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« Reply #7755 on: Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:23:13 »

Bye

Sorry for the late reply, it's been an intense and interesting couple of days... Eek Out

If anyone wants a chat, including Thekston and Mooneyraker, just to say hi, I'm a season ticket in the Town End and run the socials for the Trust so give me a shout of the Trust Twitter DMs and we can organise a catch-up face to face - no dramas at all Smiley
I might take you up on that but I’ll be brutally honest it’d be on the premise that Spencer is nowhere in the near vicinity as he’d probably tip me over the edge.
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« Reply #7756 on: Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 23:27:47 »

I might take you up on that but I’ll be brutally honest it’d be on the premise that Spencer is nowhere in the near vicinity as he’d probably tip me over the edge.

Deal - FYI - I'm not going to be there on the weekend as I have to go overseas for work but drop me a DM on Twitter and we'll sort out a time to chat properly.
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« Reply #7757 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:00:12 »

Bye

Sorry for the late reply, it's been an intense and interesting couple of days... Eek Out

If anyone wants a chat, including Thekston and Mooneyraker, just to say hi, I'm a season ticket in the Town End and run the socials for the Trust so give me a shout of the Trust Twitter DMs and we can organise a catch-up face to face - no dramas at all Smiley

Appreciate the offer Drummer Boy and I have no doubt that it is pretty stressful at the moment on top of your normal lives.

I just want to clarify a few things: I am not anti "the Trust." I would love us to have a strong, respected Trust who we can all rally behind. I seem to recall that during the Diamandis era, Red Army Fund days and so on. I have no interest in digging out the individuals online but from the outside looking in it seems to me that as soon as the Eady money turned up a small group at the top of the Trust have railroaded the CG acquisition at all costs and with little thought of the consequences. It seems to have been a giant ego trip. The day they announced that they were prepared to work with Power on the ground is the day I cancelled my direct debit. It could never have been in the interests of the club for that man to be anywhere near the keys to the County Ground. Then the Trust put themselves foursquare behind Clem Morfuni for reasons that are still not clear to me. By all means call Power out but what was the reason to get into bed with Morfuni to the extent that the Trust did? As I see it, a lot of Trust subscribers membership fees and the Trust's time went towards the work to smooth his takeover and even take on day to day running of elements of the club. That feels completely wrong to me. We have been told time and again that that the Trust have done 'due diligence', whether on Axis as a business or on Zavier Austin's background or any number of other things. Well, Axis never passed the sniff test. When pictures of their tiny dilapidated offices emerged the Cultists told us that was normal for a building services firm... hmmm. Well, it is now clear that Axis as a business had the resilience of a wet paper hanky.
Then we got Zav Austin. Clem's literal first act was to attempt to install a convicted drugs money launderer as Vice Chairman. At that point the Trust should have distanced themselves immediately. This is meant to be a community football club, quite aside from the fact that he was never going to pass the fit and proper person's test. Yet, out came Clem's Praetorian guard at the Trust telling us that extensive due diligence was done and Zav 'explained it all' on the OSC couch (did he bollocks). His background was right there on Google for all to see.
We've had partnerships with fake football clubs (I really can't emphasise how mad it is to have to type that), Zav, now relegated to Matchday Guest, doing deals on behalf of the club on Whitehall, one of Britain's formerly most wanted in the wings, chaos in the transfer department in every window, Greg Norman departing, Rob Angus being thrown under the bus, share transfers, rumours swirling about non-payments for months and months, the most threadbare squad in living memory, it goes on and on and on. There would be less red flags at a Chinese Communist Party Parade.
And yet, everything, every statement, every interaction from the Trust is entirely reactive. They are always caught on the back foot when something is pinged from Companies House or some other bullshit emerges. Did no-one at the Trust ask who Karachi FC were? A google image search of the crest shows it NEVER EXISTED! Did that not bother anyone? I only use that example because it is peak Clem insanity.
We've also had Trust members making veiled threats ("we know who your are" type stuff) towards legitimate social media accounts asking questions that some fans want answers to online. That is mad.
I'm certain that there are conflicting views within the Trust but it would be great to see something happening on the front foot, rather than after the next skeleton tumbles out of the closet, which it will as surely as day follows night.
In terms of offering solutions rather than problems, I do think that both the Trust website and membership model are barriers to entry. It is utterly labyrinthine. On the basis that Clem clearly doesn't have a pot to piss in, I think we can forget voting shares for a while. You need a basic membership model so that the Trust is in a strong position to react when this house of cards comes tumbling down. I also think we are way past the critical friend-zone.

Anyway, apologies for the ramble and I do appreciate a Trust member coming on here in peace and hope that this is taken in the spirit it is intended. We are where we are and I think we will all need to pull together over the coming months.
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« Reply #7758 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:24:00 »

Deal - FYI - I'm not going to be there on the weekend as I have to go overseas for work but drop me a DM on Twitter and we'll sort out a time to chat properly.

One way ticket Wink
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« Reply #7759 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:24:46 »

I disagree with some of that Moony
  - getting 50% of the ground into "fan" ownership is a lot better than 100% being in the club hands - even if Clem was the best owner since sliced bread then next one may not.
        - does that protection also hamper redevelopment - not that I can see.
  - I don't suppose there was much choice in Morfuni was the only one with the pre-emption rights to remove Power.

On due diligence - I get what you are saying. I'm not sure how hidden Austin & cos involvment was at the time of takeover. I'm not sure it matters IF you believe the alternative is Power taking the club down.  I have to say the clean break from the Power era has been anything but.

I don't think now is the time for the Trust to go militant. I am sure they have the same suspicions and worries as the rest of us. They are fans like us after all. Best to keep their powder dry and try and gain whatever information they can (IMO). Exhaust all avenues.
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« Reply #7760 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:31:40 »

SBC seemingly weren’t in any danger of selling the ground to Power or Clem, who frankly couldn’t have afforded it.

And yes, we know Morfuni was the only game in town but that didn’t mean the Trust had to handcuff themselves to him!

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« Reply #7761 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:44:48 »

I don’t think the trust need to be militant, but they could do with showing more backbone

I think with hindsight it’s a mistake having the Trust be the supporter representation in the JV. From a relationship management POV, it’s got to make it more difficult to be critical and scrutinise when you have to then work *with* the clubs ownership on all things ground related.
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« Reply #7762 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 09:52:00 »

Demanding people's names and trying to 'out' accounts like STFC Questions - yes, much more Secret Police than military - and deeply disturbing.

We are run no better than a fan owned club, and unfortunately some sitting at the Trust table think that's what they are and that they're special and involved. The last two years have shown that for what it's worth. Let's see what happens when they get hold of our threadbare accounts.
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« Reply #7763 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 10:04:38 »

Demanding people's names and trying to 'out' accounts like STFC Questions - yes, much more Secret Police than military - and deeply disturbing.

We are run no better than a fan owned club, and unfortunately some sitting at the Trust table think that's what they are and that they're special and involved. The last two years have shown that for what it's worth. Let's see what happens when they get hold of our threadbare accounts.

I’ve been saying this for a while. The club loves to act like it’s fan owned and attempt to benefit from any positives of that (fan goodwill, donations etc) when the clubs not fan owned at all.
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« Reply #7764 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 10:14:05 »

I’ve been saying this for a while. The club loves to act like it’s fan owned and attempt to benefit from any positives of that (fan goodwill, donations etc) when the clubs not fan owned at all.

I tend to agree with that, pandering to fans to put money in etc & help the club out. Basically the ''owners'' want a free hit. Wish I now hadn't given up my season ticket refund from the 20/21 season, oh well, hindsight is wonderful.
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« Reply #7765 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:01:05 »

It’s exhausting following this club. Never ending worries and concerns and the feeling that this is, at last, IT. The end. No more. Can’t take it. Can’t be arsed. Can’t be lied to anymore. Can’t let yourself be blindsided by pure guff and nonsense again.

In some ways this is worse than Power. It was obvious, to many, that he was dodgy from the outset but we had a few decent seasons mainly in L1 so we had a bit of a safety net. Along comes Clem, seemingly the polar opposite of Power. Openness and transparency was the claim. Jump on board, buy your STs, things have changed, we’re on the up.

It didn’t take long for staff to start jumping ship which raised an eyebrow or 2. 3 managers leave, various other members of staff leave, the Trust’s man leaves. Now the fans have had enough.

If Clem reckons he can’t make it pay on the back of 9000 crowds how will that pan out when they drop to 7000.
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« Reply #7766 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:05:39 »

If Clem reckons he can’t make it pay on the back of 9000 crowds how will that pan out when they drop to 7000.

That's THE point. Ignore dodgy/saint. It comes down to is he skint/solvent enough to plug gaps.

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« Reply #7767 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:19:51 »

The fastest way to force Morfuni out is to stop putting money into the club. The £15m valuation will soon drop
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« Reply #7768 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:27:13 »

The fastest way to force Morfuni out is to stop putting money into the club. The £15m valuation will soon drop

Ive made the decision that whilst this lot are still in charge the club is not having another penny of my money. I dont get to many games per season (4 or 5) but buy merchandise such as shirts, programmes etc. That stops now until they are gone.
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« Reply #7769 on: Wednesday, November 8, 2023, 11:36:38 »

The fastest way to force Morfuni out is to stop putting money into the club. The £15m valuation will soon drop

£15m?! Where on earth has that come from?
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