New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[STFC_Manc]

100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.

Agreed and it shows a lack of commercial nous

[Peter Venkman]

100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.

I agree fully, I would expect probably 90% of those wouldnt bother going at all without the deal in place, if not more.

[Bob1978]

It looks like Hall said the same stuff about free tickets at the advisory board meeting - didn't the trust challenge him? Isn't that what these meetings are for? Surely if they had he wouldn't have repeated the same lines to Vic

[Mooneyraker]

It looks like Hall said the same stuff about free tickets at the advisory board meeting - didn't the trust challenge him? Isn't that what these meetings are for? Surely if they had he wouldn't have repeated the same lines to Vic

It's almost like the AB never actually happened and they retro-fitted the OSC chat answers into the AB format... uncanny really.

[BenTheRed]

It looks like Hall said the same stuff about free tickets at the advisory board meeting - didn't the trust challenge him? Isn't that what these meetings are for? Surely if they had he wouldn't have repeated the same lines to Vic

Spencer was the Trust rep at the meeting, so probably not

[Nemo]

I agree fully, I would expect probably 90% of those wouldnt bother going at all without the deal in place, if not more.

Not sure I agree that only 10% would, but the discount is £12 vs £27 full price, so they'd need at least 65% of the people to go anyway *to break even on removing the scheme*

(That's before considering any cash funding Nationwide provide to the scheme, which I suspect is non-zero)

[No Longer Posh Red]

The fact that Hall is an Arsenal fan makes me wonder if he thinks there’s a waiting list for season tickets and so us freeloaders that give up our ST’s will just be replaced by someone else who is happy to pay full price.

I was questioning whether to renew this year if the price went up too much, so will definitely have a tough decision to make if it goes up significantly this year.

Remember that the OSC & Trust persuaded Clem & Co not to put the season ticket price up by as much last year, so wonder if this is them telling them “it’s their fault” and not to interfere next time?

[Bob1978]

Spencer was the Trust rep at the meeting, so probably not

Surely as a critical friend he might have warned Hall those comments wouldn't go down well? 

[Audrey]

The fact that Hall is an Arsenal fan makes me wonder if he thinks there’s a waiting list for season tickets and so us freeloaders that give up our ST’s will just be replaced by someone else who is happy to pay full price.

I assumed he knew fuck all about football after that interview. You don’t need to be a genius to know that pissing off your core supporters isn’t going to end well.

I put it down to him not knowing the first thing about how football works. I’m certain you could choose anyone attending a game at the CG and they’d do a better job than that cretin.

[Mooneyraker]

I assumed he knew fuck all about football after that interview. You don’t need to be a genius to know that pissing off your core supporters isn’t going to end well.

I put it down to him not knowing the first thing about how football works. I’m certain you could choose anyone attending a game at the CG and they’d do a better job than that cretin.

Football Phil for CEO.

[tans]

I’m certain you could choose anyone attending a game at the CG and they’d do a better job than that cretin.

Have you seen some of our fans? I wouldnt be so sure!

[Bob's Orange]

100% this - it's amazing how the absolute assumption is that every single one of those 300 people would pay the full adult price if it weren't for the nasty Nationwide deal allowing them to partially freeload. That just... doesn't seem very likely.

Its like the Clubcard price vs the non-Clubcard price of certain products in tesco isn't it? Who is going to pay £7 for a tub of Anchor when you can get it for £2.30.

[Audrey]

Tub of Anchor = Tubby Wanker

[Nemo]

Its like the Clubcard price vs the non-Clubcard price of certain products in tesco isn't it? Who is going to pay £7 for a tub of Anchor when you can get it for £2.30.

For sure, there will be Nationwide employees who would have gone anyway occasionally who will buy tickets through the scheme. I don't think there are many who would have had STs (a ST is still cheaper per game if you do all of them I believe) but there will be people who would have done half or whatever.

But is it feasible that maybe a third wouldn't have gone otherwise? Seems like it to me, and that's the break even point for the scheme, even before you consider a) buying any sundries on match day e.g. drinks, good and b) any money NBS might give to fund the scheme.

It's just not reasonable to calculate the 'cost' of this scheme by just going "300 people would have bought £27 tickets but are instead buying £15 tickets every game" and no other factors.

[dphunt88]

Not sure I agree that only 10% would, but the discount is £12 vs £27 full price, so they'd need at least 65% of the people to go anyway *to break even on removing the scheme*

(That's before considering any cash funding Nationwide provide to the scheme, which I suspect is non-zero)

Heads up, this season the Nationwide tickets have been £14 a pop. Last year was £12 a pop. Years before that, it was £10 a pop.