New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[Batch]

Welcome back, Dean

[Bob's Orange]

Unfortunately, Clem is now in a no win situation regarding the books.

We all know the outcome of this, whatever the findings by the Trust, Clem will be a liar.

The only opportunity he has is to support MF with new players. No other options are available.

*All that money will have gone on the Outlay to book the bands and accommodation for the concert.














*I've made that up, not a dicky if that's the case

[tans]

Has to be said, the Trusts PR regarding the accounts this has been a shambles.

Even just a simple ‘we have received the accounts and are working through them’ wouldnt go amiss and im sure would alleviate fans concerns a little.

[Peter Venkman]

Has to be said, the Trusts PR regarding the accounts this has been a shambles.

Even just a simple ‘we have received the accounts and are working through them’ wouldnt go amiss and im sure would alleviate fans concerns a little.

This.

[Nemo]

Has to be said, the Trusts PR regarding the accounts this has been a shambles.

Even just a simple ‘we have received the accounts and are working through them’ wouldnt go amiss and im sure would alleviate fans concerns a little.

The Trust's PR full stop has been a shambles for quite a long time now. I have a lot of sympathy for them as volunteers who were geared up for a positive relationship with an upwardly mobile club and have now found themselves as a focal point for fan frustration and a deteriorating relationship with the owners, but they're not exactly keeping members in the loop on anything, apart from a statue which at this point looks rather like a deckchair on the Titanic.

[Mooneyraker]

The Trust's PR full stop has been a shambles for quite a long time now. I have a lot of sympathy for them as volunteers who were geared up for a positive relationship with an upwardly mobile club and have now found themselves as a focal point for fan frustration and a deteriorating relationship with the owners, but they're not exactly keeping members in the loop on anything, apart from a statue which at this point looks rather like a deckchair on the Titanic.

Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?

Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?

Certain people there railroaded Clem's takeover and silenced dissenting voices.

We are told that the ground purchase is a good thing. I think we are yet to see how the ownership structure affects the likelihood of a potential takeover.

Never forget: "We know who you are." From a Supporters' Trust?! Disgraceful stuff.

They avoid all questions on social media.

Wholesale changes needed at the Trust ASAP.

("WhY DOnt YoU volUNteeR if YoU CARe so MuCH?")

[Nemo]

Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They did, but I think it's fair to say the job they volunteered *for* looked very different 10 months ago when they last stood for re-election - at that point it was finishing the sale of the CG and supporting an upwardly mobile club. In the same way that many of us as fans have less interest when we're doing poorly and things feel a bit grim off the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them - not all - feel the same. We'll see who sticks around come the next AGM I guess.

And I think it's pretty likely that there is some internal conflict within the Trust (not itk, I don't speak to any board members regularly) about how hard to go on these things, and when there isn't consensus in the board it can be very difficult to do anything with that sort of organisation.

I'm not saying that I don't largely agree that some of the Trust board members need to take a long look in the mirror, but I understand why they're not the campaigning force that we might like. Certainly I imagine the next AGM could be a bit more interesting than previous ones.

[Mooneyraker]

They did, but I think it's fair to say the job they volunteered *for* looked very different 10 months ago when they last stood for re-election - at that point it was finishing the sale of the CG and supporting an upwardly mobile club. In the same way that many of us as fans have less interest when we're doing poorly and things feel a bit grim off the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them - not all - feel the same. We'll see who sticks around come the next AGM I guess.

And I think it's pretty likely that there is some internal conflict within the Trust (not itk, I don't speak to any board members regularly) about how hard to go on these things, and when there isn't consensus in the board it can be very difficult to do anything with that sort of organisation.

I'm not saying that I don't largely agree that some of the Trust board members need to take a long look in the mirror, but I understand why they're not the campaigning force that we might like. Certainly I imagine the next AGM could be a bit more interesting than previous ones.

We haven't been 'upwardly mobile' since Jed McCrory rode into town.

As to the second point, the whole MO of a Supporters' Trust is to be there when things aren't going well, which happens regularly at our club, so I'd suggest they haven't really thought it through if they thought they were volunteering for a few years of backslapping and canapes whilst cheering the team to the Championship.

[TailBetweenLegs]

Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?

Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?

Certain people there railroaded Clem's takeover and silenced dissenting voices.

We are told that the ground purchase is a good thing. I think we are yet to see how the ownership structure affects the likelihood of a potential takeover.

Never forget: "We know who you are." From a Supporters' Trust?! Disgraceful stuff.

They avoid all questions on social media.

Wholesale changes needed at the Trust ASAP.

("WhY DOnt YoU volUNteeR if YoU CARe so MuCH?")

Every single thing you said there is spot on. Including the last line though, when you are as vocal as you are about these things and as passionate as you clearly are why aren't you doing more than just kicking off online

That really is not a dig but it can't be healthy at all.

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

It’s such a shame. The financial history of this club basically puts off a lot of people here in the UK and overseas in looking seriously at the club.

There are way too many skeletons in the cupboard and potential pit falls to risk it. Having talked to a number of them here in the UK and elsewhere, I know that a number will not, and I include myself in this, put family money and reputation into a project that is dodgy to say the least.

Mat one point I had conversations with a possible CEO prepared to work with me. But we both decided that it wasn’t worth the risk.

 

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

and if they come back with a positive report some will wonder if the books were genuine..

Especially after a two month delay (and counting)

[Ƭ̵̬̊: The Artist Formerly Known as CWIG]

They did, but I think it's fair to say the job they volunteered *for* looked very different 10 months ago when they last stood for re-election - at that point it was finishing the sale of the CG and supporting an upwardly mobile club. In the same way that many of us as fans have less interest when we're doing poorly and things feel a bit grim off the pitch, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them - not all - feel the same. We'll see who sticks around come the next AGM I guess.

And I think it's pretty likely that there is some internal conflict within the Trust (not itk, I don't speak to any board members regularly) about how hard to go on these things, and when there isn't consensus in the board it can be very difficult to do anything with that sort of organisation.

I'm not saying that I don't largely agree that some of the Trust board members need to take a long look in the mirror, but I understand why they're not the campaigning force that we might like. Certainly I imagine the next AGM could be a bit more interesting than previous ones.

I think its fairly obvious there will be conflict within the trust. There is conflict in the fan base in general and the trust is an extension of the fan base.

[Bennett]

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?

I don't disagree with you...if you fancy a nose about their accounts are available online
https://truststfc.com/accounts-and-rules/

[STFC_Manc]

Yes they are volunteers... but they volunteered!

They are taking people's money. For what?

How much is there in the Community Fund? How much has been spent?



Have you voted on the annual County Ground business plan?

Have you had the chance to provide feedback through regular surveys?

Certain people there railroaded Clem's takeover and silenced dissenting voices.

We are told that the ground purchase is a good thing. I think we are yet to see how the ownership structure affects the likelihood of a potential takeover.

Never forget: "We know who you are." From a Supporters' Trust?! Disgraceful stuff.

They avoid all questions on social media.

Wholesale changes needed at the Trust ASAP.

("WhY DOnt YoU volUNteeR if YoU CARe so MuCH?")

Are you a Trust member? If not then you wouldn't get the communication they have sent, which I'm sure they could do more but a lot of those points have been covered and you can't vote for 'change'.

[horlock07]

I don't disagree with you...if you fancy a nose about their accounts are available online
https://truststfc.com/accounts-and-rules/

Subscriber income of £1.5k a year, that's pretty piss poor.