New beginnings - 25% Truth, 80% Bollocks

[ThreeDrawsMentality]

I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"

Completely agree.

[Peter Venkman]

they are the most wretched hive of scum and villainy anywhere in the galaxy

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[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Those accounts of Seebeck should have been filed months ago shouldn’t they? Does that count as a Clem ‘oversight’?

[horlock07]

I do find some of the people that post comments on that Facebook page quite 'interesting'. (being extremely diplomatic with my language here)

After Clem's interview, which included the bit about the court cases and the fact we might face a fine - "Wow, Clem is fantastic, so honest and you really have to give him credit for coming out and explaining the situation - in Clem we trust etc etc"

The Adver then run with a story explaining we might face a fine as an outcome of the court cases and the share ownership etc - "fucking Adver, they are such shit-stirrers reporting this (the facts)"

Its got very tribal with some of the fans, much as with politics.

[Wobbly Bob]

Did we have a club secretary in place in August - September time last year?

Not that it would have made any difference if Clem chose to keep it all to himself.

Buck stops with owner on this one if we are fined, I'm afraid.
There's no I in team Clem mate.

[horlock07]

Those accounts of Seebeck should have been filed months ago shouldn’t they? Does that count as a Clem ‘oversight’?

Its potentially an oversight, albeit who it can be laid at the door of is less c;lear.

From experience if you employ an accountant they tell you what needs to be done and when, and if you get close to or miss the deadline they keep bloody contacting you about it!

So the unknown is whether the accountants have fucked up and missed the deadline or whether they have asked/told Clem it has to be done and he has not instructed or provided whatever they need.

Ultimately if a fine is levied the directors will have to pay it, albeit I suspect if its an accountants fuck up a counter claim will be lodged to cover it off.

[Bob's Orange]

It's fair to say that there are both people who will not see any concerns with the current ownership regardless of any evidence presented, and people who think they are the most wretched hive of scum and villainy anywhere in the galaxy, but I think there are far more with views somewhere in between those two poles. The issue seems to be that both "sides" see the most unreasonable exponents of the other view as 'typical' and spend more time raging at those than they do engaging with the more nuanced people in the middle.

Not that this is a situation restricted to STFC ownership issues!

Its got very tribal with some of the fans, much as with politics.

Have to agree with both of these comments. Politics in particular (fully aware there is another thread so won't bang on about it too much here) is so massively divisive and that divisiveness has crept into STFC fandom here, and I imagine football in general. I guess pretty much everyone is on SM these days and have their opinion so it's difficult to avoid, or agree in many cases.

[Bob's Orange]

Yep. Facts is facts, some on FB do have their head so far deep in the sand they are visiting Clem in Oz.

No need to sell 5.5k ST's then is there for those people!

Actually the prize is New York this year rather than Oz isn't it?

[Power to people]

I really do hope that when the fine comes from the FL & anything from companies house that this is paid out of Clem's pocket not the FC, Clem has made it clear it was his decision not to make public the shareholding change and not tell the FL, so hopefully he takes it on the chin and coughs up and publicly states he has paid it out of his pocket.

Maybe this should be something the Trust should be discussing.

[RobertT]

I can't read the article, but presume this is us not informing the EFL?  If so, didn't a few posters call this out when the original documents were identified, and got a bit of pushback from other posters to not be so silly?

There are recent examples of clubs receiving punishment for this, which tends to include a suspended points deduction.  That may not be a problem for now - BUT, this does not help when you have a much bigger case sat waiting for resolution and your defence is that we are not like those bad old owners......

edit: having checked, the recent examples I remembered were Birmingham and Peterborough, we should likely expect a fine or payment of costs for the case reaching around 50k and a 2/3 point deduction suspended for a year.

[Bob's Orange]

I can't read the article, but presume this is us not informing the EFL?  If so, didn't a few posters call this out when the original documents were identified, and got a bit of pushback from other posters to not be so silly?

There are recent examples of clubs receiving punishment for this, which tends to include a suspended points deduction.  That may not be a problem for now - BUT, this does not help when you have a much bigger case sat waiting for resolution and your defence is that we are not like those bad old owners......

Do you mean 'the usual suspects' as people tend to throw about on here these days.

[RobertT]

Fucking Keyser Söze

[horlock07]

I really do hope that when the fine comes from the FL & anything from companies house that this is paid out of Clem's pocket not the FC,

Aren't they pretty much one and the same, albeit I suppose it would avoid Kiely and the lawyer guy being partially liable I suppose.

[Cowley38]

The club is still rotten to the core!

Clem Morfuni is just another Lee Power!

Same dodgy dealings, same secretive lies....

[Mooneyraker]

Karachi Update!

https://www.chevening.org/news/ready-set-goal-how-a-chevening-scholarship-could-accelerate-your-sporting-career/

"We’re also delighted to announce that Chevening has scored an exciting new football partnership with Swindon Town Football Club (STFC).

STFC are generously offering one award for applicants from Pakistan wishing to study a master’s degree in Football Coaching or Football Science at either the Solent University or the University Campus of Football Business, Wembley Stadium."

Who is 'generously' paying for that...?

(Chevening is the UK government’s international scholarships and fellowships programme.)