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« Reply #1665 on: Thursday, March 31, 2022, 17:52:14 »

Don't forget there would be a Hotel providing a constant stream of potential customers as well.

If its one of the budget operators it will invariably come with a tagged on Costa (or equivalent) anyway.
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« Reply #1666 on: Thursday, March 31, 2022, 18:47:10 »

Don't forget there would be a Hotel providing a constant stream of potential customers as well.  My assumption would be a couple of retail/food options would be added into the TE structure, enabling a mini Greenbridge type of pull (the Cinema side).  It's not going to rely on foot traffic.  Somehow that Burger King continues to survive, even after burning itself to the ground.
I would imagine a few local restaurants would use a few units
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« Reply #1667 on: Thursday, March 31, 2022, 18:58:18 »

The Sports bar seems to work at Ashton Gate for England games during the Euros and they seem to fill it for other games.

Ashton Gate isn't exactly in the upmarket, social part of Bristol but has become a focal point.
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« Reply #1668 on: Thursday, March 31, 2022, 21:07:44 »

I presume the plan would likely be to act as a Landlord and lease out units, removing some of that Operational risk.  Just look at the Regents Circus development, Morrisons are still paying a pretty penny for years to come on the shop they vacated.  The operating unit does not need to be a success once you have a tenant by the short and curlies.
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« Reply #1669 on: Thursday, March 31, 2022, 22:19:51 »

I presume the plan would likely be to act as a Landlord and lease out units, removing some of that Operational risk.  Just look at the Regents Circus development, Morrisons are still paying a pretty penny for years to come on the shop they vacated.  The operating unit does not need to be a success once you have a tenant by the short and curlies.

That is true.
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« Reply #1670 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 05:51:35 »

I'm hearing that the club are having second thoughts about the hotel & conferencing idea.
Now exploring the idea of having an authentic Australian pub, one of the big ones with 3 storeys, balconies & art deco frontage etc.
Discussions ongoing about whether the grassed area in front of the TE could be used as a beer garden in the summer months.

Also looking to revisit the casino concept as well, this time incorporating an upmarket gentleman's & ladies club.

I'm told that the information is reliable but could change after today.

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« Reply #1671 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:32:13 »

Interesting that Arriba mentions the Boots and Laces Sports Bar at Torquay United. I lived a few 100 yards away for several years about 10 years ago and was a regular most weekends. During the days of Paul Buckle and Chairman Colin Lee Boots and Laces was loosing the club a lot of money when it was run "in-house" so the club farmed it out to a local couple who promptly changed everything including introducing an improved family area and large sports screens etc. The best thing for me was the introduction of Real Ale, what's not to like about a pint of Yellowhammer !!! They turned it around within 6 months and made a healthy profit. When the Football Club realised money could be made they kicked the couple out and took back control.  Angry
I have no idea what Boots and Laces is like these days but STFC need to understand the current climate/market etc. The area around Plainmoor is very similar to the area around the County Ground but people used to travel across Torquay to go to Boots and Laces.  

 
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« Reply #1672 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:35:07 »

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« Reply #1673 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 06:45:23 »

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I'm hearing that the club are having second thoughts about the hotel & conferencing idea.
Now exploring the idea of having an authentic Australian pub, one of the big ones with 3 storeys, balconies & art deco frontage etc.
Discussions ongoing about whether the grassed area in front of the TE could be used as a beer garden in the summer months.

Also looking to revisit the casino concept as well, this time incorporating an upmarket gentleman's & ladies club.

I'm told that the information is reliable but could change after today.

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« Reply #1674 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 07:06:19 »

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I suppose it's not a huge surprise given the significant levels of recruitment last summer. Amounts paid per incoming player probably about average for the division.
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« Reply #1675 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 08:21:16 »

I presume the plan would likely be to act as a Landlord and lease out units, removing some of that Operational risk.  Just look at the Regents Circus development, Morrisons are still paying a pretty penny for years to come on the shop they vacated.  The operating unit does not need to be a success once you have a tenant by the short and curlies.

The landlord thing is undoubtedly the case, no point getting into businesses they have no idea how to run.

I wouldn't read too much opportunity into the Morrisons situation as an example, that's a costly exception for them, they royally fucked up their brief sojourn into convenience and are still paying the price for paying stupid money for long leases without any break clauses. They must have been renting the prime site in Lancaster city centre now for c.8 years whilst it remains vacant, no estates manager would ever sign something as stupid, my mate worked in their estates team and a lot of heads rolled off the back of that!
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« Reply #1676 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 08:57:29 »

5 year leases are common.

Very broadly speaking, the business has to be a
'success' otherwise paying the rent becomes difficult.
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« Reply #1677 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 11:08:02 »

Given the grounds location do people think a sports bar could be a money spinner outside of STFC game time? Put in a decent burger and chips type of place/Street food and try and make the CG a great social place to go to any time of the week.

Yeah I do. Could have bands on at weekends etc. It works for other clubs don't see why it wouldn't here. The town centre location a plus in that regard too I think.
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« Reply #1678 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 11:13:18 »

Interesting that Arriba mentions the Boots and Laces Sports Bar at Torquay United. I lived a few 100 yards away for several years about 10 years ago and was a regular most weekends. During the days of Paul Buckle and Chairman Colin Lee Boots and Laces was loosing the club a lot of money when it was run "in-house" so the club farmed it out to a local couple who promptly changed everything including introducing an improved family area and large sports screens etc. The best thing for me was the introduction of Real Ale, what's not to like about a pint of Yellowhammer !!! They turned it around within 6 months and made a healthy profit. When the Football Club realised money could be made they kicked the couple out and took back control.  Angry
I have no idea what Boots and Laces is like these days but STFC need to understand the current climate/market etc. The area around Plainmoor is very similar to the area around the County Ground but people used to travel across Torquay to go to Boots and Laces.  

 

When I was in Torquay recently there was an advertisement for a band on there and it is still open on non match days as far as I know. We are a bigger club and with the right management we could easily have a successful club bar/supporters club venue within the ground.
I actually saw Colin Lee on meadfoot beach last September too so he's still in the area.
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« Reply #1679 on: Friday, April 1, 2022, 12:17:18 »

This was tried in the 70's. Well the bar at least. While the Squash club had a loyal,
 lively clientele it never really took off. The Supporters club was a huge area only used Thursday nights for bingo and Friday/ Saturday nights for music.
As for the local area using a burger bar venue that's highly unlikely. Man Rd has the ethnic population covered in venues of all sorts.

They made good use for it for the 98 World Cup to be fair., "Three Lions Bar" No idea why they managed to get it going back then and not for anything outside of match days since.
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