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« Reply #16740 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 08:52:30 »

Just possibly every poster here is simply given Morfuni far to much credit.
Just perhaps he is a simpleton and bull shitter.

A definite possibility. But I'd feel much more certain of this if the former crooks and, separately, the shareholding wives of people associated with the club didn't hang around in the shadows.

Does it mean 100% things  aren't as straightforward as they seem - no.
On the balance of probablity - to *my* mind yes. That's not saying criminality btw.
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« Reply #16741 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 08:53:54 »

Well, the accounts are due by the end of this week, the full, clear and transparent breakdown should give us some ideas  Cheesy

Do we think it'll take a WUO before they are filed? Place your bets on this "well run" club. They aren't going to show on CH for a month or so either way.
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« Reply #16742 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 11:30:59 »

That Neil Ball bloke now floating the idea of a statue for Clem Morfuni.

Piss off.
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« Reply #16743 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 11:55:57 »

I think we are talking at cross purposes here, I'm making the point that if STFC goes into Admin it will be Clem the main loser - regardless if its Axis or himself, as he is owed £8m.  

I don't feel like what you described above is going on, as he is the main creditor.  In your experience, I can see the clearly why it's been done, to take peoples money.

FWIW for whatever reason he seems to have royally fucked things up.

He got the club for a song after Power (or more accurately I suggest Power's Lawyers/accountants) fuck up or missed the pre-emption rights in the AoA, hence their later removal), now possibly pretty much after the legals confirming he had acted correctly were signed off in the courts would have been the best time to get out as he had got the club for less than it was potentially worth, but he chose not to for whatever reason be it the ego of owning a club, £ signs in front of his eyes, sheer fuckwittedness?

He then hung around until the ground purchase was finalised (possibly because he had some great ideas about the assets worth or the whole contracting potential (which is still think is a massive red herring considering the state of the UK contracting business where no one is making cash and everyone going bust, let alone a two bit small services contractor, combined with the fact that his UK businesses were going tits up simultaneously!).

Now I suspect that as part of this someone be it the Council or the Eady Trust noticed the debentures hanging over the club and sounded alarm bells that they were not prepared to basically give cash to the club (which at that stage was pretty much asset free and possibly remains similar TBH considering they can't scratch their arse re the Ground without a community groups agreement) facilitating them getting an asset which the debenture holders could then claim against when they called in the debentures, hence the sudden panic to raise the cash from his lawyer (unless, as I suspect lawyer is acting in trust for AN Other) and a long standing associate to buy them out, a short term decision which seems to have ultimately led to the public collapse of the whole shooting match.

So as it stands the business is allegedly skint, spaffing money up the wall like a teenage in a peep show and is in the process of losing its main customers, so essentially worth the square root of fuck all to anyone with a modicum of business sense, so how does he go forward.

As it essentially owes a fortune to Morfuni admin isn't really an option, even a pre-pack would include kicking himself squarely in the balls, plus there are god knows who else lurking in the background (the whole nonsense with Austin suggests that in this sphere any shenanigans would not be sorted in a court room), so its a sale of something that is worth feck all.

No one with an ounce of business sense is gonna buy without during due diligence (and no self respecting lawyer/accountant would I imagine put their PI on the line to suggest good health to a prospective purchaser) and I suspect the club would run a mile if anyone asked to, hence all the posturing about not even entertaining bids until proof of funds is proven, smokes it all out without doing a thing.

So we are looking at a risk taker, so either one with cash like Mike Ashley or one without the benefit of a pot to piss in  (neither of whom are going to remotely pay him a fraction of what he claims it owes him) so a rinse and repeat of January February 2013, Jesus was that really only 12 years ago!

Unless he has a bloody great big cat hidden in a bag somewhere, I think the ship making him cash out of Swindon Town has royally sailed and probably did c. 2 year ago at best, I would suspect that we are, at best, now neck deep into keeping ones head above water and hoping something unexpected turns up territory.

Edit - I should possibly add that the above is all based upon pure speculation, albeit informed by working for several businesses over the years that started out with clever ideas, got lucky, then fucked it up and staggered on until their inevitable death....
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« Reply #16744 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 12:00:19 »

Wholly speculative, pure conspiracy here but... you get the feeling that, being in the construction racket that things might kick on after Covid. You can't see any evidence of successful AXIS projects post 2021. Is it possible the hobby/side hustle has become his only retirement plan?
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« Reply #16745 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 13:13:30 »

FWIW for whatever reason he seems to have royally fucked things up.

He got the club for a song after Power (or more accurately I suggest Power's Lawyers/accountants) fuck up or missed the pre-emption rights in the AoA, hence their later removal), now possibly pretty much after the legals confirming he had acted correctly were signed off in the courts would have been the best time to get out as he had got the club for less than it was potentially worth, but he chose not to for whatever reason be it the ego of owning a club, £ signs in front of his eyes, sheer fuckwittedness?

He then hung around until the ground purchase was finalised (possibly because he had some great ideas about the assets worth or the whole contracting potential (which is still think is a massive red herring considering the state of the UK contracting business where no one is making cash and everyone going bust, let alone a two bit small services contractor, combined with the fact that his UK businesses were going tits up simultaneously!).

Now I suspect that as part of this someone be it the Council or the Eady Trust noticed the debentures hanging over the club and sounded alarm bells that they were not prepared to basically give cash to the club (which at that stage was pretty much asset free and possibly remains similar TBH considering they can't scratch their arse re the Ground without a community groups agreement) facilitating them getting an asset which the debenture holders could then claim against when they called in the debentures, hence the sudden panic to raise the cash from his lawyer (unless, as I suspect lawyer is acting in trust for AN Other) and a long standing associate to buy them out, a short term decision which seems to have ultimately led to the public collapse of the whole shooting match.

So as it stands the business is allegedly skint, spaffing money up the wall like a teenage in a peep show and is in the process of losing its main customers, so essentially worth the square root of fuck all to anyone with a modicum of business sense, so how does he go forward.

As it essentially owes a fortune to Morfuni admin isn't really an option, even a pre-pack would include kicking himself squarely in the balls, plus there are god knows who else lurking in the background (the whole nonsense with Austin suggests that in this sphere any shenanigans would not be sorted in a court room), so its a sale of something that is worth feck all.

No one with an ounce of business sense is gonna buy without during due diligence (and no self respecting lawyer/accountant would I imagine put their PI on the line to suggest good health to a prospective purchaser) and I suspect the club would run a mile if anyone asked to, hence all the posturing about not even entertaining bids until proof of funds is proven, smokes it all out without doing a thing.

So we are looking at a risk taker, so either one with cash like Mike Ashley or one without the benefit of a pot to piss in  (neither of whom are going to remotely pay him a fraction of what he claims it owes him) so a rinse and repeat of January February 2013, Jesus was that really only 12 years ago!

Unless he has a bloody great big cat hidden in a bag somewhere, I think the ship making him cash out of Swindon Town has royally sailed and probably did c. 2 year ago at best, I would suspect that we are, at best, now neck deep into keeping ones head above water and hoping something unexpected turns up territory.

Edit - I should possibly add that the above is all based upon pure speculation, albeit informed by working for several businesses over the years that started out with clever ideas, got lucky, then fucked it up and staggered on until their inevitable death....

Very good post.
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« Reply #16746 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 13:14:28 »

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« Reply #16747 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 13:42:03 »

But he’s bought the club for £212,500. A club which is valued at circa £7m. There’s no way he’s put £7m in so even a sale at its market value would realise a profit.

Obviously that’s a bit simplistic as we don’t know who is owed what and how much of that £7m would end up in Clem’s spotty bag once it’s been divvied up. 

We don’t know on what terms the ‘lady’s’ £2m was borrowed. Then there’s Standing still lurking.
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« Reply #16748 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 13:58:15 »

But he’s bought the club for £212,500. A club which is valued at circa £7m. There’s no way he’s put £7m in so even a sale at its market value would realise a profit.

Obviously that’s a bit simplistic as we don’t know who is owed what and how much of that £7m would end up in Clem’s spotty bag once it’s been divvied up. 

We don’t know on what terms the ‘lady’s’ £2m was borrowed. Then there’s Standing still lurking.

Herewith lies the problem, in short no one has a fecking clue, I suspect possibly 90+% of what has been written out the clubs finances/Morfuni's intentions/other owners/nefarious actions etc etc over the last couple of years is based upon pure speculation and little more than that.

P.S wasn't it suggested he was valuing it at more like £12m?
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« Reply #16749 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 14:03:04 »

Not sure if he’s actually valued it - more likely £12m is a ‘wanted’ figure. Or a ‘keep away from prying eyes’ figure.
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« Reply #16750 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 14:06:47 »

Not sure if he’s actually valued it - more likely £12m is a ‘wanted’ figure. Or a ‘keep away from prying eyes’ figure.


Don't the earlier posts, which rarely for this whole sorry saga do have some evidential base being taken from documents lodged at CH, suggest that STFC Ltd owe AFI Ltd (possibly via Seebeck/Swinton) c.£8m to start with, plus however many £M's were borrowed from wherever to settle the debentures?
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« Reply #16751 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 14:17:21 »

Surely the debenture money is included in that figure

How Morfuni got it is his business*. He then put it in the club and put it on the loans sheet?


* Financially
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« Reply #16752 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 14:27:54 »

I'm afraid this is just wrong, Clem is the owner of Axis football and has pumped money in (where ever it has come from).  If STFC and then Axis football goes into admin then he loses money, the other sources can still claim from the main Axis company (which is where the legal case is, I think).

Clem loans STFC £8m.
Clem sells the loan to Axis for £8m, Clem takes £8m from Axis  so is personally not out of pocket
The money in Axis comes from third party companies (not owned by Clem).
Axis put into administration & pays third party companies a penny in the pound.

Clem has his £8m, the club have naff all, and the third party companies (the ones that can see this coming & are already chasing Clem through the courts) are most of £8m out of pocket.

Do I know this as a fact, Nope
Do I fear that this is what he's doing, Damn Right
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« Reply #16753 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 14:48:05 »

Surely the debenture money is included in that figure

How Morfuni got it is his business*. He then put it in the club and put it on the loans sheet?


* Financially

I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier answer.... who fecking knows, its why so much of the discussions of the last 18-24 months have been pretty much futile as they are based upon trying to establish facts from little to no primary evidence.

FWIW didn't the loans to pay off the debentures lead to directorships of one of the companies, which one was it?

Edit - Had a quick look and no directorships are registered but Morfuni flogged off 22.1% of Swinton Reds for £2.9m which if it were repeated today (by my back of fag packet) would value SR (and thus essentially the club) in the region of £13.8m??
Ch suggests that Murfuni owns 77.8%, Kiely 17.1% and Paladorio 5%
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« Reply #16754 on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025, 15:40:48 »

Axis Football Investments Ltd have a notice of compulsory strike off listed today.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11097652/filing-history

I'll be honest, I have no idea what this means.

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