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Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 16, 2021, 07:09:33
I know the Lee Power thread is there for all the takeover chat and at the risk of becoming the new Audrey I'm preparing a thread for when we get the green light from the EFL and we can get behind Mr Morfuni, the new manager, players, staff etc. We face a tough season but if the fans can come together as one, the CG with fans can be a glorious place to go and watch football.

Dare I pre-empt a Friday statement?? (And no, I am not ITK :) )


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 16, 2021, 09:14:12
The Adver via the Trust say its close.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19445328.clem-morfuni-complete-efl-fit-proper-persons-test-imminently-say-trust/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 16, 2021, 09:17:25
The Adver via the Trust say its close.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19445328.clem-morfuni-complete-efl-fit-proper-persons-test-imminently-say-trust/

That's just rehashing what was said on Talk Bollocks yesterday, this bit was more worrying

'though the transfer of shares does not appear to be close at this point'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, July 16, 2021, 09:20:28
Good to see Geoff the Ref adding to the debate


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, July 16, 2021, 09:39:14
I know the Lee Power thread is there for all the takeover chat and at the risk of becoming the new Audrey I'm preparing a thread for when we get the green light from the EFL and we can get behind Mr Morfuni, the new manager, players, staff etc. We face a tough season but if the fans can come together as one, the CG with fans can be a glorious place to go and watch football.

Dare I pre-empt a Friday statement?? (And no, I am not ITK :) )

Fucking optimist  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, July 16, 2021, 19:28:01
Maybe just for balance you should start a separate thread along the lines of EFL reject Clems application/ Clem walks away etc. Just in case!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 16, 2021, 20:22:33
Maybe just for balance you should start a separate thread along the lines of EFL reject Clems application/ Clem walks away etc. Just in case!

I think you're sitting on the perfect account to start that thread, to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 09:26:15
Fucking optimist  :D

Yeah that didn't go as well as I anticipated :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MichaelPook on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 10:27:33
MONDAY MONDAY!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 10:36:34
MONDAY MONDAY!
Lets hope its not a 'blue' one. Guess it could be a 'manic' one. But, 'I don't like mondays'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 10:52:38
Lets hope its not a 'blue' one. Guess it could be a 'manic' one. But, 'I don't like mondays'.

Tell me why.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:31:42
It will be Monday. Failing that possibly Tuesday. If not definitely Wednesday. Could be Thursday buy hey we’re all a sucker for a statement Friday right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:33:47
And it could be this week, next week, next month etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:47:00
It will be Monday. Failing that possibly Tuesday. If not definitely Wednesday. Could be Thursday buy hey we’re all a sucker for a statement Friday right?

Quite.

You'd have to be an employee of the EFL to have definitive 'knowledge' right now. Frustrating that we are seemingly at the mercy of the 9-5esque EFL office hours

If people are hearing stuff then it stems from ITKers saying 'it should' or 'we hope'.

Morfuni/Trust/STFC won't delay announcements once it's been approved and shares have been transferred. We've all suffered quite enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:50:34
Wonder when it’s all completed they have enough time to launch season tickets. Not even sure we’ve a kit lined up for next season. Guess we start next season with last seasons kit with Imagine Cruising removed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:54:48
Wonder when it’s all completed they have enough time to launch season tickets. Not even sure we’ve a kit lined up for next season. Guess we start next season with last seasons kit with Imagine Cruising removed.

Indeed, the list of things Clem has to do is lengthy and obviously will be harder to do the longer the process takes. That said I'm confident a lot of the behind the scenes legwork has already been done and will be good to go as soon as he gets the green light.

My main concern are things like Insurance and safety certificates etc that may hinder us being able to play any matches, that obviously will result in points and financial punishments. We can play in plain red t shirts as far as I'm concerned, I just want the important things ready. A manager and team would be helpful also.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:56:54
It makes you wonder who would be choosing any new manager & staff behind the scenes as you would hope someone has been doing the ground work


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 11:58:45
Luckily first 2 games are away, buys a little time to get The County Ground ready.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:00:57
Wonder when it’s all completed they have enough time to launch season tickets. Not even sure we’ve a kit lined up for next season. Guess we start next season with last seasons kit with Imagine Cruising removed.

Luckily, the non-office staff haven't stopped. They've got lots of things ready to present to Morfuni's people for whenever the time comes (some of it simply requires the signature) and this includes ST, kits, commerical etc.

The less than 3 week turnaround is insane though. Going to be an intense month for many people behind the scenes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:04:47
Luckily, the non-office staff haven't stopped. They've got lots of things ready to present to Morfuni's people for whenever the time comes (some of it simply requires the signature) and this includes ST, kits, commerical etc.

The less than 3 week turnaround is insane though. Going to be an intense month for many people behind the scenes.

Yeah as I thought. These guys, that work like trojans behind the scenes by people who are not getting paid on time etc are the real heroes of the football club. The next month as you say is going to be hellish busy for them. Legends each and every one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:07:14
In my head is a Kevin Keegan voice saying “ I’d love it, I’d just love it if we tear up this league and win promotion at the first attempt “. Couldn’t think of a better UP YOURS to Lee Power than that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:13:48
In my head is a Kevin Keegan voice saying “ I’d love it, I’d just love it if we tear up this league and win promotion at the first attempt “. Couldn’t think of a better UP YOURS to Lee Power than that.
Absolutely, what a huge "fuck off Power" statement that would be.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/753ca4af565db7b5b22e2c9cc2f8386f/tenor.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:18:39
Luckily, the non-office staff haven't stopped. They've got lots of things ready to present to Morfuni's people for whenever the time comes (some of it simply requires the signature) and this includes ST, kits, commerical etc.

The less than 3 week turnaround is insane though. Going to be an intense month for many people behind the scenes.

Just a thought about the intensity. As there will be so much to do in so little time, surely the more hands on deck we have the better? By this I mean there must be a wide range of skills or just effort available in the fanbase which could be offered to the club on a voluntary basis once the takeover is completed. In the past many fans have joined in clearing snow to get a match on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:19:27
Good shout


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:32:41
Agreed. would be happy to take time off work to help out unpaid at STFC once there is an acceptable change in ownership


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 12:38:01
Luckily, the non-office staff haven't stopped. They've got lots of things ready to present to Morfuni's people for whenever the time comes (some of it simply requires the signature) and this includes ST, kits, commerical etc.

The less than 3 week turnaround is insane though. Going to be an intense month for many people behind the scenes.

24/7 for a while I’d imagine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 13:27:25
MONDAY MONDAY!
Freedom (from Power) Day?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 18, 2021, 14:21:29
MONDAY MONDAY!

Not helpful at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Monday, July 19, 2021, 10:28:32
Just a thought about the intensity. As there will be so much to do in so little time, surely the more hands on deck we have the better? By this I mean there must be a wide range of skills or just effort available in the fanbase which could be offered to the club on a voluntary basis once the takeover is completed. In the past many fans have joined in clearing snow to get a match on.

Great shout - I'd love to be involved in something like this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, July 19, 2021, 10:56:43
Let’s hope today is the day. It’s going to be very telling quite how much is lined up and ready to go, and to me, will be a good indicator of what lies ahead with the Axis ownership.

It should be a Big Bang. New senior appointments - manager, assistant, CEO, DoF (perhaps), and crucially, a glut of players in by the end of the week (triallists, loans and perms). They key is going to be flipping what currently looks like chaos / famine, into a positive - a new, energised club pulling towards a single goal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 19, 2021, 10:58:48
Is John McGreal still out of work as he could be a quick appointment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 19, 2021, 11:14:55
Is John McGreal still out of work as he could be a quick appointment

I did wonder whether McGreal might be lined up as the new manager under a different contract. However I do also wonder whether McGreal may have been loyal to shady Lee and therefore won't work for STFC under a new ownership. Hopefully we may found out one way or another this week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 19, 2021, 11:16:45
If he did come back at least he would know what players are out there and maybe have them already lined up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, July 19, 2021, 11:19:09
If he did come back at least he would know what players are out there and maybe have them already lined up

We can probably say the same about whoever else might be lined up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 19, 2021, 11:19:26
If he did come back at least he would know what players are out there and maybe have them already lined up

Indeed, the ones that haven't signed for other clubs already that is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, July 19, 2021, 11:20:09
Let’s hope today is the day. It’s going to be very telling quite how much is lined up and ready to go, and to me, will be a good indicator of what lies ahead with the Axis ownership.

It should be a Big Bang. New senior appointments - manager, assistant, CEO, DoF (perhaps), and crucially, a glut of players in by the end of the week (triallists, loans and perms). They key is going to be flipping what currently looks like chaos / famine, into a positive - a new, energised club pulling towards a single goal.

I've not hit the panic button yet, I'm confident this is going through and plenty of important appointments and decisions will be made immediately too. 

We are behind, nobody is doubting that but assuming all monies owed to allow us to come out from our embargo are paid I think we can expect an exciting, if frantic, few weeks. 

There are without question loads of free agents we'll have missed out on but equally there are loads of players at clubs looking to leave either on loan or permanently, these players will have been training with their clubs so will be as fit as any other L2 players currently with their respective squads.

As far as tactics and unity go we will still be behind but there is still time to cobble a decent squad together, we have until 02/09 to sign attached players, unattached players can still be brought in after, there always seems to be a few released on deadline day so still a decent resource.

If we get a couple of, on paper, good L2 players we'll start to look like a promising place to be and confidence from a players perspective will rise.  We have shown consistently that we are a big club at L2 level and with the crowds coming back (fingers crossed) in a post-Power era there should be a decent atmosphere.

I'm not expecting to hit the ground running but if we are stable enough through to January then we could be in with a chance, Wellens had a good Jan in his first season and came close to flirting with the play-offs, Bolton were nowhere near going into January last season and got automatic promotion on the last day.

It'll be difficult and will take one hell of an effort to get us going but I have faith we can do it, even a mid-table finish should be seen as a success given our current position, we really need the fans onside from the get go, even if it is a tough start.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 19, 2021, 11:22:37
Of course :pint: like at school when two captains had to take it in turns picking a player to make their team up leaving players like Roland from Grange Hill last😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Monday, July 19, 2021, 14:30:31
Is John McGreal still out of work as he could be a quick appointment

Lets hope not, I'm sure Clem would like his own appointment rather than who Power appointed


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Monday, July 19, 2021, 17:45:15
If we're still in the football league this time next year then we'd have done well. Putting a side together this late is far from ideal. Not to mention whether the club will even exist or not which isn't a given.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Townend80 on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:37:40
Hearing Clem will be at the game tonight. Told been in country for last 2 days. Love to think it’s true


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:39:20
Hearing Clem will be at the game tonight. Told been in country for last 2 days. Love to think it’s true

If true that's surely positive news? I doubt he would be in the country if the takeover wasn't going to be ratified. Hopefully he is here to sign the relevant paperwork and get the business off and running.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:41:38
This isnt the case I am afraid as he cant fly outside of Aus, not until next year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:45:40
This isnt the case I am afraid as he cant fly outside of Aus, not until next year.

Thanks for the clarity. Presumably he has a representative that can do whatever is needed to be done?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:47:25
This isnt the case I am afraid as he cant fly outside of Aus, not until next year.

Why?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:48:00
Yes he has people and lawyers in the UK


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:49:34
Yes he has people and lawyers in the UK

Any idea when we will have news?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 11:54:12
Why?  :sherlock:

Not sure if your question was serious but because of Covid there is nothing going in and out of Australia. My wife's sister lives in Sydney and says Australia only has a pathetic 9% of the population vaccinated so they are beyond slow! (Like the EFL!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 13:32:39
BBC Wilts understands that Shares have been transferred. Our season begins now :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: PHIL!!!! on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 13:45:05
BBC Wilts understands that Shares have been transferred. Our season begins now :)

 :beers:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 13:45:49
 :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 13:48:46
If we don't have a manager and Chief Exec in place by 5pm Morfuni Out!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: That Nestor Lorenzo Heade on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 13:49:04
YES!!!

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19455700.swindon-town-ownership-battle-said-clem-morfuni-takes-control/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 13:49:21
So pleased.  New chapter begins.  And boy, do we need a new chapter.  The last one was rubbish.

And Lee Power - if you love the game of football, do it a massive favour, pls.  And never go near another club again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: digby on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 22:50:32
This isnt the case I am afraid as he cant fly outside of Aus, not until next year.

  :no: I met him myself at the Supermarine game, and apparently he arrived on sunday - so why the false info ? smokescreen ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 22:53:20
Fair question


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 22:55:24
  :no: I met him myself at the Supermarine game, and apparently he arrived on sunday - so why the false info ? smokescreen ?

There was work to be done - if it was known generally that he was here then it would have potentially generated a distraction to getting the job done…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 23:03:38
Better off not saying anything then rather being informative


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 23:43:31
  :no: I met him myself at the Supermarine game, and apparently he arrived on sunday - so why the false info ? smokescreen ?

Think things were on a 'need to know' basis. I wouldn't read too much into it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, July 20, 2021, 23:59:42
Think things were on a 'need to know' basis. I wouldn't read too much into it.

When’s he due on the Pod Rich?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 07:26:25
Quote from: @MacPhlea
There was work to be done - if it was known generally that he was here then it would have potentially generated a distraction to getting the job done…
How?

Either the trust board weren't told, not a great start on openness from Clem.

Or they lied/breakdown in communication. not a great start on openness from them.

to be honest it's done now. it doesn't much matter, and they did correct themselves on Twitter.

what matters is going forward. I think we need to give everyone some slack to get on with getting the job done in these first couple of months, then I'd expect to see more open communication.

hopefully some announcements today. CEO, manager etc??!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 07:56:16
How is Clem not being open - he attended a game and took questions?
I don't really care where he is at any given point in time, or who he told, that's his business and idle gossip.

What we do need is openness around the decisions made on behalf of the club and the accounts etc, not an announcement every time he has a shit.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 07:59:44
Once the new owner euphoria dies down I don't want to keep seeing him mixing with fans etc I want him quietly going about his business with regularly updates through media outlets and the odd live phone in on BBC Wilts etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 08:02:27
If he takes us forward and runs the club correctly he can run naked through Old Town with the GW Reds for all I care.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 08:08:36
Quote from: Jimmy Quinn
Once the new owner euphoria dies down I don't want to keep seeing him mixing with fans etc I want him quietly going about his business with regularly updates through media outlets and the odd live phone in on BBC Wilts etc.

he'll be in Australia a lot of the time. The CEO appointment will be key


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 08:10:26
We just need to knuckle down now and let Clem appoint the right people to take care of business!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 08:20:24
  :no: I met him myself at the Supermarine game, and apparently he arrived on sunday - so why the false info ? smokescreen ?
He has been bitten by fans here already recording bits and giving out info when they shouldn't. I imagine he genuinely didn't tell many people at all he was coming over to avoid getting hopes up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 08:51:38
How?

Either the trust board weren't told, not a great start on openness from Clem.

Or they lied/breakdown in communication. not a great start on openness from them.

to be honest it's done now. it doesn't much matter, and they did correct themselves on Twitter.

what matters is going forward. I think we need to give everyone some slack to get on with getting the job done in these first couple of months, then I'd expect to see more open communication.

hopefully some announcements today. CEO, manager etc??!

I'm sorry to pick this up (it was the first post I saw when I checked this AM and it resonated with thoughts last night) as you rightly say its over now, but why does/did Clem need to confirm his every movement with the Trust, it's not like it was some joint consortium with the Trust taking over merely they were supporting him and thus to a greater or lessor degree were ITK.

I note from SM last night there seemed to be a hell of a lot of people who knew it was happening yesterday or today, which merely came across as a bit of back covering mystic Meg sort of shenanigans 'I obviously knew what was happening I just couldn't tell you'.

Its done now, moving forward along with the process lets get a CEO and manager in place and they can start to sort out the footballing and business sides in parallel, it would be nice for Clem to formalise some manner of engagement with the Trust just to provide updates as and when but generally they need time to just get on with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 09:26:13
Agree, he needs to start as he mean to go on, will full openness and transparency which I actually believe he will, I'm hoping this goes as far as transfer fee's for e.g. as well, unless the other club don't want it out in public, but then we can be given a ball park figure.

You hope communication goes from top to bottom, so from Clem to his CeO to the new manager, even the DoF.

I don't want all communication going through the new board he is creating with the Trust and Don Rogers, I want staff to be communicating through the press, the web site, in interviews etc

It is essential that the fans feel respected and listened to, this will help the feel good factor return and will help matters on the pitch as it is going to be a season of struggle but if fans are behind the club it will help in those real tough games.

It will also help for sponsorship, I believe the club does not have a marketing dept any more so staff will need to be appointed, but if fans are behind the club then that feel good factor will spread and local companies will be more willing to put money in for sponsorship

There is also the FA & FL investigations yet to complete, we need to hope the club does not get punished by either of them, not sure when they are likely to conclude, maybe sometime after the court case is completed, although knowing how slow the FA / FL are it maybe just in time for next season.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 09:30:40
Can you imagine how much more 'IS IT DONE YET?!?! WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG?!?!' there would've been had we known he was in the country from Sunday? No harm done at all, people clutching their pearls unnecessarily...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 11:21:01
This is probably laughable but were the club still giving the option to sign up to receive official texts about news direct from the club?
Would be nice not having to trawl through social media and just receive a text straight from the koalas mouth.
Was anyone receiving texts this past year before it all hit the fan?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 11:56:12
It didn't take look for some people to look for the next thing to moan about - now it's "why didn't we know he was coming/why did the Trust lie?" - I think that answers your question right there..

I was aware of people that had been informed that he was coming in - but what benefit would it have brought to have that out in the public domain?  The fanbase was already in the reoccurring loop of "when is it happening > tomorrow > it didn't happen tomorrow, you are bullshitting ITK'er > when is it happening > it's imminent > sick of hearing it's imminent > When is it happening?"

It would have just been another case of rinse and repeat..

Just enjoy the fact that Power has gone and look forward to the next few weeks of hopefully getting our club back on track - as a fanbase we can sometimes be guilty of disecting things down to a granular level.  I get that everyone has become exhausted by the past year of no information or clarity, but let's stop for a minute, breath and enjoy talking about football again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 12:19:14
I think the point is being overblown, as I said it's what happens next that matters.

however, why bother taking the effort to refute it?

it doesn't matter much. let's move on


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 12:52:57
I miss Audrey  :( .He'd be having a field day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 12:55:03
I miss Audrey  :( .He'd be having a field day.
Or even a picnic ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 13:06:48
Maybe he's away getting that tattoo  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:19:35
When’s he due on the Pod Rich?

Haha. My focus will be on the CEO and if Clem wants to appear at any point then he'd be welcome.

For what it's worth. I got wind that Morfuni was in the country via the 'Clem Texters' sending cryptic DMs to people because they can't help themselves.

Members of the Trust, including the lads who run the socials, simply did not know that he was coming into the country.

His attendance at Supermarine could have been reliant on the EFL approval coming through etc.

Completely blown out of proportion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:28:01
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/club-statement/
There you go. It's a wonderful read. Lets hope it comes to fruition.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:32:29
Good read.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:35:18
Brilliant statement


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:35:44
I mean if you're looking for a certain sentiment in a statement from your brand new owner, that pretty much hits the nail on the fucking head.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:41:05
Well, he talks the talk. Time will tell if he walks the walk.

See: Fred Elliot re: Simon Cox http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=23492.0


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:43:23
That is a vision statement. It tells us what his vision is for the club, but it's grounded in the reality we are in - no false or wild promises. It can only be good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: harrisonaw on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:45:15
A wonderful statement - we're all behind you Clem!  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:47:58
 A statement on a Wednesday. Is he not aware of tradition? Clem out  :D  Great read and rallying cry to the fans. Onwards and hopefully upwards
 Let's make sure we pack out the CG. COYR
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trini on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:48:40
How refreshing it is to read something realistic, positive and inspiring.

This is only the start but for the first time in 15 months I’m looking forward to following the club that I’m hopelessly in love with.

Here’s hoping that the fans noe return in their droves and support a new era.

#COYRs #inClemwetrust #nomoreliesfrompower ❤️🤍❤️🤍❤️🤍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:53:12
A very positive first statement. Pulls no punches with the challenge yet is ambitious and realistic.

Let's hope things stay that way, I suspect they might. I like the cut of his gib.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ticker45 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:53:23
Quite happy with that statement, reads well at this juncture. Off we jolly well go once again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:54:52
It didn't take look for some people to look for the next thing to moan about - now it's "why didn't we know he was coming/why did the Trust lie?" - I think that answers your question right there..

I was aware of people that had been informed that he was coming in - but what benefit would it have brought to have that out in the public domain?  The fanbase was already in the reoccurring loop of "when is it happening > tomorrow > it didn't happen tomorrow, you are bullshitting ITK'er > when is it happening > it's imminent > sick of hearing it's imminent > When is it happening?"

It would have just been another case of rinse and repeat..

Just enjoy the fact that Power has gone and look forward to the next few weeks of hopefully getting our club back on track - as a fanbase we can sometimes be guilty of disecting things down to a granular level.  I get that everyone has become exhausted by the past year of no information or clarity, but let's stop for a minute, breath and enjoy talking about football again.

heres another thing to moan about. turnover is vanity profit is sanity. not sure why he brought it up in his statement

apart from that  8) got to love what he has to say and you just hope that this might be the start of something good. its going to be an exciting few weeks of news and a very busy period for the club. looking forward to a minimum top 7 challenge  :beers:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 14:59:25
If you do go in the Town End Clem, don't stand downwind of The Flash  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:05:30
It’s a good statement and presses all the right buttons for me. It’s going to take a long time and a lot of money and effort but it could be an interesting ride. Looking forward to seeing how it goes. My first season was 62/63 and have seen lots of highs and lows in that time. Hoping for another ‘high’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:06:09
Well, if he does half of that he'll be the best owner the club's ever had. The very best of luck to him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:17:10
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/club-statement/
There you go. It's a wonderful read. Lets hope it comes to fruition.

Wow, what a statement of intent that was. I love this guy already.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:18:19
Who’s Zavier Austin?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:18:43
Superb read,  at least communicating with the fans and on the face of it, it all sounds good.  Happy we're over the first hurdle, can't really see him in standing in the Town End handing out prawn sandwiches at half time but like the idea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:19:35
Who’s Zavier Austin?

He was here under Power

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13585526.town-appoint-three-new-non-executive-directors/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:23:16
Who’s Zavier Austin?

Here he is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Austin


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:24:28
Great statement of intent.  So refreshing.  Ambitious yet measured/grounded.

Club's been punching below it's weight for most of the 30 yrs I've been following it.  Handicapped by poor leadership/ownership.  We've been the poster child for badly run, lower league clubs since well before Power came on the scene.  Give us 5 to 10 yrs of stability...just doing the simple things properly & astutely, and we're going to fly.  It's time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:25:55
Wow what a statement, I am absolutely ready to fall in love with this football club all over again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:29:04
Wow what a statement, I am absolutely ready to fall in love with this football club all over again.

He’s mine I tell you, mine. Go anywhere near him you bitch and I’ll scratch your eyes out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:29:25
Clem is doing a press conference at the CG tomorrow at 4. I assume (makes an ass of u and me) with the new manager as well possibly?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:31:47
heres another thing to moan about. turnover is vanity profit is sanity. not sure why he brought it up in his statement

Yeah, I had a wry smile at it, although I suppose its shows some clout and if you have built up that sort of company from very little brag all you like.

Watch the EFL now clobber us with a points deduction....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:35:23
Clem is doing a press conference at the CG tomorrow at 4. I assume (makes an ass of u and me) with the new manager as well possibly?

Well at least his new Chief Exec. That's going to be the most important that the moment so sort out all the crap...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:36:08
Well at least his new Chief Exec. That's going to be the most important that the moment so sort out all the crap...

Yes true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:40:19
Surely the men at work classic man down under needs to be played loudly over the PA system (if that's feasibly possible at the CG) prior to kick off of home games this season?

I'm sure the Town End will also come up with some brilliant Clem inspired songs as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:46:47
Quote from: Bob's Orange
Surely the men at work classic man down under needs to be played loudly over the PA system (if that's feasibly possible at the CG) prior to kick off of home games this season?

I'm sure the Town End will also come up with some brilliant Clem inspired songs as well.

it was yesterday at Supermarine.

he did smile, no vegimite sandwich on offer though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:47:06
Well at least his new Chief Exec. That's going to be the most important that the moment so sort out all the crap...
New CEO will be announced and introduced at press conference yes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:50:44
it was yesterday at Supermarine.

he did smile, no vegimite sandwich on offer though

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 15:51:46
A fantastic statement and a bold one. Let's hope it all comes true. Love the financial transparency bit as that's where the trust will be built between club and fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:01:58
A beautiful statement.

I could be about to become a Morfuni Moonie.  Certainly a proud fan once again.

Nice to read a statement without the lies surrounding intermittent "Well Shaun"s.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:04:03
heres another thing to moan about. turnover is vanity profit is sanity. not sure why he brought it up in his statement


Agree with that completely :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:08:55
Surely the men at work classic man down under needs to be played loudly over the PA system (if that's feasibly possible at the CG) prior to kick off of home games this season?

I'm sure the Town End will also come up with some brilliant Clem inspired songs as well.

I did post yesterday that Supermarine were making him feel welcome with that song over the PA.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:28:22
Very impressed and also very impressed with the new CEO too.

A really forward thinking excellent appointment IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:34:26
Very impressed and also very impressed with the new CEO too.

A really forward thinking excellent appointment IMO.

Who is it? Didn't see it mentioned by name anywhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:41:17
Hope people's bubbles don't burst if we make a slow start on the pitch. They need to remember how little time we're going to have to prepare this campaign. We'll need to keep the faith, hold Clem to those bold promises and hope that it all comes good in the medium term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:42:27
Very impressed and also very impressed with the new CEO too.

A really forward thinking excellent appointment IMO.

It's Jeff Bezos isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:43:34
It's Jeff Bezos isn't it?

It's a woman isn't it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:45:26
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Very impressed and also very impressed with the new CEO too.

A really forward thinking excellent appointment IMO.

tease


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:48:51
Is it Bathford?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:51:17
We'll need to keep the faith, hold Clem to those bold promises and hope that it all comes good in the medium term.

Yes hold him to them, but also fans need not to be pricks about things. The first year at least is going to be constant fire fighting and there are going to be decisions which probably won't sit entirely within his laudable words.

Club and fans need to learn to love each other again, faults and all.



Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:52:56
It's a woman isn't it.

Of course!! Cheri Lunghi


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 16:55:03
Of course!! Cheri Lunghi

No, no, no.  Managers job has gone, Lynda Block.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:07:39
No, no, no.  Managers job has gone, Lynda Block.

No, surely this is the time for Sheena Easton.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:11:25
Haha. My focus will be on the CEO and if Clem wants to appear at any point then he'd be welcome.

For what it's worth. I got wind that Morfuni was in the country via the 'Clem Texters' sending cryptic DMs to people because they can't help themselves.

Members of the Trust, including the lads who run the socials, simply did not know that he was coming into the country.

His attendance at Supermarine could have been reliant on the EFL approval coming through etc.

Completely blown out of proportion.

I know some fans like the idea of having the ear of the owner, but these clem texters need to stop, there will be a lot of p'd off fans if this continues as they will inevitably leak anything he tells them like how the name of the new manager was being bandied about before the bookies had even go wind of it, I thought this had been sorted when previously he was recorded talking to fans.

Nothing against anyone who has his number and clem responds but there is a thin line between talking football and leaking private chats and info.

He is now the owner of stfc and things will be different.

This is not the first time I've heard the fans that have his number bigging themselves up (or some of them, I think there are a few).

Sorry to be a bit negative, it just annoys me a little.

Now back to the celebrations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:13:28
Today has been delightful. I wasn’t aware how much genuine stress this whole ownership saga has caused me until it became clear it’s resolved, feels like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders.

I’m perfectly happy to give Ben Garner my full support. His time at Rovers was obviously a torrid one, but he is clearly a considered choice and hopefully one that’ll fit right into the philosophy that Clem appears very keen on bringing to the club. By all accounts he’s a very highly considered coach. It goes without saying that the last time we had a ‘highly considered coach’ at the helm it turned out to be a disaster but that was working under a completely different regime, so I won’t be comparing the two going forward.

Happy happy happy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:15:09
All positive stuff so far. I've spangled a bit too much money this month on booze, powder and fanny. Reckon clem could shout me a few 100 notes to help with the rent at the end of the month? I think that would really be the statement of intent that the fans could get behind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:19:16
I think you and your dealer might have to come to an arrangement this month. I expect that SBC and the rent on the CG might take precedence before your rent gets a consideration.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:31:05
Ben can just sell some of his clothes, he doesn't always need them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:48:15
Win lose or draw that first game at The County Ground is something i cannot wait for. Turned a bit of a blind eye to everything related to the club in the past few weeks but now feel like Tom Hanks in Castaway at the end where he sits down at the table for a huge feast.

Welcome Clem and co.

"We'll keep the red flag flying high, cause Swindon Town will never die".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 17:58:47
Do we now need to learn the words to ‘Advance Australia Fare’?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:09:27
Not sure if mentioned but I hope Lee Peacock and Steve Mildenhall still have a role at the club. Maybe more understandable for Mildy as a Swindon lad but Peacs has shown a proper love for this club ever since he left.

Bit of a club legend for me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:11:39
Not sure if mentioned but I hope Lee Peacock and Steve Mildenhall still have a role at the club. Maybe more understandable for Mildy as a Swindon lad but Peacs has shown a proper love for this club ever since he left.

Bit of a club legend for me.

Mildenhall is name checked in the press release as staying as goalkeeper coach.

Peacock not mentioned, but no reason to expect he won't go back to his role with the u18s.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:14:41
The new CEO is a man who many (if not most) Town fans know, he has been introduced to staff already as the new CEO and its a very good appointment IMO, I feel almost every fan will probably be impressed with him.

I won't blow his cover by announcing it ahead the official announcement but have told a couple of people on here and I am sure it will come out before the official announcement tomorrow anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:17:21
...but Peacs has shown a proper love for this club ever since he left.

Bit of a club legend for me.

Definitely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:17:59
Devlin?

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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:30:28
If it's Wray or Fitton someone needs to make sure there is a dual signature required on cheques and contracts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:42:15
If it's Wray or Fitton someone needs to make sure there is a dual signature required on cheques and contracts.

I see 10,000 average attendance this season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 18:49:45
I've had my first glass of wine this evening, so I agree with you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:08:33
 :soapy tit wank:

When do the tickets if we're allocated any fir scunny go on sale?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:12:31
Peacock did have another job lined up so he must've bailed on it to stay here. Even more admirable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:23:40
If it's Wray or Fitton someone needs to make sure there is a dual signature required on cheques and contracts.

Wasn’t one of them deeply involved with Hungerford?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:26:32
If it's Wray or Fitton someone needs to make sure there is a dual signature required on cheques and contracts.
I always thought Fitton was ultra-conservative (some might say sensible) and it was nice guy Jeremy who spent money like confetti?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:43:06
Fitton has some good ideas, but if Reg were still around I am sure he'd have to mention how Fitton was responsible for the disbanding of the AGM and diluting the fans shareholdings, which ultimately engineered the situation to where we find ourselves today I guess.  Wray was indeed the spunk it up the wall chap, although I think Fitton did alright out of the Charlie Austin deal didn't he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:45:46
Fitton has some good ideas, but if Reg were still around I am sure he'd have to mention how Fitton was responsible for the disbanding of the AGM and diluting the fans shareholdings, which ultimately engineered the situation to where we find ourselves today I guess.  Wray was indeed the spunk it up the wall chap, although I think Fitton did alright out of the Charlie Austin deal didn't he?

I led to understand he did do ok.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:52:36
Devlin?

Sent from my SM-A125F

He’s still at Huddersfield. That would be quite a coup. Perhaps not! Nicky Hammond is out of work….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:53:16
Digby?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:54:00
Digby?

Didn’t he do Powers bidding to get the training ground?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:58:47
He's been involved with marketing and other things, I think you're right about a role in the Highworth project.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 19:59:34
Just finished playing football at Foundation Park, who walks onto the pitch to play after us? Welcome Mr Clem Morfuni.  This morning I bought a football club, this evening I am playing football.

Fair play..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:00:55
Brilliant stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:03:27
I see 10,000 average attendance this season.

I know we are all happy campers today but there is absolutely no chance of that happening




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:08:31
Was he any good at soccer though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:20:13
The new CEO is a man who many (if not most) Town fans know, he has been introduced to staff already as the new CEO and its a very good appointment IMO, I feel almost every fan will probably be impressed with him.

I won't blow his cover by announcing it ahead the official announcement but have told a couple of people on here and I am sure it will come out before the official announcement tomorrow anyway.

OK OK I've worked out who it is.

It's Neil from the Office isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:27:50
I know we are all happy campers today but there is absolutely no chance of that happening




9,999 if you don’t then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:32:29
I'll hazard a guess at the return of Nick Watkins....generally very popular with fans, a very good CEO, though challenged by the di Canio episode, an STFC man through aand through, and he has remained much involved, via the Trust, in the moves to purchase the County Ground. He would be a very safe pair of hands.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:35:06
Blimey it is like being 8 again on Christmas Eve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:35:57
I'll hazard a guess at the return of Nick Watkins....generally very popular with fans, a very good CEO, though challenged by the di Canio episode, an STFC man through aand through, and he has remained much involved, via the Trust, in the moves to purchase the County Ground. He would be a very safe pair of hands.
Mark Isaacs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:37:29
Jason Isaacs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mplanney on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 20:39:10
I'll hazard a guess at the return of Nick Watkins....generally very popular with fans, a very good CEO, though challenged by the di Canio episode, an STFC man through aand through, and he has remained much involved, via the Trust, in the moves to purchase the County Ground. He would be a very safe pair of hands.
I was just about to post the same Nick Watkins is my guess and would be an excellent appointment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:01:39
Your all miles off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:04:49
Your all miles off.

Michael Miles? He's dead, isn't he ...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:07:05
I was just about to post the same Nick Watkins is my guess and would be an excellent appointment
Would be well happy if that were the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:08:16
I can't wait for the first home game, it will be a brilliant atmosphere and my 5 year old lads first game :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:09:57
Michael Miles? He's dead, isn't he ...?
No, that was Nicholas Parsons.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:10:03
Your all miles off.

Some one who is reliable with money and can be trusted ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:11:27
Michael Miles? He's dead, isn't he ...?

Yes but you’ll have to open the box to confirm that he took the money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:16:17
Your all miles off.

It’s Lee Power isn’t it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:18:08
No, that was Nicholas Parsons.

Bong! :)

(If you're old enough to remember the Yes/No interlude)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:18:17
It’s Lee Power isn’t it?

Mrs. Lee Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:18:32
Your all miles off.

It's Miles Jupp isn't it? That's a left field appointment!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:19:14
Yes but you’ll have to open the box to confirm that he took the money.


Bong! again :)

(If you're old enough to remember the Yes/No interlude)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:19:39

Bong! again :)

(If you're old enough to remember the Yes/No interlude)

Might be 😉😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: chalkies shorts on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:19:48
Some one who is reliable with money and can be trusted ;)
Rob angus


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:21:59
Don Rogers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:22:38
It's Miles Jupp isn't it? That's a left field appointment!

I would love that, he’s hilarious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:22:51
Fuck it, the penny has just dropped. Might be worth getting someone to go to the bookies for you…

Brian Hillier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:29:40
Nick Hammond, wants to come back to club that made his career


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:32:35
To be fair he's done a good job since claiming to be a goalkeeper


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:33:04
Michael Doughty.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:44:40
Some one who is reliable with money and can be trusted ;)
Banbury hand feeding people here


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 21:45:42
soapy tit wank.

interesting appointment. very interesting


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:03:14
Banbury hand feeding people here

Either the penny has dropped or I’m massively wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:08:14
Quote from: DV Canio
Quote
Banbury hand feeding people here
Either the penny has dropped or I’m massively wrong.

name that tune


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:15:20
Was he any good at soccer though

I only saw him warming up, I didn't hang around to watch him play.  I mean, I appreciate what he has done and all that, but..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:16:30
I only saw him warming up, I didn't hang around to watch him play.  I mean, I appreciate what he has done and all that, but..

You aren’t one of the Great Western Stalkers then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:19:33
You aren’t one of the Great Western Stalkers then?

No.  However Ginginho was there and I did see him tying his shoe laces for him and giving him a rub down - make of that what you will..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:23:03
Either the penny has dropped or I’m massively wrong.

name that tune

Well assuming SR was being sincere about DOR dropping a hint - I’ve based my (probably wrong conclusion) off the fact it’s someone who can be TRUSTed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:27:48
I played this evening at foundation park and couldn’t believe it when I saw Clem on the next pitch! Way to shy to go and speak to him but what a bloke! Saw him play in goal for part and pull off a cracker of a save


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:29:34
Well assuming SR was being sincere about DOR dropping a hint - I’ve based my (probably wrong conclusion) off the fact it’s someone who can be TRUSTed?

Maaaaayyybeeeee


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:30:53
I played this evening at foundation park and couldn’t believe it when I saw Clem on the next pitch! Way to shy to go and speak to him but what a bloke! Saw him play in goal for part and pull off a cracker of a save

The only thing I noticed was he had a way better tan than anyone else out there..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:35:01
I forgot his name but this suggests the chap who is the chairman of the trust, he was with him at the Supermarine game


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:35:33
Well assuming SR was being sincere about DOR dropping a hint - I’ve based my (probably wrong conclusion) off the fact it’s someone who can be TRUSTed?
If then it is who is being hinted at, it sounds like a very interesting appointment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:36:44
Maaaaayyybeeeee

I don’t really wanna know
How you garden grows

Or

...you’re gonna be the one that saves me
Coz after all, you’re my Wonderwall

??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:39:57
I forgot his name but this suggests the chap who is the chairman of the trust, he was with him at the Supermarine game

Not the chairman, again going on what is purely guesswork on my part.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:47:33
I respect the work the Trust has done but not sure I'd be impressed with the appointment of one them. The role is so vital I would have liked it to be someone with experience in running a club at some level. No offence to members of the Trust. It seems people are hinting at what to me, seems to have been the least impressive Trust member I have seen speak. Wait and see I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:48:38
It would be quite a statement regarding openness if somebody on the Trust board was made the CEO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:52:23
There is a difference between openness and being a CEO and leading the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 22:58:25
There is a difference between openness and being a CEO and leading the club.

I said nothing about his ability to do the job. My point is that it would be quite a statement FROM CLEM about being open to go appointing a board member of the trust. Regardless of whether or not anybody thinks he's up to the job - he's still on the trust board.

And I wasn't replying to you anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 23:01:16
Also would it be the right appointment for the club when there maybe more experienced candidates out there


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 21, 2021, 23:15:59
Would they be able to stay on the Trust board*

*if the person in question is even on the trust board.

This could be a lot of hypothetical discussion over nothing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfctownenda on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 04:59:47
If the CEO is the name I’m hearing from the trust he will be very astute appointment hes been operating at director level for years, he’s a brilliant communicator and would have great connections for sponsorships and link ups with other business's.  He’s also a huge Swindon fan, I’d be happy with his appointment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 05:08:01
I'm sure the Town End will also come up with some brilliant Clem inspired songs as well.

Hopefully:

‘Owners, everybody needs good owners
With a little understanding
You can find the perfect blend
Owners, everybody needs good owners
We’ve got Morfuni, he’s Swindon’s friend’

‘Red Armyyyy, we travel up to Carlisle
Red Armyyy, we travel down to Sutton
Bringing all the noise we’re Swindon Town’

Hopefully not:

‘Cheap Aussie plumber
You’re just a cheap Aussie plumber’

Nor this one, which would have to be sung with a massive dose of hindsight:

‘Did you think we couldn’t see you coming
With your diggers and your plumber’s wrench?
You promised a lot but that was just rot
You’ve brought debt and a rotten stench’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 05:59:36
If the CEO is the name I’m hearing from the trust he will be very astute appointment hes been operating at director level for years, he’s a brilliant communicator and would have great connections for sponsorships and link ups with other business's.  He’s also a huge Swindon fan, I’d be happy with his appointment.
James Phipps?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 06:02:02
Very funny that people clearly know who the new CEO is but are still treating it like a covert signing from a Premier League club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 06:17:27
Those not happy with the appointment can always get a petition to reinstate Steve Anderson.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:01:43
I'm hoping we have a reveal video like those Mansfield ones....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:10:20
https://weareswindon.co.uk/james-phipps/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:11:58
Well, I for one don't have a clue who it could be.
I read a couple of pages back Michael Doughty named, loved the club would love to see him come back.
If anyone wants to actually say that would be very much appreciated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:12:10
Recommended to Clem via the trust.

Certainly knows how to make money. I know him and is house is huge. So if anyone wants to 'tarmac' his driveway....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:13:33
His name has been mentioned over the last few pages…. And it’s not Miles Jupp.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:15:05
As for who the new CEO if it's who I've been told it is (and I have no reason to doubt it is)

a) It's Clems businesses so its his choice, considering what he has spent and the liabilities he inherits I cannot imagine he would appoint based on sentimentality.
b) Any link to the Trust is irrelevant it the guy has the skills to do the job.
c) Considering the fractured relationships to both the fan base but also the wider community appointing a known fan with great local business links (and the business acumen to be CEO) seems quite the well thought out masterstroke.
d) having read the guys bio he has, a job in the real world, I assume issues of him having to work notice from that have been addressed in some manner?

As with manager, DoF etc, once again seems to be a considered and thoughtful appointment based on ability rather than cronyism, which makes a nice change.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:18:09
https://twitter.com/truststfc/status/1071033034315587589?s=21
My guess if it’s not Phipps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:18:29
https://weareswindon.co.uk/james-phipps/

Well if it is this fella then I would tend to agree he is a very competent man indeed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:20:59
Regardless, as with the coaching and on field staff, we get behind everyone appointed and get on with it.

Doesn't help that the name is not known, i reckon many are thinking about different people at this point.

Onwards and upwards!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:29:11
I'll be glad when it's made public who it is just to shut up the so called in the know individuals. Oooh look at me I know something but I'm not telling you. Hahahaha who gives a shit we'll all find out soon enough anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:33:38
I'll be glad when it's made public who it is just to shut up the so called in the know individuals. Oooh look at me I know something but I'm not telling you. Hahahaha who gives a shit we'll all find out soon enough anyway.

They care obviously. No doubt enjoying the smugness that comes with it.

Fwiw my guess is James Phipps based on the Trusted comment and his previous / current employment status (based on a quick google)

Not ITK and purely guessing. Just didn’t want to be the first to put the name out as it hasn’t been mentioned up to that point.

It has now multiple times


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:38:52
I don't know who it is, but I'm not saying why I don't know. So there, go me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:41:42
I am not claiming to know anything by the way i was just reading into Banburys post as thought it was cryptic. I will say one thing though is i know James Phipps relatively well and unless he goes back on his promise to never invest or work at the club he made to his wife i can't see that happening. He is a very successful businessman who wont want or do the day to day stuff answering to someone else  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:43:16
A shame you're not saying why you don't know as now you've left me not knowing why you don't know😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:44:12
I’ve had several people PM me to tell me I am wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:45:33
I’ve had several people PM me to tell me I am wrong.

But did they tell you the right answer?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:46:04
I’ve had several people PM me to tell me I am wrong.

Just in general?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:46:40
I am not claiming to know anything by the way i was just reading into Banburys post as thought it was cryptic. I will say one thing though is i know James Phipps relatively well and unless he goes back on his promise to never invest or work at the club he made to his wife i can't see that happening. He is a very successful businessman who wont want or do the day to day stuff answering to someone else  

Being the CEO is about dealing with the important stuff the chairman delegates to you and the less important stuff you delegate, however, you seem to be of the opinion that he won’t go near the club in that capacity so that is that.

We will know by lunchtime, in other words it is Christmas Day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:47:02
A shame you're not saying why you don't know as now you've left me not knowing why you don't know😀

Classic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:47:38
I'll be glad when it's made public who it is just to shut up the so called in the know individuals. Oooh look at me I know something but I'm not telling you. Hahahaha who gives a shit we'll all find out soon enough anyway.
Seconded....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:48:56
Just in general?

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:49:30
But did they tell you the right answer?

I was given the same name.
I couldn’t tell you if it’s the right answer though but assume it will be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:50:10
Just in general?

I don’t think I’ve ever been wrong on TEF before, ever in history.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:50:31
I was given the same name.
I couldn’t tell you if it’s the right answer though but assume it will be.

And if it is not you could have told us. If it is you’re now formally in the smug ITK club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:52:15
And if it is not you could have told us. If it is you’re now formally in the smug ITK club.

I’ve become everything I despise in a poster.

Wrong & smug.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:52:34
That has to be more applaudable than being in the TEF clique club😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:56:52
That is the TEF clique club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:57:13
They care obviously. No doubt enjoying the smugness that comes with it.

Fwiw my guess is James Phipps based on the Trusted comment and his previous / current employment status (based on a quick google)

Not ITK and purely guessing. Just didn’t want to be the first to put the name out as it hasn’t been mentioned up to that point.

It has now multiple times

I'm sure they do care as they are Swindon supporters. In the know usually goes like 'here's what I know but I can't tell you who told me'. Not, 'I know but I'm not telling you'. I find the latter laughable. I don't care who it is to be honest. It'll be revealed soon enough anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 07:58:31
Do the Borg shit? And if so out of what?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:00:25
Understand what you are saying Arriba, there seems to be a bit if self satisfaction going on. If someone thinks they know but is not going to suggest who it is then don't bother posting anything at all.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:01:25
I was given the same name.
I couldn’t tell you if it’s the right answer though but assume it will be.

Does the name you've been given full you with confidence?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:03:14
Does the name you've been given full you with confidence?

I literally know nothing about him other that’s what is on the Trust website

Goes without saying he hasn’t run a football club before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:04:34
Do the Borg shit? And if so out of what?


Nah, nanites innit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:05:03
Nah, nanites innit.

So, there is no such thing as a Borg Anus?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:05:32
So, there is no such thing as a Borg Anus?

I assume Bjorn has one. Certainly has enough pants to cover it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:07:01
Someone is going to crack and tell us 😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:10:13
Understand what you are saying Arriba, there seems to be a bit if self satisfaction going on. If someone thinks they know but is not going to suggest who it is then don't bother posting anything at all.



That's it. The self satisfaction that they know stuff but not telling you anything except that they know stuff. It's been the same for the takeover/manager appointment etc. Not just the CEO. I find it funny


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:10:52
So, there is no such thing as a Borg Anus?

Maybe there's an anal implant?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:10:57
I wouldn’t openly say I knew for fear of all the negative stuff that comes with disseminating info on this thread, particularly as sensitive as this. Joining the dots together it became apparent, when speaking with people I know who would have a greater understanding of the complexities of this takeover and who do not frequent this forum or generally get involved with STFC that Clem either was or would be in the U.K. before the deal was announced. By how many days I was unclear but it was blindingly obvious that a deal was close and no way could I conceive that the big man was still in Australia orchestrating this from that far. Certainly when Friday came and went I think I knew it was imminent even when someone suggested that he couldn’t leave Australia, which I thought was a horse shit comment.

You identify the the jigsaw pieces and arrange them as best you can. He didn’t look jet lagged at Supermarine I can say that much.

Anyway irrespective of who the CEO is today and who knows or do not know they would have been thoroughly vetted and more than capable for this role.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:22:06
You will all find out soon enough 😀 believe club are announcing new CEO at around 10am.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:23:19
You will all find out soon enough 😀 believe club are announcing new CEO at around 10am.

blimey! they aren't anging around are they!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:25:12
 :beers:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:26:12
You will all find out soon enough 😀 believe club are announcing new CEO at around 10am.
Congratulations on your promotion James


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:27:02
Good luck to Callum Rice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:28:15
Good luck to Callum Rice.

haha - that genuinely made me laugh!!


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:31:09
Quote
Good luck to Callum Rice.
👏👏👏👏👏

,🐮


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:33:28
Not Steve Murrall then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:33:53
Good luck to Callum Rice.

Was he the guy with the mid life crisis haircut in Jeds little gang?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: china red on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:35:24
Surely if one of the trust was CEO they would have known Clem was in country

Surely it’s Watkins again. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:35:55
Was he the guy with the mid life crisis haircut in Jeds little gang?

Yeah. Think he owned a B&B


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Processed Beats on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:36:31
I’ll go for Rob Angus based on nothing but a few rumblings here and there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:37:33
Borg Anus


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:37:50
Loathed Strangers new sponsor and Rich is the CEO


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:40:39
Yeah. Think he owned a B&B

Hotel please.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jHHvAXdow


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:41:31
haha - that genuinely made me laugh!!

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:46:10
BTW as we have appointed a DoF can we now assume that Jewell has left, it was never actually confirmed was it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:50:55
Reminds me, I must watch Spinal Tap again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:51:29
The thing i want to know is how do you go about joining this Clique that is mentioned and do you get a membership card? 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:53:10
No card, but a special tattoo.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:55:01
No card, but a special tattoo.

with 'all the things you said' enscribed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:56:56
No just ITK in chinese.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:58:00
Etched into an image of your favourite cheese.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 08:59:18
Can we stop all of this fucking "I know something you don't know" and just post the fucking name.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:00:33
Can we stop all of this fucking "I know something you don't know" and just post the fucking name.

But it has been.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shizzle on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:02:05
But it has been.
Quite a few times too


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:03:16
...and in anagram form


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:05:23
Is that tattoo scratched in using an old school compass point and indian ink, like the bad boy rebels did at school?  If so, how do i apply?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:08:32
That's it. The self satisfaction that they know stuff but not telling you anything except that they know stuff.
........... But I'm not allowed to tell you !!!!.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:12:57
It's 10.17 and nothing published.

Clem out. This is ridiculous.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:14:28
What’s refreshing (no pun intended)
I’m visiting the official site for the announcement.
I’ve not done that in years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MichaelPook on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:19:16
I think the website will get refreshed more when they have someone employed again to do it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:24:20
Welcome to the new webmaster - and the 2 Bens

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:24:25
I think the website will get refreshed more when they have someone employed again to do it

They have obviously got someone pretty good on media now, as the statements of yesterday were really well written, also someone is doing socials albeit just to point back at the website?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:27:35
They have obviously got someone pretty good on media now, as the statements of yesterday were really well written, also someone is doing socials albeit just to point back at the website?
I understand that statement had been prepared a few weeks ago so it better have been good! :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Northernred82 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:47:48
So When is the new CEO being confirmed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:49:38
Rob Angus according to one twitter post  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:53:36
So When is the new CEO being confirmed?
4pm today alongside Clem I understand is the set time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:57:30
4pm today alongside Clem I understand is the set time.
5pm was the time given for the press conference by Total Sport Swindon after an original announcement of 4pm. Questions can be submitted here: https://twitter.com/TotalSportSwin/status/1417867727570669571

No dairy based questions submitted as yet I don't think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:58:11
So When is the new CEO being confirmed?

I think the date of his acceptance into the catholic church is not relevant in this case?  :hmmm: ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: CMT82 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 09:58:28
Presser is now 5pm. Good luck to whoever it is, hardly a tough act to follow given the minimal engagement we had from the last CEO. Exciting times.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:01:10
5pm was the time given for the press conference by Total Sport Swindon after an original announcement of 4pm. Questions can be submitted here: https://twitter.com/TotalSportSwin/status/1417867727570669571

No dairy based questions submitted as yet I don't think.
Cheers, last thing I heard was 4pm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:02:35
5pm was the time given for the press conference by Total Sport Swindon after an original announcement of 4pm. Questions can be submitted here: https://twitter.com/TotalSportSwin/status/1417867727570669571

No dairy based questions submitted as yet I don't think.

I spotted favourite cheese there, the one I liked was 'If I sponsor the club will you let my cat play'?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:10:52
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/new-ceo-appointed/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:14:06
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/new-ceo-appointed/

Well, it's certainly a statement of intent for improving fan engagement, isn't it?

Easy to be cynical about it but it's certainly a positive sign. Don't know much about Rob Angus' background but there can be absolutely no doubt that he'll understand the fan's perspective.

A rare example of a footballing poacher turned gamekeeper!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:14:38
My source has been sacked.

Kick me out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:15:47
Well, it's certainly a statement of intent for improving fan engagement, isn't it?

Easy to be cynical about it but it's certainly a positive sign. Don't know much about Rob Angus' background but there can be absolutely no doubt that he'll understand the fan's perspective.

A rare example of a footballing poacher turned gamekeeper!

He's been a director at Nationwide Building Society for years. His profile picture on the NBS intranet is him standing in Real Madrid's ground, wearing a Swindon top.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:16:53
He's been a director at Nationwide Building Society for years. His profile picture on the NBS intranet is him standing in Real Madrid's ground, wearing a Swindon top.

So you're saying we should be getting loanees in from Real Madrid any day now? I reckon Isco should do a job in League Two.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:17:45
Hooray. Now the ITK ones can not tell us the players they know we're going to sign....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:18:12
Hooray. Now the ITK ones can not tell us the players they know we're going to sign....

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:19:20
He might not have experience running a football club but, other than that, he does have bags of experience in business, finance, and managing teams of people. Could be a good appointment - and one that highlights Clem's commitment to openness. The Trust would be the enemy to shady characters, but Clem's literally put one of them on the board. That makes me feel a lot more confident in him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:20:05
Hooray. Now the ITK ones can not tell us the players they know we're going to sign....

Anthony Grant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:20:30
So you're saying we should be getting loanees in from Real Madrid any day now? I reckon Isco should do a job in League Two.

My mate's brother used to have kickabouts with a very young Isco when living in Spain apparently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:20:34
Don't know anything about Rob, but having a trust board member as CEO is a positive move


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:21:12
Wow its Rob Angus, never saw that one coming. :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:22:09
Don't know anything about Rob, but having a trust board member as CEO is a positive move

Not sure if still board member but resigned as Vice Chair yesterday.

https://truststfc.tv/rob-angus/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:22:33
My mum works at Nationwide and likes him, so that'll do for me. Angus in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:28:16
Here's Rob's LinkedIn bio for anyone who is curious...

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I am an experienced Finance and Strategy Leader, with a track record of providing long term business strategies, leading and building finance teams, developing and driving key commercial programmes to ensure maximum share holder value and customer satisfaction.

Some of my stand out projects have included: Establishing and building a ‘greenfield’ Fin Tech digital business bank for Nationwide Building Society in 18 months; leading the turnaround of an underperforming and loss making business line to contributing profit of £50m within 18 months; and creating and executing the acquisition of assets from a major Bank, delivering £100m in profit for the business.

I have worked for Nationwide Building society for a number of years. During this time and due to my wide range of skills I have led multiple business lines and have been involved in some of the banks most innovative programmes. I have a solid foundation in ‘nuts and bolts’ accounting and have multiple qualifications including ACCA and CTA. My most recent roles have been focused on finance and long-term strategy in the FS sector.

Key Skills - Team Leadership, Financial Analysis, Financial Management, Cost Management, M&A, Commercial Management, Business Transformation, Agile skills, experience and mindset, Financial Reporting, Product/Proposition Marketing, Risk Management, Financial Control, Board Level Influencing and 3rd Party Stakeholder Management


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:31:00
Hooray. Now the ITK ones can not tell us the players they know we're going to sign....

 :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:37:34
Here's Rob's LinkedIn bio for anyone who is curious...


He's probably better qualified for the job than a lot of football CEOs with experience are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:39:25
It's a brilliant appointment with Clem having the fans in mind.

This feels like a dream at the moment. Let's hope it lasts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:40:10
Don't know anything about Rob, but having a trust board member as CEO is a positive move
Also the fact that he has resigned his position as a board member of TrustSTFC indicates that both Rob and the Club have a keener feel for good governance and (potential) conflicts of interest than, for example, most of our Government including its lawyers.

Long live TrustSTFC and long live STFC :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: chalkies shorts on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:40:54
Before I retired I worked for nationwide for many years. In my role I got to know most of the executives and would be aware of issues or reputations
Rob had a great reputation. Not only for being open, friendly, approachable but also his intellect. Unlike most I never heard a bad word about him.
Although no experience about being CEO in football, this bloke will learn very quickly.  A superb appointment. STFC through and through.
If the club want reingagement with the fans then they'll get it.
This bloke is the real deal.
Give him some space to bed into the role. Allow a couple of early errors and I think he will be excellent.
Given the fucking idiots Rob has had to deal with at nationwide, hell do the relationship side really well.
Great appointment by Clem and don't forget by nature, im a miserable negative cynical old git.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:41:09
It’s really all about who is pulling the strings in the background.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:47:57
Words from the man himself https://truststfc.tv/robert-angus/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:56:24
I have banked with Nationwide for over 20 years and never had an issue with my current or savings account. Angus IN!

Seriously though - reading Rob's bio, what a great appointment. A wealth of relevant experience (those accounting skills are going to be tested over the coming weeks) and an STFC fan with a vision of a sustainable community club. :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bewster on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:57:42
I worked with Rob at Nationwide also, as already stated he is the real deal and a brilliant bloke too.

This appointment is up there with the best appointments we have made (not that we have a great track record) ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 10:59:13
This is all really happening, isn't it?  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:00:23
Got to be a chance of Nationwide returning as chief sponsor, you would think. Not just because of the obvious connection, but because it would be a good time for them to seek to ride the wave of optimism that will be around the club for a while, at least.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:00:35
a very interesting appointment

'one of us' as CEO. A bloody difficult job but at least he's stfc through and through

obviously he can't be 'one of us' as closely now.

a very positive appointment. going to be a steep learning curve is my only worry. But I don't know the guy, he may lap it up
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edit: great to hear Chalkies!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Chunkyhair on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:02:01
Looks excellent move.

One question, probably a stupid one - is he quitting Nationwide, or is CEO kinda extra-curricula/part time (I would have thought it needs to be FT given the shit that needs sorting)?

Notwithstanding, for the first time since probably the Pox game last year I am starting to feel better or even good about the club. All the noises seem incredibly positive and genuine (and the Aussie seems to be able string three words together without saying “well, yeah, no”).

The future is bright


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:05:26
One question, probably a stupid one - is he quitting Nationwide, or is CEO kinda extra-curricula/part time (I would have thought it needs to be FT given the shit that needs sorting)?


He has left Nationwide. I believe that was being sorted yesterday, and that was why it didn't get announced until today


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Chunkyhair on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:07:24
He has left Nationwide. I believe that was being sorted yesterday, and that was why it didn't get announced until today

Cheers - and good to hear.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:08:35
Wonder if he is taking a paycut. Probably on good whack on nationwide. CEO at a football club doesn't offer the best security!

Hats off to him. Bet his dreams have come true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:14:38
Interesting appointment, my concern is the zero experience of running a football club which is totally different the finance world, it will certainly be a tough job.

Now the appointments are done, I find we have no one with experience of dealing with other clubs on football matters, especially transfers, while in the short term it is not really any issue but in the longer term a bit of experience does help so other clubs with more experience do not take advantage, even down to arranging loans and who pays what etc is negotiation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:18:20
I find we have no one with experience of dealing with other clubs on football matters, especially transfers, while in the short

Except for the DOF, you mean?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:18:27
I don't imagine many football club CEOs have much experience at FCs when first appointed to their roles?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:20:02
Rob is amazing guys, the Trusts loss is STFCs gain. He has alot of experience over the last 3 years in getting the GG purchase to a point of signing and has learnt an awful lot a out how football clubs operate over these years and add that to his business acumen and finance experience at board level he is the perfect candidate, he loves STFC so add that in. Really wonderful appointment  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: sir windon on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:23:47
Such a good feeling about things at long last.

LESS POWER. MOR(E) FUN(I)!!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:26:27
Except for the DOF, you mean?


He was working as a scout - 2 different types of jobs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:27:21
Rob is amazing guys, the Trusts loss is STFCs gain. He has alot of experience over the last 3 years in getting the GG purchase to a point of signing and has learnt an awful lot a out how football clubs operate over these years and add that to his business acumen and finance experience at board level he is the perfect candidate, he loves STFC so add that in. Really wonderful appointment  

Great reference.
Should provide a bridge to the Supporters that has been drastically missing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:28:51
Nick Watkins had no football club experience when he came did he? He worked out alright.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:30:03
He was working as a scout - 2 different types of jobs

I don't know the ins and outs of scouting but I imagine there are elements of having to be involved with other football clubs. Or do they literally go back to headquarters and say 'these guys look good, maybe you should give Jim Bob at XXXXX FC a call to see if he's available, what price etc'?

I've literally no idea how it works but I imagine Chorley has a bit more involvement than you give credit for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:35:57
Football experience is less important than business experience with the position i feel.  The club has been crying out to be run as a business rather than having a Mafia boardroom which is what we have seen over the past few years.

Let Rob focus on the business with Clem, leave the Ben's and the coaching staff to focus on the pitch, with Chorley being the conduit between upstairs and downstairs.

Should work well and is well overdue at Swindon Town FC


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:37:10
I think you're right


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 11:44:07
He was working as a scout - 2 different types of jobs

Quote
I have known Ben Chorley for 5 years. Ben had a long successful career as a player and is incredibly knowledgeable about football and has a great knowledge on players. When I came to the club, it didn’t have a head of recruitment or chief scout which I thought was completely wrong. The most important part of building a successful team is recruiting the right players. Ben was actively involved in the recruitment for a couple of years at the club and helped the club make some excellent signings over that period


https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/new-director-of-football-and-head-coach-appointed/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:03:30
Football experience is less important than business experience with the position i feel.  The club has been crying out to be run as a business rather than having a Mafia boardroom which is what we have seen over the past few years.

Let Rob focus on the business with Clem, leave the Ben's and the coaching staff to focus on the pitch, with Chorley being the conduit between upstairs and downstairs.

Should work well and is well overdue at Swindon Town FC
This is my view as well. Surround yourself with the right people to run the football and commercial side etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: michael on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:08:29
It is a very astute appointment by Clem. Good luck Rob!

Every single one of the new appointments is going to be working in sub-optimal conditions from the start, have to remember that. Good to have some optimism back, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:13:44
It will be interesting to see how long the current goodwill on social media lasts if the season starts with a sustained run of bad results.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MichaelPook on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:15:36
Superb appointment - we are BACK!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:19:23
Before I retired I worked for nationwide for many years. In my role I got to know most of the executives and would be aware of issues or reputations
Rob had a great reputation. Not only for being open, friendly, approachable but also his intellect. Unlike most I never heard a bad word about him.
Although no experience about being CEO in football, this bloke will learn very quickly.  A superb appointment. STFC through and through.
If the club want reingagement with the fans then they'll get it.
This bloke is the real deal.
Give him some space to bed into the role. Allow a couple of early errors and I think he will be excellent.
Given the fucking idiots Rob has had to deal with at nationwide, hell do the relationship side really well.
Great appointment by Clem and don't forget by nature, im a miserable negative cynical old git.

Wow, colour me impressed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:19:58
It will be interesting to see how long the current goodwill on social media lasts if the season starts with a sustained run of bad results.

Surely must should realise we’re going to be pretty bad until November time. After that hopefully fitness and team bonding and we can climb the league


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:31:59
Nobody is expecting a good season. Are they? Staying in the efl and sorting the shit out left by Power is the hope I would have thought


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:35:26
Nobody is expecting a good season. Are they? Staying in the efl and sorting the shit out left by Power is the hope I would have thought

You're probably right, but we have until the end of August to assemble our squad.  Why not ride the feel good factor? Today it's July and sunny, so I'm optimistic.  They may change, but for now I'm looking upwards.:-)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:37:47
The hasn't run a football club bit doesn't concern me.  He's a well-regarded senior Finance professional.  Background may be in FS, but his time at the Trust will have given him a great window on the football world.  He will adapt.  I've taken my own Finance skill set from one industry sector to another several times in the last 10 yrs or so, so I know it can be done.  He'll be fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: chalkies shorts on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:40:48
Got a text from someone quite senior at nationwide who worked with Rob saying what a great appointment it is.
Also had a text from a rovers fan mate laughing their cock off about garner.
Time will tell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:45:15
You're probably right, but we have until the end of August to assemble our squad.  Why not ride the feel good factor? Today it's July and sunny, so I'm optimistic.  They may change, but for now I'm looking upwards.:-)
Donkey - That was me in optimistic mode  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:46:03
the Rovers fans I've talked to make Garner sound very Luke Williams.

But they also had a 'director of transfers' (!) above him.

I'm sure we'll make our own mind up over time


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:48:45
Nobody is expecting a good season. Are they? Staying in the efl and sorting the shit out left by Power is the hope I would have thought

I doubt anybody's expecting a 'good' season.

I expect a slow start, only for things to improve once the team catches up in terms of cohesion etc. It would be unfair on the gaffer for us to expect promotion this season, but I do expect to see that he's the man for the job next season.

I've been reading the Bristol Rovers forum and a few seem to think things were starting to come together for him before whatever happened to change it all. He might just be one of those who needs time and he's fortunate here in a sense that fans are likely to be patient for a while considering the circumstances.

But that patience won't be infinite, and neither should it be. I don't know where the line should be drawn, there's too many variables, but hopefully we won't find out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:50:53
The hasn't run a football club bit doesn't concern me.  He's a well-regarded senior Finance professional.  Background may be in FS, but his time at the Trust will have given him a great window on the football world.  He will adapt.  I've taken my own Finance skill set from one industry sector to another several times in the last 10 yrs or so, so I know it can be done.  He'll be fine.

You must be seething you didn't get the call.  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:52:34
Sounds very encouraging. He’s clearly a very well respected and talented individual, and have no doubt he has the skills to succeed based on his career to date

His biggest challenge may well be the fact that he is a long standing fan, and can’t let that interfere in his ability to make tough decisions. Don’t go full Jeremy Wray (although seeing as he’s an accountant I doubt he would!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:56:05
Donkey - That was me in optimistic mode  :D

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:57:49
I estimate that the goodwill will have evaporated by Sunday 12 September 2021.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wormholes of Time on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 12:59:07
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:01:02
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.

Love it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:03:02
Was initially concerned about whether Rob has the experience for the role despite his track record in finance, but the more I think about it, the more excited I am about the combination of a fan-run club à la Exeter etc with the huge boost to community engagement that brings, but with the financial backing of an apparently genuine benefactor.

I have Pompey friends who were sad when their Trust had to sell to Eisner in order to compete longer-term. They can only dream of being allowed this far back into the running of their club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:04:05
I estimate that the goodwill will have evaporated by Sunday 12 September 2021.

Nah, we always batter Port Vale at home  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:04:30
You must be seething you didn't get the call.  :D

Nope!  🙂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:05:27
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.

Miss Reg.  Wish he'd been around to see this.  And comment!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:06:41
Miss Reg.  Wish he'd been around to see this.  And comment!

At least we have a reasonably experienced right back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:10:21
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.

I love having Reg here in spirit. However he'd surely also find negative aspects in the situation, for instance in the empowerment of the workers only being enabled through the munificence of a capitalist financier. This may be Cadbury-style benefaction, but it isn't seizing the means of production.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:16:41
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.

Strong reference… my dissertation was on the Swing riots!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: hefty toe on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:19:23
Can't imagine Reg would have been a fan of Ben Garner's appointment. He seemed to prefer a more pragmatic type.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:23:42
Talking of old posters, I reckon there may be an appearance by an old favourite pretty soon!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:25:45
Talking of old posters, I reckon there may be an appearance by an AUD favourite pretty soon!

 :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:26:29
:hmmm:

very well done sir!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:27:30
Apologies to all for going off on one ( or 2 or 3), a couple of weeks away and with things now settled I hope I can behave myself.

Anyway, I still see our resident dullard hasn’t managed to post one single positive comment on the events of the past couple of days. How he must hate it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:29:37
Yay! He's back.

We've missed you (and your occasional strops)  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:30:36
Apologies to all for going off on one ( or 2 or 3), a couple of weeks away and with things now settled I hope I can behave myself.

Anyway, I still see our resident dullard hasn’t managed to post one single positive comment on the events of the past couple of days. How he must hate it!

Good to see you back sir. Things are looking much more positive since you went away :)

Any player signing rumours?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:36:42
Welcome back Aud


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:37:03
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.

Great post! Pure 'Reg'.

He would have been frowning on this week's outbreak of optimism and urging a much more cautious approach from the fanbase.  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:39:11
Reg infected everyone before passing, that much is evident.  Talk of saving our status as a Football league club being the target for the season!

Garner would have rubbed him up the wrong way I imagine, and talk of developing the youth - not that he'd have been against it as such, more that it would not be how you get our of League two at the right end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:46:12
Reg would have constructed a correlation between league position and takeover based on past history to predict where we would finish in Div 4


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Moss on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 13:50:32
Reg would have constructed a correlation between league position and takeover based on past history to predict where we would finish in Div 4

We have never been promoted with an Antipodean owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:00:48
Apologies to all for going off on one ( or 2 or 3), a couple of weeks away and with things now settled I hope I can behave myself.

Anyway, I still see our resident dullard hasn’t managed to post one single positive comment on the events of the past couple of days. How he must hate it!

It hadn’t gone unnoticed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:01:24
I will be interested to see what's happening kit wise . I assume the away kit will be yellow with green shorts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:04:57
As it stands, we could be bringing a whole new meaning to the term "football strip".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:08:15
I say this every year but I would complete love a bespoke designed in house Swindon Town shirt which isn’t a copy & paste template job loads of other clubs either had the previous season or will also have this season.

I assume that it doesn’t make much sense logistically or financially but I’m no artist or designer but I reckon I could come up with the best home kit we’ve had in 10 years in 10 minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:11:00
But the dgi kit was in house wasn't it ?  Not a great precedent if so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:11:59
I say this every year but I would complete love a bespoke designed in house Swindon Town shirt which isn’t a copy & paste template job loads of other clubs either had the previous season or will also have this season.

I assume that it doesn’t make much sense logistically or financially but I’m no artist or designer but I reckon I could come up with the best home kit we’ve had in 10 years in 10 minutes.

Get some potato shapes and a few 5 year olds and we can go retro


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:13:28
yay, Audrey is back.

you've not missed much :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:14:29
Is JBZ now being a parody of himself?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:15:10
Is JBZ now being a parody of himself?

Eh?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:15:31
Is JBZ now being a parody of himself?

Poor cunt isn't even getting any bites. Makes you wonder why he bothers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:17:22
Poor cunt isn't even getting any bites. Makes you wonder why he bothers.

What bites? I am not sure I understand. No post today seeks a bite


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:19:19
Poor cunt isn't even getting any bites. Makes you wonder why he bothers.

I wonder if he is 'Tony Roll' on twitter if you have seen what he says on that platform?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:24:31
The communication is shit, we have not had a statement for 4 sodding hours!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:26:20
Eh?

Sorry, I see yellow shirt and automatically switch to Oxford hate :). Thought you were on a wind up

I will be interested to see what's happening kit wise . I assume the away kit will be yellow with green shorts

yeah yeah, Aussie. Slow reader here


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:27:33
Sorry, I see yellow shirt and automatically switch to Oxford hate :). Thought you were on a wind up

yeah yeah, Aussie. Slow reader here

Green and gold of our antipodean friends, yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 14:38:32
Good to see you back sir. Things are looking much more positive since you went away :)

Any player signing rumours?
It would seem appropriate to announce a couple later on at the news conference. McKirdy, Tavares, Grant.

No sign of either Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman or Grounds, then. Not that I’m bothered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:28:54
Here’s one for the stato buffs. Notwithstanding our Div2 status but would we be the first club to be promoted, relegated and promoted from outside the top tier in consecutive seasons?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:33:56
Rotherham and P'boro may have done it fairly recently?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:36:20
It would seem appropriate to announce a couple later on at the news conference. McKirdy, Tavares, Grant.

No sign of either Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman or Grounds, then. Not that I’m bothered.

Last night's OSC panel indicated that Grounds may have been isolating, while BP exercised his right not to train with the club after he wasn't paid. I somehow doubt he'll be back now, but I could be wrong. Grounds may be shorter of options.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:39:10
Was Grounds isolating all season?, explains a lot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: chalkies shorts on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:45:52
Here’s one for the stato buffs. Notwithstanding our Div2 status but would we be the first club to be promoted, relegated and promoted from outside the top tier in consecutive seasons?
Doncaster possibly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:46:41
Apparently Clem is being interviewed live on Sky Sports in the next hour.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:48:16
Apparently Clem is being interviewed live on Sky Sports in the next hour.

Excellent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:50:50
Here’s one for the stato buffs. Notwithstanding our Div2 status but would we be the first club to be promoted, relegated and promoted from outside the top tier in consecutive seasons?
  Christ,  must have taken you days to think that one up !!.   


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:52:09
Does anyone know if there is anywhere to watch the Press Conference? Conscious you can listen on BBC Sounds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:54:18
Does anyone know if there is anywhere to watch to Press Conference? Conscious you can listen on BBC Sounds.

Not aware of any live stream unfortunetly


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:54:25
Does anyone know if there is anywhere to watch to Press Conference? Conscious you can listen on BBC Sounds.
I don't think so but as you say it is on BBC Wilts live to listen to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:54:49
Apparently Clem is being interviewed live on Sky Sports in the next hour.
Just turned on and caught the last 20 seconds of it  :doh:

Sky normally repeat things ad infinitum though...probably be on about 30 times between now and 6.00 tomorrow morning...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:57:00
Here’s one for the stato buffs. Notwithstanding our Div2 status but would we be the first club to be promoted, relegated and promoted from outside the top tier in consecutive seasons?

Tranmere?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:57:38
 Christ,  must have taken you days to think that one up !!.  

Errr, no. About two minutes actually, after my son engaged me In conversation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:04:51
Hodgetts really isn't very good is he.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:12:07
Hodgetts really isn't very good is he.....

He really struggles on any question that is not 'on the pitch' related


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:19:43
Garner speaks well, they seem to really carefully putting the coaching team together.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:24:02
Fuck football, what is his fucking favourite cheese FFS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:25:35
I enjoyed that. Clem knows his limitations it seems at things like this and was brave enough to put himself out there on all those interviews not long back.

Rob Angus will be the main guy we hear from and he spoke excellently. I genuinely hope it works out for Rob.

Would love to know if A Grant was training today. I'm guessing all the guys on trial these past couple of weeks have been spotted from the new regime? which bodes well.
 
Excellent to hear nearly all their targets are still available and in many ways, if the money is there, we're a more attractive proposition now than the day we got relegated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:31:51
Would love to know if A Grant was training today. I'm guessing all the guys on trial these past couple of weeks have been spotted from the new regime? which bodes well.
Grant was indeed at training again today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:32:22
Grant was indeed at training again today.

Thanking you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:34:32
Had been waiting to hear something about the 'umbongo'.  This just came up on the Adver timeline:

"5:32pm
Clem says he will have to put "quite a bit" of money into the club to sort things out.

Angus says club is working as fast as possible to clear first part of transfer embargo issues - in terms of unpaid debts etc.

The second part of the embargo is to do with the club taking the hardship fund. That may take slightly longer, but the first section is the priority to give Garner and Chorley chance to strengthen the team and help Town survive in League Two."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:35:15
I know it’s probably all the excitement of the last few days going to my head. But Wollacott, Hunt, Baudry, Conroy, Iandolo, Lyden, Payne and potentially Grant isn’t a bad starting point for a first XI.
5 of them won this league just over 12 months ago. Fuck staying up, we can be in and around the play offs!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:39:25
What's going on with Pitman? he's still contracted to us right? or did we breach that contract by not paying him?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:40:25
What they are saying to the media about staying up being the ambition, is probably way different to what hey are saying on the training ground. Lower expectation, relieve pressure.

Tbf, Payne said he’d stay if he thought we’d be challenging. That will be a good pointer, I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 16:41:35
What's going on with Pitman? he's still contracted to us right? or did we breach that contract by not paying him?
There was a cryptic comment from Garner on the Pitman and Grounds situation...."we are contacting the EFL about it".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:02:54
All positive stuff, its great to hear how they are improving the medical and science depts, its always things like this that helps attract players.

I'm sure the players are being told this seasons ambition but are also being told the longer terms aims, so they know it may be a hard season but hang in there and be part of the joy ride in helping to improve on the pitch


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:04:02
Quote from: Peter Venkman
There was a cryptic comment from Garner on the Pitman and Grounds situation...."we are contacting the EFL about it".

I missed that. interesting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:07:30
Has there been any mention yet about Lyden going off the other day?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:08:53
Haven't listened to Hodgetts much, was he such a negative chippy sod with power?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:13:26
Led to believe that Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman refused to come back to the club until.he was paid. Grounds was self isolating but he should have returned and he hasn't
Suspect they want to speak to EFL in order to see where the club stands given their non return.
Believe the issue with Lyden was down to feeling a tight hamstring


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:15:06
There was a cryptic comment from Garner on the Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman and Grounds situation...."we are contacting the EFL about it".

I think what that meant is finding out whether the contract options the club exercised (Grounds? Why?) were still valid - I don't know if the players had a say in whether they could accept or reject the extensions, or whether the club's failure to pay them and their withdrawal of labour meant they were invalidated anyway. I think that's what they're trying to unravel now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:15:50
Has there been any mention yet about Lyden going off the other day?

I’m sure I read he felt tight, so wasn’t worth risking it, should be okay for Saturday?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:31:48
I think what that meant is finding out whether the contract options the club exercised (Grounds? Why?) were still valid - I don't know if the players had a say in whether they could accept or reject the extensions, or whether the club's failure to pay them and their withdrawal of labour meant they were invalidated anyway. I think that's what they're trying to unravel now.

If they don't want to come back then thats fine, let them drift of to NL


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:41:52
Is JBZ now being a parody of himself?

I think somebody has hacked JBZ's account, he seems way too positive


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:45:10
Listened today. Liked what I heard. It seems clear to me that Morfuni just won’t get involved in the day to day, which is fine, and he’ll leave that to the others - rightly so. I got the feeling he’s along for the ride, and hopefully some ground development. Garner spoke well. As did Rob Angus. We’re now a fan led club. Who’d have bet on that when the orange hats were out!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 17:58:28
I think somebody has hacked JBZ's account, he seems way too positive

I thought that the suggestion that the away kit should pay homage to Australia was on brand, yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wormholes of Time on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 19:15:43
The last time I had a season ticket was in the Premier League season and I gave it to Reg gratis after watching us lose 5-0 at home to Liverpool on my birthday. But I think I'm going to get one this season. As I write this, I have, opposite me, Reg's collection of Victorian pennies and entrance tickets for STFC v Roma, 10th September 1969; League Cup v Burnley 4th December 1968, and the replay v Burnley.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 21:27:36
Whenever I go to Pattaya, there's always STFC news when I get back.

Guess where I'm going tomorrow? (I'll give you a clue - it's Pattaya)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: digby on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 22:14:37
Anyone know where i can get a link to the press conference plz - i tried wiltshire radio site but couldnt find a link !


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: digby on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 22:20:30
Found it !  :nod:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 22:21:42
Found it !  :nod:

Link?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Christy on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 22:30:29
I've just remembered something that my old mate, Reg, would have remembered: St Clem is the patron saint of blacksmiths. St Clem was the name on the lips of Wiltshire agricultural rioters in the Captain Swing riots of 1830. I shall have a drink tonight, courtesy of the Radical Stroud Reg Smeeton Memorial Cup, and toast St Clem. This is, as Reg would say, a very good rune.
This is a beautiful testament to friendship, and clearly a friendship so deep that you could countenance Reg considering the runes ‘very good’.

For the TEF, I suspect his optimism would have been tempered somewhat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Thursday, July 22, 2021, 23:21:07
Haven't listened to Hodgetts much, was he such a negative chippy sod with power?

Sent from my SM-A125F

No, and that was poor, really time for him to be put out to pasture. The Loathed Stranger Crew and Vic's 'On The Sofa's' have shown him up for the out of date dinosaur he is. He was dreadful today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, July 23, 2021, 00:29:43
After relinquishing our 3 season tickets in Row R of the DR after the play off with PNE we have decided to renew two adult ST for the coming season as soon as they become available to new applications. We hadn’t abandoned the club, no way could we ever do that but the uptake of games began to gather pace during Wellens tenure (as well as away games) and we really thought we were going places. Sadly last season showed up how the structure of the club was built on sand as if we didn’t kind of know that already.

Like most of you I’m sure, we’re so excited about how things have panned out this week and you know what, if it all goes pear shaped on the pitch due to the mountain we have to climb and we get relegated to the NL we’ll still have two ST for that campaign too!

We are on a journey that has the potential to eclipse the ride and rise up the leagues we had when Lou took us to consecutive promotions which Ozzie and Glen then continued to the premiership, oh with an improved ground to boot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 23, 2021, 04:52:36
What's going on with Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman, Brett Brett, Brett, Brett, Brett Pitman, Brett Pitman? he's still contracted to us right? or did we breach that contract by not paying him?
Oi tink e be off to them thar Rovers to the west.

I’d imagine he’s the polar opposite of what Garner wants.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, July 23, 2021, 07:12:11
No, and that was poor, really time for him to be put out to pasture. The Loathed Stranger Crew and Vic's 'On The Sofa's' have shown him up for the out of date dinosaur he is. He was dreadful today.

Really odd wasn’t it. So out of touch with the mood of fans. Ready to remind Garner of his past failings. No sense of the relief and optimism no just on here but anywhere you look. Time for a new front man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Friday, July 23, 2021, 07:27:37
I actually really enjoyed listening to Garners answers on his time at Rovers. Andrew Hawes went either deeper with the questions and it made a really interesting interview. The talk of the town is worth a listen for all the interviews


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 23, 2021, 07:39:27
Talk of the Town:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09pzxt5


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 23, 2021, 07:47:02
No, and that was poor, really time for him to be put out to pasture. The Loathed Stranger Crew and Vic's 'On The Sofa's' have shown him up for the out of date dinosaur he is. He was dreadful today.

BBC Wilts need to be rid of Hodgetts. He has no clue. So out of touch. Sheridan’esque.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 23, 2021, 07:56:25
I couldn't find the Hodgett's interview - Is it still available?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:19:42
Shaun Hodgetts seems to have become the new TEF punch bag...there had to be one with Power out of the picture I suppose...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:24:00
Bring back Brunel FM


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:24:36
Shaun Hodgetts seems to have become the new TEF punch bag...there had to be one with Power out of the picture I suppose...

I hope he reads the forum and has insight


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:29:14
I think he is probably taking the brunt for the BBC on the whole to be honest. They have been absolutely terrible the last 6 months through this


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:42:56
Nah. Disdain for his public journalistic efforts have been simmering for some time.

BBC can report facts and there was plenty of that in recent weeks.

BBC Wiltshire Sport did the absolute minimum compared to other departments within their organisation and beyond. BBC South's explanation of the situation would have been a good start, they even got Fjortoft involved.

Thank goodness that, when we were seemingly on our knees, Wilts Sport had a lovely chat about Euro 2020 links to Swindon Town.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, July 23, 2021, 08:52:47
Compare Shaun Hodgetts questions during the press conference to Andrew Hawes' afterwards, totally chalk and cheese.

I don't think it is anyone 'picking' on Shaun just his journalistic style hasn't moved with the times.

I'm looking forward to when there is a Loathed Stranger podcast with the new incumbants though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:12:47
A new beginning of sorts coming up for the fans that's for sure.
But has there actually been any official word from the EFL that restriction free attendance for home & away fans will be good to go?
It will be good to experience the non socially distanced wait to get out of the upper reaches of the DRS again.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:36:34
I've previously thought Hodgetts got a lot of undeserved stick.

I know the BBC has to be impartial. But to my mind  what's looks like a considered editorial policy to ignore the situation and only relay the Power side (at request?) has really fucked me off.

I get he has to protect the BBC commentary rights. But he also has to do his job. Scared of losing his 'understands' special relationship (or his kneecaps)?

I am not expecting him to be 'with us', but I do expect him to as equally be  'with them'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:40:42
I've previously thought Hodgetts got a lot of undeserved stick.

I know the BBC has to be impartial. But to my mind  what's looks like a considered editorial policy to ignore the situation and only relay the Power side (at request?) has really fucked me off.

I get he has to protect the BBC commentary rights. But he also has to do his job. Scared of losing his 'understands' special relationship (or his kneecaps)?

I am not expecting him to be 'with us', but I do expect him to as equally be  'with them'.

Funnily enough I was going to also mention the special relationship with journo Alan Nixon. I see he has literally just tweeted 'couple leaving' which I suspect are BP to the Greggs tasting factory and JG to the glue factory. I've asked him about incoming but I imagine now his mouthpiece has gone won't respond.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 09:42:52
yeah PPP and Grounds to be sure

Nixon I don't care as much. National press that in a normal season most people will flick over

BBC Wilts are supposed to be a local community radio


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:03:14
I think he is probably taking the brunt for the BBC on the whole to be honest. They have been absolutely terrible the last 6 months through this

I'm not so sure, the whole point of BBC is to be impartial and give both sides a fair hearing. If you compare and contrast Hodgetts first interview with Clem to his last with Power there is no comparison.

Clem actually got a grilling, which is as it should be. Power was just allowed to talk utter contradictory nonsense, with no scrutiny. I know why, because Hodgetts was worried about losing all his 'BBC Wiltshire Sport understands' exclusives. But it's still not how the BBC should behave.

Hopefully new lot will give all local media access rather than just have one favoured pet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:05:35
indeed.

though I do think the BBC is the best medium for Comms


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:13:55
We need a Shaun Hodgetts thread. 200+ pages until he finally leaves BBC Wiltshire.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:13:56
I used to stick up for Hodgetts.

Used to...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:31:36
indeed.

though I do think the BBC is the best medium for Comms

I agree to a point, it's certainly best for local, non-social media using fans. But I would personally like to see the in house comms doing more of the news dropping. Then the rest of the outlets can take it from there. Rather than everything getting leaked to one source and then appearing on official club channels.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:31:47
the Official Supporters club have tweeted that they are looking for 20 volunteers to tart up the CG on Monday from 9am. I know some on here that are Swindon based said that they would help out so thought I would mention it here. I'll try and find the link to the form that needs to be completed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:32:36
Tarted up?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:41:51
Tarted up?  :sherlock:

Sweeping, tidying, cleaning, washing seats etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:42:23
Hi guys if anyone can help on monday then please complete this form
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfEIecjtC2a1lRY5vgYY3pWvejyevfST0PXrm_HQM5smhdB0Q/viewform

Cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:45:09
would love to but... work


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 10:49:05
^ this


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:05:57
How big are his hands FFS? (Maybe a distorted image?)

(https://i.imgur.com/tpJZgx9.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:10:05
Do we need a keeper?   :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:10:42
Australians need big hands to hold their 'that's not a knife, this is a knife' knives


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:11:45
You great galah batch  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:06:40
I've previously thought Hodgetts got a lot of undeserved stick.

I know the BBC has to be impartial. But to my mind  what's looks like a considered editorial policy to ignore the situation and only relay the Power side (at request?) has really fucked me off.

I get he has to protect the BBC commentary rights. But he also has to do his job. Scared of losing his 'understands' special relationship (or his kneecaps)?

I am not expecting him to be 'with us', but I do expect him to as equally be  'with them'.

I don't know Shaun personally but Power had a habit of blocking anyone that crossed him media wise... Hodgett's was walking on eggshells... he's not an 'investigative journo' with eyes only on the issues and had to balance our plight with ensuring Power didn't break all ties with the media considering they had to deliver match day commentary


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:19:19
Nah. Disdain for his public journalistic efforts have been simmering for some time.

BBC can report facts and there was plenty of that in recent weeks.

BBC Wiltshire Sport did the absolute minimum compared to other departments within their organisation and beyond. BBC South's explanation of the situation would have been a good start, they even got Fjortoft involved.

Thank goodness that, when we were seemingly on our knees, Wilts Sport had a lovely chat about Euro 2020 links to Swindon Town.
Interesting comments re. Shaun and BBC Wilts... I must admit, I've probably not listened to their coverage for 9 months or more until this week... I was doing my best to block out all things STFC related. Wonder what the deal was with him and Power then?🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:20:26
He didn’t want to be the next Moosehead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:33:40
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
He didn’t want to be the next Moosehead.

heads, shoulders, toes, toes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:37:10
[quote="@MacPhlea]I don't know Shaun but Power had a habit of blocking anyone that crossed him media wise... Hodgett's was walking on eggshells... he's not an 'investigative journo' with eyes only on the issues and had to balance our plight with ensuring Power didn't break all ties with the media considering they had to deliver match day commentary [/quote]

I get that in part. but even to the extent of only retweeting club communication while ignoring the other side?

also holding a fans phone in at short notice to conflict with the OSC.

I know I'm not the only one to notice that.

But what's done is done. as I say, the BBC is still very important for the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:50:13
Interesting to read the article in the adver about season tickets, Rob did mention they were looking at what to do about last season’s tickets, and their target was to get us up to 6000


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:08:50
Interesting to read the article in the adver about season tickets, Rob did mention they were looking at what to do about last season’s tickets, and their target was to get us up to 6000


Hmm, Fitton was the last one to drop prices in a similar attempt to boost numbers, and he ended up disappointed in the takeup. Wonder if the new regime will generate sufficient goodwill to get there - it would be quite an achievement. What's the current level? About 3500?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:12:04
6,000 sounds ambitious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:23:54
If we couldn’t get 6000 in league 1 with the offer of £200 season tickets with similar goodwill levels thanks to ousting Diamandis I can’t see us getting close to 6k in league 2 unfortunately, especially in the current climate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:30:12
The power of Power’s demise is a powerful marketing tool.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 23, 2021, 13:58:09
even so

I'll do my bit as I'm sure those that also can will.

we haven't seen the offer yet mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 23, 2021, 14:27:03
Hmm, Fitton was the last one to drop prices in a similar attempt to boost numbers, and he ended up disappointed in the takeup. Wonder if the new regime will generate sufficient goodwill to get there - it would be quite an achievement. What's the current level? About 3500?

To be fair we bought season tickets that season, even though we couldn’t make midweek games, and have had them ever since.

Wasn’t planning on renewing for the upcoming season, but probably will now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Munichred on Friday, July 23, 2021, 14:59:47
Whenever I go to Pattaya, there's always STFC news when I get back.

Guess where I'm going tomorrow? (I'll give you a clue - it's Pattaya)

Does Buttsy's in Soi Bukahao still do that great Liver and Onion with Mashed potato?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 23, 2021, 15:03:38
Does Buttsy's in Soi Bukahao still do that great Liver and Onion with Mashed potato?

I doubt it exists anymore. Everything's been shut for months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Munichred on Friday, July 23, 2021, 15:17:58
I doubt it exists anymore. Everything's been shut for months.

Shame. I ate there a few times as it was c100 metres from Lucy's Massage, which my good mate Ian used to own with his Thai girlfriend... Lucy. 10 years since I was there :-(

Have fun!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 23, 2021, 15:45:45
Shaun Hodgetts seems to have become the new TEF punch bag...there had to be one with Power out of the picture I suppose...

The man had his tongue right up Powers ass even right at the very end. Him being moody with Clem doesn't surprise me. He gets what he deserves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, July 23, 2021, 15:54:51
What a refreshing few days. Very happy with the CEO appointment, and I thought he spoke well yesterday.

Intrigued by what is planned for season tickets, as surely the 6000 target wouldn’t have been mentioned without some sort of incentive (I’d be surprised if we get near that figure but I like that they are aiming high!)

I hope a certain non-Exec director has also moved on, to put an end to the days of the local convicts getting the red carpet treatment in the boardroom.

Re. Hodgetts. It’s only when you listen to Vic Morgan, Andrew Hawes and our very own RP interview players and staff that you realise just how poor his questioning is. Throw in the perceived Power bias and it’s no surprise he gets some stick. A lovely man, though and I hope it doesn’t get too personal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:04:51
May have missed it but I see the home kit has been released in the club shop, no sponsors but not sure if it will stay that way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:07:05
Presumably they will want a sponsor for the revenue, but that will take some time.

Impressed at what is a unique Puma shirt. Like the pinstripes, not sure i'm a fan of all the mini old badges. But overall looks good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:09:45
(https://www.stfcdirect.com/siteimg/prodhires/2424-94.jpg)

Those stripes will look a long way apart on some fans  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:28:19
Presumably they will want a sponsor for the revenue, but that will take some time.

Impressed at what is a unique Puma shirt. Like the pinstripes, not sure i'm a fan of all the mini old badges. But overall looks good.

I'm the same, loving the pinstripes, but the white patches and the badges just seem to me to be puma trying a little too hard. Overall though as nice a home shirt we have had in a while. I am going to buy either home or away for the first time in a while I reckon so will wait and see what the away one looks like.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:31:02
Love it, already pre-ordered. Clem can take all my money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:32:43
I like it, not an identikit with no imagination, it's unique to us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:32:56
Best home kit for years, pre-ordered too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: harrisonaw on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:33:20
Really like that kit  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:48:53
No sponsor?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:51:30
No sponsor?

Yet...It's only been 48 hours since Clem did his statement


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:51:43
I'm certain there will be a sponsor, I imagine Clem etc. were in discussions with Puma before everything was sorted and just really needed the kit sorting out, once a main sponsor is in place it'll be easy to add it on once it starts being made for market.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 23, 2021, 16:56:08
The man had his tongue right up Powers ass even right at the very end. Him being moody with Clem doesn't surprise me. He gets what he deserves.
Fair enough...like I said previously, I'd not listened to BBC Wilts for months until yesterday.

I like it, not an identikit with no imagination, it's unique to us.
Agree, looks great and for once, whoever it is that says every single year without fail, "Oooh, it's just another generic template"...can't say it ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:12:50
Really like that.

Trying hard to retain a degree of balance about the new ownership and not go full over-expectations but not a step out of place so far!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:25:28
Both kits were selected before Morfuni arrived.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:27:26
I once managed to get a friend of mine a new Everton shirt before the FA Cup Final (which was the first game they would be wearing it) before general release, from a Scout who worked there.  It didn't have a Sponsors name and looked amazing as a result.

I'm liking this one, may need to get one sent Par Avion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:28:11
Both kits were selected before Morfuni arrived.

Killjoy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:29:15
Clem hasn't just arrived  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:46:17
Killjoy.

You're welcome.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 23, 2021, 17:53:22
How big are his hands FFS? (Maybe a distorted image?)

(https://i.imgur.com/tpJZgx9.jpg)

It looks like he's at the Kassam😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:00:32
I'm the same, loving the pinstripes, but the white patches and the badges just seem to me to be puma trying a little too hard. Overall though as nice a home shirt we have had in a while. I am going to buy either home or away for the first time in a while I reckon so will wait and see what the away one looks like.

Hopefully a white and red alternate because that would look great, although it would require a third kit if we play anyone in red and white stripes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:01:15
Exeter😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:06:37
I haven't bought a shirt for years and barely wear the retro ones i have. Will put my money down for either the home or away here though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Banker on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:11:36
Sharp shirt, the dogs danglies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:16:39
I fucking love that. Although deliberating about buying one of the remake Spall ones too!

In the words of Lloyd Christmas “We’re really doing this Harry!!”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:17:25
And Stuart Mac!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:32:04
I fucking love that. Although deliberating about buying one of the remake Spall ones too!

In the words of Lloyd Christmas “We’re really doing this Harry!!”

Yes I want an old SPALL one where are these for sale please?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:36:15
I think this design was a SPALL.

https://theterracestore.com/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt?fbclid=IwAR0tuNh683NoXzDzvpHsabDxzbYJnOplDhJZKYSDOuJ-NgIEId4gGJ9xRa8

I keep on meaning to buy one myself.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 23, 2021, 18:44:49
I think this design was a SPALL.

https://theterracestore.com/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt?fbclid=IwAR0tuNh683NoXzDzvpHsabDxzbYJnOplDhJZKYSDOuJ-NgIEId4gGJ9xRa8

I keep on meaning to buy one myself.


I've got an original purchased in 1987 (It is Spall...although they sold them without the sponsor's logo back then for some reason)....and I'm pleased to say that I've slimmed down enough recently to be able to get into it again....happy days  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, July 23, 2021, 19:08:11
Yes I want an old SPALL one where are these for sale please?

Reissues

https://spallreissue.myshopify.com/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, July 23, 2021, 19:11:56
New shirt reminds me of the Macari first season.
For that it’s a big yes from me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Loobug on Friday, July 23, 2021, 19:31:08
New shirt reminds me of the Macari first season.
For that it’s a big yes from me.
I was thinking the same… first season I supported Swindon. I still have the shirt somewhere


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, July 23, 2021, 19:58:35
New shirt reminds me of the Macari first season.
For that it’s a big yes from me.

Hell yeah, it does.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, July 23, 2021, 20:10:52
Reissues

https://spallreissue.myshopify.com/

I would like one of these


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 23, 2021, 20:43:39
I think this design was a SPALL.

https://theterracestore.com/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt?fbclid=IwAR0tuNh683NoXzDzvpHsabDxzbYJnOplDhJZKYSDOuJ-NgIEId4gGJ9xRa8

I keep on meaning to buy one myself.



Your link defaults to 4XL Batch  :)

Season I started going, I should get one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Christy on Friday, July 23, 2021, 21:49:41
I don't know Shaun but Power had a habit of blocking anyone that crossed him media wise... Hodgett's was walking on eggshells... he's not an 'investigative journo' with eyes only on the issues and had to balance our plight with ensuring Power didn't break all ties with the media considering they had to deliver match day commentary

I don’t know Shaun but…I was stood within earwigging distance of him at Supermarine.

He’s a fan, and up for this.

Has modest expectations, wary of further skeletons, but optimistic - his words - ‘time for change’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 23, 2021, 21:59:12
He's been around since the early 80's and is as big a fan of STFC as us fans but he also has to have his professional head on for His employers so not sure why he's taking so much flack


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 00:37:36
He's been around since the early 80's and is as big a fan of STFC as us fans but he also has to have his professional head on for His employers so not sure why he's taking so much flack

Perhaps he can pull his head out of Lee Powers ass. He spoke to Clem like dirt whilst making himself look the fool. Don’t bite the hand that feeds. He acted like a muppet, deserves to be regarded as one until he shows some respect IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 03:29:03
I'll reserve judgement until I have listened to the interview and then post my thoughts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 05:51:29
I’ll eat humble pie.
After saying how much I hate the identikit template rubbish and would love something unique- a few days later we get something unique.

You’re welcome Clem - who I can only assume made this decision based on my opinions on the TEF!!
Best home shirt in the last 25 years. Top 3 in the last 30.

Now, an away kit same design but in blue and black would be awesome or even green with yellow lines for the Aussie connection.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 06:22:12
Ordered the new shirt - first time I’ve bought one for donkey’s years.

Hope it has more luck getting here than the one Berniman sent!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 06:27:42
Me too and I don’t normally buy kits. I hope this shirt sells by the bucket load as do season tickets when they go on sale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 06:44:02
Haven’t bought a shirt for about 10 years now but sorely tempted this time around, both because it looks great and because of a desire to throw a little extra support behind the club. Will wait to see what the away kit is like before choosing. Guessing it’ll need announcing soon as it’ll be required at Scunny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 06:45:19
I’ve just bought two!
Roll on the away kit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:24:31
Just noticed that the Blunsdon House Hotel has offered the club free use of their gym//training facilities for 3 months!

Great gesture!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:36:55
Haven’t bought a shirt for about 10 years now but sorely tempted this time around, both because it looks great and because of a desire to throw a little extra support behind the club. Will wait to see what the away kit is like before choosing. Guessing it’ll need announcing soon as it’ll be required at Scunny.
Same here.

I wonder if Town will go for the two kit or three kit option?

I do like a two kit mix and match combo, so black shorts and socks with any of black, blue or green shirts would do for me.

I’m very much enjoying the daily good news releases, it’s such a refreshing contrast to the past few weeks.

Season ticket money is ready to go so I’m looking forward to today’s news.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:39:21
I will get the shirt for me and my lad, but will wait until after payday, hopefully the club shop will be open then to save £5 on shipping!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:41:14
What size should I go for, usually buy XL or XXL T shirts depending on where I buy them. I don't want the wetsuit fit  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:43:06
Puma shirts are always on the small side from my experience, so err on the side of caution and go bigger


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:43:35
3XL  :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 07:44:04
I have just ordered one. I was relieved to note that they go up to 5XL


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 09:02:36
Do you have a grey beard?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 10:49:05
Yikes!  First sight of new away shirt:


https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/202122-away-kit-release/

https://www.stfcdirect.com/2122-kit-training-wear/2122-kit/2122-away-kit/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 10:52:06
Interesting...Will the shorts be blue as per premier league season and referencing our history as per old badge on home shirt, or have we gone full down under?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 10:52:24
Yikes!  First sight of new away shirt:

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1418884125138771969?s=20
Are we Oxford?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 10:57:45
I've changed the link to the OS one now. Pretty sure we've had a yellow away shirt previously and, with green shorts, there's not much similarity to that lot down the A420!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:13:02
Despite being (wrongfully) accused of seeking 'bites' on the away shirt, I got that right then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:13:59
And the shorts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:26:10
Love the away shirt and will be investing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:31:50
I'm going to hope both are still available at the club shop in Sept/Oct when I'll likely get to a couple of games.  I have both GK shirts from last season so not sure I need another yellow at the moment, I'd like to make my mind up 'face to face' on it but I think I'll get one of the other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:32:53
Yikes!  First sight of new away shirt:


https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/202122-away-kit-release/

https://www.stfcdirect.com/2122-kit-training-wear/2122-kit/2122-away-kit/
Strewth!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:36:16
I've changed the link to the OS one now. Pretty sure we've had a yellow away shirt previously and, with green shorts, there's not much similarity to that lot down the A420!
I can recall three yellow away shirts in my time, the most recent in the Prem season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:38:33
I still have the blue shorts that went with the yellow Loki shirt


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 11:44:32
I still have the blue shorts that went with the yellow Loki shirt

I'm a full kit wanker with that kit, thanks to a former colleague who used to work at the club. You can't wear the shorts nowadays as that would constitute indecent exposure.

_ _ _ _

LOVE both kits. Couldn't give a shit that Oxford wear yellow, there is a clear Aussie theme here!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 13:26:39
I can recall three yellow away shirts in my time, the most recent in the Prem season.

Had a yellow shirt throughout the 80s with it being the 3rd for a few years.
Then the GWR one first couple of years of the 90s before the Loki one mid 90s


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 13:30:18
Had a yellow shirt throughout the 80s with it being the 3rd for a few years.
Then the GWR one first couple of years of the 90s before the Loki one mid 90s
I’ve still got the GWR and Burmah ones. Oddly, the Pox factor never entered my head at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 13:33:58
I still have the blue shorts that went with the yellow Loki shirt
I tried mine on a couple of months ago as I needed something to wear for my walking football debut. The elastic had perished and made a horrible crunching sound as I pulled them up. They still fitted though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 13:43:30
I tried mine on a couple of months ago as I needed something to wear for my walking football debut. The elastic had perished and made a horrible crunching sound as I pulled them up. They still fitted though.

Last time I tried mine on, there was a Partridge type incident.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 13:51:49
The home kit is sexual in football kit terms. Cracking nods to Towns history, similarly in the away kit.

With the away kit, seemingly Luongo will shortly be announced...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 17:22:58
I’ve still got the GWR and Burmah ones. Oddly, the Pox factor never entered my head at the time.

I expected people to be up in arms at us wearing yellow due to the obvious connection with our friends down the A420. Some people even kicked off when we had the Boca Juniors style away kit a few years ago just because it had a yellow band accross the chest but that doesn't appear to be the case this time. I think it's fine especially as it's an obvious reference to our new owner's home country and as has been said we've had yellow as an away kit a number of times in the past.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 17:25:58
We played in yellow and blue in the PL. Nothing new.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 17:26:09
It is gold rather than yellow


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 17:31:09
I need to say this… Clem is the real deal. Had his ear for a few mins. Very much a true gentleman that values supporter influence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 17:32:42
It is gold rather than yellow

More yellow than gold if you use the wolves shirt for reference


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 18:04:58
Love both the new kits, presumably they will ship out once sponsorship sorted. Anyone else think it’s likely to see Nationwide return? Would be a massive coup for the club if so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 18:28:14
Love both the new kits, presumably they will ship out once sponsorship sorted. Anyone else think it’s likely to see Nationwide return? Would be a massive coup for the club if so.

If the CEO can use his contacts at his former workplace


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 18:31:27
Fine with yellow.
Less fine with yellow & blue.
Premier League the shirt was yellow and green & the shorts were a very light blue so just about got away with it imo


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 18:36:54
I forgot about this kit in the late 70's


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 18:45:33
I'd love a sash, probably on an away kit, I think they're very cool.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 18:47:52
Yes same here


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 19:16:54
I need to say this… Clem is the real deal. Had his ear for a few mins. Very much a true gentleman that values supporter influence.

Dare you to post the pic and face reveal your mush at the same time


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, July 24, 2021, 20:24:59
Fine with yellow.
Less fine with yellow & blue.
Premier League the shirt was yellow and green & the shorts were a very light blue so just about got away with it imo
The premier league one was, if I recall correctly, basically the Brazil kit, yellow shirts, pale blue shorts and white socks. Probably as a result of our not giving a shit for defence style of football at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: leftside on Monday, July 26, 2021, 13:41:07
The premier league one was, if I recall correctly, basically the Brazil kit, yellow shirts, pale blue shorts and white socks. Probably as a result of our not giving a shit for defence style of football at the time.
It was, although we had to play In Sheffield Utd’s away socks in our first Prem game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Monday, July 26, 2021, 14:48:56
I forgot about this kit in the late 70's
With apologies to our more northerly fans...but this was a cool kit:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/12ygq3dCqx4/maxresdefault.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, July 26, 2021, 14:52:51
I am very partial to a sash, I have to admit...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:02:52
Was a bit shocked by the yellow and, personally, that shirt won't be for me.

Reassuringly, I see the shorts are due to be green, so the players will be more Norwich City/Soceroos. Please, no yellow shorts though if green doesn't work for any particular game.  The very pale blue of the Premiership would do.  

Cannot begrudge Clem having a Socceroo look so long as it's not confuseable with the threesiders.

The home shirt looks great.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:03:49
The Kit was all the previous owners decision making


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:09:41
The Kit was all the previous owners decision making
Cheers Shrivvy.

Thinking about it, it would have been a bit vain of Clem to be giving much thought to the choice of kit given the urgency of other considerations.

Regardless ...   Oggy, Oggy, Oggy!   Clem, Clem, Clem!



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:25:58
The Kit was all the previous owners decision making

Racking up the bills with an (admittedly nice) bespoke kit?

Away kit a bit of a laugh at clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, July 26, 2021, 15:52:42
Sorry if i'm covering old ground but does anyone know the latest on a possible points deduction heading into the new season or when a decision is likely to be made?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 26, 2021, 17:22:14
I doubt that one gets resolved until the Standing vs. Power case is sorted - I'd imagine the EFL are hanging off of that to save effort in gathering evidence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 26, 2021, 17:27:51
Doesn't point deductions usually come after months of not paying players and also Admin


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 26, 2021, 17:32:31
There’s absolutely no chance of a points deduction for missing paying wages.

The other stuff . . .


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:23:32
Anyone getting involved in the fans kick about on 3rd?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:35:03
Anyone getting involved in the fans kick about on 3rd?

I am along with my bad knee and terrible fitness


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 26, 2021, 18:38:24
Invite Geoff the Ref to officiate  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 09:22:45
Fan phone in with Clem and Rob Angus on bbc wilts tonight at 6pm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 09:23:40
I nobody asks what his favourite cheese is then what's the point?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 09:24:00
Nice one as that could have been easily missed!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 09:28:30
Yeah, cheers for the heads up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:37:45
FOOTBALL : A new era at @Official_STFC - Your Questions Answered by chairman Clem Morfuni & chief executive Rob Angus - 1800-1900 tonight on @BBCWiltshire #stfc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:40:32
The Kit was all the previous owners decision making

If this is truly the case - why on earth did Power choose yellow and green of all colours.
Also, if this was Powers call why wasn’t it announced weeks ago - so he could have pocketed any kit sales?

Don’t doubt you’ve been told that but it really doesn’t add up logically (that’s not to say it isn’t still true)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:43:08
If this is truly the case - why on earth did Power choose yellow and green of all colours.
Also, if this was Powers call why wasn’t it announced weeks ago - so he could have pocketed any kit sales?

Don’t doubt you’ve been told that but it really doesn’t add up logically (that’s not to say it isn’t still true)

He spent 4 years at Norwich City which was arguably where he enjoyed his 'best' football. Perhaps it's a selfish nod to this? It's not the first time we've had a largely green away kit under Power also, the beautiful green and white one from a few years back springs to mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:52:20
If this is truly the case - why on earth did Power choose yellow and green of all colours.
Also, if this was Powers call why wasn’t it announced weeks ago - so he could have pocketed any kit sales?

Don’t doubt you’ve been told that but it really doesn’t add up logically (that’s not to say it isn’t still true)
Can't tell you why the colours but the reason for late release was the bill was not paid to Puma so they did not hand over the kits until we paid them last week


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 10:58:19
Can't tell you why the colours but the reason for late release was the bill was not paid to Puma so they did not hand over the kits until we paid them last week

I figured as much with regards to why the kits weren’t released till after the takeover

Again, seems odd that Power would go to all that trouble to choose a kit design he had no intention of paying the bill for.

Proper own goal because the kits look ace and Clem will get all the credit for them!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 11:03:26
I figured as much with regards to why the kits weren’t released till after the takeover

Again, seems odd that Power would go to all that trouble to choose a kit design he had no intention of paying the bill for.

Proper own goal because the kits look ace and Clem will get all the credit for them!
I believe the kits were chosen before he was ordered to sell the shares.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 11:30:12
FOOTBALL : A new era at @Official_STFC - Your Questions Answered by chairman Clem Morfuni & chief executive Rob Angus - 1800-1900 tonight on @BBCWiltshire #stfc

It will be Hawes interviewing won't it? I'll be turning off and looking for the post interview transcript if it is Hodgetts.

Note: If it is you Hodgetts, show some respect for the fella that has saved our club as well as our new Exec.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 13:19:34
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/don-rogers-to-become-our-official-club-ambassador/

Great to see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 13:20:17
Like that


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 13:50:30
New shirt sponsor perhaps?

https://twitter.com/Bartercard


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 13:51:55
That's ace 👍

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 14:00:46
New shirt sponsor perhaps?

https://twitter.com/Bartercard


That'll do, get those new kits out in the wild!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 14:04:57
They sponsor Oldham too i think


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 14:06:33
Confirmed

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/bartercard-announced-as-our-new-principal-parter/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 14:12:08
New sponsors on the shirts on stfcdirect.com too


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 14:36:04
New sponsors on the shirts on stfcdirect.com too

The whole package on both shirts is very good IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 14:46:34
I'm not happy with Clem and the team, all these new positive announcements, need to slow down we are not used to this and we need to be able to keep up with the announcements, and take it all in, can we go back to statement Friday


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 15:07:57
Well as the club picks itself up and things begin to get straightened out, so does the club crest which had fallen to a very sorry state - nearly broken.

There's still a lot of work to be done but with the arrival of Clem into the station, the Robin has been resuscitated and looking much brighter. Power has gone, most of the stinging nettles have disappeared, the year of establishment is nearly reconfirmed and whilst the football is still not quite fully pumped up yet, Town is once again on the verge of;

"Salubritas Et Industria"

Health & Industry indeed!

Enjoy the rebuilding process :)


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 16:46:26
New sponsors on the shirts on stfcdirect.com too
Looking good, albeit with all those who had preordered before the sponsor was confirmed I had hoped it would be something like buttplugs.com?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 16:47:00
Well as the club picks itself up and things begin to get straightened out, so does the club crest which had fallen to a very sorry state - nearly broken.

There's still a lot of work to be done but with the arrival of Clem into the station, the Robin has been resuscitated and looking much brighter. Power has gone, most of the stinging nettles have disappeared, the year of establishment is nearly reconfirmed and whilst the football is still not quite fully pumped up yet, Town is once again on the verge of;

"Salubritas Et Industria"

Health & Industry indeed!

Enjoy the rebuilding process :)
You can get that LNER shite off that for a start.....

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 20:50:55
You can get that LNER shite off that for a start.....

Sent from my SM-A125F

Haha! As I say...there's still a lot of work to be done. As things progress, we could be looking at a fully "healed" badge by Christmas :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 21:13:20
Looking good, albeit with all those who had preordered before the sponsor was confirmed I had hoped it would be something like buttplugs.com?

Sent from my SM-A125F

(https://dildoking.de/static/version1627369547/frontend/Clickpool/default/de_DE/images/logo.png)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 04:12:35
Well as the club picks itself up and things begin to get straightened out, so does the club crest which had fallen to a very sorry state - nearly broken.

There's still a lot of work to be done but with the arrival of Clem into the station, the Robin has been resuscitated and looking much brighter. Power has gone, most of the stinging nettles have disappeared, the year of establishment is nearly reconfirmed and whilst the football is still not quite fully pumped up yet, Town is once again on the verge of;

"Salubritas Et Industria"

Health & Industry indeed!

Enjoy the rebuilding process :)

There were some classic tef badge efforts back in the day. Fuck knows if they still exist anywhere


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 28, 2021, 12:35:15
Fine with yellow.
Less fine with yellow & blue.
Premier League the shirt was yellow and green & the shorts were a very light blue so just about got away with it imo

White socks don't forget as well. Full Brazil.

Yellow/Gold & Green = Australia, fine
yellow and green shirts, blue shorts and white socks = Brazil, fine
blue with yellow band = boca juniors, fine

yellow and blue shirts, blue shorts = oxford not fine at all. sadly we still managed to make that mistake in the 80s. Lets never repeat it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, August 1, 2021, 02:58:50
Is ti just me, or does Rob Angus look like Willem Dafoe?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, August 1, 2021, 09:39:49
(https://media.giphy.com/media/yhRnl31SmMec/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, August 1, 2021, 10:56:39
no doubt how he looked when offered the CEO job!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 14:59:40
Has it been announced how long the contract is for our new Head Coach ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 15:28:30
To follow on from that, do we actually have an Assistant Manager / Asst Head  Coach / Cone Gatherer or is that a bit last Century?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 15:29:29
(https://media.giphy.com/media/yhRnl31SmMec/giphy.gif)

haha. He's the spitting image isn't he!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 17:43:45
Ticket prices frozen.

Kid a quid being introduced


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, 20:22:43
Can't knock those kids prices, very accessible.

Bit of explanation on the noon cut off for tickets on facebook too, it's a covid thing to avoid crowds gathering if they don't have to. Has come from above and not a club decision.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:08:20
Great to see this page updated!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimpanzee on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:10:36
Great to see this page updated!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

Good to see Lee Peacock is also still at the club..I know he was taking training of the 1st team pre-takeover, but hadn't heard much about him since.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:28:40
Marcus Cassidy still listed too, guess we're sticking by him then. Hopefully he has cleaned up his act a bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:30:49
Marcus Cassidy still listed too, guess we're sticking by him then. Hopefully he has cleaned up his act a bit.

Is Academy Administrator Megan McLoughlin any relation of Alan?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:31:27
Marcus Cassidy still listed too, guess we're sticking by him then. Hopefully he has cleaned up his act a bit.

He’s been back a while now. Hopefully seeking help for his issues as he’s clearly brilliant at his job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:34:35
Marcus Cassidy still listed too, guess we're sticking by him then. Hopefully he has cleaned up his act a bit.
He has, i believe he had proffessional help


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wormholes of Time on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 13:38:08
i've just been over from Stroud to visit the County Ground again and call at the Beehive about a wake for Reg. Spoke to three Academy youngsters at the railway station and all smiles as I congratulated them and said, It's a great feeling. We've got our club back'. A walking football scouser mate in Stroud said I should write something about what 'We've got our club back' means. I dunno if we could start a thread about that. But I'd love to collate and write something about this. I'm going to start this afternoon while it rains.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 14:18:10
Great to see this page updated!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/
Brilliant innit, couple of queries, following the death of Mike Spearman and noting how (so far) the club seem to be going back to their roots and community who they might offer the president to, the Don maybe?

I thought Jack Deaman and had gone? See Seamus Brady still listed thought he was another of Powers circle?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 14:20:11
Great to see this page updated!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

I'd take "updated" with a pinch of salt. They've still got Mike Spearman as Honorary President, Jack Deaman as Strength & Conditioning Coach, Seamus Brady as Academy Head...

So I'm not sure that's a guarantee of who's still in post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 14:24:56
Great to see this page updated!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

Claire Swindell moved onto Scunthorpe last month .


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 14:29:12
I'd take "updated" with a pinch of salt. They've still got Mike Spearman as Honorary President, Jack Deaman as Strength & Conditioning Coach, Seamus Brady as Academy Head...

So I'm not sure that's a guarantee of who's still in post.

Yeah Horlock also mentioned that. I admit I didn't do forensic analysis but I did notice Seamus Brady and think it was odd. I guess there is still work in progress being done.

Wasn't Don Rogers going to be honorary president or did I dream that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 14:58:00
Claire Swindell moved onto Scunthorpe last month .

Wasn't really a name that sat well with our club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: michael on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 15:01:32
My one ever bit of ITK, the new Head of Fitness Alun Andrews, has already left the club.

It is almost as if it never even happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 16:27:47

Wasn't Don Rogers going to be honorary president or did I dream that?

Announced last week - Club Ambassador and on the advisory board

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/don-rogers-to-become-our-official-club-ambassador/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 18:25:02
My one ever bit of ITK, the new Head of Fitness Alun Andrews, has already left the club.

It is almost as if it never even happened.

The kieran freeman of fitness staff


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 18:51:49
Highlight for me is for the first time ever I'm logging into the official site two or three times a day to get up to date news


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: china red on Thursday, August 5, 2021, 20:10:42
My one ever bit of ITK, the new Head of Fitness Alun Andrews, has already left the club.

It is almost as if it never even happened.

As in the person Power employed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 6, 2021, 08:38:56
As in the person Power employed?
Yes, McGreal brought him in and he didn't leave when JMcG left, this is no surprise as Garner will want his own man in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 6, 2021, 09:52:31
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Quote
As in the person Power employed?
Yes, McGreal brought him in and he didn't leave when JMcG left, this is no surprise as Garner will want his own man in.


aaaah. I see


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Monday, August 9, 2021, 09:13:02
We start with a blank page.

Whilst feeling sorry for recent Championship interlopers, Yeovil, this was an interesting article on Premiership Brentford's journey from League Two.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58137450+

Looking forward to forging our own destiny as we re-start once again in League 2.

C'mon Swindon :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 9, 2021, 09:29:24
I’m taking Clem at face value here, seeing as, to date, he has done exactly what he said he would do.

The fact that he has said he, personally, doesn’t need/want to take money out if the club gives us a big advantage over most other clubs financially.

When you tot up all the income streams - dramatically increased with Clem taking over - I’d be fairly certain the club is more than self sufficient. What could propel us up the leagues even faster is a good cup run. Lincoln’s fortunes have been on the up off the back of 2 such runs.

Saying that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us crash and burn tomorrow. As per.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 9, 2021, 09:30:33
I imagine Clem will be at the CG on Saturday continuing his charm offensive and then he is surely back to Oz and leaving Aberdeen Angus in charge going forward?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Monday, August 9, 2021, 09:47:00
I imagine Clem will be at the CG on Saturday continuing his charm offensive and then he is surely back to Oz and leaving Aberdeen Angus in charge going forward?

He said he's due to go back reasonably soon but doesn't think they'll let him back in!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Monday, August 9, 2021, 10:03:50
He said he's due to go back reasonably soon but doesn't think they'll let him back in!

I believe Rob said on the OSC phone in last week that Clem was here until mid September


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: thedarkprince on Monday, August 9, 2021, 10:36:52
He said he's due to go back reasonably soon but doesn't think they'll let him back in!

Oz have some of the strictest limitations on who can enter (or leave) their country at the moment. Reckon Clem could be here for awhile.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, August 9, 2021, 10:38:02
Oz have some of the strictest limitations on who can enter (or leave) their country at the moment. Reckon Clem could be here for awhile.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimpanzee on Monday, August 9, 2021, 10:39:04
I imagine Clem will be at the CG on Saturday continuing his charm offensive and then he is surely back to Oz and leaving Aberdeen Angus in charge going forward?

On the Loathed Strangers podcast, he did say Rob would run things day to day as he just didn't have the time. It sounds like he has his fingers in lots of pies, not just Axis & STFC. I'd imagine he will oversee things for a few weeks or so, get the basics in place, oversee the transfer window & ST sales and then keep an eye on things from afar.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, August 9, 2021, 16:21:13
Ben Garner on the Supporters Club Facebook panel this evening at 7pm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, August 9, 2021, 18:37:32
Ben Garner on the Supporters Club Facebook panel this evening at 7pm
Was he on early? I turned on at 7.30pm and he wasnt there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 08:17:58
Was he on early? I turned on at 7.30pm and he wasnt there.
It's available to watch here NMH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnfipIi61Is&t=1s


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 16:05:44
I think it really bizarre that we are not using squad numbers 13 to 21, given there is no way we expect 9 more players to sign.

Is this conspiracy guy onto something?

https://twitter.com/callex03/status/1425066535144591361 (https://twitter.com/callex03/status/1425066535144591361)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 16:13:15
Seems entirely feasible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 21:25:14
It's available to watch here NMH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnfipIi61Is&t=1s
Thank you. I watched back. Thought Garner spoke very well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 10:59:31
A Friday Statement!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:04:09
A Friday Statement!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/

Wow, what an absolutely positive statement by Clem. Can do nothing but applaud him.

What was the attack on Zav Austin all about then? I've not heard anything about that before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:09:48
Can guess


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:10:36
Can guess

Yeah It's clearly down to our ex-owners as Clem wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:11:18
Top statement, I assume the attack on Zav Austin has some sort of connection to the club or something for it to have been raised in such a way?

As an aside is there a Mrs Morfuni as I suspect that might also have some bearing on how much time he spends in the UK?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:14:20
A Friday Statement!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/
Reading that gave me goosebumps. Hadn't quite appreciated the gap there was between ownership and fans. I knew it was poor but i guess you just get used to it. What a difference a bit of communication makes. The whole club appears to be pulling in the same direction on every level.

The bar was set low but Clem has already exceeded my expectations in terms of how he represents the club.

This appears to be a Swindon Town we can be proud of and i'm all in for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:14:57
Wow, what an absolutely positive statement by Clem. Can do nothing but applaud him.

What was the attack on Zav Austin all about then? I've not heard anything about that before.

Are we saying the attack was STFC/Power related?

When i saw him at the posh friendly his arm was in a sling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:16:24
 There’s a fella on the Rochdale forum who has been fantastic in digging out info on Curran and his associates trying to get their claws into the club. I suspect The Slug is lurking somewhere.

The story behind his Roller is an eye opener. Looks suspiciously like it was used to clean his laundry *cough*.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:18:26
Top statement, I assume the attack on Zav Austin has some sort of connection to the club or something for it to have been raised in such a way?

As an aside is there a Mrs Morfuni as I suspect that might also have some bearing on how much time he spends in the UK?

I suspect you aren't on twitter but there is a lady called Sara who lives in Sydney who has retweeting a lot of Clem stuff and posting information to fans about what is happening at the club. I think she is Clem's wife or GF.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:20:41
Just looking online and I note that as it stands Power is still a Director of STFC Ltd, Seebeck and Swinton? I assume that will be sorted in due course, but would be nice to see 'resigned' next to Powers name....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:21:27
I suspect you aren't on twitter but there is a lady called Sara who lives in Sydney who has retweeting a lot of Clem stuff and posting information to fans about what is happening at the club. I think she is Clem's wife or GF.

I am on that Twitter, I will have to hunt this mysterious Sara down...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:25:00
For those interested here’s the Rochdale lowdown on Curran

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/275065/the-gifted-rolls-royce--why-morton-house-must-fail-the-efl-test-(part-6)/#21


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:25:49
I'm a little bit cautious about Zavier Austin, he was the one to originally introduce Clem to Power and is the last remaining connection to Power and his underworld cronies.

Perhaps someone who's a bit more informed might be able to comment on his credentials.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:28:21
Just looking online and I note that as it stands Power is still a Director of STFC Ltd, Seebeck and Swinton? I assume that will be sorted in due course, but would be nice to see 'resigned' next to Powers name....

I saw this some time ago. Authentic?

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1423527003655921665?s=20



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:30:43
I am on that Twitter, I will have to hunt this mysterious Sara down...

SarzSwindon is her name on Twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:32:16
I am on that Twitter, I will have to hunt this mysterious Sara down...

Here you go:

@sarahg_100


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:44:30
I saw this some time ago. Authentic?

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1423527003655921665?s=20



That's legit, but only shows that he has ceased to be a person with significant control, as it stand he remains listed as a director.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, August 13, 2021, 11:44:42
I'm a little bit cautious about Zavier Austin, he was the one to originally introduce Clem to Power and is the last remaining connection to Power and his underworld cronies.

Perhaps someone who's a bit more informed might be able to comment on his credentials.
Genuinely believe like literally everyone else that Power charmed him and then fucked him over. In the beginning Power had the links with spurs had money coming in and didn't fuck anyone over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:10:35
Morfuni, Austin, Standing... there's a whole lot of naivity in this racket, isn't there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:18:08
Morfuni, Austin, Standing... there's a whole lot of naivity in this racket, isn't there?


Unfortunately I think you have to give Power credit for being the successful conman he is. I'd say he had maybe 95% of our fanbase fooled initially and it was a case of the pendulum taking 8 years or so to very slowly swing in the other direction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:25:17
That's legit, but only shows that he has ceased to be a person with significant control, as it stand he remains listed as a director.

I WOULD KEEP HIM AS DIRECTOR UNTIL EVERY LAST SKELETON IS DRAGGED OUT FROM EVERY LAST CUPBOARD AND USED AS GALLOWS TO HANG HIM BY


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:25:53
What could possibly go wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4714579.stm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:26:11
Reading that gave me goosebumps. Hadn't quite appreciated the gap there was between ownership and fans. I knew it was poor but i guess you just get used to it. What a difference a bit of communication makes. The whole club appears to be pulling in the same direction on every level.

The bar was set low but Clem has already exceeded my expectations in terms of how he represents the club.

This appears to be a Swindon Town we can be proud of and i'm all in for it.

Goosebumps? Get a grip?

On a serious note though, a incredible amount can be interpreted from that.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:28:27
Quote
What could possibly go wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4714579.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4714579.stm)
ours is Xavier not xaver, and would have been 35 in 2005

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/6eH2BTXjHjaZ2Je4PNCPxTCoWFc/appointments (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/6eH2BTXjHjaZ2Je4PNCPxTCoWFc/appointments)

relative, I don't know


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:30:11
What could possibly go wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4714579.stm
Fuck me. That’s jumping the gun a bit quick. Have you fact checked are just assumed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:31:50
I’m a Swindon fan - it’s what we do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:34:26
Haha - that's quite spooky.  I think ours is the one that owns TES, not the money laundering drug mule, although the latter would equally be a good fit in all this.

Seems he owns a horse or two as well, imagine that could have been the Power connection.  Construction is clearly the Clem connection.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:37:02
Zavier and Zaver do appear to have lived in the same address though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:37:09
What could possibly go wrong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4714579.stm

A LinkedIn search for Zavier Austin has someone of that name as MD of TES Facilities, from Bromley. The bbc link is also someone from Bromley. I hope it’s not the same person. A club intent on showing good governance and transparency doesn’t appoint a convicted money launderer as a Director or Vice Chairman. I hope I’m wrong. Expect the man of mystery will become public soon.

Edit: the LinkedIn says he was at Dulwich College from 83-88 (if that’s him). If that’s the case then he’s about 50+ now. The money launderer is late 30s. Phew.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:38:24
A LinkedIn search for Zavier Austin has someone of that name as MD of TES Facilities, from Bromley. The bbc link is also someone from Bromley. I hope it’s not the same person. A club intent on showing good governance and transparency doesn’t appoint a convicted money launderer as a Director or Vice Chairman. I hope I’m wrong.
Zavier was born in 1970 and this chap would have been born in 1982. So unlikely the same bloke.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:40:59
but could be a relative.

or not


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:41:31
Google isn't always your friend.

I'm still on the fence with Morfuni and I spend most of my time feeling bad about that. Lee Power has heightened my sense of distrust when it comes to football business.

The PR drive has been impressive, the football stuff more so and I'm enjoying the majority of it all but it will take a bit more that pulling pints and posing for selfies before I can relax.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:41:40
Could be a junior?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:44:23
Google isn't always your friend.

I'm still on the fence with Morfuni and I spend most of my time feeling bad about that. Lee Power has heightened my sense of distrust when it comes to football business.

The PR drive has been impressive, the football stuff more so and I'm enjoying the majority of it all but it will take a bit more that pulling pints and posing for selfies before I can relax.

I think this appointment brought some of those same feelings back. I’d like to know why we’re appointing someone connected to Power… or just a bit about him. Who he is, what he does etc would be a start.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:45:47
10 minutes of Google stalking leads me to hypothesise that Zaver is Zavier's younger brother.  Zaver's wife, Kellie, is also listed at the same company as Zavier.  I'm going with them being married based on the fact they appear to live at the same address and be around the same age.  Zavier & Zaver have both resided at the same Bromley address before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:47:29
The presence of Zavier Austin is what is preventing me jumping aboard the Clem Morfuni fun bus. It really concerns me that this might all just be a case of 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss.'

We know that Austin was an associate of Lee Power, which is worrying enough in the first place. He is also clearly a longstanding associate of Morfuni.

A cursory google turns up an appearance by a 'Zav Austin' in a book called 'Born Gangster' by Jimmy Tippet Jr, which appears to be your standard airport bookshop dross gangster biography, and contains the following passages:

"I was a Tippett and, as Dad said, we Tippetts were 'born to fight'. A few weeks later I was taking on Zav Austin, a bookmaker from Beckenham. I knew Zav already - he was a pretty boy who fancied himself as a bit of a face, one of those who talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk."

"I was determined to obliterate Zav because there'd always been a lot of rivalry between us and he'd recently run off with the wife of a major drugs baron I knew."

"Reggie Kray heard about my fight with Zav and offered to sponsor a rematch from his prison cell. But, before he could get around to organising it, Zav was kneecapped outside a paper shop in Bromley by contract killer James 'Jimbles' Tomkins. This was a warning to Zav to stay away from the drug baron's missus."

Now, there could be more than one Zav or Zavier Austin from Beckenham, but somehow I doubt it, and he sounds like the sort of chap I would expect to be chums with Lee Power.

What should concern any right minded Town fan is that our new saviour has just given this bloke his second glowing character reference and basically said he will be at the helm in his absence.

A known associate of Power with the history above. Who brought Clem Morfuni to the club. And is now being attacked by 'thugs' in front of his children. If this isn't ringing alarm bells I don't know what will.

I'm not saying that people need to wake up, but I do think people need to start asking questions. What is the Trust view on Austin?

I've had lots of worries about Morfuni that I've let be drowned out by the prospect of getting rid of Power (his endless talk of Axis' turnover rather than profit, his UK business issues, the fact that he was involved with Power himself, the glaring lack of any normal reason for him to get involved in our football club etc) but this one just won't go away.

The Trust keep saying they've done their due diligence. I hope that they have. No selfies with Clem for me just yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, August 13, 2021, 12:58:05
Morfuni, Austin, Standing... there's a whole lot of naivity in this racket, isn't there?

Lot's more than that to be fair. Look at the clubs and sponsors he also done. Even his own mates have taken him to court


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:07:26
Looking at the accounts of TES, I’m surprised he can afford a cat let alone racehorses.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:10:05
Austin also owns horses. Likely to be the Power link. Let’s hope Curran doesn’t get bored at Rochdale…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:10:52
Lot's more than that to be fair. Look at the clubs and sponsors he also done. Even his own mates have taken him to court

You can list them all but I'll still need convincing and I blame Power for that outlook. Ultimately I'll judge Morfuni on his Town tenure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:14:52
https://courtnewsuk.co.uk/a-fall-guy-who-helped-run-a-pnds-stlg-12-5-milli/

I'm not registered on this site but 'Court News UK' seem to have the nefarious 'Zaver Austin' as 34 years old in 2005.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:22:39
Have to say that the Zav(i)er Austin statement has seen the first doubts creep into my mind. Ignoring the imprisonment story from 2005, the fact that he was a colleague of Power's during his reign and is now our vice chairman doesn't sit easily. Yes, he eventually fell out with Power but because of the type of men Power had in his circle the fact this fella is now Clem's 'second in charge' is a bit worrying.  

I hope the Trust have done some due diligence on him and will make some kind of statement soon?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:25:09
Quote from: Costanza
Google isn't always your friend.

I'm still on the fence with Morfuni and I spend most of my time feeling bad about that. Lee Power has heightened my sense of distrust when it comes to football business.

The PR drive has been impressive, the football stuff more so and I'm enjoying the majority of it all but it will take a bit more that pulling pints and posing for selfies before I can relax.

I think that's a fair enough attitude isn't it.

like you say, the proof will be in the pudding


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:26:04
This is the first time under the Clem era that many fans and myself will want the trust to look into this appointment and it'll need some explaining.

It's also the first time that Clem will probably not get away with just this statement and will need to expand further on Austin's past and links. Austin will no doubt have to do this himself.

"Open and Transparent" has been said more than the word Swindon in the interviews these past few weeks.
Anyone within a high position in the club has no option but to be so, or else it undoes everything they spoke about almost straight away.

I wish he would have put the statement out after the weekend although to be fair to him, Clem has spoken about Austin a few times during and after the takeover.

Richard Selbourne wrote a piece for the trust that they tweeted in July.
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1421115774853427208



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:33:07
Oh god, instant dread reading the (potential) history...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:33:23
Not sure if I am reading too much into this but the statement that appeared on the STFC website was not 'introduced' via Twitter, which I believe all other online statements were.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:36:59
Lets not judge anything until we get the facts.

No knee jerk reactions, I know we are all worried hes cut from the same cloth as Power but maybe he isn't.

Lets not let this spoil the party until it looks like it has been proved to be spoilt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:40:03
I think this could do with some more from the club before the day is out. It's a potential own goal and dangerous for the club/fan relationship. If we've got the wrong man, then say so. if you have a reason to believe that the convicted money launderer, who appears to keep the kind of company that results in him getting beaten up at the age of 50, and (potentially) gets referenced in wideboy guides to drug running, is the best man for the job then please say why...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:40:22
You can list them all but I'll still need convincing and I blame Power for that outlook. Ultimately I'll judge Morfuni on his Town tenure.
100 Percent. I have no doubt we will hear from him soon


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 13:41:09
The saving grace is Aberdeen Angus being CEO. Presume he’s responsible for the day to day running of the club.

Not sure what a Vice Chairman’s input would be.

My worry is that it’s Clem that hasn’t done his due diligence on Austin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:03:06
I was going to tweet the trust to ask if they planned to look into this and then just stopped.
They, more than anyone will know it's these kind of issues that need looking at, and with their membership at their highest, it's in their interest to make sure they hold Morfuni to account.

Of course they are also on this forum :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:16:01
The saving grace is Aberdeen Angus being CEO. Presume he’s responsible for the day to day running of the club.

Not sure what a Vice Chairman’s input would be.

My worry is that it’s Clem that hasn’t done his due diligence on Austin.

I imagine he knows enough.  It looks possible it's a younger brother who got the conviction - such a thing would potentially appear on the EFL checks anyway as it is one of the few things they do worry about.

Zavier at the very least is from the do it yourself construction background, done quite good.  Clem is similar but done better.  I have no doubt they have crossed the paths of some very dodgy characters in their time given that industry and Zavier has family exposure at a minimum.  At least Zavier should be able to tart up the Corporate Hospitality rooms.

As mentioned  by someone else, Angus is the day to day person running the club.  Zavier will act as the voting member on behalf of Clem when he is not around I imagine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:16:03
Not being controversial here but it would be a bit dense to name two sons with virtually the same name...

"Zaver, come 'ere!"
"No, not you Zavier."

I'd put a pretty confident bet on Zaver/Zavier/Xavier being the same bloke. The fact we can't necessarily confirm or tie down something as simple as his age and name is a bit of a red flag. "Open and transparent" we keep hearing.

Would not surprise me if there's been more snuff peddled via Lausanne Lee's pals than a Chandler Bing house party.

We appear to have "got our club back" but at what expense? A "former" drug peddler hardly speaks as an "open and transparent" or "a family friendly club" or is that ok now?

Yet I'm aware people can and do change; let's hope Mr Austin has changed his spots...

NB: Owns a horse named "Power Il Topo"... not sure, if that's a play on words but the horse has only been in service since June this year too. Small coincidence :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:17:41
The presence of Zavier Austin is what is preventing me jumping aboard the Clem Morfuni fun bus. It really concerns me that this might all just be a case of 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss.'

We know that Austin was an associate of Lee Power, which is worrying enough in the first place. He is also clearly a longstanding associate of Morfuni.

A cursory google turns up an appearance by a 'Zav Austin' in a book called 'Born Gangster' by Jimmy Tippet Jr, which appears to be your standard airport bookshop dross gangster biography, and contains the following passages:

"I was a Tippett and, as Dad said, we Tippetts were 'born to fight'. A few weeks later I was taking on Zav Austin, a bookmaker from Beckenham. I knew Zav already - he was a pretty boy who fancied himself as a bit of a face, one of those who talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk."

"I was determined to obliterate Zav because there'd always been a lot of rivalry between us and he'd recently run off with the wife of a major drugs baron I knew."

"Reggie Kray heard about my fight with Zav and offered to sponsor a rematch from his prison cell. But, before he could get around to organising it, Zav was kneecapped outside a paper shop in Bromley by contract killer James 'Jimbles' Tomkins. This was a warning to Zav to stay away from the drug baron's missus."

Now, there could be more than one Zav or Zavier Austin from Beckenham, but somehow I doubt it, and he sounds like the sort of chap I would expect to be chums with Lee Power.

What should concern any right minded Town fan is that our new saviour has just given this bloke his second glowing character reference and basically said he will be at the helm in his absence.

A known associate of Power with the history above. Who brought Clem Morfuni to the club. And is now being attacked by 'thugs' in front of his children. If this isn't ringing alarm bells I don't know what will.

I'm not saying that people need to wake up, but I do think people need to start asking questions. What is the Trust view on Austin?

I've had lots of worries about Morfuni that I've let be drowned out by the prospect of getting rid of Power (his endless talk of Axis' turnover rather than profit, his UK business issues, the fact that he was involved with Power himself, the glaring lack of any normal reason for him to get involved in our football club etc) but this one just won't go away.

The Trust keep saying they've done their due diligence. I hope that they have. No selfies with Clem for me just yet.


https://courtnewsuk.co.uk/a-fall-guy-who-helped-run-a-pnds-stlg-12-5-milli/

I'm not registered on this site but 'Court News UK' seem to have the nefarious 'Zaver Austin' as 34 years old in 2005.

First two posts on this forum......

You may be right, but much as Austin's potential appointment sets my eyebrows a twitter, so does your sudden appearance.

Its a cautious wait and see from me, it was never going to be easy was it....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:21:09

I'd put a pretty confident bet on Zaver/Zavier/Xavier being the same bloke. The fact we can't necessarily confirm or tie down something as simple as his age and name is a bit of a red flag. "Open and transparent" we keep hearing.

Unless he has been bullshitting to Companies House the DoB of the Zavier Austin who is a Director of TES is easily found on CH, he is presently 50 and will be 51 next month. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:23:09
Fair enough! Just a lifelong fan sat here watching what looks like a rather strange personality cult forming and wondering why no-one is asking what seems to be a fairly glaring question.

As someone said earlier, I can't imagine someone with Rob Angus' business background getting into bed with a (potentially) convicted criminal, so lets just hope they have done their homework and haven't been blinded by baubles and access to the club that we all love.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:26:11
Fair enough! Just a lifelong fan sat here watching what looks like a rather strange personality cult forming and wondering why no-one is asking what seems to be a fairly glaring question.

As someone said earlier, I can't imagine someone with Rob Angus' business background getting into bed with a (potentially) convicted criminal, so lets just hope they have done their homework and haven't been blinded by baubles and access to the club that we all love.

No worries I generally agree with all you say above. As stated previously the Trust have a hell of a lot riding on this as if any mucky skeletons crawl out the woodwork their credibility is shot to shit, that's why at this stage in them I trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:27:52
Unless he has been bullshitting to Companies House the DoB of the Zavier Austin who is a Director of TES is easily found on CH, he is presently 50 and will be 51 next month. 

Yes but in light of the previous history presented to us... what about "Zaver"... who we aren't sure (looking at different reports) if he was 23 or 35 in 2005 (when convicted).

If it's 35 then it's very likely our new VC. Which then brings me back to my point about sibling naming. If the offence was by his "brother" aged 23 at the time...I'm struggling to see why the parents would name them with almost identical names?

It's akin to naming one kid John and the other Jon?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:31:01
We are hurtling towards the dangerous ground of getting our Austin's mixed up and inaccurate information being distributed.

If the Zavier Austin has a murky past, it'll be sourced without needing Google.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:32:08
Lets not judge anything until we get the facts.

No knee jerk reactions, I know we are all worried hes cut from the same cloth as Power but maybe he isn't.

Lets not let this spoil the party until it looks like it has been proved to be spoilt.

Fair points JJ. I have probably been unfairly swayed by the conviction links that may or may not pertain to him. Also re the ex-Power links I was talking to someone about this and he reminded me that Clem is effectively an ex-Power man so perhaps we need to cut them some slack until we know and hear more about him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:33:19
well, at least one trust member reads this forum. we'll see if further information is forthcoming


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:33:49
Looked at linked in, he left school in 1988. That bloke in that article isnt him, unless he left school when he was 6


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:36:47
Fair points JJ. I have probably been unfairly swayed by the conviction links that may or may not pertain to him. Also re the ex-Power links I was talking to someone about this and he reminded me that Clem is effectively an ex-Power man so perhaps we need to cut them some slack until we know and hear more about him.

I was about to post exactly the same re Power/Morfuni.

Which then brings me back to my point about sibling naming. If the offence was by his "brother" aged 23 at the time...I'm struggling to see why the parents would name them with almost identical names?

I wouldn't read too much into it, could just be down to some crap transcribing/reporting.

As an example on CH they record what is written, so to use and example (and not suggesting anything nefarious as I see it all the time) with Power not all his Directorships come up under a search for Lee Power, some are under Lee Michael Power for instance and the system doesn't tie them up and treats them as two different people.

Oh and FWIW going back through filings CH has Austin resident in Wales until 2015.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:39:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevfyp3hzPM

Skip to 1:08 for Jimmy Tippett Jr talking about his fight with 'Zav' that one can only assume is mentioned in the book. He says it took place in 1997. Our Mr Austin would have been in his mid 20s at that point so seems plausible.

I agree with Rich however that this is all potentially 2+2=5 conjecture but we've just had nearly a decade of being rather badly burnt. It warrants a straightforward answer from our open and transparent club and Trust. Is Mr Kneecap victim and drugs cash launderer our man or not? As stated, the Court News UK article puts him bang in the age range of our fella. If not I wish him every success.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:41:24
Clem seems open enough on the clubs website

Swindon Town Owner Clem Morfuni would like to make the following statement in regards to Zavier Austin:

I would like to announce that I will be applying to the EFL to make Zavier Austin a board member and I would also like to appoint him as Vice Chairman of the Club. As I said in my statement when I took over, Zav was the person that brought me to the club 7 years ago and Zav has helped me so much over the past 2 years to become the owner for which I am extremely grateful to him. Zav is a huge fan of Swindon Town Football Club and is determined to help in every possible way that he can to do the very best for this great Club. He is going to be a very important part of the Club going forward. Obviously, being based in Australia, I cannot be here for large parts of the season and I feel it is very important that we have a fully committed Vice Chairman to represent the club in my absence.

Most unfortunately, Zav was the victim of a brutal, cowardly and wholly unprovoked attack two months ago by two thugs which hospitalised him and, to make it all the more despicable, the attack was carried out in front of his 12 year old daughter who was traumatised by such an event. There really are no words to describe such disgraceful, disgusting and utterly criminal behaviour, for which there should be no place in a decent and civilised society. It is therefore to be hoped that the persons responsible will feel the fullest force of the law and receive all appropriate justice in due course. Fortunately, Zav is now very much on the mend and will be sitting next to me at the first home game on Saturday.


Zav is one of so many people I want to profusely thank. What has happened over the last 3 weeks has amazed me; I already knew what a great Club this was but the support I have had since the takeover went through has been beyond anything I could ever have imagined. Every single person within the Club has gone so far above and beyond what one would normally expect; the togetherness and the desire to turn this Club around is a theme running vigorously through the whole of it and gives me so much belief that we are going to do something very special together. One, of probably a hundred, examples I can give was when I was in the Club building the other night at 11 pm and I saw Ricky Mcfarlane (Head of Strength & Conditioning) leaving the building. I asked why he was still here and he said he had been preparing the players’ breakfasts for the morning. That sums up the fantastic attitude that everyone at the Club has, with everybody mucking in, everybody doing whatever it takes, giving absolutely everything to help us be successful.

I also have to say a huge, and I mean truly huge, ‘THANK YOU’ to all our supporters; it has honestly blown me, and everyone within the club, away. The support you have given us already, has been incredible. Saturday was one of the best days of my life. I know we won’t win every week and, to be honest, I did not think we would win that first game as most of the squad had only had a 2 week pre-season and had to get to know new staff. This made it even more special but that is why I am here, for moments and days like last Saturday. I know that every match day will not be like that and we will of course have our highs and lows, as every club does, but while our stated aim for this season is to stabilise the Club, remain in League 2 and provide a sound platform for the future, I have so much faith in everybody within and around the Club and our truly incredible supporters that, who knows, we might just surprise people!

Season tickets are flying, especially when you consider most of them have been bought out of the shop window; shirt sales are flying too; we are all turning it around already!

It’s been a long time since we’ve had our magnificent fans in The County Ground, so let’s get behind Ben and the boys and blow the roof off on Saturday!

WE’VE GOT OUR SWINDON BACK.

Clem


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:43:37
Did Clem’s initial statement not state that Austin would be on the shadow board? Now he’s coming in as Vice chairman.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:47:06
Fair points JJ. I have probably been unfairly swayed by the conviction links that may or may not pertain to him. Also re the ex-Power links I was talking to someone about this and he reminded me that Clem is effectively an ex-Power man so perhaps we need to cut them some slack until we know and hear more about him.
Knowing Power, though, he would only invite somebody into the club that he was fairly certain was a bit of a kindred spirit - he wouldn’t want anyone asking questions as to various practices.

Presume Clem was attractive because of the £1.1m and he then quickly fucked him over and cut him out if the STFC loop.

I cant believe Clem would jeopardise all his good work the past 3 weeks. Just why did he include the assault bit in that statement. Weird.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 13, 2021, 14:47:36
Did Clem’s initial statement not state that Austin would be on the shadow board? Now he’s coming in as Vice chairman.

Correct. I imagine it was always the plan to have Austin on the main board though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 13, 2021, 15:09:55
Some good editing work here



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Friday, August 13, 2021, 15:12:43
So many contributions using phrases like 'I imagine'. Ask the questions, absolutely, but don't imagine your own answers. That's how we go downhill. Wait for the answers  which will surely come.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 13, 2021, 15:13:33
such a thing would potentially appear on the EFL checks anyway as it is one of the few things they do worry about.

It's come to light recently that the EFL basically just checks to see if you have access to funds and makes very little moral judgement. Which is how Lee Power was allowed to take us over after being involved in the downfall of Luton, Rushden and Diamonds and Cambridge, one would assume.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 13, 2021, 15:14:49

I'd put a pretty confident bet on Zaver/Zavier/Xavier being the same bloke.

no judgement on this bloke just yet but its all a bit Jed McCoy/ Jed McRory/ Jed McCrory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, August 13, 2021, 16:45:34
Fair enough! Just a lifelong fan sat here watching what looks like a rather strange personality cult forming and wondering why no-one is asking what seems to be a fairly glaring question.

As someone said earlier, I can't imagine someone with Rob Angus' business background getting into bed with a (potentially) convicted criminal, so lets just hope they have done their homework and haven't been blinded by baubles and access to the club that we all love.

hiya Lee, how's Rochdale looking?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:26:55
Why Lee?! I've literally said this bloke's connection to Power is one of the reasons I'm worried!

It seems blindingly obvious to me that the Trust (and the club) have a question to answer here. Once answered satisfactorily we can all focus on the season ahead. But today was a massively worrying development in my opinion, and Morfuni's first mistake. If nothing else, and all these hypotheses are wrong, the statement was bizarre. Why is a story about a man getting beaten up going out on the Club's headed paper unless there are insinuations that it is relevant?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:36:38
OK, Dolph.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:42:14
I have 10500+ posts and have similar concerns. Concerns that can hopefully be alleviated in time.

As I said previously, I hate not being able to take everything at face value. It's Lee Power's fault.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:42:44
I have 10500+ posts and have similar concerns. Concerns that can hopefully be alleviated in time.

As I said previously, I hate not being able to take everything at face value. It's Lee Power's fault.
100% this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:47:08
There are certainly questions to be answered and i will be really shocked if they are not answered soon enough. As fans i think we have every single right to ask these questions and not jump down the throat of anyone who asks them or has concerns. I will reserve judgement on the guy and see what unfolds, the one weird saving grace is that based on the attack i'd imagine (sorry Iffy) he isn't close to Power any more


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:54:44
Thanks guys. It wasn't helpful when everyone dug into their trenches as either 'Happy Clappers' or 'The Power Out Brigade' last time round. Can we not just be Swindon Town fans wanting the best for our club? No one should be shot down for asking questions when there are questions to be asked, particularly when the club and Trust have invited them through their open and transparent mantra.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, August 13, 2021, 18:04:46
Thanks guys. It wasn't helpful when everyone dug into their trenches as either 'Happy Clappers' or 'The Power Out Brigade' last time round. Can we not just be Swindon Town fans wanting the best for our club? No one should be shot down for asking questions when there are questions to be asked, particularly when the club and Trust have invited them through their open and transparent mantra.
Totally agree with this and you are right but I also think we need to be realistic in our timings. I have seen people demanding answers etc straight away. Let's just see what happens


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Friday, August 13, 2021, 18:30:27
Thanks guys. It wasn't helpful when everyone dug into their trenches as either 'Happy Clappers' or 'The Power Out Brigade' last time round. Can we not just be Swindon Town fans wanting the best for our club? No one should be shot down for asking questions when there are questions to be asked, particularly when the club and Trust have invited them through their open and transparent mantra.
Agree and I am sure the answers will come.  I think 99% of the fan base wanted Power out so I don't think trenches were needed


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, August 13, 2021, 19:07:37
Didn’t expect to have so much to read about this today. Agree with Rich’s and WMS1879’s concerns. I was hoping we’d moved on from any links to the south London mafia. Now the club actually needs to walk the big talk about transparency. Including why this Austin figure from Beckenham is a dedicated STFC fan, and why they felt it was relevant to include the information about the beating in an announcement about his appointment to the board. It’s almost as if that was included for other eyes than the fans, but it hardly inspires confidence.

The honeymoon is heading for its first big test, and it’s entirely of the new owner’s making. Clumsy comms just before our first home game and while they’re begging for season ticket subs, but we’re right to be wary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, August 13, 2021, 19:27:45
Didn’t expect to have so much to read about this today. Agree with Rich’s and WMS1879’s concerns. I was hoping we’d moved on from any links to the south London mafia. Now the club actually needs to walk the big talk about transparency. Including why this Austin figure from Beckenham is a dedicated STFC fan, and why they felt it was relevant to include the information about the beating in an announcement about his appointment to the board. It’s almost as if that was included for other eyes than the fans, but it hardly inspires confidence.

The honeymoon is heading for its first big test, and it’s entirely of the new owner’s making. Clumsy comms just before our first home game and while they’re begging for season ticket subs, but we’re right to be wary.

100% this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, August 13, 2021, 19:39:52
Deep breath, this could be a long post.

Some worrying revelations this afternoon and I’ve been dipping in and out of the forum trying to make some sense of it all and I’m not sure I have however.

Feel free to correct me as this seems to be a recent popular trend 😉

Clem said that he was sponsoring Harrow Borough through someone he knew after attending some international games whilst over in England/Europe on business. After this he was then introduced to P. Lower and that’s where his association with the Town began, so I deduce that this Austin Chappy ‘may’ be the conduit for either the HB sponsorship or the Town investment.

Could it be that Austin was roughed up by as yet un-named tossers (who were they and why), because he nailed his colours to a different mast than the assailants & their paymasters? Could it be he also helped nail a certain individual or individuals in ways not yet clear or in the public domain because he felt responsible for the outcome of a certain introduction which had gone horribly wrong? It also may be that he does have what could only be described at this point as a possibly chequered past, however, Clem and the trust seem happy with this appointment. I agree that there needs to be some sort of clarification on this matter sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, August 13, 2021, 19:46:07
Adds a bit of niggling uncertainty Swindon fans could well do without.

Hopeful more information will be divulged by the trust or the club at some point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 13, 2021, 19:47:40
The timing of the statement on the clubs website seems strange unless Clem has done it on purpose to get things out in the open.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:09:51
Mr Austin's aforementioned horse: https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/3601919/power-il-topo/form

Power Il Topo translates from Italian as Power the mouse/rat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:11:57
Mr Austin's aforementioned horse: https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/3601919/power-il-topo/form

Power Il Topo translates from Italian as Power the mouse/rat.

As in Topo Gigio.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:25:24
Not going into the details but know the history to all of this.
As said previously more to come out in the fullness of time and not going to post on a forum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:31:20
Not going into the details but know the history to all of this.
As said previously more to come out in the fullness of time and not going to post on a forum.

Interesting times ahead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:32:08
Not going into the details but know the history to all of this.
As said previously more to come out in the fullness of time and not going to post on a forum.


Honestly, why say anything?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:36:21
Interesting times ahead.
Interesting times ahead.

Only challenge we have right now is avoiding points deductions.
You don’t get choices when it comes to football ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: cheltred69 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:37:11
Don’t think there’s any doubt that our man is the money launderer. The clipping that someone pasted earlier puts him at exactly the right age, suggesting the bbc report had his age wrong.
Also did a search for Zaver and Zavier Austin on Ancestry.com which returned just one result in UK, a Zaver Ruby Austin born Bromley in Q3 1970.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:41:54
Let's lose this negativity we've only been happy for three weeks  :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:42:23
Not going into the details but know the history to all of this.
As said previously more to come out in the fullness of time and not going to post on a forum.


I’ve also heard this.
Might hear something next week, possible the week after. At some point in the future definitely.
Just have to see what’s happens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: AMayesIng on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:47:45
We havent even played our first home game yet and this shit comes out of the woodwork. Very weird statement to be on the official website. Trying to stay optimistic, but concerning stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:49:08
https://courtnewsuk.co.uk/a-fall-guy-who-helped-run-a-pnds-stlg-12-5-milli/

This report about the same case has Austin at 34 when the crime was committed, which makes it looks like the BBC report had his age wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:49:15
It's as if the website has been hacked!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:50:37
Quote from: TheDukeOfBanbury
Not going into the details but know the history to all of this.
As said previously more to come out in the fullness of time and not going to post on a forum.

more to come out about the new regime.
or more to come out about power.

or both?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:52:14
Absolutely gutted to be raking over this ahead of a game we've all looked forward to for 18 months, but much better to stick our hand in the air and ask the question now before further potential damage is done. Interesting given the lightning response time of the Trust on literally any social media post for the last month or so that this has been left hanging, and also interesting that it is the only statement the club has made that hasn't been shared on their official social media channels, as someone pointed out earlier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, August 13, 2021, 20:54:37
Absolutely gutted to be raking over this ahead of a game we've all looked forward to for 18 months, but much better to stick our hand in the air and ask the question now before further potential damage is done. Interesting given the lightning response time of the Trust on literally any social media post for the last month or so that this has been left hanging, and also interesting that it is the only statement the club has made that hasn't been shared on their official social media channels, as someone pointed out earlier.

The Trust in my opinion don’t know the full facts.
Let’s just enjoy what we have for now but clearly you know more than most and the connections.
No more from me. Looking forward to a new beginning.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wisemensay1879 on Friday, August 13, 2021, 21:00:15
I don't know anything! I just googled the bloke when he first appeared in Clem's original statement and didn't like what I found and it has been nagging me ever since. Today's announcement prompted me to share my concerns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, August 13, 2021, 23:23:57
More concerned about the concerns than the concern itself.

We are Swindon fans. We need to be concerned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 00:00:03
Given everything else that is happening - a quality CEO who is Swindon to the core - the 99% positivity from everything about the new regime - I'm not going to let one press release bring me down and fully intend to enjoy the moment.

Scunthorpe was up there with some of the best away days I've had (and there have been many) and I'm more than willing to give Clem the benefit of the doubt, including how we've managed to sign a midfield that looks totally out of place in the 4th division. (On paper!)

I'm naturally sceptical, but if you can't enjoy this, then why fucking bother.  Come on you cunts, stop your bitching we've just signed Jonny Williams FFS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 04:09:30
My observation of Australian males is interesting especially in business.
They will f#ck each other over till one bleeds to near death and then when its over or on Friday night offer to share a beer or three. But, Monday morning start all over again. This time they call each other "Mates" and openly f@ck each other business wise that is.
But wait, when another supposed "mate" comes from say Queensland, South Australia or god forbid New Zealand it's all on again.
The only way to beat an Aussie is to keep your foot on his throat and don't take your eyes off his. Which Power obviously didn't. 
But, Australians tend to be proud of their supposed fair play, fair dinkum reputation and stand up for the under dog and I'll help you out "mate" and they generally will. 
I am hoping that Aussie Clem is as good as he has first seemed and Austin have become good "mates" which Morfuni is purposely showing with Austin sitting with him on Saturday and allowing him to become his right hand man.
Suggest this is to show unity between the two of them and "The king is dead Long live the king."
I don't really want to think if I am wrong !!!
If i am correct and I sincerely hope I am STFC could benefit big time.   
Good luck tomorrow COYMRs
       


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 04:59:58
I have 10500+ posts and have similar concerns. Concerns that can hopefully be alleviated in time.

As I said previously, I hate not being able to take everything at face value. It's Lee Power's fault.

I've got 40bijillion posts over the years. And whilst I can see the joy of getting swept up in what seems to be a sensible progressive modern approach to running stfc, there are a few clem amber alert flags which stop me going full in past what happens each day.

Even if things don't seem to be as great as


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 05:06:58
The old adage that there are no friends in business can be used in any language in any country around the world. As Clem found out as if he didn’t know. So it leads onto the question of what Pee Lower proposed to him for his initial investment? Because and lest we forget that Clem saw his investment as a business opportunity however you look at it on any level.

What Clem didn’t see coming and neither did Standing for that matter (and I suspect others too, which remains to be seen) was what looked like an attempt to, how to put this? Desert a sinking ship with the contents of the pursers office while letting everyone else go down with the ship.

What you can be sure of is that eventually most if not all of the shenanigans will come out, some soon others later. So as it stands we have to take Clem at face value and trust in Aberdeen, The Trust & Clem himself that the ship has made safe harbour and the repairs to it structurally, reputation & image wise will be quickly dealt with. Don’t ever forget Clem came on board to make money, so did Barry and Standing and possibly others. Then and only then can the good ship Swindon Town FC be relaunched and sail towards what us as fans hope to be a bright future.

In summary, the poacher has turned gamekeeper. Let’s hope it stays that way. I’m all in and invested with ST when the monthly option kicks off next week possibly two shirts today, fingers crossed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 05:07:25
I have 10500+ posts and have similar concerns. Concerns that can hopefully be alleviated in time.

As I said previously, I hate not being able to take everything at face value. It's Lee Power's fault.

I've got 40bijillion posts over the years. And whilst I can see the joy of getting swept up in what seems to be a sensible progressive modern approach to running stfc, there are a few clem amber alert flags which stop me going full in future enthusiasm mode.

I'm hopeful that even if it isn't the dream we hope for, it's better than what we've had.

I do wish the trust had stayed a bit more separate though. Power had to go, and the absolute travesty of how things were being handled when he knew his time was up shows his absolute disregard for the club. But I worry that with the trust aligning themselves with clem we have no where to go if he turns out to be another Terry Brady or any other disappointment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 05:46:18
Given everything else that is happening - a quality CEO who is Swindon to the core - the 99% positivity from everything about the new regime - I'm not going to let one press release bring me down and fully intend to enjoy the moment.

Scunthorpe was up there with some of the best away days I've had (and there have been many) and I'm more than willing to give Clem the benefit of the doubt, including how we've managed to sign a midfield that looks totally out of place in the 4th division. (On paper!)

I'm naturally sceptical, but if you can't enjoy this, then why fucking bother.  Come on you cunts, stop your bitching we've just signed Jonny Williams FFS.

Spot on.
Been enough doom around for a long time and all part of the DNA at Swindon.
We know a further court case is pending and we are not out of the clear of potential wrong-doings.

Just focusing on football now and buzzing for today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 10:05:14
Nice touch naming The Town End ‘The Alan McLoughlin Town End’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Super Hans on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 10:08:29
Nice touch naming The Town End ‘The Alan McLoughlin Town End’

Before my time but everyone speaks so highly of him, Swindon and Pompey fans especially.

Great move.
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 10:11:55
Nice touch naming The Town End ‘The Alan McLoughlin Town End’
Thats great to see, I did mention this to Clem a couple of weeks back about naming a stand or suite after him, didn't think he would act so quickly, even if its a temporary thing.

Well done Clem, Alan Mac was a great player and club servant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 10:15:51
Thats great to see, I did mention this to Clem a couple of weeks back about naming a stand or suite after him, didn't think he would act so quickly, even if its a temporary thing.

Well done Clem, Alan Mac was a great player and club servant.

Seconded. Lovely touch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 10:40:29
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/town-rename-town-end-to-honour-the-late-great-alan-mcloughlin/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Saturday, August 14, 2021, 10:48:54
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/town-rename-town-end-to-honour-the-late-great-alan-mcloughlin/

I’m not only loving the whole idea, it’s of course a very fitting tribute, but also the amount of effort that’s gone into that statement. Great to hear about the 10% proceeds going to Prospect and also hearing from Alan Mac’s family. It’s made me feel all warm and fuzzy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 16, 2021, 08:52:34
Bet he hasn't been out driving a van though!

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/wigan-athletic-chairman-talal-al-hammad-on-his-visit-the-fans-his-plans-and-pies-3345564


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, August 16, 2021, 16:33:47
Power no longer a director of Seebeck and Swinton Reds.

The bastard has gone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 17:39:38
a tiny bit of me is looking forward to clem going back to aus for a bit. the pr has been maxed, I am grateful for having a club. Let's see if we still want to be seeing him pouring pints in 2 years time. I really do hope so but would like to start seeing the talk continued on the pitch and off the pitch stadium etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 17:55:15
Some fans have very very short memories under 4 weeks ago we nearly didnt have a club. LP so many issues for Clem and Rob to deal with which they still are and will continue to be dealing with well into 2022. Yet after only a few weeks and only 2 league games your already wishing Clem be back in Oz .. Really are you for real. ? Things may not be perfect but my god the progress in a few weeks has been outstanding..
I can't believe I have read your statement I really cant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 17:59:38
Some fans have very very short memories under 4 weeks ago we nearly didnt have a club. LP so many issues for Clem and Rob to deal with which they still are and will continue to be dealing with well into 2022. Yet after only a few weeks and only 2 league games your already wishing Clem be back in Oz .. Really are you for real. ? Things may not be perfect but my god the progress in a few weeks has been outstanding..
I can't believe I have read your statement I really cant.

No offence but you guys need to step back back from Clem and regain some independence, now he’s in he needs to be treated like any other owner. At the moment it just seems like he can do no wrong no matter what!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 18:05:41
No offence but you guys need to step back back from Clem and regain some independence, now he’s in he needs to be treated like any other owner. At the moment it just seems like he can do no wrong no matter what!

a tiny bit of me is looking forward to clem going back to aus for a bit. the pr has been maxed, I am grateful for having a club. Let's see if we still want to be seeing him pouring pints in 2 years time. I really do hope so but would like to start seeing the talk continued on the pitch and off the pitch stadium etc

Jeez, I know how people who have suffered abuse find it hard to build trust again, but seriously - some perspective?  :headhurts:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 18:09:42
No offence but you guys need to step back back from Clem and regain some independence, now he’s in he needs to be treated like any other owner. At the moment it just seems like he can do no wrong no matter what!
We are holding him to account I can assure you and I think if you read what I said it was that I cannot believe fans are moaning already. I also said things are not perfect and lots to be put right and we continue to hold clem and tob to account on all this  I wont comment any further on this. Enjoy the game tonight



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 18:11:17
Some fans have very very short memories under 4 weeks ago we nearly didnt have a club. LP so many issues for Clem and Rob to deal with which they still are and will continue to be dealing with well into 2022. Yet after only a few weeks and only 2 league games your already wishing Clem be back in Oz .. Really are you for real. ? Things may not be perfect but my god the progress in a few weeks has been outstanding..
I can't believe I have read your statement I really cant.


iv hardly said anything earth shattering. I said a tiny bit. I'm having haunted memories of Jed pouring pints. for me the pr has been maxed and I'm looking forward to see it happening.

iv bought a season ticket for the first time in 20 years. I wouldn't have done that without all the success of the takeover and promises.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 19:23:57
We are holding him to account I can assure you and I think if you read what I said it was that I cannot believe fans are moaning already. I also said things are not perfect and lots to be put right and we continue to hold clem and tob to account on all this  I wont comment any further on this. Enjoy the game tonight

I think the bottom line is, there is a rather glaring issue that has come up. This is a time when a number of fans will really need the Trust. You guys have been incredibly quick to answer everything so far (regardless of the day of week); you know all of those cluttering things like "Can we have Bovril back?", "I'm worried about the scarves having overlocked stitching instead of embroidered stitch as it plays havoc with my eczema" and "Will I be able to have a piss in the Stratton Bank this season if not please ask the stewards if they'll be ok handing out SheWee containers?"...which is all nice that the Trust are addressing those many trivial matters.

Although they are probably fucking annoying things in all honesty, yet as soon as someone has suggested "How come you can't meet a potentially convicted money launderer-cum-drug mule (who is potentially going to be appointed VC) before the EFL have done their F&PPT?" It seems like the initial response is to go on the defensive? But why though? It's totally out of character to every bit of progress done so far. Why is this matter so different?

As I said, this is a time when a number of fans are asking for guidance and reassurance so at present (and it doesn't matter if that is one fan or one thousand), the Trust is appearing to fail them. I'm pretty certain a lot of people do have perspective and think that the Trust have done a sterling job so far - myself included. We can be capable of both lauding praise upon what has been done so far but also raise concern in areas that matter and I mean areas that really do matter.

For what it's worth and it is a possibility... a nice press release saying what a lovely man he is after meeting him in Fortnum & Mason's and that he bought everyone Petit Fours and Earl Grey will probably not cut it (although I'm sure the sandwiches will be very nice). I personally don't think that is going to have everyone throwing on a frilly STFC branded bonnet, sucking their thumb and becoming all doe-eyed.

Ffs, I wasn't going to bother commenting on the matter but you guys appear to keep on digging a hole. I'm expecting an announcement for fans to come and help dig said hole next.

HT 0 - 0


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 19:30:49
Well this thread title has now aged...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 19:36:13
Well this thread title has now aged...

Peak STFC. Be calling for the managers head next :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 19:36:53
So it looks like WMS1879 has succeeded in his objective.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 19:53:28
Peak STFC. Be calling for the managers head next :D

GARNER OUT  ;)

So it looks like WMS1879 has succeeded in his objective.

Such an easy throwaway comment.

I'm assuming you have zero concerns regarding Mr. Z Austin then? I seem to remember how people got ostracized for having concerns about both Jed Bloated Lionface and Tony Tucker...I've got a terrible feeling...it's happening again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 20:50:03
Concerns about Austin or not, that is not how this evenings topic went, you were the only one that brought that into the mix.

And let's just say it comes out of the woodwork that Austin has a coloured past, what would you like to happen?  Clem sell up?

All anyone is saying is, at least enjoy having a club for a few months before we revert to typical Swindon fan mode that the end is imminent..  As everyone has said, let's focus on the football, let the court case run it's course, see how the club is organised in 6 months time and then start asking pertinent questions if anything feels a miss.  At that point, if it does, I am sure that the Trust will raise it as a concern.

Clem is the owner, he can make his own decisions, the Trust will challenge that if needed, if it becomes a reality.

Enjoy it while it lasts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 21:00:06
Concerns about Austin or not, that is not how this evenings topic went, you were the only one that brought that into the mix.

And let's just say it comes out of the woodwork that Austin has a coloured past, what would you like to happen?  Clem sell up?

All anyone is saying is, at least enjoy having a club for a few months before we revert to typical Swindon fan mode that the end is imminent..  As everyone has said, let's focus on the football, let the court case run it's course, see how the club is organised in 6 months time and then start asking pertinent questions if anything feels a miss.  At that point, if it does, I am sure that the Trust will raise it as a concern.

Clem is the owner, he can make his own decisions, the Trust will challenge that if needed, if it becomes a reality.

Enjoy it while it lasts

Well said


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 21:01:50
It’s not just about Austin. Clem gave £1.1m to Power when he was in charge. I am not suggesting anything untoward, but that is always going to raise question marks because if you’re happy doing business with Power at those stakes then either you are a bit of an easy mark or there’s more to it than meets the eye.

Fans’ Trusts should always be sceptics, not fanboys, of owners. They have done a great job helping the Club move on from Power. It would be lovely to think we will all ride off in the sunset together. However, we all know EFL, and particularly STFC, owners well enough that we need them to turn a sceptical eye on our new incumbents.

Edit: and I say that with admiration of what Clem and Rob Angus have managed to do over the past few weeks by implementing a proper management structure, some good signings  and generating interest in the team again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 21:02:21
Concerns about Austin or not, that is not how this evenings topic went, you were the only one that brought that into the mix.

And let's just say it comes out of the woodwork that Austin has a coloured past, what would you like to happen?  Clem sell up?

All anyone is saying is, at least enjoy having a club for a few months before we revert to typical Swindon fan mode that the end is imminent..  As everyone has said, let's focus on the football, let the court case run it's course, see how the club is organised in 6 months time and then start asking pertinent questions if anything feels a miss.  At that point, if it does, I am sure that the Trust will raise it as a concern.

Clem is the owner, he can make his own decisions, the Trust will challenge that if needed, if it becomes a reality.

Enjoy it while it lasts

This is what i was insinuating but it made Jan speechless. When Clem returns we can start to focus on the real day to day Swindon and judge the owners by their actions going forward.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 21:16:52
Concerns about Austin or not, that is not how this evenings topic went, you were the only one that brought that into the mix.

And let's just say it comes out of the woodwork that Austin has a coloured past, what would you like to happen?  Clem sell up?

All anyone is saying is, at least enjoy having a club for a few months before we revert to typical Swindon fan mode that the end is imminent..  As everyone has said, let's focus on the football, let the court case run it's course, see how the club is organised in 6 months time and then start asking pertinent questions if anything feels a miss.  At that point, if it does, I am sure that the Trust will raise it as a concern.

Clem is the owner, he can make his own decisions, the Trust will challenge that if needed, if it becomes a reality.

Enjoy it while it lasts

Berni, I totally appreciate and respect your comments as always.

Austin, unless I'm mistaken is the main reason for people's concerns and why we have been talking about the proposed appointment no? Is also LL then not just as culpable as WMS1879 by accusing the poster of "succeeding in his objective". Whilst I agree there might be a different way of going about things, is WMS opinion not valued as much as any other fan? We've already established that several posters (old and new) have also raised concerns. Some have been more vocal about it than others.

Well now you are just assuming further actions that not one person has stated on here. No one has said that (regarding Clem selling up). All people have queried is why the Trust have been so quick to answer everything to date but on this they've become very coy and then defensive. Is that not odd? Maybe I'm wrong to think that.

I'm certain that people are more than intelligent enough though to do both (or several) things...like enjoying having a club to support, raise their concerns with the off-field (at whatever point they wish) and be pleased with the on-field. Or are people no longer capable of this?

Yes I agree, maybe some time should be allowed to pass. It would seem reasonable. However, I am not everyone and each one of us will have a different "meter" on what that is. Of course naturally, some will have a consensus of time frame.

This is true, and he can  of course but I think there is doubt creeping in with the latter statement. Will they certainly challenge? Or are they too far in bed with the new owner now? It feels a little like they've whacked every available egg into Clem's basket.

Oh I'll certainly enjoy on the pitch if it's going well but as I stated at the top, why should that stop me (or whoever else) querying off the pitch? :)

It'll all come out in the wash-bag :)

NB:
Just noticed BBC Wilts played UB40 - Higher Ground and 4 Non Blondes - Whats Up?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 21:37:11
AFAIC WMS1879 came on to stir the shit pot and create divisions within the fan base. Oh sure he has raised questions, however, do any of you think those questions, allegations, insinuations, nods, winks and innuendo wouldn’t have surfaced anyway? Of course not, you cannot keep things of that nature under wraps for to long, why even in an abstract way the club raised eyebrows and set tongues wagging with the thuggery comments in the Friday statement. After all that the club has been through in my lifetime I’m not getting to worked up over the appointment of individuals, having a club to support is more important. I cannot influence directorships, investments and the running of the club. The only thing I can do is support and pay my money. Until these people are outed as Slaaags, nonces and fackin wrong’uns then I’ll continue to support and pay, when they are I’ll withdraw the oxygen of support and cash to see them off. Over to you Aberdeen, what say you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 21:41:50
We all know that you judge an owner by how he leaves the club, not after a decent interval even, let alone within a few weeks.

Similarly with Zaver.  There is stuff about his background being disseminated that I personally feel uncomfortable about.  He's being lined up as a vice chairman.  There is however nothing I know that tells me whether he will be good or bad in that role inc. what he may have done outside of football 20 years ago.

This is a Forum and we shall of course gossip and speculate to our heart's content.  And as and when we choose.

However for now Clem's purchase has edged the club away from disaster, perhaps even extinction.  He faces a whole load of shit on STFCs behalf from the EFL. 

Can we not let him appoint a vice chairman of his choice and secure EFL approval before expecting a full public submission seeking our own approval?

Transparency yes but allow the guy to pick his own team, get official approvals and take a breath first.

On the presumed basis that our club's owner has this time used his own money to buy the shares.








Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 22:10:46
Can we not let him appoint a vice chairman of his choice and secure EFL approval before expecting a full public submission seeking our own approval?

100% - as long as that person has not spent time in prison. The Trust get all the credit for saving the club. I’d imagine they’re as unnerved about Austin as we are. Having someone like Austin as vice chair was not part of the Morfuni manifesto, nor was the absence of consultation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 00:43:03
Clem Morfuni game could easily be

Keep close to your friends. However keep very much closer to your enemies!!!.

Current situation for STFC with or without the introduction of Austin seems far better than a month or so ago.

Then it seemed terminal. Now a brighter future looks possible.

The key to moving forward surely is Rob Angus. A true Swindon supporter and now CEO he must have privilaged information from above. Should Rob throw his toys out of the cot everyone will know for sure there is a major coming.

Until then really suggest everyone straps themselves in and enjoy the ride. 

COYMRs



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 06:28:09
Clem Morfuni game could easily be

Keep close to your friends. However keep very much closer to your enemies!!!.

Current situation for STFC with or without the introduction of Austin seems far better than a month or so ago.

Then it seemed terminal. Now a brighter future looks possible.

The key to moving forward surely is Rob Angus. A true Swindon supporter and now CEO he must have privilaged information from above. Should Rob throw his toys out of the cot everyone will know for sure there is a major coming.

Until then really suggest everyone straps themselves in and enjoy the ride.  

COYMRs



The key to moving forward surely is Rob Angus. A true Swindon supporter and now CEO he must have privilaged information from above. Should Rob throw his toys out of the cot everyone will know for sure there is a major coming.

Exactly this, which is why I have said ‘over to you Aberdeen’ that is the litmus test, unless he has been ‘bought’ in which I’d be very, very, very surprised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: AMayesIng on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 08:08:57
100% with LL. I found the club statement about ZA a bit 'odd' to say the least; but lets give the new team some time to prove themselves. I trust Rob Angus 100%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 08:49:17
It's one hell of a lot of pressure to be put on Rob Angus as CEO with his proven history and passion of supporting STFC

Just hope the Board / Shareholders (whoever they maybe) are genuine and sincere.

Without pissing on anyone's parade here Have just watch this below and wish I hadn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgTCXpDEgk      :crash:

   


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 08:53:12
I watched that documentary last night. It's scary the lengths these people go to to get involved in football clubs. I know people ask 'why would someone want to get involved in a football club', well sadly it's a way to get dirty money cleaned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 09:39:27
The Football league will be aware of these dodgy deals now.
And if this is in fact happening at Swindon and "we" must accept it is a big possibility.
What next, the EFL can't simply make an example of Swindon like in the past.
There seems so many examples of corruption that the EFL must look internally for answers moving forward.   
Why the hell did Clem Morfuni make that strange statement Re Austin last week only he will know.
Now is not the time to make assumptions. It's time to enjoy the football and enjoy.
COYMRs   
     


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 09:48:42
I watched that documentary last night. It's scary the lengths these people go to to get involved in football clubs. I know people ask 'why would someone want to get involved in a football club', well sadly it's a way to get dirty money cleaned.
And this unfortunately this is why Austin needs to be a big talking point whether people like it or not as he has actually got a conviction for money laundering. Whether he is ‘reformed’ or not it doesn’t look good for the club and even more questions will be asked about the competence of the EFL if he is passed as a director. I just don’t see how he can be deemed fit and proper so then what happens will be the next question as he obviously holds a lot of influence over Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 09:56:39
And this unfortunately this is why Austin needs to be a big talking point whether people like it or not as he has actually got a conviction for money laundering. Whether he is ‘reformed’ or not it doesn’t look good for the club and even more questions will be asked about the competence of the EFL if he is passed as a director. I just don’t see how he can be deemed fit and proper so then what happens will be the next question as he obviously holds a lot of influence over Clem.

I agree with this. As DOB seemed to imply on the Austin thread there is something a bit more deep routed. Perhaps for Power to agree to any takeover (fully aware the court basically told him to sell up) Austin had to be part of the ongoing board in some shape or form? I genuinely don't know but will of course be watching to see how this plays out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kent_Red on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 11:12:53
Power no longer a director of Seebeck and Swinton Reds.

The bastard has gone
Not quite - he's still a director of Swindon Town Football Company Ltd which is ultimately the operating company of the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 11:47:41
Not quite - he's still a director of Swindon Town Football Company Ltd which is ultimately the operating company of the club

Bromley way?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kent_Red on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 11:54:08
Bromley way?  :sherlock:
Yep!  I'm not Xavier Austin though just to clarify!  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:04:53
Yep!  I'm not Xavier Austin though just to clarify!  :D

Which is exactly what Xavier Austin would say.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:07:18
Exactly.  Blatant self-incrimination!

Burn the witch!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:21:54
Quote from: Kent_Red
Quote
Bromley way?  :sherlock:
Yep!  I'm not Xavier Austin though just to clarify!  :D

but are you Xaver Austin🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:22:38
Yep!  I'm not Xavier Austin though just to clarify!  :D

But perhaps you know a bit about the local scene, and its "characters"...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:29:20
Yep!  I'm not Xavier Austin though just to clarify!  :D

Nor are you Spartacus I expect.

You’re not WMS1879 in disguise are you per chance? 😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kent_Red on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:55:21
But perhaps you know a bit about the local scene, and its "characters"...
Afraid not.  First I'd ever heard of him was last week in the press release.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, August 19, 2021, 02:28:07
Where's Wobert, Weginald, Wupert or where's f@cking Brian ???    :)
Just remember, Always look on the bright side of life !!!!
 :bye:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, August 20, 2021, 18:17:31
Interesting read about Rochdale

https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/08/9900/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Friday, August 20, 2021, 18:28:25
Interesting read about Rochdale

https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/08/9900/

Wow. They seem to be in at least as precarious situation as we were, albeit without a potential buyer who was not universally hated as the consortium trying to take over Rochdale appear to be waiting in the wings.

Can’t see how Andy Curran can possibly expect to take over Rochdale with this amount of opposition. Just give it up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, August 20, 2021, 20:04:09
Interesting read about Rochdale

https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/08/9900/
Sounds very suspect.   Maybe purchase has been made with cash that was previously being spent elsewhere !!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Friday, August 20, 2021, 20:39:16
I am going to be completely honest, but the stuff with clem being here be there being fucking everywhere is really starting to get a bit tedious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, August 20, 2021, 20:49:29
I am going to be completely honest, but the stuff with clem being here be there being fucking everywhere is really starting to get a bit tedious.

Would you prefer the previous regime who was not seen for months on end?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, August 20, 2021, 20:51:18
Is there a position somewhere in between?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, August 20, 2021, 21:21:21
I am going to be completely honest, but the stuff with clem being here be there being fucking everywhere is really starting to get a bit tedious.
The one in the cherry picker wearing shorts and no helmet was a nonsense I’ll agree there. If he actually went up to roof level wearing that the contractor will probably be getting a visit from the health and safety executive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, August 21, 2021, 10:36:34
Looks like Andy Curran is pulling out of Rochdale


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, August 21, 2021, 10:37:09
Maybe he should've pulled out of his wife too.

WAHEY.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, August 21, 2021, 10:40:30
Looks like Andy Curran is pulling out of Rochdale

Making way for Lee Power *cough* ABLE *cough,cough* Company *wheeze* LLC *cough* to look like some form of saviour?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Sunday, August 22, 2021, 17:04:09
I am going to be completely honest, but the stuff with clem being here be there being fucking everywhere is really starting to get a bit tedious.
Why?

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, August 22, 2021, 17:15:37
Sippo being a miserable bastard…normality really is returning  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 22, 2021, 17:17:18
if I'm honest the 100 tweets an hour did get on my nerves.

Then I turned off notifications and all is well :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, August 22, 2021, 22:47:59
I had to turn notifications off too.

ASD is doing a good job on the socials but there's definitely an argument that it could be toned down a tad.

If that's all we've got to moan about at the moment then happy days!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Monday, August 23, 2021, 07:35:03
I am going to be completely honest, but the stuff with clem being here be there being fucking everywhere is really starting to get a bit tedious.

Don't worry, he'll be back in Oz soon enough and then you won't hear from him for a while


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, August 23, 2021, 07:44:08
Don't worry, he'll be back in Oz soon enough and then you won't hear from him for a while
I think that's the thing.

They are trying to maximise the feel good factor and market the club. Taking every opportunity to bring funds into the club is totally understandable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, August 23, 2021, 07:53:16
I am going to be completely honest, but the stuff with clem being here be there being fucking everywhere is really starting to get a bit tedious.

A - don't read it then
B - the club really needed something like this to happen, can't believe something are moaning about it so soon. Actually,  I can.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, August 23, 2021, 08:58:36
Sippo being a miserable bastard…normality really is returning  :D
:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Monday, August 23, 2021, 09:04:36
A - don't read it then
B - the club really needed something like this to happen, can't believe something are moaning about it so soon. Actually,  I can.

 :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 15:57:22
I know it's been mentioned on here recently so apologies for my inability to trawl through all the threads. So, who knows where I can get a replica of the late 80's LLG Spall kit? My favourite shirt and want one in a size that will fit me now and not my action man!!
Cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 17:44:22
I know it's been mentioned on here recently so apologies for my inability to trawl through all the threads. So, who knows where I can get a replica of the late 80's LLG Spall kit? My favourite shirt and want one in a size that will fit me now and not my action man!!
Cheers

@Limitedretro on twitter.
There is/was a white one on ebay. Not sure if gone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 17:52:23
@Limitedretro on twitter.
There is/was a white one on ebay. Not sure if gone

Thanks, what about if not on twitter?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 17:55:38
@Limitedretro on twitter.
There is/was a white one on ebay. Not sure if gone

Looked on eBay not listed as a Swindon shirt, God knows what else to look under. Somebody mentioned a site that did replica shirts and they had them apparently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 18:02:38
Matchworn Shirts on here might be able to help you :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 18:03:13
there's this one. not sure the colour is 100% mind

https://theterracestore.com/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 18:10:11
I know it's been mentioned on here recently so apologies for my inability to trawl through all the threads. So, who knows where I can get a replica of the late 80's LLG Spall kit? My favourite shirt and want one in a size that will fit me now and not my action man!!
Cheers

Try this. Not got the Spall branding though.

https://theterracestore.com/collections/swindon-town/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 18:41:17
Try this. Not got the Spall branding though.

https://theterracestore.com/collections/swindon-town/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt

That reminds me  have an iron on Spall logo to put on  :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 19:00:39
Try this. Not got the Spall branding though.

https://theterracestore.com/collections/swindon-town/products/swindon-town-1989-home-retro-shirt
Just get a Spall retro one instead

https://twitter.com/limitedretro/status/1427662523294158851?s=21


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 19:26:20
Just get a Spall retro one instead

https://twitter.com/limitedretro/status/1427662523294158851?s=21

Yes that's the one, I don't have a twitter account but you can see without posting. Do I need an account to contact them?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 11:23:09
Arkells stand renamed the John Trollope Arkells Stand


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 12:08:19
Arkells stand renamed the John Trollope Arkells Stand

That’s good news.

Just need the toilet block in the bank to be named after Sheridan now :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 12:15:55
That’s good news.

Just need the toilet block in the bank to be named after Sheridan now :)

'John Sheridan Memorial Urinal' as a brass plaque proudly affixed to the channel all the piss flows down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 13:30:27
Have we still got the Power v Standing court case to look forward to next month? Or has that been shelved in light of the club takeover?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 13:43:19
Have we still got the Power v Standing court case to look forward to next month? Or has that been shelved in light of the club takeover?

Unless Standing is somewhere in the background with Clem cannot see any reason why it would be shelved as the crux of the matter is Power potentially owes Standing a shitload of cash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 13:47:52
Thought it may have been ironed out as part of the takeover. As it stands, he is only entitled to 50% of the £212,500 Power got for the club. I know he reckons he’s owed about £3m but no idea how he’s going to get that out of Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 13:49:24
The court case next month is huge for us. That could be the reason we do or don’t get a points deduction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 14:09:53
The court case next month is huge for us. That could be the reason we do or don’t get a points deduction.

I’m not really in the loop with this. Can you explain why


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 14:32:05
I’m not really in the loop with this. Can you explain why

Because of Standing's involvement in the club. He was an agent at the time he got involved, which breaks the rules.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 15:17:08
Thought it may have been ironed out as part of the takeover. As it stands, he is only entitled to 50% of the £212,500 Power got for the club. I know he reckons he’s owed about £3m but no idea how he’s going to get that out of Power.

Its way beyond my area of expertise but I suspect a starting point will be that Power was supposed to be holding the shares in 'trust' for Standing/Barry and has somehow managed to sell them for a vastly reduced price....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 26, 2021, 15:22:56
Will there be a paper trail, though? Judging on Power’s history it’s all likely to be a nod and a wink stuff - he said, she said. Standing did, indeed, get paid a certain amount of his slice of whatever their arrangement was. I wonder how that money was accounted for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, August 27, 2021, 12:46:32
The club has just made my piss boil for the first time since the takeover, however trivial this is, it has royally fucked me off - and I have been very relaxed about everything that has been going on due to the situation and the amount of work that they have had to do and problems that they have had to fix, but this is the first time that I have felt that my willingness for understanding of the situtation has come back to bite me on the arse.

I pre-ordered 2 shirts the day after they were released for me and my boy.  The following week I was seeing everyone getting their pre-orders delivered but no sign of mine - I left it a week due to the understandble challenges, still no shirts - in the meantime everyone was going to the shop to buy theirs, which of course I could have done.

Sent an email to the shop, no reply.  Then I received an email from DHL to say that my delivery was on it's way.  When this delivery didn't turn up, i left it a few days and then contacted DHL - they told me that even though the dispatch had been raised in the system by the club, they hadn't actually handed over the parcel yet.  I contacted the club shop again - no response.  I tried contacting the club on Twitter - no response.  I sent an email to Danny Lee and he replied saying that he would forward on to the Retail team to get it resolved.

About a week later my shirts turn up (this week just gone) after no contact from the club.  There were 2 problems with the shirts..  Both of them had Red dye running into the white panels under the arms, and both of them were ridiculously small for the sizing that had been ordered (this second one is not a club problem, but a puma problem).

I have just driven down to the club shop to get them exchanged for bigger sized, with full knowledge that I will probably have to wait for new stock to arrive as I was fully aware that the current stock of home shirts had sold out.  I was told that no more stock would be coming in and my only option was a refund.

It is now clear to me that my original pre-order was missed, and eventually they got around to my numerous enquiries only to realise that they had run out of stock of the sizes that I wanted so sent me stock that had obvious faults with the red dye on the white panels - in the meantime I have been wasting my time to get the issue resolved.

So now I am in the situation where I can't get hold of the best shirt that we have released for a long time - and the reson for this being that I was giving the club the benefit of the doubt due to the crap that they were having to deal with.  Again, as trivial as it is - it has has seriously fucked me off.

I would have preferred for the club to just contact me, front up, say they fucked up and missed my order and refunded the money - rather than have me wasting my time and energy to get it resolved and then end with the same result.  I felt dirty taking a refund from the club that I want to financially support.

That is my cathartic rant over with - but in normal times I would be raging directly at the club and not to a bunch of blokes on a football forum that really couldn't give a fuck about my 1st world problems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, August 27, 2021, 12:49:36
The club has just made my piss boil for the first time since the takeover, however trivial this is, it has royally fucked me off - and I have been very relaxed about everything that has been going on due to the situation and the amount of work that they have had to do and problems that they have had to fix, but this is the first time that I have felt that my willingness for understanding of the situtation has come back to bite me on the arse.

I pre-ordered 2 shirts the day after they were released for me and my boy.  The following week I was seeing everyone getting their pre-orders delivered but no sign of mine - I left it a week due to the understandble challenges, still no shirts - in the meantime everyone was going to the shop to buy theirs, which of course I could have done.

Sent an email to the shop, no reply.  Then I received an email from DHL to say that my delivery was on it's way.  When this delivery didn't turn up, i left it a few days and then contacted DHL - they told me that even though the dispatch had been raised in the system by the club, they hadn't actually handed over the parcel yet.  I contacted the club shop again - no response.  I tried contacting the club on Twitter - no response.  I sent an email to Danny Lee and he replied saying that he would forward on to the Retail team to get it resolved.

About a week later my shirts turn up (this week just gone) after no contact from the club.  There were 2 problems with the shirts..  Both of them had Red dye running into the white panels under the arms, and both of them were ridiculously small for the sizing that had been ordered (this second one is not a club problem, but a puma problem).

I have just driven down to the club shop to get them exchanged for bigger sized, with full knowledge that I will probably have to wait for new stock to arrive as I was fully aware that the current stock of home shirts had sold out.  I was told that no more stock would be coming in and my only option was a refund.

It is now clear to me that my original pre-order was missed, and eventually they got around to my numerous enquiries only to realise that they had run out of stock of the sizes that I wanted so sent me stock that had obvious faults with the red dye on the white panels - in the meantime I have been wasting my time to get the issue resolved.

So now I am in the situation where I can't get hold of the best shirt that we have released for a long time - and the reson for this being that I was giving the club the benefit of the doubt due to the crap that they were having to deal with.  Again, as trivial as it is - it has has seriously fucked me off.

I would have preferred for the club to just contact me, front up, say they fucked up and missed my order and refunded the money - rather than have me wasting my time and energy to get it resolved and then end with the same result.  I felt dirty taking a refund from the club that I want to financially support.

That is my cathartic rant over with - but in normal times I would be raging directly at the club and not to a bunch of blokes on a football forum that really couldn't give a fuck about my 1st world problems.


Meanwhile in Afghanistan....  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, August 27, 2021, 12:52:02
I'm glad I went one size bigger with my shirt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:04:50

Meanwhile in Afghanistan....  :hmmm:

Like I said, 1st world problems, but while we still have absolute dickheads in this world that think that Trump is the answer to the Afghanistan issue, and some that spout absolute shit on here, I will carry on spouting shit about my problems. At least I have relevant knowledge about that to back it up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:08:55
 :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:18:46
Like I said, 1st world problems, but while we still have absolute dickheads in this world that think that Trump is the answer to the Afghanistan issue, and some that spout absolute shit on here, I will carry on spouting shit about my problems. At least I have relevant knowledge about that to back it up.

You've really hurt my feelings  :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:22:24
TEF's very own Karl Pilkington.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:29:34
Like I said, 1st world problems, but while we still have absolute dickheads in this world that think that Trump is the answer to the Afghanistan issue, and some that spout absolute shit on here, I will carry on spouting shit about my problems. At least I have relevant knowledge about that to back it up.

Noice.

On the shirt issue are they really not ordering any more (your comment is not the first time I have seen this stated), seems mentally short sighted when you consider the buzz round the place and the fact that for once its a half decent shirt! Oh and the fact the club need every £ they can get their mitts on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:35:58
I’m sure I’ve read it’s Puma’s advance ordering requirements which are preventing further stock arriving rather than the club not wanting to do so.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, August 27, 2021, 13:44:32
Like I said, 1st world problems, but while we still have absolute dickheads in this world that think that Trump is the answer to the Afghanistan issue, and some that spout absolute shit on here, I will carry on spouting shit about my problems. At least I have relevant knowledge about that to back it up.

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:02:23
You've really hurt my feelings  :(

Meanwhile in Afghanistan....   :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:07:00
Noice.

On the shirt issue are they really not ordering any more (your comment is not the first time I have seen this stated), seems mentally short sighted when you consider the buzz round the place and the fact that for once its a half decent shirt! Oh and the fact the club need every £ they can get their mitts on.

That's what he told me in the shop, no further home shirts will be coming in.  There might be a third kit apparently, but that really doesn't help with the issue at hand here that I had here, if I wanted a different shirt to the home shirt I could buy a yellow one (but I can't see me wearing a shirt that is yellow).

As stated, i am more fucked off by the pissing around I had to go through just to get anywhere..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:14:05
Quite right that your hacked off I would be to and think that warrants its own thread " things that have pissed me off"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:30:56
Quite right that your hacked off I would be to and think that warrants its own thread " things that have pissed me off"

There already is such a thread. It's hardly "pissed him off", it's only a football shirt and he's a grown man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:38:15
There already is such a thread. It's hardly "pissed him off", it's only a football shirt and he's a grown man.

That's told me then


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:50:27
That's what he told me in the shop, no further home shirts will be coming in.  There might be a third kit apparently, but that really doesn't help with the issue at hand here that I had here, if I wanted a different shirt to the home shirt I could buy a yellow one (but I can't see me wearing a shirt that is yellow).

As stated, i am more fucked off by the pissing around I had to go through just to get anywhere..

Grasp the opportunity, get yourself down the CG with a photographer from the Advertiser and get a picture of you looking proper fumin' whilst your lad does a sad face to go in the local rag!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:55:21
You should tweet the club Berni with your tail of woe. They'll probably send Clem round with replacement shirts, and you'll probably get fellatio from him as well such is the desire to keep fans happy :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:56:28
You should tweet the club Berni with your tail of woe. They'll probably send Clem round with replacement shirts, and you'll probably get fellatio from him as well such is the desire to keep fans happy :)
Well blow me down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, August 27, 2021, 14:58:47
That's told me then
:D

I hope BO has a couple of beers tonight and chills out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 27, 2021, 15:02:30
:D

I hope BO has a couple of beers tonight and chills out.


 :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 27, 2021, 15:11:36

 :pint: :pint:

Jimmy knows I was only being serious, didn't you fella?

 ;D

I'm on a bit of a detox actually after coming back with Irish belly drinking some top class Guinness for 2 weeks. That said there is a new Greek food van which has parked up just down the road from us so I'll be sampling a bit of Gyros tonight!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 27, 2021, 15:18:48
Of course I do Bob😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 3, 2021, 17:14:14
❗On The Sofa with Clem, Rob and Zav❗

Vic Morgan will be joined by Chairmain Clem Morfuni, CEO Rob Angus and potential new Vice Charman Zavier Austin to discuss all the current news at SN1!

LIVE 7pm, Monday 6th Sept @ www.facebook.com/STFCSupClub

#STFC 🔴⚪


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, September 3, 2021, 18:04:07
Interesting - let’s hope he can put any concerns to bed (ie, that it wasn’t him).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 3, 2021, 18:45:10
Fair play. Nothing like meeting potentially awkward questions head on.

As long as they’re asked, of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 3, 2021, 20:00:18
Vic usually asks the uncomfortable questions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Friday, September 3, 2021, 21:14:23
Why's he a potential vice chair?

If there was nothing to hide, he'd have been made vice chair already wouldn't he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 3, 2021, 21:24:45
Why's he a potential vice chair?

If there was nothing to hide, he'd have been made vice chair already wouldn't he?

I think the 'potential' part is down to the fit and proper person test.

And them rolling him out now suggests to me that they've been told he's likely to pass it. (Or has done already)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, September 4, 2021, 13:22:20
I'm a little suspicious.  They could have said simply 'it's not him' at any point over the last few weeks.  That they haven't suggests to me that there may well be something in it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, September 4, 2021, 13:26:32
I'm a little suspicious.  They could have said simply 'it's not him' at any point over the last few weeks.  That they haven't suggests to me that there may well be something in it.
Surely we know it is him? They will answer the questions Monday but I suppose ultimately it will all come down to whether fans want to accept that he isn't the same person he was 15 years ago and they are willing to give him a chance


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, September 4, 2021, 14:49:23
How should one say Zavier?

Zavvy - err?
Zavvy - eh?
Havvy - err?
Havvy - eh?
Something else?

And I know his name isn't Something Else Austin, so let's nip that one in the bud you bunch of cunts ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, September 4, 2021, 16:39:19
How should one say Zavier?

Zavvy - err?
Zavvy - eh?
Havvy - err?
Havvy - eh?
Something else?

And I know his name isn't Something Else Austin, so let's nip that one in the bud you bunch of cunts ;)

Charlie?

It's all to do with the Havvy-errs and Havvy-nots, I guess :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 4, 2021, 17:52:01
How should one say Zavier?

Zavvy - err?
Zavvy - eh?
Havvy - err?
Havvy - eh?
Something else?

And I know his name isn't Something Else Austin, so let's nip that one in the bud you bunch of cunts ;)

Dunno..

I thought zav-e-ay


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, September 4, 2021, 22:16:16
Before the game there was some bloke (looked fairly short) in a suite who was fist bumping all the players as they came off after warming up and they all seemed to know him.

Never seen him before, would that be Zavier? Can't think who else it would have been...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 09:00:39
Looking at Accrington v Shrewsbury I don't think there's any need for a third strip


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 09:27:41
Before the game there was some bloke (looked fairly short) in a suite who was fist bumping all the players as they came off after warming up and they all seemed to know him.

Never seen him before, would that be Zavier? Can't think who else it would have been...

Don't know if you saw Clem venture into the away end at half time.
Rob Angus hung back but there was a tall smartly dressed chap with Clem, looked a bit like Richard E Grant.
Did wonder if that might have been Zavier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 09:30:05
Don't know if you saw Clem venture into the away end at half time.
Rob Angus hung back but there was a tall smartly dressed chap with Clem, looked a bit like Richard E Grant.
Did wonder if that might have been Zavier.
Judging by your description it was him.

On the right in this picture.
(https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/4161863.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 11:19:13
Looks more like a minder !!.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 11:22:50
Looks more like a minder !!.

Is he the one who allegedly got attacked a few weeks ago


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 11:31:40
Is he the one who allegedly got attacked a few weeks ago
Indeed he is, not sure there was any "allegedly" about it though, it certainly happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 5, 2021, 11:33:10
Just covering myself as I don't the known the whole story!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, September 6, 2021, 02:34:27
Looks more like a minder !!.

I think the caption in the image is "I could be so good for you."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 6, 2021, 08:44:24
deffo Arthur Daley on the left


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:27:01
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/2021-22-stfc-sponsorship-opportunities/

Wouldn't be happy to see the County Ground renamed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:34:41
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/2021-22-stfc-sponsorship-opportunities/

Wouldn't be happy to see the County Ground renamed.

Inevitable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:35:00
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/2021-22-stfc-sponsorship-opportunities/

Wouldn't be happy to see the County Ground renamed.

Isn't it already 'The Energy Check County Ground' or has that changed/expired?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:36:00
Isn't it already 'The Energy Check County Ground' or has that changed/expired?

I'd be worried about dropping the County Ground part entirely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:36:23
Couldn't care less if we get a new sponsor for the ground, good amount of money for the club and everyone will still call it the County Ground anyway.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:48:25
Quote
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/2021-22-stfc-sponsorship-opportunities/ (https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/2021-22-stfc-sponsorship-opportunities/)

Wouldn't be happy to see the County Ground renamed.
Depends how they do it

if (as above) it's like Bigcorp County Ground,  other than in club comms it'll just be the County Ground to everyone.

if they suddenly change it to be "The Bigcorp Ground' things may be different.

However with the recent stand renaming to incorporate legends I don't get the feeling anyone is going to piss over our heritage


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:53:43
Very much what Batch says.

If its lets say "The Nationwide County Ground" then if they fork out lots of money then I have no problem.

If its "The Nationwide Ground" then thats not acceptable IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, September 6, 2021, 09:55:13
I’d like to see The County Ground dropped completely and it named after a payday loan or betting company just for the reaction on the supporters Facebook page.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, September 6, 2021, 10:01:14
The BLM and LGBTQ ground.

Would be fun.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, September 6, 2021, 10:03:33
They can call it what they like, it will always be the County Ground to the fans. No amount of sponsorship money can change that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 6, 2021, 10:14:20
If Zav comes on board then it could be called the County Lines Ground I guess and to recognise a popular community activity.

Don't recall much of a fuss when it became the Energy Check County Ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Monday, September 6, 2021, 10:22:20
Couldn't care less if we get a new sponsor for the ground, good amount of money for the club and everyone will still call it the County Ground anyway.

Agreed


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, September 6, 2021, 10:33:01
Agreed

You get a load of money, a few signs with a company’s name get put up, everyone ignores the new name


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 6, 2021, 10:51:39
The ‘Lee Power County Ground’.

Lest we forget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, September 6, 2021, 11:29:07
The Callum Rice Arena is giving me nostalgic thoughts of recent heritage. How about the Jamie Sendles-White Soccer Orb? The Jay Box Stadium?  :hmmm:

There could also be a possibility of integrating a new walkway to the ground.... called No No No Flint Way!

Back to ground renaming it surely gives an opportunity to give an nod to an absolute Town legend...with the heroic display of bravery, stoic leadership and ultimate in professionalist enigmas...surely the naming of the stadium should be:

The Kelvin Freewater Legacy Football Park (but written in Welsh)  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, September 6, 2021, 17:47:52
❗On The Sofa with Clem, Rob and Zav❗

Vic Morgan will be joined by Chairmain Clem Morfuni, CEO Rob Angus and potential new Vice Charman Zavier Austin to discuss all the current news at SN1!

LIVE 7pm, Monday 6th Sept @ www.facebook.com/STFCSupClub

#STFC 🔴⚪
About to start for anyone with an hour spare  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, September 6, 2021, 18:10:09
About to start for anyone with an hour spare  :)
Got a link please?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, September 6, 2021, 18:10:42
Zav is the guy with the conviction. He’s just said so


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, September 6, 2021, 18:36:00
Zav Austin turned whistleblower by the sounds of it, informed Clem of LP dodgy dealings


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 18:38:48
Power then ordered his heavies to............


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MCRRed on Monday, September 6, 2021, 18:49:53
Anyone else clock Zav's pink Y-fronts?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Stef Troll on Monday, September 6, 2021, 18:51:12
Clem couldn’t look less interested in this interview even if he tried. Looking at his phone every 2 minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:00:29
Beggars can’t be choosers, but if I was a chooser, I wouldn’t choose Austin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:00:46
Zav Austin turned whistleblower by the sounds of it, informed Clem of LP dodgy dealings


All linked to one individual taking money from the “friendship” group.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:01:44
Power then ordered his heavies to............
On the money my friend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:02:08
Quote from: StefPol
Clem couldn’t look less interested in this interview even if he tried. Looking at his phone every 2 minutes.

he could have been looking at the Facebook comments


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:03:25
he could have been looking at the Facebook comments

Judging by the grin on his face when he saw all the pants comments coming through, I agree


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: china red on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:04:22
What did Zav actually do?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:04:24
Quote

Clem couldn’t look less interested in this interview even if he tried. Looking at his phone every 2 minutes.

I don't think he was looking at his phone, I thought he was taking notes in all honesty.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:05:10
What did Zav actually do?

Stood up as his mrs had accidentally turned the tv on and he was wearing little pink Y fronts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:07:01
I'd say the questioning was pretty tame from Vic from what I saw

But Austin says it was 18 years ago and he's moved on. So I'm not sure what else you can ask on that. 'Are you going to use the club to money launder' isn't really with it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:07:09
A thoroughly refreshing listen - I have a feeling we are in good hands.

Happy to give Austin the benefit of the doubt myself, a conviction nearly 20 years ago - with the odd exception, people should be allowed to rebuild their lives. I’m sure some of our permanently outraged will have a different view, and I look forward to which TEF’r declares they will boycott until his departure. Maybe that’s why PaulD has been so quiet  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:09:13
I'd say the questioning was pretty tame from Vic from what I saw

But Austin says it was 18 years ago and he's moved on. So I'm not sure what else you can ask on that. 'Are you going to use the club to money launder' isn't really with it!
I did think similar going by Vic’s usual standards, but you’re quite right around what possible follow ups were available.

Some absolute gold in the questions coming in, my favourite couple being the one demanding to know why Clem hasn’t put in £4 million like he supposedly promised and the suggestion we should take a reduced allocation for Rovers away which Rob was understandly bemused by  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:09:52
Await JBZ's cryptic assessment ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:13:19
For those interested in replica’s:

- Earliest further stock of the home shirt would arrive is April/May - the impression I got is that the club aren’t going to bother
- GK shirt will be restocked once demand is assessed
- 3rd shirt to be released in the next couple of months (non-committal on colour)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:18:15
There's not much that can be said about Zav after that. Nothing particularly revealing or satisfying was said. That's not a criticism, I doubt we could have expected much more from it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:27:25
Bit concerned that Clem seems to be putting all his eggs in the Austin basket. I wish Vic had asked Clem what he planned to do if Austin didn’t get the EFL stamp of approval? Has he got a second choice lined up? Doesn’t seem like it.

Lots of apparent bogus accounts on the question feed!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:29:20
Would someone be able to put in a brief summary of what was said? Cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:29:59
Any suggestion the questions were sensored to stop any awkward moments live on social media


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:30:57
Bit concerned that Clem seems to be putting all his eggs in the Austin basket.

I've no idea how you have come to the conclusion he is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:31:08
Would someone be able to put in a brief summary of what was said? Cheers

Keep checking YouTube as they normally get posted the same evening


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:32:48
Any suggestion the questions were sensored to stop any awkward moments live on social media

No. Vic even asked a couple of the questions raised by one of the persistent, bogus accounts (one was about why Clem hasn’t paid of the EFL loan yet).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:33:38
Cheers 👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:38:07
Await JBZ's cryptic assessment ::)

Didn't tune in my frequently posting buddy.  Spent the evening enjoying the sunny weather in W-s-M.  Had some chips and an ice cream.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:39:10
Would someone be able to put in a brief summary of what was said? Cheers

It’s up now on the You Tube channel.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:42:25
Zav had skimpy pink pants on 😂




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:51:11
Would someone be able to put in a brief summary of what was said? Cheers
The key points were:

Zav:
- Zav admitted that he was convicted for a crime. He didn't say what specific crime, but was at pains to point out that it was a paper crime and not one where people were hurt
- He said he had rebuilt his life since. Including building a business in the same field as Clem
- He said that he was introduced to Power as being an honourable and successful business man. He later introduced Clem to Power in order for Clem to invest. He vouched for Power to Clem
- After a while, Zav smelled a rat, and determined that Power was crooked.
- Zav felt bad that he had vouched for Power to Clem and that Power was screwing him behind his back. So, Zav spilled the beans to Clem

Zav's pants:
- He stood up in the middle of the webchat to switch on the TV for his wife. He was wearing a black T-shirt and a pair of tiny pink Y fronts!
- Rob Angus looked shocked and Clem started to laugh!

Replica kit:
- Can't get any more home kit until next March/April due to manufacturing problems Puma are having.
- The reason for the long delay is because it is 'bespoke' kit. Rather than off the shelf.
- So, from context, Swindon are releasing a 3rd kit. But they wouldn't say what colour.

Clem:
- Not paying debts to get embargo lifted. Will look at that for January window if necessary
- As for returning to the UK: Expects to be back around Christmas for the January window (and winked)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:52:54
Any suggestion the questions were sensored to stop any awkward moments live on social media
They made a point of saying that Clem, Rob and Zav had agreed to answer any question.

Zav and Clem aren't the best speakers. Zav was a bit rambling and dull - On purpose? Possible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:55:20
Cheers nomoreheroes I'll take a look at the YouTube video


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:56:46
Thanks all, heard people saying that he referenced powers cronies were involved in his assault?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:58:03
Cheers nomoreheroes I'll take a look at the YouTube video
Oh! Don't believe me eh? I gerrit!  :smugfu:

There's a bit more about the Stevenage incident, flares, speaker system, hand sanitizer and paper towels and a couple of annecdotes about people working hard and working for nothing.

Nothing Earth shattering


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, September 6, 2021, 19:59:05
Thanks all, heard people saying that he referenced powers cronies were involved in his assault?
I think he implied it. I didnt hear it. But I skipped bits as it was dull.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 20:02:56
What exactly was his crime in 2003 which he owned up to in court


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: otanswell on Monday, September 6, 2021, 20:32:11
Money laundering cocaine money


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 6, 2021, 20:39:20
Clem also said that they aren’t paying off the embargo yet. Are they perhaps waiting to see if Power is ordered to pay the debt / loan at the court hearing coming up?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 6, 2021, 20:40:44
Money laundering cocaine money


Cheers I never knew


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crozzer on Monday, September 6, 2021, 20:47:09
- So, from context, Swindon are releasing a 3rd kit. But they wouldn't say what colour.



Same as Zav's Y-Fronts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 6, 2021, 21:07:29
Austin also said he wasn't investing in the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, September 6, 2021, 21:22:40
Austin also said he wasn't investing in the club
He said he didn't have money to invest.

He also referred to Clem being a very rich man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 08:34:31
They made a point of saying that Clem, Rob and Zav had agreed to answer any question.

Zav and Clem aren't the best speakers. Zav was a bit rambling and dull - On purpose? Possible.

A hell of a lot of people are crap at speaking, its rarely a sign of intelligence and ability, one only has to look at the fact that most politicians are chosen on their to speak rather than ability.

Only listened to about 20 mins so far and they all see pretty open in their answers.

EDIT - WTF, Clem doesn't drink!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 08:43:43
So re the embargo and I have probably misunderstood this. From what Clem just said the Embargo was for 12 months and interest free to pay off. It was £1,000,040 and we've paid off £175,000 of it. What happens after the 12 months? Do we then HAVE no option but to pay the remainder of it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 09:08:49
I know many people have spoken about it but I think given the lack of a home shirt until April/May, a third kit, out in time for Christmas is a brilliant marketing idea by the club. (sounds like their hands are tied re the home kit unfortunately) I have a feeling given what the club are doing around the renaming of the stands and the nod to history I reckon the third strip is going to have a heavy nod to the 1969 league cup final winning shirt and therefore is likely to be very popular!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 09:10:19
I may have drifted off at some point, but did Austin say there was any ongoing investigation about his beating, given that he seems to be pretty clear about who was behind it? Or isn't the police taking any interest? Which would seem odd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 09:16:07
I know many people have spoken about it but I think given the lack of a home shirt until April/May, a third kit, out in time for Christmas is a brilliant marketing idea by the club. (sounds like their hands are tied re the home kit unfortunately) I have a feeling given what the club are doing around the renaming of the stands and the nod to history I reckon the third strip is going to have a heavy nod to the 1969 league cup final winning shirt and therefore is likely to be very popular!

Add to that, which also could be a bit of a gamble but if Town by Jan/Feb are in a pretty good position then it would absolutely make sense to confirm an order of Home shirts for beginning of April. In that last month of the season, they would sell like hot cakes. Scarcity certainly would bring demand but it does hinge on Town continuing to do well methinks (it's also a natural conclusion).

I agree though that in the interim some form of stylised retro shirt would be a good move. Could be a good year for the shirt sales dept   :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 09:44:07
Add to that, which also could be a bit of a gamble but if Town by Jan/Feb are in a pretty good position then it would absolutely make sense to confirm an order of Home shirts for beginning of April. In that last month of the season, they would sell like hot cakes. Scarcity certainly would bring demand but it does hinge on Town continuing to do well methinks (it's also a natural conclusion).

I agree though that in the interim some form of stylised retro shirt would be a good move. Could be a good year for the shirt sales dept   :pint:

I think that depends on whether the home shirt is being kept for next season or if we're bringing in a new one. Fans aren't going to pay £45 quid (or whatever they cost) towards the end of the season in that instance. April is the time you sell off the older stock for £15-20.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 09:53:41
Generally thought they came across well, think Clem was less looking at his phone and more letting the other two get on with it (TBF as we couldn't see what he was looking at he could have just been cupping himself and admiring its scale), likewise Austin seemed reasonably open and whilst he went on a bit I did like that he often seemed to want to give longer more detailed answers than Vic seemed to be seeking which hopefully doesn't show a guy with loads to hide. He also kept piping up wanting to speak rather than having to be prodded!

If anything he came across as a bit naive, seemed to have been drawn in by Power and similarly seemed to be a bit in awe of Clem.

Much as with Clem the cynic in me reserves judgment, but for now they are either very very good actors or at least trying to be sincere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 10:12:46
Beggars can’t be choosers, but if I was a chooser, I wouldn’t choose Austin.

Edit: have now watched some of it. Fair play for fronting up. It’s more than the old lot did. I’d rather there was no murky past, because it makes you uneasy about the present, but it is what it is. People often spoke about how Power spoke a good game in his audiences with Hodgetts. He’s here, let’s get on with it, with a sensible dose of caution.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, September 7, 2021, 10:26:30
I think that depends on whether the home shirt is being kept for next season or if we're bringing in a new one. Fans aren't going to pay £45 quid (or whatever they cost) towards the end of the season in that instance. April is the time you sell off the older stock for £15-20.

Whilst I agree BO, I also think it depends on how the club is doing in a given season. If it was going in the direction of last season that absolutely knock down shirts for nominal return. If the club are looking like good promotion contenders (auto or prem) people will want to get hold of one of those elusive shirts (especially as it is one of the best in recent years). It also works if it's marketed that way "Help the Town push for the Play-Offs, New stock of 21/22 Home shirts available now, while stocks last!"

It's a mild difference of opinion but in that scenario, I think fans would shell out and as you say it also depends if the shirt continues into next season. It would be nice if it did as it's a cracking shirt. Definitely a collectors item. Back to you in the studio Des :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 12:13:14
I'm struggling to understand what Zav brings to the club to be appointed to the board listening to him, Clem as owner obviously, Rob as CEO obviously, but surely any others I would have thought Clem would want people with particular skills / contacts etc to complement the existing


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 12:15:15
I'm struggling to understand what Zav brings to the club to be appointed to the board listening to him, Clem as owner obviously, Rob as CEO obviously, but surely any others I would have thought Clem would want people with particular skills / contacts etc to complement the existing

I think the big thing he brings for the owner is that he is UK based and the owner trusts him, no more than that really?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 12:17:27
I'm struggling to understand what Zav brings to the club to be appointed to the board listening to him, Clem as owner obviously, Rob as CEO obviously, but surely any others I would have thought Clem would want people with particular skills / contacts etc to complement the existing

Initially brought all the investors together.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 12:27:46
I think the big thing he brings for the owner is that he is UK based and the owner trusts him, no more than that really?

Yeah, I don't think there's much to read into it. Just somebody who he trusts to take his place while he's absent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 12:45:26
I'm struggling to understand what Zav brings to the club to be appointed to the board listening to him, Clem as owner obviously, Rob as CEO obviously, but surely any others I would have thought Clem would want people with particular skills / contacts etc to complement the existing

Don't confuse the Board of Directors with the roles of the Executive Leadership.  Zav will likely have very little day to day input, he is there to vote on key decisions and add Clem's viewpoint when required.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kent_Red on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 13:10:40
I haven't seen the broadcast but did anyone ask Clem why Power is still a director of Swindon Town Football Company Ltd?  Given they are the only current directors it does leave LP with significant influence on key matters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 13:53:49
it does leave LP with significant influence on key matters.

It doesn't though does it. He won't have the casting vote.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kent_Red on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 14:16:02
Nothing in the Articles to say that the Chairman has the casting vote either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 14:29:06
Perhaps he can't officially be removed officially as a director until after the upcoming court case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 14:37:38
Nothing in the Articles to say that the Chairman has the casting vote either.

Interesting that you've even read them. Are you a friend of our former fat controller? *IF* Austin gets approved, its a non issue anyway.

Does he even have any influence should he have the nerve to show up to a board meeting. I don't think so. Not as regulated as member meetings.

https://www.companylawclub.co.uk/board-meetings

Quote
Casting vote
13. (1) If the numbers of votes for and against a proposal are equal, the chairman or other director chairing the meeting has a casting vote.
(2) But this does not apply if, in accordance with the articles, the chairman or other director is not to be counted as participating in the decision-making process for quorum or voting purposes.

My (probably wrong) interpretation of company law is that in a members meeting the majority shareholding wins the vote.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 14:42:47
Perhaps he can't officially be removed officially as a director until after the upcoming court case?

I strongly suspect this is the case.

Ultimately him being a Director means SFA in the scheme of things in the real world. The sole shareholder is Clem, I cannot imagine Power is seeing anything to do with the day to day running of the club.

Would be useful if this could be clarified just to stop the shit stirring though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 17:01:25
Perhaps he can't officially be removed officially as a director until after the upcoming court case?

I think you’re onto something there. As the old company is still functioning and LP was the big cheese, he’s responsible for the good bits and the bbaaaaaaddddddd bits. Clem only had official capacity as a shareholder late on into this saga and even then no real say. The club, Swinton Reds, or Seebeck etc are under investigation from a number of angles, Pee Lower is responsible for anything not quiet how shall we say, Kosher? Don’t forget the IR can go back what? Seven years? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that is just one worry Pee Lower has to contend with, how about Customs and Excise, VAT in other words. The new directors of the original club will legally hold him to account. What say you Duke?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 19:01:20
On a different note, with the stuff with the women's team tonight and Clem getting in the nets at Swindon CC, Rob Angus has shown time and again over the past few weeks that he knows exactly how a football club is a community institution and how to develop that

Interesting article in the times this week on Grimsby along the same lines:
 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca743482-0e45-11ec-8e58-a3a2e14a7850?shareToken=dd82112da46fabe059879345438b80ef


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 19:25:21
it's good that they are starting to branch out and promoting stfc into schools and local youth football clubs too


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 20:27:22
I think you’re onto something there. As the old company is still functioning and LP was the big cheese, he’s responsible for the good bits and the bbaaaaaaddddddd bits. Clem only had official capacity as a shareholder late on into this saga and even then no real say. The club, Swinton Reds, or Seebeck etc are under investigation from a number of angles, Pee Lower is responsible for anything not quiet how shall we say, Kosher? Don’t forget the IR can go back what? Seven years? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that is just one worry Pee Lower has to contend with, how about Customs and Excise, VAT in other words. The new directors of the original club will legally hold him to account. What say you Duke?

This my take on the current set up also - keep Pee Lower on a chain next to the gallows whilst all the shit is flushed out.  Once the shit chamber is empty he can be released or be hung


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, September 9, 2021, 20:53:47
This my take on the current set up also - keep Pee Lower on a chain next to the gallows whilst all the shit is flushed out.  Once the shit chamber is empty he can be released or be hung

Thank you for your glowing testimonial 😁 I based my comment not on concrete fact but hearsay, whispers and what has been disseminated by the current owners and my own understanding of dodgy business dealings and practices built up over many decades, life experiences if you will. Not forgetting other well documented football shenanigans etc. The clock is ticking on Pee Lower and his associates.

Just consider the excuse of Pee Lower not officially handing over the shares to Clem because of a tax liability. How long had it been since he trousered the money before he had to cave in because of the court process. You’d have to think that at least the inland revenue would take a mild interest? Mr. Austin ought to have 24/7 protection because I have a feeling he knows shitloads more that those who may know stuff have alluded to from the club or via ITK fans, genuine or otherwise. The next six months are going to be very interesting and revealing, though be prepared for stuff to be officially ‘buried’ due to circumstances deemed necessary by the legal process and confidentiality laws.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 10, 2021, 08:08:54
On a different note, with the stuff with the women's team tonight and Clem getting in the nets at Swindon CC, Rob Angus has shown time and again over the past few weeks that he knows exactly how a football club is a community institution and how to develop that

Interesting article in the times this week on Grimsby along the same lines:
 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca743482-0e45-11ec-8e58-a3a2e14a7850?shareToken=dd82112da46fabe059879345438b80ef

Beginning to look mile Sporting Club de Swindon, very similar to what John Hall tried to do at Newcastle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Sunday, September 12, 2021, 14:49:09
.
https://youtu.be/_u1kwdhFO1g


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 14:56:40
Suspended 3 point deduction for when fatboy didnt pay Junes wages


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 15:03:36
Thats a pretty good and sensible outcome.

Now lets wait for the points deduction for dodgy people fighting over the ownership of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 15:07:01
No real issue with that, as long as something is also done about the people who allowed it to happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 15:12:52
That 'suspension' might be lifted depending on what else happens


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 15:20:51
That 'suspension' might be lifted depending on what else happens

The suspended 3 points won't be lifted as long as we don't breach rule 63.7.........

'The terms of a Standard Contract between a Club and a Player shall be strictly adhered to.'

We may very well get some other punishments for other misdemeanors that Mr Power caused but I'm relatively confident we won't see a points deduction this specific one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 15:24:15
"There is also a suspended 3-point deduction that won't come into effect unless the Football Club breaches Regulation 63.7 on or before 30 June 2022"


Should be good until the end of the season


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 15:26:39
Jolly good


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 16:09:32
Hopefully the new regime are building a decent relationship with the FA pushing a 'then v. now' narrative that could prove useful in the coming months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 16, 2021, 17:36:23
Sensible decision from the EFL. As others have said, let's wait for the court case...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 17, 2021, 05:59:22
Clem's exploits have reached his homeland. Am I being picky, but do I detect a change of emphasis to what he says over here?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/meet-the-sydney-plumber-who-saved-an-english-soccer-club-from-oblivion-20210915-p58rwp.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 17, 2021, 06:12:38
The bit about bringing Aussie kids over is something he’d previously said he wasn’t going to do wasn’t it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Friday, September 17, 2021, 06:13:47
2 hours west of London?! Sounds about right with all the fucking roadworks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 17, 2021, 06:15:10
45 minutes from Junction 15 to the CG  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, September 17, 2021, 06:16:29
Clem's exploits have reached his homeland. Am I being picky, but do I detect a change of emphasis to what he says over here?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/meet-the-sydney-plumber-who-saved-an-english-soccer-club-from-oblivion-20210915-p58rwp.html

Not really - the bit about making money is just really explaining the difference between owning an Australian and English club.   The risk and rewards are much bigger so a bit more exciting over here than down under


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, September 17, 2021, 06:39:37
Clem's exploits have reached his homeland. Am I being picky, but do I detect a change of emphasis to what he says over here?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/meet-the-sydney-plumber-who-saved-an-english-soccer-club-from-oblivion-20210915-p58rwp.html
In what sense? Nothing we’ve never heard before in my opinion


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 17, 2021, 06:53:55
Quote from: Bogus Dave
The bit about bringing Aussie kids over is something he’d previously said he wasn’t going to do wasn’t it?

I think he said there were good kids everywhere and he'd take whoever fits the bill. words to that effect anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, September 17, 2021, 07:02:08
Are people looking for chinks in the armour already?.

Lets hope Saturday goes well and is not the start of a poor run. If that happens it'll be a good test of all this feel good factor, I'm sure some will start upping the negative comments.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 17, 2021, 07:27:16
it's good to get the club press in the land of down under


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 17, 2021, 07:47:34
I think he said there were good kids everywhere and he'd take whoever fits the bill. words to that effect anyway

Fair enough, I must have misremembered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crispy on Friday, September 17, 2021, 07:58:31
Clem's exploits have reached his homeland. Am I being picky, but do I detect a change of emphasis to what he says over here?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/meet-the-sydney-plumber-who-saved-an-english-soccer-club-from-oblivion-20210915-p58rwp.html

"Two months ago, the self-made tycoon became the owner of the city’s only football club, Swindon Town"

That annoyed me way more than it should have.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:03:01
"Two months ago, the self-made tycoon became the owner of the city’s only football club, Swindon Town"

That annoyed me way more than it should have.

That wasn't lost on me, either.

I mean, the clue is in the fucking name. A rather fucking huge clue at that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:04:39
That wasn't lost on me, either.

I mean, the clue is in the fucking name. A rather fucking huge clue at that.

You should be more indignant for the use of Soccer and not football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:05:42
2 hours west of London?! Sounds about right with all the fucking roadworks.

If you open google maps, put in 'London' to 'Swindon' and choose driving it says 1 hour 54 minutes. Obviously you have to start slap bang in the centre of London so most of that time is getting out of the bloody capital!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:10:14
You should be more indignant for the use of Soccer and not football club.

No, I should not.

1) It's an Australian newspaper - so they're obviously going to use the Ozzie vernacular.
2) The word soccer originated from England anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:10:58
Well I didn't know he was a Spurs ST holder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:45:44
Why did Clem not invest in a club in his own country? Not complaining, just curious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:50:32
Why did Clem not invest in a club in his own country? Not complaining, just curious.

Quote
“I do pump a lot of money into football here as well,” he said. “People are going to ask, why didn’t I buy an A-League club? I thought the opportunity to try and buy an English club is a lot better because when you go up the leagues, you can make a lot more money. If I get in the Championship I get £10 million ($18.9 million). The difference between here and there is you’re buying and selling players. If I buy a kid for 50 grand, I can go and sell him for a million quid, or two, or five. Then you get a sell-on clause on their contract.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 17, 2021, 08:50:54
Why did Clem not invest in a club in his own country? Not complaining, just curious.

That's covered in the article.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, September 17, 2021, 09:22:53
That wasn't lost on me, either.

I mean, the clue is in the fucking name. A rather fucking huge clue at that.

Similar grievance there myself.

I was impressed with the load time of the site though, for a rag. Compared with several other media sites. It was pretty rapid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 17, 2021, 09:25:42
That's covered in the article.

somebody should cut and paste it :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 17, 2021, 09:40:08
No, I should not.

1) It's an Australian newspaper - so they're obviously going to use the aussie vernacular.
2) The word soccer originated from England anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 17, 2021, 10:59:31
I can't find it anywhere so assume it's still in progress but it's been 5 weeks since we announced Zav Austin was going to be added to the board. I suppose as the EFL took what seemed like an age to give Clem the green light we are going to have to wait longer before Austin is announced or not?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 17, 2021, 11:34:27
I'm not sure on the Aussies, but the USA generally only have Cities, regardless of size.  The soccer thing also amuses me because people will apologise for using it here, but I then remind the word it is indeed from England anyway, before nudging them on NFL being a game started by posh colleges who messed around with Rugby rules.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, September 17, 2021, 11:40:51
I've no idea how I managed to quote myself above.

I said recently that the TEF's haunted, and I'm sticking with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 17, 2021, 12:37:02
A quick google returns the fact that Aussies give City status to any population centre over 25,000 that isn't a suburb of a bigger City.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, September 17, 2021, 14:56:46
What i like is that it's quite clear what the plan is for Clem. If he wants the plan to work that will work out well for us in the long run


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 17, 2021, 15:41:00
Any plan at any club depends entirely on success on the pitch.

It’s Clem’s plan but Garner has to deliver it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, September 17, 2021, 15:42:39
A quick google returns the fact that Aussies give City status to any population centre over 25,000 that isn't a suburb of a bigger City.

Well in that case Salisbury, Trowbridge and Chippenham for that matter can fuck off, we’re the capitol of Wiltshire now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Sunday, September 19, 2021, 19:13:56
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/meet-the-sydney-plumber-who-saved-an-english-soccer-club-from-oblivion-20210915-p58rwp.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2mw7VlzVLjrzwNDkaVec7E7Q4hNMQTRUm2bYK0T8OtzR26TXcorthp2oY#Echobox=1631865447

The above link is an interesting read. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, September 21, 2021, 07:10:36
Wasn't sure where to put this but spotted this thread on my Twitter feed this morning. An update on why there have been no sightings of Football Phil at the CG so far this season. I hope it can be resolved.

https://twitter.com/RachelT1722/status/1439899555449999363?s=20


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 21, 2021, 07:31:53
Wasn't sure where to put this but spotted this thread on my Twitter feed this morning. An update on why there have been no sightings of Football Phil at the CG so far this season. I hope it can be resolved.

https://twitter.com/RachelT1722/status/1439899555449999363?s=20

Sad that. Definitely at the Cobblers to reaffirm he is travelling away.
Hope he gets back to the CG to scatter the away fans.
No harm and loves his footy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 21, 2021, 07:42:35
Good luck to Phil and although I have never heard of him I really suggest that someone should make the club aware of the present situation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, September 21, 2021, 07:59:05
Good luck to Phil and although I have never heard of him I really suggest that someone should make the club aware of the present situation.

The CEO was copied in on one of the Tweets.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 06:07:58

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19594899.clem-morfuni-tells-australian-press-living-dream-swindon-ownership/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 06:18:14
Not impossible by any means, but next season could see us, piss stains and Reading in the same league. Shen was the last time that happened? This century?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 09:06:41
Not impossible by any means, but next season could see us, piss stains and Reading in the same league. Shen was the last time that happened? This century?

2000-01. Also had Bristol Rovers & City!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 09:57:33
Shit! Bet the Old Bill loved that!

Was that when Kerouche scored in the win at the Madejski?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:01:58
Shit! Bet the Old Bill loved that!

Was that when Kerouche scored in the win at the Madejski?
No that was way before then mate, that was the Invincible keeping us up witht he goal home to Posh season. We got beat 2-0 at the Mad-ski stadium that season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:03:52
Shit! Bet the Old Bill loved that!

Was that when Kerouche scored in the win at the Madejski?

Kerrouche was way after that! I'd imagine it was someone more like Grazioli around those times!


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:04:54
2001, day after my birthday, sunny and warm, won at the mad jet ski 3-1. Graz, invincible and Joe oesi-kaffour bagged

edit: shit, wrong season. still our last visit in the league there though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:08:39
Kerrouche was way after that! I'd imagine it was someone more like Grazioli around those times!

Was indeed.... http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=20010102

Considering what a shit season it was, we did reasonably well against our local rivals (bar Reading).

Reading lost both, Home 0-1 Away 0-2
Oxford won both Home 2-1 Away 2-0
Rovers  Home 1-3 Away 0-0
City  Home 1-1 Away 1-0


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:16:55
2001, day after my birthday, sunny and warm, won at the mad jet ski 3-1. Graz, invincible and Joe oesi-kaffour bagged

edit: shit, wrong season. still our last visit in the league there though
That’s it! Joe Kuffour, not Kerrouche.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 10:55:16
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/stfc-advisory-board-meets-for-the-first-time/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:26:53
Taylor Curran has some fucking nerve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:31:17
Taylor Curran has some fucking nerve.

I was about to post something similar. It sounds like there is £200k potentially owed to McGreal, Gilmartin, Curran and Jewell and £100k of a loan from 'able'. Hopefully the lawyer we have on the panel will be able to deal with those costs. My eyes shot out of their sockets when I saw Curran included in that claim!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:37:17
Its worth having a read through all the minutes etc as shows just how much has been done, and how much needs to be done.

Pleasingly, albeit I imagine he isn't doing it for the love and won't be coming cheap, Eddie Parladorio seems a very senior and clued up guy!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:38:13
Taylor Curran's daddy has some fucking nerve.

FIFY


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:39:05
Its worth having a read through all the minutes etc as shows just how much has been done, and how much needs to be done.

Pleasingly, albeit I imagine he isn't doing it for the love and won't be coming cheap, Eddie Parladorio seems a very senior and clued up guy!

he does - FYI there is a thread about this now Horlock :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:41:08
I was about to post something similar. It sounds like there is £200k potentially owed to McGreal, Gilmartin, Curran and Jewell and £100k of a loan from 'able'. Hopefully the lawyer we have on the panel will be able to deal with those costs. My eyes shot out of their sockets when I saw Curran included in that claim!
Thought they all resigned. Fuck ‘em!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:44:08
I was about to post something similar. It sounds like there is £200k potentially owed to McGreal, Gilmartin, Curran and Jewell and £100k of a loan from 'able'. Hopefully the lawyer we have on the panel will be able to deal with those costs. My eyes shot out of their sockets when I saw Curran included in that claim!
I can understand the surprise but TBH Curran had 2 years left on his 3 year contract, I am sure he would have got a decent wage of say £1,000 per week due to his fathers subsidising the club so 2 years at £50k per year then he will be paid up around £100k, even if he was only on £500pw thats still a £50k buyout of his contract.

Thought they all resigned. Fuck ‘em!
Football contacts are a law unto themselves. Often when a manager resigns the club pay the remainder of his contract up in full. Why this has always happened I have no idea, its rare that a manager leaves and all wage ties are severed instantly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 11:45:42
I can understand the surprise but TBH Curran had 2 years left on his 3 year contract, I am sure he would have got a decent wage of say £1,000 per week due to his fathers subsidising the club so 2 years at £50k per year then he will be paid up around £100k, even if he was only on £500pw thats still a £50k buyout of his contract.

Yeah you are right JJ, sadly! Money for old rope isn't it. (or was that part of the Twine sale, ho ho)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 12:16:11
I can understand the surprise but TBH Curran had 2 years left on his 3 year contract, I am sure he would have got a decent wage of say £1,000 per week due to his fathers subsidising the club so 2 years at £50k per year then he will be paid up around £100k, even if he was only on £500pw thats still a £50k buyout of his contract.
Football contacts are a law unto themselves. Often when a manager resigns the club pay the remainder of his contract up in full. Why this has always happened I have no idea, its rare that a manager leaves and all wage ties are severed instantly.
Or was that the real reason McGreal came - knowing there would be a constructive dismissal case to get fully paid up. Hope that prevents him for working in the meantime.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 12:50:03
I can understand the surprise but TBH Curran had 2 years left on his 3 year contract, I am sure he would have got a decent wage of say £1,000 per week due to his fathers subsidising the club so 2 years at £50k per year then he will be paid up around £100k, even if he was only on £500pw thats still a £50k buyout of his contract.
Football contacts are a law unto themselves. Often when a manager resigns the club pay the remainder of his contract up in full. Why this has always happened I have no idea, its rare that a manager leaves and all wage ties are severed instantly.

Curran, the worst ive seen... sigh...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 19:18:52
I thought the arrangement with managers and coaches is their wages get paid regular until they find another job or reach a compromise agreement with the old club.

You usually see them rock up at a new club when the settle their old club saying they have 'enjoyed a break from the game.

There are often arguements over taking a new job on less money as the old club will only pay the difference in salary and a lot of brinkmanship. Remember Phil Brown claiming he was owed money by LP.

I guess McGreal could argue constructive dismissal as he couldn't bring in the players he was promised. Whereas the club could say you didn't stick it out until the takeover and we've backed our new manager.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, September 23, 2021, 07:20:28
I thought the arrangement with managers and coaches is their wages get paid regular until they find another job or reach a compromise agreement with the old club.

You usually see them rock up at a new club when the settle their old club saying they have 'enjoyed a break from the game.

There are often arguements over taking a new job on less money as the old club will only pay the difference in salary and a lot of brinkmanship. Remember Phil Brown claiming he was owed money by LP.

I guess McGreal could argue constructive dismissal as he couldn't bring in the players he was promised. Whereas the club could say you didn't stick it out until the takeover and we've backed our new manager.
Reading between the lines i think it may be safe to say McGreal knew from day 1 what was going to happen and rocked up signed a very nice deal and fucked off knowing he is probably entitled to a pay off. 9/10 times it is likely to work but it looks like we have someone who is prepared to take it as far as they can and argue that the contract signed etc was dodgy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 29, 2021, 10:10:21
Yet another sponsorship deal announced today - Wagamama. Probably not huge but there seems to be one every week or so!

I wonder if it ever crossed Power’s mind to actually run the club honestly.

What’s the fat cunt doing nowadays?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, September 29, 2021, 10:15:16
Yet another sponsorship deal announced today - Wagamama. Probably not huge but there seems to be one every week or so!

I wonder if it ever crossed Power’s mind to actually run the club honestly.

What’s the fat cunt doing nowadays?

Gone to ground like the Jackal?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, October 1, 2021, 12:03:57
Hi All, just so everyone knows the Standing v Power court case scheduled for this month in court has been suspended/moved into 2022 (May to Oct 2022), no reason given by the court. This does mean that any outcome from this of which the efl/fa might potentially take action on the club (hopefully not but we don't know if it will), is unlikely to be applied this season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 1, 2021, 13:04:48
Hi All, just so everyone knows the Standing v Power court case scheduled for this month in court has been suspended/moved into 2022 (May to Oct 2022), no reason given by the court. This does mean that any outcome from this of which the efl/fa might potentially take action on the club (hopefully not but we don't know if it will), is unlikely to be applied this season.

No doubt, in true Swindon style, we will therefore get promoted this season then get clobbered with a season fucking up points deduction next season!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, October 1, 2021, 14:01:35
Hi All, just so everyone knows the Standing v Power court case scheduled for this month in court has been suspended/moved into 2022 (May to Oct 2022), no reason given by the court. This does mean that any outcome from this of which the efl/fa might potentially take action on the club (hopefully not but we don't know if it will), is unlikely to be applied this season.

Jiggery pokery alert?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 1, 2021, 15:19:30
Whoop we have finally got the official headphone partner sorted, thought they would never get it over the line!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 1, 2021, 16:30:42
Whoop we have finally got the official headphone partner sorted, thought they would never get it over the line!

Not sure what you'd been hearing to suggest otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, October 1, 2021, 16:54:12

Jiggery pokery alert?

I don't think that I have seen reference to this in the CPR


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 15:24:13
Another Partner announced

‘Swindon Town Football Club are delighted to announce Exerfly as one of our Official Strength & Conditioning Partners.

Based in New Zealand, Exerfly's motto is 'Maximising Movement' and they are used by some of the best athletes and sports teams across the globe.

Built by athletes for athletes, Exerfly truly outperforms the rest and completely reimagines the future of strength training.

Exerfly has supplied the Football Club with top-of-the-range gym and Flywheel equipment, designed and built to help Town reach peak performance and reach the next level.

Ricky McFarlane, Swindon Town's Head of Sports Science, said: "Exerfly allows our players to be exposed to a new level of strength and conditioning / rehab equipment that will help us to separate ourselves from the rest of the crowd at this level of football."

We are absolutely delighted to have Exerfly on board for the 2021-22 season and beyond, and we can't wait to build on this exciting partnership over the coming weeks and months. ’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 15:26:28
Another Partner announced

‘Swindon Town Football Club are delighted to announce Exerfly as one of our Official Strength & Conditioning Partners.

Based in New Zealand, Exerfly's motto is 'Maximising Movement' and they are used by some of the best athletes and sports teams across the globe.

Built by athletes for athletes, Exerfly truly outperforms the rest and completely reimagines the future of strength training.

Exerfly has supplied the Football Club with top-of-the-range gym and Flywheel equipment, designed and built to help Town reach peak performance and reach the next level.

Ricky McFarlane, Swindon Town's Head of Sports Science, said: "Exerfly allows our players to be exposed to a new level of strength and conditioning / rehab equipment that will help us to separate ourselves from the rest of the crowd at this level of football."

We are absolutely delighted to have Exerfly on board for the 2021-22 season and beyond, and we can't wait to build on this exciting partnership over the coming weeks and months. ’

Sounds positive. Small gains and all that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 15:28:00
That’s some serious looking kit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 15:32:32
That’s some serious looking kit.

Coupled with (what I assume are) excellent knowledgeable staff to boot.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19537536.ben-garner-aiming-create-elite-environment-swindon-town/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 15:38:54
Well, there’s something going on at the club for sure.

Everything seems a positive. As with everything, it all has to be translated to success on the pitch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 20:25:58
Coupled with (what I assume are) excellent knowledgeable staff to boot.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19537536.ben-garner-aiming-create-elite-environment-swindon-town/
According to the Adver we lost 1-0 to Salford last week - what did I miss?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 20:43:46
According to the Adver we lost 1-0 to Salford last week - what did I miss?

That Adver article is dated 26 August.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 21:15:48
According to the Adver we lost 1-0 to Salford last week - what did I miss?

Your appointment with Specsavers evidently.

'With an extremely short pre-season in the bank, Town appeared to stutter slightly against Salford City last Saturday before recovering to dig out a 1-0 victory, mostly through sheer determination and an extraordinary level of early fitness'

As per Private Fraser, its an aged article.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:58:30
Can someone please copy and paste 'Clems column' from the Advert?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:58:48
Can someone please copy and paste 'Clems column' from the Advert?

Has a pay wall...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:06:06
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/19634425.clem-morfunis-column-distance-wont-slow-us/

SWINDON Town Football Club’s owner and chairman, Clem Morfuni, pens his first bi-weekly column for Adver Sport - starting with an update on his first few weeks back in Australia.

Hello everyone. It is great to be able to write to you on a regular basis about all things STFC, and it is a brilliant way for me to stay in touch while I am on the other side of the world.

I have been back home in Australia for a few weeks now and I am finally out of quarantine, which is great because hotel life is not all it is hyped up to be!

However, it has been a really productive few weeks in terms of club meetings and the progress we continue to make in getting our great football club back on track.

Progress continues to be made on a number of fronts, and I’ve had a great deal of positive meetings with all members of staff as everyone continues to work incredibly hard to get this club back on track.

Your football club is in really good hands with all members of the team incredibly passionate about the work they are doing, we are building something really special at The County Ground.

I really miss being in Swindon and being around the team and all of the fans, and I miss the buzz that comes with a match day - it isn’t the same watching on a screen in the early hours of the morning!

However, the one consolation has been the positive results that have been earned by Ben Garner and the team.

I can assure you that I was celebrating as hard as the rest of you in the wake of our superb win over Bristol Rovers on Saturday.

We have another big week coming up with our game against Forest Green Rovers on Sky on Saturday, and another positive result will put us in a great position with games now coming thick and fast.

This is a really positive time for the football club, I am in constant discussions with everyone at the club on a daily basis and I can assure you that we are heading in the right direction.

Please keep supporting us as you have been, I’ll be pushing us to break the 10,000 crowd target for the games against Rochdale on Saturday, October 16 and Bradford on Saturday, October 23, and I can’t wait to see you all properly again once I return around Christmas-January time.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:09:55
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/19634425.clem-morfunis-column-distance-wont-slow-us/

SWINDON Town Football Club’s owner and chairman, Clem Morfuni, pens his first bi-weekly column for Adver Sport - starting with an update on his first few weeks back in Australia.

Hello everyone. It is great to be able to write to you on a regular basis about all things STFC, and it is a brilliant way for me to stay in touch while I am on the other side of the world.

I have been back home in Australia for a few weeks now and I am finally out of quarantine, which is great because hotel life is not all it is hyped up to be!

However, it has been a really productive few weeks in terms of club meetings and the progress we continue to make in getting our great football club back on track.

Progress continues to be made on a number of fronts, and I’ve had a great deal of positive meetings with all members of staff as everyone continues to work incredibly hard to get this club back on track.

Your football club is in really good hands with all members of the team incredibly passionate about the work they are doing, we are building something really special at The County Ground.

I really miss being in Swindon and being around the team and all of the fans, and I miss the buzz that comes with a match day - it isn’t the same watching on a screen in the early hours of the morning!

However, the one consolation has been the positive results that have been earned by Ben Garner and the team.

I can assure you that I was celebrating as hard as the rest of you in the wake of our superb win over Bristol Rovers on Saturday.

We have another big week coming up with our game against Forest Green Rovers on Sky on Saturday, and another positive result will put us in a great position with games now coming thick and fast.

This is a really positive time for the football club, I am in constant discussions with everyone at the club on a daily basis and I can assure you that we are heading in the right direction.

Please keep supporting us as you have been, I’ll be pushing us to break the 10,000 crowd target for the games against Rochdale on Saturday, October 16 and Bradford on Saturday, October 23, and I can’t wait to see you all properly again once I return around Christmas-January time.




Thanks  :wink:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:12:37
Incidentally, my friend (genuinly!) that requested a refund on last seasons ST got an email yesterday regarding refunds, really re-presenting the question - are you sure you want a refund?

Wasn't sure if this was a sign of prudent control of liabilities, or whether more people requested a refund than predicted.

No judgements or anything from me - has the refund % been stated anywhere?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:24:31
I heard it was around 200 people


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:24:48
Incidentally, my friend (genuinly!) that requested a refund on last seasons ST got an email yesterday regarding refunds, really re-presenting the question - are you sure you want a refund?

Wasn't sure if this was a sign of prudent control of liabilities, or whether more people requested a refund than predicted.

No judgements or anything from me - has the refund % been stated anywhere?

When were people able to request refunds, was it under Power? If so I imagine its a case of 'you wanted to get your money off the baddies, do you still want to get it back off us as we are the goodies' (not Tim Brooke-Taylor, Graeme Garden, and Bill Oddie)?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:30:53
When were people able to request refunds, was it under Power? If so I imagine its a case of 'you wanted to get your money off the baddies, do you still want to get it back off us as we are the goodies' (not Tim Brooke-Taylor, Graeme Garden, and Bill Oddie)?

No it was after the takeover, and they did say it may be January before they got to look at it.

Email from club
Thank you for query and we note your request for a refund or credit. 

We are asking everyone to reconsider their request for a refund or credit as the cost of providing such refunds and credits has a significant impact on the financial situation of the Club, which, as you know, is not in the best of places given the significant debts that the previous ownership left the Club in.

We are working through £4m of historic debts and whilst Clem has invested over £1m to help manage this position, he can't rebuild our Club all on his own and we need every supporter where they can to do their bit by waiving refunds and credits and attending again to support our Club and be part of the rebuild which will take the Club forwards and upwards.

We do hope you are able to reconsider your refund or credit request to help rebuild our Club and we will be working with the Supporters Trust and Supporters Club to recognise those fans who have waived refunds and credits which really helps ensure we continue to have our football club to support.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, October 8, 2021, 15:15:22
But gross, that


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, October 8, 2021, 15:35:28
If there are holdouts for refunds then the club should just bite the bullet and stump up and not try to browbeat if people still insist.
I suspect that some of the affected will have had enough battling for refunds for cancelled journeys, holidays, flights etc.
Technically they are entitled to the refunds. In that respect STFC should be no different from any other business.
It's fortunate that 3,000 plus customers have chosen to exercise a degree of good will.

Progressing to the latter stages of the not so pointless now trophy or rolling up for a televised game short of first teamers might help to cover the potential cost.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, October 8, 2021, 15:46:47
I actually think it's pretty insensitive of the new regime to push this point. It's not like STFC is the only place where people have experienced financial hardship in the last year, and ST holders got precious little for their money last season. Clem might not want to have to keep plugging the holes, but it would behove the new, sensitive, community club to show a bit more understanding for the difficulties people have experienced and are set to face over the coming winter, without trying to make them feel guilty about claiming their due.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, October 8, 2021, 16:13:24
The application of credit & refunds, home & away, for the curtailed ppg season looks to have gone under the carpet. Old regime I know, but the questions were still asked and assurances made at the time.

Over £60 out of pocket on 3 away tickets.
Not a problem.
It's mainly been a case of unrequited love over the years anyway.
I bet the cunts from Ryanair or EasyJet or Booking.com would love to own a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, October 8, 2021, 16:50:02
No it was after the takeover, and they did say it may be January before they got to look at it.

Email from club
Thank you for query and we note your request for a refund or credit. 

We are asking everyone to reconsider their request for a refund or credit as the cost of providing such refunds and credits has a significant impact on the financial situation of the Club, which, as you know, is not in the best of places given the significant debts that the previous ownership left the Club in.

We are working through £4m of historic debts and whilst Clem has invested over £1m to help manage this position, he can't rebuild our Club all on his own and we need every supporter where they can to do their bit by waiving refunds and credits and attending again to support our Club and be part of the rebuild which will take the Club forwards and upwards.

We do hope you are able to reconsider your refund or credit request to help rebuild our Club and we will be working with the Supporters Trust and Supporters Club to recognise those fans who have waived refunds and credits which really helps ensure we continue to have our football club to support.
Pretty poor that, some people genuinely need the money and trying to again guilt trip them into forfeiting the refund is a bit low. Not sure whether this means things are worst behind the scenes than we think or they are just chancing their arm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 17:56:46
Quote from: Shrivvy Road
I heard it was around 200 people

wow, that's very low if so. I realise every penny counts for the club, but I was thinking it would be 1000+


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 18:00:01
also, isn't there a bit at the end of that email that says something like 'if you still want a refund we'll be in touch to work out a solution that suits you and the club'

that's the bit I frowned at, but I don't have the email so take it with a pinch of salt


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, October 8, 2021, 18:03:46
Pretty poor that, some people genuinely need the money and trying to again guilt trip them into forfeiting the refund is a bit low. Not sure whether this means things are worst behind the scenes than we think or they are just chancing their arm.

The club was in a terrible state and worse than expected when they took over.
Debts far higher than planned for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, October 8, 2021, 18:22:04
The club was in a terrible state and worse than expected when they took over.
Debts far higher than planned for.
Still a pretty poor, you don’t half heartedly offer a refund that is already a pretty bad deal for supporters and then try again to wriggle out of it when people dare to take up the offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, October 8, 2021, 18:38:25
Especially when the amount we’ll be talking in total will be minor in terms of the clubs overall debts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 18:42:52
@duke ^^^^ I guess that's not a massive suprised, concerning though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 18:52:19
Actually it was this that got me, as if a refund isn't a given:

"If after considering this message you still wish to request a refund or credit then we will work through each request to try and find a resolution that works for you and our Football Club"



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, October 8, 2021, 19:03:59
Especially when the amount we’ll be talking in total will be minor in terms of the clubs overall debts

Maybe the owners are not as rich as you would like to think they are.
Not saying this makes it right though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, October 8, 2021, 19:34:57
Especially when the amount we’ll be talking in total will be minor in terms of the clubs overall debts

Exactly this, if you had a full price ST it’s only about £120 per person after they have taken off the £230 for ifollow codes (whether you used them or not)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 8, 2021, 19:50:30
Club have been excellent on comms so far, but that feels like a misstep.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, October 9, 2021, 08:51:13
Maybe the owners are not as rich as you would like to think they are.
Not saying this makes it right though.
Indeed.
Club have been excellent on comms so far, but that feels like a misstep.
It certainly does.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 19:26:37
I assume they are hoping that some people that requested a refund, their financial situation may have improved so now happy to donate the refund back to stfc.

Although the letter should have been worded they are working on refunds but if you have changed your mind and are now happy to donate the refund then please do let us know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 21:37:32
Surely this shows the challenging situation the club is in financially. Stability is the first priority and if there was for any reason a run on money being paid out could cause a major confidence slide.
I would suspect all creditors are being told a similar story.
Although every case will be different.. Please keep your faith where possible and support the club.
COYMRs

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 21:42:53
Although every case will be different.. Please keep your faith where possible and support the club.
COYMRs

So you are telling others to support the club, presumably you have done so by donating £350 for a ST, despite not being able to get to a single game.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 21:47:57
well quite.

I didn't want cash back in the curtailed season.

I don't ask for list season's back.

I have bought 1 adult and 2 under 18s this season despite the price going up and despite 1xu18 working most Saturdays.

I'm lucky because I can at the moment. Not everyone is in my position and I don't think it's the slightest bit unreasonable to  refund them.
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if money is that tight or debts that much worse than expected let's hear it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 22:00:50
The thing that annoyed me was that there was no allowance whatsoever for there being multiple season tickets in the same house.

We both had to pay full price but obviously only used one ifollow code to watch a game, yet both were only offered a refund less £230 for codes.

Even before the boycott was suggested I had decided not to renew our ST’s this season, however with the takeover we decided to give it another go & invested our £700, despite not being able to make midweek home games.

So the “do you really want a third of what you paid back” did grate a little I have to say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 22:16:22
The thing that annoyed me was that there was no allowance whatsoever for there being multiple season tickets in the same house.

We both had to pay full price but obviously only used one ifollow code to watch a game, yet both were only offered a refund less £230 for codes.

Even before the boycott was suggested I had decided not to renew our ST’s this season, however with the takeover we decided to give it another go & invested our £700, despite not being able to make midweek home games.

So the “do you really want a third of what you paid back” did grate a little I have to say.
To be honest I think this is one of the problems with having a former Trust board member as the Chief Exec. He‘ll be making the assumption that everyone prioritises the club just like he has and does but a lot of fans have other priorities and commitments in their life. The club needs to get back to a customer based relationship with fans as soon as possible IMO as too much is reliant on the good will of supporters currently and normal businesses wouldn’t get away with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, October 14, 2021, 02:02:33
Posh... I can see your frustrations from here. Who am I to judge Clearly I'm not.

To answer your question of me. Yes, I subscribe and watch by IFollow on a regular basis and it does give me lots of pleasure especially this season so far and hopefully the club benefits from my support as well.

From what I have seen from afar I don't see any evidence that Rob Angus making any special assumptions to the club over creditors including supporters. I doubt if he could if he wanted too.

As suggested, I think the club is in a very challenging financial situation at present and as DOB mentioned possibly the debts are lots higher than estimated and the new principle / owner is not as wealthy as we all had hoped. That said, Mr, Vacuum cleaned Dyson didn't rush in to buy the club did he ?.

Please have faith than the club is moving forward in the right direction and all supporters who are owed money and have shown extra ordinary faith will get rewards soon.

For the record, today I watched Swindon v West Ham from 1967 (You tube) which I went to with my Dad as a nine year old. What memories and the start of a magic period where Dreams can and did come true. !!! Yes, I had tears in my eyes when Willie Penman scored  :)

F#ck how great would it be to see glory days back on the County Ground once again.  :bye:         



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, October 14, 2021, 02:32:21
Batch.. You mentioned "If money is that tight or debts that much worse than expected let's hear it."

Please be careful what you are asking for because one day you might be told !!!

Just consider the possibility that the Club could technically be Insolvent and can't pay its dubious creditors including spurious loans and un secured ST refunds.

Perhaps Clem Morfuni has needed to trade as, hate to say it a delinquent director to save the club. If he has blood good luck to him as he would have a lot bigger balls than I have !!!

If the whole wide world knew of these possibilities do you think Swindon would have beaten Bristol R or FGR at the weekend. I don't think so
   


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 14, 2021, 13:26:44
Looks like Clem is arranging a tour Down Under. That’s a long way to go in a minibus!

‘There are small rumours that Swindon Town owner, Clem Morfuni, who is Australian, is willing to organise an end-of-season tour of Swindon Town in Australia. Tours would be Sydney, Melbourne and Perth if possible. The man is pushing for some Aussie links with Swindon Town. ‘


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 14, 2021, 13:31:58
Looks like Clem is arranging a tour Down Under. That’s a long way to go in a minibus!

‘There are small rumours that Swindon Town owner, Clem Morfuni, who is Australian, is willing to organise an end-of-season tour of Swindon Town in Australia. Tours would be Sydney, Melbourne and Perth if possible. The man is pushing for some Aussie links with Swindon Town. ‘
Fair play to him, get the Swindon Town name out and about in Oz and make some decent footballing connections along the way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, October 15, 2021, 09:32:33
Imagine that a pre season down under in the middle of their winter whilst it's summer time here :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 15, 2021, 10:10:12
Imagine that a pre season down under in the middle of their winter whilst it's summer time here :pint:

Only likely to be for three weeks at the most.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, October 15, 2021, 12:10:15
Fair play to him, get the Swindon Town name out and about in Oz and make some decent footballing connections along the way.

I think you mean Fair Dinkum  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 15, 2021, 12:11:16
I think you mean Fair Dinkum  :)
The last person I actually heard say "fair dinkum" was Rolf Harris! so lets not go there!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 16:52:33
Evening all,
Yep I know wrong thread but I couldn't find one more suitable.
I read on the Adver the other day about a 3rd strip but you need to have an Adver account to read it. Can anyone shed any light and do we know what the colour scheme will be?
I understand it will probably be on here somewhere but I don't have the time to trawl for it.
Thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 17:17:49
Evening all,
Yep I know wrong thread but I couldn't find one more suitable.
I read on the Adver the other day about a 3rd strip but you need to have an Adver account to read it. Can anyone shed any light and do we know what the colour scheme will be?
I understand it will probably be on here somewhere but I don't have the time to trawl for it.
Thanks.

Cant help with the Adver, but s'posed to be coming out this month wern't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 17:21:34
Cant help with the Adver, but s'posed to be coming out this month wern't it?

Yeah - and will be on sale in time for christmas. No news on colours yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 17:26:27
Evening all,
Yep I know wrong thread but I couldn't find one more suitable.
I read on the Adver the other day about a 3rd strip but you need to have an Adver account to read it. Can anyone shed any light and do we know what the colour scheme will be?
I understand it will probably be on here somewhere but I don't have the time to trawl for it.
Thanks.

I could be way off but, when I was in the shop buying tickets this morning, I noticed there was a mannequin wearing a version of the shirt I hadn’t seen before. It was the same basic design as the red one but was a kind of plain ‘off-white’/grey with shadow patterns in it. The shirt looked nice but it was matched on the mannequin with the green shorts and yellow socks, so looked a bit odd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, November 2, 2021, 18:51:34
I could be way off but, when I was in the shop buying tickets this morning, I noticed there was a mannequin wearing a version of the shirt I hadn’t seen before. It was the same basic design as the red one but was a kind of plain ‘off-white’/grey with shadow patterns in it. The shirt looked nice but it was matched on the mannequin with the green shorts and yellow socks, so looked a bit odd.

I like the sound of a white with shadow effect not so sure with the yellow and green shorts and socks combo.

Thanks guys  👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 20:47:28
Derby:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/10/derby-county-ready-accept-another-points-deduction-confirming/

Quote
after weeks of talks with the football league, derby are close to agreeing another deduction of 9 points, plus a further suspended three points, for historical financial breaches under former owner mel morris.

so no leniency from the EFL there then. One hopes their situation is far removed from ours
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in any case, has there been an update on the Zav(I)er Austin appointment?

I could guess his past has made getting approval from the fit and proper person test tricky.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 20:49:08
Derby:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/10/derby-county-ready-accept-another-points-deduction-confirming/

so no leniency from the EFL there then. One hopes their situation is far removed from ours
-----------------
in any case, has there been an update on the Zav(I)er Austin appointment?

I could guess his past has made getting approval from the fit and proper person test tricky.

From what I gather - he passed the fit and proper and is now around the club quite often.
Rob Angus has mentioned him a few times.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 12:38:46
Anyone now what the club’s new partner, Recast, is actually offering?

Says live games and other ‘content’. How does that get around iFollow etc. Apparently Rangers and QPR also partnering with them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 12:55:01
Anyone now what the club’s new partner, Recast, is actually offering?

Says live games and other ‘content’. How does that get around iFollow etc. Apparently Rangers and QPR also partnering with them.

Good question, wondered the same myself.

is every club under ifollow though? Some have their own channel. Might be similar to this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 13:00:40
Anyone now what the club’s new partner, Recast, is actually offering?

Says live games and other ‘content’. How does that get around iFollow etc. Apparently Rangers and QPR also partnering with them.

https://insidersport.com/2021/07/01/qpr-teams-with-recast-for-match-streaming/

A bit about it there.

Seems to be for highlights and friendlies and the ladies teams not the 1st team games.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 14:40:35
Maybe they’ve an eye out for a market many thousands of miles away?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 23, 2021, 14:46:23
Maybe they’ve an eye out for a market many thousands of miles away?
Possibly, would be nice for the club to make a statement about what this tie up involves and how we as a club and fans benefit from it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Munichred on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 12:04:20
https://insidersport.com/2021/07/01/qpr-teams-with-recast-for-match-streaming/

A bit about it there.

Seems to be for highlights and friendlies and the ladies teams not the 1st team games.

From QPR:

Across the 2021/2022 season Recast will become the home of QPR’s match highlights with a view to host them exclusively on the platform by the end of the year.

Match highlights and games from QPR Women and B Team fixtures will also be shown on Recast along with premium and exclusive behind the scenes content and interviews with players and club staff.

“Due to events over the last twelve months, we have embarked on a complete audit of our digital assets,” said QPR’s Commercial Director, Euan Inglis. “As our supporters will be aware we are doing some really exciting stuff around blockchain, NFTs and tokenisation on our new app. We have been engaged with Recast over the last few months and have been very impressed with the opportunities the platform is going to provide for the club and our supporters.

“Recast will complement our existing channels initially, but our plan is to utilise Recast’s platform more down the line as our supporters become more au fait with the platform. The club will be working with the excellent team at Recast to produce innovative and creative content that will be exclusively available on Recast’s platform.”



"Premium and exclusive... content" sounds like for extra payment to me. 

Not sure how the use of "...blockchain, NTFs ?? and tokenisation..." will work?

The last paragraph seems to point to  initially working alongside Ifollow but down the line replacing it. Or am I misreading that?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 13:01:23
This is what the Banzai app might have evolved into.
Ahead of its time? Probably not.  :)

Not sure if the app made it into the Washbags hall of shame before they packed it in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 13:02:41
I don't get who will pay extra for this unless they switch from ifollow for games.  let's hope not


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 13:07:09
I don't get who will pay extra for this unless they switch from ifollow for games.  let's hope not
Not sure who will pay extra TBH and I am pretty sure iFollow have a contract until the end of this season for matchdays so if it does happen then it will more likely start next season for matchday coverage.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 13:20:11
yeah, that will be a sad day ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 13:21:13
yeah, that will be a sad day ;)
You arent wrong!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:23:13
Its Black Friday tomorrow innit, does that mean the 3rd shirt comes out tomorrow as well?

I note the club have announced the rear sponsor for said shirt this afternoon, coincidence?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:30:17
Its Black Friday tomorrow innit, does that mean the 3rd shirt comes out tomorrow as well?

I note the club have announced the rear sponsor for said shirt this afternoon, coincidence?

I think you might be onto something Mr Holmes! (I've been sent a picture of the third shirt FWIW)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:38:08
I think you might be onto something Mr Holmes! (I've been sent a picture of the third shirt FWIW)

Please do send me in a DM BO?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:45:56
I think you might be onto something Mr Holmes! (I've been sent a picture of the third shirt FWIW)

Bloody ITK'ers... Seen it myself, not sure how people are going to react to blue and white quarters....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crozzer on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 16:50:21
Brilliant, a ruse to confuse Brett Pitman.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 17:21:43
Some people on social media appear to be having a breakdown that it has not been 'announced' yet. My word, it can be entertaining to read sometimes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 18:11:13
Anyone with a picture of the 3rd kit wish to share the love?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 18:39:06
Share!!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 18:39:47
Share!!!!

Yes share


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, November 26, 2021, 08:45:00
It's plain grey with dark lettering

EDIT:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:09:49
Surprised the sponsor agreed to that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:21:45
That doesnt look great


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:28:10
I can understand why, but the badge and the sponsor for me look crap being so dark. Perhaps it'll grow on me but looks a bit like a bin bag.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:28:55
Looks a little bland to me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:30:23
Not sure what some of you were expecting from a blackout kit (unless you've never seen one before).

I love them and this looks class.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:40:42
Fair point and I'll admit I didn't 100% understand the reason behind them.

https://footballshirtcollective.com/2021/03/09/the-story-behind-the-black-out-collection/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:46:34
So, is the choice down to some kind of political statement?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:47:40
Surprised the sponsor agreed to that.

I can understand why, but the badge and the sponsor for me look crap being so dark. Perhaps it'll grow on me but looks a bit like a bin bag.

I suspect it may look better in the light, that photo looks like its been taken in an airing cupboard.

Quite like it.

Not sure what some of you were expecting from a blackout kit (unless you've never seen one before).

Had it been said previously it was going to be a black out kit, must have missed that?

Fair point and I'll admit I didn't 100% understand the reason behind them.

https://footballshirtcollective.com/2021/03/09/the-story-behind-the-black-out-collection/

Oh god, the anti wokists will be wanking themselves into a lather, I hope to god the players don't take the knee wearing it, shit will be lost and pearls clutched!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:50:26
Now now😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 26, 2021, 09:50:56
Fair point and I'll admit I didn't 100% understand the reason behind them.

https://footballshirtcollective.com/2021/03/09/the-story-behind-the-black-out-collection/

I also hadn't realised the significance either. Once others do this is really going to split the fanbase isn't it? Going to be woke this and snowflake that and a load of pearl clutching. Hope I am wrong.

Let's wait and see for the official announcement from the club before going too wild. I think some of our Twitter fans literally have no patience left, literally bombarding the club to announce the third shirt!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, November 26, 2021, 10:16:39
Great work but this won't go down well with elderly supporters and those from rural areas.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, November 26, 2021, 10:40:45
Can't we just enjoy it for what it is?  A new third kit, leave all the bullshit to one side.  If you like it, buy it.  If you don't, don't.

I am not sure why everything has to be so black (pun intended) or white these days, it gets very tiresome - and twitter is the cesspit for this stuff..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 26, 2021, 10:44:11
Can't we just enjoy it for what it is?  A new third kit, leave all the bullshit to one side.  If you like it, buy it.  If you don't, don't.

I am not sure why everything has to be so black (pun intended) or white these days, it gets very tiresome - and twitter is the cesspit for this stuff..
This 100%


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, November 26, 2021, 10:47:56
Can't we just enjoy it for what it is?  A new third kit, leave all the bullshit to one side.  If you like it, buy it.  If you don't, don't.

I am not sure why everything has to be so black (pun intended) or white these days, it gets very tiresome - and twitter is the cesspit for this stuff..

Great sentiments but, of course, that's life these days


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, November 26, 2021, 10:59:19
I also hadn't realised the significance either. Once others do this is really going to split the fanbase isn't it? Going to be woke this and snowflake that and a load of pearl clutching. Hope I am wrong.

Let's wait and see for the official announcement from the club before going too wild. I think some of our Twitter fans literally have no patience left, literally bombarding the club to announce the third shirt!
Getting their practice in for the January transfer window where they’ll be bombarding every post!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:05:42
Getting their practice in for the January transfer window where they’ll be bombarding every post!

'Announce Norwood'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:09:04
Getting their practice in for the January transfer window where they’ll be bombarding every post!

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:25:02
Great work but this won't go down well with elderly supporters and those from rural areas.

I'm from a rural area, and borderline elderly. And your point is...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:31:17
Can't we just enjoy it for what it is?  A new third kit, leave all the bullshit to one side.  If you like it, buy it.  If you don't, don't.


It'll never catch on!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:32:37
I'm from a rural area, and borderline elderly. And your point is...?
The ironic thing is so is JBZ going by his posts of being at Uni in the early 90s and living in deepest Somerset.

I am in the same boat as you too and I have no compulsion to moan about whats happening either, I think many people are being tarred by the same brush by someone, ironically in a group that he himself belongs to.

That is unless he himself posted it ironically as he is himself upset by this?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:47:26
60 isn't old these days  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 26, 2021, 11:51:02
60 isn't old these days  :)
TBH anything around 50 is considered elderly these days it seems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 26, 2021, 12:01:49
 :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 26, 2021, 12:07:53
The ironic thing is so is JBZ going by his posts of being at Uni in the early 90s and living in deepest Somerset.

I am in the same boat as you too and I have no compulsion to moan about whats happening either, I think many people are being tarred by the same brush by someone, ironically in a group that he himself belongs to.

That is unless he himself posted it ironically as he is himself upset by this?  :hmmm:

I was at Uni in the early 90's and am I fuck borderline elderly! Plus I was born and remain a rural yokel, albeit its a yakker round here!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 26, 2021, 12:27:51
I was at Uni in the early 90's and am I fuck borderline elderly! Plus I was born and remain a rural yokel, albeit its a yakker round here!

Se statement above :)

TBH anything around 50 is considered elderly these days it seems.

That is if you listen to social media comments.... :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, November 26, 2021, 12:38:24
Great sentiments but, of course, that's life these days

It is, but you have a choice as to whether you join in with the bullshit or not, unless it is too late and you have become a slave to social media and unable to make your own decisions anymore..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 26, 2021, 16:57:20
https://www.stfcdirect.com/2122-kit-training-wear/2122-kit/third-kit/2787_2122-team-flash-jersey.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, November 26, 2021, 17:08:24
The ironic thing is so is JBZ going by his posts of being at Uni in the early 90s and living in deepest Somerset.

I am in the same boat as you too and I have no compulsion to moan about whats happening either, I think many people are being tarred by the same brush by someone, ironically in a group that he himself belongs to.

That is unless he himself posted it ironically as he is himself upset by this?  :hmmm:

Nice work.  I confess, I don't regarding being in your 40s as elderly but I guess it's all relative.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 26, 2021, 17:16:24
https://www.stfcdirect.com/2122-kit-training-wear/2122-kit/third-kit/2787_2122-team-flash-jersey.html
Me no likee


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 26, 2021, 17:39:29
Not a fan of football shirts that don’t really look like football shirts…but…that’s just me…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, November 26, 2021, 17:53:47
i dont really understand it and don't really like the look of it, seems like an american thing from that previous link. if it picks up national coverage then its a good thing i suppose. are we the only english team to do this?

if we win in it then all good but not something i would buy. in previous years though the 3rd kits have been quite tempting


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 26, 2021, 18:15:23
What age are we calling middle aged 40,45🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, November 26, 2021, 18:18:23
Im living to 110, so Ive got another 5 years until my midlife.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 26, 2021, 18:19:29
 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 26, 2021, 18:29:12
I'm aiming for 114.
Drinking lots of beer & vodka will get me there.
Went to Poly / Uni in the mid 80's so must be positively ancient by now.

Don't mind the new shirt.
Still in help the club out if possible mode so will make the budget stretch to another 45 sheets if possible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, November 26, 2021, 18:34:19
Just placed an order.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, November 26, 2021, 19:03:39
Not for me but I think this marketing is the way forward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 26, 2021, 20:12:39
Opinion splitter but I love it. However, for the main contention points to be the new kit vs other issues we’ve had in the past, shows how far we’ve come in 6 months!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 27, 2021, 06:45:30
The club’s reasoning behind the choice of the kit

‘Town say the PUMA-manufactured kit - and the social media hashtag #OutOfTheDarkness - was designed to represent the club’s journey since being taken over by new owner Clem Morfuni, and as a nod to the bright future ahead.’

Could see it premiere at Orient, apparently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 27, 2021, 09:34:22
https://www.stfcdirect.com/2122-kit-training-wear/2122-kit/third-kit/2787_2122-team-flash-jersey.html

Saw it in the club shop on Tuesday, looks better in the flesh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 27, 2021, 10:22:42
Saw it in the club shop on Tuesday, looks better in the flesh.
TBF it couldn't look a lot worse IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:13:50
Is it Wednesday for all parties to respond to the FA charges?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:36:43
I'm 6'3 with a bit of a gut, size suggestions from the real world??

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:24:17
I'm 6'3 with a bit of a gut, size suggestions from the real world??

Sent from my SM-A125F
I'm normally on the borderline of small and medium clothing. Tried a small home kit on in the club shop and thought I was going to have to rip my way out of it. Ordered a large!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cheltred on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:49:00
Is it Wednesday for all parties to respond to the FA charges?
Yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:06:03
I'm 6'3 with a bit of a gut, size suggestions from the real world??

Sent from my SM-A125F

XXL


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:22:55
Lee Power looking to take over a club in Bulgaria


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:27:10
Lee Power looking to take over a club in Bulgaria

Good luck to him, doesn’t deserve some of the flack he gets. Done a good job here.
I actually sent him a letter to thank him not so long ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:30:25
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I sent him an email too thanking him for his hard work


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:34:15
Evading his inevitable FA ban here. He’s obviously up to no good. It’s never been about the football. It’s always been about using a football club for ‘other’ purposes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:35:23
Imagine the scenes if he fucked up a mafia owned club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:42:13
Evading his inevitable FA ban here. He’s obviously up to no good. It’s never been about the football. It’s always been about using a football club for ‘other’ purposes.

Wasn't he looking at another club abroad previously? In Montenegro if I recall correctly.

I see he managed to leave Waterford and they are now in the league below! Everything he touches turns to Merde!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:43:39
Lee Power looking to take over a club in Bulgaria

How is Shaun Hodgetts' Bulgarian?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:44:37
.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VC1_tdnZq1A


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 10:01:18
Quote from: tans
Lee Power looking to take over a club in Bulgaria

https://twitter.com/shumanskoo/status/1465605479741153282?t=9YOAArbK-liQIL7-LmhanQ&s=19

Former Swindon Town chairman Lee Power is reportedly in advanced talks with Bulgarian top-flight club Pirin Blagoevgrad to acquire the club, reveals newspaper Tema Sport. Pirin are currently coached by ex-Northern Ireland international Warren Feeney. There might be a deal in Jan https://t.co/XLTc2JNfwl

also wants opinions

https://twitter.com/shumanskoo/status/1465607189373067272?t=2IOwD9SzD1QKY6pIS45rmQ&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 10:55:06
I see Berbatov came through their yoofs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 12:46:20
Bulgarians don't fuck about. His security he had hear kept him from anyone chinning him but over there it might not be enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 13:09:21
Our glorious former manager might be refreshed and up for a new challenge as and when the takeover goes through.

I'm sure that the challenges of a Cyrillic team sheet 15 mins before kick off would not present a major hurdle for the great man to overcome.
Just learn a few essential Bulgarian swear words, retain a vague recollection of who the players are, find a cheap gaff on the Black Sea coast and that's it.

Plovdiv International Airport is not far away so Audrey would be able to make it to a few home games as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 13:43:16
The visions of John Sheridanov shouting inane shite on the sideline to a group of Bulgarians is somewhat amusing - but not for them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 13:58:07
He can Popov for all I care.

On a more serious note, if he is, indeed, buying a club there, then I doubt he gives 2 fucks about the impending FA charge and won’t have responded or produced any documentation as required..

If Standing and Barry also have no interest in remaining the game it could well be a very short hearing.

Without Power, I presume Clem et al will just, correctly, say they knew absolutely nothing about any supposed shenanigans.

I doubt the Bulgarian FA have a fit and proper person test.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 16:31:17
Btw, it surely can’t be a coincidence that news of this has broken the day before the FA charges are heard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 16:33:07
Btw, it surely can’t be a coincidence that news of this has broken the day before the FA charges are heard.

Are they being heard, isn't it just that the response to the charges had to be with the FA/FL by tomorrow?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 16:38:24
I’m presuming there will be little, if any, response from Power. Why would he bother. If he’s going to buy a club in Bulgaria to continue his nefarious ownership there’s no benefit in complying with the FA.

What can they do? He already knows he’ll be banned so why bother with the hassle?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 16:42:37
I’m presuming there will be little, if any, response from Power. Why would he bother. If he’s going to buy a club in Bulgaria to continue his nefarious ownership there’s no benefit in complying with the FA.

What can they do? He already knows he’ll be banned so why bother with the hassle?
Could face a fine


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 16:44:04
Maybe. But who can enforce that if he has no interest in being involved in English football again.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 18:31:00
No doubt the "Fee to pay" card will plop through the FA HQ letterbox  tomorrow.
They'll have to pay up for the back of a fag packet scribbled notes in the C7 envelope.
The ringing endorsement from Gianni Infantino should help to seal the deal.

Lee Power is incapable of recognizing that he has done anything wrong.
Always a case of well it wasn't toooo bad wherever he turns up next.
 
Must remember to not roll up at the sorting office if any "Fee to pay" cards end up on my doormat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 23:03:05
He can Popov for all I care.

On a more serious note, if he is, indeed, buying a club there, then I doubt he gives 2 fucks about the impending FA charge and won’t have responded or produced any documentation as required..

If Standing and Barry also have no interest in remaining the game it could well be a very short hearing.

Without Power, I presume Clem et al will just, correctly, say they knew absolutely nothing about any supposed shenanigans.

I doubt the Bulgarian FA have a fit and proper person test.

I doubt the Bulgarian FA have a fit and proper person test.

They are I understand rather picky over the type of envelopes used for ‘wage packets’, legitimate or otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 2, 2021, 11:16:06


I doubt the Bulgarian FA have a fit and proper person test.

Bit like us then, evidently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:12:14
Able issue a winding up order.

Good luck with that one


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:13:46
I suspect they are on the wind up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:16:08
How do you spot those snippets of information


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:22:16
I thought Able paid Lee Power a deposit anyway. Therefore he should be liable?

Bit of luck Clem told them to fuck themselves anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:24:18
Technically, they have presented a winding up petition. The court will decide whether to make an order in due course.  Presumably, the petitioning creditor has carefully considered this course of action before taking it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:25:38

It would have been to the club, then taken out of the club you would expect.
I thought Able paid Lee Power a deposit anyway. Therefore he should be liable?

Bit of luck Clem told them to fuck themselves anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 21:25:54
Ha, as if it wasn’t already clear as day Power was behind Able, this happens.

The bloke has some nerve, you have to give him that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 4, 2021, 23:36:12
Quote from: tans
Able issue a winding up order.

Good luck with that one

wtf!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 00:18:16
I gather a certain person with the surname "Power" has likely been on the icing sugar and came up with the confidence to submit this petition?!

That dude gets more like Tony Tucker every day!  :pint:

Serious questions here:
How in the hell can a "company" submit a petition, still expect to remain mostly anonymous (especially considering their supposed involvement), and be purely represented by a solicitor?

Is it perfectly legal for them to do as such?
And if so, does it actually help, hinder, impact any gravitas for genuine claims if they submit it anonymously (personnel wise)?
Surely someone from that company has to make themselves known?

Of course, it's likely we all know who "ABLE" is anyway. It'd look incredibly stupid if "he" rolled up to the courtroom/Teams meeting but we all know these days people don't even need to show their face.

Hopefully this falls flat on it's face and the court will see right through this  ::)
*crosses all sets of six fingers and toes*


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 07:15:06
Here it is



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:11:06
There’s another advisory board meeting imminent (if not already held) so I expect we’ll find out more then at least.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 08:31:27
The minutes from the last advisory board stated that Able were threatening a petition and that the legal team were all over it. I can't recall or find the figure that Able supposedly put into the club - c.100k springs to mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:08:50
Winders shouldn't be used for disputed sums.  If it is disputed, I wonder why the debtor didn't apply for an injunction to restrain presentation of a petition.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:16:20
Winders shouldn't be used for disputed sums.  If it is disputed, I wonder why the debtor didn't apply for an injunction to restrain presentation of a petition.
HMRC regularly do this for non-payment don't they?


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:31:20
2.1 EP provided Legal update and noted he would need to leave the meeting after his update due to work commitments. EP provided an update on current legal issues that the Club is dealing
with. Starting with a legal claim from Able for an alleged loan to the Club. There are questions on how the loan was made and who made it and their links with the previous ownership. EP is
working to defend the claim as best possible for the Club

(October)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:35:16
I’m wondering if we can counter sue for anything?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:40:40
November minutes: Able
– a petition has been threatened but EP has challenged and appointed a QC to help STFC fight the claims for the debts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:47:48
If the debtor can show that the 'debt' is disputed on grounds that appear substantial, the petition should be dismissed.

If the debt is disputed, it should be pursued as a county court/high court claim, depending on the financial value.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 09:48:56
HMRC regularly do this for non-payment don't they?

Not much of a dispute where unpaid tax is concerned


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 10:01:44
Not much of a dispute where unpaid tax is concerned
so by going down this route, are able saying there is no dispute?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 10:03:33
Was it ever established who was or is behind Able?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 10:18:18
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
Was it ever established who was or is behind Able?

not really

a couple of names US side and a bucket load of suspicion


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 10:37:30
Was it ever established who was or is behind Able?

Lee Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 10:47:41
Did we ever find out the origin of that letter that seemed to have started the collapse of Power’s house of cards?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 11:01:15
Lee Power

You nearly had me choke on my Micky D’s yesterday you sod. 😁 I was thinking more like the American bods fronting Able rather than than Pee Lower.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 5, 2021, 13:10:21
so by going down this route, are able saying there is no dispute?

The petitioning creditor will say that it is a 'debt' and that that it isn't/cannot be disputed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, December 6, 2021, 10:43:13
You nearly had me choke on my Micky D’s yesterday you sod. 😁 I was thinking more like the American bods fronting Able rather than than Pee Lower.
Still Lee Power. If i remember rightly Lee Power also said in court that it was a non-refundable deposit so that was a bit silly of him


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, December 6, 2021, 10:52:06
The biggest compliment i can give Clem and the new regime is that despite another winding-up order for the first time in a very long time we as fans don't seem to care and are not worried


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 6, 2021, 11:10:53
I think an update from the club on both this and the FA/FL charge would at least be useful to stop too many Hares setting off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, December 6, 2021, 11:51:45
I think an update from the club on both this and the FA/FL charge would at least be useful to stop too many Hares setting off.
There will be one in the next few days for sure as i believe the next meeting is this week


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 12:38:18
Posted on Twitter by Alex Pollock from the Trust a short while ago:

"We've just concluded December's Advisory Board Meeting at #STFC - it's great to see the ongoing progress and to have an open dialogue with the club.

Fans: keep an eye out for the minutes and notes on the club's website soon."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:19:08
Clubs bank account frozen due to the winding up order. Seems maybe a bit more substantial than first assumed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:20:58
Clubs bank account frozen due to the winding up order. Seems maybe a bit more substantial than first assumed?
Is that 'was frozen' or 'has now been' frozen?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:22:41
Quote from: Bogus Dave
Clubs bank account frozen due to the winding up order. Seems maybe a bit more substantial than first assumed?

I'm sure JBZ will be along to give his one line opinion shortly


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:23:48
No order will have been made yet.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:24:26
I'm sure JBZ will be along to give his one line opinion shortly

Happy to help


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:25:08
Just about a line😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:25:25
:)

where did you get that info from Dave?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Monday, December 13, 2021, 20:28:38
Presentation/advertisement of the petition usually results in accounts being frozen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kirky69 on Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:18:49
Presentation/advertisement of the petition usually results in accounts being frozen.

100% correct. Was in Banking for 30+ years, dealt with a few in my time and accounts always frozen until and if petition is dismissed. Presumably lawyers are arguing the toss now and hopefully resolved in our favour. Maybe a settlement will be needed to get rid asap, as clearly very inconvenient not being able (excuse the pun) to access substantial credit monies -  as indicated in meeting notes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:21:36
Can someone please post a link so I can fill in the gaps in what you've all obviously already read!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:47:53
Sorry, petition. I misspoke

But about the frozen accounts was in the athletic, although if it’s BAU process then I guess all is as it was


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:52:17
On The Athletic

Swindon bank account frozen

Swindon Town are facing a winding-up petition at the High Court of Justice on January 12, five days after the League Two side host Manchester City in the third round of the FA Cup, reports Matt Slater.

That fixture, which will be televised by ITV, should raise some much-needed funds for a club that was relegated last season, millions of pounds in debt and at the centre of a bitter ownership dispute.

That row was resolved in July, when Australian businessman Clem Morfuni won the right to buy the club, replacing controversial former owner Lee Power. Working closely with the supporters’ trust, Morfuni quickly stabilised Swindon, enabling them to sign players, hire staff and pay off numerous unpaid bills, including the rent for their County Ground home.

But there was one bill Morfuni and the club’s new board did not want to pay, a £100,000 claim from AC Sports Wiltshire LLC, as they believe it was a non-refundable deposit — not a loan — paid to Power as part of AC Sports’ attempt to buy Swindon in 2019, long before they gained control of the club.

At that time, Power said AC Sports was linked to an American-based property firm called Able but the names of the people behind the bid, or why they were interested in Swindon, were never made clear.

But they have not gone away and solicitors acting on their behalf filed the petition on November 29. As a result, the club’s bank account has been frozen. Swindon’s lawyers unsuccessfully asked the court to reconsider that move last week. Neither Able nor AC Sports have a website and the address given for the latter on the petition appears to be a “brass plate address” in Delaware.

The Athletic understands Morfuni’s UK-based company is financially supporting the club and there is no sense of panic. There is, however, a huge amount of frustration, as Swindon believe they will have to very reluctantly pay off AC Sports to avoid further legal bills and distractions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Monday, December 13, 2021, 21:54:26
That fills in a lot of blanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 13, 2021, 22:11:39
Thank you.

For those who don't know, the 'Brass Plate Address' reference just means that Able and AC Sports are shell companies.

Shell companies are entities that do not have active business operations but are set up to achieve specific business objectives such as reducing tax liabilities, shielding an entity from legal risks, raising capital, and often, for illegal purposes such as laundering money, hiding beneficial ownership from law enforcement or circumventing sanctions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:16:31
Power must have been raging when he saw us drawing Man City at home in the FA Cup for a live TV game that generates a nice windfall.

Also looks like he may have the last laugh with this £100,000 if this article is to be believed. It seems like we have a shit hot legal team that might be able to make this go away, but it may be 'easier' to use some of the income from the cup tie to flush the turd away and get back to running the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:41:03
Also looks like he may have the last laugh with this £100,000 if this article is to be believed.

I think laugh is pushing it, just a small giggle I suspect considering that the club was apparently worth £7m and even if this £100k is paid back he still only got £350k  :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:

I wonder whether in responding to this the club are seeking to get details of who is behind Able to show a link to the previous proprietor.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:42:38
They have to respond and/pay to head off a winding up order


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:44:33
They have to respond and/pay to head off a winding up order

As its got to this stage does this suggest that Able have proven that the debt is both legitimate (i.e. a loan not  a deposit) and owing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:48:06
If legal costs are going to exceed money owed to ICBINP*, or will take too long to resolve,then head has to rule heart. It'll leave a bad taste, but cutting your nose off to spite your face isn't worth it

*I can't believe it's not Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:50:55
I think laugh is pushing it, just a small giggle I suspect considering that the club was apparently worth £7m and even if this £100k is paid back he still only got £350k  :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:

I wonder whether in responding to this the club are seeking to get details of who is behind Able to show a link to the previous proprietor.

Yes, perhaps that phrase was wide of the mark. But £350k is still a decent wedge to the layman.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 09:51:58
As it's a loan, does any reference to Interest payments get a mention?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 10:00:33
Yes, perhaps that phrase was wide of the mark. But £350k is still a decent wedge to the layman.

Indeed it is, which is why I often get pissed off at fans moaning that the owner won't bung a couple of 100k in to buy a striker for instance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 10:18:14
As its got to this stage does this suggest that Able have proven that the debt is both legitimate (i.e. a loan not  a deposit) and owing?

If the debtor can show this isn't a genuine debt and that it is disputed on grounds that appear to the court to be substantial, a petition should be dismissed the creditor should issue a debt claim instead.  This will be considered at the hearing next month (there are likely to be further hearings).

The athletic report refers to getting the account unfrozen and they may have sought a validation order.

I am unable to provide detailed analysis on this open forum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:45:03
Rob Angus just on BBC Wilts.

Club likely to go to court to fight this, Clems UK companies supporting club with funding if needed


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:49:03
Rob Angus just on BBC Wilts.

Club likely to go to court to fight this, Clems UK companies supporting club with funding if needed

Won't that take ages? (Given how long the Power v Standing court case is taking) How does Clem's UK company supporting club funding help if our Bank Account has been frozen? Does that mean that the bills will temporarily be paid out of his company account rather than the club bank account until it's all resolved?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:50:01
Court in January i think


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:50:21
Won't that take ages? (Given how long the Power v Standing court case is taking) How does Clem's UK company supporting club funding help if our Bank Account has been frozen? Does that mean that the bills will temporarily be paid out of his company account rather than the club bank account until it's all resolved?
Clem has paid shit loads on his credit card the last 6 months already. Someone has to pay the bills upfront when companies will not deal with us


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:55:23
Won't that take ages? (Given how long the Power v Standing court case is taking)


This is a wholly different process


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:57:57
Clem has paid shit loads on his credit card the last 6 months already. Someone has to pay the bills upfront when companies will not deal with us

Furry muff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:58:13
This is a wholly different process

I did wonder. Danke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 16:59:39
Clem has paid shit loads on his credit card the last 6 months already. Someone has to pay the bills upfront when companies will not deal with us

Now you're making me feel guilty about moaning about the (unconfirmed) Man City ticket prices

One hopes "the club" paid him back immediately


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 17:12:36
Now you're making me feel guilty about moaning about the (unconfirmed) Man City ticket prices

One hopes "the club" paid him back immediately
just glad to have a football club no matter what.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 17:16:27
Now you're making me feel guilty about moaning about the (unconfirmed) Man City ticket prices

One hopes "the club" paid him back immediately
Sorry mate not my intention at all. This is one of those situations that i believe no one is right or wrong. The club will upset someone either way with whatever they do with the tickets. All i do know is that the likes of Puma ,Barnes Coaches and numerous others were paid on the spot by clems personal credit card


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 17:18:27
He’s just trying to get air miles


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 17:30:13
He’s just trying to get air miles

You see, there is always a way to make personal profit out of a football club!

Clem, you're a lovely chap, transfer some over and be a duck.  I could do with an upgrade on my return flight to Atlanta.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 17:39:48
He’s just trying to get air miles
Haha fucker don't need anymore


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, December 15, 2021, 08:11:54
Power must have been raging when he saw us drawing Man City at home in the FA Cup for a live TV game that generates a nice windfall.

Also looks like he may have the last laugh with this £100,000 if this article is to be believed. It seems like we have a shit hot legal team that might be able to make this go away, but it may be 'easier' to use some of the income from the cup tie to flush the turd away and get back to running the club.
Wouldn't have happened had he still been here.  We wouldn't have got past round one,  or even worse, by now, not even got a club to follow.
Worse thing to ever happen at this club. Blokes a total cunt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 13:46:01
Swinton Reds accounts lodged with Companies House.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 16:08:57
Swinton Reds accounts lodged with Companies House.

Anything of interest in them ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 16:23:03
Anything of interest in them ?

Absolutely nothing apart from them being signed by one C Morfuni rather than L Power, which was nice!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 17:10:31
OOOh, good stuff


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 23:10:02
A brilliantly open (as always) hour from Rob Angus with Vic Morgan earlier, I’ve just watched back.

Not too much of note really, nothing new on the winding up order however it did make me laugh that Rob/Clem are calling those fans who’ve requested a ST refund directly to try and talk them round into changing their mind! It’s seems they’ve had some success too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 16, 2021, 23:30:18
A brilliantly open (as always) hour from Rob Angus with Vic Morgan earlier, I’ve just watched back.

Not too much of note really, nothing new on the winding up order however it did make me laugh that Rob/Clem are calling those fans who’ve requested a ST refund directly to try and talk them round into changing their mind! It’s seems they’ve had some success too.

I will look forward to the call then ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 17, 2021, 08:41:02
Rob/Clem are calling those fans who’ve requested a ST refund directly to try and talk them round into changing their mind! It’s seems they’ve had some success too.
Christ are they still trying to wriggle out of that? If people want a refund just let them have it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crispy on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:05:48
A brilliantly open (as always) hour from Rob Angus with Vic Morgan earlier, I’ve just watched back.

Not too much of note really, nothing new on the winding up order however it did make me laugh that Rob/Clem are calling those fans who’ve requested a ST refund directly to try and talk them round into changing their mind! It’s seems they’ve had some success too.

Not sure how well that sits with me to be honest, trying to pressure people out of refunds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:07:32
Christ are they still trying to wriggle out of that? If people want a refund just let them have it.

I couldn't agree more. The club don't know an individual's financial situation nor should they ring to ask them to change their minds. It's around £14k, pay it & be done with it as it could have been far worse had the other 2800plus still held firm for money back....


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:13:31
if you need the money. stay firm!

if you are thinking of waiving, try and wangle a free table for 10 in sponsors suite. Remember it was my idea :)
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I'm not comfortable with it either to be honest.

on one hand the club have money in the bank "many times over" to pay 100k to fAble (sic).

on the other we are so tight on money we can't pay back our own fans

there is good credit control and financial sense, but this seems a bit extreme.

what state is the club in really ??!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:25:01
I couldn't agree more. The club don't know an individual's financial situation nor should they ring to ask them to change their minds. It's around £14k, pay it & be done with it as it could have been far worse had the other 2800plus still held firm for money back....

Yeah this is one of the things that I don't think the club have done very well at all. It's 140 people out of 3,000 ish as you say, it's a small cost in the grand scheme of things for people that clearly need(ed) the money. For me this bill should have been prioritised and settled and you'd have 140 content supporters. Now surely these fans are going to think long and hard about putting their hard earned into the club.

And to boot, with the open and honest nature of the club, all the other fans can see this issue lingering on, which surely is poor PR for STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:25:04
What's next after the phone call. A personal visit to confirm you are really, really, really sure you want a refund?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:32:28
Yeah this is one of the things that I don't think the club have done very well at all. It's 140 people out of 3,000 ish as you say, it's a small cost in the grand scheme of things for people that clearly need(ed) the money. For me this bill should have been prioritised and settled and you'd have 140 content supporters. Now surely these fans are going to think long and hard about putting their hard earned into the club.

And to boot, with the open and honest nature of the club, all the other fans can see this issue lingering on, which surely is poor PR for STFC.

It certainly isn't great PR especially in a week where they've confirmed the City ticket pricing  :zipped:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:41:49
What's next after the phone call. A personal visit to confirm you are really, really, really sure you want a refund?
Telegram from Her Majesty?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:42:24
I couldn't agree more. The club don't know an individual's financial situation nor should they ring to ask them to change their minds. It's around £14k, pay it & be done with it as it could have been far worse had the other 2800plus still held firm for money back....

Is it only £100 per ST holder then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:46:05
Is it only £100 per ST holder then?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/season-tickets-on-sale-today/
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As the club statement that was released on Saturday morning stated, all 2020/21 season ticket holders can request a refund, minus the cost of an iFollow pass (£230)

So more like £150 for an adult, but I assume some will be OAP and U18s, and some from the cheaper Town End.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:50:50
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/season-tickets-on-sale-today/
So more like £150 for an adult, but I assume some will be OAP and U18s, and some from the cheaper Town End.

It was originally £130 (adult) for the side stands however the club changed their stance & said that they would also deduct money if you went to either game last December which will take it down to about £90-100 (if you went to both).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, December 17, 2021, 09:51:39
What's next after the phone call. A personal visit to confirm you are really, really, really sure you want a refund?
Clem turning up on the doorstep dressed as Rockin Robin.

Seriously though, they should just stump up now - the funds are obviously there given what was said about being able to pay ABLE (see what I did there) several times over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:06:40
Maybe they will ask all ST holders who waived a refund to stump up a bit more to pay those that didn’t?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:10:19
Maybe they will ask all ST holders who waived a refund to stump up a bit more to pay those that didn’t?

I shouldn't laugh however this made me  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:15:49
Maybe they will ask all ST holders who waived a refund to stump up a bit more to pay those that didn’t?
they could add a few quid on to ticket prices to cover historical debts such as season ticket refunds


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:30:44
Angus did say that they will be looking at other things they can offer to people who have waived season ticket refunds... so perhaps more to come


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:44:53
Angus did say that they will be looking at other things they can offer to people who have waived season ticket refunds... so perhaps more to come

What is their issue with just refunding? They seem to be digging their heels in for literally no benefit here?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:56:58
What is their issue with just refunding? They seem to be digging their heels in for literally no benefit here?

One would imagine as in a business that is unable to wash its own face and owes a cool few million every penny counts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 17, 2021, 10:59:43
It is a word of caution for the Man City game though isn’t it as I wonder what efforts they’ll go to to avoid refunds if Covid impacts that?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, December 17, 2021, 11:16:37
Very little, we get that you aren’t happy about the ticket prices but you’re just being ridiculous now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, December 17, 2021, 12:03:17
I think he just likes moaning for the sake of moaning :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 17, 2021, 12:13:31
Very little, we get that you aren’t happy about the ticket prices but you’re just being ridiculous now

Do you think so, because I have to be fair that did cross my mind too.

Maybe they will refund £25 & keep the rest for the commemorative match ticket ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 17, 2021, 12:39:11
soapy tit wank, I'm disappointed the match tickets for our 3 will 'only' come to £85

can they put it up 15 so I can pay on credit card and get section 75 protection :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: blinkpip on Friday, December 17, 2021, 17:36:35
I'm considering asking for a refund now. The customer service is absolutely shocking and is winding me up big time lately.
I ordered the 3rd kit for my son within seconds it went on sale and they still haven't despatched it. Obliviously I want it for Christmas for him, but I'm expecting another fuck up like last year when I didn't receive any till late January despite ordering again within seconds it went on sale (August last year). Surely you work through who orders it first.
If I don't hear nothing by Monday, I will pressure for it.
So pissed off to keep giving them my money with shit service. :soapbox:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 17, 2021, 17:40:40
the supporters club were asking for volunteers yesterday and today to help with shirt packing

I know that's no use to you unless they can tell you if yours has been sent, and with the post being a bit rubbish for obvious reasons it's a bit fine...

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Hi all,

Due to a delay in receipt of the delivery of shirts the help with packing is now this Thursday (11am-7pm) & Friday (9am-7pm).

As we have had to change the dates there are some volunteers who were able to help that now are not available, so I am putting out another plea for help.     Thank you to people I have already contacted.

If you are able to help at all within the required timeframe, please let me know and we will add you to the rota.

Thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: blinkpip on Friday, December 17, 2021, 17:47:05
the supporters club were asking for volunteers yesterday and today to help with shirt packing

I know that's no use to you unless they can tell you if yours has been sent, and with the post being a bit rubbish for obvious reasons it's a bit fine...

Nice one, didn't see that  :D Nothing posted yet though, but I so need it by next Friday. (I think the issues I had last year sets me off big time)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: china red on Friday, December 17, 2021, 19:40:54
I'm considering asking for a refund now. The customer service is absolutely shocking and is winding me up big time lately.
I ordered the 3rd kit for my son within seconds it went on sale and they still haven't despatched it. Obliviously I want it for Christmas for him, but I'm expecting another fuck up like last year when I didn't receive any till late January despite ordering again within seconds it went on sale (August last year). Surely you work through who orders it first.
If I don't hear nothing by Monday, I will pressure for it.
So pissed off to keep giving them my money with shit service. :soapbox:

Got ours within a week, tbh with you it looks pretty shit in real life.  Think someone described it as looking like a bin bag, which I wouldn’t disagree with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, December 17, 2021, 20:47:49
Agreed the service has been shocking from the club shop. Was informed on Monday by STFC that my order had been processed and DHL would deliver Tuesday. As of this morning still no shirt. Called in at DHL on way back to work to see if still at the depot. According to their system it was never sent out by STFC in the first place. Later on today I get another message from the club saying my order is being processed and will be delivered by DHL. Utter shambles. Genuinely concerned a lot of people bought these shirts for Christmas gifts and a lot of people going to be let down it seems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, December 17, 2021, 21:15:06
Is the club shop actually open next week, does anyone know? I would ask the club, but that’s kind of the problem - it’s difficult to find out. I’ve got Christmas presents to collect and it’s a 40minute drive for me… so it would be good to know!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: sir windon on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 09:15:34
Is the club shop actually open next week, does anyone know? I would ask the club, but that’s kind of the problem - it’s difficult to find out. I’ve got Christmas presents to collect and it’s a 40minute drive for me… so it would be good to know!

https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/sport/football/swindon-town-v-manchester-city-6365594.amp

The STFC store will be open from 10am to 6pm from Monday to Thursday, December 20 to 23, and will be shut on Christmas Eve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 10:48:46
Nice one Sir windon



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 12:58:14
Angus did say that they will be looking at other things they can offer to people who have waived season ticket refunds... so perhaps more to come
What, like a free day out in the club shop packing shirts ??.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 13:16:06
I'm considering asking for a refund now. The customer service is absolutely shocking and is winding me up big time lately.
I ordered the 3rd kit for my son within seconds it went on sale and they still haven't despatched it. Obliviously I want it for Christmas for him, but I'm expecting another fuck up like last year when I didn't receive any till late January despite ordering again within seconds it went on sale (August last year). Surely you work through who orders it first.
If I don't hear nothing by Monday, I will pressure for it.
So pissed off to keep giving them my money with shit service. :soapbox:

I have had mine for a week. Did you order as soon as went on sale?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, December 18, 2021, 15:50:22
I know "tis the season..." and all that but I find it concerning that the club can't afford to take on some temp staff to put shirts in boxes...

Devil in the detail but if I'm honest all I'm seeing lately appears to be spin. There's several small things compounding under the surface and I think (the outstanding debts aside) Clem possibly doesn't have the depth of pockets we were kind of sold that he supposedly has (or wants to use). Skintus McGintus.

I am wondering if their next PR stunt is going to be setting up a soup kitchen for the homeless but then asking an unfortunate person to pay £5 but with the promise of being able to get £5 off the Northampton match (which will strategically graded at £5 higher price than the usual rate) but you know, its all to help get the club out of debt quicker...

Tell you what... Nope. You want to treat the club like a business then take responsibility for the debts you inherited and know about. STFC is not a fan owned or 50/50 club. Not at present. If I buy a business with debts owing and even discover more debts, that's on me. I can't continually expect my clients/customers too waive fees or pay higher prices and disguise it as doing a favour for them because this is what a lot of this bullshit is at present. They can't play the "community club" narrative on one hand but when it comes to taking the piss (and your cash) with the other hand say "it's just bizniz innit ya bastards".

More spinning than your local leisure centre!

Merry Christmas  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 06:00:19
Looks like something going on with the articles of association of stfc Ltd, albeit won't be reviewable on the CH website for 10 days.

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 07:00:09
I'd imagine Clem is removing/amending the clauses that Power inserted and fucked himself over with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 07:56:32
I know "tis the season..." and all that but I find it concerning that the club can't afford to take on some temp staff to put shirts in boxes...

Devil in the detail but if I'm honest all I'm seeing lately appears to be spin. There's several small things compounding under the surface and I think (the outstanding debts aside) Clem possibly doesn't have the depth of pockets we were kind of sold that he supposedly has (or wants to use). Skintus McGintus.

I am wondering if their next PR stunt is going to be setting up a soup kitchen for the homeless but then asking an unfortunate person to pay £5 but with the promise of being able to get £5 off the Northampton match (which will strategically graded at £5 higher price than the usual rate) but you know, its all to help get the club out of debt quicker...

Tell you what... Nope. You want to treat the club like a business then take responsibility for the debts you inherited and know about. STFC is not a fan owned or 50/50 club. Not at present. If I buy a business with debts owing and even discover more debts, that's on me. I can't continually expect my clients/customers too waive fees or pay higher prices and disguise it as doing a favour for them because this is what a lot of this bullshit is at present. They can't play the "community club" narrative on one hand but when it comes to taking the piss (and your cash) with the other hand say "it's just bizniz innit ya bastards".

More spinning than your local leisure centre!

Merry Christmas  :D
Weirdly none of that makes any sense at all.

You want to treat the club like a business then take responsibility for the debts you inherited and know about You said.... He has just done that and everyone has gone mental. Rightly so to be fair but to say they are bullshitting etc is just fucking stupid


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 08:17:53
some of it does make sense sort of. I also worry the financial situation is far worse than we know/has been made public. I put this to someone in a chat the other day.

as bamboo said (I think!), lots of little things cumulating to make me wonder.

but equally, it could be the  'count every penny' mode that some would say is good business practice


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 08:48:38
Fans need to stop thinking Clem is super rich he is not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 09:30:26
Fans need to stop thinking Clem is super rich he is not.


Fair enough Duke, but hopefully he has sufficient resources to continue to effectively manage down the historic debt and underwrite the ongoing operating losses that go with owning a lower league club. Otherwise I can see issues further down the line and angst amongst some of our less less patient fan base.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 09:37:54
I don't think Clem has ever claimed to be super rich. He was able to provide evidence to the courts that he had the funds to save the club. I thought his stance was that there is no reason that STFC can't be self sustaining and turn a profit once the CG has been developed (and provided that club funds are not allegedly used to support lifestyles).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 09:44:30
I'd imagine Clem is removing/amending the clauses that Power inserted and fucked himself over with.

That was my thought....

Fans need to stop thinking Clem is super rich he is not.

but equally, it could be the  'count every penny' mode that some would say is good business practice

These are interlinked insofar as I suspect that whilst Clem is undoubtedly wealthy compared to us plebs, he is probably not that wealthy in football ownership terms.

As it stand we have club/business that appears unable to wash its face on day to day revenues and thus saving a pound here and a pound there is vital to getting it back on its feet again so if you know that you can get volunteers to come and help at the club shop it saves paying out for a paid member of staff to do so.

Its the age old football supporter argument, 'why on why won't the owner pay £250k for a striker' quickly followed by 'they have put the burgers up by 10p the thieving bastards'!

Fair enough Duke, but hopefully he has sufficient resources to continue to effectively manage down the historic debt and underwrite the ongoing operating losses that go with owning a lower league club. Otherwise I can see issues further down the line and angst amongst some of our less less patient fan base.

Which the advisory board minutes continue to show he does, and saving where they can will help speed that process. As noted previously a key matter must be getting the CCJ settled as that will allow the business to operate on a much stronger footing moving forward.  


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 09:49:43
Quote
Fans need to stop thinking Clem is super rich he is not.
that's fair enough Duke. I'm not having a pop, he was literally the only show in town anyway

I get he doesn't have pockets to offset a seasons debts.

what isn't clear is how close to the line we are in day to day operations terms.

I guess things should improve over time on that front


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 09:57:46
some of it does make sense sort of. I also worry the financial situation is far worse than we know/has been made public. I put this to someone in a chat the other day.

as bamboo said (I think!), lots of little things cumulating to make me wonder.

but equally, it could be the  'count every penny' mode that some would say is good business practice
The first day he walked in he asked for the receipts from the pens they had just bought from Tesco. He wants to run us properly and in his opinion, rightly or wrongly that includes maximizing every single opportunity we get financially. When you look at the staff we have bought in and the money spent on new gym gear and nutritionists and the away travel all being in order i think it all leads to being run properly.

Ticketing issues are a fucking joke down there but ultimately the issues, unfortunately, are from the system itself not the actual ticketing procedure. Where they have not helped themselves is communicating and also  allowing  extra tickets per person.

Clem has put in alot and just find it unfair when you start to see people start abusing him saying he is no different etc from previous owners. Don't get me wrong there is so much they have to improve on and lots of mistakes have been made but i think we are in a better position than some give us credit for

That's not a pop at you or anyone on here as such either tbf  but he has been getting a fair bit on social media


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 09:59:33
a good reply shrivvy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 10:20:21
Fans need to stop thinking Clem is super rich he is not.
Absolutely, hes a very rich man by our standards but not by any means in the great scheme of wealthiness.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 10:23:24
the old adage: how do you become a millionaire in football?

start by being a billionaire


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 10:57:36
If it ends up happening I still think refunds for the City match could be a early defining moment. If they try to wriggle out of or delay refunds then I think a lot of fans will rightly lose patience and questions will need to be answered.

I’m hoping they are being sensible and putting all the ticket money for the City game to one side until the match is played so that it is readily available for refunds should it be required. If they aren’t then that raises its own questions about how the club is being run….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 11:00:32
On the plus side with interest rates going up 0.1% last week there's a little profit to be made!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 12:32:26
that's fair enough Duke. I'm not having a pop, he was literally the only show in town anyway

I get he doesn't have pockets to offset a seasons debts.

what isn't clear is how close to the line we are in day to day operations terms.

I guess things should improve over time on that front

I know you weren’t mate.
The biggest challenge of the lot remains when the Courts unearth the true ownership details.
Until the Case is over we are not out of the woods by any any stretch of the imagination.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 14:03:40
The biggest challenge of the lot remains when the Courts unearth the true ownership details.
Christ if the true ownership details come out anything could happen, not even sure Clem comes out of it squeaky clean if that happens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 09:07:02
Christ if the true ownership details come out anything could happen, not even sure Clem comes out of it squeaky clean if that happens.

Nobody will come out of this club squeaky clean even more so the funding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 09:36:16
Nobody will come out of this club squeaky clean even more so the funding.

Not asking for clarity, but I hope that means historic, but I suspect the first bit means current too.

eek.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Moss on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 09:39:20
I think most of the fan base need to adopt a new fan attitude to complement the new ownership. As someone else rightly said many of the fans demanding a bigger playing budget/lower prices  lose their shit because the club is trying to maximise its income from its only customers - the fans.

If Clem is to be believed (and I believe him) STFC is being run as a not for profit organisation. Otherwise known as a charity.
That's the mindset the fans need to adopt for now IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 10:02:00
Nobody will come out of this club squeaky clean even more so the funding.

Unfortunately that could well be true. Could easily argue even now the source of funding to the club hasn’t really changed from the days of Power, just the front man.  Will be interesting how much detail comes out in the court case with regards to some of non-execs and lurkers in the background.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 10:07:51
Talking of which, did Zav's application for "board membership" (director?) get rejected by the EFL, or is it ongoing?

Its all gone very quiet on that. Obviusly he's still involved and around.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 10:09:39
STFC seems to have had more twists and turns than Silverstone.

Suggest we were all aware Di Canio's would end in tears and his reign was a train crash waiting to happen. Surely no one could have thought it would take this long and could be as big as it appears.

Really hope that this wheeling and dealing including double dealing is coming to an end and some stable times are coming in the future.


 



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 10:13:00
Talking of which, did Zav's application for "board membership" (director?) get rejected by the EFL, or is it ongoing?

Its all gone very quiet on that. Obviusly he's still involved and around.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/
He’s very much still involved, last thing I heard he was in Karachi earlier in the month meeting some politicians to support football over there, they referred to him as Swindon Town vice chairman.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 10:17:37
My reasoning in bringing up the Di Canio period was surely if Town had gotten a more conventional manager during this period possibly just possibly Black would not have thrown his toys out the pram and open the club up to Jed and his peers and then chancer Power could have been owning Rochdale or better still the Pox.

Such a shame really. COYMRs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 11:22:43
I was under the impression that Clem Morfuni and Austin were the guys who made the FA aware of what was going on once they realised


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 14:17:11
Thats what i thought too? Wasnt it pretty much confirmed thats how Zav Austin ended up getting beaten up?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 15:51:57
Thats what i thought too? Wasnt it pretty much confirmed thats how Zav Austin ended up getting beaten up?

Exactly what I understood, hopefully the FA / FL (eventually) will be lenient on the club when the time comes for this and many other reasons.

The next exciting instalment is January with the Able court case, hopefully having to explain their potentially interesting ownership and why they are using different vehicles to put in their non refundable deposit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, December 23, 2021, 08:55:40
Exactly what I understood, hopefully the FA / FL (eventually) will be lenient on the club when the time comes for this and many other reasons.

The next exciting instalment is January with the Able court case, hopefully having to explain their potentially interesting ownership and why they are using different vehicles to put in their non refundable deposit

All fuelled by Lee Power and his retribution “clause.”
Unsavoury characters these people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 23, 2021, 20:49:26
All fuelled by Lee Power and his retribution “clause.”
Unsavoury characters these people.

Unsavoury? Me thinks you’re being to generous Duke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, December 23, 2021, 20:56:53
I see the club have asked the supporters club for 'volunteer stewards' for upcoming games. Bit of a liberty when we were sold increased stewarding costs as a reason for increased Man City tickets  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: blinkpip on Friday, December 31, 2021, 18:14:44
I'm considering asking for a refund now. The customer service is absolutely shocking and is winding me up big time lately.
I ordered the 3rd kit for my son within seconds it went on sale and they still haven't despatched it. Obliviously I want it for Christmas for him, but I'm expecting another fuck up like last year when I didn't receive any till late January despite ordering again within seconds it went on sale (August last year). Surely you work through who orders it first.
If I don't hear nothing by Monday, I will pressure for it.
So pissed off to keep giving them my money with shit service. :soapbox:

Still no shirt or communication. I just bet they kept selling the shirts before fulling orders first, now sold out online  
and to also make worse Christmas, the boy and the wife had covid. (both fine, thankfully)
But the lack of communication and honestly does fuck me off, just reply.   :suicide:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: china red on Friday, December 31, 2021, 18:44:47
The shirts are tiny, mine was 6 odd inches too short, fine girth wise but sits around my belly button in length


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 3, 2022, 19:19:50
Still no shirt or communication. I just bet they kept selling the shirts before fulling orders first, now sold out online 
and to also make worse Christmas, the boy and the wife had covid. (both fine, thankfully)
But the lack of communication and honestly does fuck me off, just reply.   :suicide:

They still haven't cracked this comminication lark yet


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 09:35:37
The shirts are tiny, mine was 6 odd inches too short, fine girth wise but sits around my belly button in length

Did it come with a rubber sucker?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 09:35:58
To be fair to the club, I emailed them on New Years Eve about how I go about getting a refund for the Walsall game and got a response very quickly. Now whether the refund is actually processed within good time is another story but I was impressed with the clear and concise instruction in what looked a professional way.

Kind regards,

STFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 09:59:21
To be fair to the club, I emailed them on New Years Eve about how I go about getting a refund for the Walsall game and got a response very quickly. Now whether the refund is actually processed within good time is another story but I was impressed with the clear and concise instruction in what looked a professional way.

Kind regards,

STFC
Dont be hoodwinked, it’s all a front !!.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 08:01:01
Due we think the club are going to let us know how much wonga we made from last nights little exhibition match?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 08:56:14
You'd think it'll be in the next advisory board minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 09:10:38
You'd think it'll be in the next advisory board minutes.

Yeah my thoughts too, so hopefully that transpires.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 09:51:30
a question about the advertising boards. they all showed our standard sponsors, did we pay out for hire or are provided or have we spent money on them for future advertising return?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 10:51:00
a question about the advertising boards. they all showed our standard sponsors, did we pay out for hire or are provided or have we spent money on them for future advertising return?

My guess is they were ‘given’ to the club by the major sponsor Emerits just for this game. Doubt they will be there for the Gash game. Liked them though, made us look a little more upmarket.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 19:15:48
Due we think the club are going to let us know how much wonga we made from last nights little exhibition match?

Estimated between £300k and £400k.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 19:38:54
net


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 08:11:01
a question about the advertising boards. they all showed our standard sponsors, did we pay out for hire or are provided or have we spent money on them for future advertising return?
I think you’ll find that they come as part of the tv coverage package and will be removed afterwards


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:16:05
I think you’ll find that they come as part of the tv coverage package and will be removed afterwards

Makes a lot of sense now. Not that they’ll be removed, that is a given. Just the setting up, funding, advertising, payments etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 10, 2022, 20:32:25
In other thread, £300k for Twine with 20% sell on, £150k we've already had.

Twine money and Man City money coming in similar times is going to greatly help with cash flow and hopefully get us much closer to being in the black.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Gnasher on Monday, January 10, 2022, 22:35:59
Refusals C and D

https://highworthtowncouncil.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/04.1.2022-Planning-Minutes.pdf (https://highworthtowncouncil.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/04.1.2022-Planning-Minutes.pdf)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 07:07:49
Refusals C and D

https://highworthtowncouncil.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/04.1.2022-Planning-Minutes.pdf (https://highworthtowncouncil.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/04.1.2022-Planning-Minutes.pdf)


Can you interpret for those of us in the tl;dr camp? With zero chance STFC will train at a Pee Lower-owned facility, doesn’t the sports centre become a large white elephant?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 08:16:40
Can you interpret for those of us in the tl;dr camp? With zero chance STFC will train at a Pee Lower-owned facility, doesn’t the sports centre become a large white elephant?

Without knowing what I'm talking about, I read it as refusal of training ground = no one cares, refusal of houses = haha Power you thieving cunt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 10:53:04
Can you interpret for those of us in the tl;dr camp? With zero chance STFC will train at a Pee Lower-owned facility, doesn’t the sports centre become a large white elephant?

Basically recommended refusal of all of Power's plans. The homes will hit him the hardest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 12:48:12
I see that Scott Twine is already being touted by Swansea as a prospective signing this window for around £1m with MKD cashing in quickly, he would link up with the manager that signed him for MKD originally Russell Martin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 15:04:54
I see that Scott Twine is already being touted by Swansea as a prospective signing this window for around £1m with MKD cashing in quickly, he would link up with the manager that signed him for MKD originally Russell Martin.

Another £200k on top of the £300k we're already getting for Twine would be good business.

Added to the Man City revenue, it's such a good feeling that this will be going towards paying debts rather than the fat controllers prostitute fund.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022, 16:49:58
I see that new Articles of Association were adopted by STFC Ltd on the 20th December 2021. These can now be viewed on the CH website.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 14:22:45
Another £200k on top of the £300k we're already getting for Twine would be good business.

Added to the Man City revenue, it's such a good feeling that this will be going towards paying debts rather than the fat controllers prostitute fund.

Surely he will be worth more than that in a year or so the way he has been playing, you would think they would be mad to cash in now having only signed him 6 months ago


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 10:01:42
Got the refund for my Walsall ticket back in my bank today. Found the whole process easy and the club provided good communication by email.

Credit where it's due.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 10:39:18
Surely he will be worth more than that in a year or so the way he has been playing, you would think they would be mad to cash in now having only signed him 6 months ago
Depends what offers they get in the summer I suppose. If someone comes in willing to pay £2-£5m you probably feel you have to take it. He could break his leg in the first game of the next season and that money would be gone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 10:41:47
Depends what offers they get in the summer I suppose. If someone comes in willing to pay £2-£5m you probably feel you have to take it. He could break his leg in the first game of the next season and that money would be gone.

The known suitors are Swansea and Forest and they are unlikely to be putting up anything like that kind of money would they? I would have thought they likely go about as high as £1 mill? The good thing is Franchise only get 80% of that money so they are going to want to get that fee as high as they possibly can which benefits us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 12:29:03
Depends what offers they get in the summer I suppose. If someone comes in willing to pay £2-£5m you probably feel you have to take it. He could break his leg in the first game of the next season and that money would be gone.


“Surely he will be worth more than that in a year or so the way he has been playing, you would think they would be mad to cash in now having only signed him 6 months ago”

Depends on the mindset of the owners at MK. Scott Twine will have little (not none, but little) say in the matter. If they are building a credible team to take them to the championship he’d likely as not be touted by the club or Scott’s agent. If they’re up for a quick Buck then the opposite is likely. Scott will just want to play as often as he can and let his boots do the talking. As for breaking his leg!! Oh you’re a cheerful cunt aren’t you? Of course he could, equally he could next season bag 20+ goals for Franchise, I really don’t think the leg breaking possibilities would be a factor in his near term future and I doubt Aberdeen, Clem and Garner will be planning this transfer window or next seasons player procurement on the back of any monies the club may or may not get from MK and the sell on clause.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 13:05:27
The known suitors are Swansea and Forest and they are unlikely to be putting up anything like that kind of money would they? I would have thought they likely go about as high as £1 mill? The good thing is Franchise only get 80% of that money so they are going to want to get that fee as high as they possibly can which benefits us.
I've got no idea who is interested or what they can afford, but with Twine being touted as one of the top players in L1 this year the figures I mentioned aren't toally unthinkable. If the sum was nearer £1m then the decision might not be so clear cut, but if were top end of L1 I doub't we'd be turning that kind of money down for anyone.

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As for breaking his leg!! Oh you’re a cheerful cunt aren’t you? Of course he could, equally he could next season bag 20+ goals for Franchise, I really don’t think the leg breaking possibilities would be a factor in his near term future

Clearly my wild hypothetical scenario has riled you. Not sure why. But there are plenty of equally less dramatic possibilities. He struggles with niggly injuries which hamper his form and put people off buying. Squad changes over the summer don't really work to his strengths. MK go up and he doesn't quite cut it in the Champioship... All of these would detract from the fee they could get, hence taking the money while it's there.

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I doubt Aberdeen, Clem and Garner will be planning this transfer window or next seasons player procurement on the back of any monies the club may or may not get from MK and the sell on clause.
Agreed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 14:30:49
I've got no idea who is interested or what they can afford, but with Twine being touted as one of the top players in L1 this year the figures I mentioned aren't toally unthinkable. If the sum was nearer £1m then the decision might not be so clear cut, but if were top end of L1 I doub't we'd be turning that kind of money down for anyone.

Aren't dongs short of cash anyway so cashing in could be too hard to resist?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 14:47:45
I've got no idea who is interested or what they can afford, but with Twine being touted as one of the top players in L1 this year the figures I mentioned aren't toally unthinkable. If the sum was nearer £1m then the decision might not be so clear cut, but if were top end of L1 I doub't we'd be turning that kind of money down for anyone.

Clearly my wild hypothetical scenario has riled you. Not sure why. But there are plenty of equally less dramatic possibilities. He struggles with niggly injuries which hamper his form and put people off buying. Squad changes over the summer don't really work to his strengths. MK go up and he doesn't quite cut it in the Champioship... All of these would detract from the fee they could get, hence taking the money while it's there.
Agreed.

Riled?. Clearly?, you think? Nah, I’m just taking the piss, I don’t really care TBH.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 14:53:09
I've got no idea who is interested or what they can afford, but with Twine being touted as one of the top players in L1 this year the figures I mentioned aren't toally unthinkable. If the sum was nearer £1m then the decision might not be so clear cut, but if were top end of L1 I doub't we'd be turning that kind of money down for anyone.

Clearly my wild hypothetical scenario has riled you. Not sure why. But there are plenty of equally less dramatic possibilities. He struggles with niggly injuries which hamper his form and put people off buying. Squad changes over the summer don't really work to his strengths. MK go up and he doesn't quite cut it in the Champioship... All of these would detract from the fee they could get, hence taking the money while it's there.
Agreed.

Well, if your hypothesis is in the right direction why buy him if he is injury prone and summer reshuffles don’t suit him? I’d have thought that being the case other more savvy clubs wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole on that basis so cashing in is going to be very a limited possibility surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 15:27:53
Well, if your hypothesis is in the right direction why buy him if he is injury prone and summer reshuffles don’t suit him? I’d have thought that being the case other more savvy clubs wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole on that basis so cashing in is going to be very a limited possibility surely?

It's got nothing to do with being injury prone, as you well know. Simply that the offer of money now versus the uncertainty of the future is hard to resist, especially in a climate where many clubs have been starved of income. Very few clubs in League 1 can turn down a 7-figure offer in the hope of getting more further down the line.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, January 13, 2022, 17:19:18
It's got nothing to do with being injury prone, as you well know. Simply that the offer of money now versus the uncertainty of the future is hard to resist, especially in a climate where many clubs have been starved of income. Very few clubs in League 1 can turn down a 7-figure offer in the hope of getting more further down the line.
Power allegedly did this with Kasim & that didn't end well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 14, 2022, 11:31:21
Anyone heard anything more about ST refunds, wasn’t it supposed to happen in January?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 14, 2022, 12:04:53
my mate who was looking for a refund hasn't.

didn't get 'the call' either, but he may not have put his phone number on file


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 14, 2022, 12:08:16
my mate who was looking for a refund hasn't.

didn't get 'the call' either, but he may not have put his phone number on file
Your mate ;) :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 14, 2022, 12:40:36
I think I moaned enough about the man city ticket prices for you to know it genuinly isn't me.

besides, I've got a 'I'm a better fan than Posh'  T-Shirt the club sent me as a thank-you

(only joking posh, I don't blame anyone for asking for money back. the handling of this has been poweresque)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 14, 2022, 13:05:44
Interestingly I asked if I could have a credit for home tickets so I could bring my Dad along to some games.

This was what I’d requested for the refund for ST & away tickets from the previous season, which got written off.

But even for that I’ve heard nothing.

PS. I have found a way to save almost two grand a year though, don’t go to home games ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 14, 2022, 13:45:18
sounds a very pragmatic compromise

hopefully you'll get some comms soon


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 20, 2022, 16:43:13
I'll tell you what, credit where credit is due barely a day seems to go by without another commercial partner for the club being announced, even if they are not paying a fortune its really helping to swell the coffers and get the club out there.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 20, 2022, 16:58:20
I'll tell you what, credit where credit is due barely a day seems to go by without another commercial partner for the club being announced, even if they are not paying a fortune its really helping to swell the coffers and get the club out there.



Every little helps as the Tesco motto goes. It's about building relationships with local businesses as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 20, 2022, 17:00:44
I'll tell you what, credit where credit is due barely a day seems to go by without another commercial partner for the club being announced, even if they are not paying a fortune its really helping to swell the coffers and get the club out there.



Troo story.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 21, 2022, 16:25:19
Another one today. Mydis - official disinfectant partner!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 21, 2022, 16:47:04
Another one today. Mydis - official disinfectant partner!

They have been around for most of the season - i think they are just running a competition


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 21, 2022, 17:36:43
Another one today. Mydis - official disinfectant partner!

Can't beat a Mydis touch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 21, 2022, 17:42:50
And another

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/town-announce-partnership-with-dan-designs/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 21, 2022, 18:08:12
And, tbf, the Pox have announced one as well

https://www.justdial.com/jdmart/Jalgaon/Sakhi-Kunt-Company/9999PX257-X257-150408231736-Y9J7_BZDET/catalogue


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:47:57
Another partnership with Karachi FC in Pakistan. Wow!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/swindon-town-announce-exciting-new-partnership-with-karachi-fc/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:48:48
Another partnership with Karachi FC in Pakistan. Wow!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/swindon-town-announce-exciting-new-partnership-with-karachi-fc/

…I know a great restaurant in Karachi


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:51:21
Another partnership with Karachi FC in Pakistan. Wow!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/swindon-town-announce-exciting-new-partnership-with-karachi-fc/

bit random.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:53:54
Not if you read the article. First in a series of footballing partnerships throughout Asia. Really proactive from STFC. How many gems are out there just waiting to be found.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:55:15
Isn't that where Zavier Austin was not long back? Or did he just meet a representative in the UK?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 12:56:33
Ok, am I being thick. I can’t find anything to say a Karachi FC exists


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:03:17
There’s this. But the crest is different

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachi_United


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:04:43
There’s this. But the crest is different

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karachi_United

Yeah that’s what I found and couldn’t work out if it’s supposed to be the same team.
I saw the crest on the official club announcement and wondered if their kit was those colours and whether I could buy one!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:16:55
I can find no Karachi football club, and the badge doesn't reverse image search.

so 🤷‍♂️


anyway, can't see any harm in it, just a bit odd I can't find them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:20:50
I can find no Karachi football club, and the badge doesn't reverse image search.

so 🤷‍♂️


anyway, can't see any harm in it, just a bit odd I can't find them

I bet Milan Misun plays for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:21:50
It's probably just a money laundering scam.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:41:37
Not if you read the article. First in a series of footballing partnerships throughout Asia. Really proactive from STFC. How many gems are out there just waiting to be found.

No, I read the article and still find it a bit random. Especially as the football club doesn't seem to exist, certainly not in the top division in Pakistan.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:43:08
Karachi Untied have a ground capacity of 2000

if this is a lower level club is even more odd.

I'm not saying it's bad, just odd.

Also is Xav now an approved bone fide director?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:43:59
I’m looking forward to a half time curry in the DR, indeed a sponsorship deal which includes a promotional half-time curry being passed down the seating like Dominos.

As for finding hidden gems the next tie up will be with Outback Aussie Gold Hunters and Outback Opal Hunters, watch this space.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:44:29
I don't think you can say that any more LL


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:46:47
Eh?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:47:14
I’m looking forward to a half time curry in the DR, indeed a sponsorship deal which includes a promotional half-time curry being passed down the seating like Dominos.

As for finding hidden gems the next tie up will be with Outback Aussie Gold Hunters and Outback Opal Hunters, watch this space.
Bit of an antiquated reaction. Pakistan = curry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:47:39
Eh?

This
Bit of an antiquated reaction. Pakistan = curry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:48:24
I can confirm my Pakistani colleague has never heard of them, albeit he lives in Lahore rather than Karachi.

#sauces


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:49:13
I thought LL was part Asian?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:51:57
I thought LL was part Asian?

Is he? Ah, right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:53:53
I read that as part Aslan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 13:56:34
Bit of an antiquated reaction. Pakistan = curry.

But in the UK, in the main, Curry = Bangladesh?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 14:10:51
But in the UK, in the main, Curry = Bangladesh?

So I gather


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 14:11:50
I read that as part Aslan.

ROAR!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 14:16:56
Well a cursory search of the Internet throws up FC Karachi, which describes itself as 'the most visionary club in Pakistan' and has been having discussions with the British High Commissioner about modernising football in Pakistan...



.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 14:23:54
Well a cursory search of the Internet throws up FC Karachi, which describes itself as 'the most visionary club in Pakistan' and has been having discussions with the British High Commissioner about modernising football in Pakistan...
FC Karachi have a different badge to the one on the OS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 14:48:42
I’m sure the lack of mods can insert a traditional Pakistani dish into my tongue in cheek post regarding international cuisine options at the county ground. Or one of you can take exception and complain then I can be banned, I Don’t mind either way. Sure common sense will prevail either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 14:51:26
I imagine I haven't had Pakistani food before,  which I presume is actually a misnomer because it is likely much more regionalised than that given historical context of the "nation"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 15:00:10
I know a lot of Indian restaurants are Bangladeshi. I honestly don’t know whether Pakistani cuisine is intrinsically different.

Tbf, a choice away from flaccid burger and soggy chips would be a huge step forward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 15:23:23
FC Karachi have a different badge to the one on the OS.

I agree  but the badge on the OS may well be a generic Pakistani one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 16:03:13
I imagine I haven't had Pakistani food before,  which I presume is actually a misnomer because it is likely much more regionalised than that given historical context of the "nation"

My minimal experience of Pakistan has taught me that biryani, karahi, halwa and parathas are all common.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 17:38:32
I agree  but the badge on the OS may well be a generic Pakistani one.
Doing an image search online there are no occurances of that exact same badge anywhere or even similar style and or colour.

It may have been made up just for the purpose of filling a gap in the web site but that sounds most unusual.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 18:29:35
Approved!



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 18:37:37
Doesn't that mean a decision will be made in March, Aud?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 18:40:32
Doesn't that mean a decision will be made in March, Aud?

Reading Aud’s post it would seem so, but certainly looks extremely promising to my layman eyes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, January 26, 2022, 19:13:04
I suspect that an agreement has been reached with the valuation (in principle) albeit not rubber stamped and the groundwork cleared for approval without any hold ups. Equally it may also transpire that an understanding has been agreed that the rent arrears either have been or will be satisfied on or before the exchange of contracts on the sale. That sort of thing. The club are being run as it should have always been and the council need the bunce. The club could say to the council we’d like to have the terms of our lease changed to one where we pay with you undertaking the upkeep and repairs. That would frighten the council as they couldn’t get anyone else to take that over if they said no to that proposal. Best sell ASAP and let the club take the hit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 09:32:15
Approved!



How can it be approved if the decision is to be made on 16th March? Unless the decision is just a formality as I have no idea what that document you shared actually is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 10:11:00
Sadly nothing has changed or been decided, that screen dump (which can be found here https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=65126&Opt=0 ) dates from December and relates to notifying that the decision will be made at Cabinet on that date in March, ultimately whatever is agreed between the Council Officers and the club/Trust the final decision lies with the elected members and they are quite within their rights to turn it down whether a price has been agreed at that date or not.

Been nearly 20 yrs since I worked in local govt so not sure why this decision has to be previewed like this (from experience many non contentious matters have to go down very convoluted routes due to adopted standing orders), purely speculating - may be because its a sale of Council property (so ultimately belonging to the taxpayers of Swindon) or possibly related to the ACV issue or because its above a certain value or (as noted) due to its commercial nature certain details will not be made public within the reports relating to the sale considered at Cabinet?

Its another step on the way though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 10:14:39
I took it as the bit that said Approval to sell the freehold of the CG to a JV etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 10:35:02
I took it as the bit that said Approval to sell the freehold of the CG to a JV etc

That looks like it's just the title of what the proposal is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 12:03:24
Guide to reporting fan behaviour....

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/reporting-poor-fan-behaviour-at-sn1/

Does this include flare throwing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 14:56:46
Separate matter, but Bolton, who used the Covid Future Fund, withdrew the max £5mn available and rather than pay it back, they've diluted it into an 8% share holding for the Future Fund bank, which is basically the tax payer. Bolton Wanderers have been nationalised.

Bolton have spent a lot in transfer fees this season, so makes me feel a bit sick from that perspective that this is probably from them gaming the system.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19877385.bolton-wanderers-convert-5million-covid-pandemic-loan-shares-company/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 15:32:16
Separate matter, but Bolton, who used the Covid Future Fund, withdrew the max £5mn available and rather than pay it back, they've diluted it into an 8% share holding for the Future Fund bank, which is basically the tax payer. Bolton Wanderers have been nationalised.

Bolton have spent a lot in transfer fees this season, so makes me feel a bit sick from that perspective that this is probably from them gaming the system.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19877385.bolton-wanderers-convert-5million-covid-pandemic-loan-shares-company/

Flabbergasted this is allowed, to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 27, 2022, 15:43:26
Separate matter, but Bolton, who used the Covid Future Fund, withdrew the max £5mn available and rather than pay it back, they've diluted it into an 8% share holding for the Future Fund bank, which is basically the tax payer. Bolton Wanderers have been nationalised.

Bolton have spent a lot in transfer fees this season, so makes me feel a bit sick from that perspective that this is probably from them gaming the system.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19877385.bolton-wanderers-convert-5million-covid-pandemic-loan-shares-company/

One would assume that someone at the bank (which whilst govt funded is independently run) feels there is potential to achieve a return on their investment by taking shares, they have been converting these small loans into shareholdings in hundreds of companies they invested in.

8% of total holding is hardly nationalised.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 15:55:03
is this guy still involved with the club (was he ever)?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19893428.former-brunel-rooms-boss-jason-ranford-jailed-christmas-attack/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19893428.former-brunel-rooms-boss-jason-ranford-jailed-christmas-attack/)

has fenced off bit by the old fitc/ticket office reverted to club control?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 15:58:12
"It was heard it occurred after Ranford had drunk between five and 15 vodka red bulls"

That's er... quite a range.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 16:01:23
may be wrong and he may never have been involved with STFC.

pretty sure his car used to be in the fenced off bit of the CG car park Power leased out

don't suppose it much matters


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 16:47:44
may be wrong and he may never have been involved with STFC.

pretty sure his car used to be in the fenced off bit of the CG car park Power leased out

don't suppose it much matters

I’ve have the displeasure of encountering him in the past. As far as I know his ties to town only go as far as Power’s former head of security, I forget his name, the one who got cited (along with Power) for abusing officials. They are best mates. So I expect he’s had Power’s ear on occasion.

One way or another he’s a thoroughly distasteful little man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 16:49:04
is this guy still involved with the club (was he ever)?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19893428.former-brunel-rooms-boss-jason-ranford-jailed-christmas-attack/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19893428.former-brunel-rooms-boss-jason-ranford-jailed-christmas-attack/)

has fenced off bit by the old fitc/ticket office reverted to club control?
Nah, he was just leased the bottom of the car park as a final kick in the bollocks and friends wth the head of security


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 16:55:05
ah right, that's good then. phew. Nothing to see here

Ben 'dolph' Gristwood is the security guy Qunk


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 16:57:36
ah right, that's good then. phew. Nothing to see here

Ben 'dolph' Gristwood is the security guy Qunk

That’s the one. Knew it was a Ben


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 17:42:29
That Dolphin guy still lords around the County Ground as though he is a prize attraction at Seaworld. He owns platinum security IIRC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 18:21:01
That Dolphin guy still lords around the County Ground as though he is a prize attraction at Seaworld. He owns platinum security IIRC.

He does indeed, a long with an older fella who is always in the boardroom on match days, that i had assumed was Jason Ranfords father, but perhaps not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 18:55:18
He isn't that bad a guy tbf, he was fucked around just as much as a lot of creditors


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 01:22:29
is this guy still involved with the club (was he ever)?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19893428.former-brunel-rooms-boss-jason-ranford-jailed-christmas-attack/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19893428.former-brunel-rooms-boss-jason-ranford-jailed-christmas-attack/)

has fenced off bit by the old fitc/ticket office reverted to club control?

Whatever he does, he seems to be involved with trouble.

Few assaults here and there & a bit of fraud before right.
Renting property from landlords then renting out the property he was renting. Taking the rent as ‘landlord’ and giving the actual landlords sob stories about family dying as to why he couldn’t pay rent.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 08:44:02
may be wrong and he may never have been involved with STFC.

pretty sure his car used to be in the fenced off bit of the CG car park Power leased out

don't suppose it much matters

he was in the directors box at Oldham.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 09:02:14
yeah, he doesn't seem to be the most pleasant, but I guess that's between him and the law.

As long as its not a formal association with the club...Which it seems not to be


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 4, 2022, 13:08:26
Gave up waiting for the club to contact me about ST refunds, despite several emails to ask what was happening. So decided to call the ticket office and they processed over the phone.

The stupid thing is that I’d have been happy with some credit on future home tickets, so I could take my Dad, but have now been given money back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 08:52:31
In typical Swindon fashion we get the feel good factor back with the club takeover, and the crowds start to return after years (apart from 1 season) in the doldrums, even the results (away) are very good. Things are looking up. Then we reach early December and the draw for the FA Cup, Man City are next to be put to the sword  :), oh dear it's a home draw  ::) We play very well considering, a plucky performance. Since that draw we seem to have gone right off the boil, our tempo has gone. With the exception of Northampton at home and Burslem away we seem to have lost our way. Our possession (tippy, tappy) football just seems to delay the inevitable, make 30 passes, it breaks down about 30 yards out, 2 passes and it's in the back of our net. Game over.
Being on the back foot doesn't work for us, attack with gusto and we can really punish teams in this division.
Please put the wheels back on and get back to winning ways. Thanks.

PS  The story I read about "blocking out external noise" I assume is ignoring crowd grumblings? Wrong approach imo, fans need to be engaged with. Wellens did a good job of that when he was here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 19:03:13
Is it just me that finds 'Zav' and the Karachi link utterly bizarre

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-enjoy-productive-trip-to-karachi/

Still, his past is in the past, I hope


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 19:06:06
Is it just me that finds 'Zav' and the Karachi link utterly bizarre

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-enjoy-productive-trip-to-karachi/

Still, his past is in the past, I hope

It does seem extremely odd.. yet again I’m not sure what funny business you could get up to? Seems strange but happy to go along with it - we asked for transparency after all


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 19:08:57
"This stuff attracts women like you would not believe" - Karachi Medical Gazette


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 20:40:24
Is it just me that finds 'Zav' and the Karachi link utterly bizarre

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-enjoy-productive-trip-to-karachi/

Still, his past is in the past, I hope

Maybe Clem fixed their bogs?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 23:02:46
It does all rather look like the kind of thing you'd get a minor but dim royal to do to keep him out of trouble. Not that minor royal obviously.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 23:38:19
Again that club badge which doesn’t exist anywhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 08:49:31
I don’t really get it. If we spot talented players, we’d be unlikely to be able to recruit them because of immigration issues. If we want a community project, there are probably enough worthy and needy causes within 3 miles of the County Ground to keep 92 clubs busy, let alone one! Puzzling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:01:00
Batch posted this on Twitter I think -

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/931697-swindon-town-fc-to-train-pakistani-coaches-under-15-kids


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:01:20
I don’t really get it. If we spot talented players, we’d be unlikely to be able to recruit them because of immigration issues. If we want a community project, there are probably enough worthy and needy causes within 3 miles of the County Ground to keep 92 clubs busy, let alone one! Puzzling.

You’d think so wouldn’t you? However, Pakistan are in the Commonwealth and by that association there must be official government immigration/employment quangos whereby individuals can get a work visa under special circumstances or some such arrangement. An obvious question to put to the club via the truth and reconciliation board.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:19:09
Batch posted this on Twitter I think -

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/931697-swindon-town-fc-to-train-pakistani-coaches-under-15-kids

Probably poses more questions rather than answers, who is the noticeably unnamed Pakistani friend, with Austin's track record that sets my eyebrows arching, is there a large Pakistani community in Swindon as that might explain it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:20:32
just to add I don't have a problem with the idea

I just have questions about not finding the club anywhere online, scratching head at costs  in the current environment and yes the work permit.

it was suggested by someone on Twitter that it's a new club ..

I'm any case the club comms haven't really been brilliant on the above


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:27:47
just to add I don't have a problem with the idea

I just have questions about not finding the club anywhere online, scratching head at costs  in the current environment and yes the work permit.

it was suggested by someone on Twitter that it's a new club ..

I'm any case the club comms haven't really been brilliant on the above

I'm inclined to agree Batch. If this is such an exciting opportunity for the club, why not put out proper communications about it so as to allay any fears. So things like.

* Clarification of how much money will be spent on this 'project'. Clearly as fans refunds STILL haven't been settled it would be good to get this clarified.

* What are the benefits of this, both tangible and intangible? Why hasn't the bit about taking two 15 year old players from Pakistan to train with us for 2 years been mentioned on the comms?

* Who are Karachi Football club? If they are a new club then why not state as such and clarify that they intend to use it as an exciting opportunity to work with them.

It's a little bit woolly and whilst it's probably grossly unfair to cast aspersions on Zav Austin, it does seem to be a little bit smoke and mirrors.  Perhaps it will all become clear in the next board minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:33:07
re: refunds. they are processing them now though it seems hit and miss if you have been contacted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 09:38:13
re: refunds. they are processing them now though it seems hit and miss if you have been contacted.

It will be good, certainly for club PR bearing in mind the feeling about things on the field, to get that resolved. I guess they have to as well prior to putting on sale Season tickets for next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:26:58
latest advisory board

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:29:03
latest advisory board

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/

I see we've paid the ''EFL Hardship loan'' back. Must have been from the City revenue gained.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:43:48
I see we've paid the ''EFL Hardship loan'' back. Must have been from the City revenue gained.

Was that the loan that was keeping us in Embargo?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:50:33
Isn’t that the Monitored Loan?

2 things for me. Only Jewel left when it comes to sorting old contracts.

Price has been agreed between the JV and SBC for the purchase of the CG.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 13:16:43
Isn’t that the Monitored Loan?

2 things for me. Only Jewel left when it comes to sorting old contracts.

Price has been agreed between the JV and SBC for the purchase of the CG.

If they win the other disputes that knocks a further 500K off the debt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 13:23:12
Also, Clem v Able put back until July.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 13:32:51
Do we know when Power Vs Standing is going to be heard


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 13:46:02
Also, Clem v Able put back until July.

Is it, one slide says march, another says July


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crispy on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 13:58:38
latest advisory board

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/

Banning fans for persistent standing in the South Stand is nothing short of daft. I'd understand if those doing so were smack bang in the middle of the block, but, they're not. They're either at the very back or the front with their backs to a wall. Legally speaking, the Town End is all seater isn't it? Appreciate these would be club bans as opposed to court enforced ones as they'd never go through unless the Town End has has its regulations changed? They're picking on a select few with the help of GWR. Bullies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 13:59:46
latest advisory board

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/february/stfc-advisory-board-minutes-now-available/

Is the  "Swindon Town Community Mutual Limited" different than a membership of the Trust?

If so, does anyone know how do you get a share in it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:04:45
It's the Trust, that's just the registered company name. Bit less catchy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:14:43
Banning fans for persistent standing in the South Stand is nothing short of daft. I'd understand if those doing so were smack bang in the middle of the block, but, they're not. They're either at the very back or the front with their backs to a wall. Legally speaking, the Town End is all seater isn't it? Appreciate these would be club bans as opposed to court enforced ones as they'd never go through unless the Town End has has its regulations changed? They're picking on a select few with the help of GWR. Bullies.

Is it related to this? 'People standing in the Don Rogers stand (block D6U) for whole game. Reports of people being injured, scared and unsafe from drunk fans standing'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crackity Jones on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:16:42
I also recall the issue being something to do with the gradient of the DRS as well but I could be talking more bollocks than usual


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Crispy on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:17:26
Is it related to this? 'People standing in the Don Rogers stand (block D6U) for whole game. Reports of people being injured, scared and unsafe from drunk fans standing'.

The main ones I'm referring too in as far as being picked on are in the Lower D7.. I think? Defo one of the Lower blocks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:19:53
It's the Trust, that's just the registered company name. Bit less catchy.

Cheers, will contact the Trust to see how to get involved then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:29:48
Is it related to this? 'People standing in the Don Rogers stand (block D6U) for whole game. Reports of people being injured, scared and unsafe from drunk fans standing'.

I'm in that block, not drunk or standing I hasten to add, and a steward had to clamber up the steps a couple of times at last home game to tell people to sit down right at the back.
The response was "but we're at the back".


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:32:03
the stewards have been more active going right to the back of the DRS to tell the 3 people standing up to sit down. Which when you've got the entire town end standing takes the piss.

We've all gone soft, in days gone by "stand up if you love swindon" would have been the standard response. pah.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:37:47
the stewards have been more active going right to the back of the DRS to tell the 3 people standing up to sit down. Which when you've got the entire town end standing takes the piss.

We've all gone soft, in days gone by "stand up if you love swindon" would have been the standard response. pah.

It does and it doesn’t take the piss, the DR is a dedicated seating stand. The TE is a standing terrace now with seating and the DR is bloody steeper if you go over, downwards. Get your point but to there is a difference.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:46:03
Do we know when Power Vs Standing is going to be heard

Latest date was May this year but it maybe moved again who knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:49:05
The main ones I'm referring too in as far as being picked on are in the Lower D7.. I think? Defo one of the Lower blocks.

The heavies come and Turfed them out against Northampton didn’t they? Bizarre really. If your on a back wall, you’re in nobodies way. People been standing on that wall and back of DRS for donkeys years.

Bizarre that they decide to pick on the same lads that they want to picture and post on official socials claiming “these limbs” and “scenes like this” to promote ticket sales or milk a win.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:49:46
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
It does and it doesn’t take the piss, the DR is a dedicated seating stand. The TE is a standing terrace now with seating and the DR is bloody steeper if you go over, downwards. Get your point but to there is a difference.


let's hope Swindon don't score Saturday or it could be curtains for the lot of us :)

I don't think the club have a choice given there is the threat of reduced capacity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:58:02

I don't think the club have a choice given there is the threat of reduced capacity.

That's it in a nutshell yes!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 15:02:11
Banning fans for persistent standing in the South Stand is nothing short of daft. I'd understand if those doing so were smack bang in the middle of the block, but, they're not. They're either at the very back or the front with their backs to a wall. Legally speaking, the Town End is all seater isn't it? Appreciate these would be club bans as opposed to court enforced ones as they'd never go through unless the Town End has has its regulations changed? They're picking on a select few with the help of GWR. Bullies.

Totally agree.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 15:05:14

let's hope Swindon don't score Saturday or it could be curtains for the lot of us :)

I don't think the club have a choice given there is the threat of reduced capacity.

Is it because the DRS is such a steep stand that standing anywhere in it (regardless of whether it's the back row or not) is deemed as a 'health and safety hazard'? Where has the threat of reduced capacity come from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 15:29:26
I regularly get my view blocked by folk standing in the DRS and they often take offence at being asked to sit down.

Folk go to the DRS because they want to sit. If you want to stand, go to the Town End.

I suppose standing at the back row or two of the DRS should be tolerated (not allowed until Safe Standing is installed). Also, if you are at a seat and someone behind you asks you to sit down so they can see, do so- don't be a cunt about it. A lot of folk sit because they have to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 15:32:20
I regularly get my view blocked by folk standing in the DRS and they often take offence at being asked to sit down.

Folk go to the DRS because they want to sit. If you want to stand, go to the Town End.

I suppose standing at the back row or two of the DRS should be tolerated (not allowed until Safe Standing is installed). Also, if you are at a seat and someone behind you asks you to sit down so they can see, do so- don't be a cunt about it. A lot of folk sit because they have to.

That's fair enough I think (your comments)

I've only seen people stand at the back from my seat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:01:53
What do people suppose the club do then? They are being told that if people keep doing it they have to shut part of the stand down. Just fucking sit down or sit in the Town end.

The club have said as much in that they are being told by stadium safety that the DRS is too steep to allow it but as Batch said, they don't move the people in the Town End. It's clearly not the clubs decision


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:02:36
Is it because the DRS is such a steep stand that standing anywhere in it (regardless of whether it's the back row or not) is deemed as a 'health and safety hazard'? Where has the threat of reduced capacity come from?


From the most recent advisory board minutes;

4.9 RA explained that the issue with persistent standing is much greater in the Don Rogers stand due to the steepness of this stand. The Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA) has warned the Club that if it does not take action against persistent standing in the Don Rogers stand then the capacity of the stand will be reduced. The Safety Advisory Group (local Council) are also looking at this issue closely, which means the Club need to actively encourage all supporters to remain seated in this stand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:18:46
It's a pity they can't make the front section of the DRS a safe standing zone, it's only about 6 rows. Increase the capacity a bit too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:21:14
I regularly get my view blocked by folk standing in the DRS and they often take offence at being asked to sit down.

Folk go to the DRS because they want to sit. If you want to stand, go to the Town End.

I suppose standing at the back row or two of the DRS should be tolerated (not allowed until Safe Standing is installed). Also, if you are at a seat and someone behind you asks you to sit down so they can see, do so- don't be a cunt about it. A lot of folk sit because they have to.

Yep, that's completely out of order fuzzy. You shouldn't have to have your view blocked by someone who is refusing to sit down, that's just being a selfish cunt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:28:31
They wouldn't do it to Audrey  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:54:02
The bloke behind me in the DRS is a miserable cunt and keeps asking me to sit down, ruining my experience every week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 16:56:02
I regularly get my view blocked by folk standing in the DRS and they often take offence at being asked to sit down.

Folk go to the DRS because they want to sit. If you want to stand, go to the Town End.

I suppose standing at the back row or two of the DRS should be tolerated (not allowed until Safe Standing is installed). Also, if you are at a seat and someone behind you asks you to sit down so they can see, do so- don't be a cunt about it. A lot of folk sit because they have to.

Completely agree with the above. Why go in that stand if you want to stand up. Doesn't make sense to me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 17:05:06
The bloke behind me in the DRS is a miserable cunt and keeps asking me to sit down, ruining my experience every week.

 :smugfu:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 17:47:47
If you want to stand, go to the Town End.

I suppose standing at the back row or two of the DRS should be tolerated (not allowed until Safe Standing is installed). Also, if you are at a seat and someone behind you asks you to sit down so they can see, do so- don't be a cunt about it. A lot of folk sit because they have to.

This is the take you'd expect from anyone being reasonable.

Going forward if we're remodeling that the stand with exec boxes, etc. I'd like to see safe standing/rail seats considered even if only a very small amount in the bottom tier on the wide blocks. It would easily resolve all this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 21:39:31
steep gradient. what a load of fucking bollocks. stand has been there since the mid90s and people have stood there since inception- where have the safety concerns been in the last 1/4 century+? 

same cunts crying over standing in a seated area are the ones who probably wank themselves silly harping on about stands like the Kop / Stretford End... which are also all seater.  the Town End is also legally a seating area btw.

reduced capacity wont be an issue- the way its going we'll have more empty seats than occupied ones very soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 22:53:05
The bloke behind me in the DRS is a miserable cunt and keeps asking me to sit down, ruining my experience every week.

If your post is serious and you’re not trying to ‘whoosh’ folks who are not up to speed with modern ‘cyber piss taking’ then I’d could equally be said you’re and inconsiderate cunt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 22:59:07
Do you even need to ask?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 23:12:37
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
If your post is serious and you’re not trying to ‘whoosh’ folks who are not up to speed with modern ‘CY er piss taking’ then I’d could equally be said you’re and inconsiderate cunt.

oh LL, you're better than that!

somebody said their view was getting blocked by people standing.... hence this


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, February 11, 2022, 00:22:36
Do you even need to ask?

Oh dear LL.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, February 11, 2022, 06:56:31
Oh dear LL.

What?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, February 11, 2022, 08:16:17
steep gradient. what a load of fucking bollocks. stand has been there since the mid90s and people have stood there since inception- where have the safety concerns been in the last 1/4 century+? 

same cunts crying over standing in a seated area are the ones who probably wank themselves silly harping on about stands like the Kop / Stretford End... which are also all seater.  the Town End is also legally a seating area btw.

reduced capacity wont be an issue- the way its going we'll have more empty seats than occupied ones very soon.

Have a go on this one LL.  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Friday, February 11, 2022, 09:09:34
Hopefully the club will realise there is an appetite for standing and incorporate safe standing into any new / rebuilt stands. A bigger Town End with safe standing would be a good idea IMO.

I'm not really sure why people are getting so aggravated about this, though. It's pretty clear they've been instructed to get people to sit the fuck down and if people aren't gonna comply what else can they do? I imagine most of those threatened with bans will probably shit themselves anyway and move to the Town End or do as they're told. Having said that I hope the bans aren't too lengthy.

I do wonder if feeling towards the club coincides with current form.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:20:49
Like others have mentioned... I don't see what else the club can do. I honestly doubt the club would care that much, but when you're faced with sanctions, you have to show as a club that you are trying to take measures to get people to sit.

I'd love to be able to drink alcohol in my seat, but rules permit that I cannot. Can't see why this is causing such a stir


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:40:04
Like others have mentioned... I don't see what else the club can do. I honestly doubt the club would care that much, but when you're faced with sanctions, you have to show as a club that you are trying to take measures to get people to sit.

I'd love to be able to drink alcohol in my seat, but rules permit that I cannot. Can't see why this is causing such a stir

Because some folk truly detest being told what to do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:43:52
Because some folk truly detest being told what to do.

Well these is an easy solution then, don't go to matches, we all have to do things we don't want to, its part of being a grown up!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:48:05
Hopefully they will be equally as stringent on those people who want to leave early and then block the aisles & exits.  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:52:55
Hopefully they will be equally as stringent on those people who want to leave early and then block the aisles & exits.  ;)

Gotta beat the traffic!  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:37:11
Hopefully they will be equally as stringent on those people who want to leave early and then block the aisles & exits.  ;)

God that's annoying, 5 minutes before half time and from 10 minutes before the end.

I get it if we are being dicked, but this is win, lose or draw.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:39:45
Can't see why this is causing such a stir

Are the time of said steward (only) doing his job, the whole Town End, most of the away sections in the Arkells and Bank were stood up too.

Now its has been explicitly pointed out the H&S jobsworths are watching the DRS with the threat of a reduced capacity the result people may be more understanding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:59:32
Everyone should be issued with club machetes upon entering the CG.

Dog eat dog


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, February 11, 2022, 13:06:40
Hopefully they will be equally as stringent on those people who want to leave early and then block the aisles & exits.  ;)

This 100000000000000%


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, February 11, 2022, 13:15:38
Hopefully they will be equally as stringent on those people who want to leave early and then block the aisles & exits.  ;)

Can we avoid "equally as" please? The "as" is redundant. Cheers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 11, 2022, 13:20:58
Everyone should be issued with club machetes upon entering the CG.

Dog eat dog

Talk talk said he had one once to a steward, i think he got banned for it? Someone will correct me im sure

God rest his soul


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 13:28:00
Talk talk said he had one once to a steward, i think he got banned for it? Someone will correct me im sure

God rest his soul

I'm sure that's true. The day he couldn't get in because his "press pass" had expired


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 28, 2022, 17:01:44
So accounts for Seebeck 87 have been lodged, and to my only minor informed eye they don't say a great deal. However, one thing caught my eye...

They are prepared by an SRC Time Ltd company (accountants and tax advisors) from Brighton, I had a vague recollection that the accountant guy who was involved with Power and/or Standing (I think he was Hardings representative on the board at one stage*) was an accountant from Brighton and a quick google confirms that said guy is a director of this company, Stephen Crouch.

One would hope/assume that its just ease using the same accountant who has handled a shell company since its inception, but anything coincidental WRT STFC gets my eyebrows all a twitch.

* Yeah he was - https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/18463345.swindon-towns-lee-power-taken-court-club-sale/


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 28, 2022, 17:54:01
used to be a director


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:08:19
Every time I see Powers picture on the Adver site I judder and fear the worst.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19958604.swindon-town-winding-up-petition-delayed-july/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:12:34
Every time I see Powers picture on the Adver site I judder and fear the worst.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19958604.swindon-town-winding-up-petition-delayed-july/

I get the feeling that the Able case just may end up being dropped. We can only hope for the good of the club that the case is as flimsy as we hope and by using a top draw legal firm to challenge and defend the case they will quietly drop this. How many times has this been put back now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:23:34
Every time I see Powers picture on the Adver site I judder and fear the worst.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19958604.swindon-town-winding-up-petition-delayed-july/

Always brings this chap to mind.
 
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/921140112565645312/LTdbXx1K_400x400.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:28:56
Who is it? Familiar but not 100% sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:29:36
Always brings this chap to mind.
 
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/921140112565645312/LTdbXx1K_400x400.jpg)
Si barone!

I get the feeling that the Able case just may end up being dropped. We can only hope for the good of the club that the case is a flimsy as we hope and by using a top draw legal firm to challenge and defend the case they will quietly drop this. How many times has this been put back now?
Thats my thoughts too, maybe if Able actually came forward and were open about who they are then it may be taken more seriously, as it stands I am 100% certain its just another incarnation of Lee Power Enterprises.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:30:51
Who is it? Familiar but not 100% sure.

Baron Silas Greenback  (Dangermous)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:32:55
Baron Silas Greenback  (Dangermous)

Thanks, I know I have seen the character but Dangermouse was not one of my tv interests but thanks anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:47:11
Thats my thoughts too, maybe if Able actually came forward and were open about who they are then it may be taken more seriously, as it stands I am 100% certain its just another incarnation of Lee Power Enterprises.

The issue is going to be how much of our legal costs can be claimed back if the Able claim is knocked back, otherwise at the rates top QC's charge it could end up cheaper to settle than fight!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 10:54:23
The issue is going to be how much of our legal costs can be claimed back if the Able claim is knocked back, otherwise at the rates top QC's charge it could end up cheaper to settle than fight!

That is a worry, however, maybe the club are uber confident of a victory and would rather spend £100-300k on legal fees to make a point rather than roll over and pay it which I would assume could be seen as an admission of guilt (Prince Andrew) and anyway they’re paying legal costs for the claim against us. A war of attrition if you will?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 11:01:34
Not sure Power has the funds to fight it legally, if he loses then he won't be able to afford to pay fees and costs, sucha s hame if that were to happen. Couldnt happen to a nicer bloke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 11:21:07
The issue is going to be how much of our legal costs can be claimed back if the Able claim is knocked back, otherwise at the rates top QC's charge it could end up cheaper to settle than fight!

I understand that the parties' costs have been budgeted. Costs budgeting usually applies to these types of cases.

If the court makes a costs order, the receiving party should get most of their costs (assuming the paying party has the means to pay).


EDIT: I have twigged that the debate relates to the winder, rather than the Power ats Standing litigation.  If the petition is dismissed, the debtor should have an order for costs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 11:27:13
I get the feeling that the Able case just may end up being dropped. We can only hope for the good of the club that the case is as flimsy as we hope and by using a top draw legal firm to challenge and defend the case they will quietly drop this. How many times has this been put back now?

As I understand it, the reasons why the hearing of the petition has been "put back" are not known.  Adjournments can happen for a number of reasons, often unrelated to the substantive merits of a case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 11:42:22
Able suggested the money they lent the club pre purchase was a loan, that's not the clubs understanding. Clubs legal fees are ramping up on this issue as well as other legal cases, you have to ask yourself whether you keep fighting and ramp up more legal costs or you cut your loses on these court cases..

Lots of talk of Able, Why might you think Able may not want to come forward and be open and have been shaded in mystery and who are backing Able.. ??? I think you will find Able to be a group mostly of UK individuals known to the club very well (or at least 2 of them are), plus a few ex business partners of one of the people known well to the club what might have been involved with a failed football programme business some years back, with an agreement with someone from the US who is the mystery face of Able, not that we have ever heard or seen that face.
Also AC sports has been mentioned too as a name of the business, well take the letters of that and apply to one of the people rumored to be involved in the club behind the scenes over the last few years and that's 1 of the ex club folk behind able..

The question has to be though why would they do this and form Able to buy the club all done in a very stealth manner.. maybe they wanted to buy the club out of admin to get it on the cheap and rid themselves of some of the debts.. not sure we will ever know the full details..

I see the court case disappearing soon, key will be legal costs v actually being worth the effort and costs of regaining their rumored "loan"..

Anyway all very odd..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 11:51:07
It can often be the case that the costs of the proceedings become the main driver. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 12:04:05
Presume if verdict goes in the club’s favour legal costs would be paid by the losing party, i.e. Power.

I think we all knew Able was a Trojan Horse set up designed, no doubt, to rid the club of Standing’s debt by means of going into admin.

It was so satisfying to see the fat slug getting peanuts from the club sale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 19:20:36
Able suggested the money they lent the club pre purchase was a loan, that's not the clubs understanding. Clubs legal fees are ramping up on this issue as well as other legal cases, you have to ask yourself whether you keep fighting and ramp up more legal costs or you cut your loses on these court cases..

Lots of talk of Able, Why might you think Able may not want to come forward and be open and have been shaded in mystery and who are backing Able.. ??? I think you will find Able to be a group mostly of UK individuals known to the club very well (or at least 2 of them are), plus a few ex business partners of one of the people known well to the club what might have been involved with a failed football programme business some years back, with an agreement with someone from the US who is the mystery face of Able, not that we have ever heard or seen that face.
Also AC sports has been mentioned too as a name of the business, well take the letters of that and apply to one of the people rumored to be involved in the club behind the scenes over the last few years and that's 1 of the ex club folk behind able..

The question has to be though why would they do this and form Able to buy the club all done in a very stealth manner.. maybe they wanted to buy the club out of admin to get it on the cheap and rid themselves of some of the debts.. not sure we will ever know the full details..

I see the court case disappearing soon, key will be legal costs v actually being worth the effort and costs of regaining their rumored "loan"..

Anyway all very odd..
Isn't power on record in court also saying it was non-refundable


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 19:26:35
I'm sure he is.

I'm not sure it's worth much in terms of defending the case. But JBZ would know


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 20:43:39
I'm sure he is.

I'm not sure it's worth much in terms of defending the case. But JBZ would know

I am not sure that Power has given oral/written evidence on behalf of the petitioner but I don't know any of the detail.

I note that the Evening Advertiser state in a recent article:-

"But representing Swindon Town Football Company Ltd, the company behind the club, at the hearing, Jessica Powers said there was evidence that the loan agreement was varied and the money was repaid to a petitioner who attempted to purchase the club."


This suggests there was a loan, the terms of which changed at some point and this was repaid. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 20:49:34
Thanks, I know I have seen the character but Dangermouse was not one of my tv interests but thanks anyway.

I know we agree on pretty much nothing except the natural superiority of the mighty STFC, but this is going too far. To be so dismissive of Terry Scott's finest hour.

Really......you're just dead to me from now on.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 20:56:43
I know we agree on pretty much nothing except the natural superiority of the mighty STFC, but this is going too far. To be so dismissive of Terry Scott's finest hour.

Really......you're just dead to me from now on.....

Thank fuck for that 😉 one less Christmas and birthday present to buy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 2, 2022, 01:12:06
*Grits toady teeth*

BG: I'll get you next time...DANGERR MOUSE!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Who knew Ben Garner was the arch villain of our favourite cartoon mau5 (after that little cunt Jerry)!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 2, 2022, 09:37:14
I know we agree on pretty much nothing except the natural superiority of the mighty STFC, but this is going too far. To be so dismissive of Terry Scott's finest hour.

Really......you're just dead to me from now on.....

I was a huge Dangermouse fan as a kid. You could imagine my joy turn to misery when I turned on the TV to watch and the Scottish fuckers would show the gaelic version 'Donnie Murdo'. They did the same with Fireman Sam - 'Sam Smalaidh'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5hll715_s

edit - dunno why the video isn't working but if you can be arsed putting 'Donnie Murdo' into Youtube you'll get the theme tune dubbed into gaelic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 8, 2022, 18:55:40
The potential sale of the County Ground is being heard next Wednesday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 07:44:24
Supposedly, this is the timeframe



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 09:31:31
At least someone at the Council has a sense of humour, albeit if they were a proper Town fan they would have released this on a Friday!

https://twitter.com/SwindonCouncil/status/1501270847381721089

So the agreed sale price is a cool £2.3m (plus VAT)

Supposedly, this is the timeframe

Bloody hell £1m on the Stratton Bank isn't going to go far!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 09:33:39
Luckily we know a plumber who'll do it on the cheap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 09:37:08
Some interesting snippets:

'It is proposed that funds for the stadium purchase will be supplied to the JV by the Trustees of the late Nigel Eady, who was a lifelong supporter of STFC and left a substantial trust fund to benefit the Club. The process of transferring the required funding is understood to be complicated. In the event that for any reason the funding is not made available by the Trustees, the funding will be provided by the Club and guaranteed by the Club Chairman.'

'The Council would have the option to buy back the freehold in the event that the JV had not commenced the Stadium Development Plan 3 years from the JV acquiring the freehold. This would require confirmation of funding for the whole Stratton Bank redevelopment, placing of the works contract and commencement of work on site has all been achieved to confirm that redevelopment has commenced. On the basis that one of the benefits to the Council in considering a sale of the freehold is the opportunity for funding to be generated for improvements, it is considered reasonable that if improvements don’t take place, the Council can re-acquire the site for the sale price, or the market value at the time, whichever is the lower. Additionally the Council would have the first opportunity to buy back the freehold if the JV wanted to dispose of its interest at a future date.'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 09:45:09
Is the hotel/conference centre going to be incorporated 'in' the Town End development?
Should be quite a meaty stand I that's the case. Does the ground purchase include the car park?
The Stratton Bank million must be for a new crapper and a bolt on roof, stick the away fans.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19979260.swindon-town-reveal-plan-22-5m-redevelopment-county-ground/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 09:55:40
No plans to redevelop the Arkells though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 10:07:18
Be nice to see an artists impression.

Don’t know how much of the £20m on a new TE will go towards the actual stand. I think at present the build cost is approx £3k per seat. So say, £15m would  equate to a 5,000-seater stand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 10:10:05
No plans to redevelop the Arkells though

Well not in the next 5 years anyway - I would expect that would be the next steps.  I guess they can't redevelop the current conferencing facilities until the new conference facilities are available..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 10:30:55
Is the hotel/conference centre going to be incorporated 'in' the Town End development?
Should be quite a meaty stand I that's the case. Does the ground purchase include the car park?
The Stratton Bank million must be for a new crapper and a bolt on roof, stick the away fans.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19979260.swindon-town-reveal-plan-22-5m-redevelopment-county-ground/

If you look on here Agenda item 12 has the committee report and a plan showing what is being bought (opens as a PDF) http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=285&MId=10465&Ver=4

Also includes all the land between the back of the DRS and the road, not sure if that could be built upon, does it have some sort of open land designation (No idea just OTTOMH).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 10:43:23
So the lot includes the land right up to the Magic Roundabout. Good stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 10:46:54
Be nice to see an artists impression.

Don’t know how much of the £20m on a new TE will go towards the actual stand. I think at present the build cost is approx £3k per seat. So say, £15m would  equate to a 5,000-seater stand.

I don't think anything has got that far yet, that Advertiser piece is just a result of someone reading the Committee Report on the Council website, they are no doubt now scanning this website so they can run a follow up supporter reaction piece!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 11:43:01
Well not in the next 5 years anyway - I would expect that would be the next steps.  I guess they can't redevelop the current conferencing facilities until the new conference facilities are available..

Good point


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 13:03:51
Well not in the next 5 years anyway - I would expect that would be the next steps.  I guess they can't redevelop the current conferencing facilities until the new conference facilities are available..

At that point they might not even need that much conference facilities. They may want to utilise the Arkells Stand space for something else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 13:04:31
Bring back the casino plans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 13:07:54
Bring back the casino plans.

A casino would do decent business in this town, you would have to say. I'm surprised no one has turned Brunel Rooms in to one at any point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 13:36:45
Well not in the next 5 years anyway - I would expect that would be the next steps.  I guess they can't redevelop the current conferencing facilities until the new conference facilities are available..

Yeah I’ve assumed the logic is to build new stuff in a different stand so you can continue to use the current facilities whilst the new ones are being built. Then once you have the new ones to take over from the old ones you can do what you like with the old area.

Obviously the stand is dated but all the club offices and what not are in there. They’d all need re-homing before we could work on that stand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 15:09:34
Obviously the stand is dated but all the club offices and what not are in there. They’d all need re-homing before we could work on that stand.

I confess I have never set foot in the Arkells (bar via the turnstiles) but I cannot imagine the club offices relates to much more than could be solved with a few Portakabin stacked up.

However looking at the timetable they have proposed looks like a no brainer really, getting the bank tidied up a bit vastly improves the appearance of the place for limited investment, could also possibly provide standing/safe standing temporarily if some fans want it. The DRS boxes are a much needed upgrade and will be good for revenue and again for limited cost.

The TE is probably the jewel in the crown in stand development potential in the short/medium term, plenty of footprint there, comparatively easy in planning terms.

I suppose the two longer terms are re the Arkells less offices more changing rooms and all that jazz, offices could be moved elsewhere on the site in cabins or in parts of the stands, but matchday stuff needs proximity and accessibility to the pitch, I assume our playing facilities are not too bad at this level.

Oh and what if anything can be done with the chunk of land between the DRS and the road? 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 02:30:50
...So the agreed sale price is a cool £2.3m (plus VAT)...

TOGC should = No VAT (usually)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 09:00:26
http://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=285&MId=10465&Ver=4



Link not working for me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 09:27:49
Link not working for me.

I assume its the Council website as it isn't working for me this morning neither! I originally accessed via the link on this tweet from the Council https://twitter.com/SwindonCouncil/status/1501270847381721089 which is also not working reinforcing its an SBC issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 10:03:56
OK cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 10:07:51
Link not working for me.

The WW5 instead of WWW might have something to do with it - are you predicting something here? :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:11:19
Has anyone else seen the advert for the 1985 shirt for sale via the terrace store? Already been fleeced by that twat on twitter so do not want to be hoodwinked again. £36 for the shirt with sponsor on but each time I try to progress it crashes. Is it legit????


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:16:54
Has anyone else seen the advert for the 1985 shirt for sale via the terrace store? Already been fleeced by that twat on twitter so do not want to be hoodwinked again. £36 for the shirt with sponsor on but each time I try to progress it crashes. Is it legit????

The Terrace is definitely a legit site, ordered a few things off there and usually is good quality.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:28:20
The Terrace is definitely a legit site, ordered a few things off there and usually is good quality.

Thanks managed to get on to the payment page and took the chance. Good to know it's a legit company thanks.
Can't grumble at £36 for that shirt, my favourite shirt so happy days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:36:06
The terrace is run by a mate of mine who was many years ago tour manager for Enter Shikari.  He's blotted his copybook in my eyes by taking on the concession at Rovers and banging on constantly about how wonderful they are.  When he's actually a Man United fan.  So Ive had to block his tweets. 

But aside from that he's a thoroughly nice chap and Im glad to see him doing well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:44:28
The Club is referring to it as the 1983 shirt, though. The 1983 one was the ISIS one.

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1501862608416264198?s=20&t=ynH8nR96dOptbsCoqJhmlA


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:45:46
1983 was the LLG shirt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 12:51:59
I was going by this:

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Squad.asp?Season=1983-1984

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Squad.asp?Season=1985-1986

The Club has now seems to have taken down the Tweet referring to "1983".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, March 10, 2022, 19:45:26
1983 was the LLG shirt.

No  LLG came in for Macaris first season. That was 84 / 85. The sponsorship deal was on the basis of a 'name'  manager being appointed, so Beamish was kicked and Lou came in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 15:26:10
Hmmm...

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19993735.county-ground-sale-must-protect-swindon-town-unscrupulous-owners/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 15:45:31
"County Ground sale 'must protect Swindon Town from unscrupulous owners"

I agree, but that isn't what the article says.

"SWINDON Borough Council should look to buy back the County Ground if a £22.5m plan to transform it hasn't started within three years."

Redeveloping the ground is not the only reason we'd like to buy the freehold. They're two separate matters.

I note it's the party not in power saying this. My guess is just making noise for the sake of it to remind people they're there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 15:46:45
Hmmm...

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19993735.county-ground-sale-must-protect-swindon-town-unscrupulous-owners/
No issues there is there


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 15:50:34
Hmmm...

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19993735.county-ground-sale-must-protect-swindon-town-unscrupulous-owners/

Surely it's positive isn't it? Means that the plans that have/are being drawn up have to be followed through. Kind of like a use it or lose it type thing? It stops the site just becoming a festering White elephant?

That's how I see it at least.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 16:56:08
Are the Trust/Club plans to begin redevelopment within 3 years?

Not sure I like pre-conditions like that. Do we definitely have the funds?

But if Clem/Trust are happy then fair enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 16:58:31
I note it's the party not in power saying this. My guess is just making noise for the sake of it to remind people they're there.

Exactly that, no idea why the Advertiser has even run the story. That really is an absolutely nothing story, the buy back clause is in the contract and discussed in the Committee Report which is being considered at the meeting at 6pm tomorrow. Council website is working again so it can be viewed here https://ww5.swindon.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=285&MId=10465&Ver=4 (Item 12).  



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 17:00:09
Are the Trust/Club plans to begin redevelopment within 3 years?

Not sure I like pre-conditions like that. Do we definitely have the funds?

But if Clem/Trust are happy then fair enough.

Bank supposed to start in 2024 at a cost of £1m, Para 3.11 has a timetable which the JV has provided which the Council can then use to gauge performance, entirely understandable and normal that the Council have sought this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 17:09:15
What are we going to get, realistically, for £1m?  New seats, a few urinals and a roof?  I'm guessing that the existing structure is staying in some form.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 17:46:19
Never expected anything different. The Bank will be akin to Pompey’s away end.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 18:01:51
you would assume the bank would be given to home or away fans when nationwide gets redeveloped so that our attendances don't get hit as much


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 15:04:06
you would assume the bank would be given to home or away fans when nationwide gets redeveloped so that our attendances don't get hit as much

Home hopefully. Will make a good home end while Town End is knocked and rebuild further down the line too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 15:07:29
you would assume the bank would be given to home or away fans when nationwide gets redeveloped so that our attendances don't get hit as much

Can't they get it done over the summer?!

I still can't work out where the bleeding boxes would be in row letters.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 15:11:30
Never expected anything different. The Bank will be akin to Pompey’s away end.



that looks smart and big enough for us....atmosphere would improve too with a roof...away fans will make some real noise.

As ever with these things, i will believe it when i see it...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 15:31:26
Can't they get it done over the summer?!

I still can't work out where the bleeding boxes would be in row letters.



I can't quite picture it myself either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 17:41:49
Not a million miles off where the steps come up to, so the first few rows after the concrete barrier splits the stand.  The ceiling height is around there, and that's the floor of the concourse above.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 18:53:03
There is a mezzanine floor built into the DRS when it was built, so the boxes are planned to use that.

Rumour has is that a previous chairman, who was here for around 6 months, bought a bowling lane and had put it on that mezz floor to use it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 18:59:44
Council approve the sale of the CG

Goes to be signed off at scrutinee comittee on monday


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 19:00:46
Council approve the sale of the CG

Goes to be signed off at scrutinee comittee on monday

That is really positive news 🙏👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 19:09:30
Great news!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 19:51:26
Council approve the sale of the CG

Goes to be signed off at scrutinee comittee on monday

Once that is done, there will have to be a 6 week wait under the terms of making the CG an 'Asset of Community Value', so the earliest it will officially go through is May.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 20:00:02
Once that is done, there will have to be a 6 week wait under the terms of making the CG an 'Asset of Community Value', so the earliest it will officially go through is May.

I wonder if the Nationwide will give us a mortgage at preferential rates?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 17, 2022, 19:57:28
I wonder if the Nationwide will give us a mortgage at preferential rates?

He money seems to be coming from the estate of the late Nigel Eady - we need to ensure the stratton bank is named after this man with the money he has left the club, as the FITC has had money as well towards foundation park and the new area they have purchased.
Dontr get many fans leaving their entire estate to their football team they followed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, March 17, 2022, 21:22:52
The Stratton bank will be renamed the nigel eady stand with a statue yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 18, 2022, 08:53:50
The Stratton bank will be renamed the nigel eady stand with a statue yes

I Like that very much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 18, 2022, 09:36:39
The Stratton bank will be renamed the nigel eady stand with a statue yes
Excellent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 18, 2022, 10:00:16
The Stratton bank will be renamed the nigel eady stand with a statue yes

It's a bit of a mouthful for a stand name isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, March 18, 2022, 10:10:01
It's a bit of a mouthful for a stand name isn't it?

Maybe they could drop the "yes"  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 18, 2022, 10:19:27
Or the NESWASY stand?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 18, 2022, 10:44:11
The Stratton bank will be renamed the nigel eady stand with a statue yes

That's great news. albeit there is a small part of me that thinks it would be a nicer tribute to name the spanking new Town End after the chap rather than what appears to be, at first glance, a pretty rudimentary shed with toilets being placed over the bank?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 18, 2022, 10:59:19
That's great news. albeit there is a small part of me that thinks it would be a nicer tribute to name the spanking new Town End after the chap rather than what appears to be, at first glance, a pretty rudimentary shed with toilets being placed over the bank?
Oh you are right but I think its better to get his name on a stand as a priority as a mark of respect for him. Not many fans would ever do something similar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:14:06
Oh you are right but I think its better to get his name on a stand as a priority as a mark of respect for him. Not many fans would ever do something similar.

99% of fans don't have access to that sort of money to be in a position to give so generously, and I think it is great that the club will acknowledge his donation in this way.
If I ever won the lottery I would like to think I would be able to do something similar, otherwise its my money each week only I'm afraid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:16:01
Pleased as I am that something is happening, I do hope that there is also a longer term plan for the Bank.  Some new seats, new toilets and a roof are all we're going to get for £1m.  It will be good for 5 or 10 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:19:48
99% of fans don't have access to that sort of money to be in a position to give so generously, and I think it is great that the club will acknowledge his donation in this way.
If I ever won the lottery I would like to think I would be able to do something similar, otherwise its my money each week only I'm afraid.
Absolutely agree, I won't see £1million in my entire lifetime go through my hands!

Its an incredibly generous gift and a name I am sure many Town fans (who have no access or forums etc) have probably never even heard of.

The money (@ £2 million) has been left for just over 10 years now and I know the Nigel Eady Trust have been very careful of what they have allowed it to be spent on, and wisely so with a crook like Lee Power in charge for most of that 10 year period.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:28:52
Blimey, never realised it amounted to that. Do we know if any of that money will go towards purchasing the fans 50% of the ground?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:30:00
Maybe they could drop the "yes"  :)

haha! indeed!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:30:28
Or the NESWASY stand?

That does have a strange ring to it that could work!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:34:21
Blimey, never realised it amounted to that. Do we know if any of that money will go towards purchasing the fans 50% of the ground?
Yeah that is the figure quoted in the Adver a couple of years ago.

Advert article Feb 2019.
Quote
but the money left by benefactor Eady - understood to be in the region of £2million and ring-fenced for a project that is for the long-term benefit of the football club and wider community - is not involved.

I am sure I heard that it would not go towards the actual buying of the ground but I could be wrong on that, I am sure Jan can enlighten you/us on that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:46:56
Presume the £2m of 10 years ago is now worth considerably more if invested wisely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 18, 2022, 11:50:04
Presume the £2m of 10 years ago is now worth considerably more if invested wisely.
We can certainly hope that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 18, 2022, 12:31:57
I am sure I heard that it would not go towards the actual buying of the ground but I could be wrong on that, I am sure Jan can enlighten you/us on that.

I am probably entirely wrong, but the impression I got from the Councils Committee Report was that the Eady money is going to fund the purchase in some way, however, I had interpreted that as being a short term bridging payment to cover the fans contribution to the purchase cost which will then be repaid by the Trust via their fans programme and the Eady money ultimately used for the wider improvement scheme?

From that report...

'It is proposed that funds for the stadium purchase will be supplied to the JV by the Trustees of the late Nigel Eady, who was a lifelong supporter of STFC and left a substantial trust fund to benefit the Club. The process of transferring the required funding is understood to be complicated. In the event that for any reason the funding is not made available by the Trustees, the funding will be provided by the Club and guaranteed by the Club Chairman.'

But as I started this could just be me bollocking up interpretation!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 18, 2022, 12:34:12
You could well be right mate, I am not up to date on the Trust things but I know Jan is.

It does make sense though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 18, 2022, 12:38:08
I am probably entirely wrong, but the impression I got from the Councils Committee Report was that the Eady money is going to fund the purchase in some way, however, I had interpreted that as being a short term bridging payment to cover the fans contribution to the purchase cost which will then be repaid by the Trust via their fans programme and the Eady money ultimately used for the wider improvement scheme?

From that report...

'It is proposed that funds for the stadium purchase will be supplied to the JV by the Trustees of the late Nigel Eady, who was a lifelong supporter of STFC and left a substantial trust fund to benefit the Club. The process of transferring the required funding is understood to be complicated. In the event that for any reason the funding is not made available by the Trustees, the funding will be provided by the Club and guaranteed by the Club Chairman.'

But as I started this could just be me bollocking up interpretation!

I read it as the NE money was funding both the club and fan's share of the money (so will cover 100% purchase) so neither side will have to pay anything for the stadium ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, March 18, 2022, 13:14:42
I read it as the NE money was funding both the club and fan's share of the money (so will cover 100% purchase) so neither side will have to pay anything for the stadium ?
If that's the case then if I was the Nigel eady executors I'd insist on owning the ground. Be a benevolent landlord.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 18, 2022, 13:23:00
Quote from: chalkies shorts
If that's the case then if I was the Nigel eady executors I'd insist on owning the ground. Be a benevolent landlord.

if imagine the same has only been agreed on the understanding it's a community joint venture whatsit.

if the Eady trust can't do it (with presumably good reason) it's plan B and Clem puts it in


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: china red on Friday, March 18, 2022, 16:28:35
Bet Pee Lower tried many times to get that money


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 18, 2022, 16:37:22
If that's the case then if I was the Nigel eady executors I'd insist on owning the ground. Be a benevolent landlord.

I suspect it entirely depends on the Trust has been set up, there may be reasons why they can't do that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, March 18, 2022, 16:41:41
It would be the ultimate legacy of the Nigel Eady Trust to acquire the ground.

I just wonder how that plays out with getting the supporters trust members to fund as how many will buy their £19.69 shares if the ground purchase is paid for already compared to if the money wasn't there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 18, 2022, 16:46:22
isn't there a minimum number of people needed to sign up?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 18, 2022, 16:59:08
2,300 needed to sign up.
Assuming that these FAQ's are still valid.

https://truststfc.tv/previous-faq-related-to-cg-purchase/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, March 18, 2022, 17:28:14
That'll be 2,299 then as I'm ready.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, March 18, 2022, 18:44:59
I might have missed it, has there been any speculation on who the other party is providing 50% of the money to the Trust?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, March 19, 2022, 17:07:02
Yeah that is the figure quoted in the Adver a couple of years ago.

Advert article Feb 2019.
I am sure I heard that it would not go towards the actual buying of the ground but I could be wrong on that, I am sure Jan can enlighten you/us on that.

Don't forget that £500k (I think) went towards Foundation Park..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, March 19, 2022, 17:24:12
I hope that we don't get to the stage where this thread is renamed "new beginnings - false start".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, March 19, 2022, 19:20:42
I hope that we don't get to the stage where this thread is renamed "new beginnings - false start".

It won’t if you refrain from starting it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Sunday, March 20, 2022, 09:17:01
I hope that we don't get to the stage where this thread is renamed "new beginnings - false start".

Your avatar is apt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, March 20, 2022, 12:54:56
I hope that we don't get to the stage where this thread is renamed "new beginnings - false start".
Why would we


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, March 21, 2022, 19:17:08
Council approve sale of CG


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 21, 2022, 22:37:38
Council approve sale of CG

Like the way this slips through almost unnoticed. We may think of it as a formality, but it is probably the biggest single sentence in my lifetime of supporting this club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 03:00:03
This from the Trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 08:44:45
I really hope they make the New Town End safe standing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 09:28:58
I really hope they make the New Town End safe standing.

That would be so awesome.  They need to make sure the design of the stand funnels noise to the pitch, whilst the away end funnels noise away from it.  We need a designed home advantage.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 09:33:39
That would be so awesome.  They need to make sure the design of the stand funnels noise to the pitch, whilst the away end funnels noise away from it.  We need a designed home advantage.

Lean into the wind tunnel - I want to see wind-funnelling pipes in each end stand which can be opened and closed depending on which direction we're playing in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 09:45:28
This from the Trust


Hotel legends of Swindon, with the Michael Pook ballroom, and the Jamie Cureton suite...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 10:10:46
The Sheridan rest room.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 10:19:31
The Fatbury Social Media Centre


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 10:28:23
The Fatbury Social Media Centre

With a guest room called Adele, so Fatbury can be in it. :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 10:33:56
The Fatbury Social Media Centre

He's so upset bless him


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 10:35:33
The Cheese and Whine tasting room - sponsored by Twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 10:40:13
He's so upset bless him

I did have a chuckle seeing him moan about not getting that job, apparently the ability to retweet stuff doesn’t make you the social media expert he claims to be.

The female employees at STFC can relax at least


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 12:59:47
That would be so awesome.  They need to make sure the design of the stand funnels noise to the pitch, whilst the away end funnels noise away from it.  We need a designed home advantage.

Basically the opposite of what West Ham did then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 13:03:10
That would be so awesome.  They need to make sure the design of the stand funnels noise to the pitch, whilst the away end funnels noise away from it.  We need a designed home advantage.

+ deployable wind  tunnel effect for Exeter. It could open up like the DRS in F1 spoilers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 17:42:26
Have I missed the new capacity?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 20:03:33
Have I missed the new capacity?
I thought I saw the new Town End would be 5000 seats so must be another 3000+ on the current capacity. Take up to about 17,500 to 18,000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 21:09:23
I think that is pure speculation. At the Trust AGM last night, the Club CEO said that they have yet to ask architects to propose plans for each element of the redevelopment. Oh, and when asked about safe standing, he said they would be considering it but it would reduce capacity and cost more.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 22:26:54
It was the Trust AGM pack that said a new Town End of up to 5000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 22:53:15
It was the Trust AGM pack that said a new Town End of up to 5000.

If you look at the top of the page of the pack it does say "DRAFT COUNTY GROUND VISION EXAMPLE", the only thing thats in the contract I believe is the Stratton Bank Development within 3 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, March 25, 2022, 09:24:18
It would be a great shame if the new Town End didn't have at least a tier of safe standing, even if it had seats above. Odd that that would reduce capacity, but even then, I'd still be pushing for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 25, 2022, 09:24:31
What is the Goddard Covenant? Is that where the land has to be used for sporting purposes?
I see a refurb of the Arkells is planned in 25/26.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 25, 2022, 09:42:01
What is the Goddard Covenant? Is that where the land has to be used for sporting purposes?
I see a refurb of the Arkells is planned in 25/26.

Yes. It could be overturned and amended to the title deeds, however, it would take a legal process and agreement of the trustees to the Goddard estate to do this, highly, highly unlikely.

The Arkells refurb is an interesting one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, March 25, 2022, 10:24:36
Yes. It could be overturned and amended to the title deeds, however, it would take a legal process and agreement of the trustees to the Goddard estate to do this, highly, highly unlikely.

The Arkells refurb is an interesting one.

Overturned?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 25, 2022, 10:30:07
removed, as I'm sure you worked out


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 25, 2022, 14:14:58
Yes. It could be overturned and amended to the title deeds, however, it would take a legal process and agreement of the trustees to the Goddard estate to do this, highly, highly unlikely.

The Arkells refurb is an interesting one.

It would be to enable the club to add in the things like Hotel, conferencing etc as there is a covenant that says the ground can only be used for sport.

Its obviously many years old and probably needs to be updated, but maybe the problem would be finding out who the trustee's are after all these years.

Now the club will own the whole ground, including car park areas they have the ability to expand out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 25, 2022, 15:22:32
It would be to enable the club to add in the things like Hotel, conferencing etc as there is a covenant that says the ground can only be used for sport.

Its obviously many years old and probably needs to be updated, but maybe the problem would be finding out who the trustee's are after all these years.

Now the club will own the whole ground, including car park areas they have the ability to expand out.

There is a register for trustees to trusts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 25, 2022, 15:56:59
That would be so awesome.  They need to make sure the design of the stand funnels noise to the pitch, whilst the away end funnels noise away from it.  We need a designed home advantage.

Literally any new stadium that boasts about its design helping the atmosphere I've ever seen, has done the opposite. Think they even said it about Wembley in some of the blurb.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:04:40
Literally any new stadium that boasts about its design helping the atmosphere I've ever seen, has done the opposite. Think they even said it about Wembley in some of the blurb.

Sadly, I agree.  But it is doable, and we must.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:20:39
The atmosphere is only as good as the passion from within the stands!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:40:18
The atmosphere is only as good as the passion from within the stands!

Spot on Jimbo.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:41:09
Spot on Jimbo.
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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:45:33
It was the Trust AGM pack that said a new Town End of up to 5000.

Would seriously have to consider moving back to my beloved childhood.
As long as the flag can be prominently displayed would certainly have to consider it.
If it generated the same atmosphere as a Pompey home match count me in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:53:57
Would seriously have to consider moving back to my beloved childhood.
As long as the flag can be prominently displayed would certainly have to consider it.
If it generated the same atmosphere as a Pompey home match count me in.

I can remember plenty of Pompey in the Townend creating an atmosphere😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, March 25, 2022, 20:57:27
Spot on Jimbo.
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 :clap: :clap:]

Nice picture of the Kingfisher’s.
Our Nuthatches nesting in the garden again.

Shot over 150 grey squirrels in the garden now.
All the nest boxes being checked out by the Blue and Great Tits. Incredible amount of birds in the garden, thriving without Magpies and Crows ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, March 25, 2022, 21:01:14
I can remember plenty of Pompey in the Townend creating an atmosphere😀

Still enjoy my trips down there. Many happy childhood memories and often still wonder how red was chosen and not blue. Get my loyalty no doubt from that bloodline.
Not many relatives left, just one Auntie and doubt she will ever catch the 6:57 out of Peortsmouth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 25, 2022, 21:27:34
Still enjoy my trips down there. Many happy childhood memories and often still wonder how red was chosen and not blue. Get my loyalty no doubt from that bloodline.
Not many relatives left, just one Auntie and doubt she will ever catch the 6:57 out of Peortsmouth.


What's happening with their new stadium


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, March 25, 2022, 22:04:43

What's happening with their new stadium

Developing Fratton Park.
Trivia- Did you know that Fratton and Portsmouth the most densely populated area in the Country.
You get in when you are around it, jam packed with houses and little space.
Was rough as fuck in the late 70’s unreal poverty and I mean deprived area. The football club was everything to the youth, hence the emergence of the notorious 6:57.
Even now you see some distinctive tattoos on old men with reference to that infamous train. Clearly all in the vaults of history now.
John Westwood though one of the original survivors, harmless but in love with his bell.

Many times I’ve battled with my youngest as in his heart some Pompey.
Has a shirt ffs and wears it. Confession time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, March 26, 2022, 10:33:59
Sadly, I agree.  But it is doable, and we must.

If Dortmund can do it, we can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pi5LJ7CMs0


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, March 26, 2022, 15:02:46
removed, as I'm sure you worked out

Just being an irritating knob.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 28, 2022, 07:33:55
I see on the official site that several players will be down at Wagamamas on Tuesday after 5pm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 28, 2022, 22:31:09
If we go up this season I suppose the Bank will be closed for refurbishment next season. We’ll be missing out on 2000 away fans from quite a few clubs.

The piss stains won’t be happy with 800 tickets!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 28, 2022, 23:57:40
To be fair until they actually started to win games against us after 40 years that's about all they use to bring  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 00:26:02
If we go up this season I suppose the Bank will be closed for refurbishment next season. We’ll be missing out on 2000 away fans from quite a few clubs.

The piss stains won’t be happy with 800 tickets!

Would rather fill the Bank with Swindon fans than Away fans and limit them all to the smallest possible number of fans, personally. Realistically, that might take a year or two though :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 07:30:40
Would rather fill the Bank with Swindon fans than Away fans and limit them all to the smallest possible number of fans, personally. Realistically, that might take a year or two though :)

Do what Bristol Rovers did to us 700 tickets no more


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 08:43:48
If we go up this season I suppose the Bank will be closed for refurbishment next season. We’ll be missing out on 2000 away fans from quite a few clubs.

The piss stains won’t be happy with 800 tickets!

Work won't start until the off season at the end of next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 14:32:11
If we go up this season I suppose the Bank will be closed for refurbishment next season. We’ll be missing out on 2000 away fans from quite a few clubs.

The piss stains won’t be happy with 800 tickets!

The Shrivenham Road Stand was demolished and The DRS built in a pre season, I’m sure putting a roof on the bank won’t take as long.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 17:20:38
I would like to see a social club/bar that's open every day incorporated into the stadium somewhere. Not seen anything about whether this will happen myself. Something like Torquay's "Boots and laces" would be decent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 19:24:56
I am sure Rob Angus mentioned a Sports Bar, or something like that, being on the target list.  Assume for the TE development.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 09:00:46
The Shrivenham Road Stand was demolished and The DRS built in a pre season, I’m sure putting a roof on the bank won’t take as long.

Will all depend on what is actually proposed, perversely it would likely be a lot quicker (Albeit likley more expensive) to drop the lot and start again rather than try and incorporate something into the existing structure/made land of the bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 11:15:37
I am sure Rob Angus mentioned a Sports Bar, or something like that, being on the target list.  Assume for the TE development.

That'd be great. Thanks for the information as I'd not seen that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 11:25:56
That'd be great. Thanks for the information as I'd not seen that.

Given the grounds location do people think a sports bar could be a money spinner outside of STFC game time? Put in a decent burger and chips type of place/Street food and try and make the CG a great social place to go to any time of the week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 11:57:44
Reading have a street food style outside one of their stands selling all types of cuisine and local ales. It's pretty decent tbf. Could easily do something outside the CG.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: pantomime dame on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 12:30:15
Given the grounds location do people think a sports bar could be a money spinner outside of STFC game time? Put in a decent burger and chips type of place/Street food and try and make the CG a great social place to go to any time of the week.
This was tried in the 70's. Well the bar at least. While the Squash club had a loyal,
 lively clientele it never really took off. The Supporters club was a huge area only used Thursday nights for bingo and Friday/ Saturday nights for music.
As for the local area using a burger bar venue that's highly unlikely. Man Rd has the ethnic population covered in venues of all sorts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 12:50:22
Don't forget there would be a Hotel providing a constant stream of potential customers as well.  My assumption would be a couple of retail/food options would be added into the TE structure, enabling a mini Greenbridge type of pull (the Cinema side).  It's not going to rely on foot traffic.  Somehow that Burger King continues to survive, even after burning itself to the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 13:14:25
There isn’t a good sports bar in the town. The location is a little bit out of the way but not hugely so -  no reason a moderate sized fully committed sports bar couldn’t be a success


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 13:19:49
There isn’t a good sports bar in the town. The location is a little bit out of the way but not hugely so -  no reason a moderate sized fully committed sports bar couldn’t be a success

I don't know Swindon at all but that was my understanding. I reckon if we build it they would come.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 14:21:40
Be nice to attract non Swindon fans to come along to the CG. You never know, some of them may be tempted to go to a game or two.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 17:05:05
Or stay aways  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 17:52:14
Don't forget there would be a Hotel providing a constant stream of potential customers as well.

If its one of the budget operators it will invariably come with a tagged on Costa (or equivalent) anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 18:47:10
Don't forget there would be a Hotel providing a constant stream of potential customers as well.  My assumption would be a couple of retail/food options would be added into the TE structure, enabling a mini Greenbridge type of pull (the Cinema side).  It's not going to rely on foot traffic.  Somehow that Burger King continues to survive, even after burning itself to the ground.
I would imagine a few local restaurants would use a few units


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 18:58:18
The Sports bar seems to work at Ashton Gate for England games during the Euros and they seem to fill it for other games.

Ashton Gate isn't exactly in the upmarket, social part of Bristol but has become a focal point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 21:07:44
I presume the plan would likely be to act as a Landlord and lease out units, removing some of that Operational risk.  Just look at the Regents Circus development, Morrisons are still paying a pretty penny for years to come on the shop they vacated.  The operating unit does not need to be a success once you have a tenant by the short and curlies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 31, 2022, 22:19:51
I presume the plan would likely be to act as a Landlord and lease out units, removing some of that Operational risk.  Just look at the Regents Circus development, Morrisons are still paying a pretty penny for years to come on the shop they vacated.  The operating unit does not need to be a success once you have a tenant by the short and curlies.

That is true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, April 1, 2022, 05:51:35
I'm hearing that the club are having second thoughts about the hotel & conferencing idea.
Now exploring the idea of having an authentic Australian pub, one of the big ones with 3 storeys, balconies & art deco frontage etc.
Discussions ongoing about whether the grassed area in front of the TE could be used as a beer garden in the summer months.

Also looking to revisit the casino concept as well, this time incorporating an upmarket gentleman's & ladies club.

I'm told that the information is reliable but could change after today.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lardy Cake on Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:32:13
Interesting that Arriba mentions the Boots and Laces Sports Bar at Torquay United. I lived a few 100 yards away for several years about 10 years ago and was a regular most weekends. During the days of Paul Buckle and Chairman Colin Lee Boots and Laces was loosing the club a lot of money when it was run "in-house" so the club farmed it out to a local couple who promptly changed everything including introducing an improved family area and large sports screens etc. The best thing for me was the introduction of Real Ale, what's not to like about a pint of Yellowhammer !!! They turned it around within 6 months and made a healthy profit. When the Football Club realised money could be made they kicked the couple out and took back control.  >:(
I have no idea what Boots and Laces is like these days but STFC need to understand the current climate/market etc. The area around Plainmoor is very similar to the area around the County Ground but people used to travel across Torquay to go to Boots and Laces.  

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:35:07
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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:45:23
Quote from: Wobbly Bob
I'm hearing that the club are having second thoughts about the hotel & conferencing idea.
Now exploring the idea of having an authentic Australian pub, one of the big ones with 3 storeys, balconies & art deco frontage etc.
Discussions ongoing about whether the grassed area in front of the TE could be used as a beer garden in the summer months.

Also looking to revisit the casino concept as well, this time incorporating an upmarket gentleman's & ladies club.

I'm told that the information is reliable but could change after today.

soapy tit wank

nice try


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, April 1, 2022, 07:06:19
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I suppose it's not a huge surprise given the significant levels of recruitment last summer. Amounts paid per incoming player probably about average for the division.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 1, 2022, 08:21:16
I presume the plan would likely be to act as a Landlord and lease out units, removing some of that Operational risk.  Just look at the Regents Circus development, Morrisons are still paying a pretty penny for years to come on the shop they vacated.  The operating unit does not need to be a success once you have a tenant by the short and curlies.

The landlord thing is undoubtedly the case, no point getting into businesses they have no idea how to run.

I wouldn't read too much opportunity into the Morrisons situation as an example, that's a costly exception for them, they royally fucked up their brief sojourn into convenience and are still paying the price for paying stupid money for long leases without any break clauses. They must have been renting the prime site in Lancaster city centre now for c.8 years whilst it remains vacant, no estates manager would ever sign something as stupid, my mate worked in their estates team and a lot of heads rolled off the back of that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 1, 2022, 08:57:29
5 year leases are common.

Very broadly speaking, the business has to be a
'success' otherwise paying the rent becomes difficult.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Friday, April 1, 2022, 11:08:02
Given the grounds location do people think a sports bar could be a money spinner outside of STFC game time? Put in a decent burger and chips type of place/Street food and try and make the CG a great social place to go to any time of the week.

Yeah I do. Could have bands on at weekends etc. It works for other clubs don't see why it wouldn't here. The town centre location a plus in that regard too I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Arriba on Friday, April 1, 2022, 11:13:18
Interesting that Arriba mentions the Boots and Laces Sports Bar at Torquay United. I lived a few 100 yards away for several years about 10 years ago and was a regular most weekends. During the days of Paul Buckle and Chairman Colin Lee Boots and Laces was loosing the club a lot of money when it was run "in-house" so the club farmed it out to a local couple who promptly changed everything including introducing an improved family area and large sports screens etc. The best thing for me was the introduction of Real Ale, what's not to like about a pint of Yellowhammer !!! They turned it around within 6 months and made a healthy profit. When the Football Club realised money could be made they kicked the couple out and took back control.  >:(
I have no idea what Boots and Laces is like these days but STFC need to understand the current climate/market etc. The area around Plainmoor is very similar to the area around the County Ground but people used to travel across Torquay to go to Boots and Laces.  

 

When I was in Torquay recently there was an advertisement for a band on there and it is still open on non match days as far as I know. We are a bigger club and with the right management we could easily have a successful club bar/supporters club venue within the ground.
I actually saw Colin Lee on meadfoot beach last September too so he's still in the area.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 1, 2022, 12:17:18
This was tried in the 70's. Well the bar at least. While the Squash club had a loyal,
 lively clientele it never really took off. The Supporters club was a huge area only used Thursday nights for bingo and Friday/ Saturday nights for music.
As for the local area using a burger bar venue that's highly unlikely. Man Rd has the ethnic population covered in venues of all sorts.

They made good use for it for the 98 World Cup to be fair., "Three Lions Bar" No idea why they managed to get it going back then and not for anything outside of match days since.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 11:40:53
'Well done' all those concerned:

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/2022-efl-community-project-of-the-season-winners-announced/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 11:44:14
'Well done' all those concerned:

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/april/2022-efl-community-project-of-the-season-winners-announced/

That really is superb. Imagine STFC getting a community award 9 months ago, would have been unthinkable. Fantastic achievement


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 12:37:24
That really is superb. Imagine STFC getting a community award 9 months ago, would have been unthinkable. Fantastic achievement

Good news indeed, but looking at it I think its the community foundation which has won, so may still have happened under the arseholes regime?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 12:43:45
Good news indeed, but looking at it I think its the community foundation which has won, so may still have happened under the arseholes regime?

That's a fair point. Certainly feels better though under the current leadership though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 12:37:06
Club fined another £2000 for the Orient ‘brawl’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 10:36:42
Only 2 attendances under 8,000 this season.

8 above 10,000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 11:34:29
Only 2 attendances under 8,000 this season.

8 above 10,000.
Full breakdown of attendances at home, * denotes midweek games with home fans the end figure.

9,450  (253) Carlisle L - 9,197 home fans
8,274* (381) Tranmere  D - 7,893
8,631  (396) Mansfield W - 8,236
8,734  (233) Port Vale L - 8,501
8,436  (312) Colchester D - 8,124
9,310  (144) Rochdale D - 9,166
9,461  (425) Bradford L - 9,036
7,714* (75)  Hartlepool W - 7,639
8,199  (41)  Harrogate D - 8,158
8,131* (112) Stevenage D - 8,019
9,071  (746) Northampton W - 8,325
12,695 (2,473) B Rovers D - 10,222
7,306* (131) Crawley D - 7,175
10,642 (1,260) Exeter L - 9,382
9,031  (131) Scunthorpe W - 8,900
9,840  (214) Walsall W - 9,626
10,153 (94) Salford L - 10,059
11,390 (280) Oldham W - 11,110
8,243* (112) Sutton W - 8,131
11,408 (1,202) Newport L - 10,206
10,624 (351) Orient L - 10,273
11,150 (692) FGR W - 10,458
13,355 (223) Barrow W - 13,132

Total H&A  fans 221,248 (average 9,619)
Total away fans 10,281 (average 447)
Total home fans 210,967 (average 9,172)

League Cup
14,753* (2,318) Man City L - 12,435

Including our FA cup and League Cup home games
Total H&A  fans 236,001 (average 9,833)
Total away fans 12,598 (average 525)
Total home fans 223,401 (average 9,308)

This has been our highest average league attendance since 97/98 when we averaged 9,851


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 11:43:58
Highest number of home fans this season, not against Man City..........Barrow  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 11:45:37
Highest number of home fans this season, not against Man City..........Barrow  :D
Absolutely, thats what happens when we give the bank to Town fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 15:09:11
Absolutely, thats what happens when we give the bank to Town fans.

The price probably helped!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 15:38:34
The price probably helped!
Its a no lose situation really isnt it, extra income, extra Town backing for the sake of about 6 extra stewards, win win.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 15:39:43
Its a no lose situation really isnt it, extra income, extra Town backing for the sake of about 6 extra stewards, win win.

Unless it becomes regular and you piss off/lose people from the more expensive Town End to the bank


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 15:43:34
Unless it becomes regular and you piss off/lose people from the more expensive Town End to the bank

In which case we just don't open it unless there is demand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 15:52:00
If the bank redevelopment goes ahead, they'll probably end up similar prices anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 5, 2022, 15:58:35
If the bank redevelopment goes ahead, they'll probably end up similar prices anyway
Absolutely they will, with a roof it will make all the difference to the extra sound from fans too, its all good!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 6, 2022, 11:15:20
Here is the breakdown for the away games Swindon attendees (including an estimated 3,600 for tomorrows game)

Scunthorpe 850
Salford 761
Stevenage 1,005
Northampton 962 (limited by Police)
B Rovers 705 (limited by Police)
FGR 1,202
Sutton 574
Oldham 635
Newport 1,027 (limited by Police)
Orient* 955
Barrow 577
Mansfield* 252
Port Vale 703
Colchester 605
Tranmere* 262
Carlisle 381
Bradford 561
Exeter* 733
Crawley 1,041
Rochdale 695
Harrogate* 600
Hartlepool 465
Walsall 3,600

Total Town fans at away games 19,151 - average 833

League Cup
Cambridge* 270

FA Cup
Crewe 653
Walsall 2,024

Total Town fans at away games(inc cups) 22,098 - average 850


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 6, 2022, 11:20:05
Absolutely they will, with a roof it will make all the difference to the extra sound from fans too, its all good!

Plus the big fan on the roof to keep the tunnel working!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 6, 2022, 11:26:40
Plus the big fan on the roof to keep the tunnel working!
Just to please Exeter fans ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, May 6, 2022, 17:57:13
Here is the breakdown for the away games Swindon attendees (including an estimated 3,600 for tomorrows game)

Scunthorpe 850
Salford 761
Stevenage 1,005
Northampton 962 (limited by Police)
B Rovers 705 (limited by Police)
FGR 1,202
Sutton 574
Oldham 635
Newport 1,027 (limited by Police)
Orient* 955
Barrow 577
Mansfield* 252
Port Vale 703
Colchester 605
Tranmere* 262
Carlisle 381
Bradford 561
Exeter* 733
Crawley 1,041
Rochdale 695
Harrogate* 600
Hartlepool 465
Walsall 3,600

Total Town fans at away games 19,151 - average 833

League Cup
Cambridge* 270

FA Cup
Crewe 653
Walsall 2,024

Total Town fans at away games(inc cups) 22,098 - average 850
Where did you get the info JJ plus excellent job :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 7, 2022, 09:15:05
Where did you get the info JJ plus excellent job :clap:
In matchday threads mostly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 11:52:29
From the Vale thread:

Only what’s been tabled in football circles.
Not going to speculate other than it was mentioned, my take is simply to wait and see what comes to light. Clearly not going to mention the “P” word but if this was the case then the dynamics would surely change.
Money is coming into the club, thus any reasons to reduce the budget would certainly not be acceptable from myself and no doubt others.
Will just have to wait and see Mate, but the Club is exceeding break even figures.

I guess the golden question is do the “Board, those owning it” actually have more than a pot to piss in?

I think it's fair enough to speculate on these matters. Unfortunately due to historic circumstances ourselves (and I dare say quite a few football clubs) have some quite murky financial histories that Agatha Christie, Miss Marple and Columbo would struggle to get to the bottom of. I certainly think fans discussion and speculation is healthy in these matters, I am definitely very positive about the club and the future under Clem etc but of course there are lingering doubts that remain.

Is Clem actually the 'money man?' It will be interesting given the state of the world how his businesses are doing at the moment. He's never said that he's absolutely loaded so money potentially is coming from elsewhere until we become sustainable. Fair play that we have reduced debts from 4.5 down to 1.5 ish million quid and if we win the play-offs that will get down to around 1 million and then the Twine money if Franchise sell could potentially see us debt free for the first time in yonks!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 11:54:17
If that's in relation to the "rent" thing duke, the maths of the alleged debt don't add up.

Very much a wait and see.

I think with Xavi and Standing (presumably) still in the background the future is a bit opaque. Just a personal opinion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 13:29:31
On the debt free thing, when was the last time we were actually debt free? Can anyone even tell me?

Can't say when the club was handed over to the charlatans and not the indie band, because we still had a 'soft debt' to Andrew Black that Power purchased from him.

When was the last time we genuinely didn't have a sizable debt hanging over us? I'm not sure its in my lifetime and i'm 34 soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 13:32:06
I'm very much with BO in that I wouldn't be surprised at all in any debt creeping out the closet with how things were ran previously. Also wouldn't be surprised if LP is claiming X amount is owed in loans/debentures, which the club are contesting. If that contesting fails, then that'll potentially be 'new' debt - although any good forecaster shouldn't be disregarding that anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 14:29:47
The new owners have got their absolute dream 1st season. Record crowds, high season ticket sales, premier league team in cup run, additional playoff fixtures and potential high sell on fees (twine). At our level it genuinely can not get any better than that.
We haven't had the above go our way for many years and lets hope we can get the true benefit of it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 14:31:53
The new owners have got their absolute dream 1st season. Record crowds, high season ticket sales, premier league team in cup run, additional playoff fixtures and potential high sell on fees (twine). At our level it genuinely can not get any better than that.
We haven't had the above go our way for many years and lets hope we can get the true benefit of it

Spot on - Not much better than this.
Therefore expecting some positive intent with next seasons budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 14:34:41
If that's in relation to the "rent" thing duke, the maths of the alleged debt don't add up.

Very much a wait and see.

I think with Xavi and Standing (presumably) still in the background the future is a bit opaque. Just a personal opinion.
I still think Austin is a lot more than just vice chairman….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 14:48:52
I still think Austin is a lot more than just vice chairman….

There was a kind of 'we've got our club back thanks to these guys' tweet done by the official site that then had a picture of Austin and Clem, which I found kind of odd? Nothing at all about Angus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 14:50:17
There was a kind of 'we've got our club back thanks to these guys' tweet done by the official site that then had a picture of Austin and Clem, which I found kind of odd? Nothing at all about Angus.
Think Austin would have a very different title if it wasn’t for his ‘interesting’ past.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 14:52:59
Think Austin would have a very different title if it wasn’t for his ‘interesting’ past.

Lord? Baron? Kingpin? ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 15:23:57
We wont be debt free as clubs at this level are not debt free, but hopefully we can get to a point where low investment is needed, and if we can sell a player a season or pick up sell on clauses here and there then that helps with running costs and budgets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 15:31:57
Lord? Baron? Kingpin? ;)
Laundry Manager?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 15:32:48
The new owners have got their absolute dream 1st season. Record crowds, high season ticket sales, premier league team in cup run, additional playoff fixtures and potential high sell on fees (twine). At our level it genuinely can not get any better than that.
We haven't had the above go our way for many years and lets hope we can get the true benefit of it

They have, but they have also had to put in a shit load of cash up front to get us up and running and facilitate the operation of the business. One would suggest that projections for 2022-23 will look better than they did but they may not necessarily mean more investment in the playing staff.

We wont be debt free as clubs at this level are not debt free, but hopefully we can get to a point where low investment is needed, and if we can sell a player a season or pick up sell on clauses here and there then that helps with running costs and budgets.

Pretty much no business is debt free and has it been clear in what way Clem has been funding the business i.e. loans etc and how he intends to protect his investments in the long term?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 16:04:31
I'm sure the P&L for this season looks a bit better than the new owners expected it to be at the end of the first season. With the chance of promotion, and the ground purchase there is the potential for real progress in sorting out the club's future financially by continuing on field progress, and investing in non match day income streams.

There will be big clubs left in L1, especially if Wycombe can get up, who will bring big away contingents. As will Oxford and Rovers. I'm feeling hopeful for the club.

Shame about the rest of the shitshow that passes for a country, but you can't have everything at once I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 16:05:32
I still think Austin is a lot more than just vice chairman….

I think you are getting warmer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 10, 2022, 20:07:50
Laundry Manager?

Haha


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 15:00:33
I think you are getting warmer.
Are you suggesting that Multi Millionaire of a global business is sat at CG doing 12 hour shifts for Mr Austin


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 15:22:35
Are you suggesting that Multi Millionaire of a global business is sat at CG doing 12 hour shifts for Mr Austin
I am a little confused and concerned by the suggestion that CM isn't the sole owner/controller of our club. ZA is responsible for special projects and financially has nothing to do with the club. CM owns the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:14:41
On the face of it maybe James but I think most involved with football in many capacities (including fans) aren't so naive to think that what lays on the surface is the full depth of things - Not least with STFC.

Can you categorically confirm that there aren't any private investors behind Clem Formuni? Let's say, someone similar to Michael Standing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:16:07
I am a little confused and concerned by the suggestion that CM isn't the sole owner/controller of our club. ZA is responsible for special projects and financially has nothing to do with the club. CM owns the club.

Did the Trust ever complete any full diligence checks into ZA? Y/N answer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:28:09
Eh up, the threads gone all Susanna Reid all of a sudden..  I like..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:29:45
Some very important question too.

Its a Swindon fans natural right to be defensive and sceptical when it comes to new owners after the shit we have been through.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:33:34
did ZA pass/fail the directors test?

After Power of course people will be on tenterhooks. Especially as Austin has a past*

* Not saying he's not reformed. Don't know the guy at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:38:50
On the face of it maybe James but I think most involved with football in many capacities (including fans) aren't so naive to think that what lays on the surface is the full depth of things - Not least with STFC.

Can you categorically confirm that there aren't any private investors behind Clem Formuni? Let's say, someone similar to Michael Standing?

Or Michael Standing himself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:42:22
Or Michael Standing himself.

Hadn't it been established that wasn't allowed? Or is he no longer an agent?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:44:14
I am a little confused and concerned by the suggestion that CM isn't the sole owner/controller of our club. ZA is responsible for special projects and financially has nothing to do with the club. CM owns the club.

I don’t know how many of us think this… . More alarmed as to why he’s been made our vice chairman without any official announcement? Why was it done so quietly and on the hush. Was the advisory board aware of it and the announcement being kept quiet? If so, why did the advisory board keep quiet?  (I don’t think much of this advisory board for what it’s worth, just seems a tick box, dunno about others) The mystique around his appointment and this whole venture with a team in Karachi that doesn’t seem to exist are two valid reasons why people might be a tad skeptical…

For what’s it’s worth, I hope he’s the messiah and helps us go up the divisions one way or another.
Sunday can’t come soon enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:47:45
Hadn't it been established that wasn't allowed? Or is he no longer an agent?

This is Swindon Town and whether Standing in no longer an agent he was before.
He is still owned money after all and everyone was friends once upon a time.
Are the Trust all over this, they should be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:52:34
This is Swindon Town and whether Standing in no longer an agent he was before.
He is still owned money after all and everyone was friends once upon a time.
Are the Trust all over this, they should be.

If you know something - why don’t you just say it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 16:53:56
I don’t know how many of us think this… . More alarmed as to why he’s been made our vice chairman without any official announcement? Why was it done so quietly and on the hush. Was the advisory board aware of it and the announcement being kept quiet? If so, why did the advisory board keep quiet?  (I don’t think much of this advisory board for what it’s worth, just seems a tick box, dunno about others) The mystique around his appointment and this whole venture with a team in Karachi that doesn’t seem to exist are two valid reasons why people might be a tad skeptical…

For what’s it’s worth, I hope he’s the messiah and helps us go up the divisions one way or another.
Sunday can’t come soon enough.

There was an official statement - https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/ and he's done some media (Monday Night Club etc.)

I think his appointment predates the existence of the advisory board (as he sits on it) so I'm not really sure what they would have said about it.

Would definitely like more clarity on his role and involvement (and suspect the Trust must have at least asked behind the scenes and been satisfied), but not sure it's been as hush hush as your post makes out.

The Standing stuff is all going to trial over the summer right? Imagine much more will come out then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 17:49:01
Fuck me you lot know how to bring down the mood.

The Comms have been there, can they all be independently verified with the info available - no.  None of us have Scoobies (apart from the Duke  :D).   

If you want to worry about this shit in playoff week of all weeks, then you have no joy in your life.

If it does finally go to court I imagine all the shit and more will be aired for all to see and then we can properly scrutinise the setup at the top and the role of individuals. Until then there it's in in the realms of speculation and conspiracy theory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 17:55:55
I am a little confused and concerned by the suggestion that CM isn't the sole owner/controller of our club. ZA is responsible for special projects and financially has nothing to do with the club. CM owns the club.

Legally and beneficially?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 18:02:41
I am a little confused and concerned by the suggestion that CM isn't the sole owner/controller of our club. ZA is responsible for special projects and financially has nothing to do with the club. CM owns the club.
Oh i know sorry i was trying to get an understanding of what he was trying to imply.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 18:16:50
while I think there is a conversation to be had here, I think it's a fair point to say the timing can wait until after the POs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 18:52:03
Fuck me you lot know how to bring down the mood.

The Comms have been there, can they all be independently verified with the info available - no.  None of us have Scoobies (apart from the Duke  :D).   

If you want to worry about this shit in playoff week of all weeks, then you have no joy in your life.

If it does finally go to court I imagine all the shit and more will be aired for all to see and then we can properly scrutinise the setup at the top and the role of individuals. Until then there it's in in the realms of speculation and conspiracy theory.

I’m not worried about it, all about enjoying my football again.
1990 left scars and that taught me one lesson, there is nothing you can do about it.

We Supporters only have two choices, go or don’t go.
I came very close to turning my back on football for good after that.
This season has been enjoyable and it’s far from over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 18:59:41
If you know something - why don’t you just say it?
I agree
Far too many people suggesting , that's easy anyone can do that. If you know something state it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 19:00:21
Did the Trust ever complete any full diligence checks into ZA? Y/N answer.
Yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 19:01:26
This is Swindon Town and whether Standing in no longer an agent he was before.
He is still owned money after all and everyone was friends once upon a time.
Are the Trust all over this, they should be.
Yes he is owed money, but by LP


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 19:04:23
Or Michael Standing himself.

Well I was trying to leave the *ahem* question up for interpretation  ;)

Edit: Which has been glossed over and ignored.

Why do I feel like the Trust has become more of a sort of "yes man" to the club? Just a hunch, don't slaughter me for it but it seems all rather nodding of heads and all is rosy when it really isn't.

The club (and Trust) can't expect us to just roll over when a statement is made (as nice as that is) and accept everything that is said. There has been this lingering vibe about the club since Clem (and possible A N Other(s) ) took over that they are the only ones going through tough financial situations. Well hell-to the fucking-o, just about every human has felt the impact of the last couple of years (and continue to do so). Did they forget that when shamelessly pleading with folk to defer season ticket refunds? When they didn't they put a pressing vibe across that made those people feel guilty for not doing so - dug their heels in when issuing said refunds and had more stalls than the Royal Albert Hall. Like for fuck sake. Fans have still come out in numbers and yet STFC have still been quite cunty about things like this.

Contrasting STFC quotes that follow mean is it any wonder folk still are concerned:

"You need to do your bit to help turn it around" (granted but don't guilt trip your core support)
"We can pay £7m to cover all debts" (Well... :unsure: )
"We're asking fans to defer ST refunds - we'll give you the equivalent discount of a roll of PTFE tape from Clem's Overstocks"*
"You've got your Club back" (hmm, have we?!)

Some people can just see through stuff and anyone buying this club should be aware that STFC fans whilst loyal to their club will not put up with another owner that puts them through a load more shite; more importantly so - they can see when things aren't quite "right" due to years of mismanagement/poor ownership.

Anyway, I agree with Sir Batchio though that this should maybe wait until after the POs but the Trust shouldn't be continually defending the club every time someone asks a pressing question, just because one of their main buddies now happens to be CEO - otherwise your role as Trust becomes rather pointless; a bit like those Tick Box Advisory Board Meetings...




*The second part of this was made up. It's actually 3 rolls  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:27:07
Yes he is owed money, but by LP

Is he part of the club now though?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:38:08
Is he part of the club now though?

Shareholder, director (exec or non exec) or an employee?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:41:04
Is he part of the club now though?

I will say it again - if you know something, why don’t you say it? You are constantly hinting that you do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 20:50:51
Well I was trying to leave the *ahem* question up for interpretation  ;)

Edit: Which has been glossed over and ignored.

Why do I feel like the Trust has become more of a sort of "yes man" to the club? Just a hunch, don't slaughter me for it but it seems all rather nodding of heads and all is rosy when it really isn't.

The club (and Trust) can't expect us to just roll over when a statement is made (as nice as that is) and accept everything that is said. There has been this lingering vibe about the club since Clem (and possible A N Other(s) ) took over that they are the only ones going through tough financial situations. Well hell-to the fucking-o, just about every human has felt the impact of the last couple of years (and continue to do so). Did they forget that when shamelessly pleading with folk to defer season ticket refunds? When they didn't they put a pressing vibe across that made those people feel guilty for not doing so - dug their heels in when issuing said refunds and had more stalls than the Royal Albert Hall. Like for fuck sake. Fans have still come out in numbers and yet STFC have still been quite cunty about things like this.

Contrasting STFC quotes that follow mean is it any wonder folk still are concerned:

"You need to do your bit to help turn it around" (granted but don't guilt trip your core support)
"We can pay £7m to cover all debts" (Well... :unsure: )
"We're asking fans to defer ST refunds - we'll give you the equivalent discount of a roll of PTFE tape from Clem's Overstocks"*
"You've got your Club back" (hmm, have we?!)

Some people can just see through stuff and anyone buying this club should be aware that STFC fans whilst loyal to their club will not put up with another owner that puts them through a load more shite; more importantly so - they can see when things aren't quite "right" due to years of mismanagement/poor ownership.

Anyway, I agree with Sir Batchio though that this should maybe wait until after the POs but the Trust shouldn't be continually defending the club every time someone asks a pressing question, just because one of their main buddies now happens to be CEO - otherwise your role as Trust becomes rather pointless; a bit like those Tick Box Advisory Board Meetings...




*The second part of this was made up. It's actually 3 rolls  :D

I can assure you we hold the club and CM to account having attended many of the AB meetings I can confirm many times we have disagreed , argued and given the club feedback not in line with what the club want to do, certainly no nodding yes by default as you describe. I have actual real experience and evidence of this so perhaps back up your claim ??

I can also assure you the AB is not a tick box exercise,  half of the really positive changes made would not have occured without this vehicle which is always very open, honest and certainly not the Trust or OSC just nodding in agreement! There is alot of great work done through the AB and lots of hard work completed by both the Trust and OSC. I would not regularly take time off my day job to attend and contribute if it was a waste of time box ticking exercise. What would be the point?

There is alot being made that things are not quite as they seem, its simply not true.
Yes an ex trust board member is CEO but would you rather have an intelligent and successful passionate swindon fan running our football club who cares desperately that our club improves on and off the pitch, than just another money man CEO who is driven by spreadsheets and no attachment or genuine love of the club?

Things are never perfect and yes mistakes have been made and the club have learnt from these and perhaps they may have done some things differently , but I would 1000% rather have what we have now than what we have had previously.  I genuingly know and feel Clem and Rob etc have the best interests of STFC in what they do, I have seen it at first hand many times, they might not always get it right but what human being can state they always get everything right.

I think if people have evidence to prove their general negativity and a general what appears to be unhealthy undertone to some of these unevidenced comments please share with us and we will assess it. If you dont then just get behind the club and let's get promotion and stop this silliness which is stated but not ever evidenced?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 21:47:06
100%, well said. And given the suggestions on here about Austin’s role being more significant than it has been presented in public, a relief to hear. Thanks to the Trust and OSC for the work they’re doing. We’d have zero insight if it wasn’t for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, May 11, 2022, 22:26:44
Is he part of the club now though?

I have sent a large bag of shit with a ladle that you can stir it to your heart's content.

Noone can prove definitively that anyone isn't involved so we all might be, unless there is evidence that we already are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 06:45:24
I have sent a large bag of shit with a ladle that you can stir it to your heart's content.

Noone can prove definitively that anyone isn't involved so we all might be, unless there is evidence that we already are.


Nothing to stir only concerns.
All about on the pitch matters. A case of waiting to see what unfolds in the Court.

All we want is transparency and stability at Swindon afterall.
The feel good factor has returned and it’s a million miles from where we were.

All about the play offs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 07:23:53
The PSC register on companies house is clear that Clem is the ultimate controlling party.

Swindon Town Football Company Limited is owned by Seebeck 87 Limited, which is owned by Swinton Reds 20 Limited, which is owned by Axis Football Investments Limited, which is owned by Clem Morfuni.

It's a mess of holding companies but the ownership is fairly clear.

However, whether anyone has a loan outstanding against any of those companies is not clear. But that's a different matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 07:49:27
Things have gone a bit fuzzy for me.

What’s the deal with the Power/Standing case? S says P owes him circa £6m which is what he purported to have put into the club (under the radar). With the club now being legally sold to Clem is Standing trying to get his money back personally from P?

The club was bought for £212,500 off P - te he - how else will S get his money back?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:00:45
Just waiting for this lass to give us her thoughts....
(https://www.mysticmeg.com/images/[email protected])


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:01:23
Ah, Mystic Smeg


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:04:22
Things have gone a bit fuzzy for me.

What’s the deal with the Power/Standing case? S says P owes him circa £6m which is what he purported to have put into the club (under the radar). With the club now being legally sold to Clem is Standing trying to get his money back personally from P?

The club was bought for £212,500 off P - te he - how else will S get his money back?

Thing is there was an injunction to stop Power selling to Able without Standings say so,now either that was waived for the sale to Clem, which suggests some sort of agreement between Clem and Standing or alternatively did it not apply as Clem was an existing shareholder in the company and thus a sale of shares to him was essentially an internal reallocation of shares beyond the extent of the injunction?

One could note that all those griping at the Trust from the sidelines are quite able (no pun intended) to put themselves forward to get involved (and give up the time required) and then they can influence what is happening.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:30:36
The Trust is US (members) not 'them'. The *elected* officials work hard on our behalf and don't get paid!

After Power there is going to be residual worry and questions. Especially when characters of dubious past are close.

Questioning is just that. Nothing more.

if the Trust hierarchy knew of XA involvement, have done due diligence, checked out kerachi, etc and are happy with what they found then that's all they can do


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 08:54:08
When are the FA going to make a decision on our ‘ownership’ problem under Power?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:12:44
When are the FA going to make a decision on our ‘ownership’ problem under Power?

One would assume before the start of next season at the very latest, I cannot remember how long it took them last time to see us promoted via the play offs and then fuck us over?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:30:37
Hadn't it been established that wasn't allowed? Or is he no longer an agent?
Standing resigned as an agent at the end of last season. FWIW.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bedford Red on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:31:14
One would assume before the start of next season at the very latest, I cannot remember how long it took them last time to see us promoted via the play offs and then fuck us over?

10 days, i remember it well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:33:44
10 days, i remember it well.
Absolutely, awful memories.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 09:40:07
Considering they would have had to become close acquaintances as part of the overall agenda to overthrow Power, and that Standing is no longer an agent, I feel it could be possible and potentially forgiven if Clem was taking general football advice from Standing from time to time, I.e players, infrastructure etc.
I can see why that would be a worry given the shady nature of the Power tenure, and its still some form of attachment to that era. Or if it is a scratching back scenario of I helped you get the club, now take X number of players from my previous agency - although I don't think I've noticed any first touch Pro clients with us on transfermarkt. Again, all very hypothetical, but some scenarios may not be as worrying as alluded to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 10:24:04
My 10c worth - this is probably not the right time for this discussion, we have an important 2/3 weeks ahead (hopefully) but that doesn't take away that this is a valid and very important, and interesting discussion.

What I don't get is why, people have a problem with people asking the questions?  Surely all fans should welcome people questioning what it going on and asking for more transparency.  It's like a vicious circle sometimes reading these discussions. 

Everyone gets aggy with DOB asking for reasons behind his questions, some posters get aggy with the trust due to (understandable) historic mistrust, the trust (not publicly, but on here) gets aggy with posters for questioning the involvement of high level individuals within the club, which is what the trust is there for on the fans behalf.

All of the questions are valid and should be welcomed, whether individuals have information that has raised these questions shouldn't matter, let's face it, lots of people hear things or know things that they are not willing to divulge on a public forum, this includes posters and members of the trust. If the questions don't get asked then we are just going down the same path as previously. 

We are in a much better place than previously, everyone agrees with that, but that shouldn't mean that questions shouldn't be asked.  I just wish people would stop demanding answers to the reasons for the questions and that people would stop getting offended when the questions are asked - as fans, and based on what we have all been through, the more things that are questioned the better.
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:01:15
My 10c worth - this is probably not the right time for this discussion, we have an important 2/3 weeks ahead (hopefully) but that doesn't take away that this is a valid and very important, and interesting discussion.

What I don't get is why, people have a problem with people asking the questions?  Surely all fans should welcome people questioning what it going on and asking for more transparency.  It's like a vicious circle sometimes reading these discussions. 

Everyone gets aggy with DOB asking for reasons behind his questions, some posters get aggy with the trust due to (understandable) historic mistrust, the trust (not publicly, but on here) gets aggy with posters for questioning the involvement of high level individuals within the club, which is what the trust is there for on the fans behalf.

All of the questions are valid and should be welcomed, whether individuals have information that has raised these questions shouldn't matter, let's face it, lots of people hear things or know things that they are not willing to divulge on a public forum, this includes posters and members of the trust. If the questions don't get asked then we are just going down the same path as previously. 

We are in a much better place than previously, everyone agrees with that, but that shouldn't mean that questions shouldn't be asked.  I just wish people would stop demanding answers to the reasons for the questions and that people would stop getting offended when the questions are asked - as fans, and based on what we have all been through, the more things that are questioned the better.
 
I don't think anyone has the issue with questions. It's when it's implying they know that there is murky going ons with cryptic crap or accuse the trust of not asking questions that people get a bit aggy.  Take DOB for example he clearly thinks he knows something but posts in riddles. Clem and Rob Angus have been on every social media platform going and answer the questions people ask. Someone posted the other day that they were concerned that Austin was appointed as chairman on the hush the other day when it was announced on the official website wasn't it? I think it's when people post cryptic and false things people probably get defensive


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:09:39
I don't think anyone has the issue with questions. It's when it's implying they know that there is murky going ons with cryptic crap or accuse the trust of not asking questions that people get a bit aggy.  Take DOB for example he clearly thinks he knows something but posts in riddles. Clem and Rob Angus have been on every social media platform going and answer the questions people ask. Someone posted the other day that they were concerned that Austin was appointed as chairman on the hush the other day when it was announced on the official website wasn't it? I think it's when people post cryptic and false things people probably get defensive

Sorry? Austin announced as Chairman?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:11:31
I don't think anyone has the issue with questions. It's when it's implying they know that there is murky going ons with cryptic crap or accuse the trust of not asking questions that people get a bit aggy.  Take DOB for example he clearly thinks he knows something but posts in riddles. Clem and Rob Angus have been on every social media platform going and answer the questions people ask. Someone posted the other day that they were concerned that Austin was appointed as chairman on the hush the other day when it was announced on the official website wasn't it? I think it's when people post cryptic and false things people probably get defensive

I get that, but isn't the fact that (most) questions being asked are a good thing, irrelevant of the source of those questions?  People getting wound up about ITK implications (which we have seen on here for years) doesn't take anything away from the fact that I would like to know what the response is to that question, and on the flip side doesn't need people getting offended that the question has been asked in the first place.

Most of us are long in the tooth now, and if we still can't get away from getting wound up with the existence of ITKers then we are no better than the twitterati that love to go fishing on a daily basis.  For me, it just disrupts what is a needed, whorthwhile and interesting discussion/debate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:11:45
vice


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:14:40
Without travelling back through hundreds of posts and debate, could someone summarise what the questions of concern and are outstanding actually are?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:21:51
We are on a web forum!

We are all a bunch if weirdos!

Of course people are going to have weird and whacky views and get upset at the slightest thing!

Personally, I'd like to know:
- Is Mr X Austin dodgy?
- What are we trying to gain from Pakistan?
- Is Mr Standing involved in/with the club?
- Are we going to be screwed by the FA?

I am reassured by:
- Rob Angus being former Trust and a big fan being involved with putting the club on a firm footing.
- Things appearing to be going right on and off the pitch

I am hopeful that:
- The will be no new sleezy revelations and surprises
- We do well in the playoffs
- We can kick on next year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:24:07
Without travelling back through hundreds of posts and debate, could someone summarise what the questions of concern and are outstanding actually are?

It's 64 posts - including 2 posts about Mystic Meg. Just read them you lazy oaf.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:32:29
The PSC register on companies house is clear that Clem is the ultimate controlling party.

Swindon Town Football Company Limited is owned by Seebeck 87 Limited, which is owned by Swinton Reds 20 Limited, which is owned by Axis Football Investments Limited, which is owned by Clem Morfuni.

It's a mess of holding companies but the ownership is fairly clear.

However, whether anyone has a loan outstanding against any of those companies is not clear. But that's a different matter.

As I understand it, the question has been asked by others whether there are beneficial owners other than CM. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:35:34
It's 64 posts - including 2 posts about Mystic Meg. Just read them you lazy oaf.
Am I the only one who checked back to see if it was exactly 64 posts?

You could have just said page 113!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:37:30
Without travelling back through hundreds of posts and debate, could someone summarise what the questions of concern and are outstanding actually are?

What is your name?
What is your quest?
What is the capital of Assyria?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:38:25
It's 64 posts - including 2 posts about Mystic Meg. Just read them you lazy oaf.

That's no way to speak to a Trust Board member.  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 11:41:54
What is your name?
What is your quest?
What is the capital of Assyria?


African or European? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 12:00:02
Am I the only one who checked back to see if it was exactly 64 posts?

You could have just said page 113!

I did think that after I had hit 'post' :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 12:02:01
That's no way to speak to a Trust Board member.  :D

Ah, I was unaware! Please accept my apologies Mr Trust Board member for any insult caused.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 12:10:23
I get that, but isn't the fact that (most) questions being asked are a good thing, irrelevant of the source of those questions?  People getting wound up about ITK implications (which we have seen on here for years) doesn't take anything away from the fact that I would like to know what the response is to that question, and on the flip side doesn't need people getting offended that the question has been asked in the first place.

Most of us are long in the tooth now, and if we still can't get away from getting wound up with the existence of ITKers then we are no better than the twitterati that love to go fishing on a daily basis.  For me, it just disrupts what is a needed, whorthwhile and interesting discussion/debate.
Questions totally, i have asked every single question everyone has but i just find the whole cryptic stuff weird. If it's of detriment to the club then tell people exactly what it is, you are right in saying we can then ask the question. What are we supposed to ask with posts that say oh you are getting warmer now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 14:09:22
African or European? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
How do you know so much about Swallows?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 14:27:43
I can assure you we hold the club and CM to account having attended many of the AB meetings I can confirm many times we have disagreed , argued and given the club feedback not in line with what the club want to do, certainly no nodding yes by default as you describe. I have actual real experience and evidence of this so perhaps back up your claim ??

I can also assure you the AB is not a tick box exercise,  half of the really positive changes made would not have occured without this vehicle which is always very open, honest and certainly not the Trust or OSC just nodding in agreement! There is alot of great work done through the AB and lots of hard work completed by both the Trust and OSC. I would not regularly take time off my day job to attend and contribute if it was a waste of time box ticking exercise. What would be the point?

There is alot being made that things are not quite as they seem, its simply not true.
Yes an ex trust board member is CEO but would you rather have an intelligent and successful passionate swindon fan running our football club who cares desperately that our club improves on and off the pitch, than just another money man CEO who is driven by spreadsheets and no attachment or genuine love of the club?

Things are never perfect and yes mistakes have been made and the club have learnt from these and perhaps they may have done some things differently , but I would 1000% rather have what we have now than what we have had previously.  I genuingly know and feel Clem and Rob etc have the best interests of STFC in what they do, I have seen it at first hand many times, they might not always get it right but what human being can state they always get everything right.

I think if people have evidence to prove their general negativity and a general what appears to be unhealthy undertone to some of these unevidenced comments please share with us and we will assess it. If you dont then just get behind the club and let's get promotion and stop this silliness which is stated but not ever evidenced?


I appreciate the response James albeit a little defensive...

I will remind that I did open with 'Why do I feel like the Trust has become more of a sort of "yes man" to the club? Just a hunch, don't slaughter me for it but it seems all rather nodding of heads and all is rosy when it really isn't.'...so with that opening context, it's important to note I didn't actually say that I was claiming those things as fact - merely a feeling due to the possible previous inconsistencies/jiggery pokery/shitshows (please feel free to delete as appropriate for any era of ownership that comes to mind).

It is very honourable indeed that you do continue to take time off work (as do others) and contribute; as well as not seeing it as a waste of time regarding the ABMs. Again, it is only how I feel it "seems" rather than what it "is" - often our own instincts on things can be accurate even when we truly think they are totally off kilter from our normal and logical thought process. Sometimes only hindsight and the passing of former future events actually reveal if that instinct was accurate or not. There's no personal ill towards yourself.

Actually, you've flipped the "RA being a bad/good thing" there on it's head. What I meant is, that whilst I'm pretty certain that RA is incredibly passionate and professional about what he does I think you/we could agree that sometimes professionally it isn't best to mix business with pleasure (I say that word lightly regarding Town as any lifelong fan will know, "pleasure" is a completely different term when pertaining STFC :) ). It can sometimes cloud our judgement or mean we make decisions based on our heart rather than our head. I'm not saying RA is/has/will do this at some point but I think it's a very clever move from Clem. Having a well known (to fans and Trust) figurehead as his company mouthpiece, means people will indeed instantly warm to that person. Sometimes regardless of what has to be said. Situations can be easier to smooth over with some clever PR/Spin. Again - this isn't to detriment of the Trust or RA just that I have a lingering concern that when thing goes south/sour some of these things could come back and hit us like a kipper! I'm not sure if you'll see my reasoning there but people who own large businesses/football clubs often have some unsavoury methods of getting what they want. Does anyone think that Jeff Bezos got where he was by being incredibly ethical and caring what was bulldozed to the side? Even with a charm offensive - these people do get what they want  in some way or another.

I wouldn't mind a CEO who actually isn't connected to either party or very pally with either and is totally independent from any previous influence or those that employ them. That to me is a better model. People don't have to love a football club to do their job well and also be focused on getting that remit completed. So that RA loves the club part is moot regarding his role. We all love the club (I think ;) ) when we strip everything back go simplicity.

I still feel the way the club tried to ignore everyone else's financial situation when it came to stalling on ST refunds was pretty disgusting (and yet fans still came out in numbers, big numbers for this particular season); it's as if non one else was/is struggling and only STFC had/seemingly still has money problems. Would that not leave a bad taste with several? Even if they could afford to defer - the principle and approach was pressured and repetitive until several keeled over. Almost like dealing with Scottish Power!

Your closing statement again is quite defensive and yet again leans more in support of the club than that of the concerned fan. That still feels odd to me. Note "feels". Mainly because evidence isn't needed to portray in writing how one feels about a situation. I'm not directly claiming that these things are true, I'm purely reiterating that there is a lingering concern due to past owners over several decades. No one needs evidence to put down in writing their thoughts and feelings - not such on a forum that is representative of a fairly small demographic of the Town fanbase (still important nonetheless of course) - to ask/infer they do seems a bit "off" really James and it only further drives hat defensive leaning of your stance towards club and away from fans.

That isn't the Trust I originally knew and once again I will state it is just a "feeling" from myself and isn't representative nor tries to be representative of anyone else (although some may find that they agree with some of the above).

I will end with a positive note that the renewed comms is very welcomed, across all parties and it is a far cry from what once was. However, I'm sure you will agree that whilst uncertainty linger for many fans then we can always strive to get better and better; until it becomes an ingrained culture that feels more organic. At present it feels (to me) a little forced/inauthentic but I do get that and I understand the reasons why.

Here's to great weekend and for a positive 1st Leg result v Port Vale in the  Play-Off Semis;  some great opportunities to make some more money for the club :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, May 12, 2022, 14:43:25
It’s every right to be cautious

I remember the last time we had an owner win control of the club through the courts from an unpopular chairman, make noises about progressing off the field and funded a squad that immediately made the play offs. That didn’t end well


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 13, 2022, 13:54:25
What’s the timescale for dropping a roof on the Bank?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 13, 2022, 13:59:18
What’s the timescale for dropping a roof on the Bank?
Hopefully before Sunday if the weather reports are right! oh sorry Vale fans looks like you will be getting wet!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 13, 2022, 15:00:59
It all looked so sunny when they finally agreed to the 2200 too.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 13, 2022, 16:20:12
It all looked so sunny when they finally agreed to the 2200 too.
:badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :badmood: :smugfu:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 10:05:16
We are no longer on the Embargo list for League 2 clubs on the EFL website. Has the embargo been lifted does anyone know?

My stupid work internet doesn't allow copy and paste for non-work related websites so can't provide a link, sorry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 10:06:43
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 10:07:27
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/

Wouldn't be surprised that its an EFL admin error.

That said, it would allow us to start negotiating extensions sooner rather than in June (or whenever it automatically lifted)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 10:11:04
We are no longer on the Embargo list for League 2 clubs on the EFL website. Has the embargo been lifted does anyone know?

My stupid work internet doesn't allow copy and paste for non-work related websites so can't provide a link, sorry.

They’re probably just haven’t got round to typing up the league 1 page yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 20:07:35
see the adver have jumped on the news.

but is it news?

Quote
We’ve managed to build a pretty strong squad within the restrictions. The restrictions and embargo only lasts for one season and then it’s lifted, even if you haven’t re-paid the loan in full.

“So while you’ve got an interest-free loan of £1.04 million that you can re-pay over four years, the restrictions only last for one season.”

season ends. embargo lifted. seems like that was always going to happen according to the above


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, May 17, 2022, 22:13:51
It makes zero sense to pay off the debt now, when we are less than a month away from it lifting anyway. 

It must be an error from the EFL.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 07:00:25
It's not an error, we paid the first part off that needed paying and the rest is interest free so we are out of the embargo


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 07:18:56
It makes zero sense to pay off the debt now, when we are less than a month away from it lifting anyway.  

It must be an error from the EFL.

It would allow us to offer longer contracts sooner wouldn't it?

July 1st is a bit late if that's when it would naturally expire, isn't the league starting early next season?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 08:47:36
It would allow us to offer longer contracts sooner wouldn't it?

July 1st is a bit late if that's when it would naturally expire, isn't the league starting early next season?
Starts a week earlier than usual I think... July 30th


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 10:25:13
If there was anything to pay off whether we needed to or not and the club have paid it the. There must be a reason to have done so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 10:27:33
If there was anything to pay off whether we needed to or not and the club have paid it the. There must be a reason to have done so.

It was done to ensure we could tie Charlie Austin down to a decent contract :-)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 10:33:53
Clubs have to communicate by the end of May their retained list.
Makes perfect sense to be ahead of the game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 10:41:09
If there was anything to pay off whether we needed to or not and the club have paid it the. There must be a reason to have done so.

I don't think we've paid it off. We've made the initial year's repayment of the covid hardship loan, have agreed a plan to pay back the rest over the next few years, and have accepted the embargo for the 2021/22 season as the price of paying it back over time.

That season proper is now over, so I guess that's the end of the embargo, hence we're off the list. Other clubs embargoes must be related to other issues I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 11:52:57
I don't think we've paid it off. We've made the initial year's repayment of the covid hardship loan, have agreed a plan to pay back the rest over the next few years, and have accepted the embargo for the 2021/22 season as the price of paying it back over time.

That season proper is now over, so I guess that's the end of the embargo, hence we're off the list. Other clubs embargoes must be related to other issues I guess.
Spot on


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 12:07:20
I don't think we've paid it off. We've made the initial year's repayment of the covid hardship loan, have agreed a plan to pay back the rest over the next few years, and have accepted the embargo for the 2021/22 season as the price of paying it back over time.

That season proper is now over, so I guess that's the end of the embargo, hence we're off the list. Other clubs embargoes must be related to other issues I guess.

Well that explains it. Other than the play offs, the season is over so to say you’re ‘free’ to conduct transfer business unhindered seems a sensible decision, even if it is a few weeks before the ‘official’ deadline clause.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 19, 2022, 08:18:22
I thought new contracts get agreed etc and they officially start on July 1 as that always gives those out of contract / released that extra months pay from the end of the season ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:35:10
Accounts have been released https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history?fbclid=IwAR128aFX-fU3gwUQ_eBaAEUuoKqyI93dRFljMTTnLKx8vLq-UiaAD2WS0TQ


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:57:05
Quite a few 'adjustments' there. Lethal Lee getting creative with the accounts no doubt!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:17:33
Anybody going to give a layman's rundown


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:38:21
Stuff wasn't accounted for properly.

£270k of loans were recorded as income and shareholder capital. No doubt these are the other debts that were identified soon after Clem took over.

It means the liabilities on the balance sheet have grown, but the bigger question would be who made the loans and what are the terms.

£365k of costs that have now been restated as not being company deductible is interesting. Suggests that someone might have been using club funds for personal benefit. I wonder who...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:42:30
Gloria

(it's a long story)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:43:36
so anyway, what's the total liability.

to the untrained eye it looked to be 7 million but I've not read it yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:53:14
so anyway, what's the total liability.

to the untrained eye it looked to be 7 million but I've not read it yet.

Does this mean that the debt that we have been whittling down to 1.7 million is now effectively 8.7 million now then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 21:19:55
Does this mean that the debt that we have been whittling down to 1.7 million is now effectively 8.7 million now then?

No!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 21:29:17
No - this is the position at 31 May 2021 - so at the end of the relegation season - and shortly before the court case and Clem taking over.
It summarises what they have found and pieced together from what LP left behind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 27, 2022, 05:08:58
No - this is the position at 31 May 2021 - so at the end of the relegation season - and shortly before the court case and Clem taking over.
It summarises what they have found and pieced together from what LP left behind.

OK thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 05:15:18
Give it a couple if days and Kieran Maguire from The Price of Football will digest the figures and give his opinion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lash_sumthin on Friday, May 27, 2022, 12:37:10
(https://i.ibb.co/hXPTZ0m/STFC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mvLPXpc)

Excuse the weird signage


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 12:49:26
Do you want to give comment on that Lash_sumthin (or Samdy)


( edit: OK, the bellow is non-current which are still debts but long term)

TO me it looks like at the end of 2021 debt repayable within a year was 3.7M, but that a  *further* 3.9M was owed after
    2M debenture
    1.9M "other borrowings"

So how much debt do we have. I assume I have read it wrong and/or the "other borrowings**" and "debenture*" is not repayable just yet.

*Thought the debenture was payable on sale of the club, and that Power bought it from Black. So ??!
** ??? Directors loans ??







Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lash_sumthin on Friday, May 27, 2022, 13:16:58
Nothing that wasn't touched upon above & documented in note 9 for the 2020 restatement

Stuff incorrectly recorded [I think it plays as below]

LP 2020 P&L                                       (12,856,053)
Loan recorded as income                          (119,800)
Recruitment costs that were not...              217,145
Misidentified deductible costs                     364,706
CM 2020 P&L                                     (12,394,002)

and then 2021 is pre Clem anyway with the big change on creditors due within the year being taxation [HMRC I assume]



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 13:44:24
I guess what I am really asking is when the debts recorded by the advisory board are paid off, are we really debt free.

It is there still circa 4M left


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, May 27, 2022, 14:03:46
To some extent there will always be some debt, no doubt the money that Clem has invested will be structured as a loan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 16:18:41
Might as well put this here

‘Pakistan Football Ultras

A training camp was held by @Official_STFC coaches in Karachi to select at least 2 talented players and train them at @AcademySTFC 👏

Hopefully, they will improve with modern training & learn it the Swindon way 😉

@mak_asif

More: youtube.com/watch?v=U7anUI…

#PakistanFootball

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U7anUIPjwhA


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 17:32:40
this sounds in no way dodgy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:06:26
The Austin/Hart involvement/ownership of the club suggests this is not all going to end well, despite an enjoyable season in the main.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:15:25
Interesting question, where the energy for this partnership is coming from; and why there was not some exploration of the potential of the existing link between the Community Foundation and Livingston, Zambia. Partnerships of this kind can be really, really good for both partners, but there are pitfalls too.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:16:58
The Austin/Hart involvement/ownership of the club suggests this is not all going to end well, despite an enjoyable season in the main.
Hart? Who's that?


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:19:28
@boeta - Hart?

RWB - I think I'd understand it more if we were on level footing financially.. Well sort of. Don't get why it's a priority now. And a former money launderer linking with Pakistan makes me nervous.

probably hopefully a rediculous paranoid overreaction. I genuinely hope so


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:24:47
this sounds in no way dodgy
Parent that pays the most money gets the visa… sorry I mean opportunity. Hopefully just our years of financial mismanagement making us cynical.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:28:45

The Austin/Hart involvement/ownership of the club suggests this is not all going to end well, despite an enjoyable season in the main.

Who is this Hart? I'm not sure what you are trying to imply, what has Rob/Clem done to make you think that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:28:56
Hart? Who's that?
Guessing he’s referring to Adam Hart….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:31:13


Interesting question, where the energy for this partnership is coming from; and why there was not some exploration of the potential of the existing link between the Community Foundation and Livingston, Zambia. Partnerships of this kind can be really, really good for both partners, but there are pitfalls too.....

As this is being lead by Zavier, assume he has contacts in Pakistan, which is why that country has been chosen?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:50:17


RWB - I think I'd understand it more if we were on level footing financially.. Well sort of. Don't get why it's a priority now. And a former money launderer linking with Pakistan makes me nervous.

probably hopefully a rediculous paranoid overreaction. I genuinely hope so
[/quote]

I agree it is odd timing and the club has no history of overseas engagement of this sort (where some lower league clubs have). I have some experience of developing these links, including some involvement with the Zambia link, and, in the right context, and with careful planning at both ends, they can be excellent; but they can also be a disaster.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:59:44
Guessing he’s referring to Adam Hart….
Yep.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:02:02
Yep.
I’ve heard him mentioned but surely it’s not THAT Adam Hart of mid 2000’s infamy?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:02:45
Yep.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:03:35
Guessing he’s referring to Adam Hart….

Who he?

Aha..a link

https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/13176258-smd-build-ltd


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:03:49
Who the fuck is Adam Hart?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:11:37
Who the fuck is Adam Hart?
He’s was a director in one of Austin’s companies, there’s a former U.K. most wanted of the same name and age that I think people have suggested is the same guy.

It can’t be the same guy, even we wouldn’t be that unlucky.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:18:43
Wishful thinking unfortunately. (so I understand - 2nd/3rd hand info but no reason to doubt)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:32:10
It's Swindon Town...
Spidey sense, activate


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 19:42:09
Never change Swindon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 20:21:14
Wishful thinking unfortunately. (so I understand - 2nd/3rd hand info but no reason to doubt)
To be honest this is the first time I’ve heard his name mentioned outside people I talk to regularly and until now I’d just brushed it off as an age and name coincidence. If it really is the same person and Austin does have links to him then that would be a massive red flag and some explaining would be needed on how close they are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 23:22:09
It is 100% THAT Adam Hart


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 03:58:56
So, does this fella actually have anything whatsoever to do with STFC?

Who remembers that pic of Power sat at Millwall chatting merrily with career gangster Charlie Richardson


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 06:15:36
On the face of it this Zav Austin seeems as crooked as the spire at Chesterfield which is a real worry considering what we have been through in the past.

Surely the trust would have been all over this? 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 06:42:42
Might as well put this here

‘Pakistan Football Ultras

A training camp was held by @Official_STFC coaches in Karachi to select at least 2 talented players and train them at @AcademySTFC 👏

Hopefully, they will improve with modern training & learn it the Swindon way 😉

@mak_asif

More: youtube.com/watch?v=U7anUI…

#PakistanFootball

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U7anUIPjwhA
Did anyone watch this?

Zav Austin was pretty rude and arrogant. Coach Alex was a lot more diplomatic.

Squad of 23 down to 15-18 and then the possibility of bringing a couple to the UK if they are good enough. Hmmm, not sure how that works!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 06:46:52
So, does this fella actually have anything whatsoever to do with STFC?

Who remembers that pic of Power sat at Millwall chatting merrily with career gangster Charlie Richardson

The connection is they were directors of a company, Adam Hart has now resigned.  I'm sure many people know dodgy people, it doesn't mean he is involved, I don't think Zavier has invested anything in the club (I'm sure that what he said), so why would this other guy be involved?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 07:57:13
On the face of it this Zav Austin seeems as crooked as the spire at Chesterfield which is a real worry considering what we have been through in the past.

Surely the trust would have been all over this?  

Just have to let things roll.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:45:58
So, reading between the lines the subtle unspoken intimation here is that the Special Projects division of the club is involved in some dodgy cash for visas scheme & possibly dipping it's toe into the booming opiate import market. Really?!

Seriously though, unearthing a gem or two is certainly a long term project.
It's a noble enterprise in a relatively untapped footballing market and if the locals end up wandering around in Town shirts, watching on iFollow and being glued to match day threads then all well & good & very worthwhile.

Hope that the links with Zambia will also continue to be developed via FITC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 12:12:24
So, does this fella actually have anything whatsoever to do with STFC?

Who remembers that pic of Power sat at Millwall chatting merrily with career gangster Charlie Richardson
Pretty sure he was on the pitch with Austin before the Walsall game. He’s a boxing trainer or something now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 12:20:53
He was a pro kickboxer, so that makes sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 12:54:51
https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1455640979780821003?t=KnhoO5ZL9VdMhDyGjorjvg&s=19


The dashing fellow with his foot on the hoardings I'm led to believe. 

Big old lump, I'll have to ditch my protein shakes and start munching on SIM cards instead to bulk up.. :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 13:00:00
https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1455640979780821003?t=KnhoO5ZL9VdMhDyGjorjvg&s=19


The dashing fellow with his foot on the hoardings I'm led to believe.  

Big old lump, I'll have to ditch my protein shakes and start munching on SIM cards instead to bulk up.. :sherlock:
That’s him yeah! And it is definitely the same guy that went to prison.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:35:34
Am enjoying Marcus Cassidy's daily updates on the pitch renovation on Twitter. Probably just me  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 12:15:23
Not at all, I like seeing all the behind the scenes kinda stuff!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 12:38:32
Am enjoying Marcus Cassidy's daily updates on the pitch renovation on Twitter. Probably just me  :)

It's great.

Interestingly on the ffit course on Thursday we were asked to refrain from taking pictures of the pitch :) :)

(No this isn't a conspiracy post)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 12:42:27
The photos that Marcus has been posting have shown the various stages very well though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 24, 2022, 15:20:18
As the stream of new sponsors continue to come on board one has to wonder whether Power was just missing a trick to get more cash into the club or whether people just didn't want to deal with him.

You have to admire the work the commercial department are doing to get tied up with so many local companies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 24, 2022, 15:47:23
Wonder how much we really make from it.

There are many benefits of course outside direct financial contributions - its good to see the link being formed


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, June 24, 2022, 16:54:02
Am enjoying Marcus Cassidy's daily updates on the pitch renovation on Twitter. Probably just me  :)

Can you repost them for those of us not in the Twattersphere circle?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, June 24, 2022, 16:54:38
The photos that Marcus has been posting have shown the various stages very well though.

Let’s hope Charlton don’t poach him too ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 24, 2022, 16:55:16
Am enjoying Marcus Cassidy's daily updates on the pitch renovation on Twitter. Probably just me  :)
Amazed he hasn’t decamped to The Valley


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, June 24, 2022, 17:35:56
Can you repost them for those of us not in the Twattersphere circle?

A selection:

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1528785387673501696?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1529144246548287490?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1529869338215424001?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1530182469328191488?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1531308642967998467?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1531660654129696773?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1532293809492697088?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1532653157037350912?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1534858323991973888?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1535955426008866822?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1536286433211990018?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1538123662389280773?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1538833470104928258?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1539916877752930304?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, June 24, 2022, 18:09:17
A selection:

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1528785387673501696?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1529144246548287490?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1529869338215424001?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1530182469328191488?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1531308642967998467?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1531660654129696773?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1532293809492697088?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1532653157037350912?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1534858323991973888?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1535955426008866822?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1536286433211990018?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1538123662389280773?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1538833470104928258?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g

https://twitter.com/CassidyMarcus/status/1539916877752930304?s=20&t=S9040o_lJoAOROJPVVO01g



Very much appreciated, thank you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, June 25, 2022, 19:59:07
I wonder if the PA system is being sorted out while all this is happening


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 25, 2022, 20:14:05
I wonder if the PA system is being sorted out while all this is happening
Not been done yet which is weird as we were told it wasn’t fixed mid season as it required the pitch to be dug up, Cassidy said it is planned to be done when the pitch is established. Better be fixed as it wasn’t just shit last season it was outright irritating with the speaker nearest me just buzzing all game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 07:41:01
Not sure, but is this change in FA regulations going to benefit us regards Standing

‘🚨 Change to FA Intermediaries Regulations: 🚨

Intermediary fees for ‘Club Services’ can now be calculated by reference to the transfer fee paid by buying club in ‘Transactions’ where intermediary also represents player.

Previously not permitted under the Regulations ⚽️ 📝


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 11:09:56
Apparently there was some twitter grumblings last night that we'd been deducted three points. Haven't seen it myself but haven't ventured on there yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 15:22:08
Apparently there was some twitter grumblings last night that we'd been deducted three points. Haven't seen it myself but haven't ventured on there yet.

I think this is bollocks. Think.

There was a suspended 3 point deduction for not paying wages last year. The suspension ended 1st July.

Only other known source of a points deduction would be from the FA charges. I'll be amazed if they are concluded before the standing v powet court case is


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 10:37:22
Finally the "can't believe its not Power/Curran" Able issue is being closer to resolved. It was always headed this way.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20258987.swindon-town-fight-able-winding-up-petition-high-court/

Quote

Swindon Town FC will do battle in the High Court on Thursday (July 7) as they bid to avoid being wound-up.

American firm AC Sports Wiltshire, otherwise known as Able, have applied for the club to be wound up after claiming that a loan made under the reign of former owner Lee Power is outstanding and should be repaid.

The case was first heard in January before being moved to this week.

As previously reported, the amount of the loan in question, which Able claim should be paid back, was not mentioned at the previous court hearing in January, but it is believed to be between £100,000 and £300,000.

But representing Swindon Town Football Company Ltd, the company behind the club, at the hearing, Jessica Powers said there was evidence that the loan agreement was varied and the money was repaid to a petitioner who attempted to purchase the club.

She claimed the case was brought with “improper motive”.

A winding up petition is usually a last resort for creditors that are owed money used against companies that are insolvent and can't pay their debt. If the court sides with the creditors then that company is typically forced into liquidation.

The case will take place at the High Court on Thursday in front of Deputy Insolvency Judge Stephen Baister.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 20:00:18
It's only the winder. Other claims could follow if a winding up order isn't made.

______________

Is it June or late September
Is it 1993
Could you help me to remember
Is this how I'm supposed to be

Sometimes I think the pain blows my mind
Pain blows my mind.

Did you ever get those cigarettes
And did you get anything for me
Will you help me to remember
When I fall into the sea.

Sometimes I think the pain blows my mind
Pain blows my mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 08:08:26
Is there any way we can follow these events today?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 08:15:46
Is there any way we can follow these events today?

Its at 1130 on Teams (case no: CR-2021-002073), whether the normal man in the street can listen in who knows, especially after all the bollocks of last time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 08:17:50
Its at 1130 on Teams (case no: CR-2021-002073), whether the normal man in the street can listen in who knows, especially after all the bollocks of last time.

Thanks mate, if anyone does tune in (if able to) some updates would be greatly appreciated


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 08:19:49
I suspect that a winding up order won't be made. The creditor will presumably sue the debtor for the sums allegedly due.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 10:24:58
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/weve-reviewed-our-loyalty-point-scheme/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 10:37:03
I suspect that a winding up order won't be made. The creditor will presumably sue the debtor for the sums allegedly due.

Oh, so could drag on and on.

Will removal of the winding up order open up our credit lines? I believe that was a reason inputting into the lack of card facilities for season tickets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 10:37:54
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/weve-reviewed-our-loyalty-point-scheme/

That's good to see, BUT...

surely if you buy 4 away tickets for 4 people in your network then all 4 should get loyalty points. Which isn't how it reads

Quote
For tickets purchased or additional requests by season ticket holders, 15 points will be awarded for a home game and 10 points for an away fixture. These points will be awarded per order, not per ticket.

I'm sure that will be cleared up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 10:45:06
I suspect that's a technical limitation unless they manually adjust everyone's loyalty points.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 11:21:04
sounds like we didnt get the ticketing overhaul we were promised over the summer, still at least we have a club ey.  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 11:27:38
Quote from: Nemo
I suspect that's a technical limitation unless they manually adjust everyone's loyalty points.

Surely it's just a Ticketmaster configuration. Bit of a cock up on TM part if not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 11:30:13
Oh, so could drag on and on.

Will removal of the winding up order open up our credit lines? I believe that was a reason inputting into the lack of card facilities for season tickets.

I think that presentation of a winding up petition was/is the issue. If the petition is dismissed, that gets rid of that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 11:34:39
Surely it's just a Ticketmaster configuration. Bit of a cock up on TM part if not.

a big % of clubs use TM, inc some premier league big boys. id imagine you get whatever spec you pay for.

using a PSF for loyalty points is a new low, even LP didnt do that  :doh:
theyll be STH who did 46 games last year on holiday for cardiff given its pre-season who may not get a ticket for Harrogate as a result. laughable



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Gazza on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 11:35:18
That's the question I've asked the club, see what they say I hope so


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 12:46:53
Another poor stunt from the club this.

We had a season ticket last season and went to nearly all of the aways... some people attended every game, home/away in every single competition, yet they need to purchase a ticket for an overpriced meaningless friendly game?

Surely a better way to allocate these tickets would be through the loyalty points from away games last season (as what else do we have to base it off)? Then throughout the season, for other games with small allocations, you actually make use of the loyalty points.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 12:49:48
That's good to see, BUT...

surely if you buy 4 away tickets for 4 people in your network then all 4 should get loyalty points. Which isn't how it reads

I'm sure that will be cleared up.

Apparently they've said each individual will get 10 points in this instance. Think the article was trying to explain that the purchaser wouldn't get 4x points but could have been worded more clearly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 13:02:38
if that's what they meant then that's perfect


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 13:06:53
Another poor stunt from the club this.

We had a season ticket last season and went to nearly all of the aways... some people attended every game, home/away in every single competition, yet they need to purchase a ticket for an overpriced meaningless friendly game?

Surely a better way to allocate these tickets would be through the loyalty points from away games last season (as what else do we have to base it off)? Then throughout the season, for other games with small allocations, you actually make use of the loyalty points.

I do actually agree with you here, I think what would have gone down really well with fans would have been for the club to have made a big deal about how well the club was supported last season and rewarding those loyal fans with the opportunity to get priority tickets and merchandise etc. So those fans that had Season Tickets last season and went to all the away games get the most points down to fans that went to 1 or 2 games.

I think whilst of course the club want to get fans to go to the Cardiff game, using it as a way to guarantee loyalty points isn't right.

The club had a chance to implement the loyalty points system and make a huge deal about last season's support, getting fans onside before the season starts, and I think they have missed a bit of a trick here. It almost seems like this Cardiff friendly thing seemed like the easiest thing to do. Just seems like not a lot of thought went into it. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 13:07:59
Court case should be concluded today hopefully so that is good. My understanding is that if it goes in ABLES favour we pay the £100k if it goes in our favour then Mr Curran is £100k out of pocket and really annoyed with Mr Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 14:09:24
Another poor stunt from the club this.

We had a season ticket last season and went to nearly all of the aways... some people attended every game, home/away in every single competition, yet they need to purchase a ticket for an overpriced meaningless friendly game?

Surely a better way to allocate these tickets would be through the loyalty points from away games last season (as what else do we have to base it off)? Then throughout the season, for other games with small allocations, you actually make use of the loyalty points.

Agreed

If I can’t get a ticket for the first game because I can’t make it to a meaningless lunchtime friendly then I won’t be amused.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 14:19:42
Agreed

If I can’t get a ticket for the first game because I can’t make it to a meaningless lunchtime friendly then I won’t be amused.


hopefully they correct this stupid decision, if not i reckon buying a £2 kids ticket with no intention of using could remedy the problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 15:39:49
Another poor stunt from the club this.

We had a season ticket last season and went to nearly all of the aways... some people attended every game, home/away in every single competition, yet they need to purchase a ticket for an overpriced meaningless friendly game?

Surely a better way to allocate these tickets would be through the loyalty points from away games last season (as what else do we have to base it off)? Then throughout the season, for other games with small allocations, you actually make use of the loyalty points.

Agree. You have to reset the points at some point but binning them all off at the end of the season seems stupid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 15:40:31
Court case should be concluded today hopefully so that is good. My understanding is that if it goes in ABLES favour we pay the £100k if it goes in our favour then Mr Curran is £100k out of pocket and really annoyed with Mr Power

any update on this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 15:42:46
They have always been binned at the end of the season - or should have been.

Last season the points system as dysfunctional. Can't use last seasons points as inconsistencies and plain errors make them useless.

Not sure I agree with a nothing friendly being used though. But I'm not going to Harrogate (or probably Cardiff) so it doesn't much matter directly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 16:08:49
this is the sort of scenario id envisage a supporters trust should be all over, ideally.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 16:10:49
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20264288.swindon-towns-100-000-loan-able-was-sham-court-hears/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR18rk4lXE2Vn2IMMWjXBxBLCPL3DxuUpfVXDszwWUHOEk04iSALklzcXZk


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 16:13:31
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20264288.swindon-towns-100-000-loan-able-was-sham-court-hears/?ref=fbshr&fbclid=IwAR18rk4lXE2Vn2IMMWjXBxBLCPL3DxuUpfVXDszwWUHOEk04iSALklzcXZk

Can you paste the whole piece, for some reason I can't see any adver posts in full now and when i try to log in the site takes me in a loop..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 16:18:13
An agreement that saw an American company “loan” Swindon Town £100,000 was a “sham” and was actually a “deposit” to purchase the club, a court has heard.

Swindon Town FC is currently defending itself from a winding-up petition brought by AC Sports Wiltshire LLC, also known as Able.

It claims the club should have repaid the money, agreed by former chairman Lee Power in November 2019.

Mr Power had agreed the £100,000 loan to reimburse himself after he was forced to pay staff wages, Adam Deacock, on behalf of the petitioner, had said.

But in a virtual hearing at the Insolvency and Companies Court in London on July 7, representatives for the club hit back and claimed that the deal was a “sham” and actually a “non-refundable deposit” to place a bid to buy the club.

Deputy ICC Judge Stephen Baister will consider whether the matter is a “triable issue”, and hand down his ruling in the next ten to fourteen days.

Earlier, he had been told by Mr Deacock that the loan, signed off by former STFC chief executive Steve Anderson at Mr Power’s behest, was to pay staff salaries and other overhead costs, but must not be used to pay other creditors.

But in February the following year, when the loan was due for repayment, Mr Power called Bill Keravuori, Able’s boss, to say that the club’s financial position had worsened and that he couldn’t repay the money.

“It was agreed the money could be treated as a deposit against a purchase,” Mr Deacock told the court. “It was also agreed it wouldn’t be deemed repayable in the event [Able] pulled out, but it wasn’t agreed if the company couldn’t or wouldn’t sell, it could keep the money.”

Clem Morfuni was to later buy the club, despite Mr Power wanting to sell to Able, he added.

Representing the club in the four-hour hearing, David Eaton Turner said that the agreement wasn’t followed to the letter as the loan had been used to repay Mr Power for the payment of the ages, who would be considered a creditor.

He continued: “We are faced with the situation a loan supposedly made to the company was adopted by Mr Power for his own purposes. It came in and went straight out again for purposes we don’t know of.”

Mr Eaton Turner then moved onto a statement made by Mr Keravuori, in which he said “preliminary due diligence” began over purchasing the club in November 2019, and was agreed in early December. The club paid £100,000 to progress this.

“We aren’t talking about a different £100,000,” he said.

“This casts serious doubt about what is being said about the loan or the deposit. This is the clearest evidence of what the £100,000 went to.”

But he added that the court was “putting an impossibly high onus on the company” to provide documentation, considering Mr Morfuni and his team “found the cupboards bare” when they took over.

Judge Baister is not deciding on the petition at this stage, simply whether “sufficient doubts” have been raised by the club.

Mr Eaton Turner claimed in his submissions that a winding-up petition was not suitable for this dispute, adding there was improper motive and that the purpose of the petition was “to get control of the club”.

But Mr Deacock hit back: “This is the only way we’re ever going to be paid.

“[£890,000] has been pumped into the company to pay everyone bar us.

“The fact of the matter is they have picked and chosen who they wish to pay.

“We as creditors wish to secure our rights, because we have an undisputed debt.”




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 16:42:08
Another poor stunt from the club this.

We had a season ticket last season and went to nearly all of the aways... some people attended every game, home/away in every single competition, yet they need to purchase a ticket for an overpriced meaningless friendly game?

Surely a better way to allocate these tickets would be through the loyalty points from away games last season (as what else do we have to base it off)? Then throughout the season, for other games with small allocations, you actually make use of the loyalty points.

Went to every home and away game last season.
Busting a gut to go to Harrogate as return from holiday the same day.

No intention of going to a friendly but hey ho this is the way they want to treat their loyal supporters that make a 160 mile round trip to every home game.
Sure I get there are winners and losers in every decision but this decision wrong on all accounts from the Club.

Slowly starting to get fucked off with the Club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bedford Red on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 16:54:31

But in February the following year, when the loan was due for repayment, Mr Power called Bill Keravuori, Able’s boss, to say that the club’s financial position had worsened and that he couldn’t repay the money.

“It was agreed the money could be treated as a deposit against a purchase,” Mr Deacock told the court. “It was also agreed it wouldn’t be deemed repayable in the event [Able] pulled out, but it wasn’t agreed if the company couldn’t or wouldn’t sell, it could keep the money.”

Clem Morfuni was to later buy the club, despite Mr Power wanting to sell to Able, he added.

Mr Eaton Turner then moved onto a statement made by Mr Keravuori, in which he said “preliminary due diligence” began over purchasing the club in November 2019, and was agreed in early December. The club paid £100,000 to progress this.


http://www.ablecompany.us/team/

I hadn't heard of Bill Keravouri before, so did a search and found this. Why on earth would he be interested in purchasing Swindon Town (apologies if i've missed info on this before)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:10:10
Went to every home and away game last season.
Busting a gut to go to Harrogate as return from holiday the same day.

No intention of going to a friendly but hey ho this is the way they want to treat their loyal supporters that make a 160 mile round trip to every home game.
Sure I get there are winners and losers in every decision but this decision wrong on all accounts from the Club.

Slowly starting to get fucked off with the Club.

I don't see any issue with this, it's a new season and they are trying to encourage as many fans to go as possible.  It my not be helpful to you but the club needs to think about the wider fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:10:44
http://www.ablecompany.us/team/

I hadn't heard of Bill Keravouri before, so did a search and found this. Why on earth would he be interested in purchasing Swindon Town (apologies if i've missed info on this before)

He was the random American fella from Boston that was linked and supposed to be 'Able' I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:19:13
I don't see any issue with this, it's a new season and they are trying to encourage as many fans to go as possible.  It my not be helpful to you but the club needs to think about the wider fans.


Deffo a troll.

People like DoB spent £1000s following Town all over the country, battle through all sorts of conditions. Its just basic courtesy to look after them and very easily done- they have everyone's purchase history.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:19:35
AC Sports Wiltshire LLC, also known as Able.......................I wonder what AC could stand for


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RJack on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:25:32
AC Sports Wiltshire LLC, also known as Able.......................I wonder what AC could stand for
Actual Cunts 🤭


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cheltred on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:27:44
An agreement that saw an American company “loan” Swindon Town £100,000 was a “sham” and was actually a “deposit” to purchase the club, a court has heard.

Swindon Town FC is currently defending itself from a winding-up petition brought by AC Sports Wiltshire LLC, also known as Able.

It claims the club should have repaid the money, agreed by former chairman Lee Power in November 2019.

Mr Power had agreed the £100,000 loan to reimburse himself after he was forced to pay staff wages, Adam Deacock, on behalf of the petitioner, had said.

But in a virtual hearing at the Insolvency and Companies Court in London on July 7, representatives for the club hit back and claimed that the deal was a “sham” and actually a “non-refundable deposit” to place a bid to buy the club.

Deputy ICC Judge Stephen Baister will consider whether the matter is a “triable issue”, and hand down his ruling in the next ten to fourteen days.

Earlier, he had been told by Mr Deacock that the loan, signed off by former STFC chief executive Steve Anderson at Mr Power’s behest, was to pay staff salaries and other overhead costs, but must not be used to pay other creditors.

But in February the following year, when the loan was due for repayment, Mr Power called Bill Keravuori, Able’s boss, to say that the club’s financial position had worsened and that he couldn’t repay the money.

“It was agreed the money could be treated as a deposit against a purchase,” Mr Deacock told the court. “It was also agreed it wouldn’t be deemed repayable in the event [Able] pulled out, but it wasn’t agreed if the company couldn’t or wouldn’t sell, it could keep the money.”

Clem Morfuni was to later buy the club, despite Mr Power wanting to sell to Able, he added.

Representing the club in the four-hour hearing, David Eaton Turner said that the agreement wasn’t followed to the letter as the loan had been used to repay Mr Power for the payment of the ages, who would be considered a creditor.

He continued: “We are faced with the situation a loan supposedly made to the company was adopted by Mr Power for his own purposes. It came in and went straight out again for purposes we don’t know of.”

Mr Eaton Turner then moved onto a statement made by Mr Keravuori, in which he said “preliminary due diligence” began over purchasing the club in November 2019, and was agreed in early December. The club paid £100,000 to progress this.

“We aren’t talking about a different £100,000,” he said.

“This casts serious doubt about what is being said about the loan or the deposit. This is the clearest evidence of what the £100,000 went to.”

But he added that the court was “putting an impossibly high onus on the company” to provide documentation, considering Mr Morfuni and his team “found the cupboards bare” when they took over.

Judge Baister is not deciding on the petition at this stage, simply whether “sufficient doubts” have been raised by the club.

Mr Eaton Turner claimed in his submissions that a winding-up petition was not suitable for this dispute, adding there was improper motive and that the purpose of the petition was “to get control of the club”.

But Mr Deacock hit back: “This is the only way we’re ever going to be paid.

“[£890,000] has been pumped into the company to pay everyone bar us.

“The fact of the matter is they have picked and chosen who they wish to pay.

“We as creditors wish to secure our rights, because we have an undisputed debt.”



If, as they claim, they have the money, why not just pay it and move on?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:42:39
If, as they claim, they have the money, why not just pay it and move on?

Agreed, no idea why they would fight a case for what looks like a very dodgy £100k payment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 17:45:48
I don't see any issue with this, it's a new season and they are trying to encourage as many fans to go as possible.  It my not be helpful to you but the club needs to think about the wider fans.

Yes stfc manc. There’s no issue at all is there. It’s very fair isn’t it? Let’s ignore the ones that did 18 hour long days to get barrow last season, and Tranmere on a Tuesday night, on the one opportunity where we can actually recognise and reward their loyalty.

Instead, let’s do this great idea where we have a massive cash grab and tell people pay £15 for yourself to be in the raffle to get the Harrogate tickets. That’s what this is, you’re paying for a raffle ticket for a Harrogate ticket.

Very fair!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 21:09:09
Cheers Tans for posting, only just caught up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, July 7, 2022, 21:30:10

Deffo a troll.

People like DoB spent £1000s following Town all over the country, battle through all sorts of conditions. Its just basic courtesy to look after them and very easily done- they have everyone's purchase history.

I disagree with you and I'm a troll? I'm sure the vast majority of people who go to Barrow or up and down the country will go to the friendly anyway.  It's not ideal for DoB but he is just one person, I'm trying to give a bit of perspective.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Friday, July 8, 2022, 06:41:57
Did anyone see the article in the adver about town being in the top 10 investible clubs in the country?

I only read 2 paragraphs because of the adver paywall


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Friday, July 8, 2022, 07:08:13
Did anyone see the article in the adver about town being in the top 10 investible clubs in the country?

I only read 2 paragraphs because of the adver paywall
Yeah I saw that, no doubt people will be demanding to know why we aren't receiving said investment if that's the case soon enough. 😬


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, July 8, 2022, 08:04:41
I remember Macanthony said the same as well. I would love us to stabilize then have someone come in and take us to the next big level


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 8, 2022, 08:29:41
I remember Macanthony said the same as well. I would love us to stabilize then have someone come in and take us to the next big level
Looking at Crawley's recent sale those sort of football investors are still out there if the club is marketed well enough and the owners WANT to sell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 8, 2022, 08:52:38
Looking at Crawley's recent sale those sort of football investors are still out there if the club is marketed well enough and the owners WANT to sell.

Jesus can you imagine if we sold to an investment vehicle like Wagmi? (Crawley's owners) There is enough open questions with our current owners but these guys are next level with their NFTs etc! (I still don't really get NFTs but that's not for this discussion)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 8, 2022, 08:56:04
Yes the meltdown would be glorious!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 8, 2022, 09:06:10
I remember Macanthony said the same as well. I would love us to stabilize then have someone come in and take us to the next big level

If we did 50% of the fan base would then start moaning that the owner wouldn't then put the cash in to take us to the next level (whilst also moaning profusely that tickets and burgers had gone up!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:26:00
hopefully they correct this stupid decision, if not i reckon buying a £2 kids ticket with no intention of using could remedy the problem.


Looks like they are pressing ahead with this, i had 1,010 points last night (i.e. they could still see who to prioritize) … 260 now.

Of course the happy clappers will continue to blow smoke up the new regimes arse, but the cold facts are the record to date is:

- begged to waive ST refunds
- rinsed for Man City (and fed lies about we cant offer discount to STHs, when other clubs did)
- rinsed for replica kits labelled as in stock, which werent in stock and many people are still waiting for
- announcing match day prices and then changing their minds as they see room to rinse fans some more; i understand its only the concessions they wont hike as much due to the uproar
- held to ransom to attend a PSF for priority to a league game (a benefit of a ST is priority to all games, this goes against that).


 :badmood:



 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:28:07

Looks like they are pressing ahead with this, i had 1,010 points last night (i.e. they could still see who to prioritize) … 260 now.

Of course the happy clappers will continue to blow smoke up the new regimes arse, but the cold facts are the record to date is:

- begged to waive ST refunds
- rinsed for Man City (and fed lies about we cant offer discount to STHs, when other clubs did)
- rinsed for replica kits labelled as in stock, which werent in stock and many people are still waiting for
- announcing match day prices and then changing their minds as they see room to rinse fans some more; i understand its only the concessions they wont hike as much due to the uproar
- held to ransom to attend a PSF for priority to a league game (a benefit of a ST is priority to all games, this goes against that).


 :badmood:



 


A very good post. I think that the honeymoon period is well & truly over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:29:47
Can we have a haters thread? Getting fed up of reading the same recycled moaning posts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:31:42
Can we have a haters thread? Getting fed up of reading the same recycled moaning posts.

or just click ignore and bury your head further into that sweet sand


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:32:58
or just click ignore and bury your head further into that sweet sand

Because it's easier for me to ignore one thread containing your apathy towards anything STFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:39:22

A very good post. I think that the honeymoon period is well & truly over.

But clem saved us!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:42:16
Because it's easier for me to ignore one thread containing your apathy towards anything STFC

Do you not think he has a point at all? If not you might be the very definition of a happy clapper.

What constitutes a valid complaint to you people? I'm genuinely not sure what exactly is a complaint that wouldn't be treated with absolute apathy by a section of our fan base.

Might be about time for the Clem walking in and shitting on your floor analogy to rear its head again or whatever it was.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:46:23
STFC is a club and a business that was on it's knees not too long ago, or have you conveniently forgotten that. The club is on the up as far as I'm concerned. I don't agree with everything, the pre season ticket issue being one of them, but the pitchfork waving reaction from some is ridiculous.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:48:21
STFC is a club and a business that was on it's knees not too long ago, or have you conveniently forgotten that. The club is on the up as far as I'm concerned. I don't agree with everything, the pre season ticket issue being one of them, but the pitchfork waving reaction from some is ridiculous.

Careful 4D, i'm sure someone will be along soon to aim the 'at least we have a club' jibe at you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:53:09
I wonder if those moaning about "loyalty" have a season ticket?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:54:29
STFC is a club and a business that was on it's knees not too long ago, or have you conveniently forgotten that. The club is on the up as far as I'm concerned. I don't agree with everything, the pre season ticket issue being one of them, but the pitchfork waving reaction from some is ridiculous.

All of TMPM's complaints are completely valid, yet their just met with total contempt and condescending mocking because you can't possibly complain about anything or that makes you not thankful we're not in the position we were previously.

Classic example of where the happy clapper tag comes from.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:54:58
I wonder if those moaning about "loyalty" have a season ticket?

I wouldn't have opened that can of worms personally. I suspect most if not all do if I am honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:55:16
Careful 4D, i'm sure someone will be along soon to aim the 'at least we have a club' jibe at you.

I mean, he basically said it in a rephrased way, didn't he?

STFC is a club and a business that was on it's knees not too long ago = We still have a club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:56:13
I wonder if those moaning about "loyalty" have a season ticket?

Yes I do, even though I know we can’t make every home game.

I’m not sure I will make that mistake again


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:57:16
STFC is a club and a business that was on it's knees not too long ago, or have you conveniently forgotten that.

nope, thats why i continue to plough my cash into the club.

its also exactly why i wont sit by silently whilst shady goings on are going on in plain sight.

1 further example on top of Zavs first class flights to Asia, the stadium safety guy who made a huge fuss about standing in a 1/4 century old stand where theres never been an issue. now that same bloke happens to own a company that sells safe standing, a cynic would say he has a conflict of interest and that same cash were ploughing in will eventually end up in his own pocket.

https://2020seat.co.uk/









Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:57:38
Just seems to me that some want to bash away at any given opportunity. I'm not a happy clapper, just been going for 33 years and seen all the ups and downs on and off the pitch. The new regime on the whole are a breath of fresh air to me. But let the moaners moan regardless, there's a new thread for it now too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:57:56
I wonder if those moaning about "loyalty" have a season ticket?

STH and 20+ away games inc Barrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:58:28
I wonder if those moaning about "loyalty" have a season ticket?

Yeh. You?

Spent ridiculous amounts of money following them up and down the country nearly every week last season also.

It stinks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:58:40
I realise that this is the internet and therefore all arguments must be conducted in bad faith, but there's a huge amount of straw manning going on here.

Nobody that I've seen has said that the club have got every decision right and are beyond reproach in all areas.

Nobody that I've seen has said that they'd rather have Power back.

People clearly have opinions between those two poles and that is completely fine. People not agreeing with your exact perspective on everything is totally normal. Let's discuss the points rather than attacking each other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 10:59:34
If you've been called a happy clapper in your time as a Swindon fan because you've decided to mock someone for making a complaint, even though you had absolutely no retort to the complaint at all or even attempted to debate it because you just wanted to shut it down, then you should probably do some reading. Its really not a healthy way to live and I hope its just limited to supporting Swindon.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-toxic-positivity-5093958


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:00:33
Just seems to me that some want to bash away at any given opportunity. I'm not a happy clapper, just been going for 33 years and seen all the ups and downs on and off the pitch. The new regime on the whole are a breath of fresh air to me. But let the moaners moan regardless, there's a new thread for it now too.

We had a thread. This one. It was on topic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:00:55
So when the club/owners get something wrong, we should just sit here quietly and accept any bollocks and be happy that “we still have a club”.

I’m happy to admit they have done more good than bad, but need to be challenged on the poor decisions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:01:10
nope, thats why i continue to plough my cash into the club.

its also exactly why i wont sit by silently whilst shady goings on are going on in plain sight.

1 further example on top of Zavs first class flights to Asia, the stadium safety guy who made a huge fuss about standing in a 1/4 century old stand where theres never been an issue. now that same bloke happens to own a company that sells safe standing, a cynic would say he has a conflict of interest and that same cash were ploughing in will eventually end up in his own pocket.

https://2020seat.co.uk/









Oh dear. Good ol Noel Jeffs. Same old Swindon aye?. Another fucking wrong un.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:04:33
So when the club/owners get something wrong, we should just sit here quietly and accept any bollocks and be happy that “we still have a club”.

I’m happy to admit they have done more good than bad, but need to be challenged on the poor decisions.

Exactly this. Or take it to a different thread so we can have a thread that isn't anything but the overwhelming positivity we crave, irrespective if that lives in reality or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:05:16
There's balance to be had in every argument


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:06:26
There's balance to be had in every argument

The issue is more when people don't actually want to enter in to the argument though. A lot of those known as happy clappers simply want to shut it down because they won't want to even hear it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:07:23
There's balance to be had in every argument

How long have you been posting on here?  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:08:32
Gets you thinking, and this may have been said days weeks even months ago now.
Did Clem solely buy the club or has he got Austin, Stamding or A N Other shadow behind the scenes using his (their) money.
Glad we still have a club, gald we have a great fan base that turn up week in week out. Sceptical that something isn't quite as it seems? Too right I am.
Very little ambition being shown, can we expect to be also rans in the basement division or are we waiting to do business as the window is closing to grab a bargain?
Open and transparent, more like slightly ajar and very clouded.
Still, I ordered 3 shirts for the kids last week not had confirmation of dispatch as yet but they're all available and in stock


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:08:49
How long have you been posting on here?  :D

Ohhhhhh look at me! I’m 4D and I’ve got over 18,000 posts

Freak 😂. Keep posting Jack 👍.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:10:10
The issue is more when people don't actually want to enter in to the argument though. A lot of those known as happy clappers simply want to shut it down because they won't want to even hear it.

No, it's simply because it's the same moaning topic time and time again, ad nauseum. Never said I don't agree with some points, just a little tedious seeing it repeated in various threads.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:11:26
No, it's simply because it's the same moaning topic time and time again, ad nauseum. Never said I don't agree with some points, just a little tedious seeing it repeated in various threads.

This is literally a thread about the new board though. You wouldn't expect to come here and see us debating formations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:16:17
Imagine if you ordered an England kit from JD Sports which they said was in stock and then there was a delay because it wasn't in stock and a lack of communication or refund or anything and someone turned around and said "Yeah but they were in financial difficulties this time last year, so mustn't grumble."  :headhurts: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:16:35
Ohhhhhh look at me! I’m 4D and I’ve got over 18,000 posts

Freak 😂. Keep posting Jack 👍.

You would make a fucking good limbo dancer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:17:43
Bringing it back to the loyalty points issue....

All ST holders start on the same points
not everyone ever wants to go to friendly's that is why the club only open 1 stand

Easiest thing to do is put the Harrogate tickets on sale to ST holders, one per ST holder.
If you get one then your one of the lucky few if not then better luck next time.

Later in the season the club can use loyalty points if there are a low number of tickets for away games, so those that do attend a high number of away games gets the opportunity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:20:32
They can wipe last seasons points at the half way point of this season or something. Its a fairly easy fix.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:42:39
Bringing it back to the loyalty points issue....

All ST holders start on the same points
not everyone ever wants to go to friendly's that is why the club only open 1 stand

Easiest thing to do is put the Harrogate tickets on sale to ST holders, one per ST holder.
If you get one then your one of the lucky few if not then better luck next time.

Later in the season the club can use loyalty points if there are a low number of tickets for away games, so those that do attend a high number of away games gets the opportunity.



A common sense approach, and what those spending hundreds on ST signed up for.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:46:46
Looking it up, Harrogate's away end looks like it holds about 700. For a near 10 hour round trip from Swindon, am I wrong to think we might not sell that out? I know we had some huge away followings towards the back end of last season, but that's not an easy day out.

Edit: looked up the fixture in April, we took 600 (think that was the full allocation).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfctownenda on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:49:23
Whilst I think some of the points raised are very valid and need answering which I think Jan said the Trust have asked and should hopefully send through the notes/answers soon.  I feel a degree more comfortable than most, I worked with Rob Angus for over 9 years and he is a thoroughly decent leader and guy who has loved and supported Swindon for over 30 years as do all his family so whilst he is Chief Exec I feel confident we are in safe hands despite the other more questionable people in the background.  If Rob ever left then alarm bells would be ringing as that would mean something is definitely wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 11:57:40
You would make a fucking good limbo dancer.

Would say you’d make a fucking good lovely bloke, but you already are.

Keep fucking crying and running to protect when something anti club is said 4D.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 12:08:31
Whilst I think some of the points raised are very valid and need answering which I think Jan said the Trust have asked and should hopefully send through the notes/answers soon.  I feel a degree more comfortable than most, I worked with Rob Angus for over 9 years and he is a thoroughly decent leader and guy who has loved and supported Swindon for over 30 years as do all his family so whilst he is Chief Exec I feel confident we are in safe hands despite the other more questionable people in the background.  If Rob ever left then alarm bells would be ringing as that would mean something is definitely wrong.

Yeah the Rob Angus thing is one thing that probably stops my head exploding to be honest. Still some stuff that stinks though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 8, 2022, 12:23:58
Not sure what the fuss is about Harrogate tickets.
We aren’t going to sell out our full allocation anyway.

People are not going to be queuing up to travel 5 hours to watch our team of kids with an inexperienced cheap options manager get hammered, are they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 12:24:43
Nice one admin 😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, July 8, 2022, 13:05:24
Nice one admin 😂

Thanks you lovely bloke


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 8, 2022, 13:06:31
Not sure what the fuss is about Harrogate tickets.
We aren’t going to sell out our full allocation anyway.

People are not going to be queuing up to travel 5 hours to watch our team of kids with an inexperienced cheap options manager get hammered, are they?

We'll probably sell it out, but season ticket holders will all definitely get one and so should people that are quick. If you dither you'll probably miss out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, July 8, 2022, 13:08:42
Thanks you lovely bloke

👏😂😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, July 8, 2022, 13:20:44
We'll probably sell it out, but season ticket holders will all definitely get one and so should people that are quick. If you dither you'll probably miss out.

I'm considering getting home end tickets for this if necessary...on the basis that we'll never get to visit this ground if we don't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, July 8, 2022, 13:41:22
We'll probably sell it out, but season ticket holders will all definitely get one and so should people that are quick. If you dither you'll probably miss out.
Snooze and you lose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, July 8, 2022, 13:52:29
Did anyone see the article in the adver about town being in the top 10 investible clubs in the country?

I only read 2 paragraphs because of the adver paywall

If you are reading on an iPhone click on the 3 dots and select Open In Browser and it will bypass the firewall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 8, 2022, 14:46:19
If you are reading on an iPhone click on the 3 dots and select Open In Browser and it will bypass the firewall.

And on Android go incognito


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, July 9, 2022, 06:46:46
Of you could subscribe (approx £3.50 per month if you do it for a year) and help keep the Adver going...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 9, 2022, 06:58:13
Of you could subscribe (approx £3.50 per month if you do it for a year) and help keep the Adver going...


Why the heck would you want to give money to that Oxford based media company? The way they pulled the plug on their Swindon office was disgusting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Saturday, July 9, 2022, 09:44:48
Of you could subscribe (approx £3.50 per month if you do it for a year) and help keep the Adver going...


Why would I subscribe to a paper that the majority of news is about a town I don't live in?? Why would I pay to subscribe to a paper that has one or two articles at best thats worth the read when they take most of the news of here any way?

Oh and when I pay for petrol to take me and my son to watch football, or pay on ifollow to watch games we can't make, why would I spend more money to read re hashed new stories?

Thankyou for your advice, but I will kindly turn it down. I will look forward to the same advice being offered to others when somebody else on this forum asks for the same.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 21, 2022, 11:23:45
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/town-and-nationwide-renew-ties/

Nationwide renew Don Rogers stand sponsorship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, July 21, 2022, 12:03:20
Of you could subscribe (approx £3.50 per month if you do it for a year) and help keep the Adver going...


the adver is a load of shit. you don't get journalists any more. the "reporters" job is to look through court case listings, Road traffic incidents and roadworks. the days of imaginative content and relevant stories are gone. you get you regular click bait snow forecast- even though its in Scotland.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 21, 2022, 12:12:32
Yeah, fuck the adver. Oxford based and full of clickbait shite.

Also posting addresses of lads who have been arrested at football just for being arrested and not even found guilty of anything. I'm not sure how that is even legal. It certainly shouldn't be.

Hope the cunts go out of business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 08:36:09
Anyone know if the club shop open today before the Cardiff game? Fed up trying to receive a response about a purchase I made 6 weeks ago that hasn’t arrived 😡


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 11:00:27
Puma make kits for lots of clubs within the UK. Always wondered why you can’t buy shirts for League clubs like Swindon direct from their own website? As long as the club receives its cut of the sale surely it’s a win win for everyone? Allow the club shop to hold stock for the walk in customers and online sales of other merchandise without being overwhelmed by vast online pre-orders that they obviously are not geared up for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 18:23:20
I haven't that much direct exposure to the new regime, being a bit far away, but did get over at Christmas and visited the shop.  I was extremely surprised at the way it still seemed like a couple of well meaning parents pulling together the school jumble sale.  The poor chap serving me spent several minutes trying to get a price for a top before just negotiating one with me.

I am not sure Puma are at all likely to hold pre-prepared stock for each club in the lower echelons.  They only take mass pre-orders to make it worth their while.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 25, 2022, 06:43:16
For those moaning about their kits not arriving etc, it’s happening to half of the football league.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62256634


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:57:40
For those moaning about their kits not arriving etc, it’s happening to half of the football league.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62256634

The club has all the new shirts. All currently boxed and in DRS concourse. Just need unboxing and the orders sending out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 25, 2022, 10:11:25
Yeah, the club shop is shut early part of this week to let them pack and ship I think

edit:

🗣️Just a heads up…

Our Club Shop will be closed on Tuesday (26 July) as our dedicated team process our latest pre-orders.

So next weeks opening times look like this:

Monday – CLOSED
Tuesday – CLOSED
Wednesday – CLOSED
Thursday – 10am-4pm
Friday – 10am-4pm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 25, 2022, 12:12:06
Hmm, going back to my post then, can someone get their Mum or wife, or stay at home husband, to organise the team to help run the jumble sale?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, July 25, 2022, 13:51:15
I just delete my cookies every ten views(or whatever it is) on the adver site


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 25, 2022, 19:27:30
Hmm, going back to my post then, can someone get their Mum or wife, or stay at home husband, to organise the team to help run the jumble sale?

Indeed, things like this come across incredibly tinpot. The club effectively saying they can't afford to employ a few temps (and pay them) just to process some bloody shirts efficiently...

"Dedicated team", I'm sure they'd rather be running the Club Shop and helping to sell more merch than closing up for three days to be a picker/packer? To me that isn't what the term dedicated team means. Otherwise the club shop would still be open as they would be DEDICATED to running that. Passing extra work over to existing staff does not suddenly make it a dedicated process; whilst the staff might be dedicated in endeavouring to do it - I bet some of them are a bit miffed!

I'm now pissed off because I've said dedicated/dedication more times than Cheryl Baker & Roy Castle!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 06:47:32
Quite a few more club departures of club staff working behind the scenes. All down to cost cutting I’m informed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:05:50
Quite a few more club departures of club staff working behind the scenes. All down to cost cutting I’m informed.

Who has gone then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:08:24
Quite a few more club departures of club staff working behind the scenes. All down to cost cutting I’m informed.

All part of the plan and has been for a number of months, this is first chance that the club has had since the takeover to assess the existing structure, realign and implement the strucutre that it wants to run with moving forward.  Any business that is taken over goes through this.  Unlike previous times, this is nothing to worry about and should have been expected at some point.  Hopefully once they get their preferred structure in place we will start to see improvements in the day to day issues that everyone has been experiencing with the back office stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:15:09
It's been in the pipeline a while, not sure it's down to soley cost cutting though. They will employ more people in the right roles. To be fair we can see only a few posts above that people don't think the club is doing all it can off the pitch so hopefully they get the right staff in


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:20:44
Sandro obviously holds Brentford in high regard and as a model we are attempting to follow.

Interesting to learn that Brentford have also been tapping into a relatively untouched market with Bees Indonesia.

Maybe the Pakistan link isn’t quite as dodgy as some think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:53:18
Sandro obviously holds Brentford in high regard and as a model we are attempting to follow.

Er, isn't there a bit of a difference there?

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-matthew-benham-premier-league-24251175
Quote
Two years after Benham's initial investment, the childhood fan had invested approximately £20m, with fans holding an extraordinary meeting to ask Benham to buy the club outright, which he did.

Benham has now invested approximately £100m into the running of the club over the years, though promotion to the Premier League will earn the club - not Benham - a pot in the region of £300m, through parachute payments and television money.

Sure the approach can be similar.
But can you do the same thing as Brentford, but on a comparatively shoestring budget?
Will it at least be enough to get us into a solid league 1 position while we work out how to finance the next step?

I guess we'll see in a few years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:56:12
Er, isn't there a bit of a difference there?

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-matthew-benham-premier-league-24251175
Sure the approach can be similar.
But can you do the same thing as Brentford, but on a comparatively shoestring budget?

No.

Happy to help


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:56:35
Hopefully once they get their preferred structure in place we will start to see improvements in the day to day issues that everyone has been experiencing with the back office stuff.

So more staff, but in different areas?

Hopefully a few customer facing ones.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 07:57:05
No.

Happy to help

It did help. Thanks Dave


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, 12:56:50
So more staff, but in different areas?

Hopefully a few customer facing ones.

Yep, and most probably yes..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 07:44:06
Not the Top 20 predicting us to finish 16th. Below Sutton, and below Barrow. Fairly sobering.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 07:45:00
As I said elsewhere there is absolutely zero chance of us finishing in the bottom half. That would be the worst finish in our history


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 07:58:27
Also let's not forget where we predicted last season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 08:12:21
Not the Top 20 predicting us to finish 16th. Below Sutton, and below Barrow. Fairly sobering.

Bet the Oxford supporting presenter had them down for promotion though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 09:30:11
As I said elsewhere there is absolutely zero chance of us finishing in the bottom half. That would be the worst finish in our history
Twice we have finished in the bottom half, 13th in 2018/19 under Brown and our worst finish ever was 17th in 1983/84 under Beamish and we had crowds of under 2k then too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 10:27:44
George Elek is usually very positive about us, despite his Oxford allegiance. Was a big Garner fan. The prediction was based on the departures of known quality being replaced in the main with wildcards. The wildcards could of course pay off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 10:53:43
Wildcards, I like that term better than cheap punts. Going to steal it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 11:00:51
George Elek is usually very positive about us, despite his Oxford allegiance. Was a big Garner fan. The prediction was based on the departures of known quality being replaced in the main with wildcards. The wildcards could of course pay off.

Yeah, we've signed a load of PL2 players who they couldn't possibly know how they'll get on, yet Crawley signing 18 year old Balagizi on loan from Liverpool is a positive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 11:23:00
Crawley signing 18 year old Balagizi on loan from Liverpool is a positive.
Creepy are covering his entire £5k per week wage I hear.

Not sure if there is a FFP wage cap in L2 this season but they doubled Telfords Newport wage and apparently gave Conroy a huge increase on his Swindon wage too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 12:04:14
Wildcards, I like that term better than cheap punts. Going to steal it

(https://c.tenor.com/WMLaZSUC_ogAAAAC/wildcard-bitches.gif)


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 14:28:37
Not the Top 20 predicting us to finish 16th. Below Sutton, and below Barrow. Fairly sobering.
D3D4 have us in the play offs, so where we'll finish seems to be a case of close your eyes and throw a dart at the table.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lardy Cake on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 12:58:19
I am starting to think the Town has been taken over by a Russian Oligarch. First we have had “Glasnost “ giving the fans “maximum openness and transparency” and now “Perestroika” where we seem to have a “reconstruction of our economic system”. The appointment of our management team and indeed our new players all seem like cheap options to me. Yes I know  we still have debts to pay and we owe Clem big time but I really don’t see the money we do have being spent with a view of going for promotion. I’m old school so playing fatigued players and following the stats models ain’t my thing I’m afraid. I hope I am wrong but I am starting to doubt our owners intentions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 13:01:57
I totally understand why people would have concerns and end of the day we all want what is best for the club. I hope Clem sees out his plan for us and sees through the redevelopment etc and doesn't think it's not worth the hassle as we will be back to square one before we know it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 13:22:02
I am starting to think the Town has been taken over by a Russian Oligarch. First we have had “Glasnost “ giving the fans “maximum openness and transparency” and now “Perestroika” where we seem to have a “reconstruction of our economic system”. The appointment of our management team and indeed our new players all seem like cheap options to me. Yes I know  we still have debts to pay and we owe Clem big time but I really don’t see the money we do have being spent with a view of going for promotion. I’m old school so playing fatigued players and following the stats models ain’t my thing I’m afraid. I hope I am wrong but I am starting to doubt our owners intentions.

I would agree- both managerial appointment and players this year have been cheap options. We should be challenging for autos this season and the fans expect no less.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 13:26:20
I am starting to think the Town has been taken over by a Russian Oligarch. First we have had “Glasnost “ giving the fans “maximum openness and transparency” and now “Perestroika” where we seem to have a “reconstruction of our economic system”. The appointment of our management team and indeed our new players all seem like cheap options to me. Yes I know  we still have debts to pay and we owe Clem big time but I really don’t see the money we do have being spent with a view of going for promotion. I’m old school so playing fatigued players and following the stats models ain’t my thing I’m afraid. I hope I am wrong but I am starting to doubt our owners intentions.

Wasn't it Power that had a five year plan though?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 13:44:25
I would agree- both managerial appointment and players this year have been cheap options. We should be challenging for autos this season and the fans expect no less.

Playing Devil's advocate, this could well be what sustainability looks like. Also we do have money to find for remaining debts and the ground purchase (that's gone quiet hasn't it?).

Clem isn't loaded, mot in football terms.

I'm a bit underwhelmed at the moment, going to take a few results to show me otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 14:10:03
Even in full sustainability mode you would expect a team with 10k crowds to be able to finance an automatic promotion challenging squad in Div 4.  Even allowing for a couple of teams who are "funded" well beyond their means.

The broader model sits well with me, but only if you fund it sufficiently to achieve both long term growth in player sales on top of a squad to get out of this division.  I hope we haven't put the latter at risk.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 14:18:16
Even in full sustainability mode you would expect a team with 10k crowds to be able to finance an automatic promotion challenging squad in Div 4.  Even allowing for a couple of teams who are "funded" well beyond their means

Yes you would. Are we there yet though?

You would think we would improve over last year though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lardy Cake on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 14:53:33
I have been trying to put expectation aside and just look at the happenings since the play offs. Both Bens chose to leave a long term initiative. I don’t think we will ever know the reasons why ! A number of players also left for various reasons, I understand some we’re not offered new contracts and some we are told we’re offered very good terms but we ended up losing the core of the team that did so well last season. It’s my view that you need continuity at all levels within a football club to achieve improvement. I know this has already been discussed on here but whether it’s a Power five year plan or a Clem long term initiative neither seemed to work/will work with so much change going on. This seems to be the Swindon way so it’s no wonder some of us are getting disgruntled even if it’s only the first week of the new season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:00:47
BREAK: A judge has said a winding-up petition into
@Official_STFC
 should be dismissed.

Judge Stephen Baister ruled that the club were entitled to properly test Able's case that they should have paid back £100,000, something they couldn't do under a winding-up petition.

But...

Able have been granted permission to appeal and another firm, Centreplate UK, who are also owed money by the club have applied to take over the petition.

The case will be listed for the next available date in ten days’ time, where the judge will rule on whether to allow the substitution.

Meanwhile, he ordered Able to pay 75 per cent of the club’s legal costs.

That application will be decided at some point after 10 days.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20595473.swindon-town-fc-winding-up-petition-dismissed-judge-rules/

Power is really trying here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:05:46
BREAK: A judge has said a winding-up petition into
@Official_STFC
 should be dismissed.

Judge Stephen Baister ruled that the club were entitled to properly test Able's case that they should have paid back £100,000, something they couldn't do under a winding-up petition.

But...

Able have been granted permission to appeal and another firm, Centreplate UK, who are also owed money by the club have applied to take over the petition.

The case will be listed for the next available date in ten days’ time, where the judge will rule on whether to allow the substitution.

Meanwhile, he ordered Able to pay 75 per cent of the club’s legal costs.

That application will be decided at some point after 10 days.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20595473.swindon-town-fc-winding-up-petition-dismissed-judge-rules/

Power is really trying here.

Seems quite telling to me that the judge has dismissed it after all these trial dates. Was Centreplate the deal which Jed did or was this another Power one? Catering deal for 10 years or so....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:06:55
That sounds promising for the club. I thought the Centreplate (old catering company from Jed's wonder deal) issue was resolved mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:09:29
No surprise in relation to the debt claimed by 'Able'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:11:53
BREAK: A judge has said a winding-up petition into
@Official_STFC
 should be dismissed.

Judge Stephen Baister ruled that the club were entitled to properly test Able's case that they should have paid back £100,000, something they couldn't do under a winding-up petition.

But...

Able have been granted permission to appeal and another firm, Centreplate UK, who are also owed money by the club have applied to take over the petition.

The case will be listed for the next available date in ten days’ time, where the judge will rule on whether to allow the substitution.

Meanwhile, he ordered Able to pay 75 per cent of the club’s legal costs.

That application will be decided at some point after 10 days.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20595473.swindon-town-fc-winding-up-petition-dismissed-judge-rules/

Power is really trying here.

So Centreplate are having a go at this winding up malarkey now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:26:15
Centerplate, it's Centerplate (Adver)

Yup. Looks like it.

Centerplate presumably pissed off that they were ousted some time into the 10 year Jed deal  (or not
paid a severance. or.)

Nice to see Able get stiffed on costs though. Unlucky Curran/Power ..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:30:50
Wasn't it Power that had a five year plan though?

Why, yes indeed he did now you mention it.

I think the thrust of it was allegedly, ‘to get to the championship using everyone else’s money try not to pay anything back and earn as much out of his ‘investment’ at Swindon Town as was possible until found out’. Largely succeeded by the look of things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:37:46
This was from the June Advisory minutes:
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/stfc-advisory-board-june-minutes-now-available/


Quote
CM noted EP’s apologies and provided the legal update. Discussions in respect of the debts with Centerplate continue with the aim to find an amicable settlement. DPDS debt now settled but legal costs remain in dispute. Alleged debts in respect of Jewell and Mercedes continue to be discussed. CM confirmed the latest re the Able contested debt and their winding up petition which is now adjourned to July ‘22.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:42:17
Centerplate, it's Centerplate (Adver)

Yup. Looks like it.

Centerplate presumably pissed off that they were ousted some time into the 10 year Jed deal  (or not
paid a severance. or.)

Nice to see Able get stiffed on costs though. Unlucky Curran/Power ..

Do the club have to pick up the remaining 25%? It probably won't be a huge sum of money but given he's a hot shot lawyer aren't EP's fees going to be a fair amount given all these bloody court cases which are just dragging on and on?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 15:46:46
Do the club have to pick up the remaining 25%? It probably won't be a huge sum of money but given he's a hot shot lawyer aren't EP's fees going to be a fair amount given all these bloody court cases which are just dragging on and on?
Nah fuck it the club should be spending whatever they can on bills and wages because we get 10k a week


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 16:00:24
Nah fuck it the club should be spending whatever they can on bills and wages because we get 10k a week

I was going to pick up on that earlier today but couldn't be bothered getting into it. Without going all 'we're lucky to have a club blah blah' I listened to the Clem and Rob interview on the Tom Broadbent thingy and Rob explained that there is about 10 years of mismanagement of the club that they have to sort out and these bloody winding up claims are just a further time and money distraction that we really want to put behind us.

We also don't get 10k a week, we don't play at home every week you silly goose :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 16:55:44
I would hazard a guess that there is in fact over 30 years of mis-management.  Financially speaking, there was a significant reset on the sale by Black - most of the historical debt was written off at that point.

The club should absolutely be testing each of the debts handed to it by Power through the Courts if necessary.  It would be financial suicide to just pay everything claimed.  The flip to that is that we can't just get out of paying debts because Power was running the shop.  Hopefully enough of this is simply people trying it on though, like Able seems to have been.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 17:15:30
Payment should perhaps be made when the legal and commercial merits strongly suggest that it should be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 17:39:38
Do the club have to pick up the remaining 25%? It probably won't be a huge sum of money but given he's a hot shot lawyer aren't EP's fees going to be a fair amount given all these bloody court cases which are just dragging on and on?

Yup.

I'm sure JBZ can confirm, but that's pretty normal when costs are awarded.

I did learn that from the wagatha body Christie news wankathon mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 21:06:31


I did learn that from the wagatha body Christie news wankathon mind

Speaking of that, how fucking thick is Rebecca Vardy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 21:19:47
Do the club have to pick up the remaining 25%? It probably won't be a huge sum of money but given he's a hot shot lawyer aren't EP's fees going to be a fair amount given all these bloody court cases which are just dragging on and on?

I’m guessing here. Solicitor £250-300 per hr, Lawyer £500-750 per hr, Barrister easily £1k per hour +.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 21:39:06
I’m guessing here. Solicitor £250-300 per hr, Lawyer £500-750 per hr, Barrister easily £1k per hour +.

There won't have been a third layer of legal professional in between the solicitor with conduct of the matter and counsel.

Solicitors' hourly rates usually depend on seniority and location (hourly rates are higher in London than they are in Trowbridge for example).

The solicitor is probably on an hourly rate around £500 per hour plus VAT.  A global fee is usually agreed with counsel for discrete pieces of work and attendances at hearings.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:23:33
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20595713.swindon-town-winding-up-petition-details-emerge-second-debt/

So this centreplate crowd are asking for 312,000 from us and are trying to substitute themselves into the winding-up petition. We have 10 days to submit our reasons as to why that shouldn't happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:30:52
No mention of what the outstanding debt is for😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:42:30
No mention of what the outstanding debt is for😀

Well, they're the catering/events supplier (or were up until this summer) so it'll be something along the lines of that.

I suspect that there will be some level of dispute around the 18 months or so of various Covid restrictions where there would have been very low level of use of any of the facilities and who bears the "loss" of that. The fact that it suggests around £300k of the £316k claimed is disputed suggests we're not just talking a few bar tabs here and there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:48:27
Well, they're the catering/events supplier (or were up until this summer) so it'll be something along the lines of that.

I suspect that there will be some level of dispute around the 18 months or so of various Covid restrictions where there would have been very low level of use of any of the facilities and who bears the "loss" of that. The fact that it suggests around £300k of the £316k claimed is disputed suggests we're not just talking a few bar tabs here and there.

Cheers Nemo


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:49:00
Well, they're the catering/events supplier (or were up until this summer) so it'll be something along the lines of that.

I suspect that there will be some level of dispute around the 18 months or so of various Covid restrictions where there would have been very low level of use of any of the facilities and who bears the "loss" of that. The fact that it suggests around £300k of the £316k claimed is disputed suggests we're not just talking a few bar tabs here and there.

Was that the 10 year catering contract that was signed under Jed and we managed to get out of?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:53:40
Was that the 10 year catering contract that was signed under Jed and we managed to get out of?
I understand it is exactly that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:53:55
Was that the 10 year catering contract that was signed under Jed and we managed to get out of?

Yep, that's the one. An enduring gift from the stench that was Jed.

I'm really reassured to have a proper business head as CEO at last, and a thorough lancing of all these boils. They all need to be worked through, and most of them vigorously contested as the mismanagement of previous regimes is exposed, but within another year or so, we should be free of them and be able to focus on future development.

That's quite something at our club. Almost a first in my time supporting it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 08:54:35
Was that the 10 year catering contract that was signed under Jed and we managed to get out of?

I think it just ran its course, Jed sold it in 2013 or so so think it was up this summer. It's possible that we cut it short by a year or two but it certainly ran for most of its lifetime.

That was announced at the time as a £13m contract, suggesting a value of about £1.3m a season, so the amounts involved here are relatively small.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 09:01:22
Well, they're the catering/events supplier (or were up until this summer) so it'll be something along the lines of that.

I suspect that there will be some level of dispute around the 18 months or so of various Covid restrictions where there would have been very low level of use of any of the facilities and who bears the "loss" of that. The fact that it suggests around £300k of the £316k claimed is disputed suggests we're not just talking a few bar tabs here and there.

Ah that would make sense then. Wouldn't such a loss due to something like a pandemic be covered by insurance?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 12:26:43
Given the contract was for them to pay us in return for being the sole provider of matchday food and beverage (concourse areas only I believe, we still ran the Corporate), then any debt we owe them would likely be contentious.  Why would we owe them money when it was them paying us in the deal?  That would make me assume this comes down to some sort of loss of revenue claim, which would also support why we would be trying to negotiate a number in settlement rather than just paying up.  The contract likely has some grey area wording around early termination and/or didn't  cover what would happen with a closed stadium in definitive terms.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 12:31:25
Unless someone is ITK and has had sight of the contractual documents and related papers, who knows what is going on.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 15:24:47
Unless someone is ITK and has had sight of the contractual documents and related papers, who knows what is going on.



Just raise costs of the pasties and sausage rolls by 50p a piece.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 19:10:47
Did they actually sell pasties and sausage rolls? Other than the odd Bovril or coffee (mostly to keep my hands warm) I don't think I've bought anything from club catering for more than 10 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 19:19:17
Did they actually sell pasties and sausage rolls? Other than the odd Bovril or coffee (mostly to keep my hands warm) I don't think I've bought anything from club catering for more than 10 years.
Yep, they were pretty good last year too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Thursday, August 4, 2022, 07:37:49
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20595713.swindon-town-winding-up-petition-details-emerge-second-debt/?fbclid=IwAR2baea6LIR3iRFHO08Pg9Fo9vtsQ5TLYJi3objoz_-aNWl20qVF6pVY06E&ref=suit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, August 4, 2022, 07:57:41
Just raise costs of the pasties and sausage rolls by 50p a piece.

After trying to raise ticket prices by 10-20%, raising food prices by 25% is probably not going to go down well. The club is already being accused of rinsing the fans at every opportunity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, August 4, 2022, 08:19:34
After trying to raise ticket prices by 10-20%, raising food prices by 25% is probably not going to go down well. The club is already being accused of rinsing the fans at every opportunity.

Bad news but the real world...im in the food game and prices have gone up 15% minimum.....Of course i do understand that there may be a high starting (selling) point in this case....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, August 4, 2022, 09:02:37
Bad news but the real world...im in the food game and prices have gone up 15% minimum.....Of course i do understand that there may be a high starting (selling) point in this case....

I get it, and i don't disagree, just pointing out the reaction to previous price hikes.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, August 4, 2022, 09:04:56
Flash has a kebab van.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 11:09:26
Club advertising for an analyst, requiring a degree, offering £18k p.a. (Slightly less than the real living wage)

It’s market rates, but it’s still not a good look. Particularly for a club which wants to differentiate itself as being data led


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 11:11:19
Club advertising for an analyst, requiring a degree, offering £18k p.a. (Slightly less than the real living wage)

It’s market rates, but it’s still not a good look. Particularly for a club which wants to differentiate itself as being data led

You'd think paying £10k more or something here might actually make a significant difference, relative to £10k more on the playing budget, right? On paper, it seems like a reasonably efficient way to spend the budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 11:55:41
Club advertising for an analyst, requiring a degree, offering £18k p.a. (Slightly less than the real living wage)

It’s market rates, but it’s still not a good look. Particularly for a club which wants to differentiate itself as being data led

Honestly, a dream job for me - and something I would have probably gone into if data analytics in football had really been a thing when I was still at education age.

…but…I couldn’t live on that wage as an adult (could anyone?) That’s only 500 more than I started on at Nationwide as a degreeless 18 year old in 2003!!

Just as a pointless stat - our head analyst was renting a room from my MIL last season. Dunno if he’s there again for this season…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 12:19:47
Presumably a football industry issue then. The wages go to players*. The back office on a shoestring. Football finances. Yay.

I can see if you have just left uni back to home it could be a good foot in the door, but only a temporary one.

*well, some.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 12:28:50
These roles as have been said are perfect for recent graduates or people changing direction in their job, but the issue is no continuity in the backroom staff as as soon as they get a years commercial experience they leave for a better paid role and then we have to start again with new people and this slow down progress off the pitch in my view. I think we should be looking to provide a career path for backroom staff where they can develop and remain with the club longer than a year etc through career development opportunities and associated increased salaries. If we dont we will be in a continual cycle of the club being short staffed and not being able progress off the pitch at a decent pace. I know we dont have endless money but maybe this could be looked at in terms of progression plans for staff to try and keep our good people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 13:16:04
No offence to anyone who does take it, well, maybe quite a lot.  There is next to zero chance I'd be using the Analysis from someone I am only paying 18k a year to.  That's barely even enough to get a Data Admin person, someone who just knows how to compile and store some raw data on a spreadsheet .  At a push they may know how to create a Pivot Table.

Then to require specialisation in football data, and expect any sort of meaningful output?  It's a least half the pay of entry level of a proper Data Analyst.  Surely this is just a paper sorter role?

Interestingly, the point about people moving on quick is rather proven by the fact it seems we lost our Head First Team Analyst last month to Aston Villa - who went on to become an Emerging Talent Scout.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 13:26:15
Employing bargain basement “analysts” (on that salary, it’s likely to be someone’s first role) and coaches has to be a false economy and it does call into question how genuine our supposed model is. Let’s hope this is just the real analyst’s admin/no 2.  I’d rather have 22 players, a great first team coach and a solid support team, than a squad of 25 with average coaching and a kid with a laptop.  Don’t mean to be downbeat - I think a lot of people are slightly edgy at the moment, so let’s hope we can thump Walsall tonight and get the positive feel back around the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 13:29:29
Employing bargain basement “analysts” (on that salary, more likely someone’s first role) and coaches has to be a false economy and does call into question how genuine the “model” is.

Franchise are paying over double that Salary and a bit more.
Still 9,000 crowds rock up like Saturday which is incredible support at this level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 17:35:39
Not certain where to put this.

Just been speaking to number one sone who trundles off abroad to watch odd games. He was in Italy over the week-end and was watching Spezia versus Como and heard some English guy shouting the odds at the team and sort of recognised him. Son had a short conversation with him and it turns out he was Marc Bircham (ex QPR and Waterford manager) now first team coach with Como. Son mentioned he was a Swindon supporter and MB said that he had heard that the Town was up for sale again!

Well this the rumour site!

Incidentally, Dennis Wise is CEO at Como and that horrible little Gattuso is manager and they got stuffed 5-1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 17:40:11
Not certain where to put this.

Just been speaking to number one sone who trundles off abroad to watch odd games. He was in Italy over the week-end and was watching Spezia versus Como and heard some English guy shouting the odds at the team and sort of recognised him. Son had a short conversation with him and it turns out he was Marc Bircham (ex QPR and Waterford manager) now first team coach with Como. Son mentioned he was a Swindon supporter and MB said that he had heard that the Town was up for sale again!

Well this the rumour site!

Incidentally, Dennis Wise is CEO at Como and that horrible little Gattuso is manager and they got stuffed 5-1.
Not heard that it is but really wouldn't shock me if he did sell the club. Has taken some very unwarranted stick the last few months. Some warranted but getting abuse and being told you are no better than Lee Power constantly could make you wonder what the point is


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 17:40:18
They just signed Cesc Fabregas also


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 18:37:59
Not heard that it is but really wouldn't shock me if he did sell the club. Has taken some very unwarranted stick the last few months. Some warranted but getting abuse and being told you are no better than Lee Power constantly could make you wonder what the point is

I thought he had more about him than that.

You always get such moron fans at any club. Ask Bristol city, or Peterborough or...

If he sells because of that, he didn't get football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:42:43
How to get your million pounds back from Power and possibly make a sizeable chunk more on the way. Swindon is one hell of a long way from Sydney.
If he does sell he would leave the club in a far better state than he found it.
Not many owners of STFC can say that.


Can't blame him for moving on if he does.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:55:10
I thought he had more about him than that.

You always get such moron fans at any club. Ask Bristol city, or Peterborough or...

If he sells because of that, he didn't get football.
As i said it's my thoughts not saying they are his. I get football and would still fuck off tbh


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:57:55
fair enough


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 10, 2022, 12:22:08
Noticed a Hart on the bench last night. Relation to Adam?

Any chance for one season without a Harry Agombar or Taylor Curran type?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 10, 2022, 12:23:25
Noticed a Hart on the bench last night. Relation to Adam?

Any chance for one season without a Harry Agombar or Taylor Curran type?

Been covered before - son of (Sonny). By all accounts a proper prospect though. Hopefully more Billy Bodin than Taylor Curran. Plus he's legitimately academy age (16) rather than in his early 20s and avoiding getting a real job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 6, 2022, 16:43:29
Looks like the club have appointed a new head of marketing who has a bit of football experience. Good start

https://www.instagram.com/mc.wotsee/?hl=en


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 6, 2022, 16:49:56
yeah, that's good

is that what Danny Lee was most recently doing before he left?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 6, 2022, 17:06:38
yeah, that's good

is that what Danny Lee was most recently doing before he left?
It was yeah


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, September 6, 2022, 18:04:48
His missus is fit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jilted John on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:55:31
His missus is fit.
If you can see past her wonky eye, she obviously can't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 09:09:00
If you can see past her wonky eye, she obviously can't.
:no:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 9, 2022, 16:57:33
Just about to listen to this:

How is data actually used to scout players? | Tifo Football Podcast Special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm7kc72QVfg

Should prove interesting, well hopefully.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 08:46:22
Take this with a pinch of salt, but thought I’d pass it on…… have heard that Rob Angus may be the next to leave.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 08:56:12
Leave?

Push or jump?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:07:22
Leave?

Push or jump?

Jump, from what I’ve heard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:11:30
Interesting


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:11:50
Jump, from what I’ve heard.
Interesting. Has your source proven to be reliable in the past? Any further info on why?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:19:15
I heard similar rumours about RA too but dismissed it as just rumours but if others have heard it too then maybe theres something in it, if he leaves that doesn't bode well for me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:22:58
I heard similar rumours about RA too but dismissed it as just rumours but if others have heard it too then maybe theres something in it, if he leaves that doesn't bode well for me.

That would certainly warrant a club statement if true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:26:21
Interesting. Has your source proven to be reliable in the past? Any further info on why?

He’s been right and wrong about things, the same way they all are. No info as to why though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:41:22
Clem is in town isn't he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:42:13
Intriguing.

Big leap of faith to leave a stable, well paid job at Nationwide to come to STFC in the first place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:48:30
I heard similar rumours about RA too but dismissed it as just rumours but if others have heard it too then maybe theres something in it, if he leaves that doesn't bode well for me.

Still might be rumours, after all they spread quicker than an outback bushfire in a strong breeze. The truth takes longer to materialise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:04:14
Not saying it's happening but it really wouldn't surprise me. Don't think he has enjoyed it at all , it's a job i would hate as a fan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:19:33
Very worrying if true. RA is the safety net in the boardroom from a supporters perspective.

His only downside is a lack of 'football' experience.

Have to question why he would be looking to leave this early into what many would consider to be a dream job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:36:17
Just spoke with someone i know who is close to the club and they said they have not heard it's the case and no hint of Rob leaving


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:57:07
Fans Forum on the 28th, plenty of opportunity to ask RA a question or two.

No point in fretting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 11:12:01
Fans Forum on the 28th, plenty of opportunity to ask RA a question or two.

No point in fretting.

Advisory board meeting on Tuesday as well so may be one for Trust or OSC to raise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 11:17:53
Advisory board meeting on Tuesday as well so may be one for Trust or OSC to raise.
Nah can't be raising these questions every time a rumour gets posted


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 11:45:59
If Angus leaves then concerning really doesn't even begin to cover it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 12:03:45
If Angus leaves then concerning really doesn't even begin to cover it.

Lest we forget that apparently to a recent rumour from one TEF member via a third party friend of a friend etc, that Clem is looking to sell the club, what happened to that one?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 12:21:12
I think it could, rightly, be perceived as very worrying from our perspective assuming it's true but as DMC said, probably a really hard job for a fan.

Could he also be walking away rather than jumping? Making way for someone with more experience, we've all seen many remarks about the lack of footballing experience in the boardroom, perhaps a case of recognising that himself.

Purely speculating of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 12:32:10
The person I spoke to would know and said there is no truth in it. Not worth worrying about and creating scenarios about something not likely to be true.

They have a Q&A at the end of the month too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 13:17:10
In fairness.

He could be looking to leave because we’ve found someone more qualified for the job…but that’s too positive.

Same people saying how awful it would be if Angus left are the same people who were moaning last week we didn’t have enough proven ‘football men’ running the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 13:55:26
Maybe business & pleasure just don't mix well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:02:59
Hmmm.

it's quite a different role. so maybe it plain isn't for him

But it has been reassuring to have a fan in there given the slight inability to shake off prior in the background 

(subject to being true of course)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:23:38
If he does leave i wouldn't blame him. There is certainly no joy in the role i can imagine at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:33:24
Wouldn't be particularly arsed, as long as the reasons for leaving aren't linked to any dodgy stuff happening behind the scenes.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:37:25
Wouldn't be particularly arsed, as long as the reasons for leaving aren't linked to any dodgy stuff happening behind the scenes.



Yeah, I think we all feel like that!

But we'd probably never know anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: oxonrobin on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:45:45
Hopefully this one is firmly in the 80% camp. Wouldn’t be a good look for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:50:42
Hopefully this one is firmly in the 80% camp. Wouldn’t be a good look for the club.
Agree it wouldn't look great but you can see already that if it does happen that there will be those who insist it must mean bad stuff is happening


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 16:13:51
Rumour isnt true


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 16:16:52
There's rumours...and there's rumours...that's quite a damaging one. Needs to be well and truly stamped out by the Club/Rob I would say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, September 12, 2022, 07:28:50
I think it just has been (above) which is a relief. I hope it’s not ruining his love of the club…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, September 12, 2022, 07:54:08
I think it just has been (above) which is a relief. I hope it’s not ruining his love of the club…

Whilst for many of us, being a CEO of the club you love and support might seem like a dream job, but on the flip side I imagine it has huge added pressure and stress to make it a success. Whilst I don't think I have ever seen a bad word said about Rob Angus, I know he has a twitter account and you have to hope that he doesn't read/take notice of a lot of what is said, for his own well being. It's definitely not a job I could do and fair fucks to the man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 12, 2022, 08:53:12
Whilst for many of us, being a CEO of the club you love and support might seem like a dream job, but on the flip side I imagine it has huge added pressure and stress to make it a success. Whilst I don't think I have ever seen a bad word said about Rob Angus, I know he has a twitter account and you have to hope that he doesn't read/take notice of a lot of what is said, for his own well being. It's definitely not a job I could do and fair fucks to the man.

Whilst nothing may have ben explicitly said, much had been implied even on here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, September 12, 2022, 09:04:33
If Clem really is the real deal, as a lot of people say, then we have nothing to worry about.

The very fact a large section of supporters are clinging onto the fact our chief exec used to be trust chair and using it as some sort of safety blanket, perhaps implies Clem doesn't yet have 100% trust in the fan base.

RA won't be here forever. We need to move on eventually.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 12, 2022, 09:32:36
If Clem really is the real deal, as a lot of people say, then we have nothing to worry about.

The very fact a large section of supporters are clinging onto the fact our chief exec used to be trust chair and using it as some sort of safety blanket, perhaps implies Clem doesn't yet have 100% trust in the fan base.

RA won't be here forever. We need to move on eventually.
And as much as i like the man , rightly so. He will be the first to tell us that the club has been disgustingly mismanaged for the last 20+ years, why would a fan base trust him based on that?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, September 12, 2022, 09:38:06
And as much as i like the man , rightly so. He will be the first to tell us that the club has been disgustingly mismanaged for the last 20+ years, why would a fan base trust him based on that?


What choice do we have? we can't just appoint somebody as Chief Exec from the Trust every time the position comes available.

There'll come a point where RA is gone and that safety blanket doesn't exist.





Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 12, 2022, 09:58:07
What choice do we have? we can't just appoint somebody as Chief Exec from the Trust every time the position comes available.

There'll come a point where RA is gone and that safety blanket doesn't exist.




I agree with you but just saying i get where the mistrust comes from and why fans seem to want answers to every rumour they hear


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 12, 2022, 11:01:07
Whilst for many of us, being a CEO of the club you love and support might seem like a dream job, but on the flip side I imagine it has huge added pressure and stress to make it a success. Whilst I don't think I have ever seen a bad word said about Rob Angus, I know he has a twitter account and you have to hope that he doesn't read/take notice of a lot of what is said, for his own well being. It's definitely not a job I could do and fair fucks to the man.

Fuck being ceo of a company that relies on people like me to survive


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 12, 2022, 11:11:48
Fuck being ceo of a company that relies on people like me to survive
Hahahah exactly that. Imagine being a fan then all of a sudden on match day all you hear is the burgers are shit the poster in the toilet is out of date or the queue was too long


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, September 12, 2022, 11:18:53
Couldn’t think of anything worse converting a hobby and fun into a full time job. Notwithstanding this is STFC.
Credit to RA for taking the plunge.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 12, 2022, 14:38:36
IF RA left under any sort of cloud you can guarantee one thing for sure. He will be NDA’d up to his eyeballs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 12, 2022, 14:52:33
IF RA left under any sort of cloud you can guarantee one thing for sure. He will be NDA’d up to his eyeballs.

I'd like to think that he would speak up in the event of any malicious mismanagement for example, regardless of NDA. All part of the so called safety blanket for the fans I guess.

I suspect that everything is all reasonably well & good behind the scenes though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 12, 2022, 15:14:41
IF RA left under any sort of cloud you can guarantee one thing for sure. He will be NDA’d up to his eyeballs.

Only if he signed it, he would be due his notice and whatever was in his contract, its only if they go beyond that would he potentially get into NDA territory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 12, 2022, 15:19:44
Wouldn't all club employees have an NDA element in their contracts of employment anyway?

That would prevent all sorts of leaks & rumours from circulating.  :zipped:
Oh..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, September 12, 2022, 16:08:14
Imagine having to deal with the opinions of Facebook posters as a full time job.

Gross oversimplification but still.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, September 12, 2022, 16:10:38
I think the job is definitely ageing RA. He is a top chap and sad to see him stressed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 12, 2022, 17:12:41
Only if he signed it, he would be due his notice and whatever was in his contract, its only if they go beyond that would he potentially get into NDA territory.

Don’t you think that they would be built into his COE in the first place? I’m not referring to anything salacious about leaving and I realise that I should read and reread my OP to save any misinterpretation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, September 12, 2022, 17:44:38
Imagine having to deal with the opinions of Facebook posters as a full time job.

Gross oversimplification but still.

Gross oversimplification indeed.

If he is thinking of leaving, can bet your bottom dollar its got fuck all to do with facebook.

for what its worth, he got a really good reception in the away end at walsall in may.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 12, 2022, 17:50:48
I like Rob, not least because my Mum made him go fetch ketchup at the Stevenage game for my son, which he did without blinking.  "mother, that's the CE!" - "so what, we needed ketchup, they should have it on the table".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, September 12, 2022, 20:34:57
If he is thinking of leaving, can bet your bottom dollar its got fuck all to do with facebook.

I didn't say anything about him leaving though  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 08:11:42
I am hoping that this is not true, he has the club at his heart and becoming the CEO of a football club is a massive jump from his previous job at Nationwide.

Football clubs are an entity in themselves and no amount of training could prepar you if you have never done the job before, a real on the job training, straight into the cauldron, especially when you are following on from the shitshow previously at the club.

Maybe he feels he has bitten off more than he can chew? I hope that if he has concerns then he will work through it, its not like there is a training course in "how to be a CEO at a football club". Its a massive job and carries a lot of stress.

Fingers crossed he can work through any doubts he may be having and soldier on to better times.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 08:16:53
I hope that if he has concerns then he will work through it, its not like there is a training course in "how to be a CEO at a football club".

You'd think so, wouldn't you? And yet, if there's demand, there's always someone out there who'll create something - https://www.ucfb.ac.uk/your-degree/executive-education-courses/ceo-of-a-sports-organisation/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 08:27:23
You'd think so, wouldn't you? And yet, if there's demand, there's always someone out there who'll create something - https://www.ucfb.ac.uk/your-degree/executive-education-courses/ceo-of-a-sports-organisation/
Interesting, who'd have thunk it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 21:40:15
I see Chris Kiely is listed as a director in the programme


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 21:52:13
I see Chris Kiely is listed as a director in the programme
‘Professional gambler’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 21:58:46
I see Chris Kiely is listed as a director in the programme
Rich mentioned that name on the pod the other week. Anybody know anything more about him?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:04:06
‘Professional gambler’

As are/were Tony Bloom at Brighton and Matthew Benhamat Brentford.

If he has been appointed as a director you'd expect to see some sort of media release explaining his involvement.

He is not a director as per Companies House, but sometimes they take a while to update. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/xSkt_9PNXqCmgkCT0oCcEb4dSMA/appointments


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:11:19
As are/were Tony Bloom at Brighton and Matthew Benhamat Brentford.

If he has been appointed as a director you'd expect to see some sort of media release explaining his involvement.

He is not a director as per Companies House, but sometimes they take a while to update. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/xSkt_9PNXqCmgkCT0oCcEb4dSMA/appointments
Weren’t they long term fans of said clubs? It will just need some sort of explanation in terms of his reasons for getting involved and role as gambling is a bit of a controversial area especially in football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:14:31
https://twitter.com/swindonshirts/status/1569816496112558081?s=46&t=CETFLoZ3hhcuFmcGEsKnPA


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:19:12
https://twitter.com/swindonshirts/status/1569816496112558081?s=46&t=CETFLoZ3hhcuFmcGEsKnPA
Been deleted. What did it say?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:20:04
This


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:21:02
Been deleted. What did it say?
Was just the old news from 2020 about Axis U.K. ‘collapsing’. Was covered on here at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 22:22:39
Yeah this was just 'restructuring' from memory.

Was Kiely listed as non-exec director in the programme?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 08:33:35
Quote
Swindon Town Supporters Club

The Club have been in contact with us, to say that a number of seats were vandalised in the Town End on Tuesday night.
There have also been issues with fans vandalising the toilets in the Town End for 2 games prior to this.
The Club rightly points out that vandalising the facilities is not the right way to support STFC, and time and money spent on repairing this damage reduces investment in other areas.
The Club has stated that if they do find anyone vandalising Club property, then they will be banned from attending matches.
Please, all of you, be vigilant in supporting the Club in this, and if you witness any further incidents, please report to a steward or STFC directly.
Thanks


Behind SL or not this is unacceptable, on our own patch or elsewhere.  Disgusting behaviour.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 12:57:07
WTF is wrong with people, why would you vandalise your own stadium!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 13:15:36
I'm growing really sick and tired of Town fans. Not you lot obviously.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: adje on Thursday, September 15, 2022, 14:14:11
Gillingham away completely alienated me from some of our fans. Ashamed to be associated with those baying buffoons at the end. Utter neanderthals. A minority thankfully


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 16, 2022, 09:05:49
Bandwagon jumping comment....

Covid lockdown has a lot to answer for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 16, 2022, 09:30:40
I see someone has uploaded a pic of Tuesdays programme and it lists Chris Kiely as a Director alongside Clem. So appears more than just a non-exec role and makes it appear that there will be financial interests. Transparency eh...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 16, 2022, 09:45:20
I see someone has uploaded a pic of Tuesdays programme and it lists Chris Kiely as a Director alongside Clem. So appears more than just a non-exec role and makes it appear that there will be financial interests. Transparency eh...

This Chris Kiely thing needs to be cleared up asap. Completely agree that if the club has stated it's going to be completely open and honest with the fans, 'secretly' adding a director goes against this. I know there is a Q and A at the club on the 28th of this month so I think it needs to be cleared up by then. A more cynical person my imply that the announcement of the third shirt was an attempt at a smokescreen/distraction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kent_Red on Friday, September 16, 2022, 12:29:26
Gillingham away completely alienated me from some of our fans. Ashamed to be associated with those baying buffoons at the end. Utter neanderthals. A minority thankfully

Couldn't agree more - took my 10 year old daughter and the atmosphere created by some was totally unacceptable.  Not sure I'll be repeating that in a hurry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 16, 2022, 13:47:14
Little moan.

Mate got the wrong size shirt at the shop. Didn't try before you buy. Doesn't live in Swindon.

Is the procedure
  1. Ring up and ask to swap it out, they'll say they'll put one aside and he'll swap on return
  2. Get told to buy another one online when available, then bring the wrong one back and get a refund. Oh, and you can't buy it over the phone because they can't do phone sales.

Most peculiar. NO problem for us in town, but poor for out of towners

edit: ah, maybe they don't have the stock


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:04:14
This Chris Kiely thing needs to be cleared up asap. Completely agree that if the club has stated it's going to be completely open and honest with the fans, 'secretly' adding a director goes against this. I know there is a Q and A at the club on the 28th of this month so I think it needs to be cleared up by then. A more cynical person my imply that the announcement of the third shirt was an attempt at a smokescreen/distraction.

Hello all!

I saw that my mentioning of Kiely on a recent episode of LSPOD created a bit of conversation here. I've sort of withdrawn from social media quite a bit over the last few months so I hadn't realised that this was an unanswered aspect of the club set-up nor do I think anything is in any way sinister here.

Chris 'CK' Kiely has been on the scene a little while and is a regular at the CG (including last season). He's not hid away etc. sometimes even high-fiving players post-match and all that.

Kiely, I believe, aspires to achieve things in football akin to what Brentford and Brighton have done. Sandro Di Michele is his friend/colleague from the racing world and that's how he's ended up here. If it goes well, huzzah! If it goes badly then Kiely and Di Michele go back to the drawing board but Swindon Town are left in League 2.

My concern, which has also been raised by various posters on here over the last couple months, has only ever been why has Morfuni et al given so much responsibility to relative football rookies?

The answer to this is probably 'because he's the owner and can do whatever he damned well likes' which is fair enough to a degree but he will be left to answer this if it was to not work out (which is no different to any project/experiment).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:12:37
And I guess the main question would be - what is he bringing to the table?  He seems to have retired from football at a young age and then there is very little in the public domain for anyone to determine anything further.

I would expect someone who is appointed to the Board (as this seems) to have a little bit of fanfare - that's where you get the worry - "why didn't they say anything?".  Also, most people wouldn't have a Scooby who he is or that he has been around for a while.

I kind of get we are trying something different, and you don't want or need Dinosaurs around to carry that through, but, we do seem incredibly raw when it comes to experience at every level of the club (for the positions they hold).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:13:26
He’s an Aussie. Not likely to have a little black book of contacts within UK football.

He’s relying on people knowing more than him.

It may work out. It may not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:16:34
Little moan.

Mate got the wrong size shirt at the shop. Didn't try before you buy. Doesn't live in Swindon.

Is the procedure
  1. Ring up and ask to swap it out, they'll say they'll put one aside and he'll swap on return
  2. Get told to buy another one online when available, then bring the wrong one back and get a refund. Oh, and you can't buy it over the phone because they can't do phone sales.

Most peculiar. NO problem for us in town, but poor for out of towners

edit: ah, maybe they don't have the stock

Last season's black shirt didn't fit properly so I rang emailed the shop & ask if I could go up a size, they said yes & did put one by for me to go & exchange which I did, dunno if that helps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:16:47
Hello all!

I saw that my mentioning of Kiely on a recent episode of LSPOD created a bit of conversation here. I've sort of withdrawn from social media quite a bit over the last few months so I hadn't realised that this was an unanswered aspect of the club set-up nor do I think anything is in any way sinister here.

Chris 'CK' Kiely has been on the scene a little while and is a regular at the CG (including last season). He's not hid away etc. sometimes even high-fiving players post-match and all that.

Kiely, I believe, aspires to achieve things in football akin to what Brentford and Brighton have done. Sandro Di Michele is his friend/colleague from the racing world and that's how he's ended up here. If it goes well, huzzah! If it goes badly then Kiely and Di Michele go back to the drawing board but Swindon Town are left in League 2.

My concern, which has also been raised by various posters on here over the last couple months, has only ever been why has Morfuni et al given so much responsibility to relative football rookies?

The answer to this is probably 'because he's the owner and can do whatever he damned well likes' which is fair enough to a degree but he will be left to answer this if it was to not work out (which is no different to any project/experiment).

Cheers for popping over the parapet Rich. Is the fact that CK hasn't been officially announced by the club just that he's a shy and retiring person and wants to be involved behind the scenes do you think? I assume that Chorley leaving was because of the change of direction to the Brentford/Brighton model presumably directed (and agreed by Clem/RA?) by CK? Is it fair to say Sandro and CK are a package? 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:35:36
Cheers for popping over the parapet Rich. Is the fact that CK hasn't been officially announced by the club just that he's a shy and retiring person and wants to be involved behind the scenes do you think? I assume that Chorley leaving was because of the change of direction to the Brentford/Brighton model presumably directed (and agreed by Clem/RA?) by CK? Is it fair to say Sandro and CK are a package? 

I am confident enough to say Kiely and SDM are definitely a package. SDM is here because of Kiely or at least on his recommendation and that isn't a crime nor do I think it's something the club needs to explain. Although I'd like his 'black book' to be a little more full of contacts... I get the impression that he's been relentlessly networking and learning on the job.

I'd be super-interested in hearing Kiely's vision but rather suspect that if he feels that he's got something within the football data world (or whatever) that competitors don't have then he'd want to keep it under wraps for now.

The upcoming Q&A will hopefully answer many of these questions, especially now Kiely is listed as a Board member (or whatever was mentioned in the programme).

Knowing Swindon Town a very peppy statement will pop up over the coming weeks but I do think there's been a little bit of overthinking on this and I include myself on that front.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:56:14
Last season's black shirt didn't fit properly so I rang emailed the shop & ask if I could go up a size, they said yes & did put one by for me to go & exchange which I did, dunno if that helps.

I mean that's excellent and exactly as it should be.

Not what he was told. But possibly my mate getting the wrong end of the stick in that they can't because they don't have stock. In which case I retract. Dunno though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:57:57
@Rich

That's cool. Do think its a bit odd it wasn't mentioned by the club. But won't lose sleep over it. The club comms has been a bit dysfunctional at times since takeover.  Probably best you don't mention it on the pod again :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, September 16, 2022, 15:02:12
@Rich

That's cool. Do think its a bit odd it wasn't mentioned by the club. But won't lose sleep over it. The club comms has been a bit dysfunctional at times since takeover.  Probably best you don't mention it on the pod again :)

Agreed! Think they went a bit overboard with the O&T line last season so to not disclose info relating to a topic of genuine interest and intrigue for fans then it's only going create the conversations seen on TEF.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: otanswell on Friday, September 16, 2022, 15:07:19
I see our new commercial manager is James Watts
Formerly CM at Newport and Hereford

Fun fact he is also a happy hardcore MC


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 26, 2022, 12:16:40
We have a new sponsor- Hoth Kitchens. Bet they're good at freezers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:09:21
We have a new sponsor- Hoth Kitchens. Bet they're good at freezers.

Tauntauns required for their walk in freezers


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:10:56
Tauntauns required for their walk in freezers

There is of course another County Ground in Tauntaun - perhaps there was some confusion in arranging the sponsorship?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:45:21
There is of course another County Ground in Tauntaun - perhaps there was some confusion in arranging the sponsorship?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tauntaun

??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:46:26
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tauntaun

??

I was rather trying to develop the joke, but never mind...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:53:22
I was rather trying to develop the joke, but never mind...

Should have been the Sith Lord Count Ee'Ground then?

 ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:57:33
I was rather trying to develop the joke, but never mind...
Sorry I under exposed the development.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, September 26, 2022, 14:16:09
Sorry I under exposed the development.

https://youtu.be/rIrz0PtxwPg


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, September 26, 2022, 19:25:46
Got two tickets to the fans forum tomorrow evening if anyone wants. Can’t make it now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 11:09:40
Stupid thing just came into my head, is the CG now just the plain old CG again or is it still the Energy Check County Ground?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 11:43:58
https://www.forbes.com.au/covers/investing/why-winning-sometimes-comes-second/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 12:00:52
https://www.forbes.com.au/covers/investing/why-winning-sometimes-comes-second/
A bit of poetic licence I think...

"Garner looked at the weeds swaying in the breeze on the pitch and said they couldn’t play on it."

and it didn't rain at Scunthorpe...

"Scunthorpe scored and it started raining. Morfuni started to feel like he was bad luck"

Not sure who the 4 rival supporter groups are either. Still an interesting article though...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 12:18:09
Quote
The club had four rival supporters’ clubs who didn’t seem to like each other. He organised a monthly meeting with them to answer any questions and to try to bring them together.

Did we? It's the Supporters Club of Swindea that's the problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 12:21:29
Ha even a feel good post in Australia has fans picking the bones out of it. It's madness these days

Not 4 but there was no way the Trust and Official supporters club got on that well before.   


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 12:46:11
That is a really nice article.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 13:00:55
Ha even a feel good post in Australia has fans picking the bones out of it. It's madness these days


Bloody immigrants coming over here and investing in local communities  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 13:05:29
And yet he still gets occasional pelters. Unless there’s instant success on the pitch he’s a fraud and we’re heading for oblivion.

Football fans, eh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 13:09:12
it's good to get some exposure and a flavour of the shit we were in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 13:12:13
Same age as me  :)
Never pulled a pint?  ???


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 17:45:46
Ha even a feel good post in Australia has fans picking the bones out of it. It's madness these days

Not 4 but there was no way the Trust and Official supporters club got on that well before.   
Well yeah... just making a few observations if that's OK with you... the writer blatantly made several things up when he didn't need to...but let's ignore that shall we?? And to be fair, I did say it was an interesting article...did you read that bit?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 17:51:33
Well yeah... just making a few observations if that's OK with you... the writer blatantly made several things up when he didn't need to...but let's ignore that shall we?? And to be fair, I did say it was an interesting article...did you read that bit?


Genuinely wasn't on about you sorry OST I was referring to the facebook idiots


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 18:05:05
Genuinely wasn't on about you sorry OST I was referring to the facebook idiots
Fair enough mate👍😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 19:34:34
No idea where to put this.

When we replaced our floodlights in 2018, the new ones are LED right?

Just wondering.

With a few clubs trialling early kick off I wonder where the cost saving is expected to come from.

I was suprised how cheap LED are to run. We are probably talking circa £100 or even less if my maths and research is right.

There's obviously no indication Swindon are going down this route.

Surely everything else is pretty much constant in energy terms. Legend's, hospitality, concourse, changing rooms - all have to be lit whatever.

I must be missing something


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 05:01:42
No idea where to put this.

When we replaced our floodlights in 2018, the new ones are LED right?

Just wondering.

With a few clubs trialling early kick off I wonder where the cost saving is expected to come from.

I was suprised how cheap LED are to run. We are probably talking circa £100 or even less if my maths and research is right.

There's obviously no indication Swindon are going down this route.

Surely everything else is pretty much constant in energy terms. Legend's, hospitality, concourse, changing rooms - all have to be lit whatever.

I must be missing something

Well should the club decide to go for early kick offs, that is me done with my ST. I cannot possibly take half a day off without pay on a Saturday. As it is I lose 2 1/2 hours money just to get to a 3pm kick off. Add in the ST. Add in the fuel as I work out of town, would just make it unviable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 05:27:44
I can't see it being commercially viable.   Even just thinking about Corporate tickets, who wants a 3 course sit down meal at 10.00 in the morning?  Not forgetting lost bar sales and harder for away fans to attend.

I think you could watch on Ifollow too (legally) which will lose a few in the ground but may gain a few who can't normally go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 06:04:17
Well should the club decide to go for early kick offs, that is me done with my ST. I cannot possibly take half a day off without pay on a Saturday. As it is I lose 2 1/2 hours money just to get to a 3pm kick off. Add in the ST. Add in the fuel as I work out of town, would just make it unviable.

Yeah I get that. I've not seen anywhere that says Swindon is even thinking about it though.

Just trying to make commercial sense of those that are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 06:57:24
Yeah I get that. I've not seen anywhere that says Swindon is even thinking about it though.

Just trying to make commercial sense of those that are.
That's my point I just can't see how it is for any league club.   Lower down the food chain it's a no brainer though so there inevitably is a tipping point. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 08:41:58
Hearing the debentures should be sorted very soon too which if i am right makes us debt free apart from the interest free FL grant. Some achievement if that is the case


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 09:08:42
If early kick offs were introduced over the winter surely they could start at 1:30 as opposed to midday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 09:15:01
Hearing the debentures should be sorted very soon too which if i am right makes us debt free apart from the interest free FL grant. Some achievement if that is the case
Thats great news and opens up the brighter future of the club long term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lardy Cake on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 09:25:33
Are these the same debentures that Power was charging the club £14,000 a month interest which previous owners charged nothing for ?
We have certainly moved on a long way since those days.  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 11:16:03
Hearing the debentures should be sorted very soon too which if i am right makes us debt free apart from the interest free FL grant. Some achievement if that is the case

It would indeed be good news, but not debt free I doubt, just no long term debts to the external parties identified at the takeover.  I would very much doubt the investment to pay those debts off has been achieved purely through revenue.  Likely we now owe Morfuni directly.  Hopefully those are interest free Directors Loans and remain unsecured.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 11:37:08
Yeah, I guess it's the terms that are important

But it's got to be good Clem/the club have found the money to get rid even if it's turned to other debt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 11:46:22
I can't see it being commercially viable.   Even just thinking about Corporate tickets, who wants a 3 course sit down meal at 10.00 in the morning?  Not forgetting lost bar sales and harder for away fans to attend.

I think you could watch on Ifollow too (legally) which will lose a few in the ground but may gain a few who can't normally go.

Bacon butties before the game with a full meal after would get over the corporate issues.

As for away fans, when most teams are bringing less than 200 that’s not going to make a lot of difference.

Bear in mind that we did this a couple of times last season (Rovers & Port Vale in the playoffs) albeit not being the clubs choice.

For those of us that travel a fair distance it means an early start, but we also get home at a reasonable time on a Saturday night meaning the evening isn’t a write off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 11:47:31
Are these the same debentures that Power was charging the club £14,000 a month interest which previous owners charged nothing for ?
We have certainly moved on a long way since those days.  :)

Yeah, but if the rumours are true he’d sold them on to another party


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 12:29:17
Yeah, I guess it's the terms that are important

But it's got to be good Clem/the club have found the money to get rid even if it's turned to other debt.


Alternatively Clem could have noted what the detailed review of historical accounts has revealed and made a quiet call to Power asking him he wanted the money to settle them placing in his current account or the Fiji Account (for you Ghosts fans out there!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 14:02:05
It would indeed be good news, but not debt free I doubt, just no long term debts to the external parties identified at the takeover.  I would very much doubt the investment to pay those debts off has been achieved purely through revenue.  Likely we now owe Morfuni directly.  Hopefully those are interest free Directors Loans and remain unsecured.
They are interest free and unsecure i think, sure he mentioned it on a call in


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 14:27:13
Yeah I get that. I've not seen anywhere that says Swindon is even thinking about it though.

Just trying to make commercial sense of those that are.

I get that, just bitching about my special case 😁 in advance of the club even thinking about it yet alone putting out the feelers to gauge fans reaction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 18:23:57
So, deposit for CG purchase to be done 31st January. Balance 6 months later.

Presume roof on the Bank is first up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 20:08:12
So, deposit for CG purchase to be done 31st January. Balance 6 months later.

Presume roof on the Bank is first up.

Anything less than a complete demolition and rebuild of Stratton Bank is simply polishing a turd IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 20:33:56
No points deduction from the EFL?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 21:54:02
Biggest outcomes from tonight’s Fans Forum:
- No early kick offs
- No points deduction on the outcome of the EFL investigation
- Debentures will be resolved in the coming weeks
- Deposit on the CG will be paid by 31st January 2023


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 22:24:10
Thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 23:27:09
Anything less than a complete demolition and rebuild of Stratton Bank is simply polishing a turd IMO.
The stated plan is to roof the Bank and build a new Town End, so we’ll have to live with it. It’ll be no different to Pompey’s away end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 23:44:37
I hope the TE stays as a single bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 05:06:07
The stated plan is to roof the Bank and build a new Town End, so we’ll have to live with it. It’ll be no different to Pompey’s away end.

Just makes more sense to me to leave The Town End as it is and use it for away fans and build a decent Stratton Band Stand that would link up with DRS and Arkells.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 05:50:24
Then you’ve got the perennial problem of the residents of Shrivenham Road complaining. Plus the club will own the car park to build the new TE into but I don’t think it owns any land behind the Bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 06:28:52
How good is it that as things stand our main concern is how the development will look.

We are in good hands


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 06:31:06
Biggest outcomes from tonight’s Fans Forum:
- No early kick offs
- No points deduction on the outcome of the EFL investigation
- Debentures will be resolved in the coming weeks
- Deposit on the CG will be paid by 31st January 2023

That is without doubt a positive summary.
Would be just great for our long suffering Supporters to have some sustainable success both on and particularly off the field.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 07:52:32
Just makes more sense to me to leave The Town End as it is and use it for away fans and build a decent Stratton Band Stand that would link up with DRS and Arkells.

I imagine that wouldn't be feasible from a policing perspective, as you'd have the away fans spilling out into the car park at the same time as the people filtering out of the DRS and Arkells.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 07:54:27
Why give the away fans the Town End when it's going to be a new 5k stand? The 2,100 seat bank with roof will suit away fans, get em out the north stand too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 07:58:33
Why give the away fans the Town End when it's going to be a new 5k stand? The 2,100 seat bank with roof will suit away fans, get em out the north stand too.

Is the Town End going to be that big?

I concur. Surely also having all the away supporters in one stand also makes it easier to police as well I would have thought. Having home fans in 3 stands, especially for bigger matches will be superb.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:03:25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-60831964

Just a thought on the costs mentioned. Obviously when these plans were drawn up the cost of 'everything' was significantly lower. I assume that these costs - £1m Stratton Bank, £20m Town End and £1.5m for DRS corporate boxes are going to have to be adjusted. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:14:16
I imagine that wouldn't be feasible from a policing perspective, as you'd have the away fans spilling out into the car park at the same time as the people filtering out of the DRS and Arkells.

How do they get away fans from the Arkells/Bank away from the stadium these days? From the point of view of getting them back to the station there is possible more scope to avoid trouble if they are already in the stand nearest County Road?

Then you’ve got the perennial problem of the residents of Shrivenham Road complaining. Plus the club will own the car park to build the new TE into but I don’t think it owns any land behind the Bank.

I don't have time to search today, but wasn't a stand approved for the Bank end at the same time as the DRS, but never built, if so they could revisit that design which the Council obviously thought mitigated any amenity issues to the residents of Shrivenham Road?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-60831964

Just a thought on the costs mentioned. Obviously when these plans were drawn up the cost of 'everything' was significantly lower. I assume that these costs - £1m Stratton Bank, £20m Town End and £1.5m for DRS corporate boxes are going to have to be adjusted. 

Considering construction cost inflation was being measured at c.27% in the summer, yes everything will have gone through the roof (no pun intended!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:14:55
Is the Town End going to be that big?

I concur. Surely also having all the away supporters in one stand also makes it easier to police as well I would have thought. Having home fans in 3 stands, especially for bigger matches will be superb.

Yep, think atyeo stand at shitty with another 800 seats.

https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/20018372.swindon-towns-county-ground-look-22-5m-transformation/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:27:29
Yep, think atyeo stand at shitty with another 800 seats.

https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/20018372.swindon-towns-county-ground-look-22-5m-transformation/


How many does the Town End seat at the moment, that new stand is only 5k and considering seats will (I assume) be lost in the DRS when the second concourse becomes boxes whilst I know we rarely sell out there seems little wriggle room to expand? 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:31:52
How many does the Town End seat at the moment, that new stand is only 5k and considering seats will (I assume) be lost in the DRS when the second concourse becomes boxes whilst I know we rarely sell out there seems little wriggle room to expand? 

I think it holds around 1200


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:32:48
Yep, think atyeo stand at shitty with another 800 seats.

https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/20018372.swindon-towns-county-ground-look-22-5m-transformation/


Ah thanks 4D. It has the potential to look very impressive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:34:51
I think it holds around 1200

Jesus, I thought it was bigger than that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:40:55
Jesus, I thought it was bigger than that!

According to Wikipedia (I know!)  - "The Town End holds approximately 1,846"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:50:09
Sounds right, heard it was 1900


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:52:32
Jesus, I thought it was bigger than that!

It may well be close to 1800 but vaguely remember reading it was around 1200 when seats replaced the terracing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:55:53
I'd imagine at least a third of that 1800 would have a properly shocking view even by TE standards.


Sounds like a very positive evening overall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:57:56
Always too low down if you're sat near the front


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 09:12:30
Nobody sits  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 09:18:35
Nobody sits  ;)

Rebels😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:20:13
All debentures paid off today. None outstanding


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:24:40
What a top notch week it’s been - so Far!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:28:12
Amazing news.

COYR


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:29:44
Didn’t Power claim he had taken on the debenture or am I imagining that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, September 30, 2022, 17:12:59
Didn’t Power claim he had taken on the debenture or am I imagining that?

I believe he did and then sold them to someone else


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 17:16:39
Did The Slug ever take over that Albanian club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 30, 2022, 19:16:18
Top fucking work, that man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, October 3, 2022, 11:39:24
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/town-take-huge-step-towards-financial-security/?fbclid=IwAR1JmhMwWnjKf694ofi04PntLY6axCTXVUHkxecfTWoNRvKj2q2YQzg49ew

Debenture clearance announced. Excellent news that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, October 3, 2022, 11:44:46
 :toocool:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 3, 2022, 11:48:59
It's the Eady trust funding the whole purchase of the ground, or just the club half?

I guess the community share scheme won't be affected either way, but it's nice to know how close we are to buying (I know a deposit is due soon).

Probaby this unlocks potential ground redevelopment in the long run too.





Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 3, 2022, 11:51:36
No points deduction from the EFL?

Can one assume that any censure has been directed towards the instigators rather than the club, or have the club been clobbered for a few quid as well?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, October 3, 2022, 12:02:37
Can one assume that any censure has been directed towards the instigators rather than the club, or have the club been clobbered for a few quid as well?
Looks like a fine, just how much to be decided


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, October 3, 2022, 14:10:12
It's the Eady trust funding the whole purchase of the ground, or just the club half?

I guess the community share scheme won't be affected either way, but it's nice to know how close we are to buying (I know a deposit is due soon).

Probaby this unlocks potential ground redevelopment in the long run too.





Trust statement seems to suggest both halves, which would be fantastic. Imagine Community Share scheme then becomes a maintenance/ground improvements fund.

Put Nigel on the list for a statue I reckon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, October 3, 2022, 14:11:29
It's the Eady trust funding the whole purchase of the ground, or just the club half?

I guess the community share scheme won't be affected either way, but it's nice to know how close we are to buying (I know a deposit is due soon).

Probaby this unlocks potential ground redevelopment in the long run too.

Eady trust funding 100% yes but this wont impact fans buying shares in the CG,  details to follow soon




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 3, 2022, 14:13:32
Absolutely brilliant! Wonder how hard The Slug tried to get his slimy hands on it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, October 3, 2022, 14:18:42
Absolutely brilliant! Wonder how hard The Slug tried to get his slimy hands on it.
Very, and not totally sure he was left empty handed in the end but we move on


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 3, 2022, 14:26:41
@jan

Thanks. Great news.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Monday, October 3, 2022, 15:04:59
So does this means the debt is removed from hanging over the club which is good news, but is now owed to Clem ? which I'm sure he wont get a lot of it back until he sells the club one day.

I see there is no mention of Arbib & Black in the statement, as you would imagine being businessmen they would have come to an amicable agreement so they get some money now or did they sell on this debenture to Power & his crony's afterall ?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 3, 2022, 15:27:36
Its quite interesting to look back at the history of debentures and charges associated with the club, I see we had a Debenture that Hoddle was the entitled party in 1991?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/charges?page=1


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, October 3, 2022, 15:40:57
So does this means the debt is removed from hanging over the club which is good news, but is now owed to Clem ?
The wording makes it unclear whether they money has been paid by Clem or by STFC, but IIRC there was talk of having a few hundred thousand in the bank not that long ago so it seems there must have ben a cash injection to enable this to happen, pointing to Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 3, 2022, 15:53:28
A couple of million worth of debt has been paid. Doubt that was hanging around in the bank account.

Being said the debt has been cleared so I presume it’s now not owed to anyone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, October 3, 2022, 15:57:50
I suspect paying down debt as aggressively as we seem to have done may be linked to the ability to get finance in place for ground redevelopment. Get the finance in play, and the club owns the debt there (at commercial rates), and the finance is used to pay the developers/contractors, which will presumably include Morfuni and co, if he is to be involved in the construction. Is that the plan? I’ve no problem with this, so long as the club pays market rate for the redevelopment (which I’m sure we will…). It’s just nice to actually think it might happen….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 3, 2022, 17:05:17
A couple of million worth of debt has been paid. Doubt that was hanging around in the bank account.

Being said the debt has been cleared so I presume it’s now not owed to anyone.

There are only three ways it can have been cleared - by using surplus profits, through a capital injection or taking on a different debt.  The PR seems to hint a bit of all three being likely - increased Revenue helped, maybe Clem made some sort of Sponsorship/Share investment and the most likely candidate, a Directors Loan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 3, 2022, 17:06:48
I suspect paying down debt as aggressively as we seem to have done may be linked to the ability to get finance in place for ground redevelopment. Get the finance in play, and the club owns the debt there (at commercial rates), and the finance is used to pay the developers/contractors, which will presumably include Morfuni and co, if he is to be involved in the construction. Is that the plan? I’ve no problem with this, so long as the club pays market rate for the redevelopment (which I’m sure we will…). It’s just nice to actually think it might happen….

Agreed, removing a Secured Debt against the business will improve the position of the business when seeking new finance for such a scheme.  On the one hand, the fuckwittery in Govt may well have pushed commercial lending rates up, on the other hand, the Property markets remain relatively stable for now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 3, 2022, 18:13:30
while there are no guarantees the situation is the same on the debentures, July's q&a said:

• Great news on external debt being reduced, is there any “internal” debt to action?
○ RA: Internal debt references debentures from 2012, and CM is in discussions with relevant parties around those

• How much has Clem invested into STFC since taking full control of the club? And is this repayable via loans?
○ CM: £1.4m since I’ve taken over, and previously another £1.8m. Some of this is shares (c£1.1m) the balance are loans, and Ill probably need to invest more to deal with the
debenture situation. All loans are interest free


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, October 3, 2022, 18:53:19
There are only three ways it can have been cleared - by using surplus profits, through a capital injection or taking on a different debt.  The PR seems to hint a bit of all three being likely - increased Revenue helped, maybe Clem made some sort of Sponsorship/Share investment and the most likely candidate, a Directors Loan.
I am reading this that the money from the Nigel Eady Trust has freed up money from Clem to clear the debentures. Some of that funding could come from club funds e.g. recent transfer fees/sell ons.

The outcome is the club will own the ground and be clear of the debentures which were due to repaid conditional on the club being sold on or ground redevelopment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, October 3, 2022, 20:12:56
All very positive

Onwards and upwards….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Monday, October 3, 2022, 20:58:10
As I understand it, from a quick conversation on Saturday with the powers to be, we are ahead of schedule with the Council and this could all be signed off before the stated date.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 04:43:29
As I understand it, from a quick conversation on Saturday with the powers to be, we are ahead of schedule with the Council and this could all be signed off before the stated date.
I read the comms as suggesting that the deposit will be paid by the end of jan so yes could be paid earlier.  However the JV doesn't yet exist and that has to be rock solid to stop any future owner screwing us over, doing a development we don't want or need or bulldozing the lot etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 06:50:53
I am reading this that the money from the Nigel Eady Trust has freed up money from Clem to clear the debentures.

I guess so, or it could be it lets both to happen.

I doubt the Eady trust could invest while the debenture could be called in, especially if Power was chasing it. But maybe the JV  status would have offered protection anyway.

Regardless, I can't really think of a better way for the Eady money to benefit the club as per his wishes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 08:12:02
Agreed, removing a Secured Debt against the business will improve the position of the business when seeking new finance for such a scheme.  On the one hand, the fuckwittery in Govt may well have pushed commercial lending rates up, on the other hand, the Property markets remain relatively stable for now.

I wouldn't be quite so sure of that, the specialist property press this week notes several of the big investment hitters shutting down or scaling back their UK operations in the wake of last weeks shenanigans and what they envisage happening to interest rates in the next 12-24 months and the associated effects upon demand.

I guess so, or it could be it lets both to happen.

I doubt the Eady trust could invest while the debenture could be called in, especially if Power was chasing it. But maybe the JV  status would have offered protection anyway.

Regardless, I can't really think of a better way for the Eady money to benefit the club as per his wishes.


I suspect there are its a cycle combination of the various reasons noted, Eady money unlikely to be released whilst it could then be basically lost due to the debentures being called in, Eady money then being available giving Clem a little more cash to play with which had probably been originally earmarked to cover ground purchase (Wasn't it initially reported that he was going to fund it all up front with the Trust repaying when they had their share raised from supporters), better lending rates from commercial lenders when they can have first charge against the assets (just a pity its going to coincide with a big hike in rates and construction cost inflation).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 08:22:01
It won’t have been a factor in the decision (I assume), but clemente would have saved himself about 600k AUD paying the debenture off last week rather than when he took over.

Where’s the currency exchange money gone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, October 4, 2022, 08:23:53
It won’t have been a factor in the decision (I assume), but clemente would have saved himself about 600k AUD paying the debenture off last week rather than when he took over.

Where’s the currency exchange money gone

Kwasi Kwarteng is a Town fan, pass it on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 7, 2022, 13:07:50
Documents not available on Companies House as yet, but there seems to have been a fair bit of pissing around with Swinton Reds going on,

Resolutions
Sub division 30/09/2022
Resolution of allotment of securities
Resolution of removal of pre-emption rights
Resolution of adoption of Articles of Association

Assume its just post debenture house keeping?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:03:10
Documents not available on Companies House as yet, but there seems to have been a fair bit of pissing around with Swinton Reds going on,

Resolutions
Sub division 30/09/2022
Resolution of allotment of securities
Resolution of removal of pre-emption rights
Resolution of adoption of Articles of Association

Assume its just post debenture house keeping?


I'm no expert on these things, but should there be only be 3 companies linked to stfc now:

STFC Ltd - the actual FC
Clem's company that he owns the club shareholding through
the holding company that will own the ground owned 50/50 with club and trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:28:09
Documents not available on Companies House as yet, but there seems to have been a fair bit of pissing around with Swinton Reds going on,

Resolutions
Sub division 30/09/2022
Resolution of allotment of securities
Resolution of removal of pre-emption rights
Resolution of adoption of Articles of Association

Assume its just post debenture house keeping?


Spring cleaning post debenture purchase


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 12:46:14
I'm no expert on these things, but should there be only be 3 companies linked to stfc now:

STFC Ltd - the actual FC
Clem's company that he owns the club shareholding through
the holding company that will own the ground owned 50/50 with club and trust

I think there still remain Seebeck and Swinton Reds above STFC Ltd (albeit I am not sure which is the ultimate parent of the other, I should assume Swinton as that was Powers vehicle who bought Seebeck which was in turn Jeds SPV to buy STFC Ltd)

Add into the equation Axis Football (Holdings or Investments I don't recall) which is Clems SPV we now appear to have 4 layers.

Spring cleaning post debenture purchase

Assumed as much, I do like that Clems lawyers appear to be called GBH Law!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 13:05:26
I think there still remain Seebeck and Swinton Reds above STFC Ltd (albeit I am not sure which is the ultimate parent of the other, I should assume Swinton as that was Powers vehicle who bought Seebeck which was in turn Jeds SPV to buy STFC Ltd)

Add into the equation Axis Football (Holdings or Investments I don't recall) which is Clems SPV we now appear to have 4 layers.

Assumed as much, I do like that Clems lawyers appear to be called GBH Law!!

Multiple lawyers for clem looking at different legal topics/cases but your right it's a quality name


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 16:19:48
From the fans forum

‘Can you explain the ownership/directors and management structure at the football club?

Clem owns one hundred per cent of the football club and is the sole Director. 

Rob Angus is the CEO, Greg Norman our Financial Director and Sandro Di Micheleour Technical Director.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 16:32:01
From the fans forum

‘Can you explain the ownership/directors and management structure at the football club?

Clem owns one hundred per cent of the football club and is the sole Director. 

Rob Angus is the CEO, Greg Norman our Financial Director and Sandro Di Micheleour Technical Director.’
Can't be right. I thought Rob was leaving and Zav Austin was in charge but took orders from Michael Standing who sometimes comes down to take photos of the new signings because Ben Chorley left for a better job but is still unemployed. Pretty sure that was the news we were being told all summer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 16:47:47
:D

Don't forget the coke dealer!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 17:09:58
why have we got a golfer in charge of finances. Clem out


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 17:24:10
:D

Don't forget the coke dealer!
God yeah, remember he was going to sell it from the kiosks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, October 17, 2022, 15:03:29
Rochdale have been deducted six points, suspended for two years, after failure to comply with EFL Regulations following the acquisition of shares in the Club by Morton House in July 2021.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, October 21, 2022, 01:25:31
Since the discussions around the number of resolutions posted RE Swinton reds on 07/10/22, an allotment of shares has occured. Given the value assigned to the new shares is very minimal, it doesn't appear like a Dale Vince-esque cash injection, which makes it seem more like providing a share percentage to someone other than Clem...shares to be assigned to Keily perhaps?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, October 21, 2022, 02:51:02
Yeah, definitely seems like some moves are afoot re: ownership structure. Can’t see otherwise the need for clem to turn 100 £1 shares into 10,000 0.01p shares, and then allot another 400-odd shares to himself

Be good for some clarity either way from either the club or the supporters trust on what’s going on at the next available moment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, October 21, 2022, 07:15:12
Since the discussions around the number of resolutions posted RE Swinton reds on 07/10/22, an allotment of shares has occured. Given the value assigned to the new shares is very minimal, it doesn't appear like a Dale Vince-esque cash injection, which makes it seem more like providing a share percentage to someone other than Clem...shares to be assigned to Keily perhaps?

Who is this Keily perrson/company??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 21, 2022, 07:51:53
Who is this Keily perrson/company??

His information and links to the club were mentioned earlier on this thread. From about page 135 (ish) forwards.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 21, 2022, 08:05:08
His information and links to the club were mentioned earlier on this thread. From about page 135 (ish) forwards.

Couldn't find the Kelly stuff, on the pages you referenced it was mainly that Clem was apparently selling the club and RA was quitting?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 21, 2022, 08:12:58
Couldn't find the Kelly stuff, on the pages you referenced it was mainly that Clem was apparently selling the club and RA was quitting?

page 141 he is referred to, I'm pretty sure there was a few posts discussing it from there forwards. You might have to look a bit harder for your information. This isn't facebook and I'm not going to tell you how to wipe your arse! :)



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 21, 2022, 08:20:27
page 141 he is referred to, I'm pretty sure there was a few posts discussing it from there forwards. You might have to look a bit harder for your information. This isn't facebook and I'm not going to tell you how to wipe your arse! :)



Ah you cheeky fucker, I didn't get that far reading back through as the doom and gloom of Clem selling and RA leaving left me miserable enough!

It would also have helped if I had not read Kiely as Kelly in the previous post as I was aware of the Kiely stuff, but not Kelly stuff!  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 21, 2022, 08:24:20
Ah you cheeky fucker, I didn't get that far reading back through as the doom and gloom of Clem selling and RA leaving left me miserable enough!

It would also have helped if I had not read Kiely as Kelly in the previous post as I was aware of the Kiely stuff, but not Kelly stuff!  :D

Ah! Kelly is Clem's nickname, as in Ned Kelly ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, October 21, 2022, 14:36:35
He said he loved me. He said he needs me. He said to Kiely he thinks I'm special.
He didn't love me. He didn't need me. Got off with Kiely. She thinks she's special!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 21, 2022, 18:16:15
Ah! Kelly is Clem's nickname, as in Ned Kelly ;)

I prefer digger.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 21, 2022, 18:34:54
could this somehow be linked to funding the debenture payoff?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 21, 2022, 21:19:35
I doubt it as all the shares belong to him.  It could be to set up for a future investor, which is a sensible thing to do but doesn't mean anything has happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 15:24:19
Then you’ve got the perennial problem of the residents of Shrivenham Road complaining. Plus the club will own the car park to build the new TE into but I don’t think it owns any land behind the Bank.

Exactly this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 15:25:14
Why give the away fans the Town End when it's going to be a new 5k stand? The 2,100 seat bank with roof will suit away fans, get em out the north stand too.

SB with a roof would be a great stand for atmosphere though. I'm sure we can keep it while The Town End is being developed and decide from there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 16:08:34
The DRS was put up over a summer with no disruption if I remember.
Could be the case with the new TE as well?

Redeveloped stand going up at Anfield, existing one still in use while the new bit goes up around it.

I'm sure that all avenues will be explored.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 25, 2022, 16:19:39
Yes knocked down after last prem game and open the first game the following season


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 13:40:18
On the flip side of that Fulhams Riverside Stand has been going years. No doubt the pandemic has slowed things, but still taking a very long time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 13:50:50
On the flip side of that Fulhams Riverside Stand has been going years. No doubt the pandemic has slowed things, but still taking a very long time.
Yes, think it was initially meant to take two years but they have cited "the complex nature of the project, coupled with implications arising from the Coronavirus pandemic" as reasons for it now looking like a 4-year project. Certainly a bit different to throwing up a hotel and 5,000 seater on the CG car park.

The Anfield example is an interesting one... no idea what cost it's added to have to work around the existing structure and if that might be prohibitive for STFC? I imagine we'll be sewapping the TE for an undercover SB for a season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 13:56:04
On the flip side of that Fulhams Riverside Stand has been going years. No doubt the pandemic has slowed things, but still taking a very long time.

I imagine part of the reason for that may be that it backs right onto the Thames so not much space for builders etc to manoeuvre.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 14:05:07
I imagine we'll be sewapping the TE for an undercover SB for a season.
No other option. Away fans in the Arkells corner where they are now. TE in the Bank avec roof.

Then give over the Bank to away fans when all is finished.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 14:09:28
I imagine part of the reason for that may be that it backs right onto the Thames so not much space for builders etc to manoeuvre.

Yeah that can only complicate things. Can't be far off completion now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 19:12:06
The DRS was put up over a summer with no disruption if I remember.
Could be the case with the new TE as well?

Redeveloped stand going up at Anfield, existing one still in use while the new bit goes up around it.

I'm sure that all avenues will be explored.


The DRS was indeed put up over a summer, but it was just that - assembled onsite.  It was a modular design meaning the stand was built offsite then assembled onsite by the same people who did three of the Notts County stands I think.  You can do that when going for ultra basic.  I'd imagine the plans for the TE would take significantly longer as they'd have bespoke requirements, more than just a shell and some seats.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 11:02:56
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere... The winding up petition against Swindon Town Football Company Limited is due to be heard by Judge Mullen today

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1592840036088565760


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 11:08:19
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere... The winding up petition against Swindon Town Football Company Limited is due to be heard by Judge Mullen today

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1592840036088565760

10.30 to be heard. Anyone heard anything?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 11:09:10
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere... The winding up petition against Swindon Town Football Company Limited is due to be heard by Judge Mullen today

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1592840036088565760

I didn't know that, not heard owt either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 12:46:42
STFC CEO Rob Angus told @BBCWiltshire the court listing relates to a dispute with caterers Centreplate. Before the hearing he said "We don't dispute there's a debt, we just dispute how much it is... we expect it to be settled... and we can move forward."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 09:29:57
Surprised there hasn't been anything reported yet about the court case yesterday. I guess the Adver is too busy with (non) stories about Cider competitions and backup goalkeepers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 09:34:24
Surprised there hasn't been anything reported yet about the court case yesterday. I guess the Adver is too busy with (non) stories about Cider competitions and backup goalkeepers.

I assume its because in modern times local papers do not send anyone to monitor court proceedings so it will only come out when either a judgement is released or the club release their interpretation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 09:55:44
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/november/advisory-board-minutes-for-november-published/

November Advisory Board minutes out.

Think most of the bigger items have already been publicised - U16s policy changes, Armed Forces covenant etc.

These bits were interesting on the Debenture:

● Were the debentures paid personally by Clem?
Yes
● Is the club now in debt to Clem to the tune of £2.95m, and is this on top of the interest-free £1.8m he recently referenced at the advisory board?
Yes
● If so, when will/does Clem expect to be repaid? And is this interest-free? (like the £1.8m)
No repayment date or plans and yes, interest free
● Are we able to know who was in receipt of the debentures payment?
Kirk Rock Project Management
● When is the next set of accounts due for publication?
Feb 2023
● Will the next round of accounts be published in full detail?
Depends on legal matters outstanding. Accounts will be shared with Advisory Board

This seems to be the only company registered at Companies House of that name - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14402772

Only registered six weeks or so ago, so quite possibly not the right people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 10:05:54
.
https://www.kirkrock.co.uk/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 12:32:52
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23131738.swindon-town-reveals-winding-up-petition-dismissed/

Winding up petition dismissed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 12:56:38
What’s happened about the FA charges? Can’t believe it’s taken so long.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 13:39:57
What’s happened about the FA charges? Can’t believe it’s taken so long.

Clem mentioned at the open forum that certain parties had requested a delay to the hearing, but he fully expected a fine and was confident of no points deduction.

Maybe a certain agent to get January transfer window out the way before he loses his agent licence ?

Its also mentioned in the Nov advisory board mins:

It was noted that the Club is trying to close out the FA Charges whilst Power and Standing are looking to defer until the Standing v Power case is heard which will be sometime in 2023.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 15:20:12
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23131738.swindon-town-reveals-winding-up-petition-dismissed/

Winding up petition dismissed.

WEll that's good, but “We’ve stated the amount we believe we should pay Centreplate, and now it’s down to negotiation between the two parties to sort out the final amount."

So ongoing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 15:22:08

● Is the club now in debt to Clem to the tune of £2.95m, and is this on top of the interest-free £1.8m he recently referenced at the advisory board?
Yes

● Are we able to know who was in receipt of the debentures payment?
Kirk Rock Project Management


Thanks.

Wonder how "Kirk Rock Project Management" got hold of it.

Still owe Clem ~£5m, better that than external mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 15:29:07
Is the Kirk Rock address a solictors/holding address I wonder (the one from Audry's website) - https://www.kirkrock.co.uk/contact?

I've not had time to look as working (cough). But the same address also comes up here (Denise Courtnell) in connection with Morton House. A different company though.

Morton House...Curran

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/275455/4355813/page:2/


Could all be co-incidental or incorrect linkage of course.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 18:15:06
I think you will find it all links back to Able and Andy Curran or AC sports
AC always the money man, Lee Power involved naturally too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 18:22:06
imagine my surprise


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 18:39:29
How could Power have thought through this situation so cunningly well.... Black adder stuff.
Swindon has had a very lucky escape Rochdale by all accounts seems to have just as well. Makes you wonder what happened at Bury and is the kiss of death currently happening at Oldham Scunthorpe Torquay and Yeovil at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: @MacPhlea on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 20:26:17
Bristol City have just reported a loss of £28.5m for 21-22 bringing total losses since Lansdown took over of nearly £200m… crazy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 20:31:40
Bristol City have just reported a loss of £28.5m for 21-22 bringing total losses since Lansdown took over of nearly £200m… crazy

The fairytale of the Sleeping Giant


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 20:33:19
Just a big league one club😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 21:03:32
If that sort of cash is needed just to compete in the championship then thats quite depressing for league 1 & 2 minnows


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 23:03:58
Must relate to some great tax audits.

These football clubs  and their associated companies that constantly run very large financial losses must generate large tax credits for someone somewhere.

That is a concern with STFC "wiping off " large amounts of debt last year claimed to be from 7.5 million to 1 million.

Does that mean STFC made made a 6.5 million net profit ???

Bet the IRD are saying thank you very much we want 33% of that !!!       


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 23:58:21
c£4.5m of the debt has been paid directly by Clem, so it's now owed interest free to him.

Some debts have reduced, I'm sure the club would have made a profit, with the embargo keeping costs low while having high attendances


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 18, 2022, 00:08:06
Must relate to some great tax audits.

These football clubs  and their associated companies that constantly run very large financial losses must generate large tax credits for someone somewhere.

That is a concern with STFC "wiping off " large amounts of debt last year claimed to be from 7.5 million to 1 million.

Does that mean STFC made made a 6.5 million net profit ???

Bet the IRD are saying thank you very much we want 33% of that !!!       

The vast majority has been paid down, not written off (of the business related debt).  The Debenture appears to have just moved as being owed to someone else as an interest free Directors Loan (hopefully).  The club has not banked any profits as a result and would have plenty of losses to offset them even if they did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 18, 2022, 09:08:40
How could Power have thought through this situation so cunningly well.... Black adder stuff.
Swindon has had a very lucky escape Rochdale by all accounts seems to have just as well. Makes you wonder what happened at Bury and is the kiss of death currently happening at Oldham Scunthorpe Torquay and Yeovil at the moment.


But unless again Power and his cronies bought the debenture at a big discount from Arbib et al its just another example of them doing loads of dodgy shite for very limited (in the big scheme of things) gain.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 18, 2022, 10:12:14
Re the FA charges, I'm assuming, as he is out of reach due to no longer being involved in the game, that Lee Power will not be hit in the place that he loves the most i.e. his pocket?

The most that the FA could do would be to ban him from football?

Hopefully he'll get his proper comeuppance one day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 18, 2022, 11:15:40
But unless again Power and his cronies bought the debenture at a big discount from Arbib et al its just another example of them doing loads of dodgy shite for very limited (in the big scheme of things) gain.

I thought that Power had bought the "interest free" debentures from Black & Arib, and then charged the club interest on them, before he sold them on to Curran (who presumably did the same).

From what I understand Clem has now bought them and they are now interest free again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 18, 2022, 11:20:18
Notwithstanding the good news.

Our support since Clem took over has been nothing short of outstanding.
Everyone that continues to go through the turnstiles are the real lifeblood of our football club.

One small step at a time but our crowds should easily sustain a decent League One budget providing they continue to hold up.
Must be a fair few new Supporters joining the life of misery in those numbers. Surely can’t be just those that have come back since Power exited?

All in all encouraging.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 18, 2022, 14:17:44
Bristol City have just reported a loss of £28.5m for 21-22 bringing total losses since Lansdown took over of nearly £200m… crazy

How on earth have they not been found in breach of FFP. The club with zero self awareness that went bust and started again while retraining their league position yet have the audacity to call us Swindle. 

Cunts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 18, 2022, 14:19:32
How on earth have they not been found in breach of FFP. The club with zero self awareness that went bust and started again while retraining their league position yet have the audacity to call us Swindle. 

Cunts.

Yep this. Scummy club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 18, 2022, 14:24:50
Yep this. Scummy club
With an over inflated ego too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 18, 2022, 14:50:24
There is a 3 year period in which to fall foul of FFP. The first of those 3 years they made a profit of £11m. That just about saved them as the following 2 years they posted big losses.

The problem they have now is that £11m profit has fallen out of the next 3 year period so to avoid FFP penalties they have to sell - and sell big in January. They are struggling a bit already in the Championship so to lose 2/3 of their best players in January could well propel them even further downwards.

Relegation, although seemingly doubtful, would be the death knell for them financially plus a points deduction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 18, 2022, 16:33:00
Last 13 games....

P13  W2  D4  L7  F11  A18

 :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 12:33:58
I assume this is broadly what the powers that be have planned for the CG as well? https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/stockport-county-fan-zone-approved/

Also looks like us that they plan to replace a shitty terrace with seats as well. https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/edgeley-park-expansion-on-the-table/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 13:02:52
I assume this is broadly what the powers that be have planned for the CG as well? https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/stockport-county-fan-zone-approved/

Also looks like us that they plan to replace a shitty terrace with seats as well. https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/edgeley-park-expansion-on-the-table/
Probably something like that. Probably on the grass behind the DRS? Could be a reasonable revenue stream for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 13:06:08
Do they still sell the cans of lager in the horse box behind the Town End?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 13:11:23
Do they still sell the cans of lager in the horse box behind the Town End?
They weren’t selling last time I went. I would like to know why. It looked like they were making a killing and it seems like a no brainer.

Jan (or anyone else), could you please ask the question at the next advisory board?

Edit - I have also added this question to the thread for questions for AB.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 22:28:12
Do they still sell the cans of lager in the horse box behind the Town End?

I've not seen it this season, it probably didn't make enough money with all the added security costs otherwise I'm sure they would be doing it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 30, 2022, 09:04:48
I wonder whether it fell foul of licencing in some way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 8, 2022, 09:46:35
Good stuff

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/a-zambian-adventure/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 8, 2022, 09:53:57
And this is always good to see at this time of year

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/bringing-smiles-to-the-faces-of-children-this-christmas/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 10:13:25
I see we are up for discussion on the Price of Football Podcast today, any ideas what this may be about?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fjso8sNXgAQKV2I?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 12, 2022, 10:36:04
I see we are up for discussion on the Price of Football Podcast today, any ideas what this may be about?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fjso8sNXgAQKV2I?format=jpg&name=large)
Nothing majorly concerning or shady thankfully. It's just the loss of gate receipts outlook now that our west country rivals were all promoted last season so won't have as many larger away followings at CG.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 12, 2022, 10:40:55
I see we are up for discussion on the Price of Football Podcast today, any ideas what this may be about?


It was a very small response to a query from a fan asking about smaller away attendances in league 2 due to our most local visitors being Northampton and Wimbledon and if this affects our budget. Kieran McGuire stated he estimates we lose £15,000 per match because of poor away numbers or approx £50,000 per month.

He did end by saying under Clem our finances appear to be in a much better state but that's hardly breaking news, albeit positive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 10:46:45
Ta both.

When he said we lose £15k per match is he suggesting that we fail to even break even on games then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 12, 2022, 10:49:47
I would read that as lost revenue


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 12, 2022, 11:20:22
Ta both.

When he said we lose £15k per match is he suggesting that we fail to even break even on games then?

I would read that as lost revenue

Yeah I think what 4D says is right. I'm not sure on what the comparison is, I guess he is roughly calculating the income from larger followings and using that as the 'lost revenue' figure. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 11:21:20
I would read that as lost revenue

That was my initial thought, but that wouldn't be on a match by match basis, as there being no West Country clubs would make fuck all difference to what we made (or lost) on weeks when we weren't playing those clubs?

On a similar basis I imagine there were a lot of pissed off people round here after the Carlisle-Barrow derby got binned on Saturday (christ knows why as it hasn't been as cold up here as it has been down your way), plus the ball ache of trying to reschedule a match I imagine Inspector Knacker would prefer to police on a Saturday.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 12, 2022, 11:26:18
That was my initial thought, but that wouldn't be on a match by match basis, as there being no West Country clubs would make fuck all difference to what we made (or lost) on weeks when we weren't playing those clubs?

On a similar basis I imagine there were a lot of pissed off people round here after the Carlisle-Barrow derby got binned on Saturday (christ knows why as it hasn't been as cold up here as it has been down your way), plus the ball ache of trying to reschedule a match I imagine Inspector Knacker would prefer to police on a Saturday. 

It's 46 minutes into the podcast if you want to delve further without trying to pad through the stuff you aren't interested in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 12, 2022, 11:37:04
It was a very small response to a query from a fan asking about smaller away attendances in league 2 due to our most local visitors being Northampton and Wimbledon and if this affects our budget. Kieran McGuire stated he estimates we lose £15,000 per match because of poor away numbers or approx £50,000 per month.

He did end by saying under Clem our finances appear to be in a much better state but that's hardly breaking news, albeit positive.

Would love to know exactly how that is worked out.

Like, obviously bigger away followings generate more income but also incur extra costs as well surely?
Stewarding, policing, operating turnstiles, opening the bank must cost?

I wonder what away following is the optimal numbers/size for bringing in the most income without the extra costs.

Like someone like Leeds would sell the allocation no problem but would come up with massive additional costs too…

Unless that £15,000 is already extra income minus extra costs rather than just extra income.

Taking a punt here but let’s just say (ticket + parking + food) an away fan spends on average £30. Then £15,000 / 30 = 500 people.

Do we average over a season 500 less people per away following per game based on the division and teams in it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 12, 2022, 12:48:05
I have always assumed Maguire is just a fan who knows some stuff about numbers and accidently ending up sounding like an expert as a result.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 13:42:30
I have always assumed Maguire is just a fan who knows some stuff about numbers and accidently ending up sounding like an expert as a result.

I believe he has a degree which specialises in sports finances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 12, 2022, 17:54:10
So, as I described him then ;-)

The financial data available for football clubs is largely opaque at best.  A decent accountant can give some broad stroke analysis of most clubs, but I'd take with a pinch of salt anyone expressing "facts".


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 12, 2022, 18:00:16
I believe he has a degree which specialises in sports finances.
He's an accountant who writes about and lectures about on an MBA course about football finance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 10:35:25
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/december-advisory-board-minutes-released/

December Advisory Board minutes up - I haven't read them yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 10:45:10
"Looking at how to improve the CG atmosphere"

Take some shots?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 11:19:05
"Looking at how to improve the CG atmosphere"

Take some shots?
Did that all last season. Took McKirdy to come out with 5 games to go to still get it going. I think we need to accept we are a club with shit home support unless it's a big game


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 11:24:07
Did that all last season. Took McKirdy to come out with 5 games to go to still get it going. I think we need to accept we are a club with shit home support unless it's a big game

Which is probably the same for 90% of clubs up and down the country.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 11:30:49
Did that all last season. Took McKirdy to come out with 5 games to go to still get it going. I think we need to accept we are a club with shit home support unless it's a big game

I was talking to a friend about this yesterday, and think Town fans are particularly fickle (they’re not the only ones) but they’re great when things are going well, but are quick to turn when they’re not.

As for improving the atmosphere, trying to attack with some purpose will help, start the game fast & really go for the opposition.

Thinking of earlier in the season when we were playing Salford, McKirdy getting sent off really got the crowd going as we all felt wronged against.

On Saturday we sat in the Arkells as we had hospitality tickets, and you could barely hear any support from our fans, probably didn’t help that the football was yawn inducing


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 11:37:47
atmosphere will always be bad because of league 2. look at the league 1 teams we could have been playing against, local derbies, sold out stratton banks, better players.

singing to 2000 rovers fans or 20 Carlisle fans. The atmosphere has generally been shit this except for feisty moments. one of the best was against newport- purely down to the opposition.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 11:51:27
the atmosphere certainly has gone wrong in the last few years , at least when things are going wrong as already pointed out

a couple of times this year a chant or two has woken me from comatose  state and I've realised it's been missing the whole game.

not even many sarcastic or angry chants these days, bar one memorable misplaced town end effort.

I guess there are a number of reasons for it and no easy fix.

I'm getting old and accepting. I have no excuse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 12:25:37
"Looking at how to improve the CG atmosphere"

Take some shots?

Yep the style of football is the most limiting factor to the atmosphere


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 12:55:16
Yep the style of football is the most limiting factor to the atmosphere
I agree, at least last season we had the livewire Harry who could get the fans on their feet when he had the ball, excitement, something we have been lacking for 95% of the season so far.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 14:59:14
Yep the style of football is the most limiting factor to the atmosphere
Richie Wellens at least 3 times came out after games and begged the fans to be better.  I honestly think we are just a bit shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:02:03
If the TE doesn't make some noise then there is zero noise. North and South stands rarely sing. A redeveloped TE would help, all the would be singers could go there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:10:57
At the Tranmere game I was in the DRS and the 'stand up if you love Swindon' chant was attempted to be started. A half-hearted effort finished and a gentlemen behind me muttered 'we wouldn't bloody be here if we didn't would we'. His gallows humour made me smile but summed up the atmosphere really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:19:48
If the TE doesn't make some noise then there is zero noise. North and South stands rarely sing. A redeveloped TE would help, all the would be singers could go there.

I agree with the fist bit.

A redeveloped stand might help, but weirdly could even hinder depending on the acoustics.

At the Tranmere game I was in the DRS and the 'stand up if you love Swindon' chant ..

You've reminded me.  A few (literally) people stand on occasion at the back of the DRS. Every now and then the stewards do their walk to the back to tell them to sit down. In days of yore (!) we would have all sang "stand up if you love Swindon" just to piss them off. But not now, nope. Its James "sit down", a better song admittedly but we've all gone soft.

(Yes I know, steward doing his job, hse directing the club, blah blah blah).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:23:31
If we're still going to be playing the likes of Barrow & Harrogate nothing will help😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:25:58
The TE has been quiet for quite a while


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:28:03
The TE has been quiet for quite a while

I'm not blaming them. Is it just the football is rubbish?

A lot of the old guard have left. Replaced by annoying 15 year olds I'm told. I blame them. Bloody yoof.

:)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:37:19
A quick scan of the advisory board notes and I couldn’t see anything about alcohol in the townend. I may well have missed it. I am sure that alcohol in the TE would get people going a bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:44:23
A quick scan of the advisory board notes and I couldn’t see anything about alcohol in the townend. I may well have missed it. I am sure that alcohol in the TE would get people going a bit.
It’s in there, along the lines of the uptake was minimal when trialled so didn’t justify the costs of the bar being a permanent fixture.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, December 14, 2022, 15:45:39
A quick scan of the advisory board notes and I couldn’t see anything about alcohol in the townend. I may well have missed it. I am sure that alcohol in the TE would get people going a bit.
The question was asked about the bar that was in place for the TE (in the Trust question), and whether it would return. The club said it was popular but not as well used as they had hoped to make it viable. If fans want it back and would use it then happy to take that back to the club at next AB in a few weeks to try it again?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 08:41:41
I noticed on the minutes that there were concerns around Northampton tickets having not been received. Given when the December meeting was I can only assume this question was raised at the end of November, a full month ahead of the game?

FWIW I bought our tickets on the 25th November and got them on the 29th. I actually live in Northamptonshire so wonder if people outside the Swindon postcode are 'prioritised' for tickets being sent or something? Anytime I have ordered tickets to be sent from STFC they have always arrived within 3 or 4 days later.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 09:06:26
The question was asked about the bar that was in place for the TE (in the Trust question), and whether it would return. The club said it was popular but not as well used as they had hoped to make it viable. If fans want it back and would use it then happy to take that back to the club at next AB in a few weeks to try it again?
I for one would definitely use it and the uptake seemed huge whenever I saw it. Bring back the bar!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 09:35:51
I for one would definitely use it and the uptake seemed huge whenever I saw it. Bring back the bar!!!

It wasn't financially viable according to the AB notes, I doubt they would bring it back anytime soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 09:46:33
Did I hear/read somewhere there was going to be a fanzone at the CG? Where would this be situated?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 09:50:55
It wasn't financially viable according to the AB notes, I doubt they would bring it back anytime soon.


Strong Village Post Office/Pub vibes, no one uses it so becomes unviable then everyone complains when it disappears.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 10:11:53
Re Northampton tickets - if you had ordered them beforehand they were available for collection before the game on Saturday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:05:44
10 episode behind the scenes documentary. 5 episodes airing tonight


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:08:50
10 episode behind the scenes documentary. 5 episodes airing tonight

On a platform called 'Recast' whatever that is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:12:09
10 episode behind the scenes documentary. 5 episodes airing tonight
A documentary on what mate?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:20:41
On a platform called 'Recast' whatever that is.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/november/swindon-town-join-forces-with-recast/

Thought I'd heard that name before. A bit Fanzai?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:21:10
On a platform called 'Recast' whatever that is.

A 'revolutionary micro transaction streaming platfrom' apparently.

https://recast.tv/

Assume its basically you tube but you can charge for your content and not be purely dependent upon selling ads to monetise it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:24:32
A documentary on what mate?

Probably the kitmen and their 'japery'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:26:10
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/november/swindon-town-join-forces-with-recast/

Thought I'd heard that name before. A bit Fanzai?

Ah yes I vaguely remembered signing up when it was introduced. This might actually be worth tuning into to be fair - I think at the time there wasn't a lot on there, that may have changed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:36:31
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=688420075984071


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:38:31
Probably the kitmen and their 'japery'
Twas a genuine question mate not an ironic one, 1st I have heard of it had no idea that they were filming at the club or even heard of Recast before.  :shrug:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:44:43
I assume its just going to be our version of 'All or Nothing', assume we couldn't get Netflix signed up. Didn't it appear on the Advisory Board minutes for ages that they were trying to get something sorted, I assume a film maker bit and signed up to do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:45:32
Twas a genuine question mate not an ironic one, 1st I have heard of it had no idea that they were filming at the club or even heard of Recast before.  :shrug:

First I had heard also JJ. It will be interesting to see what is in the content. Nemo's post about Recast jogged some memories, but yeah I had totally forgotten about it also.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:49:07
I assume its just going to be our version of 'All or Nothing', assume we couldn't get Netflix signed up. Didn't it appear on the Advisory Board minutes for ages that they were trying to get something sorted, I assume a film maker bit and signed up to do it.
You assume :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:51:19
Seems interesting, no harm in promoting what the club does, widen attraction especially with younger audience


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:57:47
Seems interesting, no harm in promoting what the club does, widen attraction especially with younger audience
As long as it doesnt put some younger fans off supporting us when they atually see it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 13:08:41
You assume :)

You are entitled to make that assumption!  ;)

I did read it back before I posted it, but couldn't be arsed to change it TBH.  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 15:44:28
The next uproar will be having to pay for it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 16:11:14
80p an episode

Each episide is 10-15 mins long


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 16:37:55
80p an episode

Each episide is 10-15 mins long

£8 per fan for the whole thing, might be a useful little money spinner for the club. (no idea about costs of these things) I'm actually quite positive that the club are doing something like this, not a bad idea in my eyes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 16:50:12
£8 per fan for the whole thing, might be a useful little money spinner for the club. (no idea about costs of these things) I'm actually quite positive that the club are doing something like this, not a bad idea in my eyes.

Oh there will be some who moan, whilst simultaneously berating Clem for not spending £500k on a player.  :D ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 16:56:21
80p an episode

Each episide is 10-15 mins long

I think (well I have done) you get the first episode for free. (you get a 10 minute logged out preview) So far chats with SL and Angus MacDonald. Sadly cancer has dogged both of them, felt for SL talking about him losing his wife.

Followed by a bit of footage from the Orient game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 16, 2022, 09:18:55
I think (well I have done) you get the first episode for free. (you get a 10 minute logged out preview) So far chats with SL and Angus MacDonald. Sadly cancer has dogged both of them, felt for SL talking about him losing his wife.

Followed by a bit of footage from the Orient game.

Thought SL and MacDonald both came across really well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, December 16, 2022, 13:18:51
Thought SL and MacDonald both came across really well.
Agreed. Decent 10 minutes viewing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, December 16, 2022, 14:06:49
I watched it last night. It was ok..

I think if you buy the episode you can watch it as many times as you like, so there would be nothing stopping people letting others use their log on etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 13:42:56
I watched it last night. It was ok..

I think if you buy the episode you can watch it as many times as you like, so there would be nothing stopping people letting others use their log on etc

Has Julie Watts bought it yet?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 13:59:03
;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 14:03:17
talens


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 18:48:35
talens
You missed a 't'. 😎


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 19:41:53
You missed a 't'. 😎
wat ??.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 19:53:53
You missed a 't'. 😎

Oh...

Talents then


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 9, 2023, 08:11:18
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64186508


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, January 9, 2023, 10:47:02
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64186508

Seems bizarre still


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 9, 2023, 10:50:33
Seems bizarre still

It does, but if he is trying to do something nefarious it seems odd to be seeking so much PR off the back of it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 9, 2023, 12:38:08
It does, but if he is trying to do something nefarious it seems odd to be seeking so much PR off the back of it!

There are a myriad of ways to make money from peoples desire to get a Visa in the UK without it being illegal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, January 9, 2023, 13:12:17
Agree Rob, as long as ( i am aware it is) this comes at his own cost and not ours then leave him to it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 18:48:26
Lord knows if this is the right place for it, but Doughty's Instagram story says he has big STFC news to drop tomorrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 18:49:57
His company coming on as a sponsor I suspect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 18:52:37
Lord knows if this is the right place for it, but Doughty's Instagram story says he has big STFC news to drop tomorrow.

Well we do need a midfielder


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:01:16
His company coming on as a sponsor I suspect.

My money is on stadium naming rights


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:01:39
Lord knows if this is the right place for it, but Doughty's Instagram story says he has big STFC news to drop tomorrow.
His hair and beard are things of beauty these days!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:05:44
Hylo are sponsoring the match ball at the next home game ;)

Hylo are becoming sponsors of STFC in some capacity. Cue meltdown as Town now have a climate friendly sponsor and sell vegan food...oh no, we're in danger of becoming FVRs feeder club!

Doughty definitely giving off massive Jebus vibes there! Top man :)

#ChristTheRedeemer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:06:49
My money is on stadium naming rights

Surely his (Doughty's) money is on it?  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:08:04
I'd like a Hylo kit. Wouldn't be cheap mind!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:09:55
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-64186508

It's got 250,000,000 people and has one of the youngest populations of any nation on Earth. There's got to be some talent there and potential to build a brand just by being a club that pays attention to that market.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:11:14
I'd like a Hylo kit. Wouldn't be cheap mind!

If he's coming on board as a major kit/boot/training wear supplier then might see some STFC branded Hylo stuff available in due course.

What's nice is that he feels a need to be involved with STFC again in some capacity, which is great news.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:18:39
Stade de Hylo


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:21:52
Just thinking, would the Puma deal block any major involvement from Hylo? When does it end?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:37:39
Not sure but i know we were also talking to Hummel in the summer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:38:36
The Advisory Board a few months ago now mentioned that 23/24 kit designs were "almost finalised" so whoever is making the kit, the club have known for a while.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:42:14
Power tried committing us to a 5 year deal to Puma so Clem had to front the bill when he come in


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:50:32
Power tried committing us to a 5 year deal to Puma so Clem had to front the bill when he come in
He did. On Clems first day he had to pay puma and also barnes on his credit card... Tight cunt


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:56:11
Not sure but i know we were also talking to Hummel in the summer

Oh yes,  a million times yes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 19:57:34
Problem is Hummel (or the distributor of) went in administration not long ago. Love Hummel kits but supply issues are rife with them, apparently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 20:06:24
He did. On Clems first day he had to pay puma and also barnes on his credit card... Tight cunt

Attempt of the Norwich tribute kit was the biggest joke, ended up being a morfuni tribute kit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 20:19:10
Hummel kits are nice, but best to go with the best deal now. Every fucker has Adidas or Nike or Puma or some top brand through different distributors anyway and you get a tiny % of sales. Go with a lesser brand and a higher % every time.

Whatever happened to Strikeforce? Those kits were class. White third one possibly my favourite ever.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 20:21:02
Hummel kits are nice, but best to go with the best deal now. Every fucker has Adidas or Nike or Puma or some top brand through different distributors anyway and you get a tiny % of sales. Go with a lesser brand and a higher % every time.

Whatever happened to Strikeforce? Those kits were class. White third one possibly my favourite ever.

Strikeforce became Lonsdale didn’t they?
Made our kits a year or two after - don’t think they even do football kits anymore


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 21:50:15
Lonsdale had been running for donkeys before that though. Maybe they bought Strikeforce out.

https://theswindonian.co.uk/news/swindon-town-expected-to-receive-investment-from-ex-player/

If this is true and he's on board as an investor Hylo could always come on board once the Puma deal is finished.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:42:12
Doughty on Colin Murray on 5live to announce what he's coming back to Town for in the next ten minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:45:24
Doughty on Colin Murray on 5live to announce what he's coming back to Town for in the next ten minutes.

I guess he couldn't wait/retain his excitement until tomorrow  :)

Edit:

<<Move TEF Traffic to>>

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:46:38
I guess he couldn't wait/retain his excitement until tomorrow  :)

i expect the club will announce it in two weeks time


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:48:30
i expect the club will announce it in two weeks time

Or at least via Cameo  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:51:53
Doughty on 5Live now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_five_live


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:52:52
Doughty will be STFC chief sustainability officer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 22:53:15
Chief Sustainability Officer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 23:06:28
I'm resisting the urge to order some of his trainers.......


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 23:07:31
He's set himself up over here in the States as well


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 23:41:17
https://twitter.com/jackcoops99/status/1620502967421116418?s=46&t=aFPl1T3y9CaxWuZIZeu9Bw

Wow! Watch this. There’s rumours of an ex player investing.

Guess who!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 23:44:19
Haven’t watched the video but I’m gonna guess it Michael Doughty


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 23:45:18
https://twitter.com/jackcoops99/status/1620502967421116418?s=46&t=aFPl1T3y9CaxWuZIZeu9Bw

Wow! Watch this. There’s rumours of an ex player investing.

Guess who!!

I guess you haven't read back or listened to Radio 5 Live a short while ago  ;)

The Wiltshire Pirlo will be STFC's CSO - Chief Sustainability Officer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 23:47:44
Haven’t watched the video but I’m gonna guess it Michael Doughty

You're so psychic DiV. Gonna start calling you Nostradivmus, Eileen Divery, Septic DiV. Take your pick man, I don't know how you do it?̣  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 12:08:56
I guess you haven't read back or listened to Radio 5 Live a short while ago  ;)

The Wiltshire Pirlo will be STFC's CSO - Chief Sustainability Officer

Actually quite an interesting conversation https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hnjk (18.25 in) not sure where the rumour he is investing has come from, but good stuff he is involved all the same.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 15:57:59

Actually quite an interesting conversation https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hnjk (18.25 in) not sure where the rumour he is investing has come from, but good stuff he is involved all the same.


Aye, I listened to it last night  :) I think when Doughty first put his Instagram post up he was going to announce it today so left an open teaser. That led to speculation that he may be investing, (in some capacity) but then an hour later he was on 5Live with Colin Murray and explained the news he had.

Yep, it's good to see him involved. I wonder what the agreement is though?! Are the club paying Doughty a fee to be CSO or is Doughty "investing" so to speak? Since he does own a footwear business, it could be that some of his Hylo stuff starts appearing. It would be a good ice breaker (no pun intended) when discussing climate change and other responsible collective actions so he can show what his products are doing in helping to play a part in that.

Although these are interesting for different reasons;

Dated April 2021 so things may have improved since then...

https://directory.goodonyou.eco/brand/hylo-athletics


From the Hylo horses mouth (their website)...

https://hyloathletics.com/pages/impact

https://hyloathletics.com/pages/accountability


MSA Report 2021...

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0272/8928/8804/files/Modern_Slavery_Act.pdf?v=1638813636


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 16:30:21
I'm hazarding a guess we've got at least one more year left on the Puma deal but you'd think after that there is a strong chance Hylo are the kit makers, even if that isn't currently the plan in place.

Would be good to have a unique manufacturer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 17:21:54
I'm hazarding a guess we've got at least one more year left on the Puma deal but you'd think after that there is a strong chance Hylo are the kit makers, even if that isn't currently the plan in place.

Would be good to have a unique manufacturer.
100%


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 17:39:22
I'm hazarding a guess we've got at least one more year left on the Puma deal but you'd think after that there is a strong chance Hylo are the kit makers, even if that isn't currently the plan in place.

Would be good to have a unique manufacturer.

They appear to be the first-team travel wear partner for next season so maybe some tracksuits and stuff in the club shop?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 19:18:46
Do they make anything beyond bloody expensive trainers (having not bought trainers for over 10 years £140 a pop may be the going rate now?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 19:39:28
Do they make anything beyond bloody expensive trainers (having not bought trainers for over 10 years £140 a pop may be the going rate now?)

You could always grab yourself a pair of these...absolute bargain  :(

https://www.printemps.com/uk/en/balenciaga-zen-sneakers-in-synthetic-leather-white-men-6047280?

or not feel the societal pressure of the modern "Love Island" viewer and just buy these...  :nod:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lonsdale-Men-Benn-White-Navy/dp/B013R9I60Q/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 4, 2023, 07:12:39
Solar panels on the new Stratton Bank roof!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/02/clubs-dont-take-it-seriously-enough-does-football-really-want-to-tackle-climate-crisis


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, February 4, 2023, 07:44:15
I’m no expert but surely solar panels on the 2 main stands would provide more leccy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, February 4, 2023, 08:03:26
I suppose that will be a part of each stands development. Was the intended order Bank, TE, Arkells, DRS?

Thinking about it, it’s a bit odd that the majority of newish stadia are not covered in solar panels.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 4, 2023, 08:10:07
Yeah, it is odd. They’d probably produce enough to power the floodlights for a season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 16:42:31

Not Uber interesting, has a thankyou and a small Zav clip from karachi

https://twitter.com/RahiSultan/status/1623004192699822119?t=YMjieXMFcp4QtTTg-c6LQQ&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 16:45:32
Not Uber interesting, has a thankyou and a small Zav clip from karachi

https://twitter.com/RahiSultan/status/1623004192699822119?t=YMjieXMFcp4QtTTg-c6LQQ&s=19


Nowt to do with the club though  :D, just Zav using our name to push a side project. Nothing fishy to see here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 16:49:49
and our coach.

on the face of it it's a nice thing to do. but there are one of two red flags

anyway, been round the blocks on this one...
---
one thing I've not seen. Mr Hart is now listed as performance director. Is he now employed by the club, or is it a non exec unpaid position (i.e. he's contacted in as consultant)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 16:56:23
good question- im sure it was sold as he was 'helping out a bit' with the strength and conditioning side when previously raised.

possibly wont find out the  full truth, a bit like Zavs fit and proper test results.... still no doubt another important question similar to taking the knee will find its way through to this months AB.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 17:46:19
Solar panels on the new Stratton Bank roof!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/02/clubs-dont-take-it-seriously-enough-does-football-really-want-to-tackle-climate-crisis

Should have some Windmills on top as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 19:57:47
...still no doubt another important question similar to taking the knee will find its way through to this months AB.

Surely it's about time a serious question was raised to the AB about where all the Twine, McKirdy & James Brophy munney has gone?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 20:00:19
Probably reducing our debt by £5m


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:25:49
Surely it's about time a serious question was raised to the AB about where all the Twine, McKirdy & James Brophy munney has gone?

Are you serious ? do you not think it is re-invested against debt and the playing squad ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:43:53
Probably reducing our debt by £5m

I mean the Twine and Brophy money will be long gone... and I can't imagine the McKirdy money was that much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:57:21
Surely it's about time a serious question was raised to the AB about where all the Twine, McKirdy & James Brophy munney has gone?

C-, must try harder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 10, 2023, 13:18:07
We're spending money on players and reducing our overall debt. Lee Power-esque, it is not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, February 10, 2023, 23:54:54
Fucking hell, you lot seriously got wooshed on that!

I thought mentioning "Brophy" in that, would quite clearly tell you I was taking the piss.

Sinker. Hook. Line. Those three words come to mind but won't get any of you within 10sqft (3sqm) of SN1 ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 08:25:49
Fucking hell, you lot seriously got wooshed on that!

I thought mentioning "Brophy" in that, would quite clearly tell you I was taking the piss.

Sinker. Hook. Line. Those three words come to mind but won't get any of you within 10sqft (3sqm) of SN1 ;)

That is so clever, you have done them all, well done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 08:31:52
Am I right in thinking that before the Eady Estate decided to finance the entire JV the Trust had already managed to raise their 50%? If so, what are they going to do with the £1m+ they’ve got sloshing around?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 08:36:04
Am I right in thinking that before the Eady Estate decided to finance the entire JV the Trust had already managed to raise their 50%? If so, what are they going to do with the £1m+ they’ve got sloshing around?

I believe they had committed to raise the £1m+ but hadn't actually raised any money towards it.  It would have had to come from members.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 08:36:48
Fucking hell, you lot seriously got wooshed on that!

I thought mentioning "Brophy" in that, would quite clearly tell you I was taking the piss.

Sinker. Hook. Line. Those three words come to mind but won't get any of you within 10sqft (3sqm) of SN1 ;)

Calling the club tinpot and doubting the owners on another thread and then claiming you were fishing on this thread...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 09:01:52
I believe they had committed to raise the £1m+ but hadn't actually raised any money towards it.  It would have had to come from members.

Was that via the 'shares' being sold for £19.69 or something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 09:11:51
Am I right in thinking that before the Eady Estate decided to finance the entire JV the Trust had already managed to raise their 50%? If so, what are they going to do with the £1m+ they’ve got sloshing around?

I asked a Trust member we have on our WhatsApp group, he said "I don't think those figures are entirely right, they seem excessive as to what we have in the bank"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 09:33:55
Was that via the 'shares' being sold for £19.69 or something?

Yes it would have been via the shares, remember 19.69 was the lowest amount people can give.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 09:37:30
I asked a Trust member we have on our WhatsApp group, he said "I don't think those figures are entirely right, they seem excessive as to what we have in the bank"

The last set of accounts had c£90k in and the AGM is next month.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 09:40:10
Plans have obviously changed since but the Trust 2018 AGM made mention of £1m match funding.
Community shares were the preferred option at the time.

https://truststfc.com/2018/03/23/2018-agm-summary/

https://truststfc.com/2019/03/21/trust-agm-summary-2019/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 09:58:15
The last set of accounts had c£90k in and the AGM is next month.

Enough to get Michael Reddy on loan I'd say! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 14:53:13
That is so clever, you have done them all, well done.

It's ok, your missus gave me a gold star this morning after thanking me for my efforts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 15:02:10
Calling the club tinpot and doubting the owners on another thread and then claiming you were fishing on this thread...

Are you not capable of being able to separate your thoughts?

I can give a negative opinion on one hand and be having a laugh somewhere else...are you incapable of that? Unless you have hyperfocus or some other condition then I apologise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 15:03:36
Was that via the 'shares' being sold for £19.69 or something?

Yep, I believe around the £20 mark was mooted at the initial stages mate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 17:18:27
Are you not capable of being able to separate your thoughts?

I can give a negative opinion on one hand and be having a laugh somewhere else...are you incapable of that? Unless you have hyperfocus or some other condition then I apologise.

What a bellend


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 18:26:05
What a bellend

What a well thought out and rounded response. Very well rounded indeed. Somewhat, like a phallus. Funny that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 18:39:50
What a well thought out and rounded response. Very well rounded indeed. Somewhat, like a phallus. Funny that.

That's a very short post for you. 👏

Your very condescending in all of your responses.

If you critise the board, that's fine. But if you criticise the board in one place and then do the same in another but that one was a joke how can anyone tell the difference.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 18:44:51
I’m no expert but surely solar panels on the 2 main stands would provide more leccy?

I'd go as far as saying solar on Stratton Bank would be utterly pointless unless the panels were inclined on the declined roof 🤨

Agree with others that it is strange that I can't think of any other new build stadiums in the UK with prominent solar on the roof. I'm all for it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 19:23:32
That's a very short post for you. 👏

Your very condescending in all of your responses.

If you criticise the board, that's fine. But if you criticise the board in one place and then do the same in another but that one was a joke how can anyone tell the difference.


I'll drop you a DM but in the words of Gav Gunning 'Thank you' ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 19:50:40
I'd go as far as saying solar on Stratton Bank would be utterly pointless unless the panels were inclined on the declined roof 🤨

Agree with others that it is strange that I can't think of any other new build stadiums in the UK with prominent solar on the roof. I'm all for it

The north stand would be pointless, for obvious reasons. The south stand excellent,Naldo for obvious reasons.

Naldo? WTFINaldo?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 20:20:27
I'd go as far as saying solar on Stratton Bank would be utterly pointless unless the panels were inclined on the declined roof 🤨

Agree with others that it is strange that I can't think of any other new build stadiums in the UK with prominent solar on the roof. I'm all for it

I noticed the other day that Franklin Gardens, the Northampton rugby stadium has solar panels, found this article about it.

https://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/news/solvius_roll_out_ultra_thin_solar_panels_at_northampton_saints_stadium


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 20:30:39
Galatasaray are ahead of the game plus our old rivals down the M4

 https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/10/03/green-galatasaray-turkish-football-giant-saves-almost-400000-from-its-solar-roof

https://www.evoenergy.co.uk/case-study/ashton-gate-stadium/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 20:30:43
SB would be ok, since it is East facing. Not optimum as the South facing stand but no harm in incorporating PV panels on the East, West and of course Southern stands.

Let's get past the initial hurdle of getting a roof on the SB first though I guess?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2023, 10:27:13
Assume we are not planning to get to the play off's this season then?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo1yPZZWcAMsHRu?format=jpg&name=small)

All a bit tin pot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 13, 2023, 10:35:46
Scamdro will be scouting for talent :D- 2 birds with 1 stone. Cash in the coffers and exciting signings for our 3rd season scraping the barrel in the basement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2023, 11:37:27
The club under Fitton did a really good "play on the pitch"  - full matchday experience - kit, changing rooms, warm up with the teams announced, music, the lot. Should have been a couple of ex pros playing too when I dd it - but diggers and bodin pulled out leaving Phil King.

It was brilliant.

Doing this seems like a good if not quite as good thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Monday, February 13, 2023, 11:55:22
The club under Fitton did a really good "play on the pitch"  - full matchday experience - kit, changing rooms, warm up with the teams announced, music, the lot. Should have been a couple of ex pros playing too when I dd it - but diggers and bodin pulled out leaving Phil King.

It was brilliant.

Doing this seems like a good if not quite as good thing.

I did this years ago (pre-Fitton).  Scoring at the Town End was great!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, February 13, 2023, 11:55:39
Yeah, cousin from Oz was over in 2009/10 and took part in the play on the pitch thing & thoroughly enjoyed it.
Austin and Sheehan were the "managers". Both took it seriously, put the cones out as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, February 13, 2023, 12:12:11
Assume we are not planning to get to the play off's this season then?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fo1yPZZWcAMsHRu?format=jpg&name=small)

All a bit tin pot.
A bit of a shocker and hardly sending out the right messages. Makes it feel like the club are assuming we won’t be in the play-offs, do they actually think before they post this stuff?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 13, 2023, 12:13:15
Or they’re confident of the autos!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, February 13, 2023, 12:35:29
Or they’re confident of the autos!
Think that would fall in the delusional category.

It's odd timing but does indicate that most are now in agreement that this season is probably done with 17 games left!    Which is a sad indictment of the football decisions made this year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, February 13, 2023, 12:37:56
Can't see many tickets being shifted for the Harrogate game. Shame.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, February 13, 2023, 12:42:55
Can't see many tickets being shifted for the Harrogate game. Shame.

I guess it depends on the next two games, but if we don’t pick up at least 4 points then I think you’re right


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, February 13, 2023, 19:23:00
Can't see many tickets being shifted for the Harrogate game. Shame.

I’ve shifted my two season tickets 😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, February 13, 2023, 20:18:45
https://twitter.com/sn1insider/status/1625226146492063753?s=46&t=sUewKOWFVOZOSxRK5SU0sA

Apologies if this is on the wrong thread in advance…
but this is brilliant and much needed 😂😂 Why shouldn’t a panel of Swindon fans talk about the Swindon technical director who was in charge of a miserable transfer window. Topman for asking whoever he is, about time someone rocked the boat on there. Usually the only one who dare say anything slightly against the club/team in a constructive way  but speaks complete sense is a lady called Jo, rest of them come across as puppets to me….

Never taken these Monday panels seriously, or the OSC as a whole, whoever vetts the AB Qs and let the one in ahout taking the knee was absolutely embarrassing 😂- saying that, this is the same OSC who couldn’t achieve some kind of official status as they had nothing about race equality  (something along them lines anyway) in their code of conduct/ethics  (again, something along then lines).. They don’t ask half of the things that should be asked/get asked on here. I Remember coming out Doncaster and Grimsby and hearing a few of these that appear on panel unhappy at the the fact fans were singing Scott Lindsey’s name - because the town end was signing the opposite the week before 😂.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 13, 2023, 20:36:08
https://twitter.com/sn1insider/status/1625226146492063753?s=46&t=sUewKOWFVOZOSxRK5SU0sA

Apologies if this is on the wrong thread in advance…
but this is brilliant and much needed 😂😂 Why shouldn’t a panel of Swindon fans talk about the Swindon technical director who was in charge of a miserable transfer window.



Holding people to account shouldn't be seen as a negative. Asking the person responsible for overseeing Football Operations to explain why football operations are failing is a valid point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 13, 2023, 20:45:20


Holding people to account shouldn't be seen as a negative. Asking the person responsible for overseeing Football Operations to explain why football operations are failing is a valid point.

Literally any negativity or challenging comment no matter how warranted is immediately shut down by a section of our fans who would just prefer to pretend its sunshine and rainbows all the time. Constantly. Its fucking tiresome.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, February 13, 2023, 20:50:43
soapy tit wank, that clip is superb and on the money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 13, 2023, 23:35:29

Assume we are not planning to get to the play-offs this season then?

All a bit tin pot.


Even with my conjectured and projected final league table in another thread, from the POV of the club and STFC being only 3pts off the POs with...*checks* 17 games to play, this seems incredibly short-sighted. Nothing wrong with wanting to make a bit more money but this is odd for the dates it falls on.

The timing as you suggest, is all rather a bit odd when the much more lucrative carrot should be firmly in the club's sights and grasp. Other than being unintentionally negative, this just makes for more admin (when there's limited personnel anyway) down the line, which in itself is makes this bizarre. If Town do get in the POs they'll be rearranging/rebooking new dates for fans to play on SN1, remarketing and promoting new dates, which of course all costs time and money. It feels like the best intentions are there but the PO elephant in the room has been totally discarded, as if the Town mathematically could only finish outside the POs.

Maybe they've seen my PPG Final Table, considering they are very data driven*. Perhaps it's worth the gamble to "go with the data" based on finishing below 7th and make c£20k gross (eg £900pp x 22 = £19.8k) for this oddly dated "Play on the Pitch" initiative :hmmm:





*High japes indicator fellas, high japes!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 08:16:18
Even with my conjectured and projected final league table in another thread, from the POV of the club and STFC being only 3pts off the POs with...*checks* 17 games to play, this seems incredibly short-sighted. Nothing wrong with wanting to make a bit more money but this is odd for the dates it falls on.

The timing as you suggest, is all rather a bit odd when the much more lucrative carrot should be firmly in the club's sights and grasp. Other than being unintentionally negative, this just makes for more admin (when there's limited personnel anyway) down the line, which in itself is makes this bizarre. If Town do get in the POs they'll be rearranging/rebooking new dates for fans to play on SN1, remarketing and promoting new dates, which of course all costs time and money. It feels like the best intentions are there but the PO elephant in the room has been totally discarded, as if the Town mathematically could only finish outside the POs.

Maybe they've seen my PPG Final Table, considering they are very data driven*. Perhaps it's worth the gamble to "go with the data" based on finishing below 7th and make c£20k gross (eg £900pp x 22 = £19.8k) for this oddly dated "Play on the Pitch" initiative :hmmm:





*High japes indicator fellas, high japes!

It says for the whole week, so would games be played every day? If so that an extra £140k. It does seem odd though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 09:23:43
Literally any negativity or challenging comment no matter how warranted is immediately shut down by a section of our fans who would just prefer to pretend its sunshine and rainbows all the time. Constantly. Its fucking tiresome.

100% agree. A Swindon town fan panel, from the official Swindon town  supporters club, censoring a topic that needs discussing about Swindon town.

Incredible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 09:32:37
100% agree. A Swindon town fan panel, from the official Swindon town  supporters club, censoring a topic that needs discussing about Swindon town.

Incredible.

Typical of the OSC. They wouldn't be critical of jed, diamond's, sue grey and bob holt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 09:42:15
Typical of the OSC. They wouldn't be critical of jed, diamond's, sue grey and bob holt.

Fucking splitters!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 09:49:01
Typical of the OSC. They wouldn't be critical of jed, diamond's, sue grey and bob holt.

Well, in fairness you have made up two of those names…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 09:55:07
soapy tit wank, that clip is superb and on the money.

It really isn’t.

Sandro doesn’t set the ambition of the club & I can’t imagine for one second he’s has 100% of the decision on all players movements.

If the ambition is being questioned (valid) it should be directed at Clem surely?
If the transfers are being questioned (valid) it should be directed at Sandro, our Chief scout and manager (well, this one if we’d had the same manager all season)

I would be truly amazed is Sandro was running the whole football operation & making all the decisions with no input from anyone else


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:00:30
So what does Les Caffrey do?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:02:42
So what does Les Caffrey do?

He's our chief scout/head of 1st team recruitment I think. (taken off his Linkedin, he doesn't appear to be on the 'who's who' on the club website.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:02:54
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/town-announce-sandro-di-michele-as-new-technical-director/


Swindon Town Football Club are delighted to announce the appointment of Sandro Di Michele as the club’s new Technical Director. Di Michele joins the club having previously worked as a consultant for EFL and National League clubs.

In his last role, Di Michele was Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic playing a key role in the club’s recruitment ahead of them going on to be crowned League One Champions in April.

In his new role, Di Michele will oversee all football operations including recruitment, medical, analysis, the academy and will work closely with The Head Coach and Chief Executive Officer Rob Angus.







The person overseeing football operations is who the buck stops with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:02:54
So what does Les Caffrey do?

Tweet, mostly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:04:33
So what does Les Caffrey do?

HE DOES WHATEVER SANDRO TELLS HIM TO DO…

In all seriousness, I get the questioning of Sandro but it’s getting a bit witch hunty. I’m not convinced he is the sole decision maker on a lot of things being questions of him.

As I said - the phone in guy asking Sandro to clarify the ambition of the club. That’s not in his remit. That’s not something he sets.
It’s like someone asking me what the ambition / future plans are for the Royal Mail. No good asking me, I just work there!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:13:33
https://twitter.com/sn1insider/status/1625226146492063753?s=46&t=sUewKOWFVOZOSxRK5SU0sA

Apologies if this is on the wrong thread in advance…
but this is brilliant and much needed 😂😂 Why shouldn’t a panel of Swindon fans talk about the Swindon technical director who was in charge of a miserable transfer window.

While I agree with you, I'm not sure the OSC are the right vehicle for that to be done. They have always been, for want of a better phrase "happy clappy". It needed the very possible extinction of the FC to get them to be openly critical of things.

And I don't have a problem with that. They see their role as *supporters* club. Any criticism is likely to get them the LSPod cold shoulder treatment anyway.

But that's not to say the questions shouldn't be made. Far from it.

We did used to have a militant Trust, but the relationship between club and them is different these days. And look, its not all bad  - ground purchase JV and so on. I'm sure they would argue you can put questions to them at any time, but for some reason I don't feel comfortable.

IMO Clem needs to start owning this. He's been quiet all season. Nobody has a clue what his intentions are in the mid-long term. No view of the vision

e.g. Are we following the U23 recruitment out of necessity financially. If so, are we looking to continue that when we reach financial stability or is this the only we we can see for keeping the lights on.

Too much to ask?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:14:10
HE DOES WHATEVER SANDRO TELLS HIM TO DO…

In all seriousness, I get the questioning of Sandro but it’s getting a bit witch hunty. I’m not convinced he is the sole decision maker on a lot of things being questions of him.

As I said - the phone in guy asking Sandro to clarify the ambition of the club. That’s not in his remit. That’s not something he sets.
It’s like someone asking me what the ambition / future plans are for the Royal Mail. No good asking me, I just work there!
Nah he’s a clear problem at the club and deserves all the criticism he gets. It’s needs to be clarified whose man he is (which of the hangers on) as I don’t believe he was Clem’s choice and why he was deemed appropriate for the job. He has overseen complete destruction of last seasons squad, replacing very few of them with anything resembling the same quality and has done nothing but portray an image of being a complete chancer!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:14:18
He's our chief scout/head of 1st team recruitment I think. (taken off his Linkedin, he doesn't appear to be on the 'who's who' on the club website.

Looks to have done some good work scouting Lavinier and presumably others.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:18:53
Nah he’s a clear problem at the club and deserves all the criticism he gets. It’s needs to be clarified whose man he is (which of the hangers on) as I don’t believe he was Clem’s choice and why he was deemed appropriate for the job. He has overseen complete destruction of last seasons squad, replacing very few of them with anything resembling the same quality and has done nothing but portray an image of being a complete chancer!

So if he’s nothing to do with Clem - why is he employed at the club Clem owns?

…and again, you are suggesting he is the only decision maker when it comes to recruitment. Why do we have scout or even a manager?
You obviously know the day to day goings on / responsibilities at our football club a lot better than I do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:20:33
Looks to have done some good work scouting Lavinier and presumably others.

…are you suggesting he scouts all the good signings and Sandro signs all the bad ones?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:22:58
You obviously know the day to day goings on / responsibilities at our football club a lot better than I do.

Nobody really has a clue about it.

You even get directors listed in programs without official announcement.  I suspect that isn't necessarily a negative - consultant non-exec as part of a firm hired by the club, etc.

But of course people wonder when a few reformed characters appear at a club staright after Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:24:40
…are you suggesting he scouts all the good signings and Sandro signs all the bad ones?

No. I only know one that I think he scouted Lavinier.

I kind of assumed Sandro searches and passes it on to the scouts/manager.  I think that's how it was descirbed.

Fuck knows what happened in the window that we now need to dredge the free agent list.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:26:52
So if he’s nothing to do with Clem - why is he employed at the club Clem owns?

…and again, you are suggesting he is the only decision maker when it comes to recruitment. Why do we have scout or even a manager?
You obviously know the day to day goings on / responsibilities at our football club a lot better than I do.
Because clearly not every decision is fully Clem’s the whole Kiely thing and all the other murky characters needs to be explained as currently it’s all clear as mud. There’s nothing in the public domain that suggests Ralph is remotely qualified for the position he is in so leads to obvious question of why he is at the club. He’s recently been forced by Clem and Angus to mention the word promotion after basically saying his only interest was selling players for a profit, hardly a sign of joined up thinking across the club’s hierarchy!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:28:59
Nobody has a clue what his intentions are in the mid-long term. No view of the vision


Yup. Have asked this multiple times on the Questions for the Advisory board thread but theyd prefer to ask about taking the knee than what the medium to long-term aims are for the club (which are promised on the front page of the slide show each month!)



We seem to have more people calling the shots than those listed on the websites whos who. Not very transparent


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:31:28

Fuck knows what happened in the window that we now need to dredge the free agent list.

TBH probably the most factually correct thing that's been said in this entire thread (and the plethora of ones which all say the same).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:36:23
I hate to use the T word but despite the pledge about it, there are so many chinese whispers and confusion going around that I really don't think it's being used as it probably should be. Yes, they answer questions in Advisory Boards but that hasn't stopped the endless questions, queries and doubts swilling around the fans of the club - the last few pages of this thread backs that up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:39:03
I hate to use the T word but despite the pledge about it, there are so many chinese whispers and confusion going around that I really don't think it's being used as it probably should be. Yes, they answer questions in Advisory Boards but that hasn't stopped the endless questions, queries and doubts swilling around the fans of the club - the last few pages of this thread backs that up.

Tend to agree. I do think a few folk are getting themselves a bit worked up with believing every rumour that comes out, but there's clearly a bit of smoke around no matter how serious the fire might be, and it would be helpful if the club put some more effort into communicating with the fans. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:42:12
Nobody really has a clue about it.

You even get directors listed in programs without official announcement.  I suspect that isn't necessarily a negative - consultant non-exec as part of a firm hired by the club, etc.

But of course people wonder when a few reformed characters appear at a club staright after Power.

I think the top line is the key to what I’m saying.
Yes, there is a lot to question but I’m not sure all of those questions need to be directed at Sandro.  Some perhaps but the way some go on you’d think he was running the club like Diamond Mike.

No. I only know one that I think he scouted Lavinier.

I kind of assumed Sandro searches and passes it on to the scouts/manager.  I think that's how it was descirbed.

Fuck knows what happened in the window that we now need to dredge the free agent list.

I also assume our recruitment process has slightly more to that Sandro does a spreadsheet (like a lot imply) you’d think he’d come up with a pool of players and then our scout / manager would then look further into that pool of players and decide on the best player / the most suitable player etc

It almost feels like both our windows this season has been ruined by a previously happy player deciding last minute they want to move to Scotland. In both cases they haven’t been adequately replaced which is why creating/scoring (McKirdy) and no nonsense defending (MacDonald) have been our downfalls post window.

Questionable how last minute those were. Like the talk on here would indicate we knew MacDonald wanted to go so whilst the deal to let him go might have been last minute - knowing he wanted to go wasn’t last minute.

Shipping out two midfielders who were out of contract at the end of the season and not first team regulars for some money. No issues with that myself.

Our window wasn’t perfect though. The timing of the managerial change (from a window perspective) was shite as well but I fully get why we didn’t sack Lindsey and hang on for the compo.



Because clearly not every decision is fully Clem’s the whole Kiely thing and all the other murky characters needs to be explained as currently it’s all clear as mud. There’s nothing in the public domain that suggests Ralph is remotely qualified for the position he is in so leads to obvious question of why he is at the club. He’s recently been forced by Clem and Angus to mention the word promotion after basically saying his only interest was selling players for a profit, hardly a sign of joined up thinking across the club’s hierarchy!

There are definitely some murky characters and definitely some questions that need to be asked but I think we are being very short sighted if we are aiming EVERYTHING at Sandro.
I’m not saying he’s exempt from having questions asked of him, far from it but club ambition and the model are decisions that should be coming from above him and he’s acting out (for good or for bad)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:50:40
We should be due some more advisory board notes shortly (the last set were on January 17th) and I'd expect them to cover a fair bit, but some of these questions *are* being asked (whether they're satisfactorily answered is another matter)

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We are grateful to Clem for saving the club from the previous incumbent and we appreciate the direction the club is going in terms of stability and ownership of the ground. However as a senior season ticket supporter i would like the club to answer in which direction the on field objective is going. Are we basing stability around bringing in relatively untried youngsters, developing them and then selling at a profit or are we genuinely trying to produce a football team that can be competitive over several seasons?

The first scenario requires a virtual rebuild every season, some years with relative success like last season but invariable will often produce variable results although we might find a gem to develop and sell. The second scenario relies on keeping the vast majority of a proven squad and adding a few where required to maintain a competitive team capable of promotion push.

As long as i am alive my season ticket purchase is not in doubt however i would like the club to be open and honest so that supporters can adjust their expectations if we are perusing a Crewe Alexander type model. For what its worth i would be very disappointed if our ambition was stability and ground purchase at the cost of on the field competitiveness. It would be nice to see my Swindon have a couple of promotions before i pop my cloggs.

CM is keen to build a sustainable Club both on and off the field- promotion is the aim this year.

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When will Clem realise that tippy tappy won't get us promoted!

Clem is determined the Club progresses up the Divisions, and signing Charlie Austin is a statement of intent to that effect.

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I re-purchased a season ticket this year, after not renewing under Lee Power several years ago. I have absolute faith in what is going on with the club behind the scenes so wanted to add my support and money to that. However, the football on offer at the county ground this season is very poor, it’s slow and predictable, lacking any real ambition. I travel for games and takes up majority of my Saturday, time away from my family and other responsibilities. As fans we are fickle, sadly the results have not backed up the style of play, but if it’s like this all season it will be difficult to justify renewal purely on enjoyment value.

I will absolutely support the club financially with one off games and shirts etc but I hope by the time you’re asking us to renew there is a significant improvement from Scott’s tactics or a change in direction happens sooner rather than later as I fear I am not the only one considering if they will renew or not

CM reiterated that it is his desire for promotion, and with Charlie now back, we should see a few changes!



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 10:53:48
I hate to use the T word but despite the pledge about it, there are so many chinese whispers and confusion going around that I really don't think it's being used as it probably should be. Yes, they answer questions in Advisory Boards but that hasn't stopped the endless questions, queries and doubts swilling around the fans of the club - the last few pages of this thread backs that up.

But transparency is a two way street, yes certain matters need clarification, but its clear that for parts of the fan base, if what the club says does not tie in with the rumours they have heard or their ingrained positions they will just cry bullshit and start berating the club for perpetrating a cover up or the like.

Its honestly just a fucking great big mess and I honestly don't really see what can sort it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 11:09:12
On a personal level there are 3 things I would like clarification on.

1. What has caused the series of admin hiccups regarding signing/not signing players and appointing staff?

2. Why is there such a time lapse in announcements?

3. Why have a significant number of both players and staff wanted to leave the club?


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 11:12:22
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But transparency is a two way street, yes certain matters need clarification, but its clear that for parts of the fan base, if what the club says does not tie in with the rumours they have heard or their ingrained positions they will just cry bullshit and start berating the club for perpetrating a cover up or the like.

Its honestly just a fucking great big mess and I honestly don't really see what can sort it.
Fair comment.

Take the transfer policy. If they said "look, this is the only way we can afford to run the club at the moment. We think it can get promotion and the profits can be reinvested into infrastructure in the near term, then into a more traditional recruitment approach  in a couple of years."

Half would say fair enough. Honesty.
Half would say "no ambition".

I can see that. But saying nothing is as bad IMO.

If Morris can turn this around and show success next season then at least some of it goes away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 11:34:24
Well, in fairness you have made up two of those names…

Predictive text on my pho9ne, but, what's your point??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 11:40:05
Fair comment.

Take the transfer policy. If they said "look, this is the only way we can afford to run the club at the moment. We think it can get promotion and the profits can be reinvested into infrastructure in the near term, then into a more traditional recruitment approach  in a couple of years."

Half would say enough. Honesty.
Half would say "no ambition".

I can see that. But saying nothing is as bad IMO.

If Morris can turn this around and show success next season then at least some of it goes away.

Personally I think that's very well summed up Batch. I think the general malaise of this season and the slow ebbing away of goodwill from the honeymoon season last year where we were so close to getting promoted and probably now face another season in the bottom tier is really eating away at fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 12:27:44
I recently read a former managers book, in it he said the key to successful transfer policy is that 3 out of 4 signings work out. I would argue we are nowhere near that ratio at the moment. This also means we are stuck with huge amounts of players taking up wages with another year left.

This is our transfer business since Sandro came onboard, is that good use of our budget?

The pieces also don’t seem to fit together as any sort of thought out formation.

Oscar Massey – Development player
Sol Brynn – Successful signing
Tyrese Shade – Not done enough to hold down a place
Reece Devine - Injured
Cian Harries – Injured and not convinced
Ciarán Brennan – Almost called back and not convinced
Jake Wakeling – Started well but has burnt out
Tom Clayton – Successful signing
Remeao Hutton – Successful signing
Ronan Darcy – Jury is out
Tomi Adeloye – What data was used for this signing?!
Saidou Khan - Successful signing, but spent too long suspended
Angus Macdonald – Marque signing, but already gone
Frazer Blake-Tracey - Successful signing
Conor Brann - Development player
Rushian Hepburn-Murphy – Signs of a good player but injured and suspended
Luke Jephcott - Not done enough to hold down a place
Marcel Lavinier – Good player but path to first team blocked
Morgan Roberts - Development player or not good enough?
Charlie Austin – Known quantity, but not Sandro’s man
Jake Cain – Too early to tell
Dylan Kadji – recommendation from Morris, not Sandro’s man
Joe Tomlinson – Injured, Panic signing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:15:57
Personally I’d be placated if we received truthful answers to the following 10 questions:

1. Zav Austin - why the radio silence on his fit and proper person test result. If he has failed as is the suspicion should he have any involvement in the club now?

2. Building on the above, factoring in work permits etc what real tangible benefit does the Karachi project led by Austin bring to the club? It was an odd endeavour at the start and remains odd.

3. Adam Hart - seemingly now on the clubs payroll in some operations role, this combined with his previous directorship at an Austin company suggests there’s more to his involvement at the club than has been previously explained. What is his new role?

4. Chris Kiely - appeared as a director but radio silence from the club on him. Why is he here, has he invested and what role is he filling.

5. Ralph - how did he get the job? Who recommended him and what were the credentials that led to him being identified as as the right appointment for the club? Where does he sit in the decision making hierarchy? What are his KPI’s to demonstrate success?

6. Clem is 100% owner but has he had 100% decision making ability up until recently? Are there any other silent individuals who have had influence over the club’s decisions. Has there been some hangover from the old regime?

7. Is the club struggling cash flow wise as it has felt like a fire sale at times.

8. Why does the clubs back of house (media, customer service, stewards etc) remain so shambolic, there’s been no noticeable improvement over the 18 months and if anything it’s got worst.

9. How does the club’s recruitment strategy align with being a successful football team, that remains the primary purpose of our existence does it not? We shouldn’t be operating purely to exist, we should be spending the money we do have to give us the best chance of being successful on the pitch each season. The best form of player development is playing in successful teams and learning from better players, this also makes players more likely to stay. Having a team full of inexperienced youngsters takes away a lot of this and is actually detrimental to the development of players as they lose confidence like we are seeing now.

10. Morris comes in with a much greater pedigree than Lindsey. Has he been given more licence to do what he wants and bring in his own players? If yes, does this not make Ralph redundant and instead we need a DoF with a footballing background to help with negotiations etc like Chorley and even Jewell in the past?


To be honest if items 1 to 5 were removed from the equation I’d largely be happy and remove some of my doubts. But having convicted career criminals and professional gamblers in the club’s hierarchy raises all sorts of red flags for me. With the history we have there just can’t be any grey areas or shady characters involved in the running of the club as it’s always going to lead to suspicion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:26:49
Personally I’d be placated if we received truthful answers to the following 10 questions:

1. Zav Austin - why the radio silence on his fit and proper person test result. If he has failed as is the suspicion should he have any involvement in the club now?

2. Building on the above, factoring in work permits etc what real tangible benefit does the Karachi project led by Austin bring to the club? It was an odd endeavour at the start and remains odd.

3. Adam Hart - seemingly now on the clubs payroll in some operations role, this combined with his previous directorship at an Austin company suggests there’s more to his involvement at the club than has been previously explained. What is his new role?

4. Chris Kiely - appeared as a director but radio silence from the club on him. Why is he here, has he invested and what role is he filling.

5. Ralph - how did he get the job? Who recommended him and what were the credentials that led to him being identified as as the right appointment for the club? Where does he sit in the decision making hierarchy? What are his KPI’s to demonstrate success?

6. Clem is 100% owner but has he had 100% decision making ability up until recently? Are there any other silent individuals who have had influence over the club’s decisions. Has there been some hangover from the old regime?

7. Is the club struggling cash flow wise as it has felt like a fire sale at times.

8. Why does the clubs back of house (media, customer service, stewards etc) remain so shambolic, there’s been no noticeable improvement over the 18 months and if anything it’s got worst.

9. How does the club’s recruitment strategy align with being a successful football team, that remains the primary purpose of our existence does it not? We shouldn’t be operating purely to exist, we should be spending the money we do have to give us the best chance of being successful on the pitch each season. The best form of player development is playing in successful teams and learning from better players, this also makes players more likely to stay. Having a team full of inexperienced youngsters takes away a lot of this and is actually detrimental to the development of players as they lose confidence like we are seeing now.

10. Morris comes in with a much greater pedigree than Lindsey. Has he been given more licence to do what he wants and bring in his own players? If yes, does this not make Ralph redundant and instead we need a DoF with a footballing background to help with negotiations etc like Chorley and even Jewell in the past?


To be honest if items 1 to 5 were removed from the equation I’d largely be happy and remove some of my doubts. But having convicted career criminals and professional gamblers in the club’s hierarchy raises all sorts of red flags for me. With the history we have there just can’t be any grey areas or shady characters involved in the running of the club as it’s always going to lead to suspicion.

Good post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:31:23
Literally any negativity or challenging comment no matter how warranted is immediately shut down by a section of our fans who would just prefer to pretend its sunshine and rainbows all the time. Constantly. Its fucking tiresome.
It works both ways though mate, as fans it gets tiresome seeing every fucking decision the club make just get battererd. I don't mean you here either. I have said hundreds of times this season that the club have royally fucked up this season, behind the scenes seems like its a mess and i think the goodwill the club had last year has gone, they have thrown all that away over the last 6 months. They need to come out and be public facing and answer some absolutely genuine questions but when people like myself come on and try and be balanced you get accused of being a happy clapper and burying your head in the sand.

When the club do answer some questions they are just met with abuse. If i was the owner i would be selling up at the end of the season , who knows maybe Zav and the others can buy it off him because i wouldn't wanna be running a club that's for sure


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:32:38
Personally I’d be placated if we received truthful answers to the following 10 questions:

1. Zav Austin - why the radio silence on his fit and proper person test result. If he has failed as is the suspicion should he have any involvement in the club now?

2. Building on the above, factoring in work permits etc what real tangible benefit does the Karachi project led by Austin bring to the club? It was an odd endeavour at the start and remains odd.

3. Adam Hart - seemingly now on the clubs payroll in some operations role, this combined with his previous directorship at an Austin company suggests there’s more to his involvement at the club than has been previously explained. What is his new role?

4. Chris Kiely - appeared as a director but radio silence from the club on him. Why is he here, has he invested and what role is he filling.

5. Ralph - how did he get the job? Who recommended him and what were the credentials that led to him being identified as as the right appointment for the club? Where does he sit in the decision making hierarchy? What are his KPI’s to demonstrate success?

6. Clem is 100% owner but has he had 100% decision making ability up until recently? Are there any other silent individuals who have had influence over the club’s decisions. Has there been some hangover from the old regime?

7. Is the club struggling cash flow wise as it has felt like a fire sale at times.

8. Why does the clubs back of house (media, customer service, stewards etc) remain so shambolic, there’s been no noticeable improvement over the 18 months and if anything it’s got worst.

9. How does the club’s recruitment strategy align with being a successful football team, that remains the primary purpose of our existence does it not? We shouldn’t be operating purely to exist, we should be spending the money we do have to give us the best chance of being successful on the pitch each season. The best form of player development is playing in successful teams and learning from better players, this also makes players more likely to stay. Having a team full of inexperienced youngsters takes away a lot of this and is actually detrimental to the development of players as they lose confidence like we are seeing now.

10. Morris comes in with a much greater pedigree than Lindsey. Has he been given more licence to do what he wants and bring in his own players? If yes, does this not make Ralph redundant and instead we need a DoF with a footballing background to help with negotiations etc like Chorley and even Jewell in the past?


To be honest if items 1 to 5 were removed from the equation I’d largely be happy and remove some of my doubts. But having convicted career criminals and professional gamblers in the club’s hierarchy raises all sorts of red flags for me. With the history we have there just can’t be any grey areas or shady characters involved in the running of the club as it’s always going to lead to suspicion.
Brilliant post that is. Have you sent this across to the club or the trust. Theres no reason they shouldn't ask them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:35:49
That's more than 10 questions  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:49:54
Brilliant post that is. Have you sent this across to the club or the trust. Theres no reason they shouldn't ask them
I’ve sent them scatter gun to various advisory boards but I’ll send them to the Trust to raise. 

Obviously it sometimes comes across as fans being needy but I do feel it’s important these are addressed as Fitton apart we’ve had 3 decades of shady owners. So if the club preaches transparency it needs to follow that through even if we won’t like the answers. It would be nice to to just air all the dirty laundry, explain the struggles that have gone on behind the scenes and move on from a clean slate, it would instantly improve the atmosphere amongst fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:49:54
Brilliant post that is. Have you sent this across to the club or the trust. Theres no reason they shouldn't ask them

Is that a serious post? This is almost exactly my concerns and 1-5 are top of them.

The football side approach I'm not convinced by, but that doesn't make me right to be concerned if that makes sense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:06:28
They need to come out and be public facing and answer some absolutely genuine questions but when people like myself come on and try and be balanced you get accused of being a happy clapper and burying your head in the sand.

Fans asking hard questions & expecting  / wanting answers is absolutely fine. They care about the club.
It's the us & them approach, in some cases, that goes with it that I find puzzling.
"Them" being the fans who don't ask the questions & are maybe more glass half full in outlook, or might take a better the devil you know viewpoint for example.
They care about the club as well.

There is no right or wrong way. Both standpoints are equally valid, or should be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:12:13
Is that a serious post? This is almost exactly my concerns and 1-5 are top of them.

The football side approach I'm not convinced by, but that doesn't make me right to be concerned if that makes sense.
Yeah definetly a serious post


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:36:15
Another week, another new sponsor. This time it’s the Matchday Attendance Sponsor.

Good grief!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:39:36
I guess many small sponsors add up and bring club engagement with the local community. Presumably we are talking modest amounts, and that's good for smaller business.

But I have completely lost track!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:44:29
Who's our corner flag sponsor?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:47:30
Well, at least it’s something we seem to be particularly good at.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 15:01:06
Clubs have had sponsored subs for a while now.
We've only just started doing the same.
Can't be a huge amount given the dodgy PA system.

If it moves then sponsor it seems to be the way to go which is fair enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 15:04:39
Another week, another new sponsor. This time it’s the Matchday Attendance Sponsor.

Good grief!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/electric-center-join-swindon-town/

As part of the agreement with the football club, Electric Center will have branding on our matchday attendance graphics across our social media channels, along with PA system announcements for the remaining games at the County Ground this season.

I see they have corrected this now, rather than PA system, it said 'tannoid'. I suspect very few people notice, probably like the people in the ground whenever there is anything announced over the 'tannoid' given it's not really fit for purpose. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:24:47
Personally I’d be placated if we received truthful answers to the following 10 questions:

1. Zav Austin - why the radio silence on his fit and proper person test result. If he has failed as is the suspicion should he have any involvement in the club now?

2. Building on the above, factoring in work permits etc what real tangible benefit does the Karachi project led by Austin bring to the club? It was an odd endeavour at the start and remains odd.

3. Adam Hart - seemingly now on the clubs payroll in some operations role, this combined with his previous directorship at an Austin company suggests there’s more to his involvement at the club than has been previously explained. What is his new role?

4. Chris Kiely - appeared as a director but radio silence from the club on him. Why is he here, has he invested and what role is he filling.

5. Ralph - how did he get the job? Who recommended him and what were the credentials that led to him being identified as as the right appointment for the club? Where does he sit in the decision making hierarchy? What are his KPI’s to demonstrate success?

6. Clem is 100% owner but has he had 100% decision making ability up until recently? Are there any other silent individuals who have had influence over the club’s decisions. Has there been some hangover from the old regime?

7. Is the club struggling cash flow wise as it has felt like a fire sale at times.

8. Why does the clubs back of house (media, customer service, stewards etc) remain so shambolic, there’s been no noticeable improvement over the 18 months and if anything it’s got worst.

9. How does the club’s recruitment strategy align with being a successful football team, that remains the primary purpose of our existence does it not? We shouldn’t be operating purely to exist, we should be spending the money we do have to give us the best chance of being successful on the pitch each season. The best form of player development is playing in successful teams and learning from better players, this also makes players more likely to stay. Having a team full of inexperienced youngsters takes away a lot of this and is actually detrimental to the development of players as they lose confidence like we are seeing now.

10. Morris comes in with a much greater pedigree than Lindsey. Has he been given more licence to do what he wants and bring in his own players? If yes, does this not make Ralph redundant and instead we need a DoF with a footballing background to help with negotiations etc like Chorley and even Jewell in the past?


To be honest if items 1 to 5 were removed from the equation I’d largely be happy and remove some of my doubts. But having convicted career criminals and professional gamblers in the club’s hierarchy raises all sorts of red flags for me. With the history we have there just can’t be any grey areas or shady characters involved in the running of the club as it’s always going to lead to suspicion.

Hasn't the club answered most of these questions before? You maybe didn't like the answer or it wasn't detailed enough for you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:29:01
Hasn't the club answered most of these questions before? You maybe didn't like the answer or it wasn't detailed enough for you?
Nope. No real clarity on any of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:32:58
They certainly answered number 2 by deflecting to Zav, not sure you will get any further answers to that one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:37:20
Nope. No real clarity on any of them.

It gets a bit boring, you asking the same questions. Most have been asked, an answer has been given. If you don't like the answers then, oh well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:40:42
It gets a bit boring, you asking the same questions. Most have been asked, an answer has been given. If you don't like the answers then, oh well.
They haven’t answered them though. We’ve never received Zav’s FPPT result, the ‘new’ role of Adam Hart hasn’t been announced, the involvement of Kiely hasn’t been clarified. These are quite important.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:42:41
Will be interesting to see where we place in the next fan engagement index.

As it stands, I suspect that we are one of the more transparent clubs in the EFL given the advisory board etc.
I note that fan advisory boards look to have been mandated in the PL now.

Maybe the great thirst for information is a bounce back from the droughts of the Power regime?
Having said that, there are very legimate questions that need to be addressed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:43:20
Also, the problem with asking any questions of Ralph is that you won't really get any answers of substance, and why would you?  If someone asks me questions which are clearly pointed at suggesting I am either under qualified or not performing, I'm never going to respond by telling them they are right. 

Unlike DV, I think it is very clear he has a lot of responsibility for the recruitment and development of football Ops (Austin's signing was so clearly not his doing - so Clem can and will jump in, but infrequently).  The only way of judging his performance, as fans, is what we manage to produce in terms of squads under his tenure.  This one looks ramshackle - it's lacking the right type of experience (yes, experienced players can be shit) to support consistency in performance, disjointed in the positional cover, full of "rough diamopnds" with far too little emphasis on immediate needs etc.  That's all opinion though, mine.  He's not going to agree with me.  Clem will make decisions based on whether we hit the right levels of performance - and only then can we determine what those targets were.  If we miss the play offs this season, I'd expect Ralph to be long gone before we sign our next player.  If he isn't (and we missed out) then it speaks loudly of what we value.  Equally, if we get promoted, Ralph can rightly tell people like me to shut the fuck up (and we won't!).

That's what it boils down to in the end - forums are for us to mouth off.  Better here than at a game.  I can be sensible in plenty of other places.  Right now, Ralph looks unqualified and is shit at his job.  He's not the only one, but if putting out a decent squad to win games is the main aim of a football club, he has put himself squarely in the firing line.  The club shop may also be a mess, but I'm not about to spend my time being too worried about who runs it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:44:17
They haven’t answered them though. We’ve never received Zav’s FPPT result, the ‘new’ role of Adam Hart hasn’t been announced, the involvement of Kiely hasn’t been clarified. These are quite important.

The fit and proper test, have you asked anyone to confirm? If nothing has been announced I'm assuming it's ongoing but it has dragged on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:48:47
The fit and proper test, have you asked anyone to confirm? If nothing has been announced I'm assuming it's ongoing but it has dragged on.

Yes and it’s radio silence, just an ‘ongoing’ holding statement. It doesn’t take 18 months to get a result, he’s a convicted fraudster and money launderer. It would be farcical if he did pass as they are literally the worst offences someone could commit in relation to running a football club. So either say we aren’t bothering or he failed, don’t just brush it off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 16:55:39
What I would say is that its impossible to judge Ralph without knowing the parameters he has to work with.

If he's had more money than last season, which you'd expect, its not looking good.
But who knows what wage structure is now in place and what recruitment policies have been placed upon him.

We don't. Probably wont ever.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:00:29
They haven’t answered them though. We’ve never received Zav’s FPPT result, the ‘new’ role of Adam Hart hasn’t been announced, the involvement of Kiely hasn’t been clarified. These are quite important.

A lot of these questions have been asked previously and answers provided (I know because I asked them). Adam Hart doesn't have a new role is was an error on his job title on that leaked attendee list. This question was asked today at the AB by me and Clem answered it, it will be in the AB minutes in the next week or so. Some of the other questions in this list were also asked and responses will be in the minutes in the next week. Also the OSC asked quite a few fan questions today which will also be in the minutes.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:00:57
What I would say is that its impossible to judge Ralph without knowing the parameters he has to work with.

If he's had more money than last season, which you'd expect, its not looking good.
But who knows what wage structure is now in place and what recruitment policies have been placed upon him.

We don't. Probably wont ever.
I’m guessing we will get to see full accounts now rather than the usual abridged ones so that will probably reveal all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:03:07
A lot of these questions have been asked previously and answers provided (I know because I asked them). Adam Hart doesn't have a new role is was an error on his job title on that leaked attendee list. This question was asked today at the AB by me and Clem answered it, it will be in the AB minutes in the next week or so. Some of the other questions in this list were also asked and responses will be in the minutes in the next week. Also the OSC asked quite a few fan questions today which will also be in the minutes.

That’s a good start as it had all got a bit vanilla with the advisory board recently so good to see the more difficult questions are being asked again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:08:52
That’s a good start as it had all got a bit vanilla with the advisory board recently so good to see the more difficult questions are being asked again.

It does take people to ask the Trust/OSC questions for them to actually ask them, crazy I know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:13:06
That’s a good start as it had all got a bit vanilla with the advisory board recently so good to see the more difficult questions are being asked again.

The questions I posted earlier are from last month's minutes. The questions are being asked at the Advisory Board, whether or not people read them (or are happy with the answers) is another matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:14:01
A lot of these questions have been asked previously and answers provided (I know because I asked them). Adam Hart doesn't have a new role is was an error on his job title on that leaked attendee list. This question was asked today at the AB by me and Clem answered it, it will be in the AB minutes in the next week or so. Some of the other questions in this list were also asked and responses will be in the minutes in the next week. Also the OSC asked quite a few fan questions today which will also be in the minutes.




Fair enough


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:16:51
The questions I posted in this post (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=58890.msg1722525#msg1722525) are from last month's minutes. The questions are being asked at the Advisory Board, whether or not people read them (or are happy with the answers) is another matter.

The minutes are definitely being read.

The answers never please everyone. But all you can do is ask then either accept or wait and see if the actions match.

As long as they aren't brushed off


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:56:02
The other issue as well that i have not really thought about is just how many people are really asking these questions. Theres what 10 people on here and even if you were generous and said 100 on twitter, for a club getting over 9k a week would you feel you had to answer the questions of a very small minority every time they ask?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 18:19:46

As I said - the phone in guy asking Sandro to clarify the ambition of the club. That’s not in his remit. That’s not something he sets.
It’s like someone asking me what the ambition / future plans are for the Royal Mail. No good asking me, I just work there!

No disrespect but that really isn't a fair comparison. You're not likely to be a senior partner at Royal Mail nor one of their TDs or COO. Sandro is essentially Town's COO. If you were the COO of RM, then I think you would probably have an idea of or be involved with conversations about the direction and strategy of the business. No doubt that would involve things like innovation, AMBITION, success, and so on.

Whilst I agree that would be Clem's job to mainly answer that specifically, he has clearly employed SdM to do the leg work for him - a common theme in business structure...top down ethics; you try and pass the workload downwards but yes the buck still will stop with the most senior ranking members/partners.

Rightly so, you shouldn't know everything going on a RM if an employee in some capacity. You wouldn't be expected to know contract negotiations or details of an incoming partner/executive until maybe very close to the time. Even then, most employees wouldn't care so long as they are being looked after.

Your example was a poor one DV. SdM will/should know much more than you are evading him credit for ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 18:55:00
The other issue as well that i have not really thought about is just how many people are really asking these questions. Theres what 10 people on here and even if you were generous and said 100 on twitter, for a club getting over 9k a week would you feel you had to answer the questions of a very small minority every time they ask?

Based on that, about 1% opinion/question rate does seem low. Then again, when you consider YouGov and similar collect data on public opinion, it's only around 2000 people (yes it's spread across the country). Based on that, YouGov recover about 0.003% of public opinion each time. So even though it's a small minority at Town, maybe 1% could be argued as quite high  ::)

I hope we bloody win tonight x


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 19:07:03
Anyone else’s spidey senses tingling that the excuse for Harts ‘promotion’ is the same as the last time  a shady figure was given an important title out of nowhere (Kiely)



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 19:13:25
Yeah where did that come from anyway was anywhere official or on that sheet for the visitors game


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 20:04:32
Yeah where did that come from anyway was anywhere official or on that sheet for the visitors game

You not mixing that up with Agent Nichol?

Tomlinson's Agent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 20:16:30
There were approx. 25 questions asked today at the AB, we get more than that between the OSC and Trust but a lot are duplicates.
The club also receive questions in via their contact channels so these get added and then published in the minutes.
Also questions come in to the supporters email address at the club which get answered as they come in, so in general the number of questions are increasing month on month which is great and the club always answer them and never have they refused to answer any.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 15:26:58
Cheers Jan


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:09:27
Hearing season tickets on the rise next year. Going to be a tough sell for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:11:33
Hearing season tickets on the rise next year. Going to be a tough sell for the club.

Good luck with that one!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:19:04
Hearing season tickets on the rise next year. Going to be a tough sell for the club.

The soapiest of titwanks. I am wondering how they'll spin it to convince the public to part with even more of their hard earned. I guess they do have a PR Bullshitter who can advise.

#PlaceBetsNow


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:23:50
Hearing season tickets on the rise next year. Going to be a tough sell for the club.

Sandro can do one of his bullshit spin speeches where at the end we should feel lucky to be given the option of buying an ST!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:26:14
Hearing season tickets on the rise next year. Going to be a tough sell for the club.

Cannot be justified.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:31:51
Hearing season tickets on the rise next year. Going to be a tough sell for the club.

Oh FFS.

Why don’t you say ‘I have heard from/been told by’ that season tickets are going up next season. To add even more gravitas you could actually say by how much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:39:35
Think we will struggle to sell half this years total- a lot of fans disillusioned with what’s on offer on the pitch


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:41:33
Think we will struggle to sell half this years total- a lot of fans disillusioned with what’s on offer on the pitch
I do hear this often but us fans are fickle. We just had 9400 at home despite the shit we have served up recently. We would still sell over 4k at least i reckon


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:42:25
Didn't we still sell about 3,500 when Power was at his terrorist worst pre covid?

A lot of fans still buy no matter what.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 16:55:04
It does seem resilient, but can't be taken for granted.

Power's final season was what 6.2K crowds? Maybe that was post COVID worries, but 9K can be undone (and has, historically).

A lot of us bitch and moan and threaten not to renew. Most of us do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 17:00:20
Feels like crowds will definitely start tailing off.

The fall from grace from that special day at Walsall in May to where we are now in just 9months is pretty incredible, and sad to see.

Goodwill for the new ownership is pretty much drying up now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 21:17:00
I’ll renew but unless we show a marked change of direction the other half won’t renew hers. She doesn’t have the same affiliation to the club as I have, she just goes to enjoy the football and hates the boring academy stuff we’ve seen this season so will only go if there is a suggestion big changes will be made to the approach.

I would imagine there’s more people in a similar position than we imagine with partners and even kids who don’t have STFC in their blood yet who just don’t enjoy it and don’t want to waste their Saturdays anymore.

Factor in the cost of living and a significant reduction in sales is very possible this time round.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 21:40:14
I see PWR Perfomance (Mcfarlane training systems) is now providing sports science to Crawley Town.

Ricky McFarlane is sports scientist at STFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 22:02:15
I see PWR Perfomance (Mcfarlane training systems) is now providing sports science to Crawley Town.

Ricky McFarlane is sports scientist at STFC

McFarlane been present all season in dugout with his IPad. Since Crawley link up he’s not been here for last two games, guessing he’s working at Crawley on match day instead. One of the other PWR guys is still here I think (in the dugout).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 22:48:35
McFarlane been present all season in dugout with his IPad. Since Crawley link up he’s not been here for last two games, guessing he’s working at Crawley on match day instead. One of the other PWR guys is still here I think (in the dugout).
Hart has been conspicuous by his absence as well hasn’t he?!


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 23:41:39
Quote
I see PWR Perfomance (Mcfarlane training systems) is now providing sports science to Crawley Town.

Ricky McFarlane is sports scientist at STFC

The Crawley we lost our manager and vice captain to 🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boeta on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 04:56:07
Hart has been conspicuous by his absence as well hasn’t he?!

He was down as Operations Director on the boardroom list when Morris/Brand attended the Gillingham game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 06:03:26
He was down as Operations Director on the boardroom list when Morris/Brand attended the Gillingham game.

I'm sure I read somewhere (possibly Janairplaneman on here) about that being an error on the club's part and it wasnt the case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 07:52:00
A lot of these questions have been asked previously and answers provided (I know because I asked them). Adam Hart doesn't have a new role is was an error on his job title on that leaked attendee list. This question was asked today at the AB by me and Clem answered it, it will be in the AB minutes in the next week or so. Some of the other questions in this list were also asked and responses will be in the minutes in the next week. Also the OSC asked quite a few fan questions today which will also be in the minutes.
That’s what he said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 08:18:01
There were approx. 25 questions asked today at the AB, we get more than that between the OSC and Trust but a lot are duplicates.
The club also receive questions in via their contact channels so these get added and then published in the minutes.
Also questions come in to the supporters email address at the club which get answered as they come in, so in general the number of questions are increasing month on month which is great and the club always answer them and never have they refused to answer any.

thanks Jan, look forward to reading.

any ETA on the 5/10 year plan thats promised every month?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 09:14:08
thanks Jan, look forward to reading.

any ETA on the 5/10 year plan thats promised every month?
No worries :-)
I asked for an update on the 5/10 year plans and Rob and Clem are still working on them, will update when they are complete and they will be published in the AB minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 09:54:43
Hopefully when the plans are revealed they don't become yet another stick to beat the club with.
They certainly will be if the plans are not realised.

Possibly best to concentrate on the projected off field progression with a vague nod or two to on field aspirations.

Including getting of L2 in the 10 year plan might not go down too well.

Or just say, fuck it, Premier League by year 10.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 10:20:42
More like a 10 year plan to get out of league2 🤣


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 10:22:42
They will be used to beat to the club by some, but if you are sane you have to assume 5/10 plans won't run smoothly. That's true of everyone, everywhere.

They do at least provide an intent though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 10:25:31
Mmmmmm. Breast.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 10:49:52
No worries :-)
I asked for an update on the 5/10 year plans and Rob and Clem are still working on them, will update when they are complete and they will be published in the AB minutes.

Great, thanks



They will be used to breast to the club by some, but if you are sane you have to assume 5/10 plans won't run smoothly. That's true of everyone, everywhere.

They do at least provide an intent though.


Exactly, its football at the end of the day things arent going to go exactly as planned- would be boring if it did.

Its definitely about the intent though- times are hard, fans are backing the club in numbers on the understanding we are going for Promotion. The actions in the transfer window suggest otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 10:57:50
I mean I'm not expecting the club to say 'yeah promotion is going to be tricky, but we have to keep the lights on somehow'.

But it would be good to know why we are ignoring a large part of the recruitment market. If it's financial, which is the only reason I can think of, so be it.

Whether what we have can work will be largely personal opinion right now

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 11:00:33
Just to confirm.
Some say this is normal.
Unfortunately with our history we are bound to be asking questions.
The minutes for the next meeting hopefully will give us a few answers.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 11:11:13
Just to confirm.
Some say this is normal.
Unfortunately with our history we are bound to be asking questions.
The minutes for the next meeting hopefully will give us a few answers.



Outsourcing professional services is the norm in literally any business, and I suspect will become even more common in lower league clubs who don't want the on-costs of employing such staff on the books.

This is half of the problem whatever the club does the default setting is now suspicion and trial by social media.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 11:16:08
Talking of outsourcing professional services, can we get the Social Media guy from Bowers & Pitsea?

https://twitter.com/Bowerspitseafc/status/1625612185844973568

Think that would go down better than #wegoagain


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 11:18:21
Hopefully you are right.

When it involves characters of previous dubious behaviour the alarm bells ring a bit.

That's very unfair without knowing anything I admit. People change


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 11:26:52
Outsourcing professional services is the norm in literally any business, and I suspect will become even more common in lower league clubs who don't want the on-costs of employing such staff on the books.

This is half of the problem whatever the club does the default setting is now suspicion and trial by social media.

Agreed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 11:55:56
Maybe this is why Chelsea don’t want Brand to leave

‘ Jon Harley has today left his role within the Chelsea Academy to become assistant first team coach at Portsmouth.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 12:04:13
Hart has been conspicuous by his absence as well hasn’t he?!

Think Hart is still here, plus he wasn’t ever in the dugout this season from what I remember, Mcfarlane however definitely has been- he’s a unit. Guessing he’s been working with Lindsey and co at Crawley last few weeks. We’ve got two S&C guys listed on website, one of them was there on Tuesday I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 12:23:58
Maybe this is why Chelsea don’t want Brand to leave

‘ Jon Harley has today left his role within the Chelsea Academy to become assistant first team coach at Portsmouth.’

Also this though
https://twitter.com/chelseayouth/status/1624356673648205826


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 12:28:49
So Chelsea think he's going. Makes you wonder how we’ve fucked this one up so far. Last in a long list of tin pot admin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 12:29:34
I reckon it's a 10 Things I Hate About You type situation - someone has decided we can't finalise the Brand appointment until Reece Devine is fit to play.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 13:42:19
Seeing the back of the current s&c arrangement would be a good thing. Yes?

Given that Morris has raised concerns about fitness?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 13:46:37
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/im-passionate-meet-the-cashed-up-sydney-plumber-who-bought-swindon-town-590999

He kind of alludes to a potential 5/10 year plan here which will delight the million dollar man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 14:09:21
Jody Morris on Ed Brand:

I have been told so many times it will be done today. It is a collective blame. We are trying to cover our end, but there are areas that need to be looked into and might not be the priority for some. I wish I had better information, but I don't know if anyone does


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 14:09:40
He’s getting pissed off isnt he.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 14:30:05
He’s getting pissed off isnt he.

Very much so, seems rather amateurish from our side......


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 14:35:25
Yet Clayton mentions Brand in the training sessions so he is obviously getting some input.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 14:40:39
Yet Clayton mentions Brand in the training sessions so he is obviously getting some input.

He’s been on the training pitch ever since Morris was announced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 14:44:35
Very much so, seems rather amateurish from Chelsea's side......

Sorted that one for you. ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:22:50
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/im-passionate-meet-the-cashed-up-sydney-plumber-who-bought-swindon-town-590999

He kind of alludes to a potential 5/10 year plan here which will delight the million dollar man.

The Aussie development thing had been hinted at before I think and is probably a decent idea BUT, just like this focus on rough diamonds, we really need to invest in the infrastructure at the club first - both soft and hard - people and processes plus actual facilities.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:39:40
Clayton:

I think it has been good. He's probably up there with one of the best coaches I have worked with, him and Ed. We are still possession based, but he wants some different things that might take time.

The intensity was the big one for me, maybe coming back from injury made that harder. The transitions and winning the ball back has been the big one.



I did say recently that the players were unfit when Morris arrived and we were likely to be poor to begin with but improve once fitness improved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:57:46
Clayton:

I think it has been good. He's probably up there with one of the best coaches I have worked with, him and Ed. We are still possession based, but he wants some different things that might take time.

The intensity was the big one for me, maybe coming back from injury made that harder. The transitions and winning the ball back has been the big one.



I did say recently that the players were unfit when Morris arrived and we were likely to be poor to begin with but improve once fitness improved.
But we played with fatigue in preseason and Lindsey said it would make us the fittest team in the league.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 16:23:27
The Aussie development thing had been hinted at before I think and is probably a decent idea BUT, just like this focus on rough diamonds, we really need to invest in the infrastructure at the club first - both soft and hard - people and processes plus actual facilities.

Hopefully Morris will have a word or two to say about the training facilities etc given his background.
Would have expected the same from Artell as well had he been appointed.

Will be interesting to see if there are plans for a dedicated training centre long term, or just a case of sticking plasters for Calne & concentrate on the CG.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 16:26:54
But we played with fatigue in preseason and Lindsey said it would make us the fittest team in the league.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Lindsey definitely took that one straight out of ''Flitcroft's 1001 Things About Microwaves''. Whilst i'm desperately anticipating the release of ''Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Box Entries'' by SL - Football Manager.

Plus there's a fantastic fictional novel soon to hit the sporting ''Great Reads'' shelf in Waterfordstones next month - ''Power Out is a compelling story of a once heroic chairman and saviour of a clutch of football clubs who gets hounded out of each one to only then play victim as a battle for ownership ensues''. Literary masters commented:

''This is what football is about, we didn't get on. I'm an entrepreneur by the way'' - Callum Muller Rice
''I let bygones be bygones. Best story ever, I'll buy everyone a pint it's so fakkin rawwrrr'' - Jedd McCroaryy
''I was the manager. No actually, I was just doing a favour...great read'' - Tim Sherwould
''One of the most interesting people I've happily bought dinner for'' - Shawwwwn Hodgetts
''I worked there briefly. He was so hard done by. Can't really remember my role though'' - Zangeetah Shah
''A knockout tale of a man's struggle to run a club. We've got copies translated into Urdu'' - Zav/Xav Austen

Get your copy of ''Power Out - One Man's Struggle '' pre-ordered before it sells out on April 1st...  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 16:45:40
But we played with fatigue in preseason and Lindsey said it would make us the fittest team in the league.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Running your nurs off in preseason makes you fitter, just ask anyone that played under Macari


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 20:56:01
Running your nurs off in preseason makes you fitter, just ask anyone that played under Macari
We’re clearly not very fit though, it’s shown in countless matches this season and Morris keeps mentioning it. Lindsey was clearly just talking nonsense to try and mask a shambolic preseason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 22:46:29
We’re clearly not very fit though, it’s shown in countless matches this season and Morris keeps mentioning it. Lindsey was clearly just talking nonsense to try and mask a shambolic preseason.

Absolutely, I was agreeing that he got it wrong.
The first week of training should be running, running & more running


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 23:25:40
The red flags were there pre season when Lindsey  said how important it was to get a winning culture going...
We could not even achieve that ... Simply put SL was full of crap.  Nice guy possibly Full of BS definitely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 00:09:10
Saying you want to achieve something but not actually being able to achieve it isn’t bullshit. It’s just not being good enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Friday, February 17, 2023, 02:49:01
Attempting to deceive and mislead by speaking nonsense. Perhaps you have different bullshit where you are.
Stay well


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 06:07:34
Attempting to deceive and mislead by speaking nonsense. Perhaps you have different bullshit where you are.
Stay well

Yes but using your example he wasn’t deliberately trying to device was he?

He didn’t say ‘I want a winning culture’ and then decide he didn’t want one so decided to deliberately lose games did he?

He said ‘I want a winning culture’ because that’s what he wanted. He didn’t deliver but that’s bullshit is it?

I can say. I want to retire at 50. If I can’t afford to is the previous statement bullshit or just something I wanted to do but couldn’t?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 08:01:40
Also, could go in the trivial things thread but does anyone else think we see way too much of our kit men these days?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, February 17, 2023, 08:32:05
Also, could go in the trivial things thread but does anyone else think we see way too much of our kit men these days?

No, they’re a bit of fun


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 17, 2023, 08:33:02
Yes but using your example he wasn’t deliberately trying to device was he?

He didn’t say ‘I want a winning culture’ and then decide he didn’t want one so decided to deliberately lose games did he?

He said ‘I want a winning culture’ because that’s what he wanted. He didn’t deliver but that’s bullshit is it?

I can say. I want to retire at 50. If I can’t afford to is the previous statement bullshit or just something I wanted to do but couldn’t?

Stop being so sensible Div, or should that be different bullshit?  :headhurts:

No, they’re a bit of fun

Not for me at all but people seem to like them so fair enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 17, 2023, 09:21:50
Attempting to deceive and mislead by speaking nonsense. Perhaps you have different bullshit where you are.
Stay well

Like Wellens then, difference being he was actually capable of doing the job and did so


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 17, 2023, 09:41:49
Like Wellens then, difference being he was actually capable of doing the job and did so

I think all football managers WANT to create a winning culture. Actually doing it is the hardest thing. I don't think it's being full of crap, it's just not having the right ingredients to do it for whatever reason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 15:26:06
Ed Brand still not sorted then


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 15:37:29
Beyond a joke now. What on earth is going on at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, February 17, 2023, 15:43:54
It's not necessarily the club though.   He's on the training ground but isn't allowed in the dug out for whatever reason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:17:16
FRIDAY STATEMENT

Swindon DNA stuff this.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/club-statement-an-update-on-assistant-head-coach-ed-brand/?fbclid=IwAR04_D-4uebam_l0wTko75rNIAg_MkFcbrzM17-ECSeXuEryHYv2NsRTh9g

Quote
Swindon Town Football Club would like to take this opportunity to provide fans and the media with an update surrounding delays in the appointment of our Assistant Head Coach, Ed Brand.

It’s been well documented over the past few weeks that since First-Team Head Coach Jody Morris took over, his chosen number two has been unable to fulfil his role at the club thus far.

Following Jody’s arrival at the County Ground, a secondment between Premier League side Chelsea, where Ed has been an academy coach since 2008, and Swindon Town, was agreed by both clubs.



Given the arrangement between ourselves and Chelsea, there is a detailed application process we must go through to comply with all contractual and legal regulations, which then requires sign off by the appropriate football associations and governing bodies.

In order to bring Ed into the football club at the earliest opportunity, we submitted these documents alongside Chelsea to the FA, Premier League and the EFL, but the approval process has taken longer than anticipated.


As a football club, we recognise the importance of completing all the necessary due diligence and ensuring this particular agreement meets all relevant protocols.

We will continue working with the FA and EFL in the hope we receive final written approval from both respective FA and EFL boards in due course.

Confirms the "on loan" secondment theory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:18:33
So it is a secondment then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:20:21
Secondment.

What the actual fuck


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:22:35
So it is a secondment then.

Make sense after the first three games.
I wouldn’t be leaving a stable job at Chelsea to come sit next to Morris for a couple of months before being out of work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:26:35
There'll have been plenty of times when someone will have left a youth academy to join a lower league side with a "you're welcome back if it doesn't work out" type agreement. I can't see why it needs to be more formal than that though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:27:03
What the fuck.

Should have just appointed Artell ffs, this is a farce.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:28:20
Fuck Off, embarrassment of a club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:32:12
I see PSG are sharing their Football Advisor with Celta Vigo so we appear to be following a trodden path.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:34:39
There'll have been plenty of times when someone will have left a youth academy to join a lower league side with a "you're welcome back if it doesn't work out" type agreement. I can't see why it needs to be more formal than that though.
Eh, what?

Secondment implies still employed by Chelsea.

If I were hazarding a complete and utter guess I'd say we can't afford to buy out his contact or whatever and that we have come to an agreement such that "secondment" means we can somehow employ him after that (maybe he's resigned or maybe it gets around some sort of wage cap)

But a true secondment makes no sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:36:10
Shop for a manager in Selfridges, attempt to do the same with the assistant but baulk at the cost and dive despairing  into the middle of Lidl aisle and try and do something obscure.

At least its comms of sorts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:36:43
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/V7YAAOSw~4taXXwG/s-l500.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:39:02
Cynic alert - announcement delayed until after the monthly AB meeting to give them time to come up with something good to fend off the BARRAGE of queries coming their way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:40:48
Cynic alert - announcement delayed until after the monthly AB meeting to give them time to come up with something good to fend off the BARRAGE of queries coming their way.

If you disillusion a lot of the more challenging fans to the point they can't be arsed anymore, you typically go unchallenged anyway. The Lee Power method.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:44:31
Football side of things is just getting more embarrassing by the day isn’t it? Probably an insult to non league teams to say we’re operating like a non-league club but we’re certainly not coming across as geared up for league football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:54:21
Just appoint a manager with his desired backroom and give him a reasonable budget. If he's successful, you'll make money selling players while you do well.

All this shit with academy coaches and implementing tippy tappy posession shite with a technical director spiv and his magical spreadsheet is just trying to be clever about it all when clearly, it is anything but.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:55:29
I would love to know how loaning a coach works.
Are we paying his wages? A % of his wages?
Is it a fixed term?
How easy is he to send back when we sack Morris? Or would he still be here afterwards?
Can Chelsea recall him? Does he even work here for full time?!
In the highly unlikely event Morris someone comes in for Morris and we decide to take the money does Brand go with him? Do we get compo? Does Morris new club loan him from us who have loaned him from Chelsea? Or would we be stuck with a coach who didn’t want to be here who we don’t actually employ?

…isn’t there anyone else Morris wanted to / could have bought in, in the short term whilst all this shit was being sorted out?

This does not feel like a long term solution with any stability to it what so ever.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, February 17, 2023, 16:56:29
Poverty behaviour


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:01:29
Becoming evident that the club has no money. Another embarrassment for us


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:02:57
I wonder if Jody Morris is on loan from the job centre


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:03:02
Fucking tinpot, how long is Morris going to put up with this shite


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:12:25
If i was a betting man, i would bet on he is gone by the end of the season, not by being sacked, but resigning. I feel sorry for him, i cant help but think he has been fed a load of bull.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:12:40
Fucking tinpot, how long is Morris going to put up with this shite

You'd think he's come into this eyes open.

I agree with Dave though, everything we are doing seems like poverty behaviour. And maybe that's the way it has to be but that leads to the question does Clem need an investment partner?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:16:46
You'd think he's come into this eyes open.

I agree with Dave though, everything we are doing seems like poverty behaviour. And maybe that's the way it has to be but that leads to the question does Clem need an investment partner?

…but…was bringing in Morris poverty behaviour? Signing Charlie Austin?

Maybe it’s just naivety but we should know managers like to bring at least an assistant with them (if not more) and this would have surely come up in Morris’ interview.

Almost feels like we pushed the boat out to get Morris spent all the available budget on him and then when’s he gone ‘I want the assistant you promised me’ we’ve panicked


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:17:17
If i was a betting man, i would bet on he is gone by the end of the season, not by being sacked, but resigning. I feel sorry for him, i cant help but think he has been fed a load of bull.

Saves us paying him off if he resigns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:17:32
You'd think he's come into this eyes open.

I agree with Dave though, everything we are doing seems like poverty behaviour. And maybe that's the way it has to be but that leads to the question does Clem need an investment partner?
But then that leads to the standard Power era question, where’s the money gone? We’ve only paid £100k of historical debt this season so where has the rest of the money gone? Austin aside we’ve gone for a cheap as chips squad, yes we’ve paid a couple of nominal fees but we’ve more than covered that with player sales and with 9k crowds you’d think our income is pretty healthy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:26:45
Maybe it's wage cap related? Who knows


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:27:58
Where has the Luongo Twine money gone?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:47:14
Seems Chelsea  have done this before

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-loan-coach-summer-transfer-24414058.amp


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 17, 2023, 17:55:30
…but…was bringing in Morris poverty behaviour? Signing Charlie Austin?

Maybe it’s just naivety but we should know managers like to bring at least an assistant with them (if not more) and this would have surely come up in Morris’ interview.

Almost feels like we pushed the boat out to get Morris spent all the available budget on him and then when’s he gone ‘I want the assistant you promised me’ we’ve panicked

If anything, to me, it looks like we have an owner who largely lets the team he has put in place run the show, and they are doing so.  Every so often it looks like Clem steps in and takes direct ownership of a decision - Austin, Morris.  They are stand out variations from everything else happening.

I do wonder if we have such niavety in those running the ship that nobody is able to manage up from time to time, or question whether they are on the right path.  Austin was so far removed from everyone else we signed that you'd think the person recruiting would scratch their head and wonder what the fuck just happened.  "Have I got this all wrong?"  "Am in misunderstanding the objectives I thought I had been set?"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 18:16:16
The aim is to make it permanent in the summer, cost of compo etc by all accounts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 18:29:16
Quote from: tans
The aim is to make it permanent in the summer, cost of compo etc by all accounts

where did you hear that.

at least that makes sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 18:54:01
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/02/17/swindon-town-issue-important-coaching-update/

‘Big developments going on behind the scenes’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 17, 2023, 18:59:46
It still sounds complicated 😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:12:45
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/02/17/swindon-town-issue-important-coaching-update/

‘Big developments going on behind the scenes’

"There are big developments going on behind the scenes at Swindon at the moment and I sense myself and the other journalists will be very busy in the coming weeks."

Love an elaboration on that, fucking hell.

Fuck me, what next?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:25:12
One normal day of Swindon please.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:31:22
One normal day of Swindon please.

(https://i.imgflip.com/7bk67m.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:32:16
"There are big developments going on behind the scenes at Swindon at the moment and I sense myself and the other journalists will be very busy in the coming weeks."

Love an elaboration on that, fucking hell.

Fuck me, what next?

Who's the poster in the Adver forum who claims to know what's going on😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:38:55
Where's the Jamie Sendles-White munneh gone??

And to think I got pelters for saying some elements of the club feel a bit tinpot...

Secondment my arse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VxgJC5f8M


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:48:48
The aim is to make it permanent in the summer, cost of compo etc by all accounts
That's not the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:51:29
That's not the case.

Oh dear.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 19:52:49
Quote from: JanAirplaneMan
That's not the case.

so it's a time limited normal secondment?

how long for.

sounds a bit shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, February 17, 2023, 20:05:40
so it's a time limited normal secondment?

how long for.

sounds a bit shit
Yes a time limited secondment of a decent length of time. No way we could afford a coach of brands calibre and Chelsea salary so the loan / secondment approach was suggested. Both Chelsea and Swindon benefit in my view. More experience of real lower league football for brand and he goes back to chelsea a better more rounded coach, and we get a far superior no 2 for jody than we could have ever dreamt of for our budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 17, 2023, 20:13:26
If he's that sought after why Swindon & league 2


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 17, 2023, 20:15:11
Decent length = end of next season?

I guess that would be ok. Provided there are no additional clauses. Though I think we are limited in player loans from 1 club for example.

No idea if this guy is any good, he's only coached youth. But he's Morris choice, which is the important point.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 20:36:27
Any chance we can loan the Chelsea physio?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 17, 2023, 20:52:39
Nothing at our level has any sense or permanency anyway, fine by me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Friday, February 17, 2023, 20:57:11
Who's the poster in the Adver forum who claims to know what's going on😀

Is it the return of Freddi?

Also, have I spelt that right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, February 17, 2023, 21:20:37
It’s nice that Chelsea have leant us Ed to do a bit of voluntary work in
League 2. He can try out some of his ideas and if it all goes tits up can bigger off back to Chelsea under 18’s. 30 years ago Chelsea were paying us compo for a manager. We need to get back to being a proper football club rather than a nursery / feeder. I won’t care about that though if Morris and Ed get us out of this league fingers crossed for tomorrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 07:34:30
It’s not the first time Chelsea have ‘loaned’ out a coach, so it’s not as daft as it sounds.

Does he count as one of our allotted loan players?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:29:23
Decent length = end of next season?

I guess that would be ok. Provided there are no additional clauses. Though I think we are limited in player loans from 1 club for example.

No idea if this guy is any good, he's only coached youth. But he's Morris choice, which is the important point.



I thought it was 9 months, which would expire at the end of the year which would be a strange time for him to leave/be replaced by Graham Rix.

Not entirely sure how accurate that is. (The time frame, not the Graham Rix thing)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:49:15
Surprised more hasn't been made on social media of the 'big' off field developments Whelan's mentioned, but guess it may be watered down as it was mentioned towards end of his opinion piece rather than the main content of his article.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:51:37
Surprised more hasn't been made on social media of the 'big' off field developments Whelan's mentioned, but guess it may be watered down as it was mentioned towards end of his opinion piece rather than the main content of his article.

Yeah, the line worried me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:52:05
Could be great news, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:53:56
Yeah, the line worried me.

Whelan is surely Sandro's soundboard so I doubt it would be anything negative? Unless he's been asked to put that in to take away from the Brand loan deal? Who the fuck knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:55:36
Could be great news, though.

Sandro gone. Zav gone. Dougherty Co-owner. Nw roof magically appears over Stratton Bank overnight and Lee Power loses all his money on what he thought was the Nigerian lottery.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 09:59:37
Whelan is surely Sandro's soundboard so I doubt it would be anything negative? Unless he's been asked to put that in to take away from the Brand loan deal? Who the fuck knows.

Whelan & Sandro certainly seems to be link, so not sure how excited i can get from anything Sandro is teasing, given i'm sure he is a large part of the problem at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:06:34
Had heard this a week or so ago. His wages are huge at Chelsea, would probably make him the highest paid at the club if he was on the same salary here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:13:26
Whelan & Sandro certainly seems to be link, so not sure how excited i can get from anything Sandro is teasing, given i'm sure he is a large part of the problem at the club.

Maybe Zav's Pakistan drug money laundering business (allegedly), I mean the coaching thing has secured big investment.

*this is a joke FYI


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:16:18
Had heard this a week or so ago. His wages are huge at Chelsea, would probably make him the highest paid at the club if he was on the same salary here.

If getting Brand was a deal breaker for Jody Morris and we can't afford his wage/compo then as long as Brand and Morris are happy with the deal then fair enough.

I don't think it's ideal however and certainly doesn't seem to allow continuity on the face of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:18:08
Quote from: Bob's Orange
I thought it was 9 months, which would expire at the end of the year which would be a strange time for him to leave/be replaced by Graham Rix.

Not entirely sure how accurate that is. (The time frame, not the Graham Rix thing)

I'd not heard any length of time beyond Jan's substantial comment.

9 months would be bloody odd unless there's chance of extension. surely it's got to be season long

I agree with Rob that permanency isn't a concept in football, but to actively recruit for it is just...odd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:21:49
Quote from: ThreeDrawsMentality
Surprised more hasn't been made on social media of the 'big' off field developments Whelan's mentioned, but guess it may be watered down as it was mentioned towards end of his opinion piece rather than the main content of his article.

there's nothing to react to without actual details though.

The fact he's said 'busy for the next few weeks' is intriguing.

we can speculate I guess

- given recent transfers have bypassed Top Deck, maybe he's off?
- Clem selling/getting another investor
- the dog and duck revealed as floodlight bulb sponsor

who knows


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:24:16
Maybe Zav's Pakistan drug money laundering business (allegedly), I mean the coaching thing has secured big investment.

*this is a joke FYI

Bloody hope it's a joke anyway!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:34:08
Maybe Zav's Pakistan drug money laundering business (allegedly), I mean the coaching thing has secured big investment.

*this is a joke FYI
Adver Headlines
Xavi finds new East Asian investment

Foo Kin Nowun


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:38:02
Adver Headlines
Xavi finds new East Asian investment

Foo Kin Nowun


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: cdakev on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:41:42
If getting Brand was a deal breaker for Jody Morris and we can't afford his wage/compo then as long as Brand and Morris are happy with the deal then fair enough.

I don't think it's ideal however and certainly doesn't seem to allow continuity on the face of it.

Wouldn't of had this problem with Artell !


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 10:59:16
Wouldn't of had this problem with Artell !

This. A simple appointment of a football manager.

Although he'd be suffering the same shite Sandro January transfer window.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 11:36:37
Bloody hope it's a joke anyway!

White lines for the pitch ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 11:37:12
Maybe you should lend the club your crystal ball then, captain hindsight.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 11:38:40
I've read back a couple of pages and I'm still none the wiser.

Is the current worry that Brand is only on a temporary secondment from Chelsea?

What else was alluded to on Twitter?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 11:42:46
Nmh

1. Yes, a slight worry about the deal to have an on loan assistant, mainly length of secondment.

2. Whelan reports significant changes in club happening, but no details as to nature of said changes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 11:48:21
Whelan is surely Sandro's soundboard so I doubt it would be anything negative? Unless he's been asked to put that in to take away from the Brand loan deal? Who the fuck knows.

Cynic in me thinks that it’s negative. It’s Swindon town. Virtually everyone, including Morris and Austin, are turning on SDM, time for him to deflect. Money issues/old skeletons coming out? Or as this regime like to call it- “legacy issues”.

Never a dull day.

@Jan, is it positive or negative?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 12:22:07
Why would the club hint at something that might be negative?

Of course any major news can always be construed as negative.

Whatever it is, hopefully it won't be enough for some to self combust. I do worry about the wellbeing of the collective.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 12:29:10
Why would the club hint at something that might be negative?

Of course any major news can always be construed as negative.

Whatever it is, hopefully it won't be enough for some to self combust. I do worry about the wellbeing of the collective.

Perhaps Doughty is bringing on board some new investment/investors as part of his role in the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 12:36:47
It was hinted that whatever it is would keep journalists busy for the next few weeks. A mundane announcement of the kind alluded to on here wouldn’t fit that narrative.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 12:48:34
Sandro going and being replaced would be my guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 12:58:14
“Behind the scenes” could mean something to do with the stadium purchase - exchanged contracts recently, so completion and maybe improvement plans revealed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 13:37:20
Are we not looking at the ‘existing time ahead’ with rather a rather blinkered approach?

Who says it’s the men’s team?

Clem has stated that he is committed to the development of the ladies team. Maybe, just maybe the statement refers to that side of things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 13:50:31
Are we not looking at the ‘existing time ahead’ with rather a rather blinkered approach?

Who says it’s the men’s team?

Clem has stated that he is committed to the development of the ladies team. Maybe, just maybe the statement refers to that side of things.

No offence but i doubt that will keep journalists busy over the next few weeks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 14:33:05
Sandro going and being replaced would be my guess.

…to be replaced by a loan signing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 14:49:06
Sandro going and being replaced would be my guess.

Heard that was happening weeks ago so wouldn’t surprise me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 14:56:44
Had heard this a week or so ago. His wages are huge at Chelsea, would probably make him the highest paid at the club if he was on the same salary here.

You would expect him to be on decent money at Chelsea, Austin was on decent money in Aus and could have earnt more going elsewhere but he has signed for a L2 team and yes, is probably the highest paid but its still L2 pay.

If Brand wanted to come to partner Morris then he would inevitably have to take a L2 ass manager salary as Morris has got a L2 manager salary, do well with Morris they get a big move elsewhere.

Has pompey signed the Chelsea youth coach on secondment as well ? thought not.

If we could not afford the Chelsea compo which means Brand could not leave Chelsea when it would be down to Morris to either find someone else or not take the job without his chosen No 2.

We clearly need more information on this loan clause, is Morris happy with it ? How long is it for ? why have we agreed to it ?  etc etc

Some clarity is needed, and while things are not going so well on the pitch the more questions will be asked, Cleam promised openness and no secrets, now lets hear some from him not Sandro.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, February 18, 2023, 15:08:45
Are we not looking at the ‘existing time ahead’ with rather a rather blinkered approach?

Who says it’s the men’s team?

Clem has stated that he is committed to the development of the ladies team. Maybe, just maybe the statement refers to that side of things.
90% of fans will never have any interest in the women’s side so it would be of no relevance to the majority of our support and therefore journalists wouldn’t waste much time on it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, February 19, 2023, 13:21:23
I wonder whether it's anything to do with the Power v. Standing case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, February 19, 2023, 15:35:34
You would expect him to be on decent money at Chelsea, Austin was on decent money in Aus and could have earnt more going elsewhere but he has signed for a L2 team and yes, is probably the highest paid but its still L2 pay.

If Brand wanted to come to partner Morris then he would inevitably have to take a L2 ass manager salary as Morris has got a L2 manager salary, do well with Morris they get a big move elsewhere.

Has pompey signed the Chelsea youth coach on secondment as well ? thought not.

If we could not afford the Chelsea compo which means Brand could not leave Chelsea when it would be down to Morris to either find someone else or not take the job without his chosen No 2.

We clearly need more information on this loan clause, is Morris happy with it ? How long is it for ? why have we agreed to it ?  etc etc

Some clarity is needed, and while things are not going so well on the pitch the more questions will be asked, Cleam promised openness and no secrets, now lets hear some from him not Sandro.

You say we need more information but I'm not sure we have any right to it. They have said he is being seconded (loaned), I'm not sure what else you want? The terms of the loan, we never get anything apart from the length of loan an then it's a bit more set with players.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, February 19, 2023, 19:30:10
Adver Headlines
Xavi finds new East Asian investment

Foo Kin Nowun


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 13:57:45
Potentially a red herring and likely just cleaning up documents and policies since Clem's come in, but noticed the clubs parent company Swinton Reds had undergone some changes late last year to increase the allotment of shares from 1 to 10,000. Would allow for possibility of part-ownership, and given the sums involved it doesn't look like it's the Dale Vince classic of injecting equity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 14:03:31
I wonder whether it's anything to do with the Power v. Standing case?

Or the FA charge
Or Xav isn't allowed to be whatever he is
Or new investment
Or something ground development related (but unlikely)
Or Sandro is off.
Or all of the above.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 14:05:28
Potentially a red herring and likely just cleaning up documents and policies since Clem's come in, but noticed the clubs parent company Swinton Reds had undergone some changes late last year to increase the allotment of shares from 1 to 10,000. Would allow for possibility of part-ownership, and given the sums involved it doesn't look like it's the Dale Vince classic of injecting equity.

Could it be just so he can invest money in exchange for share capital? e.g. £2M to pay off the debentures.

No idea what I'm talking about though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 14:07:06
Could it be just so he can invest money in exchange for share capital? e.g. £2M to pay off the debentures.

No idea what I'm talking about though.
The timeframe makes sense to be fair. I'm also part of the no idea what I'm talking about club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 14:29:13
…to be replaced by a loan signing?

Nope, getting a trainee in. Mad Gav is going to show them how to staple their bollocks to a table though.

Positives in everything I guess and the data suggests that this approach will have about 5.3% better success rate than SdM.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 15:10:24
If some of the transfers didnt go through because of admin issues, the cash from SDM wages would bt better spent on a team secretary


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 16:39:50
If some of the transfers didnt go through because of admin issues, the cash from SDM wages would bt better spent on a team secretary

Definitely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 17:20:53
Isnt the youth team guy doing that job


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 17:25:20
Where's Clem these days back home or has he stayed for the promotion push!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 19:58:24
Has anyone seen my dead horse? I'm not quite done flogging it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 22, 2023, 13:51:30
Where's Clem these days back home or has he stayed for the promotion push!

I believe he is still here at the moment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Wednesday, February 22, 2023, 13:54:58
Here until mid march I believe


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 11:47:58
Feb Advisory Board minutes out.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-february-2023.pdf

Cliff notes:

-  STFC season ticket pricing for the 2023/24 season was discussed with the OSC and TrustSTFC to provide feedback to STFC with the club aiming to ensure it continues on a financially sustainable footing amidst the background of rising costs (which reads like prices are going up, but how much by is up for discussion)

- To questions with regard to football objectives, CM answered that promotion remains the aim alongside player development. A question was also raised regarding ‘leaks’ of information and CM and RA both noted that this is frustrating for the Club and that confidentiality reminders have been issued to all staff.

- Q: We were told Adam Hart was involved in the club in a purely sports and conditioning perspective. However, a leaked picture from the boardroom guests for the Gillingham game (attached) shows him actually as the Operations Director. Can the club confirm if he is indeed now the Operations Director? A: Role of Adam Hart is of Sports & Conditioning Consultant (this was the only question from fans that might be considered critical - others were about charging for babes in arms and remembering Nigel Eady)


Ed Brand not mentioned in the minutes, nor Chris Kiely or anything to do with Zav/Karachi that I can see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 11:56:48

Ed Brand not mentioned in the minutes, nor Chris Kiely or anything to do with Zav/Karachi that I can see.

repositioning of the kebab van is far more important.  :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:07:44
I thought those questions re Brand and Austin were supposed to asked at the meeting?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:11:35
Has it been confirmed/announced anywhere yet that our Main S&C guy has left for Crawley?


Or is it our very own Secondment saga?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:20:22
Season ticket increase as expected.

Not sure the advisory board is giving the “transparency” clem promised when he took over. Seems to be restricted


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:24:29
When we've got our OSC thinking its acceptable to censor certain topics on 'fan panels', its no surprise certain topics questions get missed. Regardless of what you think of the Trust, they have professional and knowledgable people in their setup, and did incredible work in the 2021 summer ownership saga, the OSC however are just a joke outfit. (they have different roles, I know)

Also... Mental that this Basil Solomon chap from the council has a say in these meetings. This bloke used to be a supply teacher at my secondary school, he doesn't give a flying fuck about Swindon Town, just using the club/swooned the trust for the clout it seems.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:27:38
Has it been confirmed/announced anywhere yet that our Main S&C guy has left for Crawley?


Or is it our very own Secondment saga?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

He hasn’t left - he’s still with us.
His company are working with Crawley.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:28:21
He's not been at the club.


His colleague has. He's been at Crawley.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:37:08
When we've got our OSC thinking its acceptable to censor certain topics on 'fan panels', its no surprise certain topics questions get missed. Regardless of what you think of the Trust, they have professional and knowledgable people in their setup, and did incredible work in the 2021 summer ownership saga, the OSC however are just a joke outfit. (they have different roles, I know)

Also... Mental that this Basil Solomon chap from the council has a say in these meetings. This bloke used to be a supply teacher at my secondary school, he doesn't give a flying fuck about Swindon Town, just using the club/swooned the trust for the clout it seems.



The OSC have always been like that tho, they don't really get involved with the internals of the club however, being the 'Official supporters club', you would think they should be voicing any inputs from fans, certainly not censoring them. Some times it does seem like the BBC political correctness committee.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:41:34
The OSC have always been like that tho, they don't really get involved with the internals of the club however, being the 'Official supporters club', you would think they should be voicing any inputs from fans, certainly not censoring them. Some times it does seem like the BBC political correctness committee.

Yes mate I hear that, hence me saying I get they and trust have different roles, but 100%, they should be airing a lot more fan input and shouldn't even consider censoring stuff - but they do, all the time. No shocks with some of the individuals involved though. The BBC political correctness committee is a nice way of putting it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:56:56
Yes mate I hear that, hence me saying I get they and trust have different roles, but 100%, they should be airing a lot more fan input and shouldn't even consider censoring stuff - but they do, all the time. No shocks with some of the individuals involved though. The BBC political correctness committee is a nice way of putting it.

What did they censor ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 12:58:12
What did they censor ?

A fan tried to moan about Sandro and he was immediately shut down saying that isn't being discussed. Quite funny to see a real time version of what often happens online.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 14:17:32
A fan tried to moan about Sandro and he was immediately shut down saying that isn't being discussed. Quite funny to see a real time version of what often happens online.
The funny thing about that scenario i thought was it was more the lady is just a fan not the OSC rep i thought. Wasn't even Vic etc shutting it down she just went all weird


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 14:17:59
He's not been at the club.


His colleague has. He's been at Crawley.
Good news then isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 15:02:05
Good news then isn't it?

Whats wrong with Ricky? Thought he was held in high regard and was present most matchdays in the dugout. You will know more than me mind....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 15:03:15
He's not been at the club.


His colleague has. He's been at Crawley.

Consultancy in sending senior members of staff to cover consultancy work in early months with new client shocker!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 16:29:20
The funny thing about that scenario i thought was it was more the lady is just a fan not the OSC rep i thought. Wasn't even Vic etc shutting it down she just went all weird

The thing is, if town were heading towards a bury situation, they would be the first out there airing their displeasure about the situation, just because things all seem rosy at the moment, doesn't stop fan's having the right to question things, to be shot down or censored, they all of a sudden has a superior complex. 'Oh we are the OSC, do not talk badly about the club, all is well'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 18:29:38
it's their choice. they chose not to make it the Sandro show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 23, 2023, 19:02:50
Hmmm, I think to be fair to the OSC, the clue is in the name and I can understand why they’d be a bit more hesitant to criticise


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 24, 2023, 12:37:21
2 things.

1. What’s happened to the Ward proposed signing?

2. Where’s Ryan’s impending doom incoming that’ll keep journalists busy for weeks?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:06:44
2 things.

1. What’s happened to the Ward proposed signing?

2. Where’s Ryan’s impending doom incoming that’ll keep journalists busy for weeks?


1. Don't know
2. Don't know

And to pre-empt the rediculousness of the Brand situation

3. Don't know


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 24, 2023, 13:23:44
Phew! That’s put my mind to rest. Good to know somebody has got their finger on the pulse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:13:23
The thing is, if town were heading towards a bury situation, they would be the first out there airing their displeasure about the situation, just because things all seem rosy at the moment, doesn't stop fan's having the right to question things, to be shot down or censored, they all of a sudden has a superior complex. 'Oh we are the OSC, do not talk badly about the club, all is well'

I'm not sure it's quite like that.

SDM appeared on the OSC at the start of the window. An invitation was extended for him to come on after the window, which he seemed to accept with some enthusiasm.

Think there was a decision to 'not go deep in on Sandro' off mic as if the invite still stands, a) the implication that he is the man to blame has been done to death and b) slating him would put that offer of actually asking the person responsible in jeopardy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:31:53
2 things.

1. What’s happened to the Ward proposed signing?

2. Where’s Ryan’s impending doom incoming that’ll keep journalists busy for weeks?



I text whelan the other day and all he said it was still ongoing


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 24, 2023, 14:42:07
I text whelan the other day and all he said it was still ongoing

No chance you could gauge any tone on is its positive, impending doom or otherwise?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 24, 2023, 18:09:26
Would be nice if we could do something similar with the council re the bank and Shrivenham Road.

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/politics/council-plans-to-use-its-powers-to-support-east-stand-development-at-blackpool-football-club-4036575


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 18:54:01
Will Brand's loan expire before he's appointed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, February 24, 2023, 18:58:31
Will Brand's loan expire before he's appointed?

Better put that to the Advisory Board meeting, since they don't ignore any serious questions... :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 19:04:58
From the club statement it's not even clear it's the clubs fault.

Just frustrating to still be here


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, February 24, 2023, 19:31:07
From the club statement it's not even clear it's the clubs fault.

Just frustrating to still be here

Defo this mate.

It's still an odd one for me really and does bring into question things like commitment. So long as Morris is happy (I have my doubts that he's not completely happy, poss not everything he was promised has been honoured), then that's all that matters mostly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, February 24, 2023, 19:46:45
Better put that to the Advisory Board meeting, since they don't ignore any serious questions... :girlgiggle:
If that's the case the question on Adam Hart as one example would not have been answered or some of the serious questions also put forward by the OSC in the most recent AB, but they were.. Club have never not answered a question to date, so think that's a bit unfair.. Just my opinion naturally. Any questions we receive at the Trust we also ask and have been included in the AB minutes. As I said just my opinion. If you send me or the Trust anything i will ask it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, February 24, 2023, 19:55:39
If that's the case the question on Adam Hart as one example would not have been answered or some of the serious questions also put forward by the OSC in the most recent AB, but they were.. Club have never not answered a question to date, so think that's a bit unfair.. Just my opinion naturally. Any questions we receive at the Trust we also ask and have been included in the AB minutes. As I said just my opinion. If you send me or the Trust anything i will ask it.

Can you ask what has happened with the Zav Austin fit and proper person? It has been brought up many a time but doesn’t seem to get asked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, February 24, 2023, 21:28:29
Certainly will ask again next month.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:02:49
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/town-look-to-add-aspiring-creatives-to-media-team/?fbclid=IwAR1GRmigpkifn_JyvqUj3Rx_OG7w2fR_dMN_hHDzPJSsWgQfyODIbJddyV4

"Opportunities" for volunteers to help the media team. Unpaid of course, plus you have to use your own car and equipment!

More and more this is the way of things, we're certainly not alone in going down this route, but it leaves a bad taste. This expectation for creative careers that you have to work for free for a significant period to "gain experience" is such bollocks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:06:02
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/town-look-to-add-aspiring-creatives-to-media-team/?fbclid=IwAR1GRmigpkifn_JyvqUj3Rx_OG7w2fR_dMN_hHDzPJSsWgQfyODIbJddyV4

"Opportunities" for volunteers to help the media team. Unpaid of course, plus you have to use your own car and equipment!

More and more this is the way of things, we're certainly not alone in going down this route, but it leaves a bad taste. This expectation for creative careers that you have to work for free for a significant period to "gain experience" is such bollocks.

Slightly different but my Wife used to volunteer at the local Sue Ryder shop once a week, but gave it up when a new manager came in and got a bit arsey when she wouldn't spend more time there being unpaid, so now she doesn't go at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:18:16
Unpaid Interns are nothing new in many careers. As long as the company doesn’t take the piss regarding length of unpaid work and have a reasonable chance of a job at the end of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, February 27, 2023, 12:51:59
But there isnt a chance of a job at the end of it is there?

Trying to do stuff on the freebie all the time, like asking whether someone would volunteer to take player lunches to training for them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 27, 2023, 12:56:51
it might be useful for a portfolio to take when applying for other jobs.

Gives an opportunity to practice skills too.

But I wouldn't be committing to anything  length wise under those circumstances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, February 27, 2023, 13:03:23
Perhaps they can ask someone to be volunteer assistant manager seeing as this Ed Brand shambles still hasnt been sorted out


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Monday, February 27, 2023, 13:07:25
Perhaps they can ask someone to be volunteer assistant manager seeing as this Ed Brand shambles still hasnt been sorted out

Thing is, Brand is basically doing the job right? He is there in training, he sits in the stands on match day and has the comms with Mildenhall. So outside of being on the bench during the game, i'm not sure what we are missing.

Would still be good for it to be sorted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 27, 2023, 14:18:23
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/town-look-to-add-aspiring-creatives-to-media-team/?fbclid=IwAR1GRmigpkifn_JyvqUj3Rx_OG7w2fR_dMN_hHDzPJSsWgQfyODIbJddyV4

"Opportunities" for volunteers to help the media team. Unpaid of course, plus you have to use your own car and equipment!

More and more this is the way of things, we're certainly not alone in going down this route, but it leaves a bad taste. This expectation for creative careers that you have to work for free for a significant period to "gain experience" is such bollocks.


Not a great look is it, be interested on the Trusts view here?

Strikes me that the club expect goodwill from the fans, but in turn are happy to sh1t on said fans at every opportunity to squeeze every single penny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, February 27, 2023, 14:32:24
I don't have a problem with it unless its taking the piss and becomes an expectation that you will turn up and do stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, February 27, 2023, 14:40:35

Not a great look is it, be interested on the Trusts view here?

Strikes me that the club expect goodwill from the fans, but in turn are happy to sh1t on said fans at every opportunity to squeeze every single penny.
I can only offer my own view on this in that i think its no different to what other companies do offering internships. In my view its a great opportunity for both sides. i..e the club get people with skills in these areas to support them and help them move forward, and the person(s) get commercial experience in these areas for their CVs and to gain future employment in these areas, and we all know companies love juniors to have actual commercial experience as well as any relevant qualification.  Its a win win in my view on both sides. I know people who have come into the club in the past via a similar approach who have proved themselves and gone onto join the club in a paid role.  My own company offers this sort of agreement so the club are no different.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Monday, February 27, 2023, 14:44:32
It’s exactly what it is, isn’t he?

The club want young people looking for experience and quite obviously that’s all they will get. It’s geared up for students or people fresh out of University.

…and all the club will get out of it - is someone to help part timeish for a few months and then they’ll probably use the experience to move on onto a proper job.

Think for the most part it works for all involved - apart from the fact that it’s geared up to add no long stability to that function.

It’s a bit like getting someone in on loan…!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Laddy in Red on Monday, February 27, 2023, 15:06:16
Voluntary temporary position/experience is good for the CV so can see the benefit to someone doing this and a bit different to the volunteer deliveroo driver position.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 27, 2023, 15:10:32
I am not an expert here, but the club may need to tread very carefully.  You can certainly offer unpaid internship roles, but I believe they need to be linked to a degree course requirements to do so.  I do not think you can just offer "voluntary" work to anyone without having to pay National Minimum Wage for any hours completed.

The club cannot take voluntary roles on without pay - unless they are registered as a charity.

https://www.gov.uk/employment-rights-for-interns

If it is a true internship, then fair enough.  That works well for all parties and is a clever use of free labour that also delivers results for the student in the long term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, February 27, 2023, 15:24:14
Unfortunately i think every league 2 team do this, it's just the nature of the business.

I think the club should increase season tickets and pay for these staff members personally as everyone seems to be happier if the club are paying for things when they don't really need to


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, February 27, 2023, 15:36:41
It’s a shitty business practice, and the fact that others do it too isn’t good enough justification.

Like the ‘not paying our non-playing staff a living wage’ position


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, February 27, 2023, 15:38:15
Well it is good enough justification.Just because you don't like it isn't reason enough either for them not to do it If you don't like the way the business is being run then stop funding them?

I am questioning it myself for what it is worth and not a pop but if so many things are against what you like i don't get why people keep on insisting on going and putting up with it when it appears there is literally not thing they enjoy about supporting the club anymore


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 27, 2023, 15:51:58
Conversely, if we had to agree with every position and decision of the club in order to support it, none of us would support a football team. One of the worst things about online football fandom is people supporting things that are obviously wrong just because it's their team that does it - sportswashing for absolute bastards at the extreme end, but things like poorly treating staff at the lower end.

I think a fair bit of it is just expecting better from the current management of the club, who clearly are (at least mostly) fundamentally good people who want to do the best for the club, even where they don't directly affect the results of the first team (something like integrating the women's team for example, or appointing a Chief Sustainability Officer). Nobody would have expected anything else of the previous regime.

Just on doing unpaid work to "break into" an industry - I know it's 100% the done thing now across a bunch of creative industries, and I'm sure we're not the worst offenders for it. But this sort of thing completely excludes people who don't have the ability to support themselves financially whilst doing this. In this case, they have to provide their own equipment and car, so we're not talking 16 year olds who are at college, we're talking young adults who probably need a wage. If we want everyone working in football to be from a background where they could do a couple of years unpaid, then fine, but I don't think our club (or most others) would say that aloud - they just create the conditions with shit like this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:04:45
One of the worst things about online football fandom is people supporting things that are obviously wrong just because it's their team that does it - sportswashing for absolute bastards at the extreme end, but things like poorly treating staff at the lower end.

See a lot of this online, not just for football but all sorts of things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:05:43
I dunno, if I was only interested in a football club that did things right or were ‘good’ in every sense of the word I’d whave long stopped following!

A lot of what this club does is great (ground purchase, integration of STFCW, the advisory board notes) but they’re not beyond reproach or criticism of other bits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:08:12
Much the same as some wouldn’t go because of di Canio but were happy to support the club under Power’s stewardship when his business history of fucking people over without a second thought, being connected to 17 bankruptcies and obviously bleeding the club dry was OK.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:08:51
people moan because they fking love the club and want it to be the best on and off the pitch.

i find the backlash to anyone pointing out things they get wrong incredible, its no wonder LP had our pants down for so long with people just blindly accepting whatever the club do as fantastic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:23:58
i find the backlash to anyone pointing out things they get wrong incredible, its no wonder LP had our pants down for so long with people just blindly accepting whatever the club do as fantastic.

There is backlash to any negativity, constantly.

The term happy clapper wasn't born irrationally. I've said it before but I truly do think a lot of our blind support no matter what fanbase have a bad case of toxic positivity. Sometimes things are not right and you can question them and sometimes thinks are fucking shit and its ok to say they're fucking shit out loud and not pretend otherwise.

I still see people across socials completely unironically telling people off for being negative because 'Clem saved the club/we still have a club' despite it being a total meme for how long now? A year? More?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:32:53
The problem is the fact that clubs were born of their local communities but have evolved in the past 30 years to become pure business entities.  Obviously we are not swallowed up in the Premier League nonsense of sport washing, but we've long since been removed from the "ownership" of the club in any true sense.  Fans are invested in their community club still, but the business itself is now very independent and many times that is a bad mix.  Reg would bemoan the loss of membership style status  Swindon had in the pre-70's foe example.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 27, 2023, 16:34:52
Oh, and I still think someone at the Trust should look into the regulations with regards to Unpaid "work" - we all know the level of corporate and football experience at the club is limited.  It would not surprise me that they looked at this as a great idea to keep costs down and get some many needed hands onboard but not understood some employment law implications - regardless whether not other people do it.  Other people smuggle prostitutes across Country borders, it's still against the law.

I am also firmly OK with working with Universities in the local area to develop some sort of internship program.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, February 27, 2023, 17:20:52
There is backlash to any negativity, constantly.

The term happy clapper wasn't born irrationally. I've said it before but I truly do think a lot of our blind support no matter what fanbase have a bad case of toxic positivity. Sometimes things are not right and you can question them and sometimes thinks are fucking shit and its ok to say they're fucking shit out loud and not pretend otherwise.

I still see people across socials completely unironically telling people off for being negative because 'Clem saved the club/we still have a club' despite it being a total meme for how long now? A year? More?
No one supports this though surely? I always say it, there's a fine line smf works both ways. I've posted that I don't agree with it and also posted that because of the way I think things are behind the scenes I won't be renewing my season ticket until things change, yet the minute someone like me defends something I'm a happy clapper.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 27, 2023, 17:22:31
Yeah, you fucking happy clapper.  About time some others got a good tar and feathering.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, February 27, 2023, 17:26:16
I can't be fucked with it all anymore to be honest Rob :D Everyday is just negative, from staff and fans tbh. I've not enjoyed this season 1 bit, from the moment we employed Lindsey

Club have shot themselves in the foot hugely this season and unless they make huge changes in the next few weeks season tickets will drop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 27, 2023, 17:29:32
No one supports this though surely? I always say it, there's a fine line smf works both ways. I've posted that I don't agree with it and also posted that because of the way I think things are behind the scenes I won't be renewing my season ticket until things change, yet the minute someone like me defends something I'm a happy clapper.



It absolutely goes both ways. I seem to have been categorised as a negative mong for being negative about things that have proven to be right like Scott Lindsey being the wrong appointment and wanting him out. Even when I'm commenting on certain positives at the same time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, February 27, 2023, 17:55:33
It absolutely goes both ways. I seem to have been categorised as a negative mong for being negative about things that have proven to be right like Scott Lindsey being the wrong appointment and wanting him out. Even when I'm commenting on certain positives at the same time.
Yeah it's mad isn't it really, you are a miserable cunt but not negative constantly  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, February 27, 2023, 18:08:23
………..Everyday is just negative, from staff and fans tbh. I've not enjoyed this season 1 bit, from the moment we employed Lindsey

Club have shot themselves in the foot hugely this season and unless they make huge changes in the next few weeks season tickets will drop.

Totally agree.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, February 27, 2023, 18:17:39
I can't be fucked with it all anymore to be honest Rob :D Everyday is just negative, from staff and fans tbh. I've not enjoyed this season 1 bit, from the moment we employed Lindsey

Club have shot themselves in the foot hugely this season and unless they make huge changes in the next few weeks season tickets will drop.

Epic bollock dropped to lose loads of positive feeling.

Its started to go to rat shit with SL being appointed and being told it was the obvious choice...i felt mugged off before we even kicked a ball.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 27, 2023, 18:32:45
I never really expressed much of an opinion on SL - didn't really know whether he was a good fit or not being so far away.  We certainly looked average under him, but my hunch was the squad itself was partly to blame for that.  It looked like he'd just tried to sort of maintain the Garner ways, which I could understand, but it never looked like we were trying anything different.  I did however chuckle a little seeing the stats from the Crawley game this weekend.  They had something like 67% possession yet conceded 5 goals and 20 shots against!  That is impressively soft.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, February 27, 2023, 19:06:26
Regardless of what anyone on here thinks… replies and quote tweets are all of the same nature it seems, be interesting to see how the super fan panel discusses it tonight.

It’s just not great timing is it, season tickets announcements is gonna be another shit storm.

https://twitter.com/official_stfc/status/1630156438948413441?s=46&t=G_tsf08F-FlPm1R7Gvs4jA


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 27, 2023, 19:42:11
I really don't see how anyone can think Season Tickets remain the same price anyway.  The cost of everything has gone up, so even if we spent money badly on shit players, we still spent it and the floodlights are probably now twice as much to run.

Certainly not going to be able to pay for lunch delivery.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 27, 2023, 20:30:26
I really don't see how anyone can think Season Tickets remain the same price anyway.  The cost of everything has gone up, so even if we spent money badly on shit players, we still spent it and the floodlights are probably now twice as much to run.

Certainly not going to be able to pay for lunch delivery.


Our STs are pretty punchy as it is, had a quick look earlier and there are a number of Championship clubs charging considerably less.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, February 27, 2023, 21:19:52
I really don't see how anyone can think Season Tickets remain the same price anyway.  The cost of everything has gone up, so even if we spent money badly on shit players, we still spent it and the floodlights are probably now twice as much to run.

Certainly not going to be able to pay for lunch delivery.
Like I said Saturday, they are likely to break through a psychological barrier this time round and break £400 for renewals and that could have a big impact. £400 sounds much worst than £370 even if it’s only £30. They are going to need to balance the money a cost increase will bring in with how many it will scare off, I think that will be a difficult balance this time.

This will be compounded further if they don’t have a credit card payment option this time round that’s going to a major issue. Not many people will have £100’s lying around in their bank accounts to transfer or pay cash and not every one likes or will get accepted for the finance option. I certainly won’t be renewing both mine and the other half’s if there is still no credit card option.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 00:18:16

Our STs are pretty punchy as it is, had a quick look earlier and there are a number of Championship clubs charging considerably less.

They are actually £7 less than the average for league 2, however they did go up 17% last year as costs have gone up.  A massive rise isn't going to be welcomed by anyone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 00:22:01
Like I said Saturday, they are likely to break through a psychological barrier this time round and break £400 for renewals and that could have a big impact. £400 sounds much worst than £370 even if it’s only £30. They are going to need to balance the money a cost increase will bring in with how many it will scare off, I think that will be a difficult balance this time.

This will be compounded further if they don’t have a credit card payment option this time round that’s going to a major issue. Not many people will have £100’s lying around in their bank accounts to transfer or pay cash and not every one likes or will get accepted for the finance option. I certainly won’t be renewing both mine and the other half’s if there is still no credit card option.

I thought they sorted the debit/credit card issue out, I might be wrong though.  It is a pain not having that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 07:47:44
Maybe the club needs a new admin volunteer to take the socials login after 10pm

I think part of the reason for the uproar of this is being a bit of a straw that broke the camels back situation. There is *so* much scrimping on non playing functions - wanting senior medical professionals on an NHS starter wage, this media thing, wanting people to clean the stands or drive food out to calne for free. It all just looks and feels so tinpot - and it’s bizarre because there has been clear investment in other areas that these costs would be a drop in the ocean in comparison

Not my quote, but agree with the sentiment - Swindon Town should be acting like the club at the level they want to be, not where they are. The fact that other league two clubs without a pot to piss in run themseleves on volunteers shouldn’t be a reason that we see it as acceptable to do similar. And if it does, then it’s just deflating. Because what happens if/when we do get promoted, and are up against clubs that run themselves professionally?

Every time we’ve been in league two in my lifetime, it’s felt like we’ve been temporarily misplaced, even in the flitcroft/brown years. If we start acting and dressing like a poor league two side then that doesn’t feel so temporary. And it may well be the reality of the situation calls for that - but that doesn’t make it any less upsetting


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 07:49:56
I see Zav has , out of his own pocket, paid for a coach to take disabled Town fans to Rochdale.

No doubt someone will spin that negatively.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 08:06:49
I see Zav has , out of his own pocket, paid for a coach to take disabled Town fans to Rochdale.

No doubt someone will spin that negatively.

Bet he paid for it in cash. A chance to clean dirty money that he couldn’t get through his car wash company ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 08:36:20
They are actually £7 less than the average for league 2, however they did go up 17% last year as costs have gone up.  A massive rise isn't going to be welcomed by anyone.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/every-efl-season-ticket-price-27237210


Definitely not the cheapest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 08:43:35
Maybe the club needs a new admin volunteer to take the socials login after 10pm

I think part of the reason for the uproar of this is being a bit of a straw that broke the camels back situation. There is *so* much scrimping on non playing functions - wanting senior medical professionals on an NHS starter wage, this media thing, wanting people to clean the stands or drive food out to calne for free. It all just looks and feels so tinpot - and it’s bizarre because there has been clear investment in other areas that these costs would be a drop in the ocean in comparison

Not my quote, but agree with the sentiment - Swindon Town should be acting like the club at the level they want to be, not where they are. The fact that other league two clubs without a pot to piss in run themseleves on volunteers shouldn’t be a reason that we see it as acceptable to do similar. And if it does, then it’s just deflating. Because what happens if/when we do get promoted, and are up against clubs that run themselves professionally?

Every time we’ve been in league two in my lifetime, it’s felt like we’ve been temporarily misplaced, even in the flitcroft/brown years. If we start acting and dressing like a poor league two side then that doesn’t feel so temporary. And it may well be the reality of the situation calls for that - but that doesn’t make it any less upsetting


Good post, its not this one thing in isolation its a culmination of pretty much everything the club put out being shit.

I think its the Broadbent Lounge guy who always circles back to Clem wanting 'Premier League thinking' at the club.....

Southern Premier League perhaps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 09:49:25
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/every-efl-season-ticket-price-27237210

Definitely not the cheapest.

Its difficult to gauge from that link isn't it

e.g. Gillingham - £365 to £480

£480 top price - but £405 on early bird renewal :
https://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/siteassets/documents/202223/ticketing/season-ticket-2022-2.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 10:50:22
Maybe the club needs a new admin volunteer to take the socials login after 10pm

I think part of the reason for the uproar of this is being a bit of a straw that broke the camels back situation. There is *so* much scrimping on non playing functions - wanting senior medical professionals on an NHS starter wage, this media thing, wanting people to clean the stands or drive food out to calne for free. It all just looks and feels so tinpot


Possibly does, but on the other hand there are constant demands for more investment in the football side of things and there will only be a finite money in the budget, anything saved on non-playing side can be invested in playing so probably a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul where the option is available. Is it ideal, probably not but unless we get an owner with unlimited pockets (which no doubt many would find reason to moan about) its a fact of life to save where they can to make what they have stretch further. These intern placements are all over the place and whilst not very inclusive in many ways, its not compulsory that anyone applies for them either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 10:59:54
I really don't see how anyone can think Season Tickets remain the same price anyway.  The cost of everything has gone up, so even if we spent money badly on shit players, we still spent it and the floodlights are probably now twice as much to run.

Certainly not going to be able to pay for lunch delivery.

Sadly I think this is going to be the case and it's got to the stage where people are really going to have to think long and hard about whether they can afford it. Our mobile phone charge went up 17% recently and obviously inflation is still hanging around 10%. I have to give huge credit to our fanbase that has held up incredibly well in dark dark financial times.

Next season will be the third season with Clem in charge and if (as I suspect we will be) we are still in league 2 and prices go over the £400 mark, some are just not going to be able to fork out and will probably pick and choose their games. It's imperative that Morris and Brand are backed properly and the positive messages about the club strongly aiming for promotion are going to have to happen to get the numbers the club are going to want/have to get. It will be interesting to see how low the early bird offers go along with the incentives.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 11:13:18
Yeah it's mad isn't it really, you are a miserable cunt but not negative constantly  :)

I'll take that  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 11:15:58
re:n floodlights

aren't they led now? surprisingly cheap to run. even at double the cost

(I know they are one minor exploit l example from your valid point)

Think I said it here earlier, ST balance is such a delicate thing. Everybody's costs have gone up. Increase by too much and you lose fans. increase by too little and the budget gets further cut.

I think DMC is right in that perception of where the club is headed is going to have an influence. I don't think that's being negative.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 11:38:43
Anyone think Clem would bale once the JV is finalised, take a profit and let someone else redevelop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 11:42:02
Anyone think Clem would bale once the JV is finalised, take a profit and let someone else redevelop.

I suspect he would bail any day if someone offered him enough cash, the way people go on you would think there was a line of multi-millionaires just queuing up to buy the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 12:14:26
Anyone think Clem would bale once the JV is finalised, take a profit and let someone else redevelop.

Surely his plumbing company is going to be needed to do some of the jobs around the gaff?

Hopefully we have actually sorted out the historic finances and all the crap out behind the scenes (court cases pending) so if there are interested parties it's much easier to pass on control than it has been historically.

I think you have to have very thick-skin to be a football club owner. Look at Spurs, they built a brand new state of the art stadium that's one of the finest in the country at a cost of over a billion quid, but their board always seem to have fans on their back because they aren't able to challenge on the pitch. Regular champions league football isn't good enough and especially more galling with Arsenal doing so well. I get it that expectations are through the roof at the bigger clubs. I suppose at the end of the day we all want success, and one persons definition of sucess is very different to anothers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 12:34:05
Surely his plumbing company is going to be needed to do some of the jobs around the gaff?

Hopefully we have actually sorted out the historic finances and all the crap out behind the scenes (court cases pending) so if there are interested parties it's much easier to pass on control than it has been historically.

I think you have to have very thick-skin to be a football club owner. Look at Spurs, they built a brand new state of the art stadium that's one of the finest in the country at a cost of over a billion quid, but their board always seem to have fans on their back because they aren't able to challenge on the pitch. Regular champions league football isn't good enough and especially more galling with Arsenal doing so well. I get it that expectations are through the roof at the bigger clubs. I suppose at the end of the day we all want success, and one persons definition of sucess is very different to anothers.

A trophy or two goes a long way for a club like Spurs. Its why I never get The League Cup being looked down on. A club like Spurs would be a lot happier with a League Cup every 7 or so years to accompany being at the right end of the table, rather than the square roof of fuck all they do win.

Can't remember who said it, but a quote I loved about when Arsenal were scrapping 4th and winning fuck all "You can't show your grandkids a medal for a top 4 finish"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 12:43:01
Anyone think Clem would bale once the JV is finalised, take a profit and let someone else redevelop.
I don't think that was the short term plan or that he wanted too but i wouldn't be suprised if he did. He has and always says otherwise but i would in his position


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 12:56:29
I don't think that was the short term plan or that he wanted too but i wouldn't be suprised if he did. He has and always says otherwise but i would in his position

I cant see Clem bailing any time soon, getting this club into L1, and fighting for promotion is always better, the club would be worth more as well at that point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 13:17:05
Anyone think Clem would bale once the JV is finalised, take a profit and let someone else redevelop.
No he wont.. in it for the long haul..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 14:35:31
Maybe the club needs a new admin volunteer to take the socials login after 10pm

Just seen the Tweets to which (I think) you're referring... yes, not quite the use the club account should be put to that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:02:39
This is all way blown over the top. Club announced that they were offering a chance for young people to gain experience at the start of their career (imagine as a young Swindon fan having the opportunity to gain experience while watching your favourite team for free and meeting the players etc). People slag it off and club media defends it (says the messaging was wrong - it was messaged poorly but the intent was fine). People slag that off. People want engagement and responses (e.g. when nothing was announced when discussions were in for Lindsey) and then they don’t think it’s right when they do respond. Do people just love a moan?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:25:10
Accounts released

www.bit.ly/3kEvU8v


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:25:35
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/swindon-town-release-accounts-for-the-202122-financial-year/?fbclid=IwAR3Z6Jy1QalYaZnBt7ZCJSGwLuVvxgSHhvsCoG5PtQFbmtsdqplFD77usrc

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/final-accounts-signed-21.22.pdf

Detailed overview of the accounts for 2021/22 financial year (to the end of May 22), which covers the last two months of Power and the first ten months of Clem, including the Manchester City game. The key thing to remember is because of the general delay in publishing accounts, things like debt figures will be *way* behind the updates we get in the Advisory Board meetings.

Will have a flick through and see if anything interesting in there, but mostly just good to see this sort of thing put up.

Headlines are the club making a small profit (£150k) in the period on a turnover of £6.4m, debts down to £4.3m (although we know those are much lower now in reality)

Much further down, we owe interest free director's loans to Clem personally of £2.6m and Axis (his investment vehicle) of £1.6m - he's said before that he doesn't expect to get those back, but that probably represents something like how much he has personally put in. Not cheap owning a football club, and you don't get much back for it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:30:20
Without the FA Cup run last season we'd have made a loss.

But that said - it's fantastic to see that we've gone from turning a £1,138,000 loss into a £160,000 profit. I doubt there are many football clubs in England turning a profit at the moment. (a statement said without any research whatsoever)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:35:23
Without the FA Cup run last season we'd have made a loss.

Suspect that we might then make a small loss this season? Going forwards though, rent will be down by 50% which should help with the sustainability.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:38:12
Suspect that we might then make a small loss this season? Going forwards though, rent will be down by 50% which should help with the sustainability.

Yeah, I mean I don't know how much the FA Cup run made us but the only 'bonus' money I can think of might be the World Cup money for Jonny Williams but that was under 100k so probably doesn't really touch the sides.

The income from the fans must be similar to last season, I guess a touch up because of the additional 'merch' in the club shop but the numbers through the door are similar. I assume our budget is larger this season as we're not under the embargo anymore? Obviously other costs like heating and lighting will have gone through the roof.

We're moving in the right direction but it does show we aren't 'loaded'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:40:53
We're moving in the right direction but it does show we aren't 'loaded'

Exactly, which is why its for the fans to back the club and drive it forward.

It does also make you wonder how most clubs at this level function at all given their attendances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:45:59
Yeah, I mean I don't know how much the FA Cup run made us but the only 'bonus' money I can think of might be the World Cup money for Jonny Williams but that was under 100k so probably doesn't really touch the sides.

The income from the fans must be similar to last season, I guess a touch up because of the additional 'merch' in the club shop but the numbers through the door are similar. I assume our budget is larger this season as we're not under the embargo anymore? Obviously other costs like heating and lighting will have gone through the roof.

We're moving in the right direction but it does show we aren't 'loaded'

Think they were saying the Man City game was worth somewhere from £200k to £300k.

Forgot about the Williams World Cup money. You'd definitely expect that to help take the edge off.

I'd like to see us ditch Puma and get a better deal on merch. I think there are lesser known brands out there that would give us a better deal and fans will buy anyway. A name brand isn't as appealing as it once was, as lower league clubs seem to have had plenty, including us. Perhaps a certain Sustainability Officer could even help with that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:49:08
Think they were saying the Man City game was worth somewhere from £200k to £300k.

Forgot about the Williams World Cup money. You'd definitely expect that to help take the edge off.

I'd like to see us ditch Puma and get a better deal on merch. I think there are lesser known brands out there that would give us a better deal and fans will buy anyway. A name brand isn't as appealing as it once was, as lower league clubs seem to have had plenty, including us. Perhaps a certain Sustainability Officer could even help with that.

I was going to say, I'd imagine there will be some Hylo gear in the club shop next season. I like the fact that it's kind of unique in football terms.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 15:56:53
Does the accounts (haven't gone through them yet) account for compensation for out ex managers/head coach??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:02:53
Does the accounts (haven't gone through them yet) account for compensation for out ex managers/head coach??

There's nothing like that level of detail - and nor would there be in a usual set of accounts like this. We're talking it largely being at the "income" and "outgoings" level, rather than an itemised list - as much as we'd all love to comb through that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:05:31
These accounts only go up to the first 10 months of Clem’s tenure - so Garner was still at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:16:11
Is great that clem has put his money in and converted the short term debt to effectively long term debt (assuming this is what the ‘other borrowing’ consists of’) but would be risky to think this isn’t money he wouldn’t want back at some point, interest free or no. He’d be more than entitled to it too, of course


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:17:12
Full accounts as opposed to the micro/macro version (not sure if thats the right name for them) is a positive.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:21:05
Is great that clem has put his money in and converted the short term debt to effectively long term debt (assuming this is what the ‘other borrowing’ consists of’) but would be risky to think this isn’t money he wouldn’t want back at some point, interest free or no. He’d be more than entitled to it too, of course

That's true of literally anyone who would ever own the club though, surely? Debt to a sole director is a better kind of debt than any other kind we could have (of course they can take money out of the club to pay it down, but they could take money out of the club anyway without any debt element).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:25:10
Full accounts as opposed to the micro/macro version (not sure if thats the right name for them) is a positive.




Abbreviated  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:57:38
49 more members of staff compared to the year before, Power really had driven things down to beyond bare bones hadn't he.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 16:59:04
49 wages stuffed in his arse pocket


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 17:23:35
Full accounts as opposed to the micro/macro version (not sure if thats the right name for them) is a positive.




Power would provide the basic level as well - in fact, as the Court Cases started applying pressure we got some juicy little bits of info as restatements were needed.

This one shows a real increase in Turnover - would be good to ask at the Advisory some high level info on what caused this - is it sustainable, or one off?

Admin costs increased, but not at the same rate as Turnover - some of  that will be the increased staff from the nothingness we were left with.

The debt is largely flat - it's just moved to interest free Director loans in essence.  Not a huge amount has vanished because the Revenue paid it off (which is understandable given football clubs struggle to break even).  The real good one on the debt side is the Tax one (which we know continued to be cleared after May 22).  Directors can also be a real problem when things go wrong, but the Inland Revenue can be a problem whenever they want to be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 17:38:32
"The club’s overall debts have been reduced from £7.1million down to £4.3million, with Clem Morfuni providing the funds to pay off the remaining deficit."

Are they talking about activity since the Accounting period?  If not, that makes no sense.  Certainly the degree to which the debt is a problem may have shifted, but the business still owes roughly the same amount as it did before according to the accounts.  To reduce the debt we'd have to have agreed write offs (which doesn't look like it has been done) or an equity investment, which there is no evidence to support in these accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 17:41:47
"The club’s overall debts have been reduced from £7.1million down to £4.3million, with Clem Morfuni providing the funds to pay off the remaining deficit."

Are they talking about activity since the Accounting period?  If not, that makes no sense.  Certainly the degree to which the debt is a problem may have shifted, but the business still owes roughly the same amount as it did before according to the accounts.  To reduce the debt we'd have to have agreed write offs (which doesn't look like it has been done) or an equity investment, which there is no evidence to support in these accounts.

I think it's because Clem has verbally stated in the past he isn't necessarily looking to recoup what he has paid in? Not sure it quite works like that in Accounting parlance somehow?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 17:42:59
That's true of literally anyone who would ever own the club though, surely? Debt to a sole director is a better kind of debt than any other kind we could have (of course they can take money out of the club to pay it down, but they could take money out of the club anyway without any debt element).

Absolutely, and it’s probably just my lack of financial understanding. It looks like revenue is up, we know we’re cost saving in certain areas, but the only way the debt has come down is by shifting into a different form of debt (which is completely fine and understandable, but still needs repaying when the club is sold?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 17:56:39
I think it's because Clem has verbally stated in the past he isn't necessarily looking to recoup what he has paid in? Not sure it quite works like that in Accounting parlance somehow?

The paperwork clearly does not suggest anything quite so definitive, otherwise it would have been treated as a written off amount.  Notwithstanding any public suggestion otherwise, the business owes Clem a wedge.  The good news is that a Directors loan is last in queue in any liquidation, so it's pretty unprotected money.  If you just read the black ink though, Power did much the same - he just paid money back to himself at times (likely not passing it on to those who gave it to him),  The big one is the Debenture being removed - that was much more "hard" in terms of where you'd classify debt, and HMRC being paid down, who are a Preferred Creditor and get quite antsy these days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 18:06:44
Power was charging the club an extortionate interest rate on his ‘loans’. Whatever money Standing did or did not invest got gobbled up. I’m convinced without Clem we’d be a Southend now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 18:37:36
Power was charging the club an extortionate interest rate on his ‘loans’. Whatever money Standing did or did not invest got gobbled up. I’m convinced without Clem we’d be a Southend now.

Yeah, I would have to agree.

The 'Clem saved the club'/'At least we have a club' thing being a meme and taking the piss out of people saying it is purely down to it being a response to any unrelated negativity. It isn't because it isn't true, because it absolutely is true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 19:12:28
Absolutely, and it’s probably just my lack of financial understanding. It looks like revenue is up, we know we’re cost saving in certain areas, but the only way the debt has come down is by shifting into a different form of debt (which is completely fine and understandable, but still needs repaying when the club is sold?)

It doesn't *have* to be repaid when the club is sold, plenty of owners have sold at a loss in the past, not least here (Pretty sure Black's debenture covered only a fraction of what he put in, and that wasn't ever paid in full as far as we know).

Not a straight comparison, but director's loans or loans from parent companies are how Abramovich and other big sugar daddies account for their investment in their respective clubs. For example, P47 of Bristol City's accounts - https://www.bcfc.co.uk/media/64587/bristol-city-holdings-lmited-annual-report-and-consolidated-financial-statement-2020-21.pdf - show a £72m owed to the parent company (basically Steve Landsdown).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:24:13
I may be proved to be wrong but if the club was to be sold and what Clem was owed was the stumbling block i have absolutely no doubt he would waive it for the best of the club


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:38:18
Quote
I may be proved to be wrong but if the club was to be sold and what Clem was owed was the stumbling block i have absolutely no doubt he would waive it for the best of the club
hopefully he'll get his money back and our new lifelong Swindon fan multi billionaire owners will be only too happy to oblige


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 22:11:46
I may be proved to be wrong but if the club was to be sold and what Clem was owed was the stumbling block i have absolutely no doubt he would waive it for the best of the club

….it’s a hell of a lot of money to waive.
I think you’d have to be mad or a billionaire to just happily write it off.

Do I think he’d agree long term repayment terms that were very favourable to the club, yes.

…but…I’ve never so much as met the bloke so what do I know


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 06:24:52
It doesn't *have* to be repaid when the club is sold, plenty of owners have sold at a loss in the past, not least here (Pretty sure Black's debenture covered only a fraction of what he put in, and that wasn't ever paid in full as far as we know).

Not a straight comparison, but director's loans or loans from parent companies are how Abramovich and other big sugar daddies account for their investment in their respective clubs. For example, P47 of Bristol City's accounts - https://www.bcfc.co.uk/media/64587/bristol-city-holdings-lmited-annual-report-and-consolidated-financial-statement-2020-21.pdf - show a £72m owed to the parent company (basically Steve Landsdown).

Again that’s all fair, and I know I’m being over cautious with my interpretation. I think it does create risk if clem wants to cash out *and* wants his money back (which I accept isn’t what he’s said, but again, ya know - caution and wariness) as it raises the cost of acquisition.

 I think I had also misinterpreted the whole ‘club has been clearing the long term debt’ discourse being pumped out every month as it being gone for good. I guess this shows we’ve actually met our short term obligations for the year (no mean feat in itself!) but the long term debt is still there, just now owed to a far safer creditor in clem and axis investments (who I note don’t have the ‘interest free loan’ prefix in the accounts)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 07:49:17
One way of looking it is that Clem has acquired an EFL club for his £1m stake during the Power days, the £250K option to buy out Power and £4.3M of repayable loans.

You can add in the club now owns 50% of the ground paid from the Eady Trust but that may have triggered the need to repay the Black debenture.

Revenue up is good but 2021 was during Covid so there was no on the day gate money but the season ticket revenue. Next year's accounts will be more of a like for like comparison on how the club is doing financially.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:35:42
hopefully he'll get his money back and our new lifelong Swindon fan multi billionaire owners will be only too happy to oblige

This is the thing, looking at the numbers coming out of the Championship, you need owners with very very deep pockets to even get that far.

(https://scontent.fman4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/333053797_1443193616509476_3708695404217056379_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=CQQPepkcvwoAX8b0fxB&tn=NCsx_8rXnYHCMiGP&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-1.fna&oh=00_AfD2Nh8GbZuf6Z6jqLX-d_zqovOomJtfyDw8nN7MM0RDIg&oe=64036A68)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:43:34
too many clubs gambling to get into the promised land isn't there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:45:31
The whole Championship is an absolute financial shit show.

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1382577657020309504

19 out of 24 clubs (as of Apr 2021) spending more on wages than their entire turnover - that's before ANY other costs. Reading more than double!

There is almost no such thing as a sustainable football club, and certainly no such thing as a sustainable, competitive football club except maybe Manchester United (enormous commercial power globally).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:48:40
Maybe league 1 is the best place to be looking at that ^.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:59:20
The whole Championship is an absolute financial shit show.

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1382577657020309504

19 out of 24 clubs (as of Apr 2021) spending more on wages than their entire turnover - that's before ANY other costs. Reading more than double!

There is almost no such thing as a sustainable football club, and certainly no such thing as a sustainable, competitive football club except maybe Manchester United (enormous commercial power globally).

Isn't there a financial penalty for clubs that have wages higher than turnover or did I make that up? Certainly the rules in place to ensure sustainability don't appear to be working.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 10:04:52
The whole Championship is an absolute financial shit show.

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1382577657020309504

19 out of 24 clubs (as of Apr 2021) spending more on wages than their entire turnover - that's before ANY other costs. Reading more than double!


Surely that makes it against the rules under FFP and wage caps? Reading should be having the book thrown at them.

Bristol City over 10 years were losing on average £412,000 a WEEK over 10 years and that has only gotten worse more recently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 10:06:05
One of the main problems with the championship is that teams in there have to compete with teams relegated from the premier league that have those massive parachute payments.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 10:14:40
too many clubs gambling to get into the promised land isn't there?

Totally, looking at those above I suspect City and Boro can probably be OK with it as they have fans as owners not sure about PNE as Trevor Hemmings died a year or so back and not sure what's happening there now, but clubs owned as investments, if I were a fan it would be squeaky backside time I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:07:52
Freeze the STs or better still, consider some reductions, and you'll make that lost money back. Merchandise is improving but there's more than just tickets to drive revenue...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:17:12
Freeze the STs or better still, consider some reductions, and you'll make that lost money back. Merchandise is improving but there's more than just tickets to drive revenue...
You got no chance. Season tickets will go up.  Look at our socials, if fans are demanding signings, paying people for everything then that money has to be recouped somewhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:22:38
Look at Bradford. Much bigger numbers thanks to lower ST prices. More people through the gates, more sales of food and drink, merch and programmes.
Besides, a season ticket hike must surely mean a rise in general ticket prices?
£21 and £25 for adult tickets at this level is probably my limit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:23:32
Freeze the STs or better still, consider some reductions, and you'll make that lost money back. Merchandise is improving but there's more than just tickets to drive revenue...
Too many unknowns in that statement.   How will freezing ticket prices increase revenue?   There is an argument that you may keep slightly more STs than if you increase them, but it's not guaranteed to increase revenue by any stretch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:26:17
Look at Bradford. Much bigger numbers thanks to lower ST prices. More people through the gates, more sales of food and drink, merch and programmes.
There's no guarantee of that though, it's a huge gamble and where do you put them.   10k is a good gate for any club at this level


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:29:40
There's no guarantee of that though, it's a huge gamble and where do you put them.   10k is a good gate for any club at this level

But we only have around 4k season ticket holders (correct me if I'm wrong)? There will be a tipping point regarding prices. Better to have 4k at let's say an average of £320 than 3k at £400. I'm not suggesting we drop our ST prices by the way, just using Bradford as an example.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:30:13
Look at Bradford. Much bigger numbers thanks to lower ST prices. More people through the gates, more sales of food and drink, merch and programmes.
Besides, a season ticket hike must surely mean a rise in general ticket prices?
£21 and £25 for adult tickets at this level is probably my limit.

The risk will be where the pivot point is, do the club have evidence that there is a large number who will be prepared to take out new season tickets if the prices drop, with the apparent breakdown in goodwill between much of the fanbase and the club hierarchy, from an admittedly small anecdotal sample, if anything there seems more of a suggestion that existing won't renew rather than a clamour for new ones?

I suspect what with what's going on in terms of living costs most clubs will be acting pretty blindly in knowing what the outcomes will be in terms of ticket prices going forward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:32:24
We would probably max out at 6k ST holders, judging by the past ST promotion campaigns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:34:38
Club could test the water and put out 2 price plans, 1 for shifting 7/8k+ STs at a lower rate, and then normal prices if that number doesn’t get reached. Then its down to the fans to put their money where their mouth is and shift a load to get them cheaper, and it also gives the club the security of full prices if it doesn’t get backed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:36:15
Club could test the water and put out 2 price plans, 1 for shifting 7/8k+ STs at a lower rate, and then normal prices if that number doesn’t get reached. Then its down to the fans to put their money where their mouth is and shift a load to get them cheaper, and it also gives the club the security of full prices if it doesn’t get backed.

Fitton tried that with the 6k promotion where the price was lower if we hit the target. It fell quite a long way short from memory. It did mean there were lots of fans in the ground to watch the Malpas era happen mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:36:25
We would probably max out at 6k ST holders, judging by the past ST promotion campaigns.

I see Bradford are turning over 14k ST's so can probably afford o be cheaper, no idea of populations potential fanbases, is Bradford that much bigger than Swindon?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:46:05
I see Bradford are turning over 14k ST's so can probably afford o be cheaper, no idea of populations potential fanbases, is Bradford that much bigger than Swindon?

Not far off twice as big. And they are extremely cheap.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:48:01
it's not about number of fans as such, it's about revenue and profit.

I don't know for sure, but I bet we make as much or more per match than they do on gates.

you could argue that they gain from food, program and merch sales I suppose.

if the model worked for everyone, why wouldn't they do it..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:51:13
it's not about number of fans as such, it's about revenue and profit.

I don't know for sure, but I bet we make as much or more per match than they do on gates.

you could argue that they gain from food, program and merch sales I suppose.

if the model worked for everyone, why wouldn't they do it..

Yeah, the revenue in terms of ticket sales must be similar given how cheap they are, although they probably have us beat when you include extra food and drink sales.

The thing is when you have over half a million people, the risk of running them so cheap is much easier to take. They've got twice as many potential customers to potentially bite.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 12:55:12
quite true


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:05:15
it's not about number of fans as such, it's about revenue and profit.

I don't know for sure, but I bet we make as much or more per match than they do on gates.

you could argue that they gain from food, program and merch sales I suppose.

if the model worked for everyone, why wouldn't they do it..

Also given the cheapness it's surely easier to retain paying fans when the product on the pitch is probably below what is expected. Bradford, like ourselves have been in the top division - albeit more recently and got to a league cup final - have seemingly been in league 2 for ages and I'm sure many of their fans are hacked off that they can't seem to get out of it. But when you are paying £150 (I don't know the figures so have made this up) for a season ticket, I guess you don't give it a second thought, even if you are hacked off with being in league 2. It's a lot different when the figures are going from £360 up to nearer £400.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:09:01
The thing is when you have over half a million people, the risk of running them so cheap is much easier to take. They've got twice as many potential customers to potentially bite.

Not sure where you are getting half a million people from for Bradford, but I suspect they have also been helped by 2 or 3 pretty high profile cup runs in the last decade which all help to raise the club profile and get the community excited. Doing pretty well as well considering they have dirty Leeds just down the road.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:10:28
Not sure where you are getting half a million people from for Bradford, but I suspect they have also been helped by 2 or 3 pretty high profile cup runs in the last decade which all help to raise the club profile and get the community excited. Doing pretty well as well considering they have dirty Leeds just down the road.

https://www.ukpopulation.org/bradford-population/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:18:27
Not sure where you are getting half a million people from for Bradford, but I suspect they have also been helped by 2 or 3 pretty high profile cup runs in the last decade which all help to raise the club profile and get the community excited. Doing pretty well as well considering they have dirty Leeds just down the road.
500k is about right IIRC.

Edit: Oh I see 4D popped in before I replied :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:19:32
https://www.ukpopulation.org/bradford-population/

Well fuck me, there you go, that's way bigger than the population figures the Council gave me when I did a project over there a few years back. I suspect that includes all of Bradford MBC, so a load of the towns like Keighley, Saltaire, Bingley, Shipley etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:23:57
Season tickets are a double edged sword, well, maybe more edges.

On the plus side, football clubs are in the unique position of being forced to shut down for 2-3 months a year, not earning any Revenue through sales in order to meet their consistent costs.  Season tickets give the club upfront money to cover that period.  They also provide a level of commitment to the number of people likely to attend any give match - this enables accurate planning for the operational costs and relatively easy budgeting.

On the downside, they are much lower per match in terms of Revenue per Customer - much better to charge on the day prices.  I know it is not the same, but Disney recently limited the sale of Annual Passes as they had sufficient demand for on daily sales to switch their model and boost Revenue.  All those Annual Pass wannabes moaned, but they have consistently filled the parks and raked in more dosh as a result.

Getting to near 7m on Revenue is pretty high for us I think.  It's why I think a small breakdown of that would be useful - it would show the impact of decisions this team has made and show what a good job they are doing.  My suspicion is we did a cracking job on hospitality and commercial activities last year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:30:29
Bradford's Turnover in 2020 7.3m, which dropped to 5.0m in 2021 (Covid).

Interestingly, for those who would like our club to be transparent, and they have done a lot better, Bradford produce much more detailed accounts:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05102915/filing-history

Breakdown of where all the Revenue came from - which tells us that they had a little more income than us in the 2020 year they show on their latest accounts, but that was including some decent Transfer income.  So they may sell a shed load of season tickets, but it does not appear they bring in more money than us through ticket sales.  If anything, it suggest they make less.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 14:09:03
We got season tickets again when Fitton & co reduced the prices to try and get us to 6,000.

At that point it equated to roughly the cost of 10 games, at the moment we are up to 15 games (which is still a decent saving if you can make all the games).

The problem for us is that we struggle to make midweek games so it gets to a point where it’s no longer cost effective.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 14:13:12
anybody know if the Nationwide ticket offer will run again next season? think its £12 for an adult per game atm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 14:40:35
Can't wait to see the sponsorship income in next year's accounts  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 18:02:14
Well fuck me, there you go, that's way bigger than the population figures the Council gave me when I did a project over there a few years back. I suspect that includes all of Bradford MBC, so a load of the towns like Keighley, Saltaire, Bingley, Shipley etc.

Yeah it's the Urban sprawl that makes up the c500k. Not be long before the likes of Halifax, Huddersfield, Bradford and Leeds all become one (and dare I say if we start to include the merge of places like Wakefield, Castleford and Pontefract on the 'Leeds' side). But Bradford City itself isn't really that huge. More like a large Town at best and relatively fragmented at that too.

Question being, what would it this new super metropolis be called? New Leeford? Bradedsfield? Bradford upon Leeds?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 18:21:02

Getting to near 7m on Revenue is pretty high for us I think.


What as a ballpark figure does Town generate in annual gate receipts (on all tickets inc hospitality, STs, walkups etc)?

If we say the average cost of a ticket went to about:

c£25 per ticket
c10k gate
25 home games (allowing for one FA Cup and one League Cup, I'm being incredibly conservative on this so not including any bonus cup runs or PO gate share or TV money)

=

c£6.25m pa in gate receipts.

That feels like a pretty decent revenue for L2 (Div4) from just one strand of income with zero bonuses added to it. Do the club REALLY need to raise the prices that much? There's some flex in the circa figure above due to hospitality being higher yet nominal and obviously STs being relatively cheaper than a walkup but I can't imagine it would be too far away from that, maybe as low as c£6m pa and potentially as high as c£6.5m pa. An increase in walkup price to c£28 would bring the Town gate receipts to c£7m pa based on the above.

But even c£5m pa of gate revenue (based on walk ups as low as £20 per ticket) would seem ok for a L2 club from just that one income stream alone and before we start adding up any additional income streams like sponsors, investors, assets sales/transfers, solidarity payments and money for competing in the division regardless of finishing position - if which most of those are also guaranteed or at the least incredibly safe projections of other revenue coming in to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 18:33:24
the average ticket price is much lower than you think iirc due to concessions, kids and  alleged abuse.

actually, am I thinking of season ticket average per game. maybe I am


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 18:47:42
Average ticket value last season was around £10 they said


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 19:03:26
Average ticket value last season was around £10 they said

yes, they were surprised at how low it was themselves.  I imagine this is a simple average of total gate receipts, including season tickets, divided by total attendance.  Hence why Season Ticket prices would be looked at as well - adding more to the matchday price is a real pain point, but doesn't touch the average a great deal as they did such a good job of converting people to season tickets last season.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 19:17:21
Can't wait to see the sponsorship income in next year's accounts  :D
I can't wait to see who they announce as the sponsors of next year's account's.

Seeing how shit hot they have been at maximising sponsorship opportunities its surprising to see that the ground has not been sponsored, as they could have got cash for this year at least?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 19:39:11
They are trying


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 19:48:33
the average ticket price is much lower than you think iirc due to concessions, kids and  alleged abuse.

actually, am I thinking of season ticket average per game. maybe I am

Average ticket value last season was around £10 they said

I'm genuinely surprised at this, although you guys will know more than me as I'm not a ST holder or regular attendee. I think I may have accepted something as low as c£15 avg.

Still, for one single revenue stream thats c£3m.


yes, they were surprised at how low it was themselves... adding more to the matchday price is a real pain point, but doesn't touch the average a great deal as they did such a good job of converting people to season tickets last season.


To be honest Rob, adding to either the Matchday or the ST doesn't really move the average too much. If we over egg it with 5k STs and raise the price by say c£50 then that's c£250k more revenue via that stream; matched against c5k walk ups and raising the Matchday by c£3 per ticket then that brings it to c£375k.

I could genuinely see the club increasing both STs and Matchday, with something like the above it would see the club hope to bring in an extra £600k+ via total gate receipts. I think that brings it to about a £14 per ticket value.

Questions are, would regular STs accept a c£50 rise and would walk ups rebuff the idea of an extra c£3 for a matchday ticket? It probably means in real terms (If, like most fans stomaching the increase) either one of no program, no tray of chips or no very cheap pint of mild, each game.  Obviously, I've no idea what the potential/planned ST or Matchday (or both) price rises would be but as stated, it doesn't seem like just one of them alone would move the average too much; from about the suggested current £10 value to roughly £12  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 19:54:10
I can't wait to see who they announce as the sponsors of next year's account's.

Seeing how shit hot they have been at maximising sponsorship opportunities its surprising to see that the ground has not been sponsored, as they could have got cash for this year at least?

Did the Energy Check County Ground expire?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 19:59:02

I can't wait to see who they announce as the sponsors of next year's account's.


Intuit Quickbooks shirley?  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 20:43:19
Someone else mentioned it, I'm sure, the biggest issue with the average ticket revenue per person were the volume on Concessions.  They tried to go after that and got roundly smashed back with negative responses.  I imagine it's why the club has been pushing the Sponsorship/Commercial aspect so heavily the past 18 months, which is actually a good sign compared to the previous ownership period.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 22:00:23
I thought in the Diamandis days season tickets did go up to that £400 barrier and the season ticket numbers remained around 2.5 to 3K.

The strategy seemed to be charge as much as you like as X number will still buy them. IIRC the on the day price was quite high as well and we got 5-6K gates with a few 4Ks on Tuesday nights.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 22:01:07
My OAP season ticket is £290 this season- so £12.60 a game - it was less last season, and I think the full price averaged about £14.60.
Also last year if you bought an adult ST you could buy a kids one for £10 - less than 50p a game.
There are a fair number of OAPs and kids around us in the Arkells, so I am not at all surprised that the average ticket sold price is below £15.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 22:05:51
Someone else mentioned it, I'm sure, the biggest issue with the average ticket revenue per person were the volume on Concessions.  They tried to go after that and got roundly smashed back with negative responses.  I imagine it's why the club has been pushing the Sponsorship/Commercial aspect so heavily the past 18 months, which is actually a good sign compared to the previous ownership period.

Do they still do the £10 Nationwide tickets?

Considering how many people Nationwide employ in Swindon - I’d guess the large majority of us could use that offer if so inclined.

…not sure what the club gets(got) out of that deal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 02:31:53
Do they still do the £10 Nationwide tickets?

not sure what the club gets(got) out of that deal.

They got Rob Angus out of it of course  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 10:43:49
Do they still do the £10 Nationwide tickets?

Considering how many people Nationwide employ in Swindon - I’d guess the large majority of us could use that offer if so inclined.

…not sure what the club gets(got) out of that deal.

Think someone mentioned its £12 now. I'd imagine its part of Nationwide sponsoring The Don Rogers Stand, so the club is getting sponsorship money out of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 11:31:05
Think someone mentioned its £12 now. I'd imagine its part of Nationwide sponsoring The Don Rogers Stand, so the club is getting sponsorship money out of it.

It is now £12 as a few of my mates work there & use that offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 19:16:54
Think someone mentioned its £12 now. I'd imagine its part of Nationwide sponsoring The Don Rogers Stand, so the club is getting sponsorship money out of it.

…even so that’s 50% less than a match day ticket for an adult in the DRS.
I mean I assume the deal must be beneficial to the club somehow but I’d love to know how so.

I guess it depends if the people buying the £12 tickets are fans using the offer to save money or people who normally wouldn’t go - going because it’s relatively cheap.

If you’re getting additional people in who normally wouldn’t go you’re in theory making an extra £12 (at least) per person per game…but…if it fans who would still go if the offer didn’t exist you’re losing £13 per person per game.

…but I assume someone did all the maths before agreeing to the deal!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 19:26:19
I'd like to think that Nationwide chuck some cash on top?  It's essentially a benefit they can provide employees.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 23:09:42
don't tell the tax man it's a benefit ffs!
--
yeah, I assumed it's basically nationwide subsidised via sponsorship cash


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, March 3, 2023, 08:50:42
…even so that’s 50% less than a match day ticket for an adult in the DRS.
I mean I assume the deal must be beneficial to the club somehow but I’d love to know how so.

I guess it depends if the people buying the £12 tickets are fans using the offer to save money or people who normally wouldn’t go - going because it’s relatively cheap.

If you’re getting additional people in who normally wouldn’t go you’re in theory making an extra £12 (at least) per person per game…but…if it fans who would still go if the offer didn’t exist you’re losing £13 per person per game.

…but I assume someone did all the maths before agreeing to the deal!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 3, 2023, 10:08:28
Its an incentive to sponsor The Don Rogers Stand. I'm sure a lot of these official partners have some sort of deal for tickets. Its part of being the clubs official piss cakes sponsor or whatever the million different official partners are.

Its clearly helping increase attendances and it strengthens ties with the local community, it makes sense.

You can't then have shocked pikachu face when the overall ticket revenue isn't the same as 10k people paying £25 a pop though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, March 3, 2023, 20:39:24
I see Bradford have frozen their season tickets this year, for early bird at least.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, March 3, 2023, 20:46:33
That year Fitton and co tried it has really cost us i reckon. Did we evn sell 6k that year


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 3, 2023, 20:52:19
That year Fitton and co tried it has really cost us i reckon. Did we evn sell 6k that year

No, was around the 5.4k mark from memory.  It was an impressive amount given the context of season ticket sales in the preceding years (we struggle to peak beyond 4k bar the Premier League season).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, March 3, 2023, 21:27:56
That year Fitton and co tried it has really cost us i reckon. Did we evn sell 6k that year

No, but they’ve made their money back out of us, we’ve had season tickets ever since that season


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 3, 2023, 22:10:23
That year Fitton and co tried it has really cost us i reckon. Did we evn sell 6k that year

Think is most people didn’t even keep them for the full season.
Basically part of the deal was you paid in two instalments. Start of the season and January - so because we were shit that season loads of people didn’t ‘renew’ their season tickets in January by not paying the second instalment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 8, 2023, 17:50:58
Had emails from CH to suggest some paperwork re Seebeck and Swinton has been lodged, no idea what it is though.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 8, 2023, 18:42:51
Quote
Had emails from CH to suggest some paperwork re Seebeck and Swinton has been lodged, no idea what it is though.
The FC and seebeck 87:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08323017

Memorandum and Articles of Association
This document is being processed and will be available in 10 days.

Resolution of adoption of Articles of Association
This document is being processed and will be available in 10 days.
=============
Could it be ground purchase related?

ps. seebecks accounts are overdue


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 13:45:27
The FC and seebeck 87:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08323017

Memorandum and Articles of Association
This document is being processed and will be available in 10 days.

Resolution of adoption of Articles of Association
This document is being processed and will be available in 10 days.
=============
Could it be ground purchase related?

ps. seebecks accounts are overdue

Docs are now online, I remain none the wiser...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 14:43:49
Its all standard annual company regulations and essentially publishing the rules of the game in running the company around directors, shares, operation policy etc.. As things change in a company naturally you want to ensure the operation of the business reflects that. These changes will essentially help support the CG purchase and other initiatives that are occurring.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 14:47:22
We were just trying to work out what changed Jan, tell them to put revision marking on :)

>These changes will essentially help support the CG purchase

Collio


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 14:51:05

Collio
Are you suggesting it’s a ‘Gangster’s Paradise’?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 14:51:47
Are you suggesting it’s a ‘Gangster’s Paradise’?

Reformed gangsters paradise?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 14:59:19
I thought Batch had found a cauliflower/onion hybrid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 15:26:00
We were just trying to work out what changed Jan, tell them to put revision marking on :)

>These changes will essentially help support the CG purchase

Collio
Yep put the markup on would help massively !


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 19:00:04
Why are these company's still active ?

If Clem owns stfc via his holding company, and money he puts in goes in via that holding company then why are these other company's liquidated if they hold no shareholdings ?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 19:44:15
I thought Batch had found a cauliflower/onion hybrid.
Don Caulionion


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 20:30:46
Don Caulionion

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 22:08:48
I thought Batch had found a cauliflower/onion hybrid.

Would make the eater smell vile at both ends that


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 22:17:32
Do they still do the £10 Nationwide tickets?

Considering how many people Nationwide employ in Swindon - I’d guess the large majority of us could use that offer if so inclined.

…not sure what the club gets(got) out of that deal.

why don't you ask your ex-colleagues they might know?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 23:41:36
why don't you ask your ex-colleagues they might know?

…because I’ve kept in touch with basically none of them and fuck knows if they even still work there - it has been 16 years now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, March 10, 2023, 08:58:26
Nationwide tickets are £12 adults, £5 kids and a single employee can buy 2 of each for each game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 10, 2023, 16:45:57
Can’t be arsed to look back but when the JV is all signed, is there a one year limit on when work has to begin on the Bank?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 10, 2023, 20:42:48
Nationwide tickets are £12 adults, £5 kids and a single employee can buy 2 of each for each game.

Might have to look into that.
Although I imagine they’ll be going up for next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 10, 2023, 20:44:24
Is it a recent thing or have the tickets been that price for employees all season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 10, 2023, 21:33:58
Can’t be arsed to look back but when the JV is all signed, is there a one year limit on when work has to begin on the Bank?


Good question, you'd expect to see some plans at least during the summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, March 13, 2023, 16:25:45
Any idea what this means? Some bloke posted it on facebook

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10291176/charges/-tL4XAneF9mQ7_qQE2iDa1SJk-g


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 13, 2023, 16:32:19
A charge is the security part of a secured loan. It's part of the documentation relating to a secured loan for transfer funding (specifically, it mentions transfer funding), I can't quite work out what it's secured on though from that, it seems to be some offices in London rather than specifically club property.

The loaning company is this lot - https://timefinance.com/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 13, 2023, 16:32:32
Think so.

Axis has 3ntered into an agreement with TIFL (Time Invoice Finance Limited) for a Football Transfer Funding Agreement and using the property mentioned as collateral.

Looks like a war chest for next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 13, 2023, 16:51:47
Given the timing it’s likely to be a credit provider for season tickets, with axis acting as a guarantor and putting up (what I assume) is their Uk Offices as collateral


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 13, 2023, 16:53:07
This financing is known as Football Receivables Finance. Used widely. Here’s @n ex@mp,e.

‘ In the US for example, Packers spent $420 million on expenses in 2018, out of which $213 went to the players. They spent $208 million on marketing, administration, and team-related costs, and stadium upkeep, and the situation is not different from the European football leagues as well, when it comes to overspending. However, private lenders and sponsors have helped the football sector to unlock the full potential of their assets, such as player transfers, existing deals, and contracts.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 17:05:57
This probably needs some open and honest communication given its a public document.

Looks like Clem is raising capital by mortgaging business premises, and that he's getting charged 4% above base for the pleasure.

Can't see an amount, can't work out if he's taking the risk or FC or both. Can't tell if this is good, bad, risky or fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, March 13, 2023, 17:12:04
This probably needs some open and honest communication given its a public document.

Looks like Clem is raising capital by mortgaging business premises, and that he's getting charged 4% for the pleasure.

Can't see an amount, can't work out if he's taking the risk or FC or both. Can't tell if this is good, bad, risky or fine.
Its 4% on top of the bank interest rate so more like 8%


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 17:46:47
Amended my post Jan.

Are you any the wiser? To the untrained eye it could look like we have cash flow/funding issues and are borrowing our way out at clems risk.

But it's an untrained eye so very easy to get it totally wrong


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, March 13, 2023, 18:25:36
Amended my post Jan.

Are you any the wiser? To the untrained eye it could look like we have cash flow/funding issues and are borrowing our way out at clems risk.

But it's an untrained eye so very easy to get it totally wrong

This looks perfectly normal to me and simply an 'overdraft' type facility to manage working capital.

An invoice finance agreement is where a company has issued sales invoices to customers but has not yet received the cash from them, normally as it's not due yet.     The bank lends the company a %age of the invoice value and the customer pays the bank directly.   The bank sends any surplus cash over when it receives it.
Interest is paid only on the borrowed bit.

Clam has used one of his properties as security to sweeten the deal for the bank.

These types of agreements are common and cheaper than a bog standard unsecured overdraft facility


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 18:33:04
Thanks. Normally to cover short term cashflow issues then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 13, 2023, 19:01:36
Given the reference to Transfers, would this be us trying to get payment for the outgoing transfers ahead of those staged payments from the buying clubs coming through?  It's fairly secure income, just currently spread out, so this works as a way of accessing it sooner with a small % charge applied to the financer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 13, 2023, 19:03:18
Would have thought the fact it’s called Football Transfer Funding Agreement gives it away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 19:39:31
Given the reference to Transfers, would this be us trying to get payment for the outgoing transfers ahead of those staged payments from the buying clubs coming through?  It's fairly secure income, just currently spread out, so this works as a way of accessing it sooner with a small % charge applied to the financer.

Confirmed as that

The question is why we need to. Transfer kitty or cash flow


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, March 13, 2023, 19:46:08
He did also say we are likely to be losing 500k a year


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, March 13, 2023, 19:50:16
He did also say we are likely to be losing 500k a year

I thought that was if prices were kept at today's prices and not increase, we would lose c£500k of revenue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, March 13, 2023, 20:07:36
I thought that was if prices were kept at today's prices and not increase, we would lose c£500k of revenue.
If prices and the number of tickets sold stays the same, so will the revenue.

I'm pretty sure he said we'd lose c£500k this year


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, March 13, 2023, 20:29:23
If prices and the number of tickets sold stays the same, so will the revenue.

I'm pretty sure he said we'd lose c£500k this year

Yes we would lose the £500k in extra revenue that raising prices would give us. Vic's question was if we didn't raise prices what financial state would we be in?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, March 13, 2023, 20:50:33
Amended my post Jan.

Are you any the wiser? To the untrained eye it could look like we have cash flow/funding issues and are borrowing our way out at clems risk.

But it's an untrained eye so very easy to get it totally wrong

I think others and Rob have already answered this but essentially revenue owed to us from player sales in the future have been paid to us now through this finance agreement,  the same premier league clubs do related to getting access to TV money early.  Pretty standard arrangement,  money will no doubt be used to plug 500k loss this season and for player recruitment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 21:10:01
Quote from: DMC
He did also say we are likely to be losing 500k a year

yeah sorry, didn't have time to write that before fat camp .

I guess I'm a little disappointed we have to rob Peter to pay Paul (at 8%) with the transfer activity and managerial compensations. We are a lot further away from sustainability than I thought

I'm not and didn't mean to imply anything fishy. It is what it is, a bit more breathing space to keep going while we sort out a longer term plan


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, March 13, 2023, 21:39:15
I see spreadsheet has deleted his Twitter….


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 21:42:17
yeah, went a few days ago.

Don't really blame him. Not really a fan of tagging him directly to call him a cunt in 100 inventive ways.

I'm a hypocrite though. I do it all the time to various Tory members of parliament


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 13, 2023, 21:47:26
I think others and Rob have already answered this but essentially revenue owed to us from player sales in the future have been paid to us now through this finance agreement,  the same premier league clubs do related to getting access to TV money early.  Pretty standard arrangement,  money will no doubt be used to plug 500k loss this season and for player recruitment

Is that like factoring invoices?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 13, 2023, 21:50:50
I see spreadsheet has deleted his Twitter….

Ralph? Didn't know he had one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, March 13, 2023, 22:30:35
Is that like factoring invoices?

I would say it’s very similar. Owed money, get it earlier for a fee. Worked for a company many years ago who used factoring to get the cash straight away rather than 30 or 60 days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 17, 2023, 17:32:51
The CG as redesigned by AI



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cookie on Friday, March 17, 2023, 18:04:50
The SSOMIMVINM County Ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 17, 2023, 19:12:18
The SSOMIMVINM County Ground.


We're all SSOMIMVINM till we did. Yup the ssomim'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 17, 2023, 21:38:23
The CG as redesigned by AI



All the houses in Swindon evaporated by the AI?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, March 18, 2023, 12:08:07
All the houses in Swindon evaporated by the AI?


The only way we would get a roof on the bank tbf


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, March 18, 2023, 13:11:12
All the houses in Swindon evaporated by the AI?
Vaporised by Skynet


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 18, 2023, 14:16:16
Vaporised by Skynet

Jeff Stelling operating a bulldozer?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, March 18, 2023, 14:22:39
The trees are very brown😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, March 18, 2023, 21:13:53
This is the problem for me: When we win I'm all aboard the avuncular Aussie Express train calling all stops to the Championship. When we lose I enter a doom spiral of dark thoughts concerning Michael Standing/Zav Austin/Adam Hart et al...

The sense that the Sword of Damocles hangs above us just never quite goes away.

I know that shouldn't be results based but the dawning realisation that we are in L2 next year is just depressing, and I'd much rather be in L1 with a division's buffer between us and oblivion in the even that the balloon goes up with the current regime...



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:43:20
Bloody he'll... can totally agree Mooneywith you raker


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 21, 2023, 09:57:35
Bloody he'll... can totally agree Mooneywith you raker

Yoda?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 13:51:41
I think others and Rob have already answered this but essentially revenue owed to us from player sales in the future have been paid to us now through this finance agreement,  the same premier league clubs do related to getting access to TV money early.  Pretty standard arrangement,  money will no doubt be used to plug 500k loss this season and for player recruitment

Is this not a risk as it means that money that was due at a later date is now not going to be coming in and it has been taken now, so there is no money coming in from 'other' sources at a later date so we are left relying on the standard income.

Not sure if this is a good or bad thing bringing the money forward.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 13:59:16
Is this not a risk

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Can only guess either we are desperate for it now, or it can be used better now and we'll have other things financially in place later (unless we are brushing it under the carpet for now).

Surely nobody borrows at circa 8% if they have enough in reserve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 14:08:04
Club has moved up from bottom of the fan engagement index to 20th. Things may not be perfect at the moment, but a good reminder of how bad things were.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/robins-biggest-risers-in-latest-fan-engagement-index/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 14:18:20
Imagine where we could have been if they announced signings and managers the same week as every other outlet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 14:37:26
Very good news. Embrace it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 16:46:50
Definitely a step in the right direction. I still think BBC Wilts is a channel they are ignoring for fan phone ins etc. It has the best reach. Most Swindon fans aren't obsessively living on social media.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 16:59:38
Definitely a step in the right direction. I still think BBC Wilts is a channel they are ignoring for fan phone ins etc. It has the best reach. Most Swindon fans aren't obsessively living on social media.

I've become a creature of habit. Since the club went in house with youtube I don't listen to the post match interview as much as I used to with "talk of the town"

Definitely a me problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 17:09:48
I mean more as a platform for Aberdeen etc to do Q&As rather than chatting to people on the TSTBL


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 18:40:23
Big announcement from the Trust at 9pm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 19:44:59
Definitely a step in the right direction. I still think BBC Wilts is a channel they are ignoring for fan phone ins etc. It has the best reach. Most Swindon fans aren't obsessively living on social media.

On the other hand some of us live outside the reach of BBC Wilts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 19:48:48
Big announcement from the Trust at 9pm

How to buy shares in the ground perhaps


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 21:02:10
Big announcement from the Trust at 9pm

We are getting out of League Two.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 21:03:22
On the other hand some of us live outside the reach of BBC Wilts

Available here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_wiltshire


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 22:00:07
We are getting out of League Two.

National league will be a giggle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, March 22, 2023, 22:24:19
National league will be a giggle.

That would finish me off 😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 07:08:27
Is this not a risk as it means that money that was due at a later date is now not going to be coming in and it has been taken now, so there is no money coming in from 'other' sources at a later date so we are left relying on the standard income.

Not sure if this is a good or bad thing bringing the money forward.


It's a credit facility, it doesn't have to be used, and its cheaper than other forms of credit.
 Also these agreements are only for a %age of the future income, not all of it.   

Makes perfect sense to me and would be daft not to have one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 09:47:11
It's a credit facility, it doesn't have to be used, and its cheaper than other forms of credit.
 Also these agreements are only for a %age of the future income, not all of it.   

Makes perfect sense to me and would be daft not to have one.

This is effectively what got Leeds into financial difficulties, the difference was they borrowed against their future Champions League income, and then didn’t qualify.

The only issue I could see with us is that the clubs we are due to get that money from can’t (or won’t) pay


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 10:25:05
That would finish me off 😂
This season has for me already


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 10:53:12
This season has for me already

Hope you come back to it, football is cyclic and we must be due an upturn by now.

Us pessimists aren't always right :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:07:28
National League as embarrassing as it would be and how we'd lose something huge we laugh at Oxford over....the actual experience would be great looking at the likes of Notts County.

If you're looking at cheaper tickets and winning, that pulls the fans in, irrespective of level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:13:50
National League as embarrassing as it would be and how we'd lose something huge we laugh at Oxford over....the actual experience would be great looking at the likes of Notts County.

If you're looking at cheaper tickets and winning, that pulls the fans in, irrespective of level.

Tbh (and I don’t think I’ve ever looked at the NL table) it would at least throw up some new teams to play.

I get why people want out of L2 because football clubs should always be looking to progress but for me L1 is not going to be a much better standard and it’s filled with teams we’ve played countless times over the last 20 years.

Like, I’m not exactly salivating at the idea of getting promoted to play teams like Port Vale, Accrington, Peterborough, Shrewsbury and mother fucking Cheltenham


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:25:35
Tbh (and I don’t think I’ve ever looked at the NL table) it would at least throw up some new teams to play.

I get why people want out of L2 because football clubs should always be looking to progress but for me L1 is not going to be a much better standard and it’s filled with teams we’ve played countless times over the last 20 years.


Looking at it, it would bring a fair range of games nearer to home that L2 does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_National_League

I think mid L1 is probably our natural level (would actually be interesting to know if anyone has ever done analysis of our history to know where our level sits), but as you say it all gets very samey in the bottom two divisions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:32:58
I don't mind being in L2 as long as our football isn't tripe. The Paolo year was great, the Wellens year was great, the Sturrock year was exciting enough. I'm sure we played some garbage clubs in those seasons but the footballing fare was good enough that I didn't care and can't remember. Obviously the medium term goal is L1 and beyond but L2 doesn't have to be a hellscape, as long as we are going about it the right way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 12:33:49
Yeah and we travel well already, but we know our fans love a new ground to go to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 13:23:45
I don't mind being in L2 as long as our football isn't tripe. The Paolo year was great, the Wellens year was great, the Sturrock year was exciting enough.

Promoted,
Promoted,
Promoted.

I don't mind being in League 2 if we get promoted :)

In all honesty,. and it doesn't need spelling out explicitly, league 1 is a must for so many reasons.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 13:29:04
Promoted,
Promoted,
Promoted.

I don't mind being in League 2 if we get promoted :)

In all honesty,. and it doesn't need spelling out explicitly, league 1 is a must for so many reasons.


Until recently that was the only experience of it that we had!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 14:15:40
Looking at it, it would bring a fair range of games nearer to home that L2 does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E2%80%9323_National_League

I think mid L1 is probably our natural level (would actually be interesting to know if anyone has ever done analysis of our history to know where our level sits), but as you say it all gets very samey in the bottom two divisions.

It was done some time ago and was around the mid 50s, so mid level league one is about right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 15:20:02
Another one! Got to be the main success story of the season.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/town-agree-big-sponsorship-deal-with-cellular-fitness/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 16:13:32
Another one! Got to be the main success story of the season.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/town-agree-big-sponsorship-deal-with-cellular-fitness/

Indeed, Revenue generation is one of the areas we certainly seem to have improved in the past 2 years.  That's with some significant pieces of the off field jigsaw puzzle still missing as well.  Shows what a club can do with a decent fanbase if they start to put their mind to it.  It creates a frustration for me because I wonder why they try and run so thin on everything else - like the shop/merchandise angle for example (which always seems a bit jumble sale to me still).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 18:38:56
This is effectively what got Leeds into financial difficulties, the difference was they borrowed against their future Champions League income, and then didn’t qualify.

The only issue I could see with us is that the clubs we are due to get that money from can’t (or won’t) pay
It wasn't like Leeds.   They gambled on champions league income and set a playing budget accordingly.  The Bank didnt loan them money on contracted income, and do their own risk assessment.

Clem is also personally liable for any default as he's used one of his properties as security.   It's a perfectly normal facility, I've set many up like this.  In addition it doesn't have to be used it's just there if you need it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 19:42:34
Another one! Got to be the main success story of the season.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/march/town-agree-big-sponsorship-deal-with-cellular-fitness/

Active know how much we make of such deals? Must be relatively little given the sheer number of them.

I think building links is worth more than the cash mind. Though every pound counts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 13:16:23
Brentford have made it work well.

‘ Brentford publish 22 accounts. 🔑figures
Turnover £141m, more than the previous 15 seasons added together
Wages £68m, lowest in PL
Profits £30m
Transfer spend £40m
Borrowings down to £39m’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 13:27:17
Only just - go see their financial losses in previous years.  They have just about managed it by the transfer dealings they do, which is the ultimate aim.  But it has taken some real risk and financial backing upfront to get there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 13:28:16
"Losses before player sales have totalled £197 million since 2013. However Brentford's model has generated £141 million of player-sale profits"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 13:37:29
What's the term, "speculate to accumulate"?

It's hugely challenging to do this and many clubs are in deep financial shit for trying. Fair play to Brentford and Brighton for going from paupers to eating with the fat cats at the King's table, many won't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 14:17:43
It’s not the scale, though, it’s the model. What needs pondering is whether it can work at our basement level.

Is a non league or ex-academy player a bigger punt for us than, say, Brighton and/or Brentford paying for lower league EFL players. Is the risk bigger for us?

By risk I mean the ‘punts’ coming good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 14:39:02
That isn't what Brentford were doing though, is it?  Ivan Toney for example, cost them 5m from Peterborough, to replace Watkins (sold for 33m) who they purchased for a couple of million (based on reports).

They've taken some very calculated gambles, but not low cost ones.  They were not taking cast offs, or maybe's.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 14:44:26
I would say someone like Khan fits the bill at our level - I can understand that one if we were to do the project correctly.  A well regarded lower level player who maybe can make the step-up - identified by some data to show he'd be OK (50%+ probability).

Peterborough have been good at playing the transfer market for forwards.  They've seemingly narrowed it down to the position that has highest returns, rather than the entire squad.  I presume they have some misses we do not read about, but they know one good striker can make a mint.  Our problem seems to have been to do this for every position bar GK, in one season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 14:47:32
That isn't what Brentford were doing though, is it?  Ivan Toney for example, cost them 5m from Peterborough, to replace Watkins (sold for 33m) who they purchased for a couple of million (based on reports).

They've taken some very calculated gambles, but not low cost ones.  They were not taking cast offs, or maybe's.
But that was what I was asking. Is the risk of a player turning out well higher for us trawling non league and ex-academies or Brentford buying established, but lower league, EFL players. I don’t mean financial risk but the risk of the recruitment becoming a shit show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 14:50:40
Yes, we are risking on unproven talent by and large.  Khan is the exception, maybe Hutton.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 14:52:13
Brentford have also signed experienced talent from less fashionable markets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 15:13:56
Brentford have also signed experienced talent from less fashionable markets.
So have we. I don't think comparing us in league 2 to them signing Toney for 5m is fair. What were the calibre of signings they were making in league 1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 16:15:29
The season they got promoted from League One they purchased Will Grigg it looks like, for aorund the 400k mark.

They then spent 4m or so in the first season in the Championship.

Some of the players mean nothing to me so far back, but they did operate at a 5m and 4m loss for each of the two seasons leading up to their promotion to the Championship.  Hardly running a sustainable approach back then

Also, I think it wasn't really until 2015 or so that they marched the new drumbeat - there is a real shift in their approach at that point on the transfer spending and what types of players.  The lower league rise is more about spending on wages it looks like - their Operating costs were close to 8m.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 16:29:40
So have we. I don't think comparing us in league 2 to them signing Toney for 5m is fair. What were the calibre of signings they were making in league 1.

Many of the free transfers they were picking up carried experience as well - J Douglas and A McCormack being to examples pre their rise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 16:33:45
To relate that to us this season.

You'd probably have a handful, or less, of Khan type signings.
A few like Lavinier.
The bulk would be like Austin - experience, been there and done it.  Likely got promotion from this level in recent history or have many league games under their belts.  That would be your spine.  You hope some of the lower league gambles, maybe for fees, pay off in the long run and the younger talent from the Premier League has a decent hit rate into players that can make the grade.

If only two or three players are worth money a year later, you paid for it.  You do not need everyone to hit, but you should not risk 30 odd players going that way.  23 of our current squad signed this season and Austin aside, the number of EFL games under their belts is minimal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 16:42:23
Good post Robert.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 29, 2023, 17:02:20
Peterborough are probably a more applicable, more recent example of Robs point

Likes of Sikiri Dembele and Clarke-Harris were the successful ‘punts for profit’ when they got promoted, but the squad was anchored by a centre back/goalkeeper trio with over 600 appearances between them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 31, 2023, 08:51:34
Anyone go to the sponsors do last night? A couple of the 'London Reds' went last night. A small complaint about a lack of complimentary wine on tables but overall it sounded like they enjoyed it. No proper gossip to share, apparently they asked Morris if he could arrange a pre-season abroad somewhere nice and hot, which he said he'd asked about but those above him were not having it. Boo!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 31, 2023, 08:52:20
Wales?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 31, 2023, 08:53:29
Anyone go to the sponsors do last night? A couple of the 'London Reds' went last night. A small complaint about a lack of complimentary wine on tables but overall it sounded like they enjoyed it. No proper gossip to share, apparently they asked Morris if he could arrange a pre-season abroad somewhere nice and hot, which he said he'd asked about but those above him were not having it. Boo!
I would be happy with a Scottish tour.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 31, 2023, 09:13:04
Wales?

I would be happy with a Scottish tour.

Selfishly Republic of Ireland would be my choice, but I wouldn't be unhappy with Scotland either, could go and visit friends and family up there. At that time of year, it's pure midgy territory! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 31, 2023, 10:14:41
Failing any of the above Devon is a nice place in July & August :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 31, 2023, 10:21:52

Bah, pre season should be spent in an army camp with the class of 2023-24 emerging as true Spartans, as befits the early club name.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 31, 2023, 10:24:50
Bah, pre season should be spent in an army camp with the class of 2023-24 emerging as true Spartans, as befits the early club name.
I would love us to re adopt this nickname.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 31, 2023, 10:26:07
Players would go on strike and claim they were being mistreated🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, March 31, 2023, 10:32:11
If we’re being selfish a pre season in the delights of East Anglia would be ok.

We could include a game against Kevin Horlock’s Needham Market.
Just as long as we avoid Histon, only just got over the last two visits (having gone to see Chippenham there in a promotion decider)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 31, 2023, 10:35:11
If we’re being selfish a pre season in the delights of East Anglia would be ok.
Gertcha Cowson! you cant beat the South West in Summer ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 31, 2023, 11:38:19
Quote from: Bob's Orange
A small complaint about a lack of complimentary wine on tables
😲

how skint are we!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 31, 2023, 11:45:46
😲

how skint are we!

Have a look at our squad this season to get the answer to that! :)

One of the other guys did the mascot package (which was/is pricy) and apparently didn't even get any complimentary drinks in the legends lounge this season. I know you are paying primarily for the kids enjoyment but even a free pint/glass of wine might have been a nice touch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 31, 2023, 12:37:12
I don't recall getting a free pint when either of my son's did it either to be fair. years ago.

fitton bought us one after trying for hours to dig the pitch out of frozen snow. my god that was hard work


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, March 31, 2023, 20:43:19
Have a look at our squad this season to get the answer to that! :)

One of the other guys did the mascot package (which was/is pricy) and apparently didn't even get any complimentary drinks in the legends lounge this season. I know you are paying primarily for the kids enjoyment but even a free pint/glass of wine might have been a nice touch.
I know it's tongue in cheek but it's quite scary how much we have actaully probably paid this season, it's the actual standard that is the problem Hutton,Tomlinson,FBT,Khan,Clayton all paid for in some way. Williams and Austin are not cheap either. We missed a huge opportunity this season to add those wages and fees to a few more senior type players and have a go this season didnt we


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 05:26:32
Yep, fucked it good and proper


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 05:38:24
Was fortunate enough to get a glimpse of a draft of the previously unheralded 15 year plan for the club.
Won't be music to everyone's ears as it's basically a case of  focusing on mid table consolidation in League 2 until such time as promotion becomes affordable.

Speaking of affordable, also hearing that plans for a tarpaulin sheet over the Stratton Bank supported by pillars every 10ft have been shelved due to costs.
Instead the bank will be demolished and replaced by a fence with car parking behind.
The good news is that a state of the art IMAX screen will be installed for in game advertising and beam back of Aussie Rules & NRL games plus dwarf tossing, pre match & at half time, in an effort to promote popular Australian sports.

Hanners on the mic in booming surround sound awaits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 06:34:36
Nice one, Bob!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 07:36:34
Was fortunate enough to get a glimpse of a draft of the previously unheralded 15 year plan for the club.
Won't be music to everyone's ears as it's basically a case of  focusing on mid table consolidation in League 2 until such time as promotion becomes affordable.

Speaking of affordable, also hearing that plans for a tarpaulin sheet over the Stratton Bank supported by pillars every 10ft have been shelved due to costs.
Instead the bank will be demolished and replaced by a fence with car parking behind.
The good news is that a state of the art IMAX screen will be installed for in game advertising and beam back of Aussie Rules & NRL games plus dwarf tossing, pre match & at half time, in an effort to promote popular Australian sports.

Hanners on the mic in booming surround sound awaits.

You're on the beer particularly early today Bob! :)


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 08:43:01
If we’re being selfish a pre season in the delights of East Anglia would be ok.

We could include a game against Kevin Horlock’s Needham Market.
Just as long as we avoid Histon, only just got over the last two visits (having gone to see Chippenham there in a promotion decider)
I'll take a Histon, that's only 20 minutes from me!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 11:05:24
Pre-season is always so underwhelming. Should do a little tour of Scotland or either Rep or Northern Ireland like we used to years back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 1, 2023, 11:38:30
nearly Bob, very very nearly


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 20:02:15
Still got the hump after my away day so, in that vein, now that the even the happiest of clappers have probably put their hands in the pockets can we expect the Trust to start asking serious questions about what is actually going on at the club?

Anyone with half a brain can smell that something isn't right about the current hierarchy.

I appreciate that a lot of time and effort has gone into the stadium purchase and perhaps they haven't had their eye on the ball for that reason but if next season isn't going to be a rinse and repeat of this shitshow, then someone needs to start applying some pressure and they are probably best placed given their spot on the Monthly Box Ticking Charade Advisory Board.

Here are some starters for 10. Feel free to add. And you don't just let them fob you off with a 'We'll get back to you.' You keep pushing until you get an answer:

What is Zav Austin's role at the club?
Did he fail the FPP Test?
If yes, does he qualify as a Relevant Person in the eyes of the EFL?
What is Chris Kiely's day to day role at the club?
How can we hope to function without full time experienced professionals in key roles like Club Secretary?

I'm sick of how unbelievably tinpot this club is becoming, and how many shady people seem to be hanging around a so-called 'family club'. As has been said time and time again, no one above Morris has a clue how to run a football club and it shows in everything we do. The basic functions are simply not being performed. And yet we piss about with Karachi (just why is a builder from Beckenham hobnobbing with local Government officials in a port city in Pakistan...?), the Sustainability guff (fine if you are absolutely nailing everything else), taking on the women's team (we can't yet run a men's team...), and chasing ratings in some hobbyist's meaningless fan engagement index.

This makes me laugh, and gives an idea of the due diligence the Trust did on this mob...

https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1421115774853427208

Click the link to the article. They are deleting the receipts. Why?

It was a lot easier to forget all of this when we were flying at the end of last season but I've enjoyed this one about as much as root canal and it really is blindingly clear that as a club we have no idea what we are doing.

Bah humbug.

If they don't want us asking questions, then they need to keep winning matches!



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 20:25:16
Still got the hump after my away day so, in that vein, now that the even the happiest of clappers have probably put their hands in the pockets can we expect the Trust to start asking serious questions about what is actually going on at the club?

Anyone with half a brain can smell that something isn't right about the current hierarchy.

I appreciate that a lot of time and effort has gone into the stadium purchase and perhaps they haven't had their eye on the ball for that reason but if next season isn't going to be a rinse and repeat of this shitshow, then someone needs to start applying some pressure and they are probably best placed given their spot on the Monthly Box Ticking Charade Advisory Board.

Here are some starters for 10. Feel free to add. And you don't just let them fob you off with a 'We'll get back to you.' You keep pushing until you get an answer:

What is Zav Austin's role at the club?
Did he fail the FPP Test?
If yes, does he qualify as a Relevant Person in the eyes of the EFL?
What is Chris Kiely's day to day role at the club?
How can we hope to function without full time experienced professionals in key roles like Club Secretary?

I'm sick of how unbelievably tinpot this club is becoming, and how many shady people seem to be hanging around a so-called 'family club'. As has been said time and time again, no one above Morris has a clue how to run a football club and it shows in everything we do. The basic functions are simply not being performed. And yet we piss about with Karachi (just why is a builder from Beckenham hobnobbing with local Government officials in a port city in Pakistan...?), the Sustainability guff (fine if you are absolutely nailing everything else), taking on the women's team (we can't yet run a men's team...), and chasing ratings in some hobbyist's meaningless fan engagement index.

This makes me laugh, and gives an idea of the due diligence the Trust did on this mob...

https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1421115774853427208

Click the link to the article. They are deleting the receipts. Why?

It was a lot easier to forget all of this when we were flying at the end of last season but I've enjoyed this one about as much as root canal and it really is blindingly clear that as a club we have no idea what we are doing.

Bah humbug.

If they don't want us asking questions, then they need to keep winning matches!


Not deleting anything..
We moved to a new website in January and only moved across a certain timescale of articles.
Happy to provide article should you wish.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 20:25:37
Like I said in the Sandro thread, currently the club has an aura of a non league volunteer run club. There’s no professionalism anywhere, it’s hard to get in contact with and things like the club shop and ticket office have restricted opening hours. Everything has the feel of being done on a bare minimum budget including the football side.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 2, 2023, 20:33:08
Not deleting anything..
We moved to a new website in January and only moved across a certain timescale of articles.
Happy to provide article should you wish.



Fair enough. Apologies!

That said, I wish you'd engage with the wider points made, although I appreciate you don't have to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 07:50:07
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1427314233432231940

This has aged well. Still looking forward to that update! They've only had 20 months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 08:08:10
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1427314233432231940

This has aged well. Still looking forward to that update! They've only had 20 months.
Why don't you reply to that tweet and ask


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 08:13:47
This forum is as close as I get to a 'social media' account!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 08:38:24
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1427314233432231940

This has aged well. Still looking forward to that update! They've only had 20 months.
As has been discussed many times on here, he hasn't and can't be approved due to the conviction.  I suspect an application was never made as the rules are clear.

If the club don't want to tell us they don't have to.

What do you want the trust to say that would satisfy you?
They aren't the club or the EFL and have no way of independently confirming either way, other than he isn't a director so hasn't been approved. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 08:42:08
Why don't you reply to that tweet and ask
To be fair Dean a lot of us have done that in the intervening period and we’ve just received a plethora of vague responses dodging actually answering the question. The latest excuse was it’s with the lawyers or something like that.

Like RobertT mentioned the other day, being convicted of money laundering should be one of those crimes where you can never be involved with running a football club after as they perfect vehicles for that sort of thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 08:50:13
As has been discussed many times on here, he hasn't and can't be approved due to the conviction.  I suspect an application was never made as the rules are clear.

If the club don't want to tell us they don't have to.

What do you want the trust to say that would satisfy you?
They aren't the club or the EFL and have no way of independently confirming either way, other than he isn't a director so hasn't been approved. 


This is a pathetic post, “if the club don’t want to tell us they don’t have to?” He’s the vice chairman- whether that be official or unofficial, parading around Karachi, whilst he can’t even be officially approved due to him being a convicted money launderer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 09:00:30
To be fair Dean a lot of us have done that in the intervening period and we’ve just received a plethora of vague responses dodging actually answering the question. The latest excuse was it’s with the lawyers or something like that.

Like RobertT mentioned the other day, being convicted of money laundering should be one of those crimes where you can never be involved with running a football club after as they perfect vehicles for that sort of thing.
I wasn't being a prick it was genuine, it's 2 years later they should have answered it and replying to that actual tweet should highlight they have not done what was said.. I don't even mean ask the club here, ask the trust what they have done about it as they have said there they will update properly


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 09:01:48
As has been discussed many times on here, he hasn't and can't be approved due to the conviction.  I suspect an application was never made as the rules are clear.

If the club don't want to tell us they don't have to.

What do you want the trust to say that would satisfy you?
They aren't the club or the EFL and have no way of independently confirming either way, other than he isn't a director so hasn't been approved. 
You can't sit there and say open and transparrent in every intereview but then say we don't want to tell You.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 09:07:38
You can't sit there and say open and transparrent in every intereview but then say we don't want to tell You.
Don't disagree, and was sort of my point


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 09:16:31

This is a pathetic post, “if the club don’t want to tell us they don’t have to?” He’s the vice chairman- whether that be official or unofficial, parading around Karachi, whilst he can’t even be officially approved due to him being a convicted money launderer.

They literally do not have to tell us anything.    They are more open and transparent not completely.    There is no way of independently verifying so this type of conversation will keep going on forever.

TBH I'd rather the dodgy characters be visible than hide in the background like they did under Power.   Football is full of them after all, and plenty are agents who you have to deal with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 09:58:16
It boils down to this for me: Austin is a convicted drugs money launderer. Adam Hart, formerly one of Britain's most wanted, was working for MTK Global as recently as 2021. Some of their fighters even appeared in Swindon Town colours back in 2019 (https://www.boxingscene.com/liam-wells-tipped-big-things-by-coach-adam-hart--135183), which I'm fairly sure pre-dates his company's involvement with strength and conditioning at the club. Hart and Austin were in business together until 2021.

Do we believe that Hart's sole involvement is providing third party strength and conditioning coaching? It may be, and his company seem to be popular with the players and doing a good job for the large part, but "mistakenly" listing his job title on the hospitality guestlist doesn't exactly put any rumours to bed.

In many ways Power was clever as most fans including myself didn't dig much deeper than "he's a scumbag taking all the money" which wasn't necessarily illegal. Sure he had Frankie Fraser et al in the Directors' box but he seemed more wannabe spiv than actual gangster.

If you believe in the criminal justice system then you absolutely have to accept that people who have served their time deserve a second chance, and I do, but the very lack of openness and transparency, so often trumpeted and promised, about these characters and what their roles and involvement with the club are is a huge red flag.

The Trust and the club are asking us to pay a direct debit to help to rebuild the stadium. Austin was specifically brought in by Power (back in 2015!) to assist with the then training ground project due to his background in building: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13585526.town-appoint-three-new-non-executive-directors/

Will he or his company be part of the stadium renovation project?

Bear in mind this is the guy Clem said would be running the club day to day in his absence. Even if he isn't a Director or Vice Chairman anymore, the whole Relevant Person rule at the EFL looks like a highly dangerous tripwire to me, although I can't say I know or understand the ins and outs of it.

The Karachi thing is preposterous. Karachi FC clearly don't exist and that Karachi FC club logo has never been seen anywhere on anything ever again, nor in any of the photos of his ridiculous trips.

Clem, Aberdeen and the Trust have had nearly 2 years to address all of this. They've obfuscated and delayed at every opportunity.

We've had decades of leeches and chancers hovering around our successive ownerships like flies on dog turd, other than the brief Andrew Black period. Clem was meant to be a bright new era but this has festered to the point of absurdity. Any regular fan can Google this stuff and find it in 5 seconds and yet the Trust seem unwilling or incapable of doing so or calling it out. It is very odd, isn't it?! Or does one accept that football is largely run by blaggards and scoundrels and just go along with it? I honestly don't know the answer and the sad reality is maybe if we were winning every game we would all be blinded by the light, but we ain't. If they want the stadium purchase to herald a new era, as we all desperately do, then I think that they need to address this ASAP.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 10:16:42
It boils down to this for me: Austin is a convicted drugs money launderer. Adam Hart, formerly one of Britain's most wanted, was working for MTK Global, as recently as 2021. Some of their fighters even appeared in Swindon Town colours back in 2019 (https://www.boxingscene.com/liam-wells-tipped-big-things-by-coach-adam-hart--135183), which I'm fairly sure pre-dates his company's involvement with strength and conditioning at the club. Hart and Austin were in business together until 2021.

Do we believe that Hart's sole involvement is providing third party strength and conditioning coaching? It may be, and his company seem to be popular with the players and doing a good job for the large part, but "mistakenly" listing his job title on the hospitality guestlist doesn't exactly put any rumours to bed.

In many ways Power was clever as most fans including myself didn't dig much deeper than "he's a scumbag taking all the money" which wasn't necessarily illegal. Sure he had Frankie Fraser et al in the Directors' box but he seemed more wannabe spiv than actual gangster.

If you believe in the criminal justice system then you absolutely have to accept that people who have served their time deserve a second chance, and I do, but the very lack of openness and transparency, so often trumpeted and promised, about these characters and what their roles and involvement with the club are is a huge red flag.

The Trust and the club are asking us to pay a direct debit to help to rebuild the stadium. Austin was specifically brought in by Power (back in 2015!) to assist with the then training ground project due to his background in building: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13585526.town-appoint-three-new-non-executive-directors/

Will he or his company be part of the stadium renovation project?

Bear in mind this is the guy Clem said would be running the club day to day in his absence. Even if he isn't a Director or Vice Chairman anymore, the whole Relevant Person rule at the EFL looks like a highly dangerous tripwire to me, although I can't say I know or understand the ins and outs of it.

The Karachi thing is preposterous. Karachi FC clearly don't exist and that Karachi FC club logo has never been seen anywhere on anything ever again, nor in any of the photos of his ridiculous trips.

Clem, Aberdeen and the Trust have had nearly 2 years to address all of this. They've obfuscated and delayed at every opportunity.

We've had decades of leeches and chancers hovering around our successive ownerships like flies on dog turd, other than the brief Andrew Black period. Clem was meant to be a bright new era but this has festered to the point of absurdity. Any regular fan can Google this stuff and find it in 5 seconds and yet the Trust seem unwilling or incapable of doing so or calling it out. It is very odd, isn't it?! Or does one accept that football is largely run by blaggards and scoundrels and just go along with it? I honestly don't know the answer and the sad reality is maybe if we were winning every game we would all be blinded by the light, but we ain't. If they want the stadium purchase to herald a new era, as we all desperately do, then I think that they need to address this ASAP.





An excellent post

If this doesnt open the eyes of the people who blindly believe we're being run by Saints then nothing will.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 10:26:57
Given that there are so many open questions from fans, perhaps rather than attempting to get questions asked at the Advisory Board, (all are answered to be fair, but some answers are quite vague) maybe it's worth the Trust proposing an open Q&A session to be broadcast, either via BBC Wiltshire, or one of the podcasts that we have? Even under Lee Power these (at least at the beginning) seemed to be fairly regular.

Any of the Trust people from here, is it possible to put a proposal forward at the next AB - perhaps something is already in traction - if not, it might be a good idea for the owners of the club to arrange it? Given this season is petering out and there are fans sitting on the fence as to whether to get ST's next year, it could be the ideal opportunity to put many minds at ease? Not sure if Clem is back in Oz now, but he's surely going to have to put his head above the parapet to answer some questions?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 10:31:48
I dont know, sounds a bit radical for a Supporters Trust to hold a club to account.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 11:01:34
It boils down to this for me: Austin is a convicted drugs money launderer. Adam Hart, formerly one of Britain's most wanted, was working for MTK Global as recently as 2021. Some of their fighters even appeared in Swindon Town colours back in 2019 (https://www.boxingscene.com/liam-wells-tipped-big-things-by-coach-adam-hart--135183), which I'm fairly sure pre-dates his company's involvement with strength and conditioning at the club. Hart and Austin were in business together until 2021.

Do we believe that Hart's sole involvement is providing third party strength and conditioning coaching? It may be, and his company seem to be popular with the players and doing a good job for the large part, but "mistakenly" listing his job title on the hospitality guestlist doesn't exactly put any rumours to bed.

In many ways Power was clever as most fans including myself didn't dig much deeper than "he's a scumbag taking all the money" which wasn't necessarily illegal. Sure he had Frankie Fraser et al in the Directors' box but he seemed more wannabe spiv than actual gangster.

If you believe in the criminal justice system then you absolutely have to accept that people who have served their time deserve a second chance, and I do, but the very lack of openness and transparency, so often trumpeted and promised, about these characters and what their roles and involvement with the club are is a huge red flag.

The Trust and the club are asking us to pay a direct debit to help to rebuild the stadium. Austin was specifically brought in by Power (back in 2015!) to assist with the then training ground project due to his background in building: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13585526.town-appoint-three-new-non-executive-directors/

Will he or his company be part of the stadium renovation project?

Bear in mind this is the guy Clem said would be running the club day to day in his absence. Even if he isn't a Director or Vice Chairman anymore, the whole Relevant Person rule at the EFL looks like a highly dangerous tripwire to me, although I can't say I know or understand the ins and outs of it.

The Karachi thing is preposterous. Karachi FC clearly don't exist and that Karachi FC club logo has never been seen anywhere on anything ever again, nor in any of the photos of his ridiculous trips.

Clem, Aberdeen and the Trust have had nearly 2 years to address all of this. They've obfuscated and delayed at every opportunity.

We've had decades of leeches and chancers hovering around our successive ownerships like flies on dog turd, other than the brief Andrew Black period. Clem was meant to be a bright new era but this has festered to the point of absurdity. Any regular fan can Google this stuff and find it in 5 seconds and yet the Trust seem unwilling or incapable of doing so or calling it out. It is very odd, isn't it?! Or does one accept that football is largely run by blaggards and scoundrels and just go along with it? I honestly don't know the answer and the sad reality is maybe if we were winning every game we would all be blinded by the light, but we ain't. If they want the stadium purchase to herald a new era, as we all desperately do, then I think that they need to address this ASAP.


I recall that members of the Trust can email them at [email protected] send them the above, I suspect its considerably more likley (and/or one is considerably more reasonable to complain if/when it doesn't) to gain a response via official channels than a post on a forum where they have literally no need to engage nor reply.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 11:48:09
Bit in the adver today about JM working with SDM. There isn't a massive amount of content there to be fair.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23439467.jody-morris-discusses-working-relationship-sandro-di-michele/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 11:59:03
Careful, you will have trust board members exposing things about your past on twitter next, just for raising these types of questions..  Surely that couldn't happen right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 12:05:50
Careful, you will have trust board members exposing things about your past on twitter next, just for raising these types of questions..  Surely that couldn't happen right?

Where's that happened?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 12:11:41
I posted Mooneyrakers post on twitter and this was the response i received from the Trust

Quote
No delay in addressing the issues raised. Multiple questions have been asked at ABs regarding the topics mentioned, which have been responded to and documented in the AB minutes directly by Clem. To our knowledge, Zav or his businesses will not be involved with the redevelopment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 12:14:24
Mooneyraker- a very insightful post.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 12:26:28
Multiple questions have been asked at the Advisory Boards, that much is true. But the answers have got increasingly less honest and forthright, haven't they? The Zav question last month was basically answered with "lawyers are looking at this" which is... not helpful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 12:58:21
Multiple questions have been asked at the Advisory Boards, that much is true. But the answers have got increasingly less honest and forthright, haven't they? The Zav question last month was basically answered with "lawyers are looking at this" which is... not helpful.

Do the questions get asked at the AB or are they just presented and then answered in writing in the minutes, a lot of the angst could be addressed simply by a follow up question being asked  in AB if necessary, so for instance why is it necessary for lawyers to be looking at it??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 13:16:08
This should be a question of framing.

Simply change the way we are asking the question of STFC -

Can the club confirm that they agree with the EFL rules, that a person who has a conviction for Money Laundering should not be involved in the day to day running or decision making of a football club, regardless of how long it has been since they were released from prison? and to that end, can the club confirm that Zavier/Zaver/Zav Austin is indeed not involved in any way shape or form with STFC, including ceasing all activity using the club as leverage on any Visa related program with people within Pakistan.

The answer to the questions above should all be in the affirmative, but they won't be.  I honestly don't give a shit if he is a lovely guy with lots of money he wishes to spunk on STFC, he has to fuck off.  If that pisses off Clem, so be it.

if the club won't answer fully then Trust STFC should refer their concerns to the EFL.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 13:18:02
I'm not sure what value asking if he has passed the Fit and Proper Persons Test adds - he never will, but we know from past experience that shady characters can still lurk in the Decision Making Halls.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 16:37:10
Ex Chippenham manager Mike Cook appointed ladies team boss


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 16:54:43
Ex Chippenham manager Mike Cook appointed ladies team boss

I thought the women’s DOF woulda had something to say in the article about a new appointment, guessing the club fucked him off at the same time they fucked off the other 4 coaches?

Edit- guy who is/was DOF https://twitter.com/thomaswhartley?s=21&t=obfaIvBddRqCcnTvpuPHSg


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 16:58:11
Ex Chippenham manager Mike Cook appointed ladies team boss

That didn't take very long!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 17:22:29
That didn't take very long!

SDM mustn’t have been involved then soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 6, 2023, 17:22:52
SDM mustn’t have been involved then soapy tit wank

Exactly! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 13:12:04
I found this big article on the Karachi tie-up which is... interesting.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1740465/reviving-football-in-lyari

Karachi FC came into existence in 2022.

We announced the partnership in January 2022: https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/swindon-town-announce-exciting-new-partnership-with-karachi-fc/

So to all intents and purposes, Karachi FC was seemingly created solely for this partnership. That seems odd. There are many established football teams in Karachi. Why not partner with one of them?





Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:08:36
So a convicted money launderer has set up a football training and development program in a part of the world in which it is noted such programs regularly fail due to corruption?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:18:47
I found this big article on the Karachi tie-up which is... interesting.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1740465/reviving-football-in-lyari

Karachi FC came into existence in 2022.

We announced the partnership in January 2022: https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/january/swindon-town-announce-exciting-new-partnership-with-karachi-fc/

So to all intents and purposes, Karachi FC was seemingly created solely for this partnership. That seems odd. There are many established football teams in Karachi. Why not partner with one of them?





…as a man with a lot of random football shirts the first thing I did when we announced the link was see if I could find a Karachi FC football shirt and at the time suggested that from my findings (…or lack there of) the club didn’t even exist.

Know nothing about football out there but is it possible the 2022 club is an amalgamation of existing two clubs?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:21:50
Talking about football shirts isn't it about the time next seasons new kits are revealed or is it too early🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:21:58
It’s quite clearly just a vehicle to get young players into a process for Visa’s.  There are many legal ways to make good money out of the desire for people to emigrate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:23:49
No benefit to the club whatsoever.

Annoys the shit out of me that the club name is involved to be honest, how can the club associate their name to it when ZA is paying for everything?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:39:10
No benefit to the club whatsoever.

Annoys the shit out of me that the club name is involved to be honest, how can the club associate their name to it when ZA is paying for everything?

Because they will need a sponsoring business for the Visa, which will likely be the kid plus a ftrailing family.  Worth thousands to the right people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 17:56:40
https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10142350/1/1316-6148-1-PB.pdf

Here is an interesting paper about Lyari, the specific district of Karachi, Pakistan, where we have chosen to begin our search for the next World-class Egyptian striker.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 18:10:56
We were discussing yesterday that just about everything the club have done recently they have cocked up and then in a number of cases had to back track.

The problem seems to stem from not having enough people behind the scenes to run a football club properly. AFAIK we still don’t have a club secretary, just someone doing their best part time alongside their other duties.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 8, 2023, 20:11:37
I cannot wait for the club to finally fall out from the playoff race so we can start the rebuild.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 00:46:29
I cannot wait for the club to finally fall out from the playoff race so we can start the rebuild.

Nice sarcasm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 05:55:47
Nice sarcasm

No. I’m serious actually. I want to see what the fuck they’re going to do to correct this cluster fuck they’ve created.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 06:05:32
If the players aren’t playing for Morris now, how will that change next season when so many of them will still be under contract?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 06:13:05
If the players aren’t playing for Morris now, how will that change next season when so many of them will still be under contract?

That could be problematic, if they’re still here…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 07:17:49
It will be the same as same as! Sandro will already looking at young players with limited or no league experience that he can bring in for free with potential to sell on in a couple of years!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 07:38:57
It will be the same as same as! Sandro will already looking at young players with limited or no league experience that he can bring in for free with potential to sell on in a couple of years!

I think JM may have other ideas and part of his tenure will be to have a bigger say in who comes in. He has seen with his own eyes, as have we what a disaster the recruitment policy turned out to be. Next season HAS to be a promotion season, no if’s no buts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 07:57:03
 I thought this season had to be a promotion season  ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 08:00:26
I think JM may have other ideas and part of his tenure will be to have a bigger say in who comes in. He has seen with his own eyes, as have we what a disaster the recruitment policy turned out to be. Next season HAS to be a promotion season, no if’s no buts.

What happens though if we put all our eggs in the ‘recruitment was a disaster’ basket and it turns out Morris is just a piss poor manager?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 08:02:50
That’s the same for all managers at all clubs.

You won’t know for sure until after the event


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 08:11:20
What happens though if we put all our eggs in the ‘recruitment was a disaster’ basket and it turns out Morris is just a piss poor manager?

Then we’re fucked for another season, simple really.

Is your glass always less than half empty?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 08:14:38
Then we’re fucked for another season, simple really.

Is your glass always less than half empty?

Glass is always both.
It’s simple maths.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 08:16:24
What happens though if we put all our eggs in the ‘recruitment was a disaster’ basket and it turns out Morris is just a piss poor manager?
I have a sneaking suspicion you may be right and that we have made a very expensive mistake with JM.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 09:32:12
I have a sneaking suspicion you may be right and that we have made a very expensive mistake with JM.

Who knows. Only one way we will find out.

I still think Lindsey had the team closer to where they should be with regards to league position than Morris has.

We can say Lindsey had MacDonald, Gladwin (injured) & Reed (didn’t play him) but Morris had Austin (massive upgrade up front) a fit RHM & Tomlinson - but it’s a lot of swings and roundabouts.

As I’ve said - in my mind it’s crunch time. We either back Morris with his own players and give him the rest of the calendar year or we get rid now.

Gamble either way.

Unpopular opinion but I still think this squad is better than it’s currently showing. Not by much mind you but still…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 09:34:10
I think the team would massively benefit from a back to basics performance with players in the right positions and nothing too adventurous…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: adje on Sunday, April 9, 2023, 16:00:16
Who knows. Only one way we will find out.

I still think Lindsey had the team closer to where they should be with regards to league position than Morris has.

We can say Lindsey had MacDonald, Gladwin (injured) & Reed (didn’t play him) but Morris had Austin (massive upgrade up front) a fit RHM & Tomlinson - but it’s a lot of swings and roundabouts.

As I’ve said - in my mind it’s crunch time. We either back Morris with his own players and give him the rest of the calendar year or we get rid now.

Gamble either way.

Unpopular opinion but I still think this squad is better than it’s currently showing. Not by much mind you but still…
It definitely is better than current showing in my opinion. Just no leadership and a lack of spirit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 10, 2023, 09:58:21
I see the supporters club have started selling tickets for the end of season awards dinner. Tough sell that, do not envy the marketing folk there one bit!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 11:45:55
Who knows. Only one way we will find out.

I still think Lindsey had the team closer to where they should be with regards to league position than Morris has.

We can say Lindsey had MacDonald, Gladwin (injured) & Reed (didn’t play him) but Morris had Austin (massive upgrade up front) a fit RHM & Tomlinson - but it’s a lot of swings and roundabouts.

As I’ve said - in my mind it’s crunch time. We either back Morris with his own players and give him the rest of the calendar year or we get rid now.

Gamble either way.

Unpopular opinion but I still think this squad is better than it’s currently showing. Not by much mind you but still…

I think I said not long before he left that Lindsey was maybe just a smidge over where I expected the squad to be.  He'd had some "lucky" results early in the season where I thought we could easily have lost and a couple of the wins were a toss of a coin type games.  There were also a few defeats that were similar.  That would have had us just under the play offs over the stretch of the season I think, and I do believe the squad is worse now.  That, ignoring the past 12 games, is simply abject failure - but I was not a huge Lindsey critic, just not a fan of his recruitment (another symptom of our current malaise).

Also, as much as I think we have recruited a crock of shit (the sum of the parts before people get all rabid about one or two being decent prospects), and it is not fit for purpose (getting promoted), the recent results have been well below expectations even for that group.  I still conclude we are a mid table to play off squad.  I also still conclude that is simply not good enough.  All that has happened in the past few weeks is the blame has shifted wider and deeper!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, April 10, 2023, 15:37:31


Can the club confirm that they agree with the EFL rules, that a person who has a conviction for Money Laundering should not be involved in the day to day running or decision making of a football club, regardless of how long it has been since they were released from prison?

I had a look in appendix 3 of the EFL rules - have they changed as the conviction is spent, unless he's had another since 2005?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Monday, April 10, 2023, 15:56:26
If we are committed to the stats-driven approach then the board should pay attention to the most important stats, Morris’ dreadful points return. Absolutely no chance of achieving anything next year under him. I would actually be concerned for our football league status.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 10, 2023, 15:58:15
I see the supporters club have started selling tickets for the end of season awards dinner. Tough sell that, do not envy the marketing folk there one bit!

Unless there are some stocks and soft tomatoes  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 16:15:35
I had a look in appendix 3 of the EFL rules - have they changed as the conviction is spent, unless he's had another since 2005?

I didn't think the offence (given the sentence) could be "spent"?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 10, 2023, 18:37:32
I just hope Nigel Eady's trustees hired good lawyers and this ground purchase is watertight.

The thought that they may have helped Zav and the naive clowns he wines and dines at the Trust to buy it makes me sick.

(And, yes, I'm pissed off and I'm sure holes can easily be picked in the above!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 19:44:08
I just hope Nigel Eady's trustees hired good lawyers and this ground purchase is watertight.

The thought that they may have helped Zav and the naive clowns he wines and dines at the Trust to buy it makes me sick.

(And, yes, I'm pissed off and I'm sure holes can easily be picked in the above!)

I appreciate you're not very happy about the performances on the pitch but the suggestion above is a bit too far IMO.

The fanbase and the Trust have benefited from hours from multiple people giving up their time over the last 8 years to make the ground purchase happen and be as watertight to protect it for our Club and fanbase, regardless of who is either sat on the board of the Trust or owns of the club. The entire setup is in the interest of ensuring it benefits the Club and fans overall.

Don't shoot from the hip at something that is enormously positive for this club and that other fans would chew their right arm off to achieve if given a chance. The comments above are really nothing more than poor form and out of order frankly.

Keep your insults about the pitch performances to the pitch if that's what you want to complain about.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 10, 2023, 19:50:58
I have not signed up the trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 19:52:30
I have to admit, I did find it intriguing that the club didn't have to shell out any cash to assume an asset of some worth.  I presume the end game is the Management company set-up to run/own the freehold will be a 50/50 split with legal entity that owns the Football Club.  As such, they'd get to add 50% of the value of said asset to their books.  Any idea what the value of the Asset is post sale?  I presume more than the sale price, or at least that amount?  Also, the club will have a long term leasehold, which is also of value, just like someone "owning" a flat.  Both of these items offset the Directors Loans (which themselves are soft debt, if there is such a thing), making a future purchase by someone more palatable.  Clem does come out of this sitting much prettier than he would have done on Day One, even allowing for the smaller purchase price.  In reality, the club was nearly worthless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 10, 2023, 19:54:29
I appreciate you're not very happy about the performances on the pitch but the suggestion above is a bit too far IMO.

The fanbase and the Trust have benefited from hours from multiple people giving up their time over the last 8 years to make the ground purchase happen and be as watertight to protect it for our Club and fanbase, regardless of who is either sat on the board of the Trust or owns of the club. The entire setup is in the interest of ensuring it benefits the Club and fans overall.

Don't shoot from the hip at something that is enormously positive for this club and that other fans would chew their right arm off to achieve if given a chance. The comments above are really nothing more than poor form and out of order frankly.

Keep your insults about the pitch performances to the pitch if that's what you want to complain about.

Genuine question: did the Trust know about “Zav’s” background when they jumped into bed with him?

I watched back the OSC interview with him. Don’t worry, laundering drugs money is a “paper crime” and “no one got hurt.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:04:18
Genuine question: did the Trust know about “Zav’s” background when they jumped into bed with him?

I watched back the OSC interview with him. Don’t worry, laundering drugs money is a “paper crime” and “no one got hurt.”

The Trust are not 'in bed' with Zav. The Trust is legally connected to the Club via the CGJV as 50/50 owner of the assets it owns (The CG).

I have to admit, I did find it intriguing that the club didn't have to shell out any cash to assume an asset of some worth.  I presume the end game is the Management company set-up to run/own the freehold will be a 50/50 split with legal entity that owns the Football Club.  As such, they'd get to add 50% of the value of said asset to their books.  Any idea what the value of the Asset is post sale?  I presume more than the sale price, or at least that amount?  Also, the club will have a long term leasehold, which is also of value, just like someone "owning" a flat.  Both of these items offset the Directors Loans (which themselves are soft debt, if there is such a thing), making a future purchase by someone more palatable.  Clem does come out of this sitting much prettier than he would have done on Day One, even allowing for the smaller purchase price.  In reality, the club was nearly worthless.

The Club holds 50% ownership of the asset on its balance sheet meaning if the Club was to be sold, the ground has to be sold with it. If the club wants to move said asset into a different company, there is a lengthy process that the CGJV board has to vote in favour of but a majority. Clem might not have paid for the ground directly and the funds have come from Nigel Eaady Trust but on the balance of things, Clem has 'paid' in other ways when you look at the bigger picture.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:05:26
My recollection was that The trust always claimed they had done all their due diligence on Zav Austin and posted a loving article about him and how they ‘owed him a pint’ for introducing clem to the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:07:33
 I suppose clem actually pays when the writes off the debt owed to him


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:15:25
My recollection was that The trust always claimed they had done all their due diligence on Zav Austin and posted a loving article about him and how they ‘owed him a pint’ for introducing clem to the club

The 'loving article' you are referring to was written by an opinion columnist on the Trust website. Not written by the Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:16:36
posted a loving article about him and how they ‘owed him a pint’ for introducing clem to the club

I think this is part of the problem, both Clem & the Trust feel like they owe Zav a favour so are finding it difficult to bin him off.

The problem is the longer it’s allowed to carry on the more toxic it’s likely to become


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:17:38
 Hopefully super marine will still be around when it all goes sour


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:18:03
I'm not so sure you can claim Clem paid anything when it comes to the stadium deal.

He is the sole owner of a business that now has a 50% stake in a Holding Co that owns a single Asset - the stadium, and will presumably be the main vehicle for development.  He paid no consideration for that.

He is also the owner of a football club that now has a 90+ year lease on a football ground for 50% of the amount they were previously paying.  That is an immediate reduction in operating expenses and an immediate re-valuation upwards of an existing asset (the current lease deal was not a long term one, was it? - certainly all but depreciated on the books).

The Balance sheet is transformed over night.

The P&L has a positive impact through no financial risk.

I'm not saying the future doesn't come without costs - the partnership has to finance development somehow.  Just that I'd be a very happy football club owner if that were the end result.

Sure, he has had to pay people their debt back, and now has that all tied up as interest free loans to the football club.  However, he's been given a much easier sell in the future than any predecessor will have had for many a year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:19:28
I think this is part of the problem, both Clem & the Trust feel like they owe Zav a favour so are finding it difficult to bin him off.

The problem is the longer it’s allowed to carry on the more toxic it’s likely to become

To be frank, the Trust has no feeling of owing anyone favours. If there is any sentiment within the Trust as such, it's the sentiment of individual views as everyone is free to their own opinions and sentiment towards individuals.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:19:46
The 'loving article' you are referring to was written by an opinion columnist on the Trust website. Not written by the Trust.

Really - you are going down that road?  I am a fan of the Trust, remain so, but that's stretching it a bit.  Everything posted on the website comes with association.  I don't even know what we are talking about, but that response is a tad weak.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:20:52
 the trust communications on here are very defensive and that worries me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:25:41
Really - you are going down that road?  I am a fan of the Trust, remain so, but that's stretching it a bit.  Everything posted on the website comes with association.  I don't even know what we are talking about, but that response is a tad weak.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that whatever is posted on the Trust website comes with an association regardless of what is said. However, the sentiments that are remembered is skewed, skewed IMO by our own doing admittedly.
 
There is a conversation about where would be had it not been for Zav's actions, but that's another debate completely that I have zero knowledge of. However, as a serving board member, I cannot say I agree with the sentiment that I 'owe Zav a pint'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:27:00
the trust communications on here are very defensive and that worries me

(Not a Trust board member, never have been)

I'm honestly surprised they aren't more defensive (bitey). They're unpaid volunteers who give up often a lot of their time to try and help the club - whether they get everything right or not (they don't), they don't deserve to have their motives called into question. They're not club employees who get paid with the expectation of taking the abuse, and they're rightly proud of the deal to get the ground. If I was them, I'd be fucking furious that the absolute shambles we're seeing on the pitch is not so much taking the shine off their crowning achievement as it is smearing it with huge volumes of shit.

If some anonymous shitstirrer started telling the world that every trust board member (12 of them I think - I'm sure there are disagreements between groups within that) are blind to the potential risks of some of the characters around the club, I'd probably bite as well. Not saying it's helpful for them to do so - I'm sure it's not - but it must be frustrating as hell to read this sort of thing, especially knowing that this basically all goes away if we aren't shit on the pitch.

Once again, the Trust is very cheap to join and anyone can stand to be a board member. Think the current incumbents are doing a bad job and want the Trust to go back to "sack the board" mode? Stand as a candidate for the board and you can make that change if enough members agree with you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Laddy in Red on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:29:22
Some anonymous dickhead calls me a naive clown after hours of voluntary work to sort the CG purchase, I'd be defensive too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:30:13
To be frank, the Trust has no feeling of owing anyone favours. If there is any sentiment within the Trust as such, it's the sentiment of individual views as everyone is free to their own opinions and sentiment towards individuals.

Ok, do you (the Trust) think that a convicted criminal should be involved with the club at board level.

Hopefully you would say a definitive No, if that is the case you should be telling Clem & Rob in no uncertain terms that he should be nowhere near the club.

The fact that you (the Trust) haven’t done that publicly would suggest you are either happy with it, or are trying not to rock the boat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:34:12
Agreed - tough job.

My questions here were more posed at the club side - I have nothing but respect for the Trust gaining traction in the Ground purchase.  Even if it leaves 50% somewhere else, i'd "Trust" them way more than the Council to have the best interests of the club at heart.

My musings are more on the club operations side/ownership model.  Clem comes out of this a "lucky" man - or maybe he saw the potential here to seize the club and push towards this.

Certainly everything else the club is doing is looking like it is riddled with incompetence OR a business stifled of the funding for the right staff/infrastructure, with less than stellar people involved.  Put the two together, and the flip model for selling a business looks much more compelling that someone may have though when looking at the place two years ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:38:11
Ok, do you (the Trust) think that a convicted criminal should be involved with the club at board level.

Hopefully you would say a definitive No, if that is the case you should be telling Clem & Rob in no uncertain terms that he should be nowhere near the club.

The fact that you (the Trust) haven’t done that publicly would suggest you are either happy with it, or are trying not to rock the boat.

This is something I can get onboard with.  Nothing about Zav Austin suggests he should be anywhere near the club.  I couldn't give a flying fuck if he helped Clem out.  Clear the decks.  Clem can have him on speed dial as a personal sounding board if he likes, but the Trust should have no issue saying it's just not appropriate for a convicted money launderer, of millions in drug money, to be anywhere near the place, regardless of how long ago.  Especially when a) trying to present an image of being under new ownership and b) when it is fucking clear the EFL will not sanction it.  Can someone fuck up his driveway? (not being serious, honest).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:40:46
In fact, can't the membership force the issue?  Also call for clarity on Chris Kiely's role with the club - require a full response to the question, something that can then be fact checked against.  He may be a top bloke for all I know, but it's just another game of shadows that looks bad.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:46:38
I'm not so sure you can claim Clem paid anything when it comes to the stadium deal.

He is the sole owner of a business that now has a 50% stake in a Holding Co that owns a single Asset - the stadium, and will presumably be the main vehicle for development.  He paid no consideration for that.

He is also the owner of a football club that now has a 90+ year lease on a football ground for 50% of the amount they were previously paying.  That is an immediate reduction in operating expenses and an immediate re-valuation upwards of an existing asset (the current lease deal was not a long term one, was it? - certainly all but depreciated on the books).

The Balance sheet is transformed over night.

The P&L has a positive impact through no financial risk.

I'm not saying the future doesn't come without costs - the partnership has to finance development somehow.  Just that I'd be a very happy football club owner if that were the end result.

Sure, he has had to pay people their debt back, and now has that all tied up as interest free loans to the football club.  However, he's been given a much easier sell in the future than any predecessor will have had for many a year.
Clem repaid the Andrew Black debenture c. £2M which was repayable on the sale of the club or redevelopment of the ground. Given the sale by SBC stipulates redevelopment has to start within 2 years then there is a cost to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:50:51
Ok, do you (the Trust) think that a convicted criminal should be involved with the club at board level.

Hopefully you would say a definitive No, if that is the case you should be telling Clem & Rob in no uncertain terms that he should be nowhere near the club.

The fact that you (the Trust) haven’t done that publicly would suggest you are either happy with it, or are trying not to rock the boat.

I am not here posting as a spokesperson for the Trust.

However, I will say from my experience of the last 12 months of being on the board of the Trust.. Silence doesn't mean the organisation is doing or saying nothing. We are constantly listening, opinions are expressed when they need to be in audiences that need to be expressed to and the boat is rocked when it needs to be rocked. That said, it's important to remember that the Trust does not own the club or have the authority to dictate how the Club should be run.

The Trust's purpose is to give the fans a voice to those that run the club and protect the longevity of the Club - this hasn't changed and this remains our core focus at all costs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:51:09
In fact, can't the membership force the issue?  Also call for clarity on Chris Kiely's role with the club - require a full response to the question, something that can then be fact checked against.  He may be a top bloke for all I know, but it's just another game of shadows that looks bad.

My understanding is he was the one who recommended/appointed Sandro. So fuck that guy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:54:55
" That said, it's important to remember that the Trust does not own the club or have the authority to dictate how the Club should be run. " 

That is the nub of it really. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 10, 2023, 20:55:24
That said, it's important to remember that the Trust does not own the club or have the authority to dictate how the Club should be run.

I sympathise with this, but assuming that the advisory board is the main vehicle for Trust:Club communication (at least that isn't to do with the CGJV) then it'd be good to see a bit of "Trust Commentary" or similar in addition to the minutes the club puts out.

For example, in last month's Zav question, which I think was put by the Trust and was something like "What is the situation with Zav's fit and proper person test?", the club minutes just said "Under legal discussion" or similar. I'd like to see the Trust at least acknowledge that to be not a particularly satisfactory answer - and even if we can't push it immediately, stress that it's a situation the fans would like to see resolved one way or another as soon as possible.

As at the moment the minutes stand alone with no comment from any other parties, it kinda looks like the Trust is happy with the answers given - which I imagine is not exactly the case in some instances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:01:06
I sympathise with this, but assuming that the advisory board is the main vehicle for Trust:Club communication (at least that isn't to do with the CGJV) then it'd be good to see a bit of "Trust Commentary" or similar in addition to the minutes the club puts out.

For example, in last month's Zav question, which I think was put by the Trust and was something like "What is the situation with Zav's fit and proper person test?", the club minutes just said "Under legal discussion" or similar. I'd like to see the Trust at least acknowledge that to be not a particularly satisfactory answer - and even if we can't push it immediately, stress that it's a situation the fans would like to see resolved one way or another as soon as possible.

As at the moment the minutes stand alone with no comment from any other parties, it kinda looks like the Trust is happy with the answers given - which I imagine is not exactly the case in some instances.

I can sympathise with the optics of it all and it's great feedback so I will be sure to raise it at the next Trust board meeting to discuss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:03:13
Clem repaid the Andrew Black debenture c. £2M which was repayable on the sale of the club or redevelopment of the ground. Given the sale by SBC stipulates redevelopment has to start within 2 years then there is a cost to the club.

Which begs more questions - if it was indeed tied to Ground development, then did Clem come out of this a winner as well?  did he negotiate a settlement which would be less than that owed to Black (or whoever it was sold to by Power), knowing full well ink was due on the paper of a deal forcing development soon?  Winner on both sides - asset for free, less debt owed.  No idea - I'd certainly try it if I was the owner.

Again, I'm not pushing this as some sort of anti-Clem narrative, it's just interesting info that maybe shed's some light on why a person may have gone down the road he did.  it's not as easy as saying he's never making any money from this and did it for love.  It may also explain why some of the operational stuff has looked so absent of functioning people.  So long as we don't get relegated and you maintain the Revenue where it is, he's done a pretty good job of getting a business ready for a flip without going nuts on the expenses.  He is still owed all the money after all, he did not write it off.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:10:41
Clem repaid the Andrew Black debenture c. £2M which was repayable on the sale of the club or redevelopment of the ground. Given the sale by SBC stipulates redevelopment has to start within 2 years then there is a cost to the club.

The debentures amount is not accurate but regardless, if it is you want to think about it from the debenture aspect for the Club to acquire 50% of an asset worth £2.3m (£1.15m), a debentures debt at £2m settled has cost more than the asset gained on the debentures alone... Of course, there is potential to increase the value of the asset with the redevelopment but ultimately, that's just more investment into the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:12:51
I am not here posting as a spokesperson for the Trust.

However, I will say from my experience of the last 12 months of being on the board of the Trust.. Silence doesn't mean the organisation is doing or saying nothing. We are constantly listening, opinions are expressed when they need to be in audiences that need to be expressed to and the boat is rocked when it needs to be rocked. That said, it's important to remember that the Trust does not own the club or have the authority to dictate how the Club should be run.

The Trust's purpose is to give the fans a voice to those that run the club and protect the longevity of the Club - this hasn't changed and this remains our core focus at all costs.

I get that the Trust can’t make the decision to remove Zav, only Clem can do that, but by not being publicly clear about your position it “could” be viewed that you are happy with his involvement, even if you’re not.

Im not trying to be critical of the Trust, I think in the main part you all do an excellent job, just trying to highlight some of the difficulties of being openly critical of the club’s decisions.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:16:46
I get that the Trust can’t make the decision to remove Zav, only Clem can do that, but by not being publicly clear about your position it “could” be viewed that you are happy with his involvement, even if you’re not.

Im not trying to be critical of the Trust, I think in the main part you all do an excellent job, just trying to highlight some of the difficulties of being openly critical of the club’s decisions.




Totally hear you Posh Red.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:19:49
The debentures amount is not accurate but regardless, if it is you want to think about it from the debenture aspect for the Club to acquire 50% of an asset worth £2.3m (£1.15m), a debentures debt at £2m settled has cost more than the asset gained on the debentures alone... Of course, there is potential to increase the value of the asset with the redevelopment but ultimately, that's just more investment into the club.

I’m led to believe that Clem was keen to fund 50% of the purchase, but by using the Eady Trust money that meant the club (and not Clem) owns it.

I don’t know if you can confirm, but if so was that the case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:25:31
I’m led to believe that Clem was keen to fund 50% of the purchase, but by using the Eady Trust money that meant the club (and not Clem) owns it.

I don’t know if you can confirm, but if so was that the case?

No idea on Clem being keen to fund the 50% of the purchase but the Eady Trust funding means the ground is owned by the Club, meaning when/ if the club is sold - the 50% ownership in the CGJV is also sold meaning no owner can keep hold of the asset once they sell the club. There are also mechanisms in place to prevent transfer of the Club's 50% share of the ground without the consent of the CGJV board, which then avoids the situation occurring without the Trust and fans knowing about it too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:29:19
No idea on Clem being keen to fund the 50% of the purchase but the Eady Trust funding means the ground is owned by the Club, meaning when/ if the club is sold - the 50% ownership in the CGJV is also sold meaning no owner can keep hold of the asset once they sell the club. There are also mechanisms in place to prevent transfer of the Club's 50% share of the ground without the consent of the CGJV board, which then avoids the situation occurring without the Trust and fans knowing about it too.

Cheers 👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:38:38
I appreciate you're not very happy about the performances on the pitch but the suggestion above is a bit too far IMO.

The fanbase and the Trust have benefited from hours from multiple people giving up their time over the last 8 years to make the ground purchase happen and be as watertight to protect it for our Club and fanbase, regardless of who is either sat on the board of the Trust or owns of the club. The entire setup is in the interest of ensuring it benefits the Club and fans overall.

Don't shoot from the hip at something that is enormously positive for this club and that other fans would chew their right arm off to achieve if given a chance. The comments above are really nothing more than poor form and out of order frankly.

Keep your insults about the pitch performances to the pitch if that's what you want to complain about.

Is everyone at the Trust naive? No. Are some? Absolutely.

The tweets of a Trust board member in the last 6 months, long after his past emerged:

"Well done Zav"

"Hes a good guy Zav love it"

"Wonderful well done Zav"

Throw in a "buy him a pint" article through your official channels and some pathetic answers left unquestioned at the Advisory Board and forgive me for thinking that the Trust are his muckers.

They could have come out on Day One and said "The Trust notes the appointment of convicted drugs money launderer Zav Austin as Vice Chairman in charge of the day to day running of the club with concern." But they didn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:49:31
If we were walking the league, I doubt we’d be as vocal about Hart and Z Austin lurking in the shadows with questionable intent. If they want to take the heat off themselves, they’d better build a decent squad over the summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 10, 2023, 21:52:39
My understanding is he was the one who recommended/appointed Sandro. So fuck that guy.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, April 10, 2023, 22:02:18
The £2M debenture was what reported in the accounts for several years but may have not been the final settlement.

Peterborough's ground was sold back to the local council for £7M a few years ago so £2.3M for the CG looks a good deal for a similar size stadium.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 10, 2023, 23:07:04

Again, I'm not pushing this as some sort of anti-Clem narrative, it's just interesting info that maybe shed's some light on why a person may have gone down the road he did.  

I suspect if nothing else, getting the debentures sorted, and paying down most of the third party debt would have been a requirement for the Eady money being released?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 10, 2023, 23:16:06
I do not know, we probably never will.  However, what is certain is that the combined impact is a much more valuable business than was purchased for 200k less than two years ago.  Yes he has had to invest money (some of which is via his own business), but he's essentially converted debt the business owed to difficult external parties, to him.  That makes a buyer much less worried about chucking money in.  I'd also wager the Lease + 50% ground ownership, even via a tricky vehicle for transfer, adds for more value than it will be on paper on the day the deal was signed.

Two years ago, most serious buyers would have waited for Admin and got the club for a quid.  Why would anyone pay real money for a business that was a) loss making and b) owed 7m to nasty external parties (in terms of aggressive nature of collecting debt or the fact it was secured).

Now we have a business with 3-4m worth of assets on the books, trading at close to break even with record Revenue and most debt is to the owner.

From a pure business perspective, it's a remarkable salvage operation.

The downside - we got a shit football team as a result and a bunch of hangers on finding their own ways to leverage some of the Revenue or brand equity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 02:53:21
Quote from: Bogus Dave
My recollection was that The trust always claimed they had done all their due diligence on Zav Austin

mine too


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 06:02:40
Is everyone at the Trust naive? No. Are some? Absolutely.

They could have come out on Day One and said "The Trust notes the appointment of convicted drugs money launderer Zav Austin as Vice Chairman in charge of the day to day running of the club with concern." But they didn't.
Is he in charge of day to day operations?  I've not seen anything that suggests that.

Surely you've elevated him from an honorary spiv who has influence as a mate of Clems and given a slot on the AB, which many think is pointless - to someone who runs the club on a full-time basis.    The rest of the statement is fine but that bit is pure conspiracy and speculation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 06:15:13
The £2M debenture was what reported in the accounts for several years but may have not been the final settlement.

Peterborough's ground was sold back to the local council for £7M a few years ago so £2.3M for the CG looks a good deal for a similar size stadium.
It's hard to compare. 
The CG needs millions spent on it so would be substantially discounted compared to one that has been renovated.
The rent of only £200k pa caps the asset at around the £2m mark. 
 There's a covenant stopping resi being built restricting the long term premium.

No idea if Posh's ground had anything similar but I suspect they are paying £500k+ rent to get close to that valuation and to make it worthwhile for the council to spend tax payers money on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 06:45:15
Clem said he was there to oversee the running of the club in his absence, as he was going to be in Australia a lot, or something like that. It’s not a non-exec role.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 06:56:36
No idea on Clem being keen to fund the 50% of the purchase but the Eady Trust funding means the ground is owned by the Club, meaning when/ if the club is sold - the 50% ownership in the CGJV is also sold meaning no owner can keep hold of the asset once they sell the club. There are also mechanisms in place to prevent transfer of the Club's 50% share of the ground without the consent of the CGJV board, which then avoids the situation occurring without the Trust and fans knowing about it too.

I don't understand all this 50% ownership lark. If clem sold the club does he get 50% off the sale? Not a bad deal if he didn't pay a penny towards it. He will pass his debt on to the new owner and take a good share of the spoils. Is that how it works?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:10:39
Not my wheel house at all but assume the club owns 50% of the ground - so if Clem were to sell the club it would be an assets factored into the sale.

Like selling a house furnished rather than unfurnished I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:12:02
Surely the separate JV entity owns the CG. Clem ‘only’ owns 100% of the football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:24:24
I assume there are legal clauses that mean the club can’t raise finance secured against their 50% of the ground without the Trusts approval?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:30:53
I assume there are legal clauses that mean the club can’t raise finance secured against their 50% of the ground without the Trusts approval?

There are various things that need to be voted on with a majority outcome for it to happen. Raising debt against the asset is one of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:45:34
Surely the separate JV entity owns the CG. Clem ‘only’ owns 100% of the football club.

This and also worth bearing in mind that whilst Clem has, in theory, obtained 50% of a £2.3m 'asset' for free, what that is actually worth in real world monetary terms of probably a matter for such debate considering its an asset that needs probably 5x that spending on it, plus due to the nature of the JV he can't do much without approval from the other party, a party that is not remotely driven by financial matters. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:55:42
The March advisory board minutes were released on 14th, so I assume we get April's this week?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:56:35
Believe they are happening as we speak so i would think so. I bloody hope there is a lot more to be said before that though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 11:48:26
Is he in charge of day to day operations?  I've not seen anything that suggests that.

Surely you've elevated him from an honorary spiv who has influence as a mate of Clems and given a slot on the AB, which many think is pointless - to someone who runs the club on a full-time basis.    The rest of the statement is fine but that bit is pure conspiracy and speculation.

Zav is described by Clem, in a statement last summer, as the clubs Vice Chair, doing significant work for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 11:54:01
I don't understand all this 50% ownership lark. If clem sold the club does he get 50% off the sale? Not a bad deal if he didn't pay a penny towards it. He will pass his debt on to the new owner and take a good share of the spoils. Is that how it works?

The club owns a 50% share in a JV company.  That company, right now, owns a sole asset and has a single reason for existing - the ground.  They are run as two separate entities, with restrictions factored into how the JV company can operate.  The club, owned by Clem in it's entirety now has two assets on it's books that it acquired without payment - 50% ownership of the JV company and 100% ownership of a long term leasehold on the ground.  Both are realisable assets, both will need to be accounted for as such.  The club will charge depreciation of both assets to the Net Profit line in it's accounts, but now has 2m+ worth of assets on it's books that would absolutely increase the value of the business it operates.  Even with restrictions, they do open up financing opportunities, even if they could not be used as security.  Just being on the books increases the creditworthiness of the business.

In the event of a sale - the two big things are adding assets (at no cost) and transferring debt to Directors Loans.  Both these things make a buyer much more likely to pay money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:01:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m88XYHd73sY&t=1208s

Worth revisiting this Clem/Zav/Rob interview with Vic.

Skip to about 28 mins for Clem's description of Zav's involvement.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:10:01
"he did something stupid" is a bit of an understatement!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 13:55:22
What more should he say though Rob? He has acknowledged it

I agree he should not be at the club but surely we can all read between the lines and see he had to keep him on to be able to get the club. It's the day to day running of the club now though that Clem needs to address


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 14:00:08
I think this all began as a conversation about whether he had passed the FPP Test (which he clearly hasn't), the crap answers in the Advisory board and questions over whether his continued involvement in the club could make him a Relevant Person in the eyes of the EFL, leaving us open to some sort of punishment potentially.

After nearly two years it is about 'openness and transparency' in terms of what his actual role is at the club and if he failed the test, which seemed pretty inevitable given the history.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 14:04:19
What more should he say though Rob? He has acknowledged it



At that time, nothing.  It was just a rather underwhelming description of what he actually did - thought he would have at least given it a more serious response.  That's 18 months ago now though, means nothing about the here and now.

The now is about a club without any footballing knowledge or business acumen.

The now is about still having him hanging around despite ongoing court cases and FA/FL punishment possible.

The now is about the need to clear the decks and get this club operating like a proper football club.

What is clear in the 18 months since is Zav has added very little, that is out in the open and obvious beyond some sort of comfort cushion for Clem (or maybe worse, some sort of financial entanglement).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 14:13:31
What more should he say though Rob? He has acknowledged it

I agree he should not be at the club but surely we can all read between the lines and see he had to keep him on to be able to get the club. It's the day to day running of the club now though that Clem needs to address

Ultimately if Clem wants him there not sure what else those who don't can do, not seen anything to suggest that he is signing off on the finances above the CEO's head or the like and its Clems toy to do with what he pleases.

Like so much I am not sure what people are expecting Clem to come out and say, he has apparently addressed Austin's past previously so what else can or will he say (and what will it realistically achieve).

Likewise with this clamour for some sort of statement re this season or the mystical 1-5-10-200 year plans, it will all be some sterile nonsense about seeking promotion, getting us higher up the ladder, being sustainable etc with some generic KPI's which can be interpreted as achieved or not each year depending on whether one is a glass full or glass empty type.

What I don't expect to happen is the Game of Thrones esque Walk of Shame some seem to be clamouring for of a naked Austin and Sandro walking down Fleming Way whilst fans throw dung at them and shout 'shame', that just doesn't seem to be Clems style.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 14:18:16
Both these things make a buyer much more likely to pay money.

Coupled with your previous succint summaries this might explain why Power, after leafing through his copy of Business for Dummies, decided to get on board with the joint CG purchase plan with the Trust after the initial stonewalling.

He must have realised that there was no chance of the Eady Trust playing ball, so would have had to look at alternative sources of funding other than his own pocket.

All history now I know, but still interesting to see how a mind whose primary motive was greed might have operated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 14:55:07

What I don't expect to happen is the Game of Thrones esque Walk of Shame some seem to be clamouring for of a naked Austin and Sandro walking down Fleming Way whilst fans throw dung at them and shout 'shame', that just doesn't seem to be Clems style.

No - statements, public slayings, none of that necessary.  Actions are needed now - a complete overhaul being visible.  Well, unless more of the same is expected, in which case, carry on as we are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 17:03:04

What I don't expect to happen is the Game of Thrones esque Walk of Shame some seem to be clamouring for of a naked Austin and Sandro walking down Fleming Way whilst fans throw dung at them and shout 'shame', that just doesn't seem to be Clems style.

Can we have this instead of the open training session tomorrow?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 17:24:35
People sending an article round twitter saying Clems uk business went bust.

The article is from 2020 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Idiots


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 18:19:38
Desperate to dig up stuff now. Even more reson for him to come out make a statement and nip it in the bud


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 19:47:33
Was discussed on here at the time and supposedly just a restructure as most of the debt was to the parent group. HMRC were a creditor though so hope he did the right thing and paid them and any other creditors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 20:03:57
One thing I will say is, if the club just doesn't so any redeveloping and the council buy the ground back....I assume that money can't go to the club. It has to go back to the Eady estate.....right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 20:51:52
One thing I will say is, if the club just doesn't so any redeveloping and the council buy the ground back....I assume that money can't go to the club. It has to go back to the Eady estate.....right?

Right


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 21:01:29
Right

Good to know, thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 09:46:39
https://twitter.com/AdamLeventhal/status/1646045913628942337


Are we going to have a second one this year? If not, assume the club will be fined too? Appreciate its 'only' a £1,000 fine but not a great look for a regime who were phoning people up begging not to claim a couple hundred quid refund not so long ago.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 12:24:58
I head Morris referring to 'George' a few times in relation to the medical department and was curious who it was so looked him up on the club site.

I wondered if he was part of Adam Hart's consultancy team (called PWR...!), so went to his LinkedIn.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-keen-26b568172/

The pic at the top seems to show Adam Hart suited and booted on the County Ground pitch in a club tie. It definitely doesn't give off 'third party contractor' vibes. Aware he could have just bought it in the shop, but the optics are a bit strange.

Worth noting that neither Zavier Austin nor Hart appear on the club's 'Who's who' here:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 13:00:47
I head Morris referring to 'George' a few times in relation to the medical department and was curious who it was so looked him up on the club site.

I wondered if he was part of Adam Hart's consultancy team (called PWR...!), so went to his LinkedIn.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-keen-26b568172/

The pic at the top seems to show Adam Hart suited and booted on the County Ground pitch in a club tie. It definitely doesn't give off 'third party contractor' vibes. Aware he could have just bought it in the shop, but the optics are a bit strange.

Worth noting that neither Zavier Austin nor Hart appear on the club's 'Who's who' here:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

 
I heard he was on the club’s payroll this season and the ‘accidental’ title on the guest list the the other month confirms that really. He was a business partner with Zav Austin and a couple of boxing promoter types long before he was involved here so there’s always been more to his involvement at the club than the strength & conditioning stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 15:43:05
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united

Peterborough just got done on the Relevant Person small print.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 15:43:44
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united

Peterborough just got done on the Relevant Person small print.

Oh dear. Although I think that's not so much "small print" as "main print".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 15:59:53
Quote from: Mooneyraker
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united (https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united)

Peterborough just got done on the Relevant Person small print.


Birmingham done too for individuals getting control of the club without passing the FAPP test

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-birmingham-city

I know Clem is legit on this regard and sole owner, but you do wonder about Zav being a significant person


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:03:35
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united

Peterborough just got done on the Relevant Person small print.

I've got my own opinions of the Trust since the takeover, without starting it all off again about them, I don't think I'm alone in those..

Think absolutely nothing of the OSC.

However, these (and the tom Broadbent twitter lounge for digital content) are the designated groups for fan representation/questioning etc - with this coming to light at Pboro, and the pathetic responses to some of the Zav questions in the last AB mins, I hope they pushed for proper answers this time. Not just on them though, its for the club reps to give proper answers.

Hopefully him no longer being a listed as VC on the site isn't just a coincidence/oversight and its not a repeat of what's happened at Posh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:04:58
I really struggle to see how Zav is not a significant person when he was introduced by the owner as his Vice Chair and has continued to be involved?  I also do not see how he can qualify given his original sentence should mean the conviction is never spent.

Either way, it's not a good look when you are talking about a person intrinsically linked to the previous ownership debacle which is also under investigation.

Basically, the defence would need to  be - everything bad was Power, everyone else was thick as pig shit or blind and incompetent so we didn't see it, oh, and the convicted criminal in the VC position is actually not doing anything.  He just wears the Mayors Chain.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:07:06
I've got my own opinions of the Trust since the takeover, without starting it all off again about them, I don't think I'm alone in those..

Think absolutely nothing of the OSC.

However, these (and the tom Broadbent twitter lounge for digital content) are the designated groups for fan representation/questioning etc - with this coming to light at Pboro, and the pathetic responses to some of the Zav questions in the last AB mins, I hope they pushed for proper answers this time. Not just on them though, its for the club reps to give proper answers.

Hopefully him no longer being a listed as VC on the site isn't just a coincidence/oversight and its not a repeat of what's happened at Posh.
I think most would take 3points and 50k if it meant he wasn't anymore but can see him not there without that happening soon enough


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:10:28
I think most would take 3points and 50k if it meant he wasn't anymore but can see him not there without that happening soon enough

I'd take it

But its a fucking shambles that its even got to this, and that he's been involved as long as he has

(all hypothetical and based us on getting the same treatment as Posh and Birmingham)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:15:03
I know it's easy for me to sit here and say things but maybe it's just all had to be done. I am fairly sure Zav etc would not have agreed to help Clem get the club as Clem said already publicly for no reason. 

I think we have a huge summer coming up and i will be amazed if there aren't big changes but it's hard for me as people will think i am biased but i think we just need to see how it plays out


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:17:03
Even if we disagree with you the only thing we can do is wait for it to all play out.

And chat shit in the meantime


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:19:51
I know it's easy for me to sit here and say things but maybe it's just all had to be done. I am fairly sure Zav etc would not have agreed to help Clem get the club as Clem said already publicly for no reason. 

I think we have a huge summer coming up and i will be amazed if there aren't big changes but it's hard for me as people will think i am biased but i think we just need to see how it plays out

Clems always openly said that Zav is the reason he's at this club tbf


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:22:46
Oh dear. Although I think that's not so much "small print" as "main print".
Drops them out of the POs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:23:59
Drops them out of the POs.

Suspended sentence


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 16:25:47
Drops them out of the POs.

It’s suspended until December so won’t have any impact this season


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 17:35:21
Austin was appointed on 13th August 2021, which is when Clem claimed he would be applying to the EFL:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/

Here we are 20 months later with absolutely zero answers as to whether that has been successful, and he has been scrubbed from the Club directory. It is beyond farce, and frankly if the EFL were all over this and we lost 3 points this season it might send us down!

The risk vs reward balance on Austin is way out of whack to the casual observer, regardless of services rendered.

It is a great shame that the Adver don't seem to ask questions anymore. The only journalist around the club is Chris Hull who is in their pocket to an embarrassing extent (he's literally on the payroll), filming puff pieces with Zav out in Karachi!

Here's hoping the latest AB sheds some light.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 17:38:45
I'm no expert but do FOI's extend to organisations such as the EFL. In the sense that if a supporter were to reach out to them would they be legally obliged to confirm whether ZA passed the F & PPT test or not?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 17:39:49
I suspect FOI only extends to publicly funded bodies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 18:48:09
This may have been answered before, so sorry if I’m repeating old questions.

Are vice chairman required to take the fit and proper test?

If so, what were the findings on Zav?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 19:05:08
Anyone with executive level decision making within the club needs top pass the test - a Vice Chair would usually have voting rights at Board meetings and be able to make decisions in the absence of the Chair.  It would be a tough sell to say they are not an executive of the club.

The fact we submitted a request to the EFL would suggest we knew as much as well.

I think the answer is a fuzzy version of - we submitted it and they didn't say yes he is OK to work in that role.  Until cleared, the person is not supposed to fulfill the duties of the role.

That mostly supposition though, it could be they can make a good legal argument for his role being nothing more than note taking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 19:31:20
Seriously, maybe I’m missing something here but I don’t know why there is so much mileage on the current subject of personnel at the club. There’s fuck all anyone can do other than refuse to go and pay money. If there is or has been wrong doing at the club then I’m sure the EFL will find them out and we’ll get punished. I mean what has changed over the years regarding STFC?

I don’t mean the authorities having it in for us because we’re STFC innit! What’s been announced today shows that other clubs have been punished for wrong doing.

So it is down to Clem and everyone else to be bloody squeaky clean because a) we’re already under investigation from the Pee Lower era b) giving the authorities something else to spank us with is just gross stupidity c) the fans will just say fuck off, same shit, different owners and vote with their wallets.

At least the Eady dosh seems protected against any nare do Wells if the shit hits the fans.

I agree that it would seem the club have not been, I don’t know, entirely transparent? 100% up front?

As it stands there is no-one else riding towards SN1 on a white ‘orse in shining armour with an unlimited chest of clean money to rescue little old poor lowley swindon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 20:21:03
Its also extremely annoying how long this FA case over the ownership of the club (Power/Standing) has dragged on for. Its ridiculous. Clem been owner for nearly 2 years and there is no movement on it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 12, 2023, 22:14:16
Its also extremely annoying how long this FA case over the ownership of the club (Power/Standing) has dragged on for. Its ridiculous. Clem been owner for nearly 2 years and there is no movement on it

Maybe there is a back log of misdemeanours for the authorities to Wade through we’ll just have to wait for the grim repeater to dish out summary justice in due course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 03:13:10
Its also extremely annoying how long this FA case over the ownership of the club (Power/Standing) has dragged on for. Its ridiculous. Clem been owner for nearly 2 years and there is no movement on it
Are the FA not waiting on the outcome of their court case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 07:25:10
Are the FA not waiting on the outcome of their court case?

Yeah believe so. That court case in itself id a joke, how long has thst been going on now? 3/4 years?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 07:27:02
I can't even remember the ins and outs...

If Standing wins doesn't he just show his arse to the FA and get us banged with a points deduction?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 07:38:24
He resigned from being an agent.

Unfortunately, Power can’t resign from being an odious cunt.

Any FA punishment will be directed at the club not those 2.

Isn’t Standing after £6m or something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 07:54:37
Something like that. It was big money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:14:32
We appear to have won Community Club of the Season for League Two. The award cites "Swindon Town’s commitment to integrate and support refugees in the area set them apart from other Clubs in League Two, using football as a force for good to build connections and drive positive change." which sounds lovely but I can't really see what it's referring to - anyone happen to know what it is that the club/foundation have done here?

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-community-awards-divisional-winners-revealed


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:25:11
I can't even remember the ins and outs...

If Standing wins doesn't he just show his arse to the FA and get us banged with a points deduction?

Assuming that both Power & Standing no longer have any interests in the game, it's difficult to see how they can be sanctioned other than bans on any future involvement.

Ideal scenario would be Power having to pay Standing and / or Barry back & also being fined by the FA such that he's out of pocket overall.

But, yeah the club will end up with the fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:25:22
.

Any FA punishment will be directed at the club not those 2.


You sure about that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:25:46
It'll be around the social inclusion stuff they do. The work they do there is absolutely insane https://www.stfcfoundation.com/programmes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:27:04
I know at the fans forum Clem said that they had been advised there will be no points deduction and likely be a fine


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:30:12
You sure about that?
Nope


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:41:31
I know at the fans forum Clem said that they had been advised there will be no points deduction and likely be a fine

Possibly so, but if we get clobbered ala Peterborough on top of this I suspect any points deduction will have the 'suspended' bit omitted for repeat offences.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:43:28
Think we are just creating scenarios though aren't we? Nothing to suggest that we are under any further investigation


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:46:46
Don't know if people have been keeping tabs of the losses posted by League One clubs this accounts season but it's genuinely staggering. Bolton losing £5.7mn, Charlton losing £7mn. Know our fans are desperate to return to League One but the landscape has changed dramatically and don't think there's ever really chance of competing there now unless you have an owner with very very deep pockets, or can be an outlier/well ran club like Plymouth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:48:31
We appear to have won Community Club of the Season for League Two. The award cites "Swindon Town’s commitment to integrate and support refugees in the area set them apart from other Clubs in League Two, using football as a force for good to build connections and drive positive change." which sounds lovely but I can't really see what it's referring to - anyone happen to know what it is that the club/foundation have done here?

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-community-awards-divisional-winners-revealed

This should be in the rumoured good news thread. ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:50:11
Seeing a lot of the questions being asked again and rightly so but just a quick link to when they did answer alot of questions and went quite in depth regarding Austin and Hart

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1nAKEYrrkjRKL

Probably about 35 mins in i would say


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:52:07
Don't know if people have been keeping tabs of the losses posted by League One clubs this accounts season but it's genuinely staggering. Bolton losing £5.7mn, Charlton losing £7mn. Know our fans are desperate to return to League One but the landscape has changed dramatically and don't think there's ever really chance of competing there now unless you have an owner with very very deep pockets, or can be an outlier/well ran club like Plymouth.

We're never going to be the best funded club in League One, but as you say, being well run would make us competitive. There have always been huge clubs in L1 - 2012/13 Sheffield United finished one point ahead of us, 2010/11 when we went down Southampton finished second to Brighton. 2009/10 when we got to Wembley, Southampton missed out on the playoffs, Norwich and Leeds went up.

We're well capable of being a medium sized fish in that pond.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 08:56:15
I’m pretty sure based on historic results Town are about 10th in the Third tier, and if the club was being run well you would like to think that is still achievable.

With funding as it is now across football I’m not sure we could compete at Championship level without a generous benefactor


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:05:27
We appear to have won Community Club of the Season for League Two. The award cites "Swindon Town’s commitment to integrate and support refugees in the area set them apart from other Clubs in League Two, using football as a force for good to build connections and drive positive change." which sounds lovely but I can't really see what it's referring to - anyone happen to know what it is that the club/foundation have done here?

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-community-awards-divisional-winners-revealed

This is all the work of the community foundation. Believe they are a separate arm to the club? Do an unreal job with all kinds of different groups in the town and do a lot internationally also. Great set up they have and only getting better with the developments at foundation park, club should look at them for tips on running a set up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:13:37
Seeing a lot of the questions being asked again and rightly so but just a quick link to when they did answer alot of questions and went quite in depth regarding Austin and Hart

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1nAKEYrrkjRKL

Probably about 35 mins in i would say

Ta for that, its actually 39 mins in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:25:31
We appear to have won Community Club of the Season for League Two. The award cites "Swindon Town’s commitment to integrate and support refugees in the area set them apart from other Clubs in League Two, using football as a force for good to build connections and drive positive change." which sounds lovely but I can't really see what it's referring to - anyone happen to know what it is that the club/foundation have done here?

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-community-awards-divisional-winners-revealed
Probably the good news rumoured to be coming this week I would think.

EDIT: beaten to it by BO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:27:57
I’m pretty sure based on historic results Town are about 10th in the Third tier, and if the club was being run well you would like to think that is still achievable.

With funding as it is now across football I’m not sure we could compete at Championship level without a generous benefactor
Absolutely agree on both counts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:33:43
I’m pretty sure based on historic results Town are about 10th in the Third tier, and if the club was being run well you would like to think that is still achievable.

With funding as it is now across football I’m not sure we could compete at Championship level without a generous benefactor

Good post. Anybody suggesting we cant compete and get in to L1 what are you paying to watch? For us make up the numbers in Div4? Fuck that

We find ourselves in a League below Morecombe, Fleetwood, Burton, Cambridge, FGR, Cheltenham etc etc. Two leagues below Luton, Millwall and Rotherham.

We're Swindon Town FFS, demand more. Agree the best we can hope for is Rotherham/Peterborough realistically, flirt with Champ but unable to seriously compete. Which is fair enough and i'd bite your hand off for.  Accepting D4 mediocracy stinks for me. 



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:46:44
Good post. Anybody suggesting we cant compete and get in to L1 what are you paying to watch? For us make up the numbers in Div4? Fuck that

We find ourselves in a League below Morecombe, Fleetwood, Burton, Cambridge, FGR, Cheltenham etc etc. Two leagues below Luton, Millwall and Rotherham.

We're Swindon Town FFS, demand more. Agree the best we can hope for is Rotherham/Peterborough realistically, flirt with Champ but unable to seriously compete. Which is fair enough and i'd bite your hand off for.  Accepting D4 mediocracy stinks for me. 

This.

Out of interest, what is the most consecutive seasons we have spent in the 4th tier?

I'd guess three and, if so, failure next season would be a historical low.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:54:21
Good post. Anybody suggesting we cant compete and get in to L1 what are you paying to watch? For us make up the numbers in Div4? Fuck that

We find ourselves in a League below Morecombe, Fleetwood, Burton, Cambridge, FGR, Cheltenham etc etc. Two leagues below Luton, Millwall and Rotherham.

We're Swindon Town FFS, demand more. Agree the best we can hope for is Rotherham/Peterborough realistically, flirt with Champ but unable to seriously compete. Which is fair enough and i'd bite your hand off for.  Accepting D4 mediocracy stinks for me.  


Don't think I've seen anyone suggest that but totally agree nonetheless. I would love to see us one day get back into the Championship and be able to stay there and be competitive as a small fish in a big pond. That's the dream anyway (I gave up on any thoughts of getting back to the Prem a long, long time ago)...getting the hell out of L2 would certainly be a good start though as we are way better than that...looks like a pretty arrogant statement I know but that's how I feel...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:55:49
Wycombe have been a competitive L1 side and achieved promotion while being broadly sustainable

Not saying it’s not difficult. But it’s possible


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 09:57:41
And it's something we should be able to achieve. Regularly getting 9,000+ crowds when you're utterly crap is a pretty damned solid base to start from.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 10:06:10
Wycombe have been a competitive L1 side and achieved promotion while being broadly sustainable

Not saying it’s not difficult. But it’s possible
Wycombe's latest accounts showed them making a £2.5mn loss last season.

It's definitely possible we can go back to our historic position, but it may require someone with deeper pockets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 10:10:09
@RedRag

Escaped at the 4th attempt in our first stint in the basement in the 80's.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:12:10
Apart from Orient, we are the only team in L2 that hasn’t had the double done over us.

Yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:22:45
Bradford and Stevenage will soon sort that out even if Barrow don't!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:25:35
Bradford and Stevenage will soon sort that out even if Barrow don't!

Drew at Bradford Jimbo

Stevenage will though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:26:27
Drew at Bradford Jimbo

Stevenage will though

We had a different team away at Bradford plus they need the points😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:28:20
Bradford and Stevenage will soon sort that out even if Barrow don't!

We won at Barrow so are safe from being doubled for a few more days.

Last win seems like a long time ago now.

If we do get through the season without being beaten both home & away by anyone, then is that just a statistical anomaly or worthy of further analysis?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:33:29
As we beat Barra and drew with Bradford and Wimbledon, Stevenage and Crewe are the only ones who do the double over us. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:34:52
Quote from: OOH!  SHAUN TAYLOR
Don't think I've seen anyone suggest that but totally agree nonetheless..

There are a few 'don't care what league, as long as I'm entertained' types about.

it's not for me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:36:25
As we beat Barra and drew with Bradford and Wimbledon, Stevenage and Crewe are the only ones who do the double over us. 

Crawley as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:38:34
As we beat Barra and drew with Bradford and Wimbledon, Stevenage and Crewe are the only ones who do the double over us.  

Apologies all I forgot about the results quoted above so expect both Stevenage and Crewe to do the double over us and who knows hat Lindsey has up his sleeve!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 11:53:10
Crawley as well.

Indeed, I forgot we had a game in May and failed to scroll the page over.

Could be worse, due to postponements and the need for the league to be finished by a certain date, as its stands Sandhurst Town have got to play 11 games in 10 days (although it does possibly look like the FA may allow an extension).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtlM107WYAAGupJ?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 13:53:37
Good post. Anybody suggesting we cant compete and get in to L1 what are you paying to watch? For us make up the numbers in Div4? Fuck that

We find ourselves in a League below Morecombe, Fleetwood, Burton, Cambridge, FGR, Cheltenham etc etc. Two leagues below Luton, Millwall and Rotherham.

We're Swindon Town FFS, demand more. Agree the best we can hope for is Rotherham/Peterborough realistically, flirt with Champ but unable to seriously compete. Which is fair enough and i'd bite your hand off for.  Accepting D4 mediocracy stinks for me.  



The absolute cuckold nature of some of our fan base is infuriating. Total 'expect nothing but misery' attitude. There is being realistic and then there is being pessimistic and then there is whatever this attitude some of our fans have which is a couple of levels below pessimistic in to strange complex territory. An attitude that we should be grateful to be competing a division below historical non league clubs like Accrington Stanley with a smile on our faces.

Absolute oddball behaviour.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 14:01:13
Drew at Bradford Jimbo

Stevenage will though

I was there at Bradford that night and thought we might 'do something'.

if we get smashed on Saturday i might give the home leg a miss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 14:06:09
The absolute cuckold nature of some of our fan base is infuriating. Total 'expect nothing but misery' attitude. There is being realistic and then there is being pessimistic and then there is whatever this attitude some of our fans have which is a couple of levels below pessimistic in to strange complex territory. An attitude that we should be grateful to be competing a division below historical non league clubs like Accrington Stanley with a smile on our faces.

Absolute oddball behaviour.

Couldn't agree more. Just because we nearly went under with Power doesn't mean we set our expectations to 'dross' for the rest of time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 14:29:43
Albeit only have experience of a limited cross section of the current fanbase, but can't imagine that very many are happy or accepting of their current lot.

Going week in, week out no matter what without complaint shouldn't be confused with a blind acceptance of circumstance.

I do have a great deal of admiration for the generally younger angry & tormented type souls who will probe & question no matter what. It's good and provides some lifeblood that the club should take notice of.

Don't let that passion quench the flame as it often ends up doing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 20:34:25
That famous Johnny Rotten quote aptly sums up my feeling for Supporting this crock of shit right now.
“Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated.”

Can’t wait for this season to finish so I can have a break from it.

Relentless misery.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, April 13, 2023, 22:41:29
DoB

Your latest message sums up my feelings to the word.

Mr Clem Morfuni really does need to start making some comments... cos, suggest he is currently playing with fire.

The honeymoon period has long gone and the reality has set in.

What is upsetting is Rob Angus's silence. That said, perhaps he values his current position or possibly there is nothing to tell.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 14, 2023, 07:42:28
DoB

Your latest message sums up my feelings to the word.

Mr Clem Morfuni really does need to start making some comments... cos, suggest he is currently playing with fire.

The honeymoon period has long gone and the reality has set in.

What is upsetting is Rob Angus's silence. That said, perhaps he values his current position or possibly there is nothing to tell.

 
Fingers crossed we do today


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 14, 2023, 07:52:53
Fingers crossed we do today

Need more than fan engagement activity.

A complete shit show on the pitch that needs major surgery close season.
Would help if we could at least get a flavour of acknowledgment and lessons learnt.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:02:34
Good post. Anybody suggesting we cant compete and get in to L1 what are you paying to watch? For us make up the numbers in Div4? Fuck that

We find ourselves in a League below Morecombe, Fleetwood, Burton, Cambridge, FGR, Cheltenham etc etc. Two leagues below Luton, Millwall and Rotherham.

We're Swindon Town FFS, demand more. Agree the best we can hope for is Rotherham/Peterborough realistically, flirt with Champ but unable to seriously compete. Which is fair enough and i'd bite your hand off for.  Accepting D4 mediocracy stinks for me. 



We should be mixing it in league one . But saying stuff like were swindon ffs just ignores the reality of where we are and have been for quite a long time now. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:16:07
The absolute cuckold nature of some of our fan base is infuriating. Total 'expect nothing but misery' attitude. There is being realistic and then there is being pessimistic and then there is whatever this attitude some of our fans have which is a couple of levels below pessimistic in to strange complex territory. An attitude that we should be grateful to be competing a division below historical non league clubs like Accrington Stanley with a smile on our faces.

Absolute oddball behaviour.

Spot on, great post 👏.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:24:24
We should be mixing it in league one . But saying stuff like were swindon ffs just ignores the reality of where we are and have been for quite a long time now. 

I dont for a second dispute we are where we deserve to be right now. My point is that this should be seen as the lowest of lowest ebbs,  theres been a rhetoric across a few fan outlets/ twitter that we're in a good place/the best we could ever hope for now and that the club is operating wonderfully.

I've never seen such a tinpot/amateur/penny pinching setup.

The club is showing zero ambition right now. I fully expect that in the coming pre-season the fans to be blamed that we cant be as competitive next year because ST sales are down. Problem is they've had 2 years of goodwill and pissed on the fans at every opportunity... sadly they will now reap what they have sown.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:37:15
We should have built on last season - and chose not to. Whether Garner/Chorley and several players leaving was a decision by them or that the club didn’t try too hard to retain them we’ll never know for sure. Would have thought that after coming close last season with a firm commitment by the club to kick on would have convinced them to stay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:39:15
I've never seen such a tinpot/amateur/penny pinching setup.

Not sure that the current lot quite compete with Jed and the Cruise Ship 4 on those points, but they're certainly not as far ahead as they should be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:41:12
https://jobs4football.com/job/performance-analyst-18/

Just popped up on twitter. Performance Analyst/Scout as an intern  :headhurts:

Pay peanuts get monkeys.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:44:19
https://jobs4football.com/job/performance-analyst-18/

Just popped up on twitter. Performance Analyst/Scout as an intern  :headhurts:

Pay peanuts get monkeys.
Pretty sure the last intern in that role was considered a "leak" of information before he left from what I have been told. Didn't end amicably.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 14, 2023, 08:48:23
Tbf, we’re not the only club offering the same position to an intern. Burnley are also advertising.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 14, 2023, 09:17:54
I think the difference is Burnley are offering "competitive salary" we will no doubt want the person to do it for free or peanuts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, April 14, 2023, 09:27:25
Burnleys also states it's with the academy... ours rather ambiguously mentions its could be Mens/Womens/Academy.... wonder which it will be :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:07:29
I'm not as against this as some, night help get someone's foot in the door at some point, if not here then elsewhere. certainly better than sitting on your todd.

But you'd expect expenses to be covered, which they might be but but mentioned.

only really suitable for a local living at home


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:13:20
I think the difference is Burnley are offering "competitive salary" we will no doubt want the person to do it for free or peanuts
What are Burnley offerring


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:27:52
But saying stuff like were swindon ffs just ignores the reality of where we are and have been for quite a long time now. 

No, it isn't. 

People act like saying "We're Swindon" is some sort of delusional outburst and trying to say we deserve to be competing at the right end of the championship.

It isn't saying we're under some false impression we're as big as a Middlesbrough or Sunderland or something. Its simply saying what the first part of your post said, "We should be mixing it in league one". Nothing more, nothing less.

It's actually more delusional to pretend that struggling to compete with Barrow and Sutton is the norm for us and what we should expect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:28:04
I dont for a second dispute we are where we deserve to be right now. My point is that this should be seen as the lowest of lowest ebbs,  theres been a rhetoric across a few fan outlets/ twitter that we're in a good place/the best we could ever hope for now and that the club is operating wonderfully.

I've never seen such a tinpot/amateur/penny pinching setup.

The club is showing zero ambition right now. I fully expect that in the coming pre-season the fans to be blamed that we cant be as competitive next year because ST sales are down. Problem is they've had 2 years of goodwill and pissed on the fans at every opportunity... sadly they will now reap what they have sown.

This spot on. The majority of fans I know feel the same.
The silence is deafening. I await the latest positive spin around engagement and stadium purchase.

Well let’s have some much needed news on the priority- the actual piece around the playing set up.
Because it appears a shit show and showing no signs of improvement.

9,000 attendances at this level is nothing short of outstanding.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:31:54
No, it isn't. 

People act like saying "We're Swindon" is some sort of delusional outburst and trying to say we deserve to be competing at the right end of the championship.

It isn't saying we're under some false impression we're as big as a Middlesbrough or Sunderland or something. Its simply saying what the first part of your post said, "We should be mixing it in league one". Nothing more, nothing less.

It's actually more delusional to pretend that struggling to compete with Barrow and Sutton is the norm for us and what we should expect.

This every time.
Fucking hell we can’t even compete at this shit tinpot level with our revenue income.
Ohh wait a minute.

Can someone at the club wake me up when we are ready again.

The loyalty card is the only thing left for me right now, if that was lost I wouldn’t be going, no fucking way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:34:59
I dont for a second dispute we are where we deserve to be right now. My point is that this should be seen as the lowest of lowest ebbs,  theres been a rhetoric across a few fan outlets/ twitter that we're in a good place/the best we could ever hope for now and that the club is operating wonderfully.

I've never seen such a tinpot/amateur/penny pinching setup.

The club is showing zero ambition right now. I fully expect that in the coming pre-season the fans to be blamed that we cant be as competitive next year because ST sales are down. Problem is they've had 2 years of goodwill and pissed on the fans at every opportunity... sadly they will now reap what they have sown.

This.

Its fucking enabling the lack the ambition. Sick of hearing the shite.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:36:05
Burnleys also states it's with the academy... ours rather ambiguously mentions its could be Mens/Womens/Academy.... wonder which it will be :sherlock:

All of the above, I suspect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:48:11
This.

Its fucking enabling the lack the ambition. Sick of hearing the shite.

Amen. But "we've never been in better shape off the pitch" apparently...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:55:21
https://jobs4football.com/job/performance-analyst-18/

Just popped up on twitter. Performance Analyst/Scout as an intern  :headhurts:

Pay peanuts get monkeys.

https://www.gov.uk/employment-rights-for-interns#:~:text=Rights%20to%20the%20National%20Minimum,that%20they're%20a%20volunteer

I hope we are not setting ourselves up for an employment tribunal here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:58:28
Amen. But "we've never been in better shape off the pitch" apparently...

The Balance Sheet on the next accounts has every chance of looking quite impressive, for us, and clubs at this level.  From a purely business sense, if you were looking to sell or raise capital, you are indeed in good shape for both.

Operationally, anyone doing proper due diligence would have some concerns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:05:24
https://jobs4football.com/job/performance-analyst-18/

Just popped up on twitter. Performance Analyst/Scout as an intern  :headhurts:

Pay peanuts get monkeys.

Tinpot


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:08:02
Actually, on that internship role.  If the club wanted to do this properly, and avoid high costs, it's a perfect area for partnerships.  Get in touch with a local University that has a sports programme and get an official internship process in place with them.  They'd need to be for less than 12 months to qualify, but you can then tap into a constant stream of willing new talent while also supporting a local establishment.  Good press, good supply of talent for an entry level role, minimal cost.

Of course, to work, you'd need someone they report into to learn from and someone heading up the Dept to run the partnership who knows what they are doing.

I've employed plenty of new data analysts fresh from University.  Sometimes it's one job after they leave Uni, so they gained some work experience before applying.  They are going to need guidance and a lot of support to develop quickly, but they will be eager to learn.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:08:19
So are we getting the ‘good news’ today or is the can just getting kicked down the road again?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:08:44
Amen. But "we've never been in better shape off the pitch" apparently...

Maybe if our history started with Jed McCrory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:09:11
as an old manager used to say in meetings "silence is acceptance".

Why would anyone accept our lot is middling league 2 trying to be a poundland Crewe.

I get there is a lot for Clem and co to juggle and get straight financially which is taking time. But how long? What's the plan?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:14:10
No, it isn't. 

People act like saying "We're Swindon" is some sort of delusional outburst and trying to say we deserve to be competing at the right end of the championship.

It isn't saying we're under some false impression we're as big as a Middlesbrough or Sunderland or something. Its simply saying what the first part of your post said, "We should be mixing it in league one". Nothing more, nothing less.

It's actually more delusional to pretend that struggling to compete with Barrow and Sutton is the norm for us and what we should expect.

We agree on the level of football but I still think 'we are Swindon etc' sounds to use your term delusional . We dont have to agree on that.

Did anyone on here doubt  back in whenever it was whether the current owner was the rising tide?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:15:30
The Balance Sheet on the next accounts has every chance of looking quite impressive, for us, and clubs at this level.  From a purely business sense, if you were looking to sell or raise capital, you are indeed in good shape for both.

Operationally, anyone doing proper due diligence would have some concerns.

Agreed, but the "never been in better shape" argument is tosh. Rather like when people said 2016 was the worst year ever. Fine, the club to all intents and purposes now own the stadium but everything else is a 'dumpster fire' to use a modern term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:52:04
On another note, we should be getting the next AB minutes imminently I imagine...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:25:22
So are we getting the ‘good news’ today or is the can just getting kicked down the road again?

Have we actually been told by anyone that we are getting ‘good news’ or is it just internet rumours?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:28:32
Have we actually been told by anyone that we are getting ‘good news’ or is it just internet rumours?
We don’t get communications from the club so the latter. But there were a lot of ‘ITK’ posters claiming positive news this week. Half expecting it was just that community club award!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:34:27
I think it was


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:45:35
I think it was
If that’s the case and they think that ‘award’ is going to lead to a more positive attitude amongst supporters then they’d be more deluded than I thought.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:48:04
We don’t get communications from the club so the latter. But there were a lot of ‘ITK’ posters claiming positive news this week. Half expecting it was just that community club award!

Speechless if so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 14, 2023, 14:18:20
Pretty sure there was lots of other nuggets supposed to be announced but as per usual any announcement this club makes is sent by fucking carrier pigeon


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 14:18:48
ah, will that's reassuring


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 14, 2023, 14:27:50
Pretty sure there was lots of other nuggets supposed to be announced but as per usual any announcement this club makes is sent by fucking carrier pigeon

More likely they use a free Pigeon from the Town Centre.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 14, 2023, 14:31:58
More likely they use a free Pigeon from the Town Centre.

Ah that explains why there's no news - that woman has pissed on the pigeon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 14, 2023, 15:22:11
There is no good news.

Feels like no bad news is acceptable.
How many season tickets have we sold so far?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 14, 2023, 15:23:24
Pretty sure there was lots of other nuggets supposed to be announced but as per usual any announcement this club makes is sent by fucking carrier pigeon

The pigeon is flying from Kirachi 😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:02:10
The pigeon is flying from Kirachi 😂

It got turned back, didnt have a sponsored visa


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:13:45
It got turned back, didnt have a sponsored visa

I heard it was strapped to a plane with the flight code ZAV1312


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:25:14
Just of interest, is Mr Di Michelle safe?  Has anyone seen him blink in a video or received confirmation of life?  He seems to have gone very quiet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:26:52
Just of interest, is Mr Di Michelle safe?  Has anyone seen him blink in a video or received confirmation of life?  He seems to have gone very quiet.

Cue grainy video of him holding today's paper. "They are treating me well."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:28:06
Just of interest, is Mr Di Michelle safe?  Has anyone seen him blink in a video or received confirmation of life?  He seems to have gone very quiet.

Who knows, but judging from some of the stuff which has been written on social media about him I wonder whether he is checking under his car each morning with one of those mirror things on wheels that we all had to endure at Brize back in the day.  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:35:09
Who knows, but judging from some of the stuff which has been written on social media about him I wonder whether he is checking under his car each morning with one of those mirror things on wheels that we all had to endure at Brize back in the day.  ::)

Can anyone else think of an 'upstairs' football figure, not including owners etc, ever becoming such a lightning rod for fan criticism? It is quite a novel phenomenon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:45:57
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/anton-dworzak-signs-pro-deal-with-town/

No Sandro quote…  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:49:53
Can anyone else think of an 'upstairs' football figure, not including owners etc, ever becoming such a lightning rod for fan criticism? It is quite a novel phenomenon.
It’s not surprising, though. Clem still has a good amount of goodwill in the bank so it’s been deflected from him, Rob Angus is seen as ‘one of us’and Sandro is probably the most visible so he gets the shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:53:22
Who is the 'JR' he's pictured with?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:04:21
Jamie Russell. Really nice bloke and the youngsters love him at the club. He has been over the warm room often and wants and encourages the youngsters to get involved in helping the local community. Believe he was at Salford and a few other clubs before, really lucky imo to have someone like him


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:23:32
Jamie Russell. Really nice bloke and the youngsters love him at the club. He has been over the warm room often and wants and encourages the youngsters to get involved in helping the local community. Believe he was at Salford and a few other clubs before, really lucky imo to have someone like him
Thank you


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:25:50

If you or any others haven’t already, watch his interview with Vic Morgan. Comes across brilliantly, lucky to have him. Funnily enough Someone like him would make the perfect DOF imo, a real football man.


https://www.youtube.com/live/nLLeSEO9Ylg?feature=share
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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 14, 2023, 18:16:16
Jamie Russell. Really nice bloke and the youngsters love him at the club. He has been over the warm room often and wants and encourages the youngsters to get involved in helping the local community. Believe he was at Salford and a few other clubs before, really lucky imo to have someone like him

Given all the negativity around some of the staff at STFC it's great to read stuff like this. I mean there are probably more than good than bad eggs at the club to be fair but the good guys tend to just go about their business without fanfare (which they probably want)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 18:40:39
Honestly that OSC interview was a breath of fresh air.

God knows how he's ended up here


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 18:47:08
To put a positive spin on things, you'd hope Morris and Brand can add some value for coaches like this fella and the Academy in general. Whatever anyone thinks of their first team management, they've spent a long time in key positions at one of the best academies in the world. We've clearly got a good team in ours judging by this video so maybe Clem has prioritised it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 15, 2023, 12:03:07
 was there any news?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, April 15, 2023, 12:12:28
was there any news?

I put the bins out on Friday but the recent Bank Holiday means they won't get collected until Monday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 08:22:57
Apparently it was in Rob Angus' programme notes yesterday that the club have admitted they got recruitment wrong this season and plan to address it/change in the summer. Great for the club to admit it, but should be shouting it louder with the upcoming early bird deadline and get that message out there more rather than it being in the programme which doesn't have the reach it once did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 09:34:32
Actions speak louder than words. Zav and Sandro both said to be there yesterday. I sit in the DRS so hard to confirm for sure but it certainly looked like the pair of them sat with Powers Platinum henchman, away from Angus mind.


The fans have backed them and they've pissed it up the wall. They now have to build it for the numbers to return.... chicken and egg situation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 10:55:03
Apparently it was in Rob Angus' programme notes yesterday that the club have admitted they got recruitment wrong this season and plan to address it/change in the summer. Great for the club to admit it, but should be shouting it louder with the upcoming early bird deadline and get that message out there more rather than it being in the programme which doesn't have the reach it once did.

CT Theory: Announce the plans after the window so everyone holding off to see pays more 😁😁😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 11:27:51
Actions speak louder than words. Zav and Sandro both said to be there yesterday. I sit in the DRS so hard to confirm for sure but it certainly looked like the pair of them sat with Powers Platinum henchman, away from Angus mind.


The fans have backed them and they've pissed it up the wall. They now have to build it for the numbers to return.... chicken and egg situation.

Was there; was posted on twitter by someone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 11:32:30
You would think even the empty seats around would be a clue to what's going on!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 11:36:39
You would think even the empty seats around would be a clue to what's going on!

Yep, no way was that 8K there yesterday. Especially as the turnstile I went through in The DRS had the ticket scanner switched off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 11:42:00
Yep, no way was that 8K there yesterday. Especially as the turnstile I went through in The DRS had the ticket scanner switched off.

What would be an estimate from what you saw?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 11:52:45
Morfuni... if he does own the club needs to get back and sort things out.
Both off the pitch and on it.
Transitional times especially with the purchase of the ground.  Things could very easily sour quickly if not managed 🤔


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 12:03:54
Quote
What would be an estimate from what you saw?
not sure when this was taken, but it felt more full sitting in the DRS though there were gaps.

could be just before half time, or the end? arkells dwellers, was it really this empty all game?

https://twitter.com/declan_pike/status/1647285954766336000?t=fX4EcQHWzgiPFS1ZueJF7w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/declan_pike/status/1647285954766336000?t=fX4EcQHWzgiPFS1ZueJF7w&s=19)

edit: about 40 in apparently. some could have gone for an early sausage roll


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 12:36:15
not sure when this was taken, but it felt more full sitting in the DRS though there were gaps.

could be just before half time, or the end? arkells dwellers, was it really this empty all game?

https://twitter.com/declan_pike/status/1647285954766336000?t=fX4EcQHWzgiPFS1ZueJF7w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/declan_pike/status/1647285954766336000?t=fX4EcQHWzgiPFS1ZueJF7w&s=19)

edit: about 40 in apparently. some could have gone for an early sausage roll

See, I felt that the DRS stand felt empty yesterday. Normally where I sit all the rows are full, yesterday this wasn’t the case. Nowhere near 8k were there however a seat sold will be counted regardless if the person attends or not I believe,

Most around me are season ticket holders I should add who were attended the game. Cheekily enough some randoms were in our seats however couldn’t be bothered to ask them to move so sat in the row in front!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 12:53:13
here is what Rob said in the program yesterday

https://twitter.com/BatchStfc/status/1647583658025336832?t=gAeu5l8Ls_r4LQES-2hBjw&s=19

The right words, let's see the execution now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 12:55:58
I would have expected the Quaggy to know the exact number that attended yesterday


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 15:24:35
What would be an estimate from what you saw?

Felt very empty yesterday. Very quiet in Legends before the game, no queue to get in to The DRS, got my HT beverage in record time, even managed to exit the stadium at FT without any problems. I said to my mate it looked about a 6K crowd. I’m wondering if they count all the season ticket holders regardless if they turn up or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 15:35:05
Felt very empty yesterday. Very quiet in Legends before the game, no queue to get in to The DRS, got my HT beverage in record time, even managed to exit the stadium at FT without any problems. I said to my mate it looked about a 6K crowd. I’m wondering if they count all the season ticket holders regardless if they turn up or not.

Cheers Grim, all season ticket holders are counted even if they don't turn up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 15:42:04
The absolute cuckold nature of some of our fan base is infuriating. Total 'expect nothing but misery' attitude. There is being realistic and then there is being pessimistic and then there is whatever this attitude some of our fans have which is a couple of levels below pessimistic in to strange complex territory. An attitude that we should be grateful to be competing a division below historical non league clubs like Accrington Stanley with a smile on our faces.

Absolute oddball behaviour.

After seeing some of the posts on different threads this weekend, I go back to this post. Standards are in the bin at this club.

Those Angus comments are all well and good - need to see proof/action of it though.
Probs be better in a statement addressing wider fanbase and not tucked away in a £4 souvenir? and certainly be better coming from the owner of the club. Angus seems to be the fall guy at the moment as nobody else bothers speaking. Shame to see Zav and Sandro pictured . May of been 8000 tickets sold but everyone there saying it wasn't close to that... that's just a preview for next season. My guess is around 3-3.5k season tickets next season.

Bored of the cucks clutching onto the ground purchase as a new thing to happy clap about. Yes, It's fantastic we've got the ground, its an asset for the club and surely means we will see serious investment on pitch with circa 500k saved, right? But as its been said elsewhere this deal was oven ready when LP was here, of course details, prices and terms in contract will change and need work, but the fact is the only reason this happened was because of the late Legend that is Nigel Eady, nobody else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 16:21:35
Can anyone else think of an 'upstairs' football figure, not including owners etc, ever becoming such a lightning rod for fan criticism? It is quite a novel phenomenon.

Ross Wilson at Rangers similarly hated and fans have been celebrating since he got poached by Forest.

If clubs are going to persist with this set up then its to be expected. Directors of Football/Technical Directors are just as responsible as the Manager/Head Coach in this system.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 16:27:50
can't really remember it at Swindon before though..

owners, chairman, the board, managers and special advisors yes.

even the Sheridan year wasn't Jewell DoF? ok we were all locked out but even so


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 16:28:22
It’s fine for Sandro (or whoever) to use his data & spreadsheets to identify potential targets.
What is fundamentally wrong is having a Director of Football that doesn’t have a significant background in or knowledge of football.

I know how to use a spreadsheet & have watched us for over 50 years, and despite what I might think I don’t have the knowledge or ability to build a successful team.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 17:01:06
can't really remember it at Swindon before though..

owners, chairman, the board, managers and special advisors yes.

even the Sheridan year wasn't Jewell DoF? ok we were all locked out but even so

Did we have a DOF when Wellens was in charge? Jewell?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 17:04:43
Did we have a DOF when Wellens was in charge? Jewell?
Yes, that's how I remember it. In fact I seem to remember reading somewhere that Power wanted Jewell as Manager and Jewell said he didn't want the job but recommended Wellens and said he wouldn't mind being DOF... or something along those lines... worked out pretty well really...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 17:07:15
Yes, that's how I remember it. In fact I seem to remember reading somewhere that Power wanted Jewell as Manager and Jewell said he didn't want the job but recommended Wellens and said he wouldn't mind being DOF... or something along those lines... worked out pretty well really...

It's actually a shame Power was such a greedy, shady article as the football people he employed (ignoring the jurassic era) actually had football experience and acumen.

Sadly none of the current lot do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 17:17:41
Yeah, it wasn't all bad with Power by any means. These situations are rarely black or white...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 17:22:41
Yeah, it wasn't all bad with Power by any means. These situations are rarely black or white...

And to be fair most of the time he brought in decent players


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 18:28:10
And yo be fair most of the time he brought in decent players

A Lee Power era worst XI would be a shocking side!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 18:34:23
A Lee Power era worst XI would be a shocking side!

Let's just say I don't think we would be looking at our lowest points total in league 2


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 19:06:50
Let's just say I don't think we would be looking at our lowest points total in league 2


                                 Kovar

            Curran         Lancashire       Robertson

Barry                                                             Ormonde Ottewill
               Agombar        Balmy       Starkey

                     Feruz                Omotoye


That's getting relegated from the National League South.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 19:13:09
The best XI would be pretty handy too though, I imagine it's just the 2014/5 Playoff side in full, maybe with Doyle and Yates up front over Obika and Smith.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 19:14:27

                                 Kovar

            Curran         Lancashire       Robertson

Barry                                                             Ormonde Ottewill
               Agombar        Balmy       Starkey

                     Feruz                Omotoye


That's getting relegated from the National League South.

Great work and hard to disagree but if we had a motivator like Steve Evans in charge who knows🤣

As per Nemo message can you do a best XI when you get time!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 19:16:53
The best XI would be pretty handy too though, I imagine it's just the 2014/5 Playoff side in full, maybe with Doyle and Yates up front over Obika and Smith.



I wouldn't call that a 'Lee Power XI' though. It would need to be players that he brought in only. Still a decent XI in there for sure but lets not suddenly recast that turd as a footballing oracle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:01:55
Great work and hard to disagree but if we had a motivator like Steve Evans in charge who knows🤣

As per Nemo message can you do a best XI when you get time!

                                 Benda

Caddis          Baudry               Stephens         Toffolo               

                                                     
                                 Grant
                 
               Luongo                    Doughty

         
         Mullin               Doyle                 Yates


Trying to stick to players signed by Lee Power. Strangely weak at CB for these seasons looking back, albeit quickly!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:04:32
                                 Benda

Caddis          Baudry               Stephens         Toffolo               

                                                     
                                 Grant
                 
               Luongo                    Doughty

         
         Mullin               Doyle                 Yates


Trying to stick to players signed by Lee Power. Strangely weak at CB for these seasons looking back, albeit quickly!


Excellent! What we would give for that quality now!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:08:06

                                 Kovar

            Curran         Lancashire       Robertson

Barry                                                             Ormonde Ottewill
               Agombar        Balmy       Starkey

                     Feruz                Omotoye


That's getting relegated from the National League South.

Surely one of the Belford brothers have to go in goal! Nice guys but yeah…

George Barker, Rhys Sharpe, Jamie Calvin (did he ever play), Anton Rodgers all fighting for a spot in that prestige XI


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:10:17
Surely one of the Belford brothers have to go in goal! Nice guys but yeah…

George Barker, Rhys Sharpe, Jamie Calvin (did he ever play), Anton Rodgers all fighting for a spot in that prestige XI

Scanning back through those squads there really are some horrors. This was a very quick back of a fag packet effort made up of the offenders who really jumped out at me!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:11:57
Anton Rodgers  :clap:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rKCRdxFPhrc&pp=ygUfQW50b24gcm9kZ2VycyBnb2FscyBmb3Igc3dpbmRvbg%3D%3D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:18:47
I wouldn't call that a 'Lee Power XI' though. It would need to be players that he brought in only. Still a decent XI in there for sure but lets not suddenly recast that turd as a footballing oracle.

We don’t sign any of the Tottenham contingent without powers money or connection (I.e. sheringham) tbf.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 20:35:19
We don’t sign any of the Tottenham contingent without powers money or connection (I.e. sheringham) tbf.

Sure, I'm just not crediting the Swiss slug with Wes Foderingham, the Thompsons, Andy Williams etc.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, April 16, 2023, 22:00:23
We don’t sign any of the Tottenham contingent without powers money or connection (I.e. sheringham) tbf.
Power went the moneyball route with the Tottenham players as he knew he could make money on Luongo, Bryne etc. I suspect Sherwood tipped him off that they weren't PL standard but would make the Championship.

The problem was, after cashing in 2015, they were replaced with rubbish. When Power wanted to or was financially able to he could recruit well but we got relegated twice on his watch when recruitment was terrible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, April 17, 2023, 11:19:03

I know how to use a spreadsheet & have watched us for over 50 years, and despite what I might think I don’t have the knowledge or ability to build a successful team.

Exactly. I played for years, ran sides Saturdays and Sundays and apart from the basics of "a spine" the other main thing that always seemed to work was "team spirit" and the willingness for players to work for each other. How you put that into a spreadsheet heaven only knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, April 17, 2023, 15:01:18
Not that I'm anticipating anything worthwhile after our Zav's appearance in the "Relevant Persons' Box" at the County Ground on Saturday, but it has now been a week since the AB and still no minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, April 17, 2023, 15:04:22
Not that I'm anticipating anything worthwhile after our Zav's appearance in the "Relevant Persons' Box" at the County Ground on Saturday, but it has now been a week since the AB and still no minutes.


Cynical me reckons it will be buried tomorrow PM ahead of a flurry of matchday tweets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:22:49
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23463429.swindon-towns-county-ground-car-park-rules-cause-confusion/



The Adver asked the League Two club about these parking concerns.

Swindon Town CEO Rob Angus said: “The car park outside the County Ground is now under the full control of the football club following the purchase of our stadium.

“We are currently in the process of installing new signage and ways to pay for those looking to use the car park on non-match days, and all this will be in place shortly.

“We’re working closely with local firm and leading UK car park provider MI Permit - one of our main club sponsors – to ensure the facility is up and running efficiently over the coming weeks, with their parking app already set up.”

In the aftermath, many residents have asked about what is to happen to the area in the meantime and how the parking system will work.

Responding to these queries, Mr Angus advised that between now and when the new system is in place, a charge to use the car park will remain.

He also added that those wishing to use it will need to contact the club in the interim, but did not elaborate on how to do this, or what the charges would be.



 :eek: Good to see its not just season tickets we cant organise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:35:09
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23463429.swindon-towns-county-ground-car-park-rules-cause-confusion/



The Adver asked the League Two club about these parking concerns.

Swindon Town CEO Rob Angus said: “The car park outside the County Ground is now under the full control of the football club following the purchase of our stadium.

“We are currently in the process of installing new signage and ways to pay for those looking to use the car park on non-match days, and all this will be in place shortly.

“We’re working closely with local firm and leading UK car park provider MI Permit - one of our main club sponsors – to ensure the facility is up and running efficiently over the coming weeks, with their parking app already set up.”

In the aftermath, many residents have asked about what is to happen to the area in the meantime and how the parking system will work.

Responding to these queries, Mr Angus advised that between now and when the new system is in place, a charge to use the car park will remain.

He also added that those wishing to use it will need to contact the club in the interim, but did not elaborate on how to do this, or what the charges would be.



 :eek: Good to see its not just season tickets we cant organise.


Will have to weigh the risk of getting clamped when nipping into the club shop for 5 mins to pick up a ticket etc in future then.  :)
A car park is free for customer use statement in the small print would be useful as & when they sort themselves out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 20, 2023, 12:02:40
It's another example of the Blue Peter Bring and Buy Sale nature of the behind the scenes infrastructure of the club.  No planning, no operational strategy or people to implement.

Imagine plenty of people are parking without paying right now, but we also run the risk of someone taking us to court if they are slapped with a fine (because you are still supposed to pay - but no actual way to pay exists).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 22, 2023, 11:54:25
Anyone filled in the Stadium Survey? Just got mine via email.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:11:39
Anyone filled in the Stadium Survey? Just got mine via email.

Stadium survey?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:25:08
Stadium survey?

From the trust, assume they are sending it to people with a voting share


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:35:19
From the trust, assume they are sending it to people with a voting share

Ah. I don't but would be curious as to what is being asked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 12:42:50
Quote from: Wobbly Bob
Will have to weigh the risk of getting clamped when nipping into the club shop for 5 mins to pick up a ticket etc in future then.  :)
A car park is free for customer use statement in the small print would be useful as & when they sort themselves out.

missed this.

just park in the spaces to the right of the club shop, not in the main car park

I think they are marked as 'visitors.' spaces


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 14:42:46
Anyone get the Alarm at 3pm. Mine said ‘Oxford are shit’ :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 15:03:29
I don't get one.
Mrs B didn't get over.
Batch jr didn't get one (iPhone)

all on or using Three network.

batch jr jr got one on talkmobile (Vodafone)

anyway it's too late now, the zombies have struck


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:05:36
I don't get one.
Mrs B didn't get over.
Batch jr didn't get one (iPhone)

all on or using Three network.

batch jr jr got one on talkmobile (Vodafone)

anyway it's too late now, the zombies have struck
(https://i.postimg.cc/RCX8cv0f/newsthump-343147414-905495400660716-5655649241841706351-n.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:12:52
Figures


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:22:02
There was an issue on 3. Guess that's why it needed testing


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:35:40
There was an issue on 3. Guess that's why it needed testing

Beyond my paygrade or area of expertise, but from what I have read as a layman it was suggested that it was only sent out once via 3 but all the other networks sent it multiple times over 15-20 mins so it got through eventually.

Albeit for what its worth both I and the missus got it (Vodafone) but our daughter didn't (Lebara, who use the Vodafone network) so feck knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:45:20
^ Which is slightly odd as I got it (5 minutes late) on Lebara.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:19:41
^ Which is slightly odd as I got it (5 minutes late) on Lebara.

That is slightly odd because the emergency messaging is broadcast by the base station. Without going too technical (because I haven't worked that much on the base station side so I can't) the phone needs to be listening to the relevant time-slot when it is populated and presumably it takes several timeslot iterations (frames) to transmit the actual text.. Its repeated broadcast because it doesn't constantly listen. The handset should know its received the same thing more than once, presumably there is a message ID in there!

So you won't get it if your phone missed because:
   - you are in airplane mode, the radios are disabled so phone can't hear.
   - you have no signal ( wifi calling doesn't count)
   - whatever Three fucked up (e.g. only transmitting once as above, or bug in some base stations)
   - You had fallen back to 3G at time of the test (test was 4g/5g only)

To get it late I guess:
   - the base station transmitted outside the intended window either erroneously itself, or erroneously because the trigger told it to.
   - the phone has a bug and is replaying a stale message!

Its interesting to me because I workd in telecomms for so long. Most recently on 4G (LTE).

In the grand scheme of things I've lived this long without being eaten by a zombie/vampire/wearwolf, killed by a vulcano/flood/landslide and what the hell am I going to do with a nuclear warning?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:30:07
That is slightly odd because the emergency messaging is broadcast by the base station. Without going too technical (because I haven't worked that much on the base station side so I can't) the phone needs to be listening to the relevant time-slot when it is populated and presumably it takes several timeslot iterations (frames) to transmit the actual text.. Its repeated broadcast because it doesn't constantly listen. The handset should know its received the same thing more than once, presumably there is a message ID in there!

So you won't get it if your phone missed because:
   - you are in airplane mode, the radios are disabled so phone can't hear.
   - you have no signal ( wifi calling doesn't count)
   - whatever Three fucked up (e.g. only transmitting once as above, or bug in some base stations)
   - You had fallen back to 3G at time of the test (test was 4g/5g only)

To get it late I guess:
   - the base station transmitted outside the intended window either erroneously itself, or erroneously because the trigger told it to.
   - the phone has a bug and is replaying a stale message!

Its interesting to me because I workd in telecomms for so long. Most recently on 4G (LTE).

In the grand scheme of things I've lived this long without being eaten by a zombie/vampire/wearwolf, killed by a vulcano/flood/landslide and what the hell am I going to do with a nuclear warning?

This is what I gleaned my basic understanding from looking at (but if I am honest not really understanding).

https://twitter.com/davwheat_/status/1650149573313085441

You would like to think if we all receive note of impending doom someone may mention it to you in passing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, April 24, 2023, 13:48:23
I got mine (o2) at 15:00, my other half got hers (Tesco mobile) at 15:02.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 24, 2023, 13:52:46
I got mine (o2) at 15:00, my other half got hers (Tesco mobile) at 15:02.

And I believe Tesco use O2 signal. Which in turn is owned by Telefonica I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 24, 2023, 14:33:23
14:59 for me  :toocool:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 18:16:45
I was at the checkout in Tesco - loads of phones went off at 14.59, then loads more at 15.00 - mine went off when i was back in the car at 15.07 - i am on O2


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 10:53:46
I saw Ryan Wheelan yesterday hint that Sandro could be going to Crawley as DoF. I thought it was a bit tongue-in-cheek to begin with, but having seen Chris Galley their Acting CEO and DoF resigned, could it be true? https://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/2023/april/club-update/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 11:07:28
Let's hope Lindsey has requested Sandro😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, April 25, 2023, 11:09:45
I saw Ryan Wheelan yesterday hint that Sandro could be going to Crawley as DoF. I thought it was a bit tongue-in-cheek to begin with, but having seen Chris Galley their Acting CEO and DoF resigned, could it be true? https://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/2023/april/club-update/
I think he later admitted it was tongue-in-cheek only, but nothing would surprise me when it comes to Crawley.

Makes you wonder when will we eventually hear about our news.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 14:31:08
Would anyone have Lee Power back as Director of Football?

 :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 15:44:57
Let's hope Lindsey has requested Sandro😀

 ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 16:03:13
;)

You off to Crewe the week end🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:05:50
I see the latest thing is to sell ‘match worn’ shirts from the December games vs Northampton

Some of the shirts that are ‘match worn’ are for Brewitt, McEachran, Cain, Austin and Tomlinson, who last time i checked didnt come until the end of janaury and didnt even play in that game


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:18:30
Quote from: tans
I see the latest thing is to sell ‘match worn’ shirts from the December games vs Northampton

Some of the shirts that are ‘match worn’ are for Brewitt, McEachran, Cain, Austin and Tomlinson, who last time i checked didnt come until the end of janaury and didnt even play in that game

just realised that.

what the actual fuck. that's dodgy as in trading standards terms. Could they have the wrong game?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:19:24
I see the latest thing is to sell ‘match worn’ shirts from the December games vs Northampton

Some of the shirts that are ‘match worn’ are for Brewitt, McEachran, Cain, Austin and Tomlinson, who last time i checked didnt come until the end of janaury and didnt even play in that game

Cowboys.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:20:37
That is piss poor, but also very funny. Can I get a match worn Don Rogers shirt from the Northampton game please?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:21:19
"This shirt has been worn in multiple games throughout the season.

Shirt is washed"

Another marketing triumph. shirts do seem to be match warn, just not all from Northampton

We really are a Mickey mouse outfit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:21:44
I see the latest thing is to sell ‘match worn’ shirts from the December games vs Northampton

Some of the shirts that are ‘match worn’ are for Brewitt, McEachran, Cain, Austin and Tomlinson, who last time i checked didnt come until the end of janaury and didnt even play in that game

And (not that people would probably bid for them anyway) surely if they were match worn wouldn't you expect shirts for Gladwin and MacDonald also?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:24:02
How many times has that green shirt actually been worn? I can't think of that many.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:25:48
And did Williams wear two shirts at Northampton #stfc

https://www.matchwornshirt.com/product/jonathan-williams-epp43J1OxEiCjntq18vtlA

https://www.matchwornshirt.com/product/jonny-williams-uHbk44z3DU6D0ZFjVMaG7g


Edit, ah they've fixed it
--------
Seems matchwarn have a single Swindon page that covers not just Northampton. But Swindon have tweeted it as Northampton which has caused confusion


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:28:08
This is genius, we are so broke the club are selling the Green match day shirts that are no longer needed. I assume after Crewe Away they will be selling the White shirts as well.

I hope they make some money from it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:34:51
Reece Devine match worn Town shirt could be a rarity


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, April 28, 2023, 14:45:51
Maybe the person who said the club was rotten from top to bottom wasnt so wide of the mark.

Everything that comes out of the club is worrying right now, the only positive story of the seasons have been the ground being gifted to them and any community work done by volunteers. Alarm bells are ringing, if only we had a supporters group to raise such fears. oh wait


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 28, 2023, 16:17:51
I would be spunking so much money on a decent media and comms person because anything tat comes out at te moment is horrific. How half the stuff gets to press and website astounds me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 28, 2023, 16:19:04
They are legit but not exclusive to Northampton (a). Why they pinned them to a particular game? No idea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, April 28, 2023, 17:26:00
They have extended the early bird season tickets until the end of may. Must be shiiting it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 28, 2023, 17:52:15
Surprised we haven't started listing the players themselves - Oscar Massey, only used once, almost good as new.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 28, 2023, 17:55:03
Surprised we haven't started listing the players themselves - Oscar Massey, only used once, almost good as new.

If we sold players we would get lots of customer returns🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:01:25
Surprised we haven't started listing the players themselves - Oscar Massey, only used once, almost good as new.

Only 19 with zero games under his belt when we signed him.
Fairly obvious he wasn’t signed with this season in mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:09:11
Fucking reeks.

I’m sure people, particularly parents to kids fresh off a very costly two week Easter break, coulda done with spending £390 + for example on something else this month.

Another stinker. Add it to the list.

1k out of 5k+ had renewed last time we heard. 20%. Fans ain’t daft. This regime is failing miserably in all aspects. Of course it’s the right thing to do (extend), when only 20% of your ST customer base renewed at cheaper price.

Where’s our chairman gone? Gone fucking mute.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:16:39
Hardly any incentive to renew in the early bird period (£15) compared to previous years


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:17:32
The early bird prices get extended every year - probably by multiple clubs across the leagues.

Parents or anyone else who has / had a season ticket knows when it’s time to renew. If they desperately needed the money else where this month then purchasing a season ticket is probably not a good idea anyway.

It’s not like for example, your car breaking down - an unexpected expense.
It’s the same (extended) window every year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:31:57
Only 19 with zero games under his belt when we signed him.
Fairly obvious he wasn’t signed with this season in mind.


He’s only on a one year contract isnt he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:34:38
The early bird prices get extended every year - probably by multiple clubs across the leagues.

Parents or anyone else who has / had a season ticket knows when it’s time to renew. If they desperately needed the money else where this month then purchasing a season ticket is probably not a good idea anyway.

It’s not like for example, your car breaking down - an unexpected expense.
It’s the same (extended) window every year.

I said spend it on something else this month, not at all, and not that they wouldn’t have to spend it anyway.

You can spin it whichever way you like mate, bigger picture is this regime is failing in every department right now. Anyone that does renew ticket is currently in a large minority - that’s rotten, and it’s a shit situation the clubs finds it self in. Only themselves to blame. Sad to see how much we’ve demised since last summer. Same old swindon.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:39:40
I said spend it on something else this month, not at all, and not that they wouldn’t have to spend it anyway.

You can spin it whichever way you like mate, bigger picture is this regime is failing in every department right now. Anyone that does renew ticket is currently in a large minority - that’s rotten, and it’s a shit situation the clubs finds it self in. Only themselves to blame. Sad to see how much we’ve demised since last summer. Same old swindon. 

Yeah, we are shit. Clem made a massive mistake buying us and keeping us going on life support. He should have pulled the plug and let the club die. Would have been better for everyone.

This regime have done a lot wrong and I’m not saying otherwise. There are plenty of sticks we can use to beat them with but I don’t think extending the early bird deadline is one. It happened long before this regime, it will happen after this regime and it’ll happen at other clubs. In this instance it’s a football thing rather than a Swindon thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:53:45
We are damaged goods, have been for some time. Completely understandable with what we have put up with over a considerable period of time.
Sadly the cracking news on the Ground has been lost, all about the current shambles on and off the pitch right now. Honeymoon period well and truly over. Only the loyalty card for me, no longer enjoying it but can only live in hope that Angus is true to his word.

The thoughts of another season up and down the Country watching this depressing level of football fills me with dread. Come August we will see where we are.

Confident? - Sadly not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 28, 2023, 18:59:56
Yeah, we are shit. Clem made a massive mistake buying us and keeping us going on life support. He should have pulled the plug and let the club die. Would have been better for everyone.

This regime have done a lot wrong and I’m not saying otherwise. There are plenty of sticks we can use to beat them with but I don’t think extending the early bird deadline is one. It happened long before this regime, it will happen after this regime and it’ll happen at other clubs. In this instance it’s a football thing rather than a Swindon thing.

😂😂😂😂 you diva, you’re not you when you’re hungry, have a snickers 🥜

All part of the bigger picture like I said, it’s just another thing to add to a growing list in a very short period of time. I agree it’s the right thing to do, but with renewals being so low they had no choice and there’s a reason they are at such a poor number. 20%. 1000 odd out of 5000 is fucking horrendous it really is. Fans will blamed next season for sure.

Be good to hear from the chairman of the club seeing as he is the sole owner. I would ask to hear from the vice but eeeek.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 28, 2023, 19:23:30
It was only a couple of years ago DV was complaining the club was lacking ambition.

DV - I was clearly joking regarding Massey - I have no idea if he will make it and he was signed on a first year pro deal.  Had some odd loans though - not sure what he gained by going to Plymouth Parkway for a month, wonder if he was homesick.  Anyway, there are much bigger problems than a youth punt, like 80% of the main squad.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:02:56
…and the club still lacks ambition nor the finances to fund any ambition, so what’s the point.
Clubs done. Realistically what’s the best we can hope for in the future?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:06:21
…and the club still lacks ambition nor the finances to fund any ambition, so what’s the point.
Clubs done. Realistically what’s the best we can hope for in the future?

Wiltshire shield finalists, back to back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:07:33
With the lack of funds and ambition by the owner I'm starting to wonder if it was a good thing purchasing the ground if we don't my have any money to develop it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:39:12
Capital financing is whole different market than cash flow financing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:40:47
We’ve flunked one season. The mistakes are obvious. Nobody will be announced as gone until the season is over. That’s when we get a DOF who knows what he’s doing, when we sign a proper squad, and we start again. We’re insulated from the shambles at other clubs. There are more f***ed up clubs than there are well run clubs in this division - and we still have hope that we’ll learn, change, and have a good run at it next season. Keep the faith. We’ve got some (not all) well-meaning people at the club, and that counts for a lot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:41:16
Sandro gone by all accounts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:42:17
Crawley maybe🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:45:08
Capital financing is whole different market than cash flow financing.

Which one is Clem struggling with😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:54:31
Sandro gone by all accounts

Yes heard this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 28, 2023, 20:56:49
Aberdeen will always be the canary in the coal mine.

Loves the club, competent even if not experienced in football and his moral compass seems to point North.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 08:21:18
We’ve got some (not all) well-meaning people at the club, and that counts for a lot.

Very much this, just not enough bodies behind the scenes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 08:32:06
Thank fuck Sandro has finally gone. Expect a statement from the club after the Crawley game. It does appear that they are fully supporting Morris which is a good start



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 08:35:15
Very much this, just not enough bodies behind the scenes
Undermanning is a sign of poor management, surely the staff will (almost) pays for themselves if it improves things behind the scenes.

From what I hear we are very under staffed, not just 2 or 3 light but probably nearer 10 staff members too few.

Cutting corners often means cutting services and quality of those services IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 08:35:56
Thank fuck Sandro has finally gone. Expect a statement from the club after the Crawley game. It does appear that they are fully supporting Morris which is a good start
I had heard a couple of days ago he has finally gone, so many near misses, I hope its finally sorted now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 10:47:58
Lead to believe the remit next season is to build a much more experienced and solid side, which is a start. Unsure how competitive the budget will actually be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 11:46:15
Lead to believe the remit next season is to build a much more experienced and solid side, which is a start. Unsure how competitive the budget will actually be.

So the programme notes to sell season tickets about a top 7 budget was guff then?

Any idea who is taking over? Internal or external?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 11:49:14
So the programme notes to sell season tickets about a top 7 budget was guff then?

Any idea who is taking over? Internal or external?

Lee Peacock DoF


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 11:57:19
Seriously?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:02:59
Lee Peacock DoF
It’s good that Ralph is finally out of the door, but I would assume this is a joke as that would really be the cheapest of cheapest options and no offence to Peacock but I’ve never seen him as a DoF type.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:04:50
Believe we are taking the Karachi FC DoF, and Sandro is going the other way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:06:00
Jamie Russell is more senior than Peacock so surely he would be a better option if they were to go down that route?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:08:24
Any idea who is taking over? Internal or external?
I have heard from a few people it will be an internal appointment but not AFAIK Lee Peackock. More likely Russell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:14:07
I have heard from a few people it will be an internal appointment but not AFAIK Lee Peackock. More likely Russell.
I know he’s quite highly thought of and had has quite a bit of experience across multiple clubs but it’s all academy stuff, there’s no first team involvement anywhere on his CV so doesn’t exactly fill me with optimism on a change of approach. I would have thought we’d be trying to get a completely new set of eyes into the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:20:36
Depends on if the role changes post Sandro. If its more running everything outside the first team, then the internal.appointment seems fine.  Judy becomes more Manager than Head Coach.

If its still a first team role than a cheap internal appointment is an9ther worry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:24:33
Yeah, get the concerns about an internal appointment.
Anything is better than Sandro though.

I trust that Morris & Brand will know exactly what they want for a tilt at top 3 next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:26:34
So the programme notes to sell season tickets about a top 7 budget was guff then?

Any idea who is taking over? Internal or external?

Someone from the academy setup I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:30:09
The reality is that the best football address book at the club belongs to Morris. Stick him in charge of recruitment and he has a good calibre #2 to assist him with the first team.
Sounds like the new DoF might be more of a “football operations” type role.

The madness of Sandro was making him ruler of everything touched by the sun. As a “head of recruitment analysis” he’d have been much less contentious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:30:18
An experienced name isn’t necessarily as good as someone who genuinely wants the job and gives it their all. Jamie Russell or David Farrell could do well. Less bullsh*t, better results. Take Flitcroft at Port Vale. It’s suggested he works 2 days a week, and spends the other three running his building firm. They are less than impressed with him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:38:36
Do weed a full time director of football in league 2 as I'm intrigued on how they fill their days once the summer recruitment has been completed and the January transfer window has closed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:40:57
Quote from: Riddick
Depends on if the role changes post Sandro. If its more running everything outside the first team, then the internal.appointment seems fine.  Judy becomes more Manager than Head Coach.

If its still a first team role than a cheap internal appointment is an9ther worry.

this.

I wrote liked the cut of Russell's jib when talking academy.

Surely though we need someone in with actual experience if they are overseeing first team stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:42:53
Lead to believe the remit next season is to build a much more experienced and solid side, which is a start. Unsure how competitive the budget will actually be.

Next seasons remit is to make Jody Morris smile.
A tough ask.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:51:07
The reality is that the best football address book at the club belongs to Morris. Stick him in charge of recruitment and he has a good calibre #2 to assist him with the first team.
Sounds like the new DoF might be more of a “football operations” type role.

The madness of Sandro was making him ruler of everything touched by the sun. As a “head of recruitment analysis” he’d have been much less contentious.

I’d be very intrigued to see his address book.
Terry (out of work I think)
Lampard (soon to be out of work)
Chelsea kids

…no doubt there is probably a lot more. Anyone else we know he’s played with / coached with currently employed somewhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 12:56:44
I’d be very intrigued to see his address book.
Terry (out of work I think)
Lampard (soon to be out of work)
Chelsea kids

…no doubt there is probably a lot more. Anyone else we know he’s played with / coached with currently employed somewhere.

Is your professional address book only people who you have been employed together with at the same companies at the same time?

Are you familiar with the concept of knowing someone who knows someone?





Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 13:05:18
Is your professional address book only people who you have been employed together with at the same companies at the same time?

Are you familiar with the concept of knowing someone who knows someone?



Yes, that wasn’t what I asked though was it.
I just wondered if anyone had other possible suggestions other than the obvious ones (which I pointed out)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 14:08:33
I would be more than happy wit Russell. Knows football for a start, if it is him or an internal it will be with the managers say so though so thats a good start


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 14:20:32
Yes, that wasn’t what I asked though was it.
I just wondered if anyone had other possible suggestions other than the obvious ones (which I pointed out)

Sorry if my sarcasm detector is off. You seemed to be suggesting that Terry and Lampard and a load of Chelsea kids would be the only people he knew.

I was just suggesting that he's more likely to be able to get on the blower to Pep et al for a youth teamer on loan than the SkyBet intern having actually played against the bloke and got his shirt back in the day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 14:22:24
Sorry if my sarcasm detector is off. You seemed to be suggesting that Terry and Lampard and a load of Chelsea kids would be the only people he knew.

I was just suggesting that he's more likely to be able to get on the blower to Pep et al for a youth teamer on loan than the SkyBet intern having actually played against the bloke and got his shirt back in the day.

No, I was just suggesting they were the obvious publicly well know close contacts of Morris. Wondered if there was anyone else / any other club we could find links with


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 14:29:15
No, I was just suggesting they were the obvious publicly well know close contacts of Morris. Wondered if there was anyone else / any other club we could find links with

I guess there will be loads of connections that only a mega spotter might know. For example I think Brewitt came to us because the Rangers Manager Michael Beale had been Brewitt's Liverpool Academy coach after spending a decade at Cobham just before Morris got back there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 14:37:11
Where’s this Sandro gone come from


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 14:50:01
Where’s this Sandro gone come from

Seems the world and his wife are ITK!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 15:06:35
Terry (out of work I think)

“JT” has just got a job as part Dean Smith’s team at Leicester


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 16:08:30
Clem has not delivered this season that’s for sure

Seems to me to be Power in disguise everything done on the cheap - we just seem to be a feeder club developing kids for other clubs. Not good enough to get out of a physical division as so many times this year been men against boys

Won’t sell season tickets without major wholesale changes - and yes I include jettisoning Morris in that- he is too much of a gamble and won’t in my view get us promoted


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 16:15:50
It’s good that Ralph is finally out of the door, but I would assume this is a joke as that would really be the cheapest of cheapest options and no offence to Peacock but I’ve never seen him as a DoF type.

I love Anthony, he's a character!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 16:30:20
I love Anthony, he's a character!

Everything under Clem will always be the cheap option they don’t even hire staff for operational roles all on the cheap


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 12:02:59
If it is indeed true, I wonder if the club gets the Sandro news out before the Crawley game…?

Not a great look if that one turns toxic. Get the comms done now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 12:04:55
It’s good that Ralph is finally out of the door, but I would assume this is a joke as that would really be the cheapest of cheapest options and no offence to Peacock but I’ve never seen him as a DoF type.

It was sorry  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 12:09:48
Anyone else find it odd that we don't get the love live phone ins on BBC Wilts anymore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 15:42:28
One to probably consign to the 80% bollocks section, but given we're starved for content at the moment: poster on the evergreen Facebook group randomly link the Star Sports group to buying the club. Assume this is the bookmaker rather than the Indian sports channel.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 16:22:08
One to probably consign to the 80% bollocks section, but given we're starved for content at the moment: poster on the evergreen Facebook group randomly link the Star Sports group to buying the club. Assume this is the bookmaker rather than the Indian sports channel.

Well Pakistan is close to India, right? :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 16:57:35
Well Pakistan is close to India, right? :sherlock:

Famously warm relations as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 18:11:15
Can only assume there are legals to conclude. Can't think of a single reason to delay the announcement if it is indeed done

Edit: Sandro, not star sports


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 18:17:15
Can only assume there are legals to conclude. Can't think of a single reason to delay the announcement if it is indeed done

Edit: Sandro, not star sports

I've heard the club are going to announce it after the Crawley game. As for that timing, not a clue why.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 18:33:23
I've heard the club are going to announce it after the Crawley game. As for that timing, not a clue why.

On the pitch at half time? Clem in bucket hat doing an on pitch announcement with the Broadbent Lounge?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 18:34:10
On the pitch at half time? Clem in bucket hat doing an on pitch announcement with the Broadbent Lounge?

Haha, something like that would be entertaining.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 18:36:17
Throw a wet sponge at Sandro clad in stocks in the car park pre game.

£10 per throw.

There’s your transfer kitty for next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 30, 2023, 19:33:31
Quote from: Mooneyraker
On the pitch at half time? Clem in bucket hat doing an on pitch announcement with the Broadbent Lounge?

Hanners can start the chant

"Can you hear the Sandro sing. noooooooooooooooo, noooooo"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 09:30:09
Presumably the Sandro thing is being held up so that we/he can spin it that he hasn't been 'sacked' mid-season...

Following a 'review' of the season we have decided to change direction etc. Everyone saves face.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:39:05
Presumably the Sandro thing is being held up so that we/he can spin it that he hasn't been 'sacked' mid-season...

Following a 'review' of the season we have decided to change direction etc. Everyone saves face.
Can imagine it was more a legal thing as well, can't just sack him

Hopefully hear very soon and we start getting more good news


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:41:31
Where have the rumours come from🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:43:10
Where have the rumours come from🤔
What rumours


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:43:37
What rumours

Sandro


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:45:16
Can imagine it was more a legal thing as well, can't just sack him

Hopefully hear very soon and we start getting more good news

Yes you can - money solves all manner of employment law problems.  

Even if we consider employment law, he has minimal rights given he has been in the job for less than 12 months.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:46:26
Quote
Even if we consider employment law, he has minimal rights given he has been in the job for less than 12 months.
24 months these days isn't it?

must have a more complicated contract


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:48:58
24 months these days isn't it?

must have a more complicated contact

For unfair dismissal, yes.  Been a while - it's fire at will over here!

No reason for delay unless it's another ongoing haggle over pennies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 13:56:31
Yes you can - money solves all manner of employment law problems.  

Even if we consider employment law, he has minimal rights given he has been in the job for less than 12 months.

And we ain't got any!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 14:34:52
Yes you can - money solves all manner of employment law problems.  

Even if we consider employment law, he has minimal rights given he has been in the job for less than 12 months.
We don't know what rights he has tbh as we don't know his contract or employment terms whatsoever. Legally we have to have a rwason to just sack him


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, May 1, 2023, 14:37:16
We don't know what rights he has tbh as we don't know his contract or employment terms whatsoever. Legally we have to have a rwason to just sack him
He’s useless. Surely that’s enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 14:44:58
He’s useless. Surely that’s enough.

Only if it is an agreed measurable performance. ‘Useless’ on its own is a subjective word.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 14:58:00
He’s useless. Surely that’s enough.
I don't disagree mate but we don't know what his remit was in the summer. He may think that he did what he could with the tools he was given, i just think he is a useless cunt tbh but who knows what his role was properly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:05:35
We don't know what rights he has tbh as we don't know his contract or employment terms whatsoever. Legally we have to have a rwason to just sack him

Talking in terms of pure employment law - the business cannot be taken to an employment tribunal for severing his employment if he has less than two years service, unless the reason was something like a protected class (Disability, Sexual Discrimination etc.).

His contract may well include payout terms, or we could simply be trying to negotiate how to settle a breach of that personal contract.  Hence why money and an immediate severing are indeed possible. 

Given his likely salary level, it seems bizarre to me that we wouldn't be able to resolve that in a few days (assuming this is what was happening of course, I am certainly not in the know so taking the rumour at face value of him being let go).  I've seen this play out of a few times for people earning six figures a year, all done and dusted within a week or so.  They were on holiday for a few days, then decided to pursue a career elsewhere (2nd hand personal experience - one time seeing the numbers involved as I took over budget responsibility!).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:37:09
Or maybe the club have a get out clause at the end of the season, so they are waiting until after the last game when they can part ways free of any payments


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:47:06
I know there’s a rumour about Sandro going but is there a rumour that Morris is getting the heave ho?

Surely not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:56:51
I know there’s a rumour about Sandro going but is there a rumour that Morris is getting the heave ho?

Surely not.

Not seen/heard anything. Assume the logic of binning Sandro is to hand Morris the keys and hope he stops whingeing!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2023, 15:58:45
Gone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:02:40
Let’s hope it doesn’t take weeks to get a new manager this time


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:50:37
We will all come to rue the day that the Trust anointed Clem Morfuni, a man described by our Vice Chairman Matchday Guest as "the Messiah."

Drug dealers and drug's money launderers hanging around like flies on dogshit.

Every aspect of the club an omnishambles.

It all absolutely stinks, and if you can't smell it then you are in total denial.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:52:09
We will all come to rue the day that the Trust anointed Clem Morfuni, a man described by our Vice Chairman Matchday Guest as "the Messiah."

Drug dealers and drug's money launderers hanging around like flies on dogshit.

Every aspect of the club an omnishambles.

It all absolutely stinks, and if you can't smell it then you are in total denial.


Agreed. It absolutely stinks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 1, 2023, 16:57:36
I'd find it hard to imagine organised crime would be this incompetent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:23:29
I'd find it hard to imagine organised crime would be this incompetent.
Well they did all get caught and convicted….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 17:30:09
Shit Crims FC. How we have fallen.

A Phoenix club, still the only viable tenant for the council at the County Ground, could have been a brilliant few years and cut away all of the cancer from the Power era. Instead we stagger on, a zombie in all by name, with brave Captain Angus steering us straight for the iceberg.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:24:07
We will all come to rue the day that the Trust anointed Clem Morfuni, a man described by our Vice Chairman Matchday Guest as "the Messiah."

Drug dealers and drug's money launderers hanging around like flies on dogshit.

Every aspect of the club an omnishambles.

It all absolutely stinks, and if you can't smell it then you are in total denial.

In his defence, i would imagine he rues the day he was rinsed of over a million quid from the previous owner


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:26:11
In his defence, i would imagine he rues the day he was rinsed of over a million quid from the previous owner
The fact he handed over £1m to Lee Power should tell you everything you need to know about (A) his ability to judge character and (B) his business acumen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:31:12
The fact he handed over £1m to Lee Power should tell you everything you need to know about (A) his ability to judge character and (B) his business acumen.
Have you not bought a season ticket every year youreself under Power? What he does need to do though is employ a few football people this summer and get the club back on track.

He has had 1 good season and one awful season, hopefully this sacking and Sandro tomorrow will be the start of trying to fix it. I just think they possibly deserve this summer to show their intentions as i think this year has just been scatter gun with money being spent but in the wrong areas.

If we are sat here at the end of July with nothing changing then bloody right but i think it's fair to wait and see


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:42:49
In his defence, i would imagine he rues the day he was rinsed of over a million quid from the previous owner

Well he wasn’t in the end was he..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:45:51
Have you not bought a season ticket every year youreself under Power?

Not sure how buying a season ticket in a transaction whereby I get match tickets equates to handing over £1m cash...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:48:02
Have you not bought a season ticket every year youreself under Power? What he does need to do though is employ a few football people this summer and get the club back on track.

He has had 1 good season and one awful season, hopefully this sacking and Sandro tomorrow will be the start of trying to fix it. I just think they possibly deserve this summer to show their intentions as i think this year has just been scatter gun with money being spent but in the wrong areas.

If we are sat here at the end of July with nothing changing then bloody right but i think it's fair to wait and see
Maybe being really harsh here but I think the shake up needs to go all the way into the business side of things as well. I personally feel Angus needs to be removed from CE, he could always be CFO or something but we need someone with real football business experience or at the very least in a significant customer facing position to bring some credibility back. The CE position is really important and with all due respect I don’t think a career at Nationwide is entirely relevant to a football club. At the very least he needs some help.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:53:27
Not sure how buying a season ticket in a transaction whereby I get match tickets equates to handing over £1m cash...?
Yeah wasn't great was it . Just being a moany prick


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 18:55:28
Yeah wasn't great was it . Just being a moany prick

Everything written at the moment needs a 'hot take' filter!  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:18:08
https://twitter.com/camelsaunders/status/1653110290576203813?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg

Not even shocked… the classic Swindon way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:24:08
There has to have been a break clause. Simply no way we pay them out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:25:24
https://twitter.com/camelsaunders/status/1653110290576203813?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg

Not even shocked… the classic Swindon way.

Who is that fella?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 1, 2023, 19:57:56
Who is that fella?

Not a clue


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 1, 2023, 22:58:02
Now the rip cord has been pulled on Morris i would expect to see further rip cords go over the next few days


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 06:15:38
Now the rip cord has been pulled on Morris i would expect to see further rip cords go over the next few days


Who are you thinking other than Sandro?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 07:48:41

Q:Can the club let the fans know if Ed Brand is still contracted to Chelsea or is he a permanent Swindon town
employee, if he is still contracted to Chelsea what are the terms of the deal? For example, how long will he be
with STFC, can Chelsea recall him?


A:Ed Brand is a permanent Swindon Town employee





 :D Open and Transparent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:07:19
Q:Can the club let the fans know if Ed Brand is still contracted to Chelsea or is he a permanent Swindon town
employee, if he is still contracted to Chelsea what are the terms of the deal? For example, how long will he be
with STFC, can Chelsea recall him?


A:Ed Brand is a permanent Swindon Town employee


 :D Open and Transparent.


Have you seen something to say he isn't?

I've always suspected he/we had an entente cordiale with Chelsea that allows him to go back.  I based that on his contract being shorter than Morris contract, IIRC it was until the end of next season.

But he probably was a permanent employee.

Hope Chelsea take him back either way, poor sod has been messed around somewhat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 08:10:14
Have you seen something to say he isn't?

I've always suspected he/we had an entente cordiale with Chelsea that allows him to go back.  I based that on his contract being shorter than Morris contract, IIRC it was until the end of next season.

But he probably was a permanent employee.

Hope Chelsea take him back either way, poor sod has been messed around somewhat.


No proof but thats the whispers. The fact hes still listed on the Chelsea website speaks volumes

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/teams/profile/ed-brand


They no doubt have an army of admin staff, if he wasnt meant to be there he wouldnt be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:23:00
Whelan reporting Sandro departure imminent


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:29:25
This is completely speculative and just a theory. Last summer - Clem was happy with how things were progressing and got a bit naive/complacent thinking running a football club might be easier than he thought (the football side). He let Zav Austin run things, but Zav has ulterior motives and wants to be in it to make money. There seems to be a wheel of connections between Sandro, Zav, Chris Kiely, Adam Hart and the McFarlane lot. Clem has since realised that they aren't in it for the right reasons and is back tightening his reign again, the majority of the issues are "out or outgoing" and the football side is being resolved once more... just a theory as I say but it would make sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 10:30:45
Whelan reporting Sandro departure imminent
Key really is who replaces him, there’s no one at the club currently who you’d trust or say has the experience to recruit a new manager. I know people are saying Ralph’s replacement will be internal but I can’t see anyone at the club currently being remotely up to recruiting a new 1st team manager. Surely Clem’s going to have to do this himself hopefully with a bit of outside help from a few experienced heads.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:26:49
Ding Dong the Witch is Sacked

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-sandro-di-michele-leaves-swindon-town/

A four line statement!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 11:58:46
Ding Dong the Witch is Sacked

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-sandro-di-michele-leaves-swindon-town/

A four line statement!

Good riddance to those recently departed

Clem has acted decisively:
Poor recruitment in January, sacked the recruiter
Poor performances/results since January, sacked the manager

Hopefully the appropriate experienced replacements are already waiting in the wings and upon appointing them, Clem needs to issue a statement, saying essentially: he got it wrong, what lessons have been learnt and how he is now adjusting the model by recruiting experienced managerial heads to achieve our number one goal of promotion out of this league.

That's the only way to build bridges with our frustrated, angry and understandably cynical fanbase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 12:07:27
The biggest issue remains that there is nobody at the helm of the club/business with any sort of idea of what goes on in the football business.  I'm OK with doing things differently, and certainly not just packing the place with old fuddy duddies that employ all their mates, but we really need at least one person who can cu through the shit and employ the right people in the right roles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 16:44:04
Save the money on a DoF.
Shift Angus to CFO.
Hire a proper football CEO.
Then employ a manager. Not a 'first team coach.'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:07:54
Throw a wet sponge at Sandro clad in stocks in the car park pre game.

£10 per throw.

There’s your transfer kitty for next season.

Nahh, next seasons transfer kitty is already accounted for by not staying in a hotel at Crewe  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 17:24:59
Ding Dong the Witch is Sacked

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-sandro-di-michele-leaves-swindon-town/

A four line statement!

Two.

A header title line followed by one sentence. It's still more than the cunt deserved but very glad it wasn't a glowing adieu.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 08:59:46
I think there is work to do before appointing another manager. I've been following at arms length this season, but it seems quite a lot of rot has set it.. poor football decisions, delayed appointments, poor fitness, poor transfers, etc..

getting rid of Sandro is a good start - I'd be looking at the contribution of Hart and Kiely and remocing them, tbh I'm not even clear who they are or what they do, but it sounds like they have influence on the footballing side. Then rebuild the fitness/medical(not sure if the two are linked) - no need for  fancy systems - just get fitness/conditioning coaches and the tools they ask for.

Teams in all leagues buy young players, develop them, and sell for profit all the time - there is no need to go 'all in' on moneyball  - it needs to be a well rounded squad where a good proportion of the investment goes to players under 25 but no restriction on getting in older players if that's what the team needs.

If Clem needs a Vice-Chair to be his eyes/ears and leader while he's in Aus - then appoint one that's going to add value and plug some knowledge/experience gaps. ZA can be given a free season ticket in the TE for his help, not free hospitality

then bring in a manager  - just needs someone to get out of L2. The lifespan of a league manager isn't that long anyway - no need to be looking at the next 5 years when we talk about one manager appointment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 09:14:07
BenTheRed -  We absolutely need to get the non playing structure right. We have some time to do that, but not a lot.

I wonder if this has been obvious to the club since January, or whether only late into when the Morris appointment didn't work out. i.e. I wonder if this (Morris, Sandro) is already the start of some considered plan or reactionary.

I'm sure we all have a sense of dread that the whole thing is going to drag on for weeks.

But maybe it'll all be in place by the fans forum...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 12:49:11
Fans forum 17th May 8-10


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 13:04:01
Fans forum 17th May 8-10

Yup - don't forget you need a (free) ticket

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/swindon-town-fc-fans-forum-hosted-by-stfc-official-supporters-club-tstbl-tickets-621725306127?aff=ebdssbdestsearch


Also I hardly ever carry cash, but if you wish to donate :

"We will have buckets around the room if you want to donate, and all monies raised will go to the Darby-Rimmer MND Foundation, the OSC charity of the year."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 14:57:01
Fans forum 17th May 8-10

Maybe we should compile a list of questions and send in advance to be answered on the night, so we don't get any, 'we will have to look into that and get back to you' which means they will ignore it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 3, 2023, 15:12:01
Maybe we should compile a list of questions and send in advance to be answered on the night, so we don't get any, 'we will have to look into that and get back to you' which means they will ignore it

Or more likely will come up with a long winded PC answer that doesn’t actually answer the question or give you any information at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:14:53
https://twitter.com/tariqahmadbt/status/1654125646233358338

Looks like the Vice Chairman Matchday Guest is being allowed to sign documents at the Foreign Office on behalf of the club. This is a serious fucking embarrassment at this point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:27:49
https://twitter.com/tariqahmadbt/status/1654125646233358338

Looks like the Vice Chairman Matchday Guest is being allowed to sign documents at the Foreign Office on behalf of the club. This is a serious fucking embarrassment at this point.

Can't get Twitter at work - what's this about fella?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:28:02
I am in no way making excuses as i ideally don't want him anywhere near the club myself but this isn't anything new is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:31:11
I am in no way making excuses as i ideally don't want him anywhere near the club myself but this isn't anything new is it?

Surely a ‘match day guest’ shouldn’t have the ability to do this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:32:19
Zav Austin signing paperwork on behalf of STFC setting up a Foreign Office scholarship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:32:49
Surely a ‘match day guest’ shouldn’t have the ability to do this?

No. No they should not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:33:15
No - this is how you get the Visa's sorted, by having an official sponsoring route within the UK.  Chevening in this instance presumably meeting the UK side costs of any individual wishing to come over.

What we will likely never know, and it's not in any way illegal, is how much he makes from it personally for sourcing the "talent" and respective families that would likely trail.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:35:50
Zav Austin signing paperwork on behalf of STFC setting up a Foreign Office scholarship.

While you can assume, we cannot be sure he is there to sign on behalf of STFC the business entity.  He could well be there as an intermediary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:36:38
I am genuinely not being obtuse but what is he signing and doing? Is this not some sort of nonsense agreement they have sorted with other companies and tey are saying that they have been doing it with us already, didn't we know that?

Honestly i am not arguing genuinely don't know what the fuck the story actually means


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:37:05
Surely a ‘match day guest’ shouldn’t have the ability to do this?
But what is he signing? Is this something new?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:38:19
I am genuinely not being obtuse but what is he signing and doing? Is this not some sort of nonsense agreement they have sorted with other companies and tey are saying that they have been doing it with us already, didn't we know that?

Honestly i am not arguing genuinely don't know what the fuck the story actually means


Hes there representing the football club. It means we're consistently lied to and the Supporters groups are turning a blind eye.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:38:54
While you can assume, we cannot be sure he is there to sign on behalf of STFC the business entity.  He could well be there as an intermediary.

He is clearly representing STFC in the Foreign Office, which given the last Advisory Board relegated him to the status of Matchday Guest, is ridiculous. I'm ashamed that this bloke is walking the corridors of power in the name of our club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:39:12
I am genuinely not being obtuse but what is he signing and doing? Is this not some sort of nonsense agreement they have sorted with other companies and tey are saying that they have been doing it with us already, didn't we know that?

Honestly i am not arguing genuinely don't know what the fuck the story actually means

The UK Govt and an Org that funds scholarships signing a Memorandum of Understanding for a STFC based "course"  This will enable students from Pakistan to apply for and be granted funding to come over here with STFC as the provider and Chevening funneling the Govt money to cover it.

He absolutely should not be there in an STFC official capacity.

I would hope he is not - I hope he is there for his own personal interest.

I still think it's a crock of shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:39:25

Hes there representing the football club. It means we're consistently lied to and the Supporters groups are turning a blind eye.

Nail, meet Head.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:40:52
But what is he signing? Is this something new?

I think the fact he is even there representing the club goes back on everything the advisory board notes said. Regardless of whether he is signing anything personally.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:41:28
I don't think he is signing anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:41:32
Hmm. Can't help but think that photo will not help the club explain to the FA that he is not a person of significant control. Or the same to the fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:41:53
The wording of the tweet from the UK Government Minister is "Delighted today to sign a MoU for a Chevening Swindon Town Football Scholarship." And there is our boy sat in the middle.

If you think he is there under his own steam then I give up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:43:02
The wording of the tweet from the UK Government Minister is "Delighted today to sign a MoU for a Chevening Swindon Town Football Scholarship." And there is our boy sat in the middle.

If you think he is there under his own steam then I give up.

My point, which is narrow, is that I do not think STFC has anything to sign in this specific bit of legal work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:43:51
My point, which is narrow, is that I do not think STFC has anything to sign in this specific bit of legal work.

In which case, why is he there? Or is he a Document Signing Guest at the FCDO too?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:44:06
I think the fact he is even there representing the club goes back on everything the advisory board notes said. Regardless of whether he is signing anything personally.
Agree he shouldn't be anywhere near the club but we have known about this Karachi thing since day one and he was always going to still be involved. It fucking stinks

I thought it was something new that  was my confusion


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:45:39
Agree he shouldn't be anywhere near the club but we have known about this Karachi thing since day one and he was always going to still be involved. It fucking stinks

I thought it was something new that  was my confusion

It is new. This is him, today as far as we can tell, in the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office on Whitehall sat with a Government minister.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:47:24
In which case, why is he there? Or is he a Document Signing Guest at the FCDO too?!

That bit is the open question that should indeed be served to the club.

My reading of this - this is the Govt and Chevening signing a MoU which enables the Govt to send funds to Chevening for a course that STFC will be the provider of.  Chevening would then have an agreement with STFC after this, which enables us to get paid by Chevening rather than the student.  I still think Zav gets paid like an agent in this deal, likely by the Pakistan side.  I very much doubt the least well off player in Pakistan is chosen to receive this Scholarship.

Why Zav is in that meeting, could well be just as a personal rep of himself as the agent who set the whole thing in motion.  If as a rep of STFC, then even if not doing anything official, it's a shit look.

Either way, I am not disagreeing that him being there looks bad when our name is mentioned, and the whole thing itself is fucking waste of our clubs time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:48:01
Hmm. Can't help but think that photo will not help the club explain to the FA that he is not a person of significant control. Or the same to the fans.
Spot on, that's the most important thing as well to be honest. Just as the club start making the right noises it's over to Zav to cause a fucking issue again. It is so tiresome

Is there a cooling off period on season tickets on finance  :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:49:04
Karachi still makes no sense, even the casually brushing it off as oh hes funding it himself.. how can he? Hes not involved with the club? Why is he allowed to use the clubs name if hes not involved? Surely the club who beg fans for refunds, and charge sponsors for house wine wouldnt miss the chance to charge someone to use their intellectual property, would they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:50:24
It is new. This is him, today as far as we can tell, in the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office on Whitehall sat with a Government minister.
No, not the photo the scheme that he is signing off. nearly 2 yrs ago he said and the club did that he was going to Karachi to try get youngsters over on scholariships, i assume it is this?

Was just trying to gather if it is was something totally different to that that was all


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:51:44
Karachi still makes no sense, even the casually brushing it off as oh hes funding it himself.. how can he? Hes not involved with the club? Why is he allowed to use the clubs name if hes not involved? Surely the club who beg fans for refunds, and charge sponsors for house wine wouldnt miss the chance to charge someone to use their intellectual property, would they?

I think it is a self indulged flashier way of doing what Fitton did. He will o doubt be trying to unearth a gem that we sell one day and he gets a big finders fee


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:53:36
I think it is a self indulged flashier way of doing what Fitton did. He will o doubt be trying to unearth a gem that we sell one day and he gets a big finders fee


Whats STFC's involvement- if as were told this guy is merely a friend of the owner.


Does Clem let his other mates use the Axis brand for leverage?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:54:58
Karachi still makes no sense, even the casually brushing it off as oh hes funding it himself.. how can he? Hes not involved with the club? Why is he allowed to use the clubs name if hes not involved? Surely the club who beg fans for refunds, and charge sponsors for house wine wouldnt miss the chance to charge someone to use their intellectual property, would they?


This is guesswork using what we know and my experience of the Immigration world.

Zav is acting as an agent.

STFC is acting a sponsoring employer/provider of a Course - likely a year long Diploma or something.

Zav has used the clubs time to get a Coach over and look at some possible students - so they at least can play the game.

Zav makes money by working with the families to tee-up the right student, and takes a % of legal fees required to complete the primary and any trailing Visa's required ($$$$'s in this bit)

STFC has to run a course for the students - the costs of doing so are now going to be funded using a Chevening Scholarship - student will pay using the Scholarship money.

Govt is agreeing to fund Chevening for any students they provide Scholarships for, which also supports the Visa application and approval.

Net cost to STFC is minimal - just that coaches time.

Reputational harm - who knows.

Possible EFL harm - who knows, but I presume Zav and STFC can argue that anyone could act as the agent in this deal and we, as a separate entity, wanted to create such a course with or without Zav,


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:56:56
That bit is the open question that should indeed be served to the club.

My reading of this - this is the Govt and Chevening signing a MoU which enables the Govt to send funds to Chevening for a course that STFC will be the provider of.  Chevening would then have an agreement with STFC after this, which enables us to get paid by Chevening rather than the student.  I still think Zav gets paid like an agent in this deal, likely by the Pakistan side.  I very much doubt the least well off player in Pakistan is chosen to receive this Scholarship.

Why Zav is in that meeting, could well be just as a personal rep of himself as the agent who set the whole thing in motion.  If as a rep of STFC, then even if not doing anything official, it's a shit look.

Either way, I am not disagreeing that him being there looks bad when our name is mentioned, and the whole thing itself is fucking waste of our clubs time.

The Chevening Awards are a UK Government Scheme. So this is taxpayers' money.

I've been interested in why we chose the specific district of Lyari in Pakistan for this hairbrained scheme to find the next world class Egyptian footballer.

This was an interesting read: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26326447

"As Karachi became a transit point in the international drug trade, local crime groups became connected to the international drug trade, making the city an important node in the world of transnational organized crime. One immediate effect on the city was the transformation of its crime groups in Lyari, one of the oldest neighbourhoods in Karachi with a predominantly Baluch population. Drug consignments transited through Lyari on their way to European, Gulf and Central Asian markets. The Baluch gangs of Lyari became key intermediaries between drug traffickers of the tribal areas and international buyers of Afghan drugs."



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:57:26
Hmm. Can't help but think that photo will not help the club explain to the FA that he is not a person of significant control. Or the same to the fans.

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/01f9f31d-d176-4618-8b7d-8a4a08ac2107.e2f3c5673687d489a07d8b883cbe03d2.jpeg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:58:36
The Chevening Awards are a UK Government Scheme. So this is taxpayers' money.

Which at least gives some indication it is scrutinised to some extent.

Still not buying the whole thing though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 14:58:56
if it helps explain why Zav would carry on with this - my employer probably spent over $20k in legal fees on my Visa and subsequent Green Card, minimum.  That was for myself and three family members.

Imagine having a steady stream for a few years of two students and their families, then renewals of Visa's when they want to stay or get signed to Pro deals (icing on the cake).

It's not going to make Millions, but it's an ingenious way of making some cash if you have a willing sponsor.  All above board as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:06:02

Whats STFC's involvement- if as were told this guy is merely a friend of the owner.


Does Clem let his other mates use the Axis brand for leverage?
We get the player i suppose although Robs idea sounds more feasable than mine or Mooneys idea


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:07:20
The Chevening Awards are a UK Government Scheme. So this is taxpayers' money.

I've been interested in why we chose the specific district of Lyari in Pakistan for this hairbrained scheme to find the next world class Egyptian footballer.

This was an interesting read: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26326447

"As Karachi became a transit point in the international drug trade, local crime groups became connected to the international drug trade, making the city an important node in the world of transnational organized crime. One immediate effect on the city was the transformation of its crime groups in Lyari, one of the oldest neighbourhoods in Karachi with a predominantly Baluch population. Drug consignments transited through Lyari on their way to European, Gulf and Central Asian markets. The Baluch gangs of Lyari became key intermediaries between drug traffickers of the tribal areas and international buyers of Afghan drugs."



Why are we looking for the next world class Egyptian footballer. in Pakistan or have I missed something?

This could be fishy as fuck or it could not be, but you do seem to be making much of him signing something in a picture where he is obviously not signing anything, interacting with the government who will undoubtedly have done more due diligence on whatever is happening than a couple of bored blokes on the interweb adding 5 and 5 and coming up with 1500.

I think it is a self indulged flashier way of doing what Fitton did. He will o doubt be trying to unearth a gem that we sell one day and he gets a big finders fee

I am inclined to agree, I suspect as much as with Jed and others its an ego thing as with the whole VC thing until Clem realised that was a bad idea. As for the reason why its Pakistan/Karachi, there could be a plethora of reasons nefarious or entirely fine why he has chosen to go there


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:07:54
Zav Austin signing paperwork on behalf of STFC setting up a Foreign Office scholarship.

If I point out that this is not a photo of Zav signing anything, but of Zav sitting like a spare part between the two involved parties whilst THEY sign an agreement is that going to provoke a howling backlash accusing me of being a naive fool?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:09:44
Why are we looking for the next world class Egyptian footballer. in Pakistan or have I missed something?

This could be fishy as fuck or it could not be, but you do seem to be making much of him signing something in a picture where he is obviously not signing anything, interacting with the government who will undoubtedly have done more due diligence on whatever is happening than a couple of bored blokes on the interweb adding 5 and 5 and coming up with 1500.

I am inclined to agree, I suspect as much as with Jed and others its an ego thing as with the whole VC thing until Clem realised that was a bad idea. As for the reason why its Pakistan/Karachi, there could be a plethora of reasons nefarious or entirely fine why he has chosen to go there

Because that is what the thick twat implied when he said why the thing was being set up in the first place. All of his press releases read like he wrote them himself having skipped school for a decade.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:11:44
If I point out that this is not a photo of Zav signing anything, but of Zav sitting like a spare part between the two involved parties whilst THEY sign an agreement is that going to provoke a howling backlash accusing me of being a naive fool?

I believe 'happy clapper' is the present derisory term of choice.

These pictures happen all the time when such formal signings take place, I have sat between people and govt officers in such cases where I have brought such things together for formal sign off, its PR guff no better than the massive cheque photo's, which I have also done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:12:37
Just to be clear - I don't think they expect to find the next world class Egyptian footballer in Pakistan, I think they were using Mo Salah as an example of what can be found if you dig deep enough. I guess they want to find the first world class footballers in Pakistan if possible. (or that's what is being sold)

But I assume you knew that. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:14:02
Just to be clear - I don't think they expect to find the next world class Egyptian footballer in Pakistan, I think they were using Mo Salah as an example of what can be found if you dig deep enough. I guess they want to find the first world class footballers in Pakistan if possible. (or that's what is being sold)

But I assume you knew that.  

Yes, I'm being a snarky facetious twat because this guy should be nowhere near our club!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:15:14
Yes, I'm being a snarky facetious twat because this guy should be nowhere near our club!

Yeah I realised that :)

Out of interest, when is the next Advisory Board?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:15:26
Just to be clear - I don't think they expect to find the next world class Egyptian footballer in Pakistan, I think they were using Mo Salah as an example of what can be found if you dig deep enough. I guess they want to find the first world class footballers in Pakistan if possible. (or that's what is being sold)

But I assume you knew that.  

But what if the potential Egyptian footballer was on holiday in Pakistan?  ;) :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:16:17
I think the point here is don't say Dear old Zav is just a matchday guest if he isn't. Say he will be continuing his work on the Karachi programme if that is the case.

Be, you know, open and transparent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:16:41
Yeah I realised that :)

Out of interest, when is the next Advisory Board?

Dunno, but the fans forum will thankfully let the most vociferous on here go along and vent their spleens in person to those who matter. Hopefully then answers will be forthcoming and bandwidth saved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:17:02
Come on. Even the most suspicious on here knows what was meant about the next Egyptian world class player. Whether there are any gems to be had in Pakistan is neither here nor there. It’s just a comparison between 2 countries that, traditionally, dont produce such players.

It seems that absolutely anything that comes out of the club now immediately has a negative slant put on it.

Nobody gave a fuck when Power took over with a history of financial disaster behind him.

It’s getting fucking tiresome.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:18:33
Why are we looking for the next world class Egyptian footballer. in Pakistan or have I missed something?

This could be fishy as fuck or it could not be, but you do seem to be making much of him signing something in a picture where he is obviously not signing anything, interacting with the government who will undoubtedly have done more due diligence on whatever is happening than a couple of bored blokes on the interweb adding 5 and 5 and coming up with 1500.

I am inclined to agree, I suspect as much as with Jed and others its an ego thing as with the whole VC thing until Clem realised that was a bad idea. As for the reason why its Pakistan/Karachi, there could be a plethora of reasons nefarious or entirely fine why he has chosen to go there

I sort of agree with you on the importance or otherwise of him being there.  Why Pakistan?  It is probably one of the top locations in the world for making money out of immigration processes - not least because it is dodgy as fuck locally (this is well known in the Immigration circles).  I very much doubt he went there and got the locals to create an entirely fictional football club because he felt that was a sure fire way of getting the regions best talent.  Much more likely he realised it was a very creative way of milking significant cash from well off locals in a very unregulated part of the world using a willing sponsor that had fallen into his lap.  I think he claims he knows someone who suggest the region to him - maybe it's 100% true, but you'd likely strike a partnership with a well known club there, or University, not magic one up.  It's an obvious funding vehicle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:22:20
I believe 'happy clapper' is the present derisory term of choice.

These pictures happen all the time when such formal signings take place, I have sat between people and govt officers in such cases where I have brought such things together for formal sign off, its PR guff no better than the massive cheque photo's, which I have also done.

It's exactly that. I've been at major contract signings and everyone that signs has their own nearly paid out place at the table, with the document to sign and a matching branded pen. Zav clearly ain't signing anything. I

I'm intrigued by this though. The Chevening scholarship (normally anyway) funds in entirety the costs of a masters degree at a UK university for the scholar. It pays tuition fees, funds accommodation, flights over, the lot. What MA equivalent qualification can we award?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:23:01
Come on. Even the most suspicious on here knows what was meant about the next Egyptian world class player. Whether there are any gems to be had in Pakistan is neither here nor there. It’s just a comparison between 2 countries that, traditionally, dont produce such players.

It seems that absolutely anything that comes out of the club now immediately has a negative slant put on it.

Nobody gave a fuck when Power took over with a history of financial disaster behind him.

It’s getting fucking tiresome.

There is some good debate to be had about Zav's involvement, but I do think the club has a lot to answer for here for very different reasons.

At a time where fans are being asked to volunteer to send sandwiches and crisps to Calne, it looks very odd to tie ourselves into a scheme that will, if  not already, drag resources from the club to support.  We literally have zero shit together and then do this?  It's a canary in a coal mine, if nothing else, that things are just a bit fucked up.

We can't really do much other than nash our teeth, but for a club relying on goodwill to the extent we have been, it's not a good look.  If they wonder why season ticket sales decline - start here and work your way around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:24:25
Come on. Even the most suspicious on here knows what was meant about the next Egyptian world class player. Whether there are any gems to be had in Pakistan is neither here nor there. It’s just a comparison between 2 countries that, traditionally, dont produce such players.

It seems that absolutely anything that comes out of the club now immediately has a negative slant put on it.

Nobody gave a fuck when Power took over with a history of financial disaster behind him.

It’s getting fucking tiresome.

This hasn't come out of the club, which again tells a tale in its own right. The last we heard, literally a fortnight ago, he wasn't involved anymore. Yet he clearly is. They've made a rod for their own back here.

And on Power, plenty of people gave a fuck and they were largely told to pipe down, and that in itself is reason enough not to just sit idly by when there are questions to be asked of the current regime and things look and smell off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:24:37
It's exactly that. I've been at major contract signings and everyone that signs has their own nearly paid out place at the table, with the document to sign and a matching branded pen. Zav clearly ain't signing anything. I

I'm intrigued by this though. The Chevening scholarship (normally anyway) funds in entirety the costs of a masters degree at a UK university for the scholar. It pays tuition fees, funds accommodation, flights over, the lot. What MA equivalent qualification can we award?

Oddly, some sort of Football Data Science scheme would have made more sense in all this - in fact, it would have filled the internship need we seemed to have (which looked dodgy as fuck in terms of sticking to UK employment law).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:28:01
This hasn't come out of the club, which again tells a tale in its own right. The last we heard, literally a fortnight ago, he wasn't involved anymore. Yet he clearly is. They've made a rod for their own back here.

And on Power, plenty of people gave a fuck and they were largely told to pipe down, and that in itself is reason enough not to just sit idly by when there are questions to be asked of the current regime and things look and smell off.
But do you know for sure he’s there representing STFC or just himself as an external agent?

You may well be right - but you don’t know and are just taking the worst case scenario as fact.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:30:50
But do you know for sure he’s there representing STFC or just himself as an external agent?

You may well be right - but you don’t know and are just taking the worst case scenario as fact.

Zav Austin is sat in a photo that talks about a Swindon Town Football Scholarship.

I genuinely can't believe this is even a debate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:37:10
I sort of agree with you on the importance or otherwise of him being there.  Why Pakistan?  It is probably one of the top locations in the world for making money out of immigration processes - not least because it is dodgy as fuck locally (this is well known in the Immigration circles).  I very much doubt he went there and got the locals to create an entirely fictional football club because he felt that was a sure fire way of getting the regions best talent.  Much more likely he realised it was a very creative way of milking significant cash from well off locals in a very unregulated part of the world using a willing sponsor that had fallen into his lap.  I think he claims he knows someone who suggest the region to him - maybe it's 100% true, but you'd likely strike a partnership with a well known club there, or University, not magic one up.  It's an obvious funding vehicle.

Who knows, doing a little bit more reading round the things https://study-uk.britishcouncil.org/scholarships-funding/chevening-scholarships it appears that successful applicants are chosen at the relevant Embassy or High Commission level so not sure how Austin can influence that (at least initially), plus they tend to be for more academic things so no idea how the club can angle that unless its a MA in being shite at football?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:46:45
Zav Austin is sat in a photo that talks about a Swindon Town Football Scholarship.

I genuinely can't believe this is even a debate.
But is he there as an official representative of the club or not?

What ‘talking’ was there


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:49:03
But is he there as an official representative of the club or not?


Nah, he bought a ticket from ticketmaster.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:52:36
But is he there as an official representative of the club or not?

The tweet is talking about Swindon Town FFS.

Fucking hell, we are dancing on the head of a pin here.

I have no fucking idea if he slapped his business card down and signed in Rockin Robin's blood but it is a thoroughly shit look for the club, the Advisory board and anyone who thinks this absolute clown show of a club is moving in the right direction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:53:23

Nah, he bought a ticket from ticketmaster.
Via the official supporters club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:56:09
The tweet is talking about Swindon Town FFS.

Fucking hell, we are dancing on the head of a pin here.

I have no fucking idea if he slapped his business card down and signed in Rockin Robin's blood but it is a thoroughly shit look for the club, the Advisory board and anyone who thinks this absolute clown show of a club is moving in the right direction.
So what do we do about it then. Agree it is a shit show but apart from say so on forums and Twitter there just aren't enough people who care as much as others. Rightly or wrongly ( The latter) If there are around 100 people complaining on forums and social media and over 9k still turning up weekly why will they listen?

It's no good telling us or the odd person who disagrees what else can be done


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:57:07
The tweet is talking about Swindon Town FFS.

Fucking hell, we are dancing on the head of a pin here.

I have no fucking idea if he slapped his business card down and signed in Rockin Robin's blood but it is a thoroughly shit look for the club, the Advisory board and anyone who thinks this absolute clown show of a club is moving in the right direction.

The Tweet that has only emerged as a member of the Lords wants to show that he is doing something?

I see Chevening has neither tweeted about it or even retweeted this tweet #shambles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:58:39
So what do we do about it then. Agree it is a shit show but apart from say so on forums and Twitter there just aren't enough people who care as much as others. Rightly or wrongly ( The latter) If there are around 100 people complaining on forums and social media and over 9k still turning up weekly why will they listen?

It's no good telling us or the odd person who disagrees what else can be done

If only there were a fans forum coming up where those vociferous online could go along and ask questions, and one would assume follow up questions, and see the whites of the eyes of those answering them.

Can't come quickly enough!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:59:39
Who knows, doing a little bit more reading round the things https://study-uk.britishcouncil.org/scholarships-funding/chevening-scholarships it appears that successful applicants are chosen at the relevant Embassy or High Commission level so not sure how Austin can influence that (at least initially), plus they tend to be for more academic things so no idea how the club can angle that unless its a MA in being shite at football?

I wouldn't put much faith in the "process" on the Pakistan side, as I say, it's a notorious location for creative thinking when it comes to the immigration world.  There is so much money to be made on the applicants side.  I'm not saying this is anyway shape or form a problem for STFC, but it's pretty clear how Zav makes money here.  Karachi FC isn't even a real football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 15:59:48
So what do we do about it then. Agree it is a shit show but apart from say so on forums and Twitter there just aren't enough people who care as much as others. Rightly or wrongly ( The latter) If there are around 100 people complaining on forums and social media and over 9k still turning up weekly why will they listen?

It's no good telling us or the odd person who disagrees what else can be done

It has been a hot topic. Felt it was worth sharing. Seems to have generated some debate, however tedious in parts!

I'm not 'telling' anyone anything. "Something must be done!"  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

There are plenty of ways to do that. We have a well functioning Advisory Board that answer any question for example.  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 16:03:03
So what do we do about it then. Agree it is a shit show but apart from say so on forums and Twitter there just aren't enough people who care as much as others. Rightly or wrongly ( The latter) If there are around 100 people complaining on forums and social media and over 9k still turning up weekly why will they listen?

It's no good telling us or the odd person who disagrees what else can be done

I think the impact to sales on season tickets has already started a shift in focus.  Shit like this does not help season ticket sales, on that we can likely all agree.  In which case, why the fuck are we still involved and supporting it?  Fuck what Zav gets from it, why are we investing time and effort into this idea?  It is not going to support revenue unless we have also identified a way of adding massive mark-ups to the cost of running a course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 16:06:14
I think the impact to sales on season tickets has already started a shift in focus.  Shit like this does not help season ticket sales, on that we can likely all agree.  In which case, why the fuck are we still involved and supporting it?  Fuck what Zav gets from it, why are we investing time and effort into this idea?  It is not going to support revenue unless we have also identified a way of adding massive mark-ups to the cost of running a course.

This is a big part of the issue. Same as fiddling about with Doughty and sustainability, taking on the Women's team etc. All perfectly laudable if your club is motoring along like a finely tuned Rolls Royce.

We can't feed the team at the training ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 16:19:55
Almost comedy that we have someone banging the drum for sustainability, yet also have a volunteer driving to Calne with lunches every day. I do hope they are vetting the volunteers to ensure they have electric cars  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 16:22:19
In all fairness, you'd hope the club reps were primed for a grilling at the Fans Forum - what else would they expect from the first one after our worst or second worst finish in Div 4?  Fuck, if people can't have a little whine then, when would they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 17:44:06
If only there were a fans forum coming up *where those vociferous online could go along and ask questions, and one would assume follow up questions, and see the whites of the eyes of those answering them.

Can't come quickly enough!

*where fans can sit quietly, nods their head and look down at their shoes then moan about everything behind a screen name on the internet as soon as they get home


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 20:38:20
I see the Trust are nibbling.

https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1654218147736461312

What reason can there be for them never (to my memory) saying anything publicly on Austin other than a very early holding statement?

Interestingly the wording of that was "we have yet to meet Zavier Austin and do not know if these stories are accurate - we are seeking clarity. We at @TrustSTFC will be looking to meet Mr Austin if approved by the EFL and appointed as director."

So on that basis...have they never met him?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 20:42:51
They think they can achieve more inside the tent as a critical friend, than outside it. They're probably right, frustrating as it might be.

I do think on this one a short "the Trust are aware of circulating photos and are making representations to the club on behalf of the fans" type statement would probably be wise. Which is basically what that Twitter reply says, just a bit more professional.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 20:45:00
They think they can achieve more inside the tent as a critical friend, than outside it. They're probably right, frustrating as it might be.

I do think on this one a short "the Trust are aware of circulating photos and are making representations to the club on behalf of the fans" type statement would probably be wise. Which is basically what that Twitter reply says, just a bit more professional.

I can see that now that they are essentially co-owners of the tent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 21:04:42
I do wonder whether, now the ground purchase is complete, it is time for a change of personnel in the leadership of the Trust. Some have been there for a very long time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 22:47:02
I do wonder whether, now the ground purchase is complete, it is time for a change of personnel in the leadership of the Trust. Some have been there for a very long time.

If you are passionate about this, you can always contact them to see how you can help/input?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, May 5, 2023, 09:37:52
 Always a giggle reading some of the stuff on here

Just to add into the Zav/Karachi/Government/MOU/HesJustThereForThePic/

This man passed a fit and proper persons test from the EFL : https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/status/1654083186421297152?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg

Zav Austin wouldn’t, as mentioned by the club after their legal advice. Whatever you wanna say about him not signing/signing/being in the pic blah blah blah.. Zav Austin is representing and acting on behalf of Swindon town, dealing with government officials/minister of state, signing/watching them sign off MOU’s.

Look forward to the fans forum. As mentioned way earlier in this thread, hope is isn’t spoilt by the cuckold weasel fans who think there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the club at the moment and instead are upset that Morris called them punters/or why the Gyros Van doesn’t do a certain variation of gyro 💦😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 5, 2023, 09:43:23
  why the Gyros Van doesn’t do a certain variation of gyro 💦😂

they don't do Gyros at all - you unfeeling bastard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 5, 2023, 09:49:08
they don't do Gyros at all - you unfeeling bastard.

If it's any consolation, we have a superb Gyros van which is parked next to our local convenience store, perhaps a walk of 45-60 seconds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 5, 2023, 09:51:38
If it's any consolation, we have a superb Gyros van which is parked next to our local convenience store, perhaps a walk of 45-60 seconds.

Its OK, the parent restaurant of the van (Greek Olive) do them to take away. With the added advantage of not getting ripped off for being a football fan.

The van was opened in the car park in the evenings when it was there, and the prices were a fair bit cheaper than match time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, May 5, 2023, 09:56:36
https://www.gyro-world.co.uk/swindon/

This place is much better than Greek Olive IMO.



The gyro van at the CG is now replaced by the emergency generator


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 5, 2023, 09:59:44
https://www.gyro-world.co.uk/swindon/

This place is much better than Greek Olive IMO.



The gyro van at the CG is now replaced by the emergency generator

I'd never even heard of that place, thanks!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, May 5, 2023, 10:04:10
I'd never even heard of that place, thanks!

Welcome mate, the 'Go Big' will fill up even the fattest of bastards for a tenner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, May 5, 2023, 12:10:40
Welcome mate, the 'Go Big' will fill up even the fattest of bastards for a tenner.
  Bet Jutty could get value for money !!.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 06:45:04
Allegedly the Club’s Finance Director, Greg Norman, has resigned. Supposedly a big Town fan and people on the famous FB group are suggesting this is a harbinger of doom in some way. Anyone ITK?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 07:35:46
Someone else also reckons the new manager/coach is another inexperienced type who’ll definitely get us relegated.

Bundle of laughs on here nowadays.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 08:07:52
Someone else also reckons the new manager/coach is another inexperienced type who’ll definitely get us relegated.

Bundle of laughs on here nowadays.

…that was a wind up on Twitter


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 09:03:02
Allegedly the Club’s Finance Director, Greg Norman, has resigned. Supposedly a big Town fan and people on the famous FB group are suggesting this is a harbinger of doom in some way. Anyone ITK?
Given how poor the backoffice staff are paid could it be that he's simply left for more money.   Being a town fan is depressing enough without having to take a pay cut.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 10:59:04
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Someone else also reckons the new manager/coach is another inexperienced type who’ll definitely get us relegated.

Bundle of laughs on here nowadays.
I've heard the Charlie Austin hints on SM but I think that was a wind up.

 Not even got badges and much as I love him it would make as much sense as Caddis!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:08:46
I’m sorry but AFAIC there will be no appointment until end of May. Simple.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:12:11
I’m hearing Michael Flynn


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:21:03
I’m sorry but AFAIC there will be no appointment until end of May. Simple.

I’m hearing that Gav Gunning was always our preferred choice and will be appointed 5 days before the season starts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:21:13
Given how poor the backoffice staff are paid could it be that he's simply left for more money.   Being a town fan is depressing enough without having to take a pay cut.

More than likely. Even Rob Angus stated at the Supporters Club evening last week that he's earning less money now than he was at Nationwide.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:21:23
I’m hearing Michael Flynn
Interesting, I heard Cowley heavily linked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:23:14
Hasselbaink done


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:26:25
Hasselbaink done
I would rather have David Hasselhoff!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:27:58
Sorry, that was a typo. It should've read Hasselback done (as in my potatoes)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 11:28:20
I would rather have David Hasselhoff!

Wouldn’t work with the current medical staff, so that rules that one out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:47:18
Its Robbie Fowler.  Part of the deal is his property company building houses on the CG extension


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 12:48:00
Some bloke whos Wayne Hatswell’s cousin thinks its Flynn.

I’ll be happy with that tbh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:00:52
I don’t get the Flynn thing, he’s only managed at 2 clubs, both in this league and achieved nothing at either including this season. His Newport team were awful to watch, they just tried to win using brute force. I’m not quite sure where his positive reputation has come from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:01:57
If we did bring in a more physical coach (Cowley, Flynn or whoever), they're going to take one look at our squad and demand about 20 new signings. Only FBT, Brewitt, maybe Austin and Khan have anything really about them physically.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:02:46
I don’t get the Flynn thing, he’s only managed at 2 clubs, both in this league and achieved nothing at either including this season. His Newport team were awful to watch, they just tried to win using brute force. I’m not quite sure where his positive reputation has come from?
Walsall fans hated him.

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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Flynn sacked after this and he cant grumble too much if he is. However I expect him to get another job in league 2 and do well like Clarke did. We are toxic to the core.

Am I the only one who dreads another year of Flynn football and recruitment?
I’d sack him

Under Flynn we are absolute dog shit

Hope we lose if it means Flynn getting the sack.

When you look at how the football world is at present and the likes of Watford sack managers for winning 1 in 18 minutes you have to say Flynn is very lucky to still be here after winning 1 in 18 matches.

Hoping we would lose so they’d have to sack Flynn

Just embarrassing. As bad as anything I saw last season. My thoughts that Flynn could turn this around are fading quickly, I think this team is in real trouble. Can’t find anything positive to say other than it is only 1-0. Sacking him probably isn’t the answer but this shambles can’t go on


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:03:02
I don’t get the Flynn thing, he’s only managed at 2 clubs, both in this league and achieved nothing at either including this season. His Newport team were awful to watch, they just tried to win using brute force. I’m not quite sure where his positive reputation has come from?

You literally have had nothing positive to say about any name that’s been mentioned.
Who do you even want?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:04:17
I don’t get the Flynn thing, he’s only managed at 2 clubs, both in this league and achieved nothing at either including this season. His Newport team were awful to watch, they just tried to win using brute force. I’m not quite sure where his positive reputation has come from?
Must agree, wouldn’t be my choice but not sure who would be,  Artell would probably be the one if I had to pick onebut as normal we’ll probably bring in an unknown  - as they’re cheap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:04:23
I don’t get the Flynn thing, he’s only managed at 2 clubs, both in this league and achieved nothing at either including this season. His Newport team were awful to watch, they just tried to win using brute force. I’m not quite sure where his positive reputation has come from?

Flynn done a number on us at home that's good enough for me! Give him a decent budget and he may excel at a bigger club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:05:08
You literally have had nothing positive to say about any name that’s been mentioned.
Who do you even want?
I’d have Garrard or someone like that, said that already. Someone making the next step in their career. What’s the point in just going after the same names as every other club and expecting a different result.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:06:30
I don’t get the Flynn thing, he’s only managed at 2 clubs, both in this league and achieved nothing at either including this season. His Newport team were awful to watch, they just tried to win using brute force. I’m not quite sure where his positive reputation has come from?

Not saying he’s the best out there, but got Newport to two L2 play off finals on what was likely a shoestring budget. Yes the football was dire to watch, but he played to his team’s strengths. Managed a couple of impressive cup runs too, although that obviously isn’t a priority. If it wasn’t for a very dodgy penalty decision against Morecambe in 2021, and having two stonewall penalties turned down v Tranmere in 2019, we could be talking about a manager who won promotion with very limited resources. Alas, we’re not, however think he did a good job at Newport. Walsall on the other hand was a failure, but realistically where are you going to find a manager at this level that has not failed somewhere? Walsall also a graveyard for managers atm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:07:57
I’d have Garrard or someone like that, said that already. Someone making the next step in their career. What’s the point in just going after the same names as every other club and expecting a different result.

Like Morris?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:09:23
Flynn sounds very underwhelming. I'd like Garrard but we'd have to pay compo which probably rules it out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:09:41
Like Morris?
Garrard been a manager, the main man for a number of years now, not like it’s much of a jump in standard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:10:36
You literally have had nothing positive to say about anything ever.

.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:44:26
I’d have Garrard or someone like that, said that already. Someone making the next step in their career. What’s the point in just going after the same names as every other club and expecting a different result.
Someone like a Ben Garner ,Lindsey or Jody Morris then


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:45:43
Flynn sounds very underwhelming. I'd like Garrard but we'd have to pay compo which probably rules it out.
We just paid Compo to Chelsea for Brand and paid their contracts up. I dont think paying boreham wood is an issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:46:12
Someone like a Ben Garner ,Lindsey or Jody Morris then

Garner, but neither of the other two had been a manager before.

TBF, Garner was the most successful of the three


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:47:17
We just paid Compo to Chelsea for Brand and paid their contracts up. I dont think paying boreham wood is an issue.

But, we are skint, remember?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:47:56
Someone like a Ben Garner ,Lindsey or Jody Morris then
Lindsey and Morris had never managed before and Garner well… so not really anything like them no as Garrard has been a manager for 8 years. It’s not pretty football but it would be nice to see a team look like they know how to defend on a rare occasion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:48:33
Garner, but neither of the other two had been a manager before.

TBF, Garner was the most successful of the three
No but still making the next step in their career i suppose. Whoever we appoint the same old people will be underwhelmed despite being more than happy with Morris. Just as with every single appoitment we just have to wait and see i suppose


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:50:33
Lindsey and Morris had never managed before and Garner well… so not really anything like them no as Garrard has been a manager for 8 years. It’s not pretty football but it would be nice to see a team look like they know how to defend on a rare occasion.
Ok so by that logic the same you have used with Artel, why has no one touched him in 8 years? Lindsey i agree with but lets be fair we thought Morris was the right choice and Garner wasn't the failure many predicted so let's see. We have all wanted someone who has experience of this league and someone who isn't a yes man, it's a start


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:57:12
No but still making the next step in their career i suppose. Whoever we appoint the same old people will be underwhelmed despite being more than happy with Morris. Just as with every single appoitment we just have to wait and see i suppose

Absolutely, I remember some being not impressed with Ossie as he was not thought to be manager material, and was replacing Macari.

There were also doubters of Wellens, as he had been at Oldham & not very successful.

TBF, we have had good managers that have been elsewhere before and done OK (ie Sturrock), we've had them that have been successful elsewhere and not been good (Brown).

We've had first time managers that have been good (Macari) and those that haven't (Lindsey & Morris).

The point is that there's no Guaranteed answer, it will always be a case of wait & see. The problem is that we (the fans) don't appear to want to be patient


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 13:59:22
Spot on as well that is Posh, it does seem the last few years our fan base has been very reluctant to get behind a name they don't want and have been sat waiting for things to go wrong at times


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:03:15
Think we at a stage now where we need a stable/safe appointment to be honest. Sad that’s the line/thought process you have as a Swindon fan in League 2 but it’s where we are. Don’t blame those in charge for making such appointment either - been stung bad with the Morris one (yes loads of other factors in this one) so a manager with abit of experience, who hasn’t been a. compete failure, is acceptable enough imo. Super Mike Flynn here we go


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:05:47
Agree Mango. Whoever it is after this seasons shit show is a risk now. I quite like we are looking at a manager who has had some success at a smaller club but now needing to prove a point


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:22:13
We just paid Compo to Chelsea for Brand and paid their contracts up. I dont think paying boreham wood is an issue.

Did we? They wanted a secondment and seemed to just do whatever they could to get around that. Can't imagine we paid Chelsea anything when they were going to lend him to us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:33:07
Absolutely, I remember some being not impressed with Ossie as he was not thought to be manager material, and was replacing Macari.

There were also doubters of Wellens, as he had been at Oldham & not very successful.

TBF, we have had good managers that have been elsewhere before and done OK (ie Sturrock), we've had them that have been successful elsewhere and not been good (Brown).

We've had first time managers that have been good (Macari) and those that haven't (Lindsey & Morris).

The point is that there's no Guaranteed answer, it will always be a case of wait & see. The problem is that we (the fans) don't appear to want to be patient

Absolutely correct about not being able to predict it.

I'd like to be able to get behind whoever is appointed even if I'm underwhelmed by it and give them a real chance. Flynn doesn't excite me at all, but if its him then so be it.

To do that unlike this time last season, we need to A. Not take a fucking eternity to appoint someone and turn the whole thing in to a total farce and B. Not have said manager give giant red flag vibes that he didn't have the first fucking clue what he was doing, with constant verbal diarrhea waffling about playing fatigue and other total shite.

Sadly Lindsey was dead to rights from the off and it left a sour taste in peoples mouths. Even if its underwhelming, if they can make a timely appointment who seems semi capable then I'll take it.

My expectations are so low now they'd have to appoint Karl Robinson or something equally idiotic to not meet them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:33:52
Did we? They wanted a secondment and seemed to just do whatever they could to get around that. Can't imagine we paid Chelsea anything when they were going to lend him to us.
We didn't want the secondment though so had to pay for him and now have just paid them both off, i would imagine Garrards contract to buy out really wouldn't be that much


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:35:20
We didn't want the secondment though so had to pay for him and now have just paid them both off, i would imagine Garrards contract to buy out really wouldn't be that much

I'd hope not. But I can't see us going for him anyway, sadly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:37:50
On the plus side he's Welsh so may persuade Williams to stay!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: adje on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 15:41:07
On the plus side he's Welsh so may persuade Williams to stay!
👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:04:20
I’m hearing Michael Flynn

Will be confirmed soon


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:24:27
Will be confirmed soon

You're nearly always on point :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:34:57
On the plus side he's Welsh so may persuade Williams to stay!

No chance unless the wage structure changes.
He will move for a better offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 17:35:47
No chance unless the wage structure changes.
He will move for a better offer.

Down to Clem then!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, May 8, 2023, 00:11:50
Jim Gannon


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:15:31
You're nearly always on point :clap:

Cheers - just relaying things I hear!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:16:48
Cheers - just relaying things I hear!

Trusted opinions Joe never any bullshit😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 09:50:08
Zav, Kiely and Hart seemingly in the Directors’ box along with the Flynn family today.

Hart is definitely just part of a third party strength and conditioning company. Honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:11:12
Zav, Kiely and Hart seemingly in the Directors’ box along with the Flynn family today.

Hart is definitely just part of a third party strength and conditioning company. Honest.

And his son being on the bench today has nothing whatsoever to do with it ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 8, 2023, 11:48:07
Zav, Kiely and Hart seemingly in the Directors’ box along with the Flynn family today.

Hart is definitely just part of a third party strength and conditioning company. Honest.

Sigh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 12:09:09
Zav, Kiely and Hart seemingly in the Directors’ box along with the Flynn family today.

Hart is definitely just part of a third party strength and conditioning company. Honest.

Until someone asks about these at the fans forum and hopefully gets a straight answer then nobody really knows why they are here


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:03:06
Until someone asks about these at the fans forum and hopefully gets a straight answer then nobody really knows why they are here
They have tbh and they have been answered. Whether the answer is good enough is a different story though.

Let's be honest though, like last season under Garner if we end up having a good season people will forget about it all again


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:07:37
They have tbh and they have been answered. Whether the answer is good enough is a different story though.


Fair enough ask what the structure is next year though. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:12:57
I'm not sure Kiely's role has been properly explained has it?

I'd be curious to know who gave Sandro his orders, but it is a moot point now and not worth wasting time over in the Fans Forum, unless that same person is going to be leaning on Flynn to play certain players...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:24:06
Fair enough ask what the structure is next year though. 
Not said otherwise Batch i am responding to what looks like a comment that sounds like the question hasn't been asked yet.

I hope people do ask the questions at the forum for sure


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 14:31:47
Fair enough ask what the structure is next year though. 

Will be interesting to know, from fitness coaches to analyst's are they all retained from previous managers or is Flynn starting fresh

You would image Flynn with be at the Fan's Forum so people may refrain from asking certain questions and direct question to him instead


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:13:53
3300 season tickets sold so far, which I think is a good show of loyalty by the fans, bearing in mind how this season has panned out. 5100 in total sold last year, so should end up close to that, particularly if their are some decent signings made early on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:20:44
Nice


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:56:50
Quote
3300 season tickets sold so far
better than expected but a way to go yet.

Got to get them signed up, because £27 walk in will put people off if it starts slowly. Though the walk up cost may push people to STs too I suppose


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 16:58:06
3300 season tickets sold so far, which I think is a good show of loyalty by the fans, bearing in mind how this season has panned out. 5100 in total sold last year, so should end up close to that, particularly if their are some decent signings made early on.
Roughly 3x the last figure that was given so looks like there has been an early bird surge. Whether part of that is related to the departure of Sandro and Morris I’m not sure but I think it will have definitely been a factor for some. My Dad has said he wouldn’t get one with Morris as manager but now I’m hoping I can convince him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:11:58
What were at at, at this point last year, i wonder? End of the day if we get to 4k that is phenomenal given the shite served up this season. Put together a promotion contending team and people will be after half season tickets and 6 game packages and the like around christmas anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:26:15
I think I'll probably renew what with the extension and swift appointment of Flynn


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:46:23
3300 season tickets sold so far, which I think is a good show of loyalty by the fans, bearing in mind how this season has panned out. 5100 in total sold last year, so should end up close to that, particularly if their are some decent signings made early on.

Wow. That’s good to hear and that’s a real solid number all things considered. Have the club released this somewhere or is it something you know, out of curiosity? SDM fucking off and Misery Morris fucking off has defo swayed people imo. If we can somehow get to 5ish k again that would be a super effort. Dunno about others but Flynn’s war cry speech has definitely perked my interest up, I believe every word of what he said.

Like it’s been said above though, need far more ticket initiatives/packages next season- the marketing/PR side of  things for the club this season has been nothing short of a sham.

Onwards and upwards.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:48:52
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
End of the day if we get to 4k that is phenomenal given the shite served up this season. 

it is, but we at least need to match the revenue of last year .

which we may, who knows


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 17:51:32
They have tbh and they have been answered. Whether the answer is good enough is a different story though.

Let's be honest though, like last season under Garner if we end up having a good season people will forget about it all again

That’s the thing, it’s always pretty vague, and the answers often differ from each separate time it’s asked. The Hart down as a “director by mistake” just adds fuel to it all.

Fans forum will be good. Personally think Chris Kiely should be there, he’s the football man at the end of the day - but it will be numbers man Angus left to answer Qs. Flynn appintment I’m starting to like more and more but we really need to get at least 1 football man into the hierarchy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:32:01
Wow. That’s good to hear and that’s a real solid number all things considered. Have the club released this somewhere or is it something you know, out of curiosity? SDM fucking off and Misery Morris fucking off has defo swayed people imo. If we can somehow get to 5ish k again that would be a super effort. Dunno about others but Flynn’s war cry speech has definitely perked my interest up, I believe every word of what he said.

Like it’s been said above though, need far more ticket initiatives/packages next season- the marketing/PR side of  things for the club this season has been nothing short of a sham.

Onwards and upwards.

The numbers came directly from Clem when answering a question from a Swindon fan in Sydney, during a meet up with a number of Aussie based fans watching Saturdays game in a local bar. A 5 minute recording was posted on social media - quite an interesting watch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 18:54:25
That’s the thing, it’s always pretty vague, and the answers often differ from each separate time it’s asked. The Hart down as a “director by mistake” just adds fuel to it all.

Fans forum will be good. Personally think Chris Kiely should be there, he’s the football man at the end of the day - but it will be numbers man Angus left to answer Qs. Flynn appintment I’m starting to like more and more but we really need to get at least 1 football man into the hierarchy.

Same old voice of reason 👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 19:08:18
That’s the thing, it’s always pretty vague, and the answers often differ from each separate time it’s asked. The Hart down as a “director by mistake” just adds fuel to it all.

Fans forum will be good. Personally think Chris Kiely should be there, he’s the football man at the end of the day - but it will be numbers man Angus left to answer Qs. Flynn appintment I’m starting to like more and more but we really need to get at least 1 football man into the hierarchy.
Yeah fingers crossed it all gets explained on the 17th


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:53:33
Does anyone know if the Fans Forum will be streamed/recorded...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:56:00
Does anyone know if the Fans Forum will be streamed/recorded...?

It's live on Pakistani TV apparently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:03:26
It's live on Pakistani TV apparently.

 :clap:



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:10:06
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-postpone-fans-forum-until-the-start-of-the-season/

#shambles #disgrace


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:10:48
It isn't on any TV...

'Postponed.'

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23521992.swindon-town-postpone-upcoming-fans-forum-county-ground/

Farce.

Does this mean we fail in our requirement to hold two per season or whatever it is...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:11:18
Well I'm sure that everyone will agree that that is an excellent decision handled excellently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:13:02
FFS.

Pissup. Brewery and unbelievably shit excuse too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:14:03
Buy your season tickets you pigs, or it'll be your fault we are shit next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:17:41
Here we go again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:20:05
It isn't on any TV...

'Postponed.'

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23521992.swindon-town-postpone-upcoming-fans-forum-county-ground/

Farce.

Does this mean we fail in our requirement to hold two per season or whatever it is...?

Horrendous. What are they hiding?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:20:51
Also - didn't Pboro get a suspended points deduction for this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:23:23
Horrendous. What are they hiding?

Well, quite.

Like where the hell 6.5M a year is going?

Maybe Austin pulled the plug on it ;). Fuck it, lets properly make alleged shit up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:27:14
It’s valid reasons not to hold one now, on the face of it. But they’ve been valid reasons for ages - which makes it baffling why they scheduled it now in the first place. But would be in keeping with how the organisation is run for the most part


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:27:33
Ahhhh, textbook swindon.

Shame as was looking forward to it, mood around club with Flynns arrival had defo been lifted so feel like it woulda been a good atmosphere for people to ask probing questions, without it being as doom and gloom as it was with Morris and Sandro at the helm.

Will no doubt be rearranged to a point in the summer where we've signed a few players and the 'buzz' is back.

and FWIW the Clem excuse is daft, he's been scheduled to appear via FaceTime since march/April when it first asked who'd be attending.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:27:39
(https://media.tenor.com/ZAHC50FvopkAAAAC/futurama-fry.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:27:50


Does this mean we fail in our requirement to hold two per season or whatever it is...?

Yes, and the club gets fined. So the whole its the fans fault we cant be competitive on 9k crowds because you wont renew is a bit of a liberty when the club actively choses to take a financial hit rather than front up to the fans.

Did Clem realise today theres a time difference between the UK and Aus? Convenient how theyve quoted Perth rather than Sydney (where hes based) as theres a 2hr time difference.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:30:28
From the outside looking in, the club seems a mess organisationally at all of the vital levels. Going back and forth on decisions, PR own goals and contradictory statements. They don’t help themselves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:30:57
Apparently the Legends Lounge is waterlogged ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:33:02
One shambles after another and pathetic comms that take the fans for clowns.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:33:58
TSTBL couldn't make it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:34:18

Like where the hell 6.5M a year is going?


TBH considering the company employs about 129 members of staff (if not more now) and also managers a bloody great big structure which needs a shit load of maintenance (including the pitch) plus all the stuff on match days etc etc, £6.5m doesn't sound that excessive to me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:50:56
TBH considering the company employs about 129 members of staff (if not more now)

Does it? I'm amazed.

We have 80 backroom staff and coaches?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:58:03
I have a feeling that the Power era met the EFL requirements on 2 x fans forums a year by doing the good old Power Hour on BBC Wilts. I'm sure the club will be able to loosely meet the criteria with the Monday Night Panels that Sandro appeared on earlier in the season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:58:47
Does it? I'm amazed.

We have 80 backroom staff and coaches?

Accounts for 21-22 (so up to May 2022 states that the average no employed by the company including Clem was 128 (my error), up from 79 in 2020-21.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:59:45
We have 80 backroom staff and coaches?
Maybe if you include matchday stewards and food kiosk operatives, no way do we employ that many staff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:59:52
Truly baffling (to me anyway)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:00:19
Maybe if you include matchday stewards and food kiosk operatives, no way do we employ that many staff.

Now that makes sense. Like we did bring food "in house".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:00:46
I have a feeling that the Power era met the EFL requirements on 2 x fans forums a year by doing the good old Power Hour on BBC Wilts. I'm sure the club will be able to loosely meet the criteria with the Monday Night Panels that Sandro appeared on earlier in the season.

One would assume that the AB's can also count in some way as its meeting with 2x fans representatives organisations 12 times a year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:03:13
Accounts for 21-22 (so up to May 2022 states that the average no employed by the company including Clem was 128 (my error), up from 79 in 2020-21.

stewards?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:05:37
stewards?

Who fecking knows (or particularly cares), albeit the head count seems to have gone up by 49 bodies in 21-22?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:07:15
They've roused the Supporters Club into a semi-critical statement, which takes some doing

https://twitter.com/STFCSupClub/status/1658050643976761347


Will be very interesting to see what the (traditionally more activist) Trust has to say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:15:28
They've roused the Supporters Club into a semi-critical statement, which takes some doing

https://twitter.com/STFCSupClub/status/1658050643976761347


Will be very interesting to see what the (traditionally more activist) Trust has to say.

So far the Trust have RT'd only, at present  we have the rather farcical situation where the Official Supporters club are more vocal and critical against the club than the Supporters Trust.

Hopefully the trust put a statement out, if they dont for this sort of thing they never will.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:18:19
Accounts for 21-22 (so up to May 2022 states that the average no employed by the company including Clem was 128 (my error), up from 79 in 2020-21.

Academy coaches (and players(?), FITC, Women's Team, matchday hospitality etc..

To be fair with a squad of 41, that's only another 87 so not really that shocking.
The thing is how many of those are on very little and zero hours contracts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:18:53
They've roused the Supporters Club into a semi-critical statement, which takes some doing

https://twitter.com/STFCSupClub/status/1658050643976761347


Will be very interesting to see what the (traditionally more activist) Trust has to say.

By traditionally do we mean pre Summer 2021?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:20:02
They've roused the Supporters Club into a semi-critical statement, which takes some doing

https://twitter.com/STFCSupClub/status/1658050643976761347



It's fair to say they are properly pissed off


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:23:54
Academy coaches (and players(?), FITC, Women's Team, matchday hospitality etc..

To be fair with a squad of 41, that's only another 87 so not really that shocking.
The thing is how many of those are on very little and zero hours contracts?

FITC is surely an entirely separately run entity.
Women's team won't be included in that, only just moved to STFC proper
We had an academy last year!
Hospitality always used to be STFC provided, certainly outside the CentrePoint contract. Maybe its yo-yo'd since.

I reckon it is moving other functions in house, like catering, maybe security arrangement has changed, etc. But as you say, gig economics.

I was being flippent anyway - I'm not suggesting its not accurate and accountable - more that I can't ask now :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:24:17
They've roused the Supporters Club into a semi-critical statement, which takes some doing

https://twitter.com/STFCSupClub/status/1658050643976761347


Will be very interesting to see what the (traditionally more activist) Trust has to say.

Woah. Fair play OSC. When the official supporters club is publicly appearing to be unsatisfied with the decision it says a lot....

Not the end of the world by any means, but think the OSC have probably seen it as more of a principle thing.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:31:35
Not the end of the world by any means,

It isn't, the questions will keep. Its just another fuck up in a long list of fuck ups over the season. Last minute really doesn't help.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:34:40
It isn't, the questions will keep. Its just another fuck up in a long list of fuck ups over the season. Last minute really doesn't help.


Agree. Just a shambles of a club at the mo. Every time something good comes out/mood improves (how it has with Flynn) something like this happens. https://twitter.com/LoathedStranger/status/1658048427710709760?s=20


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:46:25
If they’d buried this in the Flynn appointment PR they’d have got away with it.

They could even have made it make sense if they were smart. But they aren’t.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:46:59
Timing is terrible again and the tweet could have been a bit more well informed as a lot of fans only see the headline. The actual reasoning makes sense but that wont matter now as the fuck up of the last 12 months has put us all on the back foot and questioning everything they do


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:52:01
I get cancelling it if something has materially changed but saying it’s cancelled because Clem can’t attend in person when he was never going to be there in the first place is just bizarre. Why book it on the 17th in the first place and why has it taken until 2 days before to cancel it? Why can’t he just attend the 1st of the 2 that are required next season rather than incurring additional suspicion and angst by cancelling?

Can the club not see how bad the optics of this look? I guess we just have to accept that those running the club are naive/incompetent/other (delete as appropriate) and clusterfucks are going to be a regular occurrence until a time comes when more appropriate and experienced people occupy key positions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 10:55:20
The actual reasoning makes sense
Does it? When is Clem over, for the window?

Agree totally with the rest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:02:36
Same as Batch, I agree with DMC post but not sure on the reasoning making sense part

From the perspective that Clem will be there in person, yes it makes sense,  but clem was always down to be at the forum via a video call. Changing that 2 days before is just bizarre, but textbook from this regimes methods.

Does it make more sense in that Flynn won't have to be there to take/listen to questions on Zav Austin, Karachi, MOUs, Fit and proper persons test, Kiely, Hart etc etc - makes sense for the regime - yes, everybody else - no.

Dunno about everyone else but Flynn being there/not being there doesn't really bother me? He's the football man can't exactly ask him/tell him to set up in a certain way against Harrogate away next season  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Like I said earlier, not end of world but more a case of club brushing what they can under carpet for now and setting new date in summer for when club has signed a few players and mood is better.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:15:30
Just puts further unnecessary pressure on the club. Should’ve went ahead with it as scheduled, took their medicine (which realistically would have been a couple of pressing questions, asked amongst the usual catering, ticketing etc questions) and move on. Instead, they now risk a poor summer of recruitment which will just add to the anger at the next Fans Forum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:20:27
I was only thinking this morning that they would probably have got a much easier ride than they would have got, because of the removal of Sandro/Morris and the quick addition of Flynn.

They really need to get some independent people on to the AB to open their eyes, as I worry they have far too many yes men and people pushing their own agenda at the moment. Which makes them blind to certain things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:33:36
I wonder if by cancelling the forum, the club have bought themselves time to have in place some really exciting and positive news to give the fans when they finally convene?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:36:45
More own goals than Carragher this lot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:39:42
Does it? When is Clem over, for the window?

Agree totally with the rest.
They have also said because of Flynn as well though. It makes sense to me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 11:47:33
They have also said because of Flynn as well though. It makes sense to me

Should it have gone ahead, probably yes, but you know as well as I do that it it had gone ahead with Clem dialling in there would be loads of comment after the event that it was a #shambles that he wasn't there in person and it was dodging questions.

They are not helping themselves at the moment, but I suspect that's not helped by them also realising that whatever is said it will be spun negatively to suit certain adopted narratives bv some of the fan base.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 12:11:34
Most of all our meetings are conducted via Teams or Zoom these days... so this is not a worthwhile reason. Possibly an excuse.
This planned meeting should have gone ahead.
If Clen Morfuni was still trying to buy the club or a need for extra votes to purchase the County Ground this mètung would have taken place
Come Clem show your commitment whether you are in Perth or Sydney you need to show up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 12:51:26
More own goals than Carragher this lot.

Feels more Phil Babb to me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 15, 2023, 12:52:45
Did I see somewhere on here 'proper answers' on certain subjects were being promised. Maybe that is why. Not able to give them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 15, 2023, 12:54:15
Feels more Phil Babb to me.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PotableNarrowBlackfly-max-1mb.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 13:55:04
Most of all our meetings are conducted via Teams or Zoom these days... so this is not a worthwhile reason. Possibly an excuse.
This planned meeting should have gone ahead.
If Clen Morfuni was still trying to buy the club or a need for extra votes to purchase the County Ground this mètung would have taken place
Come Clem show your commitment whether you are in Perth or Sydney you need to show up

At a risk of sounding all happy clapper(think i have been very critical this year) it is this type of comment that really gets on my tits. Show your commitment is a bit out of order, he is doing that buy plugging the gaps financially and being away from his family 4 times a year. Also you are taking the one zoom comment and ignoring the fact they have said they want the manager there too


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 14:01:52
At a risk of sounding all happy clapper(think i have been very critical this year) it is this type of comment that really gets on my tits. Show your commitment is a bit out of order, he is doing that buy plugging the gaps financially and being away from his family 4 times a year. Also you are taking the one zoom comment and ignoring the fact they have said they want the manager there too

Where's Flynn the lazy b*stard


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 14:03:28
why bother mentioning Clem at all then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 15, 2023, 14:26:35
Of all the things to be irritated by when it comes to STFC right now, this one is right at the bottom of the list.   Will be about as much use as chocolate tea pot anyway.  Adding Flynn to the ranks mean it will likely just turn into a bit of a Q&A with him after a few questions are answered on whether or not the club can hand out free blankets in the Arkells.  The answer, as some will now be disappointed by the delay, is "the club will take that away and look into the feasibility", rather than the obvious answer that should be presented of "fuck off, what a stupid question".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 14:44:14
Of all the things to be irritated by when it comes to STFC right now, this one is right at the bottom of the list.   Will be about as much use as chocolate tea pot anyway.  

This, much the same as when some were getting their kecks in a twist about the delay in the 5-10-100 year 'plans' whatever is said will just be some generic shite about promotion, sustainability, developing talent etc, and that's not a dig at the #shambles, any forward plan/public consultation is peppered with such stuff, its not like they are going to confirm that ambition for 2022-23 is to avoid relegation or that Austin actually owns the club and is using it to flog dodgy visa's or any other of the theories which are abounding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 15, 2023, 15:04:50
Of all the things to be irritated by when it comes to STFC right now, this one is right at the bottom of the list.   Will be about as much use as chocolate tea pot anyway.  Adding Flynn to the ranks mean it will likely just turn into a bit of a Q&A with him after a few questions are answered on whether or not the club can hand out free blankets in the Arkells.  The answer, as some will now be disappointed by the delay, is "the club will take that away and look into the feasibility", rather than the obvious answer that should be presented of "fuck off, what a stupid question".

is that a blanket statement?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Monday, May 15, 2023, 15:43:11
Huge disappointment they have cancelled this, it would have been the opportunity for fans to ask questions them to be answered and everyone can then move on to the stadium redevelopment and football news looking towards next season.

Now with this cancelled the questions will continue to be asked and there will be that air of negativity still floating around regardless of what is happening pre season.

I'm sure Clem realised what the time was going to be - and wasn't it commented when it was arranged that it would be slightly later (8pm) to accommodate Clem being able to join via Zoom ?

Another PR screw up, they seem to keep coming.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:01:01
why bother mentioning Clem at all then?
Because it's clearly part of the issue and the reason they have changed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:05:56
Because it's clearly part of the issue and the reason they have changed.

He clearly was part of the issue from the 3rd of May when they announced it too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:09:30
 :pint:DMC
Pleased you reacted to my post. Exactly, if Morfuni has invested his small fortune in the club I am sure he would have made himself available for this meeting.
Again, the cancelation has raised many more questions.
Great opportunity lost and another own goal scored by STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:14:03
OK mate you are clearly being argumentative for the sake of it as you keep missing out the Flynn part. It is shit but it's a fair enough reason whether you agree or not (shock). None of us know why a middle of the night time difference is an issue , he could have initially been in New York or had to change plans it just gets shit when absolutely everything gets slaughtered when there are for more pressing things that the club have been fucking up for 12 months  than rescheduling a fans forum


It's relentless our fanbase. I actually wish he would sell the club and we get the sugar daddy that we all obviously crave


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:17:15
:pint:DMC
Pleased you reacted to my post. Exactly, if Morfuni has invested his small fortune in the club I am sure he would have made himself available for this meeting.
Again, the cancelation has raised many more questions.
Great opportunity lost and another own goal scored by STFC.

He spent 4 months here earlier this year and has been on these zoom meetings time after time and does the same for the AB minutes. The first time he doesn't he isn't committed

Can't disagree it's another opportunity lost moment though and not what the club needed whatsoever and i have said the same earlier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:21:57
I do hope it's not a personal problem that's stopping Clem from attending the meeting


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:22:43
The questions can wait

Would prefer one now, one in September.. On it's own it's just annoying. In the context of the season is another club cock up and leaves you wondering if anybody has a clue what they are doing

In any case maybe the AB minutes cover some areas in depth anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:23:15
Limited sympathy- they know the score and know they have to do 2 a season. Could of arranged it during the 4 months he was here and this wouldnt be an issue now.

Just another sign of a disorganised, misfiring business. Imagine this is yet another instance where a full time club secretary would have help with coordinating properly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:41:26
I sèe what I see
Hear what I hear
But for some strange reason I feel things differently 🤔
Wish I didn't but seems there are some hard hitting questions that don't get answers . 😕


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:50:02
Limited sympathy- they know the score and know they have to do 2 a season. Could of arranged it during the 4 months he was here and this wouldnt be an issue now.

Just another sign of a disorganised, misfiring business. Imagine this is yet another instance where a full time club secretary would have help with coordinating properly.
100 percent this mate. The sooner these guys are able to stick to one role the better. Juggling so many different roles isn't helping anyone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 17:06:36
Just our of interest,  who was actually planning to attend and ask questions?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 15, 2023, 17:22:21
Herr Flick


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 17:33:34
Just our of interest,  who was actually planning to attend and ask questions?

Me (obvs)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 15, 2023, 18:05:22
100 percent this mate. The sooner these guys are able to stick to one role the better. Juggling so many different roles isn't helping anyone


Greg Norman was doing 3 jobs/job roles. If rumours are true that he’s resigned you’d probably guess that’s got something to do with it (no idea on those rumours btw).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 15, 2023, 18:06:03
Me (obvs)

Me also.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, May 15, 2023, 18:18:58
Yes, and rearranged my working week around it Inc. train ticket from Paddington at peak time to get back in time- a pretty penny!


It's a good job the AB is doing such a thorough job of holding the club to account in the meantime, we can rest easy with our water tight, proven football leadership structure.  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 15, 2023, 20:13:01
Oh for the days of players not getting paid, players being sold and not knowing where the money had gone and interviews in the car park (Look Shaaawn).

I get that some are frustrated, and the backroom stuff has been beyond poor, but if the worse we get this off season is a cancelled fans phone in, it's not really that big a deal is it..  The last 2 off seasons we had no managers, no coaching staff and no players.  Now this shit show of a season is over and Morris is gone, it seems that we are desperate to have something to moan about, so have moved on to everything in the back office.

My recommendation is to enjoy the first relative calm that we have had for over 2 years, have a couple of beers and watch the F1/Cricket/Naked attraction/whatever floats your boats..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 15, 2023, 20:19:19
Oh for the days of players not getting paid, players being sold and not knowing where the money had gone and interviews in the car park (Look Shaaawn).

I get that some are frustrated, and the backroom stuff has been beyond poor, but if the worse we get this off season is a cancelled fans phone in, it's not really that big a deal is it..  The last 2 off seasons we had no managers, no coaching staff and no players.  Now this shit show of a season is over and Morris is gone, it seems that we are desperate to have something to moan about, so have moved on to everything in the back office.

My recommendation is to enjoy the first relative calm that we have had for over 2 years, have a couple of beers and watch the F1/Cricket/Naked attraction/whatever floats your boats..

Don’t start trying to use logic & reasoning


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Monday, May 15, 2023, 20:22:12
[quote :D author=Berniman link=topic=58890.msg1739609#msg1739609 date=1684181581]
Oh for the days of players not getting paid, players being sold and not knowing where the money had gone and interviews in the car park (Look Shaaawn).

I get that some are frustrated, and the backroom stuff has been beyond poor, but if the worse we get this off season is a cancelled fans phone in, it's not really that big a deal is it..  The last 2 off seasons we had no managers, no coaching staff and no players.  Now this shit show of a season is over and Morris is gone, it seems that we are desperate to have something to moan about, so have moved on to everything in the back office.

My recommendation is to enjoy the first relative calm that we have had for over 2 years, have a couple of beers and watch the F1/Cricket/Naked attraction/whatever floats your boats..
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Amen to that. New series of Waterloo road starts tomorrow


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 15, 2023, 20:51:34

Amen to that. New series of Waterloo road starts tomorrow

I'll tell you what boils my piss now that Morris has gone...  people not being able to quote properly :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 21:01:44
Phone in?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 15, 2023, 21:15:27
Zoom in..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 21:19:22
Ah, sounded like you thought it was all 'Brian from larkhill' and hodgetts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 07:42:49
i dont understand the mindset that things have been worse in the past therefore we should just be grateful for what we have.

loser mindset. i want my club to be the best version of itself on and off the pitch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 07:57:07
i dont understand the mindset that things have been worse in the past therefore we should just be grateful for what we have.

loser mindset. i want my club to be the best version of itself on and off the pitch.

Context is key though.
People have been clamouring for the Lee Power days because we won promotion out this division (…and went straight back down)

We can criticise the way the clubs run now, sure but let’s not re-write history and pretend Lee Power wasn’t a crook who would have bankrupt the club eventually.

All it does is further illustrate the point that if the results are good fans will blindly overlook everything else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 07:58:19
i dont understand the mindset that things have been worse in the past therefore we should just be grateful for what we have.

loser mindset. i want my club to be the best version of itself on and off the pitch.

Where did I say we should be grateful for what we have? what I said is people should just take the time to relax for a while, recharge and reset your brains a bit, instead of getting upset and angsty at every noise that happens, use a bit of perspective, and realise that not absolutely everything that happens warrants a full on strop - there will be plenty of time later in the Summer, and once the season starts again to do that.

If wanting a few weeks break from discussions on Money laundering, Karachi and club communication own goals is a loser mindset, then so be it..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 08:01:15
I think people go straight to 11 sometimes Bern.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 09:48:03
Where did I say we should be grateful for what we have? what I said is people should just take the time to relax for a while, recharge and reset your brains a bit, instead of getting upset and angsty at every noise that happens, use a bit of perspective, and realise that not absolutely everything that happens warrants a full on strop - there will be plenty of time later in the Summer, and once the season starts again to do that.

If wanting a few weeks break from discussions on Money laundering, Karachi and club communication own goals is a loser mindset, then so be it..

It’s draining and it’s shit that we’re even talking about issues like money laundering, Karachi projects and poor comms from club after Lee Power has handed over the reigns. But I don’t think for one second people should stop talking about it, if anything keep it up, gets more people talking about it and ultimately you’d hope it results in the answers to the questions.

Anyone who wants anything to do with LP back is a wrongun imo - absolute crook who ran club into ground, used every other man and his dogs money it seemed and sabotaged the fuck out of the last season.

As for CFO who was mentioned a while back on this thread and recently again by myself RE him doing 3 job roles- I’m fairly sure he’s resigned from his post. Knowing the way this club has a turnover in staff- you can probably say he won’t be alone. Rob Angus straight to CFO makes complete sense. Then get actual football men in to do the DOF and CEO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 09:55:35
It’s draining and it’s shit that we’re even talking about issues like money laundering, Karachi projects and poor comms from club after Lee Power has handed over the reigns. But I don’t think for one second people should stop talking about it, if anything keep it up, gets more people talking about it and ultimately you’d hope it results in the answers to the questions.

Anyone who wants anything to do with LP back is a wrongun imo - absolute crook who ran club into ground, used every other man and his dogs money it seemed and sabotaged the fuck out of the last season.

As for CFO who was mentioned a while back on this thread and recently again by myself RE him doing 3 job roles- I’m fairly sure he’s resigned from his post. Knowing the way this club has a turnover in staff- you can probably say he won’t be alone. Rob Angus straight to CFO makes complete sense. Then get actual football men in to do the DOF and CEO.

I've heard similar. Potentially it leaves us without a CFO, head of media, club secretary, stadium manager, head of retail and head of ticketing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: hammondt1 on Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 14:42:25
Can't the club claim they have fulfilled their quota of public meetings due to a number of appearances on OSC earlier in the season?

I agree with a few others who have said we need a bit of calm. This season on and off the pitch was a shit show. By the looks of it, they have learned from last seasons mistakes with SDM and Flynn will be in total charge. Now they need to employ suitable people for the operational running of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 21:32:47
I was talking to a friend today and before I begin, this definitely isn’t a rosey eyed look at the Power days.

It’s pretty obvious that any competent football people experienced in running a club would have been fairly alarmed coming in and seeing how the club was structured and being run in the Power days.

It’s been 2 years of the new regime so where do you think we sit now? We’ve definitely improved in some areas, clearing debts well and the stadium purchase but I still feel that a competent, experienced football person would come in and be alarmed at how certain areas are running and how we’re setup, seems from the outside looking in as a bit of a mashup of some vital areas running well and others running abysmally.  



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 05:34:13
Clem Morfuni and Rob Angus simply aren't from a football business background and at the moment it seems clear that we lack people who know what they are doing behind the scenes at the club. There appears to be lots of vacancies at the moment, hopefully Clem is working hard behind the scenes to build a cohesive experienced football unit behind the scenes as well as letting Flynn and the recruitment team build a cohesive, competitive squad of players on the pitch.

Unfortunately, even after 2 years, we very much still look like a work in progress, and slow progress at that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 07:55:17
I watched some of the Championship play-offs this week and it's pretty amazing that the final is going to be between Luton and Coventry if you think back to the journeys both of the clubs have been on. Luton in particular dropping into non-league and then working their way back up and Coventry finally dropping out of the Premier league before bottoming out in league 2. They've had hideous off the field problems also, having to play seasons away from the Ricoh Arena. It's pretty amazing that both teams now have a shot at the big time.

Which just shows what CAN be done. Brentford and Brighton also were at our level about the same time. If we can get our shit in gear there is really no reason why we can't be chasing the same dream in 10 years. At the moment we're miles off, but it can change very quickly in football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 08:08:34
I've kind of lost track of both of them and what investment they've had.

Coventry rid themselves from SISU (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/coventry-takeover-sisu-doug-king-b2270872.html) but had King invested a lot?

Luton ??

Just trying to work out whether they could have (or have) done it under similar conditions as we are in.

Obviously the point is that it can be done, but whether that's under Clem or not is another question. That's OK. Aim 1 - stabilise financial, aim 2 - get into L1 and stay there. Then we'll see about the "next level"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 08:15:25
Luton and Coventry are the real fairlytale stories, not Wrexham.

Neither have spent big money, gives fans of lower league clubs a glimmer of hope that you can progress without a sugar daddy if you have smart people in charge.

Different strategies too, Luton more down to the model they have in place with Gary Sweet as CEO and Mick Harford cheif recruitment officer and Coventry pretty much all down to the job Mark Robins has done with the building basically burning down in the background.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cookie on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 09:12:00
Luton/Coventry punching well above their weight on wages.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fd0d18zXgAIZrLW?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

But have still benefited from hefty owner investment, which is probably indicative for Swindon if we want to get to the Championship with our current infrastructure.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWj6cgvX0AAODmd?format=jpg&name=small)

It's likely more nuanced of course.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 09:29:31
When you look at our current £6M turnover and that chart its a whole different world. Obviously some is made up by more revenue as you progress.

Not a criticism, it is what it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 09:36:45
When you look at our current £6M turnover and that chart its a whole different world. Obviously some is made up by more revenue as you progress.

Not a criticism, it is what it is.

Yup. An effective L1 outfit is probably our glass ceiling for now which I'd be delighted with!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 09:41:43
Well worth giving the last 10mins of the LS Pod 'season review' a listen.

I've been thinking for a while that Clem might be setting things up to sell and funny to hear Rich wondering aloud if that might be the case too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:02:25
Well worth giving the last 10mins of the LS Pod 'season review' a listen.

I've been thinking for a while that Clem might be setting things up to sell and funny to hear Rich wondering aloud if that might be the case too.

He doesn't get anywhere near the £6m he's put in back as it stands.

Think with old Clemente reality has just hit about how expensive it is to run a football club, and how much more investment he or the real owners will have to put in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:08:38
When you look at our current £6M turnover and that chart its a whole different world. Obviously some is made up by more revenue as you progress.

Not a criticism, it is what it is.

Based on FPP rules (wages can't exceed 55% of turnover), we cannot exceed 3.3 million in wage budget, but according to DOB, our budget was 1.6 million last season. Surely we can push that boat out a little further?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:08:58
Well worth giving the last 10mins of the LS Pod 'season review' a listen.

I've been thinking for a while that Clem might be setting things up to sell and funny to hear Rich wondering aloud if that might be the case too.
There was a very random Facebook group post last month out of the blue asking are we being sold to the owner of StarSports betting, so may be smoke and fire.

The loosest of links I'm holding out for is hoping the sole reason for Marc Bircham being interviewed back in January is because Como's rich owners Djarum are eyeing up the club and fancy a similar fairytale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:10:09
From what I’ve heard the Eady money was conditional on the debentures being cleared, so a significant extra cost for Clem which wasn’t really budgeted for, add to that the current economic situation so as a businessman he must be looking at his options.

Whether that’s getting additional investment, finding more income or looking to move on only he knows



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:17:55
From what I’ve heard the Eady money was conditional on the debentures being cleared, so a significant extra cost for Clem which wasn’t really budgeted for, add to that the current economic situation so as a businessman he must be looking at his options.

Whether that’s getting additional investment, finding more income or looking to move on only he knows
Absolutely this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 10:32:50
From what I’ve heard the Eady money was conditional on the debentures being cleared, so a significant extra cost for Clem which wasn’t really budgeted for, add to that the current economic situation so as a businessman he must be looking at his options.

Whether that’s getting additional investment, finding more income or looking to move on only he knows



Makes perfect sense as they would not want the investment to be at risk of being affected by the calling in of existing debts, I suspect also the reason why Clem has been knocking off the debts generally.

Also rather contradicts the idea from some that Clem got some sort of freebie in buying the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 11:55:19
When you look at our current £6M turnover and that chart its a whole different world. Obviously some is made up by more revenue as you progress.

Not a criticism, it is what it is.

I had a look at Luton's financial report for 21/22 and their Revenue without EFL money is pretty much on a park with ours for the same period - around 6m.  They received nearly 11m in EFL money, mostly due to the TV deals in place.  They have a lower capacity at Kenilworth Rd, but you'd imagine they have the opportunity to make a bit more in Commercial revenues for sponsorship due to the league they are in.

They took a loss of 6m, but some of that was tricky to determine as it related to intercompany dealings and their Directors were paid nearly a million.  The previous year their loss was a little over 1m.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 18:50:23
Interesting speculation on the LS pod that we may just be clearing the decks in preparation for a sale of the club. I’m looking forward to the ITK posters telling us more… can we have a Hollywood actor or oil baron please?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 18:56:48
Interesting speculation on the LS pod that we may just be clearing the decks in preparation for a sale of the club. I’m looking forward to the ITK posters telling us more… can we have a Hollywood actor or oil baron please?

Anyone other than The Rock and I’m complaining incessantly


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 18:59:04
Latest on the JV

‘ The Business Plan should be produced 3 months before the start of the JV’s financial year (which runs from June 1st to May 31st) before being voted on by the Trust membership.
 
As we only completed the purchase of the County Ground at the end of March and are still working on our future vision for the stadium, it’s not yet possible to produce a full Business Plan for the year ahead. However, there are essential works around the stadium which are required before the new season gets underway.
 
Therefore, we are proposing that for this year only, the Business Plan will be split into two separate plans. The Board will develop and agree a three month Business Plan to cover the period from 1st June to 31st August focusing on short term essential works. This plan will be circulated to all voting members and you’ll be asked to approve its implementation.
 
We will then start working on the Business Plan to cover the remainder of the JV’s financial year, based on the survey feedback received, which we’ll ask you to vote on separately.
 
Although it’s not quite what we envisaged when we signed the JV agreement, I’m sure you’ll agree that this is a sensible short term measure to ensure that the County Ground is ready to welcome us all back to what we hope will be a fantastic season!’


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 19:16:44
Interesting speculation on the LS pod that we may just be clearing the decks in preparation for a sale of the club. I’m looking forward to the ITK posters telling us more… can we have a Hollywood actor or oil baron please?
Unless he is short of cash and needs to get some money in sharpish I cannot see sny reason whatsoever that Clem would have for selling up now....

Unless he is aware of something very shitty incoming which could fuck up the limited value of the club even more....


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 19:20:32
Unless he is short of cash and needs to get some money in sharpish I cannot see sny reason whatsoever that Clem would have for selling up now....

Unless he is aware of something very shitty incoming which could fuck up the limited value of the club even more....
Agree, i think the end game will be leave us on a sound finacial footing in a higher league with ground redevelopement achieved or at last with planning


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 19:24:37
Interesting speculation on the LS pod that we may just be clearing the decks in preparation for a sale of the club. I’m looking forward to the ITK posters telling us more… can we have a Hollywood actor or oil baron please?

Now it is interesting you say that… I’m NOT ITK by any stretch of anyone’s wild imagination but I was having this convo the other day with someone else who is also NOT ITK. Nor do we frequent this LS pod either.

I am extremely grateful to Clem for rescuing the club from Pee Lower, however, the circumstances leading up to the rescue of the club need looking at. It has to be remembered that Mr. Morfuni’s 10% buy-in was with as of at the time at worst a ‘trusted’ business acquaintance and at best a ‘bezzie’ partner ‘in crime’ so to speak. Introduced by a certain Mr. Austin, he of a dubious past. Mr.Morfuni’s intent I assume was to make a nice return on a club he’d probably not heard of alongside Harrow Borough who were the beneficiary of some ‘sponsorship’ money which we are led to believe kickstarted his interest in getting involved with a larger club in a bigger way.

Nothing wrong in that TBF, perfectly legitimate business opportunity, except it happened to be with someone who turned out to be a bit of a shark. This shark hadn’t bargained on his antipodean investor being a bigger shark (in a positive way so far) in what suddenly became a fucking very small pond thanks to covid. So from suddenly being a bit part investor in a lowly fourth division club with seemingly not even a pot to piss in he then by default becomes the bone fide 100% owner. So why invest in the first place? Potential freehold opportunity perhaps? A certain Nigel’s legacy (if we could only get our hands on it) perhaps? Untapped potential with minimal downside? Massive upside to develop the ground using Nigel’s Legacy (if we only we could get our hands on it)? You could develop the ground Clem me old cock Sparra. Pee Lower obviously spun digger a fucking good story at some point to some degree, after all a man in charge of a poxy plumbing bizzo from down under turning over $Aus200m didn’t get that sat on his arse did he? Oh no, he worked his arse off, took chances, saw opportunities etc. well fuck me sideways here’s one staring him in the face.

Like I hope I’ve alluded to, Clem isn’t here by accident. Maybe he’s now seen what a huge undertaking it’s going to be. So if, and it is a big if he’s looking to sell, in part or lock stock and barrel then good luck to him I hope he gets a decent return for his troubles and sells us to someone who will have the club and it’s fans at heart and do the right thing.

As I started out I’m not ITK but the op just happened to be a coincidence to a convo the other day.

I will always be grateful for his time effort and money to save from that cunt and extinction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 20:22:38
He doesn't get anywhere near the £6m he's put in back as it stands.

Think with old Clemente reality has just hit about how expensive it is to run a football club, and how much more investment he or the real owners will have to put in.

Has clem really invested 6 mill!? I thought he got the club cheap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 20:32:18
Bought from Power for £215,000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 20:53:39
Has clem really invested 6 mill!? I thought he got the club cheap.

Technically he has invested very little, he has loaned the business a lot of money.  I appreciate that is a very soft loan and he would not have any great rights to recover that in the event of any type of liquidation, but should he ever sell the business, a new owner would owe him all that money.

The business is quite clearly more valuable than it has been in a long time.  We now have a long term lease on a part owned asset and have reverted some secured debts to soft Directors Loans.  We have also returned the business to a close to break even operating position.  It's not worth a small fortune, but it's, without doubt, in the best shape since Black had control (not the bit where he wanted a fire sale), if not well before then (probably 1993, in real terms).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 23:53:03
Technically he has invested very little, he has loaned the business a lot of money.  I appreciate that is a very soft loan and he would not have any great rights to recover that in the event of any type of liquidation, but should he ever sell the business, a new owner would owe him all that money.

The business is quite clearly more valuable than it has been in a long time.  We now have a long term lease on a part owned asset and have reverted some secured debts to soft Directors Loans.  We have also returned the business to a close to break even operating position.  It's not worth a small fortune, but it's, without doubt, in the best shape since Black had control (not the bit where he wanted a fire sale), if not well before then (probably 1993, in real terms).

Thing that bugs me is, why would anyone want to buy a club for good money that comes with £6m of debt or whatever we're up to at the moment?

That's where you just get tin pot chances like Jed McCory coming out of the woodwork. I can't see anyone who could possibly have the clubs best interests at heart doing that.

Very best I could imagine hoping for would be a £1 purchase and then paying off the debts over a period of time (actually paying them off, not loaning the club money)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 19, 2023, 04:57:52
Thing that bugs me is, why would anyone want to buy a club for good money that comes with £6m of debt or whatever we're up to at the moment?

That's where you just get tin pot chances like Jed McCory coming out of the woodwork. I can't see anyone who could possibly have the clubs best interests at heart doing that.

Very best I could imagine hoping for would be a £1 purchase and then paying off the debts over a period of time (actually paying them off, not loaning the club money)
A directors loan is a perfectly normal way to fund any business, if Clem had put equity in instead it would make no difference to the price a buyer would pay for the business.   This one is interest free so a very friendly loan compared to Wrexhams 8% or the one Lee Power had.

In addition It's not a normal business.   It's a football club so regardless of the state of the balance sheet people will buy it.

Their will be some that look at, Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth, Luton, Coventry etc and see a massive opportunity to repeat that with a club with a higher average gate than any of those clubs when they were at the same level, and make a bucket load.   

There will be others who may have an emotional attachment to the club, which makes you make irrational business decisions, and others that just want a play thing.

Oh and chancers and crooks of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, May 19, 2023, 12:47:05
Would the club not be worth more to someone wanting to sell if it had a redeveloped stadium and was a steady L1 club - although the money to redevelop said stadium has to come from somewhere


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 19, 2023, 12:48:49
Would the club not be worth more to someone wanting to sell if it had a redeveloped stadium and was a steady L1 club - although the money to redevelop said stadium has to come from somewhere

Yep, hence why I fear if as many are suggesting Clem is trying to sell now its for negative reasons either for him personally or for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, May 19, 2023, 12:57:25
Yep, hence why I fear if as many are suggesting Clem is trying to sell now its for negative reasons either for him personally or for the club.
He isn't trying to sell it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, May 19, 2023, 13:02:40
Yep, hence why I fear if as many are suggesting Clem is trying to sell now its for negative reasons either for him personally or for the club.
Can definitely confirm Clem is in this for the long haul and not trying to sell the club..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 19, 2023, 17:23:10
Would the club not be worth more to someone wanting to sell if it had a redeveloped stadium and was a steady L1 club - although the money to redevelop said stadium has to come from somewhere

Would have been worth a lot more to Andrew Black if he held on six months and we were in Chanpionship too, but he cut his nose off as he'd had enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, May 19, 2023, 17:52:04
Would have been worth a lot more to Andrew Black if he held on six months and we were in Chanpionship too, but he cut his nose off as he'd had enough.

Will never understand that decision. Yep lots of money was being spent but from a financial reclamation point of view, Town were as good as going up. To pull the plug halfway through a very successful season was very odd. He could easily have cut and run at the season's end, recouped much more back, left the club on a decent division and definitely attracted buyers with proper wealth. Instead we got the Roar of McRoary and the entrepreneurial nous of Steve Murrall...

//sighs in sombre 'wise men say' vibes\\

It's been done a death though. Can't believe that is over ten years ago now. It's eight EIGHT years since a cried as a grown man [recently out of a long term relationship so I was a mess] at the Wembley deterioration and absolute spanking versus Preston  :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 19, 2023, 18:57:12
Will never understand that decision. Yep lots of money was being spent but from a financial reclamation point of view, Town were as good as going up. To pull the plug halfway through a very successful season was very odd. He could easily have cut and run at the season's end, recouped much more back, left the club on a decent division and definitely attracted buyers with proper wealth. Instead we got the Roar of McRoary and the entrepreneurial nous of Steve Murrall...

//sighs in sombre 'wise men say' vibes\\

It's been done a death though. Can't believe that is over ten years ago now. It's eight EIGHT years since a cried as a grown man [recently out of a long term relationship so I was a mess] at the Wembley deterioration and absolute spanking versus Preston  :(

You are missing some very important factors that were likely driving Black.

A quick sale under pressure to complete would mean a significantly less challenging period of Due Diligence by any prospective buyer.  This was not about making a "profit" from any sale, but instead about  stopping the cashflow outwards from his bank balance (even a club in a higher division is going to have some challenges selling when it becomes evident they've created an entirely unsustainable business thanks to massive over spending).

That quick sale not only stopped the cash burn, it also banked a Loss that likely worked out well for the tax period.

I'd wager, pardon the pun, that the buyer was precisely the sort of person/people Black was hoping for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 19, 2023, 19:03:03
You are missing some very important factors that were likely driving Black.

A quick sale under pressure to complete would mean a significantly less challenging period of Due Diligence by any prospective buyer.  This was not about making a "profit" from any sale, but instead about  stopping the cashflow outwards from his bank balance (even a club in a higher division is going to have some challenges selling when it becomes evident they've created an entirely unsustainable business thanks to massive over spending).

That quick sale not only stopped the cash burn, it also banked a Loss that likely worked out well for the tax period.

I'd wager, pardon the pun, that the buyer was precisely the sort of person/people Black was hoping for.

Why would that be?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 19, 2023, 19:07:31
Because it got competed quickly and without questions - the wage bill was a mess.  His gesture of writing off a chunk of the debt owed to him shows it was desire to just get the fuck out of dodge as quickly as humanly possible.  Anyone with an ounce of acumen would have taken a bit of a look around the books and thought, hang on a second, I'm going to get rinsed here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 19, 2023, 19:15:18
Because it got competed quickly and without questions - the wage bill was a mess.  His gesture of writing off a chunk of the debt owed to him shows it was desire to just get the fuck out of dodge as quickly as humanly possible.  Anyone with an ounce of acumen would have taken a bit of a look around the books and thought, hang on a second, I'm going to get rinsed here.

I get that but someone reputable 'in the market' for a football club at that time (if such a person exists!) might have taken the view that there was a shitshow of a wage bill for 6 months but also a pretty solid chance of advancing to the Championship.

I don't think Black was vindictive, and I took your wording to mean "he wanted a shyster to buy the club" which felt a tad unfair!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 19, 2023, 19:28:15
I get that but someone reputable 'in the market' for a football club at that time (if such a person exists!) might have taken the view that there was a shitshow of a wage bill for 6 months but also a pretty solid chance of advancing to the Championship.

I don't think Black was vindictive, and I took your wording to mean "he wanted a shyster to buy the club" which felt a tad unfair!

No assets…. Club value? Fuck all. Players value only.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 19, 2023, 19:30:20
I get that but someone reputable 'in the market' for a football club at that time (if such a person exists!) might have taken the view that there was a shitshow of a wage bill for 6 months but also a pretty solid chance of advancing to the Championship.

I don't think Black was vindictive, and I took your wording to mean "he wanted a shyster to buy the club" which felt a tad unfair!

No, I meant he wanted a very quick completion, not a sale that took several months to get over the line.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 19, 2023, 19:33:40
No assets…. Club value? Fuck all. Players value only.

Nigel Eady passed away in Jan 2012 and had been speaking with Fitton et al for a couple of years before that about his legacy so that was in the offing...



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 19, 2023, 20:13:19
Nigel Eady passed away in Jan 2012 and had been speaking with Fitton et al for a couple of years before that about his legacy so that was in the offing...


Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. I’m sorry. Power probably talked to the executors of the Eady trust….


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, May 19, 2023, 20:16:49
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. I’m sorry. Power probably talked to the executors of the Eady trust….

He did and they had his number thankfully. I'm just saying that there was potentially more than zero value to the club to a prospective owner. I'm quite sure it was a factor in Clem's efforts to secure the ownership too.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 19, 2023, 20:18:42
No, I meant he wanted a very quick completion, not a sale that took several months to get over the line.
Plus a sale to someone whose interests were only ever in the short term ego trip of being owner and whatever could be bled short term and thus wouldn't much care about the sodding great debentures attached to the club at the sale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 19, 2023, 20:28:53
The mental thing is that Black hired that diplomat to come in and find the right buyer.....and he somehow found Jed.

I dread to think what he is like at his day job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Uncletrunx on Friday, May 19, 2023, 20:32:24
Was he also the diplomat who sent the whole fanbase into a panic by mentioning administration when it wasn't really on the cards?

If that's how we're talking to the heads of other nations, it's no wonder the world's in the state it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 19, 2023, 20:51:43
This is him

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/21188916


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, May 19, 2023, 22:46:34
You are missing some very important factors that were likely driving Black.

A quick sale under pressure to complete would mean a significantly less challenging period of Due Diligence by any prospective buyer.  This was not about making a "profit" from any sale, but instead about  stopping the cashflow outwards from his bank balance (even a club in a higher division is going to have some challenges selling when it becomes evident they've created an entirely unsustainable business thanks to massive over spending).

That quick sale not only stopped the cash burn, it also banked a Loss that likely worked out well for the tax period.

I'd wager, pardon the pun, that the buyer was precisely the sort of person/people Black was hoping for.

Oh I understand the part of a 'no questions asked' element but a decentish business person would likely have seen through the excessive wage bill problem and looked at workarounds for the debentures. They would have seen the possibility for redeveloping the ground. STFC has always had skeletons in proverbial closets [like most clubs] AND Black most definitely could have still got out of dodge relatively quickly. I'm sure the likes of Sir Martyn Arbib and co could have waited a few more months. I know that from their POV that is moot but for us and STFC [and probably PdC tbh], it really was the worst possible timing for them/us.

Make no mistake, I know why but it still irks me.

NB: Let's add the the fact that most people who buy football clubs are much like people who buy boats - in most cases they will never get their ROI, generally have to continue pumping money in and either don't care because their wealth makes this a plaything/projects/ego trip or they will use the asset/club to make money via other channels/streams. If we look at the 92 Pro League clubs, there aren't particularly many that are in any real form of profit. Yet most are either in some form of debt directly or soft debt via a generous owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, May 19, 2023, 22:59:32
Thinking about it [recent and possibly current owners], and the more I do, it feels to me like it's The Eady Trust who should be more associated with the tag of ''saving are club''. If they were much softer in allowing funds to be accessed then we all know what could have happened to that estate and potentially to Town too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 07:46:11
Listening to the latest Price of Football podcast, Jed's name came up twice, linked with the shenanigans of the outgoing owner of Yeovil, and a second club, West Brom I think it was... We were lucky to escape their sticky little mitts, but was a 'out of the frying pan...' with Power, I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 08:02:06
The mental thing is that Black hired that diplomat to come in and find the right buyer.....and he somehow found Jed.

I dread to think what he is like at his day job.

Like hiring Fred West to lay your patio.

We have had shite owners that feels like eternity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cheltred on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 08:04:43
Listening to the latest Price of Football podcast, Jed's name came up twice, linked with the shenanigans of the outgoing owner of Yeovil, and a second club, West Brom I think it was... We were lucky to escape their sticky little mitts, but was a 'out of the frying pan...' with Power, I guess.
I didn't know Jed was involved at Yeovil! Their fans were certainly glad to see the back of the last owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 08:06:59
The host has been alluding to things he couldn't say publicly for a while now, as the deal has gone through now he said that some people had seen paperwork indicating there was a deal in place for the stadium to be sold and plans for a hotel, housing and other bits and bobs in place for Huish Park.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 08:17:47
Can definitely confirm Clem is in this for the long haul and not trying to sell the club..

I’d optimistically hoped the exodus of staff was strategic, rather than a case of…. an unplanned exodus of staff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 17:03:57
Will the proposed government changes to visas for student’s families have an impact on Zav’s Pakistan ‘jaunt’.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 17:32:51
Will the proposed government changes to visas for student’s families have an impact on Zav’s Pakistan ‘jaunt’.
That rather depends on whether that is actually the nefarious function of said 'jaunt', it seems to be a speculation that has become 'fact'?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 17:42:44
Will the proposed government changes to visas for student’s families have an impact on Zav’s Pakistan ‘jaunt’.

Not very clear from the news articles on it. They are talking about postgraduates.

Suspect it won't affect those younger coming over on a football scholarship




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 17:47:13
Just wondering if the definition of ‘student’ would cover any young fella that might come over from Karachi.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 17:54:36
Or Gal😆


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 22:16:05
Gadot? Yes please.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:55:05
Jody Morris has been on Sky this morning, spoke very briefly about Swindon. Mentioned in future jobs he'll ask more questions about what is going on behind the scenes and check who is actually running the club. Very vague and is probably trying to cover himself, but didn't sound brilliant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:57:35
Jody Morris has been on Sky this morning, spoke very briefly about Swindon. Mentioned in future jobs he'll ask more questions about what is going on behind the scenes and check who is actually running the club. Very vague and is probably trying to cover himself, but didn't sound brilliant.

I suspect if he’s looking for the perfect club he won’t find it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:12:52
Jody Morris has been on Sky this morning, spoke very briefly about Swindon. Mentioned in future jobs he'll ask more questions about what is going on behind the scenes and check who is actually running the club. Very vague and is probably trying to cover himself, but didn't sound brilliant.

The thing is, whilst Clem owns it he's not here most of the time so who is making the day to day decisions.

Was it Rob, Sandro, Zav or is there someone else?

TBF I don't think most of us really know.

As for Morris, he appeared to be a bit out of his depth so does have to deflect criticism


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:16:48
Jody Morris has been on Sky this morning, spoke very briefly about Swindon. Mentioned in future jobs he'll ask more questions about what is going on behind the scenes and check who is actually running the club. Very vague and is probably trying to cover himself, but didn't sound brilliant.

Wonder if he thought it was Sandro. It's a bit of an odd comment. I think he is trying to suggest he was sold a bit of a pup. Yesterday's chip paper now however.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:20:20
Jody Morris has been on Sky this morning, spoke very briefly about Swindon. Mentioned in future jobs he'll ask more questions about what is going on behind the scenes and check who is actually running the club. Very vague and is probably trying to cover himself, but didn't sound brilliant.

Agreed, not good but we are hardly Oldham with that crazy Chairman in charge are we.

Welcome to the lower league Jody....I would stick with what you know best, you are good at that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:21:57
Wonder if he thought it was Sandro. It's a bit of an odd comment. I think he is trying to suggest he was sold a bit of a pup. Yesterday's chip paper now however.
From what I heard he was not the manager wanted by Sandro, and Clem over ruled Sandro, so possibly something in that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:32:11
Jody who?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:39:35
Who was doing what behind the scenes wouldn't have prevented the winning of football matches.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 12:43:41
Who was doing what behind the scenes wouldn't have prevented the winning of football matches.

No, but its not ideal either is it. If he was told one thing by Clem and another happened.

Assume the dig was at Sandro, though he was off anyway so?

Like you say, results and man management* did it for him. Unless he was being forced to play a team and style he didn't want to he was master of his own destiny **

*imo
** though he didn't get a recruitment window.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 12:50:26
There was clearly friction between Sandro and Morris. I'm pretty sure a lot of the negative Morris stuff that came out was a smear campaign by Sandro to save his job.

But they're both gone now anyway. So fuck it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 14:00:55
Stretching the definition of interesting, but I thought it was quite interesting that the Club's new commercial partners document (https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1661703660655763457) talks about the ambition being to reach the Premier League.

Now obviously every football club has the ambition to reach the Premier League in the way that I have an ambition to make Jeff Bezos look like a pauper, but it's sort of nice to see on (digital) paper after the last year of all our ambitions being about player trading...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 14:32:01
Stretching the definition of interesting, but I thought it was quite interesting that the Club's new commercial partners document (https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1661703660655763457) talks about the ambition being to reach the Premier League.

Now obviously every football club has the ambition to reach the Premier League in the way that I have an ambition to make Jeff Bezos look like a pauper, but it's sort of nice to see on (digital) paper after the last year of all our ambitions being about player trading...

It is nice in a way but it would be more credible if it said the Championship... This feels a bit pie in the sky in an amateurish way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 14:39:43
Damned if they do, damned if they don't situation..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 18:01:56
Ah well, this should make Clem’s eyes water

Weekly wages for L1 clubs

 #swfc £184,070
#dcfc £151,220
#itfc £147.470
#pafc £101.480
#cafc £99,000
#BarnsleyFC £98,490
#Pompey £94,350
#bwfc £93.080
#pufc £92,560
#oufc £92,150
#COYD £87.490
#UTG £75,120
#ftfc £71.900


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 19:00:48
Ah well, this should make Clem’s eyes water

Weekly wages for L1 clubs

 #swfc £184,070
#dcfc £151,220
#itfc £147.470
#pafc £101.480
#cafc £99,000
#BarnsleyFC £98,490
#Pompey £94,350
#bwfc £93.080
#pufc £92,560
#oufc £92,150
#COYD £87.490
#UTG £75,120
#ftfc £71.900

Just playing staff...?

Based on a squad of 30 that SWFC averages at over £6k per week if so...!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 19:20:36
According to twitter that’s players wages


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 19:21:28
I thought Plymouth got promoted on a really small budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 19:25:52
They reckoned£3.9m. Those wages equate to £5m+


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 19:26:29
Exactly🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 25, 2023, 22:12:58
Just playing staff...?

Based on a squad of 30 that SWFC averages at over £6k per week if so...!

With 20,000 home gates… plus addition income and owner support. We’ve a lot of ground to make up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 27, 2023, 11:31:06
Here’s our supposed wages



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 28, 2023, 09:49:19
This is what the League Two table would look like if only goals scored or assisted by players aged 23 years old or younger counted.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 28, 2023, 13:28:30
This is what the League Two table would look like if only goals scored or assisted by players aged 23 years old or younger counted.



Jesus. We had a team of kids and still not top 3.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 28, 2023, 14:44:08
Jesus. We had a team of kids and still not top 3.

To be fair our two leading goal scorers and the two leading the assists are all over 23.
Just goes to show that perhaps a bit more experience is quite useful :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 28, 2023, 19:30:04
Just for Wobbly Bob



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 28, 2023, 19:31:21
That maps depressing!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 28, 2023, 19:56:19
Only 10 teams south of me for next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 29, 2023, 09:40:50
Only 10 teams south of me for next season.
None south of me!

My closest again is actually Newport at 78 miles, then FGR at 87 miles and then Swindon at 93 miles!

The only plus is that we dont have to go to almost Scotland again to play Carlisle!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, May 29, 2023, 09:52:06
None south of me!

My closest again is actually Newport at 78 miles, then FGR at 87 miles and then Swindon at 93 miles!

The only plus is that we dont have to go to almost Scotland again to play Carlisle!

No Carlisle or Hartlepool.
Only tumbleweed Barrow to navigate.
Stockport a nice easy one by train. Morecambe almost feels like the Midlands compared to Carlisle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 29, 2023, 09:58:47
Morecambe almost feels like the Midlands compared to Carlisle.
True that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 29, 2023, 10:00:06
I might travel to dongs this season  :tomato:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 29, 2023, 10:11:25
Never been meself. Might join you!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 29, 2023, 10:15:01
Never been meself. Might join you!
Go in the home end and take a megaphone to speak to the person sat closest to you!

TBF its a decent new style ground with good accessiblity just a bit featureless, it will just be pretty much empty, 30,000 capacity and only about 5k average this coming season I would think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 29, 2023, 10:18:15
Didn’t Ryan Mason score a corker there? Or was it Pritchard? Or both?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 29, 2023, 10:26:59
Didn’t Ryan Mason score a corker there? Or was it Pritchard? Or both?
Pritchard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXYjRUOW05o&t=3s


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 29, 2023, 10:38:35
This was the Mason corker

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?Tab=Video&MatchID=20140107


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, May 30, 2023, 14:36:43
This was the Mason corker

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?Tab=Video&MatchID=20140107

We were superb that day. Wolves were just a cut above everyone else in the league


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:02:11
4k season tickets sold.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:06:30
Cracking effort off the back of a dreadful season, that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:18:47
yeah fair play. Obviously we'll never know but I wonder what those numbers would have been like had we not sacked Morris and Sandro.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:44:55
yeah fair play. Obviously we'll never know but I wonder what those numbers would have been like had we not sacked Morris and Sandro.

2500 I reckon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:48:34
TBF isn’t that still above the level we had before Clem.
I know it went up in the early 2000’s when Fitton & co sold them cheaper to try to get to 6000, but we’ve generally had around the 3k mark


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:50:29
Probably be nearer 5k come season start.

Club had better do something quick, some of us haven’t too long left!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 09:52:39
The piss stains have sold 2500  :girlgiggle:

A couple of good signings and we should hit 5000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 10:12:19
Are they still struggling with getting a new ground somewhere? Can’t be that long before the Kassam lease runs out.

Fuck ‘em


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 10:18:06
Yeah, a bigger capacity ground  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Be like the MK experience.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 10:22:53
Well, tbf, they wouldn’t build a lower capacity ground!

Will they retain the innovative 3-sided design?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 10:51:38
Looks like we had around 4,200 mid June last year, so a really good effort.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/20217851.debt-reduction-season-ticket-update---swindon-towns-june-advisory-board/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 11:13:11
Well, tbf, they wouldn’t build a lower capacity ground!

Will they retain the innovative 3-sided design?

"The Triangle"  :D

https://news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/update-report-on-oufc-stadium-proposals/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 11:48:04
Ha! The fence will be there in spirit, at least


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 12:18:43
4K plus is an unreal effort from this fanbase given the circus we’ve witnessed top to bottom at the club this season.

I reckon with some decent signings and a positive pre season we could easily surpass 4.5k and get close to 5k again. Seen it mentioned above but fully agree that club struck at right time getting rid of SDM and Morris “officially” in the same week. Numbers wouldn’t be anywhere near 4K otherwise.

Around 12 vacancies behind the scenes to fill across first team and academy and I’d say around 8-10 players needed (exc departures) so it’s gonna be a busy old summer…

I’m fairly sure the club stated in the May AB to keep a look out for an announcement soon of someone being appointed on the football side of things, as did a trust rep, so hopefully here about that soon.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 12:27:09
Nathan Thompson has been doing a Business degree with a view to becoming a Sporting Director when he finishes playing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 12:31:37
4k season tickets sold.

That's pretty decent as said above.

Think this is a big season for Clem. I don't need "promotion or bust" type approach - but we need to try to do things right to focus o promotion.

So far appointing Flynn and talking of bringing in experience (within our means) is the right thing. I don't think they'll go back on their word and revert to all youngsters now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 13:01:30
That's pretty decent as said above.

Think this is a big season for Clem. I don't need "promotion or bust" type approach - but we need to try to do things right to focus o promotion.

So far appointing Flynn and talking of bringing in experience (within our means) is the right thing. I don't think they'll go back on their word and revert to all youngsters now.

I would like to think that wone be the case, lessons learnt and we move on.

Giving a clueless numpty who calls himself Sando when his real name is Alexanda Ralph William as much control at the club is a well learned mistake. I cant help but think the Zav Austin connection (at the time) at the club had something to do with all that.

Im still a bit pissed off that it happened last season the way it did. But it's in the past, we move on!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 2, 2023, 07:35:41
A new Podcast with Clem. Some sort of Aussie 'soccer' podcast. Haven't started it yet so don't know what it includes:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5LW9Ho9voUkVkX46EKH8D1?si=hRXBIax9S0WCnRXNzs328A&nd=1


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 2, 2023, 07:59:28
We are setting up an Academy in Australia apparently. His 'Head of Football' (?) is heading out there on 20th June.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, June 2, 2023, 08:39:33
Can see head coach/manager not been updated yet which is so poor https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 2, 2023, 08:47:20
Can see head coach/manager not been updated yet which is so poor https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

I know these 'general housekeeping' things are absolutely miniscule issues, but stuff like this irritates me way more than it really should! I mean, I know nothing about websites but surely an update is a 10 minutes job at the most?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, June 2, 2023, 08:54:49
I know these 'general housekeeping' things are absolutely miniscule issues, but stuff like this irritates me way more than it really should! I mean, I know nothing about websites but surely an update is a 10 minutes job at the most?

I sometimes get tasked with website updates for the shop and a 10 minute job generally takes about an hour to sort out....

Technology is a wonderful thing?

Arse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, June 2, 2023, 09:16:22
Can see head coach/manager not been updated yet which is so poor https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

No head of media at the moment ….

But yeah, it’s kinda slack and being blunt that’s just been the way recently


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 2, 2023, 09:31:29
I sometimes get tasked with website updates for the shop and a 10 minute job generally takes about an hour to sort out....

Technology is a wonderful thing?

Arse.

Yeah I had a feeling somebody that knows way more about this stuff than me would come along and tell me I am talking out of my ringpiece! :)

I'm also guessing that whoever 'coded' (sorry that's probably the wrong parlance) the website made it more complicated than it needs to be. Surely someone as computer literate as our very own Peter Venkman would ensure that things are kept ship shape!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 2, 2023, 10:03:09
A new Podcast with Clem. Some sort of Aussie 'soccer' podcast. Haven't started it yet so don't know what it includes:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5LW9Ho9voUkVkX46EKH8D1?si=hRXBIax9S0WCnRXNzs328A&nd=1

Thanks for sharing this Mooney - something to listen to today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bathford on Friday, June 2, 2023, 10:41:57
Just listened to Clem’s interview. Very interesting indeed.

Tell me who is his head of football at the CG?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 2, 2023, 10:45:08
I'm assuming he meant Jamie Russell?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, June 2, 2023, 11:00:06
A good listen. Not really heard him speak for any great length of time before.
Yeah I think he was referring to the academy with the head of football comment.

Easy to forget that he's been involved with the club for a number of years now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 2, 2023, 11:21:07
I actually thought he came over pretty positively. A sort of slightly naïve but enthusiastic and well meaning fan rather than Machiavellian frontman for the narcos, which is reassuring at least.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 2, 2023, 11:23:17
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23563452.swindon-town-trying-set-academy-australia-clem-morfuni/

Confirmed he means Jamie Russell as Nemo alluded to. Talking of JR, here he is on the OSC chat with Vic Morgan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZah26DES8


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, June 2, 2023, 18:19:32
I know these 'general housekeeping' things are absolutely miniscule issues, but stuff like this irritates me way more than it really should! I mean, I know nothing about websites but surely an update is a 10 minutes job at the most?

If someone can post tweets out, they can update the new manager on the website.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 2, 2023, 22:38:14
why the fuck are we fucking around with foreign scabies l academies now?

how is it a priority before we get our core business in order?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 06:26:29
If you paid for your ST by bank transfer, how long did it take to receive any kind of confirmation?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 06:32:59
If you paid for your ST by bank transfer, how long did it take to receive any kind of confirmation?
After a month, I still hadn't received confirmation. I logged into the ticketing site and checked account history I think it was and my season ticket purchase was in there and there was an option to resend confirmation email which then came through all okay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 06:35:24
why the fuck are we fucking around with foreign scabies l academies now?

how is it a priority before we get our core business in order?
Definitely in the camp of there's a lot of ducks for us to get in a row yet as a club, but from the on the sofa chat with Jamie Russell, sounds like our academy is in really good knick at the moment and ahead of schedule, so him spending some time setting up an Aussie academy may not detract from our academy's objectives.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 07:10:11
After a month, I still hadn't received confirmation. I logged into the ticketing site and checked account history I think it was and my season ticket purchase was in there and there was an option to resend confirmation email which then came through all okay.

Perfect, it’s showing in there for me too - thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 07:50:44
4k season tickets sold.

+2 to that as renewed ours as soon as I woke up this morning after experiencing a dream where we actually won at Wembley! Blind optimism I know. Blame me if we lose in the final to Barrow. Oddly enough I was still able to buy online for the early bird price despite the deadline being 31st May.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:02:31
I’ve relented and will get a couple of STs this week - God save my soul!

Need help here. Gone to the How Would You Like to Pay and there is only the option for V12. Is there no way I can just pay the whole amount via Debit Card?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:19:25
why the fuck are we fucking around with foreign scabies l academies now?

how is it a priority before we get our core business in order?
Yeah they shouldn't bother


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:32:23
why the fuck are we fucking around with foreign scabies l academies now?

how is it a priority before we get our core business in order?

Dont listen too much to the negative Neils on Twitter Batch, they'll get you down!

Whilst i think its fair to say our Academy over the decade or so hasn't produced much to write home about, there are positive signs that Jamie Russell seems to be working a bit of magic and the youngsters reached a cup final and the noises appear to be very good.

I suspect Jamie Russell is going to Oz to work with someone over there to try and 'mirror' what he's doing over here. I don't think I've an issue with it really, why not use the contacts Clem has over in Australia to benefit us?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:44:29
We are setting up an Academy in Australia apparently. His 'Head of Football' (?) is heading out there on 20th June.

I thought that was the best I have heard Clem speak to be honest. He came across confident and with clarity. I thought it was interesting he came out and basically said Power tried to bankrupt the club. He is obviously very passionate about football in both Australia and at Swindon. We'll worth a listen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:49:52
I think the problem with our Academy has always been that the real standout talent gets poached before they get anywhere near the first team.

I can’t remember who it was that said/posted the quote from someone that said most youth age group teams are run because there’s one player there that is likely to make it, and often they already know who that player is so the others are really just there to enable his development.

There’s always exceptions (like Ian Wright) but that being the case we have usually lost ours before they get to an age where they are getting pro deals


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:55:28
I’ve relented and will get a couple of STs this week - God save my soul!

Need help here. Gone to the How Would You Like to Pay and there is only the option for V12. Is there no way I can just pay the whole amount via Debit Card?

The club have to send you a banking link to pay in full.
Once you get it, very easy.
Pain at first, call them and they sort it out very quickly.

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:56:49
I think the problem with our Academy has always been that the real standout talent gets poached before they get anywhere near the first team.

I can’t remember who it was that said/posted the quote from someone that said most youth age group teams are run because there’s one player there that is likely to make it, and often they already know who that player is so the others are really just there to enable his development.

There’s always exceptions (like Ian Wright) but that being the case we have usually lost ours before they get to an age where they are getting pro deals

I guess localish clubs like Brighton, Southampton the London clubs etc have such a huge scouting resource that they are able to send people to clubs like ourselves and are easily able to spot the players who are still developing as children that have a chance of making it as a professional footballer.

It's up to us to try and make Swindon the place for local kids to feel that they have a real chance of making it. If a kid is approached by say Brighton, the parents are highly unlikely to keep them at Swindon. That's going to take years to change but if we can create a consistently successful youth team year on year, then that culture shift may just happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RWB Robin on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 09:58:15
Dont listen too much to the negative Neils on Twitter Batch, they'll get you down!

Whilst i think its fair to say our Academy over the decade or so hasn't produced much to write home about, there are positive signs that Jamie Russell seems to be working a bit of magic and the youngsters reached a cup final and the noises appear to be very good.

I suspect Jamie Russell is going to Oz to work with someone over there to try and 'mirror' what he's doing over here. I don't think I've an issue with it really, why not use the contacts Clem has over in Australia to benefit us?

I think Clem was quite explicit that he wanted to give young talent in Oz the opportunity to make it in England, so there is clearly a recruitment plan being formed. Not sure I approve in principle of nicking the better players from overseas at our level, but in practice, we may well benefit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 10:11:35
I think Clem was quite explicit that he wanted to give young talent in Oz the opportunity to make it in England, so there is clearly a recruitment plan being formed. Not sure I approve in principle of nicking the better players from overseas at our level, but in practice, we may well benefit.

Sadly the Aussie football league is years behind as was the USA. The best way these teams can develop their domestic leagues is to import end of life top players, send their young talent abroad and develop their own talent into a structured regime. Which is what is happening. We’re dipping our toes as a bottom feeder into this lucrative untapped pool.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 10:11:46
The club have to send you a banking link to pay in full.
Once you get it, very easy.
Pain at first, call them and they sort it out very quickly.

Hope that helps.
Cheers, I’ll do that Monday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 10:20:01
Sadly the Aussie football league is years behind as was the USA. The best way these teams can develop their domestic leagues is to import end of life top players, send their young talent abroad and develop their own talent into a structured regime. Which is what is happening. We’re dipping our toes as a bottom feeder into this lucrative untapped pool.

Agreed. Look at the success of some of the J League exports at Celtic and Hearts. If we can get the jump on an untapped market using our Australian chairman then why not? Obviously we need to massively improve our own academy and get our own players through the system but if we can do both, then happy days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 10:24:36
Agreed. Look at the success of some of the J League exports at Celtic and Hearts. If we can get the jump on an untapped market using our Australian chairman then why not? Obviously we need to massively improve our own academy and get our own players through the system but if we can do both, then happy days.

Exactly, similarly a certain chappie is doing something along those lines in Pakistan I believe…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 13:28:30
Quote from: DMC
Yeah they shouldn't bother

because that's exactly what I said


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:21:08
Wrexham CEO has stated their Turnover is now £20m! Ours is about £6m. Bradford’s £8.5m. Where the fuck can they get the extra £14m from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:23:59
Wrexham CEO has stated their Turnover is now £20m! Ours is about £6m. Bradford’s £8.5m. Where the fuck can they get the extra £14m from?

Sponsorship that can be seen on Netflix with Ryan Reynolds face on it is worth quite a lot more than we get, I suspect. And I imagine Wrexham shirt sales overseas dwarf any side outside the Prem.

The Wrexham "model" is pretty FFP proof... right up until the guys aren't involved any more.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:25:40
I read somewhere they sold 8000 shirts in one day!

There’s a huge amount of schadenfreude building up for Wrexham.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:25:59
Wrexham CEO has stated their Turnover is now £20m! Ours is about £6m. Bradford’s £8.5m. Where the fuck can they get the extra £14m from?

Sponsorship, merchandise and income from the documentary on Disney I guess? I know they are doing a pre-season tour in the states, not sure whether that actually brings any lolly in or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:28:01
Wrexham CEO has stated their Turnover is now £20m! Ours is about £6m. Bradford’s £8.5m. Where the fuck can they get the extra £14m from?
They apparently have sold in excess of 25,000 shirts in the USA alone this season, probably something to do with it and the income from massive sponsorship deals.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:31:53
They apparently have sold in excess of 25,000 shirt sin the USA alone this season, probably something to do with it and the income from massive sponsorship deals.

I suspect if it continues to grow it will flip over to being one of those deals where the manufacturer pays them a fortune and Wrexham actually don't get much on each sale ala PL deals, not the shirry ones clubs at this level normally get with a template shirt and having to guess how many we need.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 16, 2023, 09:50:48
I suspect if it continues to grow it will flip over to being one of those deals where the manufacturer pays them a fortune and Wrexham actually don't get much on each sale ala PL deals, not the shirry ones clubs at this level normally get with a template shirt and having to guess how many we need.
I read somewhere last week that more Americans "on the street" know who Wrexham are than know who Man City are, based purely off the back of that TV prog.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 16, 2023, 10:11:49
I read somewhere last week that more Americans "on the street" know who Wrexham are than know who Man City are, based purely off the back of that TV prog.

I have written before about my enforced hour in Wrexham the other month and the loads of people taking pictures of the ground and the groups of septics on the station and trains in shirts hats etc.

I wonder how long Macron have got the contract for, they seem to have been doing it for a few years so they have rather hit the jackpot!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 16, 2023, 10:34:57
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/june/robins-announce-partnership-with-fair-game/

This is a good thing. They mean sustainability in the "clubs not going bankrupt all the time" sense rather than the green one, which is initially a bit confusing.

Naturally the post about it is covered in the usual "WHAT ABOUT A NEW RIGHT BACK?" posts, which neatly illustrates why football is fucked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 12:59:01
I have no issue with Flynn being away on holiday for the last few weeks.
Perhaps he has been glued to his phone throughout.
However… Sandro was sacked nearly 7 weeks ago. Who at the club has been dealing with recruitment over the summer?
Who at the club is even qualified to deal with recruitment?
Are we getting a DoF?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 13:38:23
Who at the club is even qualified to deal with recruitment?

To be fair this was the problem last season, we didn’t have an experienced manager & a DoF who knew statistics but not football.

I’m not sure we need a DoF when you have an experienced manager


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 13:45:58
Sure, but given Flynn has evidently been away, who in our current set up would you even back to chase down his list of targets?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 13:51:18
Sure, but given Flynn has evidently been away, who in our current set up would you even back to chase down his list of targets?

Marcus Cassidy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 13:54:03
Sure, but given Flynn has evidently been away, who in our current set up would you even back to chase down his list of targets?
Not sure if Mildenhall, Gunning and Peacock will have any kind of input? Aberdeen Angus might be involved to some degree based on input from the scouting network etc. Having watched Sunderland til I die recently, particularly in the first season it was interesting to see how involved the chief exec was in brokering deals, but maybe that was because the chairman was so MIA and had clearly checked out. I assume the way the club is being run is to aim for continuity despite back room shifts so that transfer dealings can still go ahead. I guess maybe part of that was Sandro’s role and he has now departed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 14:00:07
Does a manager really need to be in situ nowadays to get on with recruitment?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 14:03:11
Does a manager really need to be in situ nowadays to get on with recruitment?

Not if there’s an adequate recruitment team/DoF in place to keep things moving here whilst the manager is away, technology makes it easy.

That’s the question though I’m guessing, who is there that fills that role? Wayne Hatswell? Is Les Caffery still about? I doubt it’s Rob Angus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 14:17:53
I don’t know what the usual procedure is. Do managers have a little black book of contacts? If, as has been mooted, he’s after a couple of players he’s managed before it’d be simple enough to get things underway by a call + Zoom.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 14:26:05
I’m sure at this stage a lot of his initial contact can be via phone and/or Teams etc. Hopefully Flynn knowing Arteta and Guardiola may benefit us in the loan market.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 15:06:50
What would clubs like that see in Swindon when it comes to loan players now? Versus other clubs in the 92.

I’m struggling to come to terms with it but we are L2 mid table dross now.

We’ve always been a big fish on the rare occasions we’ve been in this shit pit of a league in years past. No more.

Last season was a great chance to gamble on going up. Instead Clem absolutely bogged it.

Looking at the league this year and the mood music in SN1 we are more likely to be in a relegation fight.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 15:16:28
Ah here we go, good to see the standard preseason conclusion jumping with little evidence period is kicking into gear..  long overdue and surprised it has taken this long..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 15:19:30
What would clubs like that see in Swindon when it comes to loan players now? Versus other clubs in the 92.

I’m struggling to come to terms with it but we are L2 mid table dross now.

We’ve always been a big fish on the rare occasions we’ve been in this shit pit of a league in years past. No more.

Last season was a great chance to gamble on going up. Instead Clem absolutely bogged it.

Looking at the league this year and the mood music in SN1 we are more likely to be in a relegation fight.


As a club, we probably are one of the “bigger” ones at this level; that alone probably counts for little. If the personal relations between the managers at the big clubs are decent then it may sway them to offer a player if Flynn comes knocking. Like many things football is probably about who you know and is not immune from nepotism or popularity contests.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 15:26:42
Flynn being famous for his Premier League style football…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 15:27:01
Ah here we go, good to see the standard preseason conclusion jumping with little evidence period is kicking into gear..  long overdue and surprised it has taken this long..

Someone had to get this party started  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 16:08:23
I have no issue with Flynn being away on holiday for the last few weeks.
Perhaps he has been glued to his phone throughout.
However… Sandro was sacked nearly 7 weeks ago. Who at the club has been dealing with recruitment over the summer?
Who at the club is even qualified to deal with recruitment?
Are we getting a DoF?

I can answer that.

No-one
No-one
No

There you go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 17:24:31
I can answer that.

No-one
No-one
No

There you go.

Thanks!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 17:29:44
Thanks!

No problem, relax. It’s all in hand. Think of them as a Swan. Quietly going about their business on the river and paddling like fuck under water to get the players we need.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 17:37:01
As long as we have a decent starting eleven when we play Accrington on August 5th I will be happy😆


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 17:49:49
As long as we have a decent staring eleven when we play Accrington on August 5th I will be happy😆

Blink and you'll miss it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 20:03:51
I had a similar conversation with someone recently.

we are certainly still one of the bigger teams in terms of support and history.

I kind of agree with Mooneyraker in terms of likely wealth. We now have Wrexham, Salford, Gills, Stockport, Franchise, FGR, Mansfield and Bradford who in all likelihood can outspend us.

I know it's not all about money of course. it just helps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, June 18, 2023, 20:11:24
And possibly Colchester!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 19, 2023, 07:56:22
I had a similar conversation with someone recently.

we are certainly still one of the bigger teams in terms of support and history.

I kind of agree with Mooneyraker in terms of likely wealth. We now have Wrexham, Salford, Gills, Stockport, Franchise, FGR, Mansfield and Bradford who in all likelihood can outspend us.

I know it's not all about money of course. it just helps.
Absolutely so.

When I look at that list of teams and barring Bradford we would probably consider ourselves as much bigger clubs historically it disappoints me that we cannot get close to matching the spending power of Salford and FGR who are 2 of the newest teams in the league with average home gates of sub 3k in this league.

I fear we will become a team who float between L1 and L2 regularly if we do not find extra investors.

Its been said hundreds of times before....I love Clem, hes a great face of the club, but some mistakes have been made, which he has acted upon, mostly, but...... does he have the financial grunt available to him to take us to the next level of being able to win promotion and then challenge for promotion in L1? personally I do not think he does....currently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:00:43
I fear we will become a team who float between L1 and L2 regularly if we do not find extra investors.

That would be an improvement!

As much as there are L2 clubs with bigger budgets than us, there are also L1 teams with smaller or comparable budgets - just need to get some of the on and off field management right - I can't imagine we're significantly poorer than Cambridge, Port Vale, Burton, Fleetwood, Cheltenham, Exeter, Shrewsbury and Lincoln and they're all middle to bottom half of L1.

There is definitely a unique set of circumstances this year where there is more money in L2 than we would usually expect, but assuming that three or four of those clubs go up this year, I can't see them being replaced by teams of similar spending power.

It's a broken record at this point, but we missed a huge chance this season just finished - the top teams were Orient, Stevenage and Northampton, none of whom could hold a candle to the sides we're up against this year in budgetary terms.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:14:33
The thing which makes me a bit sad of our situation Vs likes of the big investment at the likes of Salford, FGR and even Colchester is that if those types of investors were to invest here instead, it would require less from them due to the already good financial base we provide from tickets/season tickets. Or if they were willing to invest the same amounts, the ceiling then becomes even higher.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:19:14
The thing which makes me a bit sad of our situation Vs likes of the big investment at the likes of Salford, FGR and even Colchester is that if those types of investors were to invest here instead, it would require less from them due to the already good financial base we provide from tickets/season tickets. Or if they were willing to invest the same amounts, the ceiling then becomes even higher.


Who knows, maybe that is the Plan. I know it's very knee jerk from us to always slate what is going on football wise and look at it as doom and gloom but the foundations are being set off the pitch for someone to come in one day and take over a very healthy club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:24:51
Or another Power-esque creature.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:32:03
Work is quiet at the moment and so I had a bit of a peruse around the vocal minority on Twitter who are screaming out for the club to DO SOMETHING to peak fans interest. My initial thought could be summed up by suggesting they get a life, but I figured perhaps it might be beneficial to question what the club could actually do to be more pro-active at this time of the season.

Transfers news - Let's be honest, there has been barely a whisper of any incomings, or outgoings at SN1. Obviously there had been questions about leaks in the past but since Michael Flynn has come in, we've heard almost nothing. Clearly we are going to do business, and I suspect that from next week we are likely to ramp things up but should fans be angsty that we haven't done anything yet? I think if experience is anything to go by, Swindon tend to leave things pretty late, I think we all know more or less where we need to strengthen but does the club need to be more vocal on what it's looking to do in the transfer market? Barring an interview with Flynn, Clem, Rob Angus about plans, i'm not too sure what the club can do to whet the appetite. We'll announce transfers as and when they happen, it's still June to be fair.

Season Ticket marketing - It hasn't exactly been amazing but the numbers we've shifted even with minimal effort from the club shows the fans are still behind the team. Sacking Sandro and Jody Morris will have helped of course, but you can't help wondering if we might have been able to sell a few hundred more. Using a figure head like Charlie Austin could have been a great way to try and eek out those sales. It doesn't even need to be anything fancy, just a crap slogan like 'Charlie's in, are you'.

New Kit - As with transfers, the kits will be released when they are released, but why not try and create a bit of a buzz during the quiet time, maybe tease a launch date and create some kind of countdown.

Obviously players and fans are on holiday so I guess it's difficult to do but why not get the players to record a 10 second message to fans or something to create a bit of solidarity? Use the social media admin to create some sort of recurring theme on twitter whilst nothing is happening. There was that post a couple of weeks back where they asked the question 'which player comes to mind when you see this kit'. That created a bit of conversation amongst fans, why not make it a recurring theme?

I do think the Marcus Cassidy updates are very good and useful, I just wonder if the club could do a little bit more whilst not much is going on. Even if nothing else to try and negate the 'sign someone', 'release kit' type messages on Twitter whenever Admin post anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:33:52
The club don’t believe in marketing and the social guy doing the comms is the part time photographer doing six other jobs. It is what it is


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Briggany on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:34:56
The thing which makes me a bit sad of our situation Vs likes of the big investment at the likes of Salford, FGR and even Colchester is that if those types of investors were to invest here instead, it would require less from them due to the already good financial base we provide from tickets/season tickets. Or if they were willing to invest the same amounts, the ceiling then becomes even higher.



You will probably find they take one look at the fanbase and think "Nah Fuck That!".

Some of the fans we have, have the IQ of a kebab and just spout their emotional unfiltered vitriol on social media would be enough to put anyone off investing any money. It's like a Trump rally for Swindon town. Constantly moaning and whining about every little thing (good or bad) and pumping out more conspiracy theories than flat earthers around the globe.

Fair enough it's the very loud minority, but they are the only ones you hear and when sensible people try to counter it with logic or common sense you are smacked down as a "happy clapper" and suddenly what every say doesn't matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:42:20
Ah here we go, good to see the standard preseason conclusion jumping with little evidence period is kicking into gear..  long overdue and surprised it has taken this long..

2022-23 - The season of 'why the fuck have we got a DoF'.
2023-24 -  The season of 'why the fuck have we not got a DoF'.

I fear we will become a team who float between L1 and L2 regularly if we do not find extra investors.

'Become', we have been that team for all of this century. Yeah history, potential and attendances and all that but the fact remains that in the 21st century Swindon Town are, at best, a team which bounces between the bottom two tiers of the pyramid.

Other teams have overtaken us and be it investment or other matters we have become rather left behind, certain teams have shown it can be done without  huge wads of cash, but we haven't managed that either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, June 19, 2023, 08:50:42
I don’t think anyone would have minded a DoF last season. Ben Chorley for example.

It was the fact that we had a seemingly megalomaniacal “Technical Director” who was, at best, equipped to hand out smoked salmon blinis in Lee Power’s box at Newbury races that was the issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Monday, June 19, 2023, 09:20:09
We could argue we have far more potential in terms of history and fanbase than FGR, Salford , Gills, Colchester.

Money isn't everything but it does help, and if we don't go up this season i can see Clem under far more pressure regarding bringing in other outside investment (which i expect is the plan for the redevelopment so it should also be re the product on the pitch)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Monday, June 19, 2023, 09:25:02
I don’t think anyone would have minded a DoF last season. Ben Chorley for example.

It was the fact that we had a seemingly megalomaniacal “Technical Director” who was, at best, equipped to hand out smoked salmon blinis in Lee Power’s box at Newbury races that was the issue.

As always its more about the people and their talent than the structure in place. The best thing Clem/Rob can do is be the best recruiter of talent in all roles. Clem knowing Chorley was a relic of Chorleys involvement under the Power days, and fair play Clem could see he knew his shit. It was a wise appointment, and he then got Garner (who did very well under the conditions) and recruited a strong team. The problem in my eyes has been post Chorley. I'm not sure we have got many decisions right at any level within the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, June 19, 2023, 09:30:12
Agreed. I know he is a good bloke, Swindon through and through etc, but there are plenty of questions about Aberdeen’s suitability for the role he finds himself in.

I’m not looking to be a miserable shit. I’ve bought my season ticket as ever and will be behind whatever team we put out on the pitch. I’m just trying to put my finger on why my pre-season expectations have never been lower in 25+ years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 19, 2023, 09:36:39
I don’t think anyone would have minded a DoF last season. Ben Chorley for example.

It was the fact that we had a seemingly megalomaniacal “Technical Director” who was, at best, equipped to hand out smoked salmon blinis in Lee Power’s box at Newbury races that was the issue.

What we massively lacked last season was a competent manager.
Still think that was more of an issue than Sandro.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Monday, June 19, 2023, 09:41:07
What we massively lacked last season was a competent manager.
Still think that was more of an issue than Sandro.



Perhaps, but Sandro recruited the managers, so Sandro was therefore the issue. The logic follows that whoever appointed Sandro was to blame, which is why i'm concerned about the current leaderships ability to judge people honestly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 19, 2023, 09:56:51
We could argue we have far more potential in terms of history and fanbase than FGR, Salford , Gills, Colchester.

Money isn't everything but it does help, and if we don't go up this season i can see Clem under far more pressure regarding bringing in other outside investment (which i expect is the plan for the redevelopment so it should also be re the product on the pitch)

Not sure what potential 'history' brings, yes we were in the PL but that was 30 years ago and its over 20 years since we were in the Championship.

As for the second point we can whinge and whine about Clem, Rob Angus as much as we like, its hardly like there is a orderly queue of people wanting to buy the club  or invest so unless we can cobble together a few mills ourselves not sure what its going to achieve. Yes it could be better, but saying it over and over again on an internet forum doesn't achieve a great deal in the big scheme of things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:04:02
Not sure what potential 'history' brings, yes we were in the PL but that was 30 years ago and its over 20 years since we were in the Championship.

As for the second point we can whinge and whine about Clem, Rob Angus as much as we like, its hardly like there is a orderly queue of people wanting to buy the club  or invest so unless we can cobble together a few mills ourselves not sure what its going to achieve. Yes it could be better, but saying it over and over again on an internet forum doesn't achieve a great deal in the big scheme of things.

There are people looking to invest in clubs like ours, particularly since Wrexham blew up. Some will be good, some will be bad, but there are people out there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:09:22
There are people looking to invest in clubs like ours, particularly since Wrexham blew up. Some will be good, some will be bad, but there are people out there.

If its the case that Clem is refusing investment from people and or turning down offers to take over the club then these are questions that have to be asked at the AB at the very least then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:12:25
If its the case that Clem is refusing investment from people and or turning down offers to take over the club then these are questions that have to be asked at the AB at the very least then.


I have no idea if anyone has registered specific interest in us. I'm just saying that there are people investing in clubs outside the Premier League all of the time. Our fanbase seems to have ugly step-child syndrome. "No one would even look at us." Not sure why.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:44:40
If its the case that Clem is refusing investment from people and or turning down offers to take over the club then these are questions that have to be asked at the AB at the very least then.
Ha these things crack me up.So you are saying a genuine question should be that because Mooneyraker on the forum thinks theres lots of people interested in buying clubs like us because it worked for wrexham our owner is now refusing investment and that should be asked in a meeting


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:45:25
Ha these things crack me up.So you are saying a genuine question should be that because Mooneyraker on the forum thinks theres lots of people interested in buying us because it worked for wrexham our owner is now refusing investment and that should be asked in a meeting

Just to reiterate, that's not what I said!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:51:09


I have no idea if anyone has registered specific interest in us. I'm just saying that there are people investing in clubs outside the Premier League all of the time. Our fanbase seems to have ugly step-child syndrome. "No one would even look at us." Not sure why.
It's because we have been run into the ground linked with criminals and doing dodgy shit left right and centre. We are the ugly step child. Other clubs were refusing to work with us due to Power fucking them over, we have so many companies in swindon refusing to work with the club because they were never paid before

I recently had to try sort some travel for them and the private car company refused to take the business as the club had history for not paying drivers, they can't even get credit in their name for a hotel stay

If we have an owner now who is determained to change that and leave us in a position that people are interested in taking over i will take it.

The downside to it though is they need to communicate that properly and day to day be run so much better than they are now  because at times its just not good enough and i think adding the staff in the roles needed day to day will enhance things  


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:51:59
Just to reiterate, that's not what I said!
Amended buddy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 19, 2023, 10:52:04
Mooneyraker who in one post is wondering why other fans think rich people won’t invest in us yet only yesterday was saying we’re likely to be in a relegation fight this season.

…I’d say the negativity is slightly better places in the former…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, June 19, 2023, 11:06:55
Mooneyraker who in one post is wondering why other fans think rich people won’t invest in us yet only yesterday was saying we’re likely to be in a relegation fight this season.

…I’d say the negativity is slightly better places in the former…

Fairly straightforward logic... "investment likely to improve team shock!"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 21:29:23
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1671614930439618567?t=D7y1AsiUCEXUjY0hR8fgPA&s=08

Retweeted by Rob Angus

FIFA still have not paid some EFL clubs for releasing players for the 2022 World Cup, increasing budget headaches over the summer as
clubs eke out for a couple of months with no matchday income



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 08:46:38
Not that there is much interesting to say, but it would be good for the club to release something with Flynn discussing the fixtures.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 08:47:51
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1671614930439618567?t=D7y1AsiUCEXUjY0hR8fgPA&s=08

Retweeted by Rob Angus

FIFA still have not paid some EFL clubs for releasing players for the 2022 World Cup, increasing budget headaches over the summer as
clubs eke out for a couple of months with no matchday income



Hmm, that's not ideal, I think we were expecting something like £200k for Williams/Woollacott as well, so not chump change.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:37:16
Maybe one for the Advisory Board minutes rather than the CEO hinting with a retweet but hey. Open and Transparent


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:47:53
Maybe one for the Advisory Board minutes rather than the CEO hinting with a retweet but hey. Open and Transparent
Feel free to ask it in the next one. I assume as it was only trevealed yesterday they probably didn't have time to go back in time and answer the question


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 09:52:40
Pretty sure it wasn’t revealed to Aberdeen yesterday.

If FIFA owe us money, stick that in the accounts section.

People might be more sympathetic with regards to signings/wages/back room staff etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, June 22, 2023, 15:26:02
Feel free to ask it in the next one. I assume as it was only trevealed yesterday they probably didn't have time to go back in time and answer the question

Don't forget to put your name to your question though or you will be ignored


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 11:03:27
Perhaps we need a "Club Grumbles" thread, but adding to the theme of 'nothing at the club quite works', my retail experience.

I've been trying to buy a mini kit for baby Nemo (due next month, so important to start early). I placed an order online on the STFC store over the weekend, all seemed go fine apart from not getting an email confirmation.

A couple of hours later, I got an abandoned cart type email (The product is still there for you etc.), which I thought was odd so I checked my bank account. The card had been charged. So I sent the contact form on the store to ask whether the order had gone through and if so, could they send a confirmation. If not, can they refund to the card, the usual stuff.

No response to that... but I have just had an email from DHL telling me the item is out for delivery.

Fundamentally I'm seemingly getting what I've paid for and I've been charged for it, but it's not been an absolutely textbook experience...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 11:11:42
smooth as sandpaper


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 11:55:51
Not saying I believe or don’t believe any of it, only just stumbled upon the tweet and haven’t tried to verify any of it but someone’s posted a wild “look” into the Able group on Twitter.

I’ll link it and you can make your own assumptions.

https://twitter.com/bcks109/status/1673647578045456385?s=46


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 12:01:43
I’ve got some Magic Beans that Jason might be interested in


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 12:07:31
Is there anything new there?

Still suspect this was a misrepresentation of the situation from the power camp, and that he was trying to write off decrees and carry on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 12:08:00
I am blocked by Jason but he talks absolute shite tbh


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 12:13:42
Fun facts (with a caveat they may not be fun, or facts).

I knew a Jason Lane at school, he was pretty good at football and I believe remained involved in youth coaching in the Town.  He was best mates with Andy Minturn, dad of of our Minturn, who was also very good at football and on the youth ranks at STFC with Jimmy Fraser (of Chelsea today) and all played in the same school team as Wayne Hatswell.

My caveat is in the event this is not the same Jason Lane, in which case my post is even less pointless than it is already.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 13:00:10
Don't forget to put your name to your question though or you will be ignored
and be part of the trust or osc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 15:40:13
I am blocked by Jason but he talks absolute shite tbh

 I remember seeing one tweet he wrote to a player giving them advice how to play the channels :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 15:40:55
Fun facts (with a caveat they may not be fun, or facts).

I knew a Jason Lane at school, he was pretty good at football and I believe remained involved in youth coaching in the Town.  He was best mates with Andy Minturn, dad of of our Minturn, who was also very good at football and on the youth ranks at STFC with Jimmy Fraser (of Chelsea today) and all played in the same school team as Wayne Hatswell.

My caveat is in the event this is not the same Jason Lane, in which case my post is even less pointless than it is already.

Its him, he is always tweeting Minturns dad


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 16:56:01
Never quite sure on this one. Able were clearly a real thing connected to real people with real money. Some people claim "yeah but it was just a front for Power!" but why would the owners of the Boston Celtics have indulged a washed up third rate spiv like him?

And the Trust/Clem fanboy angle of making out like they may not even have existed was equally odd.

We will likely never know the truth one way or another. We are stuck with Clem, for better or for worse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 16:57:29
Never quite sure on this one. Able were clearly a real thing connected to real people with real money. Some people claim "yeah but it was just a front for Power!" but why would the owners of the Boston Celtics have indulged a washed up third rate spiv like him?

And the Trust/Clem fanboy angle of making out like they may not even have existed was equally odd.

We will likely never know the truth one way or another. We are stuck with Clem, for better or for worse.

Able were register as AC Sports. (Or something similar)

Isn’t now common knowledge the AC stood for Andrew Curran?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 17:07:02
As understand the legalities of the Morfuni v Power v Able didn’t Clems brief piss all over their brief in the end hence the claim for that £100k was thrown out? Or am I missing something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 17:20:40
They did but people are angry with Clem and the trust so it makes sense to get the rumour going again. Like Mooney says, if you don't agree with people like him and others you are clearly a Clem or trust fanboy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 17:50:11
There is a very clear way to see that Able was all bollocks - in the two years since, not a single EFL club has had a sniff of interest from them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 18:03:14
Shame we didn't sell to them in some ways


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 18:32:32
Complete dearth of information on Able when the name first popped up.

Zero effort to get the fans on board with potential sale at the time.
Compare & contrast with the Fitton consortium.

Seemed all very back of a fag packet totally in keeping with the Power way.
Don't think that very many were taken in by the prospect of shiny new American owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 18:34:03
Complete dearth of information on Able when the name first popped up.

Zero effort to get the fans on board with potential sale at the time.
Compare & contrast with the Fitton consortium.

Seemed all very back of a fag packet totally in keeping with the Power way.
Don't think that very many were taken in by the prospect of shiny new American owners.

Best Holdings MkII


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 18:39:07
STs ready to collect from ticket office tomorrow.

If only it was open!

They do shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 18:46:29
Absolutely crazy isn't it. Do all that work to fix up the shop and close it half the week


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 20:12:20
They did but people are angry with Clem and the trust so it makes sense to get the rumour going again. Like Mooney says, if you don't agree with people like him and others you are clearly a Clem or trust fanboy.

Not quite what I said... Are there Clem/Trust fanboys? Yes. Is everyone who disagrees with "people like me" one? Obviously not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 20:17:35
Best Holdings MkII

Sad to think we might have missed out on Ibon Arrieta MkII


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 06:52:26
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
STs ready to collect from ticket office tomorrow.

If only it was open!

They do shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity.


I thought the window was open but the shop was shut.

so it's only 1 foot shot


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 07:37:25
Didn’t say that in the tweet. Just announced STs available to be picked today then a line saying Club Shop closed today.

You may be right but I haven’t seen that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 07:45:33
Shock horror, the clubs commercial operations being less than amateurish

Surely it makes absolute sense to have the shop open, and some nice new juicy kits to flog (or anything at all!)

There’s no rush in getting season tickets out, so just…..wait?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 08:08:53
Didn’t say that in the tweet. Just announced STs available to be picked today then a line saying Club Shop closed today.

You may be right but I haven’t seen that.

They didn't put that out.

Tweet 1 - Tickets available from window
Tweet 2 - Shop shut

Its slightly ambiguous isn't it.

Surely it makes absolute sense to have the shop open, and some nice new juicy kits to flog (or anything at all!)

There’s no rush in getting season tickets out, so just…..wait?

Indeed. Maybe that was the plan and the kit was delayed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 10:15:52
Shock horror, the clubs commercial operations being less than amateurish

Surely it makes absolute sense to have the shop open, and some nice new juicy kits to flog (or anything at all!)

There’s no rush in getting season tickets out, so just…..wait?
This is where it becomes subjective. The club i have been told are getting calls everyday from people asking when to pick up cards etc

If kit is released today though then i don't get why they are not doing on the same day


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 10:17:32
Is it closed today because of the drone/kit release/player announcement thing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 10:21:03
Is it closed today because of the drone/kit release/player announcement thing?

Its possibly closed today as they remove the old stock and get the new kits out ready.

As everyone is said. Its seems very poorly managed as there would have been nice synergy encouraging people down to pick up their cards and also tempt them with the new kit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 10:23:07
Not sure i am right to say this and may get a bollocking but i do know that the Kit release delay is a Puma issue not ours. The club are very reactive and got so much more to improve on but think this was out their hands


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 10:31:52
This is where it becomes subjective. The club i have been told are getting calls everyday from people asking when to pick up cards etc

If kit is released today though then i don't get why they are not doing on the same day

I get they might have been having some calls, but as far as I can see the first announcement of season tickets being collected was yesterday? Which was pretty late in the day to share, and surely gives sufficient room to delay any announcement until the kits are in to be sold? Unless we’re talking a significant delay into the end of July


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 11:31:10
Twitter is superb reading at the moment - I’ve never known a bunch of grown men be so desperate to see a new football kit  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 11:32:55
Twitter is superb reading at the moment - I’ve never known a bunch of grown men be so desperate to see a new football kit  :D

Yeah some of it is a little bit tragic!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 11:35:37
Twitter is superb reading at the moment - I’ve never known a bunch of grown men be so desperate to see a new football kit  :D
It's mad isn't it. Also asking for photos of certain players. Baffles me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 11:37:15
I’m intrigued how some of them find the time, it’s relentless!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 11:38:13
Twitter is superb reading at the moment - I’ve never known a bunch of grown men be so desperate to see a new football kit  :D

It is quite embarrassing, but also shows the amount of active engagement their fans or customers have which the club should love.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 11:38:18
That said, ive nearly 26,500 posts on this site, so perhaps I'm the tragic one!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 15:16:37
That said, ive nearly 26,500 posts on this site, so perhaps I'm the tragic one!

Amateur


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 15:22:38
Amateur
Ahem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 15:36:48
Twitter is superb reading at the moment - I’ve never known a bunch of grown men be so desperate to see a new football kit  :D
Childish eh?


I've heard its yellow and blue for the home kit, pass it on


Ahem.

first the worst... :)



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, June 29, 2023, 15:47:33
Is Mad Gav still employed by the club...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, June 29, 2023, 16:58:00
Good shout that is i have not seen him or heard anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, June 29, 2023, 17:36:42
I thought his name was conspicuous by its absence when Flynn was interviewed. Mentioned Wayne (I get the impression we are meant to be grateful we have an ex Pox player because he was born in Swindon) and Mildy, but no Gav...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 07:25:51
When it comes to the CG redevelopment, I hope we come up with something a little better than Bristol Rovers



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 07:50:42
When it comes to the CG redevelopment, I hope we come up with something a little better than Bristol Rovers



I'm pretty sure they are putting lipstick on a pig until they get a green light to move to a new stadium.

Our pig is going to Selfridges/B&M for a 'proper' makeover. It would be interesting to hear at the next fans meeting thing with Clem/Aberdeen of any further concrete plans if at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 07:57:31
I thought there was a legal timescale for work to begin, otherwise the CG reverts back to SBC


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 08:04:46
I thought there was a legal timescale for work to begin, otherwise the CG reverts back to SBC

Yeah that's right. I can't remember the actual agreement, I thought something had to be done after 1 year or 3 years. I'm sure someone with a better memory than me will know the details. I have a feeling some sort of plans have to be submitted/and/or actual work had to be started by a specific time frame.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 08:41:21
When it comes to the CG redevelopment, I hope we come up with something a little better than Bristol Rovers
That is what they have at the moment - not what will be replacing it.

Their new plans (saw on Twitter yesterday, can’t find it to link) I would happily take over a roof on the Stratton Bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:03:34
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:15:44
That is what they have at the moment - not what will be replacing it.

Their new plans (saw on Twitter yesterday, can’t find it to link) I would happily take over a roof on the Stratton Bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:24:10
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:25:14
Sponsors?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:33:59
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.

Investing in the ground is essentially increasing your assets value, so always easier to fund that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:36:08
‘ Funding generally is provided by some, or all, of the following sources: borrowings, capital contribution by the shareholders/owner of the club, and the monetarisation of the asset itself in the way of naming rights and commercial tie ins.’



Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:37:58
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.
I suspect you have answered your question there...

More seriously, borrowing which now they own it can be secured against the ground and paid back from future earnings. Pretty typical for development projects, albeit made somewhat harder over the last few months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:40:35
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.

We operate very much like a non league club to be honest. Whats with the club shop being open 10-4 so that those of us that work have no option to call in before or after work. Can’t believe that the week new kit launches and season tickets ready to collect the club shop shut on a Saturday morning. As someone with many years of retail management in a previous life I find the retail side of the club very poor all around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:53:36
Thanks for confirming the shop is shut. I won't bother on my way home now.

Shoestring in many ways. But I suppose it'll be open for our friendlies


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:56:01
Maybe the club should have a stall outside Supermarine on Wednesday!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 12:58:41
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.
The other thing to consider is how other clubs manage it. We’re in a no worse financial position than many other clubs that have redeveloped.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 13:08:10
I thought there was a legal timescale for work to begin, otherwise the CG reverts back to SBC

I believe that works has to start on a project of at least £1m within 3 years or the council can buy the CG back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 14:17:46
On funding the development, a good starting point is the legal separation created with the Managing Company, as well as it being a joint venture.  Means the risk of loaning a football club money is minimised.

Capital investments are always fundable - just depends on the terms and the long term affordability.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 14:29:44
I believe that works has to start on a project of at least £1m within 3 years or the council can buy the CG back.
Which I can never see happening, just imagine the optics of a financially pressured local authority spunking a few million on a Football ground, the political fall outs would be hilarious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 14:51:11
We operate very much like a non league club to be honest. Whats with the club shop being open 10-4 so that those of us that work have no option to call in before or after work. Can’t believe that the week new kit launches and season tickets ready to collect the club shop shut on a Saturday morning. As someone with many years of retail management in a previous life I find the retail side of the club very poor all around.
We operate the same as most other league 2 club  :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 15:06:38
We operate the same as most other league 2 club  :eek:

Out of interest, I googled 7 other league 2 clubs at random - Salford, Bradford, Stockport, Harrogate, Notts County, Grimsby and Wimbledon.

I'm relying on the accuracy of Google so it may not be right, but only Grimsby appear to have their club shop closed on a Saturday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 15:34:27
We operate the same as most other league 2 club  :eek:
What ?,  on a shoestring ?.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 15:35:11
What ?,  on a shoestring ?.
No a G string...


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 15:38:05
No a G string...
More like it !


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 15:40:05
No a G string...
Cheeky!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:12:24
We operate the same as most other league 2 club  :eek:

I disagree. Not being open on a Saturday kit launch week is a missed sales opportunity. Even if open for 4 hours would have made a difference. Let’s assume 2 staff on minimum wage at 4 hours each that’s probably £100 tops, also assuming the club operates on a profit margin somewhere between 10-15% on the replica kit you can easily see that in this particular week with kit launching and fans collecting season tickets the shop would easily made a healthy turnover, even if it was just a once off occasion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:22:28
I disagree. Not being open on a Saturday kit launch week is a missed sales opportunity. Even if open for 4 hours would have made a difference. Let’s assume 2 staff on minimum wage at 4 hours each that’s probably £100 tops, also assuming the club operates on a profit margin somewhere between 10-15% on the replica kit you can easily see that in this particular week with kit launching and fans collecting season tickets the shop would easily made a healthy turnover, even if it was just a once off occasion.
But, the counter argument is that those who would have bought it on kit launch day will still buy it when the shop opens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:26:05
I disagree. Not being open on a Saturday kit launch week is a missed sales opportunity. Even if open for 4 hours would have made a difference. Let’s assume 2 staff on minimum wage at 4 hours each that’s probably £100 tops, also assuming the club operates on a profit margin somewhere between 10-15% on the replica kit you can easily see that in this particular week with kit launching and fans collecting season tickets the shop would easily made a healthy turnover, even if it was just a once off occasion.
Have it on good authority that the profit margin is closer to 40/50% on shirts
Not a problem, happy to pay those prices whilst the profits get ploughed back into the club.
As you say, an opportunity missed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:27:33
But, the counter argument is that those who would have bought it on kit launch day will still buy it when the shop opens.

Maybe. I think the likelihood is there will be a max scramble first home game and the usual sold out of the popular sizes very quickly. I guess I just need to take my retail head off and accept that the club would rather sell online.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:29:58
Maybe Don Rogers could also sell them in his shop in conjunction with the club!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:33:39
Have it on good authority that the profit margin is closer to 40/50% on shirts
Not a problem, happy to pay those prices whilst the profits get ploughed back into the club.
As you say, an opportunity missed.

Whilst I can’t quickly provide evidence, I do recall in distant times when the club shop was open Saturday’s pre season irrespective if there was a game or not. Also remember the days when a season was drawing to a close the club would show a potential of 3 or 4 home shirts for the fans to vote. As horrendous as this season’s shirt is I’ll still buy it as I do every season and put it in the wardrobe along with the rest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:35:00
Maybe Don Rogers could also sell them in his shop in conjunction with the club!

For a year or two we used to with JJB Sports when they had a store at Greenbridge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:35:37
For a year or two we used to with JJB Sports when they had a store at Greenbridge.

It definitely seems an opportunity missed locally


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:36:10
Maybe. I think the likelihood is there will be a max scramble first home game and the usual sold out of the popular sizes very quickly. I guess I just need to take my retail head off and accept that the club would rather sell online.
Someone at the club needs to sit down and work out the average annual sales and order this amount (probably plus a few more due to loss of sales due sell outs and people that can’t be bothered queuing twice) in one go.
Surely that would mean costs would reduce rather than manufacturing a few at a time plus most people could get one before they have the chance to change their mind.  Not too difficult surely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:40:50
For a year or two we used to with JJB Sports when they had a store at Greenbridge.

….don’t remember JJB doing them but remember birthdays(?) in Town doing them upstairs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:42:44
Im still keen to find out how we can afford to redevelop the ground when everything else at the club is run on an absolute shoestring at the moment.

I expect very similar to how you bought your house*
Long term loan(s)

* unless you inherited or don’t have a house or rent or squat etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:46:17
I think even House of Frasier sold some stuff one year. remember buying a training top from there.

It is a bit of a pain to get to the shop with county road fucked tbh. presumably the magic roundabout gate is open?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:49:09
Was open when I picked up my STs yesterday


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 16:56:06
….don’t remember JJB doing them but remember birthdays(?) in Town doing them upstairs

Owned by Bryan Robson, hence the football gear upstairs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 17:43:53
ah, great, thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, July 1, 2023, 19:35:10
Whilst I can’t quickly provide evidence, I do recall in distant times when the club shop was open Saturday’s pre season irrespective if there was a game or not. Also remember the days when a season was drawing to a close the club would show a potential of 3 or 4 home shirts for the fans to vote. As horrendous as this season’s shirt is I’ll still buy it as I do every season and put it in the wardrobe along with the rest.

I was trying to find some of the other options online a few days ago but I couldn't. This was under Strikeforce. I remember the black and gold stripes was definitely a vote.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 06:44:24
I disagree. Not being open on a Saturday kit launch week is a missed sales opportunity. Even if open for 4 hours would have made a difference. Let’s assume 2 staff on minimum wage at 4 hours each that’s probably £100 tops, also assuming the club operates on a profit margin somewhere between 10-15% on the replica kit you can easily see that in this particular week with kit launching and fans collecting season tickets the shop would easily made a healthy turnover, even if it was just a once off occasion.

Interesting bit in the Mail on how little the big clubs make on shirts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 08:52:56
Cost £8 to make do they? So why are they available delivered from China for about £13 on DHGate? Even that it over estimated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:37:37
Rumours Marcus Cassidy has left.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:40:35
Twitter/Facebook or word of mouth? Would be odd given we have clearly backed his dept financially. But this club is odd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:45:27
Rumours Marcus Cassidy has left.

Where have you seen this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:49:01
Mentioned in the Adver comments and another poster he’d read similar on FB or sumsuch.

Probably need a large pinch of salt, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:52:00
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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:54:48
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Couple old wind bags who love the sound of their own keyboards.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:55:34
Do they post on here too?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 10:58:39
Do they post on here too?

Have opinions on pretty much anything and everything the Thinking Man’s Beano print and love winding up other posters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:07:45
Is this based on the fact he hasn't posted any of his pitch updates since 25th June?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:08:52
Marcus has posted on FB this morning.. "new journey ' so maybe that behind the rumour not sure what is going on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:10:44
Prison or Rehab?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:11:13
Marcus has posted on FB this morning.. "new journey ' so maybe that behind the rumour not sure what is going on.

Could be anything really but I think you can understand why fans might read into that he has left.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:13:00
I have spoken with Marcus and all i can say is i think if people could give him a bit of space at the moment he would really benefit from that in the next few weeks. Theres no real blame here

He knows i am posting this by the way


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:17:07
Hope he’s well.
He’s a genuinely a really good bloke, who unfortunately has his demons. Hopefully he’s able to keep his head up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:17:50
We or most of us know that Marcus has struggled personally with certain things and these have been reported publicly several times.

He's a fantastically talented groundskeeper and the club has consistently stood by him - even when he could easily have lost his job.

What is most important though, is that Marcus' health comes first. Same goes for all of us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 11:50:20
Quote from: DMC
I have spoken with Marcus and all i can say is i think if people could give him a bit of space at the moment he would really benefit from that in the next few weeks. Theres no real blame here

He knows i am posting this by the way

fair enough.

I may be reading too much into it, but if it is due to the old demons surfacing I hope he can somehow overcome and recover.

good luck to him whatever


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 14:24:13
Prison or Rehab?

Bit strong that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 15:52:18
Hope he’s well.
He’s a genuinely a really good bloke, who unfortunately has his demons. Hopefully he’s able to keep his head up.

Well said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 2, 2023, 16:59:07
Bit strong that.

Not a bit strong, fucking disgusting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Monday, July 3, 2023, 09:23:42
Assume that means he is still around but needs time to get his head straight, or has he left the club (by choice or at stfc request) and needs time before starting a new journey elsewhere ?

Who looks after the ground while he is having time and space ? surely pre season is a key time for the pitch ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: harrisonaw on Monday, July 3, 2023, 09:51:51
Assume that means he is still around but needs time to get his head straight, or has he left the club (by choice or at stfc request) and needs time before starting a new journey elsewhere ?

Who looks after the ground while he is having time and space ? surely pre season is a key time for the pitch ?

Didn't he have a younger lad helping him out / learning the ropes? Can't remember his name but seen him posting on twitter a few times last season maybe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, July 3, 2023, 10:26:49
You would like to think that Marcus had a plan drawn up for the next few weeks that the rest of the staff could follow.

Hopefully by then he’s ok to return (assuming that he’s taking a short break) or they can get someone experienced to come in and help out


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, July 3, 2023, 10:35:31
Club could just contract out pitch maintenance.
Plenty of professional companies out there.
It's not something that the club can afford to cut corners on after some possibly not insignificant outlay already.
Looks as if most of the main work has been done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, July 3, 2023, 10:38:24
Club could just contract out pitch maintenance.
Plenty of professional companies out there.
It's not something that the club can afford to cut corners on after some possibly not insignificant outlay already.
Looks as if most of the main work has been done.

I imagine it will be as it's specialist job maintaining grass to a good standard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Berniman on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:22:27
It's none of our business what is going on with him really, just need to trust that the club has got it in hand whatever the circumstance


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 12:02:09
I know I’ve been away from ‘Swindon in the flesh’ for quite a while, but I’m really looking forward to the new season.

Don’t know how long that’ll last, though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 3, 2023, 12:07:41
End of August?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 12:10:22
That’s what I was thinking!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, July 3, 2023, 12:10:45
I know I’ve been away from ‘Swindon in the flesh’ for quite a while, but I’m really looking forward to the new season.

Don’t know how long that’ll last, though!
About 5.00pm on the 5th August if not sooner if it's anything like last season's opener...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 19:35:48
Anyone know what this means. Shareholding 13



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 20:06:56
Is that not just our 'share' in the football league?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 06:27:09
Is that not just our 'share' in the football league?
It is just the updated confirmation statement lodged with companies house, the changes being clubs like Rochdale and Luton no longer have a share, but clubs like Southampton and Wrexham do. Nothing to see here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 15:15:08
That is the football league 'Golden share' that is often referred to, that get's taken away the clubs a goner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 16:17:42
Two years in, shall we review Clem's 'minimum aims'?

build a sustainable Championship club

to own the County ground 50-50 with the fans [Thank you Nigel Eady]

to very significantly improve and fully modernise the County Ground

to find and fully develop our own training ground

to have the best academy outside of the Premier League

to have a young first team with high-quality players that have come through the academy

to have a fan base that is growing and where as many as possible of the children in the town and surrounding communities are Swindon fans and their heroes are Swindon players


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 16:26:34
There are many things that i am unimpressed with so far, best that list is more long term stuff so a bit harsh to judge yet.

Can Clem/the club finance it? Going to be a challenge


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 16:35:44
Two years in, shall we review Clem's 'minimum aims'?

build a sustainable Championship club - Not really sure you can judge this after 2 years. Had we gone up under Garner via the play-offs then i'd say we'd probably have made good progress.

to own the County ground 50-50 with the fans [Thank you Nigel Eady] - Job well done.

to very significantly improve and fully modernise the County Ground - I guess this is part of the one above and hopefully within 3 years we should probably see significant progress, or at least some cohesive plans.

to find and fully develop our own training ground - I mean, this is probably a fail. There has been absolutely nothing stated. Have we even done any 'looking'. Perhaps that's why Zav was in Pakistan for so long, arf.

to have the best academy outside of the Premier League - I mean this one is pretty moon on a stick territory.

to have a young first team with high-quality players that have come through the academy - ish. We do have a young first team and the academy did pretty well last season. Kanu, Minturn and Jaxon Brown are there or thereabouts in the squad. Not sure they are high-quality but there are small signs this one might happen.

to have a fan base that is growing and where as many as possible of the children in the town and surrounding communities are Swindon fans and their heroes are Swindon players - I'd say this is possibly on track. The club does seem to be in favour with the kids, they seemed to enjoy the open training session and to be fair, I think the club are doing better in their community work. Fan numbers remain pretty good (shows blind loyalty in many cases)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 16:56:37
I'm glad you edited that BO. Was beginning to think you'd joined SAQ FC {shit at quoting' FC}  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 16:58:47
Two years in, shall we review Clem's 'minimum aims'?

build a sustainable Championship club

to own the County ground 50-50 with the fans [Thank you Nigel Eady]

to very significantly improve and fully modernise the County Ground

to find and fully develop our own training ground

to have the best academy outside of the Premier League

to have a young first team with high-quality players that have come through the academy

to have a fan base that is growing and where as many as possible of the children in the town and surrounding communities are Swindon fans and their heroes are Swindon players
I would be interested to see what you think and if you think 2 years is long enough to judge them.

Day to day runnings and other things we can question as we all know the comms, the shop and plenty of other areas need looking at and improving straight away but not sure we can on those things.

Said it before and i say it again but surely people can read between the lines, you all post daily that there are clearly other influences at the club at times so maybe people like Clem and Rob are the ones keeping it on the straight and narrow and ensuring it is run better than it would be if they were not there

Just think at times we need to be careful we don't push the wrong people


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:13:12
Two years in, shall we review Clem's 'minimum aims'?

build a sustainable Championship club

to own the County ground 50-50 with the fans [Thank you Nigel Eady]

to very significantly improve and fully modernise the County Ground

to find and fully develop our own training ground

to have the best academy outside of the Premier League

to have a young first team with high-quality players that have come through the academy

to have a fan base that is growing and where as many as possible of the children in the town and surrounding communities are Swindon fans and their heroes are Swindon players

Not fair to judge this after 2 years.

People need to stop putting the ground purchase entirely on Eady. Sure what he has provided has been awesome, but to be able to use that money Clem had to clear the debenture right? He has put in millions, or loaned at least, millions. Without the Eady money would never have been an option because of the strict structures around that trust.

I think they significantly under estimated the state of the current CG. A lot of money is having to be spent just to get it up to code, which isn't really anything to shout about, but goes someway to 'improving and modernising'.

Some of these were always pie in the sky, the best academy outside the premier league is laughable, almost as much as a sustainable championship club. Are there any long term sustainable championship clubs?

The one thing that really matters as always is success on the pitch. After a huge first season, that fell at the last hurdle, sadly things have gone backwards. People are rightly angsty about it at the moment as well. Lets wait and see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:38:03
It is hard to shake the feeling that we are in managed decline.

We either need news of major investment in the CG or some marquee signings to dispel the lingering smell of death around the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:41:10
Fuck sake, at least wait until we’ve played 10 games or so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:42:40
My only issue with a managed decline is how does clem benefir from that? He isn't making money and infact loses money with us so why would it be in his interest to manage a decline


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:43:54
What do we class as a marquee signing these days. I see someone class 35 year old david mgoldrick as that the other day


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:44:10
My only issue with a managed decline is how does clem benefir from that? He isn't making money and infact loses money with us so why would it be in his interest to manage a decline

Reduce spending to a minimum whilst trying to flip the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:46:11
Fuck sake, at least wait until we’ve played 10 games or so.

We've played over 100 under Clem's ownership!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:51:04
I hate to say it, but I think there is at least 10 years of this to come. The ground redevelopment will increase our revenue in the long term if all goes to plan, however we have to pay for it somehow. Can only see us tightening our belts in the foreseeable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:53:02
I guess the the limit in question though Riddick would be how long do we wait and see? I imagine that will be different for all...there maybe some consensus on what is deemed a similar timescale to wait until? Of course, consensus isn't always correct but do we look at this again at EOY3, EOY4, or EOY5?

 Town COULD be a Championship club by EOY5 but could just as easily be National League as well. I think that might be where the worry is. Especially whilst still in L2. These times were those years that Reg effectively kept on foreshadowing regards evading the 'Football League trapdoor'.

I guess a pessimist would look towards the non-league club status and the optimist would look towards the Championship club status - I'm sure a good chunk probably fall somewhere in the middle. Maybe slightly upper than where we are or stagnating here currently.

I'll hedge that by EOY5 Town will be a League One club BUT not challenging yet. Although by EOY5 I do expect Town have some kind of infrastructure that allows them to challenge and maybe the ground is close to some kind of completion. At least those things should at a bare minimum should be underway.

By that reckoning I would say whilst not challenging at that point the club would still be in a better place than it was with Power. I would then expect this to give the club the confidence to make a charge at promotion in League One and elevate to Championship clb status. The earliest I can realistically see this is EOY6 or EOY7; and that's being generous.

NB: Mooneyraker opening up this series of questions, based on the ambitions/aims of the current board is quite a good thing. It has got us talking and discussing any potential club prospects in the right kind of way without too much discourse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:54:21
I guess the the limit in question though Riddick would be how long do we wait and see? I imagine that will be different for all...there maybe some consensus on what is deemed a similar timescale to wait until? Of course, consensus isn't always correct but do we look at this again at EOY3, EOY4, or EOY5?

 Town COULD be a Championship club by EOY5 but could just as easily be National League as well. I think that might be where the worry is. Especially whilst still in L2. These times were those years that Reg effectively kept on foreshadowing regards evading the 'Football League trapdoor'.

I guess a pessimist would look towards the non-league club status and the optimist would look towards the Championship club status - I'm sure a good chunk probably fall somewhere in the middle. Maybe slightly upper than where we are or stagnating here currently.

I'll hedge that by EOY5 Town will be a League One club BUT not challenging yet. Although by EOY5 I do expect Town have some kind of infrastructure that allows them to challenge and maybe the ground is close to some kind of completion. At least those things should at a bare minimum should be underway.

By that reckoning I would say whilst not challenging at that point the club would still be in a better place than it was with Power. I would then expect this to give the club the confidence to make a charge at promotion in League One and elevate to Championship clb status. The earliest I can realistically see this is EOY6 or EOY7; and that's being generous.

NB: Mooneyraker opening up this series of questions, based on the ambitions/aims of the current board is quite a good thing. It has got us talking and discussing any potential club prospects in the right kind of way without too much discourse.

Thanks!  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 17:55:31
It is hard to shake the feeling that we are in managed decline.

We either need news of major investment in the CG or some marquee signings to dispel the lingering smell of death around the club.

But a marquee signing in one season won't really determine the long term fortunes of the club or necessarily bring about a good model of sustainability. It could bring short term success/relief but this doesn't bring longevity. One Swallow, Summer and all that  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:00:03
But a marquee signing in one season won't really determine the long term fortunes of the club or necessarily bring about a good model of sustainability. It could bring short term success/relief but this doesn't bring longevity. One Swallow, Summer and all that  :)

Totally, that's why I've used the plural! I want a gulp of swallows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:05:12
I hate to say it, but I think there is at least 10 years of this to come. The ground redevelopment will increase our revenue in the long term if all goes to plan, however we have to pay for it somehow. Can only see us tightening our belts in the foreseeable.

Actually, the ground ownership model means the clubs has minimal risk on the line with the Ground development, directly.  The Joint Venture owns the property and is responsible for the Redevelopment, based on what has been released thus far.  They would seek the necessary capital finance to do work and price that into any rent they charge the club - so that's where the indirect cost appears, but at an agreed level which has a starting point below that which we paid the Council each year.

Looking at the Gillingham example I came across earlier, even owning the Leashold to the CG, with any sort of Planning Permission or development, could very well add a significant asset to the clubs books, and Clem also gets 50% of the freehold value to play with.  It was also mentioned the plan is to use his firm for a lot of the works, so he gets to spend the money they finance via his own company, earning back his loans I imagine.  I would not be surprised to see the contracts for development signed with Axis and a few months or year or so later, Clem has his exit plan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:12:07
I guess the the limit in question though Riddick would be how long do we wait and see? I imagine that will be different for all...there maybe some consensus on what is deemed a similar timescale to wait until? Of course, consensus isn't always correct but do we look at this again at EOY3, EOY4, or EOY5?

That's a very fair question.

I think the problem is most fans want the owner to invest, build the team, move through the leagues and then for the infrastructure to follow. This is essentially a gamble, and what has been tried many times before. Its what we did in the days under Black/DiCanio. Thats how i think most fans see this going. And it has some merit, on the field success ultimately builds everything else.

What they are trying to do at the moment is sustainably build the club, so its not a gamble or a risk. The downside is if income drops, then costs drop, and we have the sort of issues people worry about right now, which is becoming an average league 2 club. However morally this is probably the right thing for a club thats been in Admin twice before? Its far less glamourous, is probably a lot slower unless you are great at identifying and recruiting talent (something year 1 under Clem was close to being very good at).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:16:17
Totally, that's why I've used the plural! I want a gulp of swallows.

The point still stands though when talking about long term objectives. Yes those might bare success in the short term but you need more than a one of season. In some ways, and with hindsight, it feels like the Wellens promotion season really was a one off. I want Town out of League Two as much as most of us do but I don't want it to be a spike on the chart.

Currently, Town aren't going to sign marquee or even tent acquisitions on a three year deal or even a two plus one deal. There might be the odd fixed two year with a clause to extend if objectives met by both parties but we're looking at several one year deals. By this I mean it with any so called ''marquee'' signings - I don't mean it for squad players or a academy graduate being offered their first deal.

So where does that stand in terms of player sustainability? That's quite a difficult thing to achieve at this level as it's such a cyclical and recyclable market. At League One that can change a bit and Championship of course a totally different animal. But Club sustainability can be entirely different/seperate to Player sustainability and its here where I want to see the most progress.

There won't be too much need to market or sell the club to players/agents/managers et al if you've already laid down the tracks for them. Effectively - build it and they will come...eventually. It's just that currently and realistically, Town just aren't that much of an attractive club right now - in many departments. That's down to the board {Clem and Rob} to bring that change about. Question...have they between them got the nous and benjamins in order to do so? My answer would be, not yet or we w/don't know until further down the timeline. My head is prepared to come back to this in another two to three years and see how it compares from the here and now. My heart genuinely feels like the board currently need some help both financially and professionally in achieving whatever they are setting out to do. Without actioning or sourcing that help, I feel like it'll become the ever largening elephant in a very small boardroom. Let's hope that they are and we can see the fruits of it further down the line.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:18:55

Clem also gets 50% of the freehold value to play with.  It was also mentioned the plan is to use his firm for a lot of the works, so he gets to spend the money they finance via his own company, earning back his loans I imagine.  I would not be surprised to see the contracts for development signed with Axis and a few months or year or so later, Clem has his exit plan.


I could be totally wrong but I swear I remember an interview where Clem distinctly said that his company would not work on the County Ground stadia  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:20:21
Fuck sake, at least wait until we’ve played 10 games or so.

I'm not saying we'll be shit this year. But this was said 100 times last year when people were saying this loads last year when it was obvious we weren't up to it and were in for a shit season.

Then 10 games came and people said can't count cup games.

Then 10 league games came and people were saying were still near the play offs when we were drawing games we should have been pumped in.

Tired of being devil advocated to death. If people think we look like we're going to be shit, sometimes they're on to something.

This season, the jury is out big time. Would be nice to be making as many signings as swindon wildcats or the women's team this week though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:21:43
I'm not saying we'll be shit this year. But this was said 100 times last year when people were saying this loads last year when it was obvious we weren't up to it and were in for a shit season.

Then 10 games came and people said can't count cup games.

Then 10 league games came and people were saying were still near the play offs when we were drawing games we should have been pumped in.

Tired of being devil advocated to death. If people think we look like we're going to be shit, sometimes they're on to something.

This season, the jury is out big time. Would be nice to be making as many signings as swindon wildcats or the women's team this week though.

Great post


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:22:24
I could be totally wrong but I swear I remember an interview where Clem distinctly said that his company would not work on the County Ground stadia  :hmmm:

He's said they won't necessarily be, but they could be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:23:52
Top post.

People should be wary of repeating Hanners' early season "if you can't see that this team is class then you don't understand football" type of post from last year that aged like warm milky vomit in the sun.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:27:49
Agree we definetly need work on the squad. I have said all summer if we only sign the same calibre as we did last summer with no real experience then i will be worried.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:32:04

That's a very fair question.

What they are trying to do at the moment is sustainably build the club, so its not a gamble or a risk. The downside is if income drops, then costs drop, and we have the sort of issues people worry about right now, which is becoming an average league 2 club. However morally this is probably the right thing for a club thats been in Admin twice before? Its far less glamourous, is probably a lot slower unless you are great at identifying and recruiting talent (something year 1 under Clem was close to being very good at).


I think this sounds about right and it's probably part of the problem. Could it be that the current board are trying to run STFC ''too much'' like any other business. Where normally those models might work, football clubs are bottomless pits or as I like to say '...are akin to buying a boat'. You have to perpetually pump money in...even if  the club is somewhat or trying to be ''sustainable''. There are very few clubs across the league structure who are genuinely self sustained. Everyone just about owes something to someone else. Nothing wrong with that too much if you have the guaranteed working capital/investment like the bigger clubs. You can ''afford'' to be in multi millions of debt owing. Smaller clubs, it only takes not even a million of ''real'' money to send them into liquidation.

To bring that i, another question in some ways is - by trying to run STFC much like any normal business and striving for sustainable purity, does this mean Town actually run the risk of not being able to move forwards at all {or very much}? Further, does this mean that there is an element of slowly drifting backwards whilst feeling secure?

I suppose what I mean by that is, we may have a sustainable club and there is no danger of it going out of business but does this come with the ''risk'' of Town becoming a team that regularly plays in the National League South - say in twenty years time? I think I can understand elements of Mooneyrakers initial concerns regarding '...managed decline'. As much as getting promoted from League Two is a realistic prospect {at some point hopefully}, we have to be aware that relegation from League Two is also a realistic prospect as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:34:01
I'm not saying we'll be shit this year. But this was said 100 times last year when people were saying this loads last year when it was obvious we weren't up to it and were in for a shit season.

Then 10 games came and people said can't count cup games.

Then 10 league games came and people were saying were still near the play offs when we were drawing games we should have been pumped in.

Tired of being devil advocated to death. If people think we look like we're going to be shit, sometimes they're on to something.

This season, the jury is out big time. Would be nice to be making as many signings as swindon wildcats or the women's team this week though.
Yet Clem’s first season, under umbongo, was widely expected to be a relegation fight. Could, and should, have got to the PO Final at least. Seeing the squad churn last season it was all starting from scratch again. We signed, and paid money for, a handful of players under the weird recruitment plan of Sandro et al. Obviously it all went to shit under the dubious management of Lindsey and Morris. I’m placing my faith, unfounded if you like, on the rump of last years squad improving under different and, hopefully, more pragmatic management.

That’s why I said give it 10 games.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:36:12
This is what gave me a hint that Axis would be involved, in the June AB Minutes:

 "Anthony Hall, UK Axis MD, is leading on the redevelopment
for STFC. Expecting initial feasibility study by the end of the
Summer which will be discussed and shared with Supporters
Trust"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:38:26
He's said they won't necessarily be, but they could be.

Fair enough but I thought I distinctly heard Clem state that Axis wouldn't be used for it. In any case, that's still very different to what Rob T stated:


and Clem also gets 50% of the freehold value to play with. It was also mentioned the plan is to use his firm for a lot of the works, so he gets to spend the money they finance via his own company, earning back his loans I imagine.  I would not be surprised to see the contracts for development signed with Axis and a few months or year or so later, Clem has his exit plan.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:42:12
Sure I saw more than that as well, but can't find it quickly, so I may be fibbing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:42:41

This is what gave me a hint that Axis would be involved, in the June AB Minutes:

 "Anthony Hall, UK Axis MD, is leading on the redevelopment
for STFC. Expecting initial feasibility study by the end of the
Summer which will be discussed and shared with Supporters
Trust"


I'd not seen this but for whatever reason {I am going off an interview with Clem, maybe it was an OSC OTS chat or something}, that is also very different from what was previously said by Clem. Of course, these things can change and it wasn't doubting of yourself, more the doubting of the words the Chairman said.

If I can find them transcribed somewhere I will but again, and as I said these comments obviously can change.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:44:08
At the very root of it all (and this is an extremely blinkered view without taking note of the obvious external factors), I’m just tired of being reduced to a club that’s expectations have dropped down to hoping to get a play off place in League Two.

I can’t speak for anyone else but even with taking note of the external factors and being understanding of them, it’s still a very depressing fact and is probably the root of my negative feeling at the minute. If the rest of the fanbase are similar then I can understand why they’re in a position where they can’t win, they’re seemingly trying to do the right things but whilst we’re loitering down here, they’ll never be able to kill that negative atmosphere.

For example the survey they sent around to garner ideas to improve the match day atmosphere and introduce things like singing sections. Whilst I applaud them for trying, I feel they’re just on a hiding to nothing with it. The atmosphere will always be poor if we’re failing to compete properly in League Two.

I do feel for the hierarchy in that sense but can see both sides.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:44:31
Sure I saw more than that as well, but can't find it quickly, so I may be fibbing.


See above RE my own struggle to find said discussion by Clem  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 18:54:57
Yet Clem’s first season, under umbongo, was widely expected to be a relegation fight. Could, and should, have got to the PO Final at least. Seeing the squad churn last season it was all starting from scratch again. We signed, and paid money for, a handful of players under the weird recruitment plan of Sandro et al. Obviously it all went to shit under the dubious management of Lindsey and Morris. I’m placing my faith, unfounded if you like, on the rump of last years squad improving under different and, hopefully, more pragmatic management.

That’s why I said give it 10 games.

Yeah but you could see the quality we were bringing in with the likes of Jonny Williams, etc. The circumstances and lack of proper preseason with the players dictated we shouldn't expect much, but even then you had reason for quiet optimism.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 19:08:26
Angus MacDonald and Luke Jephcott were both serious statement signings last season, they just didn't actually end up playing very well. We wasted a lot of money last season. The Garner season we maybe got lucky maybe Chorley was great but basically every single signing worked out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 19:56:46
Angus MacDonald and Luke Jephcott were both serious statement signings last season, they just didn't actually end up playing very well. We wasted a lot of money last season. The Garner season we maybe got lucky maybe Chorley was great but basically every single signing worked out.
I agree mate and it really is a big thing that many fans keep overlooking. We spent money last season and quite alot of it the problem is some of it was on absolute shit and the management was just awful on and off the pitch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 19:57:50
I agree mate and it really is a big thing that many fans keep overlooking. We spent money last season and quite alot of it the problem is some of it was on absolute shit and the management was just awful on and off the pitch.

I've made the point a fair bit that we spunked a good budget into a rotten sock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 20:00:23
I’m sure the whole Morris/Brand fiasco wasn’t cheap. They wouldn’t have come here on peanuts and they wouldn’t have left without any financial compensation…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 20:15:29
I’m sure the whole Morris/Brand fiasco wasn’t cheap. They wouldn’t have come here on peanuts and they wouldn’t have left without any financial compensation…

Which makes you think something catastrophic must have happened behind the scenes...

The results were bad but you could convince yourself that it was worth giving Morris/Brand a window and preseason, particularly if you were money conscious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 20:47:55
Ricky McFarlane fitness guy has left the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 20:55:21
Ricky McFarlane fitness guy has left the club

He was part of definitely-not-a-Director-or-anything Adam Hart's third party set up, so no surprise.

I think in one of the AB minutes we said that that was coming back in-house.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 7, 2023, 06:08:36
Which makes you think something catastrophic must have happened behind the scenes...

The results were bad but you could convince yourself that it was worth giving Morris/Brand a window and preseason, particularly if you were money conscious.
Yeah must have been the clubs fault and not him being a monumental cunt


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 7, 2023, 06:22:43
Allegedly he hung himself less than 3 weeks into his tenure and it was just a case of ‘when’



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Friday, July 7, 2023, 06:23:44
Allegedly he hung himself less than 3 weeks into his tenure and it was just a case of ‘when’


How so?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 7, 2023, 06:40:21
I will stress this is all stuff that’s travelled through the grapevine and could be seriously distorted at best and completely bollocks at worst.

…but Morris came in & a few weeks in basically said the squad was shit and had no hope of the play offs at all & would be lucky to finish top half.

Evidently the that’s exactly what came to fruition.
On that basis some might say Morris was absolutely spot on.
Other might say that it was Morris ineptitude that allowed his own prediction to come true.

I don’t think anyone expected last seasons squad to go up or even make the play offs but think there was enough there to at least be in the race for them till later on in the season.

Could all be bollocks. The above (if true) probably didn’t endear him to his new employers but let’s not over complicate everything. The results were absolute fucking garbage & I personally would have got rid of him for those alone (and long before STFC actually did)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, July 7, 2023, 07:06:59
Yeah must have been the clubs fault and not him being a monumental cunt

Where on earth have I said that it was the club's fault? I've said something catastrophic must have happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 7, 2023, 07:10:37
Based on your posts Mooney you can’t blame me for assuming that was your thought process, obviously apologies if not


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 7, 2023, 07:28:04
Where on earth have I said that it was the club's fault? I've said something catastrophic must have happened.

Yeah, losing every week…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, July 7, 2023, 07:33:10
No worries.

Whilst I wasn't being in this instance, I hate being negative about the club but the last few years have ground me down.

I just wish that owners under-promised and over delivered, and that is where Clem has gone massively wrong IMO (aside from surrounding himself with Britain's Most Wanted).

I'm just exhausted by the bullshit (Karachi, best Academy outside the Prem, sustainable in the Championship etc etc) when they can't do things that your local non-league side can: run an e-commerce offering, manage a queue at a turnstile, don't nickel and dime loyal fans because you draw a big side in the cup, answer a phone, serve decent food and drink, take a credit card payment on £800+ of season tickets and give you confidence that that payment has actually gone through and that you'll have your ticket etc etc.

At this point I just feel like an abused housewife. You get treated like shit, constantly lied to and let down but you just love it so much that you can't walk away...!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 7, 2023, 07:47:34
I’d imagine most clubs’ ambitions in the lower leagues mirror ours also without the wherewithal to actually achieve it - Karachi aside!

I had no problem paying for my STs by credit card - albeit in person.

I know it’s no excuse but it’s not just us. Power got us nowhere even with Standing’s supposed millions.

You never know, this season may surprise you. All the background guff disappears when you’re winning!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, July 7, 2023, 07:59:54
I’d imagine most clubs’ ambitions in the lower leagues mirror ours also without the wherewithal to actually achieve it - Karachi aside!

I had no problem paying for my STs by credit card - albeit in person.

I know it’s no excuse but it’s not just us. Power got us nowhere even with Standing’s supposed millions.

You never know, this season may surprise you. All the background guff disappears when you’re winning!

Sadly not an option for many...

And it isn't even about the winning for me. If it was, I'm not sure any of us would have stuck with it!



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:03:24

At this point I just feel like an abused housewife. You get treated like shit, constantly lied to and let down but you just love it so much that you can't walk away...!

That is exactly how I feel at the moment.

Years ago I lived with a girl who I fell out of love with and every time she said something I just pitied her and felt angry,  that is how I feel about STFC at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: welshred on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:05:31
Someone said previously that if we're looking at the likes of Demetriou then we would be struggling this season may be forgetting that was the calibre of player Flynn had at Newport when he got them into the play-offs. A decent manager who knows what he's doing and can pull a solid team together can make a huge difference.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:08:38
If the football is effecting you that much, take a break - walk away. Genuinely, do it.

I hit that wall when Paul Hart was appointed. Binning my season ticket was probably one of the best things I did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:14:36
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/apr/24/watford-season-ticket-fans-pozzo

I read this a couple of months ago and it made me think a bit. Distance makes it not a relevant conversation for me, but it might be of more interest to others.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:15:57
Yeah, I had to abandon the Covid/Sheridactyl year as it was just misery upon misery!

This time around it is more the crushing realisation that the 'dream' that Clem sold is just that... From the euphoric high of Power leaving to the absolute shame of seeing a convicted drugs money launderer hobnobbing with Government ministers in the FCDO on behalf of the club, it has been a slow, gnawing, ever growing sense that we are holed below the waterline.

I've largely just got round to enjoying the more important things about going: the routine with friends and family etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:21:29
Yeah, I had to abandon the Covid/Sheridactyl year as it was just misery upon misery!

This time around it is more the crushing realisation that the 'dream' that Clem sold is just that... From the euphoric high of Power leaving to the absolute shame of seeing a convicted drugs money launderer hobnobbing with Government ministers in the FCDO on behalf of the club, it has been a slow, gnawing, ever growing sense that we are holed below the waterline.

I've largely just got round to enjoying the more important things about going: the routine with friends and family etc.

Truthfully I reckon that’s what keeps most of us going. It’s definitely not the winning, we all wouldn’t be supporting Swindon if that was the case. The routine of meeting up with friends/family at the pub pre match is usually the best bit of the day, it’s just a bonus if the football ends up being decent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 7, 2023, 08:29:41
There’s way too much angst. There’s fuck all anybody can do change anything so why bother plucking your pubes and making your eyes run.

See you all tomorrow!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:11:01
I do think and i mean this in the nicest way but if it's getting to a stage where you are comparing it to how you used to hate your ex or a abusove relationship it's honestly better to just nip it in the bud


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:16:57
Thank you for your concern but I’m just shooting the shit on a forum, which I thought was the main effort here.

There does seem to be a view that anyone negative needs to “step away” which feels like the lingering effect of the Stockholm Syndrome suffered by most during Power’s reign of terror.

Negativity isn’t trolling. There’s a difference.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:21:09
Thank you for your concern but I’m just shooting the shit on a forum, which I thought was the main effort here.

There does seem to be a view that anyone negative needs to “step away” which feels like the lingering effect of the Stockholm Syndrome suffered by most during Power’s reign of terror.

Negativity isn’t trolling. There’s a difference.

I think in the nicest possible way that the moral high ground rather fucked off and left when you started accusing anyone who didn't agree with your incessant negative postings about the present regime at the club of being a happy clapper. Its a two way street old chap.

I'm probably lucky insofar as being 200+ miles away I am likley less invested, but the way that people get so angry and miserable about sport baffles me, if it has such a bad effect on you walk away, spend time with the family, watch homes under the hammer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:27:48
The thing that's most disappointing is that the Clem era appeared to breathe new light into the club. The first season was terrific going from 5 players 2 weeks before the start of the season to nearly promoted through the play-offs. All momentum was lost last season when players, Garner, and Chorley left. It wouldn't be Swindon if things weren't right behind the scenes, and it's sad that we can't ever get excited as there's always the 'what if it's not as good as it seems.' I can understand why people are feeling like they've had enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:31:11
Thank you for your concern but I’m just shooting the shit on a forum, which I thought was the main effort here.

There does seem to be a view that anyone negative needs to “step away” which feels like the lingering effect of the Stockholm Syndrome suffered by most during Power’s reign of terror.

Negativity isn’t trolling. There’s a difference.
I have not called you a troll and i have been just as negative and i don't suggest you step away for being negative but it all sounded a bit deep to me and not that healthy to be honest. Talk of stockholm syndrome and abusive realationships in regards to supporting a football team just seems way ott for me personally. I am also just shooting shit on a forum 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:36:49
Someone said previously that if we're looking at the likes of Demetriou then we would be struggling this season may be forgetting that was the calibre of player Flynn had at Newport when he got them into the play-offs. A decent manager who knows what he's doing and can pull a solid team together can make a huge difference.

So lets try and give him a squad that isn't shit and we might be on to a winner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:38:46
Yeah, I had to abandon the Covid/Sheridactyl year as it was just misery upon misery!
 

Damn, I know I wanted to. But there was fuck all else to do around that time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:40:09
Truthfully I reckon that’s what keeps most of us going. It’s definitely not the winning, we all wouldn’t be supporting Swindon if that was the case. The routine of meeting up with friends/family at the pub pre match is usually the best bit of the day, it’s just a bonus if the football ends up being decent.

Always has been what kept me going for years, but at some point its just so dire it doesn't even warrant the cost and you're reduced to occasional appearances.

Just give me something that isn't total dross and I'd be pretty regular.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:40:28
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/apr/24/watford-season-ticket-fans-pozzo

I read this a couple of months ago and it made me think a bit. Distance makes it not a relevant conversation for me, but it might be of more interest to others.

Ha - reading the first bit of that summed me up - "In 2011 a survey of Britons commissioned by a video game developer put the figure at a damningly low 27, essentially painting British adults as a breed of permanently hungry morons most frequently vexed by issues such as “what to have for dinner”, “what to have for breakfast”, “what to have in my sandwich”, and “tea or coffee”.

It's kind of an ongoing 'joke' but once we've finished a meal, I always ask Mrs Bob "what do you fancy for lunch/dinner/breakfast" etc. I wouldn't say I am vexed by these issues, but I do like a bit of planning ahead! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:48:38
So lets try and give him a squad that isn't shit and we might be on to a winner.

Serious question, has there been any evidenced suggestion that the club are not trying to give him a squad that isn't shit, is there any evidence that anyone Flynn wanted to sign has not happened?

Ha - reading the first bit of that summed me up - "In 2011 a survey of Britons commissioned by a video game developer put the figure at a damningly low 27, essentially painting British adults as a breed of permanently hungry morons most frequently vexed by issues such as “what to have for dinner”, “what to have for breakfast”, “what to have in my sandwich”, and “tea or coffee”.

It's kind of an ongoing 'joke' but once we've finished a meal, I always ask Mrs Bob "what do you fancy for lunch/dinner/breakfast" etc. I wouldn't say I am vexed by these issues, but I do like a bit of planning ahead! :)

Isn't that just basic human habits, making sure one is fed watered and has everything to keep the old body ticking over?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:52:29
Serious question, has there been any evidenced suggestion that the club are not trying to give him a squad that isn't shit, is there any evidence that anyone Flynn wanted to sign has not happened?

No, just some extremely uninspiring rumours of who we're after/been linked to at this stage. Lets hope its just that. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 7, 2023, 09:55:29
No, just some extremely uninspiring rumours of who we're after/been linked to at this stage. Lets hope its just that. 
Doesn't that say more about fans mentality though. There have been good names mentioned as well but peoples first instimct is to go doom and gloom


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 7, 2023, 10:02:50
Doesn't that say more about fans mentality though. There have been good names mentioned as well but peoples first instimct is to go doom and gloom

People just want to get a handle on how we're going to do really, don't they? You can't always predict it but most years I would say you feel for the way its going.

This year for me, I'm leaning on the negative side but its probably been the most difficult to predict in a long time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 7, 2023, 10:08:33
Quote from: DMC
Doesn't that say more about fans mentality though. There have been good names mentioned as well but peoples first instimct is to go doom and gloom

a few of those ended up elsewhere though.

some decent signings are the only thing that will calm it down


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 7, 2023, 10:12:42
a few of those ended up elsewhere though.

some decent signings are the only thing that will calm it down

Agreed, the thing that strikes me though are that what some perceive as decent signings are probably out of our range as will end up in L1 or higher


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 7, 2023, 10:13:27
a few of those ended up elsewhere though.

some decent signings are the only thing that will calm it down
Indeed. Put the money where the mouth is, if we are indeed after quality and experience them provide us with the proof.

the thing that strikes me though are that what some perceive as decent signings are probably out of our range as will end up in L1 or higher
Absolutely many many of the names linked have been way out of our depth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 7, 2023, 20:54:55
Quote from: horlock07
Serious question, has there been any evidenced suggestion that the club are not trying to give him a squad that isn't shit, is there any evidence that anyone Flynn wanted to sign has not happened?
 

But equally there's no evidence yet to suggest the club are giving him the tools necessary to build a capable squad.

All we factually have is the resigning of Austin (good), Brewitt (meh) and a young keeper.

You can say wait and see, which of course we must, but people were hoping that by appointing Flynn in May we'd hit the ground running in recruitment early.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 04:49:56
On the face of it looks like the club is repeating again the mistakes of previous seasons

As days go by looks like all the talk of lessons being learned etc was just a ploy to sell ST when in reality nothing has changed

This season is Clems acid test- if progression on the pitch is not shown fans will rightly be asking serious questions


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 05:52:37
They won’t ask questions - they’ll just stop buying STs and opt for attending on a game by game basis. Do well and they’ll turn up, do shit and they will not.

The last time I was able to attend regularly we had Luke Williams, Flitcroft and Phil Brown in charge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 07:46:39
On the face of it looks like the club is repeating again the mistakes of previous seasons

As days go by looks like all the talk of lessons being learned etc was just a ploy to sell ST when in reality nothing has changed

This season is Clems acid test- if progression on the pitch is not shown fans will rightly be asking serious questions

On the face of it? Nothing has happened yet, I really don't get some people's view that everything is wrong, we are doomed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 09:54:35
Different sides of same coin manc

Some people see that this is a sign nothing has changed and we are skint

others say nothing has happened but it still will

nobody is right or wrong until the season starts (and a bit beyond).
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we can surely agree the ideal would be to have some in now for pre-season.

But that ideals are just that.
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personally I'm disappointed we have been unable to move quickly and show intent. But I'm not yet panicking


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 10:01:44
On the face of it looks like the club is repeating again the mistakes of previous seasons

As days go by looks like all the talk of lessons being learned etc was just a ploy to sell ST when in reality nothing has changed

This season is Clems acid test- if progression on the pitch is not shown fans will rightly be asking serious questions

Agree re ' talk of lessons being learned etc was just a ploy to sell ST when in reality nothing has changed'. Says a lot about the loyalty and commitment of fanbase that we still have north of 4.5k ST holders and still 3 or so weeks to go  after an abysmal season on and off pitch.

Early business - failed, but still time to get the right bodies and quality in, get the surplus out, 4 or 5 before season starts with 3 or so in last month of window should just be fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 10:34:10
Wish everyone would stop panicking. The majority of business happens in the last week when all the Premier League clubs finish their business and start freeing up players for loans, which is exactly the option we’ve take than splashing the cash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 10:38:18
It's all very intriguing waiting for things to unfold😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 10:46:44
Agree re ' talk of lessons being learned etc was just a ploy to sell ST when in reality nothing has changed'. Says a lot about the loyalty and commitment of fanbase that we still have north of 4.5k ST holders and still 3 or so weeks to go  after an abysmal season on and off pitch.

Early business - failed, but still time to get the right bodies and quality in, get the surplus out, 4 or 5 before season starts with 3 or so in last month of window should just be fine.

It's all this talk about 'lessons not learned' rubbish, we have a new manager and got rid of Sandro, we are clearly going down a different path. That new path might not mean success but clearly a lot behind the scenes has changed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 10:55:10
It's all this talk about 'lessons not learned' rubbish, we have a new manager and got rid of Sandro, we are clearly going down a different path. That new path might not mean success but clearly a lot behind the scenes has changed.

Thought it was fairly obvious I’m talking about recruitment.

As for “new path might not meaning success” that’s one of the most bizarre things I’ve read on this forum. That path sounds a bundle of fun 😂. It’s about winning and being successful, this ain’t grass roots and all about taking part 😂😂

Like I said- recruitment-  3 or 4 in before start and 3 or so back end of window and we should be set.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 11:18:42
But equally there's no evidence yet to suggest the club are giving him the tools necessary to build a capable squad.

All we factually have is the resigning of Austin (good), Brewitt (meh) and a young keeper.

You can say wait and see, which of course we must, but people were hoping that by appointing Flynn in May we'd hit the ground running in recruitment early.
TBF it is a bit of a different scenario we find ourselves in this summer in the fact that we already have so many on the books so to say he does not have the tools i would say is unfair but for sure he could do with a bigger tool box

He does have this to work with though already


Murphy Mahoney
Remeao Hutton
marcel lavinier
Tom Clayton
Frazer Blake Tracey
Tom Brewit
Sadio Khan
Jake Cain
George McEachran
Hepburn Murphy
Charlie Austin

Subs
Keeper
Wakelin
Minturn
Darcy
Shade

Sure there are others but shows that we are not as bare as it seems to me but 4 or 5 more experienced lads are needed to start and for the bench


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:15:46
nobody is panicking


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:17:48
I'm with Batch the majority aren't panicking just a few getting impatient.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:20:10
@DMC

That squad finished mid table.

If Flynn gets more out of them than the previous two managers did then great. They will definitely have improved with experience but the league looks tougher.

In any case we were promised changes and experience, and so we'll judge when the widow closes


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:26:11
Lessons learnt:
Appointed an experienced lower league manager rather than giving someone their first job in management

There we go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:39:48
Lessons learnt:
Appointed an experienced lower league manager rather than giving someone their first job in management

There we go.

And give him the responsibility of recruitment, not some bloke who knows a bit about spreadsheets


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:40:30
 
“We know we have got things wrong this season and that you deserve better than the results we’ve been delivering.

We are listening though and will make changes to ensure our recruitment is better, and you have my word that we will put together a budget and team that is capable of promotion next season, with the right balance of experience and youth." Rob Angus

There you go DV

It's too early to judge. Everyone knows there can be no promotion guarantees.

But it's right to want to see actions back up words, even if as I say it's too early to judge right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:54:19
One man’s ‘we haven’t signed anyone yet OMg!!!’ is another man’s ‘we are taking our time in order to get the right players in’

…at the end of the day it’s still the first week on July


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:57:57
@DMC

That squad finished mid table.

If Flynn gets more out of them than the previous two managers did then great. They will definitely have improved with experience but the league looks tougher.

In any case we were promised changes and experience, and so we'll judge when the widow closes
That's half the problem though Batch, people are judging now already. Absolutely it finished mid table but my main point is we have a squad and a line up we can actually put out tomorrow against Colchester if we had to. I actually wonder how many other teams at the moment can do the same


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:59:00
That's half the problem though Batch, people are judging now already. Absolutely it finished mid table but my main point is we have a squad and a line up we can actually put out tomorrow against Colchester if we had to. I actually wonder how many other teams at the moment can do the same

When I asked this last week Venks told me it was about half the division fwiw


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:59:13
That's half the problem though Batch, people are judging now already. Absolutely it finished mid table but my main point is we have a squad and a line up we can actually put out tomorrow against Colchester if we had to. I actually wonder how many other teams at the moment can do the same

I’ve been keeping an eye on other teams friendly XI’s and a decent amount could to be fair


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 13:04:19
Yeah i imagine they can actually. I think for me looking at the line up it's filled me witha bit more positivity as there really isn't fucking loads to do. I know people(batch) say it finished and should be ok for mid table but i think i said before i really do think that does not take into consideration just how bad the management were

All opinions though isn't it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 13:06:55
I will say I hope you're right Dean. it's certainly not madness to think a years experience and a good manager will make big gains.

I am still disappointed so far at the squad improvements, well to be fair there aren't any!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 13:12:47
Just remember this team averaged 2.33 PPG in games that weren’t managed my Lindsey or Morris.

We were 15 points off the play offs - imagine if Morris has been able to get us to see out games!! We wouldn’t have been far off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 13:21:41
imagine... all the people
Livin for today.
ah


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 14:13:17
John Lennon 😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 15:45:18
@DMC

That squad finished mid table.

If Flynn gets more out of them than the previous two managers did then great. They will definitely have improved with experience but the league looks tougher.

In any case we were promised changes and experience, and so we'll judge when the widow closes

Finished mid table last year in a significantly easier league than it will be this season, in my opinion. He'd need to get more out of them to finish mid table again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 15:53:28
Just back from Melksham. Great day out. We’ve a squad there somewhere, with the addition of a few players I think we’re be just fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: blinkpip on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 16:46:57
Just back from Melksham. Great day out. We’ve a squad there somewhere, with the addition of a few players I think we’re be just fine.
Yep, even though it was Melksham, the players looked fit and sharp.
Come along way since the game we drew 0-0 with them and 3 players on the books on Power demise . :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 17:31:05
Just back from Melksham. Great day out. We’ve a squad there somewhere, with the addition of a few players I think we’re be just fine.

How many do you think we need. Me 4 or 5...



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 17:34:59
How many do you think we need. Me 4 or 5...
I personally think another keeper (Ward may be ok but I want a more experienced backup to challenge).

An experienced CB, maybe thats Jordan Moore-Taylor is it, or AN other.

A big target man with some experience to aid Charlie/Wakeling/RHM.

A LWB.

A holding midfielder.

Then if some suitable loans come up maybe a left and right wide attacking players to change the game off the bench ala Louis Barry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 17:41:54
I personally think another keeper (Ward may be ok but I want a more experienced backup to challenge).

An experienced CB, maybe thats Jordan Moore-Taylor is it, or AN other.

A big target man with some experience to aid Charlie/Wakeling/RHM.

A LWB.

A holding midfielder.

Then if some suitable loans come up maybe a left and right wide attacking players to change the game off the bench ala Louis Barry.

I think we need an attacking midfielder as well. Flynn is clearly playing the 3 midfield with 2 sitters and 1 further forward. McEachren and Kahn are decent as the holding 2, but agree wa need something different there as well.

But who plays that further forward role? It's Cain so far, but I that position is so integral in this set up, its a spot you need real quality in. I think we need someone far more dynamic in there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 17:44:32
I would love to see Clayton tried in CDM but must be a reason why not so far


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 17:59:21
I would love to see Clayton tried in CDM but must be a reason why not so far
So would I, he played there for Liverpool and Scotland at U19/U21/23 level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 8, 2023, 18:17:09
I think we need an attacking midfielder as well. Flynn is clearly playing the 3 midfield with 2 sitters and 1 further forward. McEachren and Kahn are decent as the holding 2, but agree wa need something different there as well.

But who plays that further forward role? It's Cain so far, but I that position is so integral in this set up, its a spot you need real quality in. I think we need someone far more dynamic in there.

I *think* it’s a role that would suit Ronan Darcy


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, July 9, 2023, 09:08:09
Keepers are done if we sign Ward surely. Unless the loanee turns to be less Benda/Brynn and more Kovar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 9, 2023, 09:20:10
Was thinking where members of present squad would play/not play if we sign JMT and Demetriou. What would that mean for Clayton and FBT. Getting the impression from the 2 friendlies so far we may see some players from last season playing in different positions this.

Yesterday, 2nd half, JMT was playing as the last man/sweeper - granted easy enough against limited opposition. Maybe Clayton could be more of a DM than a CB.

Perhaps things will become clearer when we play better teams.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 9, 2023, 10:01:22
On the face of it you’d think Lavinier would be the most likely to drop out of the 3 CBs just based on him not being a CB.

…depends whether him being there is a needs must (id say not with Clayton, FBT, Brewitt & JMT) or something under serious consideration


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, July 9, 2023, 10:05:04
ideally (providing hutton stays)

a backup keeper as if Brann wasn’t anywhere near 1st team ready last season (words of Morris and mildy I think)
2 Centre backs- one with 150-200 or so games under his belt
A left wing back
Horrible bastard defensive midfielder
Creative/attacking midfielder
Winger/Versatile forward


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 15:57:26
not sure where to put this.

gunning goes to the academy .. https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/an-update-to-our-academy-personnel/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 15:59:53
not sure where to put this.

gunning goes to the academy .. https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/an-update-to-our-academy-personnel/

Fair play to the club for this kind of update. Clear, cohesive and looks like it's been well planned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:00:45
Although with that said, is Mildy the only coach we have?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:01:09
That doesn't seem like a particularly high profile role even within the academy.

Although with that said, is Mildy the only coach we have?

Hatswell as assistant. I get the idea that Flynn is very hands on as a coach.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:04:02
That doesn't seem like a particularly high profile role even within the academy.

Hatswell as assistant. I get the idea that Flynn is very hands on as a coach.

Fair enough. Hopefully it's a case of not many cooks make a delicious broth.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:05:16
That doesn't seem like a particularly high profile role even within the academy.

Indeed. Sounds quite the demotion on the face of it.

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:06:26
That doesn't seem like a particularly high profile role even within the academy.

Hatswell as assistant. I get the idea that Flynn is very hands on as a coach.

The Hatswell interview with bbc wilts a couple of weeks ago suggested Hatswell was the one who did most of the coaching but who knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:10:21
That doesn't seem like a particularly high profile role even within the academy.


Who knows how the day to day structure will actually work, however someone dedicated to sorting the loans out is something we desperately needed, hopefully actually have a plan for it now to get players out at a decent level, all seemed very half arsed in the past.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:16:49
Seems we have a huge structure for the Academy compared to the first team


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:16:57
So what's happened to Jamie Russell (Senior Academy Director)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:21:22
Fair enough. Hopefully it's a case of not many cooks make a delicious broth.

It'll be nice not to have people barking orders on the touchline shouting over each other this season starting. Absolute shit show last season under Lindsey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:32:44
So what's happened to Jamie Russell (Senior Academy Director)
There were some suggestions after Sandro went that he'd become the new Director of Football. Having heard him on the OSC on the sofa series earlier in the summer, hope this is the case as he sounded very impressive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:33:29
There were some suggestions after Sandro went that he'd become the new Director of Football. Having heard him on the OSC on the sofa series earlier in the summer, hope this is the case as he sounded very impressive.

Would make a lot of sense then for him to move to DOF and Gav to move to the academy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:35:02
In a podcast over the summer, Clem referenced a 'Head of Football', so wonder if that's what Russell has become


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:38:05
He’s not obviously on the current “Who’s who”…

Feels a big demotion for Gav, which is odd but maybe Flynn didn’t want him near the first team.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 16:43:23
He’s not obviously on the current “Who’s who”…

Which is notably updated- we seem to have a permanent club secretary, for example.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 17:31:42
He’s not obviously on the current “Who’s who”…

Feels a big demotion for Gav, which is odd but maybe Flynn didn’t want him near the first team.

Development loan manager. Sounds a real busy job that. Anyone think they are trying to push him out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 17:34:13
Development loan manager. Sounds a real busy job that. Anyone think they are trying to push him out?

What does that entail🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 17:34:22
I am kind of glad Gunning isn't first team now. Mainly because it shows that Flynn has sole control now and what he wants he is getting. I know on the face of it it seems harsh on Gunning but he should be happy tbh as most clubs he would have gone with the previous management team


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 17:36:33
Development loan manager. Sounds a real busy job that. Anyone think they are trying to push him out?
Jamie russell mentioned before he was currently doing that role and it is one they see as really important. I agree as well as getting annoyed seeing all our youngsters going to the same old clubs around the area, the club were really keen to offer him the role. If they wanted to get rid they would have easily enough


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 18:07:55
I am kind of glad Gunning isn't first team now. Mainly because it shows that Flynn has sole control now and what he wants he is getting. I know on the face of it it seems harsh on Gunning but he should be happy tbh as most clubs he would have gone with the previous management team

Its totally normal for a new manager to pick his team. I like Gunning but at the end of the day, we (I definitely) wanted a proper football manager rather than a coach and this is part of that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 18:12:21
I like Gav Gunning, reckon he is potential to be a good first team coach / manager once he has all his badges.  Gutted that he won't be part of the 1st team coaching but hope he's really successful in his new role.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 05:22:09
In a podcast over the summer, Clem referenced a 'Head of Football', so wonder if that's what Russell has become

I was going to say, I wonder if the club are going to make an announcement that Russell is our new Director/Head of football. He certainly seems very well thought of at the club so unless he's been headhunted by another club or they've sent him to Oz to begin our STFC adventure down under I wouldn't be surprised if there is news about him soon (whether that's normal soon or STFC soon is another matter)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 05:58:00
I was going to say, I wonder if the club are going to make an announcement that Russell is our new Director/Head of football. He certainly seems very well thought of at the club so unless he's been headhunted by another club or they've sent him to Oz to begin our STFC adventure down under I wouldn't be surprised if there is news about him soon (whether that's normal soon or STFC soon is another matter)
I think you are right on all of that Bob. Who is your source, not sent away though  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 06:21:31
Someone on twitter said Russell was at the game last night and sat in the dugout, so thankfully still seems he's around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 06:54:29
I think you are right on all of that Bob. Who is your source, not sent away though  :)

I'm sauce less mate :)

Just a feeling I have about the whole thing. That Academy announcement yesterday, was surprising in a pleasant way. It appears to have a bit of a longer term planning feel about it. And I just think if we have a footballing asset like Russel in the club, we should utilise his ability, and I really hope that we do.

Someone on twitter said Russell was at the game last night and sat in the dugout, so thankfully still seems he's around.

Yeah that's really positive if true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 07:14:22
What's Russells's background?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 07:34:07
What's Russells's background?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-russell-771050137/?originalSubdomain=uk


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 08:07:05
Any relation we to David M. ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kaufman on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 08:47:00
I’ve noticed the head of media position is now vacant (again)
So was that the admin/twitter/does interviews with the players who was at Southampton who’s now left?
He replaced ASD if I remember.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 08:59:55
Russell confirmed as Head of Football

New secretary
New media
New sports scientist

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/an-update-to-our-behind-the-scenes-personnel/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:01:01
I was going to say, I wonder if the club are going to make an announcement that Russell is our new Director/Head of football. He certainly seems very well thought of at the club so unless he's been headhunted by another club or they've sent him to Oz to begin our STFC adventure down under I wouldn't be surprised if there is news about him soon (whether that's normal soon or STFC soon is another matter)
Old news ;)

I have heard from a few people it will be an internal appointment but not AFAIK Lee Peackock. More likely Russell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:02:58
Would you look at that, two statements in two days clarifying roles and responsibilities. Good stuff that.

Seems like a lot of new behind the scenes hires as well, hopefully contributing to a smoother running club this season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:03:02
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamie-russell-771050137/?originalSubdomain=uk

Really hope he does well, but considering most of the criticism last year was that our staff had, at best, academy backgrounds and didn't have playing experience I do fear that if things don't work this season we will just see a reply of the complaints of last season come October if we ain't flying.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:04:10
I think the suggestion is that Russell's role covers everything apart from immediate first team recruitment, so it's not a like for like SDM swap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:04:16
Changes to ‘office staff’ slight understatement! Good to know who’s who though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:05:45
Russell confirmed as Head of Football

New secretary
New media
New sports scientist

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/an-update-to-our-behind-the-scenes-personnel/

Quite a big turnover of staff there no doubt loads leaving as they have noted that the club is skint and going down the pan.... #shambles ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:05:50
The return of Jamie (Sendles-)White to the club will send some of the fanbase into a frenzy.

Yeah, I know.

Some new signings anyway. Good stuff.

Sorry to see Marcus go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:07:26
Quite a big turnover of staff there no doubt loads leaving as they have noted that the club is skint and going down the pan.... #shambles ;)

Perhaps these were Cowley's 3 in 4 out!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:09:45
Hopefully the right personal in the right positions & make our club seem less ''amateurish'' which has been the case over the past 6 - 12 months IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:09:49
Russell confirmed as Head of Football

New secretary
New media
New sports scientist

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/an-update-to-our-behind-the-scenes-personnel/

wow, 2 in 2 days! This seems super cohesive of the club, fair play it seems there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes. Chapeau to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:15:12
wow, 2 in 2 days! This seems super cohesive of the club, fair play it seems there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes. Chapeau to the club.

Which is what RA said @ SS game, using the Swan analogy. Obvs Rob Angus couldn’t say anything but he was not pulling my leg.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:26:03
Quote
Quite a big turnover of staff there no doubt loads leaving as they have noted that the club is skint and going down the pan.... #shambles ;)
They aren't really positions you can leave vacant.

Really good to see clear communications and the appointments happening.

But I'm separating them from skint or not skin discussions.

Let's hope this is the start of the turnaround and upward projection.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:26:50
Almost as if the owner is now able to start running it how he wants


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:27:20
Quote
Almost as if the owner is now able to start running it how he wants

if he's free of other influence (if there was) then brilliant..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:28:55
So after everyone panicking the staff in the background were either leaving, or non-existent, are we saying that Clem actually had it all in order and was getting it sorted?

Who knew.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:37:05
Tbh, I think this is better (long term) news than any imminent (or non existent) player signings.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:51:04
So after everyone panicking the staff in the background were either leaving, or non-existent, are we saying that Clem actually had it all in order and was getting it sorted?

Who knew.
It's certainly encouraging to see that is the case...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RJack on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:54:25
Hugely disappointed to see Marcus Cassidy leave he was touted as once of the best groundsman in the country and on many occasion other clubs tried to poach him off us but Marcus stayed loyal to STFC.
Wish Marcus all the best and hope that it's not a goodbye for good as played a huge part at the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 09:57:00
Swindon Town are delighted to announce that we will be hosting an evening with First-Team Manager Michael Flynn.

The event will be on Wednesday 2nd August and will be hosted in our executive 1879 Suite by Commercial Manager James Watts and will give fans the opportunity to meet the new man in charge of the First-Team squad.

The evening will include a two-course meal and the event will roughly start from 7pm  and costs £25 +VAT per person.


As well as meeting the Manager and the evening will include a Q&A, a charity raffle, an auction and a photo opportunity - where fans will be able to purchase a photo they’ve had taken with Michael Flynn.

As always, spaces are limited for these types of events so we advise fans to book their space early, to avoid disappointment.

You can book your place today, by calling Rachel Burt on 0330 002 1879, or emailing [email protected]


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:10:30
Swindon Town are delighted to announce that we will be hosting an evening with First-Team Manager Michael Flynn.

The event will be on Wednesday 2nd August and will be hosted in our executive 1879 Suite by Commercial Manager James Watts and will give fans the opportunity to meet the new man in charge of the First-Team squad.

The evening will include a two-course meal and the event will roughly start from 7pm  and costs £25 +VAT per person.


As well as meeting the Manager and the evening will include a Q&A, a charity raffle, an auction and a photo opportunity - where fans will be able to purchase a photo they’ve had taken with Michael Flynn.

As always, spaces are limited for these types of events so we advise fans to book their space early, to avoid disappointment.

You can book your place today, by calling Rachel Burt on 0330 002 1879, or emailing [email protected]

Part of me hopes we don’t make any more signings before this, it would be brilliant entertainment  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:14:15
Swindon Town are delighted to announce that we will be hosting an evening with First-Team Manager Michael Flynn.

The event will be on Wednesday 2nd August and will be hosted in our executive 1879 Suite by Commercial Manager James Watts and will give fans the opportunity to meet the new man in charge of the First-Team squad.

The evening will include a two-course meal and the event will roughly start from 7pm  and costs £25 +VAT per person.


As well as meeting the Manager and the evening will include a Q&A, a charity raffle, an auction and a photo opportunity - where fans will be able to purchase a photo they’ve had taken with Michael Flynn.

As always, spaces are limited for these types of events so we advise fans to book their space early, to avoid disappointment.

You can book your place today, by calling Rachel Burt on 0330 002 1879, or emailing [email protected]

£25??


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:26:19
£25??

£30, with a two-course meal. Not that bad, is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wokinghamred on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:29:22
I assume the Head of Operations & Stadium Development: Anthony Hall is the same Anthony Hall who is UK managing director of Axis Services Group?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:30:07
Decent revenue stream, there will be money from drink sales too etc. Good idea and nice fan engagement. May be a bit hairy if no signings made by then   :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:45:30
I assume the Head of Operations & Stadium Development: Anthony Hall is the same Anthony Hall who is UK managing director of Axis Services Group?


Looks like the Financial Controller might be from Axis too (I'm taking the name variation as a typo as it's too similar to be a coincidence) https://www.linkedin.com/in/annabela-costa-654543171/?originalSubdomain=uk


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 10:47:26
They aren't really positions you can leave vacant.

Really good to see clear communications and the appointments happening.

But I'm separating them from skint or not skin discussions.

Let's hope this is the start of the turnaround and upward projection.

Bang on. Some posters never fail to amuse, bizarre that first thought is to attempt to clown others after an absolute shit show of a season/ past 12 months behind the scenes. Good its being addressed in some way.

Good that we've made necessary appointments ready in time for new season and filled the holes.

Shame about Gunning being demoted but guessing Flynn didn't fancy- have noticed another face/coach in pics be interesting to see if anything comes of that. Shame about Marcus too - has done an unreal job - award winning pitch, hope he's ok

Greg Normans departure completely ignored and dismissed - more to it with that one I think, he oversaw the ownership transition and was ever present with clem. The Stadium manager, CFO and Head of operations are all from AXIS.

25 quid for two course meal and chat is fine - charging for a picture with a L2 manager fucking stinks though?

Full confidence in Jamie Russel - proper football man and huge upgrade on Scamdro


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 11:10:09
I actually thought that £25 for a 2 course meal as well as a Q&A session with Flynn was pretty good value. The picture charging thing does seem a bit weird, why not just let fans take selfies with him on their own phones?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 11:13:18
Even more pertinent, who wants a pic. Creepy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 11:29:49
Yeah I missed the thing about charging for pics. I guess it is another way to make a bit of money and if there is a demand for it and if it helps us have a more competitive budget I won’t lose any sleep over it. I assume the club provide you with a picture via email or something rather than just charging for a selfie?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: derbystfc on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 11:40:40
For my 2 pence worth, I actually think these announcements is positive news. I think (and hope), that this maybe the start of the end of the remnants of the Power era. (Hart, Kiely, Zav etc)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:00:48
the 3 appointments from Axis, I assume they will job share with the day job or are they being seconded to stfc ?,

The stadium development position makes sense I suppose as you would imagine he will have contacts in the building trade so will know the right people to talk to with whatever is needed.

Is that Hall, Dover & De Costa all from Axis ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:01:10
Be interesting to what extent those coming in from axis spend their time on STFC business. Hopefully the majority


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:02:30
I actually thought that £25 for a 2 course meal as well as a Q&A session with Flynn was pretty good value. The picture charging thing does seem a bit weird, why not just let fans take selfies with him on their own phones?


At the risk of being a whinger, can't they do a £10 paid bar version as well?

If Gunning isn't fancied, would have been useful to have him and Austin manage a U18/reserve hybrid B-Team, in lieu of any such thing - and just playing behind closed doors friendlies against other academies or reserves. Assume the club are funding both of their development - and Mike Cook the women's manager is their mentor isn't he?

Axis/STFC roles I suppose could be hybrid if the boss is willing to do a decent division of labour. It's better than volunteers... but rather thin on the ground on actual full time employees -  and still plenty of people doubling up in house. While it may feel very streamlined, I think this is quite limiting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:03:20
The 3 Axis employees are part of the 5 loans that Cowley mentioned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:11:08
Be interesting to what extent those coming in from axis spend their time on STFC business. Hopefully the majority
It will be, The AXIS side in the UK isn’t like it is in Australia


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:18:30
Yeah, I can well imagine it would be the case that the county ground project being Axis UK’s main focus


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:26:50
Be interesting to what extent those coming in from axis spend their time on STFC business. Hopefully the majority

Do Axis even have a UK Office and UK based staff, their website specifically lists Australia, New Zealand, Thailand and the US, doesn't seem to make any specific mention of the UK, not that that is a problem necessarily in modern times?

Edit - Actually scrub that, they have a separate UK website and have worked on projects I have worked on!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:30:18
I'm pretty sure I randomly walked past an Axis office in Birmingham outside where I used to work once, if that helps. It was probably 4 years ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:38:59
Quote from: Quagmire
Part of me hopes we don’t make any more signings before this, it would be brilliant entertainment  :D

You're weird

😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:42:50
Do Axis even have a UK Office and UK based staff,

Didn't we bring forward transfer fees secured against an axis property?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:44:10
If the NZ office is anything to go by.... not very up market or Palatial  

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1s0x6d0d4935b7f99a97%3A0xe8d44d67f57748d5!3m1!7e115!4s%2Fmaps%2Fplace%2Faxix%2Bplumbing%2Bnz%2F%40-36.9245386%2C174.8342283%2C3a%2C75y%2C339.61h%2C90t%2Fdata%3D*213m4*211e1*213m2*211sBTyC90UYz-wVWrwduXCH6g*212e0*214m2*213m1*211s0x6d0d4935b7f99a97%3A0xe8d44d67f57748d5%3Fsa%3DX%26ved%3D2ahUKEwiNxeuul4mAAxVYgVYBHe3ODtsQpx96BAhFEAA!5saxis%20plumbing%20nz%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCgIgAQ&imagekey=!1e2!2sBTyC90UYz-wVWrwduXCH6g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNxeuul4mAAxVYgVYBHe3ODtsQpx96BAhXEAU&cshid=1689165424846344


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:48:55
Didn't we bring forward transfer fees secured against an axis property?

I edited my earlier post, they list an office in SW London.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 13:13:04
I suggested, just an opinion, that Axis would get involved now that the Stadium Development is the wide open goal, to use a pun, for Clem to get a return on his investment.  No doubt some of that would be through direct cash from being a contractor on the development, but maybe also in building a portfolio for future work that Axis can use.  They've been a bits and pieces plumbing and electrical provider to Stadia builds up until now.

I have no issue with that, always seemed the logical reason for him to have splashed some cash when Power was here.  Just need to ensure the JV company is on top of it - I imagine they will defer to Clem's knowledge in using Axis as a preferred contractor, but they need to make sure decisions are made for the Stadium's future and not Axis' as the main priority.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 13:33:10
I suggested, just an opinion, that Axis would get involved now that the Stadium Development is the wide open goal, to use a pun, for Clem to get a return on his investment.  No doubt some of that would be through direct cash from being a contractor on the development, but maybe also in building a portfolio for future work that Axis can use.  They've been a bits and pieces plumbing and electrical provider to Stadia builds up until now.

I have no issue with that, always seemed the logical reason for him to have splashed some cash when Power was here.  Just need to ensure the JV company is on top of it - I imagine they will defer to Clem's knowledge in using Axis as a preferred contractor, but they need to make sure decisions are made for the Stadium's future and not Axis' as the main priority.
Absolutely. If that's how things progress, I'd like to see an independent project manager (i.e. no connection to Axis) who works on behalf of the JV to scrutinise every step of the project.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 13:43:07
I suggested, just an opinion, that Axis would get involved now that the Stadium Development is the wide open goal, to use a pun, for Clem to get a return on his investment.  No doubt some of that would be through direct cash from being a contractor on the development, but maybe also in building a portfolio for future work that Axis can use.  They've been a bits and pieces plumbing and electrical provider to Stadia builds up until now.

I have no issue with that, always seemed the logical reason for him to have splashed some cash when Power was here.  Just need to ensure the JV company is on top of it - I imagine they will defer to Clem's knowledge in using Axis as a preferred contractor, but they need to make sure decisions are made for the Stadium's future and not Axis' as the main priority.

Looking at Axis's UK online presence (compared to the Aus one) it doesn't seem to go beyond M&E at this stage so they would have to scale up/change tack to start building things albeit nothing to stop them going into a JV with someone who they will no doubt have worked with previously on larger schemes.

With the best will in the world, from experience, on such big schemes the number of contractors who have the scale and capacity to build such things are very limited, and in the main staffed by staff who just bounce around between them anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 14:29:56
Some of their splurge around their involvement with Wembley and Spurs (I think Wembley was actually the Outlet shops and stuff that has gone up in the past 10 years) made it look like they were angling for bigger things in the UK.  This always looked like their way in to that, acting more as a lead contractor/PM.  No doubt they'd need to use many others to actually get any work done though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 14:47:05
It's deinetly the next step and the logical one. I know he ssaid he will put the work out to tender still so that's a good start


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 17:55:08
Provided axis quote is competitive with others then what's not to like.

Better Clem make money than others


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 18:01:27
Provided axis quote is competitive with others then what's not to like.

Better Clem make money than others

Well that depends on who is going to quote and the terms of the PQQ if there is one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 18:24:31
What's a pqq


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 18:35:22
What's a pqq

Pre quote questionnaire.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 19:07:54
Pre quote questionnaire.
Sorry to be that pedantic cunt but its pre-qualification questionnaire... and they are fucking tedious to complete as a subby!

I suspect if its an Axis weighted pack they wouldn't bother with such a thing anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 20:24:16
Provided axis quote is competitive with others then what's not to like.

Better Clem make money than others

Actually, for all the Trust knocking in recent months (warranted) this is an area that their action will be of great benefit in the years to come.

It really does matter who gets the cash - we've seen before that football club owners who control the freehold and development, or even just the entire clubs finances, have a myriad of ways of trousering it.

Not suggesting Clem would - no evidence of anything under hand here.  However, having the JV take ownership means a degree of oversight can be put in place.  It's why I hope they don't just accept Axis' recommendations/plans without being critical - take a look at where that has managed to get Swindon Borough Council with the leisure services.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 20:37:40
Sorry to be that pedantic cunt but its pre-qualification questionnaire... and they are fucking tedious to complete as a subby!

I suspect if its an Axis weighted pack they wouldn't bother with such a thing anyway.

Yeah you are a pedantic cunt, carry on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 20:44:06
@robertT

absolutely needs to be checks and balances given the potential conflict of interest. That's just good sense for the JV.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 21:40:58
Just a thought - Gav’s role must be an absolute luxury at our level. Hopefully suggests that we aren’t running on vapours.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 21:53:38
But we’re all Turning Japanese!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 21:56:29
I really think so


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 08:11:55
BBC Wiltshire Sport on Twitter: According to FIFA, #STFC got $108,591 in World Cup payments for Jonny Williams and Joe Wollacott, around £83k at current exchange rates.


Seems like that was the low end of what we thought it might be. Assume if they've published it it's actually been paid now though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 08:14:00
BBC Wiltshire Sport on Twitter: According to FIFA, #STFC got $108,591 in World Cup payments for Jonny Williams and Joe Wollacott, around £83k at current exchange rates.


Seems like that was the low end of what we thought it might be. Assume if they've published it it's actually been paid now though.

Always good to get money for nothing, provided the chicks are free. Maybe we're signing Adam Chicksen?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 08:14:14
BBC Wiltshire Sport on Twitter: According to FIFA, #STFC got $108,591 in World Cup payments for Jonny Williams and Joe Wollacott, around £83k at current exchange rates.


Seems like that was the low end of what we thought it might be. Assume if they've published it it's actually been paid now though.
Saw one of the clubs sponsors comment below saying that it had yet to be paid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 08:28:23
@robertT

absolutely needs to be checks and balances given the potential conflict of interest. That's just good sense for the JV.

I think its all rather jumping the gun at the moment, its going to be a couple of years at least till anything of any size/value gets built anyway, Clem ain't going to retire on the proceeds of whacking a roof on the bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 09:55:11
I think its all rather jumping the gun at the moment, its going to be a couple of years at least till anything of any size/value gets built anyway, Clem ain't going to retire on the proceeds of whacking a roof on the bank.

Oh yeah, I'm not expecting much to happen for a while.  Maybe the DRS exec boxes in the next 3 years is doable but where do we get the money for things like that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 09:58:35
Oh yeah, I'm not expecting much to happen for a while.  Maybe the DRS exec boxes in the next 3 years is doable but where do we get the money for things like that?

Banks and/or investors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 10:20:55
Banks and/or investors.

Typically the interest rate is rising at just the wrong time!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 10:45:05
Typically the interest rate is rising at just the wrong time!

Oh yeah, and construction cost inflation is also going through the roof!

If Clem sees this as they way into the main contractor business he is very brave at this time!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 12:12:57
Saw one of the clubs sponsors comment below saying that it had yet to be paid.

How would sponsors know ?

Surely the club isn't giving sponsors access to the finances, or telling them about income "yes, Ms sponsor Fifa are due to pay us that money, and there will be be income from the tea lady as she only worked 6 hours last week and we pay her for 8, then there is x player that has just left we have saved y money there"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 12:33:11
How would sponsors know ?

Surely the club isn't giving sponsors access to the finances, or telling them about income "yes, Ms sponsor Fifa are due to pay us that money, and there will be be income from the tea lady as she only worked 6 hours last week and we pay her for 8, then there is x player that has just left we have saved y money there"

TBF as half the posters on here know the clubs finances in intricate detail one would assume that sponsors are getting the info from the same source.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 13:48:52
I think it has been obvious for the past two years that our Sponsors are likely also providing some sort of contra work - we keep seeing an official Sponsor who is also a supplier, we keep asking for volunteers and we have invited Sponsors to the AB meetings.  I imagine the club see this as an effective way to reduce costs and get services provided - which is fair enough when all accounted for.  It's entirely likely someone has been helping with the financial reporting for a few weeks.

As an example, wasn't a local IT recruitment firm (sponsor of the club) the e-mail address being used for football club vacancies?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 15:20:37
This is how easy it is though for rumours to be spread.

It wasn't a sponsor it was that Kieran Maguire on Twitter and rob angus retweeted it. It wasn't mentioned who the clubs were i don't think


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 15:31:40
One of the sponsors (the bloke Rob refers to above, who usually sticks up for the club, rightly or wrongly) did tweet earlier to say it still hasn’t been paid, but I can see it was later deleted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 15:33:31
Ah apologies i thought we were talking further back not today. Apologies


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 13:50:39
Unsure where to put it/if it has already been discussed,, but no clue where this has come from.

Ryan Whelan: “No Rob Angus hasn't left Swindon Town. Utter 💩. You can stop asking now.”

Haven’t seen anything about this rumour before, most likely started on the Facebook page.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:09:07
Fans forum re-arranged for Wednesday 16th August - no Clem in attendance - Rob A, Flynn, Hatswell, Jamie Russell, Anthony Hall and Mandie Coe will be there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:17:32
Fans forum re-arranged for Wednesday 16th August - no Clem in attendance - Rob A, Flynn, Hatswell, Jamie Russell, Anthony Hall and Mandie Coe will be there.

Wasn’t the whole reason it was re-arranged so that Clem could make it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:18:09
Fans forum re-arranged for Wednesday 16th August - no Clem in attendance - Rob A, Flynn, Hatswell, Jamie Russell, Anthony Hall and Mandie Coe will be there.

Where do you see that Chang?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:19:35
Where do you see that Chang?
A mate (ST holder) had an email from the OSC re. tickets - expect it’s gone out en masse as your automatically an OSC member this season I think


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:25:15
A mate (ST holder) had an email from the OSC re. tickets - expect it’s gone out en masse as your automatically an OSC member this season I think

Ah fair enough. I guess this is where the corner flag tweet/Rob Angus resigning rumour may have come from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:29:16
Wasn’t the whole reason it was re-arranged so that Clem could make it?
So he could zoom at a more resonable hour or attend. Looks like he isn't coming over for a while now and happy with the Axis guys he has working day to day with Rob Angus


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:29:38
Wasn’t the whole reason it was re-arranged so that Clem could make it?

that's not going to help the toxic rumour mill is it? I hope there are comms to explain/confirm/deny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:44:20
Isn’t it fairly obvious that the real reason was to give Flynn a chance to get his feet under the table before he was bombarded with questions about why he hasn’t signed Sendles-White or some other has been with a Swindon connection


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:53:02
It’s a fiver to attend. What happened to the £25 2 course dinner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:53:17
Quote from: Quagmire
Wasn’t the whole reason it was re-arranged so that Clem could make it?

yeah.


Quote
Hello,

 

We are pleased to announce that we've teamed up with The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge to host a Fans Forum.

 

As a member of the Official Supporters Club, you have priority access to book your space before they become generally available on Friday 21st July 2023 at mid-day.

 

You can put your questions to Rob Angus, Jamie Russell, Mike Flynn, Wayne Hatswell, Anthony Hall and Mandie Coe in the Legends Lounge at SN1 on Wednesday 16th August 2023. Doors open at 6:30pm, for a 7pm start.

 

This event is £5 to attend, with all the money going to our Charity of the Season, Darby Rimmer Foundation.  Spaces can be purchased at the link below.   Actual tickets will not be issued, but we will have a list of attendees on door. 

 

Spaces can be purchased at :  Shop (stfc-osc.com)

 

A big thank you to Vic Morgan who has agreed to MC the event for us and if you can't join us in person, The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge will be covering the event live on Twitter (@T_STBL) so fans across the globe can still get involved.

 

Thanks

 

Chris

Secretary & Member Communication

£5 goes to charity but I think it's a bit off tbh


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:56:08
It’s a fiver to attend. What happened to the £25 2 course dinner.
That’s a separate ‘meet the manager’ event


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:07:57
£50 if you want to meet the Kitmen and see a podcast being filmed.

Christ.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:10:00
I mean it’s not for me but I don’t see a huge issue with it, each to their own if people are happy to pay that.

It’s different if it was say a fans forum or similar where your average fan would want to attend and not be priced out, otherwise I say fair enough if anyone wants to stump that up!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:18:54
I mean it’s not for me but I don’t see a huge issue with it, each to their own if people are happy to pay that.

It’s different if it was say a fans forum or similar where your average fan would want to attend and not be priced out, otherwise I say fair enough if anyone wants to stump that up!

yep, agreed. These guys seem pretty popular and I can see a fair few fans going for it. Parents getting it for their kids for Christmas/Birthday presents etc perhaps?

I suppose it's no different to Crouchfest or something like that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:23:26
Amazes me the people that moan about stuff like this.

No one has a gun to your head saying you must pay and go. If it’s not for you, that’s fine, just no reason to make a song and dance about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:24:24
yep, agreed. These guys seem pretty popular and I can see a fair few fans going for it. Parents getting it for their kids for Christmas/Birthday presents etc perhaps?

I suppose it's no different to Crouchfest or something like that.

Under the Cosih is £23 and Crouchfest is £35 - plus they have to pay for a venue too.

How much is hospitality nowadays?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:26:33
Depends on the package I think, pretty sure I read in the region of £80 and £110 upwards per match


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 16:52:14
Russell confirmed as Head of Football

New secretary
New media
New sports scientist

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/an-update-to-our-behind-the-scenes-personnel/

I listened to the Jamie Russell interview earlier on the Tom Broadbent podcast. It was pretty interesting and Jamie speaks very well. The Karachi academy thing still appears to be very much happening, but I assume Zav has stepped away from that. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 20, 2023, 20:30:28
Quote from: Bob's Orange
but I assume Zav has stepped away from that. 

because of something said on the pod, or personal opinion as he's 'stepped away'


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, July 21, 2023, 07:52:24
Amazes me the people that moan about stuff like this.

No one has a gun to your head saying you must pay and go. If it’s not for you, that’s fine, just no reason to make a song and dance about it.

People do really feel the need to criticise everything at the club at the moment. There are a lot of things that aren't right but making a song and a dance about this isn't necessary. It's expensive yes, but so are a lot of things in the world at the moment. As you rightly say, nobody is forcing anyone to pay it and go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 21, 2023, 07:55:36
Fair play to OSC last night stepping in to correct people that it is their event that is charging the £5 for charity and not the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 21, 2023, 07:56:03
because of something said on the pod, or personal opinion as he's 'stepped away'

Sorry, that was a bit ambiguous what I said Batch. My opinion really, with all the bad publicity and open questions by fans about Zav I'd just assume that they would have moved him away from any projects that the club have. I've no idea if that's accurate or not however, it was just when Jamie said about the Karachi academy it got the old grey matter going, that was all.   


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 21, 2023, 08:08:52
Quote
Fair play to OSC last night stepping in to correct people that it is their event that is charging the £5 for charity and not the club
that was clear from the email

edit: wait, do you mean the club will hold their own fans forum?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, July 21, 2023, 08:11:25
I’m not sure the ‘kit room’ proceeds will be going to the club either, they’ll be directed to the podcast surely


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, July 21, 2023, 08:50:56
I doubt it - it’s employees of the club using club facilities to run club related events and shows. Imagine the club will take the earnings


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 21, 2023, 12:02:14
Finding innovative ways to increase Revenue is precisely what the club should be doing.  You don't compete with teams like Wrexham by invoking some sort of 1880's fair play rules.  We can knock them all we like, but they are going to bring in probably x3 the amount any other team does in this league - and yes, they have some star power to help them and back them up even further, but they've done a good job of showing just how useless most clubs are at making money.  Outside the top league, where the entire league as a brand sort of does a lot of he heavy lifting, we've all sat lower down here bemoaning our bad luck to be so poor rather than doing much about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Friday, July 21, 2023, 12:49:22
that was clear from the email

edit: wait, do you mean the club will hold their own fans forum?

They will have Clem there in attendance


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, July 21, 2023, 16:38:52
Finding innovative ways to increase Revenue is precisely what the club should be doing.  You don't compete with teams like Wrexham by invoking some sort of 1880's fair play rules.  We can knock them all we like, but they are going to bring in probably x3 the amount any other team does in this league - and yes, they have some star power to help them and back them up even further, but they've done a good job of showing just how useless most clubs are at making money.  Outside the top league, where the entire league as a brand sort of does a lot of he heavy lifting, we've all sat lower down here bemoaning our bad luck to be so poor rather than doing much about it.

And a polite reminder to the masses, it would seem the the owner or custodian of the club isn’t trousering everything that comes into it either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, July 21, 2023, 17:01:00
I’m not sure the ‘kit room’ proceeds will be going to the club either, they’ll be directed to the podcast surely

Club taking percentage of it...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 21, 2023, 17:48:35
The one thing that has nagged away at me is the constant harping on about the work needed on the ground.

Reason?
a) it was not a secret, it was much discussed when Power was refusing to pay for the work to be done to maintain the stadium and the Council kept responding by saying it was Lease Holders responsibility.
b) Clem knew the ground sale was on the cards - when he took over the expectation was the club/he would pay for their half, not that Eady would cover them

So, Clem should have had a way of accessing the funds to buy the ground and purchased the club believing he'd need to dip into it.  If so, and he got gifted the asset, he stands to gain financially (just on that transaction) in the future should he sell his stake.

It baffles me that he didn't have money set aside which could now have been used for the remedial works, knowing that it would pay off in the future (unlike the club ownership which is more risky).

He can choose not to use money for this, that's his choice to make of course.  Just odd that we've been using it as a way of showing why the budgets are tight and claiming it was unexpected.  It's real, but anyone with working eyes could see many of the issues - the Bank, the PA system, the pitch, the seats - these are not new things that are hidden.  It just provides a small undercurrent of an owner that sort of done with the project of investing in the club, looking more like someone working on how they get out above water now they had that gift fall into their lap.

As I say, it's just nagging and all opinion.  It's not fact and it's not keeping me up at night, before someone has a pop about being obsessed with bad things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, July 21, 2023, 17:57:09
Good post. None of it quite adds up...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 21, 2023, 18:19:09
Before Power cocked up the sale of the club, Clem stated he was willing to pay more than the mythical Abel’s £7m offer. He got it for £212,500. Now, the difference between that and £7m is near enough the amount of debt Clem has personally ‘covered’.

Seems reasonable to assume that has gobbled up whatever funds he had available/willing to put up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 21, 2023, 19:02:22
I think it’s fair to say that Clem has put in about as much as he can afford to so far and is now looking at ways to maximise income.

As they are always at pains to point out that any income the club generates is reinvested and Clem isn’t taking any money out, and from what we have seen that does appear to be the case.

What is also obviously true is that we are not going to be able to compete with clubs where the owners are pumping in a million pounds (& more) a season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 21, 2023, 20:14:08
@Robert T

One thing I can think of is he missed the debenture off his calculations.

I don't know this to be the case, but I do remember Xavier reportedly  wobbling about an extra 2 million debt being found


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 21, 2023, 20:31:38
I mean, it's one of the few things that was obvious from our limited accounts!

I presume he could have believed it was Powers responsibility to pay upon the sale of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 21, 2023, 20:35:36
@Robert T

One thing I can think of is he missed the debenture off his calculations.

I don't know this to be the case, but I do remember Xavier reportedly  wobbling about an extra 2 million debt being found

Sounded like Jeds found debt form the 50s bollocks that.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 21, 2023, 21:24:37
yeah, I agree it's unlikely to have been missed, but it fits with Robs 'why didn't he put the ground cash aside' question


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 21, 2023, 22:11:31
I believe it was a cost they didn’t think they had to sort out in the short term, however that changed as it was a condition of the Eady trust releasing the funds that the debentures had to be settled.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, July 24, 2023, 11:30:15
It looks like there are now Social Media channels for “The County Ground”, which is presumably part of the plan to monetise it outside of football matches.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, July 24, 2023, 14:39:21
Looks like one of the 8 Australian Axis Subsidiaries has entered liquidation (Axis Plumbing NSW). Probably one that the owner should clarify as it's most likely just standard restructuring of the company or creative accounting, but you just know the social media damage that will come from endless speculation and doom until it's clarified.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:01:38
Another to add on a separate note. The first Life of a Kitma live experience has sold out. Good on them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:04:59
Might not be a big deal but it hardly seems good that the business has liquidated alongside a summer of a lack of spending. Might not be bad but hardly good news


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:09:47
Axis is made up of lots of companies. This sort of thing happens all the time in the business world. The account that posted this on twitter gets enormous pleasure out of watching people melt down and squabble.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:11:25
Trust seeking clarification on the matter


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:20:19
Axis is made up of lots of companies. This sort of thing happens all the time in the business world. The account that posted this on twitter gets enormous pleasure out of watching people melt down and squabble.

There are indeed a multitude of reasons a business may go into Liquidation, some of which are about getting the business restructured.  This one does look odd as it is the main Sydney business from which they all grew, plus the UK one was recently petitioned with a winding-up order (public domain).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:36:02
Joy of joys. Easy to look at this and our lack of signings and make 2 + 2 = 5 but it doesn't feel great...

 :suicide:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:37:50
So. Has Clem moved circa £7m out of his plumbing businesses into the ‘safe haven’ of STFC and then closed them down?

Bit like what Power wanted to do, but in reverse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:38:48
Trust seeking clarification on the matter

Don't worry, they did extensive due diligence on Clem. In the words of 'Zav', he's "the messiah."


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:39:00
The club was already in a position of having to fund itself - that much was made clear recently in the AB minutes and points discussed by Rob Angus.  While this would be bad news, if it is indeed a financial issues rather the restructure issue, it shouldn't cause an immediate impact.  It would though reinforce that we are running on what we earn from here on in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:41:54
 It would though reinforce that we are running on what we earn from here on in.

I know I'm being naive but, that is exactly how it should be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:43:19
So. Has Clem moved circa £7m out of his plumbing businesses into the ‘safe haven’ of STFC and then closed them down?

Bit like what Power wanted to do, but in reverse.

1.6m came directly from an Axis company - Axis Football Investments Ltd, a UK registered company seemingly set-up solely for the purpose of diverting funds to the football club.  That business had financial relationships with Axis Services Group Ltd, the UK arm of Axis.

The rest came from personal funds, which you'd presume include any dividends he paid himself from prior profits from Axis.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:44:21
I know I'm being naive but, that is exactly how it should be.

It is not how the majority of the clubs operate, that much is for sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, July 24, 2023, 15:45:01
Cowley be having a field day with this soon, I'm sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:25:02
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/club-statement-axis-group/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:25:49
Well that was prompt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:27:15
Fair play to them


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:28:43
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/club-statement-axis-group/

Although I commend the club for the quick statement i would also say that they would hardly admit an issue could be in the pipeline. Just playing devils advocate really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:29:48
at least it was quick and concise.

can't see what else they can do


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:32:41
Although I commend the club for the quick statement i would also say that they would hardly admit an issue could be in the pipeline. Just playing devils advocate really.
Good point. Cunts are lying then


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:35:03
can't see what else they can do

At the risk of stating the obvious, this kind of idle chatter thrives when there's an otherwise total void of news.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:35:43
It does confuse me a little as to why they haven't learned that such things will find their way into the supporters hands, especially when they include public notices.  Next time, given this is the second time already, they should probably realise that fans will find out, so better to just get out in front of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:37:35
It does confuse me a little as to why they haven't learned that such things will find their way into the supporters hands, especially when they include public notices.  Next time, given this is the second time already, they should probably realise that fans will find out, so better to just get out in front of it.

Do you think other clubs owners have to update their fans on company business that is completely unrelated to the club?

Is Dale Vince updating the FGR fans on the structures of Ecotricity? I doubt it.

Our fans are just fucking nuts.

Edit - That’s not aimed at you Rob, it’s the the twitter folk who wanted to create a meltdown.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:41:30
Good point. Cunts are lying then

Not sure I’ve said that at all, was merely making a comment. I’m glad all is well with the club. Now let’s focus on getting a decent team on the pitch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:41:46
Strange how so few were interested when Power took over with a string of known bankruptcies behind him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:41:55
At least the Axis services group remains strong and nothing to be concerned about😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:42:39
I would expect Dale Vince to provide an update if he was liquidating a business within Ecotricity, in that case even more so given they sponsor the club as well.  I was just suggesting he already went through this once when the other UK business was liquidated.  It's going to happen every time, better to be ahead of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:43:55
Things like this gain little traction when things are going well

Things like this catch the eye when things aren’t going well

Things like this cause meltdowns when things aren’t going well and there’s a lack of other things to talk about

Same for every club in the football league


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:44:55
Strange how so few were interested when Power took over with a string of known bankruptcies behind him.

I am pretty certain I was very suspect, not least because I knew the local sports reporter that had to deal with him at Cambridge Utd.  Even our "good" owners have left us in the shit - anyone wanting to be involved should expect a high degree of eye squinting skepticism around these parts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:57:43
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Strange how so few were interested when Power took over with a string of known bankruptcies behind him.

a fair few questioned it is my recollection


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 24, 2023, 17:00:22
If you can be arsed, resurrect the old thread on here when he was taking over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 00:02:26
Always found statements are like meetings It's not what is said that is important. It's what's not said.

Just hope for all stakeholders there will be more smiles than tears in the near future.


COYRs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 11:40:28
Clem on BBC Wiltshire earlier saying nothing to worry about


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 11:50:42
Clem on BBC Wiltshire earlier saying nothing to worry about

He speaks....they have wheeled him out to talk about his businesses rather than stfc business


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kaufman on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 12:15:33
There you go. Around 16 minutes and hopefully will put some fans at ease.

Signing wise, if we get Kinsella and a big defender in before Colchester, then I'll take that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fy634r


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 12:36:15
Signing wise, if we get Kinsella and a big defender in before Colchester, then I'll take that.
I said exactly this to a fellow TEF'er about 20 mins ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 12:38:24
There you go. Around 16 minutes and hopefully will put some fans at ease. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fy634r

Nice to finally hear from him. £250 million in turnover isn't that big for a business in that industry though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 12:54:50
Turnover means fuck all - it’s net profit that’s important.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 13:01:17
Turnover means fuck all - it’s net profit that’s important.

I know that. I was just stating that I would have expected a global construction company to have a higher turnover, that's all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 13:30:17
it's good to hear from Clem though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 13:42:14
More promising interview... patience town fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 13:44:39
Good interview. Worth a thousand advisory boards. Good questions from Andrew Hawes as ever. Fair play to Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 13:49:53
Good interview. Worth a thousand advisory boards. Good questions from Andrew Hawes as ever. Fair play to Clem.
Is it Hawes interviewing him? didn't sound like Hawes to me. Either that or Hawes was sat on the loo during it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 13:55:55
It's Hawes. Some interesting quotes:

"You can throw money around, lots of clubs have thrown money around, it doesn't mean you actually get better players. Last season we threw a bit of cash around and tried to get players but if you don't understand the league, you can throw as much money as you want here, it doesn't mean you're going to get promoted"

"Hawes: Have you been able to provide them with more funds than last season?"
"I don't really want to talk about budgets, but we're going through all the numbers, we don't want to sign players who are just going to sit there and not actually play." (bit more to that, but essentially, question dodged)

Lots of talk about how he wants to take a more back seat role in terms of public persona and day to day running of the club - which to be fair he did say from Day 1.

Axis secondees understand how he (Clem) works and can help support the club and the development in particular.

Putting money in behind the scenes - to the ground (maintenance, not the new developments), to the pitch to the academy etc. Building the right foundation for generations to come.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 14:06:44
Excellent interview. Agree that’s so much better than a fans forum, with diversionary questions about the price of chips. He’s so much more confident talking about business than football. Best I’ve heard him speak - but then he makes some sensible points about the football too.

He’s right that we don’t guarantee success by signing players, but alongside that they’ve got to make sure we progress. Over to you Flynn and Jamie Russell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 14:19:59
That is the role the Trust should be playing, once per month, instead of the current format of submitting e-mail questions and getting one word responses or three line whip answers.

Even in that interview, Hawes lets him off a small detail right at the start - he asked about a Winding-Up order and Clem responds by talking about the NSW business being liquidated following a restructure.  The Winding-Up order was petitioned in the UK against the UK business (no idea on how that played out in court, or if it was delayed or dismissed).  Again, it is very likely nothing to worry about, but it is the sort of line of questioning you want to do with a person knowing you have 30-60 minutes with them.

Seems pretty certain Axis have the gig on the ground - to be expected.

Overall - this is what you want from the Chairman/CEO of a football club.  I fully appreciate he has a day job, and a night job - BUT, you buy a football club, expect the irritation of it consuming far too much time relative to turnover.  It's not a normal business.  Someone at the club would be well served by getting him and Rob to give them some bullet points from which they pull together an Exec update once per month - they could even parse it into a bunch of smaller updates over a few weeks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 14:28:22
That is the role the Trust should be playing, once per month, instead of the current format of submitting e-mail questions and getting one word responses or three line whip answers.

Even in that interview, Hawes lets him off a small detail right at the start - he asked about a Winding-Up order and Clem responds by talking about the NSW business being liquidated following a restructure.  The Winding-Up order was petitioned in the UK against the UK business (no idea on how that played out in court, or if it was delayed or dismissed).  Again, it is very likely nothing to worry about, but it is the sort of line of questioning you want to do with a person knowing you have 30-60 minutes with them.

Seems pretty certain Axis have the gig on the ground - to be expected.

Overall - this is what you want from the Chairman/CEO of a football club.  I fully appreciate he has a day job, and a night job - BUT, you buy a football club, expect the irritation of it consuming far too much time relative to turnover.  It's not a normal business.  Someone at the club would be well served by getting him and Rob to give them some bullet points from which they pull together an Exec update once per month - they could even parse it into a bunch of smaller updates over a few weeks.

As discussed, I do think that the current Trust hierarchy are either too focussed on the Stadium JV, which is to be expected, or too compromised by their relationship with Zav to act as most other Trusts would. They either need to separate out the stadium element or a new body is required. Where were they on just accepting that the Advisory Board fulfils the EFL requirement for a fan's forum for example? No right minded fan believes that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 16:02:08
Quote from: Frigby Daser
Excellent interview. Agree that’s so much better than a fans forum, 

disagree there, but better than the AB.

in fact I thought it showed why a fans forum is miles better than written q&a.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 17:02:16
The AB is useful for keeping a track of the bigger picture.
It's not only about the questions.
Yeah, the club could maybe devote a bit more care & attention to some of the responses.

Duff questions are just as likely to crop up in a fans forum or a phone in as they are via email.
Direct answers can also be avoided in a fans forum or in interviews etc.

Just a case of the club striking a balance with AB, forums, phone ins & interviews re the dissemination of information.

The benchmark to aim for is in keeping the relentless Mooneyraker happy I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 17:54:20
The AB is useful for keeping a track of the bigger picture.
It's not only about the questions.
Yeah, the club could maybe devote a bit more care & attention to some of the responses.

Duff questions are just as likely to crop up in a fans forum or a phone in as they are via email.
Direct answers can also be avoided in a fans forum or in interviews etc.

Just a case of the club striking a balance with AB, forums, phone ins & interviews re the dissemination of information.

The benchmark to aim for is in keeping the relentless Mooneyraker happy I guess.

This is spot on. And I’d say that they’ve placed far too much emphasis on the ABs recently and neglected the others, unless you are a 15 year old on TSTBL.

And yes, keeping long term fans/customers happy is the benchmark for most successful businesses.

Not sure why I’m drawing your ire but hey, thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 18:24:48
This is spot on. And I’d say that they’ve placed far too much emphasis on the ABs recently and neglected the others, unless you are a 15 year old on TSTBL.

And yes, keeping long term fans/customers happy is the benchmark for most successful businesses.

Not sure why I’m drawing your ire but hey, thanks.

No ire from me. Waste of energy.
You make some interesting points on a generally consistent basis.
That's a good thing. :thumb:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 18:38:34
Physio is leaving.

Going to work for the MOD or something


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 18:42:31
Hope they got someone lined up with the new season almost here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 18:43:36
Its being advertised on the club website


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 18:44:13
Cheers Tans


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 19:15:49
That is the role the Trust should be playing, once per month, instead of the current format of submitting e-mail questions and getting one word responses or three line whip answers.

Even in that interview, Hawes lets him off a small detail right at the start - he asked about a Winding-Up order and Clem responds by talking about the NSW business being liquidated following a restructure.  The Winding-Up order was petitioned in the UK against the UK business (no idea on how that played out in court, or if it was delayed or dismissed).  Again, it is very likely nothing to worry about, but it is the sort of line of questioning you want to do with a person knowing you have 30-60 minutes with them.

Seems pretty certain Axis have the gig on the ground - to be expected.

Overall - this is what you want from the Chairman/CEO of a football club.  I fully appreciate he has a day job, and a night job - BUT, you buy a football club, expect the irritation of it consuming far too much time relative to turnover.  It's not a normal business.  Someone at the club would be well served by getting him and Rob to give them some bullet points from which they pull together an Exec update once per month - they could even parse it into a bunch of smaller updates over a few weeks.

On the letting him off bit, I think the language used has caused confusion. The point of the interview was on the Axis liquidation not the winding up order, I think AH used the wrong term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 19:50:35
We also don’t have a groundsman until August, the game at the weekend should be interesting. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 19:56:33
We also don’t have a groundsman until August, the game at the weekend should be interesting. 

Comments like this bug me, because you are implying the pitch hasn’t been touched since Marcus left, which just isn’t true is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:00:03
Comments like this bug me, because you are implying the pitch hasn’t been touched since Marcus left, which just isn’t true is it?

Comments that are true….you may think you know it all, however you do not! Trust me when I say this, we have no one prepping the pitch until the new guy starts. Which is august.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:07:47
Comments that are true….you may think you know it all, however you do not! Trust me when I say this, we have no one prepping the pitch until the new guy starts. Which is august.

I saw the pitch being cut from inside the ground a good week after MC left the building.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:09:24
Comments that are true….you may think you know it all, however you do not! Trust me when I say this, we have no one prepping the pitch until the new guy starts. Which is august.

Pitch has being maintained by 2 x 3rd party suppliers until new Head Groundsman starts on Aug 1st. So has been maintained at great cost!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:09:55
We have a game on Saturday, it'll be relatively obvious if there's 6 inches of grass and no pitch markings. And entertaining too!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:10:55
Comments that are true….you may think you know it all, however you do not! Trust me when I say this, we have no one prepping the pitch until the new guy starts. Which is august.

It’s been subbied out, but then you knew that, didn’t you?

Really don’t understand the need for people to start rumours that just aren’t true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:12:48
It’s been subbied out, but then you knew that, didn’t you?

Really don’t understand the need for people to start rumours that just aren’t true.

Not starting rumours at all….facts


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:13:17
Pitch has being maintained by 2 x 3rd party suppliers until new Head Groundsman starts on Aug 1st. So has been maintained at great cost!


Ask Rob if the goal nets were found….

It’s a shambles at the mo!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:14:58
Ask Rob if the goal nets were found….
That's not the pitch though is it, goal nets.. changing your original statement now.. The pitch has been maintained, which you stated it had not..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:16:31
Genuine question: Do we know why there is a change of groundsman? Was it a club decision or did the former groundsman tender his resignation?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:17:35
Genuine question: Do we know why there is a change of groundsman? Was it a club decision or did the former groundsman tender his resignation?

Marcus has some personal issues that need to be addressed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:18:46
That's not the pitch though is it, goal nets.. changing your original statement now.. The pitch has been maintained, which you stated it had not..

Not sure I have tbh. However, burry your head in the sand (which the pitch is at the mo).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:20:15
Marcus has some personal issues that need to be addressed.

I’ve no issues with Marcus’s personal situation, I actually feel for the bloke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:20:42
Marcus has some personal issues that need to be addressed.
Thank you


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:21:42
Not sure I have tbh. However, burry your head in the sand (which the pitch is at the mo).

So you think they’ve spent thousands on the pitch this pre season, and then just left it with no maintenance?  :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:24:31
Sometimes, when you have limited talent onboard, a shit pitch can be quite useful.  It's no coincidence that Luton, Oldham and QPR had great periods of success with those old artificial pitches (not sure why Preston didn't capitalise as much).

Over here there is much nattering about the clubs who have Turf (4G) pitches that are "refusing" to switch to grass to accommodate Messi.  Mostly because people sold their tickets for massively inflated prices as soon as he signed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:25:43
So you think they’ve spent thousands on the pitch this pre season, and then just left it with no maintenance?  :doh:

Million dollar question however from what I’ve been told they have. I’ve been told that the pitch will not be in a good state for the preseason game sat. If I’m proved wrong then I’ll happily take all the back….the exact words I was told was “it’s a complete shambles”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:32:50
That's not the pitch though is it, goal nets.. changing your original statement now.. The pitch has been maintained, which you stated it had not..

I'd rather hope we have goal nets as well though mind...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:33:30
I'd rather hope we have goal nets as well though mind...

Don’t even have a goal frame at moment, just using bibs this weekend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:34:07
Jumpers for goals posts, isn't it, mmmmm


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:35:03
Don’t even have a goal frame at moment, just using bibs this weekend.

Missing a commercial opportunity, could offer a "be a Goalpost" package - £150 each (plus VAT), all you have to do is be able to hold up a crossbar between you and not flinch too much when the ball hits you. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:35:09
Don’t even have a goal frame at moment, just using bibs this weekend.

Surely we will be using jumpers, anything else would be just wrong


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:36:41
It was in

No, it was over, by miles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:39:29
Surely we will be using jumpers, anything else would be just wrong

Jumpers are more expensive than bibs, and we are skint, remember?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:41:50
Pitch has being maintained by 2 x 3rd party suppliers until new Head Groundsman starts on Aug 1st. So has been maintained at great cost!


I hope it's the Parkie out of Viz  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:44:56
Jumpers are more expensive than bibs, and we are skint, remember?

Players need to bring their own, obviously


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:46:03
New goalpost sponsors announced tomorrow at 5pm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:47:04
No ire from me. Waste of energy.
You make some interesting points on a generally consistent basis.
That's a good thing. :thumb:

Thanks!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 25, 2023, 20:52:31
Quote from: Nemo
Missing a commercial opportunity, could offer a "be a Goalpost" package - £150 each (plus VAT), all you have to do is be able to hold up a crossbar between you and not flinch too much when the ball hits you. 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 05:03:29
Million dollar question however from what I’ve been told they have. I’ve been told that the pitch will not be in a good state for the preseason game sat. If I’m proved wrong then I’ll happily take all the back….the exact words I was told was “it’s a complete shambles”

So you are basically being a grass?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 05:40:28
I'd rather hope we have goal nets as well though mind...

Faxed PAFC to bring some, it’s sorted now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 07:19:14
So you are basically being a grass?

He's trying to seed doubt in supporters' minds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 08:02:23
He's trying to seed doubt in supporters' minds.

He can sod off then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 09:00:18
Sod it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 09:09:24
Sod it.

That’s what I thought I’d typed except sod became ‘did’ how I’ll never know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 09:10:36
Hopefully the club will root him out and then turf him out too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 09:18:33
Don't dig too deep.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:01:50
Do we have a new groundsman? Anyone pitch for it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:03:49
Do we have a new groundsman? Anyone pitch for it?

Will be applying in spades.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:13:09
Wonder if we can fork out for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:15:27
Wonder if we can fork out for it.

Shouldn’t cost mulch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:15:53
This is all getting a bit too mulch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:16:06
Shouldn’t cost mulch.

You fucker.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:18:46
You fucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAtGOESO7W8&pp=ygUYc293aW5nIHRoZSBzZWVkcyBvZiBsb3Zl


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:19:17
Late change of opponent on Saturday, Pilgrims replaced by the Blades.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:22:07
And in other news..

The seven seeds of Rye (grass) has be remastered by Super Grass.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:22:34
Wonder if we can fork out for it.

I doubt it, we aren’t currently raking it in


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:22:58
I doubt it, we aren’t currently raking it in

Hoe, hoe, hoe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:24:25
Should probably thank Hyabb as this last four pages has been the most fun I've had on the forum all summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:30:46
Should probably thank Hyabb as this last four pages has been the most fun I've had on the forum all summer.
Not been much of a target to hit TBH has it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:41:58
The mower the merrier


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:43:32
Not been much of a target to hit TBH has it.

No but it has been quite a lawn time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:45:34
Time to turf out all those dragging this thread off toipc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:49:22
Time to turf out all those dragging this thread off toipc.

I agree. This conversation has hardly been a bed of roses


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:58:43
Time to turf out all those dragging this thread off toipc.

Hay! That’s not fair.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 10:58:55
Time to turf out all those dragging this thread off toipc.

Clippings around the ear for all involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 11:00:24
Clippings around the ear for all involved.

A good com post, green with envy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: AldbourneRed on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 11:11:37
This is getting ridiculous now, probably best if everyone leaves it alone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 11:19:29
This is getting ridiculous now, probably best if everyone leaves it alone
I agree, probably best they all stay off the weed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 11:20:57
Good job we’re not playing Sheffield United Saturday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:13:03
I agree, probably best they all stay off the weed.
Stop grassing on people


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:17:39
Hope we improve on last season because you needed to be half cut to watch it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:21:25
It's all mown mown mown with you lot


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:27:02
It's all mown mown mown with you lot
Don't make JJ have to turf you out


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:27:35
Players need to bring their own, obviously
Don't need a strip we will go skins


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:41:09
Don't make JJ have to turf you out
Its ok it wont be furlong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:43:58
Its ok it wont be furlong.
Not if they keep horsing around


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 12:49:16
Not if they keep horsing around

Neigh lad


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 13:20:56
What has this place become? 3 horse puns on the trot....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 13:23:32
What has this place become? 3 horse puns on the trot....
Probably time we reined it in a bit


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 13:23:51
Why the long face?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 13:25:32
At least we have a stable club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 14:48:55
At least we have a stable club

Reminds me, when are we playing the Saddlers?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 14:53:29
Never Mind The Fetlocks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 15:17:05
Hope there's no hoofball this year  :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 15:20:24
The players will have to jockey for position


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 15:22:02
Unbridled joy when we win promotion :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Family at War on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 15:26:38
Should have signed Mason Mount


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 15:36:56
Don’t be so blinkered


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 15:43:35
Don’t be so blinkered

No doubt Flynn will be cracking the whip.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 19:16:55
This preseason really has been a mare.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 20:47:47
Quote
This preseason really has been a mare.
try to keep your optimistic Mr Ed on


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 11:41:56
Million dollar question however from what I’ve been told they have. I’ve been told that the pitch will not be in a good state for the preseason game sat. If I’m proved wrong then I’ll happily take all the back….the exact words I was told was “it’s a complete shambles”

Safe to say you were completely wrong, pitch looks absolutely spotless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 11:43:48
Safe to say you were completely wrong, pitch looks absolutely spotless.

Bar some slightly wonky lines drawn on  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 11:45:34
Bar some slightly wonky lines drawn on  :D

Yes, probably trying to avoid all the dandelions whilst doing the lines.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 11:50:15
Safe to say you were completely wrong, pitch looks absolutely spotless.

Personally I think it looks patchy but thanks for you input anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 11:53:33
I mean it doesn’t look pristine and spotless…but…is also doesn’t look like it’s been left untouched for 3 weeks either…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 11:56:28
Personally I think it looks patchy but thanks for you input anyway.

It’s certainly better then you made it out to be.

They’ve even got nets up, believe it or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 12:02:55
It’s certainly better then you made it out to be.

They’ve even got nets up, believe it or not.

Fair point & I’ll accept that.

No jumpers, that is a shame


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, August 1, 2023, 17:21:49
Club shop very busy this morning, only went to pick up ST's & Peterborough ticket.
Points make prizes scramble for FGR & Wrexham tickets I guess.

It's good that the club carried the loyalty points forward for those, which of course then results in a mini drama being played out for about 50% of the transactions.
Good business for the club as invariably people will pick up a trinket or 2 as well.
Didn't go for the Bamboo Wireless Charger though as the instruction manual looked to be about 500 pages.
Sorry Kev.  ;)

And the added excitement of witnessing the aftermath of the Gorse Hill stabbing when passing through on the bus home.
Not nice.
Everyone lives in a Sin City of one form or another these days.

Anyway, didn't want to pay 50p for the CG car park so took the bus in!
Did get the step count up though.




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 00:36:25

Didn't go for the Bamboo Wireless Charger though as the instruction manual looked to be about 500 pages.
Sorry Kev.  ;)


I had fun writing that one   :D

Sorry to hear you had to witness the other thing though pal. Not particularly nice  :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 06:58:26
Done decent footage of the win over Plymouth. Apologies if someone has already put it up

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/county-ground-uncut-plymouth-argyle-h/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 07:52:49
Didn't want to put this in the transfer thread, but has anyone heard any rumours that Clem has put the club up for sale?

I've absolutely nothing ITK at all, and it's probably Chinese whispers, but thought I'd pose the question anyway?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:04:05
Didn't want to put this in the transfer thread, but has anyone heard any rumours that Clem has put the club up for sale?

I've absolutely nothing ITK at all, and it's probably Chinese whispers, but thought I'd pose the question anyway?
I think there has been a number of whispers since the turn of the year, and some very random murmurs and links do crop up form time to time that sound almost too random to have been made up. The two which I recall are:
-Someone had been on holiday in Lake Como and local gossip was apparently their multi-billionaire owners had explored buying the club, which also lines up with why Marc Bircham randomly had a Manager interview here back in January. Dennis Wise and Phil Smith both at the club too.
-Someone on Facebook claiming StarSports betting had submitted an offer to buy the club.

The above most likely falls into the 80% bollocks category, but I don't recall as many random rumours during previous ownerships.

Clems recent moves have all felt long term driven so don't personally believe he's looking to sell in the immediate, but recently the holding companies memorandums of understanding were updated in a way which facilitated selling of shares/business in an easier manner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:08:02
Possible 3rd party investment? That's a question not a statement  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:14:27
I think there has been a number of whispers since the turn of the year, and some very random murmurs and links do crop up form time to time that sound almost too random to have been made up. The two which I recall are:
-Someone had been on holiday in Lake Como and local gossip was apparently their multi-billionaire owners had explored buying the club, which also lines up with why Marc Bircham randomly had a Manager interview here back in January. Dennis Wise and Phil Smith both at the club too.
-Someone on Facebook claiming StarSports betting had submitted an offer to buy the club.

The above most likely falls into the 80% bollocks category, but I don't recall as many random rumours during previous ownerships.

Clems recent moves have all felt long term driven so don't personally believe he's looking to sell in the immediate, but recently the holding companies memorandums of understanding were updated in a way which facilitated selling of shares/business in an easier manner.

Could now having the stadium renovations in play change the end game with him? I wonder how the club/trust would answer the question of whether the club is up for sale on the AB minutes.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:19:49
Could now having the stadium renovations in play change the end game with him? I wonder how the club/trust would answer the question of whether the club is up for sale on the AB minutes.  :hmmm:
Answer the question with complete denial that it's up for sale and that Clem is commited to his 10 year plan, only for a sale then being announced a matter of days later would be the outcome I expect knowing us  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:21:56
Answer the question with complete denial that it's up for sale and that Clem is commited to his 10 year plan, only for a sale then being announced a matter of days later to a group of Dublin gangsters would be the outcome I expect knowing us  :D

Corrected for you :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:24:20
Corrected for you :)
:D
It's inevitable


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:26:15
I'd imagine that Morfuni is open to selling as long as a condition of the sale is that Axis get the construction work. That complicates things, because that deal would then need to be negotiated as well as the sale of the club. New owners wouldn't simply write a blank cheque to Axis. I also wonder how new owners would view the fan ownership of the ground (accepting that this is a great safety net for survival, but does it inhibit new investment from owners that want full ownership of the ground?....).

It's tricky. We're in the process, it seems, of watching a slow but steady reduction in our league status because the owners have the intention but not the means to financially compete with the best in League 2. We're at the stage that we're potentially giving up one of our good prospects in Lavinier because we can't pay a tribunal fee to a village team....If that's the case, then it is difficult to see what a realistic long-term plan is. Muddle along, on a shoestring budget (or at least one that is mid-table) and *hope* that we don't fall through the trapdoor. If we go up, then what? We certainly couldn't financially compete then without more investment. Michael Doughty, now's the time to see that the future is STFC and not trainers....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:28:47
He is not selling at all. 100 percent false that the club is up for sale


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 08:30:29
For any football club, the ground always seems to be the golden egg, the piece of real estate that's your biggest asset. For a new consortium/investor to come in and not have access to that asset, surely makes it not very appealing. The only real way for them to make money is to come in, invest heavily, get up the leagues and then sell onto a more wealthy consortium when in the Championship/Premiership. That's a huge gamble based on where we are currently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 09:03:54
I'm sure if the right offer came up, he would be stupid not to sell? 

The stadium not being owned 100% by the club I doubt is an issue, with a long lease agreed they can still do what they want re development and the land isn't worth much due to the covenants on the land.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 09:44:26
@wobby - park in Tesco car park. Walk to get steps up :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 10:10:18
For any football club, the ground always seems to be the golden egg, the piece of real estate that's your biggest asset. For a new consortium/investor to come in and not have access to that asset, surely makes it not very appealing. The only real way for them to make money is to come in, invest heavily, get up the leagues and then sell onto a more wealthy consortium when in the Championship/Premiership. That's a huge gamble based on where we are currently.

How exactly do you "not have access" to it? You half own it and only have to pay "rent" to the fans on the other half, which is then reinvested in the club anyway.

It doesn't really stop you doing anything unless its unscrupulous.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 10:16:11
How exactly do you "not have access" to it? You half own it and only have to pay "rent" to the fans on the other half, which is then reinvested in the club anyway.

It doesn't really stop you doing anything unless its unscrupulous.

Yeah my wording was very poor. I guess not having "complete" access would have been more accurate. I guess it probably helps keep the more unscrupulous owners away, which is clearly a positive thing. The chances of having a wealthy scrupulous owner that is passionate about STFC does seem minimal though, sadly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 10:48:07
Yeah, it might make it harder to sell, but hopefully less likely to end up with a bunch of Jed McCroaaarry chancers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 10:49:07
Suspect the club has been for sale since day 1 if someone made the right offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 10:49:21
I'm sure if the right offer came up, he would be stupid not to sell? 

The stadium not being owned 100% by the club I doubt is an issue, with a long lease agreed they can still do what they want re development and the land isn't worth much due to the covenants on the land.

Ask every fan owned club, it takes one Extraordinary AGM of the shareholders/Trust and a highly highly recommended yes and it's done in no time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 12:46:00
Clem basically became the owner by accident. Of course he wants out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:09:00
Clem basically became the owner by accident. Of course he wants out.
No he doesn’t,not at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cowley38 on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:15:10
No he doesn’t,not at all.

You sure!

Seriously underestimated cost of running a football club...

Threw all his money into promotion on his 1st season....
Failure last season was a massive disappointment


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:15:47
No he doesn’t,not at all.

Ultimately he will want to sell at some point. That point may be now, tomorrow or in 10 years. But I’m quite sure he doesn’t see himself as the owner in 25 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:22:00
You sure!

Seriously underestimated cost of running a football club...

Threw all his money into promotion on his 1st season....
Failure last season was a massive disappointment
Yes 100 percent sure


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Cowley38 on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:29:48
Yes 100 percent sure

We will see.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:34:17
I find myself somewhere between Dean's 100% sure and Cowley here.  I suspect if you ask him right now, he'd say he is not selling up, he is in for the project.

I do though suspect the mood music is different after only two years - I think he burned through more than he hoped and we certainly seem to be trying to run at break even (I honestly do not think you can do that and compete here anymore).  He now appears, two years late, to be trying to get the business sorted, after leaving it to others to dangle new fangled theories or peddle their own desires.

I think the ground development will eventually be his end game exit if he doesn't get the business running at a profit asap (which seems unlikely).

I do not begrudge him an exit either, he may well be the first owner to sell the club in a better state than he was handed it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:38:41
I find myself somewhere between Dean's 100% sure and Cowley here.  I suspect if you ask him right now, he'd say he is not selling up, he is in for the project.

I do though suspect the mood music is different after only two years - I think he burned through more than he hoped and we certainly seem to be trying to run at break even (I honestly do not think you can do that and compete here anymore).  He now appears, two years late, to be trying to get the business sorted, after leaving it to others to dangle new fangled theories or peddle their own desires.

I think the ground development will eventually be his end game exit if he doesn't get the business running at a profit asap (which seems unlikely).

I do not begrudge him an exit either, he may well be the first owner to sell the club in a better state than he was handed it.
Exactly Rob my response was in reply to that the club is up for sale and he is looking to sell.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 13:59:34
Suspect the club has been for sale since day 1 if someone made the right offer.

Everyone and everything has its price. Just need a willing seller and a willing buyer in the same room at the same time to make it happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 17:53:22
Everyone and everything has its price. Just need a willing seller and a willing buyer in the same room at the same time to make it happen.

The same as your house, if it’s not on the market it’s not actively for sale.
If someone knocked on your door & offered you double what it’s actually worth you’d have to think seriously about it & most would probably sell


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 17:54:47
What time is the event with Flynn this evening? Anyone who is going please keep us updated on here! Will be interesting to see hear what is said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 2, 2023, 19:29:20
I was thinking about the need to increase Revenue, the fact we now have the ground and a need to be creative.  The concept of plonking a roof on the Bank seems pointless to me - all cost, no return.

In the medium term I understand developing something basic there to satisfy the need to do a proper job on the Town End.

I'd mentioned, half tongue in cheek, a throw away idea of sticking some temporary sort of Hospitality option behind that goal and had witnessed some very creative corporate facilities in the MLS.

A very quick Google shows this could be very doable in a very short time frame:

this sort of thing  https://www.falconstructures.com/blog/conex-containers-change-the-game-for-sports-facilities

http://www.ikoniq.com/projects/3/roll-out-the-red-carpet-with-container-hospitality-suites/

Turns out Qatar even built one of their stadiums using them - maybe they still have their corporate boxes made of containers available for purchase (as was the plan post tournament).

This can be added to the water dispenser idea that it turns out Wembley already did that I had.  No fee STFC, take the ideas and run.......


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 13:00:23

I do not begrudge him an exit either, he may well be the first owner to sell the club in a better state than he was handed it.

Exactly this. I know some people on here like to talk about the Black era as  an ownership high point but it left us in no better position than we started. In the same league, in debt and with zero increase in tangible assets. A ground we didn't own and which was badly in need of renovation, inadequate corporate facilities, no training ground of our own, a neglected academy, no significant non-match day income streams and little to point to in terms of our community engagement.

I know we scoff sometimes at the club's sponsorship and foundation announcements, but they're all positive moves. The ground and the foundation park is starting to look like a proper professional campus. We've a wall load of corporate sponsors that help to provide some income. There are plans in development to rebuild the ground. Most importantly we're not constantly looking like we're on the brink.of receivership.

Getting it right on the pitch doesn't come for certain when you get the club stable and moving forward as a business, but it sure as hell helps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 13:13:43
What time is the event with Flynn this evening? Anyone who is going please keep us updated on here! Will be interesting to see hear what is said.

Assume it was poorly attended not heard anything from anyone that went


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RJack on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 13:20:05
J
Assume it was poorly attended not heard anything from anyone that went

Jan posted a summary a few pages back


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 13:32:51
Assume it was poorly attended not heard anything from anyone that went

I think there were approx 100 people there, room was pretty full..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 14:04:33
On another note, apparently Bristol Rovers started building a new stand without planning permission


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 14:07:56
Exactly this. I know some people on here like to talk about the Black era as  an ownership high point but it left us in no better position than we started. In the same league, in debt and with zero increase in tangible assets. A ground we didn't own and which was badly in need of renovation, inadequate corporate facilities, no training ground of our own, a neglected academy, no significant non-match day income streams and little to point to in terms of our community engagement.

I know we scoff sometimes at the club's sponsorship and foundation announcements, but they're all positive moves. The ground and the foundation park is starting to look like a proper professional campus. We've a wall load of corporate sponsors that help to provide some income. There are plans in development to rebuild the ground. Most importantly we're not constantly looking like we're on the brink.of receivership.

Getting it right on the pitch doesn't come for certain when you get the club stable and moving forward as a business, but it sure as hell helps.

Yeah the Black ownership did fuck all for the ground or anything long term at all. They iust spunked a bit too much money under Di Canio and lumbered us in a much worse state with Jed and his band or merry men at the end of it all. 

Missed opportunity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 14:16:30
On another note, apparently Bristol Rovers started building a new stand without planning permission
  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Dicks


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 3, 2023, 14:21:55
On another note, apparently Bristol Rovers started building a new stand without planning permission
This makes me happy!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 4, 2023, 13:01:57
Does anybody actually answer the phone to the ticket office


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, August 4, 2023, 13:49:44
Does anybody actually answer the phone to the ticket office

Very busy in there today, phone was not being answered at all and constantly going off.
Only 2 members off staff and dealing with season tickets FGR & Wrexham tickets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 4, 2023, 13:54:18
Great. Can’t book on line, no answer on phone. Glad I bought 2 STs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:16:24
Charlie Austin on talksport this afternoon saying top half is the target this year

Where was that when they were trying to sell season tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:19:18
Charlie Austin on talksport this afternoon saying top half is the target this year

Where was that when they were trying to sell season tickets
Drowned out in your relentless positivity 😂😂😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:20:12
🥰


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:23:11
Not great to hear though on a serious note is it. Maybe he thinks he’s keeping it on the low down saying that as I’m sure he’s said differently closer to home


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:34:57
Not great to hear though on a serious note is it. Maybe he thinks he’s keeping it on the low down saying that as I’m sure he’s said differently closer to home

Probably learned from coming in, in January, saying we wanted promotion.

We all know what happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:41:26
Surprised to hear that being said publicly, jesus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:43:18
I know I bang this drum but the club's comms, including prepping players for interview with lines to take it would seem, are an amateur hour shitshow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:54:04
Last season Lindsey and MacDonald were both publicly saying promotion was the goal in the buildup to Harrogate, for comparison. Still, let's hope for under promise, over deliver...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, August 4, 2023, 14:55:27
Lindsay also said we would play fast attacking football!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:08:11
I told my misses she didn’t look fat in that dress, all the same isn’t it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:10:01
Pics or STFU


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:10:47
Charlie Austin on talksport this afternoon saying top half is the target this year

Where was that when they were trying to sell season tickets

In his defence - all the promotion spots are in the top half.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:34:18
I’ve just listened to the Charlie Austin interview,  very different to how its been made out. Imagine my shock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:37:51
To begin with he says

Quote
There are 18/19 teams who would say that they want to be promoted, we are one of them. We will give it out best shot and we’ve certainly given ourselves a good shot.

Later on he says

Quote
Our expectations are top half. There are some big teams in this league. I’d like to say we definitely want to be fighting to get in the plays offs, if we are below the top half it will be a big disappointment. If you are in the top half anything goes and you can be challenging come the end of the season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:40:39
Oh i thought he just said top half ffs :headhurts:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:43:18
To begin with he says

Later on he says


Better.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:44:17
For those that want to listen:

https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1691125200/1691137800/


It’s on around 09:40am.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:50:32
I’ve just listened to the Charlie Austin interview,  very different to how its been made out. Imagine my shock.

I’ve imagined your shock & pictured it something like this


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 4, 2023, 15:51:14
I’ve imagined your shock & pictured it something like this

 :D :D

Bang on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kaufman on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 18:53:31
A graphic designer on twitter is claiming the club have used his designs for our line up social media posts.
Club are getting pellets for it and hope it gets resolved quickly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 19:03:09
They really don’t help themselves at times.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 19:07:56
Edit, apologies, my dodgy app doesn't load big threads properly so missed it had been posted already

------
this annoys me from the club. Assuming it is as presented we are taking the piss

https://twitter.com/jamesmaldesign/status/1687893386412400640?t=igB95S5HhMT9UuBPLm5ZFQ&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 19:11:51
I get his point but I don’t think the two designs are near enough to call it a copy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 19:15:45
Nowhere near the same. Teams all wrong 😉



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 19:22:37
I get his point but I don’t think the two designs are near enough to call it a copy.

Seriously?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 19:56:23
Pretty blatant plagiarism, isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 20:06:25
Like, I don’t get the design industry but for the most part it’s white text on a red background.
The background having the same pattern as our shirt.

Can you really ‘own’ white text on a red background?

Why would that even need to be outsourced to a designer in the first place. Could have got flammableBen to do it on paint…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 20:11:13
Exactly that- there are only so many ways  you can do a team sheet. If you want paying why produce a ‘sample’ without any agreement first.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 20:28:06
The club one is miles better


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 22:39:06
It doesn't really matter, still principle. Very scumbag behaviour from the club. You just don't commercially use someone's work without paying them for it. Simple


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Saturday, August 5, 2023, 23:21:09
It doesn't really matter, still principle. Very scumbag behaviour from the club. You just don't commercially use someone's work without paying them for it. Simple

Maybe take a look at your avatar Mr Pot :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 02:41:12
Like, I don’t get the design industry but for the most part it’s white text on a red background.
The background having the same pattern as our shirt.

Can you really ‘own’ white text on a red background?

Why would that even need to be outsourced to a designer in the first place. Could have got flammableBen to do it on paint…

I agree. There aren’t enough similarities for it to be called a rip off in my book. A red background and a player on the right hand side does not a plagiarism make.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 06:27:15
I agree. There aren’t enough similarities for it to be called a rip off in my book. A red background and a player on the right hand side does not a plagiarism make.

There are five aspects to the design for something this simple:

Layout
Colour scheme
Font
Background
Wording / graphical content

Of these three are the same between the two designs and one is pretty similar. But:

Colour scheme is a given and probably predefined by the club to fit the corporate / club brand
Wording isn't identical but is unavoidably similar, graphical content is provided by the club, as it's primarily the new official team photos, or again is a given, club logos
Layout is unavoidably the same given the above. The vertical nature of a team sheet means two columns of content is the only practical layout. Most squad photos are facing left as you look at them. They'd have to be placed right or look stupid. Headings above that, subs below can't really be avoided.
Which leaves background, which is somebody else's design, and may have been something else the club mandated. Or it's the designers only significant design choice that has actually been used in the finished version.

Most of this rests on what brief and content was provided by the club to the designer. But unless this was thrown together in a couple of hours in the last 48, I'm assuming they provided some pack of stuff for it,  as the photos and squad numbers weren't public until recently.

If the club provided the photo pack, logo, pantone colours or RGB numbers to be used, and the background design then I'm not sure of the creative contribution of the graphic designer in this case.





Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wokinghamred on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 08:05:37
Other clubs using the exact same design/layout as Swindon ie Lincoln

So who copied who?




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: wokinghamred on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 08:06:33
https://twitter.com/LincolnCity_FC/status/1687810689274961920/photo/1


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 08:10:18
Yeah, it's not exactly a complex subject is it? A list of players, a picture of a player, the colour needs to be red etc... as alluded to by lumpimonkey previously... There's not a lot you can do with that to make it look any different from any other team sheet...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 09:23:37
it's not just the similarity is it. *assuming the designer is being truthful*

- club approached him
- club liked the work
- club said they were trying to get funding for it
- club wang out their own and add in "starting 11", remove "Vs" and change "subs" to "substitutes"

I agree most team sheets are a player pictures and  a list of players names and there is going to be be some overlap.

still feels to me like when you copy homework and change it a bit in the hope the teacher didn't notice.

if we have the in house talent, why bother approaching a designer at all.

I'll leave it there, I've had my say now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 09:35:35
As you say if the designer is being honest, but also did he steal the design from the guy that did Lincoln’s?.

Based on what the club did with Dan (the guy that produces the artwork that was sold in the shop) it would seem at odds that they would just rip him off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 09:41:37
it's not just the similarity is it. *assuming the designer is being truthful*

- club approached him
- club liked the work
- club said they were trying to get funding for it
- club wang out their own and add in "starting 11", remove "Vs" and change "subs" to "substitutes"

I agree most team sheets are a player pictures and  a list of players names and there is going to be be some overlap.

still feels to me like when you copy homework and change it a bit in the hope the teacher didn't notice.

if we have the in house talent, why bother approaching a designer at all.

I'll leave it there, I've had my say now
That's my thought as well...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 09:46:10
It’s a very good question, but sadly I expect the answer is ‘so the in-house staff can concentrate their efforts on other work whilst the above task is done for free by someone looking for experience’.

The tweet appears to have been deleted now, but one of the media guys (who is also the photographer) asked a few weeks ago for any graphic designers etc but made no mention of pay and ignored anyone asking about it in response. So I expect this is how this has come about - not the best look either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 14:28:50
On Twitter the graphic for the Arsenal team has just popped up. It’s the same design.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 15:19:35
On Twitter the graphic for the Arsenal team has just popped up. It’s the same design.
Now they might be worth suing!

Or has our designer volunteer tweeter nicked someone else's design?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 17:10:54
I reckon he has used a generic template and tried it on. Club have realised and thought fuck that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 17:55:05
I reckon he has used a generic template and tried it on. Club have realised and thought fuck that.

Yup. Totally fabricated storm in a teacup. I’m surprised how many folk got their knickers in a twist over it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 18:28:47
Well the club have addressed it regardless of your views, so credit there

https://twitter.com/jamesmaldesign/status/1688162271032147968?t=C1n1jZVpVnDdWMUddB-9PQ&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 18:38:28
Well the club have addressed it regardless of your views, so credit there

https://twitter.com/jamesmaldesign/status/1688162271032147968?t=C1n1jZVpVnDdWMUddB-9PQ&s=19

Would have preferred it if they’d stood their ground personally, this smacks of somebody taking their chances to me. But if it placates the fan base, all’s well that ends well


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 18:41:12
Be interesting which template they use on Tuesday won’t it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 18:43:51
Arsenals


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 18:44:56
Arsenals

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 18:58:24
Would have preferred it if they’d stood their ground personally, this smacks of somebody taking their chances to me. But if it placates the fan base, all’s well that ends well

Well the guy may have got lots of support on Twitter - but by airing his grievances in public probably hasn’t done his reputation much good. Anyway it’s been sorted - credit to the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 19:04:01
Be interesting which template they use on Tuesday won’t it?

If they go red background and yellow text I hope Royal Mail kick up a fuss.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 19:10:35
Did the club ask royal mail to do a design first too?

Fucking hell, season will be over by the time that gets delivered


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, August 6, 2023, 22:44:00
Maybe take a look at your avatar Mr Pot :)

I'm not commercially using or making any financial gain from it though...my 'crests' are clearly used to represent a tongue-in-cheek view of various circumstances during different periods at STFC.

You little four dimensional tinker you  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 7, 2023, 09:04:05
Well the club have addressed it regardless of your views, so credit there

https://twitter.com/jamesmaldesign/status/1688162271032147968?t=C1n1jZVpVnDdWMUddB-9PQ&s=19

Got a bit of free publicity out of it so everyone is happy, he missed a chance to go all folded arms looking miserable compo shot though, perhaps the Adver will oblige.

I assume he is either a) pretty new set up or b) bloody naive as companies have been doing the 'just do us a sample and we will see', the  using it shtick for years, its one of the reasons why my missus jacked in design (apart from for mates) at the first opportunity, that and the fact that she found Graphic Designers bloody irritating!  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 7, 2023, 09:36:26
Quote from: horlock07
a bit of free publicity out of it so everyone is happy, he missed a chance to go all folded arms looking miserable compo shot though, perhaps the Adver will oblige.

I assume he is either a) pretty new set up or b) bloody naive as companies have been doing the 'just do us a sample and we will see', the  using it shtick for years, its one of the reasons why my missus jacked in design (apart from for mates) at the first opportunity, that and the fact that she found Graphic Designers bloody irritating!  :D

message received and understood.

Get the money up front before doing anything for STFC. Don't do anything in good faith.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 7, 2023, 09:50:44
Get the money up front before doing anything for STFC. Don't do anything in good faith.

You're not a designer are you?  :(

TBH finding that with just about everything in the last 12-18 months, spending way too much of my time trying to get clients (big/small/private/corporate) to settle sodding invoices to such an extent that with many new Clients, unless we know them, we are often seeking 50% of agreed fees to be paid upfront on commission before starting work!

The joys of the modern world.... 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, August 7, 2023, 11:37:11
Kieran Maguire has done a brief rundown of L2 finances for 21/22

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1688492064567095296?s=20

Not hugely deep or insightful and we all know the debt situation has changed over the past 12 months. This does however show that STFC had the second highest revenue and were one of only a handful of clubs to break even.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 7, 2023, 12:24:59
This does however show that STFC had the second highest revenue

Interesting how high FGR's revenue was...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F26zXB_XUAA4K1C?format=png&name=small)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 7, 2023, 12:30:27
FGR's Revenue number includes a rather generous Sponsorship deal with Ecotricity, which brings in somewhere between 2m and 3m I think (from looking at their accounts a few times).

That number is massively inflated vs. other clubs at this level, but their reasoning is the PR relationship both bring each other - using FGR as some sort of PR vehicle for Ecotricity which means it is more valuable than any normal football club to the sponsor.

This is also just Revenue, it ignores the ability of the ownership to source funding to cover losses - loans, capital investment etc.  I think clubs also report Transfer fees below the Gross Profit line, so outside of normal operations and therefore not in Revenue.  They report the profit on each deal as it happens like disposing of any fixed asset.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 7, 2023, 12:52:53
Why are Colchester top of the accumulated losses - around £35m? What have they done with all that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:27:01
Why are Colchester top of the accumulated losses - around £35m? What have they done with all that?
Why are Colchester top of the accumulated losses - around £35m? What have they done with all that?
Presumably something to do with building the new stadium?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:28:39
Colchester - Because it is still owned by this company:

https://www.aspiremediagroup.net/

And has intercompany loans amassing that amount to cover 2m a year in losses.  It's basically like Clem owning us and using Axis just for a little longer and allowing losses every year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:32:32
And more specifically, it is Jobserve, within the group, that has loaned over 30m - no repayments have been requested but it is racking up 5% interest per year.

The do not have assets on the books that looks like the stadium, so likely that us held by another subsidiary?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:47:32
Not having a financial head I never know if these structured deals are normal or just a step on the road to eventual oblivion.

When it comes to us - who/how is the CG upgrade going to be financed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:48:40
Not having a financial head I never know if these structured deals are normal or just a step on the road to eventual oblivion.

When it comes to us - who/how is the CG upgrade going to be financed?

Commercial borrowings I suspect, secured against the bricks and mortar of the real estate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:54:13
So we’ll go from owning a dilapidated CG to being in hock for a slightly shinier CG?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 7, 2023, 13:57:13
Not having a financial head I never know if these structured deals are normal or just a step on the road to eventual oblivion.

When it comes to us - who/how is the CG upgrade going to be financed?

That is two very different questions.

In general, football is a weird business that does not conform to the usual norms.  Companies who rack up such losses over a prolonged period of time will burn all their cash reserves and find financing incredibly difficult to come by to cover them as well.  They'd fall into liquidation much quicker.

Football however has an oddity - a customer base that continues to purchase even when the product is shit.  It also has a strange emotional pull for a local area above and beyond what any other business with such low turnover could hope to generate.  As such, it's really quite rare for them to go out of business.  The ridiculous cloak of secrecy that surrounds clubs also means you can get away with all sorts.

Overall - they just don't fall over very often, even when trading at losses that should be unsustainable and they generally attract the next investor because of that.

On the ground front - that's another issue for clubs - they tend to own stupidly good plots of land, which is why so many clubs have ended up with asset stripping owners down the past 20-30 years.

For us, the financing would be like taking a mortgage - someone would chuck us say 30m, and we'd spend that on the ground via the Joint Venture.  That company would then have to repay that loan over 30+ years, which it can do from one of two most likely sources - the club paying rent (which will not be enough) or from retaining revenue from the facility, which would mean things like subletting space, or retaining conferencing revenue outside of club activities etc.  If you look back, the Trust was floating the idea of someone developing the Town End but retaining all non football matchday revenue for 10 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 7, 2023, 14:06:41
That is two very different questions.

In general, football is a weird business that does not conform to the usual norms.  Companies who rack up such losses over a prolonged period of time will burn all their cash reserves and find financing incredibly difficult to come by to cover them as well.  They'd fall into liquidation much quicker.

Football however has an oddity - a customer base that continues to purchase even when the product is shit.  It also has a strange emotional pull for a local area above and beyond what any other business with such low turnover could hope to generate.  As such, it's really quite rare for them to go out of business.  The ridiculous cloak of secrecy that surrounds clubs also means you can get away with all sorts.

Overall - they just don't fall over very often, even when trading at losses that should be unsustainable and they generally attract the next investor because of that.

On the ground front - that's another issue for clubs - they tend to own stupidly good plots of land, which is why so many clubs have ended up with asset stripping owners down the past 20-30 years.

For us, the financing would be like taking a mortgage - someone would chuck us say 30m, and we'd spend that on the ground via the Joint Venture.  That company would then have to repay that loan over 30+ years, which it can do from one of two most likely sources - the club paying rent (which will not be enough) or from retaining revenue from the facility, which would mean things like subletting space, or retaining conferencing revenue outside of club activities etc.  If you look back, the Trust was floating the idea of someone developing the Town End but retaining all non football matchday revenue for 10 years.

I remember a high brow article in something financial stating that English League Football Clubs were statistically the most resilient businesses in the world. If you take circa 100 companies from any sector in the year 1900 and see how many are a going concern today, football clubs are absolutely miles ahead of anything else in terms of survivability, for the heart over head reasons that you point out above.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 7, 2023, 16:39:38
Another week, another sponsor.

Cotswold Farm Machinery - Away Shorts Sponsors

‘Kin el


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 7, 2023, 17:45:05
Quote
Cotswold Farm Machinery - Away Shorts Sponsors
CFM have been sponsors for ages though, so it's good to see them continue


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Monday, August 7, 2023, 17:46:24
Another week, another sponsor.

Cotswold Farm Machinery - Away Shorts Sponsors

‘Kin el

It’s all getting a bit Alan Partridge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, August 7, 2023, 17:53:14
CFM have been sponsors for ages though, so it's good to see them continue

I wonder what their investment equates to in £'s per annum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:05:03
An awful lot of sponsorship is being traded for services rather than ££.

All equals out though I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:18:37
I do think people read a bit much into these sponsorship deals. Not all of them equate to huge value. The boards around the stadium for example are around 1500-2k a season and half the ones there now are renewed cheaper


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:27:13
I do think people read a bit much into these sponsorship deals. Not all of them equate to huge value. The boards around the stadium for example are around 1500-2k a season and half the ones there now are renewed cheaper

For context, my brother in laws pays £1800 at Banbury United - adverising board, programme entry, a couple of season tickets and a sponsored match


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:27:18
lots of small amounts soon add up


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:28:40
I do think people read a bit much into these sponsorship deals. Not all of them equate to huge value. The boards around the stadium for example are around 1500-2k a season and half the ones there now are renewed cheaper

There are still boards up that haven’t been renewed from 3/4 years ago. I’m surprised the club aren’t on top of that and taken them down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:29:32
I wish they would bring back the advertising boards that blinded the crowd.

Them were the days


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:40:15
I wish they would bring back the advertising boards that blinded the crowd.

Them were the days
Another Jed masterclass wasn’t it? Along with the illegal Town End bar and the unpaid for seats which earned us an episode of ‘Can’t Pay Take It Away’


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:43:09
lots of small amounts soon add up
They do but not shit loads


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, August 7, 2023, 18:50:13
They do but not shit loads

A shame we can't get Amazon on board😀


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 7, 2023, 20:37:27
I wonder what their investment equates to in £'s per annum.
I can't imagine that away shorts sponsor in the fourth tier is going to many £'s, as noted I suspect its more to do with access to machinery for pitch maintenance etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, August 7, 2023, 20:47:41
A shame we can't get Amazon on board😀

Tesla, BMW


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, August 7, 2023, 21:25:03

I can't imagine that away shorts sponsor in the fourth tier is going to many £'s, as noted I suspect its more to do with access to machinery for pitch maintenance etc.


That isn't creative enough. Rumour has it, Clem exchanged the footy shorts sponsorship with CFM for a massive red and white STFC branded Combine Harvester. He's having the words 'Making Cuts' emblazoned all over it. He's then going to drive it around Swindon for a week, two weeks before the January Transfer window opens.

I suppose it makes a change from the Round Table or Lions Club sending Santa around the streets just before Christmas on a 'sleigh'  ;D



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 7, 2023, 22:04:39
lots of small amounts soon add up

Find a penny,
Pick it up,
And all day you'll have a penny


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 06:56:56
Find a penny,
Pick it up,
And all day you'll have a penny

Unless you drop it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 07:06:06
Quote from: Bob's Orange
Unless you drop it.

it's a viscous cycle


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 07:35:22
it's a viscous cycle

What's that? Riding a bike through treacle?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 07:47:25
Tickets for FGR on general sale from 10am yet it says the office isn’t open til midday.

How does that work?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 07:51:49
Tickets for FGR on general sale from 10am yet it says the office isn’t open til midday.

How does that work?

Online.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 08:13:25
So any fucker unable to purchase online is bollixed then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 08:13:50
What's that? Riding a bike through treacle?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 08:57:56
I fucking give up on trying to buy tickets. What an utter fucking cunting shambles


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:01:36
Wrexham tickets apperaed for all of 2 seconds then went to 0 available. Guessing that means they're sold out but the site doesn't state as such yet. 😕


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:02:03
I fucking give up on trying to buy tickets. What an utter fucking cunting shambles

Sorry to hear this. It really is unforgivably shit, complicated and under resourced. Aberdeen and Clem can’t blame Power anymore. It’s on them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:04:47
I fucking give up on trying to buy tickets. What an utter fucking cunting shambles

It's easy online, you can even choose a seat  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:08:32
There are no options. All I get is there are no 2 seats together. Nothing else, zip, nada. Thought the majority was standing anyway - no mention of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:11:01
Sorry to hear this. It really is unforgivably shit, complicated and under resourced. Aberdeen and Clem can’t blame Power anymore. It’s on them.

It's a Ticket Master thing. They usually drip feed tickets through. Best advice is to keep trying.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:12:10
Fuck it. I’ll get them for the home section.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:14:26
It's a Ticket Master thing. They usually drip feed tickets through. Best advice is to keep trying.
Don't think there were many available at all, seems like they got snapped up immediately. I was on as soon as they went live and missed out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:14:51
It's a Ticket Master thing. They usually drip feed tickets through. Best advice is to keep trying.

It’s not a Ticketmaster thing to have no staff available, ever, on the phone. It’s the club’s.

We never had these problems in the past.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:26:38
Don't think there were many available at all, seems like they got snapped up immediately. I was on as soon as they went live and missed out.

Ah the lure of Reynolds and the other bloke, one only has to see the way Wrexham comes up in every thread on here (its getting like 'six degrees of Wrexham') to show how obsessed fans are with them!  ;) ;) :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:30:23
Think he meant FGR tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:30:37
It's a Ticket Master thing. They usually drip feed tickets through. Best advice is to keep trying.

Straight out of the STFC playbook of lies and deflection  :D

https://www.uknewsgroup.co.uk/ticketmaster-sport-more-than-doubles-premier-league-clients/#:~:text=Brentford%2C%20Crystal%20Palace%2C%20Everton%20and,the%202023%2F2024%20season%20onwards.


I'd hazard a guess Arsenal, Spurs and Everton fans dont have these issues. Like anything, you get what you pay for.

We'll be running the poverty spec


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:34:37
Straight out of the STFC playbook of lies and deflection  :D

https://www.uknewsgroup.co.uk/ticketmaster-sport-more-than-doubles-premier-league-clients/#:~:text=Brentford%2C%20Crystal%20Palace%2C%20Everton%20and,the%202023%2F2024%20season%20onwards.


I'd hazard a guess Arsenal, Spurs and Everton fans dont have these issues. Like anything, you get what you pay for.

We'll be running the poverty spec

Bingo. I’ve no issue with people being Happy Clappers. I wish I was to some extent! But people need to open their eyes to the reality that “customer service” at this club is an abomination out of choice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:40:14
Its the way the world is going, automation and online is the future we will all have to endure, see also railway ticket offices.

How much do the club make on away sales, is it enough to warrant the staff cost of physical sales be they over the phone or in person, likewise I imagine with both FGR and Wrexham we are likley to sell the full allocation via online anyway so I am sure the club won't be lying awake at night worrying about it.

Is it ideal, far from it, is it where we are going, undoubtedly so. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 09:57:46
Bingo. I’ve no issue with people being Happy Clappers. I wish I was to some extent! But people need to open their eyes to the reality that “customer service” at this club is an abomination out of choice.

I'd much prefer to be a happy clapper, it would be a lot easier. I'd also like to live in reality though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 10:00:51
FGR and Wrexham both labelled as sold out now


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 10:02:33
Its the way the world is going, automation and online is the future we will all have to endure, see also railway ticket offices.

How much do the club make on away sales, is it enough to warrant the staff cost of physical sales be they over the phone or in person, likewise I imagine with both FGR and Wrexham we are likley to sell the full allocation via online anyway so I am sure the club won't be lying awake at night worrying about it.

Is it ideal, far from it, is it where we are going, undoubtedly so. 

It is where 'we' (Swindon Town) are going. But that doesn't make it right or change the fact that it is a choice. Is it what fans/customers want? No. Is it cost cutting? Yes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 10:15:51
I mean we used to have a shop and a ticket office separate. That is amalgamated in to one now. Just need to actually employ enough people for them to be running efficiently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 10:23:30
It is where 'we' (Swindon Town) are going. But that doesn't make it right or change the fact that it is a choice. Is it what fans/customers want? No. Is it cost cutting? Yes.

I have no idea whether its what fans want as I have not surveyed the fan base, I suspect any decision will have ben taken upon an understanding of what % of tickets are sold via online v. physical.

Again to invoke the ticket offices argument, I think its a strange idea, but then again if only a small % are sold physically its a choice any business makes, in terms of cost cutting in light of the fact that the owner is net putting money in rather than taking it out anything saved here is available to be spent somewhere else, it's not going in anyone pockets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 11:42:11
I have no idea whether its what fans want as I have not surveyed the fan base, I suspect any decision will have ben taken upon an understanding of what % of tickets are sold via online v. physical.

Again to invoke the ticket offices argument, I think its a strange idea, but then again if only a small % are sold physically its a choice any business makes, in terms of cost cutting in light of the fact that the owner is net putting money in rather than taking it out anything saved here is available to be spent somewhere else, it's not going in anyone pockets.

I believe the ticket office is actually the shop these days - the phone just rings at the tills when people call for tickets.  So if they are not open for tickets, it likely means they are not open in the shop or down to a single person or something.  It was a bit of a farce the last two times I went in there on trips back - as I've mentioned before, like it was structured to feel like a Bring and Buy Sale.

Anyway, people should try it over here, they would clearly love it.  The Mercedez Benz Stadium is ticketless (all on mobile phones) with those train station style turnstiles - hundreds of them that surround the actual stadium.  Tickets vis Ticketmaster only (although I think an office opens up on the day of the game for queries) and the stadium itself is cashless.  Makes it slick as hell, but I do wonder how the STFC crowd would absorb such modernity.  It's actually quite odd because most things are behind the UK technology wise, especially outside the big Cities.  They've only just started using contactless cards.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 13:05:56
It’s not a Ticketmaster thing to have no staff available, ever, on the phone. It’s the club’s.

We never had these problems in the past.

I am going to go happy clapper now. I love when people go on rants about things like this, the club shop was open at 10am as advertised on their website and all over twitter for the last 6 weeks https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/opening-hours/

If people are finding old links or whatever that is their fault not the clubs

I was in the shop at 11.05 today and there were 4 members of staff on. They are probably too busy dealing with absolute bellends still asking about Colchester tickets when they bought direct from Colchester

The club can improve in so many areas and even the shop myself i complained recently but hitting them with a stick because someone got the wrong hours is their issue not the clubs surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 13:20:50
I was in there this morning about midday. There were 2 fella in there. Spoke to one very helpful fella about my concern - new ST holder but no loyalty points showing on my account which prevented me getting FGR tickets. He looked it up, showed me the account saying 260 loyalty points. Got home checked my account - still no loyalty points showing. Dont understand it.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 13:47:36
so you've checked your reference number is showing on your online account matches the one on your season ticket?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 13:48:11
Its probably one of those duplicate accounts scenarios. Someone at the club should be able to merge them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 14:08:01
I am going to go happy clapper now. I love when people go on rants about things like this, the club shop was open at 10am as advertised on their website and all over twitter for the last 6 weeks https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/opening-hours/

If people are finding old links or whatever that is their fault not the clubs

I was in the shop at 11.05 today and there were 4 members of staff on. They are probably too busy dealing with absolute bellends still asking about Colchester tickets when they bought direct from Colchester

The club can improve in so many areas and even the shop myself i complained recently but hitting them with a stick because someone got the wrong hours is their issue not the clubs surely?

I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Have I 'gone on a rant' about this?

I'm saying the club's customer service on ticketing is non existent post Danny Lee and that is nothing to do with Ticketmaster.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 14:26:45
I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Have I 'gone on a rant' about this?

I'm saying the club's customer service on ticketing is non existent post Danny Lee and that is nothing to do with Ticketmaster.

You said ... Sorry to hear this. It really is unforgivably shit, complicated and under resourced. Aberdeen and Clem can’t blame Power anymore. It’s on them.

It's not complicated, the shop was open 2 hours before the poster thought it was and there are more staff there now than Power had

The club have said for years that it's a ticketmaster issue online and they can only deal with the complaints when it is happening. Unfortunatly they are not going to employ more members of staff for issues that happen maybe 4 or 5 times a season for the bigger games it just doesn't make sense

When it's quiet etc i get it and the communication around the club on the whole has been really really shit but just found it odd to have a go when they have 4 members of staff in there today and people are getting upset over things that didn't happen


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 14:35:03
I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Have I 'gone on a rant' about this?

I'm saying the club's customer service on ticketing is non existent post Danny Lee and that is nothing to do with Ticketmaster.


I guess it depends on what you want, I called them an asked if I could pay to have my ST’s posted to me as collecting them would be a pain.
The guy I spoke to asked me where I lived and after I told him said they’d post the to me FOC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 14:39:03
You said ... Sorry to hear this. It really is unforgivably shit, complicated and under resourced. Aberdeen and Clem can’t blame Power anymore. It’s on them.

It's not complicated, the shop was open 2 hours before the poster thought it was and there are more staff there now than Power had

The club have said for years that it's a ticketmaster issue online and they can only deal with the complaints when it is happening. Unfortunatly they are not going to employ more members of staff for issues that happen maybe 4 or 5 times a season for the bigger games it just doesn't make sense

When it's quiet etc i get it and the communication around the club on the whole has been really really shit but just found it odd to have a go when they have 4 members of staff in there today and people are getting upset over things that didn't happen

I'm not talking about the shop or the shop hours!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 14:51:02
Then i am confused as i thought you were replying to a post about someone not getting any tickets from the shop


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:00:33
Then i am confused as i thought you were replying to a post about someone not getting any tickets from the shop

I'm talking about the wilful lack of resourcing in the ticketing department and the ability of some fans to turn a blind eye and blame 'Ticketmaster' instead.

This is our biggest revenue generator. It should be resourced accordingly.

We don't even have a Head of Ticketing anymore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:02:05
I thought you were on about tickets by phone too Mooney.

That most definitely is done by the shop now.

It's pretty rubbish in that if they are busy dealing in person the phone doesn't get answered.

The Ticketmaster powered online stuff is really good once you have it set up and get your head around the way it works. The club do have the ability to cock things up from their end mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:09:25
I thought you were on about tickets by phone too Mooney.

That most definitely is done by the shop now.

It's pretty rubbish in that if they are busy dealing in person the phone doesn't get answered.

The Ticketmaster powered online stuff is really good once you have it set up and get your head around the way it works. The club do have the ability to cock things up from their end mind

The two go hand in hand. There was a time where the nice old boy with the big whiskers (who doled out tickets from the collection window for years) answered the ticket line and knew who you were by voice alone!

You can subcontract the ticketing out to Ticketmaster all you like but there need to be actual customer facing human beings at the club too and an expert in the ticket office who can operate in the back end of the system and sort issues like Audrey's out.

Danny Lee cared. Who cares now?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:19:06
It's absolute bollocks sorry, the dont have head of ticketing? They have a whole ticketing department online who answer these questions and post more updates than ever

As for who cares? Really

Caroline Lane
Rachel Burt
James Watts
Kieran in the ticket office
Paul in the kiosks
Bailey
Matt Waters

Just because they are not on twitter answering questions doesn't  mean they don't give a fuck



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:20:40
The two go hand in hand. There was a time where the nice old boy with the big whiskers (who doled out tickets from the collection window for years) answered the ticket line and knew who you were by voice alone!

You can subcontract the ticketing out to Ticketmaster all you like but there need to be actual customer facing human beings at the club too and an expert in the ticket office who can operate in the back end of the system and sort issues like Audrey's out.

Danny Lee cared. Who cares now?



Pretty sure that's a lost cause.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:21:39
Leave Audrey alone


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:21:51
Not disagreeing it's gone downhill if you aren't set up to use online.

I don't expect the club to have dedicated people manning the line all the time, but I do for peak periods.

Pretty sure there is someone in the shop they could have dealt with Audrey's issue if they'd understood it.

You are right we are without an obvious contact like Danny Lee, though I've not tried emailing them over issues like this so I can't say if it's broken.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:26:55
I’ve spoken to the ticket office a few times via phone (was on hold for under 5 minutes) and via email over the last few weeks and have found them to be excellent. The other day I was expecting to hear back from them later in the day  and actually had an email half an hour before they opened.

All issues sorted by a human and I had the ticket through the post less than 24 hours later.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:29:00
It's absolute bollocks sorry, the dont have head of ticketing? They have a whole ticketing department online who answer these questions and post more updates than ever

As for who cares? Really

Caroline Lane
Rachel Burt
James Watts
Kieran in the ticket office
Paul in the kiosks
Bailey
Matt Waters

Just because they are not on twitter answering questions doesn't  mean they don't give a fuck



Who is Head of Ticketing? Having a Twitter account doesn't mean you have a 'whole department.'

I'm not asking for a random list of people at the club who care. Evidently there are many.

You clearly think it is hunky dory. I think the fact that you can't, for example, buy a season ticket with a credit card online is an amateur hour shit show. I see and hear ticketing gripes from Town fans continually. We spent an entire season practically unable to enter the ground unless you got there an hour before kick off. Under Clem it has, in my opinion, been an unforgivable omnishambles, so let's agree to disagree and move on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:29:05
I’ve tried everything to no avail. I have an account. Mrs Audrey has an account. Neither have been given loyalty points even though we both have STs. At least not when we log in on our tablets. Why there is a difference between what they showed us in the ticket office and what we see at home I don’t know.

I’ve tried deleting my account and starting from scratch but I can’t find any way to delete it. It’s annoying when we could, and should, have been able to get FGR tickets last week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:29:27
Good to hear suggs


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:32:42
I’ve tried everything to no avail. I have an account. Mrs Audrey has an account. Neither have been given loyalty points even though we both have STs. At least not when we log in on our tablets. Why there is a difference between what they showed us in the ticket office and what we see at home I don’t know.

I’ve tried deleting my account and starting from scratch but I can’t find any way to delete it. It’s annoying when we could, and should, have been able to get FGR tickets last week.

Have you checked your customer reference number on your season ticket matches the one on your online account?

Can't ask this many more times :) If you can answer this then we can advise further

It's probably like whoever said you have two accounts, the one you're logging into and the one the club showed you.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:46:53
Hi Aud,

Hope my post didn't come across arsey.

When I log in I get my number come up on the screen. This is the same as on my season card (mine is xxxx).

I've hopefully added a picture to this message to show. if it doesn't work let me know.

you can also see it if you go to your account details. it says on mine "hello Simon" and the number is next to my name.

if you aren't seeing the number or are seeing a different number to that on your season ticket card report back and we can suggest what to ask the shop


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:55:04
Batch. You must have the patience of a saint.

My account Ticketing 81024

On my ST my client ref is 62255

Is this the problem


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 15:56:02
Batch for Head of Ticketing


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:06:16
Batch. You must have the patience of a saint.

My account Ticketing 81024

On my ST my client ref is 62255

Is this the problem

100% . Check Mrs Auds too, probably same issue.

I don't know if you can fix this yourself. I'd send them a message like (email used to be [email protected] , assume it still is):
"
Hi,

My season ticket has client reference number 62255 on it, but when I log in to online ticketing using email <youremailaddy for ticketing> my client reference is shown as 81024. Please can you replace this with my season ticket coloent reference so that I have access to season ticket benefits/loyalty points."

Something like that, as Mrs Audrey's details similarly.

Or go in on Saturday and tell them might be easier. Make sure you have your online client ref 81024 and email, Mrs Audrey's online client ref and and email and your session tickets.

They should merge them, obviously Saturday will be busy mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:12:18
Hugs to Batch!

If you’re in Merlin Saturday I’ll buy u a pint - or 2


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:17:17
Only too happy to help.

Hope they sort it soon for you.

When it's sorted we'll add Mrs Audrey to your "network" so that you can buy tickets on her behalf at the same time you buy yours.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:22:48
This happened to my brothers account season before last and into the start of last season. Took 3 separate trips into the ticket office to get it sorted but eventually someone got them moved over


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kaufman on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:42:01
Wasn’t sure where to put this but the Swindon Adver Sports journo is job up online I’m told.
A very difficult or easy job to do depending on your outlook in this current age where the average fan seems to know more than most local journalists.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:45:21
Johnny moving on?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 16:46:08
Being the Adver sports journalist you will never be short of a story😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 17:49:23
Just been thinking.

This ownership case has gone on for over two years. Just what the fuck are the FA actually doing?

Sitting with their thumbs at their arses?

Serial killer murder trials take less time than this


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 17:51:53
Waiting for the court case to finish I think.

Didn't AB notes say power and standing want it out the way before responding to FA?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 17:52:28
Just been thinking.

This ownership case has gone on for over two years. Just what the fuck are the FA actually doing?

Sitting with their thumbs at their arses?

Serial killer murder trials take less time than this

 :sherlock:

It is very odd. Would be good to get some clear distance from Power's Reign of Terror.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 17:55:07
Waiting for the court case to finish I think.

Didn't AB notes say power and standing want it out the way before responding to FA?

Fucking ridiculous.

Anyone know when the next court case is?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 17:59:23
I'd love to know the legal bills at this point...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 19:23:28
https://careers.newsquest.co.uk/job/swindon-town-football-reporter-1705.aspx


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 19:31:55
I'd guess they might be stretching the definition of competitive salary there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 19:32:56
Perhaps now is the time for Tansmedia


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, August 8, 2023, 19:40:01
Perhaps now is the time for Tansmedia
Do it! Do it now!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 08:24:21
Waiting for the court case to finish I think.

Didn't AB notes say power and standing want it out the way before responding to FA?

I suspect that FA will sit on their hands until the courts have done the heavy lifting of determining what the business/ownership relationships were between Standing and Power, entirely understandable really, no point the FA wasting time and money investigating at the same time, when they can just act on the courts findings.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 08:39:36
What can the FA do? Power, afaik, has no involvement in UK football and Standing has stood down from his own Agency. The court case is about Standing getting his money back from Power - good luck with that.

What is the Slug doing these days? Last I heard he was looking at a club in Bulgaria.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 08:41:52
What can the FA do? Power, afaik, has no involvement in UK football and Standing has stood down from his own Agency. The court case is about Standing getting his money back from Power - good luck with that.

What is the Slug doing these days? Last I heard he was looking at a club in Bulgaria.

He's currently in deep cover as the Minister for Sport in Karachi.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 09:04:45
What is the Slug doing these days? Last I heard he was looking at a club in Bulgaria.

Busy with various projects, waiting to see what happens in court before making his comeback.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 16:10:21
What can the FA do? Power, afaik, has no involvement in UK football and Standing has stood down from his own Agency. The court case is about Standing getting his money back from Power - good luck with that.

What is the Slug doing these days? Last I heard he was looking at a club in Bulgaria.
They could always demote us a couple of divisions I suppose. You know, just for a laugh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, August 10, 2023, 12:49:00
Seems to be dragging on - Power and or Standing not wanting to face court - not aware there is a date set the for court case, so until that is finished then the FA wont do anything in case something comes up it wasn't aware off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 10, 2023, 16:48:01
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/changes-to-our-external-and-internal-catering/

Finally some big news - catering changes including pies back in the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 10, 2023, 17:02:44
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/changes-to-our-external-and-internal-catering/

Finally some big news - catering changes including pies back in the ground.

Huge. In Clem we trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 11, 2023, 07:17:27
Didn’t know where to put this but.

Ordered an away kit - for pick up rather than paying postage to send a mile down the road.
Club shop website says away kit will be available from 10/08 which is obviously todays date.

Do we think that means the stock will arrive today or do we think that means all the orders will be packed and ready to be sent / be collected today?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, August 11, 2023, 07:38:04
If it helps, mine is being delivered at 10:30… so I imagine they’re all in stock


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 11, 2023, 07:42:19
If it helps, mine is being delivered at 10:30… so I imagine they’re all in stock

Cool, I’ll be heading in that direction at some point later so will chance it.

Will keep my eyes open for an email but club ones always go straight in my junk folder for some reason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dogs on Friday, August 11, 2023, 09:30:17
Was just in there picking up Wrexham tickets and pretty sure someone in front of me was asking about away shirts and think they said they're either ready tomorrow or arriving tomorrow to be sent out next week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 19:13:23
Kingy back fronting hospitality. Always does a great job on the rare occasions I've been in there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 19:16:00
Kingy back fronting hospitality. Always does a great job on the rare occasions I've been in there.

Heads or tails make a return?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 19:17:19
Heads or tails make a return?

Wasn't in there today but can only imagine so!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, August 12, 2023, 21:02:10
Phil King was immense when doing it during the PdC era...Si Ferry was almost a dead cert as one of the regular player appearances as well. Good times, glad Kingy is back amongst it all  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, August 13, 2023, 21:09:51
Anyone notice that on the wall of the Town End was still a massive poster with Jonny Williams on touching the badge. Seriously it’s the little simple jobs like this that don’t get done at Swindon. Hope it’s gone before the Pikeys come to town in October!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Sunday, August 13, 2023, 23:40:48
Anyone notice that on the wall of the Town End was still a massive poster with Jonny Williams on touching the badge. Seriously it’s the little simple jobs like this that don’t get done at Swindon. Hope it’s gone before the Pikeys come to town in October!

Its literally a sponsors poster that hasnt been updated?! Surely there are bigger things to worry about


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, August 14, 2023, 08:04:15
Anyone notice that on the wall of the Town End was still a massive poster with Jonny Williams on touching the badge. Seriously it’s the little simple jobs like this that don’t get done at Swindon. Hope it’s gone before the Pikeys come to town in October!

Actually be good to see it still there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 08:30:24
Surprised it hasn't fallen down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, August 14, 2023, 08:32:16
 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:11:48
Quote from: The Grim Reaper
Anyone notice that on the wall of the Town End was still a massive poster with Jonny Williams on touching the badge. Seriously it’s the little simple jobs like this that don’t get done at Swindon. Hope it’s gone before the Pikeys come to town in October!

meh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:31:47
Might have sold it to the sponsor for a year and the sponsor doesn’t want to update it.

I’m going to give the club a free pass on this one!

I know the main scoreboard failed but I did think the Rolex looked a little unloved for the first game of the season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:33:02
Might have sold it to the sponsor for a year and the sponsor doesn’t want to update it.

I’m going to give the club a free pass on this one!

I know the main scoreboard failed but I did think the Rolex looked a little unloved for the first game of the season.

I said in the MDT that I reckon the scoreboard failed at roughly the time Crewe started to get the upper hand in the game. Also you couldn't hear a thing on the 'tannoy' in the DRS, but that's pretty much par for the course these days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 09:40:59
the scoreboard operator/software got confused from the start of the second half.

we let it run as per new rules in first up to 49.

then it stayed at 45 for 15 in the second.

then they reset/started it at 63 minutes

then it went dark

scoreboard out!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:48:21
I think it reset the team too  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:51:03
the scoreboard operator/software got confused from the start of the second half.

we let it run as per new rules in first up to 49.

then it stayed at 45 for 15 in the second.

then they reset/started it at 63 minutes

then it went dark

scoreboard out!

Slightly related but watching on iFollow the clocked stopped at 45:00….so still none the wiser of how much of the added time we had got through


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, August 14, 2023, 11:02:52
At Peterborough on Tuesday the clock stopped at 45/90 mins and then an added time clock appeared on the screen instead


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 14, 2023, 11:07:51
Slightly related but watching on iFollow the clocked stopped at 45:00….so still none the wiser of how much of the added time we had got through
The clock stopped on 45:00 but the added time carried on displaying to the right side of the 45:00, the game ended on exactly 08:00 on that clock IIRC.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 11:15:59
Edit: Shit, I thought you meant the club clock while watching on ifollow, but you  meant the DOG


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 14, 2023, 13:15:03
Don't really see the point of scoreboards (fuck me if you don't know the score you probably shouldn't be there) and clocks (unless they are going to stop and start the clock as in Rugby again see little point of an in ground one).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, August 14, 2023, 14:23:24
Which just adds further mockery to the 'added time' element. It's been done to the death but why football doesn't just use the simple method of stopping their watches/scoreboards/clocks etc when there is any form of stoppage/time wasting/sub/ball out of play/players generally being gamesmanship like dicks and it'll end the farce of needing to employ some bloke to hold a hecking board up.

Plus, the minutes added formation has been/is always open to a form of manipulation. We've all been there when there has been lots of stoppages and all subs used but the board says 3mins. Other times there has been next to no stoppages and a couple of subs but the board says 6mins; aka 'Fergie Time'.

But football won't really change in that regard. Taken them an age to introduce technology and even then the cunts have to moan about it. Funny though, because you don't really see other sports complaining EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND about the technology used.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, August 14, 2023, 14:26:44
Don't really see the point of scoreboards (fuck me if you don't know the score you probably shouldn't be there) and clocks (unless they are going to stop and start the clock as in Rugby again see little point of an in ground one).
Genuinely needed it for the play-off semi against Sheffield United.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 14, 2023, 14:30:28
Which just adds further mockery to the 'added time' element. It's been done to the death but why football doesn't just use the simple method of stopping their watches/scoreboards/clocks etc when there is any form of stoppage/time wasting/sub/ball out of play/players generally being gamesmanship like dicks and it'll end the farce of needing to employ some bloke to hold a hecking board up.

Plus, the minutes added formation has been/is always open to a form of manipulation. We've all been there when there has been lots of stoppages and all subs used but the board says 3mins. Other times there has been next to no stoppages and a couple of subs but the board says 6mins; aka 'Fergie Time'.

But football won't really change in that regard. Taken them an age to introduce technology and even then the cunts have to moan about it. Funny though, because you don't really see other sports complaining EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND about the technology used.

Historically, football always resisted such moves (like external timekeeping) because it was clinging to the notion that the game should be almost identical, no mater the level.  So kids playing on a Saturday morning on the park should experience the same game as professionals in the top division, in terms of rules.

That's utterly fucked since the inception and use of VAR anyway, so why bother clinging to it?  I agree, we should just outsource the time management at the levels that can cope with that now.  Clearly at Sunday league level you may struggle to get the extra officials, but it's a mockery in this day and age that we can't just have a clear and concise time management system for the professional leagues.  I also have no issue with the amount they are adding on - players are a bit like kids, they need very clear rules to obey to change behaviours.  This yellow card for running at the ref is another good one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 14:37:55
Historically, football always resisted such moves (like external timekeeping) because it was clinging to the notion that the game should be almost identical, no mater the level.  So kids playing on a Saturday morning on the park should experience the same game as professionals in the top division, in terms of rules.

That's utterly fucked since the inception and use of VAR anyway, so why bother clinging to it?  I agree, we should just outsource the time management at the levels that can cope with that now.  Clearly at Sunday league level you may struggle to get the extra officials, but it's a mockery in this day and age that we can't just have a clear and concise time management system for the professional leagues.  I also have no issue with the amount they are adding on - players are a bit like kids, they need very clear rules to obey to change behaviours.  This yellow card for running at the ref is another good one.

The enforcement of the rules is one of the reasons I'm excited about the new season. Too often the shithousers win out at our level. It stirred the soul to see the ref booking the two Crewe dissenters early on, and I have no issue with the GKs getting yellows either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 14, 2023, 14:56:37
I was listening to the Brighton - Luton match on Saturday afternoon whilst I was on my bike, there was much debate about this, I may of misheard but they also suggested that if a player has to go off for treatment they have to be off for a set period of time (might have been 30 secs?) after the game restarts before the fourth official lets them back on.

Frankly managers moaning about this can feck right off, stop cheating and there will be much less injury time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, August 14, 2023, 14:59:39
Let's follow Rugby Union and let play continue whilst the trainer comes on the pitch. Obviously if it's then deemed a really serious injury play gets stopped.

It's like all the bollocks at corners which has crept in where players have to have the ball right on the edge of the quadrant because they feel it gives them an advantage in getting the ball into the 18 yard box.

Talking about yards isn't about time the football pitch was realigned and cahanged to meters....now there's one for the future!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 14, 2023, 15:06:39
I was listening to the Brighton - Luton match on Saturday afternoon whilst I was on my bike, there was much debate about this, I may of misheard but they also suggested that if a player has to go off for treatment they have to be off for a set period of time (might have been 30 secs?) after the game restarts before the fourth official lets them back on.

Frankly managers moaning about this can feck right off, stop cheating and there will be much less injury time.

I did note a bunch of fans, ours, not understanding this rule change on Saturday.  There was much gnashing of teeth heard on commentary when one of our players had to stay off the pitch for the 30 seconds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, August 14, 2023, 15:08:59
Not sure if a lot of the crowd were aware of the new 30 second rule on Saturday judging by the baying going on when Wakeling left the pitch having received treatment.

Still, only one pitch entry by the physio on Saturday and good to see that the Crewe players managed to get through unscathed this time.

Those who would like a stop clock timing system to be introduced, would that be with a view to ensuring 90 mins of ball in play or would there have to be a compromise at say 60 minutes?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 14, 2023, 15:12:30
Rugby doesn't stop the clock when the ball goes out of play, the Referee calls out to stop the clock and restart.  The same could apply.  A ref is the arbiter of whether time needs to stop (subs being obvious, but also if he feels a set piece has taken too long).  They call for a restart, you run the risk of being yellow carded if you do not immediately restart (refs would ensure we are set to go before asking for time back on).


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 15:15:13
Not sure if a lot of the crowd were aware of the new 30 second rule on Saturday judging by the baying going on when Wakeling left the pitch having received treatment.

Still, only one pitch entry by the physio on Saturday and good to see that the Crewe players managed to get through unscathed this time.

Those who would like a stop clock timing system to be introduced, would that be with a view to ensuring 90 mins of ball in play or would there have to be a compromise at say 60 minutes?

I noticed this when Wakeling was not being let on the pitch. A lot of people around me were shouting at the referee/lino and weren't aware of the new rule when I smugly informed everyone they had to wait 30 seconds before being waved on.

I didn't feel so smug when I found out i'd been calling Mceachran Kinsella for most of the game, like a wedge of stilton.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, August 14, 2023, 15:31:44
I noticed this when Wakeling was not being let on the pitch. A lot of people around me were shouting at the referee/lino and weren't aware of the new rule when I smugly informed everyone they had to wait 30 seconds before being waved on.

I didn't feel so smug when I found out i'd been calling Mceachran Kinsella for most of the game, like a wedge of stilton.

I have visions of you stood there, all smug with everyone bowing to your higher knowledge...only for you to go '...oh yeah and that Kinsella lad has settled right in'. Smugness obliterated as some little oik goes '...that's not Kinsella you daft cunt, it's McEach tsk.'  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:02:53
But football won't really change in that regard. Taken them an age to introduce technology and even then the cunts have to moan about it. Funny though, because you don't really see other sports complaining EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND about the technology used.

Hardly surprised people moan, when Bronze gets a booking and gives away a pen, after being pushed and moving her arm away from the ball.  All of which, btw, the ref didn't think was a pen or a booking at the time.

Then we see VAR not overturning the dodgy penalty Japan got.

And sometimes wait minutes for a decision, and once it's given it's not always right. 

I'm very glad we don't suffer that shite in L2.  Football is not better with VAR at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:11:18
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/swindon-town-fc-launch-new-lottery-for-the-20232024-season/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:12:42
I have visions of you stood there, all smug with everyone bowing to your higher knowledge...only for you to go '...oh yeah and that Kinsella lad has settled right in'. Smugness obliterated as some little oik goes '...that's not Kinsella you daft cunt, it's McEach tsk.'  :soapy tit wank:

Ha - To be fair it was maybe a couple of times where I'd clapped and said something like 'good tracking back Kinsella' or other such football cliched nonsense. The people around me were either too polite to correct me or didn't hear :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:14:53
Hardly surprised people moan, when Bronze gets a booking and gives away a pen, after being pushed and moving her arm away from the ball.  All of which, btw, the ref didn't think was a pen or a booking at the time.

Then we see VAR not overturning the dodgy penalty Japan got.

And sometimes wait minutes for a decision, and once it's given it's not always right. 

I'm very glad we don't suffer that shite in L2.  Football is not better with VAR at all.


I keep on saying this though Donkey...it's not the actual VAR tech [or other tech] that is the problem though - it's the fucking idiots using and applying it. They're applying it almost literally in a way that is akin to a Neurodivergent person with extreme hyperfocus. Eg..handball - any way the ball touches the hand regardless of any context.

Where as we actually see conext being used quite well. For example in the cricket. And rugger copes fairly well and that a faster sport than footy. I just don't know why footy has to feel so precious about using technology [and applying it properly]. It's like they aren't applying it properly so folk will go ''ahh fuck this, it's a pile of wank...footy don't need tech''  and it doesn't take many tanked up blokes and a 'wrong' decision to make them decide...I mean, they are going to find adapting to many things difficult anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:24:38
Someone smarter than me - what are the odds of guessing a number between 1-45 correctly three times?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:25:44
85,140/1


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, August 14, 2023, 16:27:49
Fair enough. It’s not for me, but don’t begrudge the club for trying. Can’t imagine it will transform the budget but it’s a nice little extra


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:05:45


I'm very glad we don't suffer that shite in L2.  Football is not better with VAR at all.

VAR just proves that the people in charge don't actually know what they're watching. Its embarrassing compared to other sports. Whereas sports like Rugby and Cricket just shows a lot of on field mistakes were not seeing it and get to the right conclusion with the video ref.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:18:32
To be fair the club have been honest about needing to generate new revenue streams.

I’m not a fan of this one and think it gives off the wrong image but I’m probably not the target audience of this one and if it helps the club bring in some cash then every little helps.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:31:03
VAR just proves that the people in charge don't actually know what they're watching. Its embarrassing compared to other sports. Whereas sports like Rugby and Cricket just shows a lot of on field mistakes were not seeing it and get to the right conclusion with the video ref.

I don't think I even know what the var/offside rule is these days tbh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:33:26
To be fair the club have been honest about needing to generate new revenue streams.

I’m not a fan of this one and think it gives off the wrong image but I’m probably not the target audience of this one and if it helps the club bring in some cash then every little helps.

Is it any worse than the OSC 50/50 draw?
(Hopefully that's not affected.)

Can't see it making much money anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:35:20
I notice it’s to pay for the playing budgets of both the men’s and women’s teams. This will probably come across as sexist but I do hope we aren’t diverting funds that could be spent on the men’s team to help develop the women’s team. The reality is most are only interested in the 1st team and you can’t just force people to support the women’s team because it now operates under the same banner, the reality is most aren’t interested currently. For now I’d rather both have entirely separate funding streams so that there isn’t any perception that we are using funds that could be used to improve the men’s team to prop up the women’s team or vice versa.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:39:02
Is it any worse than the OSC 50/50 draw?
(Hopefully that's not affected.)

Can't see it making much money anyway

Yeah I think taking my opinion of it aside, it’s a fine initiative for those who want to get involved. Club needs income streams and if Clem wants us to run on our own footing then we need income streams from as many sources as possible.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:43:33
Quote from: theakston2k
I notice it’s to pay for the playing budgets of both the men’s and women’s teams. This will probably come across as sexist but I do hope we aren’t diverting funds that could be spent on the men’s team to help develop the women’s team. The reality is most are only interested in the 1st team and you can’t just force people to support the women’s team because it now operates under the same banner, the reality is most aren’t interested currently. For now I’d rather both have entirely separate funding streams so that there isn’t any perception that we are using funds that could be used to improve the men’s team to prop up the women’s team or vice versa.
haha. I nearly wrote a very similar post but deleted it.

nothing against the women's team but I don't follow it or much care


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:47:09
haha. I nearly wrote a very similar post but deleted it.

nothing against the women's team but I don't follow it or much care

One of Clem's major mis-steps in my opinion. Baffling to take on the Women's team when our own house is in disarray.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 14, 2023, 17:54:14
To make a case for the women's team that's rooted in financial advantage rather than the overall cause of social progress - I can't imagine the budget is even 10% of the men's team and probably far less than that. If it can become revenue generating and develop new generations of (mostly young female) fans who become fans of the men's club as well then there's potential there for all areas of the club to benefit.

And you know, there's probably not a huge crossover of fan base at the moment but give it a bit of success and that might well change. Certainly easier on our budget to get success on the women's side than it will be on the men's.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:00:32
I don't think it's a bad idea. I think it's a bad idea now.

I can't find the conversation. But as I understand it the women's team isn't self sufficient either. if they are 'no cost' then fair enough.

undoubtedly there is a market for women's football that could ultimately make it profitable! The women's premier League average was 7000+ though the attendances were very varied


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:05:16
I don't think it's a bad idea. I think it's a bad idea now.

I can't find the conversation. But as I understand it the women's team isn't self sufficient either. if they are 'no cost' then fair enough.

undoubtedly there is a market for women's football that could ultimately make it profitable! The women's premier League average was 7000+ though the attendances were very varied

This. If £1 of my season ticket money is being diverted, I'd be a bit miffed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:20:32
What was the fan funding vehicle that raised some money to get that fella in from Sunderland in for a month?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:23:36
What was the fan funding vehicle that raised some money to get that fella in from Sunderland in for a month?

Red Army Fund wasnt it?

People donated a certain amount of money for every point we earned, or something like that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:23:53
What was the fan funding vehicle that raised some money to get that fella in from Sunderland in for a month?

Red Army Fund?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:28:03
That's the badger:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/2329816/proctor-to-end-swindon-stay


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:41:22
While every penny counts, this one seemed a bit odd and hardly likely (to my mind) to generate much beyond what it costs to manage.  Then a quick google educated me that plenty of clubs do this, so I clearly know jack shit.

I presume the club have registered for a license?  (I mean, it sounds daft to think of the need to ask, but, well, Swindon...)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:46:17
One of Clem's major mis-steps in my opinion. Baffling to take on the Women's team when our own house is in disarray.

My understanding is that one of our sponsors has been a major driving force in why the women’s team has been given a push.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:47:01
One of Clem's major mis-steps in my opinion. Baffling to take on the Women's team when our own house is in disarray.

Not really - 7million watched the womens QF match. If the women’s team start going through the leagues I could see a future where they are sharing the County Ground with the Mens team. It makes good business sense and it’s good for the community and young girls to have role models in sport. What’s wrong with that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 14, 2023, 18:54:24
Not really - 7million watched the womens QF match. If the women’s team start going through the leagues I could see a future where they are sharing the County Ground with the Mens team. It makes good business sense and it’s good for the community and young girls to have role models in sport. What’s wrong with that?

Nothing. As I said, I'm not against it but we hardly had the men's team's house in order did we?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 19:09:12

That's the badger:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/2329816/proctor-to-end-swindon-stay
think it also paid for Andy Lonergan from Preston in a not too convincing GK loan


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 19:11:23
My understanding is that one of our sponsors has been a major driving force in why the women’s team has been given a push.


Well, I guess if it's based on the finances of losing them v funded of supporting the women's team then there different


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2023, 19:13:29
Not really - 7million watched the womens QF match. If the women’s team start going through the leagues I could see a future where they are sharing the County Ground with the Mens team. It makes good business sense and it’s good for the community and young girls to have role models in sport. What’s wrong with that?

I think that would be fantastic.

Just as long as it's not adding to the 500k pa loss.

If the women's team bring in sponsorship  and revenue that exceeds their outgoings I think it's fair for them to use that to reinvest in their team and facilities too - not subsidise the men. Works both ways


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 00:02:00
Is Mike Dixon of Dixon's Pianos not investing a chunk of his worth into the STFC Ladies side?

I could be totally wrong though


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 06:31:04
I had these musings a while back - when the previous women’s manager was sacked with the team doing quite well (from what I could tell)

I imagine it would be significantly cheaper and easy to build up the status of the women’s team and get them through the leagues than it would the men’s team.

It would be interesting to know how much money the top women’s team bring in compared to a middling league two club and how the operating expenses differ…


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 08:04:20
Fuck me if we are concerned about teams under the STFC running at a loss I can think of one that we could get shot of and save a fortune then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 08:31:18
I had these musings a while back - when the previous women’s manager was sacked with the team doing quite well (from what I could tell)

I imagine it would be significantly cheaper and easy to build up the status of the women’s team and get them through the leagues than it would the men’s team.

It would be interesting to know how much money the top women’s team bring in compared to a middling league two club and how the operating expenses differ…


It may be, but to get to the top level it costs millions - hence the rise of the likes of the top 6 dominating the WSL as well as the Prem - and the fall of the likes of Reading.


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:00:33
Quote
Fuck me if we are concerned about teams under the STFC running at a loss I can think of one that we could get shot of and save a fortune then.
you've missed the point. at least my point.

which was when you beg fans for every penny, cut back to the quick and try to get to breakeven it doesn't sit right to bring in more debt until we've sorted our own shit out.

same with the Karachi stuff, which was later deemed as 'minimal outlay'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:07:57
Women’s football is, by and large, boring shite - as borne out by the present WC. It’s a dreadful spectacle, devoid of excitement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:12:58
Women’s football is, by and large, boring shite - as borne out by the present WC. It’s a dreadful spectacle, devoid of excitement.
For you of course. It is the same as absolutely anything in life and down to personal choice


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:14:33
you've missed the point. at least my point.

which was when you beg fans for every penny, cut back to the quick and try to get to breakeven it doesn't sit right to bring in more debt until we've sorted our own shit out.

same with the Karachi stuff, which was later deemed as 'minimal outlay'.
The problem with this is you don't see the womens team as our debt. The club have taken it on and told us as much


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:18:38
For you of course. It is the same as absolutely anything in life and down to personal choice
Convince me otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:23:31
Feels like one for the AB. What are the running costs of the Women's team and how is that currently funded?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:31:41
Women’s football is, by and large, boring shite - as borne out by the present WC. It’s a dreadful spectacle, devoid of excitement.

In your opinion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:36:31
Again, convince me otherwise. I’ve watched a fair few of the WC games - including the semi final on now - without exception every game has been poor.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:38:43
Women’s football is, by and large, boring shite - as borne out by the present WC. It’s a dreadful spectacle, devoid of excitement.

I love it, plenty of drama and excitement. The standard of women's football has improved massively over the last few years and I'm sure it will continue to do so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:39:46

I keep on saying this though Donkey...it's not the actual VAR tech [or other tech] that is the problem though - it's the fucking idiots using and applying it. They're applying it almost literally in a way that is akin to a Neurodivergent person with extreme hyperfocus. Eg..handball - any way the ball touches the hand regardless of any context.

Where as we actually see conext being used quite well. For example in the cricket. And rugger copes fairly well and that a faster sport than footy. I just don't know why footy has to feel so precious about using technology [and applying it properly]. It's like they aren't applying it properly so folk will go ''ahh fuck this, it's a pile of wank...footy don't need tech''  and it doesn't take many tanked up blokes and a 'wrong' decision to make them decide...I mean, they are going to find adapting to many things difficult anyway

I take your point, and as a keen cricket and NFL fan I've seen it used well.

You're right about the people using it and how badly they apply it. The whole hand ball thing is nonsense.  Refs need to be able to come over, see the ball hit the hand, decide it wasn't deliberate and not award.  But they don't, ball hits hand, it's a penalty. They've even changed the rule to accommodate VAR... tail wagging the dog.

Not being able to celebrate a goal, whilst waiting for people with all the tech to get it wrong anyway (sometimes), is unacceptable.  VAR should be infallible.

Finally, I'd give VAR 15 seconds to make a decision.  If they can't, the ref hasn't made a clear and obvious error, so the refs decision stays.  We were told VAR was for clear and obvious errors... that's not how it's being used.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:44:53
I love it, plenty of drama and excitement. The standard of women's football has improved massively over the last few years and I'm sure it will continue to do so.

I've only seen a handful of games, but it's generally been pretty enjoyable. I think your last point is a good one, the standard is so much better than it used to be, clearly professionalism has aided that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:49:13
Again, convince me otherwise. I’ve watched a fair few of the WC games - including the semi final on now - without exception every game has been poor.

All of this is still your opinion. It's not anyone's job to convince you, clearly you don't like it. Plenty do, millions of people watch it so clearly a significant number of people enjoy it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:52:33
If football was all about maximising the level of quality and excitement, none of us would still be watching Swindon obsessively. It's about emotional attachment, and some people feel more towards the women's game (particularly at an international level, club level is definitely far lower) than you do, clearly. Which is fine! I think the people who are pushing women's football are more interested in converting young girls that don't currently watch football at all than they are in converting middle aged men like you or I who already consume a ton of men's football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:56:17
The biggest turn off for me is that we have reached a position where you actually can't criticise any Women's football, which is ridiculous.

I saw a pundit saying that the lady with the purple hair "did everything right" with her penalty when she missed for the Yanks. Evidently she didn't.

Similarly, someone has just scored a 'screamer' for Spain, so I thought I'd have a look. The BBC are all 'Goal of the Tournament' 'What a strike' 'she absolutely smacks it!' yet when I watch it with my eyes it looks like a half lofted miss-hit cross that floats over the goalkeeper, who if they were playing in the men's Premier League would get absolutely hammered. It is abject goalkeeping!

I find that aspect very odd. The entire sport seems to be beyond criticism, which I don't think is hugely healthy.

Women's cricket I really enjoy. Women's football I really struggle with, particularly the punditry. But each to their own. It's great that so many people are enjoying it, it just isn't for me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 09:58:08
I love it, plenty of drama and excitement. The standard of women's football has improved massively over the last few years and I'm sure it will continue to do so.

Thing is its actually comparing apples and pears, they are basically two different things/sports.

I watch a lot of cycling (probably more than football these days TBH) and women's cycling is a totally different thing and as exciting to watch in different ways as its less cynical, less contrived, les formulaic etc, and the difference between men's and women's football is the same.

I've only seen a handful of games, but it's generally been pretty enjoyable.

Which is why one watches any sport, albeit looking at the angst, abuse and misery on social media many watchers of men's football seem to have rather lost that focus. Look at STFC fans on Twitter, in the main its misery 'cos player x is shit or that the team didn't win, if it makes you that miserable go and support Man City or something, it's supposed to be fun!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 10:00:05
Women's cricket I really enjoy. Women's football I really struggle with, particularly the punditry. But each to their own. It's great that so many people are enjoying it, it just isn't for me.

I actually agree with that - I watch a lot more women's cricket. But isn't that just the general standard of punditry in football? Like, how many good pundits are there of the men's game - probably a handful at most? The standard of punditry on live games is bloody awful outside of Neville/Carragher. After the fact punditry on Podcasts/written stuff tends to be a lot better - and a lot more willing to criticise poor play.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 10:02:14
A mate of mine who works in sport actually had a great idea for a revised Nations League format where each 'fixture' between countries involves 3 games over a weekend: a men's, a women's and a men's U21s. There would then be an overall winner of the tie based on all three results.

I thought that was quite a clever idea and would grow interest in all 3 levels.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 10:34:23
surely standard of football argument is a bit like the argument that league 2 is more shit than the premier League?

we still bloody love it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 10:35:27
The biggest turn off for me is that we have reached a position where you actually can't criticise any Women's football, which is ridiculous.

I saw a pundit saying that the lady with the purple hair "did everything right" with her penalty when she missed for the Yanks. Evidently she wasn't.

Similarly, someone has just scored a 'screamer' for Spain, so I thought I'd have a look. The BBC are all 'Goal of the Tournament' 'What a strike' 'she absolutely smacks it!' yet when I watch it with my eyes it looks like a half lofted miss-hit cross that floats over the goalkeeper, who if they were playing in the men's Premier League would get absolutely hammered. It is abject goalkeeping!

I find that aspect very odd. The entire sport seems to be beyond criticism, which I don't think is hugely healthy.

Women's cricket I really enjoy. Women's football I really struggle with, particularly the punditry. But each to their own. It's great that so many people are enjoying it, it just isn't for me.



There is a lot of merit to this post.

The biggest issue with a lot of goals that go in, is that the keepers simply aren't big enough. Even the goal England conceded Saturday, just not tall enough to get to it and it just kind of lobs over despite the keeper being on the line or close to it.

You suggest that there should be concessions made for the women and that the goals and pitches should be smaller for women proportionate to size difference between men and women and some see it as being misogynistic.

What even less sense though, is that concessions are made for women in other sports that make absolutely zero sense.

Can anyone tell me why women can't do 12x 3 minute rounds in boxing for championship fights? Can anyone form an argument that women cannot possibly do best of 5 sets in tennis at grand slam tournaments? (despite demanding equal pay).

Ultimately the standard of the womens game is overall pretty poor even when compared to the skill level of some other womens sports. A lot of people won't like hearing that, but it is what it is.

Forget if they were playing premier league, the US Womens side got beat 5-2 to FC Dallas Under 15s a few years back. The best women in the world getting beat by a bunch of 14 year olds....and not even a top academy, am MLS academy.

The womens game is definitely improving though, but its got a long way to go before its something I'd be interested in watching outside of jumping on the England bandwagon when they're doing well and I say this as someone who enjoys top womens combat sports.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 10:42:25
A mate of mine who works in sport actually had a great idea for a revised Nations League format where each 'fixture' between countries involves 3 games over a weekend: a men's, a women's and a men's U21s. There would then be an overall winner of the tie based on all three results.

I thought that was quite a clever idea and would grow interest in all 3 levels.

That's pretty interesting actually. Would get more people interested in the womens game at least. And the Under 21s for that matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:12:09

Women’s football is, by and large, boring shite - as borne out by the present WC. It’s a dreadful spectacle, devoid of excitement.


Shocker that a white cis male pensioner has no time or interest in the promotion of women's footy.

Does your wife put your tea on the table at exactly 4.30pm [and not one minute later] as well?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:18:13
What's colour got to do with it? Racist.
Or age for that matter? Ageist

Don't bother with a thousand word reply, I won't read it anyway   :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:25:31
Shocker that a white cis male pensioner has no time or interest in the promotion of women's footy.

Does your wife put your tea on the table at exactly 4.30pm [and not one minute later] as well?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Just about sums up wonderfully the woke culture of not being allowed to criticise anything that might upset the feeble minded.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:28:14
I enjoy women's football, particularly the main tournaments, although the late times this year have made it difficult to follow live... I enjoy following along with the performances and exploits of all teams under the Town banner, and it's a good cheaper alternative and very accessible... can be a good boost for a non league club to host a higher level women's team. However I think there's a valid point about criticism - the game has come along so much in the last decade or so but it will be real acuity when they have the same scrutiny as the men's teams.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:28:50

What's colour got to do with it? Racist.
Or age for that matter? Ageist

Don't bother with a thousand word reply, I won't read it anyway   :)


Because historically it has been the older white cis male that has dominated everything and when they feel threatened by any smidge of parity they jump on the offensive.

I'm being neither ageist or racist. It's just categorically and historically pretty accurate. But on a forum populated heavily by said above categorisation, my response was always going to get some kind of rebuttal.

Anyway, I doubt the women's game, anything empowered by women or by people identifying as women will be the slightest bit bothered by someone likes Aud's neolithic opinion. I'm probably surprised because he Aud usually has slightly better reasoning and judgement. Oh well, old habits die hard I guess

====

Is 112 words manageable enough for you?  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:29:15
Just about sums up wonderfully the woke culture of not being allowed to criticise anything that might upset the feeble minded.

Exactly, woe betide those who step out of line  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:30:27

Just about sums up wonderfully the woke culture of not being allowed to criticise anything that might upset the feeble minded.


Aww bless, so pressed. Isn't it time for an afternoon nap Aud?  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:32:05
Because historically it has been the older white cis male that has dominated everything and when they feel threatened by any smidge of parity they jump on the offensive.

I'm being neither ageist or racist. It's just categorically and historically pretty accurate. But on a forum populated heavily by said above categorisation, my response was always going to get some kind of rebuttal.

Anyway, I doubt the women's game, anything empowered by women or by people identifying as women will be the slightest bit bothered by someone likes Aud's neolithic opinion. I'm probably surprised because he Aud usually has slightly better reasoning and judgement. Oh well, old habits die hard I guess

====

Is 112 words manageable enough for you?  ;)


So no different to you fitting into the lefty woke, student scruff category? Aud simply doesn't enjoy it so why try and make something out of nothing, and what's all this feeling threatened bollocks?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:33:36
Just about sums up wonderfully the woke culture of not being allowed to criticise anything that might upset the feeble minded.

The post wasn't a joke/parody?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:33:52
So no different to you fitting into the lefty woke, student scruff category? Aud doesn't enjoy it, what's all this feeling threatened bollocks?


Hahaha love it. I'm just highlighting more than anything that Aud has been back in 'blighty' about 5mins and he's already acting like a fucking NIMBY  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

#StopTheBoats


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:34:25
Oh good, it's this argument again. I was just thinking it had been almost a minute since the internet last devolved into name calling and lazy talking points.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:35:26
Yeah, shut it Bambi.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:39:12
Hahaha love it. I'm just highlighting more than anything that Aud has been back in 'blighty' about 5mins and he's already acting like a fucking NIMBY  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

#StopTheBoats
I always thought you were a bit weird with your ramblings but I never realised you’re really just a right twat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:43:16
Because historically it has been the older white cis male that has dominated everything and when they feel threatened by any smidge of parity they jump on the offensive.

I'm being neither ageist or racist. It's just categorically and historically pretty accurate. But on a forum populated heavily by said above categorisation, my response was always going to get some kind of rebuttal.

Anyway, I doubt the women's game, anything empowered by women or by people identifying as women will be the slightest bit bothered by someone likes Aud's neolithic opinion. I'm probably surprised because he Aud usually has slightly better reasoning and judgement. Oh well, old habits die hard I guess

====

Is 112 words manageable enough for you?  ;)


Bit of criticism of womens football and it turns in to "waahhhh old white men" and a bunch of woke buzzwords. I think toxic masculinity and fragility have been missed, so should probably throw those in for good measure as well.

But seriously....its not a joke?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:49:56
I actually don't mind women's football, but prefer the men's game. There's been some good goals and some comedy defending during the WC. Be watching England tomorrow.

People such as Aud are allowed an opinion, just a shame someone has to jump on it with their own odd one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:51:33
And now this thread derails into something that its not supposed it be - Ho-hum!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:51:54
And now this thread derails into something that its not supposed it be - Ho-hum!

Tis the way.

Didn't England women play at the CG a while back?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:55:52
I quite like watching the womens football, i find it interesting. Each to their own and all that.

Went to the Euro final last year and had a bloody good day out.

Anyway, just opening the popcorn


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:57:30
Just don’t mention the weightlifting!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 11:59:33

I always thought you were a bit weird with your ramblings but I never realised you’re really just a right twat.


The white man really do be pressing hard right now but I'm not getting into a personal slanging match. If that's your bag feel free to drop me a DM but I'm sure everyone would prefer to talk about New Beginnings - Fresh Starts concerning STFC in this thread


People such as Aud are allowed an opinion, just a shame someone has to jump on it with their own odd one.


People are also allowed to counter others opinions too or is that not allowed in an open forum?

======

Anyway, New Beginnings...

Is Visa Xav still in Karachi? And when is the statue being unveiled?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:01:09
You are really pissing me off. So just fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:02:09
The white man really do be pressing hard right now but I'm not getting into a personal slanging match. If that's your bag feel free to drop me a DM but I'm sure everyone would prefer to talk about New Beginnings - Fresh Starts concerning STFC in this thread

======

Is Visa Xav still in Karachi? And when is the statue being unveiled?

Yeah, what's that cisgender pig up to?  :pint:

(I literally have no idea what that even means. Just felt left out.)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:03:27
Transfer rumours people, transfer rumours........


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:04:57
Transfer rumours people, transfer rumours........

Get back on topic! This is the Fresh Start!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:05:53
Transfer rumours people, transfer rumours........
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:12:06
Shocker that a white cis male pensioner has no time or interest in the promotion of women's footy.

Does your wife put your tea on the table at exactly 4.30pm [and not one minute later] as well?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I don't think this is fair at all.

I objected to what Aud said but he's allowed to say it, even if I would like him to word it better. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't make them bigoted. His age or sex is completely irrelevant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:22:18
We should have had a WC stunners like the old days, Bambi would really spit the dummy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:23:39
We should have had a WC stunners like the old days, Bambi would really spit the dummy.

Surely it would have needed to have been World Cup Studs for this one though?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:26:34
Good point. Bring FB out of retirement


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:27:53
Thought Flashheart ran the last one?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:28:30
Sort of back to topic. Do the club show away games at the CG in any format?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:29:29
Thought Flashheart ran the last one?

I mean to be in it  :) #flammablebenmodellingdays


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:30:07
Just about sums up wonderfully the woke culture of not being allowed to criticise anything that might upset the feeble minded.

Please look up what Woke means...

Fuck me, I go out for an hour to pick the daughter up (who used to play girls football BTW) and appear to have come back to the DAily Express BTL section....


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:31:33
Sort of back to topic. Do the club show away games at the CG in any format?
Don’t think iFollow is allowed to be broadcast in public. My dodgy streams on iptv don’t seem to be working any more either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:31:51
I'm sure he meant snowflake Horlock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:32:09
Please look up what Woke means...
I really don’t give a flying one


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:33:38
Sort of back to topic. Do the club show away games at the CG in any format?

If its midweek can't you just watch it at home even without any VPN etc?



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:34:55
If its midweek can't you just watch it at home even without any VPN etc?



I could, quite like the idea of a group watch. Bit like the big screen ideas.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:40:29
Convince me otherwise.
Convince you that someone else might enjoy it? You serious?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:50:09
The white man really do be pressing hard right now but I'm not getting into a personal slanging match. If that's your bag feel free to drop me a DM but I'm sure everyone would prefer to talk about New Beginnings - Fresh Starts concerning STFC in this thread

People are also allowed to counter others opinions too or is that not allowed in an open forum?

======

Anyway, New Beginnings...

Is Visa Xav still in Karachi? And when is the statue being unveiled?
You made it personal to be honest and you always do. I responded to Aud in a fair way and as per normal you attack with an essay bringing colour etc into it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:52:09
I think it’s time to drop all this nonsense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:52:33
I think it’s time to drop all this nonsense.
Shut up you white bastard :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:52:57
If its midweek can't you just watch it at home even without any VPN etc?


I'm hoping so.

Anyone know?

When I was in Miami at the weekend, I was required to pay in $USD - and couldn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:53:01
Fair enough!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 12:56:44
I'm hoping so.

Anyone know?

When I was in Miami at the weekend, I was required to pay in $USD - and couldn't.

You can watch this one in the UK.

There's also no problem paying in dollars, it's just converted by your bank like any other overseas purchase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 13:30:42
Thanks, Broadbent.

Good news. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 13:38:06
You made it personal to be honest and you always do. I responded to Aud in a fair way and as per normal you attack with an essay bringing colour etc into it

Wasn't sure if it was an essay or an article from the guardian .


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 13:39:48
You are really pissing me off. So just fuck off.

He reads too much like parody to piss me off. I genuinely thought the first post was a piss take.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 13:41:18
Quote from: RedRag
Thanks, Broadbent.

Good news. 

some banks are shits for exchange fees. think Lloyds charge 2.99% + 50p outside eea.

get yourself a revolut or clarity card if you go to Miami regularly


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 14:31:03
Good bit of global coverage for the club....

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23721990.john-legend-praises-swindon-town-star-cover-goes-viral/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 14:33:57
Yet Yoko didn't even acknowledge it


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 14:38:35
Yet Yoko didn't even acknowledge it

Oh No!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 14:43:02
Punnage!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:39:41
I don't think this is fair at all.

I objected to what Aud said but he's allowed to say it, even if I would like him to word it better. Just because someone doesn't like something, it doesn't make them bigoted. His age or sex is completely irrelevant.

Fair enough but please be clear on the fact I never said he couldn't say it. He's entitled to his opinion...I'm supposedly entitled to mine and to be able to challenge his...as is he and anyone else here.

I personally get fed up of 'little englander' type comments that do absolutely nothing to help progress and bring about any type of change, yet are often very quick to lambast any other demographic when things are going wrong. No doubt Aud [and others] get fed up of us irritable woke types messing with their relative contentment, privilege and peace. The world has adapted and moved on, even if they don't really want to.

Yet I'm conscious of also keeping this thread on track regarding the title...


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:49:00
So how do you extrapolate that I’m a little Englander just because I don’t enjoy watching women’s football.

I also don’t like watching Formula 1, swimming, tennis and lots of other sports. If you can’t see how your presumptions are just plain offensive it says more about you than me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:51:13
So how do you extrapolate that I’m a little Englander just because I don’t enjoy watching women’s football.

I also don’t like watching Formula 1, swimming, tennis and lots of other sports. If you can’t see how your presumptions are just plain offensive it says more about you than me.

Because you didn't just say you didn't like a sport based on the sporting /entertainment content, like F1.  You used the term Woke as a derogative statement towards a collective of people, I presume.

Throw stones, expect some back (although not always by a rabid wannabe poet ;-) )


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:52:11
You need to read back what I posted originally.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:53:15
Women’s football is, by and large, boring shite - as borne out by the present WC. It’s a dreadful spectacle, devoid of excitement.
That’s what I wrote if you can’t be arsed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:56:59
I've read it, I was talking more about the stuff later, which largely followed the woke bit, which is also why I caveated that a rabid wannabe poet was involved.

He wasn't asking any questions about why he was getting any in return, probably because it's quite obvious when you post long winded pieces designed specifically to irritate people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 16:58:49
I just always assumed people posted annoying shit because they wanted to rile people up.  It confuses me when people get defensive about their posts riling people up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 17:02:33
Because you didn't just say you didn't like a sport based on the sporting /entertainment content, like F1.

That’s exactly what I said


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 08:03:46
Hollie Kiely - wife of Chris Kiely maybe
Bethany Parladorio - isn't Clem's lawyer fella called Parladorio?

Both now shareholders in Swinton Reds 20 (actually since last September)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 08:45:46
Sounds normal


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 08:48:57
Hollie Kiely - wife of Chris Kiely maybe
Bethany Parladorio - isn't Clem's lawyer fella called Parladorio?

Both now shareholders in Swinton Reds 20 (actually since last September)

Edward Parladorio is... Michael Standing's lawyer.

https://www.hanoverbondlaw.com/team-details/?id=46

https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5ec564d82c94e079ae125566


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 08:53:50
He's Clem's as well, he's on the Advisory Board fairly often.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:04:12
(https://media.tenor.com/E1XtbeUJA9YAAAAC/arrested-development-george-bluth.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:11:22
Last September ties in with that incident when Chris Kiely 'accidentally' appeared as a new Director in the Programme as wel didn't it?

There was a number of changes to the memorandum's last year which looked to aid share exchanges that I'd mentioned previously and I was convinced it would lead to something.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:14:18
I cannot remember and cannot be bothered to read back, why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a bad thing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:16:17
I cannot remember and cannot be bothered to read back, why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a bad thing?

Not sure it would really, apart from the fact that the club keep denying it. Although Sandro was meant to be his man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:16:24
I cannot remember and cannot be bothered to read back, why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a bad thing?

Can we flip that and ask 'why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a secret?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:17:04
I cannot remember and cannot be bothered to read back, why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a bad thing?
I don't think it necessarily can be determined a bad thing in isolation without knowing more. But because the involvement has often been kept hush hush it's been reminiscent of previous eras.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:23:08
I cannot remember and cannot be bothered to read back, why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a bad thing?

I'm not sure it would, but I guess the secret squirrel way of going about it goes against the open and honest 'mantra'. As far as I am aware, the data model that we had signed up to was/is using Chris Kiely's business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:40:59
Im sure it is all accidental.

Be a question for the AB where you wont get a definitive answer


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:46:06
May as well ask about it at the fans forum tonight

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/fans-forum-rearranged-for-august/


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:46:12
Paladorio holding shares seems a major red flag to me. A lawyer holding shares often feels like they're holding shares in 'good faith' on behalf of a client who is deemed by the rules as not fit and proper.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:47:45
Paladorio holding shares seems a major red flag to me. A lawyer holding shares often feels like they're holding shares in 'good faith' on behalf of a client who is deemed by the rules as not fit and proper.


:nod:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:48:08
I swear that people hold this shit back for after a good win, just to ensure that the Swindon rollercoaster continues!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 09:59:48
Paladorio holding shares seems a major red flag to me. A lawyer holding shares often feels like they're holding shares in 'good faith' on behalf of a client who is deemed by the rules as not fit and proper.

Its not the lawyer though, its someone who happens to share a surname, not saying its right or wrong as lets be honest nothing here beyond the shareholding existing is anything more than speculation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:07:18
Its not the lawyer though, its someone who happens to share a surname, not saying its right or wrong as lets be honest nothing here beyond the shareholding existing is anything more than speculation.

It's not exactly 'Smith' though is it...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:08:54
It's not exactly 'Smith' though is it...?

Agreed, but literally everything beyond that is pure (negative) speculation at this stage.

As for the date of brining it up, the Confirmation Statement (so hardly secret) was lodged at CH yesterday and thus the notification email rolled up this morning.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:10:43
Agreed, but literally everything beyond that is pure (negative) speculation at this stage.

As for the date of brining it up, the Confirmation Statement (so hardly secret) was lodged at CH yesterday and thus the notification email rolled up this morning.
A Bethany Parladorio and an Edward Parladorio share an identical companies house address to add to the association. The Edward they share the address with is the same officer for Hanover Law which is Clem's lawyer. I know this is still just speculation but evidential links are forming.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:11:19
Agreed, but literally everything beyond that is pure (negative) speculation at this stage.

As for the date of brining it up, the Confirmation Statement (so hardly secret) was lodged at CH yesterday and thus the notification email rolled up this morning.

Yes, I was joking about the date.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:12:31
Can we flip that and ask 'why would Chris Kiely having money in the club be a secret?

Never a dull day supporting this club.

Club refuse to go into details on him in AB notes/questions and claim he's a 'contractor' so essentially there's nothing more to see here

But this absolutely fucking stinks, call it how it is. Wouldn't be bothered if we was all told from day one, fact is we were told the opposite. Never change swindon and keep banging the open and transparent drum.

Oh, and god help you if you think Bethany Parladorio and Edward Parladorio is just a case of coincidence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:12:38
[Link removed - tried to link directly to the doc but it doesn't work. It's publicly available on companies house though, just need to go get yourself]

Shows 8145 shares for Axis, 1794 for Hollie Kiely and 524 for Bethany Parladorio. The 2318 held by the latter two were previously held by Axis, so they transferred ownership of roughly 20% of the company last September.

I believe Swinton Reds (this holding company) owns 100% of the shares in the actual football club, which is a separate business for good reasons which I don't know enough to understand, but is fairly typical of club ownership.

So what's the questions for the Advisory Board (I don't mind submitting them particularly, they're reasonable questions that the club should be able to answer)

Roughly 20% of the shares in Swinton Reds (the holding company that controls the club and had previously been 100% owned by Clem through Axis) were transferred last September, roughly three quarters to Hollie Kiely and one quarter to Bethany Parladorio

Who are Hollie Kiely and Bethany Parlodorio? Will they be playing any active role in the administration of the club? How did they come to be involved? Are they relatives of Chris Kiely and Eddie Parlodorio, both of whom have had previous business with the club under Clem's ownership?

The June minutes of this meeting mentioned that "Chris Kiely provides data consultancy that will support recruitment" - is that the full extent of his involvement?

Eddie Parlodorio has acted for the club and for Clem in various legal matters, including sitting on the advisory board. Does he have any ongoing involvement in the club beyond rendering such services?

Is there any significance to this happening in September 2022? Have any further share transfers taken place since?

Does the club accept that fans are likely to be interested in such changes, that such interest is legitimate, and that it would be better for such changes to be announced publicly by the club, rather than discovered in line with Companies House submissions?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:20:09
What legitimate reasons are there for the wife/female relation of the clubs legal counsel and head of scouting/recruitment/data provider (whatever Chris Kielys role is) be shareholders of the holding company of the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:21:49
Don't worry, I'm sure the Trust are all over this. By which I mean, they found out today and will rapidly fire a tweet out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:27:46
A direct question to ask would be who the Kiely and Parladorio shares are owned on trust for, and is there *any* association between those two and Michael Standing, Austin, Hart, or anybody else. I think we all know the answer, but it would be nice to hear that from the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:37:26
What legitimate reasons are there for the wife/female relation of the clubs legal counsel and head of scouting/recruitment/data provider (whatever Chris Kielys role is) be shareholders of the holding company of the club?

Could be a plethora of reasons be they positive or benign (which the gleeful harbingers of doom will no doubt ignore) or negative. Looks like the questions will rightly be raised by the existing methods so its a wait and see I suggest.

A direct question to ask would be who the Kiely and Parladorio shares are owned on trust for, and is there *any* association between those two and Michael Standing, Austin, Hart, or anybody else. I think we all know the answer, but it would be nice to hear that from the club.

Do we know that they are owned on trust for someone and if so who?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:40:39
Could be a plethora of reasons be they positive or benign (which the gleeful harbingers of doom will no doubt ignore) or negative. Looks like the questions will rightly be raised by the existing methods so its a wait and see I suggest.

I agree - let's give the club a chance to answer the questions before we go thermonuclear on this one. They need asking, but there are answers that I'd be perfectly fine with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:41:50
Hasn't Clem said time and again that he is the only owner?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:42:39
But genuinely, what would be the good answers? Not meant in a loaded manner and I’m happy to accept if there are, but I can’t think of any (short of massive co-incidence), and it doesn’t pass the sniff test


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:44:34
But genuinely, what would be the good answers?

I dunno, off the top of my head that the Kiely and Parladorio families have both pumped £20m in each into the business for instance (if I now say FACT will this go all over Twitter??  :D )


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:45:32
A direct question to ask would be who the Kiely and Parladorio shares are owned on trust for, and is there *any* association between those two and Michael Standing, Austin, Hart, or anybody else. I think we all know the answer, but it would be nice to hear that from the club.

Parladorio is also Standing's lawyer. Standing still owns an agency, our first team manager is an agent of said agency.

I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with that per se, but given we have an FA charge hanging over us, these links maybe don't help? (tbh I've no real clue but just putting it out there)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:47:19
But genuinely, what would be the good answers?

Bang on... and after being told for months on months Kiely is nothing more than a contractor offering data services.. he/his family now have a stake in club. Him being a contractor was also a reason given for him not to be able to appear at fans forum.

Problem is the gleeful cuckold harbingers of positivity will tell you to wait and that this is nothing to query. They addressed the clem axis liquidation thing within hours and everyone believed it and was happy with answers (rightly so). Lets see how they deal with this.

Like said earlier, if this was always the case I don't think anyone would be bothered, but why's it been spun a different way for so long?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:51:33
Parladorio is also Standing's lawyer. Standing still owns an agency, our first team manager is an agent of said agency.

I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with that per se, but given we have an FA charge hanging over us, these links maybe don't help? (tbh I've no real clue but just putting it out there)

I suspect he is also lawyer of probably 100's if not 1000's of other people, including the guy who owns the majority of the club. If this was something nefarious re Harding it would be particularly numbnutty to do it all in the public domain, I note that Bethany Parladorio is also sole director a skin care company, perhaps its just in lieu of a shit load of moisturiser?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:52:53
Announce the official moisturiser sponsor!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:54:01
Announce the official moisturiser sponsor!
.
It's astounding we don't have one already!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:57:10
John Legend to sponsor the karaoke microphone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 10:58:33
I dunno, off the top of my head that the Kiely and Parladorio families have both pumped £20m in each into the business for instance (if I now say FACT will this go all over Twitter??  :D )

Pretty much this - if they're investing, or have been given shares (or options) in lieu of payment for services rendered then that is... okay. Not great, but I'm not going to lose my mind about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 11:54:34
I suspect he is also lawyer of probably 100's if not 1000's of other people, including the guy who owns the majority of the club. If this was something nefarious re Harding it would be particularly numbnutty to do it all in the public domain, I note that Bethany Parladorio is also sole director a skin care company, perhaps its just in lieu of a shit load of moisturiser?

Who is Harding?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 11:54:46
The Trust knew nothing about them shares. Worrying really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 11:56:43
The Trust knew nothing about them shares. Worrying really.

Not great to hear


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:04:29
Who is the co-owner of the CG? Is it this Swinton vehicle? Surprised that the Trust don't have to be notified in advance of this stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:22:07
For an open and transparent regime we sure find out stuff that matters by accident and by monitoring companies House.

Ripper


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:26:56
I have submitted the questions in my earlier post. Let's hope for a reply sooner rather than later, and that the answers are full, satisfactory and positive, so that we can get back to enjoying the season!

Roughly 20% of the shares in Swinton Reds (the holding company that controls the club and had previously been 100% owned by Clem through Axis) were transferred last September, roughly three quarters to Hollie Kiely and one quarter to Bethany Parladorio

Who are Hollie Kiely and Bethany Parlodorio? Will they be playing any active role in the administration of the club? How did they come to be involved? Are they relatives of Chris Kiely and Eddie Parlodorio, both of whom have had previous business with the club under Clem's ownership?

The June minutes of this meeting mentioned that "Chris Kiely provides data consultancy that will support recruitment" - is that the full extent of his involvement?

Eddie Parlodorio has acted for the club and for Clem in various legal matters, including sitting on the advisory board. Does he have any ongoing involvement in the club beyond rendering such services?

Is there any significance to this happening in September 2022? Have any further share transfers taken place since?

Does the club accept that fans are likely to be interested in such changes, that such interest is legitimate, and that it would be better for such changes to be announced publicly by the club, rather than discovered in line with Companies House submissions?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:27:25
For an open and transparent regime we sure find out stuff that matters by accident and by monitoring companies House.

Ripper

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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:29:49
It's fucking ridiculous it really is. All this could have saved so much shit, it was clear from day one that others were involved why not just say as much and basically tell the fans like it or lump it.

All they have done is dig and dig and dig and look shady as fuck in the meantime. Just come out tonight and lay it all on the line ffs and then let fans make their minds up. It's a constant negative hanging over the clu and frankly for me personally makes supporting the club an absolute effort


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:31:27
John Legend to sponsor the karaoke microphone.

In Trust for Vladimir Putin obviously.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:32:31
It's fucking ridiculous it really is. All this could have saved so much shit, it was clear from day one that others were involved why not just say as much and basically tell the fans like it or lump it.

All they have done is dig and dig and dig and look shady as fuck in the meantime. Just come out tonight and lay it all on the line ffs and then let fans make their minds up. It's a constant negative hanging over the clu and frankly for me personally makes supporting the club an absolute effort

Best post I’ve read on here in a while 👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:33:31
I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain at least one question asking if Clem is the only person invested/owning the club has been answered with "yes" in the AB minutes since the share exchange would have occurred.

It could all indeed be benign, but why avoid answering about Kiely and the ownership if you know you just shifted 20% of the company on?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:33:46
A lot of people here need to relax. Its akin to the fools on social media constantly looking for something to be offended by.

Ask the question and wait for the answer.

No need to jump to conclusions or heap speculation on top of suspicion and rile up more of the fan base based on not a lot.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:38:53
A lot of people here need to relax. Its akin to the fools on social media constantly looking for something to be offended by.

Ask the question and wait for the answer.

No need to jump to conclusions or heap speculation on top of suspicion and rile up more of the fan base based on not a lot.



And if the club wished to endear positive feelings and avoid such reactions, they'd do well to NOT answer questions with a "lie" and ensure they understand what being an open and honest club actually entails.  You know, making announcements about impacts to ownership and influence when they occur.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:40:07
Yeah, what I don't get is why is Chris Kiely such a big secret? As far as I'm aware he isn't someone we'd be in shit for like a Michael Standing or a dodgy ex con like Adam Hart, is he?

So what on earth is the fuckin point? What are you trying to hide Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:41:19
April 2023

Question

There are a lot of rumours and certainly there's something not quite right in the boardroom/football
management side. With regards to the club setting out season tickets for next year I feel that Chris Kiely and this
MPS data company should make clear just what role they have to play. It's glaringly obvious all is not well and the
silence from Clem, Zav, Sandro doesn't alleviate any fears. The Trust and us fans have all joined together for the
good of the club going forward but there's a cloud hanging over the County Ground.

Can we get some kind of honesty from the Club?. I've been a trust member from day one and defended you
vehemently but there's some nagging doubt bugging a lot of us. Please try to get some clarification and not just
piecemeal actual statements.

Answer

The club acknowledges the importance of player recruitment and is continuously working to improve this area. The recruitment strategy will be reviewed and improved in the off-season to ensure that the team is in a better position to compete for promotion next season with the right mix of experience and youth. The club appreciates the support of the fans and understands their concerns regarding this matter


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:42:27
In the July 2022 AB Clem said:  "I’m the 100% shareholder & owner."

Any advances on July 2022?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:43:05
In the July 2022 AB Clem said:  "I’m the 100% shareholder & owner."

Any advances on July 2022?

Which was true at the time of answering, to be fair.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:43:45
Yeah, what I don't get is why is Chris Kiely such a big secret? As far as I'm aware he isn't someone we'd be in shit for like a Michael Standing or a dodgy ex con like Adam Hart, is he?

So what on earth is the fuckin point? What are you trying to hide Clem?

I *think* he's got history of failed businesses and would fail the fit and proper test. So nothing nefarious really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:44:19
In the July 2022 AB Clem said:  "I’m the 100% shareholder & owner."

Any advances on July 2022?

And if that is the case then you can all ignore my thoughts on the question being answered, given the timing was clearly not what I had thought.  Still need to make these announcements when they happen though, and the Kiely one was sneaky if they rely on the fact it's his wife and not Chris who got the shares.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:47:58
I *think* he's got history of failed businesses and would fail the fit and proper test. So nothing nefarious really.

It might put us on edge but I don't think that fails fit and proper. Lee Power has a history of failed businesses including several football clubs and passed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:48:08
Which was true at the time of answering, to be fair.

Yup, just wondering if it has been said since then that anyone can remember.

In fact, was it in his BBC interview...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:49:16
Yeah, what I don't get is why is Chris Kiely such a big secret? As far as I'm aware he isn't someone we'd be in shit for like a Michael Standing or a dodgy ex con like Adam Hart, is he?

So what on earth is the fuckin point? What are you trying to hide Clem?

Would we be in the shit with Standing now, thought he wasn't an agent any more which was the problem when he was tied up with Power.

Would possibly also explain why it has been done formally this time* rather than off the record as per the Power 'arrangement'.

* That's assuming this has anything to do with Standing whatsoever, something to which there apparently appears to be no evidence to date to suggest thus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:49:38
It might put us on edge but I don't think that fails fit and proper. Lee Power has a history of failed businesses including several football clubs and passed.

Ha - fair point. I have no idea, but wouldn't they have made it more stringent to stop people like Power getting involved in future?

In all honesty most of what I am saying is pure unadulterated speculation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:50:51
Which was true at the time of answering, to be fair.

but question also firmly dodged above in April 2023.

"With regards to the club setting out season tickets for next year I feel that Chris Kiely and this
MPS data company should make clear just what role they have to play.

Can we get some kind of honesty from the Club?"

Then dodged in the answer. Clear chance to say "yeah, actually we've given his Mrs 20%" and instead waffled about the squad makeup.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 13:01:43
but question also firmly dodged above in April 2023.

"With regards to the club setting out season tickets for next year I feel that Chris Kiely and this
MPS data company should make clear just what role they have to play.

Can we get some kind of honesty from the Club?"

Then dodged in the answer. Clear chance to say "yeah, actually we've given his Mrs 20%" and instead waffled about the squad makeup.

Have we given it to his missus then, I would have assumed either hard cash or services would have changed hands?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 13:10:49
https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1691798861151429068

Trust ask the club. Let's see what happens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 13:54:44
It’s actually mad they weren’t aware of it, it’s nearly a year ago.
What do they actually do now? They don’t seem fit for purpose at all.

This could all be nothing, but the fact that the supporters trust aren’t on top of stuff like this is baffling really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:00:10
It’s actually mad they weren’t aware of it, it’s nearly a year ago.
What do they actually do now? They don’t seem fit for purpose at all.

This could all be nothing, but the fact that the supporters trust aren’t on top of stuff like this is baffling really.

Why should they be aware, its only come into the public domain now off the back of Swinton Reds (the ultimate parent company, originally being Power's vehicle to take over) being required to submit a Confirmation Statement to Companies House every 12 months.

I see that Seebeck's (Jeds vehicle that sits between Swinton and STFC Ltd in the chain of ownership) accounts are also way overdue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:02:08
It’s actually mad they weren’t aware of it, it’s nearly a year ago.
What do they actually do now? They don’t seem fit for purpose at all.

This could all be nothing, but the fact that the supporters trust aren’t on top of stuff like this is baffling really.
I raised the topic on here a while back about the memorandum's of understanding changing for the clubs parents companies and how this would ease a share transfer. A trust member acknowledged it, and maybe even investigated it, but came back saying it's standard business practice to clean up these articles and nothing to worry about. Which may be and probably is true in most circumstances, but that put them on notice a while ago to really dig into this, especially when the majority of the changes to those articles were specifically about share transfers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:03:06
Why should they be aware, its only come into the public domain now off the back of Swinton Reds (the ultimate parent company, originally being Power's vehicle to take over) being required to submit a Confirmation Statement to Companies House every 12 months.

I see that Seebeck's (Jeds vehicle that sits between Swinton and STFC Ltd in the chain of ownership) accounts are also way overdue.

You genuinely don’t think that the Trust, who have monthly meetings with the board and are supposed to hold the club to account on various things on the supporters behalf, should be aware of club shares being transferred etc?

Really?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:06:13
You genuinely don’t think that the Trust, who have monthly meetings with the board and are supposed to hold the club to account on various things on the supporters behalf, should be aware of club shares being transferred etc?

Really?

If the club choose not to tell them, how would they find out? Presuming Ms. Kiely and Ms. Parladorio are not taking an active part in discussions with the Trust, or otherwise wielding executive power. It's not a great sign, but I don't think the Trust have any way of knowing if the club don't tell them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:08:11
Yes, as mentioned previously, I'm surprised that as co-owners of the ground there isn't some clause where they have to notify each other of changes to ownership. That seems odd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:09:40
On a totally separate note, we've hit 5000 season tickets sold, which is a great effort from the fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:17:47
On a totally separate note, we've hit 5000 season tickets sold, which is a great effort from the fans.

That really is great everything considered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:18:57
If the club choose not to tell them, how would they find out? Presuming Ms. Kiely and Ms. Parladorio are not taking an active part in discussions with the Trust, or otherwise wielding executive power. It's not a great sign, but I don't think the Trust have any way of knowing if the club don't tell them.

Pretty much this, would be interesting to know what extent other Supporters Trusts are included in the nuts and bolts of corporate governance of their clubs before passing any judgement. As noted before this has only come out as its been done properly and legally this time unlike the below the counter deal with Power/Standing.

Yes, as mentioned previously, I'm surprised that as co-owners of the ground there isn't some clause where they have to notify each other of changes to ownership. That seems odd.

There hasn't been a change of ownership though, just a dilution in Clem's shareholding of the ultimate parent company (who is the JV actually between anyway, are Swinton a signatory to it?), he's still the majority shareholder and unless the two ladies are involved in decision making will make little difference to the JV. JV's are very common in property projects and if companies were constantly having to update each other of changes in shareholdings such specialist Lawyers would be considerably wealthier than they are already!

On a totally separate note, we've hit 5000 season tickets sold, which is a great effort from the fans.

Bloody good effort, albeit I assumed finally pushed over the line by the 20 ST's Ms Kiely and Ms Parladorio have each purchased?  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:23:23
On a totally separate note, we've hit 5000 season tickets sold, which is a great effort from the fans.

Can anyone remember last seasons total just out of interest?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:28:21
Can anyone remember last seasons total just out of interest?

I'm pretty sure we never hit the 6k, so to get anywhere close after the price increase and the season we had is a fantastic backing from the fans again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Laddy in Red on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:29:42
How could the Trust know about this be aware if the club isn't forthcoming?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:38:28

I'm pretty sure we never hit the 6k, so to get anywhere close after the price increase and the season we had is a fantastic backing from the fans again.


Yep. Yet again the fans doing their bit as ever. Would be nice to see some balance in this regard. There's a cost of living crisis at present but it seems the club never acknowledges this is a thing when asking fans to put their hands in their pocket. They only acknowledge it on their viewpoint ie '...we've had to cut back on x due to the cost of living crisis and interest rates...' yet on the other hand they say '...but we're asking all fans to dig deep and put any money they can into the club...'

Separate initiatives aside like Foundation Park and DMC's Homeless Ticket [both actually separate to STFC], what are the club actually doing to give a bit back to fans. I might have missed the big marketing campaign that mentions what they are giving back to the fans but it comes across as ''take take take'' or ''we'll make you feel guilty about it if you don't give give give''  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 14:46:26
I'm pretty sure we never hit the 6k, so to get anywhere close after the price increase and the season we had is a fantastic backing from the fans again.

I think it was around 5400 ish


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 15:49:01
Pretty much this, would be interesting to know what extent other Supporters Trusts are included in the nuts and bolts of corporate governance of their clubs before passing any judgement. As noted before this has only come out as its been done properly and legally this time unlike the below the counter deal with Power/Standing.

The point being here that the Trust were very much on the ball and vigilant when Power was in charge, yet still had no idea these things were happening.

So the implication that they have taken their eye of the ball, or worse are turning a blind eye just doesn't hold water.

The only thing you could say is that they should have been aware today in the same way as the person monitoring through Companies House


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:04:53
The point being here that the Trust were very much on the ball and vigilant when Power was in charge, yet still had no idea these things were happening.

So the implication that they have taken their eye of the ball, or worse are turning a blind eye just doesn't hold water.

The only thing you could say is that they should have been aware today in the same way as the person monitoring through Companies House

The difference is that the Trust didn't act as Power's cheerleaders and political agents. The Trust actively aided and abetted Clem's takeover, having done their 'due diligence' on 'The Messiah', as the Matchday Guest calls him.

They have trumpeted his openness and transparency throughout, yet seemingly keep getting wrong footed every time another skeleton falls out of the closet.

The nature of their relationship with Clem as opposed to theirs with Power means that they should be held to a higher standard on this stuff to avoid accusations that they were little more than his useful idiots.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:33:27
Surely the question must be.... When will Micheal Standing eventually become known as a shareholder of STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 17:56:58
Dont think they are asking the question about the shares after what i just caught the end of



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Kaufman on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:00:46
It’s on twitch here if you want to watch it live
https://m.twitch.tv/officialstfc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:02:12
7-10 years for the stadium


Title: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:12:10
gutted I couldn't make it tonight.

has there been any finances discussion? Do we still project a 500k loss this year?

Suppose I can submit it to the AB


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:22:39
interesting. club distancing itself with Karachi and are pushing Australia


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:43:04
Anyone asked about the shares yet?

Can't really hear fuck all on twitch really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:45:38
Puma kit deal runs until 2026... FML


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:48:23
Anyone asked about the shares yet?

Can't really hear fuck all on twitch really.

They said at the start Clem was 100% owner and would not be answering questions on it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:49:39
They said at the start Clem was 100% owner and would not be answering questions on it.

Hard to work out if this is a joke or legit...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:52:18
Puma kit deal runs until 2026... FML

WTF....why? haha. Clearly signed up long term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:52:37
Puma kit deal runs until 2026... FML

WTF....why? haha. Clearly signed up long term.
They said at the start Clem was 100% owner and would not be answering questions on it.

Tansmedia?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:52:51
Heard it on the stream at the start

Vic Morgan said it was a statement from Rob Angus

Im sure if you listen to the twitter space from the start when its finished it will be on there


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:53:55
Any pressing questions about the important issues such as catering?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:54:40
Heard it on the stream at the start

Vic Morgan said it was a statement from Rob Angus

Im sure if you listen to the twitter space from the start when its finished it will be on there

If you aren’t on the wind up, that is honestly laughable.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:54:41
They said at the start Clem was 100% owner and would not be answering questions on it.

I mean, that’s categorically untrue isn’t it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:57:08
If you aren’t on the wind up, that is honestly laughable.



#Open #Transparent


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:58:08
5 minutes in is the statement

They said its an error :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:58:18
Any pressing questions about the important issues such as catering?

Our fanbase isn't representative of the diversity of the town apparently. That was a pressing one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:01:49
5 minutes in is the statement

They said its an error :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Clem was busy managing his portfolio when he thought he'd take a little break and watch some porn.   Unfortunately while believing he was sending some credits the way of the web cam girl it appears he accidently divested 20% of one of his businesses.  It's easily done.  With so many plates to spin, he sometimes doesn't know if he is coming or going.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:03:04
Clem was busy managing his portfolio when he thought he'd take a little break and watch some porn.   Unfortunately while believing he was sending some credits the way of the web cam girl it appears he accidently divested 20% of one of his business.  It's easily done.  With so many plates to spin, he sometimes doesn't know if he is coming or going.

Companies house, programmes. All one big accident isnt it :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:04:04
5 minutes in is the statement

They said its an error :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I just listened back and heard that.

So basically RA asked Clem who said it was a mistake and it will be updated, he is 100% sole owner.

Quite a specific mistake to just get pulled randomly out of nowhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:04:44
How on earth do those two particular names of Keily and Parladorio end up on the parent companies Confirmation Statement by accident?! That's utter utter BS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:06:13
Interesting the Karachi project is being viewed as an external interest now. Wonder if that’s come from increased scrutiny/fan pressure or if they always viewed it as more of an external project, and one they aren’t completely all in on. To me, at least, it seemed like the club really pushed it initially on social platforms, however, they’ve started to distance themselves from it over the past year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:06:58
For fuck sake. Honestly lost for words.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:07:35
Clem was busy managing his portfolio when he thought he'd take a little break and watch some porn.   Unfortunately while believing he was sending some credits the way of the web cam girl it appears he accidently divested 20% of one of his businesses.  It's easily done.  With so many plates to spin, he sometimes doesn't know if he is coming or going.

“So when it asked you if you wanted to watch Bangkok chick boys you accidentally clicked the button that said yes”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:08:18
Interesting the Karachi project is being viewed as an external interest now. Wonder if that’s come from increased scrutiny/fan pressure or if they always viewed it as more of an external project, and one they aren’t completely all in on.

I would imagine it was always a personal thing, but it needed an official business reason to get Visa's approved in Pakistan.  Not sure Zav would have managed to get it through if he was just trying to get some Visa's sold off for cleaners of his 3bed semi in South East London, or wherever he lives.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:10:14
Also 7 to 10 years? Wasn't the plans to start the bank next year?

All sounding like Clem is full of hot air to me and its starting to run out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:11:21
This is North Korean levels of bullshit.

Two very specific names end up on the docs at Companies House and it is all just a mix up... nothing to see here... move on... In Clem we trust.

Talking of the Trust, will they call out this total twaddle? Will they hell. Probably off for a Chinese with Zav tonight.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:12:13
This is North Korean levels of bullshit.

Two very specific names end up on the docs at Companies House and it is all just a mix up... nothing to see here... move on... In Clem we trust.

Talking of the Trust, will they call out this total twaddle? Will they hell. Probably off for a Chinese with Zav tonight.

They want to be careful if he offers to sign for the bill.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:12:48
This club never ever helps itself. Whenever there is a whiff of optimism around, they somehow find a way to throw water over it. That’s why we can’t build any positive momentum in atmosphere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:13:32
Also 7 to 10 years? Wasn't the plans to start the bank next year?

All sounding like Clem is full of hot air to me and its starting to run out.

I presume - couldn't really hear anything so gave up - that this was a timeline for completion,  not starting.  The Town End was always likely to be three to four years off from ground breaking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:14:11
I’m not one who looks for any opportunity to slate the club etc, but that ‘reason’ for the companies house debacle, is quite frankly, laughable. Even if it was a mistake (who on earth is believing that?) then it sums up the form of the club over the past year. One blunder, to another.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:15:37
Surely the Trust can't take that BS for a firm answer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:16:37
And to read a statement and say "there will be no more questions" is straight out of the Dictator's playbook.

Rob Angus is essentially that Comical Ali chap from the Iraq War at this point. "There are no Allied tanks in Baghdad!"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:17:47
Tip 1 for ruling a football club: don’t promise transparency if you are going to so blatantly hide stuff and lie. Embarrassing 


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:19:17
"Has anyone seen my football club, I just had it" - "have you checked your pockets love?"  "of course I have you stu...., fuck, there it is, how did it get there, stupid fucking football clubs, always losing bits of them by accident".


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:19:38
So this very specific change made it all the way to submission and director sign off, in error.

Rob Angus hang your head in shame.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:20:52
So this very specific change made it all the way to submission and director sign off, in error.

Rob Angus hang your head in shame.

Puppet


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:21:45
Puppet

Very much this. Being made to say what he’s told when even in his voice you could tell it was laughable.

Hopefully the trust (although I doubt this will happen) call that out for what it was, BS! How can you file a change of shares in “error”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:23:36
The club likes to act like its Fan run and take all the benefits of that when it’s not. Everything is “transparency and honesty” and geared towards “give us as much of your money so we can stay alive” when it benefits them but when there’s genuine issues that need proper answers, they go quiet. Laughable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:23:58
"Has anyone seen my football club, I just had it" - "have you checked your pockets love?"  "of course I have you stu...., fuck, there it is, how did it get there, stupid fucking football clubs, always losing bits of them by accident".

I'm always losing 20% of a football club down the back of the sofa, in fairness.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:24:09
So where was Clem?

From the postponement in May…

Rob Angus on the postponement: “Rather than Clem appearing via a video link at 3 am in the morning in Perth, the Club has made the decision to defer the Fans Forum to a later date, where he can be present at The County Ground.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:24:26
They pushed the fans forum back as far back as possible, Clem has gone mostly AWOL since Manchester City at home (?), and he seems fucked off at having to answer pressing questions. I’d understand his annoyance if he provided the same, clear, concise answers, but when it’s utter bullshit, it’s grating.

The measures they have implemented to be “open” is a joke. The AB minutes is a shoddy design to look like they’re being open. In reality, it’s the old boy’s club, full of pre-selected questions and answers that completely ignore the questions. Club need to sort it out asap, as we’re in the third season of the club being backed very well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:25:30
"Funny thing happened at work today dear"

"What's that?"

"Well, I accidently created, printed, signed, scanned, saved and e-mailed a share transfer document for 20% of my bosses business to two wives of men he works with.  And there I was, thinking I had popped the Keurig on for some Dark Roast"

"That's odd dear"

"Yep, sure is.  Not to worry though, I popped a note in the calendar to sort it out in about 12 months or so.  It'll be like it never happened.  Think I will just have a water tomorrow, much safer"


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:26:56
they haven't really give and said it's a mistake have they? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Fucking hell. Please tell me you're joking


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:27:23
Also 7 to 10 years? Wasn't the plans to start the bank next year?

All sounding like Clem is full of hot air to me and its starting to run out.

Clem won’t be here then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:27:34
they haven't really give and said it's a mistake have they? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Fucking hell. Please tell me you're joking

Just replied to you on twitter


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:27:39
You only have to look at the those on the AB.

A mate of mine is a sponsor and said he has never spoken once to the so called sponsors representative, so whose views is he actually representing?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:28:31
they haven't really give and said it's a mistake have they? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Fucking hell. Please tell me you're joking

I honestly don't know because I couldn't hear anything myself, so gave up, but it's great material even if it didn't happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:28:36
Clem won’t be here then.

Oh yes he will! He told all his cosy mates that he'll be here forever and ever and anyone who doesn't believe that isn't a real fan, so there!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:29:15
So the honeymoon is officially over then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:29:42
"Funny thing happened at work today dear"

"What's that?"

"Well, I accidently created, printed, signed, scanned, saved and e-mailed a share transfer document for 20% of my bosses business to two wives of men he works with.  And there I was, thinking I had popped the Keurig on for some Dark Roast"

"That's odd dear"

"Yep, sure is.  Not to worry though, I popped a note in the calendar to sort it out in about 12 months or so.  It'll be like it never happened.  Think I will just have a water tomorrow, much safer"

This is exactly the point. This process couldn't happen by mistake... ever. Not possible. Farce.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:33:13
thanks Tans. I'll post my reply here:

OMFG 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

This isn't the club program or guest list Clem 'accidental director error'

And even if it was true, who the hell with signoff authority filed it "in error".

He's turning into bullshit Bruce. "That's not an error, this is an error"

#stfc


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:34:51
Little did Clem know that the fanbase was actually Mystery Incorporated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:35:14
Surely the question must be.... When will Micheal Standing eventually become known as a shareholder of STFC.


Still runs the club. Never been away.
Zav still informing people that he is also part of the Club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Rodney on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:35:28
If they keep up the ‘it was an accident’ line (for the second time) then this is probably the point where RA’s credibility greatly diminishes.

Either he knew and said nothing despite the transparency drum-banging. Or he didn’t know which is probably more worrying.

Also, funny this has all come out after the ground ownership was sorted. Coincidence?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:35:56
So the honeymoon is officially over then?

For seasoned STFC watchers not dazzled by the pulling of a pint, it never started.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:37:12
Still runs the club. Never been away.
Zav still informing people that he is also part of the Club.



Yes, he's the Matchday Guest, right...? Right...?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:47:32
What a club 😂😂😂😂

If you believe this then fucking hell, sweet clem and Saint Zav have some flying pigs for sale! Error they said. Error statement on companies house. That’s a new one and even for whiter than white Swindon town, that’s a classic 😂. They’ve realised how shady and fucked up this all is and are probably having the shades rescinded/given back in some kind of way.

Zav is just the match day guest who’s always in the seats of the chairman and turns up every game. Fair play to him I say, seeing as he’s got zero involvement in the club he must be a real fan, credit for backing us home and away like us… pull the other one lads.

Fucking Lies is what it is. The buzz of 95th min limbs last night to this shite.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:49:23
Power wasn't so bad after all 🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:51:58
Power wasn't so bad after all 🤣

In many ways he was more open and transparent. He was transparently a total spiv Poundland gangster wannabe.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:55:31
There is just no defending them with this unfortunately, even the Trust must begin to worry who they’ve got into bed with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:57:13
There is just no defending them with this unfortunately, even the Trust must begin to worry who they’ve got into bed with.

And there’s the main issue, far too deep in now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 19:57:48
How can anything they say be trusted at this point? It’s just causing their own problems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:01:05
Puppet

Always has been.
Front to the fans, has no say in anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:01:18
Yep that’s the concern. With the ground ownership etc, the trust have made their bed. There is no way the trust should have been allowed to get so close to Clem. I’m all for them having a strong relationship with Clem, but from an outsiders view, it looks like Clem has morphed them into some mouthpiece to calm the fanbase down from asking questions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:02:01
Clem isn’t The Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:02:16
Fuck me. You can't submit share documents to Companies House by accident, that's fucking mental.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:02:56
Quote from: Quagmire
There is just no defending them with this unfortunately, even the Trust must begin to worry who they’ve got into bed with.

I usually form an opinion then backtrack in my own mind. You're usually level headed. yet we agree immediately on this. worrying!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:03:41
For seasoned STFC watchers not dazzled by the pulling of a pint, it never started.

I had Power nailed on as a cunt straight away. Genuinely thought Clem was genuine.

Maybe its the lack of cockney spiv accent that didn't have me on as high alert.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:04:32
Quote from: Ides of March
Yep that’s the concern. With the ground ownership etc, the trust have made their bed. There is no way the trust should have been allowed to get so close to Clem. I’m all for them having a strong relationship with Clem, but from an outsiders view, it looks like Clem has morphed them into some mouthpiece to calm the fanbase down from asking questions.

in some ways the goal of getting Power out asap (before the club folded) kind of took them down that track. Then the ground deal needed coop. I can sort of understand it..


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:05:13
I had Power nailed on as a cunt straight away. Genuinely thought Clem was genuine.

Maybe its the lack of cockney spiv accent that didn't have me on as high alert.

Zav Austin gave the game away from day one by his presence alone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:05:15
I usually form an opinion then backtrack in my own mind. You're usually level headed. yet we agree immediately on this. worrying!

Yep.
There’s just no way it’s an accident, and it’s actually insulting that they’ve tried to play the card.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:05:22
in some ways the goal of getting Power out asap (before the club folded) kind of took them down that track. Then the ground deal needed coop. I can sort of understand it..

Agree to an extent, but feel they’ve gone way too far down that line. Maybe it was impossible for them to avoid. Who knows


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:06:52
Guess it's worth asking...what do we do? This absolutely cannot go on without consequence. 2nd time this has happened now and I know purely as fans there's not a whole lot we can do, but this just really isn't right and seems the last straw for many a fan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:07:15
There is one scenario I can think of,

Clem needed cash
Clem agreed to sell shares
Clem changed mind and used Axis assets but the paperwork went through....

Nah, even that's nonsense, we are 11 months on...

Hey ho


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:07:35
I think Rob Angus involvement is what had my alert dropped mainly. If he was involved they must be genuine, was my thinking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:08:16
Guess it's worth asking...what do we do? This absolutely cannot go on without consequence. 2nd time this has happened now and I know purely as fans there's not a whole lot we can do, but this just really isn't right and seems the last straw for many a fan.

If only we had a supporters trust that could hold the club to account.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:09:51
There's no way this can be spun. If it went to court today the two women are legally part owners of that company. The shameful insulting of loyal fans intelligence gets more and more brazen..




Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:10:20
Guess it's worth asking...what do we do? This absolutely cannot go on without consequence. 2nd time this has happened now and I know purely as fans there's not a whole lot we can do, but this just really isn't right and seems the last straw for many a fan.

First of all. Can I say whatever anyone does, we're still supporting Flynn and the team.

The first lovely bloke to come out and tell people off like when Power was in charge because we were doing well in the league and then claim the "**** out mob are quiet tonight" because we've won a game.....well don't just fuck off, fuck all the way off and then fuck off some more.  :smugfu: :headhurts:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:12:22
First of all. Can I say whatever anyone does, we're still supporting Flynn and the team.

The first lovely bloke to come out and tell people off like when Power was in charge because we were doing well in the league and then claim the "**** out mob are quiet tonight" because we've won a game.....well don't just fuck off, fuck all the way off and then fuck off some more.  :smugfu: :headhurts:

Oh absolutely. Supporting Flynn and the Team goes without saying.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:12:30
Guess it's worth asking...what do we do? This absolutely cannot go on without consequence. 2nd time this has happened now and I know purely as fans there's not a whole lot we can do, but this just really isn't right and seems the last straw for many a fan.

Nothing much to do.

Keep up the vigilance and scrutiny. Question everything. Trust nothing.

Try to head off anything dodgy as it comes to light
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Thought it was odd that kiely didn't fuck off with "his man" Sandro.
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Thing is, the club on the face of it seems to be much better run than for quite some time in that afaik suppliers are being paid and nobody is coming round to reposes the Rolex.

Things like this just destroy trust



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:13:33
Jed to Power to Clem, its just spivy mates backstabbing each other and trying to fuck each other over to get control of a football club.

Like some shite Game of Thrones with football players instead of dragons.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:13:51
If only we had a supporters trust that could hold the club to account.
Surely even they must be wondering to themselves tonight WTAF.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:15:16
Oh absolutely. Supporting Flynn and the Team goes without saying.

It should do, but the Power debacle made it pretty clear that an embarrassingly large amount of our fans lack the mental capacity to differentiate between supporting the team and not being happy with the board.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:17:03
Just caught up on all this, WOW! No wonder Clem is avoided the fans forum.

No wonder Clem ended up in business with Power, he’s clearly dodgy as fuck as well although to be honest his other business associates told us that already!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:17:18
What was the reverse ferret on Karachi BTW? That it was never anything to do with the club...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:17:35
So, is any of this stuff in any way illegal or against FA rules? Or is it just a ‘hide it from the fans’ kind of thing.

What’s the advantage to Clem or the club by being secretive about this lark.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:17:41
Today was certainly air your dirty laundry day :D

Dukey was right many months ago when he said it would all come out in the wash!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:18:49
What was the reverse ferret on Karachi BTW? That it was never anything to do with the club...?

From the adver blog. Jamie Russell regarding Karachi: Our main focus is on the Australian link. That was a different driver, and not something directly associated with the club. The club have not washed their hands with it, though, as one fan asked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:20:35
Nothing much to do.

Keep up the vigilance and scrutiny. Question everything. Trust nothing.

Try to head off anything dodgy as it comes to light
-------
Thought it was odd that kiely didn't fuck off with "his man" Sandro.
-----
Thing is, the club on the face of it seems to be much better run than for quite some time in that afaik suppliers are being paid and nobody is coming round to reposes the Rolex.

Things like this just destroy trust



It's only a 7m turnover a year business, it shouldn't be that hard to run.  I imagine plenty of people run their own businesses in Swindon that are bigger and more complex.

I still don't think Clem is a bad nut as such, just has no idea how to run a football club in a different Country and knows some less than stellar people to help him out.   Not trying to be offensive, but I expect he knows plenty of people who have some degree of dodginess in their past based on the industry he works in.  I imagine old habits die hard, even when trying to do the right thing overall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:21:32
Quote from: Mooneyraker
What was the reverse ferret on Karachi BTW? That it was never anything to do with the club...?
pretty much. it was always "external", wasn't sure if it was continuing and they club push was for ties in Australia

of course somebody dug this out within 30 seconds

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1491456070543634434?t=CJf-9jpvUrkB60Fgl7eJfA&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:22:08
From the adver blog. Jamie Russell regarding Karachi: Our main focus is on the Australian link. That was a different driver, and not something directly associated with the club. The club have not washed their hands with it, though, as one fan asked.

Oh yeah, not directly associated with the club at all. They just had their client journalist at Sky Sports flown out to cover the whole charade, which had been all over the club's website.

I'm saddened that they think our entire fanbase is dense enough to swallow this faeces.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:23:02
It's only a 7m turnover a year business, it shouldn't be that hard to run.  I imagine plenty of people run their own businesses in Swindon that are bigger and more complex.

I still don't think Clem is a bad nut as such, just has no idea how to run a football club in a different Country and knows some less than stellar people to help him out.   Not trying to be offensive, but I expect he knows plenty of people who have some degree of dodginess in their past based on the industry he works in.  I imagine old habits die hard, even when trying to do the right thing overall.

Genuinely hope you're right, because I'm getting a bad feeling about this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:24:15
pretty much. it was always "external", wasn't sure if it was continuing and they club push was for ties in Australia

of course somebody dug this out within 30 seconds

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1491456070543634434?t=CJf-9jpvUrkB60Fgl7eJfA&s=19

The club that never existed.

(https://media.tenor.com/TkNmZc5L4FQAAAAM/big-pile-of-shit-jurassic-park.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:24:21
pretty much. it was always "external", wasn't sure if it was continuing and they club push was for ties in Australia

of course somebody dug this out within 30 seconds

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1491456070543634434?t=CJf-9jpvUrkB60Fgl7eJfA&s=19

Quite


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:25:22
So, is any of this stuff in any way illegal or against FA rules? Or is it just a ‘hide it from the fans’ kind of thing.

What’s the advantage to Clem or the club by being secretive about this lark.

Well, if the answer from the club today is to be believed, they are popping into the Deloreon and sorting all the mess out so it never happened in the first place and Clem is still the sole owner of the business entity that owns the Football Club.

If we believe the paperwork, it just means we have some shareholders other than Clem, who are the wives of two people heavily involved in the operations of the business over the past couple of years.  One of whom we try to keep hidden in cupboard because he must be very ugly or something, like John Merrick.

I don't know that the second option is all that worrisome - we don't really know.  The issue is more that nobody thought to mention it, or believed nobody would ever notice.  Pesky kids.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:25:27
It's only a 7m turnover a year business, it shouldn't be that hard to run.  I imagine plenty of people run their own businesses in Swindon that are bigger and more complex.

I still don't think Clem is a bad nut as such, just has no idea how to run a football club in a different Country and knows some less than stellar people to help him out.   Not trying to be offensive, but I expect he knows plenty of people who have some degree of dodginess in their past based on the industry he works in.  I imagine old habits die hard, even when trying to do the right thing overall.

I'm not having it. The bloke is brazenly lying to us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:27:17
First things first, we as fans need to demand the actual answers or the Trust pull the advisory board and start distancing themselves.

Answer the questions we want answering properly or don't bother with it. No need for the charade any longer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:28:40
Just looking for my orange hat


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:28:57
We’ve had JanAirplaneMan on here before assuring us Clem was the sole, 100% owner who is in it for the long haul.

I wonder how many of the new signings are associated with Standing’s agency - the one he stood down from.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:29:36
First things first, we as fans need to demand the actual answers or the Trust pull the advisory board and start distancing themselves.

Answer the questions we want answering properly or don't bother with it. No need for the charade any longer.
If enough of the trust membership email/enquire on the point, they would have to surely at least do something about it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:30:04
Before everyone goes into meltdown about the involvement of the Paladorio family, and people Eddie might have represented in the past, it's worth saying that his involvement in advising the club is not surprising , he's one of the most high profile football lawyers in the UK, or any kind of a secret, he's been attending the advisory board since the first one in September 2021. His picture is on the club website at that meeting. And his wife's name is Bethany. 30 seconds on Google ffs.

As for Ms Kiely, I'm going to take a guess that she might be someone that Clem has got involved to provide some expertise on exploiting the commercial potential of the County Ground redevelopment as I think she's one of the Directors of GCW, who are a national firm of advisors on town centre commercial property.

Those are a couple of people I might want on board if I was trying to develop a  football club and ground for the first time. Ok putting the shares in the wife's name is a bit questionable but it might be as simple as EP needing to maintain some semblance of independence if he's going to continue to represent other football clients. My only issue with him is his involvement in the purchase, asset stripping and bankrupting of BHS that left 10000 or so out of work and fucked their pensions. Ok he wasn't the prime culprit or beneficiary but he was the legal advisor.

Anyway, they seem to hold shares in a holding company, which CM maintains an absolute controlling interest in. They're not listed as directors or officers of that company, let alone of the club. How the fuck does anyone think that is a material change in the control of the club?

Seriously do you think Wolves fans spend their time worrying about who holds minority stakes in Fuson, or Liverpool fans in Fenway? The only important question is who has control, and is that control secure. Who sits on the club's board with their voting rights is the important thing, and the only director of the holding company is the only shareholder sitting on the club board so has 100% of the voting rights on that board.

But hey ... Feel free to construct your own bonkers conspiracy theories about  the whole thing and get yourselves all worked up for shits and giggles if that's what you need to fill your day.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:31:02
First things first, we as fans need to demand the actual answers or the Trust pull the advisory board and start distancing themselves.

Answer the questions we want answering properly or don't bother with it. No need for the charade any longer.

The Trust are utterly compromised from top to bottom.

They need to become a vehicle for the stadium alone.

Someone/something else needs to take this up, run by people who aren't impressed by Zav Austin paying for dinner with a wadge of £50 notes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:32:02
We’ve had JanAirplaneMan on here before assuring us Clem was the sole, 100% owner who is in it for the long haul.

I wonder how many of the new signings are associated with Standing’s agency - the one he stood down from.

Someone said Flynn himself is, I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:32:24
We’ve had JanAirplaneMan on here before assuring us Clem was the sole, 100% owner who is in it for the long haul.
Spencer may as well be Clem’s personal spokesman, I’m sure he’ll be on here before long to defend his beloved. It’s like he has a weird crush on Clem and can do no wrong and unfortunately that’s symptomatic of the Trust as a whole.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:33:49
Before everyone goes into meltdown about the involvement of the Paladorio family, and people Eddie might have represented in the past, it's worth saying that his involvement in advising the club is not surprising , he's one of the most high profile football lawyers in the UK, or any kind of a secret, he's been attending the advisory board since the first one in September 2021. His picture is on the club website at that meeting. And his wife's name is Bethany. 30 seconds on Google ffs.

As for Ms Kiely, I'm going to take a guess that she might be someone that Clem has got involved to provide some expertise on exploiting the commercial potential of the County Ground redevelopment as I think she's one of the Directors of GCW, who are a national firm of advisors on town centre commercial property.

Those are a couple of people I might want on board if I was trying to develop a  football club and ground for the first time. Ok putting the shares in the wife's name is a bit questionable but it might be as simple as EP needing to maintain some semblance of independence if he's going to continue to represent other football clients. My only issue with him is his involvement in the purchase, asset stripping and bankrupting of BHS that left 10000 or so out of work and fucked their pensions. Ok he wasn't the prime culprit or beneficiary but he was the legal advisor.

Anyway, they seem to hold shares in a holding company, which CM maintains an absolute controlling interest in. They're not listed as directors or officers of that company, let alone of the club. How the fuck does anyone think that is a material change in the control of the club?

Seriously do you think Wolves fans spend their time worrying about who holds minority stakes in Fuson, or Liverpool fans in Fenway? The only important question is who has control, and is that control secure. Who sits on the club's board with their voting rights is the important thing, and the only director of the holding company is the only shareholder sitting on the club board so has 100% of the voting rights on that board.

But hey ... Feel free to construct your own bonkers conspiracy theories about  the whole thing and get yourselves all worked up for shits and giggles if that's what you need to fill your day.


I don't think people have an issue with either Kiely or Paladorio having shares or being Directors though, I certainly don't. The issue people have is being continuously lied to and taken for fools with North Korean style explanations after the fact. The club would have had to have submitted the authorisation documents to Companies House for this which is arduous. This can't be an innocent mistake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:33:56
Before everyone goes into meltdown about the involvement of the Paladorio family, and people Eddie might have represented in the past, it's worth saying that his involvement in advising the club is not surprising , he's one of the most high profile football lawyers in the UK, or any kind of a secret, he's been attending the advisory board since the first one in September 2021. His picture is on the club website at that meeting. And his wife's name is Bethany. 30 seconds on Google ffs.

As for Ms Kiely, I'm going to take a guess that she might be someone that Clem has got involved to provide some expertise on exploiting the commercial potential of the County Ground redevelopment as I think she's one of the Directors of GCW, who are a national firm of advisors on town centre commercial property.

Those are a couple of people I might want on board if I was trying to develop a  football club and ground for the first time. Ok putting the shares in the wife's name is a bit questionable but it might be as simple as EP needing to maintain some semblance of independence if he's going to continue to represent other football clients. My only issue with him is his involvement in the purchase, asset stripping and bankrupting of BHS that left 10000 or so out of work and fucked their pensions. Ok he wasn't the prime culprit or beneficiary but he was the legal advisor.

Anyway, they seem to hold shares in a holding company, which CM maintains an absolute controlling interest in. They're not listed as directors or officers of that company, let alone of the club. How the fuck does anyone think that is a material change in the control of the club?

Seriously do you think Wolves fans spend their time worrying about who holds minority stakes in Fuson, or Liverpool fans in Fenway? The only important question is who has control, and is that control secure. Who sits on the club's board with their voting rights is the important thing, and the only director of the holding company is the only shareholder sitting on the club board so has 100% of the voting rights on that board.

But hey ... Feel free to construct your own bonkers conspiracy theories about  the whole thing and get yourselves all worked up for shits and giggles if that's what you need to fill your day.


All good points, but if all is benign why the backtracking quicker than an Italian army.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:34:26

But hey ... Feel free to construct your own bonkers conspiracy theories about  the whole thing and get yourselves all worked up for shits and giggles if that's what you need to fill your day.



Eh?  Pretty much the entire response has been to the fact the club said it never happened in the first place, not what the two people may or may not be doing with the business.  It was also mentioned, before the odd statement, that Eddie has been very publicly involved, so would be a a very valid reason for getting some shares.

You seem to have responded to a bunch of posts that haven't happened yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:35:35
So generously, this has clearly come as a surprise to the Trust and to Angus. The statement today is unimpressive, but it's not unfair that they might need a bit more time. People I trust trust Angus, so I expect him - and the Trust - to ask some serious questions in the next couple of days and update the record.
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Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:37:08
it was all an error anyway, so clearly they don't own shares.

and therein lies the problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:46:09
Before everyone goes into meltdown about the involvement of the Paladorio family, and people Eddie might have represented in the past, it's worth saying that his involvement in advising the club is not surprising , he's one of the most high profile football lawyers in the UK, or any kind of a secret, he's been attending the advisory board since the first one in September 2021. His picture is on the club website at that meeting. And his wife's name is Bethany. 30 seconds on Google ffs.

As for Ms Kiely, I'm going to take a guess that she might be someone that Clem has got involved to provide some expertise on exploiting the commercial potential of the County Ground redevelopment as I think she's one of the Directors of GCW, who are a national firm of advisors on town centre commercial property.

Those are a couple of people I might want on board if I was trying to develop a  football club and ground for the first time. Ok putting the shares in the wife's name is a bit questionable but it might be as simple as EP needing to maintain some semblance of independence if he's going to continue to represent other football clients. My only issue with him is his involvement in the purchase, asset stripping and bankrupting of BHS that left 10000 or so out of work and fucked their pensions. Ok he wasn't the prime culprit or beneficiary but he was the legal advisor.

Anyway, they seem to hold shares in a holding company, which CM maintains an absolute controlling interest in. They're not listed as directors or officers of that company, let alone of the club. How the fuck does anyone think that is a material change in the control of the club?

Seriously do you think Wolves fans spend their time worrying about who holds minority stakes in Fuson, or Liverpool fans in Fenway? The only important question is who has control, and is that control secure. Who sits on the club's board with their voting rights is the important thing, and the only director of the holding company is the only shareholder sitting on the club board so has 100% of the voting rights on that board.

But hey ... Feel free to construct your own bonkers conspiracy theories about  the whole thing and get yourselves all worked up for shits and giggles if that's what you need to fill your day.



The holding company owns the club, doesn't it?

Ok so they may not be the wives of the two people we think they are and it might just be one big coincidence they happen to have the same last names.....how about instead of lie to us and tell us its a companies house mistake, fill us in on who the fuck they are and show some of that open transparency the club apparently prides itself on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:46:43
it was all an error anyway, so clearly they don't own shares.

and therein lies the problem.

Well let us see how long it takes the company secretary ’who ever they are?’ To amend accordingly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:49:12
On the subject of dodgy characters, apparently Swindon’s most infamous fraudster and all round bellend who is not long out of prison was amongst the club officials last night! Don’t shoot the messenger

Zav hasn’t gone anywhere in terms of attending matches either, taking the guest of the club role very seriously!


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:50:19
On the subject of dodgy characters, apparently Swindon’s most infamous fraudster and all round bellend who is not long out of prison was amongst the club officials last night! Don’t shoot the messenger

Zav hasn’t gone anywhere in terms of attending matches either, taking the guest of the club role very seriously!

Same lad who Power sold the bit of land off for his cars?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:51:49
That’s the one


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:51:53
Chris Kiely racing directors


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:52:09
That’s the one

Ranford?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:52:40
At what point does Rob Angus walk? How can he sit by and stomach that statement? Does he believe that he can fix this shitshow? Are his family being held hostage?!

Curious to know the motivation at this stage. Never heard a bad word about him but he must surely see that this House of Cards will collapse eventually.



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:53:09
Ranford?
Yeah


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:55:45
At what point does Rob Angus walk? How can he sit by and stomach that statement? Does he believe that he can fix this shitshow? Are his family being held hostage?!


A rumour I heard is that he is only CEO in title now and that the guy from Axis is basically doing the role now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 20:57:27
Chris Kiely racing directors

Yep, not so sure that Holly Kiely, Associate Director at GCW that was mentioned is the same person.  Hollie is a Director with Chris on that business and a Property Management one (that seems to be for renting out a house or houses they own).

Which could all be absolutely fine by the way, we really have no clue, not least because it never happened.  Look in to my eyes........


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:02:59
Just spoke with the other half whose dealt with Confirmation Statements before and she categorically confirmed there is absolutely zero chance this can accidentally happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:03:09
That’s the one

Jesus wept.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:03:58
At what point does Rob Angus walk? How can he sit by and stomach that statement? Does he believe that he can fix this shitshow? Are his family being held hostage?!

Curious to know the motivation at this stage. Never heard a bad word about him but he must surely see that this House of Cards will collapse eventually.



Probably a good time to see what jobs need filling at Nationwide.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:04:08
The BHS angle is new to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/07/over-a-third-of-proceeds-from-84m-bhs-loan-went-to-four-directors

Mr Paladorio sounds like a gem. Glad he is on the Advisory Board. Fuck me, is there no end to this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:11:20
To be honest I can’t say I’m well informed on how these things work but I rang a friend who is to ask if there’s any chance of a mistake and he laughed down the phone at me


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:14:06
Quote from: Dr Pierre Chang
On the subject of dodgy characters, apparently Swindon’s most infamous fraudster and all round bellend who is not long out of prison was amongst the club officials last night! Don’t shoot the messenger

Ranford. Fucking hell.

I'd like to know what capacity. Could it be he's just bummed a ticket off (e.g) Xav?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:18:56
Ranford. Fucking hell.

I'd like to know what capacity. Could it be he's just bummed a ticket off (e.g) Xav?

Probably. I'd imagine they get on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:01:15
Probably. I'd imagine they get on.

FML. Parasitical.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:02:56
Didn’t listen in to the forum, but someone I know just posted that it was cut short.
Don’t know if it’s true or not


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:07:11
“So when it asked you if you wanted to watch Bangkok chick boys you accidentally clicked the button that said yes”

This is fucking absolute gold. I salute thee   :spoton: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:40:29
FML. Parasitical.

I saw that fucking cunt as I left. He’s one of the most disgusting human beings I’ve ever had the displeasure of meeting. Really hate that scumbag


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:45:22
I saw that fucking cunt as I left. He’s one of the most disgusting human beings I’ve ever had the displeasure of meeting. Really hate that scumbag

Was he in directors seats?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:55:41
Was he in directors seats?

No idea. This was Saturday as I was departing, he was leaving with his wife Paula, who he regularly beats up, about five minutes before full time.

Sorry if my directness about what I think of him is too blatant. But I really, really despise that man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 22:57:06
No idea. This was Saturday as I was departing, he was leaving with his wife Paula, who he regularly beats up, about five minutes before full time.

Sorry if my directness about what I think of him is too blatant. But I really, really despise that man.

As good friends we both do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 23:34:09
Would it be a good statement if RA distanced himself by offering to tender his resignation? Not because he's a bad guy...but because he probably needs to get out of this god awful sludge.

Maybe then he can realign solely with the Trust in some capacity...as an advisor maybe whilst simultaneously distancing himself from the current board.

I've always said that Clem employing the [former] head of the Trust, and a passionate fan of the club was a masterstroke of sorts in spin. Because everyone of course would listen to/be patient with/give more time/believe things that Angus would present to the masses, whilst metaphorically having a magnum pointed behind his back.

I'm neither smug nor basking in calling this in the first place but just saw the appointment for what it was.

I hope for his sake he can distance himself. Whether or not there are genuine mistakes [unlikely], there's way too many occurances of ineptitude and it's becomes somewhat damaging to RA's own reputation the longer he stays as an official ''ally'' of the current board.

One final thought...and I'm in no way a Power sympathiser but one thing sticks out for me. I remember during the ''power battle'' between Clem and Power for ownership - I can't remember whether it was in court or not when Power was trying to convince folk that Able were legit and genuine investors but he said something along the lines of [apologise this is a paraphrase and I can't be arsed to check right now]

'...I don't believe the funds sent by Axis is enough to competently run STFC...'.

That's possibly the closest thing to genuity that Lee Power ever really stated. It also seems like his assessment of that was and is unfortunately correct :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 03:22:19
Would it be a good statement if RA distanced himself by offering to tender his resignation? Not because he's a bad guy...but because he probably needs to get out of this god awful sludge.

Maybe then he can realign solely with the Trust in some capacity...as an advisor maybe whilst simultaneously distancing himself from the current board.

I've always said that Clem employing the [former] head of the Trust, and a passionate fan of the club was a masterstroke of sorts in spin. Because everyone of course would listen to/be patient with/give more time/believe things that Angus would present to the masses, whilst metaphorically having a magnum pointed behind his back.

I'm neither smug nor basking in calling this in the first place but just saw the appointment for what it was.

I hope for his sake he can distance himself. Whether or not there are genuine mistakes [unlikely], there's way too many occurances of ineptitude and it's becomes somewhat damaging to RA's own reputation the longer he stays as an official ''ally'' of the current board.

One final thought...and I'm in no way a Power sympathiser but one thing sticks out for me. I remember during the ''power battle'' between Clem and Power for ownership - I can't remember whether it was in court or not when Power was trying to convince folk that Able were legit and genuine investors but he said something along the lines of [apologise this is a paraphrase and I can't be arsed to check right now]

'...I don't believe the funds sent by Axis is enough to competently run STFC...'.

That's possibly the closest thing to genuity that Lee Power ever really stated. It also seems like his assessment of that was and is unfortunately correct :cry:
Ironically it probably would have been plenty had he not repeatedly arse raped, beaten and abused the club for years, before leaving the club for dead after one final drunken, rageful assault.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: DiV on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 03:23:45
Just caught up on all this. Fuck me, never simple with this club is it.
Will admit a lot of this stuff isn’t remotely aligned with my area of expertise…

However, a side from the all the obvious questions; why the fuck is the holding company called Swinton? Did whoever was the originator come from there? Or has someone just spelt Swindon wrong….which would just sum up the last god knows how many years of ownership to a tee


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 05:07:57
Also 7 to 10 years? Wasn't the plans to start the bank next year?

All sounding like Clem is full of hot air to me and its starting to run out.

Wasn’t the council sale and or Eady money conditional to development starting in two years from the sale completion? Or something like that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 06:09:14
Wasn’t the council sale and or Eady money conditional to development starting in two years from the sale completion? Or something like that?
Yes but I took it as 7-10 for full redevelopment of the ground not to start phase 1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 06:47:04
I’m no expert but isn’t it possible the shares was just in lieu of payment or something like that. I don’t think Rob should resign, that would be ridiculous. Do people want the club to blow up or something? Let’s wait and see what is said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:04:57
Nothing of note from the Trust on this last night other than the odd vague reply on Twitter.

Why don’t they ever come out with something with a bit of guts? We’ve had the explanatory statement from STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:05:52
I’m no expert but isn’t it possible the shares was just in lieu of payment or something like that. I don’t think Rob should resign, that would be ridiculous. Do people want the club to blow up or something? Let’s wait and see what is said.
Absolutely possible and if that's the case, then that's fine Clem is allowed to do what he wants with those shares. But that's not the problem. It's the not being transparent about it, using fluffy excuses that are simply untrue taking fans for fools and possibly opening us up to another dispute about who owns what shares.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:07:41
Have we already seen what was said? And it was a steaming pile of bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:44:35
So... who is our actual owner? Clem or Standing or someone else?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:44:59
I’m no expert but isn’t it possible the shares was just in lieu of payment or something like that. I don’t think Rob should resign, that would be ridiculous. Do people want the club to blow up or something? Let’s wait and see what is said.

Its been said. They lied. Clearly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:45:44
So... who is our actual owner? Clem or Standing or someone else?

Clem 80%, couple of birds with surnames similar of his mate Chris Kiely and his lawyer 20%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:49:44
Anybody recognise themselves😁

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23728149.swindon-town-fans-forum-summer-2023-happened/



Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 07:50:23
Time to give Able a bell


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:03:51
I’m no expert but isn’t it possible the shares was just in lieu of payment or something like that. I don’t think Rob should resign, that would be ridiculous. Do people want the club to blow up or something? Let’s wait and see what is said.

I hardly think if Rob Angus was to resign the club would 'blow up'. He now appears to be somewhere between a puppet and some kind of pious being amongst our fan base. It's pretty staggering, but sadly not altogether surprising that we are having this conversation 24 hours after a superb away win. Like many others i'm no expert on the 'share transfer issue' but my thoughts on the whole scenario are, like others clouded in mystery.

* The fans forum - This was postponed to allow Clem to participate initially. But then announced that Clem wasn't going to take part. Given what's happened during his tenure surely the least he can do is put aside 1/2/3 hours of his time, even if it has to be via a video feed. I appreciate he's a busy man running a global business and owning a football club, but if he and his team want fans to go out and add to the 5k season tickets to bring in (what seems to be) much needed income, then the least he can do is put his head above the parapet on a once a year fans forum?

* The share issue - as stated like many ofther fans, I don't know the ins and outs of this, but it was only about a month ago that the Axis liquidation appeared online and quickly spread like wildfire. The Trust, Clem and the club quickly put out a statement explaining the situation and this was put to bed. The fans seemed to react positively to this, it was good that we could hear from Clem and it appeared to smooth over any doubts. Given that episode, surely someone at the club knew that this share transfer was going to come out into the public (the legal team at the club had to have known the timeline as well) before the fans forum and it was likely to blow up. They must have had time to come up with something even passing off as remotely believable. To come out and say it was done accidentally is pure 'dog ate my homework' stuff. If they needed time to put something credible out, why not say that this is an internal matter and a statement clarifying the position will be made within the next few days and we won't be answering any questions about it. I get there would still have been scorn had this been done but to come out and say it was done by accident? Just makes everyone look very very stupid and highly untrustworthy.

* open and honest mantra - This is surely kaput now sadly. Clem taking over gave the club a chance to bring in the massive fuck off proverbial sweeping brush and make a fresh start. The fact is, there are just too many hangers on from the previous ownership for that to happen. The pulling pints in a bucket hat and driving a van around the town is great PR, but when you dig beneath the surface, pushing aside the delicious topping, there are things underneath that should not be there and continue to be there, despite the fact people know they shouldn't be there. People trusted Clem, he's likeable, he appears to love the club. Is that just a cover? I dunno, but the honeymoon looks to be well and truly over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: 4D on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:06:18
Perhaps the title of this thread needs updating  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:06:46
Anyone got a ouija board, maybe Bill Power can come in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:07:15
Anybody recognise themselves😁

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23728149.swindon-town-fans-forum-summer-2023-happened/



Nice to see Dele Alli (back left)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start/Murky beginnings
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:08:22
Perhaps the title of this thread needs updating  ::)

How about that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:13:12
Perhaps the title of this thread needs updating  ::)

Full of hope - let down


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:17:50
They must have had time to come up with something even passing off as remotely believable. To come out and say it was done accidentally is pure 'dog ate my homework' stuff. If they needed time to put something credible out, why not say that this is an internal matter and a statement clarifying the position will be made within the next few days and we won't be answering any questions about it.

I think the timing of the fans forum has done us all a favour here. They probably rushed to answer as they had to and now we realise they are undoubtedly lying to us.

Had they come up with something semi credible most would believe it as confirmation bias of what they want to believe even if a lot of people could tell it reads like your leg being pissed down and being told its raining.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start/Murky beginnings
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:18:16
How about that?

Could go with “New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:20:39
Could go with “New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks”

Done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:21:09
 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:24:03
I think the timing of the fans forum has done us all a favour here. They probably rushed to answer as they had to and now we realise they are undoubtedly lying to us.

Had they come up with something semi credible most would believe it as confirmation bias of what they want to believe even if a lot of people could tell it reads like your leg being pissed down and being told its raining.

I mean absolutely. A lot of the time it's conspiracy corner in social media land so whatever they said would be twisted to suit agendas. Even the god's honest truth would be difficult to believe, so in some ways they are between a rock and a hard place.

A lie is a lie is a lie at the end of the day. But the've picked possibly the worst one?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:24:20
Could go with “New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks”

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start/Murky beginnings
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:24:54
Thinking about it more I was told that both Standing & Kiely had leant/given Clem money to run the club.
I wonder if the signed transfer of shares was done as a form of guarantee that the money would be paid back, and it was one of the those parties that sent it through (hence the done in error).

However, the close ranks & don’t mention it just makes it look very dodgy.

Once you go down the route of half truths & cover ups then any trust you have is being eroded.

As for the Trust, they can’t do anything about things they don’t know about, however now they do know they need to ask those questions and get to the Truth


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:25:45
I want another statement saying we cant buy anyone due to a debt from 1957

Those were the days


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:27:39

As for the Trust, they can’t do anything about things they don’t know about, however now they do know they need to ask those questions and get to the Truth

The Trust have already clearly backed the Clem horse. They completed their 'due diligence' and were happy to say he's 100% kosher. They are in a really difficult place, one they possibly can't get out of now they've made their bed. I guess they are currently lying in it, with a pang of regret with the stale breath taste of truth serum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:33:30
The Trust have already clearly backed the Clem horse. They completed their 'due diligence' and were happy to say he's 100% kosher. They are in a really difficult place, one they possibly can't get out of now they've made their bed. I guess they are currently lying in it, with a pang of regret with the stale breath taste of truth serum.

I think we need to be careful about what we consider the trust. The trust board as it was that backed Clem a couple of years ago has replaced maybe 70% of its board members. Sure the 3 or 4 trust faces that are regularly seen are still there, but i'm pretty sure people on that board will be pressing and asking the same questions the general fan base is. Its not just a yes man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:34:35
And this is where we are at now with this club. No matter what the club do or say now none of us will believe because of the 2 years of nonsense.

I still believe Clems intentions are the right ones, he was owed a lot of money and will want that back, I think the only possible way was to get the help of others

Just my opinions of course and not fact but either way it’s a fucking mess and a proper statement is needed and a line drawn under it. Lay it out for what it is and let the fans decide if they want to continue to support, they’d be suprised I think


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:37:28
And this is where we are at now with this club. No matter what the club do or say now none of us will believe because of the 2 years of nonsense.

I still believe Clems intentions are the right ones, he was owed a lot of money and will want that back, I think the only possible way was to get the help of others

Just my opinions of course and not fact but either way it’s a fucking mess and a proper statement is needed and a line drawn under it. Lay it out for what it is and let the fans decide if they want to continue to support, they’d be suprised I think

I really really want this to be true also. I like Clem as a person from what I have heard, read etc. He's put a lot of money behind it seemingly and for what? Too many greedy parasites around wanting their pound of flesh, that he's having a real hard time getting rid of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:38:21
Is much going to change until we have this court case that's been dragging on? Is this likely to happen this year do we know?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:39:59
Something that just occurred to me about the wording of the statement... "100% the owner of the football club" is not neccessarily "The owner of 100% of the football club" - technically you could be the owner with 50.1% of the shares... and indeed, lots of our previous owners have - I don't think Seton Wills ever owned 100% as there were small fan shareholdings then before Fitton killed them all.

(Clem, if you want me to do your PR, I charge very reasonable rates and am happy to be paid in Swinton Reds shares)


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:40:05
Yes but I took it as 7-10 for full redevelopment of the ground not to start phase 1.

Right, though I suppose the interpretation of ‘development’ is going to be key. And by the sound of the new investors their CV’s  could well be key in demonstrating that having plans drawn up counts as starting or some such hot air.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:41:50
I really really want this to be true also. I like Clem as a person from what I have heard, read etc. He's put a lot of money behind it seemingly and for what? Too many greedy parasites around wanting their pound of flesh, that he's having a real hard time getting rid of.

Agree. It would be much easier and nicer to believe this, but when you're being lied to its pretty impossible to do so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:54:35
I think they've proper fucked it this tone DMC .

a frank ** for example ** "I brought them on board temporarily for funding purposes" "**

or "it really was a mistake"

same thing really. first one he will get slapped for lying. Second one he'll get slated for BS.

fucks sake


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 08:57:17
Quote from: DiV

However, a side from the all the obvious questions; why the fuck is the holding company called Swinton?

I don't recall the reason, but it's certainly historic from  the time of Jed oirc. If that's right, could be he spelt Swindon wrong 😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:01:09
Swindone


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:06:37
I don't recall the reason, but it's certainly historic from  the time of Jed oirc. If that's right, could be he spelt Swindon wrong 😁

Given how many variations of spelling his last name appeared online, that does not surprise me at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:16:09
Has anyone emailed or contacted the Trust yet to air their concerns? If enough of us got in contact, could well end up needing to be discussed by them like how a petition works in Parliament etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:19:14
I do genuinely believe Clem has the best interests of the club at heart, but in order to get the club he surrounded himself with absolute vultures and that is really hurting everyone involved.

The whole "oh yeah, accident" card can only be played so many times and it's already overused. Trust really need to push them on this, and if they can't, we need a Trust for the Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:36:37
Little did Clem know that the fanbase was actually Mystery Incorporated.
And he would have gotten away with it without you medlin kids....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:36:39
For what it's worth, I've heard there is a statement coming from the club about this.

Which is of course the least they can do.

For someone who pays into the trust, albeit a small amount, I'm watching their involvement with interest.
If they're losing "trust" with their own supporters and contributors, they're not likely to get fans putting any money into the ground ventures (which sounds a ludicrous) when that's when the fans will be needed most.





Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:41:29
And he would have gotten away with it without you medlin kids....

He doesn't sound like he has a scooby doo what he is doing, to be fair.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:47:32
Has anyone emailed or contacted the Trust yet to air their concerns? If enough of us got in contact, could well end up needing to be discussed by them like how a petition works in Parliament etc

I emailed the Trust with the questions in this earlier post here (https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=58890.msg1755588#msg1755588) for the Advisory Board, and got back an email confirming they'd been received pretty quickly - that was before the Fans Forum last night. The response said the Trust were also looking to clarify themselves. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:48:54
I appreciate why so many people wanted to believe in Clem after Power but this was all so blindingly obviously shady from day one.

I simply don't understand why the Trust went all in on this. They had no reason to that I can understand.

Sure, Clem was likely the only game in town in terms of a quick takeover that could save the club ahead of the new season but they could and should have maintained a neutral position. Instead, they went in up to their eyeballs. Why?

As I've said before, this regime were not shy in putting Zav Austin's involvement out there. We had that insane statement about him being attacked very early on! Then there was that vomit inducing piece about how a Trust member wanted to buy him a pint. There was plenty to be found out or at least be suspicious about him from a cursory glance on the web, and yet the Trust seemingly didn't even bother to do that. When the red flags mounted up they put out some guff about how they had done their due diligence on him. Really?

The whole Vice Chairman debacle was risible. He was NEVER going to pass a FPP test, ever. The Trust must have known this. Yet they seemingly went along with it.

We've had the Karachi caper, with a literally made up football club, and Zav schmoozing in Government photographs on Whitehall, despite no longer "being involved."

There have been constant rumours of Standing's involvement and yet we are told that Clem is the 100% owner, or 100% the owner... nuanced!

This latest Companies House shitshow is the cherry on top. The lies are barefaced and brazen.

Now it may be that behind the scenes, Aberdeen and the Trust are fighting an extraordinary battle against the forces of darkness, but none of the above leads me to believe that that is the case. Isn't it time that the Trust was open and transparent, especially if the club won't be? There is nothing wrong in admitting you've made a mistake. Their job isn't to have access, so if they lose it then so be it. In a way, they can't lose access as they are joint owners of the ground, so perhaps now they can take a stand?

Apologies for the ramble but if you look at this sorry tale of bullshit from start to finish and still can't see that something is rotten then there is no hope!

I guess the question is, what would anything achieve? The FA will be all over this when the Power case eventually gets decided. Maybe we just turn a blind eye and enjoy the football before that eventual guillotine comes slamming down on our neck. Either way, the events of yesterday were grist to the FA mill.


Edit - I haven't even mentioned Kiely and Adam Hart's accidental job descriptions... and I'm sure plenty more gems from the last 24 months. It really is endless!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 09:49:32
I emailed the Trust with the questions in this earlier post here (https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=58890.msg1755588#msg1755588) for the Advisory Board, and got back an email confirming they'd been received pretty quickly - that was before the Fans Forum last night. The response said the Trust were also looking to clarify themselves. 
Cheers Nemo. Will give the Trust time to clarify themselves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:01:53
I appreciate why so many people wanted to believe in Clem after Power but this was all so blindingly obviously shady from day one.

I simply don't understand why the Trust went all in on this. They had no reason to that I can understand.

Sure, Clem was likely the only game in town in terms of a quick takeover that could save the club ahead of the new season but they could and should have maintained a neutral position. Instead, they went in up to their eyeballs. Why?

As I've said before, this regime were not shy in putting Zav Austin's involvement out there. We had that insane statement about him being attacked very early on! Then there was that vomit inducing piece about how a Trust member wanted to buy him a pint. There was plenty to be found out or at least be suspicious about him from a cursory glance on the web, and yet the Trust seemingly didn't even bother to do that. When the red flags mounted up they put out some guff about how they had done their due diligence on him. Really?

The whole Vice Chairman debacle was risible. He was NEVER going to pass a FPP test, ever. The Trust must have known this. Yet they seemingly went along with it.

We've had the Karachi caper, with a literally made up football club, and Zav schmoozing in Government photographs on Whitehall, despite no longer "being involved."

There have been constant rumours of Standing's involvement and yet we are told that Clem is the 100% owner, or 100% the owner... nuanced!

This latest Companies House shitshow is the cherry on top. The lies are barefaced and brazen.

Now it may be that behind the scenes, Aberdeen and the Trust are fighting an extraordinary battle against the forces of darkness, but none of the above leads me to believe that that is the case. Isn't it time that the Trust was open and transparent, especially if the club won't be? There is nothing wrong in admitting you've made a mistake. Their job isn't to have access, so if they lose it then so be it. In a way, they can't lose access as they are joint owners of the ground, so perhaps now they can take a stand?

Apologies for the ramble but if you look at this sorry tale of bullshit from start to finish and still can't see that something is rotten then there is no hope!

I guess the question is, what would anything achieve? The FA will be all over this when the Power case eventually gets decided. Maybe we just turn a blind eye and enjoy the football before that eventual guillotine comes slamming down on our neck. Either way, the events of yesterday were grist to the FA mill.

Missing the Adam Hart/MTK Global gangsters hanging around as well!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:01:59
I simply don't understand why the Trust went all in on this. They had no reason to that I can understand.

Sure, Clem was likely the only game in town in terms of a quick takeover that could save the club ahead of the new season but they could and should have maintained a neutral position. Instead, they went in up to their eyeballs. Why?

I'm really not happy with a lot of things about the current ownership, but I think this is deeply unfair - Clem is clearly not perfect and there are many questions to answer, but he's a world away from late stage Power. Whatever bad stuff has happened, the club has stabilised a bit, and - more importantly than anything else - we've purchased the ground with a strong element of fan control/ownership. That would not have happened under Power as the Eady Trust weren't going to give him anything. Of the two options we had at the time (assuming Able = Power), Clem was the right one even in hindsight.

That doesn't mean that no criticism is valid now, and no questions should be asked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:03:20
Missing the Adam Hart/MTK Global gangsters hanging around as well!
MTK Global?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:05:03
MTK Global?

That is who he is mates with. All part of the cocaine trade. There was even a boxer going round with a Swindon training jacket with MTK Global on it at one point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:07:49
I'm really not happy with a lot of things about the current ownership, but I think this is deeply unfair - Clem is clearly not perfect and there are many questions to answer, but he's a world away from late stage Power. Whatever bad stuff has happened, the club has stabilised a bit, and - more importantly than anything else - we've purchased the ground with a strong element of fan control/ownership. That would not have happened under Power as the Eady Trust weren't going to give him anything. Of the two options we had at the time (assuming Able = Power), Clem was the right one even in hindsight.

That doesn't mean that no criticism is valid now, and no questions should be asked.

Don't disagree with that. I'm just asking why, rather than cautiously backing him, they became his #1 cheerleaders. That's all I've asked, which doesn't feel wildly unfair.

And I agree, some good things have happened under Clem. It really isn't all bad. More than anything my main issues are:

The Trust's lack of independence/cosiness with the regime.

Undesirables at the top table.

Clem having made a rod for his own back by trumpeting his openness and transparency, when the circumstances of his ownership seemingly made that impossible to fulfil.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:12:25
(https://www.britishboxingnews.co.uk/uploads/blog/.thumbs/liam-wells-tracksuit_50ce27.jpg)

Liam Wells, who is trained by Adam Hart, hence why he had a Swindon Town jacket lying around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:14:22
This whole debacle is all the more painful after the limbs on the terrace at FGR 36 hours ago.  :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:38:01
Trust statement: https://truststfc.com/2023/08/17/truststfc-statement-regarding-ownership-of-swindon-town-football-club/

Along with others in the fan community, TrustSTFC became aware via Companies House notifications of a confirmation statement for the holding company of Swindon Town Football Club, which indicated that shares had been allocated to two individuals.

Last night, Rob Angus made a statement at the Fans Forum regarding this notification where he said “we were made aware  this morning via Companies House that there was a confirmation statement update on the ownership structure of Axis Football Investments Limited of Swindon Town Football Club.”

Rob continued “It’s something that we became aware of at the same time you did. We have spoken to Clem about it and he believes that the statement has been filed in error. He has confirmed to us that he is the 100% owner of the football club and a corrective confirmation statement will be submitted as soon as possible.”

In our role to represent the fans, and being individual fans ourselves, we are concerned by the notification submitted to Companies House. Clem has repeatedly confirmed to us that he is 100% owner of the Football Club during his ownership and we are seeking clarification from the club to understand how this error has occurred.

We are also requesting that the Club provides this clarification in an open and transparent manner, as soon as possible, for all fans to understand what is happening with our football club.

TrustSTFC Board



-


Not saying much at this stage but at least acknowledging the concern.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:39:40
Fair enough, I suppose. Can’t see how Clem can spin it, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:41:01
Can’t ask for much more than that from the Trust at this stage. Fair play.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:41:22
That's a good step.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:41:58
Fair enough. More punchy than we've seen. A good step.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:45:19
I'm guessing it's more ''punchy'' than usual is bc they may have realised they've been taken in....now it's the clubs turn...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:45:46
My only slight eyebrow raise at that is the Angus quote (which is from the Fans Forum not new) saying that there "was a confirmation statement update on the ownership structure of Axis Football Investments Limited of Swindon Town Football Club"

This isn't the case, Axis Football Investments is a totally separate company for which no confirmation statements have been published recently https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11097652/filing-history - it's a company with one share, and Clem owns that share personally.

Swinton Reds is the company that has a confirmation statement - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08462753/filing-history

Axis Football Investments owns 80% (previously 100%) of Swinton Reds. Swinton Reds 100% owns Seebeck 87 (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08323017/filing-history) which 100% owns the football club. Simple as... I think it's probably just a sentence that oversimplifies the company structure, but worth keeping an eye on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 10:46:45
My only slight eyebrow raise at that is the Angus quote (which is from the Fans Forum not new) saying that there "was a confirmation statement update on the ownership structure of Axis Football Investments Limited of Swindon Town Football Club"

This isn't the case, Axis Football Investments is a totally separate company for which no confirmation statements have been published recently https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11097652/filing-history - it's a company with one share, and Clem owns that share personally.

Swinton Reds is the company that has a confirmation statement - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08462753/filing-history

Axis Football Investments owns 80% (previously 100%) of Swinton Reds. Swinton Reds owns Seebeck 87 which owns the football club. Simple as...




Yes, I wondered that...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:06:53
They're gonna try and say Rob was confused and said the wrong thing aren't they.

Sounds like-

STFC owned 100% by Seebeck

Seebeck owned 100% by Swinton

Swinton owned 80% by Axis Football Investments.


Clem is 100% owner of Axia Football Investments that's correct, not 100% owner of the football club.







Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:12:59
Yes but I took it as 7-10 for full redevelopment of the ground not to start phase 1.

Given they stated it was going to take 7-10 years for full redevelopment of the plan, I assume there must be some plans in place for all this to happen. I know Horlock knows more about timescales etc and red tape but i'd imagine we'd be close to getting some kind of architects drawings, or other such things that happen in any ground redevelopment?

I can see this going the way of the training complex/Lee Power's horse stables.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:17:16
I'm really not happy with a lot of things about the current ownership, but I think this is deeply unfair - Clem is clearly not perfect and there are many questions to answer, but he's a world away from late stage Power. Whatever bad stuff has happened, the club has stabilised a bit, and - more importantly than anything else - we've purchased the ground with a strong element of fan control/ownership. That would not have happened under Power as the Eady Trust weren't going to give him anything. Of the two options we had at the time (assuming Able = Power), Clem was the right one even in hindsight.

That doesn't mean that no criticism is valid now, and no questions should be asked.
100 percent this. He was fucked over himself by the previous owners. My feeling is that he was promised a way to get his money back off Power and this is how it has ended. There is nothing in Clems previous or current away from this club that suggests he has been dodgy and the fact the club under his ownership financially are not a drain as such anymore helps. I do wonder though if he wishes he had just written off the debt now and left us to deal with it . By that i think he has probably been taken in by a few as well, no suprise he has not been over in a while and i can't blame him.

Not a defence by the way just what i think has happened, it would be great though if a statement came out saying basically look the only way i could get the club was through help of these people and until we sell they are here to stay


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:22:57
They're gonna try and say Rob was confused and said the wrong thing aren't they.

Sounds like-

STFC owned 100% by Seebeck

Seebeck owned 100% by Swinton

Swinton owned 80% by Axis Football Investments.


Clem is 100% owner of Axia Football Investments that's correct, not 100% owner of the football club.







They cant spin that, it has always been said Clem is 100% owner of stfc - companies house is now saying different

Rob was not reading from a prepared statement last night but as CEO you would like to think he would know what he is talking about, so if he is saying clem owns 100% then we need to take that on trust and for Clem & Rob to provide that proof and explain why CH says differently - and how this was filed at CH and by who, and I have no interest in Clem appearing on one of these friendly podcasts to explain it, I want it in black and white.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:23:40
I think it's going to be interesting to see how this error gets handled.
From a googles - share's could be transferred in error but would likely be career or at least trust (not a pun) ending as the keys to the companies house vault are held by a nominated individual
https://www.yourcompanyformations.co.uk/blog/how-to-change-shareholders-at-companies-house/#:~:text=And%20when%20it%20comes%20to,one%20month%20of%20the%20allotment.

The prospective members have to deliver a letter of application to the company, and the board of directors (or members, if required by the articles) must give their approval of the allotment and record it in the register of members. And when it comes to the question of how to change shareholders at Companies House, in order to issue new shares, you have to fill out Companies House Form SH01 “Return of allotment”; subsequently this must be submitted to Companies House within one month of the allotment.

Mistyping a number is a mistake, this seems more complicated a scenario


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:33:51
Anybody recognise themselves😁

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23728149.swindon-town-fans-forum-summer-2023-happened/



Whoever the dude is in the jazzy shirt...if you post on here then I'm a big fan  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:34:49
I am by no means equating Power and Clem but one thing I will say is the “the club have said this so it has to be believed” mantra is what let Power get away with what he was doing for so long that it nearly killed the club.

I don’t think we’re in any position as fans after the past few years to blindly believe things the club says. That’s not to say we should go tin foil hat on everything and look to poke holes for fun but for big things like this, I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t take what the club say at face value and tries to find other evidence to back it up/contradict it.

Trust in what the club say would be amazing but unfortunately there’s too many murky/contradictory statements and back tracking going on to do so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:35:47
On the basis that this can't be a mistake (in the sense of: whoops, we didn't mean to do that) what are the possible scenarios here?

That they meant to transfer shares in a different company and did Swinton by mistake? Seems unlikely.

That someone has gone rogue and done this behind Clem's back..? Is that possible?

That they didn't think anyone would find out? In which case they are really stupid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:38:54
Whoever the dude is in the jazzy shirt...if you post on here then I'm a big fan  :)

They've all gone a little shy there must be at least on who post on here😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:39:06
They cant spin that, it has always been said Clem is 100% owner of stfc - companies house is now saying different

Rob was not reading from a prepared statement last night but as CEO you would like to think he would know what he is talking about, so if he is saying clem owns 100% then we need to take that on trust and for Clem & Rob to provide that proof and explain why CH says differently - and how this was filed at CH and by who, and I have no interest in Clem appearing on one of these friendly podcasts to explain it, I want it in black and white.


Mate I agree entirely. I can just envisage that's what will happen and a sizeable chunk of the fanbase will vehemently defend that as the pure truth and call anyone doubting it a 'so called fan'.

There no fucking way on God's green earth that got filed in error, they may even go and reverse it to save face and go back to whatever gentlemens agreement was in place before, but it was intentional and clear proof Clem isn't sole owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:42:39
Already seen some mouth breathing bootlickers on Facebook making fun of people because obviously they are so much smarter than anyone else.

Absolute clowns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:47:53
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/karachi-visit-on-the-horizon-for-academy-coach-and-vice-chairman/

Just to change tack and highlight last night's reverse ferret again. Here's a post about "our thriving academy" posted on the club's official website... this year. But hey, we never had anything to do with that. [Waves hand] This is not the Academy you are looking for!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:51:29
While this is a complete fuck up and looks rubbish, the club is in a much better state than it has been for a long time.

It does dent confidence in Clem but let's not forget that he has invested a lot of money, helped secure the ground, paying off debt. If he had sold a small stake then I would be too bothered but the 'mistake' does need explaining.

The over the top drama on here is ridiculous though, do you want another chancer like Power or Jed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:53:43

That they meant to transfer shares in a different company and did Swinton by mistake? Seems unlikely.


No doubt this will lead to my being labelled a lick boot happy clapper (and probably a snowflake and woke for good effect), but from personal experience this actually happens when you have accountants/lawyers acting for a client over several different companies/subsidiaries etc and a message gets lost in translation, no idea if its the case in this example but it does happen.

Just a wider observation, there has been a huge amount of traffic on SM over the last 24 hours regarding Clem being dodgy and things being crap, the Trust being useless and their position untenable etc, so what is the plan to move forward from this then?

When Diamond Mike was involved and things got shit, quite a few of the fan base (including a fair few on here) got their arses in gear and a group was formed to formally put pressure on beyond the interweb, is something like that bubbling away in the background now that people can get behind to force change for the good of the club, first obvious approach would be a boycott of games no merchandise etc?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 11:54:05
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/january/karachi-visit-on-the-horizon-for-academy-coach-and-vice-chairman/

Just to change tack and highlight last night's reverse ferret again. Here's a post about "our thriving academy" posted on the club's official website... this year. But hey, we never had anything to do with that. [Waves hand] This is not the Academy you are looking for!

There is only so much veneer needed - once the official stamps are all in place and the "scheme" is up and running, you are then handing off to the immigration Administration complex (a beast) that will look at the paperwork and not so much the training ground.

While my process to the USA is clearly different as it is the US Immigration service at play, the process was a pure Admin grind.  Go here, sign this, fill in this form, pay this fee, and then a final "interview" which was at a type of post office window with a woman who asked we my name, who I worked for, what my job was and who were the people applying with me........approved and stamped, see you in the USA soon.

I'd imagine they have reached that stage now - process largely in place, groundwork completed to make it all above board in a legal sense.  Now someone just has to grease the palms to be identified as the right talent to apply for the scholarship and accompanying Visa.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:03:23
No doubt this will lead to my being labelled a lick boot happy clapper (and probably a snowflake and woke for good effect), but from personal experience this actually happens when you have accountants/lawyers acting for a client over several different companies/subsidiaries etc and a message gets lost in translation, no idea if its the case in this example but it does happen.

Just a wider observation, there has been a huge amount of traffic on SM over the last 24 hours regarding Clem being dodgy and things being crap, the Trust being useless and their position untenable etc, so what is the plan to move forward from this then?

When Diamond Mike was involved and things got shit, quite a few of the fan base (including a fair few on here) got their arses in gear and a group was formed to formally put pressure on beyond the interweb, is something like that bubbling away in the background now that people can get behind to force change for the good of the club, first obvious approach would be a boycott of games no merchandise etc?

You see, I think there maybe a handful in the camp you describe - clear the decks types.

However, I think most would actually be absolutely OK with the potential mystery situation described as being public and just the way things are.  If Clem had come out and said - "It's been a struggle, I'm OK financially, but not a person with pockets deep enough to fund a football club for five years and I need help.  That could be people investing money in return for shares or even investing expertise for shares, either way, it's going to take a Village.  And yes, some of those people are the same ones who were around before, because they, like me, were also stitched up and owed something"

Then take the necessary legal actions to get that all in place.

I think that would have flown.  Some may grind their gears on the names, but you can sort of understand it all.

I'm with Dean - I think Clem himself is OK.  I think he was sold an opportunity for his business and the glamour of football at the same time.  He got stitched up, he was probably tapped up by those who decided Power had to go and he become the front man.  He knows those types because of the industry he works in.  He has to ensure they all get their return from this and he may well need some money to add to his.   I have no issue with that - I'd wish we had someone to just pay them all to fuck off, but it seems we don't.

How this impacts the club - well, two years in this fucking Division without promotion is what you get.  A mix of well intentioned operations and some ethically grey schemes.  A team not funded as well as it maybe could/should be, but not left to rot because they realise the goose that lays their golden egg is coming (the ground).

Something like that.

I just wish they grew some fucking balls and fronted up.  Laid it all out, and showed us the plan.  If we are robbing a bank together, lets all at least agree on it and figure out what we need to do on the job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:07:08
MTK Global?

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/mtk-global-boxing-management-company-ceasing-operations-after-co-founder-and-alleged-crime-boss-daniel-kinahan-sanctioned-12594490

As for Morfuni, If you think what’s going on is a mistake or normal, then you keep thinking that. It’s virtually impossible for this to be a mistake. Fully expect them to try and rescind/withdraw the shares though so it all looks above board, then a classic off the books handshake deal for the necessary parties to get the brown envelopes.

Said it yesterday, Swindon Town fan Rob Angus and Owner Morfuni have been lying to the fans for nearly a year. They’ve been spouting at Kiely is just a contractor offering data. Turns out he’s alot more than that. They can’t be trusted, simple as that, countless fuck ups and miscommunications before yesterday (albeit this new, or not so new,case appearing to be much more serious) how many more do you keep accepting? Waiting for the Trust now, that statement for now is fine but for me as a paying member,  a good start would be for them  to completely distance themselves from these monthly  custard cream coffee mornings with friends - seeing as they’ve been lying through back teeth in them for nearly a year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:09:45
You see, I think there maybe a handful in the camp you describe - clear the decks types.

However, I think most would actually be absolutely OK with the potential mystery situation described as being public and just the way things are.  If Clem had come out and said - "It's been a struggle, I'm OK financially, but not a person with pockets deep enough to fund a football club for five years and I need help.  That could be people investing money in return for shares or even investing expertise for shares, either way, it's going to take a Village.  And yes, some of those people are the same ones who were around before, because they, like me, were also stitched up and owed something"

Then take the necessary legal actions to get that all in place.

I think that would have flown.  Some may grind their gears on the names, but you can sort of understand it all.

I'm with Dean - I think Clem himself is OK.  I think he was sold an opportunity for his business and the glamour of football at the same time.  He got stitched up, he was probably tapped up by those who decided Power had to go and he become the front man.  He knows those types because of the industry he works in.  He has to ensure they all get their return from this and he may well need some money to add to his.   I have no issue with that - I'd wish we had someone to just pay them all to fuck off, but it seems we don't.

How this impacts the club - well, two years in this fucking Division without promotion is what you get.  A mix of well intentioned operations and some ethically grey schemes.  A team not funded as well as it maybe could/should be, but not left to rot because they realise the goose that lays their golden egg is coming (the ground).

Something like that.

I just wish they grew some fucking balls and fronted up.  Laid it all out, and showed us the plan.  If we are robbing a bank together, lets all at least agree on it and figure out what we need to do on the job.

Very well put. The deception is the issue here. Post Power I'm sure most fans would have had little issue holding their noses at some of the people involved if it had been laid out this way.

It is always the cover up that gets you in the end.

Couple that with anger at the Trust for how they have approached it and a degree of PTSD from Jed and Power, even Diamandis, and you have the toxic situation we find ourselves in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:16:25
I'm with Dean - I think Clem himself is OK.  I think he was sold an opportunity for his business and the glamour of football at the same time.  He got stitched up, he was probably tapped up by those who decided Power had to go and he become the front man.  He knows those types because of the industry he works in.  He has to ensure they all get their return from this and he may well need some money to add to his.   I have no issue with that - I'd wish we had someone to just pay them all to fuck off, but it seems we don't.
I agree with all of your post but just wanted to clarify my memory with others and offer a slight additional motive - Clem was already an investor in town so during the Power era, so may have also been trying to recoup his investment?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:17:36
You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to believe both the misprint story of Chris Kiely being a director and this error explanation for companies house, which both happened around the same time.

Anyone reading this that does, would you like to buy a bridge?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:18:48
I agree with all of your post but just wanted to clarify my memory with others and offer a slight additional motive - Clem was already an investor in town so during the Power era, so may have also been trying to recoup his investment?

That was the time I was referring to, when he chucked 1.6m into the club under Power.  My assumption is he knew some of the hangers on from his business and they were scouting for people with money to keep the gig going.  He got sold on that idea - good for business and sexy as fuck being in football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:21:18
So, why did Clem allegedly go down the silent partners route? Because Standing legally couldn't be involved? I don't see why Kiely, Hart, Zav, Mr BHS pension fund et al weren't able to have a publicly acknowledged shareholding if required.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:21:26
That was the time I was referring to, when he chucked 1.6m into the club under Power.  My assumption is he knew some of the hangers on from his business and they were scouting for people with money to keep the gig going.  He got sold on that idea - good for business and sexy as fuck being in football.
Then we are in total agreement. A first on the internet, congrats us


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:25:31
So, why did Clem allegedly go down the silent partners route? Because Standing legally couldn't be involved? I don't see why Kiely, Hart, Zav, Mr BHS pension fund et al weren't able to have a publicly acknowledged shareholding if required.


My assumption is they were all pressing for a frontman.  Power was more than willing in his days - loved being at the centre and showing his footballing know how to the world.  Knew the lingo.

Once his time was up, they turned to Clem.  You get the club Clem, and you'll be a hero, just keep us hidden away to sort our own shit out please.

Zav probably knew that he couldn't actually "own" the club, as couldn't Standing, not really.  Better they be "silent".

I think they'd actually have all been better off to to explain Clem being said frontman and that there were some necessary partnerships that needed to be handled.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:28:30
Just another normal day as a Town fan, hey?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:28:57
Until the Power / Standing court case I'm sure we will never know how Standing was involved

Anyone know when this is due, its not some pre-cursor for the court case is it ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:30:02
My assumption is they were all pressing for a frontman.  Power was more than willing in his days - loved being at the centre and showing his footballing know how to the world.  Knew the lingo.

Once his time was up, they turned to Clem.  You get the club Clem, and you'll be a hero, just keep us hidden away to sort our own shit out please.

Zav probably knew that he couldn't actually "own" the club, as couldn't Standing, not really.  Better they be "silent".

I think they'd actually have all been better off to to explain Clem being said frontman and that there were some necessary partnerships that needed to be handled.

Yes, exactly. This is my question: why the need to lie, time and again? Okay, Standing has the FA issue. Zav is a tinpot ex-con, but I do think post Power most people swallow that as a necessary evil. Unless, of course, that the real owner, as yet unidentified, is so heinous that it couldn't possibly be said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:32:11
Because under Power, the front man did a marvelous job of keeping all the silent partners away from public pressure.  I think they thought they could just continue like that.  I don't think they realised just how secret squirrely the fans could be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:33:47
I mean, until Power started thrashing around sorting himself out financially, they were all pretty well hidden for a time.  They only appeared when Power needed to be brought back into line and refused to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:37:09
Because under Power, the front man did a marvelous job of keeping all the silent partners away from public pressure.  I think they thought they could just continue like that.  I don't think they realised just how secret squirrely the fans could be.

It's hardly the realms of Hercule Poirot to set up a Companies House notification...

Which Post Power they should have realised was going to get pinged.

I think Zav's ego has been the biggest issue for the 'Investment Club'. In the absence of Clem he has enjoyed the bright lights and dispensing largesse, which has only served to bring the spotlight on the whole lot of them. As you allude to, there was only enough oxygen for Power's ego before.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:45:10
Yes, exactly. This is my question: why the need to lie, time and again? Okay, Standing has the FA issue. Zav is a tinpot ex-con, but I do think post Power most people swallow that as a necessary evil. Unless, of course, that the real owner, as yet unidentified, is so heinous that it couldn't possibly be said.

Is it voldermort?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:48:06
Is it voldermort?

Blofeld. Swinton Reds have just filed an application for a name change to SPECTRE Reds.

Joking aside, I have no idea. But I suspect that the Rolodexes of the key figures involved include many a wealthy wrong un.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:49:13
Nothing about the way the club has been run in recent years suggests the involvement of anyone properly wealthy!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:52:10
I wonder how much Kiely is getting for his 'data'. Must be a good old drink as cockney wideboy Jed would say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 13:14:49
The legions of people flocking to facebook to mock people concerned about this that clearly have no earthly clue what is even happening is staggering.

"Haha look at those idiots concerned about something I haven't taken the time to understand"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 14:43:11
Haven't had the chance to fully read back, what is all the meltdown over?
Who are the so called investors and what is the shady background? Fucking busy at work so haven't the time or will power to go hunting Google.
Yep idle cunt, lazy cunt, just a cunt, any cunt you can think of that's me.
Thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 14:48:26
Haven't had the chance to fully read back, what is all the meltdown over?
Who are the so called investors and what is the shady background? Fucking busy at work so haven't the time or will power to go hunting Google.
Yep idle cunt, lazy cunt, just a cunt, any cunt you can think of that's me.
Thanks

Clem signed 20% of the club over to a Hollie Kiely and Bethany Parladorio last September, around the same time of the 'misprint' of Chris Keily being down as a director, which has just come up on companies house now.

Was asked at the fan forum and claimed this is also an error with no explanation on who these people are and that they would "take no further questions on it"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 14:57:15
My assumption is they were all pressing for a frontman.  Power was more than willing in his days - loved being at the centre and showing his footballing know how to the world.  Knew the lingo.

Once his time was up, they turned to Clem.  You get the club Clem, and you'll be a hero, just keep us hidden away to sort our own shit out please.

Zav probably knew that he couldn't actually "own" the club, as couldn't Standing, not really.  Better they be "silent".

I think they'd actually have all been better off to to explain Clem being said frontman and that there were some necessary partnerships that needed to be handled.
Absolutely this. I jnow there was a huge fall out between Austin and Power that became very nasty. I think as you say Clem has likely now realised how hard it is to get rid of Powers ex pals.

What gives me hope is that he does seem to be getting his way with more footballing decisions , reading between the lines last year Sandro was Kieleys choice and they didn't want Austin, He overuled that. They have also moved Harts medical team out the club and got rid of kieleys man Sandro and Morris.  I think Rob obviously knows the score and people like him are probably what has kept the wof from the door and made sure finances are kept in check

I get the impression down the club theres a big us &them element. Wouldn't suprise me if that is why Clem has not been back in so long too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:06:18
I have no inside info, so this could be well wide of the mark.

I'd imagine Power realised the shady and opaque nature of the partnership exposed a big loop hole for him that enabled him to get any of his own money back and maybe some more.  As he was, in writing, the owner, he could move funds around without the others getting their %'s at the same time.  Then try and pull the wool over their eyes for as long as possible (the Ritchie deal being a prime example).  Clearly everyone fell out with Power and in true Mob style set about ousting the "Boss" - which got Zav some injuries in the process of retribution.

Clem gets to be Boss now, but it's essentially the same ownership model off the record, or something akin to the previous one.

As in many films, this could go either way I guess.  Same old uprising, cutting the head off for a new one to grow, or the Boss sets about pruning the would be challengers.

The fact any of what I just wrote is possible is laughable really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:13:24
I have no inside info, so this could be well wide of the mark.

I'd imagine Power realised the shady and opaque nature of the partnership exposed a big loop hole for him that enabled him to get any of his own money back and maybe some more.  As he was, in writing, the owner, he could move funds around without the others getting their %'s at the same time.  Then try and pull the wool over their eyes for as long as possible (the Ritchie deal being a prime example).  Clearly everyone fell out with Power and in true Mob style set about ousting the "Boss" - which got Zav some injuries in the process of retribution.

Clem gets to be Boss now, but it's essentially the same ownership model off the record, or something akin to the previous one.

As in many films, this could go either way I guess.  Same old uprising, cutting the head off for a new one to grow, or the Boss sets about pruning the would be challengers.

The fact any of what I just wrote is possible is laughable really.

Haha. Very good. I enjoy your takes on this.

Yes, the Power/Standing/Barry alleged model is detailed in the court papers of that case.

I've always assumed that the 'takeover' simply saw Clem take on the Power role.

What I don't know and really understand is how you take say, the Twine money, and make sure that Standing or whoever (allegedly) get their share, without that ending up in the accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:14:25
One other thing that comes to mind from all this is that when the Standing/Power stuff finally does get to court, it's got every chance of getting very, very messy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:15:27
The new LSPod is a great listen and covers some interesting ground


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:19:32
Standing has always been running the show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:26:20
Standing has always been running the show.

I have also heard this in the past FWIW


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:26:44
Standing has always been running the show.

Well one slightly interesting point is that if (and obviously this is an enormous if) the Parladorio link was to Standing eventually, a 5% shareholding is actually a much smaller stake than has been suggested might be happening under the table.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:26:51
Clearly, ala Diamandis, one of the easiest ways to move money out of a football club, is to charge for services rendered.  You know, data models that find players, Strength & Conditioning teams that are not employees directly of the business, Visa schemes that use the clubs name and position in the community as a way of ensuring everything remains legal and above board and so on.  At the most basic level, good old Directors loans get repaid, sometimes with interest.

I'm not actually suggesting any of that is officially dodgy - just pointing out ways it can be done to remain very legal and everyone gets their cut.

While everyone seems willing to dispute who owned what. nobody seems to dispute that Standing had a login to the clubs bank account for example.  If we believed Power, why would he give a non affiliated person that kind of access?  It's all been madness for quite some time.

There is a good film to be made here, someone get Clooney on the phone.  He's made Reynolds type money away from acting, sell him the rights in return for buying us out.  He can get Brad Pitt to play Power.  edit: with a bad Cockney accent of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:28:23
Clearly, ala Diamandis, one of the easiest ways to move money out of a football club, is to charge for services rendered.  You know, data models that find players, Strength & Conditioning teams that are not employees directly of the business, Visa schemes that use the clubs name and position in the community as a way of ensuring everything remains legal and above board and so on.  At the most basic level, good old Directors loans get repaid, sometimes with interest.

I'm not actually suggesting any of that is officially dodgy - just pointing out ways it can be done to remain very legal and everyone gets their cut.

While everyone seems willing to dispute who owned what. nobody seems to dispute that Standing had a login to the clubs bank account for example.  If we believed Power, why would he give a non affiliated person that kind of access?  It's all been madness for quite some time.

There is a good film to be made here, some get Clooney on the phone.  He's made Reynolds type money away from acting, sell him the rights in return for buying us out.  He can get Brad Pitt to play Power.

I'm calling Ray Winstone as we speak I'm afraid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:28:59
I have also heard this in the past FWIW

What's his finan ial background, is he wealthy and when all this is done and dusted dies he have the money to move tue club forward?
If he wants anything to do with the club after this episode


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:32:47
What's his finan ial background, is he wealthy and when all this is done and dusted dies he have the money to move tue club forward?
If he wants anything to do with the club after this episode

How long is a piece of string? I don't trust anyone involved in this club, years of mistrust and bad management - I couldn't guarantee anything, sorry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:32:59
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/club-statement-companies-house/ OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Swindon Town Football Club would like to issue the following statement from Clem Morfuni:

Dear Supporters,

I want to address any concerns about the recent Companies House filing and the confirmation statement reflecting shares being transferred last September.

First, I know you all want to know what's happening, and I respect that, and it's better you hear about things directly from the club, not some online legal papers. In this instance, mistakes have been made and I’m going to go into the detail here.

When I purchased the Club, there were some significant financial issues to overcome, including over £7m of debt. I’ve done what I can there and put in nearly £6m of my own money to steady the ship, but it always needs more and hence the reason why we are pushing for fans support continually and to make sure that this club is sustainable in the long term.

I was aware of a possible outstanding debenture, but my understanding was it was debt that wasn’t due anytime soon. Obviously in the circumstances due diligence was impossible and I took the club as it was and inherited whatever I found. My understanding around the debenture proved to be wrong and something I believed wasn’t an issue became a huge issue and we suddenly had a few days to pay a £2.9 million debt or the club go into administration.

I didn’t possess sufficient liquid funds at the time to settle the entire sum at such short notice while also addressing the substantial inherited debt. Money was borrowed from two individuals that I reached out to and Shares in the club were utilised as security for the loan as virtually all my assets are in Australia. While most of the money has been repaid and the majority of the shares reclaimed a small minority shareholding remains to these two individuals. They have had no interest in running the club and want no influence over the club whatsoever.

Mistakes happen. We're not perfect, and neither is any other club out there. What matters is how we own up to it, fix what needs fixing, and keep moving forward. I apologise to all supporters for the confusion this has caused.

I have to run the club and make decisions and can’t run every decision by everyone but I can promise you whether my decisions are good or bad they are always made with the best interest of the club at heart.

One promise I made when I took over was that I would never take a penny out of the club and would only put money into the club which I continue to do and I will always stand by that.

Because of the state of the club when I took over and the debenture, the amount I have put in so far has been far more than I anticipated, and the job has been tougher than I expected but I still maintain together we can run a sustainable club and get the club to the promotion and beyond where it should be.

I hope that gives clarity on everything, I didn’t plan to make any statements but on the back of speaking to Rob Angus yesterday, I felt it was the right thing to do.

Please continue your incredible support of our great club and let’s continue to work together to take it forward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:33:05
This zav getting beaten up.. is this actually true? Or just more bollocks
On a par with embletons mum getting a slap in the arkells

Seems like rubbish to me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:33:51
I’d originally put this in the bollocks category and not thought any more about it but could have some relevance here. I had a conversation with someone a couple months back who usually hears bits and bobs who reckoned that a lot of last season was plagued with “tugs of war” at the top between 3 parties.

Don’t think he meant it as in an outright boardroom war but at least some tension between the parties and battles between how they wanted to run things.

Of course, could very well still be bollocks but thought it was interesting with the current discussion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:34:35
Okay, that actually stands up on first reading. Kiely and Parladorio lent Clem money to clear the debenture, they've converted some of that money into minority shareholdings in the club.

The cover up still stinks, but I think that might be the best possible answer in the circumstances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:35:02
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/club-statement-companies-house/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:37:16
So, how does that sit with what Aberdeen said last night, reported in the Trust statement today..?

A reminder:

Last night, Rob Angus made a statement at the Fans Forum regarding this notification where he said “we were made aware  this morning via Companies House that there was a confirmation statement update on the ownership structure of Axis Football Investments Limited of Swindon Town Football Club.”

Rob continued “It’s something that we became aware of at the same time you did. We have spoken to Clem about it and he believes that the statement has been filed in error. He has confirmed to us that he is the 100% owner of the football club and a corrective confirmation statement will be submitted as soon as possible.”

So, Clem lied last night, and made Rob repeat the lie in public, and has come clean today...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:37:52
It's the 100% the owner of the football club vs owner of 100% of the football club difference, isn't it?

I can't imagine Rob Angus is exactly delighted with this turn of events though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:38:34
It's the 100% the owner of the football club vs owner of 100% of the football club difference, isn't it?

It sounds like the statement filing is no longer being put down to error though, is it?

And why are the wives the shareholders...? It's a modern world etc but can't help but think they might not be the real beneficiaries.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:39:29
It sounds like the statement filing is no longer being put down to error though, is it?

"He believes" being the weasel words there - he believed that at the time, he now realises it wasn't an error? Very much a politician double speak though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:41:31
Shows Morfuni does not have the funds to run a football club in the long term.

The money has run out.

He is now having to go out with the begging bowl to continue financing the club..

In my opinion it's only a matter of time before he is actively looking to sell if he is not already...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:42:35
Interesting that this 'turd in the swimming pool' debenture was alluded to by many before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:42:59
So, lends money from said to individuals which turns to shares until it's paid back. Hasn't been so logged, now backtracking like a bitch & thrown Angus under the bus.....nice


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:43:28
Interesting that this 'turd in the swimming pool' debenture was alluded to by many before.

It's the Black debenture isn't it? Always was going to become due on sale of the club, but previous sales (Jed to Power?) had negotiated some sort of rollover? Or is it another debenture that we weren't aware of?

And why are the wives the shareholders...? It's a modern world etc but can't help but think they might not be the real beneficiaries.

Strongly suspect that's a tax thing, like how Philip Green's entire business was always in his wife's name.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:44:26
why oh why oh why did Rob/the club make such a stupid ham-fisted comment about the Companies House mistake last night at the forum?

The other thing I guess I don't get it why Clem/the club actually announce the structure of the Debenture payment during the AB minutes? Then surely we wouldn't be in this situation now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:44:43
I'm not sure the statement directly answers any of the questions other than - it wasn't a mistake

It raises more questions over:
RA's role as mouthpiece CEO
Clem not wanting to make a statement and sweeping it under the carpet
Other bodies buried with due diligence undertaken by Clem in taking over the club
Ongoing funding


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:45:57
Think I feel worse after the statement than before if I'm honest. There's no excuse for not communicating this out earlier and nearer the time. The fans would have been completely understanding. It's pure gaslighting antics after the fact now and that trust is wiped.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:47:05
Leaves the Trust in a pickle, having been assured multiple times that Clem is the 100% owner/100% the owner ( :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:47:28
Think I feel worse after the statement than before if I'm honest. There's no excuse for not communicating this out earlier and nearer the time. The fans would have been completely understanding. It's pure gaslighting antics after the fact now and that trust is wiped.

I don't know, I'm not sure everyone would have been 100% understanding of "I don't actually have enough money". The smokescreen is definitely worse, but I don't think it's fair to say everyone would have been chill about him directly saying he'd borrowed money off some people we have at best, some questions about.

Certainly explains the drive to make the club self-sustaining funding wise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:52:25
So clem didn’t pay for the debentures himself as it was said back in the October minutes. Was these other two!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:53:07
It's the Black debenture isn't it? Always was going to become due on sale of the club, but previous sales (Jed to Power?) had negotiated some sort of rollover? Or is it another debenture that we weren't aware of?

Strongly suspect that's a tax thing, like how Philip Green's entire business was always in his wife's name.
Of course it is. If things go tits up financially the wives declare bankruptcy without actually having any personal assets that can be grabbed in recompense. Tbf, that’s almost standard business practice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:54:12
Yeah this fucking stinks, to be honest. I'd like to believe Clem, I really would. The coverup and peddling Rob Angus out to lie has really fucked me up and I'm not sure I can even believe the extra debt. Is it from 1957 any chance?

Just all so deflating after the high of Tuesday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:54:57
So clem didn’t pay for the debentures himself as it was said back in the October minutes. Was these other two!!
I assume the money came from Clem's account, but was only recently popped in there from the other two. He could technically be right, but i'm not sure it's cricket


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:56:24
I think Clem has said enough to explain the situation - he's a business man - you don't go from being a plumber in OZ to where he is now without pushing money around. As long as it's above board, the club is generally going in the right direction and will be in a much better position when he moves on to how Power left it. Just need to get out of league 2.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:56:52
Well, all this has cleared one thing up - Clem hasn’t got a pot to piss in as far as financing the club goes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 15:57:43
We kind of knew that though really.

and if it is all true, its not exactly insignificant money to be paid at short notice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:00:55
Well, all this has cleared one thing up - Clem hasn’t got a pot to piss in as far as financing the club goes.

We have always known this, not sure why its a surprise.

- You can expect someone who runs a company with a 200m turnover to have lots of cash on hand.
- What he has done is clear up the legacy debt, but insist the clubs runs sustainably, ie he doesn't have to put more money in
- he recovers what he has put in with the ground development etc

Its never been anything other than the above.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:01:27
Is paying back the debenture so soon a legal requirement though. Would Black really be so insistent that it’s paid almost instantly?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:02:54
That raises more questions than it answers. Can't imagine RA is over the moon with the goings on, either. Hung out to dry last night, contradicted today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:03:15
why oh why oh why did Rob/the club make such a stupid ham-fisted comment about the Companies House mistake last night at the forum?


And why make another statement today, for a club/business  that are apparently dishonest and unbelievable they don't half make a lot of statements!

One other thing that comes to mind from all this is that when the Standing/Power stuff finally does get to court, it's got every chance of getting very, very messy.

From what I have been hearing messy is putting it politely....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:03:45
This zav getting beaten up.. is this actually true? Or just more bollocks
On a par with embletons mum getting a slap in the arkells

Seems like rubbish to me
absolutely true mate and has had a lot worse than that happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:04:38
I miss Diamandis, At least you knew he was 100% cunt.

How are we supposed to allegedly throw a brick through a window and allegedly paint a driveway if we don't know who the cunt actually is?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:05:07
Is paying back the debenture so soon a legal requirement though. Would Black really be so insistent that it’s paid almost instantly?

It was public knowledge that the Debenture was payable on the sale of the business, immediately.  Power weasled out when he took control by managing to make it so he was always the new owner and it never was Jed, before him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:06:02
That raises more questions than it answers. Can't imagine RA is over the moon with the goings on, either. Hung out to dry last night, contradicted today.

Yeah, even if I believe Clem.....royally fucked me off that has.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:06:42
It was public knowledge that the Debenture was payable on the sale of the business, immediately.  Power weasled out when he took control by managing to make it so he was always the new owner and it never was Jed, before him.

Clem says otherwise...  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:06:47
I miss Diamandis, At least you knew he was 100% cunt.

How are we supposed to allegedly throw a brick through a window and allegedly paint a driveway if we don't know who the cunt actually is?

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:06:52
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:07:00
Rule of STFC owners- trust nobody. Well done fans and Trust for pushing hard for a statement (not sure how truthful it is)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:07:39
I thought power bought the debenture off black
Probably realised he was skint, thought fuck this and called it in


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:08:55
absolutely true mate and has had a lot worse than that happen.

Didn't het get put in hospital?  Knee's wasn't it?

It was really odd at the time that it was even put out as a PR from the club if I remember correctly.  At the time it was all a bit, why are we putting that out, what the fuck does it have to do with the club?

I mean, Hart gave Zav a run for his money on dodgy stories though.  It's OK, small mistakes, they are all reformed now.  There is a theme here - mistakes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:10:14
Yeah, even if I believe Clem.....royally fucked me off that has.
Me too, was so much easier for Rob to just say that he has spoken to Clem and the club will release a statement tomorrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:10:35
For an organised crime group, this lot are really disorganised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:11:33
Is this the first sign of the dam breaking and Clem realising that he can't keep up the sole owner charade anymore?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:13:13
Is this the first sign of the dam breaking and Clem realising that he can't keep up the sole owner charade anymore?
Well, it doesn’t really matter. As long as whoever he has as ‘partner’ isn’t dodgy as fuck.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:13:57
What is Zav's background and what has he done to be labelled dodgy? I looked online and found a couome of Zav's different ages so don't k iw who I'm looking for.
And this Hart fella who is he??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:16:14
Well, it doesn’t really matter. As long as whoever he has as ‘partner’ isn’t dodgy as fuck.

Yeah, the odds there aren't great are they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:16:19
Well, it doesn’t really matter. As long as whoever he has as ‘partner’ isn’t dodgy as fuck.

I assume if its Standing the big cloak and dagger is down to waiting for the FA charges to pass.

Adam Hart was pretty high up on the dodgy chart and was quite open about being involved with the club even as a 'contractor'. Would have to be the final boss of dodgy cunts to be much worse like his mate Kinnahan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:17:07
And this Hart fella who is he??

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/revealed-the-uk-s-10-most-wanted-in-new-costa-del-crime-998215.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:20:21
Yes, exactly. This is my question: why the need to lie, time and again? Okay, Standing has the FA issue. Zav is a tinpot ex-con, but I do think post Power most people swallow that as a necessary evil. Unless, of course, that the real owner, as yet unidentified, is so heinous that it couldn't possibly be said.

My money is on Charles Bronson. It's why he's been pushing for release recently...he wants to come and sit with the other ''ex-cons'' at SN1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:21:57
Paolo, it's Paolo


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:22:48
What is Zav's background and what has he done to be labelled dodgy? I looked online and found a couome of Zav's different ages so don't k iw who I'm looking for.
And this Hart fella who is he??

Ones a convicted drug money launderer and the other was a cocaine dealer shifting large amounts of product


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:23:22
Ones a convicted drug money launderer and the other was a cocaine dealer shifting large amounts of product
‘He was a cruel man - but fair’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lambo75 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:23:34
Good statement put out by Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:23:52
Nice fellas then.
Why is it always Swindon


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:25:39
Is this the first sign of the dam breaking and Clem realising that he can't keep up the sole owner charade anymore?

He has known for a while he cannot afford running a football club....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:27:12
My opinion for what it's worth.

Fact. Axis Plumbing NSW is in liquidation. Morfuni was the Director until March. Now the liquidators are after money and seeing Morfuni owning and loaning undisputed cash to STFC. Liquidator sees this as low hanging fruit.
Loan is exchanged for shares . Shares will suddenly lose value. Liquidator will eventually do a deal and receive a very deflated amount.
Morfuni will hope all these problems will go away. Trouble is they won't because the club is not self funding.
Suggest someone is going to take a bath and someone will get a bargain here.
Just hope the Trust and the Eady Trust are well lawyered up.
Hold on tight and be prepared for a bumpy ride.
COYRs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:27:34
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x361w1m


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:27:39
He has known for a while he cannot afford running a football club....

I mean opening up on the fact that there are more involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:32:52
Some new chap at the Adver has clearly had his Weetabix and has raised a few questions.

One being: was permission given by the EFL/FA association and were fit and proper checks carried out on the two investors?

Is that required? Interesting if so.

His thread is here: https://twitter.com/DanWood_Adver/status/1692169194190836155


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:33:27
Is paying back the debenture so soon a legal requirement though. Would Black really be so insistent that it’s paid almost instantly?

I believe it was a condition of the Eady Trust releasing the funds to pay for the ground that the debenture was cleared


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:44:26
Quote
Good statement put out by Clem.
which one.

yesterday's lie, or today's who knows what?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:46:37
Quote from: DMC
Me too, was so much easier for Rob to just say that he has spoken to Clem and the club will release a statement tomorrow.

I'm assuming Rob put out what Clem told him.

Then, when even a Forest Gump could see it was bollocks another followed.

And the second may well be the truth. But given the long history of Mr Transparency hiding things and making mistakes who the fuck knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:48:21
Good statement put out by Clem.

Is it though, really?

One of these HAS to be true:

a) It's as per Clem says it was - he needed the cash, he asked some friends to pay it in return for shares in the controlling business, and as he wants to run a transparent and honest football club he presented this information to the AB.  The supporters reps present, football club Execs and Sponsors all heard him say it but they decided not to add it to the minutes and all agreed it wasn't worth mentioning ever again.

b) it is not as Clem specifically calls it out,

c) or it is evidence that we will not be run in a transparent manner.  The statement actually said he had no intention of telling anyone, so it's this one by the way, it could also be b) at the same time.

How can we then trust someone who says they will tell us everything but then tries to keep the lid on a near 3m deal that involved paying a secured debt and transfer of shares in the controlling interest company of the football club, just as the Sale of the Ground was about to go through where the club would get 50% ownership for FREEEEEEEEEEE.

Were the parties involved in that transaction aware? (It may not have made a blind bit of difference)

It simply means, even if all above board, everything will now be questioned to the hilt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:54:56
It simply means, even if all above board, everything will now be questioned to the hilt.


This is the main takeaway, once you have misled people (whether it is deliberate or inadvertent) any sane person is going to question anything you say from now on.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:57:16
I’m like one of the guys on Twitter - don’t give a fuck if we win Sat/tues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:59:15
I’m like one of the guys on Twitter - don’t give a fuck if we win Sat/tues.

Which is your absolute right to do so - plenty of fans will be the same, really do not care who owns the club or how they run it.  It was the same under Diamandis as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 17:01:32
As noted elsewhere, can we bin the Advisory Board now? It’s evidently a farce, as if that wasn’t clear enough already.

These are good for a laugh too: https://truststfc.com/2021/08/21/trust-hero-awards/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 17:05:50
As noted elsewhere, can we bin the Advisory Board now? It’s evidently a farce, as if that wasn’t clear enough already.

Ron Angus "OK, lets bring the meeting to order, wait, who ate the sugar coated doughnuts?
Zav 'Not me, honest"
RA "Zav, what is that white dust above your lip then?"
ZA, sniffs, "Ummm, nothing, lets talk about Karachi"
Trust Rep - "Zav, we don;t talk about Karachi, first rule of Visa Club"
ZA "Sorry, I have a mate who needs some tickets in the Corporate Boxes at Wrexham"
RA  "Is he above board Zav"
ZA "Back to Karachi then"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 17:27:52
As noted elsewhere, can we bin the Advisory Board now? It’s evidently a farce, as if that wasn’t clear enough already.

These are good for a laugh too: https://truststfc.com/2021/08/21/trust-hero-awards/

Fuck me, I never knew this...that's some top level ''getting on your knees and sucking off the board'' type of gratuity. Bloody hell, I can only laugh though unfortunately  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 17:29:05
Some very good points/questions…

https://x.com/danwood_adver/status/1692169194190836155?s=48&t=0MfxcdRil4o5ViEVSniKBA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 17:32:21
The statement sounds plausible, but it's probably not 100% the truth.

You do not need to actually sign shares over to someone as security for a loan, it is much easier to take a charge over the shares, especially knowing the loan was going to be paid off quite quickly. Once you sign them over, there's no guarantee you get them back. If Clem's really done that, he's not all that astute a businessman.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 17:33:09
Some very good points/questions…

https://x.com/danwood_adver/status/1692169194190836155?s=48&t=0MfxcdRil4o5ViEVSniKBA

Indeed.

In another note, I love how the X dot com URLs still redirect as Twitter dot com. It'll always remain as Twitter for me, regardless what rich man baby wants to rebrand it as. Much like Facebook Inc, it'll never really grow on me as ''Meta''.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 18:48:52
Which is your absolute right to do so - plenty of fans will be the same, really do not care who owns the club or how they run it.  It was the same under Diamandis as well.

Its the cunts that insist others do the same or they're not proper fans that get on my tits. They can fuck off. Fucking simpletons that don't know what day of the week it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 19:00:56
They’re the same people who see a player like Milner go to Brighton and moan we should have signed him


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 19:01:19
Its the cunts that insist others do the same or they're not proper fans that get on my tits. They can fuck off. Fucking simpletons that don't know what day of the week it is.

Idiots. We've had a 5 o'clock statement, it's clearly Friday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 19:11:11
Andrew Hawes with a little nibble.

https://twitter.com/talkinghawes/status/1692252598198284523

I'm curious as to where Clem's biggest cheerleaders at the Trust are on this. If they were simply naive and took him at his word, this is a fairly spectacular betrayal. See also Aberdeen, who I feel sorry for. I think he's been launched under the bus.

I do wonder why Greg Norman resigned...



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 19:17:30
Bad news travels fast (second page)

http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/122681-swindon-town-h-ts-ps.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 19:57:35
If Power did buy the debenture off Black he has played a blinder on Clem. Waits until Clem has sunk in £6m clearing up Power's old debts and then drops the £2.9M needs to be repaid in a week.

I can't see Clem had any other option to find the money than those mates in the background as no-one else would invest in a week. He can't go to a bank for a loan or put a UK property as collateral so uses his  holding company.

Clearly if Kiely and Paladorio have funded £3M they are want to have a say in how the club is run either officially or in the background.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 20:01:05
I think we can safely say that Kiely had a huge influence over things in the past 12 months or so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 20:02:26
I think we can safely say that Kiely had a huge influence over things in the past 12 months or so.

And didn’t that go well…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 20:11:32
I do wonder why Greg Norman resigned...

When he left he was telling a lot of people that things were happening that he couldn’t stand by as a Swindon fan.

Apparently he also said to a few people don’t be surprised if Clem sells up to CK soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 20:31:58
When he left he was telling a lot of people that things were happening that he couldn’t stand by as a Swindon fan.

Apparently he also said to a few people don’t be surprised if Clem sells up to CK soon.
Wouldn’t surprise me, he’s clearly already a director. That was published in the programme and for whatever reason hidden thereafter and this share nonsense just basically confirms that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 20:52:05
It’s shocking how silent the trust have been since the “statement”. I’m guessing that they’re trying to work out how the hell they are going to spin this….I’m a member & seriously thinking of dropping it, I imagine I won’t be the only one right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:17:23
Things will eventually come to light.
Who knows anything about this Keily fellow ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:22:37
Things will eventually come to light.
Who knows anything about this Keily fellow ?

Was just thinking the same. Wonder if the trust plan on doing any 'due diligence'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:23:12
Quote from: Mooneyraker
And didn’t that go well…

we should be so lucky,
lucky lucky lucky

(yeah I did the same joke earlier on Twitter)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:23:22
Just reading the statement again, it mentions that most of the £2.9m has been paid back.

Interesting that looking at the AB financial updates this was obviously first paid off in August 2022. Which was when the club put out a statement to celebrate the debenture being paid off. In the same statement there is a lot of hat waving that Clem has achieved this himself.

What is odd is that we now know that the £2.9m was something that had to be paid back to others. So that £2.9m disappeared from the AB financial updates as a debenture, but never reappeared as a debt to others on there.

So the question is has Clem paid that back out of his pocket and as such deserves a back slap that the statement last year gave him or have we paid it back ourselves from the club coffers?

If we are paying it back should it now reappear as a debt on the AB financial update? Alternatively if the debt is against Clem and we are paying it back, is that not technically him taking money out the club which he said he wouldn’t do? The fact we are penny pinching so much does make you wonder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:27:43
Wouldn’t surprise me, he’s clearly already a director. That was published in the programme and for whatever reason hidden thereafter and this share nonsense just basically confirms that.

Wouldn't that have to be declared and published via companies house too?

I guess it makes no difference to influence the running of the club, formal or informal other than dodging director responsibilities


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:37:06
If only they were still around I'm sure they would have come up with a sketch to suit😀

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3qcj2MzPYc&pp=ygUrdGhhdCdzIGFub3RoZXIgZmluZSBtZXNzIHlvdSd2ZSBnb3QgbWUgaW50bw%3D%3D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:47:35
Genuinely fear for the state of the human race looking at Facebook. Just cunts spouting positivity bollocks and how Clem has been honest when they clearly don't have a single solitary fucking clue of what has even happened. Just wanking each other off about being real fans because they're happy to blindly follow anything.

No wonder we ended up with in such a state with Lee fucking Power. Only encourages sharks to rip us off if they think this is the intelligence level of our fan base.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:49:16
Just reading the statement again, it mentions that most of the £2.9m has been paid back.

Interesting that looking at the AB financial updates this obviously happened in August 2022. Which was when the club put out a statement to celebrate the debenture being paid off. In the same statement there is a lot of hat waving that Clem has achieved this himself.

What is odd is that we now know that the £2.9m was something that had to be paid back to others. So that £2.9m disappeared from the AB financial updates as a debenture, but never reappeared as a debt to others on there.

So the question is has Clem paid that back out of his pocket and as such deserves a back slap that the statement last year gave him or have we paid it back ourselves from the club coffers?

If we are paying it back should it now reappear as a debt on the AB financial update? Alternatively if the debt is against Clem and we are paying it back, is that not technically him taking money out the club which he said he wouldn’t do? The fact we are penny pinching so much does make you wonder.
Assuming he has paid back the £2.9m it would be interesting to know where the money came from. Did he really liquidate assets or has it actually come from the clubs turnover, would explain why we constantly seem to be struggling for funds if £’s are being diverted to pay that off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 21:59:32
Assuming he has paid back the £2.9m it would be interesting to know where the money came from. Did he really liquidate assets or has it actually come from the clubs turnover, would explain why we constantly seem to be struggling for funds if £’s are being diverted to pay that off.

Clem has said he would never take a penny out of the club so would that technically mean the former rather than the latter?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:03:53
I do worry about some of the posters on here.....

This is obviously not a good situation.
I want the club to thrive, but I don't want thieves and crooks anywhere near it.
Sad thing is, I think that most money out there is dirty in some way.

I hope Clem is a genuine bloke who wants to do the right thing. I hope he found that he didnt have enough money to do it and then did whatever it took to protect his investment. And I now hope that he really is paying back the creditors and that we will be gangster free.

But, I suspect that the whole thing is rotten from top to bottom - like most football clubs!

I don't have the money to buy the club and do things 'right' so guess I am stuck with hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:03:56
I mean I think it's legitimate to use club turnover to pay takeover costs.

not sure how Id feel about it. probably pissed off about more secrecy I guess. But it would mean more budget after.

all in theory


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:04:01
Its the cunts that insist others do the same or they're not proper fans that get on my tits. They can fuck off. Fucking simpletons that don't know what day of the week it is.

Today is Thurnesday the 65nd of Augruary  :harshfunny:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:09:53
Assuming he has paid back the £2.9m it would be interesting to know where the money came from. Did he really liquidate assets or has it actually come from the clubs turnover, would explain why we constantly seem to be struggling for funds if £’s are being diverted to pay that off.

Yeah I'd love to know where it come from as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:23:05
I mean I think it's legitimate to use club turnover to pay takeover costs.

not sure how Id feel about it. probably pissed off about more secrecy I guess. But it would mean more budget after.

all in theory

Man United's income has paid every penny of the loans the Glazers took out to buy the club so I guess so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:38:45
we should be so lucky,
lucky lucky lucky

(yeah I did the same joke earlier on Twitter)

There is a double irony with Kiely being an alleged Director and Clem being an Aussie Director...

...perhaps when someone told Clem they would introduce him to Kiely, he started spinning around thinking it was his fellow compatriot Minogue...turns out someone was just trying to warn Clem by actually saying ''Kiely is rogue''...but it was just a genuine error. No doubt he thought Greg Norman was also THE Greg Norman - when Clem realised out he wasn't that's why GN resigned...I wonder what CM is going to think when he finds out Angus isn't actually a succulent burger and is just a former employee of Nationwide  :D

Would be hilarious and tragic as fuck if Holly/Hollie is blonde and they tried to pass her off as Minogue to Clem over a Zoom call or something...

Sorry, all the above is ridonculous but right now, literally anything fucking goes. It's beyond basket case in terms of believing anything, so even the most banal rhetoric could hold some truth. Only have to say it was a mistake regardless of the trail of shite left in the wake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:40:15
I think we need to be taken over by an open and honest bloodthirsty, murderous dictatorship, who's with me ....... yay!
Anybody?
No?
Nobody then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:52:11
Business & shares not my area of expertise at all…

…but…when the news broke that two wives of people who had done contract / consultancy work for the club - my first thought the shares have probably been given out as collateral against work for the football without pay; presumably work carried out in the summer when cash flow would be at its lowest ebb.

…or the other logical explanation would be that they had invested & Clem had sold them shares to raise fund but remained in control of the football club.

We know Clem doesn’t have deep pockets & he’s never pretended otherwise.
So both above scenarios make logical sense to my untrained eye?

If he’d come out with any of the above we’d have believed it, right? Understood his reasons for doing it?

It’s the lies and the secrecy - why?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 22:57:44
Some new chap at the Adver has clearly had his Weetabix and has raised a few questions.

One being: was permission given by the EFL/FA association and were fit and proper checks carried out on the two investors?

Is that required? Interesting if so.

His thread is here: https://twitter.com/DanWood_Adver/status/1692169194190836155
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Didn't need it as a sports journalist should know. No change in material ownership or control of the club. Fuck me a handful of PL club shares used to be stock exchange listed. Do you think they did a check on everyone that bought MU or Spurs shares?

Clem is the only stockholder on the club's board. He's the only director of the holding company.  There are no other shares to buy in either unless he issues them so there is NO OTHER PERSON CONTROLLING THE CLUB OR THAT CAN TAKE IT.

If the people who took shares as collateral on loans whilst Clem realised and moved assets to the UK refuse to relinquish them then fine. Come can keep the money and their shares give them zero influence and no return as there clearly won't be a dividend ever.

This paranoid bullshit from some people on here is tin foil hat mental. The cockwomble with his list of "facts" concluding Clem's bust and is selling up to whatever crook his fevered imagination can dream up is Trump level fucking mental and I can see that most of you are just along for the giggles but I think I'll avoid this thread totally in future.

Any chance you could isolate the lunacy in this one and avoid bringing the "the end is nigh" bollocks into stuff about football like the transfers thread?








Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 23:00:54
Business & shares not my area of expertise at all…

…but…when the news broke that two wives of people who had done contract / consultancy work for the club - my first thought the shares have probably been given out as collateral against work for the football without pay; presumably work carried out in the summer when cash flow would be at its lowest ebb.

…or the other logical explanation would be that they had invested & Clem had sold them shares to raise fund but remained in control of the football club.

We know Clem doesn’t have deep pockets & he’s never pretended otherwise.
So both above scenarios make logical sense to my untrained eye?

If he’d come out with any of the above we’d have believed it, right? Understood his reasons for doing it?

It’s the lies and the secrecy - why?

Exactly where I'm at with it. If he come out with this early on would have been fine. Its the cover up that has pissed me off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 23:15:56

Didn't need it as a sports journalist should know. No change in material ownership or control of the club. Fuck me a handful of PL club shares used to be stock exchange listed. Do you think they did a check on everyone that bought MU or Spurs shares?

Clem is the only stockholder on the club's board. He's the only director of the holding company.  There are no other shares to buy in either unless he issues them so there is NO OTHER PERSON CONTROLLING THE CLUB OR THAT CAN TAKE IT


Not really sure who is quoting who or what or where in that mess but regards Stock Exchange...well I would say that yes everyone would technically be checked [regardless of any shares purchased] because that's what KYC is for...to prevent fraud, tax evasion and money laundering


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 05:24:34
So, £2.9m = 20% of STFC. That values the club at £14.5m. Wtf!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 18, 2023, 05:44:22
So, £2.9m = 20% of STFC. That values the club at £14.5m. Wtf!

That’s assuming he borrowed the full amount, which we don’t know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, August 18, 2023, 06:28:17
Genuinely fear for the state of the human race looking at Facebook. Just cunts spouting positivity bollocks and how Clem has been honest when they clearly don't have a single solitary fucking clue of what has even happened. Just wanking each other off about being real fans because they're happy to blindly follow anything.

No wonder we ended up with in such a state with Lee fucking Power. Only encourages sharks to rip us off if they think this is the intelligence level of our fan base.

I saw your rant :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Some people on there are so blinkered its unreal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, August 18, 2023, 06:44:04
A great point reiterated by the LSPod via a club employee that when you go in 'there' (assuming this is the boardroom/corp box on matchdays) it's the same people there now as there were during the Power era. But, does that also apply to Chris Kiely? There's been some claiming that Kiely was associated with the Power era but I don't recall his name ever being mentioned in the same ilk as Austin, Standing, Gristwood et al.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 06:48:40
A great point reiterated by the LSPod via a club employee that when you go in 'there' (assuming this is the boardroom/corp box on matchdays) it's the same people there now as there were during the Power era. But, does that also apply to Chris Kiely? There's been some claiming that Kiely was associated with the Power era but I don't recall his name ever being mentioned in the same I'll as Austin, Standing, Gristwood et al.

Weren’t Kiely and Power connected through Racing?

That Gristwood chap, assuming he’s the slab of meat with blonde hair, is in a prime seat near Angus for every game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, August 18, 2023, 06:51:16
Doesnt he run Platinum Security?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, August 18, 2023, 06:59:45
Doesnt he run Platinum Security?
Correct, and he was a non-exec Director under Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:08:42
He was also mentioned in the legendary Power FA charge:

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/discipline-cases/2015-part-2/the-fa-v-lee-power---8-september-2015.ashx

Power was a charmer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:15:06
He was also mentioned in the legendary Power FA charge:

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/discipline-cases/2015-part-2/the-fa-v-lee-power---8-september-2015.ashx

Power was a charmer.

Nice little Friday morning read there!

It made me laugh that Power called the referee “you fat cunt”. I mean Power is hardly a 3XL but he also isn't exactly 'svelte' himself.

Secondly, if you are going to try and cover up crime, at least have the sense to mess around with the CCTV -

"Secondly and thirdly the Commission received two signed letters from the Club’s Head of
Security, Ben Gristwood and Tunnel Security Steward, Momcilo Balac. Both of these Club
employees stated that they had been in the tunnel area at the time of the incident and at no
time had they seen Mr Power.

12. Based on the above evidence, the Commission may have had some trouble in finding the charge
against Mr Power proven. However, the FA also submitted video evidence of the incident which
clearly shows that Mr Power was in the tunnel at the time of the incident"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:15:31
"The Dolph"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:18:49
Quote from: ThreeDrawsMentality
A great point reiterated by the LSPod via a club employee that when you go in 'there' (assuming this is the boardroom/corp box on matchdays) it's the same people there now as there were during the Power era.

in fairness the likes of Austin and Hart still being around the club have always been questioned.

the club seem to have tried to distract themselves from Austin somewhat, but I'm not sure that is totally believed either


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:52:17
Rumours that FA/EFL are investigating Swindon.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:53:10
Quote
Rumours that FA/EFL are investigating Swindon.
rumours from where?

hopefully from Twitter or Facebook!

we are already potentially in the shit with standing/power, so let's hope this is bs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:53:42
Twitter


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 07:59:00
Is there not a minimum % shareholding whereby a minority shareholder doesn’t need to pass any FA test. 2 individuals holding 10% each doesn’t sound much.

Did Clem have to pass it when he originally bought 15%.

When in the timeline did these 2 people appear in official records at Companies House?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:04:45
Interesting to see what the Trust eventually say about all this.

We must also be due the latest (and hopefully last) AB minutes any day, which should be good for a laugh.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:06:48
Apart from the secrecy surrounding this, I presume there isn’t anything intrinsically wrong with selling shares to raise capital - either legally or of interest to the FA.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:10:11
Perhaps it is the possibility that Mrs Parladorio is holding them for Standing that is of interest?

Let's face it, the FA can no doubt see that the whole regime stinks but that probably applies to many EFL clubs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:18:25
Kind of at the point where i would just like it to get sorted one way or another. Let the FL deal with it and reveal whatever needs to be revealed if that is even the case and go again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:19:45
Kind of at the point where i would just like it to get sorted one way or another. Let the FL deal with it and reveal whatever needs to be revealed if that is even the case and go again

Yup, just rip the bandage off and deal with the fallout. Tired of this sword of Damocles hanging over us.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:21:12
Is there not a minimum % shareholding whereby a minority shareholder doesn’t need to pass any FA test. 2 individuals holding 10% each doesn’t sound much.

Did Clem have to pass it when he originally bought 15%.

When in the timeline did these 2 people appear in official records at Companies House?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08462753/filing-history

Have a look at the PDF of the confirmation statement posted on 15th August 2023. (which is the annual date these things have to be posted, hence why it came out of the woodwork this week) The actual date of share transfer was 30th September 2022.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:26:50
When times are tough, just announce a betting firm as an official advertising partner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:27:46
Looking back at the advisory board minutes from 22nd Sep, it states a review was in place for a £2.95m debenture.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:30:42
In the Sept 22 advisory board minutes the debt was noted as down to circa 1.1m, so where has this 2.9m appeared from?

It's on 2.4 of the minutes and action review -

"CM reviewing the position of historic £2.95m Debenture debt outstanding since 2012 and how this could be resolved to ensure the Club is debt free. CM’s focus is laying strong foundations,
working to make the Club debt free, owning the ground and starting plans for development of the ground."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:31:50
When times are tough, just announce a betting firm as an official advertising partner.

We've had enough good PR this week already, so makes sense to balance it out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:32:03
It's on 2.4 of the minutes and action review -

"CM reviewing the position of historic £2.95m Debenture debt outstanding since 2012 and how this could be resolved to ensure the Club is debt free. CM’s focus is laying strong foundations,
working to make the Club debt free, owning the ground and starting plans for development of the ground."

Yeah, just amended my comment after noticing that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:34:57
Yeah, just amended my comment after noticing that

Sorry 4D, hadn't realised you spotted it bud.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:36:17
Let's face it, the FA can no doubt see that the whole regime stinks but that probably applies to many EFL clubs.
I was talking to someone about this yesterday. I get the impression there's a lot of chaos behind the scenes of most lower league clubs, we're just seeing it play out in real time now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:36:49
Perhaps it is the possibility that Mrs Parladorio is holding them for Standing that is of interest?

Let's face it, the FA can no doubt see that the whole regime stinks but that probably applies to many EFL clubs.

What they think doesn’t matter. If the shareholding is in her name that’s that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:37:22
Is there not a minimum % shareholding whereby a minority shareholder doesn’t need to pass any FA test. 2 individuals holding 10% each doesn’t sound much.

Did Clem have to pass it when he originally bought 15%.

When in the timeline did these 2 people appear in official records at Companies House?
Needs to be 30% stake according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fit-and-proper-person_test


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:38:41
I understand that the debenture money had to be made quickly, but now it's in the public eye could the club not sell the shares to fans to generate income? That way the club has the money it needs/needed and the fans have a say in the club. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but would seem the most sensible moving forwards (unless there are skeletons in the closet of course).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:40:35
But how long would that take. I understand it the debenture needed paying immediately.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:43:15
Needs to be 30% stake according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fit-and-proper-person_test
Well, that’s that. Nothing to see here at all. Apart from the cloak of secrecy - which now seems to have been pointless - Clem (the club) have done nothing to get the FA’s interest tweaked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:44:22
Aren’t the FA already investigating the club from the Power/Standing era anyway? So that’s nothing new.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:44:52
I understand that the debenture money had to be made quickly, but now it's in the public eye could the club not sell the shares to fans to generate income? That way the club has the money it needs/needed and the fans have a say in the club. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but would seem the most sensible moving forwards (unless there are skeletons in the closet of course).
The club (axis group) no longer hold the shares in swinton reds, they can't do anything with them other than ask nicely of the new owners.
Issuing new shares might be something they look at, but I'm not sure there's a long term plan for the club at this stage.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:46:42
The club (axis group) no longer hold the shares in swinton reds, they can't do anything with them other than ask nicely of the new owners.
Issuing new shares might be something they look at, but I'm not sure there's a long term plan for the club at this stage.

That's not quite true, there might be separate legal agreements allowing Clem to purchase the shares back at an agreed price (or, to look at it another way, allowing other parties to buy more of Clem's shares at an agreed price/under certain circumstances). Those sorts of options wouldn't need to be registered with CH as far as I can tell.

Issuing more shares in the club to dilute existing minority shareholdings was how Fitton screwed over the minor shareholders in his day, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:47:38
Aren’t the FA already investigating the club from the Power/Standing era anyway? So that’s nothing new.
Yeah. That’s a fair enough inquiry - clearly breaking the FA rules on ownership. Not sure if the club could/should get sanctioned now or just the 2 individuals concerned. Even then the punishments would be meaningless. Power gets banned from owning another club, Standing has already resigned from his agency. This will hinge on the outcome of the civil case of Standing v Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:54:14
Perhaps it is the possibility that Mrs Parladorio is holding them for Standing that is of interest?

Let's face it, the FA can no doubt see that the whole regime stinks but that probably applies to many EFL clubs.


Why, if Standing isn't an Agent any more I am not sure what FA rule this would be in breach of?

Looking back at the advisory board minutes from 22nd Sep, it states a review was in place for a £2.95m debenture.

So 20% of the club is worth about £3m then?

I understand that the debenture money had to be made quickly, but now it's in the public eye could the club not sell the shares to fans to generate income? That way the club has the money it needs/needed and the fans have a say in the club. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but would seem the most sensible moving forwards (unless there are skeletons in the closet of course).

Its Clem's toy, he can do what he likes, albeit seeing the shit that flies about I can't see him wanting thousands of fans owning shares and getting involved. Plus also worth remembering that fans did own shareholdings until Saint Andrew of Fitton rather fucked them over - in past times this would be the point to hand over to Reg!  :no:

But how long would that take. I understand it the debenture needed paying immediately.

I've always assumed that the debenture needed clearing quickly as I suspect that, understandably, the Eady Trust would not provide the cash for the ground whilst a third party had the opportunity to get their dibs on it (or any asset it purchased) by calling the debt in.

That's not quite true, there might be separate legal agreements allowing Clem to purchase the shares back at an agreed price (or, to look at it another way, allowing other parties to buy more of Clem's shares at an agreed price/under certain circumstances). Those sorts of options wouldn't need to be registered with CH as far as I can tell.

I don't think CH really give a shit about the terms of sale, more where the shareholding is held. Did I imagine it, I only really skimmed it as its getting boring now, but didn't Clems missive of yesterday kind of suggest that this payback/buyback process was already in process to a degree? Yeah 'While most of the money has been repaid and the majority of the shares reclaimed a small minority shareholding remains to these two individuals.' so on that basis it would be interesting to know the respective shareholdings now, not at September last year which is what the CS at CH notes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:54:50
That's not quite true, there might be separate legal agreements allowing Clem to purchase the shares back at an agreed price (or, to look at it another way, allowing other parties to buy more of Clem's shares at an agreed price/under certain circumstances). Those sorts of options wouldn't need to be registered with CH as far as I can tell.
That's true. A good angle I hadn't considered


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 08:59:02
Why, if Standing isn't an Agent any more I am not sure what FA rule this would be in breach of?

So 20% of the club is worth about £3m then?

Its Clem's toy, he can do what he likes, albeit seeing the shit that flies about I can't see him wanting thousands of fans owning shares and getting involved. Plus also worth remembering that fans did own shareholdings until Saint Andrew of Fitton rather fucked them over - in past times this would be the point to hand over to Reg!  :no:

I've always assumed that the debenture needed clearing quickly as I suspect that, understandably, the Eady Trust would not provide the cash for the ground whilst a third party had the opportunity to get their dibs on it (or any asset it purchased) by calling the debt in.

technically no breach at all. But if the result of the FA ruling is that Standing is found guilty and banned from being involved in football club ownership for XX years, then we potentially have an issue - that being said one which can probably be resolved easily no doubt?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:04:59
technically no breach at all. But if the result of the FA ruling is that Standing is found guilty and banned from being involved in football club ownership for XX years, then we potentially have an issue - that being said one which can probably be resolved easily no doubt?

Can't see why, wahtever the ultimate outcome he wasn't banned at the date of the loan, he only owned a comparatively small % of shares way below the 30% noted earlier, albeit on our history with the FA/Fl we will probably get demoted to the Swindon Sunday League... 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:05:40
Can anyone explain what the downsides were to Clem saying, at the point that the debenture became an issue, something along the lines of "In order to secure the CG purchase, the Eady Trust have stipulated that this debenture needs paying off in full (or whatever the exact issue was). In order to do this in the required timeframe I have taken on external investment from X and Y as I believe the ground purchase to be in both the short term and long term interests of the club" or words to that effect? Would fans have had an issue with that?

Alternatively, what were the upsides in the deception route, given the truth was always going to out?

I'm struggling to understand the logic of the lies and can therefore only conclude that it must be part of a bigger, uglier mess.

They could even have buried this message in the PR for the ground purchase itself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:06:57
Surely everyone knew that there were still issues to be addressed after the departure of the power area.
Therefore I ask the question... what could have Morfuni done differently.
Bearing in mind that no other potential purchases were wanting a bar of the club.
Possibly we just need sit back and enjoy the on field football and let this back room crap sort itself out in time.
These type of sharks are in most companies worldwide.
By making a big thing here it is just giving further oxygen and making the situation worse.
 The truth will eventually come out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:07:11
My worry is what happens if either as a result of the court case or the FA case standing is banned from being involved in football (despite no longer being an agent) given his a) proclivity for silently funding football clubs and b) speculated links to Chris keily maybe meaning he may be involved in some of the £2.9m funding


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:09:25
Can anyone explain what the downsides were to Clem saying, at the point that the debenture became an issue, something along the lines of "In order to secure the CG purchase, the Eady Trust have stipulated that this debenture needs paying off in full (or whatever the exact issue was). In order to do this in the required timeframe I have taken on external investment from X and Y as I believe the ground purchase to be in both the short term and long term interests of the club" or words to that effect? Would fans have had an issue with that?

Alternatively, what were the upsides in the deception route, given the truth was always going to out?

I'm struggling to understand the logic of the lies and can therefore only conclude that it must be part of a bigger, uglier mess.

They could even have buried this message in the PR for the ground purchase itself.
Exactly my thoughts. It seemed an eminently sensible way to deal with the debenture. All it did was dilute Clem’s claim to be the 100% owner. And who really cares about that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:19:19
Was it Birmingham who got points deducted last season for allowing people other than those who'd gone through the F&PP tests to run the club? Think there was another example as well... I don't think Town will get away scot-free from it if the court case goes the way some are expecting it to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:20:44
Can anyone explain what the downsides were to Clem saying, at the point that the debenture became an issue, something along the lines of "In order to secure the CG purchase, the Eady Trust have stipulated that this debenture needs paying off in full (or whatever the exact issue was). In order to do this in the required timeframe I have taken on external investment from X and Y as I believe the ground purchase to be in both the short term and long term interests of the club" or words to that effect? Would fans have had an issue with that?

Alternatively, what were the upsides in the deception route, given the truth was always going to out?

I'm struggling to understand the logic of the lies and can therefore only conclude that it must be part of a bigger, uglier mess.

They could even have buried this message in the PR for the ground purchase itself.

I was thinking this or something along the lines of "As going through the debt, the board has found that they have inherited more significant debt than was first realised. Consequently, the club has had to seek external revenue to rapidly pay off a debenture to avoid XYZ." People would have said Clem was skint but the transparency would have largely been taken on well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:23:00
Ego my friend....ego.
Morfuni is not a team player. He wants to be the knight on the large white charger.
That is a quality and not a criticism of the man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:26:53
What I then find stretches the limits of credulity is the suggestion that both Aberdeen and The Trust, who were intimately involved in both the takeover and the ground purchase, and the financials of both, over a period of years, didn't interrogate the immediate payment of £2.9m past Clem walking into a meeting with a presumably novelty-sized cheque and saying "don't worry folks, I've got the money"...

Did that not raise any red flags?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:28:30
Quote from: Mooneyraker
Can anyone explain what the downsides were to Clem saying, at the point that the debenture became an issue, something along the lines of "In order to secure the CG purchase, the Eady Trust have stipulated that this debenture needs paying off in full (or whatever the exact issue was). In order to do this in the required timeframe I have taken on external investment from X and Y as I believe the ground purchase to be in both the short term and long term interests of the club" or words to that effect? Would fans have had an issue with that?

Alternatively, what were the upsides in the deception route, given the truth was always going to out?

I'm struggling to understand the logic of the lies and can therefore only conclude that it must be part of a bigger, uglier mess.

They could even have buried this message in the PR for the ground purchase itself.

you've got me there. no requirement to, but it's the very essence of open and transparent.

might have made us look financially weak I suppose, but we look like that anyway.

it's all very bizarre to my mind.

I was hoping Clem would take on extra investment to invest in the playing side tbh. But that's probably not a good idea with hindsight until we are self sufficient


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:31:17
Problem is even if Morfuni had come out and said he needed cash quickly there would have been those who kicked off about it, even if he had borrowed it from Barclays or Coutts!

I honestly don't know what the way forward is to get beyond the toxicity that has been engulfed much of the relationship between the club and a large swathe of the fan base, there is no obvious exit for Clem as it stands so we just have to get on with it, the Trust own 50% of the ground so they aren't going anywhere however much some moan about them on SM, the club seem unable to muster a coherent story whilst there is a fair few within the fan base whose entire shtick on SM is now to criticise everything and anything.

No doubt a decent season and some sort of promotion push would help, but if Clem no longer has a pot to piss in as many are now suggesting I cannot see that happening, fuck me supporting a shite club has been hard enough over the years, but this is going to a new level now.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 09:43:19
I'm still not sure about the 30% thing. that's a "connected person" and would need the FAPP test. clearly not relevant here

but there's also an "associated party" that does need to be declared but having skim read the rules in still not sure if they fall under 106.2

it'll all shake it in the wash I suppose

www.efl.com/documents/efl-handbook.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiOncLV9OWAAxWxT0EAHc5uA8YQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw23DZDjSKFBEqCCy2dO85ay


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 18, 2023, 10:04:39
He was also mentioned in the legendary Power FA charge:

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/discipline-cases/2015-part-2/the-fa-v-lee-power---8-september-2015.ashx

Power was a charmer.
Lee Power was a charmer as an owner he was Brahma, There aint half been some dodgy bastards....Now that we've had some I'm sure that there's lots more to come....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, August 18, 2023, 10:46:16
So tired of all this.

The sooner the Standing v Power case is heard the better. It may just create the conditions we need for the motley crew of fat bouncers, drug dealers and fraudsters to move on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 18, 2023, 10:47:40
It was so much easier when Ranford was the dodgiest one in the box


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 10:49:06
Quote from: DMC
It was so much easier when Ranford was the dodgiest one in the box

I bet 'dodgier than Ranford' is a thug badge of honour round these parts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:02:32
Club now getting pelters for new partnership with Quinn bet. Whilst not the best timing, I don't personally agree with the large-scale criticism given that the club is playing in SKY BET League 2...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:04:56
Agreed. Shit comms as ever. Just lay low FFS!

But we are talking about an advertising board. It is hardly on the front of the Kid's mini-kits.

Do I like it? Not really. Is it the biggest issue we have at the club? Absolutely not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:05:05
I bet 'dodgier than Ranford' is a thug badge of honour round these parts.

Not even the other dodgy thugs I know of can stand him. Although you could be right, maybe the other ones hanging around our club are the dodgiest of all the thugs. Perfectly plausible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:16:02
and as someone pointed out, alcohol is also addictive to some and yet we have a stand sponsored by a brewery


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:18:06
and as someone pointed out, alcohol is also addictive to some and yet we have a stand sponsored by a brewery
The amount of wankers we have in our fanbase maybe we should be sponsored by Love Honey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:19:07
and as someone pointed out, alcohol is also addictive to some and yet we have a stand sponsored by a brewery

I think Arkells is possibly the longest sponsor of any club in World football (they donated for a stand in 1896) and has rather a different relationship with the town to "QuinnBet" but yes, the argument can be made!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:24:37
Agreed. Shit comms as ever. Just lay low FFS!

But we are talking about an advertising board. It is hardly on the front of the Kid's mini-kits.

Do I like it? Not really. Is it the biggest issue we have at the club? Absolutely not.

I think it will be on boards as well as one of those big poster things covering the seats on the Stratton Bank so won't be completely invisible.

Gambling companies are so divisive at the moment, i'm not really sure where I sit on the matter. As someone who finds being able to control 'vices' easily, i've always found addictions morbidly fascinating. I've been around someone that literally spent all their rent money on a roulette machine in Ladbrokes and seen another friend with a history of bad debt spending hundreds in a casino. I've never really understood why my off switch is set so much lower than other people's, it must be horrific for them.

With that said, we surely have to be careful of other vices that are prevalent in football. Having a few drinks before and after the game (within reason) is part and parcel and Thatchers and Arkells are but 2 companies you can see around the CG on a matchday. Why isn't alcohol treated the same way?

I truly don't know what the answer is, there are problems with gambling, of course there are and people need as much help as possible. The sad fact of the matter is that gambling firms clearly offer a huge income, I think almost half of Premier League sides are sponsored by them. And someone else mentioned the influence Sky Bet has. I do find it funny that 'football good guy' Jeff Stelling has spoken out about gambling issue in the past yet happily will take the lovely Sky Bet dough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:45:57
26% of people in the UK are obese so we should probably ban pies and pasties too.

(I'm not a fan of gambling adverts and don't gamble myself, but where do you draw the line of morality?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:48:29
The hoardings and stand cover were already in place for the Crewe game. Just lay low FFS, take the cash and don't make a song and dance about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:52:18
No fans do meltdowns like Swindon fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 11:52:37
I would presume it was a condition of the deal - in exchange for money you get this.  Not something on my list of things to worry about.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:02:00
No fans do meltdowns like Swindon fans.

I wish they'd show as much passion at the game as they do on social media  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:03:39
The hoardings and stand cover were already in place for the Crewe game. Just lay low FFS, take the cash and don't make a song and dance about it.

I'm far from an expert in selling advertising and sponsorship, but I suspect entering a contract with a sponsor on the basis that you aren't going to talk about it is unlikely to be successful?

No fans do meltdowns like Swindon fans.

There ain't no meltdown like and STFC meltdown (with apologies to S Club 7 (or however many there are now?))


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:03:57
Will we make it to 24hrs of silence from the Trust on share-gate?

You'd hope that there are some reasonably robust conversations taking place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:06:17
Agreed. Shit comms as ever. Just lay low FFS!

But we are talking about an advertising board. It is hardly on the front of the Kid's mini-kits.

Do I like it? Not really. Is it the biggest issue we have at the club? Absolutely not.
As a sponsor though you would want this out there unfortunately. Agree the club should lay low but can't sometimes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:07:22
There's nothing in the public sphere for the trust to talk about, so i'd welcome their silence at the mo.

But yeah, hopefully some discussions about "open and transparent", "September 2022" and something along the lines of "wtf lads?!" is going on


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:14:40
Will we make it to 24hrs of silence from the Trust on share-gate?

You'd hope that there are some reasonably robust conversations taking place.


One would suspect that as a group entirely made up of volunteers for a substantial part of that 24 hours they have been doing foolish things like working, sleeping and spending time with their families.

As per the above no doubt discussions will be happening in the background and if there is anything to say they will say it, l am sure if you as a member have a specific concern/question contact them at https://truststfc.com/contact/ and I am sure they will answer your query.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:19:49
There's nothing in the public sphere for the trust to talk about, so i'd welcome their silence at the mo.

But yeah, hopefully some discussions about "open and transparent", "September 2022" and something along the lines of "wtf lads?!" is going on

I agree. Keep discussing and digging behind the scenes, sure, and I'm sure that's happening. But with all the speculation that gone on in the last couple of days, albeit most of it justified, they don't want to come out and say something that can be misconstrued or is false. This has become too big, I'd rather they were diligent than quick.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:24:00
Agreed, no point rushing something out like Clem did at the Forum!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:32:02
There's still a whole host of unanswered and vital questions that need answering that the Trust should be asking, but completely understand that this won't be quick to compile and ratify so understand if we need to wait some time before they're asked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 12:42:53
Come on then, who keeps ringing Ryan Whelan about this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:02:22
Quote from: horlock07
Come on then, who keeps ringing Ryan Whelan about this.

a dick of the highest order


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:10:39
Yeah and the guy who keeps phoning him ain’t to clever either


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:11:50
Yeah and the guy who keeps phoning him ain’t to clever either

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:19:41
I saw your rant :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Some people on there are so blinkered its unreal

Some people are just calling people liars without even taking an iota of time to understand whats happened  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: its fucking infuriating. Total drips of negative IQ humans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:21:04
Doesnt he run Platinum Security?

Those thugs still being around was something that never sat right with me about the Clem takeover from the start.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:31:58
I hope for our sake that Clem is being transparent as he says when it comes to us pleading mitigation to the EFL- if he isn’t I can see us being hit with a big sanction


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:36:04
I hope for our sake that Clem is being transparent as he says when it comes to us pleading mitigation to the EFL- if he isn’t I can see us being hit with a big sanction

I mean I don't know for certain but I would imagine he will protect himself first before anything else...he's already thrown Angus under the proverbial, whilst knowing it will make RA look a bit silly.

So, you may already have your answer - unfortunately  :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:36:28
I wish they'd show as much passion at the game as they do on social media  ::)

To be fair I’ve found that a lot of people that like to criticise the club for everything they do, don’t actually go to games.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:45:45
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:48:59
To be fair I’ve found that a lot of people that like to criticise the club for everything they do, don’t actually go to games.

I think we have to be careful regarding criticising club and criticising team. I think the former it continuously making it's own bed when it comes to due criticism and can be viewed and critically given by all, regardless of attendance to games.

When it comes to actual team criticism or performance of said team then some form of attendance {in person or online} would be more reasoned than someone who hasn't even read the BBC Sport text commentary for a game.

Ergo, you don't have to attend games in order to criticise the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, August 18, 2023, 13:58:06
Is that some form of a backbone in that statement!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:00:00
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/

Good statement as far as I can tell, just one question. Has Clem already agreed in principle to the meeting, or are the Trust still seeking an agreement in principle?

Otherwise, thank you for the update.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:02:40
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/

Good start.

On the Debenture front, the pressing need to pay got me digging - originally, the public information shared at the time Power and Jed had their face off was that it related to the sale of the business.

Why then did it become pressing only in September 2022?

Clearly the timing, based on the Trust statement, aligns with the legal work being done to fund the purchase of the CG and not the sale of the business itself.

Looking at the Debentures, of which there were actually four in total, it would appear they were secured against everything the club owned, which was not that much, even after sale.  My hypothesis here would be that the imminent purchase by Eady, which would give the company a 50% stake in a Freehold, would have invoked Black & Arbibb exercising their rights to call in the secured debt.  Essentially, the club would have been given an asset over night that would give Black and Arbib a way of getting their money back, calling in their debt or taking control of the 50% owned by the club.  The golden goose (which really is copper at best) would have flown the nest as soon as the ink was dry.

That makes it a choice, one I can well think I would make in the same situation.

It all still reverts back to why on earth they felt the need to keep all of that behind closed doors, especially given the fact Eady was giving them this opportunity alongside the Trust.  You'd think a moral compass would compel you to share that information.

The problem they have created for themselves is that hiding it makes everyone ask - why?  It must mean they have something to hide, will be the general feeling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:03:11
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/

 :thumb:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:04:00
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/
Cheers for posting and great work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:05:16
Problem is even if Morfuni had come out and said he needed cash quickly there would have been those who kicked off about it, even if he had borrowed it from Barclays or Coutts!

There are 10% of people who will never be happy and 10% of people that'll still spread their messages of positivity and support of the owner if the club were being liquidated. Those people on either end are mongs. You've gotta try and satisfy the 80% (ironic) of people in the middle that while might lean more one way or the other, have somewhat of a level head.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:06:51
Club now getting pelters for new partnership with Quinn bet. Whilst not the best timing, I don't personally agree with the large-scale criticism given that the club is playing in SKY BET League 2...

Agree. I get why some people don't like betting sponsorships, but its everywhere and a club like us turning down money while playing in a betting sponsored league would be asinine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:07:47
Fair play, more spike in that Trust statement than many would have expected, whilst still being professional.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:09:17
Yup, it is definitely more robust than the soft soaping of the last two years.

Thanks for the update.

"Establishing the roles and influence of key individuals" should have been done a long time ago, before these people stood to benefit from the generosity of the Eady Trust.

The best thing that can happen now is that this is all confronted head on, and it looks like yesterday's reality enema might have reminded the Trust of their actual role, which isn't to dole out crystal trinkets to 'heroes' or fraternise with ex-cons.

Better late than never.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:14:20
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/

Well done Trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:19:15
a dick of the highest order

Don't be so tough on yourself  ;) :D

Fair play, more spike in that Trust statement than many would have expected, whilst still being professional.

Indeed, albeit no doubt there will be some fumin' that they haven't said that everyone is corrupt or some such nonsense!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:20:55
Yeah and the guy who keeps phoning him ain’t to clever either

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:22:25
Good statement. I wish everyone would drop the phrase ‘open and transparent’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:23:25
Good statement. I wish everyone would drop the phrase ‘open and transparent’

I think it's being used pointedly in the statement no? as in "you promised openness and transparency"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:25:01
I’m sure it is, it just sounds like a catchphrase now. Minor gripe in the scheme of things


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:26:27
Good statement from the trust but this is also a tester for them, many have accused them on cosying up to Clem & Co and being to close so they need to ensure the answers they get are fed back to the fanbase in the correct way (which I'm sure they will).

Will be interesting though what Clem is willing to divulge, you do wonder if there is a reason he was not going to make the share transfer public ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:29:21
I think it is very clear that the people with influence and ownership of the business have a very different view over what Transparency means vs. what the fans/Trust may believe it to mean.  Clem makes that very clear in his statement, where he says he had no intention of sharing the details of this arrangement.

The Trust should approach this differently, not ask for some vague statements or feelings, instead specify the type of transactions they would the request the club agree to share.  Be that types, values etc.  Clem can refuse to do any of that, can negotiate or completely agree, up to him.  But asking for Transparency will get you nothing if you have different definitions that are not even shared.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:29:29
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/18/truststfc-statement-response-to-clem-morfuni-statement-on-companies-house/

Good work. Really good starting point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:31:53
Good start.

On the Debenture front, the pressing need to pay got me digging - originally, the public information shared at the time Power and Jed had their face off was that it related to the sale of the business.

Why then did it become pressing only in September 2022?

Clearly the timing, based on the Trust statement, aligns with the legal work being done to fund the purchase of the CG and not the sale of the business itself.

Looking at the Debentures, of which there were actually four in total, it would appear they were secured against everything the club owned, which was not that much, even after sale.  My hypothesis here would be that the imminent purchase by Eady, which would give the company a 50% stake in a Freehold, would have invoked Black & Arbibb exercising their rights to call in the secured debt.  Essentially, the club would have been given an asset over night that would give Black and Arbib a way of getting their money back, calling in their debt or taking control of the 50% owned by the club.  The golden goose (which really is copper at best) would have flown the nest as soon as the ink was dry.

That makes it a choice, one I can well think I would make in the same situation.

It all still reverts back to why on earth they felt the need to keep all of that behind closed doors, especially given the fact Eady was giving them this opportunity alongside the Trust.  You'd think a moral compass would compel you to share that information.

The problem they have created for themselves is that hiding it makes everyone ask - why?  It must mean they have something to hide, will be the general feeling.

I think we're all assuming the debt was the Andrew Black/Martin Arbib debt. It wouldn't surprise me to find out its something different (or worse entirely made up). Very little would surprise me at this point really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:32:39
Although Clem says the loan have, almost, been repaid, I presume the loans themselves attracted some interest. Nobody is going to loan £3m for a good period of time without getting something - stick it in a basic savers account would get £150,000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:33:09
Would also be good to know if Clem is still fine continuing to fund the club or will he be seeking further investment ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:34:36
Good start.

On the Debenture front, the pressing need to pay got me digging - originally, the public information shared at the time Power and Jed had their face off was that it related to the sale of the business.

Why then did it become pressing only in September 2022?

Clearly the timing, based on the Trust statement, aligns with the legal work being done to fund the purchase of the CG and not the sale of the business itself.

Looking at the Debentures, of which there were actually four in total, it would appear they were secured against everything the club owned, which was not that much, even after sale.  My hypothesis here would be that the imminent purchase by Eady, which would give the company a 50% stake in a Freehold, would have invoked Black & Arbibb exercising their rights to call in the secured debt.  Essentially, the club would have been given an asset over night that would give Black and Arbib a way of getting their money back, calling in their debt or taking control of the 50% owned by the club.  The golden goose (which really is copper at best) would have flown the nest as soon as the ink was dry.

That makes it a choice, one I can well think I would make in the same situation.

It all still reverts back to why on earth they felt the need to keep all of that behind closed doors, especially given the fact Eady was giving them this opportunity alongside the Trust.  You'd think a moral compass would compel you to share that information.

The problem they have created for themselves is that hiding it makes everyone ask - why?  It must mean they have something to hide, will be the general feeling.

I'm not sure that these abound amongst our possible ownership group.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:34:53
Yup, it is definitely more robust than the soft soaping of the last two years.

Thanks for the update.

"Establishing the roles and influence of key individuals" should have been done a long time ago, before these people stood to benefit from the generosity of the Eady Trust.

The best thing that can happen now is that this is all confronted head on, and it looks like yesterday's reality enema might have reminded the Trust of their actual role, which isn't to dole out crystal trinkets to 'heroes' or fraternise with ex-cons.

Better late than never.



Better late than never? Dear lord… Of course, it’s much easier to bash on a keyboard behind an online name representing yourself. You forget the Trust represents the entire fanbase.

There are 11 board members, all with full time jobs, with a lot of information being revealed with no pre-warning, time needed to work through what has been said, assess a range of options on how best to strategically move forward, discuss as a board and agree the next steps.

Before you type, stop and have a think. Just because you demand something immediately and it doesn’t happen, doesn’t mean nothing is happening. Of course, you could always join the Trust, stand for election, roll up your sleeves and put those keyboard warrior fingers to some better use?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:35:53
Will be interesting though what Clem is willing to divulge, you do wonder if there is a reason he was not going to make the share transfer public ?

Does Clem know we have Companies House in this country? Does something similar not exist in Australia? Seems incredibly naive to think it was never going to come out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:37:54
Better late than never? Dear lord… Of course, it’s much easier to bash on a keyboard behind an online name representing yourself. You forget the Trust represents the entire fanbase.

There are 11 board members, all with full time jobs, with a lot of information being revealed with no pre-warning, time needed to work through what has been said, assess a range of options on how best to strategically move forward, discuss as a board and agree the next steps.

Before you type, stop and have a think. Just because you demand something immediately and it doesn’t happen, doesn’t mean nothing is happening. Of course, you could always join the Trust, stand for election, roll up your sleeves and put those keyboard warrior fingers to some better use?

I think you've misunderstood, or I haven't been clear. I mean 'better late than never' that the roles and influence of key individuals are established.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:40:42
I think we're all assuming the debt was the Andrew Black/Martin Arbib debt. It wouldn't surprise me to find out its something different (or worse entirely made up). Very little would surprise me at this point really.

It was their debt - four Debentures all satisfied on 30th September 2022.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:48:07
It was their debt - four Debentures all satisfied on 30th September 2022.

Confirmed on CH? Thanks for clarifying. Makes me trust Clem a little more knowing that is actually true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:55:07
mid-table mediocrity going forward then ladies and gents! ;)



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 14:58:06
It was their debt - four Debentures all satisfied on 30th September 2022.

Confirmed on CH? Thanks for clarifying. Makes me trust Clem a little more knowing that is actually true.

I really don't have the time not ability to go back and check but I would be amazed if this wasn't actually clarified on this very thread at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:02:59
Yes, registered on Companies House - three for Arbib and one for Black.  All satisfied on the same day, with the same legal firm filing the notification.

As I hypothesised - it would make sense they HAD to be satisfied to ensure they didn't immediately lose the 50% share of the CG they were about to be gifted, given that was held as security for the Debentures.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:03:21
I think we're all assuming the debt was the Andrew Black/Martin Arbib debt. It wouldn't surprise me to find out its something different (or worse entirely made up). Very little would surprise me at this point really.
That debenture was reported in the accounts for years and was believed to be triggered on the sale of the club or ground redevelopment.

If the rumours, Lee Power bought the debenture off Andrew Black are true, it sounds like he then played hardball seeking repayment. It was either pay it off or refuse to pay and risk administration or another court case.

Clem has put in the best part of £10m clearing old debts but is getting a kicking for borrowing £3M from his 'mates' despite now owning 50% of the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:05:40
Thanks for clarifying. Didn't realise this was part of the public record.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:10:43
That debenture was reported in the accounts for years and was believed to be triggered on the sale of the club or ground redevelopment.

If the rumours, Lee Power bought the debenture off Andrew Black are true, it sounds like he then played hardball seeking repayment. It was either pay it off or refuse to pay and risk administration or another court case.

Clem has put in the best part of £10m clearing old debts but is getting a kicking for borrowing £3M from his 'mates' despite now owning 50% of the ground.

If Power ever believed he purchased them, he certainly never updated Companies House.  All four remained unchanged until they were satisfied in September last year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:12:59
Honestly satisfying the black debt should be something we should be really happy and shouting about positively (when the loan is paid back). The fact its turned in to this just shows what a colossal foot in mouth moment its been.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:14:11
So without Clem managing to scare up £3m from his mates Power would have got his grubby mitts on 50% of the CG.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:14:39
That debenture was reported in the accounts for years and was believed to be triggered on the sale of the club or ground redevelopment.

If the rumours, Lee Power bought the debenture off Andrew Black are true, it sounds like he then played hardball seeking repayment. It was either pay it off or refuse to pay and risk administration or another court case.

Clem has put in the best part of £10m clearing old debts but is getting a kicking for borrowing £3M from his 'mates' despite now owning 50% of the ground.
That's the thing though, some of the people asking the questions have absolutely no problem with Clem having to borrow money to satisfy the Debentures, that's not the issue some people have.

The issue is with the 'open and transparency' line Clem has continually peddled, only to then bare face lie about how this debenture was satisfied afterwards and the impact this had on him being the 100% shareholder of the club, something again he hasn't been honest about.

Him 'saving' the club doesn't excuse him from that and if the exact same was to have occurred under Power, the outrage would have been even louder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:20:23
So without Clem managing to scare up £3m from his mates Power would have got his grubby mitts on 50% of the CG.
'
I don't think so, it still looked like it was Black and Arbib to me.  Powers claim may well have been bullshit, or related to another one (there have been over 40 in our time, but not sure any of the dates I looked at aligned).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:38:09
I'd lean towards the Power buying the debt thing being horse shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:40:06
So without Clem managing to scare up £3m from his mates Power would have got his grubby mitts on 50% of the CG.

I suspect its more like without Clem managing to scare up £3m from his mates no one would have got the cash form the Eady trust and Swindon Council would still be the proud owners of a football ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:47:26
Honestly satisfying the black debt should be something we should be really happy and shouting about positively (when the loan is paid back). The fact its turned in to this just shows what a colossal foot in mouth moment its been.

The more I read on this thread the more convinced I am Clem did absolutely the right & best thing for this football in borrowing the money needed in return for shares. I think that is now a pretty universal opinion.

The need to hide it still seems a bit odd to me.

It’s almost coming across now Clem’s too proud to admit he needed help and hoped no one would notice.

Think now the worst thing in this thread is that odious cunt Ranford is still knocking about. About time someone gave him a good kicking…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:52:35
The more I read on this thread the more convinced I am Clem did absolutely the right & best thing for this football in borrowing the money needed in return for shares. I think that is now a pretty universal opinion.

The need to hide it still seems a bit odd to me.

It’s almost coming across now Clem’s too proud to admit he needed help and hoped no one would notice.

Think now the worst thing in this thread is that odious cunt Ranford is still knocking about. About time someone gave him a good kicking…

Yeah, agree on both fronts.

Why the fuck is he knocking about? And our illustrious matchday guest. I'm glad Adam Hart hasn't been seen or heard of for a while, at least that is one thing.

Clem needs to do what he can to cut these chancers out ASAP to win a lot of people over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:59:08
The more I read on this thread the more convinced I am Clem did absolutely the right & best thing for this football in borrowing the money needed in return for shares. I think that is now a pretty universal opinion.

The need to hide it still seems a bit odd to me.

It’s almost coming across now Clem’s too proud to admit he needed help and hoped no one would notice.


I suspect there is a bit of ego but also a bit of realising that in business he probably didn't want anyone knowing he was struggling, plus I suspect there was also a suspicion that it would cause absolute uproar, which it rather has.

The fact that it has shown up on CH suggests that its all rather more above board than things have been done previously, albeit may have been an idea to do some softening up before the Confirmation Statement was lodged.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:08:09
£2.9m cash is hardly small change to find on short notice though, is it? Its hardly that damning of Clem to have to lend it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:10:24
£2.9m cash is hardly small change to find on short notice though, is it? Its hardly that damning of Clem to have to lend it.

Agreed. The strangest thing is who he seems to have chosen to borrow it from...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:13:11
Quote from: Nemo
Agreed. The strangest thing is who he seems to have chosen to borrow it from...

and felt the need not to mention it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:24:54
Not mentioned in the Jan 23 AB notes, just the 2.95m debenture down to zero in the debt table.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:38:05
Agreed. The strangest thing is who he seems to have chosen to borrow it from...
Couldn’t have been that many to choose from.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Laddy in Red on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:45:02
It's possible the other parties didn't want it announced and was therefore a condition of the loan. Who the fuck knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, August 18, 2023, 16:48:55
Couldn’t have been that many to choose from.
Even so, why did he hide it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 17:15:34
Well, that’s really the only question that needs answering.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, August 18, 2023, 17:17:58
Well, that’s really the only question that needs answering.

Nope, it’s when it became public knowledge why did he feel the need to basically deny it by saying it’s a mistake?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 18, 2023, 17:54:04
One answer will cover both those questions I think


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 18, 2023, 19:08:17
I know we've had a lot of bad news this week already but the Cheltenham fan is asking about being elected to the Trust board...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 18, 2023, 19:41:05
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Well, that’s really the only question that needs answering.

Would the money have been released if it was known?

I can't see why not, but it was mentioned elsewhere


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, August 18, 2023, 19:50:25
Even so, why did he hide it?

Perhaps it was good old pride?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Friday, August 18, 2023, 19:54:13
Perhaps it was good old pride?

Not a satisfactory answer, but certainly plausible


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 18, 2023, 20:07:24
If Power ever believed he purchased them, he certainly never updated Companies House.  All four remained unchanged until they were satisfied in September last year.
Yeah it was a bit of an old wives tale that one that he bought them. Cunt couldn't afford to pay for a kit let alone 2.9m of debentures


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 18, 2023, 20:11:08
Yeah, agree on both fronts.

Why the fuck is he knocking about? And our illustrious matchday guest. I'm glad Adam Hart hasn't been seen or heard of for a while, at least that is one thing.

Clem needs to do what he can to cut these chancers out ASAP to win a lot of people over.
You won't be able to do much about Ranford. His dad pays for exec season tickets he has been going in there since he was about 5 with his nan. He is merely a fan and not financially close to the club at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 01:00:34
You won't be able to do much about Ranford. His dad pays for exec season tickets he has been going in there since he was about 5 with his nan. He is merely a fan and not financially close to the club at all

I guess he has the right to be there as a paying fan (when not in prison) but doesn’t make him any less of a vile human.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 05:42:33
I guess he has the right to be there as a paying fan (when not in prison) but doesn’t make him any less of a vile human.

Who is ranford?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 05:47:27
So, by the trusts statement clem has played a blinder. 50% of the ground having lent £2.95 million & kept it on the down low. I guess this is what happens when you dance with the devil.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 05:48:50
Who is ranford?

Someone I hope isn’t involved at the club, a very nasty piece of work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 05:50:46
Who is ranford?

…all you need to go is google him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 06:02:02
…all you need to go is google him.

Canadian hockey player was top of my list on Google.
Lots of Ranfords online and I need to be at the butchers for 8.
Can we narrow it down to perhaps a Christian name aswell please?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 06:08:29
Canadian hockey player was top of my list on Google.
Lots of Ranfords online and I need to be at the butchers for 8.
Can we narrow it down to perhaps a Christian name aswell please?

Jason


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 06:46:02
Canadian hockey player was top of my list on Google.
Lots of Ranfords online and I need to be at the butchers for 8.
Can we narrow it down to perhaps a Christian name aswell please?
Bill Ranford was a decent goalie for the Edmonton Oilers. Remember him coming to the Washington Capitals (my team) late in his career. But, he was replaced by 'Ollie the goalie' (Olaf Kolzig) in the playoffs. Kolzig then went on to be a bit of a legend for the Caps!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 07:30:58
Who is ranford?

This waste of oxygen:

https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/jealous-possessive-jailed-assault-wife/



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 13:24:20
One thing that eats away at me a bit is Clem is a property developer- always makes me suspicious when ground development round the corner……

Once the court case is settled- the pressure for him to get another investor on board to invest in the team will be compelling


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, August 19, 2023, 13:34:56
One thing that eats away at me a bit is Clem is a property developer- always makes me suspicious when ground development round the corner……

Of course he is interested and he will likely finance some if it and will likely know how do this cheaper than someone with no knowledge, one of his Axis men is in charge of the redevelopment, but it is 50/50 with the Trust.

Clem isn't dodgy, he has done something that requires further information and explanation, and I'm sure at some point further info will be disclosed, I have confidence the trust will find and reveal what they discuss.

You would hope his relationship with the trust has been rocked as well, he banged on about openness and transparency and how the only real debt was to him and he was not charging interest, and the Trust with everyone else believed him.  So for Clem to go forward he has bridges to build with everyone.

He is no Power or Jed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 21, 2023, 13:28:15
I hope that this doesn't come across as mindless Trust bashing, as it isn't intended to be, but the latest 'Dan the Fan' column on their site (https://truststfc.com/2023/08/21/dan-the-fan-never-fall-for-a-loan-player/) contained the following line:

Also, this week we saw the news regarding other parties owing shares in Swindon Town without the knowledge of many people inside and outside the club.

The Trust were 100% spot on in their most recent statement regarding this issue and questions need to be answered.

There is no hiding the fact this news does sour the taste of the Clem Morfuni era at Town, but after everything he has invested into our football club, we need to trust he has the best intentions for Swindon Town.


I'm sure the defence will be that these aren't necessarily the views of the Trust itself, as per the article by Mr "I want to buy Zav a pint", but it is scary to me that anyone could still be saying this in any Trust-approved or endorsed capacity after the events of this week.

Wake up people, and I say that sincerely. Please. Just be alive to the possibility that maybe we don't just need to blindly trust that he has the best intentions, especially when this week we have found out that what 'he has invested' is a contentious issue in its own right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, August 21, 2023, 13:32:25
Dan the Fan is not a Trust board member, and has always been about as happy clappy as it gets, and if I may be a bit unkind, not particularly consistent in his arguments - the sentence before the one you have in bold fully endorses the Trusts most recent statement, which is clearly not "blind trust".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 21, 2023, 13:35:02
One thing that eats away at me a bit is Clem is a property developer- always makes me suspicious when ground development round the corner……

Once the court case is settled- the pressure for him to get another investor on board to invest in the team will be compelling
Is he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 21, 2023, 13:39:15
Is he?

No as it stands to date he is a plumbing/M&E contractor, but like everything with this whole sorry saga its just another example of how if things get said often enough on SM they become FACT.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 21, 2023, 13:43:22
Quote from: Mooneyraker
after everything he has invested into our football club, we need to trust he has the best intentions for Swindon Town

see that's where I started before this came out. Despite having 'characters' around the club I thought he himself was ok.

This thing has destroyed that. It's very much a question of trust. I am now questioning everything he's said.

Not that what I do has a bearing on anything


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 21, 2023, 13:53:13
On the plus side, at least they are paying off bills and buying the stadium with it and not training grounds mercedes and paying advisors 5k a  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Never a dull moment here


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:05:31
Well yeah there is that. God Jed and his mercs. That really was the first hint of a what a fucking mess Black and Arbib left us in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:09:58
Well yeah there is that. God Jed and his mercs. That really was the first hint of a what a fucking mess Black and Arbib left us in.

What was that...? I must have memory-holed it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:29:46
Ged took out shit loads of leases on mercs and so did Power. Pretty sure they were still mentioned in up to date munutes. If i remember rightly we couldn't find them and they were in Switzerland :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:32:38
Ged took out shit loads of leases on mercs and so did Power. Pretty sure they were still mentioned in up to date munutes. If i remember rightly we couldn't find them and they were in Switzerland :doh:

William Patey has a lot to answer for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:33:13
Yeah, I read that they were found there. Not sure if it was a joke but I wouldn't be surprised


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:36:40
Another day, yet another sponsor

‘ Swindon Town are delighted to announce that Fiesta de Cuba have become our new added time sponsor for the 2023/2024 season.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:46:19
How long before the County ground is renamed!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:47:40
How long before the County ground is renamed!

Isn't it the Energy Check County Ground already?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:48:41
Nah not anymore but we have been trying to get a stadium name since the Danny Lee days


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:56:51
I’ve got it on very good authority it’s going to be the Paddy Power stadium.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 21, 2023, 14:59:53
hahaha.

'Today's game at the "paddy power gamble responsibly" stadium'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:05:00
I’ve got it on very good authority it’s going to be the Paddy Power stadium.

As long as I get some free bets out of it I'd be happy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:05:11
Another day, yet another sponsor

‘ Swindon Town are delighted to announce that Fiesta de Cuba have become our new added time sponsor for the 2023/2024 season.’

That's the bar tab sorted


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:06:40
I’ve got it on very good authority it’s going to be the Paddy Power stadium.

There used to be a Bookies in the North Stand, didn't there?  The joy of the uproar crowd - it's in our history, lets have a bookies on every corner (assuming the old Brentford effort of pubs is beyond us).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:08:09
I loved that bookies. I asked if i could turn it into a pop up shop on matchdays for local businesses


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:09:32
There used to be a Bookies in the North Stand, didn't there?  The joy of the uproar crowd - it's in our history, lets have a bookies on every corner (assuming the old Brentford effort of pubs is beyond us).

Used to be one in the Nationwide too if I remember rightly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:10:40
Lucas Paqueta who is being investigated by the FA for betting taking a penalty yesterday....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3_l955XMAAR0UI?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:16:48
Quote from: RobertT
There used to be a Bookies in the North Stand, didn't there?.

Definitely one in the Intel. Used to have Teletext scored up on a TV iirc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:20:37
The bookie in the DRS / Intel did a runner didn't he?

Can't remember the details.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:41:17
The bookie in the DRS / Intel did a runner didn't he?

Can't remember the details.

I never knew that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:43:17
There used to be a Bookies in the North Stand, didn't there?  The joy of the uproar crowd - it's in our history, lets have a bookies on every corner (assuming the old Brentford effort of pubs is beyond us).

Had one where the pop up shop in the Stratton Bank corner of the DRS for years and years late 90s early 2000s, then I remember a window towards the town end side of the Arkells had one in more recent years too.

Makes sense. I'm sure some would kick off but I'd probably have an impulsive late ten sheet on a goal scorer just before kick off or something.

Money on the table.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:44:15
The bookie in the DRS / Intel did a runner didn't he?

Can't remember the details.
I backed him, he still came last


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, August 21, 2023, 15:47:49
I remember leaving the Intel stand as a kid and he was refusing to pay out for something and some matey looked like he was going to smash his teeth in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, August 21, 2023, 16:10:00
I never knew that!
Used to be one at the end of the building next to where winners are now,  favourite haunt of Peter Coyne. Saw him in there many a time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:22:37
Interesting update on the club who who page.

Chairman/Majority Shareholder: Clem Morfuni

Other Significant interests (as defined in the EFL regulations): Christopher Kiely & Hollie Kiely


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:23:33
How significant?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:27:10
No idea.

Interesting Paladorio name is gone though


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:29:38
No idea.

Interesting Paladorio name is gone though

It’s all as clear as mud.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:30:20
How significant?

About 20% I'm guessing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:30:31
No idea.

Interesting Paladorio name is gone though

Yeah that is weird.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:32:38
Interesting update on the club who who page.

Chairman/Majority Shareholder: Clem Morfuni

Other Significant interests (as defined in the EFL regulations): Christopher Kiely & Hollie Kiely

Another mistake you’d imagine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:41:32
Is this just another ‘omission’? Clem obviously knows this things come out fairly quickly. Why not just explain the situation, what Kiely’s role is and his part in the club going forward


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:42:02
Another mistake you’d imagine.

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:47:14
Yeah that is weird.
Think he has been paid back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:52:32
Seebeck 87 Limited has been issued a 'First Gazette' strike off notice. Noticed it's accounts have been overdue for a while.

Where it fits in the lovely structure of Swin is it owns the club, but Seebeck itself is owned by Swinton Reds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:54:36
Just checked the EFL Regulations - “Significant interest” is defined as 10% or more of a share class with voting rights…”
So the two named must presumably own at least 20% of the total shares between them.
If they were / are security against a loan to pay off the debentures this suggests that not a lot of it has been repaid, despite the Club’s (Clem’s) statement last week. Shifted between other parties appears to be all that’s happened if Parladorio was listed but isn’t now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:57:32
worth pointing out we needed to declare to the league anybody holding a significant interest.

the definition fyi is


"‘Significant Interest’ means the holding and/or possession of the legal or beneficial interest in, and/or the ability to exercise the voting rights applicable to, shares or other
securities in the Club which confer in aggregate on the holder(s) thereof ten (10) per
cent or more of the total voting rights exercisable in respect of the shares of any class of
shares of the Club. All or part of any such interest may be held directly or indirectly or by
contract including, but not limited to, by way of membership of any Concert Party, and
any rights or powers held by an Associate, Nominee or Connected Person shall be included
for the purposes of determining whether an interest or interests amounts to a ‘Significant
Interest’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 18:59:55
Great, so we’ve fallen foul of that, which I’m sure will be taken into account when the Standing/Power shitshow resolves.

I am absolutely sick and tired of this shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:02:19
Great, so we’ve fallen foul of that, which I’m sure will be taken into account when the Standing/Power shitshow resolves.

I am absolutely sick and tired of this shit.
Huh what have they fallen foul of? not broke any rules have they? Whats it got to do with the others as well


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:03:57
Yeah, not sure the Kiely's will cause the EFL any significant heartburn.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:07:26
Huh what have they fallen foul of? not broke any rules have they? Whats it got to do with the others as well

We seemingly needed to declare people with a significant interest in the club, which given we fans knew nothing about them, you'd suspect the same is true of the EFL.

And the reason that it is relevant is that Clem's supposed defence for why the club shouldn't be hit with a points deduction for Standing/Power is that the page has been turned, it is new owners, #WeHaveOurClubBack etc.

I suspect the EFL might be less sympathetic to that argument if shady shit is still going on, which it seems to be.

Happy to be corrected on any of that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:08:13
Actually, that got me thinking, could we do a low brow (Channel 5 maybe?) football ownership reality show, to ride the coat tails of Disney....

The Kiely's - Coming to Swindon (A person of influences take on partial club ownership and working around the CEO)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:09:05
When do we get the next set of minutes from the Monthly Box Ticking Charade Advisory Board?

Perhaps they had to go back and re-do this latest one in light of the new information...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:10:10
Peterborough got in trouble for failing to declare a person of significant interest. Given we've only just done it rather than when we should have back in 2022, we'd surely fall foul of the rules. Their punishment was £50k fine and suspended 3 point deduction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:10:21
Actually, that got me thinking, could we do a low brow (Channel 5 maybe?) football ownership reality show, to ride the coat tails of Disney....

The Kiely's - Coming to Swindon (A person of influences take on partial club ownership and working around the CEO)

This sounds a better pitch than Big Ron's Gone Iffy.

Perhaps we can get Rob Angus on The Diary of a CEO?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:28:20
Peterborough got in trouble for failing to declare a person of significant interest. Given we've only just done it rather than when we should have back in 2022, we'd surely fall foul of the rules. Their punishment was £50k fine and suspended 3 point deduction.
How does anybody know at what date someone became a person with ‘significant interest’ in a club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:32:11
How does anybody know at what date someone became a person with ‘significant interest’ in a club?
The confirmation statement confirms the >10% of shares in Swinton Reds went to the Kielys on 30.09.2022, Hollie would have at least become person of significant interest on that date, if the rule is it's 10% or more of shares to become a significant person.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:37:47
Can anyone remember if Kiely had a connection to Power?

Did their horses share the same trainer or something?

Trying to recall at what point he entered the wire-diagram of joy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:42:29
Didn’t he come as a package with SDM?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:44:28
Didn’t he come as a package with SDM?

Pretty sure he was the man that wanted SDM in, as was here before him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:48:23
Can anyone remember if Kiely had a connection to Power?

Did their horses share the same trainer or something?

Trying to recall at what point he entered the wire-diagram of joy.
Power had his horses trained by Sean Curran - hence the fiasco with Taylor Curran.

I’ve had a look and there seems no crossover in horse racing terms between Power/Kiely


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:54:03
Power had his horses trained by Sean Curran - hence the fiasco with Taylor Curran.

I’ve had a look and there seems no crossover in horse racing terms between Power/Kiely

I can’t see one obviously either.

We know “Zav” was around before. Did Hart come in post Power? I don’t remember him beforehand.

I’m just trying to remind myself of the chronology.

Kiely may have been spectacularly successful but I wonder how many other 34 year old former lower league reserve goalkeepers have over £1m to put into a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:59:49
Quote from: Mooneyraker
Great, so we’ve fallen foul of that, which I’m sure will be taken into account when the Standing/Power shitshow resolves.

I am absolutely sick and tired of this shit.

potentially, but not definitely.

Quote
114 Disclosure and Publication of Ownership
114.1 A Club shall forthwith give notice to The League if any Person either directly or indirectly:
114.1.1 holds: or
114.1.2 acquires; or
114.1.3 having held or acquired, ceases to hold,
any Significant Interest in the Club.


I think it must be a requirement to also state  significant interest on the website as other clubs do too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 06:58:11
Hello all!

I saw that my mentioning of Kiely on a recent episode of LSPOD created a bit of conversation here. I've sort of withdrawn from social media quite a bit over the last few months so I hadn't realised that this was an unanswered aspect of the club set-up nor do I think anything is in any way sinister here.

Chris 'CK' Kiely has been on the scene a little while and is a regular at the CG (including last season). He's not hid away etc. sometimes even high-fiving players post-match and all that.

Kiely, I believe, aspires to achieve things in football akin to what Brentford and Brighton have done. Sandro Di Michele is his friend/colleague from the racing world and that's how he's ended up here. If it goes well, huzzah! If it goes badly then Kiely and Di Michele go back to the drawing board but Swindon Town are left in League 2.

My concern, which has also been raised by various posters on here over the last couple months, has only ever been why has Morfuni et al given so much responsibility to relative football rookies?

The answer to this is probably 'because he's the owner and can do whatever he damned well likes' which is fair enough to a degree but he will be left to answer this if it was to not work out (which is no different to any project/experiment).

This isn't a 'I told you so' message (because I was being cryptic instead of being clearer than I could/should have been) but I'm bumping this because, as I said in September last year, Kiely has been very present for a long time.

The rumours around his role vary but one consistent that I've heard since before he time of the above is that he has a level of control at Swindon that might not be legally binding but enough for Morfuni to not be able to run the club like a 100% owner would normally.

It's very hard to discuss this sort of stuff when things are going very well. You get pelters/abuse for being negative or not ever being happy etc. especially during this Morfuni era because fans have been so passionately in favour of him after the shitshow of the Summer of '21.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 07:09:28
Any idea how he became involved in the first place, Rich?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Laddy in Red on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 07:14:40
Thanks Rich. Superficialy it doesn't appear to be a bad thing thing to have Keily around but the secrecy makes it suspicious. Hopefully a Clem statement will give us half the story soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 07:27:54
Quote from: Costanza
It's very hard to discuss this sort of stuff when things are going very well. You get pelters/abuse for being negative or not ever being happy etc. especially during this Morfuni era because fans have been so passionately in favour of him after the shitshow of the Summer of '21.

You might want to stay away from the Facebook group!
--
I found it 'interesting' that the person who brought in such a fuck up as SDM was still around the club. Latest events obviously make sense of that.

Have you any idea how long Adam Hart has been around and what they link is (Kiely, Austin, Clem?).. I have a similar question about him, but because of fuck up but because the role his company was providing to mum understanding is now in house (as it's he is I read the AB notes right).

Just trying to work out in my head who other than Clem and Austin were around from the power era


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 07:34:39
The official line on Hart was he was brought in on matters of Strength and Conditioning, which was a success, but they've all gone to Colchester and Crawley now but he remains around because of Sonny Hart (seemingly enough to secure the level of access he has - not sure that's a given for U18 parents usually?)

I'm not prepared to discuss some individuals mentioned unless I am 100% sure on what I type.

Might sound hyperbolic but that's a risk that I'm willing to take.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 07:40:23
That's fair enough rich. Thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 07:54:26
I'm not prepared to discuss some individuals mentioned unless I am 100% sure on what I type.

Might sound hyperbolic but that's a risk that I'm willing to take.
Can't argue with that.


I think it must be a requirement to also state  significant interest on the website as other clubs do too.
Correct

114.6 Each Club shall publish the identities of the ultimate owner (Person, not Entity) of each
Significant Interest in the Club (as that term is defined Rule 1.1 of Appendix 3). That
information shall as a minimum be published on the Club’s official website on a page
accessible directly from the home page of that official club website.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:04:07
I can’t see one obviously either.

We know “Zav” was around before. Did Hart come in post Power? I don’t remember him beforehand.

I’m just trying to remind myself of the chronology.

Kiely may have been spectacularly successful but I wonder how many other 34 year old former lower league reserve goalkeepers have over £1m to put into a football club.

Zav and Power absolutely despised each other. I don't think Clem has the club without Zav, hence the fact Zav has stuck around in an 'unofficial' capacity. I'm not sure Clem and Zav are particularly great friends, however.

Hart is (or was) a part of Ricky Mcfarlane's fitness and conditioning squad. During that 21/22 season he was pretty popular with the players and you could normally see him wandering around. Actually spoke to him once (didn't realise it was him) and he was perfectly pleasant. I'm not sure of his level of involvement any more.

Kiely is an odd one. There's a perfectly good chance he's totally legitimate, wants the best for the club and is good at what he does. What irks me is why he was kept quiet, or why the club are a bit shady about him. It just fuels distrust, particularly in a fan base that has been through a lot. People being tying everyone to Power because they're involved in horse racing is a little odd.... A lot of people in that world. Pretty sure Charlie Austin is involved, and I don't think he and Power are buddies.

As is normally the case with these things, you have a section of supporters who think everything is great and a section who are putting out every conspiracy theory going. The truth is normally somewhere in the middle. I still do genuinely believe Clem is genuine in what he wants, but perhaps he's a bitten off a little more than he can chew. Also the people he surrounds himself with make it hard to trust him 100%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:08:43
Zav and Power absolutely despised each other. I don't think Clem has the club without Zav, hence the fact Zav has stuck around in an 'unofficial' capacity. I'm not sure Clem and Zav are particularly great friends, however.

Kiely is an odd one. There's a perfectly good chance he's totally legitimate, wants the best for the club and is good at what he does. What irks me is why he was kept quiet, or why the club are a bit

Your summary of the relationships between Power/Austin (at the end) and Austin/Morfuni are in line with what I'm told.

I suppose, hypothetically, you then ask the question:

Which side is Chris Kiely on and how does that impact the club?

(...and this era has been very much about sides)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:09:36
Liam Wells, a young boxer trained by Adam Hart, was wearing a Swindon logo on his tracksuit in January 2019, which suggests some kind of association dates back to then at least.

https://www.boxingscene.com/liam-wells-tipped-big-things-by-coach-adam-hart--135183


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:13:58
Can anyone explain what the downsides were to Clem saying, at the point that the debenture became an issue, something along the lines of "In order to secure the CG purchase, the Eady Trust have stipulated that this debenture needs paying off in full (or whatever the exact issue was). In order to do this in the required timeframe I have taken on external investment from X and Y as I believe the ground purchase to be in both the short term and long term interests of the club" or words to that effect? Would fans have had an issue with that?

Alternatively, what were the upsides in the deception route, given the truth was always going to out?

I'm struggling to understand the logic of the lies and can therefore only conclude that it must be part of a bigger, uglier mess.

They could even have buried this message in the PR for the ground purchase itself.

My position for now remains the above.

Clem seems like a genuinely good guy but for some reason or other he is in completely over his head with a seriously unpleasant crowd and is tying himself in knots trying to keep the truth from getting out there.

I'm not prepared to put that down to shoddy comms.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:18:25
Seebeck 87 Limited has been issued a 'First Gazette' strike off notice. Noticed it's accounts have been overdue for a while.

Where it fits in the lovely structure of Swin is it owns the club, but Seebeck itself is owned by Swinton Reds.

Kieran McGuire shared something on Twitter about Hamilton Academicals also being given that notice. I assume it's done for all companies the same time of the year as the dates completely aligned. 29th August I think is the deadline. In Hamilton's case he said it was likely just some shoddy filing of paperword rather than anything sinister.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:23:53
This isn't a 'I told you so' message (because I was being cryptic instead of being clearer than I could/should have been) but I'm bumping this because, as I said in September last year, Kiely has been very present for a long time.

The rumours around his role vary but one consistent that I've heard since before he time of the above is that he has a level of control at Swindon that might not be legally binding but enough for Morfuni to not be able to run the club like a 100% owner would normally.

It's very hard to discuss this sort of stuff when things are going very well. You get pelters/abuse for being negative or not ever being happy etc. especially during this Morfuni era because fans have been so passionately in favour of him after the shitshow of the Summer of '21.

Appreciate the input Rich, fwiw that's broadly aligned with some things I'd been hearing also. As with a lot of things behind the scenes down at SN1, it's difficult to know what's truth from fiction.

I'm always loath (excuse the pun) to criticise, but if this indeed true, then you have to start questioning the due diligence of the Trust on Clem and the continued rhetoric that he was, and always has been 100% owner. The open and honest mantra, whilst sounding like manna from heaven, looks to be wildly bent out of shape.

Where does the potential house of cards go from now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:31:13

Where does the potential house of cards go from now?
Guess a lot of it depends on the share transfer agreement details and rights between Kiely and Morfuni. If there's pre-emption rights again, like there was in Clems agreement with Power, we are potentially stuck in the constant doomcycle of only being able to sell to the minority shareholder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:32:30
My thoughts on Clem have always remained relatively unchanged. I think he's a genuinely good guy that wants the best for the football club. His influence on getting Lee Power out of the club, whilst often mocked by some in certain circumstances, shouldn't be forgotten. That said, the hangers on, who I'm assuming want their pound of flesh, just are not going away. I'm guessing that Clem absolutely does not want them there as the open and honest thing can never really work with Zav Austin continually appearing in the director's box etc.

Unfortunately it seems that Clem's finances are now extremely stretched and he has had no other option than to seek third party help. Unfortunately that means more hangers on and I assume hinders any future sale of the club as the market value is likely to be inflated to be able to pay these guys off?

The irony is of course, is that a lot of the football on the pitch this season has been tremendous, and there really does seem to be a huge buzz about Flynn and what he's looking to build.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:34:34
Quote from: Bob's Orange
Where does the potential house of cards go from now?

Anywhere from sorting out finances and progressing the club to a change of ownership.

aka: no fucking idea!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:38:47
Kieran McGuire shared something on Twitter about Hamilton Academicals also being given that notice. I assume it's done for all companies the same time of the year as the dates completely aligned. 29th August I think is the deadline. In Hamilton's case he said it was likely just some shoddy filing of paperword rather than anything sinister.

It just relates to a certain amount of time having passed since documents were due, it may be shoddy paperwork, it may be that they have restructured things and don't need Seebeck sitting in the ownership chain any more, it always seemed odd/overcomplicated without having the full story  having Swinton>Seebeck>STFC Ltd. IIRC the debentures were signed up to when Jed took over using Seebeck as the vehicle, it may be that as they have now gone Seebeck isn't needed any more and will just be allowed to die a death?

Appreciate the input Rich, fwiw that's broadly aligned with some things I'd been hearing also. As with a lot of things behind the scenes down at SN1, it's difficult to know what's truth from fiction.

I'm always loath (excuse the pun) to criticise, but if this indeed true, then you have to start questioning the due diligence of the Trust on Clem and the continued rhetoric that he was, and always has been 100% owner. The open and honest mantra, whilst sounding like manna from heaven, looks to be wildly bent out of shape.

Where does the potential house of cards go from now?

I am not sure how much due diligence one can do based on rumours.

I haven't been keeping fully up with this (I really cannot eat that much popcorn) what is the problem with Kiely having a shareholding (bar the supporters not being told), I could sort of understand the Harding issues (albeit if he isn't an Agent any more not really sure what they are now), but what has Kiely done to suggest he is a wrong 'un?

Does the house of cards need to go anywhere, we are a football club playing football, god forbid we are actually playing football OK at the moment which makes a nice change?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:45:06
It just relates to a certain amount of time having passed since documents were due, it may be shoddy paperwork, it may be that they have restructured things and don't need Seebeck sitting in the ownership chain any more, it always seemed odd/overcomplicated without having the full story  having Swinton>Seebeck>STFC Ltd. IIRC the debentures were signed up to when Jed took over using Seebeck as the vehicle, it may be that as they have now gone Seebeck isn't needed any more and will just be allowed to die a death?

I am not sure how much due diligence one can do based on rumours.

I haven't been keeping fully up with this (I really cannot eat that much popcorn) what is the problem with Kiely having a shareholding (bar the supporters not being told), I could sort of understand the Harding issues (albeit if he isn't an Agent any more not really sure what they are now), but what has Kiely done to suggest he is a wrong 'un?

Does the house of cards need to go anywhere, we are a football club playing football, god forbid we are actually playing football OK at the moment which makes a nice change?

It seemingly came as a surprise to the Trust that Zav, who according to the official club comms at least was to be Clem's man on the ground in the UK and Vice Chairman, was a convicted former drugs money launderer. That was some due diligence that they could have done quite easily.

To your other point, it was mentioned on here last night that there seems to be a possibility that the Club may have fallen foul on EFL rules regarding the Kiely shareholding, hence the changes to the Club website nearly 12 months after his part ownership began.

If we are staring down the barrel of a points deduction then the Trust and by extension the fans should know.

A lot of this comes back to the trumpeting of the openness and transparency on day one. When people say "why do we need to know?" the answer is "because they told us we would!"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:45:32
It just relates to a certain amount of time having passed since documents were due, it may be shoddy paperwork, it may be that they have restructured things and don't need Seebeck sitting in the ownership chain any more, it always seemed odd/overcomplicated without having the full story  having Swinton>Seebeck>STFC Ltd. IIRC the debentures were signed up to when Jed took over using Seebeck as the vehicle, it may be that as they have now gone Seebeck isn't needed any more and will just be allowed to die a death?

I am not sure how much due diligence one can do based on rumours.

I haven't been keeping fully up with this (I really cannot eat that much popcorn) what is the problem with Kiely having a shareholding (bar the supporters not being told), I could sort of understand the Harding issues (albeit if he isn't an Agent any more not really sure what they are now), but what has Kiely done to suggest he is a wrong 'un?

Does the house of cards need to go anywhere, we are a football club playing football, god forbid we are actually playing football OK at the moment which makes a nice change?

In truth, possibly/probably nothing. The main/only issue I see is that nobody really knows anything about Kiely and your 100% correct, there is nothing to suggest at all there is anything malevolent in him being around.

My perception on why fans are going all Miss Marple, is that the transfer of shares to Kiely was 'done on the sly' which goes against what the club had set out to do when Clem took over. And there is the conspiratorial side as well whereby He's involved in horse racing, as is a certain Mr LP - although there is categorically nothing to suggest there is any link between the 2. In short, if all is above board and kosher, why didn't we make the statement about the Kiely's way back when?

I think as well in all honesty, having someone like Zav Austin around means that any 'new' blood that comes into play is always going to automatically be assumed he's the second coming of dracula.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 08:57:13
AFAIK nobody has suggested Kiely is a wrong un. If they have such info they've not shared it.

So I think it's more the circumstances and secrecy, especially while the Eady money/JV was going on.

There have been various noises/speculation from various anonymous online sources that Clem may have other people involved on the quiet.

But if that was the case now he wouldn't need to borrow cash from even more other people (Kiely), right?

There are 101 (conspiracy) theories, or things you and I could make fit.

Why does it have to be like this! If only Clem came in, swept out the turds and kept it honest. if he then realised he'd need help via investment I can't see why people would  care (unless he borrowed/sold to an dodgy character or did it under stupid terms I suppose)
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Edit:

I do get nervous when shares get 'owned' by lawyers though. First though (already made by someone else) is 'whose he holding that for '.  Seems to have been reduced below 10% now though.

I also had my own CT. For another time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 09:12:56
I don't endorse either of these theories, but I think the nightmare scenarios are:

1) Ultimate ownership/control is still with Power or more likely Power's associates, and Clem is just a "clean" front-man

2) The whole thing (or part of it) is just a front for Michael Standing who wasn't allowed to be owner as an agent (although he no longer is to my knowledge)

I'm sure the reality is more nuanced and less disastrous than those, but I think those are the the root of people who are worries about this, and the apparently unnecessary lying (lets call it what it is) from Clem raises those concerns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 09:18:30
With regards to Michael Standing possibly ‘running’ the club.
Is there any reason this could be a bad thing, or is it just a case of the court case and him being a former agent is the only reason he’s behind the scenes and it’s not out in the open?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 09:21:05
With regards to Michael Standing possibly ‘running’ the club.
Is there any reason this could be a bad thing, or is it just a case of the court case and him being a former agent is the only reason he’s behind the scenes and it’s not out in the open?

At the point at which it was first alleged, he was an active FA agent and not allowed to play a part in running a football club, which is what the FA charges that still hang over us were about.

In the context of 2023 where he is no longer an agent, it's probably totally fine, but I know nothing about the guy other than him being friends with Gareth Barry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 09:23:52
for me it would be because he's a former agent with a possible conflict of interest. But it doesn't have to be like that/bad.

That was my CT, that he's a hidden partner but stopped funding because the court case isn't resolved and no guarantee it'll go his way. Almost certainly bollocks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 09:26:41
At the point at which it was first alleged, he was an active FA agent and not allowed to play a part in running a football club, which is what the FA charges that still hang over us were about.

In the context of 2023 where he is no longer an agent, it's probably totally fine, but I know nothing about the guy other than him being friends with Gareth Barry.

Unless Michael Standing's money is actually Gareth Barry's and around and around we go!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/16756690/gareth-barry-fa-charge-swindon-deal/



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 09:55:06
Standing is trying to get his money back from Power - hence the civil court case. Whatever the outcome of that will influence the FA charge.

What pisses me off is that whilst this is still hanging over us Clem has further muddied the waters regarding who is and isn’t involved in STFC. It isn’t a great look. No lessons learned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 10:26:30
My take on what might happen in due course and feels a bit like history repeating itself somewhat:

Keily invests in STFC in the background >> Keily becomes shareholder in STFC >> Clem sells STFC to Kiely or Kiely becomes majority shareholder of STFC.

The reason it feels like it would be history repeating itself is that Clem pretty much did similar in his acquisition of STFC. Invested in the background >> Became a shareholder >> Became owner of STFC.

There's no reason why, with the recent ''reshuffle'' that in time, Kiely ends up being the new owner.

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It will be very telling as well, what Standing's position is once his court case is legally complete...Does he come back into the fold? Maybe he's never really left - unofficially  :hmmm:

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The sad part is that this 'mostly positive' article was only written a year ago

https://www.forbes.com.au/covers/investing/why-winning-sometimes-comes-second/

There's some rather sensationalist comments from the Adver in there - shock


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 10:30:36

1) Ultimate ownership/control is still with Power or more likely Power's associates, and Clem is just a "clean" front-man

I don't think its remotely as clear cut as that, but from murmurings close to Power it could all get messy once the court case is finished.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 10:31:26
Does Kiely have the funds to run a football club?

Quite surprised he had the assumed £1m+ for the 'loan', but what do I know


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 10:38:20
Does Kiely have the funds to run a football club?

Quite surprised he had the assumed £1m+ for the 'loan', but what do I know

None us know anything, that's the problem. It seems to have become fact that because Clem couldn't rustle up a cool £3m at short notice he is apparently skint, Kiely is taking over, not taking over, selling to bad people, selling to good people. Standing has money in the club, doesn't have money in the club, is an Agent, isn't an Agent, meets FA criteria, doesn't meet FA criteria!

How much of what has been discussed over the last 200 odd pages is based upon hard raw evidence and how much on conjecture, god forbid any of us if we rolled up in court and faced a jury all wearing Swindon scarfs!  :D :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 10:42:59
Does Kiely have the funds to run a football club?

Quite surprised he had the assumed £1m+ for the 'loan', but what do I know

Who knows but does Standing/Barry/Some other unknown entity have the funds to do so and would they be happy to have Kiely as the 'front'?

But remember...

'Clem is 1OO% the owner of STFC', oh sorry I mean 'Clem 1OO% owns STFC'  ;)

And don't you even think about questioning it  :secret:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 10:50:07
None us know anything, that's the problem. It seems to have become fact that because Clem couldn't rustle up a cool £3m at short notice he is apparently skint, Kiely is taking over, not taking over, selling to bad people, selling to good people. Standing has money in the club, doesn't have money in the club, is an Agent, isn't an Agent, meets FA criteria, doesn't meet FA criteria!

How much of what has been discussed over the last 200 odd pages is based upon hard raw evidence and how much on conjecture, god forbid any of us if we rolled up in court and faced a jury all wearing Swindon scarfs!  :D :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Your above post only shows how little clarity from the club there really has been and that most definitely falls at the hands of the current owners. If things were actually clear {which they really bloody aren't'} then a good chunk of us probably wouldn't be asking/conspiring/theorising on which godforsaken scoundrel genuinely does have their filthy mitts on STFC at this moment in time. CH may say one thing today but I think many of us realise that whilst legally accurate, it is probably not the true state of affairs.

It's a good job a lot of us STFC fans enjoy bog snorkelling

#Muddy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 11:56:41
Standing being involved or not is a big deal, IF he wins the court case and is shown to be the owner of the football club at that time.

The entire defence of the football club, based on what they have told us they submitted to the EFL/FA, was that the football club was no longer owned by any such type of individual and a new regime was in place so we shouldn't be punished for prior owners sins.

Standing winning and also being involved today would undermine that defence.

Standing and Barry are heavily involved together.  Their families own lots of businesses, including one set-up specifically for Louise Barry it seems.  Standing removed himself from many of them at the same time as the power struggle at STFC and his relinquishing of an agents role, but his family (including wife and brother) remain as Directors of plenty of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 12:02:20
On that basis, for once, are we rooting for Lee Power? It pains me to type that but it might be cleaner for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 12:12:20
On that basis, for once, are we rooting for Lee Power? It pains me to type that but it might be cleaner for the club.

Only if there is any identifiable link to Standing still being an investor.  If not, then it doesn't matter for our defence.  Obviously, if Power wins we are not on the hook at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 12:23:25
I don’t know how these things work, but if Standing wins how on earth does he get his alleged £6m from Power? Surely Power was the legal owner when he was forced to sell to Clem - otherwise that court case couldnt have forced him to sell.

What assurances did Standing have from Power about his ‘investment’ in the club? If anything like Clem’s 15% never being formally ratified, not much you would think.

I think they had a ‘gentleman’s’ agreement but nobody in their right mind would give £6m with no formal structure as to how it would be repaid.

Can someone put money into a club and not formally be a director or have ‘significant interest’?

There’s just too many what ifs for us to speculate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 12:56:59
Good news on the Kielys front I think.

Relevant person = acting with powers of director. Need to go through owners and directors test.

Significant person = having 10% or more shares

Peterborough got a suspended points deduction + fine for not declaring a relevant person.

If we have fallen foul of rules, I think but declaring a significant person would be a lesser crime. Unless they are acting as a relevant person behind the scenes :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 13:00:14
Good news on the Kielys front I think.

Relevant person = acting with powers of director. Need to go through owners and directors test.

Significant person = having 10% or more shares

Peterborough got a suspended points deduction + fine for not declaring a relevant person.

If we have fallen foul of rules, I think but declaring a significant person would be a lesser crime. Unless they are acting as a relevant person behind the scenes :)

And perhaps if you are right we've just got a bit of a slap on the wrist from the EFL and advised to update our website.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 13:29:16
Its a different world in the PL though.

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2119838-evertons-plight-worsens-after-investment-deal-appears-doomed

Not sure our fans would have enough time to track so many people with money in the club on that scale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 13:44:12
Its a different world in the PL though.

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2119838-evertons-plight-worsens-after-investment-deal-appears-doomed

Not sure our fans would have enough time to track so many people with money in the club on that scale.

At least none of our owners/related parties are under international sanctions, I suppose. At least until Australia launches special military operations in Fiji.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 14:45:35
Your summary of the relationships between Power/Austin (at the end) and Austin/Morfuni are in line with what I'm told.

I suppose, hypothetically, you then ask the question:

Which side is Chris Kiely on and how does that impact the club?

(...and this era has been very much about sides)

Scenes when Kiely reveals himself to be linked with Power the whole time. (one for DV)

(https://i.imgur.com/gHG8thF.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 14:46:16
Liam Wells, a young boxer trained by Adam Hart, was wearing a Swindon logo on his tracksuit in January 2019, which suggests some kind of association dates back to then at least.

https://www.boxingscene.com/liam-wells-tipped-big-things-by-coach-adam-hart--135183

Most worrying part of that is the MTK Global logo on the Swindon top.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 14:56:19
Only if there is any identifiable link to Standing still being an investor.  If not, then it doesn't matter for our defence.  Obviously, if Power wins we are not on the hook at all.

Hopefully he has a new liar than the one that kept just trying to delay things vs Clem. Shambolic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 16:39:33
Swindon Town FC parent company Seebeck 87 Limited have filed a first Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off at #companieshouse #STFC #SwindonTown @Official_STFC



http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=58890.msg1757646#msg1757646


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 16:44:17
Was just getting clarification on whether that was significant

In fact the trust have a good explanation from 2021 and I think it still holds (see https://twitter.com/EyesOTBoard/status/1694752264823402629?t=-MoFmvEPdlibhMLsZtSUnw&s=19)

https://truststfc.com/2021/06/08/court-hearing-pre-emption-rights/

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STFC is wholly owned by a company called Seebeck 87 Limited (“Seebeck”).

Seebeck is wholly owned by a company called Swinton Reds 20 Limited (“Swinton”).

Whoever owns and controls Swinton indirectly owns and controls STFC.

So yeah. Has something changed?

As I see it seebeck hasn't really got assets and is just anb empty holding company, but it isn't excused regulatory filings right?

In any case would imagine it's an easy fix, just very slack from the club?
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Edit: sorry Bob. Missed that looking at the other stuff. So did anyone come to a conclusion


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 16:45:53
Was just getting clarification on whether that was significant

In fact the trust have a good explanation from 2021 and I think it still holds (see https://twitter.com/EyesOTBoard/status/1694752264823402629?t=-MoFmvEPdlibhMLsZtSUnw&s=19)

https://truststfc.com/2021/06/08/court-hearing-pre-emption-rights/

So yeah. Has something changed?

As I see it seebeck hasn't really got assets and is just anb empty holding company, but it isn't excused regulatory filings right?

In any case would imagine it's an easy fix, just very slack from the club?

According to Horlock a couple of pages back;

"It just relates to a certain amount of time having passed since documents were due, it may be shoddy paperwork, it may be that they have restructured things and don't need Seebeck sitting in the ownership chain any more, it always seemed odd/overcomplicated without having the full story  having Swinton>Seebeck>STFC Ltd. IIRC the debentures were signed up to when Jed took over using Seebeck as the vehicle, it may be that as they have now gone Seebeck isn't needed any more and will just be allowed to die a death?"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 16:47:42
Cheers Bob. Was just about to read back!

Is it as chaotic as it seems behind the scenes I wonder 🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 19:11:57
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/24/truststfc-statement-confirmation-statement-and-the-shareholdings-in-the-club/

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August 24 2023

Following the events of last week, we’d like to provide a short update. Earlier today, the first of what we believe will be a number of discussions took place with the Club in relation to the Confirmation Statement and the shareholdings in the Club.

A list of questions provided by our membership was provided to the Club which they have agreed to review and respond to in detail. It has been agreed that a joint meeting will then be held between the Club and representatives of the Trust and OSC board’s which will be followed with an update to all supporters.

We share supporters concerns over the ownership of the Club and whilst it wouldn’t be appropriate to provide a running commentary, we will provide updates as often as we are able through this process.

TrustSTFC Board


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 19:12:27
https://truststfc.com/2023/08/24/truststfc-statement-confirmation-statement-and-the-shareholdings-in-the-club/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 24, 2023, 19:13:27
Following the events of last week, we’d like to provide a short update. Earlier today, the first of what we believe will be a number of discussions took place with the Club in relation to the Confirmation Statement and the shareholdings in the Club.

A list of questions provided by our membership was provided to the Club which they have agreed to review and respond to in detail. It has been agreed that a joint meeting will then be held between the Club and representatives of the Trust and OSC board’s which will be followed with an update to all supporters.

We share supporters concerns over the ownership of the Club and whilst it wouldn’t be appropriate to provide a running commentary, we will provide updates as often as we are able through this process.

TrustSTFC Board


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 07:36:13
Good statement.

Can't help but think that they'd have been able to apply a bit more pressure if they'd published the questions that they were asking though. Leave the club nowhere to hide.

Also wouldn't mind if it had said "We finally share supporters concerns over the ownership of the Club" but hey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, August 25, 2023, 13:38:14
Good statement.

Can't help but think that they'd have been able to apply a bit more pressure if they'd published the questions that they were asking though. Leave the club nowhere to hide.

Also wouldn't mind if it had said "We finally share supporters concerns over the ownership of the Club" but hey.

Pretty sure they published the questions they want answers to, if you look at the previous statement?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 25, 2023, 13:44:08
Pretty sure they published the questions they want answers to, if you look at the previous statement?

Fair, they sort of did. I just meant more numbered direct questions but as you say, hopefully that is the basis of what they are asking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:37:37
Fair, they sort of did. I just meant more numbered direct questions but as you say, hopefully that is the basis of what they are asking.

It's probably more of whether the club, actually answer the questions asked


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:45:38
"Chairman Clem Morfuni has to-date injected c£6m into Swindon Town, to help stabilise the club finances"

"July 2022 Clem pays of £2.95m historical debentures to enable County Ground purchase"

Can someone explain to me like I'm an 8 year old whether the £6m includes the £2.95m pls?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:50:41
"Chairman Clem Morfuni has to-date injected c£6m into Swindon Town, to help stabilise the club finances"

"July 2022 Clem pays of £2.95m historical debentures to enable County Ground purchase"

Can someone explain to me like I'm an 8 year old whether the £6m includes the £2.95m pls?

I don’t believe so, hence why Clem had to borrow the money to pay the debentures, because he had basically run out of available funds


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 25, 2023, 14:51:56
"Chairman Clem Morfuni has to-date injected c£6m into Swindon Town, to help stabilise the club finances"

"July 2022 Clem pays of £2.95m historical debentures to enable County Ground purchase"

Can someone explain to me like I'm an 8 year old whether the £6m includes the £2.95m pls?

My understanding is that he sold shares (to Mrs Kiely and Mrs Parladorio) to fund the £2.95m?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:02:00
yeah but they 6m could include that, or not included it

I've not looked but should be derivable from AB/accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:15:02
yeah but they 6m could include that, or not included it

I've not looked but should be derivable from AB/accounts?
The two lines are lifted from the AB minutes. I would assume the £2.95m is included in the £6m as it transfers from be a debenture row and seems to be wrapped up into the "Clem Debt"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:17:01
fair enough then!

tbh after power left I assumed we would be looking at double figures millions debt.

circa 3m + debentures sounds reasonable!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, August 25, 2023, 15:28:33
fair enough then!

tbh after power left I assumed we would be looking at double figures millions debt.

circa 3m + debentures sounds reasonable!
£7.4m according to the same infographic. Good old saint Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, August 25, 2023, 17:30:54
I am not saying he hasn't sunk over 6m into the club, but the Accounts from 21/22 provide a note that monies owing to the Directors equated to 4,283,392 (of which 2,667.372 was in Director loans and the rest from Axis).

I presume he may also include his original investment when getting to the 6m mark.

We were trading at break even (small profit in that year actually), so we should be using cash from the business to pay debts that are due most of the time now.

There were some loans to the business with a due date of < 12 months at that financial year end, of 518k, but they are not called out in the Related Party Transactions section.

The previous years accounts listed an Unsecured Debenture of 2m, which vanished in the 21/22 financial year - transferring, it seems , to Director Loans.  That does not, on the face of it, appear to be the Debenture then cleared in September 2022, so god knows what they were doing with that one, unless it was held in one of the Holding Co's


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 25, 2023, 18:11:17
4.2m + debenture Rob?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, August 25, 2023, 18:58:55
So, to help out an old fella who knows did all about accountancy. Are we in the shit?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, August 25, 2023, 19:04:14
So, to help out an old fella who knows sod all about accountancy. Are we in the shit?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, August 26, 2023, 16:25:53
No word of a lie, Clem could announce that Pablo Escobar is the real owner but if he stumps up for Kemp and Young no one will care anymore!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, August 26, 2023, 16:44:23
No word of a lie, Clem could announce that Pablo Escobar is the real owner but if he stumps up for Kemp and Young no one will care anymore!

Well yes, see Newcastle/Man City/Chelsea for further details of how far football fans' ownership concerns usually go!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, August 26, 2023, 16:52:51
No word of a lie, Clem could announce that Pablo Escobar is the real owner but if he stumps up for Kemp and Young no one will care anymore!

Doesn't Adam Hart fancy himself as Britain's answer to PE anyway?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, August 26, 2023, 17:18:50
Well yes, see Newcastle/Man City/Chelsea for further details of how far football fans' ownership concerns usually go!

Although the Chelsea fans own the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, August 26, 2023, 18:23:34
Owners spread all over the Home Counties then!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, September 4, 2023, 10:27:33
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc-seasiders-owner-simon-sadler-releases-statement-reiterating-his-commitment-to-the-club-following-recent-criticism-4278939

Interesting comparison. Some Blackpool fans are up in arms over their owners lack of ambition despite pumping in nearly £20mn in 4 years and always funding a competitive budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 4, 2023, 10:38:05
Haven't checked but wouldn't be surprised if there was a fringe element saying that it was better under the Oystons!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 4, 2023, 10:42:52
I don't think many judged clem as such like that they would just like the club to be a bit more upfront and tell who is doing what and why


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 4, 2023, 10:56:11
I don't think many judged clem as such like that they would just like the club to be a bit more upfront and tell who is doing what and why

Yep - the issue for me isn't that Clem hasn't got much money, it's the cloak and dagger involvement of people (Kiely, Austin etc) who if we'd been informed were fully involved from the start then we'd be much more on board with....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 11:06:01
Yep - the issue for me isn't that Clem hasn't got much money, it's the cloak and dagger involvement of people (Kiely, Austin etc) who if we'd been informed were fully involved from the start then we'd be much more on board with....

Taking it one step further, it arguably isn't even that people are secretly involved... It is that they banged on about being open and transparent until they were blue in the face, so they have essentially created a massive rod for their own back.

I don't remember anyone being interested about Fitton/Arbib/Black and who had invested what and when (it probably helped that they weren't formerly career criminals) but the difference is that they hadn't ridden into Town on the Trust's white horse claiming that they were "the Messiah" who would be held to the highest standard in terms of transparency.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 4, 2023, 11:11:21
Yep - the issue for me isn't that Clem hasn't got much money, it's the cloak and dagger involvement of people (Kiely, Austin etc) who if we'd been informed were fully involved from the start then we'd be much more on board with....
I am pretty sure thats the same for 90% of us fans.

We all know Clem isnt wealthy in football club ownership terms, in fact hes probably closer to the lower end of wealthy club owners.

I dont mind him getting in other outside investors, far from it, the more the merrier, if it funds spending on the gound/team then its worth it. Just dont hide it and blatantly lie saying you are the only owner when its pretty obvious you arent.

But dont bloody hide it from everyone, come out and say "running a club is way more expensive than I ever thought it would be" "I have taken the club as far as I can without added investment" that sort of thing, everyone would be happy to have new investment if it aids the club and doesnt just line the pockets of individuals.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 4, 2023, 11:17:00
Hadn’t Clem always said that he wouldn’t take money out of the club (like Power did) and that we have to be run in a sustainable way, hence why they’ve tried to increase revenue as much as possible.

If you read between the lines there it’s clear he doesn’t have unlimited funds to pump into the club.

The issue that has people’s radar twitching is the fact that he was less than honest about the shares, and I’d say it’s very hard to win trust, but much easier to lose it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, September 4, 2023, 11:29:16
Especially given our history


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Monday, September 4, 2023, 11:37:07
I'm sure we can expect the Trust to question on all this and then update the fans, it is them that was surely misled as well - which doesn't help their working relationship surely, and of course Mr CEO has to be questioned about why he said what he did at the fans forum - was he misled as well ?

Although I must admit time is ticking and the holding statement the Trust put out doesn't say much other than we are talking.

If clem wants to ride the open and honest bus with the fans then lets be open and honest, he has been silent since his statement was released.

You wonder what levels of interest have to be paid back on the loans considering clem said the money he had invested was interest free.

Its not as if we can look at the fee's received for the transfer's during the window and say x fee's came in (alright they are not all paid in one go but as the club seem to be borrowing on future income from transfers)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, September 4, 2023, 12:13:19
Uh oh

Greg Norman, lifelong town fan and formerly CFO of the club, who resigned, reposting a tweet regarding the regime he used to work. Gives me more an impression of him trying to raise some kind of awareness as supposed to him being “bitter” which no doubt some on here will claim, as it’s soemthing/someone speaking against precious clem.

https://twitter.com/loathedstranger/status/1698670864399536171?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg

Nothing to see here guys, clem and his mates are all great, we can always trust clem and rob 👍


Edit- also worth noting Greg’s departure was properly swept under the carpet and when the club were asked about his departure - the club completely ignored and answered a different question to respond to it in the AB notes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, September 4, 2023, 12:25:56
Maybe soar grapes from Greg Norman - the post isn’t actually alleging anything. Loathed strangers tend to insinuate stuff but don’t actually back it up with anything. Hopefully the trust get to the bottom of things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 4, 2023, 12:30:52
It suggests that the meeting hasn’t been scheduled yet, which presumably he doesn’t know first hand as he doesn’t work there anymore.

Clearly he is likely to still know people that work at the club so may have got it from them, but it may have been setup without everyone in the club knowing.

Presumably the Trust would know, if it doesn’t get a date soon then it would make sense that they start chasing a bit more.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, September 4, 2023, 13:41:12
reckon he's paid off Kiely and Parladorio, he'd hide that as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 15:13:41
Maybe soar grapes from Greg Norman - the post isn’t actually alleging anything. Loathed strangers tend to insinuate stuff but don’t actually back it up with anything. Hopefully the trust get to the bottom of things.

Why would there be 'sour grapes'? He wasn't sacked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, September 4, 2023, 15:24:57
Maybe soar grapes from Greg Norman - the post isn’t actually alleging anything. Loathed strangers tend to insinuate stuff but don’t actually back it up with anything. Hopefully the trust get to the bottom of things.

I actually disagree with that completely. I think the Loathed strangers are the most level headed of all the fans podcast/outlets and I have very rarely seen them insinuate anything.
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcben on Monday, September 4, 2023, 15:35:41
I actually disagree with that completely. I think the Loathed strangers are the most level headed of all the fans podcast/outlets and I have very rarely seen them insinuate anything.
 

Agreed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:28:50
Whilst i agree it's clearly not  great behind the scenes i am not sure why we are all acting like every bit of news we here is the biggest shock ever. In no other world would we give a fuck about the ex finance director who less than 6 months ago was on podcasts telling everyone how great things were. I like Greg by the way i think he is brilliant and a top man this isn't a dig at him just shocked that people are shocked he didn't enjoy it there

Anyone who works or has worked at that club in the last 2 years know exactly how it is operated . Fot the last 10 years nearly we have been surrounded by rumours of who actually owns the club but it's obvious that Kiely, Hart Austin etc have a say in the club and it's also not a suprise is it?

Just be good if it was all clarified and not left for us to guess



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:33:14
I'm actually not even that worked up by the characters involved.  Sure, if it was a democracy and I could vote, I'd not give them that vote because they are shady as fuck, but it's not.  It's up to the people who put money in to determine who they want around.

That said, it's the bullshit Open and Transparent stuff that irritates me.  If you are going to run the club using the Diamandis Playbook that was clearly found stuffed behind the Anglo Italian Cup in the Boardroom, at least don't pretend you are a Saint.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:37:18
I'm actually not even that worked up by the characters involved.  Sure, if it was a democracy and I could vote, I'd not give them that vote because they are shady as fuck, but it's not.  It's up to the people who put money in to determine who they want around.

That said, it's the bullshit Open and Transparent stuff that irritates me.  If you are going to run the club using the Diamandis Playbook that was clearly found stuffed behind the Anglo Italian Cup in the Boardroom, at least don't pretend you are a Saint.

Yes, that and the Trust getting into bed with said shady as fuck regime and pretending/being naive to the fact that they aren't are the issues here.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:40:43
I don't take any notice anymore. As long as we got a football club with a half decent manager and doing reasonably on the pitch that's good enough for me😆


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:49:01
I don't take any notice anymore. As long as we got a football club with a half decent manager and doing reasonably on the pitch that's good enough for me😆

Long term prospects of the club are DOA though with shady cunts constantly hovering. That is what a lot of of the mongs on the facebook group don't seem to be able to grasp and think they can just 'think positive' all the dramas away to the promise land.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:49:48
I don't take any notice anymore. As long as we got a football club with a half decent manager and doing reasonably on the pitch that's good enough for me😆

That was the case in August 2020. Within a year we were nearly out of business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:51:30
Long term prospects of the club are DOA though with shady cunts constantly hovering. That is what a lot of of the mongs on the facebook group don't seem to be able to grasp and think they can just 'think positive' all the dramas away to the promise land.

The Facebook mob seem to think they run the club the way they carry on!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 4, 2023, 16:54:36
That was the case in August 2020. Within a year we were nearly out of business.

But there was nothing I could have done to change it.The writing was on the wall from 2013 which got disguised getting  to Wembley play off final and appointing a top director of football😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 4, 2023, 17:06:27
The Facebook mob seem to think they run the club the way they carry on!

Literally doesn't matter what happens at the club. Get one post a paragraph about how we should just all be positive and get a load of them replying 'well said' with zero comprehension of what has even happened. Could appoint graham rix as our manager and they'd think the same.

Did laugh at one post from one of the biggest happy clapping simpletons when he admitted that he sighed when we threw away a two goal lead after 92 minutes vs Wrexham. Admitting it like he could barely cope with the shame of sighing at it.

Its like they're not real people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 4, 2023, 17:32:25
Quote from: Mooneyraker
Why would there be 'sour grapes'? He wasn't sacked
mutual consent?!
-----------

Somebody thought Clem was over in a couple of weeks. Anybody know?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Monday, September 4, 2023, 17:40:16
Loathed strangers tend to insinuate stuff but don’t actually back it up with anything. Hopefully the trust get to the bottom of things.

I also hope the Trust get to the bottom of things. They've clearly been blindsided in recent weeks - not ideal considering they're in business with the club.

The recent downfall of the always flawed 'openness and transparency' rhetoric include concerns that are shared/supported by the Trust so I find it frustrating that these concerns are met with statements like 'I support the team, not the regime' and 'well at least we're not Southend'.

This troubles me as we've endured a lot a issues at Swindon in recent times. It might be nothing but these problematic timelines, like Southend, have to start somewhere and the sort of stuff emerging from Swindon Town recently resembles such nonsense so let's not let our guards down... again.

One thing is for sure, I'd much rather have to apologise for being comprehensiveley wrong on what I've been discussing on LSPOD than have to break it to the Town fans that wages aren't being paid again or anything else similar to what happened in 2021.

...and, yeah, it could absolutely be a bit of 'sour grapes' from Greg Norman.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:00:23
When did we not pay wages?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:01:43
When did we not pay wages?
in 2021


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:02:34
When did we not pay wages?

Power, surprisingly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:09:46
Spectacularly dull question but did we ever get the promised 1-3 year plans from the club? I know that was revised down from 1, 3, 5 and 10 year plans initially promised "given difficulty of longer term plans." I honestly can't remember seeing them but may well have forgotten.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:13:32
Here's a question at what period say since the 70's has the club been in a good financial position 🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:36:18
Here's a question at what period say since the 70's has the club been in a good financial position 🤔

Under Black/Arbib when we were losing about £250k a year but they were funding it.

Until they didn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:39:27
Spectacularly dull question but did we ever get the promised 1-3 year plans from the club? I know that was revised down from 1, 3, 5 and 10 year plans initially promised "given difficulty of longer term plans." I honestly can't remember seeing them but may well have forgotten.

Be a load of shite that wont be realistic anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:42:06
Be a load of shite that wont be realistic anyway

I remember seeing a load of waffle about having the best academy in the lower leagues.....so we may have got it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:43:14
Be a load of shite that wont be realistic anyway

Yes, about as painful as reading John Sheridan’s autobiography I’m sure. But they promised them nonetheless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:46:46
There was a draft plan within the April AB notes.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-april-2023.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 4, 2023, 18:49:30
Under Black/Arbib when we were losing about £250k a year but they were funding it.

Until they didn't.

The good times lasted 4/5 years before selling
I can't remember the following statement below

Who is Andrew Black? Swindon owner Black was co-founder of betting exchange Betfair. He was part of a consortium, led by ex-chairman Andrew Fitton, which took over Swindon in 2008. Although rarely seen at the County Ground, his investment has put Town in the top 30 richest football clubs in England.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 4, 2023, 19:45:20
There was a draft plan within the April AB notes.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-april-2023.pdf

Well remembered. Thanks for posting.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 06:57:00
The Adver are finally digging into things...

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23765875.swindon-town-owners-liquidated-company-owed-850k-judgements/

"Swindon Town owner's liquidated company owed £850k after judgements"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 06:57:25
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23765875.swindon-town-owners-liquidated-company-owed-850k-judgements/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:02:02
Fuck me, journalism from the Adver!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:03:59
Very Power-esque business morals. Liquidate and bollocks to those owed money. Very common practice but it stinks.

The construction industry is on a marked downturn at the moment which obviously has a knock on effect with businesses like Axis.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:05:00
It’s another lie to add to an ever growing list.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:09:29
It’s another lie to add to an ever growing list.

Aye


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:11:27
There is now a steady drumbeat of information leaking out on this regime.

I am extremely concerned for the medium/long term future of the club under these charlatans, as I have been since day one.

When things go south, which they will, the damage that the Trust have done to the club and themselves will become clear, as there will be no credible, impartial body left for the supporters to coalesce behind. We are in real trouble here.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:11:38
My, my, my…..it’s all unraveling now! In with another dodgy one. If this was power the meltdown would be off the scale!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:28:08
Can someone explain in layman's terms? They liquidated so they don't pay the money that they owe?

Whilst this is bad, is it not illegal? And are people kicking off because it differs from the club statement?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:29:23
There isn't much meat to the bone within that article but, I believe, it conflicts with a Rob Angus statement from the other week.

Regardless of what you think about this, Rob Angus has been stitched up several times recently due to lack of clarity from the owner.

Openness and transparency, innit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:31:25
Can someone explain in layman's terms? They liquidated so they don't pay the money that they owe?

Whilst this is bad, is it not illegal? And are people kicking off because it differs from the club statement?

Broadly, yes to all the above.

If this was power the meltdown would be off the scale!

See this is a refrain I don't really agree with - yes, you're absolutely right in the dying days of Power post-Sheridan. But there was a long period of Power's ownership before that where there was fairly minimal pushback from fans and fans groups against him - even going back to Morshead getting banned from the CG. Unsurprisingly, that lined up with us being quite good on the pitch!

A lot of people - myself included - operated on the principle that he was better than Jed and there was no other show in town. I suspect similarly a lot of folk now think that Clem is better than Power and there's no real alternative. It's not an optimistic position to be in, but I can't imagine there are lots of Ryan Reynolds/Rob McIlhennys lying around waiting to buy us.

Clem is clearly being less than honest with us - and I agree that this is damaging the Trust - but he's also not actively malicious towards the fans in the way Power was. As in many cases, the cover up seems to be worse than the crime. That doesn't mean questions shouldn't be asked though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:35:10
Axis liquidated comes to light
Rob Angus statement says ‘this is a usual business practise for a dormant company, don’t worry’
Joint vice chair of the trust tweets ‘hopefully this settles fans nerves’
C. A month passes, in which some more ownership shenanigans come to light
Adver article states that the companies a) weren’t dormant b) were wound up to avoid £800k of debts (which I’d argue isn’t normal business behaviour) and c) Clem wasn’t a director at time of liquidation

Aside from the further lying from above and questions about the trusts impartiality, I think this is further proof that clems pockets are running dry. I’d also be nervous of the wronged parties aim to ‘explore all options to recover its debts’ - only a matter of time before they come sniffing round STFC. And they may well legally not be entitled to claim from the club, but it would surely come with a costly legal bill to get to that conclusion


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:40:45
Broadly, yes to all the above.

See this is a refrain I don't really agree with - yes, you're absolutely right in the dying days of Power post-Sheridan. But there was a long period of Power's ownership before that where there was fairly minimal pushback from fans and fans groups against him - even going back to Morshead getting banned from the CG. Unsurprisingly, that lined up with us being quite good on the pitch!

A lot of people - myself included - operated on the principle that he was better than Jed and there was no other show in town. I suspect similarly a lot of folk now think that Clem is better than Power and there's no real alternative. It's not an optimistic position to be in, but I can't imagine there are lots of Ryan Reynolds/Rob McIlhennys lying around waiting to buy us.

Clem is clearly being less than honest with us - and I agree that this is damaging the Trust - but he's also not actively malicious towards the fans in the way Power was. As in many cases, the cover up seems to be worse than the crime. That doesn't mean questions shouldn't be asked though!

I understand all of the above & I know it divides opinion saying what I have however I do believe that. Clem has to a point done similar to power…liquidated companies to avoid debt, lent money of people to invest/run a football club.

My main issue is the lies & my favourite phrase “open & transparent”. This is just another kick in the teeth for me. The trust need to take their head out of the sand & look after the clubs interests!

It’s also no coincidence that all of the above has come to light when Clem owns 50% of the ground which was given to him through the Eady trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:40:48
Well that's tonight's BBC Wilts phone-in with Flynn likely getting canned then  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Can only echo what others have said: Yet another contradiction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:50:47
Can't be long til Angus walks, surely? Are you really going to put up with being mugged off constantly?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:54:07
 :facepalm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 07:59:20
Can't be long til Angus walks, surely? Are you really going to put up with being mugged off constantly?

Some people are very loyal to their masters….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:05:17
Apart from questionable business practice and another example of a lack of transparency I don’t see how this impacts the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:12:55
Apart from questionable business practice and another example of a lack of transparency I don’t see how this impacts the club.

It doesn’t.

But it’s another lie, and another time they’ve wheeled Angus out to lie for them, or, lie to him too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:22:36
Think we’d all like to know why. Come clean, clear the slate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:25:31
Apart from questionable business practice and another example of a lack of transparency I don’t see how this impacts the club.

I agree, I’d also caveat that there is likely to be more to the article than is printed. Furthermore May I remind everyone that multi millionaire business persons do not become so without treading on toes, using questionable accountancy practices or skimming very close to the wrong side of the law. Actually how about the bastions of sporting fairplay? I give you FIFA & the IOC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:27:39
Judging from the replies to the article, some fans seem to think it's heresy to report on such things


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:39:03
Fuck me, journalism from the Adver!

Half a fucking job journalism, they basically got their headline and didn't bother doing any more digging around, if Morfuni ceased to be a director/controlling interest at date x then who was at that date going forward for instance and what was Morfuni's exit about, like so much its purpose seems to have been to stir up shit rather than actually get to the bottom on what the fuck is/has been going on. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:40:40
Half a fucking job journalism, they basically got their headline and didn't bother doing any more digging around, if Morfuni ceased to be a director/controlling interest at date x then who was at that date going forward for instance and what was Morfuni's exit about, like so much its purpose seems to have been to stir up shit rather than actually get to the bottom on what the fuck is/has been going on. 

Alternatively, it's a classic move to shift responsibility from one person who could be held responsible to someone who is collateral damage. Lots of companies do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:46:10
Power did this 17 times before rocking up at the CG. Nobody wanted to hear it at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:46:51
Alternatively, it's a classic move to shift responsibility from one person who could be held responsible to someone who is collateral damage. Lots of companies do it.

Possibly so, but at this stage that is merely conjecture with literally no hard evidence to back it up, now if the Adver had actually done a proper job there possibly would be evidence to reach a conclusion one way or the other upon, but there isn't, such practices are depressingly common in the construction industry (happen to me enough times in my professional life).

As for Angus being stitched up, reading what he said he merely commented upon whether the liquidation affected the club, at the moment is there any evidence that what he was told and subsequently said was incorrect?  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:48:47
Power did this 17 times before rocking up at the CG. Nobody wanted to hear it at the time.
But that's not necessarily the issue that people are taking with it though. It's the constant contradictions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:50:47
Half a fucking job journalism, they basically got their headline and didn't bother doing any more digging around, if Morfuni ceased to be a director/controlling interest at date x then who was at that date going forward for instance and what was Morfuni's exit about, like so much its purpose seems to have been to stir up shit rather than actually get to the bottom on what the fuck is/has been going on. 

It did seem to me like something to stir the pot rather than the "big find" they thought it was


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:51:28
It did seem to me like something to stir the pot rather than the "big find" they thought it was

First rule of journalism is?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:53:28
Got to remember adver were basically banned from reporting on the club under power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 08:56:26
But that's not necessarily the issue that people are taking with it though. It's the constant contradictions.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 09:00:28
It did seem to me like something to stir the pot rather than the "big find" they thought it was

I've literally just done a c.30 second trawl on the interweb and I suspect a huge amount of additional info which could answer lots of questions is available on what is (I assume) the Aussie equivalent of Companies House, but (Like you used to have to here|) you have to pay for it which I assume the Adver were not arsed to do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 09:09:18
I've literally just done a c.30 second trawl on the interweb and I suspect a huge amount of additional info which could answer lots of questions is available on what is (I assume) the Aussie equivalent of Companies House, but (Like you used to have to here|) you have to pay for it which I assume the Adver were not arsed to do.


Think we'd all like to know i'm sure! But it's a simple story, Axis UK liquidated, owes money - company owned wants it. Gets clicks!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 09:16:21

Think we'd all like to know i'm sure! But it's a simple story, Axis UK liquidated, owes money - company owned wants it. Gets clicks!

That story doesn't mention Axis UK being liquidated, it mentions Axis Plumbing NSW Pty Ltd being liquidated, which is an Aussie company?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 09:21:38
Power did this 17 times before rocking up at the CG. Nobody wanted to hear it at the time.

Plenty of fans raised concerns about Power and his previous business conduct when he took over?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 10:05:23
I banged on about it - that hotel in Cambridge or Peterborough, CR8 etc, but a few on here shouted me down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:17:25
Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:20:40
Apart from questionable business practice and another example of a lack of transparency I don’t see how this impacts the club.

Depends on whether you start borrowing money from the growing list of undesirables.
After all this is exactly what Lee Power did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:29:38
Can one of the Companies House/corporate structure expert types answer this one if possible please:

If/when Clem goes bust and has to sell up might Mrs Kiely and Mrs Parladorio have the same pre-emption rights that Clem had under Power? Presumably there is no way of finding that out?

Also, in the event that they gain control do they automatically get the 50% of the CG that the club owns in the JV with the Trust?

It is a shame that the Eady Trust seemingly haven't treated Clem (or should that be 'Clem'?) with the same scepticism as they did with Power. I'm sure people will say that it is all watertight legally but it still doesn't sit well that these people have in any way benefitted from that legacy. If Clem wasn't honest with them would they have any recourse I wonder?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:48:57
Possibly so, but at this stage that is merely conjecture with literally no hard evidence to back it up, now if the Adver had actually done a proper job there possibly would be evidence to reach a conclusion one way or the other upon, but there isn't, such practices are depressingly common in the construction industry (happen to me enough times in my professional life).

As for Angus being stitched up, reading what he said he merely commented upon whether the liquidation affected the club, at the moment is there any evidence that what he was told and subsequently said was incorrect?  

I agree with your sentiment on the Adver, they are basically doing little more than me or you could do, in fact, less at times.  Your general themes of nothing to see here unless proven otherwise I think I do not agree with though.  There is clearly a thread here that can be pulled, and it may take weeks to fully unravel or be long enough to print something, but the thread almost certainly seems to be unravelling on it's own.

Individual events that have occurred, on there own, do not create any reason to worry about STFC.  However, it's the fact that they are not pre-warned or even cleared up with truth initially.  That seeming need to keep things swept under a carpet and the fact that it's more than one thing, would suggest more to find.

In this individual situation:

Clem did not come out ahead of the news
Rob Angus was sent out with some half hearted, don't admit to anything effort to clean it up
Clem eventually had to own up to 80% of the issue to stop further digging
Turns out that wasn't entirely true either

Now, on a pure business level, there is nothing illegal with liquidating a company.  There are some moral concerns about doing do so while owing people money, especially if you have other means to repay - like a profitable business, or assets.

the question here would be, at what point did Clem hand this business (which looks like one of his original ones I believe) to some other poor shmuck to take the fall and provide distance from the creditors?  I know of heresay that suggests not that long, in world history terms.

Next - does that mean he may still be pursued for the debts?  No idea, maybe, not aware of the rules in Aussie law and also how far that would even be able to go, like across borders?

Anyway, the point is none of that, not really.  It's that it is one of many and growing, and none of the issues have been resolved to a point where no questions can be asked still.  Every single one has been a drip feed of truth, mostly blended with blatant porkies.  On the witness stand, you'd have been discredited by now.

Come on Adver, let someone do their job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:52:14
Can one of the Companies House/corporate structure expert types answer this one if possible please:

If/when Clem goes bust and has to sell up might Mrs Kiely and Mrs Parladorio have the same pre-emption rights that Clem had under Power? Presumably there is no way of finding that out?

Also, in the event that they gain control do they automatically get the 50% of the CG that the club owns in the JV with the Trust?

It is a shame that the Eady Trust seemingly haven't treated Clem (or should that be 'Clem'?) with the same scepticism as they did with Power. I'm sure people will say that it is all watertight legally but it still doesn't sit well that these people have in any way benefitted from that legacy. If Clem wasn't honest with them would they have any recourse I wonder?

None of that will be in the Companies House documentation I'm afraid, there'll be a separate contract (presumably) of loan terms, which will not be filed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:53:38
None of that will be in the Companies House documentation I'm afraid, there'll be a separate contract (presumably) of loan terms, which will not be filed.

Yes, sorry, I was meaning more would it be normal/possible for their shares to have those rights?

It isn't my area of expertise!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:55:51
It’s the naivety that people won’t find out that bugs me. Everything, well, nearly everything, is available online these days. Did Clem really think these things wouldn’t get out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:56:03
Yes, sorry, I was meaning more would it be normal/possible for their shares to have those rights?

It isn't my area of expertise!

Pure logic would suggest nobody would hand over nearly 3m quid without something of real value being put up against it and strict terms on repayment etc.  The question would be whether or not getting 10% of the County Ground would be enough (which is all they really got from having 20% of STFC).  Nothing as yet shows that they were secured loans, so that would be one good thing 9although I do not know how long after the event such a thing would need to be reported?).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:57:23
I thought they said they were short term loans and they were nearly paid off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:57:45
It’s the naivety that people won’t find out that bugs me. Everything, well, nearly everything, is available online these days. Did Clem really think these things wouldn’t get out?

Yes, think this is the issue I have with it all. Most of the stuff that has come out isn't the end of the world as such, but it's the attempts at disguising them/brushing them under the carpet that give off the impression that something more troubling is occurring.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 11:58:58
What did Clem get for his £1.1m? Absolutely fuck all not even his shares. Maybe this is the pointer as to why things are unravelling now. It’s pure naivety.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:00:34
I thought they said they were short term loans and they were nearly paid off

Clem said that he had nearly paid them off - problem with that is the paper trail is  not being presented and Clem has form in recent times.  Even if they were nearly paid off, and were sort of short term in nature, we don't actually know the agreed terms.  Just because he actually did pay them off, we really do not know what was on the hook.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:02:25
Pure logic would suggest nobody would hand over nearly 3m quid without something of real value being put up against it and strict terms on repayment etc.  The question would be whether or not getting 10% of the County Ground would be enough (which is all they really got from having 20% of STFC).  Nothing as yet shows that they were secured loans, so that would be one good thing 9although I do not know how long after the event such a thing would need to be reported?).

Indeed. I can't imagine that either the Eady Trust or SBC are delighted by recent events, assuming Clem was presented as the sole owner of STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:02:57
Even if they have been paid off, nobody lends £3m for no return - no matter how short a period.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:04:02
I thought they said they were short term loans and they were nearly paid off

He's sold 20% of his shares. That's all we know as fact until a CH statement says otherwise

Even if they have been paid off, nobody lends £3m for no return - no matter how short a period.

I guess who is paying for interest (if any) does concern running of the club and budgets.

But we don't know. I'm not even sure it's unreasonable for the club to pay if that were the case.  Just the cover up. Massive *if* as it might be something else entirely, etc




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:06:15
I also add, the term "paid off" can have more than one meaning.  Given the money was owed by STFC to Arbib, one option is that STFC were loaned the money (legally speaking) and that STFC paid their own Debenture off.  It's then possible that Clem has "sourced" the funds to repay those loans - what we would not know is what the source was.  It need not be him, or it could be him and STFC is now a further 3m in debt to Directors loans, or he could have simply chucked some extra capital into the business to repay the debts.  A real variety can exist - I'd suggest the Trust ask all those pertinent questions and not just leave it at "repaid"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:14:45
Worth giving this a re-read, which I'd forgotten they had put out:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/town-take-huge-step-towards-financial-security/





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:22:26
Worth giving this a re-read, which I'd forgotten they had put out:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/town-take-huge-step-towards-financial-security/





So they announced selling shares… but didn’t


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:27:25
Thought they did?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:44:39
Thought they did?

Not in that article above


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 13:34:32
Not in that article above

Just says Morfuni paid the debenture doesnt it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 13:39:33
Just says Morfuni paid the debenture doesnt it

The move signals a huge step towards complete financial security for the football club, with £2.95million cleared by our owner, Clem Morfuni, with the help of our dedicated fans, sponsors and partners.

Sponsors and partners i.e. we sold shares


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 13:47:11
The move signals a huge step towards complete financial security for the football club, with £2.95million cleared by our owner, Clem Morfuni, with the help of our dedicated fans, sponsors and partners.

Sponsors and partners i.e. we sold shares

Yes, you could argue there is a degree of ambiguity in there.

Interestingly this was what the Trust Vice Chair said at the time:

https://twitter.com/socialPolly/status/1577013610231971841

"This is a huge statement of intent from Clem & Co., and a lot of work behind the scenes has gone into this"

 :sherlock:

2+2=5 I'm sure but an amusing wording in hindsight whether it was Freudian or just a turn of phrase!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 13:49:05
Yes, you could argue there is a degree of ambiguity in there.

Interestingly this was what the Trust Vice Chair said at the time:

https://twitter.com/socialPolly/status/1577013610231971841

"This is a huge statement of intent from Clem & Co., and a lot of work behind the scenes has gone into this"

 :sherlock:

2+2=5 I'm sure but an amusing wording in hindsight whether it was Freudian or just a turn of phrase!

The thing I can't figure out is that they so openly said it's cleared, it was always going to come out how it was cleared. Perhaps they adopted the approach "it's better to ask for forgiveness over permission," but either way it seems strange...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 13:57:36
Power did this 17 times before rocking up at the CG. Nobody wanted to hear it at the time.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 14:25:41
This.

I often see it said that "nobody wanted to hear it" about Power, which just isn't the case. Most didn't, which is still an important point to make, but many saw him as the shyster he is from day one. That they were drowned out and patted on the head by the famous "happy clappers" makes it all the more galling when history seems to be repeating itself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 14:33:53
It is different, though. Power was prepared to put the club into admin to clear his debts. Seeing as the club, I presume, owes Clem he is unlikely to do that.

Anyway, Clem’s ‘crimes’ are ones of lack of transparency and obfuscation after promising the opposite.

I’d say Power’s crimes were footballing crimes - the club was at risk. I don’t think that’s the case with Clem.

Hope so, anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 14:38:12
I agree with your sentiment on the Adver, they are basically doing little more than me or you could do, in fact, less at times.  Your general themes of nothing to see here unless proven otherwise I think I do not agree with though.  There is clearly a thread here that can be pulled, and it may take weeks to fully unravel or be long enough to print something, but the thread almost certainly seems to be unravelling on it's own.

I think you misunderstand me, I am not doubting that is plenty to see here, which if somebody had the time and inclination to investigate properly they would inevitably unearth god only knows what (a basic look at the filings (or not) of various Axis companies on CH could set any number of hares running for instance) but it gets so clouded in conjecture, half stories becoming fact, what appears in certain cases to be personal animosity towards certain people at the club/Trust and what is now seeming to be an arranging of the deck chairs for a long upstanding chorus of 'Well I told you so' that's X becomes Y through rumour and counter rumour and the truth invariably lies somewhere in the middle.

I've said before that my education in history has made me very conscious of the importance of knowing your sources and that's what settings my mind a wander about a lot of this, its not happy clapping its my historians mind being frazzled!

I wake up in a sweat at night with the thought of entering court and seeing a jury made up of many of our fans from SM!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 14:43:15
It is different, though. Power was prepared to put the club into admin to clear his debts. Seeing as the club, I presume, owes Clem he is unlikely to do that.

Anyway, Clem’s ‘crimes’ are ones of lack of transparency and obfuscation after promising the opposite.

I’d say Power’s crimes were footballing crimes - the club was at risk. I don’t think that’s the case with Clem.

Hope so, anyway.

The risk is certainly different - we have an asset of relatively decent value vs. what Power had at his disposal to milk.  In the event Clem needed to do a sharpish exit, he can probably find a willing buyer for his 50% of the ground, which would cover off a fair chunk of anything he is owed personally (which is a murkier area now - it could be a few people owed money).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 14:53:44
I said at the time of the 20% of the club being sold for £2.9m that it puts the value of the club at around £14m which is a ridiculous figure. Double what it was worth when Power was exiting.

Nobody is going to buy Clem’s 50% of the CG but excluding the actual club. Is a redeveloped CG worth £7m to anyone?

With the Trust owning 50% any future owner isn’t going to be attracted to buying an asset he can’t make a profit on.

Just how can the club be sold?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:00:51
The risk is certainly different - we have an asset of relatively decent value vs. what Power had at his disposal to milk.  In the event Clem needed to do a sharpish exit, he can probably find a willing buyer for his 50% of the ground, which would cover off a fair chunk of anything he is owed personally (which is a murkier area now - it could be a few people owed money).

I'm not sure that it would, in theory Clem's lump is worth £1.15m (if its even that now the market is wobbling like a jelly) and that would only give any purchaser 50% with the other 50% being held by a single objective Trust who have the scope (and total ability) to be a pain in the arse about things. Add into the equation the power the Council weild and the fact that they would be invariably incredibly pissed off if Clem tried to flip it.

And that's not even accounting for any (I imagine extremely onerous clauses) the Eady Trust will have put into the agreement to fund the purchase in the first place.  

If Clem (or whoever) has put the money into the club which he has been reported to have done, I honestly struggle to see how that money comes out again unless he is in very long term, we get up the leagues or someone with either a local interest or a fetish for fucked up football clubs comes in with a silly offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:05:14
The more you look into it a 50% ownership isn't sounding such a good deal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:05:56
Isn't the non-fan 50% ownership of the ground solely tied to the club and not to the parent company or owner? Have a feeling for it to be owned by anyone else, there's a procedure to be followed by the fan 50% voting on whether transfer of ownership should occur etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:16:39
I often see it said that "nobody wanted to hear it" about Power, which just isn't the case. Most didn't, which is still an important point to make, but many saw him as the shyster he is from day one. That they were drowned out and patted on the head by the famous "happy clappers" makes it all the more galling when history seems to be repeating itself.

Yeah you see it now. I'd say its worse now though. People don't even want to take a moment to understand the situation, they just want anyone perceived as being negative to shut up and go away. Its absolute simpleton behaviour lauding themselves as 'proper supporters' because they blindly support and don't question anything.

These people aren't 'proper supporters' any more or any less, they're just fucking cretins that lack the mental capacity to understand anything behind the scenes and don't want to understand it anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:26:08
Chalky.... that's not nice calling your fellow supporters fucking cretins !!! soapy tit wank
Possibly true but ......
Should read the Advert forum to see some real wacky comments.
Just proves there are more sheep in the UK than in NZ..but they have two legs and not four


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:45:03
Its the proud ignorance of it all that gets me. They're proud to know fuck all about it and just blindly support and think that makes them better than everyone else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:45:56
Isn't the non-fan 50% ownership of the ground solely tied to the club and not to the parent company or owner? Have a feeling for it to be owned by anyone else, there's a procedure to be followed by the fan 50% voting on whether transfer of ownership should occur etc.

Definitely how it was explained previously.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:49:12
I'm not sure that it would, in theory Clem's lump is worth £1.15m (if its even that now the market is wobbling like a jelly) and that would only give any purchaser 50% with the other 50% being held by a single objective Trust who have the scope (and total ability) to be a pain in the arse about things. Add into the equation the power the Council weild and the fact that they would be invariably incredibly pissed off if Clem tried to flip it.

And that's not even accounting for any (I imagine extremely onerous clauses) the Eady Trust will have put into the agreement to fund the purchase in the first place.  

If Clem (or whoever) has put the money into the club which he has been reported to have done, I honestly struggle to see how that money comes out again unless he is in very long term, we get up the leagues or someone with either a local interest or a fetish for fucked up football clubs comes in with a silly offer.

Ah but the valuation is not just based on the 50% Eady paid the Council.

The valuation will be 50% of the Asset itself, owned by STFC, which is then owned by Clems holding companies, plus 100% of a 250 year lease.  That lease will have some value as well - not least because it ensures the Lessor gains certain rights to income from anyone doing business via said asset, namely the football club.  It was also at a lower cost per annum than the previous lease.

Other clubs have gone through this process and significantly increased the reported value of their assets as a result.  This in turn opens up financing options or increased perceived value for any potential purchaser.

The 7m Power was claiming he wanted, that was for the business with a much higher cost and lower term lease and no rights to the freehold, plus a Debenture was sat in the accounts.  Right now, that has been cleaned up to some degree.  The risks for any potential buyer are much less than they were two years ago.  On paper, we are a much better prospect - in so far as any football club is an investment opportunity!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 15:54:27
Nicely explained.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:00:34
As an example, but different - Gillinghan own their ground fully.  In 2020 they valued the Ground at 4m, in 2023 it was valued at 17m.  They used this revaluation to finance investment into player purchases in January.  The new owner stated that the investment was to ensure they remained an EFL team, the impact of going down being in excess of 1m to Revenue.

Now, the CG may have significant hinderances that make it less valuable than some real estate in Gillingham, but I bet someone can make a very good case for the combination of the freehold and leasehold (250 years) being worth more than 1.15m to STFC.  I think Reg may well have been one to question the original valuation as being too low and that the Council would be pressed to increase that (not that they ever did).

There are many factors, the Covenant being one example, but a good financial bod can make a very good case for adding value.  On the other side, the liabilities have been softened - although we still don't know how the 2.95m is being treated within the clubs financial reporting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:01:52
Various posters have  highlighted things both in the Power era and since Morfuni took over.  
I am certainly not defending either individual, but a common thread in both takeovers is that in both cases there were not a wide range of apparent alternatives available at the time -
1. when Power bought the club, while his past history made many of us feel uneasy,  it was clear Jed and cronies continuing would probably have been more problematic.
2. similarly, when LP wanted to get out, having run the Club almost into the ground, had Morfuni not wanted to exercise his option to buy,  LP would probably have used the the "Able" set up to extract what he could and put the Club into administration - with undoubtedly dire consequences. Against that background Morfuni was the only serious option for supporters to get behind.

However, after the euphoria of the 2021-22 season, reality has set in.
Like many I am uncomfortable about the way in which things stated by the Club under the guise of "openness and transparency" seem to be subsequently contradicted as further information comes to light.

It was always likely that Morfuni did not have deep pockets (in the context of running a football club) and would need  outside investment to help him - the "running on a sustainable basis (ie we only spend what we receive in income) was undoubtedly an opaque way of saying he didn't have the funds of (say) Salford's or Wrexham's owners.

I  have repeatedly asked myself why the owner of what is essentially a building services business (plumbing etc) wanted to buy STFC - clearly he was unlikely to be able to flip it at a profit because of the complexities around ground ownership, so I concluded that stadium redevelopment was the opportunity he was looking for.
As I understand it the ownership model (the JV with the Trust) limits any opportunity for him or any subsequent owner to cash in on the development value of the County Ground site, I assume that the Nigel Eady Trust also insisted on some appropriate protections for the Club as part of the purchase contract. So while CM owns "half the stadium" - I don't think it is something he can easily turn into cash, and of course it needs some serious money spending on it to bring it up to modern day standards and increase revenue from it.

Apart from the apparently never ending saga of ownership / court cases etc, my other concern is that this unrest behind the scenes will undermine what Flynn seems to be doing on the field - the football I have seen so far this season has been good (I didn't go to Doncaster), we are unbeaten in the League, (and cups in 90 mins - shame about the penalty shoot outs), but will he be able to bring in any fee agents, and what happens in January?

Life is never dull supporting this Club.  At risk of sounding like John McGreal - It's Swindon Town.



 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:02:20
BTW, none of that is bad - just shows that Clem has done a pretty impressive job on paper and the exit he can generate is likely much less risky than us being shoved into Admin overnight. (This refers to my previous post)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:07:48
Robert... end of the day it seems Morfuni is being chased by a liquidator who will smell blood available in North Wilts. CM has assured everyone he owes and has personally loaned cash to STFC.
Suggest there will be soon a demand placed on the club requesting the monies owed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:15:49
Impossible. The club is in no way on the hook for Clem’s debts in other businesses.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:16:08
NHA
Fully agree and this situation all started when Andrew Black sold the club.
Someone will buy the club in a far better position than it was. Told Andrew Fitton has moved back to Lambourne.
He might be interested in a bargain


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:19:05
Robert... end of the day it seems Morfuni is being chased by a liquidator who will smell blood available in North Wilts. CM has assured everyone he owes and has personally loaned cash to STFC.
Suggest there will be soon a demand placed on the club requesting the monies owed.

What liquidator?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:22:10
Audrey
Why do you say that.
CM loans his personal money to the club.
Said liquidator wants money from CM.
Suddenly the club will need to repay loan to CM.
STFC does not have 850000 widgets and what happens then ???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:24:31
Liquidator who is Liquidating Axis Plumbing NSW Ltd


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:25:56
Liquidator who is Liquidating Axis Plumbing NSW Ltd

Sorry where is this coming from now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:26:54
For all the good work CM has done with STFC.
Just hope he comes out of this with as much as he came in with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:33:31
Audrey
Why do you say that.
CM loans his personal money to the club.
Said liquidator wants money from CM.
Suddenly the club will need to repay loan to CM.
STFC does not have 850000 widgets and what happens then ???

A business is its own legal entity. Limited Companies are what protects owners from being personally liable for debts. Unless Clem has put STFC up as collateral against the failed business there is zero way the club is on the hook.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:35:08
Anyone know any Saudi Arabians?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:51:00
Robert... end of the day it seems Morfuni is being chased by a liquidator who will smell blood available in North Wilts. CM has assured everyone he owes and has personally loaned cash to STFC.
Suggest there will be soon a demand placed on the club requesting the monies owed.
That just isn't going to happen or even possible. This is wat i mean when people just start shit and go with it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:54:31
Anyone know any Saudi Arabians?

I actually do! But he lives in a 4 bed semi in Hitchin and drives a 19 plate Q5. Not quite sure he is what we are looking for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 16:55:47
I actually do! But he lives in a 4 bed semi in Hitchin and drives a 19 plate Q5. Not quite sure he is what we are looking for.

So what you are saying is he is richer than Clem… might be just the fresh start we all need!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:10:16
https://truststfc.com/2021/03/19/axis-group-due-diligence-by-truststfc/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:11:26
So what you are saying is he is richer than Clem… might be just the fresh start we all need!

The only way we’re going to get some fuck off wealthy industrialist, Arab Sheikh, dictator or minted megalomaniac is if the free hold of SN1 or more importantly the footprint of the football club includes the land behind the DR, the car park, the CH hotel, foundation park and the cricket club. With the spare cash to buy all the houses from and on the Side of the road of the CG hotel to the magic roundabout, the cricket club entrance, the park behind and the row of houses on Shrivy road up to Mitchell’s cycles. And the cash to actually nip to the local builders merchant for the materials.

Outside of the above a new site somewhere close to the M4, A419 or A420. The reality is we stay pretty much as we are, a bottom feeding selling club with owners or an owner just about keeping our heads above water in L2

Oh and the small matter of the sporting covenant..

As for things like share holders, borrowed money dodgy back grounds etc, etc fucking get used to it. We are where we are and that isn’t going to change anytime soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:12:32
That just isn't going to happen or even possible. This is wat i mean when people just start shit and go with it

To the extent as described, it certainly isn't going to happen that way and is not certain.

However, there is a chain of events where STFC could be impacted.

Lets say Robinz has local knowledge that the Liquidator believes Clem to be responsible for that business.  If he chases down ownership of debts he could squeeze Clem's cashflow sufficiently to place pressure on Clem to try and sell up at STFC to liquidate some assets.  It's a longer and more convoluted chain, and requires buyers to move swiftly.

More likely, even if he needed the cash, I presume Clem would be more likely to try and secure a loan using his assets instead, like he did for the Debenture.  He could ultimately place a proportion of his ownership down as security, which would have an indirect to direct impact on STFC.

So it's not like we are completely protected, but it's not a simple case even if someone did apply enough pressure to make Clem have to take action.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:13:02
Quote from: horlock07
What liquidator?
creditor I assume.

but limited liability you'd assume would protect Clem.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:21:12
The only way we’re going to get some fuck off wealthy industrialist, Arab Sheikh, dictator or minted megalomaniac is if the free hold of SN1 or more importantly the footprint of the football club includes the land behind the DR, the car park, the CH hotel, foundation park and the cricket club. With the spare cash to buy all the houses from and on the Side of the road of the CG hotel to the magic roundabout, the cricket club entrance, the park behind and the row of houses on Shrivy road up to Mitchell’s cycles. And the cash to actually nip to the local builders merchant for the materials.

Outside of the above a new site somewhere close to the M4, A419 or A420. The reality is we stay pretty much as we are, a bottom feeding selling club with owners or an owner just about keeping our heads above water in L2

Oh and the small matter of the sporting covenant..

As for things like share holders, borrowed money dodgy back grounds etc, etc fucking get used to it. We are where we are and that isn’t going to change anytime soon.

After 30+ years of supporting the Town this news has come as a huge shock to me. Thanks for opening my eyes!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:35:27
creditor I assume.

but limited liability you'd assume would protect Clem.



He is referring to the appointed Liquidator in Australia, who is actively seeking to recover funds to pay off the list of creditors.  Clem left his role as a Director a few months prior to the thing collapsing/going dormant (one sounds nasty, other sounds benign, it seems it was actually the former).  There would be an open question for the Liquidator to determine if Clem was actually responsible or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:38:20
Oh, I read the article earlier and thought it was the owed company chasing it. Obviously didn't read it properly.

Edit: aaah. Resigned 2 months before. Was the new guy called Lee Majors..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 17:38:48
There is certainly a growing body of evidence that Clem has been juiced as far as he can be - the Australia case, the original UK one a few years back (he did owe 1m to others, including HMRC) and now his current UK firm being served a winding-up order in April (no outcome I can see), and that company's latest accounts showing a big jump in money owed < 1 year, including significant sums to the tax man.

Again, I'll be clear, none of that means bad news for STFC or some sort of criminal conspiracy.  It does mean we should hold feet to the fire though, if we care about the club.  We clearly can't trust them to give us insight, as much as we had hoped we could.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 18:07:08
After 30+ years of supporting the Town this news has come as a huge shock to me. Thanks for opening my eyes!

You my friend are so very, very ,very fucking welcome 😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 18:41:05
You my friend are so very, very ,very fucking welcome 😁

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 11:46:14
From the Trust on Twitter:
“RE: STFC Shares

We have asked the club for a date to discuss our concerns. No date has been set but we have been reassured our concerns will be fully addressed. We remain in communication with the club and will not cease until receiving detailed answers to our questions”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 12:04:34
Reassured doing a fair bit of heavy lifting there!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 12:09:51
Surely that date is just the next Advisory Board, no? And if they don't get the answers they want, they walk out on principle?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 12:10:16
Surely that date is just the next Advisory Board, no? And if they don't get the answers they want, they walk out on principle?

Dont be silly!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 12:39:48
Dont be silly!

In all seriousness, the Advisory Board meet, I believe, in the first week of every month.

Clem and Rob Angus attended the last one, as did a senior representative of the Trust.

This is pure farce. The Trust statement says they are still simply asking "the club for a date to discuss our concerns."

Is that not perfectly possible at the Advisory Board? If it isn't then sack that charade off once and for all.

And if they haven't discussed this in the Sept AB, then that is equally ludicrous.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:06:50
Surely that date is just the next Advisory Board, no? And if they don't get the answers they want, they walk out on principle?

I guess there are other parties, such as Don Rogers and the Official Supporters Club woman that I assume can't be in discussions of items that I assume are not for public consumption or something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:07:43
I guess there are other parties, such as Don Rogers and the Official Supporters Club woman that I assume can't be in discussions of items that I assume are not for public consumption or something?

But the Trust will be briefing these back to the public... won't they? #OpenAndTransparent, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:10:35
I presume lawyers (Clems) need to be checked with before the Trust can be "Trusted" with the responses they need to give.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:13:24
But the Trust will be briefing these back to the public... won't they? #OpenAndTransparent, right?

Of course, but I'm sure there are probably still things that probably can't be discussed for legal reasons.

I do agree though, that on the face of it around the time of the AB meeting would make sense as all parties are in the same vicinity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:13:52
In all seriousness, the Advisory Board meet, I believe, in the first week of every month.

Clem and Rob Angus attended the last one, as did a senior representative of the Trust.

This is pure farce. The Trust statement says they are still simply asking "the club for a date to discuss our concerns."

Is that not perfectly possible at the Advisory Board? If it isn't then sack that charade off once and for all.

And if they haven't discussed this in the Sept AB, then that is equally ludicrous.




In which case I'd come back to these positions


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:43:02
Mooney, I'm broadly sympathetic to your point of view, but I can't help think that your escalation is too severe. Not getting a date in the diary for two weeks does not need to immediately and completely lead to burning the Trust's relationship with the club to the ground. That has to be the ultimate possible endpoint, but if the club's response so far is that the conversation can happen, but as yet the date is in the diary, then it's probably worth at least having a bit more patience.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 13:48:57
Mooney, I'm broadly sympathetic to your point of view, but I can't help think that your escalation is too severe. Not getting a date in the diary for two weeks does not need to immediately and completely lead to burning the Trust's relationship with the club to the ground. That has to be the ultimate possible endpoint, but if the club's response so far is that the conversation can happen, but as yet the date is in the diary, then it's probably worth at least having a bit more patience.

Yes, I'm using hyperbole to make a point which is broadly "they have/had a date already with all the key people."

And that the AB is a crock of faeces.

A reminder of the premise of the AB: "The sole purpose of the STFC Advisory Board is to meet monthly to review and assess the performance and strategic direction of Swindon Town Football Club, and to ensure that there is open, transparent and regular engagement on key matters impacting all aspects of the club.

It also builds on the Memorandum of Understanding that was recently signed between Swindon Town and TrustSTFC, and it continues the commitment from the Football Club to maintain open and transparent engagement with its fanbase
."

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/stfc-advisory-board-meets-for-the-first-time/

Is this not a chance for its finest hour?

Probably worth re-reading that Memorandum too: https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/2021-22-general-content/memorandum-of-understanding---truststfc-and-stfc---final.docx.pdf

"j) Discuss any meaningful potential ownership changes in advance of such changes
happening.
"  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 14:01:23
I'm not saying for one second that the AB is not... less use than it's made out to be. I think it's actually probably quite useful for smaller stuff (the STFC Museum stuff for example, it's nice to have an update on) but it's clearly not a forum for the ownership of the club stuff (or the stadium stuff, which they clearly recognise as the CGJV operates and updates separately).

But it's probably worth (for now at least) going through the motions there rather than just saying fuck you and the ship you sailed in on to the club, as much as that might be satisfying in the short term. It just feels like that would be grandstanding for a bit of credit with some sections of the fanbase, but probably not likely to have a positive (or even neutral) effect on the chances of making anything happen.

It's not that I don't want these answers tomorrow, but the Trust have very few cards to play really and going all in on this straight away feels unwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 14:07:15
I'm not saying for one second that the AB is not... less use than it's made out to be. I think it's actually probably quite useful for smaller stuff (the STFC Museum stuff for example, it's nice to have an update on) but it's clearly not a forum for the ownership of the club stuff (or the stadium stuff, which they clearly recognise as the CGJV operates and updates separately).

But it's probably worth (for now at least) going through the motions there rather than just saying fuck you and the ship you sailed in on to the club, as much as that might be satisfying in the short term. It just feels like that would be grandstanding for a bit of credit with some sections of the fanbase, but probably not likely to have a positive (or even neutral) effect on the chances of making anything happen.

It's not that I don't want these answers tomorrow, but the Trust have very few cards to play really and going all in on this straight away feels unwise.

I'm absolutely prepared to accept that the Trust have simply been naive on this regime since day one, rather than fellow bad faith actors, with the odd dash of ego/hubris thrown in there too.

In which case, I'd ask them to re-read that Memorandum and look each other in the eyes. They have been royally fucked over and made to look like impotent fools/useful idiots. I think they need to take the gloves off and would respect them for doing so.

I also accept that many of their members wouldn't want that or agree with me, which is fine. It's a tough one.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/town-sign-mou-with-truststfc/

Alternatively we all just agree that we've reached a point where all of these things that have been announced are utterly meaningless, like our Chief Sustainability Officer. Last seen at the County Ground when...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 16:28:05
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23772593.promotion-outperforming-budget-swindon/

I can't read the article, and the headlines have tendency to err on the Bollocks side like here, but does this essentially suggest we haven't got a budget for promotion?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 16:30:52
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23772593.promotion-outperforming-budget-swindon/

I can't read the article, and the headlines have tendency to err on the Bollocks side like here, but does this essentially suggest we haven't got a budget for promotion?

During his phone in last night, he said there would be 7 teams with a higher budget than us, so if we were to get in the play offs we’d be doing well. Something along them lines anyway.
Think the teams listed were the obvious ones with higher budgets than us. Wrexham, Gillingham, Notts County, Salford, Mansfield maybe Bradford? Can’t remember the other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 16:53:45
During his phone in last night, he said there would be 7 teams with a higher budget than us, so if we were to get in the play offs we’d be doing well. Something along them lines anyway.
Think the teams listed were the obvious ones with higher budgets than us. Wrexham, Gillingham, Notts County, Salford, Mansfield maybe Bradford? Can’t remember the other.

Stockport was the other one😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 17:14:49
Stockport was the other one😀

That’s it. Cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 17:29:26
That’s it. Cheers

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 19:15:58
Any idea on who might be behind the 'STFC Questions' page on Twitter?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 20:41:38
Mooneyraker


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 20:52:06
Mooneyraker

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I thought that might be coming! Not guilty your honour. Too many tweets make a twat, as someone once said.

Also amused by his (presumably) use of “we” when it is quite probably lone man in bedroom. Not that I’m going to knock him. Seems polite enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 08:02:31
I'm just here to watch football  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 08:29:01
During his phone in last night, he said there would be 7 teams with a higher budget than us, so if we were to get in the play offs we’d be doing well. Something along them lines anyway.
Think the teams listed were the obvious ones with higher budgets than us. Wrexham, Gillingham, Notts County, Salford, Mansfield maybe Bradford? Can’t remember the other.
Walsalls owner has apparently come out and said they have a "top 7" budget this season too as have Colchester, MKD said to be the 2nd biggest budget too and FGR have told their fans they have a "promotion level budget".

So I would think we are likely to be top 10 budget at absolute best.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: chalkies shorts on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 08:33:42
Havent been on here for a while and thought I'd see whats going on and it seems like things haven't changed since I stopped watching 6 years ago. Dodgy owner - probably tick. Dodgy people in the background - tick. Shit transfer window - tick. Team going nowhere - ? on tick. Fans deserve much better - tick.
Someone told me £27 a ticket - fuck me, for 4th division football. The crowds are incredible given everything.
Anyway, best of luck to you all - you really do deserve a lot better than you're getting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 08:59:57
It’s always been thus. That’s why those getting apoplectic about stuff they have no control over would be better served just getting behind the team. Constant hand-wringing is pointless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 09:20:50
It’s always been thus. That’s why those getting apoplectic about stuff they have no control over would be better served just getting behind the team. Constant hand-wringing is pointless.

It’s perfectly possible to be 100% behind the team, home and away, and still be concerned about the future of the club.

This is a forum for discussing the club, with the stated leeway of 80% of it being bollocks, isn’t it?

It’s largely consigned to this thread and has thrown up some interesting points IMO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 09:26:27
Interesting the Club made the adver apologise/clarify their article on Clem within 24hrs, but cant arrange a meeting with the Trust for many weeks.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 09:30:34
It’s perfectly possible to be 100% behind the team, home and away, and still be concerned about the future of the club.

This is a forum for discussing the club, with the stated leeway of 80% of it being bollocks, isn’t it?

It’s largely consigned to this thread and has thrown up some interesting points IMO.
But it’s the constant whinging and uninformed speculation that gets my horned beast. We get the gist of what’s not right so why keep banging the same drum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 09:38:45
But it’s the constant whinging and uninformed speculation that gets my horned beast. We get the gist of what’s not right so why keep banging the same drum.

I think this conversation largely sparks into life each time new information comes to light, like, you know, we are actually part owned by people other than the stated owner!

The drip feed of revelations is fuelling it.

No one is still banging on about that time when our ex-con Vice Chairman partnered with a made up club in Karachi, for example. That’s ancient history from… earlier this year.

I get some people find it dull/depressing though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 10:37:44
Interesting the Club made the adver apologise/clarify their article on Clem within 24hrs, but cant arrange a meeting with the Trust for many weeks.  :hmmm:

Well that looks proper shithouse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 10:39:24


I get some people find it dull/depressing though.

Its all pertinent to the clubs immediate and long term future and people are right to be concerned and analysing everything. So people that find it too dull or negative should probably avoid it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:09:14
Well that looks proper shithouse.
Was there an apology? i missed that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:12:53
Was there an apology? i missed that
There was a 'clarification' article, but from what I could gather, it changed nothing from the existing article as what they were asked to clarify was in the existing article.

Was being asked to double down on Clem not being involved two months prior to the liquidation.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23772519.clarification-story-swindon-town-owner-clem-morfuni/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:14:16
Just seen, clarification which is a bit different

Rightfully they are getting asked all sorts and being held to account but tbf off the back of that story we have seen people having meltdows saying he owed them the money and the club is at risk so can't blame them on that one


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:17:03
The obvious question is - if he was neither involved nor owner before it went into liquidation, who was? Was the business sold as a going concern 2 months before it shut? Fat chance of that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:18:35
The obvious question is - if he was neither involved nor owner before it went into liquidation, who was? Was the business sold as a going concern 2 months before it shut? Fat chance of that.

Hey, that's enough of that uninformed speculation!

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:24:43
I’m not saying questions don’t need asking but some statements like this one just don’t add up.

Clem apparently leaves company 2 months before it goes bust so what was the company’s status during that 2 months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:37:09
I’m not saying questions don’t need asking but some statements like this one just don’t add up.

Clem apparently leaves company 2 months before it goes bust so what was the company’s status during that 2 months.

Which is precisely why people have been raising "concerns" - it seems at least a little odd, at worst pretty dodgy and could see him held responsible by the authorities locally.  Even if the latter is true, it still doesn't directly impact STFC - it just builds a little bit of a story that undermines the perception he tried to build about his ownership ethos and chips away at any thoughts he may be able to continue financing much more than survival.

The stupid thing, is if we didn't have Zav anywhere near the place, the rest of the stuff could all have been explained away ahead of them happening and garnered actual support from the fanbase.  IT could have galvinised the supporters behind him as someone whop had chucked what he had at the club to save it, sought other investors to help him out, tried to find ways of running a tight ship etc.  Instead, he's managed to create an air of Nixon about him - finding a significant crime is tough, but the cover up has to be about something, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:38:14
The obvious question is - if he was neither involved nor owner before it went into liquidation, who was? Was the business sold as a going concern 2 months before it shut? Fat chance of that.

And you told us all that Power doing this was reason enough to be angry at his potential involvement some 10 years ago or so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:39:26
(https://www.cincinnati.com/gcdn/-mm-/685aefed4d2bd48e257467e2feb12050305b7cc6/c=0-505-1668-1448/local/-/media/2017/05/18/USATODAY/USATODAY/636307241845755866-Resignation-Nixon.jpg?width=660&height=374&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

Clem Morfuni boards his helicopter having sold the club to Chris Kiely.

"I am not a crook!"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:41:55
Power was a serial offender - 17 bankruptcies - and by the sounds of most of them a calculated way of him doing business.

AFAIK Clem isn’t in that sort of class plus I don’t know if the rules are different in Oz. In the States it’s almost a badge of honour to have been made bankrupt!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:43:25
(https://www.cincinnati.com/gcdn/-mm-/685aefed4d2bd48e257467e2feb12050305b7cc6/c=0-505-1668-1448/local/-/media/2017/05/18/USATODAY/USATODAY/636307241845755866-Resignation-Nixon.jpg?width=660&height=374&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

Clem Morfuni boards his helicopter having sold the club to Chris Kiely.

"I am not a crook!"
Could have been more up to date and used Sleepy Joe, but I get your drift.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:46:01
Could have been more up to date and used Sleepy Joe, but I get your drift.

RobertT made reference to 'an air of Nixon.' Unless he meant Alan...?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:51:31
I think the thing I'm toying with/finding hard to balance is how much of this is usual football business and business in general. Openness and transparency is good but if people aren't appropriately well-informed what is normal or not-normal practice, is it sometimes that people make a bigger thing out of things that aren't a big deal? I'm not at all being a happy clapper and I think the club has a lot of dodgy ongoings to answer for, but in general terms are there things which are worrying fans which are a bit of a non-story at times?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:54:10
Power was a serial offender - 17 bankruptcies - and by the sounds of most of them a calculated way of him doing business.

AFAIK Clem isn’t in that sort of class plus I don’t know if the rules are different in Oz. In the States it’s almost a badge of honour to have been made bankrupt!

This is his second since involved with us - UK one and now Aus, plus the new UK one has had a Winding-Up order served against it 4 months ago (as yet undecided).  The second one was the original company (I think) and looks like it was a similar exit to Powers at his printing company, where it went belly up after he left.  It's still, very possibly, a legitimate business strategy.  I mean, some people get fucked over who did business with him, but the law is the law.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:59:00
I think the thing I'm toying with/finding hard to balance is how much of this is usual football business and business in general. Openness and transparency is good but if people aren't appropriately well-informed what is normal or not-normal practice, is it sometimes that people make a bigger thing out of things that aren't a big deal? I'm not at all being a happy clapper and I think the club has a lot of dodgy ongoings to answer for, but in general terms are there things which are worrying fans which are a bit of a non-story at times?

Definitely a chunk of truth in this. Even if Clem was going bust, that isn't a crime. You could even feel sorry for the bloke.

As I say, a lot of this boils down to why/what are they trying to cover up. None of what they have done makes sense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 11:59:20
I think the thing I'm toying with/finding hard to balance is how much of this is usual football business and business in general. Openness and transparency is good but if people aren't appropriately well-informed what is normal or not-normal practice, is it sometimes that people make a bigger thing out of things that aren't a big deal? I'm not at all being a happy clapper and I think the club has a lot of dodgy ongoings to answer for, but in general terms are there things which are worrying fans which are a bit of a non-story at times?

Depends - was anything Diamandis did illegal or big fry on it's own?  Maybe not.  It's entirely legitimate to use Consultants in business, to hire Marketing firms to do your work, to outsource printing needs etc.  Did he leave the club in a good place? No.  Was the business at risk and, therefore, the club we love to watch? Yes.

You don't even have to be a crook to place a football club at risk - the finances of football are a cluster fuck as it is.  We just happen to have two actual crooks at our club, sort of, maybe and an owner who seems to getting caught in serial lies for reasons we can't really work out for doing things we sort of don't think are that bad in isolation, while people keep sniffing around that were here under the previous ownership that is lambasted for being BAD.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 12:03:22
Could have been more up to date and used Sleepy Joe, but I get your drift.

hehe - the irony of course is that the other party over here has a chap in charge of the Senate who has frozen mid sentence twice in the past few months and is roughly the same age as the one you mock (don't take my mockery as some sort of love for that man either), and that other Party is going to nominate someone who is likely to be convicted of an actual crime, been sued multiple times for wrong doing successfully and is also nearly 80.  Nixon at least got out of the way.

Moving on, STFC.......


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 12:04:07
RobertT made reference to 'an air of Nixon.' Unless he meant Alan...?!
You know what, that’s who I thought!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 12:09:15
You know what, that’s who I thought!

That's a sign you are in too deep on STFC/Football in general!  :D

The proudest day of Alan Nixon's life.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 12:24:09
It’s gotten to the point now where I’m just exhausted of things like this continuing to come up and having to dig into them to find the truth (would be nice if we had a recognised group who did that for us). Had so much of it constantly during the Power era, I definitely didn’t clock onto it as early as others but was still early enough to see fans continuously shut down by the more (forgive me for using this phrase) “happy clappy” fans whenever they tried to raise concerns all the way up to just before it being too late. So I don’t blame any fan who thinks back to that and digs into anything untoward that comes up.

Not saying this regime is anything like that but it’s still throwing up consistent negative conversation points and handling itself pretty poorly in areas imo that just doesn’t help itself. There’s the manageable debate points of budgets, running everything as cheaply as possible, poor structure and then there’s having to have conversations about who actually runs the club, it’s never ending.

By chance I’ve not managed to get to many games so far this season but I’m already getting towards exhausted with it which is a shame because Flynn sounds like he’s onto something this season. Going to try and just stick focus to the football related matters from now on because it’s mentally exhausting keeping up with the off pitch issues and fair play to anyone who can keep digging through them. Hoped we would have left most of this circus behind since moving on from the last ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 13:04:48
I was like that UTR but the games have actually helped. I can't be fucked with anthing to do with the club off the pitch now if i am honest.

If there was not people benefiting from the homeless inititives i am doing with them i would have cancelled that by now as well if i am honest. It's hard when you see the good in a few of the people there but know their hands are tied but after 2 years i have given up on hearing time and time again that it will all be ok soon

I will just watch the football have a little moan now and then and not ask questions anymore as 9/10 times the answer you get isn't the right one anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 13:39:08
By chance I’ve not managed to get to many games so far this season but I’m already getting towards exhausted with it which is a shame because Flynn sounds like he’s onto something this season. Going to try and just stick focus to the football related matters from now on because it’s mentally exhausting keeping up with the off pitch issues and fair play to anyone who can keep digging through them. Hoped we would have left most of this circus behind since moving on from the last ownership.

This is spot on for me. For me, it's a case of watching (and hopefully enjoying the team) and that's about it. I can't really control what's happening behind the scenes and I commend people who give it a go, but for me I can't really be bothered with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 13:51:54
This is spot on for me. For me, it's a case of watching (and hopefully enjoying the team) and that's about it. I can't really control what's happening behind the scenes and I commend people who give it a go, but for me I can't really be bothered with it.

Same here, I can't control anything on what's going on behind the scenes and without all the facts I struggle to understand some of what's being leaked out but fair play to those who have the energy to persevere. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 13:55:40
... I commend people who give it a go....

Absolutely & it's to be applauded, but there is always a time when there is a risk of sounding like scratched records.
At which point the relatively silent majority either lift the needle or continue to grin & bear it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 14:34:17
24 May 2023
Axis plumbing NSW pty Ltd put into liquidation down under.

23 July 2023
"This is nothing to be concerned about as this is an old and in-effect redundant company within the Axis Group where there are a large number of companies currently trading," chief executive Rob Angus said.
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/club-statement-axis-group/

6 September 2023
A spokesperson for Mr Morfuni said: “Mr Morfuni does not own Axis Plumbing NSW Pty Ltd, either wholly or partly, and it is not part of the Axis Group.

"He is not involved in the liquidation of the company and neither he nor the Axis Group are liable for the debts owed by Axis Plumbing NSW Pty Ltd to any third party.”
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23772519.clarification-story-swindon-town-owner-clem-morfuni/

How would RA have known it was an obsolete company if not informed by Clem in order to make his statement on 2 months later?
Did Clem say he sold the Axis plumbing etc prior to liquidation?
Does the company effectively become the property of the liquidator once liquidation proceedings have started? If so - is this how Clem not involved in the liquidation of the company

I don't care to know about Axis or Clem's finances, but something between these two statements from the club (RA)/Clem's spokesperson don't add up to me.
I am sceptical enough to think that the statements are partial truths intended to obfuscate the whole truth for some reason.
I care because the club has been dragged into this and I don't think Clem and by extension the club, is being open and honest with the fans (even those who don't care)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 14:51:25
I believe Clem ceased to be a Director of the company in question about two or three months prior to the Liquidation event.  Likely, the lawyers are suggesting he was not responsible, Liquidator may be trying to determine otherwise.  Outcome - nobody is telling porkies, but the truth is unknown and/or unclear.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 15:52:08
I still havent mentally recovered from my Diamandis dirty protest.

Living a few thousand miles away also stops me from getting banned for speaking out on HTV.
I will leave it the younger mob and just dribble into my beard


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 17:31:58
The obvious question is - if he was neither involved nor owner before it went into liquidation, who was? Was the business sold as a going concern 2 months before it shut? Fat chance of that.
This was where the adver piece went to shit. As I noted at the time I suspect that docs on the aussie version of CH would probably explain it (a cursory google flagged that up to me) but their journalism didn't appear to stretch to spending a few quid downloading them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 17:52:31
This was where the adver piece went to shit. As I noted at the time I suspect that docs on the aussie version of CH would probably explain it (a cursory google flagged that up to me) but their journalism didn't appear to stretch to spending a few quid downloading them.

I don't believe the Adver has backtracked though - it's clarified that Clem was not a Director of the business on the date of liquidation, but not gone any further because it is true he was not.  The issue was that he had only just ceased to be and his statement suggested it was just a dormant business, when in fact it owes people money.

There is a grey area around whether or not someone in Aus is trying to determine whether Clem has a level of financial responsibility to the creditors - something Clem denies, to be clear.  The Adver has not confirmed either way on that front - leaving it still open for further research.  And even if a local Liquidator was trying to hold Clem responsible, I guess that would be subject to legal actions, locally.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 18:29:54
Might be worth a quick check of Australian company law, but in the UK there would be no way he could be held liable if he wasn't a director at the time.

Who knows, he might even be a creditor of the liquidated company. Unlikely, but would historic outstanding director loans be covered in the event of liquidation?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 18:41:05
Rob Angus gone according to twitter rumours…


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:08:06
Might be worth a quick check of Australian company law, but in the UK there would be no way he could be held liable if he wasn't a director at the time.

Who knows, he might even be a creditor of the liquidated company. Unlikely, but would historic outstanding director loans be covered in the event of liquidation?
In the UK he would have very limited personal liability even if he was a director at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:12:10
Rob Angus gone according to twitter rumours…

Well he did the lottery draw thing today so I doubt it 😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:19:23
Well he did the lottery draw thing today so I doubt it 😂

Although he did look like a man in a hostage situation on the picture of him doing it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:20:53
Although he did look like a man in a hostage situation on the picture of him doing it!

True 😂😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:26:38
(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/contentassets/f5fc7c4009c24be4a79abb8ffedf040e/lotto-2.jpg)

Proof of life. Is today's newspaper visible?

"They are treating me well."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:35:06
Is that a pencil sharpener?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:36:47
Rob Angus gone according to twitter rumours…
He seems to have gone as many times as Rutger Hauer has died ! (He is still alive isn’t he? Hauer that is!)

Edit: Died in 2019! Maybe Angus has gone!


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:37:20
Rob Angus gone according to twitter rumours…
If he has, good luck to him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:40:47
(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/contentassets/f5fc7c4009c24be4a79abb8ffedf040e/lotto-2.jpg)

Proof of life. Is today's newspaper visible?

"They are treating me well."

Well its not National Lottery levels of a lottery machine is it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:43:05
Hmm


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:46:58
Well its not National Lottery levels of a lottery machine is it

I think it is what Sheridan used to pick his team


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:50:00
Hmm

If that is true, bugger.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:50:46
Eeeeek


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:51:17
But not a surprise.....if true!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:51:59
Welcome back, Swindon Town.
We’ve missed you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:57:11
 :eek:

The can of worms is well and truly open and wriggling


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 19:58:51
Unsure why anyone is really surprised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:06:04
Crowdfund me a grand and I'll ring up he Parladorios and the Kielys and get all the aussie docs down loaded for your perusal.
or .... the Adver could have done this  but they can't afford to be investigative journalists


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:10:46
I’d heard it mentioned that Anthony Hall is effectively CEO in all but name, so Angus’ departure wouldn’t be a surprise.

Good luck to the bloke if true, I can’t imagine it has been much fun in recent months!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:11:46
Who in their right mind thought publishing that photo related to the Lotto thing was a good idea.  Fuck me, it's so tinpot they may as well have had the numbered balls in a tinpot for good measure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:14:37
Who in their right mind thought publishing that photo related to the Lotto thing was a good idea.  Fuck me, it's so tinpot they may as well have had the numbered balls in a tinpot for good measure.

Everything down to the badly applied club sticker on the wall. This club breaks my heart. Absolute basket case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:16:35
Who in their right mind thought publishing that photo related to the Lotto thing was a good idea.  Fuck me, it's so tinpot they may as well have had the numbered balls in a tinpot for good measure.

Not the greatest is it, poor bloke


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:21:01
Final act of a broken man. Sad times for a huge fan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:23:02
Keep the red flag flying high.....and by that I mean a giant red flag in Angus leaving if true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:24:11
Genuinely feel really sad for him if this is true. The whole saga is like a mini Greek tragedy.

Is it bad that I still blame William Patey for this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:25:32
Keep the red flag flying high.....and by that I mean a giant red flag in Angus leaving if true.

(https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/04/44/18/360_F_104441849_VDHEG4eJR6ZzZDKP4lmlMHSqiz3TSkao.jpg)

Aberdeen + Greg Norman = Problems


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:25:51
Well he was brought in to oversea the sale of the club and found the biggest bunch of crooks and scroungers going in Jed, Power and co.....so yeah.

Fuck knows what he's like as a diplomat, I'm surprised Putin hasn't nuked us yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:31:45
Wait till you hear about the supplier chasing payment from the club and getting no answer


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:32:54
Wait till you hear about the supplier chasing payment from the club and getting no answer

Ooh which one


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:34:23
Don't leave us hanging spill the beans😆


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:41:31
(https://www.thenews.com.pk/assets/uploads/tns/2023-03-05/1046516_6247845_tns-86_tns.jpg)

Do you need to pass a fit and proper person's test to be the CEO...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:52:59
Those ‘crisis management’ lawyers are earning their moneys worth at least 😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 20:57:39
The trust need to step up now. From what I’ve heard the club is a mess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:07:34
The trust need to step up now. From what I’ve heard the club is a mess.

Clem’s Trust Hero Award is worth about as much as Jimmy Savile’s OBE at this point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:18:53
If RA has gone, Anthony Hall will be the new CEO. Guy brought in from Axis that has been around the scene for awhile.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:18:59
Is this actually true? Or is this just another rumour that’s got out of hand again?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:20:14
The trust need to step up now. From what I’ve heard the club is a mess.

No surprises with what we have ended up with.
Not exactly trustworthy individuals. Standing running the show.
Feel for Angus but had no say in anything other than to keep the natives happy.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:27:32
Previously mentioned... just hope the Trust who I presume were party and fully aware of ALL terms and conditions of the purchase agreement relating to the Ground and helped with the aid of the Eady trust are well lawyered up.

Suggest they will need to be.



        


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:30:10
I wonder if Clem is now frantically trying to get RA on a NDA.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:43:06
I wonder if Clem is now frantically trying to get RA on a NDA.

I expect he already is as part of his employment contract.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:49:36
How confident are people that RA has left?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 21:54:59
How confident are people that RA has left?

Very


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 22:02:01
oh.

He seems to be a lame duck CEO suffering mild reputational damage so it wouldn't be a massive surprise.

He doesn't deserve to be aboard for any incoming shit show (and no I don't know there is one)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 22:12:46
Was Lee Power wrong about Clem? Seems like it might be the only time he ever told the truth in his life sadly.

Has anyone got Able’s number?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 7, 2023, 23:02:47
So it seems all the concerns we’ve raised over the last couple of years are unfortunately valid…. How very STFC

If only there was an organisation that was supposed to hold the club to account…. Whilst I wouldn’t belittle people doing stuff for free in their own time surely the Trust asking questions now is all a bit pointless as certain Trust board members positions effectively become untenable. You can’t credibly go from being Clem’s biggest fan, popping up defending him at every opportunity including on this forum to suddenly claiming to be pushing the difficult questions. They’ve spent the last 2 years paying lip service to any concerns raised and allowing the club to fob them off.

I’ve obviously been very vocal in my concerns previously but when a perspective owner and then incumbent owner uses the supporters Trust and ‘influential’ supporters to in effect be his PR department it was always a red flag. In hindsight he was clearly pretty calculated in who he allowed to enter his inner circle. The only question is whether Clem is the poor fall guy for someone else similar to Angus for him, or whether Clem is in fact ‘dodgy’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 05:54:04
I’m not sure any league football club owner is whiter than white. The trust and RAs problem is they believed clem was. I’ve always been a bit sceptical but I still think clem has cleaned up quite a bit of mess. I you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Charlie Henry on Friday, September 8, 2023, 06:01:57
I can't quite believe everyone's favourite scouse "entrepreneur" Rikki Hunt has been forgotten while discussing our well established rogues hall of fame... Could we re-name the toilet blocks in their honour?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, September 8, 2023, 06:23:43
Fooled me once won’t fool me again. Will be interesting to see how this pans out during the season. Clem would have to come up with some incredible bullshit in end of season program notes to shift season tickets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 8, 2023, 06:38:16
I noticed that the journalist who did the Adver article of the Axis monies owed earlier this week has this to say yesterday morning:
'Any of my fellow journalists had any dealings with crisis management lawyers?

If so, did it make you more or less compelled to keep reporting and looking into the thing they’re trying to
crisis manage?'



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 06:48:21
So it seems all the concerns we’ve raised over the last couple of years are unfortunately valid…. How very STFC

If only there was an organisation that was supposed to hold the club to account…. Whilst I wouldn’t belittle people doing stuff for free in their own time surely the Trust asking questions now is all a bit pointless as certain Trust board members positions effectively become untenable. You can’t credibly go from being Clem’s biggest fan, popping up defending him at every opportunity including on this forum to suddenly claiming to be pushing the difficult questions. They’ve spent the last 2 years paying lip service to any concerns raised and allowing the club to fob them off.

I’ve obviously been very vocal in my concerns previously but when a perspective owner and then incumbent owner uses the supporters Trust and ‘influential’ supporters to in effect be his PR department it was always a red flag. In hindsight he was clearly pretty calculated in who he allowed to enter his inner circle. The only question is whether Clem is the poor fall guy for someone else similar to Angus for him, or whether Clem is in fact ‘dodgy’.

I'm sure people think I bang on about this but it is worth going to the Trust's very own timeline to remember how this panned out.

https://truststfc.com/history-and-timeline/

The conflict of interest was absolutely glaring from day one.

They went on national media to force Power out with their 'No Money No Power' campaign.

They even trumpeted their significant due diligence and yet somehow seemingly missed that the proposed Vice Chairman had done porridge for laundering drugs money.

They have, for some reason or other, been absolutely blind to things that have been glaringly obvious to many.

It was clear from the Man City ticket debacle that Clem or whoever pulls the strings didn't give a tinker's fuck what the Trust thought once they were actually through the door. What Supporters' Trust in their right mind would allow the hounding of people not to ask for their season ticket refunds? It was shamefully blinkered.

When is the next Trust AGM? Not much point trying to change direction unless they are prepared to have a clear out. We will need to have a working Supporters' Trust for the next phase of this odyssey.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:19:18
Fooled me once won’t fool me again. Will be interesting to see how this pans out during the season. Clem would have to come up with some incredible bullshit in end of season program notes to shift season tickets.

Shouldn't be a problem with promotion in the bag.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:21:24
The last Trust AGM was in on 22nd March, so about six months away from the next one. Worth saying that not every member of the current board was part of it during the events laid out above - obviously some of the higher profile ones have been very vocally behind the current ownership in all their decisions, but I don't think that's a unanimous view in private.

Also worth saying that as disappointing as all the recent events have been, we are in a better position than we were three years ago - joint ownership of the ground is an unalloyed good thing, and the legal contracts in place around that joint ownership look (to this untrained eye) waterproof in terms of protecting the fans and the club from any owner current or future trying to exploit it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:23:47
I'm sure people think I bang on about this but it is worth going to the Trust's very own timeline to remember how this panned out.

https://truststfc.com/history-and-timeline/

The conflict of interest was absolutely glaring from day one.

They went on national media to force Power out with their 'No Money No Power' campaign.

They even trumpeted their significant due diligence and yet somehow seemingly missed that the proposed Vice Chairman had done porridge for laundering drugs money.

They have, for some reason or other, been absolutely blind to things that have been glaringly obvious to many.

It was clear from the Man City ticket debacle that Clem or whoever pulls the strings didn't give a tinker's fuck what the Trust thought once they were actually through the door. What Supporters' Trust in their right mind would allow the hounding of people not to ask for their season ticket refunds? It was shamefully blinkered.

When is the next Trust AGM? Not much point trying to change direction unless they are prepared to have a clear out. We will need to have a working Supporters' Trust for the next phase of this odyssey.



I'm not sure quite what your issue is with the Trust, your captain hindsight routine is laughable.

Would you have preferred Power to carry on, not paying anyone and then putting STFC into admin?

The Trust can question (as they did) e.g. man city tickets but at the end of the day they don't make the decisions.

To your final point 7 of the current 11 on the board are new and have no links to the takeover. By all means you could get off your keyboard and put yourself up for the board?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:26:42
All credit that the current regime has the club's best interest at heart goes with Angus gone. Funny how all of this has unravelled after the stadium has been purchased. Corrupt fuckers  :smugfu:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:30:10
I'm not sure quite what your issue is with the Trust, your captain hindsight routine is laughable.

Would you have preferred Power to carry on, not paying anyone and then putting STFC into admin?

The Trust can question (as they did) e.g. man city tickets but at the end of the day they don't make the decisions.

To your final point 7 of the current 11 on the board are new and have no links to the takeover. By all means you could get off your keyboard and put yourself up for the board?



A classic pro-Trust response I'm afraid. It seems they can't be criticised unless you are prepared to stand for the board... All very Clem Jong Un.

My issue with the Trust is that they've hitched our wagon, and Nigel Eady's money, to a bunch of charlatans and crooks.

It's not hindsight if you said it at the time either is it? And got head patted by people in the Trust. "Clem's the real deal" etc.

This was blindingly obvious to many. From the outside looking in it seems like a handful of people have been able to vigorously pursue a chosen outcome in spite of all the red flags in the world.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:38:29
OK, I get where you’re coming from, but what exactly are all these charlatans doing that is detrimental to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:39:32
The cold hard facts as I see it... Morfuni was the only person able to move Power on.

The club would not be currently be trading today if Morfuni had not wrestled and won his fight with Power.

We don't have any other options but to simply wait and see what happens next.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:40:49
Read the Joint Venture terms and clauses, it's pretty clear not everyone in the Trust had absolute faith in the owners' goodwill - even if it was couched as future owners. I don't think it's fair to say Eady's money has been squandered here, yes Clem benefits but no more than any owner would and the scope for nefarious stuff is very limited.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:40:55
A classic pro-Trust response I'm afraid. It seems they can't be criticised unless you are prepared to stand for the board... All very Clem Jong Un.

My issue with the Trust is that they've hitched our wagon, and Nigel Eady's money, to a bunch of charlatans and crooks.

It's not hindsight if you said it at the time either is it? And got head patted by people in the Trust. "Clem's the real deal" etc.

This was blindingly obvious to many. From the outside looking in it seems like a handful of people have been able to vigorously pursue a chosen outcome in spite of all the red flags in the world.


I think you need to get down from your soap box, my point was that if you want to do more than type on your keyboard, you have a way to influence it.

Yeah my bad, we did have loads of billionaires queuing up to take over STFC, I can't remember anyone else in the running? apart from 'Able' who no one knew anything about, unless I'm wrong?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:41:10
OK, I get where you’re coming from, but what exactly are all these charlatans doing that is detrimental to the club.

Looking to exploit it for financial gain rather than investing in a “competitive budget” for starters…!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:42:40
OK, I get where you’re coming from, but what exactly are all these charlatans doing that is detrimental to the club.

Hang on - you don't want to be accused of being pro trust, you cant question his posts!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:43:01
Looking to exploit it for financial gain rather than investing in a “competitive budget” for starters…!

I get that football isn’t just any other business…but…
Aren’t all business owners looking to exploit said business for financial gain? That’s why they run businesses…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:44:10
I think you need to get down from your soap box, my point was that if you want to do more than type on your keyboard, you have a way to influence it.

Yeah my bad, we did have loads of billionaires queuing up to take over STFC, I can't remember anyone else in the running? apart from 'Able' who no one knew anything about, unless I'm wrong?



The “only game in town” argument is fine on one level.

But did that necessitate the Trust jumping into bed with Clem et al, lock stock and barrel. Crystal awards, national media, we’ve got our club back and all the other madness?

I don’t see that it did. Healthy distance could and should have been maintained.

Did it necessitate the ground purchase at this point? No it didn’t.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:47:02
DIV...
You must have had some very bad experiences in the past. The simply fact is there are good business people and just hope one day Town find one to help and assist the future of STFC.
Something good will come out of this situation. Just we cant see it yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:49:08
Did it necessitate the ground purchase at this point? No it didn’t.

Not sure I quite understand the phrasing here, are you suggesting that the joint venture shouldn't have completed the purchase whilst Clem was the owner, or that "being too close to Clem" wasn't necessary for the purchase to go ahead?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:51:57
Not sure I quite understand the phrasing here, are you suggesting that the joint venture shouldn't have completed the purchase whilst Clem was the owner, or that "being too close to Clem" wasn't necessary for the purchase to go ahead?

Sorry, the former. Especially as there was plenty of doubt whether he was the owner! And with Zav, Hart et al in the wings.

And look, this is a forum, it’s about debate. I totally get there are differing opinions. I’m happy to defend my position but respect those that disagree with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:54:54
Looking to exploit it for financial gain rather than investing in a “competitive budget” for starters…!
OK, I’ll run with that. Where can you point me so that I can see that the clubs income has been plundered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:57:21
Sorry, the former.

And look, this is a forum, it’s about debate. I totally get there are differing opinions. I’m happy to defend my position but respect those that disagree with it.

As long as it's not criticising Tom Brewitt ;)

In which case, this is the first thing I fully disagree with you on - the ground purchase is a good thing, done well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:57:52
DIV...
You must have had some very bad experiences in the past. The simply fact is there are good business people and just hope one day Town find one to help and assist the future of STFC.
Something good will come out of this situation. Just we cant see it yet.

…but…even good businessmen run their business for financial gain don’t they?
Whether a businessman is a ‘good’ one or a ‘bad’ one has nothing to do with whether they are trying to gain financially from said business.
They all do - that’s why it’s a business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 07:59:31
OK, I’ll run with that. Where can you point me so that I can see that the clubs income has been plundered.

You are right, that isn't 'in the open' yet and I'm not a forensic accountant. When it all starts getting a bit 'Companies House' I have to defer to others!

But I would ask, do you think our current squad and skeleton office staff is commensurate to a club with 9,000 attendances and extremely high ticket prices that has recently been gifted a sizeable asset?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 08:01:06
As long as it's not criticising Tom Brewitt ;)

In which case, this is the first thing I fully disagree with you on - the ground purchase is a good thing, done well.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

It isn't even criticism of Brewitt I have an issue with! It's just targeting him and ignoring others. But yes, I have his poster above my bed  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 08:04:02
Could it just be that Aberdeen has decided the hassle of being STFC CEO is not for him and he just wants to go back to being a supporter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 08:19:13
Could it just be that Aberdeen has decided the hassle of being STFC CEO is not for him and he just wants to go back to being a supporter.

If you were Bob1973 I'd be thinking you could be Aberdeen!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 08:19:36
You are right, that isn't 'in the open' yet and I'm not a forensic accountant. When it all starts getting a bit 'Companies House' I have to defer to others!

But I would ask, do you think our current squad and skeleton office staff is commensurate to a club with 9,000 attendances and extremely high ticket prices that has recently been gifted a sizeable asset?
50% of an asset. How does anyone extract money from that. With or without Aberdeen the Trust will still have to be involved if someone wants to raise capital (borrow against) the ground. Current squad is just that - current. If a couple of free agents are signed would that be acceptable.

Sure, low levels of support staff is a pest when it affects someone personally - me turning up and the shop is shut - but that doesn’t impact the playing side.

Tbh, if the accounts filed annually revert back to Power’s minimalised version, that’s the time to worry. But while full accounts are filed for those more knowledgeable than me to pour over its pure conjecture that we’re being raped. Again, I don’t know if there are ways for some income to not go through the accounts and straight into pockets .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:01:45
Guys, soon

We will get to know who is pulling the strings here.

A fiver says it is Standing.

Obviously, I have not seen the ground purchase agreement, however Morfuni said some thing strange in a recent interview when he mentioned that he had purchased (owns) the ground and was allowing the supporters to join him.

I could be wrong because I can't find his comments again to verify this.

     


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:02:49
How do you go about getting stfc lotto tickets?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:06:11
Nobody has won on it yet either


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:07:25
50% of an asset. How does anyone extract money from that. With or without Aberdeen the Trust will still have to be involved if someone wants to raise capital (borrow against) the ground. Current squad is just that - current. If a couple of free agents are signed would that be acceptable.

Sure, low levels of support staff is a pest when it affects someone personally - me turning up and the shop is shut - but that doesn’t impact the playing side.

Tbh, if the accounts filed annually revert back to Power’s minimalised version, that’s the time to worry. But while full accounts are filed for those more knowledgeable than me to pour over its pure conjecture that we’re being raped. Again, I don’t know if there are ways for some income to not go through the accounts and straight into pockets .

I think RobertT has covered that first point off before. It was above my head! But I do believe that 'Clem' benefits from his 50% share when/if he sells.

On the staffing, how did not having a Club Secretary damage our January window?

To be clear again, I'm not saying we are currently being raped. I have my suspicions but you are right, there is no evidence we are yet. But I hugely resent the "we've got our club back" rhetoric that was aggressively deployed, with dissenting voices shouted down, when this Trust-backed takeover happened. My issue is much more that this was obviously all built on lies. I also don't want to be lining the pockets of ex-drugs traffickers and launderers when I come to a match. That doesn't feel much to ask.

And when I say "The Trust", I appreciate that not everyone there will have agreed with this direction of travel but I'd rather just refer to the collective to avoid unpleasantness.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:07:45
Nobody has won on it yet either

I wonder how much income it raises?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:14:41
I think RobertT has covered that first point off before. It was above my head! But I do believe that 'Clem' benefits from his 50% share when/if he sells.

On the staffing, how did not having a Club Secretary damage our January window?

To be clear again, I'm not saying we are currently being raped. I have my suspicions but you are right, there is no evidence we are yet. But I hugely resent the "we've got our club back" rhetoric that was aggressively deployed, with dissenting voices shouted down, when this Trust-backed takeover happened. My issue is much more that this was obviously all built on lies. I also don't want to be lining the pockets of ex-drugs traffickers and launderers when I come to a match. That doesn't feel much to ask.

And when I say "The Trust", I appreciate that not everyone there will have agreed with this direction of travel but I'd rather just refer to the collective to avoid unpleasantness.

I was thinking on Clem’s exit. Is it likely that someone would buy the club but not the 50% of the CG. Would someone buy his 50% of the CG but not the club. I think it might prove to be a tricky sell. I presume you’d be happy as a pig in shit if Clem sold up even if he walked away with a profit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:15:37
I was thinking on Clem’s exit. Is it likely that someone would buy the club but not the 50% of the CG. Would someone buy his 50% of the CG but not the club. I think it might prove to be a tricky sell. I presume you’d be happy as a pig in shit if Clem sold up even if he walked away with a profit.

Depends who the next guy is... Adolf Eichmann on our current trajectory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:17:28
It’s always going to depend on the next guy at every club. You’d like to think we’ve had our fair share of dodgers and should be due a decent one. Where’s that can of Red Bull?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:24:22
I wonder how much income it raises?

So the jackpot is £250 per week and rolls over till won, so they need to cover £13k for the year. At £5 per month, they need 216 people playing to cover the jackpot. The last number of people I saw playing was about 200, which isn’t going to fill the coffers.

The problem is with only one prize, people will tire of this very quickly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:35:12
Could it just be that Aberdeen has decided the hassle of being STFC CEO is not for him and he just wants to go back to being a supporter.

Understandable if so, the bloke has taken a huge amount of unwarranted shite on social media, the idea being touted previously by some that he should stand down on principle (rather ignoring that no doubt he has a mortgage to pay and a family to feed like the rest of us) was frankly so detached from reality it was amusing.

I see that the Trust are now apparently entirely responsible for the decisions of the Nigel Eady Trust and that Clem/RA are being compared to actual Nazi's...

Fucks sake, hyperbole doesn't come fecking close.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:38:44
Noticed JanAirplaneMan was logged in this morning. Thought he may have confirmed or denied Aberdeen’s position.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:40:21
I was thinking on Clem’s exit. Is it likely that someone would buy the club but not the 50% of the CG. Would someone buy his 50% of the CG but not the club. I think it might prove to be a tricky sell. I presume you’d be happy as a pig in shit if Clem sold up even if he walked away with a profit.

As far as I'm aware the 50% share of the CG goes with selling the club.
There's no option for one or the other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:42:43
Noticed JanAirplaneMan was logged in this morning. Thought he may have confirmed or denied Aberdeen’s position.
It would have been highly inappropriate if he did!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:44:43
As far as I'm aware the 50% share of the CG goes with selling the club.
There's no option for one or the other.
Yeah I'm really sure too that the JV agreements are really watertight and protect us quite well. I'm sure a unanimous vote of some kind is needed to allow the clubs 50% to be transferred elsewhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:47:14
Understandable if so, the bloke has taken a huge amount of unwarranted shite on social media, the idea being touted previously by some that he should stand down on principle (rather ignoring that no doubt he has a mortgage to pay and a family to feed like the rest of us) was frankly so detached from reality it was amusing.

I see that the Trust are now apparently entirely responsible for the decisions of the Nigel Eady Trust and that Clem/RA are being compared to actual Nazi's...

Fucks sake, hyperbole doesn't come fecking close.

They clearly aren't. That was a joke about the trajectory of the ownership. Andrew Black>Jed>Power>Zav/Hart et al. It's the Evolution of Man in reverse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:53:43
As far as I'm aware the 50% share of the CG goes with selling the club.
There's no option for one or the other.
Not sure that’s a good thing or a bad thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, September 8, 2023, 09:57:17
They clearly aren't. That was a joke about the trajectory of the ownership.

Are you suggesting that Clem is worse than Power? Surely the trajectory is going in the right direction!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:00:11
Are you suggesting that Clem is worse than Power? Surely the trajectory is going in the right direction!

'Clem' may well not be the owner! Hart/Austin I would file under 'worse than Power.'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:00:45
Whelans enquiries to the club RE Angus have been responded with 'no comment'. That's as much as confirmation then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:04:18
I think RobertT has covered that first point off before. It was above my head! But I do believe that 'Clem' benefits from his 50% share when/if he sells.


He potentially does, but it also depends on how the purchaser values the share as if they also have a similarly clued up advisor on board they will advise if things such as that are inflated. From experience, there is also often issues going forward with development if property interests and BAV are put too high in accounting documents/business valuations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:05:48
Are you suggesting that Clem is worse than Power? Surely the trajectory is going in the right direction!

It is becoming very Powerish with Morfuni.

He is no worse but its becoming evident that he is no better


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:25:13
It is becoming very Powerish with Morfuni.

He is no worse but its becoming evident that he is no better

Whilst there seems to be a lot of confusion over who is actually running the show and who owns the club, it doesn't seem like anyone is bleeding the club dry like Power was. We were paying him for consultancy services ffs!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:26:40
Wasn’t it £14,000 per month interest on his ‘loans’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:27:47
Whilst there seems to be a lot of confusion over who is actually running the show and who owns the club, it doesn't seem like anyone is bleeding the club dry like Power was. We were paying him for consultancy services ffs!

Kiely and Hart have been getting consultancy fees, no?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:29:15
Where’s any proof Standing is still in the picture?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:32:02
Where’s any proof Standing is still in the picture?

I believe he formulated the plans which saw the club invade Poland, obviously aided and abetted by those nefarious bastards at the Trust as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:38:58
It is becoming very Powerish with Morfuni.

He is no worse but its becoming evident that he is no better
He has put in his own money and cleared debts. Power paid himself a research fee , didn't give cars back and paid Zav 5k a month

Batter the bloke for loads of things he has done wrong but at least be fair


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:40:13
I believe he formulated the plans which saw the club invade Poland, obviously aided and abetted by those nefarious bastards at the Trust as well.

Ho ho ho. I get the little digs here, and perhaps you are involved in the Trust and may even have been the one dissenting voice, I don't know. As I say, there is a reason I'm lumping the Trust in as one, which I've explained.

Can I just ask if you think it was healthy that the Trust got into bed with this regime to the extent that they did? In a broad sense.

After what happened with Power, I am saddened that people are still taking this approach with fans that have legitimate concerns. I'm not sat on Twitter flinging personal shit at people.

Plenty of people I know and trust have said Standing is involved, which does have implications for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:41:31
Kiely and Hart have been getting consultancy fees, no?

Personal opinions on overall worthiness & backgrounds aside.

For professional services rendered?
If so, is that wrong?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:41:34
He has put in his own money and cleared debts. Power paid himself a research fee , didn't give cars back and paid Zav 5k a month

Batter the bloke for loads of things he has done wrong but at least be fair

I am being fair..

Keep burying your head in the sand with Morfuni.

Like Power he put all his money in to clear debts, then found he did not have the cash to sustain it.

Believe me he has as many skeletons in the closet ready to come out as Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:43:29
Why do you always say burying my head? i have constantly said it is a joke there ?

What is stopping you saying what these skeletons are?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:44:58
I am being fair..

Keep burying your head in the sand with Morfuni.

Like Power he put all his money in to clear debts, then found he did not have the cash to sustain it.

Believe me he has as many skeletons in the closet ready to come out as Power

I'm so far out of the loop, I don't know any inside information. You seem to at least allude to knowing some of the things going on at the club, why don't you just tell us instead of skirting around the facts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:45:06
Ho ho ho. I get the little digs here, and perhaps you are involved in the Trust and may even have been the one dissenting voice, I don't know. As I say, there is a reason I'm lumping the Trust in as one, which I've explained.

Can I just ask if you think it was healthy that the Trust got into bed with this regime to the extent that they did? In a broad sense.

After what happened with Power, I am saddened that people are still taking this approach with fans that have legitimate concerns. I'm not sat on Twitter flinging personal shit at people.

Plenty of people I know and trust have said Standing is involved, which does have implications for the club.

It has clearly turned into a clusterfuck at the moment but what was te alternative at the time, this is not a at least we have a club post but what realistic options did we have, the choice was Power or Morfuni


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:45:41
Why do you always say burying my head? i have constantly said it is a joke there ?

What is stopping you saying what these skeletons are?
I thought he put Jack shit into the club himself - he used patsies like Clem and Standing. That’s what the entire Power v Standing case is about - he put in £6m and wants it back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:46:17
Personal opinions on overall worthiness & backgrounds aside.

For professional services rendered?
If so, is that wrong?

I appreciate that I'm quite literally being Satan's advocate here, which turns my stomach, but did Power not render some reasonable services in terms of finding players and bringing them in? Not sure that he should have billed for them but that's probably the only gold star in his school star chart.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:46:47
It has clearly turned into a clusterfuck at the moment but what was te alternative at the time, this is not a at least we have a club post but what realistic options did we have, the choice was Power or Morfuni
The alternative was admin, points deduction and non league.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:48:29
It has clearly turned into a clusterfuck at the moment but what was te alternative at the time, this is not a at least we have a club post but what realistic options did we have, the choice was Power or Morfuni

We are in skipped record territory. I get that Morfuni was the only game in town due to a paperwork quirk. Fully appreciate that. It was what it was.

BUT THE TRUST DIDN'T HAVE TO GET INTO BED WITH HIM! That's the point. This wasn't a binary choice. Sorry for the block caps but bloody hell, this is tiring... They could and should have maintained distance and held him to account.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:52:02
The alternative was admin, points deduction and non league.

Sounds better than just making up the numbers as a mid table L2 side…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:53:46
Sounds better than just making up the numbers as a mid table L2 side…
Really? Along with Power/Able still at the helm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 10:54:26
Sounds better than just making up the numbers as a mid table L2 side…

So you would rather we dropped out of the league..?

 :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:01:04
So you would rather we dropped out of the league..?

 :doh:

In all fairness, there has been recent success of sides going down to National League and below and overtaking us on their way back up (Stockport, Bristol Rovers, Notts County, Lincoln and Luton to name a few)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:02:58
Got to be some trolling going on here. Dropping out the league with no guarantee of getting back in, Laughable. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:03:11
In all fairness, there has been recent success of sides going down to National League and below and overtaking us on their way back up (Stockport, Bristol Rovers, Notts County, Lincoln and Luton to name a few)

Also many more who have dropped and continued to drop.

Those you mention went down and came back back up with decent owners......



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:04:15
Also many more who have dropped and continued to drop.

Those you mention went down and came back back up with decent owners......



Why have those sides interested decent owners over a club the size of Swindon?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:06:32
I appreciate that I'm quite literally being Satan's advocate here, which turns my stomach, but did Power not render some reasonable services in terms of finding players and bringing them in? Not sure that he should have billed for them but that's probably the only gold star in his school star chart.



Yeah fair enough, let's also remember that Fitton took a cut of the Austin transfer, described as a "finders fee" if I remember.

It's interesting to compare Power & Clem in terms of stated intentions.
Power was brazen in admitting that he was only in it for the money whereas Clem has repeatedly stated that he won't take any money out & every penny will be reinvested.

I'm not sure what to make of it all at the moment.
Having suffered under Australian ownership in one of my former places of work (company ended up in administration) with the former owners in hiding from the police!
I did get the impression that Australian business models might err be somewhat different to what we are used to in the UK.

The trusting nature side of me would like to think that Clem’s heart is in the right place as far as intentions for the club go.
At least the CG purchase should in theory add a little more resilience if it ever came to existential threat.
The cynical side of me would say that Clem is at heart a capitalist ergo the absolute truth might not always win out over self interest / ego, call it what you will.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:06:48
In all fairness, there has been recent success of sides going down to National League and below and overtaking us on their way back up (Stockport, Bristol Rovers, Notts County, Lincoln and Luton to name a few)

Just as many that have not had such a good time
Southend, Scunthorpe, Torquay, Halifax, Darlington, Hereford, Boston, Chester, Yeovil & York.
So no guarantee that we would see the FL again in my lifetime.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:07:01
In all fairness, there has been recent success of sides going down to National League and below and overtaking us on their way back up (Stockport, Bristol Rovers, Notts County, Lincoln and Luton to name a few)
Stockport and Notts County?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:14:40
Am I not looking at twitter right or did Ryan Whelan delete this tweet about Angus?

Update. Yep, he deleted the "No comment" tweet from his contact at the club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:14:58
The only clusterfuck here is you lot clutching at straws.

I wonder how many of you put this much interest and level of investigation into other companies like your water suppliers or the company that provides your electricity?

At the end of the day this is a business and it will be run as such. Shares being given as security for money that was not readily available is not something to be too concerned about. We all know how impossible it can be to get large sums of money out of a bank at a pinch, and that's made doubly harder when most of that money is tied up in assets in a completely different country in a completely different currency.

Could have been clearer with the messaging I agree but the ensuing meltdown is completely of your own making and entirely in your own heads. The new guy adver (who reads these forums btw) has clearly seen what you have all been saying and decided he can make an instant impact with a small minority of fans ( I think about 10-15 of you) by posting an article like that purely to generate visits.

Football clubs are trading around like vintage cars between people with more more money than sense and as long as I get to watch football and live in the hope that we will get promoted I couldn't give a flying sausage about what's going on behind the scenes.

I honestly can't believe how much you all enjoy this! Do you not have lives outside this forum?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:17:41
We are in skipped record territory. I get that Morfuni was the only game in town due to a paperwork quirk. Fully appreciate that. It was what it was.

BUT THE TRUST DIDN'T HAVE TO GET INTO BED WITH HIM! That's the point. This wasn't a binary choice. Sorry for the block caps but bloody hell, this is tiring... They could and should have maintained distance and held him to account.

You really do have a bee in your bonnet about this.

What in your mind would be holding him to account? Remember this is a supporters trust that doesn't have any powers over what the club does.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:18:24
The only clusterfuck here is you lot clutching at straws.

I wonder how many of you put this much interest and level of investigation into other companies like your water suppliers or the company that provides your electricity?

At the end of the day this is a business and it will be run as such. Shares being given as security for money that was not readily available is not something to be too concerned about. We all know how impossible it can be to get large sums of money out of a bank at a pinch, and that's made doubly harder when most of that money is tied up in assets in a completely different country in a completely different currency.

Could have been clearer with the messaging I agree but the ensuing meltdown is completely of your own making and entirely in your own heads. The guy at the new guy adver (who reads these forums btw) has clearly seen what you have all been saying and decided he can make an instant impact with a small minority of fans ( I think about 10-15 of you) by posting an article like that purely to generate visits.

Football clubs are trading around like vintage cars between people with more more money than sense and as long as I get to watch football and live in the hope that we will get promoted I couldn't give a flying sausage about what's going on behind the scenes.

I honestly can't believe how much you all enjoy this! Do you not have lives outside this forum?

 :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:21:32
:doh:

And you can sod off with your "in the know" bullshit lording over everyone.

You are one of the key offenders in stoking this fire making claims and then never backing them up. Pretty much the epitome of a troll and people have fallen for it.

If you knew so much you would actually tell people what you know instead of being cryptic and just watching the forum burn down around you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:23:30
The only clusterfuck here is you lot clutching at straws.

I wonder how many of you put this much interest and level of investigation into other companies like your water suppliers or the company that provides your electricity?

There's straw man arguments and then there's this!

Wessex Water til' I die!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:25:46
There's straw man arguments and then there's this!

Wessex Water til' I die!

British Gas Barmy Army!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:26:37
British Gas Barmy Army!

You're so shit it's unbelievable!

Nationalised in the morning, you're getting nationalised in the morning!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:28:09
You really do have a bee in your bonnet about this.

What in your mind would be holding him to account? Remember this is a supporters trust that doesn't have any powers over what the club does.

Yes, it saddens me that people can't see that our Supporters' Trust didn't have to smooth the path for an ex drugs money launderer to become our Vice Chairman (albeit never ratified etc), for example.

And in terms of holding a club to account, rightly or wrongly, our very own managed to get on national media with their No Money No Power campaign and probably encouraged lots of people to withhold their dough.

There are lots of examples of Supporters' Trusts having an impact.

We can all agree that we aren't Swindon fans because we really care about results. That is a cherry on top. But for much the same reason I wouldn't fraternise a pub if I thought it was an IRA front, I'm saddened that our little club that we love dearly has been corrupted by people that most law abiding citizens would consider 'undesirable' and others who don't have its best interests at heart.

I'd be very content with us being a well run, happy family club where people answer the phone and your money is genuinely re-invested back into the running of it. Even L2 doesn't bother me. I want to feel proud of it and I don't and haven't since Jed rode into town on his pantomime horse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:28:18
Not sure that football clubs can or should be run as businesses in the normal understanding of the word.

The market forces are different, yeah clubs have commercial arms that can generate income alongside periodic sale of assets, but most are loss making to say the least & would collapse if the backing was withdrawn.

Ultimately if M&S failed then I'd buy the grundies elsewhere without a second thought.
Not so with a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:28:48
So you would rather we dropped out of the league..?

 :doh:

Are you going to ignore the question about what is stopping you saying what these skeletons are?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:29:48
So the last 25 years have been club lives beyond it's income, runs up debts to owner or HMRC etc, goes into admin or sold on cheap to a new owner as current owner runs out of money, goodwill or both.

New owner comes in to pay off old debts and eventually runs out of money, never had in the first place or goodwill to fund. Then repeat the cycle every few years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:31:44
It’s hardly as if you are dissatisfied with your chosen football club you can just drop it for another one.

People have invested their money and emotions into this club for years. Before social media I’m sure previous owners were milking the club - especially when you still paid actual cash at the turnstiles and downgraded attendance figures.

Nobody, apart from an ardent fan, is going to buy a club for philanthropic reasons - they do it for the kudos and to make money.

Until one of us fuckwits wins the Euro Millions and gives it a go ourselves . . .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:32:11
Are you going to ignore the question about what is stopping you saying what these skeletons are?

Not ignoring you!

It would not be believed so no point in posting...

It'll all come out very soon...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:33:04
You're so shit it's unbelievable!

Nationalised in the morning, you're getting nationalised in the morning!

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:33:38
So the last 25 years have been club lives beyond it's income, runs up debts to owner or HMRC etc, goes into admin or sold on cheap to a new owner as current owner runs out of money, goodwill or both.

New owner comes in to pay off old debts and eventually runs out of money, never had in the first place or goodwill to fund. Then repeat the cycle every few years.

And that's how it will continue.....

Unless someone totally disconnected with a current owner throws their hat in the ring....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:33:46
Not ignoring you!

It would not be believed so no point in posting...

It'll all come out very soon...

Well just tell us now, then you can say I told you so…..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:40:29
Not ignoring you!

It would not be believed so no point in posting...

It'll all come out very soon...

No one believes you because you don't tell anyone anything. There is nothing to believe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:41:29
Not ignoring you!

It would not be believed so no point in posting...

It'll all come out very soon...

You're a fucking bell end.

If nobody would believe you why post the cryptic shit in the first place.
Come on, out with it and  "we" your audience will decide if we believe it or not. If your allegations come true then I will hold my hands up. Until then put up or shut up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:47:38
You're a fucking bell end.

If nobody would believe you why post the cryptic shit in the first place.
Come on, out with it and  "we" your audience will decide if we believe it or not. If your allegations come true then I will hold my hands up. Until then put up or shut up.

Haha

 :smugfu:



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:48:06
I presume the silence from the club on this matter is playing for time to spin it - if possible. Or Aberdeen is calling Clem’s bluff to insist on less bullshit and more transparency.

Does stuff like this have any impact on the team, I wonder.

Plus there’s no need for flinging personal insults.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:49:20
Interesting that we seem to have reached the rehabilitation of Power stage of this charade, perhaps what I was told was not total bollocks as I assumed at the time.

For all those harbingers of doom, what is the outcome you desire and aspire to bearing in mind that as it stands Clem owns the club and there is no apparent interest from anyone to change that; the Trust own 50% of the ground and they appear to be the only show in town in terms of fan engagement?

As being able to say 'I told you so' seems so important to many, I get the impression that the only way we will get to that point is the club going to the wall and all non league?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:50:01
Quote from: tans
Nobody has won on it yet either

assuming you pick your own 3 numbers the odds from 45 balls are over 14000-1.

I think it's fine to put money into the club, as long as people know the odds


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:53:42
Is all this muck slinging likely to carry on until after the court case? Will that even help make matters less confusing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:54:43
I count myself, generally, as a believer that the Trust is a good organisation and has done some great things - I signed up myself.

I do think Mooney is making a valid point - when the sale to Clem was confirmed, following their good work to push Power to the brink (sure, there were many reasons), they had an opportunity to step away from the ownership tussle and focus entirely on the Ground purchase.  They did not need to continue being seen as a PR arm for the club and Clem, they essentially stepped into the Supporters Club role and a little more.  The Joint Venture should have been the focus, which would have enabled them to be much more publicly inquisitive on the general running of the club when odd things started appearing.

I am still not sold on this being a club in crises us such - it could be, there is evidence to support people making that claim.  However, there is also a lack of such evidence to be sure and actions we can look at that suggest efforts to improve the club (in some aspects), that even if they supported a more selfish agenda, end up helping us long term.  For example, the recruitment of Flynn (they could have gone down the Sheridan route), the agreement to a JV on the ground rather than seeking full ownership, the improvement in the season ticket base etc.

That all said, the Trust should be all over the background players right now - if they are all there for good reasons, with nothing but the best intentions, then it will come out.  I really do not care if they feel a little uncomfortable while the customer/supporter base press them to show just that.  They have lost all ability to rely on being trusted to be open and transparent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:58:09
Interesting that we seem to have reached the rehabilitation of Power stage of this charade, perhaps what I was told was not total bollocks as I assumed at the time.

For all those harbingers of doom, what is the outcome you desire and aspire to bearing in mind that as it stands Clem owns the club and there is no apparent interest from anyone to change that; the Trust own 50% of the ground and they appear to be the only show in town in terms of fan engagement?

As being able to say 'I told you so' seems so important to many, I get the impression that the only way we will get to that point is the club going to the wall and all non league?

Horlock, you are a very sane poster in my eyes, but what the fuck are you on about?  I see not one single poster rehabilitating Power, not one.  The best he is getting is people mentioning he brought in some decent talent due to his footballing links, which he did, until he didn't have any more mates to call.  Everyone thinks it was a good idea to get rid, everyone thinks Clem is a better option.  Show me a poster who says otherwise - even Cowley has managed to post that the worst opinion he would have is Clem being as bad as Power, referencing Power being a shit owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, September 8, 2023, 11:58:59
Haha

 :smugfu:


So what do you know the you fucking nut sack


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:01:25
Is all this muck slinging likely to carry on until after the court case? Will that even help make matters less confusing?

No it won't but for fuck sake if you know something and brag like a little school kid about it at least have the decency to say something.
We could all say we know something, say nothing and then say I knew it.
It boils my piss, if he does then say it, otherwise say nothing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:02:34
assuming you pick your own 3 numbers the odds from 45 balls are over 14000-1.

I think it's fine to put money into the club, as long as people know the odds

3 goes at 3 numbers so lessens the odds a little.
Someone will win eventually.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:03:11
Go the Exeter route is an option I suppose. Could the Trust raise enough money from their 50% share to buy Clem out and run the club day to day?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:03:27
For every Cowley there is a Briggany.  Just ignore it - it doesn't add anything to conversation as far as I can tell and doesn't influence or change anything in the world.  Let them ramble.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:04:27
 
So what do you know the you fucking nut sack

Resorting to insults very mature!!

Must be lunchtime at primary stool



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:05:14
No it won't but for fuck sake if you know something and brag like a little school kid about it at least have the decency to say something.
We could all say we know something, say nothing and then say I knew it.
It boils my piss, if he does then say it, otherwise say nothing

I concur. Probably best in situations, especially in something as emotive as this to say nothing at all.

I always knew Ronan Keating's musings would come in handy at some stage!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:06:36
Personal opinions on overall worthiness & backgrounds aside.

For professional services rendered?
If so, is that wrong?

But is it? Is it any different from Lee Powers 'professional services'?

Lack of faith it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:06:48
Go the Exeter route is an option I suppose. Could the Trust raise enough money from their 50% share to buy Clem out and run the club day to day?
Given how starved our budget is already, and without a prosperous academy like Exeter's to boost our finances reguarly, we'll likely plateau under that kind of ownership and eventually regress to non -league as all the financially backed clubs overtake us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:08:03

Resorting to insults very mature!!

Must be lunchtime at primary stool



Must be since your online again pretending to know stuff


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:08:33
Go the Exeter route is an option I suppose. Could the Trust raise enough money from their 50% share to buy Clem out and run the club day to day?

Unlikely.  As they do not also have the Lease, they only have 50% of the the restricted assets value to mortgage.  Clem would want all that, plus the lease, plus whatever % of his loans he wants paid off upfront, or an arrangement to repay in place as part of any sale I imagine.  It's pretty clear, from his own share purchase years ago and what he recently sold off, he values the business at over 10m.  You can maybe half that and agree some repayment terms I imagine, but the 50% JV ownership doesn't secure that funding upfront.

Now, could the Trust play chicken in public with him, maybe?  They could put to the test his public statements and set-up a scheme to reach an agreed deal to purchase the club.  Clem has said he was  not in this for the money, wants the best for the club etc.   Well, in that case get him to agree what terms would be needed for JUST the supporters to buy, not an outside party.  The Trust then have an option to find a way of funding such a deal, via individual contributions and seeking investment partners.  They could very well set-up a JV for the club itself for example - it happens in a lot of sports, not least German football for example.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:08:53
Go the Exeter route is an option I suppose. Could the Trust raise enough money from their 50% share to buy Clem out and run the club day to day?

I would suggest the simple answer to that question is no chance, assume that even if he didn't want to make money he would want the money he has put in back and I don't think that even the Exeter Trust has ever raised that sort of money.

Plus can you imagine the shit show of our split fan base trying to agree on running a club, it would just replace the moaning about Clem with moaning about the Trust.

I honestly don't see a way forward to fix the fissures between club and fan base and factions of the fan base with each other, bar winning football matches, as its stands its getting bloody boring and tedious to try and support this club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:09:12
Given how starved our budget is already, and without a prosperous academy like Exeter's to boost our finances reguarly, we'll likely plateau under that kind of ownership and eventually regress to non -league as all the financially backed clubs overtake us.

You have just described our last three years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:12:57
Why have those sides interested decent owners over a club the size of Swindon?

Is what absolutely kills me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:17:14
Is what absolutely kills me.

I think Joe was intimating that owners buy Non-League clubs that look a bit like us, rather than us, because of something.  I'd wager it's one of the reasons that Reynolds went for Wrexham - the prize fund for winning the league plus the fact you are exempt from FFP for two years after promotion.  Get it right and it can catapult you three divisions quickly.  To get it right, you need a club with a fanbase that can support success, and in turn bring in enough money to make sure you do not cripple yourself trying.  Of course, Wrexham also came with a couple of extra advantages they were clever to spot - the fact Wales use it as a home ground, at least historically, and the fact the Welsh Govt has it's own funds to support regeneration and therefore Grant money was on the table for development.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:29:11
I think Reynolds and McEhelnrey went for Wrexham seeing the large catchment area of North Wales and seeing how Swansea and Cardiff have progressed over the years. That would have always been the main thing.

We have a large catchment area too though, historically.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:31:35
I think Joe was intimating that owners buy Non-League clubs that look a bit like us, rather than us, because of something.  I'd wager it's one of the reasons that Reynolds went for Wrexham - the prize fund for winning the league plus the fact you are exempt from FFP for two years after promotion.  Get it right and it can catapult you three divisions quickly.  To get it right, you need a club with a fanbase that can support success, and in turn bring in enough money to make sure you do not cripple yourself trying.  Of course, Wrexham also came with a couple of extra advantages they were clever to spot - the fact Wales use it as a home ground, at least historically, and the fact the Welsh Govt has it's own funds to support regeneration and therefore Grant money was on the table for development.

On top of all this I don't think the planets have ever really aligned for us to be taken over at a sensible price by a sensible new owners, the only real time was when Black was trying to get out but the speed at which that needed to be done made it a shysters paradise as no sensible person would take over with a due diligence period of about 24 hours.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:34:27
Brady's bunch promised a lot in a short space of time but didn't hang around once the 30,000 stadium, hotel and housing development fell through.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:35:36
But is it? Is it any different from Lee Powers 'professional services'?

Lack of faith it is.

Difference being that Power was the owner.
In general, should an owner of a lower league outfit be taking a "salary" out of their club?
Most fans wouldn't be comfortable with it I suspect, unless they can see very tangible benefits.

As an aside, at the other end of the scale, not sure if the independently wealthy owners of Brighton, Brentford or the guy at Bristol City take money out or benefit financially in any way. The former 2 are also fans if I'm not mistaken & the latter is some kind of altruist given the massive outlay for almost no return.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:37:10
Lansdown is worth more than 2 billion😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:38:00
On top of all this I don't think the planets have ever really aligned for us to be taken over at a sensible price by a sensible new owners, the only real time was when Black was trying to get out but the speed at which that needed to be done made it a shysters paradise as no sensible person would take over with a due diligence period of about 24 hours.

That is why I think now would be a good time for the Trust, with help, to launch a bid - it may not succeed even if Clem bites.

The business itself is steady ish.

It now has a foothold in the ground, gifted to it.

Debts, seemingly, are soft - Director loans, plus whatever the state of the Kiely one is.

Clem does not appear to have money leftover, or someone willing to throw more in easily enough.

Would a Trust or Trust JV with outside investor work, maybe not, but now would be the time to try (taking over a basket case could indeed lead to years of mediocrity as the fans try and figure out how topo run the club on a shoestring).  Right now, the Trust could likely attract some silent, or quiet, partners into the fray and fans have something to actually invest in rather than just buckets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:38:30
City lose more a month and we were losing in multiple years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:40:51
Looks like Whelan has deleted his tweet in ref to Angus, or I'm just blind and can't see it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:40:57
City lose more a month and we were losing in multiple years.

Because they are run like an ego trip - the bringing together of multiple teams for example, to try and make some sort of regional super club, and their constant outlay to try and get to the promise land quickly.  Luton showed most of that league up - most of them are just spunking money with little thought it seems, playing some sort of baby Prem show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:43:16
Incredibly lots of City fans I know aren't happy with Lansdown. They think he's more interested in the rugby than the footballing side. Imagine being unhappy having a billionaire owner who's pumped 10s of millions in to your club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:45:44
Looks like Whelan has deleted his tweet in ref to Angus, or I'm just blind and can't see it.

I mentioned this a few pages back. It was deleted.
We know at some point his departure will be announced.
It’s gone beyond rumour mill.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:46:45
If Angus has left what difference does it make really? Flynn and other football staff report direct to Morfuni. In fact it might help the trust be more independent- at the end of the day Rob was a trust member working for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:51:35
I mentioned this a few pages back. It was deleted.
We know at some point his departure will be announced.
It’s gone beyond rumour mill.

Ah apologies, easy to get lost in all this :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:53:01
I mentioned this a few pages back. It was deleted.
We know at some point his departure will be announced.
It’s gone beyond rumour mill.

Has it gone beyond rumours?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, September 8, 2023, 12:56:16
If Angus has left what difference does it make really? Flynn and other football staff report direct to Morfuni. In fact it might help the trust be more independent- at the end of the day Rob was a trust member working for the club.

I think him being there always left me thinking that he would do his best to make sure that anything going on behind the scenes would be in the best interests of the club. Him leaving could mean that he's had a better offer, or he's just not that into it, or it could mean that he doesn't want to stand by and watch his beloved club get destroyed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:00:50
I think him being there always left me thinking that he would do his best to make sure that anything going on behind the scenes would be in the best interests of the club. Him leaving could mean that he's had a better offer, or he's just not that into it, or it could mean that he doesn't want to stand by and watch his beloved club get destroyed.

I'm sure he would whistle blow if it was that serious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:03:32
All Whelan tweeted was that he got a ‘no comment’ from the club when asked about Rob Angus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:05:41
Has it gone beyond rumours?

Well you’re right, it’s not official but it’s got more legs than the hungry caterpillar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:18:01
I'm sure he would whistle blow if it was that serious.

Would he though, no doubt he is an honourable bloke with the club at heart, but he will also have a mortgage to pay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:21:26
Would he though, no doubt he is an honourable bloke with the club at heart, but he will also have a mortgage to pay.

Some things are more important than mortgages.
Then again a quiet word to former colleagues in the Trust & who would know?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:25:01
Some things are more important than mortgages.
Then again a quiet word to former colleagues in the Trust & who would know?

Or a quiet word to someone who posts on an internet forum?  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:28:53
Probably got fed up of peddling the bullshit. But if a Clem stooge becomes CEO that’s one level of checks and balances gone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:29:16
All Whelan tweeted was that he got a ‘no comment’ from the club when asked about Rob Angus.

Was it "No Comment" or no comment?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:34:53
If Angus has left what difference does it make really? Flynn and other football staff report direct to Morfuni. In fact it might help the trust be more independent- at the end of the day Rob was a trust member working for the club.

In the grand scheme of things. not that much.  He was never there because he had in depth knowledge of the footballing world and you'd think Clem's own people would have their own experience of the Corporate world.  If he has gone, the only real impact is the curtain finally falling on this being a sense of having "our club back".  It becomes completely obvious that is just a PR tag line (some never brought into it anyway).

There would be some that would say his presence may have stopped any shenanigan's, but it's clear that isn't preventing people anyway.  There are always ways - like Zav's side hustle in Pakistan for example, all kept just enough length of an arm away from the STFC limited company, but clearly using it's brand.  Nothing illegal, plenty skirting bad ethics, but nothing Rob or any CEO could do.

Maybe the JV should offer Rob the job of running the Trust side of that, regardless of the outcome here.  He seems a decent enough Corporate bod of high enough standing and has a couple of years of insight into the people on the JV representing the club.  Use this, whatever this may be, as an opportunity.

He could also do a decent job in supporting that Trust bid I suggested now would be a good time test out.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Benzel on Friday, September 8, 2023, 13:56:16
Not ignoring you!

It would not be believed so no point in posting...

It'll all come out very soon...
Coward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, September 8, 2023, 14:07:19
I can positively say that Rob is still CEO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 8, 2023, 14:54:03
If Angus does go it would be rather concerning  - although after putting out the last statement he did and then 24 hours later for it to be proved false you would not have thought he was impressed, and as he strikes me as someone who is always honest....

I think a lot of fan feel with Angus as CEO there is that level of protection and he would not let anything untoward happen on his watch and if it did he would do something about it  - even if it was tipping off the Trust unofficially.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:26:27
Incredibly lots of City fans I know aren't happy with Lansdown. They think he's more interested in the rugby than the footballing side. Imagine being unhappy having a billionaire owner who's pumped 10s of millions in to your club.

Most delusional fan base in world football based in the most underperforming reasonably big city in football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:29:30
Rob will be there tomorrow as CEO. Everyone can ask him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:29:34
He could also do a decent job in supporting that Trust bid I suggested now would be a good time test out.

Was my thought as well that he could get back in to the trust and really fill them in with what is going on barring any NDA.

Or even if he has at least so it off the record so we know what we're dealing with here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:39:41
Should Aberdeen decide his employment future lies elsewhere I hope it doesn’t turn toxic. If he hasn’t got one I’d suggest an enhanced ‘ring doorbell’ might be a good investment, after all you can never be to careful who you open the front door too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:40:10
Rob will be there tomorrow as CEO. Everyone can ask him.

I am loving the fact that one negative rumour has been jumped on, yet someone saying its 100% not true is being ignored


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:43:14
I am loving the fact that one negative rumour has been jumped on, yet someone saying its 100% not true is being ignored

To play devils advocate, if he’s serving his notice then technically he can tell people he still is CEO.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:45:29
If it wasn't true this would be very easy to dismiss by the club or by RA himself.

It feels a little bit like the story has got our sooner than expected and the club aren't ready to announce a successor or spin the story into a positive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:48:47
Need a 5pm signing to take the heat off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:53:41
Questions being asked at the advisory board

https://truststfc.com/2023/09/08/truststfc-press-release-stfc-ownership-update/?fbclid=IwAR1wTrogsEwWMJlrNortfa6538Wiq3y_foEAIsoWuXrYrjy7lE1hcrmxPAQ_aem_AfZ71e22lKvt22W6w2BxbUmVLrSRphtjEJIGxQOXOVlx_-iJ1tWyTQ8SknwTuBlI3B8


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:58:19
Which meets on the 15th.

Firstly, good on the Trust for respecting the Friday statement - shows the Swindon heritage no owner could ever match

Secondly, it feels a little... pointier than the last statement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 8, 2023, 15:59:03
Most delusional fan base in world football based in the most underperforming reasonably big city in football.

Considering the wealth of Lansdown  size of the city and catchment area they really are the under achievers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 16:07:02
Questions being asked at the advisory board

https://truststfc.com/2023/09/08/truststfc-press-release-stfc-ownership-update/?fbclid=IwAR1wTrogsEwWMJlrNortfa6538Wiq3y_foEAIsoWuXrYrjy7lE1hcrmxPAQ_aem_AfZ71e22lKvt22W6w2BxbUmVLrSRphtjEJIGxQOXOVlx_-iJ1tWyTQ8SknwTuBlI3B8
Can any old Trust member attend?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 16:15:24
Can any old Trust member attend?

Isnt it just the advisory board meeting?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 8, 2023, 16:26:24
I am loving the fact that one negative rumour has been jumped on, yet someone saying its 100% not true is being ignored

Who is saying its not true? Just that he is still there as of this moment, which doesn't contradict anything. Its been claimed he is working his notice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, September 8, 2023, 16:35:51
I like the trust's statement, however unless it's pre-agreed that's the forum for the questions, I don't think the club will answer at the AB.
I have nothing to back that up other than I think the club have had the questions already, they could have provided initial answers to be dissected at a separate meeting (TBC). Delaying answering does feel the only ploy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:17:29
So you would rather we dropped out of the league..?

 :doh:

Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:21:38
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…
That would be totally catastrophic.   Football is full of crooks, many of them agents, soa phoenix club would still have them swimming about.

Talk about throwing baby out with the bath water.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:22:42
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…

will that guarantee we get good owners?
what if we just keep on going down.
I remember as a young lad when we got relegated from the championship and i thought at least we can start winning again. never been back since.

a less drastic method would be to just kick on from our current scenario instead of killing the whole club off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:23:54
 Behave,  would you really like to be an Oldham fan ??,  the shit they’ve been through over the last few years,  bet they’d love to be in our position.   Be careful what you wish for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:24:30
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…

I don't agree with you, but it is an interesting idea, sort of.  Nobody coming in has ever just blown th thing up, business wise, and started over.  Everyone just keeps trying to do what the last lot did but better, or with more personal gain extracted etc.

Lets be honest, the reason for that is the fact that they have a pretty sturdy customer base that will just keep sending cash.  Fuck me, imagine what the current lot thought when they realised they could ask all their customers to let business keep their money when the product wasn't even provided (Covid Season Ticket Refunds).  What a bunch of mugs we are.  You can literally Con us, in the open, and then come back for more.    Oh, and while that is going on, another fan (dead) is buying 50% of the ground for us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:25:03
That would be totally catastrophic.   Football is full of crooks, many of them agents, soa phoenix club would still have them swimming about.

Talk about throwing baby out with the bath water.

How is that any difference to now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:27:22
will that guarantee we get good owners?
what if we just keep on going down.
I remember as a young lad when we got relegated from the championship and i thought at least we can start winning again. never been back since.

a less drastic method would be to just kick on from our current scenario instead of killing the whole club off.

I mean burning down and starting again is more likely to then be fan owned.
Not sure that would be better than dodgy business men but might be safer?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:28:45
Behave,  would you really like to be an Oldham fan ??,  the shit they’ve been through over the last few years,  bet they’d love to be in our position.   Be careful what you wish for.

No, I wouldn’t want to be an Oldham fan right now…
…but being a Luton fans seems pretty good right now and they massively dropped like a lead ballon & bottomed out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:30:01
Quote from: bathford
Rob will be there tomorrow as CEO. Everyone can ask him.

So is he serving his notice, as was yesterday's claim?

or are you saying he hasn't resigned?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:31:22
I have to think, not in the DV theme, that now is the time to do something different.  The Trust have done well on the Ground purchase - take that and extend to buying the club.  Spend the next 12 months building a plan for how to get an offer together - individual contributors, subscriptions, potential investors etc.  Publicly challenge Clem against his statements and get him to confirm what he would want to let the fans have the club (not any other outside interested commercial party).  Get him to put up or shut up on this being about the club and it's fans.

Lets be honest, the Trust is being pretty much tickled under the chin right now, may as well accept the only option for meaningful change is to take it head on in the most extreme way possible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:32:11
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…

Fuck that. If I wanted a non league club I'd watch ciren town

Non league is full of clubs that were once league clubs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:34:10
The league has clubs in it that were once non league clubs.
A lot of them above us in the food chain too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:34:47
Fuck that. If I wanted a non league club I'd watch ciren town

Non league is full of clubs that were once league clubs.
Exactly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:37:27
How is that any difference to now?
Correct which is why it's a fucking stupid idea


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:38:29
The league has clubs in it that were once non league clubs.
A lot of them above us in the food chain too

Through good governance and sensible investment. We could have that without going non league or starting again.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:41:27
Through good governance and sensible investment. We could have that without going non league or starting again.



We could.
But I also think starting again might be able to give us more a clean slate to start over with.

Even if we got good investment right now & they fully took over the club there would still be Power/Standing crap to sort. Clem would probably want some money back as part of the sale. Then things like Kiely and the other blokes wife.

Die & all that goes away (I think, not a business expert)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:41:51
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…

Or drop to the bottom and keep dropping

What a stupid comment !!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:42:07
Plus, same as any time the club changes hand some sort of historical debt no one was aware of


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:44:03
Or drop to the bottom and keep dropping

What a stupid comment !!



Which isn’t far removed from what we are doing now anyway…
Don’t give me all that about it being stupid.

You’re basically on here saying we’re as good as fucked anyway.

 Isn’t it better to pull the plug than limp to a slow painful death.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:46:49
Last time I looked we were unbeaten and would go second if the game in hand is won.

Shit behind the scenes is just that. At the moment it isn’t affecting the team on the pitch.

Why would you give up on that? Stupid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, September 8, 2023, 17:52:21
I am loving the fact that one negative rumour has been jumped on, yet someone saying its 100% not true is being ignored

If you’re wondering if my statement is fact. I asked him directly this afternoon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:03:53
Quote from: bathford
If you’re wondering if my statement is fact. I asked him directly this afternoon.

what was your question?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:10:53
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…

So that would actually make you go and watch that shite week in and week out?
it’s hard enough doing this in this shite league now, Wouldn’t want us to drop down anymore.
That is both a sobering and depressing thought.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:12:37
AFC Swimbledon.

The first year would be great, but after that the reality would set in you fear.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:14:46
So that would actually make you go and watch that shite week in and week out?
it’s hard enough doing this in this shite league now, Wouldn’t want us to drop down anymore.
That is both a sobering and depressing thought.

Spot on mate. (This will sound snobbish) It’s shite having to go away to the Harrogate and Sutton’s (they’ll beat us tomorrow now) regularly and have to accept that this is our level when a even a small amount of smart investment in comparison to our stature in this league would have us out of it.

No team has a divine right to promotion based on size but we’re big enough in this division to generate enough funds to not have to be rolling out the “we’re struggling to compete line” (with the Wrexham size financial rivals aside)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:16:09
We're nearly there already according to our rivals. FC Swindleton🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:17:36
So that would actually make you go and watch that shite week in and week out?
it’s hard enough doing this in this shite league now, Wouldn’t want us to drop down anymore.
That is both a sobering and depressing thought.

I’d absolutely fucking love to start from the bottom and run through the divisions - being the big boys, the team everyone hates who wins every week*


*I appreciate starting at the bottom doesn’t guarantee that but as an example. I bet Rangers fans probably enjoyed spending a few years doing something other than having a two horse race with Celtic every year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:18:40
Yea, that's a no from me DV!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:19:23
Spot on mate. (This will sound snobbish) It’s shite having to go away to the Harrogate and Sutton’s (they’ll beat us tomorrow now) regularly and have to accept that this is our level when a even a small amount of smart investment in comparison to our stature in this league would have us out of it.

No team has a divine right to promotion based on size but we’re big enough in this division to generate enough funds to not have to be rolling out the “we’re struggling to compete line” (with the Wrexham size financial rivals aside)

Depressing enough a team that pulls this amount of fans getting shafted by the lot running it.
Becoming seasoned under achievers and sick to death supporting this shite home and away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:22:17
I’d absolutely fucking love to start from the bottom and run through the divisions - being the big boys, the team everyone hates who wins every week*


*I appreciate starting at the bottom doesn’t guarantee that but as an example. I bet Rangers fans probably enjoyed spending a few years doing something other than having a two horse race with Celtic every year.

This would actually make you go and support it?
Trust me a vast difference travelling week in and week out. Easy posting on a forum, rocking up the miles and cost is a different game.

I would hate every minute.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:24:21
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…


Tell me you haven't been to Barrow, Harrogate and Sutton without telling me you haven't


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:27:21
I went to Hendon, Tooting and Dagenham which were depressing🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:32:36
Yes,
I’ve said this plenty of times post Andrew Black.
The best thing this club could do is die a death and rise again as a phoenix club.
Start at the bottom and go again. Clear all the deadwood.
Play some new teams, visit some new stadiums. Hopefully have a bit of fun running through divisions.

Beats going to Colchester & Walsall every fucking year…

If you would like to go and support Supermarine home and away be my guest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:38:40
This would actually make you go and support it?
Trust me a vast difference travelling week in and week out. Easy posting on a forum, rocking up the miles and cost is a different game.

I would hate every minute.

I’ve done plenty of miles in my time thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:39:49
Actually its great fun and can thoroughly recommend it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:41:10
Actually its great fun and can thoroughly recommend it.

This is why i go to Banbury more than STFC nowadays


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:47:21
This is why i go to Banbury more than STFC nowadays
National League North so some long journeys for the faithful.
I'm loving my football again after really falling out of love, not just STFC but the direction, shitloads of loans, rebuilding your team twice a season, wankfest over Premier, cheating cunts, and fuck this League Two shit - its division 4.
Also seeing Supermarine you realise you are getting absolutely rinsed at every touch point.
Hope you're ok tans. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:50:16
Three cracking away games that aren't anymore were Aldershot, Hereford and Torquay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:52:25
Being a football fan and how you do it is subjective surely? Theres no right way or wrong way.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 8, 2023, 18:55:34
National League North so some long journeys for the faithful.
I'm loving my football again after really falling out of love, not just STFC but the direction, shitloads of loans, rebuilding your team twice a season, wankfest over Premier, cheating cunts, and fuck this League Two shit - its division 4.
Also seeing Supermarine you realise you are getting absolutely rinsed at every touch point.
Hope you're ok tans.  

Blyth Spartans away on a tuesday night :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I love it; ive even started volunteering there behind the scenes doing stuff with the website and other admin jobs. Hope you are well, i see Pete the other day, he’s loving life


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, September 8, 2023, 19:00:19
Last time I saw Pete he told me his mrs was a carer, I said that figures. If you see him again pass on my regards, he's an absolute top bloke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 19:17:45
Wrexham away this season was a reminder what it could be like. (Met Batch for the first time 👍).
Two sets of fans going for it.
Not felt anything like that since Vale away, the adrenaline, the noise, the celebrations, the emotions.

….and some want to go to Leamington Spa.
Ffs how far this club has fallen with expectation.

No more from me on this subject completely done.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 19:45:18
Not about expectations is it. Going to Leamington Spa. That isn’t what I expect. I’d love to drop out and run through the divisions based on a solid foundation to launch the club into the future. Something similar to what Luton have done. What Wrexham are doing.

I mean it’s you - who has lowered his expectation so much a draw against Wrexham is seen as the pinnacle of supporting Swindon on par with losing to Port Vale


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 19:52:54
Not about expectations is it. Going to Leamington Spa. That isn’t what I expect. I’d love to drop out and run through the divisions based on a solid foundation to launch the club into the future. Something similar to what Luton have done. What Wrexham are doing.

I mean it’s you - who has lowered his expectation so much a draw against Wrexham is seen as the pinnacle of supporting Swindon on par with losing to Port Vale

I want out of the god forsaken shite league, you want a dream like Hereford or Aldershot, maybe strike it lucky with Luton or Hollywood.
Not for me, no guarantee of coming back and Ffs “running through the divisions.”
Just not for me, would that be the final nail,  probably not but would not want to even be faced with that choice.
120 mile round trips for home games to watch Dartford, no thanks.

Maybe that would get you to attend? We all have that choice mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Friday, September 8, 2023, 19:59:27
I like football


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, September 8, 2023, 20:14:48
Three cracking away games that aren't anymore were Aldershot, Hereford and Torquay.

Done all those.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, September 8, 2023, 20:15:15
I went to Hendon, Tooting and Dagenham which were depressing🤣

Hendon. Scary, very scary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, September 8, 2023, 20:17:47
What am I missing here....?

In my opinion the current situation at STFC is in a better position today that a couple of years ago.

OK the Trust has had it's nose bloodied and ego hurt. But that will recover.

Fact is they believed Clem Morfuni was the "special one". Well, it seems he is just a opportunist who talks a good story.

Suggest there will be potential purchasers swimming around waiting for a sniff of blood.

Just enjoy the football on the field..

Watch these plonkers spin their stories. Remember they have invested thousands or perhaps millions of pounds allowing you to do this.  

Will be interesting to see when Morfuni next visits North Wiltshire !!!  

COYRs




  

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 20:22:34
I want out of the god forsaken shite league, you want a dream like Hereford or Aldershot, maybe strike it lucky with Luton or Hollywood.
Not for me, no guarantee of coming back and Ffs “running through the divisions.”
Just not for me, would that be the final nail,  probably not but would not want to even be faced with that choice.
120 mile round trips for home games to watch Dartford, no thanks.

Maybe that would get you to attend? We all have that choice mind.

Obviously there are no guarantees we’d run through the division. I’ve said as much, I’m not stupid.
I’d still prefer that to treading water forever.

If feels like this club is trying to build something on a beach and every time we get somewhere the tide comes in a takes it away. Rather than trying that again - maybe it’s time to forget the beach and go build on the concrete down the road.

I attend when I can thanks.

Of course you’d still go - what else would you do?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, September 8, 2023, 20:26:06
Opinions and Arseholes

But fuck me. Why the fuck would I want to go to Sunday league pub league grounds and be in the part time tiers of football? 😭
Some big old sides that have dropped out the league. Couldn’t think of anything worse.

League 2 is fucking shite. But I’d rather carry on rotting in L2 than join the part time leagues way down the tiers, and hope one season we get it right and get into league 1- just look at some of the away games in that league this season/last season. Much more appealing than going to shitholes like Barrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, September 8, 2023, 21:10:08
Obviously there are no guarantees we’d run through the division. I’ve said as much, I’m not stupid.
I’d still prefer that to treading water forever.

If feels like this club is trying to build something on a beach and every time we get somewhere the tide comes in a takes it away. Rather than trying that again - maybe it’s time to forget the beach and go build on the concrete down the road.

I attend when I can thanks.

Of course you’d still go - what else would you do?

I preferred the unedited version.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 21:26:27
Hendon. Scary, very scary.

Boreham Wood for me - worse than Dagenham.
They turned up from everywhere to have a go. Bricks thrown the lot.

Mind you in the replay it wasn’t safe for any B Wood fan as a fair few out for revenge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 21:31:38
Opinions and Arseholes

But fuck me. Why the fuck would I want to go to Sunday league pub league grounds and be in the part time tiers of football? 😭
Some big old sides that have dropped out the league. Couldn’t think of anything worse.

League 2 is fucking shite. But I’d rather carry on rotting in L2 than join the part time leagues way down the tiers, and hope one season we get it right and get into league 1- just look at some of the away games in that league this season/last season. Much more appealing than going to shitholes like Barrow.

Speaks someone that attends the shitholes like Barrow in League Two.
League One would feel like heaven right now with this shit show of League Two.
Some want to start even lower Ffs I just can’t even think of one benefit.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 8, 2023, 21:31:43
Not about expectations is it. Going to Leamington Spa. That isn’t what I expect. I’d love to drop out and run through the divisions based on a solid foundation to launch the club into the future. Something similar to what Luton have done. What Wrexham are doing.

I mean it’s you - who has lowered his expectation so much a draw against Wrexham is seen as the pinnacle of supporting Swindon on par with losing to Port Vale
Wrexham have only gone up the divisions due to the Hollywood factor and 2 very rich men it's not a fairytale or a solid foundation.......

When they don't go up and stay in L2 for a few seasons the Hollywood actors will lose interest , stop putting the money in and they will be just another run of the mill L2 side, much like Salford are....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, September 8, 2023, 21:41:13
I went to Hendon, Tooting and Dagenham which were depressing🤣

Did you go to the 0-0 at Boreham Wood Jimmy?
That era although you would have been around 11 or 12 😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 8, 2023, 22:00:10
Wrexham have only gone up the divisions due to the Hollywood factor and 2 very rich men it's not a fairytale or a solid foundation.......

When they don't go up and stay in L2 for a few seasons the Hollywood actors will lose interest , stop putting the money in and they will be just another run of the mill L2 side, much like Salford are....

The Hollywood actors have already made way more than they have put in because they're good business men, they will continue to make money because their model is totally different to anything outside of the traditional bigger clubs.  

They have cornered the market for those in the States outside of those wanting to follow the very big clubs.  They have such commercial value in terms of merch sales, docuseries and iFollow subs, I don't care what anybody thinks, they are here to stay, Ryan Reynolds is basically THE biggest actor on the planet, he is no mug, his net worth is absolutely staggering and he can use that to generate huge sponsership deals because the Wrexham brand will continue to be seen world wide.  

It's not a case of throwing money at it with them, like it or not they are now a global brand, Leicester, as a recent PL winner, are probably less well known in the US than Wrexham are now.

They will be in the PL before we are, maybe even before teams like Birmingham and Middlesbrough make it back there. They will spend less money than they bring in if they continue to progress and the rest of the world follows with interest, which they will because sport is very different beyond our shores.

EDIT - Also they were in the same division for about 16 years, they have not risen through any leagues, they have had one promotion, this year, to get where they are now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 8, 2023, 22:21:15
…and it’ll still trump anything we will do in the next 50 years…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 8, 2023, 22:33:37
That's kind of my point, they, as a club have hit the jackpot. 

They are now a bigger club in many regards than maybe West Ham are, I guarentee Paul Mullin is much more marketable over seas than Pablo Fornals is and he is a European Club Champion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 05:59:34
The Hollywood actors have already made way more than they have put in because they're good business men, they will continue to make money because their model is totally different to anything outside of the traditional bigger clubs.  

They have cornered the market for those in the States outside of those wanting to follow the very big clubs.  They have such commercial value in terms of merch sales, docuseries and iFollow subs, I don't care what anybody thinks, they are here to stay, Ryan Reynolds is basically THE biggest actor on the planet, he is no mug, his net worth is absolutely staggering and he can use that to generate huge sponsership deals because the Wrexham brand will continue to be seen world wide.  

It's not a case of throwing money at it with them, like it or not they are now a global brand, Leicester, as a recent PL winner, are probably less well known in the US than Wrexham are now.

They will be in the PL before we are, maybe even before teams like Birmingham and Middlesbrough make it back there. They will spend less money than they bring in if they continue to progress and the rest of the world follows with interest, which they will because sport is very different beyond our shores.

EDIT - Also they were in the same division for about 16 years, they have not risen through any leagues, they have had one promotion, this year, to get where they are now.

Let's not forget they played in the European Cup winners cup 14 times after winning the Welsh cup the last in 95 and even reached the quarter finals in 75/76 so not the fairytale story it's made out to be!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 06:08:59
That's kind of my point, they, as a club have hit the jackpot.  

They are now a bigger club in many regards than maybe West Ham are, I guarentee Paul Mullin is much more marketable over seas than Pablo Fornals is and he is a European Club Champion.

Funnily enough West Ham have a huge global fanbase due to their Iron Maiden connection, particularly in South America.

https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2019/nov/29/run-for-the-balls-west-ham-team-up-with-iron-maiden-for-new-kit

But your overall point is definitely correct. Wrexham have a much bigger US profile now than Wolves, Brighton, Everton even etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 06:45:51
Let's see how much bigger they are than us etc in 3 years time if they don't get promoted the fans turn and they think they are doing the decent thing by handing the club back to the trust. It's easy to sit back and say it looks great for now 

Their owner is charging 8% on his investment though

This is where i hate the arguement to be honest. They are paying players 6-8k a week in league 2 and don't look like they are in a much better position than us 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 07:29:30
This is where they will get unstuck. It’s all good and well paying those wages and handing out 2/3 year contracts. But they then move up a level, those players are stuck on their books and don’t want off the gravy train.

They have to move up the levels quickly as just like all reality TV, it only has a small amount of shelf life before the viewers get bored.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:20:20
Bit of good news.

Saidou Khan and the rest of The Gambia squad are unharmed although they were in a Marrakesh hotel when the earthquake struck earlier today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 09:08:45
That's kind of my point, they, as a club have hit the jackpot. 

They are now a bigger club in many regards than maybe West Ham are, I guarentee Paul Mullin is much more marketable over seas than Pablo Fornals is and he is a European Club Champion.

Guaranteed if Wrexham are not promoted from L2 in the next 2 seasons the actors will be looking fir a way out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 10:39:35
 

It's not a case of throwing money at it with them, like it or not they are now a global brand, Leicester, as a recent PL winner, are probably less well known in the US than Wrexham are now.



Also isn't helped by the fact most Americans can't say Leicester properly so they wouldn't have a clue if someone said it to them  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 11:35:24
Bit of good news.

Saidou Khan and the rest of The Gambia squad are unharmed although they were in a Marrakesh hotel when the earthquake struck earlier today.


I felt it last night, quite a few in this part of the world but never normally that big


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: London Pride on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 08:09:20
Rob Angus has I have been told resigned and leaves on Friday.
Fridays meeting with the trust will be very interesting.
Apparently someone from Axis has been proposed to take over the CEO roll within the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 13:13:22
oh well, he'll find another job easy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 13:21:37
Rob Angus has I have been told resigned and leaves on Friday.
Fridays meeting with the trust will be very interesting.
Apparently someone from Axis has been proposed to take over the CEO roll within the club.

Only a matter of time in all fairness. Nothing lasts forever and the honeymoon feel good factor has long since gone. Your last sentence is doing the rounds as I’ve heard that also.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 13:35:27
Funny thing is someone posted on here on Friday (Bathred I think) saying that they had spoken to Angus and he said he was staying. Unless it's changed since then😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:13:52
Funny thing is someone posted on here on Friday (Bathred I think) saying that they had spoken to Angus and he said he was staying. Unless it's changed since then😀
This is where things get taken out of context, he was asked if he is still at the club which he is


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:18:41
Only a matter of time in all fairness. Nothing lasts forever and the honeymoon feel good factor has long since gone. Your last sentence is doing the rounds as I’ve heard that also.

Yep - done a good job for a couple of years now sometimes be else is going to take it on. Why does everything need to be a drama.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:21:28
Agreed Bob

Pretty certain this was the plan all along with Anthony Hall ready to step up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:38:27
This is where things get taken out of context, he was asked if he is still at the club which he is

Then the obvious question would be is there any truth in the rumours that you are leaving the club and if so when!
That's not knocking Bathred but now we have two conflicting answers😄


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:43:47
Agreed Bob

Pretty certain this was the plan all along with Anthony Hall ready to step up

Hang on. So are we saying we are forgetting the few events of the last month including Rob’s awkward fans forum?
Not fishing, just genuinely questioning that people don’t think Rob is leaving because of recent events.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:47:46


Then the obvious question would be is there any truth in the rumours that you are leaving the club and if so when!
That's not knocking Bathred but now we have two conflicting answers😄

I did ask him what  exactly he asked Angus, I didn't get a reply


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:49:11
Hang on. So are we saying we are forgetting the few events of the last month including Rob’s awkward fans forum?
Not fishing, just genuinely questioning that people don’t think Rob is leaving because of recent events.

surely being a lame duck CEO and suffering reputational damage (or risk of) was the reason to go


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:49:25
I did ask him what  exactly he asked Angus, I didn't get a reply

Fair enough Batch so maybe he knew Angus was leaving but didn't want to say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 14:50:55
surely being a lame duck CEO and suffering reputational damage (or risk of) was the reason to go

Well quite, yes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 15:13:25
I did ask him what  exactly he asked Angus, I didn't get a reply

Just to clarify, when I put this up, it was based on information at that time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 15:17:21
I imagine RA and the club are working out the best exit for both himself, career wise, and the (PR) club going forward. There are already loads of questions about the behind the scenes matters so it's crucial the comms for this are spot on. I'm guessing things will be much clearer this time next week (hopefully)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 15:21:22
Hang on. So are we saying we are forgetting the few events of the last month including Rob’s awkward fans forum?
Not fishing, just genuinely questioning that people don’t think Rob is leaving because of recent events.


100 percent. People will not believe it of course but there will be people who have known about it for ages, long before the whole share episode


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 16:12:54
I think I've lost the point!

are you basically saying the shares thing was done after the resignation?

I guess Angus isn't going to give his reasons for leaving anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 16:15:24
No i am just saying RA would have been due to leave long before the share issue. Many will think it is a huge meltdown and due to it though i would imagine


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 16:21:40
oh yeah. I'd imagine he was on 3 or 6 months notice.

just to be a shitstirring cunt, there was an accusation by somebody on FB that said he knew about the share quite some time ago. And that Norman also knew, hence his resignation.

fwiw it looked to me like he found out at essentially the same time we did. but we'll never know.

in any case I'm going to feel more uneasy about things without him at the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, September 10, 2023, 20:55:19
Simple fact is... the Trust got to close to the owner /owners.
There were always many hard questions never asked
These questions will need answers. But not now.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 11, 2023, 06:47:46
Things could be worse. Much worse. Just look at what’s happened/happening to Scunny

https://theathletic.com/4844776/2023/09/11/investigation-football-club-owner-convicted-fraud/?source=user_shared_article


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, September 11, 2023, 06:52:00
Things could be worse. Much worse. Just look at what’s happened/happening to Scunny

https://theathletic.com/4844776/2023/09/11/investigation-football-club-owner-convicted-fraud/?source=user_shared_article

Absolutely no way we’d let a convicted fraudster anywhere near our club.
Oh wait…..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 11, 2023, 07:03:28
Pays to be vigilant. Makes you wonder that just by choosing another name the FA were fooled into him passing ‘the test’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 11, 2023, 08:06:56
I asked someone ITK about Rob Angus at the weekend, they basically said “I cannot confirm or deny” which (reading between the lines) I think means he’s almost certainly leaving


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, September 11, 2023, 08:28:11
Absolutely no way we’d let a convicted fraudster anywhere near our club.
Oh wait…..

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 11, 2023, 09:49:05
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

Not sure if this was noted in this thread already, I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but it was mentioned on the LSPod today.

Boardroom / Ownership
Chairman/Majority Shareholder: Clem Morfuni

Other Significant interests (as defined in the EFL regulations): Christopher Kiely & Hollie Kiely


That's er... a change from what was previous suggested, isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, September 11, 2023, 09:56:06
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

Not sure if this was noted in this thread already, I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but it was mentioned on the LSPod today.

Boardroom / Ownership
Chairman/Majority Shareholder: Clem Morfuni

Other Significant interests (as defined in the EFL regulations): Christopher Kiely & Hollie Kiely


That's er... a change from what was previous suggested, isn't it?


I think it has been mentioned before, Kiely has his way in now. No idea what happened to the other lady who was originally named.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 11, 2023, 10:21:18
No i am just saying RA would have been due to leave long before the share issue. Many will think it is a huge meltdown and due to it though i would imagine

oh yeah. I'd imagine he was on 3 or 6 months notice.

just to be a shitstirring cunt, there was an accusation by somebody on FB that said he knew about the share quite some time ago. And that Norman also knew, hence his resignation.

fwiw it looked to me like he found out at essentially the same time we did. but we'll never know.

in any case I'm going to feel more uneasy about things without him at the club

It RA is working his notice period its either a long standing agreement that he would go at a certain date or an incredibly amicable separation.

Really don't understand why Clem flogging some shares to the Keily family would be the trigger for people high up in the executive team to be leaving?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, September 11, 2023, 10:22:58
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/

Not sure if this was noted in this thread already, I don't remember seeing it mentioned, but it was mentioned on the LSPod today.

Boardroom / Ownership
Chairman/Majority Shareholder: Clem Morfuni

Other Significant interests (as defined in the EFL regulations): Christopher Kiely & Hollie Kiely


That's er... a change from what was previous suggested, isn't it?
Originally it was only Chris listed and not the both of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, September 11, 2023, 10:23:33

I think it has been mentioned before, Kiely has his way in now. No idea what happened to the other lady who was originally named.
I believe the amount of shares in the Parladorio name was always below the significant person threshold.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 11, 2023, 11:58:11
which iirc is 10%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Monday, September 11, 2023, 12:20:56
Why is Chris listed if the shares are not in his name ? is this normal to put shares in his wife's name but he is the interested party ?





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 11, 2023, 12:26:32
I presume Chris Kiely's business is purely about using data to scout players and not involved in the Agent side?  Given such individuals cannot be involved in running football clubs - I am 90% sure that is how I understand his involvement, but you never know, we did try and put a convicted Money Launderer and Drug Trafficker on the Board.

Maybe a gradual move to just declaring what many suspect to be the case - that Clem has and needs help, or that others sit behind him.  Still, another example of not being fully open and transparent because the PR suggested it was a short term loan that was all but repaid.

I don't imagine this is anything more than crossing the t's and dotting the i's related to the share issue.  Would have been nice if they'd just included the fact we'd see it coming when discussing it recently, and gives the Trust another thing to discuss.  But, presume it's no impact to BAU.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 11, 2023, 12:35:15
Not one but two Kiely's eh. We should be so lucky.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:04:06
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/the-county-ground-to-host-concert-in-2024/

Ooh, a concert, we've not had that one for a while. I wonder what Callum Rice does these days?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:11:21
That has to be one of the most poorly designed surveys I’ve ever seen

Speak to a promoter, get an act that will sell out a 15k venue, and people will go to it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:14:07
The club should be nowhere near this other than touting themselves as a venue to promoters.

Taking risk in this area is actual madness.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:18:45
Didn't the last concerts utterly ruin the pitch for a while?

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:21:32
The club should be nowhere near this other than touting themselves as a venue to promoters.

Taking risk in this area is actual madness.

Why? Seems like a good idea to me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:23:19
Why? Seems like a good idea to me

Concerts at the CG? Maybe.

Concerts at the CG run by Swindon Town FC? Hell no.

"What music does everyone like?!" This is not how a credible organisation acts.

As I say, speak to Live Nation, AEG etc and offer the stadium as a venue. DO NOT own the risk.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:25:53
I doubt you’d have got many people responding Elton John to that survey 20 years ago, but he sold it out.

If they want to put on a sell-out concert of 10-15k, nothing usable will come from that survey. Well intended, but amateurish


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:39:51
Someone else has to do it.  They take the ticket money you sort out the bars and concessions.  You probably at this stage don't charge the promoters anything more than costs.  Thats the way it would have to work.

Its a massively expanding business.  Whilst I was event managing the Kings of Leon at Wrexham, the same company were starting the Arctic monkeys tour, had Muse in Plymouth, Coldplay on their stadium tour.  Live Nation who I also work for had Burna Boy, Wizkid, RHCP out.  Elton John was doing every stadium going.  Springsteen was out doing stadiums. 

Frankly they are late to be trying to plan for '24 and if they are  intending to do it themselves they are idiots.  You can lose a fuck load as a promoter.  Even good promoters.  Orchard, a company who were doing all the Cardiff Castle shows have just gone down.  And they were people who worked within the business.

Frankly the way STFC business is run I fully expect to see them bring in a complete chancer who claims to know what they're doing and watch him fail and disappear loading debt onto the club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:42:10
Didn't we have a faintly shit series of concerts with a bunch of 90s pop acts on the same day at some point 8 or so years ago, more recently than Bryan Adams/Elton John?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:42:16
Hosting a concert wouldn't be too onerous as long as it didn't interfere with getting the pitch ready for the following season.
Timing would be key, other than that not a problem.

Probably in a niche minority when it came to naming the 4 live acts.

Vote Saxondale.  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:43:27
Someone else has to do it.  They take the ticket money you sort out the bars and concessions.  You probably at this stage don't charge the promoters anything more than costs.  Thats the way it would have to work.

Its a massively expanding business.  Whilst I was event managing the Kings of Leon at Wrexham, the same company were starting the Arctic monkeys tour, had Muse in Plymouth, Coldplay on their stadium tour.  Live Nation who I also work for had Burna Boy, Wizkid, RHCP out.  Elton John was doing every stadium going.  Springsteen was out doing stadiums. 

Frankly they are late to be trying to plan for '24 and if they are  intending to do it themselves they are idiots.  You can lose a fuck load as a promoter.  Even good promoters.  Orchard, a company who were doing all the Cardiff Castle shows have just gone down.  And they were people who worked within the business.

Frankly the way STFC business is run I fully expect to see them bring in a complete chancer who claims to know what they're doing and watch him fail and disappear loading debt onto the club.



Bingo.

The idea that this is a slam dunk is for the birds.

KISS recently cancelled their Home Park concert because it wasn't selling.

And as Saxondale points out, 'stadium acts' will have their 2024 shows locked in already.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:45:19
Didn't we have a faintly shit series of concerts with a bunch of 90s pop acts on the same day at some point 8 or so years ago, more recently than Bryan Adams/Elton John?

Wasn't that the Callum Rice driven effort?
Bit more than 8 years ago if it was.
Chucked it down and an all round shambles by all accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:46:10
Bingo.

The idea that this is a slam dunk is for the birds.

KISS recently cancelled their Home Park concert because it wasn't selling.

And as Saxondale points out, 'stadium acts' will have their 2024 shows locked in already.

Arguable because they put on a concert in an area where the local people weren't asked who they'd want  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:47:22
I eagerly await Peter Andre, S Club 4, B*witched and 911 as our headline acts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:48:36
Arguable because they put on a concert in an area where the local people weren't asked who they'd want  ;)

I know this is a joke, but our survey isn’t asking the local population either. It’s asking a tiny subsection of what should be target audience (arguably anyone within a couple hour drive)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:50:08
Wasn't that the Callum Rice driven effort?
Bit more than 8 years ago if it was.
Chucked it down and an all round shambles by all accounts.

Probably. Then PDC and the Lightning Seeds. I bet that lost a lot of money, was very last minute I think?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 14:54:24
This club just kills me. It is so tinpot.

Why in God's name title the article "The County Ground to host concert in 2024"? Is that actually going to happen? It would, unless we want to destroy the pitch and therefore the team, need to happen pre August.

Why not, if you are going to go down this 'Music Industry for Dummies' route, say "Swindon open County Ground Concert Fan Consultation" saying you are doing it with a view to hosting a concert "in the future"?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:05:07
I have never known so many people people in my life be so fucking miserable in one place. There is so much to get angry over at the club but not sure it's worth it for a potential concert is it?

It's madness


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:07:00
I like the 'how old are you?' question, goes up to 58 then "retired"  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:07:29
I have never known so many people people in my life be so fucking miserable in one place. There is so much to get angry over at the club but not sure it's worth it for a potential concert is it?

It's madness

You beat me to it.

The club are trying to do something different to create more income and have asked for some feedback. Yet all you cunts are knit picking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:08:57
I have never known so many people people in my life be so fucking miserable in one place. There is so much to get angry over at the club but not sure it's worth it for a potential concert is it?

It's madness

Surely you've been to a matchday?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:15:18
I have never known so many people people in my life be so fucking miserable in one place. There is so much to get angry over at the club but not sure it's worth it for a potential concert is it?

It's madness

Is that your suggestion as to who the gigs should be by....  ;) :D

As for everything else its got to the stage that literally anything that comes out of the club will be criticised by some, but hey ho it seems to make them happy and keep them busy so what's it got to do with me, one look at the modern media (including SM) and for a large part of the population living in a perpetual state of  outrage seems to be de rigour now, hence why much of the media promote and thrive on it.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RJack on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:18:25
Surely you've been to a matchday?
Quite we could be winning 6-0 and some miserable cunt near me will be moaning at Brewitt or another player


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:19:26
The club shouldn't be knocked for making an effort.
I didn't exist in the age range options so went younger. Fine.

I suspect that if it does happen, then it'll it be either a family friendly event or something aimed at the yoof.
If it's done right & the club makes a profit then it's all good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:27:30
The club is basically announcing that it is going into a high risk business venture, and on a timescale that is... ambitious.

People should look at that with a critical eye rather than just say well done them for trying.

The cost of putting on concerts has gone through the roof and there is zero guarantee of success, unless we get Taylor Swift or Beyonce, but they are probably forecast out to 2027 and somehow I don't see it..!

Saxondale clearly knows his onions and shares my concerns.

If the club had announced that it was going into partnership with a promoter for a summer concert series I'd be applauding them.

They haven't. If they lose £500k you can kiss your 'competitive budget' goodbye.

And to be clear, this is constructive criticism.

Partner with a promoter and off we go. Own the risk on the other hand...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:31:04
Someone else has to do it.  They take the ticket money you sort out the bars and concessions.  You probably at this stage don't charge the promoters anything more than costs.  Thats the way it would have to work.

Its a massively expanding business.  Whilst I was event managing the Kings of Leon at Wrexham, the same company were starting the Arctic monkeys tour, had Muse in Plymouth, Coldplay on their stadium tour.  Live Nation who I also work for had Burna Boy, Wizkid, RHCP out.  Elton John was doing every stadium going.  Springsteen was out doing stadiums. 

Frankly they are late to be trying to plan for '24 and if they are  intending to do it themselves they are idiots.  You can lose a fuck load as a promoter.  Even good promoters.  Orchard, a company who were doing all the Cardiff Castle shows have just gone down.  And they were people who worked within the business.

Frankly the way STFC business is run I fully expect to see them bring in a complete chancer who claims to know what they're doing and watch him fail and disappear loading debt onto the club.



FWIW I know someone who is in the music business like yourself that offered his help to the club but was thanked but no thanked.

It will be very interesting to see what the club do with this. I think it's a good idea and definitely a thoughtful way of using the CG to make income outside of the football season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:33:57
It’s a good idea in principle, I just think they’re fundamentally going about it the wrong way


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:38:27
I did just look at the survey hoping there might be an 'any other comments' section where I may be able to ask to speak to someone.  But its not really much of a jotform.  Ill try to send an email to the commercial manager.  It will come to nothing Im sure but I may as well try.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:38:54
I'm going to sound like some weirdo Devon fan boy now but Plymouth, who are probably one of the best run clubs in the Championship, utilised Home Park during the summer and had Muse and Rod Stewart in town -

https://homeparkstadium.com/news/rod-stewart-home-park-plymouth-details/
https://homeparkstadium.com/news/muse-to-play-home-park-stadium-concert-in-2023/

Done properly, I don't think there is any reason why the CG shouldn't be used as a venue to host decent acts. As far as I'm aware, there is nowhere in Swindon that hosts decent gigs, I think you have to go to Oxford or Bristol locally to get that music fix?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:43:19
I'm going to sound like some weirdo Devon fan boy now but Plymouth, who are probably one of the best run clubs in the Championship, utilised Home Park during the summer and had Muse and Rod Steward in town -

https://homeparkstadium.com/news/rod-stewart-home-park-plymouth-details/
https://homeparkstadium.com/news/muse-to-play-home-park-stadium-concert-in-2023/

Done properly, I don't think there is any reason why the CG shouldn't be used as a venue to host decent acts. As far as I'm aware, there is nowhere in Swindon that hosts decent gigs, I think you have to go to Oxford or Bristol locally to get that music fix?

Ashton Gate do quite a few: https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/ashton-gate-announces-arctic-monkeys-concert-for-2023/

We tolerate a rickety old shed of a ground because we are blinded by love for the club.

A concert promoter looking to offer a premium fan experience that allows him to push ticket prices to maximise revenue has plenty of other stadium options with larger catchment areas within the broader South West.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:44:03
The Elton John concert in 2005 was a big success so no reason why a big name couldn't perform here again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:46:18
Wasn't that the Callum Rice driven effort?
Bit more than 8 years ago if it was.
Chucked it down and an all round shambles by all accounts.

This one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23487178


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:50:02
This one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23487178

Ha, yes that's the one.
A lot can go sideways with these things not least the weather.

Hopefully the club will take a breath & think it through properly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:52:45
Ha, yes that's the one.
A lot can go sideways with these things not least the weather.

Hopefully the club will take a breath & think it through properly.

I think we took a financial hit on that one as well - we paid someone to run it and took responsibility for tickets ourselves, hence still trying to wade through with only 3k attendees.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 11, 2023, 15:55:59
The idea of hosting concerts is a sound one, the idea of us trying to manage that with the current facility is a bit nuts.

Ideally, this is precisely the sort of thing you put into a Town End development business case when seeking funding.  The money we can make would be off of the Hospitality angle - and we have pretty poor facilities on that front.  That limits the money making opportunity.  Get boxes in the DR and development of the TE, with hosting concerts in mind, then start building a plan to host them in a coupe of years time.  That gives us time to find the right relationships to manage selling the facility to Promoters as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:00:32
I think we took a financial hit on that one as well - we paid someone to run it and took responsibility for tickets ourselves, hence still trying to wade through with only 3k attendees.

Rather my point. I HATE being down on the club, despite what some may think, but I'm absolutely shocked that anyone who has seen their approach to literally every other aspect of the business thinks that they are going to suddenly turn into Irving Azoff for this concert initiative!

However, things like the baffling lack of away shirt stock (again) means that they are simply leaving money on the table.
This, on the other hand, could be a major financial headache if it isn't done right. And they don't do things right!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:03:53
I have never known so many people people in my life be so fucking miserable in one place. There is so much to get angry over at the club but not sure it's worth it for a potential concert is it?

It's madness

I probably would go if it was Madness.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:10:52
Yeah nice idea, probably works better when exec boxes are in the DRS and the town end is rebuilt.

Stratton Bank is neither here nor there as a stage would be that end.

First decent argument for not starting with Stratton Bank maybe?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:11:42
I'm going to sound like some weirdo Devon fan boy now but Plymouth, who are probably one of the best run clubs in the Championship, utilised Home Park during the summer and had Muse and Rod Stewart in town -

https://homeparkstadium.com/news/rod-stewart-home-park-plymouth-details/
https://homeparkstadium.com/news/muse-to-play-home-park-stadium-concert-in-2023/

Done properly, I don't think there is any reason why the CG shouldn't be used as a venue to host decent acts. As far as I'm aware, there is nowhere in Swindon that hosts decent gigs, I think you have to go to Oxford or Bristol locally to get that music fix?

These are a case in point.  Muse was promoted by SJM Concerts.  A company I work for.  Rod Stewart was promoted by Cuffe and Taylor who are a division of Live Nation.  Both other companies I work for.  Problem it is back to front to say - what gigs would you like to see unless you are going to promote them yourselves.  

Now I can bore you all with the cost and the deals in live music.  How much you can earn and how much you lose.  Its heavily weighted in favour of the artist, the promoter takes the risk.  I honestly don't think you should take the risk.  

Get a plan together.  Where are you going to put the stage.  How many seat are available.  How much parking is available for the trucks and buses (ashton gate is shit for this).  Where are you putting the concessions.  What about dressing rooms and offices?  Work this out and have a proposal to go to a promoter with.  You don't go promoters saying - hey we've asked and the small section of answers have said they want Coldplay and Beyonce.  So can we have them please.

Also look at the competition.  Yes there is a growing amount of Stadium gigs.  But Ashton gate gets used.  Cardiff Millenium gets used.  Swansea gets used.  Southampton cricket ground gets used.  London several venues.  Milton Keynes.  Coventry.  There's plenty of places to chose from.

It needs to be thought through.  They need advising and I just hope they are getting some good advice.    


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:16:38
These are a case in point.  Muse was promoted by SJM Concerts.  A company I work for.  Rod Stewart was promoted by Cuffe and Taylor who are a division of Live Nation.  Both other companies I work for.  Problem it is back to front to say - what gigs would you like to see unless you are going to promote them yourselves. 

Now I can bore you all with the cost and the deals in live music.  How much you can earn and how much you lose.  Its heavily weighted in favour of the artist, the promoter takes the risk.  I honestly don't think you should take the risk. 

Get a plan together.  Where are you going to put the stage.  How many seat are available.  How much parking is available for the trucks and buses (ashton gate is shit for this).  Where are you putting the concessions.  What about dressing rooms and offices?  Work this out and have a proposal to go to a promoter with.  You don't go promoters saying - hey we've asked and the small section of answers have said they want Coldplay and Beyonce.  So can we have them please.

Also look at the competition.  Yes there is a growing amount of Stadium gigs.  But Ashton gate gets used.  Cardiff Millenium gets used.  Swansea gets used.  Southampton cricket ground gets used.  London several venues.  Milton Keynes.  Coventry.  There's plenty of places to chose from.

It needs to be thought through.  They need advising and I just hope they are getting some good advice.     


All fantastic points Sax. Hopefully the club reach out and take advice from someone who clearly knows the game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:19:07
These are a case in point.  Muse was promoted by SJM Concerts.  A company I work for.  Rod Stewart was promoted by Cuffe and Taylor who are a division of Live Nation.  Both other companies I work for.  Problem it is back to front to say - what gigs would you like to see unless you are going to promote them yourselves.  

Now I can bore you all with the cost and the deals in live music.  How much you can earn and how much you lose.  Its heavily weighted in favour of the artist, the promoter takes the risk.  I honestly don't think you should take the risk.  

Get a plan together.  Where are you going to put the stage.  How many seat are available.  How much parking is available for the trucks and buses (ashton gate is shit for this).  Where are you putting the concessions.  What about dressing rooms and offices?  Work this out and have a proposal to go to a promoter with.  You don't go promoters saying - hey we've asked and the small section of answers have said they want Coldplay and Beyonce.  So can we have them please.

Also look at the competition.  Yes there is a growing amount of Stadium gigs.  But Ashton gate gets used.  Cardiff Millenium gets used.  Swansea gets used.  Southampton cricket ground gets used.  London several venues.  Milton Keynes.  Coventry.  There's plenty of places to chose from.

It needs to be thought through.  They need advising and I just hope they are getting some good advice.    


Nailed it with this post.

And the part in bold is why alarm bells are ringing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:19:48
One similar sized venue with a recent example would be the Lionel Richie gig at Taunton Cricket Ground this summer, which I don't think sold very well. Think tickets were very expensive mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:20:10
Yeah I genuinely don't think its rocket science, you get the stadium to an acceptable level and then tell the music promotional companies like Live Nation that we're available in between x and y dates (usually June every year I should suspect) and they can use the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:26:59
One similar sized venue with a recent example would be the Lionel Richie gig at Taunton Cricket Ground, which I don't think sold very well. Think tickets were very expensive mind.

Yeah, assuming those seats were on sale, which looks to be the case with folks sat at the very back, that's not great.

(https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355132859_647494840755239_251562090744600211_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=TG5piAJ0nLMAX_Il4Li&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=00_AfAud73WMh0KritDMhSIXm3MrTywUf-WF0VhYJTgRP0-Eg&oe=6503EFED)

And I would say that, looking at the promoters website, that is probably because a gig of that scale was at the upper echelon of their expertise level.

https://www.senbla.com/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 11, 2023, 16:53:28
Yeah, assuming those seats were on sale, which looks to be the case with folks sat at the very back, that's not great.

(https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355132859_647494840755239_251562090744600211_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=TG5piAJ0nLMAX_Il4Li&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=00_AfAud73WMh0KritDMhSIXm3MrTywUf-WF0VhYJTgRP0-Eg&oe=6503EFED)

And I would say that, looking at the promoters website, that is probably because a gig of that scale was at the upper echelon of their expertise level.

https://www.senbla.com/

I saw Oasis at Hampshire cricket ground and they didn't sell seats, it was just general admission, so its possibly just a choice. I don't think that is a terrible attendance at all. Cricket pitches are fucking massive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, September 11, 2023, 18:33:56
I have never known so many people people in my life be so fucking miserable in one place. There is so much to get angry over at the club but not sure it's worth it for a potential concert is it?

It's madness
You took the words right out my mouth


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 11, 2023, 18:34:57
You took the words right out my mouth

It must have been while you were k... ah, no, he definitely wouldn't be doing a gig at the CG now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, September 11, 2023, 18:36:33
It must have been while you were k... ah, no, he definitely wouldn't be doing a gig at the CG now.

Very good, I realised as I was typing it but didn’t expect a response quite that quickly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, September 11, 2023, 19:13:09
Rather my point. I HATE being down on the club, despite what some may think, but I'm absolutely shocked that anyone who has seen their approach to literally every other aspect of the business thinks that they are going to suddenly turn into Irving Azoff for this concert initiative!

However, things like the baffling lack of away shirt stock (again) means that they are simply leaving money on the table.
This, on the other hand, could be a major financial headache if it isn't done right. And they don't do things right!

Harsh - things aren’t too bad on the pitch? Secured loads of sponsorship deals? Bought the ground with the trust? Integrated the women’s team? Improving the youth set up? So What aren’t they doing right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 11, 2023, 19:48:31
Harsh - things aren’t too bad on the pitch? Secured loads of sponsorship deals? Bought the ground with the trust? Integrated the women’s team? Improving the youth set up? So What aren’t they doing right?

Yes, sorry that was a tad unclear and unfair. I meant the extracurricular stuff. Broadly "football" is going great at the moment and long may that continue. I'm loving Flynn as a manager..

I meant more that when they step out of their comfort zone it tends to be a bit 'village fete'. The Lotto being an example. That pic of Aberdeen makes for a sad epitaph.

And to be clear, concerts at the CG could work, as discussed, if set up right. But I don't see the start of a successful process as being a form asking people what music they like.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 11, 2023, 20:09:43
I’ve never been to any of the CG concerts, which i’m led to believe lost money? That said the crowd capacity is circa 15k give or take. So allowing for a stage set up and using a segment of the pitch for that and some for a mosh pit/standing area the attendance isn’t going to be much different. So who are the club looking to attract with 10-15k paying customers?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 11, 2023, 20:17:53
Sounds really good in principle, but as LL says I'm sure the last 'can't lose money' concerts lost money.

But if it's done right then no problem. Hopefully the club ask saxondale, he's bound to know someone.

If we are making profit off the beer sales for gawds sake don't let the drs kiosk team do it!

Isn't the lead singer from The Killers holed up locally having a confidence crisis over his music. Get him signed up before he recovers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 11, 2023, 20:22:55
Sounds really good in principle, but as LL says I'm sure the last 'can't lose money' concerts lost money.

But if it's done right then no problem. Hopefully the club ask saxondale, he's bound to know someone.

If we are making profit off the beer sales for gawds sake don't let the drs kiosk team do it!

Isn't the lead singer from The Killers holed up locally having a confidence crisis over his music. Get him signed up before he recovers

What position is he going to play? 😁

And how shyte are the acoustics likely to be?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 11, 2023, 20:32:19
Harsh - things aren’t too bad on the pitch? Secured loads of sponsorship deals? Bought the ground with the trust? Integrated the women’s team? Improving the youth set up? So What aren’t they doing right?

I mean, yeah, being in the bottom Division for three straight seasons is just peachy.  

What specific long term improvements have been made to the Youth set-up - this is a genuine question because the AB minutes keep hinting at it, but thus far the only actual infrastructure item seems to have been some scaffolding loaned to us to make videos of training.  I am actually intrigued, because it's an area that does not come cheap, but could be something quite strategic if they did it right.  Hiring a couple of staff is merely a basic starting point, they could all be poached, leave or become beyond our budget.  They do not set up the Academy in a way, say, Crewe invest in.

Womens - seems good thus far.

Ground - they did the square root of fuck all to invest in that, Eady takes all the plaudits and the Trust for pushing the concept.  Clem was a very lucky boy.

Sponsorship - big tick, agreed.

There is a long list of things they've made a mess of (including on the pitch as it happens) - I am sure last seasons decision to throw the bath water out alongside an entire maternity ward when it came to player recruitment wasn't a cheap fuck up.  The long list of own goals when it comes to trying to look Open and Transparent, the shambles of due dillegence (missing the fact they would need to fork out nearly 3m to clear a debenture that was on record for the public to see), the fact they shut the shop every time Aud is within 200 yards and so on.

You missed a couple of good ones though - Corporate Hospitality (previous chap did a great job turning that around, shame the facilities are so limited) and Season Ticket sales - some of the PR may now look a little dodgy in terms of truth, but they shifted an exceptional volume given our past history.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 01:40:19
I’m not sure it’s specifically for our youth team but obviously Foundation Park is there and they’ve just built a new indoor venue next to it - The Nigel Eady training facility I believe


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 01:42:41
https://www.stfcfoundation.com/news/nigel-eady-training-centre

 https://www.stfcfoundation.com/news/the-nigel-eady-training-centre-is-officially-open



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 01:45:13
Obviously like the ground purchase; that’s a huge assist for Nigel Eady & a tap in to an open goal for the club…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 03:21:30
I thought our Academy also use Calne though, and not Foundation Park - as per previous, too distant to know and haven't seen much by way of printed evidence to suggest investment by the football club, but I could just be missing the details?


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 06:01:46
Quote
I’m not sure it’s specifically for our youth team but obviously Foundation Park is there and they’ve just built a new indoor venue next to it - The Nigel Eady training facility I believe
but that's the stfc foundations resources, mostly used for community work.

Of course it's used by the club when they need it and if there's space - you can't kick off existing bookings at the drop off a hat.

the women use it mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 09:27:51
Everyone likes to get excited over 'moaners' but here you have Saxondale talking about actual industry experience and people just don't wanna hear it - would rather our resident Happy Hardcore MC 'has a go' just like he's done with the B&M Bargains Lotto machine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 09:33:19
It needs to be thought through.  They need advising and I just hope they are getting some good advice.    
You, more than anyone is aware of the issues the pitfalls and plus points. Maybe if the club was in contact with you then possibly you could guide them in the right direction mate?

I can get your name/contact passed on to those who arrange if you wish, obviously if you would rather not assist them then I fully understand this too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 09:43:23
Everyone likes to get excited over 'moaners' but here you have Saxondale talking about actual industry experience and people just don't wanna hear it - would rather our resident Happy Hardcore MC 'has a go' just like he's done with the B&M Bargains Lotto machine.

So far they have allocated the sum root of about 20 minutes of some ones time putting a basic survey together to gauge interest in an event, genre and possibly ticket type, as far as I can tell there is literally no evidence that they have got a promoter involved, but equally there is no evidence that they are not already working with someone.

Yet we have page upon page of complaint and criticism in the main based upon literally fuck all detail.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 09:55:07
So far they have allocated the sum root of about 20 minutes of some ones time putting a basic survey together to gauge interest in an event, genre and possibly ticket type, as far as I can tell there is literally no evidence that they have got a promoter involved, but equally there is no evidence that they are not already working with someone.

Yet we have page upon page of complaint and criticism in the main based upon literally fuck all detail.  

<Mandalorian Mode ON> This is the way <Mandalorian Mode OFF>


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 10:31:27
The problem with putting on a concert and doing it well, even if loads of it outsourced... is the club will be required to do lots of things well, but we tend to do lots of things badly / make shortcuts / expect things on the cheap. They should practice with running a football club well before expanding into other areas


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 10:44:42
The Black Keys are town fans through their manager....maybe give him a bell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 11:13:26
The Black Keys are town fans through their manager....maybe give him a bell.

What a band. Would love to get this going in the Town End:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RuPOYwmn8


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 11:42:03


Yet we have page upon page of complaint and criticism in the main based upon literally fuck all detail. 

Is it moaning?  I see a lot of responses providing very constructive criticism, advice even.  Not see a poster come out and say it's a stupid idea to want to use the facility for large events.  I also think that it is a good idea, especially since the Oasis is now sitting dormant, which used to be able to pull in some smaller stuff in the past.   I also mentioned how such an idea could and should be incorporated into the development of the ground.  Often grounds are developed simply with the football in mind with add on facilities looking a bit bolt on.  We have an opportunity to develop the ground with other uses in mind.  Obviously it's on a different scale and was an entire ground, but what Spurs did was impressive, not least having their pitch designed to be removed and replaced to allow for other events to be scheduled.  I'm nont suggesting we install a rollaway pitch, but we should think about what is needed to retain a grass surface when we may need to use the space for a month of the off season for example.  Do we need to store the infrastructure needed for such events?  There are loads of details like this we could be exerting effort on right now, building the plan.

This is why I brought up the Youth Academy bit - we seem to chuck some words around, but I don't see much by way of strategic thinking.  It could all be happening behind the scenes and explode into sight at some point, but evidence suggests otherwise.  If we truly wanted an Academy to be right up there with the best, we'd invest in a development team between Youth and Pro level for example - that clearly costs money, none seems forthcoming.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 12:25:54
So far they have allocated the sum root of about 20 minutes of some ones time putting a basic survey together to gauge interest in an event, genre and possibly ticket type, as far as I can tell there is literally no evidence that they have got a promoter involved, but equally there is no evidence that they are not already working with someone.

 

I wasn't sure, so checked, they have indeed stated an aim to have one in 2024:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/the-county-ground-to-host-concert-in-2024/

It's not just a survey to see if it's worthwhile, it looks like a stated aim.  Hence the comments by people in the industry about the timeline needed to get the type of act to play a stadium, again, that seems very constructive feedback as opposed to them moaning.  The links others provided to the places that seem to have done this well also all had one thing in common, the announcement of the event date was almost a year ahead.  If the industry insiders and the printed evidence can be trusted, then we should be announcing the event now, not that we are trying to figure it out.  2025 or 2026 seems a more likely aim to enable us time to prepare a proper Commercial Plan.

It begs another question - does such a plan, to host an event or more than one, tie into any plans we have to work on the ground development, or does it hint at nothing much being expected on that front?

I think the point is that we have indeed made a fanfare announcement about something that isn't yet planned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 12:29:38
Having worked in the same industry as Saxondale but as a promoter I could not agree with him more.

The county ground could be a viable outdoor summer concert venue, but a DIY ethos is incredibly precarious and liable to fuck up. The industry thrives on reputation and professionalism. You need to be on the button from the word go.

An outside promoter in my opinion is the only sensible way to go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 13:02:08
Let’s hope that whoever ‘rocks’ up has their own ‘wall of sound’ and doesn’t rely on our PA super stereo sound system 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 13:56:18
This is why I brought up the Youth Academy bit - we seem to chuck some words around, but I don't see much by way of strategic thinking.  It could all be happening behind the scenes and explode into sight at some point, but evidence suggests otherwise.  If we truly wanted an Academy to be right up there with the best, we'd invest in a development team between Youth and Pro level for example - that clearly costs money, none seems forthcoming.

They talk more about Australia than our own academy, and the DoF says it's a priority over an U23/B Team model. How does that make sense?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 15:38:14
They talk more about Australia than our own academy, and the DoF says it's a priority over an U23/B Team model. How does that make sense?

The Australian thing is different - STFC is basically affiliating itself with some academies in oz that people will pay to attend. So it’s more of a commercial venture and getting the clubs name known. On a much bigger scale premiership clubs do it - Andy Nicholas runs Liverpools version.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 15:43:24
But have we spent money investing in the infrastructure of the Academy here?  Foundation Park seems like Eady money and not STFC usage either.  The Academy still use Beaversbrook, right?  Have we expanded the number of staff we are going to use to support the Academy (I have no idea - I know some of t he people have changed, but did we add 10 coaches for example?).

What I do know is a team like Crewe invest a lot of money to retain their status, over a million a year (and that's just the operating costs, presume investment is needed upfront to build the infrastructure needed to support it).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 15:51:51
Talking of the Academy, take a look at this - beating Gills.  Not the best quality footage. Anyone know where they played?

https://x.com/academystfc/status/1701615399325012087?s=61&t=HYPly50GSEZLTKzNdaNp7Q


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:21:04
Talking of the Academy, take a look at this - beating Gills.  Not the best quality footage. Anyone know where they played?

https://x.com/academystfc/status/1701615399325012087?s=61&t=HYPly50GSEZLTKzNdaNp7Q

Beaversbrook i would imagine?

On another note, kid from the year below me at school is the Gills Youth Team manager.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:52:57
Angus gone


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:53:38
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-statement-rob-angus/?fbclid=IwAR2_aPdIeBIBrSE6EVe0EhI2jx8IPstm50XKOG1C9nlARCE5zL9fymu7TvI

Swindon Town Football Club can announce that Rob Angus has decided to step down from his role as Chief Executive and will officially leave the club on Friday.

Rob has been in the role since July 2021, and played a key role in delivering the purchase of The County Ground as part of a joint venture with Supporters Trust and Nigel Eady Trustees earlier this year, along with other key areas which have improved during his time in the role.

When reflecting on his achievements and explaining his decision to move on, he said:


“I am announcing today that due to personal reasons I am stepping down from my position as CEO of Swindon Town Football Club.

“It’s been an honour to be CEO of our local football club and to have worked with Clem to turn it around from the position we inherited in July 2021. 



“One of the key highlights has been working with the Supporters Trust and the Nigel Eady Trustees on purchasing the County Ground for the long-term benefit of our football club and its supporters.

“I am handing the reigns over to Anthony Hall, who is someone I have worked closely with over the past 5 months in his role of Head of Operations & Stadium Development and have known personally for over 2 years now. 

“Anthony is a great person; a very successful and experienced CEO/MD and I know will be a huge success in the role and will drive our football club onwards and upwards.

“Thank you all for your support and COYR!”

Chairman, Clem Morfuni would also like to thank Rob for his hard work and professionalism since his appointment just over two years ago, as all those involved in the football club, (club staff and supporters alike) wish him well in his next venture and future endeavours, along with welcoming Anthony into his new role at Swindon Town:

“Rob is going to be a big miss for the football club, but someone who leaves his official role with a lot of pride and improvements made during his time here.

“Of course, he has left the role due to personal reasons, but we are still very close and I’m thankful for all his hard work and commitment to the club during his time as CEO.

“He will always have a place with us moving forwards should he choose to and we hope to see him just as committed and passionate about Swindon Town as he always had been.

“He has already said he intends to continue coming to games, but solely as a fan this time, which is great news as he is simply STFC through and through!

“Looking forward and we now see the responsibility of CEO transfer over to Anthony Hall, someone I have known for a significant amount of time and someone I know who is more than capable of taking on and developing the great place Rob has left our club in.

“I look forward to working with Anthony in his new role and I hope supporters can continue their fantastic support to get behind him and the rest of the team, as we look to develop on the positive start to the 2023/24 season we’ve had on the pitch!”

Following this decision, Swindon Town Football Club has appointed Anthony Hall as its new Chief Executive Officer.

The club are pleased to confirm that Anthony Hall has accepted the position of Chief Executive and will take on the role from Friday.

Hall will take over from Rob Angus, who is leaving his role after just over two years due to personal reasons. He has been with the club for the past five months in his current role as Head of Operations and Stadium Development and will now transition over to this new role immediately.

Chairman Clem Morfuni said: “I am delighted that Anthony has accepted my offer to become the club’s Chief Executive. I have no doubt he will be a success in the role.

“Despite being with the club for just a few months, I’ve known Anthony for over 10 years and brought him on board to Swindon Town earlier this year as I know what an asset, he is to both my business and also, now the football club in a full-time capacity.

“During our time working together, I have seen how dedicated he is, how hard-working he is and how important he will be from a business point of view.

“Once we knew Rob intended to move on, we had conversations about the role because I feel he has all the key attributes to be a success as CEO and I have every confidence he will deliver to the high standards he sets.

“As a football club and as a business overall, it is important that we have stability and I believe Anthony’s appointment will give us that.”

“There is nobody that we could want more in this important leadership role and I am excited to see the great things Anthony will do in this new role as CEO in the years to come and what we will deliver as a football club to our supporters.

Following his appointment as CEO, Hall said:

“Firstly, I’d like to say that I think Rob’s done a brilliant job, in terms of the stadium purchase, Rob was very influential in doing that along with the Supporters’ Trust, but also in terms of the fan engagement he’s brought during his time in the role, I think has been excellent.

“I believe I’ll bring a lot to this role due to my business knowledge and what I have done for Clem and will continue to do in this new role at the club and I’m looking forward to bringing these areas of expertise into this business to take it forward.

“I started at the very beginning as an Electrician before quickly moving into management and working for Axis about 10 and half years ago, before becoming the Managing Director of Axis, until finding myself here in the exciting opportunity that is Swindon Town Football Club.

“Similar to what Michael Flynn said at the Fans Forum, in terms of going out to the community and supporting the community, particularly where we want to grow it here at Swindon Town the fan engagement will be vital and is a huge part of where I want this club to be and we want the community to feel a part of it at the football club going forwards.

“We rely on the fans coming in on a matchday and I hope we can continue the promising start we’ve made to this season as we look to build on the potential that is here for the football club and push as far forward as we can with the squad we currently have.”

This transition will also see the Stadium Manager, Lee Dover move up to the role of Head of Operations and Stadium Development, a role which Anthony has been heading up during his time at the club.

Upon this decision, Hall commented: “The role will now move over to Lee Dover, who has been the club’s Stadium Manager and I know Lee is very much looking forward to that role.

“In terms of where we’ve left it following my transition to CEO, I feel it’s in a good place and Lee will soon be able to provide an update on where we are in terms of the progression and plans for The County Ground.”

We’d like to wish all those involved the very best in their new roles and thank Rob for his years of service too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:56:29
How many times did they get ‘personal reasons’ in that article.

Unless someone spills the beans we’ll never know for sure why


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:57:44
How many times did they get ‘personal reasons’ in that article.

Unless someone spills the beans we’ll never know for sure why

Pay off with a signed NDA i would take a guess at.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:59:12
That's some article!

All the best Rob and hope that you can continue watching games from the stands.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:02:29
Never heard of Clem’s new man. Yes man?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:12:57
The new CEO is from Axis.

Axis UK (from what I can tell on companies house) had an annual turnover of £15k, only 1 employee, company was registered to a flat in Hampshire, and has now been dissolved..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:14:07
The new CEO is from Axis.

Axis UK (from what I can tell on companies house) had an annual turnover of £15k, only 1 employee, company was registered to a flat in Hampshire, and has now been dissolved..

Sounds like a side hustle rather than a business!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:14:12
Sounds promising!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:20:15
Steve Anderson mark 2?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:20:36
All the best to Rob - let’s hope the new guy is more Nick Watkins than Steve Anderson!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:23:41
Having RA there was the only thing keeping me satisfied that the club was being run properly, without him I have concerns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:24:18
Shame that 2 Swindon fans in roles with the club have left


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:26:02
Lets be honest, the stadium development is THE gig in town, so Hall is the obvious choice to take the helm given he comes free of charge (to Clem, as he already pays for him).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:26:45
The Trust will now have to step up & ensure that club is being run as we were told it would be. I do fear that might go the other way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:28:51
comments from the facebook forum, greatest hits.

"u lot are so gullible unless u see the club release it then don’t believe it"

"There is no off the field stuff, just lies from so called supporters"

"what off field problems?
The only ones I've seen are the rumours, wildly ridiculous claims and blatant lies on here from people who apparently know more about clems finances than clem himself does."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:32:53
Oddly, now would have been a great time to have had an announcement about Chris Kiely up your sleeve.  Rob has left us for personal reasons but with two big challenges facing us - developing our ground and getting promotion from this Division in a sustainable way, we are bringing in two people to CEO & COO - Hall and Kiely.  Hall will lead us through a 5-10 year development of the ground to enable us to increase our revenue streams through better use of commercial space, corporate hospitality, extra capacity and running events, while Chris is bringing his experience of the game into the Boardroom, not least his football stat recruitment model that will enable us to extract maximum value from our budget and push towards our aim of Championship football blah blah blah.  Add in the bit about Chris having helped pay off the debt.  Imagine that being the PR back at the end of the year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:35:45
Oddly, now would have been a great time to have had an announcement about Chris Kiely up your sleeve.  Rob has left us for personal reasons but with two big challenges facing us - developing our ground and getting promotion from this Division in a sustainable way, we are bringing in two people to CEO & COO - Hall and Kiely.  Hall will lead us through a 5-10 year development of the ground to enable us to increase our revenue streams through better use of commercial space, corporate hospitality, extra capacity and running events, while Chris is bringing his experience of the game into the Boardroom, not least his football stat recruitment model that will enable us to extra maximum value from our budget and push towards our aim of Championship football blah blah blah.  Add in the bit about Chris having helped pay off the debt.  Imagine that being the PR back at the end of the year.
So simple - avoids any knee jerk reactions and sounds eminently sensible.

Not the Swindon way, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:46:13
So simple - avoids any knee jerk reactions and sounds eminently sensible.

Not the Swindon way, though.

Rather just cover it all up even though nobody is quite sure on the motive to do that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 17:50:23
As it happens, I'm tentatively in the market for a new role, STFC, give me a bell, we can do lunch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 18:07:55
Well, it wasn't unexpected, but it is another little thing building up a bigger picture. Feel for Rob, would have been a dream job and this isn't how anyone would have liked it to end.

Clem must be cursing his luck that these personal reasons have emerged at a time when a trusted face at the club with a good relationship with the Trust would be so incredibly helpful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 18:13:22
To be fair, 'personal reasons' may actually be 'personal reasons'.

or 'what's the fucking point' reasons too.

whatever, the safety net is gone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 18:15:16
What other reason could they give without giving the game away.

‘Rob has decided to resign his post because of Clem’s constant BS’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 18:37:38
I wonder if this news is a precursor to announcing a couple of signings to keep us on board.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 18:43:25
To be fair, 'personal reasons' may actually be 'personal reasons'.

or 'what's the fucking point' reasons too.

whatever, the safety net is gone.

TBF lands dream job and it’s not what he thought it would be / hung out to dry very much falls under “personal reasons.” Maybe he just wants to be a supporter again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 18:48:14
Personal reasons could easily be fed up of all the aggro with the role and social media calling him out all the time.

Of course, some of that comes with working in football but I imagine living in Swindon for years, where a lot of people, will know you, and constant questions etc would grind you down.

It's easier for Rob to slip back into the corporate world like Nationwide and hand over to someone who is a bit more low profile.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 19:09:00
regardless of actual reason, it felt like he was being sidelined anyway given the whole share fiasco.

Better for him he got out, even if that wasn't the specific reason


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 19:39:46
I suspect I’m not alone, but thanks Rob Angus for all of your work. It must have been incredibly challenging from a personal perspective to work in an environment you care so much about, surrounded by a few influential but disreputable characters. We were better with him, but nobody can begrudge him a return to a more normal day to day…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 02:12:49
Rob is an honorable guy.  That may have become a problem in his role at STFC.  I hope that is the extent of his "personal" problems.  Regardless, for me, he leaves with his head held high and his self respect intact. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 05:05:28
Whenever I think of Rob Angus, it's the look on his face at Leyton Orient when the fans were chanting about wanting Sandro put. Clearly a huge fan and maybe the stress of being both a fan and CEO was too much. We will possibly not know for some time but I wish him the best.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:13:58
Someone put on twitter that it’s not just Angus who’s left - Norman, Lindsey, Chorley and Morris all effectively resigned from the club. Too many for a coincidence.

Morris alluded to ‘things going on’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:14:44
Someone put on twitter that it’s not just Angus who’s left - Norman, Lindsey, Chorley and Morris all effectively resigned from the club. Too many for a coincidence.

Morris alluded to ‘things going on’.
Morris was sacked. Lindsey jumped before he was pushed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:21:14
Someone put on twitter that it’s not just Angus who’s left - Norman, Lindsey, Chorley and Morris all effectively resigned from the club. Too many for a coincidence.

Morris alluded to ‘things going on’.

Did Ed Brand ever actually officially join us to the point where we actually employed him?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:27:46
Did Ed Brand ever actually officially join us to the point where we actually employed him?!
I think he did (eventually).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:35:22
I think he did (eventually).

For about a week until we sacked him

What a time to be alive


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:52:27
Someone put on twitter that it’s not just Angus who’s left - Norman, Lindsey, Chorley and Morris all effectively resigned from the club. Too many for a coincidence.

Morris alluded to ‘things going on’.

Setting aside that at least two of them were essentially pushed, 5 resignations from a company employing c.100 people is hardly earth shattering. TBH its also fairly normal for some churn after taking over a distressed company after a period to move it forward.

Long and short, not sure anyone knows the precise reason why RA has gone, could be a plethora of reasons on his side and/or the clubs. As noted previously the fact that he has worked some sort of notice period suggests that either its very amicable or that its been in the post for a lot longer than the rumours suggest.

Anyway good luck to the bloke and we move on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 10:03:27
Someone put on twitter that it’s not just Angus who’s left - Norman, Lindsey, Chorley and Morris all effectively resigned from the club. Too many for a coincidence.

Morris alluded to ‘things going on’.

TBF if ‘things going on’ meant Morris out Flynn in that’s a result!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 10:20:05
Setting aside that at least two of them were essentially pushed, 5 resignations from a company employing c.100 people is hardly earth shattering.

Those five being the CEO, CFO, Director of Football and two first team managers is hardly five employees selected at random though, is it?

(fwiw I think putting Lindsey/Morris in that list is a bit of a separate thing, but it's hardly three folks from the club shop)



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 10:23:03
I heard a rumour Chorley couldnt stand Zav Austin and thats why he left, dont know how true that was mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 10:55:55
I heard a rumour Chorley couldnt stand Zav Austin and thats why he left, dont know how true that was mind

Quite possible - Chorley was brought in by LEE POWER.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 11:36:36
When was the last time we heard directly from Clem ?, couldn't be bothered with any open forums, send's out Rob to speak on his behalf for to turn into BS, Doesn't do interviews with the press any more.

He seems to have disappeared other than any written communication that you would guess is not written by him.

Now he is losing Rob Angus that was the link between him / Trust / Fans.

It was said quite a while ago we miss someone that has football experience around the boardroom, Rob & Clem had limited knowledge but at least had 2 years, Clem is very hands off, that experience as of Friday is gone.

I know Flynn has experience, but its not his job to assist with boardroom matters, and you would hope he wouldn't want to either.

It seems to be jobs for the former AXIS team at the club now, I hope in time that Rob Angus re-joins the Trust board though, his knowledge I'm sure would be useful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 11:42:36

It seems to be jobs for the former AXIS team at the club now, I hope in time that Rob Angus re-joins the Trust board though, his knowledge I'm sure would be useful.


This. Although he may have his hands (and lips) tied with NDAs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 11:54:59
Quote from: Power to people
When was the last time we heard directly from Clem ?, couldn't be bothered with any open forums, send's out Rob to speak on his behalf for to turn into BS, Doesn't do interviews with the press any more.
.

I think BBC wilts  spoke to him when the Axis company folding was first revealed.

Not sure that fits your definition of "we"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 12:34:25
I heard a rumour Chorley couldnt stand Zav Austin and thats why he left, dont know how true that was mind


Very true and reciprocal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 12:49:37

Very true and reciprocal.

Seems to have a lot of sway for a ‘matchday guest’ ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 08:05:36
I heard a rumour Chorley couldnt stand Zav Austin and thats why he left, dont know how true that was mind

Yeah I think that was fairly common knowledge. I don't think anyone likes Zav really. Frustrating that he's still in the shadows looming


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 08:46:14
Can anybody find anything about Anthony Hall on Companies House?

His LinkedIn suggests he was/is:
UK Managing Director
Axis Services Group LTD
Sep 2019 - Present

AXIS M & E UK LIMITED
Operations Manager
AXIS M & E UK LIMITED
Sep 2018 - Sep 2019

However, I can't find him on Axis Services Group LTD or the M & E UK LTD pages.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 08:51:02
Can anybody find anything about Anthony Hall on Companies House?

His LinkedIn suggests he was/is:
UK Managing Director
Axis Services Group LTD
Sep 2019 - Present

AXIS M & E UK LIMITED
Operations Manager
AXIS M & E UK LIMITED
Sep 2018 - Sep 2019

However, I can't find him on Axis Services Group LTD or the M & E UK LTD pages.

If he has never formally been a director (and there is no reason why an MD or OM would have to be) then there would be no mention of him on CH. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:01:22
If he has never formally been a director (and there is no reason why an MD or OM would have to be) then there would be no mention of him on CH. 

Yeah agreed. In this instance the 'director' element is his job title, rather than him being a director of axis the company.

https://www.axisgroupuk.com/about-us/


Our two new top men are photographed here


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:09:27
Yeah agreed. In this instance the 'director' element is his job title, rather than him being a director of axis the company.

https://www.axisgroupuk.com/about-us/


Our two new top men are photographed here

Looks like Jeremy Hunt


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:12:26
Looks like Jeremy Hunt
Do you mean Jeremy Hunt or a right Jeremy Hunt?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:16:39
Looks like Jeremy Hunt

Scarily like the love child of Jeremy Hunt and Lee Anderson.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 20:33:49
Textbook #STFC evening on Twitter. Trust rep, commercial manager and fans going at eachother in some way or another, here’s a few below for anyone interested. I’m sure “stfcquestions” is shaking at the thought of the trust knowing who he is.

https://twitter.com/jsphotographyuk/status/1702349118449078525?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg
https://twitter.com/stfcquestions/status/1702355300261466613?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg
https://twitter.com/jamburgoyne/status/1702358503648563585?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg


Oh, and good that we ain’t got weasels like this at the club anymore. Playground type of thing to say. Clearly still bitter that he got sacked. https://twitter.com/keehlanp/status/1702059682204922138?s=46&t=ogDLXJ96cK_WBQahaJzdyg


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 20:41:35
Why was he sacked?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 20:55:03
Why was he sacked?

So this is our former physios husband.
We keep hearing about how the players and management have a great team spirit.
Which is great to hear as everyone else seems to bloody hate each other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 20:59:35
So this is our former physios husband.
We keep hearing about how the players and management have a great team spirit.
Which is great to hear as everyone else seems to bloody hate each other.


Actually I think he might have sour grapes because he was replaced in his part time role as women's assistant manager.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:00:29
So this is our former physios husband.
We keep hearing about how the players and management have a great team spirit.
Which is great to hear as everyone else seems to bloody hate each other.


If you read twitter and this forum the fans hate each other too.... like rats in a sack


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:01:30
If James Spencer spent less time defending and being the clubs spokesperson on Twitter and more time actually trying to hold them to account, as he should as the Trusts vice chairman, we may have actually had some answers by now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:03:15
So this is our former physios husband.

The one that just left after having a baby?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:07:18
The one that just left after having a baby?

She returned after the baby, then left after her husband was sacked, and then came back and did the Doncaster game last week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:12:57
The main complaint on Twitter seems to be the small lotto machine. If that’s all they’ve got to Moan about things can’t be too bad.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:16:19
She returned after the baby, then left after her husband was sacked, and then came back and did the Doncaster game last week.

Yo-yo physio!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:19:12
If James Spencer spent less time defending and being the clubs spokesperson on Twitter and more time actually trying to hold them to account, as he should as the Trusts vice chairman, we may have actually had some answers by now.

Amen to this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Anonymous77 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:26:39
Gets draining all the fans moaning on Twitter. Only really check the STFC stuff on twitter when it’s a matchday nowadays.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 21:33:40
I get that it drains for some. so you are probably best avoiding.

I'm not angry but the lottery thing is a bit 'spinal tap stonehenge'. in fact it makes me chuckle/cringe


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 22:04:32
If James Spencer spent less time defending and being the clubs spokesperson on Twitter and more time actually trying to hold them to account, as he should as the Trusts vice chairman, we may have actually had some answers by now.

He is completely out of touch with how some fans are feeling right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 23:13:50
He is completely out of touch with how some fans are feeling right now.
I would go as far as to say he’s a liability for the Trust. As well meaning as he may be his constant defence of everything the club does isn’t exactly helping break the perception that the Trust are nothing but the clubs lapdogs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 15, 2023, 00:27:28
Why was he sacked?

The women’s team were doing ok and they just got rid of the manager & assistant manager with about 5 games to go allegedly rather abruptly. Think it was mooted that it literally the first conversation they’d had with the club hierarchy

They replaced them pretty sharpish with Mike Cook who was already doing some work at the club. Reading between the lines they saw a chance to upgrade the Women’s team set up so took it - right away.

Think the assistant managers Mrs (the Physio) was on Maternity leave at the time but also thought she left? Whether she’s come back permanently or did it as a one off to cover for someone who knows *shrug*


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 15, 2023, 03:01:20
If James Spencer spent less time defending and being the clubs spokesperson on Twitter and more time actually trying to hold them to account, as he should as the Trusts vice chairman, we may have actually had some answers by now.

It's interesting that he still seems as on board as he always has been, suggests to me that RA hasn't given the Trust an off the record 'it's over lads' type warning.

I do agree though that he is... not performing the role as I would personally like to see it performed. Publicly in any case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:30:23
For all their tremendous work over the years, and someone can correct me.
It’s going to take a monumental shift for the Trust to win back some “Trust” from many supporters who are paying them a monthly fee.
I’m trying to avoid being hyperbolic here but this weekend will probably be the defining moment for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:41:12
Ironic that he rather threateningly says "we know who you are" when the Trust probably can't say the same of the current Swindon Town ownership.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:43:18
[Horlock]Well I don’t see any of you volunteering to support - you do release you can stand for election to the Trust board?[\Horlock]

In all seriousness, Spencer is a liability on Twitter and it’s really no surprise the club appear to treat The Trust with disdain when it comes to addressing recent concerns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:45:47
The main complaint on Twitter seems to be the small lotto machine. If that’s all they’ve got to Moan about things can’t be too bad.

Looks like it came out of a cracker  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:48:24
Looks like it came out of a cracker  :)

That lotto machine is symbolism of the tinpot approach to so many things off the field at present.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:49:47
How dare you, a volunteer put that bingo machine together


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 15, 2023, 06:58:56
Not too invested in bingo-gate, but it doesn't bode well to see this kind of desperate social media activity from the Trust's vice chair on the day before some of the most important and probing questions in our recent history are being asked. Stinks of Nadine Dorries defence of BoJo.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:16:08
That lotto machine is symbolism of the tinpot approach to so many things off the field at present.

Harsh - if you look online they’re all tiny unless you pay £2k for a full sized machine - buying that would sort of defeat the object of the whole thing as a money making exercise. Maybe TTEF can sponsor the lotto machine?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:26:28
It does feel like we moving towards needing a fan initiative to get the Trust back to doing what most fans and I'm assuming members think they should be, pending the outcome of the showdown today!

As discussed on here, moving the stadium side of things to a separate entity feels like a constructive suggestion, and that would bring clarity of purpose back to the Supporters' Trust.

As a case in point, whilst you can find a link if you search "join Trust STFC" on Google, can anyone work how to join the Trust by navigating their website? (Large caveat: I may be being absolutely blind!)

https://truststfc.com/

I can buy a voting share for the stadium but there doesn't seem to be an obvious "join the Trust" section, which I think rather illustrates how muddled they have become.

Similarly, whilst people make the valid point that anyone can put themselves up for election, are the Honorary Officers in jobs for life?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:31:56
They paused new members, maybe they've not plugged https://truststfc.com/join-the-trust-donate-regularly/ back into the menus.
Bit of an oversight


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:47:13
I actually quite like the twee/fun nature of the lotto draw. Personally I think some of the criticism to the club of this, is all a bit silly. It's almost like people on Twitter feel they have to contribute on EVERYTHING done by the club.

Provided the club has the relevant licenses in order to run this lotto, then why not? Apparently there are 300 subscribers to this and any income - however small - is handy in this day and age.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:50:32
It does feel like we moving towards needing a fan initiative to get the Trust back to doing what most fans and I'm assuming members think they should be, pending the outcome of the showdown today!

As discussed on here, moving the stadium side of things to a separate entity feels like a constructive suggestion, and that would bring clarity of purpose back to the Supporters' Trust.

As a case in point, whilst you can find a link if you search "join Trust STFC" on Google, can anyone work how to join the Trust by navigating their website? (Large caveat: I may be being absolutely blind!)

https://truststfc.com/

I can buy a voting share for the stadium but there doesn't seem to be an obvious "join the Trust" section, which I think rather illustrates how muddled they have become.

Similarly, whilst people make the valid point that anyone can put themselves up for election, are the Honorary Officers in jobs for life?

They revamped the membership, if you sign up for a voting share, you are joining the Trust. Then you can also contribute to the CG funds as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:51:10
Harsh - if you look online they’re all tiny unless you pay £2k for a full sized machine - buying that would sort of defeat the object of the whole thing as a money making exercise. Maybe TTEF can sponsor the lotto machine?

I would be very suprised if you need to have some kind of ball-machine to run a lottery. You could program an excel file to do it in a minute.

It looks tinpot. The idea itself isn’t my cup of tea but I wouldn’t be too upset by it if the presentation of it wasn’t absolutely village


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:51:34
I actually quite like the twee/fun nature of the lotto draw. Personally I think some of the criticism to the club of this, is all a bit silly. It's almost like people on Twitter feel they have to contribute on EVERYTHING done by the club.

Provided the club has the relevant licenses in order to run this lotto, then why not? Apparently there are 300 subscribers to this and any income - however small - is handy in this day and age.

Agreed.

Aside from the photo of Rob Angus looking like he was being forced to play Russian roulette rather than run the Lilliput Lottery, this is a distraction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:55:58
They revamped the membership, if you sign up for a voting share, you are joining the Trust. Then you can also contribute to the CG funds as well.

Thanks. Not a very clear system, and as I say, there is no 'Join the Trust' tab on any of the menus.

Does one need to buy a voting share every year?

Appreciate that the Ground purchase was complicated but we've ended up with a labyrinthine system that I would imagine could negatively impact on Trust membership numbers in the medium/long term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 15, 2023, 07:55:59
If there are 300 subscribers paying £5 a month, then they’re massively inflating the prize pot if it’s increasing £250 a week. T’s and c’s say 30% of takings go into prizes - at that rate it’s about 60%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:06:13
I actually quite like the twee/fun nature of the lotto draw. Personally I think some of the criticism to the club of this, is all a bit silly. It's almost like people on Twitter feel they have to contribute on EVERYTHING done by the club.

Provided the club has the relevant licenses in order to run this lotto, then why not? Apparently there are 300 subscribers to this and any income - however small - is handy in this day and age.
I think if they're going to film it, they need the balls (giggle) to be visible, because it's not giving the oversight I assume they think they're giving


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:12:24
I actually quite like the twee/fun nature of the lotto draw. Personally I think some of the criticism to the club of this, is all a bit silly. It's almost like people on Twitter feel they have to contribute on EVERYTHING done by the club.

Provided the club has the relevant licenses in order to run this lotto, then why not? Apparently there are 300 subscribers to this and any income - however small - is handy in this day and age.
I’m minded to agree - it’s fairly harmless and whilst not something I’ve signed up for myself, each to their own and its income for the club.

I think they are on a hiding to nothing at the moment in terms of any output being jumped on. Blimey, I even read someone moaning about too many shutters being down when they visited the club shop recently  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:14:17
I actually quite like the twee/fun nature of the lotto draw. Personally I think some of the criticism to the club of this, is all a bit silly. It's almost like people on Twitter feel they have to contribute on EVERYTHING done by the club.

Provided the club has the relevant licenses in order to run this lotto, then why not? Apparently there are 300 subscribers to this and any income - however small - is handy in this day and age.

I agree. It does look tinpot and very amateur BUT why does it matter? If people want to see it as a way to put some money in the club and have a chance of winning something, then do it. It's not for me, but if people want to do it then fair play. Too much bickering over nothing for this one. Do buy a better machine though!  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:22:09
Agreed.

Aside from the photo of Rob Angus looking like he was being forced to play Russian roulette rather than run the Lilliput Lottery, this is a distraction.

ha - yeah that hostage type picture was humerous. :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:23:31
I’m minded to agree - it’s fairly harmless and whilst not something I’ve signed up for myself, each to their own and its income for the club.

I think they are on a hiding to nothing at the moment in terms of any output being jumped on. Blimey, I even read someone moaning about too many shutters being down when they visited the club shop recently  :D

Audrey loves a moan tbf!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:38:43
Just going back to the change of CEO from Rob to Anthony Hall, my question/brain fart is: Does a CEO of a football club/is it beneficial to have someone with a (deep) experience in the football/sporting industry? We've now gone from Rob Angus who had a huge level of experience in the Financial Industry, and a big football fan, to Anthony, who's come from a completely different industry and no experience in football as far as I'm aware.

The CEO has to make huge decisions, and set the company/club's strategic direction. I guess what I'm driving at is: is someone likely to be able to do this better having a background in the game? Clearly Clem thinks he's the best man for the job and that's fair enough. I just wonder if we would be better served getting someone in who has a deep knowledge of the industry.

I've no idea about CEOs at other football clubs, but figured it might take the discussion away from the lotto for a bit! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:44:04
It does feel like we moving towards needing a fan initiative to get the Trust back to doing what most fans and I'm assuming members think they should be, pending the outcome of the showdown today!

As discussed on here, moving the stadium side of things to a separate entity feels like a constructive suggestion, and that would bring clarity of purpose back to the Supporters' Trust.

As a case in point, whilst you can find a link if you search "join Trust STFC" on Google, can anyone work how to join the Trust by navigating their website? (Large caveat: I may be being absolutely blind!)

https://truststfc.com/

I can buy a voting share for the stadium but there doesn't seem to be an obvious "join the Trust" section, which I think rather illustrates how muddled they have become.

Similarly, whilst people make the valid point that anyone can put themselves up for election, are the Honorary Officers in jobs for life?
The Trust own 50% of the ground, it can't simply be moved to another entity.  That was the whole point or the council would never have sold and the Eadys never have handed over 2 and a half million quid.   There would also likely be more stamp duty to pay.

Also I thought everyone on the trust board were unpaid volunteers and there are annual elections for the directors each year.  There are no directors remuneration disclosed in their accounts, so hardly "jobs" for life.

You could always get involved and try to change things from the inside or set up another organisation if you feel that passionately about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:55:29
Just going back to the change of CEO from Rob to Anthony Hall, my question/brain fart is: Does a CEO of a football club/is it beneficial to have someone with a (deep) experience in the football/sporting industry? We've now gone from Rob Angus who had a huge level of experience in the Financial Industry, and a big football fan, to Anthony, who's come from a completely different industry and no experience in football as far as I'm aware.

The CEO has to make huge decisions, and set the company/club's strategic direction. I guess what I'm driving at is: is someone likely to be able to do this better having a background in the game? Clearly Clem thinks he's the best man for the job and that's fair enough. I just wonder if we would be better served getting someone in who has a deep knowledge of the industry.

I've no idea about CEOs at other football clubs, but figured it might take the discussion away from the lotto for a bit! :)

In a similar vein, who is now the clubs face? It started with Clem he backed away and Rob became the main focal point. Are we going to hear from Anthony Hall or will he be a Steve Anderson type CEO who lurks in the background.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, September 15, 2023, 08:56:30
Just going back to the change of CEO from Rob to Anthony Hall, my question/brain fart is: Does a CEO of a football club/is it beneficial to have someone with a (deep) experience in the football/sporting industry? We've now gone from Rob Angus who had a huge level of experience in the Financial Industry, and a big football fan, to Anthony, who's come from a completely different industry and no experience in football as far as I'm aware.

The CEO has to make huge decisions, and set the company/club's strategic direction. I guess what I'm driving at is: is someone likely to be able to do this better having a background in the game? Clearly Clem thinks he's the best man for the job and that's fair enough. I just wonder if we would be better served getting someone in who has a deep knowledge of the industry.

I've no idea about CEOs at other football clubs, but figured it might take the discussion away from the lotto for a bit! :)

Happy to be corrected, but I doubt that is how CEO at Swindon works nowadays. CEO seems to conduct community engagement activities, and be the day to day troubleshooter, whilst Zav Austin, whoever is in the background (presumably Kiely, Hart (?) and Standing) and maybe Morfuni muddle together to form a strategic direction, which I fear may be: "How do we get our money back?"

I saw the Twitter discussion yesterday between STFCquestions and James Spencer. There are two camps it seems - one that is happy to gloss over uncertainties behind the scenes and enjoy the football (which is great), and another which can't move on whilst we have the levels of professional dishonesty we have behind the scenes - Austin and co are poisonous to the relationship with the fans simply because of their history. I see both sides, but I'm desperate to see the decks cleared and have some integrity in the boardroom.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 15, 2023, 09:38:27
In a similar vein, who is now the clubs face? It started with Clem he backed away and Rob became the main focal point. Are we going to hear from Anthony Hall or will he be a Steve Anderson type CEO who lurks in the background.

Does it need a 'face', I would rather those running the club got on with running it rather than feeling the need to get their face and quotes in the media every 5 minutes. There was quite a lot of stick about Clem doing this when he took over.

Do fans of other clubs tend to hear from people outside the football side of the club regularly, apart from those who use the club as a personal attention grabber like the guy at Peterborough or Staveley at Newcastle where its more to try and push a narrative that they are most definitely not owned by the Saudi government?

whoever is in the background (presumably Kiely, Hart (?) and Standing) and maybe Morfuni muddle together to form a strategic direction, which I fear may be: "How do we get our money back?"

Is there fear about that being their objective, I don't for one second think that any of our owners since, I dunno Seton Wills maybe, have been in it for anything more than getting their money back at worst and making a profit at best for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 15, 2023, 09:43:11
Thanks. Not a very clear system, and as I say, there is no 'Join the Trust' tab on any of the menus.

Does one need to buy a voting share every year?

Appreciate that the Ground purchase was complicated but we've ended up with a labyrinthine system that I would imagine could negatively impact on Trust membership numbers in the medium/long term.

The £19.69 is a yearly charge, agreed it's not as simple as it used to be, not sure what the latest membership number is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 09:52:58
The Trust own 50% of the ground, it can't simply be moved to another entity.  That was the whole point or the council would never have sold and the Eadys never have handed over 2 and a half million quid.   There would also likely be more stamp duty to pay.

Also I thought everyone on the trust board were unpaid volunteers and there are annual elections for the directors each year.  There are no directors remuneration disclosed in their accounts, so hardly "jobs" for life.

You could always get involved and try to change things from the inside or set up another organisation if you feel that passionately about it.


You've literally quoted a message where I am asking about how to join the Trust...

I'm also under no illusion that these are volunteers are not taking a fat cat salary. I am just asking whether there is a real ability to generate change if the leadership who have set a strategic direction for the Trust that an increasing number of fans seemingly disagree with are permanent fixtures.

On the separate entity front, fair points but then maybe this can be handled with some internal division/two separate streams. Plenty of people have articulated how this might be beneficial. If nothing else it might clear up the membership tier situation mentioned above.

I'm still taken aback by how defensive people are about all matters Trust STFC. We have the Vice Chair tilting at windmills online in Orwellian language. Is that good or appropriate? Does that look like an organisation you want to join?! Who even is "we" in "we know who you are"? The Trust or the club? I'm not sure which is worse.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 15, 2023, 11:45:55

I'm still taken aback by how defensive people are about all matters Trust STFC. We have the Vice Chair tilting at windmills online in Orwellian language. Is that good or appropriate? Does that look like an organisation you want to join?! Who even is "we" in "we know who you are"? The Trust or the club? I'm not sure which is worse.

 

Agree. It isn't good at all. What is he going to do, send Zav Austin around to sort 'STFC Questions' out?

Looks pathetic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:06:21
Here you go. Who’s all mouth no trousers?

‘ Next Wednesday at 8-30 pm!!

@Official_STFC owner Clem Morfuni will be On the Sofa to answer YOUR questions.

The @STFCSupClub, in association with @T_STBL, will give YOU the chance to address the issues that YOU want addressed about STFC.

Wednesday 20/9/23 at 8-30 pm!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:17:14
Here you go. Who’s all mouth no trousers?

‘ Next Wednesday at 8-30 pm!!

@Official_STFC owner Clem Morfuni will be On the Sofa to answer YOUR questions.

The @STFCSupClub, in association with @T_STBL, will give YOU the chance to address the issues that YOU want addressed about STFC.

Wednesday 20/9/23 at 8-30 pm!

Bah. Why is the sofa so small. Tinpot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:19:09
Here you go. Who’s all mouth no trousers?

‘ Next Wednesday at 8-30 pm!!

@Official_STFC owner Clem Morfuni will be On the Sofa to answer YOUR questions.

The @STFCSupClub, in association with @T_STBL, will give YOU the chance to address the issues that YOU want addressed about STFC.

Wednesday 20/9/23 at 8-30 pm!

Fair play - it will be good to hear from Clem.

Hopefully not too many questions about his favourite topping on a pizza, or is favourite tube line or whatever.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:22:47
How do you submit questions?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:31:37
Here you go. Who’s all mouth no trousers?

‘ Next Wednesday at 8-30 pm!!

@Official_STFC owner Clem Morfuni will be On the Sofa to answer YOUR questions.

The @STFCSupClub, in association with @T_STBL, will give YOU the chance to address the issues that YOU want addressed about STFC.

Wednesday 20/9/23 at 8-30 pm!

This is promising. Fair play Clem he will know he's in for it, but good to face the music.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:37:08
Does that mean he’ll actually be here or just via zoom or some such


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:45:10
What we really need to know is what is Clems favourite cheese.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:49:53
I presume this will be more happy clappy in nature given its the supporters club and TTBL and not the trust. Hopefully Clems answers to the trust will be reassuring or it'll be a shit show of the supporters club ignoring questions and rile people up even more.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:55:47
I presume this will be more happy clappy in nature given its the supporters club and TTBL and not the trust. Hopefully Clems answers to the trust will be reassuring or it'll be a shit show of the supporters club ignoring questions and rile people up even more.

To be fair, they've dressed it up as practically a Kitchener recruitment poster, so that doesn't suggest questions about Manchego...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:56:31
Be vetted anyway wont it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:58:10
Says live. When Power used to do the live phone in I called in a couple of times and nobody asked me beforehand what I was going to ask.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:59:33
Be vetted anyway wont it?

Questions submitted to Zav in advance, along with your name, address and details of any relatives or loved ones.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 15, 2023, 13:16:17
Didnt they do one before (not sure which platform) and they stopped someone asking a question and said you were told not to ask this one before we went live


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 15, 2023, 15:06:06
Didnt they do one before (not sure which platform) and they stopped someone asking a question and said you were told not to ask this one before we went live

Yeah was about Sandro.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 15, 2023, 15:13:39
Pointless if vetted then


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, September 15, 2023, 15:24:34
Fair play to him for doing it, as he needs to have a hard time and build trust back within the fanbase.

My only concern is that TSTBL are close to club sponsors that are in turn close to Clem, so will this be a serious questioning or something to appease the fans.

As a fan I feel frustrated at the moment with things behind the scenes detracting from our good start and I don't want to feel like that, so hopefully this is the beginning of some bridge building.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 15, 2023, 16:25:00
Can anyone see white smoke coming up from the CG post Advisory Board?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 15, 2023, 16:32:50
Yeah a fluff piece interview will do the situation no favours. Particularly if the advisory board doesn't give clear answers people are happy with.

Will we even get the advisory board notes before Wednesday? Usually a bit of a delay on posting the minutes but could to with a bit of haste this month.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 15, 2023, 16:36:41
Given the Trust were requesting answers outside the AB, you'd expect them to release their initial thoughts not long after the meeting, with a comment that all other items will be released in the AB minutes as per usual.  They have a duty to their membership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, September 15, 2023, 18:01:25
What we really need to know is what is Clems favourite cheese.

Kookaburra Brie


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 15, 2023, 18:01:49
joking aside, had anyone seen if clems taking questions and how we can ask them (live or submitted)?

 I don't subscribe to the 'fair play'. this should have been done ages ago.

but let's see how it goes.n it's going to takea while to turn this around


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, September 15, 2023, 20:07:29
What we really need to know is what is Clems favourite cheese.

Vic’s not afraid to ask the cheese question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 10:14:08
Someone on twitter reckons Clem will have a lawyer present during the Q&A.

Wtf!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 10:20:29
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Someone on twitter reckons Clem will have a lawyer present during the Q&A.

Wtf!

some that's fan fuckwittery


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 18:42:30
Someone on twitter reckons Clem will have a lawyer present during the Q&A.

Wtf!

Tbf I wouldn't want to answer Brie in the heat of the moment when it's actually classic British Mature Cheddar.

Would be fucking treason, so it would.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 19:08:48
Someone on twitter reckons Clem will have a lawyer present during the Q&A.

Wtf!

Been told this is absolutely not true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RJack on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 19:23:20
Been told this is absolutely not true.
This,  it amazes me how many fans we have that make things up just to shit stir.  Facebook page  is rife with it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 20:17:06
Been told this is absolutely not true.

Ffs 😂  comical


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 16, 2023, 22:04:03
did anyone really think in order to reassure the fan base that Clem would do a q&a lawyered up?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, September 17, 2023, 06:36:56
Been told this is absolutely not true.

It will infact be a lawyer dressed up as Clem, including bucket hat, answering questions whilst pulling pints.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 18, 2023, 13:30:44
Does anyone know how, and to whom, questions can be submitted?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 18, 2023, 16:13:41
All very quiet from the trust after the meeting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, September 18, 2023, 16:20:48
Hoping they dont come out with opening remarks along the lines of 'we will be discussing everything, other than the AB points, for which minutes will be released. no further questions on shares or ownership tonight.'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 18, 2023, 16:25:00
I did wonder if there would be a "we had a productive meeting" type message. Instead it's crickets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, September 18, 2023, 16:29:19
For context the "full minutes" came out 8 days after the last AB.
Unless shit properly hit the fan I think the Trust will reiterate the minutes that come out and say "talks are ongoing"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, September 18, 2023, 17:13:46
All very quiet from the trust after the meeting.
They did confirm they’d leave the output/minutes from the meeting in the clubs hands unfortunately- some climb down from initial statements.

One of the board members frequents this forum on occasion, perhaps he’ll confirm all went well…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 18, 2023, 17:32:25
I wouldn't assume it did go well with the silence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, September 18, 2023, 18:13:09
Vic confirms: no cheese questions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 18, 2023, 21:08:30
Vic confirms: no cheese questions.

Ok, we'll let it brie


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 18, 2023, 21:21:22
I wouldn't assume it did go well with the silence.

You'd have to think all parties are being very careful over this. Not surprised it's taking a bit of time to get the minutes agreed.

Would have been good to have them before Wednesdays thing mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, September 18, 2023, 22:10:57
Ok, we'll let it brie

Gouda God  :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 11:12:36
Fair play to Clem willing to talk, so lets hope this is an open and honest interview and along with AB Q & A it will explain in detail circumstances and current state of play, I would like to know why he decided not to release the details at the time, how he thought he would keep it under wraps.

Has anyone seen anything posted about how Q's can be submitted in advance ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 11:23:55
Has anyone seen anything posted about how Q's can be submitted in advance ?

Only that they'd be taking Q's live. Might be worth a quick Q to the supporters club via SM?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:23:00
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/advisory-board-minutes-september-2023/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:28:49
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/advisory-board-minutes-september-2023/

Trust have also released a statement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:32:42
So what we can gain from this is Lee Power and Andy Curran are even nore cunty than we thought?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:33:46
So what we can gain from this is Lee Power and Andy Curran are even nore cunty than we thought?!
Hard to believe, but yes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:36:11
‘Funds for a couple of signings’ Mmmmmm


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:37:27
there are a few key questions either wishy washy answered, side stepped or ignored in there.

The preemption answer is a key one, though provisionally ok.

No question on interest on loans either. Though it's not unreasonable to think yes.

And how the fuck "the club is still losing
at least £500 - £1M Per Year " is beyond me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:43:09
Given how Clem came to be the owner of the Club, the pre-emption rights answer is quite extraordinary.

Good punchy statement from the Trust, particularly on Rob Angus being publicly humiliated by Clem, but why isn't the Standing question in the AB minutes again?

PS - Lee Power confirms himself as a Hall of Fame C***


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:45:27
Given how Clem came to be the owner of the Club, the pre-emption rights answer is quite extraordinary.

Good punchy statement from the Trust, particularly on Rob Angus being publicly humiliated by Clem, but why isn't the Standing question in the AB minutes again?

If the question was asked, what do you think the answer would have been?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:45:51
Has anyone ever explained why the shares are owned by Mrs Kiely and Mrs Parladorio, rather than their husbands, who are named as the real interested parties? It seems strange.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:46:56
Also, I thought Clem said he had already bought the shares back - now it’s not a priority


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:47:36
If the question was asked, what do you think the answer would have been?

We were told the questions were going to be asked in the AB. If it isn't in there was it just not minuted or were they also asking questions outside the AB, in which case what else was discussed outside the AB?

It's a minor point but struck me as odd, that's all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:49:03
Has anyone ever explained why the shares are owned by Mrs Kiely and Mrs Parladorio, rather than their husbands, who are named as the real interested parties? It seems strange.

It's not unusual though..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:50:03
Hmm, immediate reaction is those minutes aren't exactly in depth and probably make things no better and no worse, but I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:50:50
https://truststfc.com/2023/09/19/share-transfer-and-ownership-statement/?fbclid=IwAR1Pb5gpMJGs-HiiwTF2M3byCVGhTWYIM6ssnLFZwcWpChqz_MZ-44jcCLc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 19:54:07
Trust statement is pretty good in my view, fair and forceful without being hysterical.

In a way the most concerning bit is the throwaway 'losing 500k-1m per year line' - if true, that would mean all the cost cutting has not closed the budgetary gap and if anything it has grown. Also a 500k range in projections on a company of this size feels pretty wild.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: oxonrobin on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:07:15
I find this bit quite reassuring

“ An example of this is Friday’s agreement to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs. ”

So long as it isn’t watered down access.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:21:30
Oh - Clem's last statement (not the Angus one, the one with Clem's name on it) said that most of the money had been relaid with only a small shareholding remaining. That seems tough to square with these answers.

There does seem to be a slight Johnsonian tendency to say whatever will make the current problem go away regardless of the long term effect creeping in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:23:15
I like the trust statement. No point in going to war. Can do more good cooperating and watching


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:37:10
Interesting


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:39:26
Interesting

That was picked up as well. Still some fabrication of the truth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:44:22
Oh - Clem's last statement (not the Angus one, the one with Clem's name on it) said that most of the money had been relaid with only a small shareholding remaining. That seems tough to square with these answers.

There does seem to be a slight Johnsonian tendency to say whatever will make the current problem go away regardless of the long term effect creeping in.

I mean, quite frankly (and before someone jumps, this is not keeping me up at night or depressing me), a couple of the responses given mean one of two things - either Clem is an incompetent fuckwit when it comes to buying a business, or he's feeding complete Bullshit.  Even a basic bit of googling could have given him more then he seemed able to achieve in terms of Due Diligence for example, and he was a fucking shareholder!!

Sorry, it's clear it's not about Fans having their club back and that the Trust are seen as useful idiots to try and keep happy because that pesky Eady Trust tied them together.

Ultimately, that may make no difference - we've not been a fan owned club and we've had some shady fuckers running the joint for as long as I can remember.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:48:44
I find this bit quite reassuring

“ An example of this is Friday’s agreement to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs. ”

So long as it isn’t watered down access.

This.

I just can't shake the feeling we're being shaken down for 'consultation fees' or the likes if we're supposedly losing money still as cost cutting measures are clearly aplenty, yet the gates are good, the ticket prices are high and the club shop is always fucking sold out of everything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:48:54
Interesting

What am I missing here as I can’t work out what the point is?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:50:35
What am I missing here as I can’t work out what the point is?

Said a month ago that the money for the shares was almost paid back, tonight this appears not to be the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:50:44
What am I missing here as I can’t work out what the point is?

Clem said he had got most of the shares back and repaid most of the loan in his follow up grovel statement when exposed as a liar and sending Rob Angus out to hang.  His response now is that he hasn't got any shares back and hadn't repaid most of the debt and doesn't see it as a priority to do so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:51:40
Ahh, thanks chaps - long day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:53:17
I mean, quite frankly (and before someone jumps, this is not keeping me up at night or depressing me), a couple of the responses given mean one of two things - either Clem is an incompetent fuckwit when it comes to buying a business, or he's feeding complete Bullshit.  Even a basic bit of googling could have given him more then he seemed able to achieve in terms of Due Diligence for example, and he was a fucking shareholder!!

Sorry, it's clear it's not about Fans having their club back and that the Trust are seen as useful idiots to try and keep happy because that pesky Eady Trust tied them together.

Ultimately, that may make no difference - we've not been a fan owned club and we've had some shady fuckers running the joint for as long as I can remember.

This is where the "Standing's frontman" argument comes to the fore IMO.

No one could be this all over the place unless there was obfuscation at play, could they?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:58:00
I'm lost.
Does Michael Standing have money?
If down the line he becomes the owner is it an issue?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:58:56
The only way we're looking between half a mill and a mill a year is it if its in consultant fees to a list of Britains most wanted.

I'm really fucked off with all this particularly given how well we're doing on the pitch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:59:31
Can someone who understands this stuff explain how you can buy £2.95m of debentures for £1m and then call the full amount in at zero notice?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 20:59:37
Tbh, I can’t make my mind up what’s the worst scenario.

Clem is just incompetent - but even that isn’t reassuring for the long term health of the club

Or

There is someone ‘standing’ in the shadows pulling the strings - until, at least, the court case is sorted.

Why can’t we, just for once, be fucking normal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:01:12
It seriously should not be this hard to keep a story together - as a way of trying to garner some sort of sympathy, I presume, he's brought up the debt when buying the club.  I haven't looked right now, but even the shitty accounts produced by Power would have shown a basket case of a business with a significant amount of debt owed to someone.  The Debenture amounts were on public record, and even existed in those very same Accounts I believe.  I'm still not entirely sure we should jump to the conclusion it was Power who owned the Debentures either - it's opaque, in so far as they provide a subtle hint it was him, but they were registered to the original Debenture Holders as far as I can see by way of official records on Companies House.  I mean, it could be Power, but just fucking say so then, we all hate him, so what possible harm could it do, unless it's BS.

As I said, I'm not losing sleep over this - my life goes on, STFC goes on.  It just seems clear to me we are getting a bunch of fluff, so better to just accept that is how it will be.  The Eady Trust has at least ensured nobody can really fuck with the Ground, the only real asset the club has any rights to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:03:25
I'm lost.
Does Michael Standing have money?
If down the line he becomes the owner is it an issue?


He has some, but he's also in business with Barry - their family links in the business world seem quite entrenched.  I think Standing's wife was a Director of a company that seemed to act solely for the purpose of managing Louie Barry's finances for example.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:03:34
I'm lost.
Does Michael Standing have money?
If down the line he becomes the owner is it an issue?


Standing/Barry weren't allowed to be owners of a football club under FA rules. Whilst Standing is now 'no longer involved' in his agency, presumably he'd need to stay in the shadows as to avoid the FA saying he was an STFC shareholder all along...
It's dragged on so fucking long, most of us can barely keep up now. But yes, the orthodoxy does seem to be "Standing bad." Should that still be the case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:04:17
The Trust statement said implicitly it was Power and Curran.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:05:17
He has some, but he's also in business with Barry - their family links in the business world seem quite entrenched.  I think Standing's wife was a Director of a company that seemed to act solely for the purpose of managing Louie Barry's finances for example.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/uktv/image/upload/b_rgb:000000,w_424,h_238/v1501236949/cj5m3popbhiziqyb4pbj.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:05:44
As did the Advisory Board minutes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:06:07
Gareth Barry


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:07:30
Gareth Barry

What about him?  Business partner of Standing's, their combined families are entangled in a lot of different business.  Nothing dodgy about that, not that any digging has been done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:08:43
What about him?  Business partner of Standing's, their combined families are entangled in a lot of different business.  Nothing dodgy about that, not that any digging has been done.

You said Louie... little lad on loan from Villa under Garner. Unless he's under the Scooby Doo mask with all that Barca money of his...?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:09:01
As did the Advisory Board minutes.

It doesn't mention by actual name though, does it?  Again it matters not, really.  The Debentures existed, the public record had them at over 2m and previous ownership changes had made it clear that they were due to be repaid on the sale of the club, or any other significant asset trade.  Clem got lucky nobody asked for them in 2021.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:09:32
You said Louie... little lad on loan from Villa under Garner. Unless he's under the Scooby Doo mask with all that Barca money of his...?!

Yes - Standing's wife has an interest in a business set-up for Louie Barry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:10:11
Yes - Standing's wife has an interest in a business set-up for Louie Barry.

My head hurts... What's Bradley up to!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:12:51
As I remember it either/or Barry/Standing put £6m into STFC. What the terms were for getting a return in that are, surprise surprise, somewhat unclear. Cut off the profits on player sales but even that with players sold wouldn’t pay back the £6m.

Power said it was Barry’s money, Barry said it was Standing’s. Either way it was against FA rules. When Clem bought the club off Power for £212,500 obviously Standing/Barry wanted their original £6m back. He/they have to try and get it back directly from Power so no blow back for the club there.

The outcome of the trial will then give guidance to the FA as to what rules were broken and by whom.

The club’s defence is ‘I didn’t know anything as nobody told me what was going on’. Not sure how much credence the FA will give to that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:14:32
My head hurts... What's Bradley up to!?

Dunno, but that was all Agombar and Curran-esque too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:14:54
I’ve never heard that Louis Barry’s name has come up before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:18:59
Something is weird. When I read the Trust statement it definitely mentioned Power and Curran - now it doesn’t.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:19:53
Hard to believe that this shit goes back 10 years...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1675669[/nobbc]0/gareth-barry-fa-charge-swindon-deal/]https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/16756690/gareth-barry-fa-charge-swindon-deal/ ([nobbc)

IN THE DOCK Gareth Barry charged by FA over secret deal to buy stake in Swindon – and could be banned from working in football

EX-ENGLAND star Gareth Barry has been charged by the FA over an alleged secret deal to buy a half stake in Swindon Town.

The former Manchester City and Aston Villa hero could face a ban from working in football if the case goes against him.

Gareth Barry was with Everton at the time of his alleged attempt to invest in Swindon TownCredit: AP:Associated Press
Barry, 40, faced no action seven months ago when the League Two outfit, ex-chairman Lee Power and Barry’s agent Michael Standing were rapped by the FA.

But behind the scenes football’s ruling body have investigated claims made in court by Power that Barry stumped up £800,000 to buy into Swindon in 2013.

Barry has denied investing in Swindon or agreeing to a deal with Power.

At the time he was playing for Everton and such an investment would have breached FA club ownership rules.

The FA said in a statement: “It is alleged that Gareth Barry also breached Intermediary Regulations in relation to the ownership and/or funding of Swindon Town FC.

“Swindon Town FC, Lee Power, First Touch Pro Management, Michael Standing and Gareth Barry all have until Wednesday 1 December 2021 to respond."

Standing claimed Barry, while he was playing at Everton eight years ago, leant him the money to land a half-share in the Wiltshire outfit.

But Power insisted during a High Court wrangle with Standing that the money had come directly from Barry, whose 653 Premier League appearances is a record,

The hearing was also told a further £6m had been pumped into Swindon after the illicit deal, with Standing claiming to be owed a staggering £7.5m.

Former midfielder Standing - who joined Villa on the same day at Barry in 1998 -  and his company First Touch Pro Management were charged in April with breaching Intermediaries Reg E4, relating to  owning/seeking to own Swindon Town Football Club.

Power and Swindon were charged over FA Rule E1.2 and E9 (agreement to breach rules/regs) in having an agreement for Standing and First Touch to have an interest in Swindon (contrary to Intermediaries Reg - E4).

Those charges could see Standing and Power face bans and fines, while Swindon could be deducted points.

Now the FA have charged Barry over what they believe could be a conspiracy to hide the financial arrangements of the deal to get a 50 per cent stake in Robins.

Former Aston Villa, Manchester City, Everton and West Brom stalwart Barry announced his retirement as a player on August 27 last year.

Following his retirement Barry moved into punditry, working for the BBC and Sky Sports. But since the Swindon allegations he has been absent from screens and such is the seriousness of the charges he looks unlikely to be employed while the rap hangs over him.

The FA could hand Barry - who was capped 53 times by England and skippered his country against Ghana ten years ago - a ban which will ensure he does not work in football.

Former Norwich striker Power made the amazing claims about Barry in the High Court in May of last year.

A meeting was said to have been held at Barry’s house in March 2013. Power insisted Barry knew full well he would be breaking FA rules by buying a stake in Swindon.

The same applied to Standing, as he was a football agent, with both sure to fail the “fit and proper test”.

So they came up with an oral deal with the idea that Power “would sell his shares in the club in around five years’ time after he hoped to have turned around its fortunes and would share the profits arising from any increase in the value of Swindon with Barry, in exchange for Barry providing funds”.

Losses at the club would be funded 50-50 by Barry and Power and the pair would also share equally any profits on player sales.

Power also claimed Barry insisted on going to great lengths to keep his involvement secret.

“As part of his determination to keep it confidential, not only did Barry say that he wished to provide the funding through corporate vehicles, but because they were associated with him he did not want the funding to be provided directly to the club.

“Instead they requested the defendant [Power] provide the banking details for his personal account and the account of a company owned by him, Power Bloodstock Ltd, into which the funding payments could be made, and from which the defendant [Power] could transfer them to the club.”

Power is no longer at Swindon, having sold his shares to Australian businessman Clem Morfuni in July.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:23:12
Something is weird. When I read the Trust statement it definitely mentioned Power and Curran - now it doesn’t.

You sure you aren’t getting mixed up with advisory minutes? As I never seen names mentioned on Trust statement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 21:24:33
Maybe you’re right. Doing my head in!

Yep. Power and Curran mentioned as having called in the debenture in the AB


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 22:06:10
The debenture is a secured debt, a bit like the mortgage on your house.

It looks like what happened here is Power/Curran offered Black £1M for the £2.95M along the lines 'You ain't ever getting that money back or the club might go into admin'.

Black accepts the offer and Power/Curran enforce it because they know it's a secured debt and would legally get priority in admin. It could have been an insurance policy for them to make a quick £2M maybe when the court case was going against them.

It would be like your nice bank selling your mortgage debt to a loan shark. You think you have 25 years to repay it and the loan shark says I want the money next week or I repossess your house.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 00:08:38
Can someone who understands this stuff explain how you can buy £2.95m of debentures for £1m and then call the full amount in at zero notice?



What is likely to have happened is that Andrew Black + Business Partner had a £2.95m debenture that they were unlikely to ever get any money from, unless STFC got into the championship...

Then Power?/AC? offered them a smaller amount but guaranteed, which they accepted.  The terms of the Debenture have been triggered, it looks like by the sale of the club and this meant they could and did ask for repayment of the full amount.

Black could have got all his money back but would of had to put STFC into admin and even then it would be unlikely he would have got it all back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 05:32:27
For me there continue to be inconsistencies between previous statements and the AB/Trust statements, and what common sense would suggest a successful businessman would do. The AB minutes feels to me as if it's a revision of history to fit the narrative that Clem is our hero.

I hope the Trust are going to continue with this line of questioning


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 05:37:48
For some reason I have this going through my mind when reading this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YONj1MQl4Lg


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 05:44:48
Yes - Standing's wife has an interest in a business set-up for Louie Barry.
But Louie Barry has fuck all to do with anything.   Other than sharing a surname with Gareth they are not related in any way.

Are you sure you aren't getting confused with Louise Barry, Gareth's wife?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 06:01:00
yeah, the AB is explicit, the trust statement mentioned 'previous owner' when I read it

Quote
We now believe that the obligation to repay the debt had been triggered by the previous owners of the Club

Was as close as the statement got


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 06:38:57
yeah, the AB is explicit, the trust statement mentioned 'previous owner' when I read it

Was as close as the statement got

I know it's a small point, but why is there conjecture from the Trust when the AB notes make it explicit that it was the previous owners?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:15:43
I know it's a small point, but why is there conjecture from the Trust when the AB notes make it explicit that it was the previous owners?

I thought that was odd. If one was being a cynic you'd say that Clem knows he only has to chuck the Power/Curran names in there to get the 'he saved our club' frothers onside.

This whole charade is so depressing. Nothing will come of tonight. There will be no gotcha or smoking gun moment and we will just stumble on for the foreseeable future with this bullshit hanging over us.

I do think it will be good for fans to see the whites of Clem's eyes if he is forced to say that Michael Standing isn't involved again.

I also hope he is pulled up on the statement that the club put out on 17th August: "While most of the money has been repaid and the majority of the shares reclaimed a small minority shareholding remains to these two individuals. They have had no interest in running the club and want no influence over the club whatsoever."

Both of those sentences need unpacking.

One thing this last month has put to bed is the 'Clem is a good guy' narrative. What he did to Rob Angus was absolutely shameful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:22:54
This whole charade is so depressing. Nothing will come of tonight. There will be no gotcha or smoking gun moment and we will just stumble on for the foreseeable future with this bullshit hanging over us.


Honestly, I'd advise tuning out of it. Not a lot we can do and the more you fret (not you personally) the worse it makes you feel.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:26:54
Honestly, I'd advise tuning out of it. Not a lot we can do and the more you fret (not you personally) the worse it makes you feel.

Agreed. It is clear that Clem (or 'Clem') has no plans to ever come clean. At least the scales have fallen from the Trust's eyes at long last, which hopefully takes the burden of driving the Mystery Machine off the fans.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:30:40
How are we still losing that much money with our high gates, severe cost cutting and doing everything on the cheap? What’s the plan then for “sustainability”.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:35:59
How are we still losing that much money with our high gates, severe cost cutting and doing everything on the cheap? What’s the plan then for “sustainability”.

Not too sure but paying off Brand and Morris couldn’t have been cheap, also I know a significant amount has been spent on the CG this summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:39:18
How are we still losing that much money with our high gates, severe cost cutting and doing everything on the cheap? What’s the plan then for “sustainability”.

This is important. The reason we’re so uneasy about the cabal running the club (other than the inconsistencies in the story) is that the likes of Z Austin, Keily and Co are not here out of their love of football or the club. They are here for money (which would normally be fine, a lot of owners are the same - but if they are taking out a disproportionate amount for a club of our means, it is not right). The absence of an explanation of Austin’s role, and the fact that Michael Standing’s lawyer has a shareholding, may not be entirely disconnected from the disproportionate losses that the club seems to be making. We do not seem to be benefitting in any way from increased gates. Are those individuals the ones filling their pockets? My questions would be:

* what remuneration, direct or indirect, does Zavier Austin receive from STFC, or any company in the group, or in any way connected with his involvement at the club? (If the answer to this is nothing, then what on earth is Z Austin doing here?)

* the same for Keily. If his business is as a data provider, does he receive any cut of any future transfer fee for players he has recommended? (If yes, this somewhat undermines the model).

* if we are cutting costs, and increasing revenue, how are we losing 500k - 1m? Is it 500k or 1m? Those losses can’t be explained by increased utility bills…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:39:53
The problem Clem has now is that no matter what he says tonight or going forwards nothing he says can be believed, his credibility is dust.

He’s now a proven liar who can’t even lie consistently, associated with murky characters and likes to manipulate people/organisations to do his bidding for him. He’s now undoubtedly a dodgy owner following in the long term trend of dodgy owners being attracted to STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:40:52
Not too sure but paying off Brand and Morris couldn’t have been cheap, also I know a significant amount has been spent on the CG this summer.

I also imagine the model of the data approach was costly to the club too. Granted, they cut it very quickly and it was a bit of a cut your losses but would have still cost the club money. The approach this season (albeit a couple of signings short) is spot on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 07:42:21
How are we still losing that much money with our high gates, severe cost cutting and doing everything on the cheap? What’s the plan then for “sustainability”.

100% this.
Decent gates, loads of sponsorships and advertising.
Where is the money going?
Just like the Power era are we paying people for keeping quiet or return of investment.
I won't tune in because the lies boils my piss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:00:33
The money is most likely going players wages.
Thought that would be obvious.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:04:53
The money is most likely going players wages.
Thought that would be obvious.

How many of our players are “First Touch” clients? Flynn is I believe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:07:18
The money is most likely going players wages.
Thought that would be obvious.

That is IMHO very simplistic. Players wages are of course expenditure and a fixed cost. What appears to me anyway, to be ‘implied’ is financial ‘disbursements’ in ‘other’ directions. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

What is blindingly obvious and will come to fruition or otherwise is the critical need for a fucking whopping payday via the FA Cup from November onwards. Let us for a brief moment dream we storm the league and get promoted comfortably, gates wouldn’t exceed 11,000 home fans I feel, could be wrong but you know going on past glories.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:07:57
How many of our players are “First Touch” clients? Flynn is I believe.

First touch management - Standing’s agency right? I think Wakeling, Williams, Payne are. I can’t remember exactly and it’s hard to track down


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:08:20
I agree this stuff about the debentures is odd - I understand how the debt may have come to be owed to Power, but this would not have required much due diligence to find out, so I’m not sure why it’s a surprise.
I also recall reading a while ago that they hadn’t been “called in”, but that  the Eady Trust had insisted on them being dealt with before releasing the money to buy the ground.
Now we read that LP triggered the repayment at short notice - the story keeps changing, hence we are suspicious.

However, I disagree about the point that “with the gates we get we can’t be losing £0.5m a year unless someone is taking money out of the club” . I’ve tried to explain why below.
Without detailed information about current costs and income, it’s not easy, but from what we do know, I have made a couple of quick calculations -
Gate income - 23 home league games, average 8500 (approx) average ticket price £15 (an adult season ticket in the Arkells works out at slightly below that figure, my OAP ST in the Arkells is about £12.65 per game, kids cheaper, hence this is about right) comes to £2.93m, which, if you take off VAT comes to about £2.45m for the club. No home cup ties last season (apart from the Pizza cup, which will break even at best).
Players - 23 first team squad - average (say) £50k - some will cost more, other less. Assume National insurance and pension included here. We are probably also covering wages of Adeloye and Aguiar. This comes to £2.25m
There are 11 first team staff listed on the website - if you say some of these will be expensive (Flynn, Hatswell) while other on low wages,  the average cost will probably still be £30k to £35k - so say £350k.
So 1st team squad and staff basically cost around or a bit more than ticket income.
So this means that other income streams - EFL, TV money, sponsors, retail, food etc has to cover everything else - stadium running costs, pitch maintenance, rates, water, energy, travel to away games, insurance and medical fees, training ground costs etc, as well as the Academy and the women’s team.
If you add on the cost of getting Brand and then sacking him and Morris, and it’s not difficult for me to see that a loss of £500k could occur - without anyone “taking consultancy fees out of the club”.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:09:48
Though the last accounts showed a profit of c£150,000. How does that tally with losing £1m?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:10:15
The figure I saw quoted was closer to 1m than 500k which justifies more questions in my opinion, let me try and find it again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:16:50
Though the last accounts showed a profit of c£150,000. How does that tally with losing £1m?

I doubt that it comes to £1.15m, but that season we had the televised Port Vale play-off games as well as the FA Cup run, as well as the money-spinner against Man City. (not a clue how much these events brought in individually) And wasn't our wage budget severely constrained as we were under the embargo?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:17:06
First touch management - Standing’s agency right? I think Wakeling, Williams, Payne are. I can’t remember exactly and it’s hard to track down

That’s the one. Wakeling… interesting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:19:23
I doubt that it comes to £1.15m, but that season we had the televised Port Vale play-off games as well as the FA Cup run, as well as the money-spinner against Man City. (not a clue how much these events brought in individually) And wasn't our wage budget severely constrained as we were under the embargo?


Eh? What I meant was that if last year we showed a profit of £150,000 in the accounts how could we be said to be losing £1m every season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:21:26
That is IMHO very simplistic. Players wages are of course expenditure and a fixed cost.

They are not though really, one only has to listen to the growing plethora of players podcasts where they discuss contracts to hear that in the main they are full of incentivised clauses etc so play X games get a bonus, score a goal, get a bonus, keep a clean sheet, get a bonus etc etc. Similarly with all the transfers that are undisclosed there could be all manner of things relating to additional costs if said players plays so many games.

I agree this stuff about the debentures is odd - I understand how the debt may have come to be owed to Power, but this would not have required much due diligence to find out, so I’m not sure why it’s a surprise.
I also recall reading a while ago that they hadn’t been “called in”, but that  the Eady Trust had insisted on them being dealt with before releasing the money to buy the ground.
Now we read that LP triggered the repayment at short notice - the story keeps changing, hence we are suspicious.



WRT the due diligence issue I am wondering whether the opportunity to buy the club came up very quickly when Power (or more accurately perhaps Power's lawyer) fucked up with the pre-emption rights and Clem had to move very quickly and jumped without doing enough due diligence (to see this on a much larger scale see how Ashley fucked up when he took over Newcastle - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/aug/13/newcastleunited.premierleague ).

I've raised similar suspicions re the Eady Trust wanting them cleared, albeit I don't think I have ever seen any confirmation either way on that, like so much at the moment its conjecture at best.

Eh? What I meant was that if last year we showed a profit of £150,000 in the accounts how could we be said to be losing £1m every season

I don't think we have seen last years accounts let have we, most recent are those end May 2022.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:21:52
Eh? What I meant was that if last year we showed a profit of £150,000 in the accounts how could we be said to be losing £1m every season

I guess the suggestion is that there's a difference between the kind of "consistent costs/income" and "one offs" - things like the Man City game or the Twine sale that we can't rely on happening year after year. Without more detailed access to the finances or clearer answers, it's hard to know which one they mean.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:23:03
Ah, “at least £500k-£1M per year”. Either way, my point is more about the sustainability aspect they’re driving for, if we’re still losing that (caveats for Brand and Morris payouts aside) when we’re already cost cutting so harshly and bringing on as many sponsors as we are (although some seem to be in exchange for service) then what’s the plan to plug that loss? How much further can we go. If we were flying at the top of the league then attendances probably still wouldn’t top 11k. We definitely can’t be relying on a big cup tie each year to plug that.

This is where my knowledge on it isn’t perfect but to me it seems like if we’re still losing close to the higher end of that range yearly with the skeleton set up we have (including the squad imo, we’ve had a whole summer hearing about us missing out on signings for money) then it’s troubling slightly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:26:13
I guess the suggestion is that there's a difference between the kind of "consistent costs/income" and "one offs" - things like the Man City game or the Twine sale that we can't rely on happening year after year. Without more detailed access to the finances or clearer answers, it's hard to know which one they mean.
Well, yeah but last year was only the second year of his ownership. That’s hardly losing £1m every season. Whatever losses were racked up under Power is irrelevant. That statement of losses is predictive not actual (at the moment).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:27:46
when we’re already cost cutting so harshly

Are we cost cutting harshly, we've still got a squad of 20+ players several of whom one would suspect are not being paid monkey nuts, its clear they are trying to run as efficiently as they can, but I don't see a slashing of costs approach here?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:29:05
I've heard that the office staff has been cut dramatically


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:40:44
I've heard that the office staff has been cut dramatically

But is that a rationalisation of jobs as we had too many or just cutting it to the bone.

The most recent accounts 2021-22 suggest that the staff numbers went up between 2020-21 and 2021-2022 from 79-128, now now idea where these extra jobs were, may be hot dog sellers for all I know but suggests that in Clem's 1st year they employed a heck of a lot more than under Power?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:45:17
Worth re-reading this article again.

No mention of Power/Curran. Why not? There was no reason to obfuscate here. If the money was owed to them, say it surely and get the fans more onside?

The wording of the article implies to me that the debenture needed clearing to release the Eady money. The Trust should know if that is the case, shouldn't they, having been intricately involved in it for years?


https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/town-take-huge-step-towards-financial-security/

Swindon Town can today confirm that all historic debentures, or debts secured against the football club under previous regimes, have now been paid off.

The move signals a huge step towards complete financial security for the football club, with £2.95million cleared by our owner, Clem Morfuni, with the help of our dedicated fans, sponsors and partners.

It means the overall outstanding figure of historic debts owed is now down to £1million, having originally stood at £7.5million around fourteen months ago.


Clem took over at SN1 back in July last year with the club under a transfer embargo, struggling to pay staff and just nine contracted players on the books.

On completing his takeover, he inherited an external debt of £4.5million, comprising of money owed to HMRC, the EFL, the local council and several other outstanding arrears.

In addition to this, there was also the £2.95million ‘debenture’ that arose following the decision of former owner Andrew Black to sell Town back in 2012, with the money secured against the club, similar to a mortgage, for almost ten years - until today.

This significant step in laying strong foundations will take another huge step forward in the coming months as we look to purchase The County Ground from Swindon Borough Council with our supporters in a unique fifty-fifty ownership structure.

The deal will be funded by the Nigel Eady Trust Fund – a huge Town fan who left a significant legacy when he sadly passed for the benefit of the football club, it’s fans and the local community.

Commenting on the latest milestone, Clem said: “I’m pleased to confirm that the historic debentures against the football club have now been satisfied.

“An incredible amount of work has gone on behind the scenes to get to this stage, and this signifies a really positive step for the future of Swindon Town.

“I would also like to pay tribute to our fans, sponsors and partners who have also paid a huge part in driving us towards this landmark achievement.

“Your support over the past 14-months, both on the pitch and off it, has been fantastic, and I feel we’ve all helped lay the strong foundations we need to take our great club forward.

“With our plans to purchase our stadium alongside our supporters progressing well, the future of this great club is looking very bright.”

Town’s Chief Executive, Rob Angus, added: “Thanks to Clem and the backing of our fans, sponsors and partners, the core of this football club is the strongest it’s been for generations.

“These foundations are essential if we are to continue building to ensure continued success moving forward, and that is exactly what we are doing under Clem’s ownership.

“I’ve no doubt exciting times lie ahead for Swindon Town with our fans by our side. A huge thank you for all your support.”

A spokesperson for The Nigel Eady Trust Fund, said: “Our trustees are delighted to hear of the progress Clem and everyone behind the scenes at the club has made in moving the club to a much more stable financial position.

“We are now significantly closer towards Nigel’s legacy being used in the way he would have wished, which is fantastic.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:46:34
Everything I have heard about the behind the scenes of the club at some point mentions how cheaply it is being done. Granted this is from “mates down the pub” chat and “I’ve heard this from X” so take with some pinch of salt and not as gospel but I’ve heard it enough times from different people who quote different sources to think there’s some truth there.

Could be a “focus all budget into the playing squad and keep everything else running on the minimum it can be” approach though
Eww keep calling it Twitter


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:47:50
Eww keep calling it Twitter

Sorry I meant “I’ve heard this from so and so” rather than “I’ve heard this from Twitter”  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:48:41
But is that a rationalisation of jobs as we had too many or just cutting it to the bone.

The most recent accounts 2021-22 suggest that the staff numbers went up between 2020-21 and 2021-2022 from 79-128, now now idea where these extra jobs were, may be hot dog sellers for all I know but suggests that in Clem's 1st year they employed a heck of a lot more than under Power?
That's also fair. I don't think my rumour mill comment particularly helped what's trying to be a reasoned break down of events.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:49:02
Sorry I meant “I’ve heard this from so and so” rather than “I’ve heard this from Twitter”  :D
I know, was being a funny fucker ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:53:12
Worth re-reading this article again.

No mention of Power/Curran. Why not? There was no reason to obfuscate here. If the money was owed to them, say it surely and get the fans more onside?

The wording of the article implies to me that the debenture needed clearing to release the Eady money. The Trust should know if that is the case, shouldn't they, having been intricately involved in it for years?


https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/town-take-huge-step-towards-financial-security/
As I understand it if the debenture wasn't cleared prior the asset coming under the clubs control, the asset (half of the CG) could have been claimed by LP and AC.

It's annoying that the language isn't consistent but I think this is what they're alluding to


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:00:05
As I understand it if the debenture wasn't cleared prior the asset coming under the clubs control, the asset (half of the CG) could have been claimed by LP and AC.

It's annoying that the language isn't consistent but I think this is what they're alluding to

Totally but the same would be true if it was Andrew Black. He's mentioned, so why not Power/Curran if that's where the money went?

And the conjecture is, this wasn't a three day fire drill as Clem says. This was seemingly a known condition of the Ground purchase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:04:36
Well, yeah but last year was only the second year of his ownership. That’s hardly losing £1m every season. Whatever losses were racked up under Power is irrelevant. That statement of losses is predictive not actual (at the moment).

I guess the suggestion is that there's a difference between the kind of "consistent costs/income" and "one offs" - things like the Man City game or the Twine sale that we can't rely on happening year after year. Without more detailed access to the finances or clearer answers, it's hard to know which one they mean.

Yeah what Nemo posted was along my line of thinking. If you remove those things I mentioned - along with Twine money income - and the possible much lower wage budget because of the embargo that system then we would have probably lost circa £500k-£1m. Obviously this is still predictive as we don't know what last season's profit/loss was yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:05:09
I've heard that the office staff has been cut dramatically

The fax machine operator for one. :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:09:44
Totally but the same would be true if it was Andrew Black. He's mentioned, so why not Power/Curran if that's where the money went?

And the conjecture is, this wasn't a three day fire drill as Clem says. This was seemingly a known condition of the Ground purchase.
AB response suggests Clem:
- wasn't correctly informed of the debenture
- was told they wouldn't be cashed in "any time soon"

Clem was an investor in the club so at this point and was presumably sending in an accountant to look at the books before finalising buying the club and associated debt.
I'm not sure I'd be so trusting of Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:13:46
AB response suggests Clem:
- wasn't correctly informed of the debenture
- was told they wouldn't be cashed in "any time soon"

Clem was an investor in the club so at this point and was presumably sending in an accountant to look at the books before finalising buying the club and associated debt.
I'm not sure I'd be so trusting of Power

As per my post earlier, I suspect the simple (and less salacious) answer is that  Clem took over at short notice with a short window to get it done, its obvious that the due diligence was either lacking or completely absent, and if he had asked to see the books in detail the window would have shut.

The underlying in all this is the extent to which wealthy people often seem prepared to take a flyer on things with little security, see also Standing and Power and I suggest why Kiely asked for security when he loaned cash to Clem (not saying that Clem would necessarily be dodgy, but seeing the chaos between Standing and Power would no doubt have focussed his mind). 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:16:13
AB response suggests Clem:
- wasn't correctly informed of the debenture
- was told they wouldn't be cashed in "any time soon"

Clem was an investor in the club so at this point and was presumably sending in an accountant to look at the books before finalising buying the club and associated debt.
I'm not sure I'd be so trusting of Power

Then I would ask what the reasoning was for the article I posted, spinning this as straight good news?

Why not explain exactly what happened and how it is for the good of the club? And that the debenture was owned by Power/Curran. They've named Andrew Black. Why not name them?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:18:19
As per my post earlier, I suspect the simple (and less salacious) answer is that  Clem took over at short notice with a short window to get it done, its obvious that the due diligence was either lacking or completely absent, and if he had asked to see the books in detail the window would have shut.

The underlying in all this is the extent to which wealthy people often seem prepared to take a flyer on things with little security, see also Standing and Power and I suggest why Kiely asked for security when he loaned cash to Clem (not saying that Clem would necessarily be dodgy, but seeing the chaos between Standing and Power would no doubt have focussed his mind). 

Wasn't Clem/Axis initially bought in by Power with the stadium redevelopment in mind? He was in the building for several years before this. He didn't come in on the last train before the takeover. When he initially invested he should have been aware of this debenture.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:19:54
Then I would ask what the reasoning was for the article I posted, spinning this as straight good news?

Why not explain exactly what happened and how it is for the good of the club? And that the debenture was owned by Power/Curran. They've named Andrew Black. Why not name them?

I hate to break it to you, but businesses often spin stories to be positive...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:20:56
I'm not sure I'd be so trusting of Power


Clem climbed into bed with him in the first place, got burned trying to get what was promised to him and still went ahead with more than a touch of naivety? Surely a successful businessman can't be that green?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:21:56
I hate to break it to you, but businesses often spin stories to be positive...

Sure, even #OpenAndTransparent ones.

But would paying Power/Curran off not be seen as a positive? Why not stick them in there.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:24:27
As per my post earlier, I suspect the simple (and less salacious) answer is that  Clem took over at short notice with a short window to get it done, its obvious that the due diligence was either lacking or completely absent, and if he had asked to see the books in detail the window would have shut.

The underlying in all this is the extent to which wealthy people often seem prepared to take a flyer on things with little security, see also Standing and Power and I suggest why Kiely asked for security when he loaned cash to Clem (not saying that Clem would necessarily be dodgy, but seeing the chaos between Standing and Power would no doubt have focussed his mind).  
Clem took over sept 21, the debentures were called in "in and around September 2022".
From a bit of googling it appears debentures are meant to appear on CH under charges.

Things could be the less salacious variety, but they don't point towards good business practice IMO


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:34:35
Wasn't Clem/Axis initially bought in by Power with the stadium redevelopment in mind? He was in the building for several years before this. He didn't come in on the last train before the takeover. When he initially invested he should have been aware of this debenture.
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15392479.swindon-town-to-explore-county-ground-development-after-arrival-of-non-executive-vice-chairman-clem-morfuni/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:37:49
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15392479.swindon-town-to-explore-county-ground-development-after-arrival-of-non-executive-vice-chairman-clem-morfuni/

There you go. 2017.

"Clem had three days to find the money." Doesn't sit right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:42:00
The money is most likely going players wages.
Thought that would be obvious.

Yep that's understandable wages is going to be high, more how can we have made a profit albeit small to now ne losing between £500-£1m a year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 09:54:16
Yep that's understandable wages is going to be high, more how can we have made a profit albeit small to now ne losing between £500-£1m a year.
I think the implication is the year we made £150,000 was down to one-off events like the Man City receipts.

Of course, things like the income from McKirdy, Lindsey, Gladwin, Wakeling plus other bits and bobs should also be offsetting the predictive loss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:04:08
Whatever the club/Clem paid towards the debenture would affect that too though, wouldn’t it?

So if we were expecting a £500K profit for that financial year, but Clem has used £1m towards the debenture, you could see why we’d make a loss.

Or am I wrong?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:11:15
Only if the debenture money was paid through the club, which the suggestion is that it was not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:37:29
I note that the TSTBL are moaning that some fans are already 'moaning' ahead of tonight's phone-in. From a bit of digging and personally, I haven't come across much moaning. Mainly people just being forensic with what was stated in previous statements Vs what the latest statements say. Doesn't bode well ahead of them fielding questions tonight if they've already categorised being forensic as 'moaning'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: @MacPhlea on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:37:50
Can we try to look at this from a different angle - can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Clem hadn't taken over?

I personally think we'd be without a club or at best in the National League


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:44:40
Can we try to look at this from a different angle - can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Clem hadn't taken over?


Can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Jed hadn't taken over?

Can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Power hadn't taken over?

We will never know is the short answer. Some people on here have said they'd have preferred to go full phoenix club to clear the decks which I understand, even if I don't agree with it.

I think some people are just tired of murky ownership and chucking their money behind false promises after a decade of this.

That said, it is possible to say I'm glad Clem took on the club when he did but I'm appalled at the way he has run it since.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:50:17
Can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Jed hadn't taken over?

Can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Power hadn't taken over?

We will never know is the short answer. Some people on here have said they'd have preferred to go full phoenix club to clear the decks which I understand, even if I don't agree with it.

I think some people are just tired of murky ownership and chucking their money behind false promises after a decade of this.

That said, it is possible to say I'm glad Clem took on the club when he did but I'm appalled at the way he has run it since.

So what is the ideal (and realistic) way to move forward then?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 10:51:18
Can we try to look at this from a different angle - can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Clem hadn't taken over?

I personally think we'd be without a club or at best in the National League
Absolutely. Clem got the club relatively cheap through the pre-emption rights but has had to put in more cash than he anticipated to clear HMRC and now pay off the debenture.

Curran and Power (if they held the debenture) may have timed calling it in October 2023 to wait until Clem had sunk most of his available cash into the club and might struggle to pay it back.

If the club had gone into admin then, Clem loses £4-5M and Curran/Power might have used that situation to regain the club?. Who knows but Clem found the cash but the share deal was the trade off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:02:08
So what is the ideal (and realistic) way to move forward then?

Realistically it is what it is.

Step 1: Clem does a Japanese-style performative mea culpa for Vic tonight.

Step 2: There are positive signs this is happening already but The Trust complete the removal of their tongues from Clem/Zav's arseholes, strap their bollocks back on and move back to neutral position, possibly reshuffling some personnel.

Step 3: Reform the AB process to keep it to top level matters.

Step 4: New CEO or chosen club representative gets out there on the airwaves. We don't need a Steve Anderson.

Step 5: We all move forward in the knowledge that Clem isn't to be trusted.

Step 6: Support the manager and the team at all times, as always.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YHkZg6LInY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YHkZg6LInY)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:03:58
Can we try to look at this from a different angle - can we debate what kind of shithole would this club be in if Clem hadn't taken over?

I personally think we'd be without a club or at best in the National League

People are allowed to be thankful for Clem purchasing us when he did and for the funds he has injected via loans since, but also be allowed to scrutinise where they see fit. It shouldn't prevent them from doing so just because we may have been worse off without his intervention in Summer 2021.

I personally am thankful, but now find the Boris Johnson levels of truth shifting very troubling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:29:12
So many questions… - why does he feel the need to give half truths? Does he understand the impact that now has on his relationship with the fans, and the whole narrative? Repaid shares/no intention to repay. Austin is executive chair/now a matchday guest. The saviour narrative v raised funds by giving shares to the same lawyer who presumably failed to spot the terms and value of a debenture… the list goes on.

Just remove the feeling that most fans have that we’re being flounced by Zavier Austin and Co.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:34:59
But Louie Barry has fuck all to do with anything.   Other than sharing a surname with Gareth they are not related in any way.

Are you sure you aren't getting confused with Louise Barry, Gareth's wife?

Actually, the confusion was my memory of my dig around.  It was Louie Barry having a company set-up with Drury who is a Director of First Touch which was the agency owned by Standing that represented Gareth Barry.  Between the Barry's, Standings and Drury's, there are lots of company Directorships shared.  So ignore the Louie bit I suppose, but the point was more that Standing and Barry have a lot of business linked directly and indirectly together.  Again, which means fuck all really, other than supporting some of what Power was saying being likely, in the legal case and possibly our prior ownership set-up and who may have been owed money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:49:57
But Louie Barry has fuck all to do with anything.   Other than sharing a surname with Gareth they are not related in any way.

Are you sure you aren't getting confused with Louise Barry, Gareth's wife?

Could have sworn it was his nephew? Heard that all the time when he was here. Unless there was another Barry I'm thinking of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:53:54
Could have sworn it was his nephew? Heard that all the time when he was here. Unless there was another Barry I'm thinking of.

That was Bradley, the rubbish Williams-era right back. Louie is the more recent winger.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:55:35
Too many people called Barry...

(https://www.themoviedb.org/t/p/w500/zm1Or9OlnpIYuCeSkYl97CJ5uxe.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 11:56:44
So what is the ideal (and realistic) way to move forward then?

Good question and one with an answer that I have already proposed - the Trust should be working on Clem's exit strategy for him on our behalf.  They should now be working on an investment proposal to buy the club from Clem over the next couple of years, which would also allow them to be ready and prepared if he does run out of willing shmucks to fund things he forgot about or can't see clearly in the Accounts.  That should involve a combination of fans efforts, but also external investors, which should now be much easier (not easy, easier) given the football club owns an asset of value which it got for free.  Clem will have done a decent enough job of steadying the ship and his debt is Directors loans with no terms, so a deal could be struck to pay that back over a number of years as part of any takeover.  The ground development is the carrot that can be dangled for those investors.

It's time to just accept our current ownership is not what it wanted to portray.  There is no other way of cutting it.  They can only be either incompetent or full of BS.

You mentioned how rich people make glib decisions, but Clem was in the building for long enough and with shares, to have discovered it was not a financial melting pot.  The Debentures were on public record and some of the terms were detailed in local press - because Black tried to get Power to pay it when he wrestled control from Jed.  Power cut some sort of deal that pushed that back top the next sale of the business.  The security was always the assets of the football club, the ground was always going to be a significant moment.  The fact is Clem got a little lucky in that nobody called it in when the club was sold to him.

Time to take what we get on the pitch and work on tomorrow, before it arrives and we have to be grateful of the next saviour.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:05:36
Whatever the club/Clem paid towards the debenture would affect that too though, wouldn’t it?

So if we were expecting a £500K profit for that financial year, but Clem has used £1m towards the debenture, you could see why we’d make a loss.

Or am I wrong?

Yes, and no.  The payment of the debt was made by the parent company, not STFC.  We don't actually know how the transaction was completed - was it a loan to the business, with security or was it a share purchase plus a loan, or just a share purchase?  It's not completely clear to me, although I suspect the middle one is the most likely one.  If the shares were security, pure security, you'd not transfer them, you'd simply record the secured assets in the company Accounts and list it as a secured debt and who to.  To have actually given shares away means a transfer of shares must have occurred, in which case it was an asset purchase and the money would be listed as share equity.  The numbers quoted seem a bit all over the shop, which is what makes me wonder if there was some sort of combo deal here - some shares for equity and some security for a loan.

How they then funnel that to the club is a question for Clem, and we may see in two years when the Accounts are produced.  I presume a connected company loan of money, which may or may not come with it's own security - maybe against the ground, or future profits, or who knows.  A clear and transparent owner would detail that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:26:06
Good question and one with an answer that I have already proposed - the Trust should be working on Clem's exit strategy for him on our behalf.  They should now be working on an investment proposal to buy the club from Clem over the next couple of years, which would also allow them to be ready and prepared if he does run out of willing shmucks to fund things he forgot about or can't see clearly in the Accounts.  That should involve a combination of fans efforts, but also external investors, which should now be much easier (not easy, easier) given the football club owns an asset of value which it got for free.  Clem will have done a decent enough job of steadying the ship and his debt is Directors loans with no terms, so a deal could be struck to pay that back over a number of years as part of any takeover.  The ground development is the carrot that can be dangled for those investors.


I think its a lovely idea, but I really can't see how it practically works.

If the AB minutes are correct Clem is in for c.6M (not sure if that includes the c.£250k that he paid for the place, now one would assume that he is going to want that back, plus maybe a return of some sort, plus what the 50% of the ground is worth to the club, which I assume will depend broadly on what BAV has been ascribed to it by the bean counters.

It also assumes that Clem will be happy to be paid back over a prolonged period, which rather contradicts the often suggested conjecture on here that he is short of cash, so there is every possibility that he would want the money up front, especially if he isn't an entirely willing vendor.

So I dunno somewhere in the region of £6-9m being needed. Fans are barely going to scratch the surface on that (setting aside that for a lot of them the Trust have become part of the problem rather than a solution, so not sure if they will put hands in pockets if Trust are involved anyway) so we are looking at investors.

The development is an opportunity without doubt, but for credible investors you are competing in a field where there are plenty of schemes out there looking for money, many of which will be much simpler (clear sites, existing consents, easier planning, no neighbours - due to interest rates at the moment there are loads of such sites coming to market as developers find themselves being clobbered by commercial rates that many of them are entirely not used to) with better rates of return considering that the club will be looking for the development to provide a decent return to them as well to provide the mythical 24/7/365 income we have always lacked.

Plus they don't come with the additional hassle of a football club and a big group of people who are going to analyse everything you say, review your financial returns to death and air in public, at great length, anything they consider negative.

And if we drop down to the lower tier of 'investors' looking to make a buck we endanger getting into bed with some similar to whom the club have flirted with previously, considering the time and energy being expelled in cross checking every utterance that comes out of Clem's mouth, I'm not sure a large proportion of our fan bases blood pressure could take it.

To reiterate, fantastic and lovely idea to think about, but Christ it would need a lot of things to fall into place to happen. Not doubting investors could be found, but would they be the sort of investor who was acceptable to the fanbase?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:26:34
The 50 + 1 ownership rule (see Bundesliga) makes eminent sense, which makes it unlikely that it would ever be implemented over here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:32:47
The 50 + 1 ownership rule (see Bundesliga) makes eminent sense, which makes it unlikely that it would ever be implemented over here.

I think the problem is that the horse bolted years ago on that, too many owners are too deep into clubs to make it financially viable for them to be removed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:50:37
The effort required to make it work is precisely why I suggest they just revert to focusing entirely on that - let the couple of people tasked with being on the JV work on the ground.  All other Trust efforts become focused on a way to buy the club with a degree of fan involvement.  I don't even mean 50% - the fact the fans have 50% of the ground is already a way of protecting it to a degree, alongside a signed long lease (which sort of rules out people who'd be interested in using the club as a Trojan Horse from some other development opportunities).

I didn't say it would be easy, just a worthy goal.

You don't have to pay off the debt to Clem - right now he is getting none of it back.  You can structure a deal that pays that back through normal operations, so you would need to buy out his share value, which now includes the ground and lease.  Still a not insignificant amount - so here is the rub, if Clem wants to continue pretending to be in this for the club - start pegging him down now on what that exit deal needs to look like, in public.  Clearly he won't negotiate fully in public, but you can at least begin to tease what it may take out of him.  Then, work on an offer.

I am sure the fans buying the ground was a tough deal, possibly too much to think was possible, yet it was achieved.  There are ways, they may take a while, but ways nonetheless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:52:31
Eh? What I meant was that if last year we showed a profit of £150,000 in the accounts how could we be said to be losing £1m every season

Especially when they were on record as saying the Man City game was worth £250k to £300k to us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:56:05
But is that a rationalisation of jobs as we had too many or just cutting it to the bone.

The most recent accounts 2021-22 suggest that the staff numbers went up between 2020-21 and 2021-2022 from 79-128, now now idea where these extra jobs were, may be hot dog sellers for all I know but suggests that in Clem's 1st year they employed a heck of a lot more than under Power?

Staff seemingly going down but accounts say they're going up is a huge red flag for being fleeced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 12:58:46
Staff seemingly going down but accounts say they're going up is a huge red flag for being fleeced.

The staff numbers are a red herring - it includes any paid individuals, such as matchday staff.  The previous year was impacted by Covid, so the average hourly paid staff at match days was zero at times.

edit, plus they took concessions in house, so while the operating costs and staff numbers would have gone up, they replaced a single line item of costs in previous years.  You would suspect they did this as they expected better net margins, so the additional staff and costs would not be a BAD thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:01:41
I note that the TSTBL are moaning that some fans are already 'moaning' ahead of tonight's phone-in. From a bit of digging and personally, I haven't come across much moaning. Mainly people just being forensic with what was stated in previous statements Vs what the latest statements say. Doesn't bode well ahead of them fielding questions tonight if they've already categorised being forensic as 'moaning'.

Don't look at the facebook group.

Clem is our lord and saviour and anyone who questions him is a dirty little liar and not a true supporter.

Fucking mongrels who thought Lee Power was a thoroughly good bloke too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:03:47
And if anyone from the Trust is reading and really does care about holding the club to account, especially when being shown the Accounts in a darkened room under threat of being taken hostage, just show the club this:

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/club/finances/annual-audited-financial-statements/

I call BS on their response to you that such detailed info cannot be shared.  It's all a question of choice.  Put up or shut the fuck up about being open.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:08:09
Would the sale of the club + Clem’s 50% share of the CG be attractive enough to any prospective new owner? I’d imagine most people would want 100% of everything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:13:04
Would the sale of the club + Clem’s 50% share of the CG be attractive enough to any prospective new owner? I’d imagine most people would want 100% of everything.

Which is why it would take a few years, not weeks.

One thing is for certain, football clubs always attract owners.  Not always good ones, but there are enough people out there with money to burn and an ego to fill.  The trick here would be having some sort of investment and control - even minimal.  Hell, we've been handed over four times and we didn't even have a llong term lease on the ground let alone ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:14:23
Staff seemingly going down but accounts say they're going up is a huge red flag for being fleeced.

Indeed, albeit seemingly is doing a fair bit of lifting there.

The staff numbers are a red herring - it includes any paid individuals, such as matchday staff.  The previous year was impacted by Covid, so the average hourly paid staff at match days was zero at times.

edit, plus they took concessions in house, so while the operating costs and staff numbers would have gone up, they replaced a single line item of costs in previous years.  You would suspect they did this as they expected better net margins, so the additional staff and costs would not be a BAD thing.

They are, but its one of the easier comparables, accepted as in my earlier post they could be casuals flogging hot dogs for all we know however, for completeness

Year to May 2022 128
Year to May 2021 79
Year to May 2020 99
Year to May 2019 130
Year to May 2018 123

For those who have looked at things n more detail, who was compiling the accounts in the Power days, Clem seems to use an external company in Swindon (which surprised me). I see Seebeck continue their path to dissolution.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:17:15
That was Bradley, the rubbish Williams-era right back. Louie is the more recent winger.

Ah yes. Not surprised I had them confused, my player knowledge under Power era is thin as I wasn't going and thoroughly fucked off with it all speaking to absolute divs on Facebook who thought Power was our lord and savour just the same as they do Clem.

How well we're doing on the pitch is stopping me from going in the same direction now to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:25:25
Payment of a creditor on the Balance Sheet/Capital Account doesn't hit the P&L.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:29:01
Which is why it would take a few years, not weeks.

One thing is for certain, football clubs always attract owners.  Not always good ones, but there are enough people out there with money to burn and an ego to fill.  The trick here would be having some sort of investment and control - even minimal.  Hell, we've been handed over four times and we didn't even have a llong term lease on the ground let alone ownership.

Unfortunately over those 4 changes of ownership we've never managed to combine money and ego in one person. 3 haven't had a post to piss in whilst there seemed little to no plan whilst Black was in the seat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:41:22
Wonder why Clem didn’t offer Black more than Power’s £1m seeing as he had to eventually pay the whole shabang.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:44:07
Wonder why Clem didn’t offer Black more than Power’s £1m seeing as he had to eventually pay the whole shabang.

Clem didn’t own the club when Power bought them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:47:41
Wouldn’t have thought owning the club would be a requisite for buying the debenture off Black. Couldn’t he have sold them to anyone he wanted to?

Not that I know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:47:58
The effort required to make it work is precisely why I suggest they just revert to focusing entirely on that - let the couple of people tasked with being on the JV work on the ground.  All other Trust efforts become focused on a way to buy the club with a degree of fan involvement.  I don't even mean 50% - the fact the fans have 50% of the ground is already a way of protecting it to a degree, alongside a signed long lease (which sort of rules out people who'd be interested in using the club as a Trojan Horse from some other development opportunities).

I didn't say it would be easy, just a worthy goal.

You don't have to pay off the debt to Clem - right now he is getting none of it back.  You can structure a deal that pays that back through normal operations, so you would need to buy out his share value, which now includes the ground and lease.  Still a not insignificant amount - so here is the rub, if Clem wants to continue pretending to be in this for the club - start pegging him down now on what that exit deal needs to look like, in public.  Clearly he won't negotiate fully in public, but you can at least begin to tease what it may take out of him.  Then, work on an offer.

I am sure the fans buying the ground was a tough deal, possibly too much to think was possible, yet it was achieved.  There are ways, they may take a while, but ways nonetheless.

Even if owning the club or even the controlling share is unrealistic. Can we do 10% or what is eventually needed to buy the club? That would at least get us a seat at the table for full transparency. It definitely needs looking at.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:48:26
Wouldn’t have thought owning the club would be a requisite for buying the debenture off Black. Couldn’t he have sold them to anyone he wanted to?

Not that I know.

But why would Clem want to buy them before he owned the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:49:47
The staff numbers are a red herring - it includes any paid individuals, such as matchday staff.  The previous year was impacted by Covid, so the average hourly paid staff at match days was zero at times.

edit, plus they took concessions in house, so while the operating costs and staff numbers would have gone up, they replaced a single line item of costs in previous years.  You would suspect they did this as they expected better net margins, so the additional staff and costs would not be a BAD thing.

Ah gotcha. The catering was leased out wasn't it so yeah bound to be a big increase taking that back in house.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:50:44
Clem didn’t own the club when Power bought them.

Does anyone actually know when Power bought them? Do they hark all the way back to the heady days of St Modwens?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:51:58
Does anyone actually know when Power bought them? Do they hark all the way back to the heady days of St Modwens?

I always thought Power bought them during the Wellens/Sheridan season, or around that time anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 13:53:10
there seemed little to no plan whilst Black was in the seat.

The biggest oversight by our fanbase. We were all just too happy to enjoy the ride.

Even that regime did fuck all with the ground or put anything really long lasting in place to help the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 14:01:34
Does anyone actually know when Power bought them? Do they hark all the way back to the heady days of St Modwens?

The Debentures were all created at the time of ownership transfer to Jed/Power in 2012 - edit: two were, two others were created at the end of 2011, which was when they started getting antsy if IIRC.

They were never changed until satisfied - which is why the whole 'ownership" question is murky at best.  There were three for Arbib and one for Black.

Previous Debentures were listed as Shaw Park Developments, these were satisfied under the Black ownership period.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 14:22:35
Oh, and I haven't done enough analysis, but it does look like Pre-Emption Rights were added to the Memorandum and Articles of Association at the time Swinton Reds re-allocated shares (diluted the value of shares, then transferred a volume to three parties - the two named individuals plus Axis Football Investments, which is Clem's investment firm for the club and how he routes some of the funds)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 15:19:00
So   ..... what do we actually know as fact?
debenture owners on settlement?
cost of running the club?
Flynn's favourite cheese?
anything else?
Anyone reading this thread from the Adver should be finding out, contact Kiely, Parladorio, Black, Arbib,
Morfuni.
 Is their journalistic talent limited to reviewing meat pies and curry restaurants? I guess so.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 15:20:41
So   ..... what do we actually know as fact?
debenture owners on settlement?
cost of running the club?
Flynn's favourite cheese?
anything else?
Anyone reading this thread from the Adver should be finding out, contact Kiely, Parladorio, Black, Arbib,
Morfuni.
 Is their journalistic talent limited to reviewing meat pies and curry restaurants? I guess so.



In their defence I suspect its more down to lack of budget than lack of talent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 17:18:55
Is Vic just taking questions out of the online comments tonight?

Not exactly clear how this is going to work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 17:41:36
Good old Lee Power and the debenture, I suddenly remembered this from the court case back in 2021.

Quote
Lee Power maintains that Barry was never entitled to a 50% share of the club and only to half of the profits of a sale or other business. This arrangement would have given Standing (or Barry according to Power) half of the sell-on clause when former Swindon player Matt Ritchie moved from Bournemouth to Newcastle in 2016. That would be half of the £1.75 million received. Lee explained that since Ritchie was sold by a previous owner of Swindon, that money was owed as part of a debenture to Andrew Black (that owner). Standing accepted that......but then three years later he found out that Black had never received any of that money. The full £1.75 million stayed with Swindon/Power. That one is really astounding and the judge is very clear about what he thinks happened. He says “the strong suspicion is that those monies were paid to Mr Power, not the club”.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 18:08:13
Is Vic just taking questions out of the online comments tonight?

Not exactly clear how this is going to work.

Disastrously I'd imagine.

I don't think they can win though, since pre -taken questions would be met with "it's being filtered" accusations.

But it's hard to articulate a question and follow ups live from Facebook comments


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 18:11:26
And if anyone from the Trust is reading and really does care about holding the club to account, especially when being shown the Accounts in a darkened room under threat of being taken hostage, just show the club this:

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/club/finances/annual-audited-financial-statements/

I call BS on their response to you that such detailed info cannot be shared.  It's all a question of choice.  Put up or shut the fuck up about being open.

Wow, the pdf is amazing! Just so you know, if I ever become mega wealthy, and fancy STFC ownership, there is no way I will giving that level of detail!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 18:51:01
Wow, the pdf is amazing! Just so you know, if I ever become mega wealthy, and fancy STFC ownership, there is no way I will giving that level of detail!

Exactly. The mantra of my reign of terror will be "Closed and Opaque".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:26:59
We need Andrew Neil here. This is going to be a mess. Clem running it already.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:34:02
He’s definitely pissed off and on the defensive isn’t he.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:37:24
He's definitely pissed off and not the warm smiling Clem we're used to!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:43:38
He's flat out rejected Standing/Barry is in any way involved.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:44:15
I quite like angry Clem.
The swearing is brilliant.  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:45:08
In today's world it is quite fun and refreshing seeing someone with zero media training effing and jeffing his way through a meeting.

Ask the Hart/Zav question please Vic!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:45:27
In today's world it is quite fun and refreshing seeing someone with zero media training effing and jeffing his way through a meeting.

Ask the Hart/Zav question please Vic!

It’s brilliant.  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:52:24
Morris and Brand still getting paid until October/Nov (can't remember which!). Sandro paid off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:52:35
You get the feeling if the wrong question is asked he could explode😀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:54:41
Seebeck accounts signed off last night (oversight)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:55:57
He does look uncomfortable answering. I still think he’s winging it. Surely he knows whether Angus signed a NDA or not.

‘Place leaks like a sieve’ - liked that one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:58:08
Claiming he basically gifted fans 50% of the club was a bit cuntish mind, as others have picked up on Twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:58:29
If Clem is genuinely this laissez-faire, I struggle to see how he's ever run a successful business.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:58:54
Has it all gone a bit Gillian Keegan?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:59:52
Court case over Lee Powers missing car in Switzerland 🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 19:59:57
If Clem is genuinely this laissez-faire, I struggle to see how he's ever run a successful business.


I think that’s the point/problem. He doesn’t.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:01:52
Chris Kiely shares being paid off in the 'next couple of weeks'... followed by some caveat about the January window.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:03:38
I think it’s very obvious that he still feels like he shouldn’t be questioned because ‘he’s saved the club’ and he isn’t enjoying the fact he’s getting it in the neck.

However - as amusing as I’ve actually found this, with the swearing etc, for someone who owns the club the amount of times he says ‘he doesn’t know, I will have to check’ etc is alarming.

As Aud said, he comes across as someone that’s winging it, the answers are out of his mouth before the question has been finished and they’re whatever suits the narrative at that time.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:04:00
I wonder who the "two people at Swindon" are who he asked for the money to clear the debenture?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:04:55
I guarantee he’s saying things now that will be contradicted in the future.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:05:47
I guarantee he’s saying things now that will be contradicted in the future.

Oh, the bookies have already paid out on that.

You don't machine gun answers from the hip like this without setting traps for yourself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:06:28
He's having to apologise too much!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:07:25
Oh, the bookies have already paid out on that.

You don't machine gun answers from the hip like this without setting traps for yourself.

I think this is half of his issue, he’s so desperate to get the fans off his back he’s just saying what he thinks we want to hear.

I really don’t think he’s ‘dodgy’ as such, but he just isn’t thinking - he’s on the defensive and he’s setting himself up for more shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:08:19
I think this needs to end now. For everyone's sake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:09:11
However - as amusing as I’ve actually found this, with the swearing etc, for someone who owns the club the amount of times he says ‘he doesn’t know, I will have to check’ etc is alarming.
I honestly don’t think he does actually know what’s going on. It sounds like someone who has little to no knowledge or interest in the nitty gritty of running a football club. What we need to know is - who is


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:09:47
Some good suggestions from Clem tbf. Didn’t consider putting a roof on the Town End before


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:10:41
I honestly don’t think he does actually know what’s going on. It sounds like someone who has little to no knowledge or interest in the nitty gritty of running a football club. What we need to know is - who is

Some guy who has run a liquidated plumbing business for Clem and has literally no CEO or football experience?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:14:43
This whole Clem/Eady Trust/Trust STFC "I gifted the fans the money" point needs unpacking in detail. It was a pretty extraordinary and ill judged comment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:15:52
This whole Clem/Eady Trust/Trust STFC "I gifted the fans the money" point needs unpacking in detail. It was a pretty extraordinary and ill judged comment.

I can see what he was getting at, but the wording left a lot to be desired.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:16:26
Again, that was probably not what he meant. He just can’t think on his feet - stuff just spills out.

Can’t condemn the fella if he’s not articulate under pressure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:18:36
I can see what he was getting at, but the wording left a lot to be desired.

Agreed, it wasn't his to gift (albeit it was the football clubs & he is the owner of it)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:21:30
Don’t think he’s the messiah, but also don’t think he’s trying to fuck over the fans. But my god, he needs to work on his communication. He will never gain the full trust of the fanbase until his communication improves. The “gifted” comment for example. No doubt, he had zero malice behind the comment, but come on. Hardly the most endearing comment to a fanbase that has become quite rightly, largely sceptical in recent months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:22:54
He's not a details guy or a comms guy, which is fair enough, none of us have every skill. But recognise that and hire some people to do it... perhaps that's the new CEO, who knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:23:15
It has been enlightening. I’m now convinced that there hasn’t been the calculated dishonesty we feared. I think it’s simply not knowing the detail, and making it up as they go along. No wonder the details of a debenture are missed. On balance, I’d rather it this way, than trying to intentionally screw us over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:23:45
Did the question get asked how were losing so much money each year or have I missed that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:24:11
It has been enlightening. I’m now convinced that there hasn’t been the calculated dishonesty we feared. I think it’s simply not knowing the detail, and making it up as they go along. No wonder the details of a debenture are missed. On balance, I’d rather it this way, than trying to intentionally screw us over.
In a nutshell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:24:27
It has been enlightening. I’m now convinced that there hasn’t been the calculated dishonesty we feared. I think it’s simply not knowing the detail, and making it up as they go along. No wonder the details of a debenture are missed. On balance, I’d rather it this way, than trying to intentionally screw us over.

Similarly I find it hard to believe anyone wanting to run the club secretly from behind the scenes would choose him as a front man!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:25:53
Car crash. Nothing to do with Vic or TSTBL’s Joe either- they asked the Qs as much as they could. about as unprofessional as it gets. Zero conviction with regards to anything positive. Extremely defensive.

Say tonight wasn’t Clem, owner of Swindon Town. And it was Jim, owner of Portsmouth- If that’s a different owner of a different club, and you’ve caught parts of that interview, you’d be laughing/insulting/questioning how legit of an owner he is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:25:57
This whole Clem/Eady Trust/Trust STFC "I gifted the fans the money" point needs unpacking in detail. It was a pretty extraordinary and ill judged comment.

The implication being the Eady Trust would have given the FC the money even without a joint venture.
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I've no idea if he's straight up or not. Despite his protestations I'll never be comfortable with Hart/Austin around the club. Whether that's my problem or a genuine concern we'll see.

Still at least he did it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:28:45
Car crash. Nothing to do with Vic or TSTBL’s Joe either, about as unprofessional as it gets. Zero conviction with regards to anything positive. Extremely defensive.

Say tonight wasn’t Clem, owner of Swindon Town. And it was Jim, owner of Portsmouth- If that’s a different owner of a different club, and you’ve caught parts of that interview, you’d be laughing/insulting/questioning how legit of an owner he is.
But he’s the opposite of Power who was always ready with a quip and an answer - he knew what he was doing with the club and obfuscated accordingly when questioned.

Clem came across as being caught in the headlights, did no homework on what he must have known he would be asked. Naive is the word.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:29:37
I actually warmed to him. He’s f*cked off, and I get that. I wish he’d understand fans are concerned though - he doesn’t, but then he wasn’t here for the last 20 years to see the owners we’ve endured. He needs a front man (or woman) who can take the PR away from him, and some people with the time and expertise to get on top of the detail.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:30:13
Similarly I find it hard to believe anyone wanting to run the club secretly from behind the scenes would choose him as a front man!

I was left thinking the same. Between him and Zav it is hardly people I'd want in my calculated conspiracy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:31:22
I actually warmed to him. He’s f*cked off, and I get that. I wish he’d understand fans are concerned though - he doesn’t, but then he wasn’t here for the last 20 years to see the owners we’ve endured. He needs a front man (or woman) who can take the PR away from him, and some people with the time and expertise to get on top of the detail.

To be fair at the end he said he understands the scepticism.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:35:45
Similarly I find it hard to believe anyone wanting to run the club secretly from behind the scenes would choose him as a front man!
good point


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:38:31
That was… interesting.

Maybe he’s taking the piss, but to me, that was not the performance of somebody clever enough to shaft anyone. Nor is that somebody a silent owner would accept as the face of the ownership.

It felt like sitting in on a gruelling job interview, where the candidate has no experience, and didn’t think to research what interviews are like in general. He didn’t seem to know much, a bit Bojo, but replace the Latin with swearing.

Doesn’t instil much confidence does it.  :headhurts:



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:39:47
So was it asked how we can be losing £500k to £1m a year and was fans being uncomfortable with the likes of Hart and Austin being around the club mentioned?

Fair play if Vic and that have asked what needed to be, was a big fear going in to this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:40:21
Well, whatever the pathetic running of the club behind the scenes isn’t affecting the stuff on the pitch - which is more important.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:42:06
Still none the wiser as to whether we are really losing 500k and how that's bridged.

Hey ho


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:42:32
So was it asked how we can be losing £500k to £1m a year and was fans being uncomfortable with the likes of Hart and Austin being around the club mentioned?

Fair play if Vic and that have asked what needed to be, was a big fear going in to this.

Pretty much everything was asked. He's loyal to Zav because he helped him get the club but he has no role beyond Matchday Guest. Hart does S&C and has been great, helped McKirdy have his best season, is 'a character' but again zero involvement. Allegedly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:43:04
So was it asked how we can be losing £500k to £1m a year and was fans being uncomfortable with the likes of Hart and Austin being around the club mentioned?

Fair play if Vic and that have asked what needed to be, was a big fear going in to this.
Asked and answered. Austin has no role at the club other than being Clem’s guest. Hart has no involvement in the running of the club but spoke highly of him in his role with the players. Didn’t quite understand the McKirdy bit.

As for the potential season on season losses it was just a figure - again probably plucked out of thin air - which hadn’t impacted on the playing budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:45:48
That was… interesting.

Maybe he’s taking the piss, but to me, that was not the performance of somebody clever enough to shaft anyone. Nor is that somebody a silent owner would accept as the face of the ownership.

It felt like sitting in on a gruelling job interview, we’re the candidate has no experience, and didn’t think to research what interviews are like in general. He didn’t seem to know much, a bit Bojo, but replace the Latin with swearing.

Doesn’t instil much confidence does it.  :headhurts:



I'll play devils advocate and say that the scattergun questions didn't help him. That must have been tough, and zoom doesn't make for lucid chat either, and at 05:30am for him.

But it probably helped to show us his something of his character, and I didn't get the impression of a load of calculated dishonesty in there. Chaos aplenty, but not a Machiavellian plan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:46:02
Appreciate the answer on Austin and Hart, even if you have to remain skeptical.

Plucking a figure out of his ass on how much we're losing that clearly isn't close to that......not great. Keeps putting his foot in his mouth and making things worse for himself.

Working on getting shares back from Kiely....any time frame to that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:47:00
Appreciate the answer on Austin and Hart, even if you have to remain skeptical.

Plucking a figure out of his ass on how much we're losing that clearly isn't close to that......not great. Keeps putting his foot in his mouth and making things worse for himself.

Working on getting shares back from Kiely....any time frame to that?

I think he said weeks to bring him down to 5% or something, depending on the January window...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:52:33
Another takeaway - it may be 500-1m, it could equally be 250k. There’s no point in worrying about it. It’s a number plucked from thin air, that is at least likely to be within £5m, one way or the other, of the actual figure. The time spent on the pods and on here analysing what’s said against previous statements is as much use as analysing our Champions League prospects for next season. It’s not what’s said, but how he said it, and I think he wants to do the right thing.

* but the gifting the money comment was a real dud of a comment. It is quite possible that he actually believes that he did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:54:31
Another takeaway - it may be 500-1m, it could equally be 250k. There’s no point in worrying about it. It’s a number plucked from thin air, that is at least likely to be within £5m, one way or the other, of the actual figure.

Quite. I think another reason why the AB needs binning. If this is the level of diligence given to the answers just chuck it in the fucking bin where it belongs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 20:58:23
My take from tonight - Clem won’t be around much longer and he’s regretting buying the club (he didn’t say this but he does not seem the same “Clem” as the one who took over).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:00:09
I said yesterday that we probably just have to accept that we have ownership that is feeding us a mixture of Incompetence and Bullshit, just unknown what percentage each side provides.

The reality is that we have a decent Manager - by trying out a few, rather than great planning - and we stand a chance of doing well under him.  However, it's entirely linked to Flynn, there is nothing behind him ensuring the club and business continue to be a success, much like Wellens under Power.  It's a sort of House of Cards, just we have a good hand for a bit.

The stuff about the Ground is more Bullshit, trying to sell a good story, badly by the sound of it.  The Trust started the process, the Council agreed to a sale but ONLY if the fans were involved and Eady funded it.  The club had ZERO rights to ownership and got given half the stadium, a rent reduction and a 250 year lease.  Fuck all to do with Clem, the Council were willing to sell with Power involved.  I imagine the Eady Trust were more willing to fund without Power, but Clem has no right to claim anything.  He paid off a debt owed by the club because it had the right to be called in against any assets owned by the club, and he was about to get a juicy one.

An example of the Incompetence/BS ratio is the stuff around the Academy - thus far the only physical thing purchased was actually gifted by a Scaffolding company, to support some camera's.  This months AB notes even add that the same company is providing some shooting nets which are delayed!!!!!!  It's all just made-up or not even being worked on, hence the lack of details or even agreed upon strategy.  To get Level 2 status is going to cost several million quid, let alone Level One.

Enjoy the ride.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:01:06
Yeah, the mea culpa was limited wasn't it? Zero recognition of the club's perpetual shit comms which add to the mess. Clem clearly thinks he has done a great job so far. Maybe he has, but he runs such a shambolic operation no one can see it.

As you say, this wasn't avuncular Clem. He seemed angry at having to defend himself which isn't great.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:01:34
I think he said weeks to bring him down to 5% or something, depending on the January window...

Interesting.

Sounds like he might let it wait if we're doing ok/need the extra funds to get us out of the league.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:02:46
My take from tonight - Clem won’t be around much longer and he’s regretting buying the club (he didn’t say this but he does not seem the same “Clem” as the one who took over).

That, i think, is the BS side.  He's involved with some murky people and an industry not exactly well known for etiquette.  I imagine the display he gave here is more like the real Clem -- he'll deal with some right idiots in his business world, it was bizarre to ever think he was an intellectual footballing man of the people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:06:03
Interesting.

Sounds like he might let it wait if we're doing ok/need the extra funds to get us out of the league.
Or flog someone to pay it off!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:10:05
Or flog someone to pay it off!

More likely - we don't actually have any insight into the terms of the deal they struck together.  The data points we have are that the Holding Co revalued the shares from a quid each to 1p each to enable Clem to dilute his shareholding.  The Memorandum and Articles of Association were amended, the shares were transferred and the Debentures were satisfied.  That's it.  Even the amount is not really a fact - just what was said.  It could be a loan, could be a mix of loan and share purchase, could just be a share purchase.  Nothing appears top have been secured against assets of STFC ( as far as has currently been updated on Companies House).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:11:50
On the losses front - I reckon he may even be confusing Losses with Cash.  I wouldn't betting he is adding up the money he has to keep popping into the bank account to pay off debt - but that may not be trading losses.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:16:59
Fair play to Vic reading out the follow up question to the Eady money, saying it was a disgrace to Nigel Eady's memory or whatever the wording was.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:19:38
Or flog someone to pay it off!

Fucking hell I didn't even think of it that way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 21:27:36
My take from tonight - Clem won’t be around much longer and he’s regretting buying the club (he didn’t say this but he does not seem the same “Clem” as the one who took over).

That's because someone took away his Season Ticket lorry/van and his bucket hat and parked it in Switzerland, next to a fleet of Mercs.

Looking forward to watching this on YouTube tomorrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 06:36:48
- The story with the debentures changed a bit from "wow where did those come from" to "we knew about them and my lawyer told me they could bite".
If they knew about the debentures I'm confused why the three day scramble for cash

- It was early for CM, but the last line of this excerpt is strange...
"I didn’t realise there was a debenture, I realised there was a debenture but i didn’t realise that Andrew Black had sold it to AC and LP, i believe he bought it for £1m (roughly), don’t quote me. I spoke to the legal team, I said do we have to, are these debentures going to bite. He goes yeah, they are going to bite. Now i had £1.5m of my own money which i refinanced one of the properties to get that to sort out the debenture."

- The comms about the shares having been reclaimed but CM confirmed they're in the process of being reclaimed was another oddity.

- Karachi being part of an STFC academy search is another contradiction to previous "this is Zav's thing". Last night CM said it's nothing to do with Zav

- Clem not seeking investors but looking to get funding for the stadium revamp could be semantics or whatever you label partners, but i thought that was another perhaps uncharitable takeaway.

- the implication that doing the AB (as shite as it is IMO) is something CM/STFC don't need to do is odd. I'm relative sure both CM/STFC wrote it into their manifesto when taking over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 06:44:17
Still none the wiser as to whether we are really losing 500k and how that's bridged.

Hey ho

I see you've made a friend on Facebook Batch!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 06:52:30
Thought that was a bloody good and honest interview. Answered the questions to the best of his knowledge and was pretty blunt about things.

I was never personally worried about things but I could understand why others were, but to my mind he put most people's worries to bed. Could have worded a few things better but everyone's different so won't hold that against him.

Massive respect to Clem for doing that as it was almost guaranteed to start another frenzy of theories. He's never going to satisfy some people in the fanbase but ultimately he doesn't have to.

Without trying to offend any of you, I have come to realise that this forum has become an echo chamber in the last few years. I get why and you're all well entitled to you opinions but it seems that when a bit of common sense and logic is applied to try counter some of the crazy it's either ignored or they get called a "happy clapper".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 07:19:21
The problem with flip-flopping over certain answers is that it points to untruths. It’s easy to remain consistent with your answers if you’ve always told the truth. When you say different answers to the same questions it’s because you can’t remember the fibs you’ve told before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 07:24:58
I see you've made a friend on Facebook Batch!

I am ian and so is my wite


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 07:26:46
Thought that was a bloody good and honest interview. Answered the questions to the best of his knowledge and was pretty blunt about things.

I was never personally worried about things but I could understand why others were, but to my mind he put most peoples worries to bed. Could have worded a few things better but everyones different so won't hold that against him.

Massive respect to Clem for doing that as it was almost guaranteed to start another frenzy of theories. He'a never going to satisfy some people in the fanbase but ultimately he doesn't have to.

Without trying to offend any of you, I have come to realise that this forum has become an echo chamber in the last few years. I get why and your all well entitled to you opinions but it seems that when a bit of common sense and logic is applied to try counter some of the crazy  its either ignored or they get called a "happy clapper".

I have to agree with this, most people with differnt views don't bother posting now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 07:29:26
Haha. That’s not true in the slightest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 07:32:45
I know the Boris Johnson comparison has been made before, which is a touch unfair, but I do think that, on the evidence of last night, trying to hold Clem to his word is going to be a similar waste of time. He's absolutely all over the place.

I've joked before that press releases/announcements from the club read like either Clem or Zav has written them. Maybe they have! They clearly don't have a comms person in the building and I doubt a lawyer is checking them. The whole operation is chaotic.

The best thing about all of these recent shenanigans is that the Trust seem to have woken up. I'm going to take that win and frankly treat anything that comes out of the club as unverifiable noise.

I genuinely think we will have to wait for the Power/Standing lawsuit for anything else worthwhile to emerge.

Until then, unless we plough into another iceberg or that stupid concert materialises (some terrifying comments on that from Clem...), it is up Mike Flynn's Red and White Army.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:13:11
Ok, he was out of his depth. Who wouldn’t be?  He’s not a media guy, he’s not trained in communicating with a flash MBA from Harvard.

He’s an Aussie plumber going through a bad patch. Give the guy a fucking break.

Anyone seriously trying to screw us would have had scripted. multipurpose bland answers, not the response we had yesterday.

Has it done a bit Pete Tong?  Yes
Has he admitted so? Yes
Can it be sorted? We hope so
Have we any choice other than go with him? Absolutely none !



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:27:35
Ok, he was out of his depth. Who wouldn’t be?  He’s not a media guy, he’s not trained in communicating with a flash MBA from Harvard.

He’s an Aussie plumber going through a bad patch. Give the guy a fucking break.

Anyone seriously trying to screw us would have had scripted. multipurpose bland answers, not the response we had yesterday.

Has it done a bit Pete Tong?  Yes
Has he admitted so? Yes
Can it be sorted? We hope so
Have we any choice other than go with him? Absolutely none !



Totally agree with that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:30:23
A statement from the @STFCfoundation and @STFCSupClub

On last night’s event, a question was raised regarding monies owing by @Official_STFC to the Foundation. The Foundation have contacted us to confirm that this is incorrect and all payments made are up to date.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: kirky69 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:35:00
Ok, he was out of his depth. Who wouldn’t be?  He’s not a media guy, he’s not trained in communicating with a flash MBA from Harvard.

He’s an Aussie plumber going through a bad patch. Give the guy a fucking break.

Anyone seriously trying to screw us would have had scripted. multipurpose bland answers, not the response we had yesterday.

Has it done a bit Pete Tong?  Yes
Has he admitted so? Yes
Can it be sorted? We hope so
Have we any choice other than go with him? Absolutely none !


Succinct summary. Agree 100%. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:42:41
Ok, he was out of his depth. Who wouldn’t be?  He’s not a media guy, he’s not trained in communicating with a flash MBA from Harvard.

He’s an Aussie plumber going through a bad patch. Give the guy a fucking break.

Anyone seriously trying to screw us would have had scripted. multipurpose bland answers, not the response we had yesterday.

Has it gone a bit Pete Tong?  Yes
Has he admitted so? Yes
Can it be sorted? We hope so
Have we any choice other than go with him? Absolutely none !


Succinct summary. Agree 100%. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:43:30
Ok, he was out of his depth. Who wouldn’t be?  He’s not a media guy, he’s not trained in communicating with a flash MBA from Harvard.

He’s an Aussie plumber going through a bad patch. Give the guy a fucking break.

Anyone seriously trying to screw us would have had scripted. multipurpose bland answers, not the response we had yesterday.

Has it done a bit Pete Tong?  Yes
Has he admitted so? Yes
Can it be sorted? We hope so
Have we any choice other than go with him? Absolutely none !

Yep....

A statement from the @STFCfoundation and @STFCSupClub

On last night’s event, a question was raised regarding monies owing by @Official_STFC to the Foundation. The Foundation have contacted us to confirm that this is incorrect and all payments made are up to date.

Negative supposition and conjecture circulating as fact..... well knock me down with a feather!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 08:47:48
Just watched the interview on Youtube. I don't have much to add that's already been said over the last 4 pages or so.

I imagine 4D and Fuzzy were VERY excited to see the telescope that was just visual on Clem's screen :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:03:22
At the risk of quoting a much unloved former manager, Clem is the owner and CEO of a multinational, multi-million dollar services business, he's not a child/just an Aussie Plumber, any more than Alan Sugar is a market trader. I understand that his communication isn't particularly polished and I don't really mind that, but I think it is reasonable to expect him to understand the business that he owns and runs (STFC that is, not Axis).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:06:42
A statement from the @STFCfoundation and @STFCSupClub

On last night’s event, a question was raised regarding monies owing by @Official_STFC to the Foundation. The Foundation have contacted us to confirm that this is incorrect and all payments made are up to date.

And there is just one reason we shouldn’t believe every rumour that’s posted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:10:38
The implication being the Eady Trust would have given the FC the money even without a joint venture.
-----------
I've no idea if he's straight up or not. Despite his protestations I'll never be comfortable with Hart/Austin around the club. Whether that's my problem or a genuine concern we'll see.

Still at least he did it.

Isn't the old saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer - maybe its just he does not want to fall out with these guys as he gets on with them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:17:39
At the risk of quoting a much unloved former manager, Clem is the owner and CEO of a multinational, multi-million dollar services business, he's not a child/just an Aussie Plumber, any more than Alan Sugar is a market trader. I understand that his communication isn't particularly polished and I don't really mind that, but I think it is reasonable to expect him to understand the business that he owns and runs (STFC that is, not Axis).
How many owners of a lower league football club had any experience of running one when they bought it?

Just hope that these shenanigans hit home to Clem that he - or his minions - need to get a grip on what needs to change to get the club running a bit more smoothly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:19:07
I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this is a good



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:21:35
What the actual fuck?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:25:20
I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this is a good
TBC....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:25:40
Bathford is going to be our new owner


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:26:04
All hail glorious leader Bathford


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:28:11
I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to be having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

I have staff available to take on all senior roles within a football club.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this constant struggle with supporters who think they have the right to question every decision continues across all levels of football, I salute those prepared to accept the challenge, but I will continue for now to support the club from the stands and give Clem my support.

I look forward to meeting him again on his return.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:29:13
I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this is a good



Its football - some people will always make stuff up and others pick up on snippets of info and expand to what they think, then there are the genuine people that do know things and at times those things may not sound right so it conveniently gets leaked.

To run a football club you need to be able to take the sh1t when it's flying and then take the plaudits when they come your way.

Clem isn't media savy and it seems he has surrounded the club with people he knows who have been involved in his businesses previously, whether that is the right thing, only time will tell.

As he said there are accounts due in next few days, I'm sure people will scrutinise them.

I liked the bit about how he would like to have Rob Angus still involved in some form and they was looking at that, you would guess perhaps in some voluntary role or some role around stadium redevelopment, he is probably a good guy to have around the place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:31:05
If you run a business properly and don't surround yourself with murky individuals that leave you open to such questions, it probably makes life a bit easier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:32:40
Bathford is going to be our new owner

He needs to learn how to use the 'modify' and 'quote' functions first though  ;) :D !


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:33:32
Clem didn’t have a little black book of football contacts. He’s gone for people he knows rather than advertise for experienced football people he doesn’t know. Tbh, I’m not sure which way I’d go with the sharks that swim in football’s waters.

We can only hope they hit the ground running and get to grips with how things work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:37:41
Bob Orange
Have you got the link for CM s talk last night ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:37:59
I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this is a good


I personally feel our fanbase won't apply constant questioning and pressure should a good owner come along - that can be you Bathford (Please).

Under Fitton our fanbase seemed really united and I don't remember any fan pressure on them. Post-Black has been a continual cycle of issues and a completely clean slate and start with a Fitton-esque owner would unite the fan base I'd feel. Clem hasn't helped himself recently with the constant story changes and who he associates himself with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:39:27
How many owners of a lower league football club had any experience of running one when they bought it?

Just hope that these shenanigans hit home to Clem that he - or his minions - need to get a grip on what needs to change to get the club running a bit more smoothly.

I think this is a good question and something I've banged on about before. When Wrexham got taken over, the first thing their owners did was recruit Shaun Harvey, who has a deep knowledge of the game and working for various clubs as well as the EFL itself. My personal opinion is that Clem should have done something similar. Rob Angus is all well and good, but he doesn't have the depth of knowledge of working in football, and neither does Anthony Hall.

To me, it doesn't feel like there is a coherent plan that Clem is following, as with his interview last night, a lot of it seems very 'suck it and see'. Last season felt a bit like that, recruiting Sandro, giving the job to Linsdey, then the whole Morris/Brand thing - it just didn't feel quite right. That plan was ripped up and to be fair to Clem, recruiting Flynn has been a masterstroke so far. I'm being really harsh but I'm not sure how much of that was down to luck rather than judgement. I just hope that now we seem to have hit upon a recipe that works, we run with it, and make sure everyone is pulling in the same direction.

FWIW, I like Clem and I really want it to work for him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:40:27
Invest and take a back seat Bathford  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:42:27
Bob Orange
Have you got the link for CM s talk last night ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTDyseZSbM4

I'm not giving you a lift to Colchester mind ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:48:23
Under Fitton our fanbase seemed really united and I don't remember any fan pressure on them. Post-Black has been a continual cycle of issues and a completely clean slate and start with a Fitton-esque owner would unite the fan base I'd feel. Clem hasn't helped himself recently with the constant story changes and who he associates himself with.

I think the unity under Fitton actually went back to before then to the unity to get shot of Diamond Mike, Fitton and co just went on to get an easier ride off the back of that, can you imagine the chaos that would ensue here now if one of Clem's associates were to be discovered benefiting personally from the sale of a player they recommended.

I honestly don't know how a large part of our fan base survived the seasons under Wills and Diamond Mike, the days refreshing the internet every 10 minor so to see if we had gone into admin or been taken over, when you compare to the uproar and pumping blood pressure on here nowadays about things its poles apart.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:49:26
a lot of it seems very 'suck it and see'.

I really can’t get the Arctic Monkeys out of my head now, thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 09:59:10
I think the unity under Fitton actually went back to before then to the unity to get shot of Diamond Mike, Fitton and co just went on to get an easier ride off the back of that, can you imagine the chaos that would ensue here now if one of Clem's associates were to be discovered benefiting personally from the sale of a player they recommended.

I honestly don't know how a large part of our fan base survived the seasons under Wills and Diamond Mike, the days refreshing the internet every 10 minor so to see if we had gone into admin or been taken over, when you compare to the uproar and pumping blood pressure on here nowadays about things its poles apart.

The Fitton era may have had more money to throw at things - but they left us with that debenture - not good. At least Clem wants to put the club on a sustainable footing which can only be good - the Fitton era resulted in Power. Hopefully when Clem goes , if and when we are sustainable the club will be far more attractive a proposition for future owners. That's got to be the hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:01:59
I really can’t get the Arctic Monkeys out of my head now, thanks.
See thats where we differ, I have Linda Lovelace in my mind now!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:07:13
The Fitton era may have had more money to throw at things - but they left us with that debenture - not good. At least Clem wants to put the club on a sustainable footing which can only be good - the Fitton era resulted in Power. Hopefully when Clem goes , if and when we are sustainable the club will be far more attractive a proposition for future owners. That's got to be the hope.

From memory, Black left us with the debenture but no other debt - that may be wrong mind. If it weren't for the emergency fire sale element of that process, it really should have been the perfect time to take over the club.

As it was, we got Jed and co.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:10:40
If Power had paid Black his due after the sale of Matt Ritchie . . .

I’m sure in my own mind there’s no nefarious goings on backstage so it’s time to concentrate on supporting Flynn and the players on the pitch. We seem to have a chance of achieving something good this season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:11:36
(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/contentassets/ce89c5e7b42e49b5843676434096748e/lotto-2.jpg)

This photo amused me. We've got bigger balls!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:20:22
The Fitton era may have had more money to throw at things - but they left us with that debenture - not good. At least Clem wants to put the club on a sustainable footing which can only be good - the Fitton era resulted in Power. Hopefully when Clem goes , if and when we are sustainable the club will be far more attractive a proposition for future owners. That's got to be the hope.

I think there are actually two distinctive era's in Blacks ownership, the Fitton era where we seemed to be looking at the club as a whole going forward, but then the Wray era which bought some good football times (at great cost) but literally sweet fanny adams in terms of wider club infrastructure and forward planning, the costs of which seem to have finally spooked Black and Arbib and led us ultimately to where we are now.

Looking at this, in 12 years, nothing has really changed. https://web.archive.org/web/20110430053216/http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/8802780.AGM_reveals__profitable__Swindon_Town/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:27:33
(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/contentassets/ce89c5e7b42e49b5843676434096748e/lotto-2.jpg)

This photo amused me. We've got bigger balls!

They've changed the lotto rules so if you match 2 balls you get some money, (£50 this time) which I think is a good touch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:28:50
They've changed the lotto rules so if you match 2 balls you get some money, (£50 this time) which I think is a good touch.
Ha TBF I looked quick and thought you only posted that because there was a (Bobs) Chocolate Orange on the table :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:30:04
They've changed the lotto rules so if you match 2 balls you get some money, (£50 this time) which I think is a good touch.

Down to 900-1, 300 people doing it ? Seems a much better idea tbf.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:30:22
Ha TBF I looked quick and thought you only posted that because there was a (Bobs) Chocolate Orange on the table :)

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I used to get bought a Terry's Chocolate Orange every year by the same distant family member. I hate Chocolate Orange so my stepdad was always grateful!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:33:53
I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

I'm sure he realises the damage Power left behind. That's why 'open and transparent' was born after all.

If you break that "contract" and also associate with people of previously dubious character what do you think will happen?

I'm not calling it one way or another. I genuinely hope he's exactly what he seems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 10:38:51
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I used to get bought a Terry's Chocolate Orange every year by the same distant family member. I hate Chocolate Orange so my stepdad was always grateful!

It's not Christmas without a chocolate orange!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 11:03:37
It's not Christmas without a chocolate orange!
You know its Boxing Day when you have it for breakfast!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 11:43:36
The Fitton era may have had more money to throw at things - but they left us with that debenture - not good. At least Clem wants to put the club on a sustainable footing which can only be good - the Fitton era resulted in Power. Hopefully when Clem goes , if and when we are sustainable the club will be far more attractive a proposition for future owners. That's got to be the hope.

You see, just as some are pointed at for spreading rumour and opinion as fact, you have this.  The Debenture was not a bad thing - it had been sat there for 10 years without being called in.  It had very clear requirements - sale of business or significant asset movements.  It was simply a type of loan that didn't need monthly repayments.

On top of that, you mention it like Black left us in the shit as a result - he paid off Debentures worth almost as much when he took over (Shaw Park Developments - St Modwen) and he wrote off all of the debt the club accrued under their stewardship - about 12m.

If you want to knock them for something, knock them for having a squad we couldn't afford once new owners took over.  Something that caused us a headache for about 6 months.  After that we reset.

There is one thing that has made the club more attractive - the gifting of the Ground share to the club by Eady.  About the only person in the past 10 years to have done anything GOOD for the club.

And I am not saying, and never had said, that Clem is a bad person or doing nefarious things. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 11:59:52
And I am not saying, and never had said, that Clem is a bad person or doing nefarious things. 
I'd like to echo this point.

I think it's fine to question inconsistencies in what we are told without making it personal to Clem, thinking that he's actually done anything wrong or hoping for a conspiracy to uncover!

Simultaneously I understand why others aren't, which is equally fine


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:03:33
I'd like to echo this point.

I think it's fine to question inconsistencies in what we are told without making it personal to Clem, thinking that he's actually done anything wrong or hoping for a conspiracy to uncover!

Simultaneously I understand why others aren't, which is equally fine
Completely agree and echo this point too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:03:40
Just watched the interview with Clem Morfuni and others.
There is no denying that Morfuni can tell a good story and as said previously if he had not gotten involved when he did STFC would not be here today.
Not saying he is a saint or a sinner but the club will be  in a relationship with him for a long time to come.
Just hope that Lady Luck keeps smiling down on us and the current performances on the pitch continues.
COYMs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:06:55
The big question that fans can and should ask of any owner is, what have they done that ensures the future success of the club and business?.

It has to be something hard, like a physical asset, or something around clearing (not moving) debt of significant value etc.

As an example, if I think of Clem's tenure, there is maybe one thing right now - the paying down of the Debenture, as it was secured against the assets of the business and could have caused risk (in theory at least, it seems to have been pretty benign for 10 years).  However, we don't actually know what the deal struck was that financed that payment, so we could still see the business on the hook.   There is some evidence that it caused some pretty fundamental changes to the Holding Co structure and rules of operating.  So right now, it's a maybe rather than a hard, factual, bit of improvement that creates a better club/business for the future.

Under Clem, I am struggling.  Everything that I can say is good, is transient in nature - he has managed a period where out attendances have increased, which is very good.  There is no guarantee they would sustain that level.  Same for season ticket sales, but again they reset every year.  The debt has been made softer, but it is still debt - we only have his word he won't call it in, which has proven to be a bit "loose" with the truth.

The current Manager seems a good pick - and we know how long that can last and how quickly it can unravel if it does end.

Other than that, there are a lot of words, but nothing concrete.

That's how I want him measured - something that can outlast him.

Maybe the Ground development will be that thing?  I hope so.  He has been handed a gift here, I really hope it's the one thing he knows how to get right because it has the makings of being a very good thing to get right.

The problem with not doing those things is you'll get measured by some of the other shit you get wrong - and there has been plenty.  We fucked up last season in a footballing sense.  We spent too much money on players and Managers, causing some financial heartburn.  We have done nothing to improve the Academy that lasts.  We got embroiled in some silly Visa scheme in Pakistan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:15:47
Not sure if it’s been mentioned or if it’s that important but it’s good to know any pay off for Morris/Brand will be finished in a couple of months. Something else poor old Clem wasn’t entirely sure when.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:23:00
Rob
Understand your concerns however surely the club is a testimony of Morfuni achievements to date.
Simple terms in my opinion ithe club would not exist in its present form.
Yes Morfuni is an opportunist and was in the right place at the right time.
But he must have big balls to take on STFC when he did.
I say good luck to his success because if he is successful surely the club should be as well 😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:24:56
How do you quantify success off the pitch? We could well get promoted despite naivety in the boardroom.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:29:38
The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true?

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:29:50
You could easily ask Yeovil or Bury or Worcester RFC that and possibly they could give you a better answer than I can


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:39:03
I am ian and so is my wite

He's a fucking drongo that Ian.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:41:23
The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true?

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.  :hmmm:
Noticed last night that Clem very nearly referred to Kiely as CK which is apparently how his friends greet him.

The time of the loan last year was right in the midst of Kiely's Brentford style project kicking off. As he was given the platform to do so by Clem, can see why he was willing to loan funds if they were available to him at the time.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:41:58
Haha. That’s not true in the slightest

Definitely isn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:43:08
The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true? Yes as it was Zav (allegedly) who told Clem about the loop-hole for Clem to be able to buy before Able I believe.

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return. This would be the main concern for me.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure. :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:43:40
The old brain was whirring in the gym about the interview and whilst I'm erring on the side of Clem being a good egg, I can't help wondering just what is in it for certain characters in the club. Yes Clem gave his side of the story but some of it just doesn't ring true. And I'm sorry for going over old ground again and again

Zav Austin - I'm pretty sure Clem actually said in the interview he was no longer vice-chairman or a director and that he just comes to the club as a regular guest of Clem's. Without Zav, he wouldn't be in the situation as club chairman - is that really true?

Hart - he was the Strength and Conditioning coach and did some great work with Harry Mckirdy, but like Zav, also has a past. He's now working with Crawley but continues to be around in the background - again there must be a proper reason he's there? Don't think Sonny Hart is like Curran's son, as apparently he's pretty good.

Chris Kiely - Was willing to give Clem money for shares to help pay off the Debenture but seemingly wants no input in the club or anything out of it? I don't think Kiely is particularly close to Clem, surely he wouldn't just hand over a wad of money without wanting anything in return.

Again - i'm not convinced Clem is nefarious, but something just doesn't sit right about these guys who are there in the background of the club, seemingly for no return. I don't doubt that Kiely is making a good amount on the loan to Clem, and I'm surprised he never mentioned about Kiely's data business, that I believe we use. As for Hart and Zav Austin - i'm really not sure.  :hmmm:

In terms of Austin, since the fuss about Vice Chair and correction, hasn't it always ben the story that he got Clem involved and Clem sees him as mate, Austin gets to act bobby big bollocks on match days etc. Don't think any thing said contradicts that.

Hart I don't know much about, but from a rudimentary google he is part of what appears to be a reasonably successful fitness/training conditioning business. The whole Crawley thing was a nonsense as some seemed genuinely surprised and angry that a consultancy does work for more than one client, does he actually have any day to day role personally with fitness etc at the CG or is it just again he is a mate of Clem''s whose lad is in the yoofs?

Chris Kiely seems a bit of an enigma, its not altogether clear to me where his cash came from (his old man maybe?) has some involvement in racing and 'data' but no idea where he links to Clem? He does seem to have become a bogeyman in some peoples eyes, albeit its not really clear why or how?

Long and short, I suspect if asked, his simple answer would be they are people who I know and have done work with and who I consider to be mates. Yes there may be some dodgy backgrounds there, but who Clem keeps the company of doesn't have a great deal to do with the successful or otherwise running of the club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:48:28
I’m sure that, he wonders what the hell he’s done. I’ve had the opportunity to talk to Clem many times, he comes across as a genuine guy.

What I believe has shocked him, is the constant questioning by ill informed, individuals. This has to having an effect on his health and personal life. At the end of the day, he has achieved success in his homeland. He doesn’t need constant shit from 10k miles away.

Perhaps, there is no story. Have you thought of that.

Last season, I was asked by someone why I didn’t invest in the club, all of the necessary funds to buy and run a club are readily available at short notice. A budget for MF was available without question.

The reason I haven’t done this is simple.  I was and I am still not prepared to accept the constant pressure, questioning and character assassination from supporters.

It’s not fair on the family and friends.

So whilst this is a good



The issue is Clem has brought a lot of this on himself by over promising transparency and then consistently putting his foot in his mouth.

While there is a a small minority of people that are flat out dumb as fuck and would never be happy with anything, you'd get no such treatment assuming you're not besties with former Britains most wanted for starters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:52:03
I personally feel our fanbase won't apply constant questioning and pressure should a good owner come along - that can be you Bathford (Please).

Under Fitton our fanbase seemed really united and I don't remember any fan pressure on them. Post-Black has been a continual cycle of issues and a completely clean slate and start with a Fitton-esque owner would unite the fan base I'd feel. Clem hasn't helped himself recently with the constant story changes and who he associates himself with.

Exactly. The scrutiny might look bad, but look at what we've had to put up with.

Bathford the only way I'd think twice mate if you're good pals with one of these lot and fancy making them a matchday guest.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/gallery/full-list-uks-most-wanted-8212039


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:55:09
I think the unity under Fitton actually went back to before then to the unity to get shot of Diamond Mike, Fitton and co just went on to get an easier ride off the back of that, can you imagine the chaos that would ensue here now if one of Clem's associates were to be discovered benefiting personally from the sale of a player they recommended.

I honestly don't know how a large part of our fan base survived the seasons under Wills and Diamond Mike, the days refreshing the internet every 10 minor so to see if we had gone into admin or been taken over, when you compare to the uproar and pumping blood pressure on here nowadays about things its poles apart.

Agree.

It may seem like we're asking a lot but are we? We just don't want a Diamandis or Lee Power type bleeding the fucking thing and have PTSD over it.

When former cocaine bosses and convicted money launderers are hanging around, there is bound to be extra scrutiny and scepticism.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 12:55:39
I really can’t get the Arctic Monkeys out of my head now, thanks.

Lee Powers reign was like a studded leather headlock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:08:49
Chris Kiely Racing has one set of micro accounts registered at CH - just him and Mrs. Nothing brilliant there.

Same set up for Donnington Property Management - dormant company set up in 2019

Sports Brokerage Limited - set up 2020, struck off 2022

Difficult to know from that where any decent wedge could come from.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:25:00
From memory CK has a footie data company.
"MPS data" is referenced in an AB question (not answer, club hasn't said it that I know of)
It could be https://mps-data.co.uk/

In other AB notes "Chris Kiely is a consultant and helps with data"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:25:32
The question I ask is what's in it for them..

Hart /  Kiely - The supplied some sort of service to the club and presumably got paid and i've no issue with that (scouting/moneyball and coaching)

The Austin involvement I don't understand.. what's in it for him? It's not just ego thing is it?  Does he get a car, expenses, and get paid a day rate for services rendered each time he's a match day guest or at the club day to day?  Or does he have skin in the game, money invested somewhere..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:33:05
Chris Kiely Racing has one set of micro accounts registered at CH - just him and Mrs. Nothing brilliant there.

Its a pretty small set up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:41:24
Its a pretty small set up.

Is he racing falabellas?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:46:29
Is he racing falabellas?

I had to google to see what a falabellas was, now if you had said Shetland Ponies....  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:47:09
Its a pretty small set up.
Think he’s been quite successful as an owner. Had one of the best horses in training a couple of years ago. Maybe he made some serious cash there.

https://www.skysports.com/racing/news/12040/12348693/chris-kiely-savouring-the-moment-with-july-cup-hope-rohaan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 13:48:41
I had to google to see what a falabellas was, now if you had said Shetland Ponies....  ;)

I initially was going to, but wanted to make people on here do a bit of work/research! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 14:01:00
Think he’s been quite successful as an owner. Had one of the best horses in training a couple of years ago. Maybe he made some serious cash there.

https://www.skysports.com/racing/news/12040/12348693/chris-kiely-savouring-the-moment-with-july-cup-hope-rohaan

Rohaan did Ok, although Kiely sold part of him mid career and then they got rid of him 12 months back so no idea how much he made off that, I think in winnings he turned about £200Kish (albeit some with others) which is not to be sniffed at but doesn't explain where a few mils were available in his back pocket to loan to Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 14:15:10
I think the bit where he said he’d bought 15-20 horses previously without much success. That doesn’t come cheap - buying them and keeping them in training


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 14:15:38
Rohaan did Ok, although Kiely sold part of him mid career and then they got rid of him 12 months back so no idea how much he made off that, I think in winnings he turned about £200Kish (albeit some with others) which is not to be sniffed at but doesn't explain where a few mils were available in his back pocket to loan to Clem?

About a month after the Debenture was paid off, that MPS Data company re-org'd some shares.

Which means nothing, because I can't even see how Chris is linked to that company, but I raise that as showing why the deal that was struck is the important bit, and the bit that is at best opaque right now, and an answer we most likely won't get unless a paper trail appears in time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 14:27:46
Someone mentioned it being a good thing the Accounts were being prepared - I think that may have actually referenced the fact Seebeck 87 Ltd were overdue and an active action to strike the company off had been filed in August.  Think someone said Clem was bringing them up to date - it's just a funnel through company I believe, nothing will be learned from producing them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 14:53:55
Someone mentioned it being a good thing the Accounts were being prepared - I think that may have actually referenced the fact Seebeck 87 Ltd were overdue and an active action to strike the company off had been filed in August.  Think someone said Clem was bringing them up to date - it's just a funnel through company I believe, nothing will be learned from producing them.

I've been surprised/amused that the proposal to strike off Seebeck has not been met with greater strife and conspiracy.

I had assumed that as Seebeck was Jed's vehicle to buy the club things may have been reorganised internally and it may have just been being allowed to die a natural death, possibly in relation to the debentures being settled as they were created at the same time, I don't think its accounts have ever shown anything of note anyway?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 15:00:28
Yep, Seebeck was Jed and Swinton was Power, the latter wholly owns the former.  Pointless really, not sure why nobody has tidied them up unless they serve some sort of useful legal distancing.

Accounts for both companies reveal very little, although the share movements provide some insight.

The Debentures were against Swindon Town Football Club Ltd, so still none the wiser why Seebeck is retained.  I would say they completely forgot about it, but they did adjust the Memorandum and Articles of Association for Seebeck around the time  the accounts were due.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 15:12:34
Yep, Seebeck was Jed and Swinton was Power, the latter wholly owns the former.  Pointless really, not sure why nobody has tidied them up unless they serve some sort of useful legal distancing.

Accounts for both companies reveal very little, although the share movements provide some insight.

The Debentures were against Swindon Town Football Club Ltd, so still none the wiser why Seebeck is retained.  I would say they completely forgot about it, but they did adjust the Memorandum and Articles of Association for Seebeck around the time  the accounts were due.

Its always rather bewildered me why Clem seem to use differing accounting firms to do the accounts for each of these companies, but that's a small thing, on that basis one basically dormant company being overlooked is pretty meh really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 21, 2023, 15:16:06
I thought Seebeck was the actual vehicle that held the FC's shares.
Swinton own Seebck, therefore the club

Seebeck accounts will show nothing, probably £10 in the bank or something. Normal.

But the implications of Seebeck going pop through strikeoff without tidying the structure properly are ???? As in IDK.

Also no idea if legally it offers protection against anything above. Just don't have the knowledge, or time to look at such things.

Anyway, Clem has signed off the Seebeck accounts and it was 'an oversight'. So hopefully all academic anyway.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:07:02
Think Morfuni hinted but here it is:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23788046.swindon-town-faces-possible-fine-efl-investigate-various-matters/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23788046.swindon-town-faces-possible-fine-efl-investigate-various-matters/)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:11:08
Think Morfuni hinted but here it is:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23788046.swindon-town-faces-possible-fine-efl-investigate-various-matters/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23788046.swindon-town-faces-possible-fine-efl-investigate-various-matters/)
Pay wall


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:18:36
Pay wall

Try opening it in a different browser to the one you normally use to access Adver stuff, so for instance for me this is paywalled on Firefox but opens fine on Chrome. Not sure how the Adver can claim it as an exclusive but hey ho.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:20:32
Ta. Never knew that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:31:26

Anyway, Clem has signed off the Seebeck accounts and it was 'an oversight'. So hopefully all academic anyway.


As of 10:40am no change in status of Seebeck.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:32:34
Companies House are fairly useless at updating


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:46:26
Companies House are fairly useless at updating

TBF they are not useless, it just takes time for them to process the, no doubt, tens of thousands of documents received every day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:49:42
There was a program yesterday. Companies can set up bogus companies addresses at virtually any residential address they choose with zero proof. Yet those who addresses they use have to jump through hoops getting the bogus company disassociated with the homeowner - and it takes ages.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 09:57:48
There was a program yesterday. Companies can set up bogus companies addresses at virtually any residential address they choose with zero proof. Yet those who addresses they use have to jump through hoops getting the bogus company disassociated with the homeowner - and it takes ages.

There is a guy on Twitter (who must have a hell of  lot of time on his hands unless you can set up an alert for new companies being set up) who looks at such things like this this morning. https://x.com/greybrow53/status/1705136974338703557


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 22, 2023, 10:03:22
Think Morfuni hinted but here it is:

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23788046.swindon-town-faces-possible-fine-efl-investigate-various-matters/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23788046.swindon-town-faces-possible-fine-efl-investigate-various-matters/)

I see the EFL are being unnecessarily negative and impossible to please as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 22, 2023, 10:10:47
I see the EFL are being unnecessarily negative and impossible to please as well.
:D

EFL #BeKind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 22, 2023, 10:37:43
About time the powers that be put Swindle Town out of everyone's misery.

Tytherington Rocks FC, here we come.

<tongue in cheek emoji>


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 22, 2023, 10:54:17
I notice the Facebook group haven't read the article and are blaming Lee Power.

Reminding me of the iconic Daily Mail comment ' IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 22, 2023, 10:59:46
I notice the Facebook group haven't read the article and are blaming Lee Power.

Reminding me of the iconic Daily Mail comment ' IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS'.

I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:02:53
I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"

It's fair to say that there are both people who will not see any concerns with the current ownership regardless of any evidence presented, and people who think they are the most wretched hive of scum and villainy anywhere in the galaxy, but I think there are far more with views somewhere in between those two poles. The issue seems to be that both "sides" see the most unreasonable exponents of the other view as 'typical' and spend more time raging at those than they do engaging with the more nuanced people in the middle.

Not that this is a situation restricted to STFC ownership issues!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:04:48
I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"
Yep. Facts is facts, some on FB do have their head so far deep in the sand they are visiting Clem in Oz.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:05:11
I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"
Completely agree.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:08:00
they are the most wretched hive of scum and villainy anywhere in the galaxy
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:08:26
Those accounts of Seebeck should have been filed months ago shouldn’t they? Does that count as a Clem ‘oversight’?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:09:43
I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"

Its got very tribal with some of the fans, much as with politics.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:12:18
Did we have a club secretary in place in August - September time last year?

Not that it would have made any difference if Clem chose to keep it all to himself.

Buck stops with owner on this one if we are fined, I'm afraid.
There's no I in team Clem mate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:20:46
Those accounts of Seebeck should have been filed months ago shouldn’t they? Does that count as a Clem ‘oversight’?

Its potentially an oversight, albeit who it can be laid at the door of is less c;lear.

From experience if you employ an accountant they tell you what needs to be done and when, and if you get close to or miss the deadline they keep bloody contacting you about it!

So the unknown is whether the accountants have fucked up and missed the deadline or whether they have asked/told Clem it has to be done and he has not instructed or provided whatever they need.

Ultimately if a fine is levied the directors will have to pay it, albeit I suspect if its an accountants fuck up a counter claim will be lodged to cover it off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:30:42
It's fair to say that there are both people who will not see any concerns with the current ownership regardless of any evidence presented, and people who think they are the most wretched hive of scum and villainy anywhere in the galaxy, but I think there are far more with views somewhere in between those two poles. The issue seems to be that both "sides" see the most unreasonable exponents of the other view as 'typical' and spend more time raging at those than they do engaging with the more nuanced people in the middle.

Not that this is a situation restricted to STFC ownership issues!

Its got very tribal with some of the fans, much as with politics.

Have to agree with both of these comments. Politics in particular (fully aware there is another thread so won't bang on about it too much here) is so massively divisive and that divisiveness has crept into STFC fandom here, and I imagine football in general. I guess pretty much everyone is on SM these days and have their opinion so it's difficult to avoid, or agree in many cases.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 22, 2023, 11:31:56
Yep. Facts is facts, some on FB do have their head so far deep in the sand they are visiting Clem in Oz.



No need to sell 5.5k ST's then is there for those people! :)

Actually the prize is New York this year rather than Oz isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 22, 2023, 12:49:30
I really do hope that when the fine comes from the FL & anything from companies house that this is paid out of Clem's pocket not the FC, Clem has made it clear it was his decision not to make public the shareholding change and not tell the FL, so hopefully he takes it on the chin and coughs up and publicly states he has paid it out of his pocket.

Maybe this should be something the Trust should be discussing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 12:52:01
I can't read the article, but presume this is us not informing the EFL?  If so, didn't a few posters call this out when the original documents were identified, and got a bit of pushback from other posters to not be so silly?

There are recent examples of clubs receiving punishment for this, which tends to include a suspended points deduction.  That may not be a problem for now - BUT, this does not help when you have a much bigger case sat waiting for resolution and your defence is that we are not like those bad old owners......

edit: having checked, the recent examples I remembered were Birmingham and Peterborough, we should likely expect a fine or payment of costs for the case reaching around 50k and a 2/3 point deduction suspended for a year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 22, 2023, 12:55:59
I can't read the article, but presume this is us not informing the EFL?  If so, didn't a few posters call this out when the original documents were identified, and got a bit of pushback from other posters to not be so silly?

There are recent examples of clubs receiving punishment for this, which tends to include a suspended points deduction.  That may not be a problem for now - BUT, this does not help when you have a much bigger case sat waiting for resolution and your defence is that we are not like those bad old owners......

Do you mean 'the usual suspects' as people tend to throw about on here these days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 12:56:39
Fucking Keyser Söze


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:00:16
I really do hope that when the fine comes from the FL & anything from companies house that this is paid out of Clem's pocket not the FC,

Aren't they pretty much one and the same, albeit I suppose it would avoid Kiely and the lawyer guy being partially liable I suppose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:30:40
The club is still rotten to the core!

Clem Morfuni is just another Lee Power!

Same dodgy dealings, same secretive lies....



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:40:43
Karachi Update!

https://www.chevening.org/news/ready-set-goal-how-a-chevening-scholarship-could-accelerate-your-sporting-career/

"We’re also delighted to announce that Chevening has scored an exciting new football partnership with Swindon Town Football Club (STFC).

STFC are generously offering one award for applicants from Pakistan wishing to study a master’s degree in Football Coaching or Football Science at either the Solent University or the University Campus of Football Business, Wembley Stadium."

Who is 'generously' paying for that...?

(Chevening is the UK government’s international scholarships and fellowships programme.)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:43:55
I don’t know but shouldn’t we be applauding things like this. A small gesture but a big opportunity for someone to take advantage of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:45:38
I don’t know but shouldn’t we be applauding things like this. A small gesture but a big opportunity for someone to take advantage of.

Weren't we just told that this was nothing to do with the club...? I can't keep up TBH.

And if we are losing X amount per year on a skeleton staff, doesn't charity begin at home?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:49:36
Well, Rob Angus’ replacement is doing OK



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:50:40
Well, Rob Angus’ replacement is doing OK



Very good!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 22, 2023, 13:59:55
So assume Zav will take fees on the Pakistan side, and the club will pay the costs of paying for the university place?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:16:14
I don’t know but shouldn’t we be applauding things like this. A small gesture but a big opportunity for someone to take advantage of.

I'm not sure either, but surely if it's a positive thing - and on the face of it, it very well might be - then Clem/the club should be announcing it (he may have said on his interview but I don't think he did?) rather than people finding out in this way?

Clem has already had his wings clipped about doing things secretly, he probably wants to be careful to make sure stuff like this is announced first, with proper explanations, otherwise he's never going to be able to ride along Trust avenue again with fans.

Personally I think it could have been very positive PR for the club, had it been handled properly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:20:54
He does seem unique in finding ways to contradict himself. I’m hoping he’s just inept . . .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:22:07
Zavs passion project isn’t it? Nothing to do with the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:23:10
So genuinely I'm losing track rather than just being a sarky prick (I am that, but not only that), is the Pakistan academy thing officially part of the club or not at the moment? I'm aware it's been both ours and nothing to do with us, but where are we currently?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:24:07
Fuck knows.

After a Q&A session we still really are none the wiser


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:24:59
Who do the British Government (!) think they are dealing with at the club...!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:25:01
He’s a compulsive liar, unfortunately.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:25:16
I'm not sure either, but surely if it's a positive thing - and on the face of it, it very well might be - then Clem/the club should be announcing it (he may have said on his interview but I don't think he did?) rather than people finding out in this way?

Clem has already had his wings clipped about doing things secretly, he probably wants to be careful to make sure stuff like this is announced first, with proper explanations, otherwise he's never going to be able to ride along Trust avenue again with fans.

Personally I think it could have been very positive PR for the club, had it been handled properly.

What do you actually get through an 'award' anyway, is it just a 'sponsor' and some work experience to make you eligible for a visa or does the sponsor actually pay for the course/accommodation or whatever? Looking on the website for awards from Pakistan nothing seems to show up like this anyway (admittedly it was a very cursory look and I know feck all about Visas etc).

Likewise the thing quoted suggests STFC are offering 'one award'? Is that just for one person?

I imagine their website bods are scratching their heads why there is suddenly so much interest in these scholarships from the Swindon area?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:30:47
I hope these questions are rhetoric Horlock!! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:52:52
Forgive if a duplicate post, but just confirmation of what's been talked about - https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23791190.companies-house-issued-strike-off-deadline-swindon-town-company/?ref=socialflow

oversight wheeled out as the excuse again. Maybe employ more than two people to do important jobs, and put football people in key positions, to stop this dumb shit biting us at every turn. Clem can say we're on his back and always moaning about stuff but when they fuck up the simple stuff repeatedly, how can it be a surprise?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, September 22, 2023, 14:58:51
Would seebeck stuff be handled by STFC bods or by Clem's personal crew?
I'd guess it'd be the latter but would happily be corrected by those with knowledge as opposed to wild guessing :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 22, 2023, 15:33:04
There are recent examples of clubs receiving punishment for this, which tends to include a suspended points deduction. 

Actually I couldn't find one that matched.

Peterborough for e.g. was a more serious charge, so based on that we should be fine rather than fined!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 15:46:51
Would seebeck stuff be handled by STFC bods or by Clem's personal crew?
I'd guess it'd be the latter but would happily be corrected by those with knowledge as opposed to wild guessing :)

As noted earlier I would expect it to be handled by Seebecks accountants whoever they are, now whether they have fucked up of the instructing party have fucked up is an unknown at this stage AFAIK.

The Adver are around 2 months behind the game here!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 15:48:44
What do you actually get through an 'award' anyway, is it just a 'sponsor' and some work experience to make you eligible for a visa or does the sponsor actually pay for the course/accommodation or whatever? Looking on the website for awards from Pakistan nothing seems to show up like this anyway (admittedly it was a very cursory look and I know feck all about Visas etc).

Likewise the thing quoted suggests STFC are offering 'one award'? Is that just for one person?

I imagine their website bods are scratching their heads why there is suddenly so much interest in these scholarships from the Swindon area?

Don't quote me on the funding element, for the actual "course", but as I understand it, that is likely a Govt deal with the scholarship company, so the individual doesn't pay for the course.  Whether or not STFC has to give anything towards it I do not know, my original understanding (which was for the football scholarships, which this may have morphed into) was that we had to Sponsor the course, like a company would need to sponsor an employee.  We may be on the hook for any admin/legal fees on this side of the world if that was so.

Now, in Pakistan, all bets are off - this is where Zav can make some dosh using the good name of STFC.  By using STFC as a Sponsor, and then getting the official seal of approval on the course being run by a Uni and backed by the Govt, he can tout Visa's in Pakistan.  He can use whatever qualifications he chooses to filter potential candidates - such as footballing talent or, much more likely, money.  If it's like other Visa's, there may be the benefit of this being a trojan horse style Visa, where you can bring trailing family.  Of course, every family member will need legal representation and consultancy fees and application fees in Pakistan etc.  (this is entirely legal and pretty common - it cost my company more than $30k in fees to get my family and me to the USA for example, under a very strict immigration process).  As I am now a Permanent Resident, I have pathways to getting more family here if I wished to pursue them, like going for Citizenship.  There are plenty of people in the industry willing to help me, for a fee.

This was a fairly obvious reason for creating a new club in Karachi, rather than using an actual one.

And again, everything listed above is entirely legal.  It's ethically dodgy, but hundreds of thousands of people are involved in such activity every day around the globe as people have a great desire to travel.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, September 22, 2023, 16:44:46
I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"

They've been saying this is all dirty lies from "so called fans" for ages. You get thicker just reading their asinine comments.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 22, 2023, 16:59:54
I gave up on FB group

All I said was "I'll wait and see if what Clem says matches what happens in the future"...

Man they don't like people not believing everything up front directly after being found to have been somewhat secretive with the truth.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, September 22, 2023, 17:25:47
I gave up on FB group

All I said was "I'll wait and see if what Clem says matches what happens in the future"...

Man they don't like people not believing everything up front directly after being found to have been somewhat secretive with the truth.



You got blocked Simon 🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 22, 2023, 17:43:29
Only time will tell if Clem is the real deal but he let himself down by being secretive with the sale of shares and came across very unprofessional letting out odd swear word during his Q&A with Vic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 18:40:15
We do love a statement

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/a-message-from-clem-morfuni


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 22, 2023, 18:50:59
You got blocked Simon 🤣

Haha. I did take the piss out of his use of bold font a bit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 18:51:52
"I'd like to clarify something I said"

Seems par for the course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:03:24
Clem Morfuni sounds more like Lee Power every day


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:05:46
We do love a statement

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/a-message-from-clem-morfuni

He did get that a bit (lot) wrong on the night, and I'm glad he's addressed it.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:06:34
I maybe wrong but don't ever recall Power swearing in a live interview.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:14:19
He did get that a bit (lot) wrong on the night, and I'm glad he's addressed it.



I mean, it wasn't just a lot wrong, it was a fucking re-write.  If anything, the fans gifted the football club a 50% ownership of the Ground, Eady having been a fan.  So the club didn't let the fans have anything.  Some fucking gratitude wouldn't go amiss, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was the Eady Trust pushing for that apology.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:29:36
It was a clumsy and stupid thing to say and I'm glad he's clarified it but I'm really not sure this is some kind of beyond the pale moment that some seem to. I'd be more worried about the things he's done (or not done) than the things he said in the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:36:48
It was a clumsy and stupid thing to say and I'm glad he's clarified it but I'm really not sure this is some kind of beyond the pale moment that some seem to. I'd be more worried about the things he's done (or not done) than the things he said in the moment.

I'm not worried - I think his slips of the tongue just bely the way he operates, which is with very little regard for the fans, despite the PR.  What is clear is that there isn't really a coherent plan in play and it seems evident he is far removed from any details or the operation.  It's a pretty big thing to have occurred in the history of the club, let alone the tenure of Clem.  You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to remember what happened.  But no, a need to show himself to be some fans saviour meant he forgot the details and fucked up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:43:01
I’ve checked out of the ownership issue debates but these fan arguments of “he’s the devil” Vs “he’s our lord and saviour that cannot be questioned” are very reminiscent of the same early Power debates. You’d have hoped as a fan base we’d have learnt something from that and instead realised that the reality is usually at least somewhere in the middle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:45:26
My lack of presence on X or FB probably helps my sanity I presume, because nearly every poster is a shade of grey on here, no?  Very few, if any, going full believer and maybe one or two ready to dig a hole in some dark secluded woods.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:46:23
And 80%+ of the fanbase probably isn't even paying any attention.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:47:21
I’ve checked out of the ownership issue debates but these fan arguments of “he’s the devil” Vs “he’s our lord and saviour that cannot be questioned” are very reminiscent of the same early Power debates. You’d have hoped as a fan base we’d have learnt something from that and instead realised that the reality is usually at least somewhere in the middle.

Was the reality with Power “somewhere in the middle”?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:48:35
Was the reality with Power “somewhere in the middle”?

“At least”. I could have worded that better to be honest but it’s a Friday night


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:51:14
I’m confused as to the point of that statement, he doesn’t actually admit that what he said on Wednesday was a complete fabrication of the truth or apologise for it. It’s clear in his own head he believes what he said on Wednesday is the real ‘truth’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:52:45
Was the reality with Power “somewhere in the middle”?

You see, it could be.  Just very far to one side.  If we follow the advice of some, and ignore the behind the scenes stuff because it's not our club and we can't change anything, then Power managed a Div 3 Play Off Final, a further Div 3 Play Off finish and a L2 Championship alongside a record transfer fee received (I'm ignoring the two relegations to the bottom Division for the sake of making a stupid point).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:53:30
“At least”. I could have worded that better to be honest but it’s a Friday night

Yeah, sorry, I’m not lawyering you! Just making the point that we are fresh off the back of Jed and Power, both of whom would have gladly seen the club wiped from the map.

I actually like Clem, which I could not say of those arseholes.

I’m undecided about his intentions. I suspect he simply can’t shake off the hangers on for reasons as yet unclear that we could speculate about, and is basically rather naive, not a details guy and in over his head.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, September 22, 2023, 19:55:06
You see, it could be.  Just very far to one side.  If we follow the advice of some, and ignore the behind the scenes stuff because it's not our club and we can't change anything, then Power managed a Div 3 Play Off Final, a further Div 3 Play Off finish and a L2 Championship alongside a record transfer fee received (I'm ignoring the two relegations to the bottom Division for the sake of making a stupid point).

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Lee Power would be a cracking lower league salaried Director of Football.

When it comes to business, he’s got the fecal touch, by design, and shouldn’t be allowed near another one again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, September 22, 2023, 20:00:37
My opinion on it at this stage is that Clem has the right intentions but is doing a lot of things very wrong and bringing a lot of avoidable heat on himself.

But since the last ownership, I’ve been extremely guarded and sceptical of the new owners and I think fans are well within their rights to be. My point was more that I don’t like how fans who are justifiably sceptical of things are shut down so quickly by other fans without a reasonable response just as much as I don’t like how some fans are clearly making up shit to throw at Clem (the foundation park stuff etc).

At the end of the day, we’ve just come out of the last ownership where people were calling them out extremely early (way before they actually left) and got shut down by other fans instantly without much reasonable reverse argument and a lot of those early shouts ended up having some truth. You’d have hoped we’d have learnt from that. So I don’t blame anyone for asking questions.

I’ve seen very few debates on this that are a reasonable middle on both sides, it’s always at least one side is in the “he’s the devil” or the “he’s our saviour that can do no wrong” camp and it’s just mind numbing to read because there’s never going to to be a reasonable debate there when one half is like that.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 22, 2023, 20:36:06
Quote from: RobertT
What is clear is that there isn't really a coherent plan in play and it seems evident he is far removed from any details or the operation.  .

see putting aside the legit/stooge for shysters stuff, this is the most concerning.

one minute he's accepting that football clubs lost money, the next he sort of says he doesn't want to put more money in...

if we are losing 500k-1m* then I'm still none the wiser if he's intending to put the cash in it rack up the debts while flailing around.

* if..

not that there's is a thing we can do


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, September 22, 2023, 23:15:41
see putting aside the legit/stooge for shysters stuff, this is the most concerning.

one minute he's accepting that football clubs lost money, the next he sort of says he doesn't want to put more money in...

if we are losing 500k-1m* then I'm still none the wiser if he's intending to put the cash in it rack up the debts while flailing around.

* if..

not that there's is a thing we can do

You seem a bit fixated on the £500k-£1m losses, while it's far from ideal.  It's part of being a league 2 team, in fact it's probably better than most.

The potential loss will be if we don't sell any players, no cup runs, on a certain level of attendance. If any of them come off, then it will start to eat into the loss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 00:00:53
I think Batch is saying the worry is more the lack of clarity over what it means.  Is it that we accept such a loss and run with it or is Clem saying we have to make cuts, still?  The number hasn't changed either, so have previous Operational cost savings been matched by a loss in Revenue?

It's the detail and the implication that is missing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 02:30:07
I still have an issue where CM seems still confused whether monies that he needed to find to clear debentures are causing the loses.
My understanding is these payments are clearly part of the purchase of the club. This is a capital purchase
If our income has risen with paying punters through the gate, many more sponsors and continued sales of players (Wakelyn even Ellis to Colchester and several to Creepies) and then a fee for a previous manager. (Lindsay). Profits from F and B on matchdays.
Our expenses have dropped with less ground rent for the County ground. Less players and their wages. No obvious repairs and maintenance at the ground.
I might be missing something but sorry to say based on these facts... something is not right.
Also the statement from the owner that no interest is being charged on money he has introduced.

This club must be in a far better financial position than 90% of all teams in this division.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: @MacPhlea on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 05:59:35
Has it been confirmed that these are  operating losses? Because, if they are then we all need to be concerned as it would indicate the club is not viable even after al the cost savings.

The other alternative is that these losses are as a result of ‘writing off’ things from previous accounting years that are incorrectly sat on the ledger as assets that simply don’t exist… which seems to me to be more likely and understandable when it’s difficult to put a figure on something when thing keep being uncovered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 06:08:48
I think Batch is saying the worry is more the lack of clarity over what it means.  Is it that we accept such a loss and run with it or is Clem saying we have to make cuts, still?  The number hasn't changed either, so have previous Operational cost savings been matched by a loss in Revenue?

It's the detail and the implication that is missing.

Clem is funding any deficit, or he would lose all his investment? 

The number has been quoted for quite a while and I'm sure is a worse case, very few clubs are 'viable' in league two or any league unfortunately.

A lot of work has been carried out on the stadium this summer, which isn't going to help, I doubt it would all be capital costs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 06:20:55
I still have an issue where CM seems still confused whether monies that he needed to find to clear debentures are causing the loses.
My understanding is these payments are clearly part of the purchase of the club. This is a capital purchase
If our income has risen with paying punters through the gate, many more sponsors and continued sales of players (Wakelyn even Ellis to Colchester and several to Creepies) and then a fee for a previous manager. (Lindsay). Profits from F and B on matchdays.
Our expenses have dropped with less ground rent for the County ground. Less players and their wages. No obvious repairs and maintenance at the ground.
I might be missing something but sorry to say based on these facts... something is not right.
Also the statement from the owner that no interest is being charged on money he has introduced.

This club must be in a far better financial position than 90% of all teams in this division.



I think you are confused here, the £0.5m-£1.0m loss can't be caused by the £2.95m debenture and Clem hasn't said that?

You are making a lot of assumptions here, we have sacked managers (we are paying them until October?), Significant spending on the stadium, SL compensation was last year, you have no idea what the player budget is... I could go on.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 07:34:14
Agreed... I have no idea what the player budget is. Supposedly We are 4 players lite.

3.0k per week per player =600k per year.

Less rent to be paid on the County ground = 0000.00 per annum.

Skeleton commercial staffing.

Remember this is a football club that has regular home attendance of 9000 plus in league 2.

Not Cheltenham 3.5k FGR with 3k and Barrow with similar.

The potential here is simply huge










Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 08:14:57
To put the loss in perspective, Dale Vince is reportedly putting in £4m a year to keep FGR going.

On the basis that we get about 6,000 more fans on a home game than them, at an average of £15 per ticket (which was more than was reported in the AB), that equates to us being £2m a year worse off.

So shows how we could be losing the sums mentioned


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 09:00:17
to put it into perspective, Dale Vince can afford it!

But points taken.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 09:03:22
Quote
I think Batch is saying the worry is more the lack of clarity over what it means.  Is it that we accept such a loss and run with it or is Clem saying we have to make cuts, still?  The number hasn't changed either, so have previous Operational cost savings been matched by a loss in Revenue?

It's the detail and the implication that is missing.
that's exactly it. I've no idea what the costs are, so I'm not saying 'where's the money going ' .

I'm simply saying

1. can Clem afford to cover it. if not then what.

2. I know inflation and maintenance has been a shit, but have we really made no progress on the deficit. I'm hoping one off costs like playing Morris off over time, and getting the generator in have inflated the true picture

edit: @see mcfleas post. that's it exactly.

I did ask for clarification on the Clem call, but it got skipped (nothing untoward there I don't think, just Vic struggling to keep up with questions)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 09:12:16
to put it into perspective, Dale Vince can afford it!

But points taken.

My point was trying to show to those asking how we can be losing money on 9000 crowds, when FGR are only getting 3000 how it is explainable.

Clearly Clem isn’t in that category


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 09:13:21

Remember this is a football club that has regular home attendance of 9000 plus in league 2.


Agree with a lot of your post but just a point here that when you consider ST holders who have already paid, subsidised and free tickets plus concessions... That isn't 9000 fans paying full price.

Also that is starting to drop sub 9 a bit more frequently. I'm sure that'll go back up if our recent on pitch success continues.

It would be nice if a rich dude took a punt on us but that does come with huge risk. If Vince gets bored of FGR, they're screwed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 09:15:34
Quote from: STFC_Manc
Clem is funding any deficit, or he would lose all his investment? 

is he? at one point he said he will, then at another he said he didn't really want to put more money in.

I get your point, I don't know how deep good pockets are though

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The number has been quoted for quite a while and I'm sure is a worse case,

I though the words used were "at least" (500k-1m)


Quote
very few clubs are 'viable' in league two or any league unfortunately.
.

indeed. however the stated aim is day to day breakeven with (I guess) extraordinary events being 'made up'.

I guess there's nothing as fans were can do even if we knew. so do we need to know?

if Clem is more fluid than it looks and is able to support the club then it's a non issue anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 09:16:24
Agree with a lot of your post but just a point here that when you consider ST holders who have already paid, subsidised and free tickets plus concessions... That isn't 9000 fans paying full price.

Also that is starting to drop sub 9 a bit more frequently. I'm sure that'll go back up if our recent on pitch success continues.

It would be nice if a rich dude took a punt on us but that does come with huge risk. If Vince gets bored of FGR, they're screwed.

 If Vince gets bored of FGR, they're screwed.

Same goes for a lot of clubs. He’s using it for publicity purposes and no doubt some form of offset against ecotricity profits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 10:27:19
I’ve checked out of the ownership issue debates but these fan arguments of “he’s the devil” Vs “he’s our lord and saviour that cannot be questioned” are very reminiscent of the same early Power debates. You’d have hoped as a fan base we’d have learnt something from that and instead realised that the reality is usually at least somewhere in the middle.

Regarding Power, it wasn't. One side was right and one was wrong.

I tend to think Satan himself may have left us in a better position.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 10:30:58
And 80%+ of the fanbase probably isn't even paying any attention.

Most of the ones on Facebook in the Clem can do no wrong camp (particularly that Ian chap) demonstrate time and time again they have no earthly clue what anyone is going on about, yet still see fit to call people 'so called supporters' and tell everyone we should back and trust Clem wholeheartedly anyway.

Cretins.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 10:34:04
Yeah, sorry, I’m not lawyering you! Just making the point that we are fresh off the back of Jed and Power, both of whom would have gladly seen the club wiped from the map.

I actually like Clem, which I could not say of those arseholes.

I’m undecided about his intentions. I suspect he simply can’t shake off the hangers on for reasons as yet unclear that we could speculate about, and is basically rather naive, not a details guy and in over his head.

I struggle to buy that though if he is the sole owner. It must be a case of won't rather than can't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 11:37:09
Tails... I appreciate your comments however Season ticket holders have paid their dues in advance (money in the bank)
Having attended matches at the County ground this season where I purchased  a matchday program, very average Cornish pasty, a beer and 10 pound for a car park. And the 21 pound entry ticket. Could have paid less due to age !!!
So the revenue on the day is definitely not 15 pound per attendee
That said... really enjoyed the football and will visit everytime I am in the UK.
Yes I will be watching today's game at 3am Sunday morning COYRS


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 13:54:43
Aren't they pretty much one and the same, albeit I suppose it would avoid Kiely and the lawyer guy being partially liable I suppose.

Yep, but I think I was making the point that it should not be done to the FC to pay back Clem - it should be a personal cheque - but equally we wont know as it would just be rolled into the £x000's that Clem says he has put into the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 15:59:34
I raised this point previously.  I reckon Clem is confusing cash and profit/loss.  He is equating the constant need to pay down debt as what he calls making a loss.  He is right on the cash front - he will need to pay money from his own pocket, even if we are at break even, to pay down debt.

Now, there are two ways I can see this - it's tough on him, it does burn his cash reserves.  I feel sorry for him having to pick that up.

But, he purchased the club and when you do that you assume the Balance Sheet as well as the P&L.  He said he had enough to cover 7m, so he has not even reached that number yet.  If he was telling us the truth, he could have paid it all down on day one.  It's another case of bullshit.  He clearly did not have that money to hand, but thought he could spread it (which is actually a sensible thing to do, I'm not knocking that).  But doing so means you accept you will likely be paying out of pocket for a few years because there is no way the club makes a profit sufficient to give cash reserves to do so.

So, Clem is either economical with the truth, or a bit shit a running a football club (or somewhere in-between them).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 16:22:40
We were £7.4m in debt, and thats now down to £600k.

On the basis that we (like pretty much all football clubs) are not generally making profits where do we think the £6.8m came from?

Then add on top the stadium maintenance that had been neglected by our mate Lee for the last few years


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 16:27:40
We were £7.4m in debt, and thats now down to £600k.

On the basis that we (like pretty much all football clubs) are not generally making profits where do we think the £6.8m came from?

Then add on top the stadium maintenance that had been neglected by our mate Lee for the last few years

But that is my point - it was known, and it is not impacting the ability of the club to make a profit or loss.  Debt being paid down is not an Operating Loss - we already made the loss in past years which is why we have so much debt.  He should have known that when he purchased the club - so I think he is confusing his debt payments as a loss.  If we are break even, he still has to dip his hand in his pocket to pay off the "bad" debt.  There is no surplus.

He keeps saying losing a million a year - more likely, debt repayments are about that on top of the Operating position.  We made a profit in Year One, it's possible we made a small loss in Year two given some of the likely cost increases on the playing/management side.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 16:46:34
But, he purchased the club and when you do that you assume the Balance Sheet as well as the P&L.  He said he had enough to cover 7m, so he has not even reached that number yet.  If he was telling us the truth, he could have paid it all down on day one.  It's another case of bullshit. 

He’s paid off £6.8m of debt, as well as picking up other costs. Would suggest that he’s got “near” the £7m number.

To be fair to him, I’ve heard that Power hadn’t produced any accurate accounts for some time so the actual debt position wasn’t obvious. In normal circumstances I’m sure anyone buying the club would have wanted to see a more accurate financial picture, however as we all know the takeover was all very last minute. I guess he could (and probably should) have walked away once he got an accurate picture, but fuck knows where we’d have been now if he did.

As I mentioned earlier we are probably taking about £2m a year more in gate receipts than FGR, yet Vince is having to put in £4m a year to cover the costs, so surely it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we are losing £500k (without having to pay historic debt)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 16:58:26
We already know our position on P&L - we have an audited set of accounts from Clem, we made a profit.

It's not unlikely that we made a loss second season, but that is not "losing a million a year".

He may well have put what he said he had into the club, but that was the expectation when he purchased the club - he said he could cover 7m.  I just think he has confused some of that with P&L, it has nothing to do with P&L now.  It is not an operating loss now, it's not even a hit to EBITDA.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 17:58:34
We already know our position on P&L - we have an audited set of accounts from Clem, we made a profit.

We do now, but what was the position 3 years ago when Power was forced to sell?


I’m assuming like any business they project expected income & expenditure for the year/season.

Presumably based on their projections they expect to lose that amount this year/season, hopefully based on losing in the first round of the cup so that progress & a Man City type draw or a playoff final or better still promotion would mean we have a better financial result.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 21:32:36
We already know our position on P&L - we have an audited set of accounts from Clem, we made a profit.

It's not unlikely that we made a loss second season, but that is not "losing a million a year".

He may well have put what he said he had into the club, but that was the expectation when he purchased the club - he said he could cover 7m.  I just think he has confused some of that with P&L, it has nothing to do with P&L now.  It is not an operating loss now, it's not even a hit to EBITDA.

I think you are kind of missing the mark with the profit we made that year and then the likely loss.  We had a great cup run and we had a salary cap In place, which kept player wages artificial lower than normal and I'm sure we had a lot more stadium maintenance to do, as we did this year. We could easily be losing between £0.5-£1m a year.

We will have to wait and see for the next audited accounts.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 22:32:33
I am not missing the point - I am just stating that the factual evidence does not support a statement of we are losing between 500k and 1m per year.  We only have one full years accounts, and we made a profit.  We haven't completed this financial year, so we can't use it to make a statement of fact about performance (we could still sell a player for money in January for example, we did sell Wakeling for money and so on).  We have one other season not yet accounted for, we may have lost 500k on that one, but it doesn't support a statement of we are losing that A year - that suggests continual performance.

It's simple Accounting - Loss does not equal Cash drain.  It can do, but they are not the same thing.  A business can go into Liquidation while making a profit and a business can continue trading for years while making Losses on paper.

I am, not doubting any of the claims about debt values and money put into the club, not at all.

I also do not doubt that to be a top three team in this league we have to probably lose money doing it.

Clem has not stated whether we are going to cut costs or he is willing to chuck more cash in - Batch's point.  He has thrown a number out, with little evidence (none to support it that he has produced by the way) and no context, or description of what the plan is because of it.

As an example - the Debenture cost, based on statements made, 2.9m to pay off.  Not a penny of that is going to show up in the P&L account, but it is certainly painful for someone.  We could end up this season making a profit, but it costs Clem several million to support the club for that same year.

Football, as a business, is all about making what you can when the good times roll - so you can't just say, "Oh, the Man City game was a one off".  It is all part of trading as a football club - nobody made us spend the money we made, we could bank it if we think it's a one off, or use it against debt.  Same goes for the Wakeling sale - more profit (we would bank the profit of his sale vs the cost to acquire him, assuming he was counted as an Asset in the Balance Sheet).  Another one off - see the theme, they are not one off's, they are precisely the operating model we said we were using.  Get young players and sell for profit, make some money on cup runs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, September 23, 2023, 22:34:38
Also, in Accounting terms, we made a few profits in financial years under Power - usually because we sold players for profits.  He "accidently" forgot to include the Ritchie one (Standing later forcing that one into the books) and we may have made more profits if he wasn't also charging the club for services!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, September 24, 2023, 07:02:06
I am not missing the point - I am just stating that the factual evidence does not support a statement of we are losing between 500k and 1m per year.  We only have one full years accounts, and we made a profit.  We haven't completed this financial year, so we can't use it to make a statement of fact about performance (we could still sell a player for money in January for example, we did sell Wakeling for money and so on).  We have one other season not yet accounted for, we may have lost 500k on that one, but it doesn't support a statement of we are losing that A year - that suggests continual performance.

It's simple Accounting - Loss does not equal Cash drain.  It can do, but they are not the same thing.  A business can go into Liquidation while making a profit and a business can continue trading for years while making Losses on paper.

I am, not doubting any of the claims about debt values and money put into the club, not at all.

I also do not doubt that to be a top three team in this league we have to probably lose money doing it.

Clem has not stated whether we are going to cut costs or he is willing to chuck more cash in - Batch's point.  He has thrown a number out, with little evidence (none to support it that he has produced by the way) and no context, or description of what the plan is because of it.

As an example - the Debenture cost, based on statements made, 2.9m to pay off.  Not a penny of that is going to show up in the P&L account, but it is certainly painful for someone.  We could end up this season making a profit, but it costs Clem several million to support the club for that same year.

Football, as a business, is all about making what you can when the good times roll - so you can't just say, "Oh, the Man City game was a one off".  It is all part of trading as a football club - nobody made us spend the money we made, we could bank it if we think it's a one off, or use it against debt.  Same goes for the Wakeling sale - more profit (we would bank the profit of his sale vs the cost to acquire him, assuming he was counted as an Asset in the Balance Sheet).  Another one off - see the theme, they are not one off's, they are precisely the operating model we said we were using.  Get young players and sell for profit, make some money on cup runs.

So you are arguing that we have no way to know that the figure is correct - shock horrow no we don't.  I made several points that suggest it was a one off  profit and referenced that they may come back this year but they weren't around last year, so I would expect a loss for last year.

You keep making the same point about debt, yet the debenture was £2.95m, so if Clem was confused on that the loss would be much larger?

I can see Batch's point of will he continue to fund this but my response is that he would lose all his money if he let the club go into admin, so for now I can't see the sense of him not continiung to fund any losses.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, September 24, 2023, 08:25:30
Which is precisely why Power was keen to put us in admin - it wasn’t his money to lose by doing so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, September 24, 2023, 08:57:25
Which is precisely why Power was keen to put us in admin - it wasn’t his money to lose by doing so.

How that cunt sleeps at night is a mystery to me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, September 24, 2023, 09:29:43
How that cunt sleeps at night is a mystery to me.

Because like every other criminal he doesn’t give a shit about his victims.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 24, 2023, 09:48:35
Because like every other criminal he doesn’t give a shit about his victims.
Except most criminals don't have about 25,000 victims!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, September 24, 2023, 20:41:57
It's just business, happens all the time, unfortunately


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, September 25, 2023, 08:53:17
He’s paid off £6.8m of debt, as well as picking up other costs. Would suggest that he’s got “near” the £7m number.
It could be my interpretation that's off here, but I don't think that's accurate.

From the AB minutes:
Chairman Clem Morfuni has to-date injected c£6m into Swindon Town, to help stabilise the club finances.
The accounts will reflect that this is owed back to him, however no interest will be due, and there is no timeframe for repayment

The debt exists, it's been transferred to CM.
(I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this or that there are nefarious actions afoot. Just looking to clarify understanding)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 25, 2023, 10:16:47
It could be my interpretation that's off here, but I don't think that's accurate.

From the AB minutes:
Chairman Clem Morfuni has to-date injected c£6m into Swindon Town, to help stabilise the club finances.
The accounts will reflect that this is owed back to him, however no interest will be due, and there is no timeframe for repayment

The debt exists, it's been transferred to CM.
(I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this or that there are nefarious actions afoot. Just looking to clarify understanding)

I think you are correct, the football club owes Clem the money, but as the current owner he effectively owes it to himself. I’m assuming he is only likely to want it back if/when he sells up.

The point was the the clubs external debt has been reduced by £6.8m since July 21 and that has (predominantly) been funded by Clem.

It was to answer the suggestion by Rob that Clem hadn’t got near the £7m he said that he had to put into the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, September 25, 2023, 10:56:04
So what are you saying.
Morfuni purchased the club for an amount reported to be in the region of 250k.
And then its claimed loaned the club 7 million to pay off debts.?
So in reality Morfuni has purchased the club as a going concern for 7.250 million debt free.
Well established football club with a solid supporter base of 9000 for 7.25 million. This going concern has the security of a 50% ownership in the ground.
There are players currently on the books with a value such as Hutton RHM and others. Other PE from Scott Twine and Wakelyn future Say in total 1.5 million
Based on the above
Has he or has he not got a good buy here


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:25:36
Clem "will not take a penny from the club"

Chris Kiely provides data and recruitment services. Sandro Di Michele was hired as a technical director presumably to support those services. Adam Hart provides S&C services, after the rest of the team have gone to Crawley.

How much does the club pay for these services, and also - why?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:27:38
Those are all services that a club at our level would reasonably want to have. If it paid something around market rate for them then that's fine, right?

The only questionable "hire" in terms of whether the club needs one would be our Chief Sustainability Officer... but I assume that's an unpaid role, considering it also appears to come without influence or work attached.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:28:30
Of course. But do many clubs have the data management guy loaning them a few million in a pinch?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:37:30
Of course. But do many clubs have the data management guy loaning them a few million in a pinch?

Which is precisely why the terms of the loan would be very important to question if you were the Trust and looking into the finances, as was agreed.  What we know is that shares exchanged hands and the Memorandum and Articles of Association were updated at the same time - which means the rules for running the business were changed.  It's no unreasonable to think both are linked.

Even then, the fact someone stands to make money if we make money, you can kind of live with - you'd want the club to state clearly the position and how it benefits the club, to avoid the appearance of any Power style book keeping.

I am not saying Clem hasn't put his own money up, I am just saying the only evidence we have of the trading/operating position, financially, currently does not support a statement of losing 500k-1m per year.  And if we are indeed now losing that amount, in year three, after increases in Revenue from the POwer period (peak Power period) and reduction in squad size this season, it begs the question how is that now being funded if Clem had reached his limit?  I was trying to say that Clem himself may have confused trading position with cash position - where he has to keep paying off that remaining external debt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 11:40:09
Which is precisely why the terms of the loan would be very important to question if you were the Trust and looking into the finances, as was agreed.  What we know is that shares exchanged hands and the Memorandum and Articles of Association were updated at the same time - which means the rules for running the business were changed.  It's no unreasonable to think both are linked.

Even then, the fact someone stands to make money if we make money, you can kind of live with - you'd want the club to state clearly the position and how it benefits the club, to avoid the appearance of any Power style book keeping.

I am not saying Clem hasn't put his own money up, I am just saying the only evidence we have of the trading/operating position, financially, currently does not support a statement of losing 500k-1m per year.  And if we are indeed now losing that amount, in year three, after increases in Revenue from the POwer period (peak Power period) and reduction in squad size this season, it begs the question how is that now being funded if Clem had reached his limit?  I was trying to say that Clem himself may have confused trading position with cash position - where he has to keep paying off that remaining external debt.

It would be good to know the terms of the loan's, is there an agreed repayment date with a certain level of interest attached ? assume that when Clem pays these off that will be more money owed to him, so will end up acceding the £7m.

I wonder if any of the money we have received for player sales have gone / are going to repay any of the debt owed to Clem, to bring that down, he does not strike you a someone who has millions lying around he must have a ceiling without having to use external borrowing, I know there are still a couple of historical debts owed to the FL but the appear to be being paid slowly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 11:54:55
the Memorandum and Articles of Association were updated at the same time - which means the rules for running the business were changed. 

Can anyone summarise the changes in laymans terms? I'll try and look later if not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 12:35:58
You'd need a contract/business law expert to be honest - needless to say there were a lot more words in the newer version, including the addition of Pre-emption rights - although I didn't see anything like values in this lot.  I don't know if there would be other contractual documents in existence alongside this, the Companies House bit only requires certain docs to be registered.

You couldn't read, I don't think, and spot any obvious 'Ah Ha's"

The Pre-emption rights for example, is likely just a sensible way of protecting your investment as non-controlling interest shareholder.  It gives them the right to bid/match (I think) any potential purchases of Clems shareholding.

My interest was peaked more by the fact they were updated at the time of the Loan - suggests it's a bit more nuanced than handing over some cash and getting some Shares as security.  For starters, the lack of any notification of debts being secured means that it's not technically that type of deal.  The shares did change hands - they are not being held for security, legally.  They are now owned by the new investors - there may also be a loan agreement in place somewhere, details of which are not public.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 12:45:24
It would be good to know the terms of the loan's, is there an agreed repayment date with a certain level of interest attached ? assume that when Clem pays these off that will be more money owed to him, so will end up acceding the £7m.

I wonder if any of the money we have received for player sales have gone / are going to repay any of the debt owed to Clem, to bring that down, he does not strike you a someone who has millions lying around he must have a ceiling without having to use external borrowing, I know there are still a couple of historical debts owed to the FL but the appear to be being paid slowly.


Yes, the loan terms are important, especially given the scale.  On paper, it seems like the share ownership change was made in the Holding Co.  We do not know where and how the cash was funneled, did they loan the Holding Co which in turn loaned the STFC business the money to settle the  Debentures? or was it recorded as a Share Capital investment? Or a mix of both?  If the Holding Co loaned the money through, on what terms?  And so on.  It's not like it is a few grand, it's near 3m and caused 22% of the Shareholding to exchange hands and put the new Shareholders in the driving seat for any potential future change in ownership (if I understand things correctly).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 13:23:10
Thanks Rob


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 23:18:57
Yes, the loan terms are important, especially given the scale.  On paper, it seems like the share ownership change was made in the Holding Co.  We do not know where and how the cash was funneled, did they loan the Holding Co which in turn loaned the STFC business the money to settle the  Debentures? or was it recorded as a Share Capital investment? Or a mix of both?  If the Holding Co loaned the money through, on what terms?  And so on.  It's not like it is a few grand, it's near 3m and caused 22% of the Shareholding to exchange hands and put the new Shareholders in the driving seat for any potential future change in ownership (if I understand things correctly).

I would hope it wasn't £3m for 22% or that would put the value of STFC at c£14m! We aren't likely to find out until the accounts are out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 01:00:15
During a time of needing a macro understanding of Commerial law. It was explained to me that the rights of a minority shareholder was basically f@ck all. Except for being a nuisance.
That said seem to remember that if you had less than 23% of the total shareholding you were unable to stop or defer any major financial transactions of the said company.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 05:02:44
Still nothing on companies house for Seebeck 87 despite Clem saying they were filed last week. Is it normal that Companies House can take so long to update? The warning about late accounts still remains. But I'm not sure if down to shoddy admin or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: wokinghamred on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 06:59:28
 It can take a few days for documents to be recorded - up to a week or so.
When they are available it will show the date they were filed with Companies House though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 11:33:44
I would hope it wasn't £3m for 22% or that would put the value of STFC at c£14m! We aren't likely to find out until the accounts are out.

Which is why the deal details would be important to know if you were the Trust.  The public musings of Clem would indeed support the fact it was a 3m for 22% transaction, but he also said it's a loan and he also threw out another number of 1.45m at one point when slipping into more of the timeline.  It may be that it's a bit of a loan and a bit of share purchase, but then he also said he was getting the shares back, which suggests all if it was a "loan".  Basically, none of it fully adds up still - we don't seem to have all the variables in the formula is the issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 11:47:30
Which is why the deal details would be important to know if you were the Trust.  The public musings of Clem would indeed support the fact it was a 3m for 22% transaction, but he also said it's a loan and he also threw out another number of 1.45m at one point when slipping into more of the timeline.  It may be that it's a bit of a loan and a bit of share purchase, but then he also said he was getting the shares back, which suggests all if it was a "loan".  Basically, none of it fully adds up still - we don't seem to have all the variables in the formula is the issue.

Didn't he say that the debentures were £2.95m, but that he was able to raise around half of it himself, which would mean that he borrowed the other half. As you say he has said the shares were used as security for the money which suggests it was a loan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 14:18:05
Didn't he say that the debentures were £2.95m, but that he was able to raise around half of it himself, which would mean that he borrowed the other half. As you say he has said the shares were used as security for the money which suggests it was a loan.

Yep agree with you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 17:28:23
As it stands right now, there are zero legal charges registered against Swindon Town Football Club:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/charges

and none ever registered, that I can see, for Seebeck 87 or Swinton Reds 20

If the shares were used as Security for a loan, they were not registered as such.  A share transfer did occur - so the language being used is not accurate, legally speaking, it seems.  There would need to be some other type of contractual obligation drawn up that may speak to something like "being held as security", but the assets of the business were not used as collateral in the deal they struck.

The only public info we have, that is fact, is that the business had a share dilution, then transferred a % of those new shares to the new share owners and changed the rules of the business at the same time, and four debentures against STFC Ltd were satisfied.

I'm not harping on because any of that is "bad", just that we do not hold the full facts and nothing stated gives us the full facts as yet.  The Trust should want to know that when reviewing the financial position of  the club, which I believe they were doing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, September 27, 2023, 20:55:40
I've always assumed the "security" meant shares transferred with a buyback clause (whether that was a written contract or otherwise)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: @MacPhlea on Thursday, September 28, 2023, 07:53:21
As I understand there are two ways a loan can be secured

As a charge at Companies house to register the debt but this can been seen as a negative toward credit ratings

Or

As a share holding with a loan agreement linked to the return of the shares on repayment.  This shows up as a normal shareholding at companies house but does not place a charge against the company.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 28, 2023, 11:37:41
As I understand there are two ways a loan can be secured

As a charge at Companies house to register the debt but this can been seen as a negative toward credit ratings

Or

As a share holding with a loan agreement linked to the return of the shares on repayment.  This shows up as a normal shareholding at companies house but does not place a charge against the company.

Standard practice wpuld be to have that loan agreement in place with the Shares held as collateral, so they'd be handed over in the event the terms of the loan were not met.  I could be wrong, but nothing I am aware of suggests handing over the shares is usually part part of the agreement upfront.  On top of that, the Memorandum and Articles of Association changed at the same time, which suggests a nuanced deal was agreed with more benefits than just shares.  None of which is untoward, in fact, it all seems perfectly logical for such a large sum, we just don't know and we only know this much because supporters du around.  Clem had no intention of letting anyone know this had happened, or that the club owed any money (not sure how that would have got through the production of accounts, maybe it's the reason Seebecks were missed?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 29, 2023, 12:02:56
Having just read the article in the Adver which came from an interview with Hall, it does look to me like they are conflating the cash and net financial position to Clem with what we would normally describe as Operating profit or loss.

His comments make it clear they see sustainable as operating PLUS paying down the 7m in debt.

That is a perfectly legitimate goal to have I suppose - it's not my money and if it was, I'd probably want some back.  However, it makes it clear that the debt is still debt - the long term goal being to repay it all.  The club, or a sale of the business, needs to make Clem his money back.

The comments seem to back-up what I was suggesting, that Clem is counting the extra funds he has to keep giving to pay down the external debt when he assesses the financial loss each year - hence the "keep losing 500k-1m" comments.  At least that is how I read it.  

This is why, if I were running the Trust, I'd be working on Clems exit for him.  I know there is a lot of doubt a fan owned model would work here, but they don't need to be looking for that option, they can act as a broker for a long term investor as well, or have a shared deal, like they brokered for the Ground, or have multiple investors etc.  They probably have a few years to get something sorted if Clem is looking to recoup his money (he won't be expecting it back right now, probably once development financing is secured at the earliest).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 29, 2023, 12:41:29
Another week, another partner. I wonder how much all these partnerships are worth.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/town-announce-powerwash-contractors-as-a-new-internal-and-external-advertising-partner-for-20232024-season/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 29, 2023, 12:43:51
Another week, another partner. I wonder how much all these partnerships are worth.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/town-announce-powerwash-contractors-as-a-new-internal-and-external-advertising-partner-for-20232024-season/

Not much, some are just Contra type deals - no money involved at all, but services exchanged.  I think some of them are no more than Advertising board names as well, so little more than 4 figures.  It is one thing they seem to have done a pretty good job of, certainly I'd be very happy as one of the sponsors for the effort the club (individual person I think) put in to get their name out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 29, 2023, 14:23:07
Our new CEO

https://youtu.be/sC0HyvWm1Ns?si=JXIBbxGgy75L78a6


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, September 30, 2023, 08:14:43
Sleep easy all, seebeck accounts lodged and striking off discontinued....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 30, 2023, 09:35:07
Quote from: horlock07
Sleep easy all, seebeck accounts lodged and striking off discontinued....

good news. first test of truth passed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 13:11:58
I see the clubs partnership with Recast for the documentary thing lasted long.

Recast have gone bust


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 6, 2023, 10:56:49
Sleep easy all, seebeck accounts lodged and striking off discontinued....

Has anyone done an overview of them or are they meaningless being the holding co ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 6, 2023, 11:06:04
Pretty pointless with it being the holding co. with a single employee (Clem).
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08323017/filing-history/MzM5NDk3ODc1NWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, October 10, 2023, 10:13:23
Anyone have any idea if the Trust are continuing to question the club/Clem about this silliness?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 12:22:33
I see we are going to push enviornemntal sustainabilty by not continuing to fly to games

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67067513


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 12:30:53
soapy tit wank like we could conceivably afford to in the next 10 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 12:37:47
soapy tit wank like we could conceivably afford to in the next 10 years.

Pure comedy. When did they last take a flight? The Copa Ibiza?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 12:44:21
Di Canio did a little italian training camp I think, has to be then. But yeah for an actual game probably Copa Ibiza.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 12:46:45
I think this falls under "meaningless virtue signalling."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 12:50:23
Di Canio did a little italian training camp I think, has to be then. But yeah for an actual game probably Copa Ibiza.

We also played an Everton development side in Spain in 2019.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 13:08:10
We also played an Everton development side in Spain in 2019.

They went on pedalo's to that!  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 13:20:15
.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 13:38:41
I suspect Mike Summerbee and Ernie Hunt were on our last flight for a league game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 14:13:21
If somebody ever gets around to sorting the action item on the AB minutes about adding a cycle rack to the County Ground (how fucking long does that take?), then the team could all cycle to games.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 14:30:52
Just got an email to say 'Recast entered administration' and I wondered why the hell I had received it and who the hell are Recast and then it twigged, they were that company that did those little 'documentary' style videos a few years back.

Huge success that was, evidently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 14:34:59
Just got an email to say 'Recast entered administration' and I wondered why the hell I had received it and who the hell are Recast and then it twigged, they were that company that did those little 'documentary' style videos a few years back.

Huge success that was, evidently.

You were scooped by Tansmedia about a week ago on that story!  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 14:40:12
If somebody ever gets around to sorting the action item on the AB minutes about adding a cycle rack to the County Ground (how fucking long does that take?), then the team could all cycle to games.

Talking of which, the next one must be due soon...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 15:06:23
Just got an email to say 'Recast entered administration' and I wondered why the hell I had received it and who the hell are Recast and then it twigged, they were that company that did those little 'documentary' style videos a few years back.

Huge success that was, evidently.


Haha, I got this. I was trying to work out what and who it was! So thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 15:08:48
Last two AB's were on:
15 Sep - minutes released 19th Sep
15 Aug - minutes released 25th Aug

The trust haven't tweeted about it inviting questions


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 15:16:53
Last two AB's were on:
15 Sep - minutes released 19th Sep
15 Aug - minutes released 25th Aug

The trust haven't tweeted about it inviting questions

I think anyone other than Mr T. Osser asking about penalty points on Flynn's driving license have given up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 15:28:26
Were the Trust not busy reviewing the financial statement of the business?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 18:32:31
Were the Trust not busy reviewing the financial statement of the business?

Yes would be interested with where they're up to with this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 18:36:33
This one past me by. I know they said they'd been given access to the books but don't recall any further actions .

probably me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 11:15:15
This one past me by. I know they said they'd been given access to the books but don't recall any further actions .

probably me

You would hope once gone through they would add a commentary to what has been found and how the club is doing financially etc - although it may depend to what level of information they have been given access to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 11:56:26
or if it was confidential maybe the trust would only report back major concerns


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 12:05:22
The last trust statement was on the 19th September, I know they're volunteers but a holding statement would be handy....unless something is planned to come out with the AB


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 12:48:33
or if it was confidential maybe the trust would only report back major concerns

This is the thing, one would assume the providing of any access would be NDA'ed up to its armpits as a lot there could be commercially sensitive. Much as with the sodding 3,5,7,25,50 year plans (much loved by communist Russia and Swindon fans alike), not really sure what people are expecting and with the distrust many seem to hold to the Trust will it actually achieve anything the Trust saying things have a clean bill of health.

The last trust statement was on the 19th September, I know they're volunteers but a holding statement would be handy

I suspect the first question would have been who within the Trust was best qualified to go and look with the ability to interpret what the accounts/financials say, that would take a skill that I suspect few would have (not aimed at the Trust more life in general).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 12:23:01
‘ Australian-owned League Two side @Official_STFC have signed a partnership with the Nepean Football Association! 🤝

The NFA is the grassroots & community level of football that stretches from Penrith (NSW) to the Blue Mountains, a huge catchment area for football interest and football talent in Sydney.

Clem Morfuni - the Aussie owner - has repeatedly said he wants to establish a relationship between young talent in Australia and having experience in a professional environment in England.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 12:39:50
cashback


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 13:08:18
‘ Australian-owned League Two side @Official_STFC have signed a partnership with the Nepean Football Association! 🤝

The NFA is the grassroots & community level of football that stretches from Penrith (NSW) to the Blue Mountains, a huge catchment area for football interest and football talent in Sydney.

Clem Morfuni - the Aussie owner - has repeatedly said he wants to establish a relationship between young talent in Australia and having experience in a professional environment in England.’

At least they seem to exist, so it is an improvement on Karachi already!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 13:57:34
At least they seem to exist, so it is an improvement on Karachi already!

It also seems a sensible & logical thing to do, very un Swindon like :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 14:05:10
All seems a bit of a waste of time to me to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 14:11:39
It also seems a sensible & logical thing to do, very un Swindon like :)
Well, I can see why Clem might fancy it, but would many Young Aussies want to move half way round the world to take a chance on STFC. A Prem club, sure, but us?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 14:42:40
Well, I can see why Clem might fancy it, but would many Young Aussies want to move half way round the world to take a chance on STFC. A Prem club, sure, but us?

A chance to get into English football and more chances of getting scouted, probably.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 14:49:48
Well, I can see why Clem might fancy it, but would many Young Aussies want to move half way round the world to take a chance on STFC. A Prem club, sure, but us?

Remeber Craig Jonhston? Came from nowhere, ended up at Liverpool and is credited with being the inventor of the predator football boot. So why not?

Yes, it is a long way from home but you’d be surprised at the numbers of young Sheila’s & Bruce’s that come to this country in search of a better life career wise. All you hear about is the ‘brain drain’ of the medical profession going the other way. A more cerebral version of the £10 POMS, like my cousins and my ex wife’s uncles back in the 60’s, 70’s. It is not all it is cracked up to be over there and the attrition rate of people going and coming back is quite high.  

We only need a few a season to make a name for themselves to make it work. I’m sure they’ve done their homework. 🤞


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 15:00:16
Harry Kewell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 15:38:03
Remeber Craig Jonhston? Came from nowhere, ended up at Liverpool and is credited with being the inventor of the predator football boot. So why not?

Craig Johnston joined Liverpool from Middlesbrough so hardly from 'nowhere' (petty dig at Middlesbrough the place notwithstanding).

I think this is very much more of a long-term Clem Morfuni business venture than to a long-term Swindon Town one. Could they go hand-in-hand? Maybe but I doubt we'll ever be inundated with Australian talent (happy to be wrong).

The fact that they're not using our current club badge as the international academy logo says that this is more of a Morfuni thing (I am cynical).  Maybe that's why that haven't really promoted it, so far, on official STFC comms? Meh.

To me it looks like Morfuni is linking up with an established football organisation where he will charge participants a decent fee to be part of a soccer school with trusted local ties and also definitive links (and set-up by people) within the English football pyramid.

This could therefore generate a fair whack of money for Morfuni (with the Nepean FA getting a %) regardless of the ability of the participant and if there's a genuine prospect then maybe Swindon Town get first dibs but even then you have to think that there are much better options for talented footballers within a country with a good structure and reputation in youth sport?

In conclusion: A businessman is trying to make money closer to home and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 15:44:25
Remeber Craig Jonhston? Came from nowhere, ended up at Liverpool and is credited with being the inventor of the predator football boot. So why not?

Yes, it is a long way from home but you’d be surprised at the numbers of young Sheila’s & Bruce’s that come to this country in search of a better life career wise. All you hear about is the ‘brain drain’ of the medical profession going the other way. A more cerebral version of the £10 POMS, like my cousins and my ex wife’s uncles back in the 60’s, 70’s. It is not all it is cracked up to be over there and the attrition rate of people going and coming back is quite high.  

We only need a few a season to make a name for themselves to make it work. I’m sure they’ve done their homework. 🤞

I'm sure they haven't! This is STFC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 16:08:27
I'm sure they haven't! This is STFC.

We’ll see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 16:11:21
do we know if this will benefit STFC financially, or Clem, or is that basically the same thing (no it isn't).

if it's not self funding it seems like another thing that isn't a priority until we get our finances straight


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 16:44:12
We’re a company that sponsors work visa’s and co-incidentally has a football team


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:28:06
As well as naturally trying to find Oz football talent to play for STFC it's also a very good revenue opportunity for the club to the tune of 6 figures per season if they get it right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:31:46
As well as naturally trying to find Oz football talent to play for STFC it's also a very good revenue opportunity for the club to the tune of 6 figures per season if they get it right.

Please can you explain how?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:36:04
Sure. In Oz (and US and some other countries), parents pay an annual fee for their kids/teens/young adults to be part of a well respected football (or other sporting academy) , so to be part of a STFC branded academy  in Oz will be a big pull and attract great interest and paid signups.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:50:53
STFC a big pull in Oz?

Ok then


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:52:24
Sure. In Oz (and US and some other countries), parents pay an annual fee for their kids/teens/young adults to be part of a well respected football (or other sporting academy) , so to be part of a STFC branded academy  in Oz will be a big pull and attract great interest and paid signups.

Thanks. And that money makes its way to the club here in SN1?

Not sure it is as much of a slam dunk as is being made out here. Ask Brad Friedel.

As Tans says, other than Dave Mitchell’s immediate family, I’d be surprised if anyone has ever heard of us but hey, let’s see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:54:26
Are you saying it will be similar to this?

https://lfcacademy.com.au/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:58:08
STFC a big pull in Oz?

Ok then

I think just being one of the 92 will carry some weight.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 18:59:35
STFC a big pull in Oz?

Ok then
Clem has ex Oz footballers promoting it in Oz so yes it's gaining alot of interest
All monies made go back into STFC yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:02:30
Clem has ex Oz footballers promoting it in Oz so yes it's gaining alot of interest
All monies made go back into STFC yes

More importantly. Have you fellas seen the financial books yet?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:37:21
Swindon Town are currently scrabbling about trying to make a quick buck whilst, allegedly, dodging the odd local vendor along the way, and we really think Morfuni is at home busily conjuring up a long-term plan to pump 6-figures on an annual basis into the club via Australian soccer schools?

Town making money from this sounds beyond fanciful. Surely most clubs in the EFL who could afford it would be in Australia if it was that easy? Ex-pros egging a local-businessman on to pump money into grassroots Australian football isn't exactly surprising either. I'm sure they'd rather that than see Morfuni waste money of improving STFCs own development infrastructure?

I have humble pie in the freezer ready for the day but I'd wager that Clem Morfuni's association with Swindon will be over by the time that project starts making meaningful profits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:40:21
Swindon Town are currently scrabbling about trying to make a quick buck whilst, allegedly, dodging the odd local vendor along the way, and we really think Morfuni is at home busily conjuring up a long-term plan to pump 6-figures on an annual basis into the club via Australian soccer schools?

Town making money from this sounds beyond fanciful. Surely most clubs in the EFL who could afford it would be in Australia if it was that easy? Ex-pros egging a local-businessman on to pump money into grassroots Australian football isn't exactly surprising either. I'm sure they'd rather that than see Morfuni waste money of improving STFCs own development infrastructure?

I have humble pie in the freezer ready for the day but I'd wager that Clem Morfuni's association with Swindon will be over by the time that project starts making meaningful profits.

Which local vendors are these, Rich?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:44:46
Which local vendors are these, Rich?

I know of at least one local company who, until recently, hadn't been paid from a job this year. Heard a couple of delayed payments elsewhere too.

Perhaps payments have been made since but it's the standard tactic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:48:14
More importantly. Have you fellas seen the financial books yet?

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:48:51
I know of at least one local company who, until recently, hadn't been paid from a job this year. Heard a couple of delayed payments elsewhere too.

Perhaps payments have been made since but it's the standard tactic.

It’s just another thing to add to to what seems to be an ever growing list.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:50:06
The Australian league transfer fees exceeded AUS 10 million in the closed season 2023.
Many young players are coming through local schools but lots from south east Asia but many young players from Africa and Middle East.
Try and watch Adelaide first game on Friday night against CCM.Standard of football was very good and is equally as high as STFC.
Just a foot note. I am told Poxford have similar thing going in Tanzania. Not sure how well established yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:54:55
When do we find out if Clem’s bought a chunk of the shares he flogged on the sly back? Wasn’t that a thing that had a timeline that he said was happening?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:55:13
It’s just another thing to add to to what seems to be an ever growing list.

I'm sure my comments can and will be batted away as just some shit-stirring gobshite waffling on.

I can live with that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:55:59
As well as naturally trying to find Oz football talent to play for STFC it's also a very good revenue opportunity for the club to the tune of 6 figures per season if they get it right.

Is this something the club are going to promote via official sources? Is it actually via the club? The announcement via the Australian Facebook page didn't actually use the club's crest - not 100% sure why that would be the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 19:59:20
Is this something the club are going to promote via official sources? Is it actually via the club? The announcement via the Australian Facebook page didn't actually use the club's crest - not 100% sure why that would be the case.

I thought that was odd from a branding perspective and made me think the financial route back to the club might be more convoluted than is being suggested here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 20:02:28
I'm sure my comments can and will be batted away as just some shit-stirring gobshite waffling on.

I can live with that.

Most who know you on here will know you aren’t a shirt stirrer.
Just a gobshite  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 20:03:07
In fairness, it's just a badge but it was an instant red flag for this tired brain.

Cynically, you think of all the noise fans gave the club for the Karachi project which was in the name of STFC but wasn't really but it is but, really, it isn't....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 20:25:16
As well as naturally trying to find Oz football talent to play for STFC it's also a very good revenue opportunity for the club to the tune of 6 figures per season if they get it right.

High or low six figures?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 20:57:17
I'm sure my comments can and will be batted away as just some shit-stirring gobshite waffling on.

I can live with that.

As is tradition.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 21:02:25
Quote
All monies made go back into STFC yes
That's excellent news.

Not really expecting to find players, though never say never, but if the cash is coming back to the club I don't care.

I look forward to the end of seeing cutbacks and still seeing a 500k loss (or is it a million?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, October 22, 2023, 23:37:21
As well as naturally trying to find Oz football talent to play for STFC it's also a very good revenue opportunity for the club to the tune of 6 figures per season if they get it right.
Regular as clockwork. You may as well rebrand yourself as TrustClem….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, October 23, 2023, 04:30:11
I'm sure my comments can and will be batted away as just some shit-stirring gobshite waffling on.

I can live with that.

Because it is.
Enjoy the pod but could do without the knowing cynicism.
On payments - it’s not great but name me a company that doesn’t delay payment until the last moment - pretty standard business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, October 23, 2023, 04:38:24
Any what does ‘dodging the odd local vendor along the way’ actually mean. I suspect shit stirring . If you are saying they are not paying and have no intention to pay and you can back it up then fair enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Monday, October 23, 2023, 07:16:06
Any what does ‘dodging the odd local vendor along the way’ actually mean. I suspect shit stirring . If you are saying they are not paying and have no intention to pay and you can back it up then fair enough.

What do you suspect my great motivation is? What would I be shit-stirring for? Attention? I've had enough grim stuff sent to my DMs over the last year or so to not crave more attention.

If delaying payments to smaller companies is par for the course then so be it but my question would then be what is the threshold for unacceptability on that front? Does it matter who the business/org seeking payment is? What is out of order?

My motivator is to question and call out the nonsense. I'm not necessarily anti-Morfuni but I am anti-nonsense. I appreciate that such endeavours are not always well received.

[Warning: The final paragraph might cause eye-rolling. It's hard to compose it without reading like a conspiracy theorist]

In terms of the podcast, I've held back from doing another instalment of a series of episodes that's been covering things I perceive as problematic because I am seeking permission to disclose some bits I've been sitting on. This is because I fully agree that without proof of working then it would simply look like shit-stirring and/or attention seeking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, October 23, 2023, 07:16:11
Because it is.
Enjoy the pod but could do without the knowing cynicism.
On payments - it’s not great but name me a company that doesn’t delay payment until the last moment - pretty standard business.

Ah, regarding payment of bone fide invoices which disregard agreed trading terms. You’d think differently if you were owed that payment. I have heard the same about the club from other sources and it is no one on this forum. Makes it worse when it is local businesses that are having to wait.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 23, 2023, 07:35:32
What do you suspect my great motivation is? What would I be shit-stirring for? Attention? I've had enough grim stuff sent to my DMs over the last year or so to not crave more attention.

If delaying payments to smaller companies is par for the course then so be it but my question would then be what is the threshold for unacceptability on that front? Does it matter who the business/org seeking payment is? What is out of order?

My motivator is to question and call out the nonsense. I'm not necessarily anti-Morfuni but I am anti-nonsense. I appreciate that such endeavours are not always well received.

[Warning: The final paragraph might cause eye-rolling. It's hard to compose it without reading like a conspiracy theorist]

In terms of the podcast, I've held back from doing another instalment of a series of episodes that's been covering things I perceive as problematic because I am seeking permission to disclose some bits I've been sitting on. This is because I fully agree that without proof of working then it would simply look like shit-stirring and/or attention seeking.

"After extensive online research...."

Only joking, you are doing a far better job than those who should be at shining a light on the current regime. You sail close to ITK at times which I suspect irritates some but I'd rather that than 'happy clapping.' I've always slightly assumed that you go harder on this current ownership because you feel you turned a blind eye to Power for so long, but that's my own reading of it. Either way, I 'look forward' (or whatever the negative of that is) to the next instalment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, October 23, 2023, 07:42:49
"After extensive online research...."

Only joking, you are doing a far better job than those who should be at shining a light on the current regime.


And here is the issue.

We’ve already had Spencer pop up and jump to Clems defence with regards to the Australian academy.
No mention of whether they’re seen the accounts yet though.

The Trust arent fit for purpose any more, unfortunately.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Monday, October 23, 2023, 07:49:07
Haha. Information tends to come to me rather than the dreaded extensive research.

100% that the Power legacy is a driver. I had no dealings with Power or Anderson but had great relationships with the media people. They were motivated by the growing importance of fan made media at the time rather than trying to make it a sort of propaganda project. The relationships I built at that time allowed me to be able to do the 'unpaid wages' episode because I could cross check the playing and non-playing staff to ensure what I was told was true for all.

I think we are all in agreement that anything with accusations involved will prove detrimental unless backed up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Laddy in Red on Monday, October 23, 2023, 09:16:50
Morfuni is a proven bullshitter so I'll wait and see what this is all about but it'll probably be a half arsed unprofessional venture judging by past business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 23, 2023, 09:47:08
Because it is.
Enjoy the pod but could do without the knowing cynicism.
On payments - it’s not great but name me a company that doesn’t delay payment until the last moment - pretty standard business.

Depends if its paying an invoice 30 days later or 4 months later really, doesn't it? Big difference. Clarity on which it is would be needed to know how red the flag is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 23, 2023, 09:48:46
If delaying payments to smaller companies is par for the course then so be it but my question would then be what is the threshold for unacceptability on that front? Does it matter who the business/org seeking payment is? What is out of order?


Within 30 days is on time, 30 to 60 is delayed, over 60 is taking the fucking piss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 23, 2023, 09:57:09
I've always slightly assumed that you go harder on this current ownership because you feel you turned a blind eye to Power for so long, but that's my own reading of it.

I on the other hand am far easier on this regime when I think about it. I had Power down as a crook from very early whereas Clem, I'm just not sure.....but if I think about it, some of the stuff that has happened with Clem if it happened under Power I'd react very differently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 23, 2023, 09:57:51
I had to use debt collectors for a £5k debt years ago. It was well over 90 days due.

Couple of right scary fuckers, too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, October 23, 2023, 09:59:22
Within 30 days is on time, 30 to 60 is delayed, over 60 is taking the fucking piss.

I guess it also depends if you are contesting the invoice ( not that I know this is the case).

For instance we challenged the amount owed to the company providing the food & beverage services and only after negotiating did the money get paid.

You could also have a scenario when someone quotes you £x and then invoices significantly more, you may then question it.

However, If it’s a small local business and not taking the piss it seems a bit shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Monday, October 23, 2023, 10:11:48
Within 30 days is on time, 30 to 60 is delayed, over 60 is taking the fucking piss.

It is but there are lots of times it's not even intentional, especially when there are low staffing levels or changes in staff. Not forgetting general incompetence of course. I'm not suggesting that's the cause of the issue as I don't know, I just know a lot about overdue payments!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 23, 2023, 11:40:45
Yeah I can see it being down to incompetence and disorganisation rather than being sinister, but even then that ain't great either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 23, 2023, 11:52:24
I'm involved with a USA Academy, similar to the one the club appears to be using in Aus.  Over here, they have tied their organisation to Chelsea, who, as far as I can tell, have absolutely nothing to do with other than allowing their name to beused and sharing a style of logo (they also use the Chelsea on in promotion material).

The parent do indeed pay a decent fee to have their child signed up the proper Academy and I am sure Chelsea get something from the deal.  However, it's not going to make anyone rich - you would need thousands of kids to do that and also have the rights to fees and stuff if they were later signed by a club, which they do not.  My one is actually run as a not for profit, so I doubt this will change the clubs financials.

Overall, unlike the Karachi one, this on looks a bit no harm no foul to me.  However, it does beg the question on what resources we need to supply - anything more than near zero is an issue given we haven't managed to get our internal house in order yet.

If we were indeed an open and transparent club, run for the fans, as marketed, then we'd be getting the nitty gritty of the deal - like how much it benefits us financially (just the net outcome would do).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, October 24, 2023, 12:26:55
Taking an Arsenal mate to the Gills tonight.  We were both there in 69.  He'll get plenty of reminders in Hospitality  :pint:.

It has got me thinking.  Other than some bolt on seats, the Stratton Bank and the Townend are pristine replicas of that '69 season.  The Arkells was built on the back of that success and must be 50 years old too by now.  Even the Don Rogers, which followed our Premiership season, is nigh on 30 years old - and even adding the allowed for hospitality boxes is still just talk.

These icons of STFC history will surely be listed before they are developed.

It certainly underlines that any New Beginnings talk is just that.  I love the club. I love going to live games.  I love the CG itself.  I love the late Nigel Eady, for sure. I even foolishly sort of love Clem.  But, I'm sorry, our successive so called custodians have preserved nothing (architecture aside) beyond stagnation and slow decline.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 24, 2023, 12:29:00
Taking an Arsenal mate to the Gills tonight.  We were both there in 69.  He'll get plenty of reminders in Hospitality  :pint:.

It has got me thinking.  Other than some bolt on seats, the Stratton Bank and the Townend are pristine replicas of that '69 season.  The Arkells was built on the back of that success and must be 50 years old too by now.  Even the Don Rogers, which followed our Premiership season, is nigh on 30 years old - and even adding the allowed for hospitality boxes is still just talk.

These icons of STFC history will surely be listed before they are developed.

It certainly underlines that any New Beginnings talk is just that.  I love the club. I love going to live games.  I love the CG itself.  I love the late Nigel Eady, for sure. I even foolishly sort of love Clem.  But, I'm sorry, our successive so called custodians have preserved nothing beyond stagnation and slow decline.

Correct.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 24, 2023, 12:33:23
I was also at Wembley in March 1969

As so many have said before... Its the hope that kills you !!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 24, 2023, 15:35:11
Yay! Another partner

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/october/carabao-becomes-official-sports-drink-partner-for-swindon-town-fc/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 24, 2023, 18:08:35
is that one EFL enforced?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 24, 2023, 19:12:12
Within 30 days is on time, 30 to 60 is delayed, over 60 is taking the fucking piss.
Sadly from experience it's the blue chip cash heavy companies who are the biggest arseholes to get money out of, smaller and people tend to be much easier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:01:27
When is this stadium gig getting announced then? Because we have been told it is happening in Summer 2024.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:10:28
When is this stadium gig getting announced then? Because we have been told it is happening in Summer 2024.

They are currently working through a list of 90’s tribute acts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:18:33
They are currently working through a list of 90’s tribute acts
Red Hot Chilli Pipers, Food Fighters, Oasish, Bone Roses, Green Gay, Nine Inch Snails...etc etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:24:08
They are currently working through a list of 90’s tribute acts

I want a night of the hits of Frank Sinatra with Don Rogers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:24:53
Red Hot Chilli Pipers, Food Fighters, Oasish, Bone Roses, Green Gay, Nine Inch Snails...etc etc

I did see a Foo Fighters tribute is actually at The Vic in December. Its actually 'The Faux Fighters'.

Brilliant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:43:03
Clem needs to invest properly in the team in January- wafer thin squad is there for all to see.

Either that or look to sell up/bring in fresh investment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:50:25
Clem needs to invest properly in the team in January- wafer thin squad is there for all to see.

Either that or look to sell up/bring in fresh investment

Absolutely nothing we have seen to date suggests that he will invest properly in the team.

Maybe Adeloye comes back and fires us to promotion?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:54:12
jedward aren't returning their calls


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:54:57
jedward aren't returning their calls

For the concert or squad reinforcements?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 11:58:31
For the concert or squad reinforcements?

I defy anyone to choose a preference. It's too difficult


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 15:35:19
New stadium idea for all year round revenue?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1274794080587030?s=chYV2B&fs=e


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 18:27:18
Clem needs to invest properly in the team in January- wafer thin squad is there for all to see.

Either that or look to sell up/bring in fresh investment

Where do you propose Clem finds the money to invest and / or someone else willing to invest the desired amount into the football club?

It’s not like Clem’s a multibillionaire sat on his money and / or a pauper beating away potential investors with a stick.

We all know, it’s what we need in a super duper ideal world but shouting for it on an internet forum doesn’t make the likely hood of it happening anymore likely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 18:31:51
Where do you propose Clem finds the money to invest and / or someone else willing to invest the desired amount into the football club?

It’s not like Clem’s a multibillionaire sat on his money and / or a pauper beating away potential investors with a stick.

We all know, it’s what we need in a super duper ideal world but shouting for it on an internet forum doesn’t make the likely hood of it happening anymore likely.

Well actually, yes it might.

The more people who speak up about this unacceptable situation, the more likely it is to gather momentum. Clem was everywhere in the honeymoon period but barely anywhere to be seen these days. Keep calling out the bullshit, keep striving for better and eventually he'll get bored of his toy and sell us for a profit. Which I assume was his end goal all along but the earlier the better.

Also, nobody is asking for a multi billionaire. Just somebody who can scrape together a top 7 budget would be a wonderful start. So we can be taken somewhat seriously.

P.S can you imagine how in the shit we'd be if we were budgeted for 6k gates like under Lee Power. We don't have a pot to piss in even with our best support in decades. It's laughable really. It's taken for granted sadly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 19:35:26
Well actually, yes it might.

The more people who speak up about this unacceptable situation, the more likely it is to gather momentum. Clem was everywhere in the honeymoon period but barely anywhere to be seen these days. Keep calling out the bullshit, keep striving for better and eventually he'll get bored of his toy and sell us for a profit. Which I assume was his end goal all along but the earlier the better.

Also, nobody is asking for a multi billionaire. Just somebody who can scrape together a top 7 budget would be a wonderful start. So we can be taken somewhat seriously.

P.S can you imagine how in the shit we'd be if we were budgeted for 6k gates like under Lee Power. We don't have a pot to piss in even with our best support in decades. It's laughable really. It's taken for granted sadly.

To me, it seems the paying back of the Black/Arbib/Power £1-3m debenture has been the spanner in the works. Doesn’t matter where he got the money from to settle this debt for shares it’s got to be paid back. It is abundantly clear he’s not as flush as we or he would like to be. So to claw back the shares to ensure he’s the No1 top dog sole owner he’s got to find the cash from somewhere. Any ideas where that might be? Wherever it comes from is going to impact on the money towards the playing budget, compounded by the £500k budget cuts they’re looking for.

Sadly, again, unless they’ve stuffed wads down the back of the STFC sofa for a push in January we’re going to be reliant on a fucking lucrative FA Cup run 🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 19:37:28
Meanwhile when is the Stratton Bank redevelopment going to start :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 20:00:24
the shares technically don't have to be paid back (unless there's a legal agreement in place ).

either way it's 4-6m loans from Clem to pay off external debt. That's a butt load of money, and yet in Football club terms... it isn't.

it's the ongoing losses that's the worry. Where is that coming from. or are they one off costs rather than day to day that's doing it.

too many unknowns


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 20:21:32
Well actually, yes it might.

The more people who speak up about this unacceptable situation, the more likely it is to gather momentum. Clem was everywhere in the honeymoon period but barely anywhere to be seen these days. Keep calling out the bullshit, keep striving for better and eventually he'll get bored of his toy and sell us for a profit. Which I assume was his end goal all along but the earlier the better.

Also, nobody is asking for a multi billionaire. Just somebody who can scrape together a top 7 budget would be a wonderful start. So we can be taken somewhat seriously.

P.S can you imagine how in the shit we'd be if we were budgeted for 6k gates like under Lee Power. We don't have a pot to piss in even with our best support in decades. It's laughable really. It's taken for granted sadly.

Shout as loud as you want but it won’t make someone with more money magically appear.

I get your point about calling things out and I’m not for one second suggesting we should just accept everything & question nothing. Far from it.

We can ask questions we can get massively unsatisfactory answers but that will not help get more money into the club either from Clem or a new investor.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 20:36:33
6 weeks since Clem agreed "to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs."

(https://preview.redd.it/well-were-waiting-v0-szuiutlfqqa81.jpg?auto=webp&s=44f5b21cb607aaf2113bfad3b6f37a22c62ab9e3)



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 20:37:20
Unless they have seen them and are waiting for Halloween!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 20:39:59
Unless they have seen them and are waiting for Halloween!

They'll sneak them out the day WW3 starts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 20:41:22
Not long, then!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 21:56:35
6 weeks since Clem agreed "to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs."

I read it as they had already looked at them as part of the sharegate fallout.

Did I misread it/Did the trust say they would report on it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 23:03:12
Where do you propose Clem finds the money to invest and / or someone else willing to invest the desired amount into the football club?

I get the impression that the 'who would be willing?' rhetoric is a little dated now (although completely accurate historically).

People who know a lot more about the business than I do tell me that this is a very good time for consortiums to invest in/purchase EFL football clubs for various financial reasons and that prospective buyers are always around reviewing the books for multiple clubs to see which one works for them, if any. It's just done away from the public eye, and rightly so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 04:12:30
I get the impression that the 'who would be willing?' rhetoric is a little dated now (although completely accurate historically).

People who know a lot more about the business than I do tell me that this is a very good time for consortiums to invest in/purchase EFL football clubs for various financial reasons and that prospective buyers are always around reviewing the books for multiple clubs to see which one works for them, if any. It's just done away from the public eye, and rightly so.


I’m pretty sure the club will be a much better investment prospect when Clem leaves to when Clem took over. But there are 72 clubs in the EFL …. how many good investors are there knocking around?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 05:49:52
I'd imagine that the (almost seemingly never ending) upcoming court cases are likely to put off almost every investor looking to get involved in football. To be fair to him Clem did get on board, even with knowing how much of a mess the club was in behind the scenes.

As Batch said, even with 5k season tickets and gates regularly between 8.5-10k we're losing money each year. The state of the ground can't be helping, I'd imagine a fair chuck of money has to go into it just to make it 'healthy and safe'.

Personally I can't see a lot changing until the court cases are done, and a lot of and low hanging fruit debt has gone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 07:05:32
Didn’t the CEO essentially come out and say that we’re losing money because of debt repayment to clem? In the interview he did with the adver. Rather than it all being interest free loans that clem wasn’t going to call in unless he sold the club (as I’m sure has been said before)

“ It is a perfectly fair point [that Swindon have larger attendances than most League Two clubs], however Clem [Morfuni] inherited seven million pounds worth of debt when he bought the football club.

To work through that debt and become sustainable, we have to keep working the way that we are.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 07:28:23
I haven't seen that quote, I just watched the "welcome our new CEO" video and it didn't seem to be mentioned there. Have there been other interviews with Mr Hall?

This is a point I've tried to make in this thread - whilst we ought to be thankful that Clem has stabilised the club, the debt has not been eradicated - It's been shifted to an interest free loan from Clem and he is a creditor to the club. So if Clem does sell, he'll presumably value the club at greater than £6m to recoup his funding OR it'll turn into a longer term debenture.

I am absolutely not saying that's shady or untoward or uncommon. Just highlighting this fact

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-meeting-minutes-oct-2023.pdf
Note: Chairman Clem Morfuni has to-date injected c£6m into Swindon Town, to help stabilise
the club finances. The accounts will reflect that this is owed back to him, however no interest will be due, and there is no timeframe for repayment.

Adver writeup https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23820797.swindon-town-ceo-says-financial-sustainability-key/
yootoobs interview https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/watch-anthony-hall-speaks-for-the-first-time-as-ceo-of-swindon-town/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:17:46
I'd imagine that the (almost seemingly never ending) upcoming court cases are likely to put off almost every investor looking to get involved in football. To be fair to him Clem did get on board, even with knowing how much of a mess the club was in behind the scenes.

As Batch said, even with 5k season tickets and gates regularly between 8.5-10k we're losing money each year. The state of the ground can't be helping, I'd imagine a fair chuck of money has to go into it just to make it 'healthy and safe'.

Personally I can't see a lot changing until the court cases are done, and a lot of and low hanging fruit debt has gone.

Agreed. I’m sure that’s Clems thinking too. He’s invested in good legals to clean up the shit which is a good thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:20:52
Agreed. I’m sure that’s Clems thinking too. He’s invested in good legals to clean up the shit which is a good thing.

Put it this way, he’ll have a plan and won’t sell the club because we lost to Gillingham on Tuesday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:21:16
Agreed. I’m sure that’s Clems thinking too. He’s invested in good legals to clean up the shit which is a good thing.

Who’s that? Standing’s lawyer? Who now part owns the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:28:41
Think one of the most telling things I found from the recent interviews was when Clem was going through the legal process to acquire the club from Power, he believed the debt position to only be high six figures, rather than the inevitable £6+ million. He may have had more capital to take us forward if that had been the case, but the final debt position probably put that to bed. Only way it will get cleared I feel is if a new owner/consortium cleared it out right in the purchase. Otherwise that will continue to hover over us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:37:14
STFC in that latest accounts (filed feb 23 for period up to June 22) suggests their tangible assets are valued at ~£3m.
Add in half a CG and that goes up...but I can't see anyone buying the club (ie the value of assets and potential income) inclusive of the £6m debt Clem's got against it.
My guess is that value would need to be £10m+, which I don't think is a sensible investment for a league 2 club

Companies House Link https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history


edit - am definitely not a financial expert, happy to be told the assets don't mean what I think they mean :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:46:53
I’m pretty sure the club will be a much better investment prospect when Clem leaves to when Clem took over. But there are 72 clubs in the EFL …. how many good investors are there knocking around?

Quite a few in this league......which is why we're struggling to compete.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:49:23
As Batch said, even with 5k season tickets and gates regularly between 8.5-10k we're losing money each year. The state of the ground can't be helping, I'd imagine a fair chuck of money has to go into it just to make it 'healthy and safe'.

For the life of me I cannot work out how this is the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:56:26
Didn’t the CEO essentially come out and say that we’re losing money because of debt repayment to clem? In the interview he did with the adver. Rather than it all being interest free loans that clem wasn’t going to call in unless he sold the club (as I’m sure has been said before)

“ It is a perfectly fair point [that Swindon have larger attendances than most League Two clubs], however Clem [Morfuni] inherited seven million pounds worth of debt when he bought the football club.

To work through that debt and become sustainable, we have to keep working the way that we are.”


If we're running at a low budget because we're paying Clem off to become truly debt free, that at least makes sense. I'd argue he may be better off getting less back now and getting us out of the basement and selling up to get it back though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 08:59:03
Think one of the most telling things I found from the recent interviews was when Clem was going through the legal process to acquire the club from Power, he believed the debt position to only be high six figures, rather than the inevitable £6+ million. He may have had more capital to take us forward if that had been the case, but the final debt position probably put that to bed. Only way it will get cleared I feel is if a new owner/consortium cleared it out right in the purchase. Otherwise that will continue to hover over us.

Didn't he say he was willing to pay well in to the millions and ended up getting it for a few hundred thousand?

Negates that pretty quickly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 09:24:34
Didn't he say he was willing to pay well in to the millions and ended up getting it for a few hundred thousand?

Negates that pretty quickly.
Quite. When all this took off Clem said he’d offered more than the mythical Able offer of £7.5m. He ended up paying £212,500. So Clem must have had access to £7m or thereabouts. Just think of the shit we’d be in if Clem HAD paid £7m and then found a similar amount of debt that needed clearing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 09:31:36
What’s the chances that once the Power/Standing case is settled Standing may invest properly in the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 09:55:36
Didn't he say he was willing to pay well in to the millions and ended up getting it for a few hundred thousand?

Negates that pretty quickly.
Ah yes he did! I forgot about that. His bid supposedly being better than Able's £7mn offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 10:13:52
Quite. When all this took off Clem said he’d offered more than the mythical Able offer of £7.5m. He ended up paying £212,500. So Clem must have had access to £7m or thereabouts. Just think of the shit we’d be in if Clem HAD paid £7m and then found a similar amount of debt that needed clearing.

So really, the £7m owed to Clem he should have been willing to write off and increase the budget so we're making use of the great gates and high ticket prices we have.

Unless of course he was just always full of shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 10:20:24
Ah yes he did! I forgot about that. His bid supposedly being better than Able's £7mn offer.

But isn’t the whole point that Able never actually offered £7m+, thanks to inside info (presumably from Austin) Clem was aware what the actual agreed selling price was. So he was in a position to better that.

I’m assuming it was Power that leaked the £7m figure to the press, just like he leaked info about us trying to sign players who we were never really going to sign.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 10:28:00
But isn’t the whole point that Able never actually offered £7m+, thanks to inside info (presumably from Austin) Clem was aware what the actual agreed selling price was. So he was in a position to better that.

I’m assuming it was Power that leaked the £7m figure to the press, just like he leaked info about us trying to sign players who we were never really going to sign.
So many hypotheticals. Every chance at that point of expression of interest for £7mn and Bogle sell on that Able were legit, Keravouri and the lawyer firm etc were real people, but yeah we know that at some point it did become Curran's vehicle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 10:29:57
So many hypotheticals. Every chance at that point of expression of interest for £7mn and Bogle sell on that Able were legit, Keravouri and the lawyer firm etc were real people, but yeah we know that at some point it did become Curran's vehicle.

It's been alleged and winked at by ITKers but do we 'know'?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 10:38:02
For the life of me I cannot work out how this is the case.

Nobody can. There's no information in the accounts released that help AFAIK.

What we really need to know is what's the day-to-day picture when all historical debt is converted to money owed to Clem? Obviously it'll fluctuate with infrastructure and transfer fee (!) payments.

Also, did he confirm the money "loanded" by 'keily' and secured with shares incur interest?

nothing wrong with Clem making his money back  + a bit of interest when the club is sold btw - more that the financial health of the club isn't clear to me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 10:54:45
That's where finding out the terms of the loan/shares for Keily gets interesting (to me at least).
If Clem borrowed the dosh from Keily to pay off the debentures are the club liable for any payments?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 11:46:00
Whatever has been borrowed will attract interest surely. You can get 5-6% in a bog standard savings account nowadays so I’d expect it’d be more than that. I have it in my mind Power was charging 14% on anything ‘lent’ to the club - I may have made that up!

At 10% that would be adding £200,000 to the debt every year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 11:53:15
At least it would explain some of the losses


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 12:08:08
You'd think that would have to appear on the Monthly Nonsense infographic though...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 12:13:24
The problem we have, and why a proper review of the financial accounts by the Trust seemed a good idea, is that nothing Clem has said has been backed up by actual data in recent times, until data comes out and forces a change of tune.

The share transfer is evidenced by documents at Companies House, nothing on how the money flowed is available to view.  All we have is the word of a bullshitter that it was a loan.  He says the shares were used as security but no charges have been listed at Companies House against any of the vehicles used to run the club.  That doesn't mean it is untrue, there could be a separate loan document listing the terms, but we simply do not know, which is not a great place to be for a club pretending to be open and transparent.

In terms of the general finances, nothing produced to date supports a claim of a business losing up to 1m per year, not yet.  The accounts show a profit for the 21/22 season.  We do not have anything produced to give us much of a clue about 22/23 as yet, and if we need to wait for official accounts, that won't happen for months yet.

To the value of the business - clearly he will want the debt situation crystalised if selling.  He and/or others have loaned the business up to 7m, including the Debenture repayment.  Clem's words suggest he likely plonked 4m plus in, then you add the Debenture deal, so someone is owed money there.  On the flip side, Clem/the business were also gifted half the County Ground, so should now be recording a new asset on the books, alongside a revalued lease agreement.  Gillingham recently revalued their ground in their accounts and it increased their assets by millions as a result.  The County Ground comes with restrictions and it's only 50% + 200 year lease, so won't be the same amount, but it won't be pocket change either.

On that basis, it's not unlikely that a new owner would need to come to a deal in the 10m ball park.  Not necessarily all upfront, but they need to factor in that valuation over time to determine if they felt they had an ROI, or a loss they could handle.  If he could get Planning permission on something, that would enhance the value and maybe make it more appealing to outside investment as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 12:22:07
The problem we have, and why a proper review of the financial accounts by the Trust seemed a good idea, is that nothing Clem has said has been backed up by actual data in recent times, until data comes out and forces a change of tune.

The share transfer is evidenced by documents at Companies House, nothing on how the money flowed is available to view.  All we have is the word of a bullshitter that it was a loan.  He says the shares were used as security but no charges have been listed at Companies House against any of the vehicles used to run the club.  That doesn't mean it is untrue, there could be a separate loan document listing the terms, but we simply do not know, which is not a great place to be for a club pretending to be open and transparent.

In terms of the general finances, nothing produced to date supports a claim of a business losing up to 1m per year, not yet.  The accounts show a profit for the 21/22 season.  We do not have anything produced to give us much of a clue about 22/23 as yet, and if we need to wait for official accounts, that won't happen for months yet.

To the value of the business - clearly he will want the debt situation crystalised if selling.  He and/or others have loaned the business up to 7m, including the Debenture repayment.  Clem's words suggest he likely plonked 4m plus in, then you add the Debenture deal, so someone is owed money there.  On the flip side, Clem/the business were also gifted half the County Ground, so should now be recording a new asset on the books, alongside a revalued lease agreement.  Gillingham recently revalued their ground in their accounts and it increased their assets by millions as a result.  The County Ground comes with restrictions and it's only 50% + 200 year lease, so won't be the same amount, but it won't be pocket change either.

On that basis, it's not unlikely that a new owner would need to come to a deal in the 10m ball park.  Not necessarily all upfront, but they need to factor in that valuation over time to determine if they felt they had an ROI, or a loss they could handle.  If he could get Planning permission on something, that would enhance the value and maybe make it more appealing to outside investment as well.

I think even if someone at the Trust is the equivalent of the last Japanese soldier in the jungle, still fighting on for 'Real Deal' Clem, we can all agree that the open and transparent mantra is as dead as the Dodo.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 12:22:13
Are you saying that what happens on the pitch - remaining L2, or, jokingly, promotion - wouldn’t have much effect on any price a buyer would be willing to pay. Is it, for a buyer, purely the here and now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 12:29:01
Are you saying that what happens on the pitch - remaining L2, or, jokingly, promotion - wouldn’t have much effect on any price a buyer would be willing to pay. Is it, for a buyer, purely the here and now.

Someone selling can try and include intangible value, but it's a tough sell.

in reality, the standard ways of valuing a business would return a very small number - the assets, even adding in the County Ground share and a new lease, will be outweighed by the debt.  The other method is usually a Price Earning Ratio, so a multiple of four or five on the profits of the business, or a smaller ratio on the Revenue.  We don't really make money, so that hinders any valuation taking that method.

Ultimately, I think a case would be made for a couple of million to equate to the CG value and you'd show some accounts that have us at break even, so operationally sound.  Then you strike a deal for how the debt will be repaid over a period of years by the new owner if they purchased the club - so it would be a few million to get the business and knowingly taking on 7m in debt.  That debt moves from being a Directors Loan to a structured payment terms loan.  Any new owner would add the two together to work out if they felt it was worth it.  The Glazers paid next to nothing for Man Utd - they loaded up with the debt, which they knew the club would payback through operations.  If a buyer thought they could turn 500k a year in profit, they'd be able to pay back their investment and cover the loans.  Clem would likely insist on securing the debt on exit, if he was sensible, like Black did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 13:03:44
Nobody can. There's no information in the accounts released that help AFAIK.

What we really need to know is what's the day-to-day picture when all historical debt is converted to money owed to Clem? Obviously it'll fluctuate with infrastructure and transfer fee (!) payments.

Also, did he confirm the money "loanded" by 'keily' and secured with shares incur interest?

nothing wrong with Clem making his money back  + a bit of interest when the club is sold btw - more that the financial health of the club isn't clear to me.

Exactly.

High ticket prices, high attendance, merch selling well, yet a very clear non competitive budget with the top 7. The Trust need to figure out why this is. If they're looking over the books they need to figure it out.

Is there something sinister going like like are we paying large consultancy fees to some of the UKs previous most wanted? Are we reducing the debt owed to Clem? What is going on and why do we seemingly not have a pot to piss in when the fans have backed the club time and time again.

This really defines if the trust is fit for purpose or not. Need answers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 13:23:16
No rent anymore too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 13:27:16
No rent anymore too.

We pay half the rent we used to, but we do still pay rent.  It's about 60k a year I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 13:30:31
Don't forget the 6 figure annual income we are about to get from the Australian football venture thingmy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 13:31:56
We pay half the rent we used to, but we do still pay rent.  It's about 60k a year I think.

Which the club gets back to spend on maintenance anyway.....so in effect no rent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 15:18:33
Don't forget the 6 figure annual income we are about to get from the Australian football venture thingmy.

Believe it when i see it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 15:38:24
Believe it when i see it!

Don't you trust the Trust?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 15:39:01
Believe it when i see it!

Pete Propaganda said so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 15:41:39
Maybe 6 figures over the term of a 10 year deal?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 15:46:48
Wasn’t the £500k to £1m a projected loss for this season?

We seem to have been happy to take that as fact, but not a projected profit from a proposed project in Australia.

To be honest, I’d tend to be sceptical of both numbers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 17:39:37
Wasn’t the £500k to £1m a projected loss for this season?

We seem to have been happy to take that as fact, but not a projected profit from a proposed project in Australia.

To be honest, I’d tend to be sceptical of both numbers

It was in September's AB minutes Q&A, and for consistency I take everything Clem says with a pinch of salt these days


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 18:01:57
Maybe 6 figures over the term of a 10 year deal?

Thats more like it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 19:02:27
Thats more like it!

Or two of those figures are the cents.

$1000.00


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 19:38:32
Pete Propaganda said so.
Who’s now deleted his account  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 26, 2023, 20:04:53
Who’s now deleted his account  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

That might not be the worst thing for the Trust's credibility tbh. He's obviously entitled to a personal opinion but his posts tended to be taken as the opinion of the full trust board which I suspect they weren't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, October 27, 2023, 08:43:02
Who's Pete Propaganda?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, October 27, 2023, 08:50:18
Who's Pete Propaganda?

Spencer


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 27, 2023, 09:39:17
my post was probably harsh, wasn't meant to be personal as I know his heart is in the right place but just some of the stuff he posted just didn't really ring true and seemed to be very pro-Clem. I think as a Trust member, it was probably best he just didn't post anything - you know how things get on here sometimes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 09:54:57
I can understand him thinking "what's the point" -  we are a skeptical  bunch.

That said, he needs to understand most of us aren't ITK  and can only form opinions on the publically available info and actions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 27, 2023, 10:04:03
I can understand him thinking "what's the point" -  we are a skeptical  bunch.

That said, he needs to understand most of us aren't ITK  and can only form opinions on the publically available info and actions.
Skeptical with good reason too with our history of owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 10:04:49
and with pinnociclem


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 27, 2023, 10:14:43
and with pinnociclem©Batch2023


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:24:17
It's become a bit of an echo chamber with only 'skeptical' people left


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:25:49
There were plenty of positive people until the bullshit of the summer. The club/trust have to look at themselves for facilitiating fans' cynicism.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:28:25
There were plenty of positive people until the bullshit of the summer. The club/trust have to look at themselves for facilitiating fans' cynicism.

Yeah as I said they no longer post/deleted their account


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CotswoldsCJ on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:30:59
It seems strange that the trust have been silent on the subject of reviewing the financial information. Particularly as they’ve been asked directly on twitter this week


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:37:35
It's become a bit of an echo chamber with only 'skeptical' people left

The problem is the lack of concrete, verifiable and factual evidence to support anything strategic that would provide a positive outlook on the future for the club.

You'd think the ground would at least offer something on that front, but they best they seem able to do after a few years of planning (the deal to buy was on the cards for some time) and many months of actually owning it, is to submit a planning application for a big TV.

The stated aims of having a top class Academy was something that fans may have got interested in, but the only movement on that front that we have seen is a bit of scaffolding put up in Calne, a dodgy looking deal in Pakistan and some fluff about Australia (which appears to be a training day hosted by Gav Gunning for a private Academy in a suburb of Sydney).  Now, I am sure it will be more than that, but that is all we can actually point to right now - nothing has been published to show the long term strategy, what investment we are making, how that investment is going to be used and what the outcomes we expect will be.

The club ownership is doing very little to put real strategies in place, with descriptions of how we will implement them and what we should all expect to see as a result.  We seem to running a Field of Dreams type operation on the public front, while supporting it with a Bring and Buy Sale Blue Peter effort in the Accounts dept.

I would love to be getting excited about what a 20m new Town End will be like, supported by the 2m investment in refurbs expected to be completed before that starts.  How it increases our Revenue by 20% through extra corporate hospitality and non-matchday event sales.  Or how our 2m a year investment in the Academy, at home and abroad, is going to ensure we deliver two first team ready pro's per year within the next 4 years as we see a brand new training facility delivered alongside an enhanced recruitment team and a Visa/Scholarship path created in Australia to suck in the best talent available in NSW.  I'd love to understand that our recruitment group for the first team have a top three budget for L2 given to them, but also an expectation that we will be selling a player each year that we have improved to help fund that, alongside improved partnerships with several Championship/Prem teams to ensure first dibs on top level young talent for loans and perm deals.  And so on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:52:42
While I agree with a lot of what you said, these things all take time, especially when you inherit probably one of the poorest run clubs in the leagues. 

For example, the stadium purchase took up a lot of time and energy to get over the line I'm sure.  So to say they have had all this time is a bit of a stretch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:58:06
Taking the cynical view, if it’s silent it almost certainly means there’s nothing positive to say.

But we only have to look down the M4 to see that even a decade or so of positive ownership can soon slip back into disaster.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:58:14
While I agree with a lot of what you said, these things all take time, especially when you inherit probably one of the poorest run clubs in the leagues.  

For example, the stadium purchase took up a lot of time and energy to get over the line I'm sure.  So to say they have had all this time is a bit of a stretch.

Clem has been an investor for years.  He specifically had eyes on the stadium development and building links in Australia before becoming owner.

The sale of the ground was agreed a year ago.

The Academy investment has had nothing publicly shared other than the Scaffolding and some shooting nets, which have been delayed for months.  Both of which are being "gifted" in return for sponsorship.

Sorry, but over two years since taking ownership of a club you were already a significant investor in, and nothing of note being produced is pretty poor.  I'm not talking on the field and I'm not talking about the fact someone had a lot of bills to pay.  It does not take over two years to develop comprehensive strategic plans.  If it does, you end up fighting operational and tactical wildfires, just like they are.  Some CEO's get less time than that in total, let alone to build out a plan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, October 27, 2023, 12:58:36
From what I’ve heard they have had a bit of to & fro with a third party company that are working on the proposed development. I guess the problem is you don’t want to publish half baked plans, but it’s almost as bad to publish nothing.

About the only concrete thing that has changed is that the catering in the ground has improved slightly and that the income from it is now going to the club. Oh, and we’re now allowed to keep our bottle tops (in the DRS at least)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:01:15
Taking the cynical view, if it’s silent it almost certainly means there’s nothing positive to say.

But we only have to look down the M4 to see that even a decade or so of positive ownership can soon slip back into disaster.

They are a very good reason that supporters Trust should always be critical of current ownership, even if it looks great on the surface.  The industry attracts some right fuckwits, far too much is kept secret in the sport and every club is only one ownership change away from being pillaged.  Even a well meaning owner can leave a mess, as Clem is finding, the sport sucks you dry if you are not ready for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:15:24
Did we ever see a short to long term plan from the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:17:34
Did we ever see a short to long term plan from the club?
They did communicate one to a degree, but it was in a corporate pack for sponsorship rather than communicated directly to fans. Sure it was distributed in the summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:23:31
Clem has been an investor for years.  He specifically had eyes on the stadium development and building links in Australia before becoming owner.

The sale of the ground was agreed a year ago.

The Academy investment has had nothing publicly shared other than the Scaffolding and some shooting nets, which have been delayed for months.  Both of which are being "gifted" in return for sponsorship.

Sorry, but over two years since taking ownership of a club you were already a significant investor in, and nothing of note being produced is pretty poor.  I'm not talking on the field and I'm not talking about the fact someone had a lot of bills to pay.  It does not take over two years to develop comprehensive strategic plans.  If it does, you end up fighting operational and tactical wildfires, just like they are.  Some CEO's get less time than that in total, let alone to build out a plan.

Yeah you are right, nothing has been achieved.

1) Purchased the stadium with the supporters
2) Paid off £6-7m of debt
3) Rebuilt the staffing of the club (although we are still thin on the ground)
4) The womens team is now within the club and being supported
5) Investment in the stadium to fix issues that had been neglected for years

Now I'm sure the club could have achieved more but I think you have to be realistic, Clem doesn't have money to throw about and things take longer because of that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:25:58
They did communicate one to a degree, but it was in a corporate pack for sponsorship rather than communicated directly to fans. Sure it was distributed in the summer.
Thanks!
It's in the April 23 AB notes https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-april-2023.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:26:59
2) Paid off £6-7m of debt
Correction - converted debt to an interest free loan payable to Clem


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:27:40
Yeah you are right, nothing has been achieved.

1) Purchased the stadium with the supporters
2) Paid off £6-7m of debt
3) Rebuilt the staffing of the club (although we are still thin on the ground)
4) The womens team is now within the club and being supported
5) Investment in the stadium to fix issues that had been neglected for years

Now I'm sure the club could have achieved more but I think you have to be realistic, Clem doesn't have money to throw about and things take longer because of that.
Well, paying off that amount of debt isn’t really true. It’s only been shifted around. The club now owe Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:29:25
Well, paying off that amount of debt isn’t really true. It’s only been shifted around. The club now owe Clem.
did we just become best friends?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:29:44
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-april-2023.pdf

This was as much as we saw - it's detailed without being so, which sounds like an oxymoron.  Basically, it's got quite a bit of flesh, but no bones - lots of words to say not a lot about specific outcomes and plans to get there.  The only bit that does get close is the pointing out of the amount of income and outgoings expected each year, but that doesn't make it clear if it's a cash position or P&L, where income is expected to come from or where it will be invested/spent.

Take the Academy stuff in here, because it is something I believe they could have moved on quickly if it was truly meant.  I understand the Ground is way more complex.

To support a Tier Two Academy, which is the goal in two years, requires several things that we do not have in place today.  First, an investment in infrastructure - the physical assets needed, like a Training Ground, changing facilities, catering facilities, all the digital infrastructure etc.  Plus the type of infrastructure that requires Operational Expenditure, like a determined staffing structure to support several groups of Academy Players, recruitment, medical, data analysts, coaching, safeguarding, education etc.  That's a minimum of about 2m a year in Opex and a few times more in capital investments needed.  That is a plan you could pull together within a few months, it's not like other teams have not done similar before.

Next, you need to put some flesh on that plan - where will it be, what timeline is needed to get to perfect and what are the key deliverables long the way?  How will funding be sourced?  How much precisely do we think is needed and when?  Is it something we will do alone, or in some sort of partnership?  Is it just in the UK, or do you pull the plan for Australia into this?

And so on.

Now go look at the actual Academy update for April in that document - nothing.  Bar some comments about hiring one or two people, into role that just support the status quo, and somebody providing some scaffolding, it's barren.  The Trust should be pushing for more here, the club should be offering more but I suspect, there isn't anything to provide.  Every snippet we do get suggests little more than day to day tactical decision making in this area.

For anyone saying this takes time - within your first month or two, you hire a Head of Youth Development, you give them this as their primary objective.  You insist they have plans in front of you within 3-6 months, you agree the path and you start work on it, or you shelve it.  That person should be accountable and able to deliver.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:32:58
did we just become best friends?
🤨


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:38:47
Yeah you are right, nothing has been achieved.

1) Purchased the stadium with the supporters
2) Paid off £6-7m of debt
3) Rebuilt the staffing of the club (although we are still thin on the ground)
4) The womens team is now within the club and being supported
5) Investment in the stadium to fix issues that had been neglected for years

Now I'm sure the club could have achieved more but I think you have to be realistic, Clem doesn't have money to throw about and things take longer because of that.

1. Were gifted the stadium
2. Nothings been paid off, just transferred.
3. We're worse off that we were under Power here, hence the plea for volunteers.
4. Cant comment as not really paid attention.
5. The urinals dont even get cleaned, what investment are you seeing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 13:39:25
Yeah you are right, nothing has been achieved.

1) Purchased the stadium with the supporters
2) Paid off £6-7m of debt
3) Rebuilt the staffing of the club (although we are still thin on the ground)
4) The womens team is now within the club and being supported
5) Investment in the stadium to fix issues that had been neglected for years

Now I'm sure the club could have achieved more but I think you have to be realistic, Clem doesn't have money to throw about and things take longer because of that.

1) Fully funded by a deceased fan, club did nothing financially to directly fund it, but it does lead to 2)
2) The club is still in as much debt, just to different sources.  We actually don't know the contractual obligations for about 2.9m of it either
3) Yes, operational but needed
4) No idea why it was important given where we were - it was not a fire drill necessity and should have been behind several other core objectives, but I am supportive of the move in general.  Also took very little heavy lifting - required little more than some people changes.
5) Part of our ongoing responsibilities as a leaseholder - Clem was here before with a specific remit of stadium development, if he didn't know, more fool him.

I am not saying we are in bad place vs 2021, not at all, just saying nothing concrete is in place.  If Clem sold us today, the only things the next owner inherits that sets us up for long term success vs. what Clem inherited, are the Ground ownership/lease deal, something that was already in play under Power, that Clem was already part of and was funded by people outside the club.  The Trust get top marks for initiating it and Eady for funding it.  The other being the Debenture being replaced by something else (although we are assuming the replacement is better, we don't actually know for sure).

Now, if Clem converted his debt to equity, that would be a move that fundamentally change something.

If a 10 year development plan was released and supported by agreed funding, that would be a game changer.

But we haven't seen those types of things.  he said he had enough to match the 7m offer to buy the club, so in reality, if he was telling the truth, he could have paid the debt within a few months as he was only converting to debt to him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 14:15:21
Yeah you are right, nothing has been achieved.

1) Purchased the stadium with the supporters
2) Paid off £6-7m of debt
3) Rebuilt the staffing of the club (although we are still thin on the ground)
4) The womens team is now within the club and being supported
5) Investment in the stadium to fix issues that had been neglected for years

Now I'm sure the club could have achieved more but I think you have to be realistic, Clem doesn't have money to throw about and things take longer because of that.

1) Brilliant - well done Eadie
2) Brilliant, though we still owe its better internal than external. Assuming none of it is acruing interest via sharegate that is.
3) Have we? Customer facing hasn't changed much as far as I can tell. But I'm not knocking what I can't see
4) Don't care. But as long as its self funding I can see no negatives.
5) True. Though part  of that is offset by rent reductions.

The biggest issue is we are told we will lose 500K-1M minumum this year. How do we solve that if its not one off cost related?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, October 27, 2023, 14:17:14
Yeah wasn't the greatest argument for things being achieved that post.

Essentially boils down to we were gifted the freehold to the stadium through a generous supporter who had passed on. The end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 27, 2023, 14:52:11
How about £5 on all tickets? Programmes £5. All drinks an extra £0.50-1.00 all food an extra £1 and £10.00 on hospitality? Seriously. I’m not naming people but we collectively have to get over the fact that Clem or anyone within his sphere of financial standing hasn’t got the £m’s to throw at our club save for an oligarch, Sheikh or minted megalomaniac. So the money comes from where?

I’ve been having this discussion with my DNA Sat on our £500m yacht in the Cayman Islands whilst booking our private jet and helicopter transfers to tomorrow’s game. A tough conundrum to which we have no answer. Hang a sec just moving a loose £5b around. Ah lunch has arrived. Down to our last ten cases of Crystal Champers don’t you know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, October 27, 2023, 14:58:32
I genuinely have no issue with Clem having no money. It is what it is. I have an issue with the Championship in 5 years, best academy outside the Premier League, competitive budget bullshit, and the fact that it is unchallenged by our Supporters Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:00:29
I genuinely have no issue with Clem having no money. It is what it is. I have an issue with the Championship in 5 years, best academy outside the Premier League, competitive budget bullshit, and the fact that it is unchallenged by our Supporters Trust.

So you have an issue with ambition?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:02:03
So you have an issue with ambition?
Did you stop reading before "and the fact that it is unchallenged by our Supporters Trust"?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:02:44
So you have an issue with ambition?

I mean, you have to align ambition with having a realistic plan of achieving it no?

If it's just "what would you like to happen?" with no requirement for it being achievable, then I'm furious they don't want win the CL!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:05:36
How about £5 on all tickets? Programmes £5. All drinks an extra £0.50-1.00 all food an extra £1 and £10.00 on hospitality? Seriously. I’m not naming people but we collectively have to get over the fact that Clem or anyone within his sphere of financial standing hasn’t got the £m’s to throw at our club save for an oligarch, Sheikh or minted megalomaniac. So the money comes from where?

I’ve been having this discussion with my DNA Sat on our £500m yacht in the Cayman Islands whilst booking our private jet and helicopter transfers to tomorrow’s game. A tough conundrum to which we have no answer. Hang a sec just moving a loose £5b around. Ah lunch has arrived. Down to our last ten cases of Crystal Champers don’t you know.

Agreed. But Constanza’s sources tell him it’s a v.good time to invest in an EFL club and prospective buyers are reviewing the books all the time. Clem must be having to fight these billionaires off our club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:09:20
Costanza could be reporting what he's told.
Not all investors are billionaires, not all investors will individually be worth millions, but a consortium or VC fund could be. It doesn't mean all that dosh has STFC printed on it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:12:19
Taylor Swift wants to buy Notts County - turned down.

How about us!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:12:26
Agreed. But Constanza’s sources tell him it’s a v.good time to invest in an EFL club and prospective buyers are reviewing the books all the time. Clem must be having to fight these billionaires off our club.

My pals are industry people, not Swindon fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:13:01
So you have an issue with ambition?

I think you've rather missed the point here Bob. If the new Chairman of Kintbury Rangers said he wanted to win the Premier League with the club, would people think "there's a man of ambition!" or "there's a Walter Mitty fool"?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:15:39
And that's before the debate of whether Clem is ambitious, as you put it, or mendacious. Your reading of it is at the more generous end of the supporter spectrum I would suggest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:16:10
Just what level of transparency is acceptable? Do we need to know transfer fees, compo for Lindsey etc.  The moans are always, or nearly always, about where’s the money gone. I’m no financial wizard but do our level of annual accounts go into such details.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:25:21
Taylor Swift wants to buy Notts County - turned down.

How about us!

Change our name to Swifton Town. I'm down with that. TAKE THE MONEY!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:26:05
Just what level of transparency is acceptable? Do we need to know transfer fees, compo for Lindsey etc.  The moans are always, or nearly always, about where’s the money gone. I’m no financial wizard but do our level of annual accounts go into such details.

I don't need per deal info (although I have shared the Carlisle annual report for reference to show what a club COULD share, if it so desired).  I don't think hoards of cash have been stashed beyond prying eyes either.

I think there is a distinct mismatch between the PR provided and the actual plans to deliver it, let alone the actual delivery.

I have no problem with ambition.

I even think a club down here, without a rich benefactor, can deliver some of the vague stated aims.  We have a very good example in our league - Crewe.  They maintain a Category 2 level Academy, consistently ranked better than some Elite ones as well.  It required significant investment and requires annual operating expenses well over 7 figures.  It, generally, pays for itself - but to start it, you need to a) take a gamble and b) have a plan to finance it to start with.  Exeter have also shown a way a smaller income club can generate higher Revenue through player investment and trading, without reaching the likes of Peterborough.

So, even if Clem is skint, it's possible, with the right planning and preparation before pulling the trigger.

What we have is not that though.  We have some vague aim of getting a Level 2 Academy by way of asking for local fans to help put up some metal bars so someone with a mobile phone can film the kids at play and a rented field that hosts Palates for the locals while we re trying to do press briefings (I'm being disingenuous).

It's as if everyone was surprised that it all takes a bit of effort once we got the reigns.  The fact our transfer policy and wage budgets have been all over the shop for three seasons running shows nothing is well planned.  We are doing a very good job of bringing to life the saying of throwing spaghetti at a wall and seeing what sticks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:31:04
That’s all true but both Crewe and Exeter are perennial yo-yo clubs - do well when the academies produce, sell then fall back. Rinse and repeat. That’s fine if fans buy into that way if operating but barring a miracle it confines you to forever floundering around the bottom 2 leagues. They only have 4000 or so fans to convince.

I might be a bit happy clappy here, but I think most of our fans at least expect to be capable of challenging for Championship football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:35:20
That’s all true but both Crewe and Exeter are perennial yo-yo clubs - do well when the academies produce, sell then fall back. Rinse and repeat. That’s fine if fans buy into that way if operating but barring a miracle it confines you to forever floundering around the bottom 2 leagues. They only have 4000 or so fans to convince.

I might be a bit happy clappy here, but I think most of our fans at least expect to be capable of challenging for Championship football.

I agree with you, our starting base should be higher than them.  If we did it properly, using them as examples, but with a higher revenue base to begin with, we should be able to support a L1 club with ambitions of at least going between that and the Championship.

I'm just saying even a small income club can do these things - I do not buy the defence of Clem that he is out of cash, has paid down debt, it's all too much to expect etc.  Plus, he's the fucker that put the Goal out there - I'm saying his plans t deliver it need scrutiny, and he sure as hell is not delivering it right now.  This is just one area, I haven't even got onto the Ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:46:27
Taylor Swift wants to buy Notts County - turned down.

How about us!

The amount of shirts we'd sell to her fans would fund us getting to the championship at least on its own.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:48:39
To ensure people don't think I am just some anti-Clem, negative whining idiot, I will counter balance with something.

I think Clem did an amazing job in the first 6 months, and that set us up for short term success/benefits.  Namely he tapped into two things - the impact of Covid on the fanbase (a pent up demand to see games lives) and the growing anger towards the existing owner.  Once he found the crafty way to get the club, he used these two to huge effect, building immediate momentum in positive vibes amongst the fanbase, which led to a surge in Season Ticket holder numbers.  Only twice in my time has another owner/CEO achieved such an uptake - once in the Premier League and once when the prices were slashed by Fitton.  A time of unprecedented positivity and a time when big pockets could underwrite the loss.

That is no mean feat.

I think he was utterly bemused by the amount of risk/exposure he then found financially and it has stopped everything else in it's tracks.  It now looks like an attempt to hang on for the Ground to get moving so an exit plan can be formed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 15:49:13
The amount of shirts we'd sell to her fans would fund us getting to the championship at least on its own.

Can our man in Kansas befriend Travis Kelce maybe?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:05:25
1) Brilliant - well done Eadie
2) Brilliant, though we still owe its better internal than external. Assuming none of it is acruing interest via sharegate that is.
3) Have we? Customer facing hasn't changed much as far as I can tell. But I'm not knocking what I can't see
4) Don't care. But as long as its self funding I can see no negatives.
5) True. Though part  of that is offset by rent reductions.

The biggest issue is we are told we will lose 500K-1M minumum this year. How do we solve that if its not one off cost related?

This isn't just at you Batch but all of those achievements don't happen by themselves - Eady trust funded it but the Eady trust, the council, the Trust all had to be happy and is a massive achievement by all parties.

You do have this fixation on the ongoing loss, more or less all clubs at this level are losing money.  What is your point, as long as Clem is covering the loss (unless you know that he isn't?) then stadium development is going to be the biggest way to solve this, which is a long term project.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:08:53
I think Batch refers to it because Clem suggested we needed to wash our own face, which can be read to say we need to either raise new revenue quickly or we cut costs from what we are spending right now.  It was indeed delivered in such a way that he would NOT be funding increasing the debt pile.

Of course, he can come out and say "not to worry, I have the funds to continue to underwrite 500k-1m of losses a year while we await the future benefits of ground development, upon which we will reap the benefits of increased revenues and profits to offset this investment".  But he hasn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:13:03
I think Batch refers to it because Clem suggested we needed to wash our own face, which can be read to say we need to either raise new revenue quickly or we cut costs from what we are spending right now.  It was indeed delivered in such a way that he would NOT be funding increasing the debt pile.

Of course, he can come out and say "not to worry, I have the funds to continue to underwrite 500k-1m of losses a year while we await the future benefits of ground development, upon which we will reap the benefits of increased revenues and profits to offset this investment".  But he hasn't.

You have just answered his question, so hopefully now he can get closure. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:36:25
Change our name to Swifton Town. I'm down with that. TAKE THE MONEY!

Rockin Robin you’re now redundant. We are The Swifts now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:38:39
Rockin Robin you’re now redundant. We are The Swifts now.

At least we'd sign some players who could play play play

Costanza would no doubt hate hate hate*


* I am joking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:39:35
You have just answered his question, so hopefully now he can get closure.  

How so?  Clem said we are making losses we can't sustain, he has not confirmed he can cover them or intends to, just as much as he hasn't stated we have found a new Revenue Tree or that we have or need to make the cuts in costs.  We literally do not know what happened next, or will happen next.  We approached the Magic Roundabout without knowing the route, the names of the exit roads, or which way to give way to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:50:05
How so?  Clem said we are making losses we can't sustain, he has not confirmed he can cover them or intends to, just as much as he hasn't stated we have found a new Revenue Tree or that we have or need to make the cuts in costs.  We literally do not know what happened next, or will happen next.  We approached the Magic Roundabout without knowing the route, the names of the exit roads, or which way to give way to.

You gave all the options, so he will pick one. He has just sunk £7m, at the moment he isn't likely just to give that up and not get a return.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:54:27
You gave all the options, so he will pick one. He has just sunk £7m, at the moment he isn't likely just to give that up and not get a return.

He hasn’t personally sunk £7m though, has he.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 16:57:28
You gave all the options, so he will pick one. He has just sunk £7m, at the moment he isn't likely just to give that up and not get a return.
He has invested, not sunk, and it may not be all his money


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:01:43
You guys are a bit touchy about language here


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:06:35
Language matters
Sunk = has written off
Invested = has put money in expecting a return

Invested doesn't imply anything untoward...it's just important that whilst Clem did save the club, we don't lose sight of the fact that he's not just burning money in the name of STFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:10:37
I still feel our immediate future is linked to the Power/Standing court case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:16:35
I still feel our immediate future is linked to the Power/Standing court case.

I would hope not, it could be years without final resolution when you factor in any appeals.

I think we are more immediately at the mercy of the Ground development - my opinion, based on what we know to be fact and what we can infer from public statements and actual delivery, is that we will look alot like we do right now until that is moving in the right direction.  I think Clem is fully squeezed and we shouldn't expect any "planned" success for a while.  That's not to say someone can't perform tiny miracles - even without any sources of funding, our revenue supports a budget that can at least keep us interested at the worst of times and maybe better than that when good luck befalls us.  Structurally though, the club is simply moving from day to day, ticking over.

If we get the ground development planned properly, there is maybe an exit for Clem.  The hurdle at that point becomes finding someone to buy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:23:59
Language matters
Sunk = has written off
Invested = has put money in expecting a return

Invested doesn't imply anything untoward...it's just important that whilst Clem did save the club, we don't lose sight of the fact that he's not just burning money in the name of STFC

That is actually wrong, a sunk cost in business terms means what you have invested to date. You can stop investing any more but you don't have to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:24:50
I still feel our immediate future is linked to the Power/Standing court case.

I wish these ITK people, would just tell us what they know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:27:15
Sunk Cost = money that has been spent and cannot be recovered.

Clem and others have loaned the business money, meaning it is fully recoverable, and it is expected to be recovered because it is treated as a Liability in the Accounts.

It's not even an investment, in it's truest form, because it was simply used to satisfy other Liabilities, not used to develop assets/capital.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:28:25
FFS. This. Is. Getting. Tedious. There is NO money to throw at back room staff. Training staff. Playing staff. Limited money for ground improvements.

Move on. This thread could go on for a decade as it is now without a resolution. Three points tomorrow please and a parking space will do.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:31:34
FFS. This. Is. Getting. Tedious. There is NO money to throw at back room staff. Training staff. Playing staff. Limited money for ground improvements.

Move on. This thread could go on for a decade as it is now without a resolution. Three points tomorrow please and a parking space will do. 

Is the point of a forum not to foster debate?  Don't read it if it annoys you, just like other likely ignore your ramblings about DNA and travels.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:34:35
Is the point of a forum not to foster debate?  Don't read it if it annoys you, just like other likely ignore your ramblings about DNA and travels.

I think his point is that it's not a debate, it's 5-6 people moaning constantly


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 27, 2023, 17:36:53
I wish these ITK people, would just tell us what they know.
Nobody knows


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:03:21
Nobody knows

Yeah, ITK generally seems to be "regurgitated rumours I've heard because my brother in law's postman's dog shits on the lamp post outside Rob Angus' house and he overheard the following..."

Everyone is guessing/bullshitting to some extent outside of the key protagonists themselves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:13:06
That is actually wrong, a sunk cost in business terms means what you have invested to date. You can stop investing any more but you don't have to.
Thank you for the correction, I was maybe using colloquialisms rather than technical terms, which RobT has provided


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:14:47
I think his point is that it's not a debate, it's 5-6 people moaning constantly
you say this as if you've not offered a contrary opinion to our lovely cynical clique...which may get close to a debate?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:29:52
Is the point of a forum not to foster debate?  Don't read it if it annoys you, just like other likely ignore your ramblings about DNA and travels.

Oh do fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:30:21
You are most welcome


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:35:21
you say this as if you've not offered a contrary opinion to our lovely cynical clique...which may get close to a debate?

There was a time when I was part of a clique called the Happy Clappers, as labelled by Reg.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:44:32
This isn't just at you Batch but all of those achievements don't happen by themselves - Eady trust funded it but the Eady trust, the council, the Trust all had to be happy and is a massive achievement by all parties.

You do have this fixation on the ongoing loss, more or less all clubs at this level are losing money.  What is your point, as long as Clem is covering the loss (unless you know that he isn't?) then stadium development is going to be the biggest way to solve this, which is a long term project.

My point is we have seen cutbacks in squad budget and the losses aren't coming down.

If Clem can cover them, there is no problem.

My opinion is he's not going to be able to do that.

The stated aim is to be day to day breakeven at the end of this season isn't it (ab minutes earlier in the year).

I'd be more accepting of the on pitch squad decline of we had seen progress in ongoing losses


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:45:43
I think Batch refers to it because Clem suggested we needed to wash our own face, which can be read to say we need to either raise new revenue quickly or we cut costs from what we are spending right now.  It was indeed delivered in such a way that he would NOT be funding increasing the debt pile.

Of course, he can come out and say "not to worry, I have the funds to continue to underwrite 500k-1m of losses a year while we await the future benefits of ground development, upon which we will reap the benefits of increased revenues and profits to offset this investment".  But he hasn't.

Wish I'd read this first. That's it exactly


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:49:46
Quote from: STFC_Manc
That is actually wrong, a sunk cost in business terms means what you have invested to date. You can stop investing any more but you don't have to.

you're missing the very important point that skunk costs are generally not recoverable.

Clems 5M and "keilys" 2 are recoverable. nothing wrong with that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 27, 2023, 18:53:56
you're missing the very important point that skunk costs are generally not recoverable.

Clems 5M and "keilys" 2 are recoverable. nothing wrong with that

Skunk costs are smelly as well


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, October 27, 2023, 19:11:53
Skunk costs are smelly as well

There's certainly a stench around the place. Perhaps that's it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 27, 2023, 19:58:57
Is the point of a forum not to foster debate?  Don't read it if it annoys you, just like other likely ignore your ramblings about DNA and travels.

You are so right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, October 27, 2023, 20:26:13
STFC_Manc is 100% on a retainer from Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 20:30:08
Honestly like debate and envy people who look on life positively.

Just need to see the logic on the point they are making, but not necessarily agree with it.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, October 27, 2023, 20:31:36
STFC_Manc is 100% on a retainer from Clem.

Probably part of the Trust then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, October 27, 2023, 21:10:42
There was a time when I was part of a clique called the Happy Clappers, as labelled by Reg.

You either die a happy clapper or live long enough to become a moaner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, October 27, 2023, 21:16:12
Honestly like debate and envy people who look on life positively.

Just need to see the logic on the point they are making, but not necessarily agree with it.




I don't think a lot of 'happy clappers' care if there is that much logic in their thinking, they're just happy to overlook the negativity and be blissfully ignorant of it even if it is valid. Many even going as far as trying to shut it down as we've seen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 21:54:35
STFC_Manc is 100% on a retainer from Clem.

Why do you say that? It seems like you can express a positive view point on this forum, do I think everything Clem has done is right? no I don't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 21:55:31
Probably part of the Trust then.

By 'part of the trust' you mean being a member, then yes I have been a member for a long time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 21:59:23
My point is we have seen cutbacks in squad budget and the losses aren't coming down.

If Clem can cover them, there is no problem.

My opinion is he's not going to be able to do that.

The stated aim is to be day to day breakeven at the end of this season isn't it (ab minutes earlier in the year).

I'd be more accepting of the on pitch squad decline of we had seen progress in ongoing losses

So what do you think is going to happen if Clem can't cover the losses or bring cost down or make more money? I get that it is a risk but you continue to bring it up like its new news or you are some how going to get an answer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:08:23
you're missing the very important point that skunk costs are generally not recoverable.

Clems 5M and "keilys" 2 are recoverable. nothing wrong with that

I think you are missing the point here - a sunk cost has been spent and can't be recovered.  It doesn't mean people can't utilise the asset to make the money back as in what you are saying.

Unless you think Clem can get his money back from the people he has paid? i 100% agree that he might be able to get his money back by selling the asset in this case STFC.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:30:26
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So what do you think is going to happen if Clem can't cover the losses or bring cost down or make more money? I get that it is a risk but you continue to bring it up like its new news or you are some how going to get an answer.

I can't see where costs can be trimmed.

what do I think will happen if the situation isn't addressed? ultimately we'll go tits up under debt, or disappear into non league oblivion. But ultimately he'll sell up because otherwise all his money goes down the toilet.

I keep mentioning it because it's a problem that will dictate almost everything the FC does. Especially the playing budget.[/quote]


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:33:52
Quote from: STFC_Manc
So what do you think is going to happen if Clem can't cover the losses or bring cost down or make more money? I get that it is a risk but you continue to bring it up like its new news or you are some how going to get an answer.

I can't see where costs can be trimmed.

what do I think will happen if the situation isn't addressed? ultimately we'll go tits up under debt, or disappear into non league oblivion. But ultimately he'll sell up because otherwise all his money goes down the toilet.

I keep mentioning it because it's a problem that will dictate almost everything the FC does. Especially the playing budget.


Yes but you are not going to get an answer are you? Lets see what the accounts say in a few months?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:34:01
Quote from: STFC_Manc
I think you are missing the point here - a sunk cost has been spent and can't be recovered.  It doesn't mean people can't utilise the asset to make the money back as in what you are saying.

yeah, ok , fair enough.

the liability is still there though on the FC. Ok it's 'paper' debt and not callable (at least as far as we know). it's not unreasonable  for it to be stepped settled on sale of the club (though I doubt the club is worth the liability)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:37:14
yeah, ok , fair enough.

the liability is still there though on the FC. Ok it's 'paper' debt and not callable (at least as far as we know). it's not unreasonable  for it to be stepped settled on sale of the club (though I doubt the club is worth the liability)

I've not said it isn't, all I said is he paid off £6m/£7m of debt - I should have said external debt maybe but again people are being picky here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:37:26
Quote from: STFC_Manc
Yes but you are not going to get an answer are you? Lets see what the accounts say in a few months?

I don't know if I'll get an answer. I'll keep mentioning if it's all the same.

if the accounts say we've not lost 'at least' 500k (covered or not) then it's another loads of bollocks that Clem has been pushing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:38:43
no it's not picky.

paid off debt = a purchaser wouldn't have to cover it.

I think we are agreed it's far better as internal debt compared to external.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:40:39
I don't know if I'll get an answer. I'll keep mentioning if it's all the same.

if the accounts say we've not lost 'at least' 500k (covered or not) then it's another loads of bollocks that Clem has been pushing.

I will keep picking you up on it then, if you don't mind.  It will be fun to see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:43:24
no it's not picky.

paid off debt = a purchaser wouldn't have to cover it.

I think we are agreed it's far better as internal debt compared to external.

It is picky, you all know what I meant the club doesn't have a spare 50p let alone £7m.  Agreed debt to an owner is a lot better than debt to external parties.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:44:00
Picking my up for being concerned we are told we are "still losing 500k-1m" a season. Knock yourself out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:50:33
Picking my up for being concerned we are told we are "still losing 500k-1m" a season. Knock yourself out

For what it’s worth, you’re not alone in that concern.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 27, 2023, 22:52:34
For what it’s worth, you’re not alone in that concern.

I mean there isn't much we can do about it. But it's not like it's easy to knock 500-1m off the playing budget. So I'm hoping it's including one off costs.

Maybe our lawyer friend above can advise us. You're not Eddie P are you STFC_manc? 😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, October 27, 2023, 23:05:04
I mean there isn't much we can do about it. But it's not like it's easy to knock 500-1m off the playing budget. So I'm hoping it's including one off costs.

Maybe our lawyer friend above can advise us. You're not Eddie P are you STFC_manc? 😁

I think we are all concerned about it, however we can do fuck all about it. 

I wish I earn't as much as a lawyer! I'm not sure what one off's we had last year?  Maybe it includes money bringing the stadium up to standard?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 07:42:08
I'm assuming that a lot of the 'one off debt' are the various covid related loans that we are in the process of paying back to the EFL. These are being chipped away at when looking at the most up to date advisory board minutes.

Of the £623k still outstanding, £488k is payable to the EFL. I can't remember what the exact terms of those loans were but I'm fairly positive that they were interest free & there was no immediate deadline to get them paid by.

I did also ask the Trust on Twitter as to whether the money we've held in separate accounts, pending the outcome of non-football related debt that we are contesting, would be used towards these debts should the rulings fall in our favour but didn't get a response.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 07:55:46
I'm assuming that a lot of the 'one off debt' are the various covid related loans that we are in the process of paying back to the EFL. These are being chipped away at when looking at the most up to date advisory board minutes.
I did also ask the Trust on Twitter as to whether the money we've held in separate accounts, pending the outcome of non-football related debt that we are contesting, would be used towards these debts should the rulings fall in our favour but didn't get a response.

The efl  loans are on account in the AB minutes. They are being paid off slowly - well you wouldn't want to pay those off unless you have to so fair enough.

If the losses are one off stadium issues that's probably good news - assuming perpetual one off costs don't come up every year :)
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I just use the losses to put straight in my mind  expectations going forward. There isn't anything I can do about it , but pretty much all fan talk is linked to it in some way. If it's getting where we are as a club so be it. I have a few trust issues with the regime which could be unfounded, or not.

Oh why oh why couldn't Clem have come in without the power baggage. Simple. Up front. All in it together


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 08:03:26
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I wish I earn't as much as a lawyer!
Apologies for such a slur! I must have mixed you up with someone who used to post here

Edit: Aha, confusion clarified

I'm a lawyer and can confirm that the profession is indeed populated by cunts. And plenty of morons as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 17:45:45
On one level I almost respect Jody Morris for calling the club out when he was manager, as he has since.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 17:51:31
Chronic lack of investment in the playing squad.

Clems businesses are on their knees and he needs his money back- hence when we get planning permission for any redevelopment he will be off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 18:12:43
Bring back Power at least he brought in decent players🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 18:37:49
So is Clem currently trying to sell the club?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 18:39:09
So is Clem currently trying to sell the club?



Do you know something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 18:45:00
Do you know something?

Just seen it bandied around on Twatter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 18:48:08
I mean he couldn’t run the club anymore as if he doesn’t give a fuck, so I wouldn’t be surprised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 18:51:55
I mean he couldn’t run the club anymore as if he doesn’t give a fuck, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
Doing bare minimum to keep it operational so wouldn’t be surprised either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:03:48
So is Clem currently trying to sell the club?



Well you say that. I couldn’t blame him if he was. This thread of conversation has been the hot topic the last two days in LL Towers. To my mind Clem bought the club because the articles of association and memorandum meant that General Spiv Pee Lower had to offer the sinking ship to other shareholders AKA Clem (being the only one), after a long hard fought court battle to get his 10-15% share holding upheld. Upon realising his £1.15m was going down the pan he had no option but to buy the club from Pee Lower or see it end up in the hands of Pee Lowers mates (Able) via the back door.

That’s where the fairy tail ends. Once digger realised how much debt there was visible and then more invisible came out it was too late to just kiss goodbye to his initial investment. He was now the sole owner of a club with a debt mountain that Chris Bonnington might have thought twice about climbing.

As things have turned out there was a shining silver knight on a white steed in the form of Nigel Eady. Still a lot of work to do but that is over the line now and with Diggers back ground in ‘construction’ there be a profit to be had. The problem you see is this profit is in the form of a huge fuck off treasure chest. To get to this Valhalla think Pirates of the Caribbean meets Indian Jones. Just a few obstacles to overcome. First one keeping the club going and ‘viable’ until he can get his hands on the Ark or the Treasure Chest AKA a new stadium.

Snakes and ladders meets monopoly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:09:10
Well you say that. I couldn’t blame him if he was. This thread of conversation has been the hot topic the last two days in LL Towers. To my mind Clem bought the club because the articles of association and memorandum meant that General Spiv Pee Lower had to offer the sinking ship to other shareholders AKA Clem (being the only one), after a long hard fought court battle to get his 10-15% share holding upheld. Upon realising his £1.15m was going down the pan he had no option but to buy the club from Pee Lower or see it end up in the hands of Pee Lowers mates (Able) via the back door.

That’s where the fairy tail ends. Once digger realised how much debt there was visible and then more invisible came out it was too late to just kiss goodbye to his initial investment. He was now the sole owner of a club with a debt mountain that Chris Bonnington might have thought twice about climbing.

As things have turned out there was a shining silver knight on a white steed in the form of Nigel Eady. Still a lot of work to do but that is over the line now and with Diggers back ground in ‘construction’ there be a profit to be had. The problem you see is this profit is in the form of a huge fuck off treasure chest. To get to this Valhalla think Pirates of the Caribbean meets Indian Jones. Just a few obstacles to overcome. First one keeping the club going and ‘viable’ until he can get his hands on the Ark or the Treasure Chest AKA a new stadium.

Snakes and ladders meets monopoly.

With Michael Standing playing the role of Pop up Pirate


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:13:15
My theory is the ownership are just putting the bare minimum in to keep the club ticking over, no firther investment and then sell the club.

Probably want a fucking stupid asking price mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:18:16
My theory is the ownership are just putting the bare minimum in to keep the club ticking over, no firther investment and then sell the club.

Probably want a fucking stupid asking price mind
My concern is he is doing exactly that but with no intention of selling. Just keeping us plodding along until he can do something with the CG re-development. In which case unless Flynn or another manager can work minor miracles, we aren’t going to be getting out of L2 anytime soon!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:21:30
My concern is he is doing exactly that but with no intention of selling. Just keeping us plodding along until he can do something with the CG re-development. In which case unless Flynn or another manager can work minor miracles, we aren’t going to be getting out of L2 anytime soon!

Of course not. That takes money. And based on our budget so far at least an additional 33%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:30:06
My concern is he is doing exactly that but with no intention of selling. Just keeping us plodding along until he can do something with the CG re-development. In which case unless Flynn or another manager can work minor miracles, we aren’t going to be getting out of L2 anytime soon!
Probably trying to get do the bare minimum in the hope he can get some planning permissions in place that justify a decent price tag. I don’t think he gives 2 shits about us on the pitch and wouldn’t really be fussed if we fell out the league. 

One nagging concern I have is whether some of the hangers on would allow a sale in case any dodgy stuff came out into the open afterwards or whether the club is a necessary conduit for their other activities like Karachi etc:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:32:58
Probably trying to get do the bare minimum in the hope he can get some planning permissions in place that justify a decent price tag. I don’t think he gives 2 shits about us on the pitch and wouldn’t really be fussed if we fell out the league. 

One nagging concern I have is whether some of the hangers on would allow a sale in case any dodgy stuff came out into the open afterwards or whether the club is a necessary conduit for their other activities like Karachi etc:

That’s it. I don’t see how Standing gets his pound of flesh if Clem sells up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 23:47:47
Top five attendances in L2 to date.

1) Bradford 17,922
2) Notts C. 11,781
3) Wrexham 10,114
4) Swindon 8,978
5) Stockport C. 8,954
7) Mansfield  7,544

Corresponding league position

1) Stockport
2) Notts C.
3) Wrexham
4) Mansfield
5) Crew A.
9) Swindon
16) Bradford

Yes I know I have added a few additional lines over the ‘five’ but that is to add a bit more context. Bradford skew this but as they charge two Bob and a lollipop for their season tickets their income comes back to nearer everyone else’s I suspect?

So about this competitive budget…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 09:22:56
Personally I’m still not convinced that we are being told the truth and that Clem is the true owner. Maybe he is maybe he isn’t but something niggles at me he might just be the frontman, the face if you like. He was everywhere when first took over, now nowhere to be seen. Claimed at the beginning to be able to better Ables £7m bid but didn’t have the money to pay off the £2m debenture when required? Still think a lot rests on the Power/Standing court case. Can understand why nobody seems willing to plough funds in for players in case they don’t get a return. Maybe Clem is just skint but the more I think about things and anything to do with our club it just seems to be murkier the deeper you go. People forget Clem was part of the Power regime. And why did Rob Angus really resign? Family reasons is a simple but vague answer. I might be in the minority but I feel there is worse to come yet. Just wish we could have new owners that have absolutely no ties or history with Power/Clem/Standing etc, fed up with shady owners running our wonderful club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 10:07:07
Do we know when the court case/s are due to be heard? I’m sure something has been posted but I may be imagining it? If there are scheduled dates could that then give us a better understanding of where we may be going on the pitch?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 12:13:33
Can’t remember the date as such but I know the court case is over the ownership dispute. Something like Clem at the time owned 15% and Power 85% but Standing claims to own 50% of Powers share? What if Standing wins the case? Does that mean the transfer of ownership from Power to Clem could be itself in dispute?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 12:25:44
Can’t remember the date as such but I know the court case is over the ownership dispute. Something like Clem at the time owned 15% and Power 85% but Standing claims to own 50% of Powers share? What if Standing wins the case? Does that mean the transfer of ownership from Power to Clem could be itself in dispute?

I wouldn't have thought so but Standing will be looking for compensation?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 12:29:53
Can’t remember the date as such but I know the court case is over the ownership dispute. Something like Clem at the time owned 15% and Power 85% but Standing claims to own 50% of Powers share? What if Standing wins the case? Does that mean the transfer of ownership from Power to Clem could be itself in dispute?
I’m not sure what the best outcome is for the club - if, indeed, there is one.

If Standing proves he did own 50% of Power’s 85% I suppose that puts the club in breach of the FA rules on illegal funding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 12:39:14
Can’t remember the date as such but I know the court case is over the ownership dispute. Something like Clem at the time owned 15% and Power 85% but Standing claims to own 50% of Powers share? What if Standing wins the case? Does that mean the transfer of ownership from Power to Clem could be itself in dispute?

I don't think so either. I think it was cleared (with standing)  before clem took over.

My CT head still thinks standing will become involved with STFC in this scenario. Though Clem says not. But we'll see.

Auds point about ownership rules is an interesting one. Another reason to be in league 1 when charges hit, we'd have a safety net. Speaking from a position of extreme ignorance mind (what's new). I have no idea what punishments are on the table


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 13:03:41
Reinstatement of Sheridactyl would be the ultimate punishment.

Did the club profit from the funding to the detriment of other clubs?


Of course, the legal outcome of the case makes it easy for the FA to find the club guilty without the need for an inquiry or any further proof.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 13:08:15
I don't think so either. I think it was cleared (with standing)  before clem took over.

My CT head still thinks standing will become involved with STFC in this scenario. Though Clem says not. But we'll see.

Auds point about ownership rules is an interesting one. Another reason to be in league 1 when charges hit, we'd have a safety net. Speaking from a position of extreme ignorance mind (what's new). I have no idea what punishments are on the table

I seem to think that Clem stated that if Standing was declared to be the owner of 50% of Powers 85% that he (Clem) would or had the means to pay Standing the estimated money for sole ownership of the club, FA, ELF punishment not withstanding. Also that any punishment of the club would be financial and that again money had been set aside for that eventuality. Happy for someone to correct me if I’m wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 13:16:07
Hope you’re not wrong!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 13:27:13
My theory is the ownership are just putting the bare minimum in to keep the club ticking over, no firther investment and then sell the club.

Probably want a fucking stupid asking price mind

This.

At this point if Clem is that hard up would he sell the club for £1 and his money back putting the club in a truly debt free position? He'd probably want a bit of a profit but how realistic is that? He might consider it on some assurance he'll be involved in redevelopment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 13:55:47
Given the long term nature of a development and the risks that are still inherent in any such venture providing a good enough return, I think that is precisely the most likely exit strategy for Clem.  The one that makes most sense - stabalise the club off the field, clear the debts and transfer them to Directors Loans, get planning permission for the Ground and tie up the contracts for construction as needed with the JV.  Then, sell-up.  He has made the potential purchase of the business look a little less fraught with pot holes by tidying up the balance sheet.  The development of the ground gives an upside coming to any potential investor and Clem still gets to make some money from that deal by being either a lead or sub contractor.  He can strike a deal for paying him the money owned, either upfront or over a period of time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CotswoldsCJ on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 14:21:09
One possibility for the current lack of funding for the squad maybe that the club has been given a heads up by the FA that a points deduction is incoming and so any money sunk in the paying squad would be wasted this season.  Maybe we’re funded to get enough points to stay up after, say, a 15 point deduction


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:52:34
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
Of course not. That takes money. And based on our budget so far at least an additional 33%

plenty of money be made out the flats on the CG car park

(for the avoidance of doubt, this is a joke)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 15:55:07
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
I seem to think that Clem stated that if Standing was declared to be the owner of 50% of Powers 85% that he (Clem) would or had the means to pay Standing the estimated money for sole ownership of the club, FA, ELF punishment not withstanding. Also that any punishment of the club would be financial and that again money had been set aside for that eventuality. Happy for someone to correct me if I’m wrong.


eek. didn't realise there was Clem money in the game


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 16:26:56
One possibility for the current lack of funding for the squad maybe that the club has been given a heads up by the FA that a points deduction is incoming and so any money sunk in the paying squad would be wasted this season.  Maybe we’re funded to get enough points to stay up after, say, a 15 point deduction


At least that would make some sort of sense compared to the shite we have to hear from Clems apologists.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 16:47:26
I seem to think that Clem stated that if Standing was declared to be the owner of 50% of Powers 85% that he (Clem) would or had the means to pay Standing the estimated money for sole ownership of the club, FA, ELF punishment not withstanding. Also that any punishment of the club would be financial and that again money had been set aside for that eventuality. Happy for someone to correct me if I’m wrong.
Kind of feel that if the outcome of the Standing Vs Power case is that Standing was indeed found to be 50% owner of the club, it would have only applied pre-sale so would more likely be a case of Power owing X from the sale or X for other grounds, rather than Standing now being entitled to X % of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, October 29, 2023, 18:18:27
Kind of feel that if the outcome of the Standing Vs Power case is that Standing was indeed found to be 50% owner of the club, it would have only applied pre-sale so would more likely be a case of Power owing X from the sale or X for other grounds, rather than Standing now being entitled to X % of the club.

That would make logical sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 30, 2023, 10:33:43
My theory is the ownership are just putting the bare minimum in to keep the club ticking over, no firther investment and then sell the club.

Probably want a fucking stupid asking price mind

Pretty much this is being stated as FACT by some on Twitter.
Kind of feel that if the outcome of the Standing Vs Power case is that Standing was indeed found to be 50% owner of the club, it would have only applied pre-sale so would more likely be a case of Power owing X from the sale or X for other grounds, rather than Standing now being entitled to X % of the club.

Frankly that would be an argument between Standing and Power, Power was touting himself as 85/100% owner at the PoS, so tough. Albeit I do wonder whether Clem's taking over was with the blessing of Standing and we may see change if Standings ownership is proven in court.

Given the long term nature of a development and the risks that are still inherent in any such venture providing a good enough return, I think that is precisely the most likely exit strategy for Clem.  The one that makes most sense - stabalise the club off the field, clear the debts and transfer them to Directors Loans, get planning permission for the Ground and tie up the contracts for construction as needed with the JV.  Then, sell-up.  He has made the potential purchase of the business look a little less fraught with pot holes by tidying up the balance sheet.  The development of the ground gives an upside coming to any potential investor and Clem still gets to make some money from that deal by being either a lead or sub contractor.  He can strike a deal for paying him the money owned, either upfront or over a period of time.

I know I keep saying this, but no property investor in their right mind would take on a development where contracts were already in place with an associated party of the vendor, it would be  massive conflict of interest and the scope for compensation events in any subsequent construction would be an enormous and entirely unknown liability.

My fear is if this is Clem's exit strategy then he is going to either struggle to exit whilst understandably not putting a bean into the business bar basic running costs to keep it afloat or we get some clueless numbnuts who thinks the ground development is some sort of golden goose (which it really isn't*) and then realises that they don't have the cash to do the development plus keep the club on anything bar prison rations.

* The developments which have made decent cash for club/owner are those with a decent amount of land and lucrative commercial development value, think MK with the Asda/Ikea/Retail Park around the ground or Brentford with an incredibly supportive Council (possibly too supportive) and the scope for a shed load of residential development around the wider ground, we might get a Travelodge/Costa drive through a bit of commercial (both of which will want a decent bit of car parking) and not much else as there isn't that much land!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 12:01:04
It wasn't that long ago that the Trust believed they had an interested party who would develop the Town End into something amazing, pay for it all themselves BUT want to retain any earned revenue from the new facility for 10 years in return.  That facility would still need contractors.

You keep bringing up the fact that money is tough to make in such an industry - I don't doubt it, but clearly some people think they can make that money.  Nobody is saying whether or not we will make a success of such a plan, just that it seems a logical plan to make (if you did think you were the one who could do it right).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Monday, October 30, 2023, 12:27:33
Redevelopment will cost  a fortune - it makes sense in the short term to just make the place remotely functional for the next five years. Put in some modular cabins for the SB loos and a MOT failed food truck like Newport do - anything!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 30, 2023, 12:56:21
It wasn't that long ago that the Trust believed they had an interested party who would develop the Town End into something amazing, pay for it all themselves BUT want to retain any earned revenue from the new facility for 10 years in return.  That facility would still need contractors.

This is interesting, I never heard this. Without disclosing the party, what industry?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 30, 2023, 13:21:32
You keep bringing up the fact that money is tough to make in such an industry - I don't doubt it, but clearly some people think they can make that money.  Nobody is saying whether or not we will make a success of such a plan, just that it seems a logical plan to make (if you did think you were the one who could do it right).

Money isn't that tough to make in property (although harder than Dion Dublin would have you believe), it is getting much harder than it was a couple of years ago in the present economic climate.

However, there are considerably easier ways to make money in property without the deal coming with an added dead weight of a football club also needing funding (with a substantial customer base who are going to call you a cunt at the first opportunity if you don't do what they demand) and/or contracts already in place for the vendors other business to build the bloody thing, meaning everything i going to get mired in willy waving competitions between QS's about compensation events every 5 minutes.

It could potentially work if there were a developer Town fan out there who was prepared to take the risk and had the capital and skills to deliver, but I would suspect if such a mythical person existed they would have shown their face before now, so instead we are probably looking at the Jed McCrory end of the development market, so that will be great fun.

Out of interest, it would be interesting to know how the titles for the overall site are broken down, for instance I assume that the covenant is only applied for the footprint of the ground and does not extend to the CG car park or the bit between the DRS and the MR which one would hope are covered by separate titles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 30, 2023, 13:29:14
I always thought the land was given by the Goddard estate before the stadium was built. But looking around that isn't correct.

Obviously need the covenant to be sure but from this it appears to be the whole site (whatever that is, but must at least include the car park as we bought that as part of the deal)

https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/19882202.latest-swindon-town-council-talks-county-ground-sale/

Quote
Coun Renard added: “That covenant is still in place and it says the whole site must be used for sports and leisure purposes and I don’t imagine the Goddard estate would be looking to lift that covenant.

Though that is from former cllr Renard, so ...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, October 30, 2023, 13:46:46
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 13:50:57
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan

Really good piece. Thanks for sharing.

Imagine having an owner with a genuine strategic vision like this... sigh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, October 30, 2023, 13:51:35
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan

Very good piece that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:02:02
This is interesting, I never heard this. Without disclosing the party, what industry?

My searching skills are shit, that took ages.

It starts before this page, but the detail is here:

https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=56920.570

and it came from this meeting:

https://truststfc.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/2018-AGM-Pack.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:22:31
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan

This has actually depressed me even more to be honest. Compare with the absolute tripe that we are served up in the Advisory board by a revolving cast of shysters, liars and fools... we are miles off it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:31:29
This has actually depressed me even more to be honest. Compare with the absolute tripe that we are served up in the Advisory board by a revolving cast of shysters, liars and fools... we are miles off it.

Well unless you've got a better idea of how to run the football club or win the lottery or something and see how you do!

Sorry Steff the Troll got in to my account for a moment there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:36:35
If you could revive something like that with a developer, it would leave the club to concentrate on much smaller jobs like Stratton Bank and boxes in the DRS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:40:06
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan

Thanks for ruining my day.
Not even got over the Saturday and you post that.
😂😂

We don’t even have a plan, let alone 1,2,3,4,5,6 or 7.

2,600 Supporters away from home and can’t even fill the bench.

Relentless Misery Supporting Swindon - the day when we can start again, chancer free would just be incredible.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:41:08
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan

Fuck me you wouldn't want to be sat next to him at a dinner party....

Would be interesting to know how much the owner has spent getting them to this position, in terms of wealth their owner is a completely different league to Clem (and unlike Clem actually does have the business already st up to develop a ground!) plus he is a local lad done good etc.

Yeah its been pretty well mapped out and delivered, but in terms of having the financial nouse to actually deliver its comparing apples and pears!

Considering how affluent business is in Swindon it never ceases to amaze me that we have never managed to find owners with a pot to piss in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:43:44
We had them, we just had a CEO and Manager who spunked their money for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:49:34
Fuck me you wouldn't want to be sat next to him at a dinner party....

Would be interesting to know how much the owner has spent getting them to this position, in terms of wealth their owner is a completely different league to Clem (and unlike Clem actually does have the business already st up to develop a ground!) plus he is a local lad done good etc.

Yeah its been pretty well mapped out and delivered, but in terms of having the financial nouse to actually deliver its comparing apples and pears!

Considering how affluent business is in Swindon it never ceases to amaze me that we have never managed to find owners with a pot to piss in.

They do not produce full accounts, so tough to tell, but you can assume they spend more than we do given their loss for 21/22 was a smidge under 5m!!!!!!!!!  edit:  Given their stated Revenue number, plus the actual loss banked in the Balance Sheet, they must have gone through nearly 10m in 2021/22.  No idea whether that reflects a huge wage bill on players, or if that supports the move to build and grow an Academy and other expenses though.  As referenced before, Crewe fork out over 1m a year to maintain their Academy status, it's not unreasonable to assume at least the same for Stockport given they started from scratch.

Now, the difference here is they have not loaded up debt to get there, they converted nearly 8m in loans to Equity, so the club now owes nothing to the owners as a result (or back then).

https://www.stockportcounty.com/club-statement-mark-stott-investment/

https://www.stockportcounty.com/stockport-county-announce-annual-financial-results/

It all sounds good, but I'd want to see the Hardware they talk about - it's the bit we don't seem to have much of a plan for, so would be interested to know what Stockport have in return for all that spend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:50:55
We had them, we just had a CEO and Manager who spunked their money for them.

Indeed, but I never really understood what was in it for Black/Arbib etc, even with the Stockport guy you can see the appeal for him of the prestige of a local lad giving back, possibly sticking two fingers up after he didn't do well at school etc, uplifting the value of his asset through developing ground/training grounds etc. None of that seems to have applied to Black/Arbib, my memory is crap, did they actually attend games that often?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 14:52:41
I always felt it was Fitton convincing his well off mates to back him


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 15:00:19
I always felt it was Fitton convincing his well off mates to back him

Certainly the case with Arbib as I understand it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, October 30, 2023, 15:17:04
Fuck me you wouldn't want to be sat next to him at a dinner party....

Would be interesting to know how much the owner has spent getting them to this position, in terms of wealth their owner is a completely different league to Clem (and unlike Clem actually does have the business already st up to develop a ground!) plus he is a local lad done good etc.

Yeah its been pretty well mapped out and delivered, but in terms of having the financial nouse to actually deliver its comparing apples and pears!

Considering how affluent business is in Swindon it never ceases to amaze me that we have never managed to find owners with a pot to piss in.

“Considering how affluent business is in Swindon it never ceases to amaze me that we have never managed to find owners with a pot to piss in.”

Might have something to do with the scruples and modus operandi of the owners. Look at the motley crew we have had since Diamandis. Look who they’ve sold out to or been taken over by. I think with the exception of Sir Seton Wills (recently) everyone has seen the club as a cash cow to make money out of without actually investing anything in that was sustainable or for the long term betterment of the clubs facilities, club and supporters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 15:30:27
“Considering how affluent business is in Swindon it never ceases to amaze me that we have never managed to find owners with a pot to piss in.”

Might have something to do with the scruples and modus operandi of the owners. Look at the motley crew we have had since Diamandis. Look who they’ve sold out to or been taken over by. I think with the exception of Sir Seton Wills (recently) everyone has seen the club as a cash cow to make money out of without actually investing anything in that was sustainable or for the long term betterment of the clubs facilities, club and supporters.

What right minded business would get into bed with Jed/Power/Clem?

I wouldn't touch the club whilst it has the personalities in the wings that it does. Unnecessary risk of reputational damage.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 30, 2023, 15:57:26
Yeah I''ll be honest, even if I won the Euro Millions tomorrow I'd have zero interest getting involved without a total clear out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:06:55
Yeah, I couldn't imagine anyone doing a Clem and just chucking a million or so into the club with no say on what it’s used for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:10:10
Yeah, I couldn't imagine anyone doing a Clem and just chucking a million or so into the club with no say on what it’s used for.

An early indicator that we were not dealing with a sharp operator. #RealDeal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:28:09
Power was either a very good salesman or his hangers on were in the room with sufficient weaponry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:30:10
Power never went anywhere without his bodyguard :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:32:22
Power never went anywhere without his bodyguard :D

Was that Tim Sherwood's role?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:32:58
Yeah, I couldn't imagine anyone doing a Clem and just chucking a million or so into the club with no say on what it’s used for.

Do you think that the £1m for 15% of Powers shares went to the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:34:06
Was that Tim Sherwood's role?

That’s the one😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:43:38
Do you think that the £1m for 15% of Powers shares went to the club?

Why would it, Power owned those shares, it would be up to him what he did with the cash when he flogged them off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:54:47
Why would it, Power owned those shares, it would be up to him what he did with the cash when he flogged them off.

Yes that was my point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:57:28
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17778315.swindon-town-non-executive-vice-chairman-clem-morfuni-keen-seal-purchase-15-per-cent-stake-club/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:03:57
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17778315.swindon-town-non-executive-vice-chairman-clem-morfuni-keen-seal-purchase-15-per-cent-stake-club/

Morfuni added: “There won’t be any smoke and mirrors. Going into this with supporters means absolute transparency and I am fully committed to that.

“Regardless of what people say about Lee, I believe he genuinely wants the club to move forward.

“But if you don’t engage with supporters, you don’t get interest in the club and people into your ground.

“That’s where I come in. Despite the distance, I’m always there to chat to supporters over the phone.

“You can ask me anything and I’ll do my best to help, I want the feedback, I want to know what people think.”



Do you still want to know what people think Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:16:07
Why would it, Power owned those shares, it would be up to him what he did with the cash when he flogged them off.

And that IIRC was the thorny issue in not giving Clem a Bone Fide share certificate because it impacted on Pee Lowers tax liability.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:16:49
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17778315.swindon-town-non-executive-vice-chairman-clem-morfuni-keen-seal-purchase-15-per-cent-stake-club/

Thanks for the link


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:30:37
Interesting piece on Stockports Director of Football who covers a bit about the process the owner took in identifying Stockport as a club to buy and develop.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/simon-wilson-stockport-countys-seven-year-plan

I’m not saying that I do/don’t think SDM was onto something here but I reckon if he’d come out with some explanatory/vision pieces like this following the summer and winter window explaining certain decisions and the longer term vision (to a sensible extent that doesn’t over share) then he’d have gotten a lot less shit here.

He’d have had a hard time giving reasoning for some decisions but if he’d come out with a piece after the January window explaining Reed was moved on due to contract status etc and not wanting to extend and then explained the longer term planning for the squad that gives fans some sense of “there’s a plan here” then it would have allowed fans to buy in more than they did because I think the stats based approach was the right one, just executed poorly.

What happened though was we got the “everyone is up for sale for a price” and “we’re going to sell quickly” side of the sword (which may be true) and fans rightly asked what’s going on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:45:29
On reading the case summary and decision in the Power vs Standing Fortification request, there is a fantastic conspiracy theory I hadn't properly considered.

Clem provided text messages to the Court in his case against Power that were used in the Power vs Standing one, where Power is befuddled by people talking about Able being on the scene to buy the club.  Power also submitted as evidence, initially, that he'd not seen the letter of intent.

Got me thinking, wonder if someone, like Zav, got pissed off with Power and stitched him up (pretending to be a buyer from overseas).  Knowing that any potential sale would trigger events to enable Clem to step in - all Clem had to do was go to Court to confirm he was a 15% shareholder and therefore would have the right to bid on the remaining shares.

Would explain Zav having a visit to A&E.

The delights of our club ownership!

However it came about, Clem chucked some money in and Power ran off with it and Clem ended up with the club and having to pay a Debenture that had twice been claimed as paid off or purchased.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:49:40
What’s good ‘ol Lee up to these days. Wasn’t he supposed to buying a club in Albania or Bulgaria.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Monday, October 30, 2023, 20:33:42
What’s good ‘ol Lee up to these days. Wasn’t he supposed to buying a club in Albania or Bulgaria.

Advising Morfuni on how to run a football club...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 30, 2023, 20:45:55
Or how not to


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 30, 2023, 20:50:08
What’s good ‘ol Lee up to these days. Wasn’t he supposed to buying a club in Albania or Bulgaria.

"His" STFC car was found in Switzerland. I assume back there he's fucked


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, October 30, 2023, 20:54:39
Believe he’s part of a consortium with Jed McCory and Mike Diamandis looking to buy the club from Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, October 30, 2023, 21:58:36
Believe he’s part of a consortium with Jed McCory and Mike Diamandis looking to buy the club from Clem.

Dream team 😍


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 30, 2023, 22:31:30
Dream team 😍

No Callum Rice, no party


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 08:49:49
I see Carlisle are the latest club to be in line for a takeover from an American company. If they can manage it you'd have thought we could.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:06:44
I see Carlisle are the latest club to be in line for a takeover from an American company. If they can manage it you'd have thought we could.

Able would have been an American company - doesn't mean it's a good takeover


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:12:45
True. 98% of the fans voted for them though, so they must have at least talked a good game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:13:30
I notice a few of the owners from the Far East are having ongoing funding problems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:18:53
It does appear that the consortiums involved in buying football clubs is shifting from asia/middle east towards North America, certainly in the lower leagues with recent takeovers at Gillingham, Walsall, Wycombe I think having yank owners. It won't all be down to what Reynolds and McElhanny have done at Wrexham but I imagine it has woken up quite a lot of American sports investors who have seen what is possible with a football club over here. Tom Brady at Birmingham I guess is the next highest profile investor.

As for us, I think it's evident that we need a clean break from Morfuni and the rest of the gang. I'm unsure whether that's likely until these (seemingly never ending) court cases are done and all the various people that have fingers in the STFC pie have had their pay off. If I had 15-20million to invest in a football club, there are so many pros (ironically i'm not talking about footballers on the payroll here) that you could list about the place - big town, big loyal fanbase, good community ties, big local businesses, good part of the country geographically etc etc.

Sadly the cons, appear to be exactly that, the cons that are behind the scenes doing god only knows what. In my mind, the squad we have and the transfer deadline happenings prove that Clem isn't playing ball anymore. The days of him putting a bucket hat on and pulling pints in the local hostelries are over. I really hope whoever the next incumbent of the football club are, we have a totally clean break. When that might be, fuck only knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:31:31
On reading the case summary and decision in the Power vs Standing Fortification request, there is a fantastic conspiracy theory I hadn't properly considered.

Clem provided text messages to the Court in his case against Power that were used in the Power vs Standing one, where Power is befuddled by people talking about Able being on the scene to buy the club.  Power also submitted as evidence, initially, that he'd not seen the letter of intent.

Got me thinking, wonder if someone, like Zav, got pissed off with Power and stitched him up (pretending to be a buyer from overseas).  Knowing that any potential sale would trigger events to enable Clem to step in - all Clem had to do was go to Court to confirm he was a 15% shareholder and therefore would have the right to bid on the remaining shares.

Would explain Zav having a visit to A&E.

The delights of our club ownership!

However it came about, Clem chucked some money in and Power ran off with it and Clem ended up with the club and having to pay a Debenture that had twice been claimed as paid off or purchased.

I am not sure whether you are joking or not, but the opportunities for back stabbing are enormous and I have had similar thoughts for quite some time.

What’s good ‘ol Lee up to these days. Wasn’t he supposed to buying a club in Albania or Bulgaria.

A friend of mine is presently doing some work for a close associate of Mr Power, I believe the phrase used is 'biding his time'. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:32:30
True. 98% of the fans voted for them though, so they must have at least talked a good game.

So did Clem who a large proportion of our fan base now want rid of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:38:03
So did Clem who a large proportion of our fan base now want rid of.

A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:43:06
A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

Not that the people I speak to cover the whole fanbase but they’re multiple different groups of people across multiple age groups and for once this is the first time that everyone’s been on the same page when we talk (fed up entirely). The grumblings around me in the DRS are also for once all saying the same thing, fed up.

Again, that’s obviously not proportionate to the whole fanbase but it’s the first time (other than the end of Power) that everyone’s been on the same page and that page is not good.

A lot are locked into ST’s now based on the end of seasons comments about competitive budgets etc and feel conned, be interesting to see how next season stands on that front.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:51:53
...doesn't mean it's a good takeover

That's true of any takeover, ever!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:55:07
A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

Maybe. But I'd go to football regardless.

Have we got to the point of wanting Clem out? Not sure that's quite been the underlying current - high degrees of skepticism, derision and worry for the future yes. No arguments there.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 09:57:51
Maybe. But I'd go to football regardless.

Have we got to the point of wanting Clem out? Not sure that's quite been the underlying current - high degrees of skepticism, derision and worry for the future yes. No arguments there.



Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:00:51
A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

This is true, but don't forget the loyalty of a football fan runs much deeper than a 'normal' person. I'd say the number of fans that aren't currently going because of Clem is probably a tiny number. People only really stopped going because of Lee Power quite a way into his tenure.

I know this competitive budget thing is difficult to measure and has been discussed vehemently over the past weekend, but it appears that a number of fans are now looking at where we are currently, with a solid first 14/15 players, but not a huge lot else beyond that. Selling our 4th choice striker without a viable replacement come the end of the transfer window I think also made people sit up and think - hang on, are we actually going to try and get a decent squad now we can only sign free agents?

The next few months are going to be crucial, particularly come the end of January. That cry of 'come and support us and we'll put out a team capable of promotion' isn't going to wash next season if this season falls flat on it's face. It may not, it's too early to tell, but if we continue to trend downwards as we did in October then it doesn't look great. I'm still hopeful, but as I get older I wonder if that's just senility. :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:13:13
A large part of our fan base, or a large part of thetownend - they aren't the same thing.  We wouldn't be still getting very high gates, higher YTD than the previous two seasons if this was the case.

Possibly so, as I don't attend games very often I get much of a steer from here and mainly Twitter and in both cases it is frankly depressing reading a  heck of a lot of posts.

Again, that’s obviously not proportionate to the whole fanbase but it’s the first time (other than the end of Power) that everyone’s been on the same page and that page is not good.

A lot are locked into ST’s now based on the end of seasons comments about competitive budgets etc and feel conned, be interesting to see how next season stands on that front.

Jesus, is it even worse than the Diamandis days where for long periods of time it wasn't clear if the club would last the week, doesn't bode well?

I 'pose its all swings and roundabouts, if the club came out and said we don't have the money to have a 'competitive budget' then would fans bother, which would make the budget even smaller, give and take between fan base and owners?

Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

Not sure how Clem can 'sort it out' to the satisfaction of many, some on here often refer to him as a crook and even if he has a massive clear out in the background not sure how that opinion changes?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:15:08
Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

I think most people I know feel like that, he massively blundered over the summer over the lies about ownership.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:48:24
Maybe. But I'd go to football regardless.

Have we got to the point of wanting Clem out? Not sure that's quite been the underlying current - high degrees of skepticism, derision and worry for the future yes. No arguments there.



Not all fans are as loyal as you and me and we are getting 3k+ people paying on the day.  Agreed in the last few weeks it's turned because of form and lack of squad depth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:56:58
Yeah I think that’s accurate. Most with criticism aren’t “Clem out” they’re more “Clem sort it out”

I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:58:55
I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.
Agree 100%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:11:49
I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

Yup. We need to go back and find the exact moment that Jed got hold of Gray's Sports Almanac otherwise it is next stop Clem's Town End Casino. I see Paolo playing the unhinged teacher with the shotgun.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:20:02
I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

That's lovely and all that, but that ain't gonna happen, so what does sorting it out entail which will be acceptable to our fans, he obviously hasn't got any more cash to fling in so the budget will remain what the budget is (or most likley drop as fans stop going/don't renew next year when we don't get promoted) leading to ever greater disquiet, he has never indicated that he has any intention of getting shot of those in the background, so we are stuck in a perpetuating misery??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:38:12
I'd like a clean break from the timeline created as soon as Black/Patey gave McCrory the keys to the club.

I suppose that makes me 'Clem Out' but I'm content for him to 'sort it out' if he can.

I wouldn’t be opposed to that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:39:30
I am not sure whether you are joking or not, but the opportunities for back stabbing are enormous and I have had similar thoughts for quite some time.

A friend of mine is presently doing some work for a close associate of Mr Power, I believe the phrase used is 'biding his time'. 

I mean Power got the club by backstabbing Jed in the first place. They're all at it.

'biding his time' sounds ominous.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:43:26
This is true, but don't forget the loyalty of a football fan runs much deeper than a 'normal' person. I'd say the number of fans that aren't currently going because of Clem is probably a tiny number. People only really stopped going because of Lee Power quite a way into his tenure.


My final straw of no more money at all with Power was the Bristol Rovers abandoned game no refund, so can be pin pointed. Although I was royally pissed off and rarely going before that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:53:44
That's lovely and all that, but that ain't gonna happen, so what does sorting it out entail which will be acceptable to our fans, he obviously hasn't got any more cash to fling in so the budget will remain what the budget is (or most likley drop as fans stop going/don't renew next year when we don't get promoted) leading to ever greater disquiet, he has never indicated that he has any intention of getting shot of those in the background, so we are stuck in a perpetuating misery??

Either give us the completive budget we were promised or give us some real and logical answers of why we can stretch little beyond a first XI and a couple of back ups.

Is he getting some of his money back on the loans at the moment because he is skint? That would at least make sense and we'd be reducing our real debt.

He either needs to provide answers or given our past, I'll assume he's a cunt and we'll being fleeced, because things don't add up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:02:12
That's lovely and all that, but that ain't gonna happen, so what does sorting it out entail which will be acceptable to our fans, he obviously hasn't got any more cash to fling in so the budget will remain what the budget is (or most likley drop as fans stop going/don't renew next year when we don't get promoted) leading to ever greater disquiet, he has never indicated that he has any intention of getting shot of those in the background, so we are stuck in a perpetuating misery??

It's something worthy of debate.

If we accept the positive thoughts, that Clem is doing the best he can and has the best intentions and maybe Flynn forgot about the second bank account we keep for a rainy day, then what can we expect if Clem is out of money?

If we finish outside the play offs this season, I'd expect next seasons attendances to drift down again - we rode the Covid wave which was enhanced by the Clem riding in on a Unicorn moment, but our attendances don't usually hang around this level without success.  If they do drift away, and we are already at stretching point and Clem cannot fund losses, then it does look like a circle of decline is ahead of us unless something significant changes.

But, even in that scenario, there is hope.

The Ground development does not require a wealthy backer, just a solid business plan and project plan.  Source external funding, and start bringing in new Revenue (sounds simple, I know it is not).

The Youth Academy approach - could be combined with a watered down version of what we seemed to be trying last season.  Again, invest in facilities and people to get it right behind the scenes first, then let loose on bringing in the best young talent we can afford.  It will need investors - maybe with a promise of returns based on transfer fees?  it may need creativity in finding Government grants and so on, but it can be done.  You are looking at 6 months or so to flesh this out, maybe a couple of years to have it fully in place.  Power actually showed a way you can fund the facilities side - use the Academy/Club as a Trojan horse for another development.  Just need to find a parcel of land in need of a new owner that would get planning permission for both activities.

Basically, even without a rich benefactor, a team working on this full time with the right skills should be able to come up with a Master Plan for how to develop this club over the next 5-10 years, especially given the fact the Ground got sorted for their benefit.  Actually,  the groundwork and foundations laid by Eady and the Trust mean that continued failure is indeed that, a failure.  The hard work has been done to kick start this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:04:44
Either give us the completive budget we were promised or give us some real and logical answers of why we can stretch little beyond a first XI and a couple of back ups.

Is he getting some of his money back on the loans at the moment because he is skint? That would at least make sense and we'd be reducing our real debt.

He either needs to provide answers or given our past, I'll assume he's a cunt and we'll being fleeced, because things don't add up.

Sad to see, having briefly threatened to make some effort to do their job again, that the Trust have gone back to total silence on Clem 'Real Deal' Morfuni.

Assume Zav has taken them all for a slap up meal and reiterated that "the good times for our magical club are coming."

I do think it is worth re-reading the "No Money No Power" campaign details that the then very vocal Trust put forward.

https://truststfc.com/2021/06/23/nomoneynopower-why/

They refer to Clem "as an owner who has committed to transparency and good governance (and who the Trust commits to holding to account for those promises)." Yet here we are...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:10:12
I do have a worry, that I think the Trust should be laser focused on.

Clem appointing his man as the Development lead concerns me - did the Trust, as 50% owners of the Ground, do their due diligence in finding the right person to head up this project, or did they just take Clem's demands onboard?  I understand he is the clubs CEO now, and he has experience within the industry (in a broad sense), but he has never been involved in a football ground redevelopment beyond aircon and plumbing as far as I am aware.

Of course Clem and the club need to be on the Board, making the final decisions in tandem with the Trust, but first glance suggests one of the 50% sides has outsized influence.

Were investors in the Trust side not due some sort of report?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:20:29
I do have a worry, that I think the Trust should be laser focused on.

Clem appointing his man as the Development lead concerns me - did the Trust, as 50% owners of the Ground, do their due diligence in finding the right person to head up this project, or did they just take Clem's demands onboard?  I understand he is the clubs CEO now, and he has experience within the industry (in a broad sense), but he has never been involved in a football ground redevelopment beyond aircon and plumbing as far as I am aware.

Of course Clem and the club need to be on the Board, making the final decisions in tandem with the Trust, but first glance suggests one of the 50% sides has outsized influence.

Were investors in the Trust side not due some sort of report?

It's a good point. The appointment of Clem's Axis alumni is pretty concerning all round. How many other L2 clubs have CEOs with zero relevant experience? Rob Angus at least cared deeply and had a solid track record at a major financial company.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:22:50
The silence from the Trust is deafening right now. I was a long time paying member, stopped when i felt they were too close to the club but got sucked back in to paying when the CG ownership came up  :doh:

(waits for STFC_Manc to come out all guns blazing in support of his boys).



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:29:09
The silence from the Trust is deafening right now. I was a long time paying member, stopped when i felt they were too close to the club but got sucked back in to paying when the CG ownership came up  :doh:

(waits for STFC_Manc to come out all guns blazing in support of his boys).



I'd respect the organisation if it owned its part in this omnishambles.

I fully appreciate not everyone shares my view but I'd be interested to know what motivates the 1498 members still paying in to the Trust.

Are they still pushing voting shares...? When did we last hear about the Community Fund?

I honestly don't know what they do now, other than act as Clem's stenographers at the Monthly Nonsense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:32:15
I'm still paying into the Trust. I'm not absolutely delighted with everything that's happened and happening, but I think there's far more chance of the Trust improving their performance than there is of any other fan organisation replacing them, considering them being the legal body that is part of the County Ground joint venture.

I'm also very aware that they're all volunteers, so perhaps a bit more forgiving on timescales of them doing stuff than others.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:40:18
I'm still paying into the Trust. I'm not absolutely delighted with everything that's happened and happening, but I think there's far more chance of the Trust improving their performance than there is of any other fan organisation replacing them, considering them being the legal body that is part of the County Ground joint venture.

I'm also very aware that they're all volunteers, so perhaps a bit more forgiving on timescales of them doing stuff than others.

Agree, no one is going to achieve critical mass with a new body and we are stuck with them because, as you say, they part own the Ground.

I actually think that, on that basis, we should all be far more invested in the Trust. Every fan should be a member.

But their membership model is woefully unclear and I think the board needs 'refreshing' to say the least.

Cue someone saying wHy DOnT YoU STanD iF yoU cARe sO mUCH...



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:43:13
So in conclusion...

We have an owner that a fair few of the fans don't trust who doesn't have a pot to piss in;

We have a Supporters Trust that a fair few of the fans don't trust and are in fact becoming openly hostile to;

Yes there possibly is hope as identified above, but that needs the club and fan base to be united n(or at lest to pretend to be together with the same objectives), as and when crowds drop (and the online sniping continues) revenues will drop and the ability to borrow will drop similarly (leaving us ever more dependent upon the 'crook' who owns us to fund us), plus no (sensible/straight/legit) investor in their right mind is going to get drawn into such a toxic situation (especially where 50% of the asset is owned by a community organisation with all the potential ball ache that entails), similarly the Academy stuff all sounds nice, and I know a place where it could get planning permission but sadly that's owned by one L Power (possibly his way back in, otherwise you are getting into site finding and planning which is extremely difficult as we have found on multiple occasions over the years.

Would anyone have the 5-10 years leeway to do the above, if Clem et al and the Trust stay on board and we start depending on youth players with an eye to developing them for sale (cos' that approach has gone down really well with our fan base in the past hasn't it), cue pages of accusations about money being taken out when they are sold) I give it an hour before moaning about lack of ambition starts, fuck me we are presently 3 points off the play off's and reading SM you would think we were battling relegation.

We're pretty fucked aren't we, TBH its more depressing on here these days than when we were going out of business every Friday afternoon.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:50:13
Quote from: Mooneyraker
It's a good point. The appointment of Clem's Axis alumni is pretty concerning all round. How many other L2 clubs have CEOs with zero relevant experience? Rob Angus at least cared deeply and had a solid track record at a major financial company.

it's either great, because he's got people in he trusts to do the best possible job

or it is concerning because the independence of Rob A and the finance guy have gone. The trust should be monitoring as Rob says, and probably are. But you can always pull the wool to the outside world.

it comes down to trust, and the publicly available info that helps drive that perception 

I think you know personally my trust in the setup has gone right now. But that's me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:55:10
on paying into the Trust, I'm still doing so for two reasons

1. I don't think they are doing anything conspirital. I'm hoping what they say in public and what they think in private are different. Not saying Clem is 'the enemy', but keeping him close may be best for them

2 I'm too lazy to cancel

2b. a The trust isn't a closed shop. Anyone can put themselves up for election. Maybe change will evolve them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:00:49
@Horlock

I think the fans would give some space if a properly detailed "Master Plan" was shared, not just some vague ambitions, but a detailed plan about what we intend to achieve and what we need to do get there and some flesh on the bones about how, including the financial aspects.

I'm not going to come up with that plan in 5 minutes, but I am sure there are plenty of areas of Swindon and it's surrounds that could be utilised for development - I mean, go speak to the Council about assuming the lease on the Oasis land for example (one of many, just throwing stuff out there).

Youth Academy and Recruitment & Sales - package it with the training ground we need, a combined facility and approach to how we make the club a success on the pitch and fund it going forwards.  Identify the investment needed and ongoing costs to support.  Identify options for financing  - you know what, Fitton is well regarded and he openly took money from the Austin sale.  Fans will tolerate a good plan that see people get a return.  Lets say, again this is just spit balling, we finance it by essentially selling bonds - investors/companies/people invest in the deal to set-up the facilities and systems needed, they then get a % return on profit for any player sold who was brought in through that investment.  Fuck, even the fans could chuck their cash at that, like betting but on something you actually care about.  Creativity is key - but having a plan in the first place with clear targets is needed.  Right now we have a winding timeline on a PPT talking about working towards T2 Academy status and some scaffolding.

I know this sort of stuff takes time and money, but you do not get the latter without working on the plan, and we've had over two years to flesh something out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:02:43

or it is concerning because the independence of Rob A and the finance guy have gone.

What do you mean, as often stated on here and Twitter Rob A was deeply involved in the management of the club and by not coming out and publicly slating his employers on social media was part of the problem.  ;) I see he has got another job as well, so good luck to him!

on paying into the Trust, I'm still doing so for two reasons

1. I don't think they are doing anything conspirital. I'm hoping what they say in public and what they think in private are different. Not saying Clem is 'the enemy', but keeping him close may be best for them

2 I'm too lazy to cancel

2b. a The trust isn't a closed shop. Anyone can put themselves up for election. Maybe change will evolve them.

Pretty much this, not sure what people actually want them to do, release a statement every other day making accusations and demands, no doubt there is a hell of a lot going on in the background that we never hear about?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:06:27
I just had a quick look, and as far I can tell, that last News on the Trust STFC site about the CG was April.  Now, I'm not privy to the stuff going on locally and may have missed other publications, but that seems a bit poor.

I do think the Trust remains the right vehicle though.  I respect the fact they are volunteers - I did suggest a while back that they should have hired someone, a consultant or even full time person, to lead the project on their behalf.  They are a not for profit, doesn't mean everything has to be volunteer led.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:25:33
@Horlock

I think the fans would give some space if a properly detailed "Master Plan" was shared, not just some vague ambitions, but a detailed plan about what we intend to achieve and what we need to do get there and some flesh on the bones about how, including the financial aspects.

I'm not going to come up with that plan in 5 minutes, but I am sure there are plenty of areas of Swindon and it's surrounds that could be utilised for development - I mean, go speak to the Council about assuming the lease on the Oasis land for example (one of many, just throwing stuff out there).

Youth Academy and Recruitment & Sales - package it with the training ground we need, a combined facility and approach to how we make the club a success on the pitch and fund it going forwards.  Identify the investment needed and ongoing costs to support.  Identify options for financing  - you know what, Fitton is well regarded and he openly took money from the Austin sale.  Fans will tolerate a good plan that see people get a return.  Lets say, again this is just spit balling, we finance it by essentially selling bonds - investors/companies/people invest in the deal to set-up the facilities and systems needed, they then get a % return on profit for any player sold who was brought in through that investment.  Fuck, even the fans could chuck their cash at that, like betting but on something you actually care about.  Creativity is key - but having a plan in the first place with clear targets is needed.  Right now we have a winding timeline on a PPT talking about working towards T2 Academy status and some scaffolding.

I know this sort of stuff takes time and money, but you do not get the latter without working on the plan, and we've had over two years to flesh something out.

Agree with all of this and I honestly hope you are right, possibly my cynicism stems from writing many such plans and then finding them damn near impossible to actually deliver.

I am possibly just suffering from misery fatigue with the consent stream of (basically the same) stuff being said over and over and over again!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:28:19
What do you mean, as often stated on here and Twitter Rob A was deeply involved in the management of the club and by not coming out and publicly slating his employers on social media was part of the problem.  ;)

Nah, he was a chess prawn [sic].
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it's not lack of plans that worry me the most. Its the characters around the club. If this were just Clem I'd be worried, but less so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:28:33
I'm paying in to the trust and generally always will because they're the mitigation for should things go tits up. So to keep them going strong is important in my opinion.

Regarding their performance, not great but as per Nemo, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt because of the voluntary nature of their roles. I'd like a professional supporters trust but that's nonsense, subs would be huge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 13:33:29
on paying into the Trust, I'm still doing so for two reasons

1. I don't think they are doing anything conspirital. I'm hoping what they say in public and what they think in private are different. Not saying Clem is 'the enemy', but keeping him close may be best for them

2 I'm too lazy to cancel

2b. a The trust isn't a closed shop. Anyone can put themselves up for election. Maybe change will evolve them.

This pretty much sums up why I contribute also.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 15:24:25
Pretty much this, not sure what people actually want them to do, release a statement every other day making accusations and demands, no doubt there is a hell of a lot going on in the background that we never hear about?

Well they are supposed to be looking at the books. Need an update on that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:05:12
I just had a quick look, and as far I can tell, that last News on the Trust STFC site about the CG was April.  Now, I'm not privy to the stuff going on locally and may have missed other publications, but that seems a bit poor.

I do think the Trust remains the right vehicle though.  I respect the fact they are volunteers - I did suggest a while back that they should have hired someone, a consultant or even full time person, to lead the project on their behalf.  They are a not for profit, doesn't mean everything has to be volunteer led.

This is what I mean. What are they doing? It's fine saying they are volunteers but if 1500 people are paying even only an average of a couple of quid a month, its enough that the answer should be "something."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:06:49
This is what I mean. What are they doing? It's fine saying they are volunteers but if 1500 people are paying even only an average of a couple of quid a month, its enough that the answer should be "something."

You could volunteer to help them, given your intense interest in all of this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:22:55
You could volunteer to help them, given your intense interest in all of this.

Right on cue as expected.





 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:33:26
You could volunteer to help them, given your intense interest in all of this.
I've previously volunteered to help on an inflight project the trust have on with the AB questions but haven't heard back. bloody lazy volunteers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:51:32
Right on cue as expected.

So you are all talk, what a surprise!




 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:52:20
I've previously volunteered to help on an inflight project the trust have on with the AB questions but haven't heard back. bloody lazy volunteers

Well done for trying


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:56:03
Fwiw, the Trust AGM is in March each year, and the nominations for new board members usually open in early January, so it's probably a good time to start considering if it's something you might be interested in. I know assorted TEF members are Trust board members past or present (even after the recent account deletion) who can no doubt advise interested parties. I think it's pretty clear that the Trust could probably do with more shoulders to the wheel at least, although I'm not really clear whether there are roles to help them with stuff that don't require you to stand for election (bennett has perhaps proved that they're not particularly set up for that!)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 16:58:49
So you are all talk, what a surprise!




 


It's a forum. It's about talk.

I take my hat off to anyone that volunteers their time for the club and I have never doubted that people's intentions are sound. As I say, I'd like the Trust to be thriving. I think it is a bit confusing at the moment in terms of 'membership' vs 'shares', which strikes me as a barrier to entry, and I think they have made a well meaning but major strategic error in hitching their wagon to Clem in the way that they did, that they are now compounding with sheepish silence. Not sure those are outrageous views.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:05:04
It's a forum. It's about talk.

I take my hat off to anyone that volunteers their time for the club and I have never doubted that people's intentions are sound. As I say, I'd like the Trust to be thriving. I think it is a bit confusing at the moment in terms of 'membership' vs 'shares', which strikes me as a barrier to entry, and I think they have made a well meaning but major strategic error in hitching their wagon to Clem in the way that they did, that they are now compounding with sheepish silence. Not sure those are outrageous views.


I'm just offering you a way to help correct all the issues that you see, I'm sure they would be more than happy for fresh ideas.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:17:07
The biggest issue the Trust is always likely to face is getting the right calibre of people to volunteer.  The best of us are likely swamped with their day jobs, which is why they are successful.

I'd offer, but am a little far away these days.  I did get involved previously, so I can at least remain sanctimonious!

I'll repeat - they really could do with some paid help, not just volunteers.  Nothing in their set-up precludes paying for skills and resources.  I'd be seeking out someone with experience in Stadium development and/or management.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:17:42
I've previously volunteered to help on an inflight project the trust have on with the AB questions but haven't heard back. bloody lazy volunteers

Last I heard they were pissing all the subs up the wall on nights out with Clem!  :D ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:25:44
The biggest issue the Trust is always likely to face is getting the right calibre of people to volunteer.  The best of us are likely swamped with their day jobs, which is why they are successful.

The amount of time we spend debating rubbish on here suggests otherwise....  ;)

I'll repeat - they really could do with some paid help, not just volunteers.  Nothing in their set-up precludes paying for skills and resources.  I'd be seeking out someone with experience in Stadium development and/or management.

It doesn't necessarily have to be paid, albeit paying someone makes it easier to hit them if they aren't doing what you pay them for, just getting lucky with volunteers with the right skills, for instance somewhere they fall over at the moment is communication/PR, now I suspect many think such a thing is easy, but it really bloody isn't and is also incredibly time consuming to do right, and very obvious when not done right or neglected, the ideal would be getting someone who works in PR as a volunteer to do it but are they available for instance.

I can't be sanctimonious about the Trust, but I have done my fair share of volunteering for a couple of organisations, including a spell as a treasurer and it took over my sodding life, thankfully I could fit it round work so could do much of it during breaks in the working day, if I hadn't been able to do so it would have taken up probably 5 hrs a week of my evenings - so its not as easy as many suggest.

Plus I have acted as a funder to several volunteer groups and they are often terribly toxic and territorial which doesn't help (no suggestion that the Trust is like that, but it puts me right off!)   


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:29:57
I just read the Accounts produced by the Trust, and while it includes a lot of good stuff, it begs the question (at least for me) why are THEY the ones doing half of this?

Museum, Sensory Packs for people with Autism, Don Rogers Statue etc.  As I say, all very worthy things to be involved in, but is it really something the Trust should be driving?  In some cases, it clearly should be the club, in others it sort of falls into the Supporter Club world, in my mind.  Now, the Supporters Club may well say they can't fund it - well, then we put it on the shelf and come back to it.  The Trust has two essential jobs to do, in my opinion - represent the fans views to the club in terms of strategy and operations, holding the club to account while trying to seek greater access (up to an including shares and a seat on the Board, if not ownership).  Second, to be a 50/50 partner in operating and developing the stadium.

Those two jobs are monumental.  How can they expect to do anything else, and why should we expect them to?  

I think I said as much 6 years ago when they pushed for CG purchase in public - it will consume them, and they needed to prepare to be laser focused on just that.

Too many plates Trust, too many plates.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:34:43
half joking, half serious.  If the Trust need any support come January, I may have a LOT of time on my hands.  Clearly my usefulness is limited by location and timezone - I'm not going to be able to pop to the shops - and despite much bleating, I have zero experience in the football world!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:45:35
So you are all talk, what a surprise!




 


What are the rules here, not allowed to criticise unless you're prepared to run to be on the board?

Pretty shite that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:49:34
What are the rules here, not allowed to criticise unless you're prepared to run to be on the board?

Pretty shite that.

100%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 18:01:31
Got a view on Rishi Sunak? Not welcome unless you are prepared to run for Prime Minister.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 18:03:08
Got a view on Rishi Sunak? Not welcome unless you are prepared to run for Prime Minister.

Yep that's what the forum is for


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 18:25:46
3 ticket bundle available for Stockpot, Man's Field and Wheel Barrow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 18:36:11
3 ticket bundle available for Stockpot, Man's Field and Wheel Barrow.
.  Side Stands

 

Price Class

Bundle Price

Adult

£67.00

Over 65

£55.00

Student

£55.00

Under 21

£37.00

Under 18

£28.00

    
Town End

 

Adult

£58.00

Over 65

£50.00

Student

£50.00

Under 21

£33.00

Under 18

£23.00


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 20:33:45
When did Michael Doughty last clock in for a day's work?

This passage is still appearing in the Monthly Nonsense:

With Michael Doughty now announced as Chief Sustainability Officer, the Club is working with the OSC and
Trust to drive improvements to its environmental footprint and be a leading light in sustainability.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 20:40:00
When did Michael Doughty last clock in for a day's work?

This passage is still appearing in the Monthly Nonsense:

With Michael Doughty now announced as Chief Sustainability Officer, the Club is working with the OSC and
Trust to drive improvements to its environmental footprint and be a leading light in sustainability.

What’s your problem? We’re not flying to any games O.K? What more do you want? FFS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 20:46:13
What’s your problem? We’re not flying to any games O.K? What more do you want? FFS.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

All aboard the ZaviAir flight to Mansfield! 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 20:52:37
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

All aboard the ZaviAir flight to Mansfield! 

Look mate, the players have all been issued with second hand Nike Air trainers. Happy now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 01:54:29
When did Michael Doughty last clock in for a day's work?

This passage is still appearing in the Monthly Nonsense:

With Michael Doughty now announced as Chief Sustainability Officer, the Club is working with the OSC and
Trust to drive improvements to its environmental footprint and be a leading light in sustainability.

Someone now runs around and turns the lights off at the end of the day and they've been using Devine as a draft excluder.  We have also managed to get ourselves knocked out of the mid week cup competitions to avoid needing the floodlights too often.  See also the response about not having potable water, which ensures we use less of that resource and help reduce the risk of drought conditions in Swindon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 08:25:44
Add to that the lack of infrastructure investment and all that terrible embodied carbon that comes with it. The North Stand probably one of the most carbon efficient football stands around nowadays. Doughty is doing a fantastic job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 14:50:15
November now… looking forward to this concert being announced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 15:24:14
November now… looking forward to this concert being announced.

I think that Elton John at the CG was announced in mid March 2005 for June 19th appearance.
All in good time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 16:10:27
I think that Elton John at the CG was announced in mid March 2005 for June 19th appearance.
All in good time.

The world has changed. Almost every major act will have their plans locked, announced and onsale for the summer by the end of Nov at the very latest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 16:13:05
Probably end up with S club🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 17:21:24
The world has changed. Almost every major act will have their plans locked, announced and onsale for the summer by the end of Nov at the very latest.

We'll see. There are plenty of areas where the club is fair game at the moment.
This isn't one of them. Not yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 17:52:32
We'll see. There are plenty of areas where the club is fair game at the moment.
This isn't one of them. Not yet.


Well, I think it is fair to ask what is happening. They've gone off half-cocked and announced a concert before they had any idea of how to make it a reality.

I can't think that any promoter wouldn't want to announce well this side of Christmas when they are looking at selling approx 10,000 tickets in a completely unproven market.

Saxondale made some good points on this.

It is another example of the pie in the sky, amateur approach. Much like saying we will be a 'leading light' in sustainability and have the best Academy outside the Premier League.

This is by no means a slam dunk and if they get it wrong, it'll be the playing budget that suffers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 18:15:05
Well, I think it is fair to ask what is happening. They've gone off half-cocked and announced a concert before they had any idea of how to make it a reality.

I can't think that any promoter wouldn't want to announce well this side of Christmas when they are looking at selling approx 10,000 tickets in a completely unproven market.

Saxondale made some good points on this.

It is another example of the pie in the sky, amateur approach. Much like saying we will be a 'leading light' in sustainability and have the best Academy outside the Premier League.

This is by no means a slam dunk and if they get it wrong, it'll be the playing budget that suffers.

Yeah, a large helping of scepticism is understandable.
We don't know the degree of effort that is going into this behind the scenes.
I would say that James Watts seems to be doing a decent job on the commercial side of things at the moment and he's got a stint as a Promotions Manager on his CV which is encouraging.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 21:36:00
That is encouraging. Hopefully some decent contacts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 23:23:51
Ah come on, we aren't on the hook with a promoter afaik.

If it's aborted because it's not viable, it doesn't matter.
Something to worry about if they fuck it up. Not now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 2, 2023, 02:00:06
Yeah, a large helping of scepticism is understandable.
We don't know the degree of effort that is going into this behind the scenes.
I would say that James Watts seems to be doing a decent job on the commercial side of things at the moment and he's got a stint as a Promotions Manager on his CV which is encouraging.

Well, he ran some nightclub nights and he does profess to be the most successful underground Welsh act of all time !  That was over 12 years ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 2, 2023, 09:19:03
he does profess to be the most successful underground Welsh act of all time !

I never knew he was in Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, you learn something new every day.  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, November 3, 2023, 09:49:31
https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/argyle-launch-new-five-year-plan?fbclid=IwAR2R2NjtdtaaozRjIPe8ytlulI_-UYbZNjt8wMIR4H9QyF0ygCePWiWIUJ4_aem_AYhrM6jFTUJ1PcAM4URjVMc_84EI2sfBUa_fmxLa2feuxf1lIkIPAYJXK3XI2DJXS6c


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 3, 2023, 09:53:10
https://www.pafc.co.uk/news/argyle-launch-new-five-year-plan?fbclid=IwAR2R2NjtdtaaozRjIPe8ytlulI_-UYbZNjt8wMIR4H9QyF0ygCePWiWIUJ4_aem_AYhrM6jFTUJ1PcAM4URjVMc_84EI2sfBUa_fmxLa2feuxf1lIkIPAYJXK3XI2DJXS6c

Sigh...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 3, 2023, 09:56:04
Plymouth are a blueprint club we can aspire to. I'm sure we all remember that Doyle goal down at home park. Look at the fortunes of the 2 clubs now. They appear to be very well run on and off the field.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:00:32
Flynn contract extension until 2026


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:01:29
Flynn contract extension until 2026

Great news. Precious extra compo when he goes in January.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:02:54
Always been the case for us - no success has ever been built upon. All short term, line me pockets while I can, stuff. That’s what I find depressing. 50% of the ground is exactly as it was when I first went in 1968. Shame on them all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:03:11
That's really good news. Fair play to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:04:45
Wonder who came in for him 🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:06:37
Flynn contract extension until 2026

Disregarding Mooneyrakers tongue in cheek comments re. Compensation in January. That is good news and by that I have to assume that Flynn is happy not only with his own personal numeration but, the terms and conditions with which he will have to work with going forward. He has to understand what he is being asked to achieve whilst at the same time knowing what he has at his disposal to achieve it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:16:01
Genuinely really positive news, Flynn perhaps not as grumpy behind the scenes as I'd be in his position. I suppose the difference between him and Morris (well, one of the differences) is that Flynn knows what to expect in the lower leagues and doesn't expect Cobham and staff to cover every possible need. Kudos to the club for sorting this and hopefully players renewing will follow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:26:00
Yes, tongue in cheek comment aside, is this good news? Absolutely, the first bit in a while.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:28:38
Genuinely really positive news, Flynn perhaps not as grumpy behind the scenes as I'd be in his position. I suppose the difference between him and Morris (well, one of the differences) is that Flynn knows what to expect in the lower leagues and doesn't expect Cobham and staff to cover every possible need. Kudos to the club for sorting this and hopefully players renewing will follow.

Was thinking about this the other day, what contracted players would we realistically want to tie down for longer?

FBT, McEachran, Khan, Hutton? That’s it isn’t it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:29:08
Was thinking about this the other day, what contracted players would we realistically want to tie down for longer?

FBT, McEachran, Khan, Hutton? That’s it isn’t it?


Brewitt ooc end of season I think too? Maybe RHM but less than the others


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:31:46
Brewitt ooc end of season I think too? Maybe RHM but less than the others

I'd offer them both something. RHM is an effective L2 wildcard sub.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:34:12
You'd hope Flynn has had some reassurances... not that Clem's are worth much but hey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:34:23
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23899235.michael-flynn-pens-new-swindon-town-contract-2026/

Few words from Flynn and Clem here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:40:49
That is good news for the club and secured Flynn for a while yet, so if he does get poached we will be adequately compensated.

I like Flynn, he comes accross as seeing things a lot as we all see them post games etc, he reminds me of a more likeable version of Wellens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:46:17
How does this news square with the moaning minnies and ITK's who think Flynn has been screwed over by Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:47:09
Wonder who came in for him 🤣

Exactly my first though :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, November 3, 2023, 10:57:09
Flynn contract extension until 2026

Why now ? while I have no issue with this, he has not shown anything over and above what is expected, we are not run away leaders so why is their a reward of new contract ?

The life span of a FL manager is generally around 18 months, with exceptions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:02:31
Why now ? while I have no issue with this, he has not shown anything over and above what is expected, we are not run away leaders so why is their a reward of new contract ?

The life span of a FL manager is generally around 18 months, with exceptions.
Those clubs without significant budgets but have been promoted in recent years have typically had managerial stability, likes of Exeter, Cheltenham and Northampton. Given we arent going to be back in the significant budget category anytime soon, this is a very positive move.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:02:49
That’s what I find depressing. 50% of the ground is exactly as it was when I first went in 1968. Shame on them all.

Thats a bit harsh- seats have been added to the Town End and Stratton bank and the Sir Don Rogers stand was a 90's thing.

 ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:07:27
Always been the case for us - no success has ever been built upon. All short term, line me pockets while I can, stuff. That’s what I find depressing. 50% of the ground is exactly as it was when I first went in 1968. Shame on them all.

Wasn't the North stand built in 1971 & the DRS in 1993


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:09:15
How does this news square with the moaning minnies and ITK's who think Flynn has been screwed over by Clem?

Well there is that isn't there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:12:21
Not on the Flynn topic, but interesting on Wrexham's losses in the last two years topping £10m. Rather puts 'we might lose 500k' into perspective, doesn't it? And I imagine their sponsorship deals and other income make ours look tiny with the whole Netflix thing. Raises a few FFP eyebrows for sure.

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/11/03/wrexham-owners-announce-losses-since-takeover/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:25:13
How does this news square with the moaning minnies and ITK's who think Flynn has been screwed over by Clem?

It just shows he's happy to work under the current conditions and get a big compo payoff if he's removed (or the club gets on when poached)!

In a dream world it would show massive of investment is incoming.

In the real world as of this moment, he's still got an inadequet squad. nothings changed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:27:21
Not on the Flynn topic, but interesting on Wrexham's losses in the last two years topping £10m. Rather puts 'we might lose 500k' into perspective, doesn't it? And I imagine their sponsorship deals and other income make ours look tiny with the whole Netflix thing. Raises a few FFP eyebrows for sure.

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/11/03/wrexham-owners-announce-losses-since-takeover/

Yeah but its a fairytale though innit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:28:45
Not on the Flynn topic, but interesting on Wrexham's losses in the last two years topping £10m. Rather puts 'we might lose 500k' into perspective, doesn't it? And I imagine their sponsorship deals and other income make ours look tiny with the whole Netflix thing. Raises a few FFP eyebrows for sure.

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/11/03/wrexham-owners-announce-losses-since-takeover/
Arent they basically immune from FFP for the 1st season in the league?

Thats what happened with Salford they abused the FFP but after not winning promotion in the 1st season had to regin in spending to adhere closer to the FFP rules. Although as we all know there are ways around these things with extra sponsorship deals like FGR did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:34:58
It just shows he's happy to work under the current conditions and get a big compo payoff if he's removed (or the club gets on when poached)!

In a dream world it would show massive of investment is incoming.

In the real world as of this moment, he's still got an inadequet squad. nothings changed.


This news could also add some fuel to the fire that Clem/Keily/anyone else is considering offers for the club.  The first thing any new owner usually does is appoint their own manager, perhaps this is Clem giving Flynn some protection.

I am not ITK in any way shape or form, just putting it out there..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:37:19
This news could also add some fuel to the fire that Clem/Keily/anyone else is considering offers for the club.  The first thing any new owner usually does is appoint their own manager, perhaps this is Clem giving Flynn some protection.

I am not ITK in any way shape or form, just putting it out there..

your such an ITK moaning minnie Berni!! :)

Good to see you on here btw.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 3, 2023, 11:44:58
Arent they basically immune from FFP for the 1st season in the league?

Thats what happened with Salford they abused the FFP but after not winning promotion in the 1st season had to regin in spending to adhere closer to the FFP rules. Although as we all know there are ways around these things with extra sponsorship deals like FGR did.

Yes, it's one reason a club in the league below is a a better investment opportunity if you are looking to get some success.  You can load up on getting a good team together, build momentum and and keep it going to push for the second promotion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, November 3, 2023, 12:10:17
your such an ITK moaning minnie Berni!! :)

Good to see you on here btw.

I thought the new tagline for this place was 25% Football, 80% Bollocks, 100% miserable cunts so am only posting things that abide by that TEF Mantra..

I don't want to be a happy clapper after all..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 3, 2023, 12:34:03
Arent they basically immune from FFP for the 1st season in the league?

Thats what happened with Salford they abused the FFP but after not winning promotion in the 1st season had to regin in spending to adhere closer to the FFP rules. Although as we all know there are ways around these things with extra sponsorship deals like FGR did.

Its similar to Newcastle I suspect who are absolutely minted but from something I was reading can't really buy anyone in January as they are already maxing out FFP - albeit assume there is nothing to stop one of the multitude of PIF owned clubs in Saudi doing them some favours both in terms of loans/cheap purchases and vastly inflated sales in January.

Yes, it's one reason a club in the league below is a a better investment opportunity if you are looking to get some success.  You can load up on getting a good team together, build momentum and and keep it going to push for the second promotion.

Doesn't seem to have really worked for Wrexham as they are Ok this year but not great and assume will be more hamstrung next year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 3, 2023, 13:58:44
Its similar to Newcastle I suspect who are absolutely minted but from something I was reading can't really buy anyone in January as they are already maxing out FFP - albeit assume there is nothing to stop one of the multitude of PIF owned clubs in Saudi doing them some favours both in terms of loans/cheap purchases and vastly inflated sales in January.

Doesn't seem to have really worked for Wrexham as they are Ok this year but not great and assume will be more hamstrung next year.

OK?  They are third and on a roll.  Mullins is back as well.  They will add to their squad in January I imagine, be tough to keep up with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:01:19
OK?  They are third and on a roll.  Mullins is back as well.  They will add to their squad in January I imagine, be tough to keep up with.

Someone has some pretty high standards. Given third is a promotion spot, and fully aware no trophies are handed out in November in England, I think they are doing pretty well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:02:34
Can't wait to give McLean a warm welcome  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:09:19
Someone has some pretty high standards. Given third is a promotion spot, and fully aware no trophies are handed out in November in England, I think they are doing pretty well.

Also, they are only limited by FFP to what they can spend on their wages vs total turnover/income (which can include every source of money bar loans pretty much).  Given they are selling out their ground, plus they bring in several million in sponsorship, their allowable wage budget is well beyond anything else in this Division.  They may not have much wriggle room from what they were spending last season, but they don't really need it.  They are second in the form table, unbeaten in their last 6 at least, only to Stockport, who are close to them on spend thanks to their owner converting loans to equity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:12:51
To put it in context, if Clem happened to be minted and decided to convert his loans to equity (worth doing given he just sold off some shares, if he had the money), and he could chuck some money in to pay the new bills, he could double our wage bill this season if he wanted to (and likely stay within FFP rules).  He isn't and he won't but that is the opportunity someone would be looking at when deciding to buy a club, can you inject something and get fast returns?

After the top two spenders, there is maybe a group of 5 or 7 or so that could be within a whisker of each other in terms of maximum wage budgets.  Our job is to compete in that group for the 3rd spot, or at least be in the play offs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:20:07
Always been the case for us - no success has ever been built upon. All short term, line me pockets while I can, stuff. That’s what I find depressing. 50% of the ground is exactly as it was when I first went in 1968. Shame on them all.

Pretty sure the first season I went was the south stands first season.....so its barely changed at all since then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:38:42
I can't imagine we're anywhere near wage caps and FFP limits, but doubling it might be a stretch.

However if we did double it and found success, gates would go up even further.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:55:50
OK?  They are third and on a roll.  Mullins is back as well.  They will add to their squad in January I imagine, be tough to keep up with.

Shows how recently I took any interest, last time I took an ounce of interest in what Wrexham were doing they were shipping goals worse than us and Parkinson was apparently out of his depth.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:58:02
A few more weeks and we’re be reading that they’ve been allocated 2200+ tickets for the Boxing Day game :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:58:40
Probably end up with S club🤣

That’s not a bad idea actually. My wife and daughter went last weekend to see them at the O2. They’re packing the place afternoons and evenings

It would sell out, believe me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 3, 2023, 14:59:49
That’s not a bad idea actually. My wife and daughter went last weekend to see them at the O2. They’re packing the place afternoons and evenings

It would sell out, believe me.

I said it tongue in cheek but was aware they have made a decent comeback so it is possible.

Whatever happened to X Factor as the winner used to do rounds along with your 80’s icons.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 3, 2023, 15:09:22
Wasn't the North stand built in 1971 & the DRS in 1993
Well, yes but I did say 50% of the ground hadn’t changed - the TE and the Bank- bar the plastic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, November 3, 2023, 15:14:03
Apparently, the Xmas lunch for local OAP’s which has become an Ann event going back years, has been cancelled because the club can’t afford the money to host it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 3, 2023, 15:17:06
Apparently, the Xmas lunch for local OAP’s which has become an Ann event going back years, has been cancelled because the club can’t afford the money to host it.

You mean this one?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/our-senior-citizens-christmas-lunch-returns-for-2023/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 3, 2023, 15:37:49
Cancelled, taking pace, it's a thin line.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 3, 2023, 15:56:47
You mean this one?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/our-senior-citizens-christmas-lunch-returns-for-2023/

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 3, 2023, 16:20:33
You mean this one?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/our-senior-citizens-christmas-lunch-returns-for-2023/

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, November 3, 2023, 16:21:53
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Yeah but they can't afford Santa this year - it'll just be someone dressed up as Santa.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 3, 2023, 16:23:32
You mean this one?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/our-senior-citizens-christmas-lunch-returns-for-2023/

Yeah, but somebody posted on Twitter that it was going to be cancelled so it must be true ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 3, 2023, 17:36:53
Maybe we are reading too much into Bathford's post - he does clearly state that the Ann event is being cancelled.  Maybe it used to be a themed Ann Summers Party, and they can't afford the dildo's this year, so it's just going to be a game of dominos.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 3, 2023, 17:53:36
Maybe we are reading too much into Bathford's post - he does clearly state that the Ann event is being cancelled.  Maybe it used to be a themed Ann Summers Party, and they can't afford the dildo's this year, so it's just going to be a game of dominos.

Or following on from the 'success' of Katie Hopkins at Meca, we were going to be hosting an evening with Ann Widdicombe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Friday, November 3, 2023, 19:52:41
Let’s clarify things. The Xmas OAP lunch would cost £3,000. The club said no way. They can’t afford it. Therefore to avoid cancelling, the OST and the Business Group are / have going to stump up the money.  

If no one came forward, the club were happy to cut the OAP’s adrift for the sake of £3K.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, November 3, 2023, 20:18:13
Let’s clarify things. The Xmas OAP lunch would cost £3,000. The club said no way. They can’t afford it. Therefore to avoid cancelling, the OST and the Business Group are / have going to stump up the money.  

If no one came forward, the club were happy to cut the OAP’s adrift for the sake of £3K.

Literally not what you said less than a few hours ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, November 3, 2023, 20:47:19
Let’s clarify things. The Xmas OAP lunch would cost £3,000. The club said no way. They can’t afford it. Therefore to avoid cancelling, the OST and the Business Group are / have going to stump up the money. 

If no one came forward, the club were happy to cut the OAP’s adrift for the sake of £3K.

I thought it was odd both the Trust and OSC put out tweets saying they were glad to support it (ie pay for it)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 3, 2023, 21:09:14
At least somebody has stepped in to cover it. Probably a lot of friendships there going back.

£3K sounds high mind, how many people go to them?

The club, money... I think we know where we are


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 15:24:05
I saw a good theory on Twitter from someone re Flynn's new deal:

"Had a thought earlier that maybe it coincided with the fact Clem has finally finished paying off Morris and Brand and can now give Flynn a decent contract? Potentially something preconceived?"

That seems eminently plausible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 16:06:46
Weren't we promised a fans' forum...? Didn't Clem say he was coming over...? Can't remember when.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 16:18:00
STFC_manc be out in full defence of precious clem soon hahahaha

What a club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 16:19:57
We are being run into the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 16:29:59
I won’t be putting another penny into the club until this clown of an owner is gone.

No ST renewal next year either 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 16:31:04
I saw a good theory on Twitter from someone re Flynn's new deal:

"Had a thought earlier that maybe it coincided with the fact Clem has finally finished paying off Morris and Brand and can now give Flynn a decent contract? Potentially something preconceived?"

That seems eminently plausible.

Except Flynns record does not warrant it for a start a 30% win rate is shite


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 16:56:43
Something is not right at this club. Being run down the shitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:01:36
I won’t be putting another penny into the club until this clown of an owner is gone.

No ST renewal next year either 

I'm moving towards this


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:05:10
Rumours doing the rounds that the players were not paid October’s wages. I have also heard that we’re trying to change   players contracts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:06:44
New owners please.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:09:57
Rumours doing the rounds that the players were not paid October’s wages. I have also heard that we’re trying to change   players contracts

Heard this too from very reliable source...they've also been told its likely to continue for the foreseeable future



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:10:55
Heard this too from very reliable source...they've also been told its likely to continue for the foreseeable future



I have as well. Worrying times


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:13:18
Heard this too from very reliable source...they've also been told its likely to continue for the foreseeable future



The non payment?
 Breach of contract, players can just give notice and rip up their contracts if so


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:13:55
Would Flynn have signed a new deal if things were that desperate (re. unpaid wages etc)

Worrying times indeed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:15:01
Funny how nobody said this before the game. Talk about jumping on the loss bandwagon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:15:35
Funny how nobody said this before the game. Talk about jumping on the loss bandwagon.

Well said :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:19:24
Funny how nobody said this before the game. Talk about jumping on the loss bandwagon.

People probably knew beforehand but didn't say anything because performances haven't been that bad

But the level of sheer incompetence in the  performance raises concerns that the players didn't perform because of it...ie lost deliberatley


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:23:45
People probably knew beforehand but didn't say anything because performances haven't been that bad

But the level of sheer incompetence in the  performance raises concerns that the players didn't perform because of it...ie lost deliberatley

Yh I imagine it doesn't matter that players arent being paid as long as we get results 🤯


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:29:34
I'm heeding the words of Seth Macfarlane.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:32:46
So the players (allegedly) join local businesses (allegedly) and our kit suppliers (allegedly) in being unpaid for services rendered?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:37:13
Am I right in seeing that the shirts were 50% off today? That does scream of a club trying to make a quick buck


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:38:11
Am I right in seeing that the shirts were 50% off today? That does scream of a club trying to make a quick buck

Any news on the third shirt coming out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:39:30
Any news on the third shirt coming out?

Saving it for the 3rd round of the FA Cup, so we should see it about 2028


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:41:09
CFO/CEO leave and Clem brings replacements internally from his own businesses

His businesses are on their knees, he wants his money back/ does not have a pot to piss in hence where we are

How we cannot pay our players with 2 8k plus gates in the month is ridiculous. If true a points deduction probably incoming as well

I would prefer the club fan owned to be honest at least we could sustain L1 football without any cowboy owners


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:43:30
CFO/CEO leave and Clem brings replacements internally from his own businesses

His businesses are on their knees, he wants his money back/ does not have a pot to piss in hence where we are

How we cannot pay our players with 2 8k plus gates in the month is ridiculous. If true a points deduction probably incoming as well

I would prefer the club fan owned to be honest at least we could sustain L1 football without any cowboy owners

Fan owned? That would mean the masterminds at the Trust who have lashed us to Morfuni's mast. No thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:45:09
I think I'd rather be owned by Oxford fans than our own supporters Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:50:43
Didn't we get a suspended points deduction for non payment of wages back when power wanted to kill us? How long do those last?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:56:06
I think I'd rather be owned by Oxford fans than our own supporters Trust.

Wouldn’t want the trust involved they’ve nailed themselves to Morfuni’s mast no credibility I am afraid now at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:58:40
The Trust have been fairly quiet recently. Realising that home truths might be hard to accept?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:58:46
Rumours doing the rounds that the players were not paid October’s wages. I have also heard that we’re trying to change   players contracts

Wouldn't this be in the public domain if it happened?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 17:59:19
Wouldn't this be in the public domain if it happened?

I'd have imagined Charlie might have had something to say about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CotswoldsCJ on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:03:56
It’s time #nomoneynomorfuni


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:05:11
I'd have imagined Charlie might have had something to say about it.

You'd think so. I would have thought that the Football League would find out about this pretty quickly. Perhaps they have already?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:07:08
Funny how nobody said this before the game. Talk about jumping on the loss bandwagon.

Known for a few weeks tbh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:09:20
Known for a few weeks tbh.

Why hasn't it been publicly revealed yet? If players haven't been paid this usually enters the public domain pretty quickly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:09:30
I'd have imagined Charlie might have had something to say about it.

Who hasn’t said he hasn’t 👀


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:10:04
I think the 80% bollocks covers this


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:10:06
Why hasn't it been publicly revealed yet? If players haven't been paid this usually enters the public domain pretty quickly.

Few days ago…it’ll all come out in the wash


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:10:27
I think the 80% bollocks covers this

Nope


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:11:40
Who hasn’t said he hasn’t 👀

I meant on social media really. He's the sort of guy that I imagine wouldn't be shy in doing it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:14:07
I think the 80% bollocks covers this

Would make sense of the shirt fire sale tbh


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:15:33
I meant on social media really. He's the sort of guy that I imagine wouldn't be shy in doing it.

Not saying it's true, in the past it hasn't been, but maybe such matters will go through the fa and PFA ? Maybe they have advised to keep quiet


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:18:41
Not saying it's true, in the past it hasn't been, but maybe such matters will go through the fa and PFA ? Maybe they have advised to keep quiet

Yeah I guess. A case of watch this space I suppose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:21:00
Known for a few weeks tbh.

Why didn’t you say then? If you’re going to brag about being ITK at least let fans know what’s going on


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:21:24
Few days ago…it’ll all come out in the wash

Thanks. Being a Swindon fan isn't much fun.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:21:41
If the rumours are true about players and suppliers not being paid, what about HMRC? Thats instant embargo anyway isnt it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TSTFC21 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:22:37
Been told that the players have been paid and there is no truth to this rumour


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:23:51
Been told that the players have been paid and there is no truth to this rumour

Hi Clem 👋


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:23:58
Been told that the players have been paid and there is no truth to this rumour

Are you connected to the club in any way as notice you are a new poster🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:24:14
Hi Clem 👋

 ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:24:56
Why didn’t you say then? If you’re going to brag about being ITK at least let fans know what’s going on

I don’t feel the need to spelt shit until it’s necessary. This isn’t. And I’m not bragging. I love the club so wanted to see how it played out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:26:06
I don’t feel the need to spelt shit until it’s necessary. This isn’t.

I’d argue the players not being paid is necessary to report at any time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:27:32
I’d argue the players not being paid is necessary to report at any time.

Why. FBT was quite vocal after the game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: aroundthefur on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:28:41
What has FBT said?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:29:22
Why. FBT was quite vocal after the game.

Think you misread - if you know players aren’t being paid, I’d say it’s good to share that with the fans at any time and not just after a humiliating loss. My opinion is if true you should have said a few days ago


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:30:18
Think you misread - if you know players aren’t being paid, I’d say it’s good to share that with the fans at any time and not just after a humiliating loss. My opinion is if true you should have said a few days ago

I disagree but happy to take that. Enjoy your evening.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:33:02
Are you connected to the club in any way as notice you are a new poster🤔

Nice work clouseau.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:34:10
Glad I reclaimed my ticket money back from Colchester


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:34:37
Nice work clouseau.

Part of the service :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:34:47
I disagree but happy to take that. Enjoy your evening.

Fair enough. You too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:36:23
Glad I reclaimed my ticket money back from Colchester

Did you see any trouble pre match as Facebook lot saying a fan was left unconscious outside the ground around 2.30


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TSTFC21 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:42:43
Are you connected to the club in any way as notice you are a new poster🤔

😂 no just always read in the background. But been told no truth to this by someone at club. May be wrong but no reason to see why they wouldn’t be honest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TSTFC21 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:45:48
Hi Clem 👋

I’m firmly Clem out far to many “mistakes… but I’m only human”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:48:37
😂 no just always read in the background. But been told no truth to this by someone at club. May be wrong but no reason to see why they wouldn’t be honest
So are you calling Blake Tracey a liar then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:48:41
😂 no just always read in the background. But been told no truth to this by someone at club. May be wrong but no reason to see why they wouldn’t be honest

Cheers appreciate your input.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:50:26
😂 no just always read in the background. But been told no truth to this by someone at club. May be wrong but no reason to see why they wouldn’t be honest

Is this satire?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TSTFC21 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:52:13
So are you calling Blake Tracey a liar then?

Wasn’t aware of this. I’ve just been told by someone I know. But they may not have said the truth. It’s all rumours at the moment, but as always far to frequent under Morfuni


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:58:00
What’s FBT said?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 18:58:13
😂 no just always read in the background. But been told no truth to this by someone at club. May be wrong but no reason to see why they wouldn’t be honest

Morfuni wouldn't know how to tell the truth if it slapped him in the face...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:03:53
Don’t worry, extensive due diligence was done on Clem, Zav and Axis.

And these people now own the ground.

SBC were a better custodian than either party who has the keys now I’m sad to say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:17:38
It's ok guys, Clem put the Christmas club money on Aldershot to win today so I reckon the players pay might be alright.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:19:04
He wouldn’t have been the first to do that in a FA Cup game :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:31:55
https://thelooksports.com/exclusive-update-on-swindon-town-wages-ownership/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:31:59
https://thelooksports.com/exclusive-update-on-swindon-town-wages-ownership/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:35:08
Get out of our club.

Accounting error my arse.

Fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:36:56
Strange that some were and some were not.

Suppose it’s good news that the club is up for sale - notwithstanding the likely line of dodgy sharks waiting in the wings.

What happened to the Trust’s insistence that Clem was in it for the long haul.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:40:50
Makes the Flynn contract extension look odd. Extension in exchange for a reduction in pay perhaps.

They’ve got to go. The club can’t sustain another season of these wannabes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:43:17
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/who-is-luke-dowling-everything-we-know-about-ex-nottingham-forest-watford-west-brom-and-portsmouth-man-reportedly-joining-sheffield-wednesday-4228383

Luke Dowling mentioned in the Whelan article


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:48:00
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/who-is-luke-dowling-everything-we-know-about-ex-nottingham-forest-watford-west-brom-and-portsmouth-man-reportedly-joining-sheffield-wednesday-4228383

Luke Dowling mentioned in the article

?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:54:11
Just have to hope they sell competently to competent people rather than a fire sale to a chancer


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:54:22
https://thelooksports.com/exclusive-update-on-swindon-town-wages-ownership/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:54:29
Makes the Flynn contract extension look odd. Extension in exchange for a reduction in pay perhaps.

They’ve got to go. The club can’t sustain another season of these wannabes.


Maybe shows some loyalty to Flynn with the potential for a good pay day.  New owners might want a new management team.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:54:47
*sigh*


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:56:59
?
Mentioned as involved in the deal to sell for Clem. Sporting Director at  few championship clubs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 19:58:39
Clems the real deal.

Budget issues are your imagination.

Nothing to see here.

(https://media.tenor.com/FlMDt6_yHI0AAAAd/clap-dumb.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:00:52
Mentioned as involved in the deal to sell for Clem. Sporting Director at  few championship clubs.

I cant read the article as its full of adverts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:02:38
STFC have enough sequels for Netflix to broadcast and make the club lots of money😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:03:02
Honestly our fans are so fucking thick we deserve what we get.

In the diamandis days we had some.fight. now there's so many subpar intelligent toal lovely bloke fuckheads ready to boot lick whatever regime is in charge it makes it impossible to demand what we deserve.

I fucking hate you cunts. If you cunts had a spine under Lee Power it wouldn't have been as bad as it was, but you don't
 It's rinse and repeat


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:05:00
Guess that explains the very last minute sale on home shirts to grab some cash


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:05:38
Fair enough. You too.

Like i said, it’s all coming to roost


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:06:06
Like i said, it’s all coming to roost

There’s always a reason never a good will gesture!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:06:35
Where is Bathford? Wasn’t he planning to buy the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:06:46
 :crash:

Bottle of rum opened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:08:12
Honestly our fans are so fucking thick we deserve what we get.

In the diamandis days we had some.fight. now there's so many subpar intelligent toal lovely bloke fuckheads ready to boot lick whatever regime is in charge it makes it impossible to demand what we deserve.

I fucking hate you cunts. If you cunts had a spine under Lee Power it wouldn't have been as bad as it was, but you don't
 It's rinse and repeat

100%. Some of the fucking cucks on here spent any spare time they had defending anything sweet clemmy did. Wronguns.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:09:13
I fuckhbg hate our window licking boot licking fans more than I hate Oxford.

Genuinely.

We don't deserve nice things with you fucking idiots being apologists for clearly bad owners.


Fuck off.

Fed up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:10:24
100%. Some of the fucking cucks on here spent any spare time they had defending anything sweet clemmy did. Wronguns.




Ohhh clem but what if, let's give a counter opinion.

Or you could not contribute to our managed decline you absolute cucks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:10:48
100%. Some of the fucking cucks on here spent any spare time they had defending anything sweet clemmy did. Wronguns.


That’s not fair. No matter what fans think of moan and groan about there’s fuck all we can do about it.

Point your finger but not in our direction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Processed Beats on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:11:43
Club is rotten to the core. Fuck off Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:11:52
At least we have a club  :icecream:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:12:04
Something to check for the sake of my own sanity….how seriously are supposed to be taking Ryan Whelan, as a journalist? Wasn’t he a certified joke at one point? I’ve genuinely lost track. Why is it always his name on STFC “scoops”?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:12:16

Ohhh clem but what if, let's give a counter opinion.

Or you could not contribute to our managed decline you absolute cucks.

Ohhhh but he saved us! Ohhhh if you’re an expect you go on the trust! Ohhhh nobody wants to buy Swindon!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:12:26
Where did I put my orange hat?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:12:50
Where did I put my orange hat?
Clem shat in it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:13:11

Maybe shows some loyalty to Flynn with the potential for a good pay day.  New owners might want a new management team.


If you are in negotiations with potential buyers, you don’t go and do something that is going to upset that buyer (or buyers….) unless you’re wildly incompetent…. Actually….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:16:14
No coincidence that Aberdeen was eased out recently was it? Couldn’t afford to have a cuckoo in the nest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:17:32
Just have to hope they sell competently to competent people rather than a fire sale to a chancer

Actually nothing to date gives me faith this will happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:18:00
No coincidence that Aberdeen was eased out recently was it? Couldn’t afford to have a cuckoo in the nest.

Exactly and he brings in someone from Axis!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:21:47
A few of our sponsors need to take a hard look at themselves, more than one or two have got too involved with Clem and the day to day running of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:22:31
I legged it early this afternoon but did any poor soul that stayed til the end see Charlie Austin middle finger the TE


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:22:34
Only thing that makes me hope we get someone decent is that ‘we’ now own the ground. I say ‘we’ as not in the council. Having 50% of the ground owned by a supporters trust should be a safety net but could also be an impediment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:24:20
Wonder if Elon Musk still in the country?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:25:19
Taylor Swift?

She wanted to buy Notts County recently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:25:35
Something to check for the sake of my own sanity….how seriously are supposed to be taking Ryan Whelan, as a journalist? Wasn’t he a certified joke at one point? I’ve genuinely lost track. Why is it always his name on STFC “scoops”?

He is 100% is fed information.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:25:56
If you are in negotiations with potential buyers, you don’t go and do something that is going to upset that buyer (or buyers….) unless you’re wildly incompetent…. Actually….

Everything is as clear as mud, but being up for sale doesn't mean they are in negotiations yet. If it's in the early stages, then the contract extension makes sense to me in terms of "please don't walk and cause more disruption, you'll get a payday if you hang on".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:27:07
Steadying the ship with the Flynn extension


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:29:52
I just hope that for once this isn’t a quick sale and someone is allowed to do proper due diligence.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:30:06
Everything is as clear as mud, but being up for sale doesn't mean they are in negotiations yet. If it's in the early stages, then the contract extension makes sense to me in terms of "please don't walk and cause more disruption, you'll get a payday if you hang on".


I’m aware of that. But maybe they are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:44:16
Club is rotten to the core. Fuck off Clem.

This.

And every single one of you Clem apologists can fuck all the way off you absolute cunts.

You could contribute to our downfall with every single one of your shite devil's advocate defensive posts.

Fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:44:53
All signs point to something being very wrong at the club. It would be one hell of a stretch for Whelan to say that the players were paid late and the club had been put up for sale if it wasn’t true.

I just want all the fucking crooks and con men away from our club and someone with either a shit load of money or at least good intentions take over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:47:01
Trust assemble. Get hold of every even half affluent person within. 50 miles of Wiltshire who might spare a few grand to invest in a consortium to take this thing over.

Let's got get caught out like we did by Jed and Power before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:52:52
All signs point to something being very wrong at the club. It would be one hell of a stretch for Whelan to say that the players were paid late and the club had been put up for sale if it wasn’t true.

I just want all the fucking crooks and con men away from our club and someone with either a shit load of money or at least good intentions take over.

That’s all we can hope for now.
The only positive from today is that at last fans are now waking up.
It’s taken a long long time.

This Club is worth investing in, it really is and that is our hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:54:31
Morfuni was always a continuation of the Power regime and people were just kidding themselves into believing it was something different. Same dodgy goings on, same dodgy individuals involved with the club and the chickens have finally come home to roost. If only we still had TrustSTFC and not TrustClem


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 20:59:20
We’ve had better days.

Optimistically, it feels like we need a new broom and a new start. Really tough for the Trust though, naive, foolish or not this is going to be tough to handle and to rebuild from.

Club is a rollercoaster at the moment, we were signing someone yesterday and today we can’t pay the players we have…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 21:45:41
I’m so fed up with this shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 21:51:03
Morfuni was always a continuation of the Power regime and people were just kidding themselves into believing it was something different. Same dodgy goings on, same dodgy individuals involved with the club and the chickens have finally come home to roost. If only we still had TrustSTFC and not TrustClem

This

Any danger of an update on the look at the books?

Thought not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 22:10:29
This is the exciting part where we all speculate on all the potential new owners coming in before we realise we’re being taken over by a group of Tiktok influencers from America with no experience of football but saw Ryan Reynolds do it and thought it would be a fun idea.

Please just someone competent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 22:12:53
I'm not even greedy.

Just somebody who can put together a top 7 budget please. And who doesn't bullshit the fans.

Flynn will do the rest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 22:16:21
This is the exciting part where we all speculate on all the potential new owners coming in before we realise we’re being taken over by a group of Tiktok influencers from America with no experience of football but saw Ryan Reynolds do it and thought it would be a fun idea.

Please just someone competent.

Not even that.
If anyone was interested in buying us they’d have done it by now.

There is only one way we’re going to make a clean sweep and sort the financials out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 22:39:23
I expect it will simply move to someone already in that circle - Kiely is my guess.

I’d love a clean break but with all the hanger ons in the background I fear we’re stuck for a while yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 22:43:09
From Ryan Whelan on twitter:

Quote
With news like this I have to go through a process.

First I receive a tip that there could be a story this can come from a range of different places. I assess whether it is worth investigating further.

I then check the validity of that tip by checking the liklihood and if it is possible. I then go to different sources (never ever just one In this case several)

Then compile evidence and assess the validity of each claim and compare them against each other.

I had the news on the 1st November but opted to offer the club a right to reply. Which is where you contact them through official means prior to publication and offer them the chance to reply to the information. On the 1st the email was sent, was opened according to tracking software and no response was received.

I continued to gather evidence whilst giving time to respond. Even more trusted sources came to light today and offered information. I offered a second right to reply today but have yet to hear a response again, the email was opened.

The news could have been published on the 1st, but being a responsible journalist I contacted the club, informed them of the story and asked for comment. They have had opportunity to shut down the story prior to publication on two occasions and provide information, comment on the story or submit evidence that disproves the information I had received.

After going through those means I opted to publish the information based on what I had accumulated over the past week. The news would have been published today, game or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 22:45:09
Who would be Whelan’s source of information🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 23:02:28
Who would be Whelan’s source of information🤔

I’m assuming an agent of one (or more) of the players


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 23:11:47
From Ryan Whelan on twitter:

The fact the club just read and ignored it says everything, nothing but contempt for the supporters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 23:17:52
Gave my mate a hand tonight working behind his bar and haven’t had any signal since about 6pm.

Jesus Christ I’ve missed alot haven’t I?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 23:22:10
I'm actually tempted to go to the Stockport game now, and vent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 23:50:18
Wow, wow, wow. Am I so glad to have not bought season tickets this year. Also glad I didn’t spend £15 on less than 45 minutes of football because I’d have left before half time.

So, with the ‘revelation’ that we are up for sale it’s now up to the club to deny the ‘accusation’. The longer the silence the more voracity there is to the rumour.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 23:53:35
The next owner to come into this club is probably the most important in our history, if we carry on this seemingly constant chain of chancers and charlatans it’s non league here we come. It has to change for all of our sakes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 00:07:58
The next owner to come into this club is probably the most important in our history, if we carry on this seemingly constant chain of chancers and charlatans it’s non league here we come. It has to change for all of our sakes.

Well at least the next bunch of miscreants cannot sell SN1 for housing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 00:12:33
The next owner to come into this club is probably the most important in our history, if we carry on this seemingly constant chain of chancers and charlatans it’s non league here we come. It has to change for all of our sakes.

Unfortunately I do not think much will change. The new owner will have a good track record in business in whatever field they operate in. They will believe they can transfer the skills they have learnt in their business field into running a football club.  They will pump money into Swindon and then there will come a point when they cut their losses as they will realise running a football club is a money pit.

The only way things will change is if some multi millionaire (I mean someone with £200 million plus net worth) wants to take a punt on Swindon.  Then we may end up like Reading or Bristol City or at best Bournemouth or Luton.

It’s a shame football is like this now. Sounds daft but I enjoy supporting Swindon knowing that any given game, they can win, lose or draw regardless of whether they are heavy favourites or big under dogs.  Today was a great example.  

Man City fans for example must expect to win all 19 home games and probably 14-15 away games.  The only buzz they get are champions league quarter/semi finals when they play Real Madrid/Bayern away from home.

Granted the football Man City play is amazing but personally i don’t think you can beat that feeling at 3pm on a Saturday knowing any result in a Swindon game is possible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 00:31:08
So, with the ‘revelation’ that we are up for sale it’s now up to the club to deny the ‘accusation’.
[/quote
Would you believe Clem if he did deny it? I wouldn't


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 01:35:12
So, with the ‘revelation’ that we are up for sale it’s now up to the club to deny the ‘accusation’.
[/quote
Would you believe Clem if he did deny it? I wouldn't

Nope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Briggany on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 01:43:55
So I have my own Theory on this.It may be controversial and divide opinion. It also may be borderline common sense and based in logic but....

Lets wait and see where the chips lay. The whole player not paid rumor was started on this very forum with the originator saying themselves it was "just a guess"... then a few hours later it makes its way into an news article where the author could potentially make up some bullshit about "knowing" about it before hand just to cover their backs and not look like a dick.

It could be true but it could also be sensationalism to get clicks/likes on some Facebook post.  

If we go on the basis that an AVERAGE that we get 9k attendance a game and then apply the average of £20 a ticket, then we would be earning £180k a game. That's over £4.3m a season on ticket sales alone ((20 x 9,000) x 26)! That's not including drinks/food sales, sponsorships and merch sales. So We could safely say that we there is comfortably $5.5m in sales every season... My question is where is that money going?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 05:50:35
As a fanbase we are that desperate for bad news we’re taking something a journalist said on twitter as the absolute gospel truth FFS. His profession is to make up shit for clicks & likes.

Plus, when is our club not ‘up for sale’? Every owner in my lifetime would have sold the club if the right (…or even wrong) offer came in. Like player sales, every club has its price always has done - the issue is having someone bid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 05:52:59
So I have my own Theory on this.It may be controversial and divide opinion. It also may be borderline common sense and based in logic but....

Lets wait and see where the chips lay. The whole player not paid rumor was started on this very forum with the originator saying themselves it was "just a guess"... then a few hours later it makes its way into an news article where the author could potentially make up some bullshit about "knowing" about it before hand just to cover their backs and not look like a dick.

It could be true but it could also be sensationalism to get clicks/likes on some Facebook post. 

If we go on the basis that an AVERAGE that we get 9k attendance a game and then apply the average of £20 a ticket, then we would be earning £180k a game. That's over £4.3m a season on ticket sales alone ((20 x 9,000) x 26)! That's not including drinks/food sales, sponsorships and merch sales. So We could safely say that we there is comfortably $5.5m in sales every season... My question is where is that money going?

Average ticket price will be no where near 20.
Try 10 instead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 06:07:23
Even if was 20 and we were bringing in 180k a game.
…let’s say we 18 professionals on our books earning an average of 2k a week. That’s 36k just on player wages. Home games our only half our games - we’ll earn very little from away games so that 180k would have to cover 2 weeks worth of wages so that’s 72k of it gone - during the season. We still have players to play in June & July when there are no games.

That doesn’t even include the rent for the Ground. Wages of the day to day non playing staff, the match day only staff of stewards & kiosk workers. How ever much we have to pay for Policing presence. St John’s ambulance. Rent we pay for using Beaversbook as our training facility. Like all of us the club will still need to pay for gas, electric, water, broadband. I dread to think how much we spend on electricity just for a game in the winter with the flood lights on. Pitch maintenance (usually done in the summer) any loans we are paying back.

The money would also need to be used to buy in merchandise, food & away tickets (which you’d hope to make back + profit)

So, that’s going to be a chunk of that money.

I still think with season tickets, children, OAPs, Nationwide cheap tickets & Comps you’re looking at closer to £10 a ticket. Drop your maths down to 90k and just player wages will eat into most of that.


So yeah, don’t think getting higher attendances count for much these days. Wrexham certainly aren’t generating their spending power based on their crowds for home games.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:10:41
Whilst now isn’t the time for point scoring, there are plenty of people who have raised valid concerns about the current ownership and been ridiculed/laughed at, I think they’ll feel somewhat vindicated now.

Likewise when the coin turned with the previous ownership. Let’s not act like this has all come out of the blue and shocked us, people have been raising concerns and sharing snippets of worrying news for a while now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:13:58
You never know - this might be exactly how it’s meant to be in Morfuni/Kiely/Z Austin’s eyes. Get the ground, up revenue, pocket some, sell. The non-payment of players speaks volumes about their integrity - I doubt Z Austin has extended the same principle to his own family - but did we really expect anything else from this lot?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:21:35
Please for the love of god can we move away from this current batch of crooks. A completely fresh new start, nobody been in the background before. Anybody but this current batch


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:30:16
For anyone that didn’t know or hasn’t seen…

Supposedly FBT went up to a few people in the Nationwide Stand after the game and said, quite emotionally, something along the lines of:

‘We are as frustrated if not more frustrated than the fans, what the fans see is a smoke screen, we’ve had enough too, we can’t go on like this. It goes far beyond the players and manager. There is no money, no wages and not enough players’

Apparently he wasn’t there to make excuses, he looked genuinely gutted by all accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:33:46
The amount of players that have backed out of moves to the club over the last few years does start to make you wonder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:35:34
Average ticket price will be no where near 20.
Try 10 instead.
Nah, it’s way more. My ST works out at just over £13 per game, Mrs Audrey’s £17.60 per game. I can’t see the 5000 ST holders being evenly split between concessions and full price but even if it was that’s £15 per game. 4000 POTD fans - £27 full price, £22 concessions. Knock off a bit for kids I’d say the average price for those 4000 would be £20.

Don’t know about cheap tickets in the Nationwide.

I reckon you’re looking at around £150,000 per home game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:36:58
The amount of players that have backed out of moves to the club over the last few years does start to make you wonder.
And those staff who have left for pastures new.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:39:12
For anyone that didn’t know or hasn’t seen…

Supposedly FBT went up to a few people in the Nationwide Stand after the game and said, quite emotionally, something along the lines of:

‘We are as frustrated if not more frustrated than the fans, what the fans see is a smoke screen, we’ve had enough too, we can’t go on like this. It goes far beyond the players and manager. There is no money, no wages and not enough players’

Apparently he wasn’t there to make excuses, he looked genuinely gutted by all accounts.
May be true but that doesn’t excuse such a feeble performance. Reading have had it much worse yet their players don’t down tools - may not win many but they try.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 08:53:44
I don't think anyone 'downed tools' as such, players were in new positions and a previously concussed CB played his first game back and looked exactly like a concussed CB playing his first game back... we played fucking awfully and once they got ahead, 'the fear' looked to have set in... add in the players having been played into the ground by November and yesterday is what you get.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:11:12
There’s playing poorly - at MK the week before - and not playing at all - yesterday. Going 7 down at home to a non league team isn’t just playing poorly.

At MK we didn’t have Brewitt at all, no Kemp yet still looked like a team.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:11:14
This thread is going to be pretty busy going forward now I reckon.

Surely this week (fully aware we have a game on Tuesday) we need comms from the club and the Trust with what is going on. I think it's fair to say whatever the club say will probably be difficult to separate truth from fiction and the Trust are in a really difficult situation after snuggling up to Clem so much.

Any takeover is going to be challenging given the mess behind the scenes. When the time comes, I'd really be interested to hear from Rob Angus and Greg Norman (who reading between the lines seems particularly miffed about things)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:12:13
Saturday's result has made Swindon the laughing stock of English football.
Total embarrassment. Even worse than that of the England's cricket team performance in India


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:12:27
If a supporters Trust don't comment in a situation like this, even a holding statement saying we are asking the club, then frankly what is the point in the organisation?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:15:25
It’s the period between being for sale and actually being bought that’s dangerous. I presume there won’t be a Power-like threat of Admin as the club owes Clem a fair chunk so he’d lose that. Money, whatever there is, won’t be spent and if the wages are going to be a monthly problem hello points deductions.

Just hope the club isn’t just reformatted to include some of the present dodge pots taking over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:23:41
I imagine, there's the same number of skeletons in the closet as there were in the power era.. plus you're dealing with the same people. The debt is basically the same, just moved around a bit and clem doesn't even own all the shares so it wont be a 100% new owner situation. It doesn't sound that attractive for a new owner imo

shocked to see the trust hasn't made a statement - even a placeholder one to acknowledge the claims, etc..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:26:20
You never know - this might be exactly how it’s meant to be in Morfuni/Kiely/Z Austin’s eyes. Get the ground, up revenue, pocket some, sell. The non-payment of players speaks volumes about their integrity - I doubt Z Austin has extended the same principle to his own family - but did we really expect anything else from this lot?

Came in with no money, sell club and pocket money - simple.
Never trusted them from day one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:29:05
My concern is the ongoing court cases. How much of an impact is that going to have on interested parties? I'm sure there are seemingly quite a number of parasites in the STFC pie that are also going to require payment.

I'm certain there has been interest in the club this year, despite Clem stating the club isn't for sale, it very much has been. I'm just not sure the guys running the club are going to be particularly competent in making a sale happen. We'll see.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:32:01
Saturday's result has made Swindon the laughing stock of English football.
Total embarrassment. Even worse than that of the England's cricket team performance in India
It will pass - Yesterday’s news is tomorrow’s fish and chips paper.

Just have to wait and see what happens.

If all the things that have been said are true, then I just hope the present owners leave the club with some assets and we don’t have a repeat of the Power departure.

But, if they are all of the same I’ll as Power, there may be trouble ahead!

Nowt I can do about it, so just have to sit back and watch it play out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:33:14
Do those who bought shares in exchange for £2m have exemption rights as Clem did when it comes to a sale?

Strange timing for Flynn’s contract extension.

If the players are as pissed off as FBT claims who’s going to want to sign an extension to their contract.

Is anybody worth a fee going to be sold in January?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:36:53
Do those who bought shares in exchange for £2m have exemption rights as Clem did when it comes to a sale?

Strange timing for Flynn’s contract extension.

If the players are as pissed off as FBT claims who’s going to want to sign an extension to their contract.

Is anybody worth a fee going to be sold in January?

Given the money taps have been turned off, I reckon that's a fair assumption. Sadly I also think Kemp is unlikely to be with us come January which is going to be a huge loss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:40:58
My concern is the ongoing court cases. How much of an impact is that going to have on interested parties? I'm sure there are seemingly quite a number of parasites in the STFC pie that are also going to require payment.

I'm certain there has been interest in the club this year, despite Clem stating the club isn't for sale, it very much has been. I'm just not sure the guys running the club are going to be particularly competent in making a sale happen. We'll see.


I think the court cases are purely civil cases with individuals who no longer have official holdings in the club, so personally feel the club should be unaffected legally. Guess the possibility of a points deduction is the only looming issue. Unprecedented as well so don't really have much evidence to go on what the possible punishment would be

I'm also 99% sure there has been interest. I posted previously about the wild rumour that the Marc Bircham links started because the owner of Como was interested, and there was also the random rumour from Facebook in the summer that the StarSports betting owner was sniffing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:41:41
Do those who bought shares in exchange for £2m have exemption rights as Clem did when it comes to a sale?
Clem was asked in the last phone in and he said he didn't know  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:46:50
The Flynn extension contract was for a feel good statement. Just saying we are in control and nothing to worry about.
If correct surely trying to flog off football shirts at discounted prices is a problem and is trying to raise some petty cash for day to day expenses.
FBTs comments if true are really damming and would show MF has got problems in the dressing room as well.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 09:55:31
Flynn's comments post contract extension "I believe in the way the club want to go" etc, if he knew this was going on, are odd to say the least. Not sure that's leadership.

As for the rest...

Clem is exactly who many of us thought he was. If you didn't see the mask slip when he was talking about the Eady money, then you will likely defend him to the end.

We need a complete re-set at the Trust. We need a strong Trust now more than ever. People can say that they are volunteers but there are big sums of money involved here... maybe they shouldn't be.

I'd be interested to hear from the Eady trustees. They must be looking on in horror.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:15:18
I think the court cases are purely civil cases with individuals who no longer have official holdings in the club, so personally feel the club should be unaffected legally. Guess the possibility of a points deduction is the only looming issue. Unprecedented as well so don't really have much evidence to go on what the possible punishment would be

I'm also 99% sure there has been interest. I posted previously about the wild rumour that the Marc Bircham links started because the owner of Como was interested, and there was also the random rumour from Facebook in the summer that the StarSports betting owner was sniffing.

Ah that's a relief on the court cases then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:15:28
Clem had to buy the club or see his £1.15m disappear down the plug hole. Looking like everything since he achieved that objective has been to cement his investment for a future return. The money he has had to put in has been stretching him and stretching him. Looks like he has no more to put in and poor cup runs to put some jam on the bread and butter have not materialised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:17:35
My concern is the ongoing court cases. How much of an impact is that going to have on interested parties? I'm sure there are seemingly quite a number of parasites in the STFC pie that are also going to require payment.

I'm certain there has been interest in the club this year, despite Clem stating the club isn't for sale, it very much has been. I'm just not sure the guys running the club are going to be particularly competent in making a sale happen. We'll see.



I am more worried as to what they will demand.
Worrying.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:34:01
I am more worried as to what they will demand.
Worrying.

Yeah, I've read figures of about 15 million quid. Really hoping investors aren't going to be put off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:35:23
Yeah, I've read figures of about 15 million quid. Really hoping investors aren't going to be put off.

Barry and Standing need to get paid I suppose...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:37:24
They won't have much choice about what to demand if it's so dire that they can't pay creditors. Will be taken out of their hands then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:43:15
Yeah, I've read figures of about 15 million quid. Really hoping investors aren't going to be put off.
That as in £15mn that the club is being valued at/sale price? Or figures being bandied about in the court case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:46:09
That as in £15mn that the club is being valued at/sale price? Or figures being bandied about in the court case?
I presume it’s based on the money paid for the 20% (?) of shares sold to pay off the debenture.

£2.9m x 5 = £14.5m

Fanciful


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:46:47
That as in £15mn that the club is being valued at/sale price? Or figures being bandied about in the court case?

To be clear, this isn't the actual value, merely what I've seen or read. Please don't take what I've said as anything set in stone. Fwiw I've seen figures of between 10-15 million.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:51:30
To be clear, this isn't the actual value, merely what I've seen or read. Please don't take what I've said as anything set in stone. Fwiw I've seen figures of between 10-15 million.
Oh absolutely! Would never do that, was moreso checking that it was value talk rather than court case demands talk.

Given Able (factually or fictionally) offered £7mn plus Bogle sell on for a club without stadium ownership, £10mn seems reasonable. Especially if it's primarily paying off the Clem debt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 10:52:34
Andrew Hawes has reached out to the football finance maestro Kieran Maguire


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:02:53
Flynn new contract. I have three thoughts/suggestions

1) He wanted out as fed up, offered new deal as a sweetner
2) Someone came in for him, so we get more compo
3) Club up for sale, he knows this, club offer him new deal as a safety net if new people come in and want their own man in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:07:12
Flynn new contract. I have three thoughts/suggestions

1) He wanted out as fed up, offered new deal as a sweetner
2) Someone came in for him, so we get more compo
3) Club up for sale, he knows this, club offer him new deal as a safety net if new people come in and want their own man in.
Given Standing is rumoured to be his agent, 3 makes a lot of sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:07:16
Flynn new contract. I have three thoughts/suggestions

1) He wanted out as fed up, offered new deal as a sweetner
2) Someone came in for him, so we get more compo
3) Club up for sale, he knows this, club offer him new deal as a safety net if new people come in and want their own man in.

I've heard a rumour number 1 happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:09:27
I've heard a rumour number 1 happened.

This interests me, as i know your info is usually on the button


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:13:08
I am more worried as to what they will demand.
Worrying.

It’s gonna get messy isn’t it. I imagine He can ask for whatever the fuck he wants, probably an 8 figure sum. EFL will block his preferred sale to one within the  Lee Power, Morfuni, Zav Austin wrongun circle of pals. Gets blocked then he says he tried to sell so will stop funding. January fire sale. Bills won’t be getting paid- already unpaid contractors. Preemption rights to Kiely and Paladorio? Or maybe to some of Britain’s most wanted? Hahahaha. Imagine all that aye. And to think the clem cucks on here clowned you at any point you questioned the regime.

Hopefully none of that shit above happens, we get someone with ambition and get some proper football brains in, it happens swiftly, we strengthen the squad and finally fuck off Lee Powers mates for good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:24:09
This interests me, as i know your info is usually on the button

I also hear a lot of things that aren't on the button too! Haha. To be honest the Flynn bit I heard wasn't exactly concrete, but given the news yesterday, who knows what went on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:39:28
Quote from: Bob's Orange
Yeah, I've read figures of about 15 million quid. Really hoping investors aren't going to be put off.

no way on earth... what justification could there be for that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:42:20
Indeed, you’re buying half a dilapidated ground, a wage bill and a club crest with an incorrect train on it. £15m is laughable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:46:36
He/they are going to want the money back put in to pay off the debts that were owed - which is around £7m. Plus the £1.2m he put in during the Power days, so that’s already up to £8m.

Then there will be the other money they’ve put in between them that we don’t know about, by they, I mean Clem, Zav, Kiely maybe even Hart.

Plus I imagine they’re all going to want to make a bit, which is the whole reason they took on the club in the first place.

So, when it’s broken down, I really wouldn’t be shocked if £15m is what they’re asking for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 11:55:22
What they want and what it is worth are two different things.

Owners selling failing businesses don’t get out what they put in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: donkey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:03:18
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/club-statement-an-update-from--clem-morfuni?fbclid=IwAR1Uw6Mmgk9oJCrsAWMUn-6a-24XkTc_nVyp6hUBTqFsTkPOeA5lz6Ilu78


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:05:50
Surely someone within the club can proof read an article before it is posted


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:08:49
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/club-statement-an-update-from--clem-morfuni?fbclid=IwAR1Uw6Mmgk9oJCrsAWMUn-6a-24XkTc_nVyp6hUBTqFsTkPOeA5lz6Ilu78

I like the statement.

However, we’ve had plenty of statements from Clem that at best stretch the truth and at worst are outright lies

So, I’ll take everything he says with a pinch of salt - which still makes me more positive than most


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:12:27
Phew! That’s put my mind entirely at rest.

Carry on!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:12:42
So we’re not for sale, but we have been entertaining discussions from potential people willing to buy the club and expressing an interest to do so but that doesn’t mean we’re up for sale


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:14:32
Surely someone within the club can proof read an article before it is posted
Well, seeing as last week they got the MK result wrong I highly doubt it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:15:36
I think the thread title needs to be amended because we have reached the 100% bollocks stage now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:16:06
To be fair to them they’ve executed the “they’re getting restless, put out a quick statement that they’ll eat up” tactic a lot quicker this time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:19:09
So we’re not for sale, but we have been entertaining discussions from potential people willing to buy the club and expressing an interest to do so but that doesn’t mean we’re up for sale

The statement seems honest and reasonable to me. I own a house - not intending to sell, but if someone puts a note through my door expressing an interest I would have a discussion. Doesn’t mean I’d sell it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:22:26
Actions speak louder than words. January will see whether it’s total bollocks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:25:10
Actions speak louder than words. January will see whether it’s total bollocks.

There are 11 games before January! Our season will be over by then. The damage has already been done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:25:26
The statement seems honest and reasonable to me. I own a house - not intending to sell, but if someone puts a note through my door expressing an interest I would have a discussion. Doesn’t mean I’d sell it.
Except the guy is incapable of being honest as he has repeatedly shown.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:27:11
There are 11 games before January! Our season will be over by then. The damage has already been done.
May well be. But I meant whether there is positive recruitment or player sales.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:36:26
We've had two and a half years of Clem. I've seen enough. Our squad composition is an absolute joke. The season will be over by January, which will no doubt herald a fire sale.

I honestly don't understand fans who are still buying his schtick. He has lied time and again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:37:08
Resd the first paragraph and that was enough for me to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:41:49
Lies, lies and more lies

Is he Power in disguise....?

And still some fans will be backing him!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:42:47
I know it has been done to death but we've halved the rent on the ground, as I understand it, have sold plenty of players for money in the last 18 months, have 9,000 paying fans most weeks and are still allegedly haemorrhaging money despite having the smallest playing squad in living memory...

None of it adds up to anything other than BS. If it isn't sustainable now it never will be. What magic revenue streams are there left? Oh yeah, the concert. Honestly.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:44:27
Based on the 22% of shares sold for £2.9m that equates to the club, supposedly, worth £13.2m.

I still don’t get the ‘not covering costs’ bit plus the ‘deals in place that are not making the club money but plenty for others’.

What deals? Thought the catering stuff was sorted. It’s these kind of statements that need fleshing out and explained then people could see if it’s a reasonable excuse or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:46:35
Based on the 22% of shares sold for £2.9m that equates to the club, supposedly, worth £13.2m.

I still don’t get the ‘not covering costs’ bit plus the ‘deals in place that are not making the club money but plenty for others’.

What deals? Thought the catering stuff was sorted. It’s these kind of statements that need fleshing out and explained then people could see if it’s a reasonable excuse or not.

Yes, the usual dose of cryptic amateur bollocks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:51:35
The bloke is a fucking idiot.
More bullshit after more bullshit. Just fuck off. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:53:52
Well that statement clears it all up doesnt it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 12:56:13
Well that statement clears it all up doesnt it.

The statement in itself is fine, and probably what was needed.

The problem is based on the past few months (or more for some) none of us believe it anymore


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:00:44
The statement in itself is fine, and probably what was needed.

The problem is based on the past few months (or more for some) none of us believe it anymore
Indeed a statement was needed but I no longer trust anything he says after lying to the fans several times recently.

I guess though some fans will believe every word he says and some will believe nothing, many of us sit somewhere in the middle but there is no smoke without fire.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ticker45 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:02:43
Well another statement that fritters around the edges but does not go into any real details as to who is owed what and how much and where it really leaves the club. This I can understand that names/companies will not be bandied around but it still has that awful taint of financial shenanigans being involved once again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:08:13
I particularly liked the part where he said he will be personally overviewing Januarys transfer window

Now, im not sure about anyone else, but i would actually like someone who has a fucking clue what they are doing be in charge of this part!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:09:02
I know it has been done to death but we've halved the rent on the ground, as I understand it, have sold plenty of players for money in the last 18 months, have 9,000 paying fans most weeks and are still allegedly haemorrhaging money despite having the smallest playing squad in living memory...

None of it adds up to anything other than BS. If it isn't sustainable now it never will be. What magic revenue streams are there left? Oh yeah, the concert. Honestly.



It’s nothing new or out of the ordinary.

Football clubs operate at losses and don’t make money.
Either you have some super rich dude plug the gaps or you’re basically living on the poverty line.
We are the latter - whether that’s Clem or another. It will always be that way unless we find someone with very deep pockets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:11:03
I know it has been done to death but we've halved the rent on the ground, as I understand it, have sold plenty of players for money in the last 18 months, have 9,000 paying fans most weeks and are still allegedly haemorrhaging money despite having the smallest playing squad in living memory...

None of it adds up to anything other than BS. If it isn't sustainable now it never will be. What magic revenue streams are there left? Oh yeah, the concert. Honestly.



 :doh:  :nod:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:13:29
If the recruitment has been exceptional and you’re happy to extend the managers contract what the fuck is going wrong🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:20:48
It’s nothing new or out of the ordinary.

Football clubs operate at losses and don’t make money.
Either you have some super rich dude plug the gaps or you’re basically living on the poverty line.
We are the latter - whether that’s Clem or another. It will always be that way unless we find someone with very deep pockets

Yes, a small loss I can understand. That is not what is allegedly happening.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:24:57
Do we even know if Clem is paying himself back out of income or is he waiting for a sale to get his money back?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Processed Beats on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:27:16
More bullshit to appease the happy clappers. Fuck off Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:28:28
Given this:

There have been reports and speculation concerning player payments and HMRC issues which I can confirm have been paid and also paid on time. In the past fortnight, I have injected £250,000 to stabilise the club and I will continue to stabilise the club as and when needed. We still encounter many difficulties due to the years of mismanagement from the prior ownership and these challenges are still painstakingly being worked through and paid for me.

The current club revenue is not sufficient to cover the costs to run the club, with existing deals in place that have been active for years that don’t make us any money and benefit others tremendously.  Anthony Hall our CEO has talked me through this at length and our plan is to focus on new revenue streams for the club, we also need to renegotiate all of our less favourable commercial deals and enhance our offerings to generate additional revenue.

How is he anticipating strengthening the squad in January?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:29:21
Yes, a small loss I can understand. That is not what is allegedly happening.

Why can’t you understand a big loss?

I’m not going to pretend to know our finances but it’s not exactly a shock to find out we are losing a lot money. It’s been happening year after year for years


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:29:35
Hearing we owe Puma money too, hence half priced shirts and no third strip.

Don't know if that's one that has been posted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:30:53
I heared Charlie Austin has been told not to score so we don’t have to pay his goal bonus.
As he hadn’t been paid for October he decided to smash 2 in yesterday to feed his family.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:31:03
Do we even know if Clem is paying himself back out of income or is he waiting for a sale to get his money back?

The club is operating at a loss so it’s unlikely this is the case. The only way he could repay himself would be by not paying other creditors who the club owes money to (ie HMRC, players wages etc).

Ultimately the club is trying to be more self sustainable and budgets have been applied accordingly.

My worrying observation on the statement above is that league 1 teams on average lose more money then league 2 teams. It’s a bit of an odd comment to make and maybe Clem doesn’t think promotion is financially worth it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:32:08
If, and when, the open and transparent accounts are made public we can see where the money is going.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:32:28
Why can’t you understand a big loss?

I’m not going to pretend to know our finances but it’s not exactly a shock to find out we are losing a lot money. It’s been happening year after year for years

We've just halved the rent, ticket prices are sky high, highest ave attendance in years, shirts selling out etc etc combined with minimal investment in the squad.

Correct me if I'm wrong, we made a small loss in Clem's first year didn't we? Now he is having to pump in £250k to 'stabilise'. It doesn't add up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:33:59
Given this:

There have been reports and speculation concerning player payments and HMRC issues which I can confirm have been paid and also paid on time. In the past fortnight, I have injected £250,000 to stabilise the club and I will continue to stabilise the club as and when needed. We still encounter many difficulties due to the years of mismanagement from the prior ownership and these challenges are still painstakingly being worked through and paid for me.

The current club revenue is not sufficient to cover the costs to run the club, with existing deals in place that have been active for years that don’t make us any money and benefit others tremendously.  Anthony Hall our CEO has talked me through this at length and our plan is to focus on new revenue streams for the club, we also need to renegotiate all of our less favourable commercial deals and enhance our offerings to generate additional revenue.

How is he anticipating strengthening the squad in January?

I’m assuming by asking Kiely for some more cash then accidentally selling him the whole club in the process


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:34:05
why do we need 250k in November when cash flow should be at normal levels?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:36:20
We've just halved the rent, ticket prices are sky high, highest ave attendance in years, shirts selling out etc etc combined with minimal investment in the squad.

Correct me if I'm wrong, we made a small loss in Clem's first year didn't we? Now he is having to pump in £250k to 'stabilise'. It doesn't add up.
Thought we made £150,000 profit last year


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:37:43
why do we need 250k in November when cash flow should be at normal levels?
Very early in the season to have cash flow problems, probably just putting back in what he already took out in the first place to pay towards the debenture debt or something.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:38:38
We've just halved the rent, ticket prices are sky high, highest ave attendance in years, shirts selling out etc etc combined with minimal investment in the squad.

Correct me if I'm wrong, we made a small loss in Clem's first year didn't we? Now he is having to pump in £250k to 'stabilise'. It doesn't add up.

I bet we are still paying Jody Morris


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:39:10
Finished in October. Or so we were told.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:41:28
Thought we made £150,000 profit last year

That was to May 2022. In that season we played Man City (if we didn’t play them we would have made a small loss).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:42:44
Is 2023 accounts available yet


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:45:08
That was to May 2022. In that season we played Man City (if we didn’t play them we would have made a small loss).
We sold McKirdy, Gladwin, Lindsey, Reed, got Twine sell on…. Should more than match what we got for the Man City game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:49:28
We sold McKirdy, Gladwin, Lindsey, Reed, got Twine sell on…. Should more than match what we got for the Man City game.

And the manager compensations for Garner and Lindsay?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:50:25
we made a small profit first year due to man city gate, and playoffs.

last year unknown


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:51:00
And the manager compensations for Garner and Lindsay?
Got some for Iandolo too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:54:36
Honestly our fans are so fucking thick we deserve what we get.

In the diamandis days we had some.fight. now there's so many subpar intelligent toal lovely bloke fuckheads ready to boot lick whatever regime is in charge it makes it impossible to demand what we deserve.

I fucking hate you cunts. If you cunts had a spine under Lee Power it wouldn't have been as bad as it was, but you don't
 It's rinse and repeat
I think I must be one of those cunts that you hate. Can you remind me what your contribution has been to put things right, apart from posting very angry messages?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:56:59
Always interesting to see which tweets people like:

https://twitter.com/bobbyang73/likes

Angus 'liking' tweets alluding to cashflow issues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: donkey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 13:58:28
The statement seems honest and reasonable to me. I own a house - not intending to sell, but if someone puts a note through my door expressing an interest I would have a discussion. Doesn’t mean I’d sell it.

Well, buying a football club is very much like buying a house.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:00:33
Did the last Monthly Nonsense give any warning that Clem was going to need to inject £250k to 'stabilise' the club? No, it did not. Just bin the bloody thing off. Absolute charade.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:02:37
Always interesting to see which tweets people like:

https://twitter.com/bobbyang73/likes

Angus 'liking' tweets alluding to cashflow issues.

Marcus Cassidy saying he would ‘like to warts and all’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:09:36
Marcus Cassidy saying he would ‘like to warts and all’
Angus liking a post about cash flow worries.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:13:21
Well, buying a football club is very much like buying a house.
Buying a football club is very much like making love to a beautiful woman.
(http://www.morganjones.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Swiss-Tony-from-the-fast-show-a-tax-returns-are-like-making-love-to-a-beautiful-woman.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:33:49
Among the things which don’t  make sense is the reference in the Club statement to acquisitions in the January window.

I’m not an expert on EFL rules, but doesn’t non payment of wages (or late payment) trigger an embargo? If logic applied (and football governance and logical aren’t words usually appearing in one sentence) wouldn’t the inability to pay the players already on the books automatically trigger a ban on signing any more?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:39:07
I think there’s some sort of timescale for lateness. Sounds like it was ‘only’ a few days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:48:00
Honestly our fans are so fucking thick we deserve what we get.

In the diamandis days we had some.fight. now there's so many subpar intelligent toal lovely bloke fuckheads ready to boot lick whatever regime is in charge it makes it impossible to demand what we deserve.

I fucking hate you cunts. If you cunts had a spine under Lee Power it wouldn't have been as bad as it was, but you don't
 It's rinse and repeat

I look forward to your crusade to rid us of Clem.

I assume you’ve put your name forward to join the Trust board and are actively seeking someone to buy the club as we speak.
Someone who can indefinitely bank roll is to all the things we don’t deserve.

Good luck.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:50:12
Have fans ever got rid of an owner?

Maybe that rapist at Blackpool.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:51:01
Have fans ever got rid of an owner?

Maybe that rapist at Blackpool.

Well, our Trust helped force Power out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:51:29
I think there’s some sort of timescale for lateness. Sounds like it was ‘only’ a few days.

Clem has confirmed they were paid on time okay. Case closed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 14:53:45
I look forward to your crusade to rid us of Clem.

I assume you’ve put your name forward to join the Trust board and are actively seeking someone to buy the club as we speak.
Someone who can indefinitely bank roll is to all the things we don’t deserve.

Good luck.
I think he is too busy creating AFC Swindon to get involved in that sort of nonsense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:00:32
So despite average gates of 8-9k and a meagre looking playing budget in the bottom division we are losing money hand over fist.

Complete bullshit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:01:58
We’re losing money hand over fist because he’s transferring the funds to the other side of the world to keep his main business going😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:04:08
Clem has confirmed they were paid on time okay. Case closed.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:07:44
I think he is too busy creating AFC Swindon to get involved in that sort of nonsense.

I hope he’s put together a competitive budget


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:08:19
We’re losing money hand over fist because he’s transferring the funds to the other side of the world to keep his main business going😁

You’re probably correct his business’s are struggling so that makes sense


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:08:43
You’re probably correct his business’s are struggling so that makes sense

But can’t see him admitting to that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:09:25
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Clem is as much a credible source as a random person on the TEF who said the players hadn’t been
paid.

I get the skepticism over what Clem has said but why are we taking the word of some dickhead on the TEF as the cold hard honest truth?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:11:44
Who started the rumour on here🤔


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:15:28
Quote
Angus liking a post about cash flow worries.
you don't flog shirts off cheap before Christmas if you don't need cash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:16:01
Clem is as much a credible source as a random person on the TEF who said the players hadn’t been
paid.

I get the skepticism over what Clem has said but why are we taking the word of some dickhead on the TEF as the cold hard honest truth?

Yeah who to believe some dick head on the TEF or someone who claims to have injected £250k into the club over the past couple of weeks. 🤔 I suppose we should take both with healthy scepticism.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 15:18:13
Quote from: Bob1978
or someone who claims to have injected £250k into the club over the past couple of weeks. .

yeah, so the wages were slightly delayed not late ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:13:03
The club statement reads as total bullshit to me - it's got far to much insinuations without detail to be taken seriously.  It's like the Iraqi guy telling everyone that they were OK while the US tanks were rumbling away in the background.

The most obvious reason to discount it, is the fact it doesn't just outright deny.  It takes each possible problem and gives a degree of credence to it by trying to add a little colour to why it's not a problem or something to worry about.

All these dodgy contracts we have - how fucking long do we sign up to stuff?  Clem has been in the bloody building for 6 years and sole owner for two.

Someone asked about pre-emption rights - Yes is the answer.  They were added at the same time the shares were transferred.  There are no details about money, so it's likely just having the right to get first dibs.  We still have no idea what the loan terms were either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:15:50
The club statement reads as total bullshit to me - it's got far to much insinuations without detail to be taken seriously.  It's like the Iraqi guy telling everyone that they were OK while the US tanks were rumbling away in the background.

The most obvious reason to discount it, is the fact it doesn't just outright deny.  It takes each possible problem and gives a degree of credence to it by trying to add a little colour to why it's not a problem or something to worry about.

All these dodgy contracts we have - how fucking long do we sign up to stuff?  Clem has been in the bloody building for 6 years and sole owner for two.

Someone asked about pre-emption rights - Yes is the answer.  They were added at the same time the shares were transferred.  There are no details about money, so it's likely just having the right to get first dibs.  We still have no idea what the loan terms were either.

Clem has always been a fan of the rambling nonsense press release.

But responding to allegations of players not being paid by talking about a new fanzone is right up there. If the plumbing thing doesn't work out, which seems likely, i'd suggest he gives PR and Comms a swerve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:33:12
Right, so having looked at the AB minutes (because I am certain the fanzone thing was raised at the first one, over two years ago) the contracts thingy relates to the fact the catering deal is still unpaid by us and subject to a winding-up order.  That one was known about - a 10 year deal, which would be up soon I think.  Clem obviously decided to take a risk and cut ties and bring it in house, so it is not surprising they would want their money.

Then there is some waffle about Powers car and some sort of lease on an office.  Don't get me wrong, I am sure Power was sorting out shit for himself and left trouble, but it has been two fucking years.  You may not like what he signed the club up to, but you were in the fucking room when he did (not literally).

I thought Clem may have been going on about some great unknown financial strains - these are known about and hardly bank breaking.   Yes, they are a pain, but when you are an existing shareholder and non-Exec Director of the business for four years and then do your due diligence when forcing a sale to you, suck it up.  I have no sympathy for Clem here at all.  Move on, find new ways to make money and handle what you took on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:40:48
Yes, his window for blaming the previous ownership, of which he was a part as you rightly say, has long slammed shut.

Whelan, who clearly has a reliable 'in', is saying some players were told their wages were paid late due to an accounting error. Imagine them then reading Clem's absolute guff that it never happened.

I do sense that we are reaching the endgame for Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:44:56
With having absolutely no idea about football finances I’d like to know if our income would cover our expenditure if there were none of these ‘anomalies’ that Clem claims are causing the deficit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:49:28
That’s why the full accounts are needed.

Power hid behind reduced accounts for years while he plundered


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:51:58
I think Power was more savvy than Clem plus seemed to have lots of crooked contacts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:05:04
Clems statement seems to hang rob angus out to dry where it says that he is speaking with his mate Anthony Hall about non favourable current contracts and he is fully briefing him on them, so what did Rob Angus do, sit on his hands and ignore anything financial and tell Clem all is fine financially ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:05:38
It would be easy for Clem to prove the finances instead of being repeatedly vague. It’s that vagueness that raises suspicions that things aren’t bring done properly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:06:47
Clems statement seems to hang rob angus out to dry where it says that he is speaking with his mate Anthony Hall about non favourable current contracts and he is fully briefing him on them, so what did Rob Angus do, sit on his hands and ignore anything financial and tell Clem all is fine financially ?

May be wrong, but I took that to mean commercial contracts not staff contracts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:09:30
Jesus read the post you commented on above.

And again is their any need for profanity and personal abuse

If you can't debate like an adult don't do it at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:11:10
Jesus read the post you commented on above.

And again is their any need for profanity and personal abuse

If you can't debate like an adult don't do it at all

None of the above answers the question. Just be careful of name calling you can't back up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:13:16
None of the above answers the question. Just be careful of name calling you can't back up.

 :zzz:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:13:58
I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:16:04
Again, it’s easy for Clem to prove it’s just incompetence and not ‘shenanigans’.

And there’s fuck all us fans can do about it either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:19:43
I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.

Well said!!

We've had too many dodgy owners ...and that's going back further than Power and Jed

In 50 years of supporting town I cannot think of a time when we've been totally relaxed with the owners or finances

There's a reason we are known as Swindle Town to other clubs

Unfortunately they all move in the same circles and so tend to sell to within.....

We need a complete break and have an owner who is not within the Jed/Power/Morfuni circle of friends



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:20:14
It’s easier for fans to think our failures are down to shady goings on than anything else. In some ways they prefer it to be that because then the prospect that things will get better just by changing the ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:27:47
None of the above answers the question. Just be careful of name calling you can't back up.

For exactly the reasons many called Power a crook and that was ok on here apparently.....

We were told we were virtually debt free

8-9k gates
Lowish budget
Numerous sales and sell ons

Yet we

Cannot pay players ontime
Bills are racking up due to inability to pay....

So where has/ is the money going.......

Power was a crook according to fans when all the same things were happening.......

So in that logic  .......Morfuni is.....dodgy

There I havnt said the C word.......Happy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:29:42
For exactly the reasons many called Power a crook and that was ok on here apparently.....

We were told we were virtually debt free

8-9k gates
Lowish budget
Numerous sales and sell ons

Yet we

Cannot pay players ontime
Bills are racking up due to inability to pay....

So where has/ is the money going.......

Power was a crook according to fans when all the same things were happening.......

So in that logic  .......Morfuni is.....dodgy

There I havnt said the C word.......Happy?

Are you aware of Clem doing anything illegal?

Are you aware of Clem taking any money out of the club?

Two simple questions, as I said, I don’t trust him before you tell me to stop burying my head in the sand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:29:58
For exactly the reasons many called Power a crook and that was ok on here apparently.....

We were told we were virtually debt free

8-9k gates
Lowish budget
Numerous sales and sell ons

Yet we

Cannot pay players ontime
Bills are racking up due to inability to pay....

So where has/ is the money going.......

Power was a crook according to fans when all the same things were happening.......

So in that logic  .......Morfuni is.....dodgy

There I havnt said the C word.......Happy?

Mate call him a crook, call him a nonce if you want. They're your words not mine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:30:14
It’s easier for fans to think our failures are down to shady goings on than anything else. In some ways they prefer it to be that because then the prospect that things will get better just by changing the ownership.

True.
Unless you’ve got a multibillionaire as owner;a loss making business is still going be a loss making business no matter how many people we hound out because they aren’t bank rolling us with millions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:32:56
True.
Unless you’ve got a multibillionaire as owner;a loss making business is still going be a loss making business no matter how many people we hound out because they aren’t bank rolling us with millions.

And yet we made a profit in Clem's first year...

There is nothing wrong with wanting a lying Chairman who surrounds himself with convicted criminals out of the club.

I really don't get your argument that "it'll always be like this whoever is owner, get over it."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:33:17
Maybe Cowley is embracing our Australian owner and suggesting he's unwell, perhaps he has Covid?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:33:55
Are you aware of Clem doing anything illegal?

Are you aware of Clem taking any money out of the club?

Two simple questions, as I said, I don’t trust him before you tell me to stop burying my head in the sand.

I give up!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:36:36
What I don’t understand is how our outgoings are much different to other clubs in L2. Sure, budgets differ but fixed costs must be similar. Our income must be top end of L2, so where’s the anomaly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:37:42
I give up!



It’s 2 basic questions that need one word answers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:42:16
What I don’t understand is how our outgoings are much different to other clubs in L2. Sure, budgets differ but fixed costs must be similar. Our income must be top end of L2, so where’s the anomaly.

Pure guess work but I imagine fixed costs differ depending on whether teams own or rent their stadium / training ground. The anomaly I imagine comes down to owners(s) putting their hand in their own pockets & how deep those pockets are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:42:22
I want to know how much these numerous sponsors bring in?

We might as well have a hot water sponsor, we have a sponsor for every fucking thing else


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:48:35
It is possible that the statement is a message to those interested in buying. “We’re not skint, we’ve got some leverage, honest. Please don’t lower your bid price because we’re desperate.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:48:38
Should be a Truth Jar sponsor


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:49:14
It’s 2 basic questions that need one word answers.

Same conversation as under Power though, isn't it? People expect you to have concrete evidence something is going on or shut the fuck up and don't talk about it.  

and then by the time its completely clear and obvious we're in fucksville.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:51:04
I always remember Sam Moosehead saying you’ll never know about an owner until they become ex-owners and the skeletons come tumbling out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:55:47
I give up!



Best to Mate, you won’t convince them.
Share errors
Accounting errors
Playing for time….desperation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:58:42
Best to Mate, you won’t convince them.
Share errors
Accounting errors
Playing for time….desperation.

I'm not doubting this! But don't call him a crook in black and white!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 17:58:43
Playing for time - for what purpose?

They either can’t afford to run the club, so must be actively pursuing a sale - which is what is thought to be the  case.

Or they can’t afford to run the club, and hold onto the club, to accrue more debt and make an exit progressively more difficult, at a lower price? That makes no sense. There’s no reason for them to stick around.

Or they can afford the club, in which case, they’ve fooled us all!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:00:09
I just feel he’s bitten off more than he chew with the football club and businesses back in Oz


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:03:21
I just feel he’s bitten off more than he chew with the football club and businesses back in Oz

Which would be fine but why the lies and the ex convicts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:04:08
Which would be fine but why the lies and the ex convicts?

At the moment one of life’s mysteries :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:19:34
I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.

Great post.

The cucks will keep cucking right till the end for sweet clemmy just how they did for Lee Power. Sooner we fuck off clem the better.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:24:17
I also don’t see why relegation this season isn’t possible.

A points deduction plus fire sale in January and we could be in free fall.

Whilst it seems a stretch now, let’s not pretend it isn’t possible.

At least Power had the decency to run us into the ground in the off-season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:25:53
I wouldn’t call Morfuni a crook, there’s plenty of other names he warrants being called. However, it’s a statement of fact that those he surrounds himself with are crooks and that’s been confirmed in the court room.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:28:44
I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.

Spot on here.
The bloke is a chancer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:34:47
I just want us to have a football team that competes. I thought that we were only about 3 players away from a decent squad.

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I did like the fact that things seemed to be quiet for a bit, but then exploded with Zav. Morris appears to show little interest and then leaves with some barbed comments about behind the scenes. Then it exploded again with Clem lying and Rob Angus leaving. Then there were others leaving saying all is not well. Then there's the restructuring of Clem's businesses and apparent lack of money. And now this. The shirt sales seem bizarre. The FBT rumour.

I don't know who is good and who is bad. But there is no smoke without fire. I'd like a clean break from this crap. Can't see it happening though unfortunately.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:37:33
Great post.

The cucks will keep cucking right till the end for sweet clemmy just how they did for Lee Power. Sooner we fuck off crook clem the better.

Now now don't call Sweet Clem a crook!!

Some will get very upset!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:39:39
I'm not doubting this! But don't call him a crook in black and white!

Are you Clems Wife/ GF / BF ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: yeo on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:43:12
So.. do I need to come out of retirement for a storming of the boardroom again or not


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:44:00
Are you Clems Wife/ GF / BF ?

Mex was questioning our ownership long before Clem was on the scene, he just knows a thing or two about what you should and shouldn't say when doing so if you don't fancy lawyering up. He's not defending Clem, he's just trying to warn you to be careful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:44:25
Since when did fans get rid of an owner?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:45:04
Are you Clems Wife/ GF / BF ?

Another intelligent response from you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:46:22
Another intelligent response from you

But it's OK for me to be personally insulted?

Double standards as always...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:47:40
Another intelligent response from you

Also trying to add a little humour to a forum that is a bit tense...

Apologies for any offense caused!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:47:56
I just want us to have a football team that competes. I thought that we were only about 3 players away from a decent squad.

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I did like the fact that things seemed to be quiet for a bit, but then exploded with Zav. Morris appears to show little interest and then leaves with some barbed comments about behind the scenes. Then it exploded again with Clem lying and Rob Angus leaving. Then there were others leaving saying all is not well. Then there's the restructuring of Clem's businesses and apparent lack of money. And now this. The shirt sales seem bizarre. The FBT rumour.

I don't know who is good and who is bad. But there is no smoke without fire. I'd like a clean break from this crap. Can't see it happening though unfortunately.

I think it is a touch revisionist to say it was ever quiet and then it exploded with Zav. It was absolutely batshit from the get go with that mad statement about Zav being attacked!

Clem tried to install a convicted drugs money launderer as the Vice Chairman as almost his first act. It stank to high heaven, it is just that people wanted to believe the bucket hat dream after Power. And the Trust, having assisted in the takeover, ran a relentless PR campaign, defending the regime against any criticism on social media and on here. But it was always there in plain sight that things were 'off.' The lies started stacking up pretty quickly. We partnered with a FAKE FOOTBALL CLUB in Pakistan FFS!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Now we can probably agree that Clem was in position A to takeover whatever happened and there wasn't much to be done about that but he and his pals should have been scrutinised from day 1 rather than soft soaped.
 
2 1/2 years later, if people are still making excuses for him I would file them under 'beyond redemption.'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: blinkpip on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:48:15
Most fans so want to believe there nothing wrong behind the scenes as it's all we wanted to happen one day. We been so mugged off for the last 30+ years, were desperate for something good for the Club one day.
It's also so hard to trust anyone within the Club because of this and it's now spreading on trusting the trust with these rumours flying about.

We need whistle blowers and anyone of knowledge what happening to start speaking up in better detail, don't leave it until something happens and say ''I told you bad things are happening'' it's too late.

I so don't know what to believe anymore, but negative option usually takes control after years of shit.

What can we do? Unless we see some concrete evidence things are good then we continue to live in misery and hope for years to come.  :suicide:



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:48:59
Most fans so want to believe there nothing wrong behind the scenes as it's all we wanted to happen one day. We been so mugged off for the last 30+ years, were desperate for something good for the Club one day.
It's also so hard to trust anyone within the Club because of this and it's now spreading on trusting the trust with these rumours flying about.

We need whistle blowers and anyone of knowledge what happening to start speaking up in better detail, don't leave it until something happens and say ''I told you bad things are happening'' it's too late.

I so don't know what to believe anymore, but negative option usually takes control after years of shit.

What can we do? Unless we see some concrete evidence things are good then we continue to live in misery and hope for years to come.  :suicide:



Well said


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:49:14
But it's OK for me to be personally insulted?

Double standards as always...

Did he hurt your feelings? I've not been keeping up with the toxic posts as most of you are deluded


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:50:27
Did he hurt your feelings? I've not been keeping up with the toxic posts as most of you are deluded

Nah too old in the tooth for that......



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:52:41
Since when did fans get rid of an owner?

The Trust certainly played a part in getting rid of Power.

https://truststfc.com/history-and-timeline/

Pretty sure Oyston was forced out at Blackpool.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:55:43
Nah too old in the tooth for that......


Then why not stop pussyfooting about and give us the facts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 18:57:22
On the subject of the Trust, 24+ hours on and still nothing from them I see. How pointless are the they now as an organisation. Even with all this going on they’ve not said a word but previously any time anyone dared question their darling Morfuni board members were straight on here to defend him. They need to hold an EGM to shake up their board to regain any form of credibility. We need the Ground JV to be handed over to a standalone organisation so that the Trust can start fulfilling their remit again. Doubt it will happen though as it’s clear certain board members are enjoying their cozy relationship too much and will do anything to protect that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:00:21
Quote from: Cowley38
Some will get very upset!!

you do realise he was trying to protect you don't you?

honestly seen people on the verge of court action for less.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:04:42
Now now don't call Sweet Clem a crook!!

Some will get very upset!!

As Batch just said, I think there’s just some decent people pointing out that referring to somebody as a crook in the public domain might not be wise and that some have been stung for that in the past. I say this as somebody with no dog in this particular online battle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:06:10
So.. do I need to come out of retirement for a storming of the boardroom again or not

Yeo... Names familiar...

I thought that was flammableBen


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:08:54
So.. do I need to come out of retirement for a storming of the boardroom again or not

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:09:05
As Batch just said, I think there’s just some decent people pointing out that referring to somebody as a crook in the public domain might not be wise and that some have been stung for that in the past. I say this as somebody with no dog in this particular online battle.

Honestly, quite some time ago the Coventry City chairman nearly took the admin of one of their forums to court for calling him a shyster.

Then one or two had a knock on the door regarding posts on here about diamond Mike.

Not saying either will happen, but don't think it can't


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:10:57
I'm seeing fans on social media who, even until the very end, backed Lee Power who are now doing the same thing with Clem.

I can't for the life of me understand what needs to happen for this section of our fan base to wake up. Is it relegation to the national league? because that's where we're currently heading unless things change. Maybe not this season, but maybe the next or the one after.

Actions speak louder than words. Trying to deceive fans with the shares was the final straw for me. It doesn't mean I'm Clem out, but it certainly does mean I don't believe anything he says anymore. Therefore, I'll judge him by the actions of the club and how it operates on a day to day basis rather than clinging onto the words of a desperate man with a reputation of lying repeatedly.

The reason posters like Chalky are losing the plot is because they've seen us nearly lose our club and instead of learning from it, many of our fans are yet again burying their heads in the sand and choosing to give yet another owner the benefit of the doubt. We have to do better. Please please please stop making excuses for this man and just see this for what it is. It's staring you all right in the face.

I missed this earlier. This is a really good post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:11:52
Honestly, quite some time ago the Coventry City chairman nearly took the admin of one of their forums to court for calling him a shyster.

Then one or two had a knock on the door regarding posts on here about diamond Mike.

Not saying either will happen, but don't think it can't
Ben Lambert’s primary job under Diamandis was to send us all threatening emails with regards to posts on here and TUMDFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:12:57
On the subject of the Trust, 24+ hours on and still nothing from them I see. How pointless are the they now as an organisation. Even with all this going on they’ve not said a word but previously any time anyone dared question their darling Morfuni board members were straight on here to defend him. They need to hold an EGM to shake up their board to regain any form of credibility. We need the Ground JV to be handed over to a standalone organisation so that the Trust can start fulfilling their remit again. Doubt it will happen though as it’s clear certain board members are enjoying their cozy relationship too much and will do anything to protect that.

You do know that they hold elections every year? So no need for an EGM, I'm not seeing anyone of the people complaining that they will stand, so I'm not sure what the point of it would be, unless you want to?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:16:28
You do know that they hold elections every year? So no need for an EGM, I'm not seeing anyone of the people complaining that they will stand, so I'm not sure what the point of it would be, unless you want to?
March is a long time to go with zero credibility…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:17:45
March is a long time to go with zero credibility…

According to you they haven't had credibility for years, so what's a few more months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:18:09
The difficulty with the Trust I imagine is that it is a board situation - Steve Mytton or whoever else can't just release a statement off his own back, it needs to be agreed between the whole board (or at least voted on). I'm sure there are some.board members who are in different places at the moment with regards to what they do and don't want to say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:19:07
On the subject of the Trust, 24+ hours on and still nothing from them I see. How pointless are the they now as an organisation. Even with all this going on they’ve not said a word but previously any time anyone dared question their darling Morfuni board members were straight on here to defend him. They need to hold an EGM to shake up their board to regain any form of credibility. We need the Ground JV to be handed over to a standalone organisation so that the Trust can start fulfilling their remit again. Doubt it will happen though as it’s clear certain board members are enjoying their cozy relationship too much and will do anything to protect that.


They were silent for too long after no follow up on the promised look at the books. Its way past that now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:19:58
Transparency that’s what we want!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:22:42
According to you they haven't had credibility for years, so what's a few more months.
Not since they made their bed with an owner rather than fulfil their remit. If you honestly think they haven’t put themselves in a position where they currently have zero credibility when it comes to the prospect of asking the difficult questions then I’m lost for words to be honest. They were supposed to see some accounts as per previous form that’s all gone quiet and they won’t even answer questions with regards to that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:28:50
Not since they made their bed with an owner rather than fulfil their remit. If you honestly think they haven’t put themselves in a position where they currently have zero credibility when it comes to the prospect of asking the difficult questions then I’m lost for words to be honest. They were supposed to see some accounts as per previous form that’s all gone quiet and they won’t even answer questions with regards to that.

I'm not sure I gave my view, I just stated what I thought your opinion has been...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:29:27
I'm not sure I gave my view, I just stated what I thought your opinion has been...

Please do: What is your view?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:31:00
The difficulty with the Trust I imagine is that it is a board situation - Steve Mytton or whoever else can't just release a statement off his own back, it needs to be agreed between the whole board (or at least voted on). I'm sure there are some.board members who are in different places at the moment with regards to what they do and don't want to say.

As much division there as there is here wouldn't surprise me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:34:28
Please do: What is your view?

If I wanted to express my opinion then I would.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:38:49
If I wanted to express my opinion then I would.

Fair enough. A bit odd to take a pop at everyone else's but hey, it's the internet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:39:10
As Batch just said, I think there’s just some decent people pointing out that referring to somebody as a crook in the public domain might not be wise and that some have been stung for that in the past. I say this as somebody with no dog in this particular online battle.

Qunk you are one of the biggest crooks in the fan base


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:39:51
If I wanted to express my opinion then I would.

So you expect everyone else who has any criticisms on here to run for the Trust board or shut up but sharing your own personal view on a internet forum is a stretch too far for you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:42:51
If I wanted to express my opinion then I would.

What is your opinion on the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:54:27
Genuine question.

Why not Get a TEF member to apply for a place on the Trust board. All the snarky comments need to stop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:55:57
Genuine question.

Why not Get a TEF member to apply for a place on the Trust board. All the snarky comments need to stop.

I don’t think many would want to do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:57:38
Genuine question.

Why not Get a TEF member to apply for a place on the Trust board. All the snarky comments need to stop.

I mean… we had one until recently!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:02:00
We still do, Former Drummer Boy is on the board. Not a regular poster but does post. Think a few of the others have accounts too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:05:19
JanTheMan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:07:08
JanTheMan

He’s Clems puppet though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:11:55
He’s Clems puppet though.

And gone very quiet recently😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:13:57
Anyone watch Ryan Whelan's twitter space?

Haven't myself, just wondering if there was anything interesting coming out of it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:18:26
Im listening to it, they seem to think this is just the tip of the iceberg over the next few weeks with more stuff coming out

Have had reports of other goings on, going to validate sources etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:21:28
Im listening to it, they seem to think this is just the tip of the iceberg over the next few weeks with more stuff coming out

 Have had reports of other goings on, going to validate sources etc

I really do hope it all comes out, the more that does the quicker this shit show should be over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:22:11
And gone very quiet recently😁

He exited stage left from here as the proverbial was about to hit the fan it seems. Interesting timing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:23:39
I really do hope it all comes out, the more that does the quicker this shit show should be over.
Same. Everything needs to come out now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:28:58
I'm listening. Wasn't expecting much but it's been quite decent actually.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 20:47:55
So you expect everyone else who has any criticisms on here to run for the Trust board or shut up but sharing your own personal view on a internet forum is a stretch too far for you.

I'm just sharing a way for some one to help the Trust to correct all the errors they are seeing.  In fact I commented on someone calling for an EGM and pointing out what's the point unless some one with those views is elected.

It's a forum you can say what you want or not say. If you don't like it, oh well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:00:13
Their talk around finances were a bit sketchy but otherwise good listen

I was looking at that, back in the first advisory board the debt was thought to be circa 4m.

Add in the debenture and the stated debt position now isn't far off.

I've not really been one to shout "where's the money going", but they have a point in 6.5m turnover generating losses of 500k-1m.

it would make sense if we were using it to pay off the inherited debt + players + staff + ground maintenance. But it's not the case is it, because debt is a liability owed to Clem as he has put that in.

Now what I'm not saying is anything dodgy is going on. More that I need help squaring it - even ballpark.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:08:21
Which is why the AB minutes dont really tell the true story. It indicates debts being written down but not how or from what source of income.

Remember the Power years when people were demanding full transparent accounts to be provided so we could see the ins and outs? That’s what we need now. If the Trust were promised a peek and that hadn’t happened you have take the opinion that there’s something to hide. Is there a date whereby the latest accounts have to be lodged?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:15:00
No I get that, but I don't expect it.

But in absence of them I can't make any case based off even educated ballpark figures.

What I was hoping for was someone to point out something obvious, like revenue includes so and so and isn't really 6m into the account.

Actually, maybe it included the cash Clem put in, it could be that simple


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:25:39
No I get that, but I don't expect it.

But in absence of them I can't make any case based off even educated ballpark figures.

What I was hoping for was someone to point out something obvious, like revenue includes so and so and isn't really 6m into the account.

Actually, maybe it included the cash Clem put in, it could be that simple

No that wouldn't be classed as turnover, the thing to do is to use other clubs accounts and try to make sense.


 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:27:13
That's an extremely sensible suggestion. It'll have to wait until later in the week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:46:04
What are you looking for Batch?  Our accounts for 21/22 are the last available, the 22/23 ones won't be posted until Feb/Mar time I think, so we have a while to wait, and they are always so far in arrears anyone can make a claim about them not reflecting the here and now.

Clem paying debts would not hit the P&L.  It would be shown within the Balance Sheet - on the last ones produced it shows Clem has Director Loans as well as a loan he has made via the Axis funding company (so it's still him for now, unless he ever sold that business).

We have no insight in how the 2.9m Debenture was resolved, in terms of the precise nature of who gave what, what the terms of repayment were, or if it was a simple equity transaction.

The accounts we did produce showed a small Profit, which plenty of people identify as the Man City game, but that would still place us at running around break even if we removed it.

Clem and others have had to pay off debts, on top of running a club that (the only evidence available shows) runs at break even.  It's entirely possible that Clem sees that as losing money each year, because he has to keep putting in cash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 21:49:20
Just did a random look at Tranmere’s accounts for 21/22. They did £5.5m in revenue on 6.5k attendances, knocked out of the EFL cup 1st round and FA cup 2nd round. They did however have a £1m grant in extra income.

They had the 4th biggest wage bill that season and only made a loss of £160k.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 22:24:17
@rob - I guess I've seen a lot of "it doesn't add up" messages on social media and kind of wanted to prove it did.

But I guess there's to many unknowns.

@teashbat thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 22:33:50
We don't publish anywhere near enough detail to make it all make sense!  Less open and more closed, when it comes to providing financial information I'm afraid, more opaque, less transparent.

In terms of pure income, based on what we have for 21/22, we look like we are one of the big clubs for this Division.  In terms of wage budgets, it's really tough, but we spend as much (in total, as a business) as some of the clubs who people would call out as running at losses or being bank rolled, like a FGR for example.

Our 21/22 finances were a smidge better than Northampton, who got close to our income thanks to player sales of 800k.  They made a loss of a little under 200k, so spent close to our level in that year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 22:37:45
Exeter City spent as much as we did in 21/22, which was supported by player sales.

They provide a breakdown of where the income comes from in their accounts.  Just stating because it shows more detail can be provided, it's all a choice by the business owner around how much insight they provide.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 22:43:04
https://www.weareimps.com/siteassets/news/202223/january/accounts/lcfc-annual-financial-statement--summary.pdf

Can only dream of something like that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 23:06:46
Interestingly, they are part owned by fans and have funded the yearly losses by issuing new shares each year, so they owe next to nothing in debt to anyone.

Given Clem has already diluted his share holding, there would be nothing stopping him doing similar.  I've mentioned before that the Trust should be doing only two things from now - the JV and then coming up with an investment option for the club itself.  That could be a good old bucket rattling effort, or seeking out investors to partner with.  Push Clem into the open on whether he would accept others being onboard to help.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 07:21:40
I just reread the statement and the bit about the January Transfer window just sounds a bit odd to me.

'I have been having discussions with Michael Flynn and Jamie Russell regarding strengthening our squad in the January transfer window, which I will personally be overviewing.

I will be there in January to support the hard work between Michael Flynn, Wayne Hatswell, Jamie Russell & Anthony Hall.'

What football expertise does Clem have that he needs to be overviewing the transfer process? I'm not really sure his presence is really needed for this is it? If he's so keen to be open and transparent and he is in Swindon in January, why not setup another fans forum at the ground so he can personally face fans questioning.

A minor point in what's going on but there we are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, November 6, 2023, 07:36:31
I thought this was odd also. No experience whatsoever


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Monday, November 6, 2023, 07:36:53
Inflation has been circa 10% and if I had to guess, L2 player wages a bigger increase than that. This is pretty significant cost increase not covered by an equivalent increase in income.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Monday, November 6, 2023, 07:40:40
I just reread the statement and the bit about the January Transfer window just sounds a bit odd to me.

'I have been having discussions with Michael Flynn and Jamie Russell regarding strengthening our squad in the January transfer window, which I will personally be overviewing.

I will be there in January to support the hard work between Michael Flynn, Wayne Hatswell, Jamie Russell & Anthony Hall.'

What football expertise does Clem have that he needs to be overviewing the transfer process? I'm not really sure his presence is really needed for this is it? If he's so keen to be open and transparent and he is in Swindon in January, why not setup another fans forum at the ground so he can personally face fans questioning.

A minor point in what's going on but there we are.
I agree, very odd. My interpretation is he is here for the financial side of negotiating, in case some additional capital is required he can make those executive decisions more quickly. Sounds silly now I've typed it out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:01:30
I just reread the statement and the bit about the January Transfer window just sounds a bit odd to me.

'I have been having discussions with Michael Flynn and Jamie Russell regarding strengthening our squad in the January transfer window, which I will personally be overviewing.

I will be there in January to support the hard work between Michael Flynn, Wayne Hatswell, Jamie Russell & Anthony Hall.'

What football expertise does Clem have that he needs to be overviewing the transfer process? I'm not really sure his presence is really needed for this is it? If he's so keen to be open and transparent and he is in Swindon in January, why not setup another fans forum at the ground so he can personally face fans questioning.

A minor point in what's going on but there we are.

Surely as the owner and what is effectively his money - Clem needs to be part of the negotiations / approve / agree the deals / contracts.

I mean leaving the responsibility of your money in someone else’s hands doesn’t always go well; just ask Andrew Black.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:05:48
I thought we had a head of recruitment? Isnt that his job, Clem just signs it off?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:12:35
Step back from the statement. That was a hastily cobbled together sticking plaster job. The bottom line is there are real problems and they will leak out eventually. As they already are. As fans there are two options. Support with your money or not support. At our level owners no matter how well intentioned or not will like all businesses in trouble limp along until sold.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:37:50
The LS Pod (Clem) "part 4" is an interesting listen. Unconfirmed/rumour/wahatever/sourced -whatever  you want to call it - is that the first team were paid on time but that other staff may have been paid late.

Which would make sense of the statement and an earlier comment here that "late" player wages has a tight definition.

But what really piqued my interest was the musings maybe there is a bit of an internal war going on between Clem and whoever else is invested in the club.

You'd need to listen to see what they are getting at. But it would make sense of what feels (to me) like a defunding of the club.

Anyway that's just speculaiton.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:49:21
Good listen, if you can call it that. I hadn’t considered the possibility that Morfuni and the shadow board were at loggerheads. That does dampen my enthusiasm that we’re on the brink of sale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:52:14
A sale is going to be hard given all of the parties that have skin in the game. A lot of people want 'their' slice, which is why I imagine ludicrous figures are being bandied around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:53:17
Excellent from the LSPOD again, consistently been on the money and providing good coverage of events


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:54:56
I just reread the statement and the bit about the January Transfer window just sounds a bit odd to me.

'I have been having discussions with Michael Flynn and Jamie Russell regarding strengthening our squad in the January transfer window, which I will personally be overviewing.

I will be there in January to support the hard work between Michael Flynn, Wayne Hatswell, Jamie Russell & Anthony Hall.'

What football expertise does Clem have that he needs to be overviewing the transfer process? I'm not really sure his presence is really needed for this is it? If he's so keen to be open and transparent and he is in Swindon in January, why not setup another fans forum at the ground so he can personally face fans questioning.

A minor point in what's going on but there we are.

Hopefully he’s here to sell the club. Throwaway comment. Morfuni couldn’t tell the difference between a striker and a goalkeeper, so safe to say he’s not coming to give Flynn tactical insight.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 6, 2023, 08:55:49
Good listen, if you can call it that. I hadn’t considered the possibility that Morfuni and the shadow board were at loggerheads. That does dampen my enthusiasm that we’re on the brink of sale.


And whose fault is that...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:14:52
And we are still yet to know whether Kiely and Parladorio have pre-emption rights which could scupper any real sale process. Clem didn't even know at the last phone-in, unless he was playing the fool once again.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:16:44
Inflation has been circa 10% and if I had to guess, L2 player wages a bigger increase than that. This is pretty significant cost increase not covered by an equivalent increase in income.

Ticket prices went up around 10% for this season.......


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:20:04
Clem's transfer window last year was superb, signed Austin under the nose of the then manager and Technical Director, lost that manager to Crawley while others ghosted out three players for peanuts - got Cain in and needed Morris to beg for Kadji as a favour when Malachi Fagan-Woolcott's paperwork got fudged.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:22:08
I’m still none the wiser who is pro-sale and who is anti-sale in the imaginary boardroom. It appears there is disagreement and leaks, but don’t know who wants out, and who intends to stick around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:27:09
Ticket prices went up around 10% for this season.......

£27 for League 2 is an absolute joke too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:28:51
I can imagine clem overseeing the Jan transfer window might make communication / approvals a slicker process. Trouble is, I doubt they'll be the deals we need/want/expect


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:31:29
I’m still none the wiser who is pro-sale and who is anti-sale in the imaginary boardroom. It appears there is disagreement and leaks, but don’t know who wants out, and who intends to stick around.
Started the morning being like it's fine, Clem holds the legal majority so can sell his whatever percent it is now no problem, then realised we have zero idea of pre-emption rights and it can be summer 2021 all over again.

Whelan has confirmed he has received death threats as well now. This whole situation has just gotten so messy and we really really do deserve a clean break from it all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:36:08
Any reference to anyone at the club being a crook will be deleted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:41:07
JJ is a crook and is taking money from the TEF!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:43:04
JJ is a crook and is taking money from the TEF!
I wish there was any money to be taken!


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:45:59
JJ is a crook and is taking money from the TEF!
That would explain why this place has gone to the mongs. I trust an incoherent statement will be forthcoming.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:47:42
Do we hear from the Trust today?

No need to reply if your reply is "tHeY ARe VoLUNteeRS"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:51:34
Bottom line. If the club was cleared out and ran as a normal business with no, ahem, strange outgoings, would it be viable. Would income cover outgoings?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:56:44
Did we not in Clem's inaugural season?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 6, 2023, 09:57:38
Did we not in Clem's inaugural season?

We did (just) but also did have the FA Cup run at Man City at home. However, if we are saving money on rent due to the JV - that should cancel out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:01:31
We did (just) but also did have the FA Cup run at Man City at home. However, if we are saving money on rent due to the JV - that should cancel out?

Or thereabouts, you'd think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:05:32
We did (just) but also did have the FA Cup run at Man City at home. However, if we are saving money on rent due to the JV - that should cancel out?
Yes but in the 2nd season we had extra transfer fee income from Garner and Lindseys departures, Gladwin, Reed and a substantial fee for McKirdy as well as the City cup game, add to that the Twine sell on which was susbstantial.

This season we gained a fee for Wakeling, Iandolo, Darcy and Lavinier already too, which must go some way to paying off any shortfall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:09:45
Hearing Rich reading out the Clem statement is quite something. Absolute unvarnished nonsense. The wikipedia entry that was the section on the history of insolvency in football is astonishing bullshit. Laughable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:11:57
Yes but in the 2nd season we had extra transfer fee income from Garner and Lindseys departures, Gladwin, Reed and a substantial fee for McKirdy as well as the City cup game.

This season we gained a fee for Iandolo, Darcy and Lavinier already too, which must go some way to paying off any shortfall.

And Wakeling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:12:32
Yes but in the 2nd season we had extra transfer fee income from Garner and Lindseys departures, Gladwin, Reed and a substantial fee for McKirdy as well as the City cup game.

This season we gained a fee for Iandolo, Darcy and Lavinier already too, which must go some way to paying off any shortfall.
I’ve said it before but we need to understand what the £2.4m admin expenses line in the accounts includes. It’s a big figure and increased by almost £1m between 2021 and 2022 accounts. Admin expenses was the method used by Diamandis to siphon money out of the club, not saying that’s happening here but it is a big and ambiguous lump of money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:15:24
And Wakeling.
Ah yes I forgot him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:17:04
So, in ‘normal’ trading were just about fine. We can pay wages, usual month to month bills, utilities, VAT, HMRC etc.

Cup ties, player sales would be the icing on top.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:25:05
Let’s not forget player sales will hardly ever be the entire fee upfront.
Hypothetically we might get more for Wakeling next season…

Same as signing players / paying off managers I suppose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:29:49
Let’s not forget player sales will hardly ever be the entire fee upfront.
Hypothetically we might get more for Wakeling next season…

Same as signing players / paying off managers I suppose.

Clem has already borrowed against future transfer payments.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:30:15
Let’s not forget player sales will hardly ever be the entire fee upfront.
Hypothetically we might get more for Wakeling next season…

Same as signing players / paying off managers I suppose.

Usually true but I seem to remember a article coming out about us signing up to something where we get the full fee up front from another company and send the future transfer payments we get from the buying club to that company or something like that.

I’m not sure of the exact details so could have that wrong but do seem to remember it being addressed on the radio as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:31:28
Is it conceivable that we end up with two concurrent ownership court cases?

Power vs Standing
Clem vs Standing/Britain’s Most Wanted/Wives of Wiltshire

It’s a fucking nightmare scenario.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:36:06
Usually true but I seem to remember a article coming out about us signing up to something where we get the full fee up front from another company and send the future transfer payments we get from the buying club to that company or something like that.

I’m not sure of the exact details so could have that wrong but do seem to remember it being addressed on the radio as well.
That's it. Definitely the case for some deal(s) that Angus confirmed. Is listed down as a charge on companies house.

Which again puts a further spotlight on cashflow issues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Benzel on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:36:41
I am so over supporting this fucking club. Sick of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:43:15
That's it. Definitely the case for some deal(s) that Angus confirmed. Is listed down as a charge on companies house.

Which again puts a further spotlight on cashflow issues.

Think they ''factored'' Scott Twine's money - or some of it anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, November 6, 2023, 10:47:09
I am so over supporting this fucking club. Sick of it.
This is where I'm at as well, so indifferent and ambivalent to it now. Absolutely desperate for a clean start.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:10:39
Got to differentiate between the club and the owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:13:16
I honestly think this feels worse than Power now. The Trust absolutely absent and compromised, Power never got his hands on the ground, months until January with a playing squad on their knees, staff not being paid (don't think that happened until the denouement with LP did it?), ownership arguably more tangled than ever, sinking any hope of a swift takeover. He remains the worst owner in our history (for now...) but Power was at least 'football savvy.' Clem seemingly isn't good at... anything. It really is end of days stuff. I'm fearful for the future of the club. We should absolutely never have entered into a labyrinthine ground agreement with Clem Morfuni and that isn't said as Captain Hindsight. It stank that it was considered with Power and it is no less of a mistake that we've done it with Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:16:25
Clem vs Standing/Britain’s Most Wanted/Wives of Wiltshire

How did you come to this conclusion.

1. It based on guesswork and theory
2. The right hand side don't legally own the club and no claim by anybody has been made to the contrary. I can't see Clem claiming otherwise


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:18:17
I honestly think this feels worse than Power now.

I wouldn't go that far, we can still get out of this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:19:37
How did you come to this conclusion.

1. It based on guesswork and theory
2. The right hand side don't legally own the club and no claim by anybody has been made to the contrary. I can't see Clem claiming otherwise

Sorry, not a conclusion, I've posed a question, is it possible?

Standing never legally owned the club and yet there's a court case there, so it doesn't seem impossible we see one again, does it? And the Wives of Wiltshire do legally own part of the club and may well have pre-emption rights in the event of a sale as I understand it. It is not quite apples with apples with the Power endgame but doesn't seem far off it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:26:42
The Advisory Board should be fun this month - it's happening this week isn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:28:51
I really do hope it all comes out, the more that does the quicker this shit show should be over.

This.

Just take what is coming and get on with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:29:56

I've not really been one to shout "where's the money going", but they have a point in 6.5m turnover generating losses of 500k-1m.

it would make sense if we were using it to pay off the inherited debt + players + staff + ground maintenance. But it's not the case is it, because debt is a liability owed to Clem as he has put that in.

Now what I'm not saying is anything dodgy is going on. More that I need help squaring it - even ballpark.

Probably no surprise to anyone, but I am.

It doesn't add up and it stinks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:33:46
So Clem is no longer the squeaky clean savour?!

Think he needs to get his advertising van back on the road.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:38:06
The LS Pod (Clem) "part 4" is an interesting listen. Unconfirmed/rumour/wahatever/sourced -whatever  you want to call it - is that the first team were paid on time but that other staff may have been paid late.

Which would make sense of the statement and an earlier comment here that "late" player wages has a tight definition.

But what really piqued my interest was the musings maybe there is a bit of an internal war going on between Clem and whoever else is invested in the club.

You'd need to listen to see what they are getting at. But it would make sense of what feels (to me) like a defunding of the club.

Anyway that's just speculaiton.



Sounds like anyone brought in to provide funds or additional investment ends up owning the club. Jed to Power, Power to Clem, Clem to....Kiely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:41:04

Whelan has confirmed he has received death threats as well now. This whole situation has just gotten so messy and we really really do deserve a clean break from it all.

Christ.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:41:27
Sounds like anyone brought in to provide funds or additional investment ends up owning the club. Jed to Power, Power to Clem, Clem to....Kiely?
Pass the parcel STFC style.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:43:24
Christ.
Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves over shit like this, twats.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:45:33
Sounds like anyone brought in to provide funds or additional investment ends up owning the club. Jed to Power, Power to Clem, Clem to....Kiely?

Game of Cronies.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Benzel on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:48:13
Got to differentiate between the club and the owners.
OK so when this club gets yet another shit owner, then what?

This club attracts nothing good and the one time it did, we ended up fucking that up as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:53:46
Sounds like anyone brought in to provide funds or additional investment ends up owning the club. Jed to Power, Power to Clem, Clem to....Kiely?
Sounds like anyone brought in to provide funds or additional investment ends up owning the club. Jed to Power, Power to Clem, Clem to....Kiely?
We need Paul Chuckle for some stability! Without Barry, its just 'To me...To me...To me!'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:55:09
Makes you want to invest a few grand and see if you somehow manage to own the club a few years later by default.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 11:57:03
Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves over shit like this, twats.

Who is it though? Guessing it has to be someone on Clems side not happy with what is being reported?

Is it a Britains most wanted thug or just an over excitable happy clapper that doesn't like the negativity?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:03:08
Who is it though? Guessing it has to be someone on Clems side not happy with what is being reported?

Is it a Britains most wanted thug or just an over excitable happy clapper that doesn't like the negativity?
Thats a good point, I guess only Whelan and the threatening party(ies) that will know for sure.

I hope Whelan informs the Police on this though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:06:10
Who are the 'backers' do we think? Clem + Kiely are the ones we see listed at companies house
I guess after those two it's speculation.. I don't understand why Zav hangs around so much - is anything owned to him? It's more to it than a free VIP season ticket, right?
And what about Standing? Gut feeling is we're going to hear more about him whichever way the court case goes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:14:57
Whelan has confirmed he has received death threats as well now.

Its not worth it for him. Walk away. Could be trolls, could be properly unsavory characters.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:17:10
Its not worth it for him. Walk away. Could be trolls, could be properly unsavory characters.



Given his 'jokey' demenour about it on Twitter I'm not entirely sure he's taking it seriously. I had a chuckle flicking through some of the comments on Facebook. A lot of the fans there seem to think Whelan is basically shit-stirring and making a load of stuff up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: blinkpip on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:19:12
Whelan the only one willing to speak up at the moment. Top man.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:19:38
Who is it though? Guessing it has to be someone on Clems side not happy with what is being reported?

Is it a Britains most wanted thug or just an over excitable happy clapper that doesn't like the negativity?

I saw him mention last night that STFCBoo (who apparently is a member of the ground staff) had sent quite a few unsavory messages to him previously. No mention at that point of them being death threats though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:20:51
I saw him mention last night that STFCBoo (who apparently is a member of the ground staff) had sent quite a few unsavory messages to him previously. No mention at that point of them being death threats though.

That lad is very defensive of Clem. I always wondered if his transfer teasers were genuine or not and given he's an employee that explains it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:36:09
I saw him mention last night that STFCBoo (who apparently is a member of the ground staff) had sent quite a few unsavory messages to him previously. No mention at that point of them being death threats though.
I understand Boo is a steward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:37:37
Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves over shit like this, twats.

…..and a further reminder to posters on here who you are dealing with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:41:12
But hopefully it's all a keyboard warrior troll


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:42:17
And we are still yet to know whether Kiely and Parladorio have pre-emption rights which could scupper any real sale process. Clem didn't even know at the last phone-in, unless he was playing the fool once again.



The Articles and Memorandum of Association for the business were changed at the time the Debenture was paid off, with pre-emption rights now included.  It doesn't describe values/numbers etc, but it does give any other existing shareholder first dibs in the event another tries to sell theirs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:43:01
Threatening reporters is straight out of the ITK Gloal playbook before the shit hit the fan in boxing and they went caput.

Where is that Swindon coat Adam Hart had their logo printed on for one of his boxers?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:45:59
I understand Boo is a steward.
Could well be, I just saw someone say he forks the pitch at HT.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 13:26:05
OK so when this club gets yet another shit owner, then what?

This club attracts nothing good and the one time it did, we ended up fucking that up as well.
What can we do about it? We’ve no say on who, or if, the club is sold to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, November 6, 2023, 14:18:31
Andrew Hawes is covering the shenanigans tonight at 6pm on BBC Wilts. I wonder if Kieran Maguire will be making a guest appearance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, November 6, 2023, 14:27:41
Fed up of the club being pass the parcel between terrible owners. When will it stop?

I'm genuinely amazed at the gates we get.

The statement has quick cover up written all over it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 14:40:12
Fed up of the club being pass the parcel between terrible owners. When will it stop?

I'm genuinely amazed at the gates we get.

The statement has quick cover up written all over it.

I think this was luck - Covid rebound (pent up demand to watch games) and a new owner coincided to give a feel good/need to see the team feel.  One of Clem's successes really, that he converted that to Season Ticket sales, achieving the highest numbers beyond Fitton's chase for 6k and the Premier League I imagine.  On the plus side, that creates sticky customers, who likely attend most matches and spend money at the game - problem there is that Catering contract and the fact these would otherwise have been walk-ups with higher per match revenue.  Overall, I think it was a win - the number of individual match purchases would likely have suffered last season and drifted into this one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 6, 2023, 14:50:49
Fed up of the club being pass the parcel between terrible owners. When will it stop?

I'm genuinely amazed at the gates we get.

The statement has quick cover up written all over it.

I bought Clem’s BS at the time as I’m sure many will have. I’m not giving any more money to the club if I can avoid it. Too many lies for me but respect people (my old man included) who will continue to support no matter the circumstances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:23:51
I suspect that it wasn't BS or an act at the time.

Possibly a case that the reality of running a football has dawned on him big time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:28:09
I suspect that it wasn't BS or an act at the time.

Possibly a case that the reality of running a football has dawned on him big time.

Plus ever increasing pressure from his silent partners to deliver returns...?

I don't doubt that Clem isn't enjoying this anymore but it could only ever have ended in tears. It was inevitable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:29:05
I suspect that it wasn't BS or an act at the time.

Possibly a case that the reality of running a football has dawned on him big time.

Worrying if he didn't know what he was getting into given that he was a shareholder for a good period of time and many football clubs ran at a lost, it shouldn't have come as a surprise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:32:55
I suspect that it wasn't BS or an act at the time.

Possibly a case that the reality of running a football has dawned on him big time.

I actually do think there has always been a degree of BS from Clem.  I cannot buy into a narrative that he invested 1.15m into the club and then stuck around for 4 years as a non-exec Director who was going to be responsible for developing the ground without gaining any insight into the business and characters involved.  He is not stupid - he got into a fight with Power to force the shares being issued in his name, which gave him the right to buy the club a number of months later.  His entire shtick when he took over was some sort of breath of fresh air, as if being brand new to the place, and he plays dumb quite well on some of the legacy issues.  No way he didn't know much of it, and the company he keeps is hardly squeaky clean.

Don't know that I think he is a wrong-un, just not that wet behind the ears that he didn't know precisely what he was doing or trying to do.  I don't think his intentions are nefarious, I just also don't think they are altruistic in any way shape or form.  he is part of a crew all trying to protect their little bit of the club/interests/investments etc.  He says what he thinks needs to be said in public - if you look at his interviews from 4 years+ ago, they are essentially the same as they have been since taking over, in terms of reason for being involved and plans etc.  None of it delivered, either with Power or after Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:44:59
Yeah, fair points JoeMezz & RobT, probably not far from the reality.

I had the impression that Clem was pretty much frozen out by Power in terms of access to the inner sanctum.
Maybe that was only the case once it became apparent that it was all going to kick off over the share transfer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:52:10
If you coughed up £1.15m and 4 years later still hadn’t received the legal ownership of shares, alarm bells would have been ringing way before it all came to a head.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:54:32
Back to square one with me with all of this.
Fucking hate this basket case of a football club. It’s shit and at this moment in time wish I could just kick it in the long grass and walk away.

It doesn’t help the individuals that we have within the Club, problem is now I tarnish Clem in the same way. Hope to be proved wrong but just not sitting comfortable with any of it.
Fear the worse, although been here before.

Just wish we could have a fresh start without any of this bullshit baggage.

A new low for me on the field Saturday - the worst in my entire near on 50 years supporting this shite.
That was unacceptable but I stayed to the end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 15:57:30
I mean, the Catering deal seems to be the new bogeyman, this one:

https://www.thecaterer.com/news/foodservice/lindley-wins-13m-swindon-town-fc-stadium-catering-deal

Public knowledge, with Press Releases at the time and on the books for 4 years before Clem showed up I think (it was 2017? or was it 2018?).

It would have been due up this year, but Clem decided to rip it up two years ago and bring it in-house, which is why Centreplate (who acquired Lindley) took up the Winding-Up order petition against the club, because they were kicked out I presume.  Unable to earn their income.  I mean, it may be a pain in the arse, but it is not from a new and unknown boot kicking it.

Things like that are not the reason a business runs out of cash - at least not unknowingly.  He would have been well aware of the situation for years.  They've been adding it to the AB minutes for ages.

Now, a cynic would suggest Clem chanced his arm here - ripped up the contract and tried to get some cash through the door while they played legal hardball.  Given some of the other stuff we have done, and the people involved, it's not an unlikely scenario.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:00:26
£1.3m a year for 10 years for the catering right?

How the fuck could they expect to make any profit out of that?

You’d think Centreplate would be glad to get out of that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:01:32
Power may have been a rogue but wasn’t one to shy away from the fans and done his fair share of interviews letting us know what was going on even if it was bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:01:51
£1.3m a year for 10 years for the catering right?

How the fuck could they expect to make any profit out of that?

It was everything,  including events held at the CG.  So matchday concessions, Hospitality, your Uncle Brian's 70th birthday and so on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:04:54
Power may have been a rogue but wasn’t one to shy away from the fans and done his fair share of interviews letting us know what was going on even if it was bullshit.

Power had more front than Blackpool. It was sad that Hodgetts just let him speak drivel unchallenged.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:06:04
And how much of that happened. Events?

Being generous and say we averaged 9000 every game during that 10 year period would mean just over 2 million people through the turnstiles. Every one of those would have to spend £5 every game and that still wouldn’t cover the £11.3m they paid - let alone make a profit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:06:04
I mean, the Catering deal seems to be the new bogeyman, this one:

https://www.thecaterer.com/news/foodservice/lindley-wins-13m-swindon-town-fc-stadium-catering-deal

The catering deal dispute is in the AB minutes month 1. So yes, a calculated move, though they may have thought it null and void at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:06:54
Power had more front than Blackpool. It was sad that Hodgetts just let him speak drivel unchallenged.

At this moment it would be nice to hear Clem talk a load of drivel rather read what his PA wrote for him😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:07:38
Do we presume Clem reads the TEF?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:07:53
At this moment it would be nice to hear Clem talk a load of drivel rather read what his PA wrote for him😁

We had his drivel with Vic not long ago. The sweary one. He was less slick that Our Man in Switzerland.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:08:48
We had his drivel with Vic not long ago. The sweary one. He was less slick that Our Man in Switzerland.

Was that before the latest revelations🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:10:30
Do we presume Clem reads the TEF?

Maybe, when he’s not pouring pints in the county ground or driving around in a van!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:10:45
And how much of that happened. Events?

Being generous and say we averaged 9000 every game during that 10 year period would mean just over 2 million people through the turnstiles. Every one of those would have to spend £5 every game and that still wouldn’t cover the £11.3m they paid - let alone make a profit.

Here is the joint PR
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2013/june/lindley-catering-deal/

It reads like that was the vlaue of the contract, not how much each party stood to gain in Net terms.

There are separate clippings available from the club at the time, pushing this in Sponsor updates, that it was worth about 4m to the club over 10 years.  It would have ran out in May 2023 if left to run it's course.  From the AB minutes and the fact we trumpeted the catering coming in house when Clem took over, we must owe them a few years worth of whatever we agreed.  Either thats money we owe them directly, or money they claim they were cut off from.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:13:21
Sounds like big bucks for the club. Is that sort of money normal for a club of our size or do most clubs keep it in-house.

I suppose money up front for Power to squirrel away was always tempting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:17:56
It was Jed wasn't it?

Around the same time people were being mocked for saying he was asset stripping and leased Mercedes were perfectly normal.

Probably the same ones now in Switzerland.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:21:59
It was Fitton - the original deal was a smaller one, being a provider of services.  Jed and Co extended it a year early and expanded it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 16:27:41
Ultimately, the point is - it was a known contract.  Clem took action knowing of it's existence - he may have believed he had a way out, that he could probably lump it on Power breaking the contract during Covid, or at least gamble it all worked out.

At the end of the day, it was all known about - it's not the direct cause of running out of money in November 2023.  It's just a good one to lay blame at, along with the office lease that just appeared in the AB minutes and the car lease with Mercedes, neither of which will be millions of pounds, and neither of which we were bloody paying anyway, as we were disputing them all.  If they all forced our hands to pay-up in October, then we've had it coming the entire two year period.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 17:49:23
I made the mistake of looking at page 1 of this thread (I started the wretched thing!!) which was posted to celebrate getting Power out and Clem in. It hasn't gone brilliantly has it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 17:54:01
Rob Angus and Greg Norman going were pretty clear harbingers...

That the Clem Cultists can't see any of this terrifies me. The Facebook group... wow. The "Great statement from Clem" brigade.

I'm understand people who say "I've seen it all, don't care, what will be will be, I just enjoy it" but the proper Clem nutters are scary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 17:59:48
Rob Angus and Greg Norman going were pretty clear harbingers...

That the Clem Cultists can't see any of this terrifies me. The Facebook group... wow. The "Great statement from Clem" brigade.

I'm understand people who say "I've seen it all, don't care, what will be will be, I just enjoy it" but the proper Clem nutters are scary.

I find it quite unsettling that these people actually exist. I bet half these people have fallen for Nigerian Prince email scams before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - Fresh Start
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:04:06
I’m taking Clem at face value here, seeing as, to date, he has done exactly what he said he would do.

When you tot up all the income streams - dramatically increased with Clem taking over - I’d be fairly certain the club is more than self sufficient. What could propel us up the leagues even faster is a good cup run. Lincoln’s fortunes have been on the up off the back of 2 such runs.

Saying that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us crash and burn tomorrow. As per.
Me and my big, prophetic mouth


Title: Re: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Benzel on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:05:25
What can we do about it? We’ve no say on who, or if, the club is sold to.
Yeah, nothing. Except watch it get passed to the next goon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:13:57
So what is the latest with the catering? Last I heard was a legal dispute pending, with us now keeping all of the revenue from our kiosk sales? Is that no longer the case?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:43:35
So what is the latest with the catering? Last I heard was a legal dispute pending, with us now keeping all of the revenue from our kiosk sales? Is that no longer the case?

That it is situation - the company took over a Winding-up petition against the club, hence "legal dispute".  It seems almost certain we will end-up owing them money, just a question of how much.  Clem just seems to have used this crutch to lean on for why we had an accounting error, I mean cash flow bump, I mean didn't pay some people....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:47:59
I wonder why he felt he could just tear up the contract in the first place...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:48:34
I find it quite unsettling that these people actually exist. I bet half these people have fallen for Nigerian Prince email scams before.

Fuck. Are you saying Cathy didn't kindly leave me $67 million dollars in her will?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:50:17
That it is situation - the company took over a Winding-up petition against the club, hence "legal dispute".  It seems almost certain we will end-up owing them money, just a question of how much.  Clem just seems to have used this crutch to lean on for why we had an accounting error, I mean cash flow bump, I mean didn't pay some people....
I see. I’m clearly not alone in thinking that having a pending legal case is not the same as having a cash flow problem and if that is wha they are saying it seems like a thinly veiled fib.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 18:57:27
So I don't understand the 'not making money from contracts' bit. We've binned centerplate and brought in house - so surely this isn't the contract he's on about.

That we may owe them cash isn't really relevant
---++
Did anyone hear Hawes on the radio? Most of it he was unable to confirm re: wages late. Fair enough.

But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:05:34
So I don't understand the 'not making money from contracts' bit. We've binned centerplate and brought in house - so surely this isn't the contract he's on about.

That we may owe them cash isn't really relevant
---++
Did anyone hear Hawes on the radio? Most of it he was unable to confirm re: wages late. Fair enough.

But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.

Sigh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:07:22
So I don't understand the 'not making money from contracts' bit. We've binned centerplate and brought in house - so surely this isn't the contract he's on about.

That we may owe them cash isn't really relevant
---++
Did anyone hear Hawes on the radio? Most of it he was unable to confirm re: wages late. Fair enough.

But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.
Yeah I listened to the show too and don't believe you're misrepresenting at all, that's exactly how I heard it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:07:56
But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.

They haven’t finished cooking them yet ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:09:14
which set ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:12:15
Quote from: ThreeDrawsMentality
Yeah I listened to the show too and don't believe you're misrepresenting at all, that's exactly how I heard it.

cheers.

I think it's important the Trust take their time responding over this and recent events.

we've already had a rushed statement from the club, getting into "he said she said" tit for tat isn't going to help.

But it does need a response at some point if promises are being reneged


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:12:39
Is this Hawes episode available to listen again on iPlayer or similar?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:14:05
The Trust should also be going in with examples of what other clubs can and do provide to the public, before Clem just says he can't share the details because it's all private and confidential.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:17:46
So I don't understand the 'not making money from contracts' bit. We've binned centerplate and brought in house - so surely this isn't the contract he's on about.

That we may owe them cash isn't really relevant
---++
Did anyone hear Hawes on the radio? Most of it he was unable to confirm re: wages late. Fair enough.

But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.

I mean, that's why the statement made no sense anyway.  Those contracts have been place for years, signed when he was a non-exec director or before.  They are not hidden, so much as annoying.  26 months ago was the time to be coming up with plans to find alternative revenue streams, given any limitations.  Hence my point about any of it being directly related to a cash flow shortage in October 2023.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:22:13
So I don't understand the 'not making money from contracts' bit. We've binned centerplate and brought in house - so surely this isn't the contract he's on about.

That we may owe them cash isn't really relevant
---++
Did anyone hear Hawes on the radio? Most of it he was unable to confirm re: wages late. Fair enough.

But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.

Given how quiet the Trust have been, have they perhaps been part of a ruse where they all went into a room where the accounts were 'laid out for all to peruse' and then when the Trust members got inside the room, Zav and his band of merry men locked the door behind them, piling up furniture in front of the door so nobody could escape. Phones of course were confiscated pre-entry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, November 6, 2023, 19:23:46
The trust are just winding you up , they could easily issue a statement


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:34:26
7 weeks since this and we are hearing rumours it hasn't happened:

https://truststfc.com/2023/09/19/share-transfer-and-ownership-statement/

"The Trust will continue to hold the Club to account by working with them in a collaborative fashion as a critical friend. We will achieve far more by working together with the Club inside the building than from looking in from the outside. An example of this is Friday’s agreement to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs."

They really need to stop taking Clem at face value. Even saying "probably unheard of at other Clubs" before it had happened smacks of a cosy naivety, a degree of pride even.

I would gladly pay into the Trust if I felt it would represent my concerns and fight the fans' corner. It has been downhill since the day they agreed to get into bed with Power on the ground. They have to, as an organisation, wake up from this stupor soon, right? We are in the shit. You have to be organised and united to get through these issues as a fanbase. And I appreciate there will be conflicting views there, they are fans first, volunteers etc etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:43:38
I mean, that's why the statement made no sense anyway.  Those contracts have been place for years, signed when he was a non-exec director or before.  They are not hidden, so much as annoying.  26 months ago was the time to be coming up with plans to find alternative revenue streams, given any limitations.  Hence my point about any of it being directly related to a cash flow shortage in October 2023.

Right, but it could be other contacts like puma shirts or, um, I dunno


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:44:25
One thing I forgot, OAP meal - supporters club say they out in what the always put in. So no shortfall made up there


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:47:13
I e-mailed the Trust, after signing-up to the Share scheme, that they should present the Carlisle example to Clem and get him on public record to agree to do the same, or not.  Either way we would know if he had any interest in backing up the claims.

Not had a response, that was late September.

We have now had links to other examples, where clubs have provided very detailed summaries of their financial performance, including details on transfer incomes, sources of Revenue etc.  Nobody is expecting them to show company names and contracts, but detailed analysis is possible, as is a forward looking forecast.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:49:03
Right, but it could be other contacts like puma shirts or, um, I dunno

Again, known about when he took over and limited in length.  Everyone who buys a business is limited by the agreements in place prior to purchase.  Just fucking get on with it.  26 months after purchase, those contracts are not the direct cause of running out of money before month end in October 2023.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:50:39
I wasn't disagreeing with you btw. Just trying to guess at wtf he's on about, even if nonsense.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:51:08
I e-mailed the Trust, after singing-up to the Shae scheme, that they should present the Carlisle example to Clem and get him on public record to agree to do the same, or not.  Either way we would know if he had any interest in backing up the claims.

Not had a response, that was late September.

We have now had links to other examples, where clubs have provided very detailed summaries of their financial performance, including details on transfer incomes, sources of Revenue etc.  Nobody is expecting them to show company names and contracts, but detailed analysis is possible, as is a forward looking forecast.

I'll ask again, what are people getting for their membership/voting share money at the moment? How many 'votes' have share holders participated in since March? Have you fed back in 'regular surveys'?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 20:56:44
As an example of what I mean.

Puma deal - tied up for a few years, diddums, so would every other new owner of a football club be.

However, we have over a hundred years of history to leverage for marketing purposes.  When I was back in the UK in the summer, I visited a few Premier League grounds (son wanted to see a few of them) and all of them had a range of retro shirts available for purchase.  Slightly lower cost than the official ones.  Where are the STFC ones?  Can't make enough off of the current kits, flog some old style ones (replica, not actual) for a few quid less, and the plus side is you can sell them next year as well, and the year after.  The 1969 top for example, the 92/93 one.  Some of the classics.

I know it's not as simple as posting that and making money, but there really is no obvious effort to do much new at the club, bar a crazy amount of sponsorship deals, which seem to be in lieu of services most of the time.  Stop whining about what you were handed (decided to take on, not forced to) and get moving on new strategies.  So far, very little has really changed.  The only thing that did was because the Trust pushed it and Eady paid for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 6, 2023, 21:01:25
https://www.stfcdirect.com/christmas/christmas/christmas/

I mean, if that doesn't suggest club in a mess, what does?

I'm taking all this as read by the way, as a distant fan who cannot see what is in the shop.  The online offering is poor, and seemingly all on fire sale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 6, 2023, 21:04:52
https://www.stfcdirect.com/christmas/christmas/christmas/

I mean, if that doesn't suggest club in a mess, what does?

I'm taking all this as read by the way, as a distant fan who cannot see what is in the shop.  The online offering is poor, and seemingly all on fire sale.

This could be the worst piece of STFC merch I've ever seen. Not in a so shit it is laughable way like the Clem T-shirts.

Just absolutely God-awful rank bad tat: https://www.stfcdirect.com/christmas/christmas/christmas/2311_snowy-night-tee.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 21:07:16
It’s like the Next sale when they only put out the shit🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Monday, November 6, 2023, 21:19:49
It’s like the Next sale when they only put out the shit🤣

Still got Jonny Williams on the pop up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 6, 2023, 21:27:38
Still got Jonny Williams on the pop up

 :D :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 6, 2023, 22:52:15
I quite like the t shirts  :D


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 07:17:41
Quote
Is this Hawes episode available to listen again on iPlayer or similar?
it's more a chat with Marie.

it's from about 7 minutes in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gm08jt?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gm08jt?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 08:21:38
Surely someone within the club can proof read an article before it is posted

Batch could offer his services for that or maybe he already has. :)
Voluntary basis only of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 08:23:24
Batch could offer his services for that or maybe he already has. :)
Voluntary basis only of course.


hehe, Mr Typo is standing by...



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 09:46:57
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/club-shop-and-ticket-office-closed-from-2pm-today

 :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 09:54:33
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/club-shop-and-ticket-office-closed-from-2pm-today

 :hmmm:

Have they been paid?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 09:56:17
Have they been paid?

That was my first thought.

"The regular opening time and closing times will look to resume from tomorrow" is hardly unequivocal is it...?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 09:57:09
Resume from tomorrow?

They sure about that. Twice bitten, thrice mega pissed off!

They’ve been shut the last 2 Wednesdays I’ve been.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 10:01:38
Probably driving the team coach to Colchester to save casah.

My guess is either stock take or staff unavailability.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 10:39:04
Probably driving the team coach to Colchester to save casah.

My guess is either stock take or staff unavailability.
Probably counting all the money they made on Saturday selling cheap shirts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 10:50:59
I made the mistake of looking at page 1 of this thread (I started the wretched thing!!) which was posted to celebrate getting Power out and Clem in. It hasn't gone brilliantly has it?

I think I'd be physically sick looking back at how happy we all were.

Not for me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 10:52:09
Rob Angus and Greg Norman going were pretty clear harbingers...

That the Clem Cultists can't see any of this terrifies me. The Facebook group... wow. The "Great statement from Clem" brigade.

I'm understand people who say "I've seen it all, don't care, what will be will be, I just enjoy it" but the proper Clem nutters are scary.

Cult is the only way to describe it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 10:57:25


But, and I'm hope I'm not misrepresenting what was said, but he implied the trust haven't yet been given access to the books.

Never expected them to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:05:34
7 weeks since this and we are hearing rumours it hasn't happened:

https://truststfc.com/2023/09/19/share-transfer-and-ownership-statement/

"The Trust will continue to hold the Club to account by working with them in a collaborative fashion as a critical friend. We will achieve far more by working together with the Club inside the building than from looking in from the outside. An example of this is Friday’s agreement to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs."

They really need to stop taking Clem at face value. Even saying "probably unheard of at other Clubs" before it had happened smacks of a cosy naivety, a degree of pride even.

I would gladly pay into the Trust if I felt it would represent my concerns and fight the fans' corner. It has been downhill since the day they agreed to get into bed with Power on the ground. They have to, as an organisation, wake up from this stupor soon, right? We are in the shit. You have to be organised and united to get through these issues as a fanbase. And I appreciate there will be conflicting views there, they are fans first, volunteers etc etc.

Yeah, didn't someone show that at Lincoln it is very much not unheard of?

I lost the plot big time Saturday but speaking to Clem is our saviour mongs will do that to you. Pissed off with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:06:16
Right, but it could be other contacts like puma shirts or, um, I dunno

I have heard we owe Puma money, which is why no third shirt.

Probably why we ended up having to lock in with them for longer too despite them being a bit shit and late every year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:12:16
As an example of what I mean.

Puma deal - tied up for a few years, diddums, so would every other new owner of a football club be.

However, we have over a hundred years of history to leverage for marketing purposes.  When I was back in the UK in the summer, I visited a few Premier League grounds (son wanted to see a few of them) and all of them had a range of retro shirts available for purchase.  Slightly lower cost than the official ones.  Where are the STFC ones?  Can't make enough off of the current kits, flog some old style ones (replica, not actual) for a few quid less, and the plus side is you can sell them next year as well, and the year after.  The 1969 top for example, the 92/93 one.  Some of the classics.

I know it's not as simple as posting that and making money, but there really is no obvious effort to do much new at the club, bar a crazy amount of sponsorship deals, which seem to be in lieu of services most of the time.  Stop whining about what you were handed (decided to take on, not forced to) and get moving on new strategies.  So far, very little has really changed.  The only thing that did was because the Trust pushed it and Eady paid for it.

Great post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:42:11
Re potentially unfavourable commercial arrangements, don't know exactly how it works but I'm assuming that Nationwide cover the difference for every discounted ticket sold?

If not then a more favourable arrangement would need to be reached.
They can afford it after all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:43:48
I have heard we owe Puma money, which is why no third shirt.

We certainly owed them money in the past, as per AB board. A power era debt.

I could see how our credit rating with them would be shot, assuming the debt hasn't been confused with the above (and why would it)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:44:24
As an example of what I mean.

Puma deal - tied up for a few years, diddums, so would every other new owner of a football club be.

However, we have over a hundred years of history to leverage for marketing purposes.  When I was back in the UK in the summer, I visited a few Premier League grounds (son wanted to see a few of them) and all of them had a range of retro shirts available for purchase.  Slightly lower cost than the official ones.  Where are the STFC ones?  Can't make enough off of the current kits, flog some old style ones (replica, not actual) for a few quid less, and the plus side is you can sell them next year as well, and the year after.  The 1969 top for example, the 92/93 one.  Some of the classics.

I know it's not as simple as posting that and making money, but there really is no obvious effort to do much new at the club, bar a crazy amount of sponsorship deals, which seem to be in lieu of services most of the time.  Stop whining about what you were handed (decided to take on, not forced to) and get moving on new strategies.  So far, very little has really changed.  The only thing that did was because the Trust pushed it and Eady paid for it.

Could the Trust not step up here? I get that some approaches may come across tinpot (the lottery is really tinpot) but it's a money maker and every little helps. Could the Trust not put out a fan survey of money-making ideas for the club? I'm sure there's a lot of fan ideas like above. I'm sure there's other things that can be done that generates revenue, let the fans have input and give a steer to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:44:29
Re potentially unfavourable commercial arrangements, don't know exactly how it works but I'm assuming that Nationwide cover the difference for every discounted ticket sold?

If not then a more favourable arrangement would need to be reached.
They can afford it after all.


Hadn't thought of that agreement. Good point


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:51:02
Nationwide I'm sure pay plenty in a lump sum for sponsorship. They won't be paying any difference per ticket. Its a perk for a lofty sponsorship fee.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:52:22
Nationwide I'm sure pay plenty in a lump sum for sponsorship. They won't be paying any difference per ticket. Its a perk for a lofty sponsorship fee.
I am sure the Nationwide offering was brought back/renegotiated under Clems stewardship as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 11:56:55
Stop whining about what you were handed (decided to take on, not forced to) and get moving on new strategies.  So far, very little has really changed.  The only thing that did was because the Trust pushed it and Eady paid for it.


Spot on. Cunts going on like hes doing us all a favour, you were around the club for years before 'taking over' and saw something that you could gain from it, be it financial or a boost to your ego owning a club. Fucking own it, or fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 12:05:21

Fucking own it, or fuck off.

This is more or less the view that I've come around to.
Nothing against Clem personally & don't really believe that he is in any way a "wrongun". Others may disagree.
The January window will be a defining moment of his ownership one way or another.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 12:42:41
I have heard we owe Puma money, which is why no third shirt.

Probably why we ended up having to lock in with them for longer too despite them being a bit shit and late every year.

Shirts have been a mixed bag but other clubs with the same supplier don't seem to have the same issues...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 13:08:03
Does anyone know what interest Z Austin and Kiely have in not selling? Austin supposedly manoeuvred Morfuni into position to take over, and now wants to stop him selling (maybe…). Do we just assume the worst because it allows someone to (no names, obviously) to use the club for reasons other than football…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 13:15:30
Assuming any new buyer isn't dazzled by whatever he brings to the party, I'd guess Zav will be told he can do something else on a Saturday.
Anything else is utter speculation, surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 13:20:16
Its definitely pure speculation, but when you have a convicted drug money launderer hanging around along with one of the countries biggest convicted drug dealers its kind of hard to avoid that kind of speculation.

Unless the club was being ran swimmingly and results were favourable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 13:53:34
If we’d won on Saturday we wouldn’t be having all this wrist slashing - the club’s circumstance would be exactly the same.

Same as not enough people gave a fuck about Power until the Sheridactyl season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:04:09
The Trust have spoken


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:04:35
https://truststfc.com/2023/11/07/truststfc-update-november-2023/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:10:18
Not a bad statement. Tbf, they can’t do much if the club refuses to interact.

Surely, players know if they got paid on time..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:13:20
Good statement. Poor on the club for kicking the can down the road.

Clem is drowning in his own bullshit at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:19:23
Its definitely pure speculation, but when you have a convicted drug money launderer hanging around along with one of the countries biggest convicted drug dealers its kind of hard to avoid that kind of speculation.

Unless the club was being ran swimmingly and results were favourable.
Agree based on the characters involved, I think the speculation that the club are being used as a front is a stretch though

Don't agree on the results thing. There's been a lot of unhappiness with lack of transparency throughout the last year


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:20:51
That statement sounds very much like they’re losing patience.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:21:23
Would have liked a bit more ‘so what’ in that statement from the trust, tbh.

If true there are serious red flags at the football club, and I don’t think shrugging your shoulders and saying ‘well clem said it was fine’ is good enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:21:48
https://truststfc.com/2023/11/07/truststfc-update-november-2023/

A well considered statement, and timely too.

If there is a rift from within the club they need to be a careful to validate claims as BS will be coming from both sides to damage the other.

Case in point, late payment of wages, where the truth is unclear.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:22:59
Can only hope that ‘other interested parties’ aren’t those already connected to the club.

If ever a club - and it’s fan base - ever needed a fresh start, this is it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:23:14
Surely, players know if they got paid on time..

Everyone knows when they were paid. Its whether they are prepared to go public (if they were late),


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:23:53
Hence the speculation. Player tells agent, agent tells Whelan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:23:56
That statement sounds very much like they’re losing patience.

tbh that is the minimum i would expect


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:26:50
I assume not being paid may have had something to do with the result on Saturday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:27:59
Even if that’s true it’s unacceptable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:29:11
Everyone knows when they were paid. Its whether they are prepared to go public (if they were late),

Or if you are a first year pro you probably would keep your mouth shut, unfortunately.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:32:30
I am highly impressed at the persistence/burying heads in the sand ability of any fan who at this point still thinks everything is rosey at the club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:33:40
Decent statement but I detect a huge undercurrent of frustration from the Trust directed passive-aggresively at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:45:21
Some positives in that statement.

However, why did it take this weekend's bullshit for them to tell us they haven't yet seen the books? They need to keep the pressure on with regular updates and not just wait until the next supporter meltdown/Clem own goal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 14:54:07
Statement feels way too passive for my liking.

No accounts been seen yet, no confirmation that the shares have been bought back, and we've got Clem's word that the HMRC and players/staff were all paid on time.

There are so many signs that there is no money. I guess we'll find out tonight if the players are seriously fucked off still, or not.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:08:39
I am highly impressed at the persistence/burying heads in the sand ability of any fan who at this point still thinks everything is rosey at the club.



People love being delusional though, don't they? Much more comforting than living in reality.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:09:49
Some positives in that statement.

However, why did it take this weekend's bullshit for them to tell us they haven't yet seen the books? They need to keep the pressure on with regular updates and not just wait until the next supporter meltdown/Clem own goal.

They did say things are going on in the background.....but you're right they need to be clear with us what is happening as well. Telling us they've not seen the books will inevitably cause supporter unrest, but that is on Clem and not them.

Patience is very much running out.

Good to hear they have someone more than qualified to look over things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:13:31
It’s easy enough to read between the lines, though.

No books for the Trust to look at - something they don’t want them to see

No clarity on the shares being bought back - they haven’t



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:22:09
It’s easy enough to read between the lines, though.

No books for the Trust to look at - something they don’t want them to see

No clarity on the shares being bought back - they haven’t



Yeah, pretty obviously this.

Promising it just to get the trust off his back and then renegging/ghosting is just Clem getting more rope to hang himself at this point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:31:27
I wonder who the interested parties are🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:41:31
I wonder who the interested parties are🤔

Hope: Taylor Swift
Expectation: Power and Currans horseracing mates.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:43:06
I wonder who the interested parties are🤔
Consortium of ABLE, Power, Curran and McRoaaaary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:43:43
Here is a layperson's question:

If you are entering into a JV like the the one that the Trust have with the Club, where the money has been gifted by the Eady Trust, could there not have been a mechanism whereby each side is mandated to share their full accounts with each other annually and if they don't the property reverts to the Eady Trust? Or something like that.

As I say, I have zero, literally zero, understanding of this world but I'm curious what safety mechanisms were put in place to prevent a wrong 'un from essentially profiting from 50% of Nigel Eady's bequest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:47:35
Yeah its shouda woulda coulda at this point, but the trust should have had a look at the books before the JV.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:48:50
Consortium of ABLE, Power, Curran and McRoaaaary.

Yeah it’s called we’re on the road to nowhere!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:50:54
Here is a layperson's question:

If you are entering into a JV like the the one that the Trust have with the Club, where the money has been gifted by the Eady Trust, could there not have been a mechanism whereby each side is mandated to share their full accounts with each other annually and if they don't the property reverts to the Eady Trust? Or something like that.

As I say, I have zero, literally zero, understanding of this world but I'm curious what safety mechanisms were put in place to prevent a wrong 'un from essentially profiting from 50% of Nigel Eady's bequest.

Legally, I think the club has to run any change of ownership by the JV, but I doubt they can prevent it.

Outside of that:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/2021-22-general-content/memorandum-of-understanding---truststfc-and-stfc---final.docx.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:51:58
Legally, I think the club has to run any change of ownership by the JV, but I doubt they can prevent it.

Outside of that:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/2021-22-general-content/memorandum-of-understanding---truststfc-and-stfc---final.docx.pdf

Is that full ownership or even the 20% they didn't bother telling anyone about?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:52:52
Is that full ownership or even the 20% they didn't bother telling anyone about?

Clearly the club saw the "non binding" bit and ran with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:53:41
Legally, I think the club has to run any change of ownership by the JV, but I doubt they can prevent it.

Outside of that:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/2021-22-general-content/memorandum-of-understanding---truststfc-and-stfc---final.docx.pdf

Yeah, I think we can all agree that the Memorandum of Understanding is about as much use as the Treaty of Versailles at this point.

I guess I was wondering more could the Eady Trust/Trust STFC have put any mechanisms in place whereby the club's 50% of the stadium is forfeited under certain conditions eg. failure to share full accounts, unauthorised change in ownership (!) etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 15:57:22
I thought the CG reverted to SBC if ground improvements didn’t commence during a set time period. May be 18 months, but I could have made that up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:00:39
Not revert, they have the option to buy it back. Which lets be honest they probably won't.

Could it be an option to campaign to the council to force the buy back on the clubs half on behalf of the Trust?

Would require a hell of a lot more funding though, but if that money goes back to the Eady Trust? Hoping they have put certain provisions in place there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:01:52
There are at least two separate transactions involved, so it would be tough to put such onerous terms in.

The Joint Venture has two shareholders - the fans of STFC and the club.  That Joint Venture then wholly owns the Freehold of the ground.  The club is then the sole Leaseholder of the ground from the Joint Venture.

As I understand it, the only place they can really apply such limitations is on the change of ownership of the JV itself.  So if the club tried to sell their share in the freehold, they'd need unanimous consent from the Board of Directors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:06:34
So, if and when the club is sold, if the Trust don’t like the cut of the jib of any prospective new owner they can put the kibosh on the sale of tge 50% of the ground the club owns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:17:37
My summary on statement:
- Trust aren’t being as involved as they should be or want to be
- Club haven’t done what they told the Trust they would do (surprise surprise)
- Reading between the lines, players weren’t paid on time
- Trust seeing if rumours of potential buyer are even accurate

Have I missed anything?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:21:27
So, if and when the club is sold, if the Trust don’t like the cut of the jib of any prospective new owner they can put the kibosh on the sale of tge 50% of the ground the club owns.

No.

The Club is a business, a separate legal entity, and it is the club that owns the 50%.  Any change of ownership of the club is not material.  The Club cannot sell it's share to another company or individual without approval.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:24:19
No.

The Club is a business, a separate legal entity, and it is the club that owns the 50%.  Any change of ownership of the club is not material.  The Club cannot sell it's share to another company or individual without approval.

Which considering that's the only thing of value for any prospective buyer, that's a good thing right? Nobody can take ownership of the JV shares unless its approved first?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:25:43
My summary on statement:
- Trust aren’t being as involved as they should be or want to be
- Club haven’t done what they told the Trust they would do (surprise surprise)
- Reading between the lines, players weren’t paid on time
- Trust seeing if rumours of potential buyer are even accurate

Have I missed anything?
Interpreted it moreso that the Trust had heard rumours themselves prior to Whelans story of interested parties but hadn't been able to validate the rumours as of yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:29:30
- Reading between the lines, players weren’t paid on time

I did think mention of HMRC was interesting too.

If I were a betting man I think payments to some staff and HMRC were delayed from the normal date, but not enough to make it "late".

Whether that's correct or not, the underlying issue of looking like we have a cash flow crisis doesn't go away. I'm not sure what a "cover up" would achieve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:35:06
Yeah the statement says people were paid by the 31st. Which isn't technically late, but if they'd normally be paid onf the 27th or something it would certainly raise eyebrows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:41:21
If you're paid a day later than your usual pay day then you're paid late.

I've got a shit load of direct debits that come out the day after my pay day and I'm sure the shop staff and the like are all the same. Might not be so bad for players who are more flush.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:43:53
Its definitely pure speculation, but when you have a convicted drug money launderer hanging around along with one of the countries biggest convicted drug dealers

I've forgotten, which two are these?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:45:39
If you're paid a day later than your usual pay day then you're paid late.

I've got a shit load of direct debits that come out the day after my pay day and I'm sure the shop staff and the like are all the same. Might not be so bad for players who are more flush.

I’d be wary of the assumption that most players at this level are “flush”. A young player renting away from home and giving a cut to his agent might not be much above an average salary. Some obviously will be but not all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 16:47:38
I've forgotten, which two are these?

Austin - convicted of Money Laundering drug money, spent time inside as a result
Hart - was one of the Uk's most wanted, drug dealing basically.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:03:06
We still do, Former Drummer Boy is on the board. Not a regular poster but does post. Think a few of the others have accounts too.

 :bye:

Sorry for the late reply, it's been an intense and interesting couple of days... :eekout:

If anyone wants a chat, including Thekston and Mooneyraker, just to say hi, I'm a season ticket in the Town End and run the socials for the Trust so give me a shout of the Trust Twitter DMs and we can organise a catch-up face to face - no dramas at all :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:06:28
:bye:

Sorry for the late reply, it's been an intense and interesting couple of days... :eekout:

If anyone wants a chat, including Thekston and Mooneyraker, just to say hi, I'm a season ticket in the Town End and run the socials for the Trust so give me a shout of the Trust Twitter DMs and we can organise a catch-up face to face - no dramas at all :)

Amongst all the criticism. I do get the impression you lot are grafting to try and get to the bottom of all of this and at the end of the day you've got lives outside of this basket case football club. Fair play.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:20:03
Amongst all the criticism. I do get the impression you lot are grafting to try and get to the bottom of all of this and at the end of the day you've got lives outside of this basket case football club. Fair play.

Appreciated. We all want the best for the club and I can understand the frustration from some. Swindon Town FC has always been a rollercoaster ride!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:23:13
:bye:

Sorry for the late reply, it's been an intense and interesting couple of days... :eekout:

If anyone wants a chat, including Thekston and Mooneyraker, just to say hi, I'm a season ticket in the Town End and run the socials for the Trust so give me a shout of the Trust Twitter DMs and we can organise a catch-up face to face - no dramas at all :)
I might take you up on that but I’ll be brutally honest it’d be on the premise that Spencer is nowhere in the near vicinity as he’d probably tip me over the edge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:27:47
I might take you up on that but I’ll be brutally honest it’d be on the premise that Spencer is nowhere in the near vicinity as he’d probably tip me over the edge.

Deal - FYI - I'm not going to be there on the weekend as I have to go overseas for work but drop me a DM on Twitter and we'll sort out a time to chat properly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:00:12
:bye:

Sorry for the late reply, it's been an intense and interesting couple of days... :eekout:

If anyone wants a chat, including Thekston and Mooneyraker, just to say hi, I'm a season ticket in the Town End and run the socials for the Trust so give me a shout of the Trust Twitter DMs and we can organise a catch-up face to face - no dramas at all :)

Appreciate the offer Drummer Boy and I have no doubt that it is pretty stressful at the moment on top of your normal lives.

I just want to clarify a few things: I am not anti "the Trust." I would love us to have a strong, respected Trust who we can all rally behind. I seem to recall that during the Diamandis era, Red Army Fund days and so on. I have no interest in digging out the individuals online but from the outside looking in it seems to me that as soon as the Eady money turned up a small group at the top of the Trust have railroaded the CG acquisition at all costs and with little thought of the consequences. It seems to have been a giant ego trip. The day they announced that they were prepared to work with Power on the ground is the day I cancelled my direct debit. It could never have been in the interests of the club for that man to be anywhere near the keys to the County Ground. Then the Trust put themselves foursquare behind Clem Morfuni for reasons that are still not clear to me. By all means call Power out but what was the reason to get into bed with Morfuni to the extent that the Trust did? As I see it, a lot of Trust subscribers membership fees and the Trust's time went towards the work to smooth his takeover and even take on day to day running of elements of the club. That feels completely wrong to me. We have been told time and again that that the Trust have done 'due diligence', whether on Axis as a business or on Zavier Austin's background or any number of other things. Well, Axis never passed the sniff test. When pictures of their tiny dilapidated offices emerged the Cultists told us that was normal for a building services firm... hmmm. Well, it is now clear that Axis as a business had the resilience of a wet paper hanky.
Then we got Zav Austin. Clem's literal first act was to attempt to install a convicted drugs money launderer as Vice Chairman. At that point the Trust should have distanced themselves immediately. This is meant to be a community football club, quite aside from the fact that he was never going to pass the fit and proper person's test. Yet, out came Clem's Praetorian guard at the Trust telling us that extensive due diligence was done and Zav 'explained it all' on the OSC couch (did he bollocks). His background was right there on Google for all to see.
We've had partnerships with fake football clubs (I really can't emphasise how mad it is to have to type that), Zav, now relegated to Matchday Guest, doing deals on behalf of the club on Whitehall, one of Britain's formerly most wanted in the wings, chaos in the transfer department in every window, Greg Norman departing, Rob Angus being thrown under the bus, share transfers, rumours swirling about non-payments for months and months, the most threadbare squad in living memory, it goes on and on and on. There would be less red flags at a Chinese Communist Party Parade.
And yet, everything, every statement, every interaction from the Trust is entirely reactive. They are always caught on the back foot when something is pinged from Companies House or some other bullshit emerges. Did no-one at the Trust ask who Karachi FC were? A google image search of the crest shows it NEVER EXISTED! Did that not bother anyone? I only use that example because it is peak Clem insanity.
We've also had Trust members making veiled threats ("we know who your are" type stuff) towards legitimate social media accounts asking questions that some fans want answers to online. That is mad.
I'm certain that there are conflicting views within the Trust but it would be great to see something happening on the front foot, rather than after the next skeleton tumbles out of the closet, which it will as surely as day follows night.
In terms of offering solutions rather than problems, I do think that both the Trust website and membership model are barriers to entry. It is utterly labyrinthine. On the basis that Clem clearly doesn't have a pot to piss in, I think we can forget voting shares for a while. You need a basic membership model so that the Trust is in a strong position to react when this house of cards comes tumbling down. I also think we are way past the critical friend-zone.

Anyway, apologies for the ramble and I do appreciate a Trust member coming on here in peace and hope that this is taken in the spirit it is intended. We are where we are and I think we will all need to pull together over the coming months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:24:00
Deal - FYI - I'm not going to be there on the weekend as I have to go overseas for work but drop me a DM on Twitter and we'll sort out a time to chat properly.

One way ticket ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:24:46
I disagree with some of that Moony
  - getting 50% of the ground into "fan" ownership is a lot better than 100% being in the club hands - even if Clem was the best owner since sliced bread then next one may not.
        - does that protection also hamper redevelopment - not that I can see.
  - I don't suppose there was much choice in Morfuni was the only one with the pre-emption rights to remove Power.

On due diligence - I get what you are saying. I'm not sure how hidden Austin & cos involvment was at the time of takeover. I'm not sure it matters IF you believe the alternative is Power taking the club down.  I have to say the clean break from the Power era has been anything but.

I don't think now is the time for the Trust to go militant. I am sure they have the same suspicions and worries as the rest of us. They are fans like us after all. Best to keep their powder dry and try and gain whatever information they can (IMO). Exhaust all avenues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:31:40
SBC seemingly weren’t in any danger of selling the ground to Power or Clem, who frankly couldn’t have afforded it.

And yes, we know Morfuni was the only game in town but that didn’t mean the Trust had to handcuff themselves to him!

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTLJjoW867g&pp=ygUOZGFydWRlIHNpbGVuY2U%3D (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTLJjoW867g&pp=ygUOZGFydWRlIHNpbGVuY2U%3D)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:44:48
I don’t think the trust need to be militant, but they could do with showing more backbone

I think with hindsight it’s a mistake having the Trust be the supporter representation in the JV. From a relationship management POV, it’s got to make it more difficult to be critical and scrutinise when you have to then work *with* the clubs ownership on all things ground related.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:52:00
Demanding people's names and trying to 'out' accounts like STFC Questions - yes, much more Secret Police than military - and deeply disturbing.

We are run no better than a fan owned club, and unfortunately some sitting at the Trust table think that's what they are and that they're special and involved. The last two years have shown that for what it's worth. Let's see what happens when they get hold of our threadbare accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 10:04:38
Demanding people's names and trying to 'out' accounts like STFC Questions - yes, much more Secret Police than military - and deeply disturbing.

We are run no better than a fan owned club, and unfortunately some sitting at the Trust table think that's what they are and that they're special and involved. The last two years have shown that for what it's worth. Let's see what happens when they get hold of our threadbare accounts.

I’ve been saying this for a while. The club loves to act like it’s fan owned and attempt to benefit from any positives of that (fan goodwill, donations etc) when the clubs not fan owned at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 10:14:05
I’ve been saying this for a while. The club loves to act like it’s fan owned and attempt to benefit from any positives of that (fan goodwill, donations etc) when the clubs not fan owned at all.

I tend to agree with that, pandering to fans to put money in etc & help the club out. Basically the ''owners'' want a free hit. Wish I now hadn't given up my season ticket refund from the 20/21 season, oh well, hindsight is wonderful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:01:05
It’s exhausting following this club. Never ending worries and concerns and the feeling that this is, at last, IT. The end. No more. Can’t take it. Can’t be arsed. Can’t be lied to anymore. Can’t let yourself be blindsided by pure guff and nonsense again.

In some ways this is worse than Power. It was obvious, to many, that he was dodgy from the outset but we had a few decent seasons mainly in L1 so we had a bit of a safety net. Along comes Clem, seemingly the polar opposite of Power. Openness and transparency was the claim. Jump on board, buy your STs, things have changed, we’re on the up.

It didn’t take long for staff to start jumping ship which raised an eyebrow or 2. 3 managers leave, various other members of staff leave, the Trust’s man leaves. Now the fans have had enough.

If Clem reckons he can’t make it pay on the back of 9000 crowds how will that pan out when they drop to 7000.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:05:39
If Clem reckons he can’t make it pay on the back of 9000 crowds how will that pan out when they drop to 7000.

That's THE point. Ignore dodgy/saint. It comes down to is he skint/solvent enough to plug gaps.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:19:51
The fastest way to force Morfuni out is to stop putting money into the club. The £15m valuation will soon drop


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:27:13
The fastest way to force Morfuni out is to stop putting money into the club. The £15m valuation will soon drop

Ive made the decision that whilst this lot are still in charge the club is not having another penny of my money. I dont get to many games per season (4 or 5) but buy merchandise such as shirts, programmes etc. That stops now until they are gone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:36:38
The fastest way to force Morfuni out is to stop putting money into the club. The £15m valuation will soon drop

£15m?! Where on earth has that come from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:44:43
Demanding people's names and trying to 'out' accounts like STFC Questions - yes, much more Secret Police than military - and deeply disturbing.

We are run no better than a fan owned club, and unfortunately some sitting at the Trust table think that's what they are and that they're special and involved. The last two years have shown that for what it's worth. Let's see what happens when they get hold of our threadbare accounts.

Yeah you can see this chartered accountant chap we have lined up being less than impressed with what he reads. Its just all going to be smokes and mirrors, isn't it?

Wonder if Clem will be looking over his shoulder. Or maybe Zav.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:48:53
I tend to agree with that, pandering to fans to put money in etc & help the club out. Basically the ''owners'' want a free hit. Wish I now hadn't given up my season ticket refund from the 20/21 season, oh well, hindsight is wonderful.

Yeah the blackmailing makes me sick looking back. It didn't sit right with me at the time, but I wasn't a season ticket holder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:51:37
£15m?! Where on earth has that come from?

I'm sure someone can break it down but if you add up

1. The money we owe him in debt
2. The money he originally stupidly gave to Power to buy in.....and
3. The few hundred grand he got the rest of the club for

Its not far off. Probably looking for a small profit on top of that to give the club to someone debt free.

Probably dreaming.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:54:21
I'm sure someone can break it down but if you add up

1. The money we owe him in debt
2. The money he originally stupidly gave to Power to buy in.....and
3. The few hundred grand he got the rest of the club for

Its not far off. Probably looking for a small profit on top of that to give the club to someone debt free.

Probably dreaming.

You are forgetting share of the ground too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:56:41
You are forgetting share of the ground too

But Clem gave us that out of the goodness of his heart, don't you know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:57:30
If you use the £2.9m for 22% if shares it values the club at £13.4m. Of course, that doesn’t have to be that amount.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 12:01:55
What I find cheeky is when you look at the AB meeting minutes, you see the slide where it shows the debt has been reduced but hasn't the bulk of this just been moved so it's owned elsewhere, to clem? So, i guess, to an extent the club is in the same amount of debt as before. My assumption is, when Clem has been 'injecting money into the club' it's in the form of loans not equity


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 12:09:52
Yep, but tbf the danger of someone going after the club for payment and the associated problems that would bring, are diminished by Clem owning the debt. He’s not going to put the club in admin and lose his own money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 12:15:47
Demanding people's names and trying to 'out' accounts like STFC Questions - yes, much more Secret Police than military - and deeply disturbing.

We are run no better than a fan owned club, and unfortunately some sitting at the Trust table think that's what they are and that they're special and involved. The last two years have shown that for what it's worth. Let's see what happens when they get hold of our threadbare accounts.
That last paragraph is the main reason I can’t get involved with the Trust even if I had time. The way Spencer acted a few weeks ago was a disgrace making hollow threats of ‘we know who you are’ to that guy on Twitter. He represents Morfuni’s interests more than he does the fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 12:18:00
That last paragraph is the main reason I can’t get involved with the Trust even if I had time. The way Spencer acted a few weeks ago was a disgrace making hollow threats of ‘we know who you are’ to that guy on Twitter. He represents Morfuni’s interests more than he does the fans.

Agreed.

The Trust seem to be stepping up their response at the moment but he is an absolute waste of time and has no business being involved. He compromises the trust more than anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:11:54
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:20:36
Agreed.

The Trust seem to be stepping up their response at the moment but he is an absolute waste of time and has no business being involved. He compromises the trust more than anything.

I did try to call this out very early on, on here, and even though I had to be somewhat criptic due to the fact that he was also posting on here at the time, he knew what i was saying and who i was aiming it at.  I got shouted down by a couple of unamed posters at the time saying that I was making shit up, whilst watching everyone lap up everything that our friend was posting on here.

I know a couple of posters know this to be true and are aware of what i knew at the time because they PM'd me.

And this is not a "I told you so" this is a "it's not like the signs weren't already there" post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:35:19
I'm reluctant to go in too hard on the Trust because there is clearly an internal conflict within. There's no way in hell that 10 or whatever people are just sitting there twiddling their thumbs. There will be apologists, people who want action and apathy.

If the hierarchy are pro-Clemente then it'll be tough to nudge them.

Clem's charm offensive was very impressive from the off and there's a 'not average' fan who can take a lot of credit for that. They still work busily behind-the-scenes to fly the flag for the ownership. They keep a very low profile which has made their impact so significant with PR and keeping the fans sweet.

Raising concerns over the last year or so have been quite difficult because, when cracks/red flags started to seep out of the club well over a year ago, a lot of 'regular' fans were resistant/outright refused to believe anything could possibly be wrong. Obviously, the 21/22 season helped a lot too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:37:14
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Yep, but tbf the danger of someone going after the club for payment and the associated problems that would bring, are diminished by Clem owning the debt. He’s not going to put the club in admin and lose his own money.
.

was having this conversation on Twitter.

I don't actually care if he gets it back + some when he sells. Money is out of his account until that day.

As long as he isn't making stupid money on loans, which he says he isn't.

No idea what the Kiely deal is and who is paying for it mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:45:20
Which, now, begs the question - why don’t they let the Trust see the books? There has to be something in there that’s not fit for public consumption.

If there could be a silver lining explanation it could be a sale may be in the offing.*

*straw clutching


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:48:30
Listening to Dan Hunt on the LSPOD reminded me of the absolute travesty that was Rob Angus and Clem ringing up fans and pressuring them into not getting season ticket refunds.

And yet we’d been told the Trust had seen an account with X million £ in it prior to the takeover (I can’t remember the amount but when Able were allegedly sniffing it was part of that process).

How did that not worry anybody? We had our new “millionaire” owner acting like a bailiff within days.

This week has nudged me into the view that Clem is worse than Power. A truly desperate state of affairs. I know Duke of Banbury makes valid arguments to the contrary but I’m honestly leaning towards Phoenix Club being a less bad outcome than lurching from Clem to the Kiely/Parladorio era. This can’t continue. Clearly a clean break takeover is preferable to either but we are in an absolute pickle with the ownership structure and court cases so don’t see that as likely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:52:08
Listening to Dan Hunt on the LSPOD reminded me of the absolute travesty that was Rob Angus and Clem ringing up fans and pressuring them into not getting season ticket refunds.

And yet we’d been told the Trust had seen an account with X million £ in it prior to the takeover (I can’t remember the amount but when Able were allegedly sniffing it was part of that process).

How did that not worry anybody? We had our new “millionaire” owner acting like a bailiff within days.

This week has nudged me into the view that Clem is worse than Power. A truly desperate state of affairs. I know Duke of Banbury makes valid arguments to the contrary but I’m honestly leaning towards Phoenix Club being a less bad outcome than lurching from Clem to the Kiely/Parladorio era. This can’t continue. Clearly a clean break takeover is preferable to either but we are in an absolute pickle with the ownership structure and court cases so don’t see that as likely.


The signs were there from very early on. I regularly commented about the appalling lack of staff in the playoff season. Nobody there to answer the phones. We haven't been ran proffesionaly since Clem took over.

You call these things out though and Clem just says it's the consequence of the Power era. It's a very easy out for him. It doesn't fly anymore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:53:23
The one thing Morfuni and his chums have had a clear strategy for, and have done brilliantly, is to dupe the Trust by bringing them in close enough to be part of the gang, and always far enough away to never have an influence, aside from community engagement activities, and unless there is an upside for them for free (such as the ground purchase). The ground purchase is a huge achievement, but it must now be one of the most dysfunctional JVs around. The fact the club won’t produce the accounts, and when they do, will likely not explain the “admin cost” line items, is all the proof you need that they’re kept away from anything meaningful. Ironically, in terms of knowing details of where the club’s cash flow really goes, that is probably very good news for the individuals involved in the Trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:54:35
I'm reluctant to go in too hard on the Trust because there is clearly an internal conflict within. There's no way in hell that 10 or whatever people are just sitting there twiddling their thumbs. There will be apologists, people who want action and apathy.

If the hierarchy are pro-Clemente then it'll be tough to nudge them.

Clem's charm offensive was very impressive from the off and there's a 'not average' fan who can take a lot of credit for that. They still work busily behind-the-scenes to fly the flag for the ownership. They keep a very low profile which has made their impact so significant with PR and keeping the fans sweet.

Raising concerns over the last year or so have been quite difficult because, when cracks/red flags started to seep out of the club well over a year ago, a lot of 'regular' fans were resistant/outright refused to believe anything could possibly be wrong. Obviously, the 21/22 season helped a lot too.

The Clem charm offensive with certain people is what bothers me.

There was the not insignificant prize of a stadium/share of £4m to play for if the right people could be convinced that Clem was a worthy recipient. Plenty of motivation for someone to make key decision makers feels special one way or another.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 13:56:37
Is owning 50% of the CG any sort of lever the Trust can use to put pressure on Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:01:02
Is owning 50% of the CG any sort of lever the Trust can use to put pressure on Clem?

It would be interesting to see what legal knots the Eady Trust tied the club in within the agreement to fund the purchase, I would imagine that STFC Ltd's 50% is not easy to dispose of for any vendor and not particularly attractive to potential purchasers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:03:49
The collective weight of STFC angst has even put the TrustSTFC website out of action.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:04:25
That’s what I was thinking. Everyone seems to think that owning the CG would make the club more attractive to a prospective buyer but they may well see it as a hurdle having to negotiate improvements with the Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:11:12
Legally, I think the club has to run any change of ownership by the JV, but I doubt they can prevent it.

Outside of that:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/202122/2021-22-general-content/memorandum-of-understanding---truststfc-and-stfc---final.docx.pdf
rob's had a look at the JV and whether the trust can do owt, legally


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:14:29
Which, now, begs the question - why don’t they let the Trust see the books? There has to be something in there that’s not fit for public consumption.

If there could be a silver lining explanation it could be a sale may be in the offing.*

*straw clutching
Think they said yesterday that they were in the process of allowing a trust member to view the books in the next couple of weeks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:14:41
Depends on how much a potential owner could yield inacting some of the plans (museums, restaurants, whatever) on the land area.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:19:25
Think they said yesterday that they were in the process of allowing a trust member to view the books in the next couple of weeks

Which was the same update a few weeks ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:37:51
rob's had a look at the JV and whether the trust can do owt, legally

With the utmost respect that MoA says the square root of sod all about processes for disposal, setting aside the Trust will still own 50% (assuming the Trust survives and fans don't splinter off to the Swindon Town Popular Peoples Front?) the Eady Trust appear to be quite savvy so I cannot imagine for 1 second that them giving STFC 50% of the money to buy the ground will not be legaled up to the eyeballs!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:56:52
Yeah, the Memorandum of Understanding is a non-binding agreement.  The details of the JV are not public, I don't think.  The Trust has some garb about the fact any sale of the asset by the club would require all six Directors of the JV to approve, but nothing detailed about how that happens.   The real asset for the club was the 299 year lease.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 14:58:30
Which was the same update a few weeks ago.

About 8 weeks ago wasn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 15:35:17

Clem's charm offensive was very impressive from the off and there's a 'not average' fan who can take a lot of credit for that. They still work busily behind-the-scenes to fly the flag for the ownership. They keep a very low profile which has made their impact so significant with PR and keeping the fans sweet.


Who's this then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 15:58:58
Mytton? I don’t think he’s ever very ‘public’ in the way some of the others are


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 16:01:27
Who's this then?

Also interested in who this is, if it isn't one of the obvious candidates, which it sounds like it isn't.

Chris Hull, the regime client journalist, would be my guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 19:00:00
Would be interesting to hear from our Australian STFC supporters who are reported drinking mates of Morfuni.
When was the last time you met with him ?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 19:03:20
I'm reliably informed by Mrs batch the club had a pre -christmas Christmas jumper/t-shirt sale before last Christmas.

Doesn't explain the home shirt sale though


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 19:40:33
I'm reliably informed by Mrs batch the club had a pre -christmas Christmas jumper/t-shirt sale before last Christmas.

Doesn't explain the home shirt sale though

I mean most people will jump ‘need the cash quick’

Which it might be but for me - most people who are going to buy Swindon shirts do so when they first come out. I can’t imagine many fans who are going to buy then wait till November. I’m guessing but I imagine by November you’ve probably already sold a large % of your total sales.

How do you entice people to buy something they probably normally wouldn’t. Slash the price….


Some assumptions there on my part obviously…but…you know Amazon always have some sort of sale on and reduced prices & it’s not because they are short of cash. It’s too entice people in to buy something that isn’t essential to them because ‘it’s a good deal’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 19:44:24
I’d have assumed Christmas would be the second biggest time of year for kit sales.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 20:01:27
I mean most people will jump ‘need the cash quick’

Which it might be but for me - most people who are going to buy Swindon shirts do so when they first come out. I can’t imagine many fans who are going to buy then wait till November. I’m guessing but I imagine by November you’ve probably already sold a large % of your total sales.

How do you entice people to buy something they probably normally wouldn’t. Slash the price….


Some assumptions there on my part obviously…but…you know Amazon always have some sort of sale on and reduced prices & it’s not because they are short of cash. It’s too entice people in to buy something that isn’t essential to them because ‘it’s a good deal’

It looks like they have a lot of stock of the home kit and in my view isn't as nice as previous years, so it might be a stock issue


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 20:21:29
Then reduce it in January like most sane business.

It could be unrelated, but I think I saw the shirts before the rest came out and it was certainly "wtf"!

I'm sure they do have too much stock and a sale will be needed. But that can't have been much more than cost price, very unusual for a club that likes to wring the last penny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 20:25:29
We’re a very unusual club :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 20:54:26
Then reduce it in January like most sane business.

It could be unrelated, but I think I saw the shirts before the rest came out and it was certainly "wtf"!

I'm sure they do have too much stock and a sale will be needed. But that can't have been much more than cost price, very unusual for a club that likes to wring the last penny.
Coincides with the rumour we owe Puma a wedge as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 21:06:36
Whacking them down by 50% reeks of desperation to me

I bought a shirt with a name and number on thr back and it was £63 fucking quid!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 21:34:11
I never knew Zav Austin was a bit of an unlicensed fighter in his ‘colourful’ younger days. Fought well known gangster Jimmy Tippett

How on earth did we end up with him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 22:50:37
Being discussed on Kieran Maguires ‘Price of Football’ podcast tomorrow.

Should be an interesting listen


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 23:13:50
I never knew Zav Austin was a bit of an unlicensed fighter in his ‘colourful’ younger days. Fought well known gangster Jimmy Tippett

How on earth did we end up with him.

Apparently they both almost had a fight sponsored by Reggie Kray. You couldn’t make it up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 08:19:06
Being discussed on Kieran Maguires ‘Price of Football’ podcast tomorrow.

Should be an interesting listen
Nothing we didn’t already know, just gives a timeline of recent events (and appears to get confused at the end suggesting he doesn’t know why Power would want to get back involved)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 08:43:05
Good that this is getting coverage but unless you are in the weeds like us it is always going to be a 'Wikipedia rundown' of events. Wasn't expecting revelations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 08:47:53
At least they've gone from 'it could be worse, it could be Southend' to 'the slight rustle of red flags'.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 08:50:08
At least they've gone from 'it could be worse, it could be Southend' to 'the slight rustle of red flags'.



(https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-KH813_1004ch_H_20101003231325.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 08:50:15
Nothing we didn’t already know, just gives a timeline of recent events (and appears to get confused at the end suggesting he doesn’t know why Power would want to get back involved)
Could you imagine it if Power reappeared!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 08:54:24
Could you imagine it if Power reappeared!

Given the post Andrew Black story arc, yes I absolutely can imagine it.

I can also imagine the Trust response: "Lee Power has assured us he is a changed man. On that basis we have given him access to the Trust funds to be placed on Curran's Delight, running in the 1245 at Towcester. We look forward to the dawn of our new relationship as critical friends. We would also like to welcome his new investors, The Gambino Family. We have done extensive due diligence on them. They have identified an exciting partnership with a Football Club in Micronesia. More updates to follow!"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:13:28
TBF we're all crying out for someone with footballing knowhow to run the club. Power has run a club or two before ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:21:27
Clem's charm offensive was very impressive from the off and there's a 'not average' fan who can take a lot of credit for that. They still work busily behind-the-scenes to fly the flag for the ownership. They keep a very low profile which has made their impact so significant with PR and keeping the fans sweet.

Rich, is the identity of Morfuni's PR man to remain a mystery for now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:22:30
TBF we're all crying out for someone with footballing knowhow to run the club. Power has run a club or two before ;)

He also has the debenture money burning a hole in his pocket!

also spotted this -

https://www.forbes.com.au/life/uncategorized/swindon-town-fc-is-not-for-sale-says-aussie-plumber/#:~:text=We%20got%20rid%20of%20the,would%20be%20put%20in%20liquidation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:28:13
He also has the debenture money burning a hole in his pocket!

also spotted this -

https://www.forbes.com.au/life/uncategorized/swindon-town-fc-is-not-for-sale-says-aussie-plumber/#:~:text=We%20got%20rid%20of%20the,would%20be%20put%20in%20liquidation.

He's absolutely delusional. The swearing is embarrassing. Imagine Seton Wills behaving like this?!

And, as expected, he's losing money on the Women's Team.

"The women’s team was still not a viable economic proposition, he said, not having cracked 1000 people through the turnstiles."

Insane that he took that on but hey, it pleased some people on social media.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:38:37
He also has the debenture money burning a hole in his pocket!

also spotted this -

https://www.forbes.com.au/life/uncategorized/swindon-town-fc-is-not-for-sale-says-aussie-plumber/#:~:text=We%20got%20rid%20of%20the,would%20be%20put%20in%20liquidation.
His comments in that are absolutely tragic, does he think a bit of swearing and some implied threats are going to convince us everything is dandy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:42:18
His comments suggest he spoke with Whelan to refute the claims, yet he never responded to Whelans right to reply messages before the article was published. If he had done that in the first place he could have prevented the article from being published....



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:48:00
Is the debenture bit totally accurate? I have no real idea how they work but the 3 days or the club gets liquidated seems both dramatic and far-fetched? Happy to be educated.

Also didn't he previously say he'd borrowed all of the money to pay it off? Here he says it's just half.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:49:06
‘Mate, one, I’m not selling the club. Get that out of your head. Two, I’m putting money into it. If you’ve got a problem, I’ll see you face to face and we’ll have a chat about it. If I’m doing something wrong. Fine. But if I’m doing it right, I’m going to come and have a swing at you. I’ll tell you that now. I won’t put up with bullshit. That’s how I am.


 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Imagine the platinum heavies will need a ring of steel around him if he does show his face at xmas.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:49:30
Is the debenture bit totally accurate? I have no real idea how they work but the 3 days or the club gets liquidated seems both dramatic and far-fetched? Happy to be educated.
None the wiser myself, but recall Rich mentioning on a previous  LSpod that people he knows within the industry find the 3 day story to be far-fetched


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:50:46
Is the debenture bit totally accurate? I have no real idea how they work but the 3 days or the club gets liquidated seems both dramatic and far-fetched? Happy to be educated.

Also didn't he previously say he'd borrowed all of the money to pay it off? Here he says it's just half.

Sounds like bollocks, he could prove it if its true... show us the correspondence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:54:20
None the wiser myself, but recall Rich mentioning on a previous  LSpod that people he knows within the industry find the 3 day story to be far-fetched

I don't believe it's like some loan shark style loan where you are given an unrealistically short period of time to settle it or you lose your knee caps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:56:16
Rattled isnt he?

Stop digging a hole!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:56:27
TBF we're all crying out for someone with footballing knowhow to run the club. Power has run a club or two into the ground before ;)
Fixed for you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:56:53
I don't believe it's like some loan shark style loan where you are given an unrealistically short period of time to settle it or you lose your knee caps.
Same! I wonder if the short timeframe is 'true' in Clems head but under the guise that the debt needed settling in a short time frame to meet the requirements for the imminent stadium purchase, rather than Power turning up with the baseball bat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 09:58:27
Just one normal day this week please


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:04:43
Fucking oath.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:05:49
Whelan says Morfuni hasn’t spoken to him so he’s even made that up.   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:05:58
I'm confused (doesn't take much)

I can see LSPOD has taken snippets and put them on twitter. But where's the full thing? and who interviewed/spoke to him?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:07:01
I'm confused (doesn't take much)

I can see LSPOD has taken snippets and put them on twitter. But where's the full thing? and who interviewed him?

https://www.forbes.com.au/life/uncategorized/swindon-town-fc-is-not-for-sale-says-aussie-plumber/#:~:text=We%20got%20rid%20of%20the,would%20be%20put%20in%20liquidation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:08:04
https://www.forbes.com.au/life/uncategorized/swindon-town-fc-is-not-for-sale-says-aussie-plumber/#:~:text=We%20got%20rid%20of%20the,would%20be%20put%20in%20liquidation.

Cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:13:46
Clem Mofuni..  I hope you are right
However, talk is cheap and a couple of Australian scholars aren't going to get STFC out of this current situation.
Your honeymoon period is over in Wiltshire


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:14:39
"We got rid of the debt. The previous owners bought a debenture for a million quid.” He said the previous owners than “put a statutory demand on the club to pay the 2.95 million pounds. We had three days to pay it or the club would be put in liquidation. I had half the money and borrowed the rest so the club would be saved.”"

So the sold shares were only 1.5 million or so, is that news for people? Would mean 20% at 1.5 million so club value = 7.5 million or am I missing something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:15:10
Nothing makes any sense.

There's not enough cash flow to pay staff, 50% off shirts yet we are happy to fly kids over to England for something that is 99.9% going to be a waste of time.

Unless it's being sponsored by somebody.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:18:14
Clem Mofuni..  I hope you are right
However, talk is cheap and a couple of Australian scholars aren't going to get STFC out of this current situation.
Your honeymoon period is over in Wiltshire
Talk is cheap, lies are cheaper.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:33:38
Still spouting shit

You didn’t buy the ground 50:50, you were gifted it by a dead fan

You haven’t paid off the debt, you’ve absorbed the debt and will want it back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 10:35:46
Club needs less investment globally and more investment in the squad. We'll end up with academies for a Non league club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 11:07:01
Talk is cheap, lies are cheaper.

Our squad is cheapest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 11:15:18
The house of cards is coming crashing down isn't it? That old meme where the scooby doo crowd lift the mask off of Clem and reveal Lee Power doesn't seem so absolutely ridiculous now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 11:16:01
His lies and lack of gratitude to the Eady Trust are an affront.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 11:57:05
Club needs less investment globally and more investment in the squad. We'll end up with academies for a Non league club.

That all depends if its self funding in cash and people resources. If it costs us nowt its not an issue . IF.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:09:04
I was thinking about this last night...cue conspiracy theory.

What if Lee Power called in the debenture and rather than it being paid off to him, he was given back 20% of the club in shares hidden by others names. The way we are currently being run is not a million miles off how it was before under him.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:11:31
I was thinking about this last night...cue conspiracy theory.

What if Lee Power called in the debenture and rather than it being paid off to him, he was given back 20% of the club in shares hidden by others names. The way we are currently being run is not a million miles off how it was before under him.




I said to my mate the other day, the most Swindon town thing that could ever happen is that the club is sold back to Power in some form.

Not that I think it’s even remotely possible but as McGreal said, it’s Swindon Town.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:26:41
…and then he’ll lose the court case against Standing and Standing will be laboured with a football club he doesn’t want with debts to pay off to Power - ultimate revenge plan…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:28:31
I was thinking about this last night...cue conspiracy theory.

What if Lee Power called in the debenture and rather than it being paid off to him, he was given back 20% of the club in shares hidden by others names. The way we are currently being run is not a million miles off how it was before under him.

What if Clem is Power's stooge as a man on the inside for the v Standing case.

Actually most likely in the CT (or is it) theory is Power was a fron man for someone, now Clem is.

If he was just a plumber trying his best I'd have massive sympathy. But every day makes that less and less likely,


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:30:08
"I won’t put up with bullshit. That’s how I am."

A producer not a consumer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:47:59
On the 2.9m vs 1.45m thing - he did make some sort of comment (at the time) in relation to that when trying to explain it all.  It was a rambling response and wasn't clear, I want to say it was one of the interviews rather than a news article, but could be wrong.

edit:  although he seems to have changed his tune on the details - he has previously implied the reason for the loan was the short time frame and getting money moved.  In the Forbes article he suggests he had half the money but not the rest.

On the short notice, I imagine this was indeed an output of the deal to provide the ground, not some written demand in the Debenture itself.   The Debentures would have been activated by the sudden arrival of an asset on the clubs books, as they were secured against any and all assets of the business.  They essentially became due - just as they could have been when he purchased the club as well.  Clem mentions previous owners - it could be Black, it could be Power, either way, both would have known it was pointless trying to recoup them on the sale to Clem, but the Ground is worth something.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 12:55:06
On the 2.9m vs 1.45m thing - he did make some sort of comment (at the time) in relation to that when trying to explain it all.  It was a rambling response and wasn't clear, I want to say it was one of the interviews rather than a news article, but could be wrong.

Yeah that sounds plausible.

It would reduce the value of the club to a sane level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:01:08
Some town fan on twitter is claiming it is them who is getting referred to in the article as the one Clem offering out, rather than Whelan et al. So lost - doesn't make sense given how the article is structured.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:01:56
On the short notice, I imagine this was indeed an output of the deal to provide the ground, not some written demand in the Debenture itself.   The Debentures would have been activated by the sudden arrival of an asset on the clubs books, as they were secured against any and all assets of the business.  They essentially became due - just as they could have been when he purchased the club as well.  Clem mentions previous owners - it could be Black, it could be Power, either way, both would have known it was pointless trying to recoup them on the sale to Clem, but the Ground is worth something.

I still suspect that paying off the debentures was simply a requirement imposed by the Eady Trust before they released the cash to buy the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:04:47
I still suspect that paying off the debentures was simply a requirement imposed by the Eady Trust before they released the cash to buy the ground.

Something you’d think the Trust could clear up…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:07:50
I still suspect that paying off the debentures was simply a requirement imposed by the Eady Trust before they released the cash to buy the ground.
That's where my head's at as well. And use the Lee Power boogeyman comment is an easy disguise for it all.

The person's entitled to the debentures has always remained as Black and Arbib. I know the regs changed in 2013, but is there a legal obligation for the person's entitled to the debenture to be kept up to date on Companies House?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:08:06
I like the bit where Clem says he is getting whatsapp etc from fans and he answers them - there cant be that many that have his personal number - although I suppose if you look hard enough you can find it considering he owns a business. clearly some fans somewhere trying to lick Clem's ar$e (other than the Trust)

He's due over in December - I'm sure he will be doing lots of media interviews and podcasts while he is here and holding a fan's forum to clear things up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:15:14
I find it interesting that are a few old trust board members on here from dark times under mikey D and their vitriol and lack of patience with Clem is quite a contrast to the current trust board members treading carefully policy.

Maybe we do need Yeo to storm the boardroom again in January :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:20:33
Something you’d think the Trust could clear up…

Rather depends, one would assume Clems ability (or not) to pay money off and/or who that money went to and why could be construed as commercially sensitive information and thus the Trust would be bound by the proviso's of the JV MoU.

Worth bearing in mind that there remain outstanding court proceedings relating to Power and Standing, and as a potentially associated transaction what is being said public would need to be very carefully managed and legaled.

Not saying its black of white (because I like literally everyone on here and other Sm has no fucking clue what's actually going on), but I suggest the Trust are operating under much more constraint (which they should be for simple diplomatic purpose) than many assume.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:27:04
Here’s a question: is Clem such a duff businessman that he didn’t get access to the accounts under Power, when he was a significant investor?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:27:32
So if we believe Clem paid half of the debenture and then raised the other half by borrowing from the gruesome twosome then, roughly, it’s not far off what Clem paid for his 15% from Power.

Clem pays £1.1m for 15%

Gruesome Twosome pays £1.45m for 22%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:28:34
Here’s a question: is Clem such a duff businessman that he didn’t get access to the accounts under Power, when he was a significant investor?
Seems a reasonable conclusion. It’s back of a fag packet stuff. Same goes for Standing.

Thus from the Trust in August re the debenture

‘ As the settlement of the debentures was critical to the Eady Trust releasing the funds to buy the County Ground, we would have expected the openness and transparency initially promised so that we were fully aware of the ownership structure of Swindon Town Football Club before entering the Joint Venture Agreement.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:35:25
So if we believe Clem paid half of the debenture and then raised the other half by borrowing from the gruesome twosome then, roughly, it’s not far off what Clem paid for his 15% from Power.

Clem pays £1.1m for 15%

Gruesome Twosome pays £1.45m for 22%

Makes the £15m asking price seem silly doesn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:39:02
But where did that come from? I think it was just surmised because we all thought Clem had borrowed the entire £2.9m to buy the debenture.

I’ve looked through stuff and, tbf, I couldn’t find a Clem Gem stating he borrowed the entire amount. He just said he had 3 days to pay it, didn’t have the money to hand and borrowed an amount.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:43:25
Makes the £15m asking price seem silly doesn't it?

The shares were sold pre asset purchase, so you could argue an increase in value of the business since that transaction.  The books will soon disclose two new Fixed Assets - 50% ownership of a JV business, which itself owns a football ground, and a 299 year lease.  Both will add some value - how much depends on a number of things, but other clubs have added several million when doing likewise.  The JV will produce it's own accounts, so should record it's own value as a result (sort of).  The Lease is entirely on STFC to determine a true and fair value, then depreciate it over the term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:45:33
But where did that come from? I think it was just surmised because we all thought Clem had borrowed the entire £2.9m to buy the debenture.

I’ve looked through stuff and, tbf, I couldn’t find a Clem Gem stating he borrowed the entire amount. He just said he had 3 days to pay it, didn’t have the money to hand and borrowed an amount.

What do the advisory board mins say, surely if Clem has paid half then the club "owes" an extra 1.5 mil ish to Clem


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:46:24
Makes the £15m asking price seem silly doesn't it?

Not really, its his toy he can say its worth whatever he wants. Stating the bleeding obvious, its market value is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it, if there are people properly interested hopefully they can sort a deal and we can all move on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 13:54:42
The Loathed Strangers Podcast on Twitter (I'm at work so can't access Twitter etc) shared something which is related to this -

https://nepeanfootball.com.au/2023/11/09/swindon-town-partnership/

It used a poster with Swindon Town International Academy and the old style 'ST' badge. Ex Blackburn Rovers player and Ex-Swindon Town Head Coach Gavin Gunning is going to be involved. The price is 299 Australian dollars for the weekend and apparently is $50 more expensive than a school term-based football development program that Liverpool FC offer. (Liverpool thrown in Kit as well)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 14:09:37
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-ffQxKXMAAj8Vk?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/LoathedStranger/status/1722590863702757543?t=2odB06KQFu9S-RfpZ8-y9Q&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 14:12:44
Thanks RP.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 14:18:40
But where did that come from? I think it was just surmised because we all thought Clem had borrowed the entire £2.9m to buy the debenture.

I’ve looked through stuff and, tbf, I couldn’t find a Clem Gem stating he borrowed the entire amount. He just said he had 3 days to pay it, didn’t have the money to hand and borrowed an amount.

I'm not sure I have read the exact amount before this but I always took it that Clem paid for some and borrowed money for the rest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 14:26:50
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-september-2023.-19.09.23.pdf

Page 11 describes the split of the money.  The entire answer comes with an overwhelming stench of BS though, because I cannot believe someone is actually that stupid (the general theme being used is that Clem keeps being "told" stuff by people that he just believes, and these people keep fucking up).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 14:31:13
There have been some obscure, some unclear statements regarding the debenture.

Thus from October last year

‘ Swindon Town can today confirm that all historic debentures, or debts secured against the football club under previous regimes, have now been paid off.

The move signals a huge step towards complete financial security for the football club, with £2.95million cleared by our owner, Clem Morfuni, with the help of our dedicated fans, sponsors and partners.’

You can interpret that last but as the fans/sponsors/partners helped out financially and I suppose, tbf, there’s not much else those 3 groups could help with apart from financially. Does ‘fans’ mean you and me or a couple of people associated with the club that can be described as fans.

This bit seems to suggest that only part if the £2.95m was borrowed.

Clem Gem

“I didn’t possess sufficient liquid funds at the time to settle the entire sum at such short notice while also addressing the substantial inherited debt.

“Money was borrowed from two individuals that I reached out to and shares in the club were utilised as security for the loan as virtually all my assets are in Australia.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 14:47:18
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-ffQxKXMAAj8Vk?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/LoathedStranger/status/1722590863702757543?t=2odB06KQFu9S-RfpZ8-y9Q&s=19

Is Gav Gunning being held hostage? Seems a hell of a demotion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 15:09:18
Is Gav Gunning being held hostage? Seems a hell of a demotion.

Different badge - is that because STFC's involvement is with a different business that's not the official football club?

Wonder how Gav is being paid for this...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 15:10:57
Or they’ve got a heap of old kit with the old logo on to flog off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 15:15:56
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-september-2023.-19.09.23.pdf

Page 11 describes the split of the money.  The entire answer comes with an overwhelming stench of BS though, because I cannot believe someone is actually that stupid (the general theme being used is that Clem keeps being "told" stuff by people that he just believes, and these people keep fucking up).

Someone has pointed out that had Power bought the Debentures from Black/Arbib for 1 million quid there would have been something on Companies House. The only thing on CH, is that the Debentures show as 'satisfied' in September 2022. I assume that had Power done what was alleged, that would have been reflected somehow in the charges section on CH?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 15:17:23
Or they’ve got a heap of old kit with the old logo on to flog off.

From the 80s?

Well Jed did apparently discover a debt from the 50s.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 16:21:09
Some town fan on twitter is claiming it is them who is getting referred to in the article as the one Clem offering out, rather than Whelan et al. So lost - doesn't make sense given how the article is structured.

Who?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 16:27:32
Who?
They've since deleted their post from the looks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 16:34:17
Someone else reckons Flynn’s contract extension was to keep him sweet until next season with a promise of more budget with a new owner!

I’ll believe this one!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 17:36:23
Someone else reckons Flynn’s contract extension was to keep him sweet until next season with a promise of more budget with a new owner!

I’ll believe this one!

Yeah that one sounds pretty likely.

Makes it sound like Clem is confident getting somewhere in the same stratosphere as his asking price though, which I'm doubtful of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 17:49:58
Pinched from another forum



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:04:04
Someone else reckons Flynn’s contract extension was to keep him sweet until next season with a promise of more budget with a new owner!

I’ll believe this one!
Would a new owner actually want Flynn, even with all the shit going on he isn’t exactly excelling and was sacked from a fellow L2 club last season for similar. Guess it’s just to secure any pay off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:38:44
Pay off or Play Off!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:47:31
Harrogate and Sutton with a higher wage budget than STFC.

Fantastic to see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:49:38
We can’t compete with giants like that unless everyone digs and and buys more season tickets and shirts guys. Come on, Clem is just one man. He’s doing his best. At least we’ve got a club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:51:16
Would a new owner actually want Flynn, even with all the shit going on he isn’t exactly excelling and was sacked from a fellow L2 club last season for similar. Guess it’s just to secure any pay off.
I think Flynn is continuity into new ownership whilst they work out how much debenture they owe various previous owners, various wives of notable people around the club or how much of a ground they own.
Plus Flynn's playing along line quite nicely for the club, might as well get some reward


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:51:37
We can’t compete with giants like that unless everyone digs and and buys more season tickets and shirts guys. Come one, Clem is just one man. He’s doing his best. At least we’ve got a club.
Pls don't ask for a refund


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 18:56:45
Pls don't ask for a refund

Or if you do, expect a call from Rob and Clem.

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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:09:50
Harrogate and Sutton with a higher wage budget than STFC.

Fantastic to see.

Where’s this from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:14:51
Audrey's post at 17:49:58


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:15:07
Just saw a comment that swindon fans are expecting too much with instant success, need to steady the ship and slowly rebuild. Made me think that there may be a point to it, I wonder how it would have gone down though if Clem had said that’s the aim over the next few years. Would it have reduced season ticket sales? Probably. But in 3/4 years time we may have found ourselves to be in a better position than we are now…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:15:34
Harrogate and Sutton with a higher wage budget than STFC.

Fantastic to see.

Easy, Sutton have to pay London Weighted wages.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:16:40
Didnt think of that to be honest, good point.

Harrogate i am miffed by.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:19:51
I wouldn’t take all those budgets at face value, though. It’s really just a collection of wage data from this site. Can’t believe even Clem is only paying the scholars £50pw!

https://salarysport.com/football/#sky-bet-league-two


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:21:19
Just saw a comment that swindon fans are expecting too much with instant success, need to steady the ship and slowly rebuild. Made me think that there may be a point to it, I wonder how it would have gone down though if Clem had said that’s the aim over the next few years. Would it have reduced season ticket sales? Probably. But in 3/4 years time we may have found ourselves to be in a better position than we are now…
I know I for one would be absolutely fine with it, as long as the long term vision and how they get there is clearly explained and it's actions as well as words. Think the problem we've faced is that we've never had anyone like that. Clem briefly mentions things like Championship, but with no clear view on how to get there. They had some brief strategy of sort last season to try and replicate Brentford etc under Sandro and they chucked that project under the bus after barely 9 months due to the poor execution of that project.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:23:31
There are some things an owner can promise and deliver on, but success on the pitch - no matter the size of budget - can be guaranteed.

Should stick to those things he can control, everything else is in the lap of the gods.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:49:23
If you look at our boardroom (such as it is...), club hierarchy and backroom staff I see zero evidence other than Jamie Russell that Clem is putting anything like the right foundations in place to run a successful football club. The CEO, aside from never having been a CEO before, has never worked at a football club before! We are not owned by serious people. We don't need to give Clem time, as on the current trajectory, all that time is likely to bring is an annual local derby against Cirencester Town.

The "give him time" brigade are the less zealous, non-evangelical wing of the Cult.

He's been at the club since 2018...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:54:09
Quote from: JoeMezz
Just saw a comment that swindon fans are expecting too much with instant success, need to steady the ship and slowly rebuild. Made me think that there may be a point to it, I wonder how it would have gone down though if Clem had said that’s the aim over the next few years. Would it have reduced season ticket sales? Probably. But in 3/4 years time we may have found ourselves to be in a better position than we are now…

if you trust Clem and trust everything is above board and every penny is going to the benefit of the club - absolutely.

I no longer believe this. I don't have any evidence. I'm not itk.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 20:02:54
if you trust Clem and trust everything is above board and every penny is going to the benefit of the club - absolutely.

I no longer believe this. I don't have any evidence. I'm not itk.

Exactly - I don’t agree with Clem at all, my point was IF the board knew what they were doing but it felt like slow but steady progress I think majority of fans would be fine. The issue is over promising on things short-term which we all can sniff out as BS.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 20:04:34
Exactly - I don’t agree with Clem at all, my point was IF the board knew what they were doing but it felt like slow but steady progress I think majority of fans would be fine. The issue is over promising on things short-term which we all can sniff out as BS.

Just a reminder that 'the board' is Clem Morfuni.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 20:12:15
It’s going to be a ‘Sack the Board’ Saturday isn’t it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 20:20:04
It’s going to be a ‘Sack the Board’ Saturday isn’t it.

Don't think the fan base get riled up any more


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 20:56:32
It’s going to be a ‘Sack the Board’ Saturday isn’t it.

A most pointless chant at the best of times, let alone when aimed at an owner thousands of miles away.

Not that I'd advocate it, but it would be better to stage a mass walkout to at least demonstrate a number of fans realize what is actually occurring behind the scenes. About time some of the fanbase flexed their limited muscles to make a stand and possibly try to force a change.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 20:59:56
It has to be the banner flying over the county ground during the game :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 21:57:47
https://twitter.com/bobbyang73/likes

Rob Angus liking the Price of Football Podcast featuring Clem...

I wonder at what point in the story arc realisation set in? It's a bit galling to see him cocking an eyebrow at the shitshow like this when he was sat at the top table a couple of months ago, and was a prime mover in the takeover and everything that has happened since.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 22:37:16
It has to be the banner flying over the county ground during the game :D

Drones are the way forward…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 22:43:37

Not that I'd advocate it, but it would be better to stage a mass walkout
We had one of those on Saturday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 23:58:33
Pinched from another forum



Jesus wept.

Fucking Grimsby and all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 10, 2023, 00:02:27
Just saw a comment that swindon fans are expecting too much with instant success, need to steady the ship and slowly rebuild. Made me think that there may be a point to it, I wonder how it would have gone down though if Clem had said that’s the aim over the next few years. Would it have reduced season ticket sales? Probably. But in 3/4 years time we may have found ourselves to be in a better position than we are now…

How and why?

Why should he not expect to have a higher wage budget than Sutton, Grimsby and Harrogate given the obvious revenue differences?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 10, 2023, 00:05:34
if you trust Clem and trust everything is above board and every penny is going to the benefit of the club - absolutely.

I no longer believe this. I don't have any evidence. I'm not itk.

This.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, November 10, 2023, 07:08:44
Didnt think of that to be honest, good point.

Harrogate i am miffed by.

It was a joke really but there may be some truth in that, however, look at their gates. Other income won’t be much different surely? There must be money coming in from other sources AKA Dale Vince @ FGR via Ecotricity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 10, 2023, 07:13:27
It was a joke really but there may be some truth in that, however, look at their gates. Other income won’t be much different surely? There must be money coming in from other sources AKA Dale Vince @ FGR via Ecotricity.

I mean if they are paying London weighted wages are they also receiving London weighted sponsorships?
I assume they don’t charge London weighted (season) ticket prices?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 10, 2023, 07:39:29
I can't believe people are convincing themselves that Sutton have a bigger wage bill than us because they are paying London weighted wages!

The point is that with our revenue vs their revenue we should be outspending them, end of story.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 10, 2023, 07:44:10
Never trusted this “Group” from day one.
Absolute shambles and lies.
Knew from day one about the budgets and certain details not for open forum discussion.

The reason why I laughed at the “competitive budget” statement absolute bull shit.
We are low end League Two and have been since his tenure.
Not a pot to piss in and panic has set in commercially now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 10, 2023, 07:45:41
Never trusted this “Group” from day one.
Absolute shambles and lies.
Knew from day one about the budgets and certain details not for open forum discussion.

The reason why I laughed at the “competitive budget” statement absolute bull shit.
We are low end League Two and have been since his tenure.
Not a pot to piss in and panic has set in commercially now.

How do you see it playing out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 10, 2023, 08:55:41
How do you see it playing out?

Very concerning and can only hope common sense prevails and this lot leave with a small comfort of respect. A takeover happens and we can move on once more in our history.
Two major concerns the selling price and who actually owns what and what will they want out of any potential sale.
Getting to the point now where I can see Clem wanting out but who else will have a say?

Only hope that we don’t get points deductions.
Immediate concerns are whether bills are being paid, hearing all sorts but the rumour mill is bursting.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:05:15
Pinched from another forum



If we humour this and say that it is true, (at this stage it's difficult to tell the difference between fact and fiction) then surely it's very concerning that Clem is putting in 250k in November to aid cash flow. The biggest outgoing is the player wages I assume? So if our income is circa 6-7m (can't remember the exact figure) then deducting the players wage outgoing of 2m leaves 4-5m. Clearly there are other costs to deduct, but would these accumulated costs be more than 4-5m per year?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:09:54
And that is the problem. Nobody knows where the money goes. Perhaps Zavier Austin might know. He’s good with money isn’t he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:10:21
If we humour this and say that it is true, (at this stage it's difficult to tell the difference between fact and fiction) then surely it's very concerning that Clem is putting in 250k in November to aid cash flow. The biggest outgoing is the player wages I assume? So if our income is circa 6-7m (can't remember the exact figure) then deducting the players wage outgoing of 2m leaves 4-5m. Clearly there are other costs to deduct, but would these accumulated costs be more than 4-5m per year?


Bingo... somebody is doing alright out of us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:12:44
Heard a rumour that the Council told the club that the roof in the Arkells stand needed emergency work this summer, £250k. Anybody else heard that and whether that affected the ability to afford players?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:16:38
Heard a rumour that the Council told the club that the roof in the Arkells stand needed emergency work this summer, £250k. Anybody else heard that and whether that affected the ability to afford players?

Only what was said in the statement
Quote
The club pay rental to the JV which is then paid back to the club and reinvested to fix the stadium which is being carried out progressively which we have reported on in the Advisory board meeting minutes and the current spend this close season was +£200K.

Not clear if rent savings paid for most of that, or if 200K was above it.

If we've sacrificed players by necessity to do the repairs - why are we needing 250K in November?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:17:10
Heard a rumour that the Council told the club that the roof in the Arkells stand needed emergency work this summer, £250k. Anybody else heard that and whether that affected the ability to afford players?

If so, why not tell us?

This is the sort of thing that the Trust should be telling us about as 'normal business.' There is a County Ground Community Fund that people are paying into. What is happening to that money?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:17:41
Also - if true why not come out and say this? Surely fans will understand if the Arkells roof requires work and requires money on it? Why try and hide it? (if true)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:18:55
Very concerning and can only hope common sense prevails and this lot leave with a small comfort of respect. A takeover happens and we can move on once more in our history.
Two major concerns the selling price and who actually owns what and what will they want out of any potential sale.
Getting to the point now where I can see Clem wanting out but who else will have a say?

Only hope that we don’t get points deductions.
Immediate concerns are whether bills are being paid, hearing all sorts but the rumour mill is bursting.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride though.


Points deduction is the Kraken beneath the surface here. Couple that with the owner(s) pulling the plug and we can all start planning our away day to Wealdstone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:20:18
Also - if true why not come out and say this? Surely fans will understand if the Arkells roof requires work and requires money on it? Why try and hide it? (if true)

These were my thoughts too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:22:39
Very concerning and can only hope common sense prevails and this lot leave with a small comfort of respect. A takeover happens and we can move on once more in our history.
Two major concerns the selling price and who actually owns what and what will they want out of any potential sale.
Getting to the point now where I can see Clem wanting out but who else will have a say?

Only hope that we don’t get points deductions.
Immediate concerns are whether bills are being paid, hearing all sorts but the rumour mill is bursting.

It’s going to be a bumpy ride though.


What part of the shenanigans could potentially lead to points deductions DOB out of interest?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:23:26
What part of the shenanigans could potentially lead to points deductions DOB out of interest?

Not paying players on time I think comes with a suspended points deduction so two months without it being on time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:25:05
Seven years since one the biggest appointments the club has made...

(https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/contentassets/7c140cd75dc449e89ba6fecb05c56da4/sherwood-arrival-feature247-3411671_1600x900/Large)

WHEN WILL THIS SHIT END?!






Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:26:08
Not paying players on time I think comes with a suspended points deduction so two months without it being on time
The non-disclosure of persons of significant control and share transfers is also possibly punishable by ponts deduction. If so, again I'd imagine it will be suspended.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:31:59
Heard a rumour that the Council told the club that the roof in the Arkells stand needed emergency work this summer, £250k. Anybody else heard that and whether that affected the ability to afford players?

wasn't it common knowledge that the safety certificate threw up some requirements to spend cash on the ground or did I imagine that, can't see under any other proviso the Council would have the resource or inclination to inspect and then say 'x' needs doing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:33:02
I’ve sorted my protest.

I’m buying satsumas thus Xmas not clementines


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:58:28
Not paying players on time I think comes with a suspended points deduction so two months without it being on time

We already have a suspended points deduction pending don't we?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:09:17
Will be interesting to see if the Bank is open for Wrexham on Boxing Day, wouldn’t be surprised if that’s been secretly condemned and it’s just not publicised. Seemed odd Aldershot weren’t offered it on Saturday after selling their Arkell’s allocation as they are entitled to 15% of the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:12:22
Don’t the away club have to ask for more tickets?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:15:00
We already have a suspended points deduction pending don't we?

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/september/efl-statement-swindon-town/

• A suspended three points deduction to be immediately activated in the event that the Club breaches Regulation 63.7 on or before 30 June 2022.

Now lapsed by the look of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:17:50
I can't believe people are convincing themselves that Sutton have a bigger wage bill than us because they are paying London weighted wages!

The point is that with our revenue vs their revenue we should be outspending them, end of story.

No one is ‘convincing themselves’ people are just pondering the hypothetical possibility that location may effect wages.

What’s our revenue like compared with Suttons?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:20:30
That whole list of expenditure is made up from guesswork though. So what's the point in specifics.

Wet finger in the air is as good a gauge - and it doesn't seem ridiculous we are down the list.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:22:56
https://www.efl.com/news/2021/september/efl-statement-swindon-town/

• A suspended three points deduction to be immediately activated in the event that the Club breaches Regulation 63.7 on or before 30 June 2022.

Now lapsed by the look of it.

Yeah it seems the issue was on June 2021 and lapsed in June 2022.

"The EFL received an allegation that the Club failed to pay its Players in respect of the month of
June 2021 and as such failed to strictly adhere to the terms of each Player’s contract"

"a suspended 3-point deduction to be immediately activated in the event that the Club
breaches Regulation 63.7 on or before 30 June 2022;"

If true and the October wages were paid on 31st October (albeit late) I assume we're all good rules wise? (for now)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:25:43
If we humour this and say that it is true, (at this stage it's difficult to tell the difference between fact and fiction) then surely it's very concerning that Clem is putting in 250k in November to aid cash flow. The biggest outgoing is the player wages I assume? So if our income is circa 6-7m (can't remember the exact figure) then deducting the players wage outgoing of 2m leaves 4-5m. Clearly there are other costs to deduct, but would these accumulated costs be more than 4-5m per year?
I’d assume you could get a fair idea from the last set of published accounts. £5m is a hefty amount to spend once wages are already taken care of.

Just looked turnover £6.4m and whatever admin costs are £2.3m which needs to be broken down.

This is what is on the gov.uk site

‘ HMASAC2300 - Accounts: What are the types of Administrative Expenses as presented in the accounts?

This will include all expenses incurred by the business, not included in the trading account, examples given below:

Directors remuneration, i.e. wage/salary
Staff wages
Rent/rates
Utilities
Audit fees/tax advice
Miscellaneous expenses

So, wages could be part of that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:46:57
I’ll cling onto hope that the reason that every possible cost has been stripped out of the club is to make it a more attractive acquisition for a credible buyer.

Sadly not paying debts (if true) doesn’t quite stack up with that hope though.

If Morfuni and co won’t fund the club, then what on earth is their objective? What’s in it for them unless they’re readying for an exit? You either fund and stay, or realise you can’t fund it and exit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:50:59
I’ll cling onto hope that the reason that every possible cost has been stripped out of the club is to make it a more attractive acquisition for a credible buyer.

Sadly not paying debts (if true) doesn’t quite stack up with that hope though.

If Morfuni and co won’t fund the club, then what on earth is their objective? What’s in it for them unless they’re readying for an exit? You either fund and stay, or realise you can’t fund it and exit.

…you can only exit if you’ve got someone who wants to buy…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:56:58
Points deduction is the Kraken beneath the surface here. Couple that with the owner(s) pulling the plug and we can all start planning our away day to Wealdstone.

You want some?  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 10, 2023, 10:57:59
…you can only exit if you’ve got someone who wants to buy…
And someone who wants to sell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 10, 2023, 11:12:38
I mean logically speaking if you’re running a business that you can’t afford to run and have to continually plug & you’re the main person they owe money to; then you’d be open selling right?

You’d get rid of the business, wouldn’t have to keep plugging the gaps and you’d get x amount back as part of the sale & probably continue to get small instalments for the next few years (assume hypothetical new owner doesn’t pay off all the debt owed to club as part of the purchase)

I know Clem has said it’s not for sale but I assume that’s just as likely to be him playing hard ball.

Unless he (thinks) he can turn over a hefty profit from Stadium renovations - then what else is there in it for him?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 10, 2023, 11:18:12
I mean logically speaking if you’re running a business that you can’t afford to run and have to continually plug & you’re the main person they owe money to; then you’d be open selling right?

You’d get rid of the business, wouldn’t have to keep plugging the gaps and you’d get x amount back as part of the sale & probably continue to get small instalments for the next few years (assume hypothetical new owner doesn’t pay off all the debt owed to club as part of the purchase)

I know Clem has said it’s not for sale but I assume that’s just as likely to be him playing hard ball.

Unless he (thinks) he can turn over a hefty profit from Stadium renovations - then what else is there in it for him?
That does depend on if you believe everything Clem says, or even part of what Clem says.

He says he doesnt want to sell and that the club is not for sale, or, maybe this also, is a lie?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 10, 2023, 11:25:09
That does depend on if you believe everything Clem says, or even part of what Clem says.

He says he doesnt want to sell and that the club is not for sale, or, maybe this also, is a lie?

I think in reality everything is for sale for the right price.

My house isn’t for sale but if someone offered me good money for it - I’d sell it….

…now if my house was also out of my price range and needed some serious renovation; I’d jump at a, decent offer…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, November 10, 2023, 11:26:30
I wouldn’t take all those budgets at face value, though. It’s really just a collection of wage data from this site. Can’t believe even Clem is only paying the scholars £50pw!

https://salarysport.com/football/#sky-bet-league-two
I'm not convinced by the these numbers.

It includes players in on loan but it's not clear if that is the amount the loaning club pays or the wage of the player at his parent club.. 
It also excludes players loaned out, so Aguiar and Adoloye and you would assume we are paying some of those.

Some of the wages of the loaned in players may be quite big and distort the figures.   
All 3 of Sutton's top earners on the list are loans for example


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 10, 2023, 11:33:12
I'm not convinced by the these numbers.

It includes players in on loan but it's not clear if that is the amount the loaning club pays or the wage of the player at his parent club.. 
It also excludes players loaned out, so Aguiar and Adoloye and you would assume we are paying some of those.

Some if the wages of the loaned in players may be quite big and distort the figures.   
All 3 of Sutton's top earners on the list are loans for example

Walsall’s top earner is on £5.2k a week but also on loan from Wolves…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 10, 2023, 11:36:04
I think in reality everything is for sale for the right price.

My house isn’t for sale but if someone offered me good money for it - I’d sell it….

…now if my house was also out of my price range and needed some serious renovation; I’d jump at a, decent offer…

This, plus in terms of your earlier post I think basic business logic seems to fly out the window when football clubs are involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 10, 2023, 13:28:06
Regardless of Horlocks knowledge of the industry, I still would bet good money that Clem's in this for the ground as he always was from the start.  There are certainly ways to lose good money in football, but we  also know there are ways to extract money as well, and none of it needing to be illegal.  It's surely why some of the hangers on are hanging on.  Zav using the club as a Trojan Horse for a Visa business for example.  The partnership with the Aussie private Academy looks a bit weird as well - it's not us setting up some talent pool, it's us partnering with a well established local Academy that basically runs local youth football leagues.  Thus far the only output from that appears to be us sending Gav Gunning to watch the kids play for two days and charging the parents 299 AUSD for the privilege.

There is basically a lot of stuff that makes no real sense to the outside observer, but likely earns someone a few quid here and there.  The ground development gets Axis some money back, maybe they never come out of this the way Clem wanted, but he's been moving money around his businesses for a while to keep the lights on it seems.   Nothing in the public domain suggests a booming business, quite the opposite.  There has been an awful lot of "restructuring", or liquidations, whichever word you fancy.  The ground maybe a way into a new market to keep that business going, use it as marketing material as it's been a while since they were involved in the Spurs toilets for example.

Take yourself back to September 2022, and Clem is faced with two options.  Find 2.9m quick sharpish to enable the Eady Trust to buy the ground, give his business half and lease his business the full asset for 299 years at half the current rate of rent, or pull out of the deal, say the club can't afford it.  That was an option, he did not need to proceed.  The Debenture was either called in or forced to be cleared because of the asset transfer.  If the club did not take the asset, the Debenture remains worthless, in terms of what anyone could really get if they tried to force repayment.

To proceed means that asset transfer was the potential payoff - we had to have it, because the strategy from there on relied on it.  It created more confusion in ownership and muddied the financial waters, but Clem is all in on the sunk cost fallacy right now (if Horlock is right).  Rather than cut your losses and bail, he's had to go all in.  Now he just needs to find a way of surviving until contracts can be drawn-up, or someone buys into the potential and takes it off his hands.  I think he would prefer to have Axis sewn-up in the deal either way.

That's all opinion, based on some fact, and I could be very wrong.  But it just feels more likely than not right now.  Nothing is being invested in for the long term future of the football club, we are changing recruitment strategy mid season, let alone from season to season, which would be bad enough.  Everything just has the smell of gambling, panic, reacting - nothing looks well planned.  I mean, if running a football club for the long term was the plan, a CEO would be onboard who knows how to run a football club.  Even though he BS's quite a bit, I don't doubt Clem when he says it's hard work, especially while abroad.  All the more reason you appoint someone who knows their arse from the elbow.  He can still have his Axis team involved, on the Board, to oversee the ground development.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, November 10, 2023, 13:33:59
Given takeover talk is all the rage at the moment, rumours have broke this morning that Shrewsbury Town are in talks with 2 different consortia -  one domestic and the other Scandinavian. Shrews from the outside have appeared well ran and backed, yet their fans have been quite toxic about their owner, who's also a fan.

Carlisle also in prolonged talks with a wealthy Floridian.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 10, 2023, 13:41:40
Was always the plan. From 2014

‘ FOOTBALL: Swindon Chairman Lee Power tells BBC Wiltshire he's in talks with an Australian firm over potentially developing the County Ground’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 10, 2023, 13:53:49
Given takeover talk is all the rage at the moment, rumours have broke this morning that Shrewsbury Town are in talks with 2 different consortia -  one domestic and the other Scandinavian. Shrews from the outside have appeared well ran and backed, yet their fans have been quite toxic about their owner, who's also a fan.

Carlisle also in prolonged talks with a wealthy Floridian.

Buyers are ten a plenty, its just who isn't it?

The "who would buy the club" people are idiots, but they're right, just not in the way they think they are. They think there would be no buyers out there, there will be plenty interested.....its just who do we end up with and if Clems asking price will scare the decent ones away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 10, 2023, 13:58:34
Regardless of Horlocks knowledge of the industry, I still would bet good money that Clem's in this for the ground as he always was from the start.  There are certainly ways to lose good money in football, but we  also know there are ways to extract money as well, and none of it needing to be illegal.  It's surely why some of the hangers on are hanging on.  Zav using the club as a Trojan Horse for a Visa business for example.  The partnership with the Aussie private Academy looks a bit weird as well - it's not us setting up some talent pool, it's us partnering with a well established local Academy that basically runs local youth football leagues.  Thus far the only output from that appears to be us sending Gav Gunning to watch the kids play for two days and charging the parents 299 AUSD for the privilege.

There is basically a lot of stuff that makes no real sense to the outside observer, but likely earns someone a few quid here and there.  The ground development gets Axis some money back, maybe they never come out of this the way Clem wanted, but he's been moving money around his businesses for a while to keep the lights on it seems.   Nothing in the public domain suggests a booming business, quite the opposite.  There has been an awful lot of "restructuring", or liquidations, whichever word you fancy.  The ground maybe a way into a new market to keep that business going, use it as marketing material as it's been a while since they were involved in the Spurs toilets for example.

Take yourself back to September 2022, and Clem is faced with two options.  Find 2.9m quick sharpish to enable the Eady Trust to buy the ground, give his business half and lease his business the full asset for 299 years at half the current rate of rent, or pull out of the deal, say the club can't afford it.  That was an option, he did not need to proceed.  The Debenture was either called in or forced to be cleared because of the asset transfer.  If the club did not take the asset, the Debenture remains worthless, in terms of what anyone could really get if they tried to force repayment.

To proceed means that asset transfer was the potential payoff - we had to have it, because the strategy from there on relied on it.  It created more confusion in ownership and muddied the financial waters, but Clem is all in on the sunk cost fallacy right now (if Horlock is right).  Rather than cut your losses and bail, he's had to go all in.  Now he just needs to find a way of surviving until contracts can be drawn-up, or someone buys into the potential and takes it off his hands.  I think he would prefer to have Axis sewn-up in the deal either way.

That's all opinion, based on some fact, and I could be very wrong.  But it just feels more likely than not right now.  Nothing is being invested in for the long term future of the football club, we are changing recruitment strategy mid season, let alone from season to season, which would be bad enough.  Everything just has the smell of gambling, panic, reacting - nothing looks well planned.  I mean, if running a football club for the long term was the plan, a CEO would be onboard who knows how to run a football club.  Even though he BS's quite a bit, I don't doubt Clem when he says it's hard work, especially while abroad.  All the more reason you appoint someone who knows their arse from the elbow.  He can still have his Axis team involved, on the Board, to oversee the ground development.

Just for clarity I have never doubted that such an approach MAY be Clems plan, what I have doubted and will continue to doubt is whether its going to remotely deliver what he wants or needs it to (and with the market at the moment, the chances of even that diminish strongly by the day!)

Much as with the stream of chancers/lack of pot pissers/dreamers we have attached for the last 30 odd years, yes you may be able to make a few quid, get a nice tie and visitors badge and get to lease a decent motor, but for what they have invested (where they have invested) there are a plethora of ways to make money a hell of a lot easier than owning/running a two bit lower league football club with a shite load of baggage.

Power got bloody close with the whole training ground + housing scheme (which I have a grudging professional admiration for) but even then he fell at the very last hurdle (no pun intended) for reasons unknown (all I can assume that the failure to sign the s.106 which would have forced it over the line to consent was down to the ownership issues with Standing/Clem which were emerging).

If anyone has a few quid to spare it would be very interesting to get a copy of the entry on the register for the CG site (to see what covenants are on there now Goddard + Eady maybe??) plus the entry for the training ground site to see who owns that now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 10, 2023, 14:27:13
Carlisle also in prolonged talks with a wealthy Floridian.

A genuine Mickey Mouse consortium!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, November 10, 2023, 14:30:37
Power had planned for Twelve Oaks to have a training ground, racing stables and a small 'luxury' housing estate adjoining which had narrow approval, subject to £600k surcharge for no affordable homes. Quick Google suggests it never developed beyond the agreement, seem to remember an outright refusal/revote around the takeover time? It looks like the land is up for grabs still, many residents resisting housing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, November 10, 2023, 14:43:58

Much as with the stream of chancers/lack of pot pissers/dreamers we have attached for the last 30 odd years, yes you may be able to make a few quid, get a nice tie and visitors badge and get to lease a decent motor, but for what they have invested (where they have invested) there are a plethora of ways to make money a hell of a lot easier than owning/running a two bit lower league football club with a shite load of baggage.


This is it in a nutshell though, isn't it?

The world of football attracts ego's, people who think they can play the game and win, willing to take otherwise bizarre gambles with money.  The secret world of money moving enables those people to be less than opaque, even if not criminal, they are often a bit dodgy.

Why would Clem be any different?  Why wouldn't he be an ego, who thought he could get a trophy for his business at the same time?  He probably got stuck here longer than he thought he would need to be - ego's always think they'll get it sorted quickly.  He ended-up having to buy the damned business to keep the gamble alive.

Yes, there are much easier ways of making money, which some sensible people do.  That doesn't stop people investing money in football.  I mean, in reality, very few clubs make any sort of profit, but there are plenty of people eating prawns at games as Roy would say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 10, 2023, 15:01:52
I’ve always said that lower league clubs are ripe vehicles for ‘off the books’ dealings. But to run a small club sustainably won’t make any owner rich.

These are the same arguments we had under Power - people were questioning how he could make money by owning us ergo he’s not a crook.

I’m not sure what the answer is for long term ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 10, 2023, 15:20:21
These are the same arguments we had under Power - people were questioning how he could make money by owning us ergo he’s not a crook.


Not comment on whether he or anyone else is a crook, however from my point of view my opinion has been all along throughout the last 30 years that if you want to make money there are a darn sight easier ways to do it, ways where if you do an internet search of your name subsequently google doesn't suggest .... 'is a cunt' within the search box after you type your name.

I’m not sure what the answer is for long term ownership.

Generally the answer seems to be 'getting lucky' which we have never really managed, even Black's tenure turned out to be a bit of a shamble in the long term.

As with SSW, then Black, then Jed, then Power and now Clem there seems to be a recurring theme within our fan base (possibly all fan bases) that the next owner will be the panacea to all our woes, sadly I don't think the world works like that and there is nothing that I can see to suggest any new owner will be any better than Morfuni in terms of pots to piss in, no perspective purchaser has broken cover on his big white horse.

No doubt were Clem to whack up the for sale sign (hopefully without another fire sale scenario), there are potential owners out there but I would be very cynical as to their motives and means TBH.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 10, 2023, 15:40:20
Even if you or me win the lottery and decided to buy the club it’s always going to be the subsequent new owner that’s the problem. Maybe the German model of ownership is the model 50/50+1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:22:48
It would appear that the club are selling hotel packages with a ticket in the DRS included for the Wrexham game. Tickets have been taken out of the available inventory for that purpose. So, in essence, the club are selling DRS tickets to away fans. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:50:00
They're not expressly selling tickets to away fans, but they could end up in the hands of away fans.


edited - because i am a boob


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:51:58
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/hospitality-at-leonardo-hotels/

This one aye? It looks like 3 blocks are unavailable to buy in the DRS middle for the Wrexham game.

https://www.eticketing.co.uk/swindontown/EDP/Event/Index/811?position=6


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:52:31
If the club are opening the Bank I can’t see away fans buying a hotel package just to get a ticket.

What hotels are they using?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:53:03
They're not expressly selling tickets to away fans, but they could end up in the hands of away fans.
Do we know there aren't ringfenced seats in the away "end" that could be used alongside a lovely night in the Leonardo hotel AND a match programme?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/hospitality-at-leonardo-hotels/

It doesn't say owt about ticket location or home/away here

Not expressly but it doesn't take the brains of a rocket scientist to work out what is going on here. Also no mention of "home fans only" which I'm surprised isn't a legal requirement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:54:08
Well that is wierd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:54:58
Are Wrexham likely to sell out 3,300 assuming the bank hasn't been quietly condemned?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:55:02
Not expressly but it doesn't take the brains of a rocket scientist to work out what is going on here. Also no mention of "home fans only" which I'm surprised isn't a legal requirement.
Yeah i'd assume the chief steward and the fuzz might want to have a chat about what efforts are in place to separate the fans


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:55:05
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/hospitality-at-leonardo-hotels/

This one aye? It looks like 3 blocks are unavailable to buy in the DRS middle for the Wrexham game.

https://www.eticketing.co.uk/swindontown/EDP/Event/Index/811?position=6
Blimey. They ain’t cheap. £150 for 1 night B&B, plus dinner + ticket.

How many seats do 3 blocks take up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:56:36
"Non-room packages are available on request and starting from £62.50 plus VAT."

So you get a breakfast, a programme, a team sheet and a match ticket? That's some mark up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 11:58:13
Didn’t notice the plus VAT bit. £27 for a ticket so £35 for a breakfast.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:00:50
Don't worry, I'm sure the trust will be along so advise the club on the best ticket price strategy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:01:43
Unless they're planning on getting the boxes in the DRS by boxing day.

Hehe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:04:14
Don't worry, I'm sure the trust will be along so advise the club on the best ticket price strategy

£75 for a DRS ticket, bit of a grub and a match ticket but don't dare ask us to put out a full match day squad without raiding the youth team.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:05:32
If the club are opening the Bank I can’t see away fans buying a hotel package just to get a ticket.

What hotels are they using?

The previous Jury's Inn near the CG, now Leonardo Hotels, by the looks of it.

Makes sense to try and make some extra money from the Wrexham game with their wider interest I suppose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:05:37
3 blocks. What if the take up is negligible. Will those seats be left empty. Will it need segregating? If yes, there’s no way of segregating the DRS concourse.

It’ll be like that Millwall League Cup Quarter Final. Carnage!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:05:55
£75 for a DRS ticket, bit of a grub and a match ticket but don't dare ask us to put out a full match day squad without raiding the youth team.

*Josh Umerah's fee and wages aren't going to pay themselves

* Other shit, uninspiring players are available within uncompetitive budget prices.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:07:10
Most clubs have a very clear zero tolerance policy on away fans in home stands.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:09:02
The previous Jury's Inn near the CG, now Leonardo Hotels, by the looks of it.

Makes sense to try and make some extra money from the Wrexham game with their wider interest I suppose.

Not if it endangers people. Families in the DRS and the Wrexham firm decide to buy these tickets for a dust up... It's avaricious and shows no regard for our fans. A perfect parable of the Morfuni era.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:10:47
What local fans are going to be interested anyway.

So,  there’s 3 blocks that have zero ST holders.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:11:50
Wrexham haven't got STFC away tickets on their website at the moment.
I think this is likely to be a case of squeezing what they can from out of town Town fans rather than selling the tickets to Wrexham fans.
Payment would need to be made and an address given, you'd hope that some rigour went into the person taking the payment if their address is: 12 Jones street, Wrexham


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:13:03
Most clubs have a very clear zero tolerance policy on away fans in home stands.

But......its Swindon Town.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:13:31
Wrexham haven't got STFC away tickets on their website at the moment.
I think this is likely to be a case of squeezing what they can from out of town Town fans rather than selling the tickets to Wrexham fans.
Payment would need to be made and an address given, you'd hope that some rigour went into the person taking the payment if their address is: 12 Jones street, Wrexham

Are Swindon fans really going to be staying in hotels for a home game? Granted we do have out of town fans that may be interested but surely this is aimed more at Wrexham fans?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:15:42
Wrexham haven't got STFC away tickets on their website at the moment.
I think this is likely to be a case of squeezing what they can from out of town Town fans rather than selling the tickets to Wrexham fans.
Payment would need to be made and an address given, you'd hope that some rigour went into the person taking the payment if their address is: 12 Jones street, Wrexham

They're trying to sell to tourists that our interested in Wrexham rather than "real" Wrexham fans.

Its been a hot topic at Wrexham home games with some tickets ringfenced for day trippers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:16:00
How many Wrexham fans do you think frequent the stfc website or follow our twitter account?

anecdotally most people come in from outside swindon to watch games. Transport on boxing day is a bag of dicks, I might be overly charitable in thinking that it's trying to appeal to us out of towners to make a bloody good day and night of it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:16:21
It is strange. We’d virtually sell out anyway. The club can’t make much out of the hotel/grub bit so what’s the point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:18:44
It is strange. We’d virtually sell out anyway. The club can’t make much out of the hotel/grub bit so what’s the point.
Building links. I can't blame the club for trying, but their messaging has been naïve with us cynical fucks around (or they're being dickheads, who knows)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:18:49
It is strange. We’d virtually sell out anyway. The club can’t make much out of the hotel/grub bit so what’s the point.

If we don't win a game between now and then we won't sell out!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:19:52
If we don't win a game between now and then we won't sell out!
That’s the spirit!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:22:51
Not if it endangers people. Families in the DRS and the Wrexham firm decide to buy these tickets for a dust up... It's avaricious and shows no regard for our fans. A perfect parable of the Morfuni era.

Is this different in set up to any other hospitality options?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:27:31
Is this different in set up to any other hospitality options?

The hotel option is new isn't it, and suggests it is appealing to 'out of towners' and just happens to be for the Wrexham game...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:28:08
avaricious
Did a google. You win word of the day


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:33:34
It’ll be like that Millwall League Cup Quarter Final. Carnage!

Enlighten me please?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:36:57
Didn't you "move" a wall fan in the DRS Aud? I was there that day  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:38:19
Yeah i'd assume the chief steward and the fuzz might want to have a chat about what efforts are in place to separate the fans
This could all end up in tears.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:38:57
This could all end up in tears.

Quite in fitting with Clems reign of terror then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:41:31
There's probably 250 seats in those three blocks that aren't season ticket holders, and they are spread out. Can't see many Wrexham taking that up if they have 3,200 other tickets available.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:43:51
Lots of people going Boxing Day irrespective of results that would likely kick off and call for Clems head when we concede....instead now they're going to be busy twatting Wrexham fans.

The mans a genius.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:47:30
All we need is for the game to get rained off and Clem to make them all buy their tickets again for the rescheduled fixture and the Circle of Power is complete.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:50:37
Enlighten me please?
Millwall fans in the DRS - absolute carnage - took weeks to get that Millwall blood off the urinals.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:50:46
I can be charitable, and assume they have a plan for proper Wrexham fans not getting their hands on these (I am sure the debate will rage).

The concept is fair enough though - the one thing the club has done well in recent times is selling Hospitality packages.  They did some link up with Boom Battle Bar a while back as well - you get drinks and some games plus a bus to the ground and your ticket.

I'd presume the club gets a % of the mark-up on the hotel room for  the night and know full well that Wrexham will draw in some International fans these days, and not just of the Welsh variety.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:51:57
I emailed James Watts to say it's ambiguous whether the packages are available to away fans.
Clarification is needed either way imo


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:53:23
Didn't you "move" a wall fan in the DRS Aud? I was there that day  :)
Looking back I do feel embarrassed - but they were a couple of your typical Millwall fans that were getting lairy.

The concourse was carnage. I remember a Wall fan was taking a piss when someone behind him give his head a mighty shove into the wall. A friendly fan threatened to rip my face off. That sort of fan banter was the order of the day.

You weren’t actually sat with me we’re you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:55:30
I can be charitable, and assume they have a plan for proper Wrexham fans not getting their hands on these (I am sure the debate will rage).

The concept is fair enough though - the one thing the club has done well in recent times is selling Hospitality packages.  They did some link up with Boom Battle Bar a while back as well - you get drinks and some games plus a bus to the ground and your ticket.

I'd presume the club gets a % of the mark-up on the hotel room for  the night and know full well that Wrexham will draw in some International fans these days, and not just of the Welsh variety.

Absolutely nothing wrong bundling some away ticket inventory with hotel rooms. A good idea, to be applauded. Bundling home tickets with seemingly no safeguards to prevent away fans of a club with a known hooligan element, who are most likely the club's target customer, is reprehensible. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:57:27
I'm not trying to be contrarian (but it is the internet after all) what safeguards are there for any ticket bought through ticketmaster?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 12:58:25
I'm not trying to be contrarian (but it is the internet after all) what safeguards are there for any ticket bought through ticketmaster?
That’s a good point. Are they the arbiter of who can buy irrespective of address?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:00:16
You quite often see clubs saying they will be checking postcodes of buyers in the event that an away allocation has sold out. We've seen that in recent years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:00:34
Maybe James Watts is judge judy and executioner? Which would be handy as that's the only way you can buy one of these packages


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:13:16
Suprised they havent raised the prices to be honest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:23:03
Looking back I do feel embarrassed - but they were a couple of your typical Millwall fans that were getting lairy.

The concourse was carnage. I remember a Wall fan was taking a piss when someone behind him give his head a mighty shove into the wall. A friendly fan threatened to rip my face off. That sort of fan banter was the order of the day.

You weren’t actually sat with me we’re you?

I was near the front on the bank side.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:27:20
That’s where there were loads of Wall fans. I was up the back, just before the Perspex wing of the DRS.

Fuckers were chucking bricks from outside the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:36:10
There's probably 250 seats in those three blocks that aren't season ticket holders, and they are spread out. Can't see many Wrexham taking that up if they have 3,200 other tickets available.
You are assuming they aren’t going to move season ticket holders… they better bloody not be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 13:58:30
Looks like the ‘away’ section of The Arkells is available to home fans. So Wrexham in the Bank only? Thought we had to give so many seats under cover to away fans. Or does the DRS Xmas special supposed to get around that?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:12:24
That section is greyed out for me for the Wrexham game in the map.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:23:22
God knows what’s going on


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:25:27
From twitter. Not sure if true or not

Quote
So then, apparently the central block of the DRS is to be deemed a ‘neutral’ zone for Wrexham in a similar way to what Fulham offer. This gets around the EFL requirement to offer a % seats under cover with Wrexham only getting the SB. ST holders to be offered a move #stfc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:27:40
Offered a move to where when it’s likely to be a sell out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:29:43
No idea. I wouldnt move out of principle if i had a ST anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:30:43
There's probably 250 seats in those three blocks that aren't season ticket holders, and they are spread out. Can't see many Wrexham taking that up if they have 3,200 other tickets available.

less than 200


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:49:19
From twitter. Not sure if true or not


That is surely not true


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:50:11
From STFC

"There are no tickets being held back for away supporters. The tickets that people are saying are missing have been sold to Swindon fans who could not buy hospitality at the ground."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:54:23
They can’t have sold them all, surely? Must be a couple hundred seats available (and pretty weirdly spread out too)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:55:24
Didn’t think tickets were even on sale now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:59:30
They are to home fans. Wrexham haven't received the tickets to sell yet


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 14:59:51
Didn’t think tickets were even on sale now

They are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:01:30
They can’t have sold them all, surely? Must be a couple hundred seats available (and pretty weirdly spread out too)
I think the wording I received was aspirational rather than factual (although it was stated as the latter).

It is their goal to sell all these lovely tickets to home fans who hopefully also buy the hotel combo


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:04:02
Didn’t think tickets were even on sale now
hang on...where do you think the screenshots of the ground with greyed out bits have been coming from? :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:06:19
Ah


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:12:47
Take out the ST's and there are maybe 300-350 free seats in those 3 central blocks.

They would pretty much all be sold for that fixture anyway, so if the club can make a bit extra from sales to the wannabe prawn sandwich brigade then all well and good.

Maybe highlights the need to prioritise the exec boxes ahead of the bank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:28:30
I think the wording I received was aspirational rather than factual (although it was stated as the latter).

It is their goal to sell all these lovely tickets to home fans who hopefully also buy the hotel combo
Yeah, fair. And bobs point is fair too, but it will need policing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:45:29
So to summarise = basically the ST holders won't be moved but the 300-350 non-ST seats are reserved for people that want to buy those hotel packages? I assume if not many are sold then these are released back to public sale?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:49:56
What a depressing thought spending all that money to spend Christmas night in a hotel in the centre of Swindon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:53:58
What a depressing thought spending all that money to spend Christmas night in a hotel in the centre of Swindon.
I had assumed it'd be the night after the game. There were enough sirens going off to question which night it was :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:56:45
I had assumed it'd be the night after the game. There were enough sirens going off to question which night it was :D


Still depressing even if it was boxing night😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 15:57:18
Question from me:
"Can I just check - are the tickets sold or are they held back to be sold?
I think it'd help messaging around this, as twitter is ablaze with conspiracy.
Personally I think there's no problem saying they're held back to be sold as part of the combo deal."

Further from James
"They have been sold as part of sponsorship packages."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:04:14
They’ve sold them to leonardo, then


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:09:32
They’ve sold them to leonardo, then

Seems most likely.  Keeps it nice and simple for the hotel to have pre-printed/pre-ordered tickets to distribute, rather than some cobbled together process with people having to book a seat themselves as part of the deal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:09:46
They’ve sold them to leonardo, then
Didn't even think of that angle on it.
If James is the route to getting a combo deal, I wonder who will be ensuring no cheeky Wrexham fans make the most of the deal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:12:11
Christ, they moan about the £27 for a ticket


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:16:57
No idea. I wouldnt move out of principle if i had a ST anyway

I sit in those blocks, no fucking way I'm moving.
Could be a fun afternoon :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:18:03
I’m in D6U


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:18:41
Yet again, the club is managing a comms disaster of their own making online.

When's that concert by the way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:21:32
Wrexham Male Voice Choir - 26 December. Venue DRS @ The County Ground


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:23:23
Yet again, the club is managing a comms disaster of their own making online.

When's that concert by the way?

If you had to pick between praising the club and criticising Tom Brewitt, what would you go for?  ;)

Like, there really is a lot to criticise about the club, but there seems to be a fair amount of glee in your posts on every thing. It's obviously entirely up to you what you spend your time doing, but I can't help but think you might be happier just not engaging with every single not all that important commercial nonsense the club gets up to. The big stuff, absolutely worth calling out, but we're almost getting to the level of criticising the tomato sauce choices on here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:28:47
Tomato? Where’s the brown?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:29:20
HP for me :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:31:48
If you had to pick between praising the club and criticising Tom Brewitt, what would you go for?  ;)

Like, there really is a lot to criticise about the club, but there seems to be a fair amount of glee in your posts on every thing. It's obviously entirely up to you what you spend your time doing, but I can't help but think you might be happier just not engaging with every single not all that important commercial nonsense the club gets up to. The big stuff, absolutely worth calling out, but we're almost getting to the level of criticising the tomato sauce choices on here.

Funny how that comes across. Literally zero glee on my part at all. Pure despair.

Away fans in the DRS isn't a commercial nonsense either. It is potentially highly dangerous.

Moving season ticket holders for Boxing Day is wrong too, if that is indeed happening.

My point is that this is self-inflicted due to shoddy comms as always.

And the concert thing is something that I have an interest in.

Don't give a toss about most of the noise.

And sadly even Brewitt isn't immune from criticism at the moment. The alice band is staying in the drawer for now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:34:56
I don’t really have a problem with flogging unsold tickets at a markup for hospitality, which is what I think has happened based on Bennett’s conversations. Seems like a good way to get a little extra Bunce

The issue I have with it is how policing of who gets those tickets is enforced (to mooneyrakers point) from a crowd security POV

To be fair, this has bubbled up quite quickly this afternoon out of not a lot. It’s fair to give the club the right to explain publically before getting too irate


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:35:07
James has patiently replied to another of my emails:

"The tickets are sold by Swindon Town FC through all of our usual channels so we can cross reference that the people buying them are hospitality regulars."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:35:52
To be fair, this has bubbled up quite quickly this afternoon out of not a lot. It’s fair to give the club the right to explain publically before getting too irate
This is a point I'm trying to make to James that people are talking, get ahead of it ffs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:38:38
James has patiently replied to another of my emails:

"The tickets are sold by Swindon Town FC through all of our usual channels so we can cross reference that the people buying them are hospitality regulars."

That sounds like nonsense though to be fair


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:40:30
This is a club that couldn't cross reference a criminal record with the EFL's fit and proper persons test...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:41:41
That sounds like nonsense though to be fair
Agreed. But how far down does the conspiracy go??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:47:31
http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/123214-swindon-away-boxing-day.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:51:22
This is a club that couldn't cross reference a criminal record with the EFL's fit and proper persons test...

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:52:07
http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/123214-swindon-away-boxing-day.html

and there it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:56:03
Apart from the fact that the tickets under scrutiny are forming part of hosptality packages- what is the difference from how tickets are sold for every other match?

People phone up or order on line (or whatever method works today) and order tickets. We don't often get awyers in the home end do we?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 16:56:47
Give the fuckers 1200 like they gave us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:00:23
Give the fuckers 1200 like they gave us.

No way we'll turn down a potential £40k which minus concessions a full bank will probably be around in revenue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:03:56
We don't often get awyers in the home end do we?

There's been many a game I could count away fans during an injury break in play. If Wrexham sell out, its inevitable

same as it was for us many times- FGR, Harrogate...
......

No problem with them selling spares to hotel packagers. Do have a (small) problem if they block book out the best seats! Not that it affects me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:26:25
This place would have been fun if they repeated the Sunderland and Portsmouth option (it was those two, right?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:32:34
No way we'll turn down a potential £40k which minus concessions a full bank will probably be around in revenue.

We done the same last time we played piss stains :eek: No problem giving them the whole bank if we keep the Arkells and DRS all home fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:41:16


And sadly even Brewitt isn't immune from criticism at the moment. The alice band is staying in the drawer for now.
'ey 'ey, hang on. Brewitt is beyond criticism at the moment as he's the only actual "defender" that we have! I'm after the chairmanship😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:44:26
Can’t work out what would be worse, Wrexham fans in the DRS or a wave of football YouTubers/Streamers claiming to be Wrexham fans who didn’t know Wales was a place 4 years ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 17:57:21
The Trust are now seeking clarification. Hopefully the club don’t ignore this request!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 18:12:40
'ey 'ey, hang on. Brewitt is beyond criticism at the moment as he's the only actual "defender" that we have! I'm after the chairmanship😉

I believe I kindly offered you the role of Matchday Guest of the Tom Brewitt Fan Club. Don’t be put off by the title. It’s a bigger role than meets the eye!

(And yes, Brewitt gets shafted by our system but on the basis that no one was better than a 2/10 against Aldershot, he gets criticism… for once.)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 18:39:28
The Trust are now seeking clarification. Hopefully the club don’t ignore this request!

Judging by how long they have waited to see the books i expect a response after this game has been played


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 19:13:39
It seems that the blocking of the seats in the DRS is simply for fans that want to buy the hotel packages. The thing that I don't get (still) is the communication of these things. Surely the club must (should) have had conversations with the Trust about this? In theory it's not the worst idea in the world, but I'm sceptical as to how many Swindon fans are likely to take up the offer. Given the concerns that Swindon season ticket holders have stated about sitting amongst Wrexham fans or YouTube tourists, it would also have been good to hear the club confirm ticket sales are to home fans only.

I'm sure there will be a statement by Trust and club soon, but why not explain their thinking when they announced the hotel package deals today? It was obvious that given the amount of fans who are part time sleuths there was always going to be questions raised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 19:14:47
Rikki Hunt did it a couple of times in the 1990s and gave Sunderland fans both the bank and the Townend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 19:27:23
Why didn’t they just do this package for away end tickets?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 19:35:43
Why didn’t they just do this package for away end tickets?

Agreed. Baffling.

Hotel bundles are a good idea for away fans and could be a nice earner for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 19:37:57
Maybe a good little earner but you don’t put away fans in with home fans that’s just asking for trouble.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 19:58:07
Maybe a good little earner but you don’t put away fans in with home fans that’s just asking for trouble.

They aren't. At least not officially. Police would squash that.

It's their solution to not having enough hospitality space in the arkells.

Should have been first come first served for the seats



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 20:01:05
They aren't. At least not officially. Police would squash that.

It's their solution to not having enough hospitality space in the arkells.

Should have been first come first served for the seats



Many jumping the gun then😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Gloucester Reds on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 20:02:54
Don’t trust a single word Power sorry Clem and his Power cohorts say but if they think My Son and I and all our friends and acquaintances who have sat together in the Don Rogers Stand for years are going to be moved for the Wrexham game they can go and fuck themselves - simple as 💩🤮💩🤮💩🤮


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 20:08:59
They aren't. At least not officially. Police would squash that.

It's their solution to not having enough hospitality space in the arkells.

Should have been first come first served for the seats


Do you really think they have spoken to the police about it?

I'm not sure any joined up thought processes happened.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 20:21:57
Do you really think they have spoken to the police about it?


Nope. What I meant was it won't be marketed to away fans as the police would not allow it. And there must be some sort of dialogue between club and them for some point.

One assumes it's going to be "database only" sales, assumed mainly because the club is disfunctional at communicating


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 20:26:25
Loads of the comments here are a complete over reaction, no one is being moved and this is being advertised on the official Swindon website.  Away fans could try and get tickets in the home end regardless, what's the big deal?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 21:17:00
Loads of the comments here are a complete over reaction, no one is being moved and this is being advertised on the official Swindon website.  Away fans could try and get tickets in the home end regardless, what's the big deal?
Any 'over reaction' is caused by the umpteenth Comms disaster from the club. Constantly creating their own problems. The fact that the Trust have had to get involved is proof enough of that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 21:32:56
I don’t get the problem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 21:59:09
I'll say it again, it's pretty obvious these are targeted towards the same tourists that Wrexham have been keeping tickets back for. They'll be Wrexham leaning tourists/neutrals.

Might not be the greatest day trip after Wrexham score and they get pinged and thrown down a flight of stairs though and it'll be the clubs fault.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 22:02:48
I'll say it again, it's pretty obvious these are targeted towards the same tourists that Wrexham have been keeping tickets back for. They'll be Wrexham leaning tourists/neutrals.

Might not be the greatest day trip after Wrexham score and they get pinged and thrown down a flight of stairs though and it'll be the clubs fault.

Ah, I didn't see this on the Wrexham website.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 23:19:00
I can’t believe the club want to sell tickets to a football match.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 08:25:57
I can't believe DV is being sarcastic about something.

:)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: kirky69 on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 09:37:13
I'll say it again, it's pretty obvious these are targeted towards the same tourists that Wrexham have been keeping tickets back for. They'll be Wrexham leaning tourists/neutrals.

Might not be the greatest day trip after Wrexham score and they get pinged and thrown down a flight of stairs though and it'll be the clubs fault.

Why on earth would they get thrown down a flight of stairs? These are the middle sections of the DRS, frequented mainly by middle aged season ticket holders. Stop being so dramatic, seats aren't being sold in the TE and we arent living in the 1980's. If there are Wrexham leaning tourists around me then great, let them enjoy their day. I am sure if they are forking out the money they are, then they are likely to be sensible enough to be respectful of where they are located in the ground. We do love to over react.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 09:46:08
Most of the reaction doesn't happen if STFC communicate with their fanbase appriopriately - a common issue over the last 2 and a half years.

Of course there'd be some eyerolling and, given the current climate, some anger but most of this was avoidable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:11:43
The club sell hospitality to every game, and I’m pretty sure they sell tables to away fans.

I have, and know others, who have been in hospitality at Town games away.

The odd thing here is that the tickets are in the DRS.

A slightly different thing but I remember a Millwall fan sitting behind me in the DRS, he did say that he generally sits with home fans when Millwall play away if he could partly because of how some of their fans behave and partly how they get treated by the police & stewards. He was just there to watch the game and was no problem at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:18:12
I can’t believe the club want to sell tickets to a football match.
Should be taken to court under the trade descriptions act.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:44:21
Who had ‘Roman Abramovich used Swindon Town to launder payments’ on their bingo card


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:44:52
Who had ‘Roman Abramovich used Swindon Town to launder payments’ on their bingo card
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-11-15/roman-abramovichs-hidden-football-deals-during-chelseas-time-at-the-top


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:53:04
I read something yesterday on the EFL site about appropriate separation or stewarding of fans (and of course I can't find it today).
Hospitality has dedicated stewarding so would tick that box, random seats around the DRS is a different matter IMO and I don't know why the club would take the risk


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:58:23
Wasn't on the bingo card for today at least but nothing would surprise me from the last ten years. You could say that we'd been used to wash Wagner arms deal money and I wouldn't be shocked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 10:59:57
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-11-15/roman-abramovichs-hidden-football-deals-during-chelseas-time-at-the-top

Fucking hell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:01:04
I read something yesterday on the EFL site about appropriate separation or stewarding of fans (and of course I can't find it today).
Hospitality has dedicated stewarding so would tick that box, random seats around the DRS is a different matter IMO and I don't know why the club would take the risk

To (poorly) quote Price of Football's Kieran Maguire, if a business decision doesn't make sense, the answer is often 'money'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:07:26
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-11-15/roman-abramovichs-hidden-football-deals-during-chelseas-time-at-the-top

Fuck.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:10:50
Who had ‘Roman Abramovich used Swindon Town to launder payments’ on their bingo card

Article mentions point deduction or a fine, it's probably more directed at Chelsea, but wouldn't be surprised to see either coming our way as well, no doubt we'll get the brunt of any punishment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:11:53
If we make it out of the goings on of the last 8/9 years without a points deduction then it is actually a miracle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:17:13
Article mentions point deduction or a fine, it's probably more directed at Chelsea, but wouldn't be surprised to see either coming our way as well, no doubt we'll get the brunt of any punishment

Of course we will get done, it was an undeclared loan to benefit the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:17:29
If we make it out of the goings on of the last 8/9 years then it is actually a miracle.

100%

9,000 fans still subjecting themselves to this. Mad really!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:23:50
Of course we will get done, it was an undeclared loan to benefit the club

Absolutely, you can absolutely see why we'd get punished for it, certainly not going to help us with the Standing Vs Power future punishment as well.if only we had the cushion of being in league one


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:28:14
Of course we will get done, it was an undeclared loan to benefit the club
Well, not quite. The loan was to Power, the individual, Power then, supposedly, put the money into the club. Might just as easily gone into his back pocket - it’s not going to be accounted for.

Wonder if those 3 Chelsea loan players has anything to do with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:30:22
Look forward to tomorrows scandal of KimJong Un being majority shareholder of one of the sponsors


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:33:38
Look forward to tomorrows scandal of KimJong Un being majority shareholder of one of the sponsors

Clem accidently transferred the shares as a tip in a Korean restaurant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:33:52
Why on earth would they get thrown down a flight of stairs? These are the middle sections of the DRS, frequented mainly by middle aged season ticket holders. Stop being so dramatic, seats aren't being sold in the TE and we arent living in the 1980's. If there are Wrexham leaning tourists around me then great, let them enjoy their day. I am sure if they are forking out the money they are, then they are likely to be sensible enough to be respectful of where they are located in the ground. We do love to over react.

You've never seen it kick off in the DRS or even The Arkells when away fans are in there?

Come on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:33:56
The condiition was the money went to the club. He obviously put it in to the club as he is still alive

I would assume that like when Barry & Standing lent Power money which was a ''no no'' as both were still involved in the game this will be a similar thing....or a bigger ''NO NO''.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:37:55
The bit I don't quite get is the fact that it was a loan, which was repayable if we got promoted, but as we didn't it lapsed (not much of a loan then).   

When some claimed we didn't want to get promoted, maybe they were right, albeit not directly for the reason they thought


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:38:58
The condiition was the money went to the club. He obviously put it in to the club as he is still alive
Quite!

The bit I find interesting, if that’s the word, is if we failed to get promoted ( which we didn’t obviously) the loan didn’t need to get repaid. So it was in Power’s interests we didn’t get promoted - the Tim Sherwood era too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:40:27
If we make it out of the goings on of the last 8/9 years without a points deduction then it is actually a miracle.

Absolutely. If this was another club we'd be screaming for punishments, regardless of regime changes and so on. Can only hope it all comes out at once and there's not just a constant dripping out of this shit.

Still, we might get to play Chelsea in the Conference next year!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:42:08
Was this the Flitcroft season? Where we were on track for Play offs, he got pinched by Mansfield and we then tanked?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:42:39
Netflix missed a trick not doing a docuseries on us


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:44:05
When some claimed we didn't want to get promoted, maybe they were right, albeit not directly for the reason they thought

Are we sure Power didn't have another one of these agreements in the Preston play off season?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Moss on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:45:36
Maybe Alabama 3 could do the theme tune.

Fucking gangster FC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Moss on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:47:28
Maybe we should embrace it and only sign players and staff with a criminal record. Build on the Australian connection.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:48:40
Imagining the scene where Lee Power is sat in a room with Roman Abramovich, explaining the concept of the magic roundabout


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:58:52
Maybe Alabama 3 could do the theme tune.

Fucking gangster FC.

You woke up this morning, got yourself a club
The happy clappers said you'd be the chosen one


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 11:59:58
I see Chelsea are adopting the ‘Nuffin’ to do with us, Guv’ approach. Similar to ours I suspect

‘ Abramovich chose not to return requests for comment on the article, but Chelsea have issued a response in the report.

A spokesperson for the club said: “These allegations pre-date the club’s current ownership. They are based on documents which the club has not been shown and do not relate to any individual who is presently at the club."

However, the owners were aware during the purchasing process of “potentially incomplete financial reporting concerning historical transactions during the club’s previous ownership”.

They added: “Immediately following the completion of the purchase, the club proactively self-reported these matters to all applicable football regulators.

“In accordance with the club’s ownership group’s core principles of full compliance and transparency, the club has proactively assisted the applicable regulators with their investigations and will continue to do so.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:05:07
I see Chelsea are adopting the ‘Nuffin’ to do with us, Guv’ approach. Similar to ours I suspect

‘ Abramovich chose not to return requests for comment on the article, but Chelsea have issued a response in the report.

A spokesperson for the club said: “These allegations pre-date the club’s current ownership. They are based on documents which the club has not been shown and do not relate to any individual who is presently at the club."

However, the owners were aware during the purchasing process of “potentially incomplete financial reporting concerning historical transactions during the club’s previous ownership”.

They added: “Immediately following the completion of the purchase, the club proactively self-reported these matters to all applicable football regulators.

“In accordance with the club’s ownership group’s core principles of full compliance and transparency, the club has proactively assisted the applicable regulators with their investigations and will continue to do so.”
I look forward to Clem making us an enemy of Russia with whatever statement he ends up putting out. Offer them out for a scrap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:09:55
You’ve got to admire Power. He ran a football club using other people’s money entirely.

Just what was in it for Abramovich? I can’t think of any benefit to him at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:13:20
Develop Colkett, Feruz and Dabo for us and i'll lend you a few quid?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:13:56
Develop Colkett, Feruz and Dabo for us and i'll lend you a few quid?

Tbh i doubt Abramovich even knew who those players are


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:18:02
Fair play though, I thought there was no way STFC could continue to entertain us like this but secret funding from a Russian Oligarch has blown that thought out of the water


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:40:44
Quote
Who had ‘Roman Abramovich used Swindon Town to launder payments’ on their bingo card
oh ffs.

When will it all end (I don't mean the club).

so the loan may or may not have broken the rules, but but declaring it did. Brilliant


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:42:38
It's a good job the club didn't have a convicted Money Launderer hanging around, otherwise it might look a bit suspect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:46:28
Quote from: RobertT
It's a good job the club didn't have a convicted Money Launderer hanging around, otherwise it might look a bit suspect.


let's just change our name to Ozark FC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:47:13
oh ffs.

When will it all end (I don't mean the club).

so the kitteny may or may not have broken the rules, but but declaring it did. Brilliant
Kitteny?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:52:27
Fair play though, I thought there was no way STFC could continue to entertain us like this but secret funding from a Russian Oligarch has blown that thought out of the water

Must admit that entertain wasn't the first word that came to mind, but I know what you mean.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:53:51
The real villain here:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:57:03
The real villain here:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)

Brussels, or Ardennes?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 12:57:26
Mmmmmm, pate


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:00:51
The real villain here:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)

Agreed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:01:24
Remember when that journalist a couple of years back said there were worse  things that would blow the Barry/Standing thing out of the water? Is this the beginning?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:02:00
Agreed.

At least he sorted out Afghanistan for the long term.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:03:36
Mental. It throws further questions of whether promotion has been an aim for the club it if we’ve thrown games / seasons for peoples financial gain. I’m done with it - I’ll go to the very odd game but until the ownership severely changes I’m out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:07:44
The real villain here:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)

“Fat Mickey Pearce, you’re just a Fat Mickey Pearce.”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:08:22
Clem was in the building in 2017. What does he know about this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:08:43
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Kitteny?
loan.

don't walk and swipe type everyone, it's dangerous


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:10:58
Mental. It throws further questions of whether promotion has been an aim for the club it if we’ve thrown games / seasons for peoples financial gain. I’m done with it - I’ll go to the very odd game but until the ownership severely changes I’m out.

Never thought of that.

I'd say it would be pretty tricky to convince players to throw a game en mass. But the potential is there I suppose.

Ah, I guess we could just recruit sub standard players - that kind of thing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:13:26
Ah, I guess we could just recruit sub standard players - that kind of thing

How would we ever tell the difference?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:13:28
Just. Employ. Sheridactyl.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:24:40
Never thought of that.

I'd say it would be pretty tricky to convince players to throw a game en mass. But the potential is there I suppose.

Ah, I guess we could just recruit sub standard players - that kind of thing

The potential seasons in question were terrible to mediocre, at best.  Certainly looks like the four signings from Chelsea in January 2017 must have been to do with this.  Why Chelsea would want to see our books is a question though, maybe to understand better details on what to charge for lower league loans?  Given the larger sums going around, that seems a weird thing to worry about, but you never know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:24:56
Wow, with stfc expect the unexpected


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:26:49
Its odd to think that the Russian would want to loan money to a L2 club - what was the link in the first place to even be able to approach him for money, very odd he would be just willing to write it off rather than have it listed as a charge against the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:28:04
Its odd to think that the Russian would want to loan money to a L2 club - what was the link in the first place to even be able to approach him for money, very odd he would be just willing to write it off rather than have it listed as a charge against the club

Listing it as a charge against the club would make it a matter of public record though, which clearly nobody involved would have wanted it to be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:28:50
Actually, those signings, three on loan plus an undisclosed fee for Conroy, may raise some questions.  Did Power take the money, got asked to funnel it as a loan to Swindon himself (creating distance) and then they found ways to charge back via deals with the club, cleaning said money back into Chelsea as income?  The fact the loans were forgiven certainly suggests they were not ever meant to be directly repaid, given how shit we were in L1 at the time.

Oh well, at least Clem gets some breathing space for a few days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:29:28
What concerns me is why would anyone buy a club with this much baggage coupled with the convoluted stadium ownership? How many court cases will there be? How many FA charges pending?

God it is depressing. I'm getting towards giving up until the Augean Stables are cleaned once and for all, whether that be via liquidation or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:30:58
So how will anyone ever really determine if the £1.25m went into the club or Fat Lee’s back pocket?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:31:04
Given Powers Domicile status in Switzerland at the time, I'd wager it is not an insignificant fact.  Maybe getting a few quid himself to oil other deals/discussions away from prying eyes.  Now for someone to find the Russian links.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:33:23
If there was supposed not to be any paper trail, how has this all come out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:33:31
Is this just a dodgy very wealthy football club owner looking to launder money using another football club then?

It sounds like Chelsea are in for some serious investigation, but have we broken rules as well? Is this where the points deduction chat has come from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:34:57
If there was supposed not to be any paper trail, how has this all come out?

People fall out with people all the time, and leak information they may have insight to - e-mails, phone calls, documents etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:35:36
Is Abramovich giving Lee Power some dosh breaking any footballing rules?

God knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:36:12
Standing leaking ahead of the court case...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:38:47
Maybe. But our bit in this story is tiny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:40:22
Maybe. But our bit in this story is tiny.

For sure. But I can imagine Michael Standing hearing on the grapevine that a journo is investigating dodgy payments by Abramovich and thinking it would be a good opportunity to stir the pot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:44:59
If there was supposed not to be any paper trail, how has this all come out?

A leak of financial records in Cyprus, access to which records was shared by the ICIJ, the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project and Paper Trail Media with the Guardian and other media outlets.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/chelsea-fc-face-new-questions-over-how-roman-abramovich-funded-success

So it's not so much "no paper trail" as "a convoluted paper trail through various associated companies, individuals and er... lower regulation countries"

I think it's highly unlikely that Standing is anything other than an interested bystander here, we're a tiny footnote in this story.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:49:31
A leak of financial records in Cyprus, access to which records was shared by the ICIJ, the Organised Crime and Corruption Reporting Project and Paper Trail Media with the Guardian and other media outlets.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/chelsea-fc-face-new-questions-over-how-roman-abramovich-funded-success

So it's not so much "no paper trail" as "a convoluted paper trail through various associated companies, individuals and er... lower regulation countries"

I think it's highly unlikely that Standing is anything other than an interested bystander here, we're a tiny footnote in this story.

Fair enough. Panama Papers type effort.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:54:54
Given Powers Domicile status in Switzerland at the time, I'd wager it is not an insignificant fact.  Maybe getting a few quid himself to oil other deals/discussions away from prying eyes.  Now for someone to find the Russian links.

Hepburn-Murphy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 13:56:59
The real villain here:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)

Raymond Reddington?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:02:19
Not Russian per se but who was Power-era non-exec Veljko Jovanovic? I think he was Montenegrin.

Came on board with The Matchday Guest and Roger Terrell.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13585526.town-appoint-three-new-non-executive-directors/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:05:45
Had an accounting services company. Dissolved in 2017.

Could be handy for money shuffling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:06:47
He's also an online ghost.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:12:26
So sad that a football club can become a vehicle for some rotten characters to make money through questionable means, whilst thousands of well-meaning supporters pour money in, desperate for success, but helplessly at the mercy of those undesirables. Fuck off Zavier Austin, fuck off Power and fuck off Morfuni. Transparency!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:26:55
Jovanovic was/is a fellow Horse Racing owner, and given the timing was likely something to do with the Highworth angle.  Them all coming at the same time suggested a group who knew each other, no doubt they have links and tentacles!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:28:53
Does Power still own the Highworth site or did he never actually purchase it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:29:35
He owns it i think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:29:39
So sad that a football club can become a vehicle for some rotten characters to make money through questionable means, whilst thousands of well-meaning supporters pour money in, desperate for success, but helplessly at the mercy of those undesirables. Fuck off Zavier Austin, fuck off Power and fuck off Morfuni. Transparency!

It just goes to show that the headline at the front is never the way any of these chancers make their money to live off.  Not even their money, they just hive a bit off during the process.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:34:01
.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:34:17
Veljko Jovanovic, a Montenegrin, was also Director of Genovesa Enterprises Ltd.

As was a Lambertus Vos, listed as a Dutch national.

In 2018 "The property of the Honorary Consul of the Netherlands in Montenegro seized. The Special State Prosecution has requested seizure of the several million Euro’s worth of property of the Honorary Consul of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Montenegro, Mr Lambertus Vos. This property was previously frozen during the course of the money laundering investigation conducted by Dutch authorities, based on charges that he had laundered money through his real estate investments in Montenegro."

https://www.coe.int/en/web/corruption/anti-corruption-digest/montenegro

https://www.vijesti.me/vijesti/crna-hronika/12571/pocasnom-konzulu-plijene-imovinu-u-crnoj-gori


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:43:08
LP was doing stuff in Montenegro wasnt he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:45:29
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/14909007.reports-link-swindon-town-chairman-with-investment-in-third-club/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:46:24
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Much ado about nothing.
Welcome to the wonderful & frightening world of STFC James.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 14:59:20
LP was doing stuff in Montenegro wasnt he?

I seem to think he was somewhat active in the Balkans buying a lower tree club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:04:12
If any of the dirt being dug up shows us anything, it is precisely why keeping a certain Zavier Austin onboard was not a very good idea at all - if you were trying to run an open and honest above board bona fide company.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:05:14
It also begs the question, given all the timing overlaps, how precisely Clem fell into the mix - not just the whimsical story, but the real meat and bones about how relationships came to be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:11:59
It also begs the question, given all the timing overlaps, how precisely Clem fell into the mix - not just the whimsical story, but the real meat and bones about how relationships came to be.

Maybe Switzerland wasn't far enough away, so they needed someone much further?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:13:52
I seem to think he was somewhat active in the Balkans buying a lower true club?

Making a move on FK Fair Play perhaps.
My preference would have been FK Karioke.
If Wiki is to be believed that is.

Missing out on a pre season trip to Montenegro is a cause of momentary regret though as was the opportunity to congregate around Reginald's Tower in Waterford.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:19:51
If any of the dirt being dug up shows us anything, it is precisely why keeping a certain Zavier Austin onboard was not a very good idea at all - if you were trying to run an open and honest above board bona fide company.

Come on RobertT, The Trust (where were they on all this stuff in the Power years?) did extensive due diligence on Zavier Austin. Remember that. After they bought him a pint.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:20:31
Back on yesterday's crisis, TrustSTFC say:

Quote
We have received confirmation from the club that the Boxing Day hospitality package/DRS tickets, of which there will be approx. 60 are only for home fans. These will not require any ST holders to move seats in the DRS. The Stratton bank will be opened for Wrexham fans

Which, assuming the "only for home fans bit" means that they'll check as much as they would for any other type of ticket sales, feels like there may have a been a bit of an overreaction on this one. Not saying that there's nothing else to worry about at the club, but a few people might have got a bit carried away here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:21:05
What do you have to have done that would fail the Fit and Proper test?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:31:07
What do you have to have done that would fail the Fit and Proper test?

Be convicted of financial crimes - Zav Austin


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:34:39
Centre section of drs open again for Wrexham game, reckon they picked the 60 for hospitality


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:39:33
Be convicted of financial crimes - Zav Austin

And that is pretty much the limit. You just have to have the funds to pass otherwise. Even if you've been involved in many a ruining of a football club you're good to go - Lee Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:50:58
Fit & proper test has been tightened up not that long ago if memory serves.

Not forgetting that an "independent" football regulator is imminent. OffFoot?

So we can rest assured that another Bury or Macclesfield will never happen again & our peers will always get to regard us as Swindle within the confines of the EFL. Hopefully.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 15:55:44
Centre section of drs open again for Wrexham game, reckon they picked the 60 for hospitality

Good news!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 16:12:56
Fit & proper test has been tightened up not that long ago if memory serves.

Not forgetting that an "independent" football regulator is imminent. OffFoot?

So we can rest assured that another Bury or Macclesfield will never happen again & our peers will always get to regard us as Swindle within the confines of the EFL. Hopefully.

I refer you to the financial situation at Thames Water to act as evidence to the effectiveness of regulators.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 16:14:38
The real villain here:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)

I'd replace the familiar with the true force of darkness, Andrew Black.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 16:17:25
I refer you to the financial situation at Thames Water to act as evidence to the effectiveness of regulators.

Yeah, I know.
Subtlety doesn't always work on here.
Too many beers doesn't help.
Then again too many is never enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 16:19:48
That was the point I was making. Not very well.

Yes, the sarcasm was detected when referencing Bury.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 16:29:01
Yes, the sarcasm was detected when referencing Bury.

Not so much sarcasm more a sense of resignation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 16:55:32
I hadn't realised that Clem was attending Trust meetings as far back as 2018.

https://truststfc.com/history-and-timeline/

(https://truststfc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/boardmtg.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 17:16:21
He was the lead for the club on the Ground purchase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CotswoldsCJ on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 17:30:44
I harbour the dream that somewhere in the slow turning wheels of the Serious Fraud Office there lurks a large file on Lee Power that’s making its way to the top of the pile…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 17:31:15
Mark Isaacs on the right?*
Lot of experience lost when he left.

*Of photo on previous page.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 17:36:08
Rob Angus looks like he’s got a Fray Bentos pie up his shirt.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 17:43:35
I harbour the dream that somewhere in the slow turning wheels of the Serious Fraud Office there lurks a large file on Lee Power that’s making its way to the top of the pile…
He's played a blinder by funding the club with Jed's, Standing, Gareth Barry, Clem's and now Roman's cash and playing some of them off each other. I guess you don't mess with Roman's friends.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 17:49:09
Mmmmmm, pate

Had as a starter last night.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 18:00:51
Standing leaking ahead of the court case...?

For what gain?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 18:07:11
Swindon Supermarine. OTIS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 18:21:16
For what gain?

It has been established that it wasn't but perhaps he'd want to stir the shit. Who knows at this point with this cast of characters. It is a rogues gallery.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 14:19:26
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-67427645

Maybe the Pakistan link up with isn't so far fetched.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 14:30:42
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-67427645

Maybe the Pakistan link up with isn't so far fetched.

That would be good if we were exporting!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 14:37:47
I was going to say, if it was a footballing talent venture, then we got it around the wrong way.  As it is, the scheme is clearly to exploit (in entirely legal ways) the Visa demand from Pakistan (recent exposures suggest we should be a little worried about whether any less whiter than white activities are linked).



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 14:52:08
Getting back to this ‘loan’.

If the money never made it into the club’s accounts how can there be any sanction? If Power pocketed it or did whatever he did with it but it never actually appeared in the accounts what rules could the club have broken?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 15:07:12
Got my Boxing Day ticket booked, seem to be shifting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 15:27:29
Getting back to this ‘loan’.

If the money never made it into the club’s accounts how can there be any sanction? If Power pocketed it or did whatever he did with it but it never actually appeared in the accounts what rules could the club have broken?

That is going to depend on the details, if they can ever determine them.

The stuff in the 80's never made it's way to the books, and was precisely why we ended up in the shit.

If he trousered a bunch of money for nothing, and we never actually saw any of that money at STFC, directly or indirectly, then I doubt much will happen.  But, if STFC was used to return favours, funnel income, provide insight that Chelsea leveraged elsewhere etc. then who knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 15:37:05
But any such shenanigans need to be documented somehow. I’m sure Power’s grasp of shenanigans, and how to hide them, must have been quite good.

He managed to trouser £6m from Standing with, afaik, little if any paperwork

Ditto Clem and his £1.1m

Got to be said, he was a genius!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 15:46:50
But as this leak shows, even well hidden things can be found.  The Clem 1.1m is even documented, via way of text messages between them, combined with lawyers exchanging letters etc, that ultimately ended up with a Court Case siding with Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:20:16
Im going to hazard a guess and say he used the money to buy the debentures


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:26:58
That sounds feasible.

I still don’t get what Chelsea (RA) got out of it. What good is knowing details of our budget, player contracts/salaries.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:41:02
I never mentioned this at the time but a few years ago when Craig Bellamy was on holiday in my ski resort he came into my bar a couple of times, I may have mentioned that much but something he said now seems a little worrying.

He said that Chelsea were going to buy STFC, he didn't go into any more than that, like I said, I didn't mention it as it seemed a bit too far fetched given rules on club ownership in the same country and I couldn't see it happening but obviously there was much more to it. 

Bellamy and Power are close from their time at Norwich together but even knowing that I just thought it couldn't happen but obviously with Power and Abramovich anything could be possible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:43:01
That sounds feasible.

I still don’t get what Chelsea (RA) got out of it. What good is knowing details of our budget, player contracts/salaries.

They sold us Conroy and loaned us three players.

They may get some info about what to charge other L1 clubs (at the time we were L1, possibly) and then L2 clubs a year later

Of course, the most likely outcome is simply dodgy money being loaned through and then somehow finding it's way back through such items.  The loans and data being incidental, maybe?  Chelsea appeared to be engaging in multiple small deals all at the same time, which contribute to income gains eventually, or player deals favourable to them.  It's either football finance doping - trying to increase revenue when it was simply the owners money, or it's all about the original source of the money and making it nice and sparkley at the end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:45:01
Been a bit out of the loop (self inflicted) when it comes to the boardroom issues that keep coming up, so forgive my ignorance, but in a word does this Abramovic stuff mean we could realistically be completely and utterly fucked? Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:46:25
Been a bit out of the loop (self inflicted) when it comes to the boardroom issues that keep coming up, so forgive my ignorance, but in a word does this Abramovic stuff mean we could realistically be completely and utterly fucked? Thanks in advance.

I'd imagine it's too convoluted to impact us directly at the moment, but more may come out with details if investigated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 16:54:33
I'd imagine it's too convoluted to impact us directly at the moment, but more may come out with details if investigated.

Thank you. Doesn’t sound great for the future on the surface even if there’s not much likely to happen imminently


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 17:06:07
Just another pile of shit hanging over us to add to the rest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 17:39:12
Being away one more night and snowed under with this new job coupled with being away all next week in Newcastle and Scotland, where are we up to? Condensed version will be fine. Too tired to read back. TIA.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 17:47:30
https://twitter.com/BBCWiltsSport/status/1725206671272673401?t=ekCNa6ZLzGGrOtAPln83pA&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 23:12:29
They sold us Conroy and loaned us three players.

They may get some info about what to charge other L1 clubs (at the time we were L1, possibly) and then L2 clubs a year later

Of course, the most likely outcome is simply dodgy money being loaned through and then somehow finding it's way back through such items.  The loans and data being incidental, maybe?  Chelsea appeared to be engaging in multiple small deals all at the same time, which contribute to income gains eventually, or player deals favourable to them.  It's either football finance doping - trying to increase revenue when it was simply the owners money, or it's all about the original source of the money and making it nice and sparkley at the end.

I’ve assumed (rightly or wrongly) that whole point of the loans from Abramovich were for us to give the money back to Chelsea so it looked like the cash going into them came from STFC & not Abramovich.

So, we get the money then suddenly buy a player from Chelsea & take 3 on loan; transfer fee + wage contribution & most of the cash could/would have gone straight back to Chelsea minus a small % for us to keep for doing the favour + we get some loan players (of varying quality) out of it…

Not sure on the rules of owners pumping in money - so not sure if there is any logical reason why Abramovich / Chelsea would need to do this.

Also, did he kid(s) go to Marlborough College or am I think of Mourinho’s kid(s) or both….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 23:15:21
Although for Chelsea it doesn’t seem like nearly enough money to make the endeavour worthwhile


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 23:26:38
I never mentioned this at the time but a few years ago when Craig Bellamy was on holiday in my ski resort he came into my bar a couple of times, I may have mentioned that much but something he said now seems a little worrying.

He said that Chelsea were going to buy STFC, he didn't go into any more than that, like I said, I didn't mention it as it seemed a bit too far fetched given rules on club ownership in the same country and I couldn't see it happening but obviously there was much more to it. 

Bellamy and Power are close from their time at Norwich together but even knowing that I just thought it couldn't happen but obviously with Power and Abramovich anything could be possible.

Power left Norwich in 1994.
Placing Bellamy as about 15 (and obviously in the youth set up) whilst Power was 22 (and a pro)

Not saying there isn’t a link / friendship but not sure it was made at Norwich…but I guess you never know…maybe Bellamy used to clean his boots


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 16, 2023, 23:48:09
Although for Chelsea it doesn’t seem like nearly enough money to make the endeavour worthwhile

We were one of many deals like this, so we meant nothing to Chelsea, but were just part of a wider pattern (which looks insignificant one by one).  The big question is whether it was personal wealth being moved, or, heaven forbid, other sources of cash flowing through.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, November 17, 2023, 08:37:06
https://twitter.com/BBCWiltsSport/status/1725206671272673401?t=ekCNa6ZLzGGrOtAPln83pA&s=19
Was hoping we'd get a 'listen Shauuun' but sadly was just a recap of what we already knew.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 17, 2023, 08:46:50
Was hoping we'd get a 'listen Shauuun' but sadly was just a recap of what we already knew.

I had a feeling it might be - ah well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, November 17, 2023, 09:17:35
I must say, a 2023 BBC interview with Lee Power. I would never click on something so fast if it happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 17, 2023, 09:27:14
Was hoping we'd get a 'listen Shauuun' but sadly was just a recap of what we already knew.

'Listen Romannnn'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 17, 2023, 10:12:44
Was hoping we'd get a 'listen Shauuun' but sadly was just a recap of what we already knew.

Why would Power have any interest whatsoever in explaining this or in fact anything else.

Who knows what his links before after or even existing are to Abramovich, the sort of money under consideration would be pocket change to RA anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 17, 2023, 10:30:47
Presumably it was just another way for Chelsea to bypass FFP.
If RA was doing the same thing with 30 teams it’s a £30/40m cash injection that looks (at first glance) above board.
Wasn’t this at the time that Chelsea had dozens of young players out on loan?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 17, 2023, 10:32:43
If it was that widespread how come we’re the only club in the dock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 17, 2023, 11:04:33
If it was that widespread how come we’re the only club in the dock.

The article does say other clubs, and Chelsea did loan a lot of players to clubs in Europe, so maybe we are the only one in the UK, or more likely the biggest name in the UK


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 17, 2023, 12:26:55
Well, there's a precedent - Everton docked 10 points for historic financial irregularities (it must be said, on a much grander scale than anything we might have been involved in)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 17, 2023, 12:37:50
Chelsea get docked 10 points they’re still in the PL.

We get docked 10 points, hello National League.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 17, 2023, 12:39:46
Luton Town were docked 30 points in 2008/09 season🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 17, 2023, 12:41:09
And look where they are now!

Bring it on!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, November 17, 2023, 13:56:39
There must be some more detail to this somewhere as the investigative reporter has detailed how much RA gave stfc, not sure if it was listed in this shady Jersey company accounts or how they actually found this out with the link to us ? depends if the football authorities purely want to take Chelsea apart of want everyone that RA done deals with


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 17, 2023, 13:58:49
And look where they are now!

Bring it on!

Would we accept a 30 points deduction if we were guaranteed premiership football within 15 years😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:01:41
There must be some more detail to this somewhere as the investigative reporter has detailed how much RA gave stfc, not sure if it was listed in this shady Jersey company accounts or how they actually found this out with the link to us ? depends if the football authorities purely want to take Chelsea apart of want everyone that RA done deals with

There might not be, one of the problems with some investigative reporting is the journo's are so desperate to get the story out that they only do half a job, albeit in this case as it seems almost entirely to be based upon a leak, it will depend the extent of detail leaked or just headlines.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:02:02
I’m not really arsed about the PL. I just want a normal club to support.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:09:01
Power left Norwich in 1994.
Placing Bellamy as about 15 (and obviously in the youth set up) whilst Power was 22 (and a pro)

Not saying there isn’t a link / friendship but not sure it was made at Norwich…but I guess you never know…maybe Bellamy used to clean his boots

That's exactly it, yeah.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:17:26
I’m not really arsed about the PL. I just want a normal club to support.

This


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Munichred on Friday, November 17, 2023, 15:36:57
A similar punishment to Everton would be ok. i.e. Swindon starts with a 10 point deficit, next time we reach the Premier League...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 17, 2023, 15:44:54
I’m not really arsed about the PL. I just want a normal club to support.

This, although TBH my interest in football generally is rapidly waning.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 17, 2023, 18:26:54
Would we accept a 30 points deduction if we were guaranteed premiership football within 15 years😁

a trillion percent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 17, 2023, 18:48:36
This, although TBH my interest in football generally is rapidly waning.

Completely died in the Power era. Came back for this false dawn under Clem.....starting to go that way again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 17, 2023, 19:04:38
It will be interesting to hear what Clem has to say when he pops over for his Xmas vacation!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 11:00:59
No sign of the accounts being shared yet then.... 'deadline' is Tuesday I believe?

Not a penny more into the club from me, it's the only language these cunts know. No renewal and aways only if no change at the top.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: A.N.Other on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 11:09:53
I pay to watch a game of football! I don't see it as an investment of any kind. I've been doing that for 59 years.0% truth, 100% bollocks imo!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 11:26:11
I see Accrington whacked the prices up buy a fiver for the visit of Wrexham

Wrexham in response lower their prices by a fiver for the return game

Dont give our lot any ideas!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 11:50:42
I see Accrington whacked the prices up buy a fiver for the visit of Wrexham

Dont give our lot any ideas!

And in response Wrexham have reduced their matchday prices for the return game in March, which is an interesting stance to take.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 11:53:47
No sign of the accounts being shared yet then.... 'deadline' is Tuesday I believe?

Not a penny more into the club from me, it's the only language these cunts know. No renewal and aways only if no change at the top.

My read of that situation is that if there was nothing to hide, the club would have opened the books to the Trust within a few weeks at the most. It's been put off so long that you wonder if they are using the delay to work out the best way to get 'creative' with their accounts.

Hopefully we'll hear more this coming week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 12:18:39
I pay to watch a game of football! I don't see it as an investment of any kind. I've been doing that for 59 years.0% truth, 100% bollocks imo!


Word of advice, this thread probably isn't for you. :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 12:25:14
Word of advice, this thread probably isn't for you. :)
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Happy  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 12:29:03
Quote from: A.N.Other
I pay to watch a game of football! I don't see it as an investment of any kind. I've been doing that for 59 years.0% truth, 100% bollocks imo!

That's got to be the happiest type of support. I envy the switch off to the rest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 15:46:04
November Update



Earlier this week, TrustSTFC were in attendance for November’s Advisory Board meeting at The County Ground.



There were various topics on the agenda to discuss including an update on The County Ground, fan behaviour, STFC women, a host of fan questions, and the club’s finances.



Scott Curtis, treasurer of TrustSTFC, has begun engaging with the club to inspect the financial records. Further details on the contents of the review will be provided in due course. As previously communicated, until Scott has undertaken this review and confirmed the current financial status, we have asked that the debt/financial page be removed from the Advisory Board minutes.



Trust members may have seen some of our communication on social media this week, in relation to the Boxing Day fixture against Wrexham AFC. We sought clarification from the club on the promotion of hospitality packages at a local hotel with seats allocated in the Don Rogers Stand. The club has confirmed that these packages are only available for home supporters, and will utilise available seating.



We anticipate the publication of the latest Advisory Board minutes in the coming week. While there has been no confirmed date for December’s AB, we expect this to be around December 12th.



We invite all members to send us their questions that we can put forward to the club’s leadership team for a full answer. If you would like to submit a question for the next AB, please ensure you share this with us by Thursday 30th November.


Regards,

The Board of TrustSTFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 16:26:15
Says Scott has been engaging with club - does not say if he has been given access to them yet ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 16:59:14
Read it as he hasn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 17:25:35
As soon as Morfuni fucks off the better

Rather then coming over to oversee another disastrous transfer window hope he fucks off for good

Would rather be fan owned at least we could sustain L1 football and not have utter shysters for owners


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 17:40:40
Let's hope if Scott ever does get his hand on the books he has a better eye for detail than whoever setup the address in the footer of the email comms  :D





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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 18:07:05
More of a case of don’t contact us we’re contact you😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, November 19, 2023, 06:30:35
dong contact

Ouch!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: @MacPhlea on Sunday, November 19, 2023, 07:41:38
November Update

Scott Curtis, treasurer of TrustSTFC, has begun engaging with the club to inspect the financial records. Further details on the contents of the review will be provided in due course. As previously communicated, until Scott has undertaken this review and confirmed the current financial status, we have asked that the debt/financial page be removed from the Advisory Board minutes.


I assume that is this line has been removed it has been replaced with an associated action line and a due date agreed with the club?  If not then we are just at risk of losing visibility of the issue?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 19, 2023, 09:44:54
I assume that is this line has been removed it has been replaced with an associated action line and a due date agreed with the club?  If not then we are just at risk of losing visibility of the issue?

This is a good point. An actual done by date would feel a lot more reassuring.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:03:54
Here we are

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/swindon-town-to-host-music-event-on-may-bank-holiday-weekend


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:06:21
I’ve actually been to one of them Chris Moyles gigs, they’re actually really really good if you like your 90’s music.  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:07:47
Here we are

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/swindon-town-to-host-music-event-on-may-bank-holiday-weekend

That sounds proper fucking shit. Hope it does well!

Looks like the club might be actively promoting these events rather than just hosting them, which I suspect means a fair financial risk being taken.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:10:40
That sounds proper fucking shit. Hope it does well!

Looks like the club might be actively promoting these events rather than just hosting them, which I suspect means a fair financial risk being taken.

They are their own worst enemy. This is madness. Absolute madness. Chris Moyles does not sell out stadiums and nor do tribute acts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:11:12
Just a quick thought. Aren’t those dates the Play Offs Weekend?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:13:53
They are their own worst enemy. This is madness. Absolute madness. Chris Moyles does not sell out stadiums and nor do tribute acts.

I did think you might say that!

You might be right, but I'd hope and expect the club have a good idea of what an event like this might sell and the break even point isn't 10,000 or anything silly like that. Generally James Watts seems to know what he's doing on the commercial side, so we'll see I guess. Seems like they've gone cheap and cheerful to test the waters and let's hope it does okay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:13:56
They are their own worst enemy. This is madness. Absolute madness. Chris Moyles does not sell out stadiums and nor do tribute acts.

I don’t think they’re trying to sell out the stadium though in all honesty, it’s more of a party on the pitch vibe.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t hate this at all, they’re trying something different.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:14:44
Just a quick thought. Aren’t those dates the Play Offs Weekend?

Not unless we magically get promoted 2 leagues to the Championship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:15:03
Just a quick thought. Aren’t those dates the Play Offs Weekend?

Well, at least they know STFC fans won't have anything on...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:16:20
I don’t think they’re trying to sell out the stadium though in all honesty, it’s more of a party on the pitch vibe.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t hate this at all, they’re trying something different.

There are still significant costs associated with that sort of event in a stadium.

The Party on the Pitch was an EFL funded event I believe... One of the best days I've had as a Town fan. Will never forget Paolo and Toploader.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:17:32
Not unless we magically get promoted 2 leagues to the Championship.
How come the 3 PO finals aren’t the same weekend?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:19:23
A fucking DJ night?

Are we sure they don't think they were booking the MECA?

Christ on a bike.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:21:12
How come the 3 PO finals aren’t the same weekend?

I'm not sure in all honesty.

https://efl.com/news/2023/may/efl-key-dates-announced-ahead-of-202324-season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:27:41
Fyre Festival vibes.

Clemente the Clown.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:28:36
I'm not sure in all honesty.

https://efl.com/news/2023/may/efl-key-dates-announced-ahead-of-202324-season

Might be something to with the PL having the final day of the season on 19th May


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:30:44
Always thought all 3 were played over the Whitson Bank Holiday weekend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:31:48
FA Cup Final on 25th May.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:40:23
Fyre Festival vibes.

Clemente the Clown.

Clemfest  :suicide:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:41:35
looks good to me. the tribute acts one can be successful (see "fake festival").

90s music could bit good.

I don't know if it'll be successful, but I'll certainly be keeping an eye with a view to going.

I did not think I'd be writing that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:45:27
Also, the way I’m reading it, it isn’t just going to be Chris Moyles on the Saturday, there will be other acts too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:48:40
Also, the way I’m reading it, it isn’t just going to be Chris Moyles on the Saturday, there will be other acts too.

Some of the biggest live artists and DJs from the 90s no less.

Robbie Williams? The Spice Girls? I'm excited to see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:50:13
Some of the biggest live artists and DJs from the 90s no less.

Robbie Williams? The Spice Girls? I'm excited to see.

Set your expectations lower.

Like Chumbawumba lower.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:54:50
Set your expectations lower.

Like Chumbawumba lower.

I'm going with Dane Bowers, Cleopatra, Lee from Steps and a lineup of Menswear featuring one original member.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 17:56:39
https://www.mttm.uk/05-08-2022-chris-moyles-90s-hangover-new-road-worcester/#:~:text=The%20popular%20radio%20DJ%20provided,balloons%20bouncing%20around%20the%20crowd.

Here's a report on a previous 90s Hangover event at New Road, the cricket ground in Worcester. It sounds awful, but I am not the target market and I'm sure there is an audience for this stuff out there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:00:49
Some of the biggest live artists and DJs from the 90s no less.

Robbie Williams? The Spice Girls? I'm excited to see.

Spice girls? More like the piccalilli sisters and HP brotherhood.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:02:25
Clearly I didn't make that Spice Girls comment sarcastic enough!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:04:09
Republica were on one of those ITV daily lunchtime things last week, wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the acts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:09:50
Republica were on one of those ITV daily lunchtime things last week, wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the acts.

In that case, I'm ready to go!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:27:05
What kind of attendance they planning for that?? 6/700 max?

It’s not my thing, MC Wotsee seems to know a bit. Just hope they won’t have overexposed themselves on costs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:42:34
I'm going with Dane Bowers, Cleopatra, Lee from Steps and a lineup of Menswear featuring one original member.

Cleopatra comin atcha!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:44:59
maybe it'll be in the legends 😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 18:48:44
Clearly I didn't make that Spice Girls comment sarcastic enough!

You did, I just wanted to take it up another level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 19:12:31
Cleopatra comin atcha!

Ah, a fellow connoisseur.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 19:35:07
On a note of someone else you mentioned.....remember when Jay-Z appeared on an Another Level song.

The fuck was that all about?  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 19:39:28
On a note of someone else you mentioned.....remember when Jay-Z appeared on an Another Level song.

The fuck was that all about?  ;D

I'm going to go with money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 19:54:16
There was a “fake festival” in Peterborough last summer, just checking their website they have a show on the 25th May in Bedford, but nothing on the Sunday so wonder if it’s something like this

https://www.fakefestivals.co.uk/events


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 19:54:33
There are no bands, it's clever wording - it's just Moyles with some warm up DJ's, and he plays music from lots of the 90's bands.  I don't hate the idea, but not sure why risk the ground, just chuck it next door on the cricket pitch and get loads of food trucks in.

https://musicandbands.co.uk/booking-agent/90s-hangover


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 19:59:26
There are no bands, it's clever wording - it's just Moyles with some warm up DJ's, and he plays music from lots of the 90's bands.  I don't hate the idea, but not sure why risk the ground, just chuck it next door on the cricket pitch and get loads of food trucks in.

https://musicandbands.co.uk/booking-agent/90s-hangover

That’s the Saturday isn’t it?

With the Sunday a lineup of tribute bands


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:01:47
There are no bands, it's clever wording - it's just Moyles with some warm up DJ's, and he plays music from lots of the 90's bands.  I don't hate the idea, but not sure why risk the ground, just chuck it next door on the cricket pitch and get loads of food trucks in.

https://musicandbands.co.uk/booking-agent/90s-hangover

That will be a sell out  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:02:01
There are no bands, it's clever wording - it's just Moyles with some warm up DJ's, and he plays music from lots of the 90's bands.  I don't hate the idea, but not sure why risk the ground, just chuck it next door on the cricket pitch and get loads of food trucks in.

https://musicandbands.co.uk/booking-agent/90s-hangover

"Huge line up" would be stretching trading standards if it is just Moyles. I get that his usual 90s thing is just him in clubs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:02:55
I think it a decent attempt at a pilot event to see what interest there is and it's obvious by this thread that it is not aimed at the majority of the miserable old cunts on here, in fact it's probably not aimed at football fans full stop, just happens to be at a football stadium and losely linked as a pre Euros party.

I probably won't be going even though I am a fan of Moyles and a fan generally of decent cover bands, but if it gives local people an easy chance of a day out to listen to some music and be somewhat entertained then why not.  Fuck me, a good portion of people on here will happily pay £27 to be disapointed and unentertained for 90 mins every week. 

I hope it goes well and they learn a lot from it.  The club has got so much wrong in the past few years but this idea is well down the list of things they should be criticised for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:03:48
They must mean "huge" as in physically huge


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:04:54
They must mean "huge" as in physically huge

Mr Blobby?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:07:46
https://countygroundnorthampton.co.uk/whats-on/chris-moyles-90s-hangover/

He likes being booked at County Grounds, here is the Northampton event a week before ours.  Someone get our Commercial team to have a look at their website!

To be fair, it's not a bad event, assuming it's a case of paying a flat fee to hire him in for the night (as that other website seems to suggest it's a case of).  Now I think of it, hasn't Foundation Park now got a big tent - use that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:09:07
That’s the Saturday isn’t it?

With the Sunday a lineup of tribute bands

Well, yes, the Sunday has tribute bands.  The wording made it seem like a load of actual 90's bands were rocking up.  I'm not against either idea - I think good PR & Marketing can get a few thousand in for both.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 20:14:11
Just a quick thought. Aren’t those dates the Play Offs Weekend?

We'll be non league by then


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 21:32:15
Quote
There was a “fake festival” in Peterborough last summer, just checking their website they have a show on the 25th May in Bedford, but nothing on the Sunday so wonder if it’s something like this

https://www.fakefestivals.co.uk/events (https://www.fakefestivals.co.uk/events)
very similar
https://couldbereal.co.uk/ (https://couldbereal.co.uk/)

Nottingham had their acts up. suspect ours will be there soon.

incidentally the STFC bod in charge of putting this together didn't say how many were needed for breakeven but ideally wanted 4000-5000 in.  

did say this year was about getting it up and going though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 22:03:38
Wonder if Callum Rice might be drafted in to offer expertise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 23:05:37
incidentally the STFC bod in charge of putting this together didn't say how many were needed for breakeven but ideally wanted 4000-5000 in. 

(https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/359813851_668303528668782_427286695357478450_n.png?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=WqWdCtUrlUMAX8TknTJ&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=00_AfCsK-b30zGY-qhgnE9wikPqAOtw_fqUJtIYYIaZ5Bh-nw&oe=6561F9FE)


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 07:20:27
I think it a decent attempt at a pilot event to see what interest there is and it's obvious by this thread that it is not aimed at the majority of the miserable old cunts on here, in fact it's probably not aimed at football fans full stop, just happens to be at a football stadium and losely linked as a pre Euros party.

I probably won't be going even though I am a fan of Moyles and a fan generally of decent cover bands, but if it gives local people an easy chance of a day out to listen to some music and be somewhat entertained then why not.  Fuck me, a good portion of people on here will happily pay £27 to be disapointed and unentertained for 90 mins every week. 

I hope it goes well and they learn a lot from it.  The club has got so much wrong in the past few years but this idea is well down the list of things they should be criticised for.
Well said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 09:11:58
I think it a decent attempt at a pilot event to see what interest there is and it's obvious by this thread that it is not aimed at the majority of the miserable old cunts on here, in fact it's probably not aimed at football fans full stop, just happens to be at a football stadium and losely linked as a pre Euros party.

I probably won't be going even though I am a fan of Moyles and a fan generally of decent cover bands, but if it gives local people an easy chance of a day out to listen to some music and be somewhat entertained then why not.  Fuck me, a good portion of people on here will happily pay £27 to be disapointed and unentertained for 90 mins every week. 

I hope it goes well and they learn a lot from it.  The club has got so much wrong in the past few years but this idea is well down the list of things they should be criticised for.

As a cynic when I first read about this I thought it sounded terrible. But when I sat back and thought about it more, I think the club have probably pitched it about right. Clearly we were never going to be able to get bands in time as they have long had their tours sorted for next year, but I think given it's the Euros in the summer and with Euro 96 along with the music of that time remaining popular amongst the generations, I don't think what they've gone for is the worst thing in the world. We have an annual small festival in the town I live (circa population 25k) which consists of a day of local musicians and cover bands and it's always very well received.

Given there is a 90's theme, I would have liked to have maybe seen more effort to try and do something with one of more of the ex-Swindon footballers from that era. I'm sure if you could get say a trio of ex-Town players to do a meet and greet/signing session it would definitely put a few more bums on seats.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 09:36:16
No matter what the club do or try some are pre-conditioned to dismiss it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 09:40:57
It is pretty unclear what level of risk STFC are open to here.

Have they literally just rented out the venue to the promoters? It seems from the posters to be different promoters each night, which suggests that they haven't and STFC are possibly on the hook for the concert infrastructure across the two events and therefore have more risk than they might otherwise have done.

They probably won't be building a separate stage on the Sunday, so it will be the same stage for both events you would think.

Have STFC got the pouring rights for these events? In other words, do they take the bar money? An all day "festival" like the tribute day could be good from that perspective.

Concerts are a perfectly good idea but no one wants loss making events that impact the playing budget, such as it is...

Don't forget this shitshow: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23487178

Weather is a massive factor here too. Both of these events will have a much more casual attendee than your average concert. If the weather is great, what better thing to do on a Sunday than rock up to the CG, have a few ciders and listen to some great tribute bands. If the weather is bad...

Plenty of clubs that we would consider well run have dabbled in this area and got their fingers burned too.

And for the people saying "this isn't for us" they literally polled STFC fans before putting these events on.

I really hope that it works but in the words of John McGreal...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 09:56:06
Peterborough have been running concerts at London Road for several years, to be fair they have generally been better known acts but have been well supported.

They’ve had Elton John, Steps, Tom Jones & Craig David that I can remember.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 09:56:35
The poll thing was quite interesting. They clearly got a good level of response - I was one of the 3,500 that responded but had absolutely no intention of going - but they didn't actually say that they have listened to what people wanted and arranged something kind of in line with the majority. If they get anything north of 3k going, I think they will have done well.

I assume the 4-5k break even point I saw mooted is accumulated over the 2 days?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 09:59:30
I assume the 4-5k break even point I saw mooted is accumulated over the 2 days?

Actually he didn't specifically say that was breakeven. Pointing out as I don't want that figure used to beat the club up with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 10:00:48
Sorry yes fair point Batch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 10:15:02
As a cynic when I first read about this I thought it sounded terrible. But when I sat back and thought about it more, I think the club have probably pitched it about right. Clearly we were never going to be able to get bands in time as they have long had their tours sorted for next year, but I think given it's the Euros in the summer and with Euro 96 along with the music of that time remaining popular amongst the generations, I don't think what they've gone for is the worst thing in the world. We have an annual small festival in the town I live (circa population 25k) which consists of a day of local musicians and cover bands and it's always very well received.

Given there is a 90's theme, I would have liked to have maybe seen more effort to try and do something with one of more of the ex-Swindon footballers from that era. I'm sure if you could get say a trio of ex-Town players to do a meet and greet/signing session it would definitely put a few more bums on seats.
Meet and greet does sound like a good idea, perhaps you could email commercial team and suggest that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 10:22:00
Really good idea. Could even been tied into a hospitality package. Get some 90s STFC legends in there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 10:48:11
I’ve mellowed on the idea. It’s not for me but I don’t doubt there’s an audience for that kind of thing and I’m sure there’s potential to make money with that lineup

My main worry is if it’s being organised in house a) they haven’t really shown themseleves to be logistical high flyers in the last few years and b) is there a risk it takes focus away from other things the commercial department should be focussing on (like season tickets and next years sponsorship)

Certainly don’t want it to fail.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 10:57:50
No matter what the club do or try some are pre-conditioned to dismiss it.

We've done this before and the club lost money.

Its not people being miserable, its people pointing out the obvious.

A bit like everything else to do with the club at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 10:59:33
Get what you are saying Dave, but it does seem to be a package from an external company. I don't know but I suspect the logistics of it all will be handled by them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:03:29
Peterborough have been running concerts at London Road for several years, to be fair they have generally been better known acts but have been well supported.

They’ve had Elton John, Steps, Tom Jones & Craig David that I can remember.

Actual acts that sell out stadiums you mean?

That'll be the reason its well supported.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:04:46
Elton has played the CG.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:05:52
It is pretty unclear what level of risk STFC are open to here.

Have they literally just rented out the venue to the promoters? It seems from the posters to be different promoters each night, which suggests that they haven't and STFC are possibly on the hook for the concert infrastructure across the two events and therefore have more risk than they might otherwise have done.

They probably won't be building a separate stage on the Sunday, so it will be the same stage for both events you would think.

Have STFC got the pouring rights for these events? In other words, do they take the bar money? An all day "festival" like the tribute day could be good from that perspective.

Concerts are a perfectly good idea but no one wants loss making events that impact the playing budget, such as it is...

Don't forget this shitshow: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23487178

Weather is a massive factor here too. Both of these events will have a much more casual attendee than your average concert. If the weather is great, what better thing to do on a Sunday than rock up to the CG, have a few ciders and listen to some great tribute bands. If the weather is bad...

Plenty of clubs that we would consider well run have dabbled in this area and got their fingers burned too.

And for the people saying "this isn't for us" they literally polled STFC fans before putting these events on.

I really hope that it works but in the words of John McGreal...

If the club are in anyway exposed on this, they need to take their heads out of their asses and cancel it.

A quick look online shows the Chris Moyes hangover is mainly at venues of about 1,500 to 2,000.

Its a MECA type show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:07:06
Elton has played the CG.

Elton is a bit of an exception because he's a big football fan and does clubs a favour, I don't think you'll find anyone else who could headline Glastonbury but would also play a 10-15k football stadium.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:10:03
The Moyles Hangover from Manchester Albert Halls in January also has Toploader, Dodgy and Bez and Rowetta from the Happy Mondays. I wonder if we'll get some regional variations as well?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:10:48
The Wurzels


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:11:28
The Moyles Hangover from Manchester Albert Halls in January also has Toploader, Dodgy and Bez and Rowetta from the Happy Mondays. I wonder if we'll get some regional variations as well?

What, Billie Piper?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:12:03
What, Billie Piper?

Why would Billie Piper play at the CG?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:12:36
Why would Billie Piper play at the CG?

Big fan of the Kitmen podcast, I'm told.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:13:20
Big fan of the Kitmen podcast, I'm told.

No.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:14:14
BECAUSE SHE WANTS, BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:16:02
You serve them up, I'll let them pass by...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:17:52
I am sure Jamie Cullum could be persuaded but his target audience probably would not want to go to a grubby football ground to watch him play.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:18:09
You’re the Austin to my Hutton….!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:42:27
The Moyles Hangover from Manchester Albert Halls in January also has Toploader, Dodgy and Bez and Rowetta from the Happy Mondays. I wonder if we'll get some regional variations as well?

That was what I took from the mention of a "line up" in the poster.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 11:53:55
Elton is a bit of an exception because he's a big football fan and does clubs a favour, I don't think you'll find anyone else who could headline Glastonbury but would also play a 10-15k football stadium.

They would. If they play arenas they would. Some a lot smaller than o2/manchester 19k.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 14:15:30
We must be due some Monthly Nonsense soon I imagine...?

Trust's November update said they were there early last week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 14:23:13
Get what you are saying Dave, but it does seem to be a package from an external company. I don't know but I suspect the logistics of it all will be handled by them.

Fingers crossed it is


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 14:25:05
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gv732l

Lots of detail in here. He speaks well but it sounds like we own a chunk of risk.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 14:40:23
I mean there has to be more than just this, right? This is the sort of thing that's on the smaller stage at a Uni May Ball.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 14:44:48
It's a bit square pegs and round holes isn't it? The proposed gigs are more suited to the legends lounge or the meca. It sort of makes no sense to have this on the pitch


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 14:45:01
They would. If they play arenas they would. Some a lot smaller than o2/manchester 19k.

There's a few people in this thread who know a lot more than I do about this, but I understand the economics of indoor vs outdoor gigs are fairly different, not sure you can compare a purpose built concert venue of 15k or whatever with a football or cricket ground trying to hold a similar number.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:02:44
It's a bit square pegs and round holes isn't it? The proposed gigs are more suited to the legends lounge or the meca. It sort of makes no sense to have this on the pitch

I hope the idea is to make them into sort of mini festival style events, that you would otherwise have in an open field (Cricket grounds are often used because of this).  You need to bring in all the stuff around the outside though, like food trucks, toilet facilities 9I presume they open up the stands for this type of use as well), some fairground style attractions etc.  I would think they hope to do better than a field because they can leverage the corporate facilities as well, and sell premium tickets as a result.

I think it has legs.  I don't see it as a massive Revenue generator (basically 4/5k with the ticket prices being pitched, plus several hours of concession revenue, would just about match the revenue from a cup game), but it may be something incremental during a period where you can't get a decent friendly on.  It's a case of doing something in the wheel house of the CCO, who has run night club nights.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:04:26
What was the last concerts that failed and lost money? Can anyone remember the acts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:09:58
What was the last concerts that failed and lost money? Can anyone remember the acts?

Peter Andre, Atomic Kitten, Blue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23487178


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:11:22
3k and lost money.


If you think these sell more than 3k you're living on another planet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:23:28
Wrexham allocated just under 3000 tickets for Boxing Day (2988)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:24:14
Wrexham allocated just under 3000 tickets for Boxing Day (2988)

How many hotel rooms in the Leonardo have they been given? ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:31:34
Wrexham allocated just under 3000 tickets for Boxing Day (2988)

And for all the talk of music events, it's things like this that make money.

While I am all for pushing the envelope and seeing if we can gain new revenue from the "festival" approach, the real money to be made is getting at least two home friendlies against teams that can bring in crowds of 7k+.  Because none of the attendees will be on a season ticket, they generate far more incremental revenue.  The Wrexham game, despite the teeth gnashers, will make double most other games in terms of on the day type revenue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:36:01
And for all the talk of music events, it's things like this that make money.

While I am all for pushing the envelope and seeing if we can gain new revenue from the "festival" approach, the real money to be made is getting at least two home friendlies against teams that can bring in crowds of 7k+.  Because none of the attendees will be on a season ticket, they generate far more incremental revenue.  The Wrexham game, despite the teeth gnashers, will make double most other games in terms of on the day type revenue.

Almost like it is worth investing in getting out of this League...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:40:23
We’d probably get 5 or 6 sell outs in L1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:44:12
If they get Andy Partridge out of retirement, I'm in!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 15:55:17
Putting the cart before the horse, isn't it?

Thought we were going to work on the stadium first before any of this is what Clem originally said? Makes me wonder if that will ever happen.

An actual competitive budget that afforded us a proper squad could have seen us in league one next year. Away followings with teams on the bank potentially 6 to 10 times depending on who goes up and down. Instead we're wasting putting money up for this that I'm pretty certain we won't make back.

Sort out the DRS executive boxes and town end with facilities out and our stadium would attract actual music acts like the slave traders do down the road.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 16:03:32
Peter Andre, Atomic Kitten, Blue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-23487178

Says they had reduced tickets, you'd think with Blue on the bill they'd All Rise!

(I'll get me coat)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 16:10:02
Says they had reduced tickets, you'd think with Blue on the bill they'd All Rise!

(I'll get me coat)

Well our current owners are 'Fly By' night!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 16:46:12
.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 16:57:59
Carlisle flogged to the Waltons.

https://twitter.com/officialcufc/status/1727364026278289639?t=4OzYbsBu5lB4jtw1wafVpQ&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 17:20:03
Jim-Bob?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 18:05:42
They have laid out some key themes ahead of their takeover - investing equity instead of debt to fund the club, first priority is to purchase and build out a training facility, then to develop the existing ground, provide a budget that enables them to compete with the top teams in L1 for the remainder of this season, then aim for promotion next season.  All the sort of stuff you'd have hoped would have happened here.  Instead, we transferred debt (zero equity investment thus far, as far as we know), have diddly squat on the Training Ground (well, we got some scaffolding added, but we still share with Palates) and have had no plans as yet produced for our ground development.

The proof of their pudding will be in the eating I guess, but ours tastes a lot more bitter than it did when we started nibbling on it two years+ ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 18:22:36
As it seems unlikely that Andy Partridge will appear at the County Ground extravaganza, you can all rest easy.

EXTC are playing in Bath on Monday!!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 18:24:04
There’s always Billy Piper😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 19:24:23
There’s always Billy Piper😁
.....or Gilbert O'Sullivan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 19:26:37
.....or Gilbert O'Sullivan

A duo maybe🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 22, 2023, 19:57:04
.....or Gilbert O'Sullivan
The Pirates of Penhill


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 12:22:35
Wonder if Callum Rice might be drafted in to offer expertise.

Muller Rice would have better contacts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:18:21
Muller Rice would have better contacts

We've literally never recovered from this moment. 10 years spent like Uma Thurman in Kill Bill: In a coma whilst getting f***ed every day by the people supposed to be looking after us.

(https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2346988.jpg?type=mds-article-962)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:25:40
Who was the fourth fella there, obviously Rice, McCrory and Murrall? (that rarest of things, an STFC owner to actually end up in clink rather than just deserving to)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:28:17
Gary Hooper.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:28:17
Muller Rice would have better contacts

That kind of goes without saying given Muller are a global company and Callum is a random bloke from Leeds who owns a hotel in Lincolnshire - but I do get where you are coming from :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:30:43
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2013/february/completion-of-sale/

The darkest of days. Forgot that Nick Watkins stuck around... can't have been for long!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:32:09
Quote
Sir William Patey, outgoing Chairman said: “Andrew Black and the outgoing Board leave Swindon as leaders of League One, with a good chance of back to back promotions to the Championship. The quality of our squad is the legacy of the very considerable investment that has been made, and I believe the benefits of this will continue to be enjoyed by fans for seasons to come.

Yeah that erm... hasn't aged spectacularly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:32:54
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2013/february/completion-of-sale/

The darkest of days. Forgot that Nick Watkins stuck around... can't have been for long!

Since Jed and co rode into town it's really been a shit-show of owners, criminals and chancers running the club. The only thing that's really changed is a lick of paint on the CG and a weekly lottery. We've absolutely stagnated off the field and until owners that have a long-term viable plan and some wonga behind it, it's likely to be more of the same I imagine.

But we know this already. Not sure where I read it but Carlisle completed their takeover yesterday and their owners seem to have a plan of action - Training Ground investment - Ground investment and investment in the playing squad to make it competitive in league 1. We're surely a better long term investment than Carlisle - no offence to them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:33:57
Since Jed and co rode into town it's really been a shit-show of owners, criminals and chancers running the club. The only thing that's really changed is a lick of paint on the CG and a weekly lottery. We've absolutely stagnated off the field and until owners that have a long-term viable plan and some wonga behind it, it's likely to be more of the same I imagine.

The ground ownership is, to be fair, a fundamental change. But it's not much to show for a decade, and is almost entirely down to luck rather than judgement on the part of consecutive owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:35:23
The ground ownership is, to be fair, a fundamental change. But it's not much to show for a decade, and is almost entirely down to luck rather than judgement on the part of consecutive owners.

Nothing to do with any of the owners, despite what Clem Jong Un says.

And the benefits/pitfalls of the structure of that deal will not be known until the next turn of the ownership handle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:36:23
The ground ownership is, to be fair, a fundamental change. But it's not much to show for a decade, and is almost entirely down to luck rather than judgement on the part of consecutive owners.

No, that's a good point Nemo and it's remiss of me to forget that.

Very generous of Clem to gift it to the fans mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:36:42
That kind of goes without saying given Muller are a global company and Callum is a random bloke from Leeds who owns a hotel in Lincolnshire - but I do get where you are coming from :)

Yes more an individual inanmate pot of Muller Ruce. Mind you there is probably a lot more live cultures in a pot of that than callum


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:37:47
Yes more an individual inanmate pot of Muller Ruce. Mind you there is probably a lot more live cultures in a pot of that than callum

haha! that's so true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:41:00
Yeah that erm... hasn't aged spectacularly.

The benefits have been enjoyed, just by Jed, Power and Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 13:49:05
The benefits have been enjoyed, just by Jed, Power and Clem.

But Clem isn't taking a single penny out of the club don't forget. (insert relevant Jimmy Hill chin emoji as applicable)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 14:41:41
Jim-Bob?

Clemente the Unbearable Debt Machine?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 14:45:21
But we know this already. Not sure where I read it but Carlisle completed their takeover yesterday and their owners seem to have a plan of action - Training Ground investment - Ground investment and investment in the playing squad to make it competitive in league 1. We're surely a better long term investment than Carlisle - no offence to them.

Higher division than us, and I suspect if someone were arsed to do the analysis one could make an argument that they have a sodding huge potential fan base with barely a league club within 60 odd miles of them.

Plus their ownership seemed pretty stable (part longstanding local businessmen in parts going back 50 odd years/part supporters Trust) without vocal accusations of the Trust being some sort of cuckold organisation for being in cohorts with the ownership.  

As for the rest, its all very easy to say those things, but the proof is in the pudding which hasn't been served in Carlisle yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:01:51
Our pudding would undoubtedly be a spotted dick


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:13:15
So these tribute acts at the CG - are they the same ones that do the rounds of the pubs and clubs on a Wednesday night ?

I wonder how many people on the survey said they wanted to see Chris Moyles & and a Madonna tribute act ?

Was this really the best that could be booked - I suppose they must be confident that it is a money maker though or the marketing guy is going to have some explaining to do


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:19:38
Our pudding would undoubtedly be a spotted dick

We're more of a crumble or flop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:20:31
An Easily Turnedover


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:24:37
Won't be a financier.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:27:59
Clem Brulee?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:38:43
Our pudding would undoubtedly be a spotted dick

a clem caramel surely?

everything turned upside down and a unstable plate of sticky mess


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:39:26
Clem Brulee?

too strong n stable. I've heard that somewhere before now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:40:34
too strong n stable. I've heard that somewhere before now

Maybe he took a blowtorch to the competitive budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 15:48:33
Maybe he took a blowtorch to the competitive budget.

more likely took a branch drain with a trap connector and dipped his ballcock right into the budget
but don't worry january comes with a job lot box of perished ptfe tape to hold it all together along with suggz to serenade us
madness


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 16:30:21
No expectation management here!

Who do you want to see...?

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1727703554872197133


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 16:38:36
I'd quite like Pulp, is that achievable?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 16:45:05
I'd quite like Pulp, is that achievable?

They are apart of their line-up I imagine. It's all in the wording you see, very clever of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 16:45:29
I'd quite like Pulp, is that achievable?

Pulp and Moyles feel rather incongruous... I'd imagine it'll be laddier than that.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 17:45:29
Pulp and Moyles feel rather incongruous... I'd imagine it'll be laddier than that.



michael jackson, faithless and shawwwn ryder will be playing
probably through the clubs amazing PA system that has been upgrade and fixed ofc
its dare!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 18:00:29
Here’s your answer

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/90shangover-lineup


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 18:03:16
Lightning Seeds. I'm actually relatively impressed with that. My expectations were pretty low but I think they've done quite well here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 18:03:34
To be fair that looks pretty good. I am certainly tempted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 18:13:05
I’m upgrading to ‘would be fun after a few beers’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 18:16:27
Nice to see the STFC Legends in there. Well done whoever suggested that.

Looks like a decent day out to be fair. Lets hope they get the numbers.

Odd that neither Moyles nor Lightning Seeds have promoted it on their channels. The club will need that sort of support.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 18:19:11
Now that was a decent line up when Moyles was more in demand!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj1m6ne3dqCAxVfVkEAHQdGDU8QFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fradio1%2Fbigweekend%2F2009%2Flineup%2F&usg=AOvVaw3BfEJTLrwjcmeBBspMkTC6&opi=89978449


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 20:05:59
While I actually like the lightning seeds, we had them when we went up under Di Canio. Season ticket holders got in for free and there was about 200 people actually watching them.

Pulp are the sort of act that could have headlined on their own without the Chris Moyles DJ night shit and potentially even sold out. I went to Cardiff arena which was sold out 7,500 recently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 20:18:55
While I actually like the lightning seeds, we had them when we went up under Di Canio. Season ticket holders got in for free and there was about 200 people actually watching them.

Pulp are the sort of act that could have headlined on their own without the Chris Moyles DJ night shit and potentially even sold out. I went to Cardiff arena which was sold out 7,500 recently.

They are playing in 1,000 person capacity venues in Oxford and Cardiff on their 2024 greatest hits tour, which gives an idea of their level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 20:29:07
While I actually like the lightning seeds, we had them when we went up under Di Canio. Season ticket holders got in for free and there was about 200 people actually watching them.

Pulp are the sort of act that could have headlined on their own without the Chris Moyles DJ night shit and potentially even sold out. I went to Cardiff arena which was sold out 7,500 recently.

Wasn't that Toploader? I remember Di Canio getting on stage with them and singing (badly).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 20:29:51
Yeah I can see that doing okay to be fair. Moyles topping that bill seems a bit strange but there you go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 22:07:38
Wasn't that Toploader? I remember Di Canio getting on stage with them and singing (badly).

Was both. I missed Toploader/Di Canio. Think I left after Lightning Seeds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 22:36:18
Was both. I missed Toploader/Di Canio. Think I left after Lightning Seeds.

Oh, right. Thanks. Didn’t remember who else performed. As you say it was poorly attended.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 23, 2023, 22:41:37
I don't remember it being poorly attended...

It was a fun day. There was a goal of the season competition, all the squad on the stage, Paolo singing with Toploader, it was fun. Genuinely remember it very fondly!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, November 24, 2023, 08:23:49
Yeah I can see that doing okay to be fair. Moyles topping that bill seems a bit strange but there you go.

I thought Chris Moyles would be essentially the host/compere -the DJ sets spaced between the live performances to reduce setup time... it's not a bad idea, a mix of 90s nostalgia with some football nods - but the 'teasing PR' has been more vague and confusing. At least the event looks like it's managed by a professional company.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 24, 2023, 10:48:33
As I said there was maybe 200 people paying attention to The Lightning Seeds, who I like. So tells you a lot about this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 24, 2023, 12:08:42
2nd day

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/couldberealtribute-lineup


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 24, 2023, 13:02:31
I'm no expert on tribute bands & the artists represented probably have more than one tribute act on the go, but on the face of it that looks like a decent lineup.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, November 24, 2023, 13:04:45
It's a no from me, but then I wouldn't have gone if it was the original artists, with the exception of Queen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 24, 2023, 13:08:42
I might go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 24, 2023, 13:09:25
Looks a good line up to me. Be interesting for me to compare pretend Queen with the real thing I saw at Knebworth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 24, 2023, 14:19:22
We go and watch a few tribute bands, but there’s not any on the bill that I would go and see.
Certainly not something I’d travel down for, but does seem like a reasonable spread of bands so may appeal to anyone living local


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 24, 2023, 15:44:52
Don't shoot the messenger but the poster the club have put up potentially breaks rules. The Tribute acts should be placed above who they are tributing. The reason being an unsuspecting punter (they do exist) could believe that Coldplay and Adele are actually playing rather than the actual acts in smaller font.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 24, 2023, 15:47:07
Don't shoot the messenger but the poster the club have put up potentially breaks rules. The Tribute acts should be placed above who they are tributing. The reason being an unsuspecting punter (they do exist) could believe that Coldplay and Adele are actually playing rather than the actual acts in smaller font.

Snitch  ;)

I assume a load of our 'fans' on twitter are now vigorously trying to get the club charged and fined in relation to this.  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 24, 2023, 15:47:28
Don't shoot the messenger but the poster the club have put up potentially breaks rules. The Tribute acts should be placed above who they are tributing. The reason being an unsuspecting punter (they do exist) could believe that Coldplay and Adele are actually playing rather than the actual acts in smaller font.

Probably on the event organiser that one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 24, 2023, 15:51:00
Probably on the event organiser that one.

Yeah, not the club's fault. But I do wonder if there is some loophole. Fake festival is well established and has the same look

https://www.fakefestivals.co.uk/events


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 24, 2023, 15:52:39
Snitch  ;)

I assume a load of our 'fans' on twitter are now vigorously trying to get the club charged and fined in relation to this.  ::)

:)

I know you aren't being serious but as Chalkies said, it's almost certainly on the organiser. Which begs a different question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 24, 2023, 15:55:38
Yeah, not the club's fault. But I do wonder if there is some loophole. Fake festival is well established and has the same look

https://www.fakefestivals.co.uk/events

Might be because the name of the event tells you it isn't the real acts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:01:43
Yeah, not the club's fault. But I do wonder if there is some loophole. Fake festival is well established and has the same look

https://www.fakefestivals.co.uk/events

That's true. I dunno, it was just something I was told that sounded interesting. Perhaps it's something and nothing. I probably should have kept it closed!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:06:39
Well it is called The Could be real TRIBUTE festival. Isn’t that clear enough?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:13:51
Well it is called The Could be real TRIBUTE festival. Isn’t that clear enough?

You’d have thought so wouldn’t you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:20:06
yeah the name of it and saying tribute festival supersedes the other rule I should think. One off gigs though I can imagine that to be the rule.

Although why anyone would think Oasis were playing The Vic for example is another matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:30:30
yeah the name of it and saying tribute festival supersedes the other rule I should think. One off gigs though I can imagine that to be the rule.

Although why anyone would think Oasis were playing The Vic for example is another matter.

About 2009 our Freshers' Week was headlined by Kins of Leon. Multiple people thought it was a typo, and a band that were headlining Glastonbury/Reading were playing a midsize provincial university fresher's night. People aren't particularly critical.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:38:57
About 2009 our Freshers' Week was headlined by Kins of Leon. Multiple people thought it was a typo, and a band that were headlining Glastonbury/Reading were playing a midsize provincial university fresher's night. People aren't particularly critical.

I was actually sat in the vic one night with a mate who wasn't originally from Swindon and he says looking at the pictures of mostly tribute acts on the walls "that one isn't very clever....just says the name Ed Sheeran". Had to tell him he actually played there a couple of times.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, November 24, 2023, 16:58:06
Have we given up on the Monthly Nonsense?

Nearly 2 weeks since it took place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, November 24, 2023, 17:18:35
Have we given up on the look over the books? About two months ago that was promised, wasn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 24, 2023, 17:56:02
Have we given up on the look over the books? About two months ago that was promised, wasn't it?

If the Trust announced they had seen the books and everything was fine, do you think anyone would accept that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 24, 2023, 19:53:31
If the Trust announced they had seen the books and everything was fine, do you think anyone would accept that?

Absofuckinglutelynot.
An admittance of a need for sectioning, err also absofuckinglutelynot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Friday, November 24, 2023, 21:49:32
watching rotherham vs leeeds on tv and can only feel sadness a club like rotherham in the championship with a relatively new ground

OK they are struggling in the champ but i woudl love town to be struggling in the champ right now

sad because i think that there are all the ingredients and potential here that it should be town


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 24, 2023, 22:28:41
watching rotherham vs leeeds on tv and can only feel sadness a club like rotherham in the championship with a relatively new ground

OK they are struggling in the champ but i woudl love town to be struggling in the champ right now

sad because i think that there are all the ingredients and potential here that it should be town

Thinking exactly the same.
Fucking hate where we are right now and the wankers that we have had owning the Club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 24, 2023, 23:03:31
Yo yoing between L1 & Championship would be heaven.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 25, 2023, 08:34:45
Have we given up on the Monthly Nonsense?

Nearly 2 weeks since it took place.

I imagine they will put the minutes out at 3:45 today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 25, 2023, 15:29:57
If the Trust announced they had seen the books and everything was fine, do you think anyone would accept that?

I'd remain somewhat sceptical the club are hiding things.....which given its almost two months and we've not heard fuck all, I'd think you'd agree wouldn't be hysterical?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, November 27, 2023, 17:53:34
Silence in both the worlds of the Monthly Nonsense and the Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Monday, November 27, 2023, 18:38:10
It’s such a shame. The financial history of this club basically puts off a lot of people here in the UK and overseas in looking seriously at the club.

There are way too many skeletons in the cupboard and potential pit falls to risk it. Having talked to a number of them here in the UK and elsewhere, I know that a number will not, and I include myself in this, put family money and reputation into a project that is dodgy to say the least.

Mat one point I had conversations with a possible CEO prepared to work with me. But we both decided that it wasn’t worth the risk.

Now I’m still not sure about Clem. We’ve had a number of conversations since he started. His heart I believe is genuine. Don’t ask me why I think this, I just do.

Has he screwed up, absolutely. Has he admitted it - yes.

As I understand it, he’s due to land in the UK on Boxing Day.

I’m prepared to give him January to sort it out, both on and off the pitch.

After that? We’ll see.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, November 27, 2023, 19:10:58
It’s such a shame. The financial history of this club basically puts off a lot of people here in the UK and overseas in looking seriously at the club.

There are way too many skeletons in the cupboard and potential pit falls to risk it. Having talked to a number of them here in the UK and elsewhere, I know that a number will not, and I include myself in this, put family money and reputation into a project that is dodgy to say the least.

Mat one point I had conversations with a possible CEO prepared to work with me. But we both decided that it wasn’t worth the risk.

Now I’m still not sure about Clem. We’ve had a number of conversations since he started. His heart I believe is genuine. Don’t ask me why I think this, I just do.

Has he screwed up, absolutely. Has he admitted it - yes.

As I understand it, he’s due to land in the UK on Boxing Day.

I’m prepared to give him January to sort it out, both on and off the pitch.

After that? We’ll see.


I am inclined to agree. I defended the club on far too many occasions in the last couple of years to the extent i have fallen out with members of the club and board as i do think i was lied to at times and it has left a real bad in my mouth. Despite all this i still believe that Clem had/has the right intentions and his hands have been tied by still having the hangers on from the Power days.

That is not me burying my head or making excuses, i am disgusted with the club and have not been since August despite having a season ticket


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 27, 2023, 19:21:53
instincts are good, but do you think the said hangers on have for whatever reason 'influence' rather than just being (eg. matchday guests)? I guess so given you've not been since August.

Said it many times by if Clem had come in, clean break, struggled but tried I'd be much happier

I about the club can't win with me now. So much nonsense around directors/not directors, shares and bullshit. But moreover former associates of power with criminal records make me nervous.

Anyway I guess we've done all this to death


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 27, 2023, 19:45:25
Did we ever get any sort of official position on the risk/exposure of the Chelsea dealings?  In relation to whether or not funds were indeed channeled into the club, and, I suppose, whether or not we identified any money going the other way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, November 27, 2023, 20:04:27
I'd remain somewhat sceptical the club are hiding things.....which given its almost two months and we've not heard fuck all, I'd think you'd agree wouldn't be hysterical?

Not at all, but the point I was making is we want the trust to see the finances & report back, but I don’t think many would be happy unless the trust come back with a negative report.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 27, 2023, 20:28:58
and if they come back with a positive report some will wonder if the books were genuine..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 27, 2023, 21:14:32
Did we ever get any sort of official position on the risk/exposure of the Chelsea dealings?  In relation to whether or not funds were indeed channeled into the club, and, I suppose, whether or not we identified any money going the other way?

we know nothing, but what did come out suggest no repayment was needed if we didnt achieve promotion. which sounds just as crazy as the fact that chelsea gave us money in the first place.

power was involved with the club april 2013 and took control december 2013. we did of course play chelsea in the league cup september 2013....



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, November 27, 2023, 21:25:39
I am inclined to agree. I defended the club on far too many occasions in the last couple of years to the extent i have fallen out with members of the club and board as i do think i was lied to at times and it has left a real bad in my mouth. Despite all this i still believe that Clem had/has the right intentions and his hands have been tied by still having the hangers on from the Power days.

That is not me burying my head or making excuses, i am disgusted with the club and have not been since August despite having a season ticket

Welcome back, Dean ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, November 27, 2023, 21:55:17
Welcome back, Dean ;)

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Monday, November 27, 2023, 21:58:47
Unfortunately, Clem is now in a no win situation regarding the books.

We all know the outcome of this, whatever the findings by the Trust, Clem will be a liar.

The only opportunity he has is to support MF with new players. No other options are available.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 27, 2023, 22:32:27
Quote from: Ginginho
Welcome back, Dean ;)

:)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 06:42:52
Unfortunately, Clem is now in a no win situation regarding the books.

We all know the outcome of this, whatever the findings by the Trust, Clem will be a liar.

The only opportunity he has is to support MF with new players. No other options are available.

*All that money will have gone on the Outlay to book the bands and accommodation for the concert. ;)














*I've made that up, not a dicky if that's the case :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 10:16:41
Has to be said, the Trusts PR regarding the accounts this has been a shambles.

Even just a simple ‘we have received the accounts and are working through them’ wouldnt go amiss and im sure would alleviate fans concerns a little.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 10:19:33
Has to be said, the Trusts PR regarding the accounts this has been a shambles.

Even just a simple ‘we have received the accounts and are working through them’ wouldnt go amiss and im sure would alleviate fans concerns a little.
This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 11:07:10
Has to be said, the Trusts PR regarding the accounts this has been a shambles.

Even just a simple ‘we have received the accounts and are working through them’ wouldnt go amiss and im sure would alleviate fans concerns a little.

The Trust's PR full stop has been a shambles for quite a long time now. I have a lot of sympathy for them as volunteers who were geared up for a positive relationship with an upwardly mobile club and have now found themselves as a focal point for fan frustration and a deteriorating relationship with the owners, but they're not exactly keeping members in the loop on anything, apart from a statue which at this point looks rather like a deckchair on the Titanic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 11:15:31
The Trust's PR full stop has been a shambles for quite a long time now. I have a lot of sympathy for them as volunteers who were geared up for a positive relationship with an upwardly mobile club and have now found themselves as a focal point for fan frustration and a deteriorating relationship with the owners, but they're not exactly keeping members in the loop on anything, apart from a statue which at this point looks rather like a deckchair on the Titanic.

Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?

Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?

Certain people there railroaded Clem's takeover and silenced dissenting voices.

We are told that the ground purchase is a good thing. I think we are yet to see how the ownership structure affects the likelihood of a potential takeover.

Never forget: "We know who you are." From a Supporters' Trust?! Disgraceful stuff.

They avoid all questions on social media.

Wholesale changes needed at the Trust ASAP.

("WhY DOnt YoU volUNteeR if YoU CARe so MuCH?")


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 11:29:42
Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They did, but I think it's fair to say the job they volunteered *for* looked very different 10 months ago when they last stood for re-election - at that point it was finishing the sale of the CG and supporting an upwardly mobile club. In the same way that many of us as fans have less interest when we're doing poorly and things feel a bit grim off the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them - not all - feel the same. We'll see who sticks around come the next AGM I guess.

And I think it's pretty likely that there is some internal conflict within the Trust (not itk, I don't speak to any board members regularly) about how hard to go on these things, and when there isn't consensus in the board it can be very difficult to do anything with that sort of organisation.

I'm not saying that I don't largely agree that some of the Trust board members need to take a long look in the mirror, but I understand why they're not the campaigning force that we might like. Certainly I imagine the next AGM could be a bit more interesting than previous ones.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 11:55:16
They did, but I think it's fair to say the job they volunteered *for* looked very different 10 months ago when they last stood for re-election - at that point it was finishing the sale of the CG and supporting an upwardly mobile club. In the same way that many of us as fans have less interest when we're doing poorly and things feel a bit grim off the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them - not all - feel the same. We'll see who sticks around come the next AGM I guess.

And I think it's pretty likely that there is some internal conflict within the Trust (not itk, I don't speak to any board members regularly) about how hard to go on these things, and when there isn't consensus in the board it can be very difficult to do anything with that sort of organisation.

I'm not saying that I don't largely agree that some of the Trust board members need to take a long look in the mirror, but I understand why they're not the campaigning force that we might like. Certainly I imagine the next AGM could be a bit more interesting than previous ones.

We haven't been 'upwardly mobile' since Jed McCrory rode into town.

As to the second point, the whole MO of a Supporters' Trust is to be there when things aren't going well, which happens regularly at our club, so I'd suggest they haven't really thought it through if they thought they were volunteering for a few years of backslapping and canapes whilst cheering the team to the Championship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 12:08:03
Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?

Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?

Certain people there railroaded Clem's takeover and silenced dissenting voices.

We are told that the ground purchase is a good thing. I think we are yet to see how the ownership structure affects the likelihood of a potential takeover.

Never forget: "We know who you are." From a Supporters' Trust?! Disgraceful stuff.

They avoid all questions on social media.

Wholesale changes needed at the Trust ASAP.

("WhY DOnt YoU volUNteeR if YoU CARe so MuCH?")
Every single thing you said there is spot on. Including the last line though, when you are as vocal as you are about these things and as passionate as you clearly are why aren't you doing more than just kicking off online

That really is not a dig but it can't be healthy at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 12:46:56
It’s such a shame. The financial history of this club basically puts off a lot of people here in the UK and overseas in looking seriously at the club.

There are way too many skeletons in the cupboard and potential pit falls to risk it. Having talked to a number of them here in the UK and elsewhere, I know that a number will not, and I include myself in this, put family money and reputation into a project that is dodgy to say the least.

Mat one point I had conversations with a possible CEO prepared to work with me. But we both decided that it wasn’t worth the risk.


 :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 12:51:49
and if they come back with a positive report some will wonder if the books were genuine..

Especially after a two month delay (and counting)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 12:54:07
They did, but I think it's fair to say the job they volunteered *for* looked very different 10 months ago when they last stood for re-election - at that point it was finishing the sale of the CG and supporting an upwardly mobile club. In the same way that many of us as fans have less interest when we're doing poorly and things feel a bit grim off the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them - not all - feel the same. We'll see who sticks around come the next AGM I guess.

And I think it's pretty likely that there is some internal conflict within the Trust (not itk, I don't speak to any board members regularly) about how hard to go on these things, and when there isn't consensus in the board it can be very difficult to do anything with that sort of organisation.

I'm not saying that I don't largely agree that some of the Trust board members need to take a long look in the mirror, but I understand why they're not the campaigning force that we might like. Certainly I imagine the next AGM could be a bit more interesting than previous ones.

I think its fairly obvious there will be conflict within the trust. There is conflict in the fan base in general and the trust is an extension of the fan base.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 12:58:09
They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?
I don't disagree with you...if you fancy a nose about their accounts are available online
https://truststfc.com/accounts-and-rules/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 13:03:27
Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?



Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?

Certain people there railroaded Clem's takeover and silenced dissenting voices.

We are told that the ground purchase is a good thing. I think we are yet to see how the ownership structure affects the likelihood of a potential takeover.

Never forget: "We know who you are." From a Supporters' Trust?! Disgraceful stuff.

They avoid all questions on social media.

Wholesale changes needed at the Trust ASAP.

("WhY DOnt YoU volUNteeR if YoU CARe so MuCH?")

Are you a Trust member? If not then you wouldn't get the communication they have sent, which I'm sure they could do more but a lot of those points have been covered and you can't vote for 'change'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 13:08:33
I don't disagree with you...if you fancy a nose about their accounts are available online
https://truststfc.com/accounts-and-rules/

Subscriber income of £1.5k a year, that's pretty piss poor.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 13:22:08
Subscriber income of £1.5k a year, that's pretty piss poor.

In the interests of offering solutions and not just problems I have said that I think a straightforward subscriber/membership tier would be wise to capture those who might otherwise be put off by the byzantine nature of the Voting Shares etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 13:26:11
Subscriber income of £1.5k a year, that's pretty piss poor.

I think that *might* be the £1-5 per person membership and not any additional money offered to the Red Army Fund?

The net income is £77,181, which is quite a lot more!

The most recent accounts are pre-CG purchase I think?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 13:31:58
I could be wrong here, but isn't the balance of the 19.69 share accounted for in the JV vehicle instead?, or maybe it's counted in the Donations line?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 13:54:35
I could be wrong here, but isn't the balance of the 19.69 share accounted for in the JV vehicle instead?, or maybe it's counted in the Donations line?

Don't these accounts pre-date that whole offer? They're to year end Aug 22, CG purchase doesn't complete until March 23.

I think this is the old school tiered membership?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 14:03:41
Could be, thought it started a couple of years ago, but maybe not.  There was a significant uptick in donations in the 21/22 accounts either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 14:42:21
Subscriber income of £1.5k a year, that's pretty piss poor.

It is pretty close to the member number? Then you have a donation amount of c£75k, which would give c£50 donation per person?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 14:44:20

Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?


My main frustration with the speculative survey was it was far too vague. Asking if I thought a hotel would be a good idea... yes, if it's with an established chain like the Doubletree at Milton Keynes, but an independent venture could be ridiculous and risky...

See also the fanzone... and asking if I thought people would go there to eat during the week when there was no game, obviously not! No room for nuance, it's just consent manufacturing on behalf of the club it feels.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 18:42:01
We have a new "shirt sleeve" sponsor


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 09:55:46
Published 7th November 2023
https://truststfc.com/2023/11/07/truststfc-update-november-2023/

"At the Advisory Board meeting on 15th September, the owner committed to allow a member of the Trust board to inspect the financial records of the Club. Despite multiple attempts and reminders, this has not yet taken place. This was raised again with the CEO and the owner on Monday morning and arrangements are now being made for Scott Curtis, the Trust’s treasurer, to undertake the inspection within the next couple of weeks1. Further details on the contents of the review will be provided in due course.

Until Scott has undertaken this review and confirmed the current financial status, we have asked that the debt/financial page be removed from the Advisory Board minutes."

The lack of update is now creating further murmuring. As I see it:
- This could be by design, it puts more pressure on the club
- The trust are unable to hold the club to do what they say
- The club are not willing to allow access

The last option opens a further can of worms. I really hope an update is coming


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 09:58:18
Maybe Scott from the Trust has had to sign an NDA and only he will ever know what the books look like :)

I know the Trust did provide an update about a week ago, but it's probably time to say something/provide some sort of update at least. Silence isn't golden at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 10:01:20
I think that article linked from the 7th was the last update, wasn't it? Since then we've had three "Dan the Fan" columns, an ESG update, an update on the museum and stadium tours and an update on the regulator... Oh and the one on the 15th about the Wrexham hotel palaver - even that was two weeks ago.

On Twitter, the Trust account seems to almost exclusively try to sell tickets to the womens teams games now, which whilst commendable, is not really what they're for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 10:10:50
Maybe Scott from the Trust has had to sign an NDA and only he will ever know what the books look like :)

I know the Trust did provide an update about a week ago, but it's probably time to say something/provide some sort of update at least. Silence isn't golden at the moment.
I'd assume an NDA would be a prerequisite to a third party reviewing the books be they trust volunteers or an interested purchasing party (we're not for sale but our books can be made open in those circumstances).

Having pondered more - I think it's likely the club are being stubborn.
Presumably Clem is only human and his commitment to the books being shared was an error.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 10:39:07
I'd assume an NDA would be a prerequisite to a third party reviewing the books be they trust volunteers or an interested purchasing party (we're not for sale but our books can be made open in those circumstances).

Having pondered more - I think it's likely the club are being stubborn.
Presumably Clem is only human and his commitment to the books being shared was an error.

Again, this is pure conjecture and I know Clem has said the club is not for sale, but perhaps there are interested parties that are currently looking at the books with a view to a takeover, and this is why it's radio silence as takeovers are generally done very quietly behind the scenes until the T's have been crossed and the I's dotted?

Or, it's exactly what you are saying and the club are being stubborn. But if that was the case, why are the Trust then not vocalising it to the fanbase?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 10:51:02
I'd assume an NDA would be a prerequisite to a third party reviewing the books be they trust volunteers or an interested purchasing party (we're not for sale but our books can be made open in those circumstances).

Having pondered more - I think it's likely the club are being stubborn.
Presumably Clem is only human and his commitment to the books being shared was an error.

He pushed the wrong button on companies house again.



On the subject of NDAs though. One delay could be a potential buyer is currently looking over them and doesn't want anyone else looking at them until they've decided if they'll offer and how much.

Or that might be giving Clem and the club more credit than they've demonstrated they deserve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 10:51:52
Again, this is pure conjecture and I know Clem has said the club is not for sale, but perhaps there are interested parties that are currently looking at the books with a view to a takeover, and this is why it's radio silence as takeovers are generally done very quietly behind the scenes until the T's have been crossed and the I's dotted?

Or, it's exactly what you are saying and the club are being stubborn. But if that was the case, why are the Trust then not vocalising it to the fanbase?


Ah hadn't read this, but had the exact same thought.

I'm not sure the club would communicate this to be honest. I would want them spending all their time sussing the new buyers out if it was the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 11:10:21
Ah hadn't read this, but had the exact same thought.

I'm not sure the club would communicate this to be honest. I would want them spending all their time sussing the new buyers out if it was the case.

Yeah totally. It does leave the Trust in a bit of a tricky spot, but they would be absolutely right to make no comment if this was indeed the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 12:13:27
I can't see that the Trust getting access and reviewing the books would make that much of a difference...Surely any (non Clem) buyer would have their own accountants, would presumably find the same issues (hidden debentures etc)?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 12:16:33
Or maybe it's that any potential new buyer doesn't want the relationship or harsh rigour the STFC trust are known for, looking over the books?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 12:58:50
Or maybe it's that any potential new buyer doesn't want the relationship or harsh rigour the STFC trust are known for, looking over the books?

Well very clearly no buyers before has ever wanted true transparency as the trust have never seen the books before. Captain hindsight I realise but probably should have been a condition of the JV.

I'd be surprised any potential buyer wants the fans knowing what a gravy train the club has been for the mob of Jed, Power, Clem, Hart, Keily, Zav, Parladorio, Tom, Dick and Harry over the last decade as sadly (and sceptically) I'd imagine a few buyers will want that gravy train to continue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 13:36:17
You’ve got to wonder if when a rogue ownership sells a club a condition of the sale is that fans aren’t told how much money has been siphoned off under their tenure by the new owner. A sort of NDA type arrangement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 13:54:34
You’ve got to wonder if when a rogue ownership sells a club a condition of the sale is that fans aren’t told how much money has been siphoned off under their tenure by the new owner. A sort of NDA type arrangement.

Yeah would say standard practice to agree to not talk about previous owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 13:57:32
Our most recent transfer of ownership was preceded by the "loss" of most documents (as confirmed by the Standing court case).  The fact it seemingly blindsided Clem would also suggest a degree of incompetence on his behalf in a) doing any due diligence, but more importantly b) the fact he was an non-exec Director for several years.  If you are not going to provide any oversight having invested 1.15m into a business, what hope is there.  The entire gang, previous and present, seem to be a nod is as good as a wink type crew, best keep everything verbal an not written down, which is never a good sign.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 14:15:20
So what’s the preferred outcome of the Power/Standing case?

Presuming it’d be Power winning (spits).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 14:28:34
So what’s the preferred outcome of the Power/Standing case?

Presuming it’d be Power winning (spits).

For the football club, yes.  It shouldn't impact the club ownership in any way and it would provide a degree of evidence to reject a claim of Standing having any sort of controlling interest in a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 14:29:16
So what’s the preferred outcome of the Power/Standing case?

Presuming it’d be Power winning (spits).

Seemingly tidier to the layperson you'd think...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 15:49:49
You’ve got to wonder if when a rogue ownership sells a club a condition of the sale is that fans aren’t told how much money has been siphoned off under their tenure by the new owner. A sort of NDA type arrangement.

Of course not. Some people seem to think Lee Power was hellbent on destroying this club from the off, but it's more likely he wanted to cash in and sell up to some schmuck. Turning the lights off and not paying people was likely just a bitter dispute between him and Clem. Who knows how many times LP could have sold up, we've learnt allegations pointing to top flight players, agents, oligarchs and god knows who else putting money in...

We published accounts for 21/22 that were the bare minimum. Why it seems to be a challenge to even do that again should ring alarm bells. I'd expect the 'administrative costs' and subsequent losses are difficult to square.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 17:44:09
Back on the subject of the obvious impending failing concerts. I don't know how many people Guildhall Square in Southampton holds but I keep getting ads for their "Summer sessions".

Headliners for each: Tom Jones, Madness, Nile Rogers and Chic and The Kaiser Chiefs.

The sort of acts that would make this obviously viable. I was expecting somewhere in between that and what we got.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 18:50:13
This is exactly the point.  There is a new circuit emerging.  Bands are doing tours of town squares, castles, amusement parks.  Summer series, summer sounds, summer sessions everywhere. 

One of the companies I work for have emailed me asking me to commit to some shows next summer as they have 180 shows next summer.  Between Cardiff castle, Halifax piece hall, Margate dreamland, some park in Bedford, Scarborough open air theatre, somewhere in Plymouth, Lytham, Lincoln, Derby and a bunch of others.  All with decent bands.  Last year I did Paul Heaton, Sting, Hollywood Vampires and Rag n Bone man for them in Scarborough.

The bands are there, the promoters are there looking for places.  Sadly we chose to go another way that I dont think will neccesarily be a success.  I hope Im proved wrong.   


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 20:36:29
You doing the Suede gig at Margate?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 21:35:41
This is exactly the point.  There is a new circuit emerging.  Bands are doing tours of town squares, castles, amusement parks.  Summer series, summer sounds, summer sessions everywhere. 

One of the companies I work for have emailed me asking me to commit to some shows next summer as they have 180 shows next summer.  Between Cardiff castle, Halifax piece hall, Margate dreamland, some park in Bedford, Scarborough open air theatre, somewhere in Plymouth, Lytham, Lincoln, Derby and a bunch of others.  All with decent bands.  Last year I did Paul Heaton, Sting, Hollywood Vampires and Rag n Bone man for them in Scarborough.

The bands are there, the promoters are there looking for places.  Sadly we chose to go another way that I dont think will neccesarily be a success.  I hope Im proved wrong.   

Company I work for, one of the women is married to Stings brother…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 21:52:14
Company I work for, one of the women is married to Stings brother…

Can you tell her to tell Sting I'm sorry I didn't see him in Vegas, but I promised the Mrs we'd go to a cirque de soliel show. If he rocks up at the Vic I promise to go.

(Genuinely peeved at missing out)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 21:56:17
Can you tell her to tell Sting I'm sorry I didn't see him in Vegas, but I promised the Mrs we'd go to a cirque de soliel show. If he rocks up at the Vic I promise to go.

(Genuinely peeved at missing out)

As a right wing fascist Tory cunt, you’ll not be surprised if I ask for a small donation to assist the turning of wheels to facilitate your request 😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 29, 2023, 23:02:32
This is exactly the point.  There is a new circuit emerging.  Bands are doing tours of town squares, castles, amusement parks.  Summer series, summer sounds, summer sessions everywhere. 

One of the companies I work for have emailed me asking me to commit to some shows next summer as they have 180 shows next summer.  Between Cardiff castle, Halifax piece hall, Margate dreamland, some park in Bedford, Scarborough open air theatre, somewhere in Plymouth, Lytham, Lincoln, Derby and a bunch of others.  All with decent bands.  Last year I did Paul Heaton, Sting, Hollywood Vampires and Rag n Bone man for them in Scarborough.

The bands are there, the promoters are there looking for places.  Sadly we chose to go another way that I dont think will neccesarily be a success.  I hope Im proved wrong.   

Some of those venues holding less than the county ground too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 13:16:01
Slight aside. Is the club shop not open a few hours on non-matchday Saturday any more?

Should have checked before choosing to pick up the Wimbledon tickets - 10-4 is no good on a weekday :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 13:30:35
Slight aside. Is the club shop not open a few hours on non-matchday Saturday any more?

Should have checked before choosing to pick up the Wimbledon tickets - 10-4 is no good on a weekday :(

I don't believe it is anymore, only on a matchday Saturday do they open.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 13:44:21
Damn it! Thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 13:47:23
Damn it! Thanks.

I believe that any tickets which aren't collected will go up on the supporter coach & can be collected at their ground somewhere. I know I have done that in the past.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 13:51:06
Slight aside. Is the club shop not open a few hours on non-matchday Saturday any more?

Should have checked before choosing to pick up the Wimbledon tickets - 10-4 is no good on a weekday :(

At the bottom of the last email I got from the club shop it says

Away match Saturday’s - CLOSED

…doesn’t state if they are open on Saturdays where we don’t have a game because we got embarrassing obliterated in the first round of the FA Cup by a non league side - again.


…but I imagine they’d just treat that like an away day Saturday …


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 13:54:07
I believe that any tickets which aren't collected will go up on the supporter coach & can be collected at their ground somewhere. I know I have done that in the past.

yeah, always nervous of that but might be the only way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 14:06:32
At the bottom of the last email I got from the club shop it says

Away match Saturday’s - CLOSED

…doesn’t state if they are open on Saturdays where we don’t have a game because we got embarrassing obliterated in the first round of the FA Cup by a non league side - again.


…but I imagine they’d just treat that like an away day Saturday …

From an article on the club website:-

STFC STORE:

Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday: 10am - 4pm

Wednesday, Sunday and Bank Holiday: Closed

Saturday (Home Matchday): 11am - 3pm and full-time until 5:45pm

Tuesday (Home Matchday): 10am - kickoff


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 14:11:48
I believe that any tickets which aren't collected will go up on the supporter coach & can be collected at their ground somewhere. I know I have done that in the past.

Yeah me too. I did it for Franchise. The tickets were ready for collection at 2pm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 14:17:53
Yeah me too. I did it for Franchise. The tickets were ready for collection at 2pm.

Likewise worked for me at Morecambe, I suppose the only fly in the ointment could be if the supporters coach gets stuck in traffic as it did on the way up to Carlisle a fair few years back, from recollection arriving just before half time!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 14:25:19
Likewise worked for me at Morecambe, I suppose the only fly in the ointment could be if the supporters coach gets stuck in traffic as it did on the way up to Carlisle a fair few years back, from recollection arriving just before half time!

Yeah, that must be Batch's fear also. Getting through the London traffic isn't easy at the best of times, and even worse during the festive period.

I wonder if the club took so long to get the tickets on sale to save on the extortionate mail costs now a first class stamp has gone up to £1.25. £1,250 better off - cha ching.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 15:04:22
I wonder if the club took so long to get the tickets on sale to save on the extortionate mail costs now a first class stamp has gone up to £1.25. £1,250 better off - cha ching.

TBF I'm amazed they even risk the post, I posted a birthday card to our niece the other week in a post box c.200 metres away from where she lives (still of an age where getting post is very exciting), 1st class stamp and all that jazz, took over a week to arrive!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 16:09:55
Yeah, that must be Batch's fear also. Getting through the London traffic isn't easy at the best of times, and even worse during the festive period.

Two main fears were unreliable post, and the tickets not turning up on the supporters coach (I got "lucky" at the Brighton playoff game in deciding to drive to Swindon to get them).

Didn't think of the coach being late!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 16:35:17
Two main fears were unreliable post, and the tickets not turning up on the supporters coach (I got "lucky" at the Brighton playoff game in deciding to drive to Swindon to get them).

Didn't think of the coach being late!

TBH if the coach was going to be late I would suspect/hope that the two clubs would sort something to get you in anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 17:14:51
From Twitter

‘ I just noticed that the stfc board of directors page has changed... clems solicitor has gone, but Chris Keily has been added alongside his wife?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 17:19:31
From Twitter

‘ I just noticed that the stfc board of directors page has changed... clems solicitor has gone, but Chris Keily has been added alongside his wife?

That sound you can hear is the steam coming off STFC Questions' keyboard


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 17:21:03
So is that Paralorgohjjk, or whatever the name is, has gone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 17:27:59
From Twitter

‘ I just noticed that the stfc board of directors page has changed... clems solicitor has gone, but Chris Keily has been added alongside his wife?

Accounting website error.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 18:42:34
From Twitter

‘ I just noticed that the stfc board of directors page has changed... clems solicitor has gone, but Chris Keily has been added alongside
 his wife?

It was changed after the share mistake


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 18:43:13
Since when have away fans been allowed in the Legenda Lounge?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/live-music-in-our-legends-lounge-this-boxing-day


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 18:52:30
Since when have away fans been allowed in the Legenda Lounge?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/live-music-in-our-legends-lounge-this-boxing-day

Since about.... Now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 19:47:28
Since when have away fans been allowed in the Legenda Lounge?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/live-music-in-our-legends-lounge-this-boxing-day

It’s a poorly written article again as further on down it says the following:- “ As always, entry to the Legends Lounge is free with a home Match or Season Ticket, so all fans who are already planning to come to the game are invited!”

We need to get someone in who can proof read these things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 20:36:08
I could have sworn it just said "match ticket" too.

Must have pre conditioned myself after reading the first bit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 30, 2023, 20:53:22
The bit about Wrexham fans is no longer there


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 1, 2023, 10:25:24
Well that's cleared it up.

Do the club still open Bar 72 for away fans?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 1, 2023, 10:43:36
I’d imagine every drinking hole will be rammed Boxing Day. The Merlin was rammed v Mansfield and I had to resort to the Legends.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 1, 2023, 10:54:30
To clarify its the bar right on the corner of the Arkells and the Bank that I mean. Might have got the name wrong.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 1, 2023, 11:05:05
I’d imagine every drinking hole will be rammed Boxing Day. The Merlin was rammed v Mansfield and I had to resort to the Legends.
Will be my first game in person of the season, luckily I wont be mixing with your riff raff as I am going corporate.

(https://media.tenor.com/YZXoYtQrWfwAAAAC/pirates-of.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 1, 2023, 11:09:32
Will be my first game in person of the season, luckily I wont be mixing with your riff raff as I am going corporate.

(https://media.tenor.com/YZXoYtQrWfwAAAAC/pirates-of.gif)

With the Wrexham fans  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 1, 2023, 11:27:27
Capitalist scum!

I’ll make sure to practice my forelock tugging.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 1, 2023, 11:39:43
Capitalist scum!

I’ll make sure to practice my forelock tugging.
Are there no prisons? are there no workhouses? :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, December 1, 2023, 21:52:56
Interesting nugget from Wellens in his in-depth podcast interview with Look Sport that his remit at Swindon was to get us to League One so Power could sell the club for more money. Specifically referenced Power valuing us at £8mn in L2 but doubling to £16mn in L1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 1, 2023, 22:09:25
£16m :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, December 1, 2023, 22:10:47
£16m :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
I know  :D kept hammering the 40 mins from Paddington line.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, December 2, 2023, 11:04:35
Back on the world of the live music weekend.  Ive just noticed the people promoting it.  I know them well and they are all right.  Not some dodgy little company.

The guy who owns the company used to be one of my DJ's when I was running Demontfort Student Union in Leicester in the late 90's / early 2000's.

Nice guy, saw him earlier this year at Camp Bestival where he had a couple of acts he represents on (Jo Whiley and a couple of others)

Very much on the overly commercial side of things.  Who knows if it will work or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 2, 2023, 21:09:36
£16m :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Clem thinks its worth £15m now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, December 2, 2023, 22:07:19
Interesting nugget from Wellens in his in-depth podcast interview with Look Sport that his remit at Swindon was to get us to League One so Power could sell the club for more money. Specifically referenced Power valuing us at £8mn in L2 but doubling to £16mn in L1.

Thing is wellens did get us to league one though. Wonder what power said to Sheridan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 10:33:30
My prediction for Hall on the sofa -

surface level semi-compelling legal argument that the trust shouldn't see the books, he can't go into details.
Clem is just a passionate man, he committed to this before we realised we might not be able to share the books.
We're looking into it, we're all passionate about STFC. Did you know we'd won two on the bounce? I bet you'd like to see Youngy and Kempy stay past january right? Well we can only do that if EVERYONE buys two recently reduced STFC shirts, a £10 foam finger per game and stocks up on food from the concourse for the week. You want us to be successful right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:20:33
You cynic Bennett.

:)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:50:26
My prediction for Hall on the sofa -

surface level semi-compelling legal argument that the trust shouldn't see the books, he can't go into details.
Clem is just a passionate man, he committed to this before we realised we might not be able to share the books.
We're looking into it, we're all passionate about STFC. Did you know we'd won two on the bounce? I bet you'd like to see Youngy and Kempy stay past january right? Well we can only do that if EVERYONE buys two recently reduced STFC shirts, a £10 foam finger per game and stocks up on food from the concourse for the week. You want us to be successful right?

followed by the facebook group saying how "well said" it was.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:07:59
My prediction for Hall on the sofa -

surface level semi-compelling legal argument that the trust shouldn't see the books, he can't go into details.
Clem is just a passionate man, he committed to this before we realised we might not be able to share the books.
We're looking into it, we're all passionate about STFC. Did you know we'd won two on the bounce? I bet you'd like to see Youngy and Kempy stay past january right? Well we can only do that if EVERYONE buys two recently reduced STFC shirts, a £10 foam finger per game and stocks up on food from the concourse for the week. You want us to be successful right?

 :clap:

Responded to with waves of “appreciate the honesty, if anyone thinks they can do better, put your money where your mouth is”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:33:30
Followed by the manager is looking at new players for January and he has a healthy budget it is down to him how he uses his budget


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:21:30
These are the same bellends that say Boris Johnson did a good job with covid


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:24:04
he and clem have consistently got the big calls right


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:36:54
Followed by the manager is looking at new players for January and he has a healthy budget it is down to him how he uses his budget

Who then just can't seem to find the right players for some reason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:42:58
These are the same bellends that say Boris Johnson did a good job with covid

Let us hope that Clem isn't followed by Liz Truss.

Although thinking about it, maybe Truss is BEST Holdings, they lasted about the same amount of time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:05:27
Trust update on reviewing the accounts - club aren't playing ball. Meeting initiated but no progress as of yet. Trust are disappointed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:09:57
Quote
The TrustSTFC board wants to update members on the ongoing evaluation of the club’s accounts. Club chairman Clem Morfuni offered the Trust the opportunity to review the financial position in the September 23 Advisory Board meeting. Since then, we’ve been actively working with the club to organise the review. Our goal is for Scott Curtis, the Trust Treasurer and Management Accountant, to present a clear analysis of the club’s finances to members in an understandable manner.

While the process was expected to take time, we’ve encountered delays beyond our control. Despite frustrations, we have initiated the process with an initial meeting. We acknowledge the criticism regarding the lack of communication and are committed to providing updates, even if progress is minimal.

We are disappointed in the current stage of progress and are actively engaging with the club to expedite the review. We will continue to press for the next stage and offer solutions to accelerate progress. The Trust board commits to providing a further update, regardless of the level of progress, by Thursday, December 21.

We remain passionate about concluding this process to offer members a clear analysis of the club’s finances. We acknowledge communication mistakes and appreciate your continued support as we work towards providing the analysis you want to see.

COY R,
The TrustSTFC Board.

I imagine "disappointed" may be somewhat a milder than others would use, but good to get an update at least.

The obvious question is "what comes next if the Club don't relent"... which is, let's be honest, a difficult question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:10:40
Trust update on reviewing the accounts - club aren't playing ball. Meeting initiated but no progress as of yet. Trust are disappointed.

Just read the update, which is that there is no update. Clearly Clem isn't playing ball anymore & if he doesn't want to show the accounts he doesn't have too no matter what he's said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:13:18
Haha. Clockwork. The day the AXIS man is due to appear on the superfan panel at 7pm, we miraculously have something in the form of an update.

Fuck all of them, sooner these cowboys are gone the better, enough interested parties looking to own a football club, proof in the pudding just look at takeovers in our league and league 1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:18:47
Haha. Clockwork. The day the AXIS man is due to appear on the superfan panel at 7pm, we miraculously have something in the form of an update.

I know what you mean, but I can't imagine this particular update is going to make it *easier* for Axis man, is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:21:20
He's stalling because he is selling is my guess.

Either way he is a cunt. Another broken promise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:23:41
Can’t even say I’m disappointed, it’s what I expected


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:32:10
I know what you mean, but I can't imagine this particular update is going to make it *easier* for Axis man, is it?

That’s what I thought at first, but I guess it depends on what questions are put to him.
You’d like to think question 1 would be why is there still a delay?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:34:35
Genuinely be surprised if the supporters club even ask.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:34:39
https://truststfc.com/2023/11/27/stfc-museum-and-county-ground-tours/?mc_cid=95c60234a1&mc_eid=e0574184a9

Now, don't get me wrong, I think the idea of stadium tours and bringing history into the ground is a great idea - in fact, I took my son to a stadium tour of Spurs' new ground (they took my jibes about the trophy display being a bit sparse quite well).  However, is this really something the Trust should be running?

It seems like a perfect idea for a business looking to add some extra Revenue to own and the perfect thing for a non political Supporters Club to help by adding content.  The Trust is not designed or meant for such things, is there a reason they seem to get involved in so much that really has little to do with their two primary objectives - working on a stadium redevelopment and building funds to eventually have shares in the club.

I expressed concerns a few years ago that they'd spread themselves too thin if they didn't just narrow their focus to the ground.  Look what happens when you eyes and efforts are all over the shop, the owners get a free ride.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 17:13:51
Consider me shocked that this has not happened.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 17:26:17
https://truststfc.com/2023/11/27/stfc-museum-and-county-ground-tours/?mc_cid=95c60234a1&mc_eid=e0574184a9

Now, don't get me wrong, I think the idea of stadium tours and bringing history into the ground is a great idea - in fact, I took my son to a stadium tour of Spurs' new ground (they took my jibes about the trophy display being a bit sparse quite well).  However, is this really something the Trust should be running?


No. Its something that a fully functioning competently ran football club should be doing themselves with staff, not relying on volunteers.

I wonder what that's like.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 4, 2023, 17:44:13
https://truststfc.com/2023/11/27/stfc-museum-and-county-ground-tours/?mc_cid=95c60234a1&mc_eid=e0574184a9

Now, don't get me wrong, I think the idea of stadium tours and bringing history into the ground is a great idea - in fact, I took my son to a stadium tour of Spurs' new ground (they took my jibes about the trophy display being a bit sparse quite well).  However, is this really something the Trust should be running?

It seems like a perfect idea for a business looking to add some extra Revenue to own and the perfect thing for a non political Supporters Club to help by adding content.  The Trust is not designed or meant for such things, is there a reason they seem to get involved in so much that really has little to do with their two primary objectives - working on a stadium redevelopment and building funds to eventually have shares in the club.

I expressed concerns a few years ago that they'd spread themselves too think if they didn't just narrow their focus to the ground.  Look what happens when you eyes and efforts are all over the shop, the owners get a free ride.

They do have 10/11 board members, too many cooks can cause issues?  The museum is a charity with it's own trustees



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 18:03:56
And this whole looking at the accounts thing, it's pointless anyway.  The club will rely on commercial sensitivity to prevent any real details from being reviewed or published.  A look at some, likely well scrubbed, financial data won't give much insight anyway.

What the Trust should be pushing for, given the stated desire of the club to be open/honest/transparent, is for the club to produce the most detailed accounts possible in the public domain and use other clubs to give examples of what that means.  If the club wants to hide behind secrecy instead, let that be on public record.  Get them to show their hypocrisy in public statements vs actual documents.

I still think they (Trust STFC) should only be doing two things right now - working on a Ground Development plan and working on an investment strategy to get control or some degree of equity of the club itself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 18:06:02
oh, and I am a member, and I did e-mail such thoughts (on the accounts side).  Never received a response though.  Live too far away to be on the Board, before someone suggests I get more involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 4, 2023, 18:10:30
And this whole looking at the accounts thing, it's pointless anyway.  The club will rely on commercial sensitivity to prevent any real details from being reviewed or published.  A look at some, likely well scrubbed, financial data won't give much insight anyway.

What the Trust should be pushing for, given the stated desire of the club to be open/honest/transparent, is for the club to produce the most detailed accounts possible in the public domain and use other clubs to give examples of what that means.  If the club wants to hide behind secrecy instead, let that be on public record.  Get them to show their hypocrisy in public statements vs actual documents.

I still think they (Trust STFC) should only be doing two things right now - working on a Ground Development plan and working on an investment strategy to get control or some degree of equity of the club itself.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anything on your last point on investing into the club? Trusts should be doing more than just ground development, as that is being lead by the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, December 4, 2023, 18:58:35
Has anyone considered the possibility that the reason the Trust don’t have access to the accounts is that a buyer may have a period of exclusivity that prevents disclosure to a third party, such as the Trust?
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:01:46
Haha this CEO on the OSC.

Straight out there denying the trust statement

Saying he is angry about what is being inferred


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:03:07
Haha this CEO on the OSC.

Straight out there denying the trust statement

He’s not happy at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:06:03
If this guy is really involved in running the club then we are fucked!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:09:21
STFC board official in “being an aggressive nob” shocker. Comes across as similarly arrogant and dopey as Z Austin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:10:17
We're in the same camp as all clubs in the L2, they are all losing £1-2m.
So Clem is putting in £250k a month...that's £3m


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:10:30
Oh, what have I missed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:11:20
Oh, what have I missed?

Osc on facebook now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:11:52
Haha this CEO on the OSC.

Straight out there denying the trust statement

Saying he is angry about what is being inferred
The Trust wouldn't have popped out from the bushes without being able to back themselves


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:12:01
Oh, what have I missed?
https://www.youtube.com/live/NTNlotJAV1o?si=5xwhBQkloDWSo7G4


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:12:53
The Trust wouldn't have popped out from the bushes without being able to back themselves

‘Come and see me in my office in the morning!’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:14:09
Cost £8.2m to run the club last season  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:14:48
I would bloody love the club to quantify the income we're missing out on due to "previous owners"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:16:02
The question needs to be asked of the £8.2m that it costs to run the club, how much is paid to Kelly/z Austin/Morfuni/Standing/Parladorio, or any of their associates, companies that they have an interest in, etc etc. Smoke and mirrors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:17:25
Cost £8.2m to run the club last season  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
And then refuses to answer what that is made up of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:18:25
Stadium manager has left already


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:18:29
Scott will see it all lads, once he sees the books and the Trust stop sitting on their hands

 :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:18:57
Well it would be fair to say that if the Trust softened their Comms to avoid burning bridges, they needn't have bothered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:21:26
Well it would be fair to say that if the Trust softened their Comms to avoid burning bridges, they needn't have bothered.
The Trust's statement definitely reads like statements clipped and sewn together many different times


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:22:09
not very impressed at all. got to go out now so will watch properly later


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:23:32
Season ticket holders get too many ‘free’ games now…. Wow!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:24:13
He’s going to go full Wealdstone Raider in a minute


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:24:34
You'll be glad to hear that the CEO doesn't know what the playing budget is. Not that he won't say, but that he'd have to ask Jamie Russell.

This guy makes Sandro look smooth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:27:07
Season ticket holders get too many ‘free’ games now…. Wow!

What a stupid comment to make. Season ticket holders give you the money you require upfront.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:27:17
Our turnover has risen to £8.2, having previously been £6.4m and £4.3m
Obviously covid affects that but it's quite a spike

I am easily confused


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:29:09
Our turnover has risen to £8.2, having previously been £6.4m and £4.3m
Obviously covid affects that but it's quite a spike
£8.2m was the expenditure, £6.9m was turnover I thought?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:30:45
£8.2m was the expenditure, £6.9m was turnover I thought?
Yup that seems right. I had compared apples to oranges


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:33:32
He just said FFP on League Two is wages being 40-45% of your turnover. That... isn't correct is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:33:58
Its 60% isnt it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:34:35
He said he doesn't know the budget, but then he said he doesn't do anything about players contracts etc he just does the budget.
What is going on


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:35:51
This guy is a disaster, how can he possibly be qualified to be a CEO. Complete joke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:36:06
Feel a bit sorry for Vic. It's hardly like interviewing Peter Ustinov!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:36:17
He said he doesn't know the budget, but then he said he doesn't do anything about players contracts etc he just does the budget.
What is going on
Can’t even lie consistently. Can see why he’s Morfuni’s right hand man


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:36:41
This guy is a disaster, how can he possibly be qualified to be a CEO. Complete joke.
Pretty much just liquidates companies…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:36:59
Part 2 – League One Salary Cost Management Protocol (Scmp) Guidance Notes
SCMP Requirement
All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1.2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1.3).
The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period.


https://www.efl.com/governance/regulations/#heading-subject-to-paragraph-43-the-disposal-of-a-players-registration-must-be-recognised-in-the-clubs-financial-statements-when-all-significant-conditions-for-the-transfer-or-cancellation-to-take-place-have-been-satisfied-ieit-is-effectively-unconditional-and-the-risks-and-rewards-have-been-transferred


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:39:49
I assume this was meant to be a charm offensive but he seems to have forgotten the charm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:39:55
Hang on, he has just said he will find out about what is happening with Karachi.

The same Karachi the club said we had no involvement with.

WTF


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:40:10
"Sustainable is the club to break even, which allows Clem to invest more in buying players"

That is...a...definition


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:40:33
Michael Doughty resigned


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:41:34
Hang on, he has just said he will find out about what is happening with Karachi.

The same Karachi the club said we had no involvement with.

WTF
It was an error. Clem's only human


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:43:43
The more you hear, the more you realise that the Board has zero interest in running a successful football club on or off the pitch. Really horrible bunch of people we’ve had these past ten years in particular.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:47:05
Where can I watch this back? What’s this about Doughty resigning?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:48:08
Where can I watch this back? What’s this about Doughty resigning?
https://www.youtube.com/live/NTNlotJAV1o?si=5xwhBQkloDWSo7G4

He's busy with his company. Nothing more than that really


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:48:13
Have we turned Doughty into the Callum Rice of greenwashing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:48:58
Hall: Clem has apologised for "Sharegate", he came on podcasts and was open and truthful...and we need to just accept he's apologised, he answered all the questions. Let's just move on...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:49:40
Antony Hall picking on people getting in on under age tickets, is fucking awful. I'm sure it happens, but if he thinks that's going to improve income so the club is sustainable then he is a complete fuckwit.

Such a horrible thing to bring up and highlight as a big problem for the club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:52:40
Antony Hall picking on people getting in on under age tickets, is fucking awful. I'm sure it happens, but if he thinks that's going to improve income so the club is sustainable then he is a complete fuckwit.

Such a horrible thing to bring up and highlight as a big problem for the club.
I think he's focussing on people who aren't meant to be using yoot tickets rather than the amount of yoot tickets. How many people that is and how much it'll cost to police vs the benefit is going to be interesting


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:54:04
Antony Hall picking on people getting in on under age tickets, is fucking awful. I'm sure it happens, but if he thinks that's going to improve income so the club is sustainable then he is a complete fuckwit.

Such a horrible thing to bring up and highlight as a big problem for the club.


Everybody paying the correct price to get in would hardly damage revenue would it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:55:16
Cost £8.2m to run the club last season  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Well, I thought the wages were around £1.9m? So £6.3m for???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:55:48
I think he's focussing on people who aren't meant to be using yoot tickets rather than the amount of yoot tickets. How many people that is and how much it'll cost to police vs the benefit is going to be interesting

Yeah i understand what he means. But its a stupid thing to say honestly, i don't buy it in the slightest. I'm sure it happens (it shouldn't), but its not going to solve the problems. Its like the government worrying about benefits fraud when way more is lost to tax avoidance, but its easy to point fingers at certain people.

If this is the blokes plan to balance the books then he is a complete cretin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:56:02
Well, I thought the wages were around £1.9m? So £6.3m for???
I'm not sure Anthony Hall knows....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:57:05
Yeah i understand what he means. But its a stupid thing to say honestly, i don't buy it in the slightest. I'm sure it happens (it shouldn't), but its not going to solve the problems. Its like the government worrying about benefits fraud when way more is lost to tax avoidance, but its easy to point fingers at certain people.

If this is the blokes plan to balance the books then he is a complete cretin.
Oh I agree, I think it's pretty shite indication we're trying to scape together an extra £500-1000 a match (at a guess)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:57:58
Yeah i understand what he means. But its a stupid thing to say honestly, i don't buy it in the slightest. I'm sure it happens (it shouldn't), but its not going to solve the problems. Its like the government worrying about benefits fraud when way more is lost to tax avoidance, but its easy to point fingers at certain people.

If this is the blokes plan to balance the books then he is a complete cretin.
I don't think he believes that it will balance the books but it wouldn't hurt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 4, 2023, 19:58:25
Wake me up when Clem and his merry men leave please. What a sad state of affairs.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:02:46
Absolute car crash of an interview.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:03:46
I don't feel any more informed after that session:
- There are more questions for me around our expenditure
- The trust access to the books
- I don't feel particularly like Anthony has his finger on the pulse of the club, if he's doing the budgets but doesn't know what the current number is

I think it's probably best if Anthony Hall communicates with the media in writing in the future. He did himself no favours tonight


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:05:47
All I can say to that is car crash.

He was fucking seething at the start wasn’t he? Realised pretty quick how he was coming across and all of sudden started smiling on the occasion. Another successful public appearance from the STFC regime.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:08:37
Missed that start.

The bloke is CEO in name only, he aint got a clue... someone else must be calling the shots day-to-day?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:10:14
Not read back but he seemed to suggest season ticket holders are getting 9 free games - which he wants to in his words ‘stamp down on’ does that mean season ticket prices are going up. I also resent the language - I’ve paid good money for a season ticket and it wasn’t free! Match day prices are unaffordable for anyone who wants to go regularly. I’ve worked in construction and been in meetings with people like him - he’s not a football CEO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:12:15
Just what are the supposed duties of a CEO?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:13:19
All I can say to that is car crash.

He was fucking seething at the start wasn’t he? Realised pretty quick how he was coming across and all of sudden started smiling on the occasion. Another successful public appearance from the STFC regime.

Aggression is their way. Basic, unprofessional wannabes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:14:10
Also surely one of the most important things he could do is facilitate the trust seeing the books - but he hasn’t. He’s delegated it to Annabelle de Costa or whatever her name is , who has been liaising with the trust via email. FFS


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:20:08
I’m not sure Anthony has an stfc email address - the one from his old role no longer works - I just get a bounce back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:23:19
Sounds like it was a total shocker of an interview. Sadly I feel more deflated now about the ownership than ever before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:25:41
No wonder so many potential signings fizzled out in the summer. Saw the amateurs running the place and legged it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:27:37
No wonder so many potential signings fizzled out in the summer. Saw the amateurs running the place and legged it.

I think some of that could be true, the amount of time it takes for the club to do anything amazes me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:43:35
Sounds like this interview is worthy of one of the LSPOD special podcasts - the type they seem to do every time another pile of skeletons falls out of the closet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:47:45
Not read back but he seemed to suggest season ticket holders are getting 9 free games - which he wants to in his words ‘stamp down on’ does that mean season ticket prices are going up. I also resent the language - I’ve paid good money for a season ticket and it wasn’t free! Match day prices are unaffordable for anyone who wants to go regularly. I’ve worked in construction and been in meetings with people like him - he’s not a football CEO.

Wasnt long ago they guilt tripped everyone into people foregoing covid refunds


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:48:01
The club do seem to have the reverse Midas touch. The only hope is that the present shambles is a prelude to a club sale.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, December 4, 2023, 20:56:20
Not a penny more to these cunts is the only way.

Thankfully people are starting to wake up. The rats need starving this summer.

Cheeky cunt with the ST line


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:02:20
I can’t do it, though. I want to go to games - I, mainly, enjoy it. Just because we’ve had a succession of chancers and downright fuckwits running the show pisses me off but doesn’t diminish my support.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:09:11
1.9 million playing budget, where is the other 6.3 million going. Plus no rent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:11:30
Ah, the age old lament of football fans.

‘Where’s the money gone?’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:22:44
Missed that start.

The bloke is CEO in name only, he aint got a clue... someone else must be calling the shots day-to-day?

Standing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:24:09
Good old Last Man


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:26:03
The club do seem to have the reverse Midas touch. The only hope is that the present shambles is a prelude to a club sale.

The soon as these Chancers fuck off the better.
Slowly getting found out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:26:50
Anthony Hall sounds as if he needs a bit of media training. He was very defensive and not particularly warm. He didn't really give anything away, but at the same time, he didn't sound as if he had the 'gravitas' or 'charm' of a CEO. He sounded like a former electrician who has been involved in project management, which is what he is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:29:46
A comical watch. An out of his depth CEO - but with the lack of investment across all areas of the club, I’m not sure why I expected anything else..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:38:49
The soon as these Chancers fuck off the better.
Slowly getting found out.
Would Standing be a genuine possibility of a new owner? If yes, is he just another in the long line of chancers?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:46:18
Just caught up on this. You can see how any competent agents would sus the club out as a shambles at the moment and advise their players elsewhere


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 4, 2023, 21:57:05
The other thing that got me, they’re mentioning Clem coming over just before Christmas to then sit down and talk with Flynn and Russell about what they need and how we do it. Are we really leaving those conversations until days before the window opens? Should we not have been having January window recruitment conversations and had a plan in place for a decent amount of time now like well structured clubs?

Instead it sounds like we’re going to sleep walk our way through that window.

Don’t get me started on the season ticket comments.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:01:55
As far as i am aware we still have a first team recruitment manager in Les Caffrey.

Why Morfuni is taking the lead on it is beyond me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:11:46
Club status confirmed : Clusterfuck


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:19:44
I think he's focussing on people who aren't meant to be using yoot tickets rather than the amount of yoot tickets. How many people that is and how much it'll cost to police vs the benefit is going to be interesting

They won't police it. They'll use it as an excuse to scrap u21 tickets and whatever else is being abused.

They have already eliminated or squeezed family tickets massively compared to the power regime.

If we are losing 1.2m a year then yeah, where the fuck is the money going? Power didn't loose that much


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:20:35
Yeah, you fucking freeloading Season Ticket holders, you're holding us back!  I mean, aside from not asking for refunds for the season you didn't get to see any games, apart from that, you are Leaches!

I got about 25 mins in before stopping - he's just a dick.  If he has any input into the day to day running of the business we are truly fucked.

They've gone after trying to place blame on concession tickets before.  I imagine the "free" tickets he is talking about are the ones they give to schools.  Fucking sponging school kids.

What is Gerald Ratner up to these days, he'd do a better job than this chap.

I liked the Carlisle accounts question, obviously, but his answer gives us everything - he basically knows jack shit, less than your average fan on the street can muster with a few minutes and google at their hands.  I'd love to get sight of the detailed accounts - 8m+ in expenditure would be an amazing achievement, beyond anything we have ever spent as a club in a season.  The biscuits in the boardroom must be gold coated because there is fuck all evidence anywhere else of that kind of spend.  And don't forget that is just the trading costs, it doesn't include anything spent on capital investments (which I presume are actually zero anyway), which wouldn't hit the P&L.

God help us all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:22:57
I mean, seriously, I am free come January and I am not being at all egotistical in stating publicly that I reckon I could do a better job.  I can certainly provide a level of detail on an 8m Opex budget far in advance of what he seems able to achieve rather than just throwing out some Ledger names and trying to say it's all very complicated.  It's a fucking small business!  I'll even do it for less than I was earning.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:24:05
Yeah, you fucking freeloading Season Ticket holders, you're holding us back!  I mean, aside from not asking for refunds for the season you didn't get to see any games, apart from that, you are Leaches!

I got about 25 mins in before stopping - he's just a dick.  If he has any input into the day to day running of the business we are truly fucked.

They've gone after trying to place blame on concession tickets before.  I imagine the "free" tickets he is talking about are the ones they give to schools.  Fucking sponging school kids.

What is Gerald Ratner up to these days, he'd do a better job than this chap.

I liked the Carlisle accounts question, obviously, but his answer gives us everything - he basically knows jack shit, less than your average fan on the street can muster with a few minutes and google at their hands.  I'd love to get sight of the detailed accounts - 8m+ in expenditure would be an amazing achievement, beyond anything we have ever spent as a club in a season.  The biscuits in the boardroom must be gold coated because there is fuck all evidence anywhere else of that kind of spend.  And don't forget that is just the trading costs, it doesn't include anything spent on capital investments (which I presume are actually zero anyway), which wouldn't hit the P&L.

God help us all.

I know someone who’s dad lost his job during covid and rung the club numerous times asking for his ST refund. Club said someone would get back to him.

They never did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:35:48
Would Standing be a genuine possibility of a new owner? If yes, is he just another in the long line of chancers?

Hope not and until the legacy of all these connected Chancers are out of sight then we may start to believe we have a football club again.
Honestly sick of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:36:25
I was told on good authority that last year the playing budget was £2.3m, this year it is £1.6m.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:41:49
Clem will not be getting more money out of me  :smugfu:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:51:14
I honestly cannot believe that I just saw someone on FB defending that interview.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:54:32
I suspect the £8m expenditure includes repaying the £3m debenture in the way they lump all spending into a single figure.

Talk about sucking the momentum, after an uptick in form, out of everyone and getting the fans riled up again.

Surely you come out and say very little, some nice things about support is important and try and keep the fans onside?. Bizarre.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:54:48
Just remembered the league one within 3 years bit. Christ


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:56:48
The £8.2m costs figure seems quite high, just had a look at Salford (last year spent £6.6m), Carlisle (last year spent £4.6m) and would be a c30% increase on the previous year, when we spent £6.4m


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 4, 2023, 22:57:43
I suspect the £8m expenditure includes repaying the £3m debenture in the way they lump all spending into a single figure.

Talk about sucking the momentum, after an uptick in form, out of everyone and getting the fans riled up again.

Surely you come out and say very little, some nice things about support is important and try and keep the fans onside?. Bizarre.

It shouldn't include that, as that was a loan to the club, which wouldn't be on the P&L


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Arch Stanton on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:01:58
Just managed to watch it back. What a shit-show, this is worse than the Power era, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:03:57
It shouldn't include that, as that was a loan to the club, which wouldn't be on the P&L

Indeed, but we actually know fuck all about the specifics of the money involved, in terms of how it was funded, channeled and terms of the agreements in place.  It was pretty clear that Hall knew fuck all about the details as he tried to stick to the "getting his shares back soon" line, forgetting that Clem had changed his response more recently to "not a priority to pay off the loan for the shares right now" when trying to explain how we would have a transfer budget as well as pay back loans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:10:24
Indeed, but we actually know fuck all about the specifics of the money involved, in terms of how it was funded, channeled and terms of the agreements in place.  It was pretty clear that Hall knew fuck all about the details as he tried to stick to the "getting his shares back soon" line, forgetting that Clem had changed his response more recently to "not a priority to pay off the loan for the shares right now" when trying to explain how we would have a transfer budget as well as pay back loans.

To be balanced, very few clubs at our level actually provide that level of detail and most share less than what STFC has done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:14:18
To be balanced, very few clubs at our level actually provide that level of detail and most share less than what STFC has done.

And if those other clubs proclaim to be starting a new chapter in the clubs history where the fans have their club back and that it will be run with openness and transparency and produce as little, I hope their fans/customers are just as irritated.

Meanwhile, there are also plenty of examples of clubs providing far more detail - our stated aim was to top the league on that front, so either that's just bollocks then (again) or these next accounts will blow our socks off.  Given Hall has fuck all clue about what other teams do, I doubt it.

They made the rod, their backs need to take it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:16:26
We also cannot discount the probability that the loans may never have found their way into our accounts - Clem has a habit of not being aware of such legal requirements, or regulatory ones, like letting the EFL know for example.  I know it's not exactly the same, but it's the sort of shit Power would get up to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:33:14
And if those other clubs proclaim to be starting a new chapter in the clubs history where the fans have their club back and that it will be run with openness and transparency and produce as little, I hope their fans/customers are just as irritated.

Meanwhile, there are also plenty of examples of clubs providing far more detail - our stated aim was to top the league on that front, so either that's just bollocks then (again) or these next accounts will blow our socks off.  Given Hall has fuck all clue about what other teams do, I doubt it.

They made the rod, their backs need to take it.

Not many examples at our level of clubs providing more detail, so we are pretty high up on that list.  Could we get more, yes and I think all fans should get more.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, December 4, 2023, 23:48:48
Just managed to watch it back. What a shit-show, this is worse than the Power era, right?

Two peas, one pod.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 00:42:18
Well I feel less guilty about fleecing the club for £50 last week!!


Time to burn it down to the ground & start again, again



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 01:25:55
Not many examples at our level of clubs providing more detail, so we are pretty high up on that list.  Could we get more, yes and I think all fans should get more.



I can go digging, I probably will,  but this suggests we are a long way short of most clubs, scratching around in mid table in our League:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6047aabc7130e94a70ed3515/t/64e72936481ec6040f954a96/1692871010826/FG+-+240823+-+V1.10+-+LOW+RES.pdf

You may say it's just a sort of mix of survey and analysis, but then the club must also dismiss it.....

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/june/robins-announce-partnership-with-fair-game/

Now, I don't want to be accused of being a cynic here, but I wonder if the aim about pressing the PL to distribute more money down the divisions may be the sole reason our club joined up?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 01:38:02
So, digging started.  Carlisle and Exeter are previous examples I have noted as being very comprehensive.  I present to you Tranmere Rovers, a club that is fairly similar in size to ours, if not a tad smaller I'd have thought:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00118587/filing-history/MzM3NDg4MDY0OGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 07:01:24
Hall mentioned something along the lines of ‘simplifying ticket categories’ which to me reads as ‘pushing more fans into the highest priced Adult category’.

A sizeable increase in ST prices sounds likely, and no doubt the already obscene £27 walk up will be reviewed. He didn’t sound impressed by the Nationwide deal either!

Interesting times ahead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 07:18:39
Genuine question- is it possible to get the Covid refund still?


Would rather take it out of the club and give to a charity than fund these pricks.


Anthony Hall needn't worry about this season ticket holder getting free games next season!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 07:29:34
It reads as though they will do all in their power to significantly reduce the numbers of the one strength the club has: the supporters. This was anti PR.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 07:33:18
No more money from me. Season ticket won’t be renewed. Pre match beers in pub instead of Legends Lounge and will eat elsewhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 08:01:57
So, digging started.  Carlisle and Exeter are previous examples I have noted as being very comprehensive.  I present to you Tranmere Rovers, a club that is fairly similar in size to ours, if not a tad smaller I'd have thought:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00118587/filing-history/MzM3NDg4MDY0OGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0


Whats your point here? This is pretty much the same as STFC?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 08:26:51
Absolutely awful interview.

Deplorable to suggest that season ticket holder are getting 9 free games, we're paying less per game, but we're buying the tickets in advance of knowing the squad, regardless of form and regardless of whether we'll actually be able to attend every fixture.

Only looking at adult prices, you'd only get 8.55 "free' games if you're an early bird side stand ST holder, if you're a standard TE season ticket holder you only get 6.26 games "free". For me who is in the TE and doesn't end up attending most Tuesday night games, it just about breaks even assuming I don't miss a single Saturday due to illness, family commitments or holidays. Absolutely fuck all chance of renewing if they up the price by a substantial amount to decrease the "free" games, found it hard enough to persuade myself to get a season ticket this year, and things have only got worse since then! Also considering the new EFL TV deal, it's more likely fans will miss more games next season as they're moved around for the increased TV coverage.

Under Clem, the club has just becoming a milking machine, trying to suck as much value out of every fan, from the waiving of ST refunds to the man city ticket prices, from the cutting of family options to the upping of ticket costs, if the club is offered the chance to take money out of fans pockets they'll certainly take it. And what are we seeing from this? A competitive budget that can't even fund a full squad, 1 million in losses per season and the club requiring volunteers to function. Without even taking into account all the red flags that have been mentioned on this thread countless times, it's absolutely no fucking wonder that people are becoming more and more disenfranchised with it all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 08:39:27
Whats your point here? This is pretty much the same as STFC?
I don't want to speak for Rob but I'd guess it'll be along the lines of:
STFC 16 pages - no breakdowns
TRFC - 40 pages - inc. breakdowns

The two sets of accounts really diverge in pages 28 to 40 where the breakdowns are set out

STFC's latest is here
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history/MzM3MTAyMTE0M2FkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 08:52:37
@ STFC_Manc how do you feel the interview went? All good?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 08:58:59
The distain in which the new CEO has shown towards season ticket holders has really p!ssed me off....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:01:02
Worrying that according to our CEO budgets for January are going to be discussed after20th December when Clem is back. A bit late in the day surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:06:41
Worrying that according to our CEO budgets for January are going to be discussed after20th December when Clem is back. A bit late in the day surely?

Said the same, it’s shockingly late. Forward thinking clubs have had these conversations at the minimum weeks ago if not further


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:06:50
Worrying that according to our CEO budgets for January are going to be discussed after20th December when Clem is back. A bit late in the day surely?
Conversely he's also the guy sorting the budget, just doesn't know the numbers.
Either terribly prepared or they're winging it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:11:03
Did Lee Power not warn fans about this and said Clem wasn't who he was making out to be?

Hmph.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:11:22
Worrying that according to our CEO budgets for January are going to be discussed after20th December when Clem is back. A bit late in the day surely?

Should have been planning who they were going to sign since September 1st. Also not rocket science the type of player we need - centre back, holding mid and a striker


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:16:27
Did Lee Power not warn fans about this and said Clem wasn't who he was making out to be?

Hmph.

He also said he didn’t have the money to run a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:19:57
Did Lee Power not warn fans about this and said Clem wasn't who he was making out to be?

Hmph.

A stopped cock is right twice a day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:22:03
They totally don't have a long term view/plan for the club, it's all day-to-day stuff and moving from one crisis to the next. 

Not knowing the budgets, planning the transfer window days before it opens. Not employing the right staff at the club.

I can see the wheels falling off more than they have already when it comes to renew season tickets  - assuming the club hasn't been sold by then


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:22:52
Going after your number one consistent income stream (season ticket holders) just weeks after they’ve paid extra on top of their season tickets to watch us go 7-0 down to Aldershot and then hint that you’re going to hike the already too much for league two ticket prices is a remarkable tactic for a business that so regularly begs to bleed its supporters wallets dry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:24:54
It's all gone a bit shitty for us again hasn't it? We must be up there with the longest suffering fans in football. The potential here is great, really surprised that hasn't been picked up yet. Blind loyalty isn't the answer to running a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:26:43
They totally don't have a long term view/plan for the club, it's all day-to-day stuff and moving from one crisis to the next. 

Not knowing the budgets, planning the transfer window days before it opens. Not employing the right staff at the club.

I can see the wheels falling off more than they have already when it comes to renew season tickets  - assuming the club hasn't been sold by then

I'm looking forward to the new season ticket ad campaign  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:27:19
Looking forward to the "No CLEMency" campaign to get rid of this shower.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:34:21
The talking about season tickets worries me that we're not being sold, after all why would you say something that is so likely to cause uproar about them if you're not going to be around for much longer?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:37:06
Worrying that according to our CEO budgets for January are going to be discussed after20th December when Clem is back. A bit late in the day surely?

I know that Wrexham is a bit of a special case with it being bankrolled, but I'm pretty sure in season 1 of their show the discussions for the January window started in October. To start planning late December seems absolutely mad


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:42:59
Is there a link to the interview?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:44:36
Is there a link to the interview?

https://www.youtube.com/live/NTNlotJAV1o?si=xoYFeF7Mm09xa5eO


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:50:04
https://www.youtube.com/live/NTNlotJAV1o?si=xoYFeF7Mm09xa5eO

Ta


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:50:22
Where he is right in that it is impossible to police the correct tickets are being by bought by the correct people. If you buy your ticket on line there’s nothing to stop you clicking on the over 65 concession and paying £22 instead of £27. Nobody can check your age at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:50:32
I’d be amazed (well I actually I wouldn’t) if the January window discussions only started in December. I assume that some thought has been put into it but the finer details still need to be ironed out because we don’t know exactly who will and won’t be there come January.

Also, imagine thinking season ticket holders are getting ‘free games’ for fuck sake. They aren’t, they are getting a discounted price per game for committing to 23 home games up front. Do they think anyone would buy a season ticket of the cost was pay on the day prices x 23. No fucking chance and would those people then still go paying pay on the day prices every week. Hell no.

It’s not like selling something (anything) for a discounted price with a longer term commitment / higher quantity is a purely football specific thing. It happens in any sort of business. Every business man should know that (even the shite ones)

Like, the club couldn’t have come out of this any worse could they?

Next season it’ll be blanket prices all over £30 per ticket - no matter what age or what stand or you can buy a season ticket for £690 but that includes 2% off in the club shop when you purchase £50+ worth of merchandise on a Wednesday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:53:48
Like, the club couldn’t have come out of this any worse could they?

It's only Tuesday morning, give them time...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:54:34
Where he is right in that it is impossible to police the correct tickets are being by bought by the correct people. If you buy your ticket on line there’s nothing to stop you clicking on the over 65 concession and paying £22 instead of £27. Nobody can check your age at all.

Pretty fecking easy to check at the turnstiles. I had mine checked before entering for the Mansfield game

“Hi, can you prove you’re the right age for that ticket? No? Ok, you can’t come in”

It’s not hard


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:55:02
Can someone explain why the club couldn't just publish the accounts, or a version of them, if they are, in theory, prepared for the Trust to do that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:55:21
Where he is right in that it is impossible to police the correct tickets are being by bought by the correct people. If you buy your ticket on line there’s nothing to stop you clicking on the over 65 concession and paying £22 instead of £27. Nobody can check your age at all.

No idea if it's just me, but the guys at the Town End security always ask to check my ticket before I go in to make sure I've got the right ticket (prior to even reaching the gate). No idea if they just think I'm an untrustworthy looking bloke or just bad luck  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 09:59:25
Pretty fecking easy to check at the turnstiles. I had mine checked before entering for the Mansfield game

“Hi, can you prove you’re the right age for that ticket? No? Ok, you can’t come in”

It’s not hard
I sit in the DRS nobody asks to see your ticket at all. You get to the turnstile scan your ticket, whether paper or digital, and go in. The person operating the turnstile has no way of knowing what sort of ticket you have just that the bar code lets you in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:01:56
I sit in the DRS nobody asks to see your ticket at all. You get to the turnstile scan your ticket, whether paper or digital, and go in. The person operating the turnstile has no way of knowing what sort of ticket you have just that the bar code lets you in.

Doesn't it light up a different colour for concessions or am I imagining that's how it works? I haven't been a concession for a decade so could easily be wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:04:28
No idea. Can’t really expect a young lad operating the turnstile to try and guess the age of everybody who goes in.

‘Sorry sir, you only look 63 not 65, off you go’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:04:31
Send out Anthony Hall to smooth things with the fans.

Anthony Hall "load my gun"....
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaHltdHFsaGIxYjAzdWx2M2w1cjR5bm5lMmRkYXUwaWM2dDR0bzM3aiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/7SrHwak3yoO9a/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:07:27
Send out Anthony Hall to smooth things with the fans.

Anthony Hall "load my gun"....
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaHltdHFsaGIxYjAzdWx2M2w1cjR5bm5lMmRkYXUwaWM2dDR0bzM3aiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/7SrHwak3yoO9a/giphy.gif)
Surely, knowing you’ll be facing questions from fans rep you’d have a good idea what the questions are likely to be and prep accordingly. I asked earlier what the duties of a CEO are supposed to be - would you need some footballing knowledge?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:11:08
No idea. Can’t really expect a young lad operating the turnstile to try and guess the age of everybody who goes in.

‘Sorry sir, you only look 63 not 65, off you go’.

I mean, that's how alcohol and cigarette sales enforcement works in every retail shop in the land, no?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:11:25
Everyone including Ex CEO Rob Angus, Michael Flynn and others claim Morfuni is consistently in contact them discussing everything from players, performances and opportunities including day to day issues etc.

In fact Morfuni stated this in one of his many BS interviews.

I fear Swindon have been taken as mugs yet again.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:16:44
I sit in the DRS nobody asks to see your ticket at all. You get to the turnstile scan your ticket, whether paper or digital, and go in. The person operating the turnstile has no way of knowing what sort of ticket you have just that the bar code lets you in.

It literally happened to me in the DRS

My point is they can a) expand that operation or b) invest in turnstile technology to use the functionality properly to validate concessions


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:17:57
In case anyone is wondering, the below is how many "free games" each of us season ticket holders are getting


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:19:29
The club do seem to have the reverse Midas touch. The only hope is that the present shambles is a prelude to a club sale.
Clem is King Fecus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:20:04
It does, to be fair, seem a bit weird that there's quite big disparities in there. 18-21s getting a better deal than everyone else for no obvious reason? But fair play for doing the maths!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:20:08
In case anyone is wondering, the below is how many "free games" each of us season ticket holders are getting

Which is still less free games than Austin & Ranford


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:21:58
I mean, that's how alcohol and cigarette sales enforcement works in every retail shop in the land, no?
Bit more difficult to tell whether someone is 63 or 65 than whether someone is over 16 or 18.

Plus in a shop it’s face to face and you haven’t got hundreds queuing up behind. Hardly a good comparison.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:22:25
Which is still less free games than Austin & Ranford

 Just need to get onto the UK most wanted list and I'll be sorted for a ticket in the directors seat for life


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:26:03
I’m presuming the CEO will stop using his freebies and pay for a ticket every game then, if he is so worried about free tickets?

Will he fuck.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:32:45
Could make a bit of money by charging a certain Zav Austin his ticket for every game?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:33:11
I’m presuming the CEO will stop using his freebies and pay for a ticket every game then, if he is so worried about free tickets?

Will he fuck.
Not just him either, how many "guests of the club" come in along with Hart, Austin etc too.

I fucking despair at the direction of our club currently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:34:31
FWIW from everyone that I speak to about STFC, those not involved with lower league clubs cannot believe that the club charges £27 a ticket, they assume it would be around £15-20


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:35:51
Bit more difficult to tell whether someone is 63 or 65 than whether someone is over 16 or 18.

Plus in a shop it’s face to face and you haven’t got hundreds queuing up behind. Hardly a good comparison.
I agree, there are licencing issues selling products to incorrectly aged people.
Protecting your bottom line for an extra £2 isn't inherently the same thing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:36:20
FWIW from everyone that I speak to about STFC, those not involved with lower league clubs cannot believe that the club charges £27 a ticket, they assume it would be around £15-20
Its a lot of money but a few clubs charge even more than we do and most seem to average £25 which is still too much. 20 is plenty.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:42:18
Surprised they haven't thought about doing a Christmas raffle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:45:33
The person operating the turnstile has no way of knowing what sort of ticket you have just that the bar code lets you in.

The light colour denotes type of ticket doesn't it? Admittedly spotting a dodgy looking person/ticket combo in thousands is a bit of a challenge.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:46:22
Its a lot of money but a few clubs charge even more than we do and most seem to average £25 which is still too much. 20 is plenty.

Its plenty given cost of living, inflation, low wage growth etc.

However the club isn't outside those factors sadly. £25 sound fair to me. The problem driven by premier league tv money is that gate receipts for the clubs at the top is a tiny fraction of income, so they can sell tickets cheaper than lower league clubs can, and it becomes really difficult for lower league clubs to justify ticket prices based on quality of football. Its a real mess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:47:07
Surprised they haven't thought about doing a Christmas raffle.

A meat raffle in the legends ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:50:38
Surprised they haven't thought about doing a Christmas raffle.

Surprised they haven't thought about doing a Pyramid scheme.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:52:12
The club is not going to be sustainable by upping ticket prices, reducing the price benefit of season tickets, catching the 100 people who use a child's ticket instead of an Adult, and/or slashing the player budget to fit the current income.

It would be pretty clear that very few EFL clubs are sustainable, so its quite a pipe dream anyway.

However if they are going to get closer to it, the only way forward is diversifying the clubs revenue streams, and that comes from things like the concert (i hope it works), but mainly the ground development with associated hotel/casino/housing etc. Dicking around with the small fry that Antony Hall lambasted on that interview is not going to make the difference.

Clem/Antony have done nothing so far to show the club is serious about development, probably because they are trying to sell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:53:35
Let's be honest. In what world will the people on the turnstiles give a fuck and check a ticket.Stood there in the pissing rain popping tickets on to bags they don't want any confrontation.

Car crash of a interview wasn't it, i just want someone to come out and say you know what this is a lot harder than we fucking thought and we are struggling here.

All we seem to get is oh everything is alright you are wrong when it clearly isn't  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:56:22
The last car crash interview was by Sando right, then they had to trot out Rob Angus afterwards to smooth it all over.

Nobody there to paper over this car crash is there. I genuinely wonder what Clem thinks about this interview, if he even cares.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:57:23
Interesting to note the recent likes here from a Trust Board member: https://twitter.com/socialPolly/likes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:58:12
FWIW from everyone that I speak to about STFC, those not involved with lower league clubs cannot believe that the club charges £27 a ticket, they assume it would be around £15-20
Crewe also charge £27. My brother in law goes to watch Ipswich which is £32.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 10:59:21
A meat raffle in the legends ;)
Pork sword? Lamb lance? Beef bayonet?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:08:24
Crewe also charge £27.

So Crewe:

£365 for early bird ST, £440 for late ST

£27 x 23 games= £621 walk in.

621 - 365 = 256 . 256/27 = 9.48 FREE GAMES!
621 - 440  = 181. 181 /27 =  6.7 FREE GAMES!
=======
Clearly the answer for us both is to reduce the walk in price. Then you get less FREE GAMES!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:13:53
Not watched the interview but sounds like another in a long line of amateur hours.

The 'free games' line seemingly aimed at long term, loyal supporters when you've got every dodgy Tom, Dick and Al Capone hanging about doing fuck all and getting free hospitality tickets to matches as well as god only knows what else is a very low blow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:15:33
I was surprised that in announcing that the stadium manager left that we were told that Chris van Roon had resigned from the Trust. Not sure that was the CEO of STFC's news to share


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:21:13
We went from having Angus as CEO, Hall as General Manager, and Dover as his junior. To Angus going and the other 2 getting bumped up, to now just having Hall.

Cut backs are extreme, they are doing everything they can to make the books look as good as possible in an attempt to sell the club.

I'm close to having had enough with it all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:43:16
We went from having Angus as CEO, Hall as General Manager, and Dover as his junior. To Angus going and the other 2 getting bumped up, to now just having Hall.

Cut backs are extreme, they are doing everything they can to make the books look as good as possible in an attempt to sell the club.

I'm close to having had enough with it all.

You are not the only one.
Close to attending away games only and seriously thinking about it.
Put it this way if it was season ticket renewal today 3 would not renew here.

Just wish they would all fuck off - had enough of the lies and incompetence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:44:07
You are not the only one.
Close to attending away games only and seriously thinking about it.
Put it this way if it was season ticket renewal today 3 would not renew here.

Just wish they would all fuck off - had enough of the lies and incompetence.


I feel the same and very much doubt that we're in the minority


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:51:26
I feel the same and very much doubt that we're in the minority

Agree Mate and word spreading fast.
Let’s hope a sale is not that far away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:55:01
Is there any actual proof that a sale is in the offing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 11:58:32
Is there any actual proof that a sale is in the offing

Is there any actual proof of anything bar the club is being run shambolicly, over the last 6 months the amount of stuff that has gained legs as 'truth' with very little behind it bar someone saying it on SM and then it getting repeated has rivalled things like vaccine storys.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:18:11
Is there any actual proof that a sale is in the offing

I have heard from a few people close to the club on more than one occasion that something is likely in the near future.
No proof, but it seems like some former employees have been consulted on certain things by others. Which I can only assume is part of the due diligence.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:22:52
I have heard from a few people close to the club on more than one occasion that something is likely in the near future.
No proof, but it seems like some former employees have been consulted on certain things by others. Which I can only assume is part of the due diligence.



I would say i'm not sure there is anything likely.
However there are plenty of people who know that multiple parties have had conversations with the club.
The price Clem wants for him and whoever still has their sticky fingers in the club, would seem to make a sale very difficult in my mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:40:39
Mitton will be leaving Trust towers
https://x.com/mightymyte/status/1732015227858756079?s=20


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:43:15
Anthony Hall's vote of confidence worked fast then.

Shame it's come to this, Steve's always seemed a really good guy, but tough to argue that it wasn't time for the Trust to have new leadership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:45:10
Under Clem, the club has just becoming a milking machine, trying to suck as much value out of every fan, from the waiving of ST refunds to the man city ticket prices, from the cutting of family options to the upping of ticket costs, if the club is offered the chance to take money out of fans pockets they'll certainly take it. And what are we seeing from this? A competitive budget that can't even fund a full squad, 1 million in losses per season and the club requiring volunteers to function. Without even taking into account all the red flags that have been mentioned on this thread countless times, it's absolutely no fucking wonder that people are becoming more and more disenfranchised with it all.

This. And if we somehow turned a big loss into a small loss then yeah, I could see its a bit delicate but at least I see the reason.

We haven't.  At 1.2M we are losing more than Power did.

The other thing that got me, they’re mentioning Clem coming over just before Christmas to then sit down and talk with Flynn and Russell about what they need and how we do it. Are we really leaving those conversations until days before the window opens? Should we not have been having January window recruitment conversations and had a plan in place for a decent amount of time now like well structured clubs?

Instead it sounds like we’re going to sleep walk our way through that window.

Don’t get me started on the season ticket comments.

I’d be amazed (well I actually I wouldn’t) if the January window discussions only started in December. I assume that some thought has been put into it but the finer details still need to be ironed out because we don’t know exactly who will and won’t be there come January.

I do need to watch back, but I got the impression the CEO isn't that on the ball with the footballing side. I agree with DV that someone must have a plan. But who...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:50:06
We haven't.  At 1.2M we are losing more than Power did.
That's because power signed us up to all these terrible deals that still haunt the club's finances


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:53:49
Mitton will be leaving Trust towers
https://x.com/mightymyte/status/1732015227858756079?s=20
I’m sure the club will be campaigning for James Spencer to become chair….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:54:18
Mitton will be leaving Trust towers
https://x.com/mightymyte/status/1732015227858756079?s=20

Hardy surprising is it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:56:42
That's because power signed us up to all these terrible deals that still haunt the club's finances

Oddly, even that excuse doesn't add up.  McCrory and team signed the deal with the catering company before Power usurped them, and it's that one they are most annoyed by because it's now owned by a bigger company who know their shit and are chasing the debt owed by ripping up the contract when Clem took over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 12:58:01
On the accounts question for Manc, it was as described by another poster - the detail in the Tranmere ones is far greater than ours.  Hall seemed entirely OK with what we produce as being open and honest, which is what Companies House require as the minimum for our filing status + the basic P&L I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:02:21
I’m sure the club will be campaigning for James Spencer to become chair….

Well James put out yesterday’s statement


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:04:33
Quote from: bennett
That's because power signed us up to all these terrible deals that still haunt the club's finances

oh yeah. sorry.

obviously must have done it just before he left


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:05:44
Quote from: Bob1978
Well James put out yesterday’s statement

oh lordy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:27:06
I’m sure the club will be campaigning for James Spencer to become chair….

Chocolate stove


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:42:07
oh lordy

He’ll run for chair wont he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:45:06
Our crowds have dipped by around 10% on last year. I can see them dribbling down to the 6k mark of our recent lows if things don't improve/change. Won't have to worry so much about ST holders then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 13:47:47
Yeah, you fucking freeloading Season Ticket holders, you're holding us back!  I mean, aside from not asking for refunds for the season you didn't get to see any games, apart from that, you are Leaches!

I got about 25 mins in before stopping - he's just a dick.  If he has any input into the day to day running of the business we are truly fucked.

They've gone after trying to place blame on concession tickets before.  I imagine the "free" tickets he is talking about are the ones they give to schools.  Fucking sponging school kids.

What is Gerald Ratner up to these days, he'd do a better job than this chap.

I liked the Carlisle accounts question, obviously, but his answer gives us everything - he basically knows jack shit, less than your average fan on the street can muster with a few minutes and google at their hands.  I'd love to get sight of the detailed accounts - 8m+ in expenditure would be an amazing achievement, beyond anything we have ever spent as a club in a season.  The biscuits in the boardroom must be gold coated because there is fuck all evidence anywhere else of that kind of spend.  And don't forget that is just the trading costs, it doesn't include anything spent on capital investments (which I presume are actually zero anyway), which wouldn't hit the P&L.

God help us all.

Thank fuck people are starting to wake up to the fact that things are in a different universe to adding up.

Some will still devils advocate the conversation to death though. Or like Steff the troll tell you that you need to come up with ideas of new revenue streams if you criticise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:11:21
Looking back, the moment they asked for people to give up their right to a refund on their season tickets is the moment it should have gone to shit.  Clem had made noises about being able to afford to match a 7m bid from Able, which we now know was likely bullshit.  To then get the club for 215k and ask for fans to give up refunds should have had big alarm bells ringing about intent.  In return, every fan should have demanded shares in the business - if the business wants to present the request as some sort of membership test, then let everyone be members.

In fact, if the Trust wants to do something worthy of plaudits, do that now.  It's clear the goalposts moved, so demand that every fan who gave up a refund gets a small shareholding in the business if they want it.  In total, the fans would likely get close to a 10% holding and in return should also demand a place on the Board.

While my post is filled with nastiness, the Trust can present that as an opportunity for Clem to truly reward what the fans did at that time and get back some PR gains on openness and transparency.  As a Board member, the AB can be done away with, and instead, a fans rep would have access to the management accounts as a requirement of their role on the board.  They would be bound by standard confidentiality, but can press for greater details of financial information being shared from within.

Not going to be offered by Clem, but that shouldn't stop the Trust pushing for it and further putting on display the fact the ownership has no intention of playing by the rules they set themselves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:17:51
Oddly, even that excuse doesn't add up.  McCrory and team signed the deal with the catering company before Power usurped them, and it's that one they are most annoyed by because it's now owned by a bigger company who know their shit and are chasing the debt owed by ripping up the contract when Clem took over.
I'm sorry, I omitted the sarky emoji at the end of my post x


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:19:31
Oh, and assuming the club would say no, then fans should feel free to withdraw their decision not to demand a refund for services/products not provided following payment made on the basis that such a request was demanded under duress.   Pretty certain a good solicitor could argue that case, but as the amounts are small they wouldn't even need to.  Everyone could just go to the small claims court.  A better legal mind than mine can weigh in on likely success, but I'd wager the club would have a hard time defending their actions in a legal sense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:21:17
If it is not clear, that "interview" has really pissed me off, and I'm not even directly impacted!  Any other business would be leaking it's customers at a rate of knots today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:32:21
The one good thing to come from this is that the scales have fallen from yet more eyes.

Steve Anderson 2.0



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:35:23
I'm close to having had enough with it all.
You and me both mate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:36:49
There’s nothing left to defend now. Makes what Flynn and the players are doing all the more admirable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:40:49
There’s nothing left to defend now. Makes what Flynn and the players are doing all the more admirable.

Only 17 points from safety now, too…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:43:59
Yeah, it’s not what we wanted or expected, but if as seems likely, the amateurism behind the scenes is affecting things on the pitch then still being a spit from the POs is probably overachieving.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:46:10
Absolutely awful interview.

Deplorable to suggest that season ticket holder are getting 9 free games, we're paying less per game, but we're buying the tickets in advance of knowing the squad, regardless of form and regardless of whether we'll actually be able to attend every fixture.

Only looking at adult prices, you'd only get 8.55 "free' games if you're an early bird side stand ST holder, if you're a standard TE season ticket holder you only get 6.26 games "free". For me who is in the TE and doesn't end up attending most Tuesday night games, it just about breaks even assuming I don't miss a single Saturday due to illness, family commitments or holidays. Absolutely fuck all chance of renewing if they up the price by a substantial amount to decrease the "free" games, found it hard enough to persuade myself to get a season ticket this year, and things have only got worse since then! Also considering the new EFL TV deal, it's more likely fans will miss more games next season as they're moved around for the increased TV coverage.

Under Clem, the club has just becoming a milking machine, trying to suck as much value out of every fan, from the waiving of ST refunds to the man city ticket prices, from the cutting of family options to the upping of ticket costs, if the club is offered the chance to take money out of fans pockets they'll certainly take it. And what are we seeing from this? A competitive budget that can't even fund a full squad, 1 million in losses per season and the club requiring volunteers to function. Without even taking into account all the red flags that have been mentioned on this thread countless times, it's absolutely no fucking wonder that people are becoming more and more disenfranchised with it all.


Anthony Hall must have watched that Prince Andrew Interview for guidance.  Clem and co. have insulted my intelligence, but I will continue supporting Flynn and the players, but not the club in its present form.  No more money going into Town coffers from me until a positive regime change.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:48:53
Only 17 points from safety now, too…
Only if we have no points deductions looming.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:49:12

Anthony Hall must have watched that Prince Andrew Interview for guidance.  Clem and co. have insulted my intelligence, but I will continue supporting Flynn and the players, but not the club in its present form.  No more money going into Town coffers from me until a positive regime change.
This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:52:19
While I understand the people who would go down the not spending any more money route. might I suggest an alternative, in that you place your usual spend away somewhere, so that it can be used as a carrot?  If it gets bad enough, the Trust can even offer to hold money in the existing RAF as an incentive to any potential investor, and said money be used to buy into any deal, should they want the money.

I wonder if one of the issues preventing a quick sale by Clem (he clearly does not have the capital to sustain a league club, so I presume the idea was a quick flip and everyone gets their cut, but they needed Power out of the way?) is the potential for unknown fines hanging over the business - three lots now - Standing being a person with a controlling interest, Clem not telling the EFL when a new shareholder came onboard and the Chelsea loan "laundering".  That is a lot of liabilities that are tough to determine when doing due diligence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:55:53
Present average is 8,849. Last seasons average was 9,064. So not a huge change - yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Arch Stanton on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 14:58:37
Even if the club is sold, I have no confidence that the next lot will be any better. It’ll just be another bunch of shady individuals with pasts to hide and quick bucks to be made.

We need someone with some serious dosh to come in and dish out a few mil here & there to all the squabbling kids that are still scuttling around our boardroom, following it up with a firm, yet mildly threatening “now fuck off”

It isn’t going to happen, we’ll end up with someone much worse. Therefore I for one can’t wait for the reanimated corpse of Pol Pot to be paraded on the pitch, scarf aloft, talking about putting a bar in the Town End and Fan Zones in the car park. At least he might change our home kit to all black.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:01:26
Even if the club is sold, I have no confidence that the next lot will be any better. It’ll just be another bunch of shady individuals with pasts to hide and quick bucks to be made.

We need someone with some serious dosh to come in and dish out a few mil here & there to all the squabbling kids that are still scuttling around our boardroom, following it up with a firm, yet mildly threatening “now fuck off”

It isn’t going to happen, we’ll end up with someone much worse. Therefore I for one can’t wait for the reanimated corpse of Pol Pot to be paraded on the pitch, scarf aloft, talking about putting a bar in the Town End and Fan Zones in the car park. At least he might change our home kit to all black.
This is my worry to be honest. I have said all along i think the initial intentions were the correct ones but people who have been linked for along time are the ones who have the ultimate say at the club

I think that will be the same if sold to a small business owner again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:17:42
This is my worry to be honest. I have said all along i think the initial intentions were the correct ones but people who have been linked for along time are the ones who have the ultimate say at the club

I think that will be the same if sold to a small business owner again
Really valid fear, but think this time the fear should be alleviated a bit because of the money required to purchase the club should leave only serious people interested. I'd like to think at least.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:21:38
This is my worry to be honest. I have said all along i think the initial intentions were the correct ones but people who have been linked for along time are the ones who have the ultimate say at the club

I think that will be the same if sold to a small business owner again
Think that’s everyone’s concern. With all the ‘allegedly’ shady going on’s at the club you wonder whether it would actually be possible to even buy the club currently as too many people may have things to hide and veto any sale unless it’s to a party that suits them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:22:19
We're stuck in an endless circle of the dregs of society in terms of absolute chancers. The problem is, they end up selling to people they know and they're all cut from the same cloth. Absolute wannabes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:23:17
What an absolute shit show and PR disaster that interview was. Clearly unsuited and unqualified to perform the role of a CEO. Displayed a complete lack of charisma or understanding of what fans need. On the whole, we are pretty easily persuaded that things are going OK, as we have a complete emotional attachment to supporting our club. We want the club to do well and succeed, but most of all we want to feel that our support - both from a monetary and on an emotional level - is valued. Last night Mr Hall drove a wagon and horses through that, firstly taking on the Trust and then degrading season ticket holders. Now as a long term season ticket holder and supporter of 50 years, I have never felt so insulted. Apparently even though as a family we cough up for 3 adult season tickets and regularly travel away, plus buying merchandise, we are denying the club much needed funds by getting too many free games as part of our paying up front and committing funds in advance of the season starting.

In addition he claims to not knowing the playing budget, yet his main time in the role has been studying budgets. Also says our losses are on a par with all other league 2 clubs and Wrexham spend 3x what we do. So knows something about budgets then. Which brings me to the question of how are we losing £1.3m a year. If as he states FFP is limited to 45% of turnover ( I thought it was 60%) then on £6.9m t/o  this still leaves £5.1m of costs, which seems very high and could do with some explaining (even at a high level eg other staff costs, utilities, premises etc it would have some use) so we can do some comparing and contrasting with other clubs at our level. To continue to trot out the party line about unprofitable commercial deals is unacceptable, unless again it comes with some detail. It is the absence of such information which causes mistrust and suspicion.

Finally why has it taken so long to produce management accounts. Clem Morfuni s in his 3rd season of ownership, so there is absolutely no excuse for this.
 
Messrs Morfuni and Hall need to start communicating with integrity, emotional intelligence and respect for the fan base otherwise they will see us dwindle at an alarming rate
.
Ps - I would ordinarily say I am a happy clapper!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:27:15
Interesting last comment about needing to pay more for purchasing the club.
This barrier of entry is probably correct especially in light of Black's selling the club for a reported quid and allowed all the fuck wits into owning it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:36:58
@ STFC_Manc how do you feel the interview went? All good?

Why are you calling me out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:39:30
Just listened to another 10 minutes, so 37 in now.  It's fucking hard work, it gets worse.  He either has no idea what he is doing, and is flailing around with angry intent, or is trying to bullshit on the spot, with  angry intent.  Hasn't got around to the playing budget - I mean, it's the single biggest line item in the cost section of the finances, but yeah, I believe you.  Quoting random %'s for FFP rules.  Seriously - we are fucked regardless of whether it's incompetence or intent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:39:37
I don't want to speak for Rob but I'd guess it'll be along the lines of:
STFC 16 pages - no breakdowns
TRFC - 40 pages - inc. breakdowns

The two sets of accounts really diverge in pages 28 to 40 where the breakdowns are set out

STFC's latest is here
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history/MzM3MTAyMTE0M2FkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

It has lots of information but nothing useful?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:39:45

 
Messrs Morfuni and Hall need to start communicating with integrity, emotional intelligence and respect for the fan base otherwise they will see us dwindle at an alarming rate



Precisely, but a change in outlook might be too late.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:42:02
It has lots of information but nothing useful?

I believe it has a breakdown of categories of revenue and separates the costs, so shows the total player and management staff budget for example.  If you seriously think our accounts match up to that, then there isn't much debate to be had.  The question was whether or not other clubs can and do produce more information than we do, it's clear they do.  It's clear it isn't every club - but we don't express to be as bad as everyone, we claim to want to be better.  That's Clem's aim, not mine.  It's evident we do not deliver against his stated aim.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:51:05
I believe it has a breakdown of categories of revenue and separates the costs, so shows the total player and management staff budget for example.  If you seriously think our accounts match up to that, then there isn't much debate to be had.  The question was whether or not other clubs can and do produce more information than we do, it's clear they do.  It's clear it isn't every club - but we don't express to be as bad as everyone, we claim to want to be better.  That's Clem's aim, not mine.  It's evident we do not deliver against his stated aim.

Have you actually looked at them? From my view they are very similar, Carlisle and Exeter are better but many are worse

I'm just challenging your 'facts'



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:52:47
Have you actually looked at them? As they have the same financial level of detail. The number of pages means nothing
 

Yes, I have, 10+ years worth of them.

The detail is different - they both include a P&L (which Clem did add and Power did not produce), but the STFC P&L is very high level.  Tranmere provide a breakdown of source categories of Revenue for example and cost categories.  STFC  simply use Revenue, Cost of Sales and Admin Expenses - broad high level categories used in a P&L with no sub detail.

Am I wrong?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:57:24
By the way, I am not saying we are "bad" for producing what we produce.  I am saying we are not the best in terms of providing insight into the performance of the business and being open and honest with fans, something we were told was our aim.  I seem to remember wanting to be Number 1 in the Fan Engagement survey for example (I could be wrong in the specific one).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 15:59:23
Yes, I have, 10+ years worth of them.

The detail is different - they both include a P&L (which Clem did add and Power did not produce), but the STFC P&L is very high level.  Tranmere provide a breakdown of source categories of Revenue for example and cost categories.  STFC  simply use Revenue, Cost of Sales and Admin Expenses - broad high level categories used in a P&L with no sub detail.

Am I wrong?

It's pretty much the same and isn't any more useful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:00:10
Tbf, they are engaging with fans. Trouble is it’s with contempt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:01:52
It's pretty much the same and isn't any more useful.

If you cannot see the leap that providing sub categories in financial information creates, then there isn't anything further to debate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:03:37
Tbf, they are engaging with fans. Trouble is it’s with contempt.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERXTbvTUcAApH_k?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:04:05
Present average is 8,849. Last seasons average was 9,064. So not a huge change - yet.

Wrexham will skew the data too with the big Boxing Day crowd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:05:44
If you cannot see the leap that providing sub categories in financial information creates, then there isn't anything further to debate.

It's not a massive leap, unlike Carlisle and Exeter is my point. If you can't see that then I give up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:16:33
Wrexham will skew the data too with the big Boxing Day crowd.
That game will probably push the average over 9000.

Why no decent, prospective buyer can’t see the potential here is beyond me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:19:18
It's not a massive leap, unlike Carlisle and Exeter is my point. If you can't see that then I give up.

Adding a P&L provides insight that cannot be gleamed from a Balance Sheet update alone - the latter will show the loss or profit due to the change in the Retained Profit line item, but will not provide any insight into how that occurred.  Usually, the basic P&L will give you a clue as to whether it was a trading loss or due to something extraordinary.  As an example, we could have made a profit but the reality was that the trading position was loss making and the club covered that with a one off windfall from an onward player sale.  I use this example because it has happened to us in the past.  On the flip side, we may have made a trading profit but had to write off a significant bad debt we had been counting in the assets on the BS.  That would not be great for the business, but wouldn't materially impact our financial future if we can trade at a profit.

Now, to add a further layer, being able to identify source categories of financial performance can greatly enhance our understanding of the financial position and future viability of a business, especially if we have more than one year to review.  It's still not detailed enough to make tactical decisions from, but it can provide great insight into how the business is performing.  For example - knowing the variation in Gate/Ticket revenue from year to year will enable a casual observer to do some basic trending analysis, or look at gate numbers and determine any interesting trends there (like revenue per customer).  It's normal for clubs to include ALL ticket revenue when reporting this line item, so season tickets plus matchday, the club realises season ticket revenue across the season, game by game.  That single extra detail can lead to a treasure trove of information that gives us insight into performance.  It enables us to hold people to account - so statements cannot be made that the data available will not support.  It's precisely why a business will often go to the lowest level of requirements enforced in production of accounts and why Power went with the basics.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:20:58
It's not a massive leap, unlike Carlisle and Exeter is my point. If you can't see that then I give up.

Be interesting what Carlisle's next set of accounts look like going back into more private overseas vs. long term fans, local lads done well ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:26:35
Be interesting what Carlisle's next set of accounts look like going back into more private overseas vs. long term fans, local lads done well ownership.

I am intrigued by their new owners, they seem quite normal (for over here) and genuine.  They are well off, but not Billionaires or anything.  Their logic in going for Carlisle seems quite well determined, like they really gave it some proper thought.  But why do it all?  I know there are likely some tax benefits in the USA, but is it really worth it?

Anyway, i imagine they produce the basic from here.  We are middle of the road I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:33:26
Adding a P&L provides insight that cannot be gleamed from a Balance Sheet update alone - the latter will show the loss or profit due to the change in the Retained Profit line item, but will not provide any insight into how that occurred.  Usually, the basic P&L will give you a clue as to whether it was a trading loss or due to something extraordinary.  As an example, we could have made a profit but the reality was that the trading position was loss making and the club covered that with a one off windfall from an onward player sale.  I use this example because it has happened to us in the past.  On the flip side, we may have made a trading profit but had to write off a significant bad debt we had been counting in the assets on the BS.  That would not be great for the business, but wouldn't materially impact our financial future if we can trade at a profit.

Now, to add a further layer, being able to identify source categories of financial performance can greatly enhance our understanding of the financial position and future viability of a business, especially if we have more than one year to review.  It's still not detailed enough to make tactical decisions from, but it can provide great insight into how the business is performing.  For example - knowing the variation in Gate/Ticket revenue from year to year will enable a casual observer to do some basic trending analysis, or look at gate numbers and determine any interesting trends there (like revenue per customer).  It's normal for clubs to include ALL ticket revenue when reporting this line item, so season tickets plus matchday, the club realises season ticket revenue across the season, game by game.  That single extra detail can lead to a treasure trove of information that gives us insight into performance.  It enables us to hold people to account - so statements cannot be made that the data available will not support.  It's precisely why a business will often go to the lowest level of requirements enforced in production of accounts and why Power went with the basics.

What's the point of this post, all I'm saying is that STFC accounts provide more information than most. Tranmere provide a little bit more info but don't help in any meaningful way, I could use Carlisle to enable an analysis of STFC accounts but Tranmere I couldn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:40:05
What's the point of this post, all I'm saying is that STFC accounts provide more information than most. Tranmere provide a little bit more info but don't help in any meaningful way, I could use Carlisle to enable an analysis of STFC accounts but Tranmere I couldn't.

Good lord.

The point was that STFC were making the stated aim of being more open and transparent than other clubs - the goal to be number 1.

The current CEO then responded to a question last night where he seemed more than comfortable with what we produce as being sufficient, when it is indeed more than the minimum, but nowhere near what CAN be done.  Examples were provided and he seemed oblivious to them.

If the club wants to be number 1, then what they produce is clearly insufficient.

So either they a) up their game or b) change their stated aims

I am merely pointing to examples of what more openness looks like.  From a little bit more, to a lot more.  Every little bit more provides people step changes in how they can review the information - maybe Joe Bloggs gets little, but I can review Tranmere's accounts and give you a summary of their performance at a far more detailed level than I can for Swindon.  With Carlisle's, I could probably get close to making some decisions on what to do with the business, so detailed are they.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:40:23
As Rob is saying, there is more to the accounts than just the balance sheet. The balance sheet is where you are at, the p&l lays out the journey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:46:21
Why are you calling me out?

I'm interested in the opinion of an astute business person, you seem to know a lot about business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:47:19
To add to the posts about checking tickets, my u11 son and I get our season tickets checked before each game without fail. Also had to ditch a water bottle they discovered once as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:51:20
Good lord.

The point was that STFC were making the stated aim of being more open and transparent than other clubs - the goal to be number 1.

The current CEO then responded to a question last night where he seemed more than comfortable with what we produce as being sufficient, when it is indeed more than the minimum, but nowhere near what CAN be done.  Examples were provided and he seemed oblivious to them.

If the club wants to be number 1, then what they produce is clearly insufficient.

So either they a) up their game or b) change their stated aims

I am merely pointing to examples of what more openness looks like.  From a little bit more, to a lot more.  Every little bit more provides people step changes in how they can review the information - maybe Joe Bloggs gets little, but I can review Tranmere's accounts and give you a summary of their performance at a far more detailed level than I can for Swindon.  With Carlisle's, I could probably get close to making some decisions on what to do with the business, so detailed are they.

You can't do anything with Tranmere and that's my point. I've said all along they can give more detail. Get off your high horse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:52:54
To add to the posts about checking tickets, my u11 son and I get our season tickets checked before each game without fail. Also had to ditch a water bottle they discovered once as well.
Checked how? Before you reach the turnstile? Which stand do you have STs for? I’ve never had mine, or Mrs Audrey’s, ST checked. Just rock up at the turnstile, scan the ticket and go in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:55:23
Checked how? Before you reach the turnstile? Which stand do you have STs for? I’ve never had mine, or Mrs Audrey’s, ST checked. Just rock up at the turnstile, scan the ticket and go in.

How old are you Aud?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 16:56:46
Be 69 in April. Mrs Audrey is a whippersnapper.

I know what you’re going to say, but I don’t look a day over 67.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:01:44
To add to the posts about checking tickets, my u11 son and I get our season tickets checked before each game without fail. Also had to ditch a water bottle they discovered once as well.

I had mine checked before Mansfield. Not sure they knew what they were looking at but there was a delay.

We probably use the same turnstile, mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:02:36
You'd think it would be pretty easy to clamp down on this. The old Tube ticket gates used to flash up CHILD if you used a child's ticket, or it can beep at a different tone, alerting a steward. I really don't think this is the source of our issues somehow...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:16:00
Like many things with the club, if they paid the money for the proper technology that shows what ticket fans are using, then they could avoid it.
They won’t pay for it though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:17:51
ive had my ticket checked that its an adult one recently.

its the equivalent of Thames Water going after leaky taps, when the pipes are bursting all over the shop and sewage is being pumped into the sea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:25:37
You can't do anything with Tranmere and that's my point. I've said all along they can give more detail. Get off your high horse.
If the club wants to be number 1, then what they produce is clearly insufficient.

So either they a) up their game or b) change their stated aims


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:31:10
You can't do anything with Tranmere and that's my point. I've said all along they can give more detail. Get off your high horse.

Oooh, a challenge, I'll be back in a bit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:35:10
Oooh, a challenge, I'll be back in a bit

What challenge, I'm just pointing out my viewpoint.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:38:23
Be 69 in April. Mrs Audrey is a whippersnapper.

I know what you’re going to say, but I don’t look a day over 67.

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:42:43
I sit in the DRS, had it at multiple entrance points as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:43:51
I sit in the DRS, had it at multiple entrance points as well.

yep the same happened to me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:44:14
I'm interested in the opinion of an astute business person, you seem to know a lot about business.

Thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:45:25
I sit in the DRS, had it at multiple entrance points as well.
Ooo er madam!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:50:55
We are long overdue Monthly Nonsense aren't we...?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 17:57:52
Tbh, after yesterdays clusterfuck I was half expecting some kind of muffled apology.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:02:37
Like many things with the club, if they paid the money for the proper technology that shows what ticket fans are using, then they could avoid it.
They won’t pay for it though.
Hall confirmed this is in place - they just don’t consistently police it.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:03:06
We are long overdue Monthly Nonsense aren't we...?
Hall said the minutes would be published today - although I’d take that with a pinch of salt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:05:05
Hall said the minutes would be published today - although I’d take that with a pinch of salt.
Be pretty impressive if he’s even managed to get that wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:10:51
Be pretty impressive if he’s even managed to get that wrong.

It is 6:10pm. It feels likely at this stage!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:17:19
What challenge, I'm just pointing out my viewpoint.

You said I couldn't use the Tranmere accounts to do anything more than STFC.

Interestingly, their football revenue has grown 58% in the past 4 years against an increase in total attendances of approx 6%, however, their commercial income showed a 47% decline in the same period.  Their football based income grew 50% per paying customer (that, as I understand it is all football related income, so includes prize money as well as gate receipts).

If I were at the club, I'd be looking in the Commercial Revenue to determine what that drop was influenced by.

You would look at the football income and like to extract prize money to see what the real average per spectator was, but it certainly looks like they have improved in increasing the spend per customer.

Over that same period, the wages paid to staff have decreased by 4%.  Against a backdrop of a 32% total income increase, that is good news.  Employee costs account for over half the total expenditure of the business.

The football staff numbers have declined from 57 to 44, and given the largely static nature of the total wage bill for all staff, it seems likely they have achieve their performance by reducing the squad size to account for higher average salaries (which is now 19,4k per employee in the business, up from 9.2k in 2019).  They have also limited the non playing staff, having 378 before Covid and only returning to 144 in the time since.  Given the limited change in total staff costs, those non playing staff can only account for a very small % of the total spend (their numbers fluctuated significantly, but only small changes were seen in total wages).  Looking at the league table, one might be able to hazard a guess that it isn't helping them on the field.

Don't get me wrong, it still leaves loads of questions unanswered, but I cannot do that with STFC's accounts.

Also, as a footnote, if we remove Depreciation charges,  their average loss per year for the last four years is..... -55k per year.

It seem like they revalued their ground in 2020, adding a massive chunk to the Balance Sheet.  The associated depreciation charge is making it look like they lose money, but they seem to trade at a profit.  Ours isn't expressly identified in the P&L, but looking at our Balance sheet, we have a zero depreciation charge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:32:26
£8m+ in expenditure... that woudl be a lot of cocane for matchday guests
let me guess they are snorting it of a recarnated mahirishi


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:49:11
Back on topic, watched the rest, it's just more of the same.  One sentence attempts at responses, usually not good ones.  Those pesky adults getting in as kids - thousands of 'em.  We'd be running at a profit but for that rampant fraud.  How the fuck do they even manage to quantify the issue?  What has happened here is they have seen the mix of people on each ticket type, realised they don't get adult prices on as many fans as a non football fan might expect and determined it must be a scam.  The reality is much more likely that under 18's and over 65's are the primary group of non season ticket holders who show up and pay money on the day.  Do a few try it on, I imagine so, is it going to be the biggest item to correct, fuck no.   The real giveaway was his quiet answer that they were looking to "rationalise" the categories, and we already know what that means because they tried it already.  Just come out and say we will have an Under 12 price and a nearly dead price, everyone else has to cough up full whack.  It'll be a hard pill to swallow, and may result in lower attendances, but at least it's honest.  Anyone over 2 years old gets charged the same price over here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:51:26
Oh, and he didn't get the rules for Karachi Club did he, what's the first rule of Karachi Club Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 18:56:51
Oh, and he didn't get the rules for Karachi Club did he, what's the first rule of Karachi Club Clem?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:01:39
This really was a Prince Andrew Newsnight moment as someone suggested. And Clem has rated this bloke for over a decade.

Staggeringly bad. These clowns make Power look like a slick, competent, benevolent operator.

I starting to believe that “so called” Able wouldn’t have been this bad, even if Power/Curran were involved, but the Trust and their outriders saw that off. Honestly, how could it have been worse?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:07:37
Oh, and he didn't get the rules for Karachi Club did he, what's the first rule of Karachi Club Clem?

soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:10:25
This really was a Prince Andrew Newsnight moment as someone suggested. And Clem has rated this bloke for over a decade.

Staggeringly bad. These clowns make Power look like a slick, competent, benevolent operator.

I starting to believe that “so called” Able wouldn’t have been this bad, even if Power/Curran were involved, but the Trust and their outriders saw that off. Honestly, how could it have been worse?



By this you mean that LP fucked up and gave Clem rights to buy the club before 'able'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:14:47
stfc ceo = if morgana robinson was looking for a new character to play


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:15:33
By this you mean that LP fucked up and gave Clem rights to buy the club before 'able'

I think they knew full well what could happen, which is why they tried to stall on giving Clem the share certificate and registering his interest.  They were trying to dilute their exposure and get a "sale" sorted before Clem and Standing would either realise or have their legal ducks in a row.  Don't forget both other parties sued to block Power from being able to sell.  Standing found out because Power blocked him from the bank account once it became clear Standing was being taken to the cleaners and Clem found out because of that case and even had Power denying it in text messages to him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:19:37
It's always confused me a little why Standing would just walk away from having the same rights as Clem, I presume, if he believed his legal case that he was a 50% shareholder. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 19:47:30
I cant find who said it but it was mentioned that Clem trusted Hall for 10+ years - I'm sure he does and considers him a friend but running a football club and running a plumbing business are 2 different things, Axis UK was not that big (and tbh assume Hall was in charge when it was liquidated) and he never had to talk to the media, the paying public and probably didn't have to worry about budgets.

Oh for the return of Rob Angus


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:05:44
wonder if myton, agnus, bathford and some others are preparing an offer to get rid of macrory and the gang mk2

theres money and knowledge in the fanbase woudl be an intresting move


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:12:08
New AB is out. Nothing of interest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:12:50
Minutes are out, looks like Clem didn’t attend and they doubled down on the ST holders getting too many “free games” line.

Fantastic


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:13:26
Fuck me, who writes these? The grammar is awful!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:14:09
These are shambolic.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-meeting-minutes-november-2023.pdf

Clem Jong Un has gone full late-era Power hasn't he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:15:25
Awfully written ffs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:16:59
"we have to also look at the current season tickets and how many games we are given away free this season, along with other matchday tickets where we are not getting value for our monies"

 :suicide:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:19:27
no update that a trust member will be patiently waitign under clems desk for his arrival this month


everything is wank they can go fcuk themselfs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:21:21
"we have to also look at the current season tickets and how many games we are given away free this season, along with other matchday tickets where we are not getting value for our monies"

 :suicide:

wonder how much contraband each pakitsan visa  aplicant can bring to the uk with them?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:21:45
Surely the whole point of a ST is to give the club money up front mainly during the summer when there is very little other income. How are any of those 23 games ‘free’. None. If there is little to no financial benefit to buying a ST nobody is going to buy one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:23:41
Surely the whole point of a ST is to give the club money up front mainly during the summer when there is very little other income. How are any of those 23 games ‘free’. None. If there is little to no financial benefit to buying a ST nobody is going to buy one.

coke has a habit of making people arrogant ignorant confident selfish and delulu


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:23:59
Sheffield Wednesday season tickets for next season go on sale this week!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:24:05
Surely the whole point of a ST is to give the club money up front mainly during the summer when there is very little other income. How are any of those 23 games ‘free’. None. If there is little to no financial benefit to buying a ST nobody is going to buy one.

What % of current season ticket holders waived their post Covid ticket refund? Must be well north of 50%. The brass neck of these goons is unreal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:24:31
As if any of our supporters or a supporter wrote in asking all those 3 questions relating to tickets and prices etc 😂 Farcical.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:28:42
What % of current season ticket holders waived their post Covid ticket refund? Must be well north of 50%. The brass neck of these goons is unreal.

Someone on twitter posted a pic of the wallboard of refundees on the TE and said the club have probably renamed it ‘wall of the freeloaders’

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:31:41
Someone on twitter posted a pic of the wallboard of refundees on the TE and said the club have probably renamed it ‘wall of the freeloaders’

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I always found it funny that Lee Power was on that wall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:33:53
I always found it funny that Lee Power was on that wall.

Apparently its not that Lee Power. The club said so, remember!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:42:01
Look forward to the next instalment where we’re probably going to get told something like ST’s are being scrapped for a monthly subscription fee based on a flat fee of £80 + £15 for each match that they can increase at will if we’re doing well. Cup matches not included.

The selling point being that it entitles you to one free coffee and online programme a month (50p charge for the coffee cup).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:50:17
Trust STST must be livid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:51:39
Trust STST must be livid.

It is staggering how bad these are.

If a GCSE student produced these they'd be given an F.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:53:53
It is staggering how bad these are.

If a GCSE student produced these they'd be given an F.



An F is being generous

They have been wriiten out in 5 minutes half an hour before going online havent they


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:57:47
Seen LSPOD Rich talking about planted questions on Twitter.

The Anthony Hall podcast question in the minutes looks planted to me. The author's grammar is as bad as the club's and it seems a suspiciously tidy little exchange...

Clem Jong Un and Hall of Shame are two peas in a pod.

"This journey has just begun. Hold on to your hats and enjoy the ride. The good times for our magical club are coming."

Does this journey end in the Wessex League..? Because I'd like to get off now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 20:58:48
An F is being generous

They have been wriiten out in 5 minutes half an hour before going online havent they

Genuine question... did this AB actually happen?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 21:11:46
Does this journey end in the Wessex League..? Because I'd like to get off now.
no it ends woth playing karicha yung bois fc 40 times a season in a round robin league
get your karicha super league season tickets today
includes 5 free games and then will use it againts you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 21:11:57
Genuine question... did this AB actually happen?

No idea but i see the owner didnt attend


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 21:13:16
No idea but i see the owner didnt attend
zoom meeting can be really tough to shcedule
especially ones you dont want to atend


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 21:45:40
Just listened to some of that interview- switched off half way sorry could not sit through that

It was embarrassingly bad how is this guy a CEO?

The comments on ST having too many games was offensive considering most of us waived our monies and we pay out several months up front- the comments alone show just out of touch they are

Oh and the people getting in for concession tickets- yes they shouldn’t do it but can’t believe it would make that much difference to revenue overall.

They’re just looking at people to blame because they are hopelessly out of their depth running a FL club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 21:51:57
https://x.com/camelsaunders/status/1732147014727553374?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tamworth Red Army on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 21:56:44
Crewe have reduced pricing to get 8k gates in the next week or 2 …..

If only our board were so thankful for what we get regularly  :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 22:03:07
Swindon Town FC launch their new ticket deals for the 23/24 season:

For only 650 you can get all 23 games, that's a mere 5% more than buying on the day and guarantees you a seat.  Those paying on the day retain their small discount, knowing they always take the risk there may not be any availability.

Want to spread that over 4 x monthly payment?  No problem, we have financing available at 49% APR to help you budget more effectively.

To make it simple for our simple fans, there is now only one price, the price of the seat.  We don't want to run the risk of legal action based on age discrimination, so this supports our aims of running a fair and equitable football club.  We have used the adult pricing from the 2022/23 season as we have more adults than children buying tickets on credit cards.

Last but not least, all fans buying season tickets need only select ONE of the following free services they are willing to provide the club next season:  a) Electrical work, b) a field upon which the first team can train or c) the provision of a free bicycle rack so we can get that ticked off the AB minutes once and for all.

Matchday tickets remain unchanged for adults, every one else will now be expected to buy the single adult ticket.  However, in a small change, this will now be a bid for a seat and is non-refundable.  In the event you do not win the seat lottery on a matchday you are welcome to try again at the next match.  You will also be required to spend 30 minutes staffing one of our concession stands, previous experience is not required.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 22:08:27
Swindon Town FC launch their new ticket deals for the 23/24 season:

For only 650 you can get all 23 games, that's a mere 5% more than buying on the day and guarantees you a seat.  Those paying on the day retain their small discount, knowing they always take the risk there may not be any availability.

Want to spread that over 4 x monthly payment?  No problem, we have financing available at 49% APR to help you budget more effectively.

To make it simple for our simple fans, there is now only one price, the price of the seat.  We don't want to run the risk of legal action based on age discrimination, so this supports our aims of running a fair and equitable football club.  We have used the adult pricing from the 2022/23 season as we have more adults than children buying tickets on credit cards.

Last but not least, all fans buying season tickets need only select ONE of the following free services they are willing to provide the club next season:  a) Electrical work, b) a field upon which the first team can train or c) the provision of a free bicycle rack so we can get that ticked off the AB minutes once and for all.

Matchday tickets remain unchanged for adults, every one else will now be expected to buy the single adult ticket.  However, in a small change, this will now be a bid for a seat and is non-refundable.  In the event you do not win the seat lottery on a matchday you are welcome to try again at the next match.  You will also be required to spend 30 minutes staffing one of our concession stands, previous experience is not required.

You forgot the role of chief sandwich deliverer to the training ground


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 22:13:40
That will be the new top prize of the STFC Lotto


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 22:16:14
I see WBA are endearing themselves to fanbase also


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 22:17:19
Good news about the free parking though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, December 5, 2023, 23:04:29
About 20 clubs in this league would love to have 5K plus season ticket holders and ours are not the cheapest by any imagination.

Yet, our club decide to open up a debate that wasn't needed and certainly not mid season when they might flog the odd season ticket or 6 game packages.

The question in the AB about lost ticket revenue could be coincidence or a planted one to then raise the season ticket discount?

Maybe they are being disruptor by saying the 40% free games (which is skewed by the higher 23x£27 walk up price) so people then settle for a 25% discount. Or maybe it's just incompetence.?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 07:35:47
Not taking the piss when I say is it too late to ask for my covid season ticket money back? What an absolute bunch of twats


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 07:58:09
The advisory board minutes repeat the same c**p about giving away free tickets to season ticket holders. Very poorly written - I assume reading, writing and arithmetic isn’t out CEO’s forte


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 08:18:01
Not taking the piss when I say is it too late to ask for my covid season ticket money back? What an absolute bunch of twats

Email them and find out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 08:25:53
Email them and find out

Will do.

Maybe this bunch of crooks would also have people more likely to buy the full price ticket if they realise the money was being used for good. A conflict for many people to support the team you’ve always followed vs giving money to a bunch of crooks. Easy fix is to pay for a reduced ticket (U21, over 65) as a happy medium.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 08:33:51
I think this summer, with a hopefully all new hierarchy at the Trust, we could well be heading for a "no money, no Power" type campaign again. A disastrous January (there is no likely alternative), season tickets go up dramatically, accounts either don't materialise or reveal that we are being bled dry... Why would anyone still get behind these people?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 08:52:18
RE the Australia academy - reckon it will bring it 25k - 50k per course

Seriously? How many people are they expecting on each course soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 09:48:17
No cost to the club but it is revenue for the club... that seems like a strange way of doing it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 09:53:00
No cost to the club but it is revenue for the club... that seems like a strange way of doing it.

Yeah why would you chuck money at it with no benefit to yourself.

Bizarre


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 09:55:42
Laundry bill


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 09:57:15
Our crowds have dipped by around 10% on last year. I can see them dribbling down to the 6k mark of our recent lows if things don't improve/change. Won't have to worry so much about ST holders then.
That's not true. Excluding away fans, we averaged 8510 for the first 9 games of last season, and 8354 for the first 9 games of this season. That's less than a 2% drop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:03:59
There's a line in the AB minutes, that it's only fair that we start paying back clem the £6m he's put in once the club becomes sustainable - did a fan really asks this! So, I'm not sure we can expect any more investment once we become sustainable.
I think our current trajectory is the only way we're heading with this lot in charge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:13:35
There's a line in the AB minutes, that it's only fair that we start paying back clem the £6m he's put in once the club becomes sustainable - did a fan really asks this! So, I'm not sure we can expect any more investment once we become sustainable.

Is there?  I'll look later but if its only fan comment then it can be ignored

My interpretation of "not taking a penny out the club" was that he'd get his cash back (+ some) by selling some or part of the club. Which is fair enough on the face of it.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:15:16
These are shambolic.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-meeting-minutes-november-2023.pdf

Clem Jong Un has gone full late-era Power hasn't he?
Surge in the Town End ?,  fuck me,  that must have been a few years ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mplanney on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:16:29
Swindon Town FC launch their new ticket deals for the 23/24 season:

For only 650 you can get all 23 games, that's a mere 5% more than buying on the day and guarantees you a seat.  Those paying on the day retain their small discount, knowing they always take the risk there may not be any availability.

Want to spread that over 4 x monthly payment?  No problem, we have financing available at 49% APR to help you budget more effectively.

To make it simple for our simple fans, there is now only one price, the price of the seat.  We don't want to run the risk of legal action based on age discrimination, so this supports our aims of running a fair and equitable football club.  We have used the adult pricing from the 2022/23 season as we have more adults than children buying tickets on credit cards.

Last but not least, all fans buying season tickets need only select ONE of the following free services they are willing to provide the club next season:  a) Electrical work, b) a field upon which the first team can train or c) the provision of a free bicycle rack so we can get that ticked off the AB minutes once and for all.

Matchday tickets remain unchanged for adults, every one else will now be expected to buy the single adult ticket.  However, in a small change, this will now be a bid for a seat and is non-refundable.  In the event you do not win the seat lottery on a matchday you are welcome to try again at the next match.  You will also be required to spend 30 minutes staffing one of our concession stands, previous experience is not required.
Very Good Rob, wait to March and can compare the accuracy and find your being far too generous with the offer. 

The CEO hasn’t even started to look at you Ifollow watchers ripping off the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:34:23
Is there?  I'll look later but if its only fan comment then it can be ignored

My interpretation of "not taking a penny out the club" was that he'd get his cash back (+ some) by selling some or part of the club. Which is fair enough on the face of it.
CM may want to inform AH about this, as in discussing the concept of the club being sustainable -
"it will be breaking even every year and that then allows Clem to then invest more in the players which is what everybody wants to see"
So even being sustainable, we're reliant on Clem to finance player purchases? Are all these £250k needed each month to continue the club and play bills being added to the loan CM has against the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:40:02
Is there?  I'll look later but if its only fan comment then it can be ignored

My interpretation of "not taking a penny out the club" was that he'd get his cash back (+ some) by selling some or part of the club. Which is fair enough on the face of it.



It's fan comment, but there is a club response to the comment 'Clem is not looking to recover
the monies paid until the club becomes sustainable.'

As above, this contrasts with what AH said on the sofa.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:40:29
I know the numbers don’t add up anyway regardless but any idea how much money was squandered through the whole Jody Morris / Ed Brand debacle.

Based on nothing more than his previous coaching career - I just have the assumption he didn’t come cheap to start with & we’ve then had to paid him off a massive amount.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:42:08
CM may want to inform AH about this, as in discussing the concept of the club being sustainable -
"it will be breaking even every year and that then allows Clem to then invest more in the players which is what everybody wants to see"
So even being sustainable, we're reliant on Clem to finance player purchases? Are all these £250k needed each month to continue the club and play bills being added to the loan CM has against the club?

In fairness he might just mean instead of plugging holes with his 250k, he can instead invest in more players over and above the (break even) budget. i.e. not necessary but for additions we wouldn't normally be able to afford.

I think it merely fanciful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 10:43:41
It's fan comment, but there is a club response to the comment 'Clem is not looking to recover
the monies paid until the club becomes sustainable.'

Ah, lunchtime reading I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 11:09:40
Unashamedly stolen from Facebook.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jdkC1FBs/Untitled.png)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 11:16:30
That's not true. Excluding away fans, we averaged 8510 for the first 9 games of last season, and 8354 for the first 9 games of this season. That's less than a 2% drop.

Hmmm. Got to be honest, I never actually calculated it. Just gut feeling that we seemed to get around 9.5k for a lot of games last season, but looking back we did get a few 8k games and a 7.5k Tues night game against Bradford. Did get 10.5k against Crawley mind.

Wonder how many we will get against Barrow next week?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 11:29:22
I recall Fitting mentioning multiple times around 2008 time that average crowds of 7500 would sustain a £2.5mn wage bill in League One. The world and state of football is a very different place 15 years on, but with considerably more expensive season tickets than that era (may have been the £200 ST drive season?) and greater guaranteed funding from the League, it just doesn't all add up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: blinkpip on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 12:12:23
The new CEO should be sacked, probably cost the Club £1000's in lost season ticket sales.

First time in 25 years I'm considering not renewing now, money is tight and being called a free loader, being disrespected by Club officials is enough.
A big increase would definitely be the end for me for sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 12:15:24
I hope that all of this will galvanise support for the team not for the owners but in spite of. Flynn and the “squad” have done incredibly well to get to where they’ve got and that should only be applauded.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 12:25:57
I hope that all of this will galvanise support for the team not for the owners but in spite of. Flynn and the “squad” have done incredibly well to get to where they’ve got and that should only be applauded.
Pretty much how I feel.

It does piss me off that Clem and the CEO still have very strong and vocal supporters on FB and the other socials and cant see what the issue is, deluded.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 13:37:27
wonder if myton, agnus, bathford and some others are preparing an offer to get rid of macrory and the gang mk2

theres money and knowledge in the fanbase woudl be an intresting move

A consortium of well off fans would have me frothing at the mouth. Take my money for a season ticket, three replica shirts a year and whatever else. 




And then i'll wake up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 14:11:42
A consortium of well off fans would have me frothing at the mouth. Take my money for a season ticket, three replica shirts a year and whatever else. 




And then i'll wake up.
how bout some free games thrown in


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 14:13:59
Should ask Mr Hall about the 23 'free games' season ticket holders missed out on when they decided to forego their 2020/21 refunds - round robin phonecalls to push those who resisted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 14:27:08
Should ask Mr Hall about the 23 'free games' season ticket holders missed out on when they decided to forego their 2020/21 refunds - round robin phonecalls to push those who resisted.

My mates dad asked for a refund, was told the club would get back to him, time and time again he kept chasing. He never received it and gave up in the end


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 14:54:36
My mates dad asked for a refund, was told the club would get back to him, time and time again he kept chasing. He never received it and gave up in the end

I got mine, and even got a full refund (including the ifollow amount) for the second ticket as we only used one of the free codes.

The irony was after I had got my refund I still received emails asking me to call them so they could process it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:20:08
If we’re running at annual costs of 8.2m, that’s a 30% increase in costs on the 12M to May-22 (the last accounts)

That’s more than double inflation. Wages will be down. I genuinely struggle to understand what could be accounting for it

It’s that answer which the trusts digging should uncover, not just validating that the number at the end of a quickbooks statement equals £8.2m.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:40:57
If we’re running at annual costs of 8.2m, that’s a 30% increase in costs on the 12M to May-22 (the last accounts)

That’s more than double inflation. Wages will be down. I genuinely struggle to understand what could be accounting for it

It’s that answer which the trusts digging should uncover, not just validating that the number at the end of a quickbooks statement equals £8.2m.

And rent halved as I understand which must have been a significant line item?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:44:11
And rent halved as I understand which must have been a significant line item?

Not really, less than 100k reduction in real terms I think.  Rent was never the big ticket item it was made out to be by many a previous owner and was significantly below commercial rates for the size of land and facilities.  The fact we've never done much to extract value from them is the real issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:50:22
Not really, less than 100k reduction in real terms I think.  Rent was never the big ticket item it was made out to be by many a previous owner and was significantly below commercial rates for the size of land and facilities.  The fact we've never done much to extract value from them is the real issue.


Fair enough, but rent ain't gone up would be a valid observation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:50:36
If the rent reduction is £100k, that would cover 6,250 adults entering on U18 tickets, or 20,000 of them pretending to be OAPs/Student.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:52:54
If the rent reduction is £100k, that would cover 6,250 adults entering on U18 tickets, or 20,000 of them pretending to be OAPs/Student.

There's a "Maths with Anthony Hall" module to be done:

2 freeloaders are travelling on trains towards the County Ground. One is an OAP, one is a season ticket holder who waived his covid refund... etc etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 15:53:49
If the rent reduction is £100k, that would cover 6,250 adults entering on U18 tickets, or 20,000 of them pretending to be OAPs/Student.

What about the Flies?  They get in free for every game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:03:46
What about the Flies?  They get in free for every game.

Said it before, will say it again.

Make the Town End £20. Then I get hardly any free games and everyone is happy...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:03:56
Fair enough, but rent ain't gone up would be a valid observation.

Yes - the club will counter with the fact they had to pick-up all the maintenance that Power had avoided while he complained he shouldn't be responsible for it.

Interestingly, Deloitte published their review of football finances which showed the average Revenue for a L2 club was 5.2m in 21/22 and an average wage bill of 2.7m.

I did wonder if Hall's moment of memory fuzziness over the FPP %'s was in fact an attempt to avoid a proper answer, and in trying to do so, he slipped out the fact our wages are much lower than allowed.  I mean, he can't seriously NOT know the % allowed and he can't seriously NOT know how much we spend.  I imagine he knows both well enough, and our % is indeed somewhere between 30% and 40%, or whatever he mumbled.  Giving clarity here, after making a specific statement about Revenue being 6.9m, would have meant having to defend us not spending 3.8m (using the 55% limit).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:05:34
Said it before, will say it again.

Make the Town End £20. Then I get hardly any free games and everyone is happy...

But Batch, we all know you are using an old knee injury to grab a Disabled spot when you shouldn't be entitled to it.  I imagine in future seasons we will be tipping people out of wheelchairs to double check their ability to transfer to a proper full price seat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:11:54
But Batch, we all know you are using an old knee injury to grab a Disabled spot when you shouldn't be entitled to it.  I imagine in future seasons we will be tipping people out of wheelchairs to double check their ability to transfer to a proper full price seat.

Yeah, "too old for hamlet, too young for Lear" on the concession tickets. Its the only way to game the system.

Hahaha, take that club revenue.
----
If so many people are taking advantage, have they considered they won't bother when the loophole is closed? I'm not suggesting it isn't the right thing to do. But it might not be the money spinner that is expected.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:12:47
i must say hall looked genuinely chuffed with himself when he realised he got his about 40% calc correct
"its too much"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:15:09
Legally where do we stand with waived refunds?

Is there a timeframe whereby the club dont need to honour it- or did they just set a 'deadline' arbitrarily? Money is leaving this club blatantly, i now want mine back.

Small claims court?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:19:25
Yeah, "too old for hamlet, too young for Lear" on the concession tickets. Its the only way to game the system.

Hahaha, take that club revenue.
----
If so many people are taking advantage, have they considered they won't bother when the loophole is closed? I'm not suggesting it isn't the right thing to do. But it might not be the money spinner that is expected.

I very much doubt it is an issue at all, beyond a handful a game.

It's cover for enabling them to get into the Season Ticket, Nationwide and school kid ticket "issues".  Start off by shouting about fraud, then "rationalise" the age brackets to reduce the "risk" and raise the prices while you are at it to stop all the freebies.  They already tried it, to a lesser extent, and backed off it a bit last time around.  It's not something they've just realised after a thorough cost and revenue analysis.  I think the fraud angle was their attempt to soften the response this time around (they didn't go as hard after that last time).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:19:45
Yes - the club will counter with the fact they had to pick-up all the maintenance that Power had avoided while he complained he shouldn't be responsible for it.

Interestingly, Deloitte published their review of football finances which showed the average Revenue for a L2 club was 5.2m in 21/22 and an average wage bill of 2.7m.

I did wonder if Hall's moment of memory fuzziness over the FPP %'s was in fact an attempt to avoid a proper answer, and in trying to do so, he slipped out the fact our wages are much lower than allowed.  I mean, he can't seriously NOT know the % allowed and he can't seriously NOT know how much we spend.  I imagine he knows both well enough, and our % is indeed somewhere between 30% and 40%, or whatever he mumbled.  Giving clarity here, after making a specific statement about Revenue being 6.9m, would have meant having to defend us not spending 3.8m (using the 55% limit).

I find it strange that Clem has never looked to appoint someone that has knowledge of football who has worked in roles at other clubs, especially the CEO position, I'm sure a lot of these things would be resolved as they would be experienced and understand how a football clubs works, rather than having to learn on the job not having been involved in running a football club previously - especially as Clem had no experience either



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:24:36
Legally where do we stand with waived refunds?

Is there a timeframe whereby the club dont need to honour it- or did they just set a 'deadline' arbitrarily? Money is leaving this club blatantly, i now want mine back.

Small claims court?

You have 6 years to claim a debt.  You'd need to contact the club and make it clear you hold them responsible for the refund and give them a reasonable time to respond and refund.  Then you can go down the Small Claims route if they decide to hold firm.  I very much doubt there is much by way of precedent to determine the chance of success, but the agreement to NOT take a refund would likely take the form of a new contract.  As a result, you would argue you were placed under duress when agreeing to it, which makes the contract invalid (if the courts agree).  Depends how much effort you want to put in.

Now, if a cluster of people know a good solicitor, you could go down the Class Action route (mass action).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:25:03
I find it strange that Clem has never looked to appoint someone that has knowledge of football who has worked in roles at other clubs, especially the CEO position, I'm sure a lot of these things would be resolved as they would be experienced and understand how a football clubs works, rather than having to learn on the job not having been involved in running a football club previously - especially as Clem had no experience either
I agree with the sentiment but I think there would have been an obvious reason why he didn’t go down that route - ££.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:26:22
I very much doubt it is an issue at all, beyond a handful a game.

It's cover for enabling them to get into the Season Ticket, Nationwide and school kid ticket "issues".  Start off by shouting about fraud, then "rationalise" the age brackets to reduce the "risk" and raise the prices while you are at it to stop all the freebies.  They already tried it, to a lesser extent, and backed off it a bit last time around.  It's not something they've just realised after a thorough cost and revenue analysis.  I think the fraud angle was their attempt to soften the response this time around (they didn't go as hard after that last time).

Yeah, I agree.

I'm sure the Trust will be asking them to show their working when they use this to bump up prices and eliminate the U21 category :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:26:50
I agree with the sentiment but I think there would have been an obvious reason why he didn’t go down that route - ££.

Yes, let's face it, Clem can only ever appoint someone who doesn't want to wave a flashlight through every filing cabinet.

No serious football exec would touch this club with a bargepole.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:33:03
I agree with the sentiment but I think there would have been an obvious reason why he didn’t go down that route - ££.
plus you can't hide and spin stuff quite as much to


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:35:06
You have 6 years to claim a debt.  You'd need to contact the club and make it clear you hold them responsible for the refund and give them a reasonable time to respond and refund.  Then you can go down the Small Claims route if they decide to hold firm.  I very much doubt there is much by way of precedent to determine the chance of success, but the agreement to NOT take a refund would likely take the form of a new contract.  As a result, you would argue you were placed under duress when agreeing to it, which makes the contract invalid (if the courts agree).  Depends how much effort you want to put in.

Now, if a cluster of people know a good solicitor, you could go down the Class Action route (mass action).


Thanks for that, will request a refund.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:39:26
If there is a few of you doing this maybe draft up a letter outlining the reasons you're asking for it. Disgust over the comments from Hall about season ticket holders, Clems comments on giving the fans half the ground, the lack of competitive budget vs revenue, etc.

If they get even say 10 letters all saying the same thing demanding money back it might be a bit of a wake up call. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:42:27
If there is a few of you doing this maybe draft up a letter outlining the reasons you're asking for it. Disgust over the comments from Hall about season ticket holders, Clems comments on giving the fans half the ground, the lack of competitive budget vs revenue, etc.

If they get even say 10 letters all saying the same thing demanding money back it might be a bit of a wake up call. 

Bet they dont even have the decency to reply


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 16:49:04
Bet they dont even have the decency to reply
off course they wont theyre cunts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 17:13:59
off course they wont theyre cunts

Just for balance- im sure there are some good, honest, hardworking staff who genuinely love the club.

The regime though, are indeed cunts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 18:00:29
I would imagine there are many decent people behind the scenes connected to the club who constantly worry about their job security.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 18:20:43
I'm sure the Trust will be asking them to show their working when they use this to bump up prices and eliminate the U21 category :)

Mmmmm, that rumoured Trust-backed Man City price gouge would suggest otherwise...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 18:22:48
Mmmmm, that rumoured Trust-backed Man City price gouge would suggest otherwise...

I think there is a vast difference between that and whats being spoken about at the moment. Every single club charges a higher rate when playing the very top teams, it made sense we did the same.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 18:38:35
If we’re running at annual costs of 8.2m, that’s a 30% increase in costs on the 12M to May-22 (the last accounts)

That’s more than double inflation. Wages will be down. I genuinely struggle to understand what could be accounting for it

It’s that answer which the trusts digging should uncover, not just validating that the number at the end of a quickbooks statement equals £8.2m.

I assume a big chunk of the increased spend was paying and ultimately paying off Jody Morris.
Kinda feels like Clem thought he’d hit the jackpot when Morris applied and pushed the boat out to get him here. It probably wasn’t even a job Morris ever wanted - just wanted to be linked and get his name about. Possibly tried to price himself out of it and Clem went ok.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 19:31:30
🤣🤣

https://x.com/jiff1967/status/1732437790980260198?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 19:37:20
https://x.com/lowerleaguelook/status/1732470978888790504?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 20:11:02
What odds the fans forum in January actually happens?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 20:16:06
What odds the fans forum in January actually happens?

Imagine if fans had been there for Clem’s swear-fest or the Hall of Shame appearance?

They should count their lucky stars that Vic treated them so well.

Throw Clem and Hall together with fans, and a similar level of performance, and it will be carnage.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 20:44:08
Fans forums are usually tepid affairs where such controversial subjects as whether or not we can have Pepsi products as well as Coke products are discussed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 20:45:29
Fans forums are usually tepid affairs where such controversial subjects as whether or not we can have Pepsi products as well as Coke products are discussed.

Yep, they are a pointless exercise where nobody actually gets down to the nitty gritty


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 20:50:33
I imagine poor old Anthony Hall is utterly perplexed at how he has been landed in this shit for signing some documents from time to time for his boss in an 8m turnover business.  How the fuck did I end up in memes he must be wondering.  Imagine the scene as he logged off for dinner last night....

"Hi Dear, how was your day, better than that meeting last night?"

"No, I don't know what has happened love but I'm all over that Xy Twittery thing.  I'm a laughing stock"

"Ooh, that's terrible, never mind, I've got the sandwich toaster all warmed up, would you like some with your Pot Noodle tonight?"

"Yes, but have we got any Kraft Slices instead of Cheddar?"

"WHAT, Tony, just fuck the fuck off you pleb, are you really that fucking stupid"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 20:58:41
Fans forums are usually tepid affairs where such controversial subjects as whether or not we can have Pepsi products as well as Coke products are discussed.

Sadly that does tend to be the reality. The pitchforks are left at home.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 21:40:51

"No, I don't know what has happened love but I'm all over that Xy Twittery thing.  I'm a laughing stock"

"Ooh, that's terrible, never mind, I've got the sandwich toaster all warmed up, would you like some with your Pot Noodle tonight?"

Run him a bath to go with the toaster Mrs Hall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, December 6, 2023, 22:27:29
Sadly that does tend to be the reality. The pitchforks are left at home.



I think, for the first time since the other cockney clown in the friendship circle of wronguns had the club, the majority of the fan base are united and it won’t be the most pleasant evening.

Serious doubts it happens, limited numbers if it does and potentially screened Qs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 06:38:55
Trying to catch up but down have time to read back.....Nothing has happened since the Hall interview has it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 07:24:47
So glad I let the ST go. As I said and firmly believe one word sums this up an it is still ‘January’. Only got the Wrexham game pencilled in to watch going forward, after that I just don’t know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 08:04:57
Yep, they are a pointless exercise where nobody actually gets down to the nitty gritty
It will probably be like the previous one where the Broadbent lounge were vetting the questions.

Trying to catch up but down have time to read back.....Nothing has happened since the Hall interview has it?
Just the AB minutes being released and containing a doubling down on the too many free matches line.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 08:36:42
Could the explanation for Hall’s pathetic display on Monday be that he was peddling lines for prospective new owners. Imminent deal, and they’re to deliver the hard messages on Nationwide / season ticket prices etc. Maybe?

Pure speculation. I’m just looking at alternative explanations beyond complete incompetence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 08:40:39
Loathed strangers podcast is out now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 08:44:10
Could the explanation for Hall’s pathetic display on Monday be that he was peddling lines for prospective new owners. Imminent deal, and they’re to deliver the hard messages on Nationwide / season ticket prices etc. Maybe?

Pure speculation. I’m just looking at alternative explanations beyond complete incompetence.

I'm not sure I'd bother looking further than this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 08:53:39
I wonder how happy Nationwide are and what discussions have happened internally and with the club.

From their perspective they've paid a chuck of money up front for sponsorship and included some perks as part of that.

but now, at any opportunity that deal is being criticised. I'm sure from a match day revenue perspective it looks bad - but similar to the free games for season ticket holders, money has come into the club up front and will be accounted for elsewhere..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 08:54:01
Loathed strangers podcast is out now

With an enjoyable first minute or two, presumably from Bogus Dave.

It does feel like the "too many free games" is going to be a long term reference like Bob Holt buying a house or Sandy Gray forgetting about VAT. Or Gerald Ratner...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:14:04
I wonder how happy Nationwide are and what discussions have happened internally and with the club.

From their perspective they've paid a chuck of money up front for sponsorship and included some perks as part of that.

but now, at any opportunity that deal is being criticised. I'm sure from a match day revenue perspective it looks bad - but similar to the free games for season ticket holders, money has come into the club up front and will be accounted for elsewhere..

I'm sure he said it was about 300 tickets a game, which would be £3,900 a game or c£90k a season.  Which I'm not sure if the Nationwide deal covers? However, I doubt all those 300 people would still go and then you have food/drinks, merchandise sales on top.

If we were selling out every week then I could understand but as I said, would they all be happy to pay £27 a game?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:20:47
However, I doubt all those 300 people would still go and then you have food/drinks, merchandise sales on top.

If we were selling out every week then I could understand but as I said, would they all be happy to pay £27 a game?

100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:22:58
100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.

Agreed and it shows a lack of commercial nous


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:24:12
100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.
I agree fully, I would expect probably 90% of those wouldnt bother going at all without the deal in place, if not more.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:26:01
It looks like Hall said the same stuff about free tickets at the advisory board meeting - didn't the trust challenge him? Isn't that what these meetings are for? Surely if they had he wouldn't have repeated the same lines to Vic


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:34:08
It looks like Hall said the same stuff about free tickets at the advisory board meeting - didn't the trust challenge him? Isn't that what these meetings are for? Surely if they had he wouldn't have repeated the same lines to Vic

It's almost like the AB never actually happened and they retro-fitted the OSC chat answers into the AB format... uncanny really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:43:22
It looks like Hall said the same stuff about free tickets at the advisory board meeting - didn't the trust challenge him? Isn't that what these meetings are for? Surely if they had he wouldn't have repeated the same lines to Vic
Spencer was the Trust rep at the meeting, so probably not


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:46:37
I agree fully, I would expect probably 90% of those wouldnt bother going at all without the deal in place, if not more.

Not sure I agree that only 10% would, but the discount is £12 vs £27 full price, so they'd need at least 65% of the people to go anyway *to break even on removing the scheme*

(That's before considering any cash funding Nationwide provide to the scheme, which I suspect is non-zero)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 09:57:57
The fact that Hall is an Arsenal fan makes me wonder if he thinks there’s a waiting list for season tickets and so us freeloaders that give up our ST’s will just be replaced by someone else who is happy to pay full price.

I was questioning whether to renew this year if the price went up too much, so will definitely have a tough decision to make if it goes up significantly this year.

Remember that the OSC & Trust persuaded Clem & Co not to put the season ticket price up by as much last year, so wonder if this is them telling them “it’s their fault” and not to interfere next time?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:02:59
Spencer was the Trust rep at the meeting, so probably not

Surely as a critical friend he might have warned Hall those comments wouldn't go down well?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:13:58
The fact that Hall is an Arsenal fan makes me wonder if he thinks there’s a waiting list for season tickets and so us freeloaders that give up our ST’s will just be replaced by someone else who is happy to pay full price.
I assumed he knew fuck all about football after that interview. You don’t need to be a genius to know that pissing off your core supporters isn’t going to end well.

I put it down to him not knowing the first thing about how football works. I’m certain you could choose anyone attending a game at the CG and they’d do a better job than that cretin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:31:57
I assumed he knew fuck all about football after that interview. You don’t need to be a genius to know that pissing off your core supporters isn’t going to end well.

I put it down to him not knowing the first thing about how football works. I’m certain you could choose anyone attending a game at the CG and they’d do a better job than that cretin.

Football Phil for CEO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:55:52
I’m certain you could choose anyone attending a game at the CG and they’d do a better job than that cretin.

Have you seen some of our fans? I wouldnt be so sure!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:55:59
100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.

Its like the Clubcard price vs the non-Clubcard price of certain products in tesco isn't it? Who is going to pay £7 for a tub of Anchor when you can get it for £2.30.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:59:39
Tub of Anchor = Tubby Wanker


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:02:42
Its like the Clubcard price vs the non-Clubcard price of certain products in tesco isn't it? Who is going to pay £7 for a tub of Anchor when you can get it for £2.30.

For sure, there will be Nationwide employees who would have gone anyway occasionally who will buy tickets through the scheme. I don't think there are many who would have had STs (a ST is still cheaper per game if you do all of them I believe) but there will be people who would have done half or whatever.

But is it feasible that maybe a third wouldn't have gone otherwise? Seems like it to me, and that's the break even point for the scheme, even before you consider a) buying any sundries on match day e.g. drinks, good and b) any money NBS might give to fund the scheme.

It's just not reasonable to calculate the 'cost' of this scheme by just going "300 people would have bought £27 tickets but are instead buying £15 tickets every game" and no other factors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dphunt88 on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:03:54
Not sure I agree that only 10% would, but the discount is £12 vs £27 full price, so they'd need at least 65% of the people to go anyway *to break even on removing the scheme*

(That's before considering any cash funding Nationwide provide to the scheme, which I suspect is non-zero)

Heads up, this season the Nationwide tickets have been £14 a pop. Last year was £12 a pop. Years before that, it was £10 a pop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:06:27
Heads up, this season the Nationwide tickets have been £14 a pop. Last year was £12 a pop. Years before that, it was £10 a pop.

These bastards have clearly been freeloading for years. Sounds like we would be in the Prem if it wasn't for Nationwide and their long, loyal and generous sponsorship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:06:51
Heads up, this season the Nationwide tickets have been £14 a pop. Last year was £12 a pop. Years before that, it was £10 a pop.

Ah sorry, I was working off them being £15, so it's a £13 discount/£1 more per person than my maths. I don't think that's likely to change the equation significantly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:10:59
While we’re at it, do those freeloading disabled fans pay full whack? Should be an additional fee for those wheelchairs, too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:21:47
Got a point!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:23:05
While we’re at it, do those freeloading disabled fans pay full whack? Should be an additional fee for those wheelchairs, too.

And their carers should probably pay double.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:28:32
Got a point!

Don't think the club control iFollow prices directly, thankfully - they're the same for every club right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:29:47
Got a point!

I assume the price is set by ifollow & not the club.
Also, ifollow is only *cough, cough* available aboard - therefore used by people who aren’t going to attend live games based on location.

Like, even these guys can’t think - hey that Swindon fan in bangkok only has to pay £10 a game and he watches it home…but…if that option was not there he’d definitely travel over and go to the game paying full price & would probably buy food & drink too £££


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:33:20
I assume the price is set by ifollow & not the club.
Also, ifollow is only *cough, cough* available aboard - therefore used by people who aren’t going to attend live games based on location.

Like, even these guys can’t think - hey that Swindon fan in bangkok only has to pay £10 a game and he watches it home…but…if that option was not there he’d definitely travel over and go to the game paying full price & would probably buy food & drink too £££

Would you put it past them though at this stage


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:34:33
I assume the price is set by ifollow & not the club.
Also, ifollow is only *cough, cough* available aboard - therefore used by people who aren’t going to attend live games based on location.

Like, even these guys can’t think - hey that Swindon fan in bangkok only has to pay £10 a game and he watches it home…but…if that option was not there he’d definitely travel over and go to the game paying full price & would probably buy food & drink too £££
Are we pointing the finger at Flashheart here?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:36:45
While we’re at it, do those freeloading disabled fans pay full whack? Should be an additional fee for those wheelchairs, too.

it used to be full price, but their carer/helper got a ST for £1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:37:45
I assumed he knew fuck all about football after that interview. You don’t need to be a genius to know that pissing off your core supporters isn’t going to end well.

To be fair, that's not football specific. A CEO needs certain qualities, and maybe he's supremely competent behind the scenes, but speaking in public is one thing you have to get right if you do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:39:03
I presumed he knew how STs ‘worked’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:41:12
I presumed he knew how STs ‘worked’.

Oh yeah, there was a lot I presumed he knew but didn't seem to.

What I mean is a CEO is able to hide "don't know/don't want to tell" in a professional manner. Its part of the job. But pee'ing off customers is good too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:45:48
To be fair, that's not football specific. A CEO needs certain qualities, and maybe he's supremely competent behind the scenes, but speaking in public is one thing you have to get right if you do it.

Maybe...

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:05:21
Would you put it past them though at this stage

Yes, I would actually put that line of thought past them. Even Hall can’t be that stupid.

Are we pointing the finger at Flashheart here?

Well yes, in the sense that he was the first Town fan aboard who came to mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:20:48
Off topic but the recent going after fans got me thinking about those who were ringing the alarm bells early on (not just on here) and took a fair bit of stick.

Similar to the previous regime where alarm bells were rung early, mostly ignored and shut down and then it slowly unravelled to have truth.

I’m not meaning those who blow negative all the time and nitpick for anything, I’m talking about those who raised reasonable and valid concerns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:30:28
I'm sure he said it was about 300 tickets a game, which would be £3,900 a game or c£90k a season.  Which I'm not sure if the Nationwide deal covers? However, I doubt all those 300 people would still go and then you have food/drinks, merchandise sales on top.

If we were selling out every week then I could understand but as I said, would they all be happy to pay £27 a game?

I got a few nationwide tickets through a mate this year and bought two beers every game. That'll bridge some gap for example.

It's so shortsighted, even without if being laughably a drop in the ocean compared to how the figures already don't add up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:31:33
Spencer was the Trust rep at the meeting, so probably not

He needs to go. Way too close to the club. Should have gone after the "we know who you are" jabs at stfc questions on twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:35:41
To be fair, that's not football specific. A CEO needs certain qualities, and maybe he's supremely competent behind the scenes, but speaking in public is one thing you have to get right if you do it.

Ha. Good one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:38:32
Off topic but the recent going after fans got me thinking about those who were ringing the alarm bells early on (not just on here) and took a fair bit of stick.

Similar to the previous regime where alarm bells were rung early, mostly ignored and shut down and then it slowly unravelled to have truth.

I’m not meaning those who blow negative all the time and nitpick for anything, I’m talking about those who raised reasonable and valid concerns.

I feel like it's only just starting to turn with some posters. It's been a long hard slog to get people to wake up to this regime.

The only ones left now are the Facebook clem loyalists that'll never be turned. One of them was even arguing that Anthony Hall didn't say about free games yesterday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:45:00
Off topic but the recent going after fans got me thinking about those who were ringing the alarm bells early on (not just on here) and took a fair bit of stick.

Similar to the previous regime where alarm bells were rung early, mostly ignored and shut down and then it slowly unravelled to have truth.

I’m not meaning those who blow negative all the time and nitpick for anything, I’m talking about those who raised reasonable and valid concerns.
The thing is Morfuni was quite clever with who he chose to manipulate and do his bidding. Getting members of the Trust board to be his lapdogs and vocal people on a Twitter to effectively do his PR was very calculated and bought him time. A lot of the regimes early misdemeanours were batted off as honest mistakes or misunderstandings due to this ‘saviour’ image that had been built up for him. Anyone critical of him couldn’t possibly be right as he had a whiter than white image.

It’s notable in recent times that some of his more previously ardent supporters have gone silent or even gone against him and his mob which has meant the alarm bells are able to be clearly heard by everyone. There’s almost no one left to defend the regime or give out the stick to those that are critical.

Morfuni has clearly got what he wants (50% of the ground) and as a result the true version of him has become apparent. In previous years some half arsed apology for what Hall said would have been released, it says everything that on this occasion there has been nothing but silence. It’s clear Morfuni and his mob just don’t care anymore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:47:17
The thing is Morfuni was quite clever with who he chose to manipulate and do his bidding. Getting members of the Trust board to be his lapdogs and vocal people on a Twitter to effectively do his PR was very calculated and bought him time. A lot of the regimes early misdemeanours were batted off as honest mistakes or misunderstandings due to this ‘saviour’ image that had been built up for him. Anyone critical of him couldn’t possibly be right as he had a whiter than white image.

It’s notable in recent times that some of his more previously ardent supporters have gone silent or even gone against him and his mob which has meant the alarm bells are able to be clearly heard by everyone. There’s almost no one left to defend the regime or give out the stick to those that are critical.

Morfuni has clearly got what he wants (50% of the ground) and as a result the true version of him has become apparent. In previous years some half arsed apology for what Hall said would have been released, it says everything that on this occasion there has been nothing but silence. It’s clear Morfuni and his mob just don’t care anymore.


Brilliant summary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:47:38
The only ones left now are the Facebook clem loyalists that'll never be turned. One of them was even arguing that Anthony Hall didn't say about free games yesterday.
Selective hearing and limited intelligence are a bad mix.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:52:43
It’s clear Morfuni and his mob just don’t care anymore.

But why? If you've got £6M+ tied up and want a ROI you don't run it into the ground.

To my mind there are three options. I'm sure there are loads more:
 1. Trussing the pig to sell.
 2. No money and desperately trying to wheel and deal in the background
 3. Its a nice little earner for someone even if we shed a few fans.

I have no idea which it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:55:12
But why? If you've got £6M+ tied up and want a ROI you don't run it into the ground.

To my mind there are three options. I'm sure there are loads more:
 1. Trussing the pig to sell.
 2. No money and desperately trying to wheel and deal in the background
 3. Its a nice little earner for someone even if we shed a few fans.

I have no idea which it is.
Likely a combination of all the above.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 12:57:57
I think the revelations about Chelsea sending money our/Powers way shows us we should never discount anything when it comes to football.  The very basic P&L doesn't tell us much of a story - I can make a business loss making if I create sufficient "costs".

I am not saying that is true for us right now, we just don't know though.  We can't, clearly, just take their word for it is the thing.

Also, if someone does go and buy the club for decent money, it will all be worth it regardless.

On Hall - he is not someone who seems (on available information and public viewing) at all qualified to be a CEO of a football club, a CEO of any business or someone who would be placed in charge of a significant football ground development.  He is clearly there to protect Clem's interests and do his bidding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 13:18:40
Likely a combination of all the above.
I guess the one other one is what is the club actually being used for, is the operation of it as a business/football team an irrelevance to those actually calling the shots. We basically had it confirmed the club was used for money laundering/FFP evasion under Power with the Abramovic thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 13:26:39
I guess the one other one is what is the club actually being used for, is the operation of it as a business/football team an irrelevance to those actually calling the shots. We basically had it confirmed the club was used for money laundering/FFP evasion under Power with the Abramovic thing.

Luckily no one with a background in laundering is involved in any way with the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Family at War on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 13:44:07
We need to approach Nick Watkins to come back. A gentleman and a professional


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 13:52:17
Good old Zav - see his efforts are likely to pay dividends (and probably a whole host of fees associated with obtaining Visa's etc):

https://footballpakistan.com/2023/06/pakistani-footballers-to-get-uk-scholarships/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:03:30
Good old Zav - see his efforts are likely to pay dividends (and probably a whole host of fees associated with obtaining Visa's etc):

https://footballpakistan.com/2023/06/pakistani-footballers-to-get-uk-scholarships/
Seeing that some people pay £50k+ to be smuggled in I dread to imagine what people would pay for a ‘legitimate’ visa.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:09:10
It was always clear what the game was with the Pakistan link-up, especially when it became clear the team did not exist.  There is anther article in March, on the same site, describing the set-up from a local Coach point of view.  Essentially, they created a brand new team specifically for this purpose (not a team that was bothered with competing in a league), the link up with STFC provides the legitimate sponsor and the education scholarships provide the way in.  Locals get some better facilities and coaching, so good for them, but ultimately our involvement is necessary to make the scheme financially viable I assume.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:13:55
It was always clear what the game was with the Pakistan link-up, especially when it became clear the team did not exist.  There is anther article in March, on the same site, describing the set-up from a local Coach point of view.  Essentially, they created a brand new team specifically for this purpose (not a team that was bothered with competing in a league), the link up with STFC provides the legitimate sponsor and the education scholarships provide the way in.  Locals get some better facilities and coaching, so good for them, but ultimately our involvement is necessary to make the scheme financially viable I assume.
Will the government’s brilliant initiative on curbing immigration not have a bearing on this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:30:40
Will the government’s brilliant initiative on curbing immigration not have a bearing on this?

Perhaps STFC can solve a few of Rishi's many problems and agree to hold our entirely above board talent trials in Rwanda?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:36:09
Will the government’s brilliant initiative on curbing immigration not have a bearing on this?

Not likely, this is all above board skills based and education based immigration with a Country within the old Empire.  Even if it does, it will simply enhance the premium people will pay to get their family sponsored over.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:39:40
Not likely, this is all above board skills based and education based immigration with a Country within the old Empire.  Even if it does, it will simply enhance the premium people will pay to get their family sponsored over.
When this was first mooted, I asked why it was not being done in co-ordination with the Community Foundation, which already has an excellent partnership in Livingston, Zambia. I wrote to all levels of the club, but received no reply or acknowledgement at all. Enuff said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 16:19:09
So fed up with everything STFC to be honest. Have been going near enough my whole life and will most probably continue to do so for the rest of it. That being said my interest is at an all time low. Problem after problem, shite after shite. The club really needs someone to grab it by the balls and sort it out once and for all. As pointed out by many people the potential is enormous at the club, it just needs the right people behind the scenes to get it moving. We thought we had it under Black/Fitton but in true Swindon style it came crashing down.

I don't see any way that January isn't a disaster. Either Clem is looking for cash before he sells or he's looking for cash into the club regardless. That most probably entails that Kahn will be sold, perhaps Hutton as well. Young to return, but that's a given anyway. Supposedly there is a deal to be done for Kemp, MK owe us money for Twine, so does Clem use that as part of a bid for Kemp or receive the money in for Twine? Think i know which one i'm leaning towards.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 16:24:02
This is the way that I feel about it we have never really recovered from the Black era and have continually gone backwards since . I feel that the current situation will not end well and the sooner they sell up the better but until that happens you cant see things improving anytime soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 16:32:46
This is the way that I feel about it we have never really recovered from the Black era and have continually gone backwards since . I feel that the current situation will not end well and the sooner they sell up the better but until that happens you cant see things improving anytime soon.

Totally agree, why claim massive investment, while not investing sufficiently on the pitch ensuring no progress and dwindling revenue.  Hoping that the sale is well under way.  From the last interview with Clem, his ownership has become a chore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 16:49:37
So fed up with everything STFC to be honest. Have been going near enough my whole life and will most probably continue to do so for the rest of it. That being said my interest is at an all time low. Problem after problem, shite after shite. The club really needs someone to grab it by the balls and sort it out once and for all. As pointed out by many people the potential is enormous at the club, it just needs the right people behind the scenes to get it moving. We thought we had it under Black/Fitton but in true Swindon style it came crashing down.

I don't see any way that January isn't a disaster. Either Clem is looking for cash before he sells or he's looking for cash into the club regardless. That most probably entails that Kahn will be sold, perhaps Hutton as well. Young to return, but that's a given anyway. Supposedly there is a deal to be done for Kemp, MK owe us money for Twine, so does Clem use that as part of a bid for Kemp or receive the money in for Twine? Think i know which one i'm leaning towards.

With you here.
It means a lot to me and why it hurts.

It’s been far too long to be owned by shysters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 16:57:09
With you here.
It means a lot to me and why it hurts.

It’s been far too long to be owned by shysters.


I think that Anthony Hall put the final nail in the coffin of supporters backing the owner, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 17:04:19
People have been so distracted thinking about Lee Power, Michael Standing, Zav Austin, Chris Kiely etc...

This man is a pure distillation of how the chairman thinks and operates, as exemplified by the doubling down of such in the AB notes.

Not something a guy who takes a loose passing interest in Arsenal from a distance thinks up in isolation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 17:15:06
People have been so distracted thinking about Lee Power, Michael Standing, Zav Austin, Chris Kiely etc...

This man is a pure distillation of how the chairman thinks and operates, as exemplified by the doubling down of such in the AB notes.

Not something a guy who takes a loose passing interest in Arsenal from a distance thinks up in isolation.
That’s a good point to be fair. This is the first time we’ve encountered a Morfuni man from the real world so is a reflection of the man himself. With his sweary interviews and seeing one his go to people in action we’ve seen the real Morfuni and it isn’t pretty.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 17:27:09
That’s a good point to be fair. This is the first time we’ve encountered a Morfuni man from the real world so is a reflection of the man himself. With his sweary interviews and seeing one his go to people in action we’ve seen the real Morfuni and it isn’t pretty.

Correct. It was a very slick PR campaign from the get go, super-powered by the Trust. Amazing/terrifying that people were blinded by a bucket hat, pulling pints and, most shamefully, embracing Don Rogers, when the man’s first act was to attempt to install a convicted drugs money launderer as his right hand man who would be running the club in his absence. Axis never passed the sniff test either. It was maddening to be in the minority frantically pointing out the clear red flags. I totally get that people were ready for “Anyone but Power” but the Trust absolutely failed everyone by flogging the Morfuni regime and pretending that he was, in dear old Zav’s words, “the Messiah” and hysterically screaming “we’ve got our club back” at every opportunity. I can’t think of a time where I’ve felt further from the club than now.

The question is, what can we do about it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 17:36:23
I'd love to see the due diligence that was claimed to have been done on Morfuni.

The man said he was willing to buy the club for 7m, got it for 200k and has plead poverty in the name of sustainability ever since.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 18:02:48
The question is, what can we do about it?

Call for the cunts head boxing day if its not going well for a start. Big crowd. A lot of eyes on us with Hollywood in town. He should be at the game for the first time.

"Are you Power in disguise?"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 18:13:26
Call for the cunts head boxing day if its not going well for a start. Big crowd. A lot of eyes on us with Hollywood in town. He should be at the game for the first time.

"Are you Power in disguise?"

I very much doubt that will have much impact on a person whose CEO is already more than happy to point the finger of blame squarely on the existing customer base for a lack of income.

Lets not pretend such supporter angst had any impact on Power either.  His departure was set in motion by the inner circle starting to take shots at each other when the money from other sources got tight and one of them was found to have taken more of the pie.  Zav didn't get a good old fashioned knee capping for nothing.

The only way the fans have any input into the future is to get the Trust to begin work on an investment vehicle to take equity or the entire business.  Be that fan led, fan+ investor or just investor.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: blinkpip on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 18:22:03
I got a feeling the Club Cash back (in the shop) with season ticket holders no longer exists/stopped.
It worked for me in June on the Home Kit, but anything bought since in store or online no longer gets tracked.
If any ST users here bought anything within the last few months have a look.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 18:33:53
There was no club cash on my card when I bought my kid's present a couple of days ago, I haven't bought anything this year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 22:47:57
When I ordered the 3rd shirt they packed and sent me two by mistake.
So I took one back for a full refund #freeloader

Do not feel guilty.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: kirky69 on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 22:52:59
Sorry but that is theft and dishonesty. Nothing to be proud of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 23:14:56
Quote from: blinkpip
I got a feeling the Club Cash back (in the shop) with season ticket holders no longer exists/stopped.
It worked for me in June on the Home Kit, but anything bought since in store or online no longer gets tracked.
If any ST users here bought anything within the last few months have a look.

I couldn't see any either. I wondered if there was a lack of link between st and online  - all my purchases were in-store.

obviously that shouldn't be the case


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 23:20:00
Sorry but that is theft and dishonesty. Nothing to be proud of.

Who is that directed at DV or this regime?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 23:30:53
Sorry but that is theft and dishonesty. Nothing to be proud of.

Don’t say that.
I’ll probably end up with 10% shares & fit right in with the other characters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, December 8, 2023, 08:04:41
When I ordered the 3rd shirt they packed and sent me two by mistake.
So I took one back for a full refund #freeloader

Do not feel guilty.


Is it me or did you also admit to getting in on a junior ticket earlier in this thread?
Either way it makes you a Tw@t


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 8, 2023, 08:09:31
Not sure he's being serious. More a dig at being a freeloader?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 08:28:11
Is it me or did you also admit to getting in on a junior ticket earlier in this thread?
Either way it makes you a Tw@t
We’re all twats on here. Haven’t you noticed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 8, 2023, 08:35:31
Is it me or did you also admit to getting in on a junior ticket earlier in this thread?
Either way it makes you a Tw@t

It’s you.

I struggled to get in on a junior ticket when I was a junior: let alone pushing 40…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 8, 2023, 09:26:39
Does DV get 9 free shirts a season?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, December 8, 2023, 09:55:07
Is it me or did you also admit to getting in on a junior ticket earlier in this thread?
Either way it makes you a Tw@t

It’s you.
What he actually said was he has nicked a wheelchair from a hospital and gets in on a disabled ticket.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 8, 2023, 09:56:47
It’s you.
What he actually said was he has nicked a wheelchair from a hospital and gets in on a disabled ticket.

Boo! Chuck him in the stocks! Make him eligible!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 8, 2023, 10:19:19
It’s you.
What he actually said was he has nicked a wheelchair from a hospital and gets in on a disabled ticket.


I was out running when you posted this


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 10:21:22
Here’s the pic to prove it



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:09:04
How much actual up front capital is a new owner/consortium going to actually need to oust Clem and the crooks/hangers on do we think?

Clem wants £15m but lets be honest, he won't be getting that and he definitely won't be getting it up front.

I can't imagine he'd fuck off for a quid and the new owners take the figure owed out of the club to pay him over a period of time either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:12:19
Given the Balance Sheet, and the fact he now doesn't own 100%, you expect a couple of million upfront and an agreement to repay the Directors Loans over a period of time would end up being sufficient.  The freehold and new lease give them that bit extra, but there isn't any planning permission or agreed contracts in place yet on the ground.  The business has few assets on the books other than that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:14:27
It’s got to the stage now whereby nobody knows what to believe - pretty much a similar situation to the death throes of the Power era. He got the club for a pittance and, as far as we know, has consolidated a load of debt in his name.

Unless, and until, the accounts are scrutinised it’s difficult to tell how ‘healthy’ the club is - or isn’t. But you’ve got to think that the heel dragging of keeping the accounts from the Trust’s prying eyes doesn’t augur well.

Based on not much, I reckon he’d flog it for £7m.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:15:54
Given the Balance Sheet, and the fact he now doesn't own 100%, you expect a couple of million upfront and an agreement to repay the Directors Loans over a period of time would end up being sufficient.  The freehold and new lease give them that bit extra, but there isn't any planning permission or agreed contracts in place yet on the ground.  The business has few assets on the books other than that.

Yeah that is what I'm expecting. How much are the loans up to now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:17:25
Can he sell the club without having to ask ‘others’ for permission?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:19:16
Somewhere between 4.8m and 6m to Clem I think - we really do not know about the portion paid by Kiely and team though.  They may or may not appear as loans against their own names, funneled via Clem or just as pure share equity, who knows.  It could well stretch to 7m all in.  Assuming he is true to his word (yikes) something like 700k a year for 10 years.  You factor that into any bid, that you need to be confident of finding that much extra revenue or cost savings to cover it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:21:18
Can he sell the club without having to ask ‘others’ for permission?

He can offer his shares, but the other duo get to make an offer as well I believe.  I am 99% certain the new Articles and Memorandum of Association added include pre-emption rights, although the terms are not public, if there are any.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:22:08
So is there a minimum share % that invokes the same right Clem had when he bought the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:38:44
So is there a minimum share % that invokes the same right Clem had when he bought the club.

I may walk back my 99% statement!!!

I need to get my head around the shareholding situation - there are three or four companies intertwined.  Looks like STFC & Seebeck 87 Ltd do NOT have pre-emption rights, but Swinton Reds DOES.

It will al depend on where the shares really sit in terms of control.  Might take a while to figure that out again.

The pre-emption rights in Swinton Reds make it so all shareholders must be given the option to match any offer.  The company has the rights to do a share buy back before that as well, which seems unlikely as it isn't really a trading company.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:42:11
So, for arguments sake, if someone rocked up and offered Clem an amount - £7m? - which he accepted would that flush out all the turds that are clinging on to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:50:10
Everyone do the Euromillions tonight please


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:51:03
It’s probably been answered a hundred times already but how does the ground factor in to a club sale?

…could Clem in theory sell up for less / wipe some of the personal debt to himself in exchange for keeping / owning a % of the Stadium and / or being involved with the redevelopment ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:01:30
I’d imagine, and hope, that any prospective new owner would offer up the money and tell Clem and the myriad of hangers on and sycophants to fuck off with him and never show their faces again in SN1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:07:40
It’s probably been answered a hundred times already but how does the ground factor in to a club sale?

…could Clem in theory sell up for less / wipe some of the personal debt to himself in exchange for keeping / owning a % of the Stadium and / or being involved with the redevelopment ?

The club should have valued the asset once it came onto their books, which should be in the 22/23 Accounts that Hall said were ready for viewing, but they won't be sent to Companies House until Feb 2024 I think.

They would be valuing a shareholding in the JV company, which owns the freehold and would have a value as a result.

On top of that, the new lease would attract some value, and should be stated in the Accounts of the football club.

When selling shares, Clem and a buyer would take those new asset valuations into account, plus any new liabilities, to value the business.  We know Clem has Director loans, so he is owed that money on top of whatever the business itself is now worth.

If the ownership tree goes via Swinton Reds, then Hollie & Beth have the right to match any deal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:09:59
And if I remember correctly, the JV can block the sale of the 50% share the club has in the JV, BUT, I presume that does not prevent the ownership of the club itself from changing.  There is s gentleman's agreement that the club would inform the other parties if it itself was being sold.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:11:18
then Hollie & Beth have the right to match any deal.

Aside:: do we know the state of Beth's holding, OS has Chris and Hollie as declarable "Other Significant interests (as defined in the EFL regulations)" shareholders

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/


Not seen anyone mention changes at CH, so ?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:11:35
If the ownership tree goes via Swinton Reds, then Hollie & Beth have the right to match any deal.

Probably what will end up happening. Which will end up being out of the frying pan and on to the fire again, I suspect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:24:28
And if I remember correctly, the JV can block the sale of the 50% share the club has in the JV, BUT, I presume that does not prevent the ownership of the club itself from changing.  There is s gentleman's agreement that the club would inform the other parties if it itself was being sold.

Just a shame we aren’t dealing with gentlemen…

The Trust will be Neville Chamberlain waiving their piece of paper as Clem at al smash into Czechoslovakia.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, December 8, 2023, 17:40:38
For as long as it is not known (with evidence) where the £8.2m is actually going, I worry that this lot have no intention to sell, and are quite content with the way the club is operating - simply because it works very nicely indeed for them. That’s why it feels necessary to turn the heat up somehow on the rogues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, December 8, 2023, 18:21:38
I don't think that Clem / The Cabal have any serious intention to sell up any time soon, unless of course somebody makes them an offer that they can't refuse...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 8, 2023, 18:25:03
…but if the club is operating at a legit loss and Clem (and/or whoever is behind Clem) have to keep plugging the losses - then surely they’re going to run out of money at some point?

Even if Clem keeps transferring the debt to himself as a loan - he’s only likely to get that back by selling the club, right?


Obviously if the club is operating at a self inflicted loss due to fingers in the till: that’s a different story altogether


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 8, 2023, 18:31:24
And that is the challenge - what is our real trading position?

The only Accounts we have showed a small profit in 21/22

The CEO stated we were spending 8M+ a year, which is a big jump from those 21/22 accounts - on what? is the question.

Clem has injected money to pay off existing debt, not trading losses, until at least 2022.

We now know some money came from other sources, with the Debenture repayment.  At the time it happened, Clem claimed he paid it all, so the next big question (for someone doing due diligence) would be to confirm the source of other injections of money into the business to pay those external debts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, December 8, 2023, 18:40:12
I reckon it's a case of wanting to get involved in the redevelopment of the ground & keeping the club ticking over (just above life support?) in the meantime.

Does the CG as it stands add a great deal to the value of the club as it stands, another million or so maybe based on "purchase" price.

A fully redeveloped ground churning out income is a much more viable proposition.

Means & wherewithal to get there is the issue though which could be why we are seemingly floundering at the moment.

A logical path would be to seek additional investment in a normal business environment?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 8, 2023, 19:43:10
It definitely feels to me - almost like Clem has dropped the nice guy front now the club own part of the ground & like you I’d assume having fingers in the stadium pie was his main target / reason for buying the club

…but how on earth does he finance stadium development?

Which is why I mused if he could sell the club but keep part ownership of the stadium. Then use the money he got from selling the club to redevelop the stadium and make a decent income from that long term…which depending on the split could screw the club.

Not exactly the same situation but similar to when Kassam bought some little football club to basically build a stadium that was his & that he’d continue to own once he’d found a buyer for his little football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 8, 2023, 19:57:39
…but if the club is operating at a legit loss and Clem (and/or whoever is behind Clem) have to keep plugging the losses - then surely they’re going to run out of money at some point?

Even if Clem keeps transferring the debt to himself as a loan - he’s only likely to get that back by selling the club, right?


Obviously if the club is operating at a self inflicted loss due to fingers in the till: that’s a different story altogether

IF the club really is operating at a loss, then they're all still lining their pockets in the process. 100%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 8, 2023, 20:00:19
It definitely feels to me - almost like Clem has dropped the nice guy front now the club own part of the ground & like you I’d assume having fingers in the stadium pie was his main target / reason for buying the club

My brother said he spoke to some that work in the legends lounge around the time he came in and I was gushing about how amazing it is to have a town fan on the board, etc. and the feedback was basically he's nice to you if he thinks you're useful to him and rude as fuck if not. Definitely been a front.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, December 8, 2023, 20:25:20
Sorry to say this was plain to see from day one.
If a deal is to good to be true..... it normally is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 8, 2023, 20:25:40

Not exactly the same situation but similar to when Kassam bought some little football club to basically build a stadium that was his & that he’d continue to own once he’d found a buyer for his little football club.

They have one more yearleft  on their lease at the Kassam, then will move to a new stadium and then he can sell the land for housing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 8, 2023, 20:26:30
My brother said he spoke to some that work in the legends lounge around the time he came in and I was gushing about how amazing it is to have a town fan on the board, etc. and the feedback was basically he's nice to you if he thinks you're useful to him and rude as fuck if not. Definitely been a front.

Typical narcissistic behaviour


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 20:28:48
They have one more yearleft  on their lease at the Kassam, then will move to a new stadium and then he can sell the land for housing.
Just as he did with the Manor Ground. Can’t remember if was turned into housing or whether the John Radcliffe expanded into it. Built a cheapo stadium with 3 sides, charged £800,000 rent. Now rinse and repeat.

Clever fucker that Kassam.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 8, 2023, 20:31:08
Just as he did with the Manor Ground. Can’t remember if was turned into housing or whether the John Radcliffe expanded into it. Built a cheapo stadium with 3 sides, charged £800,000 rent. Now rinse and repeat.

Clever fucker that Kassam.

Yeah its a private hospital now.

As you say, very clever businessman


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, December 8, 2023, 22:04:16
I see we've withdrawn from the Wilts Premier Shield.

Presumably not enough depth to put a team out and/or budget to fulfil the fixtures.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 8, 2023, 22:05:13
I see we've withdrawn from the Wilts Premier Shield.

Presumably not enough depth to put a team out and/or budget to fulfil the fixtures.



I thought you had to play county cup? Even just stick the youth team out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 8, 2023, 22:23:17
I believe Westbury haven't bothered either this season.

Shame as I quite enjoy these games but iTown have a small senior squad and youths in a cup run then it's probably for the best.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 8, 2023, 22:23:41
I see we've withdrawn from the Wilts Premier Shield.

Presumably not enough depth to put a team out and/or budget to fulfil the fixtures.



Aren't we taking cup competitions seriously this season? I thought that was the plan...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 8, 2023, 22:24:55
Aren't we taking cup competitions seriously this season? I thought that was the plan...

Like the FA Cup?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 8, 2023, 22:30:28
Aren't we taking cup competitions seriously this season? I thought that was the plan...

Double or nothing in 24/25...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 09:29:54
Ongoing fixture congestion cited as the reason.


Must be the three cup comps and league games in hand being prioritised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 09:56:49
soapy tit wank what a shite excuse


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 10:04:50
on one hand it's only the WPS.

on the other it's a shame for Genesini


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 10:11:06
I realise it's a symptom of a wider malaise etc. etc. and so on, but there are people on FB and Twitter who appear to be genuinely exercised about the Wiltshire Premier Shield.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 10:16:10
I realise it's a symptom of a wider malaise etc. etc. and so on, but there are people on FB and Twitter who appear to be genuinely exercised about the Wiltshire Premier Shield.

I think because, like so many things, the comms have been utter guff.

Never first with the news and the excuse is risible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 10:40:58
Well I won £3.20 on the euro millions last night. Willing to chuck it in to the kitty if anyone else struck big.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 17:02:17
Just seen this quote from Jenkins who is buying Newport, and couldn't agree more but it is something we are lacking

I spent nearly 20 years doing what I did in football and every football club needs leadership and direction," Jenkins said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 17:28:30
Clem can fuck off as far as I am concerned

Week after week coming up against superior squads in the bottom division is terrible

Fund the squad or fuck off - simple as


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 17:31:20
Fuck off Clem and take all of the money taking chancers with you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 17:53:44
Having sat back and watched the last few weeks of this ever changing soap opera, I’m looking forward to Clem facing the cameras and the guests pre match in the various lounges.

There has already been ‘fisty cuffs’ in the Corporate lounges requiring Steward intervention between season ticket holders. So Clem can expect a warm welcome if he puts his head in there on Boxing Day.

People have asked me if I’m prepared to invest family time, reputation and money in the club.

Clearly, under the existing shambles we currently see there is little to no chance of this happening. I don’t want to be associated in any way with the shadowy characters we regularly see on match days in our Boardroom.

Quite honestly, I have other sporting interests to occupy my time. I don’t need my legal or financial teams looking over my every move in case someone or something comes crawling from under the floor boards.

Each match takes approximately 90 minutes of my time each way from my home in Bath. I cannot enjoy a few drinks because of the risks involved.

I am sick and tired of reading the lies, alleged covers ups, and shady deals that have become the norm at the club.

On the other hand, I could enjoy my time with friends at The Rec, comfortable in the knowledge that I am supporting a superbly run professional sports club with excellent local training facilities, superb back office teams running everything from media interaction with the fans to player management in all of its various forms.

I can actually walk to Bath Rugby from home, so no travelling, I can support a respectable operation knowing that they are going places.

Also vitally important, is the respect the club has for its supporters. It doesn’t take the piss out of them on a weekly basis.

So for the foreseeable future I will be keeping my powder dry and watching how things progress over the coming weeks, confident that nothing good or positive will happen over January.

Let’s face it ladies and gentlemen, what would you do? Professional operation or Swindon Town.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:08:02
Having sat back and watched the last few weeks of this ever changing soap opera, I’m looking forward to Clem facing the cameras and the guests pre match in the various lounges.

There has already been ‘fisty cuffs’ in the Corporate lounges requiring Steward intervention between season ticket holders. So Clem can expect a warm welcome if he puts his head in there on Boxing Day.

People have asked me if I’m prepared to invest family time, reputation and money in the club.

Clearly, under the existing shambles we currently see there is little to no chance of this happening. I don’t want to be associated in any way with the shadowy characters we regularly see on match days in our Boardroom.

Quite honestly, I have other sporting interests to occupy my time. I don’t need my legal or financial teams looking over my every move in case someone or something comes crawling from under the floor boards.

Each match takes approximately 90 minutes of my time each way from my home in Bath. I cannot enjoy a few drinks because of the risks involved.

I am sick and tired of reading the lies, alleged covers ups, and shady deals that have become the norm at the club.

On the other hand, I could enjoy my time with friends at The Rec, comfortable in the knowledge that I am supporting a superbly run professional sports club with excellent local training facilities, superb back office teams running everything from media interaction with the fans to player management in all of its various forms.

I can actually walk to Bath Rugby from home, so no travelling, I can support a respectable operation knowing that they are going places.

Also vitally important, is the respect the club has for its supporters. It doesn’t take the piss out of them on a weekly basis.

So for the foreseeable future I will be keeping my powder dry and watching how things progress over the coming weeks, confident that nothing good or positive will happen over January.

Let’s face it ladies and gentlemen, what would you do? Professional operation or Swindon Town.


All very well if you like rugby!🙂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:11:56
Having sat back and watched the last few weeks of this ever changing soap opera, I’m looking forward to Clem facing the cameras and the guests pre match in the various lounges.

There has already been ‘fisty cuffs’ in the Corporate lounges requiring Steward intervention between season ticket holders. So Clem can expect a warm welcome if he puts his head in there on Boxing Day.

People have asked me if I’m prepared to invest family time, reputation and money in the club.

Clearly, under the existing shambles we currently see there is little to no chance of this happening. I don’t want to be associated in any way with the shadowy characters we regularly see on match days in our Boardroom.

Quite honestly, I have other sporting interests to occupy my time. I don’t need my legal or financial teams looking over my every move in case someone or something comes crawling from under the floor boards.

Each match takes approximately 90 minutes of my time each way from my home in Bath. I cannot enjoy a few drinks because of the risks involved.

I am sick and tired of reading the lies, alleged covers ups, and shady deals that have become the norm at the club.

On the other hand, I could enjoy my time with friends at The Rec, comfortable in the knowledge that I am supporting a superbly run professional sports club with excellent local training facilities, superb back office teams running everything from media interaction with the fans to player management in all of its various forms.

I can actually walk to Bath Rugby from home, so no travelling, I can support a respectable operation knowing that they are going places.

Also vitally important, is the respect the club has for its supporters. It doesn’t take the piss out of them on a weekly basis.

So for the foreseeable future I will be keeping my powder dry and watching how things progress over the coming weeks, confident that nothing good or positive will happen over January.

Let’s face it ladies and gentlemen, what would you do? Professional operation or Swindon Town.



Nothing will change until this happens though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:19:23
Good post bathford. I make a similar journey and until recently I would have said stick with The Town but not anymore. I am sick of all the shenanigans and  the corruption of what used to be enjoyable win or lose. Going to the County Ground takes up time and money as I have to fork out for carers to look after my wife and I don't know that I can justify the expense anymore. The midweek insult hasn't helped.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:37:53
The midweek insult hasn't helped.

I think this is going to be the turning point for many that are wavering.

Unless the club do something positive in the transfer window, which lets be honest seems very unlikely


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:39:23
Having sat back and watched the last few weeks of this ever changing soap opera, I’m looking forward to Clem facing the cameras and the guests pre match in the various lounges.

There has already been ‘fisty cuffs’ in the Corporate lounges requiring Steward intervention between season ticket holders. So Clem can expect a warm welcome if he puts his head in there on Boxing Day.

People have asked me if I’m prepared to invest family time, reputation and money in the club.

Clearly, under the existing shambles we currently see there is little to no chance of this happening. I don’t want to be associated in any way with the shadowy characters we regularly see on match days in our Boardroom.

Quite honestly, I have other sporting interests to occupy my time. I don’t need my legal or financial teams looking over my every move in case someone or something comes crawling from under the floor boards.

Each match takes approximately 90 minutes of my time each way from my home in Bath. I cannot enjoy a few drinks because of the risks involved.

I am sick and tired of reading the lies, alleged covers ups, and shady deals that have become the norm at the club.

On the other hand, I could enjoy my time with friends at The Rec, comfortable in the knowledge that I am supporting a superbly run professional sports club with excellent local training facilities, superb back office teams running everything from media interaction with the fans to player management in all of its various forms.

I can actually walk to Bath Rugby from home, so no travelling, I can support a respectable operation knowing that they are going places.

Also vitally important, is the respect the club has for its supporters. It doesn’t take the piss out of them on a weekly basis.

So for the foreseeable future I will be keeping my powder dry and watching how things progress over the coming weeks, confident that nothing good or positive will happen over January.

Let’s face it ladies and gentlemen, what would you do? Professional operation or Swindon Town.






The fact you have the means to get involved and can't is absolutely heartbreaking, but I'm with you. If I won the £201m on the euromillions last night I'd not get involved with this shower.

Needs to be a complete and total clean break. Every single one of them fucking off and when they've fucked off, fucking even further off.


Just a question of how we can clear the board of all the rot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:43:32
I think we need to settle on a “Clem Out” colour to wear for Wrexham.

Something garish.

It’ll be all over their poxy documentary which might dent Clem’s ego if nothing else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:53:46

Unless the club do something positive in the transfer window

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:54:59
I think we need to settle on a “Clem Out” colour to wear for Wrexham.

Something garish.

It’ll be all over their poxy documentary which might dent Clem’s ego if nothing else.

Need to call for the cunts head and be prepared to deal with the wrath of the loyalists wondering what the problem is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 18:59:10
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 19:00:47
Let’s get something clear. If and I know it is a big if, Clem can supply the necessary funds to carry out a full revamp of the club from the Back Office to the on field management, including the funds promised for 1st team recruitment, then good luck to him and I’m then prepared to at least talk to him if he wants to.

All I’m looking for, alongside the rest of you is a stable, legally run club committed to development and reinvestment. That’s what we were promised.

If Clem now finds he is unable to achieve this alone, fine. Man up and ask for help from respected investors. Start again with investors with no murky past or hidden agenda.

That’s what you promised.

I suppose Clem, that all I’m asking for is honesty. Can you find the club legally or not?
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 19:01:22
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 19:42:16
Remember the self-congratulatory articles in the Aussie press about the friendly plumber saving the English football club. Perhaps the Aussie press need an update on his progress.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 21:11:56
I'm thinking that I will do away games only next season after 28 years of S T freeloading bastard fun.. Won't be many sadly because of the cost and needing to be near home. Let's hope southern teams get relegated from Div 3 and ditto promoted from The conference. That's assuming we don't drop like a stone post xmas. The S T saving will certainly fund a few day trips. I will have to give up my freeloader status though, which will be a big loss.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 22:23:19
The one anti-Clem chant by us today struggled to get going (in a fairly vocal area) - I do detect he retains quite a bit of support ‘on the ground’..

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next 2/3 home matches if results are mixed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 23:26:56
Personally i don't get the whole I won't be renewing ST next year, I still want to see my team play and support them.  While the 'free games' comments was wrong and stupid, some people do like to get carried away with it.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 23:30:33
Personally i don't get the whole I won't be renewing ST next year, I still want to see my team play and support them.  While the 'free games' comments was wrong and stupid, some people do like to get carried away with it.



Like clockwork. Here he is. Top tier troll.

“Free loading bastards we know what we are” 🎶


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 23:32:56
Like clockwork. Here he is. Top tier troll.

“Free loading bastards we know what we are” 🎶

I forgot, I'm not allowed to give my view, it's not a forum for people to express views.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 23:49:59
Personally i don't get the whole I won't be renewing ST next year, I still want to see my team play and support them.  While the 'free games' comments was wrong and stupid, some people do like to get carried away with it.



I think it is going to depend on the uplift. £50 increase is potentially acceptable, anything above that I personally would draw the line. I could afford it, but over the last few years I have enjoyed my weekends with the family more than watching Town. Despite having a ST this year I reckon I have missed more than I have been to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 23:52:19
I think it is going to depend on the uplift. £50 increase is potentially acceptable, anything above that I personally would draw the line. I could afford it, but over the last few years I have enjoyed my weekends with the family more than watching Town. Despite having a ST this year I reckon I have missed more than I have been to.

I fully understand that and that makes complete sense, if prices go up a lot then most people will consider is it worth it.  That's not what my comment was based on though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 00:11:21
Personally i don't get the whole I won't be renewing ST next year, I still want to see my team play and support them.  While the 'free games' comments was wrong and stupid, some people do like to get carried away with it.
I agree, drama is more fun and can lead to people saying hyperbolic things. But there has to be a point where people are so unhappy with the situation at the club (as they see it), that they refuse to co-sign the mess we're in by continuing to fund it. Maybe some are genuinely at that point?

I don't have an ST but if I did I probably wouldn't be renewing, regardless of any increase in cost


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 00:27:12
I agree, drama is more fun and can lead to people saying hyperbolic things. But there has to be a point where people are so unhappy with the situation at the club (as they see it), that they refuse to co-sign the mess we're in by continuing to fund it. Maybe some are genuinely at that point?

I don't have an ST but if I did I probably wouldn't be renewing, regardless of any increase in cost

Yeah thats a very fair statement, people do seem to revel in the drama.  Personally, while I'm very disappointed with the size of the squad, the shares issue and the general poor communication from STFC (free games etc) - I enjoy going to football (yes I would enjoy it more if the above was resolved).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 00:30:48
Personally i don't get the whole I won't be renewing ST next year, I still want to see my team play and support them.  While the 'free games' comments was wrong and stupid, some people do like to get carried away with it.


What’s the incentive to renew exactly? It’s becoming quite clear the money we spend isn’t spent on the team. That statement from Hall that was then repeated in the advisory board minutes was way beyond wrong and stupid, it clearly showed the contempt they have towards the support. They don’t deserve our money!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 00:35:51
What’s the incentive to renew exactly? It’s becoming quite clear the money we spend isn’t spent on the team. That statement from Hall that was then repeated in the advisory board minutes was way beyond wrong and stupid, it clearly showed the contempt they have towards the support. They don’t deserve our money!

I enjoy going to games, as I've said above I'm sure it would be better if all the issues were resolved. It's not very clear where the money is being spent, I agree but at the moment I can't see any alternatives apart from a rumoured sale, which might be even worse - we just don't know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 00:43:21
I don't think any of these things are new this season; shit on field, shit off field and shit direction, but i do think we're in an unusual position where we're teetering on the edge of ticking into shit for all three:
on field - The squad is too small and has been compiled poorly.
Off field - we've got people learning football (and the concept of season tickets) and making plenty of mistakes
Direction - ...we're aiming to be sustainable and erm go up hopefully?

To be truthful I am struggling to think of a positive that happened under Clem's stewardship that I could attribute to him beyond bringing STWFC into the fold.
I'm not saying it was better under Power...but i think the sequence of seemingly bad actors has taken it's toll and the club need a completely different direction.

What that is or how it happens...i dunno, but i'd like to think something will change and if the fans who are sick of this can force the hand by withholding their freeloading season ticket money or not watching ifollow, it's basically the only card we can play


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 00:44:27
I enjoy going to games, as I've said above I'm sure it would be better if all the issues were resolved. It's not very clear where the money is being spent, I agree but at the moment I can't see any alternatives apart from a rumoured sale, which might be even worse - we just don't know.
Go to away games only, thats’s what I’m going to do if nothing changes next season.

This is just a continuation of the Power era so I can’t really see how it could get much worst apart from admin or the club folding which is starting to feel a genuine possibility with this lot anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 01:26:47
Tbf we've had shit for a long time now. I want my club to do well and be sustainable. Will never drop it for an armchair club, but pissed off with continual shit. Shame so many in the Town do follow big clubs like sheep, with their support we'd probably be on a par with other clubs with similar population.  If you look at the likes of Norwich and Ipswich with their catchment areas, we can only dream. Swindon has more people than either of those too. Too many plastics here though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:09:40
The success that many supporters crave isn't going to happen unless you have someone who can chuck loads of money in each season . No one who is able to do so wants to touch us with a barge pole .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:18:41
The Hall interview certainly did it’s job … it was a chance to get to know him and we certainly got to know him no messing around. The man lacks self awareness,it’s like a job interview do you go in slagging everyone off?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:21:06
The positives under Clem have slowly dwindled to 'he's not Power', but given all the lurkers/hangers on/chancers behind the scenes have remained onboard, that distinction from the previous owner has disappeared as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:31:10
The success that many supporters crave isn't going to happen unless you have someone who can chuck loads of money in each season . No one who is able to do so wants to touch us with a barge pole .
It's not necessarily the success the supporters crave, it's just being well ran and not being insulted that most fans want at this rate  The damage this regime has done is staggering.

Something stabilising like Fitton's takeover would go a long way right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:32:39
The positives under Clem have slowly dwindled to 'he's not Power', but given all the lurkers/hangers on/chancers behind the scenes have remained onboard, that distinction from the previous owner has disappeared as well.

Power at least ran a competent footballing operation for several years until the Sheridactyl came in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:33:34
The re-emergence of the Andrew Black thread the other day reminded me of the David Byrne LSPod episode where he said Jeremy Wray was desperate to buy the club again and had the backers to do so. Wonder if he's still interested these many years on or whether he's dedicating his time to racing again.

Not saying this is something I would want either given how it all panned out, but just remembered that nugget from that episode.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 08:41:55
Power at least ran a competent footballing operation for several years until the Sheridactyl came in.

And hired people who had a clue. It's a rudderless, blind leading the blind with no clue or leadership. What's scary is I think Clem actually believes his own bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 09:50:52
Morfuni probably does think he knows what he is doing... there lays the problem.... he does not need to answer to anyone except himself.
What a mess this club is currently in.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:19:39
Morning everyone.

Apologies about the rant yesterday.

The point I was trying to make was the clear difference between a professionally run organisation like Bath Rugby offers everything for me within walking distance from home with great food and drink options en route.

Swindon unfortunately offers (at present) the opposite.

There really is no incentive to invest.

Legal team say NO

Financial team say NO

Sorry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:32:58
Morning everyone.

Apologies about the rant yesterday.

The point I was trying to make was the clear difference between a professionally run organisation like Bath Rugby offers everything for me within walking distance from home with great food and drink options en route.

Swindon unfortunately offers (at present) the opposite.

There really is no incentive to invest.

Legal team say NO

Financial team say NO

Sorry.

Sound reasoning to be fair, if I had the money then STFC is the last place I’d be putting it currently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:37:12
Morning everyone.

Apologies about the rant yesterday.

The point I was trying to make was the clear difference between a professionally run organisation like Bath Rugby offers everything for me within walking distance from home with great food and drink options en route.

Swindon unfortunately offers (at present) the opposite.

There really is no incentive to invest.

Legal team say NO

Financial team say NO

Sorry.

Don’t apologise, emotions running high yesterday and no signs of stopping now.
I’ve honestly had enough, considering lots of things at present.

If I was fortunate to have money to invest I wouldn’t go anywhere near this lot.
Would buy the club for sure but just couldn’t justify a penny to them. That is where my thoughts are right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:47:26
Morning everyone.

Apologies about the rant yesterday.

The point I was trying to make was the clear difference between a professionally run organisation like Bath Rugby offers everything for me within walking distance from home with great food and drink options en route.

Swindon unfortunately offers (at present) the opposite.

There really is no incentive to invest.

Legal team say NO

Financial team say NO

Sorry.

No need to apologise. I personally don’t have the means to invest a substantial amount into the club let alone finance a takeover but I know someone that I do few little odd jobs for over the last few years who does have the means and has even spoken to me about it. Like you though his thoughts are the same, what he would like to do and what his advisers recommend are worlds apart. How can you even begin to deal with STFC when we can’t even be sure who owns the club? Is it Clem really or is he just a face? Standing? Power? Can’t see anyone wanting to takeover the club while so many shady figures in the background who no doubt will want their slice of a payout. Question, if Power really has no involvement at STFC anymore then why hasn’t he rocked up elsewhere as his history shows? The fact that he just seems to have vanished off the face of the earth doesn’t sit well with me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:57:19
The re-emergence of the Andrew Black thread the other day reminded me of the David Byrne LSPod episode where he said Jeremy Wray was desperate to buy the club again and had the backers to do so. Wonder if he's still interested these many years on or whether he's dedicating his time to racing again.

Not saying this is something I would want either given how it all panned out, but just remembered that nugget from that episode.

That would be dreamy. I suspect he would not, for the simple reason that you know you’re negotiating with aggressive, underhand, dishonest amateurs. But, if you are reading Jeremy, you’d be welcomed with open arms…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:58:49
Investing- big fat no.

Having enough to take over and run the club properly - big fat yes.

Having some financial clout and on the inside could initiate fundamental change or, at least, mind set.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:02:54
The success that many supporters crave isn't going to happen unless you have someone who can chuck loads of money in each season . No one who is able to do so wants to touch us with a barge pole .
I'd probably accept mediocrity with Swindon if we were actually sensibly ran.
Nothing that is happening at the club at the moment suggests they know what's happening this week, let alone planning for 3 years down the line.
The gaping disparity between the initial vision and the execution is jarring


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:05:25
We are just in a very sad situation where we cannot continue as we are but there are no current options on the table, and if there were then would Clem and co accept any bid without asking for their cut plus a massive interest hoik up on top of that.

We are not an attractive prospect for anyone to come in and buy totally or invest in. Too many chiefs and not enough injuns as they say. Everybody that has put money in seems to want double or more the amount they have put in or an ongoing cut of profits going forwards, thats going by the rumours doing the rounds currently.

Too many lies already by the current incumbent previously to believe anything that comes from his mouth any more, sorry Clem but you have burnt your bridges with me and many other fans and the Hall interview just added to my misstrust and dislike of them as a group.

I cut Clem a lot of slack and backed him as much as I could when he took over, but in recent months thats been totally eroded away and now I just dont trust anything he or his team say, no better than Power or Diamandis IMO.

If Clem came out and said "I am sorry I cannot afford to fund the club solely but need new investors" then I would have been happy with that, running a club is an expensive investment, but to get in other shareholders without telling the fans or (allegedly) the EFL too then thats not on, open and honest? is it fuck.

Often I hear things from the staff at the club that we have no money for staffing and supplies and I have said well its probably just a cashflow thing, but these issues seem to be dragging on and on constantly and snowballing, you cannot run a business that way and Rob Angus leaving cemented those doubts in my mind.

Come on Clem, shit or get off the pot now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:06:02
I'd probably accept mediocrity with Swindon if we were actually sensibly ran.
Nothing that is happening at the club at the moment suggests they know what's happening this week, let alone planning for 3 years down the line.
The gaping disparity between the initial vision and the execution is jarring

100%

Nobody is demanding much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:32:08
That said...i do wonder if all clubs have this level of drama but we don't hear about it (mainly because we're focussing on our own)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:35:14
That said...i do wonder if all clubs have this level of drama but we don't hear about it (mainly because we're focussing on our own)

To be fair there are quite a vocal bunch that criticise the owners/management at Peterborough, who from an outside view have done a pretty decent job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:38:05
I'd probably accept mediocrity with Swindon if we were actually sensibly ran.
Nothing that is happening at the club at the moment suggests they know what's happening this week, let alone planning for 3 years down the line.
The gaping disparity between the initial vision and the execution is jarring
Now, you say that and atm probably mean it. But a few seasons of mediocrity isn’t going to keep the juices flowing. Fans want some reward, some comeback on the pitch. If there is no individual considering buying the club and cleaning it out from top to bottom surely there could be some amalgamation of like minded people in cahoots with the Trust that could do a better job than these charlatans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:52:16
Quote from: STFC_Manc
Personally i don't get the whole I won't be renewing ST next year, I still want to see my team play and support them.  While the 'free games' comments was wrong and stupid, some people do like to get carried away with it.

Can you understand why people feel a bit 'mugged off' agree being fed shit by the club while being squeezed.

You may not agree with their assessment, but if you felt this regime was Lee Power MKii would you invest?

personally, I'll probably renew assuming they don't totally stiff ticket prices to the point only 3-4 games are "free".

But I don't blame people for not. Reap what you sow


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 11:52:56
I used to go to Twickenham quite a bit until it became a totally soulless rinse/cathedral of drinking and so have been to Rosslyn Park Rugby Club instead and I think that it has a lot of things going for it that should be totally attainable.

Really well run
Family friendly atmosphere
Sensible ticket prices
Good, well priced food and drink
Competitive but zero chance of ever reaching the Premiership and realistic about that
Small club shop always well stocked
Answer the phones
You feel as if your support is valued

They only get crowds of a few hundred but it is just a fun day out with a decent rugby team to cheer on and no sense that your money is going to end up being washed through a luxury property development in Montenegro to the benefit of career criminals, or any other similar scheme!

Many many non league clubs are “happier” and better run than ours. That interview with the CEO should make clear the disdain with which the ownership view us.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mozalini on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 12:17:34
I live on the other side of Bath in Midsomer Norton so it is also a lot easier and cheaper for me to travel to Bath rather than Swindon.  I keep doing it because I love the club and I've had a season ticket for just about every year since Macari.  However the constant misery and lies is beginning to take it's toll and if there is a big hike in season ticket prices then it might just tip the balance.

I take exception to Hall's comments about free games - travelling on the train to mid-week matches from the Bath area is just too much hassle when you have to connect to a bus to get home too.  Of the fabled 9 free matches I doubt if I actually see any of them because weekend matches are generally all that I can make.  But I still buy a season ticket and see it as a subscription rather than a ticket. 

I won't be joining Bathford at The Rec because I just can't stand egg chasing, but I am definitely considering a season ticket at Bath City FC instead if this bullshit keeps carrying on at STFC.  Decent pubs near Twerton Park, 2 hours less travelling on matchdays, no train fares or strikes, and a club that seems to care about it's supporters.

One last thing that really annoys me.  If I decide to not renew my season ticket I don't even expect the club to make contact via e-mail to ask me why that might be.  What has led a season ticket holder since 1986 to contemplate not going anymore and what can they do differently?  That's probably what will upset me most - that if I decide not to renew they won't respect me enough to try to win me back.  What type of successful business treats its customers in this way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 12:33:30
Your last comment is the answer to your question. We aren’t a successful business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 12:47:04
That said...i do wonder if all clubs have this level of drama but we don't hear about it (mainly because we're focussing on our own)

I’d say us Oldham and Bradford seem to be on a relative par for poorly ran. All former premier league sides who have been languishing in lower league 1 - league 2 for years. All 3 of us don’t seem to have any upward momentum coming. Though will be very interesting to see if Oldham do go up whether they overtake us in the next few years as many other former football league Conference winners have.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 12:47:38
I predict our lowest gate of the season on Saturday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 12:56:03
I’m sure he wants to be above the politics but it would send a hell of a message if Don said he didn’t want to represent this regime in any way, as ambassador or on the AB.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:17:37
I forgot, I'm not allowed to give my view, it's not a forum for people to express views.

You're free to give your view mate, others are also free to think its a laughably shit view as well given everything going on.

People aren't being hyperbolic. The situation is fucking dire and will not improve until these cunts fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:17:56
Go to away games only, thats’s what I’m going to do if nothing changes next season.

This is just a continuation of the Power era so I can’t really see how it could get much worst apart from admin or the club folding which is starting to feel a genuine possibility with this lot anyway.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:20:30
I wonder if Clem stayed up or got up early to watch that shit yesterday🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:20:45
The success that many supporters crave isn't going to happen unless you have someone who can chuck loads of money in each season . No one who is able to do so wants to touch us with a barge pole .

Bollocks.

This is the sort of post that i fucking loathe.

Nobody is asking for us to be Wrexham, we're asking for our money that we put in to the club not to be used on Zav Austins laundering business, Adam Harts sniff business or whatever other ventures the crooks surrounding the club have going these days.

We just want what we put in and gaslighting people in to thinking they're being unreasonable and want a billionaire backer is fucking tiresome. Not only that, the ship has long sailed for most people to even fall for it now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:23:06
I predict our lowest gate of the season on Saturday.
We have to limbo in?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:29:54
Bollocks.

This is the sort of post that i fucking loathe.

Nobody is asking for us to be Wrexham, we're asking for our money that we put in to the club not to be used on Zav Austins laundering business, Adam Harts sniff business or whatever other ventures the crooks surrounding the club have going these days.

We just want what we put in and gaslighting people in to thinking they're being unreasonable and want a billionaire backer is fucking tiresome. Not only that, the ship has long sailed for most people to even fall for it now.

I totally agree lots of money doesn’t solve everything. Take Stevenage two years ago almost got relegated to the national league until Evans took charge. In his first full season he gets them promoted from league 2 now joint second in league. Man management, decent coaches and motivational skills are needed as much as a decent squad.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:32:46
100%

Nobody is demanding much.

Its the same defeatist bollocks peddled whenever anyone complains.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:37:32
Your last comment is the answer to your question. We aren’t a successful business.

We are....just not for what the supporters want. We're successful for the real freeloaders.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:41:11
Bollocks.

This is the sort of post that i fucking loathe.

Nobody is asking for us to be Wrexham, we're asking for our money that we put in to the club not to be used on Zav Austins laundering business, Adam Harts sniff business or whatever other ventures the crooks surrounding the club have going these days.

We just want what we put in and gaslighting people in to thinking they're being unreasonable and want a billionaire backer is fucking tiresome. Not only that, the ship has long sailed for most people to even fall for it now.

I can see both sides to this. our fans demand success at league 2 level. our history shows we shouldnt be here for long.

i dont know if i would accept sustainability for being permanently mediocre- i want a club to support but i also want those successful periods and Im not too sure they work together.

i also don't want to accept cheap and lightweight squads that the turnover and crowds dont reflect. we deserve more than we are getting.

if we had shite crowds and clem said this is all we can afford then i can see some more understanding but again i dont think i would be happy, id probably be saying move on and let someone else with money try.

we all know that the clubs needs all year round income, it has needed all year round income for the last 20 years. we need a stadium with assets and we need owners that are going to get us there. if the club produces more money then it is less money they have to put in to bridge the gaps every season.

i feel let down and robbed by clem. he got back the trust after power left and I got a season ticket after many years without because i felt the money would stay with the club and we would see the bank accounts to show that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 13:49:14
We have to limbo in?

Limbo and Swindon go hand in hand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 14:05:01
I can see both sides to this. our fans demand success at league 2 level. our history shows we shouldnt be here for long.

i dont know if i would accept sustainability for being permanently mediocre- i want a club to support but i also want those successful periods and Im not too sure they work together.

i also don't want to accept cheap and lightweight squads that the turnover and crowds dont reflect. we deserve more than we are getting.

if we had shite crowds and clem said this is all we can afford then i can see some more understanding but again i dont think i would be happy, id probably be saying move on and let someone else with money try.

we all know that the clubs needs all year round income, it has needed all year round income for the last 20 years. we need a stadium with assets and we need owners that are going to get us there. if the club produces more money then it is less money they have to put in to bridge the gaps every season.

i feel let down and robbed by clem. he got back the trust after power left and I got a season ticket after many years without because i felt the money would stay with the club and we would see the bank accounts to show that.

If we're not getting robbed blind then we should have the resources for league two success. The only club without a rich owner that should have a budget as high as us is  Bradford if we're truly getting out what we're putting in.

Hopefully we're past the point of some playing devils advocate on what Accrington Stanleys sponsors are like now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 14:26:12
The problem is a number of teams do have wealthy owners pumping in a shed load of cash, so can outspend us.

The interesting comparison is Exeter, who are fan owned, and get crowds smaller than us. There average last season was just under 7,000, whereas ours was 9,000. That equates to about 700k a season which we could spend over & above them assuming that costs are roughly similar.

That should be enough to be a mid table league 1 team, which I think most of us would take right now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 14:29:02
The problem is a number of teams do have wealthy owners pumping in a shed load of cash, so can outspend us.

The interesting comparison is Exeter, who are fan owned, and get crowds smaller than us. There average last season was just under 7,000, whereas ours was 9,000. That equates to about 700k a season which we could spend over & above them assuming that costs are roughly similar.

That should be enough to be a mid table league 1 team, which I think most of us would take right now

Its definitely a problem but us competing, but its been a useful crutch and excuse to allow the club to confuse fans as to why we can't compete and muddy the waters as to what we're actually asking for. The club moan about inflated wages and rich owners, but we're nowhere near getting our moneys worth outside of that problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 15:38:35
I see it’s being reported that Dennis Bergkamp and consortium are looking to buy a L1 club……. Maybe just maybe. Can only hope it stretches to L2!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 15:58:52
I have read back several pages of posts and seems the confusion of what is currently happening is simple..
We are upset that STFC is being taken advantage of by less than honest and untrustworthy business people who have said one thing and done another.
The club onfield is performing as expected at the start of the season. Poor with a few better than average results.
2.5 thousand more paying supporters each home game which is above possible expectations and giving rise for more financial gains for the owner and shareholders to divide..
Unexpected wind fall for the owner is the purchase of the ground especially without any need for raising any capital. Paid by the Eady trust apparently.
We as supporters are rightly disappointed with the season so far because we were told that the club is ours again.
That is where we have been misled.
The club is owned and operated by others.
We are simply paying customers who take no responsibility in the running of the club and either pay or move away if you don't like it.
Sad but true.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 16:10:51
Morfuni saw an opportunity for a UK business and has taken it.
For reasons it has probably been performing better than his expectations financially wise and will keep milking it until we the paying supporters have had enough.
Then the club will be carved up or sold off.
Hope i am wrong but don't think so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:17:39
Morfuni saw an opportunity for a UK business and has taken it.
For reasons it has probably been performing better than his expectations financially wise and will keep milking it until we the paying supporters have had enough.
Then the club will be carved up or sold off.
Hope i am wrong but don't think so.


Taking Chas's earlier tweet and no walking back by the club by Hall being a total arse, together, along with the "Errol" Flynn contract extension (To stop him picking up another gig with a bigger budget at Ebbsfleet), it appears that the club may in the process of being sold.  Every time Genesini plays, does 10 bob goes to Bournemouth?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:20:30
Taking Chas's earlier tweet and no walking back by the club by Hall being a total arse, together, along with the "Errol" Flynn contract extension (To stop him picking up another gig with a bigger budget at Ebbsfleet), it appears that the club may in the process of being sold.  Every time Genesini plays, does 10 bob goes to Bournemouth?

What tweet is that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:28:53
What tweet is that?


Don't have a link, have dumped my (Twitter) X account, but I recall words to the effect of stick with us, good times are around the corner.  I think it was mentioned with another similar Tweet in last Monday's "On the Sofa" during which it was specifically stated by the town CEO that the club was not for sale.  If Taylor Swift's people informed Clem that she had 15 million quid spare to piss off Ryan Reynolds, the club would be sold quicker than you could say "Automatic Promotion".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:31:22

Don't have a link, have dumped my (Twitter) X account, but I recall words to the effect of stick with us, good times are around the corner.  I think it was mentioned with another similar Tweet in last Monday's "On the Sofa" during which it was specifically stated by the town CEO that the club was not for sale.  If Taylor Swift's people informed Clem that she had 15 million quid spare to piss off Ryan Reynolds, the club would be sold quicker than you could say "Automatic Promotion".
Its a shame we don’t hark back to the (not quite as) bad (as now) old days to have a former spy asking Swifty that exact question!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:32:46
You're free to give your view mate, others are also free to think its a laughably shit view as well given everything going on.

People aren't being hyperbolic. The situation is fucking dire and will not improve until these cunts fuck off.

Ha


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:55:15
Morning everyone.

Apologies about the rant yesterday.

The point I was trying to make was the clear difference between a professionally run organisation like Bath Rugby offers everything for me within walking distance from home with great food and drink options en route.

Swindon unfortunately offers (at present) the opposite.

There really is no incentive to invest.

Legal team say NO

Financial team say NO

Sorry.

bathford would you (and your advisors) not entertain a consrotium that got rid of the current owners?
say would you be willing to invets if someone like jay wray was willing to get invovled again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 18:58:10
Ha

Yeah actually you're right. Clems genuine and will turn this around. Nothing to worry about. January will go swimmingly. We'll get the players in we need and make the play offs minimum. Onwards and upwards  :D  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:02:32
Unfortunately, people who like me, see an opportunity through different eyes. Yes, my heart says ignore the experts and sod the consequences.

My head says, do as you have all of your business live and take on board the information from people who have put you in this lucky position.

There are a number of people interested in ‘England FC’. They are American, Korean and Middle Eastern. Unfortunately, we all work to the same story book. I’ve had conversations with people from all three regions and whilst they see the potential, they have all paid out decent money to have the club analysed by sports investment advisors.

On the plan used, we all come up with the same results as previously mentioned.

The bottom line matters.  



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:05:40
How are Swindon any different from the likes of Wrexham?
I'm not talking about current situation, I'm talking about potential.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:06:25
Yeah actually you're right. Clems genuine and will turn this around. Nothing to worry about. January will go swimmingly. We'll get the players in we need and make the play offs minimum. Onwards and upwards  :D  :clap:

You obviously didn't read what I put, I don't expect anything else from you though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:06:52
bathford would you (and your advisors) not entertain a consrotium that got rid of the current owners?
say would you be willing to invets if someone like jay wray was willing to get invovled again

Was wondering this to. Doesn't need to be all on one wealthy persons shoulders. Obviously need to trust the people you're in business with though. A consortium of wealthy fans would be an absolute dream.

The problem is truly getting rid of all the hangers on. Someone said earlier in the thread some are wanting a cut going forward which is simply unacceptable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:08:22
You obviously didn't read what I put, I don't expect anything else from you though.

I did read it. You think people are getting carried away not buying season tickets. I don't and I think they're being reasonable given everything going on. You laughed at that, so I was sarcastic.

Fair enough?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:09:19
Morfuni saw an opportunity for a UK business and has taken it.
For reasons it has probably been performing better than his expectations financially wise and will keep milking it until we the paying supporters have had enough.
Then the club will be carved up or sold off.
Hope i am wrong but don't think so.


Clem had money in Harrow Borough IIRC. Was introduced to Pee Lower by Zav?, I think. Pee Lower spun him a load of shit and he took the bait by investing £1.15m for a % of the club. When that share certificate was not forth coming, well we are where we are as a consequence aided by covid and Pee Lowers greed. Ask your self this. Certainly at our fan bases level of financial clout £1.15m is a shit load of money. So why would you throw that at a club and to an individual you know fuck all about?

Look at it this way. Clem is like Charlie Bucket. He has the golden ticket, he just has to negotiate the obstacles to get his hands on not only the chocolate factory but the money that it could make him. He’s nearly there isn’t he. He either has a buyer lined up and due diligence is being done or he’s working out how he can get his hands on someone else’s money to develop SN1 then flog it. He clearly doesn’t have the money and even if he did you don’t use your money, nah, you use someone else’s.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:10:13
How are Swindon any different from the likes of Wrexham?
I'm not talking about current situation, I'm talking about potential.
Yeah, every club up for sale comes with a certain amount of baggage - maybe a bit more as far as we’re concerned.

Wrexham were up shit creek with low crowds and living off the memory of beating Arsenal in the FA Cup. Even York City have been taken over by a family with some serious mullah. I can’t for the life of me see how, once the baggage has been cast off, we aren’t a fantastic opportunity for someone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:11:20
How are Swindon any different from the likes of Wrexham?
I'm not talking about current situation, I'm talking about potential.

Wrexham probably has a bit more potential just in the sense of being in Wales and a large catchment area (which we also have but probably not as much).

You look at where the likes of Cardiff and Swansea were 10 to 20 years ago and its easy to see why they were chosen.

Why you would chose the likes of Carlisle or some of the other clubs that have secured buy outs over Swindon though is beyond me unless its simply down to the amount required to secure the club and any silly demands the current board and leeches within are making.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:12:39
I did read it. You think people are getting carried away not buying season tickets. I don't and I think they're being reasonable given everything going on. You laughed at that, so I was sarcastic.

Fair enough?

I gave my view, I was laughing at your 'insults'. People express views either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:15:54
Was wondering this to. Doesn't need to be all on one wealthy persons shoulders. Obviously need to trust the people you're in business with though. A consortium of wealthy fans would be an absolute dream.

The problem is truly getting rid of all the hangers on. Someone said earlier in the thread some are wanting a cut going forward which is simply unacceptable.

Jeremy is genuinely a nice guy. He comes across well with the press and I have every confidence in his ability there.

However,  when you look at Andrews time with the club, Jeremy seemed to throw money around without considering the consequences.

This concerns me.

What PdC wanted, he got. It’s not my money was clearly Jeremy’s route to success.

This concerns me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:17:12
I gave my view, I was laughing at your 'insults'. People express views either way.

can you and chalkie just kiss inder the misteltoe or give each other a bj in private messages besauce the sexual tension is showing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:20:27
Jeremy is genuinely a nice guy. He comes across well with the press and I have every confidence in his ability there.

However,  when you look at Andrews time with the club, Jeremy seemed to throw money around without considering the consequences.

This concerns me.

What PdC wanted, he got. It’s not my money was clearly Jeremy’s route to success.

This concerns me.

not sayingg it has to be jay wray specifically just someone like him?
anyway if you had wray on baord you'd have him as the mouthpiece but not any access to any kitty
think he would be hounouranle enough to understsnd that and professional enough to know is role


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:27:18
My hovercraft is full of eels


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:34:34
Look guys, fires are being stocked. However, I pride myself on being fair.
If Clem can rescue this, fair play to him.

If he can’t, we still have to get him to sell.

This will be sorted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:39:57
Its fair concerns bathford and how a lot of people view where things went wrong under Black and co.

I do wonder how Andrew Black managed to take his eye off the ball so much and be so uninvolved that he didn't realise Wray was spending too much for so long though.

He must just be that incredibly rich and busy.

I think as far as leadership goes, having someone with a corporate background who is also a fan like Rob Angus is great (if he is actually allowed to run the club skeletons and all and not be blocked out of certain rooms!) but ideally you would also like to have someone with a bit of a footballing background as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:43:15
Speaking of that era, Nick Watkins LinkedIn says he never left the club.

Some plot twist that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:49:24
Speaking of that era, Nick Watkins LinkedIn says he never left the club.

Some plot twist that.

Am I completely imagining that he was working at a club we played fairly recently? I have a memory of Andrew Hawes mentioning him being in the Director's box as an away team director, but Google doesn't seem to think so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:50:08
Bradford sell ‘ticket slots’ which gives priority for tickets even over and above ST holders. Flogged 1000 @£30 apiece.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 19:55:23
Bradford sell ‘ticket slots’ which gives priority for tickets even over and above ST holders. Flogged 1000 @£30 apiece.

Makes sense given they sell so many season tickets for so cheap. Getting away tickets even in the season ticket pool must be a nightmare.

What is £30 to make sure you get first dibs on away tickets when you're already paying next to nothing for a season ticket?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 21:48:08
we have good support, but it can't be that often people miss out on away tickets?

Can you imagine if the club suggested that now though 🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 22:25:48
we have good support, but it can't be that often people miss out on away tickets?

Can you imagine if the club suggested that now though 🤣

Bit different when the prices are as ours are.

Yeah rare you'd miss out as a season ticket holder though. Wimbledon must have been a bit of a scramble.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 11, 2023, 02:30:59
Moving back to Bathfords comments....

A good deal is mostly always a "willing buyer and a willing seller.

Tell me an instance when this situation happened at STFC. Always surrounded by sharks who wanted some blood.

Yes, great potential but with a price.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 11, 2023, 08:53:17
Interesting to see Newcastle struggling having started the same ten outfield players for five games in a row.

It does go to show that in the modern era you can’t get away with it. The players can physically do it (“in my day” blah blah blah) but when other teams have fresh legs you get found out every time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, December 11, 2023, 08:57:51
Interesting to see Newcastle struggling having started the same ten outfield players for five games in a row.

It does go to show that in the modern era you can’t get away with it. The players can physically do it (“in my day” blah blah blah) but when other teams have fresh legs you get found out every time.

Their away form is also so much worse than their home form which seems to follow a pattern. Maybe more tired when travelling or is that a stretch?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 11, 2023, 09:14:38
I'm looking forward to the January window, when we get some fresh legs in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Monday, December 11, 2023, 09:24:55
I'm looking forward to the January window, when we get some fresh legs in.

*not sure if serious* :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, December 11, 2023, 09:46:46
Am I completely imagining that he was working at a club we played fairly recently? I have a memory of Andrew Hawes mentioning him being in the Director's box as an away team director, but Google doesn't seem to think so.

I think you are thinking of Mark Devlin who is now at Leyton Orient after a spell with Brentford


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 11, 2023, 09:48:06
I'm looking forward to the January window, when we get some fresh legs in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:01:06
I think you are thinking of Mark Devlin who is now at Leyton Orient after a spell with Brentford

I think Nemo is right somewhere, im pretty sure i heard an interview with NW on the radio before a game this season? Cant remember who it was against mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:03:51
Wrexham probably has a bit more potential just in the sense of being in Wales and a large catchment area (which we also have but probably not as much).

You look at where the likes of Cardiff and Swansea were 10 to 20 years ago and its easy to see why they were chosen.

Why you would chose the likes of Carlisle or some of the other clubs that have secured buy outs over Swindon though is beyond me unless its simply down to the amount required to secure the club and any silly demands the current board and leeches within are making.

I'm 99% sure that external parties have and continue to look into the takeover of the club. One relatively exciting consortium I think may have got quite deep into that happening but unfortunately nothing got done.

My concern is the same as yours and other supporters in that the club has more klingons that the starboard side of the enterprise who all either want their continued slice of the cake, or an unrealistic payday, for next to nothing. What's patently obvious to me is that money is being squeezed and squeezed out of the club. With a few more performances like Saturdays the clamour to get these people out of the club is going to get louder.

I assume that both Wrexham and Carlilse were on paper 'easy' to takeover/transfer of ownership. Sadly I think there is far far too much baggage at Swindon and I would imagine any takeover would not be simple at all. I mean are we 100% sure that the man who says he owns the club actually does?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:21:24
I think you are thinking of Mark Devlin who is now at Leyton Orient after a spell with Brentford

Yeah probably who he is thinking of. Touch of class to Mark running Swindon at a very difficult time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:24:48
Both Mark and Nick have been to the club on Saturday afternoons this season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:33:35
I'm 99% sure that external parties have and continue to look into the takeover of the club. One relatively exciting consortium I think may have got quite deep into that happening but unfortunately nothing got done.

My concern is the same as yours and other supporters in that the club has more klingons that the starboard side of the enterprise who all either want their continued slice of the cake, or an unrealistic payday, for next to nothing. What's patently obvious to me is that money is being squeezed and squeezed out of the club. With a few more performances like Saturdays the clamour to get these people out of the club is going to get louder.

I assume that both Wrexham and Carlilse were on paper 'easy' to takeover/transfer of ownership. Sadly I think there is far far too much baggage at Swindon and I would imagine any takeover would not be simple at all. I mean are we 100% sure that the man who says he owns the club actually does?
Do you know any details about the consortium and why things didn’t progress?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:34:14
I'm 99% sure that external parties have and continue to look into the takeover of the club. One relatively exciting consortium I think may have got quite deep into that happening but unfortunately nothing got done.

My concern is the same as yours and other supporters in that the club has more klingons that the starboard side of the enterprise who all either want their continued slice of the cake, or an unrealistic payday, for next to nothing. What's patently obvious to me is that money is being squeezed and squeezed out of the club. With a few more performances like Saturdays the clamour to get these people out of the club is going to get louder.

I assume that both Wrexham and Carlilse were on paper 'easy' to takeover/transfer of ownership. Sadly I think there is far far too much baggage at Swindon and I would imagine any takeover would not be simple at all. I mean are we 100% sure that the man who says he owns the club actually does?

‘Own’ is very much open to interpretation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:42:20
I'm 99% sure that external parties have and continue to look into the takeover of the club. One relatively exciting consortium I think may have got quite deep into that happening but unfortunately nothing got done.

 :crash: :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:50:57
Do you know any details about the consortium and why things didn’t progress?

I can't actually remember who I heard it from so I don't even know how legit it was but from memory it was a group who were involved in another European team. (I think it was Holland) As for the finer details, again it's all word of mouth stuff so I suspect once they got to look at the books (arf) or what was going on behind the scenes they figured there was too much baggage.

I've no idea, but the current penny pinching at the club SURELY means something is happening? Or maybe I'm just being too hopeful after a weekend on the piss!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:52:12
‘Own’ is very much open to interpretation.

Well this is it? Perhaps the twisted lines of ownership puts off potential investors?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 11, 2023, 10:57:44
I can't actually remember who I heard it from so I don't even know how legit it was but from memory it was a group who were involved in another European team. (I think it was Holland) As for the finer details, again it's all word of mouth stuff so I suspect once they got to look at the books (arf) or what was going on behind the scenes they figured there was too much baggage.

I've no idea, but the current penny pinching at the club SURELY means something is happening? Or maybe I'm just being too hopeful after a weekend on the piss!

I heard this also. Was it AZ Alkmaar or someone like that? That rings a bell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 11:00:26
Fuck me that is exciting.

sigh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 11, 2023, 11:05:07
I heard this also. Was it AZ Alkmaar or someone like that? That rings a bell

Their owner was reportedly interested in Huddersfield in March and wanted an English club. Sigh.

Unrelated but moneyball whizz Billy Beane is minority owner at AZ Alkmaar as well as previously Barnsley


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 11, 2023, 11:07:49
Would be good to have a feeder club in the Eredivisie.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 11, 2023, 11:15:16
I heard this also. Was it AZ Alkmaar or someone like that? That rings a bell

Possibly - they certainly appear to have some innovative ideas.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12871411/az-alkmaar-use-brainsfirst-test-to-identify-best-young-talent-and-it-has-helped-them-win-uefa-youth-league

I just had a quick look and they are 3rd in the Dutch League and got to the Europa Conference semi final last season.

Here is a bit about Billy Beane

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37586707/moneyball-guru-billy-beane-buys-minority-stake-dutch-club-alkmaar


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 11:28:04
That would be unreal, wouldn't it?

Nice to dream.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, December 11, 2023, 12:00:25
I've no idea, but the current penny pinching at the club SURELY means something is happening? Or maybe I'm just being too hopeful after a weekend on the piss!

Yes this is true, but as others have said - the baggage is proving too costly to some. It'll come, I'd just write this season off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 12:31:19
Its not this season on the pitch I'm worried about to be honest. Why would next season be better than this with regards to baggage? Seems to be like we have a hangers on issue regardless of when it happens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 11, 2023, 13:04:52
Both Mark and Nick have been to the club on Saturday afternoons this season.


Still keep in touch with Mark D.
He was actually sitting with me at a midweek home game a few seasons back.

Nick is more into his Rugby.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, December 11, 2023, 13:56:42
My £5 bet on Swindon to be relegated at 200/1 has increased cash out today from £1.20 to £9.50. Seen odds have dropped from 100/1 to 25/1. Anything that the bookies know?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 11, 2023, 14:01:36
My £5 bet on Swindon to be relegated at 200/1 has increased cash out today from £1.20 to £9.50. Seen odds have dropped from 100/1 to 25/1. Anything that the bookies know?

They’ve extrapolated out from our last 100 mins of league football and removed Young and Kemp from their algorithm…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 11, 2023, 14:11:15
My £5 bet on Swindon to be relegated at 200/1 has increased cash out today from £1.20 to £9.50. Seen odds have dropped from 100/1 to 25/1. Anything that the bookies know?

Points deduction incoming.................










I've made that up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, December 11, 2023, 14:13:55
My £5 bet on Swindon to be relegated at 200/1 has increased cash out today from £1.20 to £9.50. Seen odds have dropped from 100/1 to 25/1. Anything that the bookies know?

We're 15 points clear of the relegation zone, but only 1 point from the playoff spots and 7 points from autos, so as tough as it seems currently, we should still be looking up the league and not down.

#HappyClapper  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, December 11, 2023, 14:40:11
We're 15 points clear of the relegation zone, but only 1 point from the playoff spots and 7 points from autos, so as tough as it seems currently, we should still be looking up the league and not down.

#HappyClapper  :clap:

Come on Ginge, read the room man...  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 11, 2023, 15:09:16
I wonder how Lindsey would have got on with this squad?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 11, 2023, 15:10:59
I wonder how Lindsey would have got on with this squad?  :hmmm:

You have to give him some credit, Crawley were absolutely hammered in pre-season predictions and they sit pretty handily in 10th. Obviously I'm not suggesting I would want him here, but I think fair's fair you have to say he's doing a good job in pretty difficult circumstances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 11, 2023, 15:14:29
Trying to work out if we would have capitulated so much under his methods. Guess I'm trying to work out how much our struggle is due to a thin squad or coaching. Or both.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Monday, December 11, 2023, 15:16:54
Trying to work out if we would have capitulated so much under his methods. Guess I'm trying to work out how much our struggle is due to a thin squad or coaching. Or both.

I think there's an issue with both, and the issues with each exacerbate the other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Monday, December 11, 2023, 15:47:42
We're 15 points clear of the relegation zone, but only 1 point from the playoff spots and 7 points from autos, so as tough as it seems currently, we should still be looking up the league and not down.

#HappyClapper  :clap:

I'm with you. Hall oozed confidence when he said he'd like Swindon Town to be in L1 within [checks notes and looks at the table] 3 years.

 :toocool:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, December 11, 2023, 16:58:30
I braved the famous Facebook group for the first time in ages earlier. It seems to have gone full circle - it used to be full of anti-owner (Power) sentiment with one or two defending him and it’s now almost exclusively pro-Clem with any dissenting voices quickly shouted down.

I exited whilst my brain cells remained intact…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 17:14:09
There is a lot of people saying Clem out on there, but a shit ton of apologist who won't hear a bad word against him.

Its amazing what pouring a pint and saying hello to a complete simpleton can do. They'll go to war for you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 11, 2023, 17:24:15
There is a lot of people saying Clem out on there, but a shit ton of apologist who won't hear a bad word against him.

Its amazing what pouring a pint and saying hello to a complete simpleton can do. They'll go to war for you.

Im surprised you havent been banned :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 17:44:39
Im surprised you havent been banned :D

Me too, I've pushed it a bit on a few occasions. Sometimes I wonder why I do it but I think I'm a glutton for punishment.

Had a few warnings, had that Ian Jarmey block me. I struggle to believe he is a real person.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 11, 2023, 17:48:05
Me too, I've pushed it a bit on a few occasions. Sometimes I wonder why I do it but I think I'm a glutton for punishment.

Had a few warnings, had that Ian Jarmey block me. I struggle to believe he is a real person.

He’s quite a nice guy and definitely real. He did move to Spain a few years ago not sure if he’s back in Swindon now tho.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 11, 2023, 18:18:03
Hope the EFL arent watching this!

https://www.cymrufootball.wales/news/faw-statement-pontypridd-united/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 11, 2023, 18:31:37
Anniversary of the 4-3 v Arsenal today.

Sigh


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: sir windon on Monday, December 11, 2023, 18:34:13
Yes, 44 years ago. Also 30 years to the day we drew at Anfield. No wonder we’re fed up with the current state of affairs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:14:18
He’s quite a nice guy and definitely real. He did move to Spain a few years ago not sure if he’s back in Swindon now tho.

It must be nice to have his positivity that's for sure. I half wonder if he's on some sort of happy pills or something as its outside of the realms of reality a lot of the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:22:13
Anniversary of the 4-3 v Arsenal today.

Sigh

Just breaks my heart. That game and the first 1-1 draw at Highbury the very best.

I remember both as if they were yesterday. In fact we were talking about it in the pub before the game Saturday.
Now just loyalty and that light is going out. It’s shit and no signs of improving.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:22:24
It must be nice to have his positivity that's for sure. I half wonder if he's on some sort of happy pills or something as its outside of the realms of reality a lot of the time.

I can only comment from a non footballing perspective around 12 years ago :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:25:21
Just breaks my heart. That game and the first 1-1 draw at Highbury the very best.

I remember both as if they were yesterday. In fact we were talking about it in the pub before the game Saturday.
Now just loyalty and that light is going out. It’s shit and no signs of improving.

If we get these crooks out and get an owner in we're comfortable is doing the right thing for us, that light will shine bright again no matter what league we're in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:27:18
Just breaks my heart. That game and the first 1-1 draw at Highbury the very best.

I remember both as if they were yesterday. In fact we were talking about it in the pub before the game Saturday.
Now just loyalty and that light is going out. It’s shit and no signs of improving.

8000 of us at the clock end celebrating when Bully Tuckers header went in :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:30:44
Just breaks my heart. That game and the first 1-1 draw at Highbury the very best.

I remember both as if they were yesterday. In fact we were talking about it in the pub before the game Saturday.
Now just loyalty and that light is going out. It’s shit and no signs of improving.
Days like these are what makes all the shit worthwhile. That replay at the CG I was in the Shrivvy- I swear my feet hardly touched the terrace steps all evening we were so crammed in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:54:23
There may have been 8000 together in one end but there were two of us in the other end as well....!!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 11, 2023, 19:56:41
There may have been 8000 together in one end but there were two of us in the other end as well....!!!!

I bet you were quiet :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 11, 2023, 20:14:09
Yes, 44 years ago. Also 30 years to the day we drew at Anfield. No wonder we’re fed up with the current state of affairs.

The fall & rise of Swindon Town between those two games.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 11, 2023, 20:27:14
If we get these crooks out and get an owner in we're comfortable is doing the right thing for us, that light will shine bright again no matter what league we're in.

Keep posting Mate, seriously lifts me.
⚽️👍


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 11, 2023, 20:29:58
8000 of us at the clock end celebrating when Bully Tuckers header went in :pint:

Best ever Swindon goal celebration.
Ffs the Clock End earth tremor, I was a young lad, I saw the ball leave Tuckers head, arms aloft, then only fuck knows what happened next, it was carnage ❤️


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 11, 2023, 20:34:06
Best ever Swindon goal celebration.
Ffs the Clock End earth tremor, I was a young lad, I saw the ball leave Tuckers head, arms aloft, then only fuck knows what happened next, it was carnage ❤️

There’s no footage anywhere of that goal even tried the Arsenal forum but only the replay was covered. Great memories and remember the 90+ coaches all lined up by the railway line where the emirates is now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, December 11, 2023, 20:51:02
There’s no footage anywhere of that goal even tried the Arsenal forum but only the replay was covered. Great memories and remember the 90+ coaches all lined up by the railway line where the emirates is now

We went down by train, the tubes rammed.
Arsenal First team as well, full of International Players.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, December 11, 2023, 20:51:19
Best ever Swindon goal celebration.
Ffs the Clock End earth tremor, I was a young lad, I saw the ball leave Tuckers head, arms aloft, then only fuck knows what happened next, it was carnage ❤️

He leapt like a salmon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 11, 2023, 21:18:35
The best I can come up with. Is it right the attendance was only 22,000 at the CG.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 11, 2023, 22:05:02
Why, when following STFC do we always need to be look backwards and not looking forwards with great anticipation...

Ah, I remember  !!!! 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Munichred on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 08:29:56
He leapt like a salmon.

I seem to remember a chant that celebrated that goal:

We all went
We all saw
Billy Tucker force a draw
La la la la, la la la, la la

Or is my memory playing tricks??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 09:20:11
Jimmy to answer you post...

Very quiet but with a large smile on my dial.

In fact similar to when Chris Guthrie scored the winner at Upton Park and again this time was surrounded by Hammers fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 18:13:45
Peacock gone according to his Instagram.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 18:22:09
Peacock gone according to his Instagram.


Moved down to Plymouth


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 18:23:10
Mrs Slocombe’s pussy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 18:29:24
Perhaps we can replace him with a bricklayer, roofer, plasterer or any other tradesperson that Clem has hanging around.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 19:02:16
Peacock gone according to his Instagram.


Another one bites the dust.
The amount of staff that have left their jobs at STFC over the last 12/18 months is crazy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 19:05:24
Another one bites the dust.
The amount of staff that have left their jobs at STFC over the last 12/18 months is crazy.

Clem's coming over next week to take over.

#jackofalltrades


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 19:07:09
Clem's coming over next week to take over.

#jackofalltrades

I can't help but think Clem has painted himself into a corner with his "I'm personally overseeing January" line.

It won't be anything other than a disaster. Maybe it all has to get worse before it can get better.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 19:20:25
Another one bites the dust.
The amount of staff that have left their jobs at STFC over the last 12/18 months is crazy.

His mrs lives down in Plymouth according to his facebook


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 19:24:55
I can't help but think Clem has painted himself into a corner with his "I'm personally overseeing January" line.

It won't be anything other than a disaster. Maybe it all has to get worse before it can get better.
It’s either incredibly naïve or it’s the actions of someone who won’t be around to face any blow back when the inevitable happens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 19:52:12
Peacock seems like a person whose leaving is the normal course of business, someone leaving for family location reasons. Would be nice of the club to acknowledge his leaving though, considering that he (along with Mildly) held the club together in its darkest hours. Well, some of its darkest hours anyway, there's a lot of competition.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 20:27:15
Just caught up on the advisory board minutes & there's mention of a Xmas event for the Barrow game. Assume this is no longer happening as haven't seen any advertisements unless I've missed them?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 20:43:24
I see the women's squad has just made a signing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 20:47:32
Peacock seems like a person whose leaving is the normal course of business, someone leaving for family location reasons. Would be nice of the club to acknowledge his leaving though, considering that he (along with Mildly) held the club together in its darkest hours. Well, some of its darkest hours anyway, there's a lot of competition.

And indeed they have put up a post on the FB page, so credit where credits due. Could perhaps have been a bit more detailed than your average Carabao ad but it's something.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 21:08:23
I see the women's squad has just made a signing

They dont cost anything though


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 07:45:29
A twitter ITKer reckons we're in for some bad news today

https://twitter.com/TrevorSTFC/status/1734701428587798918?t=5kuQhnAUqXf6EOSC8_r5bg&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:24:15
A twitter ITKer reckons we're in for some bad news today

https://twitter.com/TrevorSTFC/status/1734701428587798918?t=5kuQhnAUqXf6EOSC8_r5bg&s=19

Trev has been hinting about something for a week or so. He can't possibly relay what it is though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:24:23
A twitter ITKer reckons we're in for some bad news today

https://twitter.com/TrevorSTFC/status/1734701428587798918?t=5kuQhnAUqXf6EOSC8_r5bg&s=19

I did think it was weird that swindon to be relegated has gone from 100/1 to 25/1. Haven’t heard myself but a points deduction wouldn’t shock me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:38:03
Someone else reckons an academy fire sale too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:38:22
I did think it was weird that swindon to be relegated has gone from 100/1 to 25/1. Haven’t heard myself but a points deduction wouldn’t shock me.

Pretty odd that BetVictor have us at 16/1 and Crawley at 66/1 and Accrington 125/1. Suggests they may know something as you say...

#realdeal #initforthelonghaul #competitivebudget


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:39:40
All it takes is a handful of bets though, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:41:00
Someone else reckons an academy fire sale too

Ash and Trev are bestys, so it’s most likely the same thing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:43:25
Have the Trust ever issued a rebuttal or any comment on the Hall of Shame interview? I can't recall anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:43:42
Ash and Trev are bestys, so it’s most likely the same thing.

Brought together by their love of racism and homophobia


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:46:42
Suggests they may know something as you say...

They don't, but suggests someone has lumped on. As ever though how big is the market? Does £50 move it a lot?

edit:
All it takes is a handful of bets though, right?

oops, sorry, didn't read back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:47:46
With the general tone of that Twitter account, the 'bad news' might be the club announcing a rainbow laces game or signing a diversity charter.

That said, nothing much would surprise at this point. 10 point deduction puts us third bottom though, which you think would shorten the odds a lot more than has been mentioned above!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:50:25
Same Twitter account reckons the kids have been put on the bench to increase the £ we get for them. Plausible theory but also our injury crisis has been so bad that who else would go on the bench?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:50:40
Incidentally, does anyone know if transfer of (our) debenture is declarable through companies house?

I assume not, but was having a conversation vi X (formerly Twitter) with someone who was adamant it would be. Got the impression they were trying hard to prove wrong doing without having the necessary understanding to do so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:52:17
Have the Trust ever issued a rebuttal or any comment on the Hall of Shame interview? I can't recall anything.

No


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:53:01
Incidentally, does anyone know if transfer of (our) debenture is declarable through companies house?

I assume not, but was having a conversation vi X (formerly Twitter) with someone who was adamant it would be. Got the impression they were trying hard to prove wrong doing without having the necessary understanding to do so.

I saw this, this is the same guy that did hid his exclusive due dilligence on Able wasnt it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:53:10
Same Twitter account reckons the kids have been put on the bench to increase the £ we get for them. Plausible theory but also our injury crisis has been so bad that who else would go on the bench?

As an aside I sat next to Jaxon Brown's dad at Wimbledon. Only had a superficial conversation with him so no ITK there - but I do think his development is being stunted by being on the bench and not out on loan.

I did shit myself a bit because I saw him talk to a sub and thought it was Adam Hart  - I had had a few beers and not sure flappy tongue would have been kept in head.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:54:43
From twitter:

Here you go ....U-14’s for sale ... We're going to be left with nothing.....  Not even a stapler on the office. The future is not bright. Hubbard and Jackson Brown for certain. One player at Villa already..... Kids have been on the bench for ££££ #stfc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:55:14
I saw this, this is the same guy that did hid his exclusive due dilligence on Able wasnt it

Not sure TBH. I kind of lost interest when he used the change of business address of Axis football investments to the old liquidated Axis address as proof of wrongdoing.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 08:59:46
From twitter:

Here you go ....U-14’s for sale ... We're going to be left with nothing.....  Not even a stapler on the office. The future is not bright. Hubbard and Jackson Brown for certain. One player at Villa already..... Kids have been on the bench for ££££ #stfc
This was mentioned to me a few weeks back, could well be a huge element of the truth in it, but we will see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:02:13
This was mentioned to me a few weeks back, could well be a huge element of the truth in it, but we will see.

Most academy transfers at this level are small fees up front and the rest based on future achievables so if true it begs the question of how desperate we are for this cash right now unless they’re accepting a worse deal to get a slightly larger up front fee and less add ons


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:03:15
From twitter:

Here you go ....U-14’s for sale ... We're going to be left with nothing.....  Not even a stapler on the office. The future is not bright. Hubbard and Jackson Brown for certain. One player at Villa already..... Kids have been on the bench for ££££ #stfc

Ah the never ending STFC cycle of: new owner, sell all players for as money as possible, owner sells, new owner comes in and overpromises, sell all players etc etc...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:06:04
More BS about January saving the day in-bound too. We know that Hutton and Khan will be sold, no saleable assets left after those two.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:08:01
This was mentioned to me a few weeks back, could well be a huge element of the truth in it, but we will see.

I also heard that money is made if academy players get minutes in the first team. Not sure if that would explain the random youths being on the bench recently?

And no doubt the £££ received will end up in the pockets of one of the Klingons rather than being invested back into the club. Not quite sure which of them makes money from our youths, but sure as eggs is eggs, it ain't STFC that benefit.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:09:13
Have the Trust ever issued a rebuttal or any comment on the Hall of Shame interview? I can't recall anything.

The only response seemed to be, uh... the long standing chair announcing his intention to stand down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:10:30
From twitter:

Here you go ....U-14’s for sale ... We're going to be left with nothing.....  Not even a stapler on the office. The future is not bright. Hubbard and Jackson Brown for certain. One player at Villa already..... Kids have been on the bench for ££££ #stfc

Always expect the worst with STFC, but I think I'd like to see more evidence than a random guy on Twitter taking time out from his busy schedule of mocking dead asylum seekers to spread rumours.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:27:42
I also heard that money is made if academy players get minutes in the first team. Not sure if that would explain the random youths being on the bench recently?

And no doubt the £££ received will end up in the pockets of one of the Klingons rather than being invested back into the club. Not quite sure which of them makes money from our youths, but sure as eggs is eggs, it ain't STFC that benefit.  

That's correct as my i know someone who used to be involved. The minute a youth team player makes an official 1st team appearance their fee is set at £250k as opposed to a tribunal & peanuts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:28:54
That's correct as my i know someone who used to be involved. The minute a youth team player makes an official 1st team appearance their fee is set at £250k as opposed to a tribunal & peanuts.

Interesting, I had no idea it went to £250k immediately, potentially some good payday then if they flog 2/3 of them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:30:36
Shop window FC  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:31:23
Interesting, I had no idea it went to £250k immediately, potentially some good payday then if they flog 2/3 of them

I was surprised when my friend told me, it's why that Ifil kid was played & then went to Brighton.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:32:28
Marcus Ifill *wasn't* played though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:32:56
In fairness do you / can you even sell U14s

Surely they get poached rather than us actively trying to offload.
Plus - our youth prospects have nearly ALWAYS moved up the ladder before some of us had even ever heard of them.

So….id say a youth player going to Villa is nothing new…or massively bad news?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:33:18
Interesting, I had no idea it went to £250k immediately, potentially some good payday then if they flog 2/3 of them

Chris and Hollie's Christmas looks better by the day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:35:10
Theres a list as long as a donkeys cock on things this club is doing wrong.

Selling youngsters isn't one of them in my opinion, we have always been a club that does this and if we are continuing to do it then so be it.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:35:52
Obviously where any potential monies received go is indeed an issue

…but…Villa poach Swindon kid is nothing catastrophic


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:38:34
Theres a list as long as a donkeys cock on things this club is doing wrong.

Selling youngsters isn't one of them in my opinion, we have always been a club that does this and if we are continuing to do it then so be it.



To be fair I think the context is key. If they’ve sold one or two academy players on properly structured deals as usual business then fine, if they’re flogging any prospect that can kick a ball for a quick buck and leaving nothing then that’s different.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:39:21
If true though, it adds some context to why Peaks is happy to bail at this time though, either that or it is just another Swindon Town "coincidence"..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 09:58:47
I think there is a difference in clubs approaching us to take the odd youngster, and us actively offering them to clubs to get some money in.
It sounds to me like it’s the latter.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:08:54
Of course we're making money to sign players in January with Clem overseeing all transfer activity. Can't wait for the intake of 5-6 new players!  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:10:36
How many academy players have broken through to the first team in recent history? In principle, I'm not too bothered about selling them as long as the club  benefits and money is used to invest in the first team in Jan, etc.. but I'm not expecting that to happen...



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:12:02
Marcus Ifill *wasn't* played though.

Didn’t he come on, or was at least on the bench. It might even be that which protects the clubs interest. I can only tell you what I’ve been told from someone I know who used to be involved with the club a few season back. They may have changed all the rules but I doubt it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:15:15
How many academy players have broken through to the first team in recent history? In principle, I'm not too bothered about selling them as long as the club  benefits and money is used to invest in the first team in Jan, etc.. but I'm not expecting that to happen...



It’s a low number because all the decent ones get poached before they’re even close


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:18:06
I can't help but think Clem has painted himself into a corner with his "I'm personally overseeing January" line.

It won't be anything other than a disaster. Maybe it all has to get worse before it can get better.

And the overseeing accounts which clearly won't happen.

Its just whatever bullshit he can say to dig himself out of the hole at the time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:18:36
It’s either incredibly naïve or it’s the actions of someone who won’t be around to face any blow back when the inevitable happens.

He'll be on Oz anyway won't he even if still at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:21:22
Didn’t he come on, or was at least on the bench. It might even be that which protects the clubs interest. I can only tell you what I’ve been told from someone I know who used to be involved with the club a few season back. They may have changed all the rules but I doubt it

He doesn't have a profile on Rich Banyard's site, which I'm pretty happy to take as gospel that he didn't get a minute. I do think he was on the bench once or twice, but don't think he even got a JPT sub appearance. Pretty sure he was only 16 when sold as well, rather than having signed scholarship terms.

Someone else may know better - from memory I think Tails knows his family so will probably be able to confirm!

Okay with a deeper Google...

At the age of 15 years and 291 days, he was named on the bench for the first-team for the League Two fixture against Northampton Town.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:26:57
In recent years I think there have been some who have been 'good enough' to be at least EFL squad players who just never got a fair crack.

Tom Smith I always rated, Jordan Young had something about him, Twine clearly was Wellens' major black mark.

Archie Matthews went from us to Birmingham and Swansea.

I think with a lot of these, and probably more that I can't remember, it is such fine margins that a run in the team could have unlocked their potential.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:28:04
With the general tone of that Twitter account, the 'bad news' might be the club announcing a rainbow laces game or signing a diversity charter.

That said, nothing much would surprise at this point. 10 point deduction puts us third bottom though, which you think would shorten the odds a lot more than has been mentioned above!

If we didn't pay players on time like rumoured isn't that a 3 or a 6 for first offense?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:28:40
I believe Ifill made one single bench appearance but did not play.

(Nemo has already answered his own question)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 10:37:08
In recent years I think there have been some who have been 'good enough' to be at least EFL squad players who just never got a fair crack.

Tom Smith I always rated, Jordan Young had something about him, Twine clearly was Wellens' major black mark.

Archie Matthews went from us to Birmingham and Swansea.

I think with a lot of these, and probably more that I can't remember, it is such fine margins that a run in the team could have unlocked their potential.


'Opportunity' really is the key to their development. Ali Al-Hamadi is a great recent example of that. Finally gets his chance and little after 5 months he looks a Championship player in waiting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:24:21
I'm not sure these lot will clear out the club until we've been totally bled dry and are non league.

Already those rumours of AZ Alkmaar owners interested but then pulling out. Probably couldn't get rid of our infestation problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:43:18
I wonder if Clem sees signing Kemp as some sort of panacea? If so he is much mistaken. If he rips the guts out of the team, Kemp will be rendered useless anyway. And lets be honest, if we do sign him, I'm sure we sell at the end of the season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:44:32
If we didn't pay players on time like rumoured isn't that a 3 or a 6 for first offense?

Wasn't it mentioned somewhere that players were paid on time and other staff not? Remember the LS pod guys digging in to the club about that, but it would quash the threat of a points deduction for this particular offence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:51:03
I wonder if Clem sees signing Kemp as some sort of panacea? If so he is much mistaken. If he rips the guts out of the team, Kemp will be rendered useless anyway. And lets be honest, if we do sign him, I'm sure we sell at the end of the season.

Who knows, but if Kemp was signed on a longer contract, then it would give some positive indicators. Willing to invest in selllable assets. You would also think if Kemp is prepared to sign here permanently he has some positive indications about th future?

No way he signs to be sold in the summer, when he can wait for the summer and get a bigger pay day anyway.

I'm not saying signing Kemp ends all problems, but it would be a positive indicator.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:51:14

Archie Matthews went from us to Birmingham and Swansea.

Released as well wasn't he? So imagine we got nothing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:53:27
Who knows, but if Kemp was signed on a longer contract, then it would give some positive indicators. Willing to invest in selllable assets. You would also think if Kemp is prepared to sign here permanently he has some positive indications about th future?

No way he signs to be sold in the summer, when he can wait for the summer and get a bigger pay day anyway.

I'm not saying signing Kemp ends all problems, but it would be a positive indicator.

The panacea will be, like Umerah in August, *trying* to buy Kemp... and missing out But we tried!(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S6FLA0kh9s4/VDhn5k5v4uI/AAAAAAAAewI/DQ3-CdrpJMs/s1600/at%2Bleast%2Byou%2Btried.png)



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 11:57:58
The panacea will be, like Umerah in August, *trying* to buy Kemp... and missing out But we tried!(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S6FLA0kh9s4/VDhn5k5v4uI/AAAAAAAAewI/DQ3-CdrpJMs/s1600/at%2Bleast%2Byou%2Btried.png)



Obviously my comments are based on it happening. We don't believe any of this tried bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 12:10:17
I wonder if Clem sees signing Kemp as some sort of panacea? If so he is much mistaken. If he rips the guts out of the team, Kemp will be rendered useless anyway. And lets be honest, if we do sign him, I'm sure we sell at the end of the season.

Do you really think we'll be able to sign Kemp? We have zero chance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 12:21:15
Do you really think we'll be able to sign Kemp? We have zero chance.

No but Clem might.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 12:40:15
What did the forward plan say about the academy btw? Lie after lie


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 12:42:38
That's correct as my i know someone who used to be involved. The minute a youth team player makes an official 1st team appearance their fee is set at £250k as opposed to a tribunal & peanuts.

If this is true and you got wind of a bigger club being interested wouldn't you play them (even for a few mins) to make sure you got paid something.

As others have said we've lost youngsters to bigger teams for years and more often than not got next to fuck all for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 13:14:17
What did the forward plan say about the academy btw? Lie after lie

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I fairness we don't know how much of this is true, if it's normal business or is a specific player is pushing for a move or what


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 13:18:58
If this is true and you got wind of a bigger club being interested wouldn't you play them (even for a few mins) to make sure you got paid something.

As others have said we've lost youngsters to bigger teams for years and more often than not got next to fuck all for them.

True - i believe it was bought in to protect clubs who have lost youth teams players for crap money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:21:48
True - i believe it was bought in to protect clubs who have lost youth teams players for crap money.

I can't see any mention of the £250k for making a first team appearence in the EPPP document, unless I have missed this the last few pages on the below document.

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/07/18/3fceeddc-01d1-4f99-a01c-247fed27682d/Handbook_2022-23_PL-Youth-Development-Rules.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:29:36
I can't see any mention of the £250k for making a first team appearence in the EPPP document, unless I have missed this the last few pages on the below document.

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/07/18/3fceeddc-01d1-4f99-a01c-247fed27682d/Handbook_2022-23_PL-Youth-Development-Rules.pdf

If I had time I'd go through it but I trust the info I was told a few years back. All may have changed as I said. Regardless of what we get, don't get, selling all our young assets isn't the way forward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:36:33
If I had time I'd go through it but I trust the info I was told a few years back. All may have changed as I said. Regardless of what we get, don't get, selling all our young assets isn't the way forward.

The information you were told is wrong? This is the actual document.  I'm not sure we get much choice in who we sell? Now if we are actively trying to offload then thats a different matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:38:46
The EPPP scheme lets them take nippers for next to fuck all, I'm not at all sure a few minutes in the first team would bump the price up to £250k... every 10 appearances in the first team triggers another payment of a few thousand, up to a total of about £1.3m after 100 apps, I believe...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:39:51
The EPPP scheme lets them take nippers for next to fuck all, I'm not at all sure a few minutes in the first team would bump the price up to £250k... every 10 appearances in the first team triggers another payment of a thousand, up to a total of about £1.3m after 100 apps, I believe...

From reading the document, it looks like it's 1st team appearences for the new club, not the current club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:41:58
How long are the trust going to let the aussie spiv and friends hold out on the look at the books and then lie about it?

I'm surprised no more has been said since Hall called them all liars.

They're going to need to side against Clem at some point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 14:58:48
How long are the trust going to let the aussie spiv and friends hold out on the look at the books and then lie about it?

I'm surprised no more has been said since Hall called them all liars.

They're going to need to side against Clem at some point.

Who are "they" at this point?

The Chairman has gone. One of the other originally vocal Vice Chairs has removed any mention from his Twitter bio and 'likes' a lot of negative comments about the club. Chris van Roon has obviously gone. Is it just one man in a bunker left?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 15:04:17
Steve Mytton hasn't gone, he's announced he'll step down at the AGM in Feb, not immediately. I think it's pretty clear reading between the lines (not itk) that there's a level of internal disagreement within the Trust board that probably makes agreeing external comms rather difficult.

I'd suspect that they're trying to use Hall's "come in any time and see the books" to actually... get in and see the books. That was the original goal and still is, I'd assume. Calling the CEO a cunt publicly, whilst cathartic, probably won't help achieve that.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 15:24:44
Steve Mytton hasn't gone, he's announced he'll step down at the AGM in Feb, not immediately. I think it's pretty clear reading between the lines (not itk) that there's a level of internal disagreement within the Trust board that probably makes agreeing external comms rather difficult.

I'd suspect that they're trying to use Hall's "come in any time and see the books" to actually... get in and see the books. That was the original goal and still is, I'd assume. Calling the CEO a cunt publicly, whilst cathartic, probably won't help achieve that.

Fair. I'm just wondering at what point they draw a line under it and realise the club have no intention of doing so. October this was originally promised.

The optimist in me hopes the trust may be talking to potential buyers in the background as while there must be some internal disagreement, I can't imagine there are many Clem loyalists left.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 16:47:43
If I remember correctly, the Class 1 Accademies could take who they liked from whoever they wanted for very little money and, in return, the selling clubs got a better share of the TV money. With scouting being what it is and the big clubs collecting players like souvenirs from a holiday in Rome, it is increasingly unlikely that players that slip through their sieves will be hidden gems.

It reminds be from school when we lined up against the wall and the good players were picked first, leaving the fat kids getting cold. I was one of the fat kids. Actually, I was big boned.

Anyway, to get money for a teenager is the way forward nowadays and hoping that the ones who stay with Swindon turn out well,  got example Rideout and Twine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 16:54:59
Lots of stuff swilling around today but I can't see much of it being stuff to genuinely fret about. All it takes now is a tweet or two and things are whipped up but I think we're at a stage where we don't need to do much digging, the clubs actions will tell us everything we need to know.

Points deductions? For what? Happy to concede that I might be being naive here but the Morfuni shares thing is surely to goodness a financial penalty at most? Still, quite the 'one honest mistake' eh?

Youth players getting sold? Isn't that par for the course at this level (although this strategy makes me laugh when we're looking for the best players that New South Wales can deliver). Many of the U18s aren't local, they've come in from bigger sides so this strikes me more of a deliberate strategy than a sudden cashflow issue. The money wouldn't be that much in the short term anyway, they'd need to kick-on at their new club for the serious financial gains to emerge.

As for the Trust/accounts stuff. Do we really believe universal acceptance would be reached if the Trust was to come out and say 'we've just looked at the books and they are immaculate'? I'm not so sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 17:06:37
As for the Trust/accounts stuff. Do we really believe universal acceptance would be reached if the Trust was to come out and say 'we've just looked at the books and they are immaculate'? I'm not so sure.

Depends what you mean by 'universal acceptance'.

It would obviously raise further questions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 17:42:24
Depends what you mean by 'universal acceptance'.

It would obviously raise further questions.

This is it, and I'll probably be one of those asking questions.

It feels too far gone even though we haven't experienced an extreme event yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 18:17:03
we haven't experienced an extreme event yet.

Death by a thousand cunts.

Now there's an episode title you can't use.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 18:32:52
Death by a thousand cunts.

Now there's an episode title you can't use.

That’s the subtitle of the Netflix documentary on Swindon Town 1990-2024.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 19:28:35
This is it, and I'll probably be one of those asking questions.

It feels too far gone even though we haven't experienced an extreme event yet.

Yeah it's gone on too long to be all OK now. I would have asked more questions regardless with respect to where is the money going.

Supposedly over £6m of revenue and a wage budget of around £1.6m. If that's confirmed and they think that's OK, where on earth is the rest of the money going?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 20:22:19
Yeah it's gone on too long to be all OK now. I would have asked more questions regardless with respect to where is the money going.

Supposedly over £6m of revenue and a wage budget of around £1.6m. If that's confirmed and they think that's OK, where on earth is the rest of the money going?
I thought when a football club wage bill is disclosed that's the figure paid out to players and doesn’t include tax and national insurance.

Footballers wages are always talked about after tax. So a player earning £2k a week will cost the same again with 40% tax and 12% NI.

So that £1.6M could easily double with Tax  plus VAT on the business. But our turnover is better than most clubs in the league so why aren't we competitive to clubs with less than half our gates?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 20:27:29
Believe that is just the playing budget too. God knows what the bills are

If only we could see the accounts, has anyone asked


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 20:49:36
Where’s all the stuff about points deduction come from today?


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 21:10:39
I thought when a football club wage bill is disclosed that's the figure paid out to players and doesn’t include tax and national insurance.

Footballers wages are always talked about after tax. So a player earning £2k a week will cost the same again with 40% tax and 12% NI.

So that £1.6M could easily double with Tax  plus VAT on the business. But our turnover is better than most clubs in the league so why aren't we competitive to clubs with less than half our gates?

Salaries on P&Ls are always gross


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 13, 2023, 21:13:17
Where’s all the stuff about points deduction come from today?

Exsqueeze me?

Not seen any of that other than speculation on here as to what the "bad news reveal" would be


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 11:46:59
Steve Mytton hasn't gone, he's announced he'll step down at the AGM in Feb, not immediately. I think it's pretty clear reading between the lines (not itk) that there's a level of internal disagreement within the Trust board that probably makes agreeing external comms rather difficult.

I'd suspect that they're trying to use Hall's "come in any time and see the books" to actually... get in and see the books. That was the original goal and still is, I'd assume. Calling the CEO a cunt publicly, whilst cathartic, probably won't help achieve that.



I think we all hope that's the case, and whilst fans and Trust members (I'm still paying an Ayrton Senna a month like a wally) don't necessarily need a warts and all running commentary, a simple statement would probably suffice.

"Further to STFC CEO Anthony Hall's verbal invitation to come and see the books, the Trust are delighted to accept this invitation and will make plans for an agreed date and time for this to occur. We will update our members with an agreed timescale"

I suspect nothing like this is forthcoming because it's not happening/another reason. Hopefully silence is golden.

I've just realised I am probably going to get a 'Why not join the Trust' message aren't I?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 12:00:32
They committed to an update by December 21st. Today is December 14th.

https://truststfc.com/2023/12/04/truststfc-update-on-club-accounts-review-process/

Quote
The Trust board commits to providing a further update, regardless of the level of progress, by Thursday, December 21.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 12:13:55
They committed to an update by December 21st. Today is December 14th.

https://truststfc.com/2023/12/04/truststfc-update-on-club-accounts-review-process/


Ah fair enough Batch. That doesn't mean they can't provide 'extra bonus content' comms though before that date. :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 12:35:46
I wouldn't imagine silence is a good thing in this instance, as if something happened before the deadline, they'd probably update us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 12:44:38
Quote from: Bob's Orange
Ah fair enough Batch. That doesn't mean they can't provide 'extra bonus content' comms though before that date. :)

indeed. But who knows what is going on really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 12:48:32
I still wouldn't mind betting the best the Trust get to see is a summary level of detail.  Hall certainly seemed to be focused on the annual accounts when discussing it, as if they were going to get to see them ahead of public release.  I got zero sense it would be anywhere near detailed enough to do much more than joe public can do when they get released on Companies House, which is little.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 14:03:15
I still wouldn't mind betting the best the Trust get to see is a summary level of detail.  Hall certainly seemed to be focused on the annual accounts when discussing it, as if they were going to get to see them ahead of public release.  I got zero sense it would be anywhere near detailed enough to do much more than joe public can do when they get released on Companies House, which is little.

Has been my expectation from the start really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 14:22:52
Open and transparent


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 14:32:05
Although my expectation was that they could do some sort of brief balance sheet and not a true look at the books, I thought they'd at least do that quickly and we'd on to arguing about it at least a month ago.

Like my expectations were almost rock bottom and they've somehow still managed to not meet them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:04:51
https://twitter.com/EFL_Comms/status/1735328805814755594


Points deduction likely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:05:59
https://twitter.com/EFL_Comms/status/1735328805814755594


Points deduction likely?
I'd say yes. They don't normally show leniency, especially to us


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:12:15
All those cunts (mainly on the facebook group) taking the piss saying its all made up, please take this opportunity to fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:12:35
All those cunts (mainly on the facebook group) taking the piss saying its all made up, please take this opportunity to fuck off.

No way


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:12:54
Just an honest mistake guv, if those pesky ST holders weren't freeloading their way to 9 free games a season, this wouldn't have needed to happen..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:14:24
It’ll be a suspended points deduction.

Whether that will be triggered by future events remains to be seen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:17:06
No way

That Alan Kidd was mocking the rumours and calling people fucktards. I've tagged him in a comment already.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:17:32
Operation stay in the football league has commenced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:20:58
The strange thing about it is that people on social media seem surprised by this. I thought we all knew this was coming?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:23:18
It’ll be a suspended points deduction.

Whether that will be triggered by future events remains to be seen.

I cant see it. We already had a suspended one for non payment of wages two years ago. Cant see the EFL being that kind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:23:54
All information was known. However, some people don't want/choose to believe this or think things eventually just go away. Especially people that will defend one-error Clem to the hilt.

Points deduction doesn't fit the crime.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:23:57
It’s hardly a mega rule break, though. Declared the transfer to Companies House but, in the usual fashion, didn’t know about the EFL rule. Just shows up that nobody involved in the running of the club has a fucking scooby how to do so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:24:27
How long do EFL disciplinary panels tend to take to come to a conclusion?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:25:05
I cant see it. We already had a suspended one for non payment of wages two years ago. Cant see the EFL being that kind
How long does any suspension last? It can’t be never ending.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:25:36
He is the "club's management " though isn't he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:28:09
The good news is we are in prime Friday statement territory.

If we do get a fine, I look forward to calculating how many 'free' ST games its equivalent to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:28:28
The Rob Angus whistleblower interview is going to be box office.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:30:23
https://twitter.com/EFL_Comms/status/1735328805814755594


Points deduction likely?

Fine and a censure. Some form of suspended slap on the wrists maybe. They could clap him in irons and transport him to the colonies….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:30:41
How long does any suspension last? It can’t be never ending.

It will have passed by now,  but i cant see the EFL being fans of clubs being regularly on the naughty step.

Knew it was coming, but fuck me, cant we just have a normal owner and normal day in the life of STFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:33:29
It will have passed by now,  but i cant see the EFL being fans of clubs being regularly on the naughty step.
Agreed, but if you're going to implement suspended fines for a set period you can't just decide to hold them against a club once the set term has passed. And you can't set the suspensoin for one issue (payment of players) then activate it in relation to another (undeclared ownership). Except we're Swindon, so they probably will.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:34:38
I don't think a points deduction fits the crime

but, this debacle really shows how rotten the club is and how badly it's being run - I'm worried what else will be coming out the woodwork


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:35:12
Peterborough hit with £50k fine and suspended 3 point deduction for similar if not quite the same breach.

Maybe in the same ballpark for possible sanctions?

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:35:31
Has any other club been charged with this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:35:53
It will have passed by now,  but i cant see the EFL being fans of clubs being regularly on the naughty step.

Knew it was coming, but fuck me, cant we just have a normal owner and normal day in the life of STFC

This is my take on it. Hardly been ''whiter than white'' in recent years & I'm sure that this will go against us.

Now, fuck off from our club Clem & your dodgy band of men!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:36:14
That’ll be another increase on the season ticket prices then. I’m sure Morfuni and his band of crooks will effectively just get supporters to pay any fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:36:28
Not sure, but theres your excuses for no investment in January….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:36:44
There goes the January transfer budget!

Peterborough hit with £50k fine and suspended 3 point deduction for similar if not quite the same breach.

Theirs looks worse to me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:38:29
When are people going to realise that Clem is the messiah and he has the good of the club at heart he would not do anything wrong - and his agent Mike Diamandis who has vast experience of being a shadow director told him it was fine and those pesky fans would never find out, let alone the Football authorities.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:39:11
Its been coming!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:41:08
I don't see any benefit whatsoever in Clem coming back to the Uk for January. He's gonna get lynched and quite right too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:41:49
We’re in the quagmire yet Austin & Flynn’s optimism suggest otherwise🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:43:09
Peterborough hit with £50k fine and suspended 3 point deduction for similar if not quite the same breach.

Maybe in the same ballpark for possible sanctions?

https://www.efl.com/news/2023/april/efl-statement-peterborough-united/
Seems a fairly comparable case to me. Right now I'd take £50k and a suspended points deduction all day long.

A return flight from Oz in first class currently comes in at around £9k. Clem could do us all a favour and put that money towards the fine instead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:44:46
£50k the equivalent of nine freeloading games for 205 adult season ticket holders, or 1,851 getting one free game each.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:44:49
I don't see any benefit whatsoever in Clem coming back to the Uk for January. He's gonna get lynched and quite right too.

This, unless he's coming over to sell the club, he probably shouldn't bother coming over. Like, what use is he? I can't see him facing the media or fans groups while he's here either


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:47:36
Will be absolutely amazed if he pitches up in January, and if he does, he has some big ol’ balls.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:48:28
Is anyone really surprised?
After all it’s the same regime running the Club, just with supposedly “clean Clem” as the front piece.

The soon these chancers move on we can get the club back on the road.
Equally in a better place.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:48:52
“We tried to agree a fee for Kemp but we had to pay off the EFL fine, our hands were tied. By the way your season tickets are going up 50%”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:50:42
Fully expecting Morfuni to cancel his trip due to “personal reasons”. Only motivation to come is if his presence is actually necessary for a sale, which I suspect it isn’t.

If he does show, it will be the first time that we have the aggy, sweary, real life Morfuni on show. Bring it on.

If he doesn’t show, we’ll be in a wierd scenario where the real life owners (with actual power to direct the club) are hiding in plain sight and continually untouchable and unanswerable, whilst the pretend owner/showpiece hides on the other side of the world in the same way Reading’s owner has.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:51:47
Expect the worst. It's Swindon Town.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/93C4/production/_118682873_mcgreal2.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:53:54
I don't see any benefit whatsoever in Clem coming back to the Uk for January. He's gonna get lynched and quite right too.

To facilitate a sale hopefully.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 16:56:31
How many free games would a season ticket get in the national league?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:02:54
I don't see any benefit whatsoever in Clem coming back to the Uk for January. He's gonna get lynched and quite right too.

To attend the fans forum in January,
well until it’s postponed as they are focussing on the transfer window,
Then the window slams shut before we manage to sign any first team players
Then we’re pushing to sign the players nobody else wants


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:05:40
People thinking that this is an honest error… do people not remember how Clem got into position? (By knowing that if you’re a part share holder you are entitled first dibs if the club is up for sale). Do people really believe that he knew that but didn’t know that 10%+ shareholder exchanges have to be submitted to EFL? Wake up.   


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:06:16
Most likely to be a 5 figure fine I'm led to believe.

Obviously whilst this isn't the biggest rule breach in the world, the fact it happened at all continues to cement the fact that people at the football club don't appear to know what the hell they are doing.

God only knows what else is happening behind the scenes that they think is ok. Time for these chancers to be flushed away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:08:32
People thinking that this is an honest error… do people not remember how Clem got into position? (By knowing that if you’re a part share holder you are entitled first dibs if the club is up for sale). Do people really believe that he knew that but didn’t know that 10%+ shareholder exchanges have to be submitted to EFL? Wake up.   

To make an honest error you have to be honest in the first place…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:10:12
To attend the fans forum in January,
well until it’s postponed as they are focussing on the transfer window,
Then the window slams shut before we manage to sign any first team players
Then we’re pushing to sign the players nobody else wants

and then we still don't sign anyone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:19:20
How many free games would a season ticket get in the national league?  :sherlock:
you thinking of getting one 4D?.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:20:38
When do the protests start? I'm guessing most will be waiting for the trusts response on the books.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:24:52
Do we really think we are going to sign anyone half decent with this charge hanging over us.

Will it be the only charge?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:25:26
Apparently our outgoings are over £8m a year

With the playing budget rumoured around £1.6m, where is the other £6.4m?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:25:55
Do we really think we are going to sign anyone half decent with this charge hanging over us.

Will it be the only charge?

Fair play to you Cowley you’ve been spot on about Clem since the start. Apologies for ever doubting you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:26:12
Apparently our outgoings are over £8m a year

With the playing budget rumoured around £1.6m, where is the other £6.4m?

Perth, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:26:47
Do we really think we are going to sign anyone half decent with this charge hanging over us.

Will it be the only charge?

You know it isn't. What else can we expect?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:33:10
Perth, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane

You forgot Karachi and whatever Hart does.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 17:36:22
Cunt Morfuni. Wrongun. Cowboy.

Look forward to the fans forum, be a laugh.

He absolutely won’t shirk it, will he 🤥


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 18:04:39
Every pound not spent at the club is a pound closer to ridding us of these chancers*

If a large number of people started drinking in pubs rather than the LL, buying chips from Phillips or Magic Chippy rather than in the ground etc etc it will start to make a difference. 





* granted there is nothing to say the next lot might be worse, but we're due someone decent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 18:06:41
Every pound not spent at the club is a pound closer to ridding us of these chancers*

If a large number of people started drinking in pubs rather than the LL, buying chips from Phillips or Magic Chippy rather than in the ground etc etc it will start to make a difference.  





* granted there is nothing to say the next lot might be worse, but we're due someone decent.


County Fayre chips also good!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 18:34:29
Boo defending clem I see. Calling fans “mugs”.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 18:46:16
Seems we are the fans the shit hits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 19:16:54
Perth, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane

More like Adam Harts cocaine business and Zav Austins laundry business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 19:20:22
Just bought a ticket for boxing day. If the calling for his head starts I'm hoping I don't end up just getting in to it with one of these facebook idiots and lamping them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 19:28:24
you thinking of getting one 4D?.

Should be cheaper  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 19:53:23
Whilst we are never going to get the accounts from STFC, I don't see why the Trust can't publish in full all of the due diligence that they did on Clem, Axis, Austin et al.

I'd be fascinated to read it.

Don't forget, Clem was going to buy the club for £7m. He had money in an account, allegedly. He then got it for tuppence ha'penny and immediately had to act like a loan shark, harassing pensioners not to claim their season ticket refunds, and we've seen nothing but poverty ever since.

"£200m turnover" wasn't it? Not that they understood the difference between that and profit but hey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 20:05:31
People thinking that this is an honest error… do people not remember how Clem got into position? (By knowing that if you’re a part share holder you are entitled first dibs if the club is up for sale). Do people really believe that he knew that but didn’t know that 10%+ shareholder exchanges have to be submitted to EFL? Wake up.  

But if they were trying to be devious about it, they probably wouldn't have filed an official statement to companies house giving themselves away, would they?

There's dodgy shit going on but I do think not registering this was just incompetent


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 20:08:43
But if they were trying to be devious about it, they probably wouldn't have filed an official statement to companies house giving themselves away, would they?

There's dodgy shit going on but I do think not registering this was just incompetent

I'm leaning this way TBH. Just a clown show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 14, 2023, 20:24:07
I'm leaning this way TBH. Just a clown show.

Somewhere between fucking incompetent and delinquent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Friday, December 15, 2023, 00:47:09
someone said the other day that the trust could hardly come out and call clem a cunt atm but rn they could
would love christine form the osc to say it at the end off a ots streem haha be like ya nan who cooks a nice sudnay dinner but calls a chairman a cunt
legend ill pay her 500nickah to do it aswell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Friday, December 15, 2023, 07:11:44
This will not be the only EFL charge.....

There will probably be some points deductions..



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 15, 2023, 07:13:51
Let’s hope whatever changes are going to come out the woodwork are sorted asap so we can get a clearer pictures about our likely hood of still being in the football league next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 07:20:09
Quote from: Nemo
There's dodgy shit going on but I do think not registering this was just incompetent

it was more than incompetence. For whatever reason Clem decided to withhold the information on purpose.

actually I suppose you mean Clems incompetence in thinking withholding it didn't matter. So I guess you are right


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 15, 2023, 07:29:25
Do we have a club secretary?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 07:51:29
Do we have a club secretary?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 07:52:51
This will not be the only EFL charge.....

There will probably be some points deductions..


If true, it could be why nobody is yet interested in purchasing the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:02:23
If true, it could be why nobody is yet interested in purchasing the club.

What are we up for other than the Standing/Barry stuff?

In the short/medium term what else is on the charge sheet?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:16:11
Do we have a club secretary?

We should have, though if not a legal requirement, probably not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:17:24
Relegation now 10/1 giving more to the looming points deduction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:34:08
I'm not having it.

Perhaps my head is in the sand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:34:34
Think talk of a physical points deduction is quite far-fetched based upon the current crimes committed that we are aware of. Any deduction would likely be suspended. Think that will only change if there is something much sinister brewing that we are unaware of but EFL are. Given the EFL's recent track record with likes of Reading and Wigan, takes a lot for them to give a points deduction that isn't suspended.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:40:12
It's tiring being a town fan. One fucking thing after another.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:49:44
If the Peterborough case is a barometer, a points deduction could likely be suspended and minimal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: @MacPhlea on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:53:32
This will not be the only EFL charge.....

There will probably be some points deductions..


[/quote
When we were ‘flying high’ at the start of the season I remember Flynn saying something like ‘it’s nice to get the points in the bag early because it will help later when they are not there…’ never a truer word spoken…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:53:58
The worry I *think* isn't that this penalty wouldn't be suspended, but that we wouldn't do something else to trigger it in the next few months...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, December 15, 2023, 08:55:58
The worry I *think* isn't that this penalty wouldn't be suspended, but that we wouldn't do something else to trigger it in the next few months...
This I absolutely get. Especially with the cashflow issues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:04:06
Think talk of a physical points deduction is quite far-fetched based upon the current crimes committed that we are aware of. Any deduction would likely be suspended. Think that will only change if there is something much sinister brewing that we are unaware of but EFL are. Given the EFL's recent track record with likes of Reading and Wigan, takes a lot for them to give a points deduction that isn't suspended.

As Cowley frustratingly alludes to, (without giving any details) it would appear that further charges to infringements are 'in the post'. Quite what these are for are anyone's guess at the moment. The transfer of shares was known and admitted to by Clem and so yesterday's charge wasn't exactly a huge surprise.

I personally have no clue about things, but the rumour and rumblings of punishments continues. I suspect the rollercoaster ride is only just leaving the ticket booth area.

We had a suspended points penalty for late payment of wages, of which the suspension has now lapsed. Does that mean that any new infringement (I assume for late payment of wages) could mean we would get another points suspension or would it be more likely to be an actual penalty given we've fallen foul before? (even though the previous suspension period has finished now)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:08:23
it was more than incompetence. For whatever reason Clem decided to withhold the information on purpose.

actually I suppose you mean Clems incompetence in thinking withholding it didn't matter. So I guess you are right

But they didn’t withhold the information, they informed companies house.

The problem appears to be that nobody in the organisation knows how to run a football club and therefore neglected to tell the EFL.

I’m assuming that Clem got the notification done through Axis company admin, as even Rob Angus (who would have been CEO at the time) didn’t know about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:20:08
As Cowley frustratingly alludes to, (without giving any details) it would appear that further charges to infringements are 'in the post'. Quite what these are for are anyone's guess at the moment. The transfer of shares was known and admitted to by Clem and so yesterday's charge wasn't exactly a huge surprise.

I personally have no clue about things, but the rumour and rumblings of punishments continues. I suspect the rollercoaster ride is only just leaving the ticket booth area.

We had a suspended points penalty for late payment of wages, of which the suspension has now lapsed. Does that mean that any new infringement (I assume for late payment of wages) could mean we would get another points suspension or would it be more likely to be an actual penalty given we've fallen foul before? (even though the previous suspension period has finished now)
Ah yes. Further charges I don't doubt at all and would certainly snowball the penalties/deductions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:35:46
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58589077

Fortunately the timing doesn't overlap with the last suspended points deduction.

Cant imagine EFL will look favorably on us though... 1 months missed wages in the near future and we could be in big trouble.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:38:55
<secretary bird photo>

Aaah, that's brightened my day. it reminds me of the time I was stood in a garden flapping my arms wildly and hollering to discourage (train) a juvenile not to try and "fly" over the 6ft fence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:43:19
But they didn’t withhold the information, they informed companies house.

The problem appears to be that nobody in the organisation knows how to run a football club and therefore neglected to tell the EFL.

Clem absolutely withheld the information from the EFL and seemingly his own CEO, and the Trust, and the Eady Trust. Shares transferred September 2022. Companies house published August 2023. nearly a whole year.

If the CEO doesn't know, I doubt the acting secretary did. The rules are *VERY* clear in the EFL regulations. Even I understood them.

This is purely self inflicted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:46:03
As Cowley frustratingly alludes to, (without giving any details) it would appear that further charges to infringements are 'in the post'.

Oh good.

This charge alone isn't a panic stations charge IMO.

Care to speculate what is coming. Got to be Power/Ownership related if anything right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 15, 2023, 09:58:52
This will not be the only EFL charge.....

There will probably be some points deductions..



What else is to come then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:12:38
I wonder what ability there is to bin the club as the leaseholder on the ground...

If they didn't pay the rent for example.

Did the Trust ever publish the contract/deal? If not, why not?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:15:11
But they didn’t withhold the information, they informed companies house.

The problem appears to be that nobody in the organisation knows how to run a football club and therefore neglected to tell the EFL.


I’m assuming that Clem got the notification done through Axis company admin, as even Rob Angus (who would have been CEO at the time) didn’t know about it.

Potato, Potato really. The rules are that the EFL have to be notified and the fact of the matter is they weren't, so technically the information was withheld. There are many ways of looking at things, but surely to goodness someone at the football club knew that this would come out in the wash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:16:03
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:17:59
Oh good.

This charge alone isn't a panic stations charge IMO.

Care to speculate what is coming. Got to be Power/Ownership related if anything right?

Sorry I didn't word that very well. What I was trying to say was it's clear (although i'm sure some doubt the credentials) that Cowley has an idea of what is happening (I don't) and therefore we should expect further indiscretions to come out and bite us in the arse.

I'm curious as to what the points deductions might be for, knowing us some kind of weird third party ownership setup done in the background or something. (again - this is a finger in the air guess, I know nothing)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:20:28
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/

Sounds positive to be fair but won't that just be the last financial year's accounts, ie as required by Companies House? 22/23 rather than 23/24, where the problems seem to lie.

They spelt Annabela's name wrong but hey...

Didn't realise she was another Axis 'hire'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:20:45
That trust statement is fucking shambolic

More toothless than an incredibly toothless thing. A sham. A fraudulent organisation that rolls over and has its tummy tickled at the first opportunity


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:23:02
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/

Hmm. Not sure that was quite what was pitched initially. Will see what comes of it before getting too exercised, but not having that this alone is a big breakthrough in accountability.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:23:05
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/

Is it just me or is this total bollocks and nowhere near the level of detail we were hoping for?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:23:26
Aaah, that's brightened my day. it reminds me of the time I was stood in a garden flapping my arms wildly and hollering to discourage (train) a juvenile not to try and "fly" over the 6ft fence.
Thats a mental image that will never leave me now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:23:31
what did they see?

are they satisfied with it? should we be concerned? does it add up?


FFS, awful update.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:24:08
Goalposts definitely moved, that's for sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:24:57
Is it just me or is this total bollocks and nowhere near the level of detail we were hoping for?

Oh, I see that Trust update was posted by James fucking Spencer. Great. He seems super legit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:25:09
They went from wanting their management accountant to get under the skin to present a ‘clear analysis of the clubs finances’ to their members

To saying ‘yes we’ve seen the numbers and the club will write an exec summary’

If you think that the compromise they’ve landed on would result in a more honest appraisal than a (what should have been) independent appraisal by the trust then I’ve some magic beans to sell you


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:25:51
Oh, I see that Trust update was posted by James fucking Spencer. Great. He seems super legit.

He's just the webmaster, his name is on every article because it's him literally pressing post, it's not meant to reflect his 100% authorship (for example, his name is on every Dan the Fan column).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:27:13
He's just the webmaster, his name is on every article because it's him literally pressing post, it's not meant to reflect his 100% authorship (for example, his name is on every Dan the Fan column).

OK. I still don't understand how anyone at the Trust would think this is an acceptable update?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:28:37
Trust Statement is a disgrace - how are they not reading the room


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:30:23
What's said in the update is good. They've seen the books, there will be executive summaries in future accounts and the annual report is going to become more comprehensive.

It what's not said that's the problem. Even a line saying a report on the findings will be presented in due course would have done for the time being.

Edit: Just seen that the Trust's initial intention was to "present a clear analysis of the club's finances to members in an understandable manner". I imagine it'll take time to prepare that, which is why the line above would have been a helpful inclusion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:33:09
Looks like the trust have let the club off the hook, I doubt there will be another look at the books for a long time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:34:47
What's said in the update is good. They've seen the books, there will be executive summaries in future accounts and the annual report is going to become more comprehensive.

It what's not said that's the problem. Even a line saying a report on the findings will be presented in due course would have done for the time being.

Edit: Just seen that the Trust's initial intention was to "present a clear analysis of the club's finances to members in an understandable manner". I imagine it'll take time to prepare that, which is why the line above would have been a helpful inclusion.

Broadly agree with that - it just needed to confirm that the Trust will have more to share with members, separately from the club's own processes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:37:26
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To this end, the club will be releasing its annual accounts in the next few months and along side this, with the help of the trust, intends to provide an executive summary to accompany their release

This isn't the role of the trust imo club and trust shouldn't be working alongside each other like this. The relationship needs to be distant and critical, trust needs to provide their own analysis separate to the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:39:31
Read over the Trust statement a few times to fairly judge it but the overwhelming feeling each time is it’s a big let down in tone from the original stance. Not that I’m surprised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:41:41
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/

So is that the end of it? The Trust have seen the books, the club have done what they were asked of and nothing is going to be communicated about the books or anything like that?

On the face of it, appears to be a bit of a cop out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:43:34
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/

To quote George Orwell's Animal Farm:

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:44:45
https://truststfc.com/2023/12/15/trust-board-further-update-on-club-accounts-review/

I'm confused, wasn't it said in the beginning they would provide a commentary or summary after viewing the accounts ?, be good to know what they found and to what level of detail they was given, if it was just an overview then surely that is pointless, and is this  a case, we have seen them but we cant tell you what we have seen as we have been asked not to ?

Obviously if they was given a full overview then they cant reveal everything for obvious reasons, but lets have some detail rather than a statement saying we have seen them.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:45:12
I note on the Trust website they have 1498 members? I wonder how accurate that actually is. I imagine numbers will be dwindling, at a pace.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:45:15
You just know the Facebook group are going to use this as their elixir. TOLD YOU SO HATERS - TOP MAN CLEM.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:45:55
But they didn’t withhold the information, they informed companies house.

The problem appears to be that nobody in the organisation knows how to run a football club and therefore neglected to tell the EFL.

I’m assuming that Clem got the notification done through Axis company admin, as even Rob Angus (who would have been CEO at the time) didn’t know about it.

I bet RA is sooooooo glad he’s not in the hot seat right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:49:51
The trust statement reads as though it was written by Anthony Hall himself.

Reiterating how 'rare' it is for the club to share such information. A totally un necessary line. It reads like we should be grateful and we've been done a favour.

It's like the trust have had a telling off and have now gone back with their tail between their legs.

As others have mentioned, I don't like the tone. It's like they've rolled over a bit. Just when we thought we were making progress.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:52:45
I can only assume there's another update coming...

https://truststfc.com/2023/12/04/truststfc-update-on-club-accounts-review-process/

"Our goal is for Scott Curtis, the Trust Treasurer and Management Accountant, to present a clear analysis of the club’s finances to members in an understandable manner.

We remain passionate about concluding this process to offer members a clear analysis of the club’s finances. We acknowledge communication mistakes and appreciate your continued support as we work towards providing the analysis you want to see."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:52:58
The trust statement reads as though it was written by Anthony Hall himself.

Reiterating how 'rare' it is for the club to share such information. A totally un necessary line. It reads like we should be grateful and we've been done a favour.

It's like the trust have had a telling off and have now gone back with their tail between their legs.

As others have mentioned, I don't like the tone. It's like they've rolled over a bit. Just when we thought we were making progress.

Yeah, that sticks in the craw. It does feel like those left at the Trust are the Japanese soldiers still in tattered uniforms on an isolated island, fighting on on behalf of the bucket hat wearing, pint-pulling 'Messiah' monorail salesman long after everyone else has given up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:58:15
I've just emailed the Trust to expand on what I would hope a further update might include, thought I may as well cross-post the key bits here here so that people can tell me where I'm being unreasonable at least!

Quote
I think what I would hope to see as a member from the club accounts review would be:

- A Trust-only generated summary of the review. The statement suggests that the Trust will be assisting the club with the executive summary to the next accounts, and whilst this would be welcome, there are clearly trust (lower case t!) issues between Club and Fans right now, and I'd like to hear from the Trust without the filter of the football club's view.

- An understanding of what you were able to see and review - was it just the draft accounts for next season, or a longer period of time covering incomings and outgoings, ledgers and so on - a more comprehensive "seeing the books" as, say, a prospective investor would ask for?

- A view on the costs of the club. I understand why we can't have a breakdown of each player's contract or anything like that, but does the playing budget seem broadly in line with what has been communicated publicly? Are the non-playing costs of the club broadly in line with those of other football clubs of similar size (some of which make quite detailed breakdowns available publicly). At a very high level, does everything appear 'normal'?

- How much is the club losing on a monthly/annualised basis? A wide variety of numbers have been quoted by club spokespeople on this number, often swelling from one answer to the next.

I am perhaps less bothered than some by the Trust statement brown nosing the club a bit - the club are clearly prickly egos to deal with, and if a few throwaway sentences about how great they are mean they engage better, then I'll swallow those happily.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:00:35
If it ever gets so bad that we need a phoenix club, please don’t let the Trust anywhere near setting it up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:02:19
I've just emailed the Trust to expand on what I would hope a further update might include, thought I may as well cross-post the key bits here here so that people can tell me where I'm being unreasonable at least!

I am perhaps less bothered than some by the Trust statement brown nosing the club a bit - the club are clearly prickly egos to deal with, and if a few throwaway sentences about how great they are mean they engage better, then I'll swallow those happily.

Eminently reasonable points to my eyes!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:07:16
I've just emailed the Trust to expand on what I would hope a further update might include, thought I may as well cross-post the key bits here here so that people can tell me where I'm being unreasonable at least!

I am perhaps less bothered than some by the Trust statement brown nosing the club a bit - the club are clearly prickly egos to deal with, and if a few throwaway sentences about how great they are mean they engage better, then I'll swallow those happily.

There's a difference between 'polite and professional' and 'pathetic'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:14:09
Surely this is just a holding statement to say the club is now co-operating?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:16:28
Trust direct debit cancelled, for the second time. (was tempted back with the ground ownership sales pitch- its never gonna get developed is it?).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:24:03
Trust direct debit cancelled, for the second time. (was tempted back with the ground ownership sales pitch- its never gonna get developed is it?).
I looked on the trust website but couldn't work out how to cancel, did you just cancel the direct debit via your bank? .. is that the proper way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:26:17
I looked on the trust website but couldn't work out how to cancel, did you just cancel the direct debit via your bank? .. is that the proper way?


Yeah thats essentially cancelling your membership (when it comes around for renewal, be it monthly or annually).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:41:04
Clem absolutely withheld the information from the EFL and seemingly his own CEO, and the Trust, and the Eady Trust. Shares transferred September 2022. Companies house published August 2023. nearly a whole year.

If the CEO doesn't know, I doubt the acting secretary did. The rules are *VERY* clear in the EFL regulations. Even I understood them.

This is purely self inflicted.

What I meant was that it was some kind of secret squirrel thing that nobody else knew, they just didn’t report it to the right channels.

It just cements the fact that the club wasn’t/isn’t being run properly


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:44:22
 :sherlock:

is STFCBoo on Twitter the same as the guy/gal on here that parrots about joining the Trust if you think you can do better?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 15, 2023, 11:59:56
Surely this is just a holding statement to say the club is now co-operating?

This is what I’d heard, so I’d expect there to be more details forthcoming, if not it was a total waste of time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mplanney on Friday, December 15, 2023, 12:07:14
Surely this is just a holding statement to say the club is now co-operating?
I hope so, although would have been good to clarify this in the statement


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, December 15, 2023, 12:17:13
I hope so, although would have been good to clarify this in the statement

I guess you could say it's an ''holding statement'' for ''few months''.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:15:12
I guess you could say it's an ''holding statement'' for ''few months''.

Yeah, on re-reading it that does seem to be the case. Unacceptable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:18:25
What are we up for other than the Standing/Barry stuff?

In the short/medium term what else is on the charge sheet?
Presume it’d be the Abramovich stuff


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:20:01
It just cements the fact that the club wasn’t/isn’t being run properly

Sorry. I think its deeper than that. Clem purposely didn't want the info out and it  has totally destroyed any remaining trust.

You'd think lawyers were all over the regulatory filing. He may be that dumb, but they aren't.

I get that it doesn't mean it was withheld to hide wrongdoing as such, but it may well have been withheld for reasons so as not to spook the Eadie Trust for example. Equally it may just be he didn't want to advertise a distressed asset while trying to flog players..

Who knows. Dumb all round.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:24:52
But there was nothing wrong in Clem seeking outside investment. Why he chose to hide it I have no idea. Whatever the reason, the outcome could not be worse than this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:25:44
Presume it’d be the Abramovich stuff

Well remembered. That was about three outrage cycles ago. It is hard to keep up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:26:15
This isn't the role of the trust imo club and trust shouldn't be working alongside each other like this. The relationship needs to be distant and critical, trust needs to provide their own analysis separate to the club

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:28:19
The trust statement reads as though it was written by Anthony Hall himself.

Reiterating how 'rare' it is for the club to share such information. A totally un necessary line. It reads like we should be grateful and we've been done a favour.

It's like the trust have had a telling off and have now gone back with their tail between their legs.

As others have mentioned, I don't like the tone. It's like they've rolled over a bit. Just when we thought we were making progress.


Agreed. Shambolic. Been told to get back in their box and they've done just that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:29:24
Well remembered. That was about three outrage cycles ago. It is hard to keep up.
Yeah. All of 2 weeks ago - and it’s a dreadful indictment that it’s been half lost in all the more recent guff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:34:17
So in summary, basically the club have just let the Trust see what will get put on companies house in a few months that basically gives no detail of where money is going. Suddenly that’s now acceptable as long as some half arsed exec summary accompanies it?

Absolutely staggering, the Trust are a sham these days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:46:43
But there was nothing wrong in Clem seeking outside investment. Why he chose to hide it I have no idea. Whatever the reason, the outcome could not be worse than this.

Could it simply be his ego? He's always banged the drum of owning the club 100% and maybe he didn't want to lose face by admitting he had to seek alternative investment. Whatever the actual reason, it was a pretty dumb way of going about it, especially given the open and transparent rhetoric that's basically now shattered.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:47:03
So in summary, basically the club have just let the Trust see what will get put on companies house in a few months that basically gives no detail of where money is going. Suddenly that’s now acceptable as long as some half arsed exec summary accompanies it?

Absolutely staggering, the Trust are a sham these days.
The ledger isn't uploaded to Companies House. That's what they've seen and they should be able to explain £8m+ outgoings as a result. That information needs to be communicated asap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:47:36
So in summary, basically the club have just let the Trust see what will get put on companies house in a few months that basically gives no detail of where money is going. Suddenly that’s now acceptable as long as some half arsed exec summary accompanies it?

Absolutely staggering, the Trust are a sham these days.

Have been since the second Clem came onto the scene, if not before.

This pic from Dec 2018 tells you how deep the ties are.

Where were the Trust when Zavier Austin and Veljko Jovanovic were appointed non-exec Directors in 2015? Maybe some hard questions at that point might have made a difference...

I've always felt the ground purchase was a well intentioned pet project of people who didn't care how they got it over the line, or with whom. The fact that they were prepared to get into bed with Power on it showed that. That could never have been in the interests of the club, and nor is the current situation.

(https://truststfc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/boardmtg.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, December 15, 2023, 13:52:35
The trust's september statement when the shareholding issues came to light says:

"An example of this is Friday’s agreement to allow a representative from the Trust Board to review the financial records and accounts of the Club, something which goes above that previously agreed and probably unheard of at other Clubs"

https://truststfc.com/2023/09/19/share-transfer-and-ownership-statement/

Which has changed to "clear analysis" to be shared by December.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 15, 2023, 14:26:49
Could it simply be his ego? He's always banged the drum of owning the club 100% and maybe he didn't want to lose face by admitting he had to seek alternative investment. Whatever the actual reason, it was a pretty dumb way of going about it, especially given the open and transparent rhetoric that's basically now shattered.

Definitely more to it. Remember when someone asked about Chris Kiely and the most we could get was "uuuuuuhhhhh, he gives us good data". Wouldn't surprise me if Adam Hart is involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 15, 2023, 14:39:44
If you simply apply basic logic, a fairly reasonable explanation can be found for why this all happened the way it did.

1) The potential sale of the CG and signing of a 298 year lease was coming to a head
2) That would involve the club receiving a sizeable asset
3) Power has purchased the Debentures from Black/Arbib
4) The Debentures were secured against any and all assets of the business - it was about to get one
5) Power knows the Debentures are about to have some real value and calls them in
6) Clem knows he has two options - a) pay Power and get his hands on 50% of the ground for FREE, or b) walk away from the deal and let the Trust/Eady take the ground in it's entirety, but Power likely walks away for the time being given the club has no assets to call in.
7) Clem decides the value of the ground is greater and finds a quick way to grab the cash to settle the debt, but is also well aware that if he transfers shares he'd need to tell the EFL and Trust/Eady (the former because of regulations, the latter because the deal on the ground demands it).
8 ) Clem decides to proceed but needs to keep it quiet for as long as possible, to ensure the deal for the ground proceeds smoothly

I reckon he part hoped, like he tried to do with Zav being appointed as Vice Chair, that everyone would just stop paying attention.

At all times, in this scenario, Clem has choices, it is not forced upon him.  Everything he did was calculated based on the risks and potential outcomes.  

His method of operating, possibly from the industry he works within, is nearly always the 'dodgy" route.  Lots of nods and winks, not least his original investment into the club.  It's why Power would have done business with him in the first place.  I mean, look back to his first days - the idea to pressure people to not ask for refunds on season tickets.  Who comes up with an idea like that?  The sort of person who has a very malleable moral compass when it comes to business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 14:43:42
If you simply apply basic logic, a fairly reasonable explanation can be found for why this all happened the way it did.

1) The potential sale of the CG and signing of a 298 year lease was coming to a head
2) That would involve the club receiving a sizeable asset
3) Power has purchased the Debentures from Black/Arbib
4) The Debentures were secured against any and all assets of the business - it was about to get one
5) Power knows the Debentures are about to have some real value and calls them in
6) Clem knows he has two options - a) pay Power and get his hands on 50% of the ground for FREE, or b) walk away from the deal and let the Trust/Eady take the ground in it's entirety, but Power likely walks away for the time being given the club has no assets to call in.
7) Clem decides the value of the ground is greater and finds a quick way to grab the cash to settle the debt, but is also well aware that if he transfers shares he'd need to tell the EFL and Trust/Eady (the former because of regulations, the latter because the deal on the ground demands it).
8 ) Clem decides to proceed but needs to keep it quiet for as long as possible, to ensure the deal for the ground proceeds smoothly

I reckon he part hoped, like he tried to do with Zav being appointed as Vice Chair, that everyone would just stop paying attention.

At all times, in this scenario, Clem has choices, it is not forced upon him.  Everything he did was calculated based on the risks and potential outcomes.  

His method of operating, possibly from the industry he works within, is nearly always the 'dodgy" route.  Lots of nods and winks, not least his original investment into the club.  It's why Power would have done business with him in the first place.

Good summary. Most plausible.

Which makes you wonder why the Eady Trust/Council/Trust haven't kicked up a stink. Or perhaps they have.

Either way, you get the Poirot nod for today.

(https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/675/https://media.salon.com/2021/01/hercule-poirot-casebook-still0128211.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 15, 2023, 14:48:08
The Trust/Eady probably have had words, but the agreement is not really enforceable in any way, not financially or legally any way.  They can only enforce/prevent the sale of the asset itself, not the ownership of shares of the business that owns the asset.  STFC Ltd must own the ground and lease, but anyone can own STFC Ltd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 15, 2023, 14:52:15
The Trust/Eady probably have had words, but the agreement is not really enforceable in any way, not financially or legally any way.  They can only enforce/prevent the sale of the asset itself, not the ownership of shares of the business that owns the asset.  STFC Ltd must own the ground and lease, but anyone can own STFC Ltd.

If they had included a clause that said "I hereby confirm I am the 100% owner of STFC" could the agreement have been voided if it turned out he had lied?

Not my area of expertise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 14:56:32
You’d hope that due diligence had been done before handing 50% of the CG to Clem. Surely the Trust, via the JV, hold the trump card of stalling on anything to do with the CG that may make Clem a fast buck,


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 15, 2023, 15:03:54
You’d hope that due diligence had been done before handing 50% of the CG to Clem. Surely the Trust, via the JV, hold the trump card of stalling on anything to do with the CG that may make Clem a fast buck,

I believe it went back and forth between lawyers for both sides, at least that is the impression the Trust gave before the deal was signed.  It's tough to word something in a way that covers every eventuality without creating a situation where the other party walks away.  I think they landed on STFC Ltd being the owners, as a legal entity.  That legal entity is almost certainly precluded from selling the ground without gaining a majority decision to approve from the JV board.  What they did not do, and likely found they were unable to do, is have such a measure in place around the ownership of shares in STFC Ltd.  A good solicitor for the club would argue that places restrictions on the business which would simply become too onerous.  If the club needed to seek investment to cover a shortfall in Opex for example, it could be prevented from doing so through equity disbursements.  A valid course of action for a business to operate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 15, 2023, 15:16:55
Flynn

‘ This has been ongoing and is nothing new. We have been aware of the possible sanctions for a while, so that has been dealt with. I don't think it will hamper the budget. There was talk about a points deduction, I have never heard of that. That is putting two and two together and getting five.

We are better as a club and as a team when we stick together. We all get frustrated at different things, but when they are behind me it gives me a stronger belief that we can do something. I do think that off the pitch, the club are getting through a lot of the things that they have to get through.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, December 15, 2023, 16:30:32
Flynn

‘ This has been ongoing and is nothing new. We have been aware of the possible sanctions for a while, so that has been dealt with. I don't think it will hamper the budget. There was talk about a points deduction, I have never heard of that. That is putting two and two together and getting five.

We are better as a club and as a team when we stick together. We all get frustrated at different things, but when they are behind me it gives me a stronger belief that we can do something. I do think that off the pitch, the club are getting through a lot of the things that they have to get through.’

I think Flynn needs to be concerned with on field matters and leave the off field for those upstairs, he don't want to be getting involved there - I can see why he comments but equally it is not his area to comment

As for not affecting his budget, he doesn't know the size of the fine yet, we may need need to sell a player to pay it - although, it is never said how long the FL gives clubs to pay


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 15, 2023, 16:40:47
He was probably just asking a direct question tbf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 15, 2023, 19:12:53
Saw this Kings Lynn F.C expenses sheet love to see a STFC one😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 15, 2023, 19:15:07
Saw this Kings Lynn F.C expenses sheet love to see a STFC one😁

Banbury took 10 fans and it was still segregated :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 15, 2023, 19:19:51
Banbury took 10 fans and it was still segregated :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


 :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 15, 2023, 19:33:18
This just in Linda Adams on facebook says if you get Clem out, there won't be a club. Why haven't I offered a few million to invest in the club if I know it all. Also, she hopes Clem takes the trolls to court.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Friday, December 15, 2023, 20:12:42
You'd hope that due diligence had been done before handing 50% of the CG to Clem. Surely the Trust, via the JV, hold the trump card of stalling on anything to do with the CG that may make Clem a fast buck,
but the trust seem to be givign underdesk support to clem etal so god knows what the dilignece was
maybe nothing more than a hand shandy or blowy if it was done by james specner tbh


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, December 15, 2023, 21:16:08
but the trust seem to be givign underdesk support to clem etal so god knows what the dilignece was
maybe nothing more than a hand shandy or blowy if it was done by james specner tbh

Be careful, if Spencer sees this he might give thinly veiled threats saying he knows who you are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, December 15, 2023, 23:31:17
hoorah , accounts checked, we're skint, tell me something I don't know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 15, 2023, 23:39:59
Sorry, that summary from the Trust is useless.  I don't expect to see player salaries, or even first team total salaries (although it should be possible to do that if they want to be open and honest, but I understand it is unusual to that level of detail).

What I do expect is a high level cost centre style analysis of where the % of spend is going, what the total outgoings are and a month over month analysis to allow comparative analysis and trending.  Otherwise, what is the point?  A year to year top level summary is the bare minimum for a large listed company and we don't even have that.  I understand it takes more than a day, nobody asked them to pop in for tea and a biscuit only, we expected them to be in there every night for a few weeks.  And yes, I know they are volunteers.  Send them to me, I'll have a bash at it for you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, December 15, 2023, 23:58:34
Keep it coming, I love this shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 06:26:24
Wake up hunny! There's a new Trust update. Was emailed so have pasted in below

Financial Review Update


As you may recall, the Trust engaged in a Memorandum of Understanding agreement with Swindon Town Football Club back in August 2021.



At the time, the MOU was circulated nationally via The Football Supporters Association, with praise coming from many areas. It was only the 11th such agreement to be put in place for the 92 English clubs.



At the September 2023 Advisory Board meeting, Trust board members requested to see the Management Accounts of the company as per the following agreed commitment:



"Provide the Trust with quarterly management and financial updates on the financial position and performance of STFC that contain a sufficient level of detail to build trust and an understanding of how the Club is being run, without compromising the Club’s position in a competitive market or revealing confidential information such as undisclosed transfer fees or individuals’ salary details."



The club stated that Management Accounts were not yet being produced and Clem Morfuni then extended the opportunity for the Trust to review the club's financial position.



Scott Curtis, the Trust Treasurer and Management Accountant, attended the County Ground on Wednesday to do this financial review.



As a one-off visit, the aim was to complete a high-level health check and the activity was aimed at providing a broad understanding of the club's financial results. It was not an audit, as it does not carry the same level of detail, time, cost, or legal obligation.



Anthony and Annabela, representatives from the club, spent time discussing and sharing financial ledgers and the costs associated with running Swindon Town. This collaboration marks the first time any supporters group, including the Trust, has been granted access to the club's books, an unusual but commendable step in the footballing world.



The financial review did not encompass personal dealings or transactions of directors in any other legal entity. Examples include transfers of shares not recorded on Companies House or loans between individuals or offshore companies.



Our goals for the review were threefold: understanding current revenues and costs, assessing other cash commitments, and determining funding needs for the next 12 Months.



Scott utilised various financial documents, including trial balances, as of 31st May 22, 31st May 23 and the latest available.  This gave a picture of their trading, a year-on-year comparison and an indication of the operational cashflows over the last 18 months.



It was clear to see that the club is currently financially unsustainable with the club's expenses exacerbated by many high costs over the course of a year, including but not limited to player, management and staff salaries, players nutrition, away game travel and accommodation, agent fees, medical care, legal fees for numerous ongoing cases, property and pitch maintenance, technology, energy, retail, online ticketing, security and policing, administrative and medical costs. The club are actively working to reduce these costs where possible, but some are unavoidable and part and parcel of running a professional football club.



The cash flow forecast for the next 12 months was also provided and this showed when further funds will be required. Scott was able to see movement in loan accounts and the figures confirmed that Clem Morfuni had put significant funds into the club this year to keep the club afloat and is forecasting to do so next.



While Scott was permitted to review the club's financial data, it was done so in-person and with the strict caveat that no information could be copied or taken away. The figures will be shared in detail with supporters early next year when the annual accounts are released, and it was agreed with the club that when the accounts come out, they will be accompanied by an executive summary giving supporters the granular detail they need.



This will take time to put together but ultimately give supporters great insight into the running of the club. In parallel, talks are underway between the Trust, the Club and an organisation called ‘Fair Game’ to create an even more comprehensive annual report, later next year.



These comprehensive reviews take time. We met with Fair Game this week and they told us it would take at least three months and would be done by their team of football finance experts and completely independent. More on this to follow. The club also meet with Fair Game regularly.

Fair Game work with clubs who want to become financially sustainable and who embrace openness with their supporters. In June 2023, Swindon Town became one of only 11 EFL clubs currently signed up to their mission.

Although this initial peek into the club's finances may not have answered all your questions, we believe that a more comprehensive financial review is in the works for next year. This should provide a more thorough and detailed understanding of the club's financial situation.

The Board of TrustSTFC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 06:27:35
I find the reference to the MOU frustrating given the Club didn't abide to the MOU therefore making it pointless and redundant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 06:46:28
Wow, we’re losing money because we feed the players too well.

Those ongoing costs mentioned are the same - minus the legal battles - that all clubs incur. It still begs the question why, with our higher income over most of the clubs in L2, we are unsustainable.

Unless, and until, those ‘running costs’ are broken down in detail it’s difficult to believe why the club is in the financial shit.

And what does this bit mean

‘ The financial review did not encompass personal dealings or transactions of directors in any other legal entity. Examples include transfers of shares not recorded on Companies House or loans between individuals or offshore companies.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 06:55:45
One thing that hasn't been addressed is our cost of sales for 21/22 is less than our current revenue, so what has significantly changed in our outgoings since 21/22 concluded that all of a sudden means we are spending an extra £2mn a season? It's certainly not the playing budget. All commercial arrangements at the club have been completed on Clem's time bar the Puma deal. Clem ripped up the catering contract. This is all so baffling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 06:58:20
Also, how is ‘retail’ a cost? Surely retail should make a profit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:04:19
Also, how is ‘retail’ a cost? Surely retail should make a profit.
the kits cost the club money, who then sell it on, for example. They won't be arranged on sale or return, hence the delay in the 3rd kit

In terms of how much that costs - staffing, website maintenance (titter) all add up. I just don't see how our set up is likely to be more challenging than other clubs in the lower leagues


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:08:46
Well, I understand that, but they are saying the cost of providing a retail outlet is actually loss making. Do all clubs make a loss when flogging merchandise - even at our level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:14:20
I'd have thought it unlikely! I don't think they're saying the retail function loses money, but that there's a cost associated to it.
It'd be fascinating to know where income does come from (like the tranmere accounts), as the CEO said the ticket sales don't fund the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:15:21
It was clear to see that the club is currently financially unsustainable with the club's expenses exacerbated by many high costs over the course of a year, including but not limited to player, management and staff salaries, players nutrition, away game travel and accommodation, agent fees, medical care, legal fees for numerous ongoing cases, property and pitch maintenance, technology, energy, retail, online ticketing, security and policing, administrative and medical costs. The club are actively working to reduce these costs where possible, but some are unavoidable and part and parcel of running a professional football club.




Translation, they don't want to feed the players or provide away transport/ accommodation..... starting to sound like the Sheridan season !


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:38:05
Unless there’s an explanation of what specific costs have increased by £2m YoY the whole exercise is pointless


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:50:29
It was clear to see that the club is currently financially unsustainable with the club's expenses exacerbated by many high costs over the course of a year, including but not limited to player, management and staff salaries, players nutrition, away game travel and accommodation, agent fees, medical care, legal fees for numerous ongoing cases, property and pitch maintenance, technology, energy, retail, online ticketing, security and policing, administrative and medical costs. The club are actively working to reduce these costs where possible, but some are unavoidable and part and parcel of running a professional football club.

Translation, they don't want to feed the players or provide away transport/ accommodation..... starting to sound like the Sheridan season !
But take out the legal fees everything else must be pretty much like it was last season - OK a bit more for inflation - it certainly isn’t £2m more. The increase in Ticket prices this season would cover all inflationary increases I reckon, but every other cost is the same season after season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:54:29
It’s just lots of words on a page without any real evidence. So they were allowed to see the figures but not share them, pointless!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:55:11
It's not really the main point here, but had the Trust's earlier statement said - "a statement on the finances is being prepared and will be distributed within 'add timeframe' " then I imagine they wouldn't have lost a number of members yesterday. They may still have gone but for me this seems like pretty basic 'customer care' and are shooting themselves in the foot.

Unless this statement was made off the back of all the criticism they received yesterday, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:55:52
Will need to read this one a few more times and think about it. We asked for more and we got more within a day, that's good. My first impression is that this is wordy and vague and crucially doesn't seem to talk about specific areas where the costs have increased.

What I would say is that a significant year on year increase in costs doesn't seem impossible - inflation has been running rampant across the country, and I'd be surprised if the football club was completely insulated from that. That said, those sorts of costs would seem uncontroversial to be specific about - if they said 'last year the energy bill was 200k, this year it's 600k' then that's hardly sensitive information and it's also in line with how energy bills have been for everyone (no price cap for business energy either).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:56:08
Unless there’s an explanation of what specific costs have increased by £2m YoY the whole exercise is pointless


Indeed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 07:57:02
I did forget to mention something on the topic of season
Tickets, have you seen the Accrington owners tweet from yesterday with their pricing & in brackets the cost per game….no freeloading 8 game comment


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: lambourn red on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:00:18
One thing that hasn't been addressed is our cost of sales for 21/22 is less than our current revenue, so what has significantly changed in our outgoings since 21/22 concluded that all of a sudden means we are spending an extra £2mn a season? It's certainly not the playing budget. All commercial arrangements at the club have been completed on Clem's time bar the Puma deal. Clem ripped up the catering contract. This is all so baffling.
I would imagine the whole Jody Morris and his sidekick debacle would have cost the club a lot but not 2m

Sent from my SM-S918B


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:02:35
Unless there’s an explanation of what specific costs have increased by £2m YoY the whole exercise is pointless

Absolutely this


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:03:46
I would imagine the whole Jody Morris and his sidekick debacle would have cost the club a lot but not 2m

Sent from my SM-S918B

If the reasons were legitimate like this, why wouldn’t they just say?

The smoke and mirrors leads to one conclusion alone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:08:26
Reading it again, it does say that when the accounts are published at Companies House, fans will get to know the nitty gritty - or granular as the Trust put it - of how the expenses break down. That should include any and all ‘admin’ costs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:16:15
It was clear to see that the club is currently financially unsustainable with the club's expenses exacerbated by many high costs over the course of a year, including but not limited to player, management and staff salaries, players nutrition, away game travel and accommodation, agent fees, medical care, legal fees for numerous ongoing cases, property and pitch maintenance, technology, energy, retail, online ticketing, security and policing, administrative and medical costs. The club are actively working to reduce these costs where possible, but some are unavoidable and part and parcel of running a professional football club.




Translation, they don't want to feed the players or provide away transport/ accommodation..... starting to sound like the Sheridan season !

So basically our income - ticket sales/merchandise sales/sponsorship does not cover these costs that they have listed?

Is there anyway of roughly extrapolating what these annual costs may be broken down. PaulD loves this sort of shit :) for example take Tranmere or Carlisle's accounts and do a 'compare' no idea if that's even feasible but.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:17:40
I did forget to mention something on the topic of season
Tickets, have you seen the Accrington owners tweet from yesterday with their pricing & in brackets the cost per game….no freeloading 8 game comment

Their prices are going up next season broadly, I saw the tweet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:20:40
The problem is that if money is leeching out of the club nefariously you just inflate various costs to cover it up.

You want to extract £100,000 you just tag it on to security costs, for example. That goes to a ‘happy helper’ and then distributed.

People may question why security costs appear high, but a shrug and a ‘that’s the cost’ and you’re home and hosed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:22:12
I found this as another example of a lower league club fully disclosing their accounts and where playing budget is shown vs other costs.

https://www.shrewsburytown.com/news/2023/march/shrewsbury-town-accounts-july-2021---june-2022/

Again turnover around £6M but able to be competitive in League 1 on lower gates without huge losses.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:22:22
The problem is that if money is leeching out of the club nefariously you just inflate various costs to cover it up.

You want to extract £100,000 you just tag it on to security costs, for example. That goes to a ‘happy helper’ and then distributed.

People may question why security costs appear high, but a shrug and a ‘that’s the cost’ and you’re home and hosed.

Indeed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:26:25
Which is why it’s so difficult to get rid of the entire shady network - there’s too many of them complicit in it.

Any prospective new owner would do a forensic study of the accounts and uncover it all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:26:44
So basically our income - ticket sales/merchandise sales/sponsorship does not cover these costs that they have listed?

Is there anyway of roughly extrapolating what these annual costs may be broken down. PaulD loves this sort of shit :) for example take Tranmere or Carlisle's accounts and do a 'compare' no idea if that's even feasible but.
I did think of doing that extrapolated view, but I think the delta between an extrapolated comparison of tranmere VS STFC reality is the only real benefit. it would show where the bodies are buried in terms of expensive contracts.

You'd like to think the Trust would have asked a little more detail than nodding, whistling and going "yeah that's a big number" for all the expenditures


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 08:36:59
If the club are umming and aahing about showing the accounts to the Trust, just think how they’d react to a new owner wanting to go over them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 09:14:51
Is there anyone who still believe Morfuni is the Messiah??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 09:27:28
If the club are umming and aahing about showing the accounts to the Trust, just think how they’d react to a new owner wanting to go over them.

I’d imagine the few million on quid that was potentially on offer would help.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 10:00:39
Is there anyone who still believe Morfuni is the Messiah??

Proving to be a very naughty boy?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 10:02:18
Which is why it’s so difficult to get rid of the entire shady network - there’s too many of them complicit in it.

Any prospective new owner would do a forensic study of the accounts and uncover it all.

Any prospective new owner would do a forensic study of the accounts and uncover it all.

This 100%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 10:10:28
Is there anyone who still believe Morfuni is the Messiah??

I suspect many will be drawn to this statement -

"
The cash flow forecast for the next 12 months was also provided and this showed when further funds will be required. Scott was able to see movement in loan accounts and the figures confirmed that Clem Morfuni had put significant funds into the club this year to keep the club afloat and is forecasting to do so next."

And will say that without Clem we'd be in the shit and he's saved us and continues to. I remain unconvinced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 10:23:46
The concern for me is that there are give or take probably 20-30 clubs in the UK that have broadly “similar” profiles to ours and with the absolute shitshow that is our ownership/legal situation, any prospective buyer would likely have to pay over the odds to clear the vultures out and there would still be all the legacy legal headaches hanging over them.

On that basis, as a buyer you’d probably move on to another target club once you realised that.

Our only hope for a clean slate in my opinion is when this entire house of cards collapses us into administration but I think that just means that the next vulture in line (Kiely, Parladorio, whoever else’s wife is in the room that day) picks us up for a song and the nightmare doom loop continues.

It’s a Greek tragedy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 10:24:23
The line item 'security costs' might be an interesting one. 🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 10:55:24
Not sure why you would refer to the CEO and CFO by first name in that email like they are your mates but here we are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 11:25:49
Lots of words that basically say nothing. So the Trust now just going to toe the line that it’s all because our running costs are at least double that of any other club at this level are they? Is that not a massive red flag in itself and suggest money is being extracted in some way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 11:52:48
Unless there’s an explanation of what specific costs have increased by £2m YoY the whole exercise is pointless

Agree. Its just waffle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 11:54:41
Let's see how much "Laundry" costs are


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 11:56:28
Is there anyone who still believe Morfuni is the Messiah??

Still fucking divs on the Facebook group yeah.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:01:00
Not sure why you would refer to the CEO and CFO by first name in that email like they are your mates but here we are.

Because they are and that's why the Trust are obsolete and not fit for purpose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:23:59
All I see is a list of costs. Not where those costs go, and not proof that those costs are accurate. That’s not the Trust’s fault. The elephant in the room is that we are spending significantly more than our competitors. (And that we have the Disorganised Crime Group running our club, obviously).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:30:19
I suspect many will be drawn to this statement -

"
The cash flow forecast for the next 12 months was also provided and this showed when further funds will be required. Scott was able to see movement in loan accounts and the figures confirmed that Clem Morfuni had put significant funds into the club this year to keep the club afloat and is forecasting to do so next."

And will say that without Clem we'd be in the shit and he's saved us and continues to. I remain unconvinced.

If Clem is putting money into the club, it gets banked a a directors loan, fair enough. Even if there is no interest payable (sorry, visible interest payable) then the loans accrued are mounting significantly and will have to be paid by any future purchaser of the club plus any intrinsic and agreed value. I guess my point is at what time or at what figure does he decide it’s time to cash in? Because he cannot keep this cycle of pumping money into the club with out an exit strategy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:35:23
If Clem is putting money into the club, it gets banked a a directors loan, fair enough. Even if there is no interest payable (sorry, visible interest payable) then the loans accrued are mounting significantly and will have to be paid by any future purchaser of the club plus any intrinsic and agreed value. I guess my point is at what time or at what figure does he decide it’s time to cash in? Because he cannot keep this cycle of pumping money into the club with out an exit strategy.
There’s also the question of is it really his money going in or is he just a funnel?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:48:50
Not sure why you would refer to the CEO and CFO by first name in that email like they are your mates but here we are.


Same with Morfuni, he's not a mate doing us a favour.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:54:04
If Clem is putting money into the club, it gets banked a a directors loan, fair enough. Even if there is no interest payable (sorry, visible interest payable) then the loans accrued are mounting significantly and will have to be paid by any future purchaser of the club plus any intrinsic and agreed value. I guess my point is at what time or at what figure does he decide it’s time to cash in? Because he cannot keep this cycle of pumping money into the club with out an exit strategy.

My read is whenever someone meets his (probably unrealistic) asking price. Quite what that is, is anyone's guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 12:58:14
Happy (even desperate) for alternative opinions on Clem.  However, there has been a breach of trust between Clem and the fans based on his PR when taking over the club and his subsequent conduct, especially on internal ownership matters.  It is what it is and generally a case of no change there, then.

What I find completely unnecessary is the mealy-mouthed patsy approach of the Trust to this state of affairs.  First and foremost it should be independent.  That does not involve being grateful having a load of unspecific, unverified twaddle presented to it on running costs - nor accepting that knowing who/which characters own and/or control the club with which it interacts is none of its business.

If it is to have a valuable role, it is surely to be a critical partner.  If the Club has too much to hide, then the Trust would do well, imo, to distance itself and at least present a business-like synopsis of the challenges and barriers it has faced.  Rob Angus resigned for "personal reasons".  I sincerely hope he is a well man but I can't help feeling he had the wisdom to back off because he knows a conflict of interest when he sees one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 13:30:27
Impressive that there has been 4 (or is it 5) pages of ranting today after a Trust statement that says nothing other than they saw some figures that show the club is losing money, but, due to legal reasons, they are unable to quote them.

P.S. I did like the quote about us having a Disorganised Crime Group rather than an Organised Crime Group running the club!  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 13:35:20
Tbf, they are unable to quote them now. Come when the accounts are lodged at CH we should become aware of the minutiae of what the costs actually are - supposedly.

There are only 2 alternatives to Clem’s ownership. He purchased the club unaware of how much others had their claws into the club and it’s impossible to get rid of them. Or he knew full well and was prepared to go along with whatever shenanigans are going on.

I suspect that if any of the stuff going on in the background came out it would add more fuel to the EFL’s fire.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 13:56:30
Tbf, they are unable to quote them now. Come when the accounts are lodged at CH we should become aware of the minutiae of what the costs actually are - supposedly.

There are only 2 alternatives to Clem’s ownership. He purchased the club unaware of how much others had their claws into the club and it’s impossible to get rid of them. Or he knew full well and was prepared to go along with whatever shenanigans are going on.

I suspect that if any of the stuff going on in the background came out it would add more fuel to the EFL’s fire.

When did he come to STFC? 2015?

I cant see that he didnt have an inkling of everything going on, been involved long enough


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 13:58:57
Well, you’d have thought that. Then remember he handed over £1.1m to Power for nothing in return.

Don’t think he’s the smartest monkey wrench in the toolbox.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 15:30:37
Well based on the Trust statement and the worthless email that i got sent, i am going to cancel my £10 per month contribution to the trust, as far as I am concerned they are not doing their job of representing me as a fan, not representing the wider fanbase and not providing the communication that I expect for my contribution.  By positioning themselves so close to the club they are in effect an extension of the current ownership and I am not interested one bit in contributing to that.

If anyone says to me that I could get involved and join the board, go fuck yourselves.  If you think that is the answer to any criticism aimed at the trust then you are as good as in bed with them and the shady cunting ownership that we are currently watching dismantle our club brick by brick..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 15:56:43
When did he come to STFC? 2015?

I cant see that he didnt have an inkling of everything going on, been involved long enough

2017 I think, but was involved with sponsorship before coming onboard.  Somehow got involved via Zav Austin, didn't he?  Says quite a lot really.  I am sure he was sold the dream of milking a football club of money via a ground development and to chuck in over a million without proper written agreements and solicitors all over it shows what we should have expected from him.  The plan for all the people who have been involved over the past 10 years or so has been to keep as little as possible in formal agreements.  The murkier the better.  It shouldn't be forgotten he liquidated his UK company and pretended it was just a restructure of the business - he stiffed nearly 1m of creditors through that process.  An altruist he is not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 16:02:48
According to this Clem was shirt sponsor from 2013
https://www.forbes.com.au/covers/investing/clem-morfuni-buys-swindon-town-fc/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:05:35
Club falling apart right in front of our eyes and the trust about as much use as a chocolate fire guard. Left today’s match feeling as low as I have ever done in the past watching STFC. Another disgruntled fan here who has just cancelled their direct debit to the trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:13:44
We're akin to a fucking egg timer. Which ever way we turn we drop into a hole.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:15:09
I have also just cancelled my direct debit to the trust

They are in bed with the club ownership and not doing their role currently

£8.2m in outgoings each year- yeah right pull the other one it’s got bells on it

Clem needs to fuck off and take his bunch of shady chancers with him. Getting outplayed by a side with a third the average gate of ours is embarrassing- they can get physical league 2 players why can’t we?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:15:37
I’ve just done the same.

A new low today.

Morfuni and co out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:35:54
Well Boxing day will be the clubs last big pay day... and suggest will be an embarrassing time for everyone at the club. Last time for Morfuni to need to be here I expect.
He has obviously no respect for season ticket holders so just wait to see how many walk ups will turn up when there is not a Fit for purpose playing staff.
You had a chance to make it happen here and you have blown it.
You wanted the ground and you got it. Now time to go.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:39:54
If it is to have a valuable role, it is surely to be a critical partner.  If the Club has too much to hide, then the Trust would do well, imo, to distance itself and at least present a business-like synopsis of the challenges and barriers it has faced.  Rob Angus resigned for "personal reasons".  I sincerely hope he is a well man but I can't help feeling he had the wisdom to back off because he knows a conflict of interest when he sees one.

Other resignations both at the club and the trust as well. Nobody can tell me it isn't for a very good reason because of what is happening at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:43:47
Well based on the Trust statement and the worthless email that i got sent, i am going to cancel my £10 per month contribution to the trust, as far as I am concerned they are not doing their job of representing me as a fan, not representing the wider fanbase and not providing the communication that I expect for my contribution.  By positioning themselves so close to the club they are in effect an extension of the current ownership and I am not interested one bit in contributing to that.

If anyone says to me that I could get involved and join the board, go fuck yourselves.  If you think that is the answer to any criticism aimed at the trust then you are as good as in bed with them and the shady cunting ownership that we are currently watching dismantle our club brick by brick..

 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:45:10
Well based on the Trust statement and the worthless email that i got sent, i am going to cancel my £10 per month contribution to the trust, as far as I am concerned they are not doing their job of representing me as a fan, not representing the wider fanbase and not providing the communication that I expect for my contribution.  By positioning themselves so close to the club they are in effect an extension of the current ownership and I am not interested one bit in contributing to that.

If anyone says to me that I could get involved and join the board, go fuck yourselves.  If you think that is the answer to any criticism aimed at the trust then you are as good as in bed with them and the shady cunting ownership that we are currently watching dismantle our club brick by brick..

It's a good way to help deliver the change you want?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 18:48:48
It's a good way to help deliver the change you want?
Regular a clockwork! Is that the best you’ve got?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 19:08:18
There’s also the question of is it really his money going in or is he just a funnel?

Indeed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 19:08:30
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https://youtu.be/WuAcDZJ5t8M?si=okk2lbGemUhU-QsI


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 19:40:17
How long until the Trust 'memory hole' their railroading of Morfuni's ownership on their website?

They should be made to keep it there forever and a day as a stark reminder of the dangers of a few people getting drunk on 'access'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 19:45:02
So on the Trust, I'm the kind of sad sack that reads constitutions. It takes 5% of the membership (not quite sure how many that is, but something in the region of 75) to call an EGM at which resolutions can be passed. If the feeling is strong enough, the direction of the Trust can be changed - it's a democratic organisation which any member has a vote in.

The difficulty is what comes next if you did oust the board - it's easy enough to change the public position of the Trust to be in opposition to, rather than concert with, Clem's ownership, but what then? The only real card the Trust holds is trying to discourage ST renewals, which are a nuclear option as we know it'll harm the club in the short term. For almost anything else, you'd be reliant on the goodwill of the club - which seems unlikely if the position of the 'new' Trust board is that they're a bunch of charlatans and worse.

I don't really know what the solution is - I do find a lot of the Trust's current positions to be... difficult to understand, but they're now legal owners of the ground, so for me at least, there's more value in trying to reform and evolve their position than burn it to the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 19:57:46
75 people is 5% of membership? I'm sure we can muster that together to call the EGM......although maybe not if the trust membership keeps dropping in protest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:00:09
75 people is 5% of membership? I'm sure we can muster that together to call the EGM......although maybe not if the trust membership keeps dropping in protest.

Like I say, I don't think calling the EGM would be difficult. But you need alternative candidates, you can't just make the existing board do what you (or I) might want.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:08:19
For me, the Trust has become all things to all people, and that creates confusion, division and a lack of deliverables.  It's taken on a role that the Supporters Club should be left to fulfill, it has taken on roles that the Club should be left to do on it's own and it has dabbled in stadium related activity that should be for the JV to manage (I know two members of the Trust will need to focus 100% on that activity).

instead, it should revert to two things - the JV (which can, almost, be carved out - so the two Board members who take this on, that is what they do, nothing else and the rest of the Trust focuses very little on it).  The JV should report back on progress, but be a sort of standalone project.

Second, and the primary focus for everyone else on the Board and within the membership, the Trust should focus on the supporters gaining an interest in the Football Club.  Be that a position on the Board, a minority equity stake, a significant equity stake, partner in a full takeover, or the ultimate aim of full ownership.  Whatever model they think will deliver the best results, maybe with staging posts between zero and the end game.  

Drop everything else.  They don't actually need a relationship at all with the club, not in the sense of needing to be too close or needing to send out public criticism's.  Let the club do what the club needs to do, and work towards your own goals.  As and when needed, relationships can be developed to achieve a goal.  For example, to get a place on the board - first we need to understand how that would be possible, what do the club expect and what do the Trust need to do to get into the right position to deliver?  Next, how would the Trust go about pooling funds to buy into the club, even a 5% stake to begin with for example?  Who would they need to work with at the club to agree terms, and so on.

Leave shouting about wrongdoing to us, the rabble on the outside, the freeloaders, the riff raff.  That way they do not burn bridges, but they also do not end up being a mouthpiece.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:28:32
The problem will be that no one else is willing to step up and put themselves forward, an easier way would be for some of the people complaining to put their hand up to volunteer.  I repeat myself but if you want change but only if you don't have to put any effort it then, it's not going to happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:29:39
Robert....
Very right what you are saying.
Trouble is it's probably gone to far down the track for this to happen.
In truth we don't even know who the club is owned by any longer. All we do know is the shareholding and shareholders and 1 x Director.
The side agreements are not shown and therefore not visible.
We then wonder why no good person wants to buy into this shit situation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:29:59
For me, the Trust has become all things to all people, and that creates confusion, division and a lack of deliverables.  It's taken on a role that the Supporters Club should be left to fulfill, it has taken on roles that the Club should be left to do on it's own and it has dabbled in stadium related activity that should be for the JV to manage (I know two members of the Trust will need to focus 100% on that activity).

instead, it should revert to two things - the JV (which can, almost, be carved out - so the two Board members who take this on, that is what they do, nothing else and the rest of the Trust focuses very little on it).  The JV should report back on progress, but be a sort of standalone project.

Second, and the primary focus for everyone else on the Board and within the membership, the Trust should focus on the supporters gaining an interest in the Football Club.  Be that a position on the Board, a minority equity stake, a significant equity stake, partner in a full takeover, or the ultimate aim of full ownership.  Whatever model they think will deliver the best results, maybe with staging posts between zero and the end game.  

Drop everything else.  They don't actually need a relationship at all with the club, not in the sense of needing to be too close or needing to send out public criticism's.  Let the club do what the club needs to do, and work towards your own goals.  As and when needed, relationships can be developed to achieve a goal.  For example, to get a place on the board - first we need to understand how that would be possible, what do the club expect and what do the Trust need to do to get into the right position to deliver?  Next, how would the Trust go about pooling funds to buy into the club, even a 5% stake to begin with for example?  Who would they need to work with at the club to agree terms, and so on.

Leave shouting about wrongdoing to us, the rabble on the outside, the freeloaders, the riff raff.  That way they do not burn bridges, but they also do not end up being a mouthpiece.

What other clubs are higher than league 1 being owned by supporters and Exeter aren't doing that great in league 1.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:32:49
Hearts, Motherwell, Fluminese, Athletico Bilbao, barcelona, to name a few


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:38:46
I was going to say, the entire German League as well.

That is not the point though - 100% ownership by the fans may very well be a goal, but it doesn't have to be.  Partial ownership may be the best model.  I don't know - that is the point, it needs real work to identify the goals they should have, and then determine a strategy and plans to deliver.

If we believe anything Clem says, and Hall, then our current owner does not want a club that he needs to fund.  That would not differ from fan ownership, if the goal is never to need investment to cover Opex.  Also, we are talking about an 8m expenditure per annum business here - I imagine there are plenty of privately owned businesses turning over and spending that type of money within Swindon.

Again though, it need not be that full ownership is the goal or even the desired outcome.

What the Trust should not be doing is debating whether or not they should fund an xmas party for OAP's, or build a statue of Don Rogers, or help run stadium tours, or waste time looking at pretty financial pictures that don't have sufficient detail to be of much use, or have to respond to every bit of marketing and PR the club put out etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:43:57
The problem will be that no one else is willing to step up and put themselves forward, an easier way would be for some of the people complaining to put their hand up to volunteer.  I repeat myself but if you want change but only if you don't have to put any effort it then, it's not going to happen.

That simply isn't true, is it? Its the same defeatist tripe like "but who would buy the club" when we know full well there are interested parties. I know people that have spoken about running.

Just because certain posters (myself included) aren't interested in running but criticise doesn't mean there aren't candidates out there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:46:06
There are also plenty of people who have volunteered and done time on the trust board before like myself, I can criticise them and ive done my time, is that ok?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:50:21
Hearts, Motherwell, Fluminese, Athletico Bilbao, barcelona, to name a few

Yep all English football teams


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:51:31
Fan ownership can also be a path to selling to the 'right' owner as Portsmouth did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:52:50
Fan ownership can also be a path to selling to the 'right' owner as Portsmouth did.

There was a fan element at Wrexham too, no? Maybe they owned the ground or something.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:53:22
That simply isn't true, is it? Its the same defeatist tripe like "but who would buy the club" when we know full well there are interested parties. I know people that have spoken about running.

Just because certain posters (myself included) aren't interested in running but criticise doesn't mean there aren't candidates out there.

People can run every year, can't they? You can criticise but it's not going to change anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:55:15
There are also plenty of people who have volunteered and done time on the trust board before like myself, I can criticise them and ive done my time, is that ok?

I've not said anyone can't criticise but I'm pointing out that nothing will change without people volunteering? Or am I wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 20:55:21
There was a fan element at Wrexham too, no? Maybe they owned the ground or something.

They owned the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:03:03
Yep all English football teams

Cop out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:10:17
Cop out.

In what way? Unless Swindon aren't in the English football league?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:14:42
In what way? Unless Swindon aren't in the English football league?

Its a cop out moving the goalposts to your original statement. You asked for higher clubs than us and you got them. You never mentioned English.

Tiresome drivel. Just devil advocating the conversation to death like always.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:32:37
Its a cop out moving the goalposts to your original statement. You asked for higher clubs than us and you got them. You never mentioned English.

Tiresome drivel. Just devil advocating the conversation to death like always.

Having a different view to you is tiresome drivel? I said higher than league one, which I would say indicates that I meant English football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:35:56
BTW, I would absolutely take us being run like Exeter - we'd have a higher revenue position as a business to start from than they had, so even suggesting fan ownership would temper future ambition, we should expect to be able to outperform Exeter.

Right now, I'd take being a L1 wannabe that has a chance of the play offs - our current, non fan owned model is heading in reverse at L2 level.

Again - I am not suggesting that has to be how we do it.  We could take the German approach of 50+1, or Rangers where fans now own over 10% of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:45:55
As I said post Wimbledon, I maintain that there’s still quite a bit of support ‘on the ground’ for the owner. A few attempted chants didn’t get anywhere again today. I can’t see that changing even with a thumping on Boxing Day.

Apathy has well and truly set in - it’s often said there’s never a dull moment following Town, well I strongly disagree - the past season and a half has been as dull as it gets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 21:50:43
Exeter - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00097808/filing-history/MzM3MTQzNDg3OGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

Yes please - I'd take that, with a bigger fanbase to start from as well.

They are currently in a bit of a relegation scrap, again, something we'd not be immune to, but you'd hope our bigger fanbase gives more opportunity to reach higher.

They make our accounts (the actual numbers) look fucking miserable in comparison.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 22:13:47
Having a different view to you is tiresome drivel? I said higher than league one, which I would say indicates that I meant English football.

You asked a question, you had it answered and you moved the goalposts. Why does it matter if its in English football? Its semantics. They're good examples.

Portsmouth are also a recent success who were fan owned and will be championship soon, but guessing as they sold uo they don't count either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 22:16:09
BTW, I would absolutely take us being run like Exeter - we'd have a higher revenue position as a business to start from than they had, so even suggesting fan ownership would temper future ambition, we should expect to be able to outperform Exeter.

Right now, I'd take being a L1 wannabe that has a chance of the play offs - our current, non fan owned model is heading in reverse at L2 level.

Again - I am not suggesting that has to be how we do it.  We could take the German approach of 50+1, or Rangers where fans now own over 10% of the club.

Would he a dream from where we are now, wouldn't it?

Not something to be poo-pooed and shot down at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 22:16:59
I think fan owned could be a great bridge to a brighter future.

Clean the Augean Stable, even if it takes us to the National League in the meantime.

Then get match fit for a proper buyer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 22:17:52
As I said post Wimbledon, I maintain that there’s still quite a bit of support ‘on the ground’ for the owner. A few attempted chants didn’t get anywhere again today. I can’t see that changing even with a thumping on Boxing Day.

Apathy has well and truly set in - it’s often said there’s never a dull moment following Town, well I strongly disagree - the past season and a half has been as dull as it gets.

Be more people in the ground boxing day. We'll see if that helps or hinders the chants catching on. I'm up for it.

What were they, out of interest?

I can see boxing day being my last straw game if there is no positive response in the ground to it. That game under Power was Rovers when it was abaonded and he wanted us to pay again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 22:25:54
Wake up hunny! There's a new Trust update. Was emailed so have pasted in below

Financial Review Update


As you may recall, the Trust engaged in a Memorandum of Understanding agreement with Swindon Town Football Club back in August 2021.



At the time, the MOU was circulated nationally via The Football Supporters Association, with praise coming from many areas. It was only the 11th such agreement to be put in place for the 92 English clubs.



At the September 2023 Advisory Board meeting, Trust board members requested to see the Management Accounts of the company as per the following agreed commitment:



"Provide the Trust with quarterly management and financial updates on the financial position and performance of STFC that contain a sufficient level of detail to build trust and an understanding of how the Club is being run, without compromising the Club’s position in a competitive market or revealing confidential information such as undisclosed transfer fees or individuals’ salary details."



The club stated that Management Accounts were not yet being produced and Clem Morfuni then extended the opportunity for the Trust to review the club's financial position.



Scott Curtis, the Trust Treasurer and Management Accountant, attended the County Ground on Wednesday to do this financial review.



As a one-off visit, the aim was to complete a high-level health check and the activity was aimed at providing a broad understanding of the club's financial results. It was not an audit, as it does not carry the same level of detail, time, cost, or legal obligation.



Anthony and Annabela, representatives from the club, spent time discussing and sharing financial ledgers and the costs associated with running Swindon Town. This collaboration marks the first time any supporters group, including the Trust, has been granted access to the club's books, an unusual but commendable step in the footballing world.



The financial review did not encompass personal dealings or transactions of directors in any other legal entity. Examples include transfers of shares not recorded on Companies House or loans between individuals or offshore companies.



Our goals for the review were threefold: understanding current revenues and costs, assessing other cash commitments, and determining funding needs for the next 12 Months.



Scott utilised various financial documents, including trial balances, as of 31st May 22, 31st May 23 and the latest available.  This gave a picture of their trading, a year-on-year comparison and an indication of the operational cashflows over the last 18 months.



It was clear to see that the club is currently financially unsustainable with the club's expenses exacerbated by many high costs over the course of a year, including but not limited to player, management and staff salaries, players nutrition, away game travel and accommodation, agent fees, medical care, legal fees for numerous ongoing cases, property and pitch maintenance, technology, energy, retail, online ticketing, security and policing, administrative and medical costs. The club are actively working to reduce these costs where possible, but some are unavoidable and part and parcel of running a professional football club.



The cash flow forecast for the next 12 months was also provided and this showed when further funds will be required. Scott was able to see movement in loan accounts and the figures confirmed that Clem Morfuni had put significant funds into the club this year to keep the club afloat and is forecasting to do so next.



While Scott was permitted to review the club's financial data, it was done so in-person and with the strict caveat that no information could be copied or taken away. The figures will be shared in detail with supporters early next year when the annual accounts are released, and it was agreed with the club that when the accounts come out, they will be accompanied by an executive summary giving supporters the granular detail they need.



This will take time to put together but ultimately give supporters great insight into the running of the club. In parallel, talks are underway between the Trust, the Club and an organisation called ‘Fair Game’ to create an even more comprehensive annual report, later next year.



These comprehensive reviews take time. We met with Fair Game this week and they told us it would take at least three months and would be done by their team of football finance experts and completely independent. More on this to follow. The club also meet with Fair Game regularly.

Fair Game work with clubs who want to become financially sustainable and who embrace openness with their supporters. In June 2023, Swindon Town became one of only 11 EFL clubs currently signed up to their mission.

Although this initial peek into the club's finances may not have answered all your questions, we believe that a more comprehensive financial review is in the works for next year. This should provide a more thorough and detailed understanding of the club's financial situation.

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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 22:47:49
I think fan owned could be a great bridge to a brighter future.

Clean the Augean Stable, even if it takes us to the National League in the meantime.

Then get match fit for a proper buyer.

Don't get me wrong, it could be a good move but its totally unrealistic prospect at the moment and it doesn't always work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 23:32:28
I spent this afternoon not only putting up with a dire on-field performance, but more importantly points of view from interested parties and staff members.

Opinions couldn’t have been further apart. A supporter like myself who has lost trust in Clem and his CEO and another who highlighted the good work being done by our CEO to identify and rectify previous seasons problems and yes, nieve attitude on certain issues.

If the latter provided accurate information, and I have no reason to disbelieve them, what has been released is not only true, but easily fixed.

It may take time, but apparently action is being taken to balance the books. There seems to be a lot of internal trust in Mr Hall.

We shall see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 23:42:45
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 16, 2023, 23:51:45
There seems to be a lot of internal trust in Mr Hall.

Well certainly no external trust there anymore   :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 00:12:09
If Clem et al are, indeed, taking money out of the club under the guise of increased, unspecified costs it’s going to come back and bite him in the arse when any new, prospective owner sees that an £8m T/O business makes a loss and by Clem’s own admission is unsustainable. He’ll get offered peanuts for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 00:28:43
The hope is that potential buyers know that clubs generating £6m+ in revenue can be easily sustainable when they're not ran by crooks and fuckwits.

Or we'll be stuck with this mob for a long downward spiral further.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 07:06:55
Just cancelled my DD, and emailed the trust to tell them why, a one liner saying Friday's statement was a disgrace.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 07:23:27
I admire people’s confidence that there are interested parties out there who would not only want to buy the club but also buy it to run it as a successful business & football club.

Maybe I’m being naive because I can’t see why anyone legit would want to touch us - at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 07:27:14
Following on from what DIV has posted even if there were new potential owners out there this could rumble on for a year or even longer which is time we may not have….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 08:15:05
I admire people’s confidence that there are interested parties out there who would not only want to buy the club but also buy it to run it as a successful business & football club.

Maybe I’m being naive because I can’t see why anyone legit would want to touch us - at all.

It doesn't really matter what I or anyone says but I think you'd be surprised.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 08:40:05
Flynn now has a lower win percentage that Maurice Malpas ffs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jevs on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 09:17:08
It doesn't really matter what I or anyone says but I think you'd be surprised.

I hope you are right, but I'm struggling to see it as a good legitimate investment for anyone not at least fond of the club or in a Brewster's millions situation. Any business turning over millions will present opportunities for extracting cash and gifting favours though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 09:17:34
I admire people’s confidence that there are interested parties out there who would not only want to buy the club but also buy it to run it as a successful business & football club.

Maybe I’m being naive because I can’t see why anyone legit would want to touch us - at all.

Despite all the crap going on the one thing we do have is potential. Not many L2 clubs can attract 9K when things are going well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 09:18:31
Flynn now has a lower win percentage that Maurice Malpas ffs
Makes that extension look ever weirder than it was. Like to know the reasoning behind that one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 09:19:46
Despite all the crap going on the one thing we do have is potential. Not many L2 clubs can attract 9K when things are going well.
We’re getting 9k when things are going shite! Albeit dropping off a bit because of said shiteness.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 09:29:42
Flynn now has a lower win percentage that Maurice Malpas ffs

Flitcroft had a 54% win percentage and seemed to be wholly unpopular fwiw.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jevs on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:00:29
Despite all the crap going on the one thing we do have is potential. Not many L2 clubs can attract 9K when things are going well.

Swindon attendances are an oddity really. Our highest league finish in my time was 89/90. I've just had a look at the attendances and we only got over 10k at home when there was massive away support - Wolves, Oxford, Portsmouth, Sheffield Utd & Newcastle. Even if we got a team to those heady heights again, what level of support could we get?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:01:48
Just look at Boxing Day - every single home seat sold.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:01:51
Flitcroft had a 54% win percentage and seemed to be wholly unpopular fwiw.

I don’t think he drew many so almost 50/50 win loss which skewed the reality.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:02:57
Swindon attendances are an oddity really. Our highest league finish in my time was 89/90. I've just had a look at the attendances and we only got over 10k at home when there was massive away support - Wolves, Oxford, Portsmouth, Sheffield Utd & Newcastle. Even if we got a team to those heady heights again, what level of support could we get?

Population of Swindon alone has doubled since then. Surrounding areas too - we’d sell out every week in the championship


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:03:38
Flitcroft had a 54% win percentage and seemed to be wholly unpopular fwiw.

Was also first season we were in League 2 for a number of years so expectation was champions/promotion rather than playoffs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:08:12
So what’s changed from shelling out fees for the previous couple of seasons to going all Scrooge for Flynn’s. I’d imagine the purchase of Hutton, Khan et al is going to bear financial fruit - as did Wakeling. That strategy paid off. Obviously conscious decision to pare down everything.

£2.5m in Admin costs? What the fuck were they? Up over a million from the previous year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:20:37
Just look at Boxing Day - every single home seat sold.

How many of those are to Tourists & Wrexham fans?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:22:17

£2.5m in Admin costs? What the fuck were they? Up over a million from the previous year.

Have you seen the breakdown in costs, would be interested to see that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jevs on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:25:36
Just look at Boxing Day - every single home seat sold.

How much of that is the Ryan Reynolds factor?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:30:01
How much of that is the Ryan Reynolds factor?

Which is bizarre because lets face it, he aint going to be at the CG is he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:31:53
Which is bizarre because lets face it, he aint going to be at the CG is he?

I heard he, Blake and the family took up the Leonardo offer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:32:06
Plus, why as Town fans would have any interest in seeing Reynolds?
Just watch Van Wilder on Netflix and be done with it.

(although personally I’d love to ask him what was going on with the Clue remake/reboot)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 10:45:44
I really don’t understand the hype around the Wrexham match.

I’m not going, I’ve not been for a couple of months because I’ve had enough of everything, you read on here and social media that many are the same. Yet everyone seems to want to see us play Wrexham?  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 12:20:39
Does anyone know what happens to the money if the stadium reverts to SBC if no building work takes place?

In theory, could the Trust block Morfuni and his goons from doing any work in order to force that outcome?

If the money went back to the Eady Trust would that be a preferable to the current arrangement?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 12:36:07
In theory, yes. Doubt the council would want it back mind - plus regurgitating the £2.2m back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 12:39:01
So what’s changed from shelling out fees for the previous couple of seasons to going all Scrooge for Flynn’s. I’d imagine the purchase of Hutton, Khan et al is going to bear financial fruit - as did Wakeling. That strategy paid off. Obviously conscious decision to pare down everything.

£2.5m in Admin costs? What the fuck were they? Up over a million from the previous year.

Didn’t Pee Lower use ‘admin fees’ as a way of syphon ing money out of the club? Clearly Clems freeloading bastards are being fed that way which is why us free.landing bastards need to shell out more next season and trust me we will be. Remember the hoo ha last March? About pricing for this season which the trust managed to persuade the club to ease off on? Can’t see that happening this March, can you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 12:40:37
In theory, yes. Doubt the council would want it back mind - plus regurgitating the £2.2m back.

Are you 100% sure the money would come back?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 12:45:05
Are you 100% sure the money would come back?

I was thinking this, surely if we dont do our end of the deal its a breach of contract.

Dont get your money back if your car is reposessed etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:01:01
As a club we certainly don’t do well with cars - especially those leased.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:08:13
I admire people’s confidence that there are interested parties out there who would not only want to buy the club but also buy it to run it as a successful business & football club.

I didn't say that, but anyone outside of this circle of chancers would be an improvement at the moment.

Its like voting Labour in the hope they won't end up being as big of cunts as tories. Like they're politicians and they probably will end up being cunts as well, but you probably want to take your chances with anyone but the current mob.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:10:22
Swindon attendances are an oddity really. Our highest league finish in my time was 89/90. I've just had a look at the attendances and we only got over 10k at home when there was massive away support - Wolves, Oxford, Portsmouth, Sheffield Utd & Newcastle. Even if we got a team to those heady heights again, what level of support could we get?

Technically bottom of the premier league would be our highest finish.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:13:59
For any Sopranos fans, I feel like we're like Terminator 2 in his sports shop at the moment. Just trying to rinse us until there is nothing left.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:17:48
I didn't say that, but anyone outside of this circle of chancers would be an improvement at the moment.

Its like voting Labour in the hope they won't end up being as big of cunts as tories. Like they're politicians and they probably will end up being cunts as well, but you probably want to take your chances with anyone but the current mob.

No, I know you didn’t say that nor was I attributing what I said in response to anyone in particular.

The Politics analogy is a good one …but… that’s kinda my worry. From my limited view STFC hasn’t been a viable business in 30 odd years so why would anyone legit be interested?

The worry is - we get so focused on getting the current lot out that we completely forget to even consider who we are actually selling too.

It was the right shout to get McROOOARY and co out but it went to Lee Power. It was the right shout to get Lee Power out but it went to Clem (…and all the people who were here with Power anyway)

Whose next?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:23:54
Well if its the same circle of chancers its probably going to be Michael Standing or Chris Kiely.

Adam Hart or Zav Austin wouldn't get approved (although have probably in part been running the show from the start)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:42:25
I really don’t understand the hype around the Wrexham match.

I’m not going, I’ve not been for a couple of months because I’ve had enough of everything, you read on here and social media that many are the same. Yet everyone seems to want to see us play Wrexham?  

Boxing Day for me has always been a family football day. Would’ve gone if it was Wrexham or Harrogate, I’m sure many would be in the same shoes as me, but some would go for the Wrexham factor too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:45:06
Boxing Day for me has always been a family football day. Would’ve gone if it was Wrexham or Harrogate, I’m sure many would be in the same shoes as me, but some would go for the Wrexham factor too.

Yeah same. I'm sure we've sold a fair few to tourists and the like, but I go on Boxing Day every year we're at home and quite a few away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Family at War on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 13:50:48
Christ we are becoming tin pot the next thing will be a half time meat raffle!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: sir windon on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 14:11:58
Basically, there are still so many people the really love the Town. It’s their team and it’s in their blood.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 14:18:46
Some go just to get out of visiting the in-laws I expect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 14:20:12
Christ we are becoming tin pot the next thing will be a half time meat raffle!

Have you not seen the STFC Lotto?

To Audrey - the 2.5m in Admin costs was 21/22 when we spent under 7m in total.  They now claim we are spending over 8m, so expect that bucket of shit to increase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 14:26:36
Does anyone know what happens to the money if the stadium reverts to SBC if no building work takes place?

In theory, could the Trust block Morfuni and his goons from doing any work in order to force that outcome?

If the money went back to the Eady Trust would that be a preferable to the current arrangement?

Not sure that it would revert as such?
Tried to check back but couldn't find it but it might be more a case of an option / first refusal to buy back, which would be unlikely given the state of local government budgets.

Current climate of cynicism aside, strangely the some form of development within 3 years proviso is something that I don't think will be an issue.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 14:40:10
3 routes to success/money

1. Get lucky with a manager and have players that react to adversity. How often does a point deduction etc galvanise a team. Everton, Luton. Leeds. Clems first season had that- we had no chance preseason. In terms of manager- a Steve Evans scenario where you get promoted on shit.

2. Invest in the squad, heavily. Chase promotion and success in the hope for further success. Bournemouth blueprint.

3. Invest in the ground and diversify income. Why has this most important factor get overlooked for the past 25 years. Its beyond me. Every lower league club says they can't survive on income from 24 home games.

Our sole focus should be on number 3 imo. Raise capital. Invest. Build a hotel/conference centre, hospitality, performance venue, gym, casino, flats. Anything. We have been left behind for so many years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:00:25
At present if Clem proves he is more useful than a chocolate teapot and actually manages to increase revenue and put boxes in the DRS, commercial units in a new town end, etc. I just expect it'll go towards Zavs laundry bill and the class A drug industry.

We won't benefit from it. We'll still have next home game signs written in permanent marker.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:07:15
Said for years they need a night club at the CG.
Some players down the years would have put the majority of their wages straight back into the club.
Not mentioning Heywood, Nicholas, O’’Hanlon & Pook by name…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:16:57
It's a good way to help deliver the change you want?

If you can tell me what change the Trust is driving and what value I am seeing from my £120 a year contribution then I am open to listen, just don't bring up the purchase of the ground unless you are turning up with somebody from the Eady trust who facilitated it..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:30:52
Don't get me wrong, it could be a good move but its totally unrealistic prospect at the moment and it doesn't always work.

Let me dig out that Einstien quote..

I don't think even the most ardent of Trust or club supporters can say it is working at the moment, so why not try something that might not work over something that is terminally broke?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:37:16
I really don’t understand the hype around the Wrexham match.

I’m not going, I’ve not been for a couple of months because I’ve had enough of everything, you read on here and social media that many are the same. Yet everyone seems to want to see us play Wrexham? 

I am going on boxing day because it's boxing day, would have gone if we were playing Sutton.  Couldn't give a shit that we happen to be playing FC Hollywood


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:39:18
I didn't say that, but anyone outside of this circle of chancers would be an improvement at the moment.

Its like voting Labour in the hope they won't end up being as big of cunts as tories. Like they're politicians and they probably will end up being cunts as well, but you probably want to take your chances with anyone but the current mob.

Good analogy..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 15:55:24
Do we know if the £8m includes the Morris/Brand pay off, or is that still to come in the following years accounts?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:04:41
Do we know if the £8m includes the Morris/Brand pay off, or is that still to come in the following years accounts?



Surely it can't be because it was only the previous 30 years that we have been mismanaged, not now, any mismanagement now is down to a genuine mistake, everyone makes them guv, they are only human..

Either way, the freeloaders can pick up the bill for that..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bedford Red on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:05:53
Swindon attendances are an oddity really. Our highest league finish in my time was 89/90. I've just had a look at the attendances and we only got over 10k at home when there was massive away support - Wolves, Oxford, Portsmouth, Sheffield Utd & Newcastle. Even if we got a team to those heady heights again, what level of support could we get?

Crowd's weren't great overall in the 80's, they only started picking up after the World Cup in Italy in 1990. Also, our last six home matches that season were made all ticket (i think by the police although not sure), so probably affected the attendances for those a bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:17:03
Cant see Morris and Brand being on mega money? 200k a year tops surely?

Then again, knowing this lot and some of the decisions they have made


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:21:13
Just wondering what the cost is for an away game staying overnight in a hotel £2000 maybe🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:31:07
Just wondering what the cost is for an away game staying overnight in a hotel £2000 maybe🤔

Someone posted a picture in here from Kings Lynn & they paid out something like £4.5k for their game away at Southport, so can’t imagine ours would be less (unless we are making the players take their own packed lunch again)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:35:12
Cant see Morris and Brand being on mega money? 200k a year tops surely?

Then again, knowing this lot and some of the decisions they have made

I can’t believe that Morris was getting paid about half of what Jack Payne was paid here.
I’m sure it was closer to £5k to £10k for the two of them, which based on a 3 year deal is a significant amount.
If that wasn’t included in the £8m, then the next set of accounts could be even worse which is a scary thought.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:39:00
Someone from within the industry told me once that the majority of Manager contracts have clauses which state that only ~6 months wages are paid in event of dismissal. This lines up with what Clem said on his last Panel appearance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:40:47
Someone posted a picture in here from Kings Lynn & they paid out something like £4.5k for their game away at Southport, so can’t imagine ours would be less (unless we are making the players take their own packed lunch again)

That was me🤣 I didn’t know if league clubs got better deals considering the amount of hangers on that travel!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:41:44
Someone from within the industry told me once that the majority of Manager contracts have clauses which state that only ~6 months wages are paid in event of dismissal. This lines up with what Clem said on his last Panel appearance.
Are you starting a collection? If so, I’m in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:45:17
Trying to think of any clubs where fans have successfully boycotted games or left early on mass in protest about ownership but hit a blank.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:48:22
Are you starting a collection? If so, I’m in.
:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:50:25
Trying to think of any clubs where fans have successfully boycotted games or left early on mass in protest about ownership but hit a blank.
Luton in the early 2000's ring a bell. Documentary on the BBC (available on YouTube) about it too. Believe Power was involved in that consortium too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 16:52:35
Luton in the early 2000's ring a bell. Documentary on the BBC (available on YouTube) about it too. Believe Power was involved in that consortium too.


Cheers I’ll check it out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 17:30:56
I didn't say that, but anyone outside of this circle of chancers would be an improvement at the moment.

Its like voting Labour in the hope they won't end up being as big of cunts as tories. Like they're politicians and they probably will end up being cunts as well, but you probably want to take your chances with anyone but the current mob.

I’m politically homeless

The Tories are bad, but promise me Labour are worse- have lived through several Labour governments and every one been beyond terrible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 17:38:33
I don’t get this we are not an attractive proposition

1) We now own the ground
2) big gates for this division
3) history
4) potential within our catchment area

Problem is at the moment is the chancers and hangers on. We are told that we spend out £8.2m a year with over £2m in admin expenses- what does the admin expenses consist of exactly?

Looking at Exeters accounts on lower gates than us even fan owned in the short term we would be better off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 18:00:01
I am going on boxing day because it's boxing day, would have gone if we were playing Sutton.  Couldn't give a shit that we happen to be playing FC Hollywood

Ditto


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 18:53:09
I don’t get this we are not an attractive proposition

1) We now own the ground
2) big gates for this division
3) history
4) potential within our catchment area

Problem is at the moment is the chancers and hangers on. We are told that we spend out £8.2m a year with over £2m in admin expenses- what does the admin expenses consist of exactly?

Looking at Exeters accounts on lower gates than us even fan owned in the short term we would be better off

The issue isn’t what is known, it’s what isn’t known.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 19:53:11
I’m politically homeless

The Tories are bad, but promise me Labour are worse- have lived through several Labour governments and every one been beyond terrible.

Yeah same. I wouldn't vote for Labour either but it was the best analogy I could think of. I don't have to vote, but I do have to give a shit who owns us, unfortunately. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Sunday, December 17, 2023, 23:28:54
Swindon attendances are an oddity really. Our highest league finish in my time was 89/90. I've just had a look at the attendances and we only got over 10k at home when there was massive away support - Wolves, Oxford, Portsmouth, Sheffield Utd & Newcastle. Even if we got a team to those heady heights again, what level of support could we get?
covids razer


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, December 18, 2023, 01:40:27
The issue isn’t what is known, it’s what isn’t known.

or maybe, what could be known?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 18, 2023, 03:39:53
Robert....
Very right what you are saying.
Trouble is it's probably gone to far down the track for this to happen.
In truth we don't even know who the club is owned by any longer. All we do know is the shareholding and shareholders and 1 x Director.
The side agreements are not shown and therefore not visible.
We then wonder why no good person wants to buy into this shit situation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sippo on Monday, December 18, 2023, 08:49:48
I heard, and is probably bull shit, that Austin is on circa £10k a week. Now that is poor business if true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jilted John on Monday, December 18, 2023, 08:53:24
I heard, and is probably bull shit, that Austin is on circa £10k a week. Now that is poor business if true.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Not a hope in hell is he on anywhere near that, £2k pw at absolute most, some people love streading lies and a few believe them too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, December 18, 2023, 08:59:35
I heard, and is probably bull shit, that Austin is on circa £10k a week. Now that is poor business if true.

That would mean more than 1/4 of the overall budget going on one player. No chance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:05:45
I heard, and is probably bull shit, that Austin is on circa £10k a week. Now that is poor business if true.
For that much, he can start knocking down Stratton bank in his spare time and put the vacuum cleaner around the place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:12:55
I'd imagine between £4.5k and £6k


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:34:40
See Carlisle’s new American owners have made a statement by agreeing a transfer for Luke Armstrong for January


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:38:00
I heard, and is probably bull shit, that Austin is on circa £10k a week. Now that is poor business if true.

As much as I love CA,  its a massive shame he's dropped off after early contributions (as has everyone). I would hate to have his career ended by being sacrificial lamb if he was consuming that much of a wage.

I still think he has a contribution to make, just not as automatic starter.

Weirdly I saw a post on the FB group not so long ago asking if anyone else has heard boxing day will be his last game. I very much doubt it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:40:51
Austin is an interesting one for me. I personally am going to go knee-jerk and say I think he's now very much past it. Everything he seems to do is ponderous and lethargic. With that said, he'll still got the ability to sniff out a chance, he was very unlucky with his header which was well saved on Saturday. But the rest of his game, to me, looks like it's being played in slow motion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:47:16
I'd imagine between £4.5k and £6k

One of those websites that publish football wages has Austin & Kemp as the highest earners on £3,400 per week with an overall total of £36k per week for the first team squad.

Might not be 100% accurate but does seem in the right ballpark.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:51:24
Maybe 10k a month - never 10 a week.

I think he still has something to offer but only in the penalty areas. Either defending set pieces or getting on the end of things.

Very little reason for him to be else where on the pitch.
What we are asking him to do - or what he is taking upon himself to do, is not the right way for a player of his age and attributes to play.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 18, 2023, 09:57:04
One of those websites that publish football wages has Austin & Kemp as the highest earners on £3,400 per week with an overall total of £36k per week for the first team squad.

Might not be 100% accurate but does seem in the right ballpark.

If that's true and we were to sell/release CA that would be a good amount of budget to get bodies in in January. Whether that happens is another matter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sippo on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:06:09
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Not a hope in hell is he on anywhere near that, £2k pw at absolute most, some people love streading lies and a few believe them too.

I rarely make shit up. Just passing on info. Clem was desperate to get him here, get the fans on side. To me it makes sense. One of the higher earners at the club based on reputation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:06:58
I'd be surprised if Austin wasn't the highest earner at the club, but I'd equally be surprised if he was on three times more than anyone else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:07:38
Maybe 10k a month - never 10 a week.

I think he still has something to offer but only in the penalty areas. Either defending set pieces or getting on the end of things.

Very little reason for him to be else where on the pitch.
What we are asking him to do - or what he is taking upon himself to do, is not the right way for a player of his age and attributes to play.
Absolutely.

Play Austin in the correct role and he can still offer a lot, but do not seem to be utilising him very well this term, play him as a striker and he can still do a job at this level.

And as for £10k per week, no way is he going tobe on more than double what we have ever paid for any player in our history.

Payne was said to be on £5k at Lincoln and we only contributed half of that and he was said to be our highest paid player ever at that point.

Austin is far from the cause of our budget problems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jilted John on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:13:33
I rarely make shit up. Just passing on info. Clem was desperate to get him here, get the fans on side. To me it makes sense. One of the higher earners at the club based on reputation.
I was not directing the "people telling lies" at you but to whoever told you that.

We have not and will not ever pay a player that much, it must be 5 times the next highest waged player at the club, yes Austin has every right to be the highest paid player but it wont be more than double the next highest wage.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:36:04
Absolutely.

Play Austin in the correct role and he can still offer a lot, but do not seem to be utilising him very well this term, play him as a striker and he can still do a job at this level.

And as for £10k per week, no way is he going tobe on more than double what we have ever paid for any player in our history.

Payne was said to be on £5k at Lincoln and we only contributed half of that and he was said to be our highest paid player ever at that point.

Austin is far from the cause of our budget problems.

Leon Clarke on 6k per week i thought?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:45:47

Play Austin in the correct role and he can still offer a lot, but do not seem to be utilising him very well this term, play him as a striker and he can still do a job at this level.


Sadly i completely disagree. He is gone. He was there to finish ultimately and he has missed so many easy chances this season. If he can't do that then he shouldn't be here.

He helps defensively at set pieces but thats about it. He can't win the ball up top anymore, he is so slow that he struggles to accept any little pass played forwards, it happened multiple times on Sat.

Sadly he could be getting paid 2k and he's not worth it at this point.

I hope this is his last contract. Though we need to sign 3 forwards in Jan already as it is!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:53:23
Leon Clarke on 6k per week i thought?
I hadn't heard it was that it was that much, but you could be right, worth every penny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 10:55:03
Sadly i completely disagree. He is gone. He was there to finish ultimately and he has missed so many easy chances this season. If he can't do that then he shouldn't be here.

He helps defensively at set pieces but thats about it. He can't win the ball up top anymore, he is so slow that he struggles to accept any little pass played forwards, it happened multiple times on Sat.

Sadly he could be getting paid 2k and he's not worth it at this point.

I hope this is his last contract. Though we need to sign 3 forwards in Jan already as it is!
Oh Charlie has missed several sitters by his standards, finishing like Shade does, but I think if he is played in the right role he can still add to this team.

As it stands I agree hes almost a waste of a wage, whatever that wage is, but sticking him in midfield as has been done this season will do no one any favours.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, December 18, 2023, 11:14:24
Oh Charlie has missed several sitters by his standards, finishing like Shade does, but I think if he is played in the right role he can still add to this team.

As it stands I agree hes almost a waste of a wage, whatever that wage is, but sticking him in midfield as has been done this season will do no one any favours.

I don't think he has been moved to midfield though. He ends up there as he has no legs anymore. Kemp gets asked to do Austins closing down and running, so he pushes up alongside Young to press from the front and as a result Charlie drops in to fill Kemp's slot when we are without the ball. He is so slow then that even on transition he is in the wrong spot most of the time. Sure you could just leave him up top, but if you want to press the ball and win it high up, then you may as well play with 10 men sadly. Sadly his finishing has not been good enough to carry him as a striker that just stays in the box and offers little outside that. Its a shame, but it happens.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 18, 2023, 11:25:35
Wouldnt be surprised to see him rip up his contract in January and pack it in to be honest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, December 18, 2023, 11:27:24
Does anyone think (given his defensive work at set pieces) that Austin could finish his career at centre back?
Those of us old enough to go back to the days of Andy Rowland will probably recall that towards the end of his time with Town he played at centre half for a fairly long spell. I think initially an injury crisis triggered the move, but it went on for a while.

I think a lack of pace may hinder that option of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 18, 2023, 11:43:26
I don't think he has been moved to midfield though. He ends up there as he has no legs anymore. Kemp gets asked to do Austins closing down and running, so he pushes up alongside Young to press from the front and as a result Charlie drops in to fill Kemp's slot when we are without the ball. He is so slow then that even on transition he is in the wrong spot most of the time. Sure you could just leave him up top, but if you want to press the ball and win it high up, then you may as well play with 10 men sadly. Sadly his finishing has not been good enough to carry him as a striker that just stays in the box and offers little outside that. Its a shame, but it happens.
Prior to the run of games with Young/Kemp up top, there had been very little option to manage Austin's minutes whilst also keeping an quasi attacking formation.
As you say it's a shame, but time ravages us all (look at Batch's knee as a good example of someone struck down in their prime)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 18, 2023, 11:44:01
Does anyone think (given his defensive work at set pieces) that Austin could finish his career at centre back?
Those of us old enough to go back to the days of Andy Rowland will probably recall that towards the end of his time with Town he played at centre half for a fairly long spell. I think initially an injury crisis triggered the move, but it went on for a while.

I think a lack of pace may hinder that option of course.
In this squad? Yes, but more out of sheer panic than a burning desire to reskill


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:06:28
Someone on Facebook has popped up saying the next owner will be Scandinavian. When asked if this something they've heard or just a prediction, no further details were provided.

Well it's something


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:10:34
Someone on Facebook has popped up saying the next owner will be Scandinavian. When asked if this something they've heard or just a prediction, no further details were provided.

Well it's something
(https://www.daveockop.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/jan-aage-fjortoft-twitter.webp)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:10:55
Magical wish of the day: Stefan Persson lives in Ramsbury. Has $28bn. Loves football. Always hoped he'd get involved. I'd be happy with that.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:17:15
Leon Clarke on 6k per week i thought?

For the whole 2 weeks he was here?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:32:38
Magical wish of the day: Stefan Persson lives in Ramsbury. Has $28bn. Loves football. Always hoped he'd get involved. I'd be happy with that.


Oh a boy could dream!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:46:26
Said for years they need a night club at the CG.
Some players down the years would have put the majority of their wages straight back into the club.
Not mentioning Heywood, Nicholas, O’’Hanlon & Pook by name…

Andy Nicholas loved Casbah too much for that. Top floor next to the fruity and womens toilets, like clockwork every Saturday night.

Bought me drink once though to be fair to him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:53:03
For that much, he can start knocking down Stratton bank in his spare time and put the vacuum cleaner around the place.

Comes form a family of builders I think. Get them in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:54:09
As much as I love CA,  its a massive shame he's dropped off after early contributions (as has everyone). I would hate to have his career ended by being sacrificial lamb if he was consuming that much of a wage.

I still think he has a contribution to make, just not as automatic starter.

Weirdly I saw a post on the FB group not so long ago asking if anyone else has heard boxing day will be his last game. I very much doubt it.

Even if he was on that much (realistically, he isn't) it isn't his fucking fault the clubs a mess.

People just direct their anger at all the wrong places.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:54:57
Austin is an interesting one for me. I personally am going to go knee-jerk and say I think he's now very much past it. Everything he seems to do is ponderous and lethargic. With that said, he'll still got the ability to sniff out a chance, he was very unlucky with his header which was well saved on Saturday. But the rest of his game, to me, looks like it's being played in slow motion.

He's always ran like that though. He just had a habit of being right place, right time. Right now he's off the boil but he's trying to do too much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 18, 2023, 12:56:33
Even if he was on that much (realistically, he isn't) it isn't his fucking fault the clubs a mess.

People just direct their anger at all the wrong places.

Agreed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:07:13
Sadly i completely disagree. He is gone. He was there to finish ultimately and he has missed so many easy chances this season. If he can't do that then he shouldn't be here.

He helps defensively at set pieces but thats about it. He can't win the ball up top anymore, he is so slow that he struggles to accept any little pass played forwards, it happened multiple times on Sat.

Sadly he could be getting paid 2k and he's not worth it at this point.

I hope this is his last contract. Though we need to sign 3 forwards in Jan already as it is!

Thing is, if you do through a shit spell at 24 you just go through a shit spell. If you do it at 34, everyone says you're shot.

Athletes just wake up one day and don't have it anymore, for some its their late 20s, some rare cases go on even in to their late 40s or early 50s (usually fight sports, Randy Couture, Bernard Hopkins, etc).

His time may have come, but there is a lot of evidence pointing towards that might not be the case with him dropping to deep, etc. But people might be looking at things that aren't there.

He runs the same as he did in his first spell here, like he shit himself and doing something weird with his arms.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:15:26
Magical wish of the day: Stefan Persson lives in Ramsbury. Has $28bn. Loves football. Always hoped he'd get involved. I'd be happy with that.


Interesting point to add about Stefan Pearson is that he has recently injected £5.5mn into his Ramsbury Estates business on companies house. The logical conclusion is that it's to cover liabilities, but maybe just maybe, it's to use this as a vehicle for purchasing the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:19:50
Someone on Facebook has popped up saying the next owner will be Scandinavian. When asked if this something they've heard or just a prediction, no further details were provided.

Well it's something

He then said ask the trust, who haven't said anything.

Speaking of the trust, I did get a response after asking about the detailing from the accounts.....

"Hi Steve

Thanks for the note. First of all, let me start by saying that I completely understand the point you are making with these questions.

To answer, the financial exercise is not over, and the conversations are ongoing, and I spent the whole day yesterday working on something which I hope will help move this along.

We can't play much at all out in the public space because the public space has become a little unreasonable and anything that is said is taken in a negative way by some (I even got verbally abused by two foul-mouthed fans in front of my teenage son and other kids at the weekend)

More generally, it's good to remember that the Trust is made up of a cross-section of fans and that new people will need to join the Trust board in February. Personally, I want to close out my time with the Trust in the right way, pass on my experiences, and then we all need to work together, the club, the fans and the local media. We are also in a Joint Venture of course and that needs protecting.

Anyway, thanks again for contacting in a normal and reasonable way and asking the questions.

Let's hope 2024 brings some smiles back to our faces.

Regards,
Steve M."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:23:38
Interesting point to add about Stefan Pearson is that he has recently injected £5.5mn into his Ramsbury Estates business on companies house. The logical conclusion is that it's to cover liabilities, but maybe just maybe, it's to use this as a vehicle for purchasing the club.

If ever I've wanted 2 and 2 to add up to make 4.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:30:02
If ever I've wanted 2 and 2 to add up to make 4.
Absolutely, but my thought is why would any astute businessman want to pay a large amunt of money for a club who appear to be in a state on and off the field and who to seem to not be able to balance the books?

I think its a little more than "wishful thinking" I think its that old pie up in the sky.

If Clem and co sell us then it will be to another set of aquaintances who will do their best to bleed us dry.

Yes I am bitter with ALL our recent owners since Black.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:30:13
Yea, billionaires aren't exactly known for their propensity to chuck their money into shitty little clubs like ours. We'll get moved along to another one of Clem's/Zav's/Kieley's mates, the gravy train of all the business side deals is too good to let go of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:32:48
Absolutely, but my thought is why would any astute businessman want to pay a large amunt of money for a club who appear to be in a state on and off the field and who to seem to not be able to balance the books?

I think its a little more than "wishful thinking" I think its that old pie up in the sky.

If Clem and co sell us then it will be to another set of aquaintances who will do their best to bleed us dry.

Yes I am bitter with ALL our recent owners since Black.

I'm bitter with Black too!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:39:32
Absolutely, but my thought is why would any astute businessman want to pay a large amunt of money for a club who appear to be in a state on and off the field and who to seem to not be able to balance the books?

I think its a little more than "wishful thinking" I think its that old pie up in the sky.

If Clem and co sell us then it will be to another set of aquaintances who will do their best to bleed us dry.

Yes I am bitter with ALL our recent owners since Black.
Well, £7m or so to buy STFC is chicken feed if you’ve got £21 billion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:40:43
Well, £7m or so to buy STFC is chicken feed if you’ve got £21 billion.

Can just pay Clem over a year from his interest he earns on that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 13:57:00
Well, £7m or so to buy STFC is chicken feed if you’ve got £21 billion.
It is but you dont become a billionaire by buying broken dreams for £7m/£15m (or any of the other figure currently bandied around).

A billionaire buying a delapadated shit football club is the best way to become a millionaire!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:05:12
It is but you dont become a billionaire by buying broken dreams for £7m/£15m (or any of the other figure currently bandied around).

A billionaire buying a delapadated shit football club is the best way to become a millionaire!



Only if he has a CEO of the calibre of Hall of Shame.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:06:53
It’s the same as having £210m and only having to pay £70k for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:09:41
Only if he has a CEO of the calibre of Hall of Shame.
Hall when he played for Bury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saa7OQKWMCM&t=10s


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:10:16
It’s the same as having £210m and only having to pay £70k for the club.
I fully understand your logic but billionaires dont waste money, thats why they are billionaires.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:33:04
I fully understand your logic but billionaires dont waste money, thats why they are billionaires.

Plenty of billionaires have bought football clubs though, just never seems to happen to us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:36:35
I fully understand your logic but billionaires dont waste money, thats why they are billionaires.
Why does anybody buy a football club using that logic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:40:29
When do next year's season ticket prices come out? Tempted  :naughty:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:42:40
There will be plenty to go around :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:52:23
Why does anybody buy a football club using that logic.
No billionaire owns any club outside of the Premier or Championship and are very very unlikely ever to do so.

We just arent a big enough worm to catch a monster fish.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:54:42
No billionaire owns any club outside of the Premier or Championship and are very very unlikely ever to do so.

We just arent a big enough worm to catch a monster fish.

Michael Eisner?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 18, 2023, 14:54:58
What about those lot down the A420? My point is wealthy people do buy football clubs - even at our level.

What was the allure of Wrexham or Carlisle?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:00:14
Michael Eisner?
£850M last Forbes list.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:02:17
People who live local and who are excessively wealthy sometimes get involved with clubs just to bail them out. This the exact scenario which led to both Derby's and Wigan's recent takeovers, and Dale Vince at FGR, and Fitton et Al with us. Given the dire straits we currently seem to be in, and there being a billionaire who lives ~25 mins from the ground, it's not out of the realms of possibility that they may acquire a club just to save it from going under. Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to fund us to the moon etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:26:24
Perhaps a bit biased here
But what is the current difference between Swindon Bristl Rovers and Reading that an odd 15 million couldn't put right.
Upgrade the established freehold stadium with ready made fan based support.
Proven dedicated die hard fans who are just wanting a bit of success and TLC to keep them happy.
Far better prospect than FGR Cheltenham Bath RFU Gloucester RFU and the likes.
Am I the only person that can see this ???



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:29:47
Just a bunch of chancers  that are stopping this club to go forward and get ahead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:38:55
Just a bunch of chancers  that are stopping this club to go forward and get ahead.

Correct. Difficult to force them out either when literal gangsters are involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, December 18, 2023, 15:56:12
The original poster has now removed their Scandinavian owner post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 18, 2023, 16:55:10
The original poster has now removed their Scandinavian owner post.

Weird troll if that is what it is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Monday, December 18, 2023, 18:25:48
A new sponsor, maybe we finally have enough to balance the books... Right?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/swindon-town-fc-partner-with-nuffield-health--in-club-wide-agreement-across-mens-womens-and-academy-teams


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 18, 2023, 19:18:07
A new sponsor, maybe we finally have enough to balance the books... Right?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/swindon-town-fc-partner-with-nuffield-health--in-club-wide-agreement-across-mens-womens-and-academy-teams

We probably owe them money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, December 18, 2023, 19:22:12
He then said ask the trust, who haven't said anything.

Speaking of the trust, I did get a response after asking about the detailing from the accounts.....

"Hi Steve

Thanks for the note. First of all, let me start by saying that I completely understand the point you are making with these questions.

To answer, the financial exercise is not over, and the conversations are ongoing, and I spent the whole day yesterday working on something which I hope will help move this along.

We can't play much at all out in the public space because the public space has become a little unreasonable and anything that is said is taken in a negative way by some (I even got verbally abused by two foul-mouthed fans in front of my teenage son and other kids at the weekend)

More generally, it's good to remember that the Trust is made up of a cross-section of fans and that new people will need to join the Trust board in February. Personally, I want to close out my time with the Trust in the right way, pass on my experiences, and then we all need to work together, the club, the fans and the local media. We are also in a Joint Venture of course and that needs protecting.

Anyway, thanks again for contacting in a normal and reasonable way and asking the questions.

Let's hope 2024 brings some smiles back to our faces.

Regards,
Steve M."

The abuse in the stands is way beyond the line, but the tone of this smacks of someone who doesn’t get it and is blind to concerns

Working together in peaceful harmony is great when everyone is acting in good faith. But club ownership have proven they don’t act in good faith - so why are the trust hesitant to call that out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Monday, December 18, 2023, 19:32:35
Magical wish of the day: Stefan Persson lives in Ramsbury. Has $28bn. Loves football. Always hoped he'd get involved. I'd be happy with that.


persson also runs mentor foundation that helps against drugs abuse with yuong kids
ironically that might come in handy after getting rid of the likes of zav and hart
sniff sniff


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 18, 2023, 19:34:28
The abuse in the stands is way beyond the line, but the tone of this smacks of someone who doesn’t get it and is blind to concerns

Working together in peaceful harmony is great when everyone is acting in good faith. But club ownership have proven they don’t act in good faith - so why are the trust hesitant to call that out
Because those in the Trust are probably kind hearted football fans who want to try to help the club, rather than being crooks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, December 18, 2023, 19:38:40
Trying to help the club =/= trying to help the owners


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Monday, December 18, 2023, 19:52:50
Magical wish of the day: Stefan Persson lives in Ramsbury. Has $28bn. Loves football. Always hoped he'd get involved. I'd be happy with that.



Fitton et al tried getting Persson on board a number of years back. I don't believe he's particularly interested in football, although does have a mild interest in IFK Gothenburg.

He did own The Bell in Ramsbury, not sure if that's still the case.

He also once outbid another billionaire to purchase a village in Hants;

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2009/may/25/fashion-billionaire-buys-hampshire-village&ved=2ahUKEwjJyaW04ZmDAxUg_7sIHXqdAY0QFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1V8e9_CmdZ0QzxBcZBod83


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 18, 2023, 20:06:21
Fitton et al tried getting Persson on board a number of years back. I don't believe he's particularly interested in football, although does have a mild interest in IFK Gothenburg.

He did own The Bell in Ramsbury, not sure if that's still the case.

He also once outbid another billionaire to purchase a village in Hants;

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/money/2009/may/25/fashion-billionaire-buys-hampshire-village&ved=2ahUKEwjJyaW04ZmDAxUg_7sIHXqdAY0QFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1V8e9_CmdZ0QzxBcZBod83

According to Wiki -

"He is a supporter of Djurgårdens IF and is co-funding a foundation for the club."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 18, 2023, 20:09:23
Trying to help the club =/= trying to help the owners

Worth reminding people of this regularly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Monday, December 18, 2023, 20:40:21
According to Wiki -

"He is a supporter of Djurgårdens IF and is co-funding a foundation for the club."
Ah, I was going off memory tbh so that may well be correct!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, December 18, 2023, 22:29:38
Flynns becoming to come across as a bit of a tit in his interviews isnt he?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23997783.swindon-town-must-eat-sleep-live-right-christmas/

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23996871.michael-flynn-not-worried-swindon-town-lack-chances/





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 00:58:32
thinking if clem purposley did things to put town into an embargo vwollah solves the problem of him having to find money to sign players and would only have to fulfil the bare min
imagine that
and i think we can still sell under embargo to
https://www.efl.com/governance/embargoes/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 06:50:02
interesting idea, think that's a step too far on the CT front for me.

That said, we did appoint Morris just in time for deadline day last year. hmm


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 08:34:36
As an aside, there is at least some investment on the pitch (literally). We had the "grow light" out last night in the Town End penalty area. Must have needed grass repair/strengthening.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 09:28:19
You’d have thought with the absence of our defenders one half and the lack of our strikers second half the grass must be virtually untouched.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 11:07:01
As an aside, there is at least some investment on the pitch (literally). We had the "grow light" out last night in the Town End penalty area. Must have needed grass repair/strengthening.


We’ve had them for a couple of seasons now to give the grass in shaded areas some light in the winter months. Only surprise is we’re still paying the electric cost to use them but then again the cost of a postponed game would soon outweigh the electricity bill.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 21:16:42
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/19/lawyer-apologises-for-saying-michelle-mone-was-not-linked-to-ppe-firm

A surprisingly familiar name appears in this article on the various lawyers who have been acting for Michelle Mone in denying she had anything to do with dodgy PPE procurement.

His Trust Hero award sadly does not get a mention. Nor his wife's shareholding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 19, 2023, 21:58:22
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/19/lawyer-apologises-for-saying-michelle-mone-was-not-linked-to-ppe-firm

A surprisingly familiar name appears in this article on the various lawyers who have been acting for Michelle Mone in denying she had anything to do with dodgy PPE procurement.

His Trust Hero award sadly does not get a mention. Nor his wife's shareholding.


Eddie was also a beneficiary when BHS went pop.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/07/over-a-third-of-proceeds-from-84m-bhs-loan-went-to-four-directors

Hardly surprising someone of his 'calibre' is involved I'm STFC is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 08:00:26
A man is known by the company he keeps.

Between Dominic Chappell (BHS), Michelle Mone and Clem Morfuni, it’s not looking great for Eddie is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 08:18:22
A man is known by the company he keeps.

To be absolutely fair, expensive lawyers rarely end up representing stand up people with no legal concerns. But it's not what you'd hope to see an erm... close relative of one of our shareholders in the news for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 08:23:54
To be absolutely fair, expensive lawyers rarely end up representing stand up people with no legal concerns. But it's not what you'd hope to see an erm... close relative of one of our shareholders in the news for.

Oh for sure. I’m past being fair!

But they also don’t usually end up with shareholdings in football clubs (via their wives).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 09:04:17
We’ve had them for a couple of seasons now to give the grass in shaded areas some light in the winter months. Only surprise is we’re still paying the electric cost to use them but then again the cost of a postponed game would soon outweigh the electricity bill.

Ah, fair enough. Even so the grounds man (I assume) was there. Good to know the many ordinary people at the club are as hard working and diligent as ever.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 09:07:13
shareholdings in football clubs (via their wives).

Is it definitely his wife - same surname and related I'm sure. Reason for asking is there was uncertainty it was his wife at the time. Hair splitting.

There is nothing to suggest Eddie P has done anything wrong here. Not a good look for him and his firm in the PR dept but I'm sure the legal professional body will kick off if he is Lionel Hutz


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 09:13:47
Ah, fair enough. Even so the grounds man (I assume) was there. Good to know the many ordinary people at the club are as hard working and diligent as ever.

I think it's important to recognise and remember that there are some fantastic hard working 'ordinary' people at the club who do a brilliant job on a day to day basis. Yes on the face of things the club appears to be run like a non-league entity cutting costs of everything to an inch of it's life but there are some great people that continue to work bloody hard and these are the people that I feel for. They deserve for the business to be run properly. Hopefully this might be rectified sooner rather than later.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 09:49:07
I think it's important to recognise and remember that there are some fantastic hard working 'ordinary' people at the club who do a brilliant job on a day to day basis. Yes on the face of things the club appears to be run like a non-league entity cutting costs of everything to an inch of it's life but there are some great people that continue to work bloody hard and these are the people that I feel for. They deserve for the business to be run properly. Hopefully this might be rectified sooner rather than later.
Great point Bob. We did a hospitality package in the Robins Lounge (which I think is new) for the Mansfield game and everything about it was really good...catering was excellent, Chris Hull was hosting and he's great at what he does and all the staff were brilliant. The result helped of course but I couldn't fault it overall. In addition to that, I booked our Crawley tickets (I know...I need help, may well be my last game of the season though) on Monday and got them in the post on Tuesday...which I thought was nothing short of miraculous...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 09:55:56
Great point Bob. We did a hospitality package in the Robins Lounge (which I think is new) for the Mansfield game and everything about it was really good...catering was excellent, Chris Hull was hosting and he's great at what he does and all the staff were brilliant. The result helped of course but I couldn't fault it overall. In addition to that, I booked our Crawley tickets (I know...I need help, may well be my last game of the season though) on Monday and got them in the post on Tuesday...which I thought was nothing short of miraculous...

Great to hear OST, glad you enjoyed Mansfield, my dad and I also enjoyed that game. (the way it ended had a big factor in that) Apart from the crappy ticketmaster online experience, I've always been really impressed with how quickly I get sent my tickets for away games, usually within a day or 2 at the most. (I don't live near Swindon so collection is never really an option)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 09:57:14
Is it definitely his wife - same surname and related I'm sure. Reason for asking is there was uncertainty it was his wife at the time. Hair splitting.

There is nothing to suggest Eddie P has done anything wrong here. Not a good look for him and his firm in the PR dept but I'm sure the legal professional body will kick off if he is Lionel Hutz

Mrs P has her own skin care line https://www.dualskincare.com/ and at this stage must be the most successful business owner in the boardroom.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 19:09:36
Happy Christmas all -

We three kings of Swindon are
Bearing gifts we traverse afar
Money Laundering Kirachi and Pawning
Following yonder star

O Clem of Wonder, Hall at night
Loan players returning, doesn’t look bright
National League leading, falling and reeling
Guide us to a club that is right 

Freeloaders we are on Swindon’s plain
Refunds we gave to crown him again
Ripped off forever, confident never
Ownership issues to reign

O Clem of Wonder, Hall at night
Loan players returning, doesn’t look bright
National League leading, falling and reeling 
Guide us to a club that is right 

Points deductions to offer have I
Young and Kemp to say goodbye
Supporters not praising Prices are raising 
All we get is lie after lie 

O Clem of Wonder, Hall at night
Loan players returning, doesn’t look bright
National League leading, falling and reeling 
Guide us to a club that is right

Injuries mounting the same old tune
Following this club it’s always gloom
Our rivals are thriving
Swindon are dying
Can only hope they clear off soon

 
O Clem of Wonder, Hall at night
Loan players returning, doesn’t look bright
National League leading, falling and reeling 
Guide us to a club that is right


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 19:30:37
Nice work Duke.

What can we do but hope for a brighter future for this great club.  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 19:49:01
Very good!  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 19:55:41
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: digby on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 21:47:05
 ;D  Brilliant !   :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, December 20, 2023, 23:28:21
I see one of the Trust board members has gone on a liking rampage of any Tweet that is critical of the Trust tonight. They really are broken aren’t they?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 04:48:34
On Kieran Maguire price of football podcast again today


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 04:49:25
I see one of the Trust board members has gone on a liking rampage of any Tweet that is critical of the Trust tonight. They really are broken aren’t they?!

Who was that?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 04:50:28
Oh dear Duke.... didn't know that they had poets in Harwell or was this skill picked during your wonderous time at Birinius???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 06:53:24
Who was that?
https://twitter.com/scuba_thomas/likes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 07:24:59
Don’t worry, Clem is back this week to sort it all out!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 07:25:48
Or wrap things up😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 07:45:33
Quote from: tans
On Kieran Maguire price of football podcast again today

anything good? I'll try to listen on way to work


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 08:21:38
On Kieran Maguire price of football podcast again today

TBH given how he uncritically joined in the Clem cheerleading I’m not sure he’s worth bothering with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 09:00:28
anything good? I'll try to listen on way to work
Just a rehash of what we already knew really. Only thing to add is that Maguire tends to try and categorise the owners that appear on his show as either incompetent or scumbags, but said Morfuni seemed to be bit of an exception and was more in the naive category for not realising how much it would cost to run a club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 09:17:52
That seems charitable, I wonder if he's also naive about the rules and regulations of owning and running a football club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 09:27:33
That seems charitable, I wonder if he's also naive about the rules and regulations of owning and running a football club

Indeed.

Just a bit naive… and surrounded by ex-cons.

Also, how has the cost of running a club come as a surprise to a man who was part of the previous regime for years?

As I say Maguire doesn’t seem to do much more than have a cursory glance, which I guess is understandable given the breadth of his podcast but he has been part of the media Clem-washing for sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:09:55
I see one of the Trust board members has gone on a liking rampage of any Tweet that is critical of the Trust tonight. They really are broken aren’t they?!

That's Former Drummer Boy of this Parish I believe.

It's been clear for a while that the Trust board is split. Will be the most interesting AGM for a while.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:20:00
That's Former Drummer Boy of this Parish I believe.

It's been clear for a while that the Trust board is split. Will be the most interesting AGM for a while.
Fair enough, not healthy to have such a clear divide that’s for sure.

Gut feel says a number of individuals on the board enjoy their cosy relationship with Morfuni a little too much and don’t want to jeopardise that so make it harder than it should be to actually challenge or be critical of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:23:34
Indeed.

Just a bit naive… and surrounded by ex-cons.

Also, how has the cost of running a club come as a surprise to a man who was part of the previous regime for years?

As I say Maguire doesn’t seem to do much more than have a cursory glance, which I guess is understandable given the breadth of his podcast but he has been part of the media Clem-washing for sure.
But how much access did he have to how the club was being run - financially and ethically. Not getting his shares for his £1.1m should have been an eye-opener. How much time did he actually spend at the club - I Can't imagine much. Power was a master of hiding stuff and Clem seems a bit of a plum.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:23:42
I did find the outgoing Chairman’s comments a bit off, referring to a “subset of supporters” rather than acknowledging the clear and present dangers to the future of the club.

At some point a mea culpa from the Trust would help to heal wounds and regain support.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:30:24
But how much access did he have to how the club was being run - financially and ethically. Not getting his shares for his £1.1m should have been an eye-opener. How much time did he actually spend at the club - I Can't imagine much. Power was a master of hiding stuff and Clem seems a bit of a plum.



Plenty of similar sized clubs publish decent accounts as discussed as nauseam.

If the costs of running a L2 club are a shock to him, he must be absolutely criminally stupid and have done literally zero due diligence or research.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:34:56
But how much access did he have to how the club was being run - financially and ethically. Not getting his shares for his £1.1m should have been an eye-opener. How much time did he actually spend at the club - I Can't imagine much. Power was a master of hiding stuff and Clem seems a bit of a plum.



I’d tend to agree, and I think he basically had little choice but to buy the club to protect his money, as he’d of got next to fuck all back when Power sold the club (to himself) at a cut price & put it into administration to write off the debt.

The one positive is that now that most of the money we now own is to Clem, so he’s unlikely to put the club into administration as he will lose his money.

I think he liked the idea of being involved in a football club but didn’t want to own it.
Really think he would sell if he could get his money back, just think there are maybe outside influences stopping him


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:38:28
I’d tend to agree, and I think he basically had little choice but to buy the club to protect his money, as he’d of got next to fuck all back when Power sold the club (to himself) at a cut price & put it into administration to write off the debt.

The one positive is that now that most of the money we now own is to Clem, so he’s unlikely to put the club into administration as he will lose his money.

I think he liked the idea of being involved in a football club but didn’t want to own it.
Really think he would sell if he could get his money back, just think there are maybe outside influences stopping him

Putting £7m+ into a high risk business to “protect” circa £1m isn’t one you’ll find in the textbooks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:41:48
The one positive is that now that most of the money we now own is to Clem, so he’s unlikely to put the club into administration as he will lose his money.
Assuming that the money put in under his name was actually his own money of course and that he wasn’t just a funnel for some money from say individuals that wouldn’t be allowed to own part of the club…..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:43:03
There has always been a bit of conjecture about how well his construction companies have been doing. I know he waxed lyrical about the large turnover (rather than profit), but if they are making large losses and he has creditors chasing money, then my concern is that he is trying to use some of the income from the football club to try and balance those books. (as well as whatever nefarious things may or may not be happening with certain individuals)

This is pure speculation from me by the way, not a notion if this is likely or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:47:31
Gut feel says a number of individuals on the board enjoy their cosy relationship with Morfuni a little too much and don’t want to jeopardise that so make it harder than it should be to actually challenge or be critical of the club.

Seems pretty obvious that is the case, unfortunately. They need outing but with the trusts membership dwindling by the minute there might not be anyone left to get them out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:53:33
Plenty of similar sized clubs publish decent accounts as discussed as nauseam.

If the costs of running a L2 club are a shock to him, he must be absolutely criminally stupid and have done literally zero due diligence or research.
I think you’ve nailed it with the ‘criminally stupid’ bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 10:58:33
Assuming that the money put in under his name was actually his own money of course and that he wasn’t just a funnel for some money from say individuals that wouldn’t be allowed to own part of the club…..

Is that the definitely not vice chairman with a history of money laundering or the 'strength and conditioning' coach who is formerly one of the biggest drug dealers in the country who would have plenty of money to launder?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:19:53
TBH given how he uncritically joined in the Clem cheerleading I’m not sure he’s worth bothering with.
Many of us did, i certainly did and feel an absolute cunt for it too. I was invested on a personal level too and if i am being totally hones it absolutely battered my mental health around 6 months ago on top of other things.

Anyone knows me knows i have washed y hands of it all and stopped going now as well, i will maintain though that his intentions i still believe were good but the rest of the crew involved unfortunately just had too much involvment and he is now fucked. Like i say i have no involvment now and this isn't supportive post far from it but Just be a bit easy on a few who were taken in mate.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:25:34
Many of us did, i certainly did and feel an absolute cunt for it too. I was invested on a personal lecel too and if i am being totally hones it absolutely battered my mental health around 6 months ago on top of other things.

Anyone knows me knows i have washed y hands of it all and stopped going now as well, i will maintain though that his intentions i still believe were good but the rest of the crew involved unfortunately just had too much involvemnet and he is now fucked. Like i say i have no involvement now and this isn't supportive post far from it but Just be a bit easy on a few who were taken in mate. 

Sorry to hear that TBL. Hope you can find a reason to go again. It’s not worth letting them win.

I try and park my views for a few hours on a Saturday and enjoy the day out. Worth a try if you can.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:28:05
Many of us did, i certainly did and feel an absolute cunt for it too. I was invested on a personal level too and if i am being totally hones it absolutely battered my mental health around 6 months ago on top of other things.

Anyone knows me knows i have washed y hands of it all and stopped going now as well, i will maintain though that his intentions i still believe were good but the rest of the crew involved unfortunately just had too much involvment and he is now fucked. Like i say i have no involvment now and this isn't supportive post far from it but Just be a bit easy on a few who were taken in mate. 

Out boxing day? See plenty of old faces as loads going, be a good time to catch up. Might be the last for a while as a lot are making it their last hurrah I think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:29:32
Many of us did, i certainly did and feel an absolute cunt for it too. I was invested on a personal level too and if i am being totally hones it absolutely battered my mental health around 6 months ago on top of other things.

Anyone knows me knows i have washed y hands of it all and stopped going now as well, i will maintain though that his intentions i still believe were good but the rest of the crew involved unfortunately just had too much involvment and he is now fucked. Like i say i have no involvment now and this isn't supportive post far from it but Just be a bit easy on a few who were taken in mate.  

Somewhat of an ‘I’m Spartacus’ moment. So I’ll step forward and join in with Tailbetweenlegs and add myself to that list. I personally thanked Clem when he appeared like the second coming at Supermarine 2 1/2 years ago for ‘saving our club’. On the face of it at the time he did, now I’m not so sure. Looking very much like from the frying pan into the fire now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:32:48
Let’s not pretend otherwise.

Whether it was tip of the ice berg stuff - the first 12 months under Clem went extremely well & no one gave his intentions and the clubs finances a second thought.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:37:51
Doesn't make it right though mate does it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:44:43
I was celebrating like anyone when Clem won the court case.

There were red flags early but they were more orange at first.

Its been a slow realisation for the fan base with only the happiest of happy clappers left. Some of them seem more Clem fans than Swindon fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:44:57
Let’s not pretend otherwise.

Whether it was tip of the ice berg stuff - the first 12 months under Clem went extremely well & no one gave his intentions and the clubs finances a second thought.

That's simply not true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 11:48:18
Life is easier when the football is good, that's for sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 12:56:45
I was celebrating like anyone when Clem won the court case.

There were red flags early but they were more orange at first.

Its been a slow realisation for the fan base with only the happiest of happy clappers left. Some of them seem more Clem fans than Swindon fans.

I think there's quite a big gap between thinking Clem has been a disappointment and thinking we'd have been better off if Power won. Same as 'celebrating' Power winning the club off Jed back in the day. Sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils I fear.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:32:11
I'm not sure Power was a lesser evil than Jed to be honest.

Jed was a bit of a wideboy tit but he also wanted to Sam Hamman and be in with the lads. Wasn't going to get that way if the club was completely fucked, he'd have been lynched.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:35:58
I'm not sure Power was a lesser evil than Jed to be honest.

Jed was a bit of a wideboy tit but he also wanted to Sam Hamman and be in with the lads. Wasn't going to get that way if the club was completely fucked, he'd have been lynched.
Power was a far lesser evil then McCrory, I got all sorts off violent threats off Jed as did Tans I believe.

Look at the trail of destruction Jed has been involved in; us, Worcester Warriors, Hereford, rumours of Yeovil at one time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:38:29
I still don't understand why the Trust picked sides in the Mexican stand off that was the Power/Clem/Zav/Standing fallout. There were no good guys.

I've never understood why the Boston Celtics folks would have allegedly been happy to be a Power/Curran front either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:41:04
Power was a far lesser evil then McCrory, I got all sorts off violent threats off Jed as did Tans I believe.

Look at the trail of destruction Jed has been involved in; us, Worcester Warriors, Hereford, rumours of Yeovil at one time.

Them were the days


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:46:15
Them were the days
The Bentley on fake plates  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:47:00
Should have just gone in the tap he went in there after games after a few hours. Could have got away with whacking him in there. He was a pretty small bloke.

All cut from the same cloth aren't they unfortunately, which is the problem. Circle of death.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:51:34
Should have just gone in the tap he went in there after games after a few hours. Could have got away with whacking him in there. He was a pretty small bloke.

All cut from the same cloth aren't they unfortunately, which is the problem. Circle of death.

"Dr Death will see you now."

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/624/mcs/media/images/65496000/jpg/_65496693_patey_getty.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 13:54:43
I was celebrating like anyone when Clem won the court case.


Me too.

A ramble pointless incoming....

But I though it was me, myself and I (well him, himself and he..) . It didn't take long for someone to give the nod that this may not be the case. The warning was trying to appoint Austin as vice-chair. But it looked good football wise, Angus was CEO and there was nothing to really see as worrying early on.

Like so many, I donated my ST refund. And I do think it was the correct call at the time.

But boy did I start to feel devalued pretty quickly. The 1 adult and 2 u18 season ticket was scrapped straight away meaning the cost to sit in the same seats went UP. Or didn't. My eldest son worked most Saturdays so I simply dropped his ticket that he had since about 5 years old and bought ad-hoc.

Then came the Man City debacle over pricing. Rip as much money as you can out the hand that feeds you. I paid, of course I did. But it left a bad taste. Thankfully City don't have a rubbish team for the cups.

Then came failure in promotion. OK, it happens. But afterwards the squad was cheapened up with most experience shipped out - Duke was right. Very reminiscent of Power/Williams TBH but of lesser quality. It took weeks to appoint someone we already employed and preseason was a joke. WTF happened. Did we lose financial backing from someone?

Then the "accidental director" stuff started. Hart, Kiely, etc. Not exactly something you do by accident. This was the beginning of the end of trust in Clem really. Sharegate was just the final straw in the sham new era of transparency. A straw that will at least cost us cash.

Now we have Clem and the Axis crew in, an impedant Trust, no cash, several possibilities of further FA/EFL charges a CEO who doesn't understand football or how to speak in public, and Clem overseeing the January transfers.

Brilliant.

In the interest of a bit of ballance it looks like we have paid off inherited debt to external parties (some like HMRC that could shut us down), the ground deal has been done and although we can see direction of travel the team isn't in a disastrous league position.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, December 21, 2023, 16:43:06
Many of us did, i certainly did and feel an absolute cunt for it too. I was invested on a personal level too and if i am being totally hones it absolutely battered my mental health around 6 months ago on top of other things.

Anyone knows me knows i have washed y hands of it all and stopped going now as well, i will maintain though that his intentions i still believe were good but the rest of the crew involved unfortunately just had too much involvment and he is now fucked. Like i say i have no involvment now and this isn't supportive post far from it but Just be a bit easy on a few who were taken in mate. 

This isn’t about point scoring Mate and really sad to see that you have personally suffered over this.
Never forget you remain an STFC Supporter and have been around a lot longer than these Chancers.
Most of this has been best kept off public forums.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 09:45:49
Have I completely imagined that Clem Jong Un committed to some kind of Fan’s Forum whilst he’s over?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 22, 2023, 10:09:45
You are correct i believe.

Whether it happens or not is another matter of course


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 22, 2023, 10:21:24
Have I completely imagined that Clem Jong Un committed to some kind of Fan’s Forum whilst he’s over?

He might take your apostrophe use as a good idea and have a forum with just the one fan!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 10:51:26
He might take your apostrophe use as a good idea and have a forum with just the one fan!

Haha. Doh! Good pedantry  :clap:



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:01:40
Not sure here is the place but meh.

Ticket prices for the U18 game against Manchester United is £5 for adults and £3 for concessions: which on the face of it seems fairly reasonable to me?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:08:34
Not sure here is the place but meh.

Ticket prices for the U18 game against Manchester United is £5 for adults and £3 for concessions: which on the face of it seems fairly reasonable to me?

Yeah I agree. Do you think we'll get many going out for it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:13:51
£5 is what I thought a reasonable price would be. Good stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:14:25
Yeah I agree. Do you think we'll get many going out for it?

I doubt it.

I can’t imagine the FA Youth Cup is a particularly big draw anyway and even a top(?) Premier League team sending down their youth team isn’t a big draw either…with such a high turnover and bottle neck of youth players at the big clubs it’s not even like it’s a chance to watch to next Paul Scholes before anyone has even heard of him.

It’s relatively cheap - so people might be tempted to take their football mad kids just because but then a lot of unrest about the club owners and whether we should be lining their pockets.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:17:00
More meaningful than a EFL Cup game😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:19:29
Probably be more United "fans", all with Swindon accents of course  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:20:22
I doubt it.

I can’t imagine the FA Youth Cup is a particularly big draw anyway and even a top(?) Premier League team sending down their youth team isn’t a big draw either…with such a high turnover and bottle neck of youth players at the big clubs it’s not even like it’s a chance to watch to next Paul Scholes before anyone has even heard of him.

It’s relatively cheap - so people might be tempted to take their football mad kids just because but then a lot of unrest about the club owners and whether we should be lining their pockets.




It's only the arkells that is open for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Friday, December 22, 2023, 11:44:54
£5 is what I thought a reasonable price would be. Good stuff.

We'll be fielding a bunch of under 9s and a dog after selling all other youth players ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 12:04:41
I thought I’d go TBH


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:02:21
ST prices to be frozen and matchday tickets reduced next season according to the Broadbent Lounge - via the owner no doubt.

An increase on the 9 free games in that case!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:18:57
Well Clems at the Junior Reds xmas party


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:20:13
ST prices to be frozen and matchday tickets reduced next season according to the Broadbent Lounge - via the owner no doubt.

An increase on the 9 free games in that case!

This makes no sense considering they say we are making huge losses?!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:21:55
This makes no sense considering they say we are making huge losses?!?

Baffling. Has Clem just undermined another CEO? (Albeit welcome in this instance)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:26:49
Baffling. Has Clem just undermined another CEO? (Albeit welcome in this instance)

bizarrely it supports Hall. Lower match day prices but the same ST prices, mean ST owners get a worse deal and get less free games!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:28:39
bizarrely it supports Hall. Lower match day prices but the same ST prices, mean ST owners get a worse deal and get less free games!

In a sense… not quite sure that was what Hall of Shame was driving at…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:30:17
In a sense… not quite sure that was what Hall of Shame was driving at…

I know fella, just amused me!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:37:01
I know fella, just amused me!

It was a good bit of logic!  :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 22, 2023, 18:59:51
weird. We getting new investment then?

need more on the pitch too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:08:24
ST prices to be frozen and matchday tickets reduced next season according to the Broadbent Lounge - via the owner no doubt.

An increase on the 9 free games in that case!

I’d heard a rumour that matchday prices were going to be lower, but had assumed that ST would go up to reduce the gap between the two


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:14:55
Welcome news if true but posting news like that with no evidence and then replying to every tweet with vague gifs insinuating “we know something you don’t” is a pretty good way to annoy an already disgruntled fanbase.

If the past few years have taught us anything, it’s to be sceptical with this club until something is concrete.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:31:34
I see Clem fed his social media mouthpiece then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:38:10
I’d heard a rumour that matchday prices were going to be lower, but had assumed that ST would go up to reduce the gap between the two

Hall and the advisory board minutes essentially said that season tickets were too cheap. If he meant it as matchday prices were too high you can call me Susan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:45:37
How an earth can they work out next seasons Matchday ticket prices we could be playing in anyone of three leagues😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:47:03
It's not entirely unlikely that they have seen the turnout for the past two seasons and decided to take a gamble on retaining most of those but trying to convert them to matchday purchases instead of season tickets.  It increases revenue if you can manage it - BUT, the risks are obvious.  You may not retain that turnout when people need to pay match by match, plus you lose a wedge of cash to see you through the off season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 22, 2023, 19:55:32
It's not entirely unlikely that they have seen the turnout for the past two seasons and decided to take a gamble on retaining most of those but trying to convert them to matchday purchases instead of season tickets.  It increases revenue if you can manage it - BUT, the risks are obvious.  You may not retain that turnout when people need to pay match by match, plus you lose a wedge of cash to see you through the off season.

I have a ST and have done for nearly 20 years despite living 120 miles away so I’d say I’m a fairly committed fan (probably should be committed based on some of the shit we’ve had to put up with) but can honestly say I wouldn’t go to another game this season until the transfer window closes & see where we are, so that would be one hell of a gamble from them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:01:47
Hall and the advisory board minutes essentially said that season tickets were too cheap. If he meant it as matchday prices were too high you can call me Susan

I think they probably believe that ST’s are too cheap, but also recognises matchday tickets are too high.

If the matchday price was £25, then a full season is £575 which is still almost 7 “free” games at the current price so can see a ST price of £450 meaning 5 free games.

I don’t have any inside info on prices, but had heard a rumour about match tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:42:38
Perhaps the Nationwide tickets are getting binned?

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:48:50
What’s best for the club? Retaining ST holders or getting more POTD?

Come what may I’m not getting 2 STs next season. I’d rather pay per game than take a gamble on a decent season.

Fair weather, sure. But I’m not getting taken for a ride by the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:49:01
Clem has proven himself to be a liar. If he thinks that it will take the edge off 15k people calling him a c*nt in front of Ryan Reynolds, he will tell tell us what we want to hear. Why once again is he telling the happy clapper lounge before anyone else?!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:50:33
Kick him in the cunt


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:50:42
Quote from: bigbobjoylove
Perhaps the Nationwide tickets are getting binned?

maybe, but I'm missing your point!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:51:22
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Kick him in the cunt
hore monal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:52:35
6X


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:56:18
I thought the chap who did the Morfuni swear-a-thon interview from TSTBL did a decent job and wasn't up his arse like they used to be.

This ITK nod nod wink wink 'Daddy's back and we still love him' bullshit doesn't wash though. If they can't see that the plumber lies as easily and regularly as he breathes then there's no hope for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Friday, December 22, 2023, 20:59:27
I thought the chap who did the Morfuni swear-a-thon interview from TSTBL did a decent job and wasn't up his arse like they used to be.

This ITK nod nod wink wink 'Daddy's back and we still love him' bullshit doesn't wash though. If they can't see that the plumber lies as easily and regularly as he breathes then there's no hope for them.

The cryptic responses are the worst bit. I want to like TSTBL, but I think they alienate a lot of the fanbase with the ‘we know something you don’t’ shtick. If the news is correct, great. However, the cryptic nonsense is just very childish, in my opinion.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:07:59
How an earth can they work out next seasons Matchday ticket prices we could be playing in anyone of three leagues😁

Why does it even matter?
What’s the difference between L1, L2 & NL.
Not a lot on average I expect.
Why is watching us play Exeter in L1 worth paying more money than watching us play Walsall in L2 & why is another game against Walsall accepted as a higher price than watching us play Hartlepool in the NL?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:15:21
Clem accidentally signing over a 20% shareholding in the club to one lucky young fan at the Junior Reds Christmas Party.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GB-0hZ_W0AA1Qbb?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:21:51
Why does it even matter?
What’s the difference between L1, L2 & NL.
Not a lot on average I expect.
Why is watching us play Exeter in L1 worth paying more money than watching us play Walsall in L2 & why is another game against Walsall accepted as a higher price than watching us play Hartlepool in the NL?

You saying if we played Dorking or Sheff Wed next season the price should be the same? Surely the calibre of opposition/league dictates the price of a Matchday ticket otherwise you may as well generalise through all the leagues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:26:45
Kemp ain’t signing on a perm.

Morfuni and Hall out on the charm offensive and back to pulling the wool over the eyes of his worshippers for the next month then. School visits, OSC and Broadbent appearances, playing 6 aside……. Zzzz. Blokes a liar. 

Fuck em. Wronguns.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:27:57
Clem accidentally signing over a 20% shareholding in the club to one lucky young fan at the Junior Reds Christmas Party.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GB-0hZ_W0AA1Qbb?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

 :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:29:14
You saying if we played Dorking or Sheff Wed next season the price should be the same? Surely the calibre of opposition/league dictates the price of a Matchday ticket otherwise you may as well generalise through all the leagues.

You’ve used the most extreme cases there including a club that’s currently in the Championship.

Again, what’s the different between Port Vale, Walsall, Hartlepool, Lincoln, Leyton Orient, Oldham, Colchester, Rochdale, Wycombe, Cheltenham, FGR, Burton, Carlisle, Southend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:33:00
You’ve used the most extreme cases there including a club that’s currently in the Championship.

Again, what’s the different between Port Vale, Walsall, Hartlepool, Lincoln, Leyton Orient, Oldham, Colchester, Rochdale, Wycombe, Cheltenham, FGR, Burton, Carlisle, Southend.

I may have used an extreme case but the championship team may well be in league one next season. The simple answer is as you go through the leagues the playing squads are better and the playing budgets are higher so naturally you would expect to pay more to watch players that are of a higher calibre.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:49:10
Only going to believe it when the club actually confirm it, even if Clem told tstbl that, there is absolutely no obligation for the club to actually enact it. For all we know he could be throwing them under the bus ot tstbl could be making it up.

And even then, if it is true, Clem still has a long long way to go before he'll earn fans like mine's trust again. We've still got shady figures hanging about the club, we still come across as a complete tinpot outfit, the squad is far too shallow having effectively spent the summer moaning all our targets have too high salary and we still seem to be absolutely bleeding money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 22, 2023, 21:51:24
More so, the club need a bigger budget to compete so would raise all their revenue streams to offset that. The on pitch product doesn’t suddenly get any better. Our L2 winning season under Wellens would have been a better product than the Wellens/Sheridan L1 relegation season.

L1 is not exactly the promise land some seem to think it is - it’s just as shit as L2 and mostly full of teams we’ve played so many times in the last 20 years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 01:28:33
Kemp ain’t signing on a perm.

Morfuni and Hall out on the charm offensive and back to pulling the wool over the eyes of his worshippers for the next month then. School visits, OSC and Broadbent appearances, playing 6 aside……. Zzzz. Blokes a liar. 

Fuck em. Wronguns.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 11:19:40
Clem accidentally signing over a 20% shareholding in the club to one lucky young fan at the Junior Reds Christmas Party.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GB-0hZ_W0AA1Qbb?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
That made me chuckle.

This.
+1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 11:30:53
Kemp ain’t signing on a perm.

Morfuni and Hall out on the charm offensive and back to pulling the wool over the eyes of his worshippers for the next month then. School visits, OSC and Broadbent appearances, playing 6 aside……. Zzzz. Blokes a liar. 

Fuck em. Wronguns.
Unfortunately he will reel in a big portion of the fanbase who will believe his every word

Make excuses for him through January them act surprised when we lose players and sign no one of any quality.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 12:00:26
It’ll be the usual bollocks of making him a great offer but couldn’t compete with *insert club*.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 12:27:28
It’ll be the usual bollocks of making him a great offer but couldn’t compete with *insert club*.

Harrogate/Sutton/Barrow


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 12:43:58
It’ll be the usual bollocks of making him a great offer but couldn’t compete with *insert club*.

I remember the club saying we had a decent offer for Josh Umerah turned down on deadline day in the summer, until it transpired we offered them a deal with three instalments over three years. Sums our recruitment policy up well


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 12:46:29
I remember the club saying we had a decent offer for Josh Umerah turned down on deadline day in the summer
TBH that was a bullet dodged anyway, hes worse than Adeloye.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 13:03:53
I'm probably in the more laid back spectrum of the fanbase & trying not to take it all too seriously does help.

Who am I trying to kid? Myself.

January is the last chance saloon for the current regime.
Every day without positive news the deeper we get into January will be unbearable, much like last Jan & most of the summer in fact.

Have to purely try & think like a fan ahead of the upcoming window & put the rest of the shite out of mind.

Can only hope that Clem has found some loose change behind the sofa or managed to secure some additional funding.

January is never an ideal window for major surgery though.

There is a big clue in the name of the entity that Clem owns as to what this business venture should be all about from a customer perspective.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 13:18:02
More so, the club need a bigger budget to compete so would raise all their revenue streams to offset that. The on pitch product doesn’t suddenly get any better. Our L2 winning season under Wellens would have been a better product than the Wellens/Sheridan L1 relegation season.

L1 is not exactly the promise land some seem to think it is - it’s just as shit as L2 and mostly full of teams we’ve played so many times in the last 20 years.

I’m pretty certain most if not all of league one teams are better than we are even if the standard of football isn’t much better.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 14:11:59
I'm probably in the more laid back spectrum of the fanbase & trying not to take it all too seriously does help.

Who am I trying to kid? Myself.

January is the last chance saloon for the current regime.
Every day without positive news the deeper we get into January will be unbearable, much like last Jan & most of the summer in fact.

Have to purely try & think like a fan ahead of the upcoming window & put the rest of the shite out of mind.

Can only hope that Clem has found some loose change behind the sofa or managed to secure some additional funding.

January is never an ideal window for major surgery though.

There is a big clue in the name of the entity that Clem owns as to what this business venture should be all about from a customer perspective.

No more chances from me I’m afraid- joke ownership


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 14:59:50
Its a joke if Clem has been feeding the broadbent lounge guys, although you suspect they are so far up his arse they probably bag his turds for him.

Clem needs to speak to the fans and start explaining himself, not feeding some 2 bob pod coast what he wants to get leaked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 16:25:21
Its a joke if Clem has been feeding the broadbent lounge guys, although you suspect they are so far up his arse they probably bag his turds for him.

Clem needs to speak to the fans and start explaining himself, not feeding some 2 bob pod coast what he wants to get leaked.

Attention seeker seeks attention seekers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 18:25:52
Still can’t believe people actually fall for Clems bullshit

Man is a proven liar: the farce around the shares and competitive budget should tell you that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:06:59
As well as loving the attention, the Broadbent Lounge lot suffer from the same problem as the Trust. They love their little bit of access to the club and ‘ITK’ status so will do whatever it takes to maintain that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:13:53
Let's say Clem is here to stay.

What has to happen to talk you off a ledge in the next month?

I'll start:

1. Sack Flynn and Hatswell. The most tactically inept management team I can remember in 30 years.
2. Appoint a manager with at least one EFL promotion on their CV.
3. Announce major new investment, from a legitimate source with no history of criminality and easily attributable wealth.
4. Appoint an experienced EFL CEO.
5. Announce the stadium redevelopment plan, with a clear timetable etc.
6. Sign Kemp. Meaningless in the long term but it is a statement of intent.
7. End the window with a squad at least 5 players bigger than it is currently.
8. Of those signings, we need at least 3 players with 200+ EFL appearances.
9. 1 x CB, 1 x DM, 1 x Winger and 1 x Striker as a minimum on top of Kemp.
10. Freeze or reduce season ticket prices.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:17:18
Let's say Clem is here to stay.

What has to happen to talk you off a ledge in the next month?

I'll start:

1. Sack Flynn and Hatswell. The most tactically inept management team I can remember in 30 years.
2. Appoint a manager with at least one EFL promotion on their CV.
3. Announce major new investment, from a legitimate source with no history of criminality and easily attributable wealth.
4. Appoint an experienced EFL CEO.
5. Announce the stadium redevelopment plan, with a clear timetable etc.
6. Sign Kemp. Meaningless in the long term but it is a statement of intent.
7. End the window with a squad at least 5 players bigger than it is currently.
8. Of those signings, we need at least 3 players with 200+ EFL appearances.
9. 1 x CB, 1 x DM, 1 x Winger and 1 x Striker as a minimum on top of Kemp.
10. Freeze or reduce season ticket prices.


There is no way back, he’s a proven liar and his credibility is gone.

Moot point anyway as you can guarantee none of the above will happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:18:39
Oh don't get me wrong, we will see Pink Floyd's pig over the County Ground before any of that happens.

I'm being theoretical and sort of vaguely attempting to be positive.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:42:07
There is no way back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:42:15
The real challenge is, given Clem is trying to sell the club, what the hell can he possibly do in Jan to change the direction of this ship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:50:13
I’ll only be happy if Clem sells the club to The Rock.
Anything less is not good enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 19:59:09
January the last roll of the dice. Better players already on contracts thus going to have his work cut out.
Had enough.
We are both physically and mentally weak.

So many are still pro Clem, definitely the majority.
Without doubt it’s about to get a lot worse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 20:00:45
I’ll only be happy if Clem sells the club to The Rock.
Anything less is not good enough.

Finally, the Rock has come back, to Swindon Wilt-Shire!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 20:07:53
As player manager.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 20:46:08
January the last roll of the dice. Better players already on contracts thus going to have his work cut out.
Had enough.
We are both physically and mentally weak.

So many are still pro Clem, definitely the majority.
Without doubt it’s about to get a lot worse.

Can’t understand how anyone can be pro Clem after this utter fuck up of a season and the lies re the shares and budget.

If the majority still support him then they don’t deserve a football league club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 20:48:45
I think part of the problem is there's no alternative known right? When we wanted Diamandis/Wills out, there was Bill Power/Trust/Fitton eventually, then when we wanted Power out there was Clem. There's no obvious next cab off the rank right now, the Trust are not in a position to mount any sort of bid and nobody else has publicly come out as wanting the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 22:01:22
There is no way back for the current regime. A good January (incredibly unlikely as we already know) and the Season Ticket debacle from the TSTBL will only serve the already esteemed Clem fanboys and mouthpieces. It will just paper the cracks for the rest of the already sinking ship that is STFC under this stewardship.

Can see it now, Kemp signed permanently being the only signing but at the expense of selling Khan and Hutton, and the club repeating the line 'well we gave you Kemp 2025, what more do you need'.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, December 23, 2023, 23:03:06
For me its positive news that TSTBL came out with, they have taken a lot of stick on this, which is undeserved.

Let's see what Janaury brings


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 00:14:51
There is no way back for the current regime. A good January (incredibly unlikely as we already know) and the Season Ticket debacle from the TSTBL will only serve the already esteemed Clem fanboys and mouthpieces. It will just paper the cracks for the rest of the already sinking ship that is STFC under this stewardship.
As we can see by the post that followed…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 01:32:01
stay of the team bus for fuck's sake


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 04:27:04
Finally, the Rock has come back, to Swindon Wilt-Shire!

I’d say it’s likely he’s never been here - so can’t really come back to somewhere he’s not been before!!!

However, he’s an extremely successful businessman worth a hell of a lot of money. Will know a lot of people also with a lot of money. Has fingers in many pies & isn’t afraid of taking a business gamble (XFL)

Known world wide and the most electrifying man in all of entertainment.

…one can day dream.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 08:10:36
As we can see by the post that followed…
:doh: Beyond a parody


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 08:12:34
For me its positive news that TSTBL came out with, they have taken a lot of stick on this, which is undeserved.

Let's see what Janaury brings
Why should this news come from them? This news should come directly from the club. This is not how a serious club ran by serious people should be operated. It also completely contradicts the lines the club has given us in the past few weeks so what can we believe anymore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 08:42:48
As we can see by the post that followed…

Is the news not positive? Then I said lets see what January brings, it's hardly a glowing reference to what's happened, so far.

On whether news should come from them or the football club, the leak is probably a direct reaction to the rubbish interview from a few weeks ago, before official news can be shared they committed to discuss it with the OSC and Trust, which I doubt has happened yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 08:56:04
Whether it’s positive news will only be proven if it comes true.
Otherwise it’s just more horse shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:03:10
Whether it’s positive news will only be proven if it comes true.
Otherwise it’s just more horse shit.

No shit, Sherlock


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:03:46
Ummm, it was you who claimed the news was positive


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:06:17
Ummm, it was you who claimed the news was positive

It is positive as a statement, you said it's only positive if true, which is a stupidly obvious statement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:12:36
The notion of price a freeze isn't, obviously, an issue because that would be very good news. It's because within 24 hours of Clem Morfuni arriving in England, the 'leaky sieve' nonsense begins.

The Charlie Austin announcement was essentially ruined by constant 'eye emoji' stuff during the last window (plus the Sandro is going to kill this move stuff). It's the same person having fun with the ITK and passing it on to TSTBL. This time I think even the most avid social media followers are tiring of teaser/leak/passing of information rhetoric when it comes to STFC.

Swindon Town should be for the entire fanbase, not the minority who use social media and listen to fan content (including mine). Use the Adver to leak. Use your own channels, the Adver and BBC for concrete info. Use the rest (Kitmen/OSC/Trust/TSTBL) as follow-up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:21:37
The notion of price a freeze isn't, obviously, an issue because that would be very good news. It's because within 24 hours of Clem Morfuni arriving in England, the 'leaky sieve' nonsense begins.

The Charlie Austin announcement was essentially ruined by constant 'eye emoji' stuff during the last window (plus the Sandro is going to kill this move stuff). It's the same person having fun with the ITK and passing it on to TSTBL. This time I think even the most avid social media followers are tiring of teaser/leak/passing of information rhetoric when it comes to STFC.

Swindon Town should be for the entire fanbase, not the minority who use social media and listen to fan content (including mine). Use the Adver to leak. Use your own channels, the Adver and BBC for concrete info. Use the rest (Kitmen/OSC/Trust/TSTBL) as follow-up.

I can't disagree with that, my point was more that regardless of where it came from it's a response to 'that interview'.

You can't blame the TSTBL for providing the news but it would be better to 'leak' it to a more traditional source but I think word spreads pretty quick these days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:22:51
I can't disagree with that, my point was more that regardless of where it came from it's a response to 'that interview'.

You can't blame the TSTBL for providing the news but it would be better to 'leak' it to a more traditional source but I think word spreads pretty quick these days.

I 100% don't blame the front facing contributors of TSTBL for anything. Personal stick isn't fair.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 09:31:40
The notion of price a freeze isn't, obviously, an issue because that would be very good news. It's because within 24 hours of Clem Morfuni arriving in England, the 'leaky sieve' nonsense begins.

The Charlie Austin announcement was essentially ruined by constant 'eye emoji' stuff during the last window (plus the Sandro is going to kill this move stuff). It's the same person having fun with the ITK and passing it on to TSTBL. This time I think even the most avid social media followers are tiring of teaser/leak/passing of information rhetoric when it comes to STFC.

Swindon Town should be for the entire fanbase, not the minority who use social media and listen to fan content (including mine). Use the Adver to leak. Use your own channels, the Adver and BBC for concrete info. Use the rest (Kitmen/OSC/Trust/TSTBL) as follow-up.


Alright Mr Coherent Media Strategy. Clem's trying his best.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 10:10:44
What's TSTBL?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 10:13:07
What's TSTBL?

Took me a while. I thought is was a military unit at first 😉 The Swindon Town Broadbents Lounge, I think?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 10:18:12
The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 10:34:40
Ta


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 10:49:51
The Sir Tom Broadbent Lounge

There you go. What a useful resource this forum is. It enriches our lives beyond all hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 12:36:13
I think part of the problem is there's no alternative known right? When we wanted Diamandis/Wills out, there was Bill Power/Trust/Fitton eventually, then when we wanted Power out there was Clem. There's no obvious next cab off the rank right now, the Trust are not in a position to mount any sort of bid and nobody else has publicly come out as wanting the club.

Rumoured dutch consortium put off by asking price?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 12:43:55
For me its positive news that TSTBL came out with, they have taken a lot of stick on this, which is undeserved.

Let's see what Janaury brings

soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 13:07:02
it's coming!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 13:43:11
it's coming!
Xmas?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 13:48:50
Typical Swindon, all the other teams in the STFC stable doing well ( fair play to them), the biggest let down is the first team.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 13:54:40
Rumoured dutch consortium put off by asking price?
Apparently that was many months ago, they lost interest about August.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 13:59:11
Quote from: Costanza

The Charlie Austin announcement was essentially ruined by constant 'eye emoji' stuff during the last window (.

that and Sky Sports 😁

our PR department is fucking useless. Or at least the authority that decides on the strategy is. Certainly not aimed the guy who runs SM.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 14:04:59
Apparently that was many months ago, they lost interest about August.

Shows buyers are out there though.

Sad. Could have been great.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 14:09:37
Apparently that was many months ago, they lost interest about August.

They probably asked to see the accounts and then died of old age waiting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 14:14:43
Shows buyers are out there though.

Sad. Could have been great.

Shows rumours are easily spread and believed.

Were these Dutch people even real? Any proof?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 14:17:30
Shows rumours are easily spread and believed.

Were these Dutch people even real? Any proof?

Dutch people are definitely real. That I can confirm. No idea if any of them have ever wanted to buy Swindon though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 16:30:57
As I have eluded to, there is UK and overseas money interested. However, as I have said, we are all advised not to touch the club at the moment. Why have advisors if you don’t take their advice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 16:41:05
The reason being?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 17:04:44
The reason being?  :sherlock:

I’m sure you can work that out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 17:35:03
Dutch people are definitely real. That I can confirm. No idea if any of them have ever wanted to buy Swindon though.


My wife’s company are Dutch, for sure 😉


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 17:49:59
As I have eluded to, there is UK and overseas money interested. However, as I have said, we are all advised not to touch the club at the moment. Why have advisors if you don’t take their advice.

I'd hope someone from the Trust would be banging your door down to have a confidential chat on the subject.

However, I fear they are too busy on their knees unders Morfunis desk.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 18:05:21
As I have eluded to, there is UK and overseas money interested. However, as I have said, we are all advised not to touch the club at the moment. Why have advisors if you don’t take their advice.

Discussions are taking place...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 18:16:29
As I have eluded to, there is UK and overseas money interested. However, as I have said, we are all advised not to touch the club at the moment. Why have advisors if you don’t take their advice.
come on then who is we ?
I think it's alluded, but meh, who cares about details, oh I do , shit , I must stop typing at myself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 18:40:23
Red Bull Swindon from the Sherwood announcement was a funny memory that came into my head when reading this thread


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 18:52:37
The reason being?  :sherlock:

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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 18:56:25
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 19:10:31
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 19:37:54
Until clem Morfuni finally realise he is finished here in Swindon.
Then a deal could happen. Until then anything could happen and nearly everything will happen and will be  mostly bad.
The club will be taken to the brink of survival again.
Best we take cover and simply observe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 19:44:15
Discussions are taking place...

Yeah, on this forum. More meat on the bone needed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 19:56:28
Discussions are taking place...

The problem being one owner has become a little more deeper.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 20:01:57
I’m just about hanging on until the time comes when we have the perfect storm of owner/manager/players/fans.

And it will - eventually.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 20:09:02
The problem being one owner has become a little more deeper.

Expand….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 20:22:02
Expand….

Like selling a house and realising that you may have to negotiate with more than one member of the selling family.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 20:23:27
Like selling a house and realising that you may have to negotiate with more than one member of the selling family.
Kiely wanting to retain their 22.5% regardless?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 20:56:01
That doesn't matter because as soon as you have 51% you have control.

It'll be more will the disorganised crime mob be satisfied with what they get.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, December 24, 2023, 21:35:37
Any major financial decisions being made will need more than a majority vote my friend.
That could include purchasing suitable players now and into the future.
Needs a clean purchase to move forward otherwise why would you bother.
Successful people understand this and chancers don't
Wait and see...the rats will eventually jump from a sinking ship.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Monday, December 25, 2023, 16:53:00
I have heard there are interested parties out there who want to get involved but won’t because of the money launderers and druggy hangers on

We have got to starve these chancers out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, December 25, 2023, 17:05:43
I have heard there are interested parties out there who want to get involved but won’t because of the money launderers and druggy hangers on

We have got to starve these chancers out

And not putting any money in the club is the only way to do that. It is not difficult.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 25, 2023, 17:42:11
I heard that several bidders have been put off by the expectations of the fans being unrealistic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, December 25, 2023, 18:19:01
Fishing emoji


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, December 25, 2023, 20:13:45
What a load of bullocks
"Unrealistic demands from the supporters"
Only thing that holds everyone back is their imagination.

Positive and successful people are successful and see positive and successful opportunities.

Why would 2000 plus supporters travel to MK and over 10000 attend this Boxing day.

The supporters of STFC have been starved of success and still dream of a wee bit of success.

Morfuni was given his honeymoon period and for reasons blew it.

My emotions say the club will survive however I have horrible feelings that it is to far gone this time.







Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 25, 2023, 21:04:07
"We want our Swindon back"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 25, 2023, 22:21:47
What a load of bullocks
"Unrealistic demands from the supporters"
Only thing that holds everyone back is their imagination.

Positive and successful people are successful and see positive and successful opportunities.

Why would 2000 plus supporters travel to MK and over 10000 attend this Boxing day.

The supporters of STFC have been starved of success and still dream of a wee bit of success.

Morfuni was given his honeymoon period and for reasons blew it.

My emotions say the club will survive however I have horrible feelings that it is to far gone this time.







They have obviously seen how the previous few good owners have been treated by the fans


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, December 25, 2023, 22:23:31
I'm clearly taking the piss but the amount of "I've heard" rumours (it's hard to call them rumours intact) with no basis that people lap up is hilarious


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 00:21:16
They have obviously seen how the previous few good owners have been treated by the fans
I’ll bite. Which previously good owner has been treated badly by fans then exactly?! In the best part of 3 decades apart from the Fitton consortium (who were treated with nothing but respect for the most part) the only people we’ve had owning the club are criminals and conmen including the current incumbents. So as usual it’s another completely unfounded dig at the clubs fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 07:12:18
I’ll bite. Which previously good owner has been treated badly by fans then exactly?! In the best part of 3 decades apart from the Fitton consortium (who were treated with nothing but respect for the most part) the only people we’ve had owning the club are criminals and conmen including the current incumbents. So as usual it’s another completely unfounded dig at the clubs fans.

Please see the post before this one...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 08:12:51
Time to take a leaf out of our German cousins book (albeit protesting a slightly different blight on their game), chocolate coins on the pitch today? Everyone should have a few knocking about :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 12:58:47
Drug dealers are bloody good business people, heard that on Radio 4


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 17:16:01
What was the crowd like today? Passive and silent? Or pressure on clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 17:17:42
What was the crowd like today? Passive and silent? Or pressure on clem?
A couple of "freeloading bastards " chants but nothing much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 17:18:45
What was the crowd like today? Passive and silent? Or pressure on clem?

Crap. I was in the Arkells back row by Wrexham and only about 50 around us made any noise. The other 5k looked like they were at the cinema.
Passion on and off the pitch is the same, we may as well fucking give up. Might fuck off to Supermarine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 18:43:43
Can anyone brighten the mood with a credible rumour that they’re selling?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:10:35
I’ve heard a rumour he’s selling


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:25:57
Anyone see Morfuni at the game today?
I'd love to hear how he thinks his club are doing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:37:35
Anyone see Morfuni at the game today?
I'd love to hear how he thinks his club are doing.

The Tasmanian Devil was present.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:39:42
Probably sing about him when he’s left the country.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:52:41
Drug dealers are bloody good business people, heard that on Radio 4
'Narconomics'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:53:48
I'm amazed at how unperturbed and lacking in vocal disapproval our fans are. We are on a very shit run, look in dire straits from top to bottom, and not a peep of discontent. What will it take?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:55:52
Said this earlier.
Times have changed. People won’t actively speak out about their displeasure.
They’ll wait till they get home and post on social media.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 20:55:58
I'm amazed at how unperturbed and lacking in vocal disapproval our fans are. We are on a very shit run, look in dire straits from top to bottom, and not a peep of discontent. What will it take?

It's a perfect storm that sees us sleepwalk to relegation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 21:04:16
It's a perfect storm that sees us sleepwalk to relegation.

Also the reason why this club keeps getting fucked over with people afraid to have a say


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 21:05:01
We thought things would change with joint ownership of the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 21:18:22
Said this earlier.
Times have changed. People won’t actively speak out about their displeasure.
They’ll wait till they get home and post on social media.

Like me, but I did show discontent at the game too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 21:27:33
Toxicity might work with people with a conscience. Wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to this crime syndicate.

£ is the only language they know/ care about. Starving them out is the only way change will come.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 21:34:06
I'm amazed at how unperturbed and lacking in vocal disapproval our fans are. We are on a very shit run, look in dire straits from top to bottom, and not a peep of discontent. What will it take?

Will take some time.
Face it our fanbase isn’t passionate and are passive.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, December 26, 2023, 22:58:24
Too many of our fanbase seem to accept and put up with anything
You only need look at the Facebook group so many up Clems asshole it’s nauseating and anyone who dares to challenge them doesn’t know what they’re talking about

There are credible people out there who would buy the club the barrier is the dodgy hangers on.

The only way to get rid is to starve this lot out- problem is there are too many gullible people who will carry on renewing regardless- by the time they wake up we could be non league


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 00:28:56
Too many of our fanbase seem to accept and put up with anything
You only need look at the Facebook group so many up Clems asshole it’s nauseating and anyone who dares to challenge them doesn’t know what they’re talking about

There are credible people out there who would buy the club the barrier is the dodgy hangers on.

The only way to get rid is to starve this lot out- problem is there are too many gullible people who will carry on renewing regardless- by the time they wake up we could be non league

I can see all these credible people queuing up...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 11:42:10
Too many of our fanbase seem to accept and put up with anything
You only need look at the Facebook group so many up Clems asshole it’s nauseating and anyone who dares to challenge them doesn’t know what they’re talking about

There are credible people out there who would buy the club the barrier is the dodgy hangers on.

The only way to get rid is to starve this lot out- problem is there are too many gullible people who will carry on renewing regardless- by the time they wake up we could be non league

So your saying nobody would buy the club due to the hangers on that Clem allows into the boardroom, surely anyone with a pair of balls would tell them they are not welcome unless they buy at ST like everyone else rather than being able to freeload it on matchdays.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 11:45:33
So your saying nobody would buy the club due to the hangers on that Clem allows into the boardroom, surely anyone with a pair of balls would tell them they are not welcome unless they buy at ST like everyone else rather than being able to freeload it on matchdays.
I guess it's whether they can still linger on given Clem's not the 100% shareholder owner and the owners of the minority shares not being willing to sell them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 11:49:18
I guess the problem is that if anyone gets to see the books in their entirety, becomes aware of ‘shenanigans’, then drops their interest like a slimy turd.

We all thought the skeletons would have all been shaken out after Power left. They’ve just changed cupboards.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:24:25
We also don’t know what rights attach to minority shares. Radcliffe now has 25% of Manchester United but full control of the football side of things. For all we know, Morfuni may hold his shares on Trust for Keily, or Standing, and can’t do certain things without their approval. Or, the minority shareholders (Keily, Parladorio) hold on trust for others, or they have control of the football decisions. Someone on here has said before that Keily is seen in football circles as the owner. All of these things could explain why they don’t appear to be selling, despite their complete incompetence at running the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 12:30:43
I guess the problem is that if anyone gets to see the books in their entirety, becomes aware of ‘shenanigans’, then drops their interest like a slimy turd.

We all thought the skeletons would have all been shaken out after Power left. They’ve just changed cupboards.

And got a few more from a reclamation shop.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 19:16:58
We also don’t know what rights attach to minority shares. Radcliffe now has 25% of Manchester United but full control of the football side of things. For all we know, Morfuni may hold his shares on Trust for Keily, or Standing, and can’t do certain things without their approval. Or, the minority shareholders (Keily, Parladorio) hold on trust for others, or they have control of the football decisions. Someone on here has said before that Keily is seen in football circles as the owner. All of these things could explain why they don’t appear to be selling, despite their complete incompetence at running the club.

If Clem was really holding shares in trust for Standing for e.g. would he really keep flying half way around the world back to the club to do things at a club he does not own, I don't believe he is holding the shares, he is majority owner - just not doing the correct things seems to be a little alien to him and prefers to tell the fans only what they want to hear.

Wait for the apology about not having a promotion winning team and the reassurance things will be better and will learn from mistakes etc (right before ST renewal is announced).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 19:18:01
Will take some time.
Face it our fanbase isn’t passionate and are passive.



Alright Che Guevara, maybe you're right, maybe not


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 19:31:55

Alright Che Guevara, maybe you're right, maybe not

The vast majority of our fanbase are pro Clem.
That will not be changing for some foreseeable time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, December 27, 2023, 19:57:50
The vast majority of our fanbase are pro Clem.
That will not be changing for some foreseeable time.

Note to any rogue owners wanting to take over football clubs, pull a few imbeciles pints early on and they'll go to war for you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 12:49:54
Don’t they say no news is good news :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:08:39
Am I the only one who finds it odd that Clem hasn’t made any sort of public statement about anything since he’s been back?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:18:19
They'll just get the Broadbent lounge to do it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:19:11
Andrew Hawes said BBC Wilts are hoping to interview him soon, so hopefully won’t have to wait long


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:23:59
This year or next year :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:33:19
Am I the only one who finds it odd that Clem hasn’t made any sort of public statement about anything since he’s been back?

Open and transparent  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:38:51
Why are we waiting to hear what he has to say when all we have heard for 2 years have turned out to be BS?  Are you really expecting him to come out and start telling the truth all of a sudden?  The CEO came out and spoke and got lambasted for what he said, but at least what he said was much closer to the truth than anything anyone else has come out with..  at least it gave us an insight in to exactly what the real feelings are at the top anyway, irrelevant of whether what what was being said adds up.

I am at the point now where I just have no interest in what Clem, Flynn or anyone really at the club has to say.  You can't believe Clem, Flynn is obviously just towing the company line, and the players are saying what they need to say to get their next move - so what is the point?

I am almost at the point now where part of me wishes that if we are not going to be bought by another chancer then we might as well fold and either start again, or just cease to exist..  sick of being taken advantage of and being lied to, and feel my life would better if I wasn't listening for the next lie or words of optimism that never come to fruition, whether that be from the club or the Trust.

Rotten from top to bottom and being held up by an organisation that seems happy to wach it happen.  I just want to enjoy the football again, I didn't think that was too much to ask for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:43:06
Exactly this :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:49:58
Why are we waiting to hear what he has to say when all we have heard for 2 years have turned out to be BS?  Are you really expecting him to come out and start telling the truth all of a sudden?  The Chairman came out and spoke and got lambasted for what he said, but at least what he said was much closer to the truth than anything anyone else has come out with..  at least it gave us an insight in to exactly what the real feelings are at the top anyway, irrelevant of whether what what was being said adds up.

I am at the point now where I just have no interest in what Clem, Flynn or anyone really at the club has to say.  You can't believe Clem, Flynn is obviously just towing the company line, and the players are saying what they need to say to get their next move - so what is the point?

I am almost at the point now where part of me wishes that if we are not going to be bought by another chancer then we might as well fold and either start again, or just cease to exist..  sick of being taken advantage of and being lied to, and feel my life would better if I wasn't listening for the next lie or words of optimism that never come to fruition, whether that be from the club or the Trust.

Rotten from top to bottom and being hed up by an organisation that seems happy to wach it happen.  I just want to enjoy the football again, I didn't think that was too much to ask for.

Spot on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 14:55:51
Why are we waiting to hear what he has to say when all we have heard for 2 years have turned out to be BS?  Are you really expecting him to come out and start telling the truth all of a sudden?  The CEO came out and spoke and got lambasted for what he said, but at least what he said was much closer to the truth than anything anyone else has come out with..  at least it gave us an insight in to exactly what the real feelings are at the top anyway, irrelevant of whether what what was being said adds up.

I am at the point now where I just have no interest in what Clem, Flynn or anyone really at the club has to say.  You can't believe Clem, Flynn is obviously just towing the company line, and the players are saying what they need to say to get their next move - so what is the point?

I am almost at the point now where part of me wishes that if we are not going to be bought by another chancer then we might as well fold and either start again, or just cease to exist..  sick of being taken advantage of and being lied to, and feel my life would better if I wasn't listening for the next lie or words of optimism that never come to fruition, whether that be from the club or the Trust.

Rotten from top to bottom and being held up by an organisation that seems happy to wach it happen.  I just want to enjoy the football again, I didn't think that was too much to ask for.
1000% this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 15:18:02
Why are we waiting to hear what he has to say when all we have heard for 2 years have turned out to be BS?  Are you really expecting him to come out and start telling the truth all of a sudden?  The CEO came out and spoke and got lambasted for what he said, but at least what he said was much closer to the truth than anything anyone else has come out with..  at least it gave us an insight in to exactly what the real feelings are at the top anyway, irrelevant of whether what what was being said adds up.

I am at the point now where I just have no interest in what Clem, Flynn or anyone really at the club has to say.  You can't believe Clem, Flynn is obviously just towing the company line, and the players are saying what they need to say to get their next move - so what is the point?

I am almost at the point now where part of me wishes that if we are not going to be bought by another chancer then we might as well fold and either start again, or just cease to exist..  sick of being taken advantage of and being lied to, and feel my life would better if I wasn't listening for the next lie or words of optimism that never come to fruition, whether that be from the club or the Trust.

Rotten from top to bottom and being held up by an organisation that seems happy to wach it happen.  I just want to enjoy the football again, I didn't think that was too much to ask for.

Very succinct and hammered the point home. It’s this.

In my opinion the worst thing for a football is one that just exists to make up the numbers - which is exactly what we’ve become. No forward ambition & no forward momentum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 15:22:53
When the CEO said the other week that the plan was to reach league one in the next 3 years, that did it for me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 15:29:09
Didn't hear that tans. That's me out for at least 3 years then, fuck this stagnating league 2 dross.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 15:33:13
Didn't hear that tans. That's me out for at least 3 years then, fuck this stagnating league 2 dross.

Pretty sure he said it in that terrible interview with the OSC


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 15:50:37
It’s in there somewhere :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTNlotJAV1o&pp=ygUYc3dpbmRvbiB0b3duIG9uIHRoZSBzb2Zh


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 16:42:38
It’s in there somewhere :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTNlotJAV1o&pp=ygUYc3dpbmRvbiB0b3duIG9uIHRoZSBzb2Zh

Yes he said that the f**king armchair gooner. Power didn’t have us marooned in league 2 for 3+ years. They didn’t say this when they were trying to buy the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 16:43:00
Didn't hear that tans. That's me out for at least 3 years then, fuck this stagnating league 2 dross.
You’ll be on a reduced rate OAP ticket by then 4D. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 17:00:37
I just got a Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys vibe from Anthony Hall’s face.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 19:13:34
Open and transparent  :D

So transparent we can see through him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 19:15:10
Why are we waiting to hear what he has to say when all we have heard for 2 years have turned out to be BS?  Are you really expecting him to come out and start telling the truth all of a sudden?  The CEO came out and spoke and got lambasted for what he said, but at least what he said was much closer to the truth than anything anyone else has come out with..  at least it gave us an insight in to exactly what the real feelings are at the top anyway, irrelevant of whether what what was being said adds up.

I am at the point now where I just have no interest in what Clem, Flynn or anyone really at the club has to say.  You can't believe Clem, Flynn is obviously just towing the company line, and the players are saying what they need to say to get their next move - so what is the point?

I am almost at the point now where part of me wishes that if we are not going to be bought by another chancer then we might as well fold and either start again, or just cease to exist..  sick of being taken advantage of and being lied to, and feel my life would better if I wasn't listening for the next lie or words of optimism that never come to fruition, whether that be from the club or the Trust.

Rotten from top to bottom and being held up by an organisation that seems happy to wach it happen.  I just want to enjoy the football again, I didn't think that was too much to ask for.

Great post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 21:32:49
Why are we waiting to hear what he has to say when all we have heard for 2 years have turned out to be BS?  Are you really expecting him to come out and start telling the truth all of a sudden?  The CEO came out and spoke and got lambasted for what he said, but at least what he said was much closer to the truth than anything anyone else has come out with..  at least it gave us an insight in to exactly what the real feelings are at the top anyway, irrelevant of whether what what was being said adds up.

I am at the point now where I just have no interest in what Clem, Flynn or anyone really at the club has to say.  You can't believe Clem, Flynn is obviously just towing the company line, and the players are saying what they need to say to get their next move - so what is the point?

I am almost at the point now where part of me wishes that if we are not going to be bought by another chancer then we might as well fold and either start again, or just cease to exist..  sick of being taken advantage of and being lied to, and feel my life would better if I wasn't listening for the next lie or words of optimism that never come to fruition, whether that be from the club or the Trust.

Rotten from top to bottom and being held up by an organisation that seems happy to wach it happen.  I just want to enjoy the football again, I didn't think that was too much to ask for.

So you want STFC to fold (well almost at the point), what a stupid statement. While I can see your view on the rest this part is just wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 21:34:04
At some stage the club has to be cleaned out. We can’t go on being passed around like a cheap whore.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 21:36:03
It’s like a slow death we need putting out of our misery.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 21:40:57
No. It’s nothing that can’t  be corrected with a change at the top and I don’t mean somebody loaded throwing millions at the club. Honest, prudent ownership will do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 21:42:19
I can’t imagine travelling 6 hours to watch “Swindon Town 2024 limited” in the Southern Premier League (or lower).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 21:47:01
Any new ownership wouldn’t happen overnight meanwhile we’re dropping faster than a Peregrine falcon and there’s nothing the fans can do apart from staying away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 22:22:41
So you want STFC to fold (well almost at the point), what a stupid statement. While I can see your view on the rest this part is just wrong.

It’s not a stupid statement and it’s not wrong. It’s how I feel and it’s my opinion.  Maybe you should join the board of my mental state, if you really want to make a difference and change that opinion that is all my own.

You saying how I am feeling is stupid and wrong is the only thing that is stupid about this interaction. Also you should learn to read posts properly before responding with absolute guff, you have obviously been hanging out with the trust far too much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 22:34:31
Maybe you should join the board of my mental state, if you really want to make a difference and change that opinion that is all my own.

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 22:35:12
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/daniel-kinahan-used-boxers-to-launder-cash-with-1m-going-through-fighters-account-court-hears/a1849201859.html

Adam Harts mate.

Wonder if thet Swindon Town MTK Global coat is still doing the rounds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 23:43:40
It’s not a stupid statement and it’s not wrong. It’s how I feel and it’s my opinion.  Maybe you should join the board of my mental state, if you really want to make a difference and change that opinion that is all my own.

You saying how I am feeling is stupid and wrong is the only thing that is stupid about this interaction. Also you should learn to read posts properly before responding with absolute guff, you have obviously been hanging out with the trust far too much.

Ah, so you are allowed an opinion but I'm not allowed one on your stupid statement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 23:53:29
it's not difficult manc. it's the opinion of a man at the end of his tether and pushed to his limits.

yours may be different. it's kind of how opinion works


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 23:54:43
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/daniel-kinahan-used-boxers-to-launder-cash-with-1m-going-through-fighters-account-court-hears/a1849201859.html (https://www.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/daniel-kinahan-used-boxers-to-launder-cash-with-1m-going-through-fighters-account-court-hears/a1849201859.html)

Adam Harts mate.

Wonder if thet Swindon Town MTK Global coat is still doing the rounds.

good job there are no money launderers around STFC then.

Except the convicted one we tried to make vice chair.

But other than that I'm pretty sure we are probably money launderer free


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 23:57:22
it's not difficult manc. it's the opinion of a man at the end of his tether and pushed to his limits.

yours may be different. it's kind of how opinion works

I agree it's different and I've called out that in my opinion his statement is wrong and stupid.  Whether he is at the end of his tether or not, I don't really care.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, December 29, 2023, 00:30:34
I agree it's different and I've called out that in my opinion his statement is wrong and stupid.  Whether he is at the end of his tether or not, I don't really care.
You really don’t help yourself mate


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, December 29, 2023, 03:01:11
I agree it's different and I've called out that in my opinion his statement is wrong and stupid.  Whether he is at the end of his tether or not, I don't really care.

OK, so you are turning in to James Spencer 2.0 so I will respond, seeing as the only posts that you seem to have an opinion on are ones that criticise the Trust.

1. I didn’t make any statement, I posted my feelings, where my head is currently at, therefore the statement you refer to isn’t stupid or wrong because it the way I feel.
2. Is your opinion really valid on how I am feeling? Nah, not really, again lets face it, the only reason you popped your head up is because I dare to criticise the Trust, it’s all you ever do (ala JS 2.0)
3. If you bothered to read my original post and tried to understand it like others have done, before getting to the Trust criticism and going red in the face and punching down on your keyboard, you would have read “I’m ALMOST at the point where PART OF ME wants us to fold and come back or not exist.  You have taken that as me making a statement that I want us to fold..

I’ll use an example that will probably be before your time, but years ago, before time began, we had a player called Steve White, who came back and played against us for Hereford after spending many years with us.  You know what? The way I was FEELING at the time, maybe not anyone else but me, where my head was as at…. PART OF ME, wanted Chalkie White to score against us that day, and he did, Did I really think it would happen? Probably not, but it did, and I applauded in the crowd with many others.

You might not give a shit that I am at the end of my tether, why would you, you think I am stupid, but there are a growing number of fans who are getting to the same point as me, and you and your fuck buddies at the Trust are part of the Zombie faction that is watching us walk into the wilderness, and you are doing it while supporting the current stewardship and attacking fans that do not lap up the medicine being served up by the absolute crooks running our club and the current club groupies that are the trust, standing on the sidelines and fist bumping the owners while they fleece the fans (some of which are your paying members).

Now, unless you have anything sensible or informed to say, get back in your box or fuck off like Mr Spencer did once he had posted his ITK bullshit before being told to delete his account :smugfu:





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, December 29, 2023, 04:19:37
Berniman...

Unfortunately I have to agree with you.

It seems this club is filled with cheap 2nd rate chancers that will have the control until it all falls down.

Obviously on a totally different scale is Russia, China USA and India

Russia is falling apart at the seams. It is failing its people its neighboring countries and the world in general and guess what does Putin and his chancers really care. A big fat Fuck no.

Does China USA and India worry about climate change and lets try to save the polar bears. Bollocks of course they don't. Again and big fat Fuck no.

Same as with STFC Until it all falls down nothing will change.

The cancer (Greed) set in STFC many years ago. Yes, it has moments of remission, however, the cancer is still there and this time I think it might have got us.  
      


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 08:28:53
OK, so you are turning in to James Spencer 2.0 so I will respond, seeing as the only posts that you seem to have an opinion on are ones that criticise the Trust.

1. I didn’t make any statement, I posted my feelings, where my head is currently at, therefore the statement you refer to isn’t stupid or wrong because it the way I feel.
2. Is your opinion really valid on how I am feeling? Nah, not really, again lets face it, the only reason you popped your head up is because I dare to criticise the Trust, it’s all you ever do (ala JS 2.0)
3. If you bothered to read my original post and tried to understand it like others have done, before getting to the Trust criticism and going red in the face and punching down on your keyboard, you would have read “I’m ALMOST at the point where PART OF ME wants us to fold and come back or not exist.  You have taken that as me making a statement that I want us to fold..

I’ll use an example that will probably be before your time, but years ago, before time began, we had a player called Steve White, who came back and played against us for Hereford after spending many years with us.  You know what? The way I was FEELING at the time, maybe not anyone else but me, where my head was as at…. PART OF ME, wanted Chalkie White to score against us that day, and he did, Did I really think it would happen? Probably not, but it did, and I applauded in the crowd with many others.

You might not give a shit that I am at the end of my tether, why would you, you think I am stupid, but there are a growing number of fans who are getting to the same point as me, and you and your fuck buddies at the Trust are part of the Zombie faction that is watching us walk into the wilderness, and you are doing it while supporting the current stewardship and attacking fans that do not lap up the medicine being served up by the absolute crooks running our club and the current club groupies that are the trust, standing on the sidelines and fist bumping the owners while they fleece the fans (some of which are your paying members).

Now, unless you have anything sensible or informed to say, get back in your box or fuck off like Mr Spencer did once he had posted his ITK bullshit before being told to delete his account :smugfu:





What are you on about? I've not mentioned anything about the Trust.  I said that your statement about wanting STFC to fold is crap but i can see your point on the rest.  Wind your neck in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, December 29, 2023, 11:20:40
it's getting chippy on here, I shall get some popcorn


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, December 29, 2023, 11:34:08
What are you on about? I've not mentioned anything about the Trust.  I said that your statement about wanting STFC to fold is crap but i can see your point on the rest.  Wind your neck in.

But i did, which is why you responded.. and i didn't make a statement.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:06:17
But i did, which is why you responded.. and i didn't make a statement.

So I mentioned nothing about the Trust but you have read my mind and 'know' my post is all about the Trust... Well done

My mistake, it was a post not a statement, I apologise for my mistake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:08:12
I’ve heard that if you say ‘the trust’ three times into a mirror then stfc Manx appears and tells you you’re wrong


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:21:47
Oh look, a club with ambition and knows where they want to get to and how they want to do it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67770971


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:48:06
Oh look, a club with ambition and knows where they want to get to and how they want to do it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67770971


But all this says is they have owners that will fund the loss thee club makes? They are losing less this season than they thought, but they are still losing.

So saying they don't need to sell players to be sustainable is a complete lie really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:52:46
Just another club with owners that we would prefer to have than ours. On the basis about 91 other professional clubs are in that position, I am confident that our time will come.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:54:37
Just another club with owners that we would prefer to have than ours. On the basis about 91 other professional clubs are in that position, I am confident that our time will come.

Some would say it already did and it ended when Black sold the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:56:28
Oh look, a club with ambition and knows where they want to get to and how they want to do it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67770971


Read and weep.
We get stuck with these chancers, take, take and take.

The day we get rid of the scumbags that get saddled with our Club will be a celebration on par with winning a domestic trophy.
So much anger, sadness and pent up frustration at present.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, December 29, 2023, 12:57:17
Just another club with owners that we would prefer to have than ours. On the basis about 91 other professional clubs are in that position, I am confident that our time will come.

I think about that every single day Mate.
I hope all is well with you and your family.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:09:10
What are you on about? I've not mentioned anything about the Trust.  I said that your statement about wanting STFC to fold is crap but i can see your point on the rest.  Wind your neck in.
Genuine question. What will it take for you to realise the people running the club are lying crooks? The U.K. courts have proven it, recent events have proven it.

What more will it actually take for you to be critical of this regime and those that are meant to help protect the club from this very scenario (the Trust) who are instead actually aiding it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:12:32
Genuine question. What will it take for you to realise the people running the club are lying crooks? The U.K. courts have proven it, recent events have proven it.

What more will it actually take for you to be critical of this regime and those that are meant to help protect the club from this very scenario (the Trust) who are instead actually aiding it?

Genuine question, what does this have to do with me thinking a post (not a statement) about some one wanting the club to fold?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:16:32
Genuine question, what does this have to do with me thinking a post (not a statement) about some one wanting the club to fold?
Because you only pop up to be contrary and argue with anyone critical of the club or Trust and it’s obviously starting to annoy some people as this thread is showing.

Are you just here fishing for bites or is there a tipping point where you will actually realise we’re being ran by a bunch of shysters that should be nowhere near a football club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:18:22
 :popcorn:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:20:45
Because you only pop up to be contrary and argue with anyone critical of the club or Trust and it’s obviously starting to annoy some people as this thread is showing.

Are you just here fishing for bites or is there a tipping point where you will actually realise we’re being ran by a bunch of shysters that should be nowhere near a football club?

The part I disagreed with had nothing to do with being critical with the Club or Trust. You might have a perception about my views but it doesn't seem to tally with reality.  A forum is a place for discussion and I can give my view, no?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:22:37
Genuine question, what does this have to do with me thinking a post (not a statement) about some one wanting the club to fold?
Do you think it’s normal for a club to have convicted felons so closely associated with it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:23:35
Do you think it’s normal for a club to have convicted felons so closely associated with it?

Again, what has this got to do with my post?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:24:51
The part I disagreed with had nothing to do with being critical with the Club or Trust. You might have a perception about my views but it doesn't seem to tally with reality.  A forum is a place for discussion and I can give my view, no?
You really are insufferable, utterly incapable of giving a straight answer to a straightforward question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:24:55
Do you think it’s normal for a club to have convicted felons so closely associated with it?

Pretty normal for us, yes!

I don't want to accuse STFC_Manc of just trolling the lot of you, but their last 60 (sixty!) posts have all been in this thread. It's possible that they just feel very passionately about off the field stuff and don't care about anything on the pitch but er... it's not a typical posting approach.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 29, 2023, 13:25:09
I’m not questioning your post - just enquiring what you think about those associated with the club. Your ongoing spat on this thread has nothing to do with me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:04:40
Surely you can see he is a Troll


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:11:19
Surely you can see he is a Troll

So wanting STFC to survive is trolling? That escalated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:15:20
The club can’t survive as it is. Being sucked dry plus God knows what back door shenanigans are going on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:38:09
So wanting STFC to survive is trolling? That escalated.
I will refer you to your own comment

 A forum is a place for discussion and I can give my view, no?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:41:32
So wanting STFC to survive is trolling? That escalated.

You are very quick to criticise everyone everyone opinions on the club, but you haven’t once given your own opinion on how the club is being run.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:49:12
You are very quick to criticise everyone everyone opinions on the club, but you haven’t once given your own opinion on how the club is being run.

I wasn't commenting on how the club is being run, was I?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:57:07
I wasn't commenting on how the club is being run, was I?

Errr, maybe you should?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 29, 2023, 14:59:41
Quote from: Bogus Dave
I’ve heard that if you say ‘the trust’ three times 

we have a Trust. I thought it was a fan club now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, December 29, 2023, 15:01:14
we have a Trust. I thought it was a fan club now?
Of the owner or the Women’s team?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 15:02:23
Errr, maybe you should?

Anything else you are requesting my opinions on?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, December 29, 2023, 15:04:36
I wasn't commenting on how the club is being run, was I?

Which is my point - you jump down others throats when they are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 29, 2023, 15:19:11
I’ve heard that if you say ‘the trust’ three times into a mirror then stfc Manx appears and tells you you’re wrong

Talking of the Trust, I note from reading the last AGM minutes that officers of the Trust are appointed to two year terms with half re-elected each year. The officers who have 12 months to run after this year as they were elected last year are James Spencer (Co Vice Chair), Stuart Woollard (Secretary), Bazil Solomon, Scott Curtis and Sharon Brindson (Membership Secretary).

The officers up for renewal if they so wish this year automatically are Stephen Mytton (Chair, already stated he won't stand), Alex Pollock (Co Vice Chair), Neil Hutchings, Chris Van Roon (has supposedly resigned?), Tom Paris and Paul Hedges.

If there was a general desire to try and push for a more accountable Trust more in line with (what we think at least) is the general mood / pushing back more against the club, I think I'd be looking at trying to pass a motion to have all officers re-elected at the current AGM (not just aimed at the one obvious individual, but I think it would be helpful to see where everyone stands).

This of course all presupposes that anyone wants to stand 'against' them - there is at least one vacancy and at least two not standing so you'd need at least four new candidates before it was even a competitive election.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 29, 2023, 15:20:54
Do you get a golden season ticket if you're a trust member?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, December 29, 2023, 15:27:33
Maybe before hardman Hall started his clampdown


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, December 29, 2023, 17:19:19
Anything else you are requesting my opinions on?

Nah, we’ll start with that, see how you cope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, December 29, 2023, 19:49:53
I will refer you to your own comment

 A forum is a place for discussion and I can give my view, no?

Not if your view is wrong or stupid in Mancs eyes apparently..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 29, 2023, 20:04:33
Anyone seen the plumber there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, December 29, 2023, 20:19:31
Anyone seen the plumber there?

He is here


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 29, 2023, 20:25:02
I bet he’s not jumping out of his seat with excitement😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, December 29, 2023, 20:41:40
He is here

Is he holding onto his hat and enjoying the ride? Because the good times for our magical club are coming. COYR.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 29, 2023, 20:42:48
He’s holding his hat as we plummet down the league :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Friday, December 29, 2023, 21:39:54
I agree it's different and I've called out that in my opinion his statement is wrong and stupid.  Whether he is at the end of his tether or not, I don't really care.
hmmm alot the trust are up there own eggos or giving clem a gobjob and no i wont be joining them to try and change things because its rotten to the core
i feel sorry for the geniune ones there who are doing the best but when your nee deep in the clunge off the board then why would any fan want to be part of it
yeah thats my opinion so suck it up manny on the map


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 22:06:32
hmmm alot the trust are up there own eggos or giving clem a gobjob and no i wont be joining them to try and change things because its rotten to the core
i feel sorry for the geniune ones there who are doing the best but when your nee deep in the clunge off the board then why would any fan want to be part of it
yeah thats my opinion so suck it up manny on the map

I haven't mentioned the Trust at all, In my earlier post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, December 29, 2023, 22:12:31
Not if your view is wrong or stupid in Mancs eyes apparently..

I've said in my opinion it's a stupid post to say that your (and my) football club should just fold. I've not said you can't post it but I've given my view on it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 30, 2023, 22:24:43
The trust are alive then.

Didnt know this was public knowledge?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, December 30, 2023, 22:32:57
The trust are alive then.

Didnt know this was public knowledge?


Keeping it professional. Stinks of JS snapping and having a nibble


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, December 30, 2023, 22:42:09

Keeping it professional. Stinks of JS snapping and having a nibble

My thoughts too, stinks of Spencer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, December 30, 2023, 22:48:18
The trust are alive then.

Didnt know this was public knowledge?

I thought he said in his interview (after being caught with his pants down) that he needed to raise the £2.9m quickly but only had access to around £1.5m so had to find the rest quickly that’s why he borrowed it from who he did


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 00:25:44
My thoughts too, stinks of Spencer.

I see the admin gave a sarcastic response


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 02:14:29
I thought he said in his interview (after being caught with his pants down) that he needed to raise the £2.9m quickly but only had access to around £1.5m so had to find the rest quickly that’s why he borrowed it from who he did

If thats the case then club is only valued at £7m?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 07:38:43
The trust are alive then.

Didnt know this was public knowledge?

The crayola-covered financial accounts the club let the Trust view from across the Legends Lounge whilst distracting them with mince pies and plumbers humour said so... "See? Look, they're fuckin' real, right? Anyway, the back of my van, it said 'We repair what your husband fixed'...."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 08:49:21
If thats the case then club is only valued at £7m?
£7m for a business that the owner has confirmed as being unsustainable?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 10:02:16
Readiung have lost a shit ton more than Town and are expected to go for £50m-ish, should Agent Dai finally lose interest...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 10:18:49
They have a shiny stadium that’s worth more than that. The club as a separate entity is worth Jack shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 10:36:17
If thats the case then club is only valued at £7m?

Which I’d say is more likely than £15m


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 11:00:44
Not wishing to alarm anyone but SkyBet aren’t taking a price on us for relegation - the only club not listed.

Maybe somebody knows of a points deduction.

We are listed at other sites at 8/1 which is weird as Walsall on the same points are 125/1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 11:03:39
Surely more just a case of a few Swindon fans lumping on and bookies shitting themselves in case there's something in it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 11:04:53
Swindon fans like Clem et al maybe


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 31, 2023, 13:36:35
The crayola-covered financial accounts the club let the Trust view from across the Legends Lounge whilst distracting them with mince pies and plumbers humour said so... "See? Look, they're fuckin' real, right? Anyway, the back of my van, it said 'We repair what your husband fixed'...."

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 00:37:07
Is Morfuni here for the whole of January, overseeing the transfer window? Has anyone actually seen him yet?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 08:12:15
Is Morfuni here for the whole of January, overseeing the transfer window? Has anyone actually seen him yet?

He's been pictured multiple times since arriving. Someone on our WhatsApp group who was at Crawley sent a picture of him posing happily with his kids for a photo. Seemingly he turned up in a battered Audi A3 whilst Zav was there, stepping out of a Porche. I wonder if it was leased?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 08:30:41
https://twitter.com/Dykiejones/status/1741980631045738774

Sums up the whole operation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 09:16:43
Something I've noticed after the re-emergence of old advisory minutes after James Spencer's escapades on Trust twitter the other night is that on the original advisory board explanation, the club advised that a 'buy back option' on the shares exchanged existed in order to protect the club, yet on the latest advisory board minutes to the question is Clem gonna re-purchase them, 'he's looking into it'.

I can imagine not acquiring 100% of the club would put off some potential owners from purchasing the club, so you'd have thought it would be in Clemente's interest to already have these shares back. Gives me fears of another Jed v Power situation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 09:23:10
Something I've noticed after the re-emergence of old advisory minutes after James Spencer's escapades on Trust twitter the other night is that on the original advisory board explanation, the club advised that a 'buy back option' on the shares exchanged existed in order to protect the club, yet on the latest advisory board minutes to the question is Clem gonna re-purchase them, 'he's looking into it'.

I can imagine not acquiring 100% of the club would put off some potential owners from purchasing the club, so you'd have thought it would be in Clemente's interest to already have these shares back. Gives me fears of another Jed v Power situation.

But he'd need the money to buy them back and he hasn't got a bean, which is why he sold them in the first place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 09:24:56
I'm not exactly sure what "to protect the club" means. Unless its in order to remove pre-emption rights.

Which is a point, does the terms now dictate if Clem sells he has to offer to Kiely first - much like Power had to with Clem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 09:27:53
I'm not exactly sure what "to protect the club" means. Unless its in order to remove pre-emption rights.

Which is a point, does the terms now dictate if Clem sells he has to offer to Kiely first - much like Power had to with Clem?
Oh don't you worry, Clemente is 'looking into that' too  :doh: But 'thinks' pre-emption rights don't exist. Although I feel from previous digging, the articles of association on companies house says they do.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bedford Red on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 10:00:45
Is Morfuni here for the whole of January, overseeing the transfer window? Has anyone actually seen him yet?

He was in the Legends Lounge for the Wrexham game as my cousin spoke to both him and Charlie Austin in there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 19:33:45
This made me chuckle.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1648790777/clemento-the-unofficial-clem-morfuni?click_key=66170da5a64b2eba56c3d4e2abfd1adfe79cb480%3A1648790777&click_sum=cd3b538a&ref=shop_home_active_1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:44:23
10 people leaving the Trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:45:44
Yesterday was another tough one to take for all Town fans, but we have to look forward and remain positive that things will get back on track. Therefore, we’d like to wish you a Happy New Year.



Today we announce our AGM, which is at the end of February click here for more information.



As some experienced board members are stepping down, we will have 10 seats vacant with 3 existing board members standing again, so there's an opportunity for a reset within the Trust as we welcome applications from fans interested in making a difference. We're particularly interested in candidates with skills in accountancy, copywriting/PR, project management, IT, social media/website management, and fundraising.



Thanks also to all those who've reached out recently with constructive feedback, comments and suggestions. It’s all been discussed internally and the entire board of TrustSTFC understand your frustrations. As fellow supporters and Trust members who attend matches regularly, we are just as disheartened by current results.



Admittedly, we've been relatively quiet lately, but Trust board members have been actively working throughout December and the Christmas period to address concerns around the club. We know we made some big communication mistakes with the latest financial review, and so with the new year upon us we are committed to improving that and reaching out more regularly. 



Whilst we can’t comment on every discussion that is had with club representatives, there are many, and we suspect all the things you would want us to say have been said. You can expect more regular communication from us throughout January, and we will push for the club to do the same.



Thank you for your ongoing support.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:49:04
Wonder who the 3 standing again are?

I see Alex Pollock is standing down too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:50:22
Wonder who the 3 standing again are?

I see Alex Pollock is standing down too

Well we definitely know who 1 will be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:50:36
It's in the docs, Spencer is resigning. Restanding are:

Neil Hutchings
Paul Hedges
Tom Paris (Former Drummer Boy on here)

Of these three existing board members, all intend to apply with supporting statements and seek re-election.

The following existing Board members will automatically retain their seat:  

Sharon Brinsdon (Trust Secretary)
Bazil Solomon

So Chair, Vice Chair and Treasurer all going. The reset is happening, over to the fanbase to find some more candidates. 10 spaces available, it's not actually ten stepping down. Four going, plus van Roon went a while ago and I don't think it was announced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:53:27
It's in the docs, Spencer is resigning. Restanding are:

Neil Hutchings
Paul Hedges
Tom Paris (Former Drummer Boy on here)

Of these three existing board members, all intend to apply with supporting statements and seek re-election.

The following existing Board members will automatically retain their seat: 

Sharon Brinsdon (Trust Secretary)
Bazil Solomon

So Chair, Vice Chair and Treasurer all going. The reset is happening, over to the fanbase to find some more candidates. 10 spaces available.


Cheers, just read it.

Scott Curtis standing down too. Interesting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 21:54:48
Yeah, the guy who did the forensic accounts review and was going to presumably write the accompanying notes to the club accounts. I can imagine he and a few others have decided the stress isn't worth it. Plenty to criticise the Trust for but it can't have been much fun for the last few months. Anyone looking to stand had better have a thick skin whichever way they'd want to take it.

You need to have been a Trust member as of 1st Jan to stand for election by the way, can't join after the notice of AGM is given and then stand in that AGM (although I think you could be co-opted if there were still vacancies afterwards).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 22:25:40
Perfect time for a community takeover bid.

- create a community share offer to buy the club (10k shares at £500 a pop is 5 million)
- make the trust the majority owner of the club
- each member who buys a share has one vote
- Hold an EGM to appoint a temporary board, pending elections to appoint a permanent one
- appoint a GM who can manage an army of volunteers, plus the necessary salaried staff required to operate a football business
- all board members sit a fixed term and can stand for re-election
- publish the board meeting minutes on the club website


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 22:30:12
It's in the docs, Spencer is resigning. Restanding are:

Neil Hutchings
Paul Hedges
Tom Paris (Former Drummer Boy on here)

Of these three existing board members, all intend to apply with supporting statements and seek re-election.

The following existing Board members will automatically retain their seat:  

Sharon Brinsdon (Trust Secretary)
Bazil Solomon

So Chair, Vice Chair and Treasurer all going. The reset is happening, over to the fanbase to find some more candidates. 10 spaces available, it's not actually ten stepping down. Four going, plus van Roon went a while ago and I don't think it was announced.


Aberdeen ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 22:31:50
You need to have been a Trust member as of 1st Jan to stand for election by the way, can't join after the notice of AGM is given and then stand in that AGM (although I think you could be co-opted if there were still vacancies afterwards).

The biggest shame is that they've done this (not promoting membership ahead of these comms) as I'm sure some current non-Trust members with the appropriate skills would have stepped forward but you get the feeling that they didn't want the angry mob running for election.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 23:16:53
The biggest shame is that they've done this (not promoting membership ahead of these comms) as I'm sure some current non-Trust members with the appropriate skills would have stepped forward but you get the feeling that they didn't want the angry mob running for election.

Agreed. Massive shame. Zero chance to build bridges and renew the Trust.

Given how many have, anecdotally, binned their membership recently, they are now largely fishing in a pool of either people who are sat dead on the sofa with the post piling up in the hallway or the proverbial 'happy clappers'.

The next time someone says WhY DoNT yOU joIN If YoU cARe, the answer will be because they pulled up the drawbridge.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 23:34:01
The biggest shame is that they've done this (not promoting membership ahead of these comms) as I'm sure some current non-Trust members with the appropriate skills would have stepped forward but you get the feeling that they didn't want the angry mob running for election.
Pretty much this. I stopped being a member over a year ago so that’s me out. If there is a change of approach and it becomes what it is meant to be again then I’ll still be happy to help out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 23:46:27
The biggest shame is that they've done this (not promoting membership ahead of these comms) as I'm sure some current non-Trust members with the appropriate skills would have stepped forward but you get the feeling that they didn't want the angry mob running for election.

The election happens every year and its always been the case that you need to be a member. However, I'm sure post the agm one could (not you specific but in general) offer to support and be co opted onto the board.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 07:42:47
Good opportunity for anyone who has the time and likes being criticised by old men on the Internet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:23:08
The election happens every year and its always been the case that you need to be a member.

Yeah that's true. I think the cutoff could have been advertised a bit earlier though. I know its always been that way - but I was a member for years and didn't know!

But the door isn't closed as such, like you said.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:29:01
Agreed. Massive shame. Zero chance to build bridges and renew the Trust.

Given how many have, anecdotally, binned their membership recently, they are now largely fishing in a pool of either people who are sat dead on the sofa with the post piling up in the hallway or the proverbial 'happy clappers'.

The next time someone says WhY DoNT yOU joIN If YoU cARe, the answer will be because they pulled up the drawbridge.



I have to say this is complete nonsense.

Those people who are discontent with the trust (and its certainly made some mistakes) should have been signing up for membership, or at the very least not cancelling it, well before now.

You don't change the trust from the outside, you change it from the inside.

So people having a pop at the timing for this are being very disingenous in my opinion.

The last thing i would want for the trust is for the board to be taken over by the 'angry mob', i don't see where that gets anyone, as much as it may feel cathartic in the short term.

Ultimately the trust is at its strongest with more members and with a board that represent all the differing opinions of the fanbase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:33:35
Agreed. Massive shame. Zero chance to build bridges and renew the Trust.

Given how many have, anecdotally, binned their membership recently, they are now largely fishing in a pool of either people who are sat dead on the sofa with the post piling up in the hallway or the proverbial 'happy clappers'.

The next time someone says WhY DoNT yOU joIN If YoU cARe, the answer will be because they pulled up the drawbridge.

I'm going to take exception to this one, sorry. I think it's pretty clear from my post history that I have no problem criticising the Trust for things they have done in the current incarnation, but if you're going to write off any new board before they've even put their names forward for election, then I think you're being completely unreasonable. The new board might be a continuity group - I doubt it, but it's possible, but suggesting there's zero chance of renewal when the Chair, both Vice Chairs and Treasurer have all stepped down at once is simply ridiculous.

No doubt a number of people have resigned from the Trust - firstly I suspect they may not actually have been de-registered as members if they'd already paid their annual minimum for the year, but that's something worth checking. But you're saying here that everyone left is either not paying attention or blind to the risk, which is ridiculous. From a personal perspective, I've kept up my membership specifically *to* have a vote at the AGM which would I suspect have been against several Trustees who are now standing down.

Judge the next board by what they do, rather than your worst case scenario fears please. It's such a thankless task, I can't help but worry that nobody will want to do it. God knows I certainly don't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:40:29
Wonder who the 3 standing again are?

I see Alex Pollock is standing down too

Wondering if an alternative fans support group, one that questions the current regime more, could get set up? I'd definitely contribute to one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:44:06
I'm going to take exception to this one, sorry. I think it's pretty clear from my post history that I have no problem criticising the Trust for things they have done in the current incarnation, but if you're going to write off any new board before they've even put their names forward for election, then I think you're being completely unreasonable. The new board might be a continuity group - I doubt it, but it's possible, but suggesting there's zero chance of renewal when the Chair, both Vice Chairs and Treasurer have all stepped down at once is simply ridiculous.

No doubt a number of people have resigned from the Trust - firstly I suspect they may not actually have been de-registered as members if they'd already paid their annual minimum for the year, but that's something worth checking. But you're saying here that everyone left is either not paying attention or blind to the risk, which is ridiculous. From a personal perspective, I've kept up my membership specifically *to* have a vote at the AGM which would I suspect have been against several Trustees who are now standing down.

Judge the next board by what they do, rather than your worst case scenario fears please. It's such a thankless task, I can't help but worry that nobody will want to do it. God knows I certainly don't.

Where have I written them off?

I said "they are now largely fishing in a pool of either people who are sat dead on the sofa with the post piling up in the hallway or the proverbial 'happy clappers'."

Largely, not exclusively.

They could have had a call to action saying 'our AGM is coming up. Join if you want to have a say.' They didn't.

Given that they part own the ground now I think they should be held to a higher standard than when they were just fiddling around the edges. And that's before you get into the damage they have wrought by lashing us to Morfuni's mast.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:45:24
Wondering if an alternative fans support group, one that questions the current regime more, could get set up? I'd definitely contribute to one.

The Trust is legally now the joint custodian of the ground, so a "provisional Trust" or whatever can't take on that role. I do think there's an interesting case for what RobT described earlier in this thread and having the current Trust reduce its role to ground management and trying to get a seat on the board/some degree of fan ownership, rather than feeling that it has to be the "voice of the fans" which is the really difficult bit (guess what, fans don't all agree!).

The "fan union" role could of course be the Supporter's Club, but they have never had any interest in anything controversial. Maybe an activist fans group works, but they have the same problem as the Trust - if the club says no, what do you do next? Calling for a boycott seems a big step every time.

Where have I written them off?

I said "they are now largely fishing in a pool of either people who are sat dead on the sofa with the post piling up in the hallway or the proverbial 'happy clappers'."

Largely, not exclusively.

They could have had a call to action saying 'our AGM is coming up. Join if you want to have a say.' They didn't.

Given that they part own the ground now I think they should be held to a higher standard than when they were just fiddling around the edges. And that's before you get into the damage they have wrought by lashing us to Morfuni's mast.

If your argument is that you were only calling the vast majority of remaining Trust members "dead or happy clappers" rather than every single one, I think my point stands.

And the people you mean when you say "They" are literally all leaving. There will be a new "They" - they (the new they) might also be shit in your view. But judge them on their own actions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 08:53:36
The Trust is legally now the joint custodian of the ground, so a "provisional Trust" or whatever can't take on that role. I do think there's an interesting case for what RobT described earlier in this thread and having the current Trust reduce its role to ground management and trying to get a seat on the board/some degree of fan ownership, rather than feeling that it has to be the "voice of the fans" which is the really difficult bit (guess what, fans don't all agree!).

The "fan union" role could of course be the Supporter's Club, but they have never had any interest in anything controversial. Maybe an activist fans group works, but they have the same problem as the Trust - if the club says no, what do you do next? Calling for a boycott seems a big step every time.

If your argument is that you were only calling the vast majority of remaining Trust members "dead or happy clappers" rather than every single one, I think my point stands.

When you put it like that, perhaps it does seem a tad unreasonable. Fair enough. Apologies.

My main point is, the Trust could have been inclusive and got ahead of the negativity by giving people a chance to join ahead of the AGM. They didn't. After all of the mistakes they've made, that is a bad look.

I was a long time Trust member who left a few years ago when they tried to do a deal with Power on the ground. There is zero chance that I'd give a penny to the outgoing Trust hierarchy but I'd gladly have re-joined at this juncture.

They can say "it is the same process every year" but... you'd only know that if you were a member!!!

And that's before I get into my oft made point about the absolute mess that is the labyrinthine membership/community share structure that I think is a massive barrier to entry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:09:24
I agree the trust should reduce its role to ground custodians/ seat on the board. Not sure how they can have a campaigning role whilst needing to work with the town hierarchy.I’ve made this suggestion to them. A new campaigning fans voice organisation could be set up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:25:08
There seems to be a lot of concern about how many people have left Trust membership but I imagine that figure is 10% or below. Every summer you get the impression on social media that nobody is renewing their season ticket because of the price/manager/squad/owner and yet the figure has never dropped of a cliff. This will likely be much the same.

As for the elections, it's a chance to refresh the board and set a new course for the Trust - hopefully one which challenges the club, listens to the fans (whose opinions are broad and varied) and communicates regularly and effectively. The biggest thing likely to put good people off standing for election (time commitments aside) is the fanbase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:41:50
Could you simply rejoin and then get voted


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:45:59
I was thinking of standing, as I have enough time, but the amount of abuse those guys get puts me off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:50:19
I was thinking of standing, as I have enough time, but the amount of abuse those guys get puts me off

Indeed. Maybe one or two people should think about the abuse they give them honestly. It was said the current chairman was accosted at a game with his kid. Who the hell wants that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:50:25
Could you simply rejoin and then get voted

Had to be a member by the 1st January to stand, they of course let everyone know this on 2nd January.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 09:55:24
I believe there are protocols is somebody is keen to join the Trust board and isn't currently a member (once the new board is in place).

It was still super sneaky though  8)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 10:00:47
Could you simply rejoin and then get voted
You had to be a member
I believe there are protocols is somebody is keen to join the Trust board and isn't currently a member (once the new board is in place).

It was still super sneaky though  8)
The flip side of that argument is that if somebody has no interest in joining until there is an opportunity for a place on the board, they might not be the best choice to represent the interests of the fanbase anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 10:02:01
You had to be a member The flip side of that argument is that if somebody has no interest in joining until there is an opportunity for a place on the board, they might not be the best choice to represent the interests of the fanbase anyway.

Which is up to the members to decide! Obviously though there is a very clear risk of not enough candidates for a properly contested vote


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 10:06:19
Indeed. Maybe one or two people should think about the abuse they give them honestly. It was said the current chairman was accosted at a game with his kid. Who the hell wants that!

I heard that too. That is massively massively out of order.

If you are dissatisfied you have 3 choices IMO
 - approach the trust collective and express desire for them to change
 - stand to help action change
 - walk away from the trust

Discussion and frustrations boil over on SM, I'm guilty though not OOT I hope. I do think Spenser probably got  a fair but of personal online criticism - probably deserved but possibly a bit too personal? I dunno, didn't help himself mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 10:33:48
I heard that too. That is massively massively out of order.

If you are dissatisfied you have 3 choices IMO
 - approach the trust collective and express desire for them to change
 - stand to help action change
 - walk away from the trust

Discussion and frustrations boil over on SM, I'm guilty though not OOT I hope. I do think Spenser probably got  a fair but of personal online criticism - probably deserved but possibly a bit too personal? I dunno, didn't help himself mind.
The Mytton thing was totally out of order like you say, especially in front of his family.

Spencer however deserved everything he got the moment he started making passive aggressive threats to fans on Twitter and constantly defending Morfuni no matter what. I’d go as far to say the behaviour of Spencer is the primary reason many turned on the Trust, it was certainly the main red flag for me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:33:31
Looking back at the Trust communications since November there was an opportunity missed when Steve Mytton resigned to say 'If you are interested in joining the board do this.

I don't think it's a cynical attempt to exclude but the Trust does need to get back to reading the room on members and wider fans opinions.

Hopefully the selection and voting process gives the chance to understand what the new intake to the board represent as that has been lost in the last 12-18 months.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:06:53
It isn't just about people who want to stand. It is also about people who simply want a vote.

And as part owners of the ground, I think the Trust are morally obliged to try and make their membership as large and representative of the wider fanbase as possible.

This is shambolic at best and underhand at worst.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:21:49
It isn't just about people who want to stand. It is also about people who simply want a vote.

And as part owners of the ground, I think the Trust are morally obliged to try and make their membership as large and representative of the wider fanbase as possible.

This is shambolic at best and underhand at worst.



I don't understand what is shambolic?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:23:49
I don't understand what is shambolic?

Announcing an 'event' the day after the deadline closes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:34:32
Oh God, here we go again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:35:11
Wondering if an alternative fans support group, one that questions the current regime more, could get set up? I'd definitely contribute to one.

The Swindons peoples front or the peoples front of Swindon?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:35:40
Announcing an 'event' the day after the deadline closes.
Says in the Trust email that the AGM is in February and are looking for new board members.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:39:12
Says in the Trust email that the AGM is in February and are looking for new board members.

I believe he means that to enable you to run to be a board member, you need to be a member at 1st Jan, the email came out on the 3rd.

I don't think this is unique to Trust STFC, a quick search shows Exeter do it the same way and it happens that way every year.

https://www.weownexetercityfc.co.uk/post/re-run-election-faqs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:40:51
Surely if anybody was that interested in getting on the Trust board they’d already be a member.

What’s the big deal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:42:09
I don't understand the problem except maybe a personal vendetta.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:50:28
Surely if anybody was that interested in getting on the Trust board they’d already be a member.

What’s the big deal.

I agree and they can always join as a member and then if not all board places are filled be co opted at a later date.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 13:18:33
I was thinking of standing, as I have enough time, but the amount of abuse those guys get puts me off

Fuck off cunt.



Nah fair play, I get where you're coming from.

For me, other than the fact I don't really have the time for that sort of thing (yes, I know I'm on here all the time, usually when its dead at work) I'm probably far too pissed off and Anti Clem to be objective at this point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 13:23:22
Indeed. Maybe one or two people should think about the abuse they give them honestly. It was said the current chairman was accosted at a game with his kid. Who the hell wants that!

Pity he didn't direct his anger at Clem.

Again fans looking at all the wrong places.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 13:24:09
Spencer however deserved everything he got the moment he started making passive aggressive threats to fans on Twitter and constantly defending Morfuni no matter what. I’d go as far to say the behaviour of Spencer is the primary reason many turned on the Trust, it was certainly the main red flag for me.

Fair.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 13:47:40
Surely if anybody was that interested in getting on the Trust board they’d already be a member.

What’s the big deal.
I think that this ignores the proportion of people who want the best for the club, who have chosen to leave as they perceive them as ineffective. I have chosen to stay a member of the trust as I think being inside the tent is better, but i think it diminishes others intentions to just write it off.

Alex Pollock said on twitter that the timing of the email was by the regulations (8 weeks prior to the meeting) but also said he's chosen to stand down and informed the trust weeks before.
I think it's likely that the trust knew the amount of vacancies there would be to fill.
I think they could have tweeted about this and how it COULD be a change in direction, get involved, but they've chosen not to.
To my mind - that's an opportunity missed, although i won't ascribe that to ill intent just yet


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 14:47:06
Do all these Trust resignations suggest that there isn't a sale in the pipeline? Or at least that they are aware of.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 14:59:45
The Trust were unaware that the current owner had sold off a portion of the club for months, not sure why they'd get any inside track about potential new owners until a deal was close or signed.

My wish remains that they back off worrying about being a voice for fans, or the club, or doing all the nuts and bolts stuff they've spent time doing (like funding xmas parties, no matter how well meant).  Drive the club to get a ground development master plan out and work on how to get influence in the running of the club (from representation all the way up to owning the thing).  The amount of talent and time required will be much more focused if they do this.  I can only only imagine the disaster it must be to try and spin so many plates when you are a volunteer organisation.

Trust, of which I am a member, you are doing too much.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 15:06:59
The Trust were unaware that the current owner had sold off a portion of the club for months, not sure why they'd get any inside track about potential new owners until a deal was close or signed.

To be fair, so was the notional CEO of the club...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:26:35
Fans forum on the 30th of January then with Morfuni in attendance. Just booked my tickets, need as many there as possible to really make them squirm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:29:28
My wish remains that they back off worrying about being a voice for fans, or the club, or doing all the nuts and bolts stuff they've spent time doing (like funding xmas parties, no matter how well meant).  Drive the club to get a ground development master plan out and work on how to get influence in the running of the club (from representation all the way up to owning the thing).  The amount of talent and time required will be much more focused if they do this.  I can only only imagine the disaster it must be to try and spin so many plates when you are a volunteer organisation.

Trust, of which I am a member, you are doing too much.

Surely the role of the Trust is to represent the fanbase to the club, and lobby the club on behalf of the fans?  The moment this role becomes more operational then this level of critical, objective thinking becomes difficult to achieve.

Out of interest is anyone on this forum an active member of the Trust, or would they like to be?  There's a big difference between shouting from the sidelines and being the change you want to see (I've had it up to here with cliches).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:33:00
Do all these Trust resignations suggest that there isn't a sale in the pipeline? Or at least that they are aware of.

Is there any evidence to suggest a sale IS in the pipeline?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:36:48
Is there any evidence to suggest a sale IS in the pipeline?

Just rumours of a couple of potentials being put off, sadly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:40:05
Fans forum 30/01….questions to be sent in advance.

https://x.com/official_stfc/status/1742595426660823205?s=46&t=0MfxcdRil4o5ViEVSniKBA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:40:13
friend of mine works for a specialist sport M&A business and worked on the sales of QPR, Aston Villa and others.  I asked him if he had any contact with STFC recently and he replied "no, I think that falls into the 'too hard' category - sounds like a proper shit show".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 17:49:24
Fans forum 30/01….questions to be sent in advance.

https://x.com/official_stfc/status/1742595426660823205?s=46&t=0MfxcdRil4o5ViEVSniKBA

Looks like Pep Guardiola watching on in that photo.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:08:54
Fans forum 30/01….questions to be sent in advance.

https://x.com/official_stfc/status/1742595426660823205?s=46&t=0MfxcdRil4o5ViEVSniKBA

So they will either be slapping themselves on the back for a great transfer window or telling fans transfer deadline day is the big one for us.

Or cancelling the whole thing because transfer deadline day is too important


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:12:51
Surely the role of the Trust is to represent the fanbase to the club, and lobby the club on behalf of the fans?  The moment this role becomes more operational then this level of critical, objective thinking becomes difficult to achieve.

Out of interest is anyone on this forum an active member of the Trust, or would they like to be?  There's a big difference between shouting from the sidelines and being the change you want to see (I've had it up to here with cliches).

Outside of the Ground Development as a wider project, should the Trust be providing resources and effort to the building and installation of a Don Rogers Statue?  i don't think so.  If it were part of a grand scheme to redevelop the ground, then yes, but right now it is not, it is was started separate to that vehicle.

Should Trust STFC be covering the costs of an OAP Xmas dinner?  No.  It's job is to be an independent fans representation vehicle.  Good cause, wrong people.

Should the Trust be exerting effort setting up and running an STFC Museum with tours of the CG?  Not likely.  Again, volunteer support for such a thing may well be a good idea, but the club should be responsible for owning and delivering such items.  Where this works well, it is run by the club and generates Revenue.

In my view, the Trust have got involved in too many items that should be run by either the club, the Official Supporters Club or the sole responsibility of the CG Joint Venture (yes, I know the Trust gives two people towards that Board, but I'd like it ring fenced within that Organisation, not part of general Trust activity).

The people who offer written support of the Trust on here often make the point it's run by volunteers, and that we shouldn't expect the world as a result.  I agree - focus.

Your point about giving feedback to the club on behalf of the fans, I'd put that within the goal of seeking better representation (up to full ownership).  A good objective would be to have a much more official way of doing this, rather than tea and biscuits once a month.  This should be much more strategic and part of having a rep on the Board (which I am not assuming any owner would just give freely - work on a plan to gain sufficient investment to force their hands though).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:22:04
Fans forum 30/01….questions to be sent in advance.

https://x.com/official_stfc/status/1742595426660823205?s=46&t=0MfxcdRil4o5ViEVSniKBA

Suggests we aren't getting sold this month then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:28:33
Send your questions in advance so they can vet them.

Grow some balls and face the music


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:30:33
Send your questions in advance so they can vet them.

Grow some balls and face the music

Going to be all shite about the flavours of the crisps in the kiosk isn't it? Advisory board on steroids.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:34:03
Send your questions in advance so they can vet them.

Grow some balls and face the music

It does also say

The format of the Fans Forum will be changed slightly to the previous ones we’ve held, with fans given the opportunity to send in their questions before sitting down for the Fans Forum at the end of the month, whilst also being given the chance to ask any question that may arise on the evening as well.

Will be interesting to see if there’s enough time for those questions ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:42:24
Send your questions in advance so they can vet them.

Grow some balls and face the music

Nonsensical questions about whether a Tom Broadbent statue is warranted,  or what Clem's favourite takeaway is will be on the questions agenda.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 18:52:16
It does also say

The format of the Fans Forum will be changed slightly to the previous ones we’ve held, with fans given the opportunity to send in their questions before sitting down for the Fans Forum at the end of the month, whilst also being given the chance to ask any question that may arise on the evening as well.

Will be interesting to see if there’s enough time for those questions ;)

45 mins. Waffle long enough & that’s not many questions


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 19:01:11
As much as it might be fun to submit questions along the lines of 'why should we believe anything you say when you've admitted lying to us repeatedly?' it probably would be more effective to try and get commitments on some key issues with questions that aren't outwardly angry and aggressive. Clem, I think more than any owner we've had apart from maybe Jed, wants people to like him and will say what he thinks people want to hear. If those questions are well aimed, you might get some actually useful commitments.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 19:32:11
Outside of the Ground Development as a wider project, should the Trust be providing resources and effort to the building and installation of a Don Rogers Statue?  i don't think so.  If it were part of a grand scheme to redevelop the ground, then yes, but right now it is not, it is was started separate to that vehicle.

Should Trust STFC be covering the costs of an OAP Xmas dinner?  No.  It's job is to be an independent fans representation vehicle.  Good cause, wrong people.

Should the Trust be exerting effort setting up and running an STFC Museum with tours of the CG?  Not likely.  Again, volunteer support for such a thing may well be a good idea, but the club should be responsible for owning and delivering such items.  Where this works well, it is run by the club and generates Revenue.

In my view, the Trust have got involved in too many items that should be run by either the club, the Official Supporters Club or the sole responsibility of the CG Joint Venture (yes, I know the Trust gives two people towards that Board, but I'd like it ring fenced within that Organisation, not part of general Trust activity).

The people who offer written support of the Trust on here often make the point it's run by volunteers, and that we shouldn't expect the world as a result.  I agree - focus.

Your point about giving feedback to the club on behalf of the fans, I'd put that within the goal of seeking better representation (up to full ownership).  A good objective would be to have a much more official way of doing this, rather than tea and biscuits once a month.  This should be much more strategic and part of having a rep on the Board (which I am not assuming any owner would just give freely - work on a plan to gain sufficient investment to force their hands though).

While I can understand your view to a certain degree, the board can have up to 12 members and recently they have had a full quota. With that many people they all can't be involved in the same thing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 20:16:03
Your point about giving feedback to the club on behalf of the fans, I'd put that within the goal of seeking better representation (up to full ownership).  A good objective would be to have a much more official way of doing this, rather than tea and biscuits once a month.  This should be much more strategic and part of having a rep on the Board (which I am not assuming any owner would just give freely - work on a plan to gain sufficient investment to force their hands though).

My local team Bath City is fan-owned (technically the supporters society) and has a Community Director on the board plus a supporter liaison officer who attends board meetings, the minutes of which are all published on the club website. This often results in working groups staffed by club and fan reps being set up to work on a specific project, such as matchday experience, fundraisers, tidying up the ground and so on.

Clearly a EFL club is a different proposition to NL South, but it's only actually two leagues apart and I bet some NLS clubs have better (ie less bad) balance sheets!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 20:33:13
My local team Bath City is fan-owned (technically the supporters society) and has a Community Director on the board plus a supporter liaison officer who attends board meetings, the minutes of which are all published on the club website. This often results in working groups staffed by club and fan reps being set up to work on a specific project, such as matchday experience, fundraisers, tidying up the ground and so on.

Clearly a EFL club is a different proposition to NL South, but it's only actually two leagues apart and I bet some NLS clubs have better (ie less bad) balance sheets!

Same at Banbury United who i volunteer for


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 09:27:57
Representing the fans is fine. Too often, the Trust has been used to make excuses on the club's behalf and launder their reputation - in the most egregious examples, I feel it has been used to manufacture consent for matters such as the Man City ticket increases or the short lived blanket ban on under 16s where it was revealed on the OSC that the club hadn't fixed the CCTV in the Town End, so were just speculating that they were responsible with no evidence. As relations with the club have deteriorated, the insistence on non-anonymised names when people have asking about the validity of people with questionable backgrounds, or indeed one vice chair going on a witchhunt to 'out' anonymous social media accounts is equally bizarre and troubling - the SN1 Stazi.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 09:37:46
I don't have a problem with questions being submitted in advance - some questions are genuinely difficult to answer and need a thorough look through the relevant figures, policies and communications before giving an accurate/helpful/informative answer. They key thing will be whether questions are vetted, and whether time is indeed allowed for 'live' follow up questions as promised.

Agree to an extent on the need for the Trust to focus its resources - that will be a discussion for the new board. Perhaps some of the current initiatives could be handed over to the club in time, with revenues from a museum being designated towards a specific area of expenditure such as stadium maintenance or matchday facilities. (The counter argument being that this might simply enable other funds to be channelled into pockets - an issue which might have been clarified by a proper forensic analysis of the ledger).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 09:54:24
I don't have a problem with questions being submitted in advance

it's not like you can't submit on the day, though scheduling may prove tricky if there is a number of pre-canned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 09:56:21
While I can understand your view to a certain degree, the board can have up to 12 members and recently they have had a full quota. With that many people they all can't be involved in the same thing?
In my opinion - Personally they can, but the Trust should not be running things that the club should be.
I welcome the reset that looks as if it's happening, the trust needs a new mission and needs a coherent strategy to deal with the ground, as Rob has outlined.
IMO a changing of the guard isn't going to work, creating something to be held up against is the only way the trust can actually win back support


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 10:32:31
I had a quick look at Twitter this morning, and in my Twitter echo chamber I noticed a few tweets and replies from people suggesting that the outgoing Trust board has been hounded out by the agressive fanbase, obviously no mention of the agressive manner on Twitter of at least one of the outgoing board members.

Put the stupid incident at the ground with Steve Myton's family to one side (which was unacceptable) but i think it is a push to say that questioning the actions (or inactions) of the Trust and holding them to account in the same way that they should be holding the club to account is hounding them out.  Members do pay money to the Trust which should get them a voice, and if they feel that the voice isn't be listened to then they have a right to call that out. Criticism shouldn't be mistaken as agression, which it often is.

I just thought it was weird that all of a sudden I saw a lot of tweets delivering a similar rhetoric along the same lines of our CEO, i.e. it's all the fans fault.  Granted these tweeters could be the same people that are full on pro Clem on the facebook page and will go after anyone that dares to criticise the club or anyone associated with it and defend the club to the hilt.  Whether that rhetoric is by design or not, who knows, but will be interesting to see if that continues.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 11:10:29
I just thought it was weird that all of a sudden I saw a lot of tweets delivering a similar rhetoric along the same lines of our CEO, i.e. it's all the fans fault.  Granted these tweeters could be the same people that are full on pro Clem on the facebook page and will go after anyone that dares to criticise the club or anyone associated with it and defend the club to the hilt.  Whether that rhetoric is by design or not, who knows, but will be interesting to see if that continues.

Fair question. Not really considered it being a "spread my word minions" scenario - not that you are saying it is.

I've always seen it as what you said, a set of fans that believe and accept the club line without question (or with but reaching the conclusion its correct). Same thing happened when Power went on BBC Wilts - ya known shaaaaun.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 12:42:16
I don't have a problem with questions being submitted in advance - some questions are genuinely difficult to answer and need a thorough look through the relevant figures, policies and communications before giving an accurate/helpful/informative answer. They key thing will be whether questions are vetted, and whether time is indeed allowed for 'live' follow up questions as promised.

Agree to an extent on the need for the Trust to focus its resources - that will be a discussion for the new board. Perhaps some of the current initiatives could be handed over to the club in time, with revenues from a museum being designated towards a specific area of expenditure such as stadium maintenance or matchday facilities. (The counter argument being that this might simply enable other funds to be channelled into pockets - an issue which might have been clarified by a proper forensic analysis of the ledger).

The museum is a charity in its own right with trustees and isn't run by the Trust, the trust provides updates as a good way of communicating to fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 13:01:34
The museum is a charity in its own right with trustees and isn't run by the Trust, the trust provides updates as a good way of communicating to fans.
Ah, thanks. My mistake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 13:28:05
I've seen the schedule for the fans forum and it almost looks like they have everyone there from the marketing guy to the women's manager, now to be honest the evening is not going to be about the women's team or the academy this time, its going to be about Clem trying to defend himself from more criticism and how the club has been run, and Flynn talking about players and who we have signed and who we haven't.

I feel that with all the extra people and only allowing 45 mins for boardroom and then 45 mins for anything football don't give a lot of time, and they will be wanting to wrap it up by 9.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 13:33:01
Yeah i think with the number of people on the panel, and the time split this is going to be a bit of a waste of time.

Has there ever been a fans forum that has not been a waste of time though?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 13:46:21
If there’s no opportunity for audience engagement then they may as well pre-record it behind closed doors. They’ll also be able to edit the inevitable PR own goals by the CEO that way!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 13:48:35
The museum is a charity in its own right with trustees and isn't run by the Trust, the trust provides updates as a good way of communicating to fans.

I am also fully aware of the set-up here, my point is that time is being used, even if only a very limited amount, in supporting it from the Trust.  It also appears under the Trust update on the AB meeting.  It shouldn't have anything to do with the Trust, in my personal opinion, if you want an effective Trust.  

Don't confuse that in any way, shape or form, with suggesting the Museum is a bad idea.  Far from it, I think it is a great idea.  Something the JV could own, or the club, with the support of a registered Charity (which I presume helps with tax implications and enabling volunteer hours).

Every man hour spent on something that doesn't serve the core purpose is an hour wasted.  Those man hours are very valuable and need to be used wisely and sparingly.  I think a lot of the issues the Trust is facing stem from trying to be everything to everyone.  Sure, a good working relationship with the club can help, but it is NOT vital if doing so impedes delivering the core purpose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 14:17:38
I am also fully aware of the set-up here, my point is that time is being used, even if only a very limited amount, in supporting it from the Trust.  It also appears under the Trust update on the AB meeting.  It shouldn't have anything to do with the Trust, in my personal opinion, if you want an effective Trust. 

Don't confuse that in any way, shape or form, with suggesting the Museum is a bad idea.  Far from it, I think it is a great idea.  Something the JV could own, or the club, with the support of a registered Charity (which I presume helps with tax implications and enabling volunteer hours).

Every man hour spent on something that doesn't serve the core purpose is an hour wasted.  Those man hours are very valuable and need to be used wisely and sparingly.  I think a lot of the issues the Trust is facing stem from trying to be everything to everyone.  Sure, a good working relationship with the club can help, but it is NOT vital if doing so impedes delivering the core purpose.

My feelings on it too. Spending too much time in the wrong areas and if they don't reconsider, all that'll be left of this football club is what you can put in a museum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 18:14:14
James Phipps standing for the trust board again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 18:36:49
Been a Trust member for many years* but not overly au fait with the inns & outs of the board over the years, but potentially having Phipps back on board strikes me as a positive move?

*I'm not dead or necessarily a couch potato "happy clapper" whatever the fuck one of those is.
Trying to have a positive outlook on all aspects of life despite numerous hurdles along the way is a good thing no?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 18:44:42
Quote from: tans
James Phipps standing for the trust board again

That sounds good to me.

I thought he'd disappeared


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 18:46:13
No chance of Aberdeen running again I wonder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 18:51:49
No chance of Aberdeen running again I wonder.

Isn't he part of the old guard you don't like?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 18:55:22
Isn't he part of the old guard you don't like?

The old guard I don’t like?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 19:01:12
The old guard I don’t like?

I'm not sure that comment was directed at you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 21:01:05
Isn't he part of the old guard you don't like?

When have I ever had an issue with Rob Angus?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 21:49:27
I think he is pointing out that Rob Angus was involved with the Trust when it cultivated the relationship with Clem, which started before he purchased the club because Clem was meeting with them about the ground purchase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, January 5, 2024, 11:15:29
When did early bird season tickets go on sale last year?

I’m actually fascinated by how they will approach this…

#competitivebudget


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 5, 2024, 11:19:40
When did early bird season tickets go on sale last year?

I’m actually fascinated by how they will approach this…

#competitivebudget

March/April I think


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, January 5, 2024, 11:44:22
Season tickets were first mentioned mid March last year as far as I can tell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 5, 2024, 11:53:07
They’ll save some money on printing costs next season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 5, 2024, 12:44:17
I think he is pointing out that Rob Angus was involved with the Trust when it cultivated the relationship with Clem, which started before he purchased the club because Clem was meeting with them about the ground purchase.

I would expect his dealings with Clem will have enlightened him somewhat, otherwise he'd still be at the club.

If you're still expecting Angus to be a clem fan.....I didn't even consider anyone would think that would be possible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 5, 2024, 12:59:04
Think they are still close


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Friday, January 5, 2024, 19:11:28
looks like a deal to redevelop the county ground are at an advacned stage with aussie contracter winning the harts and morfunis off the board


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, January 5, 2024, 19:22:21
Think they are still close

Think or know?
If you know, define ‘close’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 12:06:24
I think.

They were very close and there is no way Rob did not know the ins & outs of what is going on at the club. It's another reason i blieve/believed that Clem had/has the best intentions but unfortunately did not realise just how bad the people he has got into bed with


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 14:48:06
Hart and Hall having a good old chinwag in the Directors’ Box.

Clem has arrived looking jolly too.

 :suicide:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 17:27:12
Hart and Hall having a good old chinwag in the Directors’ Box.

Clem has arrived looking jolly too.

 :suicide:

Cunts the lot of them. Fucking parasites.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 18:25:07
Hart and Hall having a good old chinwag in the Directors’ Box.

Clem has arrived looking jolly too.

 :suicide:

Not related in anyway but cocaine usage can make people very chatty, confident and ignorant/arrogant to the reality that surrounds them. When it wears off, it can also make people very angry and agitated - especially when questioned about something; which also bears similarities with anabolic steroid abuse too.

Just an observation and to clarify totally not connected to any of the people mentioned in your above sentence


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 19:14:25
Not related in anyway but cocaine usage can make people very chatty, confident and ignorant/arrogant to the reality that surrounds them. When it wears off, it can also make people very angry and agitated - especially when questioned about something; which also bears similarities with anabolic steroid abuse too.

Just an observation and to clarify totally not connected to any of the people mentioned in your above sentence

Hart is/was a dealer. Did he not watch scarface? Don't get high off your own supply.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 09:00:17
I was talking to Derek (the guy from Northampton that goes to every game, every season) and even he is getting to the point where he’s questioning whether to go.

Clearly as committed as he is he will keep going & buying a ST but it is an indication of how even the most committed fans are starting to waiver


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:12:02
I was talking to Derek (the guy from Northampton that goes to every game, every season) and even he is getting to the point where he’s questioning whether to go.

Clearly as committed as he is he will keep going & buying a ST but it is an indication of how even the most committed fans are starting to waiver
Derek is a great bloke, I was randomly sat with him on a train from Northampton to Coventry the last time we played them there, I was at Northampton for my wifes conference and thought I would take in the game while she was away.

We had a good chat about the old times and how he is still mates with Scott Endersby who runs a pub near Kettering.

If he stops going then we are in trouble, glad hes got over his bad Covid now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:28:15
So this on FB yesterday.

Really???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:34:40
Derek is a great bloke, I was randomly sat with him on a train from Northampton to Coventry the last time we played them there, I was at Northampton for my wifes conference and thought I would take in the game while she was away.

We had a good chat about the old times and how he is still mates with Scott Endersby who runs a pub near Kettering.


If he stops going then we are in trouble, glad hes got over his bad Covid now.

Do you know the name of the pub? We're going on a brewery tour somewhere around there in a few weeks. It's a part of the county I'm unfamiliar with tbh.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:35:56
So this on FB yesterday.

Really???

We could still very much go down. I don't think we will, but it's a dangerous thing to be messing about with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:41:06
Whilst on the subject of FB. Something I've seen recently, I think as some kind of odd defence of Morfuni, is that people are asking for evidence of people 'queueing' up to buy us. Not that I know a lot about football takeovers, but I imagine serious investors tend to do their business behind the scenes and have to sign NDAs etc which they are forensically going through the business.

They don't turn up as a group, have photos taken about the gaff announcing press releases that they are looking to buy the club. Interest HAS and continues to happen. Proper investors will need to leave no stone unturned at the club, unfortunately we've got more stones than most as well as court cases pending. It's a right Pandora's box of a club I imagine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:42:47
Was saying yesterday if the transfer window reflects the fact that we are just trying to finish in front of two other teams then I’m done.

I’m not expecting a raft of top signings, but something that suggests that we are at least trying to build for the future


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:43:17
Whilst on the subject of FB. Something I've seen recently, I think as some kind of odd defence of Morfuni, is that people are asking for evidence of people 'queueing' up to buy us. Not that I know a lot about football takeovers, but I imagine serious investors tend to do their business behind the scenes and have to sign NDAs etc which they are forensically going through the business.

They don't turn up as a group, have photos taken about the gaff announcing press releases that they are looking to buy the club. Interest HAS and continues to happen. Proper investors will need to leave no stone unturned at the club, unfortunately we've got more stones than most as well as court cases pending. It's a right Pandora's box of a club I imagine.

They has been and will continue to be people interested, to some areas, the Middle East for example, buying an English football club is seen as cool and fashionable atm. Nobody will be interested with a few things still not quite clear as many have alluded to, there’s plenty of other clubs they can choose from.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:49:18
They has been and will continue to be people interested, to some areas, the Middle East for example, buying an English football club is seen as cool and fashionable atm. Nobody will be interested with a few things still not quite clear as many have alluded to, there’s plenty of other clubs they can choose from.

Recent clubs that have had new owners include Carlisle, Walsall and Gillingham. Despite our grim history behind the scenes we are an attractive proposition.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 11:52:49
Recent clubs that have had new owners include Carlisle, Walsall and Gillingham. Despite our grim history behind the scenes we are an attractive proposition.

We won’t be until all the skeletons are out the closet and the court cases and FA charges are finished


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 12:13:13
Was saying yesterday if the transfer window reflects the fact that we are just trying to finish in front of two other teams then I’m done.

I’m not expecting a raft of top signings, but something that suggests that we are at least trying to build for the future

I think that’s exactly what they’re planning, but my hope is that it is because they’ll race out of town as soon as the court case is done. I’ve no idea when it’ll be heard. This lot aren’t building for the future (or at least, not the club’s anyway).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 12:23:43
Do you know the name of the pub? We're going on a brewery tour somewhere around there in a few weeks. It's a part of the county I'm unfamiliar with tbh.
No mate, the chat was 6 years ago and I can barely remember 6 days ago at the moment! Also he may not even still be running it after all these years I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 12:26:24
Whilst on the subject of FB. Something I've seen recently, I think as some kind of odd defence of Morfuni, is that people are asking for evidence of people 'queueing' up to buy us. Not that I know a lot about football takeovers, but I imagine serious investors tend to do their business behind the scenes and have to sign NDAs etc which they are forensically going through the business.

They don't turn up as a group, have photos taken about the gaff announcing press releases that they are looking to buy the club. Interest HAS and continues to happen. Proper investors will need to leave no stone unturned at the club, unfortunately we've got more stones than most as well as court cases pending. It's a right Pandora's box of a club I imagine.

….whilst the above is likely true - it’s a massive part of the problem.

The people taking over football clubs just seem to fancy taking over football clubs. There are no links there or as far as I can see there is particular reason why these people pick Carlisle.

IF there are interest parties out there (and I’m extremely doubtful) if they the club aren’t playing ball - they probably just move onto the next club.

IF they did want Swindon - then getting your face over social media, on the back of the adver, on the forums would be the best thing to do because then people can actually see there is an alternative. People will have to pick a side. It will gain traction - it’s ironically exactly what Clem did went on the charm offensive.

….because unless you’ve got deep insider knowledge (and you haven’t) any going Town fan does not see an alternative to Clem.

People can call Clem a cunt all they want on here. People can all the fans who aren’t calling him a cunt  cucks as much as they want but it achieves nothing because what is the alternative? Where is the alternative?

Who do we get behind?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 12:29:45
I know it’s a different world now but when we wanted Diamandis out and Bill Power was interested and PaulD was head of the Trust - they were both over the back of the Adver, they were at games.

I met Bill Power. A lot of us met Bill Power.
It made it extremely easy to pick a side


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 12:35:01
I’ll ask this one again.

What is the best outcome for the club in the Power/Standing case? And how would whoever wins affect the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 13:14:36
We won’t be until all the skeletons are out the closet and the court cases and FA charges are finished

The trouble is, it isn’t a closet. It’s a full blown morgue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 13:18:53
With decaying bodies🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 13:26:36
With decaying bodies🤣

You're confusing it with our transfer policy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 13:45:07
You're confusing it with our transfer policy.

Everything is decaying.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 13:57:15
Everything is decaying.
sure is decaying until clem ,flynn and hatswell go we will just keep dropping to we leave the league  altogether.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 14:16:08
I’ll ask this one again.

What is the best outcome for the club in the Power/Standing case? And how would whoever wins affect the club.

I think it would be Standing winning, because Power would be liable to pay him back some money and he may find that easier than the drip drip effort at STFC.  The fact Standing let Clem take over without resolving his own ownership situation always seemed a bit weird.

If Power wins, then the ownership situation becomes clear - he sold it to Clem on paper, done.  Problem may be that the associated parties end-up out of pocket if that happens, so they need more returns before letting go.

I could be way off the mark though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 14:25:30
nobody knows which decade the case is due to be heard. frustrating


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 14:37:06
I’ll ask this one again.

What is the best outcome for the club in the Power/Standing case? And how would whoever wins affect the club.
As it's a matter between two parties that aren't Swindon Town Football Club, it shouldn't directly impact the club legally. Only impact is going to be points deduction due to a party putting funds into the club that they weren't allowed to do so. I think this happens regardless of who wins the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 14:46:03
If Standing wins it proves the FA charges against us without them really having to do much else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 16:59:17
As it's a matter between two parties that aren't Swindon Town Football Club, it shouldn't directly impact the club legally. Only impact is going to be points deduction due to a party putting funds into the club that they weren't allowed to do so. I think this happens regardless of who wins the case.

 it would be interesting to know what  the outcomes could be . it seems that no one has much of an idea


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 17:21:55
I've just sat and written all of the 2024 fixtures into my new diary and it occurred to me that I've never wished for a season to end this early in my life! An utterly depressing league at the best of times, and it is fair to say that these are anything but.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 17:26:36
Season stopped in September for me. Been to one game since, withdrawn sponsorhip and season tickets given to friends every week. I enjoy absolutely nothing about going to the games anymore


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:26:14
….whilst the above is likely true - it’s a massive part of the problem.

The people taking over football clubs just seem to fancy taking over football clubs. There are no links there or as far as I can see there is particular reason why these people pick Carlisle.

IF there are interest parties out there (and I’m extremely doubtful) if they the club aren’t playing ball - they probably just move onto the next club.

IF they did want Swindon - then getting your face over social media, on the back of the adver, on the forums would be the best thing to do because then people can actually see there is an alternative. People will have to pick a side. It will gain traction - it’s ironically exactly what Clem did went on the charm offensive.

….because unless you’ve got deep insider knowledge (and you haven’t) any going Town fan does not see an alternative to Clem.

People can call Clem a cunt all they want on here. People can all the fans who aren’t calling him a cunt  cucks as much as they want but it achieves nothing because what is the alternative? Where is the alternative?

Who do we get behind?

The trust should really be working on this.

Rumours the AZ Alkmaar owners were interested. Wonder if any attempt to contact them was made.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:39:27
The trust should really be working on this.

Rumours the AZ Alkmaar owners were interested. Wonder if any attempt to contact them was made.

They should certainly be spearheading any alternative option available and/or trying to seek out viable alternatives but that’s reliant on what skills & contacts they have - for example Bill Power came about because he knew Mark Devlin who had worked here…

I also expect - the Trust themselves (…and Trust members & fans) might be thinking once bitten, twice shy because that’s exactly what Clem did.

He was the alternative and we were so desperate for an alternative & it’s the same situation again - with zero guarantees the alternative would even be any better. Sure, a clean break would probably help but it might no difference or even make things worse….

In hindsight we were all so blinded by the fact Clem wasn’t Lee Power


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:50:53
My biggest fear is signing a few players and everyone thinking that's resolved and clem is back in the good books


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 19:22:31
My biggest fear is signing a few players and everyone thinking that's resolved and clem is back in the good books

Some think it goes away with one win, we can't keep worrying the bottom of the barrel IQ Swindon fan online represent any sort of majority.

Back in the Diamandis days you wouldn't know these people existed, but I don't doubt they did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 19:53:33
Some think it goes away with one win, we can't keep worrying the bottom of the barrel IQ Swindon fan online represent any sort of majority.

Back in the Diamandis days you wouldn't know these people existed, but I don't doubt they did.

Yeah the comments of ‘where are the moaners now we won today’ do my absolute fucking head in.

Always the same people aswell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: yeo on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 20:22:44
Some think it goes away with one win, we can't keep worrying the bottom of the barrel IQ Swindon fan online represent any sort of majority.

Back in the Diamandis days you wouldn't know these people existed, but I don't doubt they did.

As I remember it a fair amount of the fan base thought the protesting against Diamandis/etc was unnecessarily rocking the boat ..I might be remembering it wrong though..im old


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 20:27:20
I'm sure you're not. And Diamandis didn't even have to pull a pint.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 20:47:50
I remember getting a fair bit of shit when handing out the orange hats behind the Arkells.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 20:57:11
I remember getting a fair bit of shit when handing out the orange hats behind the Arkells.

Did you genuinely buy the hats? I also thought people got them themselves!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 21:11:44
Think the Trust bought the hats


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 21:17:04
Think the Trust bought the hats

Bingo, I was just one of the mugs handing them out! Fair few ended up in the away end...  :-[


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 21:24:06
I remember getting a fair bit of shit when handing out the orange hats behind the Arkells.

I’ve still got one


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: yeo on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 21:35:57
Think the Trust bought the hats

back when the Trust board were Trots and agitators like Paul Davies   ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 22:01:35
Did you genuinely buy the hats? I also thought people got them themselves!
Definately freebies, think I’ve still got mine somewhere.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 22:15:57
I think I contributed to the trust towards the cost of the hats. Might be mistaken.

they were certainly given out free


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:19:27
back when the Trust board were Trots and agitators like Paul Davies   ;)
I read that as aligators! PD will be chuffed with that comparison!

I still have my orange hat somewhere too TBH.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 8, 2024, 15:23:37
https://theinkswindon.substack.com/p/reading-the-room-with-the-vision?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=2u4mk7&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boeta on Monday, January 8, 2024, 18:11:38
Do we know how much Kiely and Palladorio paid for their 22%?

It was to pay off a £2.9mill debt, right? But Clem may have paid some of it..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 8, 2024, 18:19:13
Based on printed/spoken "truths", somewhere between 1.4m and 2.9m


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Monday, January 8, 2024, 19:08:11
I read that as aligators! PD will be chuffed with that comparison!

I still have my orange hat somewhere too TBH.

No more lefties left, we all died with Corbyn.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 8, 2024, 19:24:27
https://www.saddlers.co.uk/news/2024/january/club-statement-annual-report-and-accounts-for-the-year-ended-31st-may-2023/

Good set of results from Walsall.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 8, 2024, 19:32:34
and, like the Gillingham revaluation effort, gives an indication of the impact owning (even 50%) a ground can have on the Balance Sheet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, January 8, 2024, 19:34:50
Interesting to see their costs are only about £600k a year less than ours. However quickly looking at their season last year, they got to the FA Cup fourth round which probably helped quite a bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Monday, January 8, 2024, 19:44:44
Can you imagine us releasing a statement with anywhere near the same detail as that? Absolutely no chance!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 15:02:53
Accounts have to be with Companies House by 29th Feb, can't wait to peruse them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 15:08:52
The new and improved accounts with details and commentary to match Carlisle's I expect.......(this is indeed one of my forum questions, especially given Hall was alerted to them in his Q&A - I imagine he has struggled to remember the name of the team though).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 16:57:34
Interesting to see their costs are only about £600k a year less than ours

It is. Do we know hoe much our staff costs were relative to theirs (4,458 mil)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 17:41:09
It is. Do we know hoe much our staff costs were relative to theirs (4,458 mil)

No, it is not a number we declare.  We provide the average number of employees - 128 in 2021/22.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 00:25:41
Benjamin Boycott (Sir Geoff's cousin?) is exec of Trivela who own Walsall and lend them fucking loadsamoney, Their UK bosses, are they the Portugeezers that once were diddling with us?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:03:54
What we need is an ITV drama about the trials and tribulations surrounding the events at the County Ground over the last thirty odd years.

Problem is, who would Toby Jones play?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:13:17
No, it is not a number we declare.  We provide the average number of employees - 128 in 2021/22.

Ah thanks.

Walsall have 106 (67 playing/coaching and 39 other). Assume there are a fair few casual-ish staff included in ours and there numbers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:13:37
What we need is an ITV drama about the trials and tribulations surrounding the events at the County Ground over the last thirty odd years.

Problem is, who would Toby Jones play?

Razor Ruddock?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:17:29
What we need is an ITV drama about the trials and tribulations surrounding the events at the County Ground over the last thirty odd years.

Problem is, who would Toby Jones play?

The secret footballer/diary of a ceo would also make a good read. rob angus?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:20:12

Problem is, who would Toby Jones play?

Willy Carson surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:29:16
Midfield?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 12:43:05
What we need is an ITV drama about the trials and tribulations surrounding the events at the County Ground over the last thirty odd years.

Problem is, who would Toby Jones play?

Now that the The Crown is ending, I have heard that there is a new series starting to do exactly this, early titles being floated around are "The Car Crash Club" and "The Gambler, The Cockney wideboy and The Drongo"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 16:54:46
The Launderette. Aussie Gold Hunters (Soccer Edition)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Anonymous77 on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:10:11
From @Danquince2 on twitter:

So the shares clem offloaded to that female (kiely) her address is in Switzerland. The same address as Lee powers registered address!! #stfc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:17:30
From @Danquince2 on twitter:

So the shares clem offloaded to that female (kiely) her address is in Switzerland. The same address as Lee powers registered address!! #stfc

They aren’t.

I’m as fed up with the ownership as anyone, but making stuff up like that makes people no better than the ones we are moaning about.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:22:11
They aren’t.

I’m as fed up with the ownership as anyone, but making stuff up like that makes people no better than the ones we are moaning about.

I've seen that guy on twitter before and he's a bit of a phallus. The problem is that shit sticks and the Chinese Whispers spread far and wide.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:23:48
I've seen that guy on twitter before and he's a bit of a phallus. The problem is that shit sticks and the Chinese Whispers spread far and wide.

Yep.

There is enough ammo to fire at the club as it is, no need to make stuff up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:34:01
Apparently Clem is on holiday (not in UK currently)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:48:06
Pinched from X

https://twitter.com/jiff1967/status/1745146178570752088/video/1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:49:46
Apparently Clem is on holiday (not in UK currently)

So much for personally overseeing the transfers then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 19:57:48
They aren’t.

I’m as fed up with the ownership as anyone, but making stuff up like that makes people no better than the ones we are moaning about.

Nope, both Liverpool, even Power wasn’t registered in Switzerland, used an address in London ,


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 20:16:31
Apparently Clem is on holiday (not in UK currently)

I can confirm he is currently in Neverneverland


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 20:47:00
Is this a joke JoeMezz?

I mean he was here...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 20:47:53
Scarlet Pimpernel


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 20:49:54
I can confirm he is currently in Neverneverland

Exit Light
Enter Night

So one out one in, not helping grow the squad is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 20:59:02
Is this a joke JoeMezz?

I mean he was here...

Apparently not, think Sam Morshead has mentioned it in his latest article.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 21:22:15
Apparently not, think Sam Morshead has mentioned it in his latest article.

Yep, outside the UK for the week, not on STFC business


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 21:24:10
Yep, outside the UK for the week, not on STFC business
Literally can’t make it up. The longer he’s involved with the club the more fucked we’ll be, this along with his complete silence says everything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 22:02:15
Gents, it’s 2024.

People can & do - work from anywhere in the world.
Is there anything Clem would need to do that he couldn’t do over the internet/phone/laptop/zoom etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 22:05:43
Gents, it’s 2024.

People can & do - work from anywhere in the world.
Is there anything Clem would need to do that he couldn’t do over the internet/phone/laptop/zoom etc.

I think if he hadn’t emphasised the “coming over to oversee the window” bit then it’s less noteworthy. However, he did, so it deserves the criticism it gets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 22:42:15
Where has he gone, Karachi with Zav? Colombia with Adam?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 06:45:06
https://twitter.com/RyanJWhelan/status/1745221785904177178?t=kUQzZr7ar5Wk05dv3hJetQ&s=19

Ominous?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 07:05:54
Whelan is a knob. He tweeted similar riddles this summer without providing any substance.

Swindon Town make up a disproportionate share of that media groups output, they’re just trying to stay relevant


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 07:12:51
Whelan is a knob. He tweeted similar riddles this summer without providing any substance.

Swindon Town make up a disproportionate share of that media groups output, they’re just trying to stay relevant

I agree and would much rather he would just write a fucking article if he knows something rather than act like a child on social media looking for likes.

I know he had a source inside the club and I suspect he probably still has so I'm wary of what he has to say - if he ever comes out and says it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 07:14:28
Whelan is a knob. He tweeted similar riddles this summer without providing any substance.

Swindon Town make up a disproportionate share of that media groups output, they’re just trying to stay relevant

Yep, absolute twat of a bloke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Anonymous77 on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 07:52:12
Whelan is a knob. He tweeted similar riddles this summer without providing any substance.

Swindon Town make up a disproportionate share of that media groups output, they’re just trying to stay relevant
Agreed, they seem to just be putting out random shit for clicks from stfc fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 08:38:45
I can fully believe he knows some things which we don’t and which aren’t good news. It’s the way they share that information. Trolls masquerading as journalists


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:01:22
Perhaps he's talking about the weather?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:01:55
Much like the season ticket leak a couple of weeks back, it's good to see lots of people not entertaining the cryptic stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:08:33
Opened twitter this morning - and there's all sorts being suggested..

academy players being sold off, training delayed on Mondays because MF and Hatswell are hungover  ???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:51:16
Does have the feeling that’s it’s all about to kick off shortly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:53:58
About time. This shit show can’t continue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ides of March on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:54:56
‘We know something you don’t’ effectively and then they expect Swindon fans to be thankful in response to them telling us absolutely fuck all. Baffling ‘journalism’ from a media outlet that has constantly fed off Swindon fans, so can’t say it’s a particular surprise that they want to latch onto something STFC related.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 09:55:53
Does have the feeling that’s it’s all about to kick off shortly.

Whelan and co are getting a lot of shit (rightly) for their Cryptic Tweets, but apparently SOMETHING is going to come out at SOMETIME. According to them the Trust should be all over whatever IT is.

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised but they might have been better off saying nothing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:03:42
They probably could have garnered some good following and attention doing this last year but the fanbase is so riled up and battered at the minute that any cryptic “we know something you don’t” style tweets will not go down well, as Broadbent Lounge recently found too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:09:16
Whelan is a knob. He tweeted similar riddles this summer without providing any substance.

Swindon Town make up a disproportionate share of that media groups output, they’re just trying to stay relevant

I think that's harsh. Totally accept the cryptic hints are somewhat annoying, but don't bother me too much unless its a hidden agenda on behalf of someone (not suggesting it is).

Its his job to get clicks to the site he writes on.

But hey, just my opinion
Whelan and co are getting a lot of shit (rightly) for their Cryptic Tweets, but apparently SOMETHING is going to come out at SOMETIME. According to them the Trust should be all over whatever IT is.

Er, its good news..right...right...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:14:45
I think that's harsh. Totally accept the cryptic hints are somewhat annoying, but don't bother me too much unless its a hidden agenda on behalf of someone (not suggesting it is).

Its his job to get clicks to the site he writes on.

But hey, just my opinion
Er, its good news..right...right...

If I was a betting man i'd suggest not. Some of the speculation is bound to be "gold" though isn't it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:19:55
If I was a betting man i'd suggest not. Some of the speculation is bound to be "gold" though isn't it!

Clem's in New York selling us to "Able". He would have got away with it if it wasn't for you meddling
kids.

Able is of course an anagram of Lee Power, provided you add some letters and take some away.

Pass it on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:23:54
Some of Whelan’s shit will stick eventually mind. Clearly we have problems and people openly talk.
One of our “esteemed” Boardroom guests is no longer vocally active, clearly being told to stay quiet.

What a mess. 10 years now of this crap and even Blackpool never had it for that long.
Getting older by the year and crave for a little sustainable optimism before they drape my Swindon scarf over my coffin ☹️


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:24:44
Clem's in New York selling us to "Able". He would have got away with it if it wasn't for you meddling
kids.

Able is of course an anagram of Lee Power, provided you add some letters and take some away.

Pass it on.

😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:35:34
Clem's in New York selling us to "Able". He would have got away with it if it wasn't for you meddling
kids.

Able is of course an anagram of Lee Power, provided you add some letters and take some away.

Pass it on.

well we've had BEST, so I suppose ABLE would be adequate.

And just for those that like a trip down memory lane - 2007

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/1675944.veiga-there-is-no-conflict/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:39:52
Clem's in New York selling us to "Able". He would have got away with it if it wasn't for you meddling
kids.

Able is of course an anagram of Lee Power, provided you add some letters and take some away.

Pass it on.
Hes in Alkmaar meeting with AZ owner Rene Neelissen about a takeover. :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:42:26
well we've had BEST, so I suppose ABLE would be adequate.
Next takeover offer will be from a consortium called "Meh".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:45:05
I wish our fans had the same energy to kick off at games as they do giving pointless websites and Trust members shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:45:24
I wish our fans had the same energy to kick off at games as they do giving pointless websites and Trust members shit

 :nod:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:46:15
Next takeover offer will be from a consortium called "Meh".

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 10:50:09
I wish our fans had the same energy to kick off at games as they do giving pointless websites and Trust members shit

Amen


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 13:44:46
well we've had BEST, so I suppose ABLE would be adequate.

And just for those that like a trip down memory lane - 2007

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/1675944.veiga-there-is-no-conflict/

From BEST to ABLE to FUCKING INCOMPOTENT, the next lot will be a sight.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 16:10:31
I wish our fans had the same energy to kick off at games as they do giving pointless websites and Trust members shit

This. Misplaced anger.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 16:52:19
The facebook group reckon Irish consortium.

Probably Daniel Kinnahan. Adam Hart already had MTK Global logos on Swindon coats for his fighters. Guarantee he knows him. Kicking off on the boxing side of things about money laundering too so he needs a new method.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 16:56:25
The facebook group reckon Irish consortium.


An Irish consortium has been rumoured for a while now. A few years maybe, dating back to Power.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 16:59:20
The facebook group reckon Irish consortium.

Probably Daniel Kinnahan. Adam Hart already had MTK Global logos on Swindon coats for his fighters. Guarantee he knows him. Kicking off on the boxing side of things about money laundering too so he needs a new method.
Lingchi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingchi

Lingchi (Chinese: 凌遲), translated variously as the slow process, the lingering death and also known as death by a thousand cuts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 17:07:00
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 17:14:13
The facebook group reckon Irish consortium.

Probably Daniel Kinnahan. Adam Hart already had MTK Global logos on Swindon coats for his fighters. Guarantee he knows him. Kicking off on the boxing side of things about money laundering too so he needs a new method.

Would certainly spice up Welcome to Wrexham!

(but this is nonsense)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 17:35:52
Maybe they’re aiming for zero season ticket sales


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 17:48:05
Interesting article on Reading on the Athletic

Its begind a paywall but im sure you can use a site to bypass it

https://theathletic.com/5193548/2024/01/11/reading-dai-yongee-special-report/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 18:18:38
Our youngsters will be showcased Tuesday when they play Man Utd in the FA Youth Cup.

Might be a few quid for Phlegm Moribund’s arse pocket


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 18:24:09
Next takeover offer will be from a consortium called "Meh".

Surely following the pattern on ''BEST'' and ''ABLE'' the next consortium to pop their heads over the parapet are likely to be named ''UNWILLING''.

Can you imagine if Formuni is in New York to sell the club to Power ''ABLE Co Ltd''

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: <<< I'm not laughing because all this is funny, I'm laughing because it hurts less than crying and I'm numb to the abuse these fuckers {who call themselves business professionals} have compounded upon us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 18:33:29
Amen

I asked you to DM me a PDF/SVG of the flyer, you still haven't  ;)

Maybe the right approach is when noticing those posting unrest on SM, drop them a DM and see if they would be interested in attending a peaceful protest event. Never know, that might work.

Not necessarily you but moaning about people not moaning via the medium you want them to won't get them to switch usually. Got to be proactive in getting people on board  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 19:21:51
I asked you to DM me a PDF/SVG of the flyer, you still haven't  ;)

Maybe the right approach is when noticing those posting unrest on SM, drop them a DM and see if they would be interested in attending a peaceful protest event. Never know, that might work.

Not necessarily you but moaning about people not moaning via the medium you want them to won't get them to switch usually. Got to be proactive in getting people on board  :)

Apologies I very rarely login and just browse. Will get onto it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: London Pride on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 19:38:39
HMRC contacted the club today I’m told to ask why the accounts hadn’t been filed on time. Accounts were due by the 7th Jan 2024 plus why the tax revenue also due hasn’t been paid.
Surely the Trust must know all about this so why are they not saying anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 19:43:55
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100

Club accounts due end of February, easily Googleable information. So I imagine the Trust haven't said anything because it's untrue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 19:58:06
Apologies I very rarely login and just browse. Will get onto it

No probs  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 20:01:06
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100

Club accounts due end of February, easily Googleable information. So I imagine the Trust haven't said anything because it's untrue.

7th January rung a bell, had a look, its for VAT related returns and fees


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, January 11, 2024, 20:58:19
I wish our fans had the same energy to kick off at games as they do giving pointless websites and Trust members shit

Agree mate. Thankfully our fans are waking up to these cowboy chancers now. Still a few wronguns who think clem and his pals are all elite football operators and all round great guys, but what can you do.

Flipside is when fans start being anti regime at game, it gets/will get met with- support the team and moan after or online. You can’t win.

Also on Chorley- since this regime fucked him off just look at what the strategy has been - sell whatever you can, whenever you can.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 12, 2024, 08:40:29
I'm carrying on the A.N.Other stuff here, given they seem incapable of reading thread subjects.

Can we move this to the other thread?

Yes I agree. So what are the other plausible reasons why the £8m spend is at that level other than Clem trousering it or doing a  Lee.

Inflation v increased (post covid) crowds and player budget reduction. Unknowns include whether people like Hart and Kiely draw fair wage and/or are sapping cash in other ways such as loan repayments and contracts.

Quote
What leads some to the negative conclusions they have. And yes here is one more elephant in room.

Do we think Power was dodgy. Do we still have the same hangers on around the club as he originally did. Does Clem coming in as snow white then having a multitude of "mistakes" (not volunteered, found by fans)

Clem could release detailed accounts. He doesn't have to. Would they be believed anyway.

Other contributors include:
  - unexplained increased in costs
  - unknown repayment terms to Kiely over loan/shares
  - two convicted persons around the club, have a right to work but can't pass EFL directors tests for a reason
  - 2 being listed as directors on club literature (a mistake)
  - wages to some staff being paid late (an accounting error)
  - forgetting to disclose who owns part of the club (a mistake landing us in hot water with FA)
  - losing 1M+ a season (alegedly) when aim is to be sustainable. That amount not coming down, yet somehow we made a small profit in the Man City/playoff season.
  - Currently headed for the beamish line
  - hints at being on a financial knife edge
      - last minute recruitment, inadequate recruitment
      - bringing transfer money forwards
      - shirt fire sale
      - rinsing fans at every opportunity.
      - closing the drawbridge on communications, except to talk crap in Aussie press or his useless at speaking CEO talking bigger crap.

Good things:
  - external debt converted to internal debt
  - got the ground deal over the line (not financially, but process wise)


contributes to exaggerating the situation at the club in the interests of themselves.

What's the situation in the club then and how is it exaggerated? Do you work at the club? Maybe your underplaying it if not.

  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, January 12, 2024, 08:52:15
"Clem is not shafting us. It is the legacy of previous owners who are shafting us.its the ghost of Swindon past. It looks to me that The budget we expected was eaten away by demands from others no longer here. However Flynn is not capable of organising his defence and throws players under the bus.he must go! They sick notes are not all as sick as he says.Flynn out."

^^ From another thread, AN is a Clem fan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, January 12, 2024, 08:55:20
You can’t really support Clem and not Flynn because Clem gave him a fucking 5 year contract!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 12, 2024, 08:55:49
Clem is not shafting us. It is the legacy of previous owners who are shafting us.its the ghost of Swindon past. It looks to me that The budget we expected was eaten away by demands from others no longer here. However Flynn is not capable of organising his defence and throws players under the bus.he must go! They sick notes are not all as sick as he says.Flynn out.

What was that then? The debenture? The one that was publically known?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Friday, January 12, 2024, 08:57:08
I wish our fans had the same energy to kick off at games as they do giving pointless websites and Trust members shit
Another nod of approval from me.  The bond between players and fans on the pitch needs ramping up at times like these.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, January 12, 2024, 12:49:31
https://twitter.com/davec8114/status/1745780929593770291


As I said in a previous post platinum security was going to pull the stewards before the Colchester game and postponed the game unless a payment was made there plenty of people chasing the club for money



Any truth in this one?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 12, 2024, 12:52:31
Just saw that too.

No idea. Not as weird to make up as Swiss Kiely but who knows


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 12, 2024, 12:58:01
Just saw that too.

No idea. Not as weird to make up as Swiss Kiely but who knows

And that Jason Ranford was suing the club but he still gets hospitality?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 12, 2024, 12:59:22
And that Jason Ranford was suing the club but he still gets hospitality?
That part cannot be right.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:02:59
I think the suing part is in AB minutes.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:07:09
I think the suing part is in AB minutes.



Not had any AB minutes since 5th December, although fair enough it might have been a bit late with Xmas/New Year. Not sure if there even was a December meeting.

Nothing obvious in the Nov ones: https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/advisory-board-meeting-minutes-november-2023.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:13:01
It’s in there - page 6 - ‘lease agremeent’.

Ranford has been at away matches as a ‘club official’ which makes the whole thing really quite odd.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:14:57
It’s in there - page 6 - ‘lease agremeent’.

Ranford has been at away matches as a ‘club official’ which makes the whole thing really quite odd.

He has vans where the old STFC in the Community building used to be. That was my vantage point as a kid to stand on to listen to Elton.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:25:31
‘Club official’

Fucking hell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:36:19
It’s in there - page 6 - ‘lease agremeent’.

Ranford has been at away matches as a ‘club official’ which makes the whole thing really quite odd.
It is all a piss take. He gets sent to those games by platinum as in charge of security


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:42:05
‘Club official’

Fucking hell.
Hmmm something rotten going on there. More jobs for the boys?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:42:12
It is all a piss take. He gets sent to those games by platinum as in charge of security

Convicted violent criminal in charge of security? Didnt think you could get an SIA badge with violent convcitions?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:48:53
Convicted violent criminal in charge of security? Didnt think you could get an SIA badge with violent convcitions?

It’s funny, I was told this was one of those contracts they were talking about that were signed on not great terms.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:54:11
Shouldn't we be looking for some Grant money or something from the Government for all this rehabilitation work we are doing at the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:55:12
It’s funny, I was told this was one of those contracts they were talking about that were signed on not great terms.

Like the 10 year catering one?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 12, 2024, 13:58:20
Like the 10 year catering one?

That they tried to rip up and then cried when they were, I presume, sued (hence that company taking on the winding-up petition).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 12, 2024, 14:03:56
Platinum security should have been fucked off years ago. It seems like a minor thing but that one was of my first major red flags about Clem keeping those thugs on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 12, 2024, 14:05:25
Convicted violent criminal in charge of security? Didnt think you could get an SIA badge with violent convcitions?
Well he isn't but it will just be a simple case of them putting that down on the guest list


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 12, 2024, 14:26:14
Convicted violent criminal in charge of security? Didnt think you could get an SIA badge with violent convcitions?
Pretty sure he was jailed years ago for assaulting someone the bouncers restrained at Brunel Rooms - lovely bloke.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 12, 2024, 14:56:48
Fits in with the rest of the horrible cunts surrounding our club right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, January 12, 2024, 15:02:58
Page 6 also - Care Hire: This is from the previous owner where the club has been left with a car hire agreement for a Mercedes that was found in Switzerland. 

Classic Lee!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 12, 2024, 15:11:23
Pretty sure he was jailed years ago for assaulting someone the bouncers restrained at Brunel Rooms - lovely bloke.

…a quick google will tell you all you need to know about Ranford.
He’s a despicable cunt who always seems to bounce back with a new business. I assume his parents must be loaded?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, January 12, 2024, 15:15:08
His car is always in the car park on match days


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 12, 2024, 15:15:35
Although he hasn’t been in court since *checks* the 7th of December  :facepalm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 12, 2024, 16:07:09
Although he hasn’t been in court since *checks* the 7th of December  :facepalm:

Hahaha for fuck sake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 12, 2024, 16:46:28
On the plus side he really isn't involved as such, if he was he still wouldn't be nowhere near the worst one who is i suppose


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 12, 2024, 17:41:18
…a quick google will tell you all you need to know about Ranford.
He’s a despicable cunt who always seems to bounce back with a new business. I assume his parents must be loaded?
His wife has the money I think..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 12, 2024, 17:47:48
His wife has the money I think..


….the one he beat up?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 12, 2024, 17:48:08
Didn’t he beat the shit out of her, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 12, 2024, 17:50:48
Hahaha for fuck sake.

It’s ok - he’s not due back in court till *checks* 29th of February :facepalm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 12, 2024, 19:11:23
If its any consolation his Mrs got pumped by his mate while he was asleep in the house. Was a bit social media blow up a while back.

Fun times.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 12, 2024, 19:41:38
I see the Disability Liason Officer has left. She was very good at her job and nothing was too much trouble for her.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, January 12, 2024, 20:16:12
If its any consolation his Mrs got pumped by his mate while he was asleep in the house. Was a bit social media blow up a while back.

Fun times.

If he was asleep…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 12, 2024, 22:34:37
This is probably enough to put off a few players

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1745920850140811759/video/1


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 00:59:35
I see the Disability Liason Officer has left. She was very good at her job and nothing was too much trouble for her.

She is doing a different job I thought at the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 08:58:02
She is doing a different job I thought at the club?

I dont know, it read to me that she was leaving, then she posted this

https://x.com/laney1879/status/1746034755060072707?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 09:14:53
I dont know, it read to me that she was leaving, then she posted this

https://x.com/laney1879/status/1746034755060072707?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


She says she has many roles at the club? Although I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 09:18:26
Cheese and onion?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 09:27:08
She says she has many roles at the club? Although I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me or not?

I know she has other roles, it read to me that she was leaving? If she is only steppng down from that and staying then fair enough


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 09:38:13
This bit is telling 'This role meant everything to me, but core values are most important'

Swindon town football club, putting cunt into the community.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 09:50:54
This bit is telling 'This role meant everything to me, but core values are most important'

Swindon town football club, putting cunt into the community.

Yeah i wondered what this meant too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 09:52:51
Told to spend less time on disability and concentrate on receptioning and office managing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boy About Town on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 10:27:03
…a quick google will tell you all you need to know about Ranford.
He’s a despicable cunt who always seems to bounce back with a new business. I assume his parents must be loaded?

Wife


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 11:08:45
I believe there was due to be a big focus on disability for the Wrexham game on boxing day but things changed for whatever reason - to facilitate other things. Not sure if this is at all related but I know some people were very put out about this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 13:01:33
Wife

….I'm genuinely amazed she still with him. So she has all the money and she gets beaten up.
Wow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 13:36:30
….I'm genuinely amazed she still with him. So she has all the money and she gets beaten up.
Wow.


Sadly, she (if this is true ) is not in an exclusive club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 12:09:34
Can someone remind me what the aims of the regime were when they came in?
Have they achieved any of them?  ;D
They need to do a part 2 to the football documentary from 1993, hell of a story to tell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 14, 2024, 13:03:24
Netflix blockbuster in the making😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:55:46
https://twitter.com/SamMorshead_/status/1747553498827235752

The club - and Axis Football Investments- are now both officially overdue a confirmation statement to Companies House.

Axis also overdue on accounts.

Confirmation statements I believe tend to include who holds shares and how many...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 09:59:34
Maybe, just maybe, Clem’s statement today will be confirmation of his intention to sell.

I’m sticking with that to get through the day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:04:36
Maybe, just maybe, Clem’s statement today will be confirmation of his intention to sell.

I’m sticking with that to get through the day.

Or a rallying call for season tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:05:28
There is that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:05:55
https://twitter.com/SamMorshead_/status/1747553498827235752

The club - and Axis Football Investments- are now both officially overdue a confirmation statement to Companies House.

Axis also overdue on accounts.

Confirmation statements I believe tend to include who holds shares and how many...

The confirmation statement replaced the annual return.

On the confirmation statement you must confirm that your basic company information is correct and up to date. This information includes the registered office address, registers, officers, business description (SIC), share capital and shareholders.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:06:44
It was the last confirmation statement that started the Hollie Kiely/Bethany Parladorio fun, from memory, right?

Although I'm sure all that came out around August, so it was either for a different company or they were *really* late on the last one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:15:52
Maybe, just maybe, Clem’s statement today will be confirmation of his intention to sell.

I’m sticking with that to get through the day.

A promise of significant investment in the squad before the deadline is my guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 10:16:13
That was Swinton reds wasn’t it? The company that owns seebeck


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:01:08
As if things weren't bad enough, I hear the special cases at The Happy Clappy Club who 2 weeks announced they were ceasing have now decided to come back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:04:51
i'm 100% not a fan of theirs, but I think in this case you have to give them a bit of slack for putting their head above the parapet and trying to get fans as well as the other podcasts to join them in discussion.

At the end of the day, we all want the best for the club, perhaps we should give them the chance to use their reach for good?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:16:02
Yeah more discussion is a good thing. As long as they're not going to be the clubs outlet for vague positive cryptic drivel.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:23:36
Morshead on LSPod tonight after his chat with Clem as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:27:45
As much as it will cut against the grain, I don't think now is the time for journalists to be giving Clem time and words.  Instead they should spend the next three months or so developing the underlying story.  Then they can feast on the output with lots of articles before driving Clem to have to talk fully.

Won't make anyone here feel better for a while but we have had too many one off stories that were not fully run down and never put together.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:28:36
Yeah more discussion is a good thing. As long as they're not going to be the clubs outlet for vague positive cryptic drivel.

That was ridiculous, quite frankly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:34:08
At least we know Morshead won't mince words and will ask the right questions.

Outcome 1: Morfuni announces it is time to sell and that there are people ready to buy. Dreamworld. How buyers overcome the issue of the lurking thugs and supposed £850k loss every 3 months, I do not know.

Outcome 2: Morfuni tries to blast people with lies, tired charm and evasive answers. Likely to happen.He'll remind us that we've signed Glatzel and Williams and they'll be world beaters.

Outcome 3: He's comes out swinging and swearing as we saw on the OSC. Also very possible.

Outcome 4: He ends the interview the second he gets a question he doesn't like and has one of the security thugs stood over his shoulder.

Also highly likely he might try and play various groups off against each other. Infighting between fans and the Trust suits him down to the ground because he does not want a united front against the owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:45:47
https://x.com/TimesSport/status/1747562080763330680?s=20

Might be a timing coincidence, but this is a positive thing if it works..

https://x.com/stfcjosh/status/1747626285340250593?s=46&t=oVOVVFL5yn5o1EyxCE_sEA

If the first link puts you behind a paywall, try via the second one, that let me through.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:47:18
https://x.com/TimesSport/status/1747562080763330680?s=20

Might be a timing coincidence, but this is a positive thing if it works..
Indeed, we are by no means alone in this predicament.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 14:56:49
Trust backtracking.....

https://x.com/TrustSTFC/status/1747632964878369072?s=20


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:04:41
Nothing to see here...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:09:19
Good grief


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:10:19
Trust backtracking.....

https://x.com/TrustSTFC/status/1747632964878369072?s=20
Once something has been written and read, it can't be un-written and un-read...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:10:21
I can't continue to pay money to the Trust, absolute shitshow.
What a mess


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:12:30
Trust STFC, blink if you need help


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:48:11
I can't continue to pay money to the Trust, absolute shitshow.
What a mess
I get that, it' smessy right now. But my take is that if you're a paying member now, you might as well wait and see who's on the newly elected board in the coming weeks before deciding to cancel.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:52:26
I get that, it' smessy right now. But my take is that if you're a paying member now, you might as well wait and see who's on the newly elected board in the coming weeks before deciding to cancel.

Yup - if nothing else, you can vote against people you don't like.

I do wonder actually if a lot of the people who've "cancelled" their membership/direct debit are actually still members until a year expires... more disgruntled people might still be members than realise.

I'm certainly going to look at reducing my contribution to the minimum possible level though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 15:54:34
I don't think the Trust have their eye on how members they have, truly i'd be fascinated to know how they worked out how many members they have!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:01:23
I get that, it' smessy right now. But my take is that if you're a paying member now, you might as well wait and see who's on the newly elected board in the coming weeks before deciding to cancel.
I've been holding back but the sheer incompetence at the moment is not something I want to pay into. I don't trust them with a twitter account let alone my monthly donations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:30:03
I've been holding back but the sheer incompetence at the moment is not something I want to pay into. I don't trust them with a twitter account let alone my monthly donations.
for £1 a month, it's gotta be inside having a voice?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:51:27
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24056926.swindon-town-owner-still-not-close-buying-back-shares/

Swindon Town owner Clem Morfuni said that he still can’t put a timeframe on buying back the shares in the club.

Look, it is a priority but they have no influence over the club anyway, Anthony [Hall] and I run the show.

“They have just got no influence so we have more important things to concentrate on than trying to buy the shares back but we are going through that process.


The Adver had their 20 minutes it seems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:54:42
for £1 a month, it's gotta be inside having a voice?
To be honest I didn't realise there was a £1 option, quite a while ago when I joined initially.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: newmarket red on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:55:38
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24056926.swindon-town-owner-still-not-close-buying-back-shares/

Swindon Town owner Clem Morfuni said that he still can’t put a timeframe on buying back the shares in the club.

Look, it is a priority but they have no influence over the club anyway, Anthony [Hall] and I run the show.

“They have just got no influence so we have more important things to concentrate on than trying to buy the shares back but we are going through that process.


The Adver had their 20 minutes it seems.
so nothing really what we already know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:56:29
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24056926.swindon-town-owner-still-not-close-buying-back-shares/

Swindon Town owner Clem Morfuni said that he still can’t put a timeframe on buying back the shares in the club.

Look, it is a priority but they have no influence over the club anyway, Anthony [Hall] and I run the show.

“They have just got no influence so we have more important things to concentrate on than trying to buy the shares back but we are going through that process.


The Adver had their 20 minutes it seems.

Diversionary lies. A simple transfer of shares does not take time, if you have the money and the other party intends to sell. It could be done almost instantly. ]

But Morfuni is well aware that 90% of Town fans won't question it. The comments to that story say it all already.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 16:56:58
What utter twaddle - it's a shame "reporters" just take such answers and print them without further investigation.

I'd presume, for example, that if any shares had indeed changed hands, paperwork would needed to have been submitted to Companies House, and none has shown up since the original transfer occurred.  The flannel that Clem then gets stuck in trying to avoid a proper answer pretty mush suggests fuck all has likely happened.  He is trying to get away with suggesting it's all just too complicated for us to understand, although suggesting Hall is in charge is hardly inspiring as the alternative to being a puppet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:17:05
Can't wait for all the "Well said Clem" drongos to be out in force later. They are clearly in the minority of fans who comment online now but fuck me they're infuriating.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:29:52
Hawes update on BBC sounds


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:33:08
Diversionary lies. A simple transfer of shares does not take time, if you have the money and the other party intends to sell. It could be done almost instantly. ]

But Morfuni is well aware that 90% of Town fans won't question it. The comments to that story say it all already.

I wouldn’t usually be this finicky over single word, but his use of the word ‘look’ as if the question of who owns shares in the fucking club is somehow exasperating has irritated me. Doesn’t have a clue


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:34:33
Clem on ITV West just after 6pm


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:36:27
Clem on ITV West just after 6pm

I would rather him live on BBC Wilts for an hour or two taking random questions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:36:30
Saying Gunning job till end of season and his to lose


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: HorlocksLegs on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:45:05
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0h5kgj7


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:50:36
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0h5kgj7

5 minutes in and Clen sounds like a broken man. Huge sighs at every question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:52:23
5 minutes in and Clen sounds like a broken man. Huge sighs at every question.
Was just about to say the same - his heart simply doesn’t seem in it these days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:57:51
What a glowing reference for Gunning.

"He is quite good at coaching and he has been to my house"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:58:32
This is piss weak stuff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jericho on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:04:37
The bloke sounds grumpy and frustrated anytime media speaks to him, he has no personal connection to the club and lives halfway across the globe. What is he doing this for?

If the club is losing as much money as he claims it is, and he had to inject £850k just to pay the taxman and his staff then how is this possibly worth all the trouble for him?

Then throw in him distancing himself from the Trust's tweets last night and saying it's all incorrect. Why have the the Trust lied then? Make it make sense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:04:59
Clem throwing the trust under the bus. Who’s lying that’s the million dollar question!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:07:05
Load of waffle


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:11:11
Load of waffle
You can tell he’s lying through his teeth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:25:56
I’ll tell you that now!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:30:04
Good effort by Andrew Hawes. We’re very lucky to have a BBC journalist who understands the fans (and is one). No headline grabbers but lots on record that Morfuni will no doubt end up back tracking on in time. End game for the Trust though. Ties cut. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:45:34
Trouble is, his denials can easily be rebuffed by the Trust. No Standing involved? Really?

He sounded that even after 3 years at the helm he doesn’t have a clue about how football clubs run.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 18:48:17
Was just about to say the same - his heart simply doesn’t seem in it these days.

To be fair he’s always sounding like that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:00:26
Not when schmoozing with fans with a bucket hat on. Its why some still love him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: HorlocksLegs on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:02:44
And more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPioNIKq2WY


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ticker45 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:24:36
Just had a listen and full marks to Andrew Hawes as that sounded a very difficult interview with someone who seemed to prevaricate on quite a few points made, but I certainly did not expect much else realistically. Where it all goes from here is anyone’s guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:29:02
It annoyed me a bit he kept mentioning the ‘board’ when hiring and firing managers.

He is the only board member isnt he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:32:49
It annoyed me a bit he kept mentioning the ‘board’ when hiring and firing managers.

He is the only board member isnt he?

So he claims!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:33:59
May be a slip of the tongue, but he referred to the legacy debts from the previous owners not owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:34:26
It annoyed me a bit he kept mentioning the ‘board’ when hiring and firing managers.

He is the only board member isnt he?

freudian slip


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:36:54
May be a slip of the tongue, but he referred to the legacy debts from the previous owners not owner.
Probably was referring to debts from Power and legal dispute re: catering which was under McCrory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:39:41
"need to simplify season tickets, we have too many categories"

soapy tit wank

Good luck.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:45:47
Kiely and Parladorio have no involvement in the running of the club
Neither does Standing
850k spent in three months on HMRC, VAT and salaries
95% of legacy debt paid off
Club loses 1m per year (I can tell you that now)

Either he’s lying through his teeth, or somehow we’ve got this all very wrong!

Will be fascinating to see where this ends up, I just hope it’s not in the National League.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:55:01
Anthony Hall didn’t mean what he meant to say :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:56:14
May be a slip of the tongue, but he referred to the legacy debts from the previous owners not owner.

Andy Curran also owned the debentures - according to Clem in Sept, it was Curran calling in his £3m debt that precipitated needing Hollie and Bethany on board


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 19:58:13
Like Hollie and Bethany had the money...............


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 20:07:00
The official interview was horrific.  Anyone listening to that for the first time would presume some homeless chap off the street had been called in to cover for the owner of a football club.

Basically the interview Hall did, we should just disregard that one because he didn't mean any of it the way everyone heard it, but we should remember the bit about 20 adults getting in as kids, because they are basically stealing money from the club in such high numbers it makes us unsustainable.

Will take another 2-3 years to sort out the costs - there are some people working in Procurement departments in Swindon and the football industry slapping themselves on the backs if we tied ourselves into six year contracts without break clauses - OR - it's just more bullshit without details.  I am not sure which would be worse, this all being a scam or the other option, he really does know this little about running a business.  "I make mistakes", fuck me, mistakes are when you get someones name wrong, not when you, allegedly, believe the debt is only 800k when you agree to takeover the business, or decide (decide) not to inform people of a share transfer, or say out loud that the season ticket holders are getting free games and that is the issue on Revenue.  800k debt FFS, Power may have been dodgy, but even a school kid could read the accounts and work out there were liabilities and we had just gone through Covid, of course there were Govt Grants and loans.  Is he an imbecile?  He was a bloody Exec Director and significant shareholder.

Anyway, we learned nothing new, because he won't answer anything with specifics that he won't later walk back anyway.  Oh, and our Academy has come on leaps and bounds - well, the playing talent may have done so a little but we still do not have anything invested in.  People come and go, physical infrastructure, processes and systems create a legacy of change.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Arch Stanton on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 20:29:22
It was an awful interview, I'm really not sure what he wanted achieve from it. He certainly hadn't prepped a charm offensive, or prepped a rebuttle aimed towards his detractors, it seemed like he hadn't prepped anything, it was just a bumbling mess. Those that still want him out, still want him out. Those that love him, are still completely blinded.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 20:34:16
Anthony Hall didn’t mean what he meant to say :D

Many a true word said in jest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 20:47:18
I can see if you listened to that interview and only that interview in complete isolation you might think - fair enough.

As ever, actions not words.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 21:00:09
Just listened- my good that was terrible


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 21:30:56
 i was distracted by how many times 'look' was said


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 21:41:55
And more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPioNIKq2WY

Listened to the Hawes interview. Great job from Hawes with very little bouncing back.

Just watching the OSTFC interview and I'll deduce that Clem hasn't:

Got a strategy
Got a plan
Got a clue

He also blinks an awful lot when answering. Just an observation that no body language expert would ever be interested in - at all  :eek:

Constantly saying 'I'll tell ya now' - as if what followed was unretractable truth isn't going to convince me that what he's saying is truthful.

#BareFacedLiar


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 21:51:13
How would we lose a million a year, a normal year? Show us some detailed accounts, I'm scratching my head on that one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 21:58:38

How would we lose a million a year, a normal year? Show us some detailed accounts, I'm scratching my head on that one.


It's ok, the clabb are signed up to FairGame {as they like to keep fucking telling us} so that will make everything clear and of course, paint the owner{s} as saints  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 22:17:09
You can tell Clems done an interview, the bootlicking fuckwits are out in force on socials. Even seen one on twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 22:17:30
Anyone else have the feeling that Clem & Co are throwing the Trust under the bus in an attempt to make us all believe that the Trust are being critical of the club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 22:39:36
How would we lose a million a year, a normal year? Show us some detailed accounts, I'm scratching my head on that one.

I can absolutely believe a football club can run with such an operating loss - I struggle to believe we are given the information we know though.  Nothing about the operation of the football club supports such an operating position.  Highest average attendances in a generation with the lowest aged group of players in L2, with barely enough to fill out a squad in any given week.

I know attendances are not everything, but the situation on paper looks better than anything any previous owner would have had since the 1995/96 promotion season in Division Three, and during that period we retained a heavy wage bill.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 07:43:21
It’s interesting that most of those that are blindly backing Clem through everything are a certain demographic. Nearly all that I have seen are those slightly older Arkells stand types, who most likely fall for email scams and bring home new husbands from a holiday to Mauritius.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 07:46:24
Anyone else have the feeling that Clem & Co are throwing the Trust under the bus in an attempt to make us all believe that the Trust are being critical of the club.



To be fair The Trust have thrown themselves under a bus - at least twice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 08:35:31
It’s interesting that most of those that are blindly backing Clem through everything are a certain demographic. Nearly all that I have seen are those slightly older Arkells stand types, who most likely fall for email scams and bring home new husbands from a holiday to Mauritius.

Or wives from Thailand.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 08:56:13
Be interesting to see the response we get in the Arkells on Saturday then  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:11:51
Listening to LSPod which has Morshead's interview with Morfuni. Interesting counterpart to Hawes' - Hawes asks a lot of factual questions looking to get Morfuni on the record denying a whole list of things, Morshead is much more open questions allowing Morfuni to put his point across/dig his own grave (delete according to your feelings). One notable thing is that Morfuni is using a lot of the same points down to the phrasing, there clearly is a message he wants to put across.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:25:57
Listening to LSPod which has Morshead's interview with Morfuni. Interesting counterpart to Hawes' - Hawes asks a lot of factual questions looking to get Morfuni on the record denying a whole list of things, Morshead is much more open questions allowing Morfuni to put his point across/dig his own grave (delete according to your feelings). One notable thing is that Morfuni is using a lot of the same points down to the phrasing, there clearly is a message he wants to put across.

That message is?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:26:35
Im pretty sure in the youtube video he says we didnt have an academy 3 years ago?

What the hell is that about?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:27:14
That message is?

Putting myself in his shoes, his message is "I know it hasn't gone well, but I'm still committed and putting lots of money in, we're cleaning up the off the field mess and we will make progress on it, please stick with us. Anthony and I run everything, there are no shadowy forces in the background here."


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:27:21
That message is?

Stand back theres nothing to see here!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:39:51
It was an awful interview, I'm really not sure what he wanted achieve from it. He certainly hadn't prepped a charm offensive, or prepped a rebuttle aimed towards his detractors, it seemed like he hadn't prepped anything, it was just a bumbling mess. Those that still want him out, still want him out. Those that love him, are still completely blinded.
Almost looked scared in it. It's as if he was told to do these interviews


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:42:01
Im pretty sure in the youtube video he says we didnt have an academy 3 years ago?

Its repeated in the LSP/SM episode too. Not sure whether he meant literally (we did) or "of the right standard".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BenTheRed on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:45:18
Did he mean we didn't have an academy in Pakistan 3 years ago  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:49:47
Its repeated in the LSP/SM episode too. Not sure whether he meant literally (we did) or "of the right standard".

Isn’t there a certain level you have to meet to get an Academy Status?
Obviously there are different levels, wasn’t one if the goals to get us to a certain level.

FWIW I thought that Power had cut funding to the youth level when he was here, might just be my memory though


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:50:52
We’re Academy 3 status


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:51:40
Im pretty sure in the youtube video he says we didnt have an academy 3 years ago?

What the hell is that about?!

We didn't have a Cat3 Academy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:56:32
I haven't listened to any of the interviews yet, what's the best one to tune into? I assume what he says is much of a muchness across them all?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 09:58:05
I haven't listened to any of the interviews yet, what's the best one to tune into? I assume what he says is much of a muchness across them all?

I'd start with Morshead's just because it was recorded first and Morfuni is notably more... amiable on it, probably for that reason. The content is quite similar to Hawes', but Hawes gets more specific denials on specific issues probably, from a more sullen version of Clem.

I haven't heard the Adver one or the club one though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 10:01:02
We’re Academy 3 status

How long have we had that status/level?
Is that why he’s trying to say that we didn’t have that before.

I don’t imagine it’s expensive to have that level


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 10:06:17
I'd start with Morshead's just because it was recorded first and Morfuni is notably more... amiable on it, probably for that reason. The content is quite similar to Hawes', but Hawes gets more specific denials on specific issues probably, from a more sullen version of Clem.

I haven't heard the Adver one or the club one though.

Reckon the club one was done yesterday morning before the others.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 10:06:53
It's ok, the clabb are signed up to FairGame {as they like to keep fucking telling us} so that will make everything clear and of course, paint the owner{s} as saints  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Talking of Fair Game, I was told yesterday by an ex-Trust member that many clubs don't want much to do with them as he thinks it's not great in terms of transparency. Make of that what you will.


It’s interesting that most of those that are blindly backing Clem through everything are a certain demographic. Nearly all that I have seen are those slightly older Arkells stand types, who most likely fall for email scams and bring home new husbands from a holiday to Mauritius.

Their language reminds me of when the Boris Johnson issues were reported and people were convinced he was a standup model citizen that would absolutely never tell a lie. They usually start the conversation with 'I've been going to the CG since nineteen canteen' which I think they seem to think means they know everything about the club, and also seem to put them in 'superfan' territory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 10:34:52
It’s interesting that most of those that are blindly backing Clem through everything are a certain demographic. Nearly all that I have seen are those slightly older Arkells stand types, who most likely fall for email scams and bring home new husbands from a holiday to Mauritius.

Almost all in their 60s and 70s aren't they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 11:27:21
My ma's in her 70's, she's a fan of Clem as she's met him and he is a nice guy. I've had to tell her what's going on to make her understand the gravity of our situation, but ultimately she just wants to watch football every week. I think there's a lot of people similar to her.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 11:35:49
Hawes is a shite interviewer, Clem is a drongo. Maybe interviews with Standing, Kiely, Parladorio or Hart could follow?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 11:39:10
My ma's in her 70's, she's a fan of Clem as she's met him and he is a nice guy. I've had to tell her what's going on to make her understand the gravity of our situation, but ultimately she just wants to watch football every week. I think there's a lot of people similar to her.
Definately this. Possibly as much as 75% of our regular fanbase I would imagine just want to go to games and "enjoy" the football and dont care about off the field things, just visit the FB pages to see that for yourself.

I did cringe massively while watching Clems interview on BBC Points West yesterday, when asked a question he used the word "fuck" in the middle of the sentence which the BBC rightly had to fade out.

Thats very very unprofessional if you cant hold your own profanitites for a 3 minute interview.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 11:41:25
I know the AB meetings have lost pretty much all their credibility in recent months but when they were in their 'heyday' were they even covered by the Adver in print format?
As an 'out of towner' I don't know the answer.
& if they weren't then the question really needs to be asked as to why.
I mentioned a few days ago, may have been in this thread, that there's a whole demographic out there who rely on print journalism for all their STFC related news. You can bet your bottom dollar these individuals will have never heard of Austin, Hart, Kiely, Parladorio etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 12:53:56
My ma's in her 70's, she's a fan of Clem as she's met him and he is a nice guy. I've had to tell her what's going on to make her understand the gravity of our situation, but ultimately she just wants to watch football every week. I think there's a lot of people similar to her.

It’s the Harwell loyalty Tails. :)

You are spot on. My close Mates are sceptical about Clem and Co.
Those that sit around us only interested on watching the football. They are however critical of where we are in the League. We are a very passive and tolerant fanbase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 13:01:11
Hawes is a shite interviewer, Clem is a drongo. Maybe interviews with Standing, Kiely, Parladorio or Hart could follow?

You’re entitled to your opinion but mine is the opposite.
Andrew asking Flynn the other week “how are we going to have a different conversation about conceding goals” was genius.

Vic and the TBL guy caught Clem with his guard down that evening. They didn’t offer anything new. Clem is now in robot mode. Dull, rinse and repeat answers no matter who is in front of him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 13:05:07
Hawes' interview with Clem yesterday reminded me a little of some of (sorry, politics reference) Keir Starmer's questions to Boris early in Partygate where he asked for simple confirmation of what has and hasn't happened. Boring at the time because you know what they're going to say and you don't follow up with the obvious "but that's bollocks though isn't it?" at the time - you just get them on the record denying stuff, and when it later turns out not to be true (if it does!) then you can say "you said X, it turned out Y" and there's no wriggle room left.

Morshead - different style, both valid - asked much more open questions and got very similar answers, Clem had a script and stuck to it pretty firmly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 13:05:23
I've listened to The moosehead and Hawes' interviews
I love Clem's 11 point plan that he talks about and then trails off after 8 or 9 of the points.
I also love how two of the points are to create annual accounts and another is to file them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 13:12:11
On the Academy question, the gap between what we had and where we are is minimal, just a couple of coaches needed to be hired I imagine.  The gap from where we are to Cat 2 and higher is massive - it requires significant expenditure on staffing as well as infrastructure.

It's also beginning to annoy me how Clem keeps trotting out the line that they purchased the ground - I know it's true in a legal ownership sense, but given the circumstances, the morally correct thing to do woud be to name drop Eady everytime you bring that up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 13:13:38
My ma's in her 70's, she's a fan of Clem as she's met him and he is a nice guy. I've had to tell her what's going on to make her understand the gravity of our situation, but ultimately she just wants to watch football every week. I think there's a lot of people similar to her.

Which I don't have a problem with, but the ones on the Facebook group want to shout people down even when they admit they don't have a clue what you're talking about.

How can you be so proud of your own ignorance whilst also being so sure you're right? It's total idiocy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 13:18:22

Hawes is a shite interviewer, Clem is a drongo. Maybe interviews with Standing, Kiely, Parladorio or Hart could follow?


Not sure Hawes is a shite interviewer and you do have to remember that he represents the BBC, so is somewhat tied when it comes to a lean. He has to present balance. I think he was quite clever in his questioning by getting Clem to commit/deny certain statements. It's a future proofing form of journalism, whereby if anything he denied turns out to be true {come on, we know a fair bit of it will} then Clem is going to look more of a right bulb than he already is.

Morshead backed that up by assisting him to make his own bed, per se.


I haven't listened to any of the interviews yet, what's the best one to tune into? I assume what he says is much of a muchness across them all?


I would say the Official Club one is very repetitive in it's edit. Not sure it needed to be 40mins long. There's likely 15mins of repetition that could be chopped from it, also may have helped PR wise to have edited out the 556 side eyes that Clem gives after every answer; as well as his 'huffs', 'sighs' and eye rolls.

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Don't read if you're not fussed about some technical elements
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A minor technical gripe from me is that I would personally {if setting up the sound for this} invest in a pair of lapel mics with battery packs, on separate channels. You'll get a much cleaner set of channels, more options in post, especially for balancing levels. Passing a mic is really only best for say presentation events. A pre-recorded interview doesn't need that.
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Back to Clem. It annoyed me how he contradicted himself {it's more evident in the Official one as he's asked the same/similar stuff a few times}.

On one hand, he says: 'Probably not been as visible as I'd like to be, I've been running things in the background...'

and on another, he says: 'I haven't done any media conferences, I don't really like doing them, I like getting on and doing what I do...I don't run on Social Media...'

and says; '...The Trust and OSC has a direct line to me...they can talk to me any time they want...erm, I've some supporters that are friends of mine that I talk to directly. They ring me or WhatsApp me or text me and I communicate with them...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 14:38:00
Which I don't have a problem with, but the ones on the Facebook group want to shout people down even when they admit they don't have a clue what you're talking about.

How can you be so proud of your own ignorance whilst also being so sure you're right? It's total idiocy.
The problem is with it is how much bollocks also gets put on there. What you or I say on there is just a drop in the ocean to the nonsense that gets posted on there.

Honestly not a pop at you but best way i can explain it is that you mentioned a story about the groundsmen that isn't true and that is 1 of many that get spread around so in the end it's hard to get the truth to them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 14:44:17
Yeah, I honestly thought that was true because I heard it from someone who knows him personally. But if it isn't then they probably got their wires crossed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 14:44:38
Also the phrase 'why don't you buy him out then' should result in an instant ban. single digit IQ drongos.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 14:59:51
Yeah, I honestly thought that was true because I heard it from someone who knows him personally. But if it isn't then they probably got their wires crossed.
Honestly mate not a pop just only example i could think of


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:04:59

Also the phrase 'why don't you buy him out then' should result in an instant ban. single digit IQ drongos.


Y dOuGhN't U bYe HiM oWt ThEN bO?  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:25:01
Also the phrase 'why don't you buy him out then' should result in an instant ban. single digit IQ drongos.

The mount of times I've had that is certainly higher than their IQs. That and that Linda woman that tells everyone they're trying to destroy the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:26:38
Is she the Town fans equivalent of Preston's 'Linda Moon'  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:29:20
The mount of times I've had that is certainly higher than their IQs. That and that Linda woman that tells everyone they're trying to destroy the club.

I genuinely don't know how you have the patience to even post on that site. Personally I've never posted anything on it, however I do have a glance through occasionally but it really makes my brain pulse.

The ironic thing with people like Linda is that there is really only 1 person likely to destroy the club and that's her precious Clemmy Wemmy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:30:21
I left the facebook groups for exactly that reason, it's been hard enough to read some of the shite on here over the past few years, but (most) of you lot are Stephen Hawkins compared to some of the window lickers on there.

I just do not have enough time in the day or patience in my being to join in with that.  At least when DV casts something out it is obvious, on there you just don't know if they are trolling or just genuinly that dense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:42:31
I wonder which on AN Other is in on there?  :hmmm:

I await some really confusing responses from him that make no sense if he sees this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:48:52
Some bloke onthere said the trust posted that stuff the other night to stir it up and it was all a made up conspiracy

Then omeone else said they had never heard of ZA and AH and were like as long as i still have a club i dont care who they are


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 15:50:57
Wonder if PNEThor is still about? He was like a Bo Selecta character.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:14:18
Wonder if PNEThor is still about? He was like a Bo Selecta character.

Prime townendforum that was.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:15:58
Good evening,

As some of you will know, I have made my feelings clear over the current situation at the club.

I put out feelers with my friends re the possibility of buying the club and I have received guarded advice on this from advisors both from the accountancy and legal fields

These enquires were by their very wording asking for ‘soft’ advise. The answers made it clear that a more formal approach re due diligence was not required at this time.

I had, and still have my concerns.

However, let’s be fair, Clem was asked to act regarding the on field management. He did.

He was asked to take action on player recruitment. He has.

We are only on day 18 of the transfer window. There is time for further changes. He has stated that funds are available, a point reiterated by Gav.

In the interest of fair play, he has to be given the full month to make changes. We all know the last week of any transfer window is the busiest.

To be bluntly honest, snide, antagonistic remarks from uninformed individuals does no one any favours. Sarcastic remarks about his use of the term look is nothing more than pathetic reducing any constructive conversations to a farce.

‘Look’ is a commonly used term in Australia to start a sentence. I’ve found myself using it when talking to them.

Clearly we are all entitled to our own opinion, it’s the very essence of football forums. But is it constructive? I doubt it, does it help solve anything? Nope!

Clem knows full well that he is accountable for his actions on which history will be written.

It is his challenge to prove us all wrong.

If he fails, he is well aware of the consequences,  he isn’t stupid!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:19:57
Come on, what do you expect ‘us’ to say. Trying to flim flam after the event isn’t going to get him off the naughty step.

Doing whatever he is doing now is 6 months too late for this season - it’s a write off.

Forget about the state of the playing side, the fact he still has dubious characters still hanging around the club raises plenty of red flags.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:22:17
Appreciate the hopeful post Bathford. There isn't a great deal to cling to right now.

But yeah on Clem. Keeping the characters he has around the club has always been the biggest red flag for me. He has repeatedly broken trust and that is why he is getting a hard time.

Things were a lot more constructive a year or two ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:30:29
100%. Remove Zavier Austin, Adam Hart and the aggro security guy from the picture and this is a very, very different conversation and mood. We all *want* to be optimistic about the future of the club, but their presence really tests that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:36:48
When Clem took over he garnered a huge amount of good will for

1. Not being Lee Power
2. Being visible
3. Being affable
4. Promising transparency
5. Seemingly working closely with the Trust
6. Somehow, and I still don’t understand how, we funded a very decent squad with Garner despite being under a transfer embargo.

Since then, however, various managers and staff have left of their own accord, the playing side has got steadily worse and, apparently, we are losing money hand over fist although nobody can see or understand why.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:38:30
Bathford, you keep posting what I would call "nearlyisms"

You post, many times, that you sought advice on buying/investing, and the advice is to stay clear.  That really doesn't add much to the debate - any financial advisor worth their salt would tell an investor that buying STFC is a fools errand if you want to have a safe investment.  It's clearly well down the list of places to put money (apart from some less than honest ones, as shown by the recent move by the Police force to track down illegal funding).

What would help is if more context was provided - a bad investment beyond pure finances because.....

With Clem, he has shown often enough that his words are meaningless.  His promises vague - produce accounts for example, I mean come on, that's a requirement, not something to aspire to.  What we do have is actions and results of actions.

He tried to let Zav be a Vice Chair of the business, for a year, before pressure finally mounted on him not being a fit and proper person for the EFL (he didn't go to the EFL to just ask).

He let Zav go off and set-up a Visa business in Pakistan using the club as leverage.

He let convicted criminals, with offences known to be red flags for involvement in football, hang around the club or be directly involved with the club.

He has spent 7 years, or more, directly involved in the clubs interests to develop the County Ground, and doesn't even have a Master Plan yet.

He provided the budget from which we now have our worst team in our history - not just a subjective assessment, but one that league position and squad size are evidencing.

He knowingly decided not to tell anyone about selling over 20% of the club - he can say what he likes, but that was a personal decision regardless of whether or not he received poor advice.

He has employed incompetent and inexperienced people to run key projects - CEO & Ground.  neither of people he put in those positions would get the job if advertised and Hall was directly involved in the failure of a UK business he ran (despite Clem's words, his business owed around one million to creditors beyond his internal money movements).

This one I will caveat with fact I am relying on my reading of documents, but it is my opinion that Clem signed over pre emptive rights to the new shareholders in the holding co.  he says he is not sure - really?  he is that bad at business?

None of those are calling out lies, or errors, they are things he did.  None of what he has said offers any semblance of a real plan for how he intends to operate the club in the future.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 19:50:44
Bathford, you keep posting what I would call "nearlyisms"

You post, many times, that you sought advice on buying/investing, and the advice is to stay clear.  That really doesn't add much to the debate - any financial advisor worth their salt would tell an investor that buying STFC is a fools errand if you want to have a safe investment.  It's clearly well down the list of places to put money (apart from some less than honest ones, as shown by the recent move by the Police force to track down illegal funding).

What would help is if more context was provided - a bad investment beyond pure finances because.....

With Clem, he has shown often enough that his words are meaningless.  His promises vague - produce accounts for example, I mean come on, that's a requirement, not something to aspire to.  What we do have is actions and results of actions.

He tried to let Zav be a Vice Chair of the business, for a year, before pressure finally mounted on him not being a fit and proper person for the EFL (he didn't go to the EFL to just ask).

He let Zav go off and set-up a Visa business in Pakistan using the club as leverage.

He let convicted criminals, with offences known to be red flags for involvement in football, hang around the club or be directly involved with the club.

He has spent 7 years, or more, directly involved in the clubs interests to develop the County Ground, and doesn't even have a Master Plan yet.

He provided the budget from which we now have our worst team in our history - not just a subjective assessment, but one that league position and squad size are evidencing.

He knowingly decided not to tell anyone about selling over 20% of the club - he can say what he likes, but that was a personal decision regardless of whether or not he received poor advice.

He has employed incompetent and inexperienced people to run key projects - CEO & Ground.  neither of people he put in those positions would get the job if advertised and Hall was directly involved in the failure of a UK business he ran (despite Clem's words, his business owed around one million to creditors beyond his internal money movements).

This one I will caveat with fact I am relying on my reading of documents, but it is my opinion that Clem signed over pre emptive rights to the new shareholders in the holding co.  he says he is not sure - really?  he is that bad at business?

None of those are calling out lies, or errors, they are things he did.  None of what he has said offers any semblance of a real plan for how he intends to operate the club in the future.

Great post.

Might be a bit much to put on a leaflet @signingiiiffy but I'm sure you can borrow from this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 20:07:43
@Bathford

Part of the reason some of us 'uninformed' plebs are mocking the daft cunt is because he's made his own bed - I'm sure several would agree. Unfortunately,he has to sleep in it. He can cry booboo all he wants about how 'hard it is to run a football clabb' is - he'll get no sympathy from me.

I'm sorry but your post was pretty defensive of Clem, almost verging on ''Spenceresque'' levels of ''in bed''.

If you seriously want to invest and have the backing, bring a consortium together and flush out all the shysters. Posting on here like some unofficial CEO isn't going to move anything forward. It also seems like your advisors are advising what most could see anyway - to not invest in STFC. So what is the point in you coming here to tell us this?

Many are past the point of no return with the current charlatans. And contrary to your final point. I think he is a bit stupid. You can't pretend to not know the legalities on multiple occasions, I'll tell ya that now.

Best Wishes,

An Uninformed Poster


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 20:17:41
Bathford just seems to simply believe Clem can turn it around. I'd wager that mainly comes from knowing the guy and his one on one charm when he isn't been interviewed. A lot seem to have fallen foul of it.

When his transgressions get listed in the cold light of day it really is quite damning.

A lot that have experienced the charm offensive don't seem to be able to understand why many of us are 'past the point of no return' but RobertT laid it out brilliantly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:06:26
Bathford just seems to simply believe Clem can turn it around. I'd wager that mainly comes from knowing the guy and his one on one charm when he isn't been interviewed. A lot seem to have fallen foul of it.

When his transgressions get listed in the cold light of day it really is quite damning.

A lot that have experienced the charm offensive don't seem to be able to understand why many of us are 'past the point of no return' but RobertT laid it out brilliantly.


All I’m saying is that he has until the end of Jan to prove us all wrong.  It will be an interesting few days. I’m just sat here on the fence playing devils advocate.

If he does, there’s going to be an awful lot of humble pie eaten on this forum. If he doesn’t, then he gets what he deserves.

All I’ve mentioned is the amount of space this has taken up without very few practical answers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:08:15

All I’m saying is that he has until the end of Jan to prove us all wrong.  It will be an interesting few days. I’m just sat here on the fence playing devils advocate.

If he does, there’s going to be an awful lot of humble pie eaten on this forum. If he doesn’t, then he gets what he deserves.

All I’ve mentioned is the amount of space this has taken up without very few practical answers.


‘All I’ve mentioned is the amount of space this has taken up without very few practical answers.‘

The thread in general or your bollocks?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:08:33
Bathford..
Your previous posts seem to show you are basically a good meaning person and like many long standing STFC supporters would like to see a successful future for the club.
However your latest post is way off the mark.
Morfuni is simply on a different planet to reality when he states he wants the best for the future of STFC.
He saw an opportunity to take on a business and make money in any form he can. Legal or not I suspect.
This current situation is possibly the most concerning the club has ever faced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:22:59
Do you ever wish you’d kept your big mouth shut? I do!

I guess all I’m saying is that we have been saying the same thing now for months. We’ve each identified ‘anomalies’ in his answers. Does it get us anywhere going on and on about it?

Give him a chance to prove us wrong as I’ve said. If he doesn’t, let all hell break loose.

Until then, this conversation is getting us nowhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:27:37
But what constitutes him getting it right


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:29:03
Do you ever wish you’d kept your big mouth shut? I do!

I guess all I’m saying is that we have been saying the same thing now for months. We’ve each identified ‘anomalies’ in his answers. Does it get us anywhere going on and on about it?

Give him a chance to prove us wrong as I’ve said. If he doesn’t, let all hell break loose.

Until then, this conversation is getting us nowhere.

There is a path forward available though, a solution.  The Trust concentrate on buying him out either fully or partially, as either a sole, primary or secondary investor.

I think i was trying to suggest that Clem has done enough by now to show what we will get.

I was also suggesting the Trust should seek people like your good self - if you won't, for whatever reason, be the primary investor, help and guide them to a goal of being the middle man for you, any maybe others.

You suggest you have the means, you suggest your advisors tell you not to.  Well, why not find an alternative solution with the Trust.  I am sure there are more than a handful of people with a "little" bit to invest who could be grouped together and support a formal bid with a registered Community Trust.  And lets be honest, while he may not say so in public, there is every chance Clem would take a deal that didn't pay off his Director loans upfront, but did guarantee repayment over time.  That way any deal can be structured so operational shortfalls can be covered initially.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cowley38 on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:31:00
Good evening,

As some of you will know, I have made my feelings clear over the current situation at the club.

I put out feelers with my friends re the possibility of buying the club and I have received guarded advice on this from advisors both from the accountancy and legal fields

These enquires were by their very wording asking for ‘soft’ advise. The answers made it clear that a more formal approach re due diligence was not required at this time.

I had, and still have my concerns.

However, let’s be fair, Clem was asked to act regarding the on field management. He did.

He was asked to take action on player recruitment. He has.

We are only on day 18 of the transfer window. There is time for further changes. He has stated that funds are available, a point reiterated by Gav.

In the interest of fair play, he has to be given the full month to make changes. We all know the last week of any transfer window is the busiest.

To be bluntly honest, snide, antagonistic remarks from uninformed individuals does no one any favours. Sarcastic remarks about his use of the term look is nothing more than pathetic reducing any constructive conversations to a farce.

‘Look’ is a commonly used term in Australia to start a sentence. I’ve found myself using it when talking to them.

Clearly we are all entitled to our own opinion, it’s the very essence of football forums. But is it constructive? I doubt it, does it help solve anything? Nope!

Clem knows full well that he is accountable for his actions on which history will be written.

It is his challenge to prove us all wrong.

If he fails, he is well aware of the consequences,  he isn’t stupid!



I know bullshit when I hear it so keep talking I'm listening.

You constantly talk about almost buying the club to the point its obvious bullshit!!

Then you put a post out that is so sucking up to Morfuni its nauseating and hilariously funny at the same time..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:35:55
Also for Bathford, I am not suggesting you should spunk your money just because you have some.  But it doesn't have to be all or nothing, does it?

I don't have any funds to do much beyond a tiny investment myself.   I'd love to offer my services, even if from afar.  I've done quite well for my self in my career, I am good at what I do, but I'm "between opportunities" right now.  I'd more than happily volunteer any time and expertise I could, especially around operating efficiencies - there would be more like me.  The Trust has lost it's way, why not be the person to bring them back and use your skills to drive a new outcome?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:44:23
Robert
A good deal is always when there is a willing buyer willing seller situation.

I suspect there are far more current "owners" in this club who will not want their gravey train to stop.

As for a group of purchasers / investors making a serious purchase...!!!

You would have a better chance of stitching a peace deal together in Isreal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 21:51:02
Whilst I remain to be convinced Clem is anything but a chancer, a dreamer at best, however does anyone on here and on the wider social media channels actually have any form of proof he's the devil incarnate? Is there not the possibility people have become so emotionally invested and wedded to the fact that the club is run by crooks and there's a conspiracy to be found at every turn, they themselves have been manipulated and now remain entrenched in their views without a true sense of reason?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 22:13:18
Also for Bathford, I am not suggesting you should spunk your money just because you have some.  But it doesn't have to be all or nothing, does it?

I don't have any funds to do much beyond a tiny investment myself.   I'd love to offer my services, even if from afar.  I've done quite well for my self in my career, I am good at what I do, but I'm "between opportunities" right now.  I'd more than happily volunteer any time and expertise I could, especially around operating efficiencies - there would be more like me.  The Trust has lost it's way, why not be the person to bring them back and use your skills to drive a new outcome?

Would love to get a group of people together to explore what a community ownership bid would look like. It needs a range of skills:  financial, legal, business, media, marketing, digital, community.  I don’t know enough about the Trust and how it operates but this group could work alongside them. Is community ownership an objective of the Trust?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 22:19:55
Good evening,

As some of you will know, I have made my feelings clear over the current situation at the club.

I put out feelers with my friends re the possibility of buying the club and I have received guarded advice on this from advisors both from the accountancy and legal fields

These enquires were by their very wording asking for ‘soft’ advise. The answers made it clear that a more formal approach re due diligence was not required at this time.

I had, and still have my concerns.

However, let’s be fair, Clem was asked to act regarding the on field management. He did.

He was asked to take action on player recruitment. He has.

We are only on day 18 of the transfer window. There is time for further changes. He has stated that funds are available, a point reiterated by Gav.

In the interest of fair play, he has to be given the full month to make changes. We all know the last week of any transfer window is the busiest.

To be bluntly honest, snide, antagonistic remarks from uninformed individuals does no one any favours. Sarcastic remarks about his use of the term look is nothing more than pathetic reducing any constructive conversations to a farce.

‘Look’ is a commonly used term in Australia to start a sentence. I’ve found myself using it when talking to them.

Clearly we are all entitled to our own opinion, it’s the very essence of football forums. But is it constructive? I doubt it, does it help solve anything? Nope!

Clem knows full well that he is accountable for his actions on which history will be written.

It is his challenge to prove us all wrong.

If he fails, he is well aware of the consequences,  he isn’t stupid!



G'day! Look, I asked my cat whether I should buy the club. The look they have me suggested it would not be a prudent move .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 22:22:05
Would love to get a group of people together to explore what a community ownership bid would look like. It needs a range of skills:  financial, legal, business, media, community.  I don’t know enough about the Trust and how it operates but this group could work alongside them. Is community ownership an objective of the Trust?

 I will stick my neck out and say that community ownership will never happen


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 22:27:16
Whilst I remain to be convinced Clem is anything but a chancer, a dreamer at best, however does anyone on here and on the wider social media channels actually have any form of proof he's the devil incarnate? Is there not the possibility people have become so emotionally invested and wedded to the fact that the club is run by crooks and there's a conspiracy to be found at every turn, they themselves have been manipulated and now remain entrenched in their views without a true sense of reason?

Which is precisely why I listed actual events, rather than the more emotional stuff about how he may come across in an interview.

For a period of one year (someone can dig out the start and end date), Zav Austin was listed as, and performed the role of, Vice Chairman of STFC.  IN Clem's own words, he was his man on the inside to keep him updated and act on his behalf because he had done such a good job in helping him get the club.  Zav Austin is a convicted criminal - ergo, we have indeed had crooks running the club in some shape or form.

Hart, also a convicted criminal, has been employed (believe via his company providing services rather than as a direct employee) to provide Strength and Conditioning.

I am a believer in rehabilitation, to a point, but there are certain crimes that should rule you out of being involved in certain roles or industries.  Being involved in drugs and money laundering are immediate disqualifiers for me, when it comes to being involved in a football club, in any shape or form.  Whether or not they learned their lesson is neither here nor there, they are free to engage in other pursuits, but not an industry that employs a significant number of younger people, is central to local communities and shrouds itself in a cloak of secrecy in relation to nearly all commercial and personal deals involving money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 22:42:49
Which is precisely why I listed actual events, rather than the more emotional stuff about how he may come across in an interview.

For a period of one year (someone can dig out the start and end date), Zav Austin was listed as, and performed the role of, Vice Chairman of STFC.  IN Clem's own words, he was his man on the inside to keep him updated and act on his behalf because he had done such a good job in helping him get the club.  Zav Austin is a convicted criminal - ergo, we have indeed had crooks running the club in some shape or form.

Hart, also a convicted criminal, has been employed (believe via his company providing services rather than as a direct employee) to provide Strength and Conditioning.

I am a believer in rehabilitation, to a point, but there are certain crimes that should rule you out of being involved in certain roles or industries.  Being involved in drugs and money laundering are immediate disqualifiers for me, when it comes to being involved in a football club, in any shape or form.  Whether or not they learned their lesson is neither here nor there, they are free to engage in other pursuits, but not an industry that employs a significant number of younger people, is central to local communities and shrouds itself in a cloak of secrecy in relation to nearly all commercial and personal deals involving money.

Yes, and I thought your post about that was very good and needed.

I can't fathom myself why any owner who has come in off the back of a toxic regime would then also decide to use the services of not only people with criminal histories but also those without any obvious footballing background.

The problem is, what evidence is there they are anything but rehabilitated? Have they done anything since their convictions to prove otherwise? Trust me, I'm not defending who get are, why they are the and whether they have influence or not... but if there's going to be endless speculation, mudslinging, accusations or basic insulations, then there comes a point for these to be presented and justified.

Clem is outright denying anything shady is going on, so it has to be on those who do vehemently believe there is, or have claimed there is to now prove otherwise.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 22:51:28
Dogs...
Interesting your last comment... how would you suggest that people who suspect wrong doings prove that. The only way is to withdrawal your financial support.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 23:01:43
Dogs...
Interesting your last comment... how would you suggest that people who suspect wrong doings prove that. The only way is to withdrawal your financial support.


Well yes, you could go down the boycott route, however we know when it comes to hardcore fans, whilst much is said in anger, carrying it out and abandoning is too hard to do. So, we are now at the stage where the owner has been directly confronted and had journalists put these concerns/accusations to him, he's denied them. Now those who have accused need to step up and demonstrably state why he's talking crap and being deceptive. If not, it appears merely to be a vendetta without substance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 23:01:49
The problem is, what evidence is there they are anything but rehabilitated? Have they done anything since their convictions to prove otherwise? Trust me, I'm not defending who get are, why they are the and whether they have influence or not... but if there's going to be endless speculation, mudslinging, accusations or basic insulations, then there comes a point for these to be presented and justified.

Well obviously neither have done enough to put them back in prison.....but Adam Hart was head of the London branch of MTK Global since being out of prison.

This in itself is a can of worms you'd have to research yourself more but in short, a company headed by Daniel Kinnahan Irish mob boss that has been banned from boxing for illegal activity and currently being investigated for using managing boxers (free of charge) as a means for money laundering.

Serious to a level that a ton of people in boxing with links to MTK Global have been unable to enter the United States for the past few years, including Tyson Fury.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, January 18, 2024, 23:37:49
Well obviously neither have done enough to put them back in prison.....but Adam Hart was head of the London branch of MTK Global since being out of prison.

This in itself is a can of worms you'd have to research yourself more but in short, a company headed by Daniel Kinnahan Irish mob boss that has been banned from boxing for illegal activity and currently being investigated for using managing boxers (free of charge) as a means for money laundering.

Serious to a level that a ton of people in boxing with links to MTK Global have been unable to enter the United States for the past few years, including Tyson Fury.

That is the kind of information which should really be highlighted and put to Clem, on record, to see what he makes of it it, whether having people like that is appropriate with a football, and if so, why. It's not enough to just broadly ask questions in interviews about shady characters, as no-one in their right mind would admit that in public.

This kind of stuff should be brought up in the fans forum, face to face.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Friday, January 19, 2024, 00:41:15
Clems answer...
Thanks for pointing that out. Will have my people look into it.
Next...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 19, 2024, 01:42:19
I mean, he batted off Zav being involved with his past by suggesting he'd learned from his mistakes when he was younger.  It wasn't a mistake - he was caught with hundreds of thousands of laundered cash in a bag from drug deals.  There is a reason that even the EFL specifically calls out this type of crime as disqualifying for having significant interest in the running of a football club.  Clem had him as Vice Chair and did not alert the EFL initially (there is a theme here, if anyone can spot it).  Then spent a few months suggesting they were seeking legal advice, before saying Zav was just a guest but a good friend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 19, 2024, 01:51:34
Oh, and since then Zav has set-up the Pakistan Visa scheme, and despite Clem's claims, has directly linked that to STFC (who act as sponsor of the scheme to enable scholarships to be given).  The Academy itself uses the STFC name and logo when promoting itself in Pakistan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, January 19, 2024, 06:57:23
The wealthy Scandinavian consortium trying to purchase Shrewsbury have exited negotiations. Maybe they realised they were after the wrong STFC :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 19, 2024, 07:12:19
Good evening,

As some of you will know, I have made my feelings clear over the current situation at the club.

I put out feelers with my friends re the possibility of buying the club and I have received guarded advice on this from advisors both from the accountancy and legal fields

These enquires were by their very wording asking for ‘soft’ advise. The answers made it clear that a more formal approach re due diligence was not required at this time.

I had, and still have my concerns.

However, let’s be fair, Clem was asked to act regarding the on field management. He did.

He was asked to take action on player recruitment. He has.

We are only on day 18 of the transfer window. There is time for further changes. He has stated that funds are available, a point reiterated by Gav.

In the interest of fair play, he has to be given the full month to make changes. We all know the last week of any transfer window is the busiest.

To be bluntly honest, snide, antagonistic remarks from uninformed individuals does no one any favours. Sarcastic remarks about his use of the term look is nothing more than pathetic reducing any constructive conversations to a farce.

‘Look’ is a commonly used term in Australia to start a sentence. I’ve found myself using it when talking to them.

Clearly we are all entitled to our own opinion, it’s the very essence of football forums. But is it constructive? I doubt it, does it help solve anything? Nope!

Clem knows full well that he is accountable for his actions on which history will be written.

It is his challenge to prove us all wrong.

If he fails, he is well aware of the consequences,  he isn’t stupid!



Again, not digging out the poster but the content.

Despite the majority of social media Town fans (for want of a better term) being ready to protest a lot of our fans are purely football supports who only really take an interest in what happens between 3pm & 5pm on a Saturday.

For these people Clem’s wrong doings are based on the squad & manager. He has taken steps to address those issues - so for a lot of fans that the extend he needs to bounce back so to speak.

So, yeah Clem certainly does have to end of this window to rectify the on field problems but he’s not going to make us sustainable, buy back the shares & boot out Hart & Austin this month he is?

Just reiterates a point I made else where - I personally think the message of why we are protesting needs to be better spread before the actual protests really kick off…



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, January 19, 2024, 07:24:43
I echo what other posters have said, it's too late for Clem to recover. Judging Clem on a good January will be like installing a smart screen TV on the Titanic.

Like politics, I yearn for STFC to just tick along and simmer under the surface rather than lurching from one crisis to another, only days and weeks apart. Those crisis' and the noise of the people who surround him will never end sadly. Clean start is best thing for everyone involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 19, 2024, 08:26:42
Oh, and since then Zav has set-up the Pakistan Visa scheme, and despite Clem's claims, has directly linked that to STFC (who act as sponsor of the scheme to enable scholarships to be given).  The Academy itself uses the STFC name and logo when promoting itself in Pakistan.
‘Using the club for services that don’t benefit the club.’

Maybe he’s trying to get rid of Austin.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Friday, January 19, 2024, 08:31:20
I echo what other posters have said, it's too late for Clem to recover. Judging Clem on a good January will be like installing a smart screen TV on the Titanic.


In my opinion potential owners of a club that has and likely will always lose money, are few and far between.

Do i want an honest, competent, ambitious owner that i can 100% get behind? Of course.

Sadly i believe the pool of owners is so small that we all have to be a little more practical. On that basis i'm prepared to allow Clem the latitude to recover. Not much evidence of it at the moment, but if it does happen then i'm behind it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:16:09
I still don’t get why he needed to pump £1.1m in, allegedly. Wages, VAT and HMRC are the major outgoings for any club and he’s saying, with our T/O, we can’t pay those.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:37:33
Maybe he’s trying to get rid of Austin.

He doubled (tripled?) down on Zavier/Zaver in the Morsehead interview. 'Without him i wouldnt get the club'... ZA is going nowhere. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:42:02
Just how did the Aussie plumber and the convicted money launderer cross paths in the first place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:42:45
Just how did the Aussie plumber and the convicted money launderer cross paths in the first place.

Through our ex-owner wasn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:57:11
Through our ex-owner wasn't it?
Think it preceded that as Clem said Zav introduced himself to Harrow FC, then after Clem wanted a little bit more football-wise, Zav introduced him to Power. Believe that's the origin stories references in previous interviews.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 19, 2024, 09:59:20
Still doesn’t explain how they met in the first place, though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jericho on Friday, January 19, 2024, 10:00:06
Through our ex-owner wasn't it?

Yep, Austin was originally brought in during summer 2015 by Power as a non-executive director (https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/sport/13585526.town-appoint-three-new-non-executive-directors/)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 19, 2024, 12:53:50
Someone at the club he was sponsoring introduced him to Lee Power then Zav came after. Bet he regrets the day he met them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 19, 2024, 13:37:49
Someone on our Whatsapp group was in the club shop earlier and mentioned that it was very cold inside. He was told the heating doesn't work, which is ironic given the owner and CEO are from a plumbing background.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 19, 2024, 14:15:42
Someone on our Whatsapp group was in the club shop earlier and mentioned that it was very cold inside. He was told the heating doesn't work, which is ironic given the owner and CEO are from a plumbing background.

Doesn’t work or switched off (to save money)?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 19, 2024, 14:58:54
Doesn’t work or switched off (to save money)?

I did wonder. Would be a terrible way to treat employees though wouldn't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:18:04
The wealthy Scandinavian consortium trying to purchase Shrewsbury have exited negotiations. Maybe they realised they were after the wrong STFC :sherlock:

The Trust should be contacting them and giving them nice directions and a guide on how to use the magic roundabout.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:22:53
‘Using the club for services that don’t benefit the club.’

Maybe he’s trying to get rid of Austin.

Tried to make him Vice Chair. The infamous deleted tweet reads to me like Clem has maybe made the case to the trust he isn't one of the crooks and he wants rid of them, but it just doesn't wash. Huge grin on his face next to Adam Hart last home game too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:24:18
Someone on our Whatsapp group was in the club shop earlier and mentioned that it was very cold inside. He was told the heating doesn't work, which is ironic given the owner and CEO are from a plumbing background.

Arkells bogs are a stage too, which is ironic considering stadium bogs is about all Axis UK have ever done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:30:48
Tried to make him Vice Chair. The infamous deleted tweet reads to me like Clem has maybe made the case to the trust he isn't one of the crooks and he wants rid of them, but it just doesn't wash. Huge grin on his face next to Adam Hart last home game too.
Perhaps he has Clem on strings


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:33:22
Perhaps he has Clem on strings

You never can tell, but the way he speaks of Austin doesn't really give that impression. Maybe its a front.

I reckon more likely to be the Dolph/Randford types.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 19, 2024, 15:39:14
I'm struggling to understand, other than it provides a cover story, why Clem and Hall seem to have got their knickers in a twist over the leasing of some space.  Granted it may not be on the best terms, but it's not like the club makes full use of it's facilities and extracts maximum value from every other square foot it has access to.  Same as the Merc, Power may well have stitched them up by leaving it in Switzerland, but it was never going to be just forgiven if the club were the legal leaseholder.  Why waste time and effort - make a settlement offer, see how the react and then pay up.  Fucking move on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 19, 2024, 16:37:46
I have now finally listened/watched all 3 interviews, i haven't seen the Adver one but i am sure it is the same info but in print form.  My take:

The Club interview was a PR stunt, and a bad one at that, edited together to make sure that Clems 5 or 6 key points that he wanted to get across did, and were repeated frequently - so put that one to one side.

The 2 worth listening to are the SM one and BBC, for 2 different reasons.  In the SM LSPOD he mentioned that he was first in the queue and suggested this was a good thing, i actually disagree with that. (Obviously Sam is on here so he can respond if he feels the need) I actually think as far as interviews go, the BBC one was better because Clem was in grumpy mode by then, and Andrew Hawes was able to get under his skin remarkably easilty but in the usual professional, almost polite manner in which Andrew always conducts his interviews, but he did ask the more taxing questions and did follow up when the question was avoided, albeit Clem sometimes just repeating what he said first time around.  

I would have liked to have heard Sam interviewing Clem in grumpy mode, as i believe that a few more techy responses to Sam may have lead to him being a bit more agressive with follow ups and without any BBC policies hanging over his head.  Sam did mention once or twice in his LSPOD piece that there were a few topics that maybe he should have raised, and i also keep in mind that although we know Sam from previous, he is the new kid on the block in STFC journalism terms, so maybe timing of this wasn't ideal for him.

Having said that, although i thought that the BBC interview was the better one due to topics of question and the grumpiness, i got more out of the SM/LSPOD portion of the content.  I know that it is probably not possible for Andrew Hawes to do this type of thing because of the BBC, but hearing some of the context around the interview and Sam's thoughts on the current situation, and comparing the goings on with previous regimes was great to hear, and I am hoping that once he is back into the swing of things properly that we will see some real investigative journalism back in town that we probably haven't seen since he was last around.  This is no disprespect to Andrew and Joe from the Adver, but they are working under strict policies and financial governence that means that there is only so much they can do.  

The likes of Ryan Whelan and The Lower Leagie look have been tweeting over the course of this week stating that the information about the goings on at the club is out there, and if they can find it then others can find it - my hope that one of the group will now get stuck in and find out what these people are alluding to in their tweets and start to expose the details more, but not in an ITK way that those guys do.

A few more things i think need mentioning from the interviews.  When Sam mentioned nafarious individuals, Clem started off by saying that there aren't any, and then without prompting went on to mention Zav Austin and how much loyalty he has towards him - i think this on it's own tells you that Clem knows exactly what Zav is and has zero intention of making him leave the group that is controlling the club, so if that one is on your wishlist for Clem Bouncebackability, then it ain't gonna happen.

Also at the end of the BBC interview, Andrew ended it with handing over the platform to Clem so that he could articulate and convince the frustrated fanbase as to why they should stick around.  He came up with, we are working really hard x2, we apologise and get behind Gav and the team, that was it..  your chance to sell the club and promote your vision for the future to get people back on side, and that was it.

I know that was a lot of guff to read, and most probably didn't want to read it or give a crap about my thoughts, but there you go, feel free to put me on ignore  :D



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 19, 2024, 16:39:43
Good post Berniman


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, January 19, 2024, 16:46:00
Oh, and one more point (sorry).  Clem obviously thnks that attending Advisory board meetings with the Trust and OSC is engaging with the fans..  Also, he is obviously oblivious to the real angst of the fanbase at the moment, and thinks it is all about league position, when the reality is that this is only a small slice of the problem pie.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, January 19, 2024, 16:58:43
Erm...someone said Sandro back overseeing recruitment...I hope not!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 19, 2024, 17:09:52
Sado Masochism


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 19, 2024, 17:54:50
Erm...someone said Sandro back overseeing recruitment...I hope not!

Surely not.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 19, 2024, 17:56:31
fuck off!

you sure that wasn't a joke because the window has been wank again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:02:37
Language  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:03:49
Course he isn't

One thing i did take from the interview with Andrew Hawes that i thought was interesting, no one else seems to have picked up on it though was he said he has been in touch with his lawyers and they are TRYING to buy the shares back. Makes me wonder whether the fact Kieley does not seem to be around as much now indicate someone is changing their mind about handing shares back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:06:59
Even if he was back - haven’t we made profit on most of the signings bought in whilst Sandro was here.

Don’t think Sandro was ever the issues - the problem was only signing a certain type of player - exactly what we doing again this window. Young, inexperienced players with potential upside we can hopefully flip in 2 years time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:20:07
Well, that was Sandro's doing, so was his problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:38:22
Quote from: TailBetweenLegs
Course he isn't

One thing i did take from the interview with Andrew Hawes that i thought was interesting, no one else seems to have picked up on it though was he said he has been in touch with his lawyers and they are TRYING to buy the shares back. Makes me wonder whether the fact Kieley does not seem to be around as much now indicate someone is changing their mind about handing shares back

I got a bit confused.

Probably need to listen again but I thought he first said it wasn't priority, then in progress, then what you said.  Might be wrong.

I guess trying could also be interpreted as trying to get the cash to.

what I don't think has been pinned down is whether there are preemption rights still exist. Can see the club being handed on to kiely and nice guy Eddie's Mrs and around we go again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, January 19, 2024, 18:59:54
Clem has flip flopped a lot on the buying back the shares thing. Gotta be a good six or seven times now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, January 19, 2024, 19:14:42
Is that because the share prices have since gone up!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Friday, January 19, 2024, 19:21:53
Part of all these extra costs the club has seemingly found could be due to the new shareholders wanting to make a load of money by selling the shares back at a much higher price.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, January 19, 2024, 22:35:31
The Trust should be contacting them and giving them nice directions and a guide on how to use the magic roundabout.
Have reached out to them. Not that I expect it them to do anything with it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 19, 2024, 23:25:08
Well, that was Sandro's doing, so was his problem.

Seen as we are still operating the same transfer strategy post Sandro whose to say it was his doing to only target a certain type of player.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 05:44:41
Proffered the old method where the manager used to tell the owner what type of player he wanted rather being presented with one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 13:14:01
Proffered the old method where the manager used to tell the owner what type of player he wanted rather being presented with one.

Agree. You employ a chief scout to help a manager assign targets then you do to the owner. Seems now a DoF and owner have chats and then see who a head coach likes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 13:22:01
In theory that gives an opportunity for consistency across managers.

But we change squad every 6 months. And the plan of being an incubator isn't working and won't meet fan expectation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 13:24:30
Agree. You employ a chief scout to help a manager assign targets then you do to the owner. Seems now a DoF and owner have chats and then see who a head coach likes.

I wonder what happens when the manager is told to choose between X,Y, Z player when he doesn’t want any of them but has to to take one or miss out completely. Remember the Power/Sherwood debacle when Luke Williams had no idea what players were being signed in the January window.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 17:16:41
Clem has flip flopped a lot 
you mean he's thonged a lot


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 17:18:34
you mean he's thonged a lot

Gee he’s stringing us along😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 18:03:25
you mean he's thonged a lot

He's defo jandaled a bit. Oops, no that's a Kiwi expression  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 19:10:57
If ever there was an example of why some of our Facebook fans are so naive in their support of Clem. Today I was at a kids party and one of the other Dads who I know is militant in his defence of Clem wandered across and said “rumour is Wayne Rooney was in Aldi on Drove Road yesterday”  I laughed thinking he was joking and he followed up with “He would be a great appointment to get the fans back”


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 19:24:39
If ever there was an example of why some of our Facebook fans are so naive in their support of Clem. Today I was at a kids party and one of the other Dads who I know is militant in his defence of Clem wandered across and said “rumour is Wayne Rooney was in Aldi on Drove Road yesterday”  I laughed thinking he was joking and he followed up with “He would be a great appointment to get the fans back”

They live amongst us


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 20:17:15

If ever there was an example of why some of our Facebook fans are so naive in their support of Clem. Today I was at a kids party and one of the other Dads who I know is militant in his defence of Clem wandered across and said “rumour is Wayne Rooney was in Aldi on Drove Road yesterday”  I laughed thinking he was joking and he followed up with “He would be a great appointment to get the fans back”


You really need to stop going to kids parties. It's not healthy  :D

Thinking of heading onto THAT FB page and just commenting on any ridiculous comment that they're a cunt. Be interesting how long it takes to get banned. I know it's silly but the thing is, it'd probably have the most factual accuracy than what is generally posted on there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 13:52:54
Wonder what lies and bullshit will come out to get ST renewals.

Don’t see half the number tbh u less he sells up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 13:59:07
Wonder what lies and bullshit will come out to get ST renewals.

Don’t see half the number tbh u less he sells up

We were chatting about this the other day. I think the agreement was that we'd be lucky to top 3k given this season and what's happening off the field.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:05:17
You really need to stop going to kids parties. It's not healthy  :D

Thinking of heading onto THAT FB page and just commenting on any ridiculous comment that they're a cunt. Be interesting how long it takes to get banned. I know it's silly but the thing is, it'd probably have the most factual accuracy than what is generally posted on there.

You'd be surprised considering I'm not banned yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:07:11
I know this isn't the preferred option but if in theory we went in to admin, could/would the administrators look at the outgoings at the club and fuck the likes of Adam Harts strength and conditioning fees off for example?

Might be the next best option to starting again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:40:25
I know this isn't the preferred option but if in theory we went in to admin, could/would the administrators look at the outgoings at the club and fuck the likes of Adam Harts strength and conditioning fees off for example?

Might be the next best option to starting again.

Don't think administration will be an option. Don't think there are any secured creditors apart from 'unsavoury characters' who wouldn't petition for administration gor obvious reasons. Key question is probably how long the contracts are that are financially depleting the club. If they are long-term then the club is finished.

The best things that fans should do in the circumstances is to stop going to games to try and bring matters to a head. It would be better than
another 10 years of decay.
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:42:12
Also we werent we threatened with expulsion from the league if we went into Admin again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:43:32
Also we werent we threatened with expulsion from the league if we went into Admin again

Not sure I follow. Don't think administration would be an option in the current circumstances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:47:35
About 20 odd years ago I think admin was like three strikes and you’re out.
Third time would be bankruptcy & expulsion.

However, now a days I think clubs don’t really go into admin do they? Owners plug the gaps with director loans meaning there are no external creditors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:49:14
Clem would have to put us into Admin then the Administrators would agree a % in the £ to the people we owe money to which is Clem. So he’d be basically doing himself out of money - so won’t ever happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:51:53
About 20 odd years ago I think admin was like three strikes and you’re out.
Third time would be bankruptcy & expulsion.

However, now a days I think clubs don’t really go into admin do they? Owners plug the gaps with director loans meaning there are no external creditors.

Wasn’t there a time limit on the 3 times, so if the 3rd one was within x years you’re out.

Although as you say, as most of the money we owe is to Clem he’s hardly going to force us into admin, unless it becomes cheaper to do that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:52:37
Then some more crooks would buy the club for a knock down price


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 14:55:24
About 20 odd years ago I think admin was like three strikes and you’re out.
Third time would be bankruptcy & expulsion.

However, now a days I think clubs don’t really go into admin do they? Owners plug the gaps with director loans meaning there are no external creditors.

I think administration can only apply if a secured creditor petitions for winding up. The most common creditor who brings petitions against football clubs is HMRC but this wouldn't be administration but liquidation. As I said I don't think administration would happen in Swindon's circumstances. In any case in administration I don't think contracts are legally voidable. A buyer would have to take on the contracts of the club and which buyer in their right mind would do that in the current circumstances. Liquidation would get rid of these contracts but the club would have to start again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:11:58
Would going into admin take the CG as an asset and be used to pay off debts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:16:06
Surely they couldn’t if the Trust own 50%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:19:06
They could use the club's half


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:20:40
Would going into admin take the CG as an asset and be used to pay off debts?

No. Administration isn't really an option unless there is a secured external creditor who petitions the Court. Assuming the County Ground isn't developed by Clem I think that half share reverts to the Council after 3 years. I would think that the legal entities who hold the ground would be different to the club so the club being liquidated wouldn't impact the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:21:28
So, the club’s half which = Clem’s half, would repay him some of his debt.

Presume the CG is actually worth a lot more than the £2.2m the JV paid the council for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:22:21
No. Administration isn't really an option unless there is a secured external creditor who petitions the Court. Assuming the County Ground isn't developed by Clem I think that half share reverts to the Council after 3 years. I would think that the legal entities who hold the ground would be different to the club so the club being liquidated wouldn't impact the ground.

It only reverts if the council want it. It doesn’t automatically revert.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:23:26
It only reverts if the council want it. It doesn’t automatically revert.

Hopefully they would want it in the event of a liquidation type scenario!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:25:40
Unless that event occurred before the 3 years


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:39:25
the apathy in our fanbase is unbelievable- we look to be sleepwalking to the non-league and still the owner seems to have a decent element of support.

We should be demanding a full breakdown of our so called 8.3m running costs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 15:51:55
Clem doesn’t have to do Jack shit if he doesn’t want to. We can demand til we’re blue in the face.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 16:19:25
Just don't renew ST/buy tickets

Problem is even with 2k ST all he will do is cut even more, if we think this season has been bad i think we are in for worse unless he clears off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 16:24:08
I still think you would get 3500+ most fans I know don’t even come on this forum and will support the football club whoever is in charge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 16:25:16
Agree- but he will just use that as an excuse to cut the playing budget even more


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 16:26:50
So how does that help then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 16:27:56
Just don't renew ST/buy tickets

Problem is even with 2k ST all he will do is cut even more, if we think this season has been bad i think we are in for worse unless he clears off

Yes. The way to affect change is for fans to stop going to games. Why would you buy a season ticket in the current circumstances? Blackpool fans managed to get rid of the Oystons in the end by boycotting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 16:53:56
Not sure that railing against the apathy of our fans and advocating an ownership ousting boycott is consistent.

The first step, imo, would be to educate and influence the wider fanbase with leaflets and perhaps back to orange?

And for the Trust to grow a pair in terms of obfuscation and broken promises by the Board. 

We desperately need new owners.  But I'm still open-minded as to what outcome a well supported boycott would actually achieve if that is the goal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 17:00:47
There’s no guarantee any new owner will be a better owner - as we’ve found out with the succession of the 3 amigos.

The likelihood is, Clem would bow out leaving it to Kiely or even the resurrection of previous hangers on when Power was owner


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 17:06:36
There’s no guarantee any new owner will be a better owner - as we’ve found out with the succession of the 3 amigos.

The likelihood is, Clem would bow out leaving it to Kiely or even the resurrection of previous hangers on when Power was owner
You're right of course in terms of the likely next step in terms of ownership.

I'd had in mind new owners who would drain the swamp.

Failing that, I'm yet to see what tightening the financial noose on Clem and Co would achieve.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 17:43:42
Clem would have to put us into Admin then the Administrators would agree a % in the £ to the people we owe money to which is Clem. So he’d be basically doing himself out of money - so won’t ever happen.

Yeah but 60% of his money back clean, is much better than the 100% dirty money he's ''put in''. Remember that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 17:59:38
Clem will likely sell to Keily anyway...or we get another 'hostile takeover' {Clem's words} situation:

Kiely wants to own the ground and claims they put 3m in in 2022
The Trust get behind Kiely to oust Clem
Kiely lauded as the new saviour, gets given a ''Hero of the Year'' award
A few years down the line Kiely sells 20% ish shares to a mystery investor {probs Kinahan}

It all sounds so familiar and similar doesn't it. Rinse repeat until they've had enough or drained every professional element away from the club :/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 19:49:19
Yeah but 60% of his money back clean, is much better than the 100% dirty money he's ''put in''. Remember that.

Yeah but surely selling the club and getting a chunk of his money back upfront and the rest back in stages is better than only getting 60% of it…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 19:49:57
….and it’s Kiely


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 20:07:03

….and it’s Kiely


Pendant  ;)

In fact, I did spell it Kiely in the first offering and kept getting a ''helpful'' assists to change it to Keily. But I knew Kiely was correct. If you see the rest of the comment...all the remaining Keily's are spelt in the correct way.

Then again, who knows really. Like Jed/Ged/Mc/Mac/Rory/Roary and Xav/Zav/ier/er maybe Mr Kiely spells his name Keily when it's convenient to need to?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 20:12:54

Yeah but surely selling the club and getting a chunk of his money back upfront and the rest back in stages is better than only getting 60% of it…


You're talking as if these people follow the rules properly at all times. Which I would say in a more normal sense, then yes that'd be correct. I would say though that people who have unclean money, and will b in receipt of some clean money...then they don't hang around for long once they want out.

Also, due to the nature of other people involved. There's probably a chance he wouldn't see his future staged payments


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 22, 2024, 08:28:48
Lying in bed last night thinking about all this (I know, I know) and a few things kept going through my head. So all of this is from the last set of advisory board minutes, quoted verbatim.

Quote
As well as £250k earlier in the season, Clem has had to put in an extra £850k in the last 3 Months, this may not be the last cash injection required this season.

So that's £1.1m injected this season, with the expectation of more

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Budget from summer transfer window was not fully used, we had 3 deals fall through the day before the end of the summer transfer window. There will be money there for January and Clem will add more money if needed to get what we need in the window.

The playing budget was not fully spent by their own words, and yet in the five months since then the club has needed £1.1m of cash injected into it. Was this due to unforeseen off-field costs? Or was this an expected part of our financial forecasts (do we have financial forecasts?). The only clearly new cost discussed in the minutes is £8k to fix the DRS roof, which is not going to scratch the sides of the supposed shortfall here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, January 22, 2024, 08:37:32
Not trying to justify the expenditure but I do believe that some of the maintenance they have done on the stadium has cost more than expected.

With regards to whether the costs were expected, didn’t they say in one of the AB meetings that they were expecting a loss of over £1m this year, which we all (quite rightly) questioned at the time.

The problem is these are all costs that are hidden so could be genuine or just ways of siphoning off money


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 22, 2024, 08:39:13
He said it was for VAT, HMRC and wages. If we can’t pay these from T/O we really are in the shit cos he can’t keep injecting money on an ongoing basis. Which is why I smell bullshit - probably to show the fan base he is still soooo committed to the club. Presume this cash injection would show up in the accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 22, 2024, 08:41:59
Workshopping some questions for the Advisory Board (I know some people think it's a total waste of time, but they do answer questions to some degree and I think it'd be useful to get things on record). What have I missed, and what can I improve the wording of to get a clearer answer?

The December minutes state that Clem has injected £1.1m into the club since the start of the season, and that this 'may not be the last cash injection required this season'. They also state that the playing budget for the summer transfer window was not fully spent. My questions are:

1) Was the £1.1m shortfall in line with the club's financial forecasts? 
2) If not, what costs arose that the club were not forecasting? The only notable new cost mentioned in the previous minutes was £8k on the DRS roof
3) If the playing budget had been fully spent, a higher amount clearly would have been needed to balance the books. Was Clem prepared to cover this as well?

Looking back at the club's published accounts from the 2021/22 FY (https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/swindon-town-release-accounts-for-the-202122-financial-year/) the club recorded an overall profit of £158,000 on a turnover of £6.4m. 

4. Whilst I understand this covers a period that completed nearly two years ago and that contained the Manchester City FA Cup game, how have we gone from being a profitable club to needing £1.1m investment to cover 5 months trading in the period since? 
5. I presume that all unfavourable commercial deals that Clem Morfuni and Anthony Hall have referred to were agreed under the previous owners of the club. If so, they're reflected in the 2021/22 accounts: have the terms become less favourable in some way since then?


Trying to ask reasonable questions that receive a reasonable answer - and ideally which can't just be "the Trust looked at the books and gave us a gold star"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, January 22, 2024, 09:15:58
It’s not that deep nemo. He’s making it up as he goes along and the trust are too weak/scared/enthralled to challenge


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 22, 2024, 09:20:45
It’s not that deep nemo. He’s making it up as he goes along and the trust are too weak/scared/enthralled to challenge

I'm not sure I'm completely subscribed to that view, but I can see it as a possible explanation. I struggle with it though, there are people in the Trust (not all of them!) who I have a lot of historic respect for, it seems a bit wild that just *now* they'd suddenly become completely toothless peons at the worst possible time.

As for Clem, I definitely do think there's a bit of the Boris Johnson "say whatever helps in the moment and hang the long term consequences" - but for me, that's a reason to get him on record saying stuff which may or may not prove clearly false later.

Ultimately, we're going to, in the next couple of months, submit the club accounts for 22/23. Whilst there's more room for creativity in accounting than people probably realise, they will on some level give proof/disproof to a lot of the claims that have been made - or at least bring up more questions (perhaps another 7 figures rise in 'administration expenses'?)



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, January 22, 2024, 09:21:38
I like those questions. Clear, and polite - if they don’t answer those it would appear they are trying to hide something.

One practical thing to remember is cash flow needs and losses are not the same. Based on interviews Hall certainly doesn’t appear to understand this. I assume CM probably does.
To calculate this season’s profit / loss you’d include season ticket income - most of which was paid in April to June last year so will have paid wages etc in May /June 23 - last season’s costs.

On a separate point, i have been away so missed last week’s circus and have just caught up with CM’s media tour.  The thing I found really challenging was the bit around others owning around 20% of the club but (according do CM) “it’s only me and Anthony running the club” - that’s either a lie or a major worry as both are clueless about how to run a football club.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 22, 2024, 09:23:39
I like those questions. Clear, and polite - if they don’t answer those it would appear they are trying to hide something.

One practical thing to remember is cash flow needs and losses are not the same. Based on interviews Hall certainly doesn’t appear to understand this. I assume CM probably does.
To calculate this season’s profit / loss you’d include season ticket income - most of which was paid in April to June last year so will have paid wages etc in May /June 23 - last season’s costs.

On a separate point, i have been away so missed last week’s circus and have just caught up with CM’s media tour.  The thing I found really challenging was the bit around others owning around 20% of the club but (according do CM) “it’s only me and Anthony running the club” - that’s either a lie or a major worry as both are clueless about how to run a football club.

Quite right on the distinction between cashflow and profit/loss, although there's s clear relationship. I have a vague memory that STs paid for on credit card used to get paid to the club in stages over the season, although I don't think we ever took credit cards for STs this year... another dark amber flag!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, January 22, 2024, 09:26:20
Its a sham of a process, but fair play for trying to play them at their own game.

One thing that surprises me is the lack of scrutiny on the debenture recall. CM says Power forced it in 3 days, Companies House says Power never purchased them.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/charges



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 22, 2024, 09:43:37
Not trying to justify the expenditure but I do believe that some of the maintenance they have done on the stadium has cost more than expected.

With regards to whether the costs were expected, didn’t they say in one of the AB meetings that they were expecting a loss of over £1m this year, which we all (quite rightly) questioned at the time.

The problem is these are all costs that are hidden so could be genuine or just ways of siphoning off money

Clem and the club could put a lot of the fans questions to bed by (and I think it was Ardiles who already alluded to this) just bloody showing their workings. If the £1.1 million was to cover unexpected stadium renovation or whatever then why can't the club walk through them with the Trust who could then give a relatively detailed explanation as to where this money has gone.

The constant vagueness of these things is the frustrating thing. Of course fans shouldn't expect a regular forensic analysis to be provided by the club, but for owners who have been very vocal about the fact that the club has been run badly by shady owners in the past and are trying to put right these wrongs and had made a promise to be open and transparent about things, they need to step up to the plate and start being open and transparent.

Because of all the financial heartache Swindon fans have been through in the past, for the club to say in one statement - we didn't use all the player budget in the summer and have some leftover for January and then in another say - Clem had to put 1.1 million to cover costs really doesn't provide much confidence at all. The fans forum is just over a week away. Perhaps questions will be answered properly then (I have my doubts)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 22, 2024, 10:05:24
Have we brought Diane Abbott on board?  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 22, 2024, 10:34:01
Its a sham of a process, but fair play for trying to play them at their own game.

Why is it?

I have my reservations about what I think will happen, mainly time related, but what have you seen that you don't like?

if all the questions are about Clem's favorite cheese then fair enough.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 22, 2024, 10:36:13
Why is it?

I have my reservations about what I think will happen, mainly time related, but what have you seen that you don't like?

if all the questions are about Clem's favorite cheese then fair enough.

Who is asking the questions at the forum? It would be good if it was Hawes, or someone from the Loathed Strangers Podcast (Dan or Terry would give them a right grilling I imagine) was to do it.

It'll be Vic Reeves won't it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:04:53
Why is it?

I have my reservations about what I think will happen, mainly time related, but what have you seen that you don't like?

if all the questions are about Clem's favorite cheese then fair enough.


Because detailed questions get brushed aside with less than a sentence answer.

Cant even get a straight answer on plan for a bike rack.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:18:30
Why is it?

I have my reservations about what I think will happen, mainly time related, but what have you seen that you don't like?

if all the questions are about Clem's favorite cheese then fair enough.
The people in the room ought to be able to discuss any plans and the various challenges with it, but the minutes don't paint that it's a discussion, more an update and a few Q's being asked, a few A's taken away to look at.
The fact it exists is lovely but it could be used for so much more if the Club and other parties wanted to actually discuss matters openly


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:31:54
I'm not sure I'm completely subscribed to that view, but I can see it as a possible explanation. I struggle with it though, there are people in the Trust (not all of them!) who I have a lot of historic respect for, it seems a bit wild that just *now* they'd suddenly become completely toothless peons at the worst possible time.

As for Clem, I definitely do think there's a bit of the Boris Johnson "say whatever helps in the moment and hang the long term consequences" - but for me, that's a reason to get him on record saying stuff which may or may not prove clearly false later.

Ultimately, we're going to, in the next couple of months, submit the club accounts for 22/23. Whilst there's more room for creativity in accounting than people probably realise, they will on some level give proof/disproof to a lot of the claims that have been made - or at least bring up more questions (perhaps another 7 figures rise in 'administration expenses'?)



I don’t think they have suddenly become completely toothless peons just now. I think they’ve been that for years and the consequences of it are just becoming clear and apparent now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:33:33

Because detailed questions get brushed aside with less than a sentence answer.

Cant even get a straight answer on plan for a bike rack.

Ah, fair enough. Yeah I see where you are coming from.

The people in the room ought to be able to discuss any plans and the various challenges with it, but the minutes don't paint that it's a discussion, more an update and a few Q's being asked, a few A's taken away to look at.
The fact it exists is lovely but it could be used for so much more if the Club and other parties wanted to actually discuss matters openly

Can only thing they don't think/care they have a credibility and trust problem. At least not in the numbers that make them worry. Or maybe there is another reason they don't want to discuss things...

"don't worry, things must be fine they keep buying season tickets".

I remember a local councilor saying the same about the local Tory party controlled council.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:45:53
Interesting Twitter thread on Twitter. Paul D looking for an answer/answers from the Trust which appears to be just totally ignored. Not a good look really.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 22, 2024, 12:03:44
Looking for the right words, but hopefully the new Trust board will be a lot more combative & in the face of the club, while at the same time being a lot more up front with the membership.

Just had the thought, would the Trust board members on the CG JV committee, who are standing down also have to stand down from the JV?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Monday, January 22, 2024, 12:51:57
IMO the mission statement needs to be re-written to include the JV, or at least reference it

The Trust also needs to take stock of the mission statements and whether the activities they're engaged in either a) have a tangible outcome or b) pull towards one of the stated goals of the Trust.

There's an opportunity to re-establish the relationship with the club and the fans they represent. I'm sure a lot has happened behind closed doors but other than a statue and collecting up AB questions, I couldn't tell you what the Trust are actively doing on a monthly basis.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Monday, January 22, 2024, 15:19:54
Loving the article on the adver site which Clem says quite confidently that there will be no points deduction from the non disclosure of share transfer - because the lawyers have told him what will likely happen.

Is this the same lawyers that told him he did not have to disclose the share transfer to the FL - if it is then I would be worried !?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 22, 2024, 15:45:26
Loving the article on the adver site which Clem says quite confidently that there will be no points deduction from the non disclosure of share transfer - because the lawyers have told him what will likely happen.

Is this the same lawyers that told him he did not have to disclose the share transfer to the FL - if it is then I would be worried !?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Almost as if he's talking out of his ass.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 22, 2024, 16:03:49
Loving the article on the adver site which Clem says quite confidently that there will be no points deduction from the non disclosure of share transfer - because the lawyers have told him what will likely happen.

Is this the same lawyers that told him he did not have to disclose the share transfer to the FL - if it is then I would be worried !?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Actually I'm going to stick up for him here. There is no precedent that points deductions fit this "crime".

I'm surprised though its taking so long for the independent panel to dish out the verdict. Hopefully they just meet every third full moon and its not indicitive of something else being linked in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 22, 2024, 16:18:46
Open & shut case isn't it.

I would be staggered if we got an immediate points deduction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 22, 2024, 16:27:53
Could well be that it highlighted a few other areas of concern, like Zav performing the role of Vice Chair without their approval and Chris Kiely being listed as a Director, in error of course.  I imagine the small matter of the Chelsea payment may have meant people taking a bit of time to ensure everything is separate, not to mention the existing Agent acting as a person of significant interest in the football club case already on the books.

On it's own, the offence is a fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, January 22, 2024, 17:17:20
Actually I'm going to stick up for him here. There is no precedent that points deductions fit this "crime".

I'm surprised though its taking so long for the independent panel to dish out the verdict. Hopefully they just meet every third full moon and its not indicitive of something else being linked in.

Unless they're still investigating something else.

If its Abramovic, etc. then I hope not.

If its criminal characters connected to the club then I live in hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, January 22, 2024, 18:02:06
Looking for the right words, but hopefully the new Trust board will be a lot more combative & in the face of the club, while at the same time being a lot more up front with the membership.

Just had the thought, would the Trust board members on the CG JV committee, who are standing down also have to stand down from the JV?

It will only change if people actually volunteer, I wonder how many have?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 22, 2024, 18:03:13
I know 1 or 2 who have who i think will make a difference, fingers crossed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 22, 2024, 19:24:01
It will only change if people actually volunteer, I wonder how many have?

Well, that shouldn't be the case.  Yes, the expertise available and level of effort may change with the Board, as may a sense of direction.  However, the Trust should be largely reflective of it's member base as well, so any member with a vote should be able to wield some degree of influence over the general goals and objectives of the Trust.  Otherwise, what is the point in me signing up as a member (which I have done), knowing that my location serves as an impediment to being a useful Board member.  I'd still like to be able communicate with the Trust and have my views seen and heard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Mplanney on Monday, January 22, 2024, 21:13:53
Who is asking the questions at the forum? It would be good if it was Hawes, or someone from the Loathed Strangers Podcast (Dan or Terry would give them a right grilling I imagine) was to do it.

It'll be Vic Reeves won't it?
As highlighted in the official site interview with Clem the club seem to only have  one microphone.  If someone has to walk back and forth between the panel, audience and the host we aren’t going to get through many questions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 00:30:28
Well, that shouldn't be the case.  Yes, the expertise available and level of effort may change with the Board, as may a sense of direction.  However, the Trust should be largely reflective of it's member base as well, so any member with a vote should be able to wield some degree of influence over the general goals and objectives of the Trust.  Otherwise, what is the point in me signing up as a member (which I have done), knowing that my location serves as an impediment to being a useful Board member.  I'd still like to be able communicate with the Trust and have my views seen and heard.

Have you asked if your location would be an issue?  I'm not sure expecting the same people to do something different will likely happen, so yes if people want change then people need to volunteer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 08:50:59
With the will they/won't they flux of the TSTBL status, it's making me wonder if they're going to stream the forum at all. Could well be for the live attendees only... Are the OSC looking into it? Could the Broadbenters offer support to Vic and co again?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 09:17:51
With the will they/won't they flux of the TSTBL status, it's making me wonder if they're going to stream the forum at all. Could well be for the live attendees only... Are the OSC looking into it? Could the Broadbenters offer support to Vic and co again?

They need to do live on MS teams and it can be sabotaged liked the court case was :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 09:22:09
We need to send NMH as TEF scribe to make detailed notes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 12:51:11
Have you asked if your location would be an issue?  I'm not sure expecting the same people to do something different will likely happen, so yes if people want change then people need to volunteer.

I would want to do a good job if I were to run for such a thing.  As things stand, the fact I operate in the Eastern Time Zone in the USA and I am currently "between opportunities" (unemployed!!!), I don't even know what I will be doing work wise in a few weeks, so would hate to commit and then find I can't really contribute (chance my next role could involve travel for example).

As with the 2007/08 period, I will offer my time and support though - as I said, you don
't have to be a board member.  Hopefully, after some new people get involved, they may even respond to my e-mails.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 12:57:17
What happens to the CG uf there is no club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 13:10:49
We need to send NMH as TEF scribe to make detailed notes
Unlikely from Costa Rica I would think!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 13:11:48
A decent, and well managed webinar type service would enable full transcription, even live.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 13:12:30
What happens to the CG uf there is no club

50% owned by the Trust would stay, then assume the other 50% is put up for sale by receivers and sold to the highest bidder - depends if there was any clauses put in the contract, nothing like that was ever made public


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 13:14:14
50% owned by the Trust would stay, then assume the other 50% is put up for sale by receivers and sold to the highest bidder - depends if there was any clauses put in the contract, nothing like that was ever made public

Not sure of the legal detail, but it was described as not being possible for the CLUB to sell the ground without the approval of the Board, which has 4 votes with the Trust and Eady vs 2 for the club.  Unsure of any protections from insolvency events, but if it remains that basic, it's only an asset for the club itself, not something that can be stripped out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:33:44
List of importance.....

Player sales
Season ticket sales
Hospitality packages
Joint venture
Music concerts
STFC Women
STFC U18
Blade of grass sponsorship
Catering
New fax machine
Men's team




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:37:47
List of importance.....

Player sales
Season ticket sales
Hospitality packages
Joint venture
Music concerts
STFC Women
STFC U18
Blade of grass sponsorship
Catering
New fax machine
Stopping adults abusing reduced tickets
Getting the plumbing and heating working at the club
Redevolping the ground
Youth team/schoolboys team
Pakistan venture
Aussie academy
Men's team


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:40:45
You lot make me sick.

No bike rack in the list.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:41:48
Isn't there supposed to be a statue going up?   :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:49:25
Isn't there supposed to be a statue going up?   :sherlock:

Are you suggesting that Don's arse can be used as a bike rack?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:54:34
.
https://youtu.be/Ti7J4n1ytEI?si=VWzFXIdeC75La8IB


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 16:55:40
Are you suggesting that Don's arse can be used as a bike rack?
I would suggest that only 1 poster on the TEF has had that idea before about 5 mins ago......give us a B.......give us an A.....give us a T...... give us a C......

You can see where this is going now cant you? :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:14:43
You can see where this is going now cant you? :D

You've spelt Bathford wrong?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:15:41
You've spelt Bathford wrong?

I dont think I have now have I?

Go stand in the naughty corner.

Again....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:27:58
I thought it was quite telling during the Morfuni media rounds last week when in one of the interviews, I think the club one, he was asked when he expects us to be debt free. The response was along the lines of 2-3 years, ‘maybe sooner if we manage to get promoted’.

We aren’t going anywhere fast gents (upwards, that is). A limp second half of the season is the least of our worries - we’re going to be stuck for a while yet  :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:29:07
He also said in the same interview that the sun is to be in the premier league I believe. Top half of league 2 would be a start!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:29:38
I’m getting to the point where I’d take relegation if it meant people woke up and we could get rid of these chancers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:32:36
What do we reckon on ST sales next season? Assuming we retain FL status and there’s no major change in direction of travel off the pitch in terms of investment or otherwise.

I think we are around the 5,200 mark, and I’d really struggle to see us drop below 4000…still c1,000 reduction, but not the drop off I think some expect.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:34:56
What do we reckon on ST sales next season? Assuming we retain FL status and there’s no major change in direction of travel off the pitch in terms of investment or otherwise.

I think we are around the 5,200 mark, and I’d really struggle to see us drop below 4000…still c1,000 reduction, but not the drop off I think some expect.
I think it was said by the club we had just over 5,100 season tickets sold this year. Back under Power we regularly had only 3,000 to 3,500 season ticket sales.

I fear this could well be the amount for next season if we have stagnated and with little sign of signing better replacements for what we have and carry on with the inexperienced route..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:35:46
3,288


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:59:18
As things stand I’m almost certain to get thrown out of the fans forum next week. It’s just one clusterfuck after another.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 17:59:25
If we finish in a similar position to where we are at the moment then I think we will sell less than 4k.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:06:25
Whatever PR Clem has up his sleeve is going to be keek as fuck isn't it?

Probably offer a night at Romford Dogs with Anthony Hall if we shift 6k tickets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:09:08
If we finish in a similar position to where we are at the moment then I think we will sell less than 4k.

I think that is highly unlikely we maintain where we are right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:15:11
Fans are fickle maybe less season ticket sales but  more paying on the day if results we’re good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:15:55
Whatever PR Clem has up his sleeve is going to be keek as fuck isn't it?

Probably offer a night at Romford Dogs with Anthony Hall if we shift 6k tickets.

'We're going to the dogs, and we're taking you with us'

The marketing copy writes itself.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:19:24
more paying on the day if results we’re good.
Don’t think there’s any danger of that under this lot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:22:50
Don’t think there’s any danger of that under this lot.

I was hoping the shit would have been shovelled out by then :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:26:14
What do we reckon on ST sales next season? Assuming we retain FL status and there’s no major change in direction of travel off the pitch in terms of investment or otherwise.

I think we are around the 5,200 mark, and I’d really struggle to see us drop below 4000…still c1,000 reduction, but not the drop off I think some expect.

I will renew so long as he keeps to his word and prices don't go up. I go for the football not the politics


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:33:20
I go for the football not the politics

Not been much of the first on display this season, or last. 

Joking aside, most people who attend are like you, which is why the past two seasons are an even bigger problem.  It doesn't take much for a dive in attendances, and it's usually hard work for the same regime to bring them back.  Clem had the Trust and not being Power in his back pocket, so rode a wave of enthusiasm.  Season ticket sales are very likely to fall - especially if they take actual actions in relation to their speech on the gap with matchday tickets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:50:03
Reading are still getting really good crowds despite the unrest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 18:54:09
there can be a togetherness in crisis

I'd imagine Reading fans are at the point of thinking their club is at risk, ours aren't


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 19:23:10
Not sure of the legal detail, but it was described as not being possible for the CLUB to sell the ground without the approval of the Board, which has 4 votes with the Trust and Eady vs 2 for the club.  Unsure of any protections from insolvency events, but if it remains that basic, it's only an asset for the club itself, not something that can be stripped out.

I wonder what a potential buyer of the club would make of this arrangement?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 19:28:36
I will renew so long as he keeps to his word and prices don't go up. I go for the football not the politics

Nothing to do with politics. I won’t be renewing our 2 season tickets as I’m not putting my hard earned money into the pockets of crooks to do as they wish, with little evidence of any going into the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 19:28:50
there can be a togetherness in crisis

I'd imagine Reading fans are at the point of thinking their club is at risk, ours aren't

Ours need to wake up then :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 19:29:25
On possible phoenix name, we were actually founded as Swindon AFC, so really only one choice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 19:33:52
Spartans


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 21:05:09
I have this awful feeling that Clem is going to get an easy ride at the fans forum next week, I just really do not see him getting a grilling.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 21:14:46
I have this awful feeling that Clem is going to get an easy ride at the fans forum next week, I just really do not see him getting a grilling.
Who on here is actually going? I’m going and fully intend on making it perfectly clear he’s manipulative liar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 21:18:15
The Trust have woken up on twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 21:20:20
To say that they're not going to be the club's spokespeople. Which is right, except that they started being that and once you start it's rather difficult to stop.

Perhaps they might try being the fans spokespeople instead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 21:20:35
Who was that fella that threw a shoe at George Bush?

Bill Gates got a pie in the face.

Various people have been egged?

What would be fit for an Aussie twat? Can of Fosters?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 21:25:59
To say that they're not going to be the club's spokespeople. Which is right, except that they started being that and once you start it's rather difficult to stop.

Perhaps they might try being the fans spokespeople instead.
They’ve also accidentally admitted in one of their tweets tonight that they have basically been the club’s spokesperson. Shambles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 22:00:04
They’ve also accidentally admitted in one of their tweets tonight that they have basically been the club’s spokesperson. Shambles.

Would be good to see these tweets for those of us not part of the twatterati


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 22:03:04
They’ve also accidentally admitted in one of their tweets tonight that they have basically been the club’s spokesperson. Shambles.

What account is that.
I follow the Trust on Twitter & haven’t seen anything


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 22:04:24
What account is that.
I follow the Trust on Twitter & haven’t seen anything

In replies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 22:22:27
Clem is an asset stripper

If the fanbase cannot see it then they don’t deserve a Football league club

He is taking us in one direction only- down.

Don’t renew ST or buy match tickets people- only way to get them out is starve them out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 22:23:32
What do we reckon on ST sales next season? Assuming we retain FL status and there’s no major change in direction of travel off the pitch in terms of investment or otherwise.

I think we are around the 5,200 mark, and I’d really struggle to see us drop below 4000…still c1,000 reduction, but not the drop off I think some expect.

At least a 2k drop
Anyone who buys one is endorsing these chancers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, January 23, 2024, 22:38:57
Tonight poxford and MKD had only 6k plus for a local derby match and promotion rival clash.
Rumors are League 1 players earn far more than League 2.
Morfuni is simply taking the piss out of STFC and anything else he can find 🙄


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:18:10
At least a 2k drop
Anyone who buys one is endorsing these chancers

I can see why you would say that, but it's harsh on fans who go to the games and spend their money for the love of the club, and in many cases have absolutely no interest in what happens off the field.

Which is why the behaviour of our owners absolutely stinks. Like those individuals that stole from people's pensions, these people are effectively starving the enjoyment of fans, who have been ploughing money in for decades, out of pure loyalty.

With that said, they can't have failed to notice we're 17th in the league with an interim manager selling off all the assets we have and replacing them with young punts or injury plagued last chancers. Whilst of course fans need to be aware of what is happening, I just feel castigation is a little harsh.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:26:01
I think crowds will reset to 7.5k +- 1k assuming we are around the playoff hunt and not threatened with relegation.

Where the season ticket sales lie I suspect we won't shed as many as 2K. But its going to have a negative effect -  which is obviously the fans fault (:)).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:30:33
I think crowds will reset to 75k +- 1k assuming we are around the playoff hunt and not threatened with relegation.

Where the season ticket sales lie I suspect we won't shed as many as 2K. But its going to have a negative effect -  which is obviously the fans fault (:)).

Where are we going to fit all those 75k Batch? In one of the swiftly redeveloped stands that the club are racing through with currently?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:31:01
I can see why you would say that, but it's harsh on fans who go to the games and spend their money for the love of the club, and in many cases have absolutely no interest in what happens off the field.

Which is why the behaviour of our owners absolutely stinks. Like those individuals that stole from people's pensions, these people are effectively starving the enjoyment of fans, who have been ploughing money in for decades, out of pure loyalty.

With that said, they can't have failed to notice we're 17th in the league with an interim manager selling off all the assets we have and replacing them with young punts or injury plagues last chancers. Whilst of course fans need to be aware of what is happening, I just feel castigation is a little harsh. 


Yep thats fair. and for some its the only reason to get out of the house/ escape from the strain of day to day life.

Personally i wont be renewing. But for anyone who still wants to go, maybe consider not spending anything above the ticket cost at the club. No merch/food etc.

Every £ not spent is a £ closer to ridding us of these chancers (with no guarantee the next lot will be any better, but we can hope).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:35:22
Devil’s advocating a bit here but do we not think if we did starve the club of money then Clem would just put more & more in adding to the amount the club owes him + interest.

Sure, he doesn’t have a bottomless pit so he can’t keep doing it but for me, every time he puts his hand on ‘his’ pocket he’s potentially making himself money in the long run.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:41:46
DIV
I would enjoy playing poker with you at the table.
Morfuni will play hardball here and the only way to beat him is to take away his options.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:44:26
The problem is that there are other ways of making money at a football club other than paying customers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:56:49
DIV
I would enjoy playing poker with you at the table.
Morfuni will play hardball here and the only way to beat him is to take away his options.


I’m not sure you would….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 09:58:06
Devil’s advocating a bit here but do we not think if we did starve the club of money then Clem would just put more & more in adding to the amount the club owes him + interest.

Sure, he doesn’t have a bottomless pit so he can’t keep doing it but for me, every time he puts his hand on ‘his’ pocket he’s potentially making himself money in the long run.

That won't work in the long run as the club will only ever be worth X amount.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:03:29
Seeing as Clem is obviously a tight-arsed Aussie twat, I honestly can’t  see him sinking £1m+ into a club he obviously has no intention of improving. I don’t reckon he’s put a penny in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:17:10
Devil’s advocating a bit here but do we not think if we did starve the club of money then Clem would just put more & more in adding to the amount the club owes him + interest.

Sure, he doesn’t have a bottomless pit so he can’t keep doing it but for me, every time he puts his hand on ‘his’ pocket he’s potentially making himself money in the long run.
His claim has always been that the loans have been interest free. Whether that's ture or not remains to be seen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:17:41
Where are we going to fit all those 75k Batch?

Unlike me, you've got a point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:19:02
That won't work in the long run as the club will only ever be worth X amount.

I assume he'd saying he'd take a % of the profit on the sales of players (not unusual for football).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:20:02
Unlike me, you've got a point.

haha, well played that man :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:27:51
His claim has always been that the loans have been interest free. Whether that's ture or not remains to be seen.

Maybe interest free whilst he’s the owner of the club. Would that still stand up if the club was sold?
Loaning your own business money interest free makes sense. It doesn’t when it’s someone else’s business.

Also, let’s say the club owe Clem 2m and he tries to sell the club but the potential new owners don’t have a spare 2m to pay Clem back - I’m sure Clem could/would  negotiate terms where he’s repaid little & often rather than a one off hit but there needs to be something in it for him, like interest (and/or a % of future transfer fees) or something linked to future earnings from a redeveloped CG.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:34:22
If a new owner needs to rely on the existing owner to leave money in the club... surely we would not want that new owner.
Any one who would make a purchase would want to get these chancers out of the business as soon as possible
Not letting them soil it further.
I think this is the big worry... who the hell would buy STFC?
Bit like sticking pins in your eyes and paying for the experience.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:43:52
If a new owner needs to rely on the existing owner to leave money in the club... surely we would not want that new owner.
Any one who would make a purchase would want to get these chancers out of the business as soon as possible
Not letting them soil it further.
I think this is the big worry... who the hell would buy STFC?
Bit like sticking pins in your eyes and paying for the experience.



I keep seeing this question and look around the lower leagues and see the clubs that have changed ownership recently. Walsall, Gillingham, Carlisle are three that immediately spring to mind. With no disrespect to those clubs but you have to think we are a better long term bet than those 3 clubs. Of course the skeletons in the closet and the financial history of the club and the current web of ownership makes a takeover probably much more difficult than other clubs. There has been interest in the club from various parties, I know absolutely no details but there have been and continues to be interest. If you take away the absolute shit within the club we are an exciting prospect, of that I have no doubt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:45:55
…and the Trust should be getting these interest parties as out in the open as they possibly can.
Fans are much more likely to be united in wanting a change of ownership if they have an alternative to hitch their wagon to, so to speak.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:50:11
Bob...
As you say there is to much baggage associated with STFC.
For example, would you bet your house on who actually owns the club currently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 10:51:05
If a new owner needs to rely on the existing owner to leave money in the club... surely we would not want that new owner.
Any one who would make a purchase would want to get these chancers out of the business as soon as possible
Not letting them soil it further.
I think this is the big worry... who the hell would buy STFC?
Bit like sticking pins in your eyes and paying for the experience.



Probably over simplifying it or talking complete bollocks but liken it to buying a house.

Most of can’t afford to buy houses outright but we still buy them. Well in essence the mortgage provider buys them and we pay them back. Why would they want to buy a house for someone who has to rely on them to keep money in?

…because ultimately paying them back little and often + interest is quite beneficial to them & for us we can spread the cost of said house over a number of years. Borrowing then paying back 200k (and interest) over 30 years is a lot easier than finding 200k upfront

Assuming our next owners aren’t Billionaires with money to burn - why would they not consider offering Clem a repayment plan rather than spending 2m on one hit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 11:11:49
…and the Trust should be getting these interest parties as out in the open as they possibly can.
Fans are much more likely to be united in wanting a change of ownership if they have an alternative to hitch their wagon to, so to speak.

Absolutely. You've mentioned this before and I 100% agree. The Trust need to get out of Morfuni's bed and realise that we are 3 years into his tenure and we've gone absolutely backwards. To be fair there was a sliding doors moment when Garner and Chorley left and you have to wonder what might have happened had both (Chorley more than Garner to be fair) not left. But they did, and what has happened since then has seen us slowly going backwards and given what we are doing with transfers that doesn't look like changing soon.

Perhaps (and maybe I have rose tinted glasses on still) the Trust are working with people and it's why they are deathly silent when it comes to answering questions. I do think now is the time that we do begin to see a different route forward. Unfortunately the Trust have lost a lot of goodwill and so maybe are reticent to get behind an alternative.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 11:26:12
Bob...
As you say there is to much baggage associated with STFC.
For example, would you bet your house on who actually owns the club currently.

I'm a 50p on an accumulator every now and then type guy so no :)

But seriously, yes the ownership seems to be quite an issue to untangle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 12:27:28

I don’t know the answer to this so asking again- if Black and Arbib did sell their debentures to Power, would the sale need to be registered with Companies House?

If not, how would they know when to mark as Satisfied?


https://gbhlaw.co.uk/2022/10/06/gbh-law-help-swindon-town-fc-settle-outstanding-debts/


Club press release states it was Andrew Blacks debenture
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/october/town-take-huge-step-towards-financial-security/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 12:37:13
I might be making this up but I think that it was mentioned in the bullshit junket last week that it was Curran that called in the debentures, not Power.  I think it might have been in Sam's interview, either that or Hawes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 12:43:19
I keep seeing this question and look around the lower leagues and see the clubs that have changed ownership recently. Walsall, Gillingham, Carlisle are three that immediately spring to mind. With no disrespect to those clubs but you have to think we are a better long term bet than those 3 clubs. Of course the skeletons in the closet and the financial history of the club and the current web of ownership makes a takeover probably much more difficult than other clubs. There has been interest in the club from various parties, I know absolutely no details but there have been and continues to be interest. If you take away the absolute shit within the club we are an exciting prospect, of that I have no doubt.

The difference in two of the three (I believe) is that Carlisle and Gills were actually put up for sale? Not sure about Walsall.

STFC are not for sale (actively apparently) and Clem will want to see a return, I don't think the people selling those two clubs got an great return?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 12:45:47
I might be making this up but I think that it was mentioned in the bullshit junket last week that it was Curran that called in the debentures, not Power.  I think it might have been in Sam's interview, either that or Hawes.

Thanks, i missed that. In any case i would of thought there should be some sort of paper trail?

https://www.theinsolvencyexperts.co.uk/blog/pros-and-cons-of-company-debentures/

You and the lender sign a debenture. This will detail the specifics of the loan, such as:

The amount
The term length
The interest amount
The fact that the loan is secured against your business’ original premises.



There has to be pre-defined terms? LP/AC/ any other wide boy cant just roll up with a shotgun one day and say pay up now or else?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 12:55:37
Thanks, i missed that. In any case i would of thought there should be some sort of paper trail?

https://www.theinsolvencyexperts.co.uk/blog/pros-and-cons-of-company-debentures/

You and the lender sign a debenture. This will detail the specifics of the loan, such as:

The amount
The term length
The interest amount
The fact that the loan is secured against your business’ original premises.



There has to be pre-defined terms? LP/AC/ any other wide boy cant just roll up with a shotgun one day and say pay up now or else?

Well according to Clemente, he had 3 days to find the money or go into liquidation, so he did what he did to benefit us fans..  You're Welcome..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 13:44:49
The difference in two of the three (I believe) is that Carlisle and Gills were actually put up for sale? Not sure about Walsall.

STFC are not for sale (actively apparently) and Clem will want to see a return, I don't think the people selling those two clubs got an great return?

To be fair I never did any research on the club sales, just picked 3 relatively unglamorous clubs that have recently changed hands.

I don't think many people would argue that if Clem was to put the club up for sale we wouldn't be an attractive prospect, on paper at least. Not 'officially' being up for sale doesn't mean that there won't be people having a look, I just find the statement 'who would actually buy STFC' a bit mystifying personally.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 13:53:56
If a new owner needs to rely on the existing owner to leave money in the club... surely we would not want that new owner.
Any one who would make a purchase would want to get these chancers out of the business as soon as possible
Not letting them soil it further.
I think this is the big worry... who the hell would buy STFC?
Bit like sticking pins in your eyes and paying for the experience.



If its the fans or a fan, we'd take it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 13:55:04
Random thought. I saw the club put out some Twitter stuff about the concerts in the summer, I wonder how ticket sales are going for this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 13:55:58
Man Utd went to the Glazers in a Leveraged Buyout, what DV is suggesting is more than possible, and nothing to be worried about provided it is well documented.  It's certainly a way a fans Trust could get a deal done for example.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 13:59:41
Perhaps (and maybe I have rose tinted glasses on still) the Trust are working with people and it's why they are deathly silent when it comes to answering questions. I do think now is the time that we do begin to see a different route forward. Unfortunately the Trust have lost a lot of goodwill and so maybe are reticent to get behind an alternative.

I was hoping this but lets be honest, the trust is a walking zombie until new board members are appointed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 14:02:23
Random thought. I saw the club put out some Twitter stuff about the concerts in the summer, I wonder how ticket sales are going for this?

I have absolutely no doubt that they're selling like shite as predicted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 14:05:22
I have absolutely no doubt that they're selling like shite as predicted.

Probably had to give Kinsella away to pay the fee for Moyles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 14:06:31
I'm wondering if Bathford thinks time is running out on the Jan transfer window as he seemed hopeful Clem would sort it out, but as predicted by most, its becoming another absolute abortion of a window.  

We're in the dystopian end game right now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Gloucester Reds on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 15:42:52
As the trust are perceived to be the mouthpiece for the club (not sure they can be talking direct to the owner because who is the owner?)…..
Ask them to ask the “owner” why Michael Doughty suddenly upped and left?
Lots of talk south of Swindon that he was asked to put money into the club but stated he only would by buying the club outright and taking over- this apparently caused ructions amongst the good honest owner/people acting as club custodians all for the good of the supporters and making us sustainable (bullshit)….
Only talk but would be interesting to find out……..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 15:45:59
As the trust are perceived to be the mouthpiece for the club (not sure they can be talking direct to the owner because who is the owner?)…..
Ask them to ask the “owner” why Michael Doughty suddenly upped and left?
Lots of talk south of Swindon that he was asked to put money into the club but stated he only would by buying the club outright and taking over- this apparently caused ructions amongst the good honest owner/people acting as club custodians all for the good of the supporters and making us sustainable (bullshit)….
Only talk but would be interesting to find out……..

No offence to you, but this is kind of the problem with everything STFC at the moment. So many people are sharing anything they hear, or making all sorts of crap up at every possible turn. Anything anti the current ownership and 90% of people will believe it because it fits with their view of whats going on.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 15:54:05
Nothing about Doughty's post Swindon life suggests even a hint at a person wanting to get involved in running a football club.  I can see him having retained an affection for  the club and getting involved when he did because it also seemed to have a link to his product.  I imagine it didn't take long for him to work out he was wasting his time (he had run out of bike racks unfortunately) and run a mile.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Gloucester Reds on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 16:03:52
I did state it was “only talk” and I agree there are more rumours and sub plots than you can shake a shitty stick at…
However, forget the “he saved our club” claptrap- what is there at the moment that gives even the slightest hint of positivity coming out of (a) the club (b) Morfuni himself that people believe?
To be a liar you need to be a good liar and Morfuni continually trips over himself with his lies.
I forgot, it was an error on my part, it was a genuine mistake- bollocks…….
16 more non renewals down here next season (some of us coming up to nearly 50 seasons)…. Away trips only until the criminal element are gone entirely.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 16:19:57
I find it hard to believe Doughty would have been interested in buying us.

Would love him to, but can't see it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 17:18:29
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68086112

Newport have new owners also.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 17:36:22
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68086112

Newport have new owners also.
Those figures certainly don’t add up when compared to ours.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 17:40:43
If only we had a decent local Rugby team to increase revenue!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:03:50
To be fair I never did any research on the club sales, just picked 3 relatively unglamorous clubs that have recently changed hands.

I don't think many people would argue that if Clem was to put the club up for sale we wouldn't be an attractive prospect, on paper at least. Not 'officially' being up for sale doesn't mean that there won't be people having a look, I just find the statement 'who would actually buy STFC' a bit mystifying personally.

I would always qualify the who is interested with, who is interested at the price Clem will want.

I'm sure if the club was for sale on the cheap (some one needs to sell), then people would be interested.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:17:21
I presume Clem can only sell his 78% share of the club. If the 2 gals want to hang on to their shares they can.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:26:59
There is an unanswered question as to whether Holly Kiely and Mrs Parladorio (and obviously, not their respective husbands, honest) have pre emption rights that mean that Morfuni has to offer shares to them before he can sell to anyone else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:29:01
Which I'm sure they do judging on how Clem totally dodged the question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:32:57
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
I presume Clem can only sell his 78% share of the club. If the 2 gals want to hang on to their shares they can.

they can, but what's the point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:37:25
Well, they must be getting something for their money now. Maybe they would want to continue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 18:43:29
It wouldn't if fans had at least 51%


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindontown2024 on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 19:20:31
hi all this is my first post and I am an older fan so please be gentle with me.. I waned to talk about the fact there has been a great deal of talk over the supporters trust and there ability to represent fans recently. I was discussing this with a mate at he weekend and was tempted to apply for a board position in the agm next month myself. I have financial experience and thought i could help them, but after hearing about the current situation at the trust i have decided i don't want to be part of it. My mate said that one of the current board who was secretary (neil hutchinson) quit the role last month and really threw the trust into complete disaray he was the guy responsible apparently for pushing the car crash of the financial review, but he resigned as secretary just before christmas to avoid having to arrange and run the agm for the trust and left the rest of them to pick up the pieces but remains on the board letting everyone else pick up the role he should be doing. My mate says he has been telling everyone that he will be the new trust chairman come the agm. How can someone have the arrogance and behaves in that way have the belief he can actually be the chairman. In my view if this is a representation of how things are with the trust then i dont want to be part of it, my mate also thought he might stand for the board as he has experience of digital media but given the situation with them at the moment and what he described he also felt he didnt want to be associated with that too.  I actually thought i could help them but i dont want to be involved if characters like the ex secretary are the sort of people i would be working with. Has anyone here applied and do they think i should change my mind and apply or have i done the right thing. Welcome opinions.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 19:28:38
I don't know the individual you speak of but I guess one thing is there is a lot of change potentially happening at the Trust

If you can't commit for the reasons you state, maybe take another look next year. Alternatively hopefully someone here has a better insight and can either reassure you or confirm your fears!

Welcome to the TEF


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 19:33:19
First and foremost, if you are a passionate fan, realise the need for radical change at the Trust then throw your hat in. I don’t think anyone really has to have a ‘skill’ to offer.

I’ve been a fan for 50+ years - do I know how to run a football club - no, of course not. BUT, after supporting the club over the years I sure as hell know how NOT to run a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 20:18:48
Here’s how to inform your fans on the financial state of your club. Lincoln City’s latest accounts - numbers very similar to ours re attendance and turnover.

https://www.weareimps.com/siteassets/club/2024-policies/lcfc.accounts.website.2023-compressed.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 20:26:02
Agent fees, hadn't thought of that as a reason our admin costs have shot up.

Though I think these are declared aren't they? So maybe not.

Interesting they are losing 2M a year. Obviously diluting the shares paid for it there


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 20:28:50
Agent fees, hadn't thought of that as a reason our admin costs have shot up.

Though I think these are declared aren't they? So maybe not.

Interesting they are losing 2M a year. Obviously diluting the shares paid for it there

At least we save money on the act of paying our players agents, Clem just has to walk down the corridor to the on-site agents office..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hoboken on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 20:33:42
hi all this is my first post and I am an older fan so please be gentle with me.. I waned to talk about the fact there has been a great deal of talk over the supporters trust and there ability to represent fans recently. I was discussing this with a mate at he weekend and was tempted to apply for a board position in the agm next month myself. I have financial experience and thought i could help them, but after hearing about the current situation at the trust i have decided i don't want to be part of it. My mate said that one of the current board who was secretary (neil hutchinson) quit the role last month and really threw the trust into complete disaray he was the guy responsible apparently for pushing the car crash of the financial review, but he resigned as secretary just before christmas to avoid having to arrange and run the agm for the trust and left the rest of them to pick up the pieces but remains on the board letting everyone else pick up the role he should be doing. My mate says he has been telling everyone that he will be the new trust chairman come the agm. How can someone have the arrogance and behaves in that way have the belief he can actually be the chairman. In my view if this is a representation of how things are with the trust then i dont want to be part of it, my mate also thought he might stand for the board as he has experience of digital media but given the situation with them at the moment and what he described he also felt he didnt want to be associated with that too.  I actually thought i could help them but i dont want to be involved if characters like the ex secretary are the sort of people i would be working with. Has anyone here applied and do they think i should change my mind and apply or have i done the right thing. Welcome opinions.

If you want things to change, BE the change.

There is no point in standing on the sidelines and moaning about how it could be done much better.

So yes, apply for a position!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 21:19:01
Here’s how to inform your fans on the financial state of your club. Lincoln City’s latest accounts - numbers very similar to ours re attendance and turnover.

https://www.weareimps.com/siteassets/club/2024-policies/lcfc.accounts.website.2023-compressed.pdf

I am sure that Anthony Hall is going to blow these out of the water.

They are trading at a loss, because they have someone willing to invest Capital every year.  Their total expenses are a smidge over what we claim, but they are supporting a wage bill of at least a couple of million over ours, given the level (and shown to be around 6m in their accounts).

It continues to beg the question what on earth we are spending 8.3m on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 21:22:26
Cocaine for Adam and handbags for our Hollie


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 21:58:46
Why doesn’t Aberdeen talk about what he knows. Loyal supporter, ex trust member, helped instigate power’s demise. Why has he gone so quiet since leaving the club??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 21:59:32
Maybe he likes his kneecaps


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 22:14:03
Why doesn’t Aberdeen talk about what he knows. Loyal supporter, ex trust member, helped instigate power’s demise. Why has he gone so quiet since leaving the club??

Prob signed an NDA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 22:22:42
Prob signed an NDA

Yeah but if you love the club so much….? More interested in the money? If there is criminality he should report it. He must talk to people who talk to people though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: cheltred69 on Wednesday, January 24, 2024, 22:38:48
Here’s how to inform your fans on the financial state of your club. Lincoln City’s latest accounts - numbers very similar to ours re attendance and turnover.

https://www.weareimps.com/siteassets/club/2024-policies/lcfc.accounts.website.2023-compressed.pdf

Enlightening to see something as open and transparent as this. If only!!

This does though highlight that even an apparently well run club can’t survive without significant levels of money being poured in every year. A mid-table league 1 budget with decent gates and they’re losing up to £3m pa.
Given that we currently have similar income and we know there’s no appetite or ability for the owner to fund ongoing deficits we will obviously not be able to afford a wage bill anything like Lincoln have even if we were run effectively.
But surely not every club positioned between Lincoln and us will be making losses on this scale and most will have lower income  so there must be a big black hole somewhere. I’d love to see more examples of accounts to better judge how other clubs are getting by in a more successful way than we are.
Why he is hanging on with ownership that on the surface is only going to haemorrhage money he apparently doesn’t have raises massive red flags.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 02:23:50
These tweets make interesting reading:
https://twitter.com/bcks109/status/1750269942736339206
So much for due diligence… thanks trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 02:35:04
https://twitter.com/LowerLeagueLook/status/1750302763706118199


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 03:06:36
Suggest many people have tried suggesting and sharing these thoughts for a long time now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 06:18:33
These tweets make interesting reading:
https://twitter.com/bcks109/status/1750269942736339206
So much for due diligence… thanks trust

How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 06:51:36
Well, the pattern is similar to what is happening here. Makes it more difficult to believe he has personally pumped £1m+ into the club lately - if there has been money put in, where is it from? The age old question when it comes to our club’s finances.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 07:01:35
How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?

My first thought also.
He said he’s done his due diligence & it’s all there in the public domain yet has sited none of his sources.

Just because of where we are as a fanbase - we’ll instantly believe anything negative about the club or owner(s)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 07:12:19
How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?

Fair point but It’s part of the picture. I wish someone would get to the bottom of what is actually going on. If Clem is legit I’d like to know that too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 07:18:38
Some of his businesses failing are a matter of public record.

I'm not convinced Able would have been the saviours he thinks. And just because there were recognised names associated doesn't mean it wasn't a front. But that's academic now.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 07:54:15
How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?

The fact he’s claimed it’s all public domain makes it easy to debunk if he’s full of hot air. I expect somebody will try to prove him wrong through the course of the day and if they fail to, that should give some credence to what he is saying.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 08:23:16


This is what the (mis)trust said in 2021-


Our opinion from all facts available is that this was perfectly legal and is a common standard business restructuring practice with the majority of creditors (nearly 90% of monies), being owed to other members of the Axis Group (Australian arm). As stated, this is standard business practise and occurs hundreds of times each week when a company needs to restructure itself. Based on this due diligence we feel there is no issue requiring any cause for concern.


https://truststfc.com/2021/03/19/axis-group-due-diligence-by-truststfc/




Translation- its immoral but not illegal.



Looking back, the red flags for the cosy nature of the CM/Trust relationship were blatant. This one always makes me laugh-

https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1514535853665792005


'Critical' friend  :D



He basically duped them and was a nice guy to get what he wanted- the CG. Now he doesn't need them for anything further they get the cold shoulder.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 08:33:58

This is what the (mis)trust said in 2021-


Our opinion from all facts available is that this was perfectly legal and is a common standard business restructuring practice with the majority of creditors (nearly 90% of monies), being owed to other members of the Axis Group (Australian arm). As stated, this is standard business practise and occurs hundreds of times each week when a company needs to restructure itself. Based on this due diligence we feel there is no issue requiring any cause for concern.


https://truststfc.com/2021/03/19/axis-group-due-diligence-by-truststfc/




Translation- its immoral but not illegal.



Looking back, the red flags for the cosy nature of the CM/Trust relationship were blatant. This one always makes me laugh-

https://twitter.com/TrustSTFC/status/1514535853665792005


'Critical' friend  :D



He basically duped them and was a nice guy to get what he wanted- the CG. Now he doesn't need them for anything further they get the cold shoulder.

This part is my main problem, in hindsight the red flags have always been there including over the Trusts relationship with Morfuni. To describe liquidating whilst owing non Axis creditors over £1m and describing this as normal business practice and basically saying everything is fine at best shows bias or at worst is deliberately misleading.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: SwindonCoops on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 09:24:11
How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?

I've known him for a long time. Definitely a life long STFC fan. He has been talking about the shady dealings ever since Clem came in. Whether that is a personal vendetta or based on evidence remains to be seen, but many of the points he made at the time of Clems takeover have been correct. I didn't want any of them to be correct as they were all doom and gloom, but he's definitely been closer to the mark than my blind optimism over the last couple of years!

Of course, I acknowledge the irony of me trying to vouch for authenticity given that I've only made a handful of posts myself....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 09:26:55
Maybe he likes his kneecaps
Absolutely this(well not the knee caps as such) and i have said for a while i think this is what Clem found out once he took over. Not defending him at all but i do honestly believe that the intentions were the right ones in the begining and he has got in far too deep with the wrong people. We are the ones now paying the price


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 09:40:36
How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?

Yet we were asked to believe the Trust when they say they did extensive due dilligence.  There is very little evidence of that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 09:48:58
I've known him for a long time. Definitely a life long STFC fan. He has been talking about the shady dealings ever since Clem came in. Whether that is a personal vendetta or based on evidence remains to be seen, but many of the points he made at the time of Clems takeover have been correct. I didn't want any of them to be correct as they were all doom and gloom, but he's definitely been closer to the mark than my blind optimism over the last couple of years!

Of course, I acknowledge the irony of me trying to vouch for authenticity given that I've only made a handful of posts myself....
I think it’s a case of he’s right about a lot but also going down rabbit holes which probably undermine the credibility of what he is saying.

That said it has all identified a common pattern in the way Morfuni operates and has again flagged up the shady liquidation of the U.K. subsidiary.

It has also further highlighted how complicit the Trust are in this, rightly or wrongly most would have only read their summary conclusions in the due diligence where they basically say nothing to see here. They will have missed £1.2m of creditors have been ripped off including HMRC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:00:43
Things don't look good and sorry to say the future looks bleak.
Construction industry in Australia and New Zealand is stressed and Axis is simply a basic sub contractor to this industry sector.
With Axis NSW being placed into liquidation in May 2023 the future is obviously not looking bright.
Would not think Morfuni millions supposedly proping up STFC coming from these businesses.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:22:15
How much trust do we put in this blokes 'research'. It may or may not be true, but just randomly believing some bloke on twitters 'research' is risky in my opinion. Its very easy for these things to play into preconceived notions of what's happening.

Anyone know the bloke and can vouch for his authenticity?

The stuff on Clem and Axis seems legit, although there are always reasons for such things happening and 2+2 may equal 5. I'd be inclined to believe his thread on that is accurate.

The Able stuff is nonsense though and had no real substance. Able are even shadier than whatever he have now, and the people he claimed were involved didn't seem to have any actual involvement. I think Able was a Power rouse, if I'm honest.

Aside from that, the way this guy continually pats himself on the back for doing "due dilligence" kinda irritates me... no idea why... but he loves using that phrase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:27:03
The stuff on Clem and Axis seems legit, although there are always reasons for such things happening and 2+2 may equal 5. I'd be inclined to believe his thread on that is accurate.

The Able stuff is nonsense though and had no real substance. Able are even shadier than whatever he have now, and the people he claimed were involved didn't seem to have any actual involvement. I think Able was a Power rouse, if I'm honest.

Aside from that, the way this guy continually pats himself on the back for doing "due dilligence" kinda irritates me... no idea why... but he loves using that phrase.

All of the information he is presenting is well known and nothing new?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:28:24
All of the information he is presenting is well known and nothing new?

I guess it might be new to some. Who can tell. Its all in the public domain if that's what you mean.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:35:18
All of the information he is presenting is well known and nothing new?

Clearly not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:42:47
All of the information he is presenting is well known and nothing new?
It may not be new but people are looking at it in a different light now that they know the Trust’s conclusions shouldn’t be considered in the slightest bit reliable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:47:46
Clearly has too much time on his hands


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:54:40
Clearly has too much time on his hands

We need as many people as possible with too much time on their hands to do similar, ideally somebody with a platform and in a position where the findings would be taken note of and believed, the Trust are obviously not going to take any action or ruffle any feathers.  I am hoping that Mr Morsehead is up for another run at it, but understand the timing and circumstances might not be ideal. There is definitely a story there if somebody has the means to dig in and is brave enough to shine a light.

I fear that if nobody does then we are approaching the closing stages of the 1st half of the end game, the 2nd half is going to be huge depending on how it goes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 10:54:46
I guess it might be new to some. Who can tell. Its all in the public domain if that's what you mean.

I mean it's been widely reported, to say he was originally 'sitting on this until the 2nd Feb' is a stretch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 13:52:59
These are weird times.

I know Jason Lane - I sent to school with him.  Guess what, fun fact people - he was in the school team and good friends with Andy Minturn, our lads Dad.  In this same team was a certain Wayne Hatswell.  Another fun fact - another of their friends and team mates was/is the Head of Youth Development at Chelsea and has been for years (at least involved in that set-up), Jimmy Fraser (not suggesting anything by the way, he is a good bloke I am advised).

Anyway, the Liquidation Jason was referencing is the Australian one from last year I believe.  The one where Clem offloaded the business to someone internal just before it needed to file for liquidation, going on to claim it was nothing to do with him, after first having a spokesperson suggest just restructuring.  Similar to the UK one, although he still owned that one at the time of liquidation and owing 1m to creditors - the interesting part of that one was the scale of the money "owed" to the Australian company.  I reckon he has some decent lawyers who know how to avoid stuff, which is why the bleeting about EFL advice never rang true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:03:48
I’m fairly certain 80% of what Jason posted yesterdat was already stuff put out by the adver in the summer

I’m fairly certain he’ll have had to pay for that information, because the Australian companies house isn’t free like ours.

And his able takes in the summer were laughable


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:25:39
Clem seems a lot like Power in the sense that he's been involved with a lot of failed companies that end up in the shit but they come out smelling of roses.

And we're the mutual company of them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Tails on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:35:32
Clem seems a lot like Power in the sense that he's been involved with a lot of failed companies that end up in the shit but they come out smelling of roses.

And we're the mutual company of them.

And appears to have really sketchy "friends".


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:39:22
I think that Power had a much worse record when it came to failed business ventures.

Someone would need to pay up to see how the main Axis business is doing in Australia while unravelling the structure at the same time.

I suspect that Clem is sitting on a personal bigger pile than Power ever was, but as we know Power was adept at "investing" other people's money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:43:30
I think that Power had a much worse record when it came to failed business ventures.

Someone would need to pay up to see how the main Axis business is doing in Australia while unravelling the structure at the same time.

I suspect that Clem is sitting on a personal bigger pile than Power ever was, but as we know Power was adept at "investing" other people's money.

The fact that Clem let slip his businesses are under pressure (he mentioned his Australian business needed time and effort due to the strain of Covid on the business and the general economy, which for a BS expert is code for in trouble I think), means he may well not have much of his own money.  His business can supply cash, but he may be in a position of needing to determine if that goes to STFC or pays his plumbing creditors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:44:50
If we were to be generous to Clem, the world has been a bit of a mess the last 5 years and a lot of businesses will have been hit by the pandemic, general economy down turns etc. Its possible he and his business was in a better state when he was trying to acquire the club, and that the last 3 years have been more challenging. Clem doesn't have the individual wealth remember, he uses his business to fun the club.

It may or may not be true, but it sounds kinda reasonable to me.

It doesn't explain a lot of how the club is being run, but possible gives a sense of why some Axis companies have had issues.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:47:27
I think that Power had a much worse record when it came to failed business ventures.

Someone would need to pay up to see how the main Axis business is doing in Australia while unravelling the structure at the same time.

I suspect that Clem is sitting on a personal bigger pile than Power ever was, but as we know Power was adept at "investing" other people's money.
17 bankruptcies before he took control. Never lost a penny.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:51:45
If we were to be generous to Clem, the world has been a bit of a mess the last 5 years and a lot of businesses will have been hit by the pandemic, general economy down turns etc. Its possible he and his business was in a better state when he was trying to acquire the club, and that the last 3 years have been more challenging. Clem doesn't have the individual wealth remember, he uses his business to fun the club.

It may or may not be true, but it sounds kinda reasonable to me.

It doesn't explain a lot of how the club is being run, but possible gives a sense of why some Axis companies have had issues.

I agree.

The evidence we have suggests a business that was trying to stretch itself out across the globe and become a bigger player.  The actual organisation in the UK never seemed to be that big - he owed most money to his own business, suggesting it never really took off beyond the literal getting off the ground and a few contracts (Wembley shopping area and Spurs bogs I think).

No doubt, as the liquidation events are showing, the business is feeling the pinch and contracting.

None of that has a huge impact on STFC - he should still be able to run a club on 7m-8m in revenue at this level, but it certainly takes away his gaze and limits him to the "sustainability" approach.  The way he runs STFC suggests someone used to doing back street deals, not a big business player.  On the one hand, that doesn't tally with the fact he did grow Axis, but that could be my lack of knowledge of the industry (maybe his sort of people get business done without the usual smarts I am used to) or he could have had decent consultants helping him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 15:55:43
17 bankruptcies before he took control. Never lost a penny.

And some less than stellar football club dabbles before us.

It was clear he was a gambler, the horse racing is obviously a part of that.  He thought he could use his footballers insider knowledge and contacts to wheel and deal with other peoples money and make a tidy profit.  The risk with gambling is it doesn't always pay off, and you keep craving the next big hit.  I really wonder what would have happened without Covid - would he have managed to recycle his Halcyon period of Ajose, Luongo, Gladwin etc. or would he have ended up digging a bigger and bigger grave like the Chelsea deal (and kids we got), sort of like Clem is doing now?

Trouble is, we were stuck in the middle, and the people funding the bets ran out of patience, and probably money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 16:01:50
Got to give him his due. He was a canny fucker. Used other people’s money to run the club.

That Abramovich ‘deal’ was eyebrow raising in the extreme. Wonder what else may be in the woodwork - still.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 16:05:43
And some less than stellar football club dabbles before us.

It was clear he was a gambler, the horse racing is obviously a part of that.  He thought he could use his footballers insider knowledge and contacts to wheel and deal with other peoples money and make a tidy profit.  The risk with gambling is it doesn't always pay off, and you keep craving the next big hit.  I really wonder what would have happened without Covid - would he have managed to recycle his Halcyon period of Ajose, Luongo, Gladwin etc. or would he have ended up digging a bigger and bigger grave like the Chelsea deal (and kids we got), sort of like Clem is doing now?

Trouble is, we were stuck in the middle, and the people funding the bets ran out of patience, and probably money.

Like all gamblers, there was a point where he could have comfortably cashed out, made a small profit, and gone again - Waterford or wherever. But the magpie eyes and the greed meant he ran out of road. Think that could be where we are now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Family at War on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 16:35:38
How many are of the same opinion as me? We are bouncing from chancer to chancer and won't see any ground improvements in my lifetime!

70 now and been waiting 30 years! Might as well get money due to each person and let them do some good with it. Nearly everybody in this club is in it for their own gain.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 17:05:56
One question still remains unanswered which i dont clearly understand ..
When is the Standing / Power court case and presumably its a civil action and can someone give a brief overview of what this about and how it now effects STFC ?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 18:22:17
In the event that the fans forum is not made available online, which I would be quite pissed about. Is there anyone on ghe forum that has tickets for it and can fill us all in. Really hope it kicks off and people don't accept bullshit answers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 18:26:45
Trouble with it not being recorded (if it’s not) is how easily answers can get twisted through relayed information. Especially at the minute where there’s so much rumoured to be going on that anyone can start something online and it will gain traction.

If the club wanted to minimise any potential further PR damage then recording/streaming it is a good idea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 18:28:15

Aside from that, the way this guy continually pats himself on the back for doing "due diligence" kinda irritates me... no idea why... but he loves using that phrase.


It's probably a slight smugness and dig at the Trust {or anyone else} that claimed to have  '...extensive due diligence'. Think he is driving home the fact that a ''johnny nobody'' like him has managed to do more due diligence {sorry} than entities that were tasked with doing that task professionally.

Yeah it's grating but I get why he has repeated it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 18:30:33

I mean it's been widely reported, to say he was originally 'sitting on this until the 2nd Feb' is a stretch.


Come on, just admit it. You're Spencer aren't you? And no no Diana reincarnated. Same IP address...interesting  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 19:14:27
It's probably a slight smugness and dig at the Trust {or anyone else} that claimed to have  '...extensive due diligence'. Think he is driving home the fact that a ''johnny nobody'' like him has managed to do more due diligence {sorry} than entities that were tasked with doing that task professionally.

Yeah it's grating but I get why he has repeated it

Me too.

Because it seems like the trusts due diligence was about as good as a lot of his facebook fan boys in that he poured them a pint and looked them in the eye and smiled at them and they felt that everything was grand. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 19:14:46
Come on, just admit it. You're Spencer aren't you? And no no Diana reincarnated. Same IP address...interesting  :hmmm:

What are you on about?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 19:17:42
What are you on about?

Is it his new protest song?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 20:15:22
In the event that the fans forum is not made available online, which I would be quite pissed about. Is there anyone on ghe forum that has tickets for it and can fill us all in. Really hope it kicks off and people don't accept bullshit answers

Imagine they will have a few heavies close by!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 20:32:49

What are you on about?


Sarcasm and satire has struggled to have been understood on this forum for a while.

Ok James, forget it  ;)


Is it his new protest song?



Hey| Well it's better than yours DrinkableBen. Although I do like you - in a non Remeo way   :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 20:37:40

Me too.

Because it seems like the trusts due diligence was about as good as a lot of his facebook fan boys in that he poured them a pint and looked them in the eye and smiled at them and they felt that everything was grand. 


Aye. I'll raise a bottle of Vic Beer to that ya bastard  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 20:54:03
Sarcasm and satire has struggled to have been understood on this forum for a while.

Ok James, forget it  ;)
 

Hey| Well it's better than yours DrinkableBen. Although I do like you - in a non Remeo way   :girlgiggle:

I'm not Spencer


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 20:54:46
Hmmmmmmm

Betty


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 21:00:51
Imagine they will have a few heavies close by!

I don't mean physically. Verbals and heckles to repetitive lies


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 21:03:23

Hmmmmmmm

Betty


Cats done a whoopsie on the carpet?  :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 21:04:15
I don't mean physically. Verbals and heckles to repetitive lies

I meant the heavies would be there to control any rowdiness not for anything physical.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 21:24:58
I meant the heavies would be there to control any rowdiness not for anything physical.

Surely, surely they wouldn't step in and control the crowd in that respect. That really would be the end of everything full stop


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 21:34:46
Surely, surely they wouldn't step in and control the crowd in that respect. That really would be the end of everything full stop

You would hope it wouldn’t ever come to that but who knows what surprises Clem has got left which may cause more than a little unrest within our passionate fanbase!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Thursday, January 25, 2024, 23:29:16
hi all this is my first post and I am an older fan so please be gentle with me.. I waned to talk about the fact there has been a great deal of talk over the supporters trust and there ability to represent fans recently. I was discussing this with a mate at he weekend and was tempted to apply for a board position in the agm next month myself. I have financial experience and thought i could help them, but after hearing about the current situation at the trust i have decided i don't want to be part of it. My mate said that one of the current board who was secretary (neil hutchinson) quit the role last month and really threw the trust into complete disaray he was the guy responsible apparently for pushing the car crash of the financial review, but he resigned as secretary just before christmas to avoid having to arrange and run the agm for the trust and left the rest of them to pick up the pieces but remains on the board letting everyone else pick up the role he should be doing. My mate says he has been telling everyone that he will be the new trust chairman come the agm. How can someone have the arrogance and behaves in that way have the belief he can actually be the chairman. In my view if this is a representation of how things are with the trust then i dont want to be part of it, my mate also thought he might stand for the board as he has experience of digital media but given the situation with them at the moment and what he described he also felt he didnt want to be associated with that too.  I actually thought i could help them but i dont want to be involved if characters like the ex secretary are the sort of people i would be working with. Has anyone here applied and do they think i should change my mind and apply or have i done the right thing. Welcome opinions.

Would love to know who your mate was.  :girlgiggle:

Writing negatively about people or facts you don’t know for yourself, and making decisions based on such might make yourself look silly..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 26, 2024, 00:24:47
Would love to know who your mate was.  :girlgiggle:

Writing negatively about people or facts you don’t know for yourself, and making decisions based on such might make yourself look silly..
No idea if any of it is true or not but what it does suggest is that there is a fair bit of mud slinging going on between Trust board members. It’s been obvious for a while there’s been a massive divide within the board that has been and is a massive problem.

You, yourself went on a Twitter liking rampage of anyone that was critical of the Trust which kind of confirmed it isn’t exactly a harmonious group.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 09:33:07
I don't think anyone think it's a harmonious group!

I think (from the outside!) there's a "ruling faction" if you will represented by the Chair and vice Chairs, all of whom are standing down, who are the closest to Clem (and the longest serving on the Trust, the two things not being unrelated!) and then the rest of the board are either a bit more sceptical of Clem or just "go with the flow" types.

Will hopefully be clear from the statements accompanying re-election campaigns where individuals sit within that, so members at least know what they're voting for. Obviously with the Chair, Treasurer and both Vice-Chairs standing down at once, that's a big hit to the "continuity" faction, but I imagine they won't want the Trust to lurch the other way entirely and will have some succession planning in place.

The challenge for the "Change" faction, for want of a better name, is that many of the members who would vote for them have ragequit the Trust over the last few months.

That's my 2p of Trust Laura Kuenssberging.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 09:35:16
Just listened to the Lower League Look from last night and they said they have been informed that no questions re debt and the trust will be permitted at the fans forum.

If true, then what is the bloody point??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 26, 2024, 09:56:17
Just listened to the Lower League Look from last night and they said they have been informed that no questions re debt and the trust will be permitted at the fans forum.

If true, then what is the bloody point??

That's ludicrous, IF that is true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 26, 2024, 10:10:46
Just listened to the Lower League Look from last night and they said they have been informed that no questions re debt and the trust will be permitted at the fans forum.

If true, then what is the bloody point??

I'm curious to know where they are getting this information from.

I see Andrew Hawes is going to do some digging to find out of this is the case.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 26, 2024, 10:12:37
They definitely have contacts at or around the club, as annoying as they are, they've got more than a few things right at this point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 26, 2024, 10:14:22
They definitely have contacts at or around the club, as annoying as they are, they've got more than a few things right at this point.

Yeah I'm 99% sure they do as well. The 'i know something you don't know' is irritating, but I do believe they know a lot of what is going on at the club, whether fans like that or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 26, 2024, 10:15:32
Just listened to the Lower League Look from last night and they said they have been informed that no questions re debt and the trust will be permitted at the fans forum.

If true, then what is the bloody point??
Can’t help themselves can they. So they don’t think this won’t raise a few red flags? Are any questions allowed that haven’t been pre screened? Just cos they don’t want to answer them doesn’t stop them being asked.

Need someone to just bellow out the concerns before getting ‘Adam Hart-ed’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 26, 2024, 10:35:50
Are any questions allowed that haven’t been pre screened? Just cos they don’t want to answer them doesn’t stop them being asked.


It was originally stated that there would be questions from the floor.

I still believe that either it will be postponed (at the last minute) for unexpected reasons or if it does go ahead they will say that there isn't time for any questions as they are running behind schedule & it's important that we give over enough time to discuss the women's team.

I'm curious to know where they are getting this information from.

I see Andrew Hawes is going to do some digging to find out of this is the case.

I'm sure they will tell Andrew Hawes that there will be no censoring of the questions, whilst they bin any questions they don't like.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 10:46:37
Wonder if the floor questions will be written down on the night and asked by the MC to stop people writing one thing and asking another?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 26, 2024, 11:10:13
It was originally stated that there would be questions from the floor.

I still believe that either it will be postponed (at the last minute) for unexpected reasons or if it does go ahead they will say that there isn't time for any questions as they are running behind schedule & it's important that we give over enough time to discuss the women's team.

I'm sure they will tell Andrew Hawes that there will be no censoring of the questions, whilst they bin any questions they don't like.

Oh absolutely, I'm totally not expecting it to be like an Ian Hislop level of grilling, but I would hope there may be some amount of push back on things that come out.

They probably also cross referenced the names of people who had applied against who spoke positively for Clem via the Facebook group.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 26, 2024, 11:53:15
They probably also cross referenced the names of people who had applied against who spoke positively for Clem via the Facebook group.

That's very cynical Bob.

Or is it. We await Andrew's response.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 26, 2024, 12:08:09
That's very cynical Bob.

Or is it. We await Andrew's response.

To be clear Batch, that was very much tongue in cheek and not remotely serious! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, January 26, 2024, 12:37:28
I fully expect there wont be much time for questions from the floor as the amount of staff they have there they will want to give them all time to say their bit, while it is interesting to hear from the women's coach and youth team etc I think this particular fans forum is not the time - Clem may not even turn up or have to leave due to trying to broker a transfer deal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, January 26, 2024, 12:42:49
I fully expect it to be a diluted farce, but by attending I can at least I can say I tried asking in person when the Morfuni fan club rock up and say we are just keyboard warriors blah blah blah.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, January 26, 2024, 12:51:42
I fully expect it to be a diluted farce, but by attending I can at least I can say I tried asking in person when the Morfuni fan club rock up and say we are just keyboard warriors blah blah blah.

100% this. Still some fucking wronguns that think he's a great guy, he's innocent and he's the best man for the job. And they will be front row come next Tuesday. Just caught up on that Swindon2024 account, who's made a TEF account, and a twitter account, to say the exact same thing. It's Someone from the trust. Wonder who? Hahahaha, we all know who. another one of Clems mouthpieces from the very start.

ST holder but stopped going a long time ago.... Looking forward to the fans forum - who else is going? Still time for Morfuni to swerve it. Screened questions no doubt, thats why the deadline was yesterday. Surely have time for a few on the night...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:13:48
To be clear Batch, that was very much tongue in cheek and not remotely serious! :)

That's what they want you to think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, January 26, 2024, 13:46:53
It's Someone from the trust. Wonder who? Hahahaha, we all know who

Don't leave me in suSPENCE


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:20:20
Just listened to the Lower League Look from last night and they said they have been informed that no questions re debt and the trust will be permitted at the fans forum.

If true, then what is the bloody point??

James Spencer on facebook saying its not true


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jericho on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:32:34
James Spencer on facebook saying its not true

Oh good, couldn't think of a more reassuring person to hear that from...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:44:21
James Spencer on facebook saying its not true

That’s like Joey Barton telling you he likes female pundits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:46:40
How would he know anyaway? The Trust arent any part of the forum?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, January 26, 2024, 16:56:04
It was confirmed by Andrew Hawes as not true


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 26, 2024, 17:01:42
It makes no sense to not entertain such questions especially as they will be briefed within an each of their lives.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 26, 2024, 17:01:48
It was confirmed by Andrew Hawes as not true

The problem is if the club (Clem) told you that the sky was up you wouldn’t know whether to believe them or not


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 26, 2024, 17:04:34
If you recall the issue with the shares came out a day or so before the last fans evening.
The OSC (who were hosting) were told that the club would not be answering any questions related to that on the evening


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, January 26, 2024, 18:18:22

That’s like Joey Barton telling you he likes female pundits.


Or Barton saying he's donating all his annual salary to WomensAid


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, January 26, 2024, 18:39:11
Heard rumblings James Phipps is applying to be on the Trust Board


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, January 26, 2024, 22:37:26
Heard rumblings James Phipps is applying to be on the Trust Board
Is that good?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 08:03:13
I think it is


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 11:54:02
Cant say I have ever heard of him TBH.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 11:59:55
Cant say I have ever heard of him TBH.

He owned Excalibur which were a sponsor before i thinn


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 12:06:16
He did, they were.

Think you need people like him to find an alternative to this shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 12:12:02
He owned Excalibur which were a sponsor before i thinn
Cheers mate, not a name I knew of at all, but then I have no idea who is even on the Trust now I have distanced myself from them for several years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 13:29:17
I honestly cannot believe how frequently I have read 'if you don't like it, stick your hand in your pocket and buy the club'
How seriously thick some people can be. How do they get through life ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 14:13:18
I honestly cannot believe how frequently I have read 'if you don't like it, stick your hand in your pocket and buy the club'
How seriously thick some people can be. How do they get through life ?

And they get to vote and have children.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 14:27:48
Just talking to a chap I know and he said to me “apparently they are looking at doing banners and stuff today, it’s ridiculous. Clem is doing a the best he can” seriously what is wrong with people!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 15:01:08
I honestly cannot believe how frequently I have read 'if you don't like it, stick your hand in your pocket and buy the club'
How seriously thick some people can be. How do they get through life ?

It's up there with the cunts on facebook that ask you for proof of things and then you provide it and they go missing only to reappear on another post talking shit again.

Painfully stupid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 16:16:00
When you point out that winning games doesn't change off the pitch because on and off the pitch are different t matters and the Clem fan club tell you that you're gutted we're winning and go right ahead and prove your point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 12:32:28
He owned Excalibur which were a sponsor before i think

Pretty sure he was part of the Trust board previously when Clem came in


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:10:34
pretty sure he was the the recipient of the first vaccine against smallpox


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:29:54
When you point out that winning games doesn't change off the pitch because on and off the pitch are different t matters and the Clem fan club tell you that you're gutted we're winning and go right ahead and prove your point.

No it doesn’t, but it does make it less likely that the silent majority get onboard with any protest.

The more I think about it the more I think attacking Clem is the wrong way to go, he’s an Aussie & will probably just dig his heels in in that was to happen.

I think it might be better to persuade him that if he doesn’t have the finances to continually fund the club that maybe he’d be better off to publicly say he’s looking for a buyer that can. I think that maybe even those that don’t trust him would accept that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:34:22
If Clem isn’t making any sort of financial gain or cannot see a way forward to make anything then he’ll sell. Until he does assume he’s doing alright in one way or another. We’re luck to have a club and he’s lucky to have our club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:34:52
And to repeat myself, that is why I think the better approach (than protesting) is to go after the shares themselves.  The Trust should always have been about getting representation, and being a partial or full owner is a good way of doing so.  Clem has said, in public, he is all for it, so lets see him put his mouth where the money isn't.  If he gets nasty over such an approach, then you can move towards protests - right now, far too many people will either be ignoring everything, or happy that it isn't Power in charge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:38:14
I don't know why i just have a feeling the share issue is bigger than we think. I think there are people behind the scenes who are making Clems life a misery if i am honest and things like buying shares and selling the club are not as easy as we think.

Just my opinion obviously but it would not suprise me at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 14:41:08
I don't know why i just have a feeling the share issue is bigger than we think. I think there are people behind the scenes who are making Clems life a misery if i am honest and things like buying shares and selling the club are not as easy as we think.

Just my opinion obviously but it would not suprise me at all

Nobody said it would be easy.  I'd fully expect any approach by the Trust to meet resistance, even if Clem gave some positive initial soundings in public.  That's not even counting the reaction of the Data/Recruitment & Lawyers wives.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 15:41:07
Ok, let’s just take a minute.

You all know my position on this. At present and that’s important, at present the advice is that it’s a no go.

In his defence, let’s look at what Clem has done.

Change was needed. He did it,Gav is clearly in tune with the players. I’ve not seen them play as well as they did on Saturday for months. Did you catch Charlie’s reaction when second went in. He’s clearly on board if his improved performance was anything to go by.

A change in players was demanded. He did it, those players who have come in looked ok on Saturday. This latest signing is a bit of a punt, but nothing to be lost in trying.

If it works, good luck to him. I can put my calculator away.

This isn’t from a happy clapper, a sun always shines supporter. Just a pragmatic approach.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 15:46:20
Still think its a poor window, personally. Bradford are just also a poor team. We'd need at least a 10 point deduction to be dragged in to any sort of relegation scrap though so it probably falls in to the 'that'll do' category for this season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 15:57:28
Club statement


In Autumn 2023, the EFL issued Swindon Town with a financial penalty of £2,000 alongside a three-transfer window fee restriction as a result of the Club accumulating 30 days or more of late payments in the current 12-month period (1 July 2023 to 30 June 2024).  

As permitted by EFL Regulations, the Club opted to appeal the both the fine and fee restriction on the basis that the sanction was disproportionate to the offence committed by the Club. The matter was referred to an independent Disciplinary Commission.  

On review of the case, the Commission has determined that the three-transfer window fee restriction should be reduced to two with the second window (August 2024) suspended and triggered upon a further breach. The Club is still required to pay the £2,000 fine.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 15:59:54
That's erm... potentially big news? Again a win for a transparent club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:01:53
What’s a ‘fee restriction’ window?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:02:50
Club statement


In Autumn 2023, the EFL issued Swindon Town with a financial penalty of £2,000 alongside a three-transfer window fee restriction as a result of the Club accumulating 30 days or more of late payments in the current 12-month period (1 July 2023 to 30 June 2024).  

As permitted by EFL Regulations, the Club opted to appeal the both the fine and fee restriction on the basis that the sanction was disproportionate to the offence committed by the Club. The matter was referred to an independent Disciplinary Commission.  

On review of the case, the Commission has determined that the three-transfer window fee restriction should be reduced to two with the second window (August 2024) suspended and triggered upon a further breach. The Club is still required to pay the £2,000 fine.  

I assume these are normall bills rather than wages as I thought that was a points deduction....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:05:09
Propper shitty behaviour that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:06:29
We made 39 late payments since June 2023. THIRTY NINE.
What constitutes late, though for general creditors. When I had my business virtually every client I had paid late I.e. outside the usual 30 days. What business is it of the EFL if we’re late paying Joe Bloggs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:11:01
It must be getting really hard defending Clem, Kiely and friends now for those who choose to.

Didn't that charm offensive press day come at a great time? Wonder what will be the defence will be...

Lee Power?
Another honest mistake?
STH and the 9 free games?
It's not easy running a football club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:13:20
Reading the judgement, it was signed off on the 19th January.
So they have sat on this until the day of the fans forum?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:13:26
"Clem has assured us he didn't know these bills were paid late, we will not be making further comment" - That will be that on the subject tonight


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:13:42
What are the details of the fee restrictions? Doesn't sound like an out right umbongo. Can't imagine Clem wants to pay much for anyone anyway so will use this as a good excuse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:14:33
What constitutes late, though for general creditors. When I had my business virtually every client I had paid late I.e. outside the usual 30 days. What business is it of the EFL if we’re late paying Joe Bloggs.

I suspect these are football creditors, which is why the EFL cares. Not necessarily player wages but the example above of a fellow club being passed monies owed late.

Seems sloppy and generally shit rather than truly nefarious, but it's just another straw on the camel's back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:15:12
Sam Morshead on Twitter tweeted “ In addition to a £2,000 fine, the club have been prevented from paying loan, compensation or transfer fees during this window.”

This is a very minor point in this news but does this transfer window restriction we’ve had this window mean we actually spent nothing fee wise on Glatzel, Johnson and Bycroft?

If so that’s a bullet in the “we’re reinvesting the funds from sales” argument, not that we expected that to happen.

Wonder where the Hutton and potential Khan/Minturn money will go towards


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:15:24
What are the details of the fee restrictions? Doesn't sound like an out right umbongo. Can't imagine Clem wants to pay much for anyone anyway so will use this as a good excuse.
It’s suspended anyway, so won’t make much difference.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:15:42
What are the details of the fee restrictions? Doesn't sound like an out right umbongo. Can't imagine Clem wants to pay much for anyone anyway so will use this as a good excuse.

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets.gc.eflservices.co.uk/30554960-bf62-11ee-b978-69178c8c4d36.pdf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:20:28
Wonder how this will impact the punishment we get for the share saga.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:20:46
Reading the judgement, it was signed off on the 19th January.
So they have sat on this until the day of the fans forum?

To be fair the EFL released it today. I assume the club can't influence them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:21:57
What's the odds of the fans forum suddenly being ''postponed'' for some reason or another....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:24:24
we're ok then


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:25:51
How does the timing of all this line up with the flash sale in the club shop?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:27:00
Anyone read the bit which mentioned the club potentially being up for sale. Page 10


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:29:53
Anyone read the bit which mentioned the club potentially being up for sale


Yes, I just picked up on that as well.

g. The consequences for the Club of a three Transfer Window Fee Restriction will be
i. to limit the Club's ability to make signings during those three Transfer Windows (as will always be the case with a 'standard' Fee Restriction), and
i. to make the Club (which I infer is potentially being made available for sale) less attractive to potential purchasers and so have an impact on the Club's
value.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:30:51
Basically, almost everything that was said by Whelen & his crew was spot on & the club lied through it's teeth. The sooner this mob are out the better...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:33:26
Anyone read the bit which mentioned the club potentially being up for sale. Page 10
Where was that mate


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:34:04
Where was that mate
Page 10


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:35:41
Just seen the link above. Cheers


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:36:00
Page 10

It does make reference to it which I believe is a defence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:37:47
I hope that someone asks Morfuni tonight

* whether he thinks it is right to have asked fans to waive season ticket refunds because of our lack of funds whilst at the same time incurring financial penalties for his dishonesty (i.e. knowing and failing to report the change of shareholder)

* if his response is that he received legal advice saying that he did not need to notify the EFL, whether he is now bringing a claim against his advisors for negligence (as opposed to, for example, giving shares to your lawyer / your lawyer's wife)   


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:38:39
So to summarise what I think it said:
 - 1st breach started 22nd June 2023
 - This window was fucked over because of it (thanks Clem)
 - We have a suspended sentence hanging over us for the next window

That the FA were satisfied this was a colossal administrative cock up and not because we are skint.

I for one blame the Swiss Mercedes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:38:48
So the deadline day ‘bid’ for the non league fella was bollocks then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:39:19
So the deadline day ‘bid’ for the non league fella was bollocks then.

Shock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:40:59
Anyone read the bit which mentioned the club potentially being up for sale. Page 10

Please god.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:43:33
Just for clarity was the 3 window ban suspended? If so i suppose we can't say we did or didn't try and sign certain players ( we didn't)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:44:15
So to summarise what I think it said:
 - 1st breach started 22nd June 2023
 - This window was fucked over because of it (thanks Clem)
 - We have a suspended sentence hanging over us for the next window

That the FA were satisfied this was a colossal administrative cock up and not because we are skint.

I for one blame the Swiss Mercedes.
Hardly colossal. They said lower end of cock ups


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Intelrowzman on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:45:31
IF there is anything positive is it possible all this came out in a buyers due diligence checks and so needed to be swiftly tidied up ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:46:16
Hardly colossal. They said lower end of cock ups

This is how they will always get away with shite at Swindon Town FC.

Most Clubs: Fucking hell! What does this all mean?
Swindon Town: It's just a flesh wound, move on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:46:52
Where was that mate
14 G ii


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:47:12
Hardly colossal. They said lower end of cock ups
It's not you are absolutely right but it just adds to the bullshit we are fed. Hall told us everything was being paid on time to tells us that isn't true, we were told we have a competetive budget when this tells us that obviously is bollocks as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:47:20
Just for clarity was the 3 window ban suspended? If so i suppose we can't say we did or didn't try and sign certain players ( we didn't)

No.

Original punishment was 3 windows.

On appeal it was amended to 2, with the second of the two suspended.

So in affect only the current window is affected, next summer will be affected if we fuck up again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:48:14
No.

Original punishment was 3 windows.

On appeal it was amended to 2, with the second of the two suspended.

So in affect only the current window is affected, next summer will be affected if we fuck up again.

Which we already have with the share transfer......may be a different crime but I'm sure the whole picture will be looked at.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:48:26
Got ya. Cheers Riddick


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:50:03
Plays into the Flynn walked because of broken promises on budget, as opposed to being sacked.

Also perhaps explains why Gavin has the job as we can't pay a fee for a manager!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:51:19
Still plenty of managers free agents. We just don't have a pot to piss in irrespective of the charges.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:51:27
Hardly colossal. They said lower end of cock ups
The punishment is colossal. It severely restricted this season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:53:09
The punishment is colossal. It severely restricted this season
Depends on what you were realistically expecting without any restriction!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:55:04
I’m going to see if I can bait Hall tonight. This is categoric proof that Hall has brazenly lied to us. Angus left after he was forced to lie, is Hall going to do the right thing and resign?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 16:57:23
If everybody left the club who’ve told porkies there’d be nobody left!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:01:09
Depends on what you were realistically expecting without any restriction!

We were told we had a competitive budget in the summer & only week or so ago it wasn’t all used….all bullshit so it staggers me that you seen okay with this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:04:04
We were told we had a competitive budget in the summer & only week or so ago it wasn’t all used….all bullshit so it staggers me that you seen okay with this.

We do have a competitive budget, we're just not allowed to spend it  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:04:24
That pesky Mercedes eh


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:04:42
Well, we could have had a competitive budget - we just weren’t allowed to spend it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:08:07
If everybody left the club who’ve told porkies there’d be nobody left!

That would be lovely. Please and thank you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:08:21
If everybody left the club who’ve told porkies there’d be nobody left!
But Hall has the potential to bite spectacularly….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:11:11
Well, we could have had a competitive budget - we just weren’t allowed to spend it!
Do you believe any of this that you right or just playing Devils advocate all the time?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:12:16
Yanking chains!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:13:55
I absolutely bet they spin at this is why we appointed Anthony Hall, this won't happen under his stewardship yada yada


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:17:47
Bradford had a fans forum last night - streamed on YouTube. That likely tonight?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:26:02
When I first glanced at the statement earlier (without reading into it beyond the twitter post) I assumed it related to the shares transfers, to now find out it's a new entirely separate charge really does highlight how much of a shit show we are at the moment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hoboken on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:26:25
So the deadline day ‘bid’ for the non league fella was bollocks then.

Only this window is affected, so assuming you’re talking about the last deadline day, it wouldn’t have been an issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hoboken on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:28:06
The punishment is colossal. It severely restricted this season

It didn’t restrict the last window at all; only this window.

Do we pay transfer fees anyway? 😩


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:32:45
Just another action to add to the list - they are like those people trying the Three Cup Scam.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:36:54
It’s the collective mindset that I don’t understand. They must know it’s all going to come out in the end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:37:05
I’m no clearer, when does the sanction apply- last transfer window, this transfer window or next transfer window? I don’t think the £2k is a big deal. Could have been worse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:37:37
This one. Next one suspended.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:39:33
Thanks - I did read them my mind was muddled by reading this forum!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:41:09
It’s the collective mindset that I don’t understand. They must know it’s all going to come out in the end.

So did Boris, so does Trump - the show just muddies the waters.  People who support the initial lies are far less inclined to shift their position when being revealed the "truth", more likely they will be able to rationalise it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: digby on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:41:25
Does anyone know if the forum is gonna be viewable/listenable any where ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:44:08
So this only covers late payments up to November? The Aldershot match after which the late wages story came out was in November so is outside this period. Wonder whether we can expect another of these….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:44:13
Live blog on the Adver site - that is it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:44:16
So did Boris, so does Trump - the show just muddies the waters.  People who support the initial lies are far less inclined to shift their position when being revealed the "truth", more likely they will be able to rationalise it.
I mean, you can get away with ‘it’s a mistake’ or ‘an administrative error’ once, maybe twice, but to keep on piling bullshit upon more bullshit its only going to end one way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:47:09
So this only covers late payments up to November? The Aldershot match after which the late wages story came out was in November so is outside this period. Wonder whether we can expect another of these….

Probably not - the punishment only relates to monies owed to other football clubs, players/managers of our club (or past players/managers) or HMRC.  If we were late paying the tea lady, she just has to suck that up and go through normal employment tribunal processes if sufficiently pissed off.  Explains the sudden rush to ensure the players were paid on time in the end though - it would have indeed undercut our appeal and worsened the punishment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:48:31
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24085712.swindon-town-potentially-sale-efl-documents-reveal/
Interesting or they might have just said it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:56:25
I wonder if a Trust statement is forthcoming. Arf.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: digby on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:57:55
Live blog on the Adver site - that is it
Surely someone at the forum will use their phone to give us a live feed ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 17:58:00
I wonder if a Trust statement is forthcoming. Arf.

18 hours to apply to be a board member. I'm locking my keyboard away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 18:19:34
I expect the Clemites are already preparing their continued defence of him. Foaming at the mouth shouting "at least we still have a club"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 18:23:15
I expect the Clemites are already preparing their continued defence of him. Foaming at the mouth shouting "at least we still have a club"

Asking for selfies at the fans forum


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 18:24:30
Asking for selfies at the fans forum

"Pint of Stella please saviour"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 18:27:07
"Pint of Stella please saviour"

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 18:29:59
I think I’ll put this one down to shit admin. I guess having a CEO with no experience can lead to situations like this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 18:50:24
the forum is on the official youtubes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 19:08:39
I wonder if a Trust statement is forthcoming. Arf.

Is there anyone left there to make one?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 19:46:30
This is absolutely insane


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 21:42:53
the forum is on the official youtubes
Guess who didn't spot the matchday thread about this until half time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 00:39:03
one more admin and we're out of the football league I believe, they have to be careful, this could be a major, colossal black hole of a shite bugle


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 08:20:38
Guess who didn't spot the matchday thread about this until half time

And you want our vote for the Trust board? Pathetic. ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 08:25:29
Ability to read isn't listed as a desirable skill (i assume, it was written down)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 08:31:44
Ability to read isn't listed as a desirable skill (i assume, it was written down)

Would you like to run the financial review?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 09:09:36
Ahh i'm ok with numbers!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 14:46:15
I don't think I saw it mentioned on here, but it was by STFC Questions on Twitter, who suggested that there was delayed rent payment to the Joint Venture on the ground. In real terms, what does this mean?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 15:01:40
I don't think I saw it mentioned by STFC Questions on Twitter suggested that there was delayed rent payment to the Joint Venture on the ground. In real terms, what does this mean?

That we have cashflow problems or poor resources controlling accounts receivables and payments at the club (given others have also suggested late payments for other services, and we fucked up paying clubs and HMRC).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 18:38:57
Lets not forget that the previous CFO was quite open telling people we were essentially trading insolvent when he left, that was May '23.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 18:53:44
If the club stop paying the JV, can they lose their half?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:04:23
Why is there rent to pay for the JV. Thought the whole point was there was no rent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:11:23
Why is there rent to pay for the JV. Thought the whole point was there was no rent.

Isnt it to fund stadium maintenance and upkeep


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:15:09
Why is there rent to pay for the JV. Thought the whole point was there was no rent.


Quote
One question raised by Trust Members was how much rent the Club will pay compared to the current agreement. The rent will be 50% less reflecting the Club will own 50% of

the ground. The rent will be paid to the JC and will be re-invested into the ground with JV approval.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:16:04
Who sets the rent for their own asset


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:20:06
the rent amount is transferred from the council.
afaik


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:21:24
So we’re not saving anything then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:25:03
The club pays 50% less to the JV than it was paying to the Council.

The JV then uses that money towards the ground and not towards general Council running costs.

Club saves on both ends.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:42:32
The club pays 50% less to the JV than it was paying to the Council.

The JV then uses that money towards the ground and not towards general Council running costs.

Club saves on both ends.

Yes it was on a full repairing lease so all issues the club had to pay for structural or not. Now though, we pay the JV which will then release the money to conduct the same repairs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:44:57
Why is there rent to pay for the JV. Thought the whole point was there was no rent.

It's half the previous rate, money to be used on the stadium


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 19:45:54
So we’re not saving anything then?

Saving half. 100% really as they get the money back anyway its just allocated to stadium maintenance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 20:05:38
If only there was a group who were part of the JV and could quickly dispel such rumours and settle a few fans nerves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 20:15:31
Can we blame Bennett yet? This is gonna be fun


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 20:30:31
If only there was a group who were part of the JV and could quickly dispel such rumours and settle a few fans nerves.

Could you trust what they were saying?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 20:44:39
If only there was a group who were part of the JV and could quickly dispel such rumours and settle a few fans nerves.

They did.

It's also in the AB minutes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 21:20:22
They did.

It's also in the AB minutes

Which part mate ? Happy to retract if wrong


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 21:26:19
Which part mate ? Happy to retract if wrong

Assume you were on about rent? I'll add the links here

AB: (search 50%)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-january-2023.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwji_seXyYiEAxUdYEEAHe-nDzIQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2aEkRo575rrGlkVXhIfJ-M

Can't find the trust one, this mentions rent but not 50% reduction

https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 22:14:43
Adver bloke on twitter:

I can understand the payments being missed as an ‘admin error’.

But I cannot understand why after being warned by the EFL on November 2 about the late payments and rule breach #STFC did nothing about them until they triggered the fine and fee restriction on November 10.

Especially as on November 5, five days before #STFC reached the 30 day threshold triggering the rule breach, Clem Morfuni issued a statement, via the club, saying there was no HMRC payment issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, January 31, 2024, 22:16:22
Assume you were on about rent? I'll add the links here

AB: (search 50%)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2022-23/documents/advisory-board-january-2023.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwji_seXyYiEAxUdYEEAHe-nDzIQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2aEkRo575rrGlkVXhIfJ-M

Can't find the trust one, this mentions rent but not 50% reduction

https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/


Ah I meant the lack of rent payments


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 09:28:46
Just perhaps Morfuni is smarter than I give him credit for
"Hey guys it's not my decision we can't buy players... it's the EFL and you can now see how they pick on Swindon"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 09:50:10

Ah I meant the lack of rent payments
That's a question I share with you.  The answer would be one indicator of the good faith/competence of Clem & Co - or otherwise.

I emailed the Trust as follows on Monday:

Your role in the Ground acquisition has now been achieved. It is however difficult to see how the potential of ownership can start to be realised whilst the ownership issues of one of the parties to the JV Agreement remain so unclear. One detail on which it would be reassuring to receive an update, would be:



1. What part of the £100k p.a. to be paid into the JV has actually been transferred to the JV by STFC
2. and when is any balance due to be transferred
3. and clarity if any of that £100k transfer is other than cash (eg loan notes, quid pro quos etc)

[The first year of the Agreement will expire sometime next month]

The extent of a Company's duties of disclosure to 3rd parties (even a "transparent" company like STFC) can be argued.

However, this is a joint venture, so STFC's adherence or otherwise with it cannot be solely a matter for STFC.  I feel we are entitled to clarity here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 10:01:11

Ah I meant the lack of rent payments

Ah.

I guess there is a fine line in transparency between what you pass on and don't. You simply can't pass on everything.

A one off resolved thing not contributing to EFL issues would be a very different from an unresolved or continual issue. IMO.

It should howeever set the spidey senses tingling when added to the weight of other issues.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 10:04:01
Yeah agree with Batch, I wouldn't really expect the Trust to publicise a late rent payment, but it's a red flag that should impact how they approach the club in other areas.

Mind you, the current leadership seem happy to ignore more red flags than a Chinese military parade, so hopefully they know something we don't...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 10:06:26
Ah.

I guess there is a fine line in transparency between what you pass on and don't. You simply can't pass on everything.

A one off resolved thing not contributing to EFL issues would be a very different from an unresolved or continual issue. IMO.

It should howeever set the spidey senses tingling when added to the weight of other issues.


My point is that the rent Q. concerns the Trust as well as STFC.  Many of us are members of the Trust and are entitled to know how the Agreement is operating.  What STFC want to disclose appears, imo, beside the point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 12:36:36
I'm not sure how the JV works, yes it's 50/50 and there is a board, but who is secretary and I assume they have to produce accounts which is due to the secretary, when are they due ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 14:49:46
Mmmmm


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 15:03:00
Mmmmm


For fuck sake.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 15:09:05
BUT ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CLUB!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 15:14:02
That is from last year, I posted a link to an article from the person running the Academy Coaching which made it very clear STFC were behind it, that it wasn't a "proper football club" and was a way of getting talent Visa's to move away.  This is simply more detail about the process, which clearly involved teaching them English so they are ready to get their UK scholarship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 16:30:13
I'm sorry but Clem isn't just incompetent. Can we put this to bed now?

He's a fucking liar. Its plain and simple.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 16:45:44
Doncaster fall foul of the same thing we did and are now under the same/similar embargo conditions we are. It will be interesting to see if (m)any more clubs fall foul.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 16:51:26
Doncaster fall foul of the same thing we did and are now under the same/similar embargo conditions we are. It will be interesting to see if (m)any more clubs fall foul.

Yeah, and then sign a goalkeeper on loan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 17:18:01
I was looking for where the club has stated it didn't cost them anything, July 22 advisory board was one occasion.

Also said Adam Hart takes strength and conditioning. I wonder what we pay him. Says he's there to reduce injuries.....how did that go that season?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 1, 2024, 17:20:36
Also said Adam Hart takes strength and conditioning. I wonder what we pay him. Says he's there to reduce injuries.....how did that go that season?

No broken kneecaps...yet


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, February 5, 2024, 11:00:53
I thought Garners interview pre Newport was quite interesting.

It just reconfirmed what a lot of us have said in that something went wrong after that first season. It seems so very odd that Clem had a season where he left it to Chorley and Garner and from nothing it went pretty well, to 'Clem' deciding to change the entire footballing side of the club. It seems pretty obvious to me that someone has forced Clems hand there honestly, as Clem otherwise has consistently sounded quite hands off on the footballing side (Austin an exception).

Someone fucked off Chorley, and that undermined the Garner relationship as well. I assume this is Kiely.

It was also the first i had heard that Lindsey was going to Charlton as well, clearly delayed by Sandros in depth multi week search for a new head coach!!!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 5, 2024, 11:52:32
it went pretty well, to 'Clem' deciding to change the entire footballing side of the club. It seems pretty obvious to me that someone has forced Clems hand there honestly, as Clem otherwise has consistently sounded quite hands off on the footballing side (Austin an exception).

Or finances have?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, February 5, 2024, 11:56:16
Or finances have?

Maybe, but we were under strict sanctions that first season. We couldn't pay fees, our wages were capped etc. Its possible we have cut down even more since then i guess, but it wasn't like we were splashing the cash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 5, 2024, 12:33:09
Maybe, but we were under strict sanctions that first season. We couldn't pay fees, our wages were capped etc. Its possible we have cut down even more since then i guess, but it wasn't like we were splashing the cash.

That's true. There is the other side in that we need to generate more revenue to cut the deficit, and they though going all out polishing the discarded and broken would yield it.

(lets ignore the darker alternative possibilities for now).  Not sure its a great tactic, and as a fan its too far.
==
To argue against my own point, the first year we made a very small profit. The Man City game and playoffs helped of course - what 500K. Yes costs have increased through inflation, but even so...

So maybe your point is right...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 5, 2024, 12:50:43
The question really has to be. where did Kiely come from?  Clem probably knows nobody and sounds pretty ill informed whenever he talks about the club.  It's unlikely, in my mind, that he had scoured the backrooms of the football world and identified Kiely as an up and coming Data/Recruitment wizard.  The fact Kiely later ends up owning shares and lending money, would suggest someone else - because he doesn't exactly have the background that leads you to thinking millionaire.  A pretty crap football career, a company that exists to rent out a property and another in horse racing.  He's too young and unknown in that world (relatively speaking) to have made much that way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 5, 2024, 12:53:03
His dad was a Premier League footballer for a decade, there'll be a bit of money around the family.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 5, 2024, 13:07:18
His dad was a Premier League footballer for a decade, there'll be a bit of money around the family.

I'm not sure he'd have earned a fortune though - I am sure he could be part of how Chris was brought in, through contacts, but of whom?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 5, 2024, 13:09:25
His dad was a Premier League footballer for a decade, there'll be a bit of money around the family.

Am I prepared to believe that Dean Kiely/family has millions of pounds lying around? And could I believe that he'd be ready to pump a lot of money into a football club that your son may or may not have significant interests in?

I am not.

 :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 5, 2024, 13:26:40
Kiely hasn't pumped money in though has he? He's issued a secured loan on credit terms we don't know.

If the implication is that the money is someone else's, it's not really clear why Michael Standing would be significantly richer. There seem to be a lot of people involved who are very well off but hardly on a Black/Arbib level.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 5, 2024, 13:30:09
Kiely hasn't pumped money in though has he? He's issued a secured loan on credit terms we don't know.

If the implication is that the money is someone else's, it's not really clear why Michael Standing would be significantly richer. There seem to be a lot of people involved who are very well off but hardly on a Black/Arbib level.

I'm not suggesting the who - just that Chris Kiely's arrival, and then "investment" seems a bit left field.  It really doesn't matter, it's ultimately responsible for the player churn and lack of backbone in the squad, regardless of how he got here.  It was more that the Garner interview got me wondering about the why - given the season had gone about as well as anyone would have expected.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, February 5, 2024, 13:45:40
It was more that the Garner interview got me wondering about the why - given the season had gone about as well as anyone would have expected.

Its exactly that for me as well. Clem has come in, the only footballing person he knew at that point was Chorley, and Chorley with Garner performed pretty well during that first season given conditions.

Chorley it was said left for personal reasons.

Listening to Garner, and from other rumours over time, its more likely Chorley left because of changes the club was about to make. So why the hell did the club decide what Chorley and Garner had done wasn't good enough, and why was Kiely (his data model) and Sandro identified as an improvement by Clem. It just doesn't seem very likely that it was to me.

As Sam M has said on recent LSPOD, he really needs to try and uncover Kiely and get to the bottom of that to understand whats going on at the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, February 5, 2024, 16:41:37
From what i heard Chorley didnt get on with Zav Austin. Make of that what you will.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, February 5, 2024, 16:55:51
I’m intrigued to know how Garner has suddenly reappeared to tell his side of the story as to why he left and how he was offered the opportunity to comment on a live Swindon Town Town match as he didn’t exactly leave on great terms. Maybe the plot is thickening😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 5, 2024, 17:10:13
Obviously, the perceived wisdom is that he walked at the first opportunity. Seemingly pointing the finger at Clem changing direction, it seems unlikely Clem would ask him back.

If I continue to have trouble sleeping maybe I’d think about having him back - not!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 5, 2024, 17:24:47
Under the circumstances Garner worked near miracles in that season, but he walked at the first sniff of a new job and he never ingratiated himself to fans with his dour pre/post match talks, he was the epitomy of dull.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, February 5, 2024, 17:32:58
Which is baffling why he’s taking an interest in STFC again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, February 5, 2024, 17:51:13
Which is baffling why he’s taking an interest in STFC again.

Maybe because he’s getting paid to do it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, February 5, 2024, 18:00:12
Maybe because he’s getting paid to do it?

By who BBC Wilts😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, February 5, 2024, 18:08:59
From what i heard Chorley didnt get on with Zav Austin. Make of that what you will.

Correct.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, February 5, 2024, 18:18:41
Sad that Chorley leaving was just because of a match day guest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, February 5, 2024, 18:19:50
Sad that Chorley leaving was just because of a match day guest.

Quite!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, February 5, 2024, 19:06:55
A match day guest who various rumours would put as Standings man. (I have no idea if this is true)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 07:07:44
I’m intrigued to know how Garner has suddenly reappeared to tell his side of the story as to why he left and how he was offered the opportunity to comment on a live Swindon Town Town match as he didn’t exactly leave on great terms. Maybe the plot is thickening😁

….because he’s unemployed and was available for a Saturday lunch time KO


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 08:22:03
The question really has to be. where did Kiely come from?  Clem probably knows nobody and sounds pretty ill informed whenever he talks about the club.  It's unlikely, in my mind, that he had scoured the backrooms of the football world and identified Kiely as an up and coming Data/Recruitment wizard.  The fact Kiely later ends up owning shares and lending money, would suggest someone else - because he doesn't exactly have the background that leads you to thinking millionaire.  A pretty crap football career, a company that exists to rent out a property and another in horse racing.  He's too young and unknown in that world (relatively speaking) to have made much that way.

My assumption is that everyone connected with the ownership met through horse racing, which is what Lee Power was/is really into.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 08:39:14
Chorley was a huge loss. I see the Clem Protection Army stating he left to take a new challenge.
He definitely didnt take another job straight away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 09:19:43
….because he’s unemployed and was available for a Saturday lunch time KO

Not really hugely different to Anthony Grant, Paul Bodin or Sam Parkin doing co-comms really. From a work perspective, Garner's stock has plummeted since leaving us. I suspect he'll go into coaching rather than being a head coach for a while.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 09:23:28
Chorley was a huge loss. I see the Clem Protection Army stating he left to take a new challenge.
He definitely didnt take another job straight away.

You can make a case that Chorley was the glue that held everything together, especially as that season could have been an absolute shit show and for us to get to the play-offs was a pretty good achievement bearing in mind what happened leading up to the season starting. Him leaving was the catalyst for the downward spiral and not being replaced properly has meant we trundle along in league 2 without any real upward trajectory in site.

Fail to prepare etc etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 09:25:24
Sad that Chorley leaving was just because of a match day guest.

And if that's the case then you have to ask questions. Who is more important for the football club, someone who has vast experience in the game like Mr Chorley, or someone who seemingly is just there for a bit of morale support. Clem didn't choose very well there did he?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 09:31:16
Reading between the lines I think we forced Chorley out because whilst he had helped to build a decent L2 football team it didn’t have enough future sellable assets.

It’s clear as day since then we’ve put future profits from sales as our top priority.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 09:59:06
And if that's the case then you have to ask questions. Who is more important for the football club, someone who has vast experience in the game like Mr Chorley, or someone who seemingly is just there for a bit of morale support. Clem didn't choose very well there did he?
Problem is i don't think he had a choice in who he chose unfortunately. Zav Austin certainly turned against Lee Power and helped Clem get his money back so in that sense i certainly understand why he had to get into bed with him. I do think what has unravelled since has left him regretting it. I genuinely believe any decisions being made at this club are not made by him

Not an excuse and it has royally fucked this club up but unfortunately our fan base will judge on results rather than off field stuff if things go well


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 10:05:00
Problem is i don't think he had a choice in who he chose unfortunately. Zav Austin certainly turned against Lee Power and helped Clem get his money back so in that sense i certainly understand why he had to get into bed with him. I do think what has unravelled since has left him regretting it. I genuinely believe any decisions being made at this club are not made by him

Not an excuse and it has royally fucked this club up but unfortunately our fan base will judge on results rather than off field stuff if things go well

I'm inclined to agree, and so Clem now has to make tough choices in order to get the fan base back onside. Clearing the decks would be a good start, but there is no evidence to suggest that will happen. 

I'm not totally in agreement about the last point, under Lee Power, we very nearly got into the Championship. Whilst doing well does mask things under the bonnet i'm not sure they will get such an easy ride given the recent history. Time will tell however.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 11:48:04
Accounts should be available in the next 3 weeks.  :contract:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 12:45:48
Reading between the lines I think we forced Chorley out because whilst he had helped to build a decent L2 football team it didn’t have enough future sellable assets.

It’s clear as day since then we’ve put future profits from sales as our top priority.

We sold McKirdy for good money. Great money in hindsight.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 12:51:10
We sold McKirdy for good money. Great money in hindsight.

True but that was really it from that team.
Plus I don’t think we are likely to see any future money from the McKirdy deal via a sell on clause - like we did with Twine for example.

We want to get players in at 20, sell them by 23 hope they continue upward and get sold on by 26.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 12:52:49
Since Clem took over we’ve sold players whether via the Chorley approach or, now, the Russell approach. Looks like we’ve got some youth assets that will be worth a few quid soon enough.

So the recruitment is similar but the results have dipped.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 12:58:17
I'm inclined to agree, and so Clem now has to make tough choices in order to get the fan base back onside. Clearing the decks would be a good start, but there is no evidence to suggest that will happen.  

Can it happen? The trust let it slip before deleting the tweet....not the sort of people you can just ask to stop using facilities.

If anything I expect to see a boxing event at the county ground next with Adam Harts fighters and whatever totally not MTK Global *wink wink* are calling themselves these days promoting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:08:00
And us lot taking part  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:10:01
Chorley left as Clem (or his advisors selling him the vision) wanted to go in the new direction of signing all young players and be more data driven and wanting to sell for a profit which was not the original plan - Chorley obviously felt this route was the wrong one to take, so Garner then decided that without Chorley his job would be more difficult so decided to go Charlton despite turning them down previously.

Clem has done a few U Turns

Garner / Chorley - DoF  / head coach - mixture of players, Chorley in charge of recruiting players in discussion with Garner
Jody Morris / Sandro DoF -  Head Coach - what was the plan ?
Lindsey / Sandro - DoF  / Head coach  - data driven  - young players to sell on
Flynn - / Russell- HoF - manager fully in charge of recruitment
Gunning / Russell - HoF football in charge of recruitment and bringing in young players to sell for profit seemingly

What's next ?




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:11:16
Since Clem took over we’ve sold players whether via the Chorley approach or, now, the Russell approach. Looks like we’ve got some youth assets that will be worth a few quid soon enough.

So the recruitment is similar but the results have dipped.

We will always be a selling club - think we all know and accept that.

It’s one thing having a few hopefully sellable assets in a solid team but it’s another to have a whole team of hopefully sellable assets.

We’ve just been talking about the money we got for McKirdy. A decent amount of money almost no one would have predicted us getting when he signed. Does he reach that value in the Lindsey or Morris or Flynn team. Does he hit the same heights without the likes of Jack Payne, Josh Davison & Louie Barry around him?

Doubt it. For me you get jack shit value from a team of McKirdys but you’ll get decent value of one maximised talent McKirdy is a team of solid players even if they have no monetary value themselves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:20:37
Chorley left as Clem (or his advisors selling him the vision) wanted to go in the new direction of signing all young players and be more data driven and wanting to sell for a profit which was not the original plan - Chorley obviously felt this route was the wrong one to take, so Garner then decided that without Chorley his job would be more difficult so decided to go Charlton despite turning them down previously.

Clem has done a few U Turns

Garner / Chorley - DoF  / head coach - mixture of players, Chorley in charge of recruiting players in discussion with Garner
Jody Morris / Sandro DoF -  Head Coach - what was the plan ?
Lindsey / Sandro - DoF  / Head coach  - data driven  - young players to sell on
Flynn - / Russell- HoF - manager fully in charge of recruitment
Gunning / Russell - HoF football in charge of recruitment and bringing in young players to sell for profit seemingly

What's next ?



I think we all know and accept Clem knows Jack shit about football so just who is advising him on all these twists and turns?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:48:45
We will always be a selling club - think we all know and accept that.

It’s one thing having a few hopefully sellable assets in a solid team but it’s another to have a whole team of hopefully sellable assets.

We’ve just been talking about the money we got for McKirdy. A decent amount of money almost no one would have predicted us getting when he signed. Does he reach that value in the Lindsey or Morris or Flynn team. Does he hit the same heights without the likes of Jack Payne, Josh Davison & Louie Barry around him?

Doubt it. For me you get jack shit value from a team of McKirdys but you’ll get decent value of one maximised talent McKirdy is a team of solid players even if they have no monetary value themselves.

This is where I really do not understand our approach.  McKirdy really wasn't sold for all that much - it's not a sum of money that sees you absorb a season of running a million over Revenue for example.  If he is the best we can hope for, and evidence suggests that much, then you need to be selling five or six at that value every season.  That is simply not sustainable, not while trying to be a good team.  You essentially have to recruit 20 or so new players a season, because the majority will not return 6 figure sell on fees.  Most will be a miss.

Very rarely does a defender go for big money at L2, same for a Goalkeeper and midfielders are going to be worth more if they are attacking.  Therefore, you bring in a steady bunch to solidify your team in these positions and maybe the odd loan that gets you higher quality (from the top 2 Divisions).

Then you focus your younger, more gamble related recruitment, up top.

We are taking a series of diminishing return gambles it seems - having to up the ante by churning more and more of these lower cost roles of the dice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:49:15
Finally, people can still make money the way we are doing it, just not the club/business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 13:55:02
The mystery is we have no reason to suspect Chris Kiely. We can see who he is, a former goalkeeper and son of an ex Premier League one, a property manager, a racehorse owner...

If his 'data model' is so good, why doesn't he make any noise about it? Get some investment... cynically the lack of openness makes me think... there isn't a data model at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 14:21:25
Follow the money back it's the only way. Sam M is a journalist that's what he should be doing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 14:25:10
Follow the money back it's the only way. Sam M is a journalist that's what he should be doing.

Not all journos are investigate journos, most just report on the on the pitch stuff. If the Adver saw a huge leap in sales whenever they did any investigative stuff, I'm sure they'd do that, but most people don't care enough to pay for it.

Sam in particularly isn't really a full time STFC journo, he just writes a column occasionally for an online publication.

If we had a bit more of a national profile it's something The Athletic might do... but anything from the local press would be well above and beyond expectations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 14:37:57
I have no knowledge of journalism, but from the outside it looks to me like local journos cant dig too deep or the club will either ban them or make it impossible for them to get any access.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 14:59:02
Follow the money back it's the only way. Sam M is a journalist that's what he should be doing.
For all we know he may be doing that already or other journos doing similar, its a case of finding a paper trail I guess and see what pops out of the woodwork.

I have no knowledge of journalism, but from the outside it looks to me like local journos cant dig too deep or the club will either ban them or make it impossible for them to get any access.
This is always a concern for them I would imagine and Sam for certain is trying to build the bridges back with the club that Power burnt down so quickly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:24:59
Follow the money back it's the only way. Sam M is a journalist that's what he should be doing.
Afternoon. If I could make it financially viable, I'd love to get teeth into this more. Fwiw, my earnings from Town coverage at the mo are £80 a week; have to do the day job - digital/media consultancy & more lucrative freelancing - to pay the bills. Maybe down the line, there'll be a platform which allows me to sustain myself and do Town full-time. Right now, I'm doing what I can but I'm pretty much in the same boat as everyone else


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 16:37:57
Afternoon. If I could make it financially viable, I'd love to get teeth into this more. Fwiw, my earnings from Town coverage at the mo are £80 a week; have to do the day job - digital/media consultancy & more lucrative freelancing - to pay the bills. Maybe down the line, there'll be a platform which allows me to sustain myself and do Town full-time. Right now, I'm doing what I can but I'm pretty much in the same boat as everyone else

You could do crowdfunding :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 21:13:04
Afternoon. If I could make it financially viable, I'd love to get teeth into this more. Fwiw, my earnings from Town coverage at the mo are £80 a week; have to do the day job - digital/media consultancy & more lucrative freelancing - to pay the bills. Maybe down the line, there'll be a platform which allows me to sustain myself and do Town full-time. Right now, I'm doing what I can but I'm pretty much in the same boat as everyone else

Wouldn’t you need a forensic accountant and access to bank accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 21:28:41
Sam Morshead is doing some good work for the ink.

Just seen he's posting too,

ninja e: Defo worth a subscription .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 22:13:12
As fans, where do we go for options to encourage change? The trust have over played their clem friendship, we don't have the protest numbers we had even back in the orange hat days. Any organisation is a nightmare and nobody seems bothered enough.

I've been through shit times before. Loads of them. But now it seems like we could spiral in out of businness obscurity through default.It's sad.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, 23:56:16

As fans, where do we go for options to encourage change? The trust have over played their clem friendship, we don't have the protest numbers we had even back in the orange hat days. Any organisation is a nightmare and nobody seems bothered enough.

I've been through shit times before. Loads of them. But now it seems like we could spiral in out of business obscurity through default.It's sad.


It is a very sad state fB :/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 08:47:33
Sleepwalking sums up the majority of the fanbase.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 11:24:48
I think we all know and accept Clem knows Jack shit about football so just who is advising him on all these twists and turns?
It's obvious surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 11:44:06
It's obvious surely?

DV?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 12:00:28
It's obvious surely?

it's the scarecrow isn't it? (this might be a bit cryptic)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 12:03:42
it's the scarecrow isn't it? (this might be a bit cryptic)

Well I took Standing from this, so not that cryptic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 12:09:57
Well I took Standing from this, so not that cryptic.

:) Yeah I somewhat underestimated the good folk on here didn't I. I'm assuming that's who the OP was talking about?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 19:02:42
Some people on the facebook group truly seem to believe we might actually get undersoil heating.
I wonder if they might be interested in buying some magic beans as well ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 19:21:07
Some people on the facebook group truly seem to believe we might actually get undersoil heating.
I wonder if they might be interested in buying some magic beans as well ?

Did make me laugh too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 19:21:55
If it is through a company known to the owner then it would not suprise me


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 19:30:46
I swear I read somewhere recently that undersoil heating can cost £5k per day to use.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 20:44:04
Bradford Fans Forum this evening. I wonder what reaction we’d have if Clem came out and said this

‘Keep the club sustainable and in this league - the rest I don’t care about’.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 8, 2024, 13:26:04
Bradford Fans Forum this evening. I wonder what reaction we’d have if Clem came out and said this

‘Keep the club sustainable and in this league - the rest I don’t care about’.

I wonder if they have legions of idiots happy clapping the comment like we would.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 8, 2024, 14:45:01
Bradford Fans Forum this evening. I wonder what reaction we’d have if Clem came out and said this

‘Keep the club sustainable and in this league - the rest I don’t care about’.

That's what Sandro basically said!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 16:55:24
FGR accounts. How is their income £8m? Does money injected by Vince count in that? Costs £10m!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 16:58:24
FGR accounts. How is their income £8m? Does money injected by Vince count in that? Costs £10m!

Goes in via sponsorship, Ecotricity.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 17:09:31
So without that they’d be losing £6m a year? Jeez!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 17:39:59
Well some degree of sponsorship money would be possible without Vince but obviously he'll be paying well over market rate.  Imagine the whole green club thing means they do better than you'd imagine commercially from brands that want to be associated with that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 17:41:23
FGR accounts. How is their income £8m? Does money injected by Vince count in that? Costs £10m!


It does suggest that our £8m a year isn’t as bonkers as it first appeared.

From that there total wage bill is £5.4m, is there anyway to work out what of that was for the players?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 17:42:06
It does suggest that our £8m a year isn’t as bonkers as it first appeared.

From that there total wage bill is £5.4m, is there anyway to work out what of that was for the players?

Further down they literally have the average weekly wage so you'd just need to multiply that by the squad size.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 17:49:19
Further down they literally have the average weekly wage so you'd just need to multiply that by the squad size.

Is that just for the first team, or does it include the coaching staff and the business staff (CEO etc)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 18:31:23
you'd think that was all staff


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 11, 2024, 23:35:30
https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756822415735173408?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756823057774125373?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756823370018996255?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

Interesting stuff. Seems Morris was spun a yarn too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Monday, February 12, 2024, 00:04:25
you'd think that was all staff

Yes it would be - you can probably work out the playing budget, well have a guess.

58 (admin staff) * £25k average? = £1.5m (these are fully loaded averages, not just salary)

Playing/football management of 81, which a squad size of 32, so 49 support staff (seems a lot).

49 support staff * £30k average? = £1.5m

32 players average = £5.4m - £3.0m (from above) = £2.4m

£2.4m / 32 players = £75k a year or £1,442 a week - seems a bit low?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, February 12, 2024, 00:07:23
https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756822415735173408?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756823057774125373?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756823370018996255?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

Interesting stuff. Seems Morris was spun a yarn too
Basically confirms what we all knew, Morfuni is a compulsive liar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, February 12, 2024, 00:15:27
Tippy Tappy Football on the mic  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 12, 2024, 08:38:27
Summary of the Morris interviews above for anyone who doesn't want to listen:

- Not got enough time to cover all of what happened
- Owner made promises with the Technical Director, lots of things didn't happen
- Clem not about that much
- SDM and Rob Angus didn't get on and would openly criticise each other
- Training facilities promises were made, didn't happen
- Lost experience before he arrived, very young side missing physicality
- "Wonder why we conceded late goals or set pieces - this is the first time they're playing first team football" (good thing that's changed!)
- Felt he had a good relationship with Clem planning for next year, and then all of a sudden sacked with no real warning as they were planning for next season
- Wouldn't blame the team, we had better performances than the results. They needed more support and experience to develop.
- Tom Brewitt was considering giving up football to become a coach before he joined


Nothing hugely surprising there really, but puts a bit of meat on rumours.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, February 12, 2024, 08:54:11
Summary of the Morris interviews above for anyone who doesn't want to listen:

- Felt he had a good relationship with Clem planning for next year, and then all of a sudden sacked with no real warning as they were planning for next season



Nothing hugely surprising there really, but puts a bit of meat on rumours.
Makes you wonder if it's another one of those Clem trusting other people too much scenarios again, Standings client Flynn becomes available around the same time as this. Potentially sold the world about Flynn or encouraged to help a mate out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, February 12, 2024, 09:07:04
Or it makes you wonder who called the shot on sacking Morris if Clem had a good relationship and was planning for next year.

All back to this idea that can't be shaken that its not really Clem that owns the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, February 12, 2024, 09:35:39
…or perhaps we were planning for next year & after we kept losing every week someone decided Morris was an complete fraud & keeping him for this season would have been an absolute shit show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, February 12, 2024, 09:46:59
https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756822415735173408?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756823057774125373?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://x.com/sn1insider/status/1756823370018996255?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

Interesting stuff. Seems Morris was spun a yarn too
Is there a part 4 too? Sounds as if there might have been a little more that was Town related?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, February 12, 2024, 09:51:08
Where there are so many f@ck ups happening at STFC you can only think that the worst is happening.
Just possibly it could be the total incompetence of the owner and not as so sinister as we all think.
Who really knows?
But surely these issues can't keep happening.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, February 12, 2024, 09:57:36
I’m still convinced that the main problem is not having anyone who knows how to run a football club.

The nearest we have had to this was Chorley, but since then there’s nobody.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, February 12, 2024, 10:11:06
A rudderless ship heading towards the rocks with a captain of questionable means and ability being dictated to by ‘invisible owners’ flying a flag convenience to keep the authorities at bay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 12, 2024, 10:20:20
Need two types of football people. The actual sporting side (like Chorley) with a proper network of contacts, and also the administration side- a CEO with EFL experience who knows the rules and how to deal with the relevant authorities and other clubs.

Morfuni went with a fan from another profession and now someone from his maintenance business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 12, 2024, 10:48:37
I’m still convinced that the main problem is not having anyone who knows how to run a football club.

The nearest we have had to this was Chorley, but since then there’s nobody.


I'm with you on this PR. Plans 'written' with invisible ink and then torn up after 6 months to try something else.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 12, 2024, 11:48:23
Is it deliberate? Keeping experienced people away who may expose the set up. Morris is spilling the beans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, February 12, 2024, 11:49:26
Or it makes you wonder who called the shot on sacking Morris if Clem had a good relationship and was planning for next year.

All back to this idea that can't be shaken that its not really Clem that owns the club.
Agree with this, sounds similar to the whole Austin saga doesn't it. Clem gets his man promises this and that then realises he cant actually do this and that

Urghhh it is relentless at this club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:01:34
Is it deliberate? Keeping experienced people away who may expose the set up. Morris is spilling the beans.

Obviously all opinion but wouldn’t be surprised. Look at the people we do have/have had in football positions, either people in the role for first time or people who probably wouldn’t get the same gig elsewhere. Experienced football people have the luxury of other options so are less likely to tolerate the sillyness of this club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:13:06
It couldn’t cost much more, if anything, to employ a CEO with footballing knowledge than what Clem’s Aussie pal is getting.

So it does you make you think they don’t actually want anybody from the outside sticking their noses into what’s going on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, February 12, 2024, 12:49:31
It couldn’t cost much more, if anything, to employ a CEO with footballing knowledge than what Clem’s Aussie pal is getting.

So it does you make you think they don’t actually want anybody from the outside sticking their noses into what’s going on.

Clem was already paying Hall, so he’s saved himself a whole wage by using him as our CEO.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Monday, February 12, 2024, 13:12:24
Clem was already paying Hall, so he’s saved himself a whole wage by using him as our CEO.

Assume as AXIS UK was being closed he has decided to save himself a few quid in redundancy payments and employ them in a similar role at stfc as he liked them, regardless of them having any knowledge of how a unique way a football club works


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Andyred83 on Monday, February 12, 2024, 13:33:03
The Axis company wasn't closed by clem, it was wound up in the courts last week by a supplier!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 12, 2024, 13:48:48
Companies House must be wrong/ it was just an honest admin error guv.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12220818/filing-history



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 12, 2024, 13:52:42
Ten months to get a seemingly unopposed insolvency petition processed, the courts really are up against it!

Wonder who James Mark Skelton is - he seems to have replaced Clem as the owner/operator shortly before the insolvency petition. Coincidentally I'm sure.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/TX9PAmPy6icfF6sxIA4HLYtZbq4/appointments

Seems to be another Axis guy, giving his occupation as plumber.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Andyred83 on Monday, February 12, 2024, 13:53:44
I see our Clem has backdated resigning as a director of this company! resigned in Feb 23 but only filed 2 weeks ago Jan 24 just before the court order. It must have been a admin error that it took 50 weeks to file  ::)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 12, 2024, 14:01:57
Sorry if I'm really late to the game (this could have been talked about yonks ago) but I noticed the other significant interests are now both Holly and Christopher Kiely on the website. Does that simply mean that Chris Kiely bought Beth Parladorio's shares from her? (that was only 5% ownership anyway IIRC)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, February 12, 2024, 14:12:33
Sorry if I'm really late to the game (this could have been talked about yonks ago) but I noticed the other significant interests are now both Holly and Christopher Kiely on the website. Does that simply mean that Chris Kiely bought Beth Parladorio's shares from her? (that was only 5% ownership anyway IIRC)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/



The ''Chris Kiely'' who has nothing to do with Swindon Town :-)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 12, 2024, 14:20:46
Sorry if I'm really late to the game (this could have been talked about yonks ago) but I noticed the other significant interests are now both Holly and Christopher Kiely on the website. Does that simply mean that Chris Kiely bought Beth Parladorio's shares from her? (that was only 5% ownership anyway IIRC)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/club/whos-who/



Parladorio's % didn't reach the significant interest threshold, so don't think we can read anything into that either way. Think it's more just acknowledging that Chris and Hollie Kiely may in fact have something to do with one another.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 12, 2024, 16:56:30
Ten months to get a seemingly unopposed insolvency petition processed, the courts really are up against it!

Wonder who James Mark Skelton is - he seems to have replaced Clem as the owner/operator shortly before the insolvency petition. Coincidentally I'm sure.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/TX9PAmPy6icfF6sxIA4HLYtZbq4/appointments

Seems to be another Axis guy, giving his occupation as plumber.


On another of his liquidated companies (Axis M&E UK Ltd), there is another Australian Director called James Mark Skelton with a DOB of December 1983, compared with the Australian called James Mark Skelton with a DOB of December 2003. I'm sure they are two different blokes and its not an administration error.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Monday, February 12, 2024, 17:16:29
More to the point does Mr Mark James Skelton actually exist... or is he an admin error?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, February 12, 2024, 18:00:09
When I’m feeling optimistic I think of it like this - when Clem took over the club it was a falling ball, it still is, but when it hits the floor it will bounce right up - I’m just hopeful this season is the floor.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 09:09:03
If not we’re in big trouble !!.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 09:12:41
We've been in the cellar for years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 09:44:28
In the catacombs below the cellar where the ghosts of past glories roam.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 09:50:52
In the catacombs below the cellar where the ghosts of past glories roam.

There is probably a leased Mercedes down there to boot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 11:50:01
Trust email has been sent with the names of candidates

I see James Spencer has stood down with immediate effect prior to the AGM taking place


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 14:45:31
I see James Spencer has stood down with immediate effect prior to the AGM taking place

(https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/e86e6f82506c37f1fefab0eb74ede73ca604fabcf5c11b1379af828c22100170_1.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 15:48:02
There is probably a leased Mercedes down there to boot.

What about a Bike Rack?  Will somebody find a fucking bike rack.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 16:14:50
What about a Bike Rack?  Will somebody find a fucking bike rack.
Bike racks are important though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 20:42:39
Jason Lane (the twitter sleuth) was on Fools Rush In last night. There wasn't any further significant discoveries, but they did say that their sources (absolutely zero idea of their credibility) understood a significantly wealthy party was interested in buying the club. It's not much but it's something eh. They also mentioned Daniel Wood of the adver had been compiling information for similar article/thread on the trail of inconsistencies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 21:09:40
Jason Lane (the twitter sleuth) was on Fools Rush In last night. There wasn't any further significant discoveries, but they did say that their sources (absolutely zero idea of their credibility) understood a significantly wealthy party was interested in buying the club. It's not much but it's something eh. They also mentioned Daniel Wood of the adver had been compiling information for similar article/thread on the trail of inconsistencies.

That guy is obsessed with Able


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 21:29:34
Morfuni has to go- no ifs or buts

We are 18th in league 2 which is completely unacceptable


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, 21:36:52
Morfuni has to go- no ifs or buts

We are 18th in league 2 which is completely unacceptable

But he saved the club, just so he could then trash it his way


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 13:42:16
Twitter rumour that "an unnamed party who wish not to be named at this time are interested in becoming the new owners of the club".

From @SwindonClub on Twitter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 13:58:13
Twitter rumour that "an unnamed party who wish not to be named at this time are interested in becoming the new owners of the club".

From @SwindonClub on Twitter.

Don't do it Charlie

😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 13:59:07
Twitter rumour that "an unnamed party who wish not to be named at this time are interested in becoming the new owners of the club".

From @SwindonClub on Twitter.

That page only posts stuff when its common knowledge and pretends to be ITK. I'd call a massive pile of bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 14:18:35
Jason Lane (the twitter sleuth) was on Fools Rush In last night. There wasn't any further significant discoveries, but they did say that their sources (absolutely zero idea of their credibility) understood a significantly wealthy party was interested in buying the club. It's not much but it's something eh. They also mentioned Daniel Wood of the adver had been compiling information for similar article/thread on the trail of inconsistencies.

Anyone heard anything similar? Names not necessary just clutching at straws for something positive to hang on to. Hoping the short term nature of everything atm is an exit strategy.   :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: bathford on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 14:42:59
Don't do it Charlie

😁

I can assure you that there are a number of groups / people interested. If they’re happy to take the risk, all I can say is go for it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 14:51:55
How exactly can you assure us there are interested parties?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CambridgeshireRed on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 15:16:02
Jason Lane (the twitter sleuth) was on Fools Rush In last night. There wasn't any further significant discoveries, but they did say that their sources (absolutely zero idea of their credibility) understood a significantly wealthy party was interested in buying the club. It's not much but it's something eh. They also mentioned Daniel Wood of the adver had been compiling information for similar article/thread on the trail of inconsistencies.

My family sit near him in the ground, he is obsessed with Able and convinced they're coming to buy us - allegedly they've been in constant dialogue to buy us and every time a deal is nearly done Clem up's the asking price


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 15:20:35
Just to refresh people’s memories

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/20264288.swindon-towns-100-000-loan-able-was-sham-court-hears/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 17:16:20
If Jason is saying it you can be assured it is bollocks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, February 16, 2024, 20:54:01
it's all bollocks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 09:02:38
Full story behind Adver paywall

The former UK arm of Swindon Town owner Clem Morfuni's international plumbing business has been wound up by a court order over money it owed to other companies.

Axis Services Group Ltd was the replacement for the still in-liquidation Axis M&E UK Ltd, which was considered the main UK business at the time, but with it also now in liquidation, there is no mention of a UK base on the Axis global website

Companies linked to Axis Services Group, Axis Special Projects Limited and Axis Maintenance Services UK Limited, are both still active although both are late filing accounts and both currently have an active proposal to strike off on Companies House.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 12:00:37
I thought all the UK businesses were already gone tbh.

Not directly relevant, but indirectly one wonders if he's struggling to keep his head above water. Yes it's an international company, hopefully some of our it is profitable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 12:31:20
I thought all the UK businesses were already gone tbh.

Not directly relevant, but indirectly one wonders if he's struggling to keep his head above water. Yes it's an international company, hopefully some of our it is profitable.
Let’s be honest, if Hall is the calibre of employee he recruits for his normal business it’s surprising he’s made it last this long.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 19:03:14
How much more shite do we have to put up with before we can get Clem out

Don’t accept we would not be an attractive proposition we get over 8k fans every home game in the bottom tier plus we now own the ground

If Clem stays we will go out of the league within a couple of seasons. Maybe that’s what it will take for some to wake up


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 20:18:02
How much more shite do we have to put up with before we can get Clem out

Don’t accept we would not be an attractive proposition we get over 8k fans every home game in the bottom tier plus we now own the ground

If Clem stays we will go out of the league within a couple of seasons. Maybe that’s what it will take for some to wake up

I genuinely think we'll go down next season with Clem at the wheel heading straight for the cliff.

Giving up on my Clem out tirade now to be honest. Only so much arguing with single digit IQ bootlicking fuckwits you can do.

I'm back to the total apathy stage I was under Power. Was at home today with the ability to watch the game for free and chose to watch a film I've already seen instead. If it was in my back garden I'd have shut the curtains.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 20:22:59
I go I come home as simple as that.
Only knows what keeps me going. The pitch now resembling the team and an owner that is incapable of putting a timescale against anything.

All the momentum has gone and no better than the Lee Power era.
The apathy amongst our fanbase has well and truly set in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 20:27:23
I genuinely think we'll go down next season with Clem at the wheel heading straight for the cliff.

Giving up on my Clem out tirade now to be honest. Only so much arguing with single digit IQ bootlicking fuckwits you can do.

I'm back to the total apathy stage I was under Power. Was at home today with the ability to watch the game for free and chose to watch a film I've already seen instead. If it was in my back garden I'd have shut the curtains.
Loyal supporter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 20:36:51
Loyal supporter.

I've put up with plenty of shite on the pitch over the years, that's not the issue. The issue is the club is rotten from top to bottom with ownership and a lot of the fan base is not only happy to be pissed on and be told its raining, but to open their mouths and have a little taste as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 20:41:51
A Fools Golden Shower?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 21:19:37
I've put up with plenty of shite on the pitch over the years, that's not the issue. The issue is the club is rotten from top to bottom with ownership and a lot of the fan base is not only happy to be pissed on and be told its raining, but to open their mouths and have a little taste as well.
Yep...and it's killing me...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 21:32:04
I've put up with plenty of shite on the pitch over the years, that's not the issue. The issue is the club is rotten from top to bottom with ownership and a lot of the fan base is not only happy to be pissed on and be told its raining, but to open their mouths and have a little taste as well.

This. Never known the fanbase so apathetic seems Clem could do whatever he wants and get away with it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 23:40:19

Giving up on my Clem out tirade now to be honest. Only so much arguing with single digit IQ bootlicking fuckwits you can do.


It's posts like this that are the real problem, it's ok if people have different views to you.  Everyone has a different perspective on whats going on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, February 17, 2024, 23:46:13
Half time whistle I deemed it fit to let my feelings known along with a few others around me, but in equal measure there were the happy clappers applauding the players off, cue the inevitable arguments amongst supporters, one of which called me out for wearing a orange hat whilst giving me a lecture on how Clem saved us. These fans will still be clapping when we inevitably get relegated next season, not sure if I have it in me to fight on anymore, I just don’t understand how so many fans still are 100% behind Morfuni.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 01:11:18
It's posts like this that are the real problem, it's ok if people have different views to you.  Everyone has a different perspective on whats going on.

However, they’re not allowed to express them? In any way?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 01:23:29
My family sit near him in the ground, he is obsessed with Able and convinced they're coming to buy us - allegedly they've been in constant dialogue to buy us and every time a deal is nearly done Clem up's the asking price
I called him out when I said power was a front for able and that money they lent came from Keith cousins

He then said it was bullshit until I showed him the court article and he hasn’t said anything since soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 02:25:56
Half time whistle I deemed it fit to let my feelings known along with a few others around me, but in equal measure there were the happy clappers applauding the players off, cue the inevitable arguments amongst supporters, one of which called me out for wearing a orange hat whilst giving me a lecture on how Clem saved us. These fans will still be clapping when we inevitably get relegated next season, not sure if I have it in me to fight on anymore, I just don’t understand how so many fans still are 100% behind Morfuni.

The 100% factor has destroyed me a bit. Despite everything that has been said and done by the owners it's not even knocking a few % off.

Like chalkywhite im done with it for now. i wanted to kick up a fuss for when clem was it town and the forum did a lot of that. there is nothing else really now, this season will fizzle out and we will get new promises given out ready for season tickets.

im checking results and will have a read on here but thats me done for this season. no point getting annoyed at the team when 2/3rds wont be here next year anyway. the damage is done for this season you would hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 07:21:46
Half time whistle I deemed it fit to let my feelings known along with a few others around me, but in equal measure there were the happy clappers applauding the players off, cue the inevitable arguments amongst supporters, one of which called me out for wearing a orange hat whilst giving me a lecture on how Clem saved us. These fans will still be clapping when we inevitably get relegated next season, not sure if I have it in me to fight on anymore, I just don’t understand how so many fans still are 100% behind Morfuni.

I’ve said it plenty of times before & I’ll say it again.

A lot of people will support Clem because he’s the only game in Town, it’s a one horse.

Until there is a publicly know investor or investors saying they want to buy the club and what they wish to do with the club going forward - support will not falter enough…


At the moment it’s Clem vs No one.
It needs to Clem vs Someone who can take the club forward.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 07:22:39
I called him out when I said power was a front for able and that money they lent came from Keith cousins

He then said it was bullshit until I showed him the court article and he hasn’t said anything since soapy tit wank

I do think the original 2019 edition of Able were 'the' Able, but yeah by the end, it definitely didn't seem that way.

I notice that Bill Keravuori, who was the main name from the original Able bid, his wife is investing $100mn into a Boston Women's football team which looks to include Able building the stadium.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 08:21:31
The 100% factor has destroyed me a bit. Despite everything that has been said and done by the owners it's not even knocking a few % off.

Like chalkywhite im done with it for now. i wanted to kick up a fuss for when clem was it town and the forum did a lot of that. there is nothing else really now, this season will fizzle out and we will get new promises given out ready for season tickets.

im checking results and will have a read on here but thats me done for this season. no point getting annoyed at the team when 2/3rds wont be here next year anyway. the damage is done for this season you would hope.
So you’re saying that fans that turn up to watch their team are supporting Clem? I don’t give a flying fuck about Clem but I do give a flying fuck about my team. You can support one without the other.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 08:22:02
However, they’re not allowed to express them? In any way?

I quoted a specific part of the post.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 10:17:55
I went to AFC Wimbledon rather than the CG yesterday.  I felt like a street urchin who had found himself in a luxury pad.  And, unlike MKs gross, 80% empty Wanklestad, it was 90% full (apart from the Morecambe end).  They plan an extension too.

Wide, modern and well lit concourses, loads of well staffed, accessible food and drink outlets inc. beer (some actual machines to serve your own Guinness), outdoor areas in which to congregate on warmer days, plenty of clean loos, any number of screens of varying size showing Sky football etc.  The kind of venue where you can turn up an hour before the match and relax with friends and SPEND money.  A decent pitch too - albeit there is no undersoil heating.

The ground is 100% owned by a Fans' Trust and the club's company ownership is fan based with, I believe 80%+ control of voting rights and 3,000 members or so.  The club does face financial pressure with loans on the building costs of the Ground, of course and that limits its playing budget.

I fear that if ever we do develop our ground, whether under Clem or A.N. Other, STFC will end up burdened with a club-destroying debt for a construction process that will have profited its owners and sidekicks.  Not that there is any talk or prospect of developing the CG anyway from a club that has virtually zero 1st team coaching and a disintegrating pitch.

I'm not (yet) sold on fan ownership and I had really thought STFC may have found a way with private ownership and a Trust shadow board.  But there is clearly a cancer in the ownership of STFC that can only be removed by clearing out the whole of the obtuse, existing framework.  Morfuni is simply not up to the job.  Excuse the political analogy but, for me the affectionate "Clem" moniker has worn as thin as the "Boris" moniker for Johnson.  You need more substance, a lot more, to head a football club or country successfully.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 10:19:19
Funnily enough we had a couple of Wimbledon chants going yesterday  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 10:27:49
Funnily enough we had a couple of Wimbledon chants going yesterday  :)
Swindon were Dons' second team for the day yesterday but we let them down as well as ourselves.  Back to my own hovel for Tuesday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 10:54:21
Someone on twitter said they heard a rumour that club shop was going online only, and was being turned into a restaurant?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 10:58:54
Mmmmm! Shirt and chips for 2 please with a side order of double bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 11:01:40
Applauding the players isn’t supporting Clem. Directing anger at the team isn’t the way to go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 11:05:30
Someone on twitter said they heard a rumour that club shop was going online only, and was being turned into a restaurant?!

I am not ITK at all on most things, but I have also heard this from someone close to the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 11:53:29
wtaf


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 12:38:08
There are a lot of decent jokes in an STFC takeaway to be fair.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 12:46:34
STFC shop restaurant, menu choices:

fish and chips*
* awaiting stock of chips, due in late November


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 13:09:19
Imagine taking the mrs out for a romantic meal at the back of the Town End 😂😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 13:10:06
Don’t want to be taking her round the back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 13:15:52
 Clems cafe maybe, ok for a snack counterfeit shirt & cigarettes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 14:40:14
Such a stupid idea and yet entirely conceivable with this team. People should bring back the pin badges, bucket hats, even the retro remake shirts themselves. Bootleg the fuck out of the operation, they ain't interested. And then it'll be your fault we're stuck in the doldrums because you didn't drive down for a pasta pomodoro twice a week. I'm sure the club that's spent almost three years haggling over a £100k catering contract and over a year recruiting a sous chef for hospitality will be well on course to a michelin star. Politely speaking, Twats.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 15:20:41
Stupid question, but is it a suggestion as part of the mythical stadium development?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 15:41:04
I have long lamented the fact the clubs makes pitiful use of the square footage it has leased, and adding an establishment linked into the ethos of a football club that fronts the Magic Roundabout would make sense.  I am not sure removing a shop that sells merchandise to football fans on a the day of a football match would be the best idea - but you could certainly move it.  I wouldn't go fully online though, not when you have so much available floor space to use.  I think you could maybe staff it on less days, I doubt walk-up traffic is currently that much (nothing else there to bring people to the area), but as you add more facilities, it would make good sense.  Atlanta Utd have their club shop in a retail area about 5 miles away from where the stadium is, then they have an onsite shop (bigger) that is open on matchdays only.  It needs the footfall to be worth opening, and they have 40k+ attendances.  The area around their stadium is now being developed with retail/commercial, so they may also open more as that happens.

In short, a bit of the idea is not crazy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 15:52:47
From what I've heard it's extending/splitting the space, so keeping a slightly smaller club shop and then a revenue generating business.   


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 15:53:45
Sex shop would do well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 16:04:10
From what I've heard it's extending/splitting the space, so keeping a slightly smaller club shop and then a revenue generating business.   
The club shop is too small as it is, making it smaller would be ludicrous. The only reason it doesn’t feel too small is because it’s never got any stock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 16:10:49
Sex shop would do well.

"STFC: Let's all go down together"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 16:15:29
69 was very memorable :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 16:48:36
From what I've heard it's extending/splitting the space, so keeping a slightly smaller club shop and then a revenue generating business.   

The fact the club shop isn’t seen as a revenue generating business is a shame

Don’t see how a tiny restaurant would work. The kitchens are a fucking mile away


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 17:11:02
The fact the club shop isn’t seen as a revenue generating business is a shame

Don’t see how a tiny restaurant would work. The kitchens are a fucking mile away

It's more about maximising revenue/space - its a bit silly to say they don't see the club shop as a revenue generating business.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 17:37:09
If they close it down for a food outlet that surely means they don't see it as one do they? That's not silly


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 17:41:09
Swindon football kit & tat is a very niche product.

I’d imagine it’s the type of product that if people are going to buy - then they will buy whether that’s online or in a shop.

I can’t imagine many people go in there on whim just to have a look & end up buying something they hadn’t planned on buying…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 17:42:56
If they wanted to put a restaurant in there. Would it not be more cost effective to tart up the hospitality room and use that as one on non match days?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 17:43:37
Cant wait for a zany restaurant menu

The Robins Burger
Don Rogers loaded fries
Lee Power smashed pattie
The Taylor Currant bun


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 17:51:13
If they wanted to put a restaurant in there. Would be not be more cost effective to tart up the hospitality room and use that as one on non match days?

No, because nobody will know it is there.  Just as nobody has much of an idea about using any of that space when it is available for conferences, events etc.  Part of that problem is a lack of Sales staff and plan.

The location of the Club shop would be ideal for a proper Sports Bar - people would see it that are not necessarily STFC fans.  It's a lot of work to make it worthwhile, and you'd likely sub let the space to an operator rather than try that yourself.

The Club shop could easily be split located - one in the Arkells concourse on Matchdays and one in the DR stand - this one should be visible and accessible from the outside and be located near the new Sport Bar.

That could all work - in an ideal world it would be part of a Master Development plan.  The sort of things you could do within three years with less Capital Investment.  Almost temporary in nature for some things, while you work on the grander plan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 18:31:46
At Stadium MK there is a Papa Johns franchise that has a store front that operates 7 days a week and then sells pizza on match day in the ground as an outlet. That type of thing could definitely work, rather than an actual sit down restaurant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 18:36:26
A Kebab Van near the green may work seven days a week :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 18:40:15
Depends what sort of food venue it is. I’m no expert but I can’t imagine any scenario where it becomes used regularly other than matchday. With Miller and Carter up the road, old town a short distance, Burger King, Town Centre and Greenbridge in close proximity, there’s a lot of competition with more convenient location


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 18:41:41
Then the council would probably fuck it up and charge for parking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:02:39
So you’re saying that fans that turn up to watch their team are supporting Clem? I don’t give a flying fuck about Clem but I do give a flying fuck about my team. You can support one without the other.

Definitely didn't say that or suggest it. I meant that the people who have 100% support for Clem are still 100% in support and have no doubts at all despite everything that's happened.

personally I couldn't care less about this season anymore. we are in this league to get promoted, we aren't going to, we probably won't get relegated and barely any of these players I would be cheering will be here next season.

Once we are mathematically safe i'd go as far as saying I hope we lose every fixture after. Sad to say that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:06:01
I don’t understand why. Who wants their team to lose?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:07:18
Depends what sort of food venue it is. I’m no expert but I can’t imagine any scenario where it becomes used regularly other than matchday. With Miller and Carter up the road, old town a short distance, Burger King, Town Centre and Greenbridge in close proximity, there’s a lot of competition with more convenient location

This is why leasing the space to a franchise makes the most sense. Club don’t have to worry about anything other than getting a guaranteed income. In the modern days of Uber eats & Deliveroo geographical location isn’t particularly important.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:07:51
Re : food outlet.

You can certainly see the club needs non matchday revenue. But I'd hope that the club shop doesn't go 100% online - also need ticket collection facilities to be retained.

Can see a space being rented out as per the mk suggestion would work. Why don't we put a card wash in the car park as well 😁

Suppose we'll have to wait and see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:38:16
I don’t understand why. Who wants their team to lose?

Someone who sees that as a means to an end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:45:04
Has that worked at any club. Ever.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:46:55
The more games we lose, the more fans that will turn on the club which may help force some form of protest. I can see the logic behind it.

I wouldn’t say personally I want us to lose, I just don’t care any more. Win, lose or draw, I feel the same.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 20:04:33
How long did it take Oyston, the convicted rapist, to leave Blackpool? And when he did go he chose when, not because of fans’ protests.

Tbh, I’ve wanted us to lose to get rid of a manager but that is pretty much a given. Getting rid of an owner has never worked out afaik


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 20:20:32
Has that worked at any club. Ever.

I don’t have the time or inclination to look. I just provided an answer to the question. Personally I still think starving the club of money is the only viable way forward. Unless someone can come forward with a well thought out and researched plan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 20:55:55
Quote from: Quagmire
Win, lose or draw, I feel the same.

the ace of spades
the ace of spades ...

(isn't that the card of death, seems apt)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 21:00:20
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
Personally I still think starving the club of money is the only viable way forward. Unless someone can come forward with a well thought out and researched plan.

I get what you are saying but the risk there is we take our (very real) possible exit from the EFL and turn it into a certainty. Because sure as hell budgets will be further cut.

Not that I blame people for doing it mind.

If only there was a proper credible alternative waiting to take over with the cash to stabilise and progress us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 22:06:45
I wouldn't like a food outlet instead of a shop but yes, a recognised pizza chain that could do deliveries straight off the roundabout 7 days a week would arguably be income generating. It's the same as these grand 'hotel' ideas, partnering with an established chain would be more palatable than going it alone. The last JV scoping survey I had from the Trust was asking things like 'if I'd go to a fanzone on a non matchday to have something to eat'. That's the kind of half baked mentality that's got us exactly where we are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 22:53:30

Cant wait for a zany restaurant menu

The Robins Burger
Don Rogers loaded fries
Lee Power smashed pattie
The Taylor Currant bun


''Try our new menu...
The Adam 'Hart Stopper' Wagyu Burger
or
The Anchovy 'Hall' Filet O'fish, specially marinated in bullshit

Every main comes with a side of our signature 'Freeloader Fries'. Stock is available for a limited time, so book your table today and get a free Zav 'Hey Man, I'm Just A Guest!' Austin Keyring. Must quote 'Matchday Guest' when booking. Offers not transferable. VISA accepted. T&Cs apply.''


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, February 18, 2024, 22:53:47
If they close it down for a food outlet that surely means they don't see it as one do they? That's not silly

Agreed but it was in response to my post that it would be a club shop with another revenue generating business. I wasn't suggesting that a club shop isn't revenue generating .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Monday, February 19, 2024, 07:19:54
The club shop only generates real revenue on match days, any other time it probably struggles to run at a profit so yeah I can see why in this day and age an online superstore makes sense. Maybe on match days they can have a pop up shop or something on the concourse in the stands. Letting out that space would actually be a logical idea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, February 19, 2024, 08:05:06
I get what you are saying but the risk there is we take our (very real) possible exit from the EFL and turn it into a certainty. Because sure as hell budgets will be further cut.

Not that I blame people for doing it mind.

If only there was a proper credible alternative waiting to take over with the cash to stabilise and progress us.

Well, see, if individuals ARE making offers to buy the club then why are they not being entertained to do so? In addition, by keeping the club going and continually paying through ticket sales and other revenue streams it only encourages those in power to keep going. They only keep going because there’s money in it for them. As I have said many times they’re not here for altruistic reasons. Money talks, money makes money and somewhere in some way they ARE making money. If you want to kill the serpent you cut off its head, financially speaking.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 19, 2024, 08:33:45
That depends on whether they are making their money from the footballing side of the business or ‘other avenues’. Maybe the hangers on have far more sway with what Clem can and cannot do than we think.

If Clem is seeing his Axis business crumbling - in the UK anyway - how and why would he continue to pump money into the club - if, indeed, he has/is. There’s far more to this than Clem just ‘owning’ a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, February 19, 2024, 09:15:48
Some single storey units built where the fixtures board is and let out to businesses could work if permission was given and would be a good idea. Requires investment.

Carving the shop up and trying to sell burgers from Bookers cash and carry themselves will fall on its arse.

Knowing this lot, theyll go for the half baked cheap option.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, February 19, 2024, 09:22:48
That depends on whether they are making their money from the footballing side of the business or ‘other avenues’. Maybe the hangers on have far more sway with what Clem can and cannot do than we think.

If Clem is seeing his Axis business crumbling - in the UK anyway - how and why would he continue to pump money into the club - if, indeed, he has/is. There’s far more to this than Clem just ‘owning’ a football club.

Of course there is, same goes with all football clubs I suspect.

Remember he pumped £1.15m was it into the club for a 10% share and profits on transfer dealings. The question now therefore is he throwing good money after bad to recoup his original investment when infact all he’s doing is getting in deeper and deeper without any light at the end of the tunnel? If he is indeed putting his own additional money into the club is he in danger of losing that as well as the original investment? Or are his actions a holding position until Standing has resolved his spat with Power? If that is a yes then it is likely to answer many questions not least the direction of the club. Once Power v Standing has been resolved then I suspect Clem will be off one way or another. The cost cutting is a desperate attempt to keep the boat afloat long enough to divest himself of the club and its liabilities aka running costs which I think may have caught him out TBF. If and when he does go as has been said, who do we end up with? Another shower of nare do wells with shady backgrounds looking to milk a cash cow or someone with substance and integrity who can make this club what it should be and have a vision to take it forward properly.

I’m fed up of putting hard earned money into something that does not offer me anything but false hope and is infact in a position worse than when I started following the club in the early 70’s.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 19, 2024, 10:27:34
Perhaps, in the spirit of *some* of the no doubt baseless rumours about what the club ownership are up to, a branch of Los Pollos Hermanos?

Los Petirrojos Swindanos! (I wish I could draw, that would be a fun mock up logo...)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 19, 2024, 13:57:02
I'm surprised they haven't just stuck a Launderette's in there and at some point Zav will need a classroom to get the Scholarships sorted I presume, so that the kids from Karachi can get their lessons from our substantial Coaching pool.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 19, 2024, 16:02:54
Here you go, Clem. Only 11 years ago, too.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Monday, February 19, 2024, 16:10:56
I'm surprised they haven't just stuck a Launderette's in there and at some point Zav will need a classroom to get the Scholarships sorted I presume, so that the kids from Karachi can get their lessons from our substantial Coaching pool.
But it wouldn't get your sheets clean would it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Monday, February 19, 2024, 16:12:47
So you’re saying that fans that turn up to watch their team are supporting Clem? I don’t give a flying fuck about Clem but I do give a flying fuck about my team. You can support one without the other.
That's also my take for what it's worth.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 19, 2024, 16:40:20

Here you go, Clem. Only 11 years ago, too.


Crazy to think of the immensely differing fortunes of that Top 12 in that season.

Three team in Brentford, Bournemouth and Sheff Utd have been or are in the top flight currently {with some yoyo action but they've all sustained Championship at least.

The rest I think, have all dropped to the bottom division at least, with about 4 actually going non-league  :(


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, February 19, 2024, 16:50:41
Crazy to think of the immensely differing fortunes of that Top 12 in that season.

Three team in Brentford, Bournemouth and Sheff Utd have been or are in the top flight currently {with some yoyo action but they've all sustained Championship at least.

The rest I think, have all dropped to the bottom division at least, with about 4 actually going non-league  :(

Even Yeovil managed to get promoted ffs

(Lokk at them now though)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 19, 2024, 17:34:19
Confused. Thought this extravaganza was being held at the CG.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, February 19, 2024, 17:36:18
Confused. Thought this extravaganza was being held at the CG.



What bit?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 19, 2024, 17:38:56
It's pretty clear, it's an After Party, to carry on the drinking.  It's Mr Watts' thing, maybe he'll be on the decks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 19, 2024, 17:39:44
The bit where it says where it’s being held. On the email it says underneath the pic ‘we look forward to seeing you at the CG’.

#outoftouch.com


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 19, 2024, 17:54:17
I'm always a bit uncomfortable with anything linked to the club having the title ''Power'' in it  :headhurts:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Monday, February 19, 2024, 20:00:38
The apathy of our fans knows no bounds

Perhaps they will wake up next year when we are rooted adrift in the bottom 2


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 01:27:44
Gunning's words might be true regarding L2 being shit but I think they will possibly come back to bite him on the bum - and very firmly and agressively so.

If L2 is so shite and with Town heading for their worse ever league finish...how shite does that make STFC {potentially about 3rd or 4th most shite team in all of the 92 current professional league clubs}?

What then does that speak of the credentials of said board, management, and playing personnel of said Football League {currently} club?

Because to me, with current evidence and guise...that makes all mentioned above pretty damn shite as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 08:56:20
Gunning's words might be true regarding L2 being shit but I think they will possibly come back to bite him on the bum - and very firmly and agressively so.

If L2 is so shite and with Town heading for their worse ever league finish...how shite does that make STFC {potentially about 3rd or 4th most shite team in all of the 92 current professional league clubs}?

What then does that speak of the credentials of said board, management, and playing personnel of said Football League {currently} club?

Because to me, with current evidence and guise...that makes all mentioned above pretty damn shite as well.

It's a terrible league and a bit of pragmatism (a big commanding centre back, a holding mid who can tackle and some wingers with pace who can cross), I honestly don't think it's that hard to get out of


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 09:48:44
It's a terrible league and a bit of pragmatism (a big commanding centre back, a holding mid who can tackle and some wingers with pace who can cross), I honestly don't think it's that hard to get out of
This 100%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 10:14:35
Looking forward to seeing the accounts in the next week  :toocool:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 10:50:20
It's a terrible league and a bit of pragmatism (a big commanding centre back, a holding mid who can tackle and some wingers with pace who can cross), I honestly don't think it's that hard to get out of

If it was that simple everyone would be doing it though right?

Its the richest league 2 perhaps ever and i think its therefore fair to claim its the strongest the league has ever been. So while league 2 may remain a terrible league, its not quite as simple as this.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 10:03:11
Interesting thread

https://x.com/h_theduck/status/1760449654754251065?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 10:14:24
There are quite a lot of missing factors not considered to be truly meaningful.
I think we knew the club was being run badly, it just makes me wear my orange beanie and scowl slightly more


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 10:49:07
Slightly related, but it looks like Rochdale are staring down the barrel of liquidation. They were infested with the Curran cabal a couple of years ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 11:29:53
Slightly related, but it looks like Rochdale are staring down the barrel of liquidation. They were infested with the Curran cabal a couple of years ago.

They’re actually fan run now I believe, and just can’t afford to do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 11:33:44
Slightly related, but it looks like Rochdale are staring down the barrel of liquidation. They were infested with the Curran cabal a couple of years ago.
Good luck to them, they have been badly run for many seasons, I hope they find a valid buyer soon. Curran is an absolute conman.

They’re actually fan run now I believe, and just can’t afford to do it.
And this is one reason I do not want us to be fan owned.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 11:46:31
Interesting thread

https://x.com/h_theduck/status/1760449654754251065?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

It’s really not

Declining teams continue to decline.
The really interesting stats would be how many teams turns it around and how do they do it? (aka how much money do they throw at it?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 11:58:18
It’s really not

Declining teams continue to decline.
The really interesting stats would be how many teams turns it around and how do they do it? (aka how much money do they throw at it?)
I think it is interesting, with your caveat included. It doesn't paint a full picture but it does highlight the dangers of lingering around lower L2 too long and hoping there'll be 2 worse teams than you.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 17:07:18
Interesting point from Rochdale's chairman in the Price of Football podcast is there's lots of willing American investors out there, but not really entertaining anything but a 90% or more stake. Potentially dampens our prospects unless Kiely's and Parladorio's are willing sellers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 17:51:54
Torquay have are or about to go into admin according to their owner as he cannot afford to run them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 18:56:59
Torquay have are or about to go into admin according to their owner as he cannot afford to run them.

Same mob that fucked over Swindon Speedway!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 19:51:56
Same mob that fucked over Swindon Speedway!

The Torquay guy is the guy thats fucked over multiple clubs before right? Promises ground development, and ends up selling it to developers. Or am i getting him confused.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lardy Cake on Friday, February 23, 2024, 09:45:46
The Torquay guy is the guy thats fucked over multiple clubs before right? Promises ground development, and ends up selling it to developers. Or am i getting him confused.
Clarke Osborne took control of TUFC in December 2016 from a fan led consortium who couldn't afford to run the club !
His firm, Gaming International also owns Abbey Stadium and tried to build a ground for Bristol Rovers when Ikea bought Eastville.
One part of the nature of his business is "buying and selling of own real estate" as per Companies House.
Perhaps he will turn up at STFC next. :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, February 23, 2024, 10:08:31
Clarke Osborne took control of TUFC in December 2016 from a fan led consortium who couldn't afford to run the club !
His firm, Gaming International also owns Abbey Stadium and tried to build a ground for Bristol Rovers when Ikea bought Eastville.
One part of the nature of his business is "buying and selling of own real estate" as per Companies House.
Perhaps he will turn up at STFC next. :eek:
Think we already have that here don’t we?! Let’s be brutally honest here, the only reason Morfuni got involved here was to try and make money from any ground redevelopment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, February 23, 2024, 10:11:23
Not STFC related, but i see Grimsby have appointed Polly Bancroft as a CEO

Man Utd head of womens football. Before joining United, she was women’s team General Manager at Brighton & Hove Albion, director of the women’s team at Nottingham Forest and also held roles with UEFA and the FA.

So what i am saying is, there are people out there with football experience to do the role





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 10:36:43
Think we already have that here don’t we?! Let’s be brutally honest here, the only reason Morfuni got involved here was to try and make money from any ground redevelopment.
How does he make money from that? How does he even finance any redevelopment let alone make money from it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, February 23, 2024, 10:49:47
Can imagine the initial plan was to use axis as lead contractor on any redevelopment work. Everything since has been an exercise in getting his investment back


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 10:50:34
Ah, the now extinct UK arm of Axis.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 23, 2024, 10:54:36
Can imagine the initial plan was to use axis as lead contractor on any redevelopment work. Everything since has been an exercise in getting his investment back

Although at face value, this appears to have mostly involved throwing good money after bad.

On a personal level, this whole thing feels like a fucking disaster for Clem financially and emotionally, which is why I find it so hard to believe he isn't looking to sell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, February 23, 2024, 11:35:24
Although at face value, this appears to have mostly involved throwing good money after bad.

On a personal level, this whole thing feels like a fucking disaster for Clem financially and emotionally, which is why I find it so hard to believe he isn't looking to sell.

Should call his company Icarus instead of Axis


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Friday, February 23, 2024, 12:01:16
Although at face value, this appears to have mostly involved throwing good money after bad.

On a personal level, this whole thing feels like a fucking disaster for Clem financially and emotionally, which is why I find it so hard to believe he isn't looking to sell.

I have no doubt the rumours about him wanting a sale are true. I'd be very surprised if we didn't have a new owner by the summer. The longer he keeps the club the less valuable it is. A club in League 2 is going to cost more than a club in the National League.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, February 23, 2024, 12:12:50
Although at face value, this appears to have mostly involved throwing good money after bad.


There’s very little evidence since he was handed the keys that clem is good at business


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 23, 2024, 12:26:51
I imagine Clem (and/or whoever is behind Clem) are going to want all their directors loans paying up in full as part of the sale - which would inflate the price, right?

So any new owner would need money upfront to buy the football club & pay off all its debt.
Can’t see many people queuing up to do that…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, February 23, 2024, 12:39:05
but but but Clemmy told us he was wiping the debt


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 12:40:26
I’m no expert but wouldn’t the debt have an effect on the selling price - i.e. the more debt there is, the less the club would be worth.

Don’t forget, Clem paid next to nothing for the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 23, 2024, 13:59:35
Depends what Clem is willing to take for his shares - just because the debt to him is £7m for e.g. don't mean to say that is what someone is willing to pay - he may decide for e.g. he would accept £5m as it stops him having to put more money in and be owed even more that someone would not pay, and he is happy to get out and lose that £2m - or the £2m maybe repayable on stfc reaching the promised land within 10 years for e.g.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, February 23, 2024, 14:19:01
I still don’t believe for one second Morfuni ever had £7m to put into the club or has personally put in that value.

Whose money has really gone into the club is anyone’s guess but I doubt a sale of ‘his’ shares is a decision Morfuni can make alone.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 23, 2024, 14:58:30
Yeah, I don't really buy it either. He's had to put money in, but he's probably just 'borrowed' that from some of his mates to pay it back in services, hence why the club is losing so much money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 23, 2024, 15:07:29
Isn't that shown in the detailed accounts? Oh wait....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, February 23, 2024, 15:41:50
Isn't that shown in the detailed accounts? Oh wait....

Its ok, we are Fairgames guinea pig when it comes to the explanation of the accounts.

Had to be us, their first one didnt it

https://x.com/fairgameuk/status/1760017060132683787?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:42:12
I see Oxford submit planning for their new stadium

Whereas we havent actually done anything with ours at all since taking ownership?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:44:29
I read they are going to power the entire thing by solar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:47:05
Yeah, first one in the country, all electric


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:50:08
Are they going to have a row of solar panels at one end instead of a stand, to keep it the traditional Pox way?
Perhaps they could utilise the hot air from the stands.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:51:30
Believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:55:20
At least they seem to have some sort of a plan!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 16:57:22
Cunning!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 23, 2024, 17:02:08
Possibly two new stadiums in the time we’ve been fucking around with promises!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 17:14:48
Come on - the Kassam! Chez Shithole


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 23, 2024, 17:32:50
Well there is that I suppose :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, February 23, 2024, 17:39:32
Possibly two new stadiums in the time we’ve been fucking around with promises!
and a few years in the conference with dodgy owners


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, February 23, 2024, 18:00:11
Depends what Clem is willing to take for his shares - just because the debt to him is £7m for e.g. don't mean to say that is what someone is willing to pay - he may decide for e.g. he would accept £5m as it stops him having to put more money in and be owed even more that someone would not pay, and he is happy to get out and lose that £2m - or the £2m maybe repayable on stfc reaching the promised land within 10 years for e.g.

Whoever buys the club when it is officially put up for sale, is likely to pay the true value over a period of time a bit like a transfer to mitigate any tax liabilities. Of course they still have to pay the amount agreed but unless the new owners are awash with cash then that’s how I’d expect any monies to be paid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 23, 2024, 18:07:02
and a few years in the conference with dodgy owners

Hmmmm sounds like we’re on our way to emulating them!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 24, 2024, 10:16:55
I read they are going to power the entire thing by solar.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, February 26, 2024, 17:40:22
I see the club have started a gofundme to raise money for a sensory room.

A sensory room is a great idea, but is this not something the club should be paying for?

How are they going to afford to redevelop the ground?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 26, 2024, 17:43:17
How are they going to afford to redevelop the ground?
They never will.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Monday, February 26, 2024, 17:45:15
Sell the mystery Mercedes to webuyanycar


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 26, 2024, 17:49:18
I see the club have started a gofundme to raise money for a sensory room.

A sensory room is a great idea, but is this not something the club should be paying for?

How are they going to afford to redevelop the ground?

5k is a lot of money to find. They can't even sort a fucking bike rack efficiently so how do you expect them to be competent in something that would be tremendous help to a number of our more vulnerable fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, February 26, 2024, 17:50:06
5k is a lot of money to find. They can't even sort a fucking bike rack efficiently so how do you expect them to be competent in something that would be tremendous help to a number of our more vulnerable fans.

I forgot about the bike rack tbh


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 26, 2024, 18:42:54
Bike racks are incredibly hard to source, extremely expensive, and notoriously difficult to position when you have a huge amount of external wall space and paved areas.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 26, 2024, 18:49:27
I mean, look, it took me well over 30 seconds to find this - 30 seconds!  Time isn't free you know.

https://www.thebikestoragecompany.co.uk/product/floor-mounted-cycle-rack/

Then you'd need to secure it to the floor, I mean, where do you even find such things?

https://www.thebikestoragecompany.co.uk/product/secure-cycle-ground-anchor/

The club would have been bled dry by such a project, having to divert countless employee's to sourcing, purchasing, construction and then ongoing maintenance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, February 26, 2024, 18:54:29
I mean, look, it took me well over 30 seconds to find this - 30 seconds!  Time isn't free you know.

https://www.thebikestoragecompany.co.uk/product/floor-mounted-cycle-rack/

Then you'd need to secure it to the floor, I mean, where do you even find such things?

https://www.thebikestoragecompany.co.uk/product/secure-cycle-ground-anchor/

The club would have been bled dry by such a project, having to divert countless employee's to sourcing, purchasing, construction and then ongoing maintenance.

Perhaps Jeds mate who did the Townend bar could help out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 26, 2024, 19:09:56
Bike racks are incredibly hard to source, extremely expensive, and notoriously difficult to position when you have a huge amount of external wall space and paved areas.

They'll probably eventually put it slap bang in that perma-puddle outside the corner of TE and DRS


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 26, 2024, 20:01:47
Surely just take two ''matchday guests'' off the VIP Hospitality list and voila, c5k off the misc. account and into the ''Charitable Projects''.

Bleddy GoFundMe...it's fecking nominal. The thing is, they would get the funding probably via community grants/funding if they partnered with STFC FiTC.

Mind you, Clem would then parade it as if he had personally gifted the sensory room to the fans that used it. Would probably raise the price of Disabled STs in the same year too  :crash:






#AndItAllWasBullshit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, February 26, 2024, 20:17:19
They never will.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 26, 2024, 23:02:50
Quote from: RobertT
I mean, look, it took me well over 30 seconds to find this - 30 seconds!  Time isn't free you know.

https://www.thebikestoragecompany.co.uk/product/floor-mounted-cycle-rack/ (https://www.thebikestoragecompany.co.uk/product/floor-mounted-cycle-rack/)
.

Have they started the Klama application yet?
------------------

wonder if we will be able to pay for season tickets but credit card this year? or if the historic debt credit damage story will be trotted out again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 26, 2024, 23:18:00
I donated to the sensory room crowdfunder because I think it could be great but I think, on face value, it's really shameful that club employees have to do this and I dare say a month ago the reaction would have been far more heated.

The CG has been away from council ownership for less than a year and they're already going straight to the fans for assistance. Not co-ordinated via the fan groups, straight to the fans. Doesn't seem right to me.

Perhaps if it succeeds then this will become a regular endeavour? Then you'll see the bike rack installed.

Inevitably, there will be an excruciating attempt of an explanation which some will accept, others won't whilst the rest will continue to live their joyously apathy-fuelled STFC supporting lives.

Sunrise/sunset.

EDIT: ...and to add, if this was a case of it being more of a passion project that the club won't fund due to priorities elsewhere then that still needs to be communicated.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 26, 2024, 23:55:31
Apparently the kit for next season has been leaked...

Said to reflect the open and transparent image of the club, although it's rumoured the owner thinks it says "I'm Perfect"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 09:12:04

The CG has been away from council ownership for less than a year and they're already going straight to the fans for assistance. Not co-ordinated via the fan groups, straight to the fans. Doesn't seem right to me.


This is key for me, then they expect us to believe there are plans to redevelop the ground. Magic beans is it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 09:19:47
The hoardings above the club shop fell off over a month ago and haven't been replaced.

Undersoil heating is being considered mind  :girlgiggle:

2 days until the accounts are due..  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 09:51:46
Stagnated for years, the fans don't know much different.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 09:58:07
We’re on the road to nowhere🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: chalkies shorts on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 10:25:22
If the club said they were going to use the money fans had donated by not claiming their season ticket money back to build a sensory room, think of the positive PR.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 10:49:00
Season ticket campaign must be soon  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 11:15:01
I don’t buy one get one free would help sales much at the moment :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 11:49:55
wonder if we will be able to pay for season tickets but credit card this year? or if the historic debt credit damage story will be trotted out again

'legacy issues' everything since that has contributed towards it is a simple admin error, don't you know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 11:53:40
This is key for me, then they expect us to believe there are plans to redevelop the ground. Magic beans is it?

The hoardings above the club shop fell off over a month ago and haven't been replaced.

Undersoil heating is being considered mind  :girlgiggle:

2 days until the accounts are due..  :sherlock:

Can't call those that believe Clem gullible or anything though. They simply just have a differing view that they're entitled to, you'll be reminded ad nauseam.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 12:39:05
Now that I think back, did we ever get receipts that the money raised for the mythical Joe was ever given to the good causes it was supposedly ring fenced for?  The little kid who sent some coins to McKirdy.  The cynic in me would now wonder if a matchday guest had not got creative at half time one week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 13:54:42
I read that the young lady (Caroline ?) who has setup the Go Fund Me page ahs secured investment from the club towards it but it is something she is quite passionate about so is going external to try and find the rest of the money, which on the face of it is fine.

BUT what would be better is saying that a sensory room in the Arkells is going to cost £xx,xxx to setup correctly with out cutting corners, the club have put in £1 so she is then ready to crowd fund the rest of it from local businesses and the local community

But how does this fit in with the redevelopment, don't want it to be ripped out when they come to redeveloping the Arkells eventually.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 13:57:45
And therein lays the point!

It's not necessarily about the method, it's simply the constant scattergun bodge it and fix it approach.

The club, with the JV, should have a Master Plan by now.  Within that would be a series of short, medium and long term investment decisions.  Of course, everyone knows, the Bike Rack is what the entire thing hinges on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 13:59:15
And the car park space for the Mercedes statue complete with a bust of Taylor Curran holding a sponge washing the wheels


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 14:05:50
Club could ask for volunteers to form a mobile human bike rack on match days or round up the most recalcitrant nay sayers.

Keks down, bend em all over a railing & job done.
Free half time draw ticket thrown in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 14:07:30
And the car park space for the Mercedes statue complete with a bust of Taylor Curran holding a sponge washing the wheels

Surely it should be statue of Lee Power pissing over the alloys with a big smile on his face


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 15:00:10
The intent from Caroline Lane is laudible, but it's a confusing personal undertaking for two employees to undertake, particularly when the Disability Liaison Officer has been removed from her role and given to MC Wotsee.

£5k of crowd funded money for a shed with some bubble tubes in that will probably be padlocked 80% of the time - from a club that entertains the idea of children having their own turnstile. It's one of many reasons why I, an ASD parent with a young child out of county, have very little faith in bringing him to a game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 18:06:08
The intent from Caroline Lane is laudible, but it's a confusing personal undertaking for two employees to undertake, particularly when the Disability Liaison Officer has been removed from her role and given to MC Wotsee.

£5k of crowd funded money for a shed with some bubble tubes in that will probably be padlocked 80% of the time - from a club that entertains the idea of children having their own turnstile. It's one of many reasons why I, an ASD parent with a young child out of county, have very little faith in bringing him to a game.

Children having their own turnstile? Where has that come from?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 18:25:23
A consortium consisting of Dennis Bergkamp, Henrik Larsson, Dirk Kurt, Ronald Koeman and Phillip Cocu are looking to buy a club in England 🚨


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 18:31:27
Well that'll go with the orange hats.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 19:31:33
Children having their own turnstile? Where has that come from?

It was the clubs answer to how to avoid the deluge of Jimmy Crankie types.  Can't remember if it was an answer to a question at the Fans Forum or the AB, but it's come from the club.  I imagine it's not going to happen though, just like the issue itself is a PR exercise excuse rather than something to be focused on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 19:55:36
A consortium consisting of Dennis Bergkamp, Henrik Larsson, Dirk Kurt, Ronald Koeman and Phillip Cocu are looking to buy a club in England 🚨

Please god. If you're out there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 00:02:11
It was the clubs answer to how to avoid the deluge of Jimmy Crankie types.  Can't remember if it was an answer to a question at the Fans Forum or the AB, but it's come from the club.  I imagine it's not going to happen though, just like the issue itself is a PR exercise excuse rather than something to be focused on.

Found it, it was in the AB for December.

"The club is actively looking at clamping down on people using wrong tickets i.e at last game
they found at least 20 people using children's tickets when they were adults etc.. it was
suggested that potentially specific turnstiles could be used for Adults & Children. To help
resolve this issue."

To me this reads that they are suggesting that one turnstile be used for adults with children, not children having their own turnstile.  You would think that the stewards could just check each ticket though to resolve the issue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 08:44:00
All very well, but the ticket scanners weren’t working in the DRS where we went in last night so effectively no checks at all


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 09:01:22
All very well, but the ticket scanners weren’t working in the DRS where we went in last night so effectively no checks at all

Skidata, who installed the system are a competitor to my wife’s company. They predominantly instal car parking equipment but dabble in other arenas like yes the turnstile system at the CG. Not dissimilar to the car parking systems work TBF. Now in keeping with the way these things work, initially there would have been a maintenance contract built into the original installation for a period of, whatever. See where this is going?

After that initial agreement runs out there is an option to negotiate another maintenance agreement a favourable rates or… you can have an adhoc situation where you pay as you go but at a much higher call out rate and parts are not at any favourable rates either. What do you think we have?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 09:16:02
Neither


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 09:24:43
Accounts due by tomorrow  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 10:45:27
All very well, but the ticket scanners weren’t working in the DRS where we went in last night so effectively no checks at all
I watched from home yesterday, i'm fascinated by how people gained access to the DRS if the scanners weren't working...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 10:47:21
All very well, but the ticket scanners weren’t working in the DRS where we went in last night so effectively no checks at all

My mate was asked "how do we know that this is this years Season Ticket" - there are no dates on ours. "That's the clubs problem". They were fine about it, just amused me - the manual backup when the system goes down must be a nightmare!

Suspect somebody cocked up database validation expiry date or marked them "used" for that game - or however the expiry is calculated (hopefully the card is just a barcode).

Maintenance contracts aside.

I watched from home yesterday, i'm fascinated by how people gained access to the DRS if the scanners weren't working...

MKI eyeball check and turnstyle unlock override by operator. I *think* it was just STs that weren't working.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 10:53:19
MKI eyeball check and turnstyle unlock override by operator.
If you wanted to validate that there are more than 20 people getting in on the wrong tickets, that's a good opportunity in my eyes. Assuming the stadium manager etc knew it was happening

BOOO Batch edited his post so i seem insane.

If only ST's - fine.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 10:54:46
I watched from home yesterday, i'm fascinated by how people gained access to the DRS if the scanners weren't working...

Showing the ticket to the operative who had a quick look then let me through.
'Permission expired' or similar error msg when scanning my ST.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 10:58:27
Showing the ticket to the operative who had a quick look then let me through.
'Permission expired' or similar error msg when scanning my ST.
Thanks!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 11:23:04
I watched from home yesterday, i'm fascinated by how people gained access to the DRS if the scanners weren't working...

The operator just pressed a button to let you in.
There was a young girl on mine who wasn’t really looking at tickets, in fact was more interested in what was on her phone


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 12:25:53
Neither

Lolly pop goes to……drum roll…… Tans.

Mind you if we did, I doubt that they would have had issues with the monthly maintenance contract payments. Want to cancel it midway through the term! No problem. Three months upfront to cancel 🤣🤣 Standard procedure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 07:18:17
What do we reckon will be the magic figure when we release our accounts?

I'm going for a loss of 1.7 million.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 07:21:17
I'm going for July before we see them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 07:25:20
I'm going for July before we see them

And blaming 'fair game'? (which is also a fairground style japery type place near my work in Canary Wharf)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 08:53:49
Seebeck 87 and Swindon Town Football Company accounts are due on Companies House today.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 09:00:57
Seebeck 87 and Swindon Town Football Company accounts are due on Companies House today.

As I understand it, it's unlikely that they'd be uploaded to the website for public viewing for a few weeks yet even if submitted today (or already) - I think there's a fair lead time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 09:31:26
Axis Football Investments  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: AbraMoDabre on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 10:47:30
Axis Football Investments  :sherlock:

That one’s been overdue since 28th December…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 10:56:38
As I understand it, it's unlikely that they'd be uploaded to the website for public viewing for a few weeks yet even if submitted today (or already) - I think there's a fair lead time.

True -  and it'll be the boilerplate version from last time - we'll be waiting a little longer* for the fully detailed Fair Game explainer version



*I imagine, the rest of our lives.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:48:20
True -  and it'll be the boilerplate version from last time - we'll be waiting a little longer* for the fully detailed Fair Game explainer version



*I imagine, the rest of our lives.

Of which, we are a guinea pig for Fair Game doing this sort of thing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:51:15
This may be harsh, but based off of a brief meandre around their website and watching a webinar, I've little confidence Fair Game is much more than a shell for lower league chairman trying to squeeze some money out of the next TV deal.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 14:14:52
This may be harsh, but based off of a brief meander around their website and watching a webinar, I've little confidence Fair Gam is much more than a shell for lower league chairman trying to squeeze some money out of the next TV deal.

What is it about having the expert support of a former cabinet advisor who supports Newport and probably knows Wotsee, the chairman of Taylor Curran-employing Maidstone and fringe former Tory crank Andew Brigden that doesn't settle those nerves? :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 16:08:15
Of which, we are a guinea pig for Fair Game doing this sort of thing

Trust mentioned they have done it for Exeter


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 17:02:47
Trust mentioned they have done it for Exeter

Fairgame themselves said we are the first club they are trying this sort of thing with?

https://x.com/joerosswilliams/status/1760015314052403528?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 17:47:27
I see Rochdale have agreed a takeover


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 17:53:24
I see Rochdale have agreed a takeover
But but but why would an American investor want to buy a lower league club?!?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 19:22:14
But but but why would an American investor want to buy a lower league club?!?

They got them on the cheap and think they can be the next Wrexham?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 19:35:23
What exactly are Fair Game doing re our accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 20:14:52
What exactly are Fair Game doing re our accounts?

I believe they are supporting the club to make them more readable for an average fan and hopefully more detailed.

I very much doubt fairgame will improve the accounts by much this year, giving the time lines involved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 23:26:45
I don't want to sound like a cynical broken record here - BUT IT IS REAL FUCKING EASY TO PRODUCE SOME ANNUAL ACCOUNTS, even with more detail than we usually manage.  You just need someone who knows how to do it, you know, an Accountant.  I know they are tough to find, and nobody running an SME bothers employing them (sarcasm font should be used there).  The ones I had to review every month were far more detailed than the ones we have to produce once a year - once a year!!!!!! 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 00:16:09
I don't want to sound like a cynical broken record here - BUT IT IS REAL FUCKING EASY TO PRODUCE SOME ANNUAL ACCOUNTS, even with more detail than we usually manage.  You just need someone who knows how to do it, you know, an Accountant.  I know they are tough to find, and nobody running an SME bothers employing them (sarcasm font should be used there).  The ones I had to review every month were far more detailed than the ones we have to produce once a year - once a year!!!!!! 

Yet the majority of clubs at this level don't produce detailed accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 1, 2024, 07:00:56
and the point is what, because they don't we shouldn't?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 07:54:52
and the point is what, because they don't we shouldn't?

No point, I was just stating facts. Very negative of you batch


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 07:56:23
The one's Aud listed has more details, actually splits out players wages.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:17:53
The one's Aud listed has more details, actually splits out players wages.

And the point is what?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:18:29
No point, I was just stating facts. Very negative of you batch

So what was your point. Just an observation?

Its good to get a comparison with other clubs, but we can't control that and it doesn't really change what we should be doing.

I say should be doing, I mean morally.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:27:31
Yes an observation that not many clubs do it and clubs don't do it for lots of reasons.

I think we should be producing really detailed accounts and I've consistently said that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:40:57
And the point is what?

The point appears to be you don't like any negativity towards the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:53:27
Companies House shenanigans:
-Seebeck 87 updated yesterday
-Swindon Town Football Club ltd now overdue (Unsure how long CH takes to update but Seebeck be updated).
-Axis Football Investments STILL not updated. This is the ultimate parent company I think as it owns Swinton Reds 20 Ltd?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:54:45
Barrow’s accounts



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 08:58:32
No p&l Aud?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:01:02
Yet the majority of clubs at this level don't produce detailed accounts?

And therein lies the problem.  (Or one of them.)  It's systemic.

RobT is right.  Producing a set of readable accounts each month (let alone once a year) that breaks out all the key Balance Sheet and Profit & Loss captions with a meaningful level of detail/granularity is a bog standard task for most businesses, even SMEs.  All you need is a properly implemented Finance/ERP system, a competent accountant/Financial Controller who knows how to use it and an Accounts Assistant who can record financial transactions in a timely manner.

I have zero sympathy with any business that's unable to complete this task over an extended period.  Businesses can get themselves in to a mess - but with some effort & resolve, you can generally turn that around within the space of 6 to 12 months.  To have a situation dragging on for years, in my view, points to a leadership that does not want a transparent financial record to be released...for whatever reason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:02:06
I think the rules are changing to make clubs produce full accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: wokinghamred on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:08:33
And therein lies the problem.  (Or one of them.)  It's systemic.

RobT is right.  Producing a set of readable accounts each month (let alone once a year) that breaks out all the key Balance Sheet and Profit & Loss captions with a meaningful level of detail/granularity is a bog standard task for most businesses, even SMEs.  All you need is a properly implemented Finance/ERP system, a competent accountant/Financial Controller who knows how to use it and an Accounts Assistant who can record financial transactions in a timely manner.

I have zero sympathy with any business that's unable to complete this task over an extended period.  Businesses can get themselves in to a mess - but with some effort & resolve, you can generally turn that around within the space of 6 to 12 months.  To have a situation dragging on for years, in my view, points to a leadership that does not want a transparent financial record to be released...for whatever reason.

Its a competitive world. Clubs don't want other clubs to know the details of their commercial arrangements/performance.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:11:06
Transparency used to be a buzz word a couple of years ago  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:13:16
Opaque is the new version :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:18:53
Its a competitive world. Clubs don't want other clubs to know the details of their commercial arrangements/performance.

You could apply that to every business, everywhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:19:27
The point appears to be you don't like any negativity towards the club.

I've always said that the club should produce more detailed accounts, which is negative to the club as they don't?

If I'm not allowed to state a point, after some one went on a rant then I do apologise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:38:11
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/club-statement2/

"I will provide full transparency of the financial position of the club at all times"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:38:43
I can’t see how a club publishing a full set of accounts can give any other club a competitive edge. It’s not as if each individual player’s wages are revealed or what the overall playing budget is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:41:06
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/club-statement2/

"I will provide full transparency of the financial position of the club at all times"

Which to be fair was a stupid thing to promise - full transparency is well beyond what anyone actually wants! I do not need to know how much Tyrese Shade's appearance bonus is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:42:48
I’m sure he didn’t mean that detailed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:44:48
Which to be fair was a stupid thing to promise - full transparency is well beyond what anyone actually wants! I do not need to know how much Tyrese Shade's appearance bonus is.
I agree. I just thought I'd add a level of transparency to expectations that had been set


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 1, 2024, 09:46:05
I can’t see how a club publishing a full set of accounts can give any other club a competitive edge. It’s not as if each individual player’s wages are revealed or what the overall playing budget is.
Additionally accounts do come out a year in arrears


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 1, 2024, 10:38:12
Its a competitive world.

Everything Counts (In Large Amounts)
...
Picture it now, see just how
The lies and deceit gained a little more power
Confidence taken in
By a suntan and a grin


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:11:07
What exactly are Fair Game doing re our accounts?

I'm incredibly cynical about it and I reckon the whole Fair Game is just a tactic to delay filing accounts. Although with that said, there is no real benefit to drawing out the whole thing.

Don't Fair Game just look at the accounts and suggest things like 'increase your income by trying this', or 'reduce your costs by trying that'? I assume we pay them for their service?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:12:36
Everything Counts (In Large Amounts)
...
Picture it now, see just how
The lies and deceit gained a little more power
Confidence taken in
By a suntan and a grin

The grabbing hands grab all they can.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:13:46
It's a competitive world.

Bollocks, didn't see what started this  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:17:39
I'm incredibly cynical about it and I reckon the whole Fair Game is just a tactic to delay filing accounts. Although with that said, there is no real benefit to drawing out the whole thing.

Don't Fair Game just look at the accounts and suggest things like 'increase your income by trying this', or 'reduce your costs by trying that'? I assume we pay them for their service?
Surely just because we’re using Fair Game doesn’t give us a get out from filing accounts with Companies House by the requisite time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:25:33
Surely just because we’re using Fair Game doesn’t give us a get out from filing accounts with Companies House by the requisite time.

I think there is a 'grace period' to file accounts with CH. I wasn't suggesting we were going to file them late, particularly as we've been on the naughty step enough times recently. Just going right to the end of the Grace period. (whatever that is)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, March 1, 2024, 12:04:48
Axis Football investments into the 3rd month of being overdue now.

Fairgame has sod all to do with filing the accounts. They were due yesterday, theres no excuse for them not to have been filed. Its poor governance at best. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 1, 2024, 12:08:36
*dusts off admin error klaxon*


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 12:25:06
I think there is a 'grace period' to file accounts with CH. I wasn't suggesting we were going to file them late, particularly as we've been on the naughty step enough times recently. Just going right to the end of the Grace period. (whatever that is)

Nope. You can ask for an extension but have to give a reason.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 1, 2024, 12:27:38
Nope. You can ask for an extension but have to give a reason.

Companies House about to get told to change their mindset.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 1, 2024, 12:47:35
Yet the majority of clubs at this level don't produce detailed accounts?

I know, it wasn't me stating anything about the clubs accounts vs others.  My point was that they shouldn't bloody need Fair Game, or anyone else for that matter, to produce some bloody accounts, even ones with some details.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:03:10
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/club-statement2/

"I will provide full transparency of the financial position of the club at all times"

This is very subjective though, no one defined full transparency. 

Full transparency of the debt has been given, more detail in the accounts than ever before (more can and should be given though on the accounts).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:08:15
I'm incredibly cynical about it and I reckon the whole Fair Game is just a tactic to delay filing accounts. Although with that said, there is no real benefit to drawing out the whole thing.

Don't Fair Game just look at the accounts and suggest things like 'increase your income by trying this', or 'reduce your costs by trying that'? I assume we pay them for their service?

Fairgame won't give us a valid reason to delay submitting accounts.

The point of getting them in is to provide support to help make the accounts more readable to the average fan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:21:47
Fairgame won't give us a valid reason to delay submitting accounts.

The point of getting them in is to provide support to help make the accounts more readable to the average fan.

Yeah I wasn't entirely typing the fair game bit without my tongue being in close proximity of my cheek.

Morecambe seemed to manage this ok I noticed (I'm not pro or against the use of Fair Game btw, as long as it's positive for club and fans of course)

https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2024/february/morecambe-fc-accounts-202223/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:33:18
Yeah, but Morecambe are a League One club, can't expect to have their level of resources to enable such things to be produced.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:34:32
Yeah, but Morecambe are a League One club, can't expect to have their level of resources to enable such things to be produced.

Morecambe are just above us in the table Rob.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:35:29
This is very subjective though, no one defined full transparency.  

Full transparency of the debt has been given, more detail in the accounts than ever before (more can and should be given though on the accounts).

I have no comment, I'm merely sharing the source material and letting others determine whether that's been achieved or not


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:39:40
Morecambe are just above us in the table Rob.

It was double sarcasm - I was sure someone would eventually claim our inability to fund producing proper accounts was because we have to run a tight ship vs. what other bigger teams can do.  The reality is they were a smaller club than us, financially, even when a league above.  Now they are a terrible example, in that they can do this with hand tied behind their backs, vs. what we should be able to do.

The point being - there is nothing stopping detailed accounts, with a full executive summary and commentary being produced.  It is a CHOICE.  The ONLY other argument that can be used, for what we produce, is that we are run that badly that nobody is competent enough to do it, which would be scary as fuck.  It has to be CHOICE, has to be, surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, March 1, 2024, 14:08:45
The point of getting them in is to provide support to help make the accounts more readable to the average fan.

Surely publish the cunting thing (legal requirement) first and worry about a dummies guide to it after?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, March 1, 2024, 14:36:05
Surely publish the cunting thing (legal requirement) first and worry about a dummies guide to it after?

This


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:07:14
New season ticket prices announced
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/202425-season-tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:10:14
Family 2 killed off again despite last year's fun then, along with student prices?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:12:43
Wasn't it mentioned matchday prices were coming down a couple of quid?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:13:11
Wasn't it mentioned matchday prices were coming down a couple of quid?

It's alluded to in that article, but exact numbers not confirmed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:14:50
Think they'll be in for a shock if they're hoping for 5,000 again. Then no doubt it will be our faults for the lack of investment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:15:17
Hmmm, I think they should announce matchday prices at the same time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:15:21
£40 less for me and Mrs Aud.

I’ll think about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:18:00
Real effort gone into that launch. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:20:48
I have no comment, I'm merely sharing the source material and letting others determine whether that's been achieved or not

Now you are on the Trust board, you have no comment or view.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:21:37
Well, Mad Gav has been banging on about how we should all be excited about the young talent we now have and how they’ll improve next season.

Tbf, he’s probably right - but it’s how he pads out the team around them that will make it a successful season or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:23:04
Surely publish the cunting thing (legal requirement) first and worry about a dummies guide to it after?

That is what I said, you just cut out that bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 1, 2024, 16:26:32
Now you are on the Trust board, you have no comment or view.
Absolutely the case


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Friday, March 1, 2024, 17:47:28
Hmmm, I think they should announce matchday prices at the same time.

It's almost pointless releasing it without match day prices, how do you know what kind of value for money you're getting without it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, March 1, 2024, 17:49:23
Howling at them advertising submitting questions to the AB as a season ticket perk!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 17:50:09
It's almost pointless releasing it without match day prices, how do you know what kind of value for money you're getting without it?

ST's aren't on sale for a few weeks, so as long as they announce before that, I'm not sure it's a big issue.  

Ideally they would be released at the same time though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 17:56:02
It's almost pointless releasing it without match day prices, how do you know what kind of value for money you're getting without it?
Tbf, I doubt anyone buys a ST on the basis of how the price compares to matchday prices. You’re either a diehard fan who always buys one or an optimist regarding the next season. I’ll see how this season pans out before deciding on an Early Bird ST.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 18:13:38
Tbf, I doubt anyone buys a ST on the basis of how the price compares to matchday prices. You’re either a diehard fan who always buys one or an optimist regarding the next season. I’ll see how this season pans out before deciding on an Early Bird ST.

Generally no, but there always fans who miss 5-8 games a season and therefore weight up whether a ST makes sense financially and so that information will be helpful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, March 1, 2024, 19:39:52
Howling at them advertising submitting questions to the AB as a season ticket perk!
It’s not even true either as anyone is able to input to the advisory board, it’s open to all.

I reckon there will be a four figure drop in numbers next season so can’t wait for them to lay the guilt tripping on thick.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, March 1, 2024, 20:09:26
It's almost pointless releasing it without match day prices, how do you know what kind of value for money you're getting without it?

It’s not official but I thought £24 had been mentioned as the highest price next season (down from £27)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 1, 2024, 20:26:22
Not much to moan at about season ticket prices.

We buy with eyes open, shambolic setup and no change seen in recruitment strategy yet

I will be renewing knowing that.

pleasantly surprised u21 tickets seem to be retained and that the renewal window is a reasonable length. Oh and card payments are back!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 1, 2024, 20:28:57
Any news on the Stratton bank redevelopment ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Friday, March 1, 2024, 20:38:23
AXIS SERVICES GROUP LTD

Liquidator appointed today


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 20:44:03
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAcG24iI_w


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Friday, March 1, 2024, 21:20:31
Generally no, but there always fans who miss 5-8 games a season and therefore weight up whether a ST makes sense financially and so that information will be helpful.

Yeah, this is where I sit on my season ticket, last season I got value for money, this season I haven't in terms of games missed, so a skew more towards match tickets will firmly put me in the not renewing camp, even if I'm not tempted to renew on the basis of how we're being run at the moment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 1, 2024, 21:36:02
But, but, but . . . What about our cup runs?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 1, 2024, 21:44:08
But, but, but . . . What about our cup runs?

Ah yes, about those dizzy cup runs were so famous for.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 1, 2024, 23:36:21
Yet the majority of clubs at this level don't produce detailed accounts?

Do most clubs have convicted money launderers,  drug dealers and Britain's most wanted as 'matchday guests', being paid for services and/or setting up 'academies' with football clubs that don't exist?

Because if so, they'd probably do well to post full detailed accounts too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Friday, March 1, 2024, 23:56:30
Do most clubs have convicted money launderers,  drug dealers and Britain's most wanted as 'matchday guests', being paid for services and/or setting up 'academies' with football clubs that don't exist?

Because if so, they'd probably do well to post full detailed accounts too.

Last year's accounts were better than the previous years and a lot of other clubs at this level. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 09:49:42
I wonder if the Trust would be able to confirm if the club have and continue to pay into the JV.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: AbraMoDabre on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 10:29:03
Last year's accounts were better than the previous years and a lot of other clubs at this level. 

Last year we had a competent CEO in charge who actually had a background in finance and who is now the CFO at Coventry Building Society I believe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 11:30:28
on another note, we haven't heard back about the failure to disclose share holdings have we?

thought this was pretty straight forward. surprised it's talking so long


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 11:31:48
Last year's accounts were better than the previous years and a lot of other clubs at this level. 
Paint your left knee green?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 11:34:44
I wonder if the Trust would be able to confirm if the club have and continue to pay into the JV.
They have a duty to us shareholders to if that's an ongoing issue


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 11:49:58
Paint your left knee green?

What?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 12:07:36
What?
Then extract your wisdom teeth


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 12:10:17
The b side was better


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 12:13:41
Then extract your wisdom teeth

Form a string quartet
And pretend your name is......


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 12:20:00
Quote from: Steak supper
The b side was better

I really did get served in Woolworths without a three week wait


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 12:43:44
I really did get served in Woolworths without a three week wait

I used to get my baseball boots in Woolies now replicated as Converse :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 13:30:50
Last year's accounts were better than the previous years and a lot of other clubs at this level. 

Doesn't really change what I was getting at though.

I'm sure this years will be nice when they're finished.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 13:42:56
I'm sure this years will be nice when they're finished.....
(https://y.yarn.co/3398f73a-5b15-491e-b0c8-5a7f5ae3755c_text.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 13:48:19
Doesn't really change what I was getting at though.

I'm sure this years will be nice when they're finished.....

So why do you demand more detail if you think they will be 'made up'. You can't please some people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 13:53:06
I would like for them to at least attempt to make a detailed justification for where the money is going under whatever huge loss they're claiming the club to be suffering. 

Just to humour me. For shits and giggles.

I could use a laugh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 14:34:02
So why do you demand more detail if you think they will be 'made up'. You can't please some people.

Are you an STFC employee, trust member, Clem fan or something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 14:51:15
So why do you demand more detail if you think they will be 'made up'. You can't please some people.

Because it would be the good thing to do, no?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 21:51:25
https://twitter.com/KTestfc13/status/1764019384081608817?t=4IVJNwrDtVng3l10P9chLw&s=19

Those that thing these lot are redeveloping were born fucking yesterday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 22:08:16
Mad to think that the club had an additional club shop {pop up one but a shop nonetheless} in the Brunel Centre back in the Fitton era. I know it doesn't break the camel's back in terms of services offered and quality but I reckon that pop up shop probably had more stock than the current main club shop. That's nothing against the actual workers in said club shop - it's more just an example of even more demise.

Like with a multitude of small things at the club, that aren't properly funded/ran right. These things compound of course. The place is an embarrassment and we're only asking for facilities to have good ongoing maintenance/services. You know, something that actually affiliates itself with a Professional Football League Elite Performance Club, rather than a whole stadia and operation which looks worse than NLS.

In my onion, we shouldn't be accepting the way this club is getting dragged further and further into tin pottery


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 22:31:52
Superb adjective tin pottery. Hard to argue against.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 22:35:08
https://twitter.com/KTestfc13/status/1764019384081608817?t=4IVJNwrDtVng3l10P9chLw&s=19

Those that thing these lot are redeveloping were born fucking yesterday.

The ground mirrors the Town centre these days. #noinvestment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 22:42:35
Hearing some pretty shite rumours at the moment. Actually paints Clem in a more sympathetic light but along the lines of what I expected regarding the crooks and hangers on.

Slim chance I may be able to get some evidence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 23:27:27
https://twitter.com/KTestfc13/status/1764019384081608817?t=4IVJNwrDtVng3l10P9chLw&s=19

Those that thing these lot are redeveloping were born fucking yesterday.

We’ve been saying for a while now that it’s filthy. It would take about £30 to get a window cleaner to wash that with one of those poles. It would cost next to nothing to put the missing panel from the club shop back as well. But nobody at the club cares enough - at least, nobody with any influence - and it symbolises their attitude to the club. Too busy cleaning the money, that they can’t clean the Rolex. It’s so sad to see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 00:01:35
Hearing some pretty shite rumours at the moment. Actually paints Clem in a more sympathetic light but along the lines of what I expected regarding the crooks and hangers on.

Slim chance I may be able to get some evidence.

What are you hearing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 00:29:26
https://twitter.com/04innominate/status/1764071679586693451?t=dSnGlIzbhZWhSmY6-frhGQ&s=19

If you're an apologist for this regime then fuck you, you cunt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 00:30:54
What are you hearing?

Similar to stuff I've heard for a while. But if I don't get proof I won't explicitly say it in a public forum.

Same shit thats been insinuated and guessed at for a while. We'll see where it leads, if anywhere.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 07:03:46
Hearing some pretty shite rumours at the moment. Actually paints Clem in a more sympathetic light but along the lines of what I expected regarding the crooks and hangers on.

Slim chance I may be able to get some evidence.

If he's had the wool pulled over his eyes and is getting turned out, that's his own fault and something we all have to suffer. No sympathy from me.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 07:40:22
Clem is in the shit legally


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 07:45:21
An investigation into Swindon Town FC owner's former businesses could have repercussions for the club itself, it has been revealed.

Clem Morfuni former firm, Axis Plumbing NSW PTY Ltd, is currently being closed by a liquidator who has found what he believes could be examples of wrongdoing.

Suggestions of failure to provide accounts, potential breaches of director duties and the possible breaking of Australian corporate law are among the things he is investigating.

It is also made clear that it still concerns both Mr Morfuni as former owner and director, as well as the company’s owner and director at the time of liquidation, James Skelton.

The liquidator, Peter Krejci, says as a result of their conduct there may be justification to pursue both directors 'personally for the quantum of any losses suffered, which could see them face a potential financial penalty.

In the report published by the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC), Mr Krejci said: “I have conducted preliminary investigations of the company’s affairs since my appointment, and I believe that there may be a potential insolvent trading/breach of director duty claim against the former director for $1.6m.”

This figure relates to debt owed to unsecured creditor The Shore Group, a Brighton-based construction firm, that is owed money after being commissioned by Axis M&E UK Ltd to provide staff for a project in London in 2019.

When Axis M&E UK went into liquidation, Axis Plumbing NSW became liable for the debt because it had given a guarantee to The Shore Group.

At the time this contract was made, Australian national Mr Morfuni was sole director and shareholder of the firm Axis Plumbing NSW.

The Shore Group filed a UK High Court claim against Axis Plumbing NSW to retrieve the debt, in February 2022, which it won in September.

Then in February 2023, just three months before Axis Plumbing NSW was placed into administration, Shore Group won a subsequent second High Court judgement in Australia, allowing it to pursue that debt in both countries.

As part of an extensive investigation into the business, Mr Krejci discovered what he felt could be possible examples of wrongdoing such as not providing access to the company’s accounting software and books, insolvent trading, conducting an uncommercial transaction, and conducting an unreasonable director-related transaction.

He also relays evidence of several breaches of Directors' Duties.

“I have reviewed the various aspects of these directors' responsibilities and have identified several actions that would be considered breaches of directors' duties,” he said.

This included duty of care and diligence, duty of good faith and duty not to make improper use of position.

The report says consequences of a breach of duties for the directors in liquidation could include a liquidator pursuing the directors personally for the total of any loss suffered by companies arising from the breach of duty.

The ASIC could also prosecute the directors criminally for their conduct which could result in a maximum fine of $200k or imprisonment, or it could do so under a civil penalty provision which could also result in a maximum fine of $200k.

Other penalties include the ASIC giving them banning orders prohibiting them from managing a company.

The Shore Group has given the liquidator further funding to fully investigate these findings and is even pursuing court proceedings which would see Mr Morfuni summoned to an Australian court to give evidence publicly and under oath.

A spokesperson for The Shore Group said: “We are encouraged by the findings within the report, in particular, the activities of Clem Morfuni while the debt was accrued.

“The Shore Group will continue to pursue all options of further investigations, including funding a public examination with the liquidators of Clem Morfuni and James Skelton.”

There was another potential unsecured creditor with Osborne, also known as Geoffrey Osborne Ltd, filing a proof of debt to Mr Krejci for £508,460.

Osborne entered a contract with Axis Services Group for a tower construction project in London in 2021, and it claims that Axis Plumbing NSW was listed as a guarantor for that contract.

But as the now-liquidated Axis Services Group was active at the time of writing, Mr Krejci stated this could not be pursued.

Mr Morfuni was approached for comment but did not respond.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 07:58:11
Great!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:05:40
Why not spell out what the repercussions for the club could be, if any.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:08:38
Why not spell out what the repercussions for the club could be, if any.

The only one I could think of is less money going into the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:09:58
Wasn't trading whilst insolvent what Diamandis was banned from being a director on account of?

If Morfuni is the sole benefactor of the club and the club is trading at a loss, it's not hard to see why him being sued personally would be a problem. Also if he was to be disqualified as a director, we have no others...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:21:38
Even if Clem wanted out of the Club he is not the sole owner.
Only knows who has a piece of it now. Only positive it cannot stay hidden forever.
Maybe the lids will get lifted and the real truth will start to emerge.


Love gone for me, these parasites have taken it away.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:23:52
Does Aussie rules apply here though? From what I understand there is no Axis in the UK any more so if he’s disqualified under Aussie law from his Aussie businesses how does that affect him here.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:31:35
Does Aussie rules apply here though? From what I understand there is no Axis in the UK any more so if he’s disqualified under Aussie law from his Aussie businesses how does that affect him here.

The initial claim here is in the UK, they've just won the right to pursue him in Australia as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:36:06
Even if Clem wanted out of the Club he is not the sole owner.
Only knows who has a piece of it now. Only positive it cannot stay hidden forever.
Maybe the lids will get lifted and the real truth will start to emerge.


Love gone for me, these parasites have taken it away.
The only way is for fans to stop buying tickets etc. When the money runs out they will want out. I hope the trust really start pushing this


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 08:54:16
I think it’s more that people are using the club illegally than just taking money out of the club. As long as the club is still functioning, at whatever level, they will still make money. A drop in ticket income will only result in an equal drop in budget.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:01:24
If he is found guilty of trading whilst insolvent, here or in Australia, I think that would be one of the disqualifying events for the EFL. What that means in terms of how immediately he would need to relinquish control, I don’t know. Presumably it pushes someone like Kiely forwards, because we already know Zavier Austin also fails the test.

On one hand it may accelerate an exit (but may simply be another rejig of names on paper with the same fools in control). I think it reduces the prospect of getting a credible subsequent owner. It needs someone who is prepared to buy a club from knowingly dishonest people, who will not necessarily disclose details of the club’s finances accurately or at all prior to sale.

There is also of course the question of why Axis would not allow access to their financial data. Anything to hide?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:02:31
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/rules-of-the-association/2021-22/owners-and-directors-test.ashx

Quote
(xiv) I have not engaged in conduct outside of the United Kingdom that, in the reasonable opinion of The
Association, would constitute an offence of the sort described in Disqualifying Condition (iii) if such conduct
had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction.

(iii) I have not been convicted of any of the following offences, or where I have, this conviction is now considered
spent under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974;
(a) an offence involving a Dishonest Act;
(b) corruption;
(c) perverting the course of justice;
(d) committing a serious breach of any requirement under the Companies Act 1985 or 2006 or any
statutory modification or re-enactment thereof;
(e) dishonestly receiving a programme broadcast from within the UK with intent to avoid payment under
Section 297 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988;
(f) admitting spectators to watch a football match at unlicensed premises under Section 9 of the Football
Spectators Act 1989;
(g) ticket touting under Section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994;
(h) any attempt or conspiracy to commit any of the offences set out in paragraphs (a) to (g) above;
(i) having an unspent conviction by a court of competent jurisdiction anywhere in the world (including
any attempt and/or any conspiracy to commit the same) that results in a sentence of at least 12
months imprisonment but for the avoidance of doubt, not a suspended jail sentence unless that
sentence is subsequently activated for a period of at least 12 months for whatever reason;
(j) any conviction for a like offence to any of the offences set out in paragraphs (a) to (h) above by a
competent court having jurisdiction outside of England and Wales.


Hmmmm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:06:00
Fails.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:18:23
Stfc Manc will be around soon to tell us that Australia is a country built by criminals so this is nothing to worry about


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:20:10
Stfc Manc will be around soon to tell us that Australia is a country built by criminals so this is nothing to worry about

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:40:48
Stfc Manc will be around soon to tell us that Australia is a country built by criminals so this is nothing to worry about

I’d put money down that as soon as certain individuals disappear from having any connection with STFC or said certain individuals are personally charged officially with breaking of FA, EFL governance rules or criminal law in the U.K. or Australia that he’ll vanish into thin air like others have in the recent past.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:51:59
I’d put money down that as soon as certain individuals disappear from having any connection with STFC or said certain individuals are personally charged officially with breaking of FA, EFL governance rules or criminal law in the U.K. or Australia that he’ll vanish into thin air like others have in the recent past.

Why would I disappear? On the rules front (owners and directors), are they just for when a person takes over or ongoing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:54:00
Why would I disappear? On the rules front (owners and directors), are they just for when a person takes over or ongoing?

We’ll see.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:54:39
Wasn't trading whilst insolvent what Diamandis was banned from being a director on account of?

If Morfuni is the sole benefactor of the club and the club is trading at a loss, it's not hard to see why him being sued personally would be a problem. Also if he was to be disqualified as a director, we have no others...

And most of the ones Clem would want to step in are convicted criminals and wouldn't be allowed to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 09:59:22
Why would I disappear? On the rules front (owners and directors), are they just for when a person takes over or ongoing?

Ongoing. Obviously, if you think about the purpose it attempts to achieve. EFL’s site states:

“The EFL’s Owners’ and Directors’ test requirement sets out criteria for who is and who is not permitted to own a club or exercise control over it. The test requirements can be viewed here. This test forms part of any takeover process and is applied to all current and prospective owners on an ongoing basis.”

If there is a right of appeal to the Australian charge, there is a risk that this could get drawn out for a considerable period of time, with zero investment in the club.  

Dennis Bergkamp and Ronald Koeman, come on down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:06:32
Why would I disappear? On the rules front (owners and directors), are they just for when a person takes over or ongoing?

Quote
2.1 No Serving Officer who becomes subject to a Disqualifying Condition on or after the Effective Date may
continue to act as an Officer of a Club

A person needs to pass, and continue to pass, the Fit and Proper Person test.

Hope that helps x


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:08:31
Does the EFL/FA actually hold the power to force Clem to sell, isn't one of the issues with fit and proper that one an owner is in they're almost impossible to remove unless they choose to sell?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:11:01
A person needs to pass, and continue to pass, the Fit and Proper Person test.

Hope that helps x
Well, if they can’t get it right in the first place I can hardly believe they keep a weather eye on every owner on an ongoing basis - until things go very publicly tits up, of course. Way too late as usual.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:15:18
When Fleetwood’s owner, Andy Pilley, was jailed last year for fraud, he simply transferred ownership to his son.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:17:28
Stfc Manc will be around soon to tell us that Australia is a country built by criminals so this is nothing to worry about

 :girlgiggle: :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:19:28
I’d put money down that as soon as certain individuals disappear from having any connection with STFC or said certain individuals are personally charged officially with breaking of FA, EFL governance rules or criminal law in the U.K. or Australia that he’ll vanish into thin air like others have in the recent past.

A lot of the Power apologists seemed to disappear as soon as he did, that is for sure. Anyone remember Gareth Gillman from the facebook group?

People assured me he was a real Swindon fan at the time but never seemed it, just seemed a Lee Power fan. Where is he now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:24:42
A lot of the Power apologists seemed to disappear as soon as he did, that is for sure. Anyone remember Gareth Gillman from the facebook group?

People assured me he was a real Swindon fan at the time but never seemed it, just seemed a Lee Power fan. Where is he now?

There were a few around when that wannabe sporting mogul JM  ‘allegedly” had his dirty fingers in the till.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 10:46:25
My understanding, they can't force an owner to sell  (look at Reading), but they can make their lives considerably harder with personal fines and such. Not sure if repercussions could extend to the club in the way of points or fines.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 11:14:06
Genuinely feel like the club is dying before our eyes and no one is doing anything about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 11:21:22
Genuinely feel like the club is dying before our eyes and no one is doing anything about it.

….because that’s exactly what is happening.

The ‘football only’ ‘support the club’ fans will just continue to be oblivious to all it and keep going.
The pro Clem super fans will be continue to be pro Clem super fans
The anti Clem brigade will continue to focus all their efforts in tweeting about how bad everything is & how stupid/idiotic the pro Clem fans are whilst doing absolutely fuck all to help the situation.

Trust should be galvanising the fan base as we speak…

…and as I’ve said countless times - we can not force an owner to sell the club & we can’t even put pressure on said owner unless there is a viable publicly known alternative for people to unite behind.

So, yeah we are sleeping walking to death and no one is doing anything about it - even those whose eyes are open to it and are the most vocal. Nothing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 11:28:02
My understanding, they can't force an owner to sell  (look at Reading), but they can make their lives considerably harder with personal fines and such. Not sure if repercussions could extend to the club in the way of points or fines.

History shows they almost always punish the club and fans and are a wet fart when it comes to the actual perpetrators.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 11:30:52

Trust should be galvanising the fan base as we speak…

and desperately trying to source Dennis Bergkamps phone number.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 11:52:54
Half of me wishes the u18's weren't doing so well.

It's something else Clem can try and take credit for. Just like he did with the stadium.

A couple of those kids could also go for a couple of hundred grand to a prem academy taking a punt. More money for Clem.

This Boo guy on twitter defending Clem on every post by the way. What needs to happen for these people to wake up? genuinely.

I'm not even convinced a points deduction would be enough. They'd somehow link that to the previous regime.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 11:55:03
Genuinely feel like the club is dying before our eyes and no one is doing anything about it.

That is an interesting POV.

What I would say or more pertinently ask is what happens if it does?

I’m not privy to the T&C’s of the JV agreement or the Sale caveats from SBC.

Supposing this terminal decline becomes ‘terminal’. At what point do the stakeholders whoever they are bail out? How does bailing out look?

Forget money going out of the club and any denials, it bloody well is. To someone or people for something. There has to be a point when their cover gets blown when there is not enough money coming into the club to A) take out or B) keeping the corpse beating.

A League 2 club has to have more value than a NL club whether in admin or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 12:33:49
Infinitely out of his depth. Guy is a total clown.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 12:36:33
Genuinely feel like the club is dying before our eyes and no one is doing anything about it.

The physical state of the place, as demonstrated in those Twitter photos, suggests you are right. The pitch yesterday was as bad as I’ve ever seen it. Not necessarily bad per se, especially compared to some of the other pitches we’ve seen across the league, but a symbol of where the club is. It used to be something we could be very proud of. No longer looks like it’s being looked after by somebody who gives a monkeys.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:02:08
Sadly the only way actions speak louder than words is when fans don’t attend the home games which would make a statement plus hurt Clem financially. With the lack of noise being voiced towards the owner inside the ground nearly non existent it tells us all we need to know and that is the majority will continue to put up with the way the club is being run until it’s too late.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:05:41
You know, I didn't think about the EFL governance rules when I read that, just the financial implications.

Did Clem ever confirm the preemption situation regarding Kiely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:11:59
It’s difficult to get away from the theory that so long as there is a corporate entity for money to pass through, that the ownership group’s objective is achieved. I don’t think it matters at all to them which division we’re in - Conference or League 2.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:17:58
Sadly the only way actions speak louder than words is when fans don’t attend the home games which would make a statement plus hurt Clem financially. With the lack of noise being voiced towards the owner inside the ground nearly non existent it tells us all we need to know and that is the majority will continue to put up with the way the club is being run until it’s too late.

I won’t be going anymore. Yesterday was my last game until we have change in the boardroom.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:19:35
I won’t be going anymore. Yesterday was my last game until we have change in the boardroom.

Problem is there’s 7000 that will🤣


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:31:35
Think 7,000 is a tad optimistic. Don’t know any season ticket holders sat around me that are actually renewing. Really can’t wait until the season is over and I can have my Saturdays back. The love is gone and find myself no longer looking forward to the next game.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:32:49
Genuinely feel like the club is dying before our eyes and no one is doing anything about it.
This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:37:48
Think 7,000 is a tad optimistic. Don’t know any season ticket holders sat around me that are actually renewing. Really can’t wait until the season is over and I can have my Saturdays back. The love is gone and find myself no longer looking forward to the next game.

I reckon at the moment we do have around 7000 die hards which could dip rapidly next season if things don’t improve.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:37:56
Think 7,000 is a tad optimistic. Don’t know any season ticket holders sat around me that are actually renewing. Really can’t wait until the season is over and I can have my Saturdays back. The love is gone and find myself no longer looking forward to the next game.

Precisely how I feel. I always said to myself I’d support through thick and thin, but when you feel like you are part of the problem putting money into the club like I now do it’s time to stop. If my not contributing serves in even a minuscule way to starve this regime out, then I don’t have a choice.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:41:19
Genuinely feel like the club is dying before our eyes and no one is doing anything about it.

Doing my best! Think I was the only fan yesterday wearing an orange hat, much to the disgust of a fan behind me in the Franchise game. He hasn’t spoke to me since. He’s 100% pro Morfuni and won’t have a word against him. If this is you in D5U in The DRS I’m happy to have a friendly debate so what’s the problem?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:48:03
Precisely how I feel. I always said to myself I’d support through thick and thin, but when you feel like you are part of the problem putting money into the club like I now do it’s time to stop. If my not contributing serves in even a minuscule way to starve this regime out, then I don’t have a choice.

Used to be a day out, meet your mates pre match beers and try to enjoy the game whatever the result. But you are right, we are also responsible because we put our cash upfront because of all the promises made by Morfuni and Aberdeen at the start of the season. The only way I’ll renew is if the club is sold to owners that have no connection to Morfuni, Power et al.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:50:01
I reckon at the moment we do have around 7000 die hards which could dip rapidly next season if things don’t improve.

Well Jim, I’m going to challenge you on that.

We have circa 5k season tickets meaning 2k walk ups. It is easier to vote with your wallet as a walk up. Once you commit to a ST that’s it you’ve in for the, er, season.

Currently we look like being on track for our worst ever league finish. I reckon somewhere between 1/3 - 1/4 will vote with their pocket.

So if it is the lower amount that works out to roughly £725,000 in lost gate receipts plus concession spending.

That figure could be more, could be less. Either way a lot of money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:06:10
Used to be a day out, meet your mates pre match beers and try to enjoy the game whatever the result. But you are right, we are also responsible because we put our cash upfront because of all the promises made by Morfuni and Aberdeen at the start of the season. The only way I’ll renew is if the club is sold to owners that have no connection to Morfuni, Power et al.

I’m not a season ticketer, but if I was, no chance would I renew. Get rid of that Aussie bellend and they can have my walk up money back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:21:06
All this feels like Morfuni’s empire is burning down around him. With so many red flags there is a very real danger any money that goes into the club (season tickets etc) is just going to be used to prop up his empire for a short while longer.


Going to be a real interesting first few months for the Trust’s new board and whether they endorse people renewing or recommend people maintain a watching brief before committing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:22:05
Well Jim, I’m going to challenge you on that.

We have circa 5k season tickets meaning 2k walk ups. It is easier to vote with your wallet as a walk up. Once you commit to a ST that’s it you’ve in for the, er, season.

Currently we look like being on track for our worst ever league finish. I reckon somewhere between 1/3 - 1/4 will vote with their pocket.

So if it is the lower amount that works out to roughly £725,000 in lost gate receipts plus concession spending.

That figure could be more, could be less. Either way a lot of money.

If things get much worse next season I agree numbers will drop even more but still think with away fans we would still average around 7000 but I may be wrong. It has happened fairly recently but with a big expanding Town things would have to be pretty dire for it to happen.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiW3dDmpNiEAxVOUUEAHaJ6CggQFnoECA4QAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.transfermarkt.co.uk%2Fswindon-town%2Fbesucherzahlenentwicklung%2Fverein%2F352&usg=AOvVaw2k2duwVAnExRGmcNVl1z2r&opi=89978449


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:29:24
Wasn't that long ago when the good feeling was there and we were in the false dawn stage we were getting 10k home fans some games vs some unattractive opposition. Not even like we were storming the league.

If that doesn't say something about potential of the club to prospective buyers then I don't know what will.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:30:59
Wasn't that long ago when the good feeling was there and we were in the false dawn stage we were getting 10k home fans some games vs some unattractive opposition. Not even like we were storming the league.

If that doesn't say something about potential of the club to prospective buyers then I don't know what will.

Spot on :clap:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:31:12
Currently we look like being on track for our worst ever league finish. I reckon somewhere between 1/3 - 1/4 will vote with their pocket.

I recon when push comes to shove that figure will be more like 500 lost. It's all guesswork of course but we seem to have a more resilient fan base than the club deserve.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:38:22
Fans tend to drift away, but it's hard to get them back.  The drop in attendances has already started, with the likely bums on seat number lower than the recorded number for the match.  Assuming many of those who are not showing up own a season ticket, as well as reduced walk-ups, then whoever is prepping our budget for next season should be worried.

The Clem stuff is not a surprise, it was obvious when the Aussie firm went under so soon after a friend took the helm for him.  The revelation about the UK company does add some flavour though, given his statements that the UK company dissolving was all just a company re-jig.  Anyone thinking the guy is an honest man should pay attention.  The trail left here is a clear series of purposeful acts to try and stitch up suppliers and cover his arse.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:44:07
What happened to this.

‘ But the sweeping changes won't just apply to wannabe owners, the hierarchies at all the clubs in the country's top five leagues will need to obtain a new licence to stay in control. The new rules will be implemented by a government-run regulator funded by a tax imposed on teams annually, although bigger clubs will pay more than their smaller counterparts, it was added.

It will be the regulator's job to ensure all club owners' finances are legitimate, and make sure they are deemed to be "fit and proper custodians." And following the Super League farce last season, the regulator will be given the power to stop owners from creating "breakaway leagues", to prevent a similar fiasco.’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:29:12
I’m not a season ticketer, but if I was, no chance would I renew. Get rid of that Aussie bellend and they can have my walk up money back.

Oh dear - I’m sure Clem will be worried that a non season ticket holder has decided not to renew


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:36:13
Problem is there’s 7000 that will🤣

I don't think this is true - there are 3500 hardcore ST holders that will go whatever the situation, then there are another 1500 that will buy if the situation of the club is worth it, but a good chunk of them will fall away if it isn't. Then there is between 2000 - 4000 paying customers that will attend based on various reasons, one of those reasons being how the club is being run.

In short, if next season goes like this one or worse, i expect crowds to be between 4000 and 6000 depending on the game and situation, time of year/opposition etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:42:10
No way will we drop to 4000. Absolutely none.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:53:01
I don't think this is true - there are 3500 hardcore ST holders that will go whatever the situation, then there are another 1500 that will buy if the situation of the club is worth it, but a good chunk of them will fall away if it isn't. Then there is between 2000 - 4000 paying customers that will attend based on various reasons, one of those reasons being how the club is being run.

In short, if next season goes like this one or worse, i expect crowds to be between 4000 and 6000 depending on the game and situation, time of year/opposition etc.

What’s baffling is why aren’t the hardcore season ticket holders venting their anger at games🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:53:51
I recon when push comes to shove that figure will be more like 500 lost. It's all guesswork of course but we seem to have a more resilient fan base than the club deserve.



Its more than 500 already, just on season ticket holders that can't be bothered to turn up for games that they've already paid for, judging by how empty the ground looks vs announced attendance.

Or maybe they're just their 'free games'  :hmmm:

I think there will be a drop off of at least a thousand season ticket holders.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:58:47
What’s baffling is why aren’t the hardcore season ticket holders venting their anger at games🤔

Because they're drinking the koolaid.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:06:14
Because they're drinking the koolaid.

Or content with the current shit show.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:07:49
No way will we drop to 4000. Absolutely none.

That's not what i said though is it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:08:50
What’s baffling is why aren’t the hardcore season ticket holders venting their anger at games🤔

Because they are happy to turn up whatever the current situation, that is why they are hardcore


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:10:42
Because they are happy to turn up whatever the current situation, that is why they are hardcore

Exactly that which makes me believe we will still average 7000 including away fans or 6000 if we were in a relegation scrap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:14:40
Quote from: Bob1978
Oh dear - I’m sure Clem will be worried that a non season ticket holder has decided not to renew

it was an opinion on the state of the club wasn't it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:17:30
Exactly that which makes me believe we will still average 7000 including away fans or 6000 if we were in a relegation scrap.

Average 7000? No chance..  I think that a good portion of those 1500 floating ST holders will become floating pay on the day so having the luxury of starting your count from 5000 as it is today will be gone, the count will start from about 3500 - 4000.  Depending on the opposition, weather, time of the year will determine how many walk ups you will have.  I think the everage will more likely be 5500 - 6000.

I do think the current situation might boost our away following though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:22:44
Average 7000? No chance..  I think that a good portion of those 1500 floating ST holders will become floating pay on the day so having the luxury of starting your count from 5000 as it is today will be gone, the count will start from about 3500 - 4000.  Depending on the opposition, weather, time of the year will determine how many walk ups you will have.  I think the everage will more likely be 5500 - 6000.

I do think the current situation might boost our away following though.


Time will tell Bernie.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:24:29

Time will tell Bernie.

Indeed, It's weird because i am not entirely sure whether I want you to be right or me.  Everything about current situation is entirely fucked up, cheers Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:31:10
Well they're £54 plus beer down from just me in the last 5 days.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:35:16
it was an opinion on the state of the club wasn't it.

Yup. Not sure what his snark was for, doesn’t really seem warranted.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:40:06
Indeed, It's weird because i am not entirely sure whether I want you to be right or me.  Everything about current situation is entirely fucked up, cheers Clem.

I’m the same. I want the crowds to be higher not lower😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:46:12
Exactly that which makes me believe we will still average 7000 including away fans or 6000 if we were in a relegation scrap.

Wasn't there like 7,700 vs Harrogate or something similar? Probably 700 season ticket holders not there they counted.

We're probably at 7k already. Suspect it'll go lower.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:49:51
Wasn't there like 7,700 vs Harrogate or something similar? Probably 700 season ticket holders not there they counted.

We're probably at 7k already. Suspect it'll go lower.

7,687 was the official figure😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:51:27
Definitely wasn't that in the ground...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 17:53:25
Our recent past tells us that we can hit between 4k and 5k crowds, especially if we don't sell the season ticket volume.  I present you the end of Andy King and into Iffy period.  That is why I'd be worried now, looking at the attendances.  As Berni is saying, the reset will be the new season ticket holder number, and if we already have hundreds not showing up, they will have a hard time parting with the money for another season upfront.  It's not improbable that we dip to 4k season tickets, or below, based on the current trends.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 18:26:25
Or content with the current shit show.

Can't imagine any fan that cares, ST holder or otherwise, goes every week or watches from afar, is in a state of peaceful happiness with the current state of affairs, as far as the actual football goes anyway.

I'd like to think that if the club does end up sleep walking into the NL then those that remain won't be going down quietly.

A relegation battle could well be the driver for more concerted protest particularly if the admin errors keep stacking up as well.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 18:48:15
the reset will be the new season ticket holder number, and if we already have hundreds not showing up, they will have a hard time parting with the money for another season upfront. 

Whilst I've said I don't think the collapse will be dramatic, I do accept that there is absolutely nothing done to dangle the carrot of hope to the waiverers.

Admittedly Mcgurk and glatzel  look bright, bycroft shows promise. None of them are contracted for next year yet.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 18:55:00
fuck it I'll go another season, if only to annoy you bunch of cunts :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 19:11:32
Whilst I've said I don't think the collapse will be dramatic, I do accept that there is absolutely nothing done to dangle the carrot of hope to the waiverers.

Admittedly Mcgurk and glatzel  look bright, bycroft shows promise. None of them are contracted for next year yet.


McGurk is


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 19:34:07
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
McGurk is

Not to my knowledge. They are all until the end of the season with option.

I heard murmurs of Gunning wanting him here next year, didn't hear the interview directly so if he's confirmed  we've activated it then great


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 19:58:28
He said a few days ago ‘fans should get excited. We have McGurk next season . . .’


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 21:06:50
ah so expectation and common sense says he'll be here, but it's not actually done yet. They'd surely be announcing it as a sign of intent to push ST sales.

but good news (unless we find a way to Swindon it up)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 22:03:02
As in fuck it up Batch?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 22:23:28
indeed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 4, 2024, 00:05:12
indeed

If you have to renew your ST do it on a CC…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 4, 2024, 08:34:14
Something this ownership has routinely moaned about is that due to the previously terrible running of this club, it in its current guise it can't obtain good credit for lending or ticket options. However a credit alert warning has gone out this morning because of the late filing of accounts, stating that our credit limit has dropped as a result. I completely get the Companies House backlog can mean the accounts have officially been submitted but not displayed yet, but it's just another thing that they've previously moaned about but now continue to actually do themselves  :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, March 4, 2024, 09:41:38
Something this ownership has routinely moaned about is that due to the previously terrible running of this club, it in its current guise it can't obtain good credit for lending or ticket options. However a credit alert warning has gone out this morning because of the late filing of accounts, stating that our credit limit has dropped as a result. I completely get the Companies House backlog can mean the accounts have officially been submitted but not displayed yet, but it's just another thing that they've previously moaned about but now continue to actually do themselves  :doh:

Who was the alert/warning from out of interest?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 4, 2024, 09:53:06

Who was the alert/warning from out of interest?
Doesn't state which platform it was posted on but screenshot below.
https://twitter.com/RobGage2/status/1764565431052906846?t=cobXeEHnR6hF26k4DHF_ww&s=19


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 4, 2024, 10:20:27
Something this ownership has routinely moaned about is that due to the previously terrible running of this club, it in its current guise it can't obtain good credit for lending or ticket options. However a credit alert warning has gone out this morning because of the late filing of accounts, stating that our credit limit has dropped as a result. I completely get the Companies House backlog can mean the accounts have officially been submitted but not displayed yet, but it's just another thing that they've previously moaned about but now continue to actually do themselves  :doh:

If this is correct I suppose the implicaiton is the "late" warning at CH isn't because of backlog.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:03:24
10k fine for failing to disclose share transfers no points deduction

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/efl-charge2/

Best case scenario you'd think. Pays for two sensory room Go Fund Mes though...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:06:00
It was just an honest mistake guv, he's only human after all..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:16:42
It was just an honest mistake guv, he's only human after all..
According to the EFL an "‘inadvertent breach" rightttttttttttttttt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:19:19
10k fine for failing to disclose share transfers no points deduction

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/efl-charge2/

Best case scenario you'd think. Pays for two sensory room Go Fund Mes though...

The points deduction I think was agreed to have been highly unlikely. But with the late filing of accounts, are the EFL going to continue to look leniently on th eclub with all of these continued "admin errors" and Morfuni seemingly not learning from them?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:33:17
Dear EFL, do you accept cash?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:37:05
Something this ownership has routinely moaned about is that due to the previously terrible running of this club, it in its current guise it can't obtain good credit for lending or ticket options. However a credit alert warning has gone out this morning because of the late filing of accounts, stating that our credit limit has dropped as a result. I completely get the Companies House backlog can mean the accounts have officially been submitted but not displayed yet, but it's just another thing that they've previously moaned about but now continue to actually do themselves  :doh:

If the accounts have been sent to fair game so they can put them into a more understandable format for our stupid fans, why haven’t they been sent to Companies House?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:37:55
admin error


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:48:40
The whole reoccuring theme of the club at the moment just shouts incompetence and mismanagement, which makes the continued rolling out of the line "this club has not been managed well for 30 years" just a little bit farcical.  The 30 years just includes the last 3 years so stating it as a reason for their current failings doesn't exactly scream of accountability.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:48:44
If the accounts have been sent to fair game so they can put them into a more understandable format for our stupid fans, why haven’t they been sent to Companies House?

You can absolutely bet on a future excuse for this being Fair Game were to slow to review the accounts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: AbraMoDabre on Monday, March 4, 2024, 11:58:55
I wonder if we will ever actually see any kind of report from Fair Game.  We were promised an overview of the accounts back in September, long before the Fair Game excuse was trotted out.  What we got was the pathetic couple of paragraphs from the Trust review in December.  Now we wait for the fabled Fair Game review which will no doubt just be a few paragraphs too.  Yet more can kicking.

Main reason I will see out the season as a ST but no more investment from me after that until there is a sea change.  I’ll live without another crappy puma replica kit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:05:08
You can absolutely bet on a future excuse for this being Fair Game were to slow to review the accounts

I reckon the club have made arrangements with these guys to look at the books.

https://www.wearefairgame.com/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:06:14
Perhaps they were hoping to drive to Companies House in the mythical Mercedes and hand deliver the paperwork


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:07:04
According to the EFL an "‘inadvertent breach" rightttttttttttttttt.

I think the claim from Clem was the % holding declarable was reduced between seasons, and it fell through the gaps (?). I can sort of almost believe that could happen though there is no note of that in the commissions report. 

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets.gc.eflservices.co.uk/76a87ff0-da05-11ee-aad5-151182da93b4.pdf
Quote
The failure to notify the EFL was an administrative error by the UBO, who also failed to notify the
executive management of the Club due to the fast moving, stressful period which preceded the
transfer of shares. This placed the Club in an inadvertent breach of the EFL Regulations;

To not disclose the share transfer to the trust, JV and CEO regardless of %. Well I don't need to tell you my views on that.

At least this one is put to bed now. Next.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:07:15
Perhaps they were hoping to drive to Companies House in the mythical Mercedes and hand deliver the paperwork

They could fax it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:08:00
This is probably old news, but I was talking to a former Trust member about Michael Doughty and basically his involvement in the club (which included stocking Hylo products in the club shop) was all thanks to Rob Angus. Once Rob left/was pushed, anything progressive with Doughts was a non-starter.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:25:16
Dear EFL, do you accept cash?
Tis a fair assumption they do as FIFA definately do, in brown envelopes preferably.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:27:13
This is probably old news, but I was talking to a former Trust member about Michael Doughty and basically his involvement in the club (which included stocking Hylo products in the club shop) was all thanks to Rob Angus. Once Rob left/was pushed, anything progressive with Doughts was a non-starter.
Cheers BO I was unaware that this was the case, and such a shame as Doughts is probably one of the few ex players of ours that has the wealth to make a difference if he were to invest at some point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:36:31
Who's taking bets on being late with the accounts? The EFL must have Clem's number on speed dial at this point...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:43:02
Our current CFO is with us because she was no longer needed at Axis once they liquidated it to avoid paying a big creditor, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:43:23
Who's taking bets on being late with the accounts? The EFL must have Clem's number on speed dial at this point...
Thats an absolute given isnt it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:46:31
What’s the point in filing late? You know you still have to file them and you know you’ll get shit for not doing it on time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:49:21
What’s the point in filing late? You know you still have to file them and you know you’ll get shit for not doing it on time.

Maybe they can't afford to pay the accountants to do them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:50:30
What’s the point in filing late? You know you still have to file them and you know you’ll get shit for not doing it on time.

The cynical among us may think it’s because if they file them now some fans will be able to see them & question them without them having been sanitised by the funfair company ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:55:49
Well, yes. But they still have to file the unadulterated accounts some time and get the examination and comments by said fans anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Monday, March 4, 2024, 12:55:55
According to the EFL an "‘inadvertent breach" rightttttttttttttttt.

Obviously, it's not like Clem was claiming to be 100% owner in the months prior to it popping up on companies house. Glad the EFL bought it, last thing we'd need is a more severe punishment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:00:30
Well, yes. But they still have to file the unadulterated accounts some time and get the examination and comments by said fans anyway.

There isn't really any benefit to them filing late as I can see. I think they are just absolutely useless and continue to make no effort to show fans that they are approaching any sort of competency level required to run a business.

Whilst the pictures shared online about the dirty clock, amateurish fixture stand, broken club shop board etc are minor, it's a bit of a sad state of affairs and does sum up to me how badly run the club is in it's current incumbents.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:01:58
Obviously, it's not like Clem was claiming to be 100% owner in the months prior to it popping up on companies house. Glad the EFL bought it, last thing we'd need is a more severe punishment

Super sleuth Jason Lane stated Clem is only a 68% owner as he gifted Kiely 10% of shares. I'm not certain though what that fella says is worth taking any notice for all the excellent due diligence he claims to be doing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:03:13
What’s the point in filing late? You know you still have to file them and you know you’ll get shit for not doing it on time.

"Rob Angus and Greg Norman did a fantastic job for the club during their time here, but since their exit we have identified a number of inefficient and broken processes that have made it more difficult to determine accurate accounts.  Anthony Hall has been hard at work getting to the bottom of the financial situation and ensuring we prepared our Accounts, which has taken a little longer as a result"

Of course, the reality is that the Accounts are for a period that ended on 31st May 2023.  9 Months ago!  The fact they are even a little bit late would be a concern, but this is repeated behaviour from Axis/Clem I think, which does beg the question as to why?  Two possible reasons I guess - people are so fucking inept that it's too bloody difficult for them to prepare basic financial statements, or they need time to organise things in a way as to avoid risk when publishing them.  They become part of the public record once given to Companies House - you want them to be relied upon if you ever need to make a case to HMRC or the Courts for example.

They make a good case that it's the former in everything else they do, but you also can't rule out the latter unfortunately.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:05:21
I'm not sure where that extra 10% to Chris Kiely has come from, I can't see that on Companies House which still lists Clem through Axis Football Investments/Bethany/Hollie in their known splits as the owners of Swindon Reds Ltd which owns Seebeck 87 and Seebeck as 100% owner of the football club. Have I missed something?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:17:36
Hope we are paying for things on time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:28:58
Our current CFO is with us because she was no longer needed at Axis once they liquidated it to avoid paying a big creditor, right?

Don't forget the other staff that were brought over from Axis to the club - I'm assuming as they was given employment elsewhere then no redundancy payment was due thus saving Clem more money ?!

At what point does it become impossible for Clem to continue funding the club, not sure what sort of personal funds he has, but they would take a huge dent if he is forced to pay by the liquidator.

Would he then be forced to borrow against stfc ?

I remember back to his statement when it was found out originally  - nothing to see here its all normal practise

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23677047.liquidator-appointment-within-axis-nothing-concerned-about/
 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, March 4, 2024, 13:47:47
Just seen that our credit facility has been removed. Basically meaning that if you as a supplier give a credit account you can’t get credit insurance against it so the risk is all yours. I deal with this with my job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2024, 14:04:11
Obviously, it's not like Clem was claiming to be 100% owner in the months prior to it popping up on companies house. Glad the EFL bought it, last thing we'd need is a more severe punishment
I had heard that the club were only expecting a slap on the wrists or at most a £2k fine.

We all know the fine is directed at Clem but the club will ultimately pay it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 4, 2024, 14:05:01
Million dollar question however from what I’ve been told they have. I’ve been told that the pitch will not be in a good state for the preseason game sat. If I’m proved wrong then I’ll happily take all the back….the exact words I was told was “it’s a complete shambles”

Claim your prize - I thought I remembered someone bringing up an issue with the pitch pre season.  Found this while looking at some of the posts around the time the Liquidator being appointed was published.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 4, 2024, 14:29:11
Hope we are paying for things on time

Why change the habit of a lifetime, or at least the last 3 years... cough ALLEGEDLY cough


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, March 4, 2024, 14:31:02
I had heard that the club were only expecting a slap on the wrists or at most a £2k fine.

We all know the fine is directed at Clem but the club will ultimately pay it.

Or the old company will be liquidated?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kent_Red on Monday, March 4, 2024, 16:16:49
Accounts need to be produced on a going concern basis (usually the directors have confidence or visibility of funding for at least the next 12 months from the date the accounts are signed) apart from in the following scenario:

- management either intends to liquidate the entity or to cease trading, or has no realistic alternative but to do so.

If a director signs a set of accounts stating they are a going concern and it later becomes clear that the business wasn't then they can be personally liable for any debts the company has, as well as potentially being a criminal offence. 

Quite often late filed accounts arise from the fact that directors are still assessing going concern.  Not saying that this is the case here but could be one reason for the delay.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 4, 2024, 17:15:18
He said a few days ago ‘fans should get excited. We have McGurk next season . . .’

Might stay up then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 4, 2024, 17:33:34
Hope we are paying for things on time

Well lots of insinuations on twitter that we're not paying the JV we've seen, or at least not paying on time.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 4, 2024, 17:34:14
Just seen that our credit facility has been removed. Basically meaning that if you as a supplier give a credit account you can’t get credit insurance against it so the risk is all yours. I deal with this with my job.

They can't keep calling them legacy issues. These issues are Clems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 4, 2024, 17:35:15
Accounts need to be produced on a going concern basis (usually the directors have confidence or visibility of funding for at least the next 12 months from the date the accounts are signed) apart from in the following scenario:

- management either intends to liquidate the entity or to cease trading, or has no realistic alternative but to do so.

If a director signs a set of accounts stating they are a going concern and it later becomes clear that the business wasn't then they can be personally liable for any debts the company has, as well as potentially being a criminal offence. 

Quite often late filed accounts arise from the fact that directors are still assessing going concern.  Not saying that this is the case here but could be one reason for the delay.


People laughed when that slide show had posting accounts as a club aim like it was something to be proud of.

Little did we know how low the bar really was.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 4, 2024, 17:39:17
Well lots of insinuations on twitter that we're not paying the JV we've seen, or at least not paying on time.

I've heard that - not sure how true that is.

Another rumour I heard, which I am sure is bullshit is that recently we couldn't train on Beversbrook (not entirely sure why - unpaid bills I think) and had to train on the pitch. I reckon that's total conspiracy though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, March 4, 2024, 18:03:58
well I heard that the drainage they installed has collapsed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, March 4, 2024, 18:05:24
well I heard that the drainage they installed has collapsed

A bit like our expectations then


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, March 4, 2024, 18:06:16
Thing i find is that the rumours really don't help. It's hard to convince someone that things are shit when theres rumours going around that are being proved wrong

To be fair though if they are not convinced now they never will be


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, March 4, 2024, 19:29:27
Thing i find is that the rumours really don't help. It's hard to convince someone that things are shit when theres rumours going around that are being proved wrong

To be fair though if they are not convinced now they never will be

I can't see anything being proved wrong though. Communication through club and trust is back to absolute zero. I'm not saying the club should comment on every negative rumour but silence can bring just as much damage


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2024, 19:33:59
Tbf, it’s not the club’s place to respond to rumours on social media. It’s the Trust’s job to relay concerns from fans to the club. I presume that’s what the AB is for which seems to have been watered down over time as to be rendered almost useless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 4, 2024, 19:40:52
Would be nice for the trust to confirm if the JV is being paid. They know that at the end of the day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 4, 2024, 19:46:16
Probably been told not to divulge anything!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2024, 20:12:47
Then what’s the point of the Trust


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 4, 2024, 20:14:44
That’s a good question.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 4, 2024, 20:40:48
The Trust in its current guise were obviously blinkered by the owner and apart from thr ground, quite frankly failed their remit.

Hopefully this new board do the job the trust is there for


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 07:36:40
Highly unlikely I know, but could the delay in releasing the accounts be because of potential takeover interest and interested parties perusing said books?

It's more likely to be incompetence/admin error, but humour me anyway!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 09:19:51
All the recent tell tale signs could point to a swift exit by Super Mario or, as you say, just a continuation of the ineptness of said plumber.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 09:58:18
All the recent tell tale signs could point to a swift exit by Super Mario or, as you say, just a continuation of the ineptness of said plumber.

Yeah, swift exit always smacks of a panic retreat, capitulation before a forced surrender. Much rather an organised handover, though that’s not happened for some time has it.

Further more, any new future owners have to be viewed with a degree of scepticism. Until they prove otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:12:16
The Trust seem like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't at the minute. Go public with anything they know (if there are any real skeletons/unpaid bills etc) and that grenades the 'working' relationship with their stadium JV co-owner. However, if they're seen to be 'keeping quiet' by some fans, they're suddenly complicit in everything. Tough tightrope to walk for them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:12:58
Yeah, swift exit always smacks of a panic retreat, capitulation before a forced surrender. Much rather an organised handover, though that’s not happened for some time has it.

Further more, any new future owners have to be viewed with a degree of scepticism. Until they prove otherwise.

Are you suggesting you don't trust the STFC Trust to complete proper due diligence? Surely if the new owners pour pints wearing a bucket hat makes him kosher and cuddly etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:19:25
The Trust seem like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't at the minute. Go public with anything they know (if there are any real skeletons/unpaid bills etc) and that grenades the 'working' relationship with their stadium JV co-owner. However, if they're seen to be 'keeping quiet' by some fans, they're suddenly complicit in everything. Tough tightrope to walk for them.

Maybe the best thing to do would have been to have sent correspondence explaining that a new Trust has been formed and are working towards due diligence and expect to provide an update within XX timescale. I expect things are happening behind the scenes but you wouldn't know it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:41:30
The first "new" Trust Board meeting is tomorrow evening
We're aiming for a single email to confirm AGM details and what the new board looks like.

I'm not getting defensive, YOU'RE getting defensive :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:46:51
The first "new" Trust Board meeting is tomorrow evening
We're aiming for a single email to confirm AGM details and what the new board looks like.

I'm not getting defensive, YOU'RE getting defensive :D

What will come first - Trust correspondence or STFC filing our accounts? :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 11:37:43
That's an even easier response - no comment :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 12:10:41
Quote from: bennett
We're aiming for a single email to confirm AGM details and what the new board looks like.


one meeting in and they're already sending people unsolicited pictures


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 12:15:34
You're fooling no-one batch


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 12:34:09
The Trust seem like they're damned if they do, damned if they don't at the minute. Go public with anything they know (if there are any real skeletons/unpaid bills etc) and that grenades the 'working' relationship with their stadium JV co-owner. However, if they're seen to be 'keeping quiet' by some fans, they're suddenly complicit in everything. Tough tightrope to walk for them.

This is a very pertinent point. If the Trust became militant against the Board, you could very quickly see JV payments dry up. The existence of the JV could be used to mute them. From a Morfuni/Austin/Hart/Kiely perspective, I suspect this is a case of keep your friends close, and your potential Trust-enemies even closer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 12:47:30
The JV payments would barely keep keep a small sweet shop open.  Talking of which, we haven't still got one of those have we?  Known for money laundering those things.

If the club stopped paying the JV, it would hardly bankrupt the Trust, but would likely see the clubs ownership put at risk I would have thought.  For all the things they'd be wise to not fuck up, that would be the primary one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 12:53:26
If the club stopped paying the JV, it would hardly bankrupt the Trust

Surely the JV is separate accounting wise from the Trust? The half going into the JV was being returned to the club anyway wasn't it?

I think that is a formalised agreement though, voted on by members and the club. One assumes if they are taking the whatsit the Trust half of the JV could put that vote into deadlock next time (next year).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 13:04:39
Highly unlikely I know, but could the delay in releasing the accounts be because of potential takeover interest and interested parties perusing said books?

It's more likely to be incompetence/admin error, but humour me anyway!

I'm constantly looking for any shred of evidence of the club being sold as slight bit of positivity to cling on to but even I didn't imagine that.

'admin error'/total incompetence. 100%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 13:17:36
The JV payments would barely keep keep a small sweet shop open.  Talking of which, we haven't still got one of those have we?  Known for money laundering those things.

Surprised we haven't opened up a car wash.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 13:42:13
Surprised we haven't opened up a car wash.

Oooh, an onsite competition.  The other lot can do the Merc's and we do BMW's?  Zav probably knows some people with lots of experience in the field.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 13:43:26
And now that I type that, I wonder if we are so irritated by a bit of spare space being leased to someone for car washing because we don't get our cut of the proceeds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 13:51:03
Wtf is the car wash all about?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:07:57
Wtf is the car wash all about?

It's what the club was getting all irritated by - Power leased a small bit of land to someone to run a car wash from.  The club reneged on the lease when Clem took over (not sure why, they never said) and now the leaseholder is claiming loss of earnings.

On the theme, car washes are notorious for..........

Which was a follow-up to my sweet shop analogy:

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/oxford-street-candy-shop-investigation-b1082733.html


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:13:05
Oh, I watched Breaking Bad!

Surprised they haven’t expanded into Turkish barber shops.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:13:18
Maybe Zav was just irritated he hadn't thought of it, Karachi Clean!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/16/true-human-cost-5-pound-hand-car-wash-modern-slavery


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:42:48
You're fooling no-one batch

I'm at that age where I'll take my kicks where I can!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:44:12
Wtf is the car wash all about?

It's where you arrive with a dirty car, and for money they'll make it clean.  In this one, if you flash a smile first they'll take your teeth as a deposit.
----
Honestly, I'm sure this was part of the plot to Ozark. edit: you already mentioned, it was Breaking Bad.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:46:07
I just mentioned car wash because its a common money laundering option. Didn't realise there actually was one on site.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:47:19
I just mentioned car wash because its a common money laundering option. Didn't realise there actually was one on site.

There isn't. There was going to be. That's why we are being sued.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 14:47:57
It's where you arrive with a dirty car, and for money they'll make it clean.  In this one, if you flash a smile first they'll take your teeth as a deposit.
----
Honestly, I'm sure this was part of the plot to Ozark. edit: you already mentioned, it was Breaking Bad.

Carter USM?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 15:51:57
Yes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:19:54
Accounts are now on Companies House. I think we... haven't lost money? Slightly smaller profit than the year before with the Man City money.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history find them here

Okay, there's a big note that basically states that the club's half of the Nigel Eady Trust Money (£1.15m) went through the club and therefore counts as club income, and without that the loss for the year would have been £1.073m

These accounts are the year to May 2023 (so, last season) and compare to the previous year (21/22 season)

Turnover down 10% (6.6m to 6m)
Cost of sales up 15% (3.9m to 4.6m)
Administrative expenses up 50% (2.3 to 3.6m)

£76k post tax profit but that's including the club's £1.15m of the Eady money

What the fuck happened to our admin expenses - I'm not sure whether that's the other half of the Eady/CG transaction or something more sinister.

Otherwise, at first glance the accounts aren't too disastrous. The admin costs is obviously the big :eyesemoji: thing, that's where Fairgame/smarter people than me are going to have to investigate.

Turnover going down makes sense with no Man City and no playoffs.

Cost of sales going up is broadly in line with inflation, no huge shock.

Admin costs are the sore thumb sticking out there.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:25:26
Admin expenses up £1.3m

On fucking what?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:26:11
It could be including the other side of the Eady transaction (1.15m of it anyway), but if it isn't...

Staffing numbers gone up from 128 to 214, I wonder if that was bringing the catering in house or something? Hard to see where another 90 staff have appeared from otherwise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:34:37
I don’t know how the averages are calculated, but the 2022 figure will include the summer of 2021 which would drag it down

Moneys owed to axis increased by 1.6m but total borrowings only by 0.5m - which I guess suggests bringing more of the debt into the axis family, but the axis family is falling apart so…..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:35:07
So, we’re running a business with a T/O of £6m and over half - fucking half - of that disappears in admin costs!

Someone’s pulling my pisser


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:37:04

one meeting in and they're already sending people unsolicited pictures


Tbh, I tried to send him a picture {solicited of course} of my massive rosette and couldn't. Turned out I hadn't opened the .zip and was trying to send a .doc file, not a...  :soapy tit wank:

NB: Must ask Christian Hornier for guidance on the matter  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:41:14

The JV payments would barely keep keep a small sweet shop open.  Talking of which, we haven't still got one of those have we? Known for money laundering those things.


I take it you've not seen the latest press release and sponsor of the ''sweet shop'' then?


Apparently when interviewed recently, Zav Austin misheard the interviewer and replied with ''...yes, things here are going well and we've got a good structure now. The sweatshop has been in operation for just over three months...''


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:54:48
If you’re bored

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/administrative-expenses.asp


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:56:53
Accounts are now on Companies House. I think we... haven't lost money? Slightly smaller profit than the year before with the Man City money.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history find them here

Okay, there's a big note that basically states that the club's half of the Nigel Eady Trust Money (£1.15m) went through the club and therefore counts as club income, and without that the loss for the year would have been £1.073m

These accounts are the year to May 2023 (so, last season) and compare to the previous year (21/22 season)

Turnover down 10% (6.6m to 6m)
Cost of sales up 15% (3.9m to 4.6m)
Administrative expenses up 50% (2.3 to 3.6m)

£76k post tax profit but that's including the club's £1.15m of the Eady money

What the fuck happened to our admin expenses - I'm not sure whether that's the other half of the Eady/CG transaction or something more sinister.

Otherwise, at first glance the accounts aren't too disastrous. The admin costs is obviously the big :eyesemoji: thing, that's where Fairgame/smarter people than me are going to have to investigate.

Turnover going down makes sense with no Man City and no playoffs.

Cost of sales going up is broadly in line with inflation, no huge shock.

Admin costs are the sore thumb sticking out there.


Using the information from the accounts document, you can see the other income of £2.3m from the Eady Trust.

The other side of it (the donation to the Trust) would have to appear in admin expenses, which would account for £1.15m of the £1.4m.

I can't see the donation anywhere else, it looks like the £8.2m quoted before as well, adding the costs up.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 16:59:07
Using the information from the accounts document, you can see the other income of £2.3m from the Eady Trust.

The other side of it (the donation to the Trust) would have to appear in admin expenses, which would account for £1.15m of the £1.4m.

I can't see the donation anywhere else.

Yes, I think that is the most likely scenario (as I mentioned in the post). Seems a bit strange that they wouldn't have put a note in to that effect when they do put a few other notes in.

Take that 1.15m out of the admin expenses and they would have gone up roughly in line with the cost of sales, which would make the entire accounts rather unremarkable - everything is about 10-15% up cost wise in line with inflation, turnover is down 10% on not having Man City/playoffs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:07:49
Presumably the revenue therefore includes the injections of funding from our benevolent owner? Otherwise, that would contradict the various statements we have had about losing £ hand over fist.



No that would be put into the club as a loan, we would have lost c£1.2m without the Eady money in other income.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:08:28
Presumably the revenue therefore includes the injections of funding from our benevolent owner? Otherwise, that would contradict the various statements we have had about losing £ hand over fist.

Without the Eady money, there's a c. £1m gap between money in and money out - that's the gap Clem would be filling.

Remember this is for last season when they weren't saying that we were losing £1m a year though - I think they were saying more like £500k then...



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:09:33
Didn't clem refer to current expenditure levels of £8m? Assuming that this will be in the next set of accounts and that this is the better version and the next ones will be fucking awful?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:11:40
I look forward to the helpful guide the club promised to produce alongside the accounts.

Something I hadn't noticed before: Has that £25mn operating lease due later than 5 years time always been there? What on earth does it mean and what could it be? It was in the 2022 accounts too


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:12:12
Didn't clem refer to current expenditure levels of £8m? Assuming that this will be in the next set of accounts and that this is the better version and the next ones will be fucking awful?

I think it's fair to assume that things are likely to have got worse in the current season yes - no Eady money, and inflation has continued to be high.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:25:28
Remember everyone, Profit/Loss <> Cash

You can bank a gain without seeing money in the hand, same for a loss, it doesn't have to mean money going out of the bank.

I'll have a peruse and be back in a bit, got fuck all else to do


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:44:37
OK, so a quick glance.

The addition of the Eady money as income is odd to me - as people have questioned, I'd believe the 1.15m outgoing to the Trust's portion of the purchase is banked in the Admin expenses.  The oddity is why that appears in the P&L at all - it's an asset transaction, and as such it would usually stay out of the P&L until realised, with depreciation charges hitting the P&L over a number of years.

I can only presume it has something to do with the way the deal was structured which has caused an in year profit and loss being banked.

What is missing here, to add more detail and context, would be the JV accounts.  I would expect to see an asset valued much higher than the investment and purchase itself.  Not least because of that Lease - which someone asked about.  The football club signed up to a very long lease, as such there would be a number of years before any break can occur I assume, without penalty.  The club must state that as a liability on the books - the fact it has ongoing payment commitments that cannot be removed from the business.  To counter that, you'd usually have an asset valuation to the leasehold, as well as the investment vehicle for the freehold.  See Gillingham as a club that recently revalued it's assets.

I'd still expect the JV and Club to revalue the CG at some point.

Overall it shows nothing that we would otherwise expect.  They only other real material difference is the Axis liability - it looks like Clem moved some Director loans to Axis.

The bigger question to me is how has the Debenture been accounted for.  It was in the 2022 accounts but not this years, but long term liabilities increased.  That suggests the funds for the debenture were banked as loans, but it does not state who.  To counter my previous point, it could be the increase on the Axis side accounts for Clem's share on this.  No notes to explain anything beyond that.

Oh, and the accounts offer nothing new vs. last years in terms of transparency/detail.  Assume we are getting some sort of summary documents/presentation to be published alongside this......


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:47:40
edit:  Thinking about the Eady money.

I think they have banked the 2.3m as income, then took a hit for 1.15m going to the Trust.  They entire 2.3m left as cash to the Council, but the club ended up with a 1.15m asset on the books.  That asset would now be depreciated over time, so next year expect a small hit to the P&L.

I would still think they revalue this, between them and the JV.  The lease has value, the freehold has value beyond the purchase price.  The club has already depreciated the value of the stands.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:53:44
One final point, it shows Hall has fuck all idea how to run a business.  Manc pointed out that the total operating expenses adds up to the number he quoted, which is right.  BUT, he used that as his knowledge of what it costs to run this business, which it is NOT.  It's almost bang on 7m, because it's carrying that 1.15m paper movement of money for the CG purchase.  Someone will argue with me, but he, in my mind, very clearly confused the 8.2m with actually cash needed to run the football club from year to year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 17:57:32
Looks like 2.3m in re Eady
1.15m admin (re Trust)
1.15m tangible asset (STFC share of ground).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 18:35:40
so er, we would have lost money had the Eadie money not come into the accounts .

But is that basically a nuteral event, or did the ground purchase 2m not show?

not had chance to look yet.

in other words, does it show we genuinely lost 1m?

Edit: sorry, my app doesn't load big threads and I missed robs last comment.

If I understood that right, those accounts show we were breakevenish  had we not purchased the ground? If so, how the fuck are we still losing 1m now (allegedly)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 18:41:04
so er, we would have lost money had the Eadie money not come into the accounts .

But is that basically a nuteral event, or did the ground purchase 2m not show?

not had chance to look yet.

in other words, does it show we genuinely lost 1m?

Edit: sorry, my app doesn't load big threads and I missed robs last comment.

If I understood that right, those accounts show we were breakevenish  had we not purchased the ground? If so, how the fuck are we still losing 1m now (allegedly)

So all the Eady money in is accounted for in our accounts (the club 'half' and the Trust 'half') but only one half (fuck knows which) shows as going out (we think, under Administrative Expenses), so the profitability of the club is overstated by the other half - if there was no ground purchase activity at all, we're roughly - £1.2m on the year.

I'm not accounting-y enough to know why they'd gave done it this way, but I think it's meant we had to pay a bit of corporation tax that we otherwise wouldn't have done (if we'd shown an operating loss). Does Si Pie still post?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 19:07:07
Yep, we basically were trading at a 1m loss - increased costs and reduced income, outside the one off event.

Bringing in roughly 6m and spending 7m.

The other 1.15m is not a "cost" because we get an asset of that value.  We will now depreciate that asset over 10-25 years, depending on method they choose.  That depreciation will appear as a cost every year and reduce profitability, and tax exposure, over a number of years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 19:10:15
Ah thanks


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 19:35:13
Yep, we basically were trading at a 1m loss - increased costs and reduced income, outside the one off event.

Bringing in roughly 6m and spending 7m.

The other 1.15m is not a "cost" because we get an asset of that value.  We will now depreciate that asset over 10-25 years, depending on method they choose.  That depreciation will appear as a cost every year and reduce profitability, and tax exposure, over a number of years.

The first two lines are correct, we lost c£1m in the financial year.

The £1.15m was the donation to Trust STFC, which was a cost in the general expenses.

The club hold an asset (the JV investment), it won't be depreciated but can be revalued.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 01:25:59
Just looking at the accounts again, one thing that struck me was the increase in staff, almost doubling to 214. Approx 90 extra people. No other details, so could be a mix of part time/full time. Even if the average pay is 20k, that's another 1.8m costs up on last year. What are these extra roles?  ???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 01:37:37
The first two lines are correct, we lost c£1m in the financial year.

The £1.15m was the donation to Trust STFC, which was a cost in the general expenses.

The club hold an asset (the JV investment), it won't be depreciated but can be revalued.

I was stating that the 1.15m used to pay for the Trusts half was accounted for as expenses, and therefore hit the P&L.

The clubs purchase of 50% is not listed as an expense, as it shouldn't be (which is how the paper based Profit occurs for last year).  Instead, it goes straight to the Balance Sheet as an asset.  usually, fixed assets are depreciated, especially property related.  It could be that in this case it is treated as Shares in a business.

The cash position remains neutral - money came in and the exact same amount went out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 01:40:00
Just looking at the accounts again, one thing that struck me was the increase in staff, almost doubling to 214. Approx 90 extra people. No other details, so could be a mix of part time/full time. Even if the average pay is 20k, that's another 1.8m costs up on last year. What are these extra roles?  ???

By and large it would be match day related I would guess, next to no cost impact (in the grand scheme of things).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 08:30:08
Just looking at the accounts again, one thing that struck me was the increase in staff, almost doubling to 214. Approx 90 extra people. No other details, so could be a mix of part time/full time. Even if the average pay is 20k, that's another 1.8m costs up on last year. What are these extra roles?  ???

Hasn’t this coincided with bringing the food & drink sales in house. I’m assuming (which I know is a dangerous thing to do) that this will explain a lot of the increase, especially as everything else seems to be running on a shoestring staff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 08:55:22
That's an even easier response - no comment :)

Is that the new Trust motto? ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 08:56:44
No comment :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 09:14:15
Bennett B'stard  ;D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 09:17:05
‘Meet the new boss

Same as the old boss’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 10:17:14
Hasn’t this coincided with bringing the food & drink sales in house. I’m assuming (which I know is a dangerous thing to do) that this will explain a lot of the increase, especially as everything else seems to be running on a shoestring staff.

Yeah, I assume 0 hours contracts of all types are included, coaches, food staff, etc, etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 10:18:23
Yeah ideally you'd give that number in FTE rather than headcount, but I assume it is a lot of casual staff. I think we'd have noticed if 200 people were working at the club!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 10:22:10
So, does that £3.6m in admin costs include the wage bill?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 10:22:14
Would love to see a breakdown of cost of sales and admin expenses. Taking out the 1.15m re the stadium, there is still £7m of costs. If the players wages are circa £2m what is the other £5m for? You'd have thought the players wages would have been the bulk of costs, not less than 30%.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 10:56:12
Would love to see a breakdown of cost of sales and admin expenses. Taking out the 1.15m re the stadium, there is still £7m of costs. If the players wages are circa £2m what is the other £5m for? You'd have thought the players wages would have been the bulk of costs, not less than 30%.

Wasn't the breakdown what the Trust asked to see, and then it was passed over to Fair Game who were going to break all this stuff down for the lay person?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 11:34:15
So, does that £3.6m in admin costs include the wage bill?

Or would that be cost of sales?
(not aimed at you Aud).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 11:48:35
So, does that £3.6m in admin costs include the wage bill?

Maybe for the admin staff, I'd imagine players wages is in cost of sales.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 11:54:00
Another dumbass question.

Is there any breakdown on transfer fees received/spent.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:02:56
Maybe for the admin staff, I'd imagine players wages is in cost of sales.
That's my understanding from an explainer the other STFC did is the cost of sales is the player costs (including tax and national insurance etc).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:08:41
We need a fully scrutinised breakdown of all the costs - which I very much doubt we will ever see

Over 8m is very high can’t imagine the playing budget being even a quarter of that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:13:38
Another dumbass question.

Is there any breakdown on transfer fees received/spent.

Yes, in the year they spent £100k (section 5 of the notes)

£10k disposal (this is the value in the books, not what we received)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:14:43
We need a fully scrutinised breakdown of all the costs - which I very much doubt we will ever see

Over 8m is very high can’t imagine the playing budget being even a quarter of that

£1.15m of this relates to a donation for the supporters half of the stadium. True value is c£7m of costs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:32:46
£1.15m of this relates to a donation for the supporters half of the stadium. True value is c£7m of costs.

Isn’t that broadly similar to another couple of teams that have published accounts recently?

Does seem high, but if it’s in line with other clubs maybe it is true


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:45:55
7m would indeed be broadly inline with the top half teams in terms of expenditure and is not a million miles away from the year before.  Devil is in the detail, as always.

It does verify that Anthony Hall is a plonker though, because he was spouting the 8m number before Christmas, ringing alarm bells.  Well, that is because it includes a one off transaction of 1.15m and not because you trade with over 8m of costs.  I imagine he will get all excited when preparing the 23/24 accounts because he think he will have found over a million in savings.

What he should have been doing is lamenting the fact the Revenues were down (excluding that one off gain).  Yes, the Man City game and play offs were in prior year, but it would seem like the other revenues were probably stagnant.  The wooly aim was to increase revenues enabling higher spend on player budgets.  He can probably mark the club down as having failed that, and nothing much suggests 23/24 has the chance of improving the situation, the end of season concert being the only idea and isn't that in the 24/25 accounting period?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 12:51:58
Isn’t that broadly similar to another couple of teams that have published accounts recently?

Does seem high, but if it’s in line with other clubs maybe it is true

Tranmere's is similar, but the detail is still needed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 13:00:44
What about court costs and legal fee's where would they appear ?

I'm intrigued if has been mentioned Clem has moved debt owed to himself into Axis what would the benefit of this be ?
If for e.g. Clem sold Axis tomorrow would the new owner then be able to chase stfc for the debt and put stfc in admin due to non payment of debt as the debt is owed to Axis not Clem - or any I understanding this incorrectly ??


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 13:05:30
What about court costs and legal fee's where would they appear ?

I'm intrigued if has been mentioned Clem has moved debt owed to himself into Axis what would the benefit of this be ?
If for e.g. Clem sold Axis tomorrow would the new owner then be able to chase stfc for the debt and put stfc in admin due to non payment of debt as the debt is owed to Axis not Clem - or any I understanding this incorrectly ??

In a word, yes - any debt owed to a company would transfer with any change of ownership of that company.  As it stands, Clem is the owner of Axis Football Investments, but I suppose he was also once the sole owner of the parent company of STFC.  It at least does not appear that the debt is secured, so they'd join a queue (and the trade creditors seem to be growing in size).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 13:08:43
Begs the question of where Clem got the money to pay off those creditors even though he rolled that debt into a personal one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 13:32:14
Begs the question of where Clem got the money to pay off those creditors even though he rolled that debt into a personal one.

It seems that the Liquidator in Australia may feel some of that came from money he was supposed to pay his creditors of Axis UK and NSW.

The line I was referring to, as trade creditors, is the amounts owed < 12 months.  These are usually your local suppliers.  It's not a red flag necessarily, but you don't want that growing if your business topline isn't growing either.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 13:41:05
7m would indeed be broadly inline with the top half teams in terms of expenditure and is not a million miles away from the year before.  Devil is in the detail, as always.

It does verify that Anthony Hall is a plonker though, because he was spouting the 8m number before Christmas, ringing alarm bells.  Well, that is because it includes a one off transaction of 1.15m and not because you trade with over 8m of costs.  I imagine he will get all excited when preparing the 23/24 accounts because he think he will have found over a million in savings.

What he should have been doing is lamenting the fact the Revenues were down (excluding that one off gain).  Yes, the Man City game and play offs were in prior year, but it would seem like the other revenues were probably stagnant.  The wooly aim was to increase revenues enabling higher spend on player budgets.  He can probably mark the club down as having failed that, and nothing much suggests 23/24 has the chance of improving the situation, the end of season concert being the only idea and isn't that in the 24/25 accounting period?

It does seem that his grasp on numbers isn't great, which is far from ideal!

On the growing revenue, without seeing details around one offs, it's impossible to say.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 14:08:24
Kieran Maguire

Swindon did not buy any players for fees in 22/23

Swindon only spent £75k on infrastructure assets.

Total borrowings are over £5 million and increased by over £400k in the year

Swindon submit 22/23 accounts. Club saying it broke even but a bit disingenuous as benefitted from a £2.3m donation from the Nigel Eady Trust which is likely to be allocated to stadium purchase & as such might be better treated as a capital injection or grant.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 14:26:26
If you’re bored

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/administrative-expenses.asp

But that doesn't say anything about cocaine or laundering money?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 14:31:24
It’s implied!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:04:53
Something I missed at first glance but realised now from Kieran Maguire is that he states we paid £0 in fees for registrations, but last season we acquired Khan, Hutton, Clayton and Cain by fees. There is no way we sign Khan and Hutton without fees, especially after it was reported we triggered the release clause in Khans contract


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:07:01
That’s what I was thinking. Did we pay for Wakeling and Shade?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:08:06
Matchday prices (adult)
£24 sides
£21 TE


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:10:56
That’s what I was thinking. Did we pay for Wakeling and Shade?

Wakeling - no https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/20257676.swindon-town-sign-striker-jacob-wakeling-one-year-contract/

Shade - no https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61915534


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:12:45
Khan - undisclosed fee - https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20283455.swindon-town-sign-chesterfield-midfielder-saidou-khan/

Hutton - undisclosed fee - https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/hutton-agrees-deal-to-join-town/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:34:22
Khan - undisclosed fee - https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20283455.swindon-town-sign-chesterfield-midfielder-saidou-khan/

Hutton - undisclosed fee - https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/hutton-agrees-deal-to-join-town/

True, although as we found out in January, £0 is also undisclosed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:38:25
Where would any fees received appear in the accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:48:28
Is there a difference between how fees for registrations (whatever that means), transfer fees,  and fees to release from contracts are paid


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 15:48:33

Swindon submit 22/23 accounts. Club saying it broke even but a bit disingenuous as benefitted from a £2.3m donation from the Nigel Eady Trust which is likely to be allocated to stadium purchase & as such might be better treated as a capital injection or grant.


Presumably the money came into the club from the Eady Trust, but must have gone out to the Council for the payment, or is that going to appear in next years accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 16:11:51
Presumably the money came into the club from the Eady Trust, but must have gone out to the Council for the payment, or is that going to appear in next years accounts?

It's been accounted for already  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 16:55:45
Is there a difference between how fees for registrations (whatever that means), transfer fees,  and fees to release from contracts are paid

In the murky world of football, who the hell knows.  The player registration values, shown in the accounts, are clearly not the true value of players on the books.  I think (only think) that clubs count player acquisitions as expenses in year and sales as Revenue in year.  It would get fun trying to assess the valuation of every player every year otherwise, and that deems them an asset rather than a cost of sale (which is precisely where their wages appear).  There may be some funky accounting process to apportion the transfer fee paid over the period of a contract, to spread the impact over several years (which is about managing P&L, not cash of course).  Chelsea were having fun with this to get around the financial fair play systems.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, March 6, 2024, 17:36:50
Something I missed at first glance but realised now from Kieran Maguire is that he states we paid £0 in fees for registrations, but last season we acquired Khan, Hutton, Clayton and Cain by fees. There is no way we sign Khan and Hutton without fees, especially after it was reported we triggered the release clause in Khans contract

I think Kieran is wrong on this, it states £100k of additions and £10k of sales (sales is just the book value).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 08:51:02
Didn't Saidou Khan come from Chesterfield where our interim manager/head coach/loan manager was captain? Was there some arrangement for both - wage relief? Who knows.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Andyred83 on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:25:39
Another worrying thing about these accounts is they include the sell on we got from Twine from his move from Franchise to Burnley. we should of received about £740K. that would mean our loss without that and the Eady money would have been £1.8m!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:37:43
Another worrying thing about these accounts is they include the sell on we got from Twine from his move from Franchise to Burnley. we should of received about £740K. that would mean our loss without that and the Eady money would have been £1.8m!

Do they? Where is this quoted?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 09:43:03
Another worrying thing about these accounts is they include the sell on we got from Twine from his move from Franchise to Burnley. we should of received about £740K. that would mean our loss without that and the Eady money would have been £1.8m!

I would very much doubt that payment would be all upfront


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 10:27:15
They took a loan out for it  to be paid early anywy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Andyred83 on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 10:37:11
Even if its was paid later or not the sale happened in July 22 so it would be accounted for then, any money outstanding would be in debtors wouldn't it. We need the Trust to ask the question to the club  "Did these accounts include the Twine sell on?"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 12:32:47
Even if its was paid later or not the sale happened in July 22 so it would be accounted for then, any money outstanding would be in debtors wouldn't it. We need the Trust to ask the question to the club  "Did these accounts include the Twine sell on?"

It would include some of the income but not all, the loan would sit in creditors and the future income will sit In debtors, the amount due in the year will sit on the income line


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 12:40:28
It would include some of the income but not all, the loan would sit in creditors and the future income will sit In debtors, the amount due in the year will sit on the income line
Did we not arrange an advance on all of the Twine income via the agreement with Mean Time or whatever they were called last summer, rather than partial amount?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Andyred83 on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 13:10:12
Just looked, time invoice finance in march 23 to another of clems companies Axis sports investments which like so many others has outstanding accounts due in Oct 23, different to the axis football investments which owns the club , how many of these companies have overdue accounts


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 14:09:48
It would include some of the income but not all, the loan would sit in creditors and the future income will sit In debtors, the amount due in the year will sit on the income line

Indeed - you'd expect the income to be distributed according to any release schedule from Franchise and be added to the debtors line in the Balance Sheet.  Assuming we took out a loan to get the cash in before the maturity of the deal, that loan should appear in the Liabilities section, likely against creditors greater than 1 year.

As with all things STFC, what we cannot determine is if this happened at all - there are no notes, which you would expect from significant items, even in these shitty small accounts (which I know they are not even legally obliged to produce).  It could also have happened beyond the realms of STFC's legal entity, in one of the holding co's (the loan portion that is).

Just another small wrinkle in any pretence to be open and transparent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 14:21:16
The income is shown on the p&l as soon as the debtor is posted, the timing of the receipt of funds has no impact to the p&l, it's applied to the debtor. Accruals basis, not cash basis  ;)
As Rob says we have no idea regarding when this was applied.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 15:43:13
It’s clean!



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 15:57:48
Well there you go... baby steps and all that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 16:09:47
The forum is viewed by the powers that be?  :o


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 16:21:07
Is Donald Trump still Sharpie ing the Fixture Board on the Magic Roundabout?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 16:37:21
Didn't a local company offer to clean it for free?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 16:40:18
Didn't a local company offer to clean it for free?

Yep, they gave a sponsorship board at the ground (well they do now anyway)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 7, 2024, 17:14:34
As per usual it took fans kicking off and an individual approaching the club offering his services for free for anything to get done.

Absolutely embarrassing how little pride the club has in the place and how they continue to do the absolute bare minimum that they can get away with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 11, 2024, 12:57:02
From Sam Morshead

Quote
Fair Game's review of the Swindon Town accounts is earmarked for publication in early April.

To their credit, the club have provided Fair Game with additional financial information not currently in the public domain to enable a fuller commentary of #stfc financial situation.

One wonders whether the Trust were provided this info when they were given a look at the books and the Trust guy resigned pretty much straight away after!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 11, 2024, 13:31:14
Good news that there is additional info though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 11, 2024, 13:52:57
From Sam Morshead

One wonders whether the Trust were provided this info when they were given a look at the books and the Trust guy resigned pretty much straight away after!

I'm still a little bit bemused as to why the club need this Fair Game crowd to do all this. The accounts are what, 2 years old now and so in April they are going to come out and tell us what?

The fact of the matter is that as of today we are 18th in league 2 in a crumbling ground with an interim manager, a load of players out of contract, barely any coaching staff, hardly any players under contract next season, a skint chairman, a club seemingly losing money hand over fist etc.

This might seem alarmist, but the whole Fair Game thing, whilst potentially useful, does seem like a bit of a pointless gesture a little bit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 11, 2024, 13:56:29
You missed out dwindling crowds.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, March 11, 2024, 13:58:12
I'm still a little bit bemused as to why the club need this Fair Game crowd to do all this. The accounts are what, 2 years old now and so in April they are going to come out and tell us what?

The fact of the matter is that as of today we are 18th in league 2 in a crumbling ground with an interim manager, a load of players out of contract, barely any coaching staff, hardly any players under contract next season, a skint chairman, a club seemingly losing money hand over fist etc.

This might seem alarmist, but the whole Fair Game thing, whilst potentially useful, does seem like a bit of a pointless gesture a little bit.

It's so they can say "but Fair Game said we have done things right"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 11, 2024, 13:58:37
I'm still a little bit bemused as to why the club need this Fair Game crowd to do all this. The accounts are what, 2 years old now and so in April they are going to come out and tell us what?

The fact of the matter is that as of today we are 18th in league 2 in a crumbling ground with an interim manager, a load of players out of contract, barely any coaching staff, hardly any players under contract next season, a skint chairman, a club seemingly losing money hand over fist etc.

This might seem alarmist, but the whole Fair Game thing, whilst potentially useful, does seem like a bit of a pointless gesture a little bit.

Indeed. If their conclusion is as close to what we know. A skint basket case. Then the suited and booted duo won’t want to pay too much for the crumbling edifice. So Digger, isn’t going to see much back is he. Especially after doling out the other shareholders %.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 11, 2024, 15:31:28
The Fair Game "analysis" is either a publicity stunt or a stunning admission that nobody in the club has a fucking clue how to run a business (because they should have been able to present more detailed financial analysis by now if they could and wanted to).  Before Mancy weighs in, I know they don't have to and I know other clubs don't either.  The entire fucking football industry should be regulated to provide detailed financial analysis though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 11, 2024, 15:54:17
Fair Game's review of the Swindon Town accounts is earmarked for publication in early April.

To their credit, the club have provided Fair Game with additional financial information not currently in the public domain to enable a fuller commentary of #stfc financial situation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:04:00
Fair Game's review of the Swindon Town accounts is earmarked for publication in early April.

To their credit, the club have provided Fair Game with additional financial information not currently in the public domain to enable a fuller commentary of #stfc financial situation.

There is a parrot in here.  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:05:45
Pieces of 8.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 11, 2024, 16:31:37
Pieces of 8.

Is that a cryptic clue as to how many individuals have their sticky fingers in the till?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 12:43:07
Yep, they gave a sponsorship board at the ground (well they do now anyway)

I am guessing this isn't the OUFC supporting window cleaning service who have hoardings in and outside our ground. When you realise, it is quite obvious, the logo is reminiscent of the Bull.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 12:50:21
Which fits in nicely with all the bullshit we’re being fed!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 12:55:36
https://www.sunshinewindowcleaning.co.uk/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 13:16:19
I am guessing this isn't the OUFC supporting window cleaning service who have hoardings in and outside our ground. When you realise, it is quite obvious, the logo is reminiscent of the Bull.
It is nothing whatsoever to do with Oxford. Lance the owner has probably never been to a game in his life


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 13:18:24
It is nothing whatsoever to do with Oxford. Lance the owner has probably never been to a game in his life

We had this discussion fairly recently IIRC.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, March 12, 2024, 13:21:08
We did, it is a squeedgy in the sun


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 08:50:26
What were the timescales on ground redevelopment? Wasn't there a condition when we bought the ground?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 08:59:00
What were the timescales on ground redevelopment? Wasn't there a condition when we bought the ground?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 09:15:15
What were the timescales on ground redevelopment? Wasn't there a condition when we bought the ground?

They ripped a sign down near the club shop, that's probably progress for these Muppets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 09:30:44
I do wonder if the widely discussed higher than expected asking price Clem has put on the club has anything to do with pre-emption rights. Avoiding the possibility of one of the minority shareholders from being able to buy the club at a more affordable asking price because they've perhaps been squabbling since not getting the shares back? Based on nothing at all but a potential theory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 09:40:47
I assume (rightly or wrong) that the asking price would be high because Clem wants his debt paid off.

Ultimately that’s his (their?) game plan right?
Take ‘admin expenses’ out of the club, so it runs at a loss. Use that money to plug the gaps as ‘director loans’ sell the club and have the ‘director loans’ paid off as part of the purchase.

You effectively turn the clubs money into your own.

I think. Not a business man or accountant


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 10:00:30
You've just got to employ your mates' businesses in key roles like security, fitness, hospitality etc etc while spending as little as possible on the actual playing staff for say, the decade that you and your secret background mates have owned this club (with, say, a little change of frontman a couple of years ago after the first guy maybe gets a little bit moneygrabby) and I'm sure you could rinse a fuckload of money out of a professional football club...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 10:01:29
What were the timescales on ground redevelopment? Wasn't there a condition when we bought the ground?
12th of Never


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 10:11:16
https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/

And the store hoarding is Puma's responsibility, if the AB notes are to be believed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 10:49:56
https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/

And the store hoarding is Puma's responsibility, if the AB notes are to be believed

To be honest if we dont pay then for their kit etc, they are hardly going to bust a gut to repair the hoarding.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:02:15
To be honest if we dont pay then for their kit etc, they are hardly going to bust a gut to repair the hoarding.


what we talking, £100 to get a replacement panel. maybe i should offer to pay in exchange for twitter publicity and an advertising board.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:12:23
To be honest if we dont pay then for their kit etc, they are hardly going to bust a gut to repair the hoarding.


Even if we do pay them, the fact we are trying to negotiate out of the contract they're not going to do anything for us


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:14:52
I'm personally looking forward to us playing in red Slazenger t shirts next season.

Joking aside, it seems like the Puma agreement has gone sour, I wonder if that might affect our chances of getting a decent deal with someone half decent next season (the Puma deal is up at the end of this season isn't it?)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:20:42
We'll be playing in our vest and pants next season  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 11:59:58
I'm personally looking forward to us playing in red Slazenger t shirts next season.

Joking aside, it seems like the Puma agreement has gone sour, I wonder if that might affect our chances of getting a decent deal with someone half decent next season (the Puma deal is up at the end of this season isn't it?)

If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kinda pussy to drink it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:08:05
I think they have already confirmed that Puma runs until the end of next season, so look forward to CGI or Strikeforce while battling out a mid table finish with Ebbsfleet and Wealdstone..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:17:54
It saddens me what Clem and team have done to you Berni.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:24:44
It saddens me what Clem and team have done to you Berni.

If it was just me it wouldn't be a problem :) The worst thing is, i managed to escape and then dragged myself back in..  I remember we were (mostly) all happy go lucky back in the day, oh for those days again..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:32:41
It can come back, it was only five years ago that Reg was scathing of my suggestion Alzate was the best I'd seen at this level.  Little did I know, while I was right on the player, Reg was probably closer on the glide path of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 12:41:53
It can come back, it was only five years ago that Reg was scathing of my suggestion Alzate was the best I'd seen at this level.  Little did I know, while I was right on the player, Reg was probably closer on the glide path of the club.

Maybe i have turned into the reincarnation of Reg, although far less inteligent and not obsessed with right backs..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:09:04
Or Burslem


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:37:59
Maybe i have turned into the reincarnation of Reg, although far less inteligent and not obsessed with right backs..

It would have been fascinating to hear what he had to say about Hutton and whoever is our RB now - it's UGM isn't it, and he roams more than that fella running the length of Africa.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 13:38:33
We'll be playing in our vest and pants next season  :)

shirts vs skins


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:39:57
I know it's early for the new gang, but it would be lovely to hear from the Trust on where they see the current situation, also the supporters club.  I see that somebody is alive in there because they were busy promoting the sponsors dinner earlier today.

The club is silent, the trust is silent, the OSC is silent, the fans are apathetic..  it really is looking bleak and unless somebody starts speaking up soon, anybody..  the situation will become terminal


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 14:42:18
I know it's early for the new gang, but it would be lovely to hear from the Trust on where they see the current situation, also the supporters club.  I see that somebody is alive in there because they were busy promoting the sponsors dinner earlier today.

The club is silent, the trust is silent, the OSC is silent, the fans are apathetic..  it really is looking bleak and unless somebody starts speaking up soon, anybody..  the situation will become terminal
Shhhhhhh didnt you know theres a radio silence on all things concerning the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:01:31
The OSC just toe the party line anyway dont they


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 15:39:55
I think they have already confirmed that Puma runs until the end of next season, so look forward to CGI or Strikeforce while battling out a mid table finish with Ebbsfleet and Wealdstone..

More likely to be Pakistans finest sports manufacturer, Clemente Sportwear (save 10% off the new home shirt with the code 'FREELOADER')


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:24:06
That Jason Lane on twitter has seemed to hint at an 'ex Leeds United Director of Football' is one of the interested parties


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:31:05
Probably Peter Ridsdale knowing our luck..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:35:21
I know it's early for the new gang, but it would be lovely to hear from the Trust on where they see the current situation, also the supporters club.  I see that somebody is alive in there because they were busy promoting the sponsors dinner earlier today.
Minor correction - Promoting giving away 4 pairs of tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:42:12
Probably Peter Ridsdale knowing our luck..

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:42:38
Probably Peter Ridsdale knowing our luck..

:D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:43:30
I’m sorry, but how they fuck would he know anyway?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:46:51
This bloke sounds about right for us, racist, homophobic, sexual harrasment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwyn_Williams_(football_manager)#Leeds_United


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 16:58:52
Lane is a walking definition of a little knowledge being dangerous


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:03:47
Probably Peter Ridsdale knowing our luck..
He was Chairman, not DoF


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:16:33
That Jason Lane on twitter has seemed to hint at an 'ex Leeds United Director of Football' is one of the interested parties

Probably one for the ex-player threads but ex-goalkeeper and maestro of kicking the ball barely out of his own box calamitously, Nicky Hammond has made a good career for himself outside of football.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/who-is-nick-hammond-leeds-united-make-short-term-appointment-as-sporting-director-search-continues-4183644

I’m sorry, but how they fuck would he know anyway?

I don't really know what to make of that lad. He comes across like a bit of a know-it-all and seems to be the king of due diligence but I spotted a thread recently where he stated Clem had given 10% of the club away and after he was called out admitted 'he was sure he saw it somewhere' and admitted he was waffling pure dead shite.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:24:16
Is he Scribblemilk


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:25:53
Is he Scribblemilk

No


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:37:06
Is he Scribblemilk

Look at tans' attachment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:40:16
There is every chance Jason Lane knows a person or two connected with the club, given his friends back in the day (Minturn, Fraser, Hatswell).  Whether they all remained in touch, I have no idea.  What he posts, I have no idea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 17:55:04
Look at tans' attachment.
?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Kaufman on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:03:00
Sign in Aud and you can then see attachments to posts. They don’t appear when you’re not signed in


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:10:32
That Jason Lane on twitter has seemed to hint at an 'ex Leeds United Director of Football' is one of the interested parties

If he posted that he’d done all his due diligence & it’s definitely raining outside I’d still check before I left the house….


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:17:08
He was talking shit about the debentures the other day, refusing to believe he was talking shit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:29:22
That Jason Lane on twitter has seemed to hint at an 'ex Leeds United Director of Football' is one of the interested parties
He's ended up saying the ex Leeds link is Luke Dowling representing a consortium who was the fella Whelan mentioned as the person tasked with finding potential suitors.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:36:27
Sign in Aud and you can then see attachments to posts. They don’t appear when you’re not signed in
I saw the attachment. I was inquiring if Jason Lane was Scribblemilk. That attachment says nothing to that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 18:56:00
I saw the attachment. I was inquiring if Jason Lane was Scribblemilk. That attachment says nothing to that.

He isnt scribblemilk


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Wednesday, March 13, 2024, 22:42:02
His due dilligence on Able was amusing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 02:50:47
Jason Lane >> Arnold Layne

He also had a strange hobby but not collecting evidence of debentures etc. Clothes wasn't it?  :hmmm:

Maybe Jason will catch a nasty sort of person, and give him time  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 08:30:00
Trying to keep talk of new owners off the match day thread.

While there is no real hard evidence, plenty of hearsay as always, speculation is going to be somewhere between bubbling under the surface to rampant chattering.

So unless someone extremely close to the protagonists slips up or deliberately leaks the first we’re going to know is when contracts are exchanged or a 100% sale has concluded.

Clearly the good ship STFC is listing heavily and heading towards either the bottom of the ocean never to be seen or heading towards the beach for a soft landing. Trying not to think of being smashed against the rocks to smithereens. I’d like to think dry dock for a rebuild, modernisation and relaunch. The latter while wishful thinking has to be more realistic while the ‘club’ and trust own the ground in the JV than when the council owned the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 09:11:28
Regarding debentures, they are showing as settled on the Swindon Town Football Company filings on CH, two documents from Sept 22 - but they are paid to Arbib and Black. No mention of Power and no explanation as to how Morfuni had his feet to the fire and had to borrow money off Chris Kiely. Who surprisingly isn't that keen to get his money back and his happy with his, sorry, his wife's declared share. Remarkable how similar Jamie Russell's recruitment strategy is to Sandro's, even though they cut Sandro because he's a rotten egg. Didn't they? Oh, wait.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 09:18:54
is there any regulatory obligation to file a change of debenture ownership?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 09:46:04
Trying to keep talk of new owners off the match day thread.

While there is no real hard evidence, plenty of hearsay as always, speculation is going to be somewhere between bubbling under the surface to rampant chattering.

So unless someone extremely close to the protagonists slips up or deliberately leaks the first we’re going to know is when contracts are exchanged or a 100% sale has concluded.

Clearly the good ship STFC is listing heavily and heading towards either the bottom of the ocean never to be seen or heading towards the beach for a soft landing. Trying not to think of being smashed against the rocks to smithereens. I’d like to think dry dock for a rebuild, modernisation and relaunch. The latter while wishful thinking has to be more realistic while the ‘club’ and trust own the ground in the JV than when the council owned the ground.

…and this is the problem; if there is a viable alternative out there (and I don’t believe for a second there is) then staying in the shadows is exactly what they shouldn’t be doing. If hypothetical new owners wa t to buy the club the best thing they could do is go public.

They’d get backing from a large percentage of the fan base - hell two mythical guys in suits in the DRS experiencing the ‘real’ match day experience despite being life long fans got support and they don’t even exist!!!

Secondly those that are still pro Clem might get their heads turned if they saw there was actually another option.

The Trust should be doing what they can to bring anyone interested in buying the club to the forefront…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 10:11:50
Any credible buyer would keep their business close to their chest and not go public to turn it into a  frenzy, exactly the opposite of what Clem did (even though his was a hostile takeover so slightly different).

Backing from the fanbase will only raise the noise and potentially muddy the waters in getting the deal done.  Personally I would like a credible owner next time, not a rah rah Jed/Power/Clem..

Rumours will get out, they always do, but personally i would prefer for the deal to be 90% done before those rumours start to surface as our online and vociferous fans do not exactly have a record for acting and speaking sensibly.

We all want to know, but not at the detrement of getting the right group in.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 10:29:02
Any credible buyer would keep their business close to their chest and not go public to turn it into a  frenzy, exactly the opposite of what Clem did (even though his was a hostile takeover so slightly different).

Backing from the fanbase will only raise the noise and potentially muddy the waters in getting the deal done.  Personally I would like a credible owner next time, not a rah rah Jed/Power/Clem..

Rumours will get out, they always do, but personally i would prefer for the deal to be 90% done before those rumours start to surface as our online and vociferous fans do not exactly have a record for acting and speaking sensibly.

We all want to know, but not at the detrement of getting the right group in.
This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 10:41:32
That’s only works if Clem is willing to sell.

If he (and whoever) are digging their heels in or holding out for an unrealistic asking price then letting everything run in the background won’t put any pressure on Clem (and whoever) to sell.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:00:21
If he doesn't want to sell, he won't sell.  If you think a load of noise from the fans or keyboard warriors on some facebook groups will infuence that then fair enough, but the world has moved on from where we were when taking a coffin to a game makes any difference, the current online world has made this the norm.  Current owners see outrage on a daily basis about every decision they make these days, a little more amplified noise about urging them to sell is not going to do anything bar make it noisy and messy.

If any sale is to go through then it has to be a deal that both parties are happy with.  The only real way the fans can influence expediting it is by starving them out financially, might help make their minds up to cut their losses and realise that they have bled the fanbase about as much as they could - there are significant risks that come with this but the reality is, the only reason the owners need the fans is £ no matter what they say elsewhere.  Take the £ away and things get a little more complicated.

And btw I am not having a go at those buying ST's or attending games, i fully understand that for some it will happen regardless, that doesn't make those fans wrong in buying a new ST.  Everyone has to make their own mind up on how they move forward, the one thing that is not healthy is both sides having a dig at each other because of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:05:56
Surely, the longer he leaves the club spiralling downwards the less it’s worth. If, heaven forbid, we drop out of the EFL he, and we, are totally fucked. If he is to be believed he’ll constantly be having to put money into a depreciating asset.

Maybe whatever money STFC is generating is being siphoned off to keep Axis afloat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:09:12
Surely, the longer he leaves the club spiralling downwards the less it’s worth. If, heaven forbid, we drop out of the EFL he, and we, are totally fucked. If he is to be believed he’ll constantly be having to put money into a depreciating asset.

Maybe whatever money STFC is generating is being siphoned off to keep Axis afloat.

And maybe a significant drop in ST sales (which everyone expects) will be the trigger point.  Realisation that the cash cow that is the fanbase is running dry.  I fully expect the next time that we hear from him will be to state that the budget is reduced next season due to a drop in ST sales.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 12:03:46
…and this is the problem; if there is a viable alternative out there (and I don’t believe for a second there is) then staying in the shadows is exactly what they shouldn’t be doing. If hypothetical new owners wa t to buy the club the best thing they could do is go public.

They’d get backing from a large percentage of the fan base - hell two mythical guys in suits in the DRS experiencing the ‘real’ match day experience despite being life long fans got support and they don’t even exist!!!

Secondly those that are still pro Clem might get their heads turned if they saw there was actually another option.

The Trust should be doing what they can to bring anyone interested in buying the club to the forefront…

NDA’s.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 12:11:18
That’s only works if Clem is willing to sell.

If he (and whoever) are digging their heels in or holding out for an unrealistic asking price then letting everything run in the background won’t put any pressure on Clem (and whoever) to sell.



Shit or bust then.

Clem threw a lot of money in legal fees to make sure his £1m+ didn’t disappear into the ether, whether he got that back is another thing. Nothing more, nothing less. And his original investment was on the back of untold riches no matter how that materialised.

So to conclude, he was in it for making money, as has been the case of every owner in recent years.

Look where we are, look at what we’ve got. That is what is driving me from putting anymore money into the club.

Not sure when I will go again as others have I said. I hardly bothered with keeping tabs on Tuesday. I no longer even have the radio one to listen to free commentary.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 12:19:06
Outshining Jed & Co  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 13:08:10
Would anyone want to take over with the EFL charges still outstanding and seemingly no date for the Power / Standing court case which is what the EFL are waiting for, who knows what punishment they will want to magic up, then there is the chance the FA may jump on the bandwagon depending what comes out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 13:18:24
If it were me, I’d be speaking to the EFL, showing them my business plan and asking - for a friend - what the likely outcome would be for the club depending on the outcome. Do they give points deductions once a season is finished?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 13:49:47
The only small bit of ITK I was given in relation to a potential new owner was that interested parties were indeed nervous about taking the leap based on the muddy ownership situation and items such as the EFL/FA charges related to that.  That was late last year though.

It makes sense, when buying a football club it probably helps to know that you will own it, fully, when you hand over the money and have a clear idea of what the financial risks are.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 14:00:37
Does the outcome of the Power/Standing case have any financial implications for the club - other than any punishment from the EFL or FA?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 14:35:17
Does the outcome of the Power/Standing case have any financial implications for the club - other than any punishment from the EFL or FA?

The answer is - we just can't know.

The only thing we do know is that Standing had the option to block Clem's ownership through the various legal shenanigan's that were going on.  A judge ruled he had to give consent if I remember correctly.  Standing nodded Clem's move through and we know Clem was advised by Zav who was aware of the pre-emption rights.  We also know that a potential buyer was thrust into the equation, in Able, although their existence is not 100% proven.  In one case Power testified he was unaware of their interest, and in another he used them as a reason to try and leverage his position.

The big question in all that was why on earth would Standing let Clem take ownership if he was still contesting he was part owner with Power, and then not come knocking for his half?

None of that period makes sense.  Standing has continued to seek compensation from Power, who has continued to seek to defend the case rather than settle.  Clem has taken a back seat to that case in public, when it actually has huge impacts on the club.  You would think it would be in his interests to push for resolution and push the FA to hurry-up, while siding with Power to ensure his investment is not impacted.

It's all a mess, and all that is public knowledge, imagine what the stuff behind the scenes looks like.

That is what a buyer must assess - and they may not have willing parties to give them the necessary insight if it unravels any back room deals.

On top of all that, once it's concluded, we risk a punishment that could send us down a league (depending on our situation at the time and the number of points, if any).  Not to mention a financial fine to take into account.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 18:28:05
I agree with Robert that the potential impact of the legal cases is hindering any sale of the Club.
There is also the issue that apart from a large fan base (compared with many L1 and L2 clubs) the club isn’t really attractive as there are few assets to buy.
We have no proper training facility, a stadium which is part owned by the fans through a JV and which needs a huge investment to bring it up to a modern standard, and a first team squad which is in the process of delivering our lowest ever finish.
Ok the youth team have done really well, but the drop out rate between youth and first team football is enormous.
And the club runs at a significant loss - as do most clubs.
Unless they can somehow make money from stadium redevelopment I can’t see why anyone would buy the club for the sort of money which would pay back CM’s debt, let alone a higher figure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 19:06:47
I still dont understand why this court case and charges is taking so long. Its nearly 4 years ffs


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 19:22:34
I agree with Robert that the potential impact of the legal cases is hindering any sale of the Club.
There is also the issue that apart from a large fan base (compared with many L1 and L2 clubs) the club isn’t really attractive as there are few assets to buy.
We have no proper training facility, a stadium which is part owned by the fans through a JV and which needs a huge investment to bring it up to a modern standard, and a first team squad which is in the process of delivering our lowest ever finish.
Ok the youth team have done really well, but the drop out rate between youth and first team football is enormous.
And the club runs at a significant loss - as do most clubs.
Unless they can somehow make money from stadium redevelopment I can’t see why anyone would buy the club for the sort of money which would pay back CM’s debt, let alone a higher figure.
‘Runs at a significant loss’ with Clem running it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 19:31:32
Quote from: tans
I still dont understand why this court case and charges is taking so long. Its nearly 4 years ffs

court backlogs catching up from COVID?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 20:25:32
Another one to add to the collection

Rumour has it that a consortium Led by Ex Swindon Goal keeper Nicky Hammond interested buying Swindon! I bloody hope so!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 20:30:38
It is worth remembering that an STFC P&L loss on paper does not need to have a negative personal impact on the wealth of the owner.

There are some very criminal ways that a loss making business can work out well for an individual.

There are legitimate ways of running a business which are morally bankrupt (pardon the pun), which can insulate an individual against a loss making business they own.

Clem himself has been accused by a Liquidator of "shady dealings" shall we say, of moving money between business at the expense of the creditors, then liquidating said businesses.  In essence, the business recorded a large loss, but the creditors didn't get their money they were owed.  In such an event, it's impossible to tell the individual financial impact it had for Clem.  He could be quids in, or covered his losses, who knows.

It's also entirely feasible that money that he owed creditors was used to fund STFC.  He liquidated those businesses and pulled the rug on the creditors.  He moved the money through other entities, so STFC owes him/his business, and has no liability to those creditors (his hope).  The debt then moves to a new owner, who in turns pays Clem back his money.  Not saying that has happened, it's just what the Australia case/winding-up issue hints at.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 20:32:34
court backlogs catching up from COVID?

Courts and the whole criminal justice system have been gutted over the last decade.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 21:51:38
The people who still have belief that STFC are in safe hands need to read Roberts post very clearly.

In my opinion STFC is currently in its most vunerable position ever.

Suggest Power was, in the end lightweight and possibly a bit dumb.

These guys don't seem to care.    


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, March 15, 2024, 08:10:57
Another one to add to the collection

Rumour has it that a consortium Led by Ex Swindon Goal keeper Nicky Hammond interested buying Swindon! I bloody hope so!

Tansmedia started that rumour a few years back about Nicky Hammond taking over the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, March 15, 2024, 08:47:31
This is where the Trust should come in. Contact people who know people (like Hammond) and put out the call for help. If we don’t do that, we end up with what we have or more of the same from the underworld.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Friday, March 15, 2024, 13:24:25
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24187733.county-ground-the-tenth-dangerous-stadium-england/

County Ground 'the tenth most dangerous stadium in England'... Is it really that bad? I've never really encountered any trouble outside of the townend.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 15, 2024, 13:35:05
High risk of dying of boredom I guess?

Seriously though, I think this "study" appears to be absolute nonsense designed to mislead and generate clickbait:

Quote
A study conducted by Live Football Tickets to find which stadiums were the most dangerous by looking at the number of reported incidences of crime within a one-kilometre radius of the stadium, using data from data.police.uk, compared with the average number of spectators at games across the last three years.

So as I read this, it's looking for the amount of crime within one kilometre of the stadium AT ANY TIME (so not around game time) and without any actual link to football being required, hence:

Quote
Across the three-year period, there were 8,835 crime events by the County Ground, with violent and sexual offences being the most common crime, with 2,334 incidents of them, closely followed by 2,241 incidents of anti-social behaviour.

I'm not saying that STFC has no issues, but I don't think there have been 2,334 sexual or violent crimes at the CG in the last three years.

What I'm fairly sure this data is actually reflecting is... that the CG is in the centre of town so a kilometre radius around it contains a lot of housing and people. A kilometre radius around Colchester's ground (for example) is basically just a road.

On the other hand, this just makes the whole thing appear like it's nonsense based on bad data:

Quote
At the opposite end of the spectrum, Old Trafford was deemed the safest ground with just four reported incidents of crime around Manchester United games.


Pretty sure I've just spent far too long looking at this when I should have done something more useful.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 15, 2024, 13:53:39
I'm violently sick after most games


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:01:28
Some of our play at the CG has been criminal at times over the last few years, particularly the defending.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:11:22
55 years ago today ring a bell? Nothing about it on the club site.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:11:58
They know jack


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:18:46
55 years ago today ring a bell? Nothing about it on the club site.

Was it the moon landings?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:24:35
Was it the moon landings?

 :nonono:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:31:08
:nonono:

Woodstock?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Friday, March 15, 2024, 14:40:16
55 years ago today ring a bell? Nothing about it on the club site.

Shocking!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 15, 2024, 16:55:23
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/stfc-ab-meeting-agenda---february-2024.pdf

Feb advisory board minutes out, was held the day of the Bristol City youth cup game.

There is almost nothing in it, not even a bike rack update.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 15, 2024, 17:00:15
Interesting that Power v Standing is listed as an ongoing legal case for the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 15, 2024, 17:05:03
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/stfc-ab-meeting-agenda---february-2024.pdf

Feb advisory board minutes out, was held the day of the Bristol City youth cup game.

There is almost nothing in it, not even a bike rack update.



Christ alive that second fans question must be a pisstake?

Question: What is the reason for Swindon matches kicking off late please? Please can we
kick off at 3pm on a Saturday home fixture, not 3.02 or 3.03, and likewise at 7.45 on a
Tuesday, not 7.48 or 7.49.
Might it reveal a wider nonchalance at the club? I believe it is the little details that count.
Please see Dave Brailsford’s marginal gains and other sports theories for further analysis.
Please prove me wrong that it is not an uncaring attitude. All matches should kick off on
time. This is a minor matter but to me an important one.
Club Response :
Internally we were aware of a delay in going out against Tranmere and is something that we
have discussed. There are a number of factors that can lead to the teams coming out late.
However, should there be a delay to kick off, the match officials will report it, which to date
hasn’t happened this season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 15, 2024, 17:12:59
Progress for the JV kicked into the long grass again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, March 15, 2024, 17:14:49
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/siteassets/2023-24/advisory-board-minutes/stfc-ab-meeting-agenda---february-2024.pdf

Feb advisory board minutes out, was held the day of the Bristol City youth cup game.

There is almost nothing in it, not even a bike rack update.


I have done some research for you-

Walk from the County Hotel, past the Arkells stand to the top of the roadway. There are loads of bike racks on the pavement at the Arkells/ Stratton Bank corner.

I hope this helps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 15, 2024, 17:23:43
I have done some research for you-

Walk from the County Hotel, past the Arkells stand to the top of the roadway. There are loads of bike racks on the pavement at the Arkells/ Stratton Bank corner.

I hope this helps.

Surely the good people at the club would know this surely?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, March 15, 2024, 18:34:09
Progress for the JV kicked into the long grass again.

Consider me shocked!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, March 15, 2024, 18:35:23
Surely the good people at the club would know this surely?

They dont even know what we are spending money on so i wouldnt hold your breath


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Friday, March 15, 2024, 19:16:36
North American group close to deal in principle to buy Reading. Strangely only a few days after Reading reportedly sell their training ground to Wycombe, would have thought they might have waited for that if a sale was imminent?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: AbraMoDabre on Saturday, March 16, 2024, 00:49:23
North American group close to deal in principle to buy Reading. Strangely only a few days after Reading reportedly sell their training ground to Wycombe, would have thought they might have waited for that if a sale was imminent?

If I were the prospective buyer I’d be saying pull the plug on the training ground sale or the deal is off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, March 16, 2024, 09:22:35
If I were the prospective buyer I’d be saying pull the plug on the training ground sale or the deal is off.

Or take the amount they sell it for off the purchase price


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 17, 2024, 14:07:55
Just how does the JV work? Supposedly work has to start within 3 years of the JV being signed - not sure what constitutes ‘work’ though. If Clem et al keep kicking the can down the road have the Trust got any say in the matter?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 17, 2024, 14:51:22
Just how does the JV work? Supposedly work has to start within 3 years of the JV being signed - not sure what constitutes ‘work’ though. If Clem et al keep kicking the can down the road have the Trust got any say in the matter?

I thought it was 2


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, March 17, 2024, 15:10:47
3 years
https://truststfc.com/structure-of-the-purchase-and-lease/

https://truststfc.com/the-joint-venture-agreement/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 17, 2024, 15:41:16
We'll be dead by then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 17, 2024, 17:54:50
That Jason Lane fella (i know i know) reckons that as of the 3rd March, Flynn and Hatswell hadnt been paid their first part of their payoff which was due 28th February. Thats two weeks ago now though so who knows if it was true or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, March 18, 2024, 07:47:09
That Jason Lane fella (i know i know) reckons that as of the 3rd March, Flynn and Hatswell hadnt been paid their first part of their payoff which was due 28th February. Thats two weeks ago now though so who knows if it was true or not.
Oh Fuck,  here we go again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 18, 2024, 08:00:48
Does that really count as ‘non payment of wages’ as in a breach of the EFL rules though. Would it not be in the same category as a late payment to any creditor?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 18, 2024, 08:37:04
Does that really count as ‘non payment of wages’ as in a breach of the EFL rules though. Would it not be in the same category as a late payment to any creditor?

Good call. However, I think it  has to be contractual and within the managers original footballing contract with the club like a players, therefore I suspect it does come within the jurisdiction of FA & EFL rules. I could be wrong of course, just my initial thoughts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, March 18, 2024, 08:53:07
That Jason Lane fella (i know i know) reckons that as of the 3rd March, Flynn and Hatswell hadnt been paid their first part of their payoff which was due 28th February. Thats two weeks ago now though so who knows if it was true or not.

…is he mayes with Hatswell then?
Otherwise how tf would he know…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 18, 2024, 09:19:53
…is he mayes with Hatswell then?
Otherwise how tf would he know…
I wanna say it's been mentioned before that he went to school with Hatswell. Whether they're still connected now though, I'm not sure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 18, 2024, 10:28:37
Of course we dont know whether he is talking crap of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, March 18, 2024, 10:40:53
Whether it’s this or something else I think you can guarantee that the suspended bit of our embargo will get enforced in the summer. Can you really imagine this lot not having another ‘admin error’?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 18, 2024, 10:49:12
What does this mean?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, March 18, 2024, 10:51:07
Can't be a good thing no doubt


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 18, 2024, 10:51:37
What does this mean?

Not entirely sure, but it ain't positive I'm guessing

https://www.redflagalert.com/articles/credit-risk/why-would-a-company-get-first-gazette-notice#:~:text=A%20First%20Gazette%20Notice%20for,a%20second%20Gazette%20notice%20appears.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:00:07
What does this mean?

Although isn't AXIS Football Investments what we should be concerned with directly?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:09:22
Axis Sports Investments Ltd is the company which offered the security/guarantee for the advanced Twine money we received last summer. Believe this was because this company incorporates some of Clems London property.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:11:44
Can't be a good thing no doubt
(https://y.yarn.co/bd729a68-a0f8-4a43-a303-04908089d283_text.gif)

(https://y.yarn.co/4b4b7110-9e5b-4ee3-ad77-9812700267d9_text.gif)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:17:44
Axis Sports Investments Ltd is the company which offered the security/guarantee for the advanced Twine money we received last summer. Believe this was because this company incorporates some of Clems London property.
So would it be logical to think they’ve had the money and not paid it back ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:18:23
Oh look, another admin error.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:29:17
So would it be logical to think they’ve had the money and not paid it back ?
There are 3 outstanding charges against Axis Sports Investments Ltd that haven't been satisfied, including this one. So that possibility is possible!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Monday, March 18, 2024, 11:43:05
God I hate this ownership right now. Someone buy this club, please  :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 18, 2024, 12:08:43
He does of course forfeit the security of the office(s) put up if it gets that far.

(I think that's what he put up?!).

Does he even have need for said offices now Axis UK is dead?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 18, 2024, 14:26:20
Just looking at our stats, particularly our away stats.
We've won 2 out of 19 away games, the first was gump away, and we only won with a 94th minute FBT goal. The other away win was Accrington where we nearly threw away a 4 goal lead in injury time  :doh:
We could nearly have had a season with nil away wins, so although we had an overall good start to the season it does show the problem was lurking from the beginning.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, March 18, 2024, 14:50:30
Just looking at our stats, particularly our away stats.
We've won 2 out of 19 away games, the first was gump away, and we only won with a 94th minute FBT goal. The other away win was Accrington where we nearly threw away a 4 goal lead in injury time  :doh:
We could nearly have had a season with nil away wins, so although we had an overall good start to the season it does show the problem was lurking from the beginning.

Fair points, and not disputing how awful we've been, but if you're going to mention all the points we were fortunate to win you should probably mention the ones we should've won too.

Off the top of my head, we conceded last minute equalisers to Salford and Wrexham away. Late goal to Morecambe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, March 18, 2024, 15:39:56
I think most rational fans were saying that this was going to come back and bite us on the arse, even during the unbeaten run, not many expected the chomp to be so big though, but then at that point we didn't realise that an asset stripping operation was in it's infancy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 18, 2024, 16:06:50
Oh look, another admin error.

Do you think Clem realised he can't say that now without being laughed at? Seemed to take him genuinely by surprise at the fans forum.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 18, 2024, 18:05:31
I’d hazard a guess that Notts County being in freefall is just about as spectacular as ours.

Never looked forward to a season’s end as this one.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 18, 2024, 18:29:46
Have we sold the video camera?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 18, 2024, 20:42:40
It's in the boot of the Merc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 11:30:14
Gunning suspended?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/jN8uiueQw2WQs2XS/?mibextid=K35XfP


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 11:36:25
Isn't that one of those spam sites


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 11:53:38
Nothing on the official site.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 12:46:05
those spam sites are popping up all over the place on FB.

Hope they get on top of them soon


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 13:42:07
He's in talks to take on the role permanently but he has to agree to uphold Clem's legacy of ensuring we finish lower in the table every season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 13:51:44
Aiming to make our big derby game supermarine


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 14:24:20
Nothing more on the crypto wind up then?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 14:28:08
Most bazaar. Didn't have JoeMezz as a WUM, maybe he was wound up too, maybe I'm wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 14:44:26
Most bazaar. Didn't have JoeMezz as a WUM, maybe he was wound up too, maybe I'm wrong.

JM has some form if I remember.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 14:47:21
Was a dick move  :smugfu:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 15:13:48
In the world of takeovers, any stark update in a week is really unlikely to be honest. Also want to say that someone sat in that area said they spotted someone young in a suit sat there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 15:15:40
In the world of takeovers, any stark update in a week is really unlikely to be honest. Also want to say that someone sat in that area said they spotted someone young in a suit sat there?
I did see someone dressed quite smartly - more so than one would expect for your average person in a non hospitality area. Whether or not that was a coincidence or not I am unable to say!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 15:52:10
I did see someone dressed quite smartly - more so than one would expect for your average person in a non hospitality area. Whether or not that was a coincidence or not I am unable to say!

Young chap wearing the bowler / derby type hat?
Not sure I've ever seen headgear like that at a game before.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:00:06
Young chap wearing the bowler / derby type hat?
Not sure I've ever seen headgear like that at a game before.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnMYq4kWYAA2hZP.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:06:07
Clockwork Orange?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:12:50
well, he won't be Billy bullshitting and telling people in again. Not under that username anyway


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:21:21
I did see a young lad in a suit sat in the area that was suggested pre match. But guessing that could have just been his mate who he knew would be sat there and come straight from work or something soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:25:29
Tbh, I can’t see why he’d out and out bullshit about that - it’s just asking for abuse. He may well have been told something by someone and just passed it one in good faith.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:41:08
Tbh, I can’t see why he’d out and out bullshit about that - it’s just asking for abuse. He may well have been told something by someone and just passed it one in good faith.
This, I am sure he passed on this info having been told it was true and he was just sharing it with us, sometimes they turn out to be true sometimes not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 16:46:04
This, I am sure he passed on this info having been told it was true and he was just sharing it with us, sometimes they turn out to be true sometimes not.

Ah, damned if they do and damned if they don’t.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:10:31
I'm so eager for a believable rumour of a takeover I really wanted to believe it, but just couldn't.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:14:51
I'm so eager for a believable rumour of a takeover I really wanted to believe it, but just couldn't.
I think we are all on heightened alert in the hope that there will be an end to this misery, thats fully understandable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:16:45
I know a woman who is desperate to buy the club- she just needs to win the Euromillions mega rollover jackpot first.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:20:55
A local business owner has highlighted on Facebook that the company who sells and organises the advertising hoardings on behalf of the club have been misleading the prospective advertisers of where their advertising will be placed. This one particular business owner was told it would be placed crowd facing in the Arkells behind the dugouts, but instead it's crowd facing in front of the away fans - advertising to people who won't be a target audience for the local business. Apparently it's since been rectified, but poor form nonetheless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:34:56
A lot of clubs have gone down the digital advertising board route now. Must be more earning potential than clapped out hoardings & the tech has moved on since the eye straining thing that Jed had put in briefly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:42:02
A lot of clubs have gone down the digital advertising board route now. Must be more earning potential than clapped out hoardings & the tech has moved on since the eye straining thing that Jed had put in briefly.

Only properly noticed the “Next match” board in person last home match, Jesus Christ what a monstrosity that is even without the dodgy letters. Better off (without knowing the financials) investing in some sort of digital board with the next match and then rotated business adverts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 17:47:05
Tbh, I can’t see why he’d out and out bullshit about that - it’s just asking for abuse. He may well have been told something by someone and just passed it one in good faith.

Yep this by the looks of it. I won't be passing on any info again, no point really if it turns out not to be true you look a bit of a twat. Sorry guys


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:15:29
Yep this by the looks of it. I won't be passing on any info again, no point really if it turns out not to be true you look a bit of a twat. Sorry guys

No real harm done fella.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:18:32
I am guessing that nobody has seen the club statement..

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/club-statement-football-governance-bill

Fan engagement, what fan engagement...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:21:17
The only fan engagement at STFC is when the shit hits it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:46:29
The only fan engagement at STFC is when the shit hits it.

Or when sponsors do things for free, like cleaning the Rolex clock.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:46:47
They actually think they are doing ok dont they.

Its mental


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:47:21
Quote from: JoeMezz
Yep this by the looks of it. I won't be passing on any info again, no point really if it turns out not to be true you look a bit of a twat. Sorry guys

I can cope with fake rumours passed on in good faith. Can't cope with directly made up rumours.

I know it's only a degree of separation but it's the intent


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:47:56
Yep this by the looks of it. I won't be passing on any info again, no point really if it turns out not to be true you look a bit of a twat. Sorry guys

Nothing to be sorry about, we did get a little bit excited for a second when we was someone wearing a suit though 😂


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:48:28
Quote from: Berniman
I am guessing that nobody has seen the club statement..

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/club-statement-football-governance-bill (https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/club-statement-football-governance-bill)

Fan engagement, what fan engagement...

That's the EFL making them pretend to care


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 18:55:55

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnMYq4kWYAA2hZP.jpg)


A Tom Paton School Reunion?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 19:07:17

They actually think they are doing ok don't they.

Its mental


It is what high grade Belushi does to people like that. They think everything they do is so amazing and super radical idea - when really most of it is just complete bullshit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 19:08:40
A lot of clubs have gone down the digital advertising board route now. Must be more earning potential than clapped out hoardings & the tech has moved on since the eye straining thing that Jed had put in briefly.

i know its not a measurement of success but it does smack of being left behind. I may be wrong but it seems the vast majority of league 2 teams have electronic advertising boards. short term pain long term gain seems too obvious for our owners.

would make it so much more attractive to businesses looking to sponsor individual games if their advert was going around the stadium.  

i used to sponsor players and hospitality elements. always as a fan and never really for business benefits. that could change for the right package, i haven't even been approached over the last 3 years and they used to be in touch all the time with offers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 19:09:34

Yep this by the looks of it. I won't be passing on any info again, no point really if it turns out not to be true you look a bit of a twat. Sorry guys


Not sure why everyone is giving you an easy ride. You should be sent to Borstal and to bed with no tea. Awaywhitye  ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 19:16:58
They actually think they are doing ok dont they.

Its mental

That middle paragraph  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 19:17:15
Quote from: singingiiiffy
i know its not a measurement of success but it does smack of being left behind. .

we did put planning permission in for a score board style advertising thing didn't we?

what happened to that


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 20:39:09
we did put planning permission in for a score board style advertising thing didn't we?

what happened to that

No idea, we did have the temporary screens up for the chelsea game I believe as I was a substitution sponsor!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 21:28:47
Earlier this season I remember we put plans in for something like that, your guess is as good as mine as to what happened with them...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 21:33:37
Earlier this season I remember we put plans in for something like that, your guess is as good as mine as to what happened with them...

They found out nobody would do it for free, so moved on


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 08:52:37
What happened to the fan zone idea?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 08:56:41
I have done some research for you-

Walk from the County Hotel, past the Arkells stand to the top of the roadway. There are loads of bike racks on the pavement at the Arkells/ Stratton Bank corner.

I hope this helps.


They arent bike racks- they are metal barriers to stop cars driving onto the extension grass area. Granted you could lock a bike to it, but its nothing the club have actively done and its hardly a secure place.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 09:11:11
What happened to the fan zone idea?

They did a trial Willy Wonka fanzone in Glasgow and realised it wouldnt work out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 09:33:39
What happened to the fan zone idea?

The OSC were looking in to it (I know because I did some research for them) and basically it was going to need some investment & would take a few years to be able to cover the cost, but Clem wanted it as a money making thing much quicker so took over the research/setup, hence why nothing has happened.

Was then suggested it would be included as part of the stadium development


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 09:50:06
The OSC were looking in to it (I know because I did some research for them) and basically it was going to need some investment & would take a few years to be able to cover the cost, but Clem wanted it as a money making thing much quicker so took over the research/setup, hence why nothing has happened.

Was then suggested it would be included as part of the stadium development

The problem with everything thats been talked about. Unless it generates revenue instantly Clem is not interested. We will go nowhere unless they invest first knowing the returns come in a few years.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 12:55:36
They did a trial Willy Wonka fanzone in Glasgow and realised it wouldnt work out.

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 13:00:27
The Fanzone at Crystal Palace is little more than a few food and drink vans and some novelty games/mini outlet. I don't think it needs to be that deep...  it's not much more complicated than any mobile catering popup. I recall the Trust survey asking if members would be interested in 'eating at a fanzone on a non matchday' - i'm not sure a full time food court on the Shrivenham Road would really work.

Pave a bit, have a guest food van every week, have a portakabin bar, have some football screens, fence it off, stick two blokes on the entrance - how hard is it?

In short, a fanzone is just a slightly more co-ordinated version of what they stick outside the Town End anyway. Not really needed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 14:31:11
Yep - local to me here, we have someone who purchased a plot of Brownfield land, where something like a warehouse had been ripped down so just a concrete pad and tarmac left.  They converted that into a Food Truck site - so some of them are there every day, others rotate.  Nothing much more complex would be needed, and you are only filling a few hours each time there is a match on.  You create a space big enough for five or six to pull up, so it attracts a crowd who at least want to have a look and see what is on offer.  Then allow some sponsored activities, pay to play even.  Have a small, external, pop up club shop, and you are done.

Longer term, you could steal another idea I have seen work well here - add a Micro Brewery/Taphouse to the development at the Town End.  No need to cater - have the fanzone next to it and invite food trucks to act as the catering, reducing the capital outlay and ongoing operating expenses for the facility, but creating a flexible space that can be expanded for match days.  Multiple food trucks on matchday, rotate the service in the evenings only for Weds-Sunday for example.

Similar to how the Tap set-up in Old Town (where they had someone else do Pizza), but on a bigger scale.

These are all things that could have been delivered (fanzone) or reached Planning by now.

FFS - 19 years ago I managed to hire a bunch of blow-up stuff with a few friends to support the L&P idea, we actually turned a profit (which was used towards materials/flags etc).  Some of it was a bit naff, but it catered to the kids and families, who loved a little distraction around the ground.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 14:39:50
At the start of the last couple of seasons we have several food vans in the CG car park offering a wide range of food. As the season wears on they disappear, presumably not viable.

I don't think there's the appetite (pun intended)



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 14:42:18
The Fanzone at Crystal Palace is little more than a few food and drink vans and some novelty games/mini outlet. I don't think it needs to be that deep...  it's not much more complicated than any mobile catering popup. I recall the Trust survey asking if members would be interested in 'eating at a fanzone on a non matchday' - i'm not sure a full time food court on the Shrivenham Road would really work.

Pave a bit, have a guest food van every week, have a portakabin bar, have some football screens, fence it off, stick two blokes on the entrance - how hard is it?

In short, a fanzone is just a slightly more co-ordinated version of what they stick outside the Town End anyway. Not really needed.

Already have this essentially, don't we? Three or four food vans across the Town End side of the ground. Only change would be one selling alcohol and it fenced off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 14:43:27
At the start of the last couple of seasons we have several food vans in the CG car park offering a wide range of food. As the season wears on they disappear, presumably not viable.

I don't think there's the appetite (pun intended)



They were still there start of the season before I stopped attending. Had a lovely couple of slices from a Pizza and Co van back in the August/September heatwave.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 14:43:40
At the start of the last couple of seasons we have several food vans in the CG car park offering a wide range of food. As the season wears on they disappear, presumably not viable.

I don't think there's the appetite (pun intended)



Or the outside vans start to make more money than the inhouse slop that is served in the stands and the club dont get a big cut of what the outside vans are making so fuck them off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 14:58:32
Already have this essentially, don't we? Three or four food vans across the Town End side of the ground. Only change would be one selling alcohol and it fenced off.

Well quite - do I want to drink behind a chain linked fence from a bar that has the same stuff as the concourse, or do I want to be in the concourse/County Ground hotel/Legends Lounge?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:05:21
https://www.itfc.co.uk/portmanroad/fanzone/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:08:38
We should introduce a "fanmoan" area giving supporters the opportunities to vent their spleens, whilst having the opportunity to purchase warm plastic bottles of Carling for £7.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:08:57
https://www.itfc.co.uk/portmanroad/fanzone/

We had a zoom meeting with the guys that run that, they said it took them a few years to build it up to get people interested. Now they have to turn people away.

That was part of the problem, Clem wasn’t keen on the outlay to build up a client base


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:14:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKl7L0drCes

I am sure someone with half a brain could get this off the ground and build it out - the initial outlay would be minimal (vs development of the ground itself).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:15:45
If the club were serious about making money, they'd lease the space for someone to set it up themselves, outsource it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:16:42
Maybe the car wash operator can have a bash, they may need a bike rack though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:30:33
Or the outside vans start to make more money than the inhouse slop that is served in the stands and the club dont get a big cut of what the outside vans are making so fuck them off.

Why anyone would buy in the ground is beyond me. The quality difference is night and day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:41:10
The steak pasties in the ground are great.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:52:10
You get a whole foot of sausage roll. A whole foot!

Unless you're a mug and get the vegan one like I did, then you get half as much for only about 60p less.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 15:54:20
Pies in the ground are good as are the chicken/bacon/leek pasties.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 16:38:28
You get a whole foot of sausage roll. A whole foot!
Tried one, thought it was really really grim. Pastry 'ok' I suppose, wrapping sludge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 16:43:23
Imagine the fat content  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 17:02:43
The steak pasties in the ground are great.

They are decent, the foot long sausage roll is horrible.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 17:25:50
They are decent, the foot long sausage roll is horrible.
Bring back the chicken balti pies.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 17:59:43
They dont even have Bovril nowadays do they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 18:06:11
They are decent, the foot long sausage roll is horrible.

I'll only eat the steak pasties, had a vegan one once when they'd run out of steak   :puke:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 18:21:42
Vegan sausage rolls are worth a punt, I like them


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 18:40:50
They dont even have Bovril nowadays do they?

Normally. There was a sign at the TE shack saying "no Bovril" last game.

They didn't have Pepsi Max for two games in a row either not so long ago

I guess they don't want to overstock!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 19:15:56
Bring back the chicken balti pies.

This.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 19:16:55

They are decent, the foot long sausage roll is horrible.

Agree.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 19:39:17
Fuck me, I remember not to long ago seeing a family of Sherman Tanks in the magic kingdom in Orlando with these ‘hot dogs’ that looked like elephant trunks.

Oh and those smoked Turkey legs you could club someone to death with.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 19:46:36
I think we’re breaching the 80% bollocks on this thread.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 20:08:01
I think we’re breaching the 80% bollocks on this thread.

That's in the footlong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 20:34:33
I think we’re breaching the 80% bollocks on this thread.

You’ve obviously never been there have you Aud?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 20:41:29
It’s been a very slow week on the forum - it’s understandably descended into bollocks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 20:42:43
It’s going to get slower😁


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, March 20, 2024, 21:34:23
It’s been a very slow week on the forum - it’s understandably descended into bollocks.

Even the 25% is debatable.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 08:53:59
No game Saturday and the club can't even be arsed to fill the void - not even any training pictures/videos or messages from Clem in sight.

This is probably a good week for the players to sit down with their agents and work out an exit strategy, or for the more adventurous of them, how to earn an extension to their contract.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 08:54:45
how to earn an extension to their contract.

Accept lower terms, that should do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 09:16:36
No game Saturday and the club can't even be arsed to fill the void - not even any training pictures/videos or messages from Clem in sight.

Hmmm, where's the big season ticket push this year?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 09:21:27
That’s the new owner’s job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 10:20:19
That’s the new owner’s job.

Does make you wonder eh?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:14:02
Said I was renewing earlier this week as I live a fair way out of town.
Think I will also hold off as don't want the current crooks taking the money and running.
Why always us,


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:28:08
We seem to have been caught in a never ending loop of chancers and crooks. Who knows what’s really happening behind the facade of the football club. If, as we think, it’s a right tangle of unsavoury shenanigans, the club can really only get passed around more chancers.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:29:06
Everything just reeks of an exit strategy doesnt it.

Power did the same.

Sooner they go the better.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:30:21
He took the club to the brink, though. Knowing how dumb Clem appears he may well, unwittingly, tip us right over the edge.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:40:29
I think part of the problem is that if he started the hard sell for ST renewals he would (quite rightly) get a lot of negative responses. I think the hope was things would pick up after January and they could use that as a promise that things would get better, the fact that it is equally as bad (if not worse) has somewhat scuppered that plan.

I’ve heard a vague rumour that they are talking to potential new managers, so maybe that’s what they are hoping will encourage some to renew. Unless it’s a blow your socks off appointment (which it’s not going to be is it) then I think they are going to be very disappointed


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:40:57
Everything just reeks of an exit strategy doesnt it.
Was speaking to a couple of TEF'rs about this very thing last week.

I think (hope) we are getting to endgame.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 11:55:26
It's far from good obviously,but for me the nadir of this season on the pitch was Wimbledon away. We've come close but I don't think any performance since has been actually worse than that. We absolutely showed nothing for even a single minute of that game


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 12:05:18
It's far from good obviously,but for me the nadir of this season on the pitch was Wimbledon away. We've come close but I don't think any performance since has been actually worse than that. We absolutely showed nothing for even a single minute of that game

I think it started in the 90th minute at Accrington, 4-0 up and cruising and almost lost.

However the facts are we have 10 points in the last 11 games since Gav took charge, before that with a depleted squad we had 11 points in 11, so we can agree no real improvement.
The irony was we had a bit of the new coach bounce, but it has got increasingly shit under Gav for the last few games (second half at Mansfield being the exception).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 13:02:28
It's far from good obviously,but for me the nadir of this season on the pitch was Wimbledon away. We've come close but I don't think any performance since has been actually worse than that. We absolutely showed nothing for even a single minute of that game

But my son did have what he calls "the best ever burger" in the Argentinian place down from the tube station. So at least there was that!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: adje on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 13:24:17
But my son did have what he calls "the best ever burger" in the Argentinian place down from the tube station. So at least there was that!
Yeah, the Peri Chicken place just outside the ground was bloody good too!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 13:25:28
I think part of the problem is that if he started the hard sell for ST renewals he would (quite rightly) get a lot of negative responses. I think the hope was things would pick up after January and they could use that as a promise that things would get better, the fact that it is equally as bad (if not worse) has somewhat scuppered that plan.

I’ve heard a vague rumour that they are talking to potential new managers, so maybe that’s what they are hoping will encourage some to renew. Unless it’s a blow your socks off appointment (which it’s not going to be is it) then I think they are going to be very disappointed

I imagine it'll be 3000 season ticket next year regardless of who the manager is. Those like myself are disillusioned and won't renew, then people like my dad who will always go no matter not will renew. I think we have around 3000 in that latter bracket.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 13:52:23
I imagine it'll be 3000 season ticket next year regardless of who the manager is. Those like myself are disillusioned and won't renew, then people like my dad who will always go no matter not will renew. I think we have around 3000 in that latter bracket.
Definately this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 14:05:24
I imagine it'll be 3000 season ticket next year regardless of who the manager is. Those like myself are disillusioned and won't renew, then people like my dad who will always go no matter not will renew. I think we have around 3000 in that latter bracket.
That would still be quite a statement from the fans though, a 4 figure drop off would be huge both in terms of club income and a vote of no confidence in the ownership.

I just look forward to the select group of self proclaimed ‘super fans’ criticising us all for not renewing saying we aren’t ‘true’ fans.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 14:09:04
That would still be quite a statement from the fans though, a 4 figure drop off would be huge both in terms of club income and a vote of no confidence in the ownership.

I just look forward to the select group of self proclaimed ‘super fans’ criticising us all for not renewing saying we aren’t ‘true’ fans.

But what does it change?

The owners gut expenditure even further, the playing budget is slashed, we end up non league. Not great for anyone really is it. Doesn't make the club any more attractive to new owners either.

Its for everyone to make their own decision, but it doesn't force the owners to sell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 14:35:42
Doing nothing changes nothing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 14:51:43
But what does it change?

The owners gut expenditure even further, the playing budget is slashed, we end up non league. Not great for anyone really is it. Doesn't make the club any more attractive to new owners either.

Its for everyone to make their own decision, but it doesn't force the owners to sell.
Well I’d argue any money people spend on the club isn’t going into the playing budget anyway as it’s clear it’s almost non existent. All paying money to the club is doing is subsidising one of Morfuni’s failing businesses. If he doesn’t have the income to cover costs then he’ll have to sell or put the club in admin eventually so it will force the issue. I’d rather it’s sorted one way or another now rather than a slow painful demise.

Previously you said we should all still attend matches and protest during them? I couldn’t think of anything of a more ridiculous idea, so we all stump up £400 again for a season ticket again just to allow us to protest during games? I’m not going to give money to an ownership I despise and the owners aren’t going to give a shit about protests if people are effectively paying them to for the privilege of protesting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 14:58:45
Doing nothing changes nothing

Doing something doesn't always drive change for the good.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:00:29
Was speaking to a couple of TEF'rs about this very thing last week.

I think (hope) we are getting to endgame.

God I hope so. And not just to Chris Kielys wife, Michael Standings dog walker, Zav Austins laundry assistant or Adam Harts drug smuggler.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:03:28
That would still be quite a statement from the fans though, a 4 figure drop off would be huge both in terms of club income and a vote of no confidence in the ownership.

I just look forward to the select group of self proclaimed ‘super fans’ criticising us all for not renewing saying we aren’t ‘true’ fans.

Already seen it. Already had 'loyal' jibes on here even for saying I'm done with the club until the crooks go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:04:52
Doing something doesn't always drive change for the good.

True, but if you think the club is doomed anyway little to lose.

Though your point is essentially doing that makes it a self fulfilling proficy I guess.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:08:03
At the end of the day lads if you want to pay for cocaine I can probably get you a number and you'll actually get some. Pointless funding Adam Harts next shipment and getting nothing out of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:31:42
True, but if you think the club is doomed anyway little to lose.

Though your point is essentially doing that makes it a self fulfilling proficy I guess.

The point I think I was trying to make was be careful what you wish for.

Who on here really knows what will happen if we do nothing? In exactly the same way as we don't really know what the outcome of any protest action taken by fans will be.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:40:28
We've gone overnight from 200/1 to 50/1 to be relegated. A few bets moving the market or inside knowledge of a point deduction we reckon?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 15:44:19
I think one near certainty is that under Clem {or whoever is pulling strings ''Hi Kinnahan'' etc}, STFC will end up in Non-League. That may even be next season.

Imagine, Town stay up by 8pts and due to yet another ''admin error'', the club get a 10pt deduction  :crash:

Regardless, with no infrastructure and leadership changes, I {and very shamefully so} have Town tipped to be relegated end of 2024/25 season  :cry:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Moss on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 16:05:07
Bring back Lee Power all is forgiven. At least we had a decent fucking side even if he was an odious cunt ruining the club. Now we have the same but a shit football team to go with it. I' think I am finally done with STFC. Just don't really care anymore - resigned to relegation next year. Have not looked at the league table since about October. Cheers Clem. Cunt.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 16:17:54

Bring back Lee Power all is forgiven. At least we had a decent fucking side even if he was an odious cunt ruining the club. Now we have the same but a shit football team to go with it. I' think I am finally done with STFC. Just don't really care anymore - resigned to relegation next year. Have not looked at the league table since about October. Cheers Clem. Cunt.


It is very much noted in the court stuff between Clem and Power, that Power stated his concerns as to whether are not Mr Morfuni did have the money to invest and ultimately run the club sufficiently.

Many would say all that has really happened is that we've jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. Most wouldn't want to jump back into the pan so it looks like we either descend into hell or a genuine angel investor arrives on the horizon, There tends to be a big reason why angel investors don't often invest in football clubs and especially one such as STFC right now - Sharks.

My guess is that ''Hell'' is the only really viable option right now. It's not a Rollercoaster anymore, it's ''La Chambre Des Horreur'' and I would very much like to leave - preferably with my deferred refund


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 17:04:04
The point I think I was trying to make was be careful what you wish for.

Who on here really knows what will happen if we do nothing?

Can only really go on what's gone before. Clem needs to change his MO pretty drastically for anything good to happen and I'm just not seeing anything to say he is.

Might get lucky but ...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 17:39:58
You’d have thought with how badly things are going atm, somebody - Clem, Hall - would have come out with some sort of statement to rally the troops.

Unless . . .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 17:44:02
Didn't he do that in the monthly update video he said back in January he would post? Don't tell me they havn't done one yet


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 18:14:29


Previously you said we should all still attend matches and protest during them? I couldn’t think of anything of a more ridiculous idea, so we all stump up £400 again for a season ticket again just to allow us to protest during games? I’m not going to give money to an ownership I despise and the owners aren’t going to give a shit about protests if people are effectively paying them to for the privilege of protesting.
Understand your point but if you’re going to attend all home games next season and pay on the day you’ll end up giving them even more money.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 18:41:20
Understand your point but if you’re going to attend all home games next season and pay on the day you’ll end up giving them even more money.
Only up to the point where he says fuck it I’m not going anymore. With a ST you’ve sold you soul to the devil come what May.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 18:44:15
Quote from: TailBetweenLegs
Didn't he do that in the monthly update video he said back in January he would post? Don't tell me they havn't done one yet

to be fair that was supposed to bridge the gap between advisory board meetings when it goes to once every two months.

I don't think that's started yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 19:09:52
Understand your point but if you’re going to attend all home games next season and pay on the day you’ll end up giving them even more money.
Well no, I won’t be doing that either. Morfuni doesn’t get another penny from me and I’m certainly not going to effectively pay him for the privilege to protest, it’s a ludicrous idea.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 20:19:30
to be fair that was supposed to bridge the gap between advisory board meetings when it goes to once every two months.

I don't think that's started yet.
Believe in February AB notes they said they’d be doing it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 21, 2024, 20:25:00
fair enough.

wasn't going to hold my breath to be honest


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, March 22, 2024, 00:15:15
Not helpful or productive of anything but if you rearrange the letters in ''Clemente Morfuni''
it creates the anagram:


C  L  E  M  E  N  T  E      M  O  R  F  U  N  I

C  L  E  E  N    M  I     F  O  R  T  U  N  E  M

C  U  N  T    M  I  N  E    F  R  O  M    L  E  E

A  B  S  O  L  U  T  E      C  U  N  T    R  A  G
Weird but there you go  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, March 22, 2024, 09:38:31
Not helpful or productive of anything but if you rearrange the letters in ''Clemente Morfuni''
it creates the anagram:


C  L  E  M  E  N  T  E      M  O  R  F  U  N  I

C  L  E  E  N    M  I     F  O  R  T  U  N  E  M

C  U  N  T    M  I  N  E    F  R  O  M    L  E  E

A  B  S  O  L  U  T  E      C  U  N  T    R  A  G
Weird but there you go  :soapy tit wank:

That's brilliant!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 22, 2024, 09:56:45
brilliant but seemingly inaccurate, at least the "Absolute Cunt Rag" part is, there is no A, B or S in Clemente Morfuni.

Cunt Mine from Lee is rather good though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 22, 2024, 10:07:06
brilliant but seemingly inaccurate, at least the "Absolute Cunt Rag" part is, there is no A, B or S in Clemente Morfuni.

Not sure where you've got that from, there's an enormous amount of BS in Clem Morfuni.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 22, 2024, 10:17:31
Not sure where you've got that from, there's an enormous amount of BS in Clem Morfuni.

Ha - very good Nemo! :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 22, 2024, 12:34:45
Let's play devils advocate - what needs to happen for ST holders to return - regardless of who is the owner, as a starting point:

 - CEO with experience of running football club(s)

- Decent Manager appointed with back room staff

- Real proper investment in squad

- Experienced players signed who are not just cheap punts




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 22, 2024, 12:49:32
Yeah, all of them. Just for starters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 22, 2024, 12:50:51
None of that will happen during the summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 22, 2024, 12:55:07
Let's play devils advocate - what needs to happen for ST holders to return - regardless of who is the owner, as a starting point:

 - CEO with experience of running football club(s)

- Decent Manager appointed with back room staff

- Real proper investment in squad

- Experienced players signed who are not just cheap punts
As it stands there is zero likelihood of any of those options being fulfilled by the current owner.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, March 22, 2024, 13:06:25
Let's play devils advocate - what needs to happen for ST holders to return - regardless of who is the owner, as a starting point:

 - CEO with experience of running football club(s)

- Decent Manager appointed with back room staff

- Real proper investment in squad

- Experienced players signed who are not just cheap punts



None of that will be enough for me to return.

New ownership or nothing for me personally. They'll likely do a few of those things and once the season has started sack them all anyway and go back to scrimping and saving


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 22, 2024, 13:21:10
Yeah i think it's time for a completely new brush rather than Trigger's one which we are experiencing with the current mob.

All of those things that Power to people stated and more needs to happen. The whole place needs an overhaul.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 22, 2024, 13:29:33
New ownership for me. I’ll go - selectively - on matchdays but no ST.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Friday, March 22, 2024, 15:08:08
New owner. I’ve made the decision not to attend anymore games and not to renew my ST until he’s gone. I’m just not enjoying it anymore. It’s supposed to be enjoyable, right?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, March 22, 2024, 17:14:02
Let's play devils advocate - what needs to happen for ST holders to return - regardless of who is the owner, as a starting point:

 - CEO with experience of running football club(s)

- Decent Manager appointed with back room staff

- Real proper investment in squad

- Experienced players signed who are not just cheap punts



None of them for me, current ownership doesn’t get another penny so new owner or nothing. What’s the point in putting money in the club if you’re not sure it actually goes into the club or isn’t being used for nefarious activities.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 22, 2024, 19:50:53
New owner. Clem has shown he doesn't know what he's doing, and unwilling/unable to pay to employ people that do. In doing so, he's guaranteeing this club will get relegated in the next couple of years. Ingrained 'fuck it, that'll do' culture at this club now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 22, 2024, 19:51:02
None of that will be enough for me to return.

New ownership or nothing for me personally. They'll likely do a few of those things and once the season has started sack them all anyway and go back to scrimping and saving

Or appoint a manager like Flynn, sign a few decent players and look like putting a squad together and then suddenly lose the cheque book.

I mean if we're lucky we can have a good start to save us from relegation again for a third season in a row.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 22, 2024, 19:57:45
I've already said I'm done with any sort of funding until there is a new owner, its more a question about what I would do if the club was sold.

If I really felt the club was in good hands, I'd probably get a season ticket. But I'd need to be really confident the crooks were gone. I'd probably come back to going to most games getting cheaper tickets through a mate at Nationwide, etc. and see how it plays out first.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, March 23, 2024, 15:51:35
Ditto no ST money for me until new ownership and a complete new broom

What are the trust doing? You would’ve thought they would be more active but it’s just radio silence


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, March 23, 2024, 18:52:48
Ditto no ST money for me until new ownership and a complete new broom

What are the trust doing? You would’ve thought they would be more active but it’s just radio silence

yes,  they should be insisting on no more immigrant scroungers playing for us!!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 10:22:34
Had a thouroughly fun evening at the ice hockey last night, as did my kid... previously had season tickets there before he was born, at a time when I gave up my Town season ticket to do so. History might be repeating itself...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 10:49:15
what time do they usually start? could one have both in better times or would it be a challenge to get over there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 11:53:55
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
what time do they usually start? could one have both in better times or would it be a challenge to get over there?

looks like they are 6:30 face offs now. so easily doable

I think they used to be earlier which made it a bit of a rush


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 13:24:32
Yup, used to be earlier face offs. Doable now, but used to get two adult hockey season tickets for the same as one adult Town season ticket, now the hockey is more expensive of the two! Adult and u15 season ticket comes to £700  :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 13:42:32
blimey. that is pricey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 13:47:59
The "let's go Wildcats" chant always struck me as a 45rpm record played at 33rpm with a distinct lack of enthusiasm.
Then again I might be thinking of a staged effort to support a local news feature.

Is face off a literal term when it comes to ice hockey?

Wonder if the ownership are losing any sleep over the football club being in contention for worst sporting outfit in the Borough. Is the basketball team still going?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 13:56:23
The "let's go Wildcats" chant always struck me as a 45rpm record played at 33rpm with a distinct lack of enthusiasm.
Then again I might be thinking of a staged effort to support a local news feature.

Is face off a literal term when it comes to ice hockey?

Wonder if the ownership are losing any sleep over the football club being in contention for worst sporting outfit in the Borough. Is the basketball team still going?

Nah, they had to fold WB as their net spend was too high.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 14:08:35
Nah, they had to fold WB as their net spend was too high.

Swindon Sonics still going as an U18 club apparently.
Website still showing the roster from early 2000's & notable  for the distinct lack of 7ft giants on the team.

My favourite basketball name is still Meadowlark Lemon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 24, 2024, 15:08:30
Is face off a literal term when it comes to ice hockey?

It is, although I couldn't remember it until it was said.

Tip off in basketball.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 25, 2024, 08:27:30
Someone on Twitter has stated we have no full time medical staff. Down to someone coming in twice a week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, March 25, 2024, 08:53:29
Someone on Twitter has stated we have no full time medical staff. Down to someone coming in twice a week.

Surely all this cost cutting is done prior to a sale? Surely a sale must be in the offing?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Monday, March 25, 2024, 09:54:52
Either that or the owner is running out of cash and cutting where possible to avoid a points deduction.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Monday, March 25, 2024, 10:10:32
Surely all this cost cutting is done prior to a sale? Surely a sale must be in the offing?

In that case, he's been prepping for pretty much his entire tenure as owner, we've been bare bones since then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Monday, March 25, 2024, 10:21:44
Either that or the owner is running out of cash and cutting where possible to avoid a points deduction.

Running out? Judging by the place he ran out of money ages ago.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 25, 2024, 10:24:19
At least our players haven’t been jet setting around the world on international duty so should be refreshed and ready for the relegation challenge ahead :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 25, 2024, 10:26:12
At least our players haven’t been jet setting around the world on international duty so should be refreshed and ready for the relegation challenge ahead :D
They were given Saturday and Sunday off so should be refreshed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, March 25, 2024, 10:55:53
I see there is some guy on Twitter and Facebook called Steve Hall in Australia claiming he will relay some questions to Morfuni. But basically the questions can’t be anything other than what a great guy Morfuni is  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Hilarious that some people still see him as some god like character.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 25, 2024, 10:57:40
They were given Saturday and Sunday off so should be refreshed.

There's an obvious joke there


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 25, 2024, 11:23:27
I see there is some guy on Twitter and Facebook called Steve Hall in Australia claiming he will relay some questions to Morfuni. But basically the questions can’t be anything other than what a great guy Morfuni is  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Hilarious that some people still see him as some god like character.

Ive just read the thread.

Any question he doesnt like he just shoots the poster down


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 25, 2024, 11:27:01

Ive just read the thread.

Any question he doesnt like he just shoots the poster down


Perhaps he's a relative of the much loved CEO Anthony...

Have you called him a cunt yet?  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 25, 2024, 11:52:40
Ive just read the thread.

Any question he doesnt like he just shoots the poster down
‘Clem’s up a 5am every day’. Dread to ask how he knows this.

Is this Hall related to our Hall?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 25, 2024, 12:27:14
Surely all this cost cutting is done prior to a sale? Surely a sale must be in the offing?

Prepping for non league. We'll be signing part time players soon.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 25, 2024, 12:32:45
‘Clem’s up a 5am every day’. Dread to ask how he knows this.

Is this Hall related to our Hall?

The guy who started the thread lives in Oz and organises the aussie match watching in the pub that the owner attends i think


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 25, 2024, 12:39:15
When are you selling?

How much does Adam Hart charge for a kilo?

Why can we not rid ourselves of Britains most wanted?

Are you ashamed to oversee our lowest finish in history?

Why do we spend millions on 'admin fees' when we consistently make so many 'admin errors'?




See if i get blocked.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 25, 2024, 13:03:27
The club haven't tweeted about season tickets since March 12th (and only twice full stop since they were launched) or about the May concerts since Feb 11th. If they *were* trying to get cash in the door fast, they're not exactly trying very hard. They've tweeted about other stuff (mostly the women's team) but nothing commercial outside of ads for Carabao or Jameson.

Would be very interested in how ticket sales for the concerts are going.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 25, 2024, 13:07:23
It's all most odd Nemo. Another contradiction in the face of other stuff seemingly being done on the (very) cheap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 25, 2024, 13:08:34
It just all strikes me more as disinterest than desperation, to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 25, 2024, 13:19:34
Or the marketing guys have gone part time along with the medical staff.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 25, 2024, 13:54:56
Or the marketing guys have gone part time along with the medical staff.

And the players


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 25, 2024, 13:58:06
The club haven't tweeted about season tickets since March 12th (and only twice full stop since they were launched) or about the May concerts since Feb 11th. If they *were* trying to get cash in the door fast, they're not exactly trying very hard. They've tweeted about other stuff (mostly the women's team) but nothing commercial outside of ads for Carabao or Jameson.

Would be very interested in how ticket sales for the concerts are going.
How can they push STs when nobody knows for sure whether we’re staying up or going down.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 25, 2024, 14:03:44
And the players

If they could remind some of them to turn up at 3pm on a Saturday we might be alright.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, March 25, 2024, 14:05:42
How can they push STs when nobody knows for sure whether we’re staying up or going down.

The real worry is just the general apathy of the club, not just the fans. They can't even be bothered to tell us the "lie" that they have learned, next season will be different, etc etc, back the club now. Just nothing!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 25, 2024, 14:11:41
And the players

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 25, 2024, 14:32:07
I see Flitcroft is no longer at Vale, a role here perhaps?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, March 25, 2024, 14:33:52
Progress on the stadium going well.

That new SB roof looks fantastic.

Seats in the hospitality boxes arw comfy too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 25, 2024, 14:42:52
Progress on the stadium going well.

That new SB roof looks fantastic.

Seats in the hospitality boxes arw comfy too.

To be absolutely fair, this was based on completing the purchase in March '22, a full year earlier than it did.

Still nowhere near only a year behind on that plan though!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, March 25, 2024, 17:00:24
The real worry is just the general apathy of the club, not just the fans. They can't even be bothered to tell us the "lie" that they have learned, next season will be different, etc etc, back the club now. Just nothing!

Just had the misfortune of watching the Orient season ticket launch video.
Ffs we are just not even in the race.
Wish this lot would just fuck off for good, the longer this goes on the more depressed it gets.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 25, 2024, 17:00:46
Sam Morshead has an interview with Nick Watkins in the Ink today. It's paywalled and a small startup so I won't cross post it but it's worth paying for, but I will reproduce this quote which is rings true...

Quote
I’m a great believer in the quality of output directly reflecting the quality of the environment in which you operate. If you have a clean, sharp, tidy environment then your product will be a reflection of that. If you operate in an untidy, unstructured environment, the product will represent that.

Quite.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, March 25, 2024, 17:10:49
The poster Cowley was pretty spot on with everything he posted before the start of the season from what I can remember.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, March 25, 2024, 17:12:41
He'd be more suited to the told ya so under my name in fairness, at this point.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, March 25, 2024, 20:49:05
Rochdale have new owners… they are out there


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, March 25, 2024, 20:55:26
Rochdale have new owners… they are out there
Billionaire as well


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 25, 2024, 21:38:26
Billionaire as well

Soon be skint then. If Rochdale don’t break his wallet Labour Will. Soak the rich millionaire scum buckets. So poor fucker is on a hiding to nothing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Monday, March 25, 2024, 23:51:21
The poster Cowley was pretty spot on with everything he posted before the start of the season from what I can remember.

He was certainly spot on in January when he said no players would considering signing for us…

wait…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 08:09:26
The poster Cowley was pretty spot on with everything he posted before the start of the season from what I can remember.

Roll back even further, the policy was loan players and low cost kids.
Apart from Charlie Austin that policy has well and truly kicked in.

More concerning is our net of recruiting loans from quality teams has declined considerably.
As soon as the likes of Reed, Conroy, Payne and Baudry were leaving it has unfolded exactly as I was informed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 08:24:18
Roll back even further, the policy was loan players and low cost kids.
Apart from Charlie Austin that policy has well and truly kicked in.

More concerning is our net of recruiting loans from quality teams has declined considerably.
As soon as the likes of Reed, Conroy, Payne and Baudry were leaving it has unfolded exactly as I was informed.

Are you renewing, Duke?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Moss on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 09:35:59
Soon be skint then. If Rochdale don’t break his wallet Labour Will. Soak the rich millionaire scum buckets. So poor fucker is on a hiding to nothing.

Have you got someone who looks after you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 11:23:51
Some good news… well done to all involved https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/efl-reveals-2024-community-award-winners-at-house-of-commons-ceremony/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 11:39:05
Was going to ask what on earth the rest of the league were up to for us to win that, then realised it was the Community Foundation.  From a far, they do appear to do some good work, not least, managing to build up a decent set of infrastructure - compare that to our club that still hasn't put up some shooting nets at the training ground, as far as we know.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 11:54:57
I do love the way the club states that "we" have been voted best community club of the year, when the reality is that the community foundation is a completely seperate entity.  Best community foundation, worst for fan engagement..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 12:19:17
"completely seperate entity" might need to be qualified?
In terms of funding & day to day running?

FITC appear to carry the club name & logo on their website.
Are in the who's who section on the club website & have a dedicated space in the matchday programme.

Not trying to be pedantic but I might not be alone in benefitting from some clarity here.
Thanks.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 12:21:55
At least we're claiming separate entity because the 'separate entity' is doing something good.

Unlike Celtic......


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 12:38:04
Are you renewing, Duke?

Really torn.
On one hand I detest these owners and how they have destroyed the Club but I support STFC and enjoy following the Club.

Like being on a firing squad and having a choice of being shot by a bow and arrow or a crossbow.

What is surprising is that a large amount of our fanbase remain Clem positive.
No Protests arranged, might go all black last game of the season.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 12:46:31
"completely seperate entity" might need to be qualified?
In terms of funding & day to day running?

FITC appear to carry the club name & logo on their website.
Are in the who's who section on the club website & have a dedicated space in the matchday programme.

Not trying to be pedantic but I might not be alone in benefitting from some clarity here.
Thanks.

Its a seperate entity on companies house and no-one from the club is listed as a director if that helps


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 12:55:18

What is surprising is that a large amount of our fanbase remain Clem positive.
No Protests arranged, might go all black last game of the season.

I don't agree with this statement. Most fans care only about on the field performance and that informs their opinion on everyone involved. I suspect given how shit this season is, most of our fans are negative towards Clem.

The problem comes with there being a viable alternative that the fans have any knowledge of.

As per the latest LSPOD the problem with a protest is what are we protesting really? That we are shit?



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 13:01:23
I know some people find it tough not going, but also say they are hating it right now. Maybe sacrifice not going shorter term and we can get to the stage where we can all go and not hate it again?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 13:07:17
Its a seperate entity on companies house and no-one from the club is listed as a director if that helps

Yes, thanks.
So they've reaped the benefits from just doing what they do. Just as well.

Messrs Holloway & Hewlett are true stalwarts & also Clive Maguire.

 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 13:34:50
What is surprising is that a large amount of our fanbase remain Clem positive.
No Protests arranged, might go all black last game of the season.

I think that ship has sailed. From everyone that i've interacted with in the ground and in the wider fanbase, there's very little Clem positivity.  


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 13:44:44
I think that ship has sailed. From everyone that i've interacted with in the ground and in the wider fanbase, there's very little Clem positivity. 

Fans forum seemed to be an eye opener for a lot of people.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 14:15:01
"completely seperate entity" might need to be qualified?
In terms of funding & day to day running?

FITC appear to carry the club name & logo on their website.
Are in the who's who section on the club website & have a dedicated space in the matchday programme.

Not trying to be pedantic but I might not be alone in benefitting from some clarity here.
Thanks.

Yeah, as has been said, they work under the badge and title of STFC but are effectively a charity and are funded by sponsorship and grants from the likes of the Premier League and the lottery.  Obviously they work closely with the club but the good work they do is pretty much entirely down to the community team rather than the club itself.  For example, the club don't own the 4G pitches, the club have to try to book ahead of time like anyone else, albeit they are given some priority when the need arises such as waterlogged or frozen training pitches.

If the club had anything close to the organisation, hard work and planning of the community trust, we would be in much better shape as a club - but we all know that is a very low bar at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 14:27:51

If the club had anything close to the organisation, hard work and planning of the community trust, we would be in much better shape as a club - but we all know that is a very low bar at the moment.

Yeah, herein lies some of crux of the matter.
The bar is so low that it would be beyond a world champion limbo dancer at the moment.

It's very sad & some soul searching to do over the summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: UTR on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 14:33:35
Been pretty (enjoyably) detached from STFC the past week, does anyone know if these vague Twitter rumours of admin are a joke or serious?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 14:36:44
Been pretty (enjoyably) detached from STFC the past week, does anyone know if these vague Twitter rumours of admin are a joke or serious?
I can't imagine they're true purely because near enough all of the debt is owed to Morfuni himself. Only way I could see it being true is if it wasn't his money in the first place and that's reflected in the loan agreements.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 14:56:39
I can't imagine they're true purely because near enough all of the debt is owed to Morfuni himself. Only way I could see it being true is if it wasn't his money in the first place and that's reflected in the loan agreements.

Learned from the best if that is the case (Power)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 14:58:42
I can't imagine they're true purely because near enough all of the debt is owed to Morfuni himself. Only way I could see it being true is if it wasn't his money in the first place and that's reflected in the loan agreements.

It's not impossible for some sort of financial straight jacket to occur - the biggest red flag for me in the Accounts was the growing size of the Current Liabilities, the amounts not on long term payment agreements.  Power's sets of accounts were far less detailed (it's possible), but the figure in 2019 was 1.97m for Creditors <12 months.  Net Current Liabilities was -1.52m.  In the last set of accounts, already a year behind reality, those numbers had grown (which is bad) to 3.48m and -2.92m.

The reason I call those out is they are fairly liquid - that is, unless agreements are reached, those are bills that need paying.  The Net position is bills needing paying less any money people owe us.  We are adding to the short term debt situation.  So while Clem has converted long term debt, it looks like we are falling behind with the day to day trading position.

I caveat that with the fact it's very high level data, so impossible to really know.  It's not a good position to be in when you turnover so little in relation to the amounts owed, but we can't determine to whom that money is owed.  Admin could be used as a way to protect the Fixed Assets, to avoid liquidation and losing them (I think).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 15:07:19

As per the latest LSPOD the problem with a protest is what are we protesting really? That we are shit?

Consistent lies. Admin errors. EFL fines. Ground development slow/not happening. Underfunding in the squad. Numbers not adding up. Anything else?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 15:25:21
It's not impossible for some sort of financial straight jacket to occur - the biggest red flag for me in the Accounts was the growing size of the Current Liabilities, the amounts not on long term payment agreements.  Power's sets of accounts were far less detailed (it's possible), but the figure in 2019 was 1.97m for Creditors <12 months.  Net Current Liabilities was -1.52m.  In the last set of accounts, already a year behind reality, those numbers had grown (which is bad) to 3.48m and -2.92m.

The reason I call those out is they are fairly liquid - that is, unless agreements are reached, those are bills that need paying.  The Net position is bills needing paying less any money people owe us.  We are adding to the short term debt situation.  So while Clem has converted long term debt, it looks like we are falling behind with the day to day trading position.

I caveat that with the fact it's very high level data, so impossible to really know.  It's not a good position to be in when you turnover so little in relation to the amounts owed, but we can't determine to whom that money is owed.  Admin could be used as a way to protect the Fixed Assets, to avoid liquidation and losing them (I think).

Which again goes back to the question of how much we turnover.....how the fuck are we in this position? Where is the money going? Medican staff going part time, people struggle to get someone to pick up the phone. There is no staff, poor playing budget. Stadium unkept. Rumours of JV not being paid or at least on time.

Stinks of one giant money laundering scheme.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:02:44
As per the latest LSPOD the problem with a protest is what are we protesting really? That we are shit?

For Clem to ship up or sell up.
For the unacceptability of it all.
To make ourselves feel better.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:13:18
For Clem to ship up or sell up.
For the unacceptability of it all.
To make ourselves feel better.




Clem would need to be here for it to be effective right?

Despite him saying he was away too long when he was back in Jan, he hasn't been back since. Will he show his face before the end of the season?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:22:16
At this point Clem should be thankful if someone comes along with an offer to buy us for a quid with a payment plan to get his money back.

I get the sense he is delusional though. I get the sense he actually thinks they're doing a decent job.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:23:29
I get the sense he doesn’t give a fuck :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:33:59
Consistent lies. Admin errors. EFL fines. Ground development slow/not happening. Underfunding in the squad. Numbers not adding up. Anything else?

None of these topics are new. The podcast has been publicly down on the Morfuni era for years and most of what you mention was pretty clear back then whilst other points are a consequence of what was clear from very early on.

I agree with all your points but if we are talking about getting a protest arranged in meaningful numbers:

Consistent Lies: Still deemed as subjective by many

Admin Errors: Not enough.

EFL Fines: One directed at the club and one directed at Morfuni. Both on the lower scale of punishments. Both damning but we've seen that people aren't that bothered.

Ground Development: Not something people march for

Underfunding: Again, largely subjective. Proof was how simply signing McKirdy silenced a lot of people.

Numbers not adding up: Need more info before it's a protest

The only way their incompetency results in fan unity on this front is a points deduction or confirmed criminality. This opinion is based on what we've seen within the fanbase over the last year or so.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:36:25
STFCinOz on twitter suggests we will hear from the Messiah this week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 16:37:32
Free Easter Eggs all round


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 17:21:02
STFCinOz on twitter suggests we will hear from the Messiah this week.
He’s not the Messiah, he’s a bellend giganticus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 17:21:57
STFCinOz on twitter suggests we will hear from the Messiah this week.
What’s the point?! He vetted out all the more pointed questions so it’ll just be more lies and contradictions delivered with fake passion in a pally way.

Any danger of some proper thought out and delivered communications to make us look like a professional outfit, yeah we still probably wouldn’t believe it but is the clubs new propaganda strategy really to filter through people on the other side of the world?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 17:25:39
Clem's credibility for telling the whole truth is shot. Its a futile exercise. What he says and does don't often meet anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 17:26:11
STFCinOz on twitter suggests we will hear from the Messiah this week.

Haha cant wait to see this all spun in the owners favour


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 18:17:20
I see they have got Razor Ruddock promoting the music festival

Yes, the same one that tried to sue us


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 18:20:34
We have a lot in common after sharing the same TV program “can’t pay we’re take it away :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 18:22:44
I see they have got Razor Ruddock promoting the music festival

Yes, the same one that tried to sue us

Well, I did ask for promotion I suppose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 18:46:43
There’s literally no one at the club beyond the long term loyal staff that have a single brain cell is there?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 19:20:23
Has it been deleted already or is my computer on the blink?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 19:25:54
Has it been deleted already or is my computer on the blink?

Deleted post


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 19:40:12
Deleted post
Wow. Another astonishing PR own goal. The levels of incompetence at the club is astonishing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 26, 2024, 20:32:52
Have you got someone who looks after you?

No. Have you?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: doversparkred on Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 09:12:28
Its a seperate entity on companies house and no-one from the club is listed as a director if that helps


Yes - the Foundation is a registered charity with its own governance and trustees, and run as an entirely separate business.

It probably has a SLA with the football club to carry the badge, renewed every few years, and it's possible someone from the club sits on the Foundation as a trustee, but the plaudits def have to go to the management of the Foundation for this!  It's a bit rich the club claiming this as 'their' award.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 09:24:02
  It's a bit rich the club claiming this as 'their' award.

It’s no surprise based on how Clem claims credit for gifting half of the stadium to the fans, albeit it was Nigel Eady’s money that gifted half of the stadium to the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 10:06:25
It’s no surprise based on how Clem claims credit for gifting half of the stadium to the fans, albeit it was Nigel Eady’s money that gifted half of the stadium to the club
:nod:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 15:03:38
​Gavin Gunning on injuries:

Reece Devine is back out now, a frustrating one. He will be out for another few weeks now, he was looking very good in training   :bye:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 15:16:31
It’s no surprise based on how Clem claims credit for gifting half of the stadium to the fans, albeit it was Nigel Eady’s money that gifted half of the stadium to the club

Given Eady was a fan, the Trust really should ensure their messaging makes this clear whenever discussing the JV - the FANS gave the football club half ownership.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 27, 2024, 16:28:07
Reece Devine is back out now, a frustrating one. He will be out for another few weeks now, he was looking very good in training   :bye:

Poor guy.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 10:42:41
Pinched from twitter



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 11:39:44

Pinched from twitter




Not guilty  :D

Happy Easter everyone by the way, to any who observe or celebrate it  :pint:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 12:03:38
Pinched from twitter



Sim card eating competitions got me chuckling hahaha.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 12:15:11

Sim card eating competitions got me chuckling hahaha.


Could we not have ''Come and admire the World's Smallest Lottery Machine'' as an attraction?  :hmmm:  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 13:48:15
Pinched from twitter



Needs posting on all those lemming STFC FB pages.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 22:50:11
I see Exeter turned over a profit again last year- fan owned and no admin expenses like ours!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Sunday, March 31, 2024, 23:08:50
I see Exeter turned over a profit again last year- fan owned and no admin expenses like ours!

No admin expenses like ours? They had £2.3m?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 1, 2024, 08:16:12
I see Pox lost 6m 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 1, 2024, 09:28:10
I see Pox lost 6m 

Yes, yes, but what about the admin charges FFS!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 16:02:58
Someone tell me a rumour of a buy out ffs. Fucking depressed.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 1, 2024, 16:21:32

Someone tell me a rumour of a buy out ffs. Fucking depressed.
 

Mohammed Ben Sulayem and Bernie Ecclestone are looking to buy a club to continue their questionable processes under the radar

I hear the Kinahan Cartel is looking to run a football club

And in other news Jed/Ged is available  :suicide:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 16:33:32
I hear the Kinahan Cartel is looking to run a football club

Already here, aren't they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 1, 2024, 16:38:18

Already here, aren't they?


Allegedly, but non shock of the day - I was being a dick. Being sarcastic and condescending about the club ownership is my only way of dealing with this train wreck

*sighs with avolition*


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 16:39:22
I mean not really allegedly. Adam Hart worked for Kinnahan. That is on record.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 1, 2024, 16:46:49

I mean not really allegedly. Adam Hart worked for Kinnahan. That is on record.


That's a concerning link to the club of course but it doesn't confirm that they are definitely involved with or controlling STFC - there's the difference.

Also I'm not about to claim it directly as I would rather not wake up with a bunch of Potato Cakes next to my head  :eek:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 17:43:47
Pity Adam Hart doesn't have his sim eating day of reckoning part II.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 17:45:19
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 17:45:49
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 17:46:16
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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 1, 2024, 18:36:31
Quote
28 points from 32 games since October 1.
13 from 13 under the interim manager.
Bottom of the form table.
Piss on the floor, mold on the windows.

There are alternatives, on and off the field.
#stfc

Interesting tweet from Sam Morshead.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 1, 2024, 20:28:01
Interesting tweet from Sam Morshead.
I think now is the time this sort of thing needs to become public. I get an interested party might not want to jeopardise a deal but we need a cause to unite behind and for there to be a glimmer of hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Monday, April 1, 2024, 20:33:09
Today does seem to be a turning point for quite a few who were on the fence.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 1, 2024, 21:00:33
I think now is the time this sort of thing needs to become public. I get an interested party might not want to jeopardise a deal but we need a cause to unite behind and for there to be a glimmer of hope.

I certainly need the hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:19:02
Thankfully was busy over the Easter weekend so didn't see either game. (3 points obviously always welcome) I mean it's pretty obvious there are many things wrong at the club from on the pitch up to the boardroom. I did see a couple of interesting tweets from Sam Morshead and Andrew Hawes basically stating 'it doesn't have to be this way' which I think suggests there may be alternative options to being run the way we are. Whether Sam is talking about interested parties, I don't know. But I think given where we are currently, things have to change or next season could be very squeaky bum time.

There was also a guy called AshSTFC that opened some Twitter chat thing last night that I noticed Andrew Hawes was on. I haven't had the time to look today and I've no idea what was discussed but I think he's pretty anti-Clem so may (or may not) have had some news. Do I sense tide turning, perhaps a little bit?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:35:53
Thankfully was busy over the Easter weekend so didn't see either game. (3 points obviously always welcome) I mean it's pretty obvious there are many things wrong at the club from on the pitch up to the boardroom. I did see a couple of interesting tweets from Sam Morshead and Andrew Hawes basically stating 'it doesn't have to be this way' which I think suggests there may be alternative options to being run the way we are. Whether Sam is talking about interested parties, I don't know. But I think given where we are currently, things have to change or next season could be very squeaky bum time.

There was also a guy called AshSTFC that opened some Twitter chat thing last night that I noticed Andrew Hawes was on. I haven't had the time to look today and I've no idea what was discussed but I think he's pretty anti-Clem so may (or may not) have had some news. Do I sense tide turning, perhaps a little bit?

Morshead indicated there is at least one interested party. Hawes said he's not personally aware of any. Haven't had chance to watch Ash's Twitter space yet.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:49:33
There was also a guy called AshSTFC that opened some Twitter chat thing last night that I noticed Andrew Hawes was on. I haven't had the time to look today and I've no idea what was discussed but I think he's pretty anti-Clem so may (or may not) have had some news. Do I sense tide turning, perhaps a little bit?

I heard some of it, I didn't hear any sign of legitimate hope.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:58:04
Morshead indicated there is at least one interested party. Hawes said he's not personally aware of any. Haven't had chance to watch Ash's Twitter space yet.

We need to be careful not to misread Morsheads tweet in our desperation for hope.

He posted this

28 points from 32 games since October 1.
13 from 13 under the interim manager.
Bottom of the form table.
Piss on the floor, mold on the windows.

There are alternatives, on and off the field.
#stfc

But the alternatives off the field may not be a takeover, he may just be indicating that the club can be run better, off the back of his chat with Watkins recently.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 10:12:52
Thankfully was busy over the Easter weekend so didn't see either game. (3 points obviously always welcome) I mean it's pretty obvious there are many things wrong at the club from on the pitch up to the boardroom. I did see a couple of interesting tweets from Sam Morshead and Andrew Hawes basically stating 'it doesn't have to be this way' which I think suggests there may be alternative options to being run the way we are. Whether Sam is talking about interested parties, I don't know. But I think given where we are currently, things have to change or next season could be very squeaky bum time.

There was also a guy called AshSTFC that opened some Twitter chat thing last night that I noticed Andrew Hawes was on. I haven't had the time to look today and I've no idea what was discussed but I think he's pretty anti-Clem so may (or may not) have had some news. Do I sense tide turning, perhaps a little bit?
Listened to the space this morning and there was nothing groundbreaking sadly. The listener numbers were quite high (>600).

I was in the cinema for the duration of the game and post-match. Catching up with social media later on, it was definitely the most 'tide has turned' I'd seen, even Clem's mate in Oz was peeved.

Praying and praying that Morsheads off the pitch alternative tweet was indication of parties waiting in the wings because this is beyond excruciating now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 10:14:57
We need to be careful not to misread Morsheads tweet in our desperation for hope.

He posted this

28 points from 32 games since October 1.
13 from 13 under the interim manager.
Bottom of the form table.
Piss on the floor, mold on the windows.

There are alternatives, on and off the field.
#stfc

But the alternatives off the field may not be a takeover, he may just be indicating that the club can be run better, off the back of his chat with Watkins recently.

Yep, this is absolutely worth mentioning for keeping feet on the ground. See also Dan Kemp's 'pointing at the ground' celebration which seemed to get a few people excitable for a bit. I just thought it worth mentioning, even if it's probably nothing at all of any significance.

Also, isn't it spelled mould?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 10:17:08
Listened to the space this morning and there was nothing groundbreaking sadly. The listener numbers were quite high (>600).

I was in the cinema for the duration of the game and post-match. Catching up with social media later on, it was definitely the most 'tide has turned' I'd seen, even Clem's mate in Oz was peeved.

Praying and praying that Morsheads off the pitch alternative tweet was indication of parties waiting in the wings because this is beyond excruciating now.

Didn't that fella also say we'd be hearing from Clem at some stage last week?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 10:22:38
Didn't that fella also say we'd be hearing from Clem at some stage last week?
Aye he did.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 10:52:27
His lord and saviour has ghosted him. Probably quiet over easter, just like Jesus.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 11:11:38
Look there are so many things wrong at the club at the moment, but for me at the moment its the apathy from the club that's really startling.

Zero attempt to promote season tickets, almost like they are embarrassed to ask (maybe this is too generous), or that they already know they will likely only get the 3-3.5k next season.

The idea of giving Gav the interim position, and for it to have gone so badly, but that they have done nothing is quite mind boggling. Speak to any of the players and they will tell you just how shit he is as a coach. Amusing that with the recruitment of an assistant, Gav is in charge of the defence, the very defence he lambasted post Sutton.

The club can't even issue the 'we have made mistakes, we are going to do things differently, please continue to support us' line. Sure next to nobody is going to believe it after being lied to before, but the club has to at least do something. But nope NOTHING.

Like everyone else i'm very concerned about next season, it feels like relegation is inevitable and the club needs to do something right now to start trying to convince people of otherwise.


Title: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 11:18:48
genuine question Riddick, what can they do?


imo:
Even a change of manager needs to be backed up with a change in recruitment strategy, a change in communications, a change in everything.

recruitment can't change until July.

It's almost beyond repair. only a good season will buy some relief. but too late for STs

Maybe all that's left is damage limitation.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 11:23:31
genuine question Riddick, what can they do?


imo:
Even a change of manager needs to be backed up with a change in recruitment strategy, a change in communications, a change in everything.

recruitment can't change until July.

It's almost beyond repair. only a good season will buy some relief. but too late for STs

A competent manager will be enough to keep us in Div 4, Gav is not that.
That isn’t a very exciting prospect, but the alternative is not even worth considering.

To get us challenging will need someone better, and proper investment in the squad, which are extremely unlikely to happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 11:51:14
A competent manager will be enough to keep us in Div 4, Gav is not that.
That isn’t a very exciting prospect, but the alternative is not even worth considering.

To get us challenging will need someone better, and proper investment in the squad, which are extremely unlikely to happen.

It is surprising it is all radio silent from chairman, CEO & DoF almost leaving Gunning to take all the flak which he clearly is (and deservedly so) but not everything is down to him, you do wonder if the plan is to leave him in place next season saying the recruitment needs to be better etc etc - you cant see how he can stay at the club if he is not given the job

Are we waiting for another Clem promise at the and of the season like after last season ?

There is no promotion of ST's, all they seem to be doing is trying to promote these concerts - even getting Clem's wagon back out to drive round the streets, maybe they have realized that some will renew some wont regardless - but still odd.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 11:54:50
genuine question Riddick, what can they do?


imo:
Even a change of manager needs to be backed up with a change in recruitment strategy, a change in communications, a change in everything.

recruitment can't change until July.

It's almost beyond repair. only a good season will buy some relief. but too late for STs

Maybe all that's left is damage limitation.

Its hard, given where they have gotten themselves. Ultimately only actions will now effect fans, but they can outline a plan at least and then follow through and act on it.

Whats going to get the fans onside:

1. Remove Gunning from the club
2. Appoint a Manager that's a real leader for the club. Outside of being a good football coach, they need to be a good communicator and passionate to rally the fans. Its so important given Russell never talks, and Clem/Hall should never talk.
3. Allow new manager to judge the existing players and make decisions early. (Bin most of them, i think there are maybe six worthy of a place in a squad Bycroft/FBT/UGM/McGurk/Glatzel/Drinnan)
4. Make an early signing or two that ticks boxes, right age, physicality, spine of the team. Yeah they cant properly sign until July but they can get things done early if they want, see the nature of the Glatzel/McGurk deal. Its worth the extra cost to signal intent to the fans.
5. Promote a real open preseason schedule. Multiple open training sessions for fans during the school holidays (come and see the new players, or the new coach etc etc). Give Season Tickets holders free entry to home preseason matches, and for those that are not ST holders, make it cheap (£5) and allow them to use their tickets as a discount against a ST if they buy one in the future. Not exactly stunning ideas i know, but it needs to be an open, look we have changed approach to convince people. And of course they need to have changed otherwise it doesn't work.

Obviously there are tonnes of things that need to be done, as you say, but just a few quick ideas.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 11:59:47
@posh @ riddick

Yeah that all fair enough. Can't argue with any of it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 12:05:50
I’ve posted this before and I’m sure it must have some relevance.

Pointless promoting STs until we’re sure which league we’re in next season. Even this mob aren’t stupid enough to think fans will cough up £400 now and then find out we’re in the NL next season.

On the optimistic side - maybe our new saviours have said NO to the club selling STs until they take over.

I’ll go for my first option.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 12:14:41
I’ve posted this before and I’m sure it must have some relevance.

Pointless promoting STs until we’re sure which league we’re in next season. Even this mob aren’t stupid enough to think fans will cough up £400 now and then find out we’re in the NL next season.

On the optimistic side - maybe our new saviours have said NO to the club selling STs until they take over.

I’ll go for my first option.
Its definately not the optimistic option.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 12:15:08
Its not pointless. Prices have been released and there is no condition on league. If you think they would drop prices in the unlikely event we are relegated then you are mad.

So the prices are out, the 'discount' window has been advertised and they should be promoting them now, backed up by communicating and acting on a strategy to improve things.

Think of it this way, outside of the few number of fans who engage on this forum, or read STFC media, the club has 2 home games left, where they will likely have 7k homes fans (based on Notts County game) to sell/convince people that something is going to change and to support the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 13:01:27
When is the Fair Game analysis of the accounts out?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 13:07:36
When is the Fair Game analysis of the accounts out?

Surprised it wasn't yesterday...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 13:37:21
Surprised it wasn't yesterday...
I see what you did there ;)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 15:55:26
I am not entirely sure why people expect some sort of full court press from the club, there is literally nobody left with the right level of competence and expertise in leadership.  The guy running our Commercial dept is inexperienced (relatively speaking), the Manager of the football team is inexperienced, the CEO has about zero experience in anything meaningful, the players are all a mish mash of youth and injury prone youngsters who missed prime development years, or were about to be bombed by their Academy.

Nothing about that suggests anyone is left in the building to actually lead the business or football operations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 17:24:11
I think we expected it because they said we will get it. I’m not saying I believe it but sooner or later the gullible in me sneaks out and I expect it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 17:43:50
I am not entirely sure why people expect some sort of full court press from the club, there is literally nobody left with the right level of competence and expertise in leadership.  The guy running our Commercial dept is inexperienced (relatively speaking), the Manager of the football team is inexperienced, the CEO has about zero experience in anything meaningful, the players are all a mish mash of youth and injury prone youngsters who missed prime development years, or were about to be bombed by their Academy.

Nothing about that suggests anyone is left in the building to actually lead the business or football operations.

Basically speaking believe nothing of what you hear and maybe 50% of what you think you see?

Personally I cannot imagine much coming out with this external audit. Surely it depends on what the club give them verses what they want you to see after they’ve been given the report back?

Seriously I doubt they’re going to submit to public scrutiny anything that makes them look incompetent, delinquent, shambolic or anything else you could insert that’s derogatory but truthful. I’m also scratching my head as to why the clubs accountants couldn’t help them do this. They do have accountants don’t they?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 17:59:41
I see we are hosting the final of the mens Wilstshire Premier Shield.

Some gall that, considering we couldnt even be fucked to play in the competition.

I bet the club begged the WFA to host it so they can get a few quid


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 18:06:43
I see we are hosting the final of the mens Wilstshire Premier Shield.

Some gall that, considering we couldnt even be fucked to play in the competition.

I bet the club begged the WFA to host it so they can get a few quid

With the youths on an FA Cup run and very little back up squad for a good six months, there wasn't really anyway we could stretch them to another competition.

What a farce.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 18:34:34
Basically speaking believe nothing of what you hear and maybe 50% of what you think you see?

Personally I cannot imagine much coming out with this external audit. Surely it depends on what the club give them verses what they want you to see after they’ve been given the report back?

Seriously I doubt they’re going to submit to public scrutiny anything that makes them look incompetent, delinquent, shambolic or anything else you could insert that’s derogatory but truthful. I’m also scratching my head as to why the clubs accountants couldn’t help them do this. They do have accountants don’t they?

That is the point - there is nobody left.  nobody of consequence, in terms of actual experience, knowledge and gravitas that is.

Take Watts - I am not knocking the man, I don't know him personally.  Nothing about his record suggests he'd be a CCO of a League One football club (which should be our aspiration, at a minimum).  A few years doing sponsorship and running events for small clubs and still boasting about the fact he is an MC.  The sort of chap you'd have reporting into a CCO maybe, but not a CCO.

Take Hall - I give him less benefit of the doubt because his interviews have been horrific, and if you take a CEO position, expect some expectations.  His experience is basically being a yes man to Clem in a business that failed, and another one that failed, with a background that most decent sized construction firms would look at any maybe give him a Managers gig, not running the fucking company.  I'm not being funny, I'd wager I'm better qualified for a CEO role.  On top of that, it's a CEO in an industry he had zero experience in.

Take Russell - the most experienced of anyone in role as it happens.  You'd probably let him run an Academy, he seems to know the game and kids.  Again, though, a Director of Football Operations, overseeing recruitment at all levels?

From the outside, I don't see any evidence of any competence - we simply look poorly run, even to those not looking for fault, surely?  What we do get is a complete spaghetti at the wall approach to running a football club.  In the world of football you can get lucky - we seem to rely on that, like the crop of youths.  None of that is well planned - it's not built to be sustainable.  We haven't invested in the infrastructure, the support operations or the staff required to maintain that

The Chris Moyles thing looks to me like a James Watts brainstorming session - guys, we need an idea, anyone got one?  It's not part of a great Commercial Plan, it's scattergun.

The Stadium proposals - oh, yeah, there are none, still.  Not even a hint at some grand plan - by now you'd expect some blue sky ideas to be out there, with silly artists impressions, that gradually get refined into something more affordable and realistic.  We don't even have that - possibly because the company that was going to lead on that is crumbling around it's owner, our owner.  We are basically the scenes in Inception where their dreams begin to disintegrate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 19:09:23
Watts is better qualified than Hall to be CEO. Says something that. To be fair I like Watts - he replies to emails and fronts up. Hall on the other hand is a sack of shit.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 19:45:02
I see one of the Trust board members has messaged someone on Twitter about a takeover opportunity and saying the club is badly run….


https://twitter.com/nickcoote/status/1775087414853185903


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 19:46:20
Brighton having just made record profits are 'working on becoming sustainable' having paid back some of their owner loans so they 'only' owe him 370m instead of 400m!

Just to give more of a sense of why sustainable talk amuses me so much.

Brighton make record £123m profit after fine season - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68691248


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 19:49:46
I see one of the Trust board members has messaged someone on Twitter about a takeover opportunity and saying the club is badly run….


https://twitter.com/nickcoote/status/1775087414853185903

So who is ChrisWchrysalis?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 20:34:25
Chris Wright - used to own QPR and Wasps


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 21:14:23
Are there any successful clubs that don’t run a huge deficit?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 21:53:26
Chris Wright - used to own QPR and Wasps

Any idea why he doesn’t now?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 22:20:06
Brighton having just made record profits are 'working on becoming sustainable' having paid back some of their owner loans so they 'only' owe him 370m instead of 400m!

Just to give more of a sense of why sustainable talk amuses me so much.

Brighton make record £123m profit after fine season - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68691248


This doesn't include the sales of Sanchez and caceido to Chelsea , another 140 million, plus their money from the Europa league. Oh to have a fan giving a club 400 million interest free


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 00:54:20
Any idea why he doesn’t now?

He could no longer afford to bank roll a loss making football club. Why the hell would he want to do it again? I assume Coote is just freelancing - nothing to do with the trust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 12:12:44
He could no longer afford to bank roll a loss making football club. Why the hell would he want to do it again? I assume Coote is just freelancing - nothing to do with the trust.

The upside potential for development of SN1 into a proper stadium and sports hub with out of season income streams is a real possibility. Sadly, the current owners official or otherwise are only likely to see is as a short term cash cow.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 13:00:17
He could no longer afford to bank roll a loss making football club. Why the hell would he want to do it again? I assume Coote is just freelancing - nothing to do with the trust.

Would we be making a loss on 9k attendance and our ticket prices once all the scroungers are gone? I don't think so because I can't honestly see what we're spending anything on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 13:23:37
Would we be making a loss on 9k attendance and our ticket prices once all the scroungers are gone? I don't think so because I can't honestly see what we're spending anything on.

I think it is always safe to assume that the football entity is unlikely to ever make a profit, in the long term.  However, there are ways to make money from football clubs - there are plenty of people doing it right now in our club and others down the years.

What you want is someone who can minimize the loss making at entity level, while finding a way to protect their investment (or make money) that delivers success on the football field at the same time.  In our case, it has to be around the ground development - which itself becomes more financially beneficial if a successful club is anchoring it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 16:35:01
And with that RobT, I fear Town are going to end up like Darlington. At some point the club end up with a redeveloped stadia that can hold circa 25k supporters but Clem doesn't pay any creditors even after a CVA is agreed.

Joy


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 19:07:11
https://x.com/bcks109/status/1775398114016248207?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 21:02:12
Fair game review findings released tomorrow


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 21:58:01
Fair game review findings released tomorrow
Let's hope it provides better clarity rather than caveat city.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 3, 2024, 22:18:26
Let's hope it provides better clarity rather than caveat city.

I'm not entirely sure we should expect much - it's not like they'd have given them copies of the ledgers and down to receipts with evidence of payments and receivables.  At best, we get a bit more of a breakdown of total wage bill, or maybe Revenue partitioned by business unit.

I still don't really understand the point (well, I do) - anyone with a decent financial brain could send out a good summary from the club directly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 07:12:24
Absolutely no chance we'll get anything useful from it. The club wouldn't allow it if it was going to uncover anything untoward.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 07:24:53
Twitter sleuth Jason Lane hosted a space last night. Have listened back and with the usual caveats: He states that an English Consortium led by previously mentioned by Whelan Luke Dowling has submitted an offer to purchase the club. This offer has been left unresponded to for 4 weeks. Bid for ~£10mn but Clem is holding out for £16mn.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 07:30:12
Here is the link

https://x.com/stfc_chatter/status/1775615887568929139?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 07:36:38
He’s saying players havent been paid on time 3 times


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 07:55:17
Fair game review findings released tomorrow

Is this done with the Trust as well, or is it totally separate? Has the chapter about the Trust being shown the books now been and gone?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 07:58:20
Twitter sleuth Jason Lane hosted a space last night. Have listened back and with the usual caveats: He states that an English Consortium led by previously mentioned by Whelan Luke Dowling has submitted an offer to purchase the club. This offer has been left unresponded to for 4 weeks. Bid for ~£10mn but Clem is holding out for £16mn.

I'm always cynical about this stuff and Jason Marple seems to enjoy his role as the financial ITK, but I highly doubt that any serious consortium looking to takeover a club would 'leak' this kind of information would they?

With that said, I do believe that the current owners will be absolutely terrible at trying to sell the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:00:07
Fans forum - OSC and Vic Morgan didnt know that the club were going to do the infamous powerpoint presentation and Phil King would be there until 4pm on the day


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:03:36
We'll see what comes out, but the EFL are usually pretty quick on punishing clubs for not paying players on time. I think the suggestion in the Autumn was that the players *were* paid on time, it was just the office staff that got delayed (which isn't okay, but the EFL seem to care less)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:06:36
47 mins someone did a sex noise on the space


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:07:10
Is this done with the Trust as well, or is it totally separate? Has the chapter about the Trust being shown the books now been and gone?
Morshead confirmed that Trust haven't been consulted on with regards to Fair Game.

The fact it's gone to the club for sign-off confirms it's not an impartial review either sadly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:09:49
I'm always cynical about this stuff and Jason Marple seems to enjoy his role as the financial ITK, but I highly doubt that any serious consortium looking to takeover a club would 'leak' this kind of information would they?

With that said, I do believe that the current owners will be absolutely terrible at trying to sell the club.
I feel exactly the same on both counts.

The facts it's a name that's previously been reported, it's easier for crossed wires/something easier to run with. Albeit, it could also give it more credence. But yeah, still mega cynical about it all until official statements come out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:09:59
Morshead confirmed that Trust haven't been consulted on with regards to Fair Game.

The fact it's gone to the club for sign-off confirms it's not an impartial review either sadly.

Convenient that! Whatever happened to the MOU that was signed?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:10:39
Twitter sleuth Jason Lane hosted a space last night. Have listened back and with the usual caveats: He states that an English Consortium led by previously mentioned by Whelan Luke Dowling has submitted an offer to purchase the club. This offer has been left unresponded to for 4 weeks. Bid for ~£10mn but Clem is holding out for £16mn.

It was reported (as rumours) that Luke Dowling was ‘helping’ to facilitate a sale - apart from some (made up?) numbers this isn’t anything that wasn’t already in the public domain.

Although Dowling has held technical director roles; so would not have the financial clout (certainly not through his career in football) to run the club anyway.

…however, low and behold one of his previous clubs was West Brom - which appears to be quite a common theme currently.


Also as Nemo has said - EFL are usually right on the case if players aren’t paid plus won’t a lot of people potentially had a later than usual pay this month due to the bank holidays falling at the end of the month…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:22:40
Usually pay gets paid a day earlier if the usual day is a Bank Holiday.

I’m beginning to care less day by day.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 08:27:23
Jason Lane says a lot of things, without actually saying a lot.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 09:03:40
Bloke lives on fantasy island and takes whatever he reads on the internet as gospel. His love in for able was amusing



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 09:14:46
Also as Nemo has said - EFL are usually right on the case if players aren’t paid

As I understand it (i.e. not much) it's a self declaration of late payment, but there is a proper "prove it" audit at some point. I think there is a couple of days grace around payment before it is "late".

I can't look up the source of this right now, this is from memory.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 09:17:26
As I understand it (i.e. not much) it's a self declaration of late payment, but there is a proper "prove it" audit at some point. I think there is a couple of days grace around payment before it is "late".

I can't look up the source of this right now, this is from memory.

52.6 in the regs
https://www.efl.com/governance/regulations/#heading-transfercompensation-fees-method-of-payment


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 12:39:03
A "late payment" to Hatswell could be a possible source for Lane, either first or second or even third hand (I honestly do not know the extent to their relationship these days, or extended one).  A player could be a possible source for inside information, but would presume that would be several layers removed at best (any player would be at least second hand info of any ownership type dealings, you'd think).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 12:43:56
Thanks Sam.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 13:50:54
Fair Game due at 3pm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:14:59
https://goalassist.co.uk/swindon-town-report-2023


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:15:41
Fair Game due at 3pm.

Fashionably late?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:17:24
Just flicked through and appears absolutely pointless. Just puts some words around the figures in the accounts?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:24:15
I think there's some interesting breakdown in there on the income side, net transfer income for the past two years for example: we made £911k on sales (minus purchases) 22/23, 445k 21/22. Making £911k on sales and still losing £1m (before Eady) is pretty stark.

There's also a high level breakdown of the cost of sales:

Cost of sales 2023 2022
Football (3,269,676) (2,993,886)
Catering (477,877) (233,498)
Grants and fees payable (438,089) (249,000)
Shop / Retail (332,166) (330,860)
Marketing (51,263) (79,200)
Other (504) (50,224)

"Football" clearly includes a fair bit more than just wages, I think ground maintenance must be in there.

Also a less useful breakdown of admin expenses, which I see net transfer income has been taken off (not really sure how it's related at all!)

Admin expenses 2023 2022
Overheads (3,425,956) (2,763,666)
Net transfer income 911,750 445,000
Joint venture (1,150,000) -


I'd say this is broadly what I expected, a bit more detailed breakdown but fundamentally nobody is going to release a report saying "Zav took £500 in used bank notes out of the till on 1st Feb" (not that I'm suggesting he would do such a thing, but you get the example).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:32:56
Ground maintenance would be included in general expenses, as it's not a cost of sale, as it's maintenance it would be a general expense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:34:10
So presumably that would be in overheads. It would obviously be nice to know what "Football" involves as it's going to be more than just the first team wages - also playing staff, academy costs perhaps?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:35:05
um, I hate to be negative, but this seems like a bit of waste of time. Happy to be told otherwise.

Also nice to see we've changed our name - In recent years, Swindona Town has embarked on a mission to strengthen its presence both on and off the pitch. The club remains committed to sustainable growth, investing in infrastructure and
facilities to ensure a bright future for generations of fans to come.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:36:14
It’s farcical


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:36:44
Suprised fair game have been willing to put their name to it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:47:31
It's basically what I expected - which is better than the standard accounts, so lets give them that.  However, it is not an "independent analysis" by any stretch.  This is something the club could and should provide as it's basic minimum anyway - any competent person with a bit of financial literacy could pull this together given you only need to do it once per year.

It doesn't bring out anything meaningful beyond what we already could determine - although the breakdown of Revenue and costs is welcome, and could provide more use if continued over time.  Take for example the statement (not independent as they don't dig into it) of Clem having added 1.5m in loans.  Now go review the financial breakdown of the Balance Sheet - they do not square, not unless Clem paid himself back a similar amount.  The net position of long term debts remained fairly stable, growing by about 400k YoY.  The fact the debt to Axis increased, suggests two possibilities (could be more, but these two are most likely).  Either Clem paid himself some money back, then loaned a similar amount back via Axis, or he directly converted an existing Director Loan to Axis.  We can assume those two are most likely if we take Clem at his word that the debts were Director Loans unless otherwise stated in the previous accounts.  I'd like to think an Independent review would pick that out and try and pull the thread a little.  Very soft debt has migrated into being a little less soft.  Yes Clem owns both companies, but now he has a separate legal entity owning more debt, one linked to a business group that is under investigation for liquidation infringements, that itself could be exposed.

Anyone purporting to be driving sustainability in the football world would want to run that down.

interestingly, Goal Assist appear to have a single client/example of work, us.  Delivered via Fair Game, who are little more than a Pressure Group for EFL club chairman wanting more money from the EPL TV deals.

There is a throwaway line - they looked at the Assets, saw no change and got some basic commentary about what <100k was spent on.  It's another area that someone could dig into if truly independent and working for the fans - it's a line item that shows the club is not investing money in anything, not in terms of infrastructure.

Overall - someone at the club can just do this in future, it would be a positive step.  It wouldn't change anything underpinning the club though.  It's already a year in arrears, it doesn't unpick anything and it doesn't delve into some of the murkier dealings - not expecting answers, just acknowledgement that questions were asked and avoided.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:52:40
Oh, and the biggest alarm bell in the Accounts remains the change in position of short term debt, the amounts owed to trade creditors.  That increased by 700k in one year and nothing we have heard from the club suggests paying our bills has become easier since May 2023.  I just cannot fathom an independent review NOT looking into that.  It could just be a freak of reporting dates, but it sure as fuck would be the area I investigate - it's where the trouble can come from.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:53:39
What really highlights it as a sham is the bit that highlights the increase in staff numbers. That’s just the move to in house catering so all the match day staff. Doesn’t touch on the fact the reality is the backroom staff has been cut to almost non existent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 14:59:08
What really highlights it as a sham is the bit that highlights the increase in staff numbers. That’s just the move to in house catering so all the match day staff. Doesn’t touch on the fact the reality is the backroom staff has been cut to almost non existent.

Which was supported by the increase in catering costs.  That is precisely the sort of detail you'd like a good deal of explanation devoted to.  We took a decision to bring catering in house, that is public knowledge, but here we can explain what that meant.  We employed more part time/casual workers, increasing staff numbers and costs.  We spent more on food an beverage supplies, we spent more kiosks etc.  In return, our revenue went from x to y, creating a change in profitability of z.  Offsetting that we have allocated a potential liability of xx given legal proceedings commended by Centreplate, with whom we severed our contractual obligations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:12:08
What on earth is over 3 mil on "football" being spent on? Because it certainly is not the team...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:13:27
What a fantastic and in depth report that is, the pretty pictures are nice too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:15:10
What on earth is over 3 mil on "football" being spent on? Because it certainly is not the team...

Yeah 'football' is incredibly vague. I think what most fans were looking for was clarification on the Admin costs figure, and a breakdown of these. Perhaps 'football' refers to goalposts, and STFC/Fair Game attempting to shift them in an attempt to provide absolutely zero clarity at all.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:15:22
This is what they fobbed the trusts review off for, don’t forget


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:15:33
What is the point?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:18:02
This is what they fobbed the trusts review off for, don’t forget

I think Sam M was under the impression the Trust never even got to see these. I wonder if Bennett could opine?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:18:39
This is what they fobbed the trusts review off for, don’t forget
This whole thing just looks like a method for dodgy owners to try and legitimise dodgy accounts. They are literally taking the piss out of us now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:19:10

"Football" clearly includes a fair bit more than just wages, I think ground maintenance must be in there.


I'm sure speed and cocaine strength and conditioning falls under football.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:19:53
What is the point?

That kind of statement is necessary when publishing financial information - you need to cover your arse in the event someone actually tries to use it to base decisions from.  It's essentially saying they were given the data, not able to review authenticity and therefore if you use the information it's your risk and don't come back to us and sue us if it was wrong.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:20:57
3.6 mil admin fees, how does that compare to other similar clubs?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:21:22
So presumably that would be in overheads. It would obviously be nice to know what "Football" involves as it's going to be more than just the first team wages - also playing staff, academy costs perhaps?

Its a bit like Keiths appraisal in the office, isn't it?

"Under strengths you've just put accounts, that's your job"

You're a football club Swindon. You can't just file a ton of shit under 'football'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:25:25
3.6 mil admin fees, how does that compare to other similar clubs?

Next to impossible to tell, given so few produce any sort of detailed breakdowns.  It also open to interpretation as to what is classified as Cost of Sales vs Admin/SG&A.  The latter should essentially be a bucket for the costs of running a business that are not going to vary by how much business you actually do.  There is a case to be made that a Managers salary would live here for example - you can run a football club without one, so it's not a trading cost.  An item like a Pasty, sold to a customer, is easily identifiable as a Cost of Sale.  Between these two it can be much greyer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:29:00
The publisher, it seems, is having their first go at making a viable business out of doing it.  They are an individual who spent a year or so at the EFL in Finance and graduated from a football based Degree a few years ago, with a period of time working for their Dad's company, ostensibly as someone doing their finances.

I'm not knocking them, just because they did this for us does not tie them to our reputation.  BUT, it's not like letting a crack squad from Deloitte have a few months under the bonnet.  It's like Si Pie doing what he does on here once a year, with maybe a few post it notes given to them to flesh a few items out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:34:36
Football club spends more on unidentified admin expenses, than it does on 'Football'.

Dysfunctional, at best.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:42:18
Football club spends more on unidentified admin expenses, than it does on 'Football'.

Dysfunctional, at best.

and yet still makes a ton of 'admin errors'


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 15:48:31
Apparently the text used in the report has a 96% chance of being AI generated  :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 16:14:49
Apparently the text used in the report has a 96% chance of being AI generated  :doh:

Not a surprise - have a look at their own promo video they pulled together (which they posted on LinkedIn as if it was a business achievement).  I'm not one for knocking people trying to make a go of it, but if you insist on using Sports Visionary CEO - UK 2023 as some sort of actual sign of your reputation and performance, when your company has thus far not traded!, then I'm sorry.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 16:17:33
What on earth is over 3 mil on "football" being spent on? Because it certainly is not the team...
At a guess, once you include wages, travel, overnight stays, meals for players, tech etc it'll add up quite quickly. Mayve we could get an external body to come in and give the fans a clearer picture? Oh.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 16:23:03
Brasfords is less isnt it?

Bigger squad, bigger crowds


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 16:44:11
Typo in 5th para - I suppose Hall must have wrote the intro …. Swindona Town 🫢🫢


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 16:55:47
Brasfords is less isnt it?

Bigger squad, bigger crowds
Half the price of STs though


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 16:56:35
Side note- just looked at the Trusts twitter handle.... the bio is still referencing the AGM in February. Its April

 :headhurts:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 17:22:20
https://twitter.com/04innominate/status/1775913798542541213

Hall obviously used ChatGPT to pen the intro. What a plumb.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 18:22:38
https://twitter.com/04innominate/status/1775913798542541213

Hall obviously used ChatGPT to pen the intro. What a plumb.


What a fucking disgrace


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 19:17:45
3.6 mil admin fees, how does that compare to other similar clubs?

£1.1m is for the ground JV so in reality its:

c.£1m loss for the year
No other income
£2.5m admin fees

To be fair it's not masked over in the annual report


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 20:06:56
Tonight's Loathed Strangers tweet is interesting.....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 20:11:44
Tonight's Loathed Strangers tweet is interesting.....
Is that the Barbie one? I didn’t understand that but probably being dense.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 20:27:26
.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 20:28:24
Ah I missed the text at the top. Interesting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 20:28:34
https://x.com/loathedstranger/status/1775981592491536591?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 20:41:30
Ah its just a parody video, nothing further to be read into it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 21:45:14
https://x.com/loathedstranger/status/1775981592491536591?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

Fantastic.

The tide has definitely turned when it comes to pro clem lemmings now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 21:49:33
Until there is a breakdown of the £3.4m 'admin costs' we are none the wiser. After paying players wages etc, which won't be in that figure, where the he'll has £3.4m been spent? Ridiculous.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 4, 2024, 22:01:10
Until there is a breakdown of the £3.4m 'admin costs' we are none the wiser. After paying players wages etc, which won't be in that figure, where the he'll has £3.4m been spent? Ridiculous.
This was a good explanation from Shrewsbury Town on cost of sales and admin expenses. They had £900K on turnover of £5.7M

Cost of sales: This is the first cost we see in the P&L account and it is the cost required to deliver the services provided for a company. For example – for a company that sells cars, their turnover is the amount received per car, and the cost of sale is the cost to manufacture that car and any other costs needed to be able to sell that car. For a football club the key cost of sale is salaries. These are likely to be split between cost of sales for players’ salaries and other costs associated with putting on matches etc.
For a football club, salaries are split between Cost of Sales (salaries linked directly to revenue, such as player salaries) and Administrative Expenses (sales/ wages which are fixed, such as employees of the club working in administrative or other roles).
The accounts give details of the total amount spent on salaries/ wages – this covers all club staff including players. The amount spent on salaries in the 2021/22 season was £4.4m, c. £0.3m higher than in the prior season.
Administrative expenses: These are other costs of the club and are likely to include utilities (such as water, electricity etc.) and repairs/ maintenance needed on the stadium. These costs have fallen marginally year on year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 5, 2024, 07:34:38
https://x.com/loathedstranger/status/1775981592491536591?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

As ridiculous as it would be, if any protest wanted to get national news coverage, having a bunch of protestors dress up as Ken would do it...

Anyone got the body for it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Crispy on Friday, April 5, 2024, 08:03:49
As ridiculous as it would be, if any protest wanted to get national news coverage, having a bunch of protestors dress up as Ken would do it...

Anyone got the body for it?

Yep


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, April 5, 2024, 08:21:19
Yep
Who you thinking?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Friday, April 5, 2024, 10:14:04
[shoehorn]We've had Clenough.[/shoehorn]


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 5, 2024, 10:27:38
That Jason Lane fella is organising a protest outside the Arkells on the 13th

Has notified the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 5, 2024, 10:42:13
Supposed to be working from home that day till 3. Might make it down there anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:06:51
That Jason Lane fella is organising a protest outside the Arkells on the 13th

Has notified the club

What a tool - I'm sure there will be him and half a dozen teens in attendance with Hall standing at the door on the phone to Clem 'yea don't worry me old mucker its only a few pesky kids and their dad'

If you want to do something then at the moment you do it inside the ground surely until there is enough of a groundswell for a round the back of the arkells, try and get chants going, get some bedsheets put up facing the magic or the enterance to the ground etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:07:58
What a tool - I'm sure there will be him and half a dozen teens in attendance with Hall standing at the door on the phone to Clem 'yea don't worry me old mucker its only a few pesky kids and their dad'

If you want to do something then at the moment you do it inside the ground surely until there is enough of a groundswell for a round the back of the arkells, try and get chants going, get some bedsheets put up facing the magic or the enterance to the ground etc
Fair play to him i say. I will join him


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:19:06
Can't blame him for having a go, damp squib or not.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Friday, April 5, 2024, 13:32:30
What a tool - I'm sure there will be him and half a dozen teens in attendance with Hall standing at the door on the phone to Clem 'yea don't worry me old mucker its only a few pesky kids and their dad'

If you want to do something then at the moment you do it inside the ground surely until there is enough of a groundswell for a round the back of the arkells, try and get chants going, get some bedsheets put up facing the magic or the enterance to the ground etc

At least he’s trying to do something. I’d join in if I was going to the game. I hope people that are going join him.

If you want to organise something inside the ground, do it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 5, 2024, 14:21:10
I'm fairly certain (as in not 100%!) that Jason may well have been on the pre-YTS books at STFC back in the day.  I know a bunch of the Moredon and Ferndale ones were, including Minturn's dad.  Lane may have been right on the periphery of that group (trying to remember talent levels from the early late 80's).  Maybe he could try and wrangle the old crew to turn up - which would include the Dad of a current STFC player, the ex- STFC Assistant Manager, the Head of Youth Development at Chelsea and Danny Jordan (those of a Shield and Dagger persuasion probably know him).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 7, 2024, 13:23:15
Meanwhile in the one walled Fanzone Portakabin-cum-lean-to, Clem has apparently been liaising with Anthony Hall about how to drive season ticket sales in the Summer. They've come up with a song and some lyrics for some much needed fan boosting morale. The Limited Edition Magnetic Tape will be available exclusively via the Fanzai App and comes with a free crayon drawing of Hayley Westenra. It was suggested that Clem be lead singer, after former Town legend Kelvin Freshwater, declined the offer.

It will ft Zav Austin on two part harmonies and Hall on triangle cos...well ya know...

Clabb In Delusion
==============

There's a team, I feel
So rare, unreal
It's the clabb in delusion
The clabb as none
Bumbling together
One mind, one Hart
(Adam, Adam)
All my greed, every convict
Once joined, never apart
Searching for the worst in me
I will fight in bucket hat
If we win, lose or draw
I'll still take it all
It's the clabb in delusion
The clabb as none
As we drop to reach the National League
A new wage (negotiation) has begun

We'll face no hotel stays
Outside, the M4
We must take our place in history
And play with Truro City
Just to be the worst I can
Sets morals for every man
If we win, lose or draw
It's a win only for me
It's my clabb in delusion
My clabb as none
As we drop to reach the National League
A new wage (negotiation) has begun
It's my clabb in delusion
My clabb as none
As we drop to reach the National League
A new wage (negotiation) has begun


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh91WLNeD8g


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 8, 2024, 21:08:25
6 and a half years ago - roughly when the PB tenure was anticipating a close and Town were about to be left hovering around the ''Beamish Line'' and our home gate versus Cambridge was this

5824 att

It was surprisingly going to go lower than that though, as there was a League game of around 5,700 in that season {with Wellens long already replacing PB} but also, our FA Cup exploits, both at home only had gates of 3,700 versus both York City and Woking respectively.

I think that the current board should count themselves very lucky that at this absolute dogs underpants of a season, there is still about 7500 hardy souls ''attending'' home matches. But if Clemente & Co are to be here next season, they should take heed of what attendances can and will be like - even after ridding of a manager and getting in our most successful one in the last 10yrs.

Basically Clem, should know because he was sniffing around the prospects of owning the club about a year prior to this anyway, so he should expect that crowds can be halved and I'm very surprised that they aren't closer to those listed above.

Apologies if already been posted but I found this article by Medium, published about a month ago, quite interesting.

https://medium.com/@euanwalsh07/whats-gone-wrong-for-clem-morfuni-at-swindon-town-a87ea8db31af

NB: This article also reminded me that Clem met Power in 2014 and has been involved with the club in some capacity {as a sponsor} since 2015. Ergo, he's been around for a good 10 years :gulp:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 11:31:27
I see one of the new Trust Board members has stated fans expectations around ground redevelopment are/were too high...

The comment came off the back of a repost of the specific plan the club released back in 21/22 :doh:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 11:46:02
I see one of the new Trust Board members has stated fans expectations around ground redevelopment are/were too high...

The comment came off the back of a repost of the specific plan the club released back in 21/22 :doh:
I really want to back the trust but after a quick look through his tweets it really is a case of him just defending the clubs decisions. Such a shame as there are a few board members who i have spoken o who are very keen to hold them to account but looks like they are against it from within the trust still


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 11:53:47
Is he one that was touting for investors on twitter?

Read somewhere the club had been late with every payment to the JV so far, whether true or not i dont know but it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.

How they can expect redevelop is beyond me if they cant even pay the JV on time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:09:51
Is he one that was touting for investors on twitter?

Read somewhere the club had been late with every payment to the JV so far, whether true or not i dont know but it wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.

How they can expect redevelop is beyond me if they cant even pay the JV on time

I am firmly of the belief that the club has no real idea on how to redevelop the ground, and had hoped to botch something with Axis as primary contractor.  I very much doubt long term investment is close to front and centre of most of the people associated with the club.  For them it's more immediate.

All that said - a proper redevelopment does not hinge on the financial well being or clout of the owner.  It will stand or fall on the financial business case associated to it, and the people they get involved to seek capital and manage it.  They could build a new 500m stadium complex there, if they wanted to.  People build things all the time, without a football club being involved.  Obviously, the football club makes it a bit trickier - you have to use land for a financial loss aspect (the pitch), and seats and stuff make it more expensive to build office space, or hotels, or shops, or whatever.  I'm not suggesting we would ever do that, but a property deal is not the same as running a football club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:24:15
I see one of the new Trust Board members has stated fans expectations around ground redevelopment are/were too high...

The comment came off the back of a repost of the specific plan the club released back in 21/22 :doh:

I heard about his comments from someone on our Whatsapp Group and had a quick look over lunch and I think he used the example of the cleaning of the clock as to what the cash for maintenance of the ground was used on. (which I thought was Gratis thanks to the goodwill of a local company)

From James Spencer to Frank, perhaps.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:28:24
The organiser of the protest at the County Ground this weekend said that he fears Swindon Town’s situation could soon be worse than Reading’s.

Jason Lane is organising a protest against the ownership of the club at and before the game against AFC Wimbledon this weekend.

The protest will see a vocal display outside The Arkell’s John Trollope Stand at 2pm, fans not returning to their seats until the 50th minute after halftime, and a minute of sarcastic applause during the 69th minute of the game.

Lane says that he believes that he must take action now as without fans starting to get involved then the very near future of the club could be very bleak.

He said: “It is the lies, the deceit, the BS, and probably the last straw for me was the Fair Game report.

“The way I see it, something needs to happen because we can’t keep going in decline season on season.

“The fans are staying away because they don’t want Clem [Morfuni] here, even the Fans’ Forum was a joke.

“If he was to look at how season tickets have sold compared to last season, by the end of May they will be about 1,500 down and those early bird sales keep the club ticking over during the summer.

“Something has got to change, and it has to change at the top because as much as Clem can say we need to change our mindset, he needs to change his mindset.

“If nothing happens and no one protests and we all bury our heads in the sand then we will end up in a worse position than Reading, I have no doubt about that.

“My personal opinion is that if Clem Morfuni is still at the club and nothing changes, I would probably give it to about November before the club will be in administration or liquidated.”

Lane said that the protest at the Wimbledon game will be the start of a longer process of protests to try and highlight the issues within the club.

He said: “For the final home game against Morecambe on April 27, we will talk about how Saturday went and then start making plans for then.

“A successful protest for me would be more than ten people and the fans to start uniting because there has been a lot of toxicity between the fans, and they are divided.”

Swindon Town have been approached for comment about this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:31:34
If nothing else it may make the club sit up and take note, especially after Phipps comment he doesn't think the club appreciate the issues/feeling properly.

That said, maybe a damp squib will make them double down on that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:32:36
"and a minute of sarcastic applause during the 69th minute of the game."

How will we know the applause is sarcastic? Will it be like a slow clap?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:37:46
If nothing else it may make the club sit up and take note, especially after Phipps comment he doesn't think the club appreciate the issues/feeling properly.

That said, maybe a damp squib will make them double down on that.

For there to be any protest, even a small one, then i guess at least it shows the disquiet.

Not sure what difference 10 people returning to their seat at the 50 min mark will make. More than that do so already in the executive area!!

The 69 minute 'saracastic' clap is perhaps the most audible/visible item. Where it takes some commitment from people to go the protest at 2pm, way more could join in with the clap if it was communicated widely. Its the first i have heard of that part.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:49:13
A protest needs to be visible, especially to the media.

If you get a story on sky sports news about things being thrown onto the pitch en masse to disrupt the game then Clem & Co will find it harder to ignore


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:53:53
I applaud what Jason is doing, and getting is plan documented in the local paper is a good way to try and snowball plans. Ultimately the sarcastic clap and the return to seat thing is unlikely to get noticed by any media, but perhaps something more disruptive will be planned for the Morecambe game.

The comments in the Adver article does suggest there is still a split of Pro and Anti-Clem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:54:57
Could we do a reverse protest?  Given how miss treated everything has become, maybe fans replace the pitch at half time, or clean the clock, or install a new Next Fixture Board outside the ground.  A sort of STFC DIY SOS PROTEST SPECIAL.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 12:58:32
Much has been discussed about this protest and those organising it, on here and probably on wider SM, but for me, no matter the method or the drivers, i am just glad that somebody is having a go.  Noise is noise, whether it is a loud or effective noise or not, it's noise.  It was clear from the fans forum that the reaction of the fans really did surprise the ownership and blind sided them completely.  The more noise that they are aware of, whether small or large, whether they read about it or actually hear it, can only be a good thing.

We can't complain that nobody is doing anything and then criticise the methods of those actually trying, as long as they don't overstep the mark and put us at risk of sanctions or point deductions.

Fair play to them i say, have a go and let's see if it creates a little bit of momentum.  One person's sarcastic clap is another person's orange hat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 13:04:05
The organiser of the protest at the County Ground this weekend said that he fears Swindon Town’s situation could soon be worse than Reading’s.

Jason Lane is organising a protest against the ownership of the club at and before the game against AFC Wimbledon this weekend.

The protest will see a vocal display outside The Arkell’s John Trollope Stand at 2pm, fans not returning to their seats until the 50th minute after halftime, and a minute of sarcastic applause during the 69th minute of the game.

Lane says that he believes that he must take action now as without fans starting to get involved then the very near future of the club could be very bleak.

He said: “It is the lies, the deceit, the BS, and probably the last straw for me was the Fair Game report.

“The way I see it, something needs to happen because we can’t keep going in decline season on season.

“The fans are staying away because they don’t want Clem [Morfuni] here, even the Fans’ Forum was a joke.

“If he was to look at how season tickets have sold compared to last season, by the end of May they will be about 1,500 down and those early bird sales keep the club ticking over during the summer.

“Something has got to change, and it has to change at the top because as much as Clem can say we need to change our mindset, he needs to change his mindset.

“If nothing happens and no one protests and we all bury our heads in the sand then we will end up in a worse position than Reading, I have no doubt about that.

“My personal opinion is that if Clem Morfuni is still at the club and nothing changes, I would probably give it to about November before the club will be in administration or liquidated.”

Lane said that the protest at the Wimbledon game will be the start of a longer process of protests to try and highlight the issues within the club.

He said: “For the final home game against Morecambe on April 27, we will talk about how Saturday went and then start making plans for then.

“A successful protest for me would be more than ten people and the fans to start uniting because there has been a lot of toxicity between the fans, and they are divided.”

Swindon Town have been approached for comment about this.

The part about possible liquidation/admin doesn't make sense, it would mean Clem wouldn't get any of his money back, which as everyone keeps telling me, plenty of people are interested, so why would he do it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jilted John on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 13:06:35
The part about possible liquidation/admin doesn't make sense, it would mean Clem wouldn't get any of his money back, which as everyone keeps telling me, plenty of people are interested, so why would he do it?
Maybe its because he hasnt actually put that much money into the club as hes saying he has and looking for an easy way out, like he has done with almost all his companies going bust too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 13:08:15
I imagine he is suggesting that it wouldn't be a choice, it would be forced via a creditor, or multiple, pushing for a winding-up order, and then forcing the club into one of those options.  The growing short term liquidity issues are evident in the accounts, which are a year behind reality, so could be worse.  Clem has recent for being chased around the globe by creditors, and even that case could indirectly cause STFC issues if and when any judgements are made.

I doubt Clem would push for liquidation, but he has moved debt from Director loans to loans from his other companies (at least it looks that way from the Accounts).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 13:43:38
I reckon we should go fancy dress last home game of the season as Mario the plumber.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 13:52:01
You could always go for a little bit of cultural insensitivity as well as being sarcastic about people who attend our games but definitely do not influence the clubs running, and come as Convicts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 13:56:52
I reckon we should go fancy dress last home game of the season as Mario the plumber.
Hey Clemio.

(https://i.postimg.cc/90JbtHSn/130830009-shutterstock-editorial-12942055dg.jpg)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 14:03:33
I can't see any connection between an outwardly amiable plumber who lives in a far away land, goes around hoovering up coins and sometimes driving a vehicle, but is associated with a variety of strange and outlandish characters...

and Super Mario.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 14:06:26
Hey Clemio.

(https://i.postimg.cc/90JbtHSn/130830009-shutterstock-editorial-12942055dg.jpg)
Don’t sully my avatar!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 14:12:43
Don’t sully my avatar!
Do you know what? I genuinely had no idea I picked the same picture on google as you have as your avatar...right up until that moment you mentioned it!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 14:33:57
Much has been discussed about this protest and those organising it, on here and probably on wider SM, but for me, no matter the method or the drivers, i am just glad that somebody is having a go.  Noise is noise, whether it is a loud or effective noise or not, it's noise.  It was clear from the fans forum that the reaction of the fans really did surprise the ownership and blind sided them completely.  The more noise that they are aware of, whether small or large, whether they read about it or actually hear it, can only be a good thing.

We can't complain that nobody is doing anything and then criticise the methods of those actually trying, as long as they don't overstep the mark and put us at risk of sanctions or point deductions.

Fair play to them i say, have a go and let's see if it creates a little bit of momentum.  One person's sarcastic clap is another person's orange hat.
Absolutely this. Good on him. If the twitter official site is anything to go by he will have the numbers, more than 10


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 15:58:34
The part about possible liquidation/admin doesn't make sense, it would mean Clem wouldn't get any of his money back, which as everyone keeps telling me, plenty of people are interested, so why would he do it?
Well let’s theorise here that the money he’s put into the club isn’t his and was say dirty money from someone with a background in money laundering. If ‘clean’ money has then been extracted through inflated costs to individuals then they are effectively already in profit so liquidation would have little consequence…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 17:03:30
Do you know what? I genuinely had no idea I picked the same picture on google as you have as your avatar...right up until that moment you mentioned it!
That’s why I chose it. Being run by a comical plumber seemed appropriate.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 17:42:02
The comments in the Adver article does suggest there is still a split of Pro and Anti-Clem.

It’s quite worry just how blinded some people are to clap along with Clem. Surely they can see just how badly the club is doing right now! I just don’t understand their ignorance and naivety.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 17:55:37
I'm still waiting for a decent bike rack.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 18:28:08
It’s quite worry just how blinded some people are to clap along with Clem. Surely they can see just how badly the club is doing right now! I just don’t understand their ignorance and naivety.

They will still go along with Clem if he took us to national league.

Not sure what more evidence they need- yet another summer of a joke transfer policy

Fans deserve so much better. I like many others won’t be renewing my ST without major ownership changes- not just tinkering around the edges


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 18:48:50
I'm still waiting for a decent bike rack.

Oh, now it has to be decent as well?  Fucking annoying fans and their expectations, it's hard enough finding a rusty one, with some nails poking out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, April 10, 2024, 18:49:06
I think it’s very much an echo chamber on there. I don’t think they represent much of the fan base. Everyone I’ve spoken to seems to be very much anti Clem now, even some of the ones that didn’t express much opinion.

Like you I won’t be renewing and I won’t even be attending any of the home games we have left.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 09:53:01
According to the bloke sat next to me in a tyre establishment, Morfuni put £9m in last year. The fans, that’s us, are fickle. 🤭🤔


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 10:02:35
According to the bloke sat next to me in a tyre establishment, Morfuni put £9m in last year. The fans, that’s us, are fickle. 🤭🤔
Would have been nice of the club to include that in the accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 10:13:56
Would have been nice of the club to include that in the accounts.

Just proves that some people will believe anything.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 13:19:18
Morecambe deducted three points by EFL - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68790296

Not us this time but a precedent.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 15:52:06
Morecambe deducted three points by EFL - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68790296

Not us this time but a precedent.

A line in the sand for Digger and his mouth piece to cross at their peril.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 17:15:37

A line in the sand for Digger and his mouth piece to cross at their peril.


This is also why I don't think the club are ''safe'' from relegation yet :gulp:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 17:40:43
We've only got a transfer embargo hanging over us, not points afaik


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 20:46:30
We've only got a transfer embargo hanging over us, not points afaik

As far as we are aware.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 21:05:11
True. But the fa/EFL haven't released anything


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, April 11, 2024, 21:39:21

We've only got a transfer embargo hanging over us, not points afaik


Thought Town were riding a fine line on a potential suspended points thing related to future conduct/breaches - like if Town/Formuni made one more ''admin error''?

And I would err caution... no one knew the club had an embargo or ''Fee Restriction'' until the last window had pretty much slammed shut  :headhurts:

Looking a smidge deeper and regarding Formuni's fine for shares, decided in March this year;

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets.gc.eflservices.co.uk/76a87ff0-da05-11ee-aad5-151182da93b4.pdf

14. Having reviewed the Club’s and UBO’s submissions, the EFL sought the following proposed sanction in
respect of the Charges:
a. In respect of the breaches covered by Charge 1 and Charge 2, due to the fact the breaches were
inadvertent, the Club is sanctioned with a reprimand and warning as to its future conduct;


My concern is the club under current guise aren't averse to making more ''admin errors'' and thus could breach {or just continue to piss off} EFL rules, whereby the EFL might decide ''we've had you for two different things this year, you aren't learning lessons so here's a suspended points or an immediate points sanction.

====

Other stuff, regarding late payments to Third Party Ticketing and HMRC twice, decision made in Jan this year;

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/gc-media-assets.gc.eflservices.co.uk/30554960-bf62-11ee-b978-69178c8c4d36.pdf

Point 14.g.ii is an interesting observation regarding a sale.

The suit stating '...which I infer is potentially being made available for sale...'?!  :hmmm:

 :fear: :fear:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, April 12, 2024, 05:54:52
True. But the fa/EFL haven't released anything

Not yet. We hope there’s nothing to investigate at all, however, wouldn’t be that much of a surprise now would it if something came out of the woodwork.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 12, 2024, 06:11:24
Thankfully they are so slow it'll probably be next year if anything like that comes out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, April 12, 2024, 07:11:10
Anything of note come out of last night's supporters club evening?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 12, 2024, 07:19:40
Anything of note come out of last night's supporters club evening?

It was EOS awards wasn't it? Doesn't seem to have been announced anywhere though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:01:07
I was there last night, was a decent night.  Had a few beers with Ginginho and sat next to Sean McGurk for dinner, what a nice lad.  Had a good chat, and he is very excited and motivated for next year and wants to make his mark with us, if the club take up the "option".

Ging was sat next to FBT on our table also, some interesting conversations.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:03:10
Oh, and Kemp won Adver POTS and Disabled fans POTS awards, which was amusing, saw a video message from him and also our Aussie saviour..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:07:51
Cheers Berniman, good to hear


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:08:51
New Sky Sports deal has been announced and will be 248 League Two matches broadcasted next season. 5 matches from League One and Two combined each weekend.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12873679/sky-sports-agrees-new-five-year-efl-deal-over-1000-matches-per-season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:09:51
New Sky Sports deal has been announced and will be 248 League Two matches broadcasted next season. 5 matches from League One and Two combined each weekend.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12873679/sky-sports-agrees-new-five-year-efl-deal-over-1000-matches-per-season

Yep, but no iFollow coverage next season

Just had this email

From next season (2024/25), a new rights agreement between the EFL and Sky Sports comes into effect, making Sky Sports the home of the EFL. With over 1,000 EFL fixtures live on Sky Sports via Sky and NOW each season, iFollow will cease to offer domestic live video coverage of EFL matches.

The update comes as we begin a five-year rights deal with Sky Sports and will see significantly enhanced exposure for all EFL clubs.

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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:18:44
Ifollow still possible via VPN from what I read


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:19:34
Hmm. Suggests iFollow might still be available for the Chateau botherers, but whether they might enforce that a little more strongly now it's at least partially on UK TV, who knows.

Presumably that also means one game in four not kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, April 12, 2024, 10:18:52
Presumably that also means one game in four not kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday?
I guess they'll likely show all midweek games as the blackout doesn't have to be considered. If they're showing 5 from L1 and L2 on a Saturday and they split it evenly (2.5 games out of 12 per weekend) that's roughly 1 in 5 Saturday matches to be rearranged, or 1 in 10 home Saturday matches. Not too bad when you boil it down that far I suppose.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 10:27:59
Ging was sat next to FBT on our table also, some interesting conversations.
I was sat with FBT at the sponsors evening, hes a very open and honest person who probably says a little more than he should at times, gotta love him, nice bloke too.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 11:46:02
I was sat with FBT at the sponsors evening, hes a very open and honest person who probably says a little more than he should at times, gotta love him, nice bloke too.

Yep, he was very open about the current situation, probably because he has nothing to lose.  One thing is clear, he won't be here next season unless they appoint a decent manager and start to show ambition as a club, which means he won't be here next season.  Wants to stay, but not under current circumstances.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 12, 2024, 11:48:04
Yep, he was very open about the current situation, probably because he has nothing to lose.  One thing is clear, he won't be here next season unless they appoint a decent manager and start to show ambition as a club, which means he won't be here next season.  Wants to stay, but not under current circumstances.
Unless we tap him here with a contract option


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 12, 2024, 12:10:26
Oh, and Kemp won Adver POTS and Disabled fans POTS awards, which was amusing, saw a video message from him and also our Aussie saviour..

What did our fearless leader say? Same old shit? Weve learnt our lessons etc


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 12, 2024, 12:29:07
Yep, he was very open about the current situation, probably because he has nothing to lose.  One thing is clear, he won't be here next season unless they appoint a decent manager and start to show ambition as a club, which means he won't be here next season.  Wants to stay, but not under current circumstances.

He is probably one of the few players we have here that would quite easily fit into another L2 team, same with Austin, be good to see both of them stay next season  but without ambition etc. it will be the kids looking to nail down a 1st team place.

I'm sure there is something to him losing the captaincy also....


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Friday, April 12, 2024, 12:45:41
Yep, he was very open about the current situation, probably because he has nothing to lose.  One thing is clear, he won't be here next season unless they appoint a decent manager and start to show ambition as a club, which means he won't be here next season.  Wants to stay, but not under current circumstances.

Sounds like a really nice guy but I’m fine with him leaving. He’s been a major part of the worst defence in the clubs history.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Friday, April 12, 2024, 12:53:43
Sounds like a really nice guy but I’m fine with him leaving. He’s been a major part of the worst defence in the clubs history.

I understand this take, but disagree. I think we often under estimate how much influence a manager/head coach has.

Also statistically not the worst defense in our history either.

But he played in a kamikaze formation under Flynn, and now plays for an idiot in Gunning. I can't over state how much i have heard about how bad gunning is as the man in control.

I don't see we get much better than a FBT in league 2 honestly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 12, 2024, 13:06:21
Sounds like a really nice guy but I’m fine with him leaving. He’s been a major part of the worst defence in the clubs history.

He was also our Player of the Season last year. He's one of a fair few who, if he leaves (and I suspect he will), will get a better club than us.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 13:06:31
Yep, he was very open about the current situation, probably because he has nothing to lose.  One thing is clear, he won't be here next season unless they appoint a decent manager and start to show ambition as a club, which means he won't be here next season.  Wants to stay, but not under current circumstances.
Pretty much what he said to me at the Sponsors evening.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 12, 2024, 13:07:17
I understand this take, but disagree. I think we often under estimate how much influence a manager/head coach has.

Also statistically not the worst defense in our history either.

But he played in a kamikaze formation under Flynn, and now plays for an idiot in Gunning. I can't over state how much i have heard about how bad gunning is as the man in control.

I don't see we get much better than a FBT in league 2 honestly.

Agree.
You put a decent few players next to him and stop this pick n mix selection.
Then replace this idiot in the dugout you have a decent player at this level.

The misery continues sadly.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 13:22:16
Even though our defence has been terrible this season in the main Dokes and FBT are 2 that I would happily keep here if we have a tactic that plays to their strengths.

Even maybe McCarthy if hes available as on Saturday he made some great tackles and interceptions so he has it in him but its getting it out of him consistantly.

Tactics make a team, individuals rarely do, they get results but do not make a team when you have to rely on them, like Kemp/Young earlier in the season and McKirdy in the play off season.

Talented individuals just paper over cracks in a team, but add those players to a solid team and that takes that team onto the next level.

At no point this year have we looked a team with strong tactics, with each player knowing their role in a side, even earlier in the season we played great football at times but defensively the formation and tactics were still way off the mark, also back then we were playing 3 at the back, which almost all of us can see doesnt work with the players we have.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 12, 2024, 13:25:46
Sounds like a really nice guy but I’m fine with him leaving. He’s been a major part of the worst defence in the clubs history.

I've seen this 'part of a terrible defence so get rid' stance and I can't really understand it. Pretty much what Riddick and Nemo have said sums things up for me. This season has been an utter hotch potch which of course has seen us conceding absolutely stupid goals again and again. But I don't think you get many better defenders, or leaders at this level than FBT.  

Edit - just saw JJ's post. I agree with him also, Dokes and FBT are the ones i'd keep. Kokolo I'm on the fence about still, I quite like him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Friday, April 12, 2024, 13:29:21
It’s interesting to hear FBT’s perspective- I don’t doubt it’s true. But it does seem unprofessional to be slagging off your employer when you’re on work duty. Probably for the best all round if he’s going.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 12, 2024, 14:36:54
It’s interesting to hear FBT’s perspective- I don’t doubt it’s true. But it does seem unprofessional to be slagging off your employer when you’re on work duty. Probably for the best all round if he’s going.

Best for him. He's clearly not happy. Will get a better deal elsewhere I'm sure.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, April 12, 2024, 14:51:57
We spent the 2nd lowest on agent fees for this season. Our £23k total is less than 10% of FGR's £260k.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 12, 2024, 15:00:39
FGR's £260k.

Value for money there


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 15:24:27
What did our fearless leader say? Same old shit? Weve learnt our lessons etc

ROOOOOAAAAR


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 12, 2024, 15:31:32
It’s interesting to hear FBT’s perspective- I don’t doubt it’s true. But it does seem unprofessional to be slagging off your employer when you’re on work duty. Probably for the best all round if he’s going.

He was far from slagging off his employer, went as far to say that GG is an OK coach, he's just not a manager.  He was very complimentory about the club and the fans and made it clear he doesn't want to leave, just wants to see the right manager and an ambition to match his - IMO that is fair enough as we have had no decent managers in his stint here or any semblence of ambition.  He was also uber complimentory about Shan, saying he was the best coach he has worked with since Darren Ferguson.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 12, 2024, 15:36:54
If we get Gunning we must also shackle Shan.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, April 12, 2024, 16:00:49
I was there last night, was a decent night.  Had a few beers with Ginginho and sat next to Sean McGurk for dinner, what a nice lad.  Had a good chat, and he is very excited and motivated for next year and wants to make his mark with us, if the club take up the "option".

Ging was sat next to FBT on our table also, some interesting conversations.

FBT was very open and he won't be here next season, he's already told them he wants to leave.
However the club have an option on him, so could trigger it (which i'm sure they will) to get a fee.

Shame as he would almost certainly be happy to stay, he said the way the club is being run is a joke and Gunning shouldn't be anywhere near the managers job.

He was full of praise for Shan and thinks the recent upturn in results is down to him and his attention to detail.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, April 12, 2024, 16:30:30

We spent the 2nd lowest on agent fees for this season. Our £23k total is less than 10% of FGR's £260k.


...and Chelsea spent c£410m  ::)

From c£23k to c£410m and yet both teams embroiled in some Abramovich jiggery pokery   ???


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, April 12, 2024, 18:38:47
Not quite, the total Premier League spend was £410m, Chelsea spent £75m of that. Obscene nonetheless.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Friday, April 12, 2024, 21:03:58
Sorry if I missed it, anyone else seen the training video today? What a fucking disgrace that training ground is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 12, 2024, 22:26:21
Seen scrap yards that look in better condition than that training ground.

Fucking shambles


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 12, 2024, 23:00:55
Sorry if I missed it, anyone else seen the training video today? What a fucking disgrace that training ground is.

Pitches are good. Facilities are good. There will be teams in the bottom 2 divisions who train on worse.
Clearly the entrance way to the pitches is a bit of a dumping ground but if that video edits off the first 30 seconds and goes straight into the actual training footage no one says a thing…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 03:14:29
**Health Warning - you will NOT like this idea/team/people**

For all those who often use the line - "where are the queues of people waiting to invest?", or "why would anyone want to invest in a L2 Club when they lose money?".

The following shows, even if not an idea you can get behind, that all manner of people with more money than sense fancy having a play.....

https://www.realbedford.com/news/winklevoss-twins-to-invest-45m-into-real-bedford-football-club

Regardless of the background, can we tap up their Operations team?....

https://www.realbedford.com/strategic-plan


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 05:32:54
Pitches are good. Facilities are good. There will be teams in the bottom 2 divisions who train on worse.
Clearly the entrance way to the pitches is a bit of a dumping ground but if that video edits off the first 30 seconds and goes straight into the actual training footage no one says a thing…

Surely someone at the club looks at that video and thinks “people already believe we are tinpot, just cut out the shipping containers bit” then that video just becomes normal content that no one bats an eyelid at. Now it will become another Rolex clock image for people to point out. They really do not help themselves.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 05:45:11
Sorry if I missed it, anyone else seen the training video today? What a fucking disgrace that training ground is.
Just looked at it. Blimey. Is that Bevesrbrook? My son has played there and I don't remember it looking so shabby. Also didn't really recognise it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 07:11:50
**Health Warning - you will NOT like this idea/team/people**

For all those who often use the line - "where are the queues of people waiting to invest?", or "why would anyone want to invest in a L2 Club when they lose money?".

The following shows, even if not an idea you can get behind, that all manner of people with more money than sense fancy having a play.....

https://www.realbedford.com/news/winklevoss-twins-to-invest-45m-into-real-bedford-football-club

Regardless of the background, can we tap up their Operations team?....

https://www.realbedford.com/strategic-plan


Crypto Bros ownership, always gonna attract likeminded folk.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 10:50:47

Presumably that also means one game in four not kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday?

Few Friday night games a year would be quite nice. Maybe a later kick off on a Saturday too I'd be up for.

You know, if we get new owners and I start going again of course.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 10:52:08
Yep, he was very open about the current situation, probably because he has nothing to lose.  One thing is clear, he won't be here next season unless they appoint a decent manager and start to show ambition as a club, which means he won't be here next season.  Wants to stay, but not under current circumstances.

Wish some of the Clem lemmings could hear what he has to say first hand. Probably still wouldn't open their eyes.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 10:54:07
I understand this take, but disagree. I think we often under estimate how much influence a manager/head coach has.

Also statistically not the worst defense in our history either.

But he played in a kamikaze formation under Flynn, and now plays for an idiot in Gunning. I can't over state how much i have heard about how bad gunning is as the man in control.

I don't see we get much better than a FBT in league 2 honestly.

Yeah our defense while being a shambles in itself, you have to put some stock in to the last few managers outright refusal to recognise a need for a DCM.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 10:57:18
It’s interesting to hear FBT’s perspective- I don’t doubt it’s true. But it does seem unprofessional to be slagging off your employer when you’re on work duty. Probably for the best all round if he’s going.

Not when your employer is Clem.

I wish more of our players would speak out and help the drips take their rose tinted glasses off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 11:38:02
Not when your employer is Clem.

I wish more of our players would speak out and help the drips take their rose tinted glasses off.
Take it you’re not a fan then ?.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 13:37:27
https://twitter.com/bcks109/status/1779137164237791540

The protest went well then  :hmmm: Zav Austin has the power


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 13:40:10
That protest suspension needs explanation. It would be easy to get the wrong end of the stick and think threats have been made

The genuinely may not have been


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 13:40:47
https://twitter.com/bcks109/status/1779137164237791540

The protest went well then  :hmmm: Zav Austin has the power
He needs to clarify what he has wrote. Zav Austin saved the club?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 13:41:08
Perhaps he offered him signed pink budgie smugglers?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 13:50:58
That protest suspension needs explanation. It would be easy to get the wrong end of the stick and think threats have been made

The genuinely may not have been

I did respect Jason for putting together a protest but to drop it just like and to give such a vague explanation is hilariously embarrassing


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 13:56:55
This looks weird


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:10:46
I did respect Jason for putting together a protest but to drop it just like and to give such a vague explanation is hilariously embarrassing

Yeah thats pathetic, at least say what was said to give some transparency


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:12:39
He’s gone completely radio silence since. Very odd…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:12:58
https://x.com/lowerleaguelook/status/1779149778049257710?s=46

Derek Adams in attendance, apparently    


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:15:59
https://x.com/lowerleaguelook/status/1779149778049257710?s=46

Derek Adams in attendance, apparently   

More proof that those in charge have no clue if he is in for the job


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:27:21
More proof that those in charge have no clue if he is in for the job

It certainly wouldnt be a very Clem appointment. He’s a very opinionated manager, isn’t he? I can’t say I know too much about him, bar his Bradford and Plymouth days. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:32:18
He’s gone completely radio silence since. Very odd…

Probably in the ‘museum’


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:32:38
Has any provided a picture to show if he’s actually there?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:45:44
Has any provided a picture to show if he’s actually there?

https://x.com/pieman80/status/1779160452955512870?s=46

Yes


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:46:34
He is here, seen him myself


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:49:34
https://x.com/pieman80/status/1779160452955512870?s=46

Yes

…am I being really fucking thick here but that doesn’t look like our ground to me…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:52:30
…am I being really fucking thick here but that doesn’t look like our ground to me…
Edge of the corporate seats with the blue railing/fence that goes around it.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 14:52:44
…am I being really fucking thick here but that doesn’t look like our ground to me…
End of the arkells isn't it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:05:36
End of the arkells isn't it

It was the white barriers that’s through me but having look on iFollow I’ve noticed them by the away end for the first time in my life…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:06:38
Sat two seats along from Adams is a rather tanned Danny Wilson


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:23:56
…am I being really fucking thick here but that doesn’t look like our ground to me…

https://x.com/jmoneybadboy/status/1779164616305623146?s=46

Definitely the Arkells


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:25:58
Yeah, well I just want to say ADAMS OUT!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:31:43
Anyway why is a ‘matchday guest’ speaking to the protestors on behalf of the club

They must think we are thick


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:38:30
Well, everything we’ve got from Bradford lately has turned spectacularly to gold.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:48:06
…am I being really fucking thick here but that doesn’t look like our ground to me…

#thickaward


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 13, 2024, 15:50:38
…am I being really fucking thick here but that doesn’t look like our ground to me…

Arkells sign next to the lady in Green :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Sunday, April 14, 2024, 09:15:22
Wimbledon fans in the background


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, April 15, 2024, 18:17:52
Trust bloke saying on OSC they only had 2 hours to check the books over. Fucking pointless exercise.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 16, 2024, 13:40:24
Trust bloke saying on OSC they only had 2 hours to check the books over. Fucking pointless exercise.

soapy tit wank. What we knew then.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 16, 2024, 14:44:25
:eek:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80zj7y95yno


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 16, 2024, 15:55:34
:eek:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80zj7y95yno

Unbelievable. They actually found a club spokesman to talk to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 16, 2024, 16:38:52
Zavbot


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, April 16, 2024, 21:12:59
So many undesirable hangers on

Only way to get change is to starve Clem of money force him to sell


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 08:21:23
So many undesirable hangers on

Only way to get change is to starve Clem of money force him to sell

They’ll get the message when they’re the only ones in the ground on a match day. Dictators and emperors are not either without subjugated people to rule over. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 08:25:48
So many undesirable hangers on

Only way to get change is to starve Clem of money force him to sell

He wont sell till the Power / Standing court case is done.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 08:54:43
He wont sell because its an easy moneymaker for him and his cronies.
Corrected.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 09:11:21
I saw on Twitter someone said Jason Randford was in the directors box last night at the Bescot


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 09:16:36
I saw on Twitter someone said Jason Randford was in the directors box last night at the Bescot
Hes buying the club with his illicit finances and installing Hart as new manager.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 11:02:28
I saw on Twitter someone said Jason Randford was in the directors box last night at the Bescot


Was probably given a percentage of the club for giving his parking spaces back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 11:26:27
I saw on Twitter someone said Jason Randford was in the directors box last night at the Bescot


What is it with this fucking club and undesirables


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 12:23:03
He was at the start of the season v Forest Green away too. These are the people holding themselves out as representatives of our club…  and yet the club wonders why there is a divide between them and the supporters.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 12:32:40
I saw on Twitter someone said Jason Randford was in the directors box last night at the Bescot

He will always be there, he buys his tickets or gets invited from the head of the head of security. The fact he is suing the club tells you how messy the ownership is and how many directions Clem Morfuni must be geting pulled in


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 13:12:22
He will always be there, he buys his tickets or gets invited from the head of the head of security.

Why does the head of security get them. AFAIK Dolph isn't employed by the club, so who gives him them?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 13:13:25
Ok, in that case why is the head of security getting director tickets? He’s not a director of the club?

EDIT - Batch beat me to it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 13:15:54
EDIT - Batch beat me to it

Its OK, I reckon the answer will be Xav Austin - then you can get in with the next follow up...

Beginning to feel like Terry Pratchett's disk world, but with dubious characters replacing turtles.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 13:34:23
Ok, in that case why is the head of security getting director tickets? He’s not a director of the club?

EDIT - Batch beat me to it

Well there are no directors of the club outside Clem right? I think the club needs some representation to host opposition directors in the directors area, so these miscreants are sadly who the club provides.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 14:05:33
Anyone can get director box tickets tbf. From memory they don't represent the club they just travel along with the people who do.

Probably the least of the issues at the club as they won't have any influence over anything happening at the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 14:47:14
Probably the least of the issues at the club as they won't have any influence over anything happening at the club

Its kind of interesting though, who is getting them from who that is.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 15:29:00
Ranford now offering him out giving him his number and his post code hahahahahaha.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 15:43:29
Ranford now offering him out giving him his number and his post code hahahahahaha.

Absolutely ridiculous


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 15:46:43
Ranford now offering him out giving him his number and his post code hahahahahaha.

Is all this being thrashed out on a social media platform in the  public domain? Only Swindon


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 16:07:41
Not sure I just had a screenshot sent to me privately through the grapevine. Fucking shambles though, yet quite amusing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 16:39:25
All feels very similar to the final months of the Power regime.

Absent owners
CEO’s who don’t engage with supporters
Dodgy figures in the background representing the club in the boardroom (remember Andy Curran turning up everywhere in the Covid season)
Money disappearing left, right and centre
Uncompetitive on the pitch

Utterly depressing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 17:19:04

Not sure I just had a screenshot sent to me privately through the grapevine. Fucking shambles though, yet quite amusing.


Get it fucking posted then you gatekeeping cunt  :girlgiggle:

 :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 17:19:25
Language  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 17:29:45
Get it fucking posted then you gatekeeping cunt  :girlgiggle:

 :D

Its out there now, Jay is talking about it on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JayBox325/status/1780619307267100908


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 17:35:17
Thug FC. Brought to you by Clem Mourfuni


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 18:47:13
So, 2 games left not going up, not going down - and still nothing from our saviour clem on the future - is he saving it for after the last game so he can do his big speech about how things will change and how next season will be better, and how Gav has his backing and will be head coach next season


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 19:09:35
Not sure I just had a screenshot sent to me privately through the grapevine. Fucking shambles though, yet quite amusing.

I’ve said it before and I’ll never tire of saying it again; Jason Ranford is the biggest piece of shit I’ve ever had the displeasure of meeting. He is the very definition of cunt. There’s nothing beneath him.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 20:14:03
Its out there now, Jay is talking about it on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JayBox325/status/1780619307267100908

Is that the same Jay that told us all what a great guy Clem was and how his intentions were pure & good?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 20:26:12
It says a lot when even he's changed his mind


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 21:47:17
Can’t wait for this season to be over and take a season break. The current regime has stole my love for the club at present. ST holder who’s missed the last few home games and won’t be renewing whilst the current scumbags are still present. Surprisingly it’s been quite easy to fill that Saturday afternoon gap.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, April 17, 2024, 22:08:51
I mean, the dude looks a right fucking wannabe Essex Boi... except I didn't realise he genuinely buys his glue on toupees from Wish and Temu. Cunt

https://twitter.com/swindonadver/status/1621469813712498689


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 05:55:14
I mean, the dude looks a right fucking wannabe Essex Boi... except I didn't realise he genuinely buys his glue on toupees from Wish and Temu. Cunt

https://twitter.com/swindonadver/status/1621469813712498689

That amounts to one fifteenth of the reason he’s a cunt


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 06:28:59
Jed please come back!  Only half-joking. 


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 07:46:13
I'm not Clem is the association to Ranford honestly. He's been a guest of Charlie Austin multiple times i believe.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:13:58
I'm not Clem is the association to Ranford honestly. He's been a guest of Charlie Austin multiple times i believe.

It doesn't make sense for it to be Clem, given Randford is trying to litigate over the car wash (excluding ant CT explanations).

Surprising clubs have so little control over who can get directors tickets though. I suppose I've always though of that privilege as "representative of the club". But hey...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:28:02
He’s been around a while i think. Someone sent me a facebook screenshot from april 2022 where he himself said if people were struglling to get playoff tickets he could sort them out


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:36:46
He’s been around a while i think. Someone sent me a facebook screenshot from april 2022 where he himself said if people were struglling to get playoff tickets he could sort them out

I mean that doesn’t sound like a perfect opportunity to take people’s cash & never sort them out tickets….at all….good job that cunt Ranford hasn’t been done for fraud *oh wait*


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:37:27
True!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:37:38
I’d trust DMR with my money before him…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:38:01
Play offs? We won't hear those words anytime soon :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:46:24
I’d trust DMR with my money before him…

I wonder where he is nowadays


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 11:59:00
Is that the same Jay that told us all what a great guy Clem was and how his intentions were pure & good?
He isn't the first and will not be the last


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 12:00:17
I wonder where he is nowadays

 :sherlock:

https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/24034106.dock-latest-cases-swindon-magistrates-court/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 12:05:58
Play offs? We won't hear those words anytime soon :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Unless the EFL introduce a relegation playoff into the National League


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 13:16:04
It says a lot when even he's changed his mind

It does. Says a lot about the people that still haven't too  :D.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 15:25:14

That amounts to one fifteenth of the reason he’s a cunt


Oh indeed, but the visual cuntyness just makes it even more easy to dislike the twat.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 15:58:09
Oh indeed, but the visual cuntyness just makes it even more easy to dislike the twat.

This is true. Helps that he looks like a wife-beating, glass-throwing, steal-money-from-a-wake, fraud-loving cunt, as well as actually being all of those things.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 16:41:02
Helps that he looks like a wife-beating, glass-throwing, steal-money-from-a-wake, fraud-loving cunt, as well as actually being all of those things.
Yes but what about his bad side? :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 16:52:58
Yes but what about his bad side? :D

He likes mushrooms  :puke:


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 17:21:31
He likes mushrooms  :puke:

He's not a fun......never mind.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 19:27:26
Be careful of Randford- he is proper scum and a cunt of the highest order.

Anyone fronting up to him personally be careful- he is dangerous and he has his own heavies as well


A very poor look that he is even associated with the club - vile specimen


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 19:48:37
 a young friend of mine has been doing some internet based research on the court spat between standing and powers. looked like now much has happened in that case for some time .


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 20:03:58
Be careful of Randford- he is proper scum and a cunt of the highest order.

Anyone fronting up to him personally be careful- he is dangerous and he has his own heavies as well


A very poor look that he is even associated with the club - vile specimen
No he isn’t, he really isn’t. Others at the club yes but not him


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: molepar on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 21:16:36
No he isn’t, he really isn’t. Others at the club yes but not him
Isn’t a c*nt or isn’t dangerous?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 21:33:36
Associated with the club I think he means


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 21:39:54
Ranford should be no where near the place, and to an earlier post it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that he and Austin are pally - I bet they’ve got plenty to bond over (I’ll say no more!).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 22:30:42
so what is factual at the moment? No making shit up or giving opinions please


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Thursday, April 18, 2024, 23:19:07
Ranford gets to swan around home & away as if he’s a director - eg in the lounge, comp ticket.
He’s not a nice bloke with a dodgy hair piece & a vast, varied criminal record.
Those are the facts.

I believe he is suing the club due to the break of the agreement around him leasing park or the CG footprint for car parking or a cash wash or something.

I think the fact he gets to swan around like a director is in lieu of whatever money we owe him due to not honouring the aforementioned contract agreed with Power.

As far as I’m aware he has no power, no say and is only a director on his tickets…


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 19, 2024, 08:04:41
so what is factual at the moment? No making shit up or giving opinions please

Defending set pieces/crosses into the box are a real struggle.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, April 19, 2024, 08:11:42
Defending set pieces/crosses into the box are a real struggle.

Gunning says "listen" far too much


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: welshred on Friday, April 19, 2024, 08:18:18
Gunning says "listen" far too much

Especially for someone who has done nothing to warrant being listened to.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 19, 2024, 08:20:23
I was listening to an old Loathed Strangers Pod where Sam Morshead was chatting to Clem (in about January I think) and he uses "look" like Gunning uses "listen". Similar traits.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 19, 2024, 08:52:11
Just need a STOP now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:03:55
Surprised Jason Lane/Marple never spotted this before...............

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesespencer/



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:08:20
Surprised Jason Lane/Marple never spotted this before...............

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesespencer/

I think I missed the context for this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:13:06
I think I missed the context for this.

James Spencer working for Fair Game who ‘reviewed’’ the clubs accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:13:17
I think I missed the context for this.

The fact JS is now working for Fair Game. Nothing at all wrong with it of course, but basically what Quaggy said ^^^^


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: joeydubya on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:18:32
James Spencer working for Fair Game who ‘reviewed’’ the clubs accounts.

So the Trust saw the books, Spencer left with immediate effect and then the FairGame report magically appears with the same accounts but a few trendy graphics... i'm starting to see what's happened here! It'd almost be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:21:16
Especially for someone who has done nothing to warrant being listened to.
Spot. Fucking. On.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:23:18
Hhahahahahaha so did Jimmy write that report


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 19, 2024, 10:24:20
Hhahahahahaha so did Jimmy write that report

I thought we established that chatGPT wrote that report?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 19, 2024, 11:12:30
Hahaha. I couldn't see full profile as I wasn't logged in


Sham of a mockery built on a sham


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 19, 2024, 11:57:47
Couldn’t make it up.

Spencer has consistently embarrassed himself but this is a new low. So the sham report was his doing to try and legitimise Morfuni’s dealings.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 19, 2024, 12:14:20
Surprised nobody has mentioned LoveHoney  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Friday, April 19, 2024, 12:20:16
Surprised nobody has mentioned LoveHoney  :)

Well at least that explains him acting like a dildo on twitter in the past, he has prior experience.  The funny thing is, he is going to get a whole load of notifications of people looking at his profile after you pasted that link :D he is going to think he is really popular..


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, April 19, 2024, 12:40:39
Hhahahahahaha so did Jimmy write that report

If the word "Ultimately" appears every other sentence then he definitely did, that was his buzzword.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 19, 2024, 13:00:10
a young friend of mine has been doing some internet based research on the court spat between standing and powers. looked like now much has happened in that case for some time .

Surely it has to at some point. Anyone know when its next set to be in court?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 19, 2024, 13:08:04
So notable Clem fanboy James Spencer was involved in the fair game report. 

Fucking hell.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 19, 2024, 13:11:05
Im more amused that we didnt take an opportunity to be sponsored by Lovehoney


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 19, 2024, 13:11:28
Anyway, i hope it settles some peoples nerves.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 19, 2024, 13:28:19
Best bit is the club made a big song and dance about Fair Game being an independent review, effectively that’s another lie. If Spencer was involved then there’s nothing independent about it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 19, 2024, 14:44:34
Fair game isn't some sort of fan led grass roots movement anyway.  It's a pressure group of EFL Chairman and selected front men "fans".  It's all about getting some money from the TV deal, which is why Clem was eager to get drawn in.  I think the Trust, and maybe other clubs Trusts as well, have been drawn in by the speak of Sustainable finance - which is clearly bollocks given the clubs engaged in it.  basically all spunking money and will be happy to be sustainable, if only the pesky Premier League would give us some more.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Sam Morshead on Friday, April 19, 2024, 14:47:48
The 'Fair Game report' was compiled by the founder of a company called Goal Assist - it's actually sitting on their site nav. I spoke to him a few times during the process.
Club paid for the report, and were given oversight before publication so its 'independence' is fragile. In this instance, I'm not sure of any wider conspiracy.

https://goalassist.co.uk/our-team


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 19, 2024, 14:53:31
And goal assist looks like the brainchild of a student with a years experience in the real world, with a bunch of other members who seem like it's a bit of a leg-up from people with connections type effort.  Reeks of Sandro style - not that I am suggesting people shouldn't give setting-up their own business a go, and I have no axe to grind with the individual, but it's not where you would go for a thorough independent review and vetting.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 19, 2024, 15:51:37
I see on facebook people are complaining that they still havent received their lottery winnings 3 weeks after the draw. Keep being fobbed off with ‘its being sorted’

I know its not much, but its the principle isnt it



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 19, 2024, 15:59:38
I see on facebook people are complaining that they still havent received their lottery winnings 3 weeks after the draw. Keep being fobbed off with ‘its being sorted’

I know its not much, but its the principle isnt it



That really is a fucking joke.

Dire.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, April 19, 2024, 16:15:31
I was listening to an old Loathed Strangers Pod where Sam Morshead was chatting to Clem (in about January I think) and he uses "look" like Gunning uses "listen". Similar traits.
...and Power would say 'like you say Shaun' about 95 times in an interview when Shaun hadn't actually said anything...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, April 19, 2024, 16:34:05
...and Power would say 'like you say Shaun' about 95 times in an interview when Shaun hadn't actually said anything...
Politicians use the same technique when they repeatedly say ‘the truth is’ when we all it is anything but.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, April 19, 2024, 16:38:33
For info, re the club lotto.

Won a prize last month & it was 25 days between supply of bank details to club & funds hitting the account.
No prompting but right on the cusp.
I'm probably more patient than most.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Friday, April 19, 2024, 17:09:32
For info, re the club lotto.

Won a prize last month & it was 25 days between supply of bank details to club & funds hitting the account.
No prompting but right on the cusp.
I'm probably more patient than most.




25 days? Thats nearly in time for the folllowing months draw isnt it?!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, April 19, 2024, 17:20:56
25 days? Thats nearly in time for the folllowing months draw isnt it?!

Draws are weekly, or supposed to be.

I wouldn't want to be a supplier, must be worse for them if it takes 3-4 weeks to get £50 together.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 19, 2024, 17:40:36
For info, re the club lotto.

Won a prize last month & it was 25 days between supply of bank details to club & funds hitting the account.
No prompting but right on the cusp.
I'm probably more patient than most.


Are you now a shareholder?  :D


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, April 20, 2024, 08:39:57
Draws are weekly, or supposed to be.

I wouldn't want to be a supplier, must be worse for them if it takes 3-4 weeks to get £50 together.


The one I know of ended in a court date and was eventually settled. Life long Town fans as well. Club is rotten.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 20, 2024, 08:57:39
The one I know of ended in a court date and was eventually settled. Life long Town fans as well. Club is rotten.

Havent even been paying the JV on time either have they


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, April 20, 2024, 14:01:37
For info, re the club lotto.

Won a prize last month & it was 25 days between supply of bank details to club & funds hitting the account.
No prompting but right on the cusp.
I'm probably more patient than most.




Out of interest what was the amount you won, are we talking a few hundred quid or more than that, just wondered on the sort of moneys they taking their time to pay ?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, April 20, 2024, 17:48:14
Havent even been paying the JV on time either have they

Which The Trust should be confirming.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, April 20, 2024, 18:02:55
Out of interest what was the amount you won, are we talking a few hundred quid or more than that, just wondered on the sort of moneys they taking their time to pay ?

£50.
There were a few other winners that week but total payout wouldn't have hit 4 figures.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 20, 2024, 20:27:09
In any case  if there are no jackpot winners (3 balls), 50% of the prize fund is split between the 2 ball winners
...
Swindon keep 70% of the money (which is the point of the lotto after all).

So it's not like the club can lose. All the prize money is self generated

https://www.stfclotto.co.uk/lotto-terms-conditions/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 09:48:41
The super sleuth now thinks Chris Wright (ex QPR and Wasps) has put a bid in to by the club


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 10:48:28
The super sleuth now thinks Chris Wright (ex QPR and Wasps) has put a bid in to by the club
That's the guy infamous Trust member Nick Coote was jokingly tweeting to asking him to buy the club before he upped and quit Twitter. Super sleuth surely can't have fallen for that.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 11:43:26
I have heard similar as well last week. Not sure how much truth in it but it wouldn't be the worse thing in the world, his wife is a Swindon fan by all accounts.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 12:23:55
Somethings going on. I’m sure of it. The only sticking point is the Standing v Power saga. Unless that has been quietly resolved.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 12:43:55
Would a 79 year old want the hassle of owning a lower league football club?
Could just be one cog in a larger 4 legged horsey loving mechanism?

Just guessing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 12:44:32
The super sleuth now thinks Chris Wright (ex QPR and Wasps) has put a bid in to by the club
Would he have been owner when we did the Gladwin/Luongo ‘deal’?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 12:51:06
Would he have been owner when we did the Gladwin/Luongo ‘deal’?

No, he owned QPR from 96-01


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 13:37:58
I've never heard of this bloke and have absolutely no clue about him whatsoever and I'm already praying to god, jesus, mary, joseph, moses, allah, muhammed, buddah, shiva and Superman that its true.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, April 21, 2024, 13:58:54
I've never heard of this bloke and have absolutely no clue about him whatsoever and I'm already praying to god, jesus, mary, joseph, moses, allah, muhammed, buddah, shiva and Superman that its true.

😅 please save us Jebus!!!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, April 22, 2024, 07:27:56
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24265035.swindon-town-submit-plans-fanzone-don-rogers-statue/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The council have said the plans are crap.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 22, 2024, 07:46:09
Is that a first sighting of the Don statue?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, April 22, 2024, 07:51:33
Apparently so

Bit odd they havent got planning before its being built? What happens if planning is refused?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 22, 2024, 07:59:02
The statue was commissioned ages ago without having a particular spot lined up for it, they'd look to site it somewhere else if refused. Perhaps up front where it might be more mobile than Charlie Austin fnar fnar.

Not the ideal way to do the reveal though


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Cookie on Monday, April 22, 2024, 07:59:19
Will this be the end of the county ground puddle? If so it should be added to the mural imo, with the Swiss Merc stranded in the middle.

The council's landscape bloke is not impressed with the plans. Losing green space amenity for a concentration camp vibe isn't going to be popular.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, April 22, 2024, 08:01:37
It seems a bit… meh. Fencing off an area and throwing up a timber cabin (for some reason) isn’t hugely inspiring.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, April 22, 2024, 08:04:26
I was told that they would be using shipping containers which would then be converted to pop up food outlets. There's a few places in Bristol which have similar however it's gone quiet....until now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 22, 2024, 08:20:10
Memories  ;D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-11842396


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob1978 on Monday, April 22, 2024, 08:28:24
The statue looks great - the other stuff is all a load of crap though and not really a fitting setting to the statue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 22, 2024, 08:42:52
It seems a bit… meh. Fencing off an area and throwing up a timber cabin (for some reason) isn’t hugely inspiring.

Is it a fan zone, or a free fan zone?!

In any case the planning issue isn't really the statue.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 22, 2024, 08:56:51
No, he owned QPR from 96-01

The hope for this week is that someone comes out with evidence that this might be real and a ray of light emerges.

It's that end of the scale, or the opposite with a Gunning appointment.

Morfuni is coming here for a reason, you would think.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 22, 2024, 09:25:12
He's coming to personally oversee the transfer window of course


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 22, 2024, 09:25:16

Morfuni is coming here for a reason, you would think.

To tell us he knows it’s been a bad season and understands the fans frustrations, everyone makes mistakes, the budget will be there next season, blah blah blah.

Rinse and repeat.

He’s here to try and shift season tickets is my guess, by promising the world and some fans will buy it.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, April 22, 2024, 09:34:09
Be some silly video again wont it.

Waste of time


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, April 22, 2024, 09:34:25
I expect to hear the word 'look' get used on multiple occasions...and we may get un update on the Merc parked on Lee Power's driveway somewhere in Switzerland... i.e it's still there...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Monday, April 22, 2024, 09:51:00
I expect to hear the word 'look' get used on multiple occasions...and we may get un update on the Merc parked on Lee Power's driveway somewhere in Switzerland... i.e it's still there...

Perhaps they are going to convert the mercedes into a childrens play area for the fanzone?

I have never heard of something to take so long to sort out. Was obvioulsy leased in the clubs name, so they are liable, just pay the fucking thing off


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 22, 2024, 10:17:41
To tell us he knows it’s been a bad season and understands the fans frustrations, everyone makes mistakes, the budget will be there next season, blah blah blah.

Rinse and repeat.

He’s here to try and shift season tickets is my guess, by promising the world and some fans will buy it.

I think myself, and many fans were hopeful last season when we appointed Flynn and Clem stated we'd have a 'competitive budget', via Rob Angus. But given what's happened this season both on and off the field surely the only people he has left are the people that won't hear a bad word about him, and the fans that would buy season tickets regardless. I suspect that number is going to be circa 3k, which means of course we can't possibly have a competitive budget and it becomes the fault of the fans not putting their hands in their pockets.

If it's true we're going to appoint Gunning and Shan, we don't even have a (it's all relative) decent managerial appointment to try and get behind. He's probably going to try and use the Fanzone/statue play as some kind of foundation that they are putting in the hard yards behind the scenes, but the fact of the matter is the plans have already been dismissed as half-hearted anyway by the council. (not sure they used those words mind)

I wait with baited breath what Clem and Anthony Hall have up their sleeves, I have a feeling it won't be anything positive. He probably thinks re-signing Ben Gladwin will get fans salivating. (i've made that up fwiw)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Monday, April 22, 2024, 10:31:49
Who knows, but the apathy from the owner/ceo is deafening right now.

We had a shit season last season, but on the last day of the season 10.5k people turned up to watch a nothing game against Crawley!

I hope people turn up in the same number on Sat and really make their feelings known, because it would seem to be the only time the fans can show Clem their feelings at all.





Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 22, 2024, 11:18:09

Not the ideal way to do the reveal though

Pretty fitting for the way the club is going at the moment though.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 22, 2024, 11:21:16
The big reveal of the statue does appear to have a noose around Don's neck.

If we agree that he represents much of the good in our club, is hardly ideal, but rather poetic.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 22, 2024, 11:21:56
It seems a bit… meh. Fencing off an area and throwing up a timber cabin (for some reason) isn’t hugely inspiring.

I'd genuinely rather the owners abandoned everything and all plans at this point.

Whatever they are going to do will be completely substandard, so lets kick the can down the road for a more capable ownership as new owners will just scrap whatever these jokers do anyway.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 22, 2024, 11:25:54
To tell us he knows it’s been a bad season and understands the fans frustrations, everyone makes mistakes, the budget will be there next season, blah blah blah.

Rinse and repeat.

He’s here to try and shift season tickets is my guess, by promising the world and some fans will buy it.

Its fucking painful just how dense some of our fans are. I was getting abuse for saying this a year or two ago but even I didn't imagine we'd be where we are now and Clem would still have a significant fan club.

Idiocy beyond belief.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 22, 2024, 11:37:47
Is it a fan zone, or a free fan zone?!

In any case the planning issue isn't really the statue.
Fan-free zone, I reckon!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 22, 2024, 12:45:18
Fan-free zone, I reckon!

Bit like the gigs this summer then I suspect. Wonder how many tickets they've sold. I reckon about 6/700 at best.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, April 22, 2024, 12:51:59
Bit like the gigs this summer then I suspect. Wonder how many tickets they've sold. I reckon about 6/700 at best.

3.5k as of 4th April.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/april/swindon-towns-two-day-music-concert-is-just-around-the-corner/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 22, 2024, 12:53:25
Bit like the gigs this summer then I suspect. Wonder how many tickets they've sold. I reckon about 6/700 at best.

FB events are of course not representative of ticket sales, but on there the Moyles event has 1k interested, 251 going and the tribute act day has 424 interested, 71 going. They've been pushing the former much harder, which makes me think there's a chance that one might sell enough to go ahead. I'd be shocked if the second one does.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 22, 2024, 12:59:32
3.5k as of 4th April.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/april/swindon-towns-two-day-music-concert-is-just-around-the-corner/

I wonder what the capacity of the concerts are. I assume that 3.5k figure is for both days, so (guessing) 2k on Saturday and 1.5k for the Sunday.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, April 22, 2024, 13:30:40
I wonder what the capacity of the concerts are. I assume that 3.5k figure is for both days, so (guessing) 2k on Saturday and 1.5k for the Sunday.

Difficult to say about capacity.
I'd imagine that they wouldn't use the stands (apart from VIP & hospitality maybe) to keep overheads down.
Could maybe fit 6-8k standing on the pitch bearing in mind safety cert etc.

The pricier Moyles thing looks to be selling better than the other one based on the buying options still available.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, April 22, 2024, 14:35:09
3.5k as of 4th April.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2024/april/swindon-towns-two-day-music-concert-is-just-around-the-corner/

That is surprising, but I assume that is combined rather than each day, so more like 2k max for either.

Still surprised its been that many though to be honest.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Anonymous77 on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:13:54
@mattstfc69 on twitter:

The club is fucked.
Club food for players has been pulled
Travel expenses pulled
Arkells ready to pull the plug
No kit sponsor
No kit manufacturer yet
Security not paid
Debt letters everywhere

This is from a former player who works in the club
#STFC



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:19:26
That sounds more like liquidation than sale to me, only loose potential positive is it might prompt the vultures to make themselves known


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:19:51
@mattstfc69 on twitter:

The club is fucked.
Club food for players has been pulled
Travel expenses pulled
Arkells ready to pull the plug
No kit sponsor
No kit manufacturer yet
Security not paid
Debt letters everywhere

This is from a former player who works in the club
#STFC

I can't prove things for or against this, but some random twitter account referencing an unnamed source doesn't really prove anything does it?

How many former players are there that work at the club? I can think of two off the top of my head. While they are likely to be aware of some of these things given their roles, i don't see that they would have a clue about Arkells ready to pull the plug as an example.

So while its easy to get angry about these things given the current climate, we need some evidence or proof.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:28:03
I thought we had puma for 1 more year. If we paid them I suppose


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:30:23
I thought we had puma for 1 more year. If we paid them I suppose
There's also the disagreement over the club shop sign, which if we are being unreasonable about Puma might think fuck this.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:33:08
I don't think the poster is a bullshitter. But I do think/hope he's been passed gossip as fact and just passed it on .

Wouldn't be surprised either way tbh.

At least I renewed on credit card


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:38:13
I thought we had puma for 1 more year. If we paid them I suppose
A 4-year deal was announced in summer 2021, so yes there should be another year.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:41:24
A 4-year deal was announced in summer 2021, so yes there should be another year.

I’d heard we were trying to get out of the contract, but would be the most Swindon thing if puma said fuck it, and we end up with nobody


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:41:43
Nothing to see here, just Twitter bullshit


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:42:59
A 4-year deal was announced in summer 2021, so yes there should be another year.

I would imagine there are clauses they can pull the plug if we dont pay them AGAIN


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:44:19
That sounds more like liquidation than sale to me, only loose potential positive is it might prompt the vultures to make themselves known

Its been widely reported, and Sam Morsehead mentions it in his most recent Ink article, that there have been multiple approaches by other parties interested in the club. Given that is the case, how can Clem liquidating STFC be remotely beneficial for him financially?

What doesn't tally for me is that it certainly seems Clem doesn't have the cash the run the club, the costs are being cut, and that we owe more and more people money, yet he's seemly not interested in selling the club or getting additional investment.



Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 11:45:18
What doesn't tally for me is that it certainly seems Clem doesn't have the cash the run the club, the costs are being cut, and that we owe more and more people money, yet he's seemly not interested in selling the club or getting additional investment.

This is the really thorny bit. He's clearly not interested in running the club, and doesn't seem to be interested in disposing of it either. That's the commonality with the fella at Reading, which obviously is a much more advanced situation.

Hopefully coming weeks will make things clearer.


Title: Re: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:03:43
I’d heard we were trying to get out of the contract, but would be the most Swindon thing if puma said fuck it, and we end up with nobody
Slazenger UP TO 80% OFF specials


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:07:36
This is the really thorny bit. He's clearly not interested in running the club, and doesn't seem to be interested in disposing of it either. That's the commonality with the fella at Reading, which obviously is a much more advanced situation.

Hopefully coming weeks will make things clearer.

Exactly, and it’s this that fuels the suggestion that there is shady stuff going on, that gives Morfuni and co a reason to hang onto the club. Each day they own it, any fee they get for it drops. The longer he holds onto it, the lower the chance that someone is prepared to buy it. And every day he owns it, the club corrodes, and we lose ground on the many, many clubs with more competent and caring owners.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:18:17
Lets pretend something dodgy is going on. And nobody has any evidence of that - that's factual not for effect.

Do they have to make money on a business to do it. e.g. money laundering, sacrifice profit in the accounts for the "clean"?

Now I bloody hope that this is a theoretical question!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:25:15
Its been widely reported, and Sam Morsehead mentions it in his most recent Ink article, that there have been multiple approaches by other parties interested in the club. Given that is the case, how can Clem liquidating STFC be remotely beneficial for him financially?

What doesn't tally for me is that it certainly seems Clem doesn't have the cash the run the club, the costs are being cut, and that we owe more and more people money, yet he's seemly not interested in selling the club or getting additional investment.



Agree completely, and if Clem didn't have a history of liquidating other businesses I would concur..  but given that this is not his first rodeo with this type of action with his former businesses, it can't not at least hold a finger over the alarm button.

As has been stated before, people do make money out of liquidatiing businesses, not that i am anywhere near smart enough (or dishonest enough) to understand how.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:38:55
Well, Philip Green made money out of liquidating BHS.

And who was his solicitor in that deal? Bit too close to home.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:43:58
all the debt letters are not everywhere, they are all in the bin


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:45:05
@mattstfc69 on twitter:

The club is fucked.
Club food for players has been pulled
Travel expenses pulled
Arkells ready to pull the plug
No kit sponsor
No kit manufacturer yet
Security not paid

This is from a former player who works in the club
#STFC

This appears to have been deleted.




Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 12:47:07
Well, Philip Green made money out of liquidating BHS.

And who was his solicitor in that deal? Bit too close to home.

Well yes, but he has since won a Trust Hero award.

More pertinently, BHS had some assets to strip!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 13:14:29
I would imagine there are clauses they can pull the plug if we dont pay them AGAIN

'Legacy issues' are Clems legacy now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 13:16:53
Its been widely reported, and Sam Morsehead mentions it in his most recent Ink article, that there have been multiple approaches by other parties interested in the club. Given that is the case, how can Clem liquidating STFC be remotely beneficial for him financially?

What doesn't tally for me is that it certainly seems Clem doesn't have the cash the run the club, the costs are being cut, and that we owe more and more people money, yet he's seemly not interested in selling the club or getting additional investment.



I very much doubt the money put in his his money. Its probably MTK cocaine money being washed who are then getting their strength and conditioning fees back.

Still either way, I doubt he'd want to liquidate and must think he can get a better offer if he's holding out for more.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 13:20:55
This is the really thorny bit. He's clearly not interested in running the club, and doesn't seem to be interested in disposing of it either. That's the commonality with the fella at Reading, which obviously is a much more advanced situation.

Hopefully coming weeks will make things clearer.

Probably not allowed to if the disorganised crime gang are getting their cut of revenue. They need settling up if he was to sell and probably can't afford to or they simply don't want the scheme to finish.

Especially as people with links to Hart are already being investigated for money laundering in boxing.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 13:25:38
Lets pretend something dodgy is going on. And nobody has any evidence of that - that's factual not for effect.

Do they have to make money on a business to do it. e.g. money laundering, sacrifice profit in the accounts for the "clean"?

Now I bloody hope that this is a theoretical question!

I mean ideally the business would make money, but its not essential for it to work.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 13:56:29
There are ways to make money without making a profit, some not so clean.  There is also the ground, which is now an asset with a partial freehold and long term lease.  Even just getting a planning permission could increase that as well.

Clem has shown he is more than OK with putting a business into liquidation and hiding from creditors - we have his word for it and some numbers in the accounts that it is "his" money.  However, we can already see the short term debt increasing rapidly, so a lot of the funding gap is being met by paying late or not at all.  We already have another creditor suggesting he moved money around to avoid paying them.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 14:10:16
‪I’d say based on evidence at hand and the complete lack of communication from the club and Morfuni which includes next to no promotion of season tickets then it’s more likely true than not.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole future of the club is dependent on selling a few of the youngsters to maintain any kind of cash flow over the summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 14:16:22
We're well overdue more Advisory Board minutes, for what it's worth.

February ones published 15th March, January ones published 6th Feb. Never been published later than the 16th of a month...


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 15:52:54
WHSmith have repossessed the AB group's notepad


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 16:26:20
@mattstfc69 on twitter:



This is from a former player who works in the club
#STFC



The club is fucked.
Yes, we know that.
Club food for players has been pulled
Of course is has, after next week there won’t be any players to feed… happens every year at this time.
Travel expenses pulled
See players food
Arkells ready to pull the plug
See players food and travel expenses (got no fans till August)
No kit sponsor
TBC
No kit manufacturer yet
See above
Security not paid
No change there
Debt letters everywhere
Read, invoices everywhere. No surprise

Nothing to see, move along.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 17:10:10
Ah that’s ok then, I can sleep well knowing that everything is rosey again.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 23, 2024, 18:26:22
Ah that’s ok then, I can sleep well knowing that everything is rosey again.

Knowing that about your mental state, so will I. If the shit is going to hit any fans between now and August then at least you and I can sleep through it. Seriously though, there is fuck all we can effect either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 05:31:49
I see the lad has deleted the tweet. Those type of tweets end up playing into the clubs hand at times unfortunately. There will be people who will not believe the when stuff does go wrong because the amount of misinformation that gets put out there 😔

If I were Sam M or the carver I’d be aprroacjinh the Security firm and Arkells to see if it’s true


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 05:49:27
If the bit about Arkells pulling their sponsorship is true, for me that's a little concerning. How long have they sponsored that stand? It's pretty much always been the Arkells stand for as long as I can remember.

I wouldn't be surprised if a number of companies aren't happy with the amount of 'shady' characters involved in the club. Oh and us being absolutely shit probably doesn't help.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 08:16:57
Looking at the closing games across the leagues reminded me of some of the clubs we use to duel with across the years and where they are now compared to us.

Brighton
Leicester
Brentford
Millwall
Bournemouth
Plymouth

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Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 08:22:27
I think we've played every team from 10th down in the Premier League bar Everton, Burnley and Crystal Palace in the league within the last 15 years or so. Plus Leicester, Leeds, Ipswich and Southampton from the top of the Championship.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 09:40:51
Yep, I was thinking more about play offs etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 10:21:34
If the bit about Arkells pulling their sponsorship is true, for me that's a little concerning. How long have they sponsored that stand? It's pretty much always been the Arkells stand for as long as I can remember.

I wouldn't be surprised if a number of companies aren't happy with the amount of 'shady' characters involved in the club. Oh and us being absolutely shit probably doesn't help.
That's the thing isn't it. None of us know, surely a quick call from the media answers it


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 10:27:33
There are a few things on the sponsorship thing. I have been told of a number of sponsors that wont be renewing, however I have also heard the club haven't actually reached out to many people about renewing in the first place.

As a business regardless of the people in the background, would you want your brand associated with the downward spiral of the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 11:12:52
After 50+ years supporting STFC I’ve finally had enough - something I would never have contemplated only a few months ago. I have zero enthusiasm and I’m sad to say, I no longer care much.

Never, ever thought that could happen.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 11:25:13
So you renewing then ? 😁

Honestly Aud things can change and I hope you come back when/if they do


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 11:27:02
Change or no Audrey.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 11:31:28
After 50+ years supporting STFC I’ve finally had enough - something I would never have contemplated only a few months ago. I have zero enthusiasm and I’m sad to say, I no longer care much.

Never, ever thought that could happen.
In exactly the same position Aud, 50+ years and never in my life thought this would ever happen.
Just lost all enthusiasm in the last two or three years, really only turn up because I have a season ticket and it gives me a day out with the lads.  Could still come to Swindon just for a few beers and then fuck off home I suppose.
Still undecided with the season ticket,  no pleasure in turning up but think I would miss the day out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 11:42:37
Fucking lightweights  :). I pay full price too, not being a season ticket holder. I'll be there Saturday. I'm going to see what the club position is during the summer to decide if I'll come back.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 12:18:11
After 50+ years supporting STFC I’ve finally had enough - something I would never have contemplated only a few months ago. I have zero enthusiasm and I’m sad to say, I no longer care much.

Never, ever thought that could happen.

I still care, but just as when McMoan sold Fjortoft (for half price) & didn’t replace him, appointing Gunning feels like it’s us accepting relegation as inevitable.

For that reason I will be out.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 12:30:40
I still care, but just as when McMoan sold Fjortoft (for half price) & didn’t replace him, appointing Gunning feels like it’s us accepting relegation as inevitable.

For that reason I will be out.

I don't think anyone would question your commitment and breaking point, but had you down as a diehard and so its very sad and concerning its come to this.

You won't be alone. Gawd knows how many casual ST holders we'll lose if the stalwarts are broken.

Buggered If I'd travel from Posh every game right now - hope you make a few.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 12:44:52
I don't think anyone would question your commitment and breaking point, but had you down as a diehard and so its very sad and concerning its come to this.

You won't be alone. Gawd knows how many casual ST holders we'll lose if the stalwarts are broken.

Buggered If I'd travel from Posh every game right now - hope you make a few.

We’re trying to sell up & move back to Wiltshire, if we do I will probably still go to the odd game, will possibly get a ST again if they show some kind of ambition.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:24:54
 Could still come to Swindon just for a few beers and then fuck off home I suppose.
Still undecided with the season ticket,  no pleasure in turning up but think I would miss the day out.

I know quite a few people that head out on a Saturday home game day as normal and just stay down the pub. Done it myself a couple of times as well. Only a lot of the people you'd bump in to before aren't bothering at all now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:26:39
I don't think anyone would question your commitment and breaking point, but had you down as a diehard and so its very sad and concerning its come to this.

You won't be alone. Gawd knows how many casual ST holders we'll lose if the stalwarts are broken.

Buggered If I'd travel from Posh every game right now - hope you make a few.

A lot of the people packing it in are the most die hard. Its just gotta take either completely living under a rock or being that utterly clueless for most people renewing now.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:27:14
We’re trying to sell up & move back to Wiltshire, if we do I will probably still go to the odd game, will possibly get a ST again if they show some kind of ambition.

Always a half season ticket if we're still not stuck in purgatory come Christmas.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CMT82 on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:36:47
The silence at the moment says it all. Hopefully there is some big announcement around the corner (sale?!) with a credible solution. Even had someone call me this morning to tell me the club has gone to the wall, but there's just nothing emerging from any sort of leadership - which has been a big issue all along. People running the club have to have to be present and hands on. Look at the Ray Hardman interview from a few weeks' back from TSTBL, and even in the dark days of early 2000s - most of the CEOs were generally readily available and out there to speak to the media. Swindon has so much potential with a brilliant fanbase, but as a fan of over 30 years, it just feels like it's being kicked about in the dust.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:46:24
I'd love to hear an interview from Rob Angus. Not that he'd probably be allowed to say anything but bet he's got a lot of stories about things that have gone on.

LSPOD should try and get him on


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:47:11
Gunning now in the adver saying why he thinks he deserves the job.

Fuck off.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:49:06
The silence at the moment says it all. Hopefully there is some big announcement around the corner (sale?!) with a credible solution. Even had someone call me this morning to tell me the club has gone into admin - not true (from what I can see), but there's just nothing emerging from any sort of leadership - which has been a big issue all along. People running the club have to have to be present and hands on. Look at the Ray Hardman interview from a few weeks' back from TSTBL, and even in the dark days of early 2000s - most of the CEOs were generally readily available and out there to speak to the media. Swindon has so much potential with a brilliant fanbase, but as a fan of over 30 years, it just feels like it's being kicked about in the dust.

Episode with Ray Hardman? I must have missed this, cant find it?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:54:58
Someone remind me, is there a severe implication of going into admin (beyond the obvious fact we are in Admin), because of the number of times its happened to the club before?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 13:55:48
I think the 3 strike thing was a myth


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: iParadise on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 14:05:04
I'd love to hear an interview from Rob Angus. Not that he'd probably be allowed to say anything but bet he's got a lot of stories about things that have gone on.

LSPOD should try and get him on

I second this. Make it happen Rich.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: CMT82 on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 14:25:47
Episode with Ray Hardman? I must have missed this, cant find it?

Just a clip from back in the day...

https://x.com/T_STBL/status/1779516606156034174


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 14:26:37
The idea of people investing in loss making lower league clubs is often scoffed at, why would they be interested in us?

https://www.weareimps.com/siteassets/club/2024-policies/lcfc.accounts.website.2023-compressed.pdf

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/lincoln-news/lincoln-city-secure-significant-investment-9244151

The club is losing about 2m a year, operating a league above us (so higher wages) and around our current average attendance.  Longer term you would expect us to be a bigger prospect, but they are a good guide for now.  interestingly, they are funding losses through equity investments, have minimal short and long term debts as a result, and have invested in infrastructure.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 14:31:45
Just a clip from back in the day...

https://x.com/T_STBL/status/1779516606156034174

Oh from the old documentary

The bloke moaning next to football phil got done for kiddy fiddling i think


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 15:44:13
I think the 3 strike thing was a myth

I thought that it was time limited, (i.e 3 times in 10 years), but that we were now outside of that.

Either way, I don't think that it applies, however the points deduction that goes with it would still apply, and may be worse as we are under other suspended punishments


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:03:20
Oh from the old documentary

The bloke moaning next to football phil got done for kiddy fiddling i think

Which one? The one doing the talking or the one in red?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:05:12
I thought that it was time limited, (i.e 3 times in 10 years), but that we were now outside of that.

Either way, I don't think that it applies, however the points deduction that goes with it would still apply, and may be worse as we are under other suspended punishments

Yeah we probably won't get kicked out of the league, but the repercussions might send us down either way.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:12:39
Which one? The one doing the talking or the one in red?

The one in the mickey mouse top

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17798282.paedophile-coach-ron-webb-stole-swindon-stars-taste-football-court-hears/


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:14:19
Which one? The one doing the talking or the one in red?
The one is red is football Phil isnt it?

The bloke at the back in grey bored me for 15 mins in the last away game we had at Coventry, telling everyone we were taking 10,000 fans there that day, to anyone that listened to him, I think we took 3,000 in the end.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:16:43
The one is red is football Phil isnt it?

The bloke at the back in grey bored me for 15 mins in the last away game we had at Coventry, telling everyone we were taking 10,000 fans there that day, to anyone that listened to him, I think we took 3,000 in the end.

The one in grey is football phil


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:20:10
The one in grey is football phil
Ah right i remember them all for boring me in all kind of way down the years.

The one on the left in grey used to go to every game home and away with his mum, i even saw him at reserve away games in Yeovil, Exeter and Weymouth following Town (my 3 local games for the stiffs when they had a league).


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:24:33
Ah right i remember them all for boring me in all kind of way down the years.

The one on the left in grey used to go to every game home and away with his mum, i even saw him at reserve away games in Yeovil, Exeter and Weymouth following Town (my 3 local games for the stiffs when they had a league).

He was at Banbury United the other week soapy tit wank


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 16:57:24
Not sure how true this is at all but had someone message me yesterday saying that as of last week we had sold 291 season tickets


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 17:20:19
The one in the mickey mouse top

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17798282.paedophile-coach-ron-webb-stole-swindon-stars-taste-football-court-hears/

Fucking hell. I actually recognise him from being around games a lot when I went as a nipper.

Dirty bastard. I wonder if he is still alive or out yet. Tough life being in your late 70s doing time behind bars as a nonce.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 17:24:40
Not sure how true this is at all but had someone message me yesterday saying that as of last week we had sold 291 season tickets

 :girlgiggle: How reliable is this source likely to be?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 17:27:37
Not sure how true this is at all but had someone message me yesterday saying that as of last week we had sold 291 season tickets
If true that would be absolutely spectacular and show that those constantly defending the Morfuni mob really are in the minority now.

Can’t see how they’d get through the summer with so little by way of cash flow so hopefully brings things to a head once and for all!


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 17:48:10
Someone remind me, is there a severe implication of going into admin (beyond the obvious fact we are in Admin), because of the number of times its happened to the club before?

Not my area of expertise but wouldn’t we need to actually owe external people / companies money to be put into admin.

The easy work around is ‘director loans’ so the club don’t owe companies money (used to be HMRC who kicked up I think)

So, taking some things as said (yeah I know) in theory the only person the football club owes money to is Clem - who I’d say is unlikely to put the club into admin because he’d lose out financially







Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:04:25
Well the club does have external debts still, just not as many as before.

What it does have is cashflow issues, which is more often than not the problem.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:35:10
Not my area of expertise but wouldn’t we need to actually owe external people / companies money to be put into admin.

The easy work around is ‘director loans’ so the club don’t owe companies money (used to be HMRC who kicked up I think)

So, taking some things as said (yeah I know) in theory the only person the football club owes money to is Clem - who I’d say is unlikely to put the club into admin because he’d lose out financially






The Directors loans didn't grow, in fact they likely reduced because the long term debt to Axis did grow, by a greater amount than the long term debt in total.

The amounts we owe to trade creditors almost doubled, these are amounts due in <12 months and the type of people who would end-up submitting winding-up orders.  Our total short term debt increased from 2.98m to 3.48m.  That was to end of May 2023, so it won't have gotten much better since then I assume.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 18:54:29
If true that would be absolutely spectacular and show that those constantly defending the Morfuni mob really are in the minority now.

Can’t see how they’d get through the summer with so little by way of cash flow so hopefully brings things to a head once and for all!

This. Maybe it will force his hand into a sale.

Does seem odd that there has been zero effort put into selling season tickets surely if it was BAU he would be driving his lorry around by now


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 19:37:55
But conversely, if it was a sale it should be bau as without it debts will pile up on the business and devalue it? Or is that naive


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 22:35:02
These people really need to start going public with this


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 22:49:08
Spoke to the supplier of the CCTV and alarms today, hang about, surprise, surprise, they've had no payment since the summer. No longer monitoring any sort of security issue.
Surely if true then it’s again an example of the Trust being asleep at the wheel. They’ve basically got an asset with no security which would surely be a breach of the JV agreement? Can our resident Trust board members confirm if they are aware of this?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 22:57:38
This sort of thing should be reported on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 24, 2024, 23:04:03
It would also likely invalidate the insurance of the CG as well which is surely an explicit requirement in the JV lease?


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 08:19:00
Trying to find out more details of exactly what they provide and who they are etc, as was a chance conversation when playing bowls! Can only take the info on face value, and can't see why someone would bullshit on that, of course it depends on what they actually supply to the club and the extent to which they're involved with coverage etc.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 09:52:50
I don't subscribe to where there is smoke there is always fire.....but there is a fucking lot of smoke about at the moment.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 11:08:52
Surely if true then it’s again an example of the Trust being asleep at the wheel. They’ve basically got an asset with no security which would surely be a breach of the JV agreement? Can our resident Trust board members confirm if they are aware of this?


Where’s the duty of care to all supporters inside the stadium if the CCTV isn’t active.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 11:32:50
I see the non working CCTV wasn’t mentioned when that lady noticed one in her lav last week.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: dogs on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:39:57

Where’s the duty of care to all supporters inside the stadium if the CCTV isn’t active.

Can't see it being like that as you can see the operators on a matchday but more if there's a security issue on non matchdays ie an alarm goes off and no-one responds, or whether the day to day cameras are actually working or being maintained.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:56:27
I'd imagine that the matchday control room at corner of Town End & DRS is still manned by or has a plod presence?

CCTV is mentioned in EFL ground regs & copy and pasted into the CG ground regs as well.
No explicit mention that it has to be in working order but the inference is that it should be.

If it's not operational on non matchdays then now is the time for OFUC OUFC to be scrawled on the pitch.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:56:41
Yeah, makes sense. No matchday surveillance would presumably invalidate the safety cirtificate


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 12:59:09
Pretty sure the cameras are working in the Arkells, some people were told not to mess around near the  away end concourse, I'm sure the steward said they were seen on the camera. I may have misheard.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 13:03:14

Where’s the duty of care to all supporters inside the stadium if the CCTV isn’t active.

Maybe that's what they meant about the ones creeping in to the womens toilets.

"Yeah they used to work, but we've not paid the bill in months, so don't worry about it"


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 13:06:22
Alarms and CCTV not being monitored is a different thing to them not being available and working.  It sounds to me like the monitor, response and maintenance contract has been put on hold due to non payment rather than the actual functionality of the CCTV and Alarm.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 13:14:27
So working & monitored live on matchday.
Still working but no monitoring or maybe cloud storage outside of that.

Like buying an ADT alarm solution with bells & whistles and then not renewing after a year or two.

It's bottom of the barrel scraping stuff & then some as far cost savings go.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 14:22:36
We'll be getting shiny bog roll next  :)


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 14:25:40
Izal medicated!

Bring it on.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 15:00:57
If there is any truth to the rumour on purchased season tickets and we're down at the bottom of the table, I could genuinely see games being like Wimbledon FCs dying days before the move to MK next season.

Whole blocks empty and blokes with cardboard cut outs.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 15:06:50
The lack of commercial drive at the moment along with the rumours of cost cutting does make me think things will come to a head this summer.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 17:05:02
My main concern with this 4D is who are we selling to in this case as Sam Morshead has mentioned that he knows 2 parties who have expressed interest and not even had a response.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 17:16:47
 who ever buys the club I cant help thinking that history will repeat itself again, and again


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 17:58:41
They'll try to sell the gravy train within the ownership group and keep on fleecing the club.


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: RJack on Thursday, April 25, 2024, 18:21:14
They'll try to sell the gravy train within the ownership group and keep on fleecing the club.
Yep, can see the return of Jed Mcrory on the horizon


Title: Re: New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 26, 2024, 17:52:15
Sam M

"There's been some speculation about Arkell's' sponsorship of Swindon Town this week.   

Understand the company remain committed to their association with the club.   

#stfc"