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« Reply #17670 on: Tuesday, April 22, 2025, 20:32:13 »

Fans generally don’t like owners whoever they are. I think it could get messy if say 60% vote for and 40% against and there’s no persuading the 40% who just don’t like the owners. We’ll just go into a death spiral.

Fans generally don’t like owners whoever they are. Well then, they need to do something about that disconnect don’t they?

We’ll just go into a death spiral. Newsflash, we’re already in that.

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« Reply #17671 on: Tuesday, April 22, 2025, 20:39:21 »

Fans generally don’t like owners whoever they are. I think it could get messy if say 60% vote for and 40% against and there’s no persuading the 40% who just don’t like the owners. We’ll just go into a death spiral.
Why are we any more likely to go into a death spiral?

If it's going to take 6 years for the TV to pay for it we will potentially be worse off for quite a time

If it's all funded outside the FC then fair enough but more details required.
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« Reply #17672 on: Tuesday, April 22, 2025, 20:43:40 »

Because we have to find a way to blame the fans.
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« Reply #17673 on: Tuesday, April 22, 2025, 21:03:40 »

Fans generally don’t like owners whoever they are. I think it could get messy if say 60% vote for and 40% against and there’s no persuading the 40% who just don’t like the owners. We’ll just go into a death spiral.

We’ve gone from the Premier League to the bottom of the Football League. I think we’re already in that death spiral and have been for awhile.
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« Reply #17674 on: Tuesday, April 22, 2025, 21:12:06 »

Fans generally don’t like owners whoever they are. I think it could get messy if say 60% vote for and 40% against and there’s no persuading the 40% who just don’t like the owners. We’ll just go into a death spiral.

A bit like trying to get the blinkered fans to understand the orange protest  Wink
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« Reply #17675 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 02:12:33 »

Why are we any more likely to go into a death spiral?

If it's going to take 6 years for the TV to pay for it we will potentially be worse off for quite a time

If it's all funded outside the FC then fair enough but more details required.

With the owners in charge, we’re at our lowest ebb. Nothing to do with the TV deal. Holloways revival is fantastic in of itself however, I cannot help thinking it will end in tears and we’re back to square one.
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« Reply #17676 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 04:40:06 »

For the houses that are being proposed, is that on the area of land that is currently statue park? I'd have thought that's unrealistic unless you are putting in houses for noddy and his mates?
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« Reply #17677 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 06:09:29 »

For the houses that are being proposed, is that on the area of land that is currently statue park? I'd have thought that's unrealistic unless you are putting in houses for noddy and his mates?
Not sure they are being proposed at this stage. It's just been mentioned.

Appreciate that's probably not what you ment, but given it's out there they need to be clear this is for the future and not part of *this* vote.

I'll try and get to tonight's meeting, going to be a bit tight on time from work.
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« Reply #17678 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 08:40:46 »

It's a thin strip on land on the Magic Roundabout, it's hardly a prime development opportunity. Imagine the parking  Cheesy

Its not gonna happen, but FWIW in many cases Councils are now looking for zero parking in city centre sustainable locations.

The company that did Brentford’s stadium got sacked off and the cynic inside me imagines their proposals and pricing were too realistic for the club and not pure pie in the sky.

Who knows in 20+ years in the development business I've been kicked off (and seen others kicked off jobs) for a plethora of reasons, so at this stage any suggestion of it being cost based is pure speculation. FWIW I had some involvement on the Brentford scheme (working for an objector) and there was all manner of strange stuff going on with that project (not, I hasten to add, to do with the architects).

I don’t think it’s an issue. I also in development. It’s not a full ground redevelopment. The experience the architects have in hospitality is probably more relevant in terms of creating something that will turn a profit. Often these days you have different architects for planning and full construction drawings.

Totally this, its at best a pretty standard fit out job of na existing space with some external turd polishing, as I've noted before I would suspect they have a plethora of consultants already working behind the scenes on the hospitality offer etc and what the architects have designed is driven by that!

Fans generally don’t like owners whoever they are. Well then, they need to do something about that disconnect don’t they?


This is possibly the biggest problem, that disconnect is pretty much terminal for a pretty large proportion of the fan base (which is understandable albeit the way that rumours seem to be rapidly accepted as fact probably helps no one), its fractured and fucked an isn't going to change.

For the houses that are being proposed, is that on the area of land that is currently statue park? I'd have thought that's unrealistic unless you are putting in houses for noddy and his mates?

To agree with Batch I'm pretty sure this isn't what you mean, but the way the houses thing is gathering pace is just a good illustration of the manner in which following the club seems to have become more like a game of Chinese whispers these days.
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« Reply #17679 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 08:57:13 »

Not sure they are being proposed at this stage. It's just been mentioned.

Appreciate that's probably not what you ment, but given it's out there they need to be clear this is for the future and not part of *this* vote.

I'll try and get to tonight's meeting, going to be a bit tight on time from work.
It was one comment by the architect about residential development potentially being part of a future phase. Extraordinary how it's been picked up on to the extent it has, imo. Certainly not part of this plan and may never happen, but the club have been talking about residential being part of a wider second/third/xth phase for months and months (again may never happen, but it's not new news)
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« Reply #17680 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 08:59:27 »

Orient for example? 
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« Reply #17681 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 09:17:36 »

Sorry I've only been skimming the socials/TEF recently so apologies if my use of the word 'proposed' caused confusion. I almost got away with it the first time but I'm now on year 9 of marriage. 😀
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« Reply #17682 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 09:50:29 »

Maybe luxury apartments overlooking the DRS similar to what Arsenal have done🤣
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« Reply #17683 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 10:05:33 »

It was one comment by the architect about residential development potentially being part of a future phase. Extraordinary how it's been picked up on to the extent it has, imo. Certainly not part of this plan and may never happen, but the club have been talking about residential being part of a wider second/third/xth phase for months and months (again may never happen, but it's not new news)

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BIB: They even mentioned it in the redevelopment ideas survey a fair few months back (not the current one).
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« Reply #17684 on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025, 11:43:15 »

It was one comment by the architect about residential development potentially being part of a future phase. Extraordinary how it's been picked up on to the extent it has, imo. Certainly not part of this plan and may never happen, but the club have been talking about residential being part of a wider second/third/xth phase for months and months (again may never happen, but it's not new news)

I'm not sure I'd be for adding residential to the site at all but this ownership would be even more of a disaster than anything else. Ruin the whole site for good.
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