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Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:38:37
Having seen quite a few comments about Chelsea being whats wrong with football I thought Id start a little thread about whats wrong with football.  Personally I look at football and see a pretty fucked world. 

Overspending clubs, overpaid players, bollocks organisations running it, racism, homophobia, imbecilic fans etc etc etc.

Latest thing to annoy me is seeing some comments from people I know along the lines of 'Haha Steven Gerrard, 600 games for the same club and you've still not won the premier league'.  Surely a players loyalty to one club should be celebrated not derided?

Anyway, feel free to discuss whats wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:39:11
foul throws are very rarely given


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:39:54
people who try to place the ball over the line on a corner, will that extra 2 cm really make a difference..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:40:01
Sky sports money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Langers on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:40:24
Franchise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:46:04
The cost of match days for supporters.

Diving increasing throughout  the game


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:46:34
Blatter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 12:48:17
people who try to place the ball over the line on a corner, will that extra 2 cm really make a difference..

And goalkeepers who kick the ball from hand when they may be ever so slightly over the line.  Ineveitably it goes straight through to the other keeper anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:11:41
Lee Hughes
Marlon King
Terrell Forbes
Ched Evans
Steve Evans
Joey Barton
The list is endless of scumbags who still get employed by opportunistic football clubs who think of nothing but money. Its no wonder that football is looked on so cynically.Even our club can't wait to bring out FA cup shirts and outsource ticket sales with rip-off booking charges


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:12:52
You are. All of you. Especially you there, at the back, shuffling about. I want you all to sit quietly and think about what you've done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:17:02
I was expecting a better answer from you Pauld!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:31:50
Diving
Petulant and argumentative players on the pitch
Poor value for money thats worse in the Premier League pricing most fans out of going to games
Players who are overpaid prima donnas
No loyalty in players
Tackling being punished so that it is becoming a non-contact sport gradually


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LJ9 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:32:05
Player power


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:37:03
All seater stadia
Twitter
Oxford United
Over-hyped, useless, overpaid foreign players
The Premier League
That Pompey fuckwit with the bell
That Scouse fuckwit with all the badges
Large foam hands
Face painting
People taking cameras into grounds (my personal hate)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:38:00
I was expecting a better answer from you Pauld!
Oh OK, then. Sky and their bastard offspring, the Premier League. How's that? :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:42:27
Less of this...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_03/KeaneReferee_468x402.jpg

It's an old photo, but we're still no closer to sorting the problem.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 13:55:14
Easy to sort out - but there is no will to do so

The lunatics are running the asylum


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:18:04
Well done.  I approve.  I still expected it to be more wordy, but it'll have to do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:22:56
All seater stadia
Twitter
Oxford United
Over-hyped, useless, overpaid foreign players
The Premier League
That Pompey fuckwit with the bell
That Scouse fuckwit with all the badges
Large foam hands
Face painting
People taking cameras into grounds (my personal hate)


This


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:35:21
Non-contact nature of tackling
Unlikeable players
Wong people in charge at the top
No beers on the terraces
No terraces
Cost (commercialisation in general)
The drift away from it being a working mans sport (not that i remember it, but I'd like it to be a little less 'replica shirt, family day out)
Franchise
Train prices for away days (or in general, it's just silly money)
Billionaire owners
Curbing goal celebrations
Music after goals
Seeing an empty Saturday schedule in the top league for TV purposes
Aiming to finish 4th to qualify for the CL
Wembley


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:54:33
Drums
Toure on £220k a week
John Terry
Premier League being judge and jury
FA being judge and jury
The lack of team colour goal nets
No standing
MOTD pundits
£3.40 for a bottle of beer in the DRS

...and £75 for a team strip for my lad, £75 FUCKING QUID!



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 14:57:55
All of the above.

And particularly what Ardiles mentioned - players treating the ref like a piece of shit on their luminous pink/green/orange boot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Coca Fola on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:05:49
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmWskE6Zgo&fmt18

It's not Bosnian football

Best bit is at 6.04 when they score.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:09:16
money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:18:27
Not enough beer and tits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:22:25
actually not enough beer and tits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 15:25:17
Sky Sports - the crux of all things bad


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 17:37:53
The speed and ease with which a manager can go from being seen as a tactically astute, well-loved and successful manager amongst a set of supporters to being seen as inept and clueless by the same set of people in the space of 10 games or less.

Also, the refusal amongst pundits and fans to acknowledge that luck and elements of randomness frequently have as much of an impact on results as skill, tactics and ability.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 17:46:49
Coloured boots


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 17:56:36
Especially on a 34 year old camel like Darren Ward.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 18:00:29
It's just not cricket


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 18:38:01
MOTD pundits





..and every other pundit.Especially failed managers like Shearer and Claridge.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 18:50:36
When referring to the history of football only talking about the premier league era...pretty sure football started before the premier league...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 21:17:57
And goalkeepers who kick the ball from hand when they may be ever so slightly over the line.  Ineveitably it goes straight through to the other keeper anyway.

A certain Mr Wesley Foderingham has a habit of doing this!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 21:20:58
Whatever happened to the contested drop ball?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 23:39:38
Whatever happened to the contested drop ball?

The old shin kick ball, I miss those.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Tuesday, November 6, 2012, 23:51:31
Football died the day Sir Bobby did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 00:16:32
Football died the day Sir Bobby did

Certainly much of the honesty in football that he stood for did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 17:48:52
Answer: Money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 17:59:50
The transient nature of the side. Can't build an affinity towards the players so much. Shaun Taylor, Paul Bodin, Martin Ling, Fraser Digby, Fitzroy Simpson, Colin Calderwood, John Gittens. We'll never be able to develop a rappore of that sort again.

Or am I wrong? Feel a bond with Ferry I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:01:43
People (especially the media) who fail to acknowledge the good within the game and focus on the negatives, because it's easy. One of the All Blacks was sin-binned for intentionally stamping on the head of one of the Scots today. The media will largely ignore that though, with it not being football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:06:42
Peter Scudamore and the PL
Players getting booked for doing very little wrong (taking shirt off, slight mistimed challenge)
Refereeing standards
Blatter
Platini
Agents
Champions League (Bring back the knockout European Cup, Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup)
Teams that get knocked out of the CL, then able to go into the Europa Cup

And....money !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:13:21
The transient nature of the side. Can't build an affinity towards the players so much. Shaun Taylor, Paul Bodin, Martin Ling, Fraser Digby, Fitzroy Simpson, Colin Calderwood, John Gittens. We'll never be able to develop a rappore of that sort again.

Or am I wrong? Feel a bond with Ferry I suppose.

Players - and managers - are transitory.

It's just us fans that get to see a club over an extended period of time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:20:52
The transient nature of the side. Can't build an affinity towards the players so much. Shaun Taylor, Paul Bodin, Martin Ling, Fraser Digby, Fitzroy Simpson, Colin Calderwood, John Gittens. We'll never be able to develop a rappore of that sort again.

Or am I wrong? Feel a bond with Ferry I suppose.

Whoever you are, you can't escape that you're 20 years older than you were back in the days of Fraser et al.  So you're ability to develop an affinity with players is bound to be affected by that.  Your Ferry example is a good one.  (And I'd add SSP, Simon Cox and Matt Ritchie to that list, to name a few.)  I'd imagine that today's youngsters will be remembering them in 20+ years from now in the same way you or eye go misty eyed about some of those other players.  It hasn't all changed, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:30:51
Whoever you are, you can't escape that you're 20 years older than you were back in the days of Fraser et al.  So you're ability to develop an affinity with players is bound to be affected by that.  Your Ferry example is a good one.  (And I'd add SSP, Simon Cox and Matt Ritchie to that list, to name a few.)  I'd imagine that today's youngsters will be remembering them in 20+ years from now in the same way you or eye go misty eyed about some of those other players.  It hasn't all changed, I'm sure.

True Ardiles, guess i'm getting wistful in my old age. Proud to look back at that era when I was in my earfly teens with an immense sense of nostalgia. Duncan Shearer, Chalkie White, Ross McClaren, David Kerslake. Ooooh, the memories  :nod: Just seemed like, on average, the players stayed much longer back then, and therefore we really got a chance to take them to our hearts, without wishing to sound too slushy ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonah on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:30:58
Diving
Petulant and argumentative players on the pitch
Poor value for money thats worse in the Premier League pricing most fans out of going to games
Players who are overpaid prima donnas
No loyalty in players
Tackling being punished so that it is becoming a non-contact sport gradually


This.

Plus - with regard to the national game England and World Cup etc - the football feels like an after thought now - money/corporation/matchday experience bollocks.

I've gone off internationals due to what I perceive to be a lack of passion from some senior England players. Playing in European Cup or Champions League (I believe that's what it's called now) take precedence. Presumably because they earn more money..... Would love to see England put out a load of lower league lads who really really want to play for England and show some commitment and desire (might watch England more then)!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:34:17
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2231071/James-McClean-refuses-wear-poppy.html

Pricks like this...obviously he forgets about thousands of his countrymen who paid the ultimate for people like himself to ponce about and earn thousands every week.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:38:47
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2231071/James-McClean-refuses-wear-poppy.html

Pricks like this...obviously he forgets about thousands of his countrymen who paid the ultimate for people like himself to ponce about and earn thousands every week.


He's Irish.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:43:00
Sensitive issue this.  McClean is from Derry, and I wouldn't dare for one second to presume that he should feel about something like this the same way that I do.  If he doesn't have family members who were shot dead by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday, his family probably did have friends or acquaintances that were.  Who are we to dictate to him that he should wear a symbol that, like it or not, does have a strong connection to the British Army?

Live & let live, I say.  The day people start wearing poppies because they feel coerced in to doing so, the whole thing becomes meaningless.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:48:45
Sensitive issue this.  McClean is from Derry, and I wouldn't dare for one second to presume that he should feel about something like this the same way that I do.  If he doesn't have family members who were shot dead by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday, his family probably did have friends or acquaintances that were.  Who are we to dictate to him that he should wear a symbol that, like it or not, does have a strong connection to the British Army?

Live & let live, I say.  The day people start wearing poppies because they feel coerced in to doing so, the whole thing becomes meaningless.

No one has forced him....whats Derry got to do with it?

Many Derry Men who supported the IRA still paid the ultimate so people like this twat cannot even bring themself to respect those and others who died.
But coming from a man who changed allegance from North to South to play...and then abuse his manager on twitter then its no suprise is it.

Whats wrong with football :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:49:22
Roy Keane got some dreadful stick over here for wearing a poppy on a chat show.

I think it's more a case of them being fearful for the abuse they would receive if they did.

But what springs to my mind is why hasn't this been a problem in previous years on Remembrance Day


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 18:52:36
Good player though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:09:30
No one should feel pressured into wearing a poppy. It's all about freedom of choice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:12:41
James McClean has no problem with working in Britain or British People. He just doesnt wish to support a British Army which has been responsible for years of hurt & misery in the City he grew up in.   

Why can some not grasp that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:15:39
Does wearing a poppy really achieve anything? Most people do it out of habit. The poor fuckers  getting killed in a senseless war now is more important imo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:38:50
No one should feel pressured into wearing a poppy. It's all about freedom of choice.
indeed.

ironic really isn't it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 19:52:17
What I find disrespectful is people using it to their advantage on social media sites. Stuff like "Retweet this to remember the fallen"

No I won't fucking retweet it you attention seeking twat. All those people didn't die just for some sad fuckers to raise their profile on twitter.  I have nothing against the ceremonies at all but the grief whoring really fucking grates at times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:02:26
Thick cunt dick fucks who happen to be talented at football thinking that they are politicians ' making a stand ' ...fuck off you thick as shit fucks...if you couldn't play football you would be changing tyres or flipping burgers.

And.....relax...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:05:26
if you couldn't play football you would be changing tyres or flipping burgers.

And he probably wouldn't be wearing a poppy. So the fact he is a professional footballer is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:51:50
Back to the original question......

Not enough money filtering down to youth football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 20:56:10
It will soon be a criminal offence not to wear a poppy.(I wear one by the way on 11/11)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 21:00:07

£3.40 for a bottle of beer in the DRS


i don't see the problem with prices being in line with most bars throughout the country?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Sunday, November 11, 2012, 21:02:33
Back to the original question......

Not enough money filtering down to youth football


Here's one, footballer's, who rose through the lower league structure, and then later make a huge financial success of themselves in the Premiership, fail to make some monetary difference to their origin club when that club which produced them falls on bad times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, November 12, 2012, 18:36:45
And he probably wouldn't be wearing a poppy. So the fact he is a professional footballer is irrelevant.

Where did I mention poppies?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Monday, November 12, 2012, 19:03:28
Where did I mention poppies?

How are these footballers making a stand or what stand are they making? Perhaps incorrectly I thought you were referring to this Irish lad who decided against wearing a poppy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, November 12, 2012, 19:38:14
i don't see the problem with prices being in line with most bars throughout the country?

That in itself is an issue... how people get away with charging over a £2 for a 330ml bottle of beer is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 12, 2012, 19:52:25
I think football would be a lot better with more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Y5xCoKunY8


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, November 12, 2012, 22:04:10
The de-centralisation and over-complicating of football in order to create greater wealth for the few.

Solutions (domestic):

Create a single body to administer professional and semi-professional football.
Create a single League with 4 or 5 divisions, named Division 1, Division 2 etc.
All clubs in the League to enter cup competitions at the same time.

Solutions (European club):

European Cup to be a knockout cup competition for Division 1 winners only.
European Cup Winners' Cup to be a knockout cup competition for major cup winners only.

Solutions (International):

European Championships and World Cup qualifiers and finals to get rid of any kind of seeding.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, November 12, 2012, 23:10:59
I think football would be a lot better with more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Y5xCoKunY8
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 08:30:20
The de-centralisation and over-complicating of football in order to create greater wealth for the few.

Solutions (domestic):

Create a single body to administer professional and semi-professional football.
Create a single League with 4 or 5 divisions, named Division 1, Division 2 etc.
All clubs in the League to enter cup competitions at the same time.

Solutions (European club):

European Cup to be a knockout cup competition for Division 1 winners only.
European Cup Winners' Cup to be a knockout cup competition for major cup winners only.

Solutions (International):

European Championships and World Cup qualifiers and finals to get rid of any kind of seeding.





Love the ideas, no chance sadly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 08:49:34
I think football would be a lot better with more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Y5xCoKunY8
Email Heskey....Lie-chester City....Aston Vee-yah


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 08:58:00
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/12/premier-league-tv-rights-5-bn

Everything else stems from this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 10:11:22
So if, as Jeremy Wray prophesised, the Championship will become Premier League Div 2, what will the impact of that be, both for clubs in and out of the top 2 leagues?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 12:16:02
Peter Scudamore and the PL
Players getting booked for doing very little wrong (taking shirt off, slight mistimed challenge)
Refereeing standards
Blatter
Platini
Agents
Champions League (Bring back the knockout European Cup, Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup)
Teams that get knocked out of the CL, then able to go into the Europa Cup

And....money !!

In terms of these two:

Players getting booked for doing very little wrong (taking shirt off, slight mistimed challenge) - agreed but with the shirt taking off thing they know they will get booked so why continue doing it? It makes a bit of a mockery of the idea that if they got booked for swearing at the referee they would stop doing it?

Refereeing standards - They are poor, but if the players stopped trying to cheat all the time would make their lives a little easier.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 12:39:23
Sloop John B


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 12:50:46
Johnny Bloody Foreigner bringing his bloody foreign diving and cheating habits to the Beautiful Game and denying dear old UKaynians the chance to shine.

There may be a trace of bollocks in the above. Only a trace mind.

Too much money concentrated in the top quarter of the legue structure.

Too little money filtering down.

New grounds/ stadiums (stadia?) where the action is too far from the crowd. Atmosphere suffers as a result.

All seater staidums (stadia?).

Spineless powers that be that fail to deal with the overpaid 'stars' of the game when they behave like complete and utter cunts on and off the pitch.

Racism/ Sexism/ Homophobia- basic intolerance amongst supporters and players.

Talking the talk and then pulling up a chair and supping a beer when it is time to walk the walk (not putting the effort in when in an International shirt as opposed to a club shirt).

I could probably goo on but, I need a cup of tea and a lie down.

Meh, getartofit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 14:09:21
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8246088/Bolton-have-revealed-the-clubs-debt-has-increased-in-the-last-financial-year

Clubs like Bolton running up debts of £136m.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 14:20:22
Clubs like Bolton running up debts of £136m.

Incredible that they lost £26m last season, whilst in the PL and with selling a few players for big money.

How the hell are they going to repay a £136m loan over 10 years. With the interest that will be over £14m a year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 14:37:01
Not enough players with moustaches, beards, mullets, comb overs or wet perms.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 14:42:02
11 seasons in the PL have done Bolton no favours

Announced today they are £136.5m in debt!!!!

nearly as much as that yellow scum


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 14:44:50
11 seasons in the PL have done Bolton no favours

Announced today they are £136.5m in debt!!!!

nearly as much as that yellow scum

And all these Championship clubs thinking it's the Holy Grail. Just negligence of horrific proportions that this can be allowed to happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 16:16:02


How the hell are they going to repay a £136m loan over 10 years. With the interest that will be over £14m a year.

Indeed, not helped with having to pay-off Coyle and pay more money to hire whatshisname.

Would love to see what the business plan is for actually paying this money back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 16:46:29
The business plan is to go bust and pay back non-football creditors a tiny percentage of what they actually owe.

Genius really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 17:00:35
You do have to think that, especially with some of the 'smaller' clubs* - the owners seem to pocket a huge slice of their new-found riches and say bollocks to it when the shit hits the fan.

*See Pompey

Not wishing to sound too jingoistic, but there's just too many foreign owners for my liking.

Say what you like about Oxford but Agent Kassam did them royally up the arse and is continuing to do so.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 17:22:01
Say what you like about Oxford but Agent Kassam did them royally up the arse and is continuing to do so.

Unfortunately Firoz Kassam saved that club, they'd be like Darlo, Scarborough, or Chester, without him.

It's just that most of their fans are too thick to realise it...in the same way, they all want Gene Wilder out, whereas the wider football community sees he's doing a decent job, so nominate him for Manager of the Month.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 17:54:18
Agent Kassam will hold the club back forever when they have to fork out such a huge rent per annum.

He flogged the Manor for multi millions and spent 43p building the Kassam and pocketed the difference.

He is one big albatross round their necks - putting off any sane investor


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 18:57:00
Agent Kassam will hold the club back forever when they have to fork out such a huge rent per annum.

He flogged the Manor for multi millions and spent 43p building the Kassam and pocketed the difference.

He is one big albatross round their necks - putting off any sane investor
Is there a downside?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 19:10:13
Agent Kassam will hold the club back forever when they have to fork out such a huge rent per annum.

He flogged the Manor for multi millions and spent 43p building the Kassam and pocketed the difference.

He is one big albatross round their necks - putting off any sane investor

The rent isn't that much more than what we pay for the CG...when you consider, Oxford were completed screwed and only by his endeavours was the club saved, he's surely entitled to something.

Kassam provides 3 stands, a decent car park and  a well creosoted fence. By contrast SBC, were gifted the CG, doing fuck all themselves and provide fuck all for their exhorbitant rent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 21:26:44
Come on Reg, it's not the rent that screws Oxford over, it's the fact they don't get to keep any of the non ticket match day revenue on top of that.

STFC rent is based on turnover, so the more we earn, the more we pay and vice versa.  Hence it always been a bit over played by the SSW regime because our Revenue had declined so they were due to pay less.  It may even have been below £100k a year at one point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 21:43:08
The business plan is to go bust and pay back non-football creditors a tiny percentage of what they actually owe.

Genius really.

Not sure that's it as Bolton have claimed pretty much all the debt is to the owner, no suggestion they're not paying any of their other bills. Just seems stupid that it isn't written off as that appears to be the only long term outcome.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fatbasher on Tuesday, November 13, 2012, 22:08:56
In a word, money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 17:29:38
Yep.  Good to see big headlines today on BBC sport that Man U have reuced their debt to only £359.7 million as a result of floating on the new york stock exchange.

Thats allright then isnt it.  Makes poxfords £33m debt seem like a drop in an ocean of piss.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 19:39:23
The business plan is to go bust and pay back non-football creditors a tiny percentage of what they actually owe.

Genius really.
We are in no position to criticise though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 22:33:07
Yep.  Good to see big headlines today on BBC sport that Man U have reuced their debt to only £359.7 million as a result of floating on the new york stock exchange.

Thats allright then isnt it.  Makes poxfords £33m debt seem like a drop in an ocean of piss.
Surely it must be up to at least £38m by now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 23:20:33
They've dipped under the 33m mark by 75 pence.  They paid off some debts when they floated on the Witney stock exchange.  Timmy Mallet bought them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 23:28:55
Paying Lee Cox's £20k a week wages must be taking its toll on them by now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 12:55:50
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/15/michael-johnson-released-manchester-city

This sums it all up - on £40k a week and hasn't played for 3 years, finally paid up. Leaving aside the obscenity of the financial side, what a waste of talent. If he hadn't had that massive pay deal too early, maybe wouldn't have thought he'd "made it" already and may have actually made something of himself. Too many stories like this because there's far too much money (most of it wasted) at the top end of English football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 13:01:49
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/15/michael-johnson-released-manchester-city

This sums it all up - on £40k a week and hasn't played for 3 years, finally paid up. Leaving aside the obscenity of the financial side, what a waste of talent. If he hadn't had that massive pay deal too early, maybe wouldn't have thought he'd "made it" already and may have actually made something of himself. Too many stories like this because there's far too much money (most of it wasted) at the top end of English football

I remember when he first came on to the scene, he was amazing. He reminded me of a more athletic Lampard and I expected him to be the future of England's midfield - when I gave a shit.

I read about him a few months back as I suddenly thought, what happened to that ace young midfielder at Man City? only to read about how he was now a bit of a waster. Obviously we don't know the full circumstances, and it's easy to blame wages, but eh, likely his own fault, and wasn't truly cut out to get his head down and get on with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 13:13:11
Those pics are just staggering.  Take two pictures of someone 5 years apart, and you'd generally expect to be able to tell it was the same person in both...even if they would have aged a little.  I simply cannot see any resemblance there.

And back to the main point...what business does any 19 year old have earning an annual salary of £2 million anyway?  It's all wrong.  How can the people involved in clubs like these actually believe in what they are doing when money like that is changing hands?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 13:21:00
Those pics are just staggering.  Take two pictures of someone 5 years apart, and you'd generally expect to be able to tell it was the same person in both...even if they would have aged a little.  I simply cannot see any resemblance there.

And back to the main point...what business does any 19 year old have earning an annual salary of £2 million anyway?  It's all wrong.  How can the people involved in clubs like these actually believe in what they are doing when money like that is changing hands?

I think that you have probably hit it on the head Ardiles. My old flatmate who has contacts at Man U, told me of so many stories of astounding talents at Man Utd who have just totally wasted what they had and slowly fallen out of the game. I guess for some, once they see a massive monthly salary, they feel they don't have to work any more.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 13:21:26
think the Guardian have deliberately chosen the picture that shows the biggest difference

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/14329051


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 17:33:17
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8398890/Blue-Square-Bet-Premier-chiefs-could-discuss-Rangers-joining-the-division

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/official-who-urged-joleon-lescott-to-applaud-62-manchester-city-fans-axed-from-fa-cup-duty-8451583.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dphunt88 on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 17:39:44
What's wrong with football? Players/officials harassing referees to get players sent off for a pretty tame one-footed tackle! Skip straight to 53 mins 20 secs to watch it all unfold!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uupxaPRlmE

Steve Evans is such a twat. Glad we twatted them 6-0 over two games last season!

EDIT: also watch on as David 'believes he's Jesus' Prutton does absolutely nothing to stick up for his team-mates! All in it together eh lads! That's why i love McCormack, like an Irish bare-knuckle boxer fighting for his family's honour, he's straight in there everytime things get tasty!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 17:41:52
Those pics are just staggering.  Take two pictures of someone 5 years apart, and you'd generally expect to be able to tell it was the same person in both...even if they would have aged a little.  I simply cannot see any resemblance there.

And back to the main point...what business does any 19 year old have earning an annual salary of £2 million anyway?  It's all wrong.  How can the people involved in clubs like these actually believe in what they are doing when money like that is changing hands?

Players have been pissing careers up the wall, since the beginning of football....money isn't really anything to do with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 19:34:13
That Crawley match summed up the whole season.....gutless.

Smith got crunched off the ball and the players did nothing....terrible season..

I did enjoy the crushing victory at Crawley last season...have that you fat crooked cunt.



Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 20:08:46
Players have been pissing careers up the wall, since the beginning of football....money isn't really anything to do with it.

To put Michael Johnson into context as well, he really was meant to be the next big thing - a la Jack Wilshere. I remember the pundits purring over him, as did Eriksson. He looked like he had twice the time on the ball than anybody around him - so City paid him the earth (sadly the going rate for a top class player to be) and gave him a long term contract.

I had no idea about what had happened since. Perhaps he knows full well his career is over (before it really started) and just enjoyed life, courtesy of some bountiful oil supplies in the east. Can you blame him?

The joke is that on seeing he'd been released, I wondered (before seeing the Greggs ad photos of him) who'd go and grab a bargain. He makes Gareth Hall look an athlete. I think we should give him a miss!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 20:12:05
We saw how much weight Chris Martin lost under Paolo, I wonder what Johnson could achieve here?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 20:17:11
Notice today that Watford have just signed a player from Udinese...........on a five and a half year contract :eek:

Madness,i can see it going tits up there bringing in players on those kind of contracts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 20:17:17
What's wrong with football? Players/officials harassing referees to get players sent off for a pretty tame one-footed tackle! Skip straight to 53 mins 20 secs to watch it all unfold!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uupxaPRlmE

Steve Evans is such a twat. Glad we twatted them 6-0 over two games last season!

EDIT: also watch on as David 'believes he's Jesus' Prutton does absolutely nothing to stick up for his team-mates! All in it together eh lads! That's why i love McCormack, like an Irish bare-knuckle boxer fighting for his family's honour, he's straight in there everytime things get tasty!!



I can't watch that, even thinking about that game makes me feel cold again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 20:25:20
Notice today that Watford have just signed a player from Udinese...........on a five and a half year contract :eek:

Madness,i can see it going tits up there bringing in players on those kind of contracts.
Watford and Udinese share the same owners, so no doubt something dodgy going on there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:08:12

I can't watch that, even thinking about that game makes me feel cold again.
That's definitely the coldest I've ever been whilst watching a match.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:22:34
I've just read another Guardian article about Johnson. I take back my defence of him - it sounds like he has managed to throw it away rather than it purely being injury.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 21:49:59
Sorry if it's already been said, but I think Kompany deserves some credit for this:

"No grudges against the referee, I understand the difficulty of the job,"

Regarding his (subsequently overturned) dismissal.  Although I guess this was whilst his appeal was pending so perhaps he *would* be more polite about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, January 15, 2013, 22:23:07
We saw how much weight Chris Martin lost under Paolo, I wonder what Johnson could achieve here?!

A good 4-5 stone I reckon. Which going by Martin's weight loss, about 10 weeks under Paolo. Maybe he can pull his finger out, move down south and let Paolo get him back on track. If Paolo can't, no one can.

(Much of this is tongue in cheek, before someone thinks I'm making Paolo out to be a miracle worker and jumps down my throat!)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 15:39:50
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/16/loic-remy-qpr-marseille-undisclosed

75k a week and he is likely to be playing Championship football next season.

Are QPR going to be the next Pompey?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 16:13:52
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/16/loic-remy-qpr-marseille-undisclosed

75k a week and he is likely to be playing Championship football next season.

Are QPR going to be the next Pompey?

Apparently he has a relegatuion release clause where he can leave on a free shuold QPR get releaged.

Im amazed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 16:47:40
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 17:22:35
going back to Michael Johnson:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/michael-johnson-reveals-mental-health-problems-which-contributed-to-end-of-manchester-city-career-8453906.html


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 17:35:16
What's wrong with football? Simple. To many fuckwits with massive egos running the game and too many fuckwits willing to pander to them.
Oh and money. Lots and lots of money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 17:40:46
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.

Guardiola wouldn't last 5 minutes in England, much too thin skinned...it'll be interesting to see how he gets on at Bayern.  It's good that things are bouyant in Germany, as we know how they react to a good recession.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 19:00:40
It will be good to see whether Guardiola is as good as everyone says he is, most people would win things with that Barca team.

Glad he hasn't gone to either Manchester club or Chelsea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 19:49:02
Saw this in the news today. "Hit man in footie shooting": " A footballer was shot in front of 150 spectators as he warmed up for a match, Alan Jopson 27, was hit three times in the legs after the masked gunman jogged on to the pitch. Mr Jopson, who was treated in hospital was playing for amateur side Alder in Woolton Liverpool. Mersey side police confirms that the shooting was a targeted attack but added the motive was not yet known "
When I saw the headline I expected it to of happened in somewhere like Brazil not Liverpool.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 22:04:41
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.

Thanks for the link. Depressing but true.

I heard the tail end of an interview with the FA's David Bernstein today. The price of tickets and player wages were, according to him, down to market forces, and therefore nothing to do with him. The sooner the FA Premier League devours itself the better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 22:32:00
Using the Arsenal v Man City ticket price for away fans to argue about football being too expensive is complete and utter bollocks. Away fans get charged the same as home fans for the same quality seat (that Guardian article was written to give the impression this is not the case).

Plus the price wasn't that extortionate; £62 for Arsenal vs Man City at the Emirates or £25 for Swindon vs Shrewsbury at the Country Ground - it ain't the Arsenal / Man City fans that are getting screwed over.

Double plus, you can pay a lot more than £62 for a concert, play, meal, train ticket and loads of other things.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 22:40:36
Using the Arsenal v Man City ticket price for away fans to argue about football being too expensive is complete and utter bollocks. Away fans get charged the same as home fans for the same quality seat (that Guardian article was written to give the impression this is not the case).

Plus the price wasn't that extortionate; £62 for Arsenal vs Man City at the Emirates or £25 for Swindon vs Shrewsbury at the Country Ground - it ain't the Arsenal / Man City fans that are getting screwed over.

Double plus, you can pay a lot more than £62 for a concert, play, meal, train ticket and loads of other things.

Football has traditionally been for the working man.  For fans of Arsenal, Man City and the like, it's now a middle class pursuit. 

To put it another way, you may pay £62 for a meal but I doubt many in the working classes would, especially not every Saturday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 22:47:59
Usually the waiting staff will thank you before you leave the premises.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: nevillew on Friday, January 18, 2013, 14:20:55
Usually the waiting staff will thank you before you leave the premises.

You're not expected to tip the stewards though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, January 18, 2013, 18:20:01
You're not expected to tip the stewards though.

Rio Ferdinand took offence when he got a tip last time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: nevillew on Friday, January 18, 2013, 18:23:12
It was a highbrow establishment though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Friday, January 18, 2013, 18:44:39
Football has traditionally been for the working man.  For fans of Arsenal, Man City and the like, it's now a middle class pursuit.  

To put it another way, you may pay £62 for a meal but I doubt many in the working classes would, especially not every Saturday.

Very true, but due to all manner of things, many people who would have grown up a generation or two ago as 'working class', now fall into the 'middle class' bracket.  Whether we like it or not, more disposable income = more expensive football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Friday, January 18, 2013, 18:54:57
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Friday, January 18, 2013, 19:44:31
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.

I had my first ever froffee coffee at Nottons, happy days indeed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 18, 2013, 20:07:14
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.


:thumb: Reg likes this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, January 18, 2013, 20:57:35
When i was 12 years old and living at The Limes childrens home i was given 50p pocket money every week....i felt incredibly rich though i was miffed one week when i posted said 50p in the letter box with a letter!
Anyhow that 50p would get me in the match as kids rate(35p)...5p return on the bus,5p for a program and 5p for a bag of chips.
If the weather was good i would walk which either got me a battered sausage....or a few goes at the arcade in Gorse Hill......or maybe about 200 blackjacks or fruit salads.
If i ever won a few pence in the arcade it would be beans on toast in Nottons.

I have a thing about food you know.

That bought a tear to a glass eye. Top man.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: blah blah on Monday, January 21, 2013, 16:50:21
I was talking to a Brighton "fan" who lives in Bristol today. He's just had his first visit to the Amex stadium. He was telling me how great it was with the padded seats and spacious concourses. He was even raving about how the away fans area is colour coded to the away teams colours, TVs showing their teams players, goals, etc and the bar there serves the away teams local brew.

Whatever happened to giving the away team the shittest part of the ground with a drainpipe against a wall for a toilet and making it almost an intimidating, exciting experience venturing on to another teams turf ? If anything sums up what is wrong with football these days, this does.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, January 21, 2013, 17:16:11
I was talking to a Brighton "fan" who lives in Bristol today. He's just had his first visit to the Amex stadium. He was telling me how great it was with the padded seats and spacious concourses. He was even raving about how the away fans area is colour coded to the away teams colours, TVs showing their teams players, goals, etc and the bar there serves the away teams local brew.

Whatever happened to giving the away team the shittest part of the ground with a drainpipe against a wall for a toilet and making it almost an intimidating, exciting experience venturing on to another teams turf ? If anything sums up what is wrong with football these days, this does.

Word...

I like being shoved into a shitty corner...makes the victory sweet and/or unites the fans in their misery..

Exeters dogshit terrace and 'write your name in piss' black wall urinal sums this up niceley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Monday, January 21, 2013, 18:19:08
I was talking to a Brighton "fan" who lives in Bristol today. He's just had his first visit to the Amex stadium. He was telling me how great it was with the padded seats and spacious concourses. He was even raving about how the away fans area is colour coded to the away teams colours, TVs showing their teams players, goals, etc and the bar there serves the away teams local brew.

Whatever happened to giving the away team the shittest part of the ground with a drainpipe against a wall for a toilet and making it almost an intimidating, exciting experience venturing on to another teams turf ? If anything sums up what is wrong with football these days, this does.

I enjoy a shitty terrace as much as the next bloke, but that sounds great...I quite like Jennings beer, so I'll have to go and watch Carlisle play them!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Monday, January 21, 2013, 18:42:24
This thread can be summed up quite easily.

What is wrong with football? Its a game run by corrupt cunts, played by cheating braindead cunts and those who follow it passionately tend to be sadcases with nothing better to do.

Give me cricket, golf, rugby, boxing or nigh on any other sport.

Yours,
A once passionate Town ST holder who got bored and grew out of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Monday, January 21, 2013, 18:44:32
This thread can be summed up quite easily.

What is wrong with football? Its a game run by corrupt cunts, played by cheating braindead cunts and those who follow it passionately tend to be sadcases with nothing better to do.

Give me cricket, golf, rugby, boxing or nigh on any other sport.

Yours,
A once passionate Town ST holder who got bored and grew out of it.

Have you gone off football by any chance?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Monday, January 21, 2013, 18:46:25
What gave it away :)


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Monday, January 21, 2013, 18:51:38
This thread can be summed up quite easily.

What is wrong with football? Its a game run by corrupt cunts, played by cheating braindead cunts and those who follow it passionately tend to be sadcases with nothing better to do.

Give me cricket, golf, rugby, boxing or nigh on any other sport.

Yours,
A once passionate Town ST holder who got bored and grew out of it.

Although I am one of those sadcases I am inclined to agree with almost all of that.

Not sure if your argument is that it's run by corrupt cunts and played by braindead cunts that boxing is the best counterexample though!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Drakes Way on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 03:09:44
Very ordinary footballers earning more money in a week than the rest of us do in a decade.

That and diving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 06:45:11
Another good piece in the Guardian at the moment by Will Hutton.  I don't agree with everything he writes by any means, but think he makes some really good points here, particularly in relation to the comparison with German football.

Guardian: The beautiful game embodies everything that's bad about Britain (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/13/football-everything-bad-about-britain)

No surprise that Guardiola has gone to Bayern.  For so many reasons, I'd be a lot more confident about the future of German football than our own game.

It's not all rosy though over here. Lots of "crowd control" problems, specially in the lower leagues. This was from a recent Bundesliga game.

http://www.thelocal.de/sport/20130123-47495.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dporter on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 08:32:47
It's not all rosy though over here. Lots of "crowd control" problems, specially in the lower leagues. This was from a recent Bundesliga game.

http://www.thelocal.de/sport/20130123-47495.html

Ooh, didn't realise it was such an issue over there. Hoping to go to a Hertha game in February, are they known for crowd trouble?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 09:19:54
Ooh, didn't realise it was such an issue over there. Hoping to go to a Hertha game in February, are they known for crowd trouble?

There have been some lower league games in the last couple of years where police presence has been in the several 100's for crowds of a few thousand. These games are predominantly between teams in the former East Germany area. I don't follow the Bundesliga that closely, but as you can read in the article there is a background of flare-throwing etc. I don't think there is actually much trouble between fans in the Bundesliga, on many occasions I've seen groups of loud (often drunk) away fans here in Munich, but never seen any scrapping etc. The same when British teams come here, Chelsea last year for instance, thousands of fans from both sides on the streets but I never saw or heard of any trouble. (The Bayern fans were under shock, millions of euros expected income lost by the bars in Munich. Plenty of Schadenfreude  :) )

As long as your match isn't between Hertha and Union Berlin you should be ok. A lot of BL games are sold out, you've probably got your tickets sorted.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 22:10:32
You know something's gone wrong in football when even the ball-boys are rolling around like they've just been shot.

And when football players are kicking ball boys.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: hobodan on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 01:31:01
That ball boy deserved more than a kick in the ribs; he was blatantly lying on the ball to prevent Hazard from taking a quick throw in. I was under the impression a ball boy's job is to retrieve the ball for both teams?
If anything Swansea should be punished and the ball boy should be shot for his dramatics


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 06:53:34
That ball boy deserved more than a kick in the ribs; he was blatantly lying on the ball to prevent Hazard from taking a quick throw in. I was under the impression a ball boy's job is to retrieve the ball for both teams?
If anything Swansea should be punished and the ball boy should be shot for his dramatics

This.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 07:31:37
That ball boy deserved more than a kick in the ribs; he was blatantly lying on the ball to prevent Hazard from taking a quick throw in. I was under the impression a ball boy's job is to retrieve the ball for both teams?
If anything Swansea should be punished and the ball boy should be shot for his dramatics


it's a contact sport, he should be able to dust himself down and stop being a cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 08:24:45
The DFL over here making a fuss and bother about Bengalos (flares)/pyro and how they are such a problem - pathetic if you ask me.

No Hertha BSC are OK, I went there earlier in the year to watch my team and most of the time fans of both teams share the same entrance to the ground and can mingle freely


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, January 26, 2013, 00:59:50
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8439699/West-Brom-forward-Peter-Odemwingie-wants-to-be-allowed-to-leave-the-club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, February 4, 2013, 23:15:23
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8471805/Wycombe-goalkeeper-Jordan-Archer-attacked-by-fan-during-1-0-win-at-Gillingham

Gillingham fans eh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:16:34
I watched the Gillingham game. The summariser at half time (Matt Lawrence) was slating Gillingham's support basically saying how quiet they are.

I thought Wycombe were excellent actually and seem to have a real togetherness. Ainsworth went onto the pitch and hugged every player after the match and looked like he meant it. I fancy them for a play-off spot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:17:26
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8471805/Wycombe-goalkeeper-Jordan-Archer-attacked-by-fan-during-1-0-win-at-Gillingham

Gillingham fans eh

Looks like the stewards in the corner were clapping the incident!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:25:11
Gillingham are a nasty club with nasty fans, they deserve all the punishment possible for this awful pitch invasion and player attack.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:28:10
Note the Leeds fan in the first comment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:35:25
Note the Leeds fan in the first comment.
One little point too, the Lids fan did it in front of 28,500 fans the Gills fan in front of 4,500.

Still the media do hate Lids and rightly so!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 10:19:13
I thought it was quite funny the way he is flying through the air.

All it needs is a loud 'wheyyyyyyyyy'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:04:26
Looks like the stewards in the corner were clapping the incident!

Might have been St John ambulance, happy to perhaps have something to do :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:27:45
The governing bodies. Corrupt, inept, unintelligent, badly run, or all four. Blatant favouritism creeps in too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 18:13:52
Watch Gillingscum completely implode and get ko'd in the play-off semi finals


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 19:12:44
Gillingham are a nasty club with nasty fans, they deserve all the punishment possible for this awful pitch invasion and player attack.

No doubt they'll claim it's an isolated incident, a single fan and that the club shouldn't be punished. But it looked like a large number of Gillingham fans were applauding it. There is a nasty element at a number of clubs but for some reason the authorities seem hesitant to do anything at all about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 20:02:48
If you lived down here you'd know that a large number of Gillingscum fans are complete cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 20:29:57
If you lived down here you'd know that a large number of Gillingscum fans are complete cunts
You don't need to live there to form that opinion, just a few visits to Preistfield will tell you that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 22:51:10
A fan ran onto the pitch at the Coventry game tonight, Coventry player try's to trip him up and is given a 2nd yellow and sent off for kicking out . Was he supposed to of let the fan smack one of the players before anyone tried to stop him !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: GoSWINDON on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 22:55:43
A fan ran onto the pitch at the Coventry game tonight, Coventry player try's to trip him up and is given a 2nd yellow and sent off for kicking out . Was he supposed to of let the fan smack one of the players before anyone tried to stop him !

i saw the incident on ssn but didnt realise the player was sent off , what a joke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 23:42:36
A fan ran onto the pitch at the Coventry game tonight, Coventry player try's to trip him up and is given a 2nd yellow and sent off for kicking out . Was he supposed to of let the fan smack one of the players before anyone tried to stop him !
Seriously? That's bloody ridiculous if true (not doubting you btw NR)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 00:02:19
But entirely according to the laws of the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 00:04:41
But entirely according to the laws of the game.
Yeah it is but this is ' what's wrong with football "


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 00:09:48
Hence it being the rules that are wrong.  There was a clip from a Leeds Chelsea game in the 70's I think where a defender takes a fan out who came on and started dribbling with the ball, somehow the law didn't apply then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 00:15:56
Hence it being the rules that are wrong.  There was a clip from a Leeds Chelsea game in the 70's I think where a defender takes a fan out who came on and started dribbling with the ball, somehow the law didn't apply then.
Probably happened quite a few times since too, didn't see the other four Coventry players who grabbed the fan get booked though !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 00:18:52
This is how to deal with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIV_RmLkzM0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 09:15:43
Hence it being the rules that are wrong.  There was a clip from a Leeds Chelsea game in the 70's I think where a defender takes a fan out who came on and started dribbling with the ball, somehow the law didn't apply then.

Running onto the pitch in those days used to be a laugh.

Sadly nowadays it seems only drunken Chav idiots are running on the pitch and things are more serious.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 17:35:25
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2013/02/21/huddersfield-town-faced-points-deduction-if-hull-game-not-on-sky-86081-32850056/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 21:01:04
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2013/02/21/huddersfield-town-faced-points-deduction-if-hull-game-not-on-sky-86081-32850056/

Fucking hell, the tail is wagging the dog there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:09:07
http://audioboo.fm/boos/1225366-ever-left-a-game-early-and-missed-the-best-bit

people who leave before the end of the game


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:10:31
 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 22:11:03
Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Thursday, February 21, 2013, 23:00:01
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2013/02/21/huddersfield-town-faced-points-deduction-if-hull-game-not-on-sky-86081-32850056/

That's fucking nuts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RWB Robin on Friday, February 22, 2013, 09:30:04
That's fucking nuts.
Agreed.  A real sign of the times as to what really runs football now.  Money from TV rights is the first and only priority.  How can they deduct points for this?  I know the Police generally are becoming much tougher, and not just because of security risks but because of their own financial straits, but somewhere this is all getting very, very confused.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, February 22, 2013, 11:17:22
How can they deduct points for this?

By they I take it you mean the Football League, which is run by and for the benefit of the clubs. The clubs choose who runs it and have a say in the TV deals that are agree. If they don't like the deal they shouldn't have agreed to it. If a club doesn't keep to the deal why should they benefit from it without penalty the same as clubs that do keep to it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Friday, February 22, 2013, 22:07:45
http://audioboo.fm/boos/1225366-ever-left-a-game-early-and-missed-the-best-bit

people who leave before the end of the game

Janaageisgod may have a story to tell here...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 12:35:38
This

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21604568

Could have been a lot worse than Jed and Co chums...

Here's an owner that really understands football

Quote
Tan referred to the dissenting voices as "a bunch of mostly young kids" and argued a change was long overdue.
"Have they achieved any success under this bluebirds brand?," he asked "So why do we hold onto something that hasn't achieved much success?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 13:33:09
Ive just booked parking at the ricoh arena for saturday.  Booking parking in advance.  Thats a sign of whats wrong with football and Im doing it.  So Im whats wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 13:42:33
This

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21604568

Could have been a lot worse than Jed and Co chums...

Here's an owner that really understands football


I'd be alright with re-branding us red and calling ourselves the Swindon Spartans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 13:56:48
Ive just booked parking at the ricoh arena for saturday.  Booking parking in advance.  Thats a sign of whats wrong with football and Im doing it.  So Im whats wrong with football.

Haha I considered that.

Then I snapped out of it and will stick with the tried and tested method of turning up and looking for some industrial estate to park in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, February 28, 2013, 17:10:19
Ive just booked parking at the ricoh arena for saturday.  Booking parking in advance.  Thats a sign of whats wrong with football and Im doing it.  So Im whats wrong with football.

Yeah because that queueing up for an hour behind 300 cars with their drivers all inching forward until they fumble for pound coins in front of a bloke in a shed was always the highlight of any awayday........?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, March 2, 2013, 19:11:03
FIFA.

If Qatar cannot hold the WC when they are supposed to, take it away from them. I believe this was always the plan to switch it to Winter. The air conditioned indoor stadiums was always bollocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 15:16:42
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/07/qpr-accounts-wage-bill-spending-spree

Wherever Redknapp goes, carnage ensues!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 15:24:48
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/07/qpr-accounts-wage-bill-spending-spree

Wherever Redknapp goes, carnage ensues!

In fairness, Mark Hughes has always been able to spend a fair bit, although Harry will have added to that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 15:49:51
Having seen Mr Ferdinand's reaction to the ref on Tuesday, I reckon we should trial this (not to be broadcast, although I'd love to see just what shit refs get) and let someone issue bans for inappropriate behaviour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur69HDsCSus


On the flip side, however, I'd like to see ref's being more accountable and explaining why they made certain decisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 16:06:50
Would be fascinating in football but the barrier to live broadcast of swearing and verbal abuse from the current crop of top class 'professionals' in our game will be difficult to surmount for a long time yet. Even just a muted version would be good though for indicating what sort of view a referee gets of an incident, something often debated in post-match analysis.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 16:45:02
Would be fascinating in football but the barrier to live broadcast of swearing and verbal abuse from the current crop of top class 'professionals' in our game will be difficult to surmount for a long time yet. Even just a muted version would be good though for indicating what sort of view a referee gets of an incident, something often debated in post-match analysis.

Whenever I've seen the broadcasting of the ref's audio being broadcast discussed the consensus has always been that the swearing from players would end immediately - the top clubs would stop it as it would be far too damaging for their image and embarrassing. Though that's probably the main reason clubs would try and block it.

Would be a good move and could only be an improvement, should help reduce the abuse refs get as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 16:51:00
Whenever I've seen the broadcasting of the ref's audio being broadcast discussed the consensus has always been that the swearing from players would end immediately


Ha. Yeah, right.

Not a fucking chance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:01:34
Try thinking it through before reaching a conclusion.

Having players swearing at each other and the referee broadcast all over the world (they'd never be able to bleep it all) to millions of people would be highly damaging to the image of the PL, the clubs and the players themselves.

Do you really think sponsors like Aon and Emirates would be happy for their logo to be on the shirts of players screaming out non-stop expletives? They'd be terminating their deals on the spot, losing clubs millions and millions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:06:47
You try thinking it through Johnny, you're not being very practical here. Do you really think you would be able to stop them from swearing?

When somebody misses an important goal or is fouled how do you think they are going to react? Oh gosh. What a rotter

Footballers tend to be from working class backgrounds and poorly educated at that. Plus they are working in a high pressure environment where a lot is at stake and they are going to vent.

There would not be a snowball's chance in hell of stopping them from swearing. Reduce it maybe. Stop it, not a chance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:18:11
Someone posted this here a couple of months ago which seems pertinent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ruNosLNOE


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:24:47
Here is what football would be like if the ref's mics were made public;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXoBNFOxlQM


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:27:50
 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:30:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04EHwofdv3M


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 17:51:56
It's a well known fact that cricketers never use naughty words or are mean to one another


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 18:23:59
New Zealand were mean to England last night. Actually I think England were mean to themselves.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: penhillbilly on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 19:25:14
Whenever I've seen the broadcasting of the ref's audio being broadcast discussed the consensus has always been that the swearing from players would end immediately - the top clubs would stop it as it would be far too damaging for their image and embarrassing. Though that's probably the main reason clubs would try and block it.

Would be a good move and could only be an improvement, should help reduce the abuse refs get as well.

oh please,do fuck off and eat you're tofu dip at Twickenham, thank you   :baby:...swearing is an integral part of the game and long may it remain so... :cunty:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 7, 2013, 23:20:25
I know it's a bit off thread, but I've really taken to RU in the past few years (mostly because I can drink during the game).  It would be interesting to see a ref try and treat the players like a RU ref does in football.  It is rather amusing watching 20 stone lumps saying please and thank you Sir.  Of course the fucking swear, try having someone stamp on your head legally, but they seem to be well controlled by the refs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 21:34:43
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal# (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal#)

The idea that in the future if we went up to the Championship as a newly promoted club, we'd be getting just under a 10th of the money given in parachute payments to a newly relegated club, and still be expected to compete under FFP. Fucking ridiculous.

Clubs like ours will just have no chance of progressing at that level in the future.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 21:44:02
Fucking hell even the difference in money between this level and the next up is staggering. If we go up we will benefit from 2 million in extra revenue just from TV money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, March 29, 2013, 22:46:02
Maybe all the facts haven't come out but I can't get my head round the latest racism claims against the England fans.

Apparently against San Marino they were singing 'build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Rio on the top, put Anton in the middle, then burn the f****** lot'. Not a particularly nice thing to sing, extremely offensive but where is the racism?

It appears FARE (who made the complaint) base the claim of racism on the fact the song included Anton and that as he'd been involved in a racism case recently, then the song must be racist. I really don't get the logic.

Things like this can only have a negative impact on the fight against racism. No doubt it's just another person / organisation trying to make a name for themselves by getting in the middle of a racism scandal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Fred Elliot on Friday, March 29, 2013, 22:57:32
Maybe all the facts haven't come out but I can't get my head round the latest racism claims against the England fans.

Apparently against San Marino they were singing 'build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Rio on the top, put Anton in the middle, then burn the f****** lot'. Not a particularly nice thing to sing, extremely offensive but where is the racism?

It appears FARE (who made the complaint) base the claim of racism on the fact the song included Anton and that as he'd been involved in a racism case recently, then the song must be racist. I really don't get the logic.

Things like this can only have a negative impact on the fight against racism. No doubt it's just another person / organisation trying to make a name for themselves by getting in the middle of a racism scandal.

I can honestly say that I have only ever met 3 truly racist people in my life and guess what



They were all black with massive chips on their shoulders


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Saturday, March 30, 2013, 19:17:06
I can honestly say that I have only ever met 3 truly racist people in my life and guess what



They were all black with massive chips on their shoulders

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, March 30, 2013, 20:31:24
Should this thread be re-titled "What's wrong with racism?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: skay on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 00:34:26
Any song to the tune of 'Sloop John B' is what's wrong with football. Also the away goals rule, music after goals, birthday announcements 5 minutes from the end of an important match, the fact that sky think football started in 1992,  the transfer window, postponed matches, drums at any ground and the england band now i mention drums, Franchise, moving to a shit cliche of a bowl ground nowhere near your city centre or train station, FA cup semi finals at Wembley, the price for a meal deal at Wembley, half and half scarves, any northern ground that doesn't supply a fish and chips quality to that of Crewes, that we don't put all away fans out on the bank especially if it's a rainy cold midweek match,  any reason for supporting your club that isn't the fact that your club is/was your local club. The fact that I have to get up at 6 o'clock to ensure that I get to Doncaster promptly because Sky are fucking tosspots. Rant probably not over.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 09:35:54
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal# (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal#)

The idea that in the future if we went up to the Championship as a newly promoted club, we'd be getting just under a 10th of the money given in parachute payments to a newly relegated club, and still be expected to compete under FFP. Fucking ridiculous.

Clubs like ours will just have no chance of progressing at that level in the future.

The only counter to that argument is that it's been a pretty uneven playing field for ages, and it hasn't stopped Blackpool, Swansea and Burnley getting there, and it isn't helping Blackpool and Blackburn in the league right now.

It didn't stop Norwich, Southampton, Leeds, even Manchester City dropping to the third tier.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 09:59:34
Any song to the tune of 'Sloop John B' is what's wrong with football. Also the away goals rule, music after goals, birthday announcements 5 minutes from the end of an important match, the fact that sky think football started in 1992,  the transfer window, postponed matches, drums at any ground and the england band now i mention drums, Franchise, moving to a shit cliche of a bowl ground nowhere near your city centre or train station, FA cup semi finals at Wembley, the price for a meal deal at Wembley, half and half scarves, any northern ground that doesn't supply a fish and chips quality to that of Crewes, that we don't put all away fans out on the bank especially if it's a rainy cold midweek match,  any reason for supporting your club that isn't the fact that your club is/was your local club. The fact that I have to get up at 6 o'clock to ensure that I get to Doncaster promptly because Sky are fucking tosspots. Rant probably not over.

This

Pretty much sums up the way I feel about football TM PLC in the year 2013.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Sunday, March 31, 2013, 11:43:12
The only counter to that argument is that it's been a pretty uneven playing field for ages, and it hasn't stopped Blackpool, Swansea and Burnley getting there, and it isn't helping Blackpool and Blackburn in the league right now.

It didn't stop Norwich, Southampton, Leeds, even Manchester City dropping to the third tier.

I agree.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=51066.msg1177370#msg1177370 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=51066.msg1177370#msg1177370)

If you get lucky with the magic combination of teamwork and players it can work. But you do have to get lucky, and you're working to severely reduced odds made worse when the rise in parachute payments for the bigger teams is exacerbated by the restrictions (which I do support) of FFP on the smaller ones.

It's just establishing the current (rotten) financial cycle: wages keep rising meaning parachute payments have to keep rising to underwrite them meaning teams in the Prem can be more reckless and willing to gamble more money on staying up meaning the players wages keep rising etc. etc. creating a greater and greater divide between the upper and lower divisions.

The problem is tackling the symptom (we need to be able to underwrite our players high wages) but not the cause (the players wages are too high).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, April 13, 2013, 21:19:01
Millwall fans at it again, though at least they were just fighting amongst themselves this time.

How many times has this happened with their fans?

When are the authorities going to do something about it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 13:46:02
Sepp Blatter wallowing in his own corpulence at the end of this article makes my skin crawl.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22351630


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 15:38:23
Sepp Blatter wallowing in his own corpulence at the end of this article makes my skin crawl.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22351630

The question is why it's taken so long. It must be around 20 years since 'How They Stole The Game' was published which is the story how Havelange used bungs to get into FIFA, and took backhanders, and nearly 40 years after he did it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 16:47:26
Which is more evil and corrupt? FIFA or the IOC? It'd be a close run thing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 16:53:30
Which is more evil and corrupt? FIFA or the IOC? It'd be a close run thing

Oh god, no it wouldn't, FIFA every time. The IOC's only been corrupt since that filthy Belgian Rogge took power. FIFA's been corrupt for decades.

The question is why it's taken so long. It must be around 20 years since 'How They Stole The Game' was published which is the story how Havelange used bungs to get into FIFA, and took backhanders, and nearly 40 years after he did it.

Because everyone in the organisation is taking huge bribes, they want to wait till one of their ex-members is about to cop it until they accuse him. Spotlight off them, people get their hate figure, and he doesn't have to suffer it for long. Boom. Problem sorted for a little bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 17:05:57
Quote
The IOC's only been corrupt since that filthy Belgian Rogge took power. FIFA's been corrupt for decades.

You are either Juan Antonio Samaranch, or his mum. :)

Though Jack Warner has to be the most vile little weasel in world sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 17:19:07
You are either Juan Antonio Samaranch, or his mum. :)

CURSES, FOILED AGAIN.

If you're referring to him opening up the IOC as a global brand billboard, instead of one that supported local businesses, it was only a matter of time before that happened. I don't think it should be that way, and don't thank him for it, but it does just seem to be the way everything goes eventually.

Though Jack Warner has to be the most vile little weasel in world sport who's been caught.

Fixed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 17:49:09

Fixed.

Good point, well made.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 18:23:14
Millwall fans at it again, though at least they were just fighting amongst themselves this time.

How many times has this happened with their fans?

When are the authorities going to do something about it?

Millwall,Palace tonight...sell out and that will be very tasty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 19:48:17
So a 96 year old resigns having taken shitloads of money - as does an 86 year old. They don't have to repay anything either. Fuck me that'll teach them. So what happened to Texeira? But its alright as Blatter was totally exonerated and that concludes the investigation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 20:51:27
I couldn't think of the right place to put this, but I feel at least part of the story will belong in this thread.

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An interesting little tale from The Den, where Millwall substituted Dany N'Guessan off just 15 minutes after bringing him on - and he wasn't injured. He was booed by his own fans as he took his time in walking off the pitch. He ignored manager Kenny Jackett and walked down the tunnel.

From the live ticker on the BBC website. Anyone heard anything about this?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, May 6, 2013, 12:39:48
You can buy a 300 piece puzzle of Manchester United's Finance Director

http://www.amazon.co.uk/portrait-Manchester-United-Finance-Director/dp/B002113DSW/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_5


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 6, 2013, 12:42:59
Amazing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, May 6, 2013, 12:44:07
The reviews are brilliant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 6, 2013, 13:11:51
It's a pity the club didn't do one of Sandy Gray whilst she was here. It would've been a money spinner.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Monday, May 6, 2013, 19:05:15
It's a pity the club didn't do one of Sandy Gray whilst she was here. It would've been a money spinner.

And 17.5% cheaper than other puzzles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 09:48:29
Clayton Fucking Donaldson


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 09:53:38
The rapist song that was aimed at him amused but also confused me... was it a case of mistaken identity??


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 09:56:10
Yes, Clayton McDonald was acquitted in the Ched Evans trial


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:49:14
And 17.5% cheaper than other puzzles.
Instead of the VAT do you get Christian Roberts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 11:07:56
I've never understood people who have a favourite Formula One team. (They'll be dancing in the streets of Marussia Cosworth tonight) and football's become like that. It's interesting to watch the best people in the world do something they're good at, but that doesn't sustain a deep, 92 club culture of the game.

"What's wrong with football" is that Bournemouth fan on the other thread, not recognising he's irrelevant. In the same way every Man City fan, every Chelsea fan and even every QPR fan is. He's the sort of fan that leads to idiots like Venky's buying clubs.

Bournemouth's success is entirely due to Mr A.N. Other dodgy businessman laundering cash through hugely loss-making investments. The fact that they are playing football is almost beside the point. They could be Bournemouth, Burnley or Bradford. The connection between the club and the fan is irrelevant.

The only thing - literally the only thing McCoy has said that I like is that he wants the club embedded in the community. There are only a handful of clubs left that do it properly (and you could probably find reasons to exclude all of them) with a local chairman, commitment to youth and their community. Maybe Crewe, Middlesborough, Swansea, West Brom and perhaps Palace. Forest and Southampton used to be good examples, but have sold out.

</rant>


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 11:28:46
Bournemouth's success is entirely due to Mr A.N. Other dodgy businessman laundering cash through hugely loss-making investments. </rant>


That can't possibly be true, he must've passed the FA's extensive fit-and-proper persons test so.... 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 10:59:37
Tim Lovejoy has got a new show. Here's that book review again to aid retention of sanity:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 11:59:09
Tim Lovejoy has got a new show. Here's that book review again to aid retention of sanity:

http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/42-Media/145-no-love-no-joy

Love that article. This thread doesn't need 16 pages. It needs the words "Tim Lovejoy" and it can then be locked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 12:17:46
“The hardest thing about leaving ­Soccer AM, is the thought that I might no longer be influencing the game.”

[url width=228 height=283]http://thefastertimes.com/famehype/files/2011/01/ricky_gervais_16246.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Thursday, May 9, 2013, 12:24:19
He's a cock of the highest order, a 40 something old man trying to live the life of a 22 year old with the views of a blinkered pony.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: carbonwhite on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 02:25:15
He's a cock of the highest order, a 40 something old man trying to live the life of a 22 year old with the views of a blinkered pony.
Reminds me of Pat Sharp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 06:55:26
The only thing - literally the only thing McCoy has said that I like is that he wants the club embedded in the community. There are only a handful of clubs left that do it properly (and you could probably find reasons to exclude all of them) with a local chairman, commitment to youth and their community. Maybe Crewe, Middlesborough, Swansea, West Brom and perhaps Palace. Forest and Southampton used to be good examples, but have sold out.

Burnley seem to be a club that engages the local community and is punching above its weight.

Its a shame, but the community of Swindon is far removed from Burnley when it comes to buying in to the local football team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:09:50
He's a cock of the highest order, a 40 something old man trying to live the life of a 22 year old with the views of a blinkered pony.

Like most of the posters on here then really......  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:12:29
Burnley seem to be a club that engages the local community and is punching above its weight.

Its a shame, but the community of Swindon is far removed from Burnley when it comes to buying in to the local football team.

I agree.  Just by taking a look at a map, you can see that Burnley is significantly smaller than Swindon...and yet they manage to hold their own in the Championship year after year with crowds well in excess of ours.

Another example I'd add to the list is Ipswich.  Again, smaller than Swindon.  But they are much more embedded in the local community - as their crowds and their history suggest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:17:05
The only thing - literally the only thing McCoy has said that I like is that he wants the club embedded in the community.

That won't happen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:33:42
17:15 kick off at Wembley today. That's what's wrong with football!


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:38:17
I didn't even realise it was the FA cup final today. Not sure if that says more about me or more about the lack of gravitas that the final now holds. Both probably.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 07:42:41
I hadn't even realised it was today either. The FA Cup final should be the weekend after the league season finishes. Stupid UEFA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 10:09:53
I agree.  Just by taking a look at a map, you can see that Burnley is significantly smaller than Swindon...and yet they manage to hold their own in the Championship year after year with crowds well in excess of ours.

Another example I'd add to the list is Ipswich.  Again, smaller than Swindon.  But they are much more embedded in the local community - as their crowds and their history suggest.

Having been out in Burnley after we played Accrington, their success may be more down to a lack of anything else to do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 10:23:58
Having been out in Burnley after we played Accrington, their success may be more down to a lack of anything else to do.

Surely with Blackburn and Bradford not far...oh I see your point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 10:30:59
There is often a comparison in relative sizes of Town's when we look at stuff like this, but isn't the problem that although Swindon has grown dramatically in size over the years most of the people that have moved in have done so to commute elsewhere and don't really have much (if any) history with the Town.

What Swindon have appeared to fail to do over the years is get the local kids hooked, and build a crowd for the future.

I don't know the actual numbers, but I've always though that it appears as if a big percentage of Town's fans come from the outlying areas rather than the Town itself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 10:39:16
There is often a comparison in relative sizes of Town's when we look at stuff like this, but isn't the problem that although Swindon has grown dramatically in size over the years most of the people that have moved in have done so to commute elsewhere and don't really have much (if any) history with the Town.

What Swindon have appeared to fail to do over the years is get the local kids hooked, and build a crowd for the future.

I don't know the actual numbers, but I've always though that it appears as if a big percentage of Town's fans come from the outlying areas rather than the Town itself.
As an ex-Stroud lad I was one of a large group growing up that started following the Town as it was our 'local' FL club. If we'd been growing up in the same area now then we would most likely have been drawn more to Cheltenham Town.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 11:18:18
Burnley seem to be a club that engages the local community and is punching above its weight.

Its a shame, but the community of Swindon is far removed from Burnley when it comes to buying in to the local football team.

The club can be accussed of many things down the years, but not engaging with the community isn't really one of them. Most community stuff is funded by grants, therefore various STFC boards have only been too happy to sign up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 12:23:54
Surely with Blackburn and Bradford not far...oh I see your point.

Bradford, random selection of club when referring to Burnley isn't it?

Just looked up on map, I had no idea Bradford was as close as it was (as the crow flies anyway).


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 14:05:36
Bradford, random selection of club when referring to Burnley isn't it?

Just looked up on map, I had no idea Bradford was as close as it was (as the crow flies anyway).
I meant as places for rob (and the Burnley populous) to go out in instead of Burnley, rather than alternative teams to support


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 17:12:15
Burnley is pretty much our town centre with Broad St area surrounding it, maybe with a bit of Parks thrown in.  Not pretty.  The football must be a godsend for the local populus.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 17:18:32
I meant as places for rob (and the Burnley populous) to go out in instead of Burnley, rather than alternative teams to support

I get you now, my point stands, as I never realised if you head east from Burnley then Bradford's where you'd get to (well ish). Never associated the two that close to each other, but they are.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 17:28:16
Andy fucking Townsend


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 17:34:18
Andy fucking Townsend

ITV's coverage as a whole


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:14:05
Wigan in Europe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:16:22
Wigan in Europe.

By just reaching the final, they were  going to be playing in Europe anyway...


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:25:41
Wigan in Europe.
I would put this in the what's right with football thread. Unfancied, squad that cost a fraction of Man City's,  proving that sometimes it's not just about money. Well done Wigan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:27:11
46 games, the domestic cups (inc. Charity Shield) and the Europa League format.

Long ol' season ahead for Wigan if they go down.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kaufman on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:37:15
ITV's coverage as a whole

Disagree with that, I'm the first to have a go at ITV but they got it right today.

The Subbuteo cup montage was something special.
The Whealan Cup final Leg Break story was covered well and they showed plenty of the past cup finals when the cup was more important to the nation.

Some great post match captures and best final i've seen since Liverpool v West Ham



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 18:44:47
Itv has never been the same since the ending of saint and greavsie


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:06:24
I would put this in the what's right with football thread. Unfancied, squad that cost a fraction of Man City's,  proving that sometimes it's not just about money. Well done Wigan.

You say that but, without Whelan's money, Wigan would be parading little more than the Johnstone's Paint Trophy.

It's a great achievement regardless because Wigan are among a collective of traditionally smaller teams who have thrived in the last decade yet have actually won a big trophy.

Swansea City: League Cup Winners - 2013
Wigan Athletic: FA Cup Winners - 2013

Here's a pointless and irrelevant stat: In 1996/97 - Wigan, Swansea, Fulham, Cardiff and Hull were all in Division 4 (Brighton were too only surviving on goal difference).

Swindon Town will get a committed, long-haul millionaire one day... Right?


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:24:04
I know Whelan's bankrolled the club. But you can't compare his investment with the money pumped into the top end of the premiership. I long for the day some Swindon millionaire decides to spunk all his money on us.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:29:49
I know Whelan's bankrolled the club. But you can't compare his investment with the money pumped into the top end of the premiership. I long for the day some Swindon millionaire decides to spunk all his money on us.

I think you can to an extent it's just different levels of money. There's a lot of people out there who get sanctimonious about big-time bankrolling. Personally, I also long for the day a person does that to Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:34:30
If someone wants to piss away millions on a football club I'm all for it, especially as at least some of the money will filter down the leagues through transfer fees. But only if they are giving the club the money as a gift. Unfortunately pretty much all the money put in to clubs is in the form of loans and that includes Wigan. If they don't want the money back, why give it as loans?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:37:15
 :doh:I'd love a Dave whelan type to sort out the shit we are in. Fair play to him and wigan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:45:14
If someone wants to piss away millions on a football club I'm all for it, especially as at least some of the money will filter down the leagues through transfer fees. But only if they are giving the club the money as a gift. Unfortunately pretty much all the money put in to clubs is in the form of loans and that includes Wigan. If they don't want the money back, why give it as loans?

Tax efficiency.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 19:48:05
Whalen has bank rolled them but they do a lot to be self sufficient, they have a great scouting network in south America which is where they pick a lot of their talent cheap and sell them off for large profits


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 11, 2013, 21:16:43
Whalen has bank rolled them but they do a lot to be self sufficient, they have a great scouting network in south America which is where they pick a lot of their talent cheap and sell them off for large profits

Having worked in Wigan for fours years (but thankfully no longer) whilst I don't know how much Whelan does bung in each year but it must be a fair amount.  It is deep in rugby league territory and football comes a far second,  no one I worked with went to football, they were all egg chasing fans (although strangely majority were Warrington rather than Wigan fans?) Where they do seem to do well is that unless it's one of the big north west teams visiting you can normally get a ticket,  lost count of number of friends who have taken their kids to first premier game there,  so suggest that they have a large proportion of casual non alliegence fans.

Oh and on the other issue we also had an office in Burnley and it is a very deprived and depressing place,  whilst it may be geographically close to Bradford as the Crow flies its separated by the pennines which make the drive pretty but inconvenient.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, May 14, 2013, 20:09:41
"Believe"

"Keep the faith"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 08:35:12
Whalen has bank rolled them but they do a lot to be self sufficient, they have a great scouting network in south America which is where they pick a lot of their talent cheap and sell them off for large profits
So does that make them good or bad? It does zero for English players and the national team that they have basically acted as some kind of cheap entry point for overseas players from "untapped markets", in South & Central America, with a fair chunk of their money to do it coming from foreign TV rights...

I suddenly feel like I am about to join UKIP after writing that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:50:33
Footballers!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22537941


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: cheltred69 on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 12:39:11
So does that make them good or bad? It does zero for English players and the national team that they have basically acted as some kind of cheap entry point for overseas players from "untapped markets", in South & Central America, with a fair chunk of their money to do it coming from foreign TV rights...

I suddenly feel like I am about to join UKIP after writing that.

But that's what the Premier League is all about. 
It has nothing to do with developing English players, and has set itself up to attract talent from across the world. The more countries having players in the PL, the wider the global spread of its brand. 
I enjoy watching PL games as a neutral but feel no affinity towards EPL clubs even when they're playing in European competitions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Thursday, May 16, 2013, 08:37:09
Agree 100%, though I am sure the idea of it helping the national team was one of the fig leaves used for the breakaway. That and our 1990 case totally fucking up relations between the FA and Football League.

Watching the Prem does feel like watching corporate franchises slug it out, despite the pretensions of clubs (yes this means you Liverpool) to uphold some grand set of values.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, May 18, 2013, 21:17:11
Play-off final winners awarded cups and medals as if they've won some decade-long inter-galactic cup competition.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Saturday, May 18, 2013, 22:44:07
I think Wigan are playing a good game in a bad market. The only way a club with a budget like they have can succeed in the Premier League is to get a load of really talented South Americans (or other continent) who are willing to play for £5-£10k a week, with the promise that if a bigger club comes knocking after a few of seasons they'll be allowed to leave for a reasonable return. English players are notoriously expensive, and they'd have to have developed them themselves, or nabbed them before a proper club did, ala Victor Moses, both of which are very rare nowadays.

I don't think you can criticise their approach. They do everything very well and have survived a number of seasons in the top flight, way above their natural level when considering support, through shrewd managerial appointments and a fruitful scouting network. For clubs working around our level it seems attainable; I'd be happy if we adopted their approach, though maybe with a bit more youth going on. A generous benefactor also helps.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:14:59
Yeovil on the brink of The Championship.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:31:17
Yeovil on the brink of The Championship.
Yep, because they have over spent and have the largest budget in the league.

Muppet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:34:01
Yeovil on the brink of The Championship.

I'll be pleased if they go up instead of Brentford.  Also puts two fingers up to the clubs (including us) who've had big budgets and overpaid players and got nowhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:36:39
The commentator said Yeovil have the smallest budget in League 1.

Them getting promoted would be what is right with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:37:50
Yep, because they have over spent and have the largest budget in the league.

Muppet.

When the fuck did I ever say that you stupid attention seeking streak of piss?

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:38:30
If there are any pictures of Donaldson looking dejected, post them up please. Could do with a good laugh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:47:39
When the fuck did I ever say that you stupid attention seeking streak of piss?

 :girlgiggle:
Whoosh...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:49:06
Whoosh...

No, not at all. Did you not see the ' :girlgiggle: ' ?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:51:29
Just looking at all the empty seats at Wembley, Cant recall seeing that many empty when we played there. I know the cost is probably part of the reason and maybe piss poor support. Okay, think i just answered my own question.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:52:29
Anyway Crispy. What makes you think Yeovil reaching the Championship (if they hold on) is something that is wrong with football?

I'm intrigued.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:53:42
Just looking at all the empty seats at Wembley, Cant recall seeing that many empty when we played there. I know the cost is probably part of the reason and maybe piss poor support. Okay, think i just answered my own question.
Cue load of comments about how the play offs should be held at Villa Park...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:55:59
Yeovil population 40,000, Yeovil fans at Wembley 20,000

That is anything but piss poor from them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:57:56
Anyway Crispy. What makes you think Yeovil reaching the Championship (if they hold on) is something that is wrong with football?

I'm intrigued.

They're shite, Play-Offs are shite, Brentford should should of gone up for finishing third. And yes I did say that before we played them. I've said it every year, Play-Offs are nothing more than money spinning rubbish. How is it fair that Swindon got a chance at promotion over Brentford?

And yes, I do know we got to the Premier League via the Play-Offs when we didn't finish 1 place outside the automatic spots.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 13:58:25
I think the playoffs should be held at the emerites or maybe villa park


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:37:25
If there are any pictures of Donaldson looking dejected, post them up please. Could do with a good laugh.

Bad luck Clayton...........

There's always next season!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:40:16
Dont think Harlee Dean will be sssshhing today 8)

[url width=768 height=1024]http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/tanswell2010/0704564948b4d4e3a3794c2d8cebde79.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 14:45:41
Twats like that in their team and the way their fans goaded us from the pitch at the end of the semi final is the exact reason I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them.

The only slightly gutting thing is that we could have beaten Yeovil today.  They offered very little.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dozno9 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 15:04:00
Thinking about his ssshhhh celebration and him sat in the changing room having lost is making me smiiiiiile.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 15:10:37
Football clubs and fans have understood since 1986/87 that if you finish immediately outside the automatic spots then you go in to the Play-Offs.

I still like them even after Brighton, Millwall and Brentford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 15:19:07
Football clubs and fans have understood since 1986/87 that if you finish immediately outside the automatic spots then you go in to the Play-Offs.

I still like them even after Brighton, Millwall and Brentford.
:nod:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:14:18
Brentford are cunts.

I have to put up with Yeovil fans insisting they're better than us on a regular basis.

There were no winners for me the moment we lost to Brentford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:20:08
I preferred the original playoffs, when the team 'just about good enough to stay up' played the teams 'not quite good enough to go up'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:22:23
Brentford are cunts.

I have to put up with Yeovil fans insisting they're better than us on a regular basis.

There were no winners for me the moment we lost to Brentford.
I have had 7 txts from Yeovil fans (almost all my local mates are Yeovil fans) and I don't hold any grudges against them really, we beat them twice that makes us better than them :D

Let them enjoy their success, it will probably be fairly short lived but fair play for doing what they did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:23:43
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:26:01
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.
flints goading of him doing the pig nose gesture in the second leg was funny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:31:59
flints goading of him doing the pig nose gesture in the second leg was funny.

Flint's quite funny when he starts goading. I think he might turn into the club joker now the Top Boi has gone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:43:30
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.

Yep, of all the Brentford players he is the one who makes me happy that they fucked it up


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 16:49:12
What did Harlee Dean do?  Apart from spelling his name like a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Langers on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:00:24
Arsenal's over celebration of 4th place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:04:17
Arsenal's over celebration of 4th place.

Beat me to it.

Totally meaningless final day of the season if you are ignore Sky's manufactured hype


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:08:06
Beat me to it.

Totally meaningless final day of the season if you are ignore Sky's manufactured hype

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_uOgyBK1c


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:19:53
Beat me to it.

Totally meaningless final day of the season if you are ignore Sky's manufactured hype

Actually it sums up completely what is wrong with football.

It is more important to finish 4th in the premier League (and thus qualify for the Not Just Champions league) than it is to actually win a trophy.

It, along with the fact that Wolves start with a £20m head start on the rest of league 1 next season thanks to their parachute payment from the premier league for being shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:55:47
Not only that, the PL were planning to have a play-off between Arse and Chelsea to see who finished THIRD at Villa Park, if they finished with the same number of points, goal diff and goal scored.

If still level, they should then go between the results between the two sides, then if it is still level, pick a neutral ground, and have a penalty shoot-out between the sides with the players who finished the previous day behind closed doors. If a penalty shoot out can decide a promotion place, it can certainly decide who finishes bloody fourth.

Why should thousands of fans pay a fair few quid to see a mostly meaningless match?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 17:57:13
Oh and Harlee Dean is a fucking cock.

And Jonathan Douglas' superb record in play-off finals continue...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:24:42
It is more important to finish 4th in the premier League (and thus qualify for the Not Just Champions league) than it is to actually win a trophy.

Given the choice for next season of us finishing 3rd and making the playoffs, or 7th and winning the JPT which would you go for?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 18:30:20
Given the choice for next season of us finishing 3rd and making the playoffs, or 7th and winning the JPT which would you go for?

Given our recent record in the play-offs, a Wembley win.

That said, if you win the play-offs you get a trophy. ;)

I guess the question should be, would you have preferred to have won the JPT this season or lose the play-offs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 22:39:22
I preferred the original playoffs, when the team 'just about good enough to stay up' played the teams 'not quite good enough to go up'.

I'd forgotten about that.  Anyone know why it changed?  It's also a shame they changed the away goals rule, would have seen us through to the final

What did Harlee Dean do?  Apart from spelling his name like a cunt.


He celebrated directly in front of the Swindon fans when he scored at Griffin Park goading us and telling us all to shhhhhhhhhush. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Sunday, May 19, 2013, 23:24:16
Also he looks like a neo nazi, oh and he's best mates with John Terry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 16:16:51
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22627036

UEFA banning clubs for financial reasons but not for racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 17:52:53
It would be wrong to ban a team from Europe because of racism. If it's the fans being racist play it behind closed doors, otherwise why punish a team for something that is out of their control? Debts on the other hand are the club's fault.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 19:56:35
The ridiculous hoohah over Beckham's last game for PSG


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 20:03:44
The ridiculous hoohah over Beckham's last game for PSG

I think I've missed it.  Are they going overboard with the adulation?  I think he seems a decent chap so I don't begrudge it really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 20:06:34
People I've grown up with (I live in the Welsh Valleys) openly changing the football team they 'support'. The amount of Cardiff 'fans' & new season ticket holders around here makes me fucking sick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 20:19:16
People I've grown up with (I live in the Welsh Valleys) openly changing the football team they 'support'. The amount of Cardiff 'fans' & new season ticket holders around here makes me fucking sick.

Urgh, I cannot understand changing allegiance.  More often than not, Swindon are dogshite but it just makes the occasional bit of success all the more enjoyable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arnold.J.Rimmer on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 22:02:48
People I've grown up with (I live in the Welsh Valleys) openly changing the football team they 'support'. The amount of Cardiff 'fans' & new season ticket holders around here makes me fucking sick.

Who did they support before?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 22:06:48
Who did they support before?

If they came from the valleys they probably didn't care about football, they were too busy shagging their siblings/parents/cousins/family sheep.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 22:13:06
The ridiculous hoohah over Beckham's last game for PSG

I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 22:24:16
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 22:37:13
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

Totally agree Nemo.  Beckham was a game changing player who gave 100% for club and country.  There's not many people who could turn themselves from a hate figure in 1998 to what he became.

People who slag him off are quick to overlook the massive amount of work he does for charity as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 22:54:09
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

Indeed.

Went to LA for the money and lifestyle too soon. He was only 32 when he signed for them - which in some cases can still be the peak of your career. Lampard, Scholes and Giggs have all played at the top level (at a reduced rate admittedly) well past 32.

if he'd wait till he was 35 before going out there I think more people would have understood...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 17:44:25
Was merely saying the hoohah at Paris,for whom he played a dozen or so games,was merely celebrity related and that is one of the things that is wrong with football today.Plus,saying he is underrated is a joke,surely?Just because that half-wit Waddle made a ridiculous comment is not proof of under appreciation.Dont think anyone has ever doubted his work rate and passion for England but his pedestal has risen far too high in my opinion.However,dont think he would get in a best "Ferguson era" Man Utd X1.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 17:47:10
.....besides,Scholes,Giggs,Lampard and Owen were far better players in my opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 20:19:04
Who did they support before?
Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa among others!!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 20:19:42
If they came from the valleys they probably didn't care about football, they were too busy shagging their siblings/parents/cousins/family sheep.
:D ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mrverve on Thursday, May 23, 2013, 20:26:18
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

A few years ago I did a bit of research and found that from 2000-2006 Beckham was involved in about 85% of England's goals during that period.

Staggering.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, May 24, 2013, 07:43:00
A few years ago I did a bit of research and found that from 2000-2006 Beckham was involved in about 85% of England's goals during that period.

Staggering.

The best distributor of the ball I have ever seen 'in the flesh' was Glenn Hoddle. Some of his passes when in a Town shirt were sublime, 50- 60 yard cross field passes landing on a sixpence. Beckham was close to Hoddle in his accuracy and vision. All IMHO of course.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 24, 2013, 07:53:48
I'm not quite sure how and when it happened (I guess when he left England) but David Beckham has quietly and bizzarely become one of the most underrated England players of all time. Waddle's tripe the other day about not being in the top 1000 players of the Premiership era was fucking mental, the man finished second in the Balon D'or behind Rivaldo in 1999 and Zinedine Zidane described him as one of the best player he'd ever played with.

More to the point, he busted his gut for England and showed the kind of passion that we always gnash our teeth about players lacking in the three lions and dragged a shit team around for much of the late 90s/early 00s. Sure, he played on way past his prime and yes, he took a lot of easy money in LA. But he is one of the best English players in my lifetime, and no amount of jealousy about his lifestyle, wife or laughing at his lack of intelligence should overshadow that.

Agree with all of this, and unlike Chris Waddle he can actually say the word penalty!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 24, 2013, 09:20:08
Becks was and still is an era-defining footballer. You only get 'em once a generation.

The best distributor of the ball I have ever seen 'in the flesh' was Glenn Hoddle. Some of his passes when in a Town shirt were sublime, 50- 60 yard cross field passes landing on a sixpence. Beckham was close to Hoddle in his accuracy and vision. All IMHO of course.

I'd agree with you. Hoddle was slightly before my time (I was born in 1990), but the footage I've seen of the games he played and the passes he made just have my eyes boggling. Fashioned my own long-range passing technique after his. It's the grace he does it with more than anything, he doesn't seem to hoof it, he just taps it and it pings 50 yards to someone's feet. Beautiful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Friday, May 24, 2013, 10:27:10
Becks was and still is an era-defining footballer. You only get 'em once a generation.

I'd agree with you. Hoddle was slightly before my time (I was born in 1990), but the footage I've seen of the games he played and the passes he made just have my eyes boggling. Fashioned my own long-range passing technique after his. It's the grace he does it with more than anything, he doesn't seem to hoof it, he just taps it and it pings 50 yards to someone's feet. Beautiful.

Hoddle at sweeper in Div 1 was like a dad playing in an under 11s school match


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Friday, May 24, 2013, 12:33:03
Indeed.

Went to LA for the money and lifestyle too soon. He was only 32 when he signed for them - which in some cases can still be the peak of your career. Lampard, Scholes and Giggs have all played at the top level (at a reduced rate admittedly) well past 32.

if he'd wait till he was 35 before going out there I think more people would have understood...

I may be buying into the PR bullshit that followed Beckham, but I do admire what he tried to do when he went to LA. Admittedly it is a long process, but his arrival in the US will start to make the US league a more viable option for players rather then trotting off to Europe.

I think in years to come, it could have an impact on how competitive the league will be. Only time will tell whether it was all in vain or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Friday, May 24, 2013, 13:00:28
Ahhh, the Beckham subject.

It is my opinion that he single handedly cost England 2 tournaments, and signle handedly got us in to 1. So he's in debt in my book.

Coupled with the fact he followed the money to play an appalling standard of football then bemoaned the impact it had on his international prospects, makes him a bit of a cunt in my book.

And banging the nanny is not model professionalism either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, May 24, 2013, 16:31:34
....and had a very big hand in costing us a third


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, May 24, 2013, 17:08:56
....and like many in this era got far to many cheap caps in meaningless games so that he, in my opinion, is far to high up the list of all time capped players for the influence he had .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leefer on Friday, May 24, 2013, 18:43:31
Ahhh, the Beckham subject.

It is my opinion that he single handedly cost England 2 tournaments, and signle handedly got us in to 1. So he's in debt in my book.

Coupled with the fact he followed the money to play an appalling standard of football then bemoaned the impact it had on his international prospects, makes him a bit of a cunt in my book.

And banging the nanny is not model professionalism either.

Of course DMR you would never follow the money.....or indeed shag the nanny would you.

Maybe we should get a celibate monk into play for us and a  fella who wouldn't shag a nanny at any cost....as for costing us two tournaments :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

We wouldn't have won them in a million years with him or without him.

You have this gift DMR.......at finding the faults with everybody......will you ever get round to finding the good.

I hope so :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, May 24, 2013, 19:23:44
Coupled with the fact he followed the money to play an appalling standard of football then bemoaned the impact it had on his international prospects, makes him a bit of a cunt in my book.

Beckham had been told to fuck off by McLaren and dropped from the England squad when he decided to go to the USA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 24, 2013, 19:38:24
Beckham had been told to fuck off by McLaren and dropped from the England squad when he decided to go to the USA.

Very true, and the genius that was Steve the brolly had such a great record of getting England to major tournaments without him ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Saturday, May 25, 2013, 20:39:50
Arjen Robben. Bleurgh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 25, 2013, 20:48:01
Arjen Robben. Bleurgh.

Cant stand that clog wearing cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 25, 2013, 20:55:35
UEFA trophy presentations.

What's wrong with getting the captain up first...give him the trophy...and then pass it down the line...Simples.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, May 27, 2013, 14:08:38
Watford.

There is something that doesn't sit right with me when a team with 7 loan players starting (3 more on the bench) is 90 mins away from promotion.

No rules broken I know but hope Palace do them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 27, 2013, 14:19:39
Watford.

There is something that doesn't sit right with me when a team with 7 loan players starting (3 more on the bench) is 90 mins away from promotion.

No rules broken I know but hope Palace do them.

Whatever league they are in next season, they are going to have to start the season with about 14 players as they are under a transfer m'bargo until September.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 10:13:06
[url width=614 height=2067]http://thesunshineroom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bullshit-rodeo.jpg?w=614&h=2066[/url]

http://thesunshineroom.com/2013/05/30/bullshit-rodeo/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 10:19:09
...penned by our very own David Squires.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 10:22:35
Not you is it, iffy?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 10:30:36
ah, no credit for me. just saw it on twitter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 10:31:46
I like that, a lot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 10:32:05
Not you is it, iffy?
he does have an account on here I think, can't recall the username though. Love his comics.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:40:40
The Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC song had me crying with laughter.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :cry:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 11:41:47
The Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC song had me crying with laughter.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :cry:
Was it a song? I thought it was a name change?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:42:23
Was it a song? I thought it was a name change?

It is-

And its Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee-
Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC -
We're by far the greatest team
The world has ever seen etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:46:46
Was it a song? I thought it was a name change?

It is-

And its Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee-
Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC -
We're by far the greatest team
The world has ever seen etc.

Sorry to nit-pick but: We're by far the greatest team
Chad has ever seen etc.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 12:58:39
Sorry to nit-pick but: We're by far the greatest team
Chad has ever seen etc.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:





Oh yes, of course.

We're the greatest team the world has ever seen, not Angry Birds Star Wars Lego Bum Poo Wee FC  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 14:12:13
[url width=614 height=2067]http://thesunshineroom.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bullshit-rodeo.jpg?w=614&h=2066[/url]

http://thesunshineroom.com/2013/05/30/bullshit-rodeo/
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bukkake Regiment on Thursday, May 30, 2013, 14:31:24
I like this one too.

[url width=614 height=805]http://thesunshineroom.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/big-screen0001.jpg?w=614&h=804[/url]


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, July 6, 2013, 23:11:26
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/06/uk-brazil-soccer-idUKBRE9650FR20130706


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 9, 2013, 22:39:21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23240104

Would love to see some youtube footage if there is any.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 22:33:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23351824

Fucking cunting morons, moronic fucking cunts.

Quote
The players must be able to play in the best conditions to play a good World Cup.

THEN DON'T HOLD IT FUCKING QATAR YOU MORONIC, OVERPAID, BRIBE-TAKING, SEXIST, RACIST, SON OF A BITCH THUNDERCUNT


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, July 25, 2013, 20:18:21
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23351824

Fucking cunting morons, moronic fucking cunts.

THEN DON'T HOLD IT FUCKING QATAR YOU MORONIC, OVERPAID, BRIBE-TAKING, SEXIST, RACIST, SON OF A BITCH THUNDERCUNT

They just don't get it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23456671



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 26, 2013, 08:08:51
They just don't get it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23456671


They do, they just don't give a shit. You're looking at this all wrong, you're thinking about things like the sport, the integrity of the game etc. Whereas if you looked at it from the perspective of that grinning buffoon and his fellow retreads at FIFA, you'd see those piffling matters pale into insignificance when taken from a truly global perspective. It's all about the thickness of the envelope ....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: thedarkprince on Friday, July 26, 2013, 08:55:52
Jim Boyce can go fist himself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: iffy on Friday, July 26, 2013, 16:23:38
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23351824

Fucking cunting morons, moronic fucking cunts.

THEN DON'T HOLD IT FUCKING QATAR YOU MORONIC, OVERPAID, BRIBE-TAKING, SEXIST, RACIST, SON OF A BITCH THUNDERCUNT

I've somehow missed this wonderful, wonderful post.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, July 26, 2013, 17:37:54
Oh cheer up.

It might be nice to have the greatest spectacle in world football actually in the winter, when the players aren't absolutely fucked, even if it's achieved through FIFA idiocy.

Have the domestic leagues run along side it - let's see the Premier League put that in their pipe and smoke it.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 26, 2013, 18:03:43
Will be interesting to see what happens there, if the Premiership, La Liga and the Bundesliega decide that they're not going to move their season or release players, I think FIFA might discover where the power truly lies in world football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Riddick on Friday, July 26, 2013, 18:14:57
The TV companies will have something to say about it as well

If the proposal at the beginning had been from Qatar to host it but move it to the Winter i wouldn't have a problem as everyone would have known what had to happen to give it to them.

Just think Fifa are money grabbing cunts. The Viewing figures for the world cup in the winter will be even bigger so Fifa can make even more out of selling the rights. Then once the footballing world has acknowledged it can change domestic seasons to accommodate a winter tournament does anybody think it will go back to the summer if Fifa make more money from it there?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, July 26, 2013, 18:48:47
In principle you'd rather have a global governing body with the welfare of all of football at it's core in charge than the elite leagues, who won't think twice about grinding everyone else into the dust and trousering as much cash as they can for their own benefit.

It's just a shame that the global governing body there is, is a total basket case, which is where the idea all falls down.

But I like the idea of the leagues having to wind their neck in a bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 26, 2013, 19:23:19
In principle you'd rather have a global governing body with the welfare of all of football at it's core in charge than the elite leagues, who won't think twice about grinding everyone else into the dust and trousering as much cash as they can for their own benefit.

It's just a shame that the global governing body there is, is a total basket case, which is where the idea all falls down.

But I like the idea of the leagues having to wind their neck in a bit.
Yeah, agree with all that. Problem is FIFA's one of the few organisations around that can make the Leagues look like principled bodies working in the best interests of the sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chunky monkey on Friday, July 26, 2013, 19:32:16
International football has had it's day, the players are payed so much they don't give a fuck. Why bother cancel the fucking thing. Oh we can't pockets have to be lined


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Friday, July 26, 2013, 22:08:15
Oh cheer up.

It might be nice to have the greatest spectacle in world football actually in the winter, when the players aren't absolutely fucked, even if it's achieved through FIFA idiocy.

Have the domestic leagues run along side it - let's see the Premier League put that in their pipe and smoke it.


a winter world cup would give England it's best chance currently Imo.
Still don't like they idea mind. Corrupt fifa cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, July 27, 2013, 12:37:02
a winter world cup would give England it's best chance currently Imo.
Still don't like they idea mind. Corrupt fifa cunts

The last WC was a winter WC....didn't do England any favours, in fact we were worse than usual.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: china red on Saturday, July 27, 2013, 12:46:23
And winter temperatures in Qatar are probably not far from UK summer anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 15:08:01
Oh Marlon you just can't keep out of trouble!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23504807


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 15:09:47
The last WC was a winter WC....didn't do England any favours, in fact we were worse than usual.

I am looking forward to watching England in Brazil.

If the draw results in them being drawn in the North I look forward to the kick and rush approach being ruthlessly exposed once again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 15:52:06
I might be barking up the wrong tree here, and someone will put me right (probably PaulD) but ....

Wasnt it part of the deal that too host the world cup it had to be done in the summer months so June and July.  Hence all bids for the 2022 world cup were put togther using that criteria.

If the WC was as now seems inevitable switched to winter, could the countries who applied and were unsuccessful Australia, Japan, USA etc have a legal case against FIFA to reclaim some of the costs of bidding at the very least?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Great Stan on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 15:59:37
Sepp Blatter - fanny batter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 16:01:17
Sepp Blatter - fanny batter

You're on fire today Stan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Great Stan on Tuesday, July 30, 2013, 16:06:05
Thought it was a bit hot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, August 2, 2013, 11:29:26
International football has had it's day, the players are payed so much they don't give a fuck. Why bother cancel the fucking thing. Oh we can't pockets have to be lined

Don't do that, it's the one aspect of the game where you can't just get a rich benefactor to buy you in a load of players from all over the globe and that people who don't actually enjoy the grind of club football can get behind.

Just leave all the power to clubs run by oligarchs busy trying to hide human rights abuses, removing billions of pounds from their national economies and so on..



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, August 2, 2013, 20:04:40
Kieron Dyer:
Quote
in 17 years he played just over 300 matches, scoring 23 Premier League goals, including none at all between 2007 and 2013. In this time he earned between £20m and £30m in wages
(as opined in this quite good article http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/02/1 I pinched the above quote from) sums up quite nicely much of what's wrong with modern football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Friday, August 9, 2013, 11:17:59
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, August 9, 2013, 11:24:12
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.
Tell Alun Rossiter that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, August 9, 2013, 11:28:03
Bristol Slave Traders 1982 Ltd has a ring to it thuogh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, August 9, 2013, 11:43:11
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

They now sound like a Rugby League team...

Stupid, tacky idea.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 9, 2013, 11:50:36
The rumour I have heard is that we are going to follow the lead of Brisbane and at the request of Jed be renamed the Swindon Roar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: South Hams STFC on Friday, August 9, 2013, 11:57:25
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

(http://www.peninsula-reds.co.uk/forum_image-uploads/swindon_new.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:04:43
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

Go Tigers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 9, 2013, 12:38:46
Not so grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:07:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23703265

Robbie Savages' 11 transfer tips = be a cunt


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 13:57:00
I read it and couldn't decide if I admired his honesty or despised his arrogance.

If I want to move jobs, I walk into the recruiters. I often take calls from recruiters talking up new jobs, so why should football be different? The only aspect I cannot fathom is that if a player moves on, even if they have engineered it, they are paid all or part of the unexpired term of their contract. It is completely illogical.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 14:16:47
Rebranding gone mad...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23629379

I'd hate for us to be called Swindon Robins. It just sounds tacky.

yeah, and robins are small and fluffy. We'd be much better off as the Swindon Dinosaurs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:22:58
Go back to our roots and become the Swindon Spartans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:47:01
Why are so many clubs' nicknames birds?

FFS what's a Throstle?

It is naff in the extreme and obviously deep-rooted in the origins of many clubs.

I applaud the Hull fella - there are many clubs who could benefit from updating their nicknames.

Up the Steam!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:53:03
Why are so many clubs' nicknames birds?
FFS what's a Throstle?

A thrush....when clubs originated, the mass exodus from land to city had only been going for relatively few years...therefore people still had some nostalgia for wildlife, and avian activity was still a big feature of urban living. It's been the subsequent 100 years and particularly the last 40 or so which has seen the decimation of both bird and wildlife in both countryside and city.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 15:55:47
Urban animals, eh?

Oxford Rats, perhaps


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:17:30
Go back to our roots and become the Swindon Spartans.

Like it. Our mascot could be Gerard Butler in full '300' gear, with a Town shirt added. Instead of dancing in the centre circle before half time he could execute some transvestite Iranians.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:24:47
 Swindon Supermarine is a decent name.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:26:32
Once we go tits up and plummet down the leagues we can rename ourselves Swindon Submarine


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:29:36
Once we go tits up and plummet down the leagues we can rename ourselves Swindon Submarine

Wasn't going from the Prem to Div 4 enough of a plummet for you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:31:12

I applaud the Hull fella - there are many clubs who could benefit from updating their nicknames.


Haven't Hull always been known as the Tigers? Seems wrong replacing AFC with it though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:31:38
Urban animals?: Swindon Hedgehogs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:40:53
Wasn't going from the Prem to Div 4 enough of a plummet for you?

Good point.

Lets do it again anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 16:43:31
Urban animals?: Swindon Hedgehogs.

A baby hedgehog is called a hoglet. Not relevant, but I think it's a nice word. Actually with our current squad, maybe the Swindon Hoglets is the way forward.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ReadingRed on Thursday, August 15, 2013, 17:51:18
A baby hedgehog is called a hoglet. Not relevant, but I think it's a nice word. Actually with our current squad, maybe the Swindon Hoglets is the way forward.

I think it's pretty relevant - after all, Shaun Hoglets is our local radio reporter.
I'll get me coat..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 15:13:29
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8883141/premier-league-west-brom-striker-retires-sky-sources-understand


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 15:35:49
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8883141/premier-league-west-brom-striker-retires-sky-sources-understand

Great Fantasy League pick! :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 15:36:14
Why is that what's wrong with football?

Think Sky are misreporting it anyway, I heard his agent died suddenly that's why he's missing this weekend's game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 15:44:30
Why is that what's wrong with football?


Pockets a hefty signing-on fee then retires a few weeks later (if thats what he's done)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 15:49:44
Why is that what's wrong with football?

Think Sky are misreporting it anyway, I heard his agent died suddenly that's why he's missing this weekend's game.

Think his agent is also his brother?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: london_red on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:11:37
Think his agent is also his brother?

Yeah, although evidently it's not his brother who has died, but another agent called Eric Manasse.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, August 22, 2013, 16:19:22
Pockets a hefty signing-on fee then retires a few weeks later (if thats what he's done)
I'm sure I read somewhere (most likely on here) that signing on fees are not paid up front but in the form of loyalty payments over time, precisely to avoid that kind of thing?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 12:44:08
Joe Kinnear thought he had spotted a special talent on a scouting trip to Birmingham – only to be told he was ­already a NEWCASTLE player, writes Alan Oliver in the Sunday People.

Toon director of football Kinnear raved to City chiefs about midfielder Shane Ferguson during the club’s Capital One Cup tie against Swansea in September. But when he asked about signing him, Brum bosses thought he was winding them up – because Ferguson is on loan at St Andrews from Newcastle until the end of the season.

Newcastle chiefs and manager Alan Pardew, who saw his side beat Chelsea 2-0 yesterday, were said not to be aware of Kinnear’s blunder.

A City source told Sunday People Sport: “Ferguson had a particularly good game that night and Joe Kinnear told one of our officials he was interested in signing him.

“At first our guy thought he was joking but then he realised Kinnear did not know Ferguson was already a Newcastle player.”

The 22-year-old, who can play in midfield or at full-back, signed a five-year contract with Newcastle in 2011 but spent three months on loan at Birmingham last season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 13:48:16
Whats wrong with football...

Joe Kinnear


Thats all that was needed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 14:22:36
Kinnear is brilliant. The gift that keeps on giving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 15:30:56
Why don't teams contest drop balls nowadays?

And why has Tim Howard grown a beard that makes him look like the poster boy for Al Qaeda?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 15:32:10
Why don't teams contest drop balls nowadays?

And why has Tim Howard grown a beard that makes him look like the poster boy for Al Qaeda?
Would you say that if he was white? Racist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 15:34:16
TBH I thought he was white!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 15:51:51
Doesn't matter what colour he is. He does look like a terrorist though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 15:54:57
Why don't teams contest drop balls nowadays?

And why has Tim Howard grown a beard that makes him look like the poster boy for Al Qaeda?
same could be said for Ashley Williams


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 16:07:35
Racists. All of you. It makes me sick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 17:05:16
Doesn't matter what colour he is. He does look like a terrorist though

He actually looks like (and has for some time) Taaj Manzoor as portrayed by Matt Lucus in come fly with me....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 19:05:56
same could be said for Ashley Williams

Yeah, fucking taffs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 19:38:39
I do like the swimming gestures the Swansea fans give the Cardiff

Makes I chuckle!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 20:26:41
Swim away, pisses all over Cardiffs shitty ayatollah.

Was surprised a) it was a 4pm kick off and b) there were apparently no arrests. Have Cardiff finally rid themselves of their knuckle draggers. Or was the entire South Wales constabulary deployed to Cardiff today..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 20:47:02
They had it wrapped up tighter than a nun's chuff.

All Swansea fans had to go by coach (54 of them) leaving from Swansea. So if there happened to be a Swansea fan who lived in Cardiff he/she had to go to Swansea before they could go to the game

Bizarre!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 21:25:23
Bizarre, but it worked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 22:14:21
They had it wrapped up tighter than a nun's chuff.

All Swansea fans had to go by coach (54 of them) leaving from Swansea. So if there happened to be a Swansea fan who lived in Cardiff he/she had to go to Swansea before they could go to the game

Bizarre!

My brother saw the convoy go past. Reckoned it was like something out a movie there were so many police about.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 22:31:47
I do like the swimming gestures the Swansea fans give the Cardiff

Makes I chuckle!
What does that signify then? Genuine question, apologies in advance for being thick.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 3, 2013, 22:33:32
What does that signify then? Genuine question, apologies in advance for being thick.
Swansea running some Cardiff fans into the sea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, November 8, 2013, 15:47:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24864223

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, November 8, 2013, 15:56:35
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24864223

:D

One can't help but giggle but it must be so humiliating for the poor girl. (Provided it is a girl)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, November 8, 2013, 16:03:03
Actually, we can save 'her' the humiliation of a gender test after all.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/bloke2_zps1163f2f8.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/bloke2_zps1163f2f8.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/bloke_zps00c2ff3e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/bloke_zps00c2ff3e.jpg.html)

Definitely a bloke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, November 8, 2013, 16:03:39
Maybe it's her name that gave it away - Wun Hung Lo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Anteater on Friday, November 8, 2013, 16:42:48
Looks like Sum Yung Boi to me.


Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Only Me on Friday, November 8, 2013, 23:04:54
Racists. All of you. It makes me sick.
Get back off your PC soapbox FFS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 09:23:25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138)

Might help the wet Tuesday night CG attendances though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 10:49:13
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138)

Might help the wet Tuesday night CG attendances though.

I only watch the CL and EL cos its on and I can
Already pay for sky sports so not shelling out for BT as well

Wont be much of a loss to me personally


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 9, 2013, 11:56:19
Tis a bit shit:

Quote
would make some games, including finals, free to air....

As part of the deal, BT has said it will show at least one match involving each participating British team for free every season.
 

Rarely find the time to watch CL anyway.

Hopefully footballs greed will see interest slide now there is even less free to air CL.

Its Intriguing though, BT are really going for sport. Can't quite see how they are making money by bundling it in broadband. Someone has to pay for the rights so I guess it is watch this space...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Norfolkred on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 03:14:48
Makes you wonder if they will go the same way as ITV Digital a few years back


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Norfolkred on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 03:27:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24920893
What a terrible attitude from a chairman!

"Nobody in the world will decide for me how I run my companies''

 "No, no, no. I will not allow that. Let us establish this - nobody questions my decisions in my business."

He actually thinks it is just a business. The problem is he has lived in Hull for 45 years, so this is not just another foreign owner who doesn't understand English football. :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 11:02:29
"No, no, no. I will not allow that. Let us establish this - nobody questions my decisions in my business."

That single quote is damning, regardless of whether you're talking about football or anything else.  No one challenges his decisions?!  He'll regret that sooner or later, for sure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 11:24:25
That comment definitely has a Ratner feel about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, November 18, 2013, 15:14:57
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10816534.Police_swarm_St_Luke_s_School_over_criminal_damage/

Or maybe what's wrong with Bristol kids?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, November 18, 2013, 18:35:29
Twatty Coventry defender who decides to handball a cross with 30 seconds left when I've got a tenner at 28/1 for Coventry to win 3-2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OrangeTransits on Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 00:46:34
Twatty Coventry defender who decides to handball a cross with 30 seconds left when I've got a tenner at 28/1 for Coventry to win 3-2
I got a bit lucky, 18/1 fourfold and waiting on Coventry win. Had it on with betfair and cashed out on 73 mins at roughly 11/1. Was cursing the decision until the inevitable last gasp Pen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, November 30, 2013, 21:55:00
Money grabbing agents...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25170990


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: walcot red on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 12:13:26
Chairman of Hull doing wonders for PR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 12:25:48
Chairman of Hull doing wonders for PR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266

What a thoroughly pleasant chap.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 12:30:49
The irony is that he is likely to die quite some time before most of the people he was addressing his comments to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 12:41:29
It's almost as if now Al Fayed has left Football there has to be another wanker of an Egyptian businessman to replace him. Weird.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:36:51
So many of these foreign owners know absolute jack about football n our country.

They should have to pass a knowledge based test before they are let loose


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:38:51
Audrey- Assam has lived in Hull for 40 years, he's not some foreign millionaire who couldn't point to Hull on a map. He's just a bit mental.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 13:40:06
Didn't know that

Thought he was hull's version of the Cardiff owner


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 14:34:03
Thought the fans' campaign response was measured, dignified and well put. Everything Assem Allam wasn't, in fact.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 14:44:36
Chairman of Hull doing wonders for PR

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25174266

I found myself reading this to the voice of Omar Baba from Come Fly with Me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 19:25:19
To be fair to the 'ull chairman he was only responding to the 'city til I die' campaign. So in keeping with the theme he said well they can die then. Just a flippant response nothing to get to bothered about, especially as Hull fans have been guilty of doing the very embarrassing Tiger style celebration. Not much sympathy with them to be honest.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 19:28:43
To be fair, that's a bit like saying the next time we sing 'Wise Men Say' we're fair game for a Swindon Gracelands branding.  Sort of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 19:37:52
Not really, as singing a song isn't wrong or embarrassing. Pretending to do tiger roars, with your hands like claws is, especiallynif you're not a child.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 19:45:29
Not a great version but you get the idea here.....



Actually this one highlights the retardness of the situation...



See post below for link.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 19:55:05
Links don't work, Jan.  But the picture in my mind is horrific.  (We've not met Hull for a while, so I'm having to rely on imagination.)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 20:51:20
Not working for me either - is it the 'mauled by the tigers' chant?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:00:41
Not working for me either - is it the 'mauled by the tigers' chant?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Yep,  I'll try again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgS1RFk1cU8


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:02:43
Superb  :D


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:04:45
Holy shit, that is awful.  Previous comment retracted.  Hull Stripey Roary Tigers it is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:05:10
Thats just embarrassing  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:06:05
Holy shit, that is awful.  Previous comment retracted.  Hull Stripey Roary Tigers it is.

Ha ha. Have to say when I saw this I did think their chairman can do whatever he likes, they've sold their soul by partaking in such a crime against humanity.  Aaargh my eyes!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Langers on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:06:50
That is one of the worst things I have ever seen.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:13:25
Yep,  I'll try again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgS1RFk1cU8
That's the most cringeworthy thing I have ever seen in a football stadium.  Hull fans deserve everything that's coming to them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:14:38
My fucking word.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:20:58
I've lost the will to live.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:21:25
That's the most cringeworthy thing I have ever seen in a football stadium.  Hull fans deserve everything that's coming to them.

It's all a bit ice hockey, isn't it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:23:23
"PECKED BY THE ROBINS,YOU'RE GETTING....................."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:24:53
I'm just going to pretend I never watched that clip


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:26:19
Slain by the Spartans...



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:33:01
I'm just going to pretend I never watched that clip

 :D

I like you.


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:35:00
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!


Title: Re:
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:36:23
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!

you've been railroaded by swindon  :hmmm:


Title: Re:
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:38:55
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!

That was actually mooted as an STFC celebration on here once as a celebration by the players.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:41:59
That is fantastically shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:43:41
I read all you comments and then still watched the clip. I hate myself.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:46:26
I read all you comments and then still watched the clip. I hate myself.




So did I.  Good grief!


Title: Re:
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:46:32
We could all pretend to be steam engines and make a woo woo sound. Awesomeness!
I choo choo choose you to start it off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:47:30
"PECKED BY THE ROBINS,YOU'RE GETTING....................."
Robins are actually quite aggressive birds and exceptionally territorial.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 21:50:55
I choo choo choose you to start it off.

(http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/975/975962/line-o-rama-ralph-wiggum-20090423033642614-000.jpg)

good classic episode that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 22:52:40
I watched it twice as I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The song is one thing, but the actions............

Push pineapple, grind coffee.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Sunday, December 1, 2013, 23:34:03
That I don't watch it anymore  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, December 2, 2013, 01:06:08
Apparently there's another similar chant where they sing, "you're going to get your fucking throats ripped out!" And they turn their heads sideways and simulate ferocious biting often with some, not in anyway camp, clawing actions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 2, 2013, 09:46:53
I fucking hope Hull go bust. Cunts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 17:51:50
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 18:04:29
Because they are twazzocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 18:22:17
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots

Think they've changed the rules of engagement, because apparently the draw had already been done, and news leaked through a computer hacker.  Doesn't look good even for FIFA, that the draw is stictched up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 4, 2013, 20:14:26
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots

I think this bit says it all:

Quote
World football's governing body had the option of naming France, the lowest-ranked European nation, in Pot Two but decided instead that the one European team should be drawn at random.

The French president of Uefa, Michel Platini, expected to rival Sepp Blatter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, December 9, 2013, 22:45:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08Q-z9RN0o

and on a more serious note - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2520757/Kenyan-football-fan-commits-suicide-Manchester-United-lose-Newcastle-United-Old-Trafford.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, December 9, 2013, 22:57:38
How are FIFA only just getting around to planning the World Cup draw? They are the most publically corrupt organisation going.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/world-cup-2014-draw-fifa-england-pots

They did the same thing not that long ago (a WC or two ago) with the European playoff draw. Original plan was to draw all the teams from a single pot, at the last minute they decided to seed the teams. Pretty certain France were involved in that as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Saturday, December 14, 2013, 12:51:44
That little pedestal the ball sits on before premier league games, official organised banners/those stupid big flags. If the fans can't be arsed to organise their banners/flags fucking leave it.

Were those big banners passed over the crowd at Wembley in 1990 organised by the fans or the club?     

I'm hungover and grumpy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, December 14, 2013, 18:31:54
That little pedestal the ball sits on before premier league games, official organised banners/those stupid big flags. If the fans can't be arsed to organise their banners/flags fucking leave it.

Were those big banners passed over the crowd at Wembley in 1990 organised by the fans or the club?     

I'm hungover and grumpy.

All flags/banners these days need a fire safety certificate. And the majority of grounds will want to see said certificate before allowing you to display your flag [ was asked for one at rovrum and colchester ~ wolves dont allow fan flags at all which is why they had those flag wavers around touchline before ko ]. Health and safety bollox gone mad
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, December 14, 2013, 19:53:51
They did the same thing not that long ago (a WC or two ago) with the European playoff draw. Original plan was to draw all the teams from a single pot, at the last minute they decided to seed the teams. Pretty certain France were involved in that as well.

They did exactly the same again for the last three play-offs for either the WC or Euro Champs. They say that it will be a free draw prior to the start of the qualifiers, yet in the a few weeks before they then decide to seed the draw.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 18:30:10
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, December 17, 2013, 18:38:40
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135



Quote
Despite football enjoying record amounts of revenue, football's regulatory and economic system fails miserably on numerous fronts and drives the professional game towards self-destruction," said Bobby Barnes, president of Fifpro's European division

Tis only the top league in any given country that is awash with money mainly thru TV rights - only way that filters down is thru transfer fees, abolish those and many lower league clubs will no doubt go to the wall


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, December 19, 2013, 20:32:57
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25457024

Malky Mackay told to resign or be sacked
Tan really is a cock


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, December 19, 2013, 20:34:58
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25457024

Malky Mackay told to resign or be sacked
Tans really is a cock

Whats Tans got to with it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, December 19, 2013, 20:43:27
Whats Tans got to with it?

Wondered who would be first  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, January 6, 2014, 19:20:12
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10552027/Macclesfield-Town-want-ticket-price-hike-for-Sheffield-Wednesday-FA-Cup-third-round-replay.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Monday, January 6, 2014, 19:40:25
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10552027/Macclesfield-Town-want-ticket-price-hike-for-Sheffield-Wednesday-FA-Cup-third-round-replay.html
To be fair they are in real danger of going bust, they need every penny they can get.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, January 6, 2014, 19:40:58
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/10552027/Macclesfield-Town-want-ticket-price-hike-for-Sheffield-Wednesday-FA-Cup-third-round-replay.html

Pretty sure the tickets for our tie were an increase on the usual prices they charge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, January 6, 2014, 19:43:56
Their situation is pretty serious, don't blame them trying to squeeze every penny out of this cup run


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, January 6, 2014, 20:30:29
Absolutely the right thing to do given their circumstances. Good luck to Macclesfield.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, January 7, 2014, 00:56:54
I'm pretty much certain that FIFA arranged the World Cup Draw.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/09/was_the_2014_world_cup_draw_fixed.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 7, 2014, 16:40:43
I'm pretty much certain that FIFA arranged the World Cup Draw.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/09/was_the_2014_world_cup_draw_fixed.html

I thought it was generally known it is rigged....more of a surprise if it was proved not to be.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 14:18:31
Bolton £163m in debt, ye gods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-bolton-wanderers-decline-revealsit-doesnt-take-overseas-proprietors-to-damage-a-club-9042669.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 14:41:33
Bolton £163m in debt, ye gods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-bolton-wanderers-decline-revealsit-doesnt-take-overseas-proprietors-to-damage-a-club-9042669.html

Some of the wages that they are paying those players in the Championship are nothing short of obscene.

The filthy cash cow lure of the Premiership remains.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 17:00:00
Bolton £163m in debt, ye gods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/ian-herbert-bolton-wanderers-decline-revealsit-doesnt-take-overseas-proprietors-to-damage-a-club-9042669.html

I'd have put that in the other thread. I hope they go under and I fucking hate Gartside. Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 17:03:14
Thats twice today I agree with you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 17:05:32
One more and you have to join in with one of our chants.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 9, 2014, 17:23:35
I'd have put that in the other thread. I hope they go under and I fucking hate Gartside. Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.
 

I posted it in the things that make you feel good thread. It's definitely something that's good, especially when that cunt's involved.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=39164.msg1245816#msg1245816


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, January 24, 2014, 22:07:57
Barcelona have confirmed that Neymar's parents got £34m of the £48.6m paid for the Brazil striker in June.
The 21-year-old's former club Santos received the other £14.6m
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25887952

I dont know why but that seems a little dodgy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, January 24, 2014, 22:21:21
South American players aren't owned by the clubs are they? It's a completely different model down there, sponsors and agents get the most of it.

If it wasn't his parents it would be some faceless agent, so at least that's something.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jutty274 on Thursday, January 30, 2014, 23:58:19
Man City paying £639,000 per day on wages during the 2012-2013 season, that is £233,235,000 for the season. But that does include all of the staff pay offs for Mancini & his team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 07:37:20
Uefa insists that top flight clubs can not play on the same night as champions league games. Obviously it's the choice of the consumer if you want to watch champions league or not. Why force a premier league club to move a game because of it.

The rule only came to light reading that Hull v Brighton Fa cup reply has to be on a Monday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 13:17:16
Uefa insists that top flight clubs can not play on the same night as champions league games. Obviously it's the choice of the consumer if you want to watch champions league or not. Why force a premier league club to move a game because of it.

The rule only came to light reading that Hull v Brighton Fa cup reply has to be on a Monday.

They've been doing it for years. UEFA have been holding back money from English clubs as FL games are played on CL nights.

Pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 21:17:26
Lescott comes on for Kolarov during the Man City vs Barcelona game and immediately doubles the number of English participants out on the field.  I know that this wasn't even new news 15 years ago, but it still doesn't sit right with me.  That game just feels like one load of foreign players playing another load of foreign players.  In Manchester.

The English dimension to it is pretty flimsy at best.  I used to remember a time when I used to will English clubs on in Europe, but can't really see the point now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 18, 2014, 22:09:03
Lescott comes on for Kolarov during the Man City vs Barcelona game and immediately doubles the number of English participants out on the field.  I know that this wasn't even new news 15 years ago, but it still doesn't sit right with me.  That game just feels like one load of foreign players playing another load of foreign players.  In Manchester.

The English dimension to it is pretty flimsy at best.  I used to remember a time when I used to will English clubs on in Europe, but can't really see the point now.

Maybe losing parochialism is a good thing....find other reasons for favouring a club.

At least the game did pass Smeeton's 3rd rule, which is for any televised game, there should be at least some STFC connection, whether on pitch, sidelines, com box, or studio.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 07:15:02
Maybe losing parochialism is a good thing....find other reasons for favouring a club.

At least the game did pass Smeeton's 3rd rule, which is for any televised game, there should be at least some STFC connection, whether on pitch, sidelines, com box, or studio.
Brian Marwood?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 09:54:27
Maybe losing parochialism is a good thing....find other reasons for favouring a club.

At least the game did pass Smeeton's 3rd rule, which is for any televised game, there should be at least some STFC connection, whether on pitch, sidelines, com box, or studio.

James Milner I presume?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 11:41:39
 I guess Milner was on the bench...but I was thinking more of Brian Kidd, who was briefly a cone carrier at the CG.  Marwood is a goodie, hadn't thought of him...

 Tonight's game will be a struggle....Arsenal are usually covered by Walcott....hopefully Glenn will be on punditry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 13:50:53
I guess Milner was on the bench...but I was thinking more of Brian Kidd, who was briefly a cone carrier at the CG.  Marwood is a goodie, hadn't thought of him...

 Tonight's game will be a struggle....Arsenal are usually covered by Walcott....hopefully Glenn will be on punditry.

When was Brian Kidd out here?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 13:53:42
When was Brian Kidd out here?
Back as assistant under Macari for a little bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 14:00:53
I guess Milner was on the bench...but I was thinking more of Brian Kidd, who was briefly a cone carrier at the CG.  Marwood is a goodie, hadn't thought of him...

 Tonight's game will be a struggle....Arsenal are usually covered by Walcott....hopefully Glenn will be on punditry.

Ribery looks like most of the women in Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 14:13:54
Refereeing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 14:52:33
Ribery looks like most of the women in Swindon.

There are many things that can held against Swindon....but the quality, diversity and willingness of its women folk isn't one of them....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 17:06:23
Well said Reg.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Saturday, February 22, 2014, 20:46:48
Refereeing.

With reference to a particular game? The Man City ref the other night was quite liberal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 14:26:03
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26350661

In particular - Senior players have expressed their concerns to Mel after struggling to adapt to the 50-year-old's preference for a high-tempo pressing game.

It is understood the players' preference is to adopt West Brom's usual counter-attacking style, which helped them finish eighth last season and 10th the previous term.
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 20:02:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26350661

In particular - Senior players have expressed their concerns to Mel after struggling to adapt to the 50-year-old's preference for a high-tempo pressing game.

It is understood the players' preference is to adopt West Brom's usual counter-attacking style, which helped them finish eighth last season and 10th the previous term.
 


I was going to raise the same story but differently, I have been in the car for a lot of today and fivelive have been playing the story to death, but it doesn't actually seem to be based upon any defined source, just the BBC journalists interpretation/perception.

I don't see why the BBC are pushing this so hard as it almost appears like they are creating news to try and force a manager out!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 20:06:36
I was going to raise the same story but differently, I have been in the car for a lot of today and fivelive have been playing the story to death, but it doesn't actually seem to be based upon any defined source, just the BBC journalists interpretation/perception.

I don't see why the BBC are pushing this so hard as it almost appears like they are creating news to try and force a manager out!

CONSPIRACYYYYYY!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 20:48:56
CONSPIRACYYYYYY!

Well, it is Sky who have the betting company and the ability to influence betting on such things as managerial sackings through their reporting Sky Sports News.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 16:47:43
Specific to the national team set up, but Aidy Boothroyd being put in charge of England U 20's  :headhurts:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 28, 2014, 16:49:13
Classy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 17:04:21
Classy

There's a school of thought, that we're not much good at trying to play sexy football, so better to honestly stick with route 1, and try and do it properly...instead of the half baked flick fanny stuff that we get atm. Woy sort of did it in Ukraine, with Andy Carroll, but it fell down v Italy, because our most completed pass was Hart to Carroll.

You can see this argument in miniature with what is happpening at STFC atm...

Maybe Graham Taylor will be called out of retirement when Woy goes..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, February 28, 2014, 17:09:49
If they're gonig to go for Ady Boothroyd why not go the whole hog and bring in John Beck.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 17:49:42
If they're gonig to go for Ady Boothroyd why not go the whole hog and bring in John Beck.

They have, he works at that St George's place....coaching the coaches  :) no really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 28, 2014, 17:53:45
Jesus Christ! That explains everything!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 28, 2014, 18:01:25
Jesus Christ! That explains everything!

Maybe the likes of Beck and Hoofroyd, have had Cooperesque Damescene conversions...after all our man was allegedly a long ball merchant before becoming a tika taka man in the summer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, February 28, 2014, 19:38:00
They have, he works at that St George's place....coaching the coaches  :) no really.
He was a loathesome cunt who almost makes evans human.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, March 1, 2014, 01:20:23
Specific to the national team set up, but Aidy Boothroyd being put in charge of England U 20's  :headhurts:

You have to think it has something to do with their knowledge of getting teams to play in distinct styles or patterns, otherwise it will be like watching the 1950's Cup final's.  For anyone who has not seen this era and believes some odd hype of a bygone age, it was shit but slightly funny which is pretty much how Puskas found us probably.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 1, 2014, 01:49:19
You have to think it has something to do with their knowledge of getting teams to play in distinct styles or patterns, otherwise it will be like watching the 1950's Cup final's.  For anyone who has not seen this era and believes some odd hype of a bygone age, it was shit but slightly funny which is pretty much how Puskas found us probably.

The FA is a curious vessel....currently with Greg Dyke at the helm, a man who saved an early 80's TV launch by introducing Roland Rat to a wider audience. A seminal time, I don't suppose Wayne Rooney would be on £300K a week if Arthur Scargill had succeeded during the Miner's Strike..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 17:05:31
Sol Campbell. Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 17:18:17
In fairness, giving the captaincy to Michael Owen was bananas. More symptomatic of the FA being incompetent than racist mind.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 17:23:19
Diego Costa


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 17:42:36
In fairness, giving the captaincy to Michael Owen was bananas. More symptomatic of the FA being incompetent than racist mind.
The FA don't pick the captain, the England manager does. Which, or is it all, of the managers he played under, none of whom thought he was a suitable captain, does he think were racist(s)?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 17:48:04
The FA don't pick the captain, the England manager does. Which, or is it all, of the managers he played under, none of whom thought he was a suitable captain, does he think were racist(s)?

And for some of those games another black man, Paul Ince, was captain.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 18:31:53
His post football career has dried up and he needs some publicity.


Title: Re:
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 20:58:53
Diego Costa

 >:( Diego Costa is great, he first came to my notice a couple of years ago when he was on loan at Rayo...seemed to fit right in with the working class spirit of the Vallecas.  One of these kids whose come out of the poor end of Brazilian street football and made something of himself by hard graft.

I particularly liked it when he turned down the Scousers in the summer, who'd met his buy out clause, because he felt a loyalty to Simeone and Atletico.

Should have had 3 pens today, but we know that Real just don't get those kind of decisions against them very often.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 21:09:27
3 pens for 3 blatant dives? He was lucky not to get sent off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 2, 2014, 22:25:58
3 pens for 3 blatant dives? He was lucky not to get sent off

I suppose it's only natural, you'd be a supporter of Generalismo Franco's outfit  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, March 3, 2014, 00:07:21
In fairness, giving the captaincy to Michael Owen was bananas. More symptomatic of the FA being incompetent than racist mind.

Perhaps not the best word to use in the context...  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, March 7, 2014, 10:30:51
Not really been following the story much, but Birmingham Owner Carson Yeung jailed for 6 years for money laundering.  Fit and proper persons?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 12:38:20
I can't believe that the red card in the arsenal game was not carried over to oxlade.
Because the ball was going wide of the goal his full length dive at the ball was deemed not denying a goal scoring opportunity. If you remove the confusion over who did it, it is in my eyes crazy to think that arsenal would have been given the opportunity to appeal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 12:43:43
Because the ball was going wide of the goal his full length dive at the ball was deemed not denying a goal scoring opportunity.
Well it wasn't (denying a goal scoring opportunity). His intention was clearly to deny a goal scoring opportunity but that's not what the rule says, the rule is about what you actually do, not what your intention is. I agree it should be a red card offence to intend to deny a goal scoring opportunity as well, but it isn't currently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 13:07:17
Well it wasn't (denying a goal scoring opportunity). His intention was clearly to deny a goal scoring opportunity but that's not what the rule says, the rule is about what you actually do, not what your intention is. I agree it should be a red card offence to intend to deny a goal scoring opportunity as well, but it isn't currently.


i understand why it wasnt given due to the current rules. I just find it incredible.
This is the first instance I can think of where someone sent off for hand ball on the line has had it rescinded.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 13:36:56
The area is grey enough as it is, with individual interpretation overwhat is or isn't a clear goal-scoring opportunity.

Adding preceived intent, or otherwise, would only make it more complicated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 14:19:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26757483

I'm a big fan of this. Orient are having a great season, just enjoy it while it lasts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 14:28:53
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26757483

I'm a big fan of this. Orient are having a great season, just enjoy it while it lasts.
I can't believe that though they sit in 3rd place in the league they only got 3,600 for that game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 14:43:04
Some games will never be attractive to fans. We'd won 10 out of 11, were top of the league and entertained Dagenham on a tuesday night in 11/12, the crowd? 6839.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 14:53:39
Attendance isn't the issue.

Orient's fans should be providing unequivocal support and nothing else. Leave the 'I told you so' stuff for May if it doesn't work out.

I remember seeing Half Man Half Biscuit when Tranmere had there half season run. Nigel Blackwell was saying that Tranny fans were singing 'we are staying up' when they were 1st and had reached that safe points tally.

That's more like it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 17:51:42
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26757483

I'm a big fan of this. Orient are having a great season, just enjoy it while it lasts.

Keyboard wizards?

That's a new one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 27, 2014, 17:53:07
Keyboard wizards?

That's a new one.

Bit like pinball wizards....but I suppose there has to be a twist


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 28, 2014, 10:37:18
Richard fucking Scudamore. It's supposed to be a sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26782112


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, March 28, 2014, 10:52:57
"There are lots of "fans" supporters around the world who wish Manchester United were winning it again,"

yes, and plenty more who are enjoying their current downfall


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, March 28, 2014, 10:59:36
Richard fucking Scudamore. It's supposed to be a sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26782112

What an absolute bellend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:10:35
Richard fucking Scudamore. It's supposed to be a sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26782112
This shows that the Premier League don't like the "smaller" teams in their competiton, and one reason why they demoted us so heavily when we first got there I feel. Its the "old boys act" after all didn't Spurs and Chelsea have similar amounts of dodgy payments as we did, but both suffered just a hand slap and a paltry (to them) fine.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:16:26
And folk think FIFA is corrupt.......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:43:46
Don't know what he is worried about, all their "fans" in Asia and Surrey will just start supporting Citeh anyway.

Been waiting 20 years for these cunts to collapse and I've loving every minute of their demise, long live Moyles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:46:11
Don't know what he is worried about, all their "fans" in Asia and Surrey will just start supporting Citeh anyway.

Been waiting 20 years for these cunts to collapse and I've loving every minute of their demise, long live Moyles.

City will have to change the colour of their shirts to red before they have a big following in Asia. (Having a dragon on the badge will also help).

Just ask Vinny Tan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, March 28, 2014, 11:51:55
Scudamore was at Ashton Gate to watch the mighty Town. Saw him outside their megastore.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 10:19:22
Mourinho's excuse for having a go at the ball boy yesterday...

'Mourinho also explained why he ran to a ball boy in injury time after the youngster failed to release the ball to Azpilicueta promptly."It is not right to educate kids to do that," said Mourinh."I went to stop [Azpilicueta]. I was afraid he would lose control of his emotions and push the kid or do something like Eden [Hazard] did last year at Swansea."I told the boy to not do that. I told him if he does this, 'one day somebody will punch you'."Hazard was sent off in a League Cup game at Swansea last season when he tried to kick a ball away from underneath a ball boy who had fallen on top of it.'

Perhaps Jose it might be better to have a word with your players and perhaps confirm that punching kids isn't really right.

The fact that the bloody media had bought into his suggestion that chelsea were some sort of lowly underdogs in the title race has been bad enough, but the fact that no one is questioning that him and his objectionable team seem to be losing the plot is as bad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 10:31:45
I don't know if he's really something wrong with football but he's a bit of a cunt nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26755772


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 10:38:05
I don't know if he's really something wrong with football but he's a bit of a cunt nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26755772
He only took over there when the publicity of the Sky TV programme about being a manager with Ron Atkinson.

After Iffy stopped them filming at Swindon they needed a replacement...so they turned to Posh.

MacAnthony saw it on TV and wanted to be part of it, the rest is history....

Maybe if Iffy had let the series run to its conclusion then he would have bought STFC and not Posh.

http://thewashbag.com/2012/06/01/hall-of-shame-14/

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Since September 2006 MacAnthony has been chairman of Peterborough United F.C. Outgoing chairman Barry Fry cited a Sky One documentary, Big Ron Manager, as a factor in attracting investment from MacAnthony. Legally obliged to give first refusal to a third party (Peterborough United Holdings Ltd) in the event of a sale, Fry retained 99.8% ownership of the club, but MacAnthony gained power of attorney for the club's affairs.

MacAnthony took over as chairman at Peterborough at the age of 30, making him the youngest chairman in the Football League. As a sign of his ambition, a printed note from MacAnthony was added to Peterborough United's match programme in August 2007. In it, he promised fans promotion from League Two to the Championship in two seasons, which was duly delivered, though the club were subsequently relegated to League One. MacAnthony became owner of the club in August 2007, buying the club for a nominal £1 after taking on the club's debts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 10:59:12
Mourinho's excuse for having a go at the ball boy yesterday...

'Mourinho also explained why he ran to a ball boy in injury time after the youngster failed to release the ball to Azpilicueta promptly."It is not right to educate kids to do that," said Mourinh."I went to stop [Azpilicueta]. I was afraid he would lose control of his emotions and push the kid or do something like Eden [Hazard] did last year at Swansea."I told the boy to not do that. I told him if he does this, 'one day somebody will punch you'."Hazard was sent off in a League Cup game at Swansea last season when he tried to kick a ball away from underneath a ball boy who had fallen on top of it.'

Perhaps Jose it might be better to have a word with your players and perhaps confirm that punching kids isn't really right.

The fact that the bloody media had bought into his suggestion that chelsea were some sort of lowly underdogs in the title race has been bad enough, but the fact that no one is questioning that him and his objectionable team seem to be losing the plot is as bad.
Totally agree. Lets face it Chelsea players are and have been role models under Mourinho. I give you John Racist Cunt Terry, Ashley fuck anything in a skirt Cole, Frank shag anything in a skirt Lampard, Obe two footed Mikel, cheating diving Ramires and I could go on. Get your own house in order Mourinho before you go slagging off young lads. The fact that he thinks his own player could slap a young lad says it all really. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 19:01:05
Apparently (and I mean according to Twitter, so expect him to sign a ten year contract) Sherwood is about to be sacked as he's punched a Spurs player in the face.

I'm not sure what I think about this other than "what a lemon"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 19:15:52
Should be more of it.

My maths teacher did the same to me and I turned out OK


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 19:16:32
Think Sherwood was always going to be a stopgap, punch or no punch. The results under him haven't exactly helped.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 19:23:46
Sign him up.

I love nut-job managers, they're fun. I wish Cooper would punch somebody in the face.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 19:40:59
Must admit I don't follow the PL like I used to as a kid (and Canon League 1 way before that) but I watched the game earlier and I really haven't heard of at least half of the Spurs team. I thought the Fulham manager was one of those matchday sponsors too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, March 30, 2014, 21:40:45
I remember Macari punching Foley at Fratton Park, when asked afterwards if he had hit Foley he said something along the lines of "Yes & I wish I'd hit him harder"


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, March 31, 2014, 08:25:28
Totally agree. Lets face it Chelsea players are and have been role models under Mourinho. I give you John Racist Cunt Terry, Ashley fuck anything in a skirt Cole, Frank shag anything in a skirt Lampard, Obe two footed Mikel, cheating diving Ramires and I could go on. Get your own house in order Mourinho before you go slagging off young lads. The fact that he thinks his own player could slap a young lad says it all really. 
So your bitterness towards Chelski doesn't get the better of you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 31, 2014, 10:44:40
I'm bitter towards everything and everyone


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, March 31, 2014, 11:48:03
90 quid for the new England shirt if you are mental enough to buy it.

There is also another version (stadium) which is 60 quid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, March 31, 2014, 11:50:42
Sherwood v Ranger next season will be fun then


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:00:55
90 quid for the new England shirt if you are mental enough to buy it.

There is also another version (stadium) which is 60 quid

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2592727/Is-Ross-Barkley-heading-Brazil-Everton-ace-joins-Wayne-Rooney-Co-England-unveil-two-new-strips-World-Cup.html

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/30/article-0-1CB0EDB700000578-795_964x452.jpg)

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Rooney was joined by Ross Barkley as the Everton midfielder continues to enjoy a breakthrough season, Arsenal's Jack Wilshere, currently sidelined with a broken foot, Liverpool's Raheem Sterling and Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere.

It seems nobody knows who the fuck Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:39:53
90 quid for the new England shirt if you are mental enough to buy it.

There is also another version (stadium) which is 60 quid

Is that true? Why so much? I thought it would be around £50 ish.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 31, 2014, 14:38:08
Is that true? Why so much? I thought it would be around £50 ish.
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 31, 2014, 14:45:04
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.

Isn't progress wonderful....that used to be called short sleeves.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 31, 2014, 15:19:19
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.

What a lot of shite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 31, 2014, 15:53:38
Well, it's got "cooling technology" innit? And it's the "ultimate" way of supporting England at the World Cup too. Well worth 90 quid of anyone's money that.

"Cooling Technology". Another way of saying "holes". I thought you'd pay less for that....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: timmyg on Monday, March 31, 2014, 16:08:55
It's normal price for a replica shirt, I don't know why the media are saying otherwise. £50 for pre-order at Sports Direct, same as pretty much all of the new shirts in recent years.

£50 is still too much, obviously, but it's not newsworthy.  The "Player Issue" shirt is the £90 one, and these have always been the case too, though you can find batches of 2/3 year old player issue kit in the Nike store in the Outlet Village for £40 or so if you want a Barca/Arsenal/Man Utd/Juve etc player kit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, March 31, 2014, 16:20:31
"Cooling Technology". Another way of saying "holes". I thought you'd pay less for that....

No no no, it's like cars, if you have a lighter one with less stuff in it it costs more.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, March 31, 2014, 17:05:06
I'm bitter towards everything and everyone
At least you are consistent ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, March 31, 2014, 17:15:32
The FA has charged Ronnie Moore ( Tranmere ) for alleged multiple breaches of Rule E8(b) for misconduct in relation to betting.
The Tranmere Rovers manager has until 8 April 2014 to respond to the charges.
The Club will make no further comment at this time.

Read more at http://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/news/article/moore-charged-310314-1458668.aspx#YrKLhSKesp8HB1Cc.99

Wonder if any of those games involved Tranmere - be interesting to see the punishment if found guilty


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 21:31:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26845414

I know some may see this as 'what is good with football' 'real fans being rewarded for loyalty' blah blah blah but it's not for me.

As a football fan I am quite aware that if I travel to the other end of the country then there's every chance my team will lose and by a comfortable margin.

This has happened a fair bit recently with 6-0 type scorelines but honestly, a 3-0 loss away from home? It's getting silly now.

Norwich City have crossed that line and now we'll get fans demanding all sorts of stupid things just because they're not happy with the outcome of a game that they've chosen to go to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 21:36:06
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26845414

I know some may see this as 'what is good with football' 'real fans being rewarded for loyalty' blah blah blah but it's not for me.

As a football fan I am quite aware that if I travel to the other end of the country then there's every chance my team will lose and by a comfortable margin.

This has happened a fair bit recently with 6-0 type scorelines but honestly, a 3-0 loss away from home? It's getting silly now.

Norwich City have crossed that line and now we'll get fans demanding all sorts of stupid things just because they're not happy with the outcome of a game that they've chosen to go to.

*Cough*

Stones and greenhouses....

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Mark Cooper: Swindon Town will reimburse fans after FA Cup exit

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/24898658



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 21:36:42
...because Swindon did it doesn't mean I agree with it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 21:37:11
It's a nice touch I suppose but totally unnecessary as was the case when we got humped at Macclesfield


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 21:45:19
Ours was a completely different level of embarrassment, name 5 occasions when a league team has got smashed by a non-league side, by smashed I mean by more than 3 goals. It's pretty much unheard of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 21:54:00
Still doesn't fly with me.

It won't be long before people demand season ticket refunds for poor seasons. In fairness that's probably happened already.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 07:36:47
The guy who chucked his season ticket on the pitch when we went 3-0 down to sheff weds on opening day always raises a smile, not sure if he got a refund though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 07:46:51
The guy who chucked his season ticket on the pitch when we went 3-0 down to sheff weds on opening day always raises a smile, not sure if he got a refund though.

Anyone remember the bloke on the Town End roof that time, now that was funny


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 07:47:35
I would never expect or demand it but was quite happy to take it afte witnessing our trouncing at Macc. I took it for what it was, a gesture my the players and management. Nothing more. Sorry if that makes me what's wrong with football. :-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 08:19:29
I would never expect or demand it but was quite happy to take it afte witnessing our trouncing at Macc. I took it for what it was, a gesture my the players and management. Nothing more. Sorry if that makes me what's wrong with football. :-)

You'd be stupid not to accept the refund. I just don't think clubs should make the gesture.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 08:40:07
You'd be stupid not to accept the refund. I just don't think clubs should make the gesture.

Have to beg to differ although I appreciate it could spiral out if control. No one should ever expect it but I appreciated the management/players wanted to make the gesture (from their own pockets). If it gets to the stage when the club starts doing it then it's more ridiculous. They all get paid a hell of a lot more than the average supporter (even at this level) and we pay to watch them. We're mugs really but I liked the fact they wanted to give something back even if it was only a token gesture.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 08:54:05
Anyone remember the bloke on the Town End roof that time, now that was funny
"fathers for justice"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:05:57
Have to beg to differ although I appreciate it could spiral out if control. No one should ever expect it but I appreciated the management/players wanted to make the gesture (from their own pockets). If it gets to the stage when the club starts doing it then it's more ridiculous. They all get paid a hell of a lot more than the average supporter (even at this level) and we pay to watch them. We're mugs really but I liked the fact they wanted to give something back even if it was only a token gesture.

My original point is that, in my opinion, we've reached that point. Norwich City players are refunding fans for a 3-0 loss and that is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:18:27
I'll tell you what's wrong with football.

Lst night I found myself actually wanting Man U to win.

Now, that just ain't right


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:31:53
I'll tell you what's wrong with football.

Lst night I found myself actually wanting Man U to win.

Now, that just ain't right

Stone him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:34:10
I'll tell you what's wrong with football.

Lst night I found myself actually wanting Man U to win.

Now, that just ain't right

Natural to root for the underdog, especially when it's against ze Germans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:39:44
I don't mind the Germans, it's Robben I detest


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 09:46:27
Stone him!

(http://ukvapers.org/attachment.php?aid=13011)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 10:16:05
My original point is that, in my opinion, we've reached that point. Norwich City players are refunding fans for a 3-0 loss and that is ridiculous.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

I wanted Man U to win too. That's because of Ze Germans and Robben. I make no excuse and will take my punishment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:33:54
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466

Barcelonas dodgy transfers dealing resulting in a 14 month transfer ban, which they will probably be able to get round somehow and a fine of a weeks wages for Rooney.

This cant be true.  I thought Barca were footballing mother theresas.  Their football hovering above and beyond beauty, transcending the vulgar bind of commerce to produce metaphysical beauty akin to the poetry of William Blake, and the luminescence of Van Goghs greatest work.  Or you'd think that is the case if you believe the media.

Turns out they're just another dodgy corrupt footy team lubricated not by genius but by cash and dodgy business.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:38:32
...and then you go and spoil it all by writing 'footy' which makes you worse than Barcelona.

:)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 11:40:38
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466

Barcelonas dodgy transfers dealing resulting in a 14 month transfer ban, which they will probably be able to get round somehow and a fine of a weeks wages for Rooney.

This cant be true.  I thought Barca were footballing mother theresas.  Their football hovering above and beyond beauty, transcending the vulgar bind of commerce to produce metaphysical beauty akin to the poetry of William Blake, and the luminescence of Van Goghs greatest work.  Or you'd think that is the case if you believe the media.

Turns out they're just another dodgy corrupt footy team lubricated not by genius but by cash and dodgy business.

And don't forget their non payment of taxes on the Neymar transfer of over 12m Euros, of which 'they did nothing wrong' and their debts apparently in excess of 600m Euros, which surely are against FFP, but nobody mentions that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 12:31:19
And don't forget their non payment of taxes on the Neymar transfer of over 12m Euros, of which 'they did nothing wrong' and their debts apparently in excess of 600m Euros, which surely are against FFP, but nobody mentions that.

Up against Real Madrid who are essentially funded by the state, the whole situation in Spanish football is so skewed to the big two it makes Scotland look like a balanced league - which will make it all the sweeter if Athletico Madrid win the title!

Actually that approach looks like a good idea, I can see certain clubs adopting that approach where they have squads of players that are all attractive to the bigger teams - sorry we cannot sell any players for 2 years!!

Actually in typing this, how does this stand with the whole restraint of trade business, player wil challenge in Euro courts and it will quietly go away.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 14:45:01
...and then you go and spoil it all by writing 'footy' which makes you worse than Barcelona.

:)

Could've been worse, he could've said soccer :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 14:56:34
Could've been worse, he could've said soccer :)

Using soccer as a primary term in England is a no-no but I don't have a huge issue with 'soccer', it's an old British term after all.

I work with a mad-keen American Football fan and have to use 'soccer' every now and again.

'Footy' is a term that should only used by estranged fathers trying to convince their kids that a weekend at dad's smaller-than-mum-and-Gary's-new-pad will be fun.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 15:28:02
(http://ukvapers.org/attachment.php?aid=13011)
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, 17:17:21
Up against Real Madrid who are essentially funded by the state, the whole situation in Spanish football is so skewed to the big two it makes Scotland look like a balanced league - which will make it all the sweeter if Athletico Madrid win the title!

Fully agree.

The EU are looking into Madrid for that reason, along witg Galatasaray, as they allege them receiving payments.

In the meantime there is nothing but deathly silence from UEFA.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 17:10:40
Cannot believe only 4400 turned up to watch Posh v Colchester last night.

Great chance of cementing a play off place and a chance to welcome their JPT winners.

Should be ashamed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 17:19:11
Cannot believe only 4400 turned up to watch Posh v Colchester last night.

Great chance of cementing a play off place and a chance to welcome their JPT winners.

Should be ashamed

I can, they are the definition of tinpot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 17:20:53
Pretty much a derby of sorts as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 17:43:23
Cannot believe only 4400 turned up to watch Posh v Colchester last night.

Great chance of cementing a play off place and a chance to welcome their JPT winners.

Should be ashamed

I was surprised by that as well....I guess the trip to Wembley at the weekend was expensive, and they're probably expecting a second visit in May.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 18:12:05
Pretty much a derby of sorts as well
yeah, only the 90 odd miles apart


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 19:11:51
67 - close enough


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 21:42:26
Preston fans getting a little worried about that fixing tomfoolery.

Ugh, I'd hate it if Swindon had players involved in all that ugly business in modern times. We've got Nile Ranger and that's enough drama :)


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 22:09:05
Having seen our last two abject performances at Deepdale I don't think they took any payments in games against us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Empathy Sloth on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 22:34:38
Preston fans getting a little worried about that fixing tomfoolery.

Ugh, I'd hate it if Swindon had players involved in all that ugly business in modern times. We've got Nile Ranger and that's enough drama :)
If anyone's gonna get involved out of our squad.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 3, 2014, 23:34:23
Preston fans getting a little worried about that fixing tomfoolery.

Ugh, I'd hate it if Swindon had players involved in all that ugly business in modern times. We've got Nile Ranger and that's enough drama :)

Some of us are still trying to get over Bronco Layne, Jimmy Gauld and Jack Fountain. Don't want to think about it again...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 4, 2014, 04:42:44
They are charged with bribery and money laundering.

Sounds more serious than spot fixing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, April 11, 2014, 12:36:14
Quote
Why are football matches kicking off seven minutes past this weekend?

All football games this weekend to start seven minutes later to mark Hillsborough anniversary

Exeter City’s away game vs Cheltenham will kick off at 15:07 this Saturday as a mark of respect and remembrance for the 96 Liverpool fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough 25 years ago.

All Premier League, Football League, Football Conference and FA Cup matches on the weekend will start seven minutes later than originally scheduled to mark the celebration.

http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html)

A very poor choice of word, surely?  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 11, 2014, 12:57:20
http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/football-matches-kicking-seven-minutes-past/story-20936198-detail/story.html)

A very poor choice of word, surely?  :(
Oh thats bad wording, unless it was written by a Man Utd fan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 11, 2014, 13:27:36
Oh fuck, I can see another one of 'those' responses coming.


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Friday, April 11, 2014, 21:08:31
Should just have the minutes silence imo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 11, 2014, 21:10:36
Wasn't it 3.07 that the game was stopped?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, April 11, 2014, 21:42:23
Wasn't it 3.07 that the game was stopped?

3.06...but we're having a mins silence then, so kick off is 3.07


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 11:27:52
Cardiff City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091




Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 11:37:55
Bloody hell Morshead, what kind of crazy trend have you started #leakgate


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 11:43:10
Cardiff City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091

Yeah they do seem to be going out of their way to make sure everyone is happy to see them relegated.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 11:47:50
Cardiff City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27062091



The Cardiff owner and pretty much the whole club are a fucking joke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 11:48:37
Saying that Poyet banned the Sun newspaper for the remainder of the season because they dared predict his team for the live game against Liverpool a few weeks back.

The Sun responded by calling them Derland, as they removed the Sun !!

Got to admit, in both instances, it is pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 11:53:34
Can the PL just relegate Cardiff as their owner is a complete cock?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:18:01
Welsh clubs have no rights


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 12:38:24
Welsh clubs have no rights
Yes they do. They have the right to play in the Welsh Premier League with Total Network Airbus and Clelllllwyynwnwnn Druids.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 15:04:41
I see Pox announced losses of 1.1m for last season...


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 17:01:56
How tragic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 17:17:31
 
I see Pox announced losses of 1.1m for last season...
Cheats.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:04:53
Yes they do. They have the right to play in the Welsh Premier League with Total Network Airbus and Clelllllwyynwnwnn Druids.

Oh good - a nice bit of Wales bashing.  I think the presence of Cardiff and Swansea in the premier league has been a good thing.  They are two of the more likeable clubs around and Swansea in particular have been one of the best clubs to watch on MOTD in the past two or three years.

We are all a bit inconsistent with the Wales thing - most of us I would guess would argue that Wales is not an independent nation, or even a nation at all - a principality, if you will - yet many would try to deny these decent clubs access to the competitive football league system in our country.  Would it do our leagues any good or bad to kick out Swansea, Cardiff, Newport and Wrexham?  No - but it would damage those clubs a massive amount. 

And before anyone asks - yes, I would happily have Celtic and Rangers in the football league.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:11:41
Cardiff, likeable? They have cunt fans and a wanky owner. They deserve all the shit going.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:13:50
They have a core of nasty fans.  They also have a majority of really friendly fans.  It a very friendly, lively city - much friendlier than you might think.  There's a lot of culture there and a good amount of diversity.

Disclaimer: I may or may not have lived in Cardiff for a while...


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:14:54
Disclaimer: I may or may not have lived in Swansea for a while :)


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:18:22
If Wales have their own Football association and their own National team, there can be no argument in favour of Welsh teams being in an English league.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:21:05
I certainly wouldn't want the jocks to follow suit. If they want that they can start in the lowest level and work their way up.

I don't have quite so much problem with the welsh, mainly because they don't have a professional league of their own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:24:32


I don't have quite so much problem with the welsh, mainly because they don't have a professional league of their own.

That's a really good distinction between the two actually - the Welsh league is in no way comparable to the Scottish league.  The four Welsh clubs in our system are historic clubs and deserve their places in the system.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:28:24
That's a really good distinction between the two actually - the Welsh league is in no way comparable to the Scottish league.  The four Welsh clubs in our system are historic clubs and deserve their places in the system.
You forgot City and Rovers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:30:53
You forgot City and Rovers.

Superb stuff.  Newcastle is in Scotland.  Bournemouth is in France.  Lowestoft is in the Netherlands.  Hey - it works everywhere!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:35:02
Fuck off Baggins you Welsh cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:41:41
I certainly wouldn't want the jocks to follow suit. If they want that they can start in the lowest level and work their way up.

I don't have quite so much problem with the welsh, mainly because they don't have a professional league of their own.

The Welsh clubs have played in the English leagues for years. What I hate though is that any disciplinary matters are dealt with the Welsh FA, and there has been a number of instances of the Welsh FA being very lenient to them.

Celtic and Rangers can just sod off.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:43:36
Can't disagree so69


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:43:39
The Welsh clubs have played in the English leagues for years. What I hate though is that eny disciplinary matters are dealt with the Welsh FA, and there has been a number of instances of the Welsh FA being very lenient to them.

Celtic and Rangers can just sod off.

Go on. Name one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:45:04
Go on. Name one.

Seem to remember Cardiff's captain (Johnson?) having his red card overturned before the FA Cup a few years ago?

Generally though, fine with Cardiff being in the English leagues. Wouldn't mind Scottish teams as long as they joined from the bottom, which they won't. Tan is a mentalist though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:52:21
Oh good - a nice bit of Wales bashing. .... [big rant cropped out] 
It was a tongue in cheek throwaway joke, actually, but happy to act as a stepladder for you to mount your high horse
And before anyone asks - yes, I would happily have Celtic and Rangers in the football league.
You were doing quite well until this bit - which English (or Welsh) clubs would you happily chuck out to make way for them?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:52:42
Taffs are here due to history.

The sweaties can fuck right off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:54:34
You were doing quite well until this bit - which English (or Welsh) clubs would you happily chuck out to make way for them?

Well, Franchise can go for a start...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 20:57:10
Well, Franchise can go for a start...
Well obviously. But they shouldn't be in in the first place. And they should be replaced by a proper club that deserves the place and has worked their way up. Not some shambolic bankrupt sectarian Glaswegian usurpers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:01:05
You were doing quite well until this bit - which English (or Welsh) clubs would you happily chuck out to make way for them?

No high horse - just an opinion that differs from yours.  Hope that's OK.   I'd happily chuck the Europa league and make the premier league 22 teams again.  That allows for two more teams starting in league 2 or the conference with no extra fixture congestion at the top in a competition nobody wants to be in anyway.  Tim Sherwood essentially said that today.

And yes - whoever said Franchise can go is right.  There's an argument for Bristol City 1982 as well.  


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:03:37
They have a core of nasty fans.  They also have a majority of really friendly fans.  It a very friendly, lively city - much friendlier than you might think.  There's a lot of culture there and a good amount of diversity.

Disclaimer: I may or may not have lived in Cardiff for a while...

We are going for a work away day (well night actually) in Cardiff in a few weeks.  Not sure whether to look forward to or dread it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:05:15
I'd happily chuck the Europa league and make the premier league 22 teams again.  That allows for two more teams starting in league 2 or the conference with no extra fixture congestion at the top in a competition nobody wants to be in anyway.  Tim Sherwood essentially said that today.
No problem with making room for two more teams in the English league system, but I don't see the argument for two Scottish teams filling those slots. It's wrong in the same way as the abomination that is the Milton Keynes Franchise monster is wrong, baffled how you can be opposed to one but advocate the other


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:07:09
Cardiff used to be a half decent night out. Assume it still is. Got it's chav element, but where hasn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:09:06
No high horse - just an opinion that differs from yours.
It doesn't, or rather I don't really care, my initial post was a joke. You just missed it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:09:32
Go on. Name one.

There has been an instance of a Cardiff player's red card not beng overturned but no additional punishment, which meant they were not suspended for the play-offs.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:11:29
There has been an instance of a Cardiff player's red card not beng overturned but no additional punishment, which meant they were not suspended for the play-offs.


Go on. Name another.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:12:24
I never said I was consistent..

I think the situations are different - MK stole a club.  Celtic and Rangers are historic clubs who suffer from the, albeit professional, league that they play in.  When that situation occurs in our country - which is the UK (we've conned FIFA and most of the world for a long time that England is a nation) - it doesn't make a lot of sense.  And yes - if you take that to its logical conclusion, I would support a UK premier league, with regionalised lower divisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:13:47
It doesn't, or rather I don't really care, my initial post was a joke. You just missed it.

I probably did miss it.  Please accept my apologies.  I'm not the brightest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:14:44
I probably did miss it.  Please accept my apologies.  I'm not the brightest.
In fairness it wasn't very funny, so easily missed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:18:47
I never said I was consistent..

I think the situations are different - MK stole a club.  Celtic and Rangers are historic clubs who suffer from the, albeit professional, league that they play in.  When that situation occurs in our country - which is the UK (we've conned FIFA and most of the world for a long time that England is a nation) - it doesn't make a lot of sense.  And yes - if you take that to its logical conclusion, I would support a UK premier league, with regionalised lower divisions.

That's fair enough. And I could see the argument for that, but if we're going to do that, we should do that, not half-arse it. How would promotion work though? Automatic admission to the UKPL for one team each from the English, Welsh, Scottish and Norn Irish football leagues (I could see the likes of Linfield struggling on their turn)? Or two teams each into a round-robin play off? Or weighted according to some kind of horrific UEFA-coefficient style system?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 17, 2014, 21:19:46
I would support a UK premier league, with regionalised lower divisions.

Stuff that. I bloody wouldn't, it would be crap.

And when it comes to football, we are England. The UK only existed for one Olympic games in my lifetime.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Friday, April 18, 2014, 07:18:53
It seems pretty simple to me.

If you are welsh you should be in the welsh league. If you are scottish you play in the scottish league.


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Friday, April 18, 2014, 09:51:37
Couldn't give a fuck about Rangers or Celtic for that matter. rangers are bent as fuck and as for Celtic they'd bring more supporters to away games than the bloody home fans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 18, 2014, 09:53:15
Do we really want hordes of hairy-arsed jocks running amok in our green and pleasant land?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, April 25, 2014, 14:36:58
Rangers...

After spending/wasting £70m in 2 years by winning the lowest two divisions, despite having the 2nd biggest turnover in Scottish football they want another £30m 'invested'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27153739


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, April 25, 2014, 14:54:03
A friend of mine who is a Man U fan facebooked the other day

'Moyes gets the boot, United share price increases by nearly 8% on the NYSE.'

I messaged back

'Football thing happens, fan talks about the stock exchange. I know its the way of things but I just wish it wasnt so'

When something you love becomes purely a business, its time to start reassessing your love.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Friday, April 25, 2014, 19:56:22
Rangers...

After spending/wasting £70m in 2 years by winning the lowest two divisions, despite having the 2nd biggest turnover in Scottish football they want another £30m 'invested'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27153739


Agreed the way Rangers have conducted themselves in the lower leagues, financially, is a disgrace.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 25, 2014, 20:02:47
Up the Gers  :)


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Friday, April 25, 2014, 21:05:22
Fuck them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 00:39:18
Chester getting relegated on goal difference. After all their struggles in recent years I was hoping they could stay up after their rise through the leagues. You have to wonder if they can bounce back again. Hope they do


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 09:27:50
That's fair enough. And I could see the argument for that, but if we're going to do that, we should do that, not half-arse it. How would promotion work though? Automatic admission to the UKPL for one team each from the English, Welsh, Scottish and Norn Irish football leagues (I could see the likes of Linfield struggling on their turn)? Or two teams each into a round-robin play off? Or weighted according to some kind of horrific UEFA-coefficient style system?


And do we change our minds on this if Scotland becomes independent?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 10:58:40
And do we change our minds on this if Scotland becomes independent?

One of the many benefits accruing when the Sweaties vote Yes in September, is that we'll be able to ditch the pretence that anyone is interested in Scottish football, and not clutter up media with the results of Brechin City etc.

Not certain how it will effect Berwick Rangers mind, as I'm unsure UEFA will sanction them competing in a foreign country.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, April 27, 2014, 12:04:44
Nile Ranger


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 28, 2014, 13:06:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27192069 Wimbledon deducted 3 points for fielding ineligible player. And for not being Sunderland.

Yes yes, fl v pl justice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 08:46:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27198306

Looks like their punishments will amount to a slap on the wrist followed by a cuddle and a packet of fruit pastilles so they don't feel too bad about it. I'm not saying they should automatically be banned from European competitions, but they've deliberately ignored/broken the rules and won't really suffer any meaningful consequences.

Quote
Under FFP, losses are limited to £37m (45m euros) over the past two years.
City posted combined losses of almost £149m for the past two seasons - £97m in 2012 and £51.6m in 2013.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 09:02:33
Made me wonder what a league table of the most profitable clubs in the country would look like. Has such a thing been done? Man City would be bottom of League Two, which would be crowded with Prem clubs, along with a few toxic ex's like Bolton and Birmingham. Would Arsenal win the Prem? Who would be the surprise clubs at that level? And how far down the leagues would you have to look before reaching break-even? Are there even 20 profitable clubs to fill the Prem?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 15:32:38
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27198306

Looks like their punishments will amount to a slap on the wrist followed by a cuddle and a packet of fruit pastilles so they don't feel too bad about it. I'm not saying they should automatically be banned from European competitions, but they've deliberately ignored/broken the rules and won't really suffer any meaningful consequences.


But FFP won't touch teams with 'historic debts', like Barcelona & Real Madrid with debts in excess of 500m, who have had the benefit of excess spending for the last 20 years or so, or Man U with big debts due to the Glazers leveraging their buyout on the clubs assets.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 18:41:08
The fact that football authorities don't have the same powers (or balls) to get rid of cuntish owners in the same way the NBA can

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27214758


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 18:44:21
Blatter would probably give him a seat on the board of FIFA

The corrupt child touching fucker


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:10:38
Bournemouth post a 15 million quid loss this season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:14:57
Bmuff went all out to gain promotion last season

Quote
Overall costs for wages and salaries were declared as £10,996,137 – an increase of more than £7million from the previous year

Thats some budget for a Lg1 team

They made a £15 million loss up till July 2013

Quote
The gap was plugged through the allocation of £7.4million worth of Preference shares and a loan of £8,749,167 from AFCB Enterprises Limited, the club’s parent company, controlled by Cherries owner Maxim Demin.

Full story here

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/11180579.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_declare___15million_losses/?ref=rss


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:15:37
Jeez that's a big ol' figure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:45:01
And they called us 'cheats' !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:50:26
I'm sure that their wage bill is about double what ours was last season.

And they paid over a million in compensation to get Howe back from Burnley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:58:02
Bournemouth post a 15 million quid loss this season

That's mahoosive.

The last time I checked, their owner was 'lending' the money with rather a high interest rate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:58:43
That's mahoosive.

The last time I checked, their owner was 'lending' the money with rather a high interest rate.

6% I believe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 21:05:15
Their turnover was just over £5m, so they 'lost' 3 times as much as their turnover.

And don't forget they paid £1.5m to host Real Madrid in a friendly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 22:31:37
All a load of fucking nonsense really.  I believe I made quite a few points about this at the time of us losing our backer, manager, star player etc etc.  Nothing against Muff, just they seem to be the prime example close to us recently that show the hypocrisy when the shitty press sniff a Swindon story.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 22:35:11
Bournemuff cunts! I'll give that chairman of their's another season until he gets bored and fucks off!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 11:45:01
I wonder if there is an 'exit strategy' should Demin lose interest?

We were lucky in that Black cleared much of the 'debt' when he couldn't take any more. Notts County were lucky that the new guy in charge cleared the debt created by the previous mob.

The 'Fit and Proper' (ahem) test should ensure that new owners remain responsible for whatever debt they create during their custodianship of a club, even when they hand over to a new regime. After all, the mortgage on my house stays with me, not with a future occupant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 12:13:23
 

Well bearing in mind that he 'loans' the club money, of which he is apparently charging the club 6% on, it'll be interesting what this years accounts look like, as it seems the FL lets clubs run up huge debts subject to clubs being backed by the likes of Black and Demin in Leagues 1 and 2, but for the Championship it reverts to the FFP model, where you can only make losses of a certain amount, and that is why QPR could be in trouble as they've posted massive losses of 60m.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 13:55:45
Seriously, fuck Bournemouth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 14:30:16
Seriously, fuck Bournemouth.

You really don't like Muff, do you?

 :rocket:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, April 30, 2014, 14:38:18
You really don't like Muff, do you?

 :rocket:

How'd you guess?!


Title: Re:
Post by: Norfolkred on Sunday, May 4, 2014, 20:10:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27192069 Wimbledon deducted 3 points for fielding ineligible player. And for not being Sunderland.

Yes yes, fl v pl justice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27276629

This legal challenge was always going to happen if Sunderland only just avoided relegation! Especially with AFC Wimbledon also being docked points


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, May 4, 2014, 20:55:03
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27276629

This legal challenge was always going to happen if Sunderland only just avoided relegation! Especially with AFC Wimbledon also being docked points
Unlikely to succeed, they let West Ham off and they played an ineligible player for a long time!!




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, May 4, 2014, 20:55:56
There's a rule for the rich and the rest of us just have to get on with it!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 5, 2014, 08:34:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-27270357
The world cup will be fun....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, May 5, 2014, 08:37:29
You couldn't pay me to go and watch that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 5, 2014, 08:38:01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-27270357
The world cup will be fun....

Bit of a shit way to go


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 5, 2014, 10:06:38
Bit of a shit way to go
this is no place for toilet humor tans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 5, 2014, 10:12:32
this is no place for toilet humor tans
We will flush him out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, May 5, 2014, 10:15:15
He's just yanking your chain


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, May 5, 2014, 10:22:49
I guess that Brazil's hopes of hosting a major tournament ever again down the pan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 5, 2014, 10:38:41
Stop taking the piss.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 5, 2014, 12:19:42
I guess that Brazil's hopes of hosting a major tournament ever again down the pan

So, whose bright idea was to give them the Olympics as well?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, May 5, 2014, 17:27:35
So, whose bright idea was to give them the Olympics as well?
Don't worry, they will have replaced the toilets by then.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chunky monkey on Monday, May 5, 2014, 18:13:21
Don't worry, they will have replaced the toilets by then.

That's actually quite good


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Monday, May 5, 2014, 19:33:48
That's actually quite good
;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Thursday, May 15, 2014, 21:15:04
Quote
Interestingly, Wayne Rooney also signed his new contract during the period concerned, but it is not thought the striker's deal resulted in any material wage rise.

Instead, United will provide commercial personnel and expertise to assist in maximising the revenue from his personal image rights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27403370 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27403370)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:45:34
David James declaring himself bankrupt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, May 16, 2014, 12:02:41
Lionel Messi reported new contract at £700k per week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Friday, May 16, 2014, 15:11:16
Don't know what planet you get your reports from.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 16, 2014, 17:45:51
David James declaring himself bankrupt.

Did he have a calamity with his wallet


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, May 16, 2014, 18:16:19
Never was very good at saving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, May 16, 2014, 20:12:06
Never was very good at saving.

 :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 16, 2014, 20:17:49
FA Cup final kicking off at 5pm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 16, 2014, 20:53:14
FA Cup final kicking off at 5pm

What are you on about? That'll be something like 9am in Los Angeles and midday in New York.

Perfect.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wiggy on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 14:53:22
FA Cup final kicking off at 5pm

I was just moaning about this elsewhere. I could have got away with sitting on my ass watching that, the wife thinks I will do jobs now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 15:10:51
What are you on about? That'll be something like 9am in Los Angeles and midday in New York.

Perfect.

The final should be at 3pm...End of.

Instead I'll be watch the Barca v At Madrid title decider. Stuff ITV !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 15:23:42
How come the Nou Camp holds the best part of 100,000 and they have given Atletico 500 tickets?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 15:27:31
How come the Nou Camp holds the best part of 100,000 and they have given Atletico 500 tickets?

That's pretty poor on Barca, buy they're pulling every trick in the book. It's win or bust for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 15:44:32
Fans generally don't travel that much in Spain but it does seem pretty tight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 16:59:21
BT Sport having no less than 6 - yes 6 - 'pundits' on the pitch discussing the first half of the Cup Final!  Six?  Why FFS?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 17:25:11
The final should be at 3pm...End of.

Instead I'll be watch the Barca v At Madrid title decider. Stuff ITV !!

... English "fans" who'd rather watch some Spanish game than England's major cup final. Especially ones who've been moaning about TV/FA etc devaluing the cup.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 17:54:56
Neil Warnock


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:15:31
... English "fans" who'd rather watch some Spanish game than England's major cup final.

To be fair it's a title decider against the top two with Barca needing to win on the final day of the season. You don't see that very often. The last time I saw it was when Arsenal won at Anfield in '89.

Congrats to Atletico Madrid, who has done it on a smaller budget than QPR, when they got relegated last season.

Sorry, but when the FA grows some balls and insist that the FA Cup winners get a CL spot, which means the PL clubs take the competition seriously from the start, then they can call it the 'major Cup Final'. At the moment, the 3rd,4th and 5th round of the cup is treated the same as the League Cup in the early rounds.

Anyway, I'm watching extra time...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:18:25
 :fishing: that's a lovely big bite, cheers.

You watch what the fuck you want, it's your telly :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:27:07
:fishing: that's a lovely big bite, cheers.

You watch what the fuck you want, it's your telly :)

Bugger !!! >:( :-[


Title: Re:
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:36:26
Neil Warnock

Came on to write this. Massive chip on his shoulder.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:39:49
Massive chip on his shoulder.

Jed might want this for his pub/bistro.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 18:49:44
... English "fans" who'd rather watch some Spanish game than England's major cup final. Especially ones who've been moaning about TV/FA etc devaluing the cup.

I haven't watched a cup final for years...essentially coinciding with it's devaluation, teams putting out weakened sides, Man U being allowed to skip competing, final ko and time being shunted around....that sort of thing.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, May 17, 2014, 19:03:56
Fans generally don't travel that much in Spain but it does seem pretty tight.
To be fair, the country is a tad bigger than ours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 08:44:16
Is it just me who doesn't like the way they present the FA Cup and I guess any cup at Wembley.
Captain leads the team up, they all gather at the top, the captain squeezes back past everyone to lift the trophy then passes it on.

What was wrong with Captain goes up lifts the trophy, passes to the next person and goes back down with the manager being last and taking the trophy back down with him...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 09:26:54
Is it just me who doesn't like the way they present the FA Cup and I guess any cup at Wembley.
Captain leads the team up, they all gather at the top, the captain squeezes back past everyone to lift the trophy then passes it on.

What was wrong with Captain goes up lifts the trophy, passes to the next person and goes back down with the manager being last and taking the trophy back down with him...

I agree.

Captain followed by the goalkeeper and then the rest. No messing about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnGL7efs-Ig


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 13:00:51
This cunt!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 13:37:00
This cunt!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)

He should be nailed to a post pointing towards Hull as an example to all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 14:54:02
I agree.

Captain followed by the goalkeeper and then the rest. No messing about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnGL7efs-Ig

Fully agree. You can blame UEFA/FIFA, who leave the presenting of the cup to last, and now it seems everyone seems to do it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 15:04:23
This cunt!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)

And a Full Kit Wanker to boot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 16:38:07
I'd be more worried about the bloke taking photos in the men's lavs.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Only Me on Sunday, May 18, 2014, 17:55:40
I'd be more worried about the bloke taking photos in the men's lavs.
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, May 19, 2014, 20:58:08
I'm not sure what I despise more, the attempt from Nike to exploit Arsenal's cup win or the shirt itself.

http://www.footballshirtculture.com/14/15-Kits/arsenal-limited-edition-nike-shirt-to-commemorate-fa-cup-victory.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 19, 2014, 21:01:27
That might be the ugliest thing I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 19, 2014, 21:11:18
That might be the ugliest
 thing I've ever seen.

Jo Brand?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 19, 2014, 21:16:33


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/jamiethon/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jamiethon/media/cunt_zps5d36ce6a.jpg.html)

The kit was always going to clash, but blue trainers and THAT hat?  :suicide:

Maybe Gok arriba could give him some fashion tips.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 19, 2014, 21:31:27
I have them trainers, minus the rest of the outfit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, May 19, 2014, 22:09:12
I have them trainers, minus the rest of the outfit.

You walk around naked in a pair of Adidas trainers?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 19, 2014, 22:52:09
It's ten times better than the fella in the Hull kit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 12:19:34
Yaya spitting the dummy over his birthday snub (if true).

Get over yourself you massive cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 12:25:45
There's a video of him receiving a birthday cake on his birthday though...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 15:49:01
Rotherham announcing they have sold 12,000 tickets for their PO Final.

I would have kept that quiet TBH


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 15:57:15
Rotherham announcing they have sold 12,000 tickets for their PO Final.

I would have kept that quiet TBH

Not quite sure why that's wrong....however the Conference PO had 19,000.  What's the point of using a 90,000 stadium for that?  They used to use Villa Park up until the FA got desperate for ever more cash, to pay for their white elephant.

This makes much more sense...Cambridge and Gateshead, could have used something like Pride Park, got a few more in and had a proper atmosphere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:00:55
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:02:27
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me

It is only Tuesday. Isn't the final on Sunday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:06:08
Not the biggest fanbase going, long journey, something around 15/16K is about par id say.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:10:01
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me
They have announced 16,000 today and it is the first day of general sale.

http://www.themillers.co.uk/news/article/wembley-ticket-update-205-1566401.aspx


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 16:14:38
Perhaps I'm just a grumpy fucker at the moment.

Not much happening so stick the boot into Fatty and Associates


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 17:26:45
There's a video of him receiving a birthday cake on his birthday though...

Yaya Toure put the wheels in motion when he did that Rodney Dangerfieldesque 'no respect' schtick some weeks back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 18:10:37
Yaya spitting the dummy over his birthday snub (if true).

Get over yourself you massive cunt.
for a change i agree with you.
His agent moaning that Anzhi got roberto carlos a bugatti veyron. 1. Look where they are now.   2. You earn enough to buy one yourself you greedy cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 19:42:25
Just that 12,000 seems a bit shit to me

Doncaster's catchment is basically Doncaster.  So not that bad really.  Goes back to the point in another thread about every northern small to mid size town having its own team.  Go 5 miles up the road and folk will be supporting someone else.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:01:10
Rotherham please!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:06:33
Ha!  I think that more or less proves my point.  They're all the bloody same to me!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:12:39
Today is the 10th anniversary.

Adam F. Virgo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:23:48
If you wouldn't mind me subverting the thread into "What's wrong with Cricket"

Giles Clarke, Chairman of the ECB, on captain Alistair Cook

"He is a very determined guy, a very good role model and he and his family are very much the sort of people we want the England captain and his family to be."

Great, he might not be much of a captain but he went to the right school and is a good country fellow from a landed family, so he's in charge. I don't mind Cook but Clarke is a total arse.

Oh, and my 10,000th post is complaining about Cricket. Sums up my contribution really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:27:15
Perhaps I'm just a grumpy fucker at the moment.

Not much happening so stick the boot into Fatty and Associates

I don't think we're in much of a position to consider Roverum's attendances as wrong, if you consider they averaged 351 more than us this season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:29:54
Yeah, but I'd like to think that if we were in their position for most of the season we would have attracted quite a few more.

Of course, the new stadium factor has added to it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:30:32
Didn't they double their average in a single season or something?  Good statistic to quote to all the naysayers who think we're rooted to 8,000 to 9,000 in perpetuity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 20, 2014, 20:48:55
Yeah, but I'd like to think that if we were in their position for most of the season we would have attracted quite a few more.

Of course, the new stadium factor has added to it

Well last season we were in at least as good a position and for a while in the auto places, and were 78 better off a game.

However you want to look at it our home crowds, entitle us to be around the top ten of Div 3 and not much more.... like Roverum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 12:09:04
Was reading the article about Villa being up for sale on the BBC site and found Paul Lamberts comments rather worrying

There's nothing imminent. I don't know how long it takes to sell a football club. It's not like you're selling a car or a house."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27485236

I think we need to get Bob Holt in there soonish to help they obviously dont understand



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 16:02:03
He seems to have missed the point.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/latest/carlisle-utd-chief-not-against-league-three-plans-1.1137180?cache=cachehiguain%253Fresourceview%253Dvideo%253Fshowresult%25253%253FshowResult%253D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 17:05:23
He seems to have missed the point.

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlisle-united/latest/carlisle-utd-chief-not-against-league-three-plans-1.1137180?cache=cachehiguain%253Fresourceview%253Dvideo%253Fshowresult%25253%253FshowResult%253D

And a Carlisle fans comeback :

http://www.keithmincher.com/no-to-league-three-a-dear-john-letter/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 17:20:58
And a Carlisle fans comeback :

http://www.keithmincher.com/no-to-league-three-a-dear-john-letter/

That is a quality piece....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 19:09:32
That is a quality piece....
Particularly this bit:

Quote
Tell them this is what we’re good at. What Crewe are good at. And Southampton. And Swindon.

It makes a pleasant change to see a rival team's fan saying something good about us.....


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, May 22, 2014, 20:33:47
Enjoyed reading that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 23, 2014, 12:27:36
£50m for David Luiz (allegedly).

The world has actually gone mad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 23, 2014, 13:04:35
£50m for David Luiz (allegedly).

The world has actually gone mad.

That's also to cover his hair products...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 23, 2014, 14:17:13
Seriously, considering that PSG were one of the clubs which failed the FFP, and they get nowhere near the same TV revenue as English clubs, I think you can safely say PSG and their Qatari owners are totally ignoring FFP.

Of course, the Qatari owners were backed to buy PSG by a certain Michel Platini.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 23, 2014, 15:05:18
Seriously, considering that PSG were one of the clubs which failed the FFP, and they get nowhere near the same TV revenue as English clubs, I think you can safely say PSG and their Qatari owners are totally ignoring FFP.

Of course, the Qatari owners were backed to buy PSG by a certain Michel Platini.
And they are also being fined/punished for breaching FFP in exactly the same way as Man City are. You seem to have an obsession that Platini is somehow "letting off" PSG while harshly punishing Man City, but, like most Daily Mail-inspired "the nasty French are picking on us" conspiracy theories it's just not true.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 23, 2014, 18:52:51
And they are also being fined/punished for breaching FFP in exactly the same way as Man City are. You seem to have an obsession that Platini is somehow "letting off" PSG while harshly punishing Man City, but, like most Daily Mail-inspired "the nasty French are picking on us" conspiracy theories it's just not true.

Yeah, Platini is a massive knobjockey no matter which way you slice it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 23, 2014, 19:34:45
The 24 clubs in the Championship apparently have a total of £1bn debt between them

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/22/championship-finances-1bn-debt-financial-fair-play-premier-league

Jesus. Fucking. Wept.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 23, 2014, 19:39:27
It can't last.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 23, 2014, 19:48:26
To be fair, at least £900m of that is Bournemouth. Probably


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, May 23, 2014, 19:52:20
Does make you wonder if trying to get there is worth the effort (and cost).

Be interesting to see if Yeovil, as a club, benefitted by their brief stay or whether Bmuff will end up as another Bristol City - chucking money at the lure of the PL, only to sink back to their origins saddled with debt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 23, 2014, 22:22:49
To be fair, at least £900m of that is Bournemouth. Probably

FUCKING ALL OF IT IS DEFINITELY BOURNEMOUTH THE CHEATING CUNTY CUNTS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 09:36:13
Don't forget QPR, as widely reported their wage bill in the Championship is bigger than Dortmand's


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 09:50:00
Dortmand aren't in the Championship....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 09:51:20
Don't forget QPR, as widely reported their wage bill in the Championship is bigger than Dortmand's

Added to the squad costing more than Athletico's. Kind of the definition of "spunking money up a wall". Seriously though, their squad is silly, every time I think "This player wasn't bad in 2005 or so, I wonder what they're doing now?" the answer is QPR - SWP, Luke Young, Jermaine Jenas, Assou Ekotto, Richard Dunne, Yossi Benayoun, Joey Barton, Andy Johnson, Kevin Doyle, Aaron Hughes, Bobby Zamora, Gary O'Neill, the list goes on and on like a weird England B team from 2008.

Charlie is about the only one of their players who could be accused of being in his prime.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 10:51:14
Added to the squad costing more than Athletico's. Kind of the definition of "spunking money up a wall".
Employ Redknapp as a manager and that's what you get. I'd like to think he has the words "Spunking money up a wall since 1986" emblazoned on a heraldic ribbon round a thick brown envelope rampant as his personal coat of arms. But the journos love him so he can do no wrong.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 11:10:18
Joey Barton,

Good intelligent player. He must be, he's a question time guest on Thursday. With Pier Morgan. Oh.

My theory is that they are trying to appeal to Sun readers, whom we all know like a pair of tits


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 19:16:21
qpr


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 21:18:16
qpr

Did I read that they would/will fall foul of FFP if they get promoted.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, May 24, 2014, 21:20:18
Thank god Real Madrid won, I get the impression that Clive Tyldesley was commentating wearing full Real Madrid kit so he may have cried if Athletico had won.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, May 25, 2014, 16:09:58
In play betting odds being displayed on the advertising signs round the pitch at Wembley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, May 25, 2014, 17:16:59
Good intelligent player. He must be, he's a question time guest on Thursday. With Pier Morgan. Oh.

My theory is that they are trying to appeal to Sun readers, whom we all know like a pair of tits

I'm not sure Piers Morgan appeals to Sun readers, more Clarkson hitting him yes...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, May 25, 2014, 19:09:22
Did I read that they would/will fall foul of FFP if they get promoted.

Yep, if they recorded a similar loss this season then the FL "should" have to place a £49m fine on them for over spending - only allowed a £8m loss, and that is only if the owner injects £5m in equity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, May 26, 2014, 14:09:21
Faced with the sentence:

"Cristiano Ronaldo ___ an enormous cock."

Cristiano would use a different verb to the rest of the world.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 26, 2014, 14:19:15
"munches"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 26, 2014, 16:19:35
Is isn't a verb.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, May 26, 2014, 16:27:44
Is isn't a verb.

Interesting theory.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 27, 2014, 15:22:56
Hehehehehe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, June 22, 2014, 12:48:05
'Arry blaming foreign youngsters for the state of the national team:

"Now when you look at Chelsea and Manchester City, certainly in the last few years, they've got an awful lot of foreign lads in their teams. That is a problem as well."

so what happens when we fill youth teams with young English players and you're still signing ageing foreigners on the cheap? How are they going to get experience?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, June 22, 2014, 18:16:19
redknapp you cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 23, 2014, 08:26:28
Gerrard calls out 'Arry Cuntknapp. How much bullshit do we think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27969231


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 23, 2014, 08:36:23
Gerrard calls out 'Arry Cuntknapp. How much bullshit do we think?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27969231

I've always assumed that there are players who don't want the hassle of playing for England...so no real surprise that Arry has come out with this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, June 23, 2014, 14:26:56
I've always assumed that there are players who don't want the hassle of playing for England...so no real surprise that Arry has come out with this.

Indeed.  The fact that Gerrard rabbits on about players wanting to be at the World Cup is nonsense, of course they do then, they are in the shop window.  For the friendlies and less glamourous qualifies, I have no doubt that plenty avoid them.  Players "retire" from international football for gods sake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 23, 2014, 16:27:57
I would love it just be to be Arry bullshitting though. I'm sure there are players who have thought this, but whether he's encountered them or not only he and they know.

Much like 'that guy' in the pub who knows about everything and bullshits his way through conversations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 23, 2014, 16:42:39
David Bentley strikes me as a player who wouldn't give a shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 23, 2014, 17:02:36
David Bentley probably fell out of love with football the day his 6 year £50,000 per-week contract came to an end at Spurs.

He averaged less than 10 games a year with Spurs (not including his mediocre loan spells). Truly, £15 million well spent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, June 23, 2014, 20:48:25
St George flags with 'England' printed on them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 23, 2014, 22:23:32
St George flags with 'England' printed on them.

Not just football but generally.

I don't like how the St. George's flag has been co-opted to such an extent that I feel by hanging one up people would think I'm a racist. Although I doubtless live in a village full of them, I don't want people to think I'M one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 16:59:42
Bollox !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28069689


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 17:04:39
Bollox !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28069689


Is laughable really
Bucktoothed fuckwit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 17:09:02
Bollox !!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28069689


I still think this is the way to go:

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608016727626418964&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 17:13:43
Is laughable really
Bucktoothed fuckwit

Now Uruguay/Suarez have appealed, FIFA should extend the ban to 12 months, for being in total denial, and make him see shrinks.

I see that fat Argie cheat is backing him. Says it all really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 19:28:05
I do like the fact that 888 have sacked him. So to be a racist and twice cannibal was ok but a racist and three time cannibal is unacceptable. Weird values.
Until he accepts he has done wrong there is no hope for him and his behaviour will continue. Clubs will still sign him though and Uruguay will still pick him. There is no morality or ethics in football.
The fact he will miss some Liverpool games really pleases me. They were a bunch of cunts ( particularly the professional victim Dalgliesh ) over him after he racially abused Evra.  
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 19:41:29
Yeah the tshirt thing was cringeworthy. Dalglish was a prick about the whole thing aswell


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 19:44:53
Whatever work permit he has in the UK should be withdrawn. Don't let him back in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 19:48:21
Maybe he should be placed in quarantine like you would an animal that enters the uk.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Saturday, June 28, 2014, 20:03:47
Brentford spending 7 figures on Odubajo.

Fucccckkk.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 10:18:46
Suarez is now saying that whilst stumbling,his mouth collided with the defenders shoulder causing him pain to his teeth. It's such a ridiculous and frivolous claim that his ban should be extended in regards to international matches due to Uraguays unequivocal and blinkered support of him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 22:00:06
Suarez is now saying that whilst stumbling,his mouth collided with the defenders shoulder causing him pain to his teeth. It's such a ridiculous and frivolous claim that his ban should be extended in regards to international matches due to Uraguays unequivocal and blinkered support of him.

FIFA took Suarez's explanation / excuse, failure to acknowledge what he had done and lack of remorse in to account when deciding the punishment. Wouldn't have been so severe if he'd come clean. It's in the disciplinary committee report.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMR on Sunday, June 29, 2014, 22:31:13
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, June 30, 2014, 07:12:09
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...
There is none of this I agree with


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 30, 2014, 07:24:26
There is none of this I agree with

Suarez IS a cock...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chunky monkey on Monday, June 30, 2014, 07:48:22
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...

Deary me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, June 30, 2014, 08:37:27
I don't really get all the outrage. Yes, Suarez is a cock but its not a career ending tackle or a result-influencing act. It's actually quite funny. Football needs more loons. 4 months is harsh.

Look at how Uruguay backed him, then compare it to say, English reaction to Beckham in 98. And people wonder why other nations' players want to play for their country and why our players don't...

I agree with most of this. It's certainly funny. As is this mass outrage.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 30, 2014, 09:48:06
I agree with most of this. It's certainly funny. As is this mass outrage.

Yep, I agree with DMR too, scary! The over the top outrage makes me chuckle.  Suarez is indeed a cock, and deserves to be punished but if Suarez deserves 4 months then Keane should have been inprisoned for 12 months for his tackle on Alfie, and Tyson should have been hung drawn and quartered for biting an ear off...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Monday, June 30, 2014, 09:53:14
I think a lot of people are confusing their shock that he actually did it again, with shock at what he did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, June 30, 2014, 10:15:54
I can see what DRM is saying, it's a catch 22 situation.

Should suarez have been punished? Yes, probably for longer that 4 months.

If I was on the receiving end it's pretty obvious I'd prefer a bite on my shoulder over a career ending leg break in which the other player would only get a 3 match ban,


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: otanswell on Monday, June 30, 2014, 18:14:13
I do like the fact that 888 have sacked him. So to be a racist and twice cannibal was ok but a racist and three time cannibal is unacceptable. Weird values.
Until he accepts he has done wrong there is no hope for him and his behaviour will continue. Clubs will still sign him though and Uruguay will still pick him. There is no morality or ethics in football.
The fact he will miss some Liverpool games really pleases me. They were a bunch of cunts ( particularly the professional victim Dalgliesh ) over him after he racially abused Evra.  
Ku Klux Justice Piss stained Tramp kenny dalglish


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 08:05:27
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-paddy-kenny

As much as I'm enjoying taking the piss out of Leeds supporting mates, this man is quite insane and should not be allowed anywhere near a club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 08:19:13
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/03/massimo-cellino-leeds-united-paddy-kenny

As much as I'm enjoying taking the piss out of Leeds supporting mates, this man is quite insane and should not be allowed anywhere near a club

'Leeds are now embarking on a cost-cutting process that has seen the canteen at their training ground closed down, meaning the players have to take packed lunches or send out for sandwiches. The players are also being made to pay to have their kits washed.'

Marching on together! :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 08:34:49
'Leeds are now embarking on a cost-cutting process that has seen the canteen at their training ground closed down, meaning the players have to take packed lunches or send out for sandwiches. The players are also being made to pay to have their kits washed.'

Marching on together! :D
Couldnt happen to a nicer club and set of fans :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 09:03:08
'washing up together '


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, July 3, 2014, 09:32:49
Waccoe - we are cleaning, cleaning our equipment.  we are cooking, cooking our eats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, July 4, 2014, 20:45:07
Neymar has 54 caps for Brazil at the age of 22.

I get the feeling that if he was English he would be lucky to have 10 England caps.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:02:24
Well you would be wrong, wouldn't you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:18:35
Brazil.  Dirty long ball merchants who own the refs. 21 fouls against Columbias 14 at this stage and no yellow cards.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:28:56
And the linesman thinks 'how can i disallow this Colombia goal'.

Coming to the conclusion we may as well give up,  give them the trophy and go home!


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:34:08
How many free kicks? Great goal but this Brazil team zzzzzzz. That said, I'd love England to do this!


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:39:21
Oooh. Game on!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 21:45:14
Currently 29 free kicks ignoring the ones the ref has ignored or somehow awarded to the brazilians.  There were 33 free kicks between the 2 sides in the other game today.  Thats an extrodinary amount for one team.  And they are so fucking hoofy.  

Im beginning to think the competition is not entirely without corruption.

Frankly its as bent as wrestling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:00:35
It's kind of funny how loathsome this Brazil squad are, it's the stuff of pantomime.

It would be delightful to see the Germans dismantle them... but we all know this is Brazil's cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:13:04
Chris Waddle's not mincing his words then -

"If Brazil win this World Cup they will be the worst team ever to win it.
"This Brazil side don't let anybody start passing the ball, they stop the game and obstruct the opposition when there is a problem. Julio Cesar has to get a red card there is no doubt, and Colombia will feel aggrieved to have lost. Brazil should have had five or six more yellow cards - they are getting away with murder.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:15:47
I've got a feeling Chris Waddle knows his stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ct5puqTSi0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:23:24
Why do you know these things exist.  And worse why have you inflicted it on me.

I was watching the match in Norway which was like watching it with fast show commentary.  Chris Waddle was never mentioned.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:26:21
Why do you know these things exist.  And worse why have you inflicted it on me.

I'm fascinated by footballers dabbling in 'music'. My favourite is Gascoinge's follow-up to Fog on the Tyne. I say favourite....  :doh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU0-fmKI0lU


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:29:04
Im not falling for that again.

Must. Not. Press. Play...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 4, 2014, 22:30:25
Im not falling for that again.

Must. Not. Press. Play...


(http://shechive.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/post-25179-you-can-do-it-gif-serious-rob-rnbk.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 08:59:35
(http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y304/gk_nash/10473207_723565394369410_551256107588787650_n.jpg) (http://s1024.photobucket.com/user/gk_nash/media/10473207_723565394369410_551256107588787650_n.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 10:14:33
Ha ha that's brilliant. Isn't that our own Washbag artist?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 10:18:39
The Sunshine Room (so yes?). He's been in prolific form this WC on Facebook.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 10:22:40
Link? The Sunshine Room I found on fb is full of girly decorations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 10:29:41
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Sunshine-Room/186216054771016


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, July 5, 2014, 10:31:09
Ah, that's better. Thanks. He's superb.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, July 15, 2014, 20:09:52
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9383310/sky-bet-championship-blackpool-cancel-pre-season-tour-to-spain

Deary me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:15:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28770356


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:29:27
Even Blatter and Platini can see how stupid it is. Imagine being the lucky city who bids millions of pounds and ends up with Burnley v Leicester and Hull v Stoke!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:41:49
If they want to take some games abroad, take them from the current fixtures, and not play an extra game, which is unfair.

The clubs don't want to do that as half the sides will lose their 'home' advantage, and piss off their season ticket holders.

At the end of the day, the winning countries will want the big sides, but Hull, Stoke and the rest....

Will Scudamore just do one?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:53:18
I'm obviously in the minority in not seeing a problem with it.

The major American sports leagues have been having a lot of success taking games abroad and will only increase the number of games over the coming years. If the Premier League don't do it then another league will and they'll risk losing foreign market share by not being first.

They can split the big teams up so every host city gets one and I'd imagine they'd announce the teams before the bidding.

Main reason Blatter and Platini are opposed is it could increase the power of the Premier League even further. Though why anyone would take seriously the opinion of people that think getting women to play in tight shorts and Qatar hosting the World Cup are good ideas is beyond me.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:53:48
If they want to take some games abroad, take them from the current fixtures, and not play an extra game, which is unfair.
Or just keep with the current system of playing a couple of pre-season fixtures against some other big sides abroad and dressing it up as some kind of fake tournament. The Yanks don't know the difference, the clubs get the squillions they're after, the merchandise sells like hot cakes and proper fans don't care if they miss out on the Missouri Milk Shake Bowl Trophy. Everyone's happy. Apart from Richard fucking Scudamore.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:55:32
I'm obviously in the minority in not seeing a problem with it.

The major American sports leagues have been having a lot of success taking games abroad and will only increase the number of games over the coming years. If the Premier League don't do it then another league will and they'll risk losing foreign market share by not being first.
Ooh, that would be terrible. The Premier League risk losing foreign market share? Too awful to contemplate. I demand they double the price of season tickets immediately to pay for at least 3 games abroad per season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:55:51
I'm obviously in the minority in not seeing a problem with it.

The major American sports leagues have been having a lot of success taking games abroad and will only increase the number of games over the coming years.



The NFL games are regular season ones NOT additional fixtures just to make cash
Thats the difference I guess


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 20:58:21
Ooh, that would be terrible. The Premier League risk losing foreign market share? Too awful to contemplate. I demand they double the price of season tickets immediately to pay for at least 3 games abroad per season.

Not sure what your point is. Personally I don't give a shit.

The owners of the Premier League clubs do. Scudamore works for them and part of his job is increasing income, so he does as well. You might not like it but it's pointless trying to fight it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:00:34
The NFL games are regular season ones NOT additional fixtures just to make cash
Thats the difference I guess

Don't think it would be possible for them to hold 16 extra games abroad - just isn't the support outside the US for the sport.

They can also get away with moving regular season games abroad, which you couldn't with the Premier League.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:01:21
The NFL games are regular season ones NOT additional fixtures just to make cash
Thats the difference I guess
It's not the only issue. You play all teams home and away and everything is even for all teams. You take a regular game out then it fucks that up.

Some may not care I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:15:42
Don't think it would be possible for them to hold 16 extra games abroad - just isn't the support outside the US for the sport.


Theres the difference
The NFL taking games abroad is to promote the game and give new fans a chance to watch a live game where as the PLs motive is money
Greed pure and simple


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:19:22
Not sure what your point is. Personally I don't give a shit.

The owners of the Premier League clubs do. Scudamore works for them and part of his job is increasing income, so he does as well.
Do they really? The clubs that will draw crowds for those kinds of games, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea etc already do very nicely out of their pre-season tours, so they don't need a Game 39. Man Utd-Real sold out a 110,000 ground a week or so ago, they're not going to get more than that for a Game 39. Whereas do the likes of Hull, Crystal Palace, Stoke etc really need to be playing out a game no-one except their own fans care about half way round the world? Don't know that there's the appetite for a Game 39 at all, hence why it was shelved a few years back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, August 13, 2014, 21:37:25
Theres the difference
The NFL taking games abroad is to promote the game and give new fans a chance to watch a live game where as the PLs motive is money
Greed pure and simple

Yeah, the NFL definitely aren't cashing in.

 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 04:20:44
Yeah, the NFL definitely aren't cashing in.

 ::)

ALL income is shared between all 32 teams in the NFL.
So not as if the teams coming here cash in.
The NFL as an organisation may make something from the Wembley games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 06:15:36
The nfl coming to England is about little else than money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 06:19:39
The nfl coming to England is about little else than money
Correct. There is absolutely no other reason. I love the sport, but the NFL as an organization is just a despicable money making machine. They're very good at it though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 09:11:28
The hypocrisy of Scudamore; 3 months after refusing to resign having been caught sending sexist e-mails, slags off Suarez, as being bad for the Premier League brand.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 09:26:22
The hypocrisy of Scudamore; 3 months after refusing to resign having been caught sending sexist e-mails, slags off Suarez, as being bad for the Premier League brand.

Sexists can have opinions too, Reg.

You should know about that  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 09:56:40
Sexists can have opinions too, Reg.

You should know about that  ;)

 Sexism, whether in sport, or wider society is an interesting debating point....which cropped up in my quiz team on Monday night. I expressed my concern that as a unit we are failing to identify female participants in sporting events, and personally, in  music etc and wondered if the root cause was unconscious sexism?

One of the lads, who does quite a bit of quiz setting, was relating how he'd done something for a local PTA, and got slagged off because in  the picture round he'd put Victoria Azarenka and Caroline Wozniaki....and nobody got them, and the consensus was just too difficult....he'd been thinking, well both been recent number ones, and they wouldn't be getting Simone Halep and Petra Kvitova, current 2 and 3.

Now tennis, along with athletics is probably the most high profile female sport, yet even here the general populus doesn't take much notice....so the women's rugby WC is going to struggle for recognition.

As for  wider society it's a proper minefield out there.

http://everydaysexism.com/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 10:14:20
....so the women's rugby WC is going to struggle for recognition.

Unless they played naked


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 10:49:18
Correct. There is absolutely no other reason. I love the sport, but the NFL as an organization is just a despicable money making machine. They're very good at it though.

They are, but the one thing that differentiates it from the Premier League is that they aim for parity among the teams.

Income is shared evenly between all of the teams, and the salary cap is rigorously enforced so getting a wealthy owner doesn't automatically mean the team will become a contender.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:26:29
Southampton paying £12.5m for Shane Long

Are they fucking mad?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:44:55
Southampton paying £12.5m for Shane Long

Are they fucking mad?

My thoughts exactly. Hull virtually doubled their money from a striker that scored 4 in 16...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:46:01
Southampton paying £12.5m for Shane Long

Are they fucking mad?

Maybe not mad, but I bet they are pretty fucking desperate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:48:42
I honestly don't get why Brit/Irish players command such high prices

No wonder Carlos Kickaball is so much in demand


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 11:56:26
They are, but the one thing that differentiates it from the Premier League is that they aim for parity among the teams.

Income is shared evenly between all of the teams, and the salary cap is rigorously enforced so getting a wealthy owner doesn't automatically mean the team will become a contender.

The main difference is the NFL is a profit making business whilst the PL is a pissing match for rich people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 14, 2014, 12:02:52
I honestly don't get why Brit/Irish players command such high prices

No wonder Carlos Kickaball is so much in demand

The Prem money men, know that it is important to have at least some domestic players at a club for the fans to relate to...if as is the trend, you end up with just foreigners, what is the point?  Might as well go and play in Qatar; so they acquire that premium.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 18, 2014, 16:47:15
 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/18/psv-fans-protest-against-wifi-access

 Good that the fans are protesting against it mind.  Don't suppose we have wi-fi at the CG, do we, it would make fuck all difference to me, so don't know.

 Maybe Rikki Hunt could do us a deal, through SBC :)


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, August 18, 2014, 18:19:46
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/18/psv-fans-protest-against-wifi-access

 Good that the fans are protesting against it mind.  Don't suppose we have wi-fi at the CG, do we, it would make fuck all difference to me, so don't know.

 Maybe Rikki Hunt could do us a deal, through SBC :)
Bit of a pointless protest really unless there is absolutely no mobile data coverage at their stadium. Can't say I've ever noticed many at the CG glued to their phones during the match, more so at half time... good opportunity for the club to provide stadium wifi at a nominal cost and potentially open up a revenue stream


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, August 18, 2014, 21:31:55
Bit of a pointless protest really unless there is absolutely no mobile data coverage at their stadium. Can't say I've ever noticed many at the CG glued to their phones during the match, more so at half time... good opportunity for the club to provide stadium wifi at a nominal cost and potentially open up a revenue stream
But the protest is a bit more than just about the wifi issue - it is another element that appears to some to be damaging their favoured football match experience. Plus, reports of the protest have reached the eyes and ears of the fans of an insignificant little club like ours, so it has achieved something. Personally, it is good to learn that fans at clubs outside England are pissed-off with the continuing sanitization of football and are willing to make that view known.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 05:05:10
Malky mackay


Title: Re:
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 07:01:12
His mate Moody looks a bit rapey doesn't he


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 07:55:26
Malky mackay

just read an article on this. shocking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Norfolkred on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 08:16:20
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730307/Malky-Mackay-Iain-Moody-investigated-FA-sexist-racist-homophobic-text-messages-time-Cardiff.html

Amazed by this - Mackay had every Cardiff fan thinking he was the hero and Tan was the villain. In fact, he probably had the whole country thinking it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 11:05:29
Roll up! Roll up!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvjkiQAIQAAbYiy.jpg)

Hopefully sales will remain low.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 12:38:13
Subject to availability- that shouldn't be an issue. They could hold it at the CG at the moment...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 19:16:16
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7418.html

BANTER


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 20:46:45
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7418.html

BANTER
What did he say and in what context. Is it in a paper somewhere?

I bet most of us have told sexist and probably racist jokes to mates (Irish ones for example), though probably not using work equipment is that's what he did?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 20:53:02
What did he say and in what context. Is it in a paper somewhere?

I bet most of us have told sexist and probably racist jokes to mates (Irish ones for example), though probably not using work equipment is that's what he did?

And you would know that in many jobs, if your little indiscretion got out into the public domain, then there would be a price to pay..


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 20:54:10
Yes that's true reg.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, August 21, 2014, 21:27:34
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2730307/Malky-Mackay-Iain-Moody-investigated-FA-sexist-racist-homophobic-text-messages-time-Cardiff.html

Amazed by this - Mackay had every Cardiff fan thinking he was the hero and Tan was the villain. In fact, he probably had the whole country thinking it!

It should be pointed out that these weren't the reasons he was sacked so the jury is still out if tan sacked him for a transfer scandal and it's not proven. The texts were found following an investigation after he was dismissed. Think of the investigator who had to read through 70,000 texts and 100,000 emails to find that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, August 22, 2014, 08:09:13
The price of working in the public eye.

If you are Joe Bloggs the decorator then you can make these jokes and nobody will find out or care too much.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, August 22, 2014, 09:36:19
Think of the investigator who had to read through 70,000 texts and 100,000 emails to find that!

Ctrl+f, insert offensive word.

Not that difficult I'd imagine if you're using a transcript.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Friday, August 22, 2014, 12:14:19
The price of working in the public eye.

If you are Joe Bloggs the decorator then you can make these jokes and nobody will find out or care too much.

These weren't jokes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28896425


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Friday, August 22, 2014, 12:57:44
No they were not the media blowing it massively out proportion joke type texts I thought they'd be


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 22, 2014, 13:03:35
http://www.football365.com/mediawatch/9434304/Mediawatch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, August 22, 2014, 13:14:26
Let's be honest, all the people  making a living out of the racism industry would be distraught if this kind of thing was ever actually consigned to history.

I'm of a mind in thinking it may better to hear what certain people actually say then keeping schtum and nobody knowing what they are actually thinking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, August 22, 2014, 14:50:31
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening, those bad people in the racism industry just making shit up for the sake of it. Bad, bad people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 22, 2014, 14:53:09
Yeah, that's exactly what's happening, those bad people in the racism industry just making shit up for the sake of it. Bad, bad people.

Gay snakes the lot of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, August 22, 2014, 15:00:05
(and as a disclaimer, I'm no more comfortable than anyone else with the overtones of this and the similar Scudamore incident that what appears to have been private messages/conversations seem to have start to become "policed" in the same way as if MacKay or Scudamore had stood up and said this shit in an interview)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, August 22, 2014, 15:05:37
Let's be honest, all the people  making a living out of the racism industry would be distraught if this kind of thing was ever actually consigned to history.

I'm of a mind in thinking it may better to hear what certain people actually say then keeping schtum and nobody knowing what they are actually thinking

That is a truly mind boggling post! Hilariously, I think you actually believe what you wrote. Fucking racism industry?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, August 22, 2014, 15:47:30
Yes, almost mind boggling as your insidious Jews comment of a few weeks ago


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, August 22, 2014, 16:00:25
Well needed to give the industry some ammo! Times are tough.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, August 22, 2014, 19:10:42

Think of the investigator who had to read through 70,000 texts and 100,000 emails to find that!
Ctrl+f, insert offensive word.

Not that difficult I'd imagine if you're using a transcript.

Yh of course....

Ctrl+f "gay snake" = get in! We've got him. Um how about Ctrl+f "Jew" and "white faces".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, August 22, 2014, 21:26:42

Ctrl+f "gay snake" = get in! We've got him. Um how about Ctrl+f "Jew" and "white faces".


I know right?! Piece of piss! I could do that job!


Title: Re:
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, August 22, 2014, 23:16:18
This was covered on 5 live earlier. Clarke Carlisle and then Redknapp both took the "but Malky is a good bloke" line. It was pathetic. The fact he has friends in the game doesn't change what he said and must not exonerate him. It was the Jewish comments that got me in particular.

I hope the FA strip him of his licence for a couple of years. Kick racism out of football, after all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 05:00:08
Clarke Carlisle always has to have his say. I await the reaction from sol Campbell.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 06:47:29
It's the whole 'I'm not racist, I've got plenty of black mates..' line.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 08:00:57
Clarke Carlisle always has to have his say.
You know how this stuff works right? The programme producers decide they want to have a discussion on a topic of the day. They discuss who might be a good choice. In this instance, a former chair of the PFA and current Kick It Out ambassador who also knows the man right at the eye of the storm, would seem to be a reasonable choice. That's not so much "Clarke Carlisle always has to have his say" as "The producers rang Clarke Carlisle and asked him to be on the show as someone who could shed some light on the topic from multiple relevant perspectives that many of their listeners might not have access to" perhaps?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 08:30:32
This was covered on 5 live earlier. Clarke Carlisle and then Redknapp both took the "but Malky is a good bloke" line. It was pathetic. The fact he has friends in the game doesn't change what he said and must not exonerate him. It was the Jewish comments that got me in particular.

I hope the FA strip him of his licence for a couple of years. Kick racism out of football, after all.

What did he say/text? Is it online somewhere?

With texts and FB and all that shit, if I was in the public eye, I wouldn't bother.



Title: Re:
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 10:03:18
Redknapp said "he hasn't raped anyone" (quote) and words to the effect of "he's a good sort".

Carlisle said he'd played with and was friends with Mackay, and knew that he was a good guy. He also said Mackay would not have seen the LMA "banter"  statement, so as to defend him.
Brad Friedel (who speaks very very well) then pointed out how ridiculous it sounded for a manager to allow a union to send out a press release without putting it through the manager first. Carlisle v quickly back tracked and said, "I'm sure he would have seen it",  as if nobody noticed what he'd originally said. Carlisle came across as a right fool.

The way I see it, Mackay may have been friendly to many in the game, and had some close mates, but if the FA wants to (very rightly) throw people out of grounds and ban them for racist chanting, then if Mackay repeatedly puts it in writing, he should be given the same treatment. No licence and a ban from grounds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 11:29:46
To me this is quite simple. If him and moody were exchanging texts on mobile phones provided to them to conduct their work on behalf of Cardiff then they are bang to rights and have no defence. They have to take whats coming to them which personally I hope is never working in football ever again and their colleagues denouncing them. They appear to have covered all the isms.
If they were using private phones then its an infringement of their privacy and they should be suing. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 11:57:08
Does what phone they were using really make a difference to what they said? Calling someone a 'grasping Jew' is surely the same whether you do it on your work phone or your personal one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, August 23, 2014, 12:27:01
I think it does. One is professional, the other is private. In private, people can hold whatever repellent views they want, they are also at liberty to communicate these to their friends taking the risk that their friends will keep them private. Cardiff and the FA can hold him responsible for expressing those views in a work related capacity. What he does in private though is his concern. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 17:37:10
Sky advertising transfer deadline day as if it's some sort of entertainment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 17:40:21
Yeah the bit where they do a totaliser of money spunked, really irks me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 17:58:26
Considering everything else Sky have done to fuck up football, their advertising of the soap opera that is transfer deadline day is something I'd find it difficult to get irritated by tbh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 23:32:40
Considering everything else Sky have done to fuck up football, their advertising of the soap opera that is transfer deadline day is something I'd find it difficult to get irritated by tbh.
It's pretty fucking shit to be fair Paul. It looks to me that you are becoming anaesthetised by Sky's bullshit which, frankly, I find slightly concerning as I've always had you down as one of the sharper tools in the box.

If you're accepting it then there's no hope for the rest.

It really is one of the many things that is fundamentally wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 01:31:25
Yeah the bit where they do a totaliser of money spunked, really irks me

Quite, I've said it before but I hate the way they bellow the total amount spent on players in that particular window. It's presented as if it's something we should be impressed by. To be honest I look at the total, fall out of love with the game a bit more and wonder how many children's cancer wards that figure could fund.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 08:11:09
It's pretty fucking shit to be fair Paul. It looks to me that you are becoming anaesthetised by Sky's bullshit which, frankly, I find slightly concerning as I've always had you down as one of the sharper tools in the box.

If you're accepting it then there's no hope for the rest.

It really is one of the many things that is fundamentally wrong with football.
Not accepting it at all, in fact I haven't seen it, just think that of all the many things Sky's malign influence has fucked up in English football (and looking at Murdoch's empire generally, English life), making a "thing" of transfer deadline day isn't that high up the list. It would be a thing whether or not Sky hyped it up, as all the other media would make a huge deal out of it as well. The obscene amounts being spent, on both players and wages, is another matter


Title: Re:
Post by: herthab on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 08:42:17
If all the people who complain about Sky didn't purchase their products, then there wouldn't be an issue with them, would there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 08:52:23
If all the people who complain about Sky didn't purchase their products, then there wouldn't be an issue with them, would there?

the reason I will never purchase sky, they've fucked football. But little old me not buying makes no difference to them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 08:55:00
I quite like the transfer deadline day coverage.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 08:56:44
the reason I will never purchase sky, they've fucked football. But little old me not buying makes no difference to them

As always the crucial thing is numbers to make the difference. But you're not on your own, I don't subscribe to Sky either for largely the same reason.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 12:25:51
If all the people who complain about Sky didn't purchase their products, then there wouldn't be an issue with them, would there?
I don't.
I quite like the transfer deadline day coverage.
Booo! Burn the witch!


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 15:16:24
Can we start our own spunked / spent threads to keep up with transfer deadline day.

I nominate 12 mill for Shane long straight into the spunked thread.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 16:12:37
Quite, I've said it before but I hate the way they bellow the total amount spent on players in that particular window. It's presented as if it's something we should be impressed by. To be honest I look at the total, fall out of love with the game a bit more and wonder how many children's cancer wards that figure could fund.

Whenever they pit up that figure, I think of the millions being paid to football's parasites...the agent's. The amounts some pick up in 'fees' is absolutely disgusting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 16:33:38
Not accepting it at all, in fact I haven't seen it, just think that of all the many things Sky's malign influence has fucked up in English football (and looking at Murdoch's empire generally, English life), making a "thing" of transfer deadline day isn't that high up the list. It would be a thing whether or not Sky hyped it up, as all the other media would make a huge deal out of it as well. The obscene amounts being spent, on both players and wages, is another matter

You can't blame Sky for the amount of money spent on transfer fees and wages. They might give the money to the clubs but they don't hold a gun to the Chairmen's heads and force them to piss it all away on players.

Besides the fans are just as much to blame. How many were complaining when PDC was doing the same with Black's money?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 18:30:09
The programme on Sky 'The Fall & Rise of Leicester City'. Why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 19:03:15
The programme on Sky 'The Fall & Rise of Leicester City'. Why?


Cos they are newcomers to skys the FAs the premier league


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 20:40:22
You can't blame Sky for the amount of money spent on transfer fees and wages. They might give the money to the clubs but they don't hold a gun to the Chairmen's heads and force them to piss it all away on players.

Besides the fans are just as much to blame. How many were complaining when PDC was doing the same with Black's money?
It was pretty obvious to me (as it should have been to anyone) that Di Canio's 'Revolving Door' player recruitment policy was unsustainable and would end in tears sooner rather than later. However, if I'd tried voicing my concerns to Jeremy Wray I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have returned my calls. Even if he had, I seriously doubt that he would have heeded my warnings

So in that particular instance (or any other for that matter), I don't see how the fans were to blame or what they could have done.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 31, 2014, 20:49:18
You can say that about any club that spends more than they bring in. Which is probably the majority of the clubs.

It's sustainable as long as the backer stays committed.

I don't see anyone was to blame really, aside from the overspend/transfer embargo. Black wasn't committed anymore, that's all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 17:46:02
See that Rushden and Diamonds old ground Nene Park, is to be knocked down and turned into a retail park.
 
http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/home-Rushden-Diamonds-Nene-Park-set-demolished/story-22863574-detail/story.html
 
What a waste, remember going there one Boxing Day, when we were terrible and lost 2-0, lucky to get nil.  Tidy little modern ground...in a good setting, with community facilities etc....the largesse of Max Griggs.

Also went there for a big national quiz once out of season, and we had the run of the hospitality, again very good stuff.

Sort of thing on a slightly larger scale that we need.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 20:01:21
Shame its not flat-pack so we can poach the fancy end for use at the County Ground.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, September 2, 2014, 20:07:55
It was pretty obvious to me (as it should have been to anyone) that Di Canio's 'Revolving Door' player recruitment policy was unsustainable and would end in tears sooner rather than later. However, if I'd tried voicing my concerns to Jeremy Wray I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have returned my calls. Even if he had, I seriously doubt that he would have heeded my warnings

So in that particular instance (or any other for that matter), I don't see how the fans were to blame or what they could have done.

Thing is I didn't care, I was bored following the same old crap at a swindon.
From day one I was ecstatic about the appointment of PDC. Sure it was going to be a time bomb but it was a fantastic ride. Every home and away game an experience.
Black put up the pounds, there was a budget and PDC was allowed to spend.
Tell you now who knows where it could have ended the championship for sure if only Black would have kept the roller coaster going for a little longer.
No regrets from me whatsoever.
A new dawn and era now and have to say exceeding my expectations.
Just wish a few more would return to the CG as the atmosphere is a little stale.
Many Chapters in my long history following Swindon and the PDC era up there with the best of them.
Far more worst.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 12:04:06
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29056885

Talk like that will pack them in. I don't mind Hodgson but you put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 12:14:55
Fuck me, it's not up to the opponents to excite the fans, it's supposed to be our own team.

I watched the game last night and it seems that no matter who the manager or playing personnel are it's just more of the same turgid crap we've been dished up for donkey's years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 12:23:02
Was there a game last night?   ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 12:28:10
More people watched the bake off. Nearly double in fact. Christ.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 12:55:36
More people watched the bake off. Nearly double in fact. Christ.

I watched the England game and it was pretty boring. Only Sterling really came out of the game with any credit. Rooney scored a penalty but he is a shadow of the player he used to be.

In bake off news, last week's episode was a cracker, when the Irish bloke brought the bin up to Mary and Jeremy Beadle it made me smile a bit.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 13:28:51
I thought Jeremy Beadle was Matthew Kelly


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 14:42:49
I thought Jeremy Beadle was Matthew Kelly

I think you mean Bill Oddie?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 14:55:25
I watched the England game and it was pretty boring. Only Sterling really came out of the game with any credit. Rooney scored a penalty but he is a shadow of the player he used to be.

In bake off news, last week's episode was a cracker, when the Irish bloke brought the bin up to Mary and Jeremy Beadle it made me smile a bit.

Hart made a decent save from Joshua King, who apparently is at Blackburn....I thought Beadle was dead....I know this as he liked a quiz did Jezza, so he kind of entered my orbit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 14:59:59
I thought he was a Dickens character


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 15:01:22
I thought he was a Dickens character

You're confusing him with Peter Beadle, who used to turn out for non-league Bristol Rovers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 15:04:21
I thought Bristol Rovers were a football club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 18:13:33
More people watched the bake off. Nearly double in fact. Christ.

I did. At least I don't know what the ingredients are going to be on Bake Off, whereas with an England match under Hodgson and with Rooney I know exactly what's going into it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 18:28:17
I'm one of the few that watched the game. Was complete and utter bollocks, though it improved a lot when Rooney went off and Wellbeck came on. Don't have anything against Rooney but we simply have better options up front. Maybe he'd work ok in midfield, but we have better options there as well.

Kind of bizarre being captain of your club and country when there is a good chance you won't make the first eleven of either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 19:26:20
I'm one of the few that watched the game. Was complete and utter bollocks, though it improved a lot when Rooney went off and Wellbeck came on. Don't have anything against Rooney but we simply have better options up front. Maybe he'd work ok in midfield, but we have better options there as well.

Kind of bizarre being captain of your club and country when there is a good chance you won't make the first eleven of either.

I didn't think it was that bad, although I agree about Rooney.  I thought it looked like a bunch of promising young players, not world beaters, that were crying out for a couple of top class players to show them the way - which is what we are lacking.  Our young players are going to have to learn without that guidance, because we have nobody like that. 

I also thought we had a much better shape when we went to the diamond, with Sterling at the front.  He is wasted out wide - he makes things happen through the middle.  With him in behind Sturridge and Welbeck we look dangerous.  Henderson at the back of the diamond will grow in to the role - there is a good player there.  If we can create a couple of good players to play on either side of that diamond from Wilshere, O-C, Delph, Colback, or AN Other, then that will help.  Defensively - we are terrible.  Hopefully Chambers and Stones will help, but if our future defence is built on Phil Jones, Gary Cahill and Chris Smalling, then we are in trouble. 

And yes - I am obviously one of those who do still care about the national team.  As you all would, if we were good and won a world cup. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, September 4, 2014, 21:48:06
I still care about the national team, I'm just apathetic towards them at the moment because they have yet to learn the lessons of the last few years and keep choosing players who are not the best at their role.

Some could say the reason they pick players like Rooney et al is because they sell more shirts. The same people could also then mention how instead of lowering prices/giving out free tickets to schools/youth groups because of the lack of tickets sold (and therefore the shit atmosphere) at Wembley, they decided to stick with the overpriced costing for a friendly that no-one gives a shit about, proving that the FA cares more about the dosh rolling in than the actual football being served up to its customers.

I'm not one of those, mind you, but you can see why people would be.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, September 5, 2014, 13:33:27
Tbf, don't know that ticket prices were THAT big a problem - £60 for a family of four isn't that bad, if cost was a deterrent anywhere it'd be the cost of getting there/eating in London etc etc as much as the tickets. But let's be honest, it's more the general "meh" surrounding England at the moment, plus the not terribly inspiring opposition (sorry, sonic)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 16:55:56
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9459793/michel-platini-warns-franck-ribery-he-could-be-punished-if-he-rejects-france-call


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 17:15:52
I read that earlier. That's just all sorts of wrong.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 17:53:32
Why are these international matches on Sunday and Monday nights?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 18:20:03
So TV can televise more games thereby garnering yet more dosh for UEFA to stuff into more brown envelopes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 18:24:06
I read that earlier. That's just all sorts of wrong.

In a way i can understand what platini is saying but he is coming across as a bit of a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, September 7, 2014, 18:45:24
Why are these international matches on Sunday and Monday nights?

Instead of the countries doing their own deals, UEFA decided to pool their matches and sell they like they do for the CL/EL. Due to the fact the qualifying has been watered down, due to 24 teams now qualifying, meaning a number of games towards the end are going to be 'dead', after paying compensation to the bigger countries, who already had deals in place, UEFA have made a big loss on doing this.

Another Platini master plan...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 07:51:54
(https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/a43846f4c7d00255736d8ccddf1670eb69b9187573aef7b2f3745eb9299ab82c_large)

 :huh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 13:50:50
Twats like this. You had to wash your own kit, big fucking deal.

Shitcunt.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9461259/championship-former-blackpool-striker-michael-chopra-hits-out-at-club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 14:06:41
Twats like this. You had to wash your own kit, big fucking deal.

Shitcunt.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/9461259/championship-former-blackpool-striker-michael-chopra-hits-out-at-club

He looks like he's become partial to the odd pastry based snack.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 15:01:26
But not when at the ground obviously...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 15:26:15
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 15:28:41
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp

Genius logic! Apparently it would be unfair to the club coming down to cut it's cloth accordingly! I am totally baffled by that statement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 16:23:14
Maybe it would be fairer on relegated clubs if they got a huge payout for getting relegated to help them adjust?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, September 10, 2014, 11:52:33
The absurdity of the multi-organisation structure of professional football!

One league, five divisions, same rules for all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, September 10, 2014, 12:03:58
The absurdity of the multi-organisation structure of professional football!

One league, five divisions, same rules for all.


A: Money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Friday, September 12, 2014, 07:32:47
An interesting read over breakfast.  Good to see that our 'newbie' figure for the last year (Table 2) was low.  I take it the Newcastle figure was so high because of the 'horse punching' fracas after the Sunderland game.   :sherlock:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352864/FootballRelatedArrestsBanningOrderSeason201314.pdf


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, September 12, 2014, 07:54:56
An interesting read over breakfast.  Good to see that our 'newbie' figure for the last year was low.  I take it the Newcastle figure was so high because of the 'horse punching' fracas after the Sunderland game.   :sherlock:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352864/FootballRelatedArrestsBanningOrderSeason201314.pdf

A respectable top half L1 finish. Chesterfield and Scunthorpe punching above their weight, so to speak.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:02:28
Wouldn't mind seeing the figures from the 70's and early 80's they would be off the scale. Doubt they would exist though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:14:58
An interesting read over breakfast.  Good to see that our 'newbie' figure for the last year (Table 2) was low.  I take it the Newcastle figure was so high because of the 'horse punching' fracas after the Sunderland game.   :sherlock:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/352864/FootballRelatedArrestsBanningOrderSeason201314.pdf

Do Stoke play several matches on Nov 5th??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:31:29
Looking at those figures Crawley v Franchise must be the most insipid encounter.

Not one arrest between them all season - not even a booze related offence entering the ground, which must be a prerequisite for watching Creepies surely.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 12, 2014, 08:46:21
Brizzle  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, September 12, 2014, 12:30:01
Good to see we had the only person arrested in L1 for racist/indecent chanting...  ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, September 12, 2014, 12:32:10
Let's hope it was indecent.

Got to say, though, after over 40 years following Swindon I honestly cannot bring to mind anything remotely racist

My fav indecent chanting was away at Oxford when that fella proposed to his girlfriend in the centre circle at half time to the accompaniment from the Town fans

'Does she take it up the arse?'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 12, 2014, 12:57:26
You must have had earphones in Aud, I  remember hearing quite vocal chanting in the early 90's, pleased that it's a thing of the past.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, September 12, 2014, 13:00:11
Maybe I just filtered it out.

That and a bit of Alzheimers


Title: Re: Sv: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, September 12, 2014, 13:45:21
You must have had earphones in Aud, I  remember hearing quite vocal chanting in the early 90's, pleased that it's a thing of the past.
I've heard plenty of racist comments at football in the past decade


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 12, 2014, 14:10:17
I've heard plenty of racist comments at football in the past decade
Me too and not just from the "older" generation of supporters.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 12, 2014, 14:47:38
I bet I know a certain ex-lying chairman who would be first in the queue with his £1

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hull-owner-assem-allam-vows-4205357


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, September 12, 2014, 19:39:32
You must have had earphones in Aud, I  remember hearing quite vocal chanting in the early 90's, pleased that it's a thing of the past.

The Premiership season was fucking awful from what I remember. The whole bottom left (looking at the pitch) corner of the bank was dominated by a right odious bunch of cunts that were positively delighted by the fact that we didn't have any black players at the time, and spent half of every game letting the opposition fans know that "Swindon were (are) White", as well as giving dog's abuse to any black opposition players.

I kind of shuffled about uncomfortably along with everybody else for ages until they finally pushed me over the edge one game and I ended up screaming at them to shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, September 12, 2014, 20:22:36
There was a guy doing monkey chants in the Town End sometime in the last 3 or 4 seasons. He only lasted 2 games then never saw him again. Absolute cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:20:22
The Premiership season was fucking awful from what I remember. The whole bottom left (looking at the pitch) corner of the bank was dominated by a right odious bunch of cunts that were positively delighted by the fact that we didn't have any black players at the time, and spent half of every game letting the opposition fans know that "Swindon were (are) White", as well as giving dog's abuse to any black opposition players.

I kind of shuffled about uncomfortably along with everybody else for ages until they finally pushed me over the edge one game and I ended up screaming at them to shut the fuck up.
You can't just leave it there Dalai Lama, what happened then?? :hmmm:


Title: Re: Sv: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:30:46
I've heard plenty of racist comments at football in the past decade

Sadly I remember dozens of Town fans making monkey noises to Luther Blissett when we played Bournemouth in 1990.

Thankfully I just can't imagine anything like that ever happening again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:36:34
You can't just leave it there Dalai Lama, what happened then?? :hmmm:

My memory is of it going a bit quiet and a lot of people turning to look at me, while my mates looked a little nervous. Then there being a bit of generally positive muttering amongst the crowd around us and we relaxed a bit.

The tossers down the bottom sort of calmed down for the rest of the game at least.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, September 12, 2014, 21:55:26
My memory is of it going a bit quiet and a lot of people turning to look at me, while my mates looked a little nervous. Then there being a bit of generally positive muttering amongst the crowd around us and we relaxed a bit.

The tossers down the bottom sort of calmed down for the rest of the game at least.
That's generally how those kinds of situations play out. Fair play for saying something. I try to avoid confrontation wherever possible and you have to have a certain amount of tolerance. Equally though, I have a line in my head in terms of acceptable behaviour and I will react if that line is crossed. I think I would have reacted in the same way as you did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, September 12, 2014, 22:49:22
My nephew will be 7 in a few months, getting to the age where we could enjoy a day out at the football. His dad is a Wednesday fan (from Sheffield), but happy for him to support his local team like we both have. It's not affordable though, is it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, September 12, 2014, 23:47:33
Might be a lot wrong with football, but at least we don't have high ranking officials saying on the day someone is convicted of manslaughter that they'll be welcome back with open arms to compete at the highest level once they've been released form prison.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 06:50:10
My nephew will be 7 in a few months, getting to the age where we could enjoy a day out at the football. His dad is a Wednesday fan (from Sheffield), but happy for him to support his local team like we both have. It's not affordable though, is it?

I think that under 10s can join the Junior Reds for £25 and then get into matches free.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 08:13:48
Might be a lot wrong with football, but at least we don't have high ranking officials saying on the day someone is convicted of manslaughter that they'll be welcome back with open arms to compete at the highest level once they've been released form prison.
There's no need to, when they know full well clubs will welcome them back with open arms. In some cases before they've even been released from prison.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 08:21:05
I think that under 10s can join the Junior Reds for £25 and then get into matches free.
They can, but then they need to either get a season ticket (for free) or if they're going to match by match they need to book their ticket a day in advance. All of which slightly takes away from the likelihood that people who aren't Town fans (as in the case Ben mentioned) are going to say "Hey, I know what son, let's go to the football and see if you like it". And it doesn't help with the fact that the Dad would still have to pay well OTT for his ticket.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Saturday, September 13, 2014, 09:17:38
That's generally how those kinds of situations play out. Fair play for saying something. I try to avoid confrontation wherever possible and you have to have a certain amount of tolerance. Equally though, I have a line in my head in terms of acceptable behaviour and I will react if that line is crossed. I think I would have reacted in the same way as you did.

I'd like to pretend that it was a conscious decision to speak out bravely, but I just lost completely lost my rag for a few minutes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, September 18, 2014, 20:33:33
A watch? £16k !! Really Greg, you didn't think FIFA would give out £20 watches...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29257077


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, September 19, 2014, 08:05:39
disgusting in this day and age of football.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/18/1411076275674/FK-Partizan-v-Tottenham-H-011.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, September 19, 2014, 08:16:12
I'm always amazed how much trouble people are prepared to go to, to look like a total moron.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, September 19, 2014, 08:20:40
disgusting in this day and age of football.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/18/1411076275674/FK-Partizan-v-Tottenham-H-011.jpg)

I was going to say that pic must be from Partizan v Spurs last night...which I can now see when pressing quote.

Daresay Partizan fans have plenty of previous, and get the usual UEFA finger wag and told to get on with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, September 19, 2014, 09:33:16
The area Partizan comes from is of course one with a long history of complicity in helping organisations like the SS Death's Head squads.

You'd think the authorities would try and get the thing taken down, especially with the world's cameras on it and the fact that Spurs are a slightly more Jewish club than your average one. Disgusting.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 19, 2014, 18:06:52
I think we can safely say that Platini is getting to replace Blatter when the time is right, working on all the skills needed to be FIFA president!

Platini will not return £16,000 watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29285817


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 22, 2014, 12:19:58
Perennial favourite in this category, Jorge Mendes:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/-sp-jorge-mendes-agent-third-party-ownership-players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, October 3, 2014, 16:08:52
Lionel Messi on trial for tax evasion :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29479772


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, October 3, 2014, 23:14:54
Went to Blackpool v Cardiff tonight. I think Karl Oyston and Vincent Tan both slot quite comfortably into the thread. 2 clubs being ruined from the top.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Friday, October 3, 2014, 23:19:09
I understand what you're saying, ................but...........

Both clubs did well out of those owners initially, going from shitty little clubs to being "premiership clubs"

You live by the sword, you die by the sword


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 12:22:39
I understand what you're saying, ................but...........

Both clubs did well out of those owners initially, going from shitty little clubs to being "premiership clubs"

You live by the sword, you die by the sword

I see where you're coming from, but can't agree. This isn't a Bournemouth/Wray and Di Canio type situation.

Rising up the leagues as a well-managed club is not living by the sword. It's the equivalent of Power deciding that next season he wants to halve the wage budget again, and getting rid of all the players leaving us with a makeshift squad assembled two weeks into the season, so that he can cream off £2m profit for himself while we struggle at the bottom of the league. Would we be to blame for enjoying the current football?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 12:30:55
That was Jeds plan wasnt it? :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 14:05:30
That was Jeds plan wasnt it? :D

Yep. That and the TE bar. Roar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 14:05:58
Yep. That and the TE bar. Roar.

Get pissed and fleece the club for all it's worth.

Sounds about right.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, October 4, 2014, 20:25:39
Daniel Jones (Chesterfield) for his total over-reaction to a challenge, which got a Sheff Utd player sent off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, October 5, 2014, 15:09:19
It was hilarious wasn't it? I watched it and thought "what a twat".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, October 5, 2014, 15:31:13
It was hilarious wasn't it? I watched it and thought "what a twat".

...but not as funny as the Orient players over-reaction to the ludicrous 'back-pass/offside' decision yesterday.  I hope it was caught on film somewhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, October 8, 2014, 13:09:55
This old chestnut is popping its head up again. Unsurprisingly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29532996


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 8, 2014, 13:18:41
Ha ha, and they used the Man u real madrid attendance as an example to set a benchmark.  Well Good luck to them ever getting 110k for Stoke V Burnley...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 8, 2014, 14:42:17
Daniel Jones (Chesterfield) for his total over-reaction to a challenge, which got a Sheff Utd player sent off.

I had to look it up to see what you were on about. Hilarious effort. Flappy The Salmon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, October 12, 2014, 21:01:08
Rushden & Diamonds' old ground Nene Park is due to be demolished and turned into a 'Leisure Park'.

Wonder if this stand is flat-pack? A decent replacement for the Town End (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/View_of_np.JPG)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, October 12, 2014, 21:16:09
Good shout....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Sunday, October 12, 2014, 23:54:34
I had to look it up to see what you were on about. Hilarious effort. Flappy The Salmon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA)

That tackle was so late it wasn't even in the same 45 minutes!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 13, 2014, 07:09:33
That reaction is brilliant.

Wasn't Daniel Jones that one that punched Doug Loft in the face at training when they were both at Vale??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, October 13, 2014, 07:40:20
I believe so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 20:32:21
Uefa confirm that the match between Serbia and Albania "has been abandoned due to a disturbance on the pitch".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oorNBA7yFkE


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 20:58:31
Uefa confirm that the match between Serbia and Albania "has been abandoned due to a disturbance on the pitch".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oorNBA7yFkE

You do wonder when UEFA are going to ban Serbia.

It was only a few years ago that a game in Italy was abandoned due to rioting, and there was at incident in the Under 21 game against England with racist chanting and Serbian players banned for racist behaviour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 21:02:21
A better view of things here - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9517433/european-qualifiers-brawl-at-serbia-v-albania-match-after-drone-cam-stops-play

I'm sure it will be a fine and a 2 games behind closed doors or something as per usual.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 21:30:14
Yeah, if fucking Spain can't draw Gibraltar because of some economic disputes, drawing those two against each other when they absolutely loathe each other really doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 22:45:18
Yeah, if fucking Spain can't draw Gibraltar because of some economic disputes, drawing those two against each other when they absolutely loathe each other really doesn't make sense.

Did that actually happen?? If so that is ridiculous. Once teams are seeded that should be it, can't be separated by a dislike for each other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 05:43:15
You do wonder when UEFA are going to ban Serbia.

It was only a few years ago that a game in Italy was abandoned due to rioting, and there was at incident in the Under 21 game against England with racist chanting and Serbian players banned for racist behaviour.

I think the drone that was flying the flag was Albanian, and being controlled by the Albanian PM's brother.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 05:57:09
Although, saying that I hadn't seen this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDs5mwNRY7U



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 07:35:44
Fuck me, hadn't seen that video. Awful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 07:59:28
Bit lively!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 08:32:04
Bit lively!

Handbags....poor mascot  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 08:50:35
I think it illustrates that patio furniture has no place in a football ground.

Good to see the traditional football 'hooligan' is still alive and well, 'I will run on the pitch, look hard gesture and shove a bit - but all the time know that I will never get near anyone so don't have to do anything - just look hard.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 09:10:07
If I remember, McMahon used to drone on a bit.

Wish I'd thought of chucking a recliner at him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 12:40:52
The farce is that Serbia will probably get about the same fine as we do for those handbags at Orient.

Our very own Martin Atkinson looks like he earnt his money last night anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 13:19:59
The farce is that Serbia will probably get about the same fine as we do for those handbags at Orient.

Our very own Martin Atkinson looks like he earnt his money last night anyway.

I can't imagine that was a plum job for him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 13:26:19
I can't imagine that was a plum job for him!

Nah can't imagine he was particularly looking forward to it. At least he wasn't disappointed though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 14:01:04
I can't imagine that was a plum job for him!

Serbian plums, usually end up in something like this...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Kazancauldronsljiveplumsrakija.jpg/200px-Kazancauldronsljiveplumsrakija.jpg)

to make Slivovitz, or as its known in other Balkan countries...rakia, probably explains why they're all a bit bonkers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 14:22:26
Where's coca fola / empathy sloth these days?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 24, 2014, 15:24:32
Gilingham & Chairman Paul Scally charged by the FA in relation to the Sacking of Mark McCammon in relation to racism

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29760962


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, October 24, 2014, 19:35:13
Gilingham & Chairman Paul Scally

You were right with just this bit.

He wanted to cast adrift the rest of the Football League when his team were in the Championship (for their one season).

Bit like that twat Gartside at Bolton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, October 24, 2014, 20:16:49
And the Yeovil fuckwit last season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 20:11:24
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/29588438

Who is Rolando Aarons? That is the question most Manchester City fans will be asking themselves right now. Newcastle's latest wonderkid, according to those in the know. Eighteen-year-old Aarons has been likened to England star Raheem Sterling - not least because he was born in Jamaica before moving to these shores as a youngster, just like the Liverpool player. Pacy forward Aarons grew up in Bristol and was released by local club Bristol City before joining Newcastle

 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 29, 2014, 20:31:19
The Bristol City Academy has been a wonderful success..........

(http://img.pandawhale.com/54838-Waynes-World-Excellent-gif-1Hbv.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, November 12, 2014, 21:29:23
Two words....Cover up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30031405


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 07:44:38
Two words....Cover up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30031405

Spot the oxymoron! "FIFA's independent ethics adjudicator" hahahahaha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 09:23:26
Oh come on, it's hilarious

"Qatar definitely didn't bribe anyone, but England did, take that English press!"

If we were the only people dishing out bribes then we're even more incompetent than first thought- we only got two votes and one of those was our own!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ExiledEric on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 09:43:35
..  And we'll probably be chucked out of the next World Cup as a punishment... :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FatSmurf on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 11:07:07
Thank fuck!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 12:34:28
In hilarious news, the chief investigator has appealed against the published summary as being unrepresentative.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 12:34:48
I see the lawyer that did the full report is now saying the mini-report that was done by FIFA 'contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the fact and conclusions.'

FIFA just get's worse !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 12:38:05
I see the lawyer that did the full report is now saying the mini-report that was done by FIFA 'contains numerous materially incomplete and erroneous representations of the fact and conclusions.'

FIFA just get's worse !!

Apparently the main report is notably more critical of Blatter. Can't believe that got cut!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 12:50:02
Is it available online anywhere?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 12:50:58
Is it available online anywhere?


The story is just breaking...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30037729


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:08:31
Think he meant the report?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:25:01
FIFA are beyond a joke. Surely someone needs to step in and sort this out now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 13:33:04
FIFA are beyond a joke. Surely someone needs to step in and sort this out now?

It's already happening, quietly- the FBI have an open case on FIFA through Chuck Blazer. The Americans are well placed to investigate as most FIFA sponsors are American companies but they have relatively little to lose in terms of their actual team - our FA (quite apart from the fact that they're all useless) are hamstrung by the Wembley debt so can't risk being kicked out of international football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 20:44:22
This bit's hilarious:

Quote
The report noted that the Russian bid team made "only a limited amount of documents available for review".
According to the report, the Russian team hired computers that were subsequently destroyed, denying the inquiry access to email accounts.
"We were always confident that there could be nothing which would come out from this investigation," said Alexey Sorokin, the head of Russia's 2018 World Cup organising committee.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 21:03:44
FIFA are beyond a joke. Surely someone needs to step in and sort this out now?

Why necessarily does it need to be someone else? The reason FIFA get away with this bollocks is because football fans will put up with anything. Without fans, the World Cup is nothing. Perhaps it's time for a boycott - 100s dying just to simply to build the infrastructure is a good as reason (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths) as any.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 21:05:09
Not only that but the lawyer was banned from entering Russia. The whole thing is a farce.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 21:31:01
It's already happening, quietly- the FBI have an open case on FIFA through Chuck Blazer.

Not only that but Garcia's wife is a FBI agent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 21:51:17
They've been getting away with it for so long that they probably think they're untouchable. I also suspect that Blatter couldn't give a shit anyway as he is so fucking old.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 22:13:30
They've been getting away with it for so long that they've probably think they're untouchable. I also suspect that Blatter couldn't give a shit anyway as he is so fucking old.

Fully agree Flash. It's been going on for 40 years ever since Havelange stole money from the Brazilian Olympic Committee to 'fund' his election to FIFA President.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, November 13, 2014, 23:00:46
Why necessarily does it need to be someone else? The reason FIFA get away with this bollocks is because football fans will put up with anything. Without fans, the World Cup is nothing. Perhaps it's time for a boycott - 100s dying just to simply to build the infrastructure is a good as reason (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/qatar-world-cup-india-migrant-worker-deaths) as any.

I've given this some thought. I reckon fans could do it by threatening the main FIFA/World Cup sponsors. Either Blatter goes or we boycott all of the sponsors still associating themselves with them. Provided you got enough fans on board it would work. He'd be gone once the sponsors thought there was a genuine threat.

I did think about putting a web page up and some stuff on Facebook, Twitter and all that to try and get the ball rolling. But I can't be arsed. Maybe one for the TEF Pressure Group. Or whatever it was called.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, November 14, 2014, 09:59:12
Quote
Asked if the FA had damaged the image of football's world governing body, Dyke said: "I think it's quite hard to damage the image of Fifa."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, November 14, 2014, 10:03:12
Indeed.

It's like being accused by Jeremy Clarkson of being a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 10:12:35
Bury's new owner's company borrows £450k from a company called Cash4Assets, secured against the club's ground (even though the loan is not for the club but his private company), then rolls it up to a £1m loan, at 138% pa interest, still secured on the ground. Wow. That makes Bournemouth's 6 or 7% or whatever it was look like Bank of Mum and Dad.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2014/nov/12/bury-high-interest-loans-shadow-recovery


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, November 14, 2014, 10:19:03
I've given this some thought. I reckon fans could do it by threatening the main FIFA/World Cup sponsors. Either Blatter goes or we boycott all of the sponsors still associating themselves with them. Provided you got enough fans on board it would work. He'd be gone once the sponsors thought there was a genuine threat.

I did think about putting a web page up and some stuff on Facebook, Twitter and all that to try and get the ball rolling. But I can't be arsed. Maybe one for the TEF Pressure Group. Or whatever it was called.

People boycotting Coca Cola and McDonalds? Yeah, good luck with that one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 14, 2014, 12:33:28
I've given this some thought. I reckon fans could do it by threatening the main FIFA/World Cup sponsors. Either Blatter goes or we boycott all of the sponsors still associating themselves with them. Provided you got enough fans on board it would work. He'd be gone once the sponsors thought there was a genuine threat.

I did think about putting a web page up and some stuff on Facebook, Twitter and all that to try and get the ball rolling. But I can't be arsed. Maybe one for the TEF Pressure Group. Or whatever it was called.

Very difficult to co-ordinate even in this cyber age, but if it could be got up and running, then the FIFA sponsors would act rapidly.

Reminds me of the anti-apartheid campaign, to boycott Barclays Bank in the 70's.....Barclays invested heavily in Saffaland, and there was a campaign to get people, mostly students, to switch accounts and generally do what they could by legal means to flag up Barclays involvement.

Barclays, share of the domestic market dropped, and by the 80's they'd pulled out of SA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 12:42:30
People boycotting Coca Cola and McDonalds? Yeah, good luck with that one.

Not really about whether people actually boycott their products or not. You just need enough people saying they will to get the ball rolling and then the damage will be done. The press will cover it, negative publicity, share prices could drop and at the end of the day the companies just wouldn't want to take the risk.

They wouldn't terminate their sponsorship deals but they'd make a few phone calls and he'd be gone. Pretty sure they've stepped in a couple of times before and things have happened, Suarez at the World Cup for example. They're the only people FIFA and UEFA listen to.

Very difficult to co-ordinate even in this cyber age, but if it could be got up and running, then the FIFA sponsors would act rapidly.

It would be simple to get up and running, a website and some Facebook, Twitter pages/accounts. The issue would be getting people to register their support, would require a lot of people pushing it on forums, social networking and so on. Then it's just whether it gains critical mass or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 14:30:47
Might be worth suggesting it to someone like the Football Supporters Federation, jonny? http://www.fsf.org.uk/ More chance of gaining critical mass going via an established network than the TEF pressure group :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, November 14, 2014, 15:05:54
@football_league: BREAKING: Final round of @SkyBetLeague1 matches this season will be played at 12.15pm on Sunday 3rd May >> http://t.co/DM18Z4660J #KeyDates

Cunts

Everyone likes to get lashed up last game of the season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 15:19:14
@football_league: BREAKING: Final round of @SkyBetLeague1 matches this season will be played at 12.15pm on Sunday 3rd May >> http://t.co/DM18Z4660J #KeyDates

Cunts

Everyone likes to get lashed up last game of the season
Well, you'll just have to book her for earlier in the day
(http://makeabigdifference.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/miss-whiplash-225x300.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 21:18:08
@football_league: BREAKING: Final round of @SkyBetLeague1 matches this season will be played at 12.15pm on Sunday 3rd May >> http://t.co/DM18Z4660J #KeyDates

I hate early kick-offs...let alone on a Sunday


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 21:29:41
Might be worth suggesting it to someone like the Football Supporters Federation, jonny? http://www.fsf.org.uk/ More chance of gaining critical mass going via an established network than the TEF pressure group :)

I'd refer you to my previous "can't be arsed" comment.

Though now is the time for it - plenty of stories in the media about FIFA sponsors not being happy with what is going on, Emirates withdrawing it's sponsorship (though that is probably for other reasons) and Sony considering it. They just need a bit of a push and it would be game over for Blatter.

Still think it is one for the TEF Pressure Group, a slightly more worthy cause than "goldfish bowl of the month" and on a par with "vote for my mate's slightly pornographic photo's".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, November 14, 2014, 22:02:13
FIFA propaganda at it's best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHYOx8cv90#t=58


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 14, 2014, 22:16:14
I'd refer you to my previous "can't be arsed" comment.

Though now is the time for it - plenty of stories in the media about FIFA sponsors not being happy with what is going on, Emirates withdrawing it's sponsorship (though that is probably for other reasons) and Sony considering it. They just need a bit of a push and it would be game over for Blatter.

Still think it is one for the TEF Pressure Group, a slightly more worthy cause than "goldfish bowl of the month" and on a par with "vote for my mate's slightly pornographic photo's".
Think they might need a bit more of a push than 40-odd Swindon fans. And if you can't be arsed, why should we?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, November 14, 2014, 23:00:18
Think they might need a bit more of a push than 40-odd Swindon fans. And if you can't be arsed, why should we?

Apart from the can't be arsed angle, I don't believe getting rid of Blatter will actually change anything. His position will be filled by someone in the same vein as there just isn't anyone near the top of world football capable of what is needed. I don't see Platini as being any better and don't even get me started on Greg Dyke.

It's a fucking mess. Think Lineker hit the nail on the head saying we need to rip it up and start again.

Maybe we need to start a campaign for Lineker to get the job?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, November 15, 2014, 11:46:13
Apart from the can't be arsed angle, I don't believe getting rid of Blatter will actually change anything. His position will be filled by someone in the same vein as there just isn't anyone near the top of world football capable of what is needed. I don't see Platini as being any better and don't even get me started on Greg Dyke.

It's a fucking mess. Think Lineker hit the nail on the head saying we need to rip it up and start again.

Maybe we need to start a campaign for Lineker to get the job?

I would agree with Lineker, FIFA is probably unredeemable. It needs destroying and starting again. The European Football Associations have the power to destroy FIFA by resigning en masse. Fat chance of that though as it currently stands.

The World Cup clearly shouldn't take place in Qatar for obviously reasons which have been well-rehearsed. So we can express our objections by hitting where it hurts - money. Boycott the tournament and 'empty seat' the stadiums, they never like that (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9437316/London-2012-Olympics-fiasco-of-the-12000-empty-seats.html), and as noted earlier on here target sponsors which has been an effective weapon in the past. They're already getting cold feet over Qatar

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/08/sport/football/world-cup-qatar-sony-fifa/

On not an entirely unrelated note, the Telegraph had this recently regarding protests over Ched Evans

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sheffield-united/11226544/It-is-right-to-protest-to-Sheffield-United-sponsors-over-Ched-Evans-they-are-the-only-ones-likely-to-act.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, November 16, 2014, 17:31:51
The European Football Associations have the power to destroy FIFA by resigning en masse. Fat chance of that though as it currently stands.

Chairman of the DFL ( German FL ) hints at Eufa breaking away from FIFA

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/german-football-boss-reinhard-rauball-says-uefa-may-leave-fifa-20141115-11nldd.html

Quote
"Two things must happen," he said. "Not only publishing the ethics commission decision but also the appeal by Mr Garcia so it is clear what is being accused and how it was evaluated."

"Also what was not taken into account and if it was correct to leave those things out," he said.

Rauball, who has been critical in the past of FIFA's decision to award the World Cup to Qatar, said if that did not happen then questions would be asked about whether FIFA was the right body to lead football.

"If that does not happen and this crisis is not solved credibly then one has to think about the question whether one is still in good hands at FIFA," he said.

"One option that would be seriously considered is for UEFA (European nations) to break away from FIFA."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 17, 2014, 11:19:17
Chairman of the DFL ( German FL ) hints at Eufa breaking away from FIFA

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/german-football-boss-reinhard-rauball-says-uefa-may-leave-fifa-20141115-11nldd.html


We've now got Bernstein the former FA chief, calling for the FA to try and get a UEFA boycott of 2018 going.

Quote
If I was at the FA now, I would do everything I could to encourage other nations within Uefa – and there are some who would definitely be on side, others maybe not – to take this line. At some stage you have to walk the talk, stop talking and do something.”

What a cunt...why didn't he do something when in charge?  The suits at the FA, are as corrupt as Blatter, Platini etc.  Just not so good at it.....the story of how they tried to court Jack Walker, by arranging work for some relative of his is nausiating in the extreme.

The FA spent about £20 odd mill on the failed 2018 bid, including a tranche of tax payers money.....I wonder where that went?

Many of the politicians pontificating on this are little better....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 17, 2014, 11:22:42
We've now got Bernstein the former FA chief, calling for the FA to try and get a UEFA boycott of 2018 going.

What a cunt...why didn't he do something when in charge?  The suits at the FA, are as corrupt as Blatter, Platini etc.  Just not so good at it.....the story of how they tried to court Jack Walker, by arranging work for some relative of his is nausiating in the extreme.

The FA spent about £20 odd mill on the failed 2018 bid, including a tranche of tax payers money.....I wonder where that went?

Many of the politicians pontificating on this are little better....
Quite so Reg. A mate of mine pointed out that given our game features bungs-a-plenty, convicted fraudsters being allowed to waltz in to ownership of clubs despite the so-called Fit and Proper tests (sorry, Owners and Directors test nowadays), and even dogs with their own bank accounts, we're not in a good position to lecture anyone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 17, 2014, 11:33:26
Quite so Reg. A mate of mine pointed out that given our game features bungs-a-plenty, convicted fraudsters being allowed to waltz in to ownership of clubs despite the so-called Fit and Proper tests (sorry, Owners and Directors test nowadays), and even dogs with their own bank accounts, we're not in a good position to lecture anyone.

This weekend, we've also had noted sexist Scudamore, saying there'd be no place for someone like Ched Evans working in his operation....presumably he doesn't get the connection?

FIFA's little dig at the FA, is actually as funny as fuck....basically 2 fingers, you're as corrupt as the rest, but can't do it properly, what's more, hypocritical.

The FA will do jack shit, because they're in hock over Wembley....the state of the pitch on Saturday, a fucking disgrace.

Sadly, an opportunity was missed, Wembley should have been flogged off....an NFL franchise can have it if they want...te show should have stayed on the road, and funds put into grassroots.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, November 17, 2014, 15:57:00
Quite so Reg. A mate of mine pointed out that given our game features bungs-a-plenty, convicted fraudsters being allowed to waltz in to ownership of clubs despite the so-called Fit and Proper tests (sorry, Owners and Directors test nowadays), and even dogs with their own bank accounts, we're not in a good position to lecture anyone.

Exactly...which ultimately brings it back to the fans. It's up to us - if we care enough (in numbers)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 08:58:31
FIFA are corrupt to the core as we all know


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Outletred on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 11:22:07
Also the FFP thing is a joke how many teams aka city lose over £10m a year and its allowed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 11:30:59
Personally, I don't have a problem with wealthy owners bankrolling clubs - good luck to them.

All FPP is really about is making sure the elite clubs remain so - Bayern Munich have a stranglehold on the Bundesliga as if a rival looks like being able to compete with them, they just buy their top players - a la Blackburn/Duncan Shearer.

People can bang on about FIFA/Blatter but UEFA/Platini aint much better


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 11:54:54
People can bang on about FIFA/Blatter but UEFA/Platini aint much better

Fully agree.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 15:11:02
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/18/ofcom-premier-league-tv-rights-virgin-media (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/18/ofcom-premier-league-tv-rights-virgin-media)

The next pillar of the English game to fall?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 23:46:33
People can bang on about FIFA/Blatter but UEFA/Platini aint much better

Oh come on, that's just not true. We can all bang on about the football authorities, but Platini isn't in the same league of corruption as Blatter, not even close.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 09:54:48
Oh come on, that's just not true. We can all bang on about the football authorities, but Platini isn't in the same league of corruption as Blatter, not even close.

Can you have a sliding scale of degrees of corruption? In which case at what level is it acceptable?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 10:13:37
Can you have a sliding scale of degrees of corruption? In which case at what level is it acceptable?

Odd question. Of course you can. What degree's acceptable to you? Slipping a council cleaner a note to tidy up your drive?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 10:27:39
Odd question. Of course you can. What degree's acceptable to you? Slipping a council cleaner a note to tidy up your drive?

It's a philosophical question, that has often taxed me. I'm not sure I have an answer....however, in the case of Bladder and Platini, I would say they are as bad as each other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 10:48:46
It's a philosophical question, that has often taxed me. I'm not sure I have an answer....however, in the case of Bladder and Platini, I would say they are as bad as each other.

Well we'll have to agree to differ on this one. Apart from anything, Platini doesn't command anything like the level of complicit patronage from the European FAs that Blatter does around the globe.

I don't think UEFA, or any other sporting governance body today, is in need of root and branch reform as badly as FIFA. It's happened at the IOC, the UCI, the IAAF. FIFA is the last of the dinosaur oligarchies in sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 11:21:08
Well we'll have to agree to differ on this one. Apart from anything, Platini doesn't command anything like the level of complicit patronage from the European FAs that Blatter does around the globe.

I don't think UEFA, or any other sporting governance body today, is in need of root and branch reform as badly as FIFA. It's happened at the IOC, the UCI, the IAAF. FIFA is the last of the dinosaur oligarchies in sport.

Which goes back to my original question....because Platini and UEFA, are swimming in a smaller pool, does that make it OK?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 14:45:56
Which goes back to my original question....because Platini and UEFA, are swimming in a smaller pool, does that make it OK?

I didn't say it was smaller, which wouldn't matter. I say it's less corrupt than FIFA. Much less, with all that we know about European football administrations. I just don't think it helps to tut and say they're all as bad as each other. To fill in the gaps for me, what specifically do you hold against Platini?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 15:18:53
I didn't say it was smaller, which wouldn't matter. I say it's less corrupt than FIFA. Much less, with all that we know about European football administrations. I just don't think it helps to tut and say they're all as bad as each other. To fill in the gaps for me, what specifically do you hold against Platini?

I recall a court case regards UEFA  Ukraine/Poland.....over allegations of corruption, not sure I've ever seen the resolution.

Platini has always been a leading advocate of Qatar....he claims the fact he's been open about it, is because he's nothing to hide.  He says he spent so much time with Bin Hamman (sp) the Qatari fixer, because it was work.

Think he also kept his 16K watch a "gift" from the Brazilian FA....whereas Dyke had to give his back, when the story broke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 15:28:16
I recall a court case regards UEFA  Ukraine/Poland.....over allegations of corruption, not sure I've ever seen the resolution.

Platini has always been a leading advocate of Qatar....he claims the fact he's been open about it, is because he's nothing to hide.  He says he spent so much time with Bin Hamman (sp) the Qatari fixer, because it was work.

Think he also kept his 16K watch a "gift" from the Brazilian FA....whereas Dyke had to give his back, when the story broke.

Don't know about all that, but it really doesn't sound like it's anywhere close to the Blatter league of dedication to self-interest and self-enrichment. That fucker really needs to swing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 17:39:10
what specifically do you hold against Platini?

He's French.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 20, 2014, 18:52:58
Platini has always been a leading advocate of Qatar....he claims the fact he's been open about it, is because he's nothing to hide.  He says he spent so much time with Bin Hamman (sp) the Qatari fixer, because it was work.

He also backed the Qatari takeover of PSG...Of course, his son is high up in the organisation had nothing to do with it !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 1, 2014, 12:34:33
Cellino disqualified by Football League - suspect this is just the start of a long series of legal actions. But a step in the right direction, nonetheless, if they can make it stick. Although technically being disbarred hasn't made much difference to Agombar at Hereford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30276764


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 1, 2014, 17:48:33
Cellino disqualified by Football League - suspect this is just the start of a long series of legal actions. But a step in the right direction, nonetheless, if they can make it stick. Although technically being disbarred hasn't made much difference to Agombar at Hereford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30276764

Didn't the FL, try to stop Cellino at the outset, but were overruled by the courts here? 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 1, 2014, 18:58:22
Didn't the FL, try to stop Cellino at the outset, but were overruled by the courts here? 
No, they were overruled by their own appeals process. But now they've overruled the overruling and we can see the full force of the power of the FL - a four month ban. Which won't be effective in stopping him running the club even if he does pay lip service to it for the four months anyone is pretending it will be in place. No wonder no-one takes them seriously


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 1, 2014, 19:05:00
No, they were overruled by their own appeals process. But now they've overruled the overruling and we can see the full force of the power of the FL - a four month ban. Which won't be effective in stopping him running the club even if he does pay lip service to it for the four months anyone is pretending it will be in place. No wonder no-one takes them seriously

Clearly only a matter of time before, probably the FA, overrule the overruling and give a job to one of Cellino's relos, and throw  a 35K dinner in his honour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 1, 2014, 20:52:30
Clearly only a matter of time before, probably the FA, overrule the overruling and give a job to one of Cellino's relos, and throw  a 35K dinner in his honour.
Maybe some nice watches and the odd handbag or two as well?


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 19:53:51
Not really wrong with football generally but there is a hell of a kit clash in this cup game on BBC 2 this evening


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, December 5, 2014, 20:12:30
Not really wrong with football generally but there is a hell of a kit clash in this cup game on BBC 2 this evening
Agreed - that's a really bad clash (although I always thin that 'clash' is a strange choice of word  - it should be colour 'match' rather than 'clash')

It is bizarre when on the other hand (and this is another 'what's wrong with football' IMO) teams wear their away kit for no reason whatsoever other than to sell more replica kits. Case in point being when Everton played at Spurs the other day and wore all black.  If I'm watching Spurs v Everton, I want to see a team in white/dark blue/white v a team in blue/white/blue.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 20:34:11
Bit sad as well that for what is a sort of derby there are a lot of empty seats.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, December 5, 2014, 21:04:44
Relevant to the game and this thread: Marlon Harewood is still a personal footballer.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 21:06:30
Relevant to the game and this thread: Marlon Harewood is still a personal footballer.
A personal footballer?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, December 5, 2014, 22:30:20
Bit sad as well that for what is a sort of derby there are a lot of empty seats.
Good turn out from Blythe though. I can't really blame the Monkey Hangers for not being arsed, given their current role in L2 of Dead Man Walking.

Edit: Only just saw that Blythe won, thus justifying the decision of those who could not give the afore mentioned arse. That's one of those 'shocks' which really isn't a shock at all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 5, 2014, 23:01:06
Good turn out from Blythe though. I can't really blame the Monkey Hangers for not being arsed, given their current role in L2 of Dead Man Walking.

Edit: Only just saw that Blythe won, thus justifying the decision of those who could not give the afore mentioned arse. That's one of those 'shocks' which really isn't a shock at all.

I didn't know they were bottom until I read this, does explain a lot.

The strange thing is before the game they were saying that Hartlepool are always good in the first half and bugger up the second and they did exactly that tonight...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, December 6, 2014, 00:20:51
2 lovely goals from Blyth though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, December 6, 2014, 08:05:14
A personal footballer?

Oops. Autocorrect.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hoboken on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 07:21:14
I despair at all the shirt-pulling and ridiculous celebrations that takes place during games these days. The real issue is that I'm not talking about men's games...this is all during my son's under-8s Football In The Community Saturday morning sessions. And the coaches say nothing...depressing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 13:58:33
I despair at all the shirt-pulling and ridiculous celebrations that takes place during games these days. The real issue is that I'm not talking about men's games...this is all during my son's under-8s Football In The Community Saturday morning sessions. And the coaches say nothing...depressing.

Just to balance this up, been watching my nephew in u10 games recently. No shirt pulling, no celebrations, parents from both sides clapping goals, if there is a foul they have to shake hands, and you can tell they all love playing. One thing Iv seen as well which is really good, when it's a goal kick the opposition have to stay in their own half which encourages players to pass it out on the floor instead of a big hoof. A penalty shoot out after each match as well, if this happened at every level we could win international tournaments!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 18:37:53
I despair at all the shirt-pulling and ridiculous celebrations that takes place during games these days. The real issue is that I'm not talking about men's games...this is all during my son's under-8s Football In The Community Saturday morning sessions. And the coaches say nothing...depressing.
Shirt-pulling fair enough, see your point and agree, but do you really want coaches intervening to stop kids celebrating goals?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 18:53:15
Red card for Konchesky today. Don't think the ref knew what he gave it for


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 20:38:28
Red card for Konchesky today. Don't think the ref knew what he gave it for

Because he's a cunt?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 20:39:56
Because he's a cunt?

The ref or Konchesky?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, December 7, 2014, 20:48:07
The ref or Konchesky?

I meant Konchesky, but the Ref probably qualifies too :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 13:43:30
Oh dear. Hereford suspended from all football activity. Got to feel for the fans.

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/dec/hereford-united-alan-mccarthy-suspended-all-football-activity


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 14:02:15
I believe quite a lot of the fans will welcome that, they just want the ground back to start again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 13:26:43
Oh dear. Hereford suspended from all football activity. Got to feel for the fans.

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/dec/hereford-united-alan-mccarthy-suspended-all-football-activity

Nope I dont think the death of the club can come soon enough for them so they can rise with a phoenix club rid of the shysters run by people who care


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 19:35:04
Oh dear. Hereford suspended from all football activity. Got to feel for the fans.

http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2014/dec/hereford-united-alan-mccarthy-suspended-all-football-activity
Lifted by FA apparently!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 20:55:20
Europa League being littered with Champions League dropouts. Totaly undermines an already shit tournament.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Thursday, December 11, 2014, 23:23:26
Europa League full stop. What's the point of it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, December 12, 2014, 00:31:26
Europa League full stop. What's the point of it?

£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Friday, December 12, 2014, 07:01:41
Europa League being littered with Champions League dropouts. Totaly undermines an already shit tournament.

Agreed although most of those teams should have been in it in the first place. Champions League should be champions only afterall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, December 12, 2014, 09:02:00
Europa League full stop. What's the point of it?

I think it's only in this country we treat it with such distain.

It's a big deal for clubs outside of the traditional 3 or 4 powerhouse leagues in Europe who have no chance of doing anything in the CL


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 12, 2014, 09:35:17
I liked the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, December 12, 2014, 09:40:09
Inter toto was better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 12, 2014, 13:08:36
Inter toto was better.
Ah yes, UEFA's answer to the JPT. Whatever happened to the InterToto?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 12, 2014, 13:25:27
Spurs' approach to the Intertoto was great. Played games at the old Goldstone Ground (I think) and fielding a mixture of youth/fringe (Kevin Watson) players and loanees (Alan Pardew and David 'Budgie' Byrne).

They got punished.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, December 12, 2014, 14:00:46
Inter City Fairs Cup was the first I remember.

And disbelieving the score Ajax 5 Liverpool 0

WTF - a football club named after some cleaning product!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, December 12, 2014, 14:24:49
Why can't we have a lower league equivalent? Use some of the ridiculous funds made from the CL to spread the spirit of international co-operation and promote inter-european goodwill and so on and so forth.

Might make the little guys a bit of money too.

Oh wait, scratch that idea then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 10:18:58
Because 90% of the teams at our level couldn't afford it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 12:23:37
Why can't we have a lower league equivalent? Use some of the ridiculous funds made from the CL to spread the spirit of international co-operation and promote inter-european goodwill and so on and so forth.

Might make the little guys a bit of money too.

Oh wait, scratch that idea then.


This kind of happens with the Europa league, insofar as the early rounds start more or less as soon as the WC ends, and feature games from small UEFA members Wales, RoI, Luxembourg, etc.

If say, Aberystwyth Town qualify, and get drawn away to an Icelandic team, then I believe there is financial help from UEFA available for costs.

Of course it doesn't do much for lower league clubs in the bigger UEFA members, but the lack of interest in the Anglo-Italian cup when it was tried again in the 90's suggests, it would struggle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 12:40:12
Ever since the fuckers wouldn't allow us into Europe after besting Arsenal in '69 they can all fuck off!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 14:02:13
Because 90% of the teams at our level couldn't afford it

Hence why I said use some of the money from the CL to pay for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 14:59:22
I'm not entirely sure that relatively meaningless games against Avranches (2nd in French ligue 3), or Cremonese (Italian Serie C) would draw crowds to the CG, or TV money to the lower leagues, or justify adding to a packed schedule.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, December 13, 2014, 16:24:11
I'm not entirely sure that relatively meaningless games against Avranches (2nd in French ligue 3), or Cremonese (Italian Serie C) would draw crowds to the CG, or TV money to the lower leagues, or justify adding to a packed schedule.

I wasn't being entirely serious, but that sentiment is pretty much the reason I have interest whatsoever in the CL or Europa.

What is the point of it?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 16:16:35
Not sure whether this is wrong or right, but she doesn't look like the normal problem supporter!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-30505809


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 16:42:46
Not sure whether this is wrong or right, but she doesn't look like the normal problem supporter!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-30505809
I'd quite like to know what was in the background of the picture they appear to have got the junior intern to photoshop her photo out of! Looks like they've cut and paste her head onto someone else's shoulders.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 17:18:03
Sky doing a poll on who will win the Bournemouth game tonight.

Fuck off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 17:25:06
I'll go for Mansfield


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 18:19:27
Sky doing a poll on who will win the Bournemouth game tonight.

Fuck off

Indeed.  I really really hope they dont win.  The fucking circle jerk that will go on in the media if muff win will drown the majority of the country in jizz.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 18:47:02
The fucking circle jerk that will go on in the media if muff win will drown the majority of the country in jizz.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this a line from 'The Taming of the Shrew'?

(http://www.shakespearesengland.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/weptile-image-slider-widget/cache/shakespeare-pic-300x288-resized-267x275.jpg)

 :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 19:34:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30509896

Quote
"I didn't want to use the word massive for finances but it is for a club like us," said Johnson, who managed Yeovil in their non-league days.
"You can't sell a player for a quarter of a million, or half a million, so you have to get it in other ways.

Err, yes you can.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 19:46:20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30509896

Err, yes you can.
Not if you buy the sort of players Johnson does, you can't :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 17, 2014, 19:50:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30509896

Err, yes you can.
What he means is that Yeovil can't sell a player worth that amount because their players are nowhere near the value of ours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 29, 2014, 10:23:35
The new Crystal Palace manger being 8th favourite in the sack race.

Just goes to show how ephemeral being an employed football manager is these days, unless you are brilliant ( Fergie ) or have a weak board (Wenger) that is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Friday, January 2, 2015, 14:42:38
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/37358/the-pace-of-change--preview

This made me laugh, quite a good summary of the premiership...

Quote
I also, as you may have noticed, don’t have a lot of time for the modern day Premier League. I like QPR being in it, because it’s eight fewer fixtures for me to write about, and seeing QPR front up Manchester City as they did in November is preferable to anything I saw in the Championship last season apart from Bobby Zamora’s goal and that Wigan semi-final. But the money, the wild kick off times, the ticket prices, the lack of competitiveness, the fact that a draw away from home is always a good result, the fact we never get a draw away from home, the fact that 14 of the 20 teams exist solely to stay in the division on nothing more, the fact that they all exit the cups early in order to achieve that…. Sigh.

Perhaps it’s just those fucking Thierry Henry adverts that are getting me down. “It’s impossible to talk about my career without talking about Sky, because it’s where I performed.” No, Thierry, you performed on the grass football pitch in front of the football supporters who paid their ticket money to go and watch you. “He’s going to add so much to what we’re doing here.” Really Jamie Redknapp? What are you doing here? Talking bland bollocks for the bits of time when there’s neither football nor adverts on?

I don’t know what’s more annoying... The festering turd of Aston Villa v Leicedster being shined up as a “Super Sunday” - about as Super as the Sunday I accidentally reversed over the neighbour’s pure bred cat - or the latest in a long line of Liverpool v Chelsea fixtures being billed as some sort of inter-galactic war to end all wars and bring peace to the universe. The deliberately bland interviews of Nigel Pearson and Paul Lambert, designed specifically to create no attention or coverage whatsoever, or the snide rudeness of Brendan Rodgers and Jose Mourinho being exploded for days, billed as some sort of terribly interesting “war of wards” that we’re all meant to follow and hang on and talk about at work and on the tube and in our sleep. “Oh Jose, have you seen what he’s said now? Have you? Have you though? He’s a card isn’t he, old Jose. Cor. Jose. Eh? Did you hear what he said? Did you? Jose.”

I hate the way the transfer window is billed as the most important thing, more important than the games themselves in fact, and yet it’s approached with such slapdash reporting standards - because it’s only football at the end of the day - that newspapers and television stations send out information they know to be false, often peddled by a single source trying to get his client a move. And I hate the way people lap it up... “Oooooh Saido Berahino’s going to Liverpool” you may say to me, if you wanted me to rip out your throat and show it to you. No he’s not, Saido Berahino’s agent is pitching for a better contract is what’s happening you fucking mouth breathing melt.

So, anyway, Chelsea are playing Spurs, which is all any of the bloody stay-at-home, non-attending, lard-arse, new-age football “fans” of this country give a shiny shite about this weekend. There are other games taking place, Louis Van Gaal v Mark Hughes for example if they can fit their bloody egos in the same ground at the same time, but frankly if you’re that desperate to know who’s playing who you won’t be looking for it here and I’d like to step away from my desk now so there it is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, January 2, 2015, 15:03:57
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/37358/the-pace-of-change--preview

This made me laugh, quite a good summary of the premiership...

Love it  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, January 2, 2015, 22:31:37
Cardiff getting 4200 at home tonight.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 2, 2015, 22:51:50
Cardiff getting 4200 at home tonight.
Was there a protest over changing the clubs colours? Saw the end of a news report where it was mentioned again recently...


Seems it may have been + on TV live...

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-fans-explain-reasons-8376602


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 00:17:11
The way people are talking about Gerrard, you'd think he'd died.
Superb player yes, but he's not 6 feet under, he's not even retired, he's only moving clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 01:31:20
Cardiff getting 4200 at home tonight.

Go back 15/16 years and that would have been just about Cardiff's biggest crowd of the season....a derby v Swansea getting a couple of hundred more.  Not a nice club, hopefully back to Div 4, or better still LoW asap.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: manc_red on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 12:03:08
Was there a protest over changing the clubs colours? Saw the end of a news report where it was mentioned again recently...


The thing is most of them never seemed to mind when they were in the Premier League; it's only now they're heading down the shitter that the protests are growing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 12:52:15
Most of their fans are new to the game, as Reg points out they used to get 2k away and about 4k at home not so long ago (the 2k were more there for a good fight away).  So I suppose a change in kit and all the other shenanigans don't really annoy them too much and when in the Prem they were in the majority.  Now they start to slip again, the vocal originals start to be heard a little more.  The downside to rapid attendance growth I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 13:28:56
The thing is most of them never seemed to mind when they were in the Premier League; it's only now they're heading down the shitter that the protests are growing.
That's simply not true. There were plenty of very vocal protests/marches when they were in the PL. This is the first time they've tried a boycott though AFAIK. And it would seem, very effectively.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: manc_red on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 13:49:47
That's simply not true. There were plenty of very vocal protests/marches when they were in the PL. This is the first time they've tried a boycott though AFAIK. And it would seem, very effectively.

It might have been a bit of a generalisation - and of course there were certainly protests in the first season they changed -  but there is no doubt that the protests have been gaining momentum lately and there is a correlation between that and their league position. I know quite a few Cardiff fans who now boycott, apparently because of the kit, who didn't in the PL season.

The South Wales Echo was neutral initially but has recently joined the campaign against - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/south-wales-echo-cardiff-city-7093125

See also - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-citys-only-pro-red-online-7132885


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: hobnob on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 14:00:37
The way people are talking about Gerrard, you'd think he'd died.
Superb player yes, but he's not 6 feet under, he's not even retired, he's only moving clubs.

Spot on!


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 3, 2015, 14:18:10
Clear lack of ambition staying with Liverpool for so long anyway.


:)


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 10:27:32
The BBC taking the FA cup so seriously that they couldn't be arsed to send a commentator to the Derby games and instead doing something strange with what was obviously radio commentary over the highlights.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 14:07:36
The BBC taking the FA cup so seriously that they couldn't be arsed to send a commentator to the Derby games and instead doing something strange with what was obviously radio commentary over the highlights.
I  noticed that too. In fairness, he was a BBC radio commentator - I had 5 live on and off yesterday afternoon alternating with WS and they did keep going to him at Derby - but still a bit tinpot that they apparently forgot to record it separately?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 14:07:47
Oldham. Again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 15:17:34
BT Sport suggesting that Swansea knocking Man Utd out of the cup last year is some sort of giant killing!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 15:29:34
They just showed some cunt in the home end with a Man Utd shirt and a half n' half scarf on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 15:52:58
media patronising small clubs during the fa cup.Dover Palace commentary was excruciating.They are full time pros for fuck's sake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 15:56:53
The BBC's desperation for an upset is painful.  The guy screaming and shouting about little sheffield United giant killing against QPR was pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 16:37:26
The BBC's desperation for an upset is painful.  The guy screaming and shouting about little sheffield United giant killing against QPR was pathetic.

Good job Wrexham have just gone 1-0 up at stoke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 4, 2015, 16:41:55
Fuck sake


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 5, 2015, 12:21:11
Not sure it's "wrong" more bizarre. I'm all for fund raising initiatives but this one is slightly insane:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-30680502

Quote
Accrington Stanley fans are being asked to spend £20 on souvenir tickets for a game which will never happen.

The League Two side blew their chance of hosting Manchester United in the third round of the FA Cup by losing to Yeovil in their second-round replay.

Undeterred by missing out on a lucrative tie against United, Stanley have still produced 250 tickets.

Chairman Peter Marsden said the money would go towards "strengthening the squad" for the rest of the season.

The limited-edition tickets are being marketed as marking the club's FA Cup run.
...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 13:08:20
Blackpool chairman to sue fan for posting infomation about him on the web

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30709703


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 7, 2015, 13:25:57
FA Cup 3rd round matches on a Tuesday night! WTF!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 9, 2015, 15:54:20
It might have been a bit of a generalisation - and of course there were certainly protests in the first season they changed -  but there is no doubt that the protests have been gaining momentum lately and there is a correlation between that and their league position. I know quite a few Cardiff fans who now boycott, apparently because of the kit, who didn't in the PL season.

The South Wales Echo was neutral initially but has recently joined the campaign against - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/south-wales-echo-cardiff-city-7093125

See also - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-citys-only-pro-red-online-7132885
The boycott seems to have been extremely effective - blue shirts coming back immediately:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30741073


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 9, 2015, 15:59:53
The boycott seems to have been extremely effective - blue shirts coming back immediately:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30741073

Apparently because he got a bollocking off his mother?

"The Christmas and New Year period has given me time to reflect on events of the last year. Spending time with my family has had a profound effect upon me, my mother... spoke to me on the importance of togetherness, unity and happiness. Cardiff City Football Club is important to me and I wish to see it united and happy."



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 9, 2015, 16:42:52
Apparently because he got a bollocking off his mother?

"The Christmas and New Year period has given me time to reflect on events of the last year. Spending time with my family has had a profound effect upon me, my mother... spoke to me on the importance of togetherness, unity and happiness. Cardiff City Football Club is important to me and I wish to see it united and happy."
Yeah, sure. Chinny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, January 12, 2015, 18:29:42
David Luiz getting in the FIFA World Team of the Year... as a defender.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 12, 2015, 18:38:34
He's not even the best player in his position of his nationality at his club!


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 14, 2015, 21:47:49
Both linesmen wearing gloves on the Ipswich v. Southampton game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 10:24:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30848969

More about the line below when coupled with the £10.6m loss, as opposed to the (still less of a loss than 1982 ltd) £10.6m.

Quote
The Sussex club complied with the Football League's Financial Fair Play regulations  ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 10:27:44
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30848969

More about the line below when coupled with the £10.6m loss, as opposed to the (still less of a loss than 1982 ltd) £10.6m.

One of the bigger clubs will implode soon and that will be a massive wake up call to clubs carrying these debts and hopefully stop this vast overspending madness.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 10:39:11
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30848969

More about the line below when coupled with the £10.6m loss, as opposed to the (still less of a loss than 1982 ltd) £10.6m.


And as with the 82's they have a chairman who covers the losses. Was this not exactly what we were doing 2 yesrs ago?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 12:13:57
It was, but not to the same extent.  It made a good deal of us uncomfortable as well.

Its typical of football that 'only' losing 10m instead of 15m is seen as a good thing.  Such a nonsense this sport.  Ive said it before, someone significant needs to go down to wake up this ridiculous business.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 12:16:41
It was, but not to the same extent.  It made a good deal of us uncomfortable as well.

Its typical of football that 'only' losing 10m instead of 15m is seen as a good thing.  Such a nonsense this sport.  Ive said it before, someone significant needs to go down to wake up this ridiculous business.

Haven't Leeds, Portsmouth etc done so already without anything substantial changing (except arguably FFP)?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 13:08:36
Haven't Leeds, Portsmouth etc done so already without anything substantial changing (except arguably FFP)?

Don't think there is anything to make clubs think twice about doing it at present. None of the financial schemes are having an effect and clubs are happy taking the risk and the potential penalties.

I reckon the best chance is other clubs looking at what we're doing, what can be achieved and copying. One day people like Lansdown will start asking the question of why he's blowing £10m a season when a club that is close to breaking even on smaller attendances is ahead of them in the league.

The more clubs that use the loan system (and the number of loan players allowed being increased) and refuse to pay ridiculous salaries to players outside the PL, the more wages will come down, the more clubs will start breaking even.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 13:11:54
Don't think there is anything to make clubs think twice about doing it at present. None of the financial schemes are having an effect and clubs are happy taking the risk and the potential penalties.

I reckon the best chance is other clubs looking at what we're doing, what can be achieved and copying. One day people like Lansdown will start asking the question of why he's blowing £10m a season when a club that is close to breaking even on smaller attendances is ahead of them in the league.

The more clubs that use the loan system (and the number of loan players allowed being increased) and refuse to pay ridiculous salaries to players outside the PL, the more wages will come down, the more clubs will start breaking even.

And maybe, just maybe, a few more young English players will make their way through to the highest level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 18:21:10
One of the bigger clubs will implode soon and that will be a massive wake up call to clubs carrying these debts and hopefully stop this vast overspending madness.

Hopefully starting with Bolton, or at least Gartside.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30863091


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, January 17, 2015, 18:59:35
I had to look it up to see what you were on about. Hilarious effort. Flappy The Salmon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez8ZNNLHAGA)

For Si.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 18, 2015, 10:16:33
Hopefully starting with Bolton, or at least Gartside.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30863091
Couldn't happen to a nicer chairman ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 09:45:49
Martin Ødegaard will be earning £80k a week apparently. Way way too much for a 16 year old!

Hope he is managed well.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 14:37:20
He's Norwegian, that's pocket money to him.

I read that his father has been offered a coaching role at Real so sure he'll be guided well by both his father and Zizou


Title: Re:
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 14:39:00
He's Norwegian, that's pocket money to him.

Does this make you a gold-digger?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 22, 2015, 14:57:49
Martin Ødegaard will be earning £80k a week apparently. Way way too much for a 16 year old!

Hope he is managed well.

I think this has been lost in translation. I saw a few reports of this 80k a week first thing this morning and have since removed this.
I really can't see he would be on 80k.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, February 5, 2015, 21:21:00
Crowd trouble at Ghana/Equatorial Guinea game right now. No need for it at all. Commentators saying EG fans have left the stadium to ambush the Ghana fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, February 6, 2015, 08:13:54
The Equatorial Guinean version of Eric Read was well up for it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, February 6, 2015, 08:18:39
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2941681/A-Leyton-Orient-player-earns-20-000-week-s-rare-breed-sportsman-filthy-rich-stay-hungry-success-like-Cristiano-Ronaldo.html

I hope they go bust anyway. Shitty little club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 6, 2015, 08:25:56
This form is the last thing Orient need with West Ham United moving nearby in a couple of years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 6, 2015, 10:52:05
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2941681/A-Leyton-Orient-player-earns-20-000-week-s-rare-breed-sportsman-filthy-rich-stay-hungry-success-like-Cristiano-Ronaldo.html

I hope they go bust anyway. Shitty little club
The O's fans seem to think its Dossena thats on £20k but also that McAnuff, Simpson and Henderson are all on between £8k and £10k per week as well.

Thats probably just a little less than the 82ers are paying in wages per player yet they have something to show for it, whereas Orient are relegation fodder this season.

So it seems that the wages those 4 players at Orient exceed our WHOLE playing budget. Thats appalling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, February 6, 2015, 12:05:14
The O's fans seem to think its Dossena thats on £20k but also that McAnuff, Simpson and Henderson are all on between £8k and £10k per week as well.

Thats probably just a little less than the 82ers are paying in wages per player yet they have something to show for it, whereas Orient are relegation fodder this season.

So it seems that the wages those 4 players at Orient exceed our WHOLE playing budget. Thats appalling.

Orient overachieved last season...but now they are reverting back to type with a relegation scrap.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 6, 2015, 14:09:05
Just putting a placeholder here in case they reveal who has won the next TV packages for the greed league.

I mean <insert billions here> is an obscene amount, it really going to widen the canyon between the haves and have nots. <insert companies here> have totally destroyed football for the attending fan. Sky started it, but <insert other companies here> have really pushed the auction price up, all in the name of competition. it isn't dubbed the greed league for nothing. the sooner it goes bust the better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, February 6, 2015, 14:17:19
Just putting a placeholder here in case they reveal who has won the next TV packages for the greed league.

I mean <insert billions here> is an obscene amount, it really going to widen the canyon between the haves and have nots. <insert companies here> have totally destroyed football for the attending fan. Sky started it, but <insert other companies here> have really pushed the auction price up, all in the name of competition. it isn't dubbed the greed league for nothing. the sooner it goes bust the better.

A special mention should go to Virgin Media who want Ofcom to force the PL to show even more games live.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31031338


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 12:53:59
Grimsby fan thrown out of FGR for having an inflatable

http://lockerdome.com/awaydays/6169470909558849/7398955126377745

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/Mobile%20Uploads/th_IMG_20150208_125016_zpsb9a4a0bd.jpg) (http://s866.photobucket.com/user/mark_woolhouse/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150208_125016_zpsb9a4a0bd.jpg.html)

Its an inflatable ffs not a bomb, is a headlock really necessary


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 12:58:51
Is another fan in that pic carrying his dog?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 13:09:51
The fella with the dog and headband combo encapsulates the 'vibe' at Forest Green Rovers.

God-dang hippies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 13:35:28
I still can't see it kick it off like that *just* for dicking around with an inflatable. Something else must have happened.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 13:41:36
I still can't see it kick it off like that *just* for dicking around with an inflatable. Something else must have happened.

Going by Grimsby's forum apparently not. And whatever it was, did it really need at least 6 stewards to eject him in such an aggressive manner, especially going by the picture that he doesn't appear to be a particularly youthful chap.

We all know what happens to stewards as soon as they don the florescent jackets - they think they're god.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/PICTURED-Grimsby-Town-fan-ejected-ground-Forest/story-25990661-detail/story.html#ixzz3R5clN4QQ


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 13:48:59
 I could understand it if he'd kicked off, hence the comment, even then it looks OTT.

If its genuinely over the inflatable, they should be sacked from their jobs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 14:07:47
If you click on the pic you can buy a copy of it. I've bought the canvas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 15:02:05
Has the one on the far left got his hand stuck up the arse of the one in front of him?
 ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 8, 2015, 15:34:43
If you click on the pic you can buy a copy of it. I've bought the canvas.
Hahah! I went for the metal print...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Monday, February 9, 2015, 20:26:15
Hearing that Chelskie have got 28 players out on loan.

Ffs they may as well start their own league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 9, 2015, 20:32:54
Hearing that Chelskie have got 28 players out on loan.

Ffs they may as well start their own league.

If Chelsea had a B team playing in Div 3, then I guess they'd need a squad of say 24/25 or so.  This is the sort of thing that Dyke is proposing......Moyes has just been on the radio talking about his missionary work in Spain. and he's on about how good it is that Sociedad have a B team, just the sort of thing we could do with here.

Nope, I'm fine with Chelsea using this way of getting young players some experience...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 9, 2015, 21:57:02
Nowt wrong with football tonight.  The Filthy Franchisr have just gifted us an opportunity to open up a 4 point gap with 3rd place tomorrow.  We have to capitalise.  Get in!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, February 9, 2015, 23:35:45
The O's fans seem to think its Dossena thats on £20k but also that McAnuff, Simpson and Henderson are all on between £8k and £10k per week as well.

Thats probably just a little less than the 82ers are paying in wages per player yet they have something to show for it, whereas Orient are relegation fodder this season.

So it seems that the wages those 4 players at Orient exceed our WHOLE playing budget. Thats appalling.

Cuthbert must be on 30k at least...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, February 9, 2015, 23:39:44
Cuthbert must be on 30k at least...

You have to pay for pure quality..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 08:01:54
You have to pay for pure quality..

or based on the weight


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:13:33
Premier League tv rights for the UK have sold for £5bn.

There's too much money in the PL, players are paid too much, it doesn't filter down the leagues, it all goes to foreigners, blah blah blah.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:30:27
You can't blame Clubs, or The FA, or even the TV companies for the ludicrous amounts of money paid out for TV rights to games. You can however blame the consumers of said 'product'. Demand dictates the price and the demand is huge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:38:31
£10 million per match apparently. Lunacy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:44:14
I just can't see how that's profitable when streaming is so rampant. I have BT Sport as I have BT Internet but I certainly won't pay for it if it ends up costing Sky level prices. It's a big gamble for those two companies, the subscriber model isn't secure enough to withstand huge price hikes surely?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:49:13
£10 million per match apparently. Lunacy
And yet they can't have ticket prices the working man and his family can afford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:50:00
I just can't see how that's profitable when streaming is so rampant. I have BT Sport as I have BT Internet but I certainly won't pay for it if it ends up costing Sky level prices. It's a big gamble for those two companies, the subscriber model isn't secure enough to withstand huge price hikes surely?

Lets hope not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:50:42
I'm a mug because is subscribe to sky and bt sport. If everyone said fuck it I'm out and cancelled then maybe things might change but until then it will be what it is. The money footballers are getting paid is way beyond stupid now too. It should have been capped years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:54:38
£112,000 per minute of coverage apparently or the equivalent of giving every fan attending £50 each per game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:58:08
I'm a mug because is subscribe to sky and bt sport. If everyone said fuck it I'm out and cancelled then maybe things might change but until then it will be what it is. The money footballers are getting paid is way beyond stupid now too. It should have been capped years ago.

Off hired my sky and to honest don't miss the wall to wall football.
99 times out of 100 only watched it cos it was on not cos I particularly wanted too.
Am sure many out there do the same.

Bottom team in the prem now gets 99 million
 :eek:
If and when the bubble bursts will be very messy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 17:59:51
Premier League tv rights for the UK have sold for £5bn.

There's too much money in the PL, players are paid too much, it doesn't filter down the leagues, it all goes to foreigners, blah blah blah.

Of course...because generally football fans are mugs, ultimately if we don't like it we can always not subscribe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:02:06
The fan who turns up doesn't really mean fuck all to clubs now. Even though the money to the fan to attend is expensive it barely makes an impact to the club. Tv money is blowing it away. It's insane. The arse will fall out of it eventually though I think, fingers crossed.
Then maybe footballers will be paid more realistically and fans may matter again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:04:14
I don't subscribe to Sky Sports or BT Sports. There's way too much football and I dare say that the 'Saturday 3pm' ban will be lifted in a matter of seasons.

Personally, I'd still much rather attend games than stay at home. I can certainly see the appeal because I spent most of university days watching relevant and irrelevant football on big screens in the union but it's just not for me anymore.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:10:12
I don't subscribe to Sky Sports or BT Sports.
Ditto, they will never get a penny out of me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 18:47:50
I get BT sports, but only as part of broadband. Can see that deal being dropped soon, they have champions  and won't be giving it away..

Some depressing figures:
 BT paid £960m (+30%), Sky £4.18bn (+83%), so Sky paying 11m per game, BT £7.6m per game

Good luck with the price rises Sky Sports subscribers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:01:16
I don't directly subscribe to Sky Sports as its part of my Virgin TiVo package along with free BT Sports. I do like to watch Premiership football occasional but not every game that's broadcast. I'd be happy just to watch the major games down the pub if Sky put their residential subscriptions up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:11:24
I get BT sports, but only as part of broadband. Can see that deal being dropped soon, they have champions  and won't be giving it away

I hope they split it out- I like watching the rugby and European league football but wouldn't pay 30 odd quid a month to subsidise the CL and Prem games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:20:05
I hope they split it out- I like watching the rugby and European league football but wouldn't pay 30 odd quid a month to subsidise the CL and Prem games.

They could do. It kind of makes sense for them to give some Prem games free in the 'broadband pack' to entice people over to their broadband.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:21:09
I don't subscribe to sky or bt sport either. I see the town goals on the internet and we live 100 yards from a decent boozer so if I want to watch a game I'll go down the battle cruiser.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 19:40:46
Im sure it will all trickle down to the other clubs and the grass roots.  Players and agents wont keep it all.

I may be being slightly sarcastic.

I seem to remember when I first started watching football people would bang on about how its ok for players to be paid well as its a short career.  Fuckers only have to work for a month to be set for life.  Load of old shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 09:06:57
I do have Sky, but I've been watching less and less PL games over the years.

There is just too many games on TV, and with games now being shown on Friday nights, I feel for the FL, as that was one of their slots, even though Sky have 'lost' the 5.30pm slot on Sat nights, so the FL games can go there, assuming they want the TV rights.

Hopefully Virgin will lose their appeal to Ofcom, otherwise I worry for the game in this country.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:03:49
The Premier League is "a success story" but not a charity, its chief executive Richard Scudamore has said over criticism on a record £5.14bn TV deal.

Scudamore must be one of the most revolting human beings to have ever inhabited the earth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:19:38
Scudamore must be one of the most revolting human beings to have ever inhabited the earth.

Well he is a fan of the '82'ers' !!

And just imagine what his 'bonus' will be for 'negotiating' this deal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:31:36
Its hard to argue that 'brand EPL' isn't doing well under his guidance.

Financially of course, and at the expense of what's good for wider football, but who cares, right.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:38:30
Its hard to argue that 'brand EPL' isn't doing well under his guidance.

Financially of course, and at the expense of what's good for wider football, but who cares, right.

Which is what Scudamore is paid to do, maximise returns for his paymasters the Premier League clubs, he is not the moral compass of football or thinking of the wider game - that's not his job that's the FA's gig!

I am not for a minute saying I agree with it in any way, but taking an entirely business approach to it Scudamore is doing what he is paid to do... and doing it bloody well!

Still an objectionable twat though, he and Gordon Taylor bloody deserve each other!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:40:10
We are in complete agreement!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:42:19
We are in complete agreement!

Summarised as the FA are toothless and Scudamore is a prick!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:47:10
He really is quite a reprehensible human being isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 12:52:58
He really is quite a reprehensible human being isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage

You'd think he'd just respond with a "that's down to the individual clubs" bland statement wouldn't you....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:12:47
Scudamore must be one of the most revolting human beings to have ever inhabited the earth.

Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:12:47
Never paid for televised football and never will. If there were no fans (viewers) then the ridiculous salaries wouldn't exist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:18:11
Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...

Quality, although Jed is more evostick league really :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:20:47
Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...

Now here's a contest to rival "TEFs hardest animal". "TEFs least favourite shitbag" - will we go for a world stage prick or a local anti-hero? A modern day world ruiner or a villain of yore?

It'd be like that BBC 100 Best Britons thing except Jeremy Clarkson would be on the list rather than presenting it...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 13:28:34
Premier League: Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan...
Championship: Jack the Ripper, Fred West, Jihadi John...
League 1: Rupert Murdoch, Margaret Thatcher, Robert Maxwell...
League 2: Richard Scudamore, David Mellor, Jed McCrory...

I'd place him (Scudamore) top of league one, with the 82ers!

Edit - No Pol Pot?

Double edit - or Bonnie Langford?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 14:47:10
He really is quite a reprehensible human being isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/11/richard-scudamore-premier-league-responsibility-living-wage
Being a Slave Trader, he's not used to paying for labour so its probably quite a peculiar argument for him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 15:16:07
I finally got around to reading the article and frankly, I don't know what Scudamore has said wrong. There's a national minimum wage which clubs have to adhere to, like any other business. If politicians think there needs to be a different measure for businesses which "make a lot of money", then they should legislate for it. We get a lot of similar pontificating about the banks and offshore businesses like Google, but you can't blame companies for adhering strictly to the existing laws. Rather than these cheap soundbites, they should sit down and table a bill.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, February 11, 2015, 22:05:18
I finally got around to reading the article and frankly, I don't know what Scudamore has said wrong. There's a national minimum wage which clubs have to adhere to, like any other business. If politicians think there needs to be a different measure for businesses which "make a lot of money", then they should legislate for it. We get a lot of similar pontificating about the banks and offshore businesses like Google, but you can't blame companies for adhering strictly to the existing laws. Rather than these cheap soundbites, they should sit down and table a bill.
I think it is his inability to even suggest that he would want to see clubs pay a living wage, or for the PL to ensure an increased proportion of the wealth is filtered down to the lower leagues and 'grass roots'. Just like a politician, he hides behind 'market forces' and his 'employers', when he could quite easily proffer a personal opinion or preferred direction he wants to take the PL.

His interview did nothing to sway my opinion that the PL is a bag of self-serving shite that deserves to burst open and stain the limp dick that is the FA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 10:43:08
If Sky have got this sort of money to throw around perhaps they should spend some replacing the useless bints they use to front their SSN programme.

That useless fucker who does match reports, the useless blond Irish shagger and the rest apart from Natalie Sawyer and Alex Greaves who actually know what they are talking about instead of just looking pretty reading from the autocue


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 10:44:03
I'd place him (Scudamore) top of league one, with the 82ers!

Edit - No Pol Pot?

Double edit - or Bonnie Langford?

I think Scudamore has a lot of competition and really is non-league quality when it comes to the aforementioned table, there are a lot of considerably more unpleasant people out there- they just keep it quieter!

I would be interested to see where people place Tony Blair in that league table!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 10:48:38
I finally got around to reading the article and frankly, I don't know what Scudamore has said wrong. There's a national minimum wage which clubs have to adhere to, like any other business. If politicians think there needs to be a different measure for businesses which "make a lot of money", then they should legislate for it. We get a lot of similar pontificating about the banks and offshore businesses like Google, but you can't blame companies for adhering strictly to the existing laws. Rather than these cheap soundbites, they should sit down and table a bill.

I think the thing is the politicians like to press the living wage thing when it suits them, and football as 'the peoples game' (TM) is an easy target which will get some column inches, however legislating for it is an entirely different matter - similarly to the fact that Labour now bang on constantly about tax evasion having done bugger all about it when they had the chance between 1997 and 2010.

Scudamore is employed by the clubs to maximise income, he starts criticising his employers and they will rapidly find someone else happy to earn a 6 figure salary and tow the party line.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 10:49:22
I never fail to conclude that Chelsea Football Club seem to personify everything that is wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, February 12, 2015, 15:08:15
apart from them paying the living wage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 13, 2015, 18:04:54
Sounds like the new regime at Orient is settling in nicely:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-leyton-orient-in-turmoil-10043908.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, February 13, 2015, 21:39:24
Sounds like the new regime at Orient is settling in nicely:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/revealed-leyton-orient-in-turmoil-10043908.html

On a related note, this made me laugh. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31428076


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 15, 2015, 12:18:37
It's not really what's wrong with football as such, but how it is reported. And this is Orient related as well.

All the media outlets report all goals scored from the 90th minute onwards as just that - 90. So it doesn't matter if a goal has been scored in the 91st, 92nd or 93rd minute etc, it gets reported as 90. So you can get instances of two really late goals being scored, which could have happened last week in the QPR v Southampton game. Southampton scored in the 91st minute and QPR thought they had equalised in the 93rd (or something like that). It was disallowed but had it not been, both goals would have gone down as '90'.

I was just reading about Orient's 3-2 win at Chesterfield and their winning goal is listed at '90'. When you read the report though, they actually scored in the 101st minute  :eek:

I'm not going to let it ruin my weekend (Town already did that yesterday ::)) but it seems a bit silly though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, February 15, 2015, 12:27:15
It's not really what's wrong with football as such, but how it is reported. And this is Orient related as well.

All the media outlets report all goals scored from the 90th minute onwards as just that - 90. So it doesn't matter if a goal has been scored in the 91st, 92nd or 93rd minute etc, it gets reported as 90. So you can get instances of two really late goals being scored, which could have happened last week in the QPR v Southampton game. Southampton scored in the 91st minute and QPR thought they had equalised in the 93rd (or something like that). It was disallowed but had it not been, both goals would have gone down as '90'.

I was just reading about Orient's 3-2 win at Chesterfield and their winning goal is listed at '90'. When you read the report though, they actually scored in the 101st minute  :eek:

I'm not going to let it ruin my weekend (Town already did that yesterday ::)) but it seems a bit silly though.

I remember a Liverpool Arsenal game few years back when 2 penalties were scored in something like 92nd and 101st minute. Both went down as '90.' I agree, is annoying.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 15, 2015, 12:40:19
It's not really what's wrong with football as such, but how it is reported. And this is Orient related as well.

All the media outlets report all goals scored from the 90th minute onwards as just that - 90.
...

I'm not going to let it ruin my weekend (Town already did that yesterday ::)) but it seems a bit silly though.

The Vidiprinter I use (Sporting life, but others too) seem to indicate the injury time minutes as 45+x and 90+x (90+11 in this case)..

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/results

The BBC are butt nuggets though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 17:58:59
Looking at the below it would appear that the Bournemouth chairman is trying to cosy up to the premier chairmen.

'17:37 Football
Championship clubs could benefit by about £1m per year from the new Premier League TV rights deal, according to Bournemouth chairman Jeff Mostyn.

He said money would "trickle down" to the Championship in a "very positive outcome" for clubs in the second tier.

"It could mean a substantial amount in real terms. We may be talking in excess of £1m," he told BBC Radio Solent.'

Yeah that 1m makes it all fair.... dick!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 16, 2015, 18:02:04
Wonder how much wages will rise, which will also trickle down...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, February 16, 2015, 18:13:58
Looking at the below it would appear that the Bournemouth chairman is trying to cosy up to the premier chairmen.

'17:37 Football
Championship clubs could benefit by about £1m per year from the new Premier League TV rights deal, according to Bournemouth chairman Jeff Mostyn.

He said money would "trickle down" to the Championship in a "very positive outcome" for clubs in the second tier.

"It could mean a substantial amount in real terms. We may be talking in excess of £1m," he told BBC Radio Solent.'

Yeah that 1m makes it all fair.... dick!

That blokes a prick.

BBC South news are always up his ringpiece making out that it is a true fairytale how bournemouth are top of the championship

Twats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 18:18:07
That blokes a prick.

BBC South news are always up his ringpiece making out that it is a true fairytale how bournemouth are top of the championship

Twats

The fairytale being that some rich cunt has come in!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:45:27
Man United on the tv again.  Seriously BBC, if they go out in the next round are you going to find an excuse to show them playing a friendly against salford?

Kiss ass bbc wankers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:48:45
Isn't it something like the last 20+ FA Cup ties of theirs have been shown on the box.

Ridiculous, although tonight is worthy of TV in all fairness


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:51:01
And I see if they win they get through to face Arsenal, sure fire on the box.  It could be that they are covered in every possible round.  I wouldnt be arsed but seriously, Yeovil?  Cambridge?  The glamour ties that everyone desperately wants to see.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:52:37
Advertising banners taking up seats (see Deepdale tonight).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 19:58:58
Advertising banners taking up seats (see Deepdale tonight).

Am not watching
Is that first few rows behind the goals ?
Preston usually have black sheeting over those anyway for some odd reason


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:03:59
Isn't it something like the last 20+ FA Cup ties of theirs have been shown on the box.

Ridiculous, although tonight is worthy of TV in all fairness

45 consecutive ties, inc tonight.

As if anyone cares. The FA Cup has been dead for years, may as well be a pre- season friendly for all I care.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jimbob on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:04:37
Martin keown


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:26:57
Am not watching
Is that first few rows behind the goals ?
Preston usually have black sheeting over those anyway for some odd reason
Yes, but advertising (Virgin Trains) rather than the usual black tonight. And it is at the away end too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:26:59
Man United on TV shocker  :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:29:07
Kevin Davies is a horrible cunt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:32:07
You're only watching to see if Pnethor does a streak  :)


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 20:41:37
Man United on the tv again.  Seriously BBC, if they go out in the next round are you going to find an excuse to show them playing a friendly against salford?

Kiss ass bbc wankers.
Half time is turning into a Rooney love in and Roy Hodgson has been replaced by a robot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:05:51
To be fair to the BBC, seeing a team costing over £230m being turned over by one that cost nothing is pretty good TV.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 16, 2015, 21:15:23
Much as I would like Preston to win,  just what the fuck does Kevin Davies need to do to get sent off?


Title: Re:
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, February 16, 2015, 23:21:40
Much as I would like Preston to win,  just what the fuck does Kevin Davies need to do to get sent off?

Is he Higdon in disguise?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 07:35:18
Yes, but advertising (Virgin Trains) rather than the usual black tonight. And it is at the away end too.

I see the BBC have put their electronic advertising boards around the pitch too, like they did at Cambridge...

Unless they're usually at Deepdale? They weren't last season..

I wonder if these ones burn peoples retinas?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 07:35:32
Kevin Davies is a horrible cunt

Seconded.


Title: Re:
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 07:57:31
Much as I would like Preston to win,  just what the fuck does Kevin Davies need to do to get sent off?
I bet he now scores against Scunny at the weekend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 09:08:47
I also see that finally football has become an entirely non-contact sport.

Whilst it is unclear what the hell Preston's keeper was doing there, in sliding out he missed ball and player by a country mile, Rooney could have hurdled him but instead fell to the ground with no contact and penalty it is.

In that case where he has not touched the player but by his actions prevented him chasing the ball is that not obstruction?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 09:21:56
Terrible dive, should have been booked for doing so


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 09:37:41
I also see that finally football has become an entirely non-contact sport.

Whilst it is unclear what the hell Preston's keeper was doing there, in sliding out he missed ball and player by a country mile, Rooney could have hurdled him but instead fell to the ground with no contact and penalty it is.

In that case where he has not touched the player but by his actions prevented him chasing the ball is that not obstruction?

Don't think referees help with this - if there is no contact and the player doesn't go down they don't give a penalty.

Should have been a penalty whether Rooney went down or not as he was forced to take avoiding action.

But that was an awful and blatant dive. Made worse by Hodgson et al refusing to criticise him for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 09:44:01
I couldn't have been a dive because it was rooney.  He doesn't dive.  He doesn't swear, he doesn't harrangue refs, he doesn't cheat in any way.  I know this because England manager and ex united players in the media tell me so.  He was taking evasive action by diving.  Its different.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:12:50
It's a strange thing about English football that Kevin Davies attempting to damage anyone who came within five feet of him qualifies him as a "whole hearted footballer" and passes without adverse comment (except on here, but we hate everyone) and, at the other end of the scale, a player diving creates piles of headlines and comment and makes Rooney villain numero uno. Personally when I play I'd much rather someone on the other team dived than tried to remove my head with their elbow at every opportunity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:18:57
Oh absolutely.  I totally agree that Davies is a cunt.  But so is Rooney and the excusing of his behaviour by his chums pisses me off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:29:58
One other small thing which irritates me...

Player running through, defender cuts across him between him and ball to stop him getting it without playing the ball - obstruction given.

Ball running out or through to keeper, attacker chasing and would reach, defender steps across him to block his passage without making effort to play ball - good defending.

What's the bloody difference!

I have woken up a right grumpy git this morning.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:31:12
It's a strange thing about English football that Kevin Davies attempting to damage anyone who came within five feet of him qualifies him as a "whole hearted footballer" and passes without adverse comment (except on here, but we hate everyone) and, at the other end of the scale, a player diving creates piles of headlines and comment and makes Rooney villain numero uno. Personally when I play I'd much rather someone on the other team dived than tried to remove my head with their elbow at every opportunity.

TOTALLY agree.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:37:50
It's a strange thing about English football that Kevin Davies attempting to damage anyone who came within five feet of him qualifies him as a "whole hearted footballer" and passes without adverse comment (except on here, but we hate everyone) and, at the other end of the scale, a player diving creates piles of headlines and comment and makes Rooney villain numero uno. Personally when I play I'd much rather someone on the other team dived than tried to remove my head with their elbow at every opportunity.

Agreed although I would suspect that we would be quite fond of Davies if he played for us.

But no he is a dirty git!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:39:02
Agreed although I would suspect that we would be quite fond of Davies if he played for us.

But no he is a dirty git!

No doubt we'd all be singing his name if he played for us, but he doesn't so he's a cunt  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:46:52
Terrible dive, should have been booked for doing so

I was watching the game without sound and presumed that Rooney had been booked for the dive. I was amazed to see a penalty given and a yellow for the keeper!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 12:46:51
Birmingham's owners have put the holding company into receivership  - assuem this is to do with Yeung wanting to put more of his own people on the board and the FL asking questions

I'm guessing that will mean BFC being deducted points wasn't it Jeremy Wray with a consortium that made an offer to buy brum once upon a time


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 12:58:58
Wray was still looking at Brum in Dec 2014/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 13:34:29
I was watching the game without sound and presumed that Rooney had been booked for the dive. I was amazed to see a penalty given and a yellow for the keeper!

You and me both.  I was thinking, someone finally standing up to Rooney and was amazed when I saw him stepping up to take a pen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 13:38:50
it's a shame it's now acceptable as being 'part of the game'.

I even heard of a local u11s team that had half a practice session on how to dive ffs. no idea if this is true I suppose, but if it was my lads team he'd be straight out of there. thankfully both the teams my son has played for try and play hard but fair..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 13:42:58

 the teams my son has played for try and play hard but fair..

You are not Kevin Davies dad are you?

The whole thing was odd, it Rooney hadn't dived he would probably have been taken out by the keeper anyway - but instead he did a swan dive.

BTW has anyone else noticed how much Rooney and Van Gaal look like each other, don't know whether its the unnatural hairline that both have but he really looks like his dad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 13:43:53
it's a shame it's now acceptable as being 'part of the game'.

I even heard of a local u11s team that had half a practice session on how to dive ffs. no idea if this is true I suppose, but if it was my lads team he'd be straight out of there. thankfully both the teams my son has played for try and play hard but fair..

It's not a bad session... If you're a goalkeeper.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 15:33:45
You are not Kevin Davies dad are you?

The whole thing was odd, it Rooney hadn't dived he would probably have been taken out by the keeper anyway - but instead he did a swan dive.

BTW has anyone else noticed how much Rooney and Van Gaal look like each other, don't know whether its the unnatural hairline that both have but he really looks like his dad.

He didn't have to dive. He could have hopped over the keepers legs and stayed on his feet. A goal wasn't on so he went down. If he had been bearing down on the edge of the box with the ball at his feet, a screaming 18 yard shot in his immediate plans and a defender came in at him like the keeper did, he would have jinked the ball forward, hurdled the defenders legs, shot, scored and the overpaid, over opinionated wankers deemed to be pundits, would be getting moist and jizzy about the goal for years to come.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 15:39:26
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sam-wallace-while-premier-league-banks-its-51bn-teams-cant-afford-to-enter-youth-games-10050267.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 10:08:14
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

I know it's a minority, but some of the neanderthals that go and watch our beautiful game really need to have something nasty happen to them.

I would like to see these dozen or so arseholes dropped into a boxing ring/fighting cage with 50 black men who are allowed 1/5 minute/s or so to do their worst/best.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 10:23:56
Quote
Joseph S Blatter ‏@SeppBlatter  2m2 minutes ago
I also condemn the actions of a small group of Chelsea fans in Paris. There is no place for racism in football!

Maybe they should just shake hands, eh Blatter. You senile old cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 18, 2015, 10:31:06
Good quote from the Chelsea fanzine editor on the sheer daftness of these idiots:

"The 2,000 who were in Paris today support a Jewish-owned football team where the majority of players are black and foreign.”


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 19:35:19
Those three must have had bloody loud voices!

Chelsea suspends Paris Metro trio http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31543951


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 20:07:58
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

I know it's a minority, but some of the neanderthals that go and watch our beautiful game really need to have something nasty happen to them.

I would like to see these dozen or so arseholes dropped into a boxing ring/fighting cage with 50 black men who are allowed 1/5 minute/s or so to do their worst/best.

Sounds a bit like the plot to Die hard 3


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 20:29:49
Why does the cunt Rio ferdinand have to get involved?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 20:36:03
Why does the cunt Rio ferdinand have to get involved?!
Because he owns racism


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 20:40:53
I thought that was Sol Campbell and Clarke Carlise?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 20:47:53
I thought that was Sol Campbell and Clarke Carlise?
and Lenny Henry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:24:37
Stupid Sky and their stupid Easter picks. Unbelievable.

Watford v Middlesbrough - Monday 6th April, 12.30pm
Wolves v Leeds - Monday April 6th, 5.15pm
Norwich v Middlesbrough - Friday 17th April, 7.45pm

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That means probably no way to watch the C**y game now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 21:44:07
If it's not on Sky, I wonder if they'll stream it at the club like they did with the Oxford game a few years ago?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 19, 2015, 22:05:55
doubt it, that cost the club money (not having a go).


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, February 22, 2015, 12:45:39
Why does the cunt Rio ferdinand have to get involved?!
To be fair his tweet about john Terry had a point until he lost his nerve and deleted it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 23, 2015, 16:07:51
Our game against the Slave Traders being moved to the Tuesday for fucking Sky. Wankers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, February 23, 2015, 16:12:11
Damned if they show it, damned if they don't.

Personally, if I get a ticket then a midweek clash under the lights beats a Monday afternoon for me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, February 23, 2015, 20:16:42
Our game against the Slave Traders being moved to the Tuesday for fucking Sky. Wankers.

Pleased at that personally :-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 23, 2015, 20:19:39
Our game against the Slave Traders being moved to the Tuesday for fucking Sky. Wankers.

It means more than 300 (or whatever the allocation is) get to see it.  And it will take some of the edge off the atmosphere - smaller crowd, less drinking before the game.  Works quite nicely for us in some respects.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 11:54:56
 Well it looks like FIFA are saying 2022 WC in Qatar has to be played in Nov/Dec. ....I suppose it will just mean that there'll be a mid season break of a month or so and the season will kick off perhaps a couple of weeks earlier and finish a couple of weeks later.

 I'd like to think we could still play Div 3/4....some teams will lose a few players, but we managed without 2 for a month in Jan, so should carry on as usual.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 12:07:38
I'd like to think we could still play Div 3/4....some teams will lose a few players, but we managed without 2 for a month in Jan, so should carry on as usual.

FIFA will insist that all football will have to be suspended during the WC so not to affect TV audiences.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 12:22:02
This will give the Premier League clubs the excuse they have been waiting for to press again for a mid season break every year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:01:26
I wonder which way we'll be voting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:04:15
Like it matters..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:09:46
Even with the general awfulness of FIFA, it's worth taking time to reflect that the next two world cups are taking place in a country which is currently invading a neighbour and threatening anyone else it feels like, and a country which is literally using slaves to build its stadia, leading to the death of thousands of human beings.

Mind boggling that this isn't losing them corporate support hand over fist. I get corruption, I really do, but I figured there might come a point where even Sepp went "You know what, I don't want to have to explain this one at the Pearly Gates, we'll give it to Australia".

And yet, the biggest outcry is likely to come from having to rearrange some domestic games. Annoying yes, but rather insignificant compared to literally killing people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:13:27
Well said Nemo. "FIFA - making the Premier League look acceptable by comparison since 1992"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:28:30
Did FIFA ever publish that (censored) corruption report?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 13:35:59
I won't be attending either nor will I be paying money towards either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:04:16
Sky Sports wins rights to broadcast Major League Soccer

Would rather they spent more money on lower league games than US shit with overpaid footballers on a last big payday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:09:37
So when the Qatar WC is on will there be no Football League games as well as no PL games?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:11:02
So when the Qatar WC is on will there be no Football League games as well as no PL games?

Correct.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:14:30
That's going to fuck up a huge number of clubs' cashflow.

Anyway, the world will probably have gone to fuck by then - or I'll be rotting in the ground


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:16:18
So when the Qatar WC is on will there be no Football League games as well as no PL games?

Should imagine lower league ones will be on unless you can postpone if have 3 internationals

Tho FIFA may pressurise for all games to be off so they don't lose viewers.
Not sure on time difference but doubt games would clash anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:30:40
Shifting the WC to the winter would 'sort of' solve the climate issue.

So how are they going to deal with the alcohol bans, homophobia, misogyny.......... They can't just ignore these things like they are ignoring the slave labour and what not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:35:08
Should imagine lower league ones will be on unless you can postpone if have 3 internationals

Tho FIFA may pressurise for all games to be off so they don't lose viewers.
Not sure on time difference but doubt games would clash anyway

FIFA are the govening body of world football and they will insist that all professional football closes during the WC.

I believe Qatar are 3 hours ahead of us, so most of the games will kick off early afternoon/evening UK time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:38:18
So how are they going to deal with the alcohol bans, homophobia, misogyny.......... They can't just ignore these things like they are ignoring the slave labour and what not.

Qatar will have to allow the stadia to sell alcohol of the 'FIFA approved beer', like Brazil had to do for last year, as their government has previously banned selling alcohol in stadia.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:47:48
Qatar will have to allow the stadia to sell alcohol of the 'FIFA approved beer', like Brazil had to do for last year, as their government has previously banned selling alcohol in stadia.

It's more the culture clash that I'm getting at.

One can buy alcohol and stuff in Qatar and women are not expected to wear a tent etc. But they are expected to behave 'moderately'.

Football fans (men and women), in a hot climate, having a laugh, watching football, behaving 'moderately'....... There's not a fucking chance of that happening. Clashes are inevitable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 20:48:18
The way things are, who would really want to go to an Arab country for a high profile event.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 21:30:37
FIFA are the govening body of world football and they will insist that all professional football closes during the WC.

That's going to be a fun 5 or 6 weeks then, esp if England don't qualify which I would think is a fair shout the way things are.

Good opportunity to visit a few local non-league grounds then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 22:02:52
Even with the general awfulness of FIFA, it's worth taking time to reflect that the next two world cups are taking place in a country which is currently invading a neighbour and threatening anyone else it feels like, and a country which is literally using slaves to build its stadia, leading to the death of thousands of human beings.

Mind boggling that this isn't losing them corporate support hand over fist. I get corruption, I really do, but I figured there might come a point where even Sepp went "You know what, I don't want to have to explain this one at the Pearly Gates, we'll give it to Australia".

And yet, the biggest outcry is likely to come from having to rearrange some domestic games. Annoying yes, but rather insignificant compared to literally killing people.

Hit the fucking nail on the head there, Nemo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 22:45:28
Blatter ain't going to no Pearly Gates, that fucker's going straight to Hell.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 22:48:25
Oh dear.....Premier league getting fucked over by a greater power.

Boots on the other foot after you fucked us all over in the early 90s.

I won't lose any sleep over it.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 23:39:53
Even with the general awfulness of FIFA, it's worth taking time to reflect that the next two world cups are taking place in a country which is currently invading a neighbour and threatening anyone else it feels like, and a country which is literally using slaves to build its stadia, leading to the death of thousands of human beings.

Mind boggling that this isn't losing them corporate support hand over fist. I get corruption, I really do, but I figured there might come a point where even Sepp went "You know what, I don't want to have to explain this one at the Pearly Gates, we'll give it to Australia".

And yet, the biggest outcry is likely to come from having to rearrange some domestic games. Annoying yes, but rather insignificant compared to literally killing people.

It is rather shameful that of all the objections to Qatar 2022 - the deaths of 1000s of immigrant labour seems to have been relegated further down the list in terms of importance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 08:32:36
So, during 2022 world cup all domestic league matches will have to be postponed (probably) to prevent clashes. For what time frame? 8 weeks?

That means that the 2022-23 season will finish 8 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2023-24 season start will need to be delayed by what, 6 weeks?

That means the 2023-24 season will finish 6 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2024-25 season start  will need to be delayed by what, 4 weeks/

Etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 08:35:45
So, during 2022 world cup all domestic league matches will have to be postponed (probably) to prevent clashes. For what time frame? 8 weeks?

That means that the 2022-23 season will finish 8 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2023-24 season start will need to be delayed by what, 6 weeks?

That means the 2023-24 season will finish 6 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2024-25 season start  will need to be delayed by what, 4 weeks/

Etc.
This is probably fairly true, all it proves in the long run is that bribery and corruption works at FIFA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:05:21
There has been no mention of the Football League being affected, so games should carry on as normal. Though I guess The Championship might have to have a break due to the players lost, possibly some League One games as well.

This could actually be a good thing for lower league clubs, no other domestic football for people to watch so higher attendances and maybe some extra money from Sky.

I'm still not convinced it will go ahead in the winter, potential for a lot of legal action.

Fair play to FIFA though, just when you think they can't get any worse they pull this out of the bag.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:09:16
I'm still not 100% convinced it will go ahead in Catarrh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:10:25
We may be in the prem by then  :naughty:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:12:25
There has been no mention of the Football League being affected, so games should carry on as normal. Though I guess The Championship might have to have a break due to the players lost, possibly some League One games as well.

I've seen it briefly mentioned on a few articles that the FL will have to close as well, as people have mentioned that it's all well and good for the PL clubs but lower clubs in the FL could struggle.

The likelihood is that the 2022-23 season, will start mid-July, and finish mid-June with the play-offs...an 11 month season !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:37:17
I've seen it briefly mentioned on a few articles that the FL will have to close as well, as people have mentioned that it's all well and good for the PL clubs but lower clubs in the FL could struggle.
Never mind struggle, losing revenue for 2 months mid-season like that could see a few go bust. But then what would FIFA care about that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 09:50:06
fucking circus


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 10:51:58
Sepp looks like a child toucher


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 12:17:53
So, during 2022 world cup all domestic league matches will have to be postponed (probably) to prevent clashes. For what time frame? 8 weeks?

That means that the 2022-23 season will finish 8 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2023-24 season start will need to be delayed by what, 6 weeks?

That means the 2023-24 season will finish 6 weeks late.

To allow the players a reasonable recovery break and a reasonable pre season, the 2024-25 season start  will need to be delayed by what, 4 weeks/

Etc.

I think they were looking at the 2022/23 season starting a month early and finishing a month later to even it out

Either way an 8 week period in the middle of the season will severely fuck some clubs cash flow


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 13:32:41
Shifting the WC to the winter would 'sort of' solve the climate issue.

So how are they going to deal with the alcohol bans, homophobia, misogyny.......... They can't just ignore these things like they are ignoring the slave labour and what not.

Although even at that time of the year is still a few degrees hotter than Brazil was and everyone in football was banging on about that being wrong!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 26, 2015, 13:34:49
Never mind struggle, losing revenue for 2 months mid-season like that could see a few go bust. But then what would FIFA care about that?

The stupid thing (which will personify everything which is wrong with FIFA, football etc is that I can see this being challenged not because it will fuck up some lower league teams (I suspect across Europe, not just UK) but because it will affect some of the big boys a little losing players!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 12:11:28
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 12:14:18
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Have that ya bastard!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 12:34:45
That's so last week, have you got a vine of The Dress :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 13:01:13
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)

Nothing wrong with that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 13:03:45
The games gone soft.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 14:31:10
Let 'im know you're there, son


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 14:37:56
Crikey. https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB (https://vine.co/v/OQhh17a5zPB)
1. its last weeks news
2. its more a german suplex than a body slam


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 15:00:08
1. its last weeks news
2. its more a german suplex than a body slam

1. I know but I hadn't seen it posted on here so I didn't automatically assume, like you kings of the internet, that everyone had already seen it.

2. At least it's football-related and didn't need a thread of its own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 15:17:17
That's so last week, have you got a vine of The Dress :)

horrible gold & black striped shirt Stockport have these days


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 19:31:16
Every time I see this thread the first thing that springs to mind is "Franchise FC".

I can't think of anything that is worse for football than that bunch of cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, February 28, 2015, 22:01:51
Every time I see this thread the first thing that springs to mind is "Franchise FC".

I can't think of anything that is worse for football than that bunch of cunts

We could probably wrap up this thread with the mention of Franchise, the sound of a drummer and a picture of Sepp Blatter.

Wouldn't be quite as fun though  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, March 1, 2015, 12:13:30
1. its last weeks news
2. its more a german suplex than a body slam

Still worth watching again though, I'm with the guy who did the slam, that was a horrendous tackle on him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 2, 2015, 15:56:02
Lots of twitter rumours that the Football League has voted to allow Prem B teams to play in the JPT.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 2, 2015, 16:30:24
Lots of twitter rumours that the Football League has voted to allow Prem B teams to play in the JPT.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2975814/Premier-League-B-teams-enter-Johnstone-s-Paint-Trophy-Football-League-clubs-vote-favour-concept.html

There comes a point where we have to fight back...


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 3, 2015, 18:11:10
Ashley fined for Rangers influence http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31714103

Finally an FA grows some balls and hits an owner where it hurts, that  £7,500 fine is going to hurt Ashley and make him think twice in the future.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015, 18:13:57
But the alternative to Ashley apparently has multiple convictions with the Nomad resigning rather than working with him leading to share suspension...

Rangers share trading suspended http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31735778


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 5, 2015, 11:57:37
http://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/mar/05/david-squires-on-the-2022-qatar-world-cup-cartoon

Everyone's favourite David Squires on the Qatar World Cup. Terrific stuff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 5, 2015, 12:47:12
http://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2015/mar/05/david-squires-on-the-2022-qatar-world-cup-cartoon

Everyone's favourite David Squires on the Qatar World Cup. Terrific stuff.

Dat 5th pane!! OMG hahahahah


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 5, 2015, 14:12:25
That's good :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 18:54:52
https://vine.co/v/OEiEnEbqzz6

Sako Sending off.  Not a great moment for the player falling over.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 19:51:04
https://vine.co/v/OEiEnEbqzz6

Sako Sending off.  Not a great moment for the player falling over.


Jesus wept, he has to be banned for that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 20:53:30
The ugly face of football violence

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/11841116.Ugly_scenes_of_violence_mars_Highworth_s_FA_Vase_win/?ref=mr


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 21:17:00
 Dirty norvern bastards.....nothing changes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, March 7, 2015, 21:21:52
The ugly face of football violence

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/11841116.Ugly_scenes_of_violence_mars_Highworth_s_FA_Vase_win/?ref=mr

I see your ugly face of football

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/villa%20fan_zpsrvshujaw.jpg)

And raise you a WTF one

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/leeds%20dog_zpscvcs4ig7.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, March 16, 2015, 18:50:59

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31913338


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 16, 2015, 19:10:30
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31913338
They could have done with a longer sheet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 16, 2015, 19:40:27
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31913338

Quote
In its judgment, the panel found that the original ruling had placed too much weight on objections from supporters.

Yeah, why would the FA ever want to take any notice of those annoying wankers and their non-corporate agendas?

This, in a sentence, sums up what's wrong with football.  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 23, 2015, 19:53:03
 Dyke waffling on again about English football.....he's trying to stop non EU players coming here, to the perceived detriment of home grown players.  It's not that which annoys, but his example of Harry Kane....according to him, Kane, only got a chance, because of Sherwood...."he'd still be on loan at Millwall otherwise".....no acknowledgement that maybe Kane's half a season at The Den, scoring 9 goals as a 19 year old might have aided his development.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 23, 2015, 20:05:40
."he'd still be on loan at Millwall otherwise"....

Wait, so lumping English players in lower league B teams wouldn't work then. What a fucking shock.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 23, 2015, 21:17:30
Dyke waffling on again about English football.....he's trying to stop non EU players coming here, to the perceived detriment of home grown players.  It's not that which annoys, but his example of Harry Kane....according to him, Kane, only got a chance, because of Sherwood...."he'd still be on loan at Millwall otherwise".....no acknowledgement that maybe Kane's half a season at The Den, scoring 9 goals as a 19 year old might have aided his development.

And he's wrong, he can't "stop" non-EU players...

For example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, March 23, 2015, 21:38:34
And he's wrong, he can't "stop" non-EU players...

For example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling

If you read the whole article it appears the EU over turned that ruling, for some regions (including Africa) at least....

Quote
n 2008, the EU changed its reading of the Cotonou Agreement (the Association Agreement between the EU and the ACP countries).[6] It now stated that the Cotonou agreement should not be interpreted as mandating free movement of labour, but rather the free trade of goods and services. The Home Office were subsequently able to introduce new rules placing restrictions on Kolpak players, stating that only those who had held a valid work permit for four years had the right to be treated the same as EU citizens.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 23, 2015, 22:31:16
Yes, but with the passing of the Lisbon Treaty (2009) that is currently being challenged in the ECJ, which almost certainly will overturn that in the spirit of the Simutenkov judgement.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2015, 22:40:25
Yes, but with the passing of the Lisbon Treaty (2009) that is currently being challenged in the ECJ, which almost certainly will overturn that in the spirit of the Simutenkov judgement.
Mornington Crescent!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 23, 2015, 22:46:17
Mornington Crescent!!

No, no, that's an illegal move, you have to go via Blackfriars or take the DLR - but we know what happened to the last person who tried that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, March 23, 2015, 23:14:04
No, no, that's an illegal move, you have to go via Blackfriars or take the DLR - but we know what happened to the last person who tried that.

Jesus, I've seen some maverick playing in my time but take the DLR?! That is either true madness or utter genius.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 23, 2015, 23:20:04
No, no, that's an illegal move, you have to go via Blackfriars or take the DLR - but we know what happened to the last person who tried that.
Oh, do keep up
in the spirit of the Simutenkov judgement.
which we all know amends the Popplethwaite convention to not only make my daring dash quite permissible but your suggestion of the DLR not only out of bounds, but, I'd suggest, tantamount to immoral!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 01:06:22
Oh, do keep upwhich we all know amends the Popplethwaite convention to not only make my daring dash quite permissible but your suggestion of the DLR not only out of bounds, but, I'd suggest, tantamount to immoral!


Gentlemen please, let us keep this civil in honor of the game.

pauld you really should know that the Simutenkov Judgement is only really applicable when West of Tower Bridge. I don't think it's an entirely legal move unfortunately.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 05:28:10
Cockfosters.

Fucking amatuers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 08:04:57
Gentlemen please, let us keep this civil in honor of the game.

pauld you really should know that the Simutenkov Judgement is only really applicable when West of Tower Bridge. I don't think it's an entirely legal move unfortunately.
You're right of course, I think in my excitement I got carried away. Damn. Waterloo, then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 08:33:46
Morningt…

Morning TEF.  :bye:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 10:44:04
ofcom are asking for views on premier league football on TV. Virgin are pushing for MORE TV games, and one of the ways of achieving that would be 3pm Saturday kick offs...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 13:09:14
(Half-) listening to 5 Live last night with Dyke, Claridge, Savage et al, made me just think that the FA and PL have spectacularly failed in all ways - 'grass roots' football, lower league football, England, English players, coaching, refereeing, technology, owners etc etc.

Time to start again from scratch.

One football authority.
One professional league with five divisions.
Equal promotion and relegation between all.
One Saturday cup competition. One mid-week cup competition.

TV money to update stadiums, training facilities, community pitches.
No TV technology to determine decisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ReadingRed on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 13:20:32
Listened to BBC Berks this morning.
Reading's Wembley semi-final tickets have just gone on sale and the presenter was advising people what seats they should buy if they wanted to be "near the drummer"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 13:25:29
Listened to BBC Berks this morning.
Reading's Wembley semi-final tickets have just gone on sale and the presenter was advising people what seats they should buy if they didn't want to be "near the drummer"
Closer to the mark.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 08:37:29
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32073525

Shambles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 09:24:56
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/29/1277806591960/Sepp-blatter-006.jpg)

No further comment required  :no:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 09:36:40
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/29/1277806591960/Sepp-blatter-006.jpg)

No further comment required  :no:

/thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 12:45:36
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32073525

Shambles.

Exactly the same will happen with the stadiums buiit in Qatar and, a lesser degree, in Russia.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:21:39

No further comment required  :no:

Actually to be accurate, it's more a case of..

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/29/1277806591960/Sepp-blatter-006.jpg)

plus

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSaece5GoJRC5UKtfOyoOY2gdoAu_QNK1SiZc_JWMDtWJA5AdSB)

plus

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcHSyuubperU8SALBjdjw7Qr0GG68amcko7bmSo1X5FLr4Jt6V)

plus

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1012/360_world_cup_5_1202.jpg)

Yep, I think that just about covers all eventualities.

Oh yes, how I could I forget - one more...

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6v7Q_S95pIeYN_JOrgspR9nWJ_XlAUcfg9lON50xuXXBpNcfW)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:28:55
And this....

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Steve-Lansdown-wipes-pound-35-million-debt/story-20425643-detail/story.html

Teams at our (or any level) should not be able to run with annual debts of between £9.5m and £15m per year for the last 6 consecutive years with no penalties, effectively cheating the FFP rules.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:46:20
FFP rules in the Championship restricts debt to £3m, with an additional £5m shareholder investment (which includes injecting equity to replace operating debt).

The 82ers failed miserably to achieve that in the past few seasons, so it will be interesting to see what happens if they go up.

BTW, Chelsea are £948m in debt. Don't know how they manage to get around that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:55:52
FFP rules in the Championship restricts debt to £3m, with an additional £5m shareholder investment (which includes injecting equity to replace operating debt).

The 82ers failed miserably to achieve that in the past few seasons, so it will be interesting to see what happens if they go up.

BTW, Chelsea are £948m in debt. Don't know how they manage to get around that.

They'll probably get a 50k fine or something.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:56:35
That'll show 'em!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 13:57:15
And this....

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Steve-Lansdown-wipes-pound-35-million-debt/story-20425643-detail/story.html

Teams at our (or any level) should not be able to run with annual debts of between £9.5m and £15m per year for the last 6 consecutive years with no penalties, effectively cheating the FFP rules.
You obviously haven't understood. We are the cheats because we "bought" the League 2 title under Di Canio and "spent money we didn't have".

It's strange, isn't it, that alot of fans (and managers) of other clubs were always having a pop at us when we had Black as our benefactor, spending a bit more than we have been able to do in the past, yet the 82ers, and practically every other club from the Championship upwards (as well as a few more in this league), have been doing it for years without drawing a negative comment. We've even had managers have a dig at us the last couple of years because we've got a few loan players and are trying to keep our budget under control.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:14:33
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:20:23
The whole Franchise thing still stinks. How they got away with what they did leaves a bitter taste. Reborn? What a fucking cheek. They stole a football club for Christ's sake.
I wish them nothing but failure. They are the only club I'd like to see go to the wall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 14:33:17
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)

Bring back hanging, that's all I have to say.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 15:03:15
That image sickens me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 15:04:54
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)

What a cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 15:09:57
Bring back hanging, that's all I have to say.

For the makers, designers and anyone who bought one.

Plastic cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Sunday, March 29, 2015, 17:11:50
Oh dear...just came across this completely at random. What an utter cunt...

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)
That's the banner that should be made for the tv game, with 'SHAME!' emblazoned at the bottom.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, March 30, 2015, 11:48:34
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 30, 2015, 11:59:33
"A white manager loses his job and gets another job, he loses his job, he gets another job," Barnes said.

I'm just not sure that's quite accurate, lots of first time managers that get sacked never get another job (and very few of them got a club as big as Celtic off no managerial experience, John). That said, there's certainly a degree of the old boys network in some of the managers that get jobs over and over again, which might indirectly affect black candidates.

Mind you, Chris Hughton has had four managerial jobs and has been sacked from the first three.  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 30, 2015, 12:01:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.

I was thinking something simular, still bleating on, it is only the shit black managers that claim to be discriminated against


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 30, 2015, 12:06:49
There are definitely managers who are in the 'how the hell has he got another managers job' category, and some are white. Its a bit of a leap to say its because they are white though.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 30, 2015, 12:51:50

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/27/article-2239203-16319C00000005DC-942_468x286.jpg)

I wonder when he started his support?   :sherlock:

The thread may as well be closed now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, March 30, 2015, 17:55:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.
And of course the article goes on to talk about the 'Rooney Rule' in the NFL which is self-defeating bollocks in my opinion. The Rooney Rule states that Clubs have to interview at least one black candidate for every Head Coach vacancy. This is inherently racist and just as bad as not employing a black Coach specifically because he is black.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:07:09
Quotas never work - even with best of intentions.

No matter who applies for a manager's job the club will, or at least should, pick who they believe is best for the job.

I don't believe for a minute that if there was an outstanding black candidate the club would choose not to appoint him.

I have nothing to back this up, but I reckon there are very few black candidates anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:11:41
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32112666

Its because you're a shit manager, John. Race card playing fuckwit.

I think he should read this interview with Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink :


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3017221/Louis-van-Gaal-special-bond-says-Jimmy-Floyd-Hasselbaink.html

And then try and dig out some highlights from his time at Celtic and Tranmere.

The supporters of those two clubs probably say that their highlight is the day he got the sack...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:14:29
Quotas never work - even with best of intentions.

No matter who applies for a manager's job the club will, or at least should, pick who they believe is best for the job.

I don't believe for a minute that if there was an outstanding black candidate the club would choose not to appoint him.

I have nothing to back this up, but I reckon there are very few black candidates anyway.

But why are there so few black candidates?  I can't believe its because black players don't want to be managers and white players do.  Nor can I believe that white people make better managers than black people.  I can only therefore conclude that there is something - and I don't know what - either cultural or systematic - that is stopping it.  The Rooney Rule is a flawed, but I think well intentioned - way to try to tackle this.  We need to keep working to identify why this inequality exists - or alternatively just allow it to continue.  I know which I prefer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Baggins on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:15:20
And apologies - the grammar in that last post is awful.  I'm tired.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OrangeTransits on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:42:59
But why are there so few black candidates?  

Here are some figures that explain the Answer.

Firstly 2011 Race Census Figures.

Ethnic group   2011 population   2011%
White: Total   55,010,359   87.1
Gypsy/Traveller/ Irish Traveller: Total   63,193   0.1
Asian or Asian British: Indian   1,451,862   2.3
Asian or Asian British: Pakistani   1,174,983   1.9
Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi   451,529   0.7
Asian or Asian British: Chinese   433,150   0.7
Asian or Asian British: Other Asian   861,815   1.4
Asian or Asian British: Total   4,373,339   6.9
Black or Black British: Total   1,904,684   3.0
Mixed Multiple: Total   1,250,229   2.0
Other Ethnic Group: Total   580,374   0.9
Total   63,182,178   100


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OrangeTransits on Monday, March 30, 2015, 18:45:33
So 3% of population of UK Black / Black British.

Out of 92 Clubs there are 2 black I think.

1 more and there will be 3%+ Black Managers. 2 More and there will be over 4%.

Will people be shouting there are 2 many black managers if that happens. Probably not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, March 30, 2015, 19:56:46
So 3% of population of UK Black / Black British.

Out of 92 Clubs there are 2 black I think.

1 more and there will be 3%+ Black Managers. 2 More and there will be over 4%.

Will people be shouting there are 2 many black managers if that happens. Probably not.
But black professional footballers in England must be a lot greater than 3% of the total. Assuming that most coaches / managers are former professional players, then the number of current black coaches / managers is probably way down on what could be expected.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 30, 2015, 20:24:18
But black professional footballers in England must be a lot greater than 3% of the total. Assuming that most coaches / managers are former professional players, then the number of current black coaches / managers is probably way down on what could be expected.
What percentage of white British ex footballer's are professional managers?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 30, 2015, 20:35:05
Percentages are ridiculous, it's not like there should be a quota of who does what.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 30, 2015, 20:40:22
Percentages are ridiculous, it's not like there should be a quota of who does what.
What percentage of posters think that percentages are ridiculous?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, March 30, 2015, 20:56:13
Depends what percentage anewer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 21:37:13
The program those quotes come from is currently on ITV4. He has spent half of it bleating on about racism and it hasn't got as far as his management career yet


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 21:56:01
Not watching it. Who has been racist to him?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 22:13:29
Football and society as a whole.

Fair enough on the basis of the abuse he receivced while playing but fuck me he knows how to milk the victim role


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 22:16:02
Not watching it. Who has been racist to him?

Not watching, but the bananas thrown at him in the 80's weren't great.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 31, 2015, 22:39:37
I've been the victim of racism, and it's shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 06:27:00
I've been the victim of racism, and it's shit.

So you're saying racism....is a bad thing??  :jawdrop:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 11:49:01
Bolton...Debt increases to £172.9m...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32138946


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 11:50:02
Bolton...Debt increases to £172.9m...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32138946

Cheats.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:01:07
Bolton...Debt increases to £172.9m...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32138946
Just how much do you have to owe to fail the financial fair play rules? Fucking hilarious


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:07:18
Bolton are a big club with a nice newish ground and in the Championship yet still ran up smaller (half a million less) yearly operating debts that the 82ers did last season...yet thier fans STILL think they are not spending much on players and wages.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:16:59
Just how much do you have to owe to fail the financial fair play rules? Fucking hilarious

Don't think it covers total debt at all to my knowledge, only yearly losses.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:18:49
Looks to me that they've done a pretty damn good job reducing debts by £41m in a single year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:23:39
Looks to me that they've done a pretty damn good job reducing debts by £41m in a single year.

Reducing new debts.

They lost 50m last year, 9m this year. Clearly an improvement, but they're still losing £9m per year and have a total debt of approximately 15 times that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 12:29:38
Reducing new debts.

They lost 50m last year, 9m this year. Clearly an improvement, but they're still losing £9m per year and have a total debt of approximately 15 times that.

Decent step in the right direction. Should improve again next year if they offload more old contracts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:10:38
This is just weird!

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/720243-former-leeds-united-md-lodges-human-trafficking-case-from-dubai-prison.html?news_section=54011


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 1, 2015, 13:55:04
Decent step in the right direction. Should improve again next year if they offload more old contracts.

Maybe they should just offload Gartside...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 4, 2015, 07:30:06
Bournemouth paying Kenwyne Jones 36k a week 👀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, April 4, 2015, 17:12:58
Football clubs allowing drums in grounds...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 13:21:31
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher  :eek:

Nothing conclusive, yet still pretty damning stuff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 13:31:55
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher  :eek:

Nothing conclusive, yet still pretty damning stuff.
Thats fucking shocking if indeed is true.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 19:12:53
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040467/Sol-Campbell-stars-white-hard-hitting-campaign-black-Britons-voting.html



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 15, 2015, 19:23:24
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040467/Sol-Campbell-stars-white-hard-hitting-campaign-black-Britons-voting.html



Pfft. 30 Rock did this ages ago...

(http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/30-rock-season-1-19-corporate-crush-thomas-jefferson-movie-tracy-morgan.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 07:34:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31970841

It's not the colour of your skin, it's because you are not good enough.

I understand Racism does still exist unfortunately, but not as much as it used to.

End of the day, if you are good enough to manage England then you will.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 07:40:11
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040467/Sol-Campbell-stars-white-hard-hitting-campaign-black-Britons-voting.html



Surely choosing to vote or not is a personal issue, an advertising campaign wouldn't get me to change my mind. I personally have little faith in politics.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 07:50:18
Saying that, no wonder Iain Dowie never got another management job...
https://vine.co/v/euQLUieFUvw?utm_source=Mr+Hyde&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5574527_MH+160415


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 08:08:07
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31970841

It's not the colour of your skin, it's because you are not good enough.

I understand Racism does still exist unfortunately, but not as much as it used to.

End of the day, if you are good enough to manage England then you will.
Brian Clough


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 09:15:16
Another biting story, but this time a lower-league player.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32327506 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32327506)

What's so wrong about this for me though isn't the biting itself (dreadful though that is etc.) but that the Dag & Red player gets a six-month ban for a second offence, which at that end of the FL might end his professional career, while "banker" Luis Suarez got 7 games, then 10 games, then 4 months for his third offence. It's the apparently make-it-up-as-you-go-along random decision-making processes that enrage fans so much.

Is it really beyond the collective wit of the FL, the FA, UEFA or even FIFA to put together a rulebook with consistent and transparent penalties to fit each crime, plus or minus mitigating/aggravating circumstances?

You know, like proper legal systems do?  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 09:22:47
This geezer aint a superstar though. There is your answer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 09:26:18
This geezer aint a superstar though. There is your answer

Precisely what's wrong with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 09:39:45
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31970841

It's not the colour of your skin, it's because you are not good enough.

I understand Racism does still exist unfortunately, but not as much as it used to.

End of the day, if you are good enough to manage England then you will.

The thing that gets me, is that about 87% of the UK is white. If you take that into consideration, the figures really aren't as damning as everyone likes to make out.

I really can't believe that any chairman would overlook a qualified black manager in favour of a white one, and I think it would be wrong (and in fact, even more racist) to choose a candidate BECAUSE they are black. It's an insult to the candidate. It's a results driven business with severe financial consequences, the best choice must always be made.

I'm not saying racism doesnt exist, it clearly does, but I wish people would stop making an issue out of something that isn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 16, 2015, 09:48:48
Quote
John Barnes says black managers don't get many second chances

Except you did, didn't you John.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 17, 2015, 06:47:10
Blatter likened to Jesus & Mandela http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32342080


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2015, 07:05:02
The thing that gets me, is that about 87% of the UK is white.
But over 25% of professional footballers are black. And that doesn't translate anywhere near into 25% of professional managers/coaches. Not saying that's solely because of racism but if you're going to throw figures around, at least use (slightly more) relevant ones.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 17, 2015, 07:13:03
But over 25% of professional footballers are black. And that doesn't translate anywhere near into 25% of professional managers/coaches. Not saying that's solely because of racism but if you're going to throw figures around, at least use (slightly more) relevant ones.

How many of those are foreign nationals who go on to remain in Britain after their playing careers? Stats can mean anything you want.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2015, 07:25:16
How many of those are foreign nationals who go on to remain in Britain after their playing careers? Stats can mean anything you want.
I know, that was (kind of) my point. Throwing a "FACT!" into a discussion without the relevant context blurs rather than clarifies. And you're right, btw, whether those players wish to pursue a coaching career in England is a very relevant part of the context as will be a host of other factors, many of which will be overlooked until this is investigated and discussed properly. Which it isn't at the moment as it's just a polarised debate being characterised as the John Barnes/Sol Campbell whinging on the one hand  vs the "Shut up whinging, you're just shit and there's no problem with racism any more" ostriches with their heads in the sand and their fingers in the ear on the other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 17, 2015, 08:23:27
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 08:40:05
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?
Careful, when I said exactly the same thing Ref Frog called me a racist.

I personally think its not racism its ability, but thats just me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, April 17, 2015, 08:40:32
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?

In a world where people like Sepp Blatter are in charge of Football's largest governing body, I don't think it's ridiculous to count it out.

Blatter likened to Jesus & Mandela http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32342080
(http://i.giphy.com/iQEOg3zGJBXLa.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2015, 09:02:17
Why does this alleged racism not apply to Chris Hughton? It's almost as if his race has nothing to do with it, but rather he gets jobs because he's good at his job. Fancy that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 17, 2015, 10:00:51
Do you genuinely believe that institutional racism is preventing black managers getting jobs?
I have no idea. As I've made quite clear, I don't think the whole issue has been properly investigated well enough to allow a discussion to even take place. Mainly because it keeps getting framed in questions like this. Tbh, I suspect that the whole way football recruits is more at issue than racism per se (although there probably are individual cases of racial prejudice), as it's still way too much based on an Old Boy Network and "who you know".

A better question than looking at how many black players become managers would be how many become coaches, because that's the pathway. Is the pathway blocked at player-> coaches or coaches-> managers? And if so, in either case, why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Friday, April 17, 2015, 10:10:49
Based on no evidence at all I suspect that football is no more racist than society in general and just like society, there is racism. I find it difficult to believe that it is as prevalent as some are suggesting.

That is my ill informed opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, April 17, 2015, 11:27:40
Based on no evidence at all I suspect that football is no more racist than society in general and just like society, there is racism. I find it difficult to believe that it is as prevalent as some are suggesting.

That is my ill informed opinion.
I concur with your ill informed opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 11:29:20
I concur with your ill informed opinion.
I concur with your concurred opinion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, April 17, 2015, 12:06:55
I also concur.

I do wonder how many actually go on to get their badges though. And besides, there's a reason why Barnes and Ince don't get jobs, they're moaning shit cunts who're proven to be fucking crap.

I believe racism exists, but I also believe the colour of someone's skin wouldn't stop them becoming a manager. I think a lot of chairman would employ a disabled Nigerian lesbian openly known to have dabbled in a spot of murder and rape if it got his team promoted into "The Best League in the World™".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 17, 2015, 12:58:17
Conkers - do people still play that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:06:21
Careful, when I said exactly the same thing Ref Frog called me a racist.

I personally think its not racism its ability, but thats just me.

Well, I don't want to do this whole debate again, since I thought we'd done it to death last time,
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217)
but I'm still uncomfortable with your (repeated) assertion that black footballers are only being denied jobs in management because only a very few have the ability. At best, from the regular insights we're given into the mentality of the football establishment, I'd say it's possible there is some racism involved.

What intrigues me more is why everyone always seems so keen to defend the consistently reputable, upstanding football establishment against these repeated claims of racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:13:33
Well, I don't want to do this whole debate again, since I thought we'd done it to death last time,
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217)
but I'm still uncomfortable with your (repeated) assertion that black footballers are only being denied jobs in management because only a very few have the ability. At best, from the regular insights we're given into the mentality of the football establishment, I'd say it's possible there is some racism involved.
So by me suggesting that very few have the ability to manage is me being a racist...ok then good reasoning.

I think very few WHITE ex footballers make good managers does that also make me racist against white people? I will never forget you calling me a racist even if you wish to brush it under the carpet. I am far from racist and do not take kindly to you calling me one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:19:54

What intrigues me more is why everyone always seems so keen to defend the consistently reputable, upstanding football establishment against these repeated claims of racism.

Perhaps, maybe, because the claims appear to be bullshit?

Can you name a single out of work black manager that should be in a job? If not, do you not think that perhaps, maybe, their race has nothing to do with it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:21:52
So by me suggesting that very few have the ability to manage is me being a racist...ok then good reasoning.

I think very few WHITE ex footballers make good managers does that also make me racist against white people? I will never forget you calling me a racist even if you wish to brush it under the carpet. I am far from racist and do not take kindly to you calling me one.

Racism is a complex issue....it's entirely possible to be racist without realising, and without intention.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:34:12
Racism is a complex issue....it's entirely possible to be racist without realising, and without intention.
That is true and also racism can be accused simply by how people interpret things in their own mind.

Perhaps, maybe, because the claims appear to be bullshit?

Can you name a single out of work black manager that should be in a job? If not, do you not think that perhaps, maybe, their race has nothing to do with it?
This is how I feel also, a shit manager is a shit manager no matter what his race.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:34:27
Perhaps, maybe, because the claims appear to be bullshit?

Can you name a single out of work black manager that should be in a job? If not, do you not think that perhaps, maybe, their race has nothing to do with it?

OK, I'll be offline after this, and I knew I probably shouldn't have bitten again, so very quickly:

I don't think the problem is at the level of an out-of-work black manager - there aren't very many to choose from, but if they've been given their chance, that proves that someone hasn't been racist in appointing them, and the good ones will get more chances (as Barry says, clubs will overlook anything if they think they'll get success).

The issue seems to be lower down. I have read that the problem is in how few black players take and get through their badges, and I just won't accept that's because they're collectively less able.

I just don't understand why everyone gets so up-in-arms whenever a black player even raises this issue. I must have much less confidence than you do in football people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:37:12
So by me suggesting that very few have the ability to manage is me being a racist...ok then good reasoning.

I think very few WHITE ex footballers make good managers does that also make me racist against white people? I will never forget you calling me a racist even if you wish to brush it under the carpet. I am far from racist and do not take kindly to you calling me one.

I thought I was addressing it, rather than brushing it under the carpet. Don't suppose it will make a difference to you, but I said I thought your underlying assumption was racist. Not you as a person, who I'm not qualified to judge. We all make slips.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:39:07
The issue seems to be lower down. I have read that the problem is in how few black players take and get through their badges, and I just won't accept that's because they're collectively less able.
Nobody has suggest that they are COLLECTIVELY less able, that came from in your interpretation of the statements, its just that often the ones that shout the loudest about being victimized (Ince, Barnes etc) are INDIVIDUALLY less able.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:39:49


I just don't understand why everyone gets so up-in-arms whenever a black player even raises this issue. I must have much less confidence than you do in football people

We don't get up in arms, we just call call bullshit.

We hear racism this and racism that and even get criticised for not getting objecting about alleged racism in football, yet nobody can give an example of when it has actually happened. Why should people believe in something and even act upon anything when it can even be shown that it is actually a problem?

If people want others to object to this alleged racism then they should stop waffling and give us something to object to. "Because Sol Campbell/John Barnes says so" just doesn't cut it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:42:52
Surely, it is up to any ex footballer, black or white, if he wants to go for his coaching badges or not.

If people are saying black footballers don't bother because they think 'racism' will prevent them from getting a job afterwards, then I say that's bollocks.

If you don't buy a ticket you can't win the raffle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:43:02
Oh and I think JFH is doing a great job at Burton and he could with a good tail wind be one of the more successful managers of other ethnic backgrounds.

I was a little disappointed that we didn't appoint him when Cooper got the job after he applied as he always came accross as one of the more intelligent and well educated ex footballers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:46:58
Chris Ramsey is an interesting case....he's been around a long time and is clearly a decent coach. I wonder if he's applied for manager's jobs, or just has been happy to do the coaching, the two are not necessarily the same.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 17, 2015, 17:53:41
Rambo is another very educated ex pro and did his due dilligence learning his badges and managing at schoolboy/youth/academy/U21 level to get where he is through hard work.

He has also been coach and assistant manager in various countries (USA and Malta) building up his experience rather than just saying that because he is an ex pro then he has some kind of right of passage to become a manager...it doesn't work like that.

Chris was obviously a man of talent that was spotted fairly early by him being appointed England U20 manager/head coach in 98, he must have shown some ability to those in the know back then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 17, 2015, 18:24:25
Well, I don't want to do this whole debate again, since I thought we'd done it to death last time,
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217 (http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44987.msg1290217#msg1290217)
but I'm still uncomfortable with your (repeated) assertion that black footballers are only being denied jobs in management because only a very few have the ability. At best, from the regular insights we're given into the mentality of the football establishment, I'd say it's possible there is some racism involved.

What intrigues me more is why everyone always seems so keen to defend the consistently reputable, upstanding football establishment against these repeated claims of racism.

Not defending anyone; there is almost certainly some racism going on. I just don't believe it's institutional.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 13:16:02
Not sure this has been posted on here, apologies if it has, but it disgusts me.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/17/blackpool-fan-20000-oystons-threaten-court-online-post


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 13:27:16
I have read that the problem is in how few black players take and get through their badges, and I just won't accept that's because they're collectively less able.
So what do you think is the reason for this then? There is quite literally nothing to stop them doing this apart from the fact that they simply don't want to is there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pete on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 13:42:00
Not sure this has been posted on here, apologies if it has, but it disgusts me.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/17/blackpool-fan-20000-oystons-threaten-court-online-post

That really is a disgrace. I hope the old boy gets the support from his fellow fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 13:43:02
That really is a disgrace. I hope the old boy gets the support from his fellow fans.

it is an utter disgrace....the tans brothers could be in for some hefty fines ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 14:07:58
The club is a joke. Soul being ripped out of it. Less than 4000 have turned up to their games recently, despite what official attendances might tell you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 18, 2015, 15:08:42
it is an utter disgrace....the tans brothers could be in for some hefty fines ;)

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 20, 2015, 05:44:41
Eddie Howe named Football League manager of the decade.

Really?????

Oh and Joe Garner beat Luke Freeman to player of the season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, April 20, 2015, 07:34:58
When is the L1 team of the year announced? Though I'm not sure if anyone but Mass will get in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 20, 2015, 07:47:35
PFA Awards i think


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 20, 2015, 12:54:49
That really is a disgrace. I hope the old boy gets the support from his fellow fans.

He has done - they've raised the full £20k within 3 days:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/20/blackpool-fans-target-20000-legal-fees


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Tuesday, April 21, 2015, 07:15:36
Jordan Henderson likely to get a £100,000-a-week 5-year deal:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32391590


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 28, 2015, 20:09:05
I hope there's a legitimate reason for this. It's cruel otherwise.

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/blackpool-fc/mystery-over-morty-statue-removal-1-7233939


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 10:23:35
Arsenal apparently about to spend the same amount as Ipswich have spent in transfer fees on their entire first team to sign an 11-year old from Luton

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11572845/Arsenal-transfer-news-and-rumours-Gunners-favourites-to-sign-11-year-old-Luton-wonderkid-Charlie-Patino.html

Apart from the whole "big clubs bulldozing everyone else's youth development systems with their chequebooks" aspect, don't imagine the weight of expectation will do the kid any favours either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 10:38:10
The amount of these so called young superkids who ever get near reaching their so called potential is pretty low.

That Norwegian 16 year old on the bench for Real last night will probably be the next Freddy Adu


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 15:43:29
Arsenal have more problems with young players - or more specifically their mothers!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32537420


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 19:14:27
What's wrong with football parents #2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32541415


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 30, 2015, 19:38:19
"They also have a younger sister called Trezeguet after the French player David"

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 2, 2015, 13:35:13
Blackpool.

Final game currently on hold after 48 minutes, as the fans are currently staging a sit down protest.

EDIT : Match now abandoned.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, May 2, 2015, 13:37:03
Blackpool.

Final game currently on hold after 48 minutes, as the fans are currently staging a sit down protest.

EDIT : Match now abandoned.

Loved the bloke in his mobility scooter joining in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Sunday, May 3, 2015, 09:25:50
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/11578118/Football-fans-to-be-breathalysed-before-matches.html

And the FA not bothered - what a surprise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 3, 2015, 09:32:30
According to this, just 4 pints would have stopped me seeing Cambridge United play

http://educalcool.qc.ca/en/facts-tips-and-tools/facts/drinking-driving-making-the-right-choice/#.VUXqtZOz5-U

Yet under John Beck, that would probably be the minimum needed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, May 3, 2015, 09:40:48
Yet under John Beck, that would probably be the minimum needed.
Remember under Hoddle in 91 in the FA cup 4th round, when we went to Cambridge, who at the time were managed by Beck and playing awful dull long ball football, and we played them off the park for a 3-0 win and the Cambridge fans were singing "we want football" after watching our silky passing side play them off the pitch.

It could have been 6-0 to us that day easily except for the Cambridge keeper Vaughan who played a blinder.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 12:13:23
Remember under Hoddle in 91 in the FA cup 4th round, when we went to Cambridge, who at the time were managed by Beck and playing awful dull long ball football, and we played them off the park for a 3-0 win and the Cambridge fans were singing "we want football" after watching our silky passing side play them off the pitch.

It could have been 6-0 to us that day easily except for the Cambridge keeper Vaughan who played a blinder.
One goal scored by a semi-conscious Calderwood.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 12:41:35
Song sheets that are handed out at New York City games.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEJzIjiWoAAtYFn.jpg)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 12:43:36
The lyrics to "NYC Clap" are particularly thoughtful, although they don't quite cover the STI issues that the title raises.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 12:45:43
"But we don't give a crud"

Brilliant!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 12:56:52
**** Songs not included on this list may still be sung during the game ****


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 13:01:58
**** Songs not included on this list may still be sung during the game ****

That's easily the best bit. I'm not quite sure if it's intended to give permission, or to avoid shock if some deviant sings something not on the sheet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pete on Tuesday, May 5, 2015, 16:11:33
Blimey. That song sheet looks like the sort of thing Franchise would do for it's customers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 19:02:43
Dunno if I want our club to succeed at all costs.  Muffs gamble has paid off with the windfall from the new tv deal, but their 15m loss to get from league 1 to championship was followed by 10m loss to stay in the championship.

25m over 2 years with accumulated losses of 30m and 25m of loans from the russian, some of which are at 3%

Be interesting to see this years losses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32611521


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 19:06:28
Very susceptible to political 'incidents' which could cause the Russki to fuck off as quick as Black did.

But faint heart never fucked a pig


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 20:35:04
Dunno if I want our club to succeed at all costs.  Muffs gamble has paid off with the windfall from the new tv deal, but their 15m loss to get from league 1 to championship was followed by 10m loss to stay in the championship.

25m over 2 years with accumulated losses of 30m and 25m of loans from the russian, some of which are at 3%

Be interesting to see this years losses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32611521

All hail plucky little Bournemouth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 20:38:55
I hate all this arse speak, why not just say, "we took a gamble and got promoted"?

"However, the directors are confident that this risk is minimal based on the ongoing commitment from its investors and recent positive developments within the business, which demonstrates the successful outputs resulting from the investment


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 20:39:55
Dunno if I want our club to succeed at all costs.  Muffs gamble has paid off with the windfall from the new tv deal, but their 15m loss to get from league 1 to championship was followed by 10m loss to stay in the championship.

25m over 2 years with accumulated losses of 30m and 25m of loans from the russian, some of which are at 3%

Be interesting to see this years losses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32611521

Be interesting to see if they break FFP for this season, especially when you consider that QPR are supposed to pay a £50m fine to the Football League for them breaking FFP rules when they were last in the FL.

How much were they paying Kenwyne Jones? £35k a week?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 20:41:32
Cardiff were paying him that, Bmuff would have paid a not inconsiderable percentage though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 05:31:40
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32611521

But its a fairytale right, i know they'll get tv rights so that loss wont be noticed.

I so hope those cunts go bust eventually, wankers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 07:37:57
I've a hunch that their Russian is going to do a Karl Oyston.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 07:39:00
I've a hunch that their Russian is going to do a Karl Oyston.

That'll take some beating.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 09:22:32
fingers crossed, fucking despise that club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, May 7, 2015, 13:11:43
Football fans just love to hate  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 11, 2015, 13:02:08
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32689097

Just pleased this isn't us, with our record with the FA we would be looking at the ground being closed for 6 months and demotion to division 4!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 11, 2015, 13:36:42
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32689097

Just pleased this isn't us, with our record with the FA we would be looking at the ground being closed for 6 months and demotion to division 4!

I wonder if it was PNEThor?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, May 18, 2015, 23:54:17
Heard some football journalist on radio 5 saying the classic line 'Its a short career' about Sterling.

Yeah 30 years ago, its a short career, lets try to make sure we're all secure and safe in what is a very long retirement, but now?  Raheem Sterling?  Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: arkellsboi on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 11:44:44
Elitism in the media. Chelsea v West Brom dead rubber talked up more than exciting, meaningful third division football. Boring Premier League summer transfer speculation considered more worthy of reportage than impending return of Middlesbrough or Norwich to the top flight. Barcelona winning La Liga emphasised over Conference play-off final. Big four/five obsession. Fawning over the same players.

Bollocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 13:46:15
Raheem Sterling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:14:40
Raheem Sterling.
Very much this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:18:29
Sterling says he's upset that the details of talks have been leaked to the media. I wouldn't be surprised that the details were leaked by his agent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:20:05
And talking of agents, I see Yaya Toure's agent has been doing his annual shit stirring.

I wonder if his birthday cake was big enough this year, or it was the incorrect type of cake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:22:18
And talking of agents, I see Yaya Toure's agent has been doing his annual shit stirring.

I wonder if his birthday cake was big enough this year, or it was the incorrect type of cake.
What, like a wedding cake?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:27:38
What, like a wedding cake?

I was thinking along the lines of getting a sponge cake instead of a chocolate cake, but if you know something that I don't know...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:27:52
Not sure if this is wrong as such, but I am glad that the defender is taking some action. It just seems out of order for the striker to make some of the comments she has made, although possibly shows the top players disappearing up their own arse is not limited to the male game.

Tackle doesn't look that bad from the replay.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32786892


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:33:27
from that angle I can't see why it was even a red. penalty yes, but ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 14:35:42
Last woman?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Tuesday, May 19, 2015, 17:58:03
Looking at the photo, no part of Abby Holmes body is in contact with the pitch. Kelly Smiths right ankle is folded over and the inside of her foot is flat on the pitch. Looks like an airborn diving in lunge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 21, 2015, 14:45:42
This... although I cannot disagree with his description of Jamie Carragher...

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/raheem-sterlings-agent-aidy-ward-confirms-star-wants-to-leave-liverpool-900000aweek-would-not-keep-him-at-anfield-10266233.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 21, 2015, 17:53:02
This... although I cannot disagree with his description of Jamie Carragher...

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/raheem-sterlings-agent-aidy-ward-confirms-star-wants-to-leave-liverpool-900000aweek-would-not-keep-him-at-anfield-10266233.html
He's also the agent for Berahino who's also engaged in similar "I'm too big for this club despite barely being out of nappies" antics, so this would appear to be his standard MO. If I were either Sterling or Berahino, I'd be very worried that my agent was apparently so thin-skinned that he'd now become part of the "story" and I'd be having severe doubts as to whether he could indeed pull off the big money move both have so obviously been promised. Strikes me whatever you think of Carragher he's got nothing on this idiot when it comes to being a knob.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, May 21, 2015, 18:26:02
No one saw this coming. How long until Blatter's the only candidate?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32826308


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, May 22, 2015, 08:35:27
No one saw this coming. How long until Blatter's the only candidate?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32826308

They're all withdrawing to concentrate opposition votes on a single candidate. However, the maths haven't changed, and Blatter will continue to command enough corrupt votes from corrupt associations to ensure the whole corrupt charabanc rolls on. If only he'd just die.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 22, 2015, 09:14:56
They're all withdrawing to concentrate opposition votes on a single candidate. However, the maths haven't changed, and Blatter will continue to command enough corrupt votes from corrupt associations to ensure the whole corrupt charabanc rolls on. If only he'd just die.
Really the only way this will end is for him to die. Or be murdered. I wouldn't put it above the whole sorry situation that he comes to an 'accident'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, May 22, 2015, 09:22:03
Really the only way this will end is for him to die. Or be murdered. I wouldn't put it above the whole sorry situation that he comes to an 'accident'.

But the General Secretary, Jerome Valcke, will probably be his heir, and don't forget this is the guy who was sacked by FIFA after a US court found him to be lying in a legal case involving Mastercard, costing FIFA $60m...only to come back 6 months later with a better job !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Valcke


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 22, 2015, 09:29:12
But the General Secretary, Jerome Valcke, will probably be his heir, and don't forget this is the guy who was sacked by FIFA after a US court found him to be lying in a legal case involving Mastercard, costing FIFA $60m...only to come back 6 months later with a better job !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A9r%C3%B4me_Valcke
I was thinking some kind of a plane accident where all the fuckers go up in one fell swoop. And we can watch them burn. And draw an end to the whole sorry state of affairs where the game we love is being used as a milch cow for a bunch of rich, selfish cunts.

But that's just me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 22, 2015, 09:34:59
I was thinking some kind of a plane accident where all the fuckers go up in one fell swoop. And we can watch them burn. And draw an end to the whole sorry state of affairs where the game we love is being used as a milch cow for a bunch of rich, selfish cunts.
That's going to have to be one big old plane then, if it's going to fit in most of FIFA, all the Premier League officials and club owners/execs, Sky, UEFA, the Russian Mafia, the royal families of Qatar, UAE etc etc


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, May 22, 2015, 10:13:09
Really the only way this will end is for him to die. Or be murdered. I wouldn't put it above the whole sorry situation that he comes to an 'accident'.

It's what crowdfunding was made for...


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, May 22, 2015, 13:35:16
That's going to have to be one big old plane then, if it's going to fit in most of FIFA, all the Premier League officials and club owners/execs, Sky, UEFA, the Russian Mafia, the royal families of Qatar, UAE etc etc
Maybe they could be holding a meeting somewhere and a plane crashes into it?

I am adding a disclaimer to say that this would be a horrible thing to happen. Awful.

(hello terrorism squad)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 23, 2015, 12:54:18
Karl Oyston is on the board of directors of The Football League.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 08:22:07
The Club's £15M contribution to the conversion cost of £272M.   :eek:

Nice work, if you can get it!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33214058


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 15:56:39
They are also signed up to a 99 year lease at £2.5m per year, so a total liability of £262.5m and Athletics will still be possible in the stadium vs. the original plan to scale down to a 25k stadium which would host nothing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 16:00:33
Kiddie at work is a hammer ST holder

Their ST prices have been dropped 20% iirc starting that move season.
Makes a change to see a club give something back


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 16:02:17
 Boss Gareth Southgate says a Sweden player calling England "overrated" will motivate his side in Sunday's European Under-21 Championship Group B game.

Sweden left-back Ludwig Augustinsson said England's players are "a bit more expensive than what they are worth".

Southgate, whose side could be eliminated with a defeat, said: "I believe those quotes have been posted next to the meal room.

"It is interesting when the opposition make comments about your squad."

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but the dude is correct, English players are over-priced & over-rated


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 17:33:08
Kiddie at work is a hammer ST holder

Their ST prices have been dropped 20% iirc starting that move season.
Makes a change to see a club give something back

Is it not a question that they've been gifted a large stadium by the taxpayer that would be seriously under capacity at existing prices?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 17:42:33
coupled with another massive hike in TV revenue


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 18:43:07
Is it not a question that they've been gifted a large stadium by the taxpayer that would be seriously under capacity at existing prices?

coupled with another massive hike in TV revenue

Both valid points
But imagine the majority of prem clubs would have kept the high prices despite the above truths


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 18:48:43
Anybody have a clue as to what sort of % of a PL club's turnover is down to ticket sales?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 20:43:24
Rio Ferdinand having a pop that English footballers are over priced.

Oh the irony.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, June 21, 2015, 20:55:31
Rio Ferdinand having a pop that English footballers are over priced.

Oh the irony.
Given Rios previous presumably just the white ones are overpriced


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, June 22, 2015, 05:24:40
Anybody have a clue as to what sort of % of a PL club's turnover is down to ticket sales?

Don't know, Arsenal allegedly have around 50k ST holders
Dearest is over a grand so even allowing for concessions got to be in excess of £25 million a year.


Add in TV money and sponsorship  :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 22, 2015, 09:22:05
I was just thinking that as ticket sales fall as a % of overall income - cos of TV money - it would be nice if clubs reduced their ST prices by the same amount.

Never happen, I know


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 04:28:55
Anybody have a clue as to what sort of % of a PL club's turnover is down to ticket sales?
Think a club like Arsenal with 60k high price seats every week gets nor far off tv money from "match day" sales, prob. Inc programmes, catering etc (£100 m. v £140m. ?) - sponsorship and other commercial might be about £60m.

More normal premiership clubs probably get about 5 x their match day takings in tv money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:03:37
I was just thinking that as ticket sales fall as a % of overall income - cos of TV money - it would be nice if clubs reduced their ST prices by the same amount.

Never happen, I know
It just means they're less reliant on fans so treat them even worse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 08:53:11
No-one comes close to matching South America for cheating.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/edinson-cavani-sentoff-after-gonzalo-jara-appears-to-poke-his-backside-during-uruguays-10-copa-america-defeat-to-chile-10343914.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/edinson-cavani-sentoff-after-gonzalo-jara-appears-to-poke-his-backside-during-uruguays-10-copa-america-defeat-to-chile-10343914.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 08:55:13
What? Even us?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 08:55:46
So Cavani gets a finger up the poochute and ends up getting sent off? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 09:01:27
So Cavani gets a finger up the poochute and ends up getting sent off? :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Did you see the video? He didn't seem to feel that was anything to react about, but the other bloke just took a dive anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 09:02:23
Yeah ive just seen it. Appaling playacting!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 09:05:47
He smelt his finger, then passed out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, July 4, 2015, 16:40:51
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jose-holebas-denies-signing-for-watford-24-hours-after-club-announce-his-arrival-10364930.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 6, 2015, 09:18:59
Oyston at Blackpool.

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/league-one-introducing-britains-version-sepp-blatter-074237828--sow.html

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This week the current chairman was investigated by police after he was accused of flourishing a firearm in the direction of a not surprisingly distressed supporter of the club. Police decided that there was not sufficient evidence to charge Karl Oyston, but the incident was neatly symbolic: this is chairman at war with his own supporters. Or at least, that dwindling band of diehards who have remained loyal to the club in the face of his appalling behaviour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, July 12, 2015, 17:58:24
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, July 12, 2015, 18:37:35
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.

Nice payday for QPR with a 20% sell-on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2015, 08:43:55
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.

http://newsthump.com/2015/07/13/raheem-sterling-transfer-replaces-hatton-garden-raid-as-britains-biggest-robbery/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, July 13, 2015, 08:55:45
£50m for Raheem Sterling.

Overrated.As.Fuck.

And his agent picking up his 10%...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, July 13, 2015, 09:02:30
I think we've seen the best of Raheem already. He'll now fade into obscurity and be just another promising player who didn't fulfil his potential.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, July 13, 2015, 09:07:58
£9 million for QPR, too from their sell-on clause


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 13, 2015, 09:33:53
Sterling could be a very good player for England, not Messi-esque but decent. OF course, he could also go the way of Lennon, SWP or David Bentley, all of whom were the next big thing for a year or two.

£49m is a huge amount of money to any normal person but to Sheikh Mansour it's chump change. Commenting on this deal against the background of football finance in general at this stage is just like noting one particular turd in a tsunami of excrement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, July 13, 2015, 10:02:07
Weird how everyone seems to forget that Raheem Sterling is a bloody good player.

HUGE pressure on him now though, but he'll give City an extra push to challenge Chelsea next year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 17, 2015, 17:13:56
Just a minor thing, but...
Quote
Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ  6m6 minutes ago
BREAKING: Sky Sources: Manchester United expect goalkeeper David De Gea to leave either this summer or next summer. #SSNHQ

Seriously?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 17, 2015, 17:14:24
But more importantly, WTF happened to Tails?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 17, 2015, 17:15:38
Just a minor thing, but...
Seriously?

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ  6m6 minutes ago
BREAKING: Sky Sources: Costanza might go to Swindon Town's opening fixture versus Bradford City. Or he might not. #SSNHQ


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, July 22, 2015, 10:54:06
Quote from: France Football
Barcelona forward Lionel Messi received at least £2.4m in cash to lay a stone at a 2017 Africa Cup of Nations stadium in Gabon.  



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, July 22, 2015, 11:44:50
But did he pay his tax on it !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 08:38:54
Talking of tax . . .

https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2373552?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 08:41:37
Talking of tax . . .

https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2373552?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 >:(   It's SUFC, not STFC, something wrong here, we haven't had a winding up order for several months.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 08:42:24
They've had more windings up, than a clockwork toy. Used to be quite amusing reading their board before they made it via registration only.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 18:22:21
A few pre-seasons ago a Shrimpers fan decided we were the 'team disliked most', in WSC I think, after we had 'bought our way out of the division', despite his own club's continual failings. I have a (very) mild dislike of them since.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 19:50:53
Brizzle being charged £39 for their opening game at Sheff Wed :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33642972


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, July 23, 2015, 19:57:35
A few pre-seasons ago a Shrimpers fan decided we were the 'team disliked most', in WSC I think, after we had 'bought our way out of the division', despite his own club's continual failings. I have a (very) mild dislike of them since.

Yeah I've never liked them, far too up their own arses, that and the fake drum they played over the tannoy when we were last there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 11:05:39
Take your pick :

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33688426

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33684831


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 11:09:48
Take your pick :

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33688426

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33684831

And yet the FA, are still prepared to participate in the 2018 qualification when they know it is corrupt....which in my book makes them equally corrupt, but we knew this anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 11:39:39
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33735547

Umm, because you were found guilty of being a racist fuckwit Mr Scally?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 14:25:25
Women involved with football!! Can't get my head around it. It's like men doing all the cooking? Never in my world will it happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 16:06:07
I do all the cooking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 16:40:38
A lot and I mean a LOT do the cooking. It was a pun and not a dig. Just believe women's football should not get so much exposure. It's not helping the real game at all .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 16:44:45
This is my opinion by the way?! Don't want to offend our female species.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 17:14:57
This is my opinion by the way?! Don't want to offend our female species.

Sure looks like you do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 18:25:48
A lot and I mean a LOT do the cooking. It was a pun and not a dig. Just believe women's football should not get so much exposure. It's not helping the real game at all .

The 21st century just called mate. Were you not at home?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: steveg on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 18:28:24
The 21st century just called mate. Were you not at home?
[/quote

It sounds your complete then?

21st century haha!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 19:24:17
The 21st century just called mate. Were you not at home?
[/quote

It sounds your complete then?

21st century haha!

What does this mean?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 19:44:45
I'm lost on that one as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 20:11:18
A lot and I mean a LOT do the cooking. It was a pun and not a dig. Just believe women's football should not get so much exposure. It's not helping the real game at all .
I'm more than happy for it to get the exposure the Beeb are giving it. It may well just be a short-term vogue (I suspect the 'real game' may well have been seen negatively in its early years), but if it helps to reduce the number of potential sedentary lard-arse kids, all the better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, August 1, 2015, 21:09:52
Was talking about womens football with a mate earlier today. Problem is its simply not as good as mens football. So what they should do is stop trying to copy the mens game, do things differently. Stuff that the mens game cant do.

Experiment with quarters? With no draws, penalty shoot out (or another new method leads to a winner in every game), sin bins. That kind of thing, encourage the viewer to tune in and watch, accting the game wont be as fast or technical as the mens.

Womens sport in general need to take a different approach as womens ashes, womens 6 nations, womens premier league, its all very unoriginal and is just a blatent attempt to use the mens history to try and get viewers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, August 2, 2015, 06:44:48
I do all the cooking

So do I.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: scollenstfc on Sunday, August 2, 2015, 06:51:20
The problem with Women's football is that the dream for promoters is for Women to start getting into the sport in a viewer capacity. The reality however is this just won't happen to the extent they would like in the short term and therefore it relies on Men showing an interest to promote the sport in the meantime. This is fine during pre season for an FA cup final or a world cup, but once the men's season starts, there really is no competition between the 2 both in terms of quality and excitement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, August 5, 2015, 12:41:22
FA take cash from Blackpool, but won't entertain compensating fans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33781942


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 10:24:34
RE: Women's Football. 

I'm sorry, but all those saying "why is it trying to be like the men's game (or the real game as you like to call it)" etc. This shows the same short sighted behaviour when the very sport you love started in the first place. It was amatuer, it was slow, the facilities were terrible, the pitches were shit (some still are). Women's football has every right to be as big as Men's if there is support from people around the World. The recent WWC had the most exposure of women's football since it turned pro.

 I personally think it's great and there is no reason why women's and men's football can't co-exist together. You know, like Athletics does, Tennis does, and so on.

Maybe once the last of the "real men" (*use obnoxious c*nts) who expect their dinner on the table, bed made, great sex and without a woman then nagging him, once the last of that generation have gone, we may see a more generational shift.

Accepting change isn't a bad thing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: EldeneRed on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 11:16:38
RE: Women's Football. 

I'm sorry, but all those saying "why is it trying to be like the men's game (or the real game as you like to call it)" etc. This shows the same short sighted behaviour when the very sport you love started in the first place. It was amatuer, it was slow, the facilities were terrible, the pitches were shit (some still are). Women's football has every right to be as big as Men's if there is support from people around the World. The recent WWC had the most exposure of women's football since it turned pro.

 I personally think it's great and there is no reason why women's and men's football can't co-exist together. You know, like Athletics does, Tennis does, and so on.

Maybe once the last of the "real men" (*use obnoxious c*nts) who expect their dinner on the table, bed made, great sex and without a woman then nagging him, once the last of that generation have gone, we may see a more generational shift.

Accepting change isn't a bad thing.

Exactly this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 12:08:36
todays bbc football headline: bristol player scores winner after 4,000 mile journey.

theres giving publicity then theres writing shit to force publicity. I cant wait to see the fifa (game) ratings on the womens team. be interesting to see where they rank individually compared to mens league players.

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Maybe once the last of the "real men" (*use obnoxious c*nts) who expect their dinner on the table, bed made, great sex and without a woman then nagging him, once the last of that generation have gone, we may see a more generational shift.

this is the problem with any womens football debate. people like you consider it to be sexist not to care about their scores and news etc. attendances are no bigger than average conference teams yet the publicity in comparison is extremely different.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 12:12:21
this is the problem with any womens football debate. people like you consider it to be sexist not to care about their scores and news etc. attendances are no bigger than average conference teams yet the publicity in comparison is extremely different.

There's a difference between not caring and being actively hostile, which people are to women's sports in a way they simply aren't to men's sports they're not interested in. 30,000 people at the women's FA Cup final by the way, and 55,000 for the England ladies at Wembley last year. Things must have changed in the conference since I last looked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 12:14:50
I would have gone to the womens cup final if Id been free.  But then again I have 2 daughters so am rather more likely to be sympathetic towards womens sport.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 12:21:42
There's a difference between not caring and being actively hostile, which people are to women's sports in a way they simply aren't to men's sports they're not interested in. 30,000 people at the women's FA Cup final by the way, and 55,000 for the England ladies at Wembley last year. Things must have changed in the conference since I last looked.

Nationally I agree, I even watched some of the world cup my self. For individual clubs attendances the conference is a realistic bench mark. I stand by the view that the news stories being filled up on the main football page are not worthy of major footballing news.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ExiledEric on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 12:54:49
Exactly this.

+1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 13:31:57
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33780720

My Spurs supporting mate used to rant about how the Spurs bid was overlooked despite the cost to the tax payer being nil - I've no idea to how truthful he was, I don't care to be honest. What I do care about is why the fucking fuck West Ham get the stadium and us tax payers help the poor club pay for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 14:39:23

this is the problem with any womens football debate. people like you consider it to be sexist not to care about their scores and news etc. attendances are no bigger than average conference teams yet the publicity in comparison is extremely different.

Ok.....

Here's an article about the men's game attendances and a lot of it refers to the early part of the 1900s, you know, when football was either still semi-pro or just starting to turn pro. - http://talksport.com/node/24936

Here's an article about the history of men's football in general, it talks about it's roots in public schools and the unpopular choice to form a professional association. - https://paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/fcplc

You are probably more against it, because you are living in the time when it is evolving. It's threatening something you already enjoy, yet really you can enjoy it just the same as the men's version. There are benefits to this for all  ;D Just look a little deeper.

My comments never termed sexism. I was purely stating a generational attitude, which some of us are taught, some of us disregard and some of us grow out of and form our own measured view.

You can't really blame the media reports (of which I agree, some are pointless) on the sex of the sport played. We get silly reporting across the board and I don't think the BBC is the best example of media representation in sport. Hey ho, only my opinion. Also aren't we currently debating whether we need to know "How many crumbs of Birdseye Crispy Pancakes is retained in Lee Power's dinner shirt" (although now i'm intrigued to know) along with other stretched out journalism?

Finally here is an article (although 6 years old) bears some relevance to your attitude surrounding the popularity of the women's attendances - http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/sep/10/england-womens-football-team

Here's a couple of snippets if you can't be arsed to look.

"...Kerr's Ladies FC, a works factory team from Preston, drew a crowd of 53,000 on Boxing Day in 1920 to watch their game against St Helen's Ladies at Everton's Goodison Park stadium.."

"...And then, on 5 December 1921, the Football Association put an end to all that, banning women from playing on FA-affiliated pitches (effectively, all grounds with spectator facilities) with the assertion that "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged". It is hard not to suspect this was, at least in part, a defensive move made by male officials who felt threatened by the success of their female counterparts. And so the women's game was allowed to wither on the vine, missing out on half a century of development while the men's leagues established ever stronger roots."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 15:51:45
It's threatening something you already enjoy

It really isn't.

Give it 6 months, the WWC will be forgotten and the sport will revert to its minority status. Attendances for the women's league here will be conference, at best, levels


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 22:24:31
It really isn't.

Give it 6 months, the WWC will be forgotten and the sport will revert to its minority status. Attendances for the women's league here will be conference, at best, levels

I say judge it in 20 years. Development of anything initially unpopular or against the grain always takes time. Do I have to go down the "Everyone told the Wright Brothers they would never succeed" type theories?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 22:44:12
The women's game will only ever compliment the men's equivalent but that would be a great achievement in its own right. The WSL summer move and the bigger clubs investing more has put England ladies in its current boom. The bigger clubs pull interest and it's over, again. I dare say it'll survive longer this time.

The old attendances are pretty meaningless for the here and now, especially those during post-war years. It was something of a novelty and nothing that was taken hugely seriously (not saying that attitude was right).

WSL just needs to keep doing its thing and do its best to ignore the inane comparisons to the men's game. USA is a great example where the women's game is popular but simply cannot maintain a professional set up without getting in to perennial financial difficulties.

Also, GB could really do with a women's team at the Olympics but, you know, we can't get along.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 23:16:30
The women's game will only ever compliment the men's equivalent but that would be a great achievement in its own right. The WSL summer move and the bigger clubs investing more has put England ladies in its current boom. The bigger clubs pull interest and it's over, again. I dare say it'll survive longer this time.

The old attendances are pretty meaningless for the here and now, especially those during post-war years. It was something of a novelty and nothing that was taken hugely seriously (not saying that attitude was right).

WSL just needs to keep doing its thing and do its best to ignore the inane comparisons to the men's game. USA is a great example where the women's game is popular but simply cannot maintain a professional set up without getting in to perennial financial difficulties.

Also, GB could really do with a women's team at the Olympics but, you know, we can't get along.


Ironically though, it was actually the Football League that implemented the ban on women playing at proper stadia. For nearly 50 years. So we can really say it was irrelevant. If that had been implemented in the men's game for that long, attendances would also have suffered and some of the stadia today may not have been built.

Tbf Costanza, at least you made a case in a more diplomatic way. Fair game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 23:45:05
Surely the whole point of the increased coverage is to increase attendances? So the "argument" that attendances in women's football are low so there shouldn't be so much coverage is missing the point..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 6, 2015, 23:53:44
I say judge it in 20 years. Development of anything initially unpopular or against the grain always takes time. Do I have to go down the "Everyone told the Wright Brothers they would never succeed" type theories?

People told Elmer, The Flying Monk he wouldn't succeed, but 900 years later the Wright brothers did....not everything happens overnight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, August 7, 2015, 00:00:48
People told Elmer, The Flying Monk he wouldn't succeed, but 900 years later the Wright brothers did....not everything happens overnight.

You get my point I was referring to with Abrahammer though Reg. Just because something hasn't happened in "our time" doesn't mean it won't. If everyone took that view we would never have had pioneers and great feats of engineering, etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, August 7, 2015, 00:07:58
You get my point I was referring to with Abrahammer though Reg. Just because something hasn't happened in "our time" doesn't mean it won't. If everyone took that view we would never have had pioneers and great feats of engineering, etc.

It's always best to keep an open mind....unless it's about French footballers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 20:11:36
This new Football League Tonight program is utter shite.

Bring back Claridge all is forgiven


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 20:15:15
This new Football League Tonight program is utter shite.

Bring back Claridge all is forgiven

Its trying to be like Soccer AM. Also don't mix up the leagues. They showed Shef Wed v Bristol and then went on to show Gills v Sheff Utd! Hmmmm

I think it'll be ok, but they need to stop trying to be cool because they just look like cunts. Plus the guy looks like Jude Laws double. So makes him a double cunt!!

On a side not though, really enjoyed seeing Flint look well out of his depth haaha  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 20:17:18
It's a total mess!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 22:42:14
They are trying something different which is to be commended. For example - it clearly does not revolve around the Championship which is what the FL Show did.

Tonight was the first show and it's difficult. These things don't suddenly come together like magic. it takes time for the format and the presenters to bed in.

Give them a break for now -  Coverage of our game was pretty reasonable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, August 8, 2015, 22:49:21
Agreed OST. Very easy to be overly critical.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 06:09:54
There was no Manish. That's good enough to start with...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hitchinred on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 06:45:46
George Riley struggled to separate his day job from the weekend one and said "five live" instead of just "5" quite early on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 07:09:02
The notion of FL highlights died when we lost our lower league darlings of Eddie Howe and Mark Warburton.

When they come back, I'll come back.

 ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 13:05:17
Why do fans clap whenever a player heads the ball back to the keeper as if it's some piece of enormous skill?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 14:17:29
That Sheff Utd away shirt - vomit inducing.

And we're going to have to see that in 3 weeks time...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 14:38:12
That Sheff Utd away shirt - vomit inducing.

And we're going to have to see that in 3 weeks time...

Noticed a few awful ones in the highlights.
3 or 4 pink ones
 :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 15:37:27
The bbc live thread giving a idiots air time. Apparently according to one twat if West Ham had lost today it was the beginning of the end for Bilic.

On a separate note Rip Ferdinand saying bevore the Man Utd match that 'not a lot is known about Romero'. He's being paid thousands to do that job and he thinks a world cup goalkeeper should be considered as some kind of unknown quantity.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, August 9, 2015, 22:43:05
On a separate note Rip Ferdinand saying bevore the Man Utd match...

Is he related to Van Winkel?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Monday, August 10, 2015, 05:49:23
That Sheff Utd away shirt - vomit inducing.

And we're going to have to see that in 3 weeks time...

let's hope they play just as shitily then as well...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, August 10, 2015, 07:15:21
Leon 'I cried on the CG pitch' Clarke still claiming his goal 'bonus' for the walk-in goal against Donny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 14, 2015, 21:18:17
(https://vangogh-fabrily.teespring.com/fabrily/mockup/94480/1/125/front.png?height=880&width=804)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, August 14, 2015, 23:35:23
WTF
 :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 00:27:29
Is that real? I'm thinking it must be irony, but as I type I know 99% of people are that fucking thick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 05:51:03
FH Investigations presents . . .

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/07/bangkok-based-wolves-english-football.html?m=1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: cosmicdrifter on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 08:21:15
FH Investigations presents . . .

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/07/bangkok-based-wolves-english-football.html?m=1

interesting article, always thought there was something dodgy about Crawley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 08:43:44
TBH, you never really know what goes on at most clubs - until it's too late, of course.

We should know that better than most.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, August 15, 2015, 08:57:02
It was always dodgy there, cant believe the FL/FA didn't investigate. Well I can actually. I remember the official address was a porta cabin at the end of Gatwick Runway, which really should have alerted someone. Interestingly the comments are from a month ago, so wonder what the latest is?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 16:10:37
Muff apparently going to spunk £70,000 a week paying Jermaine Defoe to become part of their relegation squad.

I can hear the buckets rattling again - hopefully


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 16:12:06
Muff apparently going to spunk £70,000 a week paying Jermaine Defoe to become part of their relegation squad.

I can hear the buckets rattling again - hopefully

I seem to remember Defoe playing for Bormuff....marked out of the game by Sol Davis.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 16:55:25
Muff apparently going to spunk £70,000 a week paying Jermaine Defoe to become part of their relegation squad.

I can hear the buckets rattling again - hopefully

Their local journo says otherwise


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 16:57:15
Don't let facts get in the way of giving Muff a shoeing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 16:58:40
FH Investigations presents . . .

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/07/bangkok-based-wolves-english-football.html?m=1

That site is blocked by my ISP. If somebody can copy and paste the article here I'll have a butchers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:02:58
here you go FH...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:04:49
Excuse any add that might have made their way into the transcript***

BANGKOK BASED 'WOLVES' - AN ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUB - AND A RESIGNATION


'LIES AND INNUENDO' SAY DIRECTORS WHO PASS ON SHARES FOR NOMINAL FEE'


International fraudsters with a history of share scamming estimated to have netted at over £1billion have been secretly funding a British football club with the proceeds of their illegal activities.

Two directors have been accused of making a hurried departure.  But today in a joint statement the man and wife team referred to ' a very small group of individuals' who ' have sought to bully and intimidate us by making completely false allegations and innuendos against us through the convenience of social media.'

At the centre of the controversy is Crawley Town Football Club - sponsored by CheckaTrade - where reputation matters.


Susan and Ian Carter with Mayor of Crawley on a roll after cash injection to club - public source



Director Ian Carter and his wife Susan condemned the attacks on them, believed to be have been made on the clubs's supporters website (ctfc,net) and elsewhere but confirmed that their shareholding would be passed on to another director at a nominal fee - and Susan would be resigning immediately for health reasons.

A poster to the site who was accused however stated in reply:


"The clear weight of both documentary & anecdotal evidence actually gives far greater credence to the theory that:"As the vultures start to circle the club, the Carters have quietly & cowardly scarpered and left a sap in the hot seat"

The small town spat however covers a much more serious problem.

There appears to be little doubt that cash into the club has been coming from the bosses of 'boiler operations' in the Far East; from scammers who have been targeting the pensions of Britons in the UK.

The transfer of the shares to another director Matt Turner owner of design and PR company has been known about for some time in local circles. It is this cash and the flow of cash from Asia which has worried supporters, much more it seems than directors.



Paul Hayward , left and Mickey Doherty,right, bask in glory at Crawley as the 'new owners'










And now it looks as if the Football Association may be asked to step into investigate the affairs of the club which, it is alleged, started receiving laundered money in 2011 the year it made it to the fifth round of the FA Cup before facing and losing to Manchester United at Old Trafford.

After an initial spurt the club has now  however been relegated to Football League 2.

The matter however should be of much more interest to the City of London Fraud Squad or the National Crime Agency. Both have had complaints relating to the scammers dating back years.

The plan by 'boiler room' scammers* in the Far East led by a Birmingham man Paul John Hayward, aka Paul Hilton, aka, Hong Kong Paul, based out of Bangkok  and a major player in the city's sex trade, was, perhaps, to build up the club and push it up to the Premier League.

But the secret real owners of the club did not want to undergo Football Association ‘fit and proper person’ scrutiny saying they wanted to remain low profile.

With the new influx of cash in 2011 the then club manager Steve Evans signed up 23 over a six-month period including Matt Tubbs, for £70,000, Sergio Torres for a record £100,000 and Richard Brodie for an undisclosed but reported fee estimated at £275,000.







One senior member of Crawley FC  who threatened to blow the whistle on the conspiracy is reported to have changed his mind after being show photographs of himself in Bangkok in a situation which he would not like his family to have seen.







It is estimated that each year money laundered from the Far East has paid for all the players’ salaries – and more. Expenditure however still exceeds more income and their club needs more cash from the Orient or from a sale to avoid going into administration – something which has happened twice before.


The now defunct website for the Eclipse Group
But the cash has been coming from a company called Eclipse Management, based in Bangkok with a parent company in Hong Kong which manages restaurants and night clubs which it had been buying up at a tremendous rate.  This maybe because cash for scams was coming in at US$2-3million a month, according to an ex-employee.

And Hayward, the man behind Eclipse, is one of the major kings of ‘Wolf of Wall Street’ scams running out of South East Asia. According to sources this week potential 'suckers' in Britain are being currently targeted to invest in at least two scams.

Eclipse Management, is nominally headed by Mickey Doherty, a former Hong Kong bar manager.

In most countries they would have difficulty accounting for the money flow both in and out.

 Haywood arrived in Bangkok in his early twenties to work the phones for American scammers. His persuasive telephone manner led to a meteoric rise to 'top loader' in a very short space of time.

Hayward is also the man behind the Nana Group, a company which holds the master lease on Bangkok’s busiest sex tourist complex – known as the Nana Entertainment Plaza – a square of lady boy and a-go-go bars with adjoining ‘short time rooms’ for sexual liaisons with prostitutes.

The lease was purchased from a Bangkok hotel, manufacturing and property company called the FICO Corporation at over £14million. Hayward claims that he got a bank loan from CIMB bank for this venture - and has had to force sub contractors to put up the prices of drinks and, bar fines (taking a prostitute out of the bar) to pay it back.




Hayward has boasted the perfect crime and that the City Fraud Squad could never catch him because: ‘I do not even have a bank account’.

He tells his minions the familiar boiler room defence : "If people are prepared to pay cash to someone they have only spoken to over the phone they deserve to lose it."

But a group known as the Confederation of Defrauded Victims (CDV), representing some 90 people who between them have lost about US$20 million are currently in dialogue with the banks who allowed the scammers to set up accounts with them to defraud investors from the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, several countries in Asia, and the United States.

Some banks are currently co-operating but not HSBC, says the CDV, which was the banker for many boiler room frauds.

The CDV has put out an internet warning on HSBC saying the bank ignored KYC (know your customer) and FATF (Financial Action Task Force) recommendations claiming the bank laundered money for a series of boiler rooms in which Hayward and his colleagues were involved - including scams carried out selling Tlway Texco shares and other fraudulent offerings and using vo's (virtual offices) pretending to be financial trading companies called Masahiro International, Jameson West Associates Ltd., Warner Beck Inc., McBain Baxter Holdings Ltd. and Carver Brooks Associates.

The CDV points out that none of the boiler rooms could have operated without the co-operation of international banks.

Hayward himself is now estimated to be personally worth US$100m-200m – and company checks in Thailand show more than 100 companies linked to him and his colleagues via Thai nominees, including wives and girlfriends.


Mat Turner (left) of Creative Pod)




Pottinger



The transfer of shares by Susan and Ian Carter, who run a small airfreight company - World Transshipment Services - to Matt Turner the boss of a local public relations and IT company Creative Pod, mean that Turner and the clubs chairman David Pottinger now control the club's shares.

Pottinger, chairman of the club has much closer links to Hong Kong Paul, or Paul Hilton, as he was referred to in a story in the Guardian, and they have met on their international travels.

Below Pottinger is pictured with Stephen Hayward - the father of Paul Hayward in Singapore.





Paul Hayward's father ran the Dubliner in Hong Kong, while Jon Kealy, of Brinton group notoriety runs the
Dubliner in Bangkok.


Recently Hayward has made moves to sell his 'interest', perhaps alerted that there has been a leak about his ownership. The club has been touting for new investors.



Hayward left - Doherty right at the club

But if the Football Association does its homework it’s possible that interested parties would be able to pick the club up for a song.

And a spokesman for the CDV said: "If the Football Association were to undertake a serious investigation we would be more than prepared to show them our files on Hayward.'

Hayward's ‘ace up his sleeve’ is that despite his reluctance he might pass a ‘fit and proper person test’ because he has never been convicted of any criminal offence.  This is almost certainly due to the fact that since a young age he has always lived in countries where the police have been pliable and run their own rackets.

Thai police rarely investigate foreigner on foreigner fraud - and never against a victim overseas.


Paul Hayward - Thai Immigation foto
Hayward arrived in Thailand 15 years ago when he was only 25 years old and worked as a ‘loader’ for the Brinton Group – a boiler room run by Irishman John Kealy – which was closed down in raids by the Thai police prompted by requests from the Australian Federal Police and FBI in 2001.

He also worked as an opener for a company called Foreign Currency International before a meteoric rise to become one of the partners in Premium Placements – a boiler room run by what become known as the Bangkok ‘Big Five’.

The other four members were Glendon Bullard, from Georgia, U.S. whose brother in law is the titular Managing Director of the Nana Group and who himself became President of the Thailand branch of the Bandidos motorcycle gang and Americans Mark Hutcherson, Jack Prather and Paul Richard Bell.


Bullard
Hutcherson, Bell, and Bullard are all now reported to be dead – Bullard, a heavy cocaine user, died in Pai in Mae Hong Son Province of Thailand in March.

His home in Chiang Mai had been raided last year by the Thai Police Crime Suppression Division at the request of the US Drug Enforcement Administration but nothing was found.

The notoriously corrupt CSD was virtually closed down last year with some 80 per cent of its officers transferred as a result of corruption allegations. The Lt.Colonel responsible for the raid on Bullard's Chiang Mai home later died while co-operating with investigator - after falling 'from a height'.

Hutcherson was reported (unconfirmed) to have died in a shooting incident, perhaps self inflicted, in the United States last week and Bell succumbed last year to heart trouble. He was buried in Texas on July 11 according to a funeral services report.

In all boiler room raids in Thailand while the Royal Thai Police appeared to be co-operating, none of the bosses have been charged with any serious criminal offences while the young people manning the phones were  fined and deported for working without visa. Further, one boiler room boss (Frank Giannini) walked off charges of killing two Thais in an accident while under the influence of drugs which were found in his car.

 Many openers and loaders in the Brinton Group came back on the next plane.


Raid on Brinton Group in Bangkok - FBI officer in foreground (Pic A Chant)


The Brinton raid, which were billed as a 'triumph of international police co-operation' - was in fact totally ineffectual and not a penny was recovered.

Hutcherson

Kealy and his team  faced charges bought by the Thai Securities and Exchange Commission with trading in shares while not registered to do so – and they  quickly paid off their fines of about US$10,000 each, while draining the Hong Kong banks, which were holding their stashes and moving the cash elsewhere. The Brinton Group had been targeting Australian investors.

But Hayward as a star ‘loader’,  a person delegated to ensure clients keep putting more and more cash in,  was soon hitting Britain with a company called Jackson Cole getting people to invest in a company called Secure Tee.

He is credited with making some US$80 million out of that scam – less his payroll and expense and there was no looking back.

Britain’s Serious Organised Crime Squad were given a list of all the victims which had been stolen from Hayward’s office by two American-Thai brothers James and John McCleary – but no action was taken – and of course SOCA has now been replaced by the National Crime Agency.

The McCleary brothers were later jailed along with two police officers for the kidnap of American Mark Hutcherson, a partner-in-crime of Hayward. They claimed they were innocent and merely reporting the boiler room, run by Hayward and Hutcherson to police - while police decided to make some extra cash.

BELOW - Part of an ABC Four Corners report on the Brinton Group






Another person who also tipped off police in Thailand about Hayward’s activities in Thonglor, Bangkok, Canadian Stephen Sharpe, was forced to flee to Manila – where the boiler room operators had a similar number of scams running.

He was subsequently set up on drugs and rape charges but was released after an investigation by the Philippines National Commission on Human Rights and having spent four years in jail has, He has now returned to his family home near Toronto.He wrote a document on Hayward called 'The Painted Picture' before his arrested,

And with regards to Foreign Currency International, a New Zealander, Ian Travis, who broke ranks and tried to steal clients, was gunned down in the centre of Bangkok while driving his BMW.

Nobody was ever taken to court for the murder.  Although the boiler room boss Jim Muller was actually extradited to stand trial for it with three Thais - they never did.

Tipping off police in Thailand and the Philippines on boiler room operations is a dangerous business as the cases of McClearys and Sharpe demonstrate.

Steven Sharpe aka Burt

The Nana Group security force is comprised almost entirely of off duty policeman from Lumpini Police Station in Bangkok and Hayward can also call upon a 3 star army general as his protector, according to the CDV.

A spokesman for the CDV which runs a website exposing frauds based out of Bangkok said his group approached the General in question through a third party and were merely told that he would not consider changing his position unless they could increase the offer.

Hayward has closed down most, but not all, of his operations in Thailand which were located in Bangkok, Chiang Mai and Pattaya, and he has already been thrown out of Cambodia, but evidence suggests that,  even though he does not have to work again,  boiler room scams are still operating under his name in the Philippines and Indonesia – both of which have a corruption rating higher than Thailand.

The closing and opening of rooms and switching from the Philippines to Thailand, to Malaysia, to Indonesia and even Bucharest is quite common. The operators use VOIP lines.

Whatever the FA decide, were it to investigate, is almost immaterial set against a background of massive international fraud. The cleaning up of a small football club pales into insignifance. Boilr room cash could buy a small country.

What is significant is that Hayward allowed his vanity to get the better of him by wanting to control a football club.

A spokesman for the Gotelee solicitors of Ipswich who represent Hayward said that their client denied all allegations that he was involved in boiler room share scamming and intended to issue a writ unless all references to him were removed and an apology given.. Mr. Hayward was a businessman in the property lease, restaurant and nightclub business, Gotelee stated.

If the allegations were not with drawn 'our client will have no option but to issue proceedings'.


*Boiler Room Investopedia: "A place where high-pressure salespeople use banks of telephones to call lists of potential investors (known as a "sucker lists") in order to peddle speculative, even fraudulent, securities. A boiler room is called as such because of the high-pressure selling."




And finally here's a very good film by an Aussie Keith Jones, who unwittingly invested in a boiler room scam operating out of the Northern Thai capital of Chiang Mai. He made the film to help himself through his ordeal. He finally tracked down a boiler room 'cooler' called Edward Martin, aka Ian Beck.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:07:35
Here's that video https://youtu.be/8HbvY1ZDhwg


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 17:16:09
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 18:19:04
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.
Lovely knowing you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 20:09:25
Championship bottom of the league club Bristol City paying £9 million for Brentfords Andre Gray. Fuck promotion if that's the price of an average championship striker!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 20:29:04
Also a cracking price rise for a player Brentford bought for a rumoured half million one season ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 21:01:25
Also a cracking price rise for a player Brentford bought for a rumoured half million one season ago.

And an example of how much more you can get for a player one division up... Just sayin'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, August 19, 2015, 22:03:21
And an example of how much more you can get for a player one division up... Just sayin'.

I've always thought (no disrespect intended) He is actually a donkey. I'd be very underwhelmed if I had 10 fingers.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 07:55:55
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.
I dont understand how these people sleep at night (other, of course, than on top of a huge pikw of money). If I stand on someone's foot on the tube I feel godawful. And it's the fact they go from crooked thing to crooked thing enriching nobody else's life but their own. It is exactly the same as some of the cowboy builders I know from the pub. How can you live with yourself knowing you are making other people's life a misery?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 08:05:32
Ha, I know Paul Hilton. He even bought me a drink once. He's a proper, career crook.

Did he buy you a drink on the condition you got three people to buy him a drink?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 09:44:54
Championship bottom of the league club Bristol City paying £9 million for Brentfords Andre Gray. Fuck promotion if that's the price of an average championship striker!
It's not. That's the price of desperation and advertising that a) you're desperate b) you have cash to spend. Which may be why Power/Cooper are smarter than some of our fans who are bemoaning the public declarations that we don't have money to spend and it's got to be 1 out, 1 in. As opposed to publicly saying "We've just made £4m from selling Luongo etc who wants to take it off us?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 11:20:35
Has this actually gone through or is Lansdowne stalling whilst he thinks, hang on shouldn't I buy a defender instead of spunking 9 mill on someone who's had one half good season?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 11:34:00
The fella's mega loaded. Be nice to see Cotterill waste loads of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 14:04:03
Sky are actually using FM to assess potential transfers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 15:18:27
He's turned them down
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34003035

Ha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 15:25:23
Haha, they can't even "buy" the league. Shame though, thats money saved....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 15:34:01
Wonder who their third always-been-top-target £12m signing will be?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 15:37:31
Everton's away kit, that's what's wrong with football currently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, August 20, 2015, 18:30:39
It's a petition to find out more about West Ham's deal for the olympic stadium. This petition itself isn't wrong, but tax payers helping poor old West Ham is very wrong.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106355


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Friday, August 21, 2015, 06:33:37
There's a good article doing the rounds about  effect on the local area when WHUFC finally leave the BG. Supporters very worried about moving away to the sterile surroundings of the 'Stadio Olympico'.

The taxpayers bit is a con, can't believe West Ham are getting so much financial assistance.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, August 22, 2015, 18:47:16
The fact that LVG has now spent c.1/4 billion on players and no one bats an eyelid that they are still short in areas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, August 22, 2015, 22:05:30
The fact that LVG has now spent c.1/4 billion on players and no one bats an eyelid that they are still short in areas.

This season: players in 4- £52m players out 9- £55m. I'm quite sure everyone knows they are short in areas



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 18:02:58
The BBC giving this corrupt charlatan any press coverage :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34044182


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 18:36:48
Franchise: Pete Winkelman deserves credit, says Karl Robinson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34039857

ERM... No he doesn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, August 24, 2015, 18:39:14
!!!!!!!!!!PROMOTION MAKES EVERYTHING OKAY!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 19:21:06
Franchise: Pete Winkelman deserves credit, says Karl Robinson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34039857


Fuck off you club stealing cunts !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 19:31:40
Speaking of the club stealing cunts

Quote
Franchise FC ‏@MKDonFC  6h6 hours ago
NEWS: Special Franchise song sheets will be handed out at our next home league encounter against Birmingham City #COYD

 :frustr:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, August 24, 2015, 19:33:55
Speaking of the club stealing cunts

 :frustr:

Fake account apparently..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 03:59:02
Franchise: Pete Winkelman deserves credit, says Karl Robinson - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34039857

ERM... No he doesn't.

To be fair I know Karl and as much as i hate Franchise I like him.  He doesn't give a shit about the club and tells me to lump on them getting relegated this season.  He's just wants to make a living in football after not making it as a player as far as i can tell.

Winkleman is a proper cunt but. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 07:56:32
Yeah, sure he did


Title: Re:
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 09:10:13
Now they have given him freedom of the borough, does that mean he's allowed back near the schools again?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 12:29:54
To be fair I know Karl and as much as i hate Franchise I like him.  He doesn't give a shit about the club and tells me to lump on them getting relegated this season.  He's just wants to make a living in football after not making it as a player as far as i can tell.

Winkleman is a proper cunt but. 

Ive come across Karl a few times, hes actually pretty sound, and this might be controlversial, but I wouldnt mind hime being town manager.

Winkleman looks like the cross between ken dodd and jimmy saville.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 12:53:24
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/24/jermain-defoe-personal-assistant-sunderland-stocking-fridge

Anyone fancy growing Jermain Defoe's personal brand for 60k? Sounds like an ideal job for Ben if you ask me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 12:58:30
Yeah, sure he did

And I'd lie about that why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 13:06:11
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/24/jermain-defoe-personal-assistant-sunderland-stocking-fridge

Anyone fancy growing Jermain Defoe's personal brand for 60k? Sounds like an ideal job for Ben if you ask me.

Stocking the fridge bit maybe. Choosing his suits, errr.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 09:48:28
This is probably more a "What's wrong with the idiots who run things in this country" but there's a football angle on it so hey ho:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/coventry-city-ricoh-arena-train-station-open-football-fans-wasps


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 09:56:23
This is probably more a "What's wrong with the idiots who run things in this country" but there's a football angle on it so hey ho:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/coventry-city-ricoh-arena-train-station-open-football-fans-wasps

When the son of Chippenham, takes the railways back into public ownership, all will be good.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 10:01:00
When the son of Chippenham, takes the railways back into public ownership, all will be good.

Is he going to buy loads of new rolling stock to address this issue then?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 10:06:31
Is he going to buy loads of new rolling stock to address this issue then?

You can't run a railway without rolling stock....it would have been good if the Works was still available for such a manufacturing renaissance, but the Tories closed it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 10:13:24
Bit like the line between Swindon and Gloucester  - millions spent returning the second line but FGW won't/can't run the trains on it to use it properly so the thirty mile journey still take nearly an hour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 10:23:51
This is probably more a "What's wrong with the idiots who run things in this country" but there's a football angle on it so hey ho:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/coventry-city-ricoh-arena-train-station-open-football-fans-wasps

£13.6 million well spent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 11:03:51
You can't run a railway without rolling stock....it would have been good if the Works was still available for such a manufacturing renaissance, but the Tories closed it.

Have a drink everyone.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 14:35:12
Have a drink everyone.....

We definitely should have a TEF drinking game: Reg blames the Tories in a non-politics topic is definitely on the list. What else?

Any punfest
Lurid sex story from DMR/Reg
Franchise customer getting annoyed about the Franchise autocorrect
New member getting the traditional welcome
Dosser popping up with a tinfoil hat thread
Established member deletes account in a grump


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 14:38:56
We definitely should have a TEF drinking game: Reg blames the Tories in a non-politics topic is definitely on the list. What else?

Someone links to the "Can I buy an adver at the ground?" thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 14:48:55
A mention of schools being closed or the mental hospital's day out whenever a new troll arrives. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 15:01:06
Someone links to the "Can I buy an adver at the ground?" thread


But can you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 15:14:28
But can you?

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=24725

Do I have to take a shot now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 15:26:33
http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=24725

Do I have to take a shot now?

Two fingers...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 16:56:34
We definitely should have a TEF drinking game: Reg blames the Tories in a non-politics topic is definitely on the list. What else?

Any punfest
Lurid sex story from DMR/Reg
Franchise customer getting annoyed about the Franchise autocorrect
New member getting the traditional welcome
Dosser popping up with a tinfoil hat thread
Established member deletes account in a grump


Bazza is your man for sex stories nowadays.....I've always self censored the lurid stuff  ;)

Baby club member reveals that dilemma about disposable v terry nappies is as rock and roll as it presently gets.

Darlo is happy to have finished a 36 hour shift.

Chubbs likes chillies.

Cycling clique MAMIL, buys another gadget



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Friday, September 4, 2015, 11:38:23
Whilst I applaud and respect the upturn in Welsh fortunes, the following article highlights how ridiculous the FIFA world rankings are.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34150058

Wales have done remarkable well to be on the cusp on qualifying for next euro's, but are they are potentially the 2nd best team in the world!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 4, 2015, 13:35:09
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34151258

At least Nathan Thompson will now be safe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 16, 2015, 21:27:43
Wasn't sure where to put this. Isn't this kind of stuff normally our forte? Blackpool are welcome to it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-34268761


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, September 17, 2015, 00:15:56
Does Europe really need a JPT equivalent?

http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:78d3f60636b048828593c0cff77850c5 (http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:78d3f60636b048828593c0cff77850c5)

I know we 'benefited' from a similar venture when we weren't allowed to enter another European tournament due to our stature but the reboot following our relegation from the Premier League was a huge waste of time, I was at each home game of that but remember absolutely nothing about any of them.

Do St. Mirren really want to travel to NK Istra 1961 in Croatia at a probable financial loss?

I can't even begin to imagine where they would find space to get this televised if not on a Friday or Monday (forget the implications of maybe having to fit a domestic calendar around such fixtures) in order to find the necessary funding to make it a worthwhile competition, unless they're going to find sponsorship from Slush Puppy, Peperami or Vimto for instance?

I can't think of anything more pointless, might as well just put a channel of Harry Agombar showcasing his skills on a 24 hour repeat.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, September 18, 2015, 16:39:59
Can we just lock them all up and throw away the key?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34291284


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, September 19, 2015, 12:51:12
Diego Costa


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, September 25, 2015, 20:35:26
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-uk-funding-boost-for-grassroots-football-in-china

and yet grassroots football in this country is crying out for funding. FFS.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, September 25, 2015, 20:43:01
What a waste of fucking money.

Cheers Osborne you dribbling nonce


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, September 25, 2015, 20:49:31
What a waste of fucking money.

Cheers Osborne you dribbling nonce
To be fair to Osborne, like a lot of our foreign aid, it'll be a sweetener being used as leverage on some other trade deal - it's called "tied aid" and it's pretty common practice ("We'll build you a couple of schools for £2m and make a big song and dance about our generosity if you buy this £100m worth of tanks we'd like to sell you"). And the government can quite reasonably argue that it's their job to boost UK trade with countries like China, whereas football in this country has plenty of money it could choose to direct to the grassroots if it chose to properly invest in the facilities, coaches etc needed to actually develop English footballers. But instead, football chooses to piss it up against a wall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, October 1, 2015, 17:54:52
Sod off Celtic...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34406891

And Rangers...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34417034


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, October 1, 2015, 18:16:47
It will never happen...for the simple reason that such an arrangement would be advantageous to Celtic, to Rangers and to no one else.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Lou Macari on Thursday, October 1, 2015, 18:42:21
It will never happen...for the simple reason that such an arrangement would be advantageous to Celtic, to Rangers and to no one else.
Never say never, we all know the Premier League are all about money nothing more, with Celtic bringing in 60k punters week in week out they have a massive presence in Scottish/world football and have a similar potential for money earling worldwide as Man Utd or at worst Arsenal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 1, 2015, 19:18:31
Even so I think there would be too big a resistance.

If a euro super league ever formed, then maybe..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, October 1, 2015, 19:27:14
Never say never, we all know the Premier League are all about money nothing more, with Celtic bringing in 60k punters week in week out they have a massive presence in Scottish/world football and have a similar potential for money earling worldwide as Man Utd or at worst Arsenal.

Scottish football...yes, world football...no.

European football has grown without them. They're lucky to even qualify for the Champions League now, and Scottish top flight football is the equivalent of L1.

English clubs don't need them. All it does is up policing costs and travel up to Scotland.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, October 2, 2015, 12:41:08
It would also be ammunition for those arguing against separate national teams for GB nations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 2, 2015, 12:43:31
Scottish top flight football is the equivalent of L1.
Come on that's just bollocks. The bottom end of the SPL may be, but the top end is at least decent Championship standard. How many League 1 sides do you see managing 2-2 draws against Ajax and Fenerbache?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Friday, October 2, 2015, 13:27:54
Come on that's just bollocks. The bottom end of the SPL may be, but the top end is at least decent Championship standard. How many League 1 sides do you see managing 2-2 draws against Ajax and Fenerbache?
Celtic are decent championship standard, the rest are L1 standard. Adam rooney scoring freely for aberdeen when pretty average for us would back this us imo. Especially as Storey appears to be scoring a few as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Friday, October 2, 2015, 13:33:57
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34416023

I know it is an over-simplification, but I wonder what League One attendances would be this weekend if everyone turned up with just £11.72 in their pockets?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 2, 2015, 13:38:51
In 2014, the BBC's Price of Football study found ticket prices had risen at almost twice the rate of the cost of living since 2011.

Is there any wonder why attendances are poor at the moment?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, October 2, 2015, 13:46:36
Come on that's just bollocks. The bottom end of the SPL may be, but the top end is at least decent Championship standard. How many League 1 sides do you see managing 2-2 draws against Ajax and Fenerbache?

It's a bit of a specious argument though, when no League 1 sides get to compete against Ajax or Fenerbache.

You could as easily argue how many SPL sides do you see winning 4-2 away at Stamford Bridge, or defeating Man United 4-0 at home, as League 1 sides managed last year?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, October 2, 2015, 13:57:15
Come on that's just bollocks. The bottom end of the SPL may be, but the top end is at least decent Championship standard. How many League 1 sides do you see managing 2-2 draws against Ajax and Fenerbache?

Will 1 - 1 do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXlINN4UHTs


Title: Re:
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, October 2, 2015, 13:58:41
Good old Swindown..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JanTheMan on Friday, October 2, 2015, 14:00:42
In 2014, the BBC's Price of Football study found ticket prices had risen at almost twice the rate of the cost of living since 2011.

Is there any wonder why attendances are poor at the moment?

Are attendances actually falling by say 10 or 20%?  A blip year every now and again, or the odd recession, but I think just as many are attending now and average disposable income is higher than at any point in the past (even after the 08/09 crash).   The difference is the customer.  The traditional supporter has been priced out for some time.  Instead a large % of attendees are sky fanatics, corporates or football tourists......but not supporters.   Most will have the money to lash on expensive premier tixs, albeit not every week.

Maybe it's because the rugger WC is on, but all I've heard this week is people with little interest in the actual sport proudly telling me they've bagged a corporate tickets. They will come in on Monday and repeat the story, but very few give a fcuk/show any passion about the game.  Football is not dissimilar.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 2, 2015, 14:29:34

It's a bit of a specious argument though, when no League 1 sides get to compete against Ajax or Fenerbache.

You could as easily argue how many SPL sides do you see winning 4-2 away at Stamford Bridge, or defeating Man United 4-0 at home, as League 1 sides managed last year?
You could if Ajax and Fenerbache were in the habit of playing weakened sides in the Europa League. So I'll counter your specious with a counter-specious. As is a 1-1 draw in a pre-season friendly, hardly the same as Europa League is it? Take the point though, and PlymRed's that much of the rest of the SPL is some way behind Celtic. But the idea that Celtic and Rangers are miles off the Premier League is horseshit. Once they had access to the PL TV money, they'd be right up there.

My larger point being that English football fans who console themselves that the 2 big Scottish clubs into the PL could never happen because they wouldn't compete are kidding themselves. Integrity of the competition? Ha ha. Not in the interests of English football? Do me a favour. Fans would be against it? Since when do they count. Would be at the cost of smaller clubs trying to get into the PL? See above.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Friday, October 2, 2015, 16:40:40
I could quite easily see Celtic/Rangers in our league unfortunately, all about money/revenue etc so I'm sure that will happen eventually. They would compete in the bpl, but couldn't see them near the top.

The rest are league 1 with the occasional forray into champ/l2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 2, 2015, 16:48:15
I could quite easily see Celtic/Rangers in our league unfortunately, all about money/revenue etc so I'm sure that will happen eventually. They would compete in the bpl, but couldn't see them near the top.

The rest are league 1 with the occasional forray into champ/l2

There really is no chance of this happening.....Rangers had their chance in the 19th Century, when they played unsuccessfully in the FA Cup, over several seasons.

It was easier in Scotland, so they settled for that.  Queen's Park were more successful, twice reaching the Cup Final, but were upset by creeping professionalism, so opted to play in the more amateur Scottish football, where they remain true to their principles today....a club for who I have admiration.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 2, 2015, 16:58:01
There really is no chance of this happening.....
Because? (History lesson aside)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 2, 2015, 17:13:27
Because? (History lesson aside)

Firstly, the increasing likelihood that Scotland will be an independent country within a decade, and that the Prem has no  interest in making it happen. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, although the last election may have proved that old saw wrong.

Atm....the Prem clubs are getting a bit squeaky bum about losing the 4th CL spot, because its sides are crap in Europe.

Competing for this is the preserve of approx 5 or 6 clubs.....why on earth would they possibly want to increase that competition?

The clubs lower down the food chain, the Evertons and Villas of the world, similarly have no interest in increasing the likelihood of a drop out of the trough.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 2, 2015, 18:44:06
So apparently now it's FA policy to not bother even interviewing all parties involved when investigating cases Eva Carneiro 'not asked' to testify by FA over Jose Mourinho remarks - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34427786


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 2, 2015, 19:58:05
McDonald's and Coca Cola are calling for Sepp the Merciless to step down.

I mean, that's a good thing, but when football is losing the moral high ground to McDonalds and Coca fucking Cola there is a real problem with the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, October 2, 2015, 20:06:28
FIFA have no morals....for the right price.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 2, 2015, 20:07:51
McDonald's and Coca Cola are calling for Sepp the Merciless to step down.

I mean, that's a good thing, but when football is losing the moral high ground to McDonalds and Coca fucking Cola there is a real problem with the game.

A real problem is Dyke and the FA supporting Platini, after he's under investigation for receiving a £ mill+ payment from Blatter, for services rendered 9 years ago, shortly after he got re-elected. They should resign en masse.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 12:12:34
More on West Ham and the lovely deal they have with the tax payer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34492276


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 12:31:37
I wonder if they will be allowed to make money from match day advertising etc if they are not responsible for maintenance and costs of the advertising boards?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 12, 2015, 12:28:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34500925

This was my big concern with Wales qualifying that Coleman would be seen as some sort of Guardiola and thus inflate his own idea of his own importance. I still recall that the speed that he put himself forward to replace Gary Speed was a little distasteful....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, October 12, 2015, 12:33:56
He does deserve it all fairness though.

The NI manager deserves a contract for life as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, October 12, 2015, 19:45:53
Both NI and Wales are beneficiaries of the extended Euro Champs to 24 teams. To be fair to NI, they have won their group, so even in the old scheme, they would've qualified, but they have benefitted with the top seeds, Greece, finishing bottom. Wales have been relying on a tight defence, and the brilliance of Gareth Bale. They have only scored 9 goals in 9 games.

The test will come in qualifying for the World Cup, as a lot less teams qualify. (24 down to 14)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, October 12, 2015, 21:21:40
The test will come in qualifying for the World Cup, as a lot less teams qualify. (24 down to 14)

True, but whilst there may only be one automatic spot plus a play off place to aim for, the taste of success will hopefully make some of the smaller nations thirsty to go for it again. I think the change in mindset for the euro qualifiers for some of the minnows has been refreshing, rather than settle for third, they've been driven on to go for an auto place as it isn't something that has been out of their reach.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, October 14, 2015, 22:14:42
The BBC's price of football is out then.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34531731

Arsenal just don't give a fuck, do they?

Interesting about Reading though, £10 match day and £135 ST. I think I'd almost put up with a "sing out for the glory of Swindon" song for that. Just.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 08:21:30
And we're among the most expensive in the division on pretty much every count. Good job they did the "How much each goal has cost you" calculation based on last season, on this season it would be eye-watering.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 09:18:24
Not on the most expensive matchday ticket prices we're not. The majority of prices are more expensive than our £18 for the TE.

Colchester is £31 FFS.

Cheltenham's ST price is only £20 cheaper than ours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 11:47:03
Not on the most expensive matchday ticket prices we're not. The majority of prices are more expensive than our £18 for the TE.

Colchester is £31 FFS.

Cheltenham's ST price is only £20 cheaper than ours.

And the Town End is never full.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 11:52:05
Not on the most expensive matchday ticket prices we're not. The majority of prices are more expensive than our £18 for the TE.
Which is why I used the words "among the most expensive" and "pretty much every count"
The majority of prices are more expensive than our £18 for the TE.
And the majority of people going to Swindon games don't go in the Town End. Our season ticket prices in the main stands for example compare much worse than I thought they would


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 12:06:16
And the Town End is never full.
Shite view. But tbh, do that many people worry if the price is £20 or £25. If you want to go to a game you go.

It's the ST prices that need addressing. Shame they stopped doing those block of 6 tickets.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 13:08:02
It's the ST prices that need addressing. Shame they stopped doing those block of 6 tickets.
Think you're right on both counts, although pay on the day in the main stands is embarrassingly high, but I suspect the impact is marginal


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, October 15, 2015, 21:55:00
Cant see why people are moaning. Chesterfield £200 more for an ST for example, we're nowhere near being expensive. Lots of L2 are dearer as well.  Some bloke was spouting off on the LP phone in about clubs raising their prices to £25 when we play to get us back for high ticket prices.. Be interesting to see If they do the same for Millwall and ColU


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, October 16, 2015, 11:42:13
FA "suspends" Platini support. Jesus, what kind of half-arsed, fence-sitting bollocks is that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34551399


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, October 16, 2015, 11:46:47
Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of justice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, October 16, 2015, 11:50:11
Might've been a bit rash. I guess I'm more of a guilty until proven innocent kind of person when it comes to money in football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, October 16, 2015, 12:10:53
Might've been a bit rash. I guess I'm more of a guilty until proven innocent kind of person when it comes to money in football.

TBF at least they've come out saying that after the UEFA statement yesterday that all 54 nations back the President. Not so, apparently...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34540522


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 22, 2015, 11:48:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34603517


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, October 22, 2015, 12:04:41
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34603517


(http://i.imgur.com/UtReKJg.jpg)

That is mental. Soon they'll be fined for not buying goods manufactured by sponsors.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, October 22, 2015, 15:39:23
That is fucking mental, the folks in charge of this game are deluded. Racist chants? Go for it. Boo the UEFA anthem? KILL THEM WITH FIRE.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, October 22, 2015, 16:05:17
What the fuck does dafuq mean?!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, October 22, 2015, 16:08:38
Dafuq does dafuq mean?!!

Fixed that for you. Should answer the question - assuming I'm not being trolled. 8)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, October 22, 2015, 16:45:49
Course you were.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, October 23, 2015, 13:32:15
Sun Jihai has just been inducted into the English football Hall of Fame.

In other, unrelated news, Chinese president Xi Jingping is visiting today.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, October 23, 2015, 21:50:05
Ok i'll do it, who?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 08:52:20
Ok i'll do it, who?

Cameron, I think it's Cameron that he's visiting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 11:55:45
I saw a selfie of aguero the human rights abusing president of china and the poor + pig fucking prime minister on the internet yesterday.

Made me sick to the stomach.  If things like that can happen what is the point of life.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 11:57:47
I had a selfie earlier


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 11:58:42
AS long as we don't entrust our nuclear power to them....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:02:42
Got China with a stranglehold over our future electricity and Russia with same over our gas supply and a volatile Middle East with the oil.

What could possibly go wrong?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:08:43
Got China with a stranglehold over our future electricity and Russia with same over our gas supply and a volatile Middle East with the oil.

What could possibly go wrong?

You forgot our corporate internet is run by Russian jihadi hackers. HTH.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:13:49
Oh, seriously dont bloody start me. 

In the space of a week the government have decided to make 3 million people poorer directly admitting he was lying to you in the run up to the election, started to divolve the union as the nasty old scots have too much power, refused to try to help our industry and sucked the cock of a terrible regime handing massive contracts to it.

At the same time smiling with that smug ham face.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:20:23
It's not just China. The 'relationship' with Saudi Arabia is just as stomach-churning.

Still, they can always give the asylum seekers a public kicking for a bit of publicity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:22:39
I saw a selfie of aguero the human rights abusing president of china
Pretty sure Aguero's not the president of China. But I'm shocked to hear about his human rights record.

*This is why punctuation's important, folks :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:25:52
My punctation goes out of the window when Im ranting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, October 24, 2015, 12:27:00
My punctation goes out of the window when Im ranting.
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 13:23:47
Can we vote for 'None of the above'?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34655656


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 13:33:36
A pox on all their houses.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 13:41:04
Tokyo Sexwale. What.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 13:45:11
Tokyo Sexwale. What.



He seems to be one of the more sensible candidates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Sexwale although good to see a 'controversies' section - that is imperative to lead FIFA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 14:17:12
Just thank the lord they weren't booing the Champions League anthem or they would be in trouble!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34655735


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 15:42:27
So voting doesn't matter, and he doesn't appear to think there is anything amiss..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34657900


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, October 28, 2015, 17:07:07
So voting doesn't matter, and he doesn't appear to think there is anything amiss..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34657900

By just saying that he has admitted that the 2018 vote was tainted, probably thanks to Vlad's money, and it has just backed up the papers stories about corruption in the 2018 vote.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 29, 2015, 16:13:20
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/half-and-half-football-shirts-clive-martin-889 (http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/half-and-half-football-shirts-clive-martin-889)

Quote from: @thugclive
It's no secret that the terraces aren't what they used to be. In fact, they aren't even terraces any more. They've been so heavily neutered, controlled and seated that they're now more akin to provincial arts centres, albeit with slightly more sleet-soaked Aquascutum jackets, male pattern baldness and bottles of Fanta with the tops confiscated.

The old clichés of Bovril, nationalism and "taking the North Stand" are now rose-tinted memories from the days in which the likes of Cass Pennant and Andy "Nightmare" Frain were still allowed to go to football matches, rather than acting in British B-movies and doing after-dinner speeches at rotary clubs. The hooligans have been priced out, financially, culturally and spiritually. And as anyone who's read Among the Thugs, Bill Buford's investigation into 80s football hooliganism (in which a Chelsea fan sucks out a CID officer's eyeball), would attest, that could be a good thing. But while football grounds might not be as nasty (or as fun, depending on your idea of fun) as they used to be, they've remained inherently partisan places in the face of this terminal pacification.

The occasional "vile chant" still gets past the stewards, the bigger clubs are still pulling people in through the doors and you might even get the occasional bit of agro, albeit in a "gotta make the last train" kind of way. Largely, watching football has become middle aged, rather than geriatric.

However, in more recent years there's been a slow creep away from the old notions of tribalism, towards a more civilised, more appreciative, worldly, non-partisan approach. If you've been to any few Premier League games in the last few years, you'll know football has largely become a little bit quiet, more about the threat of a number 10 than the threat of a 10-stretch. And nothing exemplifies this new breed of football fandom more than the phenomenon of "half and half" replica shirts, made with the colours two teams and worn proudly by an increasingly maligned sub-section of fans.

The most recent example of this would be the fetching Sunderland x Arsenal number at a game last weekend. But they've also been spotted at Liverpool v Hull, Chelsea v Man United and, internationally, Dortmund v Munich. Needless to say, this has caused a whole lot of consternation among the die-hards, with people accusing the 50/50 squad of being the personification of everything wrong with football, harbingers of some terrible dawn of neutrality. Most of the hate exists on Twitter and the occasional headsy blog right now, but be sure that as soon as it reaches the Talk Sport offices there'll be a three hour Call Collymore diatribe about it, in which Stan accuses the plastics of "ripping the heart and soul out of the working man's game".

Interestingly, half and half scarves have been a thing for a long time and have been pissing people off for a long time, but there was always the sense that they were novelty items, souvenirs for Tromsø fans not quite versed in the violent tribalism of British football. But in the climate of the modern game, the advent half and half shirts (god knows where you actually buy them) feels like a step further, not just a novelty, not just a souvenir, more of a statement. A signifier that you aren't reared in the old ways of bringing a gram to the match and a cosh to the away fans' pub after, that you're somehow more sophisticated than the others, that you love football, but not necessarily football culture. That you're a nice person. That you can appreciate the game for it's nuances, not its excesses – even if that means cheering on Sam Allardyce's Sunderland.

So where has this phenomenon come from? Well, like most things on the planet, the internet is partly to blame. I first heard about this wave of nu-objectivity when a friend told me he'd noticed a trend among the commenters on the football website he was working for: a slew of people who were seemingly supporting a different team every season. Apparently the fickle Barca fans had became Dortmund fans, then Atletico fans, and are now most likely into Sevilla or Zenit or PSG. The old concept of supporting your local club and following them to your dying day started to fade in the Ferguson era, but here were a new breed of fans whose allegiances were there to be bought by pass completion rates and fetching kits alone.

As tempting as it is to get up on your high horse about it, the truth is that half and half shirts, as they might be, are just a small manifestation of a much bigger issue in football: the separation between clubs and their traditional fanbases, and football's increasingly megalomaniacal, almost colonial ambitions. As global capitalism creeps further and further into the game, to the point where Cardiff City have to seriously think about emerging markets in Asia, the demographic of a club's fanbase will change and, with that, so will the people in the stadium. Hence, the half and half shirts, which are really just a symptom of globalisation, along with Liverpool-themed weddings in Singapore; Barcelona shirts becoming a staple piece of the "euro-normcore" swag; The Indian Super League; decreasing volumes in stadiums; and any number of recent happenings.

The Independent's football writer, Jack Pitt-Brooke, explains: "The number one story here is the breaking of the traditional link between clubs and their local area. The accessibility of info, live matches and merchandise means that it is very easy to support any team from anywhere in the world. Even the things that used to set match-going aside – the chants, the angry fans – are now all over the internet. There is very little about the match-going experience at Chelsea, City or whatever – beyond the physically being there – that you can't experience from Tokyo, or wherever."

But this is a story that goes way beyond just the chat rooms on Ronaldo 7 streams, the Guardian podcast and those "Messi – The Little Wizard Goals, Skills and Assists" videos on YouTube. It's a story that starts with the most famous football team of all time, moves through the television era and will most likely end with the change of football as we know it.

Enis Koylu, a football writer at Goal.com, explains: "The first time we saw the old ties to clubs breaking down was the 1990s with Manchester United, but it's not purely down to Ferguson and his team's success. It was also a natural consequence of the Champions League, not just a great competition, but an incredibly glamorous one, which brought with it global broadcasting. Famous names such as Juventus, AC Milan and Real Madrid, which people across the world would only have heard of and read about, were beamed into the homes of billions of new people, and it became possible to follow teams from faraway lands on a weekly basis."

Why did football clubs need to reach fans beyond their own ends? To make more money. And the simple fact is that by appealing to people who have no geographical or familial links to football clubs, you're going to have offer them football as an experience, not an obligation. With ever-rising ticket prices, and ever-rising TV sports package prices, simply expecting people to pay their shillings at the turnstyle out of some sense of tribal duty just isn't feasible any more. You've got to offer them football as something closer to the WWE, or a U2 concert, or Derren Brown: Live. And to do that, you're going to have to take away the rough edges and let these new fans do it the way they want. Because the customer is always right. It's first-day-at-your-Business-Studies-GNVQ stuff.

"The more people who go to games as a one-off experience, rather than a routine – never mind an obligation – the more they are going to want mementos, the more they are going to want selfies and a fully Hollywood experience. If you fly 5,000 miles to see City, or Spurs, or Fulham, or anyone, you are going to want to celebrate being there. And that means celebrating the opposition, too, I think," says Jack Pitt-Brooke.

On a personal level, I find it hard to pour too much scorn on this new generation of fans. Firstly, because judging from Stamford Bridge, at least, the tourists aren't the only quiet ones. That's not to say that Chelsea are badly supported, but there are simply too many people who've been there too long, who know how to read every move in the game, who know exactly when to join the beer queue at half-time, who have perfectly streamlined their commutes home over years. Granted, there are plenty of fans who do go for it, but blaming a lack of atmosphere on the day-trippers seems fallacious, and getting pissed off about a tiny, tiny minority of people in half and half shirts seems, in all honesty, a little bit xenophobic and nativist, especially when some of your longest-serving fans are bumming the place out even more so.

Secondly, football is a wonderful thing, and just because your culture doesn't dictate that you should be totally indoctrinated in it from the day you were born and given "Zola" as your middle name, doesn't mean you shouldn't be welcomed with open arms.

As Pitt Brooke says: "This is a two-way street. How many English people do you know who have similar shallow, flexible 'attachments' to foreign teams? I am literally the owner of: St Pauli socks, a Napoli gilet, a Dortmund scarf, an 1860 Munich pint glass, a Bayern pint glass, etc. I have Porto and Club Brugge stickers on my laptop. These foreign clubs – and their own cultures – are very attractive to English fans who have access to the same material that foreigners have of the PL. I wonder if you spoke to a Dortmund, Hamburg or Feyenoord fan if they'd complain about English stag-dos and students taking up their seats, pushing up prices, spoiling the atmosphere, etc."

Problem is, what exactly is a football club when it's cutting ties with its local area, trying to attract a more affluent fanbase than its traditional working class one and generally more interested in running itself like a business above all else? Well, it's just a brand. A brand that plays football. Standard Chartered with a stadium. And that's where it gets a little bit worrying.

Because the more football clubs move away from being sporting representations of the parts of the world they inhabit, carrying the hopes of the towns and cities that birthed them, the more they just become abstract, rootless, money-making machines offering you a service of fluctuating quality. They become Pret, essentially. Just a thing that's there that's quite expensive and mostly a bit disappointing, yet you still seem to go for it anyway, if only for a bit of a cheap thrill. However, the entire thrill of football should rely on having to support a team, for whatever reason that may be. Because football with neutrality is like sex without romance, inherently pleasurable, but lacking the life and death factor that really makes it worth it. Football is always better when there's feelings involved. If you want the highs to be as high as possible, it's being there for the third round replays that will take the game to the next level, not supporting a team whose manager you like the most.

What the solution is, I'm not sure. Investing more in local communities seems like a good place to start. Trying to rouse the crowd, playing football that makes it seem as if this might be more than a business trying to tick-over by playing it safe on the pitch, explaining what it is to really believe in a team to newcomers, your players getting pissed with the fans more often? Who knows. Maybe it is terminal. Maybe we should all just become Pune City fans before we start to look like Johnny-come-latelys. But what's absolutely certain is that it's not the half and half shirts that are responsible for football becoming less exciting, but the clubs and the associations who are trying to disconnect football from the unfortunate truth: that football, at its best, is a pursuit for masochists and sadists, not aesthetes.

It's the pain that makes the game worth it, not the passing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Thursday, October 29, 2015, 20:56:06
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/half-and-half-football-shirts-clive-martin-889 (http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/half-and-half-football-shirts-clive-martin-889)

Thanks KT, interesting stuff.

I misread and pictured prog super drummer Bill Bruford as footy hoolie! The only half and half top I've seen has been the Town-Hartlepool (I think) guy who, presumably, has a two-fold local community connection (if that can be 100% possible). Also, I had a friend who in the late 70s and early 80s seemed to change his team regularly - WBA and Man City spring to mind - to be different and because there was a 'cult' element around it. While there are undoubtedly issues with modern Premier League football (also, non-English fans seem much more passionate in their support both home and away in the Champions' League), I think the bigger crisis is the continual failure of lower league clubs to get attendances close to capacity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, November 1, 2015, 20:21:18
http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/steven-gerrards-famous-38-second-red-card-was-smashed-by-this-stockport-substitute-video/23155


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 09:35:17
Perhaps this is more a media thing, but I'm sick to the back teeth of the colour of someone's skin being such a fucking issue.

I'm not trying to imply it's not an issue, but that perhaps to make it less of an issue, we need to stop bleating on about it, especially when it's not a race issue. And I think we also need to stop giving linage to those that have a vested interest in ensuring there is an issue.

I don't know exactly how to get my point across, or indeed what my point is, but I think Morgan Freeman said something along the lines of, stop talking about people by the colour of their skin and a lot of the problems go away. Or words to that effect.

There's just something that grates me about the whole "racism in football" thing and the various agendas at play. I think I've just become blind to the real facts and I'm no longer sure the correct messages are getting across.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34730265


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 09:37:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 10:25:25
Perhaps this is more a media thing, but I'm sick to the back teeth of the colour of someone's skin being such a fucking issue.

I'm not trying to imply it's not an issue, but that perhaps to make it less of an issue, we need to stop bleating on about it, especially when it's not a race issue. And I think we also need to stop giving linage to those that have a vested interest in ensuring there is an issue.

I don't know exactly how to get my point across, or indeed what my point is, but I think Morgan Freeman said something along the lines of, stop talking about people by the colour of their skin and a lot of the problems go away. Or words to that effect.

There's just something that grates me about the whole "racism in football" thing and the various agendas at play. I think I've just become blind to the real facts and I'm no longer sure the correct messages are getting across.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34730265

Spot on. My first thought after Powell and Ramsay went were "Jason Roberts is gonna have a field day". It's not an issue of race at all! There may be some race issues in the game sure, but this doesn't help at all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 10:28:03
 I would have preferred Chris Ramsey to Martin Ling...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 10:55:39
I was going to mention this in the managerial thread but didn't want to.

You weren't sacked because of the colour of your skin, you were sacked because you performed badly.

Await for Sol Campbell or Clarke Carlisle to make an announcement shortly...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 11:06:56
I would have preferred Chris Ramsey to Martin Ling...

Racist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 11:58:20
Perhaps this is more a media thing, but I'm sick to the back teeth of the colour of someone's skin being such a fucking issue.

I'm not trying to imply it's not an issue, but that perhaps to make it less of an issue, we need to stop bleating on about it, especially when it's not a race issue. And I think we also need to stop giving linage to those that have a vested interest in ensuring there is an issue.

I don't know exactly how to get my point across, or indeed what my point is, but I think Morgan Freeman said something along the lines of, stop talking about people by the colour of their skin and a lot of the problems go away. Or words to that effect.

There's just something that grates me about the whole "racism in football" thing and the various agendas at play. I think I've just become blind to the real facts and I'm no longer sure the correct messages are getting across.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34730265
The glaringly obvious point that appears to have been overlooked by Troy Townsend is that if the people that employed Chris Powell and Chris Ramsey sacked them because of their colour they wouldn't have employed them as managers in the first place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 12:41:54
I would have preferred Chris Ramsey to Martin Ling...

I always thought Hebburn was quite funny but not sure if he is manager material.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 12:44:22
I was going to mention this in the managerial thread but didn't want to.

You weren't sacked because of the colour of your skin, you were sacked because you performed badly.

Await for Sol Campbell or Clarke Carlisle to make an announcement shortly...

Did I imagine that Sol Campbell was supposed to be running to be an MP or something?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 12:45:47
Did I imagine that Sol Campbell was supposed to be running to be an MP or something?



London mayor.

He's a tory, doesn't want to pay too much tax on his 34 mill fortune or property portfolio.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 12:57:57
People wonder there seems little team spirit in the French national team?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34731780


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 12:58:36
London mayor.

He's a tory, doesn't want to pay too much tax on his 34 mill fortune or property portfolio.

Isn't the Tory candidate Zac Goldsmith... bloody racists!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 5, 2015, 13:40:41
The glaringly obvious point that appears to have been overlooked by Troy Townsend is that if the people that employed Chris Powell and Chris Ramsey sacked them because of their colour they wouldn't have employed them as managers in the first place.

Yup. I don't doubt for a second that there's a race issue in football management appointments, but this is an utterly daft line of argument for the obvious reason you mentioned.

Wouldn't have minded seeing either man here mind. Would probably have been in the picture if they'd been sacked a fortnight ago.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 6, 2015, 07:49:45
Interesting just heard an interview from the DOF  who appears to have been heavily involved in sacking.... Les Ferdinand...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Friday, November 6, 2015, 07:55:37
Clearly a choc ice, it's the only possible explanation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red and Proud on Friday, November 6, 2015, 08:06:35
London mayor.

He's a tory, doesn't want to pay too much tax on his 34 mill fortune or property portfolio.
Neither do your socialist mates it would seem. Funny what having money does to people and what it does to those who don't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 6, 2015, 11:27:57
And who's top of the Championship currently? Chris Hughton, a black manager. You don't get the results, you lose your job. You do well, you keep your job, regardless of skin colour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, November 6, 2015, 12:41:11
I don't think Cooper asked "Is it cos I is white?" when he got sacked did he?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, November 6, 2015, 13:37:49
I don't think Cooper asked "Is it cos I is white?" when he got sacked did he?

Not quite the same is it !

I have mixed feelings on the issue tbh. On the one hand, I'm pretty sure the managers in question were sacked for not winning enough games, but on the other hand, I don't think that is the main point being made. The main point is that there aren't enough BME coaches and now there are even fewer, which is unarguable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: SuperBosnian on Friday, November 6, 2015, 13:51:41
Ramsey's sacking was justified, Chris Powell's was pretty harsh. Huddersfield are small fry at that level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, November 6, 2015, 14:53:44
Not quite the same is it !

I have mixed feelings on the issue tbh. On the one hand, I'm pretty sure the managers in question were sacked for not winning enough games, but on the other hand, I don't think that is the main point being made. The main point is that there aren't enough BME coaches and now there are even fewer, which is unarguable.

Completely agree. The problem isn't really at the top, where black managers are given a fair crack of the whip. The problem is still far too few black players moving through into coaching. The article says BME players: 25% / senior coaches: 4%.

Tha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Friday, November 6, 2015, 15:20:37
Completely agree. The problem isn't really at the top, where black managers are given a fair crack of the whip. The problem is still far too few black players moving through into coaching. The article says BME players: 25% / senior coaches: 4%.

Tha

Why is it too few? It suggests there might be an issue, nothing more IMO. As I said last time this came up, unless you know how many black players are going on to do their coaching badges, the 4% figure is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, November 6, 2015, 15:37:09
Why is it too few? It suggests there might be an issue, nothing more IMO. As I said last time this came up, unless you know how many black players are going on to do their coaching badges, the 4% figure is irrelevant.

Sorry, thought I'd cancelled that before posting it as I can see why people get annoyed when there surely wasn't any race issue involved in those sackings. It was just a convenient hook for a campaigner to publicise the wider issue.

To answer your question though, I don't know how many black players are taking their badges, but if the proportion of high-level black coaches is so far below that of black players, then that's a lot of BME players not moving up the coaching ladder, which would at least indicate there might an issue around progression, as you say.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, November 6, 2015, 15:54:17
This is all very silly to me. Everybody is an individual, no matter what colour they are. Who is to say what career a player should take after their playing days are over? You could probably find similar statistics about the number of coloured players not running pubs instead?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, November 6, 2015, 16:12:37
This is all very silly to me. Everybody is an individual, no matter what colour they are. Who is to say what career a player should take after their playing days are over? You could probably find similar statistics about the number of coloured players not running pubs instead?

Ha ha. Right, that would be a valid comparison wouldn't it. Given that 100% of black footballers had spent their career up to retirement in, um, football, it seems relevant to compare like with like (proportions of players : coaches).

Not saying it's necessarily a problem of racism in football, but maybe of equality of opportunity in society. FWIW I think things are probably improving, but it's an oil-tanker that's turning very slowly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Friday, November 6, 2015, 16:29:36
Sorry, thought I'd cancelled that before posting it as I can see why people get annoyed when there surely wasn't any race issue involved in those sackings. It was just a convenient hook for a campaigner to publicise the wider issue.

To answer your question though, I don't know how many black players are taking their badges, but if the proportion of high-level black coaches is so far below that of black players, then that's a lot of BME players not moving up the coaching ladder, which would at least indicate there might an issue around progression, as you say.

It just seems nonsensical to even have the conversation, when we don't even have all the facts. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere, although I wouldn't say I've read that much on it.

It could just be that black players aren't as interested in coaching, or that they are less likely to try because they perceive they won't be given a chance. We also have to realise there will be a time lapse as today's managers and coaches could have been player's in the 70/80s, when there were less black players and different attitudes.

I'd give it more credence if there were black coaches saying they can't get jobs/move up the ladder, but all I've seen is people moaning there aren't enough black managers. Maybe I'm wrong(it's happened before).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, November 6, 2015, 16:44:38
It could just be that black players aren't as interested in coaching, or that they are less likely to try because they perceive they won't be given a chance. We also have to realise there will be a time lapse as today's managers and coaches could have been player's in the 70/80s, when there were less black players and different attitudes.

That's where I was headed with my comment. Good post.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Friday, November 6, 2015, 16:49:08
Lots of black French players. How many of them have become managers?

Think Jean Tigana did quite well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, November 6, 2015, 17:05:06
It just seems nonsensical to even have the conversation, when we don't even have all the facts. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere, although I wouldn't say I've read that much on it.

It could just be that black players aren't as interested in coaching, or that they are less likely to try because they perceive they won't be given a chance. We also have to realise there will be a time lapse as today's managers and coaches could have been player's in the 70/80s, when there were less black players and different attitudes.

I'd give it more credence if there were black coaches saying they can't get jobs/move up the ladder, but all I've seen is people moaning there aren't enough black managers. Maybe I'm wrong(it's happened before).

You've just given two potential reasons there why there aren't more BME managers, that's not quite disagreeing with people that say it's in issue that needs addressing!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, November 6, 2015, 17:34:38
I call racism against the English, because only 25% of managers in the Premier league are English.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Friday, November 6, 2015, 17:49:24
You've just given two potential reasons there why there aren't more BME managers, that's not quite disagreeing with people that say it's in issue that needs addressing!

I gave three potential reasons. I've no idea how correct they are, I put them forward purely for balance.

It needs investigating to establish what is causing the disparity, otherwise we're just shouting 'sort it out!' without knowing what the problem is, or even if there is one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, November 6, 2015, 17:59:32
I gave three potential reasons. I've no idea how correct they are, I put them forward purely for balance.

It needs investigating to establish what is causing the disparity, otherwise we're just shouting 'sort it out!' without knowing what the problem is, or even if there is one.

I'm really not crying "sort it out". I just can't help biting every time race and football comes up on the TEF and people confidently say it's a non-issue. Given none of us know all our facts, I think that's a more extreme view than saying, well it might be an issue.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ironside on Friday, November 6, 2015, 18:08:59
Sorry, thought I'd cancelled that before posting it as I can see why people get annoyed when there surely wasn't any race issue involved in those sackings. It was just a convenient hook for a campaigner to publicise the wider issue.

To answer your question though, I don't know how many black players are taking their badges, but if the proportion of high-level black coaches is so far below that of black players, then that's a lot of BME players not moving up the coaching ladder, which would at least indicate there might an issue around progression, as you say.
What? Like the issue of freedom of choice? The choice not to take their coaching badges and retire on their millions?

What about the freedom of choice to take their coaching badges and have the self awareness to recognise they aren't interested or capable of going into management at the highest level of the game?

What about the freedom of choice to decide that they could make a difference at the grass roots level of the game on the streets of Luton or Soweto or Accra?

What about the freedom of choice to decide they would like to pursue a different career when they hang up their boots (not unlike many people do when they reach their mid-30's)

What do you want to do? Enforce some kind of quota system to make some black people do a job they don't want to do?

I'm interested in finding out the answer and not having a go.

Football always has been an industry in which the cream will rise to the top which has been proven on the pitch in the last two decades. That was driven by the various 'kick it out' campaigns. Considering these campaigns were driven by the footballing authorities and with the full support of the clubs (albeit mainly for commercial reasons rather than any altruistic motive), I don't see the argument that there is an issue in English football about a lack of ethnic managers. Plenty have been given the opportunity, and plenty have failed.

On the pitch we say if they're good enough they'll make it. Surely the same applies off it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, November 6, 2015, 21:21:38
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34674206

The media gushing over this lot because the fucking "class of 92" are co-owners. In fact the football media's love-in with everything Man U fucking nited.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Friday, November 6, 2015, 22:22:11
What? Like the issue of freedom of choice? The choice not to take their coaching badges and retire on their millions?

What about the freedom of choice to take their coaching badges and have the self awareness to recognise they aren't interested or capable of going into management at the highest level of the game?

What about the freedom of choice to decide that they could make a difference at the grass roots level of the game on the streets of Luton or Soweto or Accra?

What about the freedom of choice to decide they would like to pursue a different career when they hang up their boots (not unlike many people do when they reach their mid-30's)

What do you want to do? Enforce some kind of quota system to make some black people do a job they don't want to do?

I'm interested in finding out the answer and not having a go.

Football always has been an industry in which the cream will rise to the top which has been proven on the pitch in the last two decades. That was driven by the various 'kick it out' campaigns. Considering these campaigns were driven by the footballing authorities and with the full support of the clubs (albeit mainly for commercial reasons rather than any altruistic motive), I don't see the argument that there is an issue in English football about a lack of ethnic managers. Plenty have been given the opportunity, and plenty have failed.

On the pitch we say if they're good enough they'll make it. Surely the same applies off it?

Much more eloquent than I said

 :nod:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, November 6, 2015, 22:31:41
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34674206

The media gushing over this lot because the fucking "class of 92" are co-owners. In fact the football media's love-in with everything Man U fucking nited.

This is annoying me too, particularly as the Beeb seem to be insisting on dressing it up like they're actually supporting non league football. Patronising fucks.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 02:06:22
What? Like the issue of freedom of choice? The choice not to take their coaching badges and retire on their millions?

What about the freedom of choice to take their coaching badges and have the self awareness to recognise they aren't interested or capable of going into management at the highest level of the game?

What about the freedom of choice to decide that they could make a difference at the grass roots level of the game on the streets of Luton or Soweto or Accra?

What about the freedom of choice to decide they would like to pursue a different career when they hang up their boots (not unlike many people do when they reach their mid-30's)

What do you want to do? Enforce some kind of quota system to make some black people do a job they don't want to do?

I'm interested in finding out the answer and not having a go.

Football always has been an industry in which the cream will rise to the top which has been proven on the pitch in the last two decades. That was driven by the various 'kick it out' campaigns. Considering these campaigns were driven by the footballing authorities and with the full support of the clubs (albeit mainly for commercial reasons rather than any altruistic motive), I don't see the argument that there is an issue in English football about a lack of ethnic managers. Plenty have been given the opportunity, and plenty have failed.

On the pitch we say if they're good enough they'll make it. Surely the same applies off it?

Ooh look who's just crawled out from under their Front National stone.

I must be doing something right.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 11:42:02
This is annoying me too, particularly as the Beeb seem to be insisting on dressing it up like they're actually supporting non league football. Patronising fucks.

What a load of bollocks. Salford beating Notts County was just a classic Fa Cup first round upset and good on Giggs, Butt, Scholes and the Nevilles for putting money into a small local club like Salford City. You can see from the recent BBC doc about the club that they are down to earth owners who are determined to see SCFC rise through the pyramid.

Perhaps they should have just sat on their millions and done nothing? That'd have really put some smiles on faces.

Some people need to lighten up, would love Tøwn to have owners like them, real football people with the clubs interests at heart. Not a pop at Power that by the way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 12:59:57
 ^^ Agree. Fair play to Salford, deserved the win


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 13:16:06
I struggle to see how five blokes (four of them born locally) investing in their local non-league team is bad for football. It's not like they are throwing money around willy nilly (their record signing was 5k and half of that was based on promotion).
Surely that's better than Foreign Billionaires buying up our clubs.

How many times have we suggested it would be great for a rich person from Swindon to buy our club.

As for the Beeb's interest, in fairness they have just done a two-part documentary (which was widely praised on the Telly Programs thread on here) about the club, so hardly surprising they promoted that & Salford's game.


I'm assuming those who are so anti would have preferred them to buy a league team (Northampton perhaps) and relocate them to Salford.


I get the anti-Man Utd feeling, with their fans arrogance and feeling that they somehow deserve to be winning the league every year (a bit like Liverpool fans of the 70/80's).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 14:06:53
Spot on Posh. Hopefully Salford get a good draw in round 2 and they'll be back on the box.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 15:09:38
The Salford documentary was a real eye opener.

I refused to watch it at first as I thought, here we go 5 ex Man U players throwing their money about.

I watched it on I player and was really impressed on how passionate they were.

Fair play to them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 15:21:54
The Northampton chairman :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-34750400


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 16:05:58
I struggle to see how five blokes (four of them born locally) investing in their local non-league team is bad for football. It's not like they are throwing money around willy nilly (their record signing was 5k and half of that was based on promotion).
Surely that's better than Foreign Billionaires buying up our clubs.

How many times have we suggested it would be great for a rich person from Swindon to buy our club.

As for the Beeb's interest, in fairness they have just done a two-part documentary (which was widely praised on the Telly Programs thread on here) about the club, so hardly surprising they promoted that & Salford's game.


I'm assuming those who are so anti would have preferred them to buy a league team (Northampton perhaps) and relocate them to Salford.


I get the anti-Man Utd feeling, with their fans arrogance and feeling that they somehow deserve to be winning the league every year (a bit like Liverpool fans of the 70/80's).
Who's anti? All credit to them for doing what they are doing.......and, yes, I'm sure we'd all love a few (rich) ex-Town players to invest in the club.

My point is that the media, and the BBC in particular, are gushing all over them just because it's Man U players involved. If it were any other group of players (unless it involved other media darlings like Gerrard) I doubt we'd have the same level of enthusiasm from the BEEB.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 17:52:30
What a load of bollocks. Salford beating Notts County was just a classic Fa Cup first round upset and good on Giggs, Butt, Scholes and the Nevilles for putting money into a small local club like Salford City. You can see from the recent BBC doc about the club that they are down to earth owners who are determined to see SCFC rise through the pyramid.

Perhaps they should have just sat on their millions and done nothing? That'd have really put some smiles on faces.

Some people need to lighten up, would love Tøwn to have owners like them, real football people with the clubs interests at heart. Not a pop at Power that by the way.

Ha, I didn't say it was a bad thing they took over the club. I just said the coverage of it is annoying. Nothing to do with the validity of what they're doing or what I'd like to happen at Town.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 18:12:34
The Northampton chairman :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-34750400

Quite amazing really. Are there no uncorrupted people anymore?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 18:15:34
Very few - especially football club owners.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 18:31:18
Ha, I didn't say it was a bad thing they took over the club. I just said the coverage of it is annoying. Nothing to do with the validity of what they're doing or what I'd like to happen at Town.

What 'coverage'? They featured Salford City in a two part documentary, which was brilliant viewing. Then they reported on them beating a league club in the cup? Hardly going over board. Not really fit for 'what's wrong with football'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 18:50:41
What 'coverage'? They featured Salford City in a two part documentary, which was brilliant viewing. Then they reported on them beating a league club in the cup? Hardly going over board. Not really fit for 'what's wrong with football'.
Yeah, because every non-league club gets the odd two part documentary made about them don't they......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 19:14:55
It's not exactly a normal story is it? Well worth making a programme as the people involved are in the public eye.

Most if not all the people I've spoken to about really enjoyed it, no matter the individual's club loyalty.

Don't watch it or give it any time of day if you're not interested.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 19:18:40
Have we had a documentary about the dongs yet?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 19:23:15
What 'coverage'? They featured Salford City in a two part documentary, which was brilliant viewing. Then they reported on them beating a league club in the cup? Hardly going over board. Not really fit for 'what's wrong with football'.

There's been news stories about them from most outlets, and the post was made before the FA Cup win.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 19:40:31
It's not exactly a normal story is it? Well worth making a programme as the people involved are in the public eye.

Most if not all the people I've spoken to about really enjoyed it, no matter the individual's club loyalty.

Don't watch it or give it any time of day if you're not interested.
I didn't watch it and don't actually give a shit about Salford. You're right....it's not a normal story - which kind of backs up my point. It's only a story because it's ex-Man U players are involved, the class of fucking 92, the golden boys, the ones that the BBC have been creaming over for the last 20 odd years. The point being that the BBC has an obsession with everything Man U.

If most people enjoyed it then whoopeedoo. It's all about opinions....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 19:57:40
There's been news stories about them from most outlets, and the post was made before the FA Cup win.

S'okay Ells. It's his time of the month. He is Scottish after all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 20:02:37
not noticed in your face coverage of them myself either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 21:55:03
There's been news stories about them from most outlets, and the post was made before the FA Cup win.

Like Batch I have to say I've not noticed the other coverage. But then again I don't watch sky, don't buy newspapers. Only bits I've seen is from the Beeb.

And as for the BBC creaming themselves over Manchester Utd for the last twenty years I don't think that's the case. Perhaps they were interested in a top class bunch of English (and Welsh) lads coming through the ranks and representing their countries was of slight interest.

Think the media 'cream themselves' over a lot of things,nthe coverage Liverpool received the day they were supposed to win the league was ridiculous, almost as stupid as Gerrard's slip.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 22:01:52
Gerrard cam for his final game was an absolute pisstake. The fawning was a load of shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Sunday, November 8, 2015, 00:01:55
Top headline on bbc sport is about whether Moyes is about to be sacked at R Sociedad. If he hadn't taken over Man Utd there's no way that'd be up there in "news"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, November 8, 2015, 00:20:50
Watch the old Town v United highlights.

United score first and the commentary says "There's number one"...

Always been biased.

I enjoyed the game last night but I wanted Notts County to hammer them as all the reporting was getting on my tits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, November 8, 2015, 18:44:59
Watch the old Town v United highlights.

United score first and the commentary says "There's number one"...

Didn't help that the game came a week after we had lost 7-1 at Newcastle.
If I remember correctly most people thought Man Utd were going to play a reserve team against us & still win comfortably. Fortunately neither happened :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, November 8, 2015, 21:39:28
Celtic fans booing the minutes silence. These cunts want to play in England do they? Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, November 9, 2015, 08:43:35
Celtic fans booing the minutes silence. These cunts want to play in England do they? Fuck off.

I've got no problems with why people with Irish roots would refuse to wear a Poppy. However, I do think some of the Celtic fans who boo do it simply because they support Celtic and feel that it's the cool thing to do. Football tribalism eh.

Can you imagine Celtic in English football? The 'God Save *Your* Queen' chant wouldn't get tiresome at all........


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 9, 2015, 11:08:20
Pathetic, again and again. Up the gers  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, November 9, 2015, 11:38:03
Didn't help that the game came a week after we had lost 7-1 at Newcastle.
If I remember correctly most people thought Man Utd were going to play a reserve team against us & still win comfortably. Fortunately neither happened :)

When Nijholt equalised .....

BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE THEY MAY BE ..... BUT THEY ARE MADE OF STERN STUFF!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, November 9, 2015, 14:00:20
Bournemouth set for U.S investment. FFS did the Russian not give them enough?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, November 9, 2015, 14:09:34
Bournemouth set for U.S investment. FFS did the Russian not give them enough?!

Don't think I'd be happier for any team to go down than them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:16:16
http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/this-desperate-fans-plea-is-surely-the-most-embarrassing-moment-of-the-season-video/25432


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:20:57
Don't think I'd be happier for any team to go down than them

Is the facade of plucky little Bournemouth finally slipping a little

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34776662


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 17:29:36
Is the facade of plucky little Bournemouth finally slipping a little

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34776662

Saw that. "Fairytale for them to reach the Premiership" Bollocks, they bought their way up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 19:06:33
Surprise surprise....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34788646


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 20:05:44
Excellent news, look forward to watching that. Good choice BBC.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 20:32:55
Excellent news, look forward to watching that. Good choice BBC.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MDEwQBGL--/18iwa6wc61vrsjpg.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 20:55:26
Top headline on bbc sport is about whether Moyes is about to be sacked at R Sociedad. If he hadn't taken over Man Utd there's no way that'd be up there in "news"
I couldn't help noticing the headline on the BBC site when he was sacked:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34756773

 8)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 18:09:31
WTF? EFL...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34800391


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 18:10:52
That'll please the Cardiff fans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 18:14:13
That's the Bristol clubs out of the league as well then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 19:26:57
I've come to the conclusion that the thing that is wrong with football is that Swindon are shite at the moment.

If we win the next 10 games everything will immediately be alright with football again :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 19:44:09
I'm worried that I'm rapidly falling into 'couldn't give a shit' mode.

Mrs Audrey asked about Scunny on Saturday and I was using the weather forecast as an excuse for not going.

I'm a bad fan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 20:11:48
I'm making more of an effort to go to the pub before the game at the moment, at least that I way I get a few hours of beer and not just 90 mins of shit football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 20:16:10
I'm off the booze for the foreseeable future so watching Swindon fully sober is hardly enticing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 20:22:13
30th jan before my next visit. We'll be top by then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 20:47:19
(http://i.imgur.com/7kE2htd.jpg) (http://imgur.com/7kE2htd)

No other words necessary


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 21:09:01
Someone should send them the story about Wimbledon, the original Crazy Gang. Now that is a story...but they'll probably get the wrong end of the stick and become Franchise fans !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 21:34:14
I wish I didn't read that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 21:49:09
WTF? EFL...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34800391

Fucking twats.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 22:14:45
I'm off the booze for the foreseeable future so watching Swindon fully sober is hardly enticing

Its never been very advisable. I was wishing I could get pissed sometimes when I was 10.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 12, 2015, 22:40:24
I'm off the booze for the foreseeable future so watching Swindon fully sober is hardly enticing
Likewise... Hence why I have not been to any of the north west away games this year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Friday, November 13, 2015, 16:31:31
Anyone remotely interested in England v Spain this evening?

I'll be watching Ireland v Boz Herz


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, November 13, 2015, 16:34:25
Far more interested in watching England v Spain in a friendly than I am England v Lithuania in a tournament


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 13, 2015, 16:56:26
Quote from: Pleasantly Plump Chang
Anyone remotely interested in England v Spain this evening?

didn't know we were playing. have zero interest in it. I'll get my tippy tappy fanny flick football quota tomorrow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 13, 2015, 17:09:22
Anyone remotely interested in England v Spain this evening?

I'll be watching Ireland v Boz Herz

I'd have watched but quizzing tonight. Spain are in transition, but still have some talent coming through, England have some steady enough players, but no one of world class.

Young players like Ross Barkley, show some promise, but it's a long way up to be a complete player...

Ireland v Bosnia shows everything wrong with Platini following the Blatter model of pandering to the minnows and creating a bloated tournament full of moderate sides, for largesse and votes.

Euros were good when it was 8 teams playing 14 matches....back in the 70's/80's no need for postponing the Saturday fixtures.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, November 13, 2015, 18:36:36
Anyone remotely interested in England v Spain this evening?

Will be worth watching if the Irish Independent's predicted line-up turns out to be correct.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTs-twwXAAAuA3g.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, November 13, 2015, 18:42:19
Will be worth watching if the Irish Independent's predicted line-up turns out to be correct.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTs-twwXAAAuA3g.jpg)

 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, November 13, 2015, 18:44:33
oh Jesus, just seen its children in need. perhaps I'll watch it after all


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 11:34:54
Don't be a cunt

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34918888


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 11:37:49
Don't be a cunt

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34918888

I'm going to take what i read in that article and lock it away somewhere in the deepest recesses of my mind, never to be found again.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 11:41:49
I'm going to take what i read in that article and lock it away somewhere in the deepest recesses of my mind, never to be found again.



What do you mean?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 25, 2015, 11:47:12
What do you mean?

No idea.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 13:13:40
Bolton and now Oldham not been able to pay their players on time this month, wonder how many more are struggling to play players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 13:19:20
Not surprised. Bolton are £172m in debt - can't understand how they keep going owing that amount. Any other business would have gone bust by now.

Yet, there's Man City just sold 13% of the club to the Chinese for £239m. Tis a mad world


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 13:22:13
Not surprised. Bolton are £172m in debt - can't understand how they keep going owing that amount.

How much of that debt is real, and how much of it is owed back to the owners.

Yes both liabilities, but I guess the pressure/structure to pay the owners back are far less than external business


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:00:49
How much of that debt is real, and how much of it is owed back to the owners.

Yes both liabilities, but I guess the pressure/structure to pay the owners back are far less than external business

According to Wakipedia...

'Bolton's debt is substantial, at £136.5m as at the end of the 2012–13 season, but £125m of this is owed to majority shareholder Eddie Davies, with only £11.5m due to external organisations. The debt has climbed rapidly from £29m at the start of the 2007–08 season when Gary Megson was installed as manager, who embarked upon a substantial spending spree in an attempt to prevent the club suffering relegation from the Premier League. In response to this rapid increase, the debt owed to Eddie Davies was renegotiated from short-term to long-term debt during the 2011–12 season, meaning the club would have 10 years from demand of repayment to satisfy the debt and any interest accumulated.'

Not really sure what happened at Bolton, they have gone from what appeared to be a reasonably well run outfit to something like a smaller scale Leeds disaster....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:27:18
So, in 2 further seasons since those figures were released they have managed to increase their debt by another £36m.

With L1 also looming I'd say the correct financial outlook is . . .

They are fucked!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:39:50
Not surprised. Bolton are £172m in debt
£185m according to the insolvency bloke brought in to sort it all out.

http://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/article/an-update-from-trevor-birch-2816129.aspx

But the owner will write it all off if a buyer can be found. In the meantime, he's pulled the plug on further funding, hence the wages hiccup. He's doing an Andrew Black, basically


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:40:51
I don't blame him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:45:10
Wonder how Eckersley feels. May have been a smaller wage here but at least he'd get it on time! Well I'm speculating that Oldham offered more.... But I'd be surprised if they didn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:46:04
So, in 2 further seasons since those figures were released they have managed to increase their debt by another £36m.

With L1 also looming I'd say the correct financial outlook is . . .

They are fucked!

Funnily enough, you don't hear much from Phil Gartside lately...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:54:56
Funnily enough, you don't hear much from Phil Gartside lately...

Mostly because he's seriously ill.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 14:57:44
Is there a jovial illness then?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 15:00:05
Is there a jovial illness then?

Yeah, what Sepp Blatter had.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 17:43:43
Bolton and now Oldham not been able to pay their players on time this month, wonder how many more are struggling to play players

And some on here still want STFC to show "ambition" i.e spending money you don't have ...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 17:57:53
TBF, I think some want the club to spend money we do have - or at least, did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 18:16:22
According to Wakipedia...

'Bolton's debt is substantial, at £136.5m as at the end of the 2012–13 season, but £125m of this is owed to majority shareholder Eddie Davies, with only £11.5m due to external organisations. The debt has climbed rapidly from £29m at the start of the 2007–08 season when Gary Megson was installed as manager, who embarked upon a substantial spending spree in an attempt to prevent the club suffering relegation from the Premier League. In response to this rapid increase, the debt owed to Eddie Davies was renegotiated from short-term to long-term debt during the 2011–12 season, meaning the club would have 10 years from demand of repayment to satisfy the debt and any interest accumulated.'

Not really sure what happened at Bolton, they have gone from what appeared to be a reasonably well run outfit to something like a smaller scale Leeds disaster....

Not sure they were ever well run.  They got a boon from selling Burnden Park and then getting a long term deal with Reebok for the new stadium.  Outside of that Davies has been funding losses for a decade or more.


Title: Re:
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 20:01:42
This is the fundamental problem with football that the vast majority of clubs live beyond their means and it gets funded by owner loans (technically repayble) or share capital which only generates a return if you can sell at a profit.

There's huge pressure from fans for owners to 'invest' in their clubs or to compete financially with the other clubs in their league. When that doesn't happen or the money runs out then the aggro starts. Supporters enjoy the ride and rarely question how it's paid for.

Bolton have enjoyed their 'glory years' with a long run in the Premier League but you're only one or two bad managerial appointments (Owen Coyle) from disaster. If you don't get back up with the parachute payments then you're buggered. Of course you're one good appointment e.g. Eddie Howe with some investment from the promised land.

I can see another Pompey slide here unless they can turn it around in League 1 next year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 20:11:39
I blame john mcginlay. The fat twat


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 20:31:46
They aren't helping themselves by having a Heskey/Ameobi strikeforce


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 20:51:52
I can see another Pompey slide here unless they can turn it around in League 1 next year.

I just can see a Pompey slide...even though the owner will write off the debt, the wage bill is too big, that's the real reason why no-one wants to take it on, especially as the parachute payments run out this season.


Title: Re:
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 20:54:55
....Of course you're one good appointment e.g. Eddie Howe with some investment from the promised land.....
It's only a matter of time before Bournemouth go the same way. And let's not kid ourselves that, allowing for some miracle, we ended up back in the Premier League one day, we would also end up sliding down again.


Title: Re: Re:
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 22:16:47
It's only a matter of time before Bournemouth go the same way. And let's not kid ourselves that, allowing for some miracle, we ended up back in the Premier League one day, we would also end up sliding down again.
Bournemouth took an opportunity from a relatively weak Championship, momentum from their League 1 promotion and a £30 million of Russian loans over 3 years to get promoted.

The key is to stay in the Premier League like Palace have done or take a more prudent approach like Burnley, take the money and accept your fate and hope you bounce back with parachute payments.

Be interesting to see what Bournemouth do when they come back down. Do they pay off the debt and rebuild long term stability or put it all on red and have another go for the Premier League.


Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 23:06:31
Bournemouth took an opportunity from a relatively weak Championship, momentum from their League 1 promotion and a £30 million of Russian loans over 3 years to get promoted.

The key is to stay in the Premier League like Palace have done or take a more prudent approach like Burnley, take the money and accept your fate and hope you bounce back with parachute payments.

Be interesting to see what Bournemouth do when they come back down. Do they pay off the debt and rebuild long term stability or put it all on red and have another go for the Premier League.
Am I right in thinking however that unlike many owner 'loans', Bournemouth's Russian is charging them a sensible interest rate on the cash he has loaned? Has messy written all over it.


Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 08:40:02
Am I right in thinking however that unlike many owner 'loans', Bournemouth's Russian is charging them a sensible interest rate on the cash he has loaned? Has messy written all over it.

Isn't he happy at Barca?

Oh- Messy. My bad :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 09:26:14
But whatever way they cut it at Muff, they can still only get 10,000 in their ground.

Can't see Ivan the Terrible countenancing spending all his extortion money on building a new  ground.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 09:37:51
I blame john mcginlay. The fat twat

I'm not the only one then!  I'm not proud of this, but have to admit that McGinlay was the first name that came to me when I read about Bolton's problems yesterday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 09:45:37
That was a little bit before my time. What did McGinlay actually do?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 10:05:35
But whatever way they cut it at Muff, they can still only get 10,000 in their ground.

Can't see Ivan the Terrible countenancing spending all his extortion money on building a new  ground.

Wouldn't need to.

As with most new grounds their stands have been designed so that a 2nd tier can be added on relatively cheaply and easily


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 10:37:19
I'm not the only one then!  I'm not proud of this, but have to admit that McGinlay was the first name that came to me when I read about Bolton's problems yesterday.
Me too!


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 10:38:40
That was a little bit before my time. What did McGinlay actually do?
My personal dislike goes back to his physical assault on Mark Robinson... Cannot speak for others.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 12:35:33
My personal dislike goes back to his physical assault on Mark Robinson... Cannot speak for others.

Same


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 13:02:08
My personal dislike goes back to his physical assault on Mark Robinson... Cannot speak for others.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanker, waaaanker John.

Also when they were doing well Gartside was very much a member of the self preservation society, we're alright jack - screw anyone else. I'd imagine its not an exclusive club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 15:32:18
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TaYQcmzSg9E

About 26.40 in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 16:01:49
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TaYQcmzSg9E

About 26.40 in

I often forget we had Throne/Fjortoft partnership. What we'd give for that now.

and yes, Wanker John


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Islington Red on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 17:18:59
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/02/virgin-media-premier-league-live-broadcast-all-matches

More matches on tv will never benefit lower league teams


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 19:46:11
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/02/virgin-media-premier-league-live-broadcast-all-matches

More matches on tv will never benefit lower league teams

Correct. There was too many games on TV ten years ago...and yet more and more are televised.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 20:52:09
Lids fans in the South stand have had a £5 rise in ticket prices mid season.
The extra £5 is for a food voucher whether they want it or not.

Pie tax  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-utd/leeds-united-face-fans-fury-at-mandatory-pie-tax-on-south-stand-tickets-1-7601244


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 21:20:27
Lids fans in the South stand have had a £5 rise in ticket prices mid season.
The extra £5 is for a food voucher whether they want it or not.

Pie tax  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-utd/leeds-united-face-fans-fury-at-mandatory-pie-tax-on-south-stand-tickets-1-7601244

That's brilliant. Better charge another fiver for an NHS donation for all of the cholesterol related heart attacks


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, December 3, 2015, 16:15:32
My personal dislike goes back to his physical assault on Mark Robinson... Cannot speak for others.

I've spotted Mark Robinson in the Don Rogers a couple of times this season. Must have stayed local.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, December 3, 2015, 19:09:21
Lids fans in the South stand have had a £5 rise in ticket prices mid season.
The extra £5 is for a food voucher whether they want it or not.

Pie tax  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-utd/leeds-united-face-fans-fury-at-mandatory-pie-tax-on-south-stand-tickets-1-7601244

You're only here to eat the pies!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, December 3, 2015, 19:53:47
Another 16 FIFA officials indicted by the US. Five have admitted their guilt including Jeffrey Webb.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, December 3, 2015, 19:57:19
Please tell me Tokyo Sexwhale is ok!

He's my favourite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, December 3, 2015, 20:13:17
Here is more detail about the roles of the 16 men who have been indicted...

Alfredo Hawit (Concacaf president), Ariel Alvarado (ex-Panamanian football official), Rafael Callejas (former president of Honduras football), Brayan Jimenez (Guatemala FA chief), Rafael Salguero (Guatemalan Fifa executive committee member), Hector Trujillo (general secretary of Guatemala FA), Reynaldo Vasquez (former El Salvador FA president), Juan Angel Napout (Conmebol president), Manuel Burga (former Peru FA president), Carlos Chavez (Bolivia football president), Luis Chiriboga (Ecuador football president), Marco Polo del Nero (Brazil football president), Eduardo Deluca (Conmebol general secretary), Jose Luis Meiszner (former Conmebol secretary general), Romer Osuna (Bolivia football audit and compliance committee chief), Ricardo Teixeira (former Brazil FA chief).

US Dept of Justice: "As part of his plea, Webb agreed to forfeit more than $6.7 million."




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, December 7, 2015, 20:52:50
http://www.stfcdirect.com/13_Gifts-Souvenirs/46_Miscellaneous-Gifts/1721_Mascot-Xmas-Knitted-Jumper.html (http://www.stfcdirect.com/13_Gifts-Souvenirs/46_Miscellaneous-Gifts/1721_Mascot-Xmas-Knitted-Jumper.html)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Monday, December 7, 2015, 22:10:40
Bad Christmas jumpers are all the rage these days!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, December 7, 2015, 22:43:49
Bad Christmas jumpers are all the rage these days!

 :cry:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, December 7, 2015, 22:50:30
He looks like he's about to do a bankjob


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 02:27:34
He looks like he's about to do a bankjob

 :girlgiggle: let's not even mention the horrid cheap scratchy looking fabric it looks like it's made of??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 08:43:05
I like the complete lack of alignment between the Robin and the club badge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 18:57:18
I brought a better looking one in Primark for £8!! It even plays a tune! ( it's for a special day at the school I work at!)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 20:58:01
I'm going to a works bash in Hyde Park at the winter wonderland wotsit next week. Christmas jumpers compulsory. Unfortunately I can't wear them, they make me itch to hell. So I'm wearing my Christmas T-shirt from last year. Women of a sensitive nature look away now.

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp99/swindon_alan/DSC_0090.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 21:03:24
Those boots and hat trump the Tshirt any day!  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 21:44:44
Those boots and hat trump the Tshirt any day!  :girlgiggle:

Heh, last Christmas (I gave you my heart - erm no), I was still working in Norway. The Norwegians don't do "extrovert", they're all a bit reserved. So I loaded up a suitcase full of Christmas costumes and forced them to wear them when we went out on the office bash. Fully equipped as an elf, a Christmas pudding, a snowman (with the carrot nose), Mrs Christmas, Little Miss Christmas - appropriately on a really fit colleague with a short skirt, a reindeer and Father Christmas.

We went to the best pub in Stavanger, Cardinal, and as I was friendly with the bouncer they let us in as they "don't usually permit fancy dress."

I was so impressed that they actually did it that I spent a fortune and got them all deliciously pissed  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 22:16:20
Have you got the Baby Jesus round for tea?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, December 8, 2015, 22:18:16
Have you got the Baby Jesus round for tea?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, December 9, 2015, 14:13:57
https://twitter.com/JoeSillett/status/674574419512160257


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 9, 2015, 14:26:54
https://twitter.com/JoeSillett/status/674574419512160257

I imagine his chats about those "possible commercial roles" may not have gone terribly well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, December 9, 2015, 15:57:24
https://twitter.com/JoeSillett/status/674574419512160257

This is wonderful. "THIS IS WHY PEOPLE THINK WE'RE ALL KNOBS JOE"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, December 9, 2015, 16:49:10
The responses are pretty great.

I think there should also be a game similar to pin the tail on the donkey (ass?) where people guess what part of not-Manchester he's from.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, December 21, 2015, 09:55:11
Blatter and Platini banned for 8 years...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35144652


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, December 21, 2015, 09:59:48
Platini is still bleating about his innocence. I wish the pair of them would just fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:09:55
Platini is still bleating about his innocence. I wish the pair of them would just fuck off.

Dyke and the FA, are still backing him presumably  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:23:33
Dyke and the FA, are still backing him presumably  :hmmm:

No, they've given up on him...eventually.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:24:46
Platini is still bleating about his innocence. I wish the pair of them would just fuck off.

Along with just about all the other Exec's in FIFA. They need to closedown the place and start again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:26:51
They need to get Tokyo Sexwale in as boss, it just has to be done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:30:33
No, they've given up on him...eventually.

I suppose the FA took a leaf out of the Government's book and buried this news, in the Festive break.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:47:21
I suppose the FA took a leaf out of the Government's book and buried this news, in the Festive break.

They announced it a 2/3 weeks ago..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 21, 2015, 10:55:31
They announced it a 2/3 weeks ago..

I'll take your word for it. The last I heard was that the FA were still backing Platini, and Dyke had been asked to account for this to a Parliamentary sub-committee. Probably the start of November.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, December 21, 2015, 11:12:21
Blatter looks like he's had a rough night. Unshaven with a plaster under his eye.

And he signs off with 'I'll be back !!'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, December 21, 2015, 14:34:15
I'll take your word for it. The last I heard was that the FA were still backing Platini, and Dyke had been asked to account for this to a Parliamentary sub-committee. Probably the start of November.

Heard it on Talksport, Dyke made a statement


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 21, 2015, 16:09:50
Blatter looks like he's had a rough night. Unshaven with a plaster under his eye.

And he signs off with 'I'll be back !!'

It was black eye friday last week, perhaps FIFA have a particularly mental works do each year!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Monday, December 21, 2015, 16:21:36
Blatter looks like he's had a rough night. Unshaven with a plaster under his eye.

And he signs off with 'I'll be back !!'

I thought this was just he tribute to Nelly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 07:58:51
Tokyo Sexwale is innocent!  The campaign starts here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35155892


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 13:38:46
I will actually miss Blatter, his complete lack of perception or guilt was highly amusing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35160425


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 13:48:52
I will actually miss Blatter, his complete lack of perception or guilt was highly amusing...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35160425

He has a point. The fact was until the Americans got involved the Swiss authorities have done nothing. They are complicit in letting FIFA off the hook on the ISL scandal, where bungs were paid to FIFA officials, especially Havelange, yet FIFA paid a fine to sweep it under the carpet, and the Swiss let them get away with it. The Yanks are now looking themselves into bungs in the ISL scandal, and this is forcing the Swiss to take action themselves, which is forcing the FIFA ethics committee to actually to something for a change.

But that shouldn't change the fact that this 'payment' looks dodgy. If you accept a payment from a crook, don't expect it to be legit. I still say that this is Platini's pay-off for his vote for Qatar.

Don't forget the ethics committee covered up the report into the 2018/2022 World Cup, done by the US lawyer by releasing a shortened report which had no bearing on the actual report, but ever since the arrest of the FIFA officials in May, there has been a total change by the Swiss authorities about FIFA and their 'dealings', which has forced the ethics committee into action. Previously, the ethics committee only banned rivals of Blatter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 19:38:55
Bournemouth bidding 16m for players from Roma.

http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/bournemouth-hijack-watford-move-for-roma-winger-iturbe-616119


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 19:39:49
But what a fairy tale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 19:51:31
Gonna cost them another 4 million to build him a neck.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 19:57:53
...But that shouldn't change the fact that this 'payment' looks dodgy. If you accept a payment from a crook, don't expect it to be legit. I still say that this is Platini's pay-off for his vote for Qatar....
Me too. I really can't stand Platini. It's the way he bleats on and on about being innocent of any wrong doing because he admitted what he'd done that bugs me. He's now saying that the FIFA Ethics committee didn't notice anything for 4 years which somehow, in his bent little mind, means he's not guilty....

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35160425

And the French Football Association - they have defended him and can see nothing wrong with what he's done, which says something about the way they go about dealing with things. But then, looking at the example of PSG and the French Government at the time of the World Cup vote I suppose that shouldn't come as a surprise....

What annoys me the most is that our own FA, up until the point where this crooked piece of shit was banned, were still saying they were supporting him for the FIFA job. They all need a good kicking too....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 20:24:02
What annoys me the most is that our own FA, up until the point where this crooked piece of shit was banned, were still saying they were supporting him for the FIFA job. They all need a good kicking too....

I think the FA just fell in line with every country from UEFA, as they wanted a European in charge to get their power base back. But ever since Platini was banned, UEFA are doing themselves no favours with their stance, leaving him in charge still, and their statement yesterday, backing him to the hilt doesn't do UEFA any favours, if, as expected, he loses all his appeals, but when you consider the UEFA vice President, his No.2, was involved with a vote swap with Qatar in an attempt to get the WC for Spain, UEFA is not whiter than white either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 20:36:54
But then neither is our FA who, if the allegations are true, are hardly whiter than white. Pacts with South Korea and USA have been mentioned....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, December 22, 2015, 20:49:37
They are all corrupt, and the internet police can take me to court and prove me wrong if they so wish.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 10:39:52
What? Really? No, can't be true. It's such a fairy-tale.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14165588.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_face_fine_after_breaking_financial_fair_play_rules/?ref=twt

Didn't see that coming.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 11:06:30
What? Really? No, can't be true. It's such a fairy-tale.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14165588.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_face_fine_after_breaking_financial_fair_play_rules/?ref=twt

Didn't see that coming.

But Eddie Howe is a genius. They didn't rely on a Russian benefactor getting them up.

Saying that, the FL have never announced the punishment for QPR for racking up £60m losses a few seasons back, when they got promotion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 11:31:40
What? Really? No, can't be true. It's such a fairy-tale.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14165588.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_face_fine_after_breaking_financial_fair_play_rules/?ref=twt

Didn't see that coming.

So club that obviously has the cash to flout the rules, breaks said rules and thus gets a fine - that will learn them!

Got to be pissed off if you are Millwall though  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 12:27:51
Some Brizzle City fans have vandalised the world war 1 and 2 monument outside the memorial ground.

Disgusting creatures.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 12:35:37
Some Brizzle City fans have vandalised the world war 1 and 2 monument outside the memorial ground.

Disgusting creatures.

Not good is it, although suvh events are common at rival grounds, I still remember when someone nicked that stand from the Kassam.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-Rovers-Memorial-Gates-vandalised/story-28419382-detail/story.html

Is their 'firm' really called 'City Service Firm' - sounds like a commercial office cleaning company?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 12:39:09
Some Brizzle City fans have vandalised the world war 1 and 2 monument outside the memorial ground.

Disgusting creatures.

Nothing new, Shitty have always had verminous fans....Rovers litle better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, December 24, 2015, 13:54:14
But Eddie Howe is a genius. They didn't rely on a Russian benefactor getting them up.

Saying that, the FL have never announced the punishment for QPR for racking up £60m losses a few seasons back, when they got promotion.
Yeah, what ever happened about QPR? At the time there was talk of them not being allowed back in the Football League if they didn't pay...like that was ever going to happen....



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, January 9, 2016, 13:58:36
Yaya Toure, again showing just what a super-massive bellend he is.

Someone better won an award and he behaves like a entitled American teenage girl.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35267662


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, January 9, 2016, 14:05:01
Yaya Toure, again showing just what a super-massive bellend he is.

Someone better won an award and he behaves like a entitled American teenage girl.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35267662

One hopes that it was akin to this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zFJI4axcxs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, January 9, 2016, 22:04:18
Five Live especially Alan Green chucking out the patronising cliches of how big a club Sheffield Utd are and that the other League One clubs raise their performance when they play them especially at Bramhall Lane.

Yes those poor little League One clubs who have been beating Sheffield Utd for the last  3 or 4 years because they know they are beatable. Yes it's a big ground and they have got a semi decent history.

 The game has changed so much now it's about the money behind you and how you use it. 1 or 2 good appointments and it's success like Swansea or Southampton. How big your ground is and gates are less important the further you get up the pyramid, look at the car crash that is Villa or Newcastle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, January 9, 2016, 22:06:27
ITV were always terrible whenever covering Leeds United, talking about them as though they had been cruelly banished from the top flight.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 12:56:50
Dean Saunders on FiveLive

"Oxford have looked like a Premier League team the way they are passing the ball.'  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Although their tin pot natures is balanced by someone tweeting in...

'I'd be moving my car at half time if I was parked behind that goal at Oxford with Jonjo Shelvey's shooting today. #RowZ #OUFC #FACup #bbcfacup.'  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:03:57
Dean Saunders on FiveLive

"Oxford have looked like a Premier League team the way they are passing the ball.'  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Although their tin pot natures is balanced by someone tweeting in...

'I'd be moving my car at half time if I was parked behind that goal at Oxford with Jonjo Shelvey's shooting today. #RowZ #OUFC #FACup #bbcfacup.'  :girlgiggle:
Let's be honest with Dean Saunders managerial history any team probably looks Premier League standard compared to the shower he puts together!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:12:34
They are playing pretty well in this game in all fairness, look a decent side.

Roofe should be playing higher than league 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:18:01
Should have kept my mouth shut about him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:22:43
I've never seen Kemar Roofe play badly (which is enough times to form such an opinion).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:25:08
Should have kept my mouth shut about him
Thing is Swansea have played a complete reserve team again much like Liverpool did against Exeter, the FA cup could end up going the way of the league cup which would be disappointing.
Hopefully someone comes in for Roofe as think it would derail their season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:27:24
I reckon they'll cash in on Roofe if the offer is right and he'll be loaned back to them till the end of the season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:32:54
I reckon they'll cash in on Roofe if the offer is right and he'll be loaned back to them till the end of the season.
Depends where he goes, if Championship I reckon they'd want to use him as a lot of clubs desperate for goal. We're a case in point, a couple of decent goalscorers win you games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:37:24
Fully expect there to be a leak on bbc wilts to say weve made a bid for him :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 13:55:15
Fully expect there to be a leak on bbc wilts to say weve made a bid for him :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Just needs to start doing the rounds on Twitter....  :nod:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, January 10, 2016, 18:12:44
Just needs to start doing the rounds on Twitter....  :nod:
(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1452449356044_zpsoxw94siz.jpg)

 :hmmm:
The parody is already on it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Monday, January 11, 2016, 01:16:50
Thing is Swansea have played a complete reserve team again much like Liverpool did against Exeter, the FA cup could end up going the way of the league cup which would be disappointing.

Think that horse has already bolted. That Liverpool team was more like a 3rd XI, I had a quick look at their squad and reckon at least 21 other players, if fit, would be ahead of them. Bournmuff made 11 changes, for crissakes, Swansea, Cardiff similar. Can't be arsed looking at the others.

What I don't understand is the Beeb making such a song and dance when it's clear to all that the big clubs couldn't give a toss anymore. Spurs v Leic was like an old fashioned Football Combination reserves match, yet they give it prime time coverage?!

Guess it says a lot about the lack of decent sport the Beeb have the rights to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Monday, January 11, 2016, 08:20:51
Thing is Swansea have played a complete reserve team again much like Liverpool did against Exeter, the FA cup could end up going the way of the league cup which would be disappointing.
Hopefully someone comes in for Roofe as think it would derail their season.

Besides the point. Oxford played well. There was a good atmosphere in the ground as well.

Hate to say it, but much better than ours.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, January 11, 2016, 08:30:23
Yeah, much better than ours as relegation fodder in a half filled ground. Our place has a good atmosphere for the big games, it's a false comparison.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, January 11, 2016, 08:44:44
Think that horse has already bolted. That Liverpool team was more like a 3rd XI, I had a quick look at their squad and reckon at least 21 other players, if fit, would be ahead of them. Bournmuff made 11 changes, for crissakes, Swansea, Cardiff similar. Can't be arsed looking at the others.

What I don't understand is the Beeb making such a song and dance when it's clear to all that the big clubs couldn't give a toss anymore. Spurs v Leic was like an old fashioned Football Combination reserves match, yet they give it prime time coverage?!

Guess it says a lot about the lack of decent sport the Beeb have the rights to.

And the tool of a commentator who, on seeing the TV pictures of a youngster Leicester supporter said "A day he will remember for the rest of his life..." (or something similar and equally inane). Leicester will be playing Spurs at least twice this season as part of the regular league competition. They aren't Conference minnows you patronizing cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, January 11, 2016, 08:45:44
Man Utd & Chelsea played a full strength side. Arsenal don't seem to have not cared the last two seasons

I hate the argument that clubs don't care about the FA cup constantly peddled out by the back-in-my-day brigade, because it's largely bollocks


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, January 11, 2016, 09:15:07
And the tool of a commentator who, on seeing the TV pictures of a youngster Leicester supporter said "A day he will remember for the rest of his life..." (or something similar and equally inane). Leicester will be playing Spurs at least twice this season as part of the regular league competition. They aren't Conference minnows you patronizing cunt.

Exactly the same fixture is happening on Wednesday.

I bloody love the cup and always will but the game changes, its a squad game these days so if you can afford to carry a big squad it makes sense to rotate when appropriate

What the FA need to do is get the semis back to neutral grounds and the final on a Saturday at 3pm the week after the league finishes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, January 11, 2016, 17:55:50
7m for Lewis Grabban from Bournemouth.

Such a fairytale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: janaage on Monday, January 11, 2016, 18:18:30
And the tool of a commentator who, on seeing the TV pictures of a youngster Leicester supporter said "A day he will remember for the rest of his life..." (or something similar and equally inane). Leicester will be playing Spurs at least twice this season as part of the regular league competition. They aren't Conference minnows you patronizing cunt.

I heard Pearce say that too and had similar thoughts. What a tool.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, January 11, 2016, 20:01:14
Pearce is a tool though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, January 12, 2016, 18:02:32
£12m for Jonjo Shelvey


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, January 12, 2016, 23:17:09
£12m for Jonjo Shelvey

The sad reality is that £12m isn't actually that much these days.

Still too much for Shelvey though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, January 12, 2016, 23:20:41
Cant believe he's still a kid.Only 23.  Seems like he's been around for ages.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, January 14, 2016, 13:14:59
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26852466

Barcelonas dodgy transfers dealing resulting in a 14 month transfer ban, which they will probably be able to get round somehow and a fine of a weeks wages for Rooney.

This cant be true.  I thought Barca were footballing mother theresas.  Their football hovering above and beyond beauty, transcending the vulgar bind of commerce to produce metaphysical beauty akin to the poetry of William Blake, and the luminescence of Van Goghs greatest work.  Or you'd think that is the case if you believe the media.

Turns out they're just another dodgy corrupt footy team lubricated not by genius but by cash and dodgy business.

And now Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid have been given a transfer ban :

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35313998


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 14, 2016, 13:26:15
Well, considering Barca failed to get their overturned, I think we can expect Real Madrid to spend some serious money in January now.

Yasser Kasim, £10m. Get on it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, January 14, 2016, 14:51:39
Cant believe he's still a kid.Only 23.  Seems like he's been around for ages.

He was scoring past us aged 17 that's probably why!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, January 15, 2016, 10:21:23
Oxford United doing so well.

Fair play to them, but it's a hard pill to swallow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 15, 2016, 10:35:48
Oxford United doing so well.

Fair play to them, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

Yep. It's come at a great time for them too. Beaten us again, beaten a Prem team and going to Wembley (probably) around the 30th anniversary of their greatest achievement in football.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Friday, January 15, 2016, 11:16:18
Christ, who wants to go to Wembley?!?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, January 15, 2016, 11:41:46
Pretty much everyone bar us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, January 15, 2016, 18:28:23
Yep. It's come at a great time for them too. Beaten us again, beaten a Prem team and going to Wembley (probably) around the 30th anniversary of their greatest achievement in football.
Doing 'the double' in 11/12?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 15, 2016, 18:31:57
Doing 'the double' in 11/12?

 :)

Depending on which fan you ask, obv.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Friday, January 15, 2016, 20:07:26
Oxford United doing so well.

Fair play to them, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

"Better atmosphere" than ours, "fair play" to them...

How about comparing like with like?  Say the atmosphere the day we beat Wigan in our last "single-season sojourn" in the BOTTOM tier without the humiliating "move your cars everyone, Jonjo Shelvey is shooting towards the car park end" asides.

The Piss stains have beaten a joke Swansea team and now have a chance of a plastic and expensive day out for the frankly embarassing Paintpot trophy that even their own lowlife forum has in recent years been quick to denigrate.

They were top o' the League in December and now stand third - think we know how that will end up

Mods, take action please, I implore you!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 15, 2016, 20:11:46
I think I get less 'tribal' as the years go by.

I try to detest Oxford, Gillingham, Reading, the Bristol teams and whoever else we've offended and disliked over the years but it seems like such a waste of energy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Friday, January 15, 2016, 23:46:19
The biggest problem I have with football at the moment is the death of tackling in the game.

Free kicks and penalties are given for the slightest thing and I think it's ruining the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 07:31:32
I think I get less 'tribal' as the years go by.

I try to detest Oxford, Gillingham, Reading, the Bristol teams and whoever else we've offended and disliked over the years but it seems like such a waste of energy.

Potentially we could all be in the same league next season, bar Reading.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 07:41:34
Potentially we could all be in the same league next season, bar Reading.

Yeah, that'll be fun. Apart from the social media dick-swinging.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 09:09:48
The biggest problem I have with football at the moment is the death of tackling in the game.

Free kicks and penalties are given for the slightest thing and I think it's ruining the game.

You're absolutely right. Imo, they're are simply no great defenders anymore. Defending at the top of the game is the worst I've ever seen. The rules have gone a long way to ensuring that.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 09:54:59
You're absolutely right. Imo, they're are simply no great defenders anymore. Defending at the top of the game is the worst I've ever seen. The rules have gone a long way to ensuring that.

Thing is being a defender must be incredibly frustrating now and if you cannot touch the attacker there is little point tackling. Giggs alleged wonder goal in the cup those years ago illustrated the point, he just ran fast towards the goal and no one dared try to tackle him as they knew he would go down leading to a free kick and likely card. Wonder players such as Ronaldo, whist undoubtedly skilful follow the same approach just dare people to try tackle in the penalty area.

 However John Stones seems to get away with murder possibly because he is 'the best young defender in the world' (TM) and thus referees appear scared to give penalties or cards against him?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 10:18:16
It seems to me that the faintest touch in the box is 50:50 for a penalty but that considerably stronger physical contact is allowed between boxes where someone eased or brushed off the would be laughed off as a weakling.

There seem to different rules appling depending where on the pitch the contact is made



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 15:07:15
Stelling just claimed that Cotterill kept City up in league 1, and then got them promoted, on a shoestring budget?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 15:18:14
Thing is being a defender must be incredibly frustrating now and if you cannot touch the attacker there is little point tackling. Giggs alleged wonder goal in the cup those years ago illustrated the point, he just ran fast towards the goal and no one dared try to tackle him as they knew he would go down leading to a free kick and likely card. Wonder players such as Ronaldo, whist undoubtedly skilful follow the same approach just dare people to try tackle in the penalty area.

Spot on.  And I saw your namesake make some lovely tackles he probably couldn't now, despite winning the ball.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 21:34:12
Why do clubs that are on winter break play friendlies? And local friendlies at that. Doesn't that defeat the point of a break?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 22:25:13
Clinton fucking Morrison on the Football League Show. He can barely string two words together yet they keep inviting him on, surely there are better options to analyse the games than this fucking idiot?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, January 16, 2016, 22:50:45
Chamakh's hair. Dreadful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 17, 2016, 06:27:26
Clinton fucking Morrison on the Football League Show. He can barely string two words together yet they keep inviting him on, surely there are better options to analyse the games than this fucking idiot?

Im not so sure, they have Adam Virgo as one of the presenters dont they


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, January 18, 2016, 00:58:46
Chamakh's hair. Dreadful.

Makes you wonder how much he paid for it. Lamela is the same, he'd be bloody gorgeous if he didn't look like he'd had his hair designed by a play-doh kit.

I guess for some reason they aren't worried about our opinion! 👀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 06:54:16
Clinton fucking Morrison on the Football League Show. He can barely string two words together yet they keep inviting him on, surely there are better options to analyse the games than this fucking idiot?

Maybe they're going 'street'? - He sounds like he's a London rapper.

Is 'fucking' his actual middle name, or have you made that up?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, January 18, 2016, 08:56:24
Maybe they're going 'street'? - He sounds like he's a London rapper.

Is 'fucking' his actual middle name, or have you made that up?

Yeah, it's his middle name.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 18, 2016, 09:03:47
Ha ha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 09:06:02
Yeah, it's his middle name.

Touché!!

That's fucking brilliant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 18, 2016, 09:25:20
Remember when certain people were crying that we weren't 'competing' with Bury for signings.... Www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2461937


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 09:29:32
Remember when certain people were crying that we weren't 'competing' with Bury for signings.... Www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2461937

Yeah but I bet their chairman doesn't steal all the money they make from player sales!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:02:09
Yeah but I bet their chairman doesn't steal all the money they make from player sales!

WHERE HAS THE MONEY GONE!?!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:14:13
Remember when certain people were crying that we weren't 'competing' with Bury for signings.... Www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2461937

Didn't Bury borrow £1m from a Wonga type company, at big rates of interest?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:17:29
I'm a fuckwit!?!!

Haha... it's like my work emails all over again... why does this follow me around?! :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:23:08
Just had a look on their forum and winding up petitions seem a regular occurrence for them. They just had to pay HMRC a lump to keep them at bay as well apparently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:28:12
Didn't Bury borrow £1m from a Wonga type company, at big rates of interest?

No that was Bournemouth with that Russian bloke!?


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:32:13
What are Bury borrowing against, the ground?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:37:01
Yes, or at least they were in 2014:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2014/nov/12/bury-high-interest-loans-shadow-recovery


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:42:52
Yes, or at least they were in 2014:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2014/nov/12/bury-high-interest-loans-shadow-recovery

I do wonder of there is a degree of borrowing money from associated companies and acquatances here?

This did catch my eye.

Stuart Cook, spokesman for a concerned group of small Bury shareholders, said: “We are lifelong fans whose parents and grandparents attended Gigg Lane; we want a successful club but based on sustainable spending.

Don't worry mate, even if you do want that certain fans will still moan like hell about it and prefer a boom bust model!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 10:56:00
No that was Bournemouth with that Russian bloke!?

No, the Russian is only charging around 6% interest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Monday, January 18, 2016, 11:17:35
No that was Bournemouth with that Russian bloke!?

Yeah it was Bury and reported in some places as 2 million. They were going for shit or bust this year. One is now looking more likely than the other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 13:53:33
Bolton dodged the bullet in the short term...

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/730254-stay-of-execution-for-bolton-wanderers.html?news_sect


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Monday, January 18, 2016, 14:31:18
Delaying the inevitable. I'll be surprised if they don't fold, as effectively someone has to spend almost 200 million to get them even, as I cant see a standard administration being allowed. And no one will spend that amount on what is a relatively small team with little hope of making large profits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 14:53:02
Delaying the inevitable. I'll be surprised if they don't fold, as effectively someone has to spend almost 200 million to get them even, as I cant see a standard administration being allowed. And no one will spend that amount on what is a relatively small team with little hope of making large profits.

The amount owed to the owner will be written off, a bit like Black decided, that he no longer wants to write any more big cheques. Apparently they are in discussions to sell part of the car park to developers for £25m. That'll will see them through to the end of the season...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 14:54:43
Delaying the inevitable. I'll be surprised if they don't fold, as effectively someone has to spend almost 200 million to get them even, as I cant see a standard administration being allowed. And no one will spend that amount on what is a relatively small team with little hope of making large profits.

I assume though that the debt outside that to the owner is only £3m with £2.2m of that to the HMRC, depends how much Eddie Davies wants back I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Monday, January 18, 2016, 15:27:42
This might be "what's right with football" but the Bury (and other stories) are actually showing the good things in  not owning your own ground, ie we cannot be shafted by property investors, often penniless property investors.

Whatever Power may be up to in the medium term there are easier clubs to fleece than STFC :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, January 18, 2016, 15:46:27
depends how much Eddie Davies wants back I suppose.

He's writing it all off as soon as he gets new owners. He just doesn't want to put any more money in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 10:12:13
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/18/arsenal-fan-actually-gets-married-in-full-football-kit-5630606/

Shin pads the lot, the ultimate full kit wanker!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 10:49:35
What. A. Cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 11:27:18
He can't be 'all there'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 11:35:25
http://metro.co.uk/2016/01/18/arsenal-fan-actually-gets-married-in-full-football-kit-5630606/

Shin pads the lot, the ultimate full kit wanker!
is it fatbury?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 11:55:13
is it fatbury?

Fatbury...with a girl..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 12:00:03
Fatbury...with a girl..

Not totally convinced that bride is a bird


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 21:55:18
I hate goalkeepers that run out of their area to barate their defence after they concede a goal. A prime example is Roy Carroll, who seems to think he is better than anyone else because he use to play for Man Utd. It also seems to happen at every goal he concedes. Another example is Joe Murphy now if Huddersfield. They're not that good so what makes them think hey can act like that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 22:01:50
I hate goalkeepers that run out of their area to barate their defence after they concede a goal. A prime example is Roy Carroll, who seems to think he is better than anyone else because he use to play for Man Utd. It also seems to happen at every goal he concedes. Another example is Joe Murphy now if Huddersfield. They're not that good so what makes them think hey can act like that?

Wasn't that the reason why Paolo gave Wes the hook at Deepdale? 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 22:45:14
When you see it..

Reading v Huddersfield Town team sheet #htafc https://t.co/Dx3KCIxVzk


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 07:36:46
Isn't that unlucky? #cringe

(obviously not last night)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 08:13:27
When you see it..

Reading v Huddersfield Town team sheet #htafc https://t.co/Dx3KCIxVzk

Took me a while, I had to click on the picture to get it in full though.
That's pretty embarrassing.
Although i'd quite like to see them call on their no 13 substitute and see a few thousand fat Reading fans in replica shirts run on to the pitch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 08:14:39
Tragic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 11:39:01
God they're such a weird nothing club - I'd rather be a shit us than them that's for sure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 11:41:07
Ha. I've not seen my Reading supporting mate for a while, I'll have to make sure that I do soon. m


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 11:47:07
I'm guessing the song sheet is over the page?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 13:26:04
Ha. I've not seen my Reading supporting mate for a while, I'll have to make sure that I do soon. m

My Reading supporting mate said "loads of clubs do that now"
As if that vindicates them!

 
I'm guessing the song sheet is over the page?

 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 13:42:43
Loads of clubs put 'the fans' on the programme squad list... But on the media distributed lists? Doubtful.

They're super lame but they've had an enviable couple of decades compared to us.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 21, 2016, 15:46:26
Macherano sentenced to a year in prison for tax evasion....but he wont actually go to prison.

Apparently in Spain any sentence of under 2 years doesnt actually require you to go to prison (most of the time), unless you are deemed dangerous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Thursday, January 21, 2016, 18:45:39
Macherano sentenced to a year in prison for tax evasion....but he wont actually go to prison.

Apparently in Spain any sentence of under 2 years doesnt actually require you to go to prison (most of the time), unless you are deemed dangerous.

That'll learn him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, January 21, 2016, 20:05:25
Macherano sentenced to a year in prison for tax evasion....but he wont actually go to prison.

Apparently in Spain any sentence of under 2 years doesnt actually require you to go to prison (most of the time), unless you are deemed dangerous.

Messi will probably end up with the same sentence if found guilty when his tax avoidance trial starts in May.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, January 21, 2016, 21:01:59
Messi will probably end up with the same sentence if found guilty when his tax avoidance trial starts in May.
To be fair Messi's is a bit different as it's quite clearly his dad that has managed his affairs and prosecutors even asked for the case against Messi to be dropped. In all hosesty I'll be surprised if any trial takes place as all he needs to do is threaten to leave Barca and they'll buckle as the money he's brought into Barcelona during his career will vastly outweigh anything that he would ever pay in tax. I went to watch them on Sunday against Bilbao and I'd say a quarter of the 68k crowd were there just to see Messi live and had travelled from all over the world, shame he went off at half time....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 22, 2016, 21:51:27
Grim.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/oldham-athletic-the-land-just-matters-more-than-the-club-a6828216.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:02:50
that is grim. I quite like Oldham, or rather don't dislike them. hope they sort it out.

wasn't eckersley liked with us... £250 a week basic..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:07:57
that is grim. I quite like Oldham, or rather don't dislike them. hope they sort it out.

wasn't eckersley liked with us... £250 a week basic..

We offered less....Prem to Div 4 in 20 years.  pfft we did it in 13.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:08:13
Strange that - I understood at the time that money was the reason he didn't sign for us....unless, of course, we offered less....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:16:16
There's a pattern forming though, lot's of the clubs in serious trouble are around Manchester it seems. Hope they all get through and maybe get sensible in the future. Hopefully! Like we seem to be trying.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:16:54
well, a. it might not be true, B. he muyst have massive appearance bonuses

or c. we are Chesapskates


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:17:41
Strange that - I understood at the time that money was the reason he didn't sign for us....unless, of course, we offered less....
Yeah it is an odd one. Maybe the bottom 2 leagues are very low basic, with larger bonuses?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, January 22, 2016, 22:19:13
What I do think is a fact is that batch has been on the beer, judging by the lack of any capitals..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, January 23, 2016, 06:52:03
Nah, he never capitalises his words when he posts from his phone.

It drives me mad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, January 23, 2016, 07:44:20
Grim.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/oldham-athletic-the-land-just-matters-more-than-the-club-a6828216.html

Blimey. This in particular stuck out for me:

Quote
Oldham were expected to announce the appointment of Kevin Russell to the coaching staff this week but revealed on Thursday that they could not agree a deal which would make it financially viable for the former Stoke and Wrexham striker to travel daily from his home in Stoke

Still, it sounds like the directors are doing very nicely, flogging off the land to themselves. So that's OK (for them)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, January 23, 2016, 14:27:43
There's a pattern forming though, lot's of the clubs in serious trouble are around Manchester it seems. Hope they all get through and maybe get sensible in the future. Hopefully! Like we seem to be trying.
The fan bases have supported these clubs well in the past and will hopefully do so again in the future. Other than the City/United regional mega-club issue, the current demise of some 'Lancashire' clubs appears to be down to unscrupulous?/delusional?/incompetent? leadership. They've had great support in the past, and hopefully, this could re-emerge to sustain their existence.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 23, 2016, 16:01:09
Nah, he never capitalises his words when he posts from his phone.

It drives me mad.

Life's too short Sam. But what really drives me mad is the phones autocorrect. Or more accurately, autofuckitup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, January 30, 2016, 22:52:45
Page 6 of the Guardian sport section today featuring the fixtures for today.  There is a picture of Timmy Mallett with a Cardboard FA cup celebrating the pox's victory against Swansea.

Page 7 is a whole page about the pox.

Cant be arsed to read such bullshit hagiographies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 30, 2016, 23:18:42
They got fucking hammered today though, so hopefully the media masturbation over them will stop. They even sold half and half scarfs today in the club shop, for a game against blackburn :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 11:40:10
If it helps, the comments section on the online version of that article was entirely about how many stands they have...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 12:38:32
They got fucking hammered today though, so hopefully the media masturbation over them will stop. They even sold half and half scarfs today in the club shop, for a game against blackburn :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Please tell me you're not making this up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 12:52:30
Please tell me you're not making this up.

Looks like a club shop to me...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/25ywwgy.png)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:28:39
Mind you, our dear leader a few years back wanted a fucking statue for beating Wigan.

Mind you he was mental.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:43:15
(http://i63.tinypic.com/25ywwgy.png) = (http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/448878478780530688/oJs-L-nZ.jpeg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:52:05
The BBC's arse kissing of Franchise :

'They're doing things the right way'....what by stealing a football club?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:53:52
The BBC's love in of The Franchise today, especially before the game.

Lawro: "The good thing is they're doing things in the right way aren't they?!". Errr...no!!!!

Another Lawro classic was "The crowd have stayed with them haven't they?" Well yeah, most of them are probably Chelsea fans anyway. They certainly don't give a much of a fuck anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:54:23
Beat me too it! 😄


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:56:04
Beat me too it! 😄

Great minds....

I doubt Lawrenson would be saying the same thing if his beloved Liverpool was 'moved' to MK...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 17:58:32
They certainly don't give a much of a fuck anyway.

As proved by asking for selfies with Oscar when the game was still going on...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Paolo69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 18:00:54
As proved by asking for selfies with Oscar when the game was still going on...

Haha. Didn't see that. Pathetic!

Ince at it now with Winkleman's "fantastic vision". Fuck off will you!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 18:20:53
The only point I did agree with was that their stadium is stunning.  Unfortunately for Franchise, it's also a white elephant.  They'll fill it for glamour games like this one where neutrals will flock there to see Premiership talent at a reasonable price.  But for their usual league games at 3pm on a Saturday, their average crowds are stuck on 12½k.  Promotion has added another 3k or so to the gate, a third of whom will be away supporters anyway.

To be fair to BBC Radio 5, they also revisited the club theft in 2004 (OK, they called it 'relocation'), acknowledged that MK relinquished the history of Wimbledon FC (formally, in 2006 I think).

And they even mooted the possibility that Franchise would, at some point in the future, delete any reference to the 'Dons' from their name.  That would be the right thing in my view.  From that point onwards, I could almost start to accept them...as a new club, with no link whatever to Wimbledon FC, no association with the FA Cup success of 1988 - and the only new club to be gifted a place near the top of the football pyramid for nearly 100 years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 18:43:53
Franchise vs Chelsea. Probably the two worst and fake football clubs in the UK. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 18:54:52
Whatever you think of Winkleman and Franchise you have to admit he has delivered on his promise. Meanwhile here we sit in a decaying stadium that has had very little done in the past 20 odd years and a board that shows very little ambition.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 19:05:23
If Franchise are anyway near self-sustainable, I'd agree with that completely.  Are they?  If so, they'll have used that stolen league place well.  If not, they're just another club punching above their weight thanks to borrowed money (and, in their case, a very unpalatable start in life).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 19:16:48
And they even mooted the possibility that Franchise would, at some point in the future, delete any reference to the 'Dons' from their name.  That would be the right thing in my view.  From that point onwards, I could almost start to accept them...as a new club, with no link whatever to Wimbledon FC, no association with the FA Cup success of 1988 - and the only new club to be gifted a place near the top of the football pyramid for nearly 100 years.

Not for me. At the end of the day Wankleman and his crew should have bought MK City and took those through the leagues. They lied to the FA as they wanted league football straight away. If they admitted that they lied to the FA and paid AFC Wimbledon 'reparations' (about £10m, to help pay for AFC's new stadium back in Wimbledon...cheap considering the Rams have had to pay the NFL $550m for relocating to LA) for stealing their league place.. then I might start excepting them. Until then, they are a bunch of club stealing bastards.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 21:12:15
Its going to go stupid tomorrow.  21 million bids for Berahinio.  Its only 4 years ago that he wasnt being that good for Northampton against us.

I can see Im going to be hearing about transfers saying 'how fucking much' all day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 21:44:37
Whatever you think of Winkleman and Franchise you have to admit he has delivered on his promise. Meanwhile here we sit in a decaying stadium that has had very little done in the past 20 odd years and a board that shows very little ambition.

The training ground is a mirage then?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 21:48:54
The training ground is a mirage then?

It is until its finished ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 22:19:39
The training ground is a mirage then?

As above. Once it's built and our players are training there I'll say it's a step in the right direction.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 22:23:38
Correct me if I'm wrong but "no ambition" is a completely nonsensical, subjective bullshit phrase that needs to be autocorrected along with "wheresdamoney"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, January 31, 2016, 23:15:19
Yeah ok, it isn't built yet, but is no ambition stating that he'll only get his money back If we go up, and that's the aim every season? Do Crewe, Shrewsbury etc currently openly state that? Seems ambitious/realistic to me. And its a shitty stick to hit him with over the ground, Will one pop up out of nowhere then ? If in 5 years nothings moved on that, you might have a point, he's effectively only had about 18 months at a push so far.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 1, 2016, 13:45:00
The ship that Franchise used has long since sailed, attaching a ground development to a retail development.  Modern stadia need a financial Trojan horse or serious capital investment behind them - in our case this pretty much now only leaves some as yet un-selected plot of land in Swindon for housing development or securing loans.  There were other options 5-10 years ago before planning permission for the Oasis development were finally submitted (although maybe the on-going delay of this may yet still throw us a future bone?).  As even Black/Fitton/Wray found, getting finance since 2008 is pretty tricky for a club with a seriously bad financial history (until recently we weren't even afforded overdraft facilities anymore - although that may still be the same).

Assuming we limit ourselves to what we have direct influence over, then we have a small plot of land with a leasehold.  A small development would be possible but still requires something integral to bring in the money.  The council has shown itself willing to spend £15m on a car park recently so oddly they are probably the best hope we have - which itself is a sad and depressing state to be in!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, February 1, 2016, 14:15:34
The talk that the big clubs are trying to force UEFA to accept for the next CL contract, a number of clubs that will be allowed in on an 'invitational' basis...just in case they don't qualify for the CL, like Man U or AC Milan.

Big back the European Cup, with only the Champions qualifying.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, February 1, 2016, 20:21:15
The talk that the big clubs are trying to force UEFA to accept for the next CL contract, a number of clubs that will be allowed in on an 'invitational' basis...just in case they don't qualify for the CL, like Man U or AC Milan.

Big back the European Cup, with only the Champions qualifying.
This. And no seeding.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, February 1, 2016, 20:23:25
Cup winner's cup<3


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, February 1, 2016, 21:03:57
This. And no seeding.

And then they'll be less talk about of playing too many games.

Whilst, over the last 25 years the top division number of league games has decreased, the FA Cup now has a maximum of 1 replay, and the League Cup is now one off matches except for the semis, the games in the  European competitions have increased.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 1, 2016, 22:38:11
when Stoke can spend 18m on a porto player you know there might be a bit of a cash distribution problem..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, February 2, 2016, 13:49:48
when Stoke can spend 18m on a porto player you know there might be a bit of a cash distribution problem..

When the next TV deal starts next season, that once the foreign deals are completed, the worst side in the PL will get a minimum £200m for the season, and the top 20 sides to get the most TV money will be the 20 Prem clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 2, 2016, 14:13:15
I feel like there is a little inequality in the football world which may just mirror the inequality in society.

We need a people's revolution. 

Im off to kick Cameron in the pig dummy.  That should start it.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, February 2, 2016, 14:20:32
I'm in.  It really is going to take something grass roots like that, as everyone in a position even remotely approaching power has their noses too far in the trough now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, February 15, 2016, 20:42:32
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35576677

Not so much for the action even just the tragic excuse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, February 15, 2016, 20:49:19
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35576677

Not so much for the action even just the tragic excuse


I saw that earlier and laughed.

It just shows how incredibly thick the average footballer is to think he could come out with this hilarious excuse about somehow "pocket tweeting" a picture of a flash Merc (presumably after "pocket googling" the picture) and people would believe it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, February 15, 2016, 20:57:22
I saw that earlier and laughed. It just shows how incredibly thick the average footballer is to think he could come out with this hilarious excuse about somehow "pocket tweeting" a picture of a flash Merc, presumably after "pocket googling" the picture, and people would believe it.

His agent probably had to advise him on it, too.
"The 'I'm sorry for my actions' script hasn't been written yet! I'm still working on the 'our performances have not been good enough and I'm devastated we've been relegated' one!"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 07:05:19
Personally, I'd have loved him to have come out with more shit back.

I know their performances have been fucking dire, but as fans we say "if they're going to give it out, they need to be able to take it too" - I think that applies the other way around too.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 09:07:18
From the bbc gossip page and from The Sun, so probably not true:

FA Cup replays could be scrapped with ties played in midweek, while League Cup semi-finals might be reduced to one leg in plans to reduce the number of games for top-flight clubs. (Sun)

Fuck off. Diddums about having to play games for their money



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 09:21:40
From the bbc gossip page and from The Sun, so probably not true:

FA Cup replays could be scrapped with ties played in midweek, while League Cup semi-finals might be reduced to one leg in plans to reduce the number of games for top-flight clubs. (Sun)

Fuck off. Diddums about having to play games for their money



Would someone please think of the poor Premier League footballers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 12:43:32
From the bbc gossip page and from The Sun, so probably not true:

FA Cup replays could be scrapped with ties played in midweek, while League Cup semi-finals might be reduced to one leg in plans to reduce the number of games for top-flight clubs. (Sun)

Fuck off. Diddums about having to play games for their money

Over the last 30 years the top division has reduced, the FA Cup has had it's replays reduced, and the number of League Cup games has been reduced to a one-off game, except for the semis, when the first couple of rounds used to be 2 legs, and the rest of the rounds used to have replays. The only competitions that actually have increased the number of games are in Europe, so wouldn't it be better to get the games in Europe back to 2 leg knockout format, and restrict the number of competitors, so the qualifying doesn't have to start in July.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 17:32:18
If they reduce the number of games it will just allow them to have more tours & friendly games


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 18:34:17
The Football League should lead a football revolution against the Premier League and the Champions League.

It should invite the Conference (as was) to be a new fourth division of a four division national professional league.
It should declare that no team relegated from the PL be allowed to join the FL, therefore setting the PL adrift.
Before the great schism occurs, the FL should invite any PL team to apply to join the new FL upon payment of a handy sum.
As the FA will probably have conniptions about the whole thing, the League Cup will take over from the FA Cup as the nation's premier knock-out cup competition.
Other leagues in Europe will follow suit and a traditional, knock-out European Cup will re-emerge with only the winners of the new National Football League Division 1 having the right to take part.

The PL and CL will soon become too boring and wither and die.

I have a dream...


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 19:20:22
that would be the football league shooting themselves in the foot.

the entire football league would wither and die, the premier league would happily carry on


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 19:30:10
Exactly, the PL probably wouldnt mind a closed shop scenario anyway.

There would only be one winner in a PL v FL battle and it would be quite one sided I suspect


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 21:59:06
If they reduce the number of games it will just allow them to have more tours & friendly games
This
They'd rather play exhibition tournaments in Asia, USA and North America than an FA Cup tie at Accrington, replay or not


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 17, 2016, 12:28:17
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/731424-football-giant-in-new-alliance-with-web-developer.html

And Kamara selling his soul....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNqtH59FKJU&feature=youtu.be



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 20, 2016, 20:44:07
Some west brom scrote coining Chris brunt.  Skinny little twat by the looks of him. Thinks he's a hooligan as he wears stone island and Ralph Lauren.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 17:44:36
The Man City side out today in the FA cup.

Surely there should be a rule in this competition if there is one in the JPT.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 19:22:30
The Man City side out today in the FA cup.

Surely there should be a rule in this competition if there is one in the JPT.
Much as it pains me to defend City is was somewhat wank of the FA to agree to move the game to Sunday late afternoon for telly when they have an away game in the Ukraine on Wednesday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 20:01:09
Much as it pains me to defend City is was somewhat wank of the FA to agree to move the game to Sunday late afternoon for telly when they have an away game in the Ukraine on Wednesday.

Up to a point. Why have UEFA split their quarter final first legs over two weeks, instead of having them all last week with the second leg in a fortnight time?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 20:13:54
If the Premier League clubs want their winter break why not clear out the whole of January for the FA Cup (including replays) and have no PL games. It could be like domestic cricket does with T20 and would generate more interest with no distraction of league games. Over 5 weeks in Jan/early Feb you could fit in 3 rounds easily

If clubs want to rest players and not take it seriously they can and bugger off on overseas tour if they go out early. Without league games for a 4-5 weeks they might want to play more of their better players to not loose too much sharpness.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 20:37:17
The 'winter break' is just an excuse to go off to sunnier places and earn more money playing a 'friendly'. In the UK, we could have a cold spell any time between November and February. I would laugh my head off if they had their 'winter break' when the weather was good, but came back and then the UK had a cold spell, and then they had games postponed, then complained about 'fixture backlog'.

You cannot win with the big clubs. I cannot believe there was all this moaning when in the early 80's when Liverpool were winning the title, playing 42 league games, winning the League Cup multiples times, FA Cup and European Cup with the same squad of players.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 20:51:01
The 'winter break' is just an excuse to go off to sunnier places and earn more money playing a 'friendly'. In the UK, we could have a cold spell any time between November and February. I would laugh my head off if they had their 'winter break' when the weather was good, but came back and then the UK had a cold spell, and then they had games postponed, then complained about 'fixture backlog'.

You cannot win with the big clubs. I cannot believe there was all this moaning when in the early 80's when Liverpool were winning the title, playing 42 league games, winning the League Cup multiples times, FA Cup and European Cup with the same squad of players.

And on worse pitches and with less substitutions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 21, 2016, 20:55:51
... and on more booze and unhealthy diets.

Has any one tried watching games from their childhood? The games that made you love football in the first place? It's largely terrible.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 00:00:29
Arsenal Fans! Now there is a set of moany bitter 'customers'. Some of them make our fans look positively normal..... Piers Morgan a case in point!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 07:06:53
Amd fatbury


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 08:16:32
Arsenal Fans! Now there is a set of moany bitter 'customers'. Some of them make our fans look positively normal..... Piers Morgan a case in point!

The funny thing is that for years the joke has always been that Spurs fans were whining bastards who thought they always deserved better and that their club, should spend more, sack the manager and generally be better and bigger than they actually were - and this tended to be grasped by Arsenal fans as proof that they were the better, bigger and more historical club as they didn't act like this.

But now Arsenal fans seem to be morphing into Spurs fans, I was travelling last night but I suspect that once again social media was full of whining, Wenger out messages etc....

The fact that Piers Morgan is involved just makes it funnier!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 17:55:45
FWIW I am a Spurs fan by birth: my family are from Tottenham, my Dad went to school on White Hart Lane, and I was brought up to hate Arsenal with the same venom I do Oxford, City, Etc.

But I would never, ever, do them the disservice of associating Piers Morgan with them.  Literally no one deserves that. :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 18:13:46
FWIW I am a Spurs fan by birth: my family are from Tottenham, my Dad went to school on White Hart Lane, and I was brought up to hate Arsenal with the same venom I do Oxford, City, Etc.

But I would never, ever, do them the disservice of associating Piers Morgan with them.  Literally no one deserves that. :suicide:
Am I the only one who thinks there are far bigger cunts out there than Piers Morgan?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 18:25:20
Am I the only one who thinks there are far bigger cunts out there than Piers Morgan?

Welsh ones don't count  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 24, 2016, 18:30:17
Welsh ones don't count  :D
Fuck sake. That's my Robbie Savage entry null & void then!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Sunday, February 28, 2016, 23:32:20
The league cup coverage on Sky today, after city got the win some sky knobhead (can't remember which one) tried to shove a microphone in Caballero's face while he was celebrating. On the pitch. I'm an incredibly calm person most of the time but I'd have chinned him and told him to fuck off. Who exactly benefits from these pathetic "interviews"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 29, 2016, 00:10:31
Am I the only one who thinks there are far bigger cunts out there than Piers Morgan?

Worse people yes, bigger cunts in general view, probably not, you may be Piers Morgan then if you think that ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 29, 2016, 10:40:58
I just cannot think this was a mistake....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-35678144


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Monday, February 29, 2016, 10:47:30
I just cannot think this was a mistake....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-35678144

I'm gobsmacked anyone could think it was anything else.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, February 29, 2016, 13:53:17
The league cup coverage on Sky today, after city got the win some sky knobhead (can't remember which one) tried to shove a microphone in Caballero's face while he was celebrating. On the pitch. I'm an incredibly calm person most of the time but I'd have chinned him and told him to fuck off. Who exactly benefits from these pathetic "interviews"

Simply, when you pay squillions of pounds for exclusive rights, you demand media access that some may find unpalatable, but most want. If the players don't like it, they can play behind closed doors, with no cameras and just play for the love of the game I guess?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, February 29, 2016, 14:37:23
Simply, when you pay squillions of pounds for exclusive rights, you demand media access that some may find unpalatable, but most want. If the players don't like it, they can play behind closed doors, with no cameras and just play for the love of the game I guess?

This.  The Clubs sold their soul to the TV companies and they now have to put up with whatever the TV companies want, including having to play matches on which days and at what KO time the TV companies demand, regardless of when and where the Clubs last played, and with bugger-all thought for the fans who travel to the games. I find most of the pre- and post-match coverage involving as many 'pundits' as they can squeeze into their studio a total bore and so tend to avoid all but the actual match itself. That'll teach them!   :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 29, 2016, 16:26:02
including having to play matches on which days and at what KO time the TV companies demand, regardless of when and where the Clubs last played, and with bugger-all thought for the fans who travel to the games.

Hence having two north west based teams kicking off at Wembley at 1630 on a Sunday afternoon/night.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 29, 2016, 16:26:22
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/731846-owner-must-pump-more-money-into-championship-club-to-ensure-survival.html?news_section=253059

The figures involved and what is required just to keep the plates spinning makes me realise we are never going to get to that level without some serious investment?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 29, 2016, 16:33:26
Of course we can get to that level. We very nearly did on a shoestring.

It's staying there that will be the problem. We've just gotta hope one day our Lansdown / Madejski comes in to bankroll us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:41:48
Of course we can get to that level. We very nearly did on a shoestring.

It's staying there that will be the problem. We've just gotta hope one day our Lansdown / Madejski comes in to bankroll us.

Do you want to be bankrolled? I guess citing Lansdown and Madejski was deliberate as fans, thus less likely to want a return or to end in tears, but I dread the day some far-flung sheikh or oligarch comes along, talking about untapped potential, catchment areas and 3-year plans a la Bristol Rovers.

I'm all for growth, ambition, progression.... but do it organically and it's something to be truly proud of. I seem to be in the minority but I really like what we're doing right now, and how we're doing it. Let's hope that progress is real and pays off over a long period (not necessarily one season to another, but long-term).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:42:13
Football commentary.  The ridiculous hyperbole.  Everything is a fairytale.  Everything is one of the stories of the season.

Apparently a player scored 2 goals on his debut.  Commentators wanking themselves into a frenzy about how unbelievable this is.

Has anyone got a sense of perspective anymore?  Everything is a fairytale or unbelievable.  The bounds of my credulity are rarely actually stretched by what these tosspots feel is amazing.  Maybe Im just too rational.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:43:13
Marcus Rashford being a prime example....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:46:01
Football commentary.  The ridiculous hyperbole.  Everything is a fairytale.  Everything is one of the stories of the season.

Apparently a player scored 2 goals on his debut.  Commentators wanking themselves into a frenzy about how unbelievable this is.

Has anyone got a sense of perspective anymore?  Everything is a fairytale or unbelievable.  The bounds of my credulity are rarely actually stretched by what these tosspots feel is amazing.  Maybe Im just too rational.

Saxondale going off on one, you couldn't write the script.

Wait......... :)

(For what it's worth, I completely agree)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:53:01
I would hate to be anything but predictable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:54:27

Football commentary.  The ridiculous hyperbole.  Everything is a fairytale.  Everything is one of the stories of the season.

Apparently a player scored 2 goals on his debut.  Commentators wanking themselves into a frenzy about how unbelievable this is.

Has anyone got a sense of perspective anymore?  Everything is a fairytale or unbelievable.  The bounds of my credulity are rarely actually stretched by what these tosspots feel is amazing.  Maybe Im just too rational.
Reminds me of the David Mitchell football sketch. Look it up on YouTube, well worth it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:56:52
This one....

http://youtu.be/MusyO7J2inM


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 29, 2016, 17:59:39
Two of my brothers are completely driven by whatever the TV tells them regarding football.

Love Bournemouth's 'story', they are almost desperate for Leicester City to win the Premier League etc etc

I'm not ashamed to concede that I might just be miserable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, February 29, 2016, 20:50:36
I would love Leicester to wind the League and don't have a problem with Bournemouth.

Is that wrong?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 29, 2016, 20:52:19
I would love Leicester to wind the League and don't have a problem with Bournemouth.

Is that wrong?

Probably not, hence my final comment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, February 29, 2016, 20:55:21
Probably not, hence my final comment.
OK, thanks for clarifying.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, March 14, 2016, 21:37:52
The BBC and other news outlets reporting tweets from players as news worthy. Since when have I been interested in player x thanking the fans or player y stating they were unlucky today. It's lazy journalism and systemic of how 24 news leads to padding of their air time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 14, 2016, 21:56:06
The BBC and other news outlets reporting tweets from players as news worthy. Since when have I been interested in player x thanking the fans or player y stating they were unlucky today. It's lazy journalism and systemic of how 24 news leads to padding of their air time.

Very true, but some news media have picked up on Gareth Barry on what is described as the "somewhat obscure" Fanzai app.

Barry has this to say....

"Barry denied the biting allegation on the social media platform Fanzai, saying: “Seen a lot of talk about the incident involving me and Diego Costa in the game last night. For the record Diego did not bite me.”

 :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Monday, March 14, 2016, 22:34:13
"Although now he has kissed and nibbled my neck I think I'm pregnant and will have to marry him my dad says" Is surely underneath?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, March 15, 2016, 11:56:46
Football commentary.  The ridiculous hyperbole.  Everything is a fairytale.  Everything is one of the stories of the season.

Apparently a player scored 2 goals on his debut.  Commentators wanking themselves into a frenzy about how unbelievable this is.

Has anyone got a sense of perspective anymore?  Everything is a fairytale or unbelievable.  The bounds of my credulity are rarely actually stretched by what these tosspots feel is amazing.  Maybe Im just too rational.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 15, 2016, 13:01:28
;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 15, 2016, 13:38:07
Ha, thats brilliant!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, March 15, 2016, 15:52:32
Ha the reason why i still buy Viz after 30 years of fart jokes. Some of their social commentary and their piss take of our stupid society is still very good.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, March 16, 2016, 13:48:41
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35818619

I have personal experience of the behavior of some 'professional sportsmen' (footballers) on the lash at the races when I policed Royal Ascot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, March 16, 2016, 14:31:36
this statement from Charlton (although it's actually quite funny, particularly the last paragraph)

http://www.cafc.co.uk//news/article/statement-3009419.aspx


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 16, 2016, 14:34:27
this statement from Charlton (although it's actually quite funny, particularly the last paragraph)

http://www.cafc.co.uk//news/article/statement-3009419.aspx

A lot of that sounds remarkably like what many say about Power though!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 16, 2016, 14:35:33
Surely that star bit wasn't meant to be published?


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 17, 2016, 08:30:53
Pegguy Arphexad in not porn star shocker.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/pegguy-arphexad-former-liverpool-and-leicester-keeper-denies-he-became-a-porn-star-a6934216.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 17, 2016, 11:08:29
Whatever you think of Joey Barton, he does occasionally stumble across making a good point..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03mzfgg


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 17, 2016, 12:15:25
 International friendlies Easter weekend. So we'll probably lose Louis for a couple of games.  At least, this time the likes of Jack Stephens and Jon Swift are elsewhere and Yaser, Jordans Stewart and Williams no longer on the scene.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, March 18, 2016, 03:02:30
International friendlies Easter weekend. So we'll probably lose Louis for a couple of games.  At least, this time the likes of Jack Stephens and Jon Swift are elsewhere and Yaser, Jordans Stewart and Williams no longer on the scene.

When was the last time Yaser played?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Friday, March 18, 2016, 07:00:36
He was injured against Gillingham on the 6th Feb so almost six weeks now


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 18, 2016, 07:19:10
When was the last time Yaser played?
Properly with his heart in it, around February 2015 I think?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 19, 2016, 22:44:16
Fuck off. Just fuck off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/19/premier-league-in-negotiations-for-under-21-teams-to-enter-johns/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 19, 2016, 22:46:04
Fuck off. Just fuck off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/19/premier-league-in-negotiations-for-under-21-teams-to-enter-johns/

You know things are going horribly wrong when even Scudamore is on the right side.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, March 19, 2016, 23:28:38
Am I being a total fuckwit, but why cannot these 16 teams desperate to play games just play each other and other youth set ups?


Title: Re:
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 19, 2016, 23:39:15
Am I being a total fuckwit, but why cannot these 16 teams desperate to play games just play each other and other youth set ups?

They do already don't they? I mean you have the Premier under 21 league.
It's not fucking up the lower leagues enough though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, March 28, 2016, 09:17:07
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35900042


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Talk Talk on Monday, March 28, 2016, 10:32:35
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35900042

I suppose Flashheart will be defecting to the Foxes now as well  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, March 28, 2016, 17:30:42
I suppose Flashheart will be defecting to the Foxes now as well  :(

Wouldn't entirely blame him!

Quote
But King Power has had to respond to the growing fan base in Thailand, and now lays on free food and beer at its futuristic headquarters in Bangkok for the big games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 28, 2016, 17:33:55
Free food and beer?

Always have had a soft spot for The Foxes......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, March 28, 2016, 20:17:25
Connor Washington scored on his Northern debut tonight, it's the first time he has been to the country


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, March 28, 2016, 20:26:15
Connor Washington scored on his Northern debut tonight, it's the first time he has been to the country

The grandparent rule really is ridiculous. Particularly because according to it I'm Japanese/French/Scottish (ranked in order or desirability).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 28, 2016, 21:06:10
Connor Washington scored on his Northern debut tonight, it's the first time he has been to the country

Northern Ireland isn't a country....it's a province of the UK.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pete on Monday, March 28, 2016, 21:36:49
Northern Ireland isn't a country....it's a province of the UK.

Indeed, we should have a UK football team, same as the Olympic team


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Christy on Monday, March 28, 2016, 22:00:25
Indeed, we should have a UK football team, same as the Olympic team

Or indeed an Irish one, as with the rugby team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, March 28, 2016, 22:12:35
Northern Ireland isn't a country....it's a province of the UK.

The point still stands


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:11:51
Zlatan wants 600k a week if he moves to the prem. Is he mad?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:18:21
Zlatan wants 600k a week if he moves to the prem. Is he mad?
No transfer fee though so 2 year deal for example and it's not as mad as it seems


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:24:49
No transfer fee though so 2 year deal for example and it's not as mad as it seems

It bloody well is, even after tax he will take home 350k a week. Thats A WEEK!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:38:55
It bloody well is, even after tax he will take home 350k a week. Thats A WEEK!!

Pfft, I wouldn't get out of bed for those wages!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:42:08
No transfer fee though so 2 year deal for example and it's not as mad as it seems
Based on paying his wages alone thats £64m for 2 years....thats obscene.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:43:17
Based on paying his wages alone thats £64m for 2 years....thats obscene.

He's good, but he's not that good..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 1, 2016, 15:53:34
It bloody well is, even after tax he will take home 350k a week. Thats A WEEK!!
Ha ha, you really think he'll be paying that much tax? Paying the tax you owe is just for mugs like us, the rich have their own rules.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, April 1, 2016, 16:17:40
Zlatan wants 600k a week if he moves to the prem. Is he mad?

No, hes a fucking twat


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, April 1, 2016, 16:24:08
No, hes a fucking twat

Takes one to know one..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, April 1, 2016, 17:14:57
Takes one to know one..

You know that's not true in fact.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, April 1, 2016, 20:03:25
Bet he goes to Bournemouth to allow howe to continue his son of god like miracle working.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Friday, April 1, 2016, 23:35:39
You know that's not true in fact.

It is true. For example, I know you are a witty, urbane, well dressed, highly educated man. Takes one to know one, you see...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, April 2, 2016, 05:50:18
It bloody well is, even after tax he will take home 350k a week. Thats A WEEK!!

You know footballers negotiate their salary in after tax terms, right? If he wants £600,000 per week, that'll be net of tax.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, April 2, 2016, 06:40:40
It is true. For example, I know you are a witty, urbane, well dressed, highly educated man. Takes one to know one, you see...

Bloody hell you're right. That's a typically astute and insightful comment from the well-informed and sophisticated gent that you are.

Funny, I was sure I knew some twats.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, April 4, 2016, 07:46:52
Based on paying his wages alone thats £64m for 2 years....thats obscene.
Maybe obscene but when you think they would likely have to pay 40-50m for that class of player it ends up paying for itself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, April 4, 2016, 11:38:25
It is only obscene if someone gives him the opportunity to earn that sort of money.

If some twat wants to pay it to him the good for him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, April 4, 2016, 11:49:14
Pfft, I wouldn't get out of bed for those wages!

How's your bed?  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 11, 2016, 12:52:18
Good to see that Leicester haven't in fact broken the mould and the "fairytale path to success against the odds" is still just the same old tale of dodgy deals as usual in football

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/11/leicester-city-finances-football-league-financial-fair-play-investigation


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Monday, April 11, 2016, 13:02:51
Sounds considerably dodgier than whatever financial misdemeanours Hillier and Macari cooked up in the late 80s. So look forward to Leicester being relegated a couple of divisions and forced to hand the Premier League trophy over to Spurs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 11, 2016, 13:14:08
Still waiting for QPR to be hit with that £60m fine and expulsion from the Football league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 11, 2016, 13:36:06
Sounds very much like the deal that Man City have with Etihad, but must be dodgy as the company have no website nor telephone number, the company I work for have neither either we are dodgy as hell apparently!

Football finance at the upper (in fact possibly all) levels is dodgy as hell, but when a story starts using opposing sources who ask not to be named I do wonder of the evidence supporting such matters. Sadly the figures quoted in this story are a drop in the ocean to others...

Plus the football media need to rapidly burst the Leicester bubble as their beloved 'top four' aren't going to win anything and they are in grave danger of looking like misinformed clueless pricks for completely slating Ranieri when he was appointed and then Leicester going on to win the title...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, April 11, 2016, 15:05:37
Don't forget Leicester went into Admin soon after their stadium was built, and then only paid a small percentage under the CVA for it.

The 10 point deduction came in after that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 11, 2016, 15:17:34
Don't forget Leicester went into Admin soon after their stadium was built, and then only paid a small percentage under the CVA for it.

The 10 point deduction came in after that.

Did they actually pay anything as wasn't it owned by a third party and leased to them - only coming into club ownership when the present owners bought it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 11, 2016, 15:54:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36017396

Be very interesting to see the details of this 'deal' - I still suspect there is legal wrangling to come....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 11, 2016, 16:01:35
Am I right in thinking that we're still effectively paying for the stadium from tax, meaning we would be paying for West Ham to own a new stadium?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 11, 2016, 16:03:30
Am I right in thinking that we're still effectively paying for the stadium from tax, meaning we would be paying for West Ham to own a new stadium?

Thats how it sounds as apparently West Ham won't be paying the staff, which I assume means that LLDC are footing the bill..... Could West Ham therefore be the first ever nationalised football team?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 11, 2016, 16:45:26
Am I right in thinking that we're still effectively paying for the stadium from tax, meaning we would be paying for West Ham to own a new stadium?

Yes and no.

West Ham will not own the stadium, they will have a 99 year lease, for which they pay around £2m per year in rent I believe and £15m upfront towards the refurb costs.  So in total, they will pay over £200m towards the costs over the lifetime of the lease.  Essentially it's just like us, only on a very different scale.  We could easily go to our Council and get a deal where they build a nice new set of stands for us and we pay them a decent rate on a lease to cover it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, April 11, 2016, 23:29:21
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36020849

Urgh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 05:40:26
love the quotes "and us TRUE fans miss out"

yawn, yawn


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 07:26:11
Well I suspect the first guy can afford it, when he thinks a 2nd hand car is 15 grand, not where I shop mate!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 07:52:14
Hypothetically, you are a Swindon Town ST holder and we are in the same situation as Leicester.

You could sell your ticket for say 10k for the last home game of the season. Would you do it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 08:06:41
Hypothetically, you are a Swindon Town ST holder and we are in the same situation as Leicester.

You could sell your ticket for say 10k for the last home game of the season. Would you do it?

I get the impression that a lot of ST holders would sell their ticker this season for the last game for £10


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 08:21:19
£10 for a heart transplant, now that is reasonable


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 08:32:42
I get the impression that a lot of ST holders would sell their ticker this season for the last game for £10

My last game this season is the Chesterfield game and I'm not renewing this season. If we play appallingly I might throw my season ticket onto the pitch at the end in disgust. That'll learn them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 08:47:37
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36020849

Urgh.


I suspect the same would happen if any team (bar the traditional big boys) were in Leicester position.

It's the culture of the ticketing market these days. People make shit load out of flogging on high demand tickets. A mate of mine sold 2 tickets for Man Utd v Barca CL final at Wembley a few years back for £3K


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 09:19:08
I suspect the same would happen if any team (bar the traditional big boys) were in Leicester position.

It's the culture of the ticketing market these days. People make shit load out of flogging on high demand tickets. A mate of mine sold 2 tickets for Man Utd v Barca CL final at Wembley a few years back for £3K

Kind of makes a mockery of supporters being all haughty about being referred to as customers really!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 20:53:28
Hypothetically, you are a Swindon Town ST holder and we are in the same situation as Leicester.

You could sell your ticket for say 10k for the last home game of the season. Would you do it?

Well.. No. Although it does make more sense when you phrase it that way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 23:35:26
Yes and no.

West Ham will not own the stadium, they will have a 99 year lease, for which they pay around £2m per year in rent I believe and £15m upfront towards the refurb costs.  So in total, they will pay over £200m towards the costs over the lifetime of the lease.  Essentially it's just like us, only on a very different scale.  We could easily go to our Council and get a deal where they build a nice new set of stands for us and we pay them a decent rate on a lease to cover it.

Speaking as an East herts council taxpayer, it's a good result to get a tenant in that's paying anything.
The alternative was for it to be empty most of the year and get used for a couple of athletics meetings, and lose xxx millions in up keep etc.

I think you'll find that the boroughs in the Lee Valley underwrote the cost of the stadia - main park and white water - so I don't think the taxpayer outside the Lee valley has to worry about anything, and therefore has no need to winge about West Ham saving me from bankrupcy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, April 13, 2016, 08:48:50
Sky going on about Celtic v Rangers, like it's the biggest game of the century.

You'll see plenty of those games next season...at least 4.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Wednesday, April 13, 2016, 19:37:14
£10 for a heart transplant, now that is reasonable

 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 10:28:52
Speaking as an East herts council taxpayer, it's a good result to get a tenant in that's paying anything.
The alternative was for it to be empty most of the year and get used for a couple of athletics meetings, and lose xxx millions in up keep etc.

I think you'll find that the boroughs in the Lee Valley underwrote the cost of the stadia - main park and white water - so I don't think the taxpayer outside the Lee valley has to worry about anything, and therefore has no need to winge about West Ham saving me from bankrupcy

Turns out to be £2.5m a year...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36043808


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 10:56:09
Turns out to be £2.5m a year...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36043808

Don't forget the £15m (around 5%) they contributed towards the £272m which has been spent to convert the site for use as a Premier League ground. Somewhat less than we were apparently going to spend on the CG in 2010 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8428816.Swindon_Town_fans_welcome_new___20m_stadium/

Wherever one stands when you consider that Spurs are paying c.£400m for their new ground and looking at the figures on here http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/revealed-how-cost-tottenhams-new-7029654 someone has negotiated a great deal - no idea how they have managed for it to be so incentive based?

I am surprised they haven't fallen over State Aid rules with this?

 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 11:41:31
They also pay zero running costs. Heating, electricity, under-soil heating, policing.... even fucking corner flags and goal posts...

Fair play to them, what a deal they've negotiated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 12:03:40
Should be able to get some decent chants out of that though. "We pay for your flags" being a good starting point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 13:03:22
Stadium owner gets the first £500k of catering, with tenants getting 30% of anything over that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 17:01:17
I understand that it was a well known fact up there that he was deliberately not played until he couldn't hit the trigger and then played all the games following that date;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36044285


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 17:45:17
I understand that it was a well known fact up there that he was deliberately not played until he couldn't hit the trigger and then played all the games following that date;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36044285
As far as I understand it there are two issues - discrimination because of his illness and stopping him from playing, thus triggering the appearance-based clause. For the second a lot of clubs could be in trouble as I'm sure they all do it. I know Swindon have definitely done it - notably when they first went into administration with Robin Hulbert who couldn't play more than 29 games otherwise we would have had to pay an additional fee (and probably an appearance bonus to the player).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 20:00:33
Think the trigger clause is still being considered under the Discrimination Act, because they were trying to avoid extending a contract of someone with/suffered from a serious illness.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: manc_red on Thursday, April 14, 2016, 21:08:45
Think the trigger clause is still being considered under the Discrimination Act, because they were trying to avoid extending a contract of someone with/suffered from a serious illness.

Yep. Just not extending a trigger clause on its own is not an issue. It only is here because it's linked to the fact he had a disability.

In fact an employer or anyone else can discriminate on whatever basis it likes perfectly lawfully; unless it's on the grounds of one of the 7 characteristics protected under the Equality Act (disability being one of them).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: inept and tiresome on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 16:48:38
substitutions used to slow the game down. subs should be made as the game continues.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, April 16, 2016, 16:52:49
substitutions used to slow the game down. subs should be made as the game continues.

That suggestion is actually neither inept nor crass. Get onto it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, April 17, 2016, 13:56:16
People defending Jamie Vardy by suggesting that his sending-off wasn't a blatant attempt to con the referee into giving Leicester City a penalty.

The official won't get praised by the press, he'll be told that his decision was 'harsh' etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Sunday, April 17, 2016, 14:05:31
People defending Jamie Vardy by suggesting that his sending-off wasn't a blatant attempt to con the referee into giving Leicester City a penalty.

The official won't get praised by the press, he'll be told that his decision was 'harsh' etc.

IMO the ref got it spot on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 17, 2016, 14:06:08
he did a Superman impression to try and win a penalty. fucktard.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 17, 2016, 15:25:26
That suggestion is actually neither inept nor crass. Get onto it.
Indeed.

There is so much gamesmanship in football that ruins games, my pet hate is the bizarre application of the obstruction rule


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 20:12:13
Players "showing passion" by getting needless red cards. Watching the Merseyside derby and Funes Mori has just been sent off for stamping on Divock Origi's ankle for no reason at all, in the middle of the pitch. Walks off gesturing to the badge and gets applauded by the Everton fans. Why? The berk's just cost you any chance of a come back for no good reason. It's not showing passion, it's being a daft prick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 22:01:17
I think it's because the fans would rather interpret such offences as "I REALLY want to win this game, therefore I will get easily frustrated if things aren't going our way" rather than what is the truth in 99% of cases, I.e. "lots of people are getting angry and my brain has stopped working"

...NT to get sent off at home to Oxford next season?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 09:01:29
Players "showing passion" by getting needless red cards. Watching the Merseyside derby and Funes Mori has just been sent off for stamping on Divock Origi's ankle for no reason at all, in the middle of the pitch. Walks off gesturing to the badge and gets applauded by the Everton fans. Why? The berk's just cost you any chance of a come back for no good reason. It's not showing passion, it's being a daft prick.

Simon Hughes summed this up very well in the Independent:

'With Everton two down at the break, a vicious stamp by Ramiro Funes Mori on Divock Origi was punished by a straight red card. The lack of fight in Everton before was as obvious as his recklessness. From 50 yards away in his technical area Jürgen Klopp spotted it and television replays revealed the German grimacing at the point of impact, which led the striker to being carried off on a stretcher. Klopp described Origi’s fate as a “big shadow” on an otherwise excellent performance.

Mori, meanwhile, exited the pitch to the sound of Evertonian applause after he reacted to the punishment by beating the badge on his chest repeatedly, a sign he considered his action as a sort of warped honour. Seemingly, it slipped his mind that he will now miss the most important game of Everton’s season.'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 09:13:52
Simon Hughes summed this up very well in the Independent:

'With Everton two down at the break, a vicious stamp by Ramiro Funes Mori on Divock Origi was punished by a straight red card. The lack of fight in Everton before was as obvious as his recklessness. From 50 yards away in his technical area Jürgen Klopp spotted it and television replays revealed the German grimacing at the point of impact, which led the striker to being carried off on a stretcher. Klopp described Origi’s fate as a “big shadow” on an otherwise excellent performance.

Mori, meanwhile, exited the pitch to the sound of Evertonian applause after he reacted to the punishment by beating the badge on his chest repeatedly, a sign he considered his action as a sort of warped honour. Seemingly, it slipped his mind that he will now miss the most important game of Everton’s season.'


I bet he also has to be held back by his team mates from punching opposition players and shouts 'come on then' at other supporters whilst standing behind a police cordon.

Posturing of the highest order!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 19:26:54
The AC Milan Nivea haka.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 20:07:41
The AC Milan Nivea haka.

How.. Do.. What? How do those words fit together?  :headhurts:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 21:43:13
How.. Do.. What? How do those words fit together?  :headhurts:

He's taken your Tokyo Sexwale game to another level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 21:50:21
Nicky Ajose not making the League 1 team of the season!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 22, 2016, 05:41:35
How.. Do.. What? How do those words fit together?  :headhurts:

In fairness, it wasn't the squd but it was icky. Real icky.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 22, 2016, 14:00:04
(http://mobile.bcfc.co.uk/cms_images/events/20160422-lancerscottshirt43213-3074128_478x359.jpg)

For all of Lee Power's flaws, I don't think you'd ever see a hashtag on the front of our shirts under his tenure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 22, 2016, 14:28:43
Crumbs that is an absolute horror show...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, April 24, 2016, 15:26:04
Arsenal fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, April 24, 2016, 15:42:04
Most things


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Sunday, April 24, 2016, 15:52:45
Louis van Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal stating that the Chumpions League is more important than the FA Cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, April 24, 2016, 16:27:28
These days, that is a no brainer really.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, April 24, 2016, 16:32:46
The Reality of a palace v. Man Utd cup final... The shit house manager v. The shit house club....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 29, 2016, 08:34:35
THis sounds like Jed v. Power but with proper businessmen involved....

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/734365-laundered-money-may-have-been-invested-in-football-club.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NorthWest_29th_Apr_2016_-_Daily_E-mail


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 29, 2016, 09:44:04
proper businessmen that are alleged to have invested laundered money...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 29, 2016, 10:28:38
proper businessmen that are alleged to have invested laundered money...

When I wrote it to be honest I couldn't think of the terminology I wanted to use but I was in a rush as I had a client hassling me, I suppose I meant 'grown up big international' businessmen rather than a racehorse owner v. a double glazing magnate.....  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 29, 2016, 10:44:42
Given what we're finding out about the way most of our leading banks, fashion retailers, oil companies etc seem to have conducted themselves in recent years, I don't see that horlock's original post was in any way inaccurate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, May 2, 2016, 13:37:34
The Oyston family (yet again). Fair play to Blackpool fans - a reported 3,000 took part in the portest and despite what official figures might say, that's more than have been attending home games recently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3567167/Blackpool-chairman-Karl-Oyston-pictured-laughing-raucously-fans-protest-ownership-team-thrashed-4-0-Wigan-Athletic-secure-relegation.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 14:31:50
Quote
Leicester City had a 5000 to 1 chance of winning the Premier title.

Now they have, the league's executive chairman, Richard Scudamore, has said the club is poised to become a global football brand.

 :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 17:15:27
Just about anything Scudamore says deserves to be put in here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 17:21:38
Just about anything Scudamore says deserves to be put in here.

Sky, Scudamore, FIFA, MK. Thread closed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 15:42:39
Come 5pm Saturday either Brizzle Robots or Pissflaps United will be promoted to L1.

Ordinarily, the yellow fuckers would be the automatic club to miss out for me. But I do have a seething distaste for Brizzle and I hope it's them followed by play off failure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 17:10:43
They could both get autos couldn't they


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 17:23:42
I've discounted that possibility on the grounds it would make me vomit - plus I have total faith in Accrington, the real fairytale.

Oxford have the hardest game, home to Wycombe, plus they are perennial bottlers. But I still fancy already relegated Dagenham to fuck Brizzle over


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 17:32:53
I fully expect Oxford to win comfortably.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 20:54:05
I fully expect Oxford to win comfortably.
Me too, unfortunately. It would be a hoot if they screwed up but I fear they will breeze it and the Pox fans will spend the whole summer having wet dreams about taking six points off us next season.

When was the last time they finished a season above us?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 21:02:58
Me too, unfortunately. It would be a hoot if they screwed up but I fear they will breeze it and the Pox fans will spend the whole summer having wet dreams about taking six points off us next season.

When was the last time they finished a season above us?

97/98.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 21:20:48
97/98.
Cheers, Reg. The best thing about that season was probably the kits! I wore the away one at the San Siro and got more than a few double takes from the Inter fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 14:56:05
Cheers, Reg. The best thing about that season was probably the kits! I wore the away one at the San Siro and got more than a few double takes from the Inter fans.

Having seen so many seasons, the memories do tend to consist of a few games or players etc.  That season we started very well, Chris Hay was on fire (stubble burning still allowed back then)

OK we got stuffed 6-0 at Maine Road, but we may have briefly topped the league, and then had a game v MBoro at the CG in Nov, who were also up there, 15,000+ at the CG, I doubt we've had a bigger league crowd since.

We lost and it's been more or less downhill since...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 15:01:19
Brizzle Robots

Sorry what?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 18:59:51
Kicking off last Div 3 games of the season at 12:30 on a Sunday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 19:01:16
Kicking off last Div 3 games of the season at 12:30 on a Sunday.

Whilst the championship and league 2 play on saturday. What the fucks that about?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 19:09:01
It's absolutely stupid scheduling.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 19:16:02
the  FA don't give a fuck, but are consistent. like when two northern teams get to play at Wembley on a Sunday at 5:45


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 19:20:11
Whilst the championship and league 2 play on saturday. What the fucks that about?

I'll guess there's a game on Sky, that kicks off then, so the rest of us have to fall in line.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 5, 2016, 19:27:59
I'll guess there's a game on Sky, that kicks off then, so the rest of us have to fall in line.



Doncaster vs Burton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, May 7, 2016, 20:40:12
Sad to hear another young footballer, this time Cameroon international Patrick Ekeng suffered a heart attack and died on the pitch whilst playing for Dinamo Bucharest.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 9, 2016, 14:28:24
Cutting down on the important footballing matters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8690435.stm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 9, 2016, 14:33:46
Cutting down on the important footballing matters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8690435.stm

Personally think its a good thing, but then again its another matter that's open to personal interpretation by the referee!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 9, 2016, 14:35:36
Personally think its a good thing, but then again its another matter that's open to personal interpretation by the referee!

On your latter point, you're quite right.

"I didn't stop, I stuttered!"

Imagine losing a shoot-out in that manner.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 9, 2016, 15:34:56
Cutting down on the important footballing matters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8690435.stm

That article is 6 years old!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, May 9, 2016, 15:37:06
That article is 6 years old!

Haha so it is.

The ruling has been made today though amongst others.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 9, 2016, 15:38:18
Haha so it is.

The ruling has been made today though amongst others.

Ah ok, I did wonder if you were going a bit mental! :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: lambourn red on Monday, May 9, 2016, 17:25:38
I see the piss stains are having an open top bus parade tomorrow for finishing 13 points behind Northampton in Division 4 bless them  :no: forecast is good for them  :badmood: :clap:

http://www.oufc.co.uk/news/article/oxford-united.-parade-3105654.aspx


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, May 9, 2016, 17:38:08
I see the piss stains are having an open top bus parade tomorrow for finishing 13 points behind Northampton in Division 4 bless them  :no: forecast is good for them  :badmood: :clap:

http://www.oufc.co.uk/news/article/oxford-united.-parade-3105654.aspx

It has to be said that's a bit pathetic....they did have one for finishing 3rd in the Conference mind, so I suppose it's consistent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 9, 2016, 17:44:36
I see the piss stains are having an open top bus parade tomorrow for finishing 13 points behind Northampton in Division 4 bless them  :no: forecast is good for them  :badmood: :clap:

http://www.oufc.co.uk/news/article/oxford-united.-parade-3105654.aspx

That's actually quite funny.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 9, 2016, 17:44:41
It has to be said that's a bit pathetic....they did have one for finishing 3rd in the Conference mind, so I suppose it's consistent.

Don't forget they have their Runners-up medals for the JPT too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, May 9, 2016, 22:30:47
Haha fucking hell. I'm sad enough to collect mementos from big football occasions (just in case I ever want to do a Brind) so I have a few things, like a programme from '69, tickets from Wembley POs, but if I was an Oxford fan I probably wouldn't be able to leave my house. it'd be piled to the ceiling with "NOT WINNING THE TITLE" t shirts and half and half scarves from "that time we played Burnley".

What a tragic little club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 08:26:52
The problem is, over the last few years, the powers that be have started to give out trophies/medals for getting promotion.

Back in the 80's, you won promotion...and that was it. Then the play-offs arrived, and until the mid 90's there was a trophy but no medals, then they started to issue winner medals. Then someone realized that the Champions and play-off winners got a trophy/medals...and runners-up team didn't, who also got promoted...so they started to receive something as well.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 08:37:04
Do we get a certificate of participation for this year?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 08:40:27
Do we get a certificate of participation for this year?

 :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 08:45:30
Do we get a certificate of participation for this year?

I suspect our Report will say, could do better....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 08:50:19
I don't see the problem myself.. I'm sure Swindon Town would have a promotion parade if we went up in 2nd place..

I'm no lover of Oxford, but I just don't see what the issue is, personally.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:08:28
I don't see the problem myself.. I'm sure Swindon Town would have a promotion parade if we went up in 2nd place..

I'm no lover of Oxford, but I just don't see what the issue is, personally.

I'd have rolled my eyes over this regardless of club because there's really no need but they'll be treating this like a fan recruitment drive or something like that.

We didn't have one for finishing third which, in L2 terms, is the same thing. We didn't even have one when we won L2, opting for The Lightning Seeds and Toploader instead.

Also, I like the little feud they've started with Northampton.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:12:00
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36252545

I assume that the banners at Oxford will say third place finish and third rate town?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:16:56
I don't see the problem myself.. I'm sure Swindon Town would have a promotion parade if we went up in 2nd place..

I'm no lover of Oxford, but I just don't see what the issue is, personally.

We won that league and didn't have an open top bus parade.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:19:00
We won that league and didn't have an open top bus parade.

No, but we did have a promotion/end of season party...

I still don't see the problem, but each to their own I guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:24:11
You're boring. Just laugh at Oxford with the rest of us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:26:39
The problem is, over the last few years, the powers that be have started to give out trophies/medals for getting promotion.

Back in the 80's, you won promotion...and that was it. Then the play-offs arrived, and until the mid 90's there was a trophy but no medals, then they started to issue winner medals. Then someone realized that the Champions and play-off winners got a trophy/medals...and runners-up team didn't, who also got promoted...so they started to receive something as well.



I noticed Burton had a trophy also, but they were runners up which I found odd. They should probably get a shield or a plate or something like they do at Wimbledon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:27:17
Yeah, fuck off Darlo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 09:34:16
The problem is, over the last few years, the powers that be have started to give out trophies/medals for getting promotion.

Back in the 80's, you won promotion...and that was it. Then the play-offs arrived, and until the mid 90's there was a trophy but no medals, then they started to issue winner medals. Then someone realized that the Champions and play-off winners got a trophy/medals...and runners-up team didn't, who also got promoted...so they started to receive something as well.



I thought this the other day when Burton had a trophy lift. What's the trophy? They haven't won anything!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 10:33:37
HAHAHAHA FUCK OFF OXFORD CUNTS!!! Stop being happy about Promotion #ForeverInOurShadows....

Is that better?  8)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 10:41:34
much better


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:25:53
HAHAHAHA FUCK OFF OXFORD CUNTS!!! Stop being happy about Promotion #ForeverInOurShadows....

Is that better?  8)

Excellently put, sir


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:30:19
Excellently put, sir

 :thumb:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:30:47
I thought this the other day when Burton had a trophy lift. What's the trophy? They haven't won anything!

And now you know why. Personally the Champions win a trophy, and the rest that get automatic or go up via the play-offs should get nothing.

What next, the PL will introduce trophies for finishing in the CL places....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 11:34:12
They must do already because Wenger did say that finishing in the top four was a trophy for the club a couple of years ago when asked about a lack of silverware.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 12:07:41
And now you know why. Personally the Champions win a trophy, and the rest that get automatic or go up via the play-offs should get nothing.

What next, the PL will introduce trophies for finishing in the CL places....

I have never really understood why the Champions win a trophy and then the Play off winners who may have finished 6th also get one?

I think from reading the Oxford Mail they are planning to unveil the newly commissioned (and much awaited) Only 13 points shitter than Northampton Town trophy during the Oxford parade?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 14:18:16
I'd have rolled my eyes over this regardless of club because there's really no need but they'll be treating this like a fan recruitment drive or something like that.

We didn't have one for finishing third which, in L2 terms, is the same thing. We didn't even have one when we won L2, opting for The Lightning Seeds and Toploader instead.

Also, I like the little feud they've started with Northampton.

Are they doing a Shrewsbury? Bless 'em.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 15:36:50
I think from reading the Oxford Mail they are planning to unveil the newly commissioned (and much awaited) Only 13 points shitter than Northampton Town trophy during the Oxford parade?

But they are the real winners as per Appleton...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 19:14:44
Nice to see the West Ham fans commemorating the final acts of violence outside Upton Park.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 20:07:44
Nice to see the West Ham fans commemorating the final acts of violence outside Upton Park.

Here's a better Upton Park memory

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19930113



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 21:54:07
The goodbye to Upton Park -> Fireworks, nightclub lasers and Ben Shepherd with a Dick Van Dyke cockney accent. Proper nawty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 22:07:20
On a related note, how have West Ham managed to sell over 50,000 season tickets for next season?  Have they been giving them away to fill the new ground?


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 22:11:14
On a related note, how have West Ham managed to sell over 50,000 season tickets for next season?  Have they been giving them away to fill the new ground?
I think the tickets are the cheapest in the PL if i remember correctly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 22:12:31
On a related note, how have West Ham managed to sell over 50,000 season tickets for next season?  Have they been giving them away to fill the new ground?
30,000 on a waiting list as well so obviously more support than you'd expect.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 22:13:00
The goodbye to Upton Park -> Fireworks, nightclub lasers and Ben Shepherd with a Dick Van Dyke cockney accent. Proper nawty.
Ridiculous ovet the top bullshit, been doing my head in the amount of press coverage this has received, don't remember it when Arsenal moved from Highbury and that was far more iconic imo


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 22:16:38
Ridiculous ovet the top bullshit, been doing my head in the amount of press coverage this has received, don't remember it when Arsenal moved from Highbury and that was far more iconic imo
There was a lot, arsenal even changed their kit for that season to maroon as was their original colours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, May 10, 2016, 22:17:09
At least it's taken Leicester out the headlines for 10 minutes..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 06:33:21
On a related note, how have West Ham managed to sell over 50,000 season tickets for next season?  Have they been giving them away to fill the new ground?

They are dirt cheap and their fan base is huge. This could really push West Ham on, particularly if they secure European football. Spurs need to get their stadium sorted sharpish or the balance of power will shift East.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 07:54:19
They are dirt cheap and their fan base is huge. This could really push West Ham on, particularly if they secure European football. Spurs need to get their stadium sorted sharpish or the balance of power will shift East.

I believe the cheapest adult ST is £299, and an U16 ST is £99.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 08:04:16
Nice to see the West Ham fans commemorating the final acts of violence outside Upton Park.

There was no violence of attack on the Man Utd Bus, spiv in chief Sullivan confirmed this on fivelive, it was all Man Utd's fault anyone, if they had arrived at 4.00pm and barricaded themselves in the ground it would have been fine!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 08:06:47
At least it's taken Leicester out the headlines for 10 minutes..

Spoken like a true Spurs fan  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 08:52:29
Spurs need to get their stadium sorted sharpish

They are, up and running in new place in 3 or 4 years time


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 17:29:45
Spoken like a true Spurs fan  :girlgiggle:

I don't know what you mean...  :unsure:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, May 11, 2016, 20:52:48
On a related note, how have West Ham managed to sell over 50,000 season tickets for next season?  Have they been giving them away to fill the new ground?
Taxpayer subsidies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 13, 2016, 11:38:09
And West Ham are flogging the Upton Park site for 842 flats, they are going to be rolling in it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36170590


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 13, 2016, 12:34:40
Boleyn! It's the fucking Boleyn!

Haven't you listened at all to the Sky professional broadcaster?

As an aside - when did Eden Hazard become Eden Hazar?

Does my head in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 13, 2016, 12:39:03
Boleyn! It's the fucking Boleyn!

Haven't you listened at all to the Sky professional broadcaster?

As an aside - when did Eden Hazard become Eden Hazar?

Does my head in

Its a site in Upton Park, therefore my description is geographically correct.  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, May 13, 2016, 15:28:12

As an aside - when did Eden Hazard become Eden Hazar?

Does my head in

What have you been calling him?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 13, 2016, 15:30:00
The commentators have taken to dropping the 'd' off his name for some reason.

They did it with another player whose name escapes me at the moment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, May 13, 2016, 15:33:19
That's how it's pronounced, that's the reason  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, May 13, 2016, 15:34:00
The commentators have taken to dropping the 'd' off his name for some reason.

They did it with another player whose name escapes me at the moment.

Kun Aguero...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 13, 2016, 15:38:48
Ah, Kunt


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, May 15, 2016, 17:40:28
The fact that the BBC were interviewing Manchester United supporters outside the ground and not a Mancunian accent to be heard?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, May 15, 2016, 21:36:06
Frankly the level of fuckwittery on display in this whole bombing affair is stunning.

Its the sort of thing Id expect from us.  Its that bad.



Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 15, 2016, 21:48:08
unbelievable,  a realistic fake bomb left  over from a training exercise... that is high level fuckwittery indeed


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Sunday, May 15, 2016, 21:52:17
unbelievable,  a realistic fake bomb left  over from a training exercise... that is high level fuckwittery indeed
Private company that left it there, police did a great job by all accounts in dealing with that.

Ridiculous that someone forgot to collect a fake bloody bomb


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, May 15, 2016, 22:56:17
Bet the Bournemouth fans that travelled up are rightly going mental about it. Surely the company should have to cover their travel?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, May 15, 2016, 23:30:53
Bet the Bournemouth fans that travelled up are rightly going mental about it. Surely the company should have to cover their travel?

The United fans from Devon and Cornwall travelled further.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, May 16, 2016, 08:45:07
The United fans from Devon and Cornwall travelled further.

Not as far as this guy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03v8xdn


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 16, 2016, 08:58:55
Bet the Bournemouth fans that travelled up are rightly going mental about it. Surely the company should have to cover their travel?

To be fair, Man U have said that tickets holders can come to the game for free and they will refund all tickets, which will cost them £3m.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, May 16, 2016, 09:10:01
Private company that left it there, police did a great job by all accounts in dealing with that.

Ridiculous that someone forgot to collect a fake bloody bomb

Even more ridiculous that the firm who left it there didnt stop the abandonement


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, May 16, 2016, 09:20:50
Match of the day.the whole thing from the smarmy lineker the inane witterings of failed manager alan shearer,the dull punditry of pretty much everyone else who appears,the completely pointless announcement of "what's coming up" the obviously retrospective commentaries etc etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, May 16, 2016, 09:29:21
Even more ridiculous that the firm who left it there didnt stop the abandonement

Yeah but what happens if the firm had been infiltrated and the fake bomb had been subbed for a real bomb?

You can't do short cuts with security procedures....


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 16, 2016, 09:53:29
not to mention: we've got a potential bomb. oh, well don't do anything until the security firm that were in last week finds the guy who might have left it there to ask if it's fake...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Stevens on Monday, May 16, 2016, 09:55:29
Surely security on the day would check all the stands, chairs etc way before kick off as a standard procedure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, May 16, 2016, 10:20:02
Jesus Navas.

No idea why this guy winds me up so much, but he does.  On his salary, and playing out wide, you'd think he'd have learned how to cross a ball by now.  I'm sure he used to be good, but I can't remember seeing this guy play well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, May 16, 2016, 10:28:19
Surely security on the day would check all the stands, chairs etc way before kick off as a standard procedure.


they probably did, this was in the toilets though. utd should never have to pay out for this, sue this company for all of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 16, 2016, 11:09:27
they probably did, this was in the toilets though. utd should never have to pay out for this, sue this company for all of it.

Should they not check the toilets as well?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, May 16, 2016, 11:17:46





 
not to mention: we've got a potential bomb. oh, well don't do anything until the security firm that were in last week finds the guy who might have left it there to ask if it's fake...
What?they use a different security firm each week? Thats not very secure


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 16, 2016, 11:34:18
Match of the day.the whole thing from the smarmy lineker the inane witterings of failed manager alan shearer,the dull punditry of pretty much everyone else who appears,the completely pointless announcement of "what's coming up" the obviously retrospective commentaries etc etc.

I agree, however the look on Shearers face last night when Lineker commented something of the lines that Newcastle fucked it up and were relegated as a shambles just like when you were manger, made watching it worthwhile.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 16, 2016, 12:31:04
Not as far as this guy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03v8xdn

Moses is sorted! http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-united-fans-pay-man-7977641


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, May 16, 2016, 12:53:21
they probably did, this was in the toilets though. utd should never have to pay out for this, sue this company for all of it.

This is the real cock up in this fiasco. The device should have been located in the pre match sweep. That is in addition to the fact that the security company doing the training should have counted the bombs out and counted the bombs back in again before finishing the day.

Mind you, it could all have been a cunning (though ultimately pointless) ploy by someone from United to get their game postponed so they new exactly what they needed to do to qualify for CL. I can't see them scoring the required 19 goals but if Spurs had lost, that would have been very useful information to go into the game with........

This could be part of the 80% quota, the decision is yours.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 16, 2016, 13:07:37
This is the real cock up in this fiasco. The device should have been located in the pre match sweep. That is in addition to the fact that the security company doing the training should have counted the bombs out and counted the bombs back in again before finishing the day.

Mind you, it could all have been a cunning (though ultimately pointless) ploy by someone from United to get their game postponed so they new exactly what they needed to do to qualify for CL. I can't see them scoring the required 19 goals but if Spurs had lost, that would have been very useful information to go into the game with........

This could be part of the 80% quota, the decision is yours.

Spurs did lose..... beautifully and in gloriously Spurs fashion!

I was speaking to a friend this morning who works for a NGO and organises these types of courses, her second comment (the first was thank Christ it wasn't us) was incredulity that it got left behind, apparently the first rule is you count them out and you count them in as in the wrong hands they could cause chaos (as yesterday proved to a degree!). 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 20, 2016, 14:44:16
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/20/wayne-rooney-x-men-manchester-united

Everything about this video - the fact that exists primarily. On the other hand, it is really, really funny. Anything for the team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 15:54:13
The scenes at the end of the Scottish Cup Final.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 15:56:38
Those sweaties love busting goalposts don't they.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 16:06:26
Absolute fucking morons.


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 16:35:00
The English disease. Oh

Sent from my MotoG3


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 16:44:07
Those sweaties love busting goalposts don't they.

Proper old skool Sweatie stuff....good to see.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 17:22:45
England appear to have 2 friendlies coming up...you'd have thought it would be better for the players going to the Euros to have a bit of a break, to improve our chances.

However the FA in their infinite greed need to sweat a few more pounds out of the fans...no doubt someone key will get injured....like Gary Cahill did 4 years ago in a pointless friendly v Belgium just before 2012.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 17:28:22
England appear to have 2 friendlies coming up...

3...against Turkey, Australia and Portugal


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 17:28:26
The scenes at the end of the Scottish Cup Final.

As a Hearts fan I can kind of understand the Hobos invading the pitch. That's their first cup win in 114 years. That was a real monkey on their back and its now gone. Don't forget they also lost the league cup final and also lost to Falkirk in the promotion play-off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 17:32:18
also lost to Falkirk in the promotion play-off.

That promotion play-off to go into the top division is a joke. 3rd v 4th, with the winner playing against the side finishing 2nd, and that winner playing off with the 2nd bottom side. Talk about long winded.

Saying that it probably helped them having games in the last few weeks, as Rangers hadn't played for about 3 weeks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 18:10:14
I had no idea before today that England had friendlies coming up!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: hobnob on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 18:34:25
The scenes at the end of the Scottish Cup Final.
Rangers coming over all innocent and hard done by.

Who smashed the centre of Manchester up a few years ago? Short memories there I think.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:29:05
You have no idea what that victory means to Hibs fans if you had a problem with what happened after the final whistle.

I'd have been bashing one out on the centre circle if I was Hibee fan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:30:12
You have no idea what that victory means to Hibs fans if you had a problem with what happened after the final whistle.

I'd have been bashing one out on the centre circle if I was Hibee fan

I don't think it justifies the aggression, personally.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:34:07
I don't think it justifies the aggression, personally.

They probably started drinking at 6am in all fairness, natural that would happen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:34:31
I'm sure the whole Irish thing would have encouraged a few angsty individuals.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:35:41
They probably started drinking at 6am in all fairness, natural that would happen

Oh absolutely, I totally get that.

I don't think they looked passionate at the end though, they just looked moronic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:50:23
Oh absolutely, I totally get that.

I don't think they looked passionate at the end though, they just looked moronic.

That's because they are Hibs fans and probably had enough heroin inside them to sink all the ships on the sea.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mother Brown on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:51:55
So its frec all to do with religion then.?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 19:52:55
That's because they are Hibs fans and probably had enough heroin inside them to sink all the ships on the sea.

Deep fried heroin.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 20:09:13
So its frec all to do with religion then.?

Correct, it's about 114 years, 10 final defeats and getting rid of a massive shadow that has lingered over the club for decades. Doing against one of the old firm adds to the enjoyment as well.

I'm a part time Hibee in case that wasn't obvious!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 20:10:20
So its frec all to do with religion then.?

If you listen very carefully you can here the hibs fans sing, 'It's what we believe, it's what we beliiiiieeeve! Transubstantiation, it's what we believe.'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 21, 2016, 20:11:57
Correct, it's about 114 years, 10 final defeats and getting rid of a massive shadow that has lingered over the club for decades. Doing against one of the old firm adds to the enjoyment as well.

I'm a part time Hibee in case that wasn't obvious!

My commiserations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 23, 2016, 10:48:31
This whole business with the removal of van Gaal, just seems to be shambolic!

That said, the manner in which it has been handled with a complete lack of class suggests that Mourinho should fit right in there, 'Man Utd way' my arse!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, May 23, 2016, 11:35:56
This whole business with the removal of van Gaal, just seems to be shambolic!

That said, the manner in which it has been handled with a complete lack of class suggests that Mourinho should fit right in there, 'Man Utd way' my arse!

I'm not so sure. Id prefer what happened to LVG than pelligrini. Its impossible to keep news quiet at a club the size of utd. There shouldn't be much sympathy, most back passes in the league, fewest goals scored in however long, big budget, so many decent players sold, 5th place finish.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, May 23, 2016, 13:06:01
And once again, a manager given a season to sort things out. Good job for the united of old that Ferguson wasn't sacked after a season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, May 23, 2016, 13:08:45
And once again, a manager given a season to sort things out. Good job for the united of old that Ferguson wasn't sacked after a season.
Had longer than a year


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 23, 2016, 13:18:23
And once again, a manager given a season to sort things out. Good job for the united of old that Ferguson wasn't sacked after a season.

The fact is in two years, and after spending around £250m on players (which is more than Leicester has ever done), he's taken them backwards. Whether Mourinho is the man, well, only time will tell. If Giggs wants to be a manager, he has to learn his trade at a lower league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 23, 2016, 13:20:48
I'm not so sure. Id prefer what happened to LVG than pelligrini. Its impossible to keep news quiet at a club the size of utd. There shouldn't be much sympathy, most back passes in the league, fewest goals scored in however long, big budget, so many decent players sold, 5th place finish.

I wasn't doubting that a change was needed, just the manner in which the whole thing was handled was shambolic and makes a mockery of the suggestion (which they bang on about) that Man Utd are a club that does things 'the right way', have traditions etc etc!

I think Mourinho will potentially be hilarious, also be interesting to see how the Chelsea fans react?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, May 23, 2016, 14:01:34
I think the cunts deserve each other


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 23, 2016, 14:12:36
I think the cunts deserve each other

Very much so!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, May 23, 2016, 14:30:14
Was it really 2 seasons?

Shows how much interest I take in the Premiership doesn't it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, May 23, 2016, 14:36:27
On the same subject but a slightly different tack, I hear an awful lot of premier league, watch football on tv, fans banging on about class.  Oh how classless Man City are.  Oh no, how classless Man United are.  Oh but we're Liverpool we've got tradition and class, oh but we're Chelsea we're the really classy team, yes but we've got a professor type as our manager and less debt because we don't sodding spend all the shitting time so we're really classy.

All of you fuck off.  Thats a word I hate almost as much as hearing about fairy tales (As Ive said endlessly when anyone is being paid upward of the debt of a small eastern european despots national debt per fucking week well you can stick fairytales up your fudge tunnel right off).

How any of the big businesses built on oil exploitation or hedge funds, or whatever other gangsterism has resulted in you having all the bloody money whilst people are relying on foodbanks can fool the gullible consumers of their product that they do it more classily than the same people half a mile down the street is beyond any sense of reality.

Rant over.  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, May 23, 2016, 14:42:28
I wasn't doubting that a change was needed, just the manner in which the whole thing was handled was shambolic and makes a mockery of the suggestion (which they bang on about) that Man Utd are a club that does things 'the right way', have traditions etc etc!

The Chief Exec Ed Woodward is a joke, and really he should resign. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, May 23, 2016, 15:06:45
On the same subject but a slightly different tack, I hear an awful lot of premier league, watch football on tv, fans banging on about class.  Oh how classless Man City are.  Oh no, how classless Man United are.  Oh but we're Liverpool we've got tradition and class, oh but we're Chelsea we're the really classy team, yes but we've got a professor type as our manager and less debt because we don't sodding spend all the shitting time so we're really classy.

All of you fuck off.  Thats a word I hate almost as much as hearing about fairy tales (As Ive said endlessly when anyone is being paid upward of the debt of a small eastern european despots national debt per fucking week well you can stick fairytales up your fudge tunnel right off).

How any of the big businesses built on oil exploitation or hedge funds, or whatever other gangsterism has resulted in you having all the bloody money whilst people are relying on foodbanks can fool the gullible consumers of their product that they do it more classily than the same people half a mile down the street is beyond any sense of reality.

Rant over.  

 :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, May 23, 2016, 19:18:12
On the same subject but a slightly different tack, I hear an awful lot of premier league, watch football on tv, fans banging on about class.  Oh how classless Man City are.  Oh no, how classless Man United are.  Oh but we're Liverpool we've got tradition and class, oh but we're Chelsea we're the really classy team, yes but we've got a professor type as our manager and less debt because we don't sodding spend all the shitting time so we're really classy.

All of you fuck off.  Thats a word I hate almost as much as hearing about fairy tales (As Ive said endlessly when anyone is being paid upward of the debt of a small eastern european despots national debt per fucking week well you can stick fairytales up your fudge tunnel right off).

How any of the big businesses built on oil exploitation or hedge funds, or whatever other gangsterism has resulted in you having all the bloody money whilst people are relying on foodbanks can fool the gullible consumers of their product that they do it more classily than the same people half a mile down the street is beyond any sense of reality.

Rant over.  

I want to print this off and frame it. ❤️

Matthew Syed (who I love, usually) wrote a piece today about how appointing Mourinho would bring Utd into disrepute etc. It nearly made me vomit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, May 24, 2016, 10:00:24
That Man U apparently paid Mourinho £4m to wait until van Gaal got the boot and didn't take another job...despite him having a nice pay-off from Chelsea.

Nice work if you can get it !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 24, 2016, 10:12:49
That Man U apparently paid Mourinho £4m to wait until van Gaal got the boot and didn't take another job...despite him having a nice pay-off from Chelsea.

Nice work if you can get it !!

Yet they have apparently only opened negotiations with him today?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 24, 2016, 10:26:25
Yet they have apparently only opened negotiations with him today?

We all know that's a fudge to get round some HR bullshit to avoid god knows what..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 25, 2016, 17:14:14
We all know that's a fudge to get round some HR bullshit to avoid god knows what..

Perhaps you were right http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36382637

For completeness the link regarding what the rights relate to is at https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/4/EU004365755

Modern football eh, I wonder whether we still own the image rights for Paul Hart or Maurice Malpas, Power could be sitting on a gold mine!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 10:44:49
League 4 clubs losing £800k+ in a season http://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/local/morecambe-football-club-post-830k-loss-1-7939526

At what stage is it concluded that lower league football is not sustainable.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 11:31:11
League 4 clubs losing £800k+ in a season http://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/local/morecambe-football-club-post-830k-loss-1-7939526

At what stage is it concluded that lower league football is not sustainable.....

Probably about the same time as it's decided that UK plc can no longer sustain its debt of £ 4.8 trillion that Mr Osborne has added £555 billion to since 2010


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 11:51:30
Normal service resumed, been a few days since one of these irrelevant Tory references


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 11:59:33
Normal service resumed, been a few days since one of these irrelevant Tory references

Hardly irrelevant, since it's an answer to Horlock's question, based on macro economics, or maybe you don't think football is governed by such rules.

Presumably the fact that some Tory MP's are calling for a change of leadership and a general election, suggests that even they're a little concerned about where the country is heading?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 12:02:40
or maybe you don't think football is governed by such rules.

Im not sure football is run by any economic rules, well very few that seem to be enforced properly


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 12:12:48
Probably about the same time as it's decided that UK plc can no longer sustain its debt of £ 4.8 trillion that Mr Osborne has added £555 billion to since 2010

 :pint: However being an inquisitive type, are you saying that the debt would not have grown without cuts under a Labour Government.....?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 12:33:41
League 4 clubs losing £800k+ in a season http://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/local/morecambe-football-club-post-830k-loss-1-7939526

At what stage is it concluded that lower league football is not sustainable.....
It is sustainable if clubs operate within their means, unfortunately a lot of fans bitch and moan when this happens....


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 07:03:59
Disgraceful
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/west-ham-united-store-closes-down-in-basildon-after-failing-to-secure-government-funding/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 07:18:31
Disgraceful
http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/west-ham-united-store-closes-down-in-basildon-after-failing-to-secure-government-funding/

Looking at the other stories on that site, I'm pretty sure its parody.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 07:38:49
Looking at the other stories on that site, I'm pretty sure its parody.
It is, but reading some of the stuff being written as fact about the referendum the lines between parody and truth have got very blurred these days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 08:29:56
It is, but reading some of the stuff being written as fact about the referendum the lines between parody and truth have got very blurred these days.

To be fair, you are right and I've been caught out by parody stories in the past as well!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 18, 2016, 19:42:00
Pepe being booked for winning the ball. Fucking modern football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 18, 2016, 19:44:44
Pepe being booked for winning the ball. Fucking modern football.

Consider it an exchange for all the things Pepe should genuinely have been booked for


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 18, 2016, 19:52:57
Consider it an exchange for all the things Pepe should genuinely have been booked for

In that case, he's got away with it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: blah blah on Thursday, June 23, 2016, 12:29:14
I might be wrong, but I do believe that the majority of football fans, media, administrators, referees etc would like to cut down on the amount of bitching & moaning the referee gets from players on the pitch. Not just at the top level, but all the way down to grass roots Sunday League football.

Why then, can an ex-player, supposedly an expert pundit, get away with saying during commentary after a dodgy decision "There's no way that was a foul. The England players have every right to have a go at the referee there". How does anyone expect to change the mentality of players when the media are encouraging it ?

Can't remember exactly which cunt it was now, after a while they all blend into one big heap of banality


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 23, 2016, 12:30:35
I might be wrong, but I do believe that the majority of football fans, media, administrators, referees etc would like to cut down on the amount of bitching & moaning the referee gets from players on the pitch. Not just at the top level, but all the way down to grass roots Sunday League football.

Why then, can an ex-player, supposedly an expert pundit, get away with saying during commentary after a dodgy decision "There's no way that was a foul. The England players have every right to have a go at the referee there". How does anyone expect to change the mentality of players when the media are encouraging it ?

Can't remember exactly which cunt it was now, after a while they all blend into one big heap of banality

Probably Keown.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 23, 2016, 13:44:48
Or andy townsend


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: blah blah on Thursday, June 23, 2016, 14:54:43
Probably Keown.

Now you say that I think it was him. Never liked him as a player either, he always came across as a whingy twat


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Thursday, June 23, 2016, 15:06:34

Andy Townsend during the Guinness v pasta lovers match


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 23, 2016, 15:28:20
Now you say that I think it was him. Never liked him as a player either, he always came across as a whingy twat

He's from Oxford so its understandable (says the bloke born in Oxford also  :girlgiggle:)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 8, 2016, 09:17:52
Amusingly, the ridiculous JPT changes are about to be declined by the top clubs who won't bother entering their U21 teams into the competition. You'd have thought one of the blobfish in charge of this idea might have asked them first.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 8, 2016, 09:23:56
Amusingly, the ridiculous JPT changes are about to be declined by the top clubs who won't bother entering their U21 teams into the competition. You'd have thought one of the blobfish in charge of this idea might have asked them first.

Yep, its a farce isn't it. Also mentioned in this Fred.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=56479.msg1387921;topicseen#new


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, July 8, 2016, 19:15:23
Amusingly, the ridiculous JPT changes are about to be declined by the top clubs who won't bother entering their U21 teams into the competition. You'd have thought one of the blobfish in charge of this idea might have asked them first.

 :D I wish all references to the FA / Dyke / his cronies autocorrected to that.

Although as Squires himself mentioned it probably is unfair on the actual blobfish who is nowhere near as awful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 9, 2016, 20:54:35
#weareallLeoMessi

Fuck off. Mes que un tax evader.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Saturday, July 9, 2016, 21:27:34
#weareallLeoMessi

Fuck off. Mes que un tax evader.
haha, I saw that on twitter, bellends


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, July 9, 2016, 22:29:47
#weareallLeoMessi

Fuck off. Mes que un tax evader.

Liverpool-esque!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 13, 2016, 23:14:24
The Swindon Town fans group..... I just had a look at it, fuck me the last 48 hours on there really is a poor advertisement for the club!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 14, 2016, 05:57:10
Following Swindon Town via social media at the moment is essentially monitoring the ongoing cyber-bullying of Jaybox.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, July 14, 2016, 06:29:44
Following Swindon Town via social media at the moment is essentially monitoring the ongoing cyber-bullying of Jaybox.

Pretty much this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, July 14, 2016, 12:59:21
Following Swindon Town via social media at the moment is essentially monitoring the ongoing cyber-bullying of Jaybox.

Maybe the TEF should mobilize.

Jay Collett, he's one of our own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 15, 2016, 17:43:50
https://mobile.twitter.com/shrewsweb/status/753990080260366336

Shrewsbury Town are on a one club mission to ruin football with their wacky ideas...

 >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 15, 2016, 17:59:40
https://mobile.twitter.com/shrewsweb/status/753990080260366336

Shrewsbury Town are on a one club mission to ruin football with their wacky ideas...

 >:(

Quote
PRE-SEASON: Saturday's game against @CardiffCityFC will now be played over two 45-minute periods #salop

The bastards. They've reduced the game time by 25%

Quote
(Please note, our game against Shrewsbury will see 4 x 30 minute periods played. Ticket information for this fixture at the Greenhous Meadow will be confirmed and announced in due course.
Read more at http://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/article/cardiff-city-shrewsbury-town-pre-season-201617-3123702.aspx#7wFcmVX299df107X.99)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 20:23:41
Chesterfield trying to scam their own fans.

https://twitter.com/jonnot/status/755436867055673344 (https://twitter.com/jonnot/status/755436867055673344)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 20:29:23
Chesterfield trying to scam their own fans.

https://twitter.com/jonnot/status/755436867055673344 (https://twitter.com/jonnot/status/755436867055673344)

Only at Sw..wait, its Chesterfield, phew.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 23:59:04
Chesterfield trying to scam their own fans.

https://twitter.com/jonnot/status/755436867055673344 (https://twitter.com/jonnot/status/755436867055673344)
In some ways, it's quite a serious matter, potential fraud and all that. In other ways, I challenge anyone to read the line "Chesterfield Football Club apologises unreservedly to the four supporters who entered the competition" and not giggle a little bit. I think this needs a new cliche - "Storm in a tinpot"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Thursday, July 21, 2016, 12:41:01
I read somewhere that the person responsible for this storm had been sacked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 08:21:40
Football agents...again.

Pogba's agent is after £25m for his 'fee' for getting the best fee for Juventus. Actually, he represents Pogba, and should get his 10% from him and him only.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 11:34:01
Whilst it is highly unlikely to ever effect us..... why?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36904466


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 12:37:45
I get the idea for the trial but this quote is weird. FA chief executive Martin Glenn said the move will add "intrigue and interest".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 12:45:37
I get the idea for the trial but this quote is weird. FA chief executive Martin Glenn said the move will add "intrigue and interest".

Perhaps the fourth substitute will have to be a 'mystery' player who is not named on the team sheet, will not wear a shirt number and will be made to wear a gimp mask.   :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 13:19:37
Perhaps the fourth substitute will have to be a 'mystery' player who is not named on the team sheet, will not wear a shirt number and will be made to wear a gimp mask.   :)
Keep your fantasies to yourself ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 15:35:31
I get the idea for the trial but this quote is weird. FA chief executive Martin Glenn said the move will add "intrigue and interest".
FA Man 1: "OK chaps, we all know that the FA Cup is thin on intrigue and interest, and drama and spectacle. What can we do about it?"

FA Man 2: "I know, let's introduce a fourth substitute."

FA Man 1: "Nice, but is it enough to satisfy our worldwide audience who, as we know, are seeking even more intrigue and interest, and drama and spectacle?"

FA Man 3: "I know, I know, let's introduce a fourth substitute ... but, wait for it, ... only during extra time!"

FA Man 1: "Yes, yes, I'm almost cumming now! That'll do for intrigue and interest, but we still need to make sure of the drama and spectacle! Think, think!"

FA Man 4: "This will do it, this will finish you off! ... Let's introduce a fourth substitute ... only during extra time ... hold on, here's the pop shot, ... but only from the quarter final stage!!!"

FA Man 1: "Yes! Yes! Yes! You've done it!!! Intrigue! Interest! Drama! Spectacle! Now get me a press conference and a new pair of pants."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 29, 2016, 08:12:52
Looking at the papers today it looks like Mourhino is planning to spend hundreds of millions on foreign players and ship out all the youngsters coming through at Man Utd, yet as he is so adored by the hacks no one seems to be particularly bothered - despite constantly banging on about a lack of high quality youngsters for England to develop.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 29, 2016, 12:34:05
Looking at the papers today it looks like Mourhino is planning to spend hundreds of millions on foreign players and ship out all the youngsters coming through at Man Utd, yet as he is so adored by the hacks no one seems to be particularly bothered - despite constantly banging on about a lack of high quality youngsters for England to develop.
Well, that's the FA's fault. Oh and grassroots U7s coaches. Not Man Utd, or Chelsea, or Mourinho or the Premier League. They can do no wrong. They have lots of money dontcha know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 29, 2016, 13:13:54
In fairness his job is to win things for Man United, whose youth lets be honest largely haven't been pulling up trees since the class of 92.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, July 29, 2016, 13:20:37
In fairness his job is to win things for Man United, whose youth lets be honest largely haven't been pulling up trees since the class of 92.

And when they do find a decent player, they let him go for a song...only to buy him back a few years later for £100m.

And they say at Man U, Fergie was a genius....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 29, 2016, 13:39:02
In fairness his job is to win things for Man United, whose youth lets be honest largely haven't been pulling up trees since the class of 92.
Well if that is the sole extent of his job, more fool Man Utd. Any well run club should include developing youth as part of the key priorities for the whole club, and as such that should be part of the manager's objectives too (albeit obviously to a lesser extent than the Academy manager etc)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 29, 2016, 14:15:20
Well if that is the sole extent of his job, more fool Man Utd. Any well run club should include developing youth as part of the key priorities for the whole club, and as such that should be part of the manager's objectives too (albeit obviously to a lesser extent than the Academy manager etc)

There is only one thing that Mourhino holds in disdain as much as youth teams and that is Juan Mata!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, August 6, 2016, 21:10:28
FOOTBALLER IN WON'T DO CLUB CELEBRATION SHAME!!!

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=175718

 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, August 6, 2016, 22:10:03
FOOTBALLER IN WON'T DO CLUB CELEBRATION SHAME!!!

http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=175718

 ::)
That is a car crash of a thread.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 07:46:14
That is a car crash of a thread.

I am genuinely shocked that so many share this idea that he should do this celebration or dance thing or whatever for them and if he doesn't  he's disloyal and hates the fans! I mean seriously, fucking hell.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 08:34:56
it's Cardiff, what do you expect...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 09:16:57
They really do have some stupid fans (I know 4 of them and they are good people but also agree with me).

I think its more of a protest that they are signing an ex Swans player, pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 09:51:49
You forget that most fan forums are more STFC FB group than TEF.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 09:54:50
You forget that most fan forums are more STFC FB group than TEF.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5Zesu5VPNGJlm/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 19:48:07
Fucking manchester united.having a decent young player but not bothering to develop him then buying him back 4 years later because "they can".to hell with them and their detestible manager


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 19:55:42
Fucking manchester united.having a decent young player but not bothering to develop him then buying him back 4 years later because "they can".to hell with them and their detestible manager

Players leave clubs all the time...of all clubs to hate for not "bothering" to give youth a chance man Utd are far from bad and even more so in the fergie era.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 19:57:42
Players leave clubs all the time...of all clubs to hate for not "bothering" to give youth a chance man Utd are far from bad and even more so in the fergie era.

Maybe,still a relevant comment under this heading tho,in my opinion


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 19:59:09
....plus I think that is about to change in the case of mu


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 20:01:13
Fucking manchester united.having a decent young player but not bothering to develop him then buying him back 4 years later because "they can".to hell with them and their detestible manager

But they are having to pay £100m+ for the 'privilege'...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 20:04:42
But they are having to pay £100m+ for the 'privilege'...

Exactly my point.they can and to me,thats whats wrong with football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 20:15:14
Man U.  I hate the arrogant cunts.  Mourinho.  I hate the whinging arrogant cunt.  Zlatan.  I hate the whinging arrogant cunt.  Paying 100m for a player.  I hate that this is seen as acceptable in any way.

I shall be endeavouring to ignore this ridiculous world of modern football these days.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, August 7, 2016, 21:16:34
Some special "human beings" there indeed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, August 8, 2016, 00:10:13

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5Zesu5VPNGJlm/giphy.gif)

Dunno what SY's been up to but this has got to be a gif response of the season contender already.

I tend to like both Cardiff and Swansea fans as much as possible because, as alluded to above, at least they're not supporting Utd/Chelsea/Liverpool. But it doesn't stop them being complete wankers. I think Cardiff on the whole have more twats, but they don't have a drummer...

I will probably struggle for the rest of my life to understand how people could choose a club like Utd to support.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 8, 2016, 09:35:41
This story encompasses two things I hate in football.....Paul Scally (who on this occassion is right) and player wages.......

http://www.gillsconnect.com/s/Gills_News_Desk/Entries/2016/8/6_GILLS_FRIGHTENING_WAGE_BILL_GAP_WITH_CHAMPIONSHIP.html

This is partly the reason that when we are linked for a player and a Championship team are also linked then there is a 99% likelihood he will join the higher divisional team and not for footballing reasons. (understandably so too)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, August 8, 2016, 09:57:12
This story encompasses two things I hate in football.....Paul Scally (who on this occassion is right) and player wages.......

http://www.gillsconnect.com/s/Gills_News_Desk/Entries/2016/8/6_GILLS_FRIGHTENING_WAGE_BILL_GAP_WITH_CHAMPIONSHIP.html

This is partly the reason that when we are linked for a player and a Championship team are also linked then there is a 99% likelihood he will join the higher divisional team and not for footballing reasons. (understandably so too)

This has been the case for a good few years now, but yes, it will only get worse.  It's an interesting stat that the Championship is the 4th highest attended league in Europe.....bested by the Prem. Budesliga and La Liga.  Given that Newcastle and Villa have come down, must be a chance that it might outdo La Liga this year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 12:25:42
Obviously the amount of money Manure are spunking on Pogba

but.............if they sold him to Juve in the first place do they have a sell on % which they'll get as some sort of cashback deal ??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 12:32:17
Obviously the amount of money Manure are spunking on Pogba

but.............if they sold him to Juve in the first place do they have a sell on % which they'll get as some sort of cashback deal ??

Yeah it does all look a bit financially suspect.

Similarly they are dancing on the streets of Barnsley today......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 12:41:02
Don't think they got a penny for Pogba


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 12:42:29
Similarly they are dancing on the streets of Barnsley today......

I don't begrudge them that - just jealous that it never happens to us - all we get is a Mars Bar and a Kevin Keegan tracksuit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 12:42:47
Don't think they got a penny for Pogba

Fees of over £1m have been quoted, although the fee they have paid for him now also seems to be dropping suggesting that the Man Utd PR machine is trying to make it look like a better deal!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 14:41:58
 I trust Barnsley have a nice sell on for John Stones....world gone mad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 14:49:52
I trust Barnsley have a nice sell on for John Stones....world gone mad.

They're picking up between 7 and 9 million according to the Beeb.  Hence the "dancing in the streets of Barnsley" comments above.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 14:50:40
This has been the case for a good few years now, but yes, it will only get worse.  It's an interesting stat that the Championship is the 4th highest attended league in Europe.....bested by the Prem. Budesliga and La Liga.  Given that Newcastle and Villa have come down, must be a chance that it might outdo La Liga this year.

Of course Burton went up... Net average with Bolton, Charlton and Franchise going down and Wigan and Barnsley going up with Burton should see a slight drop between those.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 14:56:35
They're picking up between 7 and 9 million according to the Beeb.  Hence the "dancing in the streets of Barnsley" comments above.

I wonder if we've anyone the Tykes might like, now they're flush with brass?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 15:05:55
I wonder if we've anyone the Tykes might like, now they're flush with brass?
Hides Obika & Kasim in the cupboard until the bidding hits £1m+ each ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 15:32:35
Hides Obika & Kasim in the cupboard until the bidding hits £1m+ each ;)

No, we offer them Rodgers for £2m !!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 15:36:04
No, we offer them Rodgers for £2m !!
If only......


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 08:29:25
Wolves about to pay £20m for a player.

Sent from my MotoG3


Title: Re:
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 09:35:46
Wolves about to pay £20m for a player.

Sent from my MotoG3

Who?..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 09:41:23
Who?..

Anderson Talisca from Benfica apparently.

Edit - Assume this bloke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talisca


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 09:41:30
Anderson Talisca - Benfica's Brazilian forward


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 09:49:44
Talisca is class. WAY too good for that league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 10:01:25
Surely Wolves will be breaking the FFP rules with that fee alone (they don't get any more parachute payment money), but saying that, if he does fire them to promotion, it'll be worth it, especially with the fine Bornemouth received for losing £27m in their promotion season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 10:04:02
Talisca is class. WAY too good for that league.

Never heard of him, but it wont go well. If he's that good, they will be paying him millions per year, which will piss the other players off, particularly if he doesn't produce straight away, morale will go down faster than a fat kid on a see saw.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 10:04:58
Surely Wolves will be breaking the FFP rules with that fee alone (they don't get any more parachute payment money), but saying that, if he does fire them to promotion, it'll be worth it, especially with the fine Bornemouth received for losing £27m in their promotion season.

The only reason I picked it up is the BBC Gossip thing seems to be suggesting that the FA have sanctioned the move, I suspect that Molineux will be renamed something different shortly with the new owners or a subsidiary company paying a small fortune for the privilege - much like the Etihad in Manchester - seems a common way to get round FFP rules and allow the owners to invest more into the club, wasn't there a suggestion that Leicester had done it which emerged at the end of last season.

On a similar basis have QPR ever been fined what was supposed to be hundreds of millions for taking the piss, I know that Bournemouth got fined £4.99 for breaking the rules when they got promoted - looks like the gamble has worked for them as the money they now get from TV in the Premiership will cover the interest payments to the Russian guy - a risky strategy that has paid off?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 10:22:19
Anderson Talisca from Benfica apparently.

Edit - Assume this bloke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talisca

Fair enough..

Never heard of him.


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 11:47:31
Anderson Talisca is far too good for the Championship. Interesting to see if anymore join him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 13:45:14
Fair enough..

Never heard of him.
Not just me then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 15:18:25
Not just me then.

Apparently not.. ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 15:31:35
Whats wrong with you people?  Are you saying you don't know every single player in all the european leagues including each squad player and academy player in each English league including the conference?

I thought it was a prerequisite to be a member of a football forum to know all this or at least have an uniformed opinion which you can argue until death insulting people you've never met and never will.

Ive never heard of him either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, August 11, 2016, 18:34:18
Surely Wolves will be breaking the FFP rules with that fee alone (they don't get any more parachute payment money), but saying that, if he does fire them to promotion, it'll be worth it, especially with the fine Bornemouth received for losing £27m in their promotion season.

That's the key to it; isn't it?

Imagine if you got 3 points on your license every time you exceeded the speed limit. Only your license actually holds 100 points in total,  and you've got somewhere important to get to quickly..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, August 12, 2016, 10:37:45
Charlton writing to a fan saying his season ticket is on condition of the individual not posting anything bad on twitter.

Nice ground, decent recent history but fucking hell Ajose you have joined a fucking circus.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, August 12, 2016, 10:41:49
Here's said letter https://twitter.com/telpierce/status/764041849166176257


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: harrisonaw on Friday, August 12, 2016, 13:55:56
Haha that's amazing!  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 12, 2016, 14:06:25
Here's said letter https://twitter.com/telpierce/status/764041849166176257

He refers to himself as Tel, he deserves it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 12, 2016, 14:26:01
He refers to himself as Tel, he deserves it!

You realise that Tel Pierce is the poster you just quoted?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, August 12, 2016, 14:33:17
Snigger


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, August 12, 2016, 15:03:20
He refers to himself as Tel, he deserves it!

Whoops!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 12, 2016, 15:12:37
Whoops!

Oh bugger  :-[ ... still deserves it though  :D Sorry Tel!

Its Friday afternoon and been a shitty old week.....   :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, August 12, 2016, 16:59:09
Oh bugger  :-[ ... still deserves it though  :D Sorry Tel!

Its Friday afternoon and been a shitty old week.....   :girlgiggle:

Look, I'm a man aged less than 30 called Terry. What on earth am I meant to do with that sort of name.  Also, for clarity, I don't think I've actually referred to my real self as Tel.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 12, 2016, 17:57:24
Look, I'm a man aged less than 30 called Terry. What on earth am I meant to do with that sort of name.  Also, for clarity, I don't think I've actually referred to my real self as Tel.

Good point well made Tel!  :D I blame Mr Venables!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, August 12, 2016, 17:59:07
Hold on. Let me get this straight.

You are a Charlton season ticket holder (or technically not at this point in time)
But you have made in excess of 2,500 posts on an STFC forum.
I have no problem with this whatsoever, but how come?
I'm just a bit surprised as I had you down as a complete 100% cut me and my blood is red Town fan - just like everyone else on here really...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:00:59
FFS.

He shared a picture that someone else posted.

Are you lot really that dense?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:08:39
Look, I'm a man aged less than 30 called Terry. What on earth am I meant to do with that sort of name.  Also, for clarity, I don't think I've actually referred to my real self as Tel.

Can we call you Telly Welly?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:33:18
FFS.

He shared a picture that someone else posted.

Are you lot really that dense?

Jeeez what have I started. Samdy nails it. Nothing more to see here. Apart from my slightly humorous name. 


Sent from my iPhone


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, August 12, 2016, 18:43:46
Are you lot really that dense?

Don't bring the rest of us in to it, Samdy. If that is your real name?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, August 12, 2016, 19:53:37
FFS.

He shared a picture that someone else posted.

Are you lot really that dense?
It would appear Samdy that yes, I am that dense.
I've just remembered why I took a few weeks off from TEF.
I don't know if I've changed or the forum has. Probably both.
That's life I suppose.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, August 12, 2016, 20:16:26
Senile old git.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 16, 2016, 16:15:07
Looks like Conte is getting the Premier League... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37090877

I didn't see the tackle but the referee made the right decision in not sending off my player....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 17:09:05
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37167131

Stupid sexy Flinders


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 10:47:45
 Fucking great....3 call ups for Saturday, and presumably we can't get it postponed as it's on Sky >:(

 Kasim, Sendles-White, Stewart.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 10:57:41
Fucking great....3 call ups for Saturday, and presumably we can't get it postponed as it's on Sky >:(

 Kasim, Sendles-White, Stewart.
Yeah that will leave us short on numbers and quality unless we sign another couple tomorrow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:01:52
U21 call-ups aren't counted when it comes to asking for games to be postponed, are they?   


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:03:00
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37167131

Stupid sexy Flinders
He always seemed to play well against us, especially for Hartlepool. I remember in 2009 when Hartlepool beat us 2-0 at the CG and he played a blinder and thie bloke in the Town End shouted Stupid Sexy Flinders after every save.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:03:21
U21 call-ups aren't counted when it comes to asking for games to be postponed, are they?  
Yes they are counted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/28878460


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:08:16
U21 call-ups aren't counted when it comes to asking for games to be postponed, are they?   

Don't know, but these repeated international breaks are ridiculous, especially considering they're at the behest of the likes of Blatter and Platini.

The best we can hope is that Posh have a few as well, to at least even things up. Kasim has got to go to Australia....mental.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:38:39
Yes they are counted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/28878460

Oh, OK.  I had it in mind that we had been 'dicked' before for the reason that U21 call-ups weren't included. Must have remembered that wrong.

That linked report relates to senior call-ups though, doesn't it?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:46:19
Think it was to do with us having 'youth loans' unavailable due to call ups, they didn't count toward the requisite no. of players away in order to apply for a postponement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:49:02
so is the conclusion they will be counted and thus Saturday postponed?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:50:01
We can't postpone because it's on Sky.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:50:54
Doubt the club want to bin off extra income from Sky especially given we will have to pay for policing once again for the rearranged Rovers fixture.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:56:50
We can't postpone because it's on Sky.

Seriously?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 11:56:58
That linked report relates to senior call-ups though, doesn't it?
No the Aussie call ups were U20 level.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 12:07:10
Seriously?

From what I gather, yes!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 12:16:11
No the Aussie call ups were U20 level.



 :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 14:01:58
Who's being called up this weekend then?

I'm out of the loop..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 14:20:21
Who's being called up this weekend then?

I'm out of the loop..
Kasim, JSW and Stewart.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 14:48:19
Rather forces the managers hand not to drop him really, clever move Wayno!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37220971


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 15:22:37
Kasim, JSW and Stewart.

OK, thanks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 15:53:21
Am I right in thinking that Kasim is also out for the scum game?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, September 2, 2016, 13:32:27
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/zenit-st-petersburg-burger-king-offer-57m-offer-change-name-a7221766.html

Zenit Burger King...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, September 2, 2016, 13:53:13
That could work well for some teams.

KFC Wimbledon

MKDonalds

Pret A Rangers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, September 2, 2016, 14:03:23
That could work well for some teams.

KFC Wimbledon

MKDonalds

Pret A Rangers


Sheffield Wendys

Pizzaborough Express

Greggseter City

OK I'm struggling now...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 2, 2016, 15:03:08
Little cheffield utd

borussia mönchenBIGMAC


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, September 2, 2016, 15:11:49
Brighton and o's Albion


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, September 2, 2016, 15:25:24
Prezzo North End

Yo-vil Sushi


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 2, 2016, 17:58:27
G.B.K Athens


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, September 2, 2016, 18:01:50
 Kilmarnock Football Club (KFC)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, September 2, 2016, 18:06:25
Sundernandos
Harry Ramsden's and Diamonds

..I'm trying to go for the worst one

It would actually be pretty shrewd to be sponsored by Nando's, you'd certainly attract players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, September 2, 2016, 18:50:42
Sundernandos

It would actually be pretty shrewd to be sponsored by Nando's, you'd certainly attract players


oooooh cheeky


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, September 2, 2016, 18:51:19
TGI Wednesdays.  :sofa:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, September 2, 2016, 19:20:08
Swindon (Sub) marine


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, September 2, 2016, 19:30:28
Wiganmama


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, September 2, 2016, 20:39:23
Wiganmama

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, September 9, 2016, 10:39:44
Wiganmama

Class


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 12, 2016, 09:38:11

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2016/08/08/la-liga-threatens-clubs-fines-stadia-dont-look-full-tv/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 12, 2016, 09:53:20
I see the farce with West Ham and the Olympic Stadium continues, West Ham apparently have no involvement with match day security and thus the fighting in the ground on Saturday should have been contained by the third party contractor employed by the stadium operator, I assume therefore the cost of stewarding is covered by the pitiful rent they pay?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Monday, September 12, 2016, 09:58:38

Fuck West Ham. I hope they get relegated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 12, 2016, 10:12:11
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2016/08/08/la-liga-threatens-clubs-fines-stadia-dont-look-full-tv/


Big fan of La Liga, and the support thing or sometimes lack of it, adds to the appeal.

There are several obvious notable things.....away fan travel hardly happens, I guess a trip from say Vigo to Valencia for a 9:30 KO on a Sunday night is daunting. Then also there's usually an island club....Majorca, Tenerife or Las Palmas knocking around. That's understandable....but I've never understood why a Getafe v Rayo is relatively empty.

Another is there seems to be a lot more women at La Liga games....or maybe the directors just pick out some sultry senoritas in the crowd, whereas here Sky have to be more PC, post Gray and Keys.

Further, for some games fans just don't seem to bother turning up, maybe some other distraction a fiesta or something. 

Then you get a Betis, who are generally a bit average or worse, who get great support, whereas the 3 norvern outpost teams fluctuate....Sporting despite often being shit get great support, whereas Celta who in recent years have been doing well, often the Balaidos looks half empty. Depor fluctuate, but on a good night the Riazor is a fine sight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, September 12, 2016, 10:12:12
Askon Villa


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 12, 2016, 10:18:05

Another is there seems to be a lot more women at La Liga games....or maybe the directors just pick out some sultry senoritas in the crowd, whereas here Sky have to be more PC, post Gray and Keys.


Or possibly just more munters go to UK games  :D ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 12, 2016, 10:47:46
I see the farce with West Ham and the Olympic Stadium continues, West Ham apparently have no involvement with match day security and thus the fighting in the ground on Saturday should have been contained by the third party contractor employed by the stadium operator, I assume therefore the cost of stewarding is covered by the pitiful rent they pay?

Looking at their main forum, seems that all is not going well with the Olympic Stadium experience.
No dedicated family or "singing" areas allowed for in the move look to be the root cause of the current conflicts in the stands there, plus poor stewarding.
Proud club in the process of selling it's soul at the expense of it's core support.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 12, 2016, 11:13:11
Big fan of La Liga, and the support thing or sometimes lack of it, adds to the appeal.

There are several obvious notable things.....away fan travel hardly happens, I guess a trip from say Vigo to Valencia for a 9:30 KO on a Sunday night is daunting. Then also there's usually an island club....Majorca, Tenerife or Las Palmas knocking around. That's understandable....but I've never understood why a Getafe v Rayo is relatively empty.

Another is there seems to be a lot more women at La Liga games....or maybe the directors just pick out some sultry senoritas in the crowd, whereas here Sky have to be more PC, post Gray and Keys.

Further, for some games fans just don't seem to bother turning up, maybe some other distraction a fiesta or something. 

Then you get a Betis, who are generally a bit average or worse, who get great support, whereas the 3 norvern outpost teams fluctuate....Sporting despite often being shit get great support, whereas Celta who in recent years have been doing well, often the Balaidos looks half empty. Depor fluctuate, but on a good night the Riazor is a fine sight.

Caught some of the Valencia v Betis game yesterday.
Fair play to the 100-150 or so Betis fans who made the trip.

Real Madrid sold 11 tickets for the away game  at Granada last season.
8.30pm kick off on Sunday so no getting back by train without an overnight stay and time off work or a 4 hour drive etc.
Still surprising for one of the biggest clubs on the world.

Wonder how many make the trip from Coruna to Malaga or vice versa.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 12, 2016, 11:34:55
Caught some of the Valencia v Betis game yesterday.
Fair play to the 100-150 or so Betis fans who made the trip.

Real Madrid sold 11 tickets for the away game  at Granada last season.
8.30pm kick off on Sunday so no getting back by train without an overnight stay and time off work or a 4 hour drive etc.
Still surprising for one of the biggest clubs on the world.

Wonder how many make the trip from Coruna to Malaga or vice versa.





Probably about 20. Away travel just isn't in the Spanish football culture. You get some odd games like the main Basque derby, where you'll see Athletic and Sociedad fans sitting together quite happily...but when they visit Eibar, not bothering.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 13:41:05
The FIFA17-friendly rebranded EFL now has an "Official Home Improvement Partner". Oh fuck off.

http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/wickes-sign-as-official-home-improvement-partner-of-efl-3298030.aspx

The only connection between the two is that football is where I go so I don't have to spend Saturday afternoons doing DIY or in bloody shops for that matter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 14:03:43
The FIFA17-friendly rebranded EFL now has an "Official Home Improvement Partner". Oh fuck off.

http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/wickes-sign-as-official-home-improvement-partner-of-efl-3298030.aspx

The only connection between the two is that football is where I go so I don't have to spend Saturday afternoons doing DIY or in bloody shops for that matter.

I don't know, Jed would have bloody loved this 'In addition, all clubs across the Sky Bet Championship, Sky Bet League One and Sky Bet League Two will have access to Wickes’ materials and products for in-house refurbishment projects' just think of the works he could have done with a ready supply of materials, we could have had unlicensed bars everywhere!  :D

Edit - do we have to buy the materials or are they free, we could build a whole new ground from stuff obtained from Wickes'!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 17:49:02
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TvkQRTSSi1w/UQKFDEdefYI/AAAAAAAAAiE/1andFgco-ms/s1600/ta.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 20:36:45
I don't know, Jed would have bloody loved this 'In addition, all clubs across the Sky Bet Championship, Sky Bet League One and Sky Bet League Two will have access to Wickes’ materials and products for in-house refurbishment projects' just think of the works he could have done with a ready supply of materials, we could have had unlicensed bars everywhere!  :D

Edit - do we have to buy the materials or are they free, we could build a whole new ground from stuff obtained from Wickes'!
As a season ticket holder I hereby demand a discount at Wickes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 20:44:28
My only contribution is that a mate used to call it Wickees.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 16:12:44
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2631615

Bury have another winding up petition. I heard a Rochdale fan saying last night as well, that they are getting another dodgy high interest loan against their stadium. I don't fully understand how these things work, but it seems a bit dodgy and I know they've got a pretty checkered recent history with this kinda thing.

Must be shit or bust this season for them.

Edit, found this as well which seems to relate to them http://p2pindependentforum.com/thread/6743/football-stadium


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 16:31:09
Bury signed Ishmael Miller the other day who wouldn't have come cheap. It will all end badly for them.

Sent from my MotoG3


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 17:56:29
They never learn. No doubt the buckets will be out soon and a prestigious friendly against Man Utd 1st team will follow.

Again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 09:57:17
You know you're in trouble when David Conn comes sniffing. Things might not be great atm but I'd rather have Lee Power than the likes of Bury's lot.

A good read this....what strikes is how their fans still seem to have faith in the owners, I guess because relatively speaking, things on the pitch are decent for them. Another eye opener is that they still seem to produce accounts.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/27/bury-gigg-lane-winding-up-order-league-one



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 10:44:04
You know you're in trouble when David Conn comes sniffing. Things might not be great atm but I'd rather have Lee Power than the likes of Bury's lot.

A good read this....what strikes is how their fans still seem to have faith in the owners, I guess because relatively speaking, things on the pitch are decent for them. Another eye opener is that they still seem to produce accounts.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/27/bury-gigg-lane-winding-up-order-league-one


Bury have been gambling for a few years now with short term high interest loans etc, it was always going to end in tears.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 11:03:28
Bury have been gambling for a few years now with short term high interest loans etc, it was always going to end in tears.
Rochdale in a similar boat IIRC?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 11:19:13
Rochdale in a similar boat IIRC?
I haven't heard about Rochdale but it could well be.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, October 27, 2016, 11:22:53
That article should be shown to some of "Power out" dribblers.

The grass ain't always greener when it comes to owners


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, October 29, 2016, 10:24:48
Their fans won't care. They are "showing ambition"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Sunday, October 30, 2016, 21:00:06
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37815951

Gareth bale 600k a week, how can you justify that??!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, October 30, 2016, 21:28:18
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2631615

Bury have another winding up petition. I heard a Rochdale fan saying last night as well, that they are getting another dodgy high interest loan against their stadium. I don't fully understand how these things work, but it seems a bit dodgy and I know they've got a pretty checkered recent history with this kinda thing.

Must be shit or bust this season for them.

Edit, found this as well which seems to relate to them http://p2pindependentforum.com/thread/6743/football-stadium

Just read this, our old friends Modwens crop up i see.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 22:43:11
Apologies if it's been mentioned already but the BBC have done their price of football thing again.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37953195

Fair play to the Gills - 2 adults 2 under 18s for £25

I'm posting it in this thread because a) it's all ridiculously expensive regardless and b) AFCW don't sell pies? What?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 17, 2016, 08:32:56
AFCW don't sell pies? What?
Think they do. Might be just that the Beeb couldn't get price information rather than the pies themselves that weren't available


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, November 17, 2016, 12:26:50
Afc do sell pies in the home end at least. Even with some rubbed under your nostrils, still doesn't mask the smell of shite though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, November 17, 2016, 17:31:13
Think they do. Might be just that the Beeb couldn't get price information rather than the pies themselves that weren't available

That's a relief. I've never eaten a pie at a football match, nor do I intend to, but that would just be wrong.

Christ, our special fans moan whenever the phrase "undisclosed fee" is used, imagine if they found out the price of a pie was clandestine?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, November 17, 2016, 19:01:12
I'm sure i've had a pie at AFC Wimbledon? Maybe it was Barnet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 18, 2016, 08:29:18
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/16/andy-woodward


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Friday, November 18, 2016, 08:32:06
I'm sure i've had a pie at AFC Wimbledon? Maybe it was Barnet.

Well people do say they will eat their hat ......    :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, November 18, 2016, 09:13:29
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/16/andy-woodward

Harrowing read


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 18, 2016, 14:15:07
Harrowing read
Indeed and just the tip of the iceberg, more in today's Graun:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/17/barry-bennell-two-former-players-reveal


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, November 18, 2016, 21:57:47
Cheers...?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 05:06:22
Oldham have been placed under a transfer embargo after missing loan fee payments and not paying Rochdale their share of ticket money after their derby game. Apparently, other clubs are chasing them for money owed.

See, there's always someone worse off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 09:28:37
Oldham have been placed under a transfer embargo after missing loan fee payments and not paying Rochdale their share of ticket money after their derby game. Apparently, other clubs are chasing them for money owed.

See, there's always someone worse off.

We have to hope, that there will be 3 others who join Oldham in the basket, and perhaps our parsimony may yet save us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:19:13
We have to hope, that there will be 3 others who join Oldham in the basket, and perhaps our parsimony may yet save us.

Chesterfield are looking a bit worse for wear at the moment. A load of directors resigned and their form is horrendous.

2 more to go!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:34:39
If it's possible Bury seem more hopeless than us.

1 to go!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:39:13
If it's possible Bury seem more hopeless than us.

1 to go!

Coventry aren't in great shape.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:45:01
Another 14 and we're in the play offs!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:50:27
Fingers crossed that Charlton make this appointment then http://talksport.com/football/lee-bowyer-tells-talksport-he-wants-start-managerial-career-and-would-be-keen-charlton?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 14:47:42
As much as we may make light of the situation, it is exactly this which answers the question - why doesn't a team like ours with the gates it gets perform better?  Well, simply put, every other bugger is "spending" money they don't have and playing roulette hoping they'll get a pay off before the chickens come home to roost.  Cov are hugely in debt to an owner that seems intent on playing the legal system for a property deal they already lost when Wasps took the stadium.  Bury paying payday loan interest rates to fund a team, Oldham betting on the new stand, Northampton literally taking the stadium money and running, the football league at this level is a mess.  Wonder how long the recent inflated parachute payments will keep the Championship afloat?  Given all the teams seem to have just spent all their cash on paying the same average players a load of extra dosh, it can't be long before that gravy train goes off the rails as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 15:01:26
Given all the teams seem to have just spent all their cash on paying the same average players a load of extra dosh, it can't be long before that gravy train goes off the rails as well.

Thing is its been going on for years and to date no 'big' club has properly gone to the wall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 16:15:42
Portsmouth sort of have, but the point is more that the reason we are struggling against what seems smaller opposition financially is simply because they are not applying the normal rules of business.  Higher up hasn't been impacted like we might now be seeing a few teams at our level because they've been propped up with Prem money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 16:08:17
I know there's a bit of a debate to be had over the poppy issue in general. I can sort of see where FIFA are coming from and rules are rules.

It seems the Welsh FA, however, are facing being disciplined because THEIR FANS had poppies and paraphernalia.

Quote
FAW statement in response to the opening of disciplinary proceedings by FIFA.
The Football Association of Wales (FAW) can confirm that FIFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against the FAW following the FIFA World Cup Russia qualifier against Serbia at the Cardiff City Stadium on 12 November 2016.
The disciplinary proceedings against the FAW are in relation to incidents involving the display of poppy symbols. The incidents, as detailed in the communication from FIFA, under investigation include –

Some supporters in the stands wearing the poppy 

A member of the armed forces was holding a bunch of poppies at the exit of the tunnel .

A fans mosaic depicting the poppy was displayed during the anthem of Wales. 

A banner depicting the poppy was also displayed by the supporters of wales before the 
match started. 

In response to the communication from FIFA, the FAW confirmed that on Armistice weekend the FAW paid its respects to those individuals who had made the ultimate sacrifice in a dignified and humble way while at the same time respecting the rules and regulations of world football’s governing body FIFA. 


Jonathan Ford, Chief Executive of the FAW said: 
“Naturally as an association we are disappointed and surprised at the news. Our intention was to show respect on Armistice weekend which we feel we did in the right and proper way. 


“We also adhered to the rules and regulations of the competition and the communication from FIFA prohibiting the FAW request for the players to wear the poppy symbol on the armbands or the field of play. 


“We are particularly disappointed that one of the charges relates to supporters in the stands wearing poppies. Naturally as an association we will strongly contest the charges.” 


The case will be submitted to the FIFA Disciplinary Committee for evaluation on 9 December 2016. The FAW has until 29 November to provide a statement and relevant evidence. 



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 16:37:25
The sexual abuse stories in football that have been in The Guardian over the last few days. Absolutely awful that it seems so many people turned a blind eye to it over such a long period. I'm not naive enough to think that nothing like this happens now, but it does seem to have been endemic in the 70s/80s in the way it was almost an open secret without anything being done.

Incredibly harrowing to read the stories that have been published, suggestion is more to come as well.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pete on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 17:52:09
The sexual abuse stories in football that have been in The Guardian over the last few days. Absolutely awful that it seems so many people turned a blind eye to it over such a long period. I'm not naive enough to think that nothing like this happens now, but it does seem to have been endemic in the 70s/80s in the way it was almost an open secret without anything being done.

Incredibly harrowing to read the stories that have been published, suggestion is more to come as well.



It's shocking to read. Suggestion is that Gary Speed could have been one of the victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/16/andy-woodward



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 19:17:33
(http://i.imgur.com/Yl8pCSo.gif)


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenage-football-fan-demands-apology-9315678.amp?client=safari


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 19:36:20
'The teenager who hopes to become a funeral director'

What the actual fuck? Whose life goal is that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 19:43:33
I agree an apology would be nice but "her favourite player is Luke McCormick"

 :headhurts:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 19:49:29
I agree an apology would be nice but "her favourite player is Luke McCormick"

 :headhurts:

Excuse the cynicism but you don't go to The Mirror for a simple apology.

'Go to the press. They'll probably give you something free, a season-ticket perhaps....'



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 23:04:52
What an attention seeeking piece of drivel.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 00:01:29
pfft. didn't see me in the mirror when my daughter got knocked out at Bromley by a stray shot, or when the Don knocked me out the same. Just wants her photo in the paper the self righteous shit bag. It's a ball, it goes into the crowd..., Don't fucking go to football. Jeez that stuff makes me mad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 02:51:54
Can't quite understand why an apology is necessary.

As SR said, it's a ball, it happens. Deal with it or fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 03:24:05
Excuse the cynicism but you don't go to The Mirror for a simple apology.

'Go to the press. They'll probably give you something free, a season-ticket perhaps....'



Ha, yes. Which is why I said it'd be nice, not "BURN THIS MAN'S HOUSE DOWN WHAT AN EVIL FUCKER"

Apologies are customary but I can think of worse things.

I wonder if he wore a poppy?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 07:33:50
Ha, yes. Which is why I said it'd be nice, not "BURN THIS MAN'S HOUSE DOWN WHAT AN EVIL FUCKER"

Apologies are customary but I can think of worse things.

I wonder if he wore a poppy?


I diverted your simple apology comment and continued my eye rolling towards the article.

RE: The poppy, Connor Smith is from the Republic of Ireland sooooooooooo......

:)


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 07:55:09
So she wants to play for Plymouth ladies, dragging the club through loads of shit publicity is really going to help with that ambition. Expect club are discriminating against me story in c.2 years.

But to be fair, 15 year olds don't go to the press alone, compensation seeking parents?

Good paper sad face though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, November 25, 2016, 13:31:19
Why was she unable to get out of the way or get an arm in the way? Head buried in her mobile phone?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 25, 2016, 13:35:45
Why was she unable to get out of the way or get an arm in the way? Head buried in her mobile phone?

Taking note of her ambitions I assume she was probably engrossed in Funeral Director Monthly http://www.nafd.org.uk/news/funeral-director-monthly/


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, November 26, 2016, 14:39:42
https://www.indy100.com/article/arsenal-rainbow-flag-7440836

Sent from my SM-A310F


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 12:47:10
Looks like Reading's Thai owners have got out the of the club what was rumored they wanted in the beginning - the part that makes them money, empty land and the hotel - they are set to sell the club to Chinese owners

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38156711




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:08:28
So, if the new Chinese owners have already failed the league's fit and proper person test when they tried to buy Hull, why would they pass it now?

A plague on the fuckers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:16:43
Quote
He is understood to favour Reading as an investment because he already flies in and out of London regularly for business meetings.

Sounds legit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:16:47
A basket case of a club!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:17:39
So, if the new Chinese owners have already failed the league's fit and proper person test when they tried to buy Hull, why would they pass it now?

A plague on the fuckers!

Was it ever actually confirmed that they had failed the FPP test, what does one have to do to fail that? All the linked stories seem to speculate on that matter but no hard evidence to support the speculation?

I would be very concerned if I was a fan, the splitting of assets all looks a little odd and not in the best interests of the club itself!

Does this mean a new song?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:27:06
Looks like Reading's Thai owners have got out the of the club what was rumored they wanted in the beginning - the part that makes them money, empty land and the hotel - they are set to sell the club to Chinese owners

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38156711

They specialise in building underground shopping centres, which is probably why they aren't worried about the land around it. Hope they did Due Diligence on what was there before under it though....



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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:28:24
ah bollocks, ignore my IT skills !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:34:46
You mean they're fucking hobbits?

That old tip must be around there somewhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:45:53
They specialise in building underground shopping centres,


which apparently also double as air-raid shelters. - fucking hell, do they know something we don't


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 13:58:13
You mean they're fucking hobbits?

That old tip must be around there somewhere.

Right on it, that's what i meant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 16:40:03
There is still cash to be made from football....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-38045149


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 18:45:02
What's happened to Hylton at Guisley? Started off brilliantly - not even playing now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: red sheldon on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 20:23:25
A bloke at work is a Guiseley fan and said that he's been injured and he thinks he's come back to us for treatment.  He's hoping that if he gets fit they might extend his loan after January


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, December 1, 2016, 20:27:48
Offer Town a small fee and I dare say the Hylton would be available permanently. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 2, 2016, 09:35:09
This, again, still. Cover-ups perpetuate abuse and shield abusers, hope those involved in the coverups (including the many at the FA who swept things under the carpet) will also be punished severely. Sadly, I doubt it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/02/gary-johnson-says-chelsea-paid-him-50000-for-silence-about-abuse
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/01/newcastle-accused-cover-up-1990s-abuse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, December 2, 2016, 11:01:22
This, again, still. Cover-ups perpetuate abuse and shield abusers, hope those involved in the coverups (including the many at the FA who swept things under the carpet) will also be punished severely. Sadly, I doubt it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/02/gary-johnson-says-chelsea-paid-him-50000-for-silence-about-abuse
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/01/newcastle-accused-cover-up-1990s-abuse
Literally just said. If it is true and proven they should get the maximum penalty possible. Worse than not paying the tax man ffs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 2, 2016, 12:19:16
Literally just said. If it is true and proven they should get the maximum penalty possible. Worse than not paying the tax man ffs
Chelsea have admitted they paid Gary Johnson £50k and insisted on a non-disclosure clause. That's a true and proven cover-up, approved at board level. Wouldn't hold your breath for any sign of the book being thrown at Chelsea. They'll probably nail Crewe to the wall though (and deservedly so) but Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle etc will just be asked to review their procedures.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pax Romana on Friday, December 2, 2016, 13:01:17
They'll probably nail Crewe to the wall though (and deservedly so) but Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle etc will just be asked to review their procedures.

That makes sense really.  Imposing penalties on Chelsea, Man City etc. will deprive millions of armchair fans of their weekly football fix which is totally unfair, whereas Crewe, let's face it, are a small club whose demise wouldn't really impact anyone much.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Friday, December 2, 2016, 14:33:22
We were demoted by 2 leagues for illegal payments to players.
Chelsea have paid someone off who was sexually abused, to cover up for a nonce.
What Chelsea have done is a lot worse. This guy probably went on to ruin more young lives and Chelsea allowed this to happen.
They should be demoted at the very least.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, December 2, 2016, 14:37:46
 I said I while ago I'm desperately hoping that our name isn't mentioned in this, as whilst Chelsea, Newcastle, Man City etc will get off, we will, as we know to our cost, be the sacrificial lamb.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, December 2, 2016, 15:06:37
Anyone who thinks they will be sanctioned is deluded. Justice if you have money is a myth. Look at that arsehole Green still swanning about after looting 1/2 billion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Friday, December 2, 2016, 17:44:59
Anyone who thinks they will be sanctioned is deluded. Justice if you have money is a myth. Look at that arsehole Green still swanning about after looting 1/2 billion.

Unfortunately, you're absolutely right .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, December 2, 2016, 18:14:50
The only thing you can't beat with money is Cancer. When that piece of shit comes calling and it really wants you, you're fucked. No matter how much you money you have.

Justice!? Getting it and avoiding it costs and the more money you have, the better the chance of success!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Friday, December 2, 2016, 18:20:02
This may be an unpopular opinion... But I'm not so sure any of the clubs implicated in this should be given on-pitch sanctions. I'm don't think any of the current sets of players and managers at City and Chelsea deserve to be implicated in this in any way.

But yes. Naturally, the big clubs will get off lightly compared with Crewe. One can only hope that justice (in the courts of law and not on the pitch) will be served.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 2, 2016, 18:33:31
This may be an unpopular opinion... But I'm not so sure any of the clubs implicated in this should be given on-pitch sanctions. I'm not sure any of the current sets of players and managers at City and Chelsea deserve to be implicated in this in any way.
I see your reasoning, but that's a shit excuse. Chelsea's current board were actively trying to cover up this abuse by silencing  a victim with hush money as recently as a couple of years ago. What sanctions do you suggest that would actually cause them to do anything other than shrug it off? Because a fine won't bother any of the big clubs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Friday, December 2, 2016, 18:50:43
I see your reasoning, but that's a shit excuse. Chelsea's current board were actively trying to cover up this abuse by silencing  a victim with hush money as recently as a couple of years ago. What sanctions do you suggest that would actually cause them to do anything other than shrug it off? Because a fine won't bother any of the big clubs

Tis' a tricky situation. First and foremost criminal proceedings need to be drawn up against the members of the board that attempted to cover this up. Beyond that I think the FA should look at banning board members/directors from football activity and cutting off their funds from the clubs involved.

There's clearly not an easy solution... Just not entirely convinced that said solution is an on-pitch sanction.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, December 2, 2016, 18:57:46
Tis' a tricky situation. First and foremost criminal proceedings need to be drawn up against the members of the board that attempted to cover this up.
Don't think they've done anything illegal, much less criminal. Immoral yes, but not illegal - compensation payments with non-disclosure clauses are quite common.
Beyond that I think the FA should look at banning board members/directors from football activity and cutting off their funds from the clubs involved.
There's clearly not an easy solution... Just not entirely convinced that said solution is an on-pitch sanction.
Fair enough. Don't think they will get an on-pitch sanction anyway and there's even less chance of the owners/directors being banned and even less of their funds being "banned". These people own English football now, they're not going to get any more than words of admonishment and maybe a minor fine they can pay from the change down the back of Abramovich's and Mansour's couches. Crewe, though, will get the book thrown at them, even though it looks like their offenders started out at Chelsea under Eddie Heath - coincidence or an active ring?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, December 2, 2016, 22:59:34
Paedophiles at this level do act as a network. They also actively seek out positions of trust within activities targeted at young boys and girls so they have a target rich environment.

It ain't just football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pax Romana on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 11:32:14
Yes we're nowhere near the bottom of this cesspool, it's going to come out everywhere.  Gymnastics and athletics spring to mind. 

The only physical/contact sports where I'd be very surprised to see a big problem are rugby and cricket.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 16:55:34
The only physical/contact sports where I'd be very surprised to see a big problem are rugby and cricket.
Because?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 17:38:36
Because?

Gentleman sports, innit.... Any foul play will be down to initiation.

 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 18:08:52
Gentleman sports, innit.... Any foul play will be down to initiation.

 ::)
Oh of course. Because there's no history of kiddy fiddling at public schools, in the church, the aristocracy etc etc...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 18:17:19
Oh of course. Because there's no history of kiddy fiddling at public schools, in the church, the aristocracy etc etc...

Indeed, which is why rugby doesn't need things like this

http://www.scottishrugby.org/sites/default/files/editor/docs/club_rugby_welfare_handbook.pdf


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 19:01:57
Oh of course. Because there's no history of kiddy fiddling at public schools, in the church, the aristocracy etc etc...

Now you're catching on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 19:33:30
Now you're catching on.

I read this in a voice from one of The Simpsons educational clips with Troy McClure and I can't think which one. Was it the eating meat one?

Edit: just realised its the amendment cartoon. Genius.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 19:38:52
Chelsea 'lifting' the non-disclosure agreement is their way out of this.

Every man and his dog will know that they saw the shitstorm coming and wanted to be seen to be cooperating before they were forced to. We all know it is bullshit, we all know that they tried to cover it up and would have kept it that way if they thought they'd get away with it.

Still, them 'lifting' the clause before they were told to is what they will use. And it will work for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 20:13:13
I read this in a voice from one of The Simpsons educational clips with Troy McClure and I can't think which one. Was it the eating meat one?

Edit: just realised its the amendment cartoon. Genius.

The Simpson's Amendment infomercial was the inspiration behind my previous post.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Saturday, December 3, 2016, 20:14:23
The Simpson's Amendment infomercial was the inspiration behind my previous post.

I'm ashamed I didn't catch it sooner!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, December 4, 2016, 01:29:58
 Apparently 55 clubs have now been implicated.... :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, December 4, 2016, 03:01:35
Julian Alsop comes to mind. It seemed like fun at the time, but I've taken the game down. Not sure how fun it was to start off with.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pax Romana on Sunday, December 4, 2016, 19:04:30
Oh of course. Because there's no history of kiddy fiddling at public schools, in the church, the aristocracy etc etc...

Yup there is indeed, but my suggestion was not based on any illusion that rugby & cricket are bound to be above suspicion because they are 'posh' sports.

My rationale was that the problem with football (and the Olympic sports) was that highly ambitious young kids were usually controlled by a single coach who had unsupervised contact and was in a position to convince impressionable youngsters that their future careers were entirely dependent on his approval of them which could be withdrawn at any time.  By contrast rugby and cricket coaching at youth level has always tended to be much less intensive with a wider pool of amateur coaches and hence reduced opportunity for a single predator to isolate youngsters and convince them that they have nowhere to go in terms of refusing or complaining.

Hopefully all sports are far better regulated now as per the rugby handbook someone referenced earlier.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, December 5, 2016, 12:17:24
It's because rugby and cricket are more upper class sports and paedophilia within the white upper classes is much more institutionalised and therefore less likely to be reported.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, December 5, 2016, 13:12:59
Yup there is indeed, but my suggestion was not based on any illusion that rugby & cricket are bound to be above suspicion because they are 'posh' sports.

My rationale was that the problem with football (and the Olympic sports) was that highly ambitious young kids were usually controlled by a single coach who had unsupervised contact and was in a position to convince impressionable youngsters that their future careers were entirely dependent on his approval of them which could be withdrawn at any time.  By contrast rugby and cricket coaching at youth level has always tended to be much less intensive with a wider pool of amateur coaches and hence reduced opportunity for a single predator to isolate youngsters and convince them that they have nowhere to go in terms of refusing or complaining.

Hopefully all sports are far better regulated now as per the rugby handbook someone referenced earlier.

(http://i.imgur.com/rps7ltr.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Monday, December 5, 2016, 13:21:54
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/44427

3 months without a home game on a saturday at 3pm, fuck about, decent article though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, December 5, 2016, 13:46:42
Blimey!  He goes on a bit, doesn't he?  But I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Monday, December 5, 2016, 14:32:01
Blimey!  He goes on a bit, doesn't he?  But I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment.
some of his articles have been great, really hates the modern sky era!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 5, 2016, 15:19:29
 It's a good read....much of which I'd agree with.   However, I'm sure it hasn't escaped Sky's notice, that atm the Prem, is clogged up with what might be called medium to small clubs, like Boro, Bormuff, Watford, Hull, Swansea, Burnley, Palace.

 Conversely the Championship, has Newcastle, Villa, Leeds, Forest, Wolves, Derby.....bung in Blackburn, Preston, Huddersfield, Wendies and Ipswich and you've got something like 30 league titles, as well as 3 European cups. Therefore Sky will milk it. 

For me the Championship this year is unusually interesting, further in the dark depths of winter, sticking something like, the 10 in 10 on, and the odd Thursday night game is great.

Totally agree though about 12:00 ko's, no use to man nor beast.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 8, 2016, 12:29:50
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2352648/john-terry-chelsea-england-coaching-role-steven-gerrard-frank-lampard-gareth-southgate/

I suppose who else is going to teach the young players about the correct way to racially abuse an opponent and shag your team mates missus?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 8, 2016, 12:38:51
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/2352648/john-terry-chelsea-england-coaching-role-steven-gerrard-frank-lampard-gareth-southgate/

I suppose who else is going to teach the young players about the correct way to racially abuse an opponent and shag your team mates missus?

A story in the Sun including something on a Scouser  :hmmm:   Must be true....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Friday, December 9, 2016, 13:50:36
Celino gets another ban from football - not his first yet after x time he is allowed to come back as owner of Leeds - should be banned full stop he is not F & P


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Sunday, December 18, 2016, 22:40:52
Man City players all wore a Gundogen shirt today before the match in tribute to their team mate who passed away from his knee injury


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Monday, December 19, 2016, 10:08:30
Man City players all wore a Gundogen shirt today before the match in tribute to their team mate who passed away from his knee injury
paddy power ran a summary of all the tweets about this, was brilliant, seems to have disappeared though. If someone died god knows what they would do!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, December 19, 2016, 12:10:42
paddy power ran a summary of all the tweets about this, was brilliant, seems to have disappeared though. If someone died god knows what they would do!
Judging from some of the tweets and his one, its safe to say he was quite embarrassed about it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, December 19, 2016, 13:06:16
I heard our lot were doing it for Jamie Sendles-White but at a quid a letter they couldnt afford the hyphen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 19, 2016, 15:12:27
 Here's a bit of festive fun....4 interactive quizzes from the Graun on identifying photos of old grounds  :)

 https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2014/dec/22/football-stadiums-then-and-now-interactive-quiz


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, December 19, 2016, 15:34:44
Did they need to put The Manor Ground so many times though....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Monday, December 19, 2016, 15:38:19
Might have been a bit harder if they'd photo shopped the kits and club badges out of them :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 17:32:04
I see the owners of the Swindon Greyhound track have bought Torquay United.

That's the end of them. In various guises they've been involved with greyhound tracks at Milton Keynes, Reading and Bristol - all closed and sold for redevelopment. Bastards.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 17:37:45
I read that earlier.

The outgoing chariman seemed resigned to the club getting fucked over but could do nothing about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 17:42:51
Real shame. Can't understand why some local businessman or even a fan's group didn't buy it. Not sure, but I think it was going for £300,000 - hardly a fortune.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 17:49:22
Apparently it was several million to buy the club but they needed £300k to keep trading by last Fridays deadline 5pm(I think it was said).

Gaming International had that is spare cash so they signed the deal even though Chinese investors where in the running they couldn't free £300k by last Friday so they shit out on the deal.

Also the Torquay Fans Trust only has 133 members (@£24 a year) so that was never going to happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 18:09:31
While looking round the forums I found this post about finances in L2, I didn't realise that Crawley and Notts County were subject currently to "winding up orders", also the Daily Mirror is reporting that Morecambe & Hartlepool are close to it also despite what this list says.....bad times for football indeed.

Quote
Pinched from the Morecambe forum:

Just checked credit ratings of League 2 clubs and there a lot in an awful mess besides us. Many are just crawling from one month to the next.

Anything over 50 is decent. 30-50 isn't great. Under 30 is worrying. Less than 20 and the recommendation is do 'cash transactions only' and is close to going under. Obviously the credit agencies only look at the fundamentals. So Accy's rating is based on past performance and last accounts.

Notts County 0 - winding up order
Crawley Town 0 - winding up order
Mansfield Town 3
Accrington Stanley 5
Newport County 10
Hartlepool 10
Grimsby Town 13
Stevenage 13
Plymouth Argyle 14
Morecambe 19
Leyton Orient 22
Luton Town 24
Carlisle United 42
Cheltenham 43
Wycombe Wanderers 44
Doncaster Rovers 50
Yeovil 59
Crewe Alexandra 60
Cambridge United 64
Exeter City 66
Barnet 69
Portsmouth 75
Blackpool 91



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 19:27:58
While looking round the forums I found this post about finances in L2, I didn't realise that Crawley and Notts County were subject currently to "winding up orders", also the Daily Mirror is reporting that Morecambe & Hartlepool are close to it also despite what this list says.....bad times for football indeed.



Interesting that Blackpool have the best by some distance...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 19:32:22
Interesting that Blackpool have the best by some distance...

Would be interesting how we compare, in potential advance of next season  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 20:15:19
Interesting that Blackpool have the best by some distance...

Not really. Own the ground and hotel etc, years of parachute payments unspent...


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 21, 2016, 08:07:28
Not really. Own the ground and hotel etc, years of parachute payments unspent...
It was more the extent that the ownership is loathed by the fan base, but at least the club appears to have some financial stability? Reminds me of another club, I just cannot recall which one?  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, December 21, 2016, 11:33:18
It was more the extent that the ownership is loathed by the fan base, but at least the club appears to have some financial stability? Reminds me of another club, I just cannot recall which one?  ;)

That's a huge leap from some of our fans having a moan about poor PR and a perceived lack of ambition, to an owner taking loads of cash out the club while suffering 3 relegations in 5 seasons, suing fans etc...!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 21, 2016, 11:59:45
That's a huge leap from some of our fans having a moan about poor PR and a perceived lack of ambition, to an owner taking loads of cash out the club while suffering 3 relegations in 5 seasons, suing fans etc...!

Sorry, have you read what a lot of our fans say about Power that's apparently exactly what he is up to (apparently), if he was litigious he could have a field day with certain outlets.

Likewise (tongue in cheek) if he is taking so much cash out, why is the credit rating so good? Be very interesting to see likewise for D3 as I suspect with our long history of problems ours would be woeful.

The Morecambe story has received very little limited coverage up here and if the local rag is to be believed its all down to cashflow during an ownership change (now where I have heard that before) associated with the process of being taken over by a Brazilian entrepreneur, who lives in Qatar - what could go wrong? In fact all sounds very familiar http://www.thevisitor.co.uk/sport/football/shrimps/morecambe-football-fans-vote-unanimously-to-form-supporters-trust-1-8270719 although you may get drawn to the story about the Hamster, Acid and Cannabis!

As per the other thread the Oystons are estate agents.....  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 21, 2016, 16:34:08
The Blackpool very different, the payments to the Oyston family were reported in the accounts, all above board and not illegal, but clearly showing how they saw their investment.  They also sold land to themselves and sold it back to the club at a premium.  Their path is clear, milk every last penny out now that they got to the golden goose.


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 22, 2016, 19:03:19
Ok Morecambe are making the news up here a little now.... http://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/morecambe-board-new-owner-has-failed-to-deliver-on-promised-investment-1-8302814


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, December 23, 2016, 10:34:57
Not looking very pretty for Reading

(i know it's the mail)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4060130/Reading-Portsmouth-money-troubles-persist-Championship-side.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, December 23, 2016, 10:58:39
Not looking very pretty for Reading

(i know it's the mail)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4060130/Reading-Portsmouth-money-troubles-persist-Championship-side.html

Reading fans have been too lucky for too long, about time they shared in the suffering.

Having said that, some clubs just seem to be able to fall down the shitter, like Bormuff, and come up smelling of roses.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, December 23, 2016, 11:02:05
Reading fans have been too lucky for too long, about time they shared in the suffering.

Having said that, some clubs just seem to be able to fall down the shitter, like Bormuff, and come up smelling of roses.
That's very true Reg. I am not sure you can bounce back from that level of debt though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 23, 2016, 12:21:14
Guess I'll have to find another club to grumpily moan that "it could have been us" about..

Oh, wait, Swansea...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Islington Red on Saturday, December 24, 2016, 08:47:21
Notts County rescued again, a good thing but follows on from the credit rating post https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/22/notts-county-takeover-alan-hardy-ray-trew


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, December 24, 2016, 08:55:52
Notts County rescued again, a good thing but follows on from the credit rating post https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/22/notts-county-takeover-alan-hardy-ray-trew
They seem to have been bailed out more often than we have have.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, December 24, 2016, 09:56:17
Reading fans have been too lucky for too long, about time they shared in the suffering.

Having said that, some clubs just seem to be able to fall down the shitter, like Bormuff, and come up smelling of roses.

So true.  Since Madejski first arrived, they've had such an easy ride.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Saturday, December 24, 2016, 11:06:38
They are the next Coventry, they have been screwed err royally.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, December 24, 2016, 16:42:41
But they got that song though. Even when they're sinking down the leagues and losing fans, that song will see them through the tough times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, December 24, 2016, 21:01:24
Speaking of "that song", who remembers this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvi1jpREfTI


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, December 30, 2016, 10:08:18
Does anyone actually believe that China can become as footballing powerhouse? Its starting to get a bit silly now. Oscar and Tevez for over 500k a week and now it appears one of the Chinese teams are after Rolando and are willing to give him over a million a week. I'd highly unlikely that nothing will materialise but still, the worlds gone mad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, December 30, 2016, 10:09:18
To top it off, the Chinese FA are trying to poach english ref's as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 30, 2016, 10:26:15
Mmmmm! Poached refs!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, December 30, 2016, 12:18:01
This surely isn't sustainable - the fees they are paying have clubs biting their hands off (£52m for Oscar?) and the wages make Rooney look like a fucking pauper.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, December 30, 2016, 12:55:39
I can't see it lasting, players will go out there for a quick buck then bugger off because of the poor level of football.
I can see why it may appeal to aging players, much like the MLS. A lower lever, slower pace but still once last hefty pay check, but surely it not good for players like Oscar who are still developing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 30, 2016, 13:07:41
Its good for his bank balance, presumably that outweighs footballing ambition.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, December 30, 2016, 13:19:41
Its good for his bank balance, presumably that outweighs footballing ambition.
and 100k a week isn't?
The only other notable player at the club he has signed for is Hulk. The rest, no offence to them are probably league 1 and 2 standard.
Yes, the lure of 500k a week is hard to turn down but i'd much rather be playing with and against top class players week in week out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Friday, December 30, 2016, 21:31:30
and 100k a week isn't?
The only other notable player at the club he has signed for is Hulk. The rest, no offence to them are probably league 1 and 2 standard.
Yes, the lure of 500k a week is hard to turn down but i'd much rather be playing with and against top class players week in week out.

The financial lure could mean that in a few years, China could be the new Premier League. It didn't take the PL long to attract some of Europe's finest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 15:30:46
https://twitter.com/i/moments/816230442005168128

getting booked after breaking your leg for hitting the ground in pain with your hand -awkward


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 15:33:15
https://twitter.com/i/moments/816230442005168128

getting booked after breaking your leg for hitting the ground in pain with your hand -awkward

He got booked because he swore and spat at Pompeys medical staff, then abused the player who tackled him. Granted I'd probably be a bit miffed if I'd broken my leg but the reporting is pretty wrong there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 15:37:20
He got booked because he swore and spat at Pompeys medical staff, then abused the player who tackled him. Granted I'd probably be a bit miffed if I'd broken my leg but the reporting is pretty wrong there.

He spat at someone and only got booked?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 15:39:03
The financial lure could mean that in a few years, China could be the new Premier League. It didn't take the PL long to attract some of Europe's finest.
But China has quite a strict foreign player policy, where teams can only have 3 or 4 foreign players. You'll have teams consisting of 4 Oscars and 7 Shola Ameobi's


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 16:14:46
The financial lure could mean that in a few years, China could be the new Premier League. It didn't take the PL long to attract some of Europe's finest.

They are mostly attracting South American and African players, who mostly think about money, whilst I think most European players would rather play at a higher standard and win CL....then go and play retirement football in China/Middle East.

Look at Tevez. He wanted to play for his old team Boca Juniors until he retired....but when the stupid money came in from China, he left.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 16:18:53
They are mostly attracting South American and African players, who mostly think about money, whilst I think most European players would rather play at a higher standard and win CL....then go and play retirement football in China/Middle East.

Look at Tevez. He wanted to play for his old team Boca Juniors until he retired....but when the stupid money came in from China, he left.

A quote from tevez has been doing the rounds recently.

"Football is only about money, and I don't like it. There are so many agents with really young footballers... it's awful, as these young players are not interested in winning titles, they only want money."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, 18:01:17
They are mostly attracting South American and African players, who mostly think about money, whilst I think most European players would rather play at a higher standard and win CL....then go and play retirement football in China/Middle East.

Look at Tevez. He wanted to play for his old team Boca Juniors until he retired....but when the stupid money came in from China, he left.
I did say 'in a few years'. The balance of power in football could in time shift from Europe to China/Asia. Some big name coaches have already been attracted (Eriksson, Stojkovic, Zaccheroni). I'm not envisaging the demise of European football, just that I think it is entirely possible for China/Asia to attract more European stars, including those not yet on their last legs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 4, 2017, 14:25:40
I did say 'in a few years'. The balance of power in football could in time shift from Europe to China/Asia. Some big name coaches have already been attracted (Eriksson, Stojkovic, Zaccheroni). I'm not envisaging the demise of European football, just that I think it is entirely possible for China/Asia to attract more European stars, including those not yet on their last legs.

You strike a good point there. A good example is the AFC Cup. I know we had vested interests with Luongo but I watched a fair amount of that tournament (I'm aware International level is a different fish to Club level) and as tournaments go, the standard was pretty good from over half the teams. A good few of the matches were pretty entertaining. If thats what Asian and Australasian football is going to be offering it might have a decent market to tap into. That is only a better thing for that region of the world. Its good for us because it gives us "more" football to have a look at.

I think Tim Cahil was at/still is at Shenhua Shanghai a Chinese Prem team. The point i'm erring to is, if players see others go and also view it as pioneering in their field then why not give it a go. I think it's win/win if you're young or old. If you're a younger player with high regard, there will be teams "back here" willing to snap you up (and probably on a free due to the size of contract) and bring you home. If you're older 30+ (older soapy tit wank) then why not take a final pension burting pay day and earn upwards of 10mil a season (even better if you get one of those "niggling" injuries that you "just can't shake off boss"). Although the latter is definitely more damaging to football on the whole.

I guess its personal development too. Some of us, if we had the chance (some on here have taken the chance) to go and work for a big or reputable company in a new country, that was starting a pilot project would jump at the chance. Naturally a rise in salary is the sweetener as well as all the other remuneration that comes with good companies wanting to attract new people. I'd do it. Someone else may not and they'd prefer to stay somewhere more familiar, and that is perfectly fine for them too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 5, 2017, 11:51:49
According to the papers West Ham are wiling to pay £15m for Defoe! The worlds gone mad.
Ok, He's still banging them in for fun in a poor squad, but £15m???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, January 5, 2017, 12:06:29
With how many of those goals have been penalties?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2017, 12:19:06
Didn't really know where to put this to be honest, so here seems as good as anywhere...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38507682


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 5, 2017, 12:42:12
Didn't really know where to put this to be honest, so here seems as good as anywhere...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38507682
What a knob. And like that, in a moment of madness he's lost his job.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, January 5, 2017, 21:41:22
Interesting developments at Millwall and the local council selling the ground beneath their feet literally.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/05/millwall-admit-council-scheme-leave-lewisham?CMP=share_btn_tw


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2017, 22:26:29
classic scare tactics to put pressure on the council.

like Coventry and their move to Northampton... oh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2017, 12:05:57
classic scare tactics to put pressure on the council.

like Coventry and their move to Northampton... oh.

The dubious links between the Council and 'Renewal' are considerably deeper than the Guardian has reported, its been knocking about in Private Eye for ages!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 9, 2017, 16:35:20
 :no:

http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/181981-straw-poll-drum/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 23, 2017, 14:24:29
FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/21/steve-bruce-drops-aston-villa-ross-mccormack-missing-training


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 23, 2017, 16:51:05
Thank god it wasn't a mattress, he'd have been stuck at home for weeks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 23, 2017, 17:08:08
FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/21/steve-bruce-drops-aston-villa-ross-mccormack-missing-training

Rangeresque


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 23, 2017, 17:14:38
FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jan/21/steve-bruce-drops-aston-villa-ross-mccormack-missing-training

I read somewhere that McCormack claimed the fence/gate was too tall to climb over so Bruce himself went round to check up on him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, January 23, 2017, 18:18:59
Thank god it wasn't a mattress, he'd have been stuck at home for weeks.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8683196.I___m_trapped_in_my_own_home_/?ref=mr

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 23, 2017, 18:52:29
If ever a story managed to encapsulate all that is wrong with local newspapers today, that one must be the gold standard.  I pass this story on to anyone I meet, so it's now know globally (well, by about 10 people in Georgia USA).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 15:07:21
If ever a story managed to encapsulate all that is wrong with local newspapers today, that one must be the gold standard.  I pass this story on to anyone I meet, so it's now know globally (well, by about 10 people in Georgia USA).

Its been heavily circulated over the years in town planning circles in the north west.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 15:08:02
Who would want to be a referee and put up with this.... http://www.punditarena.com/football/svaughan/john-sheridans-touchline-tirade-shows-the-extent-of-abuse-referees-are-subjected-to/

Notts County claiming this is actually why he was sacked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 23:09:52
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/watch-senegal-goalkeeper-bizarre-timewasting-tactic-will-leave-scratching-head/109095


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 25, 2017, 11:57:20
Aidy Boothroyd being lined up to be England's U21 manager. Although it could be worse, according to the Times, Cotterill was on the shortlist. FFS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, January 25, 2017, 18:46:20
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/watch-senegal-goalkeeper-bizarre-timewasting-tactic-will-leave-scratching-head/109095

That's so bad it's almost good
It's the sort of thing I used to do in PE after I got kicked out of cross country club (long story)

Also Ross McCormack is a bellend (that's confirmed by me), apparently the Fulham players don't want him back because he's been so disruptive (not confirmed)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, January 29, 2017, 08:41:19
Part-time Liverpool fans or part-time fans of clubs who dislike Liverpool who attend games not involving them and loudly obsessing over their latest score.

I go to a lot of football matches and it doesn't matter if I'm at Swindon, the Bristol clubs, Bath City, Fulham, Gateshead, whatever. I'm also always sat/stood next to a couple of people obessessing over Liverpool's latest score.

Yesterday was no exception. 'Haha! WOLVES HAVE SCORED!', 'What's the Liverpool score?', 'I'll take a replay'. Their requests are clearly not out of mild curiousity either as they talk in length about what Klopp should do next etc.

It's okay, we get it, you don't support Swindon and you all want us to know about it. The same applies to the adults I've seen at Town games in, for example, Man Utd polo shirts.

Ugh. It shouldn't bother as it's trivial but it does.



Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 29, 2017, 10:29:18
some people have two teams, a watch live local team and a premier league team t usually the one they liked at school.

for me at school it was Man U, but on the day of the 2-2 home draw I stopped my two timing and dumped man u for good.

I would quite like them to win over other teams, but I'm not that bothered.

but I do somehow still hate Liverpool, so recently frequently ask my 'not dumped his premier league team' fellow Swindon fan what the Liverpool score is. it's been quite fun.

I don't think it's fair to say everyone in the category doesn't support Swindon. and with Liverpool it's clear they aren't glory supporters!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, January 29, 2017, 10:39:20
You're the enemy, batch.

No issue with people who feel following a small team isn't enough (although it's not my thing) but the audible over-interest at games not involving them grates. Especially my team, the team we're watching, is shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 29, 2017, 10:48:52
sorry dude, the opportunity to take the p outweighs not upsetting you.

actually, last time the Liverpool ft was announced on the CG PA and there was a bit of a cheer. Even I don't get that..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 10:25:41
sin bins for yellow cars... not being discussed for the professional game yet, but can you imagine if it was.. the way referees shower them like confetti ...

make sense in youth football I suppose, where yellows are rare.. not played in the adult leagues for about 10 years so no idea if it would suffer the same as the pro game would


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 10:41:41
This all sounds strangely familiarespecially the bit likening the saga to buying a house...

http://www.thevisitor.co.uk/news/diary-of-morecambe-fc-s-maddest-week-1-8362896

and now and exclusive interview from Costa Coffee!

http://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/exclusive-i-am-the-owner-of-morecambe-fc-1-8362866

Be careful what you wish for?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 10:47:11
sin bins for yellow cars... not being discussed for the professional game yet, but can you imagine if it was.. the way referees shower them like confetti ...

make sense in youth football I suppose, where yellows are rare.. not played in the adult leagues for about 10 years so no idea if it would suffer the same as the pro game would

It is being considered.
There are some challenges that maybe warrant more than a yellow but are not a red e.g. the cynical drag back or chop down when a player is about to break free in midfield. These are often lauded as "taking one for the team", but are still very annoying when only a yellow is given.

Some of the other changes are "interesting" to say the least, but most look to have been rubbished by current managers etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/marco-van-basten-fifa-plans-change-football-a7534186.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 21:33:06
This is just plainly bollocks, I didn't know that Bournemouth didn't own their ground, who does when they say coming years for a new ground is it similar to our aspiration to move to a new ground in the coming years? But at least they have more space than Chelsea which is just shit!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38828349


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 15:35:17
Their ground is owned by a London property company - Stuctadene:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/09/bournemouth-new-stadium-site-dean-court-vitality-stadium

What I find most annoying about that article on access is that Watford have only just developed a new stand, if they realy gave a shit, they'd have managed to complete it then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 15:38:28
Their ground is owned by a London property company - Stuctadene:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/09/bournemouth-new-stadium-site-dean-court-vitality-stadium

What I find most annoying about that article on access is that Watford have only just developed a new stand, if they realy gave a shit, they'd have managed to complete it then.
Watford have made it clear they don't intend to do it. They were quoted a couple of weeks ago (no, don't remember where OTTOMH, but likely one of BBC, Guardian or Times) saying that they only get demand for less than 100 disabled supporters and if they implemented the full quota it would mean turfing ST holders out of seats they'd had for years to make space for disabled seating that wouldn't then be used. Which, if they've only just built a new stand, sounds like a load of bullshit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 15:47:38
http://www.glevents.co.uk/watch-live-feed-watford-fc-east-stand-construction/

Future proofed indeed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 17:19:21
Their ground is owned by a London property company - Stuctadene:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/09/bournemouth-new-stadium-site-dean-court-vitality-stadium

What I find most annoying about that article on access is that Watford have only just developed a new stand, if they realy gave a shit, they'd have managed to complete it then.

So they are planning to find a site, design a stadium, seek and obtain planning permission and then build the stadium all within c.3.5 years. Ambitious..... Held to ransom? you flogged  the asset boys its up to the owner what he wants to sell it back for.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 19:55:38
So they are planning to find a site, design a stadium, seek and obtain planning permission and then build the stadium all within c.3.5 years. Ambitious..... Held to ransom? you flogged  the asset boys its up to the owner what he wants to sell it back for.
If you think Bournemouth will be in the PL in 2020/21 and need a new stadium.

 They have been on a slide recently since they threw away a 3-0 lead against Arsenal. They might have enough this season with 26 points in the bag but if they carry it on next year or Howe gets tempted away it could be interesting.

Maybe they could use their PL windfall to repay the Russian loans and create a stable financially secure club.

Sent from my HTC One M9


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 19:59:28
http://www.gillinghamfootballclub.com/news/article/2016-17/club-statement-february-2-2017-3552873.aspx

Red tape meaning Gillingham have signed someone they are unable to play as he's played for a league side and a national league side which counts as a league side.  Ill be very surprised if our geniuses dont find we've cocked up as well.  Thats surely our job to screw things up?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 20:09:53
And FGR running up losses of £2.5 million, with a wage bill of over £2m. But don't worry, their losses are coming down from nearer £3m.

http://m.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/forest-green-rovers-made-losses-of-nearly-2-5-million-in-2015-16/story-30107550-detail/story.html

If that is what a Robert and a Drissa cost, they must have some top draw negotiators working for them. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 20:27:51
Bournemouth spent 30m on wages the year they went up!!!!!  Racking up a loss of 38m for that financial year.  The balance sheet was set at minus 47m.

They took a charge of 7m from the previous season for failing the FL FFP test, imagine they'd be recording another one in the next set of accounts as well.  They may well manage to completely spend all of the 100m they get for being in the top flight and as yet still only have an 11k capacity leased stadium.  While they will no doubt not be too worried right now, if I were a fan I'd be getting a bit twitchy about the legacy - only speaking from having our fingers burned post Black.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 20:48:13
Hope those cunts go bust


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 21:09:07
Hope those cunts go bust

I am sure Pompey fans would be willing to give helpful advice. At least they owned the ground and had a decent supporter base who have kept Pompey going. You would worry Bournemouth would do if they get stuck in the Championship with no parachute money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 11:32:03
Sunderland, totally shite, on the verge of relegation, but Mr Moyes thinks its a good idea to treat the squad to a trip to New York for a team building break straight after their home game with the Saints,
the players may as well got on the plane prior to the kick off, fucking piss take, get the fuckers in for training everyday  until their next game :badmood:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 11:33:49
Sounds a bit like the luke williams school of thought


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 11:35:40
Sounds a bit like the luke williams school of thought

nah, he'd take us to Waterford


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 09:27:40

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38978373

Unethical hair is fine by me. If it's part of a winning team then even better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 12:18:25
Used to think that Infantino was a fairly decent bloke.  Now not so much...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38992310


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 23:30:34
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C343onpWcAAxmbz.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, February 17, 2017, 08:36:10
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C343onpWcAAxmbz.jpg)

Bit of a weird thing to hate, when in Barcelona I watched Barcelona, when in New York I watched red bulls etc etc, when people visit this country and they watch a match that is what's wrong with football?

Tourists buying half scarfs to remember a match? I am obviously assuming these are tourists as well but if they are locals then I still don't see the issue? T


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 17, 2017, 09:13:28
I'll watch football whenever I can when I'm abroad and I'll sometimes specifically travel abroad to watch a football match.

Luckily, I'm white European so very few can take a picture and judge me.

(I won't be seen wearing by a half/half scarf though)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 17, 2017, 09:15:41
Saying that, taking multiple photos/videos at football matches sort of irks. A quick picture is fine but the wanky-cam videos? Not fine.

...and don't get me started on vlogging.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, February 17, 2017, 09:57:14
Yeah as others have said, being a tourist is probably the only time you can get away with a half a half scarf.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, February 17, 2017, 22:26:41
Ha the first 2 guys are on their phones and it looks like the third has a full on DSLR, I'm surprised that was allowed in a PL ground?

I find referring to Chelsea/Arsenal as a big derby more annoying, tbh. There's more to derbies than geographical location.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 07:04:41
The modern football fans sense of entitlement. From Arsenal fans moaning that they should be winning championships to our own supporters moaning that we should be pushing for promotion every season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 08:15:23
if you pay over 1k for a season ticket, you should expect to win things over time. finally the myth that overrated above average manger Wenger is a world beater is unraveling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 09:17:50
if you pay over 1k for a season ticket, you should expect to win things over time. finally the myth that overrated above average manger Wenger is a world beater is unraveling.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/arsene-wengers-premier-league-record-174739937.html

Take away the abomination of the 'Champions' League and the whole debate around success in the top division changes.

I must admit, I'm quite looking forward to Wenger going and his replacement being a bit of a Moyes-van Gaal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 09:31:27
it's that in a nutshell isn't it, getting to the champions league knockout = success in modern football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 12:35:42
I think it's somewhat harsh to call Wenger overrated.
He's certainly failed to adapt or move on with the times but his early Arsenal sides were fantastic - as were a lot of his signings.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 12:44:13
 Reading about the fella, whose done 93 league club grounds in England/Wales for the Guinness Book of Records. He keeps stubs as part of proof, some clubs don't issue, so he writes to them and they send him one. Apparently Arsenal charged him a tenner for a stub.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 12:48:09
I think it's somewhat harsh to call Wenger overrated.

Well I don't. He's created one good team, brilliant, amazing team. A long time ago.

Mourinho way ahead of him behind SAF as best premier manager. Other managers at lesser clubs performing better miracles IMO.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 13:44:05
Well I don't. He's created one good team, brilliant, amazing team. A long time ago.

Mourinho way ahead of him behind SAF as best premier manager. Other managers at lesser clubs performing better miracles IMO.
Agree with some of that, but Mourinho? Has a great impact in 1st and 2nd season, then the initial shock and awe treatment stops working and he quits/gets sacked in the 3rd. He's not capable of building and rebuilding in the way SAF did or to a lesser extent Wenger did and doesn't have the staying power either of them have. Wenger's faded badly over the last decade and probably should have jacked it 5 years ago tbh, but Mourinho's a flash-in-the-pan impact manager, does a job for a couple of seasons and once the initial impact wears off, has no idea what to do next.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 13:58:32
Joey Barton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 14:21:51
won more than Wenger, separated over time.

agree hrs worst of your ambition is simple top 4


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 14:23:17
Joey Barton
Agreed but hopefully Lincoln hang on. Barton gets his toes stamped on and goes down clutching his head. Cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 18, 2017, 14:23:48
won more than Wenger, separated over time.
Yes, he wins loads in his first two seasons everywhere he goes. Then has to move on as he can't sustain it into a 3rd season. No way he could build a 20-year career at one club as Wenger and SAF have done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 13:41:59
From the "Be careful what you wish for" corner:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/01/leyton-orient-served-winding-up-order-over-unpaid-tax-bills


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 14:45:34
From the "Be careful what you wish for" corner:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/01/leyton-orient-served-winding-up-order-over-unpaid-tax-bills

Likewise.... http://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/bruising-defeat-claim-in-shrimps-ownership-battle-1-8413780

Them were the days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 14:53:12
Sam Allardyce, long hailed by the media as being on the cutting edge of dragging football into using sports science, apparently wrote this in his programme notes for Palace at the weekend:

"The increase in performance doesn’t have to be that big. If you put two per cent on every player, that’s an overall 22 per cent increase in how you play."

I mean, where do you start?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 15:31:28
Sam Allardyce, long hailed by the media as being on the cutting edge of dragging football into using sports science, apparently wrote this in his programme notes for Palace at the weekend:

"The increase in performance doesn’t have to be that big. If you put two per cent on every player, that’s an overall 22 per cent increase in how you play."

I mean, where do you start?

It would explain how a team can give 110%.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 15:34:04
It would explain how a team can give 110%.
Or even as much as 122%, apparently


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 15:52:28
Using that math, a team giving only 110% or 122% would be very ineffective.  If they played a team only giving half their ability and energy each, that other team would be giving 550%!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 16:07:29
Using that math, a team giving only 110% or 122% would be very ineffective.  If they played a team only giving half their ability and energy each, that other team would be giving 550%!!!
Think we might have stumbled on why Palace are going down ....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 19:44:13
Not really whats wrong with football as such but something we know very well, I hear Chesterfield could be in line too if they don't find a buyer soon as they have been up for sale for a month or more with no takers.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2981496/leyton-orient-winding-up-order-administation/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 19:57:50
Clubs never get liquidated. I'd actually like to start seeing clubs disappear - and no, I don't care about the fans.

I'm so disillusioned with football as a whole, I'd quite like to see the supposed great pyramid start to fall down around us for once.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 20:07:06
Im with you.  Im all for a 'big' club disappear.  There has to be a point where its not feasible to live on debt and promise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 20:16:13
Im with you.  Im all for a 'big' club disappear.  There has to be a point where its not feasible to live on debt and promise.
I would love one of the larger clubs (even down to Championship level) go bust but the structure of ownership with holding companies etc makes clubs actually going to the wall almost impossible these days.

A few of the lower league clubs have gone to the wall in the last 20 years or so but no team that has actually achieved anything in football, probably the biggest were Darlington, Chester or Maidstone I would think as all the others such as Leeds, Coventry etc have just changed name and holding companies to get round actually going bust.

The current spending/wages level of football league clubs cannot be sustained and something big and bad happening needs to shake the roots and scare the big teams.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 20:50:23
I think I'd only take some satisfaction of a club going bust is if it was related to the greed-abominations of the PL and CL.

If Town ever got there, I'd hope that the riches received would go into rebuilding the CG and not in the forlorn hope of trying to stay there by blowing the cash on players and creating media suites.

It could be interesting to see what might happen to Bournemouth or Leicester if they go down this season. I'd be surprised if the bags of TV cash would disappear pretty quickly, leaving them up the creek, but the level of debt that some former PL clubs still have are hints that regardless the size of the riches, someone can piss it away.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, March 2, 2017, 04:10:34
Sam Allardyce, long hailed by the media as being on the cutting edge of dragging football into using sports science, apparently wrote this in his programme notes for Palace at the weekend:

"The increase in performance doesn’t have to be that big. If you put two per cent on every player, that’s an overall 22 per cent increase in how you play."

I mean, where do you start?

Bob Holt school of figures.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 2, 2017, 20:38:43
Coventry City released their accounts today - dead club walking.  They have been loaded with three loans at 10%, 11% and 19% annual interest and accrued over 4m in interest payments in the past 4 years alone.  They haven't paid their owners yet, so logic suggests the owners have an asset in mind to sell at some point and call it in when cash is available (training ground seems the favourite).
Directors also managed 215k in payments, although that was down on the previous year.

How the FL allows clubs to be run into the ground like this is beyond me.  Unlike other businesses, the owners know they avoid liquidation and that customers will keep stumping cash up for them even without anything worth buying being put on offer.  The FL therefore needs to act as a regulator and clearly has zero interest in doing so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whits on Thursday, March 2, 2017, 20:48:50
Did they go to wonga for those interest rates?! Decking hell


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 2, 2017, 20:58:50
Their owners!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 2, 2017, 21:28:24
yeah saw that here: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-make-600000-profit-12679244.amp

Shame we don't know as much about our own club.. or do we?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 3, 2017, 13:53:34
I'd rather not know and be us than know and be them at the moment.  Interestingly I think it was 9 clubs who don't produce full accounts in this league, including us of course.  It's an area the FL could insist upon as a regulator - full financial disclosure if you want the Golden Share.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, March 4, 2017, 14:01:32
Kevin Friend


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 5, 2017, 09:47:33

The ball being returned to the team in possession after an injury stoppage is good, very sporting and sometimes gets applauded.

Having it hoofed back to the goalkeeper by the opposition after maybe being in a threatening position is not so good.

Why not just have an uncontested drop ball from the ref, at the spot where last possession was prior to the game being stopped.
At least then it's up to the team gaining possession, if 20 passes later the ball ends up back with the goalkeeper anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 6, 2017, 15:53:50
In the Premier League era, so in the last 24 and a half seasons only 24 penalties have been awarded to away teams at Old Trafford and of those only 17 have been scored, including one by Paul Bodin!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 6, 2017, 15:59:47

Not so much what's wrong with football, more what's wrong with Russia.
Half time entertainment at next world cup followed by "draka" leagues across Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/05/russian-mp-legalise-football-violence-sport


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 13:41:19
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/outrage-brazil-football-club-signs-goalkeeper-ordered-murder/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 14:26:38
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/outrage-brazil-football-club-signs-goalkeeper-ordered-murder/
It's Brazil. To them this is probably no different to when Luke McCormick started playing again


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 20, 2017, 15:26:04
Kit manufacturers having more say in the colour/design of kits than the clubs or national associations that wear the fucking things:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/20/englands-new-blue-away-kit-unveiled-ahead-germany-friendly/

England away dressed as France.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:36:28
I started to read it, not sure why to be honest, but was forced to stop by this mind-melting bollocks:

Quote from: Nike
Extensively tested by the England squad, Nike AeroSwift technology represents Nike’s most advanced apparel innovation with enhanced fit, superior breathability and reduced weight.

Designed to facilitate football at top speed, the shirt’s engineered knit zones create a geometric pattern that enhances fit for the athlete in motion.

Seriously? What cunt writes this guff. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:41:41
I started to read it, not sure why to be honest, but was forced to stop by this mind-melting bollocks:

Seriously? What cunt writes this guff. :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
As far as guff goes, that's very top speed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, March 25, 2017, 09:27:31

Just seen a photo of the tackle on Seamus Coleman last night.
Nasty. Hope he can make a full recovery from that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 25, 2017, 09:46:39
Just seen a photo of the tackle on Seamus Coleman last night.
Nasty. Hope he can make a full recovery from that.

Did you see the Bale one on John O'Shea? Very lucky indeed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, March 25, 2017, 10:34:22
Kit manufacturers having more say in the colour/design of kits than the clubs or national associations that wear the fucking things:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/20/englands-new-blue-away-kit-unveiled-ahead-germany-friendly/

England away dressed as France.

I like it. Basic but smart. I don't think it hurts to have a break from tradition (although as I type this I immediately think Southgate V Germany in 96). We've been shit in red for 40 years, maybe it's time to retire it? (ooh, controversial)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 27, 2017, 09:25:54
WE don't appear to have any celebrity fans..... apart from Reg of course.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/0/football-clubs-famous-celebrity-fan/jenson-button/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 27, 2017, 10:31:04
WE don't appear to have any celebrity fans..... apart from Reg of course.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/0/football-clubs-famous-celebrity-fan/jenson-button/

Isn't Cullum the one that always gets wheeled out? And wee Willie of course. Oh, and Ivo Graham.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 27, 2017, 10:37:43
His dad definitely was, not sure if he was himself though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 27, 2017, 11:14:08
Speaking of Ivo graham, does anyone remember a used from 4-5 years ago who was at Eton and seemed quite naiive about a lot of things, but was generAlly good humoured? Name was pericarp, or something along those lines? Would that have been mr graham?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 27, 2017, 12:24:26
i remember pericarp, less so he was at Eton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, March 27, 2017, 12:33:38
The only reference I can find on here of pericarp and eton was this thread where he was catching a train and managed to ask about 400 questions

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=46606.0

That's a bit of a random leap to think it's Ivo Graham.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 27, 2017, 13:58:39
Haha fair enough, fuck knows who I'm thinking of


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:03:06
Haha fair enough, fuck knows who I'm thinking of

The great Ivo Peters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2m6UKodCIM


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:06:22
Haha fair enough, fuck knows who I'm thinking of
He has just confirmed it was not him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:07:21
Wrong thread DRS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:12:51
Well he would of still said it wasn't him so i am not fucking deleting it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:19:54
Ivo Graham confirmed it wasn't him?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:21:50
Ivo Graham confirmed it wasn't him?
Yeah, so right thread actually.Fuck off Jay


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, March 27, 2017, 15:24:26
Of course he'd deny it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, March 27, 2017, 16:01:16
I thought you were on about DMR tbf


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 21:32:53
Shaun Harvey talking up  retaining the checkatrade format

my favourite bit:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39425301
"We didn't actually fine clubs for playing younger players. We fined them for not playing enough senior ones"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 09:02:08
Shaun Harvey talking up  retaining the checkatrade format

my favourite bit:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39425301
"We didn't actually fine clubs for playing younger players. We fined them for not playing enough senior ones"

Superb. What a clown!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 09:39:00
The PFA (and the FA, Premier League and Football League of course):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/28/jeff-astles-family-have-polite-have-let-us-enough-enough-gordon/
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/28/simon-weston-players-trust-footballers-sexual-abuse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 11:48:05

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39554486

Reading owner selling up to the Chinese as the club is too costly to run - but will be keeping hold of the hotel & surrounding land.

I'm sure it was mooted when they first took over all they was interested in was the surrounding land and it looks like it is coming true


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 12:10:34
Quote
Yongge, 46, failed in an attempt to buy Hull City in September and reportedly failed to meet the Football Association's fit and proper persons test.

 :eek: :eek: :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 13:57:19
I didn't know failing the "fit and proper persons test" was possible. Oh well live and learn.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 14:03:52
I didn't know failing the "fit and proper persons test" was possible. Oh well live and learn.
Even Jed McBorey and Lee Power passed it FFS.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 14:11:50
I didn't know failing the "fit and proper persons test" was possible. Oh well live and learn.

Cellino failed it, took the football authorities to court, where the decision was overruled. Essentially it is pretty difficult for anyone to be prevented making a capitalist living, whatever their backstory.

Recently Liam Fox was on a Brexit run trying to drum up a bit of trade with The Phillipines, attempting to woo Rodrigo Duterte, with weasel words about shared values. This is a fella who got elected on a platform of extrajudicial executions of drug dealers and other criminals, personally claiming 3.

I guess a similar platform might get shared values voters in our post Brexit Britain.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 18:22:32
Wasn't quite sure about where to put this, explosion outside Dortmund ground. Early reports that Marc Bartra has been injured in the incident.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 18:48:31
Wasn't quite sure about where to put this, explosion outside Dortmund ground. Early reports that Marc Bartra has been injured in the incident.

Apparently near the team coach, which was a long way from the stadium at the time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 13:15:00
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39566143

Who do we think these clubs are then?

Coventry, Bury, Orient and one other, maybe Port Vale would be my guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 13:17:52
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39566143

Who do we think these clubs are then?

Coventry, Bury, Orient and one other, maybe Port Vale would be my guess.
Hartlepool are almost certainly one of them.

I posted on here back in December about a few clubs close to the line.

Quote
Pinched from the Morecambe forum:

Just checked credit ratings of League 2 clubs and there a lot in an awful mess besides us. Many are just crawling from one month to the next.

Anything over 50 is decent. 30-50 isn't great. Under 30 is worrying. Less than 20 and the recommendation is do 'cash transactions only' and is close to going under. Obviously the credit agencies only look at the fundamentals. So Accy's rating is based on past performance and last accounts.

Notts County 0 - winding up order
Crawley Town 0 - winding up order
Mansfield Town 3
Accrington Stanley 5
Newport County 10
Hartlepool 10
Grimsby Town 13
Stevenage 13
Plymouth Argyle 14
Morecambe 19
Leyton Orient 22
Luton Town 24
Carlisle United 42
Cheltenham 43
Wycombe Wanderers 44
Doncaster Rovers 50
Yeovil 59
Crewe Alexandra 60
Cambridge United 64
Exeter City 66
Barnet 69
Portsmouth 75
Blackpool 91


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 13:18:02
Liverpool being willing to spend £35 million on Oxlade-Chamberlain.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 13, 2017, 17:46:13
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/15224230.Football_League_ask_LOFT_to_foot_Orient_s_medical_bills/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 14, 2017, 16:47:23
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/15224230.Football_League_ask_LOFT_to_foot_Orient_s_medical_bills/
FFS, "Guardians of the Game"? If the League did their job properly in the first place, these shitehawk owners wouldn't be able to run clubs down to that extent. Fucking clowns, they have no shame


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, April 15, 2017, 06:24:12
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39600306

Bizarre.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 18:21:06
John Terry


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 09:14:14
Great player


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 12:51:10
John Terry

Leader, Legend, Wanker.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 12:52:24
Leader, Legend, Wanker.

This! Though legend only in the Chelsea sense. Decent enough for England, not a legend though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 12:52:31
Leader, Legend, Wanker.
Good player, horrible person.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 16:21:11
never met him so can't tel lif he's horrible, seen him play though - he was very good


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 20, 2017, 16:54:07
never met him so can't tel lif he's horrible, seen him play though - he was very good

I believe that Wayne Bridge and Anton Ferdinand speak very highly of him.  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 21, 2017, 09:30:10
Suspect this should probably be more in a thread called "What the fuck is wrong with people?" but it's football-related - German police now saying the bomb attack on the Dortmund team bus was not a terrorist attack but some scumbag who'd bought a load of put options on Dortmund shares so he could profit from the collapse in the share price when half the team died.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/21/dortmund-bus-attack-suspect-arrested-as-police-allege-share-dealing-plot


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 21, 2017, 10:36:07
Swindon fans voting for the "Burmah" kit over the Spalls.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 21, 2017, 11:06:03
Swindon fans voting for the "Burmah" kit over the Spalls.


Crazy isn't it. I think most of my disappointment is down to the fact that I have the Burmah shirt already. I'd have made the Prem shirt an option if any.

I voted for the GWR as that's the shirt Town wore when I became an active fan but the  LLG one would be a nice retro remake though.

I don't even wear replicas shirts at matches so I don't know why I'm being so precious about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 21, 2017, 11:48:58
Swindon fans voting for the "Burmah" kit over the Spalls.


Wheres the vote?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 21, 2017, 13:02:29
Wheres the vote?
Yeah.....what vote?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 21, 2017, 13:13:19
http://mobile.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/town-replica-shirt-vote-3684611.aspx

Poll is on Twitter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 21, 2017, 15:12:57
Either of the first 2 would be class and I would probably buy one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, April 21, 2017, 17:11:37
Swindon fans voting for the "Burmah" kit over the Spalls.


Why? I like that one the most.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Friday, April 21, 2017, 17:20:20
They're all great for the older nostalgicists amongst us.

I'd go for the GWR FM shirt.

It is associated with sexy football that - on the pitch - achieved promotion to the top flight and remained unbowed by relegation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, April 21, 2017, 17:25:12
 I reckon we should get the 83/84  season kit back, for the coming campaign. Then we were in Div 4, with a GE just before the season starter..... then as probably now, a female Tory leader about to take the working classes of country down the drain.

STFC heading for a lowest ever league position, playing in front of gates a little over 3, 000 on a good day, but down to < 2000 on a bad day.

Shirt sponsor might upset a few mind....

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Swindon_Town/Swindon_Town.htm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 21, 2017, 17:31:24
Quote from: Ells
Quote
Swindon fans voting for the "Burmah" kit over the Spalls.

Why? I like that one the most.

it's got the shit  club badge, and i want the gwr one as it was my first shirt :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 21, 2017, 18:15:39
Time for some good old fashioned TEF Pressure Group?

https://twitter.com/official_stfc/status/855058359640346628


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Christy on Friday, April 21, 2017, 21:48:39
I think I still have the Burmah one, and might have to dig it out for tomorrow...although wearing the green potato print one didn't quite have the expected effect of delivering three points the other week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 09:07:59
Interesting....if unsurprising:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39716009


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 09:13:54
Interesting....if unsurprising:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39716009
Bit more detail here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/26/newcastle-west-ham-raided-hmrc-tax-fraud-investigation-transfers-lee-charnley-arrested

Astonishingly, it seems as though Mike Ashley's Newcastle might be under the spotlight


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 10:26:17
Bit more detail here:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/26/newcastle-west-ham-raided-hmrc-tax-fraud-investigation-transfers-lee-charnley-arrested

Astonishingly, it seems as though Mike Ashley's Newcastle might be under the spotlight

The penalty for financial irregularities after promotion to the top flight, is I believe to be relegated 2 divisions  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 10:44:23
The penalty for financial irregularities after promotion to the top flight and being a small club without expensive lawyers, is I believe to be relegated 2 divisions
Fixed it for you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 10:47:00
Would be better if they put Power and Sherwood in charge if found guilty. Same end result as 2 demotions but more painful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 10:48:09
I'm very confident that the footballing authorities will definitely deal with the matter accordingly, and in a way that is directly and fairly proportionate to the way they handled our financial irregularity case all those years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 11:12:20
I'm very confident that the footballing authorities will definitely deal with the matter accordingly, and in a way that is directly and fairly proportionate to the way they handled our financial irregularity case all those years ago.

Yeah, but NUFC and WHU are going to use lawyers, and defend their corner.
Its like our tactic of dropping our trousers  and bending over might not have been the best approach after all.

Still, may see a few individuals done, if not the FCs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:10:48
Yeah, but NUFC and WHU are going to use lawyers, and defend their corner.
Its like our tactic of dropping our trousers  and bending over might not have been the best approach after all.

Still, may see a few individuals done, if not the FCs.
Benitez has been very coy on his future at nufc thus far, but this may just make his mind up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:21:27
The penalty for financial irregularities after promotion to the top flight, is I believe to be relegated 2 divisions  :hmmm:
But for Power, the Irons and the Magpies would have been at the CG next season - just like the old days in Tier 2.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 17:32:42
I suppose 'rules are rules' but this will be hugely disappointing for the Clubs and their fans.   :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39719126


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 17:47:06
Surely Darlo have 500 covered seats across two stands in that huge stadium?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 17:56:30
AFAIK they don't play there any longer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 18:05:56
Surely Darlo have 500 covered seats across two stands in that huge stadium?

Darlo now a new club and play at Blackwell Meadows


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 18:46:59
Bollocks rule. Why did the league let them in in the first place if the ground wasnt up to standard?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 20:29:56
The penalty for financial irregularities after promotion to the top flight, is I believe to be relegated 2 divisions  :hmmm:
Cynical me says it'll be an affordable fine at worst. Just like Bournemouth and the FFP penalty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 1, 2017, 19:12:45
http://mobile.efl.com//news/article/2016/efl-statement-blackpool-v-leyton-orient-3701153.aspx


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 1, 2017, 19:14:46
the football league, is full of shit, the football league is...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, May 1, 2017, 21:24:26
Bollocks rule. Why did the league let them in in the first place if the ground wasnt up to standard?
The ground is up to league standards. But not up to the standards required for the play-offs which has a requirement for additional seats. Hungerford would have been banned from the play-offs as well despite paying thousands to upgrade their ground before the start of the season to bring it up to the required standard of the league and despite the fact that they could have installed the additional seats before the start of the play-offs.

It's a ridiculous rule and is obviously designed to ensure that small clubs don't advance up the league structure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 08:32:11
The murky world pof football finance, this all sounds a little bit McCrory v. Power http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2002669-winding-petition-set-pop-bolton-wanderers-promotion-balloon?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NorthWest_2nd_May_2017_Daily


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 05:41:15
It's not just the FA which are peculiar?

Sulley Muntari: Pescara midfielder banned for racism protest - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39786264


Sent from my Hudl 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: stfc11 on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 19:36:16
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39798344


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 19:42:02
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39798344

Not sure if it's a wrong thing. I've always thought the side going first has a distinct advantage, which apparently stats prove.

I'm sure either way will make fuck all difference to England or when it counts STFC.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, May 8, 2017, 09:37:35
 Is it just me or is the league football season ending on different weekends a new thing?  I know it must be for TV, but you just lose track and it all gets bitty. Worked out well for us mind being put out of our misery early doors.

 So, Bradford and Millwall are at Wembley  ( bad luck Bradford fans, you deserve better), so can get on with the ticket scam, whereas the Div 4 PO's haven't even started.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 8, 2017, 09:58:23
Yeah its crap that they did that for the football league. I guess its to try and spotlight each league but in reality it just gets forgotten about. The last games like the first should all KO at the same time.

The timing of the playoffs is a joke anyway. League one finished last week, they then rush two legs of the semi only to have to wait 3 weeks now for the final? So shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 8, 2017, 10:31:33
Playing the play off games at the same time for L1 and L2 is shite aswell. Of course, the Championship play off games are all played at different days and times. It stinks of neglecting leagues 1 and 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, May 8, 2017, 12:00:58
Is it just me or is the league football season ending on different weekends a new thing?  I know it must be for TV, but you just lose track and it all gets bitty. Worked out well for us mind being put out of our misery early doors.

 So, Bradford and Millwall are at Wembley  ( bad luck Bradford fans, you deserve better), so can get on with the ticket scam, whereas the Div 4 PO's haven't even started.

The calendar is all over the place this year, I think because of the Euros possibly, meaning the PL started a week late, so ends a week late. FA Cup final was bumped to the bank holiday weekend, so one of the play-off finals had to be moved forward a week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, May 9, 2017, 12:06:41
Hardly a new problem but...

 Against League 3‏ @AgainstLeague3 57m57 minutes ago

Quote
So clubs aren't voting on Checkatrade Trophy at AGM like last time. The vote has already been conducted. Clubs have filed responses.
6 replies 7 retweets 5 likes
Against League 3‏ @AgainstLeague3 57m57 minutes ago

This is really bad news, and as a campaign we should have realised. Nothing to be done now but wait for news.
1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
Against League 3‏ @AgainstLeague3 56m56 minutes ago

And the first piece of news - Notts County voted  IN FAVOUR of B Teams.
11 replies 7 retweets 3 likes
The club ran a fans' survey which showed fans were totally against the B team format. The chairman has justified it on financial grounds. I dare say Power will have voted in a similar fashion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, May 9, 2017, 13:18:50
Ineffective EFL in excluding disastrous owners (makes Power look good, very good)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/may/09/david-squires-on-crisis-clubs-and-terrible-owners


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 9, 2017, 13:43:20
Ineffective EFL in excluding disastrous owners (makes Power look good, very good)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/may/09/david-squires-on-crisis-clubs-and-terrible-owners

Disappointing that Squires who's a Town fan couldn't have drawn (pun intended) more attention to our plight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, May 9, 2017, 14:18:06
Well he manages to get us in most weeks and this one does have Kilcline, Terry Gibson and Jamie Cureton mentioned. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 19:03:41
The PL response to Andy Holt is pathetic
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39857490


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 19:06:13
yup, cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 19:22:29
Well said Mr. Holt for standing up to the bully boys. Pity a few more don't have the balls to do so. Although I noticed that Darragh MacAnthony (Peterborough owner) backed him up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 20:30:38
I am actually quite surprised we (used to) receive as much as £650k from the prem. thought it was a lot less.

If collectively the whole football league demanded more with direct action something could be achieved. We don't have a right to premier league money, they receive it for their product, however in order to preserve a competitive pyramid something has to change otherwise not only will the chance of a league 1 club achieve promotion be slim but will become almost non existent (even championship clubs bar a select few)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 11, 2017, 12:38:38
I am actually quite surprised we (used to) receive as much as £650k from the prem. thought it was a lot less.

If collectively the whole football league demanded more with direct action something could be achieved. We don't have a right to premier league money, they receive it for their product, however in order to preserve a competitive pyramid something has to change otherwise not only will the chance of a league 1 club achieve promotion be slim but will become almost non existent (even championship clubs bar a select few)


There is not enough chairman with balls to stand up to the PL


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, May 11, 2017, 13:30:43
however in order to preserve a competitive pyramid something has to change otherwise not only will the chance of a league 1 club achieve promotion be slim but will become almost non existent (even championship clubs bar a select few)


What makes you think anyone in the premier league gives a fuck?

The PL is pathetic on this subject but so is the FA and the EFL. The FA don't really care as their desire to improve, and milk financially, a successful England team means they are complicit in allowing the top clubs to scoop all the best young talent and to make it cost prohibitive for the lower leagues to attempt to develop talent in the same manner. The EFL doesn't have the power to do anything about and are more than willing to bend over and take it, as seen in this years EFL cup.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 12, 2017, 10:12:14
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39895497

Groan...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 12, 2017, 10:13:42
Basically bribed teams by just upping the prize money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 12, 2017, 10:18:37
Basically bribed teams by just upping the prize money

I'm sure Power will have voted against on moral grounds and not been swayed by a few bob more.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Friday, May 12, 2017, 15:26:55

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39897361

David Moyes surprised by Jermaine Defoe relegation clause, whereas everyone else just surprised that Moyes hasn't been sacked yet


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, May 12, 2017, 17:23:50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39897361

David Moyes surprised by Jermaine Defoe relegation clause, whereas everyone else just surprised that Moyes hasn't been sacked yet

I'm not. I think it's admirable they've kept him on. I don't believe he's a bad manager, but Sunderland are a mess of a club and have been on borrowed time for every second they've spent in the PL since Peter monkey head left.


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, May 12, 2017, 18:46:13
Jermaine Beckford to Bury. The debts must be mounting at an alarming rate. Beckford and Vaughan is some strike force for that league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 12, 2017, 18:58:44
The Preston fans may disagree about Beckford .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, May 12, 2017, 21:25:41
I would be very nervous if I supported Bury.  The club, somehow, owns the ground.  They are racking up annual losses of 2.5m and are seeking a new ground - without insider knowledge, I'd suggest it has whiff of someone trying to tart up the club with a view to the ground development cash - some debts have been converted to equity, no doubt diluting the shareholding, and new loans have appeared attracting 125k in interest a year (went from 17k in the year ending 2015).


Title: Re:
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2017, 17:53:59
The second paragraph of this sums up what a farce the FL and fit and proper person tests are.....

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39962342

Sent from my Hudl 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 18, 2017, 20:32:14
Darren Deadman


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, May 18, 2017, 20:35:57
Darren Deadman

Danny Hylton didn't exactly help did he?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 18, 2017, 20:45:50
Danny Hylton didn't exactly help did he?
It's every game with him though, I dread it when he's doing our games!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, May 20, 2017, 11:25:53
Not sure if it's a wrong thing. I've always thought the side going first has a distinct advantage, which apparently stats prove.

I'm sure either way will make fuck all difference to England or when it counts STFC.

Re: ABBA pens thing.

Watched England u17 lose the UEFA final to Spain last night.  A classic of its kind.... 2-1 up into the 6th minute of 4 added on minutes, the extra being added on for England manager making substitutions as a time wasting measure, concede from a corner with last touch of game.
 
So, England first 1 -0 .... Spain get 2, 1-2.... this seemed to put too much pressure on our next 2 who both missed, leaving Spain to score the next 2 and win 4-1.

It definitely seemed as though England's advantage in going first was completely lost, when Spain scored their first 2....but ultimately it boiled down to technique, if you can't hit the target, you don't win.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 17:14:27
John Terry: ‘I could not care less about the criticism of my Chelsea farewell’

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/24/john-terry-i-could-not-care-less-about-criticism-chelsea-farewell-last-premier-league-game

Pure wanker, no humility.

“If that’s the way I want to go out, that’s the way I go out because I’ve been here 22 years, I’ve won so many trophies....I wanted to play 26 minutes because the shirt number means a lot to me..."

Yeah but you could have just done the sub instead of having another little parade.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 17:21:18
John Terry: ‘I could not care less about the criticism of my Chelsea farewell’

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/24/john-terry-i-could-not-care-less-about-criticism-chelsea-farewell-last-premier-league-game

Pure wanker, no humility.

“If that’s the way I want to go out, that’s the way I go out because I’ve been here 22 years, I’ve won so many trophies....I wanted to play 26 minutes because the shirt number means a lot to me..."

Yeah but you could have just done the sub instead of having another little parade.

I, I, I. Me, me, me. What an odious dick he is at times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 18:24:38
I, I, I. Me, me, me. What an odious dick he is at times.
Until he becomes the next Town manager and gets us promoted at the first time of asking.

The flip side of that is the "I won't come back until DeCanio goes", supporters who continue to stay away. You know, the ones that never came back after he left and would use JT as an excuse to still stay away, if he came.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 20:22:43
The flip side of that is the "I won't come back until DeCanio goes", supporters who continue to stay away. You know, the ones that never came back after he left
Show me some


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 21:54:07
The few-very few who didn't want to enjoy a season of successful football which had enjoyment,thrills,passion,atmosphere,pride and a very rare cup run.
Those were the days. :pint:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 09:44:55
Show me some

Or even one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 11:52:46
Mex?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 11:56:30
Some of the shirts at the EL final last night.
2 that stood out were one guy already wearing Griezmann on the back of a united shirt and the other was 69 Pogbahimovic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 14:54:18
Show me some

Why?, You going to bitch slap them or something?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 14:58:05
Why?, You going to bitch slap them or something?
No, I'm suggesting there are none. Sorry if that was a bit subtle for you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 15:31:17
I kinda wanna see Paul bitch slap someone to be honest.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 17:30:07
No, I'm suggesting there are none. Sorry if that was a bit subtle for you

You may be right. They'd use any excuse not to go. Subtle?, Oh was that what is was? Sarcasm is of course the lowest form of wit. However, you can imagine the gnashing of teeth and indignation if Terry was appointed as the new manager along with the I'm not going again until he's gone comments from some quarters.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 17:45:14
Why is it a sign of weakness to want to be able to like your own club's manager? And why is there some assumption that being a bellend makes you a good manager, just because a few good managers have been bellends?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, May 25, 2017, 17:49:35
You may be right. They'd use any excuse not to go. Subtle?, Oh was that what is was? Sarcasm is of course the lowest form of wit. However, you can imagine the gnashing of teeth and indignation if Terry was appointed as the new manager along with the I'm not going again until he's gone comments from some quarters.

Some people refused to go until PDC left. They're back now.
I'd refuse to go if Terry was appointed. I'd go back when he left.

It's not complicated, you've obviously never met these people and just formed an idea in your head that looks like Albert Brind or whatever his name was.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 26, 2017, 07:46:15
You may be right. They'd use any excuse not to go.
They would indeed. These hypothetical non-existent people you've made up to back up your own prejudices


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Friday, May 26, 2017, 08:01:45
There is some truth in certain sections of our support using any excuse as a reason not to attends games, you only have to glance on the Facebook page to see that. I know some people stop going based on genuine moral feelings they have, but there's others who find it easier to say they're not going because of our manager, or owner, or particular player, than the real reason. Which is they've found something else they'd rather do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 26, 2017, 09:47:58
I kinda wanna see Paul bitch slap someone to be honest.....
You come over here and say that ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 3, 2017, 20:29:14
Sergio Ramos. What an absolute bellend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 3, 2017, 20:56:06
Sergio Ramos. What an absolute bellend.
It's a shame Real seem to have the Spanish FA in their pocket. He tried to break Messi's legs a couple of months ago and got a straight red for it yet somehow only got a one game ban. Seems that unlike here where there is a defined punishment for offences they just make it up based on the club over there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, June 3, 2017, 21:00:36
Although excitingly it seems I have acquired the mystical power to influence sporting events via bad cooking. I normally (well, often) make a complete horlicks of a paella-alike dish for dinner on a Saturday. Tonight, on a whim, I decided to make pasta instead. And the rest is history - explain that away, sceptics! #losersDinner

I will, of course, be eating some form of horrific imitation of sauerkraut/bratwurst throughout June/early July next summer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: garethgillman on Saturday, June 3, 2017, 21:07:38
Sergio Ramos. What an absolute bellend.

Yep, made a meal out of it, rolling around looking for the linesman / ref and then gets back on his feet as soon as the card was shown, actions like that piss me off so much, how about just play the game than trying to feign injuries to get the opposition sent off, unfortunately the players are taught this by the clubs coaches as a tactic to win games rather than win based on the skill.

I have stopped watching a lot of the top flight games because of it but it's creeping into the lower league game now as well, football is supposed to be a mans game not a bunch of girls rolling on the grass.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 11:42:27
England under 20's having 4 double barreled named players in the starting eleven.

Football has changed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 11:57:08
England under 20's having 4 double barreled named players in the starting eleven.

Football has changed.

Society has changed.

As I mentioned a while back, when Toby Roland-Jones was called up for a Test, but didn't play.... surprisingly the last double barrelled man to play cricket for England was Norman (Mandy) Mitchell-Innes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 12:00:37
I refer you again to this to highlight the problem with football:

http://www.bedrock.org.uk/socialise/viewtopic.php?id=11562 (http://www.bedrock.org.uk/socialise/viewtopic.php?id=11562)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 12:04:02
England under 20's having 4 double barreled named players in the starting eleven.

Football has changed.

How on earth does this impact football negatively? I work with loads of working class people (if that's what you're getting at) with double-barrelled names.

Victor Moses, Frank Lampard, Joe Bryan, Alex Pearce, Will Hughes, Duncan Watmore, Patrick Bamford, Fraser Forster - privately educated, no db names.

I'll give you Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain though.

92 teams over four divisions, not everyone is going to come from the Estate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 12:13:52
How on earth does this impact football negatively? I work with loads of working class people (if that's what you're getting at) with double-barrelled names.

Victor Moses, Frank Lampard, Joe Bryan, Alex Pearce, Will Hughes, Duncan Watmore, Patrick Bamford, Fraser Forster - privately educated, no db names.

I'll give you Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain though.

92 teams over four divisions, not everyone is going to come from the Estate.

Fucking hell calm down comrade, it was an entirely tongue in cheek remark, although possibly illustrates the peculiar trend in modern society at the moment to give kids DB names.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 13:13:36
I don't think it's peculiar, it's just a sign that fewer people are taking married names.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 13:22:23
And more kids are keeping the names of both their divorced parents.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 13:24:53
Quite. I have friends with kids that have double barrelled names. All either divorced or unmarried and not a single one sports a horsey-jaw.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 13:34:47
As others have said, if I had to take a guess I'd say the DB names are more to do with them being born out of wedlock /not in a stable relationship than being posh!

Although, I have always wondered. With more DB surnames around - what happens if/when two people with DB surnames want to get married but both want to keep their last name?
Is there a limit to how long a surname can be?

Also, seems a growing trend (and my sample data is people I know on FB so nothing serious) people getting married and both keeping their name and taking their partners name - why, I don't know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 13:43:02
I know a few people who have merged their last names together to create a new one. When I say a few, I mean two couples... But still, I found that a bit odd but it seems to work for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 14:14:43
Surnames are weird thing. I'm getting married this summer and couldn't give less of a toss about keeping my surname, but really don't want to double barrel because we both have reasonably long names and it would look stupid. My fianceé quite wants to keep hers but wasn't that fussed until my dad and grandmother came wading in with some stupid shit about keeping the family name and everyone apparently really cares other than me.

Still not double barreling though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 14:30:19
I'm more perplexed by the increasing popularity of double-barrelled forenames


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 17:57:40
Surnames are weird thing. I'm getting married this summer and couldn't give less of a toss about keeping my surname, but really don't want to double barrel because we both have reasonably long names and it would look stupid. My fianceé quite wants to keep hers but wasn't that fussed until my dad and grandmother came wading in with some stupid shit about keeping the family name and everyone apparently really cares other than me.

Still not double barreling though.
Clearly you, your future missus and any progeny you may have should all take the double barrelled name "Shit-Bacon".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 18:00:57
Clearly you, your future missus and any progeny you may have should all take the double barrelled name "Shit-Bacon".
:clap:



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, June 8, 2017, 21:20:27
I'm more perplexed by the increasing popularity of double-barrelled forenames
As the saying goes 'two-dads'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, June 11, 2017, 15:10:03
 Going back to the original point about names... well done to the England U 20's for winning their WC.

 Here's the problem though, will many of them get a chance to develop into full internationals?  The standard on display yesterday at Hampden was woeful... ok they can use the excuse of it coming at a funny time... when several have already been on hols, but it was very similar to Iceland game last summer, players unable to pass, control a ball, kick a corner etc.

 Had it been v any half decent side England would have deservedly lost.

There needs to be some sort of structure in place to help these lads to develop... as they'll not get much game time at Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Man Ure etc and it's not te Checkatrade trophy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Sunday, June 11, 2017, 21:29:26
Going back to the original point about names... well done to the England U 20's for winning their WC.

 Here's the problem though, will many of them get a chance to develop into full internationals?  The standard on display yesterday at Hampden was woeful... ok they can use the excuse of it coming at a funny time... when several have already been on hols, but it was very similar to Iceland game last summer, players unable to pass, control a ball, kick a corner etc.

 Had it been v any half decent side England would have deservedly lost.

There needs to be some sort of structure in place to help these lads to develop... as they'll not get much game time at Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Man Ure etc and it's not te Checkatrade trophy

There needs to be a better structure because we all know what will happen to them most of then next season - they'll be out on loan, some to L2, some in L1 a few in the Championships. Top prospects might get a lower Premier League club and some will go abroad to all sorts of random teams.

The real thing that needs to change is the big clubs ability to stock pile so many youth players.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, June 12, 2017, 09:25:24
Going back to the subject of names, Leeds have a kid called Ronaldo Viera on their books


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 12, 2017, 12:54:06
The real thing that needs to change is the big clubs ability to stock pile so many youth players.
Absolutely this. And some kind of wage cap for youth players. There are kids going through Premiership academies who are "earning" enough to retire before the age of 20 without ever getting near the 1st team, purely because if club X doesn't pay it, club Y will, even for average players (within a context, obviously)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, June 12, 2017, 20:03:04
Absolutely this. And some kind of wage cap for youth players. There are kids going through Premiership academies who are "earning" enough to retire before the age of 20 without ever getting near the 1st team, purely because if club X doesn't pay it, club Y will, even for average players (within a context, obviously)
As proved by the Chelsea youngsters at Swindon last season,  rumoured to be on 19k a week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 12, 2017, 20:58:15
rumoured to be on 19k a week.

Fuck off!!

(I don't mean you/the rumour - just not heard it before and to be frank a barely L1 standard player on that is ...games gone!).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, June 12, 2017, 21:09:25
I heard that feruz was on 19k. Not sure about the other 2.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 12, 2017, 21:14:20
feruz, fucking feruz. jesus.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, June 12, 2017, 21:58:23
League Cup draw... in Thailand. 'Nuff said.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40249237

Edit:

Shit the BBC is full of things for this thread today.

Thanking league clubs for the checkatrade trophy in the same breath as talking about the U20 victory.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40252921

The FA claiming their philosophy is somehow responsible for the U20 victory. As if.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40226926



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 12, 2017, 22:20:42

The FA claiming their philosophy is somehow responsible for the U20 victory. As if.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40226926
Agree with most of the rest of what you said, and am usually more than happy to join in having a pop at the FA, but I think here they can and should take some credit. They're trying to introduce a coherent philosophy of how they want England teams to play across the age groups, and not just at the elite level but pushing down into grassroots as well (less convicingly tbh but they are pushing it). And if this is just a one-off then yep, sneer away. But hopefully it's the start of a more coherent England development pathway that is just a pale shadow of what Germany and Spain have had for years but probably the best we can hope for while the PL clubs hold so much sway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 05:20:00
Absolutely this. And some kind of wage cap for youth players. There are kids going through Premiership academies who are "earning" enough to retire before the age of 20 without ever getting near the 1st team, purely because if club X doesn't pay it, club Y will, even for average players (within a context, obviously)

It will never, ever happen...but...football would be better for taking a leaf out of the NFLs book.
Scrap all the club specific youth teams and have all football linked with sports colleges. When they've done 2 years at college (and have some qualifications to fall back on) then they are eligible to be drafted - team who finished lowest in the pyramid (so National League Play Off winners) go first and can select any 18 year old out of any college they want then the National League winners, 22nd in D3, 21st in D3

Automatically the player is given a 4 year contract with a capped wage and cant be transferred until they are at least 2 years into that contract.

However, clubs can trade their picks.

So, lets say hypothetically there is an 18 year old at college setting the world a light. He's the English Messi and has the brightest future going. Then come the draft FGR (as NL play off winners) have first draft pick.

They can select the 18 year old wonder kid, knowing they will have him for a minimum of 2 years and then can sell him - which if he lives up to the hype will net FGRs a decent amount of money.

Of they can trade their #1 so lets say Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United all want this English Messi, they can approach FGR. Chelsea could for example say we'll trade you our #92 draft pick and £15m for your #1 draft pick. So FGR can then decide rather than the English Messi, they'd rather take £15m now - which they can invest in infrastructure or use to improve their team by buying 7 or 8 new players, they can use to it have a higher wage budget and then be able to attract better players than they could previously.

Obviously never going to happen but would be better imo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 11:58:49
It will never, ever happen...but...football would be better for taking a leaf out of the NFLs book.
Scrap all the club specific youth teams and have all football linked with sports colleges. When they've done 2 years at college (and have some qualifications to fall back on) then they are eligible to be drafted - team who finished lowest in the pyramid (so National League Play Off winners) go first and can select any 18 year old out of any college they want then the National League winners, 22nd in D3, 21st in D3

Automatically the player is given a 4 year contract with a capped wage and cant be transferred until they are at least 2 years into that contract.

However, clubs can trade their picks.

So, lets say hypothetically there is an 18 year old at college setting the world a light. He's the English Messi and has the brightest future going. Then come the draft FGR (as NL play off winners) have first draft pick.

They can select the 18 year old wonder kid, knowing they will have him for a minimum of 2 years and then can sell him - which if he lives up to the hype will net FGRs a decent amount of money.

Of they can trade their #1 so lets say Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United all want this English Messi, they can approach FGR. Chelsea could for example say we'll trade you our #92 draft pick and £15m for your #1 draft pick. So FGR can then decide rather than the English Messi, they'd rather take £15m now - which they can invest in infrastructure or use to improve their team by buying 7 or 8 new players, they can use to it have a higher wage budget and then be able to attract better players than they could previously.

Obviously never going to happen but would be better imo
Thank you for explaining that. I wondered how the draft system worked, thanks again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 15:06:44
£30m for Jordan Pickford; simply crazy money being thrown around in football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 16:23:24

Thanking league clubs for the checkatrade trophy in the same breath as talking about the U20 victory.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40252921


Saw that too - utter bullshit. Anyone know how many of the England U20's played in the Checkatrade? The Prem clubs have only been in it for a season, so hardly likely to have contributed at all/much to the World Cup win for the youngers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 15, 2017, 14:07:00
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40283286

Perhaps this is the bit of needle we were lacking in our team last season?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 12:21:14
John Terry subject of a £100,000 pw bid from Birmingham, a Championship team that missed relegation by 2 points on the final day of last season...madness.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 14:46:28
It wasn't so long ago that they couldn't afford to pay us a fee for Caddis. Harry taking them down the Pompey route....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 15:10:02
It wasn't so long ago that they couldn't afford to pay us a fee for Caddis. Harry taking them down the Pompey route....

To be fair they did bring in Zola as boss before that (don't suppose he was cheap)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: garethgillman on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 15:12:18
John Terry subject of a £100,000 pw bid from Birmingham, a Championship team that missed relegation by 2 points on the final day of last season...madness.

They got bought out last season though didn't they so there owners are willing to splash the cash to get to the premier league (like majority of champs teams).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 17:58:28
Some discussions apparently about reducing each half to 30 minutes, but stopping the clock when the ball isn't in play. Also looking at not allowing rebounds after penalties.

Change for changes sake?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 18:59:47
never going to happen (30 min half)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, June 17, 2017, 23:45:30
never going to happen (30 min half)
It's actually being proposed by the people in charge of the rules so there must be an outside chance. Would be me done with football if it happened though as is such a fundamental change in the game that has existed for over a century. Doesn't appeal to me as would almost be a different game and in the top flight you can almost guarantee they'd use the stoppages to insert ad breaks into games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 13:28:27
Jermaine Defoe getting a 3 year contract at the age of 34.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 13:31:01
Jermaine Defoe getting a 3 year contract at the age of 34.
And thats 3 years at £70k a week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 13:36:06
And thats 3 years at £70k a week.

Less than a weeks work to pay the annual wage of the personal assistant @ £60k pa.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 14:16:05
Less than a weeks work to pay the annual wage of the personal assistant @ £60k pa.
Or he earns in 1 week - 3 times the average yearly salary of a nurse or double that of a police officer in the year.

I know its been said over and over but that is fucking obscene.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 14:33:52
He scored his first Bournemouth goal in front of a huge crowd of 3,936 - now that is what I call a fairytale story


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 14:45:18
Or he earns in 1 week - 3 times the average yearly salary of a nurse or double that of a police officer in the year.

I know its been said over and over but that is fucking obscene.

Obscene and irrelevant. Like comparing apples and moondust, or any other two things that are completely different and unrelated in every way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 14:52:42
Like comparing apples and moondust, or any other two things that are completely different and unrelated in every way.

That said, I did have a rather nice moondust crumble with custard the other day


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 15:27:02
An interesting read about a topic that I'm sure affects many in the game, behind closed doors:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/29/steven-caulker-mental-illness-addictions-gambling-drinking-qpr


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 15:42:20
An interesting read about a topic that I'm sure affects many in the game, behind closed doors:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/29/steven-caulker-mental-illness-addictions-gambling-drinking-qpr

Shame Power has ditched the model.... QPR, slightly off the rails, would have been a good match for us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 15:44:30
Shame Power has ditched the model.... QPR, slightly off the rails, would have been a good match for us.
Might not have been the best move for him though - a player looking to rebuild his self-esteem, "Here you go, drop down to Div 4, your career's on the skids"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 29, 2017, 15:53:54
Might not have been the best move for him though - a player looking to rebuild his self-esteem, "Here you go, drop down to Div 4, your career's on the skids"

No casinos in Swindon mind. Had Rikki got his way, one in the CG could have been a particular lure for the likes of Caulker


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 30, 2017, 12:05:08
Bournemouth spending £20m on a player


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, June 30, 2017, 13:16:34
Fairytale


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, June 30, 2017, 17:07:20
Bournemouth spending £20m on a player

Yeah,especially as I put a pound in their begging bucket a few seasons ago at the cg


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, July 1, 2017, 02:22:05
Fabio Borini's career... how is he managing to get signed by the clubs he has?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, July 1, 2017, 09:05:07
Fabio Borini's career... how is he managing to get signed by the clubs he has?!

Probably got a good agent....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 6, 2017, 11:43:31
Rangers. Again

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/jul/05/rangers-europa-league-supreme-court-ruling


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 10:21:10
Not exactly football but football related.

Utter scum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-40633250


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 10:58:49
Not exactly football but football related.

Utter scum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-40633250
That's been on the local news up here for months, I forgot the sentencing was yesterday. The fact that the stiffest sentence any of them got was 5 years, which they won't serve is an utter abomination.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 11:05:32
That's been on the local news up here for months, I forgot the sentencing was yesterday. The fact that the stiffest sentence any of them got was 5 years, which they won't serve is an utter abomination.
Its unbelievably lenient IMO.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 11:09:04
That's been on the local news up here for months, I forgot the sentencing was yesterday. The fact that the stiffest sentence any of them got was 5 years, which they won't serve is an utter abomination.
They were charged with violent disorder, 5 years is the maximum sentence. If they'd additionally been charged with GBH (i.e. for the harm they did as well as the public order aspect), I'd imagine the sentences would have been much stiffer. Guessing here, but I assume either the coppers or the CPS bottled the GBH charge as for that they'd have had to prove exactly who did what, whereas violent disorder they need only prove that the defendants participated in the general violence.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 11:11:34
I suppose it is because they were convicted of 'violent disorder' which was the most serious offence they could pin on them because of the nature of what happened i.e it was unclear exactly who did what and when etc. It still stinks though. That poor bloke and his family have had their lives ruined and I would imagine those scum bags will be out in 3 years or thereabouts, maybe less.

Edit: You beat me to it Paul - ain't justice is it?...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 11:38:20
No, not at all. There was clearly evidence that some of the group were main movers though, hence the difference in sentencing. I'm surprised they didn't try charging them with GBH, or some variant of conspiracy to commit, joint enterprise/common purpose etc. But clearly I only know what has been reported, there may be very good reasons the coppers/CPS didn't think that would fly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 12:07:05
I seem to remember a couple of incidents ( Sunderland Wembley tube train and Gillingham away involving their main pub ) involving town fans where they either got away with it or got off light which seemed to revolve around the police being able to place the fans at the scene, knowing what was done, but not who did what.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 12:19:47
That's been on the local news up here for months, I forgot the sentencing was yesterday. The fact that the stiffest sentence any of them got was 5 years, which they won't serve is an utter abomination.

There was a video of the wife being interviewed by the local news and her being verbally abused by (presumably) the families of these hideous creatures. I'll see if I can find it. EDIT - here is it

http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/154...f_convicted_men_outside_Basildon_Crown_Court/

People should NOT have to go to watch their football team and end up in a wheelchair.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, July 21, 2017, 08:01:10
Couple of things I noticed some time back and wanted to post about in this thread.

Have a bit of time just now so thought I would.

The first is really about Adnan Januzaj and how he scored 2 goals and was suddenly an amazing footballer and somehow even touted for England. The hype was massive and now he's nowhere.


http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24416142
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24419288
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40578666

The second was the BBC having a massive hard-on for Lukaku to Man U where it seemed every second article was either about the pending move or the move itself. I thought the BBC were supposed to be unbiased?

I don't even think I've got them all.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40550934
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40547192
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40516483
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40541648
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40563181
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40520856
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40520845
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40553319
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40545516
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p057yxj1
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40640555
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40564280


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 21, 2017, 09:10:49

The second was the BBC having a massive hard-on for Lukaku to Man U where it seemed every second article was either about the pending move or the move itself. I thought the BBC were supposed to be unbiased?

Think that's more politics. Be interesting to see what happened if Lukaku ran for PM


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, July 21, 2017, 09:17:15
Couple of things I noticed some time back and wanted to post about in this thread.

Have a bit of time just now so thought I would.

The first is really about Adnan Januzaj and how he scored 2 goals and was suddenly an amazing footballer and somehow even touted for England. The hype was massive and now he's nowhere.


http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24416142
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24419288
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40578666

The second was the BBC having a massive hard-on for Lukaku to Man U where it seemed every second article was either about the pending move or the move itself. I thought the BBC were supposed to be unbiased?

I don't even think I've got them all.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40550934
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40547192
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40516483
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40541648
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40563181
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40520856
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40520845
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40553319
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40545516
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p057yxj1
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40640555
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40564280


It was a british transfer record with the biggest club in the country there would be reporting of this level on any that size i would think. remember the Torres transfer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, July 21, 2017, 09:22:25
There's an interesting comparison in language and coverage when discussing huge transfers across Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and Man City. Basically, Utd and Liverpool in particular get lauded for flexing their financial muscles - 'they get their man, statement of intent etc', while City get derided with 'game's gone' rhetoric.

Interesting to see what happens with Liverpool and Keita. £70m for a guy with one season in a top level European league, and all the coverage is positive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 21, 2017, 10:03:35
 On the subject of the BBC and football, I see Shearer trousers about £450K annually, for his terrible punditry on MotD, that's our money right there. At least Lineker is competent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, July 21, 2017, 12:17:44
The Sanchez/Arsenal saga is interesting.
Sanchez has 1 year left on his contract, wants to leave and Wenger could easily get 50M for him.
Rather than sell, Wenger is willing to take the risk on him leaving on a free at the end of next season because the club believe they will loose more than 50M without him over the next season, be it on shirt sales, cup, league progression, revenue etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, July 21, 2017, 12:17:55
Totally agree with reg.Shearer has a degree in the blatantly obvious.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 21, 2017, 12:27:05
Totally agree with reg.Shearer has a degree in the blatantly obvious.

Shearer: "Well Sanchez had a shot, if it went in it would have been a goal"

Shearer: "That keeper made a save and without that save it would have been a goal"

Yep I concur.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 21, 2017, 12:27:56
And the charisma of John Major.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, July 21, 2017, 13:29:17
Shearer: "Well Sanchez had a shot, if it went in it would have been a goal"

Shearer: "That keeper made a save and without that save it would have been a goal"

Yep I concur.
Are you mistaking him for michael owen?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 21, 2017, 14:11:55
Are you mistaking him for michael owen?
Dullness and barely lucid monotones do seem to proliferate football tv punditry in the main.

The list of dullards is endless, but then few ex footballers have the intelligence to string a mildy coherent sentence together it would seem.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 24, 2017, 16:26:01
The Premier League ...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/23/premier-league-at-25-sky-tv-deal-club-owners-fans-betrayed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 15:56:39
Not saying women shouldn't have a role - but this is god awful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40716824


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 15:59:55
Not saying women shouldn't have a role - but this is god awful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40716824

This has nothing to do with her being a woman, and everything to do with her being a knobhead.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 16:05:54
After only one good season. Disgusting & obscene amount of money

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/25/real-madrid-kylian-mbappe-monaco-world-record


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 16:11:20
On the subject of the BBC and football, I see Shearer trousers about £450K annually, for his terrible punditry on MotD, that's our money right there. At least Lineker is competent.

Added to that a huge high opinion of himself.

He just needs to watch the Toon going down with a whimper again and again on catch up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, July 25, 2017, 20:24:13
Added to that a huge high opinion of himself.


Well, he is/was Englands best striker since god knows when so it's not totally unjustified


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 09:35:20
This has nothing to do with her being a woman, and everything to do with her being a knobhead.
Completely this. And while there may be a case to argue as to whether women may be underrepresented in the governance structures in football, there's already more than enough knobheads.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 09:42:46
Mourinho whinging about transfer fees.  Ive always hated the hypocrisy that managers like him and ferguson always had.  This is just another example of it.  My spending is allright.  Its everyone else who's being ridiculous says the man who broke the transfer record last year and continues to not exactly be shy of a big fee.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 09:46:01
Mourinho whinging about transfer fees.  Ive always hated the hypocrisy that managers like him and ferguson always had.  This is just another example of it.  My spending is allright.  Its everyone else who's being ridiculous says the man who broke the transfer record last year and continues to not exactly be shy of a big fee.
Yeah coming from a man that spent £90m on Pogba last season :D hypocrisy at its finest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 09:48:04
Mourinho whinging about transfer fees.  Ive always hated the hypocrisy that managers like him and ferguson always had.  This is just another example of it.  My spending is allright.  Its everyone else who's being ridiculous says the man who broke the transfer record last year and continues to not exactly be shy of a big fee.

TBF, I think what he is saying is that it's OK to shell out on a proper star player, but wrong to be spending 50 mill on a Kyle Walker.

I guess he means better to spend 161 mill, as Real are apparently doing on the kid from Monaco.. rather than 3 and a bit Kyle Walkers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 10:07:26
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40714975

How many chances will this guy get?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 10:17:45
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40714975

How many chances will this guy get?

Pretty good timing... the Div 3 season ended in April, restarts 3 and a bit months later by which time Nile will have served the 4 months of his 8 month sentence.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 10:47:46
Guess the carrot of him cleaning himself up and thus getting a championship player on the cheap until the nobend inevitably does his next stupid thing is too great for some.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 10:57:53
Mourinho whinging about transfer fees.  Ive always hated the hypocrisy that managers like him and ferguson always had.  This is just another example of it.  My spending is allright.  Its everyone else who's being ridiculous says the man who broke the transfer record last year and continues to not exactly be shy of a big fee.

Its exactly the same with Gary Neville wittering on about young players and the fact that apparently young players at United have more chance than City, yeah 'cos Mourinho is renown for bringing young players through ain't he.

Tossers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 11:00:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40714975

How many chances will this guy get?

I liked this quote...

"The best we will get out of Nile is probably a week's work and that won't be enough for him to be fit for the [start of the] season."

I am not sure whether he means he will only get a weeks work out of Ranger in pre-season or over the entire season when he will undoubtedly fuck it up again!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 11:06:43
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/25/players-grassroots-levels-will-receive-five-year-bans-assault/

Firstly its disgusting that this is needed at all, and why only grassroots?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, July 26, 2017, 22:15:19
Someone like Nile could well come out of prison fitter than before he went in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 27, 2017, 08:43:08
Someone like Nile could well come out of prison fitter than before he went in.
Or with more of a drug problem if the latest surveys are anything to go by.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/05/drugs-epidemic-prisons-violence


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 27, 2017, 09:33:46
Someone like Nile could well come out of prison fitter than before he went in.

To be honest he has never really attracted me, but each to their own.  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, July 27, 2017, 16:28:05
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40714975

How many chances will this guy get?
Said it before but he went down for a historic event. He looked to had sorted himself out until this resurfaced


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 27, 2017, 17:22:15
Said it before but he went down for a historic event. He looked to had sorted himself out until this resurfaced

February 2015 is hardly historic?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, July 28, 2017, 11:13:39
To be honest he has never really attracted me, but each to their own.  ;)

So you say  ;) he'll get plenty of attraction in the showers anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, July 28, 2017, 12:42:03
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40753744

£30K a week wage bill!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, July 28, 2017, 13:32:20
Manager/Owner. Rich bloke having fun .... Till he gets bored and it all goes Rushdon and Diamonds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 10:48:30
Signing videos.

This is probably the worst one yet...

https://twitter.com/Besiktas/status/892854264762179584


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 11:14:09
Signing videos.

This is probably the worst one yet...

https://twitter.com/Besiktas/status/892854264762179584

Just, wow. For what it's worth, I thought the Knoyle shirt printing was actually a decent one. Plenty of cringeworthy stuff going around though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 11:48:52
Just, wow. For what it's worth, I thought the Knoyle shirt printing was actually a decent one. Plenty of cringeworthy stuff going around though.
For me the worst was Yeovils signings being announced via snapchat and Fifa career mode.

Yes that will appeal to the fans base of 13 and 14 year old kids.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/yeovil-town-use-fifa-17-career-mode-announce-their-latest-signing

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/viral-sports-news/2017/06/27/yeovil-town-used-snap-maps-to-announce-a-signing-and-it-went-down-very-well/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:06:10
Football should be dull and humourless and bland like it was when I was younger


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 12:08:27
Football should be dull and humourless and bland like it was when I was younger

Seems the PL agree https://www.premierleague.com/news/444377


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 13:03:09
Hmm.  Fairford Town v Longlevens (local interest), Dunkirk v Leicester Nirvana (topical) or even Barnoldswick Town v Jarrow Roofing (sounds really tinpot) might have been better picks.  But it's the BBC, so they were bound to go for Merseyside or Manchester:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40770123



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 3, 2017, 14:35:32
Hmm.  Fairford Town v Longlevens (local interest), Dunkirk v Leicester Nirvana (topical) or even Barnoldswick Town v Jarrow Roofing (sounds really tinpot) might have been better picks.  But it's the BBC, so they were bound to go for Merseyside or Manchester:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40770123



I like then idea.  They'll need to bolt theirr kit down, doing a Scouser derby.  Presumably a club asociated with the Nevilles, Giggs or Scholes will be up soon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 14, 2017, 14:18:33
A section of Rovers fans showing their ignorance again.

https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2017/august/statementracialabuse/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, August 14, 2017, 19:03:54
A section of Rovers fans showing their ignorance again.

https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2017/august/statementracialabuse/

"We pride ourselves on having some of the best supporters in the country, but sadly that reputation has been tarnished on the last two Saturday’s"

Wow, so many mistakes in that sentence..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 14, 2017, 19:30:53
Sad reflection on society, not just Rovers fans.

At least the club are outing it as an issue and seem to be trying to tackle it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 08:51:13
yes, appalling misuse of the apostrophe. no place for it in today's game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 09:14:14
"We pride ourselves on having some of the best supporters in the country, but sadly that reputation has been tarnished on the last two Saturday’s"

Wow, so many mistakes in that sentence..
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 09:06:09
What's the point of those 'bibs' players wear in training? They look like bras.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 09:11:56
What's the point of those 'bibs' players wear in training? They look like bras.
Aren't they the ones that hold the heart monitors so they have to be strapped close to the heart for most effective use?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 09:14:56
Aren't they the ones that hold the heart monitors so they have to be strapped close to the heart for most effective use?

Yep, HR monitor and GPS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 09:15:29
Aren't they the ones that hold the heart monitors so they have to be strapped close to the heart for most effective use?
Yep and track a lot more as well like distance run etc. Think they where them during games as well now, they certainly did in pre season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 11:38:00

http://www.the42.ie/china-u20-team-to-start-playing-in-german-league-3548482-Aug2017/

Bizarre. On that basis it's not too late to seek a Checkatrade Trophy wildcard invite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 11:48:01
http://www.the42.ie/china-u20-team-to-start-playing-in-german-league-3548482-Aug2017/

Bizarre. On that basis it's not too late to seek a Checkatrade Trophy wildcard invite.

Our masters at the FL missed a trick there.... just think of the away day fun you could have had WB


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 15:53:08
Our masters at the FL missed a trick there.... just think of the away day fun you could have had WB

 :)
The Mandarin is a bit rusty. At least they appear to like a good ale over there.
A reboot of an Anglo - <insert country> Cup competition would be good one day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 17, 2017, 16:03:10
A reboot of an Anglo - <insert country> Cup competition would be good one day.

Probably a better idea than the days when we would send a gunboat up the Yangtze, to encourage the Chinese to do a trade deal, whereby we take their tea in return for our opium.  Although I guess the likes of Fox, Johnson, Davis and Rees-Mogg, probably think that our shiny new aircraft carrier may be needed to a encourage a post Brexit trade deal. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Friday, August 18, 2017, 22:03:16
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40846848

Interesting short bit about homophobia and LGBT+ fans groups. I reported something at the CG once and they had a word with the man in question in a "once more and you're out" kind of way. I wonder how that would be different -/+ 10 years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 12:04:08
The Football League seem determined to flush the League Cup down the same toilet they've already sent the Football League Trophy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40998964



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 14:02:07
The Football League seem determined to flush the League Cup down the same toilet they've already sent the Football League Trophy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40998964

I was sure this article had comments. I'm guessing it descended into pissing contest or something because the comments have not just been closed, but removed?!

Am I right in that, or was it another article on this Chinese draw?

There were a lot of reasonable comments about how it's just another nail in the coffin of football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 14:43:30
I was sure this article had comments. I'm guessing it descended into pissing contest or something because the comments have not just been closed, but removed?!

Am I right in that, or was it another article on this Chinese draw?

There were a lot of reasonable comments about how it's just another nail in the coffin of football.
Don't think the BBC usually do comments do they? There's similar articles in the Times and Guardian today (and probably others) so may be one of those you're thinking of?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 16:31:41
Oh, they do, but not on every article.  It usually ends up in an argument about Brexit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 16:37:34
Oh, they do, but not on every article.  It usually ends up in an argument about Brexit.

Of course, we're going to have to get used to regular examples of the UK having to do unpalatable things post Brexit, as the likes of Fox and Davis, try and keep the economy afloat.

Not just the Tories mind, the Sweatie government has just handed a Trump a sizable tax rebate on one of his hotels at Turnberry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, August 22, 2017, 20:24:50
The League Cup Third Round draw is being done in China (4.15am UK Time)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 29, 2017, 19:15:27
Just been reading about the new set up at Wolves. Very dodgy. New Chinese owners with one of those super agents employed for recruitment.

Unsurprisingly, the huge fees/salaries paid to the majority of their new players are from the agent's own stable. If they don't get promoted this season they will massively fall foul of FFP.

What I don't understand is why clubs pay agents and not the player. Actors have agents and usually get 10% of their income for generating work for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 10:01:51
Jonny Evans 28 million


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 10:37:23
Jonny Evans 28 million
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain for £40m too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 31, 2017, 09:02:43
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/31/disneyfication-clubs-manchester-city-red-bull

No not the Disneyfication of football, but Power not getting on the list of multi-club owners. When he gets that Montenegran 4th tier club, then the world will wake up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 18, 2017, 17:41:28
I see Pochetino has been comparing Spurs to Wigan, attempting to show why it's a priority to focus on the league over the league cup.

It's no surprise I guess, well, other than seeming to thrown his club down the scales to match a relative lightweight, that we should see such comments these days.  But, given my penchant for data analysis, it has made we wonder whether someone could do a study - along the lines of how many top xx finishes in the Premier League equals a FA Cup win?  I think we need to determine the optimum numbers here, to understand what we see as equal over time.  Clearly he is suggesting you'd rather be in the Premier League than have won the Cup (I'd actually say I'd rather we won a Cup than reached the top league in my time - some fans have seen this).

Plenty of variations need to be accounted for - each club will have it's own relative value for each competition, fans of those clubs will have variation in their own expectations. and so on.  There must be an algorithm we can determine as a result?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 18, 2017, 18:06:59
I see Pochetino has been comparing Spurs to Wigan, attempting to show why it's a priority to focus on the league over the league cup.

It's no surprise I guess, well, other than seeming to thrown his club down the scales to match a relative lightweight, that we should see such comments these days.  But, given my penchant for data analysis, it has made we wonder whether someone could do a study - along the lines of how many top xx finishes in the Premier League equals a FA Cup win?  I think we need to determine the optimum numbers here, to understand what we alue as equal over time.  Clearly he is suggesting you'd rather be in the Premier League than have won the Cup (I'd actually say I'd rather we won a Cup than reached the top league in my time - some fans have seen this).

Plenty of variations need to be accounted for - each club will have it's own relative value for each competition, fans of those clubs will have variation in their own expectations. and so on.  There must be an algorithm we can determine as a result?

I think you might be talking to yourself here... meaning if you want an algorithm and data analysis such as this, you're probably going to have to do it yourself.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 18, 2017, 18:13:39
Arsenal are a good example - they got fed-up with not wining anything, but finishing 4th.  Then they won some cups, but would they trade that for finishing 4th, and did they really mean just the League Title?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 18, 2017, 18:27:49
Arsenal are a good example - they got fed-up with not wining anything, but finishing 4th.  Then they won some cups, but would they trade that for finishing 4th, and did they really mean just the League Title?

It was Wenger who started the trend of sticking his reserves into the LC games, but they often proved to be fairly handy players, the likes of Eduardo, Denilson and even Carlos Vela. may have even got to a final one year.

These were mostly young unknown types, whereas now the likes of Man City, reach finals because they've massive squads of experienced players.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 23:55:21
After the death of Ilkay Gundogan by knee injury last year and all the Man City players coming out in t-shirts to pay their respects, we now have Barca doing the same after Dembele suffered death by hamstring this weekend.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/barcelona-players-show-support-injured-11203904


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 07:20:06
Personally, I would like to see the pre-kick off squad at Forest Green sporting "Courage Dion" T shirts on TV.

Or should it be "Courage Vigs"?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 13:07:32
The worlds gone PC mad
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 13:13:43
Not many teams play in black do they though, maybe something more to this...........



......clearly kidding.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 13:32:03
Not many teams play in black do they though, maybe something more to this...........



......clearly kidding.


The closest thing that came to mind was the All Blacks,


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 14:07:25
I went to the St Pauli store yesterday and very nearly came back with their retro shirt

http://www.fcsp-shop.com/Collection/Your-Skull-and-crossbones/Skull-and-crossbones-Retrojersey::2914.html

But then realised Id look like a tourist pretending to be a pirate vicar.

It is black though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 14:20:54
I went in their club shop, I bought a t-shirt but wish I got the St Pauli branded toasted cheese sandwich maker instead.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 14:33:33
I was going to go for the ski mask but did feel it was just a tad hooligany.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 15:20:36
When I went into their club shop, it was a portacabin. I bought my t-shirt and left.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, September 21, 2017, 16:50:11
Oh its a nice shiny shop now.  Monetising rebellion very well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, September 22, 2017, 12:31:37
Just been reading about the UEFA Nations League. Hadn't heard anything about this before (sorry if I'm way behind the times). Basically aims to make all international football competitive, getting rid of friendlies in place of matches which actually determine your rank in draws for qualifying.

http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2079553.html

Can't decide if this is a good solution to the problems of international frendlies or a big vanity project that will fall flat.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 22, 2017, 13:22:42
Most qualification matches look like friendlies these days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, September 22, 2017, 15:10:54
Most qualification matches look like friendlies these days.

Definitely true of England matches. Can't say I've watched too many others, especially not games where teams are evenly matched.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, September 27, 2017, 16:27:47
Another one...

Didn't realise this, but Hull have scrapped all concession tickets for this season. Kids season tickets start at £252

http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/pricing-out-a-generation-concessions-fight-at-kcom-rumbles-on


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 27, 2017, 19:16:36
https://twitter.com/chesterfieldfc/status/913082917336813568


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 13:30:58
The current England squad. Woeful


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 14:33:59
The Energy Check County Ground


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 14:36:56
The current England squad. Woeful

Delph :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 15:25:38
Delph :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

You can't knock his form in King Catch recently - I am assuming that's what he has been doing to catch the eye.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 17:36:06
Delph :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

England atm have no creative midfielders... Delph has had a couple of games for Man City recently, so that's enough.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 18:14:14
England atm have no creative midfielders... Delph has had a couple of games for Man City recently, so that's enough.

Been playing left back


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, September 28, 2017, 18:22:32
Been playing left back

Gareth probably hasn't noticed.. we know from previous campaigns that the England manager has to pick players from certain clubs. Man City is one such club.

They're one of a group of 6 who are now looking to shaft the other 14, over international TV rights, their line being you can't sell Stoke v Burnley in the Far East, but you can a Manc derby so why should they profit?  It follows their players must be internationals, whether they're any good or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:28:07
Oldham have not paid their players again this month


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 6, 2017, 11:37:47
Academies, apparently:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/06/football-biggest-issue-boys-rejected-academies


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, October 6, 2017, 11:44:11
Academies, apparently:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/06/football-biggest-issue-boys-rejected-academies
I know this is a serious matter and this is in no way meant to be a joke but they could have picked a better word in this sentence.

"Despite the huge numbers housed in this system, currently 12,000 boys, the chinks of first-team opportunities have diminished every year since 1997."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 13, 2017, 11:00:37
Setting aside the political and human rights implications...

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2011292-thousands-sign-petition-liverpool-fcs-tibet-sponsorship-deal?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NorthWest_13th_Oct_2017_Lifestyle

Liverpool have an official regional water partner in China, Football has finally eaten itself....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, October 18, 2017, 15:59:18
Apparently, definitely not Martin Glenn. Nothing wrong with him at all, despite all the evidence.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 19, 2017, 12:23:55
This could go in the whats right thread, but found this one first and if Richarlinson is not charged then the is wrong as its just another case of the rules only actually being imposed on the lower leagues....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41680847


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:14:51
Although to be fair it shows commitment to the cause to not put your toddler down whilst lamping an opposition player....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41691580


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:01
Although to be fair it shows commitment to the cause to not put your toddler down whilst lamping an opposition player....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41691580

I thought the Scousers were remarkably restrained.... I suppose that passes as responsible parenting on Merseyside.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:18:58
It's remarkably "New Man" really - in the old days, he'd have hit the player with the kid.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 20, 2017, 10:23:19
It's remarkably "New Man" really - in the old days, he'd have hit the player with the kid.

Don't say that, come Saturday taking kids into grounds will be banned as they are offensive weapons, although to be honest the high pitched noise made by the kid heavy crowds at certain England games is often fairly offensive....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 20, 2017, 11:36:37
Don't say that, come Saturday taking kids into grounds will be banned as they are offensive weapons
My kids have both proven themselves eminently capable of being both offensive and utter fucking weapons at times, so that seems quite reasonable to me. Although in fairness on the same criteria, I'd merit a lifetime ban too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Friday, October 20, 2017, 11:44:02
My kids have both proven themselves eminently capable of being both offensive and utter fucking weapons at times, so that seems quite reasonable to me. Although in fairness on the same criteria, I'd merit a lifetime ban too.

The CG would be pretty empty if that applied.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 08:41:41
 See the FA have made more complete fools of themselves than usual.  Miller of Carlisle gets the new retrospective diving ban, whereas the City fella on Saturday doesn't.

Dyche described it quite accurately thus.... "If I kicked my kid in the garden, I don't think he would fall like that, for him to get that high off the floor with his arms above his head is almost a skill in itself. I was quite impressed with how far he travelled."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 09:32:06
Disagree there Reg (not about the theatrics, he made a meal of it). There was contact on Silva, whereas Miller just plain cheated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 09:40:15
Disagree there Reg (not about the theatrics, he made a meal of it). There was contact on Silva, whereas Miller just plain cheated.

I'm not saying that Miller didn't dive... but Silva did, therefore if the FA put this procedure in place they should apply it evenly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 10:52:17
I'm not saying that Miller didn't dive... but Silva did, therefore if the FA put this procedure in place they should apply it evenly.

Silva 100% did not dive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 11:15:47
Silva 100% did not dive.

Of course not... no player has dived in the Prem so far this season then. This should go over to what's right with football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 11:39:51
Of course not... no player has dived in the Prem so far this season then. This should go over to what's right with football.

That's some serious jump in logic there.

There was definite contact on Silva. Silva was caught. Doesn't mean it was a foul, but does mean it's not a dive. In my book (and the FA's), that's not a dive. Fabricating contact is a dive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 11:52:07
That's some serious jump in logic there.

There was definite contact on Silva. Silva was caught. Doesn't mean it was a foul, but does mean it's not a dive. In my book (and the FA's), that's not a dive. Fabricating contact is a dive.

These fellas are good, they seek a minimal contact and then enhance it with theatrics, even Tails admits that. In my book that is simulation. It would be interesting to know if they are actively receiving coaching....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 12:05:39
Shane Long is a prime culprit, must have banana skins on his boots


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 12:18:32
Shane Long is a prime culprit, must have banana skins on his boots

Fraud of a footballer, how he starts ahead of Austin is beyond me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 12:20:08
Shane Long is a prime culprit, must have banana skins on his boots
Would go alongside the question of how a guy that never scores has been a Premier Striker for so long!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 12:57:20
Would go alongside the question of how a guy that never scores has been a Premier Striker for so long!

There have been a few like that. Steven Fletcher probably made a decent living at the top level for not doing what he was paid to do.
I always wonder what players do in training, as some of the all round relative incompetence on display every week (as far as the basics of the game are concerned) in the EPL is staggering.
Aside from a handful of world class players, the league is made up of a core of PL journeymen who rattle around outside the top 6 or 7 clubs, amongst the survive at all costs also ran's that make up the rest of the league.

What's wrong with football? It's the players!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 14:55:51
Fraud of a footballer, how he starts ahead of Austin is beyond me

He chases the ball no matter what, like any good puppy must do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 15:10:31
That's some serious jump in logic there.

There was definite contact on Silva. Silva was caught. Doesn't mean it was a foul, but does mean it's not a dive. In my book (and the FA's), that's not a dive. Fabricating contact is a dive.

Not sure what the actual rules are, but for me it's a dive even when there's contact if said contact wouldn't have actually made you fall over. Of course, that's next to impossible to enforce.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 10:45:42
for me it's a dive even when there's contact if said contact wouldn't have actually made you fall over.
Completely agree. The whole point about a dive is that the player is deliberately exaggerating the extent of any (or no) contact to try and con the ref.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 10:46:32
Not sure what the actual rules are, but for me it's a dive even when there's contact if said contact wouldn't have actually made you fall over. Of course, that's next to impossible to enforce.

Agreed..."I felt contact and went down"= CHEAT


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 18:42:23
Agreed..."I felt contact and went down"= CHEAT

Whilst I agree, and I do, refs are to blame here, too. They rarely give penalties if the player stays on his feet. It encourages diving when there's contact.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 19:17:01
fair comment


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 19:28:07
I disagree - most of them shouldn't be free kicks or penalties.  The game is supposed to allow contact, the only time a foul occurs is when a player illegally impedes another.  I'm not so sure a tap really does impede most human beings.  Even having your arm across used to be ok.  Unless you have enough physical contact to foul a player then it should be play on.  That of course will depend on the speed a player is travelling etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 08:32:37
The high court has found that Owen and Karl Oyston paid out nearly £27m to companies they owned in unsecured loans, operating an "illegitimate stripping" of the club after they reached the Premier League.

They now have to pay £10m to investor Belokon (who they effectively froze out) within 28 days and a further £21m going forward. Looks like there may be a light at the end of the tunnel for Blackpool fans, especially if this forces the Oystons' hand and makes them sell up.

Amazingly, BBC Sport has no mention of this on their home page, although there is a BBC news article covering it. This is a beter summary though:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/06/oystons-blackpool-ordered-pay-shareholder-high-court-valeri-belokon


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 11:24:29
The high court has found that Owen and Karl Oyston paid out nearly £27m to companies they owned in unsecured loans, operating an "illegitimate stripping" of the club after they reached the Premier League.

They now have to pay £10m to investor Belokon (who they effectively froze out) within 28 days and a further £21m going forward. Looks like there may be a light at the end of the tunnel for Blackpool fans, especially if this forces the Oystons' hand and makes them sell up.

Amazingly, BBC Sport has no mention of this on their home page, although there is a BBC news article covering it. This is a beter summary though:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/06/oystons-blackpool-ordered-pay-shareholder-high-court-valeri-belokon

I guess good news for Blackpool fans, but it seems that the judgement concludes that stripping the funds from the club to the exclusion of Belokon was the misdemeanour, rather than to the exclusion of the fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 11:44:53
I guess good news for Blackpool fans, but it seems that the judgement concludes that stripping the funds from the club to the exclusion of Belokon was the misdemeanour, rather than to the exclusion of the fans.

As it was a judgment on the facts of the case, which related to the stripping of funds to the detriment of Belokon the court could reach no other finding.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 11:48:02
As it was a judgment on the facts of the case, which related to the stripping of funds to the detriment of Belokon the court could reach no other finding.

Indeed, but fans would see the wrong doing as stripping the money from the club, whereas it was in not giving the Latvian his share of the loot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 12:25:14
England deciding to schedule some friendlies against actually good teams in order to give the side a genuine test... and then almost the entire first team picking up mysterious two week injuries.

I for one look forward to Rickie Lambert and Peter Crouch getting England farewells against Germany.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 12:51:32
Indeed, but fans would see the wrong doing as stripping the money from the club, whereas it was in not giving the Latvian his share of the loot.
I think you're getting confused between the wrong doing and the court judgement. One is a question of morality, the other a question of law. Although it seems Blackpool fans are hopeful the judgement will force the Oystons to sell up and all will be well. I hope they're right, I suspect they're likely to be further disappointed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 13:03:58
I think you're getting confused between the wrong doing and the court judgement. One is a question of morality, the other a question of law. Although it seems Blackpool fans are hopeful the judgement will force the Oystons to sell up and all will be well. I hope they're right, I suspect they're likely to be further disappointed

Not confused, just felt the need to point out, it may not be quite the good news that Blackpool fans hope.  On the other hand perhaps the Latvian's problems in Kyrgyzstan were  sure sign of his probity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 13:35:20
England deciding to schedule some friendlies against actually good teams in order to give the side a genuine test... and then almost the entire first team picking up mysterious two week injuries.

I for one look forward to Rickie Lambert and Peter Crouch getting England farewells against Germany.


Looks like a route back to the world cup for Wayne Rooney...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 13:39:23
Not confused, just felt the need to point out, it may not be quite the good news that Blackpool fans hope.
Fair enough, minded to agree with you there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 14:49:47
Not confused, just felt the need to point out, it may not be quite the good news that Blackpool fans hope.  On the other hand perhaps the Latvian's problems in Kyrgyzstan were  sure sign of his probity.

Hard to know exactly how it will all end up, but for a fanbase that's resorted to boycotting the club entirely it's a glimmer of hope. Fan's attention is rightly now turning towards the EFL who have done their best to wipe their hands of the issue up to now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 11:58:46
Hard to know exactly how it will all end up, but for a fanbase that's resorted to boycotting the club entirely it's a glimmer of hope. Fan's attention is rightly now turning towards the EFL who have done their best to wipe their hands of the issue up to now.
If they're looking to the League for help, they're fucked


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 12:24:47
If they're looking to the League for help, they're fucked

Quite true. I think it's more an attempt to embarass the EFL than an expectation of help. Surprised they haven't taken more direct action to protest as yet, given that EFL HQ is based down the road in Preston. Unless I missed something...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 12:52:33
In two minds if this is wrong of not. Whilst he has a valid point, he shouldn't be questioning the manager.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5079455/Italy-s-World-Cup-dreams-die-Daniele-Rossi-raging.html?offset=83&max=100&jumpTo=comment-256602345#comment-256602345


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 13:30:12
Hi pressure situation, wrong way to deal with it but one of those things blown out of proportion.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 00:37:38
Chris Smalling’s comments on not being in the England squad. The level of arrogance from an incredibly limited footballer is hilarious.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42071986

Quote from: Chris Smalling
“I play for one of the biggest clubs and most successful managers in Jose [Mourinho]," he said.

"You don't play for one of the biggest clubs in the world for as long as I have and won most trophies bar the Champions League without being able to do everything that a top defender can do, be it playing or defending.

"Was I surprised? Yes."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 07:31:52
Wow, he's gone full Carragher


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 22, 2017, 09:15:26
Chris Smalling’s comments on not being in the England squad. The level of arrogance from an incredibly limited footballer is hilarious.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42071986


He has rather failed to even address the reason Southgate gave for not picking him in that interview, I suspect as deep down he knows his limitations. Must be sore when even your injured team mate (with a stupid face) gets picked above you  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, November 23, 2017, 20:36:56
Tony Cascarino said in the Times today he gets unfair criticism because he plays for Utd.

Just in case anyone didn't know already that almost everything Cascarino says is a load of shite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wilf Shergold on Friday, November 24, 2017, 11:24:10
Back to that Shearer-presented documentary about brain damage, did any of the older TEF-ers see the bit about Matt Tees and his wife? Heartbreaking, he has no knowledge now of his life as a legendary goalscorer, something like 150+ goals in 350-odd games. He was one of those lower league players who’d be in the Sunday paper goal scoring list week after week, which is how I knew of him, and loved wherever he played.

Saw this quote in the Grimsby Fishy forum:

“And remarkably he looked nothing like a professional footballer! Love this extract from McMenemy's book:

"I took a deep breath and entered the dressing room. I thought a sea mist had swept in. It wasn't unusual on the coast but in this case I looked toward the corner of the dressing room and saw one of my new players smoking a pipe. It turned out the player was Matt Tees. He was a Scot, a scrawny, skinny sort, a pipe-smoker who looked like a puff of wind would blow him over."

I know the word legend gets overused these days, but this man will forever be in our hearts - and deservedly so.”

Quite rightly known as ‘Sir Matt’ by Grimsby fans, in the style of Sir Don.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 24, 2017, 12:25:43
Back to that Shearer-presented documentary about brain damage, did any of the older TEF-ers see the bit about Matt Tees and his wife? Heartbreaking, he has no knowledge now of his life as a legendary goalscorer, something like 150+ goals in 350-odd games. He was one of those lower league players who’d be in the Sunday paper goal scoring list week after week, which is how I knew of him, and loved wherever he played.

Saw this quote in the Grimsby Fishy forum:

“And remarkably he looked nothing like a professional footballer! Love this extract from McMenemy's book:

"I took a deep breath and entered the dressing room. I thought a sea mist had swept in. It wasn't unusual on the coast but in this case I looked toward the corner of the dressing room and saw one of my new players smoking a pipe. It turned out the player was Matt Tees. He was a Scot, a scrawny, skinny sort, a pipe-smoker who looked like a puff of wind would blow him over."

I know the word legend gets overused these days, but this man will forever be in our hearts - and deservedly so.”

Quite rightly known as ‘Sir Matt’ by Grimsby fans, in the style of Sir Don.



I've never heard any Town fans say Sir Don. The Don yes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 24, 2017, 12:33:37
Tony Cascarino said in the Times today he gets unfair criticism because he plays for Utd.

Just in case anyone didn't know already that almost everything Cascarino says is a load of shite.

Whats wrong with football?

People referring to Manchester United as just 'Utd' ignoring the plethora of other Uniteds in the game!

Apologies its a bug bear of mine, commentators often do it when Man U are even playing another team with Utd in their name.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 16:51:25
All kicked off in the El Glosico yesterday. Some loud chanting and a smoke bomb from the Cheltenham boys!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 30, 2017, 10:05:29
Hmmmm....

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/885820/Sam-Allardyce-stunning-Everton-contract-overtake-Zidane


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 30, 2017, 11:11:05
Hmmmm....

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/885820/Sam-Allardyce-stunning-Everton-contract-overtake-Zidane

Imagine having all that money to offer and then appointing Sam fucking Allardyce :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 30, 2017, 11:35:25
 TBF to Sam, Everton were paying Koeman £6 mill pa.  They spoke to him before and offered less...to use the Brexit zeitgeist, he told them "go whistle"

 So 9 mill over 18 months is just their going rate. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 30, 2017, 12:05:23
  They spoke to him before and offered less...to use the Brexit zeitgeist, he told them "go whistle"


I thought that meant they would pay him £57bn???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 30, 2017, 13:10:53
He's a solid manager. Alleged dodgy past aside. Safe pair of hands.
Not sure what people's expectations of Everton are. Mid table with a chance of top 6 would be mine. He can surely achieve that.

If you are talking style of football, or his 'past' then yeah, maybe that's not so hot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, December 3, 2017, 17:42:16
Sunderland being so shit that one of their supporters took a dump in the stand yesterday. The ultimate dirty protest!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 13:25:20
Unsure if this has been posted but also not sure if it should be in this thread or the "What's right with Football"
 thread.

It's concerning in the fact that he's admitting that they are making a loss.
 If Notts County were to start having a crap run and didn't make promotion,
 I wonder how they'd be financially? The chairman is taking the gamble that Andrew Black didn't want to take.
 I'll watch this with interest. Certainly a good but risky way of getting round FFP for L2.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42211677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42211677)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 15:17:40
Unsure if this has been posted but also not sure if it should be in this thread or the "What's right with Football"
 thread.

It's concerning in the fact that he's admitting that they are making a loss.
 If Notts County were to start having a crap run and didn't make promotion,
 I wonder how they'd be financially? The chairman is taking the gamble that Andrew Black didn't want to take.
 I'll watch this with interest. Certainly a good but risky way of getting round FFP for L2.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42211677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42211677)

He is one funny looking bugger


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 15:20:00
Unsure if this has been posted but also not sure if it should be in this thread or the "What's right with Football"
 thread.

It's concerning in the fact that he's admitting that they are making a loss.
 If Notts County were to start having a crap run and didn't make promotion,
 I wonder how they'd be financially? The chairman is taking the gamble that Andrew Black didn't want to take.
 I'll watch this with interest. Certainly a good but risky way of getting round FFP for L2.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42211677 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42211677)

In the debate about budgies from the Stevenage match day thread.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57202.msg1441115#msg1441115


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 16:26:31
In the debate about budgies from the Stevenage match day thread.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57202.msg1441115#msg1441115

I was really hoping that thread had got onto budgies, but it was a typo booooo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 21:34:02
Batshuayi with a brace for Chelsea tonight...joke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2017, 20:54:27
http://mobile.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/town-replica-shirt-vote-3684611.aspx

Poll is on Twitter.
Wrong thread I know, but did anything come of this?
Rarely go into club shop


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, December 8, 2017, 08:33:27
The 91/93 won didnt it? Not seen anything else mentioned, probably another fad


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 8, 2017, 09:11:50
I imagine they were approached by a company, got all excited about it and it’s fizzled away because of costs or something like that.

Plus it should have been the GWR shirt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 8, 2017, 10:28:40
clearly should have been GWR.

ok, nothing happened with it then, that's fine, at least I know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, December 8, 2017, 21:52:43
I don't know if I could cope with living in Bristol while Bristol City are in the Premier League.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/hvWDIIcbeO5Fe/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ReadingRed on Friday, December 8, 2017, 22:46:54
I don't know if I could cope with living in Bristol while Bristol City are in the Premier League.
I dont think i could cope with living, full stop...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, December 9, 2017, 07:15:23
Odd how they claim that this success is on "such a low budget" when you consider what they spent in the summer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 9, 2017, 09:43:48
Odd how they claim that this success is on "such a low budget" when you consider what they spent in the summer

Their budget in league one was £13 million ffs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 11, 2017, 12:58:34
Mourinho has been getting right on my tits this weekend......

Firstly we have had all the stuff about City players falling over, politics etc etc, which his supporters in the media have been portraying as mind games with Guardiola, whereas as its obvious that Guardiola just thinks he is an obnoxious twat and ignores him its very obviously just to place undue pressure on the referee, yet doesn't get reported that way.

And then today we have reporting that he got 'water and milk' on him in the tunnel, ignoring the fact that Arteta ended up with a cut face, which I would suggest is probably more of a story. Mourinho is the management equivalent of the nawty hooligan who shouts come on then from safely behind a police cordon and then whines in the media when someone breaks through the cordon and lamps him in the face.

Oh and he is going to have to buy a bigger bus!  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 11, 2017, 13:34:07
Their budget in league one was £13 million ffs

I thought that was their losses, their budget must have been higher


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 11, 2017, 15:24:41
I thought that was their losses, their budget must have been higher
This is what I can find online with a quick search.

Bristol City losses

2016: £14.9m loss & 17.4m wages.
2015: £15m loss & £9.9m wages.
2014: £6.9m loss & £8.6m wages.
2013: £11.2 loss & £15.2m wages.
2012: £14.4m loss & £18.6m wages.
2011: £11.45m loss & £15.9m wages.
2010: £11.8m loss & 14.5m wages.
2009: £6.5m loss & 10.2m wages.

And I am with Rich, the thought of the slavers in the Premiership doesn't bear thinking about, they are arrogant enough already (I have 6 or 7 mates that support them) they will be unbearable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 11, 2017, 15:37:22
So is 2015 covering the 14-15 season?

Either way its nearly £16M spunked, minimum. Makes PDC look cheap :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 11, 2017, 15:50:04
So is 2015 covering the 14-15 season?

Either way its nearly £16M spunked, minimum. Makes PDC look cheap :)
I am pretty sure the year stated is the season ending in that year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, December 11, 2017, 15:50:27
Another Fairytale no doubt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 11, 2017, 21:33:43
Wrong thread I know, but did anything come of this?
Rarely go into club shop


Well bugger me the retro Burmah kit is being released tomorrow £34.99 !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 09:02:27
Well bugger me the retro Burmah kit is being released tomorrow £34.99 !

#justiceforBatch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 10:06:21
Well bugger me the retro Burmah kit is being released tomorrow £34.99 !

I must have the Loki Premier League shirt knocking about somewhere.... Were they much different?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 22:03:13
This is what I can find online with a quick search.

Bristol City losses

2016: £14.9m loss & 17.4m wages.
2015: £15m loss & £9.9m wages.
2014: £6.9m loss & £8.6m wages.
2013: £11.2 loss & £15.2m wages.
2012: £14.4m loss & £18.6m wages.
2011: £11.45m loss & £15.9m wages.
2010: £11.8m loss & 14.5m wages.
2009: £6.5m loss & 10.2m wages.

They've been doing this kind of thing for about 20 years haven't they?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, December 12, 2017, 22:31:01
Since 1982 I would say


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 10:30:02
They've been doing this kind of thing for about 20 years haven't they?
As Matchworn says since pre 1982 when they first went bust.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ferret on Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 12:24:52
As Matchworn says since pre 1982 when they first went bust.

I also hate their arrogance, especially in view of their massive long-term underachievement, despite all the clear spoonfeeding that they've had.

They're way below Oxford in my level of dislike. If there's one (non-Swindon related) football wish that I could control this season it would be to keep them down. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 12:02:03
Peterborough has their AGM last night.

Among the interesting things reported
They lost £1.4m last year (to June 2017)
The chairman has agreed to allow the manager to sign new players, but they are currently at 96% of what they can spend under FFP rules.
And this is preventing them extending the loan of their goalkeeper as Reading want an additional payment to extend his loan until the end of the season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 13:28:23
If there's one (non-Swindon related) football wish that I could control this season it would be to keep them down. 

Would be nice for Margaret though...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-bristol-42404934/margaret-dodds-the-centenarian-bristol-city-fan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 13:31:09
She's old enough to know better. No chance of any of us reaching 100 given the blood pressure levels of the last 3 seasons and consequent alcohol intake as a coping mechanism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 12:03:43
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42425465



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 13:37:55
The south-west London club are accused of 'breaching Regulation 3' of the EFL's rules, which say no member should "unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit" any other club in the league.

Think I've spotted their defence


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 15:53:58
 
The south-west London club are accused of 'breaching Regulation 3' of the EFL's rules, which say no member should "unfairly criticise, disparage, belittle or discredit" any other club in the league.

Think I've spotted their defence
:clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 19:53:43
The Matrix signs on the M4 Westbound at Bristol giving directions for 'Football Bristol vs Man Utd'. Presumably expecting football fans heading west from London and Reading.

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 21:57:29
pains me to say it, but fair play to shitty


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 21:59:19
they played well.
fucking cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 21:59:44
Fuck 'em. So many Swindon fans on Facebook congratulating them, makes my piss boil.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 22:12:25
Fuck 'em. So many Swindon fans on Facebook congratulating them, makes my piss boil.
I take it you dont fancy the City Utd half scarf then :gay:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 22:20:27
Just goes to show the difference in having an ambitious chairman with serious investment has.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 22:22:02
To be fair needing  a wage bill of £10m plus to get out of League 1 is not so impressive


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 22:29:15
To be fair needing  a wage bill of £10m plus to get out of League 1 is not so impressive
but, they are having fun :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 22:30:52
but, they are having fun :)

Doing well in the league cup is boring, we've been there & done that years ago ;-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 22:35:29
Association football hates me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 20, 2017, 23:50:30
No win situation tonight, I dislike both clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 07:48:26
Quote from: Ginginho
Fuck 'em. So many Swindon fans on Facebook congratulating them, makes my piss boil.
I don't understand those people.
their football and my football are different things.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:21:20
Just goes to show the difference in having an ambitious chairman with serious investment has.

Lansdown came onto their Board in 96 and has been Chairman since 2002. You could argue that he hasn't achieved much in that time despite the vast sums spent.  I guess it's to his credit that he's hung on in there, and now maybe he'll get some reward.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 10:42:07
Lansdown came onto their Board in 96 and has been Chairman since 2002. You could argue that he hasn't achieved much in that time despite the vast sums spent.  I guess it's to his credit that he's hung on in there, and now maybe he'll get some reward.

OK its taken a while, but they have improved the infrastructure. Its quite a big thing even if the team hasn't done a lot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:23:43
Lansdown came onto their Board in 96 and has been Chairman since 2002. You could argue that he hasn't achieved much in that time despite the vast sums spent. 
Maybe not in the first years, but in the past couple of years they've redeveloped their stadium and established themselves in Div 2. Plenty of teams would be happy to have achieved that much.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:31:14
Bristol Sport are one of my works 'customer success' stories and feature on most marketing videos now. They've got a smart setup there to be fair to them. Also Lansdown stayed loyal to Johnson when most City fans were screaming for his head last season.

I'd love someone like him here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:39:34
I'd love someone like him here.

I’m sure we would all like to have a Swindon fan who is prepared to spunk away £10m a season on STFC with no likelihood of getting any of it back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:42:05
Maybe not in the first years, but in the past couple of years they've redeveloped their stadium and established themselves in Div 2. Plenty of teams would be happy to have achieved that much.

Lansdown is a sort of rich man's version of John Madeski. It took Sir John 16 years to get Reading into the Prem, Lansdown has merely got a CBE.

However Madejski was quite parsimonious, partly because his wealth was measured in tens of millions, compared to Lansdown's  billion +

No doubt Lansdown will get a knighthood for getting the Shitheads into the Prem... despite being a tax haven resident.  The only thing he shares with Power.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:46:57
Lansdown is a sort of rich man's version of John Madeski. It took Sir John 16 years to get Reading into the Prem, Lansdown has merely got a CBE.

However Madejski was quite parsimonious, partly because his wealth was measured in tens of millions, compared to Lansdown's  billion +
Fair point, if you're talking about "bang for buck" Lansdown's wasted a huge amount. But perhaps unfair to say he's not achieved much, even if he's wasted a lot along the way


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:52:01
A year, maybe 2, in the PL and he’ll get his money back plus - if he wants it back.

The difference between clubs we see as historical equals who have ‘made it’ have had owners prepared to reinvest on the back of a successful season. We’ve always sold our playing assets as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:52:54
A year, maybe 2, in the PL and he’ll get his money back plus - if he wants it back.

The difference between clubs we see as historical equals who have ‘made it’ have had owners prepared to reinvest on the back of a successful season. We’ve always sold our playing assets as soon as possible.

Reading and Bristol City have been bankrolled by million and billionaires. THAT's the difference between them and us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 11:53:34
I’m sure we would all like to have a Swindon fan who is prepared to spunk away £10m a season on STFC with no likelihood of getting any of it back.
That would indeed be brilliant but the chances of that happening in my lifetime are on the slim side of Olga Sherer.

The best we could hope for would be something similar to Barnsley with Chinese investment but I fear LP would let them invest but still want to control the football/club/gound side of things leaving us essentially exactly where we are now still.

Fans keep saying....Lee why don't you sell.....well its simple, there is no buyer interested in us, let alone anyone who would give a shit about what fans want and desire.

Which is what Lansdowne is, hes a rich man who was/is a fan of sport in Bristol and however bad that is for rivals like us and Rovers he has the desires of fans at heart and a seemingly endless supply of funds to do it with.

I send no "well done" to shitty but I did send a congrats txt to 3 of my mates who went yesterday as I know how great it feels to be in the LC semi's against the odds.

One of their main gripes was that season ticket holders of Bristol rugby were able to buy a ticket for yesterday as a priority over football fans that didn't have season tickets.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 12:05:55
Reading and Bristol City have been bankrolled by million and billionaires. THAT's the difference between them and us.
We were bankrolled by a multi-millionaire for a while and we could have been set on that path instead of being flogged off to fraudsters and barrow boys but Di Canio's rampant ego and profligate spending (and Wray's inability to handle either) fucked it up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 12:08:01
A year, maybe 2, in the PL and he’ll get his money back plus - if he wants it back.

The difference between clubs we see as historical equals who have ‘made it’ have had owners prepared to reinvest on the back of a successful season. We’ve always sold our playing assets as soon as possible.

There have been periods in our history, when we could have taken a step forward, but haven't. The last when PdC had us near top of Div 3, and Piccareta took us there. However time and tide waits for no man, as Bristol City found out in 82, when the old club died.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 12:22:40
.Which is what Lansdowne is, hes a rich man who was/is a fan of sport in Bristol and however bad that is for rivals like us and Rovers he has the desires of fans at heart and a seemingly endless supply of funds to do it with.

Lansdown finances the egg chasers, but here they don't really do very well, when compared to say Exeter. Their owner Tony Rowe is a bit of a character, obviously got a few self made bob but not in Lansdown's league, however has built them a new ground and won the Premiership, with side that was Div 3 a few years back, a very difficult transition to make.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 12:52:43
We were bankrolled by a multi-millionaire for a while and we could have been set on that path instead of being flogged off to fraudsters and barrow boys but Di Canio's rampant ego and profligate spending (and Wray's inability to handle either) fucked it up.

Sir Martyn had already bailed before then though, so we were left with just Black (financially).  Oh what could have been.  Was he in the same league? Financially maybe but commitment wise ...I think he'd have bailed anyway myself.

And now we are back to square one. Albeit without any known debenture being called - though with Power I half expect Fat Tony to be at the turnstiles shaking down fans at any minute.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 14:22:02
Sir Martyn had already bailed before then though, so we were left with just Black (financially).  Oh what could have been.  Was he in the same league? Financially maybe but commitment wise ...I think he'd have bailed anyway myself.

And now we are back to square one. Albeit without any known debenture being called - though with Power I half expect Fat Tony to be at the turnstiles shaking down fans at any minute.



Black was worth  about 100 mill. Lansdown 1000 mill.  Power maybe 4 or 5.  Quite a difference.

We are where we are, which is why the current sub plot is to sink no further, a very realistic prospect in the medium term.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 18:25:29
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/football-minnows-in-wembley-logo-battle-z9g8drvfw

The FA being their usual self


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 21, 2017, 19:55:48
the current sub plot is to sink no further, a very realistic prospect in the medium term.
I see what you did there :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, December 22, 2017, 13:54:54
The FA trying to force Wembley FC to drop Wembley from their name because confusion might arise between it and the stadium. Dicks. :crash:

https://www.change.org/p/football-association-stop-the-fa-forcing-local-wembley-football-club-dropping-wembley-from-their-name


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 27, 2017, 17:55:40
Kind of sums up what bollocks football has become....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42488421


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, December 27, 2017, 18:46:43
£75m for van Dijk


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 23:06:47
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42557080

Jesus. Some people



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 23:08:03
The all need to take a long hard look at themselves.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 23:32:16
£75m for van Dijk
And with that dreadful cockney accent, too.

‘Dont take on so, Mary Poppins’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 4, 2018, 07:33:43
Livermore should have lumped this creature. There's a line not to be crossed and this and the one Paul shared absolutely sail over that line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42558360


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 4, 2018, 08:45:52
Livermore should have lumped this creature. There's a line not to be crossed and this and the one Paul shared absolutely sail over that line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42558360
Unfortunately there is a huge percentage of neanderthals that follow football as fans, and that seems to be in pretty much every country round the world.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 4, 2018, 09:47:25
Livermore should have lumped this creature. There's a line not to be crossed and this and the one Paul shared absolutely sail over that line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42558360
Spot on CS, the Livermore thing was awful


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 4, 2018, 09:56:23
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42557080

Jesus. Some people



And the time they seem to have on their bloody hands...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 09:31:47
Hartlepool United to go into administration and an instant 10-point deduction or automatic relegation if their takeover is not completed in the next couple of days.

Always sad when this happens to clubs with a long history mixed with bad management at all levels mixed with relegation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 09:46:24
That is a shame, although they rode their luck getting re-elected down the years.

I followed their results as a kid, because they were so shit and I like an underdog. Then I found another similar team played just down the road from me...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 09:49:42
The whole bollocks regarding VAR during the Brighton Palace game on BT sport last night.

The commentator was constantly applying the baby oil about the stuff, to such an extent he often didn't even mention the game (would have been better if he had just been quiet generally), if we are going to get this shite every time its used then its a no thanks from me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 10:32:41
Hartlepool United to go into administration and an instant 10-point deduction or automatic relegation if their takeover is not completed in the next couple of days.

Always sad when this happens to clubs with a long history mixed with bad management at all levels mixed with relegation.

Another club destroyed part in hand by that peanut headed cunt Steve Murrall.

Hope he’s enjoying his time in the clink


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 10:59:27
Another club destroyed part in hand by that peanut headed cunt Steve Murrall.

Hope he’s enjoying his time in the clink
We got off lightly in the great scheme of things.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 11:04:55
That is a shame, although they rode their luck getting re-elected down the years.

I followed their results as a kid, because they were so shit and I like an underdog. Then I found another similar team played just down the road from me...

I liked them when Clough was in charge... like you because of the underdog thing, they always seemed to be up for re-election.

Now though, Town fans can't afford sentiment, it could easily be us next.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 11:08:07
Hartlepool United to go into administration and an instant 10-point deduction or automatic relegation if their takeover is not completed in the next couple of days.

Where did you get this from?

Shame if it plays out..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 11:14:51
Where did you get this from?

Shame if it plays out..
Orient forum, Hartlepool forum, BBC and Hartlepool Mail.

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/hartlepool-united/next-seven-days-crucial-for-hartlepool-united-takeover-1-8944529


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 11:19:14
Certainly think things could have gone a lot worse a lot quicker for us if Jed, Murrall et al had longer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 20:00:23
Certainly think things could have gone a lot worse a lot quicker for us if Jed, Murrall et al had longer.

And yet there are many Town fans who would happily risk that again


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 10:06:02
Fuck sake

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-42626014


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 10:14:18
Fuck sake

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-42626014

What a twat


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 10:17:36
Fuck sake

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-42626014

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0IwGidh5DYVDnzi/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 10:52:46
Fred Elliott is mayor of Liverpool, who knew.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 12:29:22
Fuck sake

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-42626014
Might be related to this?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/agent-paid-7-million-in-ross-barkley-deal-vw7g97zzp

£7m agent's fee on a £15m transfer. Not bad work if you can get it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 12:42:54
Might be related to this?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/agent-paid-7-million-in-ross-barkley-deal-vw7g97zzp

£7m agent's fee on a £15m transfer. Not bad work if you can get it.

Indeed though if you have saved the buying club £20m on said deal, everyone wins - unless Everton have been forced to accept £20m less through nefarious means?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 12:46:09
Indeed though if you have saved the buying club £20m on said deal, everyone wins - unless Everton have been forced to accept £20m less through nefarious means?
That is, I believe, the suggestion


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 12:48:07
That is, I believe, the suggestion

I would be intrigued how they were forced to sell an asset at a reduced price? Barkley could have threatened to down tools (not that Everton would have noticed in recent years) but that's really no different to any worker withholding their labour and I thought an old red like you would appreciate that!  :D ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 13:34:42
I would be intrigued how they were forced to sell an asset at a reduced price? Barkley could have threatened to down tools (not that Everton would have noticed in recent years) but that's really no different to any worker withholding their labour and I thought an old red like you would appreciate that!  :D ;)

Apart from the fact that "any worker" withholding their labour in any other industry would be most likely sacked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 13:55:30
Dunno, you'll have to ask Fred Elliott that. But it seems that's not the only transfer controversy Everton's new owners have got embroiled in:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42630016


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 14:12:07
I don’t buy into the extreme elements of the rivalry, but the number of Town fans congratulating Bristol City last week was pathetic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 14:45:39
I don’t buy into the extreme elements of the rivalry, but the number of Town fans congratulating Bristol City last week was pathetic

A few City fans got a bit upset on Twitter after I suggested that they must have won the league cup after they way they had celebrated. I wanted to know when the open top bus tour was going to be.

I don’t think they quite understand irony :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 15:10:54
A few City fans got a bit upset on Twitter after I suggested that they must have won the league cup after they way they had celebrated. I wanted to know when the open top bus tour was going to be.

I don’t think they quite understand irony :)
Nice :)

Very few of their fans that I know (living in Somerset there are loads of them coming out of the woodwork here) have no sense of irony or much of a sense of humour.

One of my best mates is a shithead and I got a torrent of abuse when I suggested that they were making tee shirts celebrating their almost win at City :D half and half scarves at the ready.

Bless them, let them have their 5 minutes of fame, after all we have won that cup and got to the semi finals another 2 times since then, both of which we won the first leg 2-1 ;)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, January 10, 2018, 15:34:57
I do love how a lot of them always seem to mentioned that we are always on the brink of going bust.
1982 springs to mind


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 11, 2018, 08:45:01
Where did you get this from?

Shame if it plays out..
Their fans have set up a just giving page now.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/savehartlepoolunitedfootballclub

Not looking good for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, January 11, 2018, 11:27:10
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTLf8ZrWkAAslVv.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 12, 2018, 13:16:28
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/12/graham-rix-gwyn-williams-accused-racism-bullying-chelsea

Christ. That's some pretty nasty stuff alleged against someone who isn't exactly popular here to start with. If you tolerate Rix...



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 14, 2018, 23:55:35
Not really sure which thread this warrants. Anyone see the psg ref tonight that kicked out at the Nantes player and then sent the player off for dissent. Absolutely crazy. Never seen a ref react before and will be interesting to see what happens

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWainwright4/status/952659717662433281/video/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWainwright4/status/952659717662433281/video/1)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 15, 2018, 07:10:00
that's unbelievable Jeff


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, January 22, 2018, 22:37:02
Bristol City trying to avoid planning conditions on the stadium revamp by claiming their published attendances are not the same as those through the turnstiles due to season ticket non shows because they hit 5 games with 25k attendances. Apparently common practice for most clubs to do this.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/council-tell-bristol-city-provide-1084284.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 22, 2018, 22:43:05
There have been one or two sparse looking crowds at the CG this season that seemed to be announced  higher.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 22, 2018, 22:45:36
Yep been done for a while, don't think it is just English teams either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 22, 2018, 22:48:09
You would imagine that a club is duty bound to count the actual attendance to ensure they adhere to their safety certificate, so Bristol City should be able to produce evidence to match the wording.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, January 22, 2018, 22:53:34
There have been one or two sparse looking crowds at the CG this season that seemed to be announced  higher.

The club have their figure, but the police need to have the number actually in the ground, which isn't necessarily the same.

On the do you still go thread, there are a few who said "got a season ticket, been to about 3 games" The club count them as being there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, January 22, 2018, 23:03:05
Someone, somewhere thought this was a good idea. Who the hell watches this and thinks, “yeah, that’s good.”

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/955500480582500353?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Enet.whatsapp.WhatsApp.ShareExtension


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 22, 2018, 23:09:03
Someone, somewhere thought this was a good idea. Who the hell watches this and thinks, “yeah, that’s good.”

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/955500480582500353?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Enet.whatsapp.WhatsApp.ShareExtension

They're just trying to do what Real Madrid & Barca do. We're only going to see more of it. Not bad photography actually but ffs when will clubs learn that footballers cannot act (quite, many can on the pitch). Not Beckham, Not Ronaldo, Not Messi, Not Neymar, Not Sanchez....but some fans will absolute lap it up and jizz all over it.  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, January 22, 2018, 23:27:08
when will clubs learn that footballers cannot act

Have you forgotten John Wark in Escape To Victory  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 22, 2018, 23:50:47
Have you forgotten John Wark in Escape To Victory  :hmmm:

Haha, brilliant Reg   :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 23, 2018, 01:02:57
Mike Summerbee has an IMDB page, did he get any lines?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, January 23, 2018, 06:51:26
Have you forgotten John Wark in Escape To Victory  :hmmm:
He wasn't as bad as Stallone......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 23, 2018, 07:28:33
Quote from: Reg Smeeton
Quote
when will clubs learn that footballers cannot act
Have you forgotten John Wark in Escape To Victory  :hmmm:
good old John Wark, played for Ipswich until he was 87.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 13:00:24
Someone, somewhere thought this was a good idea. Who the hell watches this and thinks, “yeah, that’s good.”

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/955500480582500353?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Enet.whatsapp.WhatsApp.ShareExtension

I like the way he is trolling them by playing 'Who the fuck are man United'  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 10:00:56
Conte moaning that Chelsea have a small squad yet a quick look at their wiki page shows they have 35 players out on loan.
Admittedly some of those of kids gaining experience but the likes of Kurt Zouma, Marko van ginkel, Kenedy, Reuben loftus-cheek, Tammy Abraham could all be those squad players Conte is moaning about not having.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 10:07:21
Someone, somewhere thought this was a good idea. Who the hell watches this and thinks, “yeah, that’s good.”

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/955500480582500353?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Enet.whatsapp.WhatsApp.ShareExtension

Wish I hadn't wasted 3 seconds opening that. I'll never get it back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 10:21:50
Conte moaning that Chelsea have a small squad yet a quick look at their wiki page shows they have 35 players out on loan.
Admittedly some of those of kids gaining experience but the likes of Kurt Zouma, Marko van ginkel, Kenedy, Reuben loftus-cheek, Tammy Abraham could all be those squad players Conte is moaning about not having.

Looking at the players he is apparently trying to sign, I had interpreted him saying small as meaning their stature?  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 10:46:50
Looking at the players he is apparently trying to sign, I had interpreted him saying small as meaning their suture?  :D
I know, they have been linked with some interesting names. Taking nothing away from them but Carroll and Crouch?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 12:14:35
Looking at the players he is apparently trying to sign, I had interpreted him saying small as meaning their suture?  :D
Is he only trying to sign players who have recently had surgery?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 13:07:34
Is he only trying to sign players who have recently had surgery?

Yeah that will be it.......   :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 13:22:45
Yeah that will be it.......   :D
Well Carroll has just had surgery.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 25, 2018, 14:43:02
Well Carroll has just had surgery.
He's just had surgery, awaiting surgery or recovering from surgery.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, January 26, 2018, 06:48:16
Only just seen that Sanchez at Man Utd is on £505k per week. That is absolutely scandalous!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 26, 2018, 08:26:54
Only just seen that Sanchez at Man Utd is on £505k per week. That is absolutely scandalous!

The amount of money at the top flight is, as you say, scandalous.

The one thing about Sanchez (and any player who is effectively out of contract) is that the lack of a transfer fee means the player gets the money.

Effectively Sanchez, costs the same over the next three years as the Van Dyke transfer fee


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 26, 2018, 14:14:55
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39222518

This rather crept under the radar last year, I don't understand why in most other sports the onus is on the athlete, whilst in football its the clubs responsibility and violations are met with a tin pot fine and no sanction?

Only coming up today as Sanchez seems to have missed one yet the media are just reporting 'yeah, whatever'?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 28, 2018, 12:17:54
https://www.insuranceage.co.uk/broker/3232981/one-call-slammed-by-fca-and-fined-ps684000

This is the bloke who owns Mansfield. Obviously a kindred spirit with Fatty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 17:07:30
Chelsea paying £18m for a player on an 18th month contract just seems odd, he will be free to negotiate to leave on a free in 12 months time...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 17:48:41
Chelsea paying £18m for a player on an 18th month contract just seems odd, he will be free to negotiate to leave on a free in 12 months time...

They do desperately need him. I imagine they can trigger a final year depending on success. isnt it also 6 months remaining and not 12? A good year minimum from Giroud is still a good price at £18 todays rates.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, January 31, 2018, 20:37:34
Giroud is a quality player, and was massively under used at Arsenal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, February 1, 2018, 10:30:28
Absolute bargain in today’s prices, great scoring record at Arsenal considering a lot of his appearances came off the bench.

Swansea paid more for that Ayew from West Ham, fair play Chelsea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 1, 2018, 11:55:59
A good year minimum from Giroud is still a good price at £18 todays rates.
At 18 quid I'm disappointed we didn't have a whip round to gazump them with a 25 quid deal stealer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 2, 2018, 11:53:54
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42901550


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 7, 2018, 12:52:19
Nice to see Harry still hasn't lost his touch to cause financial mayhem at every club he manages...

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/birmingham-city-harry-redknapp-signings-14253042


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 7, 2018, 22:30:31
Scumbags, including ex-Cardiff Mark Aizlewood

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42841660


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 9, 2018, 12:06:52
This piece gives an unappealing insight into the nature of modern football club ownership. Will cross-reference it on the thread about Power's ownership as I think it's very pertinent in there too.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/09/charlton-khakshouri-jimenez-cash-modern-football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 12, 2018, 17:15:18
I know its that twat Dan Roan.... But fuck sake...

https://twitter.com/danroan/status/963074386357080064


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, February 12, 2018, 17:34:25
On wages. Saw this earlier.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vkqV021JvmA&sns=fb


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, February 12, 2018, 17:41:29
Ha. Jesus everything that outlet does is absolutely shite. Figured pulled from his arse while recording the VO in his downstairs bog.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 12, 2018, 17:46:11
On wages. Saw this earlier.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vkqV021JvmA&sns=fb
Vigs I can understand but I can't see that we are paying RCC £3k a week TBH.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 12, 2018, 17:57:53
Would have thought £3000 would be close to the entire weekly wage bill!

And he’s only the 2nd highest paid player we’ve got!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, February 12, 2018, 17:59:16
Ha. Jesus everything that outlet does is absolutely shite. Figured pulled from his arse while recording the VO in his downstairs bog.

:D

My thoughts exactly!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 12, 2018, 18:03:52
Would have thought £3000 would be close to the entire weekly wage bill!

And he’s only the 2nd highest paid player we’ve got!
Except it's a made-up crock of shit....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, February 22, 2018, 20:47:07
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43157628 Bet Jed Mc"Roooooaaaaarrr"y is wanking himself silly at any potential prospect of getting his hands on this. While it would be bad...couldn't happen to a nicer club *ahem*  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 14:32:52
Crewe's continued failure to face up to the responsibility they bear for Bennell's appalling abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/26/barry-bennell-fans-forum-crewe-alexandra-football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 15:16:24
Crewe's continued failure to face up to the responsibility they bear for Bennell's appalling abuse:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/26/barry-bennell-fans-forum-crewe-alexandra-football

I agree entirely with the sentiment, but that's bollocks self important reporting that would do the Advertiser proud!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 15:42:15
I agree entirely with the sentiment, but that's bollocks self important reporting that would do the Advertiser proud!
Well, that's the grauniad for you. Doesn't make the Crewe hierarchy any less culpable though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:13:54
Well, that's the grauniad for you. Doesn't make the Crewe hierarchy any less culpable though

Did I say it did?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:23:27
Did I say it did?  :hmmm:
No, you didn't, didn't mean to imply you did and apologies if it seemed that way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:28:27
 See the FA have caved in to Prem pressure on the FA Cup and are going to play 5th round cup matches midweek with no replays, and leave a blank weekend in Feb, to be called a mid season break, so no doubt they'll all fuck off overseas to play friendlies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:32:21
No, you didn't, didn't mean to imply you did and apologies if it seemed that way.

Right you have seen what Ben Bradley had to do, you know the drill......  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:33:49
See the FA have caved in to Prem pressure on the FA Cup and are going to play 5th round cup matches midweek with no replays, and leave a blank weekend in Feb, to be called a mid season break, so no doubt they'll all fuck off overseas to play friendlies.

SAw that on social media this morning, but must confess gave it no more than a cursory glance...

Does that mean there will be replays in every round bar the 5th....

Call me controversial but could they just not start the season a bit earlier like we do??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:37:20
Right you have seen what Ben Bradley had to do, you know the drill......  ;)
I'd like to offer full and fulsome apologies if I have ever, even inadvertently, given the impression that Horlock is a communist spy in the pay of the KGB. That OK?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:39:45
Call me controversial but could they just not start the season a bit earlier like we do??
Don't be ridiculous, that's when they do all their lucrative pre-season tours and "International WonderClub Cups" and the like. Which is not at all why the players are knackered by January, oh no, it's because they have to play in the smelly old FA Cup against lower league scum like Rochdale on their shitty pitch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:42:32
I'd like to offer full and fulsome apologies if I have ever, even inadvertently, given the impression that Horlock is a communist spy in the pay of the KGB. That OK?

And the donations to the charities of my choice....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 16:46:28
And the donations to the charities of my choice....
Love to, obviously, but left my wallet at home ...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 12:35:36
Conveniently the prem want their mid season break in Feb, just before the chumps league starts again, all other countries have theirs in January

Poor little loves must play so many matches they cant cope.

Sadly can see the FL agreeing to this for an extra few ££$$ from the premier chucked their way to compensate for losing FA Replays, bound to happen, especially as the L1 & L2 have such a small voting percentage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 12:41:33
Poor form from the local FA this. No place for this kind of behavior in football, especially u11's.

https://talksport.com/football/talksport-exclusive-abused-managers-then-threatened-fa-shocking-treatment-15-year-old



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 12:46:56
Conveniently the prem want their mid season break in Feb, just before the chumps league starts again, all other countries have theirs in January

Poor little loves must play so many matches they cant cope.
They'll only use the "winter break" to piss off over to Dubai or the USA to play some lucrative friendly or tournament against some other bunch of hypocrites.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 12:55:59
They'll only use the "winter break" to piss off over to Dubai or the USA to play some lucrative friendly or tournament against some other bunch of hypocrites.


I was amused by the Taxigate story.... apparently WBA had booked up a longer stay in Barca, assuming they'd be knocked out of the cup, so they could get their "mid season break"   The Scousers got their's in first however by losing to them. Inconvenient for the Baggies, but they thought they'd take the truncated version anyway.... good for team bonding.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 13:00:47
Poor form from the local FA this. No place for this kind of behavior in football, especially u11's.

https://talksport.com/football/talksport-exclusive-abused-managers-then-threatened-fa-shocking-treatment-15-year-old

That is fucking shite from the FA, but sorry to say it doesn't surprise me in the slightest....

On a related matter, what 15 year old wants to be a referee.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 13:05:20
I was amused by the Taxigate story.... apparently WBA had booked up a longer stay in Barca, assuming they'd be knocked out of the cup, so they could get their "mid season break"   The Scousers got their's in first however by losing to them. Inconvenient for the Baggies, but they thought they'd take the truncated version anyway.... good for team bonding.

More amusing about Taxigate is the fact that West Brom have stolen the same number of Taxi's under Pardew as they have won Premier League games....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 14:57:49
That is fucking shite from the FA, but sorry to say it doesn't surprise me in the slightest....

On a related matter, what 15 year old wants to be a referee.....

Decent career to be had in refereeing these days if you can make it to the higher echelons.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: blah blah on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 16:17:24
Some friends of my sons prefer to ref on a Sunday than play these days. Even at grass roots junior level you can earn a few quid for not too much work. Its probably still not enough though for most kids to put up with the twats moaning from the sidelines


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 16:32:56
Decent career to be had in refereeing these days if you can put up with scores of people shouting cunt at you..

Corrected for you!  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 16:38:01
Corrected for you!  ;)

I'd put up with for 90 minutes, its just words at the end of the day but for a 15 year old kid to have 3 grown men confront you, in your face, it's gonna shit you up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:39:55
That is fucking shite from the FA, but sorry to say it doesn't surprise me in the slightest....

On a related matter, what 15 year old wants to be a referee.....
One of my lads' U16 team-mates is a ref for younger age groups, and one of the others is keen to take the course. They love football, it's a few quid in their pocket and they feel it enhances their understanding of the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:46:11
Poor kid, whether up to it or not that's no way to treat a ref. Guess the FA have set conduct rules on referees marks, the consequences of being marked lowly being automatic hearing... Should be supporting him not putting him off.

-----------------------------------

Tell you what, we had a ref about that age (or probably a bit older) for an U14 game this season at Calne.

Judged the book by the cover - expected a weak and easily influenced ref - not that he'd get stick for it, but its hard at that age.

Best ref we've had for...well..that I can remember. Not only did he get every decision right (or nearly :) ), the way he talked to players explaining why he gave what he did was superb. Can't praise him highly enough.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:00:14
Can see it catching on over here,...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/859ed4d8-1ca5-4bd3-8869-5171a13a4012


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:02:16
Can see it catching on over here,...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/859ed4d8-1ca5-4bd3-8869-5171a13a4012
Didn't Man Utd have 5 in one season a couple of years back?

For bigger clubs its an easy money maker really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, March 2, 2018, 02:06:31
Expansion of Barcelona's airport is not possible because "planes are not allowed to fly over Lionel Messi's house", according to Vueling president Javier Sanchez-Prieto.

(http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2018/03/01/5a98115f22601dd53e8b4568.html)

I really don't know what to say.  All I have is to put this here.  That is pretty much it for the future of our game, it's all over.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:26:35
Expansion of Barcelona's airport is not possible because "planes are not allowed to fly over Lionel Messi's house", according to Vueling president Javier Sanchez-Prieto.

(http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2018/03/01/5a98115f22601dd53e8b4568.html)

I really don't know what to say.  All I have is to put this here.  That is pretty much it for the future of our game, it's all over.


That is such a bollocks story the Advertiser would be proud of it.... The restriction has fuck all to do with Messi and relates to an environmental control over that part of the town within which Messi happens to live, its just an airline seeing an opportunity for a bit of free press in Marca, a paper that is notoriously Madrid centric and anti Barcelona.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:35:09
Ah, I see, I was hammered when I posted that so didn't delve further into it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:36:09
Ah, I see, I was hammered when I posted that so didn't delve further into it.

 :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 01:29:42
Crewe, again, and continually

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/02/crewe-alexandra-reject-calls-inquiry-barry-bennell-sexual-abuse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 5, 2018, 11:07:11
Suddenly many of the FA's decisions make sense...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43282450

Note - I am not commenting specifically on the rights and wrongs of what he said but  purely on his apparent total lack of appreciation of context....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 14:56:33
 So Johnson's response to the apparent Russian hit in Sarum, is to say in Parliament, that we'll withdraw dignitaries from visiting Russia at the WC.... that'll learn em.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 15:52:54
Notts County reportedly offering 30 year old former former Sporting, Sevilla and Anderlecht winger Diego Capel a £15,000 per week deal. He's currently a free agent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 16:16:57
Notts County reportedly offering 30 year old former former Sporting, Sevilla and Anderlecht winger Diego Capel a £15,000 per week deal. He's currently a free agent.
seems like the opposite happened.

Quote
Alan Hardy says we tried to sign a Spanish forward but his wage demands were too excessive so talks abandoned.

These press reports therefore would seem to be exaggerated and out of date. As you say the story is not worth the paper it's written on.

Please tell me where you read that this latest story has come directly from our chairman. On his Twitter account he says never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Good enough?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 12, 2018, 08:19:45
Jamie carragher. Horrible fucker.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, March 12, 2018, 09:57:37
Indeed.
Hope Sky Sports get rid so I never have to listen to that awful droning Scouse accent of his.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 12, 2018, 10:32:55
Greek club owner shows West Ham fans how to mount a serious pitch invasion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43369490


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 12, 2018, 10:35:58
Indeed.
Hope Sky Sports get rid so I never have to listen to that awful droning Scouse accent of his.

Just read about this.... very unsavoury. A difficult call to make, but sacking is justified.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 12, 2018, 10:41:37
So after essentially being given a public funded stadium for next to nothing, are West Ham also not responsible for the stewarding and security during their games?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/furious-west-ham-owners-demand-12170447

Fucking hell, they are essentially the first nationalised football club then?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 12, 2018, 10:55:35
So after essentially being given a public funded stadium for next to nothing, are West Ham also not responsible for the stewarding and security during their games?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/furious-west-ham-owners-demand-12170447

Fucking hell, they are essentially the first nationalised football club then?
They're just following the very successful model established elsewhere in flogging off public assets for nothing - nationalise the risk, privatise the profits. It's worked very well for the banks, railways, utilities etc. Another brilliant triumph of Boris!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 12, 2018, 10:55:54
So after essentially being given a public funded stadium for next to nothing, are West Ham also not responsible for the stewarding and security during their games?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/furious-west-ham-owners-demand-12170447

Fucking hell, they are essentially the first nationalised football club then?


You're forgetting psg nationalised by Qatar in exchange for the world cup


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 12, 2018, 11:26:28
They're just following the very successful model established elsewhere in flogging off public assets for nothing - nationalise the risk, privatise the profits. It's worked very well for the banks, railways, utilities etc. Another brilliant triumph of Boris!

Fucking hell have you been kidnapped by Reg?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 12, 2018, 11:30:04
Fucking hell have you been kidnapped by Reg?
:D True though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 12, 2018, 14:05:36
Just read about this.... very unsavoury. A difficult call to make, but sacking is justified.

And a dangerous driving charge for the fucker driving along with his kid in the car filming it all.....

Not condoning Carragher in the slightest, but it never ceases to amaze me how many thick twats put up videos of themselves breaking the law when the lure of a few quid rears its head!

If you watch the footage she was asking him to stop, so two grown up fuckwits and the only one with any sense was the 15 year old girl.

Fucking hell this Carragher  and West Ham bollocks is bringing out the best self righteous nonsense from football supporters on social media today!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 14:12:11
Quick, an 'ofendedning'... burn them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 12, 2018, 15:29:11
And a dangerous driving charge for the fucker driving along with his kid in the car filming it all.....

Not condoning Carragher in the slightest, but it never ceases to amaze me how many thick twats put up videos of themselves breaking the law when the lure of a few quid rears its head!

If you watch the footage she was asking him to stop, so two grown up fuckwits and the only one with any sense was the 15 year old girl.

Fucking hell this Carragher  and West Ham bollocks is bringing out the best self righteous nonsense from football supporters on social media today!

I had the misfortune of reading some of the twitter comments below Carragher's apology.

It was just a load of pathetic Man U and Liverpool fans in a petty game of 'oneupmanship'.

I swear approximately 70% of the human race are just morons.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 12, 2018, 15:40:16
Nothing should detract from the fact, regardless of circumstances, that a young girl was on the receiving end of a face full of gob. Unpleasant in the extreme plus the associated health risk.

Sky have got rid of people before, just for comments made on air.
A quiet word and a slap on the wrist is not the answer in this case.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, March 12, 2018, 17:02:00
Nothing should detract from the fact, regardless of circumstances, that a young girl was on the receiving end of a face full of gob. Unpleasant in the extreme plus the associated health risk.

Sky have got rid of people before, just for comments made on air.
A quiet word and a slap on the wrist is not the answer in this case.
They have also kept people on convicted of drink driving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 12, 2018, 17:48:24
They have also kept people on convicted of drink driving.

Very true.
Dare I say it that Kirsty Gallagher might be of more "interest" to a Sky viewer than a Frank Mclintock or a Rodney Marsh.
And "veteran" Clare Tomlinson is no doubt grateful to be mainly tucked away on the late night SSN slots.

Gary Neville has spoken out in favour of "Carra" apparently.

#letskeepthiscliqueybullshitclubwhenwecovergamesgoing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 10:28:20
I know you'll all be shocked by this but it turns out that not only are the Premier League and Football League's "owners and directors test" (formerly Fit and Proper Persons test) not worth the paper they're written on, but even when someone does actually manage to fail them, they're not enforced. I was shocked, shocked I tell you!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/13/premier-league-blackpool-owen-oyston-fit-and-proper-person


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 11:06:59
I know you'll all be shocked by this but it turns out that not only are the Premier League and Football League's "owners and directors test" (formerly Fit and Proper Persons test) not worth the paper they're written on, but even when someone does actually manage to fail them, they're not enforced. I was shocked, shocked I tell you!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/13/premier-league-blackpool-owen-oyston-fit-and-proper-person

Didn't Readings new owners fail to meet the PL test when trying to buy Hull and then shortly after pass the FL test to buy Hull....

Its nonsense...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39944390


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 11:31:52
Didn't Readings new owners fail to meet the PL test when trying to buy Hull and then shortly after pass the FL test to buy Hull....

Its nonsense...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39944390
Yes, that's because the Prem and Football League have slightly different tests. But given:
a) They're both shit
b) They don't actually bother to enforce them anyway
it really doesn't much matter. The only reason they have the tests is so when yet another Blackpool, Portsmouth, Orient, Hartlepool etc etc gets taken to the cleaners by people you clearly wouldn't trust with the teas money from a church fete the Leagues can wash their hands of it and say "Well, we did our best". Fucking useless


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 18:15:20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43387013
So the police send the driver of the other car to do a driving improvement course which is fair enough. I would have thought that being so wound up you want to spit at another person and taking your eyes off the road for a period of time would warrant the same.
He is a despicable piece of shit. Also remember the time he threw a coin in the crowd and hit someone. His excuses all sound very familiar.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/2229335/carragher-apologises-for-coin-hurl


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 11:21:04
Nothing should detract from the fact, regardless of circumstances, that a young girl was on the receiving end of a face full of gob. Unpleasant in the extreme plus the associated health risk.

Sky have got rid of people before, just for comments made on air.
A quiet word and a slap on the wrist is not the answer in this case.
Agree that Carragher should've been sacked, especially given that he had previous.  His "employment" puts not only him but also his employer in the public eye.  The so-called parent who filmed it is not Carragher's issue.   

Comments made on air are just as much a sacking issue, imo.  They are directly related to the employment role.  Albeit not on Sky, who can forget Ron Atkinson's use of the "lazy, thick nigger" epithet for Marcel Desailly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 18, 2018, 21:33:12
That’s some scary figures for a club hovering above the drop

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/readingfc/16080812.Reading_FC__Club_s_debt_tumbles_by_almost___20m_according_to_latest_financial_figures/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 19, 2018, 00:07:12
That’s some scary figures for a club hovering above the drop

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/readingfc/16080812.Reading_FC__Club_s_debt_tumbles_by_almost___20m_according_to_latest_financial_figures/

Tis an interesting set of figures.

Considering every club in the Championship gets around £7mil regardless of position (not including parachute money). I think it's about £2.5m from the EFL basic payment and £4.5m "donation" from the Prem as some kind of bridging token. Don't shoot me down but I find it interesting that, it could be in some boards operating strategy to finish in the relegation places knowing full well they'd receive the same £7m as a team just staying up. A prime example would be Burton Albion. A small club who, while have done so well they can't sustain Championship levels on a consistent basis. I have heard that their chairman accepted earlier this season that it made more financial sense, to leave the Championship. Of course they'll lose some revenue from less sky games/sponsorship etc but Burton know they aren't a fashionable club. Not like nearby neighbours Leicester, Derby & Brum, of which their town falls kind of in the middle of those three and many support those teams instead.  They'll receive £7m to be in L1 and have a lot lower wage bill (obviously some will depend on contracts), bigger earners or those that believe they're good enough for the FLC will leave.

So with that in mind, looking at it as a business strategy, in football is it better financially to become a yo-yo club? Take ourselves, many are of opinion that Town should be a top end L1/Lower end Champ club and we've been very close in recent years to slipping up into the Championship. So would it benefit us (if we were to get into that position), well Lee Power, to be in that "great L1 team, not so good FLC team" scenario?

*I'm not for once suggesting that players, management and other club staff would necessarily support this ideal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 19, 2018, 08:55:58
 We lost our second tier status at the turn of the 20th Century and have never been back, despite several flirtations through the PO's.

We have, however, had 3 relegations to Div 4 in that period. Therefore it could be argued during that time we became a Div3/4 yo-yo club.  Now much of that period was characterised by excessive spending and debt.  It has been to Power's credit that he has stabilised the finances, on a more sustainable level, however it may mean we have to accept an alteration in our status.  Being sustainable at Div 4 level ought to be achievable, if we maintain roughly similar gates over the next years, but I really don't want to flirt with the Conference.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2018, 08:58:29
Tis an interesting set of figures.

Considering every club in the Championship gets around £7mil regardless of position (not including parachute money). I think it's about £2.5m from the EFL basic payment and £4.5m "donation" from the Prem as some kind of bridging token. Don't shoot me down but I find it interesting that, it could be in some boards operating strategy to finish in the relegation places knowing full well they'd receive the same £7m as a team just staying up. A prime example would be Burton Albion. A small club who, while have done so well they can't sustain Championship levels on a consistent basis. I have heard that their chairman accepted earlier this season that it made more financial sense, to leave the Championship. Of course they'll lose some revenue from less sky games/sponsorship etc but Burton know they aren't a fashionable club. Not like nearby neighbours Leicester, Derby & Brum, of which their town falls kind of in the middle of those three and many support those teams instead.  They'll receive £7m to be in L1 and have a lot lower wage bill (obviously some will depend on contracts), bigger earners or those that believe they're good enough for the FLC will leave.

So with that in mind, looking at it as a business strategy, in football is it better financially to become a yo-yo club? Take ourselves, many are of opinion that Town should be a top end L1/Lower end Champ club and we've been very close in recent years to slipping up into the Championship. So would it benefit us (if we were to get into that position), well Lee Power, to be in that "great L1 team, not so good FLC team" scenario?

*I'm not for once suggesting that players, management and other club staff would necessarily support this ideal.
But that only works if you stay in the Championship, if you get relegated you lose the money and run the risk of not "bouncing back up". Maybe there's something I'm missing but I'm not sure this theory holds together


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 19, 2018, 09:20:55
Yeovil being a prime example. Their brief stint in the Championship has really messed them up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:25:14
Like our brief spell in the Premier did to us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:26:24
Yeovil being a prime example. Their brief stint in the Championship has really messed them up.
No, having an owner who would not invest in the team fucked them up and creaming off the profits for his pocket to pay back his massive loans in getting them promoted cost them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:35:55
Like our brief spell in the Premier did to us.

👍


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:07:14
But that only works if you stay in the Championship, if you get relegated you lose the money and run the risk of not "bouncing back up". Maybe there's something I'm missing but I'm not sure this theory holds together

Similar to the West Brom approach a few years back with the Prem.  They didn't get dragged into the spend to stay up rush and bobbed for a couple of years pocketing the money, or at least gradually building up their squad.  It has then set them up for a good run until this season.  With Burton it will all depend on what happened to their playing budget.  If they just spent all the money it makes no difference, however, if they've invested in the club it might set them up for a few years to out perform still.

Basically, the opposite of Bristol City/Bournemouth who decided to go all in on the gamble.  One because they have a man willing to spunk the cash, and to be fair he has also invested in the infrastructure, the other was a proper gamble, as shown by the fact the stadium is still the same.

I'd imagine though that 20-22 out of the 24 in the Championship run a huge loss.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:10:23
Similar to the West Brom approach a few years back with the Prem. 
Not really. Parachute payments when getting relegated from the Prem are much bigger proportionate to the div you're dropping into and last for 4 years. So you have a much bigger distorting effect and a much longer period to gamble on getting back up. Whereas the parachute payment when dropping into L1 from the Championship is just 11% and lasts for 1 year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:15:41
Which is why I think it's only valid for a Burton, maybe a Barnsley for a bit.  The rest lose money hand over fist.  Burton could, could, have continued only spending about 2-3 million on wages, and then banked or invested the rest int he ground, training facilities, gradual increase in talent etc.  One season doing that would almost wipe our debt for example, not that it would be much fun I guess.  The risk with the lack of a parachute payment is you come down and become mediocre.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:34:41
Which is why I think it's only valid for a Burton, maybe a Barnsley for a bit.  The rest lose money hand over fist.  Burton could, could, have continued only spending about 2-3 million on wages, and then banked or invested the rest int he ground, training facilities, gradual increase in talent etc.  One season doing that would almost wipe our debt for example, not that it would be much fun I guess.  The risk with the lack of a parachute payment is you come down and become mediocre.

I'd say that Burton are atypical, in that they have a state of the art training facility in St George's Park which has probably given them an advantage (in getting where they are) to start with.
That, plus stability with management and, by all accounts, a sensible chairman should see them ok if relegated.
Don't know what the scale of their debt is, but would be surprised if it's anywhere near the level of similar sized clubs where the owners have splashed the cash.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 19, 2018, 12:56:25
I'd say that Burton are atypical, in that they have a state of the art training facility in St George's Park which has probably given them an advantage (in getting where they are) to start with.
That, plus stability with management and, by all accounts, a sensible chairman should see them ok if relegated.
Don't know what the scale of their debt is, but would be surprised if it's anywhere near the level of similar sized clubs where the owners have splashed the cash.

Hmmm, they don't have the facility though. They are granted use of the facilities (I admit that could/should help with some development and training). In terms of returns though, it belongs to the FA. The owners of Burton see no direct profits from that facility.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 19, 2018, 13:09:14
But that only works if you stay in the Championship, if you get relegated you lose the money and run the risk of not "bouncing back up". Maybe there's something I'm missing but I'm not sure this theory holds together

I guess that's the gamble some chairman/owners are willing to take though isn't it and It could be argued that done sensibly, you are limiting the risk. Is it not a similar gamble if an owner goes all in like Bristol City, Derby, and similar clubs in the Champ play-off hunt? On the gamble of a Premier League pay day? I know a good chunk of Derby fans and while they enjoy their attempts at getting in the top flight they do worry about the spending (yes, Mel Morris is very bloody rich and props their spending up), especially if the chairman decided he'd had enough fun and wanted out. Though I'm sure there are plenty wanting to step in and take them on as a business interest.

I suppose it's more difficult to look at this as a "football fan" rather than as, just an investor.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2018, 14:04:47
I suppose it's more difficult to look at this as a "football fan" rather than as, just an investor.
No I just don't think the argument makes any sense financially either. It's a very different discussion from yo-yoing between Prem and Championship where I could kind of see it making sense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 19, 2018, 15:12:11
Hmmm, they don't have the facility though. They are granted use of the facilities (I admit that could/should help with some development and training). In terms of returns though, it belongs to the FA. The owners of Burton see no direct profits from that facility.

It’s still a serious advantage at this level though, financial or not


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 19, 2018, 18:05:52
It’s still a serious advantage at this level though, financial or not

Oh absolutely but my original comment was about certain chairman and particular business strategy.  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, March 19, 2018, 20:15:42
No, having an owner who would not invest in the team fucked them up and creaming off the profits for his pocket to pay back his massive loans in getting them promoted cost them.

To a certain extent that's what Power has done since 2015, sold the best players from the 2014/15 side and repaid some of his earlier loans he put in post the Black era and Jed's  brief foray although since then he has had to put money back in.

The difference being in the Championship for even a season is you get bigger transfer fees for players who have played at that level so the couple of million for Luongo etc could become £5 million. Aden Flint has had two seasons in the Championship and look at his value now. Imagine if we had gone up in 2013 and played a season at that level with us and his value in this mid 20s compared to his late 20s now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 09:32:01
To a certain extent that's what Power has done since 2015, sold the best players from the 2014/15 side and repaid some of his earlier loans he put in post the Black era and Jed's  brief foray although since then he has had to put money back in.

The difference being in the Championship for even a season is you get bigger transfer fees for players who have played at that level so the couple of million for Luongo etc could become £5 million. Aden Flint has had two seasons in the Championship and look at his value now. Imagine if we had gone up in 2013 and played a season at that level with us and his value in this mid 20s compared to his late 20s now.
And in the meantime the money fairy has continued to pay the wages and bills the club has coming in  ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ferret on Tuesday, March 20, 2018, 21:24:58
The Morecambe vs Colchester attendance. 893.

I expect you’d have to go back a while to match that in the FL.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 10:47:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43484557

Play better football, don't park the bus in home games and not having an obnoxious and slowly going round the bend manager would appear the easy wins here?  :hmmm: :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 10:55:22
The Morecambe vs Colchester attendance. 893.

I expect you’d have to go back a while to match that in the FL.

Beats the 880 at Sealand Road for Chester v Town in 84.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ferret on Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 18:45:07
The Morecambe vs Colchester attendance. 893.

I expect you’d have to go back a while to match that in the FL.

Apparently it's the lowest in the FL since Wimbledon fans were boycotting in around 2002.

And the lowest in the 4th division since Doncaster were in crisis in the 90s.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 23:34:15
http://www.footballshirtculture.com/17/18-Kits/las-vegas-lights-2018-blk-home-kit.html

Christ :headhurts:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, March 22, 2018, 00:35:29
http://www.footballshirtculture.com/17/18-Kits/las-vegas-lights-2018-blk-home-kit.html

Christ :headhurts:

 :suicide: hideous


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 22, 2018, 12:11:39
http://www.footballshirtculture.com/17/18-Kits/las-vegas-lights-2018-blk-home-kit.html

Christ :headhurts:
Jesus wept. Whoever designed that should have their crayons confiscated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 22, 2018, 12:13:45
Jesus wept. Whoever designed that should have their crayons confiscated.
Oh Lord thats appalling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 22, 2018, 14:26:59
Oh Lord thats appalling.

Trashy, plastic and a massive facade. Quite an apt shirt for a team with Las Vegas in it's name  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 22, 2018, 14:32:53
Trashy, plastic and a massive facade. Quite an apt shirt for a team with Las Vegas in it's name  :D
True, it still looks like something drawn by my 10 year old autistic nephew though :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 13:21:27
A maths professor has calculated it's likely to cost £773-60 to complete this year's Panini World Cup sticker book! Not counting 'swapsies', of course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43566749


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 28, 2018, 14:18:43
A maths professor has calculated it's likely to cost £773-60 to complete this year's Panini World Cup sticker book! Not counting 'swapsies', of course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43566749

Imagine what it will cost from 2026, when Infantino has got it expanded to 48 teams. I'm not sure this WC will be proper, but it might just about be... after this it will descend to farce.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, April 2, 2018, 16:33:08
The football league writing to the Accrington owner after he said he gives the team £200 to buy a McDonald’s when they win. With it not being in the contracts they’ve asked him to explain himself.
Laughable
Maybe Power should give it a go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43617974


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 2, 2018, 16:42:07
Surely the EFL should have more pressing issues?

Pathetic.

Hope the Accy chairman sends them a big mac container full of shir


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, April 2, 2018, 16:54:40
I'd love the Accrington chairman as ours. Always seems to talk sense and not afraid to ruffle a few feathers. A bit envious of their league position as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 2, 2018, 18:02:56
Surely the EFL should have more pressing issues?

Pathetic.

Hope the Accy chairman sends them a big mac container full of shir

It is not a million miles away from what we got done for, but on a smaller scale.  HMRC might even take an interest.  Any payment in kind, if someone was to determine it was that, would have tax implications.  We just used brown paper bags with a few notes in rather than chicken nuggets.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 09:20:40
It is not a million miles away from what we got done for, but on a smaller scale.  HMRC might even take an interest.  Any payment in kind, if someone was to determine it was that, would have tax implications.  We just used brown paper bags with a few notes in rather than chicken nuggets.

Is it a payment in kind though, on the same basis I have got royally rat arsed on various employers over the years when we have had a success, I assume that should all be declared via self assessment at least?

The HMRC are already stretched to buggery, before they also become part of the customs set up post Brexit, they having to investigate every employer for giving the staff a treat is going to take them wy beyond breaking point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 09:59:35
Just relegate the fuckers by two divisions or a hefty points deduction.

Anything that will enable us to move up a place.  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 12:23:17
Is it a payment in kind though, on the same basis I have got royally rat arsed on various employers over the years when we have had a success, I assume that should all be declared via self assessment at least?

The HMRC are already stretched to buggery, before they also become part of the customs set up post Brexit, they having to investigate every employer for giving the staff a treat is going to take them wy beyond breaking point.

Technically speaking it probably should be declared, even more so if it is regular, which it seems it is.  I'm being pedantic though, using it to compare to the crazy punishment we received for something every business probably has going on, let alone football clubs.  It does beg the question about player fitness though - Accrington are top despite eating burgers and getting smashed at a free bar all season :-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 18:45:27
Surely the EFL should have more pressing issues?

Pathetic.

Hope the Accy chairman sends them a big mac container full of shir
I must admit, my first thought was 'I wonder how close this is to what we were done for?' Probably something of nothing though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 3, 2018, 18:49:41
I guess if we had been giving our players bales of hay as bribes it would have been closer.

But we were giving them envelopes with cold hard cash in them, strikes me as a very different thing than buying them a burger when they win.

Most clubs feed their players at the training ground, does that have to be declared?
(albeit I guess they do that whether they win or not, unless it's steak if you win, SPAM if you don't)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 5, 2018, 11:50:28
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43630062

We would probably get demoted three divisions if we did this.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, April 5, 2018, 12:45:25
With the Accy chairman, does it make any difference that he's (apparently) paid them out of his own cash rather than the club account? Or does it all fall into a grey area?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, April 5, 2018, 15:18:07
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43630062

We would probably get demoted three divisions if we did this.....

To be fair though, there are some Sad Sacks out there that would just create a twitter account to claim they are that guy. It adds uncertainty straight away with the start of the tweet "ngl I only got a twitter because I made it onto BBCSport..."

Could be a fake account. Still seems odd that Biggleswade were ignorant to the suggested players whereabouts. We all know that ignorance to the law is not an excuse. #SmyteThemDown  :pint:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 6, 2018, 12:57:19
The football league writing to the Accrington owner after he said he gives the team £200 to buy a McDonald’s when they win....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43617974

Who'd have thunk it...Good news everyone!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43669872


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, April 6, 2018, 13:26:19
Who'd have thunk it...Good news everyone!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43669872

Who need sports science and dieticians in the modern game.
The burger is the new marginal gain!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 19, 2018, 21:15:13
Did anyone see this from German football

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/german-football-fan-arrested-for-12131214.amp?b=&__twitter_impression=true

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 19, 2018, 22:04:46
I see the Turkish cup game between Fenerbahce and Besiktas was abandoned as the Besiktas manager was hit by a seat thrown by the Fenerbahce fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 20, 2018, 09:14:24
Did anyone see this from German football

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/german-football-fan-arrested-for-12131214.amp?b=&__twitter_impression=true
I don't think I've ever enjoyed a game of football quite *that* much


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Friday, April 20, 2018, 10:11:39
tbf, Schalke moved up to second in the League.

Wonder if Audrey might commit to doing this if STFC ever does the same?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, April 20, 2018, 18:42:26
Did anyone see this from German football

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/german-football-fan-arrested-for-12131214.amp?b=&__twitter_impression=true

Sent from my HTC U11

We've all done it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 20, 2018, 21:28:42
tbf, Schalke moved up to second in the League.

Wonder if Audrey might commit to doing this if STFC ever does the same?
Give me a 5-0 over the piss stains and I’d be jerking like a monkey up a mango tree


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 15:11:20
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/24/russia-neo-nazi-football-hooligans-world-cup

A disturbing read, not just for those thinking of going to this summer's World Cup, but also in terms of the broader implications for their potential use as "deniable" tools in Russia's ever-growing strategy of provoking tensions with it's neighbours etc. There's a long and unpleasant tradition of hooligan gangs being used as political proxies in the region going back to the Balkan Wars of the 90s when the hooligan gangs were used by both Serb and Croat extremists both to provoke much of the initial tensions and then to provide the recruits for some of the more extreme militias.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 20:58:30
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/24/russia-neo-nazi-football-hooligans-world-cup

A disturbing read, not just for those thinking of going to this summer's World Cup, but also in terms of the broader implications for their potential use as "deniable" tools in Russia's ever-growing strategy of provoking tensions with it's neighbours etc. There's a long and unpleasant tradition of hooligan gangs being used as political proxies in the region going back to the Balkan Wars of the 90s when the hooligan gangs were used by both Serb and Croat extremists both to provoke much of the initial tensions and then to provide the recruits for some of the more extreme militias.

Where did you get the stuff about the balkans from, out of interest? I know Red Star's firm were involved in overthrowing Milosevic, but that was later after the national bombing of Kosovo and goes somewhat against them being at the behest of the state. Not that they couldn't have changed sides of course.

Neo-nazis in Russia goes way beyond football in my opinion, and in much the same way as there was a focus in this country on the far-right influence on the terraces, its perhaps missing the point that they are more a reflection of society at large.

Besides, the police are almost always the largest crew in any town or city, and the first call when it comes to stamping out dissent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 25, 2018, 08:51:28
As hooliganism seems to be mostly a thing of the past in the UK, it seems to be getting worse overseas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 25, 2018, 09:09:24
Where did you get the stuff about the balkans from, out of interest? I know Red Star's firm were involved in overthrowing Milosevic, but that was later after the national bombing of Kosovo and goes somewhat against them being at the behest of the state. Not that they couldn't have changed sides of course.
Arkan's "Tigers" one of the most murderous and brutal of the Serb militias came directly from Red Star's hooligans:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/16/balkans3

There were other hooligan-related/evolved Serb miltias, albeit less notorious and less of a direct one-to-one relationship and there were parallel examples on the Croat side e.g Dinamo's "Bad Blue Boys"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/76141-a-real-football-war-the-croatian-patriotic-war

Quote
Neo-nazis in Russia goes way beyond football in my opinion, and in much the same way as there was a focus in this country on the far-right influence on the terraces, its perhaps missing the point that they are more a reflection of society at large.
Actually the article makes precisely that point. The far right have always used football as a recruiting tool here and on the continent, from the NF in the 70s through to the EDL and "Football Lads' Alliance" of today. The same direct use of football and hooliganism as a recruiting tool for far right political street muscle as outlined in the article is also happening much more blatantly in Poland and Ukraine.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 25, 2018, 09:10:57
As hooliganism seems to be mostly a thing of the past in the UK, it seems to be getting worse overseas.

Seems the guy attacked in Liverpool last night is still not doing great, although appears the suggestions all over Twitter that he had been stabbed were wide of the mark.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43883201


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Amir on Wednesday, April 25, 2018, 10:57:44
Arkan's "Tigers" one of the most murderous and brutal of the Serb militias came directly from Red Star's hooligans:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/16/balkans3

There were other hooligan-related/evolved Serb miltias, albeit less notorious and less of a direct one-to-one relationship and there were parallel examples on the Croat side e.g Dinamo's "Bad Blue Boys"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/76141-a-real-football-war-the-croatian-patriotic-war

Thanks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 25, 2018, 11:01:20
Thanks.
There's probably better write-ups tbh, think I first read about it in WSC in early 2000s but couldn't find a link


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 30, 2018, 12:29:09
EFL are voting in June as to whether matchday programmes should no longer be mandatory. They are seen, for some clubs, as a money loser.

If they vote yes, clubs will have to promote the EFL’s sponsorship partners via an alternative media.

TBH, I didn’t realise they were mandatory. But for clubs with a small attendance the cost must be prohibitive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 30, 2018, 12:43:13
EFL are voting in June as to whether matchday programmes should no longer be mandatory. They are seen, for some clubs, as a money loser.

If they vote yes, clubs will have to promote the EFL’s sponsorship partners via an alternative media.

TBH, I didn’t realise they were mandatory. But for clubs with a small attendance the cost must be prohibitive.

Who actually buys them anymore, I must confess I tend to do so, but then again its a ) a habit and b)  I probably got to 2-3 away games a year and that's it!

Always used to be for team sheet, but you can get that online before kick off these days anyway?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 30, 2018, 12:59:44
Coincidentally, both Power and Diamandis have made money out of producing programmes for football clubs. Don't know how well the clubs did out of it, but they did quite nicely


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 30, 2018, 14:35:15
Why not integrate the programme fee into the ticket cost?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, April 30, 2018, 14:36:33
Because not everyone buys or even wants a program. I certainly don't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 30, 2018, 14:51:47
Because not everyone buys or even wants a program. I certainly don't.

Maybe not but if the wording was along the lines of "free program with every ticket" you'd have the choice to take it or not.

Shame Jayo - I thought you were really interested to know what socks Steve White was wearing, under his Town socks at Wembley v Leicester...  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, April 30, 2018, 14:58:30
Back in the day, programs were great to get insight on what clubs and player are up to, etc etc. Now its all over twitter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 30, 2018, 16:48:10
Why did the conversation switch to something about computers?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, April 30, 2018, 17:46:01
Why did the conversation switch to something about computers?

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, April 30, 2018, 19:25:56
I don't think it's the most outrageous thing to suggest that football programmes are dated and probably belong to a bygone era now.

Keep them for cup finals et al.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 30, 2018, 19:36:01
et al = top half finish in division 4?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, April 30, 2018, 20:05:36
et al = top half finish in division 4?

Middle of the road Egyptian club... 

After Salah it might be worth looking at Egypt for talent.... we got the wrong Mo in El-Gabas. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Monday, April 30, 2018, 22:19:46
Middle of the road Egyptian club... 

After Salah it might be worth looking at Egypt for talent.... we got the wrong Mo in El-Gabas. 

I used to envy your memory, but the fact you remember players like MEG reminds me I'm quite lucky to have partial amnesia.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 06:15:09
el gabas, the name is familiar but I couldn't tell you even who he played for without looking him up, I'm guessing Malpas or Wilson.

gives me an idea for a quiz, whose manager is it anyway... nah maybe not

edit: Williams... brain you have got to be shitting me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 06:16:50
I think he was a PDC signing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 08:57:17
I think he was a PDC signing.

Looking at the dates, possibly a Cooper signing - didn't PDC go at the start of 2013?

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=ELGABASM

Looking at our manager list we have now had 10 managers (inc Caretakers) since PDC....


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 09:23:43
you're right, cooper signed 20th August, el gabbas 31st


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 09:34:31
Looking at the dates, possibly a Cooper signing - didn't PDC go at the start of 2013?

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=ELGABASM

Looking at our manager list we have now had 10 managers (inc Caretakers) since PDC....


A Power signing....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 09:51:04
A Power signing....

When did Power actually roll up and start to have any influence, August would have been during the Rooooaaarrrr period?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 10:27:57
yeah, Jedtastic.

Power seems to have become a director of the FC in 1/8/13, so not impossible he was calling shots I suppose


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 1, 2018, 11:58:47
Possibly should be in the managerial thread but just shows how bollocks modern football is...

Murty has been sacked. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43961178 now the way Rangers and the media have been wanking over Gerard I assumed he had been sacked weeks back, and clubs witter on about loyalty!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 11:30:33
Good piece in today's Graun on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/may/02/steven-gerrard-foolish-manager-dysfunctional-rangers

I especially enjoyed "Barring delusion or huge ego, Gerrard must realise he would be pitching up at the OK Corral with a utensil from the Early Learning Centre"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 11:36:13
:) Nice metaphor.

Gordon Strachan was slightly less articulate on Talksport about it all. He said you think you know, you think you can handle it, but ultimately its not that easy. Oh and he mentioned John Barnes, obviously.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 11:37:47
I don't think it's the most outrageous thing to suggest that football programmes are dated and probably belong to a bygone era now.

Keep them for cup finals et al.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/01/traditional-programme-demise-memories-threatened


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 11:50:36
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/01/traditional-programme-demise-memories-threatened

He's one of our own, he's one of our oooooowwwn


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 11:59:26
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/01/traditional-programme-demise-memories-threatened
At £10+ a time don't think many people can afford them after paying Wembley prices for tickets/parking/food etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 12:04:43
At £10+ a time don't think many people can afford them after paying Wembley prices for tickets/parking/food etc.

I'll weep a tear when they go. Even if I never look at them, they are a living record on my shelf of every English game I've ever been to. I've started going to Red Star these days, and am distressed they don't do programmes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 12:27:06
I'll weep a tear when they go. Even if I never look at them, they are a living record on my shelf of every English game I've ever been to. I've started going to Red Star these days, and am distressed they don't do programmes.

I had a quiz question recently. Which Paris based side won Ligue Un, in 35/36.  I went Red Star on the basis of not knowing any others, but the answer was Racing Club. Apparently still going.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 12:55:24
I had a quiz question recently. Which Paris based side won Ligue Un, in 35/36.  I went Red Star on the basis of not knowing any others, but the answer was Racing Club. Apparently still going.

You have got to wonder how London can sustain 12 professional league clubs and Paris 1 or 2?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 13:01:14
I had a quiz question recently. Which Paris based side won Ligue Un, in 35/36.  I went Red Star on the basis of not knowing any others, but the answer was Racing Club. Apparently still going.

Didn't know they were, but you're right, though only amateur at the fifth level now. I watched them in Ligue 1 when they shared the Parc des Princes with PSG in the late 80s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Club_de_France_football_Colombes_92

Red Star have won the National this year, which means they'll go up to L2 next season, though regrettably probably at the cost of having to play away from St Ouen again, which will drive down crowds. The atmosphere in the shed at Stade Bauer is proper old skool.

The one that no-one notices is Paris FC, formed in 1969, who originally had more fans than PSG, and who are on their way back with a likely top-ten finish in L2 this year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 13:10:00
You have got to wonder how London can sustain 12 professional league clubs and Paris 1 or 2?

Just isn't in the culture here. PSG generally get 45k, Paris FC in L2 and Red Star in the National (level 3) each get 2-3k, and Créteil about 1000 in the National. And that's it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 14:09:59
The one that no-one notices is Paris FC, formed in 1969, who originally had more fans than PSG, and who are on their way back with a likely top-ten finish in L2 this year.
I thought Paris were one of the clubs that merged with St Germain to form PSG? Is this a breakaway "Continuity Paris FC" or a completely different outfit?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 14:30:15
I thought Paris were one of the clubs that merged with St Germain to form PSG? Is this a breakaway "Continuity Paris FC" or a completely different outfit?

Good spot PD. Yes, Paris FC merged with Stade St Germain in 1970, but a continuity faction split off and has had a mostly amateur existence until it got some investment about five years back. It was promoted to L2 last year and plays in the smart but soulless Charléty stadium in the south-east of the city.

We favour Red Star because of its long history, wonderfully crappy stadium and left-leaning support, whereas part of PFC's base are right-wing ultras.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 14:37:20
Good spot PD. Yes, Paris FC merged with Stade St Germain in 1970, but a continuity faction split off and has had a mostly amateur existence until it got some investment about five years back. It was promoted to L2 last year and plays in the smart but soulless Charléty stadium in the south-east of the city.

We favour Red Star because of its long history, wonderfully crappy stadium and left-leaning support, whereas part of PFC's base are right-wing ultras.


So really in some sense of it all, PSG are no better than the likes of Franchise. Paris FC are the French version of AFC Wimbledon (or vice versa).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 14:45:09

So really in some sense of it all, PSG are no better than the likes of Franchise. Paris FC are the French version of AFC Wimbledon (or vice versa).

When Canal + wanted to show football on French TV, they figured a Paris team was needed, so bought and promoted PSG.

This was much the same way that Murdoch tried to buy ManUre for Sky, but was blocked here by the then Labour government.

PSG didn't pull up Euro trees for Canal +, so were flogged off just before the banker's 08 crash.  Eventually being bought up by the Qataris.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 14:53:48
I'll weep a tear when they go. Even if I never look at them, they are a living record on my shelf of every English game I've ever been to. I've started going to Red Star these days, and am distressed they don't do programmes.
Red Star - been my favourite French team since they signed Frédéric Darras. I used to go to watch them regularly when I lived in Paris (late 90s to 2008). Yep, just promoted back to Ligue 2.....and strolling away with the league title now.

I'm always disappointed by the lack of programme at French games, but then again, apart from a few teams in the top league the French have never been that hot at exploiting the fans financially. Don't know how much it costs nowadays to get into Red Star but the last game I went to (away at Luçon a couple of years ago) it was peanuts - it cost less for 5 of us than 1 ticket at Swindon for example (and, incidentally, we swelled the Red Star support that night from 13 to 18. Hameur Bouazza played for Red Star at the time). I think the most I've ever got that could be called a programme at a French game is a tatty old piece of paper with a few adverts and the team line-ups.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 16:07:30
Red Star - been my favourite French team since they signed Frédéric Darras. I used to go to watch them regularly when I lived in Paris (late 90s to 2008). Yep, just promoted back to Ligue 2.....and strolling away with the league title now.

I'm always disappointed by the lack of programme at French games, but then again, apart from a few teams in the top league the French have never been that hot at exploiting the fans financially. Don't know how much it costs nowadays to get into Red Star but the last game I went to (away at Luçon a couple of years ago) it was peanuts - it cost less for 5 of us than 1 ticket at Swindon for example (and, incidentally, we swelled the Red Star support that night from 13 to 18. Hameur Bouazza played for Red Star at the time). I think the most I've ever got that could be called a programme at a French game is a tatty old piece of paper with a few adverts and the team line-ups.

It costs 7 euros this year to stand in the shed. Feels very like being back in the Shrivvy. Will be among the 3000 there for the end of season celebration against Lyon Duchère on Friday night.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 18:40:41
The fact that some dickhead on TV said last night that after reaching the CL final, Real are going for an unprecedented third consecutive win.

Completely ignoring the fact that they, Bayern & Ajax have all done it in the past


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 19:38:00
The fact that some dickhead on TV said last night that after reaching the CL final, Real are going for an unprecedented third consecutive win.

Completely ignoring the fact that they, Bayern & Ajax have all done it in the past
Probably means since it reverted to the Champions League which is possibly the most farcical name of a competition ever.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 20:20:47
BT making out Roma still have a chance in this game.

Need 4 goals in 13 minutes ffs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 2, 2018, 20:39:20
BT making out Roma still have a chance in this game.

Need 4 goals in 13 minutes ffs

7-6 on aggregate in the end, same as our game v Sheff U.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 08:45:54
BT making out Roma still have a chance in this game.

Need 4 goals in 13 minutes ffs
Yet they ended up 1 goal off taking it to extra time. Always got a chance against a defence like that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 08:50:33
Yet they ended up 1 goal off taking it to extra time. Always got a chance against a defence like that

It could have been argued that Roma should have had a penalty and Alexander-Arnold sent off on 65 minutes (granted that it would have been harsh) which really would have set the cat amongst the pigeons.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:00:45
The fact that some dickhead on TV said last night that after reaching the CL final, Real are going for an unprecedented third consecutive win.

Completely ignoring the fact that they, Bayern & Ajax have all done it in the past

You have to remember the rules, domestic football didn't exist until the Premier League was launched, and likewise European football and the Champions League.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:02:03
It could have been argued that Roma should have had a penalty and Alexander-Arnold sent off on 65 minutes (granted that it would have been harsh) which really would have set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Indeed, although if a penalty against Alexander-Arnold would have been harsh, what the fuck was the one in injury time, at this rate to avoid defenders giving penalties away they are going to have to chop their arms off?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:04:04
Indeed, although if a penalty against Alexander-Arnold would have been harsh, what the fuck was the one in injury time, at this rate to avoid defenders giving penalties away they are going to have to chop their arms off?
That's why they all started doing that thing of sticking their arms behind their backs, looked like they were doing some kind of ridiculous country dancing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:06:14
That's why they all started doing that thing of sticking their arms behind their backs, looked like they were doing some kind of ridiculous country dancing

Its not surprising if a player from 2 yards away can leather the ball at your arm which is down by your side and its a penalty.... The arms off is the only solution, marginal gains and all that although could make throw ins difficult?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:20:21
Its not surprising if a player from 2 yards away can leather the ball at your arm which is down by your side and its a penalty.... The arms off is the only solution, marginal gains and all that although could make throw ins difficult?
The defender of the future (although that challenge is clearly a pen):
(https://wgp-cdn.co.uk/TTG/png/black-knight-92516/600/600/)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:23:49
The defender of the future (although that challenge is clearly a pen):
(https://wgp-cdn.co.uk/TTG/png/black-knight-92516/600/600/)

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 09:46:11
Indeed, although if a penalty against Alexander-Arnold would have been harsh, what the fuck was the one in injury time, at this rate to avoid defenders giving penalties away they are going to have to chop their arms off?

I couldn't agree more, handball is such a tough thing to police. Is it Ball to hand or hand to ball?

When the ball is crossed into the box at such pace, it always looks accidental but in slow motion looks deliberate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 10:22:42
the refs basically learn the handball rule off EA FIFA .

its the only explanation.

Neither of the two given against Liverpool should have been.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 15:15:16
I remember Hoddle juggling the ball in the Notts county penalty area and basically kicking it on to the defenders hand to get us a penalty.  I think we beat them 5 nil or 5 - 1 that day so it didnt matter.

Its all dodgy decisions with handball.  The first leg penalty was really harsh as was that one last night.  All slightly odd refereeing.  I did like Van Dijks response when asked about it.  A very dutch 'Who cares' with proper Schteeve Mclaren intonation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, May 3, 2018, 19:45:56
I remember Hoddle juggling the ball in the Notts county penalty area and basically kicking it on to the defenders hand to get us a penalty.  I think we beat them 5 nil or 5 - 1 that day so it didnt matter.

Its all dodgy decisions with handball.  The first leg penalty was really harsh as was that one last night.  All slightly odd refereeing.  I did like Van Dijks response when asked about it.  A very dutch 'Who cares' with proper Schteeve Mclaren intonation.


Except in this instance, at least Virgil Van Dijk is actually Dutch. Unlike the WWTB.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, May 10, 2018, 22:02:50
As if we didn’t already know he’s scum of the scum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 17, 2018, 18:45:51
Jesus.

https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/football/Sporting-Lisbon-shock-after-horrific-gang-attack/1102-4564974-10m2mhwz/index.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, May 17, 2018, 19:50:28
Jesus.

https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/football/Sporting-Lisbon-shock-after-horrific-gang-attack/1102-4564974-10m2mhwz/index.html

That's definitely not good.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 18, 2018, 08:13:53
Exeter fans assaulting the 78 year old Lincoln kit man and trouble between the fans after the game too.

idiotic wankers, always thought Exeter fans seemed quite pleasant but I guess a trip to Wembley can mar some fans judgement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 18, 2018, 08:21:05
Exeter fans assaulting the 78 year old Lincoln kit man and trouble between the fans after the game too.

idiotic wankers, always thought Exeter fans seemed quite pleasant but I guess a trip to Wembley can mar some fans judgement.
There's all always be a few no matter which club it is. Such a shame.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 18, 2018, 08:24:06
There's all always be a few no matter which club it is. Such a shame.
Unfortunately so.

High stakes game+alcohol+occassional attendance supporters=problems.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 18, 2018, 08:55:58
Exeter fans assaulting the 78 year old Lincoln kit man and trouble between the fans after the game too.

idiotic wankers, always thought Exeter fans seemed quite pleasant but I guess a trip to Wembley can mar some fans judgement.

Lincoln fans can be a bit...special. Surprised its Exeter this time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Friday, May 18, 2018, 10:36:12

An ex steward told me that the worst supporters he encountered at the CG were Lincoln.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 18, 2018, 10:45:22
Exeter fans assaulting the 78 year old Lincoln kit man and trouble between the fans after the game too.

idiotic wankers, always thought Exeter fans seemed quite pleasant but I guess a trip to Wembley can mar some fans judgement.
Entirely possible it's not even regular fans, just day trippers giving the proper fans a bad name


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 18, 2018, 12:04:23
An ex steward told me that the worst supporters he encountered at the CG were Lincoln.

What, worse than those Cardiff fans that attacked anything that moved, including kids?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 18, 2018, 12:10:46
What, worse than those Cardiff fans that attacked anything that moved, including kids?
When I was a steward the Cardiff fans were by miles the worst I ever faced in 10 years of stewarding, Pox fans were pussies in comparison.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Friday, May 18, 2018, 12:20:43
What, worse than those Cardiff fans that attacked anything that moved, including kids?

Maybe he wasn't there that day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, May 23, 2018, 11:11:24
An interesting update on what's going on behind the scenes at Northampton:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44223738


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 23, 2018, 12:14:47
An interesting update on what's going on behind the scenes at Northampton:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44223738

Trying to put pressure on the council or genuinely off?

Can't really blame the council given the missing 10M though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 23, 2018, 12:58:07
Whether they like it or not, the "club" diddled the Council out of 10 million.  Can't really blame the Council for not being forthcoming with any help.  You'd have been nuts to take the club on thinking otherwise, which is probably why they took it at all.  Cheap investment with a potential hope of getting a bailout in sympathy giving them a nice new development for their 150k investment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, May 23, 2018, 13:11:12
Just listened back to the phone in. It's clear to me he was blaming budget for binning off Amine, rather than lamenting his slashed budget.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 23, 2018, 13:33:07
He hasn’t binned him, though. Contract on reduced terms. If he wanted him out he wouldn’t have offered jack shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, May 23, 2018, 13:47:54
He hasn’t binned him, though. Contract on reduced terms. If he wanted him out he wouldn’t have offered jack shit.

Sorry, this was obviously in the wrong thread but.... the point is we'll take him as 4th choice on 4th choice money. Like it or lump it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 4, 2018, 20:38:28
Loris Karius diagnosed as having been concussed early on in the CL final. Poor git will never live down that performance and he shouldn't have been on the pitch full stop. When you look at the difference between how other sports handle concussions and how football barely even acknowledges that they happen, it's remarkable.

No prizes for guessing who was involved in him picking it up...



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 4, 2018, 21:21:21
concussed....riiiiiiiight...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, June 4, 2018, 21:26:17
Should be easy to pick up from the many camera angles at the game particularly as they can narrow down the time to a few minutes before the first goal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, June 4, 2018, 22:07:23
Loris Karius diagnosed as having been concussed early on in the CL final. Poor git will never live down that performance and he shouldn't have been on the pitch full stop. When you look at the difference between how other sports handle concussions and how football barely even acknowledges that they happen, it's remarkable.

No prizes for guessing who was involved in him picking it up...



SR


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 12:07:02
Loris Karius diagnosed as having been concussed early on in the CL final. Poor git will never live down that performance and he shouldn't have been on the pitch full stop. When you look at the difference between how other sports handle concussions and how football barely even acknowledges that they happen, it's remarkable.

No prizes for guessing who was involved in him picking it up...
Hmm, big part of me is thinking "Yeah, right, concussion, sure" but it would explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable way he messed up on both goals ("What Benzema?" "Which of the 3 balls should I try to flap at then?"). But if it is true and not just a BS excuse, it's a shocking indictment on both Liverpool and UEFA's medical staff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 12:38:31
Hmm, big part of me is thinking "Yeah, right, concussion, sure" but it would explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable way he messed up on both goals ("What Benzema?" "Which of the 3 balls should I try to flap at then?"). But if it is true and not just a BS excuse, it's a shocking indictment on both Liverpool and UEFA's medical staff.

Having been concussed a couple of time playing football I can sort of believe it as in both cases it only really became apparent to me a couple of days after the event and only really with hindsight was I aware of the immediate effects.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 12:51:58
Hmm, big part of me is thinking "Yeah, right, concussion, sure" but it would explain the otherwise seemingly inexplicable way he messed up on both goals ("What Benzema?" "Which of the 3 balls should I try to flap at then?"). But if it is true and not just a BS excuse, it's a shocking indictment on both Liverpool and UEFA's medical staff.

It baffles me why football is fo far behind other sports on this.  Rugby, seen as a bit ore physical and therefore the players are expected to be a bit harder, has taken the entire process out of the hands of players and physio's, and even Dr's if they lose consciousness.

It's amazing the amount of times you watch games where a player is out cold and then 10 minutes later allowed to carry on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 12:56:18
Having been concussed a couple of time playing football I can sort of believe it as in both cases it only really became apparent to me a couple of days after the event and only really with hindsight was I aware of the immediate effects.
Yes, but then you're not a qualified medical professional. As Rob says, football is, as usual, miles behind on this. The FA's guidelines on handling concussion are a fig-leaf and little more


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 13:37:10
Yes, but then you're not a qualified medical professional

How do you know that?  :hmmm:  ;)

I suppose the point I was making is that people arguing that its bollocks as it didn't come out on the night are rather missing the point, notice that news today suggests that he felt a bit shit on holiday and was referred to the hospital by the club.

I know that Rugby physio's are trained to look for it etc, are football ones, I don't think he even had treatment for injury on the night so perhaps unfair to lay it at the door of the physio or club?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 13:51:56
How do you know that?  :hmmm:  ;)
Because you keep telling everyone you're a planner. Yes, I know you might have had a career change but I've gone out on a limb here :)

I don't think he even had treatment for injury on the night so perhaps unfair to lay it at the door of the physio or club?
Actually, that's why I said it was a shocking indictment of Liverpool and UEFA's medical staff. Either he was treated on the night and they didn't spot it, or he wasn't and should have been. Or the whole thing is a bullshit excuse and they're doing a Jose (hanging the medical staff out to dry to make up for fuck up by playing staff)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 15:10:42
Actually, that's why I said it was a shocking indictment of Liverpool and UEFA's medical staff. Either he was treated on the night and they didn't spot it, or he wasn't and should have been. Or the whole thing is a bullshit excuse and they're doing a Jose (hanging the medical staff out to dry to make up for fuck up by playing staff)

I didn't actually see the incident as I had lost interest in the game by then, however from the replays I saw I don't thing the commentators or anyone really made a big deal about it?

I know one of the times it happened to me it barely registered at the time that it had happened (just felt like a minor bang on the top of my head which have happened hundreds of times before and after) but a couple of days afterwards I was rough as fuck and at the doctors.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 15:59:46
I didn't actually see the incident as I had lost interest in the game by then, however from the replays I saw I don't thing the commentators or anyone really made a big deal about it?
Again though, just because commentators aren't making a big deal out of it, doesn't mean that medical staff shouldn't be thinking "Uh, oh, probably at least need to have a quick look at him". Likewise, not trying to gainsay your own experience, but saying you didn't notice your own symptoms is a bit like me saying when I had glandular fever I thought it was a cold at first- it doesn't mean you wouldn't expect a doctor to notice. I dunno, maybe they wouldn't have been able to tell, maybe it is just Liverpool trying to rehabilitate his reputation but generally concussion does not seem to be an area football has really got to grips with.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 16:07:11
Again though, just because commentators aren't making a big deal out of it, doesn't mean that medical staff shouldn't be thinking "Uh, oh, probably at least need to have a quick look at him". Likewise, not trying to gainsay your own experience, but saying you didn't notice your own symptoms is a bit like me saying when I had glandular fever I thought it was a cold at first- it doesn't mean you wouldn't expect a doctor to notice. I dunno, maybe they wouldn't have been able to tell, maybe it is just Liverpool trying to rehabilitate his reputation but generally concussion does not seem to be an area football has really got to grips with.
Goes the opposite way with me. I've got fever and every other fucker says it's a cold. Unsympathetic uneducated bastards.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 16:08:54
Goes the opposite way with me. I've got fever and every other fucker says it's a cold. Unsympathetic uneducated bastards.
Well, that's man flu, the one disease any adult male is infinitely more qualified to diagnose than any so-called medical professional :) Karius should consider himself lucky if he only had concussion, man flu could have ended his career right there and then .... oh ....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 16:20:11
Out of interest how does someone diagnose concussion? As aren't all the signs (Except for being KO'd) dependant on the victim saying he has headaches/feels dizzy/ confusion etc. If for example Karius says he feels fine and there was no obvious heavy collision or reason to question his responses how is it anyones fault.

I also dont think concussion is a reason for throwing a ball straight at Benzema, he managed to make other saves during the match. He failed to punch Bales shot clear when he did the same in the Roma game and multiple examples in other premier league games. He has poor technique in dealing with distance shots, he got caught out and has been caught out before.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 16:30:04
By getting them off the pitch and testing a series of mental and motor functions, balance etc.  This is the issue with football, where rules do not exist to allow for the assessment.  Being out cold is a dead cert though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, June 6, 2018, 16:27:01
http://www.footballshirtculture.com/17/18-Kits/las-vegas-lights-2018-blk-home-kit.html

Christ :headhurts:

Remember this? Well...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44380883

 ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 6, 2018, 16:47:43
Remember this? Well...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44380883

 ???
Didn't it come out that he was actually 4 or 5 years older than he told the officials when he signed his first career?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, June 8, 2018, 11:17:52
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44414487

Quote from: BBC Football
Premier League clubs will have a winter break in February from the 2019-20 season, the Football Association has announced.

The break will be staggered across two weeks, with five matches on the first weekend and five the following weekend.

The FA Cup fifth round will be moved to midweek to accommodate the break, with replays being scrapped at that stage.

This bit in particular really pisses me off, let's say we inexplicably make it to the 5th round and even more unlikely hold a big club to a draw at home, we'll not be able to reap the benefit of that added income from the replay.

FA typically marginalising  the EFL to cater to the whims of the PL.  >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 8, 2018, 11:40:47
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44414487

This bit in particular really pisses me off, let's say we inexplicably make it to the 5th round and even more unlikely hold a big club to a draw at home, we'll not be able to reap the benefit of that added income from the replay.

FA typically marginalising  the EFL to cater to the whims of the PL.  >:(

Nicely ties in with the reporting that the poor luvvies in the PL are already playing fewer games than most major leagues in Europe.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, June 8, 2018, 11:45:50
Indeed, I've always been sceptical about the impact of not having a winter break has. 

We've not seemed to have heard from the foreign PL players moaning about it, have we?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 8, 2018, 11:46:31
FA typically marginalising  the EFL to cater to the whims of the PL.  >:(

Can't even rejoice at Schudamore leaving the PL, some cunt like Harvey will just take his place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, June 8, 2018, 12:03:05
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44414487

This bit in particular really pisses me off, let's say we inexplicably make it to the 5th round and even more unlikely hold a big club to a draw at home, we'll not be able to reap the benefit of that added income from the replay.

FA typically marginalising  the EFL to cater to the whims of the PL.  >:(
Rochdale's Wembley trip being a case in point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, June 8, 2018, 12:24:42
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44414487

This bit in particular really pisses me off, let's say we inexplicably make it to the 5th round and even more unlikely hold a big club to a draw at home, we'll not be able to reap the benefit of that added income from the replay.

FA typically marginalising  the EFL to cater to the whims of the PL.  >:(
I wouldn't lose too much sleep over that one. In fact, I would lose too much sleep if they did it from the start. One match and we're normally out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, June 8, 2018, 12:48:25
They should have gone the whole hog and scrapped replays for the whole thing. Grossly under-attended and unnecessary.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 8, 2018, 13:05:04
They should have gone the whole hog and scrapped replays for the whole thing. Grossly under-attended and unnecessary.

And invite U23 teams in, and only play at the smaller clubs ground?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, June 8, 2018, 13:16:31
More changes.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44415928


Next up....reducing all games to half an hour duration so the poor dears don't over-exert themselves.   :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 8, 2018, 13:27:51
it's not all bad:

Quote
 the ABBA penalty format is also to be scrapped.

Seeding will be removed for the first two rounds of the competition



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, June 8, 2018, 13:40:12
The one good-ish thing about the seeding was that it significantly increased the chances of drawing a team from another division.

The EFL Cup has possibly passed it's 'sell by date', anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Friday, June 8, 2018, 14:28:40
it's not all bad:


Quote
the ABBA penalty format is also to be scrapped.

Seeding will be removed for the first two rounds of the competition

So, the winner takes it all?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 14, 2018, 08:36:42
Rules being changed for the big clubs when it suits the league.....

I can just see someone like Burnley being allowed to break the rules regarding playing all home games at the same stadium...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Munichred on Wednesday, June 20, 2018, 11:35:25
So, the winner takes it all?

As usual, it's just Money Money Money...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, June 20, 2018, 19:48:16
I see Sepp Blatter was at the Portugal v Morocco on Wednesday "on the invitation of Russian president Vladimir Putin", despite his ban from football.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44555620 (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44555620)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, July 13, 2018, 16:14:58
Not that anyone's interested, but....

https://twitter.com/AdverSport/status/1017802278256988160?s=20



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 13, 2018, 16:19:49
Not that anyone's interested, but....

https://twitter.com/AdverSport/status/1017802278256988160?s=20



I remember drawing these a few season's back, when it had a certain novelty value.... Rodney Parade, a new ground, and we hadn't played them for years..... we took a few and won quite easily... now they do the double over us  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, July 13, 2018, 17:23:53
I remember drawing these a few season's back, when it had a certain novelty value.... Rodney Parade, a new ground, and we hadn't played them for years..... we took a few and won quite easily... now they do the double over us  :(

C'mon Reg, you used to be all about the cricket season in July...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 13, 2018, 17:54:29
C'mon Reg, you used to be all about the cricket season in July...

Indeed... but something very strange is happening in cricket.  The county championship has been shunted to either end of the season, no Tests in June July.  So we've had this glorious weather and hardly any cricket played except a few one dayers.  Even then England played a sub standard Aussie side and thrashed them.... when we could have been playing an excellent Indian side.

There has been quite a lot of women's stuff on Sky, which whilst OK in small doses, doesn't satisfy.  Cheltenham Festival starts on Monday, which may well be worth a visit, but throw in the distraction of the WC, and I haven't been able to lose my football head, as should rightfully happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:44:02
£66m for a goalie. Wow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:45:48
Not entirely down to them, but fucking West Ham and that stadium again.... So after pissing all our money up the wall to find a sponsor West Ham then get a cut above a certain level.... They really are the peoples club, in that we are all funding them!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44848750


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:55:59
Not entirely down to them, but fucking West Ham and that stadium again.... So after pissing all our money up the wall to find a sponsor West Ham then get a cut above a certain level.... They really are the peoples club, in that we are all funding them!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44848750

.... and to think that they spent more than £60M on two players recently.  >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 13:22:49
Not that anyone's interested, but....

https://twitter.com/AdverSport/status/1017802278256988160?s=20



Update:  It's the Chelski kids again, apparently.  Which means they'll get a crowd for one game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Thursday, July 19, 2018, 23:28:42
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44884903

Horrible woman.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, July 20, 2018, 00:32:17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44884903

Horrible woman.

Religion and football isn't a great mix.... think of Peter Knowles.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 20, 2018, 08:44:24
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44894821

Calm down Gary, sore subject?  Usually quite like him but he's come across as a bit of a prat here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, July 20, 2018, 09:13:00
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44894821

Calm down Gary, sore subject?  Usually quite like him but he's come across as a bit of a prat here.

I think it's been blown out of proportion a bit, as I think some of it (particularly from the Accy chairman) was a bit tongue in cheek.

He has a point though, it's annoying to see these small clubs get lucky, bankrolled and ultimately overtake us. Wish it was us, though. I'd happily take the class of 92's money!

There will come a point when they start making huge losses (unless the fanbase grows dramatically or they really do shoot through the leagues) and I imagine the funding will start to be withdrawn a little.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, July 20, 2018, 10:01:05
I'm with Gary Neville. And unless the Acrington chairman is running break even he should shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 20, 2018, 10:16:02
the amount of money spent is only an issue when it's not you spending it.

it is what it is. An unsustainable and unbalanced mess that won't change, because the 'haves' have all the power and the money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, July 23, 2018, 10:43:34
That's one hell of a journey to have to make on a regular basis!  Doesn't sound as if they'll get their long-awaited new home for a couple of years, at least.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44923515


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, July 23, 2018, 11:30:45
That's one hell of a journey to have to make on a regular basis!  Doesn't sound as if they'll get their long-awaited new home for a couple of years, at least.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44923515

200 mile round trip,.............. Luxury


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, July 23, 2018, 11:41:57
200 mile round trip,.............. Luxury

Yes, sorry, I was forgetting you and your trip....and all those years. Utter madness dedication!  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, July 23, 2018, 11:45:10
Yes, sorry, I was forgetting you and your trip....and all those years. Utter madness dedication!  :)

I think madness is probably closer :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, July 23, 2018, 11:52:26
If Mr. Power really cared about us fans, nart amin, he'd take the team to each fan's city to play, and rename us Swindon Globetrotters :-)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, July 30, 2018, 11:55:38

I wasn't sure where to put this, so have put it here based on City carrying on with that dreadful Ribena effort, but what do people think of them reverting to an old badge on the away (white) kit? Personally I think anything is an improvement on the badge on the home kit, which looks like it was designed on Paint circa 1996.

Surprised they're allowed two different badges in the same season.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWbs3iW4AEU37N.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 30, 2018, 11:57:53
I wasn't sure where to put this, so have put it here based on City carrying on with that dreadful Ribena effort, but what do people think of them reverting to an old badge on the away (white) kit? Personally I think anything is an improvement on the badge on the home kit, which looks like it was designed on Paint circa 1996.

Surprised they're allowed two different badges in the same season.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWbs3iW4AEU37N.jpg)

The main thing that strikes me is they appear to have missed the suffix "heads" off their sponsor?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 30, 2018, 11:58:13
Shittys old badge looks far better than the new generic effort IMO.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, July 30, 2018, 13:03:29
That old badge is from before the 82ers existed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, July 30, 2018, 13:15:52
Is that Dunder Mifflin from the US Office?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Monday, August 6, 2018, 12:14:24
A few managers in the premier now starting to regret agreeing to closing the transfer window early

I'm not sure what the point was though as other country's have until Aug 31, it only stops clubs in this country buying


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 10:49:05
Reading that Bournemouth have just spent another £25m on another player of possibly mediocre ability.  It doesn't seem so long ago that I was tossing a £1 coin into their bucket collection outside the County Ground.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 10:53:48
A few managers in the premier now starting to regret agreeing to closing the transfer window early

I'm not sure what the point was though as other country's have until Aug 31, it only stops clubs in this country buying

I heard on a podcast that the window on Thursday is a 'soft window' as clubs can still loan players and therefore can do deals whereby they agree to buy players in January but take them on loan first (I think the loan window closes end of August)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 11:58:42
Not that I give a toss about the prem (at least at the moment.  When Power and Brown gloriously take us there in 2021 thats a different matter) but can teams from out of England still buy players from the prem?  Could a player force through a sale to Barca by refusing to play even if his club are refusing to sell him?

I do hope so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 12:08:49
I believe so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 12:15:20
I wasn't sure where to put this, so have put it here based on City carrying on with that dreadful Ribena effort, but what do people think of them reverting to an old badge on the away (white) kit? Personally I think anything is an improvement on the badge on the home kit, which looks like it was designed on Paint circa 1996.

Surprised they're allowed two different badges in the same season.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWbs3iW4AEU37N.jpg)

Please don't devalue our website putting that shit on here.  Who's interested in the slave traders anyway ?.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 12:47:27
Not that I give a toss about the prem (at least at the moment.  When Power and Brown gloriously take us there in 2021 thats a different matter) but can teams from out of England still buy players from the prem?  Could a player force through a sale to Barca by refusing to play even if his club are refusing to sell him?

I do hope so.

Yeah, they can sell until midnight on the 31st of August I believe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 12:49:37
To work around the window I think Premiership clubs can still bring players in on loan until 31st August too. So you could loan a player for 2018/2019 and then make the transfer permanent in Jan/end of season when the window opens again. Not idea but not the end of the world if you really want a player, the tactic has been used many times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 14:05:46
To work around the window I think Premiership clubs can still bring players in on loan until 31st August too. So you could loan a player for 2018/2019 and then make the transfer permanent in Jan/end of season when the window opens again. Not idea but not the end of the world if you really want a player, the tactic has been used many times.

That's almost what I said a page ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 16:50:37
I wasn't sure where to put this, so have put it here based on City carrying on with that dreadful Ribena effort, but what do people think of them reverting to an old badge on the away (white) kit? Personally I think anything is an improvement on the badge on the home kit, which looks like it was designed on Paint circa 1996.

Surprised they're allowed two different badges in the same season.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjWbs3iW4AEU37N.jpg)


WBA have done that this season with their away shirt too - a retro yellow and green effort...

http://www.wbashop.co.uk/p/10084/18-19-PUMA-ADULT-CHANGE-SHIRT


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 22:23:44
That's almost what I said a page ago.

Great minds, Bob. My apologies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 10, 2018, 09:14:40
Great minds, Bob. My apologies.

No need for apologies fella. I have done that before quite a few times :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, August 10, 2018, 09:49:00
I think you are both wrong though. Not sure premier league teams can loan anyone now at all they can only sell


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 08:23:18
But hang on, I thought the rules explicitly stated that you are not allowed to play'home' games at two different venues in a season?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-new-stadium-white-hart-lane-delay-wembley-continue-to-play-fulham-liverpool-a8490346.html

Although my mistake the rules only apply to the smaller clubs don't they.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 08:52:43

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

Who needs fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 09:35:19
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44850888

Who needs fans.

Interesting aspect of the importance of tv money.


To some degree this does rather equalise opportunity or certainly tilt it.

Thus the likes of Bournemouth can now give it a go and some smaller clubs can even entrench premiership competitiveness whilst old giants like Sheff Wed, Villa etc languish in League One.


Come on Power, get your wallet out and take a punt. ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 10:06:42
Oh Wrighty, I thought better of you. Have you though that it might just be that he was a little bit shit at the World Cup. (yes I know this will divide opinions, but he was)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45177178


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:30:23
Oh Wrighty, I thought better of you. Have you though that it might just be that he was a little bit shit at the World Cup. (yes I know this will divide opinions, but he was)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45177178
Except much of the criticism he is referring to pre-dates the World Cup. Not saying he is correct that the criticism of Sterling is race based, but Sterling does seem to attract a disproportionate amount of flak


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:45:46
For the most part I do actually agree with Wright. I don’t really care for Sterling (although grew to like his World Cup performances), but as Paul says, he does seem to get a disproportionate amount of shit slung at him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:59:10
Except much of the criticism he is referring to pre-dates the World Cup. Not saying he is correct that the criticism of Sterling is race based, but Sterling does seem to attract a disproportionate amount of flak

You could hypothesise that it's simply down to him being the most expensive English footballer of all time (transfer cost). However, it does seem to be the Mail and the Sun which have it in for him especially.

https://twitter.com/adamkeyworth/status/1001218545588502530


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 12:03:53
They find high profile targets and focus on them. It's what they do. If it weren't him, they'd find another. It helps them sell papers, people like to have something to get angry about. I've no doubt his skin colour influenced their decision in selecting him as a target over others.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 12:40:02
Gazza being a prime example of someone else they were interested in destroying.

Personally I do doubt skin colour came into it. Any weakness/difference/mistake shown that is different to others, attack them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 12:50:40
Sterling had a much better season and a much better World Cup than Rashford or Lingaard and get's unbelievable amounts of bullshit from the press.

It's not just race, but that's defo a part of it and to think otherwise is bizarrely blinkered. Also, background, grudges etc...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 14:44:55
The problem is not restricted to football. Check out these stats:

https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/09/we-tracked-25688-abusive-tweets-sent-women-mps-half-were-directed-diane-abbott


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 14:48:35
Except much of the criticism he is referring to pre-dates the World Cup. Not saying he is correct that the criticism of Sterling is race based, but Sterling does seem to attract a disproportionate amount of flak

Because he was built up way beyond where he should have been in his breakout season, simply because he was a bit quick and nobody had seen his style.

He's also got a different weight on his shoulders with England, he is expected to be a creative and goalscoring force.  He's only the latter at Man City because they dominate teams - he has to be one of the worst finishers I have ever seen who has a primary position close to the penalty box.

I cannot see how race has anything to do with it.  Waddle used to get loads of stick when playing for England - because he never seemed to deliver what he should have been able to do in the press' eyes and seemed far too sleepy.  His best days of his career, in the view of the press and fans was probably Marseille, which I think says something.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 14:49:04
there is no excuse for tweeting her about her skin colour or weight.

Pointing out her idiocy, however..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 14:50:25
The problem is not restricted to football. Check out these stats:

https://www.newstatesman.com/2017/09/we-tracked-25688-abusive-tweets-sent-women-mps-half-were-directed-diane-abbott

That surely also has something to do with Diane Abbott? as a human being?  Pretty sure Trump gets a lot of hate here, and he's not black (maybe Orange) - people who are controversial get controversy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 14:59:06
That surely also has something to do with Diane Abbott? as a human being?  Pretty sure Trump gets a lot of hate here, and he's not black (maybe Orange) - people who are controversial get controversy.

Quote
Excluding Diane Abbott, black and Asian women MPs in Westminster received 35 per cent more abusive tweets than white women MPs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 14:59:54
Same with Sterling, it may not be the only reason he gets singled out but it almost certainly is one of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 16:24:28
That surely also has something to do with Diane Abbott? as a human being?  Pretty sure Trump gets a lot of hate here, and he's not black (maybe Orange) - people who are controversial get controversy.

Is Diane Abbott controversial, apart from being female and black she seems little different to any other MP?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 16:27:19
Only as much as she’s seen by many to be a Shadow because of her ‘closeness’ to Corbyn.

She’s a fucking liability getting interviewed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 16:29:21
Is Diane Abbott controversial, apart from being female and black she seems little different to any other MP?

She went on a mbike hol to East Germany with Corbyn... this makes her like Rosa Luxemburg to some.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 16:32:33
Big bike needed, there. Perhaps she inspired the Hairy Bikers - something else to lambast her for!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 16:39:49
Big bike needed, there. Perhaps she inspired the Hairy Bikers - something else to lambast her for!

It was in the 70's perhaps Dianne was a bit more svelte back then.... I'm know I was.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 16, 2018, 13:49:06
Juego 39

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/16/la-liga-stage-match-us


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 16, 2018, 14:43:38
They held the Super Cup in Morocco as well, and classified as a non-professional game, presumably because it lifted the restriction on non EU players being involved.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 16, 2018, 15:08:01
Did no one mention the report that 10 of the prem clubs could have turned a profit without any fans attending the games?

I don think I really want to be in the premiership.  Which is lucky as its not looking to be on the horizon in this lifetime.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, August 17, 2018, 08:49:56
Did no one mention the report that 10 of the prem clubs could have turned a profit without any fans attending the games?

I don think I really want to be in the premiership.  Which is lucky as its not looking to be on the horizon in this lifetime.

I honestly wouldn't mind if the PL just split from the Football League completely.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, August 17, 2018, 09:46:21
I honestly wouldn't mind if the PL just split from the Football League completely.

Next step could be a "European Super League" with fixtures at weekends and domestic games shunted to midweek, so devaluing the domestic leagues, with players being rested ahead of the "big game" on a Saturday or Sunday.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/european-football-premier-league-what-how-which-teams-arsene-wenger/

A breakaway league would be good. I suspect that the viewing public would soon grow tired of it though.
Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich are ok in small doses but not every week.

What remained of the PL would either be topped up with Championship clubs or just amalgamate back into the EFL once they get fed up with Burnley winning the PL every year.

This musing prompted me to look up the G-14.
Apparently this has been replaced by the European Club Association.
The "big 6" in England are "ordinary members" with Everton, Leicester and err Newcastle being "associated members".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, August 19, 2018, 18:08:31
Just seen this about Ricky George, done for money laundering and a quite nasty fraud:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-45183551

:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BruceChatwin on Sunday, September 2, 2018, 08:35:29
If you thought the refereeing yesterday was bad...

https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417 (https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, September 2, 2018, 08:49:58
If you thought the refereeing yesterday was bad...

https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417 (https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417)

 :) That's great.

It hit the back of the net, oh hang on.

Stuart Attwell is refereeing at the top level after once deciding that the ball had crossed the line.
Problem was that it was nowhere near the goal.

Still, bless 'em they are only human after all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, September 2, 2018, 10:42:23
If you thought the refereeing yesterday was bad...

https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417 (https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417)

 :eek: That's hilariously bad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 3, 2018, 12:52:54
I quite like it....

Apologies for the Mail link, but it has the best selection of pictures.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5990427/Amateur-football-team-sausage-themed-strip-voted-worst-UK-reveal-new-kit.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, September 3, 2018, 17:41:52
All going wrong at Billericay...


Glenn Tamplin to sell Billericay after 'personal abuse' and drug allegations 'crossed line' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45396174

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, September 3, 2018, 18:01:23
All going wrong at Billericay...


Glenn Tamplin to sell Billericay after 'personal abuse' and drug allegations 'crossed line' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45396174

Sent from my HTC U11

He didn't exactly help himself that day...

https://twitter.com/applebamos/status/1036339663169118209





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, September 3, 2018, 18:11:46
That Tamplin bloke is an absolute bellend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 3, 2018, 18:42:14
is he on dru..oh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 3, 2018, 19:45:52
I quite like it....

Apologies for the Mail link, but it has the best selection of pictures.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5990427/Amateur-football-team-sausage-themed-strip-voted-worst-UK-reveal-new-kit.html

You shouldn’t have to apologise for the Daily Mail link no more thant a Guardian link. Nice to see you do read The Daily Mail. Closet Tory.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 08:05:01
You shouldn’t have to apologise for the Daily Mail link no more thant a Guardian link. Nice to see you do read The Daily Mail. Closet Tory.

That statement would be at home in the most inaccurate UK newspaper.

https://tabloidcorrections.wordpress.com/2018/01/02/statistics-show-that-daily-mail-was-by-far-the-most-unreliable-uk-paper-in-2017/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 08:29:19
I quite like it....

Apologies for the Mail link, but it has the best selection of pictures.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5990427/Amateur-football-team-sausage-themed-strip-voted-worst-UK-reveal-new-kit.html

My bad if its been posted but this kit is amazing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45268948


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 13:50:40
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45410311 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45410311)

Players are being stopped from playing in checkatrade trophy but the games aren't allowed to be included in their bans. insane and shows what a mess the trophy is if its not being recognised by the FL/FA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 13:53:29
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45410311 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45410311)

Players are being stopped from playing in checkatrade trophy but the games aren't allowed to be included in their bans. insane and shows what a mess the trophy is if its not being recognised by the FL/FA

It's about time the "Football League Trophy" title was dropped and it renamed the "Development League Series" or something matchingly ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 18:04:36
If you thought the refereeing yesterday was bad...

https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417 (https://twitter.com/PartickThistle/status/1036025973798588417)

Follow up:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45409767?ns_linkname=sport&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_sport&ns_source=facebook


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, September 5, 2018, 08:45:36
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/04/crystal-palace-ladies-players-told-to-each-raise-250-to-keep-club-going-football

Bit harsh really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, September 5, 2018, 08:48:13
Follow up:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45409767?ns_linkname=sport&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_sport&ns_source=facebook
Saw this this morning. There's not much you can say really. How he's not given it i dont know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 6, 2018, 10:45:38
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/04/crystal-palace-ladies-players-told-to-each-raise-250-to-keep-club-going-football

Bit harsh really.

A rather nice story: http://www.espn.co.uk/football/crystal-palace/story/3625377/wilfried-zaha-makes-substantial-financial-contribution-to-crystal-palace-ladies

He shouldn't have to, of course, but good of him to do it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, September 6, 2018, 11:58:00
A rather nice story: http://www.espn.co.uk/football/crystal-palace/story/3625377/wilfried-zaha-makes-substantial-financial-contribution-to-crystal-palace-ladies

He shouldn't have to, of course, but good of him to do it.
He shouldn't have to at all. He's clearly been made to feel guilty by the press. Not his fault at all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, September 7, 2018, 19:11:58
Fuck me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45452045


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, September 7, 2018, 20:24:10
He shouldn't have to at all. He's clearly been made to feel guilty by the press. Not his fault at all.
He shouldn't, but at the same time, no footballer should be paid that amount to play football. I know there are players getting much more, but, they shouldn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, September 8, 2018, 08:04:30
He shouldn't, but at the same time, no footballer should be paid that amount to play football. I know there are players getting much more, but, they shouldn't.

Why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 8, 2018, 10:37:07
They get paid more than our soldiers but they’ve never even done a war


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, September 8, 2018, 12:20:47
Because it inflates the market and prices out smaller clubs and ultimately results in job losses, club closures, crashes, lack of competition and lack of interest etc etc
Why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, September 8, 2018, 16:33:32
Tim nice but dim spouting his oar again.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11492904/tim-sherwood-calls-for-lower-league-teams-to-become-feeder-clubs-for-premier-league-big-boys


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 10, 2018, 13:22:00
Perhaps this should be posted on the FB page so they can see what a real bad owner looks like

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/728559/Bradford-City-US-open-tennis-England-cricket-Alastair-Cook-Sergio-Ramos-Naomi-Osaka


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 09:49:35
This does seem to be a rather twatish game of Russian Roulette.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45479624


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 09:54:50
This does seem to be a rather twatish game of Russian Roulette.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45479624
Crumbs, if it happens they would be with negative points.  :oops:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 10:01:20
Crumbs, if it happens they would be with negative points.  :oops:

Update seems to be that the chairman (or an other) has stopped being a bell end and made an offer to settle the debt but has till mid day to actually do so....

I remember the days of pressing F5 every 5 mins on here when we took it to the edge!

Edit: Must be lovely to have a local paper that actually gives a shit about a football club...
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/16833684.latest-updates-as-bolton-wanderers-seek-to-avoid-administration/?ref=ar



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 10:11:40
Looks like pantomime season again for the nationalised football club....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45479380


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 12:00:22
Even we managed to find a sponsor for a tin shed of a stand and an open empty bank, how the hell have they failed to find a sponsor for an iconic stadium and spent 450k in the process?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 10:54:03
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7232620/1860-munich-oktoberfest-kit-leather-shorts/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 11:13:12
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7232620/1860-munich-oktoberfest-kit-leather-shorts/

More sloppy ignorant reporting; the leather shorts are of course not part of the kit to be worn


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 12:09:42
More sloppy ignorant reporting; the leather shorts are of course not part of the kit to be worn

Really?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 13:18:34
This does seem to be a rather twatish game of Russian Roulette.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45479624
Couldn't happen to a nicer club, John McGinlay is a horses arse....

If that does actually happen where does that leave our vegan "friends" up the road at FGR with the £1m transfer of Doidge that has already been agreed?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 13:26:21
they resolved it yesterday (subject to confirmation).

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanker waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanker John


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 13:27:47
they resolved it yesterday (subject to confirmation).
Shame.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 13:49:32
Something obviously isn't right there at Bolton financially, not sure why the FL sanctioned a £1m signing only 2 months after their players went on strike for not getting their wages paid, back in July, and then this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 13:51:13
they resolved it yesterday (subject to confirmation).

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanker waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanker John

Now confirmed https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45483786 however there are still all manner of skeletons and debts in the closet that remain due going forward.

Something obviously isn't right there at Bolton financially, not sure why the FL sanctioned a £1m signing only 2 months after their players went on strike for not getting their wages paid, back in July, and then this.

Can the FA stop a transfer if the buying team cannot afford it? As per my post above this is just a small part of a wider shit storm, with a bell end of a chairman in the middle of it, much talk of billionaire takeovers and a suggestion that these might only proceed if the club went into admin (possibly explaining the stand off as if the creditor secured admin it would allow the Chairman to blame someone else), as per my post of yesterday its worth reading the local rag as a) they seem well informed and b) actually seem to give a shite about the club!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 14:01:14
Talking of takeovers, the long running ownership of Charlton seems to be on the line, with the Aussie investors failing to actually agree a deal with the club, this has been hanging around since early last season and apparently had a hand in Robinson leaving them and taking over at the Pox.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/charlton-staff-giving-up-hope-as-they-fear-collapse-of-takeover-deal-a3932801.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 16:20:50
this guy is shot away. not sure what thread this brings in

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/glenn-tamplin-sacked-new-boss-13232872


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, September 14, 2018, 14:53:17
Harry the Hornet, he's a badass

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45518803


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 10:55:34
Yeah, good luck with that!  Liverpool have to go there, too.  Jordan Henderson will be looking forward to it.  :)


https://twitter.com/Matt_Santangelo/status/1041795311356850177?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 11:14:26
Wrong thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 11:23:05
Yeah, good luck with that!  Liverpool have to go there, too.  Jordan Henderson will be looking forward to it.  :)


https://twitter.com/Matt_Santangelo/status/1041795311356850177?s=20


Good job its not us playing, with our recent history of struggling to last 60+ minutes some of of our plays would need subbing before kick off having walked that far.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 20, 2018, 11:37:14
I missed this last week, not sure where to put it but talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/mansfield-town/lincoln-boss-cowley-slams-mansfield-town-for-being-over-physical-1-9335239


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, September 20, 2018, 12:01:14
Based on what I’ve seen and read from other fans, Lincoln are one of the best footballing sides in the division, albeit with the ability to mix things up when required. Based on what was said before we played them on here, I was rather confused as I was expecting a bunch of thugs playing long ball....far from it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 20, 2018, 12:15:47
Based on what I’ve seen and read from other fans, Lincoln are one of the best footballing sides in the division, albeit with the ability to mix things up when required. Based on what was said before we played them on here, I was rather confused as I was expecting a bunch of thugs playing long ball....far from it.
That is utter shit, they changed their game vs us earlier in the season but in every other game this season every report of every forum I have read says that Lincoln still very much bully teams with their size and strength.

They have not changed at all, if you saw us play them they still kicked us all over the pitch and fouled us when they could but they played with the ball on the ground more this year, last season every player on their side could have been arrested for physical assault on our players.

A quote from FGR fans last week

Quote
Before we left Bury, one of their Directors asked me about Lincoln. I said that from the management downwards, they will intimidate the opposition and officials and play to a big crowd. Just keep the ball and play your own game. It so nearly worked for them. 1-0 up at Sincil bank and (according to reports) easily the better team. Then a soft penalty and sending off and the game was lost 2-1. Shame

For love of football, I hope that the way the Cowleys coach their team does not gain any further success.

These sort of posts are not unusual at all after teasm play them.

After Mansfield played them...

Quote
Great result. Lincoln still clearly non league thugs

Exeter fans....

Quote
Scrappy horrible game that suits lincoln down to the ground

So little actual football being played. Most of the time Lincoln players are rolling around on the floor

Poor performance from everyone in stripes,the ref was very poor and Lincoln as per Wycombe exploited everything to kill the game,akindes subbing was a total joke,Lincoln are a good side,but would I watch them every week? not a chance in hell,their players are a reflection of the Crowley brothers,total a###holes !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, September 20, 2018, 17:25:28
Fair play to them, it worked and continues to do so


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 21, 2018, 11:55:42
Not sure what to make of this....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45586738

Is it the kindness of a former owner doing one last thing for a club he held close, or was it the club with its begging bowl out going to dying man asking for his money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 21, 2018, 12:08:34
Not sure what to make of this....

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45586738

Is it the kindness of a former owner doing one last thing for a club he held close, or was it the club with its begging bowl out going to dying man asking for his money

Its not clear, the Bolton fans seem as split on Anderson as our lot are with Power, although it must be worrying if Davies was the only one they could turn to in their hour of need.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 21, 2018, 14:36:32
Unexpected features in stadiums...

https://twitter.com/FBAwayDays/status/1042878507385319425


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 09:15:32
Expect to see the buckets back at the CG soon..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45743066


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 09:49:09
Expect to see the buckets back at the CG soon..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45743066

Fairytale


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 19:04:54
Expect to see the buckets back at the CG soon..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45743066
The local newspaper is reporting fan speculation that their Russian owner might be looking to sell up because of the UK Russia relationship.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/16960288.amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The comments they are need Premier League money and more to ensure survival. They have FFP fine to pay as well.

Interesting times ahead. Maybe they need a fairy godmother now!!!

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 19:10:36
Juventus statement on the Ronaldo allogations was somewhat , er.,..:

.@Cristiano Ronaldo has shown in recent months his great professionalism and dedication, which is appreciated by everyone at Juventus. 1/1

The events allegedly dating back to almost 10 years ago do not change this opinion, which is shared by anyone who has come into contact with this great champion. 2/2


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 19:13:03
The local newspaper is reporting fan speculation that their Russian owner might be looking to sell up because of the UK Russia relationship.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/16960288.amp/?__twitter_impression=true

The comments they are need Premier League money and more to ensure survival. They have FFP fine to pay as well.

Interesting times ahead. Maybe they need a fairy godmother now!!!

Sent from my HTC U11

I’d love it, love it if they went tits up.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 19:38:13
I’d love it, love it if they went tits up.
You would worry they haven't got a lot to fall back on. They owe the Russian £33m and a US private equity fund £20m.

At least when Pompey went tits up, they had decent gates to keep them afloat. They can only get 12,000 now and if they did into the Championship.

We have all heard the 'well run club' mantra about Swansea, Stoke etc but it just takes one bad manager appointment to undo the good work.

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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 19:55:50
I wouldn't want to see Bournemouth go tits up. It's seeing things like their progression that maintains my belief that it could still potentially happen to a club like ours again one day. So they took advantage of our financial situation to sign Matt Ritchie.......we would have happily signed their best player for a knock down fee given half the chance if the shoe was on the other foot back then. Eddie Howe has done a phenomenal job there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:11:30
I wouldn't want to see Bournemouth go tits up. It's seeing things like their progression that maintains my belief that it could still potentially happen to a club like ours again one day. So they took advantage of our financial situation to sign Matt Ritchie.......we would have happily signed their best player for a knock down fee given half the chance if the shoe was on the other foot back then. Eddie Howe has done a phenomenal job there.
There are a few certainties during a season on the TEF....knee jerk reactions, doom and gloom, ‘the games gone’, a DV ‘back to basics approach’ post after a poor run, moaning about the burgers, unfounded transfer speculation and without fail - bitter filled posts about Bournemouth and Eddie Howe.

Fair play to them - how we would love to have had the few seasons they have had recently, regardless of the circumstances. The majority of their Championship title winning squad started for them in League 1, not quite the Man City style spending a few make out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:15:08
Oldham struggling yet again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45752949


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:17:09
Bitter? Too fucking right.

We get called cheats at every opportunity when we spend more than we have, despite others like Bournemouth doing it on a grander scale. It happened the last time we were in this league. Even that cunt Wilder had a pop at Oxford and it turned out they were running up more debt than we were. The same with Brentford(?)

Fair play? No. They cheated. Instead of getting called cheats, though, people say it's a fucking fairy tale.

I hope they end up in non-league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:20:58
I like Bournemouth. For no other reason than a guy on the turnstile accepted that a 29 year old mortally pissed beardy twat was under 16. Kerching


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:23:29
We had them Chang, in the late 80s and early 90s. And look where we are now......

We got to the Premier League (2nd time around) fair and square on a low budget, selling our best players every year and replacing them with quality, cheap, alternatives. Ok, we didn't last long at the top, but I wouldn't swap the 10-odd years from the Macari era to the Hoddle era for anything else. And we did it on peanuts compared to what golden bollocks Howe has had to spend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:25:43
Bitter? Too fucking right.

We get called cheats at every opportunity when we spend more than we have, despite others like Bournemouth doing it on a grander scale. It happened the last time we were in this league. Even that cunt Wilder had a pop at Oxford and it turned out they were running up more debt than we were. The same with Brentford(?)

Fair play? No. They cheated. Instead of getting called cheats, though, people say it's a fucking fairy tale.

I hope they end up in non-league.
When they were in the Champ & 'spending their way to glory' I would bet they still spent a heck of a lot less than the majority of other teams in the division at that time. Granted their spend v turnover would have been completely disproportionate but so would ours have been under PDC in League 2 & the following season where we would probably have gone up if he'd stayed. It's all relative. Good luck to them. It's hardly the fans fault. We'd be fucking loving it if it was us.  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:29:29
When they were in the Champ & 'spending their way to glory' I would bet they still spent a heck of a lot less than the majority of other teams in the division at that time. Granted their spend v turnover would have been completely disproportionate but so would ours have been under PDC in League 2 & the following season where we would probably have gone up if he'd stayed. It's all relative. Good luck to them. It's hardly the fans fault. We'd be fucking loving it if it was us.  

My point being that we get called cheats and they get called a fairy tale. I wouldn't care otherwise. Even some Bournemouth fans have the nerve to call us cheats.

Fuck them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:37:43
When they were in the Champ & 'spending their way to glory' I would bet they still spent a heck of a lot less than the majority of other teams in the division at that time. Granted their spend v turnover would have been completely disproportionate but so would ours have been under PDC in League 2 & the following season where we would probably have gone up if he'd stayed. It's all relative. Good luck to them. It's hardly the fans fault. We'd be fucking loving it if it was us.  
That's not true. We tried, admittedly, but failed because we were under a transfer embargo for much of the time. Bournemouth, somehow, got away with overspending.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 20:41:42
We kept within the rules in L2. We were under an embargo because WE informed the FA/FL that we were close to going over. We 'overspent' but we did not cheat. Bournemouth did, and that barely gets a mention.

What a fucking fairytale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:10:32
My point being that we get called cheats and they get called a fairy tale. I wouldn't care otherwise. Even some Bournemouth fans have the nerve to call us cheats.

Fuck them.
I wouldn't worry about a few idiot Bournemouth fans, every club has them. My point was that even though they overspent their wage bill at the time would have been considerably less than the bulk of the teams in that division. I know the fairytale thing has been a long running joke on here but I still think Howe has done a cracking job there. I actually think he's pretty humble about it as well. I'm not gonna jump on the 'Lets hate Bournemouth bandwagon' just because it's the popular thing to do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:12:11
That's not true. We tried, admittedly, but failed because we were under a transfer embargo for much of the time. Bournemouth, somehow, got away with overspending.
What's not true?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:15:20
We kept within the rules in L2. We were under an embargo because WE informed the FA/FL that we were close to going over. We 'overspent' but we did not cheat. Bournemouth did, and that barely gets a mention.

What a fucking fairytale.
This isn't a Swindon v Bournemouth thing for me. Just purely pointing out that I think they done excellently regardless of if they've overspent or not. I just don't seem to hate Bournemouth as much as a lot of people on here. It really isn't worth it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:18:50
3 of their regular back 4 for are from the league 1 days, fucking credit to Howe.  He hasn’t spent much in the grand scheme of things when taking a team from lower leagues to top tier.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:26:09
Oh I find the hatred of them a bit odd but then again I fucking hate AFC Wimbledon so who am I to judge


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:36:11
Oh I find the hatred of them a bit odd but then again I fucking hate AFC Wimbledon so who am I to judge

Wait...So does this mean you LIKE McFranchise?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 21:44:49
Wait...So does this mean you LIKE McFranchise?

Don’t really care either way about them anymore


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, October 4, 2018, 23:25:35
What's got your goat with AFC (Wimbledon not Bormuff) then?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 5, 2018, 00:01:13
 What I don't like about Bormuff, is that we should be playing them.  Always been a good away day... a regular traditional opponent. Now we're reduced to Cheltnum, FGR, and Yeovil, not the same. I would like to see a win at Whaddon Road, mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, October 5, 2018, 07:58:19
What's got your goat with AFC (Wimbledon not Bormuff) then?

Another case of the bitter jilted ex-girlfriend act for me. We get it, move on


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, October 5, 2018, 08:20:40
I hate AFC Wimbledon, Franchise, Bournemouth, Oxford and most weekends at 4:45, our lot too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ahounsell on Friday, October 5, 2018, 08:21:54
When they were in the Champ & 'spending their way to glory' I would bet they still spent a heck of a lot less than the majority of other teams in the division at that time. Granted their spend v turnover would have been completely disproportionate but so would ours have been under PDC in League 2 & the following season where we would probably have gone up if he'd stayed. It's all relative. Good luck to them. It's hardly the fans fault. We'd be fucking loving it if it was us.  

The season they got promoted from the Championship they lost over £40 million.

Howe is a very good manager who has done a great job there, plenty of other teams have spent loads without getting to where Bournemouth have. Actually his greatest achievement there was probably keeping them up in League 2 when they had a big points deduction.

It's has always been the case though that the whole thing is only sustainable as long as the owner continues to bankroll the club. If he pulls out they will be heading back down the leagues in a hurry.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, October 5, 2018, 14:19:31

It's has always been the case though that the whole thing is only sustainable as long as the owner continues to bankroll the club. If he pulls out they will be heading back down the leagues in a hurry.

Which begs the question why in the current PL era and the 28th richest club in Europe (apparently) can't afford to move forward with a new stadium or pay down some of their long term debt.

You would think they might be hitting a high water mark in their history and they just want to sustain PL status now. When clubs think like that relegation eventuallycatches up with them.

Will be interesting to see if that happens do they go down the Burnley route and rebuild or a Pompey/Sunderland slide.



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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ahounsell on Friday, October 5, 2018, 17:14:13
Which begs the question why in the current PL era and the 28th richest club in Europe (apparently) can't afford to move forward with a new stadium or pay down some of their long term debt.

You would think they might be hitting a high water mark in their history and they just want to sustain PL status now. When clubs think like that relegation eventuallycatches up with them.

Will be interesting to see if that happens do they go down the Burnley route and rebuild or a Pompey/Sunderland slide.

Sent from my HTC U11

Indeed. This is the problem with the Premier League simply handing over £100 million plus to each club to spend it how they want. Everyone ends up spending it on transfer fees and wages because they assume everyone else will and if they are the odd ones out they wont be able to compete.

If would make more sense to give each club £50 million each (still way more than most clubs in the world) and make the other £1 billion per season available only for infrastructure (stadium / training ground etc...) ideally this would be available to all clubs not just PL.

You'd end up with much the same players, just on less ridiculous wages, and there would be tangible assets to show for the billions going into the game instead of the money just passing straight through.

This is one reason why the sale of Wembley is such a nonsense. There is more than enough money in the game to fund the grass roots by more than £600 million every season not just once. It just needs a proper structure in place to do it.

Will never happen though, obviously :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, October 5, 2018, 17:41:02
Boscombe got lucky. We didn't.

Their manager has done very well but has a strange fixed rictus grin that is a bit disconcerting.

Look forward to competing with them again at L1 & L2 level in the future.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, October 5, 2018, 23:48:52
What's got your goat with AFC (Wimbledon not Bormuff) then?
maybe because they fucked over Kingstonian


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, October 6, 2018, 00:13:49
Another case of the bitter jilted ex-girlfriend act for me. We get it, move on

Fair one. I suppose if the boot was on our foot though and moved us to somewhere nice like the M5, like Stroud...I guess we'd probs be a bitter too.  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, October 6, 2018, 00:46:43
maybe because they fucked over Kingstonian

I don't think you can blame AFC Wimbledon for wanting to have their own ground. A rather flippant response. If you want to blame anyone, blame the Khosla Family (who took all the ground lease money c£2.5m) or even Chelsea for not facilitating them. AFC at least gave them £1m to look for other options. That was a massive amount of money for Kingstonian. Didn't the Kingstonian chairman also say they'd provide free travel for fans while they played at Leatherhead?

The agreement was always AFC would play there until they found their own home. As I said, blame the Khosla for pocketing the Wimbledon lease money and Chelsea for refusing facilitation to stay.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, October 6, 2018, 12:22:24
Man Utd fans sending a petition to parliament to get Mourinho sacked - WTF?

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1027675/Man-Utd-fans-petition-Jose-Mourinho-sacked-Parliament


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, October 6, 2018, 12:26:49
Man Utd fans sending a petition to parliament to get Mourinho sacked - WTF?

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1027675/Man-Utd-fans-petition-Jose-Mourinho-sacked-Parliament
Most United fans really are "touched" aren't they.

Most have a smug sense of entitlement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 10, 2018, 14:16:33
 England having to play Croatia, in what despite EUFA like to think, is a meaningless fixture, behind closed doors.

 Not sure if it's just me, in the same way policemen look younger as you age, but I'm sure we didn't used to have so many international breaks, especially as they're not even WC or Euro qualifiers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, October 12, 2018, 18:18:17
The Scottish FA withdrawing Gazza from their hall of fame because of 'concerns over his health'.

Wut?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, October 12, 2018, 23:19:35
Bitter? Too fucking right.

We get called cheats at every opportunity when we spend more than we have, despite others like Bournemouth doing it on a grander scale. It happened the last time we were in this league. Even that cunt Wilder had a pop at Oxford and it turned out they were running up more debt than we were. The same with Brentford(?)

Fair play? No. They cheated. Instead of getting called cheats, though, people say it's a fucking fairy tale.

I hope they end up in non-league.

Blew the wage gap knowingly and paid the fine. If it had been dirty Leeds we would of never heard the last of it.

Fairytale my arse.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:14:50
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45877754


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:21:59
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45877754
Also this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45949868


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:40:39
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Quote
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45877754 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45877754)
Also this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45949868 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45949868)

44 clubs ... I'm sure we'll be fine(d)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:44:03
Also this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45949868 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45949868)

44 clubs ... I'm sure we'll be fine(d)
You have to wonder....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:01:30
You have to wonder....

You'd like to think that even though we're shit on tne park, the austerity budget should mean we're at least working within our means.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:23:06
We can but hope.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:31:52
Mass relegations could be our greatest hope for this season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 30, 2018, 16:48:49
I wonder who’s involved in this

https://news.sky.com/story/security-minister-reveals-knowledge-of-football-money-laundering-investigation-11540039


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, October 31, 2018, 21:34:57
I wonder who’s involved in this

https://news.sky.com/story/security-minister-reveals-knowledge-of-football-money-laundering-investigation-11540039
Are you getting that sinking feeling?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 5, 2018, 12:40:06
  So another international break coming up..... and what do England do, play USA in a friendly and give Rooney a run out.

  I find this beyond bizarre.... reading it made me think of when England played the Hun 18 months back and Lucas Podolski got a nostalgic run out for them, he'd retired at the end of Euro 16.

 Scored a cracker mind, but it seemed a  bit touchy feely modern Hun... not the sort of thing I'm used to, they've turned to shit since.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 5, 2018, 12:46:01
I thought Rooney had retired.

That recall is just bizarre/or marketing to the USA - depends how cynical you want it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 5, 2018, 12:52:17
Apparently it's for his charity.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 5, 2018, 12:52:35
oooh, its linked to his charity "'The Wayne Rooney Foundation international"

Just make it a charity friendly then rather than a full cap international, assuming FIFA rules allow it on international weekend.

Then again do I really care, or am I just bored this lunch hour?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 6, 2018, 11:54:03
I see that as part of a 'Truth Commission' to look at suspected corruption and infiltration by organised crime at Newham Council, they are also going to investigate the relationship between the Council and West Ham, apparently Karren Brady has been desperately trying to meet with the mayor setting this up before the terms of reference are set, but the mayor is refusing to meet her at the moment.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 8, 2018, 12:22:58
The European Super League (obviously). Such a shitty idea it allows even FIFA to take the moral high ground:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/07/fifa-ban-super-league-players-from-world-cup-euros


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, November 8, 2018, 13:33:47
The European Super League (obviously). Such a shitty idea it allows even FIFA to take the moral high ground:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/07/fifa-ban-super-league-players-from-world-cup-euros

Not too sure why the clubs and players would really give a shit.

And I’d have thought FIFA is only concerned because it’d effect their board’s ability to live the high life.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 8, 2018, 13:38:30
Not too sure why the clubs and players would really give a shit.
Clubs won't, players will if playing in the new super league would effectively make them unable to play for their countries. That's still a significant honour for many and for the very top players winning a World Cup is a huge aspiration. Of course, you may be right that if enough money is waved at them they won't care and then it's a question of what happens if FIFA's bluff is called - will they be willing to devalue their own competition by not having the very best players competing in it?

And I’d have thought FIFA is only concerned because it’d effect their finances.
Well obviously. But it's still nice to see that occasionally they can be on the right side, if only out of naked self-interest in keeping the gravy train running


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 8, 2018, 15:31:53
Clubs won't, players will if playing in the new super league would effectively make them unable to play for their countries. That's still a significant honour for many and for the very top players winning a World Cup is a huge aspiration. Of course, you may be right that if enough money is waved at them they won't care and then it's a question of what happens if FIFA's bluff is called - will they be willing to devalue their own competition by not having the very best players competing in it?
Well obviously. But it's still nice to see that occasionally they can be on the right side, if only out of naked self-interest in keeping the gravy train running

Infantino is just trying to deflect attention from being further implicated in the Man City/PSG FFP avoidance scandal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: harrisonaw on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:21:18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46197761


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:51:24
Considering the riches he has helped bring in to the top flight, I don’t see an issue....it’s a non story really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:24:25
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46197761

And a fucking whacking great pension too no doubt


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 19:22:46
Is it all going to kick off between the EFL and the entitled championship clubs?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46267320?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46267320?__twitter_impression=true)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 25, 2018, 17:30:46
Crewe still covering up for paedos to avoid facing up to how much responsibility they face as a club for enabling them

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/25/dario-gradi-barry-bennell-crewe-alexandra-football-abuse-scandal

As Crewe have shut down their own whitewash/investigation, the FA and the Fooball League should hold an independent inquiry into Crewe specifically and ban all the enablers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 10, 2018, 10:31:06

An interesting article.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6476829/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Raheem-Sterling-Middle-aged-adults-screaming-brutal-abuse-stopped.html


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 10, 2018, 10:40:52
Ignoring the hypocrisy of the Mail publishing an anti hate and anti racism article, I guess I'm going to be in a minority here.

You take away the 'edge' side of atmosphere at football, you make it a sterile sport that I'd find pointless to watch.

the is a line, granted it's hard to define where that line is, but it's hopefully a long way away from polite clapping and songs of kum-ba-yah.

(I'm ignoring the racism part of the story, colour of skin should be irrelevant)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:08:14
Ignoring the hypocrisy of the Mail publishing an anti hate and anti racism article, I guess I'm going to be in a minority here.

You take away the 'edge' side of atmosphere at football, you make it a sterile sport that I'd find pointless to watch.

the is a line, granted it's hard to define where that line is, but it's hopefully a long way away from polite clapping and songs of kum-ba-yah.

(I'm ignoring the racism part of the story, colour of skin should be irrelevant)

I think you'e right to point it out.  Of course it probably has nothing to do with Sterling calling out newspapers (mentioning no names) for fostering racism.  Perhaps a point that Rich P could raise with Moreshead.

The atmosphere at Boca v River in the Bernabeu last night was amazing....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:44:54

The atmosphere at Boca v River in the Bernabeu last night was amazing....

Even given the nature of the rivalry between the two clubs, it doesn't seem right that the second leg of a major cup final should have to be played on a different continent.

Have to admire the fans, some of whom ended up bankrupt and / or divorced, for making the effort.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:14:41
Ignoring the hypocrisy of the Mail publishing an anti hate and anti racism article, I guess I'm going to be in a minority here.

You take away the 'edge' side of atmosphere at football, you make it a sterile sport that I'd find pointless to watch.

the is a line, granted it's hard to define where that line is, but it's hopefully a long way away from polite clapping and songs of kum-ba-yah.

(I'm ignoring the racism part of the story, colour of skin should be irrelevant)

You can have a great, partisan atmosphere without hurling abuse at someone stood 2 meters from you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:20:02
You can have a great, partisan atmosphere without hurling abuse at someone stood 2 meters from you.

Yes, and that's fine.
===
To nobody in particular:

If power is given to stewards to enforce a policy where will the line be drawn? 

In the past I've sang abusive songs about Scott Murray's inter-related family, and Joey Beauchamp's STD status. Is that still OK?

I've sang songs about hating Oxford, is that still OK?

Or will there be zero tolerance?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, December 10, 2018, 12:46:11
I'd say that 'the line' should reflect whatever is deemed acceptable / unacceptable according to current law.
(Which itself seems to be a bit muddled).

There used to be a message over the tannoy before games at the CG about minding the language or some such.
Haven't heard it for a while, but there's not much else clubs can do about general swearing for example.
Depends on volume of complaint, if any, I guess.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, December 10, 2018, 13:16:02
Yes, and that's fine.
===
To nobody in particular:

If power is given to stewards to enforce a policy where will the line be drawn? 

In the past I've sang abusive songs about Scott Murray's inter-related family, and Joey Beauchamp's STD status. Is that still OK?

I've sang songs about hating Oxford, is that still OK?

Or will there be zero tolerance?

It's tough because each person will have their own line. Personally don't have an issue with any chant so long as it's not racist or homophobic, but straight out screaming abuse is too far.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 10, 2018, 13:23:03
Yeah that seems sensible to me.

Hopefully common sense will prevail if it comes to it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 10, 2018, 14:10:14
I think you'e right to point it out.  Of course it probably has nothing to do with Sterling calling out newspapers (mentioning no names) for fostering racism. 
Sterling's instagram post does name names (well screenshot them). Take a bow of shame Anthony Joseph of the Daily Mail. Ex-Sun Editor David Yelland was on the radio this morning calling out his own former employer for their "appalling treatment" of Sterling and other black players as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 10, 2018, 14:15:40
Sterling's instagram post does name names (well screenshot them). Take a bow of shame Anthony Joseph of the Daily Mail. Ex-Sun Editor David Yelland was on the radio this morning calling out his own former employer for their "appalling treatment" of Sterling and other black players as well.

To be fair Anthony Joseph's defence does at least stop just short of suggesting that he is not racist as a 'he has a black friend'!

I also noticed that all the media is noting today that against the back drop of the latest Theresa May shit show Sterling has dropped, although the Daily Mail is reporting it as having dived?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, December 10, 2018, 18:02:28
Sterling's instagram post does name names (well screenshot them). Take a bow of shame Anthony Joseph of the Daily Mail. Ex-Sun Editor David Yelland was on the radio this morning calling out his own former employer for their "appalling treatment" of Sterling and other black players as well.

So is Morshead an underling of the aforementioned Joseph?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 09:12:05
So is Morshead an underling of the aforementioned Joseph?
No idea, I'm not familiar with the Mail's org chart


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, December 12, 2018, 10:10:17
Hearing rumours of Oxford moving to Bicester... and oddly some of their fans seem to support it. I mean, it's hardly the same as the MK franchise debacle but still it's gotta be about 20-30 mins from Oxford?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 12, 2018, 11:05:45
Hearing rumours of Oxford moving to Bicester... and oddly some of their fans seem to support it. I mean, it's hardly the same as the MK franchise debacle but still it's gotta be about 20-30 mins from Oxford?!

Surely not. Its like us moving to Chippenham.

They have expanded their 'regional training center' (youth football) there though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 13, 2018, 13:55:04
Also finished their training ground too, only took a year


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 13, 2018, 13:59:37
Also finished their training ground too, only took a year

But does it compare on scale with what Power is 'allegedly' building?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 13, 2018, 14:14:35
But does it compare on scale with what Power is 'allegedly' building?

Looks quite impressive, it's basically what we are building without the other bits for Power.

Took them a couple of years of negotiating to get the first spade in the ground, disputes over ownership with the Council, seems to be a joint venture so they share it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 20, 2018, 10:02:00
Lost £20m+ last year (on £23m turnover) and £9m+ the year before, how is football sustainable for Championship clubs?

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/2031260-championship-football-club-to-be-put-up-for-sale?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 09:27:10
 3rd round cup Saturday, and 5 games kicking off at 3:00.  There are I think 32 ties. When you get that sort of thing happening it makes not being in it better. I mean who'd fancy a 12:30 KO today as 7 ties are having to do. Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 14:13:51
Lost £20m+ last year (on £23m turnover) and £9m+ the year before, how is football sustainable for Championship clubs?

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/2031260-championship-football-club-to-be-put-up-for-sale?

Been losing money for about 25 years haven't they?! Ever since and just before Premiership relegation back in the early days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 14:16:16
Ever since that nice little Thai fella was involved. Wonder where he is now . . .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Saturday, January 5, 2019, 15:23:07
Supporting Town


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 10:27:30
Its just getting silly now, just say next season and be done with it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46807185


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 10:12:42
Blackpool could be on the verge of administation and a 12 point deduction.

Sky Sports have stopped betting on relegation.

Not good for them but if it means rid of the Oystens then thats goota be good for the club.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20190111-turmoil-at-blackpool-odds-on-seasiders-to-be-relegated-smashed-from-66-1-to-5-1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 10:21:04
I hope they pull through. We don't want another team in the mix at the bottom taking Oxford's relegation spot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 10:29:28
They do attract the best of humanity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46876707


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 10:33:01
They do attract the best of humanity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46876707

"It's totally out of character. Gavin is a quiet, respectful young man, who is totally devastated by this."

Hahaha. He sure is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 10:35:00
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanker!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 28, 2019, 01:16:29
After investing £9m in Notts County, owner Alan Hardy has put the club up for sale after ‘inadvertently’ tweeting a picture of his knob on Twitter. His account uses the handle #bigalan.

Staying local - rivals Forest have owners who, allegedly, are being investigated for drug trafficking.

Football does attract some ‘characters’. Good to see the FA’s fit and proper person test is proving so successful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 14:25:33
Is it really a surprise Sol? He is a dick but some of the abuse thrown at him over the years is just peculiar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47049643


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 14:31:16
Football's Diane Abbott.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 15:34:07
Is it really a surprise Sol? He is a dick but some of the abuse thrown at him over the years is just peculiar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47049643

Right on horlock, what exactly did he expect?

Quote from: Sol Campbell
"I don't understand why there is animosity towards a manager who has got nothing to do with their club other than being the opposition,"

Has Sol experienced memory loss? By the same logic why would fans have animosity towards a player who has got nothing to do with their club other than being the opposition?

Saw something about him receiving homophobic abuse the other day. He's married. But I do remember as a kid hearing "Campbells got Seaman up his arse" sung.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 15:41:58
After investing £9m in Notts County, owner Alan Hardy has put the club up for sale after ‘inadvertently’ tweeting a picture of his knob on Twitter. His account uses the handle #bigalan.

Staying local - rivals Forest have owners who, allegedly, are being investigated for drug trafficking.

Football does attract some ‘characters’. Good to see the FA’s fit and proper person test is proving so successful.

I just watched this. There was one burning question and the journalist bodged it. "Why have you got a photo of your old feller on your desktop"?  Odd man.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 17:45:55

Saw something about him receiving homophobic abuse the other day. He's married. But I do remember as a kid hearing "Campbells got Seaman up his arse" sung.

Wasn't the old rumour in the past relating to him and Di Matteo?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 31, 2019, 14:44:12
Heard about this a few weeks back but hoped they may change their mind and put some money into a more promising club like Swindon :D

A single American investor due to take over at Yeovil and has already pledged funds to give the manager in this transfer window.....they better pull their finger out!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46771599


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 1, 2019, 08:34:50
Not sure if this is the right thread as it was against Leeds, but Swanseas treatment of Dan James yesterday was a little naughty.

Agree a deal, let him go up to Leeds for medical ers and sit there waiting to be unveiled, then stop communicating or answering the phone from about 7 onwards so deal doesn't go through!

Sent from my SM-J330FN


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 11, 2019, 13:20:43
The VIP cheese room in Spurs new stadium now not happening. I know this will be a cause for sorrow for many on here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/11/tottenham-new-stadium-no-cheese-room-spurs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 11, 2019, 13:57:14
The VIP cheese room in Spurs new stadium now not happening. I know this will be a cause for sorrow for many on here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/11/tottenham-new-stadium-no-cheese-room-spurs

Its an Edam disgrace!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 11, 2019, 14:31:41
You Gouda laugh.

I guess it just wasn't meant to Brie.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 11, 2019, 14:49:01
With all the ongoing shambles with completing the stadium, this just about takes the (cheese and) biscuit!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 11, 2019, 15:35:28
Probably a good decision for the health of their VIP guests: can't have them getting feta


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 11, 2019, 17:56:08
Wasn't Clem's lot doing the lighting on that project, or something.  Maybe he can ensure there is a Cheddar Suite in the new CG as a learning experience from the Spurs debacle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, February 11, 2019, 18:03:26
400k a week for Aaron fucking Ramsay


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 11, 2019, 18:54:27
The VIP cheese room in Spurs new stadium now not happening. I know this will be a cause for sorrow for many on here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/11/tottenham-new-stadium-no-cheese-room-spurs
I do hope they thought Caerphilly before reaching this decision.

Sent from my SM-J330FN


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 11, 2019, 19:14:35
Quote from: tans
400k a week for Aaron fucking Ramsay

games gone


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 15:48:21
What the actual fuck....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcB3ctXGKM&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 07:33:32
Oh dear! The Wolf isn't the sharpest tool in the box is he?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 14:52:14
400k a week for Aaron fucking Ramsay

Heard a rumour that the 400k figure was false, and it's more like 275k. Either way...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 15:02:03
Heard a rumour that the 400k figure was false, and it's more like 275k. Either way...

400k gross maybe?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, February 22, 2019, 12:24:25
Not sure if this is the right topic for this but...

https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, February 22, 2019, 12:44:09
Not sure if this is the right topic for this but...

https://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/statement-coventry-city-confirm-receipt-of-letter-from-the-efl-board/

So 8th could yet be good enough to make the PO's.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 22, 2019, 12:52:01
jeez, what a clusterfuck sisu are.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 22, 2019, 13:38:52
What with Blackpool and Coventry both seemingly in the shit, I hear from other forums several other teams are in danger of admin too, the takeover at Yeovil looks to be faltering and the Yank taking over is said to be an assett stripper, Bristol Rovers owner also looking to sell up soon and sell on to another group of property developers.

Mansfield have apparently released a lot of their youngsters in a cost cutting exercise too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, February 22, 2019, 13:56:11


Mansfield have apparently released a lot of their youngsters in a cost cutting exercise too.

Thats probably flitcroft being a twat to be honest, we know how much he likes to play younger players and replace them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 22, 2019, 14:20:04
Thats probably flitcroft being a twat to be honest, we know how much he likes to play younger players and replace them
Not according to their forum, someone mentions it was to save money. Although what you say is true about him and youngsters.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, February 22, 2019, 19:39:10
And this is why I have no real issues with Power. In the grand scheme of things the clubs probably being ran in a sensible fashion. One or 2 poor appointment and initial poor communication has caused some irrational hatred of him in my opinion. Yes he's made some mistakes that's left us in this division but part of it is also down to other clubs spending money they don't have and will just implode eventually.

I just don't get why so many want him out at all costs, for every 1 owner that might improve things there are probably 20 chancers like Jed, Tiger, SISU etc. I still believe if that twat Kostiuk didn't exist and spout all his crap on FB there would be far less I'll feeling towards Power.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, February 22, 2019, 20:13:25
And this is why I have no real issues with Power. In the grand scheme of things the clubs probably being ran in a sensible fashion. One or 2 poor appointment and initial poor communication has caused some irrational hatred of him in my opinion. Yes he's made some mistakes that's left us in this division but part of it is also down to other clubs spending money they don't have and will just implode eventually.

I just don't get why so many want him out at all costs, for every 1 owner that might improve things there are probably 20 chancers like Jed, Tiger, SISU etc. I still believe if that twat Kostiuk didn't exist and spout all his crap on FB there would be far less I'll feeling towards Power.
Totally agree. Now seems to have a similar feeling to the beginning of the Macari years. Maybe this is a year of consolidation in L2 before a proper go at promotion next year. I like the way Wellans is talking long term and picking up what looks like the odd gem here and there.

But, I suspect that the game has changed since the 80s. Any whiff of the club moving forward at pace like in the 80s would see bigger fish coming in with big money to turn heads too early (much earlier than Blackburn for Shearer).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 25, 2019, 13:00:40
Notts County on the brink of Administration today too if rumours from their club are true. The owners company Paragon as in trouble financially.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11768/11647841/notts-county-in-danger-of-slipping-into-administration


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 25, 2019, 13:13:13
Seems like chickens are coming home to roost at more than a few clubs atm.

Financing a club on the back of the owner’s business is always a risky strategy.

Not a popular view, but maybe Power has it right - never thought I’d say that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 25, 2019, 13:24:39
Of course Power has it right, even if the execution of it is questionable at times. One of the biggest problems is that we're competing with so many others that are not doing it right.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 25, 2019, 14:05:51
Seems like chickens are coming home to roost at more than a few clubs atm.

Financing a club on the back of the owner’s business is always a risky strategy.

Not a popular view, but maybe Power has it right - never thought I’d say that!

I've always said running a financially sustainable club is the right way to go..... but with Power, there are unanswered questions like was the money generated by sales in the Cooper period reinvested into the club or did it go elsewhere?

Further if the owner doesn't have funds beyond what the club generates, to invest, what is the point of having an owner?

Clubs like Exeter and Wycombe have shown you can be viable in Div 4, owned by a Trust, so if we are now a middling Div 4 outfit, but sustainable, it would be a whole lot more fun to be Trust run.

As I've pointed out before the whole point of changing the Articles of Association back in the 80's when like now, we were sustainable as a Div 4 club, but didn't look like achieving much more, was to get wealthy individuals in to invest. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 25, 2019, 14:12:17
I've always said running a financially sustainable club is the right way to go..... but with Power, there are unanswered questions like was the money generated by sales in the Cooper period reinvested into the club or did it go elsewhere?

Further if the owner doesn't have funds beyond what the club generates, to invest, what is the point of having an owner?

Clubs like Exeter and Wycombe have shown you can be viable in Div 4, owned by a Trust, so if we are now a middling Div 4 outfit, but sustainable, it would be a whole lot more fun to be Trust run.

As I've pointed out before the whole point of changing the Articles of Association back in the 80's when like now, we were sustainable as a Div 4 club, but didn't look like achieving much more, was to get wealthy individuals in to invest. 

Every business has an owner, you can't not have one.  Some are a single person, others are millions of shareholders.  It is a source from which to raise funds for investment, an equally they sometimes expect a return on their investment.

Power has a long way to go in terms of transparency but the basic books show enough that suggest he's hardly milking us.  The loans to the business are reduced, the assets of the business have increased.  He has clearly used income from player sales to repay some of the loans he made to the business.  Whether people want to believe or not, the first couple of years of his tenure had to be funded somehow and nobody was giving money away.  I'd imagine the drying up of that talent conveyor belt is one of the reasons he has been interested in the Training ground development and getting something moving on the ground - without player sales, he had to invest money to pay the bills.  Getting some other income is needed longer term and the Training Ground developments give him an exit strategy if he wants it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 25, 2019, 14:16:22
If what Power has said he has done is actually what Power has done that's got to be a good thing. Not short term on the pitch, but in a longer term picture.

If he's repaid (a portion) of money owed to him that's great.

I'll forever be paranoid abou what gets left behind after he's gone though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 25, 2019, 14:21:57
Every business has an owner, you can't not have one.  Some are a single person, others are millions of shareholders.  It is a source from which to raise funds for investment, an equally they sometimes expect a return on their investment.

STFC managed the first 100 years of its existence without an owner as such, or millions of shareholders.  Power said he was here to make money... so one assumes he has made money, or continues to make money.  One assumes once he fails to make money he'll be out the door.... of course its highly likely he hopes to cash in on HIghworth and the CG, in the future, it's just most Town fans would like to see something a bit more immediate, like some home wins.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 25, 2019, 16:50:56
Even for those 100 years, I presume the Members were technically the owners.  Even a Co-operative has owners, and technically State owned entities are owned by the populace.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 25, 2019, 17:08:03
Even for those 100 years, I presume the Members were technically the owners.  Even a Co-operative has owners, and technically State owned entities are owned by the populace.

Yes.... technically the shareholders were the owners. The Board would consist of worthies with more shares than the average punter from the Works.  Yet they had to submit to re-election by the small shareholders.

It was perceived in the 80's that this model should be changed for the new Thatcherite times, to encourage thrusting wealthy entrepreneurs on board to drive us forward... we got Brian Hillier, of the noted Calne hair emporium... Guys and Dolls.

Happily, I can report that Calne still has a G and D... I assume the same one and not some hipster retro take.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, February 25, 2019, 21:48:01
‘Frank Lampard’s Derby County’, reminds me of all the times we were ‘Paolo Di Canio’s Swindon Town’

Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, February 25, 2019, 23:32:03
‘Frank Lampard’s Derby County’, reminds me of all the times we were ‘Paolo Di Canio’s Swindon Town’

Fuck off.

I absolutely loved being Paolo di canios Swindon town.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 09:07:18
‘Frank Lampard’s Derby County’, reminds me of all the times we were ‘Paolo Di Canio’s Swindon Town’

Fuck off.

Going to glorious when he gets the boot, Sky will be in mourning


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 12:31:29
Going to glorious when he gets the boot, Sky will be in mourning

Especially if Leeds go up too, its going to knacker their EFL coverage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 12:48:25
Especially if Leeds go up too, its going to knacker their EFL coverage
I see that if Lidls don't get promoted their owner could take away his backing as he can't afford another season in the Championship.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 13:10:57
I see that if Lidls don't get promoted their owner could take away his backing as he can't afford another season in the Championship.

Lets hope they blow it then


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 16:42:59
Port Vale taking tinpottery to another level

https://www.port-vale.co.uk/news/2019/february/report-to-moas/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 17:11:46
Port Vale taking tinpottery to another level

https://www.port-vale.co.uk/news/2019/february/report-to-moas/

Nice to see Cristian Montano formerly (briefly) of this parish getting a mention in the story....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 17:26:44
Bastards.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-47372856


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 17:27:04
Stoke has the Potters, Burslem the Tinpotters


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 18:11:33
Bastards.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-47372856
Fuck ‘em. They’re from Oxford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 21:25:21
I see that if Lidls don't get promoted their owner could take away his backing as he can't afford another season in the Championship.

From the paper report ?

The owner has already rubbished that
Looking at the current QPR score they seem to be doing their annual falling apart


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 09:43:16
From the paper report ?

The owner has already rubbished that
Looking at the current QPR score they seem to be doing their annual falling apart
No, reported on BBC news yesterday morning. They could have picked up on the newpaper I guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 09:58:08
No, reported on BBC news yesterday morning. They could have picked up on the newpaper I guess.

The BBC picked it up from the Daily Heil (see their 'gossip' page yesterday?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 10:09:19
The BBC picked it up from the Daily Heil (see their 'gossip' page yesterday?
I try not to infest my PC visiting "those type" of websites ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 10:20:24
I try not to infest my PC visiting "those type" of websites ;)

Just for the record its the BBC gossip page, I would not visit the Mail page as I have no interest in how 'grown up' 12 year old girls are looking.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 11:53:04
I see that if Lidls don't get promoted their owner could take away his backing as he can't afford another season in the Championship.

Here's a little something about Leeds under Hockaday...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/feb/27/david-hockaday-leeds-massimo-cellino-manager


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: stfcjack on Thursday, February 28, 2019, 14:47:16
wow

Charlton owner demanding that the EFL buys the club

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5c77e0391c719/owner-roland-duchatelet-demands-efl-acquire-charlton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, February 28, 2019, 15:57:14
wow

Charlton owner demanding that the EFL buys the club

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5c77e0391c719/owner-roland-duchatelet-demands-efl-acquire-charlton
"People said stuff that wasn't true and somebody damaged my property so I want out"

Madness. And to post it on the club site too?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 28, 2019, 20:40:47
Crewe. Again

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/28/crewe-barry-bennell-victim-waited-too-long-report-abuse-steve-walters


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, March 1, 2019, 08:26:18
EFL allows Natalie Christopher (Owen Oyston's daughter) to attend meeting, despite her having been removed from the board by the receiver. Good job the future of the club wasn't on the agenda... oh wait...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47374621

They way the ELF are going about things, Duchatelet's request for them to acquire Charlton doesn't seem so farfetched.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 4, 2019, 13:07:37
Guardiola's pushing the "reserve teams in Football League" shit again. Excellent riposte in the Grauniad about why it doesn't even work in Spain:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/26/pep-guardiola-reserve-teams-championship-spain


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2019, 13:42:28
Was having a look on other forums and picked up on this.

Winding Up Petitions against Football League clubs since June 2017.

Leyton Orient - June 2017 (HMRC)
Oldham Athletic - July 2017 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - July 2017 (HMRC)
Crawley Town - July 2017 (HMRC)
Carlisle United - Aug 2017 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - September 2017 (HMRC)
Oldham Athletic - October 2017 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - December 2017 (HMRC)
Morecambe - December 2017 (HMRC)

Crawley Town - Jan 2018 (Impact SM)
Oldham Athletic - Jan 2018 (HMRC)
Middlesbrough - Feb 2018 (Earth Energy Investments)
Macclesfield Town - Feb 2018 (HMRC)
Gillingham - Feb 2018 (City Electrical factors)
Bury FC - Mar 2018 (James Grant UK)
Carlisle United - Mar 2018 (HMRC)
Morecambe - March 2018 (HMRC)
Oxford United - March 2018 (HMRC)
Morecambe - April 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - May 2018 (HMRC)
Oldham Athletic - Jul 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - July 2018 (HMRC)
Southend United - Aug 2018 (HMRC)
Southend United - Aug 2018 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - September 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - October 2018 (HMRC)
Bury FC - Oct 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - October 2018 (HMRC)
Nottingham Forest - October 2018 (Impact SM)
Oxford United - November 2018 (HMRC)
Ipswich Town - November 2018 (Impact SM)
Southend United - Nov 2018 (HMRC)
Southend United - Dec 2018 (HMRC)

Bolton Wanderers - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Morecambe - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Oxford United - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - Feb 2019 (HMRC)
Notts County - Feb 2019
Morecambe - Feb 2019

Overseas WUP's

Bury FC - December 2017
Oldham Athletic - Mar 2018
Bolton Wanderers - Sep 2018
Oldham Athletic - Oct 2018
Southend United - Nov 2018
Tranmere Rovers - Jan 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41083617

A (year old) article about WUP's that briefly explain it.

Interestingly we aren't on the list at all but out yellow friends up the road are 3 times!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 4, 2019, 13:44:49
Was having a look on other forums and picked up on this.

Winding Up Petitions against Football League clubs since June 2017.

Leyton Orient - June 2017 (HMRC)
Oldham Athletic - July 2017 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - July 2017 (HMRC)
Crawley Town - July 2017 (HMRC)
Carlisle United - Aug 2017 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - September 2017 (HMRC)
Oldham Athletic - October 2017 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - December 2017 (HMRC)
Morecambe - December 2017 (HMRC)

Crawley Town - Jan 2018 (Impact SM)
Oldham Athletic - Jan 2018 (HMRC)
Middlesbrough - Feb 2018 (Earth Energy Investments)
Macclesfield Town - Feb 2018 (HMRC)
Gillingham - Feb 2018 (City Electrical factors)
Bury FC - Mar 2018 (James Grant UK)
Carlisle United - Mar 2018 (HMRC)
Morecambe - March 2018 (HMRC)
Oxford United - March 2018 (HMRC)
Morecambe - April 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - May 2018 (HMRC)
Oldham Athletic - Jul 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - July 2018 (HMRC)
Southend United - Aug 2018 (HMRC)
Southend United - Aug 2018 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - September 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - October 2018 (HMRC)
Bury FC - Oct 2018 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - October 2018 (HMRC)
Nottingham Forest - October 2018 (Impact SM)
Oxford United - November 2018 (HMRC)
Ipswich Town - November 2018 (Impact SM)
Southend United - Nov 2018 (HMRC)
Southend United - Dec 2018 (HMRC)

Bolton Wanderers - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Morecambe - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Oxford United - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Macclesfield Town - Jan 2019 (HMRC)
Bolton Wanderers - Feb 2019 (HMRC)

Overseas WUP's

Bury FC - December 2017
Oldham Athletic - Mar 2018
Bolton Wanderers - Sep 2018
Oldham Athletic - Oct 2018
Southend United - Nov 2018
Tranmere Rovers - Jan 2019
Notts County - Feb 2019
Morecambe - Feb 2019

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41083617

A (year old) article about WUP's that briefly explain it.

Interestingly we aren't on the list at all but out yellow friends up the road are 3 times!
Wow. Speaks volumes about the financial health of the game, interesting read. This should be on the "It could be worse thread"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2019, 13:46:24
Wow. Speaks volumes about the financial health of the game, interesting read. This should be on the "It could be worse thread"
I did wonder which thread to post it in TBH. But yes its a state.

EDIT.

In addition I read that today Boltons problems continue. Unpaid wages, players given the day off and apparently the training ground is closed due to lack of any food and fuel.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 4, 2019, 14:06:50
I did wonder which thread to post it in TBH. But yes its a state.

EDIT.

In addition I read that today Boltons problems continue. Unpaid wages, players given the day off and apparently the training ground is closed due to lack of any food and fuel.

Its all down to the due diligence associated with Ken selling the club taking longer than expected*, although that merely reinforces the point that he doesn't have a pot to piss in and thus cannot even afford to pay the wages before he sells the club, he does seem to be a northern version of Jed hoping to make a quick buck without spending any of his own cash!

They also owe the old bill for policing plus are due back in court later this month with the HMRC again, its a total shit show.

* Although it also appears this weekend that the takeover has possibly fallen on its arse during the due diligence phase with the buyers walking away, so if Ken cannot even afford to pay people, and there appears to be little chance of a saviour it is looking shitty for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2019, 14:09:50
Not forgetting the shit Coventry are in, too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 4, 2019, 14:15:42
Its all down to the due diligence associated with Ken selling the club taking longer than expected*, although that merely reinforces the point that he doesn't have a pot to piss in and thus cannot even afford to pay the wages before he sells the club, he does seem to be a northern version of Jed hoping to make a quick buck without spending any of his own cash!

They also owe the old bill for policing plus are due back in court later this month with the HMRC again, its a total shit show.

* Although it also appears this weekend that the takeover has possibly fallen on its arse during the due diligence phase with the buyers walking away, so if Ken cannot even afford to pay people, and there appears to be little chance of a saviour it is looking shitty for them.
I have no love or liking for Bolton but you have to feel a bit for their fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2019, 14:17:53
Wanker John McGinley


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 4, 2019, 14:21:05
I have no love or liking for Bolton but you have to feel a bit for their fans.

Likewise, if you want to see just how crap things are go on the Bolton News website for both the stories and the comments below.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 4, 2019, 16:22:38
Not forgetting the shit Coventry are in, too.

Potentially homeless and suing their current landlords (legally, it's more convoluted than that, but a good summary).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 10:26:38
rebounds from penalties not to count. hits post or keeper and it's a goal kick. seems utterly ridiculous way of getting round encroachment. just enforce it, re-take and book players if needed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 13:05:49
rebounds from penalties not to count. hits post or keeper and it's a goal kick. seems utterly ridiculous way of getting round encroachment. just enforce it, re-take and book players if needed.

Pretty sure that's a false rumour.

https://www.90min.com/posts/6311923-ifab-approves-several-new-law-changes-but-falsely-reported-penalty-rebound-rule-not-among-them?view_source=categories_page&view_medium=[google-news]

Actual changes include altering the definition of handball, substituted players being able to leave the field anywhere and attacking players not allowed in the wall


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 13:13:25
Pretty sure that's a false rumour.
Yup, as usual propagated by Sky:
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11655143/football-rules-how-will-new-ifab-laws-affect-the-game
Quote
This is an updated and corrected version of this article. The first edition mistakenly referred to a rule in relation to penalties which will not come into effect.
It was a proposal considered by the IFAB but not adopted. Looking forward to fans' intrepretations of "natural silhouette" being bellowed down my ear next season :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 15:05:30
Hopefully as much truth in this as there was in their reporting on the penalty ruling...

Quote
‏Verified account @SkySportsNews
44m44 minutes ago

BREAKING: Sky sources: @FA considering Shaun Harvey as replacement for chief executive Martin Glenn when Harvey leaves role as EFL chief executive at end of season. #SSN


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 17:04:13
Another fairytale
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47453599


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 17:10:37
Another fairytale
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47453599

Pretty sure I read that Derby are losing £3000 a month currently which is why owner looking to sell

Championship is a money pit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 5, 2019, 21:53:54
Pretty sure I read that Derby are losing £3000 a month currently which is why owner looking to sell
Erm, that's only £36k a year? There's corner shops lose more than that, and most football club chairmen would kill to only lose that much pcm, did you get a decimal point in the wrong place?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 05:11:41
Erm, that's only £36k a year? There's corner shops lose more than that, and most football club chairmen would kill to only lose that much pcm, did you get a decimal point in the wrong place?

 :suicide: something like that
3 million a month losses


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 08:58:33
:suicide: something like that
3 million a month losses
Yeah, that's a bit less corner shop :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, March 7, 2019, 10:27:18
never a pen in the psg/united game yesterday


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 7, 2019, 12:08:09
But the narrative, just think of the narrative.  The media now has something to wank over again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 10, 2019, 12:28:06
Birmingham fan just run on the pitch in the Villa game and lamped Jack grealish from behind.

Disgusting


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 10, 2019, 12:43:54
Sort of game where you want both sides to lose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 10, 2019, 13:28:19
twat.

but Grealish has just scored,  so last laugh maybe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, March 10, 2019, 13:41:08
Steward got escorted away by police during the celebrations too....

 :bye:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 10, 2019, 14:07:34
Birmingham fan just run on the pitch in the Villa game and lamped Jack grealish from behind.

Disgusting

That'll be him banned for life. What a stupid, needless thing to do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 10, 2019, 14:57:06
Birmingham should be made to play the next home game behind closed doors and a further nine for allowing in a flat cap wearer in the first place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, March 11, 2019, 12:26:44
Interesting to see how the pundits are now saying Birmingham should be made to play games behind closed doors as a stronger deterrent. This guy is going to be banned for life... is he (and others like him) going to be bothered that everybody else will have to miss a match too?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 11, 2019, 13:07:23
Smacking someone from behind is totally out of order so the guy should be shamed for that alone. Total wanker.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 11, 2019, 13:10:19
Interesting to see how the pundits are now saying Birmingham should be made to play games behind closed doors as a stronger deterrent. This guy is going to be banned for life... is he (and others like him) going to be bothered that everybody else will have to miss a match too?

The punch specifically will no doubt be dealt with through the criminal justice system, but Birmingham should have to explain a) why their stewards didn't intervene and b) why their fans largely clapped him off.

Not that I think the situation would have been different at any other club particularly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, March 11, 2019, 13:17:43
The punch specifically will no doubt be dealt with through the criminal justice system, but Birmingham should have to explain a) why their stewards didn't intervene and b) why their fans largely clapped him off.

Not that I think the situation would have been different at any other club particularly.
Already been in court this morning,  being sentenced this afternoon,   courts didn't hang about on this one.
Bet the wanker wouldn't have hit him if it had been face to face,  you've got to be really hard to hit someone from behind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, March 11, 2019, 13:27:52
David Cotterill saying there should be armed police at matches. God sake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 11, 2019, 13:55:57
remember a few years back when a Town fan ran out of the Townend and pushed the Orient keeper, what kind of sentence did he get?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 11, 2019, 13:57:53
David Cotterill saying there should be armed police at matches. God sake.

Yeah, cos if you discharge a firearm and it misses its target the bullet just drops the the floor immediately doesn't it!  :suicide: :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 11, 2019, 14:00:34
remember a few years back when a Town fan ran out of the Townend and pushed the Orient keeper, what kind of sentence did he get?

Banned from football for three years and ordered to work 150 hours unpaid..

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10955289.swindon-town-pitch-invader-banned-from-football-for-three-years/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, March 11, 2019, 14:15:33
I remember this idiot but don't recall what the lead up to it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI2gSMdOE6A


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 11, 2019, 14:18:04
Banned from football for three years and ordered to work 150 hours unpaid..

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10955289.swindon-town-pitch-invader-banned-from-football-for-three-years/

Cheers - banned from the CG for life according to the last paragraph. Some would say that's hardly a punishment!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 11, 2019, 14:40:07
Sid Sellars also got banned a few years before that but he attacked the ref after running onto the pitch from the DRS.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, March 11, 2019, 15:35:38
Yeah, cos if you discharge a firearm and it misses its target the bullet just drops the the floor immediately doesn't it!  :suicide: :suicide:

Quite!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, March 11, 2019, 15:51:10
14 week jail sentence and a ten year banning order.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 11, 2019, 16:13:06
14 week jail sentence and a ten year banning order.

I assume sentencing guidelines have changed somewhat since laddo at the CG just got community service and a much shorter banning order!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 11, 2019, 16:14:55
I am sure Mr Grealish could really do with that £100!

Mitchell, of Cock Hill Lane, was also ordered to pay £350 in fine and costs and has been banned from attending any football matches in the UK for 10 years.

The £350 includes £100 in compensation for Grealish's "pain, discomfort and shock".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 11, 2019, 16:20:29
I am sure Mr Grealish could really do with that £100!

Mitchell, of Cock Hill Lane, was also ordered to pay £350 in fine and costs and has been banned from attending any football matches in the UK for 10 years.

The £350 includes £100 in compensation for Grealish's "pain, discomfort and shock".

I would assume such awards take no account of the victims financial circumstances and if Grealish has any sense he will be publicly donating to charity at the first opportunity bringing a close to the whole sorry affair.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, March 11, 2019, 16:23:49
I assume sentencing guidelines have changed somewhat since laddo at the CG just got community service and a much shorter banning order!

Nah that's just the lightweight sentences handed out here, Leeds fan got 16 week jail for hitting Kirkland in 2012 with a 6 year banning order.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 11, 2019, 16:26:54
I would assume such awards take no account of the victims financial circumstances and if Grealish has any sense he will be publicly donating to charity at the first opportunity bringing a close to the whole sorry affair.

Agreed with that. You are probably right about the financial awards, it just seems silly to be awarding a multi-millionaire such a small fee in compo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, March 11, 2019, 16:30:15
I am sure Mr Grealish could really do with that £100!

Mitchell, of Cock Hill Lane, was also ordered to pay £350 in fine and costs and has been banned from attending any football matches in the UK for 10 years.

The £350 includes £100 in compensation for Grealish's "pain, discomfort and shock".

Probably paid at the rate of fiver a week


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 09:54:48
Crewe. Again

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/28/crewe-barry-bennell-victim-waited-too-long-report-abuse-steve-walters
And while Crewe continue to prevaricate, undermine the victims and try to shove their own involvement under the carpet, Man City show how it should be done:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47532719


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 10:44:45
Man City can afford to.
Crewe must be doing it on a legal/financial basis and sod morality


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 11:12:14
Man City can afford to.
Crewe must be doing it on a legal/financial basis and sod morality
Crewe might not be able to afford the multi-million pound settlements, but it would cost them nothing to treat the victims with some decency and show some chagrin for their own appalling failings.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 11:35:35
I agree wholeheartedly.

I just imagine a lawyer telling them to keep schtum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:44:17
I would assume such awards take no account of the victims financial circumstances and if Grealish has any sense he will be publicly donating to charity at the first opportunity bringing a close to the whole sorry affair.

Don't see any need for Grealish to donate it anywhere, but if I were him I'd be donating the cash towards a Villa-related project (e.g. disabled fans or work in the community) just to rub the guy's nose in it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 13:51:10
Don't see any need for Grealish to donate it anywhere, but if I were him I'd be donating the cash towards a Villa-related project (e.g. disabled fans or work in the community) just to rub the guy's nose in it.
Nah he should put it on a bet that Brum will be relegated to the Conference by 2022 and pose for photos with the betting slip


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:25:21
Nah he should put it on a bet that Brum will be relegated to the Conference by 2022 and pose for photos with the betting slip
Or that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:28:44
Also good to see Birmingham clamping down on this sorry individual.

"The Club has also banned another supporter for life for a series of vile and malicious Tweets on social media, relating to Jack Grealish and his family."

Who tweeted that "even though Grealish scored, it would never bring back his dead brother. HAHAHAHAHAH" (not exact wording but you get the gist)

I don't know what is wrong with some of the human species these days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:41:19
Wonder what became of the flat cap.
Dislodged in the melee.
An addition to Villa's trophy cabinet, pride of place on JG's mantelpiece?
Who knows.

Very difficult for any club to legislate for this kind of thing.
At least there was one steward in hot pursuit.

Saw a reasonable suggestion in the paper today.
Play the next repeat fixture behind closed doors, which might serve to vilify these individuals as opposed to having them applauded off the pitch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 14:45:33

I don't know what is wrong with some of the human species these days.

I dunno, reminds me of one of the highlights on Saturday when one of our fans in response to a decision going against Town stood up and verbally berated (at length with a full jabbing fist) the terrace to our right behind the goal, a terrace that was entirely empty of people!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 18, 2019, 20:25:17
Will people never learn?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-47527747


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 07:38:37
Sunderland selling limited edition Checkatrade trophy shirts, and them and Pompey selling out.

Bunch of cunts, now the EFL will justify the competiton even more, and those boycotts are all in vain.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 09:27:55
Will people never learn?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-47527747

Who was the last lot this was tried with?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 09:30:18
Who was the last lot this was tried with?
There's been a few iterations but the 1st one was about 15 years ago with MyFootballClub buying Gravesend and Northfleet IIRC. It was a shambles then and the various schemes/scams since haven't improved on it. Think it's also been tried in France or somewhere in Europe. Always ends up with the club in question in a mess and the "owners" complaining about not enough control, losing their money etc. Some of them have just looked little more than out and out scams tbh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 09:35:39
Neither of those ring a bell. Which one did Fatbury get involved in?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 09:36:12
Ebbsfleet?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, March 19, 2019, 09:38:54
I googled it, they're one and the same. Stupid idea anyway. Imagine owning a club with fucking fatbury.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 21, 2019, 13:23:08
Crewe, again, they should just own up to their responsibility in standing by and allowing dozens of young kids to be raped, instead of compounding the offence by trying to lie their way out of it. When they are eventually made to pay damages, I hope the judge takes them to the fucking cleaners, especially the board members concerned

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/mar/20/barry-bennell-expenses-claim-crewe-legal-defence-boys-stay


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 21, 2019, 13:52:46
Grim.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 22, 2019, 12:52:16
A reminder that the women's game starting (and I emphasise "starting") to catch up to the men's game in terms of status and popularity etc isn't all positive:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47661471


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, March 25, 2019, 13:01:20
Fabian Schar of Newcastle United and Switzerland got knocked out cold whilst on International duty to the extent where an opposition player had to put his hand in his mouth to prevent him from choking on his tongue.
After some treatment from the physio/doctors they let him carry on playing.

There's been a lot of focus on head injuries in recent years which makes this even more crazy to see him allowed to carry on.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 12:27:01
Crewe have finally agreed to pay compo to one of Bennell's victims, apparently advised by lawyers to settle out of court to limit the damages. But still refused to apologise to the player. Fucking appalling disgrace of a club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, March 29, 2019, 08:17:55
AFC Bournemouth wage bill of £101.8m last season. Rose by 42% culminating the club making a loss. But yeah, still a fairytale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 29, 2019, 09:30:37
AFC Bournemouth wage bill of £101.8m last season. Rose by 42% culminating the club making a loss. But yeah, still a fairytale.

That's absolutely obscene. They get crowds of 12,000 FFS. Premier League gravy train bullshit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 30, 2019, 22:28:25
The EFL wanking over Sunderland and Portsmouths support for the checkatrade final. Fuck off. Cunts the lot of them, defeating the whole boycotting of the competion


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 30, 2019, 22:49:31
yup


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, March 31, 2019, 14:05:36
10 years or so ago, when Sunderland and Portsmouth were regularly gracing the top league and winning FA cups, this is the dream they obviously both had about how to take that further and create a club of legends


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, March 31, 2019, 14:39:07
I'd go if Swindon made the final again. I'm not going to pretend that wouldn't be the case and, to be honest, I haven't really boycotted the competition either.

I've never taken the Football League Trophy seriously under any of its guises. Living in Bristol and Swindon drawing Bristol Rovers at the Mem (like we did) means I'm going.

The current format isn't good and I'd prefer the competition to be axed outright but it's not worth getting in a tizz over.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 1, 2019, 09:05:47
The EFL wanking over Sunderland and Portsmouths support for the checkatrade final. Fuck off. Cunts the lot of them, defeating the whole boycotting of the competion

Thing is, its two reasonably big clubs with a bloody big fan base who have had a shitty time of it for a fair few years, actually a fairly perfect final for the FL as they were always going to bring a decent few along starved of success.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 1, 2019, 12:46:15
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47775433

5 reds in a season is quite some going, although I can understand wanting to land one on Scott Brown!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, April 1, 2019, 16:43:51
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47775433

5 reds in a season is quite some going, although I can understand wanting to land one on Scott Brown!

I quite like Scott Brown. He's one of a few players these days who can take a hard tackle and laugh it off.

The second one on this clip makes me laugh every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4zpf2SGU9k


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 1, 2019, 22:05:53
I quite like Scott Brown. He's one of a few players these days who can take a hard tackle and laugh it off.

The second one on this clip makes me laugh every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4zpf2SGU9k

Not seen that before, that's great


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 11:24:42
I quite like Scott Brown. He's one of a few players these days who can take a hard tackle and laugh it off.

The second one on this clip makes me laugh every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4zpf2SGU9k


The playing equivalent of the knob in Stone Island standing behind a row of police showing how hard he is by shouting 'come on then' at opposing supporters knowing they cannot react.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 18:20:30
Duckenfield still getting away with it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 15:22:19
The Oxford owner claims they have to pay 1M/year to use that 'stadium'. Kassam says it is not that much, though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 16:34:02
Kassam issued winding up order No. 4, again for non payment of rent. Oxford (spit) only paid him an instalment of the rent owing at that time.

The debts - to Kassam at least - are accruing. He may well benefit hugely if the club folds and he can build houses on the site.

I’m undecided if I’d actually like to see them disappear or just return to their natural position of being under our cosh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 4, 2019, 22:06:13
Kassam issued winding up order No. 4, again for non payment of rent. Oxford (spit) only paid him an instalment of the rent owing at that time.

The debts - to Kassam at least - are accruing. He may well benefit hugely if the club folds and he can build houses on the site.

I’m undecided if I’d actually like to see them disappear or just return to their natural position of being under our cosh.
Pass them on the way up as they go down would be my preference


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 5, 2019, 08:35:06
Duckenfield still getting away with it

I have no sympathy for Duckenfield, however he is entitled to due legal process and you as one who has (rightly) in the past made this point when people choose to play judge and jury on here rather devalue yourself by that comment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 5, 2019, 09:08:16
I have no sympathy for Duckenfield, however he is entitled to due legal process and you as one who has (rightly) in the past made this point when people choose to play judge and jury on here rather devalue yourself by that comment.
I didn't say he wasn't. He is entitled to due process, of course, he will now be retried and he may get off in a second trial. He's still a scumbag. For me, he and many others should be in jail for the cover-up, as much as their actions on the day. I do have some sympathy for his defence that he is no more or less guilty than most of the senior hierarchy of S Yorks police of that time and that he is being made something of a scapegoat. That doesn't make him any less culpable, just because others who are also culpable are not in the dock alongside him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 12:15:33
Not sure where to post this, 2 days ago the Football League released figures of agent fees paid by clubs, we have paid a lot lot less than most clubs in this division with 3 or 4 very high spenders like MKD, Mansfailed, Northampton, Port Vale and Cheltnumb all spending between 3 and 5 times as much as the Town have in the period up to Jan 31st this year.

Makes our outlay of £18k seem fairly low in comparison.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3To6UcWwAAFtTq.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 12:19:06
Also, if there weren't enough reasons....heres another reason to hate MKD.

https://www.Franchise.com/news/2019/april/collect-a-free-clap-banner-on-saturday-and-enjoy-a-free-nandos/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 12:25:50
Cooperman moaning again about FGR being bankrolled, it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to see how he is being bankrolled when they have crowds of little more than 1/3 what Town have.

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/sport/17551458.cooper-disappointed-with-playing-budget-claims/?ref=ar


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 12:45:11
Gordon Strachan comparing potential abuse for Adam Johnson to racist abuse towards black players. Fuck sake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 18:14:26
https://www.wiganathletic.com/news/2019/april/club-statement-racist-twitter-abuse-of-nathan-byrne/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 18:26:20
Disgusting what was written to him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 18:45:13
Disgusting what was written to him
By Brizzle fans I assume? Either way,fair play to Wigan for taking a public stand


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 18:59:58
Apparently a Manchester United 'fan' from Sheffield, either way he is a true piece of filth and hopefully the police will knock on his door shortly


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 19:30:13
Probably just 'bust' his 'acca'.

Idiot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 19:34:44
Remarkably stupid as well. As if he's going to get away with it. I'm in no way encouraging it but if you are going to be a cunt, at least be a smart cunt.

Although, we should be grateful that bellends like this seem willing to expose themselves so publicly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 19:38:15
Remarkably stupid as well. As if he's going to get away with it. I'm in no way encouraging it but if you are going to be a cunt, at least be a smart cunt.

Although, we should be grateful that bellends like this seem willing to expose themselves so publicly.
Dunno, personally I'm not all that keen on publicly exposed bellends but each to their own I suppose


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 19:40:19
And further incidents at Derby and Northampton as well:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47840890


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 19:45:46
Dunno, personally I'm not all that keen on publicly exposed bellends but each to their own I suppose

Lolz.

Don't lie Paul


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 19:57:18
And further incidents at Derby and Northampton as well:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47840890

The racism problem is definitely getting worse! Sad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 6, 2019, 20:09:29
I dunno, I think out never went away totally, it seems to be these vile people think it's ok to resurface at the moment.

we are moving in the right direction, it's going to take time.

 it wasn't long ago certain sections did monkey chants and threw bananas on the pitch.

Society won't tolerate that now. there's no magic button to rid us of racists, but stronger laws and social morality will eventually get us there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 09:14:08
https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/padiham-fc-fined-for-walking-off-the-pitch-in-stand-against-alleged-racist-abuse-1-9698951


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 09:27:20


 it wasn't long ago certain sections did monkey chants and threw bananas on the pitch

You’re right, it was only a couple of months ago

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/12/02/tottenham-fan-arrested-banana-skin-thrown-pierre-emerick-aubameyang/amp/

Racists are more emboldened across scociety more generally, but I also think football got complacent


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 09:56:34

Racists are more emboldened across scociety more generally, but I also think football got complacent

It seems to be cyclical to a  strange degree, I recall it got very bad in the mid 90's when I was a student and seems to have re-emerged again now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 10:05:08
There’s a storm a brewin’ I tells ya

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1111950620318150657


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 10:07:02
When I started going to football it was almost the "norm" to be racist, or so it seemed on the terraces. Back in the 70s it was a very different society though which that seemed to be a pretty standard state of affairs in life as well as football, with even politicians and police being racist in public almost daily.

It eased off a bit in the late 90s but it was always there, especially so at the bigger London team such as Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham but mostly at Millwall. Some things never go away they just change in their delivery.

There used to be a handful of Town fans that constantly abused opposition black players, every game without fail, making monkey noises or shouting "chop the chimp" which I remember hearing vividly at most home games in the late 70s despite the exact same Town fans singing Chris Kamaras name in the same game or singing out the name Rambo at Chris Ramsey or even Gary Williams who was a pacey fullback and Bobby Barnes too who was adored by Town fans.

I personally havent heard anything much at any Town game for years but as I have been to less than 30 games home and away in 10 years that could explain it. When you are at matches you hear the individual shouts of abuse at players/manager/owner/racist chants far more than you can actually hear on the radio etc.

This has always been a problem accross europe more than in the UK with the racist chants never going away, ever, and always being a part of society.

I have friends (and friends of friends) who are Romanian, Bulgarian, Polish etc and they are outwardly and overtly racist in their day to day life, using the worst offensive terms as the norm in conversation. For them - people whos skin colour is darker than theirs seem to be treated as the lowest form of human in their society.

Its a problem that is far wider spread than just football but rarely do so many people come together in one place at one time other than at football matches. In our society you could probably say that maybe 2% could be classed as racists, maybe another 1% of those would be vocally racist.

That means a match with 60,000 fans then possibly 800 of that number could harbour racist views but if 1% of that is vocal then thats still up to 80 fans being vocal about it. I would say that Millwall that figure would be much higher with probably 10% or more holding overtly racist views but of course with a much smaller fan base.

Basically there will always be some racist fans in such a massive number of attendees at games its down to the authorities to stamp out what they can when they catch them, the only way is by it becoming totally unacceptable in society. Also it will be down to fans of each club to "grass" on their own fans until it becomes totally eradicated (if ever) inside the ground and in general.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 11:17:18
Bury’s winding up order is heard tomorrow. By all accounts it is being uncontested by the club!

The result of that scenario is that they will fold.

Jesus!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 11:33:58
Bet they survive, lost count of how many times that clubs have been on the brink in last 20 odd years.

Hope they survive although I suppose one will go someday which would be a shame


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 13:33:16
Bet they survive, lost count of how many times that clubs have been on the brink in last 20 odd years.

Hope they survive although I suppose one will go someday which would be a shame

Sad to say, but it could do with a club going bang to just hopefully rein things in a bit!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 16:14:35
If they go (hope not) is their record expunged?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 16:30:36
Bet they survive, lost count of how many times that clubs have been on the brink in last 20 odd years.

Hope they survive although I suppose one will go someday which would be a shame

By my count about 9  league clubs have gone pop or just about pop in the last say 30 or so years.  Most of them have come back as phoenix clubs at a lower level, or just  about hung on as an original but much further down the pyramid.  I'm not counting Bristol City, as just about outside the time frame.

There may be others, but Scarborough, Maidstone, Aldershot, Darlo, Halifax, Chester, Rushden and Diamonds, Hereford and Boston.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 16:56:18
Bury’s winding up order is heard tomorrow. By all accounts it is being uncontested by the club!

The result of that scenario is that they will fold.

Jesus!
Where have you seen that? No mention of it on BBC or local paper


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 19:45:09
Where have you seen that? No mention of it on BBC or local paper

https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17560867.bury-north-mp-james-frith-writes-to-bury-fc-owner-steve-dale-to-seek-assurances-over-clubs-future/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 20:25:30
https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17560867.bury-north-mp-james-frith-writes-to-bury-fc-owner-steve-dale-to-seek-assurances-over-clubs-future/
Yeah, I read that.No mention of them not contesting the winding up petition


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 20:26:18
Yeah, I read that.No mention of them not contesting the winding up petition

Of course they will.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 20:29:35
Of course they will.
Well that's what I would have thought, but Aubrey said he'd seen it said they wouldn't. Hence my question


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 08:17:46
Isn't doing this the day before the winding up petition is to be heard a little late.... https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/17561975.bury-council-offers-to-get-to-the-bottom-of-financial-problems-facing-bury-fc/?ref=mr&lp=7


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 08:28:07
Well that's what I would have thought, but Aubrey said he'd seen it said they wouldn't. Hence my question
Just on their message board. One of the more clued up posters said his interpretation of the winding up order was that it would go uncontested.

Could have been Bury’s version of Reg, of course!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 08:50:35
Rumour that Chris Brass is happy to wait for his money until September on the proviso staff get paid this week


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 13:23:05
Adjourned until the 15th May. Between now and then they hope to settle the £277,000 they owe HMRC plus players/staff pay other outstanding debts.

This is against TV income (?) and gate receipts, new ST sales etc.

Mmmmm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 13:34:27
Adjourned until the 15th May. Between now and then they hope to settle the £277,000 they owe HMRC plus players/staff pay other outstanding debts.

This is against TV income (?) and gate receipts, new ST sales etc.

Mmmmm

Potentially this sounds like a never ending cycle of debt for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 15:48:58
"Bury players are going on a 48-hour strike from training and are not intending to play their game on Saturday unless guarantees have been made by the Bury owner over their unpaid wages"



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 09:05:59
If for any reason they are placed in administration then they will be docked 12 points, leaving them on the same total as Swindon (59) but obviously with a far better goal difference.

That would open the play off race even more.

Straws clutched firmly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 09:29:26
From a selfish perspective I have an open bet on Lincoln, Mansfield and Franchise all being promoted so having these issues at Bury is helpful.

Of course I hope they get through it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 09:39:51
Of course I hope they get through it.
Oh absolutely, but a spanner in the works at this stage of the season cannot be good for them and could be very good for the rest of the chasing teams.

Their board have missmanaged the club for several years now, sailing close to the wind on many occassions with weird loans based upon promotions etc with massive interest rates.

It was only a matter of time before this sort of thing blew up in their faces.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 14:26:00
Reading their reason for adjournment until 15th May is not pretty.  Basically, their post season funds are going to be swallowed to cover this, which begs the question how will they fund ongoing expenses over the summer?  I'd imagine a huge clear out of players is about to happen, so even if they survive unscathed by things such as Admin, they look likely to be a basket case for next season regardless of division.  The owner is essentially saying as much in public.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 15:22:03
Coventry heading back out on the road:

https://twitter.com/coventry_city/status/1116347787099148289?s=21



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 15:49:12
Coventry heading back out on the road:

https://twitter.com/coventry_city/status/1116347787099148289?s=21



Lee Power missed a trick there in ensuring L1 football at the CG next season.
Only if some extra tickets for The Specials gigs at Coventry Cathedral were offered up though. >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 11, 2019, 20:27:58
Coventry heading back out on the road:

https://twitter.com/coventry_city/status/1116347787099148289?s=21


Absolute disgrace the FA and FL continue to permit this kind of shit. Guardians of the game, my arse!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, April 12, 2019, 19:37:17
You wait all that time for your stadium rebuild and then get banned after only a couple of games!  :doh:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47915073


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 11:39:47
You wait all that time for your stadium rebuild and then get banned after only a couple of games!  :doh:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47915073

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you modern football.

One of the Holy Trinity of activities that must be conducted standing up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 18:37:11
Joey Barton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 14, 2019, 08:33:38
Joey Barton

something doesn't add up with this story. he was prevented from leaving by the police, not arrested and will be assisting next week with some more information.

Then on the other side you had any sports presenter reporting Barnsley manager in a bad way receiving medical attention and Barnsley players tweeting that Barton had headbutted him/knocked him out and had blood pouring everywhere.

The 2 above don't really go together.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 14, 2019, 15:56:57
something doesn't add up with this story. he was prevented from leaving by the police, not arrested and will be assisting next week with some more information.

Then on the other side you had any sports presenter reporting Barnsley manager in a bad way receiving medical attention and Barnsley players tweeting that Barton had headbutted him/knocked him out and had blood pouring everywhere.

The 2 above don't really go together.
Why not? Coppers stopped him leaving the scene so they could speak to him, spoke to him, ascertained he'd be available for interview at a later date, let him go about his business while they interview witnesses/alleged victim etc. Then when they speak to him next week or whenever, they have a full picture and can put the allegations to him to refute or admit. Don't see the problem?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 14, 2019, 19:10:48
Why not? Coppers stopped him leaving the scene so they could speak to him, spoke to him, ascertained he'd be available for interview at a later date, let him go about his business while they interview witnesses/alleged victim etc. Then when they speak to him next week or whenever, they have a full picture and can put the allegations to him to refute or admit. Don't see the problem?

it would be quite an easy case to arrest him on the spot would it not?

This attack obviously happen in front of loads of people and the police were called for that reason. if that had happened to me and I heard the police spoke to him and will get him back in for a chat in a few days times I'd be pretty pissed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 14, 2019, 19:37:07
it would be quite an easy case to arrest him on the spot would it not?
Yes, but then they'd be interviewing him without having all the witness statements, CCTV evidence etc available to them plus starting the countdown to charge/release unnecessarily. Why make it harder to prove your case if you don't need to? If when he comes in they consider that they have sufficient evidence to charge him, he'll be formally arrested and charged then, it's not always "Sling im in the cuffs sarge and let's get im darn the nick". Think you've been watching too many old episodes of The Bill


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, April 14, 2019, 19:46:43
Yes, but then they'd be interviewing him without having all the witness statements, CCTV evidence etc available to them plus starting the countdown to charge/release unnecessarily. Why make it harder to prove your case if you don't need to? If when he comes in they consider that they have sufficient evidence to charge him, he'll be formally arrested and charged then, it's not always "Sling im in the cuffs sarge and let's get im darn the nick". Think you've been watching too many old episodes of The Bill

PaulD is right, the police are almost totally risk adverse these days. What a world we live in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 14, 2019, 21:02:36
Yes, but then they'd be interviewing him without having all the witness statements, CCTV evidence etc available to them plus starting the countdown to charge/release unnecessarily. Why make it harder to prove your case if you don't need to? If when he comes in they consider that they have sufficient evidence to charge him, he'll be formally arrested and charged then, it's not always "Sling im in the cuffs sarge and let's get im darn the nick". Think you've been watching too many old episodes of The Bill

if that happened on a night out in town id be amazed that they would let them walk away after multiple witnesses and a bad assault. thought that in this situation they would have enough on the spot evidence to charge him straight away.

assuming that because he is well known they let him go as they know he can be reached. if it was a fan for example that did it would be different.

 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 15, 2019, 08:19:15
I agree with you, Iffy.  Can't see the average hooligan being treated as Barton.

However, discretion may be the better part of valour here.  Barton will be accessing lawyers a tad more fearsome and resourced than the average hooligan's duty solicitor.  If he is to be prosecuted, it would make sense that it proves  successful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 15, 2019, 08:59:04
I agree with you, Iffy.  Can't see the average hooligan being treated as Barton.

However, discretion may be the better part of valour here.  Barton will be accessing lawyers a tad more fearsome and resourced than the average hooligan's duty solicitor.  If he is to be prosecuted, it would make sense that it proves  successful.

Seem to be taking their time....

https://www.fleetwoodtoday.co.uk/sport/football/fleetwood-town/fleetwood-town-have-had-no-contact-from-south-yorkshire-police-and-head-coach-joey-barton-has-not-yet-been-asked-to-aid-enquiries-into-an-alleged-assault-on-barnsley-boss-daniel-stendel-1-9711150

Yet up here, punch up and extras outside boozer late Saturday night, guy charged with attempted murder yesterday morning and in court this morning.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 12:45:54
Fuck sake.... I don't believe this for a bloody minute....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47946382


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 13:03:04
Fuck sake.... I don't believe this for a bloody minute....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47946382
This is on the same unbelievalibilty level as Joleon Lescotts excuse for that car tweet that time

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/joleon-lescott-tweet-aston-villa-player-claims-car-picture-was-tweeted-by-accident-as-fans-fume-a6874611.html%3famp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, April 16, 2019, 16:31:18
"The panel said other photographs from the evening showed Hennessey's arm "raised in slightly different but comparable postures" that "at its lowest" demonstrates he was trying to attract the attention of the photographer, Jordan Bussolini."

More like trying to attract the attention of Mr Mussolini


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019, 14:53:10
Joey Barton

A man has been arrested..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47963144


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, April 21, 2019, 12:24:24
Bristol Sport taking the piss... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47960714


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 21, 2019, 14:07:27
Bristol Sport taking the piss... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-47960714
Is it an April fool or were the knobheads really buying them ?.
Looks like Lee Power missed a trick there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, April 21, 2019, 15:10:23
We did the same with branded tobelerones at a crazy mark up over Christmas - I’m sure most teams did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 12:49:09
"The panel said other photographs from the evening showed Hennessey's arm "raised in slightly different but comparable postures" that "at its lowest" demonstrates he was trying to attract the attention of the photographer, Jordan Bussolini."

More like trying to attract the attention of Mr Mussolini

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2019/apr/23/david-squires-on-wayne-hennessey-and-the-nazis


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 17:53:47
West Ham requested their game vs Southampton be brought forward to 12.30 so their fans could also go to the ladies FA Cup final later that same day

Request denied


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 20:28:00
West Ham requested their game vs Southampton be brought forward to 12.30 so their fans could also go to the ladies FA Cup final later that same day

Request denied
Nice to see the football authorities all singing from the same hymn sheet as usual


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, April 25, 2019, 19:21:04
https://www.ctfc.com/news/2019/april/clappers-to-be-on-seats-for-swindon-game/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 25, 2019, 20:27:01
Reg used to take a rattle, what's the problem?

Maybe they could put some Fans on the seats?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, April 25, 2019, 20:45:34
https://www.ctfc.com/news/2019/april/clappers-to-be-on-seats-for-swindon-game/

My knowledge of Cheltenham Town & what goes on there is not what it could be, I'll be honest.  But could someone pls reassure me that they don't, in fact, have a Completely Motoring Colin Farmer Stand, or play at the Jonny-Rocks Stadium.  Both of these things are beyond silly and would, if true, confirm my long-held suspicion that they're not really a proper football club.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, April 25, 2019, 20:48:00
My knowledge of Cheltenham Town & what goes on there is not what it could be, I'll be honest.  But could someone pls reassure me that they don't, in fact, have a Completely Motoring Colin Farmer Stand, or play at the Jonny-Rocks Stadium.  Both of these things are beyond silly and would, if true, confirm my long-held suspicion that they're not really a proper football club.  Thanks.

You forgot 'Speedy Skips Stand'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, April 25, 2019, 21:26:10
Reg used to take a rattle, what's the problem?

Maybe they could put some Fans on the seats?

Yes, and I made in it in woodwork lessons. Think it was compulsory for all boys in Swindon, one of those life skills things.... boys did woodwork and metalwork... girls did sewing and cookery.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Friday, April 26, 2019, 05:52:51
My knowledge of Cheltenham Town & what goes on there is not what it could be, I'll be honest.  But could someone pls reassure me that they don't, in fact, have a Completely Motoring Colin Farmer Stand, or play at the Jonny-Rocks Stadium.  Both of these things are beyond silly and would, if true, confirm my long-held suspicion that they're not really a proper football club.  Thanks.
I’ve just checked my ticket for Saturday and can confirm that it is the Jonny Rocks Stadium


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 26, 2019, 05:55:11
I've just checked my ticket and i can confirm that their printer needs more toner


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 26, 2019, 06:45:56
I was going. I still might but £21 for a terrace ticket seems a bit pricey to watch a dreaming-of-Dubai Swindon side lose at Cheltenham.

See you tomorrow!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 26, 2019, 06:47:44
And to further confirm their tin pottedness those infernal clappers will be on every seat.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:27:44
And to further confirm their tin pottedness those infernal clappers will be on every seat.



Nooooo. In the away end as well?
I can see them being put to alternative use.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:28:42
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/The_Mickey_Mouse_Club_title_screen.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:38:21
To be fair, it is for their younger fans which in my opinion is a good thing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:47:29
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1319849.1362740963!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 26, 2019, 08:58:02
Reg used to take a rattle, what's the problem?


I think he still does, most mornings!  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 26, 2019, 09:56:58
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1319849.1362740963!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
I looked hard for a tin pot - well done!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 26, 2019, 10:37:12
I looked hard for a tin pot - well done!
Took me ages to find a suitable one!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Saturday, April 27, 2019, 10:36:33
It's nothing new but... the continuing cynical manipulation of the fixture list by the tv companies ensuring it's not a level playing field.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, April 28, 2019, 12:48:55
https://twitter.com/VillasPoints/status/1122480995033395200


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, April 28, 2019, 13:42:25
But bielsa did the decent thing after the goal which should go in the what's right with football thread.
The red card has to be rescinded with a nice ban for bamford under a charge of cheating cunt.
It it was a town player then the fa would obviously add a game for a frivolous appeal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 28, 2019, 19:43:56
It does my head in when people keep kicking the ball out of play when someone goes down. if they knew the game wouldn't get stopped it wouldn't happen anywhere near as much.

the rule clearly says play on. the ref will stop the game. sportsmanship- giving the ball back after it's been knocked out of play is usually always preceded by a diving prick being un-sporting in the first play.

in this instance kodja did actually hurt himself and had to be subbed. it wasn't a foul though and the ref was well placed to not blow his whistle.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 28, 2019, 20:23:10
agree with that.

and don't get me started on uncontested drop balls. I want shin kicking.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, April 28, 2019, 21:14:17
agree with that.

and don't get me started on uncontested drop balls. I want shin kicking.
Yep.....me too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2VFAY_V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2VFAY_V4)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Sunday, April 28, 2019, 21:26:03
I think we’d have seen a different outcome if there was anything on the lines for Leeds.
Bit of good press for the club after all that spying stuff earlier on in the season.

Realistically they weren’t going to win both games & Sheffield United lose & a goal difference swing of 13. They could (...and still can) only finish 3rd or 4th


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, April 29, 2019, 05:47:32
I think it was shrewd work by Leeds. Had they beat Villa then the GD swing was still too much to get automatic promotion.

Now the anger has been deflected from Leeds ‘bottling’ promotion (which they have) to the sentiment of ‘everyone wants us to fail’ thus taking unneeded pressure off their players ahead of the Play-Offs



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 29, 2019, 06:39:45
Quote from: Exiled Bob
Quote
agree with that.

and don't get me started on uncontested drop balls. I want shin kicking.
Yep.....me too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2VFAY_V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2VFAY_V4)


proper drop ball! thought they were extinct


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 29, 2019, 08:53:36
Yep.....me too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2VFAY_V4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2VFAY_V4)

proper drop ball! thought they were extinct

Is that Scott Brown for Celtic, the Rangers player should have just ignored the ball and landed a nutt on him!

While we are at it is still winds the fuck out of me when players get 'fouled' and then grab the ball forcing the ref to give something, I would give hand ball immediately everything!  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, April 29, 2019, 09:08:25
Not sure if it should go in here but whats happened to Real Madrid?

They sell Ronaldo and it all goes to shit.

Recently found thet ITV4 has started showing La Liga games and managed to catch the Real Vs Genoa game last week. Real were awful, and were lucky to come out of the game with a 0-0 draw.
The this weekend i noticed they got beat by bottom side Rayo Vallecano.

Their whole season has been a shocker, they may be 3rd in La Liga but they are 18 points adrift of Barcelona and have lost 10 games this season, compared to Barcelona's 2.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, April 29, 2019, 10:22:42
Not sure if it should go in here but whats happened to Real Madrid?

They sell Ronaldo and it all goes to shit.

Recently found thet ITV4 has started showing La Liga games and managed to catch the Real Vs Genoa game last week. Real were awful, and were lucky to come out of the game with a 0-0 draw.
The this weekend i noticed they got beat by bottom side Rayo Vallecano.

Their whole season has been a shocker, they may be 3rd in La Liga but they are 18 points adrift of Barcelona and have lost 10 games this season, compared to Barcelona's 2.

It's what happens when you're over reliant on one player, and then you lose him.... Real do have other excellent players, but they're all going down rather than up... the same will happen to Barca when Messi goes... they could survive the loss of Xavi and Iniesta, but Messi is a different thing altogether.   

Real are obviously going to do a Wellens style rebuild in he summer, starting with Hazard, it will be interesting to see if he can carry them.... I don't think so.  He can't carry Chelsea, they're slide coincided with losing Diego Costa... an ideal Prem player.

Costa probably first came to prominence at Rayo... his style ideally suited to the Vallecas left wing mentality of the club, and their support of Podemos.   Rayo fans will be very happy beating the loathed Meringues, with their historic fascist connections.

Pretty good weekend for them in Spain, what with the Socialist Workers Party getting the most seats in the general election, thus being able to form a coalition to keep the fascists down.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Monday, April 29, 2019, 21:48:17
Reg , Costa played about half a dozen games for Vallecano whilst on loan.

The fascists have always been beaten down since Franco, the only reason they got 10% of the vote was an anti Catalan thing




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 07:24:04
Reg , Costa played about half a dozen games for Vallecano whilst on loan.

The fascists have always been beaten down since Franco, the only reason they got 10% of the vote was an anti Catalan thing

Costa got 10 in 16 for Rayo in 2012... that was when I first noticed him, so kept on eye on his progress.

Spain is one of those EU countries with a nasty relatively recent history of fascism.... with the current events within the EU politically it is important that they're kept down by democratic means rather than conflict.  Spain needs to be a beacon, now that UK is abrogating leadership.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 30, 2019, 22:01:36
Sheffield Wednesday releasing a statement congratulating Sheffield United.

could also go in the 'amusing' thread too


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 09:13:10
Spurs medical staff allowing Jan The Tongan go back onto the pitch when clearly suffering a concussion only for a few minutes later to practically pass out and collapse.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 09:17:01
Spurs medical staff allowing Jan The Tongan go back onto the pitch when clearly suffering a concussion only for a few minutes later to practically pass out and collapse.
Very odd, wasn't it. Especially since the ref came over and had a proper chat with them about it before allowing him back on. Raises the question whether there are sanctions for ignoring the UEFA guidance on head injuries, otherwise what's the point in having it? Unless of course they assessed him and saw no symptoms until after he came back on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 09:29:09
Very odd, wasn't it. Especially since the ref came over and had a proper chat with them about it before allowing him back on. Raises the question whether there are sanctions for ignoring the UEFA guidance on head injuries, otherwise what's the point in having it? Unless of course they assessed him and saw no symptoms until after he came back on.

Thing is if it were Rugby or cycling the team would be dragged over the coals and absolutely slaughtered in the media and my the regulator for letting it happen, but in Football it still just basically ignored!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 12:55:46
tbf, as soon as he did show symptoms he was taken off. I think it's a bit different from, say, the incident with Loris last season when he was clearly affected but they let him play the rest of the game. I'd agree in general though football is very lax.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 13:30:11
Time to follow the Rugby approach - 5-10 minutes down the tunnel for a proper assessment to be undertaken, including allowing symptoms to develop in a safe environment.  Let the team put on a temp sub during that period so the team ins not disadvantaged.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 15:04:05
Time to follow the Rugby approach - 5-10 minutes down the tunnel for a proper assessment to be undertaken, including allowing symptoms to develop in a safe environment.  Let the team put on a temp sub during that period so the team ins not disadvantaged.

Yep, can't see any reason not to introduce this. There's obviously a bit of concern about people 'faking' injury to get fresh legs on but that seems like it would be fairly easy to control for using neutral doctors and/or massive punishments for anyone who tries it on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 10:07:49
Chelsea's new kit

Quote
The four stands of Stamford Bridge are woven into the fabric

Why?!



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 10:44:27
Chelsea's new kit

Why?!



Need photographs of this, however at first thought isn't having four stands woven into the kit going to make it almost as heavy as that Lotto one we had that soaked up water like a sponge?  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 10:53:26
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5ix7ipW4AA2jE7.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 12:25:19
Oh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 2, 2019, 12:31:27
Oh
I have seen worse, albeit not much worse but I have seen worse.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, May 5, 2019, 14:53:24
Scunthorpe thoroughly lived up to at least part of their name yesterday at Plymouth. Glad it did them no good, the scummy chancers. See 1:01 onwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62R9M8tUTU



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 5, 2019, 15:11:18
scummy cunts.

Plymouth dropped though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, May 5, 2019, 17:57:40
To be fair, why didn't the keeper just roll it behind the byline?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, May 5, 2019, 17:57:47
Salford fucking City


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Monday, May 6, 2019, 10:25:03
Salford fucking City
More where are they now? perhaps but can't blame Adam Rooney who missed the opening penalty in the semi final play off shoot out for Salford.  

But then, former Town hero Chris Zebrowski (hero because he missed a penalty for the Pox in their first Conference play off attempt) less admirably had his pen for Eastleigh saved.  Putting Salford through to the final.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Monday, May 6, 2019, 19:31:15
Need photographs of this, however at first thought isn't having four stands woven into the kit going to make it almost as heavy as that Lotto one we had that soaked up water like a sponge?  :(
Oxford are doing the same. It's sleeveless.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 07:44:44
Oxford are doing the same. It's sleeveless.
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 12:05:18
Franchise being promoted is worthy of a spot here all by itself, but this just adds to it (10:48 onwards)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WURgG8Rixkc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 15:20:09
Im spending a week there event managing the Take That gig next week.  So many things I hate in one place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 06:49:37
Nearly choked on me souvlaki

‘This weekend saw the coronation of King Maha Vajiralongkorn of Thailand. The staff and players at Oxford United stand in unity & reverence with our chairman Sumrith Thanakarnjanasuth and the people of Thailand to mark this event.

Long live the King of Thailand ’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 08:56:40
Nearly choked on me souvlaki

‘This weekend saw the coronation of King Maha Vajiralongkorn of Thailand. The staff and players at Oxford United stand in unity & reverence with our chairman Sumrith Thanakarnjanasuth and the people of Thailand to mark this event.

Long live the King of Thailand ’

Couldn't believe it, so had to look it up. The thread that follows is a good laugh

https://twitter.com/OUFCOfficial/status/1125707255750561793


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 09:15:15
Maybe for the sake of rivalry we should start vocally supporting Thai republicanism?

Might get Flashheart in trouble mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, May 9, 2019, 19:05:20
Mansfield take the lead against Newport.  :badmood:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, May 10, 2019, 05:23:46
Liverpool and Tottenham getting 16.613 tickets each for a stadium that holds 68,000 for the Champions League final.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48206280

Even worse, arsenal and Chelsea get 6,000 each in a stadium that holds 68,700 for the Europa League.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48222350


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, May 10, 2019, 09:49:17
Liverpool and Tottenham getting 16.613 tickets each for a stadium that holds 68,000 for the Champions League final.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48206280

Even worse, arsenal and Chelsea get 6,000 each in a stadium that holds 68,700 for the Europa League.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48222350

Whats worse is the cost of flights/hotels has skyrocketed. Its going to cost the best part of a few grand for most fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 10, 2019, 10:15:51
Whats worse is the cost of flights/hotels has skyrocketed. Its going to cost the best part of a few grand for most fans.

Much like taking the kids on holiday in half term then?  >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, May 10, 2019, 10:26:27
Much like taking the kids on holiday in half term then?  >:(
Yup, i can imagine a lot of unhappy kids right about now. "Sorry kids, we cant go on a summer holidays this year, daddy's going to the Cup final"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 16:56:47
Another club on the verge of going out of business apparently. Ebsfleet United.

Unpaid wages a few times this year, the whole team put up for free transfer and wages not paid this month again.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/fleet-offer-free-transfers-204562/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:21:41
Another club on the verge of going out of business apparently. Ebsfleet United.

Unpaid wages a few times this year, the whole team put up for free transfer and wages not paid this month again.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/fleet-offer-free-transfers-204562/

Weren't Ebsfleet one of those social media  fan ownership test cases years back?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:24:36
It is a bit ridiculous

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6rWIbAWkAEvoQf.jpg:large)

But from recollection the FA are no better, when we played Preston in the playoff final wasn't it a 5.30 kick off for TV and thus you could not physically travel back to Preston from the game by public transport....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:04:26
It is a bit ridiculous

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6rWIbAWkAEvoQf.jpg:large)

But from recollection the FA are no better, when we played Preston in the playoff final wasn't it a 5.30 kick off for TV and thus you could not physically travel back to Preston from the game by public transport....

I might be wrong,  but weren't Preston sponsored by Virgin Trains, too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:08:43
Another club on the verge of going out of business apparently. Ebsfleet United.

Unpaid wages a few times this year, the whole team put up for free transfer and wages not paid this month again.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/fleet-offer-free-transfers-204562/

#prayForFatbury


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:11:23
It is a bit ridiculous

But from recollection the FA are no better, when we played Preston in the playoff final wasn't it a 5.30 kick off for TV and thus you could not physically travel back to Preston from the game by public transport....
Correct

Quote
I might be wrong,  but weren't Preston sponsored by Virgin Trains, too.
Also correct


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:18:14
Elsehwere, news emerging that Sheff Utd borrowed £3m from a member of the Bin Laden family. A small amount of money, and no reports of how closely related to Bin Landen, but raising a few eyebrows!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/16/sheffield-united-funded-3m-loan-osama-bin-ladens-family-court/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 13:07:24
Elsehwere, news emerging that Sheff Utd borrowed £3m from a member of the Bin Laden family. A small amount of money, and no reports of how closely related to Bin Landen, but raising a few eyebrows!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/16/sheffield-united-funded-3m-loan-osama-bin-ladens-family-court/

From recollection, isn't the Bin Laden family bloody enormous and includes very close links with the Saudi Royal Family and ironically the Bush's!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 14:56:12
From recollection, isn't the Bin Laden family bloody enormous and includes very close links with the Saudi Royal Family and ironically the Bush's!
Quite possibly.. hence the comment about not knowing how closely related. Quite fun to watch Leeds fans calling for SUFC to be demoted so they can take their spot in the PL though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 14:57:22
The Bin Laden family is huge and the vast majority of them are normal law-aniding citizens of Saudi Arabia....my brother acted for some of them as a solicitor based in Jedda.....so not really anything to get worked up about....unless....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 15:10:42
Interested to see just how big the bin laden family is, i cam across this. I think we can say, its going to be fucking huge.

Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden (born 1908 in Hadhramaut) Married 22 times, with 54 children;........say no more.

Just for good measure...Abdallah bin Laden, brother of Mohammed, uncle of Osama; also had over 60 children and was married 6 times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Thursday, May 16, 2019, 21:01:04
Interested to see just how big the bin laden family is, i cam across this. I think we can say, its going to be fucking huge.

Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden (born 1908 in Hadhramaut) Married 22 times, with 54 children;........say no more.

Just for good measure...Abdallah bin Laden, brother of Mohammed, uncle of Osama; also had over 60 children and was married 6 times.


No wonder they needed a solicitor...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 10:57:50
Henrikh Mkhitaryan to miss Europa League final due to safety concerns, having also avoided travel for the gam against Qarabag earlier in the tournament. Another indictment on the decision to hold the final in Baku.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:12:23
FIFA looking to outdo UEFA on the "shambolic incompetence and massive disregard for fans" front (real heavyweight clash, there)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/may/21/womens-world-cup-ticket-fiasco-fifa-response


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:34:37
FIFA looking to outdo UEFA on the "shambolic incompetence and massive disregard for fans" front (real heavyweight clash, there)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/may/21/womens-world-cup-ticket-fiasco-fifa-response

Not remotely making excuses for FIFA but if the warning they suggest popped up did pop up why did someone not mention it at the time?

As an aside, god that journalist has a bloody irritating way of writing!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 12:45:20
FIFA looking to outdo UEFA on the "shambolic incompetence and massive disregard for fans" front (real heavyweight clash, there)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/may/21/womens-world-cup-ticket-fiasco-fifa-response

I'm sure the other 10 attendees won't mind having a shuffle round.  :sofa:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 24, 2019, 10:50:39
The FA's ongoing failure to perform it's governance duties adequately

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/23/the-fa-didnt-stop-him-the-long-road-to-justice-for-bob-higgins-abuse-victims


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Friday, May 24, 2019, 13:33:36
The FA's ongoing failure to perform it's governance duties adequately

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/23/the-fa-didnt-stop-him-the-long-road-to-justice-for-bob-higgins-abuse-victims

The mind boggles. It's got so much in common with the catholic church - don't upset the gravy train and brush it under the carpet. I find it maddening that people in power can hear allegations time and again and continue to allow such evil depravity to continue almost unabated.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 24, 2019, 14:05:06
The mind boggles. It's got so much in common with the catholic church - don't upset the gravy train and brush it under the carpet. I find it maddening that people in power can hear allegations time and again and continue to allow such evil depravity to continue almost unabated.
The Catholic Church, Church of England, the BBC, the FA, various private schools, social services in various counties, care homes charged with looking after the most vulnerable etc etc. Institutional corruption in essence and a culture of stamping on dissent and whistleblowers allows these and many other abuses to flourish


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 26, 2019, 11:04:40
Coventry playing their home games at Birmingham next season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 15:19:34
It being suggested quite strongly that Roberto Martinez is going to be the next Barcelona manager?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, May 28, 2019, 22:57:48
Coventry playing their home games at Birmingham next season

Where else did they have a go recently, Sixfields was it? A school team I was with played at the Ricoh, pretty vacuous and identikit as far as grounds go but obviously always a shame to see someone booted out of their home.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 09:03:04
https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1133643473104658432



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 09:13:13
Whats wrong with football?

29 years ago I was still celebrating our win at Wembley vs Sunderland and the Towns first promotion to the Premier League only for that to turn into demotion within the week.

Sorry but I can never forget and I will never forgive the Football League, ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJqNH5JDcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZKvZ_HdJHs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 09:13:37
https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1133643473104658432



When the security around the stadium are enforcing something like this from above it's probably a good reason not to let some places host until they are ready.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 09:55:48
When the security around the stadium are enforcing something like this from above it's probably a good reason not to let some places host until they are ready.

 :nod:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 11:09:32
Whats wrong with football?

29 years ago I was still celebrating our win at Wembley vs Sunderland and the Towns first promotion to the Premier League only for that to turn into demotion within the week.

Sorry but I can never forget and I will never forgive the Football League, ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJqNH5JDcU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZKvZ_HdJHs

You know, after all these years i’m none the wiser as to how we found ourselves in that position, who blew the whistle, why they did and where are they now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 12:27:15
You know, after all these years i’m none the wiser as to how we found ourselves in that position, who blew the whistle, why they did and where are they now?
Bill Bradshaw, journalist for the Sunday People at the time.....and apparently a Sunderland fan, ironically.

he's on Twitter....

https://twitter.com/thebillbradshaw?lang=en


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 12:57:06
You know, after all these years i’m none the wiser as to how we found ourselves in that position, who blew the whistle, why they did and where are they now?

If you read the TEF, you can learn a lot....

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=30059.0

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44055.0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 18:59:20
As if half-and-half scarves aren’t bad enough:

https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1133809353113374721?s=21


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 19:30:35
Quote from: Private Fraser
As if half-and-half scarves aren’t bad enough:

https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1133809353113374721?s=21 (https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1133809353113374721?s=21)

inspired by Hartlepool man?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 21:07:46
As if half-and-half scarves aren’t bad enough:

https://twitter.com/fbawaydays/status/1133809353113374721?s=21
Half and half wits


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 21:08:11
If you read the TEF, you can learn a lot....

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=30059.0

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=44055.0

Ta Comrade, fills in a few blanks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 30, 2019, 12:17:43
Just going through those old threads and the names included and this popped up.... The days when you could drive a Mini and purchase a football club.... seemed dodgy as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6WF9Br5Ej4


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, May 31, 2019, 17:12:39
Salford have signed Richie Towell  on a rumoured 8K a week. Get the best odds you can on Salford going up as they seemingly have an endless amount of money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 31, 2019, 17:14:07
Salford have signed Richie Towell  on a rumoured 8K a week. Get the best odds you can on Salford going up as they seemingly have an endless amount of money.

What a fairytale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, May 31, 2019, 17:31:18
A fairytowell if you will.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 31, 2019, 17:57:51
very good Hans.

who the bloody hell is Richie Towell


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 31, 2019, 18:01:47
very good Hans.

who the bloody hell is Richie Towell

Played in the Championship with Rovrum last season. Ajose to Salford wouldn’t be a surprise, either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 31, 2019, 18:20:07

Played in the Championship with Rovrum last season. Ajose to Salford wouldn’t be a surprise, either.

Regular too, 38 games, 4 goals


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, May 31, 2019, 18:29:00
who the bloody hell is Richie Towell

Sounds like something I would put on a sun lounger in the dark of night


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, May 31, 2019, 18:29:13
Dick towell dot com


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 22:21:48
Salford have signed Richie Towell 

I know they are new to league football but I wasn't expecting them to throw the towell in so early.   I'll get me coat!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 31, 2019, 22:22:43
Dick towell

Is that something to do with a gentleman's wash?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 1, 2019, 09:10:01
very good Hans.

who the bloody hell is Richie Towell

He's a hoopy frood.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 1, 2019, 11:41:30
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7077689/Aston-Villa-misfit-Ross-McCormacks-wages-shoot-70-000-week-winning-promotion.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 1, 2019, 11:46:52
while players are paid too much, I don't see much wrong with the rise myself. Villa gave out stupid contracts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 1, 2019, 14:28:24
while players are paid too much, I don't see much wrong with the rise myself. Villa gave out stupid contracts.
Not the players fault at all, to be on £70k a week and not having played for the club in nearly 2 years is awful, Villa fucked up big time there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, June 1, 2019, 14:57:25
Not the players fault at all, to be on £70k a week and not having played for the club in nearly 2 years is awful, Villa fucked up big time there.

Player wages should be paid on appearances rather than base salary I reckon. By all means give matey boy 70k per week but give him a lower basic and he gets the full pay if he plays. This way players earn their way.

I’m sure it’s not THAT simple (injured players get penalised) but it’s a waste of a talent to be doing bloody nothing for such a big salary.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, June 2, 2019, 13:27:51
"Austerity" (aka slash and burn); and the abject failure of "trickle-down" economics to work in football

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/02/tory-cuts-force-sale-710-local-football-pitches


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 2, 2019, 13:36:23
"Austerity" (aka slash and burn); and the abject failure of "trickle-down" economics to work in football

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/02/tory-cuts-force-sale-710-local-football-pitches

Old news. That story ran a few years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, June 2, 2019, 15:53:39
Old news. That story ran a few years ago.
But it's still happening. The fact that the government and football authorities have continued to pass the buck and fail to deal with it for that period of time (longer in fact) makes it even more of a scandal, not something to be dismissed out of hand.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 2, 2019, 16:42:10
But it's still happening. The fact that the government and football authorities have continued to pass the buck and fail to deal with it for that period of time (longer in fact) makes it even more of a scandal, not something to be dismissed out of hand.

You know the real reason is us Tories are eating kids, the disabled and anyone on long term benefits, these open spaces are just not needed anymore. Still on the flip side the land can be used to build houses for the influx of useful migrants on low incomes. So what’s your beef? 😁 Anyway, you cannot trust anything you read in those nasty violent left wing extremist momentum supporting free speech stifling rags can you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 15:07:55
First of many to leave crisis club Bury perhaps? He has had his contract declared null and void (presumably triggering something having not been paid for 3 months or something?

Nicky Adams has announced he’s leaving crisis club Bury.
The 32-year-old, who has had three spells with Shakers having started his career at Gigg Lane, has been an outspoken critic of owner Steve Dale during the club’s on-going off-field turmoil.
Having returned in the summer of 2018, the midfielder signed a new contract in March seemingly extending his stay into next season as he helped the club make an immediate return to League One.
But in an emotional social media post announcing his departure, Adams claims that it has been declared null and void by the Football League.
The Shakers are due back in the High Court on June 19 over a winding-up petition.
“Very sad that I have to write this message but I’ll always deal with things head on,” Adams posted.
“I signed a new contract in March which I was buzzing about only for the Football League to reject it and send it back.
“What’s worse, is I was only told about this the week after the season had finished as no-one informed me or the gaffer until then.
“I spoke out the best I could about the chaos going on behind the scenes at the club and people’s families are the most important thing.
“Unfortunately I will be leaving Bury FC and going onto a new challenge.
“I just want to say a massive thank you to the manager and all his staff and my team mates who are friends for life for the chance to be part of an unbelievable season that I’ll never forget.
“We made history and no-one can ever take that from us.
“Shakers fans, all I can say is thank you.
“I started here as a boy and I’m glad we could all share some fantastic memories together.
“I’ll forever be a fan of this great club.”


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 15:18:57
Nicky Adams to be seen a club geographically close to Bury soon, Salford City.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 15:19:35
Nicky Adams to be seen a club geographically close to Bury soon, Salford City.

Good shout PV.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 15:30:14
Good shout PV.
Walsall said to be interested but apparently they cannot compete financially with the other team interested.

I feel Salford will have a lot more wheeling and dealing before the season starts, some surprising signings too by all accounts. To be able to afford a midfielder on an alleged £8k pw and a defender said to be on around half of that wage too, they do have the backing there to sign pretty much any player they want at this level, localilty will probably play a huge part in many of their transfers too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 16:48:50
They’re going to get a regular good kicking next season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 17:18:16
They’re going to get a regular good kicking next season.

The fans or the team? By ‘kicking’ what do you mean?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 17:25:20
‘Kick’ -  kick is a physical strike using the leg.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 17:38:15
‘Kick’ -  kick is a physical strike using the leg.

It is I give you that. I could also be used to describe in a non violent way a good beating as in a 6-0 defeat, like Man C gave Watford in the FA cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Balthazar Impresario on Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 18:17:49
Valladolid v Valencia on final day of La Liga ‘was fixed’, says judge

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/04/valladolid-valencia-football-match-fixing-allegations-el-mundo?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Shocking if true, makes you wonder about the integrity of the whole bloody sport, ecspecially in the lower/non leave game where players would be more susceptible to bribes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 13:13:01
Nicky Adams to be seen a club geographically close to Bury soon, Salford City.

signed for Northampton.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 13:16:09
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48524088


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 15:23:13
Not wrong per se but FGR building a new stadium, made entirely of wood.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-48525858

Not showing a lot of ambition as only 5k capacity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 17:01:42
Won't more people have to drive further now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 08:05:42
Surely that would be a fire risk?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 08:22:25
Wont they have to replace the wood frequently as well?

I know they're enjoying their best times right now but they're such a gimmick it's hard to take them seriously. I'd hate it if I were an FGR fan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 08:48:50
Dickheads, surprised to see there would be 1700 car park spaces.

Expected these whackjobs would be dictating that people can’t drive to the game, sooner these vegans get back to non league the better


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 09:13:33
Nicky Adams to be seen a club geographically close to Bury soon, Salford City.
Turns out he signed for Northampton, who also signed Steve Arnold a keeper from Shrewsbury aged 30, Adams aged 32 and Alan McCormack aged 35, they are going for experience this season it seems.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 09:25:52
Not wrong per se but FGR building a new stadium, made entirely of wood.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-48525858

Not showing a lot of ambition as only 5k capacity.

Not good for away fans....there will be no pubs and chippys that are close to the ground...like the Lawn... :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 6, 2019, 09:26:09
Not wrong per se but FGR building a new stadium, made entirely of wood.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-48525858

Not showing a lot of ambition as only 5k capacity.

I assume its capable of expansion if required?

Surely that would be a fire risk?


Not really, timber framing is used to build a hell of a lot more than people realise these days, it can be coated to be incredibly fire retardant, although not sure where this stands on the whole 'green' angle of the proposal?

Wont they have to replace the wood frequently as well?

I know they're enjoying their best times right now but they're such a gimmick it's hard to take them seriously. I'd hate it if I were an FGR fan.

See answer above well specified and treated timber will last for years and years, probably longer than much of the steel and plastics used in other new builds.

As for the gimmick idea who knows, from the way people go on on here I would imagine most of our fan base would love an owner to be throwing money at the project gimmick or not?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, June 7, 2019, 11:01:56
Now confirmed that Coventry fans will have to travel to Birmingham to watch their team's 'home' games next season.

Oh, and Loftus Road has a catchy new name: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48544778


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, June 7, 2019, 11:13:54
Now confirmed that Coventry fans will have to travel to Birmingham to watch their team's 'home' games next season.

Oh, and Loftus Road has a catchy new name: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48544778

Admire the sentiments behind QPRs stadium naming.
Sod being a Coventry fan, first Northampton now Brum, I imagine their forum must be close to reaching our FB group for  negativity


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 7, 2019, 11:16:45
Now confirmed that Coventry fans will have to travel to Birmingham to watch their team's 'home' games next season.

Oh, and Loftus Road has a catchy new name: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48544778

I think that's a bit harsh on QPR, the sentiment is a nice touch as is putting it out to a supporter vote?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, June 7, 2019, 11:20:25
Yes. It wasn't my intention to belittle what they've done.  :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 7, 2019, 11:37:12
Sod being a Coventry fan, first Northampton now Brum, I imagine their forum must be close to reaching our FB group for  negativity
albeit with considerably more justification


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, June 7, 2019, 13:00:55
albeit with considerably more justification

Without a doubt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 12:17:33
That linesman has got a hell of a right hand on him....

https://twitter.com/footbalIfights/status/1138385232275619840


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 13:36:57
That linesman has got a hell of a right hand on him....

https://twitter.com/footbalIfights/status/1138385232275619840

Ominously, posted by a former Prem ref!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 14:06:21
That linesman has got a hell of a right hand on him....

https://twitter.com/footbalIfights/status/1138385232275619840

This could also have gone in the Whats right with thread.  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 14, 2019, 08:02:21
Arsenal academy coach banned for 3 games for reducing teenage ref to tears by his behaviour in an Under 9s game. What a wanker!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/13/arsenal-academy-coach-banned-abusive-language-teenage-referee


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 14, 2019, 10:14:36
Arsenal academy coach banned for 3 games for reducing teenage ref to tears by his behaviour in an Under 9s game. What a wanker!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/13/arsenal-academy-coach-banned-abusive-language-teenage-referee

Possibly the FA could introduce similar to various parents who act in a similar way in such games?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, June 14, 2019, 10:46:14
Possibly the FA could introduce similar to various parents who act in a similar way in such games?
They do, indirectly. It's down to the clubs to sanction parents. The FA, if necessary, discipline clubs for failing to control parents. But if the coach is setting this kind of example, can't expect the players or parents to act with respect toward the ref. Where it's a young ref and adult coach, as is usually the case in kids' games, there's also an issue of bullying


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 14, 2019, 20:43:58
Jonathan Pearce


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 17, 2019, 09:16:03
Jonathan Pearce
Always


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 17, 2019, 09:16:15
Qatar in the Copa America. WTF?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, June 17, 2019, 09:24:44
They always have a non South America in it for some reason. Not sure why but the likes of Australia, Japan, etc have been in it before


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 17, 2019, 09:31:33
Only 10 South American sides, it just gets them up to a tournament format based on 12 teams. There was talk of this one being 16, but they ended up with 12. Usually the extras come from Concacaf but they're playing their own tournament at the moment so Asian sides got invited instead.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 17, 2019, 09:32:18
Qatar in the Copa America. WTF?
And Japan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, June 17, 2019, 10:22:32
Only 10 South American sides, it just gets them up to a tournament format based on 12 teams. There was talk of this one being 16, but they ended up with 12. Usually the extras come from Concacaf but they're playing their own tournament at the moment so Asian sides got invited instead.
Ah fair enough then. As you were. Probably should be filed under "What's wrong with my knowledge of global football" instead :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 17, 2019, 14:53:13
Ah fair enough then. As you were. Probably should be filed under "What's wrong with my knowledge of global football" instead :)

Its as peculiar as Israel being in UEFA?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 09:11:17
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9319116/michel-platini-arrested-corruption-2022-world-cup-qatar/

Surprising.

Oh wait, no, that was sarcasm.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 09:19:17
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9319116/michel-platini-arrested-corruption-2022-world-cup-qatar/

Surprising.

Oh wait, no, that was sarcasm.
Ha ha this has now appeared in both the What's wrong and What's right threads pretty much simultaneously :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: stfcjack on Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 15:29:35
West Ham valuing Diop at £75mill off the back of one decent season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 21:35:22
Just watched the U 21's game and apart from the early couple of chances it began to remind me of the Town from a few seasons ago. Play slowly out from the back get so far up the pitch, find the opposition have regrouped so then go backwards again. It is the style of play that Southgate is fond of and has all the England teams playing to this method which is understandable, but just like the seniors Netherlands game saw quite a few balls given to the French by dwelling too long to make a pass, being tackled and losing the ball. I do not want to see 1000 mile an hour football but like to see the game played with some pace and did not witness much of that tonight. I want the U 21's to do well but they could be up against it now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 22:23:54
West Ham valuing Diop at £75mill off the back of one decent season

See also Wan Bissaka. You don’t get much for your money these days


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 08:15:26
Just watched the U 21's game and apart from the early couple of chances it began to remind me of the Town from a few seasons ago. Play slowly out from the back get so far up the pitch, find the opposition have regrouped so then go backwards again. It is the style of play that Southgate is fond of and has all the England teams playing to this method which is understandable, but just like the seniors Netherlands game saw quite a few balls given to the French by dwelling too long to make a pass, being tackled and losing the ball. I do not want to see 1000 mile an hour football but like to see the game played with some pace and did not witness much of that tonight. I want the U 21's to do well but they could be up against it now.

I didn't see it quite like that, thought we mixed it up quite well with odd long balls in behind the French which caused them problems.... let down by a lack of composure from the front men.  Same could be said of France to some extent. Interesting to see Foden and Maddison together as if GS is to solve the midfield creativity problem then these are the candidates.

Playing quite well, not taking chances, but still getting a lead only to lose it late on is becoming a thing for both the U 21's and full team.... and highly annoying.

Poor old Wan Bissaka had a mare... I guess he might have things on his mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 09:56:06
I didn't see it quite like that, thought we mixed it up quite well with odd long balls in behind the French which caused them problems.... let down by a lack of composure from the front men.  Same could be said of France to some extent. Interesting to see Foden and Maddison together as if GS is to solve the midfield creativity problem then these are the candidates.

Playing quite well, not taking chances, but still getting a lead only to lose it late on is becoming a thing for both the U 21's and full team.... and highly annoying.

Poor old Wan Bissaka had a mare... I guess he might have things on his mind.

If Wan Bissaka is apparently worth £50 million what is Alexander-Arnold worth considering he is both younger and already an established player plus a bit better! 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 10:00:11
I guess it is indicative of the times in relation to how players become so over-hyped so quickly. Sancho for example undoubtably has talent but the furore over him after one season in the Bundesliga is quick frankly laughable


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 11:21:19
If Wan Bissaka is apparently worth £50 million what is Alexander-Arnold worth considering he is both younger and already an established player plus a bit better! 
Yeah, but Alexander Arnold isn't a Jedi is he?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 11:25:02
This talk of Wan Bissaka leaving this summer makes me wonder if they'd be in for Bogle?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 14:23:10
Neymar, I really hope Barca tell him to do one, the little cry baby.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 16:25:01
Neymar, I really hope Barca tell him to do one, the little cry baby.



If Griezmann to Barca is a done deal which seems to be the general consensus I don't think Barca have anything to benefit in buying Neymar back, he has proven himself to be a pain in the arse and has a very limited market with the cash to buy him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, July 4, 2019, 12:54:30
Blatter threatening to sue FIFA and maintaining his innocence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48865823


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 16:51:07
 :hmmm:

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/july/efl-statement-afc-wimbledon-and-mk-dons/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 17:16:18
Useless twats (the EFL).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 18:08:35
Hopefully Wimbledon simply refer to all opposition as the Away Team or something, to avoid using Franchise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 19:52:29
Hopefully Wimbledon simply refer to all opposition as the Away Team or something, to avoid using Franchise.
Or "The team from XYZ"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pax Romana on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 08:44:58
Very few neutrals have any empathy with MKD, but AFC supporters really are up themselves.  In the bar in the ground I've had a number of their fans tell me that they're everyone's favourite second club. 

Really?  Everyone's?

No idea whether that sense of unchallengeable moral superiority extends to the club officials but wouldn't be surprised.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 09:01:53
Very few neutrals have any empathy with MKD, but AFC supporters really are up themselves.  In the bar in the ground I've had a number of their fans tell me that they're everyone's favourite second club. 

Really?  Everyone's?

No idea whether that sense of unchallengeable moral superiority extends to the club officials but wouldn't be surprised.
I have heard some Wimleydons fans saying that too and they meant it.

Don't get me wrong, MK are my 2nd least favourite club after the Pox and slightly ahead of Rovers and City but to say they are everyones 2nd fave teams is a bit ridiculous.

There is a bit of a sense of self importance about them which could well go to the very top of the club and not just fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 12:40:50
Sheffield Wednesday made a £35m loss last season so to circumvent FFP sold stadium to another Chansiri company at a £38m profit

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1149275635937943553



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 12:54:54
Sheffield Wednesday made a £35m loss last season so to circumvent FFP sold stadium to another Chansiri company at a £38m profit

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1149275635937943553


Villa have done the same. Seems to be the fashionable trick in the Championship these days


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 16:31:12
Really??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 16:46:27
Really??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073

Massive 28000 ppl surveyed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 17:04:48
Really??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48949073

Depending on how the question was worded. I would be interested in having goal line technology. (cant really be any argument against- other than cost but maybe something for fa to help with) but not VAR.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 11, 2019, 19:25:39
Massive 28000 ppl surveyed
tbf that's a pretty big sample size for surveys of this kind. Most of the polls you see in the papers etc are done on the basis of a few thousand if that. I wonder how many would still want VAR if the question was asked now, after the Women's World Cup?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 12, 2019, 10:10:57
Depending on how the question was worded. I would be interested in having goal line technology. (cant really be any argument against- other than cost but maybe something for fa to help with) but not VAR.

Likewise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 12, 2019, 10:11:07
Peter Crouch retiring!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 12, 2019, 10:22:15
Peter Crouch retiring!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :( Although hopefully it gives him more time to focus on the podcast :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 14, 2019, 15:31:13
£80m for Harry Maguire & £45m for Lewis Dunk. What the actual fcuk


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 14, 2019, 16:17:12










Joey Beauchamp in a Town shirt



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 15, 2019, 14:53:54




What a waste of a decent shirt.




Joey Beauchamp in a Town shirt




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 08:21:22
£80m for Harry Maguire & £45m for Lewis Dunk. What the actual fcuk
Dunk was rumoured tobe joining Swindon barely 5 years ago as he was surplus to requirements at Brighton, we made a bid to loan him with a future transfer as part of the deal.

He decided to stay and fight for a place and that seems to have worked out well for him, £45m is a massive fee for any defender, especially one thats not even isn't an international regular.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 08:27:54
Dunk was rumoured tobe joining Swindon barely 5 years ago as he was surplus to requirements at Brighton, we made a bid to loan him with a future transfer as part of the deal.

He decided to stay and fight for a place and that seems to have worked out well for him, £45m is a massive fee for any defender, especially one thats not even isn't an international regular.

Thing is top notch defenders are like rocking horse shit at the moment, hence the massive inflation in prices for the top end ones (not sure I would include Maguire in that bracket!) which in turn ups the price for the less good ones!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 08:33:18
Thing is top notch defenders are like rocking horse shit at the moment, hence the massive inflation in prices for the top end ones (not sure I would include Maguire in that bracket!) which in turn ups the price for the less good ones!
And being English too pushes the price up because of the Home Grown quota.

James Tarkowski being touted at £40m+ a player we nearly signed for peanuts (£50k) when he left Oldham in 2014, we made a bid but Brentford was his chosen destination in the end.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 09:12:05
Rather hypothetical I know but can you imagine the football world being so sanguine about such a matter. The Sun would be running enemies of the people back pages about the umpires...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49000896


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 10:29:26
You don't get draws in football finals. It is always settled.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 10:43:34
Rather hypothetical I know but can you imagine the football world being so sanguine about such a matter. The Sun would be running enemies of the people back pages about the umpires...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49000896
Probably not, as it went in our favour :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 10:47:14
And being English too pushes the price up because of the Home Grown quota.

James Tarkowski being touted at £40m+ a player we nearly signed for peanuts (£50k) when he left Oldham in 2014, we made a bid but Brentford was his chosen destination in the end.

Wasn’t that Alfie Mawson?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 11:12:31
You don't get draws in football finals. It is always settled.

Nor do you in cricket finals. This was settled, just in a way that doesn't satisfy some people (like every other way).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 11:58:04
Yeah but a football world cup would never be decided on corners, for example. The penalties go on until someone misses. The cricket equivalent would be to keep playing the superover until someone wins I guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 12:15:58
TBF I was more musing the point that if the Umpires had applied the rules correctly New Zealand would have won and the likely reaction if a football game had been lost in such a manner (although its pretty fair to say that the wider media in this country would likely react similarly). 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 12:31:24
Yeah but a football world cup would never be decided on corners, for example. The penalties go on until someone misses. The cricket equivalent would be to keep playing the superover until someone wins I guess.
Champions league knock out stages (other than the final) effectively are with the away goal rule. League could get decided on on goals scored if 2 teams had the same goal difference it just never actually happens. A boundary or wicket is the closest thing to a goal cricket has I guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 12:53:34
TBF I was more musing the point that if the Umpires had applied the rules correctly New Zealand would have won and the likely reaction if a football game had been lost in such a manner (although its pretty fair to say that the wider media in this country would likely react similarly). 
Not sure that's a valid argument - if England had needed 3 off the last ball rather than 2 then Stokes would have gone for a boundary. He might have hit it, he might not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 14:37:23
Our Junior 5-a-side competitions used to be decided on corners during knockout games if the game ended in a draw..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 08:17:40
https://twitter.com/htafcdotcom/status/1151401159011315718

Huddersfield's new shirt...

It's so bad, it might actually be a joke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 08:18:20
I was literally about to post something similar.

What on earth have they done?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 08:20:06
What the actual fuck is that?!?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 08:24:05
Kind of looks like the team is called Paddypower and sponsored by HTFC.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 08:27:25
Beauty Queens?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 08:42:45
Some talk as to whether it's a PP prank as initially seems to be in breach of kit sponsor guidelines that state it must be less than 250sqcm.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 09:00:01
I suspect I am in the minority here, but I actually quite like it.

However with PP's history of piss take adverts I imagine this is following the same theme.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 09:07:39
If it does turn out to be a joke, I can't imagine much worse than my club being a banter vehicle for the ultimate banter lads of Paddy Power. Pretty grim all round.

Huddersfield would have made £250m+ in revenue the last two years - is a partnership like this really worth another 2%, and at what cost.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 10:50:43
Joey Barton charged with ABH for (allegedly) nutting the Barnsley manager last season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 10:56:13
Joey Barton charged with ABH for (allegedly) nutting the Barnsley manager last season
I think its a little more than allegedly as Daniel Stendel lost 2 teeth in the incident!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 10:58:08
I think its a little more than allegedly as Daniel Stendel lost 2 teeth in the incident!
That's for a court to decide ;) tbf, there may have been an incident in which Stendel lost 2 teeth, but it doesn't mean it was ABH. Could have been an accident, could have been self-defence, Stendel may have deliberately knocked his own teeth out to discredit the blameless soul that is Joey "Butter wouldn't melt" Barton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:07:44
That's for a court to decide ;) tbf, there may have been an incident in which Stendel lost 2 teeth, but it doesn't mean it was ABH. Could have been an accident, could have been self-defence, Stendel may have deliberately knocked his own teeth out to discredit the blameless soul that is Joey "Butter wouldn't melt" Barton
The man was and still is a thug. Yes I know it has to be proven but the sooner he is away from football the better, if found guilty he has to lose his job, surely?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:34:27
The man was and still is a thug. Yes I know it has to be proven but the sooner he is away from football the better, if found guilty he has to lose his job, surely?
Leaving the devil's advocate shit aside for a moment, you'd have thought there was enough circumstantial evidence that whatever the legals he's clearly done enough to merit that in any case, so presumably the Fleetwood owner has decided to stand by him. Put it this way, if I was involved in an incident at work in which a colleague lost two teeth, I don't think they'd wait for a police investigation to conclude to show me the door!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:36:53
Leaving the devil's advocate shit aside for a moment, you'd have thought there was enough circumstantial evidence that whatever the legals he's clearly done enough to merit that in any case, so presumably the Fleetwood owner has decided to stand by him. Put it this way, if I was involved in an incident at work in which a colleague lost two teeth, I don't think they'd wait for a police investigation to conclude to show me the door!
True.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:20:09
Stevenage have been fined £5000 for an incident in which a group of around 100 fans directed sexist chants at a female official last season. Suspect some will have differing views on whether the sexist chanting that gave rise to the fine or the fine itself is what's wrong, but it's interesting in that this is the first time I've seen a punishment being imposed for this type of offence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49015634


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:26:03
its an interesting one. Because it's not a massive leap to fines for 'whose the bastard in the black'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:33:02
its an interesting one. Because it's not a massive leap to fines for 'whose the bastard in the black'.
Perhaps not. Conversely, if you allow it as "just banter" etc, it's not a massive leap back to the commonplace racist chants of the 70s and 80s that are creeping back in now as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:37:13
I think it won't be long until all grounds have a no singing policy except for slight ripple of applause when a goal is scored.

Not suggesting the chanting was anything but unnaceptible but the FL/FA seem to have picked on a Stevenage IMO. Much much worse is sung at games higher up the leagues but they won't be dealt with similarly.

£5k to Stevenage is large amount for a team who barely scrape 2,500 home fans at games.

Man Utd were fined £13k for hundreds of their fans throwing things at PSG players.

Chelsea were let off when several thousand of their fans sang anti semetic songs to Spurs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:37:59
yeah, I don't think it's wrong. just not sure where the line is.

and though it's probably the right thing to do, I'd hate to see zero tolerance


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:41:53
I think it won't be long until all grounds have a no singing policy except for slight ripple of applause when a goal is scored.


From reading what many say on here, hasn't the County Ground been like that for a few years now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:43:03
yeah, I don't think it's wrong. just not sure where the line is.
Me too, hence why I thought it was an interesting discussion. None of us want to see football "sanitised", but no-one wants to go back to the bad old days. (Well, not many anyway)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:44:04
From reading what many say on here, hasn't the County Ground been like that for a few years now?
Not that far from the truth!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:44:52
Not that far from the truth!

Perhaps we are like Coventry City turning Highfield Road all seater in the 70's? trail blazers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 10:11:06
I know it was posted about the Bolton players going on strike for thie weekens friendly at Chester but its for this reason.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/17/bolton-players-stress-not-paid

The players not paid for 20 weeks! thats ridiculous!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 10:30:54
I know it was posted about the Bolton players going on strike for thie weekens friendly at Chester but its for this reason.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/17/bolton-players-stress-not-paid

The players not paid for 20 weeks! thats ridiculous!

If that's all true the administrators need their arses kicking, aren't they supposed to operate and maintain the business as a going concern until it can be sold? However I am not convinced it can be true, no idea where this money to pay the players would be coming from as they were skint before the season end and have no gate receipts coming in?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 10:34:40
If that's all true the administrators need their arses kicking, aren't they supposed to operate and maintain the business as a going concern until it can be sold? However I am not convinced it can be true, no idea where this money to pay the players would be coming from as they were skint before the season end and have no gate receipts coming in?
I doubt very much they will have any income from season ticket sales as that would be fans gambling on just throwing away their money, I also doubt they have sold much in the way of merchandise either. They have got rid of about 20 players too and all for free so no income from that!

Its not looking good, I can't see Bury being much different to them either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 10:56:30
Going bust just to get in L1 - wtf!

I realise it’s not really as simple as that with owners pocketing every penny going it seems. The Bury owner actually paid a handful of players just to stop them becoming free agents, and then pocketing any fees for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 11:43:42
Going bust just to get in L1 - wtf!

I realise it’s not really as simple as that with owners pocketing every penny going it seems. The Bury owner actually paid a handful of players just to stop them becoming free agents, and then pocketing any fees for them.

Bury is a weird case, whilst the present chair is (rightly) getting most of the stick he seems to be a Jed figure who took them on at a low ebb and has just delayed the inevitable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:24:04
Some talk as to whether it's a PP prank as initially seems to be in breach of kit sponsor guidelines that state it must be less than 250sqcm.
If it is a joke, the FA don't seem to have got it. Udders claiming the kit will be on sale to fans on Saturday so if it's genuine and it gets pulled, that's going to cost them a few quid!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49026053


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:36:07
Bury is a weird case, whilst the present chair is (rightly) getting most of the stick he seems to be a Jed figure who took them on at a low ebb and has just delayed the inevitable.

The new guy is an asset stripper, as opposed to a no-hoper charlatan. A little more calculated than Jed I'd suggest.

Hence why he paid some players knowing it meant they couldn't leave for free, but not the majority of the staff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:49:55
If it is a joke, the FA don't seem to have got it. Udders claiming the kit will be on sale to fans on Saturday so if it's genuine and it gets pulled, that's going to cost them a few quid!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49026053

Could be an interesting dispute, what is the advert? One could easily argue that the white sash is just part of the shirt design and then as its not a logo of sorts it comes down to whether the black writing is more or less than 250cm2?

As I stated before I quite like it and whilst there is a precedent concern it would be nice to see the FA made to look like pricks again! 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 15:26:16
See Salford just raised £2.1M in new share issues.
The fairytale continues


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 15:27:57
I know it was posted about the Bolton players going on strike for thie weekens friendly at Chester but its for this reason.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/17/bolton-players-stress-not-paid

The players not paid for 20 weeks! thats ridiculous!
So what happens when other clubs go financially to the wire? Are the PFA going to lend them all money to cover players’ wages?

Slippery slope.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 15:29:25
See Salford just raised £2.1M in new share issues.
The fairytale continues
I like Salford. Would love that to happen to us


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 15:33:40
So what happens when other clubs go financially to the wire? Are the PFA going to lend them all money to cover players’ wages?
They do this quite regularly. In the Diamandis era, there were periods when our players got paid by PFA loans more often than by the club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 18:48:30
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11833/11765944/neymar-barcelona-offer-psg-90m-plus-two-players-for-brazil-forward

Vastly over-rated footballer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 19:49:23
PSG should bight their arm off if true


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Waffle on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 20:09:12
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11833/11765944/neymar-barcelona-offer-psg-90m-plus-two-players-for-brazil-forward

Vastly over-rated footballer

Agreed, a waste of "talent", rolls on the floor more than he kicks the ball.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, July 19, 2019, 08:40:01
The new guy is an asset stripper, as opposed to a no-hoper charlatan. A little more calculated than Jed I'd suggest.

Hence why he paid some players knowing it meant they couldn't leave for free, but not the majority of the staff.

Unsurprisingly confirmed as a stunt and HTAFC are going with a blank shirt. Cue mass delight among Football Twitter and the lauding of PP as some sort of noble, hero bookie. How can people be so blind?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Friday, July 19, 2019, 08:41:15
That was top bants.

I love how tabloid journalists seem to be the only people to fall for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 19, 2019, 09:05:10
That was top bants.

I love how tabloid journalists seem to be the only people to fall for it.
And the FA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 19, 2019, 11:18:29
The new Stevenage kit....oh God my retinas.

(https://images.cdn.fourfourtwo.com/sites/fourfourtwo.com/files/styles/inline-image/public/stevenage_home_away_2019-20.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 19, 2019, 11:20:43
Do not adjust your monitors...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 19, 2019, 11:34:50
Do not adjust your monitors...
The one on the right gives me a migraine, the one on the left is like an explosion in a multi coloured spaghetti factory.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, July 19, 2019, 13:35:42
I genuinely hope they have the 'kings' head underneath...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, July 19, 2019, 13:45:51
Is it another one of those wind-ups? That's fucking awful.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 19, 2019, 13:47:32
The new Stevenage kit....oh God my retinas.

(https://images.cdn.fourfourtwo.com/sites/fourfourtwo.com/files/styles/inline-image/public/stevenage_home_away_2019-20.jpg)
Jesus. Are they trying to use the camouflage theory of the Dazzle ships from WWII in the hope they can sneak unopposed into the oppo box? Or was the shirt designer just drunk that day?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, July 19, 2019, 17:54:05
The new Stevenage kit....oh God my retinas.

(https://images.cdn.fourfourtwo.com/sites/fourfourtwo.com/files/styles/inline-image/public/stevenage_home_away_2019-20.jpg)

They're not going to be popular at the Forest Green away fixture, are they?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 19, 2019, 18:26:54
Are we sure we haven't got this wrong, and it is in fact the Burger King employee outfit sponsored by Stevenage?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, July 22, 2019, 10:59:19
Real Madrid's treatment of Gareth Bale is nothing short of embarrassing. He's not been welcome there from the start and fair play to Bale, hes got thick skin and just got on with it.
Its one thing the fans not liking you, but when the manager has a vendetta against you its pretty much impossible.

Bale isn't helping himself in being stubborn and trying to dig his heels in to stay but the public statements from ZZ of late have been out of order.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 22, 2019, 11:02:15
They're not going to be popular at the Forest Green away fixture, are they?
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 22, 2019, 11:35:52
Real Madrid's treatment of Gareth Bale is nothing short of embarrassing. He's not been welcome there from the start and fair play to Bale, hes got thick skin and just got on with it.
Its one thing the fans not liking you, but when the manager has a vendetta against you its pretty much impossible.

Bale isn't helping himself in being stubborn and trying to dig his heels in to stay but the public statements from ZZ of late have been out of order.

Its Real Madrid innit, if you don't want a toxic environment don't join them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 22, 2019, 11:37:05
They're not going to be popular at the Forest Green away fixture, are they?

They'll falafel for a bit, then pick up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 22, 2019, 11:39:17
Real Madrid's treatment of Gareth Bale is nothing short of embarrassing. He's not been welcome there from the start and fair play to Bale, hes got thick skin and just got on with it.
Its one thing the fans not liking you, but when the manager has a vendetta against you its pretty much impossible.

Bale isn't helping himself in being stubborn and trying to dig his heels in to stay but the public statements from ZZ of late have been out of order.

Totally agree. If they want him out that badly just shut up pay him off.

Obviously ZZ looking to get him to trigger a move so that he has more in his war chest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 22, 2019, 12:03:25
Totally agree. If they want him out that badly just shut up pay him off.

Obviously ZZ looking to get him to trigger a move so that he has more in his war chest.

Thing is if you earn c.£600k a week there is not going to be a long list of suitors, whatever Madrid decide to do in terms of getting rid he is likely to have to take a hefty pay cut to go anywhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, July 22, 2019, 12:11:49
Thing is if you earn c.£600k a week there is not going to be a long list of suitors, whatever Madrid decide to do in terms of getting rid he is likely to have to take a hefty pay cut to go anywhere.

..apart from China where a club is offering him £1m a week apparently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: scillyred on Monday, July 22, 2019, 12:37:26
..apart from China where a club is offering him £1m a week apparently.

Tax free  :pint: :pint:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 22, 2019, 12:39:35
..apart from China where a club is offering him £1m a week apparently.
Those Chinese clubs were well in evidence on the Hong Kong underground


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, July 22, 2019, 12:49:07
Thing is if you earn c.£600k a week there is not going to be a long list of suitors, whatever Madrid decide to do in terms of getting rid he is likely to have to take a hefty pay cut to go anywhere.
I could take any amount of management shit for that  sort of money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, July 22, 2019, 12:57:50
Real Madrid's treatment of Gareth Bale is nothing short of embarrassing. He's not been welcome there from the start and fair play to Bale, hes got thick skin and just got on with it.
Its one thing the fans not liking you, but when the manager has a vendetta against you its pretty much impossible.

Bale isn't helping himself in being stubborn and trying to dig his heels in to stay but the public statements from ZZ of late have been out of order.
Not really helped him self though has he? Made no effort to learn the language, doesn't integrate with his team mates and disagreed with the manager on playing style. Zidane shouldn't be airing his dirty laundry but Bale clearly thought he had the same stature as Renaldo and well he wasn't even close.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 22, 2019, 13:36:41
Not really helped him self though has he? Made no effort to learn the language....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQNElrcoMqs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 22, 2019, 14:30:36
Possibly should have read 'made no effort to speak the language' as its fairly common knowledge that he doesn't speak much to the players in Spanish and rarely gives interviews in Spanish which winds the fans up.

What is not actually clear is why Zidane gave him the monster new contract in 2016 if he doesn't fancy him that much?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 22, 2019, 15:11:37
Possibly should have read 'made no effort to speak the language' as its fairly common knowledge that he doesn't speak much to the players in Spanish and rarely gives interviews in Spanish which winds the fans up.

What is not actually clear is why Zidane gave him the monster new contract in 2016 if he doesn't fancy him that much?

I suspect your fairly common knowledge may have been something read in the Mail..... a quick scan of the RM squad reveals quite a few are non native Spanish.... the classic line up CL success.... Kroos, German... Modric, Croat...  Varane, French.. Marcelo, Brazilian.... CR, Portugeezer,   Benzema, French.   Presumably in a polyglot changing room, you pick a language to suit.

You don't last 6 years at a club of RM's scale, if you're not integrated to some extent


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, July 22, 2019, 15:18:45
I mean, that's your fact Reg. But I'll wait until Cowley comes along with real life experience.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 22, 2019, 15:31:16
I suspect your fairly common knowledge may have been something read in the Mail..... a quick scan of the RM squad reveals quite a few are non native Spanish.... the classic line up CL success.... Kroos, German... Modric, Croat...  Varane, French.. Marcelo, Brazilian.... CR, Portugeezer,   Benzema, French.   Presumably in a polyglot changing room, you pick a language to suit.

You don't last 6 years at a club of RM's scale, if you're not integrated to some extent

As the Evening Mail covers Spanish football as regularly as the Advertiser I am (as always) somewhat stumped by your point.

However to take your point on board, the language to suit was never going to be English so not sure of the point being made, I cannot comment on the durability of lasting in the Madrid as I have never been a player there, I will have to bow to your superior knowledge of that matter, embarrassed to say I just don't have the depth of facts you have on this topic?  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 22, 2019, 15:40:46
I mean, that's your fact Reg. But I'll wait until Cowley comes along with real life experience.  :hmmm:

Christ has he been in the RM dressing room as well, didn't know we had so many ex La Liga pro's on here?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 22, 2019, 15:47:16
As the Evening Mail covers Spanish football as regularly as the Advertiser I am (as always) somewhat stumped by your point.

However to take your point on board, the language to suit was never going to be English so not sure of the point being made, I cannot comment on the durability of lasting in the Madrid as I have never been a player there, I will have to bow to your superior knowledge of that matter, embarrassed to say I just don't have the depth of facts you have on this topic?  


Football is a universal language......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXWzP-GuUc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, July 22, 2019, 16:18:36
Football is a universal language......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXWzP-GuUc
Language barriers and not embracing local cultures has resulted in many failed moves but then you know that. You are pointless to argue with though, and citing the Fast Show as some sort of fact is a new low even by your standards. I think I’ll join the ‘ignore’ movement, apparently it improves the forum experience no end, soon you’ll just be left arguing the toss with yourself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, July 22, 2019, 17:32:12
Language barriers and not embracing local cultures has resulted in many failed moves but then you know that. You are pointless to argue with though, and citing the Fast Show as some sort of fact is a new low even by your standards. I think I’ll join the ‘ignore’ movement, apparently it improves the forum experience no end, soon you’ll just be left arguing the toss with yourself.

👍 smart move.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, July 22, 2019, 18:16:06
I think even Reg is allowed to have a sense of humour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 22, 2019, 18:43:14
Not really helped him self though has he? Made no effort to learn the language, doesn't integrate with his team mates and disagreed with the manager on playing style. Zidane shouldn't be airing his dirty laundry but Bale clearly thought he had the same stature as Renaldo and well he wasn't even close.

Yeah, I mean all he’s done is score goals & win trophies.

...but fuck that if you can’t speak Spanish.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: StfcRusty on Monday, July 22, 2019, 18:57:58
Not really helped him self though has he? Made no effort to learn the language, doesn't integrate with his team mates and disagreed with the manager on playing style. Zidane shouldn't be airing his dirty laundry but Bale clearly thought he had the same stature as Renaldo and well he wasn't even close.

I saw a documentary on Phillipe Coutinho shortly before he left Liverpool. It showed him at home with his wife having English lessons. Even after 4 years here, he could still barely speak English.  He also seemed to stick in a clique with the other South American players in his free time, which is pretty understandable really.
Did alright though didn’t he?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, July 22, 2019, 19:14:06
Yeah, I mean all he’s done is score goals & win trophies.

...but fuck that if you can’t speak Spanish.
Champions league finals aside he’s never really lived up to the price tag though has he. Last season he was getting booed off (and on) was the pitch by the Madrid fans when he did get on the pitch. He’s been outed by team mates calling him ‘the golfer’ and saying he doesn’t have meals with team mates as they are too late for him.
Fans are fickle, if they don’t feel a player is fitting in then they get on that players back and his on pitch performances haven’t been enough to gloss over what they feel is a lack of effort to embrace the culture.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, July 22, 2019, 19:24:35
As somebody that has seen more of the world than your average Joe, it's just not that easy. You can get involved, and you can even enjoy yourself, but at the end of the day you are just used to what you are used to. It's just what you are most comfortable with. One thing I like about Thailand is the large British expat community.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, July 22, 2019, 19:35:41
I think even Reg is allowed to have a sense of humour.

This. Lay off Reg. :guns2:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 22, 2019, 20:46:44
As somebody that has seen more of the world than your average Joe, it's just not that easy. You can get involved, and you can even enjoy yourself, but at the end of the day you are just used to what you are used to. It's just what you are most comfortable with. One thing I like about Thailand is the large British expat community.

Indeed - I was happy to take my leap because the language wasn't so much of a barrier, but I'd struggle in Spain because I don't do well with new languages and I'd feel like I should learn it if I wanted to live there.  Even here though I find language and culture creates a barrier at times, and I find myself caught between making changes in how I speak or write as I am the guest, vs. trying to tell them they are all wrong!  You only have to look at how the Uk tends to treat immigrants to understand it is probably tough to integrate - even learning the language to a basic level still marks you as an outsider.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, July 22, 2019, 21:00:52
None of that goes away, even after 35 years outside the UK. I remember the first night of the first year I spent in France, I never felt so alone as when the faint medium wave signal of the John Peel show finally faded out, and all my cultural references were left behind. That first year was hard, with the frustration of not being able to express myself properly, but gradually it comes, and now I couldn't live without two cultures. Being a foreigner is brilliant - you see the place you moved to with a fresh eye every day, and have a new perspective on the place you came from. If you've never lived anywhere different, how can you really compare? It's a lot of the tragedy of the US.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: GosportNob on Monday, July 22, 2019, 22:13:24
So basically in Planet Flasheart it's ok to live/work/visit "foreign " countries provided you can find an enclave of Brits you can get pissed with and eat fish and chips?
In my previous employment I worked extensively abroad visiting over 35 countries. I have to say the best times were when I socialised with local people and experienced their culture.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, July 22, 2019, 22:24:15
Yes. Because that is exactly what I said.

 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 22, 2019, 23:14:32
So basically in Planet Flasheart it's ok to live/work/visit "foreign " countries provided you can find an enclave of Brits you can get pissed with and eat fish and chips?
In my previous employment I worked extensively abroad visiting over 35 countries. I have to say the best times were when I socialised with local people and experienced their culture.

Cruise ship?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ron dodgers on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 00:24:12
stoker?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 02:43:47
Champions league finals aside he’s never really lived up to the price tag though has he. Last season he was getting booed off (and on) was the pitch by the Madrid fans when he did get on the pitch. He’s been outed by team mates calling him ‘the golfer’ and saying he doesn’t have meals with team mates as they are too late for him.
Fans are fickle, if they don’t feel a player is fitting in then they get on that players back and his on pitch performances haven’t been enough to gloss over what they feel is a lack of effort to embrace the culture.

Champions League finals aside....pfft.

You’d think most clubs would be fairly satisfied with 4 Champions Leagues in 6 years...
He’s won La Liga too.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:10:27
Champions league finals aside he’s never really lived up to the price tag though has he. Last season he was getting booed off (and on) was the pitch by the Madrid fans when he did get on the pitch. He’s been outed by team mates calling him ‘the golfer’ and saying he doesn’t have meals with team mates as they are too late for him.
Fans are fickle, if they don’t feel a player is fitting in then they get on that players back and his on pitch performances haven’t been enough to gloss over what they feel is a lack of effort to embrace the culture.
He has won more than Zidane ever won at Madrid and scored more than he ever scored. Won more trophies,he has done more for Madrid than Zidane ever did. No shock these stories have all come from Madrid and no one had a bad word to say about him previously until they want to get rid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:31:40
5 mins left in the Spanish Cup Final against Barcelona......

https://youtu.be/yWVrolNQ4RU


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 08:34:04
 I don't have a dog in this fight but it's been quite well documented that Real Madrid's relationship with Bale hasn't been great considering his significant contribution and this is mostly a Zidane issue.

Real fans never warmed to him but early on it seemed like it was more to do with the fact that he wasn't Ronaldo or Benzema than his failure to pick up the language etc.

This should have been filed under 'manager doesn't rate him' but they're going down the 'make him an enemy of the people's road now which is probably an act of desperation.

Zidane didn't rate him whe  he was Real assistant, or during the first tenure and he doesn't rate him now. At least its consistent........

Bale is on big wages and if he wants to dig his heels in then thats his prerogative.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 09:13:46
Champions League finals aside....pfft.

You’d think most clubs would be fairly satisfied with 4 Champions Leagues in 6 years...
He’s won La Liga too.



You would, however this is Real Madrid, a club that take toxic to a higher level!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 09:16:58
You would, however this is Real Madrid, a club that take toxic to a higher level!

RM and their fans have always been an unpleasant lot.... it wasn't unknown for the fans to boo CR, a player who some would argue is the GOAT.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 09:43:01
Don't tell ZZ

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAEe9ouX4AIF2Zs?format=jpg&name=large)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 10:42:16
That stat is completely meaningless considering they played different positions with different responsibilities


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 12:46:41
That stat is completely meaningless considering they played different positions with different responsibilities
And also add in the fact that Zidane managed them to 3 successive champions league wins (and other trophies) which seems to be missing there. His playing career as a whole eclipses anything Bale will ever achieve and I guess he would the definition of what they class as a ‘Galactico’.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 13:59:28
I never realised Oldham had gone this route

‘Players signed from abroad in the last 2 years:

GK Johny Placide
GK Zeus De La Paz
DF Wilfried Moimbe
DF Sohny Sefil
MF Abdelhakim Omrani
MF Queensy Menig
MF Mohamed Maouche
MF Johan Branger-Engone
MF Gevaro Nepomuceno
MF Christopher Missilou
MF Gyamfi Kyeremeh
MF Mohamad Sylla
ST Urko Vera
ST Jonathan Benteke (albeit had appeared in England before)
ST Marvin Kokos

As you can see it has been wildly successful...’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, July 27, 2019, 12:21:05
Blatantly moving for the money - £1million a week. Ludicrous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49134836


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, July 27, 2019, 12:29:03
Blatantly moving for the money - £1million a week. Ludicrous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49134836
Only a matter of time before they buy their way into the Champions league or instigate some world super league with the money they throw at it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, July 28, 2019, 14:28:35
Blatantly moving for the money - £1million a week. Ludicrous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49134836
Not any more he isn't
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49144872


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, August 4, 2019, 18:15:10
Bristol Shitheads spending £7.3m on an 18 year old from Monaco with just 3 first team games under his belt. WTF are football transfer fees coming to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, August 5, 2019, 15:39:08
The boycott trophy finally finds a sponsor after the season has already begun. I've never heard of them and I won't publicise them here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Monday, August 5, 2019, 15:57:01
Don't tell ZZ

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAEe9ouX4AIF2Zs?format=jpg&name=large)




I always liked it when Mark and Lard used to call him ZZ thin on Top  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 07:12:46
(https://i.imgur.com/gZC7NIU.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 07:38:18
Oh my goodness. That is like an upgrade (or rather downgrade) on a half and half shirt/scarf combination


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 08:26:49
Isn't that JayBox or whatever his name is?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 08:32:46
Yes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 08:39:34
 I don't see what's wrong with this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 08:52:24
He's a bit of a weapon really.

Actually that's super harsh. His heart is in the right place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 09:15:46
Wonder if he tweets all the exeter players as well?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 09:16:53
When did this place get so catty?  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 09:23:47
When did this place get so catty?  :D

I think a lot of us realised he's a massive bellend long ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 09:30:55
I think a lot of us realised he's a massive bellend long ago.
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:21:49
Dybala's move to Spurs breaking down over image rights. FFS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:27:52
Dybala's move to Spurs breaking down over image rights. FFS
No chance that deal was ever going to happen in my opinion. It is a typical Levy move to talk with targets that will not happen to keep the manager happy in my opinion.

Image rights are total bollocks though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:30:24
No chance that deal was ever going to happen in my opinion. It is a typical Levy move to talk with targets that will not happen to keep the manager happy in my opinion.
May be right, looks like the player is awkward as well, isn't this the 3rd deal for him that's collapsed this window? Maybe citing "image rights" is just a convenient excuse that still makes it look like the club were willing to spend the fee and wages, just broke down because the player was greedy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:34:02
Probably on a fair deal at Juve and probably happy. I would imagine he is being moved on against his will as he said he wanted to stay and is probably thinking well if i leave it has to be worth my while.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:42:34
https://www.efl.com/news/2019/august/efl-statement-bury-fc-update2/

Latest on Bury.  League seem to be saying 14 days or you are no longer a member of the EFL, so effectively liquidation I suppose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:45:15
Bolton still not selling tickets for their game v Coventry Saturday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 14:20:34
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-statement-fan-texting-3198585


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 14:36:06
"he was accused of being a “gamblers informant” "

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's not as though he would be privy to sensitive information.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 14:39:32
I think it's a timing scam for in play bets where they can get the information out quicker than whatever the official sources the bookies use.

certainly saw a program on it in tennis : an informant indicating which player scored a point. iirc it's not illegal at all but obviously the venue has the right to eject you as it's against t&c.

I'd still tell security to do one though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 14:42:11
"he was accused of being a “gamblers informant” "

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It's not as though he would be privy to sensitive information.

Some Asian gambling syndicates had people at games in the past, sending them live updates to exploit minute delays in in-play betting systems. I assume they've cut that out by now though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 14:51:16
I think it's a timing scam for in play bets where they can get the information out quicker than whatever the official sources the bookies use.

certainly saw a program on it in tennis : an informant indicating which player scored a point. iirc it's not illegal at all but obviously the venue has the right to eject you as it's against t&c.

I'd still tell security to do one though

It was this program

Can You Beat The Bookies?: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p07hjnl6


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 15:11:05
nah, not unless it's a repeat. the one I'm think of was ages ago but that one looks interesting too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 15:19:00
Some Asian gambling syndicates had people at games in the past, sending them live updates to exploit minute delays in in-play betting systems. I assume they've cut that out by now though.

Maybe I'm being a bit dim, which wouldn't be the first time, but why the need to have somebody in the crowd when they can just watch it on iFollow or listen on the radio?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 15:24:32
delay I guess, certainly with ifollow


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 15:25:32
Broadcasts are generally delayed, if only marginally.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, August 11, 2019, 15:27:17
I was watching Grimsby v Bradford yesterday. I had Grimsby down for a win. I was also locked in to Skybet and iFollow was nearly 3 minutes behind Skybet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 12:08:05
I've always found the ipnlay match graphics interesting. Especially Bet365's where not only to the show a team attacking and shooting but they also follow the path of the ball.
Its always intrigued me how they do it, its one thing for the big leagues, but how do they get this data for say the Moldovan 5th division reserve matches


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 12:34:45
I've always found the ipnlay match graphics interesting. Especially Bet365's where not only to the show a team attacking and shooting but they also follow the path of the ball.
Its always intrigued me how they do it, its one thing for the big leagues, but how do they get this data for say the Moldovan 5th division reserve matches

Are you sure that type of information is even accurate?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 14:25:34
I think it's a timing scam for in play bets where they can get the information out quicker than whatever the official sources the bookies use.

certainly saw a program on it in tennis : an informant indicating which player scored a point. iirc it's not illegal at all but obviously the venue has the right to eject you as it's against t&c.

I'd still tell security to do one though

The days when scams such as this against the bookies were viable are well past https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Future

Good film though...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, August 14, 2019, 10:27:48
I've always found the ipnlay match graphics interesting. Especially Bet365's where not only to the show a team attacking and shooting but they also follow the path of the ball.
Its always intrigued me how they do it, its one thing for the big leagues, but how do they get this data for say the Moldovan 5th division reserve matches

Right now, it's still manual. Opta, now owned by Perform/STATS are the market leaders. AI is coming down the tracks pretty darn fast for this though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 16, 2019, 15:20:13
Maybe this explains Mansfield’s poor start to the season.

2 players arrested and others regularly out on the piss.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, August 16, 2019, 22:03:34
Allegedly assaulting a youth player that had been released in June.
Said victim is in hospital with horrible looking injuries.

Club owners out of the country and a rookie manager at the helm. Inmates appear to be taking over the asylum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, August 17, 2019, 04:54:15
Mellis and O’Donohue the players arrested.

The lad has a bleed on the brain and, now, a sideways looking nose. And all because they took the piss out of the lad’s haircut and he said something back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 08:58:17
The malign influence of the EU on the handball rule, according to Ian Holloway anyway. Made me smile.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/21/eu-to-blame-football-new-handball-rule-ian-holloway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 09:08:34
The malign influence of the EU on the handball rule, according to Ian Holloway anyway. Made me smile.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/21/eu-to-blame-football-new-handball-rule-ian-holloway

Hollowhead at his finest....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 09:52:38
"telling us how to do our own game"

Or indeed how to speak your own language in a correct manner :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 10:52:00
The malign influence of the EU on the handball rule, according to Ian Holloway anyway. Made me smile.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/21/eu-to-blame-football-new-handball-rule-ian-holloway

Looking glorious in his hat too

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0e1eda019ba1612aeda8c8ebe93973470edf5388/207_115_1558_934/master/1558.jpg?width=1225&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=52d9b68ecf56efada5d3b450c2fb39ad)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 22, 2019, 13:36:35
Good old FA!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-49418946


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, August 23, 2019, 16:36:19
Can't believe Watford have told season ticket holders that if they miss a match without telling them they  could have their season ticket withdrawn,   WTF,   like being back at school.
They say the reason is that another fan could then purchase the season ticket holders seat, but wait for it -
The club keep the money and the season ticket holder gets fuck all.
You couldn't make it up, penny pinching bastards.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, August 23, 2019, 16:41:01
Thats human nature unfortunately. Most people are powered by greed. A very shitty example though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, August 23, 2019, 17:10:31
Can't believe Watford have told season ticket holders that if they miss a match without telling them they  could have their season ticket withdrawn,   WTF,   like being back at school.
They say the reason is that another fan could then purchase the season ticket holders seat, but wait for it -
The club keep the money and the season ticket holder gets fuck all.
You couldn't make it up, penny pinching bastards.



Dont man utd do a similar thing too?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 08:55:05
Greedy agents risking a young player's career so they can take a cut:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/28/liverpool-bobby-duncan-deny-mentally-bullying-agent


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 09:21:26
Dont man utd do a similar thing too?

Not sure about that, although I believe ST holders are forced to buy tickets for all cup games even if they're not attending.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 09:56:30
Pretty piss poor performance by Swindon here...

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/football-kits-english-clubs-2019-20-premier-league-efl-liverpool-arsenal-manchester-united-city-a9082881.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 10:25:38
Pretty piss poor performance by Swindon here...

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/football-kits-english-clubs-2019-20-premier-league-efl-liverpool-arsenal-manchester-united-city-a9082881.html

Yep, bit disappointing from Town, but Stevenage's "extra cheese on that?" monstrosity 40th ffs?! Second in L2 just behind fairy-tale Salford, as the locals scramble to demonstrate their lifetime of loyalty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 11:40:44
I call bollocks to the entire article.  The company named who provided the data are an online retailer - well not even that, looks like they offer click through traffic of some nature to multiple retailer websites.  I doubt they have a Scooby who has really sold what.  Huddersfield and Stevenage being the giveaways I think.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 11:44:55
They have guessed, it's just for self promotion for their site. Pure clickbait


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, August 29, 2019, 12:28:59
Who the fuck are Crewe Alexander?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 4, 2019, 10:21:54
The video of a Rangers fan waiting an hour after Sunday's game to taunt Scott Brown about his dead sister


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, September 4, 2019, 13:12:18
"Romelu Lukaku: Monkey chants a form of 'respect' and 'not racist' say Inter Milan fans group."  BBC Sport news.

The Inter Milan fans group are morons.  That's not me being rude, it's actually a form of 'respect' on my part.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 5, 2019, 16:02:42
Soooooo.

Huddersfield wear a kit contravening advertising rules £50k fine https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49599541

MIllwall fans racist chanting £10k fine https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49193532


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, September 7, 2019, 15:19:59
BBC Sport app, live football text commentary is the WSL and no live EFL coverage?. Yet, Happy to camp outside Gigg Lane when Bury were going tits up?

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 13:05:23
Not sure where to put this as disn't really warrent a thread of its own, but Billy Kee struggling. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/17892681.stanley-issue-statement-absence-billy-kee/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 13:06:56
Not sure where to put this as disn't really warrent a thread of its own, but Billy Kee struggling. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/17892681.stanley-issue-statement-absence-billy-kee/
That awful for the lad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 14:05:13
We should also heed, and it's speculation on my part but that could well be a similar reason as to why Broadbent hasn't been even selected for the matchday squad at times. Your health matters more. As we are all aware.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tj2002 on Thursday, September 12, 2019, 13:33:38
Paul Warne seemingly struggling at Rotherham too

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/17893615.amp/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, September 15, 2019, 10:56:04
Players celebrating when they score against Bolton. Rotherham yesterday were more restrained than some that I've seen but even then the lad who scored the 6th (SIXTH) went running to the corner flag like he'd scored in the Cup Final...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 15, 2019, 10:57:06
Players celebrating when they score against Bolton. Rotherham yesterday were more restrained than some that I've seen but even then the lad who scored the 6th (SIXTH) went running to the corner flag like he'd scored in the Cup Final...
Flitcroft already working his magic at Bolton :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, September 15, 2019, 10:57:58
Haha! Yeah, they had only been conceding five! They took 2,500 there though - fair play.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ferret on Monday, September 16, 2019, 06:20:30
Haha. Like most people I’ve always had respect for Keith Hill, but I had to chuckle on the highlights show yesterday when he was turning out all the Flitcroft-esque bullshit about how everyone had given ‘one million percent’, etc etc.

I’ve heard that Chris Robertson is looking for a club, and he can kick a ball quite a long way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 16, 2019, 06:25:19
Robertson signed for Ilkeston Town in the Northern Premier League.

Lancashire is getting absolute pelters from Crewe fans.

Thanks for those 2 Flitcroft!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 16, 2019, 09:20:16
Robertson signed for Ilkeston Town in the Northern Premier League.

Lancashire is getting absolute pelters from Crewe fans.

Thanks for those 2 Flitcroft!

Indeed, the Crewe fans have not been enamored by him so far, slow, can't read games well and poor in the tackle, although they say his heading is improving.

Will go down as one of the great forgetable players in Swindons long history, along with many many others in that squad such as Robertson.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, September 16, 2019, 10:46:43
Robertson was an utterly terrible signing...clearly not even Conference standard. Him and Lancs would probably have to be the CB pairing in my worse ever Town XI...that's some achievement  ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 16, 2019, 10:49:05
No redeeming features for either of them. Even good old Russell Lewis could do the basics.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:05:12
No redeeming features for either of them. Even good old Russell Lewis could do the basics.

It's interesting that CR win rate is 61% and Lancashire's is 54.6%, which compare favourably with Dion Conroy's 49.1%


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:07:02
It's interesting that CR win rate is 61% and Lancashire's is 54.6%, which compare favourably with Dion Conroy's 49.1%
And demonstrates that such stats are utterly meaningless in assessing a player's contribution or ability


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:11:39
Fortunately, Robertson only sullied the first XI 18 times. Somehow, Lancashire managed 55 appearances in 2 of the most depressing seasons in our history.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:14:18
Fortunately, Robertson only sullied the first XI 18 times. Somehow, Lancashire managed 55 appearances in 2 of the most depressing seasons in our history.
It is amazing how many league games Robertson has actually amassed during a long career, well over 300. Certainly up there with the worst defenders ever to grace the Swindon team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:17:09
Fortunately, Robertson only sullied the first XI 18 times. Somehow, Lancashire managed 55 appearances in 2 of the most depressing seasons in our history.

Neither were great... but OL is up to 250 FL appearances and CR did 330. Journeymen Div 4 poss Div 3 in their better days old skool stoppers, an honourable trade. Good luck to them both.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ferret on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:25:30
It is amazing how many league games Robertson has actually amassed during a long career, well over 300. Certainly up there with the worst defenders ever to grace the Swindon team.

Yep. And to say that neither of them should have been allowed anywhere near a 2-year deal isn't just being wise after the event.

If you want a grizzled old centre back with a lower league history, offer him a year and tell him to take it or leave it.

If someone else is ultimately daft enough to offer him 2, just go and find an alternative.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ferret on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:34:02
And demonstrates that such stats are utterly meaningless in assessing a player's contribution or ability

The other stupid thing about win ratio stats, which I never understand, is why they don't take draws into account. They should be titled points ratios.

As it stands, getting stuffed at home by shit like Crawley and Barnet invariably gets the same credit as earning a very credible point somewhere like Exeter or Cheltenham.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:52:10
If you want a grizzled old centre back with a lower league history, offer him a year and tell him to take it or leave it.
Exactly, can you imagine if we got promoted under Flipflop then we would have had Robertson and Lancashire as L1 centre backs for another season...and stuck with Mr Moany as manager still.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, September 16, 2019, 11:53:42
Yep. And to say that neither of them should have been allowed anywhere near a 2-year deal isn't just being wise after the event.

If you want a grizzled old centre back with a lower league history, offer him a year and tell him to take it or leave it.

If someone else is ultimately daft enough to offer him 2, just go and find an alternative.

These are the sort of problems you get a result of getting relegated, and having to throw together a new squad in a short period of time. If you think back to that time, the one consistent mantra of Town fans was we needed some experience, a bit of graft.  TT agreed and then just signed kids. Flitcroft got us some Div 4 experience for a Div 4 campaign.

The argument about what sort of defenders you need in the modern game is interesting... at the highest level, you see plenty of examples of Div 4 defending from fellas who cost millions, so you end up with John Stones. Yet Leicester won the league with Morgan and Huth.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 14:54:27
Whats wrong with football?

Bournemouth about to pay one of their players Ryan Fraser £100k per week, thats whats wrong with it.

How quickly fortunes can change in a few years.

Bucket rattling Matt Ritchie stealing wankers.

Not that I am holding a grudge!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 15:20:42
I want my fiver back.

'Fairy Tale' fuckers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 13:32:44
Soooooo.

Huddersfield wear a kit contravening advertising rules £50k fine https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49599541

MIllwall fans racist chanting £10k fine https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49193532
Fans attacking players also less important than breaching advertising rules, shows where the football authorities' priorities lie:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49732978


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 19, 2019, 14:27:11
Hmmmmm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49752486


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 19, 2019, 14:51:09
Hmmmmm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49752486
Broadly what you'd expect given that "hate crimes" overall are on the rise, not just in football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 15:44:30
Hubris and greed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-49837273


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 15:52:36
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-49841762

Idiots!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 16:06:48
Yep they were all pissed up. A friend of mine drove by there minutes before the accident is said to have happened. Could you imagine if others had been involved?

I know we touch on LMc here of course but these players are already old enough to know better. Lawrence 25, Bennett 23 and Keogh is about 35. Dickheads.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 16:09:35
Yep they were all pissed up. A friend of mine drove by there minutes before the accident is said to have happened. Could you imagine if others had been involved?

I know we touch on LMc here of course but these players are already old enough to know better. Lawrence 25, Bennett 23 and Keogh is about 35. Dickheads.

Especially as 'In a statement, Derby County said the crash followed a team-building dinner.

"A small group, including the team captain Richard Keogh, continued drinking into the night," the statement said.

"They should have known when to stop and also ignored the opportunity to be driven home using cars laid on by the club, and chose to stay out."

Ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 16:28:02
Not as if they couldn’t afford a cab.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 16:32:39
Hubris and greed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-49837273
Reminds me a bit of when Posh Spice tried to trademark the name "Posh" and tried to stop Peterborough Utd from using it, a nickname they had since the 1921.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2002/nov/05/newsstory.sport9

Suffice to say she lost.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 18:10:03
Not as if they couldn’t afford a cab.

Absolutely!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 19:22:16
Richard Keogh looks like he's in his late 40s. Obviously had a hard life.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, September 26, 2019, 20:32:43
Richard Keogh looks like he's in his late 40s. Obviously had a hard life.

Alcohol will do that to you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 05:48:39
This dickhead is part of the problem. Didn't hear it? Didn't know his player(captain?) was out talking to their fans at half time. What a shit weasel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50050684


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 06:48:27
Alcohol will do that to you

Smoking prematurely ages the skin too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 08:00:56
This dickhead is part of the problem. Didn't hear it? Didn't know his player(captain?) was out talking to their fans at half time. What a shit weasel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50050684


HIghlight from the story was

'Balakov said he would be "truly sorry if it did turn out to be true" but said there had been no such problems before.'

Then couple of paras later

'The Vasil Levski Stadium was subject to a partial closure for this match after Bulgaria were sanctioned for racist behaviour during qualifiers against Kosovo and the Czech Republic.

"This has not happened to us before," said Balakov, whose translator added that the disciplinary measures imposed on Bulgaria by Uefa were not because of racist chanting but "because of a banner of an organisation that is not forbidden by Bulgarian law".'


The guy makes comical Ali credible....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 09:15:28
The Bulgarian prime minister has called for the head of the country's football association to resign after England players were racially abused in a European qualifier in Sofia on Monday.

The match was halted twice because of racist behaviour by home fans.

Prime minister Boyko Borissov has asked his sports minister to suspend all relations with the Bulgarian Football Union (BFU), "including financial ones", until Borislav Mihaylov resigns.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 12:40:49
The Bulgarian prime minister has called for the head of the country's football association to resign after England players were racially abused in a European qualifier in Sofia on Monday.

The match was halted twice because of racist behaviour by home fans.

Prime minister Boyko Borissov has asked his sports minister to suspend all relations with the Bulgarian Football Union (BFU), "including financial ones", until Borislav Mihaylov resigns.

Scapegoat..

I doubt the Bulgarian FA are in charge of Bulgarian plod, who did nothing....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 12:43:03
Its difficult isn't it. How do you "ban racism" other than by closing the doors?

We haven't totally got rid of it ourselves. Bulgaria are back where we were in the 80s. It takes a change in society.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 12:48:17
Scapegoat..


Not really.

While the chants and Nazi salutes etc may not be his fault, he did himself no favours by denying there is a problem. If he'd condemned it instead then he would probably not have people calling for him to be sacked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 13:14:35
He's resigned


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 13:53:14
Its difficult isn't it. How do you "ban racism" other than by closing the doors?

We haven't totally got rid of it ourselves. Bulgaria are back where we were in the 80s. It takes a change in society.



We seem to also be creeping backwards on the issue what with Banana's being thrown, the issues at Millwall and the ridiculous fine and the shite that Sterling gets, somewhat ironically via the same media outlets that were very vociferous in condoning Bulgaria this morning.

Oh and our PM.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 13:55:35
We seem to also be creeping backwards on the issue what with Banana's being thrown, the issues at Millwall and the ridiculous fine and the shite that Sterling gets, somewhat ironically via the same media outlets that were very vociferous in condoning Bulgaria this morning.

Oh and our PM.....

Exactly.... the stench of hypocrisy is strong.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 14:26:48
Racists and what really is it..
Serious question.. Living outside the UK for many years you realise people's views and behaviour patterns are simply not the same and neither should they be.
When comments fly by... Just another f#ucking POME arriving...Is this a Racist comment?
I am of the belief that we as humans are simply different and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Don't use the Racist card as a crutch.
Just my opinion and go Boris with Brexit😎
What ever happens good luck my friends


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 14:32:32
Racists and what really is it..
Serious question.. Living outside the UK for many years you realise people's views and behaviour patterns are simply not the same and neither should they be.
When comments fly by... Just another f#ucking POME arriving...Is this a Racist comment?
I am of the belief that we as humans are simply different and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger
Don't use the Racist card as a crutch.
Just my opinion and go Boris with Brexit😎
What ever happens good luck my friends

Apposite.....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/04/new-zealand-braces-for-protests-ahead-of-anniversary-of-captain-cooks-landing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 14:41:23
I rest my case..
The natives in question had the right idea when they first arrived.....simply eat the previous lot.
 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 14:44:03
I think making derogatory comments against people because of the colour of their skin, when people have been persecuted throughout history (and brutally so) because of the colour of their skin, is a bit different to being called a Pom

Jesus fucking Christ


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 14:48:39
Its difficult isn't it. How do you "ban racism" other than by closing the doors?

We haven't totally got rid of it ourselves. Bulgaria are back where we were in the 80s. It takes a change in society.



Fans don't self police, I throw myself into that category.  I have been in the TE when racist chants have started and not done much more than shout shut the fuck up.  Closing the doors may make the rest of push for a bit more peer pressure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 14:54:10
We have all been used my friend
Some more than others...suggest it is still happening today
But...yes a big but. what are you doing about it
And one further point... The natives don't just call names they simply fucking hate you


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 15:00:00
Although not a good example...look at South Africa and especially Zim...
Be careful what you wish for..cos you might just get it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 15:49:08
My mate moved to NZ a few years back and hasn't had any trouble at all. Maybe you're just a cunt?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 16:00:14
My mate moved to NZ a few years back and hasn't had any trouble at all. Maybe you're just a cunt?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Coincidentally I used to work with a very nice lass from New Zealand who was the only person male or female I have encountered in my whole career who was happy to regularly use the word cunt in professional meetings.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Robinz on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 16:10:39
Having just spent 4 weeks back in Britain it was surprising and really great to see many happy and contented people back there
I really hope for everyone it continues into the future...Swindon get promoted and it never rains on a Sunday...
That said perhaps one day you will actually see what is currently happening in the world
Take care my fellow cunts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 16:14:38
What a complete, utter, unironic cunny


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, October 15, 2019, 16:58:23
That said perhaps one day you will actually see what is currently happening in the world
Take care my fellow cunts

My younger boy spent some time in NZ recently and he did some hiking up glaciers in SI... apparently he got in while the going is good as they're melting due to climate change. 

That is currently what is happening in the world, not that you'd know it from the reaction of our politicians


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 01:30:17
I know I'm partial to glass of Absinthe or six, betwixt the witching hour and the date of a Harvest Moon but fuck me; has Robinz been on a serious bender of 'Racist Juice'?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Robinz on Wednesday, October 16, 2019, 01:52:17
Was sitting in the Koro lounge waiting for a flight to Brisbane for business and wanted to understand why all the fuss about some turds in Sofia are all over the international news about some stupid remarks made at a football match when the situation in the world is very much more serious ask pointed out by Reg...
Then classed as a c÷nt.... and a Racist as well
Wish my fishing at the weekend was half as good..
😎


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 18, 2019, 12:03:21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50082517


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 18, 2019, 15:58:08
This could go in both the What's right with and What's wrong with threads. The right first: the Bulgarian FA (BFU) president and exec committee have resigned following an exec committee meeting today, along with the "hear no evil, see no evil" manager. The wrong: they've gone out insisting that nothing was wrong and Southgate just made it all up. But they're still resigning.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/18/bulgaria-football-president-says-gareth-southgate-exaggerated-racist-abuse-england-borislav-mihaylov


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Friday, October 18, 2019, 18:00:34
I suspect most of the denial is because we have it just as bad here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 23, 2019, 15:24:00
And we thought we had problems with some of the Shrivvy Road residents:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/23/freiburg-ordered-no-night-sunday-matches-new-stadium-next-sesaon-fears-noise

TLDR: Bundesliga side Freiburg nearing completion of a new E80m stadium have been told they can't have night games or Sunday afternoon matches there after local residents win court action


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 25, 2019, 13:47:46
Lazio Ultras (who Di Canio is so proud to be a part of) marching through Glasgow making Nazi salutes yesterday:

https://news.sky.com/story/lazio-fans-filmed-making-nazi-salutes-in-glasgow-ahead-of-celtic-game-11844335


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 25, 2019, 13:59:06
Lazio Ultras (who Di Canio is so proud to be a part of) marching through Glasgow making Nazi salutes yesterday:

https://news.sky.com/story/lazio-fans-filmed-making-nazi-salutes-in-glasgow-ahead-of-celtic-game-11844335
Not the first time this season this has happened either. Similar happened in Rennes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 25, 2019, 14:12:32
Not the first time this season this has happened either. Similar happened in Rennes.
They have a very long history of it, disgusting scum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 25, 2019, 20:52:59
Man City's media agency advertising for social media "influencers" to attend their Champions League games because the shit group is less likely to appeal to "core fans"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50159583


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, October 26, 2019, 06:43:21
Not the first time this season this has happened either. Similar happened in Rennes.

They’ve been doing it for longer than the Balkan teams have been making monkey noises, yet it seems to warrant less action by the authorities.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, October 26, 2019, 08:58:48
Plastic fantastic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, October 26, 2019, 12:48:10
They have a very long history of it, disgusting scum.

Was doing some reading up on left wing ultra fan groups a couple of years back. Yes, they do still exist.

Clicked on a search result without paying attention to the actual website. Can't remember the tagline, but site was called storm front.
Name says it all. Nasty stuff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, October 26, 2019, 17:59:13
If you think you've seen some daft VAR decisions in the Premier League:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50196446


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Saturday, October 26, 2019, 18:03:09
If you think you've seen some daft VAR decisions in the Premier League:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50196446

I'm so pleased we don't have var in L2.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, October 28, 2019, 10:16:13
Lazio Ultras (who Di Canio is so proud to be a part of) marching through Glasgow making Nazi salutes yesterday:

https://news.sky.com/story/lazio-fans-filmed-making-nazi-salutes-in-glasgow-ahead-of-celtic-game-11844335
Although the Celtic fans had a very eloquent response, with this banner displayed at the match itself
(http://thumb.besoccer.com/media/img_news/pancarta-de-humillacion-a-mussolini-en-el-celtic-park-durante-el-celtic-lazio--twitter.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 28, 2019, 10:19:59
I had to google what that is a pic of, I thought it was a bear with a sword :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, October 28, 2019, 10:24:08
I had to google what that is a pic of, I thought it was a bear with a sword :D
Ha sorry, it was the best one I could find. For those similarly perplexed it's a print of Mussolini hanging after he was executed by Italian resistance fighters.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Monday, October 28, 2019, 10:24:43
I had to google what that is a pic of, I thought it was a bear with a sword :D

Lazio fans are well known for their love of Hofmeister  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 28, 2019, 10:27:22
Lazio fans are well known for their love of Hofmeister  ;)
Well if you want great fascists follow the bear.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 28, 2019, 15:47:53
Although the Celtic fans had a very eloquent response, with this banner displayed at the match itself
(http://thumb.besoccer.com/media/img_news/pancarta-de-humillacion-a-mussolini-en-el-celtic-park-durante-el-celtic-lazio--twitter.jpg)

Not everyone is happy about that....

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/mussolini-s-granddaughter-wants-celtic-fans-prosecuted-over-hanging-body-banner-1-5033502/amp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 16:17:50
Bulgarias punishment for the racism vs England the other week:

ordered to play 2 games behind closed doors (1 game suspended for 2 years)
£75,000 fine
Have to have a banner saying ‘no to racism’ with the uefa logo on at the stadium.

Why even fucking bother?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 16:25:20
Bulgarias punishment for the racism vs England the other week:

ordered to play 2 games behind closed doors (1 game suspended for 2 years)
£75,000 fine
Have to have a banner saying ‘no to racism’ with the uefa logo on at the stadium.

Why even fucking bother?


That'll learn 'em!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 20:52:06
Bristol City making losses of £500k a WEEK

Spending £101 on wages per £100 bought in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 20:57:58
Bristol City making losses of £500k a WEEK

Spending £101 on wages per £100 bought in.

A fairytale, such a well run club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 21:58:41
Bristol City making losses of £500k a WEEK

Spending £101 on wages per £100 bought in.

that's a little bit of Sun reporting from you there. It's important to show all the info, they made a profit of £13m? player sales covered their loses- without those sales they would have lost £15-£25 but they didn't. if they sell every year like they have done it's no issue. if they dont uts no issue anyway as they have lansdown.

as much as I hate them. far more clubs I hate for financial reasons


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 23:35:59
They also turned over £14m on Commercial Activity


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 16:43:27
Let's face it, UEFA don't actually give a shit about racism:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/10/30/qpr-disgusted-embarrassed-dismayed-uefas-apparent-lack-action/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 16:57:55
Wilshire FA aren't much better.

Stull waiting to hear back about witnessing an unsavoury incident between a parent, a coach and an attempted clubbing in a pre season tournament (not either from our club).

mind you, it did turn into a police matter, and I guess that may need to conclude before they take action


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 11:40:13
Pox getting Man City in the League cup quarter finals. Yes, yes I am jealous. And bitter. And I'm not too proud to admit it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 11:42:42
Fuck ‘em in the ear!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 11:43:23
It's OK Paul, we'll get a big away fixture in round 3 of the FA Cup  :no:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 11:46:33
It's OK Paul, we'll get a big away fixture in round 3 of the FA Cup  :no:
:D :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 11:58:23
Pox getting Man City in the League cup quarter finals. Yes, yes I am jealous. And bitter. And I'm not too proud to admit it

ColU have the better draw...... it will probably set them up for a decent tilt at promotion next season if they don't make it this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 12:07:46
ColU have the better draw...... it will probably set them up for a decent tilt at promotion next season if they don't make it this.
Maybe but they're not Pox so I don't really care


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 12:13:21
Maybe but they're not Pox so I don't really care

Fair enough ColU are more of a direct competitor atm so are of more concern to me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 12:23:23
Fair enough ColU are more of a direct competitor atm so are of more concern to me.
Which is also reasonable and considerably more rational than my response. But it would be fucking hilarious if they won at Old Trafford :)


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 13:02:55
ColU have the better draw...... it will probably set them up for a decent tilt at promotion next season if they don't make it this.
Or pay for some of massive losses they have been running up.

Sent from my Mi A1


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 13:31:14
Or pay for some of massive losses they have been running up.

Sent from my Mi A1

If that's the way they want to go about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 31, 2019, 16:16:42
I am not sure whether this is wrong or right, but this was the only thread on the front page and I couldn't be arsed to look for the other one....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50228024


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, November 1, 2019, 07:01:00
I am not sure whether this is wrong or right, but this was the only thread on the front page and I couldn't be arsed to look for the other one....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50228024

Dunno how to directly link tweets but this was my favourite response



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, November 1, 2019, 09:44:37
I had hoped for one of the Manchester clubs away, especially as we played City in the league cup at home last year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Friday, November 1, 2019, 10:41:06
https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/1189985747580936192/photo/1

Winding players up is one thing but this was way too much. And from his own "fans" if I understood correctly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, November 1, 2019, 12:01:04
The comments...fucking hell, it's always the comments.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 18:06:53
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/brescia/story/3981721/verona-council-wants-mario-balotelli-to-face-legal-action-over-racism-claims


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 18:48:17
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/brescia/story/3981721/verona-council-wants-mario-balotelli-to-face-legal-action-over-racism-claims
I think that belongs in the 'What's wrong with Italian Society' thread to be fair...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 12:50:42
Right then, 34-year old player who's recently been released by his club. Any ideas?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/professional-footballer-arrested-trying-blackmail-20821946


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 13:15:52
first thought was Keogh, but he's only 33


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 13:33:21
Its a bit of a needle in haystack thing with that little information, likewise any ideas who the prem player caught in a compromising position was, as mentioned later in that story?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 21:32:26
And this happens in just the year we face our other nemesis.  >:(

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50317070?ns_linkname=sport&ns_campaign=bbc_sport&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 11, 2019, 12:52:11
Sending off the victim of racist chants. Yeah, that'll fix it. FFS.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/10/shakhtar-donetsks-taison-sent-off-for-reaction-to-racist-insults


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 13, 2019, 17:41:32
The league two play off final in may being played a week before the other 2 play off finals to accomodate the FA Cup final. Best bit of the season having all 3 finals one after the other!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 21, 2019, 17:33:37
Sending off the victim of racist chants. Yeah, that'll fix it. FFS.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/10/shakhtar-donetsks-taison-sent-off-for-reaction-to-racist-insults

Just gets better!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50508069


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 16:53:33
Fucking coppers getting away with murder:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50592077


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 17:11:41
Fucking coppers getting away with murder:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50592077


They are still responsible as are a bunch of others as per the inquest and report into events of that day, just no one person is going to jail for it.

oh and in the new world of fake news it's Manslaughter not murder.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 17:49:49
Blimey. Shocker for Power.  :eek:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50578098?fbclid=IwAR11M7q0vq97YU7XvFUutARh5VdtoO_DY_o5vHq3gBfw4GiS8QfIbIxJk44


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 17:52:02
Blimey. Shocker for Power.  :eek:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50578098?fbclid=IwAR11M7q0vq97YU7XvFUutARh5VdtoO_DY_o5vHq3gBfw4GiS8QfIbIxJk44

I'll take it if it means top of the league and playing attractive football. Of course, they're not mutually exclusive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 17:56:28
I'll take it if it means top of the league and playing attractive football. Of course, they're not mutually exclusive.

Yes. If money alone counted, the table would look very different. It does say something about our chairman's priorities though. Still surprised we come bottom. Lots of clubs' ownership aren't very popular - perhaps they only surveyed our fb group.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 18:04:23
Blimey. Shocker for Power.  :eek:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50578098?fbclid=IwAR11M7q0vq97YU7XvFUutARh5VdtoO_DY_o5vHq3gBfw4GiS8QfIbIxJk44

Again a puzzler, when I've pointed out the chronic lack of communication between club and fans, the usual suspects have called foul saying all is good. It's just me being pathetic for missing all the examples of players and staff going into local schools and working gratis.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 18:30:49
I’m at a loss to understand exactly what ‘fan engagement’ means to fans.

I don’t give a flying one that the club doesn’t keep me informed about what’s going on. I’m not interested in the day to day minutiae of how the club is run.

I’m interested in how the team performs on the pitch - end of.

Sure, when the big stuff comes up like the purchasing of the CG it’s nice to be kept in the loop.

Just what does everyone else want to know?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 18:38:48
Who the hell have they surveyed? They can only have done it using people from that Facebook group. There's much worst owners than Power and clubs even more detached. How can he worst than the likes of Macclesfield, or Southend etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 18:44:36
Who the hell have they surveyed? They can only have done it using people from that Facebook group. There's much worst owners than Power and clubs even more detached. How can he worst than the likes of Macclesfield, or Southend etc.

Isnt this the thing on the group where people were being told to vote we were crap?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 18:50:09
Isnt this the thing on the group where people were being told to vote we were crap?
I do seem to remember something like that actually yeah, so basically it’s a fabrication based on a minority of fuckwits. Standard. It sounds a like it’s a nonsense survey anyway as you only get points when the club has ‘formally’ organised fans forums, supporter liaisons etc. So doesn’t really show the full picture as the supporters club organise a lot and the club gets involved with their initiatives similarly with the BBC fans phones ins.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:06:14
Who the hell have they surveyed? They can only have done it using people from that Facebook group. There's much worst owners than Power and clubs even more detached. How can he worst than the likes of Macclesfield, or Southend etc.

So unsurprisingly you're in the all is good camp.

It says the survey is based on publically accessible data. The club have admitted things aren't as they should be and appointed someone to improve matters, which is in line with the EFL supporters charter.

 We've debated before in that charter is an obligation for 2 fans/club meetings a year, but as usual when I've pointed out it would be good idea for the club to stick to their obligation, it's shoot the messenger, a bit like you're trying with the FB group.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:09:18
They are still responsible as are a bunch of others as per the inquest and report into events of that day, just no one person is going to jail for it.

oh and in the new world of fake news it's Manslaughter not murder.
"Getting away with murder" is a turn of phrase, wasn't meant literally. And they did get away with it, as you rightly point out they were held to be responsible but haven't been held accountable. That's getting away with it, in anyone's book.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:11:17
So unsurprisingly you're in the all is good camp.

It says the survey is based on publically accessible data. The club have admitted things aren't as they should be and appointed someone to improve matters, which is in line with the EFL supporters charter.

 We've debated before in that charter is an obligation for 2 fans/club meetings a year, but as usual when I've pointed out it would be good idea for the club to stick to their obligation, it's shoot the messenger, a bit like you're trying with the FB group.
Unfortunately I wasn’t logged in so I’ve seen one of your posts.

The club has faults but clearly it does engage and you’ve been given plenty of examples. If you really think we are the worst club out of the 91 for engagement then you are even more negative than I’ve given you credit for.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:14:09
Again a puzzler, when I've pointed out the chronic lack of communication between club and fans, the usual suspects have called foul saying all is good. It's just me being pathetic for missing all the examples of players and staff going into local schools and working gratis.
Actually, you talked about the lack of engagement with the local community, so people pointed out examples of just such engagement. Communication is a part of engagement and I'd agree it's an area where the club could do better (although they've improved hugely over the last 6 months or so), but it's far from the whole picture. Plenty of organisations communicate without ever engaging with the communities they are supposed to serve. SBC being a shining example.

In other news, Danny Rose out helping coach some of the Academy lads last night in his own time, as he has been doing for several weeks now #JustSaying


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:22:48
Actually, you talked about the lack of engagement with the local community, so people pointed out examples of just such engagement. Communication is a part of engagement and I'd agree it's an area where the club could do better (although they've improved hugely over the last 6 months or so), but it's far from the whole picture. Plenty of organisations communicate without ever engaging with the communities they are supposed to serve. SBC being a shining example.

In other news, Danny Rose out helping coach some of the Academy lads last night in his own time, as he has been doing for several weeks now #JustSaying

The improvement is down firstly to accepting things aren't good enough, and secondly having to appoint a Supporters Liason Officer in line with the EFL charter, which also contains the commitment yet to be seen of 2 annual meetings.

Player reaching tne end of their careers often think of coaching post playing and so do gratis work with academy kids.  We recentlyhad Marc Richards playing for us while coaching Conbblers kids by way of work experience.

All EFL clubs have a Liaison Officer, it would be interesting to know where our man comes in terms of chronology.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:23:57
Another thing to mention although it is possibly unfair to blame individuals but having a head of public relations who’d lost his interest in football over the last couple of seasons hasn’t helped matters. ASD stayed at least a year longer than he should have and was just going through the motions by the end of his time with the club. The new one has shown how it should be done with some pretty good content and lots of comms on the likes of Twitter and Facebook.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:30:26
The improvement is down firstly to accepting things aren't good enough, and secondly having to appoint a Supporters Liason Officer in line with the EFL charter, which also contains the commitment yet to be seen of 2 annual meetings.
They should hold those meetings, you're right. If they did, I'm pretty sure they'd consist of you and about a dozen others (not having a pop, I'd probably be one of the others). And we'd learn the square root of fuck all from them like we used to from AGMs. But that doesn't mean you should just dismiss/ignore all the other good work they're doing in terms of genuinely engaging with the community, which is what matters far more to most fans. And no I'm not going to give you the list of all the stuff they've done this season again, go read back in all the other threads where you've moaned about "lack of engagement" and people have listed loads of examples you continue to ignore.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 28, 2019, 19:41:11
They should hold those meetings, you're right. If they did, I'm pretty sure they'd consist of you and about a dozen others (not having a pop, I'd probably be one of the others). And we'd learn the square root of fuck all from them like we used to from AGMs. But that doesn't mean you should just dismiss/ignore all the other good work they're doing in terms of genuinely engaging with the community, which is what matters far more to most fans. And no I'm not going to give you the list of all the stuff they've done this season again, go read back in all the other threads where you've moaned about "lack of engagement" and people have listed loads of examples you continue to ignore.

I've looked at the Community page on the official site...

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/news-archive/?category=136



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, November 29, 2019, 09:36:17
I've looked at the Community page on the official site...

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/news-archive/?category=136



The Exeter City one for comparison.

https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/news-archive/?category=136

They do have more options under the News section than we do.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, November 29, 2019, 09:57:35
The Exeter City one for comparison.

https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/news-archive/?category=136

They do have more options under the News section than we do.

So last season.... this is their up to date one...

https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/

I wonder if we'll have an official comment on being 92  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, November 29, 2019, 15:21:31
New Premier League CEO has apparently been sacked before he's even started. Wonder if he'll get the £5m apiece whipround like Scudamore?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 30, 2019, 06:50:28
New Premier League CEO has apparently been sacked before he's even started. Wonder if he'll get the £5m apiece whipround like Scudamore?

Not sure, VAR are just checking


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, November 30, 2019, 07:02:44
Not sure, VAR are just checking

 :rofl2:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, November 30, 2019, 12:30:51
Having a blank Saturday. .....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 3, 2019, 15:16:22
Macc players threaten strike action again.

Not looking good for them.

From yesterday, no news if it has indeed been paid yet or not.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50634040

Quote
Players at Macclesfield Town have issued an ultimatum to the club's owner that they will not train, or play on Saturday, if they are not paid wages they are owed by 18:00 GMT on Monday, BBC Sport understands.

Silkmen owner Amar Alkadhi told the BBC on Monday morning that arrangements for payments to players had been made.

A further update is expected from the League Two club on Monday afternoon.

Macclesfield are at home to Crewe Alexandra on Saturday.

The club's first team have already gone on strike over unpaid salaries this season, missing the FA Cup first-round tie at home against Kingstonian on 10 November.

The financially-stricken side lost 4-0 to the non-league outfit as the Silkmen fielded a team of youth players and loanees.

Macclesfield were subsequently charged with misconduct by the English Football League, and referred to a disciplinary panel after failing to pay their players on time.

A potential takeover of the Moss Rose club by local businessman Joe Sealey stalled last month.

Macclesfield also face another hearing for a winding-up petition on Wednesday, which was brought against the club by HM Revenue & Customs over a £180,000 unpaid tax debt.

The case has already been adjourned seven times, with club bosses telling the High Court on their most recent appearance on 20 November that the outstanding debt had been paid.

HMRC said the payment had not cleared.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 3, 2019, 15:46:18
Macc players threaten strike action again.

Not looking good for them.

From yesterday, no news if it has indeed been paid yet or not.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50634040


There is something very fishy going on as there have been a number of legitimate bids from funded people to buy the club, but the owner will not sell, FL not helping for a bloody change.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Thursday, December 5, 2019, 08:52:29
excuse the link to the sun, it was that or the daily fail, but ffs Italy.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10487020/italian-newspaper-corriere-dello-sport-race-storm-black-friday-headline-to-preview-lukaku-and-smalling-clash/



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 5, 2019, 10:09:36
excuse the link to the sun, it was that or the daily fail, but ffs Italy.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10487020/italian-newspaper-corriere-dello-sport-race-storm-black-friday-headline-to-preview-lukaku-and-smalling-clash/


Here you go, for those who'd prefer not to drive the ad revenue for that atrocious rag of a shitwipe

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/05/corriere-dello-sport-condemned-for-black-friday-front-page-with-lukaku-and-smalling


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 13:05:24
More racist abuse in English football yesterday, this time incidents at Forest Green and Man City. TBF both clubs seem to have reacted swiftly to take action against the perpetrators, (although City need to have a look at their stewards who were stood right next to the moron but took no action) but racism is steadily creeping back into the game as a broader reflection of the way it has started to become more mainstream again in wider society. Neville and Redknapp are right on this, both about the hypocrisy of the English media calling out racism in Italian and Bulgarian football while stoking racism here, and about the wider societal problem coming right from the top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjFlsVjTU7M


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 13:46:07
More racist abuse in English football yesterday, this time incidents at Forest Green and Man City. TBF both clubs seem to have reacted swiftly to take action against the perpetrators, (although City need to have a look at their stewards who were stood right next to the moron but took no action) but racism is steadily creeping back into the game as a broader reflection of the way it has started to become more mainstream again in wider society. Neville and Redknapp are right on this, both about the hypocrisy of the English media calling out racism in Italian and Bulgarian football while stoking racism here, and about the wider societal problem coming right from the top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjFlsVjTU7M
I dunno it took Forest Green 2 hours to publicly acknowledge it failing to mention the stoppage on their Twitter feed and no mention in their own match report. It’s only after about 2 hours of criticism on Twitter that they put out a statement, probably realised that they couldn’t just hide from it. This is the 3rd incident involving them in a month with one of their players abusing a disabled Plymouth fan, the alleged Cooper comments about Justin Edinburgh and now this incident of racism. They are clearly a toxic club from the very top.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 14:09:53
I dunno it took Forest Green 2 hours to publicly acknowledge it failing to mention the stoppage on their Twitter feed and no mention in their own match report. It’s only after about 2 hours of criticism on Twitter that they put out a statement, probably realised that they couldn’t just hide from it. This is the 3rd incident involving them in a month with one of their players abusing a disabled Plymouth fan, the alleged Cooper comments about Justin Edinburgh and now this incident of racism. They are clearly a toxic club from the very top.
This is a very different incident from the previous two, which involved staff, this is one fan. We had 30-40 fans singing "Tommy Robinson" songs at away games last season, no statement from the club about that at all. Are we toxic? Don't think you can condemn an entire club on the basis of one idiot. If they had repeated instances of racism and did nothing about it, then you might have a point, but I think you're just jumping on a bit of a bandwagon there. The incidents at FGR, Man City, Yeovil and Southend earlier in the season are part of a pattern of racism in England, and so English football, rather than a problem specific to FGR


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 14:47:53
This is a very different incident from the previous two, which involved staff, this is one fan. We had 30-40 fans singing "Tommy Robinson" songs at away games last season, no statement from the club about that at all. Are we toxic? Don't think you can condemn an entire club on the basis of one idiot. If they had repeated instances of racism and did nothing about it, then you might have a point, but I think you're just jumping on a bit of a bandwagon there. The incidents at FGR, Man City, Yeovil and Southend earlier in the season are part of a pattern of racism in England, and so English football, rather than a problem specific to FGR
Highlights a trend doesn’t it, poor behaviour by staff at the club showing that disabled and the dead aren’t off limits and all of sudden fans follow suit with this. I don’t believe in coincidences and this has all happened within a month of each other. Vince has long pedalled the ‘rest of football versus us’ agenda so fans crossing the line is an inevitability.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 18:20:52
Highlights a trend doesn’t it, poor behaviour by staff at the club showing that disabled and the dead aren’t off limits and all of sudden fans follow suit with this. I don’t believe in coincidences and this has all happened within a month of each other. Vince has long pedalled the ‘rest of football versus us’ agenda so fans crossing the line is an inevitability.
No I think it follows a pattern in society rather than at the club. It's not "fans", it's one fan and it's not like there has been a sustained outbreak of racism at FGR across a period of weeks. It's one fan in one game. We apparently had 30-odd knuckledraggers singing "Tommy Robinson" songs repeatedly at away games last season, so more than one fan, across a sustained period. Does that make us "toxic"?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 18:37:37
No I think it follows a pattern in society rather than at the club. It's not "fans", it's one fan and it's not like there has been a sustained outbreak of racism at FGR across a period of weeks. It's one fan in one game. We apparently had 30-odd knuckledraggers singing "Tommy Robinson" songs repeatedly at away games last season, so more than one fan, across a sustained period. Does that make us "toxic"?
We do have a toxic element yes, the tommy Robinson lot have been told to shut up on a number of occasions by a number one of fans. But I still maintain that if you have the hierarchy of the club and players acting like a bunch of cunts the knuckle draggers will follow suit. These 3 incidents happening within the same month isn't just a coincidence in my opinion.

But back on point they didn't mention it anywhere for 2 hours including completely glossing over it in their match feed and report just saying 'after the referee spoke to both dugouts Scunthorpe scored'. Man City had a statement out within 10 minutes, considering the game was stopped at Forest Green due to incident to not mention it for 2 hours is pretty poor.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 18:44:59
You don't get this type of behaviour in rugby union ...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 8, 2019, 19:12:25
We do have a toxic element yes, the tommy Robinson lot have been told to shut up on a number of occasions by a number one of fans. But I still maintain that if you have the hierarchy of the club and players acting like a bunch of cunts the knuckle draggers will follow suit. These 3 incidents happening within the same month isn't just a coincidence in my opinion.

But back on point they didn't mention it anywhere for 2 hours including completely glossing over it in their match feed and report just saying 'after the referee spoke to both dugouts Scunthorpe scored'. Man City had a statement out within 10 minutes, considering the game was stopped at Forest Green due to incident to not mention it for 2 hours is pretty poor.
Don't think it's really very fair to compare FGR's media dept (one bloke with a laptop, I'd imagine) with the PR machine Man City can bring to bear. I'll come back to my initial point. It's one fan, on one occasion who was condemned fairly promptly by the club. Don't think that says anything at all about the club. The pattern, as I say, is not with FGR, it is a pattern of behaviour that has started to re-emerge across English football. Trying to tie it into some kind of petty vendetta against FGR/Mark Cooper misses the wider picture. I'm with Gary Neville on this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 09:47:22
Fleetwood's chairman threatening fans with losing their club if Labour win. He's a Blackpool fan anway so maybe just starting to make his excuses?

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/1204700217704095744?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 11:05:04
Fleetwood's chairman threatening fans with losing their club if Labour win. He's a Blackpool fan anway so maybe just starting to make his excuses?

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/1204700217704095744?s=20

How frightfully Victorian.

Be interesting what the FL's response is to this, silence I suspect!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 11, 2019, 21:22:45
Fleetwood's chairman threatening fans with losing their club if Labour win. He's a Blackpool fan anway so maybe just starting to make his excuses?

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/1204700217704095744?s=20
There's a Rugby club in Cornwall doing the same, but there it's based around a fake threat that they won't get the govt grant for their new stadium if Labour get in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 12, 2019, 10:01:12
There's a Rugby club in Cornwall doing the same, but there it's based around a fake threat that they won't get the govt grant for their new stadium if Labour get in
In terms of Fleetwood, the thing is considerably more people in that constituency support Blackpool or Preston than Fleetwood, so he is basically saying vote Labour and close down your rivals.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 12, 2019, 12:08:25
In terms of Fleetwood, the thing is considerably more people in that constituency support Blackpool or Preston than Fleetwood, so he is basically saying vote Labour and close down your rivals.
Ah, OK, that's a bit stupid then isn't it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, December 12, 2019, 16:54:44
How frightfully Victorian.

Be interesting what the FL's response is to this, silence I suspect!

Disgraceful telling citizens who to vote for ref self interest.

I suppose the owner of a flag factory would of wanted the Nazis to invade.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 13, 2019, 07:00:04
Ah, OK, that's a bit stupid then isn't it?
And Cat Smith holds for Labour,  see yer Fleetwood.

Sent from my SM-J330FN


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 16, 2019, 10:27:06
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50801923

Seems that calling someone a Nazi is possibly a worse offence than making monkey noises?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, December 16, 2019, 23:06:50
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50801923

Seems that calling someone a Nazi is possibly a worse offence than making monkey noises?

On that subject. Has anyone seen The Serie A no to racism campaign? yiu couldn’t make it up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 07:40:34
On that subject. Has anyone seen The Serie A no to racism campaign? yiu couldn’t make it up.

I just came here to post it. It’s so completely and utterly insane it’s amusing. Speechless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50814275


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 08:05:43
I just came here to post it. It’s so completely and utterly insane it’s amusing. Speechless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50814275


It makes sense, and I can see what they are trying to say. But they have completely overlooked other connotations into it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 09:39:17
It makes sense, and I can see what they are trying to say. But they have completely overlooked other connotations into it.

I get where you're coming from, but it's the whole, "hey, we're monkeys too" message. ::)

And as you say, it's myopic - laughably so imo. I personally think it's an insult and reductionist to be honest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 18:56:24
I see Neil Shipperley has been convicted of tossing himself off in full sight of a mother and her 16 year old daughter.

I reckon his brief could have thought a bit more about the statement

She explained: "Everything came to a crescendo on the day in question. This was, he thinks on reflection, a cry for help."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 19:15:56
I see Neil Shipperley has been convicted of tossing himself off in full sight of a mother and her 16 year old daughter.

I reckon his brief could have thought a bit more about the statement

She explained: "Everything came to a crescendo on the day in question. This was, he thinks on reflection, a cry for help."
I think we all saw that one coming.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 19:41:45
One can only wonder why he pulled that off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 20:10:29
He must be looking at a fairly stiff sentence  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 20:20:17
It won't stand up in court


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 07:41:45
I think we all saw that one coming.

So did the mother and daughter sadly.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:32:50
Brings "toss it in the van" to a whole new meaning.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 26, 2019, 19:22:12
8pm kick off on Boxing Day


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: woolster on Thursday, December 26, 2019, 23:05:40
8pm kick off on Boxing Day
this kick off time saved the day, the Christmas TV offering as usual is appalling :zzz:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 27, 2019, 07:00:03
What a fucking scumbag

https://mobile.twitter.com/CasualMind_/status/1210275350086848512


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 27, 2019, 09:55:00
Shithead.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 27, 2019, 10:25:57
What a fucking scumbag

https://mobile.twitter.com/CasualMind_/status/1210275350086848512
No other words, what a fucking cunt, I hope he gets locked away.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 27, 2019, 11:35:17
I will just leave this here....
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvPs0rkm/80807256-10156959355201569-541273373737484288-n.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, January 5, 2020, 17:19:29
Some of Liverpool's squad numbers...number 70 FFS!!!  :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 6, 2020, 09:20:05
Some of Liverpool's squad numbers...number 70 FFS!!!  :doh:

They have that much apparent depth it seems to warrant it though!

Whoever is running their academy is doing a bloody great job.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 6, 2020, 10:04:11
They have that much apparent depth it seems to warrant it though!

Whoever is running their academy is doing a bloody great job.

They are a Premier League club that are taking part in 5 competitions. Its hardly surprising that they have such a large squad of players.

Agree Horlock about your comment about the academy, some of those players yesterday didn't look out of place at all. Yes Everton were hopeless but in the second half they absolutely schooled them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 6, 2020, 10:23:13
They are a Premier League club that are taking part in 5 competitions. Its hardly surprising that they have such a large squad of players.

Agree Horlock about your comment about the academy, some of those players yesterday didn't look out of place at all. Yes Everton were hopeless but in the second half they absolutely schooled them.

I notice its Alex Inglethorpe running their academy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, January 6, 2020, 10:26:40
They have that much apparent depth it seems to warrant it though!

Whoever is running their academy is doing a bloody great job.
That's true of course - Just doesn't look right though, it's not the bleedin' NFL  :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, January 6, 2020, 11:58:39
Some of Liverpool's squad numbers...number 70 FFS!!!  :doh:
Pretty sure it was Antonio Cassano who wore 99.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 6, 2020, 11:59:45
Pretty sure it was Antonio Cassano who wore 99.
Bit flakey?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 6, 2020, 12:01:00
Bit flakey?

Naa I've seen hundreds and thousands wear that. Maybe you're going nuts. Juice n bits?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 6, 2020, 12:19:29
Think Zamaorano had the best approach to losing his 9....

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/eb/35/f0eb356ec0abbcca009a52480c8e84fd.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 10:53:42
Since Abramovich arrived, Chelsea have spent over £110m just on sacking managers

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1214497238480764928


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 11:05:29
Since Abramovich arrived, Chelsea have spent over £110m just on sacking managers

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1214497238480764928
Just Wow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 11:30:46
Since Abramovich arrived, Chelsea have spent over £110m just on sacking managers

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1214497238480764928

But when you are worth that sort of cash its just like a couple of grand for us mere mortals.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 11:45:52
Since Abramovich arrived, Chelsea have spent over £110m just on sacking managers

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1214497238480764928

Roughly 7m per trophy!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 13:00:03
Southend not paying wages on time now.

Sent from my Mi A1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 13:01:56
They have a long history of not paying HMRC on time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 13:08:53
They have a long history of not paying HMRC on time.
Happened at least 6 times in the last couple of years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 13:17:26
In terms of Swindon, it's been a long time since Town had that bit of unwanted news in the press.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 13:40:43
Except when it's us it's "soapy tit wank @ swindle goin bust soapy tit wank". When it's everyone else it's "How have the FL allowed this to happen?".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 11:54:12
The Spanish Supercopa is being played in Saudi Arabia. FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jan/08/supercopa-saudi-arabia-short-shrift-fans-spain-jeddah-barcelona-valencia


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 12:00:13
The Spanish Supercopa is being played in Saudi Arabia. FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jan/08/supercopa-saudi-arabia-short-shrift-fans-spain-jeddah-barcelona-valencia
I read that At. Madrid have only sold 50 tickets for their SF game. And rightly so. Fans taking a stand

If this was a EPL tournament, fans would be out there in their thousands.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 12:09:20
I read that At. Madrid have only sold 50 tickets for their SF game. And rightly so. Fans taking a stand

If this was a EPL tournament, fans would be out there in their thousands.

Spanish fans notoriously don't travel, even to away games in Spain.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 12:13:05
The Spanish Supercopa is being played in Saudi Arabia. FFS

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jan/08/supercopa-saudi-arabia-short-shrift-fans-spain-jeddah-barcelona-valencia

"Valencia insisted that as cup winners they should automatically play the final and threatened legal action over the fact that they were due to receive €3m, compared with the €8m each promised to Madrid, Barcelona and Atlético. The money was adjusted to €6m for Barcelona and Madrid, €3m for Atlético and €2m for Valencia, with a further €1m for each of the finalists."

"Hey, that's not fair!"
"Okay, we'll give everyone less and you an ever smaller percentage of what the top teams earn."
"Deal!"

I know that's not the important takeaway from this story, and for some reason it surprised me the most.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 12:49:32
FFS FA
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51028507


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 13:08:18
FFS FA
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51028507

This isn't new is it, I recall watching a Swindon game in this very way previously.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 16:07:34
If anyone is in any doubt as to Salford spending powers...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51031407



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 19:03:22
Not looking for a new manager are they?

This is the type of thing that Lansdown does at Bristol City when they need to cover debts or ship in another player. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 10:56:39
Coventry playing at "home" to Birmingham in the FA Cup 4th round.

Quote
Speaking about the prospect... Pep Clotet said: “I have been in professional football 20 years and I have never played away at home. It’s a little bit weird.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 16, 2020, 10:57:00
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvNRTKX4/82915494-1008713382837816-2833661590442606592-n.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:01:46
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvNRTKX4/82915494-1008713382837816-2833661590442606592-n.jpg)

Just sent that to a Villa supporting work colleague.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:02:39
Just sent that to a Villa supporting work colleague.
I got it from a Birmingham supporting mate, unsurprisingly!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:24:57
I know a lot of you will think this belongs in the "What's right" thread, but irrational hatred of Bournemouth aside, this is just one example, suspect there are many more. This kind of spending is just unsustainable

"Premier League survival is vital. During the 2017-18 season, it was revealed that 89 per cent of the club’s revenue came from the top-flight television deal. And of the £119 million they received in TV money that season, £102 million was spent on wages. Bournemouth have placed salary-reducing relegation clauses in players’ contracts, thought to be around 25 per cent, but the financial impact of dropping back down to the Championship would still be seismic.

“If we got relegated, I dread to think what would happen to this football club,” said one source. “OK, you’d have the parachute payments, but there’s no money coming in, there’s a big wage bill and after five years in the Premier League, what do we really have to show for it?”"

Taken from https://theathletic.com/1517096/2020/01/16/crisis-bournemouth-howe-ibe-solanke/ (quoted the bits above in case you can't get to it as it's behind a paywall, albeit with some initial free access so you might)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:42:29
I know a lot of you will think this belongs in the "What's right" thread, but irrational hatred of Bournemouth aside, this is just one example, suspect there are many more. This kind of spending is just unsustainable

"Premier League survival is vital. During the 2017-18 season, it was revealed that 89 per cent of the club’s revenue came from the top-flight television deal. And of the £119 million they received in TV money that season, £102 million was spent on wages. Bournemouth have placed salary-reducing relegation clauses in players’ contracts, thought to be around 25 per cent, but the financial impact of dropping back down to the Championship would still be seismic.

“If we got relegated, I dread to think what would happen to this football club,” said one source. “OK, you’d have the parachute payments, but there’s no money coming in, there’s a big wage bill and after five years in the Premier League, what do we really have to show for it?”"

Taken from https://theathletic.com/1517096/2020/01/16/crisis-bournemouth-howe-ibe-solanke/ (quoted the bits above in case you can't get to it as it's behind a paywall, albeit with some initial free access so you might)

This was discussed on the Guardian podcast today. They have a small stadium as well so they are literally relying on the Premiership cash. I can see them becoming a Bolton in a few years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:52:02
This was discussed on the Guardian podcast today. They have a small stadium as well so they are literally relying on the Premiership cash. I can see them becoming a Bolton in a few years.

I didn't realise that Dean Court is a fair bit smaller than our hovel, I imagine if they do drop it won't last long, isn't much of the Russian money in the way of loans at high interest, not sure what the owner hopes to gain from his ownership, he is hardly high profile?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:58:13
I didn't realise that Dean Court is a fair bit smaller than our hovel, I imagine if they do drop it won't last long, isn't much of the Russian money in the way of loans at high interest, not sure what the owner hopes to gain from his ownership, he is hardly high profile?

money laundering probably. *allegedly*


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, January 17, 2020, 13:59:14
This was discussed on the Guardian podcast today. They have a small stadium as well so they are literally relying on the Premiership cash. I can see them becoming a Bolton in a few years.
Not one to wish this on any club.  (Except Bournemouth).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:03:49
Can’t happen soon enough.

Get them begging bowls dusted off - I’ll gob in them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:10:01
I know there is a lot of hatred, from myself amongst many, of Bournemouth.  You may call it irrational.  But this is precisely why I have the hatred.  They went under, fucked by shit owners.  They went into admin.  I know we're not innocent of this sort of shit but every time people go into admin, local people suffer, local businesses, small businesses.  And then you watch as another unsustainable model is persued and sky etc proclaim fairly tale.

There will be no sympathy from me and they can stick their begging buckets up their arse.  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:14:00
I know there is a lot of hatred, from myself amongst many, of Bournemouth.  You may call it irrational.  But this is precisely why I have the hatred.  They went under, fucked by shit owners.  They went into admin.  I know we're not innocent of this sort of shit but every time people go into admin, local people suffer, local businesses, small businesses.  And then you watch as another unsustainable model is persued and sky etc proclaim fairly tale.
You could have written every single word of that about us under Diamandis and then the spending splurge under Black/Di Canio. I assume you hate Swindon Town with every bit as much passion as you hate Bournemouth?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:25:22
Note the bit where I said 'I know we're not innocent of this sort of shit'.  And Im not sure where you are reading my 'passion'.  I generally think my hatred is quite dispassionate.

No I dont hate Swindon as much as I hate Bournemouth.  There is a difference.  For one I am a Swindon fan so I can be hypocritical.  Football fans, in fact people in general are.  Bang to rights there.

I was uncomfortable about the situation under DiCanio / Black for many reasons.  But then it stopped.  I honestly don't know what my feelings would have been if we had continued and got up the league in the same way AFCB have done so.  I don't know how far my hypocrisy goes.  But watching the last few years of 'aren't bournemouth an amazing fairytale' in the media really doesn't encourage me to feel anything positive towards them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:33:14
I don't hate clubs because of their owners. Fans of any club are helpless victims in the money games. There's a lot of hypocrisy around this stuff - how many of us would have complained at that sort of money being poured into our club? But I bet that many Muff fans have been nervous about the day the plug is pulled - a club that size is never going to be autonomously stable in the Prem.

Doesn't this sort of sniping just reek of envy and subsequently schadenfreude? Though I guess those themes have been given full rein in the UK these days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:34:04
Note the bit where I said 'I know we're not innocent of this sort of shit'.  And Im not sure where you are reading my 'passion'.  I generally think my hatred is quite dispassionate.
I did note that, but nonetheless thought it odd, especially given your stated rationale was a good one i.e. the effect on local businesses etc. We royally fucked over local businesses and taxpayers, not once but twice. And I don't see how hatred can ever be anything but passionate tbh. Otherwise, it's just a strong dislike, but I suspect that's just semantics :)

I was uncomfortable about the situation under DiCanio / Black for many reasons.  But then it stopped.  I honestly don't know what my feelings would have been if we had continued and got up the league in the same way AFCB have done so.  I don't know how far my hypocrisy goes.  But watching the last few years of 'aren't bournemouth an amazing fairytale' in the media really doesn't encourage me to feel anything positive towards them.
Fair enough. Agree about the "fairytale" stuff, but that just makes me dislike the lazy pundits rather than Bournemouth


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:34:23
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

The reason I detest Bournemouth is the hypocrisy. When we overspend, we're cheating. When they do it (to a far greater extent), it's a fairytale. There's some other clubs and individuals that I dislike for the same reason.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:36:11
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

The reason I detest Bournemouth is the hypocrisy. When we overspend, we're cheating. When they do it (to a far greater extent), it's a fairytale. There's some other clubs and individuals that I dislike for the same reason.
Exactly, Bristol City for instance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:37:31
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

The reason I detest Bournemouth is the hypocrisy. When we overspend, we're cheating. When they do it (to a far greater extent), it's a fairytale. There's some other clubs and individuals that I dislike for the same reason.
That's bizarre - the "cheating" comments are from fans of rival clubs, the "fairytale" shit (which I agree is bollocks) is from lazy pundits. It's not even the same people being "hypocritical",  much less Bournemouth who are the object of your hatred. And if it's hypocrisy you're after, we're every bit of guilty of the boom/bust economics as Bournemouth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:38:46
It's as if the problem isn't really Bournemouth, but hypocrisy. There's enough to go round for everyone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:39:54
And Chris Wilder.

He moaned about us 'cheating' during the PDC season in this league. It later transpired that Oxford were overspending by more than we were.

And Brentford, in the same season. Again, overspending by more and with considerably larger debts. Yet, again --- we were the cheats. But not them, for some reason.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:43:08
And if it's hypocrisy you're after, we're every bit of guilty of the boom/bust economics as Bournemouth.

I think you've missed the point.

I know we have been just as guilty in the past, and I have not said otherwise. And I acknowledge that was wrong of us. Even when things were going well under PDC I said I doubt it would be sustainable if we get to the Championship. I think that ALL teams should be made to operate within their means. Us included.

But why is it that when we do it, it's cheating (which is a fair call), but the same does not apply to others?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:44:18
Surely half the fun of being a football fan is taking delight in the demise of whomever it is you happen to dislike.

It doesn’t have to be rational at all. Some things - such as my intense dislike of Watford - are entirely personal.

I was quite looking forward to RB Swindon - until Tactics Tim turned up!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:44:44
That's bizarre - the "cheating" comments are from fans of rival clubs, the "fairytale" shit (which I agree is bollocks) is from lazy pundits. It's not even the same people being "hypocritical",  much less Bournemouth who are the object of your hatred. And if it's hypocrisy you're after, we're every bit of guilty of the boom/bust economics as Bournemouth.
I have to do disagree on that, I read other teams forums and I can say for certain that some posters on the Bristol City forum OTIB were calling us cheats a few years ago for our over spending, yet then say how great it is to be backed by Lansdown who will put in whatever it takes to get them to the top.

Thats utter hypocricy.

They are also the same ones who said we were saying we had won the league in October after we beat them in their promotion season when in actual fact the only people saying we were celebrating "like we won the league" were City fans, no Swindon fan ever said that yet were accused of it.

Some Bournemouth fans too can have that levelled at them on their forum, saying we were massively over spending then actually love it when they do it themselves.

And yes of course we are almost as guilty of that at times, but its certainly not just pundits that say that about the "dream".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:46:21

Doesn't this sort of sniping just reek of envy and subsequently schadenfreude? Though I guess those themes have been given full rein in the UK these days.

I must confess I have a wry smile at the griping about Salford, if we had owners prepared to do the same we would be lapping it up!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:47:09
I think people are being a bit one-eyed. We notice when fans of other clubs call us cheats, while we call other clubs cheats. What goes around comes around.

Beyond a bit of gentle teasing, I'm not big into football rivalries. Haters gonna hate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:47:48
I think you've missed the point.

I know we have been just as guilty in the past, and I have not said otherwise. Even when things were going well under PDC I said I doubt it would be sustainable if we get to the Championship. I think that ALL teams should be made to operate within their means. Us included.

But why is it that when we do it, it's cheating (which is a fair call), but the same does not apply to others?
I can see why that irritates but aside from Chris Wilder and Brentford, examples I wasn't aware of tbf, the accusations of cheating have largely been levelled by rival fans. And I don't think they've then described Bournemouth as a "fairytale" which was your objection. Either way, hating those fans or Chris Wilder or Brentford for having a go at us and not having a go at Bournemouth might make some kind of sense. But hating Bournemouth who as far as I know haven't had a go at us for our unsustainable overspending because other people aren't having a go at them just seems a bit odd. You're normally quite a rational person, this seems strangely irrational


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 14:57:17
I can see why that irritates but aside from Chris Wilder and Brentford, examples I wasn't aware of tbf, the accusations of cheating have largely been levelled by rival fans.

And that also irritates me. Again - it's the hypocrisy.

And I don't think they've then described Bournemouth as a "fairytale" which was your objection.

I didn't say they did. It was the press that do that.

Either way, hating those fans or Chris Wilder or Brentford for having a go at us and not having a go at Bournemouth might make some kind of sense.

NNgghh. That's not what I said either.

But hating Bournemouth who as far as I know haven't had a go at us for our unsustainable overspending because other people aren't having a go at them just seems a bit odd.

But they have done. In the past. They've even been out with the collection buckets before or after criticising us. And now, here they are, a fairytale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 15:03:22
I didn't say it's only Bournemouth's fault, and there are other elements (press etc) contributing to it.

But they, for me, symbolise the whole problem. In addition to a fair whack of personal dislike.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, January 17, 2020, 15:05:42
I can see why that irritates but aside from Chris Wilder and Brentford, examples I wasn't aware of tbf, the accusations of cheating have largely been levelled by rival fans. And I don't think they've then described Bournemouth as a "fairytale" which was your objection. Either way, hating those fans or Chris Wilder or Brentford for having a go at us and not having a go at Bournemouth might make some kind of sense. But hating Bournemouth who as far as I know haven't had a go at us for our unsustainable overspending because other people aren't having a go at them just seems a bit odd. You're normally quite a rational person, this seems strangely irrational
Surely not everything you dislike/hate in life is rational?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 17, 2020, 15:13:04
I don't mind wilder, as ex scum goes.

in that he left them under pressure from fans and it's completely obvious they were holding him back.

no wait, scum cunt.. that's better


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 17, 2020, 15:25:21
On a slight tangent, not entirely unrelated.

Should Bournemouth (hopefully) end up going down and, ultimately, end up dropping into non-league or whatever - nothing would happen. The Linekers' of the world would say next to nothing. They'd be too busy focusing on the next new 'fairytale'. I suppose that's not their job, but...

The PL/FL/FA wouldn't do anything either. Bournemouth would just be forgotten and a string of new owners will continue buying up clubs to do the same thing at the risk of putting those clubs out of existence altogether.

Should it happen to a big club like Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, however... THEN it would be time to do something. As though all those clubs that suffered before meant nothing.

And that pisses me off also. And Bournemouth are symbolic of that. (And I do also have a personal dislike of them)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 17, 2020, 15:33:17
Surely not everything you dislike/hate in life is rational?
Oh God no, absolutely not. But FH usually is so rational, and stands and falls on it, it kind of surprised me a bit was all. But yes he's perfectly entitled to be as irrational as the rest of us if he wants!

I didn't say they did. It was the press that do that.
I know, that was my point. One group of people can't be hypocrites because another group of people take a contradictory stance to theirs. That
That's just bizarre.
On a slight tangent, not entirely unrelated.

Should Bournemouth (hopefully) end up going down and, ultimately, end up dropping into non-league or whatever - nothing would happen. The Linekers' of the world would say next to nothing. They'd be too busy focusing on the next new 'fairytale'. I suppose that's not their job, but...

The PL/FL/FA wouldn't do anything either. Bournemouth would just be forgotten and a string of new owners will continue buying up clubs to do the same thing at the risk of putting those clubs out of existence altogether.

Should it happen to a big club like Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, however... THEN it would be time to do something. As though all those clubs that suffered before meant nothing.
This, on the other hand, is absolutely spot on and symptomatic of much that is wrong with what laughably passes for "governance in football".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 11:16:35
I don't mind wilder, as ex scum goes.

in that he left them under pressure from fans and it's completely obvious they were holding him back.

no wait, scum cunt.. that's better

I quite like him, breath of fresh air in the Prem.

As for Bournemouth, they deserve to go under just for spending £20m on Dominic Solanke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 18:15:06
I think our scenario under Black was different to Bournemouth in Black and Co put money into the club for the best part of 6 years to clear the old debt and stabilise the club. Black was signing the cheques until end of 2012 and wrote off a large chunk of the loans he funded.

Bournemouth went from a supporters trust run club after their begging bowl days to borrowing £30 off the Russian based in Sandbanks. They saw a gap in a relatively weak Championship for a couple of years and got up before FFP rules kicked in.

Others like QPR and Leicester did similar but now the EFL are going after the clubs overspending. They don't care if like a Bristol City it is funded by owners putting in equity rather than loans. City have st least spent a fortune but a lot of that is on the stadium etc.

Bournemouth pulled any ground plans in the last year and all their income is going to staying in the PL. You just need one bad season or even an injury run and it all comes crashing down. What are Bournemouth going to show for their PL fairytale?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 18:53:23
Bournemouth have relatively little income apart from the TV cash - and almost all of that goes on wages.

Lose that, even with parachute payments, and they’ll tumble down the leagues - maybe even worse than that.

Good to see they lost again today.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 18:56:04
Nothing should take away from what Eddie Howe has done there.  People like to knock his achievements as it seems a popular thing to do. He’s done a great job, spent a few quid yes but who hasn’t in the top 2 leagues.

Yes I find the Bournemouth hatred (jealousy) odd but then I hate some other teams for no logical reason


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 19:13:46
Nothing should take away from what Eddie Howe has done there.  People like to knock his achievements as it seems a popular thing to do. He’s done a great job, spent a few quid yes but who hasn’t in the top 2 leagues.

Yes I find the Bournemouth hatred (jealousy) odd but then I hate some other teams for no logical reason
A TEF tradition is the bitterness towards Bournemouth and Eddie Howe.....fair play to them I say, what we would have given to swap places with them over the past few seasons.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 19:54:54
That's bizarre - the "cheating" comments are from fans of rival clubs, the "fairytale" shit (which I agree is bollocks) is from lazy pundits. It's not even the same people being "hypocritical",  much less Bournemouth who are the object of your hatred. And if it's hypocrisy you're after, we're every bit of guilty of the boom/bust economics as Bournemouth.
Sure, but we paid the price,  they bribed their way out of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 21:02:56
Matt Ritchie is one of the main reasons for dislike. one of Swindons most likeable players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, January 18, 2020, 21:30:55
Not really,   it's the financial matters that they were involved in which turned out later to be much worse than ours but they got away with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 07:57:10
Wasn't it Bournemouth players who flashed cash out of their bus during a fan protest outside the Arkells in the orange hat days?

Possibly Brighton tbf.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 09:23:29
It was Brighton players and when Brighton fans found out about it they acted by making sure the squad were informed of the recent history of Brighton. I was at with dean that night and understand the bitterness towards Albion. But there is a very large core of Brighton fans that are as decent as you get. Don’t forget quite a large number joined in our orange hat protest and offered advice in dealing with diamandis and co


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 09:53:56
I thought the Bournemouth hate* stemmed from them doing a collection outside the CG when they were on the verge of collapse, and then some of them laughed when they got Ritchie for a snip. It's not as if it was the same fans that were trying to save their club, so I don't get it personally, but I don't expect anyone to be rational about their feelings for other clubs. I still hate Bolton.

I was at the Withdean for the play-off semi too. Don't get that one either. Because they came on the pitch and took the piss? Didn't some of ours do that against Sheffield United? I think it was such a horrible loss that people took it to heart more. I was more pissed off that one of ours was crying at the end. Lifetime ban in my book!

*Aside from the 'fairytale' stuff, I get that but that's not Bournemouth specific and I think it goes deeper than that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TownEnder on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 11:58:26
I thought the Bournemouth hate* stemmed from them doing a collection outside the CG when they were on the verge of collapse, and then some of them laughed when they got Ritchie for a snip.
As stated before, its nothing to do with Ritchie, they commited fraud in the same way as we did, but they got away with it.
Statement rom 5th July 2018.

Bournemouth pay £4.75m to settle Financial Fair Play dispute

Eddie Howe celebrates Bournemouth winning the 2014-15 Championship
Manager Eddie Howe led Bournemouth to the Championship title in 2015 and they have been in the Premier League ever since
Bournemouth will pay £4.75m to the Football League to settle a Financial Fair Play (FFP) dispute, arising from their promotion to the Premier League in the 2014-15 season.

The Cherries had originally expected to be fined £7.6m after accruing huge losses as they won the Championship.

But they now have settled on a lower figure.

The EFL said the club "did not make any deliberate attempt to infringe the rules or to deceive".

No ?????????,   Nor did we then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 12:04:27
I don't like them and I'm glad they're struggling. Even their crest is shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 13:49:47
I don't like them and I'm glad they're struggling. Even their crest is shit.

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Sunday, January 19, 2020, 20:08:26
It was Brighton players and when Brighton fans found out about it they acted by making sure the squad were informed of the recent history of Brighton. I was at with dean that night and understand the bitterness towards Albion. But there is a very large core of Brighton fans that are as decent as you get. Don’t forget quite a large number joined in our orange hat protest and offered advice in dealing with diamandis and co

OK but I still hate Bournemouth for it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, January 20, 2020, 03:03:04
If the black-wray-dicanio episode had continued up the leagues for two or three more years then we'd have absolutely been seen as a fairy tale club the same way sky talk about bournemouth. Its all bolloks innit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, January 20, 2020, 09:54:03
If the black-wray-dicanio episode had continued up the leagues for two or three more years then we'd have absolutely been seen as a fairy tale club the same way sky talk about bournemouth. Its all bolloks innit
Yep, if Black hadn't pulled out I'm sure we would have ended up in the PL within a couple of years like Bournemouth and - like Bournemouth -  would have been fucked when the almost inevitable relegation followed...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 20, 2020, 09:58:57
Not sure Black was rich enough to fund a Championship promotion push tbh. The clubs up there spend a ridiculous amount


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, January 20, 2020, 10:04:04
Not sure Black was rich enough to fund a Championship promotion push tbh. The clubs up there spend a ridiculous amount
Possibly not - I suppose I was meaning IF the investment had continued at the rate at which it was going. If we had gone up to the Championship maybe that bloke who lives up near Henly whose name totally escapes me, might have bunged in a few quid...all hypothetical now of course...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, January 20, 2020, 10:06:33
I said at the time that we would not be able to sustain it in the Championship. Black wasn't so rich that he could comfortably spaff tens of millions up the wall every season. He may have been able to do enough to keep us there, though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 23, 2020, 10:15:32
Another historic paedo case, this time involving the former Watford physio, some unpleasant hints around the edges of the club and Graham Taylor turning a blind eye:

https://theathletic.co.uk/1547288/2020/01/22/phil-edwards-watford-sexual-abuse/

https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/18179412.ex-watford-fc-physio-phil-edwards-alleged-victims-come-forward/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:11:33
Klopp won’t even bother turning up to their replay with Shrewsbury, he’s fitting right in at Liverpool. Always the victims...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/51256760


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:19:03
Oh, so they're having a winter break of sorts - first I've heard of it. Shows how out of touch I am with the PL theses days  ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:25:29
Klopp won’t even bother turning up to their replay with Shrewsbury, he’s fitting right in at Liverpool. Always the victims...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/51256760
Very disappointing and disrespectful to Shrewsbury and the FA cup itself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:25:47
Oh, so they're having a winter break of sorts - first I've heard of it. Shows how out of touch I am with the PL theses days  ???
If it was a pointless exhibition in the Far East you know he’d be there...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Richie Wellen-Dowd on Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:26:44
Oh, so they're having a winter break of sorts - first I've heard of it. Shows how out of touch I am with the PL theses days  ???

You're not alone. I thought Klopp was being sarcastic when I read it this morning.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:29:36
Klopp won’t even bother turning up to their replay with Shrewsbury, he’s fitting right in at Liverpool. Always the victims...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/51256760

If he'd have played the first team yesterday instead of the kids then they almost certainly wouldn't have required a replay anyway. I also hadn't realised there was a 2 week break so surely even less excuse not to play his first team when they have a break coming up (yes I realise there is a risk of injuries etc but they have a big enough squad anyhow)

Premier league sides have nothing to moan about, the pampered overpaid luvvies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 27, 2020, 10:52:55
If he'd have played the first team yesterday instead of the kids then they almost certainly wouldn't have required a replay anyway. I also hadn't realised there was a 2 week break so surely even less excuse not to play his first team when they have a break coming up (yes I realise there is a risk of injuries etc but they have a big enough squad anyhow)

Premier league sides have nothing to moan about, the pampered overpaid luvvies.
Appalling arrogance by Klopp/Liverpool. Hope Shrewsbury stuff them at Anfield and the FA sanction them for disrespecting the competition.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 27, 2020, 10:57:36
Liverpool can pick whatever team they want, and have whoever they want on the sidelines (within competition laws).

It's such a non-story. There's so much wrong with football. A PL club using their kids in a FA Cup tie that they'll still win is not that big of a deal. No one gave it a second glance when they did this for EFL Cup against Villa.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:02:38
Liverpool can pick whatever team they want, and have whoever they want on the sidelines (within competition laws).

It's such a non-story. There's so much wrong with football. A PL club using their kids in a FA Cup tie that they'll still win is not that big of a deal. No one gave it a second glance when they did this for EFL Cup against Villa.
If we did this in the EFL Trophy we’d have the book thrown at us, imagine what the EFL would do if Wellens just said I’m not going to bother to turn up to a match...

They moan about this yet want B teams or u23 teams just arrogance in the extreme!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:05:42
Liverpool can pick whatever team they want, and have whoever they want on the sidelines (within competition laws).

It's such a non-story. There's so much wrong with football. A PL club using their kids in a FA Cup tie that they'll still win is not that big of a deal. No one gave it a second glance when they did this for EFL Cup against Villa.
That was out of necessity though as it clashed with the Club Word Cup. Given Klopp's already sulked about having replays at all, this is just petulance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:08:16
Its not going to be too long before the league cup gets scrapped as well as FA Cup replays. The League Cup in France has just been axed and I think other countries have followed suit.

I do of course understand why they are doing this - the amount of football being played nowadays is greater than ever. But FA Cup replays are the lifeblood of the smaller teams. Shrewsbury are going to make a million quid from their replay at Anfield, that money is crucial for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:09:16
If we did this in the EFL Trophy we’d have the book thrown at us, imagine what the EFL would do if Wellens just said I’m not going to bother to turn up to a match...

If it's within the rules, they have the right to pick whoever they want, and have whoever they want in the dugout. It's that simple. It's a messy road to go down when you want to start dictating who should and shouldn't play, as the mega fuckup of the EFL Trophy has shown.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:09:30
Liverpool can pick whatever team they want, and have whoever they want on the sidelines (within competition laws).

It's such a non-story. There's so much wrong with football. A PL club using their kids in a FA Cup tie that they'll still win is not that big of a deal. No one gave it a second glance when they did this for EFL Cup against Villa.

Indeed, possibly more 'what's wrong with football' is that Everton spend millions and cannot hold Liverpool kids, yet Shrewsbury can.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:10:54
That was out of necessity though as it clashed with the Club Word Cup. Given Klopp's already sulked about having replays at all, this is just petulance.

Thing is the PL have made a great song and dance about teams respecting the winter break for the sake of their players?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:11:57
If it's within the rules, they have the right to pick whoever they want, and have whoever they want in the dugout. It's that simple. It's a messy road to go down when you want to start dictating who should and shouldn't play, as the mega fuckup of the EFL Trophy has shown.

Playing fringe players is fine and I’ve no problem with that but the arrogance of a manager arbitrarily deciding he can’t be bothered turn up to a match is clearly bringing the game into disrepute.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:14:40
Playing fringe players is fine and I’ve no problem with that but the arrogance of a manager arbitrarily deciding he can’t be bothered turn up to a match is clearly bringing the game into disrepute.

Why,  is there a law that managers have to attend every game? If Mourinho was saying he would be doing this 95% of the media would be knocking one out over it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:16:46
Why,  is there a law that managers have to attend every game? If Mourinho was saying he would be doing this 95% of the media would be knocking one out over it!
It’s without precedent a manager basically saying he can’t be bothered and belittles the whole competition IMO.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:29:15
Why,  is there a law that managers have to attend every game? If Mourinho was saying he would be doing this 95% of the media would be knocking one out over it!
They may well be. But I'd still be calling him an arrogant bastard for it. Completely agree with theakston on this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:29:53
Indeed, possibly more 'what's wrong with football' is that Everton spend millions and cannot hold Liverpool kids, yet Shrewsbury can.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
That's more "what's wrong with Everton" :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 12:13:32
Huddersfield applying to have their official supplier of mango flavoured fizzy coconut water wound up

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1221920816155283463

What is the world coming to when simple honest vendors of mango flavoured fizzy coconut water can't make a living out of football?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 12:19:47
Of all the places I can think that may want mango flavoured fizzy coconut water, Huddersfield is some way down the list.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 12:41:59
Of all the places I can think that may want mango flavoured fizzy coconut water, Huddersfield is some way down the list.
I'm guessing it's not an extensive list at best


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 12:47:55
I'm guessing it's not an extensive list at best

Sandbanks,
Ascot,
Harrogate,
Knightsbridge,
Huddersfield,
Aldershot

Yup. you're right.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 13:00:50
Sandbanks,
Ascot,
Harrogate,
Knightsbridge,
Huddersfield,
Aldershot

Yup. you're right.

And I think we can guess which will be the next one to close from that list...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 13:06:22
I'll take a shot  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 13:07:22
I'll take a shot  :)

 ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:23:08
Not really whats wrong with football as such but a real shame.

Ex Town target Billy Kee retires from professional football aged just 29 due to his mental health problems.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18194931.accrington-stanleys-billy-kee-retired-football/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 10:36:36
That's really sad. Hope that he can beat his demons and can go on to live a happy and healthy life after football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 15:58:30
The absolute bell-ends attacking Ed Woodwards house last night.

What goes through someones head to do that.

For those who live under a rock https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51290264



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 17:18:14
What if it had been a driveway instead?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 30, 2020, 20:53:57
The absolute bell-ends attacking Ed Woodwards house last night.

What goes through someones head to do that.

For those who live under a rock https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51290264
Some suggestion it was a setup:

https://twitter.com/MikeLUHGv3/status/1222426614182694913

:hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, January 30, 2020, 20:57:01
What if it had been a driveway instead?

That’s exactly what I thought when I read the article. Or what if it was windows in an office near Swindon


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, February 3, 2020, 12:19:57
Neymar getting booked at the weekend for a bit of showboating. Well, he got booked for dissent, but only after the ref told him to stop showboating.

Ronaldinho would have had 15 red cards a season in his day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 22:24:47
Some matches in the FA in the same round using VAR and some not. You’ve basically got different rules depending on the ground, the FA couldn’t fuck up football anymore if they tried.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 09:52:34
Some matches in the FA in the same round using VAR and some not. You’ve basically got different rules depending on the ground, the FA couldn’t fuck up football anymore if they tried.
Be careful, they might take that as a challenge!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 15:07:10
Neymar getting booked at the weekend for a bit of showboating. Well, he got booked for dissent, but only after the ref told him to stop showboating.

Ronaldinho would have had 15 red cards a season in his day.
And 20 for Sammy Igoe !!!.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 15:30:50
wonder if Wellens remembers the time Igoe got him sent off at Blackpool


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 15:45:02
Some matches in the FA in the same round using VAR and some not. You’ve basically got different rules depending on the ground, the FA couldn’t fuck up football anymore if they tried.

The fact they do that is frankly ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 15:55:57
Got to feel a bit for the other STFC. Get a replay at Anfield. Liverpool play their U23s and to attract fans charge £10 a ticket. Whereas they could have expected to make £500,000 from the replay they only get £100,000.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 15:57:17
wonder if Wellens remembers the time Igoe got him sent off at Blackpool

I remember him mentioning it once in some sort of presser or whatever.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 16:10:12
wonder if Wellens remembers the time Igoe got him sent off at Blackpool

He does. Talked about it at the Loathed Strangers live event


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, 17:22:23
excellent :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 6, 2020, 16:29:02
That bloke who got his hampton out at the Newcastle game got a life ban from football.

Some kid shouting racist abuse at another game got 3 years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 6, 2020, 16:34:33
life ban? way ott


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 6, 2020, 17:10:19
That bloke who got his hampton out at the Newcastle game got a life ban from football.

Some kid shouting racist abuse at another game got 3 years.
I’ve just spent ages trying to think what the rhyming slang could be for Hampton Court!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, February 6, 2020, 19:51:09
That bloke who got his hampton out at the Newcastle game got a life ban from football.

Some kid shouting racist abuse at another game got 3 years.
Bring back the Erica Roe's of this world.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 7, 2020, 13:12:59
That bloke who got his hampton out at the Newcastle game got a life ban from football.

Some kid shouting racist abuse at another game got 3 years.

Got the old bill on his back as well...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51415680

If he has been given a life ban one would assume the rozzers will have no problem identifying him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, February 8, 2020, 07:43:28
Fake news say the BBC


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 15, 2020, 17:58:45
I know they're tinpot plastics (?!), but wft is this:

https://twitter.com/bluewhitewall/status/1228731758260244481?s=19


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 07:54:33
Why would they give a sh*t any more? Quite touching really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:26:02
Can anyone even hazard a guess as to WTF that is all about?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:28:40
If they were playing Northampton it would make a bit more sense - but still not much.

Can’t remember the last time we played them. At the Madjeski was it when Kuffour scored?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:41:05
Can anyone even hazard a guess as to WTF that is all about?


They must be the only team who don't have a rival as neither us or poxford see them as relevant but maybe I'm wrong and it's Aldershot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:47:23
My knowledge of STFC terrace chants are extremely out of date but I can not remember one anti Reading / Reading player song in our repertoire from the 20 years I was going every week.

It’s obviously always been Oxford first but any song that requires a second team (like Build a Bonfire) it’s always been Bristol City


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:50:20
Some of the replies are even more cringeworthy, the plastics still droning on about the record number of points amongst other things. If he enjoys history, perhaps he should look back further in time to the Elm Park attendances.
The chant itself is years old, think it started as "shoes off if you love the Toon"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:57:12
Some of the replies are even more cringeworthy, the plastics still droning on about the record number of points amongst other things. If he enjoys history, perhaps he should look back further in time to the Elm Park attendances.
The chant itself is years old, think it started as "shoes off if you love the Toon"


They used to get around 5000 at Elm Park and never brought any numbers to the county ground which is bizarre considering the distance and we're supposed to be rivals


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 16, 2020, 10:23:16
My knowledge of STFC terrace chants are extremely out of date but I can not remember one anti Reading / Reading player song in our repertoire from the 20 years I was going every week.

It’s obviously always been Oxford first but any song that requires a second team (like Build a Bonfire) it’s always been Bristol City
There used to be a fair bit back in the 80s when we used to play them more regularly than Oxford but as you say in the last 20 years its been pretty much quiet on that front, it came to a head when the Fat Czech Fraudster wanted to create Thames Valley Royals, but since then, pretty much nothing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 19:13:03
Dan Roan's report on Man Citeh. Making it sound like the darlings will go out of business and could have "devastating effects" for them. Fuck off. A few seasons out of Europe. Yeah I'm sure there will be a knock on, some players won't want to join them and some may want to leave.

It's purely just an issue for Man City. They won't go out of business or get relegated for that matter.

I was glad UEFA had the balls to issue a hefty ban and fine that is quite relative to the size of club. Both FIFA and the FA would do well to follow their example in cases of 'fit and proper'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 19:19:21
Seemingly the harsh punishment is due to them misleading UEFA rather than them drastically failing FPP.

Which is why they were more lenient with PSG as they were helpful to UEFA whereas City were just lying dickheads.

Fully deserved in my eyes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 19:47:11
Absolutely!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 20:04:04
Dan Roan's report on Man Citeh. Making it sound like the darlings will go out of business and could have "devastating effects" for them. Fuck off. A few seasons out of Europe. Yeah I'm sure there will be a knock on, some players won't want to join them and some may want to leave.

It's purely just an issue for Man City. They won't go out of business or get relegated for that matter.

I was glad UEFA had the balls to issue a hefty ban and fine that is quite relative to the size of club. Both FIFA and the FA would do well to follow their example in cases of 'fit and proper'
The BBC's reporting of the whole issue has been dreadful. It seems a good chunk of their football correspondents simply don't understand what City are being punished for, the precedents (and where they are precedents or aren't) or the likely ways forward (CAS, Swiss Courts, ECHR etc). They just mouth platitudes and hope that'll do because we're football fans so we're all too stupid to understand it all anyway.

Seemingly the harsh punishment is due to them misleading UEFA rather than them drastically failing FPP.

Which is why they were more lenient with PSG as they were helpful to UEFA whereas City were just lying dickheads.

Fully deserved in my eyes.
Kieran Maguire explained this quite well the other day: it's like the Labour MP who was jailed for perjury. She was originally charged with speeding, which is against the law but a relatively minor offence (in the grand scheme of things) and hence carries minor punishments, fines, points etc. But her attempts to evade the original punishment led her to a situation where she actively lied to avoid justice and in any judicial system that is always punished more heavily than the original crime (except possibly for things like murder etc) because it undermines the whole fabric of the justice system. Same with City - it's their attempts to lie and deceive UEFA as to their overspend, rather than the overspend itself, which is the reason for the harsh punishment. They should probably be demoted two divisions.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 20:26:39
The BBC's reporting of the whole issue has been dreadful. It seems a good chunk of their football correspondents simply don't understand what City are being punished for, the precedents (and where they are precedents or aren't) or the likely ways forward (CAS, Swiss Courts, ECHR etc). They just mouth platitudes and hope that'll do because we're football fans so we're all too stupid to understand it all anyway.

Well put.

It would be nice if they actually focused on the state of the crumbling football pyramid accurately and offered some balance by focusing on a club like ours, who in football terms, are balancing the books pretty well and have two off field projects that are progressing fairly well at the talking stages. You know, an almost 'How to build a football club from the bottom up' approach.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 21:44:03
Salford City at Wembley and the wank fest that will ensue. How many fans do we reckon, 2k?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 03:34:11
Fucking cunts! I’ve booked to come over and get a couple of games in, one of which was the Salford game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 06:37:07
Salford City at Wembley and the wank fest that will ensue. How many fans do we reckon, 2k?
Probably get a few of the London-based Man U plastics supporting them for the day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 07:00:13
Full house then


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:19:43
Dan Roan's report on Man Citeh.

Based on his coverage of cycling over the years, a topic he knows sweet FA about but always likes to report (badly) a scandal, if Dan Roan is involved then they are knackered, he only gets involved in juicy stories that have been developing for years and then puts his byline on the end of the denouncement story to get the plaudits, must be a nightmare to work for as your sports editor.

Making it sound like the darlings will go out of business and could have "devastating effects" for them. Fuck off. A few seasons out of Europe. Yeah I'm sure there will be a knock on, some players won't want to join them and some may want to leave.

It's purely just an issue for Man City. They won't go out of business or get relegated for that matter.

Interestingly I read something that suggested the opposite, if they are out of Europe for 2 seasons, those 'European weeks' where all the other big teams in Europe will have games will be free for City, opening the opportunity for them to play exhibition matches all over the place expanding their fan base and worldwide spread and thus their earning potential.

Also never underestimate the possibility for the regulatory authorities to make a complete horlicks of applying their own rules, its not necessarily that City will need to prove they did not do wrong, but that UEFA failed to act properly. Again using cycling as an example (a regular appearer at CAS) there are numerous cases of people getting off on a technicality due to administrative balls up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:28:32
Also never underestimate the possibility for the regulatory authorities to make a complete horlicks of applying their own rules, its not necessarily that City will need to prove they did not do wrong, but that UEFA failed to act properly. Again using cycling as an example (a regular appearer at CAS) there are numerous cases of people getting off on a technicality due to administrative balls up.
On that basis alone, City are home and dry. Personally I think City will play in Europe next season, if only because they won't be able to get all the way through the appeals process in time. Then they'll look to tie UEFA up in legal knots for the next decade or so, getting a suspension of the punishment pending completion of the legal process each season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:38:32
On that basis alone, City are home and dry. Personally I think City will play in Europe next season, if only because they won't be able to get all the way through the appeals process in time. Then they'll look to tie UEFA up in legal knots for the next decade or so, getting a suspension of the punishment pending completion of the legal process each season.

We'll see, they managed to turn Lizzie Deignan's case round sharpish when she wanted to compete at the 2016 Olympics?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:43:24
We'll see, they managed to turn Lizzie Deignan's case round sharpish when she wanted to compete at the 2016 Olympics?
Oh I agree it can be done in plenty of time. But I think it's probably in City's interests to drag it out and then entangle UEFA in the weeds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 09:54:47
On that basis alone, City are home and dry. Personally I think City will play in Europe next season, if only because they won't be able to get all the way through the appeals process in time. Then they'll look to tie UEFA up in legal knots for the next decade or so, getting a suspension of the punishment pending completion of the legal process each season.
I think this is a dead cert, UEFA saying what the punishment would be before they’d done the investigation 2 years ago isn’t going to make them look too clever. Also seems that a lot of the evidence is based on hacked emails so once you get into the legal realms the questions of whether these are admissible as evidence comes into the equation. Add in the former CE of Man United being involved in the investigation and you’ve got plenty of strings for lawyers to pull at.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 20, 2020, 16:41:19
Southend are in the mire. Seemingly they have had a transfer embargo enforced which won't be lifted until £600k is paid.

They could be in serious shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 21, 2020, 11:43:51
Southend are in the mire. Seemingly they have had a transfer embargo enforced which won't be lifted until £600k is paid.

They could be in serious shit.
Curse of Campbell strikes again, that guy has a bloodhound's nose for clubs in the shit :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, February 21, 2020, 22:12:18
 :pint:
Curse of Campbell strikes again, that guy has a bloodhound's nose for clubs in the shit :)

Now that is funny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 25, 2020, 09:51:01
https://fanbanter.co.uk/leeds-fan-at-newport-taunts-stuart-mccall-fan-shouting-burn-bradford-burn-was-vilest-thing-ive-heard/



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 23:59:57
Salford have been allocated 3000 tickets for their Cup Final against Pompey!

https://salfordcityfc.co.uk/wembley-ticket-details-feb20/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 05:52:48
I think the picture they have used says it all really.

https://salfordcityfc.co.uk/wembley-ticket-details-feb20/

Two fans stood outside the stadium along with some blokes in high-vis and a couple of blokes carrying what looks like a corner flag but probably isn't, no one else around...can't buy a fan base Gary :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: STFC_Gazza on Thursday, February 27, 2020, 08:02:31
Portsmouth allocated 50.300 tickets


Salford have been allocated 3000 tickets for their Cup Final against Pompey!

https://salfordcityfc.co.uk/wembley-ticket-details-feb20/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 29, 2020, 19:46:24
I see that winter break Liverpool were so insistent on has done them the world of good. Played 4 games since the break, been poor in all of them, only been ahead for 24 of those 360 minutes across the 4 games #schadenfreude #DontAngerTheFACupGods


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 1, 2020, 19:39:40
Portsmouth allocated 50.300 tickets



I think that's one zero too many! I bet Becks won't leave Miami to attend😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 2, 2020, 15:12:42
FA Cup 5th round being played in midweek.

Roll on the European Super League.

A middling PL side can play a minimum of 40 games in a season.
A L1 or L2 side can play 51 (including trophy).

Is top tier football really that more intense than our level, that they need the break more?
Not convinced, but I guess that the running stats might be readily available for comparison these days.
The difference might be between the ears though, although one or two top flight keepers wouldn't look out of place in L2 on occasion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, March 27, 2020, 22:27:41
Bristol Rovers £24m in debt.

Fuck them though, the wankers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, March 28, 2020, 07:43:20
Bristol Rovers £24m in debt.

Fuck them though, the wankers
Increasing by £5k a day as well - that’s what Dwayne Sports charge on their loan


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, March 28, 2020, 07:44:42
The irony of Bristol City fans laughing at those amounts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, April 6, 2020, 14:54:25
https://twitter.com/d3d4football/status/1247138691019165696


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 6, 2020, 14:55:37
https://twitter.com/d3d4football/status/1247138691019165696
Bloody hell, could also go in the "could actually be worse" thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, April 6, 2020, 17:10:14
Readings current financial plight started with their previous owner (the real estate in Green Park is worth a lot of money). That fella now of course runs OUFC.

Readings problems will come to a head soon. Not even close to Premier League football and a largely disinterested fanbase.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Monday, April 6, 2020, 20:29:30
Readings current financial plight started with their previous owner (the real estate in Green Park is worth a lot of money). That fella now of course runs OUFC.

Readings problems will come to a head soon. Not even close to Premier League football and a largely disinterested fanbase.

He still owns the land round it. The ground will one day in the near future revert to it's previous use.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 09:19:18
Someone really needs to tell Gordon Taylor that the single best thing he can do to represent his members at the moment is to shut the fuck up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 10:09:02
Im surprised the members of PFA havent had a vote of confidence in him. Blokes a fucking dinosaur


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 10:14:06
A very wealthy dinosaur who wants to keep suckling


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 10:14:17
I won't ever forget that back in the early 80s he didn't want any players from other countries (notably the EU) coming over to the league and actually refused them work permits saying they would take British players jobs. Rather than looking at the bigger picture.

The man truly is and always has been a footballing dinosaur.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, April 7, 2020, 19:40:36
 :suicide:
Im surprised the members of PFA havent had a vote of confidence in him. Blokes a fucking dinosaur

Gordon Taylor, footballs Arthur Scargill.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:15:07
Dale Vince is unbelievable, demanding a wage cap now after financially doping his companies marketing department into the football league. Not the richest guy in the playground anymore so it’s all unfair, an absolute hypocrite and not just when it comes to football.

https://twitter.com/dalevince/status/1252879075653246984?s=21


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 10:26:12
What a bellend.

No longer a big fish in a small pond and having to compete against other clubs that naturally have more resources - so he wants the rules changed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 22, 2020, 20:03:52
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/22/manchester-united-sues-football-manager-makers-over-use-of-name


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, May 23, 2020, 08:49:21
Man Utd defer their VAT Bill and in dispute with HMRC.


Small print in Manchester United third quarter results reveal it had cash to spend £3.6m to buy back shares to prop up the share price & can pay £11m dividend to owners (78% to Glazers) on 3 June but chose to defer its £10m VAT bill last quarter due to UK govt for a year #MUFC https://t.co/vMakM27s5o

As well as delaying paying their VAT bill Manchester United are being investigated over other tax issues too #MUFC https://t.co/bMdSlWfTHv


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 23, 2020, 22:25:50
Man Utd defer their VAT Bill and in dispute with HMRC.


Small print in Manchester United third quarter results reveal it had cash to spend £3.6m to buy back shares to prop up the share price & can pay £11m dividend to owners (78% to Glazers) on 3 June but chose to defer its £10m VAT bill last quarter due to UK govt for a year #MUFC https://t.co/vMakM27s5o

As well as delaying paying their VAT bill Manchester United are being investigated over other tax issues too #MUFC https://t.co/bMdSlWfTHv

And? Come on matey, it is the Swindletown story that is the scandal FFS.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, June 11, 2020, 14:54:23
Chelsea. Paying lip service to BLM with nice statements on social media, pics of players taking a knee etc, but then fighting the civil claims against them from their own former black youth players who their coach racially abused for years and who "were treated like a race of fucking dogs". Despite apologising for what they admitted was "an environment where racially abusive behaviour became normalised", seems Chelsea are happy to apologise because that makes them look good but still fighting the civil claims in court which might cost them a few quid. Nice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 22, 2020, 09:18:08
Was debating this thread or the 'things that make you smile' thread, but Hull City having a bit of a PR mare this morning.

https://twitter.com/HullCity/status/1274984925964505090

Getting shirty with The Athletic for what seems like a very well sourced story, and 'redacting' the emails by highlighting it in black, which means you can paste it into word and remove all the redactions.

Ex-Town loanee Kev Stewart is on 17k a week, in case you wanted to know... Decent change that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 13, 2020, 08:32:05
Oh well, looks like UEFA's rules are as shit as the FL's then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2020, 08:51:57
Man City overturning the ban is fucking ridiculous.

You broke the rules and there is no punishment, a tiny fine in terms of Man City.

Absolute fucking joke.

RIP FFP.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 13, 2020, 08:59:16
No point playing matches, may as well just compare balance sheets and award trophies on the back of who's got the most dosh. Play-offs between legal teams in the event of a tie


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:03:00
What I will say, having read a fair few CAS decisions/findings due to my cycling interests, is that CAS tend to be very thorough and its normally a balls up by the regulatory bodies that sees such things over turned.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, July 13, 2020, 09:05:38
Man City overturning the ban is fucking ridiculous.

You broke the rules and there is no punishment, a tiny fine in terms of Man City.

Absolute fucking joke.

RIP FFP.

Absolutely this.  >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:33:10
Imagine if we'd have a decent, expensive team of lawyers in 1990.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:36:36
Imagine if we'd have a decent, expensive team of lawyers in 1990.
The League wouldn't have tried applying the punishment in the first place. cf Spurs and Chelsea the following season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:37:27
Imagine if we'd have a decent, expensive team of lawyers in 1990.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Man City probably spent more on their team of lawyers than we spent as an entire gate recipts for that whole season.

Definately them and us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:45:03
As I have said before, I have no interest in the Premiership. Football to me starts at the Championship. I wish the premiership would disappear or become a global league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, July 13, 2020, 12:57:12
As I have said before, I have no interest in the Premiership. Football to me starts at the Championship. I wish the premiership would disappear or become a global league.

I’m sure at some point it could well do and you’d get your wish but would kind of clash with the World Cup maybe? Or down grade the World Cup in a way that the FA Cup has been. In a similar vein someone posted about the huge amounts of money that Man City probably spent on lawyers as akin to our whole seasons gate receipts. When you consider how much the CL is worth it’s not surprising they probably did. That reinforces how big that competition is in financial terms and only a short step away from being a global league of some sorts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, July 13, 2020, 13:59:16
I’m sure at some point it could well do and you’d get your wish but would kind of clash with the World Cup maybe? Or down grade the World Cup in a way that the FA Cup has been. In a similar vein someone posted about the huge amounts of money that Man City probably spent on lawyers as akin to our whole seasons gate receipts. When you consider how much the CL is worth it’s not surprising they probably did. That reinforces how big that competition is in financial terms and only a short step away from being a global league of some sorts.
According to Kieran Macguire on Price of Football this morning (so take with some degree of pinches of salt), a two season ban would have cost City in the order of £200m-250m and they employed 4 legal firms to work on the case. So you could well see them spending several million on lawyers and that they'd consider that good value in the circumstances.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 13, 2020, 14:18:50
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/109580852_1499024016948703_2661851554699701432_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=kf3oBCb1FiEAX_v9Hus&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=657486f3ce020b1184f969e565d7b4ce&oe=5F30DE16)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 10:41:59
ITV binning Clive tyldsley for Sam matterface


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 17:18:52
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53405293


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 20:34:46
Not sure if this belongs in here but it'll do. BEIN TV own the rights to the PL in the Middle East, but are Qatari owned and as the Saudis are engaged in a long-running hot/cold war with Qatar, the Saudis have long sought to undermine BEIN by pirating PL games on BEOUT (see what they did there?). This has been an issue blocking the Saudi takeover of Newcastle Utd as it was potentially embarrassing for the PL that their official rightsholder in the region could be being actively pirated by one of their club owners. So the PL have been humming and hahing about approving the takeover. Now BEIN have been banned from broadcasting in Saudi Arabia. Does this mean the PL have decided not to sanction the takeover and this is the Saudis retaliating?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 12:02:35
Not sure if this belongs in here but it'll do. BEIN TV own the rights to the PL in the Middle East, but are Qatari owned and as the Saudis are engaged in a long-running hot/cold war with Qatar, the Saudis have long sought to undermine BEIN by pirating PL games on BEOUT (see what they did there?). This has been an issue blocking the Saudi takeover of Newcastle Utd as it was potentially embarrassing for the PL that their official rightsholder in the region could be being actively pirated by one of their club owners. So the PL have been humming and hahing about approving the takeover. Now BEIN have been banned from broadcasting in Saudi Arabia. Does this mean the PL have decided not to sanction the takeover and this is the Saudis retaliating?

It does seem rather peculiar that as it stands the Saudi's are seeking to take over a club in a league that cannot actually be watched legally in their territory.

I suspect its just a further bargaining move, whatever BeIn are paying will as its stands potentially  reduce substantially at renegotiation if their service is blocked in a big area of their target audience, thus I suspect its just the Saudi's metaphorically flexing their muscles back at the PL, considering the whole PL business model is founded on TV deals. 

TBH the decision for the PL is no different to what it was 100+ days ago, do they allow Saudi ownership or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 12:46:39
Dont understand why it has taken so long to be honest


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 14:17:50
Not really whats wrong with football or whats right with it, but its official now, 5 subs will be allowed from next season.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12029107/five-substitutes-to-be-allowed-next-season-ifab-announces


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 14:21:49
Whilst of course player welfare should be paramount, can't help feeling that this will help the bigger clubs that of course have the most money to stockpile the most players.

That said, will it allow clubs like Man City and Chelsea to blood younger English players into their squads which will give them much needed first team football? Phil Foden for example.

At our level, not sure we'll see much of a change, many l2 and some l1 clubs really struggle to fill benches and I'm sure we've only fielded 3-6 subs in the past.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 14:29:40
Spot on BO, I agree with all of that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 14:39:06

At our level, not sure we'll see much of a change, many l2 and some l1 clubs really struggle to fill benches and I'm sure we've only fielded 3-6 subs in the past.

The only issue may be (and I think someone mentioned it before) is that it might negatively effect teams like us who like to play the ball by neutralising our ability to tire other teams out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 15:31:47
5 subs, why, just why.

I can just about buy that after lockdown it was fitness related. but post?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 16:01:13
Not really whats wrong with football or whats right with it, but its official now, 5 subs will be allowed from next season.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12029107/five-substitutes-to-be-allowed-next-season-ifab-announces

Not a fan of this in the PL. You already see teams unable to fill their squad with fit first team players then you have man city who have a 2nd starting XI of which most would walk into any club in europe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 16:03:08
Just look at City's bench for tonight. De Bruyne, Rodri, Laporte, Mahrez, Sterling, Zinchenko to name a few. Its bad enough 3 of those coming on, but 5?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: blinkpip on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 16:09:56
5 subs  :no: Imagine the time wasting at the end of games next season.   :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 16:13:54
5 subs  :no: Imagine the time wasting at the end of games next season.   :suicide:

You can still only use 5 subs in '3 goes', right?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 16:18:54
You can still only use 5 subs in '3 goes', right?
I assume this will be the case still.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 17:45:17
The time wasting is moot anyway because all refs know and should be implementing around 30 seconds additional time for any subs made, along with any of the other usual stoppages.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:31:40
A world cup final on the 18th December....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 10:37:54
Birmingham, Derby and Sheffield Wednesday are all possibly waiting on a 21 point deduction for their respective financial breaches.

Now, I wonder if the EFL are waiting for season’s end so they can deduct just enough points to ensure none of them actually get relegated.

Anything other than that will, undoubtedly, see appeals and impinge on any new season start date.

One other thing. The present % of turnover to wages spend presently at 60% isn’t that at all.

Wages are 60% of income PLUS 100% of owner injections PLUS 100% of player sales PLUS 100% of cup money.

So, in effect, no cap at all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 10:41:18
Many clubs don't even pay the FFP/SCMP even lip service.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 10:49:50
One other thing. The present % of turnover to wages spend presently at 60% isn’t that at all.

Wages are 60% of income PLUS 100% of owner injections PLUS 100% of player sales PLUS 100% of cup money.
I don't think that can be right. Otherwise Derby, Wednesday and Villa wouldn't have had to go down the route of selling their ground to themselves to disguise losses. That's the whole point of why Derby and Wednesday have been charged - because they tried to disguise additional money being put in by the owners with spurious ground sales.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 11:01:22
I don't think that can be right. Otherwise Derby, Wednesday and Villa wouldn't have had to go down the route of selling their ground to themselves to disguise losses. That's the whole point of why Derby and Wednesday have been charged - because they tried to disguise additional money being put in by the owners with spurious ground sales.
That’s for L1 and 2, I presume. There’s no equivalent % in the Championship.

There it’s a maximum of £39m losses over 3 years. That’s what they were using the ground sale money for - to get their losses appear less


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 11:06:11
That’s for L1 and 2, I presume. There’s no equivalent % in the Championship.

There it’s a maximum of £39m losses over 3 years. That’s what they were using the ground sale money for - to get their losses appear less
Yes I know that, but the 100% of owner input even in L1 and L2 still doesn't sound right. Where did you get that figure on 100% of owner input from? (Said this before, it would be really helpful if you'd link your sources when you make these kinds of claims).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 11:15:52
PriceOfFootball
@KieranMaguire

Wages are 60% of income PLUS 100% of owner injections PLUS 100% of player sales PLUS 100% of cup money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 14:44:21
PriceOfFootball
@KieranMaguire

Wages are 60% of income PLUS 100% of owner injections PLUS 100% of player sales PLUS 100% of cup money

Cheers. And, astonishingly, you're correct.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-5---financial-fair-play-regulations/

Not astonished you're correct, but astonished that this is permitted. What *isn't* permitted is including loans or conversions of debt to equity as revenue to offset debt, but as you quite correctly said if an owner wants to drop £20m into a club, they can do that and it will count toward their revenue as part of the salary cap. I guess in the case of the stadium sellers they didn't want to just bung money in without any recall, so selling the stadium to themselves gives them an asset to be used as bargaining chip in any future sale (or administration) as opposed to a straight donation


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 14:52:29
Yeah, it’s very strange indeed. All the comments on a proposed salary cap have virtually all said, myself included, were a cap isn’t needed the EFL just need to monitor the present 60% t/o to wages ratio correctly.

Turns out, it’s all bollocks anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, July 18, 2020, 15:02:05
Yeah, it’s very strange indeed. All the comments on a proposed salary cap have virtually all said, myself included, were a cap isn’t needed the EFL just need to monitor the present 60% t/o to wages ratio correctly.

Turns out, it’s all bollocks anyway.
Absolutely. So actually all they need to do is implement a proper %age salary cap and then monitor it. Neither are going to happen are they? Anything they introduce will just be lip service with enough loopholes to drive a coach and horses through


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 20, 2020, 14:33:55
Charlton now under a new contract registration embargo.

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/lee-bowyer-embargo-means-charlton-athletic-cannot-offer-contracts-to-senior-players/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 08:24:35
This was an interesting yet sad and depressing listen...

https://play.acast.com/s/footballramble/bookclub-blackandblue-paulcanoville


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 09:30:10
This was an interesting yet sad and depressing listen...

https://play.acast.com/s/footballramble/bookclub-blackandblue-paulcanoville

I've got this in my list of podcasts to play. Should get onto that this week, possibly today or tomorrow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 13:25:23
Not really wrong as such, but interesting...

Wolves goals have been scored by 12 players this season, none of whom are from the UK.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 22:04:56
Commentators who keep on saying 'oh I bet Jackie Charlton would've loved to have seen this day' when regarding Leeds being in the top flight again. I'm pretty certain he saw Leeds go into the top flight at least four times (twice whilst playing and twice as a spectator). Then again, nothing exists pre 1992 does it?

I also didn't realise Leeds Utd are only 100 years (101 in October) young. A fairly young club comparative to many more and despite their fans being cunts, they have quite a concentrated amount of success when weighted against their length of existence. Not a bad ratiooo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 06:59:26
Leeds United were formed 100 years ago, but I’m fairly certain there was a Leeds city before them who were quite successful but went bust because of financial irregularities and Leeds United were formed in their place


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 07:43:17
Yeah, Town LEGEND Herbert Chapman managed their final years.

Leeds City were a relatively young club (compared to others) themselves when they dissolved.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 07:54:55
Yeah, Town LEGEND Herbert Chapman managed their final years.
Legend...yes, Town legend, might be pushing it a bit! :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 14:20:52
Birmingham retiring the 22 shirt for Jude Bellingham.

Fucking idiots.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 14:36:47
I must have missed that he has passed away.

Pathetic - one full season under his belt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 14:42:43
I think it's symbolic. He's essentially secured their long term future too. I've got zero issue with it.

Ultimately, if people are outraged beyond belief (which it's clear people are) then it says more about them than Birmingham City deciding to not use the number '22' any more. That crucial and historic football number... 22.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 14:46:22
I think it's symbolic. He's essentially secured their long term future too. I've got zero issue with it.

Ultimately, if people are outraged beyond belief (which it's clear people are) then it says more about them than Birmingham City deciding to not use the number '22' any more. That crucial and historic football number... 22.

A very sensible take but still..... 40 games. It's a nonsense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 14:49:09
A very sensible take but still..... 40 games. It's a nonsense.

Indeed it is.

Up there with the Reading song for cringe value.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 14:52:07
It's a bit selfish, they only have Infinity-1 numbers left to play with now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:00:00
A very sensible take but still..... 40 games. It's a nonsense.

It's overtly sentimental but negative response has been just as over the top. It's not a big deal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:10:16
22 is one of my least favourite football shirt numbers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:10:36
To think, if our great hope had gone on to be the full Rooney he was made out to be we might have been retiring whatever number Alex Henshall had.

It is a bit over the top but whatever, it's not harming anyone is it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:11:48
 Can we retire Agombars number after his fantastic service to the club


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:22:06
Can we retire Agombars number after his fantastic service to the club

He had two squad numbers - 27 & 30, that'll show Brum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:28:43
I think it's symbolic. He's essentially secured their long term future too. I've got zero issue with it.

Ultimately, if people are outraged beyond belief (which it's clear people are) then it says more about them than Birmingham City deciding to not use the number '22' any more. That crucial and historic football number... 22.

It was just about a year ago that Bellingham came off the bench and scored a couple in  that friendly when Brum stuffed us 6-1.... so obvious he was going to be worth 30 odd mill.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:37:30
I think it's symbolic. He's essentially secured their long term future too. I've got zero issue with it.

Ultimately, if people are outraged beyond belief (which it's clear people are) then it says more about them than Birmingham City deciding to not use the number '22' any more. That crucial and historic football number... 22.

:dito:

There are millions of things considerably more wrong with football, this is nothing.

P.S Just imagine the internet if we sold a young player for £30m.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:46:45
"Won't matter coz we won't see a penny of it."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 15:47:33
Birmingham’s owner is a fruit loop too, that will be why this has happened


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, July 23, 2020, 17:30:27
It's just a strange, random thing to do🥺


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 09:36:51
Bournemouth's board will meet later this week to discuss the possibility of pursuing a compensation claim against Hawk-Eye, whose mistake may have contributed to their relegation from the Premier League.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 09:45:09
Bournemouth's board will meet later this week to discuss the possibility of pursuing a compensation claim against Hawk-Eye, whose mistake may have contributed to their relegation from the Premier League.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Eddie Howe and the entire first team must be lawyering up then if they're going to sue everyone who's mistakes have contributed to their relegation!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 09:47:24
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 09:56:14
Eddie Howe and the entire first team must be lawyering up then if they're going to sue everyone who's mistakes have contributed to their relegation!

(https://nextalerts.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/better-call-saul-696x392-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 10:26:09
I'd sort of understand if it was the last game of the season but Bournemouth played nine games after that incident at Villa Park. 27 points were available and they dropped 20 of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 10:29:54
Eddie Howe and the entire first team must be lawyering up then if they're going to sue everyone who's mistakes have contributed to their relegation!


"lawyering is a craft that takes a long time to become proficient at"



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:46:33
Bournemouth's board will meet later this week to discuss the possibility of pursuing a compensation claim against Hawk-Eye, whose mistake may have contributed to their relegation from the Premier League.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Shameless.

Got into the Prem by cheating the system.

Should be welcomed into the Championship with 12 point deduction.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 16:32:48
EFL put back hearing re Macclesfield to 11 August. How are either club supposed to recruit not knowing which league they’ll be playing in?

Seriously, they’re useless as a governing body.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: kirky69 on Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 04:13:06
www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/champions-league-superclubs-liverpool-man-utd-barcelona-real-madrid-a9330431.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 09:17:17
Really good read that. I wish the top 6 would fuck off and form a super league. Then we'll see what the fans really want.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 09:23:27
Odd though we may find it, the Premier League is actually fairly competitive by comparison with the other major European leagues: Juve have just won Serie A for the 9th consecutive time, Bayern have won the Bundesliga 8 years on the trot, PSG win Ligue Un at a canter every year and Barca/Real have a virtual stranglehold on La Liga. By contrast, our top flight looks positively like a free for all.

None of the above by the way undermines the central point of the article which is as you say excellent


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 12:32:38
Charlton facing expulsion from the Football League in the next 46 days if their finances are not sorted.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/this-is-how-many-days-are-left-to-save-charlton-from-expulsion/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 30, 2020, 14:22:45
Not sure if this belongs in here but it'll do. BEIN TV own the rights to the PL in the Middle East, but are Qatari owned and as the Saudis are engaged in a long-running hot/cold war with Qatar, the Saudis have long sought to undermine BEIN by pirating PL games on BEOUT (see what they did there?). This has been an issue blocking the Saudi takeover of Newcastle Utd as it was potentially embarrassing for the PL that their official rightsholder in the region could be being actively pirated by one of their club owners. So the PL have been humming and hahing about approving the takeover. Now BEIN have been banned from broadcasting in Saudi Arabia. Does this mean the PL have decided not to sanction the takeover and this is the Saudis retaliating?
BBC reporting Saudis have pulled out of the takeover.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, July 30, 2020, 14:31:20
I dont understand why the whole thing had taken so bloody long anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, July 30, 2020, 14:36:57
Dont understand why it has taken so long to be honest

This has been an issue blocking the Saudi takeover of Newcastle Utd as it was potentially embarrassing for the PL that their official rightsholder in the region could be being actively pirated by one of their club owners. So the PL have been humming and hahing about approving the takeover.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 31, 2020, 14:26:53
I just saw this from a couple of days ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12249087/sunderland-william-storey-buyout-transfers-efl/

Quote
Sunderland owner William Storey vows to splurge £50m on transfers including four ‘big name’ Prem players

WILLIAM STOREY has promised Sunderland fans a minimum of £50million to launch them back into the Premier League.

The colourful owner of Rich Energy drinks came out of nowhere on Friday to throw his hat in the ring to buy out Black Cats owner Stewart Donald.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, July 31, 2020, 14:34:09
All you need to do is watch the f1 series drive to survive on netflix to see that bloke.

Absolute cock


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 31, 2020, 14:47:24
I just saw this from a couple of days ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12249087/sunderland-william-storey-buyout-transfers-efl/

Sunderland owner? Jumping the gun a bit there aren't they? Sunderland seem to be a classic case of "Be careful what you wish for" in terms of their fans wanting rid of Ellis Short. Newcastle fans might be about to realise the same. (Ashley's a dick, clearly, but there's plenty worse out there)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 31, 2020, 14:55:11
Sunderland owner? Jumping the gun a bit there aren't they? Sunderland seem to be a classic case of "Be careful what you wish for" in terms of their fans wanting rid of Ellis Short. Newcastle fans might be about to realise the same. (Ashley's a dick, clearly, but there's plenty worse out there)
"Potenital Sunderland owner".

The North East certainly attracts them!

Maybe he wants to buy another L1 club based in the South West for far less money ;) :D  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:03:54
"Potenital Sunderland owner".

The North East certainly attracts them!

Maybe he wants to buy another L1 club based in the South West for far less money ;) :D  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Let's hope not. Sounds like a prime specimen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:05:40
Let's hope not. Sounds like a prime specimen.

He can buy the Gas as their wealthy owners want out and have done nothing there since they took over and claimed to be the sixth wealthiest owners in the football league


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:08:29
He can buy the Gas as their wealthy owners want out and have done nothing there since they took over and the Rovers fans claimed to be the sixth wealthiest owners in the football league
Corrected.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:15:21
Corrected.

We all miss a couple of words out now and again!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:16:57
We all miss a couple of words out now and again!
I doubt he is even the 6th wealthiest owner of a football club in Somerset/Gloucestershire/Wiltshire/Oxfordshire combined.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 31, 2020, 15:20:26
I doubt he is even the 6th wealthiest owner of a football club in Somerset/Gloucestershire/Wiltshire/Oxfordshire combined.

It all sounded like fairytale stuff when he unveiled on BBC Points West a few years ago but they're probably worse off than us with Power 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, July 31, 2020, 17:52:38
Sheffield Wednesday start next season with a 12 point deduction for breaching FFP rules

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-sheffield-wednesday-verdict/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, July 31, 2020, 18:32:41
So what about Derby and Brum? Derby will get away with it because they are always jammy fuckers. Can't stand that club, despite it now having an awesome set up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, August 1, 2020, 18:36:33
Aubangeyang not realising that when you lift the FA Cup, you literally lift just the Cup - you don't worry about the base... he thought he had broken it.

Painful...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, August 1, 2020, 18:39:27
Aubangeyang not realising that when you lift the FA Cup, you literally lift just the Cup - you don't worry about the base... he thought he had broken it.

Painful...

I noticed the Chelsea fans didn't hang around their end was empty😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, August 1, 2020, 18:53:12
Aubangeyang not realising that when you lift the FA Cup, you literally lift just the Cup - you don't worry about the base... he thought he had broken it.

Painful...

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, August 2, 2020, 14:12:11
Salford keen on Nugent at Preston.

We get rid of one fairytale and up pops these fuckers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, August 2, 2020, 14:16:16
This needs to be looked in to. Not a chance they are adhering to da rulez


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, August 2, 2020, 18:52:52
He’s 35 now and has only scored once in 19 games for Preston.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, August 2, 2020, 18:56:52
Not exactly going to be cheap is he


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, August 2, 2020, 19:57:29
This needs to be looked in to. Not a chance they are adhering to da rulez

which rule though! league 2 clubs can only spend 55% of their turnover on wages. however turnover can include owner input


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, August 2, 2020, 20:24:43
which rule though! league 2 clubs can only spend 55% of their turnover on wages. however turnover can include owner input


By hook or by crook whilst they have the wealthy owners behind them they are going to buy their way to through the leagues and it wouldn't surprise me if their in the championship within a few years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 3, 2020, 00:07:13
which rule though! league 2 clubs can only spend 55% of their turnover on wages. however turnover can include owner input
Yep. Owners can put in as much as they like as long as it’s gifted and not a loan. Also, 100% of any player sales and 100% of any Cup money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 07:12:46
If Brentford win the Championship play-off final tonight, they will be guaranteed at least £160m, from next season's basic award + minimum TV revenue and at least two seasons of parachute payments. That is more money than they have earned *in total* in their entire history.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 08:39:48
If Brentford win the Championship play-off final tonight, they will be guaranteed at least £160m, from next season's basic award + minimum TV revenue and at least two seasons of parachute payments. That is more money than they have earned *in total* in their entire history.

I may be wrong, but the Brentford approach is like a much improved version of Peterborough in that they sign young prospects and then when they thrive make huge profits on them. I know they are heavily into statistics etc but their model is definitely something that should be applauded. If Bournemouth's rise up the league is a 'fairytale' then what would Brentford be should they get promoted?

Plus they have developed a brand new stadium so income streams can be increased so they are way more forward thinking than the cherries.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 08:45:40
I may be wrong, but the Brentford approach is like a much improved version of Peterborough in that they sign young prospects and then when they thrive make huge profits on them. I know they are heavily into statistics etc but their model is definitely something that should be applauded. If Bournemouth's rise up the league is a 'fairytale' then what would Brentford be should they get promoted?

Plus they have developed a brand new stadium so income streams can be increased so they are way more forward thinking than the cherries.
Sorry, I wasn't criticising Brentford, as you say they have much to admire. My point was that this demonstrates the insane imbalance in the way money is distributed in football. Rememeber before the PL it used to be Div 1 got 50% of TV money, Div 2 25%, Divs 3 and 4 12.5% each. If we still had that, last season we would have received around £8-9m

EDIT: edited cos I typed it in a rush, typed 200m which would have been the amount for all of L2 not each club. Except it wouldn't because that's just 12.5% of the PL deal, and doesn't allow for the £160m EFL deal as well. So it was wrong twice. Back of a fag packet = around £8-9m each in Leagues 1 and 2. Still over ten times what we currently get and would actually make lower league football financially viable


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 08:48:38
I may be wrong, but the Brentford approach is like a much improved version of Peterborough in that they sign young prospects and then when they thrive make huge profits on them. I know they are heavily into statistics etc but their model is definitely something that should be applauded. If Bournemouth's rise up the league is a 'fairytale' then what would Brentford be should they get promoted?

Plus they have developed a brand new stadium so income streams can be increased so they are way more forward thinking than the cherries.

I’m not an expert, but from a distance Brentford appear to have gone about their rise up the leagues in a much more sustainable way than Bournemouth did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 08:51:36
I’m not an expert, but from a distance Brentford appear to have gone about their rise up the leagues in a much more sustainable way than Bournemouth did

When they were in L2, at the same time as we were, they were losing massive amounts. Ana at the time, their fans were accusing us of cheating. I don't remember now but it was something like 5M/year. Maybe 10 - my memory fails me.

But still probably more sustainable than Bournemouth.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 09:03:40
I quitete like Brentford, no idea why. probably because it was a good away day I guess.

it feels like they've gone from where we are to the verge of the premier League.

Of course you need money to do that. I see what you are saying about 'better Peterborough,' but where did the cash to buy players and a new stadium come from?

and can we get one of those :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 09:08:48
Sorry, I wasn't criticising Brentford, as you say they have much to admire. My point was that this demonstrates the insane imbalance in the way money is distributed in football. Rememeber before the PL it used to be Div 1 got 50% of TV money, Div 2 25%, Divs 3 and 4 12.5% each. If we still had that, last season we would have received around £200m

Sorry if my post made it seem like you were criticising, it wasn't my intention Paul. :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 09:09:52
When they were in L2, at the same time as we were, they were losing massive amounts. Ana at the time, their fans were accusing us of cheating. I don't remember now but it was something like 5M/year. Maybe 10 - my memory fails me.

But still probably more sustainable than Bournemouth.


We've never been in Div 4 at the same time as Brentford or Bormuff.  

Benham has stuck something like 100 mill into Brentford, to get them to where they are, so probably needs to go up to keep it stable.

My only gripe is that does the world need another London club in the top flight?  I'd rather see it spread around the country a bit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 09:10:55
I’m not an expert, but from a distance Brentford appear to have gone about their rise up the leagues in a much more sustainable way than Bournemouth did

They did, but they still did it losing money with a rich backer. But that's how success is made in football these days. I would love for us to have something similar.

Still a lot to admire about them, though. I'll miss Griffin Park, despite us having the PO semi loss there it was still a great away day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 09:21:44
Benham has stuck something like 100 mill into Brentford, to get them to where they are, so probably needs to go up to keep it stable.
TBF they've also made a considerable amount in player sales in that time. The £100m is gross, not net. They're not breaking even, they still need his backing so not self-sustaining, but just showing one side of the balance sheet is a little misleading.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 09:35:38
We've never been in Div 4 at the same time as Brentford or Bormuff. 

Benham has stuck something like 100 mill into Brentford, to get them to where they are, so probably needs to go up to keep it stable.

My only gripe is that does the world need another London club in the top flight?  I'd rather see it spread around the country a bit

Have a word with all the non-london based teams and tell them to stop being so shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 14:30:30
http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/aug/03/emirates-fa-cup-2020-21-season-details-entries-round-dates-prize-fund-030820

The magic of the FA cup is dwindling further.

Makes no difference to us as we haven’t had a good cup run in the while haha


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 14:38:32
http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/aug/03/emirates-fa-cup-2020-21-season-details-entries-round-dates-prize-fund-030820

The magic of the FA cup is dwindling further.

Makes no difference to us as we haven’t had a good cup run in the while haha
Not sure that the big clubs enter the FA cup for the prize money anyway when finishing 15th rather than 14th in the Premier League is worth more.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 16:16:59
Dover Athletic the latest club to be on the verge of extinction.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/national-league-club-could-fold-after-making-all-players-available-for-free-transfer/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 20:35:06
  :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1291111987716354048?s=21


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 20:36:57
Arsenal are apparently trying to tempt Aubameyang to stay with offers c £300k per week, which if he takes it would make him only £50k a week poorer than Ozil. Fair enough, it's a short career, they're entitled to get the best money they can for their skills and ability. And Stan Kroenke, with an estimated personal fortune of £8bn, can certainly afford it. Which makes it all the more shit that Arsenal have just announced 55 redundancies, from the non-playing and not so fabulously well-renumerated staff, obviously.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 22:27:28
 :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1291111987716354048?s=21

Look like an achilles heel tendon tear waiting to happen. Talk about exposed. Footy boots for elite players are essentially what F1 cars are to their drivers. As light and as streamlined as possible. I await the first "boots" that have aerodynamics at their core and claim to increase your speed. There may already be a boot that claims this.

I miss my plain black Umbros with fixed studs. They definitely wouldn't make you you faster but as a defender, you know you could commit to a good sliding challenge and not come out of it with a fucked ankle.

Also, why do several players risk a career ending knee injury by sliding on the fuckers? If I was insuring them I'd have a "you slidey, no payey" clause. Stupid pricks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 23:10:15
Arsenal are apparently trying to tempt Aubameyang to stay with offers c £300k per week, which if he takes it would make him only £50k a week poorer than Ozil. Fair enough, it's a short career, they're entitled to get the best money they can for their skills and ability. And Stan Kroenke, with an estimated personal fortune of £8bn, can certainly afford it. Which makes it all the more shit that Arsenal have just announced 55 redundancies, from the non-playing and not so fabulously well-remunerated staff, obviously.

Then you see a club like Dover (who aren't/weren't that poor as a non-league club) who ask their players to take a 20% wage cut temporarily (to which they all declined), so have subsequently put all the players on the transfer list and will fold if no investment is sought by the end of this month. If Aubameyang accepts his £15.6m pa salary offer...well I think we all know, that kind of investment could keep afloat most league one clubs each year; let alone Dover Athletic (and likely many more to follow). Probably would allow them to run for about 5 years.

The contrast is incredibly stark. Something's got to change but it won't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 10, 2020, 13:42:48
Arsenal to make 55 staff redundant despite paying some players £250k+ per week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53668802


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, August 10, 2020, 13:44:54
Arsenal are apparently trying to tempt Aubameyang to stay with offers c £300k per week, which if he takes it would make him only £50k a week poorer than Ozil. Fair enough, it's a short career, they're entitled to get the best money they can for their skills and ability. And Stan Kroenke, with an estimated personal fortune of £8bn, can certainly afford it. Which makes it all the more shit that Arsenal have just announced 55 redundancies, from the non-playing and not so fabulously well-renumerated staff, obviously.

Arsenal to make 55 staff redundant despite paying some players £250k+ per week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53668802


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, August 10, 2020, 13:46:40
Arsenal to make 55 staff redundant despite paying some players £250k+ per week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53668802


See PaulD's quote in my above comment  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, August 10, 2020, 13:50:37
I am not awake today :) too much going on ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, August 10, 2020, 16:49:58
I am not awake today :) too much going on ;)

I feel ya (not in that way) mate :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 15:23:36
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53751242

Quote
Charlton are also considering their legal position over the 12-point deduction given to Sheffield Wednesday for breaking spending rules, which does not take effect until next season. Had it been activated this term, Wednesday would have been relegated from the Championship instead of the Addicks.

What a mess this last season is turning into, even without the Covid affected season.

Stevenage saved from relegation at the expense of Macclesfield.

Could the same happen to Charlton with Sheff Weds being relegated?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 15:45:12
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53751242

What a mess this last season is turning into, even without the Covid affected season.

Stevenage saved from relegation at the expense of Macclesfield.

Could the same happen to Charlton with Sheff Weds being relegated?
Charlton would do well to worry about their Football League status, never mind which division they're in. Distraction tactics from another set of shitty owners.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 12, 2020, 16:39:04
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/spurs-charged-council-33000-to-use-stadium-as-a-food-bank/12/08/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, August 13, 2020, 01:08:20
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/spurs-charged-council-33000-to-use-stadium-as-a-food-bank/12/08/

High end cuntery that is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, August 14, 2020, 20:27:08
Barcelona giving up in a Champions League quarter final.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Friday, August 14, 2020, 20:37:03
Bayern are pretty special.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 14, 2020, 20:40:45
Barcelona’s highest rated player tonight was Coutinho.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 20, 2020, 15:36:06
Not sure about wrong, but the fact that the 2020-21 Champions League has started before the 2019-20 tournament has concluded is peculiar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 20, 2020, 15:37:44
Not sure about wrong, but the fact that the 2020-21 Champions League has started before the 2019-20 tournament has concluded is peculiar.
Yes that is almost certainly a 1st ever.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, August 29, 2020, 16:56:34
Liverpool currently playing in a swindon kit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, August 29, 2020, 19:02:17
Liverpool currently playing in a swindon kit

It looks like a Town fan 'dream kit' design from the mid-to-late 2000s.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 07:36:48
Not sure what thread to go in, but Hector Bellerin announced as second largest shareholder in Forest Green.

I didnt think players could part own clubs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 07:53:22
Not sure what thread to go in, but Hector Bellerin announced as second largest shareholder in Forest Green.

I didnt think players could part own clubs?

Announced as in "it'll be held in trust until I finish playing" announced. Or actually listed as a shareholder?

To be honest I don't know. Just bored.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 08:34:43
Not sure what thread to go in, but Hector Bellerin announced as second largest shareholder in Forest Green.

I didnt think players could part own clubs?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/08/arsenal-hector-bellerin-invests-in-forest-green-in-eco-friendly-push

Apparently OK'd by the authorities


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 08:37:35
Only 2%


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 08:47:08
Only 2%
Is there a cut-off point at which the authorities deem there to be a conflict of interest? I can see 2% isn't that big a deal but where is it a problem that you start to have a bit more sway? 10%? 25%? 50%?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:02:43
Yes there is a threshold i believe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:17:52
That would mean Ecotricity FC value themselves at £12.5m which seems more than a little high....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:23:23
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/08/arsenal-hector-bellerin-invests-in-forest-green-in-eco-friendly-push

Apparently OK'd by the authorities
They’ll be getting a few good loans in, then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:35:21
Not sure where to put this.

Remember all the hoo ha regarding Barry putting money into the club. Well, Hector Bellerin - Arsenal player - has bought 2% of FGR.

What’s the difference?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:39:12
Not sure where to put this.

Remember all the hoo ha regarding Barry putting money into the club. Well, Hector Bellerin - Arsenal player - has bought 2% of FGR.

What’s the difference?
Personally, I would say no difference, if anything hes even more open about it than Barry was.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:42:08
Not sure where to put this.

Remember all the hoo ha regarding Barry putting money into the club. Well, Hector Bellerin - Arsenal player - has bought 2% of FGR.

What’s the difference?

Aud - do you ever read threads before you post?  ;D
It’s literally being discussed in the posts above  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 09:51:11
Difference is Barry allegedly had 50% did he not?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 10:02:28
Aud - do you ever read threads before you post?  ;D
It’s literally being discussed in the posts above  :D
Obviously not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 10:03:59
Difference is Barry allegedly had 50% did he not?
50% of STFC is a bit more than £800,000.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 10:20:24
Not sure where to put this.

Remember all the hoo ha regarding Barry putting money into the club. Well, Hector Bellerin - Arsenal player - has bought 2% of FGR.

What’s the difference?
Just a guess about Barry / Bellerin.  Is it an EFL rule that Barry was affected by?  In other words, can an EFL player be prevented from having an ownership interest in another EFL club, whereas that restriction does not apply to Premier League players?  I’m thinking that Bellerin’s situation is similar to the Salford owners, but different to Barry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 10:27:34
That would mean Ecotricity FC value themselves at £12.5m which seems more than a little high....
Sure that's not the first time that's been said about Dale Vince


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 10:58:23
Sure that's not the first time that's been said about Dale Vince
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:14:08
PFA L2 team of the season LB... Randall Williams.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:30:03
PFA L2 team of the season LB... Randall Williams.
Really? hes a fucking right winger.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 19:39:01
Really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 15:25:22
Something big is brewing re Cardiff who have sacked Mendez-Laing. He has deleted all his social media.

Rumours on Cardiff forum allege failed drugs test and possible dealing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 15:31:06
All sorts of rumours doing the rounds there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 16:07:07
have sacked Mendez-Laing.

Welcome to Swindon, Nathaniel!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 16:10:11
Welcome to Swindon, Nathaniel!
Maybe when he gets out of prison ;) allegedly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:03:58
Adam Fynn and David Smith. Still makes me uncomfortable.

Ugh :/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:32:54
What have they done?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 17:45:14
What haven't they done?

Fixed it 😉

Still have many active microbusinesses that act to avoid tax, via their Philippines based office. They'd apparently stopped doing it about 3 years ago when press and HMRC started asking questions but they're back at it. Think that Davenport woman is still involved too.

They were the three that were supposedly named as Directors of Town (after Jed) under Seebeck87. But if the nature of Fynn's business is purely to avoid tax, I hope there aren't any existing (unofficial) links to himself and Power. Especially considering unknown quantity regarding the "real" ownership of Town and who funds it. Plus Power, as we know, loves any hustle that involves not handing over any funds  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:29:45
Something big is brewing re Cardiff who have sacked Mendez-Laing. He has deleted all his social media.

Rumours on Cardiff forum allege failed drugs test and possible dealing.

Does anyone know someone in Cardiff who can tell us more?  Obviously nothing coming from CCFC.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:39:55
Does anyone know someone in Cardiff who can tell us more?  Obviously nothing coming from CCFC.

https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217143&sid=c8ee3b05c0c7d86fa7dc49b63f244de7


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 18:55:07
They were the three that were supposedly named as Directors of Town (after Jed) under Seebeck87. But if the nature of Fynn's business is purely to avoid tax, I hope there aren't any existing (unofficial) links to himself and Power.
Given Fynn was on McCrory's side in the ownership battle and Power went to court to prevent him being appointed a director of the club, that seems highly unlikely


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: china red on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 19:12:01
£28 million rising to £33 for Ollie Watkins.......what was Exeter's sell on?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 19:14:46
Given Fynn was on McCrory's side in the ownership battle and Power went to court to prevent him being appointed a director of the club, that seems highly unlikely

'Keep your friends close, keep your anemones even closer' ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:11:57
https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=217143&sid=c8ee3b05c0c7d86fa7dc49b63f244de7
Thanks, Jimmy.  Watch that space, eh? Career down the pan, I think. :blowup:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:30:05
I don't know, didn't stop snorter Mutu from continuing a successful career (he also failed a drugs test at Fiorentina) and he's setting wonderful examples of course as the Manager of Romania u21s...

...I am all for people mending the error of their ways or whatever but I don't think Mutu ever truly learnt his lesson, well the £15m+ fine he owed Chelsea didn't deter him. Then again, addiction is an awful thing, regardless of the medium so if he actually has a habit then it puts a whole different spin on it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Banker on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:50:58
£28 million rising to £33 for Ollie Watkins.......what was Exeter's sell on?

15% ... should secure the club’s post-CV immediate future.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:53:49
Sheffield Star saying the Bogle and Lowe deal was £7m.

For the pair.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 20:55:20
Sheffield Star saying the Bogle and Lowe deal was £7m.

For the pair.

Sheff Star knows about as much as The Adver  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:11:05
2 of the replacements on the Soccer Saturday panel are Tony Pulis and Tactics Tim!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Geoff the Ref on Thursday, September 10, 2020, 13:45:42
2 of the replacements on the Soccer Saturday panel are Tony Pulis and Tactics Tim!
Wow!  That’ll bring in the viewers in their millions.  I’ll bet Chris Kamara is thrilled. 😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, September 18, 2020, 16:34:50
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54204046


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 16:18:17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54220555


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 16:53:07
Wow!  That’ll bring in the viewers in their millions.  I’ll bet Chris Kamara is thrilled. 😁

It could have been worse imagine Maurice Malpas & Paul Hart😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 14:06:19
Finally, a cynical logic to that awful "Want fries with that?" shirt Stevenage wore last year. Fame at last, at the cost of being associated with junk food. About right for them.

https://twitter.com/JonnoSimpson/status/1308517289231147008?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 15:14:15
Cynical, or great marketing. Fair play to them and BK for some creative marketing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 15:20:20
Cynical, or great marketing. Fair play to them and BK for some creative marketing.

Sure, great marketing, but still a sports business allowing itself to become a vehicle for promoting junk food.

And yes, I'm not over the moon about an association with uber-polluting cruise ships either...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 15:49:36
I'm not bothered.

then I am currently working in an industry that build things to kill people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 15:56:02
I'm not bothered.

then I am currently working in an industry that build things to kill people.

You should sponsor Oxford.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 16:01:41

then I am currently working in an industry that build things to kill people.

Laundry pods?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, September 27, 2020, 10:38:41
Dale Vince being chosen as the spokesperson for the plight of lower league clubs in the 'current climate' on Sky Sports News this morning.

Everything he said was true of course but coming from him felt wrong, if anything it's an opportunity for FGR as things are at the moment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, October 5, 2020, 08:26:51
Arsenal making Gunnersaurus (or more accurately, the guy in the suit) redundant. A ridiculous case study in penny pinching at the margins whilst the playing staff earn astonishing amounts and the owner has more money than God.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 5, 2020, 08:33:46
Arsenal making Gunnersaurus (or more accurately, the guy in the suit) redundant. A ridiculous case study in penny pinching at the margins whilst the playing staff earn astonishing amounts and the owner has more money than God.
Also what is wrong with football is mascots like Gunnersaurus.

That is pathetic by a club that are far from being impecunious to lay off someone who is probably paid about £100 a match.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, October 5, 2020, 09:08:28
I suppose there is little point in having a mascot with no fans in the ground though!

Have WBA sacked the fella dressed up as a boiler yet?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 5, 2020, 09:15:20
I suppose there is little point in having a mascot with no fans in the ground though!
No there is little point in that but at least furlough him until this is over.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, October 5, 2020, 09:39:56
No there is little point in that but at least furlough him until this is over.

Send him out on loan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, October 5, 2020, 10:56:36
No there is little point in that but at least furlough him until this is over.
Furlough is coming to an end this month. Has he been sacked or laid off? (It is still shit though, as Nemo said, penny pinching)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 5, 2020, 13:10:45
Rockin' Robin receives the dreaded vote of confidence...

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1313107343958306818?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, October 5, 2020, 13:14:45
Arsenal making Gunnersaurus (or more accurately, the guy in the suit) redundant. A ridiculous case study in penny pinching at the margins whilst the playing staff earn astonishing amounts and the owner has more money than God.

surely, this chap dressed as a dinosaur isnt on a full time salary! isnt rockin Robin a volunteer?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 14:49:58
Ozil saves Gunnersaurus!! (Or, offers to.)

"I was so sad that Jerry Quy aka our famous & loyal mascot @Gunnersaurus
 and integral part of our club was being made redundant after 27 years. As such, I’m offering to reimburse @Arsenal
 with the full salary of our big green guy as long as I will be an Arsenal player..."
https://twitter.com/MesutOzil1088/status/1313486087181021190

Actually what he's offered to do there is pay his wages until January isn't it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 14:56:59
How much money are Arsenal actually saving by laying off this guy? £15/20k per year?

Edit - I read that they are laying off 55 staff in total, but I guess everyone just focuses on him as he dresses up like Barney for a living?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 15:12:29
Has he actually been made redundant, read elsewhere he is retiring?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 15:30:44
Ozil saves Gunnersaurus!! (Or, offers to.)

"I was so sad that Jerry Quy aka our famous & loyal mascot @Gunnersaurus
 and integral part of our club was being made redundant after 27 years. As such, I’m offering to reimburse @Arsenal
 with the full salary of our big green guy as long as I will be an Arsenal player..."
https://twitter.com/MesutOzil1088/status/1313486087181021190

Actually what he's offered to do there is pay his wages until January isn't it?


It's certainly a novel way to open contract negotiations.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 15:58:38
How much money are Arsenal actually saving by laying off this guy? £15/20k per year?

Edit - I read that they are laying off 55 staff in total, but I guess everyone just focuses on him as he dresses up like Barney for a living?



I mean, sacking your mascot for cost savings is so tinpot I'd expect us to make national piss taking headlines for doing it. For Arsenal to do it is just humiliating. But yes, they sacked lots of others including basically all their scouting department, which seems like one of the most short termist things imaginable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 15:25:17
Here comes the price we’ll have to pay for any bail out from the PL

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12098304/efl-not-sustainable-and-should-introduce-b-teams-says-man-city-chief-ferran-soriano


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 15:45:43
The irony in a member of the Man City board saying the EFL isn’t sustainable is frightening.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 15:49:27
Those players are moving to Germany as they will get the chance to play 1st team football at a level the same as the Premier League, not to play in development leagues.  To level the blame at the EFL for that is bollocks.

If they believe there should be a better transition for youngsters to the first team then make it a requirement that a certain percentage of all PL games per team have to have at least one homegrown player under 21 in the starting line up, it's got fuck all do with us that big PL teams value ready made foreigners at 70 or 80 million quid over their own prospects.

If B teams are the price to help us then let them fuck off to form a European Super League as a closed shop, I've had enough of them thinking we're irrelevant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: hefty toe on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 15:50:42
The funny thing is Man City isn't a 'sustainable' business either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 18:34:09
The irony in a member of the Man City board saying the EFL isn’t sustainable is frightening.
Exactly this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 20:57:26
Here comes the price we’ll have to pay for any bail out from the PL

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12098304/efl-not-sustainable-and-should-introduce-b-teams-says-man-city-chief-ferran-soriano

If B Teams happen I fear I will throw in the towel....rather watch Nam.

Turned my back on the Boycott cup for the same reasons.

20 odd years ago Man City were beating Gillingham on pens in a play off final....now in the money they come out with this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 06:54:05
B Teams are allowed in the EFL? They would have to start at the bottom of the pyramid though, which I suspect this chap isn't up for.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 07:06:48
How does it work in other leagues with B teams? Do they just play the games but don’t actually take a promotion or relegation spot? Do fans of these clubs actually turn up to watch their B teams?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 08:00:54
How does it work in other leagues with B teams? Do they just play the games but don’t actually take a promotion or relegation spot? Do fans of these clubs actually turn up to watch their B teams?

It varies. Generally not allowed in the same league as the parent club. Doesn't look like it.

https://www.goalprofits.com/football-club-b-teams/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 08:01:38
This old chestnut again

It’s never gonna happen, even if COVID caused 20 clubs to go bust I still don’t think it would happen.

Just my gut feeling on the matter


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 08:29:13
They've been trying for ages and COVID could give them the opportunity to make the excuses that might just make it happen, whether or not those excuses are valid. I bet some of them just can't wait for a few to go under so they can use it to their advantage.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 08:36:56
Be nice if the premier league disappeared and had no relation to the football league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 08:38:46
Ozil saves Gunnersaurus!! (Or, offers to.)

"I was so sad that Jerry Quy aka our famous & loyal mascot @Gunnersaurus
 and integral part of our club was being made redundant after 27 years. As such, I’m offering to reimburse @Arsenal
 with the full salary of our big green guy as long as I will be an Arsenal player..."
https://twitter.com/MesutOzil1088/status/1313486087181021190

Actually what he's offered to do there is pay his wages until January isn't it?


Seen it suggested that its going to cost Ozil £80k a year to do this, even taking into account on costs what the fuck are they paying that sort of money for a mascot?

I thus suspect this to be bollocks!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 08:58:24
Seen it suggested that its going to cost Ozil £80k a year to do this, even taking into account on costs what the fuck are they paying that sort of money for a mascot?

I thus suspect this to be bollocks!
tbf, the guy who plays the mascot is actually a full time employee in the travel dept IIRC. Still think the £80k is bollocks though, even allowing for Employers' NI, benefits etc and all the other associated costs of employment


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: luckyluke699 on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 10:16:42
tbf, the guy who plays the mascot is actually a full time employee in the travel dept IIRC. Still think the £80k is bollocks though, even allowing for Employers' NI, benefits etc and all the other associated costs of employment

Agree, though this is against a backdrop of Ozil's reported £350K p/w wages, and as such how little difference £40k vs £80k would impact Ozil; literally a 1/2 day vs a whole day at work :eek:

Given £471p/w is the average UK wage (ONS 2020), an equivalent for you or I would be donating around £50-£100 or so out of our own pockets, for each year we remain employed.

For that level of publicity and support, it's an incredibly smart move he's made, though I may just be being sceptical  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, October 8, 2020, 10:28:21
He does have to watch Arsenal though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:03:32
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:20:12
Seems very reasonable in return for the bailout, and an end to parachute payments is great.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:32:04
Main issue is pretty much giving the top 6 power over the whole of English football. The finances in the short term would save clubs but do you really trust the pl to not use their new found powers to force through B teams, withdraw the finances that are being offered now etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:05:53
Main issue is pretty much giving the top 6 power over the whole of English football. The finances in the short term would save clubs but do you really trust the pl to not use their new found powers to force through B teams, withdraw the finances that are being offered now etc.
I don't think EFL clubs will have much say in this process.  Beggars can't be choosers.  The short term is pretty existential for the individual clubs sadly.

You are right that the issue for us is the medium term.  Forcing through B teams, scooping all young talent and loaning it out to the minnows etc.

For the Big 6, it's a forerunner to them joining an expanded Champions League to the diminishment of the PL itself.  It may yet take one hell of a battle to get this past the likes of Leeds, Villa, Newcastle etc never mind others outside the Big 6 + Everton, Southampton and a third PL ever present (WHU?)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:17:08
Here’s one view.

‘Worse even than expected. To be clear, this is the effective privatisation of the Premier League, with the top flight of English football passing into the hands of the Big 6. This is an abomination.

Disaster capitalism on steroids doesn't even begin to cover it. In return for passing some of their ill-gotten gains back to the rest of football, they convert their de facto running of the game into permanent control of it.

With these changes, anything they wanted would follow. Set up a Euro League but want to keep teams in the PL? Approved. B Teams in the league? Approved.

I previously described allowing B Teams in the EFL Trophy as like a rabbit offering to bite off its own leg if the fox would only agree not to kill it.

These proposals are akin to a loan shark agreeing to pay your mortgage in return for a lifetime of domestic servitude.

Rick Parry is not acting in the best interests of the pyramid and should be fired.

I can't think of any sports where a small group of clubs have this much power. Think of the leagues where a small number of clubs exercise disproportionate levels of influence - Barca/Real, Celtic/Rangers, Juve. Are these healthy leagues? What if that control was formalised?

It is not hyperbolic to say that this would be the end of English football as we know it.

PS: without even abusing these powers, the extra value of being a club that has special status means that nine club owners would immediately see an increase in the value of their asset that dwarfed the size of the bailout. They will own the Premier League and make a profit on it.’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:31:48
What’s the reason for cutting it from 20 to 18 teams?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:41:39
Less games, bigger share of the filthy lucre.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:43:31
To get it in line with most of the other top European leagues

Not that I’m too fussed about international football but our top players play too many games, they are often knackered by the time a major tournament comes around in the summer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:52:42
I mean the league cup thing, I know it’s traditional etc, even more so because Town have won it, but it is pretty shit now isn’t it?
As much as this is all for the Premier Leagues benefit, they’ve definitely had worse ideas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 13:57:13
Would many be bothered if the PL became a closed shop? As long as there is still a sufficient incentive for winning the Championship other than promotion to the PL.

My preferred option would be for the so called ‘big 6’ to fuck off entirely to a European Super League and leave the rest of us to get back to some sort of pre-PL pyramid.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 14:04:40
It won’t become a closed shop, don’t know why people keep banging on about this, this has never happened anywhere else.

As per Quaggy, these rumoured proposals make sense compared to some of the guff that’s been proposed over the years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 14:54:40
Absolutely repugnant proposals that must be stopped.

Its the top 6' fault the League cup has been devalued to the point that people are almost resigned to scrap it. Who gives a flying fuck what other European countries do?

Reducing the number of teams in the league. The top clubs will play the same number of games as they do now, either from european matches, or luxury international friendlies. They just want to play more of the games that make them more money.

Allowing the big six is also effectively allowing them to make all decisions for the premier league. Why the fuck are Everton/Southampton and West Ham allowed into the club of 9. What about premier league winners Leicester? Or Newcastle who have more season there than Man City. Its the beginning of the end. Its these 6 clubs deciding the future of english football while they all chase more money to spend on more crap players.

They are attempting to take control of the entire EFL at the point the EFL is most in need. The fact Parry supports it is a complete disgrace and he should be removed from his position immediately.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 15:04:17
Would many be bothered if the PL became a closed shop? As long as there is still a sufficient incentive for winning the Championship other than promotion to the PL.

My preferred option would be for the so called ‘big 6’ to fuck off entirely to a European Super League and leave the rest of us to get back to some sort of pre-PL pyramid.

Me too.

In a few years time they’ll reduce it to 16, then 14 etc and focus on an expanded Euro league. The greedy bastards at the top can fuck off as far as I’m concerned. Time for the FA and EFL to grow a pair, end promotion to the PL, accept no relegated clubs from the PL, do TV deals with terrestrial stations, create a national league with four divisions, have 4 up 4 down automatically (no play offs), keep FA and League Cups, England players selected from EFL clubs only. And as a bonus, expel Franchise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 15:09:26
Me too.

In a few years time they’ll reduce it to 16, then 14 etc and focus on an expanded Euro league. The greedy bastards at the top can fuck off as far as I’m concerned. Time for the FA and EFL to grow a pair, end promotion to the PL, accept no relegated clubs from the PL, do TV deals with terrestrial stations, create a national league with four divisions, have 4 up 4 down automatically (no play offs), keep FA and League Cups, England players selected from EFL clubs only. And as a bonus, expel Franchise.

Definitely some things I agree with there but that is the icing on the cake  :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mr Stevens on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 16:20:16
Fuck off the Big 6/9 and let them play endless round-robin matches and meaningless Europa League matches. Leave the rest of us in the Football League (without Parry) and we might get more interesting football.

It won't happen but it's nice to contemplate it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 16:59:47
What’s the reason for cutting it from 20 to 18 teams?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8828109/Manchester-United-Liverpool-driving-forces-Project-Big-Picture-huge-shake-up.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 17:48:55
Need to consider all this in more detail, but initial impressions - it’s not perfect (for example, you’d have to ringfence the aid provided to FL clubs so that cowboy chairmen don’t pocket it and do a runner, or allow the aid to be a magnet for even more of those types in the game) but it’s not as bad as people are making out, and may just save the EFL. The main grumble is if this is the thin end of the wedge, and the power grab is used as an abuse for the Top 6, but is that not better than a series of clubs going under?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 18:48:36
A lot of people seem to be assuming that any money from the Premier League would be distributed fairly within the EFL. It wouldn't. Currently Championship clubs take 80% of the central money from the EFL, unless that changes, this would benefit the very wealthiest clubs in the Premier League and might help some in the Championship but it would just serve to widen even further the gaping chasm between L1/L2 and the Championship which is already in danger of becoming a bigger jump than the gap between the Championship and the PL. This looks a lot like Premiership 2, with L1 and L2 left to wither and die.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, October 11, 2020, 21:09:25
That’s why this needs more detail. If it is coming with the justification (with obvious baggage) of acting as a form of aid for lower league clubs, that has to genuinely benefit lower league clubs. We just don’t know yet. I don’t like the idea of there being a power grab, but the PL has so little
(positive) influence at our level, I couldn’t really care.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, October 12, 2020, 15:48:38
EFL chief exec quits after only 6 months due to frustrations over covid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 13:19:00
FSA's view on Project Big Six Get All The Power And Money: "a sugar-coated cyanide pill"

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/project-big-picture-a-sugar-coated-cyanide-pill/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 13:26:44
The Thoughts of Chairman Olly...well worth a listen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08v2zsf

Holloway: "Greed is disgusting, and that’s what I’m seeing everywhere. It’s absolutely vile."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 21:46:36
The more I think about Project Big Six, the more I think aside from the restricted voting power grab (and that's a massive caveat), I could probably live with the bad stuff if it means the start of a better redistribution of TV money. As Frigby says, you'd need safeguards around that like protections from the Steve Dales etc, and you'd need concrete guarantees that two years down the line the Big Six couldn't just pull the rug on the redistribution and revert back to 8% from 25%. For me, I'd also want to see a restructuring of the distribution within the EFL, so more like 50% Championship, and 25% each to L1 and L2, than the current 75-80% to the Championship. But I suspect the restricted voting is a non-negotiable and that runs the risk of all the goodies being withdrawn a few years down the line at the whim of Joel Glazer and John Henry.

I can certainly see why reportedly 90% of EFL clubs are in favour though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 08:00:10
Two simultaneuous threads on this, but I agree Paul.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 08:32:10
Two simultaneuous threads on this, but I agree Paul.
Yeah, sorry, I posted a change of heart thing here as this is where Project BP was first mentioned and the other thread seemed to be a bit more about the bailout than PBP per se. What I'd add in this thread is your recommendation of the Chapman and Ornstein podcast discussion of the topic, very measured and with some well-informed guests talking knowledgeably about a subject they actually know a lot about. So the diametric opposite of most football pods (Loathed Strangers aside, natch). Very much well worth a listen, it played a large part in shifting me form my original knee-jerk to a more nuanced thinking about it all.

The relevant episode's here if people want to listen to it:

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9zR2FhOVhVag/episode/NmYzZWRiMTAtMDI3Ny0xMWViLWE5MGMtN2ZiMzYxYWZjNWEz


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 09:17:11
Inn regards to the 'power' aspect, anyone care tob explain the immediate cons of the 'big 6' proposal on the EFL.

for example, does it allow direct meddling  in EFL matters/structure (parachute payments aside)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 09:18:27
next mind, I think Panda explains it in the other thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 12:18:52
Sky now reporting plans to channel some of the money from the PL pay per view games have been scrapped due to the fall out of project big picture


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 12:37:29
Sky now reporting plans to channel some of the money from the PL pay per view games have been scrapped due to the fall out of project big picture

Project Bollocks was only ever going to be a starting point for negotiations, it as something like the 17th iteration of the plan and was leaked into the public domain, its basically the same as the government constantly briefing via the Telegraph to see what they think the public will put up with.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:22:25
Sky now reporting plans to channel some of the money from the PL pay per view games have been scrapped due to the fall out of project big picture
That's just a "See what happens? See what happens when you fuck with us?" tantrum from the PL hierarchy pissed off with Parry's involvement in this. Quite pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 13:39:39
The thing is its being suggested that the majority of FL chairman are broadly in support of it, whilst the PL chairman (bar the top 6) are not, so could be some rather interesting electioneering coming up!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 29, 2020, 09:35:15
Taken from https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54727569

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich paid £247m into the club in the 2018-19 season but they still made an overall loss of £96.6m.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 2, 2020, 15:17:31
https://twitter.com/MundialMag/status/1323262645932273665?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, November 2, 2020, 15:30:33
https://twitter.com/MundialMag/status/1323262645932273665?s=20

 :noway: :blowup:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, November 2, 2020, 15:32:41
To clarify, I have no problem with Bovril doing this but doing it alongside FGR I do


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, November 2, 2020, 18:20:57
To clarify, I have no problem with Bovril doing this but doing it alongside FGR I do

Inclined to agree. Love a good Bovril and Beet Bovril would be a nice stock based salty drink too. FVR though...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 2, 2020, 18:23:08
Bovril crisps for me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 2, 2020, 18:30:54
Personally I think it’s a brilliant bit of marketing/PR by both club and company. Which given my meaty background may come as a surprise to some. I see it as similar to alcohol free beer, clearly a market for it, whether it establishes itself in the grocery market is another thing. You wouldn’t have out of choice would you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, November 2, 2020, 18:45:13
No you're correct, the marketing is great it is all a great fit and I would certainly buy a jar. I think it's just because it's FVR or should I say, it's linked to an owner of a club who talks about making diamonds from the sky...Yes Dale - it's called LSD.

On a serious note, I think it's a good idea. Just Vince is a cunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/30/ecotricity-founder-to-grow-diamonds-made-entirely-from-the-sky


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 2, 2020, 19:58:56
To clarify, I have no problem with Bovril doing this but doing it alongside FGR I do
Personally I have no problem with FGR doing this but anything involving beetroot is fucking horrible


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, November 2, 2020, 20:03:14
Personally I have no problem with FGR doing this but anything involving beetroot is fucking horrible

You haven't lived  Paul  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 12:59:32
Not sure about wrong but this is quite interesting (albeit a bit Fast Show at times) and just shows the gulf even between L1 and Championship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYZTR4Dihs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 12, 2020, 17:46:16
How come our games were called off for Covid yet Burton have to play with . . .

Six players tested positive.
Six players self isolating.
Five staff test positive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 12, 2020, 18:06:12
How come our games were called off for Covid yet Burton have to play with . . .

Six players tested positive.
Six players self isolating.
Five staff test positive.

Because we contacted Public Health England who over ruled the EFL/FA and all the other useless twat bodies who milk that game and ruin it for the paying masses. Fuck me I sound like a socialist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 12, 2020, 18:06:33
How come our games were called off for Covid yet Burton have to play with . . .

Six players tested positive.
Six players self isolating.
Five staff test positive.

Because we made more of an effort to have it called off than they did?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 12, 2020, 19:08:10
I just don’t understand why there are no standard rules about postponing a game due to Covid. Hardly seems fair on Burton.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 12, 2020, 19:47:45
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
I just don’t understand why there are no standard rules about postponing a game due to Covid. Hardly seems fair on Burton.

absolutely agree


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 12, 2020, 22:04:38
Indeed, and shows up the general incompetence in football administration.  First responsibility must be to the safety of players, employees and fans of all clubs within the membership.  I get a bit of a scramble when it kicked off in Feb/Mar, but 8 months later the administrators should have clear guidance and rules in place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 11:42:48
Not football per se, but just what the fuck is going on with people nowadays

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bbc-football-pundit-steve-thompson-23082063


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 11:51:08
Not football per se, but just what the fuck is going on with people nowadays

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bbc-football-pundit-steve-thompson-23082063

Sorry but that’s ridiculous. ‘Handbags’ is an age old way of describing when players are squaring up to each other. The fact that people are actually offended and complaining about this really is ridiculous. Where do we stop with this nonsense?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 11:52:10
Does this mean that we can no longer show old episodes of Shooting Stars anymore as Vic and Bob holding up handbags can cause offence?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 11:58:54
rediculous isn't it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 11:59:35
Ban that Stereophonics song, too. And Lady Bracknell

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyuoUwxCLMs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:41:31
Not football per se, but just what the fuck is going on with people nowadays

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bbc-football-pundit-steve-thompson-23082063
Show them a couple of episodes of 'In Sickness & in Health '  and see what they make of that !!!.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:43:42
Sorry but that’s ridiculous. ‘Handbags’ is an age old way of describing when players are squaring up to each other. The fact that people are actually offended and complaining about this really is ridiculous. Where do we stop with this nonsense?
Yep too many fucking snowflakes taking offence at everything. Fucking pricks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:47:38
What a sanitised shitty world we live in these days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:47:48
Yep too many fucking snowflakes taking offence at everything. Fucking pricks.

Not football related but I read that the BBC had upheld 2 complaints that had been received after they were offended at some dwarf jokes by Jack Whitehall on Live at the Apollo.

If this escalates anymore comedy is going to be very bland so as not to offend anyone!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:50:49
Panto season will be crap too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:51:24
Panto season will be crap too.

Oh No it won't .........


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:51:41
Panto season will be crap too.

Oh no it isn't....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:51:53
On No it won't .........
Beaten to it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:53:00
 :D :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 12:55:41
Call me cynical but we have a government desperate to provoke the idea that there is some sort of culture war going on as they realise its about the only thing they have at the moment which gains traction, where support is draining due to events in the country...

We have a new BBC hierarchy with very close links to the governing party, it's all to convenient.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 13:44:26
Not football related but I read that the BBC had upheld 2 complaints that had been received after they were offended at some dwarf jokes by Jack Whitehall on Live at the Apollo.

If this escalates anymore comedy is going to be very bland so as not to offend anyone!
And there’s a dwarf shortage


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 13:52:49
And there’s a dwarf shortage

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 14:08:41
Not football related but I read that the BBC had upheld 2 complaints that had been received after they were offended at some dwarf jokes by Jack Whitehall on Live at the Apollo.

If this escalates anymore comedy is going to be very bland so as not to offend anyone!

I know what you mean but not convinced Jack Whitehall is the best example of boundary pushing comedy that needs defending ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, November 28, 2020, 15:05:01
Call me cynical but we have a government desperate to provoke the idea that there is some sort of culture war going on as they realise its about the only thing they have at the moment which gains traction, where support is draining due to events in the country...

We have a new BBC hierarchy with very close links to the governing party, it's all to convenient.

I had similar thoughts. It's all light air in a Louis Vuitton.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 17:27:03
Quote from: BBC Football
Millwall's home Championship game with Derby County was overshadowed by some fans booing players taking a knee.

It is the first time supporters have been allowed into The Den this season, following the lifting of the second national lockdown on 2 December.

The boos rang out as the two teams took a knee before kick-off in a game which Wayne Rooney's Rams won 1-0.

Shameful, find them and ban them for life.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 17:28:33
Disgusting from their fans
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9021343/Millwall-fans-BOO-players-knee-ahead-Championship-clash-Derby.html



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 17:31:58
Shouldn't be too hard to find them when there are 2k socially distanced fans in the stadium, all of whom had to pre-register, should it? If the club are serious about tackling it, then it should be a whole lot easier than when it's a full house.

I'm sure we'll see the usual guff about it being anti-marxist from people who couldn't tell you what a Marxist is if they were dressed as a copy of Das Kapital.

Eyebrows not exactly un-raised at the Daily Mail attempting some pearl clutching over it mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 18:02:08
Millwall fans in "acting like cunts" shock


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 18:05:26
Millwall fans in "acting like cunts" shock

That goes to show even their season ticket holders are a bunch of cunts and can't blame it on the floating fans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 18:17:40
Notwithstanding those Millwall fans being cunts, whether to continue to kneel is a bit of an awkward dilemma. If you have people doing that then I guess that kind of makes the decision for you, it has to keep going, but when do you stop? When racism is eradicated?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, December 5, 2020, 23:27:45
Happened at Colchester too apparently
https://twitter.com/Ckharriott/status/1335322945737138179?s=19


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 10:53:23
Happened at Colchester too apparently
https://twitter.com/Ckharriott/status/1335322945737138179?s=19

Even if fans or anybody in life dosen't agree with it I don't get why they would Boo🤔


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 11:43:17

Isn't it time taking the knee was taken away from football?
Do we support any other political party, veterans association or charities in this manner?
The movement is now called Black Liberation Movement. (Who knew that?)
Priti Patel labeled them as thugs during BLM marches earlier in the year after injuring many police during their protests.
Let's get back to football where black players seem to be doing ok.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 11:47:33

Priti Patel labeled them as thugs

So?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 11:51:11
So?

Much the same as Millwall fans then


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 12:10:50
Isn't it time taking the knee was taken away from football?


Why? Has the oppression stopped?

Priti Patel labeled them as thugs during BLM marches earlier in the year after injuring many police during their protests.


Which tells me that maybe they're doing something right.





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TownEnder on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:07:46
Isn't it time taking the knee was taken away from football?
Do we support any other political party, veterans association or charities in this manner?
The movement is now called Black Liberation Movement. (Who knew that?)
Priti Patel labeled them as thugs during BLM marches earlier in the year after injuring many police during their protests.
Let's get back to football where black players seem to be doing ok.


Agree 100%. At the end of the day ALL Lives Matter, but kneeling does nothing.
But where does racism stop/start ?,  Had a movement started called 'White Lives matter' surely that would have been classed as racist.  Black players have contributed enormously to our leagues in recent years, and long may it continue, however how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?, this is the reason fans are starting to protest, enough is enough, lets just get back to football whatever the colour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:15:28
Agree 100%. At the end of the day ALL Lives Matter, but kneeling does nothing.
But where does racism stop/start ?,  Had a movement started called 'White Lives matter' surely that would have been classed as racist.  Black players have contributed enormously to our leagues in recent years, and long may it continue, however how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?, this is the reason fans are starting to protest, enough is enough, lets just get back to football whatever the colour.

Spot on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:38:51
how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?

You know when I first read your post I assumed you were some whinging, gammon-tinted middle-aged white man. But surely no-one could be so staggeringly unaware as to ask this question and not consider that perhaps Black/POC are more than just a little fed up of still facing racism, both implicit and explicit, in their daily lives.

Surely not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:43:40
Agree 100%. At the end of the day ALL Lives Matter, but kneeling does nothing.
But where does racism stop/start ?,  Had a movement started called 'White Lives matter' surely that would have been classed as racist.  Black players have contributed enormously to our leagues in recent years, and long may it continue, however how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?, this is the reason fans are starting to protest, enough is enough, lets just get back to football whatever the colour.

Jesus.  :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:44:59
Agree 100%. At the end of the day ALL Lives Matter, but kneeling does nothing.
But where does racism stop/start ?,  Had a movement started called 'White Lives matter' surely that would have been classed as racist.  Black players have contributed enormously to our leagues in recent years, and long may it continue, however how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?, this is the reason fans are starting to protest, enough is enough, lets just get back to football whatever the colour.

 :suicide:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:47:12
Thank fuck for the mute button


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:48:20
Agree 100%. At the end of the day ALL Lives Matter, but kneeling does nothing.
But where does racism stop/start ?,  Had a movement started called 'White Lives matter' surely that would have been classed as racist.  Black players have contributed enormously to our leagues in recent years, and long may it continue, however how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?, this is the reason fans are starting to protest, enough is enough, lets just get back to football whatever the colour.

If this is how far all the messaging has brought us over the last 40 years, you’re not close to hearing the end of it. Jeez.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 13:54:09
however how much longer must we have this racism thing rammed in our faces ?,

Jesus fucking christ. What an ignorant cunt you are!

Do you not think that maybe black people would like to stop having the 'racism thing' rammed in their faces as well? Maybe they should just go back into their place and be quiet about being killed and stuff, and why should the rest of us non-blacks care about the oppression and murder?

Fuckwit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TownEnder on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:13:28
Jesus fucking christ. What an ignorant cunt you are!

Do you not think that maybe black people would like to stop having the 'racism thing' rammed in their faces as well? Maybe they should just go back into their place and be quiet about being killed and stuff, and why should the rest of us non-blacks care about the oppression and murder?

Fuckwit.
Thank you for the compliments.
Racism will continue to fester whilst these organisations continue to complain about the past.  Yes, things have happened that should not have happened,  however racism now is much less than it was in the 70's. That is what I am trying to say.  We have come along way since then and we do not need reminding every time we watch a match. Black lives DO matter but there comes a time when people do get a little fed up with it continually being thrown at us.  Sorry if you don't agree with my comments.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:16:54
About the past and the present day*


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:22:44
Sadly TownEnders' views represent a large proportion of the population, particularly in rural areas. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:24:49
however racism now is much less than it was in the 70's. That is what I am trying to say. 

Oh, so that makes it OK then?

Let's just tell all these oppressed folks, and the people who have lost loved ones, know that they should settle down because it's better than it used to be.




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:28:44
Thank you for the compliments.
Racism will continue to fester whilst these organisations continue to complain about the past.  Yes, things have happened that should not have happened,  however racism now is much less than it was in the 70's.
While that might be arguable, it is also the case that racism is on the rise again and that open racists are feeling empowered to express their hatred again in the same terms heard in the 70s. If we don't want to go back there, these kinds of views must be challenged. Which is what "taking a knee" does, it is a way for players to say that that racist hatred has no part in the game or in life in general. It is a stand against racism. Booing a stand against racism puts those fans firmly in the camp of the racists.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:36:42
While that might be arguable, it is also the case that racism is on the rise again and that open racists are feeling empowered to express their hatred again in the same terms heard in the 70s. If we don't want to go back there, these kinds of views must be challenged. Which is what "taking a knee" does, it is a way for players to say that that racist hatred has no part in the game or in life in general. It is a stand against racism. Booing a stand against racism puts those fans firmly in the camp of the racists.

The football world wouldn't expect anything less from Millwall fans it's bred into them from an early age
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9023125/Gabby-Agbonlahor-reveals-racially-abused-12-year-old-Millwall-fan.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TownEnder on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:37:41
While that might be arguable, it is also the case that racism is on the rise again and that open racists are feeling empowered to express their hatred again in the same terms heard in the 70s. If we don't want to go back there, these kinds of views must be challenged. Which is what "taking a knee" does, it is a way for players to say that that racist hatred has no part in the game or in life in general. It is a stand against racism. Booing a stand against racism puts those fans firmly in the camp of the racists.
Very well put across and accept all you have said however, unacceptable as it is, does this not show that many people think it is now time to stop this kneeling before every game. Sooner or later it will have to stop and people are starting to think this has now run its course.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:43:58
Very well put across and accept all you have said however, unacceptable as it is, does this not show that many people think it is now time to stop this kneeling before every game.
No it shows there is still a massive problem with racism and racists in football. It shows the problem has not gone away and is getting worse if anything than it has been in recent times. Which makes it all the more important that we all take a stand against racists. And decide which side we are on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:50:36
The football world wouldn't expect anything less from Millwall fans it's bred into them from an early age
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9023125/Gabby-Agbonlahor-reveals-racially-abused-12-year-old-Millwall-fan.html

I am not sure that's necessarily correct.  A friend of mine from university supports Millwall and I have been to a few games with him. I met quite a few supporters who appeared perfectly rational/reasonable.

I would say the behaviour reflects the views of certain socio-economic groups.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:54:26
I am not sure that's necessarily correct.  A friend of mine from university supports Millwall and I have been to a few games with him. I met quite a few supporters who appeared perfectly rational/reasonable.

I would say the behaviour reflects the views of certain socio-economic groups.
I really hope you've just phrased that badly. If not, class prejudice can be as unpleasant, corrosive and damaging as racial prejudice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:55:07
But, frankly, it has become much more acceptable to express racist views across society in post Brexit Britain (as observed above).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:55:22
I am not sure that's necessarily correct.  A friend of mine from university supports Millwall and I have been to a few games with him. I met quite a few supporters who appeared perfectly rational/reasonable.

I would say the behaviour reflects the views of certain socio-economic groups.

Millwall fans don't help themselves and are never far way from controversy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 14:57:24
I really hope you've just phrased that badly. If not, class prejudice can be as unpleasant, corrosive and damaging as racial prejudice.

Just to assist you, I am very much working class.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:00:33
Very well put across and accept all you have said however, unacceptable as it is, does this not show that many people think it is now time to stop this kneeling before every game. Sooner or later it will have to stop and people are starting to think this has now run its course.

How has it run it's course - has it helped fix the problem?  If anything, yesterday suggested an escalation might be required.  I get to see it much more visibly over here, people are slightly less afraid of voicing such opinions publicly, which is very sad.  Fortunately people don't just go "oh well, we tried to gain equality, but everyone seems disinterested".  Maybe the Millwall players could walk off the pitch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:00:56
Just to assist you, I am very much working class.
Very pleased for you. Some of Nigel Farage's best friends are, I'm sure, black. My point stands. And I wholly agree with your next post - racism isn't just a problem in "certain socio-economic groups", although it's often a convenient divide and rule tactic for some at the top of the food chain.
But, frankly, it has become much more acceptable to express racist views across society in post Brexit Britain (as observed above).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:03:33
Millwall fans don't help themselves and are never far way from controversy

They do go on about "no one likes us, no one like us, we don't care etc" and seem to enjoy that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:05:10
They do go on about "no one likes us, no one like us, we don't care etc" and seem to enjoy that.

Ask anyone whose been there over the years including the old den and they will tell you it's not a nice experience


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:07:30
Very pleased for you. Some of Nigel Farage's best friends are, I'm sure, black. My point stands. And I wholly agree with your next post - racism isn't just a problem in "certain socio-economic groups", although it's often a convenient divide and rule tactic for some at the top of the food chain.

I've been to a few Millwall games and sat with home fans.  That informs some of my views.  

As you also observe, I know very well that racism exists everywhere.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:10:08
I've been to a few Millwall games and sat with home fans.  That informs some of my views.  

As you also observe, I know very well that racism exists everywhere.

From an away fans experience it's a completely different experience


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:12:25
The behaviour at Millwall yesterday was reprehensible if unsurprising given what happened in the FA cup tie a year or two ago.

However all clubs have their share of racist morons within their fan base - sadly, STFC is no exception, as has been demonstrated by some on this thread.
We still have a long way to go to eradicate racism in the UK, and this Government actively encourage it with their jingoistic nonsense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:14:53
From an away fans experience it's a completely different experience

Yeah I have heard many stories about the F Troop and the Bushwhackers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:17:45
Yeah I have heard many stories about the F Troop and the Bushwhackers.

To be fair they've done up the surrounding area but you wouldn't want to get lost near the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wgnk1DU_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpoupgzT0dc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:49:42
I have met loads of 'Wall fans and they are all decent blokes TBF.

But they do revell in their reputation and are all a bit "wide boy" and gobby.

Hated going to the old Den though, horrible place down Cold Blow Lane.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:52:56
The New Den is relatively safe going by train and you are aware on everything going on around you.

The Old Den however, one of my scariest grounds to visit.
Remember an FACup game where we were 2-1 down and scored 2 in the last 15 mins. When the winner went in was like putting your hand in a wasp nest. Bermondsey had truly woken up :)

Despite this they also have some decent fans as well.

I was once falsely accused and nearly  arrested by BR transport police for smashing a train window as the train left Swindon station against Millwall. The train guard falsely accusing me of smashing it, however it was clearly obvious that part of the brick was next to my foot. Ohh the delight when a burly Millwall fan was defending me to the guard, it wasn’t Facking Millwalll. Luckily the driver acknowledged that local Swindon fans had “bricked” the train and how could I say to the Millwall fan that I was Swindon :) Didcot station couldn’t come soon enough and after leaving my details I left the train thinking another close shave Supporting Swindon.
I didn’t even call the guard a cant. :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 15:56:43
I have met loads of 'Wall fans and they are all decent blokes TBF.

But they do revell in their reputation and are all a bit "wide boy" and gobby.

Hated going to the old Den though, horrible place down Cold Blow Lane.

I work with one whose followed them for 30+ years and he's a decent guy but he will openly talk about the idiots that support them and how dangerous it is for away fans if you make your own way to the ground rather than by coach or along the protected path from Bermondsey station


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 16:56:08
While that might be arguable, it is also the case that racism is on the rise again (pauld)

Proof please !

I thought BLM was all about police brutality in the USA, what has it got to to with football in England?

A 57 year old man(caucasian) was shot dead by a policeman in Swindon. I do not see much of an uproar over that.

Perhaps if Flashheart lived in the UK he might be a little better informed.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:01:32
I think it's the white straight men who are the real victims in modern society


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:23:48
I thought BLM was all about police brutality in the USA, what has it got to to with football in England?

It's to do with highlighting racism and inequality. Football is full of racism, hence football.

A 57 year old man(caucasian) was shot dead by a policeman in Swindon. I do not see much of an uproar over that.

What does this have to do with racism?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Stef Troll on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:28:26
It's to do with highlighting racism and inequality. Football is full of racism, hence football.

What does this have to do with racism?

If it was a white policeman shooting a black person it would make national news.  If a white policeman shoots a white person there isn’t such a big fuss.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:30:49
Having been watching football from the early 80’s I’d say there is far less racism these days. Back then bananas would be thrown onto the pitch at black players along with monkey chanting etc. I’m not saying racism has been eradicated but it does not exist like it once did, I certainly haven’t seen an increase of it in our country. The FA and FL both run anti racism campaigns which I fully applaud. The Kneeling thing has run its course, kneeling before every game would be like having a 2 minutes silence before every game for Remembrance Day etc. My personal opinion is that linking the death of an American career criminal to football was wrong in the first place and just another way for Sky to grab media attention globally.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:32:09
People on here are blinkered to what is happening in our country.
I recommend that a view of Alex Belfield on Youtube could be of assistance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:34:18
If it was a white policeman shooting a black person it would make national news. 

Which in the current climate is both expected and justified.

If a white policeman shoots a white person there isn’t such a big fuss.

Probably would, maybe not in such a big way. It's incredibly unlikely to cause much fuss about the oppression and discrimination the poor white man suffered in the course of being shot. Unless the Waxy Lemon needs money that is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:37:17
Just a brief Google tells you he's a far right sensationalist cunt.
https://twitter.com/celebrityradio/status/1335325025273049097

Don't think i'll be watching any of his Youtube videos, thanks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:39:41
You will be watching The Vicar Of Dibley at Christmas then   :D

 O and BTW lets defund the police as wished for by BLM



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:41:12
The trouble is with this country, we started to fight racism, got part way there and got so busy patting ourselves on the back aboutwhat a sterling job we were doing, we never finished the job.

People on here are blinkered to what is happening in our country.
I recommend that a view of Alex Belfield on Youtube could be of assistance.

 :eekout:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 17:45:13
The trouble is with this country, we started to fight racism, got part way there and got so busy patting ourselves on the back aboutwhat a sterling job we were doing, we never finished the job.

 :eekout:

Wrong. We now have affirmative action in many cases.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 18:09:58
Wrong. We now have affirmative action in many cases.

Great logic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 18:10:06
Wrong. We now have affirmative action in many cases.

Such as?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 18:10:41
People on here are blinkered to what is happening in our country.
I recommend that a view of Alex Belfield on Youtube could be of assistance.

Alex is a twat. He's from my neck of the woods and know of him. A lot of people even in Nottingham think he's a shit stirring prick; and that is also being nice by North Notts standard.

Anyone, even if they were decent or nice that calls themselves "The Voice of Reason" deserves a slap with a very large kipper.

Edit: He's basically a UK version of a wannabe Alex Jones. Oh what an aspiration!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 18:16:39
At least his rants are shorter than yours   :D

Alex Jones from The One Show I presume


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 19:39:03
This thread could be renamed 'What's wrong with Britain' judging by the last few pages of it.  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 21:30:32
While that might be arguable, it is also the case that racism is on the rise again (pauld)

Proof please !
https://www.statista.com/statistics/536448/police-recorded-racial-hate-crime-in-england-and-wales/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5

https://natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2017/september/new-report-uncovers-extent-of-racial-prejudice-in-britain/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/15/hate-crimes-double-six-years-transphobic-abuse-recording-biggest/

https://www.strath.ac.uk/humanities/schoolofsocialworksocialpolicy/newsevents/racismontherise/

https://www.opinium.com/racism-rising-since-brexit-vote/

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/chinese-students-uk-report-increased-racism-and-discrimination

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-16/itv-poll-finds-77-per-cent-of-black-people-have-been-racially-abused

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-22/east-asian-british-community-calls-for-inquiry-following-three-fold-increase-in-hate-crimes-since-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/13/crimes-linked-to-race-and-religion-rise-in-england-and-wales





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 21:40:40
Pfffft. You can prove anything with facts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, December 6, 2020, 22:51:50
Don't be all up in here with all them whatyamacallitthingymabob facts Paul. You know that's not how it works. You just have to shout loudest. FACT!

Anyway, what's wrong with football? Quite a fucking lot, not on the quiet and pretty close to our own club at present.

I'm sure it's been done on here but have we compiled an Absolute Calamity STFC XI or Faux Pro STFC XI on here (more specifically a 2010 to 2020 based one) at all?

Would be best if it included players that quite clearly shouldn't be Pros but have somehow blagged a wage as one. Actual Pros may also be included but the more randomers that have rolled up to Town would be a better fit. Also Perms only not loans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 7, 2020, 08:41:07
https://www.statista.com/statistics/536448/police-recorded-racial-hate-crime-in-england-and-wales/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5

https://natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2017/september/new-report-uncovers-extent-of-racial-prejudice-in-britain/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/15/hate-crimes-double-six-years-transphobic-abuse-recording-biggest/

https://www.strath.ac.uk/humanities/schoolofsocialworksocialpolicy/newsevents/racismontherise/

https://www.opinium.com/racism-rising-since-brexit-vote/

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/chinese-students-uk-report-increased-racism-and-discrimination

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-16/itv-poll-finds-77-per-cent-of-black-people-have-been-racially-abused

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-22/east-asian-british-community-calls-for-inquiry-following-three-fold-increase-in-hate-crimes-since-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/13/crimes-linked-to-race-and-religion-rise-in-england-and-wales





And we're still waiting for examples of affirmative action.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Monday, December 7, 2020, 08:55:58
https://www.statista.com/statistics/536448/police-recorded-racial-hate-crime-in-england-and-wales/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-018-0214-5

https://natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2017/september/new-report-uncovers-extent-of-racial-prejudice-in-britain/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/15/hate-crimes-double-six-years-transphobic-abuse-recording-biggest/

https://www.strath.ac.uk/humanities/schoolofsocialworksocialpolicy/newsevents/racismontherise/

https://www.opinium.com/racism-rising-since-brexit-vote/

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/chinese-students-uk-report-increased-racism-and-discrimination

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-16/itv-poll-finds-77-per-cent-of-black-people-have-been-racially-abused

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-22/east-asian-british-community-calls-for-inquiry-following-three-fold-increase-in-hate-crimes-since-coronavirus-pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/13/crimes-linked-to-race-and-religion-rise-in-england-and-wales





Ta


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 7, 2020, 08:57:26
PaulD media  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 7, 2020, 09:12:56
Ta

And we're still waiting for examples of affirmative action.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Monday, December 7, 2020, 10:10:48
What's that... the racist is full of shit. Well I never.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 7, 2020, 10:23:31
"Honest" Lee.

Fuck off mate, you're a cunt. And not in a nice way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Monday, December 7, 2020, 10:25:28
Ironically, his profile says "The only thing that ever matters is to love and to be loved".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, December 7, 2020, 10:40:32
Thought this was pretty good from the Colchester chairman

https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2020/december/club-statement/

For those struggling with the concept behind taking a knee, this bit explains it (clue: nothing to do with "Marxism")

"Callum Harriot described the purpose of the gesture perfectly to me explaining that taking the knee dates back to early civil rights movements as a way of silently showing solidarity in support of political inequalities suffered by oppressed communities.

Those that take the knee want to highlight that all lives should be valued and should not be treated inhumanely or inferior to others just because of their race."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 7, 2020, 10:58:58
A good article about Millwall:
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-taking-the-knee-is-not-just-an-empty-gesture-it-never-was-1.4429248

Saturday’s events triggered plentiful hot takes defending the booing as the correct response to the hectoring of the wokescolds. Not many of these reckoned with the words of Millwall defender Mahlon Romeo, who told the South London Press : “What they’ve done is booed and condemned a peaceful gesture which was put in place to highlight, combat and stop any discriminatory behaviour and racism. That’s it – that’s all that gesture is. And the fans have chosen to boo that, which for the life of me I can’t understand. It has offended me and everyone who works for this club – the players and the staff... This is the first time I feel disrespected. Because you have booed and condemned a peaceful gesture which – and it needs repeating – was put in place to highlight, combat and tackle any discriminatory behaviour and racism in general. I’m almost lost for words.”


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:04:13
People on here are blinkered to what is happening in our country.
I recommend that a view of Alex Belfield on Youtube could be of assistance.

Fucking hell, this reminds me of a 15 year old me. What a cock.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:11:44

Perhaps if Flashheart lived in the UK he might be a little better informed.


Are you a bit dim or something?

How would my location make a difference?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:15:47
Bad wifi connection?   :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:37:48
There appear to be a baffling number of people with such views.

it comes through even from relatives and friends in Facebook posts/share

I don't know how you deal with that. I really don't


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:50:16
There appear to be a baffling number of people with such views.

it comes through even from relatives and friends in Facebook posts/share

I don't know how you deal with that. I really don't

One of the reasons that I don't use Facebook anymore.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, December 7, 2020, 11:58:09
One of the most baffling things about all this kerfuffle is that the players are only kneeling for a few moments. That is all they are doing.

Their action does nothing to anybody else's life if they don't want it to. Zero. Nobody is telling you how to live your life or what to do in any way shape or form - other than putting up with the horrendous inconvenience of having to watch people kneel down for a few seconds. Nobody is even making you kneel if you don't want to. Just fucking ignore it and it will make absolutely zero difference to you. Nada. Fucking zilch.

At the same time, it is in support of a movement that is trying to make a very significant positive difference to the lives of many. It's fucking bizarre that people would complain about it considering what it stands for.

Innocent people are oppressed and even killed. LITERALLY. But some would rather moan about some other people kneeling down for a little while.

Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 7, 2020, 12:02:44
indeed. well said.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Monday, December 7, 2020, 12:15:13

Saturday’s events triggered plentiful hot takes defending the booing as the correct response to the hectoring of the wokescolds. Not many of these reckoned with the words of Millwall defender Mahlon Romeo, who told the South London Press : “What they’ve done is booed and condemned a peaceful gesture which was put in place to highlight, combat and stop any discriminatory behaviour and racism. That’s it – that’s all that gesture is. And the fans have chosen to boo that, which for the life of me I can’t understand. It has offended me and everyone who works for this club – the players and the staff... This is the first time I feel disrespected. Because you have booed and condemned a peaceful gesture which – and it needs repeating – was put in place to highlight, combat and tackle any discriminatory behaviour and racism in general. I’m almost lost for words.”

That absolutely hits the nail on the head for me, and I say that as someone who has issues with a lot of the views held by BLM activists. It's not hard to guess how those same people booing would react if others dared to boo the Remembrance Day silence for example.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 7, 2020, 12:45:29
^^^^^ like at Notts county, when the "Toomeh Robinson" lot had a bit of a chant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Honest Lee on Monday, December 7, 2020, 14:52:13
There appear to be a baffling number of people with such views.

it comes through even from relatives and friends in Facebook posts/share

I don't know how you deal with that. I really don't

So everyone should share your views then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, December 7, 2020, 15:03:42
So everyone should share your views then!

He didn't say that. But society would be a nicer place if they did.

Wrong. We now have affirmative action in many cases.

We're still awaiting for proof of this affirmative action you speak of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, December 7, 2020, 15:05:05
I can't speak for Batch but my heart used* to sink whenever somebody I'm related to or have known for years posted racist nonsense.

* I barely use Facebook now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, December 7, 2020, 15:44:55
I can't speak for Batch but my heart used* to sink whenever somebody I'm related to or have known for years posted racist nonsense.

* I barely use Facebook now.

U ok hun?  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:03:55
Quote from: Honest Lee
everyone should share your views then!

in general no, and it's quite clear that many don't.

I just don't get some people's views in this context, taking the knee. I don't get the booing, etc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:13:12
At what stage of the game are these players kneeling down? As far as I'm aware the teams come out, warm up, the captains shake hands, have a chat with the ref then the game starts. Does it take the form of a minutes silence?
Genuine question as I can't remember the last time I saw a match or took much notice of what goes on pre kick off :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:15:02
ref blows his whistle at kick off, they kneel for 10 seconds, ref blows his whistle again and they kick off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:18:01
Ta.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:24:51
ref blows his whistle at kick off, they kneel for 10 seconds, ref blows his whistle again and they kick off
At what stage do the Marxists take over?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:26:49
At what stage do the Marxists take over?

About 20 minutes in I believe!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 7, 2020, 16:28:55
What about all those fuckers kneeling in church?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Stef Troll on Monday, December 7, 2020, 17:18:09
What about all those fuckers kneeling in church?

People who go to Church do it by choice.

I bet if you asked every football player whether they wanted to take a knee for BLM then a fair percentage would say no. A lot were probably scared not to take a knee in fear of being labelled a racist which is quite sad really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 7, 2020, 17:21:03
Pretty sure black American sportsmen take the knee while some of their teammates do not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 7, 2020, 17:44:20
Same happened in the rugby at Twickenham on Sat. About half the team knelt, about half didn't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 7, 2020, 18:05:41
People who go to Church do it by choice.

I bet if you asked every football player whether they wanted to take a knee for BLM then a fair percentage would say no. A lot were probably scared not to take a knee in fear of being labelled a racist which is quite sad really.
I'm pretty sure it's been said in this thread, but teams have come out and said it's not about BLM specifically, but to show their anti-discrimination stance:
https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/first-team-squad-release-statement/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Monday, December 7, 2020, 18:12:06
Pretty sure black American sportsmen take the knee while some of their teammates do not.


I think in the US it's done during the national anthem, which makes quite a difference.

QPR now set to take the knee before their game with Millwall on Tuesday, having previously stopped in September, something Les Ferdinand defended at the time saying the gesture had become "little more than good PR".

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/07/qpr-to-take-the-knee-at-millwall-in-show-of-solidarity-after-booing

This is about the best thing that can come of this, in my opinion. Keep shoving it in their faces if they don't like it.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, December 7, 2020, 18:12:56
I personally wouldn't kneel but I aint giving anyone shit if they choose to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 7, 2020, 20:03:29
Same for me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Monday, December 7, 2020, 20:48:42
U ok hun?  ;)

No I absolutely am not! PM me...

 :toocool:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 10:03:57
https://newsthump.com/2020/12/07/millwall-fans-explain-they-booed-blm-to-refute-engels-first-law-of-dialectical-materialism/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 10:09:23
https://newsthump.com/2020/12/07/millwall-fans-explain-they-booed-blm-to-refute-engels-first-law-of-dialectical-materialism/

Mr Williams is Millwalls Mr intellectual!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 10:42:15
Blimey, I just dropped into this thread to see what is the latest thing wrong with football and found more about what is wrong with society.

I was fully aware that the world is full of racist fuckwits, just didn't realise there were so many frequenting here..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 11:05:15
Mr Williams is Millwalls Mr intellectual!
Newsthump is a satirical website


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 11:08:26
Newsthump is a satirical website

Sums the club up really


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 12:18:00
Cunts.

https://twitter.com/ukip/status/1335993763618037764?s=21


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 12:26:24
There's been a lot of anti racist slogans and work done in football over the years, kick it out etc. Why is this one causing so much grief? When it started in the US I think it tended to coincide with the national anthem? Am I right?
I think some people (wrongly) are taking it as a stand against the establishment rather than a unity symbol. Who knows.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 12:35:36
There's been a lot of anti racist slogans and work done in football over the years, kick it out etc. Why is this one causing so much grief? When it started in the US I think it tended to coincide with the national anthem? Am I right?
I think some people (wrongly) are taking it as a stand against the establishment rather than a unity symbol. Who knows.
"Taking a knee" predates BLM etc by some 50-odd years. It was widely used during the civil rights protests of the 1960s as a symbol of peaceful defiance against racism by civil rights campaigners. Some people who like to be racist but don't want to admit it, are now pretending they think it's a symbol of "Marxism" because they don't like "having anti-racism shoved down their throat" but realise that objecting to anti-racism makes you look a bit, erm, racist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 12:36:04
There's been a lot of anti racist slogans and work done in football over the years, kick it out etc. Why is this one causing so much grief?

Possibly because events over the last few years have emboldened racists and made actions which would have been unthinkable  4 years ago mainstream. The appetite for racist policies has always been here in Britain, however until recently its been OK to be racist. It's just not OK to be seen to be racist, that seems to have fundamentally changed.

Its been noted today that what was the election pitch of the National Front in 1970 has on the whole basically become Tory policy in 2020, thus what was 'far right' 50 years ago is now mainstream.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 12:46:24
Do you have examples of racist policies? I'm not doubting you, I just hate politics and don't tend to bother with it  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 13:04:15
Do you have examples of racist policies? I'm not doubting you, I just hate politics and don't tend to bother with it  :)


Off the top of my head, so apologies but..

The open and unashamed alignment of the Tories in the EP with neo nazi groups and anti Muslim parties.
Windrush
Hostile Environment
Stop and Search

The above may not have been intended initially to be fundamentally racist, but the manner in which successive governments have chosen to deliver have led to that effect.

Albeit the blame cannot be laid entirely at the door of our politicians, the media has also played a part in stoking the hate which seems to have infected us as a nation.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EooF8vSXYAAEle_?format=jpg&name=900x900)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 13:19:17
Blimey, that pic has given me a headache  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 13:23:45
 ;) :D
Blimey, that pic has given me a headache  :)

The Express will do that to you, the Mail gives migraines!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 13:24:18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53148338


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 15:32:57
David Squires is, as usual, very good on BooGate

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/dec/08/david-squires-on-the-booing-of-footballers-taking-a-knee


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 16:06:08
The subtlest hint to STFC's derby win too - "unspecified savoury juice"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 16:23:16
The subtlest hint to STFC's derby win too - "unspecified savoury juice"
There's always a Town reference in the cartoons, one of the many reasons why David Squires' work belongs in the "What's right with football" thread, rather than this one


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 16:28:48
unspecified savoury juice

I don't get it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 16:32:36
Oxfail soup?


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 16:33:31
indeed.

#shitgravy (bovril) and their support of the scum


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 16:39:33
Oh!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 20:57:22
The CL game at PSG tonight has been suspended because the players walked off after an alleged racist comment by the 4th official


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 21:20:04
The CL game at PSG tonight has been suspended because the players walked off after an alleged racist comment by the 4th official

'...but when will all this "anti-racism" thing enddd?! People are getting fed up of it now!'

*Throws hands in air and shrugs*


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 00:02:01
Match Abandoned in the end.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 09:37:33
The CL game at PSG tonight has been suspended because the players walked off after an alleged racist comment by the 4th official

I believe the ref asked the 4th official to identify the person on the staff bench that needed booking. he responded in saying the black person.
I'm losing track of what can and cant be said clearly. I'm not seeing the racism here if an obvious identifying feature of a person can not be used to identify an individual within in a group of people.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 09:46:03
if that's what happened then I agree.

no different from someone calling me a bald person

But I accept I'm at the age where my defining principles may be stuck outdated. Though I don't agree that's the case here - if that's what happened.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Crispy on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 09:49:20
I believe the ref asked the 4th official to identify the person on the staff bench that needed booking. he responded in saying the black person.
I'm losing track of what can and cant be said clearly. I'm not seeing the racism here if an obvious identifying feature of a person can not be used to identify an individual within in a group of people.

He didn't say 'the black person' he said "Ala Negru", translated from Romanian to 'the black'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:01:22
 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:22:21
I believe the ref asked the 4th official to identify the person on the staff bench that needed booking. he responded in saying the black person.
He said "The negro one".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:27:33
He didn't say 'the black person' he said "Ala Negru", translated from Romanian to 'the black'.
Very similar to what Cavani posted on his IG. Its all about things getting lost in translation. I'm not condoning the 4th official's behavior it more about educating people about cultural awareness.

Demba Ba said it best when he confronted the 4th official by saying "if it was a white guy, you would not say "that white guy"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:33:44

Demba Ba said it best when he confronted the 4th official by saying "if it was a white guy, you would not say "that white guy"

But I would say 'that white guy' if I found it useful to describe somebody, which may be the case if there were a lot of black players and only a few white players, for example. It's all about context.

Granted, I don't really know the context of the situation or the language that was used (direct translations are often not helpful in that regard).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:39:18
I'd say the white guy if he was the only white guy there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:43:09
Hmmmm, I think I’d probably define someone by their easily identifiable name or number in that scenario rather than their skin colour

Respectfully disagree on the baldness comparison. Bald people haven’t been historically (and currently) treated the same as people of colour. If the descendants of bald people had been sold as slaves, removed of all defining characteristics, referred to solely as numbers and treated like cattle, with the only requirement to be treated that way to have a lack of hair, I would think there may be a stronger reaction to being referred to being called bald

Same applies for referring to people as ‘the white guy’

Is it the most egregious case of racism you’ll ever see? No.
Was it deliberately confrontational? Probably not.
Is is symptomatic of an unconscious racial bias that exists and which lets more egregious, confrontational forms of racism to exist and therefore should be stamped out from common culture as a stepping stone to tackling the more harmful instances? Yes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:43:18
He said "The negro one".

Quote
Webo protested for a phase and the 4th is heard to inform the referee Ovidiu Hatsegan that there is behavior that should be punished on the bench of Basaksehir. The first referee asks the 4th who to punish.

And the 4th responds: “Ala negru”, which in Romanian means “the black”. And he added: “The black man there, go see who he is, he should not behave like that”.

you cant translate some words to english and not the rest. the way it was heard if you didn't speak Romanian it is very easy to focus on the one word which is what i think happened and escalated very quickly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:44:26
Hmmmm, I think I’d probably define someone by their easily identifiable name or number in that scenario rather than their skin colour


all of the staff had training uniform on with no names or numbers. this wasn't a player


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:47:30
How about the fat bloke?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:50:26
Some of you are missing another key point here. The officials are supposed to speak in English during European matches partly for this exact reason. At best the 4th official is arrogant, lazy and ignorant and doesn't feel he needs to follow the rules at worst well......
It's not much of a character reference for him either way and when you read about the controversy that has following him around it doesn't paint a glowing picture.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:51:05
How about the fat bloke?

Have fat people a history of being dehumanised and treated as slaves?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:51:48
all of the staff had training uniform on with no names or numbers. this wasn't a player
the second guy from the left would work


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:52:08
Hmmmm, I think I’d probably define someone by their easily identifiable name or number in that scenario rather than their skin colour

Respectfully disagree on the baldness comparison. Bald people haven’t been historically (and currently) treated the same as people of colour. If the descendants of bald people had been sold as slaves, removed of all defining characteristics, referred to solely as numbers and treated like cattle, with the only requirement to be treated that way to have a lack of hair, I would think there may be a stronger reaction to being referred to being called bald

Same applies for referring to people as ‘the white guy’

Is it the most egregious case of racism you’ll ever see? No.
Was it deliberately confrontational? Probably not.
Is is symptomatic of an unconscious racial bias that exists and which lets more egregious, confrontational forms of racism to exist and therefore should be stamped out from common culture as a stepping stone to tackling the more harmful instances? Yes


That's a fucking superb post. Could almost be used in response to any of the "no one experiences more discrimination than the white working class man" crowd.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:53:56
Trying to justify this is ridiculous. Is the person racist? Who knows. Did Webo find the phrase to be racially aggravated. Yes.

Let's not tell people affected by racism what is and isn't racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:56:12
Respectfully disagree on the baldness comparison. Bald people haven’t been historically (and currently) treated the same as people of colour. If the descendants of bald people had been sold as slaves, removed of all defining characteristics, referred to solely as numbers and treated like cattle, with the only requirement to be treated that way to have a lack of hair, I would think there may be a stronger reaction to being referred to being called bald

None of that would cross my mind when using "black" in differentiating in a crowd. But you are right in that other people may see it differently, and its impossible for me to see it from their perspective.

Obviously offence has been taken in this case. Though I can't really pass comment on the use of "negro" - I can certainly see how it could be used in the same context as the other N word.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 10:59:31
Is ‘black’ now a derogatory term? I’m beginning to think tip-toeing round racial matters is doing more harm than good. Trying to pretend people are colour blind is ridiculous.

We have, thankfully, jettisoned most of the historical derogatory terms but just using black as a descriptive word seems OK to me. But it’s not me that matters - it’s the recipient that must decide if being described as black is offensive.

And that includes those who seem to revel in being offended on behalf of other people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:00:29
Trying to justify this is ridiculous. Is the person racist? Who knows.

Justify what? We are second guessing context and coming up with different answers.

Like it or not I think this type of debate is needed in order to ultimtely rid us of racism.

In my opinion at some point we need to leave history behind. Not ignore, certainly learn from it - but let it go. We need to get everone using a "cunt scale" (tm) rather than skin colour to judge people. I hope this is possible one day. I don't know if it truely is in my lifetime.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:04:34
Is ‘black’ now a derogatory term?
No, you've missed the point. Rather well explained by Dave's post
Hmmmm, I think I’d probably define someone by their easily identifiable name or number in that scenario rather than their skin colour

Respectfully disagree on the baldness comparison. Bald people haven’t been historically (and currently) treated the same as people of colour. If the descendants of bald people had been sold as slaves, removed of all defining characteristics, referred to solely as numbers and treated like cattle, with the only requirement to be treated that way to have a lack of hair, I would think there may be a stronger reaction to being referred to being called bald

Same applies for referring to people as ‘the white guy’

Is it the most egregious case of racism you’ll ever see? No.
Was it deliberately confrontational? Probably not.
Is is symptomatic of an unconscious racial bias that exists and which lets more egregious, confrontational forms of racism to exist and therefore should be stamped out from common culture as a stepping stone to tackling the more harmful instances? Yes



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:04:59
Trying to justify this is ridiculous. Is the person racist? Who knows. Did Webo find the phrase to be racially aggravated. Yes.

Let's not tell people affected by racism what is and isn't racism.
Exactly this, that’s why there should be better representation across the FA, UEFA,Fifa etc.
If nothing changes, the same mistakes will continue to be made, deliberately or accidentally


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:13:48
Have fat people a history of being dehumanised and treated as slaves?

Thing is Dave ALL races have at some point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:17:17
But nothing is changing. It’s all well and good having slogans - Kick It Out, etc - and then stigmatising anyone who has perceived to have stepped out of line.

People who just moderate their language aren’t changing their thoughts - they are just too scared of expressing them.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:18:37
Thing is Dave ALL races have at some point.
Ah well then fuck it, let's not bother with tackling racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:19:35
It really doesn't help to go implying that non-racists are racists and/or ignorant just because they don't agree with your idea of what racism is - which has happened several times in this thread.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:34:16

Like it or not I think this type of debate is needed in order to ultimtely rid us of racism.


The problem is the debate never goes anywhere, this is the umpteenth time that this matter has reared its head on here and we still have the same outdated nonsense (often poorly hidden while dancing on a pin) being raised by the same people, now either they are deliberately missing the point (which I suggest is the case in some cases) of they just don't bother to even consider that they might be wrong (as might I)

I hate to bring it back to Brexit but one of the key outcomes of that was a realisation that how poorly informed many are regarding history and basic economics, one only has to see the way that the government have tried to invoke the war with 'V Day' regarding the vaccinations to see how easily led they consider many of the population can be by invoking jingoistic tropes.

Long and short is, to use racism as an example, kids are not born racist, but they get it from somewhere and whilst many like to witter on and on about how dreadful the education system is they can only do so much, the tropes and prejudices of our succeeding generations are broadly down to what they see and hear their parents and grand parents saying and doing, possibly along with what they are exposed to in life, for instance from personal experience those of us who escaped West Oxfordshire at 18 seem to have a much more varied view of the world than those who still live there and socialise with those they went to school with. I know its simplistic but that's only my experience.

Ultimately nothing is going to happen until white people stop trying to explain to black people what is and isn't racist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:40:06
Ah well then fuck it, let's not bother with tackling racism.

Where did I say that? Stop being so easily offended


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:44:40
Thing is Dave ALL races have at some point.
Could you expand on this point and explain how it relates pls?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:48:09

Ultimately nothing is going to happen until white people stop trying to explain to black people what is and isn't racist.

Why have white people always got to be singled out? Damned if you do damned if you don't.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:49:58
Could you expand on this point and explain how it relates pls?

Try reading Dave's post


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:50:26
Why have white people always got to be singled out? Damned if you do damned if you don't.

What damned if you try and tell someone how to react to something you have never experienced yourself or damned if you don't?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:51:12
Why have white people always got to be singled out? Damned if you do damned if you don't.
How about "Nothing is going to happen until people who are not the primary victims of racism stop trying to explain to people who are continually affected by racism in their daily lives what is and isn't racist"?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:00:17
So what if I offer a job to a white person over a black person simply because I felt the white person was better qualified?

The black person then tells me I am being racist.

Can I not object? Do I just have to accept it?

Of course not, that would be ridiculous and I don't think anybody here is suggesting that's the case. But it does show that context also needs to be applied to being told not to tell black people what racism is. It's not that black and white (no pun intended)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:00:51
How about "Nothing is going to happen until people who are not the primary victims of racism stop trying to explain to people who are continually affected by racism in their daily lives what is and isn't racist"?

When are things going to improve then? I  thought people were expected to take their heads out of their arse and deal with this, but how if a certain percentage of the populous are not able to discuss it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:11:45
So what if I offer a job to a white person over a black person simply because I felt the white person was better qualified?

The black person then tells me I am being racist.

Can I not object? Do I just have to accept it?

Of course not, that would be ridiculous and I don't think anybody here is suggesting that's the case. But it does show that context also needs to be applied to being told not to tell black people what racism is. It's not that black and white (no pun intended)

Digressing slightly but you never see a ugly lady behind the make up counter or in the expensive retail shops but you could never prove that they've been chosen for their looks


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:11:56
When are things going to improve then? I  thought people were expected to take their heads out of their arse and deal with this, but how if a certain percentage of the populous are not able to discuss it?
No-one suggested you can't discuss racism. The original post, which you objected to so I rephrased it, suggested that people who aren't the primary victims of racism should perhaps stop trying to explain to people who are what is racist. That doesn't stop you discussing it, does it? Just suggests you perhaps don't go into any such discussion with a preconceived view and maybe perhaps listen to the people who experience racism on a daily basis as to what that is like for them, the many different ways it manifests and how you might help avoid it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:34:02
Of course, it's good to talk.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:37:03
I spent some time in Uganda when I was at University and walking around as a white guy you'd meet a barrage of the Bantu word 'Mzungu', which in general is used to mean 'white person' and to let other Ugandans know that there is somebody white nearby. Now, while it can be used as an insult, its very rarely is; there are very few white people in a country like Uganda and its almost an expression of surprise (omg, a white guy, soapy tit wank, well I never!). My point is that it can be ok, given some contexts, to use someone's skin colour to identify them. Certainly neither I or any of my fellow travellers felt for a split second that anybody was being racist towards us. Now I'm not saying that it is ok in the context of last night's game, I'm not sure yet. I wouldn't be surprised if something else comes out to explain events And as others have pointed out, it's very difficult for us as English speakers to infer the intention of speakers of another language. Direct translations are pretty much useless in this regard, as the literal meaning of a word isn't necessarily how it is used


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:38:14
people who aren't the primary victims of racism should perhaps stop trying to explain to people who are what is racist.

You've repeated this without answering my question above.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:42:03
Whether we like it or not we are categorized as humans by ethnicity, the "IC" identity codes that are used to describe someone is an example. Is that racist or outdated? How do we determine someone's visual characteristics without some degree of description? Going back to the original debate regarding the 4th official, he could have said second guy on the left, considering the officials could all see the benches.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:47:06
I was racially abused twice in 3 hours earlier this year by 2 seperate black guys. Reaction to it amongst colleagues was laughter. It's not nice who ever its aimed at I can tell you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:49:22
Had it in London and Lyon, violence happened.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 12:53:37
I was racially abused twice in 3 hours earlier this year by 2 seperate black guys. Reaction to it amongst colleagues was laughter. It's not nice who ever its aimed at I can tell you.

I have a (white) postie friend who works in Aston, and he is racially abused on a despairingly regular basis. There's a belief in some corners of the internet that white people cannot be racially abused  but in real life this is patently untrue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9_qjOUa-1s&safe=true


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:02:38
It's all well and good saying you cant be offended because it was said to you but do we have to accept that if someone is offended that they correct?

he could have said 2nd person on the left but why is it an issue in an identification context to say the black person?

do the police not identify by skin colour on radio communication? black lives matter but you cant say the word.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:05:23
You've repeated this without answering my question above.
I didn't see your question. What was it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:06:47
black lives matter but you cant say the word.
Clearly bollocks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:08:42
I didn't see your question. What was it?

So what if I offer a job to a white person over a black person simply because I felt the white person was better qualified?

The black person then tells me I am being racist.

Can I not object? Do I just have to accept it?

Of course not, that would be ridiculous and I don't think anybody here is suggesting that's the case. But it does show that context also needs to be applied to being told not to tell black people what racism is. It's not that black and white (no pun intended)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:14:35
So what if I offer a job to a white person over a black person simply because I felt the white person was better qualified?

The black person then tells me I am being racist.

Can I not object? Do I just have to accept it?

Of course not, that would be ridiculous and I don't think anybody here is suggesting that's the case. But it does show that context also needs to be applied to being told not to tell black people what racism is. It's not that black and white (no pun intended)
Think you answered your own question didn't you? As you say, of course context needs to be applied.

This specific example is explicitly covered by legislation, so long as you can show that you gave the job to the better candidate, irrespective of colour, there isn't a problem. But until the legislation, it was commonplace for superior candidates to not be offered the job just because of their colour. There's evidence that there is still an issue of conscious or unconscious "screening" of CVs on the basis of the perceived ethnicity of the candidate based on their name. There was a report out about it recently.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:18:52
Someone I know asked a woman in a shop why she wasn't wearing a mask, she got accused of being racist. Go figure. To be honest I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:20:53

As you say, of course context needs to be applied.


Right.

Scroll through this thread and you will see numerous times the same thing has been repeated, to which people reading it are just going to say - fuck off. Because it is unreasonable and makes no sense. It also plays right into the hands of people who are looking for a lack of reason in such discussions. **Oh, those lefties say we have to believe x**

This is something that people making such statements need to qualify because it will get under peoples' skin otherwise. And yes, it does need qualifying. It is not obvious. The general tone of this discussion from many has been that context is not relevant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:22:07
If you don't agree then fuck off  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:24:30
Right.

Scroll through this thread and you will see numerous times the same thing has been repeated, to which people reading it are just going to say - fuck off. Because it is unreasonable and makes no sense. It also plays right into the hands of people who are looking for a lack of reason in such discussions. **Oh, those lefties say we have to believe x**

This is something that people making such statements need to qualify because it will get under peoples' skin otherwise. And yes, it does need qualifying. It is not obvious. The general tone of this discussion from many has been that context is not relevant.
Fair enough. If I implied that context isn't relevant I certainly didn't mean to.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:48:08
The more direct approach to dealing with the issue.... https://twitter.com/bankruptspurs/status/1336432556632395776?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 13:50:10
There's a belief in some corners of the internet that white people cannot be racially abused  but in real life this is patently untrue


At school a fellow pupil once called me a nazi and the grandson of Hitler or something of that nature. That sort of shite didn't bother me really because it is tiresome, unoriginal stuff that I had heard before, so I ignored it. I did ask the teacher though why she chose to ignore the clearly racist comments directly at me and she said it was not racist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 17:21:21
john barnes

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Its NOT racist to describe the offender as the black one! We are telling people to call us black.. he  doesnt know his name there are 6/7 coaches standing together all turkish  .. 1 is to be sent off , the ref says which one THE BLACK ONE what else can he say to let the ref know?

carlton cole

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f you’re trying to describe someone and you have a bunch of white people in front of you and there’s only one black person and I’m asked ‘Which one was it?’ All of a sudden, I’d probably say ‘the black guy’ because that’s the most obvious thing to say”, the former West Ham and Chelsea striker told Wednesday’s talkSPORT Breakfast.

trevor sinclair

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“For me, the term used I don’t find derogatory, but it shows how very sensitive race is at the moment,” he said.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 17:42:25
3 people not finding an issue with what happened yesterday doesn't invalidate the discussion or potential for offence


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 18:11:26
3 people not finding an issue with what happened yesterday doesn't invalidate the discussion or potential for offence

So you're offended and these 3 aren't?

An earlier post from PaulD

quote author=pauld link=topic=49726.msg1587040#msg1587040 date=1607514672]
How about "Nothing is going to happen until people who are not the primary victims of racism stop trying to explain to people who are continually affected by racism in their daily lives what is and isn't racist"?
[/quote]





Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 18:21:12
3 people not finding an issue with what happened yesterday doesn't invalidate the discussion or potential for offence

I think the intention was to add to the discussion. Not invalidate it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 18:42:30
So you're offended and these 3 aren't?
I challenge you to find where I said i was offended in my reply :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 18:44:08
I think the intention was to add to the discussion. Not invalidate it
I apologise all round if that's the case.
I think what this thread is showing is that it's incredibly hard to have this conversation over t'internet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 18:54:41
I apologise all round if that's the case.
I think what this thread is showing is that it's incredibly hard to have this conversation over t'internet.

No apology necessary. I agree that its very tough to talk about this kind of subject online.

Over the first lockdown I had a discussion over Zoom with a black friend who was very much a BLM supporter (I am not) and the ease with which we sorted through our differences was staggering compared to how difficult it is online. There was no talking over or past each other and we didn't feel the need to justify our own biases or preconceptions although we both acknowledged we had them. We just talked it out. Very difficult to do that online. Still, if everyone is keen to have a proper chat, its still possible via this medium. Just less likely, I think

Nb. I realise that Zoom is online too, I hope it's obvious I mean that the fact that we could see each other and talk in real time is what made it easier 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 19:08:58
 :grouphug:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 19:11:08

I think what this thread is showing is that it's incredibly hard to have this conversation over t'internet.

Especially a group of middle aged white men, are there actually any BAME members of this forum?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 19:21:26
I got stopped leaving Cyprus for looking "too greek" to be English, does that count?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 20:44:01
Especially a group of middle aged white men, are there actually any BAME members of this forum?

My heritage is linked to Asia and Asian ancestors, whilst I don't class myself as a BAME member my background clearly is. This can make things difficult for when I hold an opinion regarding racism. People see me as a White British Male but they can't see my background unless they are told beforehand (which isn't most practicable). Like Hunk explained, sometimes online this can make things quite difficult and it also in part can make the "White people telling other people what is or isn't racist" a difficult approach too.

Surely with my background, do I not have a right to defend people who experience racism even if from the outset, I am not likely to or appear to others as not expected to be impacted upon by racism personally?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 10, 2020, 12:57:27
Not been here for ages, but we have at last found the definitive answer to this question, it’s VAR.

Please keep it in the premier league and as far away from the EFL as possible


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 10, 2020, 12:57:56
good to see you back posh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 10, 2020, 12:59:12
good to see you back posh

Cheers, all good just being a bit busy.

Glad to see from Twitter that you got a ticket for Saturday


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 13:35:51
Bristol Rovers next 2 games off due to Covid - tonight v Charlton and Saturday  v piss stains


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 13:49:26
Bristol Rovers next 2 games off due to Covid - tonight v Charlton and Saturday  v piss stains

I hope Robinson is furious


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 17:56:50
Bristol Rovers next 2 games off due to Covid - tonight v Charlton and Saturday  v piss stains

Sunderland playing tonight despite 8 cases of covid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 22:18:36
A lot of "not very social distancey" going on at the end of Wolves v Chelsea. Lots of handshakes, mingling and players swapping shirts at the end. It's almost as if there is no Covid in their world.

Makes it more laughable when they then do the post match interview at distance.

Hypocritical cunts. Everyone is a cunt tonight.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chubbs on Tuesday, December 15, 2020, 23:44:50
Sheff Wednesday fans not happy with Moses Adubajo after he was caught celebrating with/congratulating a forest player after conceding a goal in the 2-0 loss this evening.

https://twitter.com/chrisashley121/status/1338963857474203648?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, December 17, 2020, 10:53:02
Mates in football on opposite sides. Whatever next.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, December 17, 2020, 11:14:58
Mates in football on opposite sides. Whatever next.
Celebrating a goal your team has just conceded with the opponent who scored it does go a little beyond the usually accepted lines of decorum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 17, 2020, 11:26:35
Quote from: pauld
Quote
Mates in football on opposite sides. Whatever next.
Celebrating a goal your team has just conceded with the opponent who scored it does go a little beyond the usually accepted lines of decorum.


I'd like to see it tried in front of a full Town End.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, December 17, 2020, 11:37:54
Granted, it doesn't look great but I see Sippo's point. I think it's possible many have become sensitised to so much shithousery in the top two (quite possible all) levels, that when an act of "sportsmanship" is now witnessed, several don't know what to do with themselves; instead they continue to be outraged.

I also watched the clip several times and I wouldn't really call it a "celebration", the player definitely acknowledges his opposing player (and mate) has scored but he also looks as if he is going to collect the ball. The pat on the back (appearing as a kind of physical "well done but get out my way mate") may have happened anyway.

All he needs to do is release an apology tweet like:
"In the game v Forest I made a mistake but happen to be friends with the player outside of football. However I'm fully committed to my role and responsibilities at Wednesday. I'm 100% behind helping guide the Owls to safety in the Championship.
#COYO #NeverABlade #WednesdayTilIDie"

Likely just a case of also forgetting that there were no fans present, yet still the odd camera...we must remember the average IQ of a footballer is not necessarily that high and regardless, are we all without fault?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 17, 2020, 11:48:04
Celebrating a goal your team has just conceded with the opponent who scored it does go a little beyond the usually accepted lines of decorum.


I'd like to see it tried in front of a full Town End.

Scenes if pitman does this vs portsmouth ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 11:26:21
See the imminent Spanish takeover of Wigan has gone tits up. Their ‘bid’ would have seen creditors going unpaid and the club docked 15 points AND be relegated!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 12:38:19
That fills me with confidence over any impending buyout for Town... I know we're not in the same state as Wigan but we can't be that much better off. Ugh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 5, 2021, 12:41:59
There’s a huge difference. They are in administration and are being sold by the administrators. Seems they are more interested in bumping up their own fees than actually helping the club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 8, 2021, 19:28:20
Mane and Salah against Aston Villa's kids team (including, and this bodes well, Winston Bogarde's nephew). I get it was probably too late to change team plans for Liverpool, but poor fuckers.

Reasonably seriously, I wonder if the prospect of being forced to play actual competitive games with youth sides will stop big clubs loaning anyone out in January?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 8, 2021, 21:55:21
There’s a huge difference. They are in administration and are being sold by the administrators. Seems they are more interested in bumping up their own fees than actually helping the club.
I'm no fan of administrators but think you're being unfair there. The proposed buyers were trying it on - dropped their offer by 50% at the last minute, the new offer would have stiffed the creditors completely (who administrators are supposed to get the most money for) and resulted in the club being docked a further 15 points for failing to pay at leats 25p in the £ to creditors. The offer wasn't in the interests of either the club or the creditors.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:13:25
This kind of pisses me off. He's only been given the opportunity because his "celeb" status...and banging Michelle Keegan (who is/was fit as fook before she walloped a load of pigs juice into her lips a la Leslie Ash).

Similar to like the One Direction lad who got a "contract" with Sheff Utd.

If you or I had got close to a career as a pro footballer there is not a chance at 33 a pro club would sign us to give us another bash.

From the clubs marketing perspective it works because it gets lot of media coverage and people talking (positively or negatively) but this is nothing to do with football, more massaging someone's ego. Could he not have just appeared on Dream Team or Footballers' Wives with Gary Lucy?

Oh and they are making a fucking documentary about it too  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:19:38
Doesn't really bother me.  Looks like a minor lower league club doing whatever they can to try and improve their profile/finances.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:27:55
Doesn't really bother me.  Looks like a minor lower league club doing whatever they can to try and improve their profile/finances.

Yeah I'm with JBZ. Life's too short to worry about Mark Wright playing 2 mins of an FA Cup tie. He's a nice enough guy. Lives round here and run into him and his bro from time to time, pre lockdown.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:32:57
Doesn't really bother me.  Looks like a minor lower league club doing whatever they can to try and improve their profile/finances.

Disagreeing with me...there's a surprise  :soapy tit wank: Nice to see you active here again though you fucker  :)

Lives round here and run into him and his bro from time to time, pre lockdown.

Name Dropping cunt  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Tbh, it was more a "trivial thing". I don't necessarily hate Mark Wright...I don't know him as well as you do  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:39:47
Not that I'm a fan of Mark Wright and his ilk.  Maybe STFC should look into similar wheezes. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:51:53
Not that I'm a fan of Mark Wright and his ilk.  Maybe STFC should look into similar wheezes. 

We tried that with Harry Agombar


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 11, 2021, 17:53:46

Name Dropping cunt  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Tbh, it was more a "trivial thing". I don't necessarily hate Mark Wright...I don't know him as well as you do  ;)

Hard to live round here and not run into some Z listers. Olly Murs in the steam room at the gym, Joey Essex at the local Turkish restaurant...it's Towie Town afterall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: brocklesby red on Monday, January 11, 2021, 18:06:08


Similar to like the One Direction lad who got a "contract" with Sheff Utd

If you mean Louis Tomlinson, he got a contract with Doncaster Rovers although he is a Donny supporter and is still involved with them as far as I know. Pretty sure he used his playing for them as a way of raising charitable funds


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 11, 2021, 18:06:50
We tried that with Harry Agombar

We're doing it now with triple Z-list heartthrob Curran  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Hard to live round here and not run into some Z listers. Olly Murs in the steam room at the gym, Joey Essex at the local Turkish restaurant...it's Towie Town afterall.

I was only joshing ya pal :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 11, 2021, 18:10:40
Tomlinson?
Let's hope he's playing Saturday  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, January 11, 2021, 19:25:20
The wonderful F. A. messing around with the draw for what used to be the major cup competition in this country.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, January 11, 2021, 22:28:34
The wonderful F. A. messing around with the draw for what used to be the major cup competition in this country.
Yeah what was the point of that? Couldn't see any rationale for doing 4th and 5th round draws on the same night whatsoever


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Monday, January 11, 2021, 22:42:00
To aid fixture and Covid Testing planning was the reason given.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:09:06
To aid fixture and Covid Testing planning was the reason given.
Eh? Players are being regularly tested for COVID anyway, how does it make any difference whether you might be playing Shrewsbury or Southampton?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:38:55
Eh? Players are being regularly tested for COVID anyway, how does it make any difference whether you might be playing Shrewsbury or Southampton?

I don't know, just reporting what I'd heard.

Not really anything to moan about in the scheme of things.

Sorry i spoke.  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 11:38:02
I don't know, just reporting what I'd heard.

Not really anything to moan about in the scheme of things.

Sorry i spoke.  :D
I wasn't moaning at you, just seemed nonsensical.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 12:12:22
Shit like this:

https://twitter.com/RobbieSavage8/status/1348695115217383425

The Macclesfield Phoenix club running an "International Academy Talent ID" course for promising young footballers who happen to have £8k to spend on a 6 week residential. No proven footballing ability required, just access to 8 grand, 2 grand up front.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 12:46:09
Am I missing something?? That’s just an opportunity for parents with more money than sense to spoil their kids, and a new revenue stream for a struggling club. Not seen anything there to suggest it replaces their standard youth recruitment, and if the players aren’t any good then they’ll be gone once their 8 weeks is up


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 13:07:54
Am I missing something?? That’s just an opportunity for parents with more money than sense to spoil their kids, and a new revenue stream for a struggling club. Not seen anything there to suggest it replaces their standard youth recruitment, and if the players aren’t any good then they’ll be gone once their 8 weeks is up

Hopefully Curran may rock up there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, January 14, 2021, 10:59:30
Celebrations, apparently.

So, we expect athletes to play 100+minutes of a contact sport a couple of times a week while being bussed around together and isolating together, all while being tested twice a week, but it's a national disgrace they gather to celebrate a goal.

Some of the quotes on this are fucking ridiculous - I saw a quote attributed to one MP saying that celebrations are a brainless insult to the NHS.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:10:47
Celebrations, apparently.

So, we expect athletes to play 100+minutes of a contact sport a couple of times a week while being bussed around together and isolating together, all while being tested twice a week, but it's a national disgrace they gather to celebrate a goal.

Some of the quotes on this are fucking ridiculous - I saw a quote attributed to one MP saying that celebrations are a brainless insult to the NHS.



Thought you meant the chocolate...

Its a weird one as I recall when it all started back there was advice to avoid celebrations (I recall some sniffy stuff in our media when they occasionally got a bit carried away in the Bundesliga before we restarted over here) but that all seems to have been forgotten?

Not sure how the bubble things are really working as watching Ben Fosters videos he seems to be up and down the M40 between home and Watford constantly plus they seem to be staying in hotels consistently before games, must be costing clubs a fortune (also makes you realise the gulf even between the Championship and our league). Also seems that a lot of clubs are not allowing teams to us the away dressing room and have instead erected Portakabins in the car park for away teams to use.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:16:49
Shit like this:

https://twitter.com/RobbieSavage8/status/1348695115217383425

The Macclesfield Phoenix club running an "International Academy Talent ID" course for promising young footballers who happen to have £8k to spend on a 6 week residential. No proven footballing ability required, just access to 8 grand, 2 grand up front.
They have been doing this in the USA for years. Good on them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 15, 2021, 12:29:11
Not sure if wrong is quite the word  but.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55675775


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, January 15, 2021, 12:40:42
Perhaps daddy was contributing towards his employment at the club?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 20, 2021, 15:39:34
Yet another takeover bid for Wigans fails.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/frampton-group-out-wigan-athletic-takeover-race-3106478


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 20, 2021, 15:55:19
Yet another takeover bid for Wigans fails.

https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/frampton-group-out-wigan-athletic-takeover-race-3106478
Good news for the administrators though, they're still raking it in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 22, 2021, 09:07:26
Pretty good illustration of what a state they (and I imagine others) are in...

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2072752-funds-dwindling-as-battle-to-rescue-wigan-athletic-continues


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 5, 2021, 17:09:59
The absolute fucking shambles the National League* are making of suspending/resuming football

https://twitter.com/DulwichHamletFC/status/1357692046107107331


* the Artist formerly known as The Conference


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 5, 2021, 22:08:42
The absolute fucking shambles the National League* are making of suspending/resuming football

A farce.

The National League South is a 40 game season.

It's February and 18 of the 21 teams have 25 games or more yet to play (Welling have 29!)

It's not happening.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 15, 2021, 13:13:29
https://twitter.com/VibronsFoot/status/1360979874056396800?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, February 15, 2021, 15:10:57
Gonna need some explanation for that video...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 15, 2021, 15:18:18
Gonna need some explanation for that video...

Basically in Qatar at the end of the world club championship the female match officials were told not to engage with the Sheik when they collected their medals.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, February 15, 2021, 15:22:39
Gonna need some explanation for that video...
“Final of the world club championship in Qatar, award ceremony. FIFA President Infantino asks the women on the referee team not to annoy the Sheikh and to avoid unclean contact.”


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 20:12:21
The absolute fucking shambles the National League* are making of suspending/resuming football

https://twitter.com/DulwichHamletFC/status/1357692046107107331


* the Artist formerly known as The Conference
Darlo among many clubs now refusing to play fixtures that they have been ordered to play by the League due to concerns they will put the club at risk if they play

https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/statement-from-the-board-of-directors-of-darlington-fc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 18, 2021, 17:42:52
This can go in this thread because he picked the wrong club!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56114374

Anyway, what have Sunderland got that we haven't.  :hmmm:



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 18, 2021, 17:52:37
Fans that are genuinely excited about getting to the Piss Pot trophy final.

Scabs.

(Yes i know they cant go, but they were the same a couple of years back)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 27, 2021, 12:19:10
This is whats wrong with football.

(https://i.postimg.cc/TwvH0K8w/154532549-5382278065123196-5199153858343754150-n.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, February 27, 2021, 12:54:04
So that’s where ‘we’re hot footing it’ comes from in the song lyrics.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Friday, March 19, 2021, 08:44:57
The "Glen Kamara incident" last night vs Slavia Prague. A SP defender runs in to have a quiet word in Kamara's ear, covering his mouth.
GK heard something racist and started to shout it immediately.

Proving what was said will be challenging and I hope a microphone picked it up, but the cajones to run in 40 yards to have a dig behind your hand is fucking psychopathic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 19, 2021, 09:54:42
The "Glen Kamara incident" last night vs Slavia Prague. A SP defender runs in to have a quiet word in Kamara's ear, covering his mouth.
GK heard something racist and started to shout it immediately.

Proving what was said will be challenging and I hope a microphone picked it up, but the cajones to run in 40 yards to have a dig behind your hand is fucking psychopathic.

Madness.

I was also reading that Kemar Roofe had to suffer racist abuse and comments on social media.

Society really is going backwards at the moment with online racial abuse seemingly being so easy to do and get away with.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Friday, March 19, 2021, 10:09:44
Sadly, the attitudes and opinions have never gone away. I doubt they ever will.  It is now easier and more acceptable to voice them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, March 19, 2021, 12:01:30
Madness.

I was also reading that Kemar Roofe had to suffer racist abuse and comments on social media.

Society really is going backwards at the moment with online racial abuse seemingly being so easy to do and get away with.
That game was ill tempered through out so can't say I'm surprised, the challenge from Roofe on their keeper was nothing short of a disgrace though and left their keeper in a right state.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 19, 2021, 12:22:46
That game was ill tempered through out so can't say I'm surprised, the challenge from Roofe on their keeper was nothing short of a disgrace though and left their keeper in a right state.

It was and he deserves to be pulled up for making it, but it certainly doesn't excuse some of the disgusting racial slurs he has had to take since it happened.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 30, 2021, 15:34:49
Dover (and others) being screwed over for basically trying to avoid running up huge debts!

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12257692/dover-athletics-season-expunged-as-national-league-penalises-clubs-for-failing-to-fulfil-fixtures-during-covid-19-pandemic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 1, 2021, 12:36:29
The L1 list for the amount club’s paid agents fees

We had a modest £21,600 spend

The piss stains were at nearly £300,000.

Yikes!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 1, 2021, 12:40:01
The L1 list for the amount club’s paid agents fees

We had a modest £21,600 spend

The piss stains were at nearly £300,000.

Yikes!

The full list here.

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/how-much-blackpool-and-fleetwood-town-spent-on-agents-fees-and-how-it-compares-to-hull-city-ipswich-town-sunderland-and-others-3185165



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 11:57:03
A snapshot of Reading’s latest figures



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: michael on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 12:40:49
Those losses are so eye watering I had to go and check if they had been in the Prem recently and I had missed it!

Any idea what is going on there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 12:43:22
What caught my eye were wages being over 200% of revenue. What happens if the owners do a Wigan and pull out?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 12:45:42
What caught my eye were wages being over 200% of revenue. What happens if the owners do a Wigan and pull out?

That's true of... almost all football clubs though. Startlingly few are viable businesses, even before COVID kicked matchday income in a ditch. Almost all rely on owners to fund, certainly at Championship level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:12:40
What caught my eye were wages being over 200% of revenue. What happens if the owners do a Wigan and pull out?
While Reading do stand out, the Championship generally is massively overspending, IIRC the average is around 140% of revenue spent on wages. It's beyond ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:14:06
So what’s happened to FFP?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:20:16
So what’s happened to FFP?

You just get around it by selling your ground to yourself. Or just break it, win promotion and pay the fine, aka the Eddie Howe fairytale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:24:33
While Reading do stand out, the Championship generally is massively overspending, IIRC the average is around 140% of revenue spent on wages. It's beyond ridiculous.

And a sustainable club (if that's CM's aim) is likely to be operating at a level between NL and L2 .


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:26:32
You just get around it by selling your ground to yourself. Or just break it, win promotion and pay the fine, aka the Eddie Howe fairytale.
Isn’t that what has got Derby into trouble? Overvaluing their ground.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:45:10
And a sustainable club (if that's CM's aim) is likely to be operating at a level between NL and L2 .

Depends on how well the non-footballing side of the business is ran. With a decent fanbase and good commercial hires, revenue would increase significantly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:52:59
Depends on how well the non-footballing side of the business is ran. With a decent fanbase and good commercial hires, revenue would increase significantly.

Understood and I suppose that moves the ceiling to L1.  However, from what is said above, it appears that championship football will be out of reach.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 13:55:56
Luton? Barnsley?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 15:30:34
And a sustainable club (if that's CM's aim) is likely to be operating at a level between NL and L2 .
Just off the top of my head, Accrington, Plymouth and Lincoln are all well-run clubs operating above that level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 15:32:39
Understood and I suppose that moves the ceiling to L1.  However, from what is said above, it appears that championship football will be out of reach.
Not necessarily. The figure I quoted was the average, not all clubs in the Championship are overspending to that extent. However, it doesn't seem possible to compete at the top end of the Championship without massively overspending.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 20:51:29
The "Glen Kamara incident" last night vs Slavia Prague. A SP defender runs in to have a quiet word in Kamara's ear, covering his mouth.
GK heard something racist and started to shout it immediately.

Proving what was said will be challenging and I hope a microphone picked it up, but the cajones to run in 40 yards to have a dig behind your hand is fucking psychopathic.
10 games is maddeningly light, considering Kudela in EUFA's view did racially abuse Kamara
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56747993


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:15:51
10 games is maddeningly light, considering Kudela in EUFA's view did racially abuse Kamara
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56747993
UEFA consistently fail to match their stern words on racism with actual punishments. See also their pathetic actions after England players were abused in Serbia. It's almost as if they're just mouthing platitudes and don't actually give a fuck


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:18:46
Ten games is way more than they've done previously right? We'd all like it to be longer but if he misses the Euros because of this that's a clear and significant punishment to him.

Certainly better than the fines we've seen for nations in the past at least.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 18:31:00
The super League idea is back and further along.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56794673

sporting wise - whatever

could have massive implications on the pyramid though. Restructure could knacker us


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 18:43:43
The super League idea is back and further along.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56794673

sporting wise - whatever

could have massive implications on the pyramid though. Restructure could knacker us

Or it could reinstate us back into L1 (relegation pending). Couldn't it? If xyz teams left the Premier League and everyone "hopped up"...

This reminds me a bit like when the Darts split (no pun) and the authorities tried to say it wouldn't work...but it did. Of course the difference with footy is that there are already a bunch of clubs coining it from TV deals etc. Which is the main concern because if the money is there then it will happen. I think it certainly will inevitably happen in due course, when it does I think footy for the working class person will be well and truly resigned and most "fans" will be purely corporate mans/10 bob millionaires hobby.

Maybe it's just how the whole environment feels atm. Seemingly corrupt from top to bottom. It's been like it for a while, I think we just are more aware/exposed to it now. Now the average fan really knows that for those putting in (not fans) is nothing to do with football and the higher up you go it seems even more the case; and the price stretches further away from the working class pocket.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 18:47:03
I also think the super league would get boring as clubs realise they can't all be top and when the travelling kicks in and away fans can't afford to travel post Covid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 18:48:53
The Premier League complaining about it is amusing, beaten at their own game?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 18:58:24
I also think the super league would get boring as clubs realise they can't all be top and when the travelling kicks in and away fans can't afford to travel post Covid

I think the clubs would be more than happy to not have away fans, in fact, even the home ones turning up is only really beneficial for the TV optics.  The clubs make a very small % of their Revenue from fans attending games these days, at that level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 19:01:02
That's quite sad and can see it going like County cricket within a few years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 19:02:06
The Premier League complaining about it is amusing, beaten at their own game?

the Premier league is an open league and anyone can earn the right to be in it. money also filters throughout the league systems and into grassroots.

this super league will never happen. fan power will win.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 19:16:16
Dortmund and Bayern were invited to join as well, but didn't... good lads!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 19:27:31
Dortmund and Bayern were invited to join as well, but didn't... good lads!

But they are nowhere near as big as Arsenal, Man City or certainly not Tottenham  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 20:39:54
Go on then, fuck off and never come back.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 20:48:43
maybe it's a big sham to try and get their hands on their own TV rights in exchange for dropping it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 20:50:27
maybe it's a big sham to try and get their hands on their own TV rights in exchange for dropping it

Yep. Float something fucking ridiculous, then make it look like a "win" when you just get a bigger slice of the existing pie.

Hope bluffs are called all round but it won't happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 21:05:12
Fuck me, Dan Roan has already pushed all the other journos aside and has jumped on it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 21:29:45
the Premier league is an open league and anyone can earn the right to be in it. money also filters throughout the league systems and into grassroots.

this super league will never happen. fan power will win.

Prem would love to pull up drawbridge if they could and although they're mildly benevolent, the terms get worse as time passes. Sky & Gary Neville's moral high ground is even more nauseating when they kicked off PPV and the greed league, fuck 'em.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 21:47:29
Premier League shot with their own gun! Didnt give two fucks about the league in the 90s when they set it up..took all the money and gave the league a whiff of their piss now and again.

Everton, villa and Newcastle and the like, all flicking the Vs as they put on their new shiny kits.....they ain't fucking laughing now!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 22:47:27
With 6 teams dropping out of the prem to take part, I see this as our great escape. Fill the leagues by having promotions and no relegations. We are staying up!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 23:13:33
It's happening

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56795811

I'm glad I'm not a fan of any of those clubs  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 18, 2021, 23:58:01
maybe it's a big sham to try and get their hands on their own TV rights in exchange for dropping it
Indeed. It means they can drop the proposal and then just quietly shoe-horn in the expanded Champions League that achieves much the same but with more meaningless games which no-one wants as "responding to public opinion". Cunts. Cut them adrift and let them die in irrelevance with Arsenal and Spurs doomed to a permanent Sisyphean doom of spending the next 50 years getting their arses kicked as the Fulham of Europe, without even the prospect of a redemptive post-relegation promotion. Just season after season of being whipping boys for the big lads. Will be a big seller on the streaming channels for the S&M enthusiasts


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 05:00:10
It’s ironic,though, when we could have fans but no club while the ‘elite’ will have a club but dwindling fans.

I’m 100% sure fans of those clubs are dreading the prospect. If it goes ahead I hope that FIFA/EUFA/PL make good on their threat to expel them from their competitions and banning players from representing their countries.

It’s all very Kerry Packer ish x 100.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, April 19, 2021, 06:41:19
So this will work like the EUFA Nations League as in it's an additional competiton rather than a breakaway league? The clubs will still participate in their domestic leagues but are adding more fixtures to their already busy season. Ridiculous idea fuelled by greed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, April 19, 2021, 06:45:47
Kick em out now. Fuck em


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, April 19, 2021, 06:48:10
Pandering to TV money and the 'global fanbase' (aka fickle glory supporters who are not afraid to swap 'their' teams)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 08:34:24
So this will work like the EUFA Nations League as in it's an additional competiton rather than a breakaway league? The clubs will still participate in their domestic leagues but are adding more fixtures to their already busy season. Ridiculous idea fuelled by greed.
TBF that is also what the proposed "reforms" to the Champions League do - add extra matches that no-one wants and provide a coefficient safety net for "big" clubs that don't qualify by right. It's not the guaranteed no relegation of the Super League but it's getting closer. I do wonder if the Super League stuff is driven as much to make the Champions League "reforms" look more palatable by contrast as a genuine effort. It's been done before.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 19, 2021, 08:57:04
'Super' League.  ::) As if they couldn't make football any worse than it already is.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 08:58:42
'Super' League.  ::) As if they couldn't make football any worse than it already is.


Ah, they can always make things worse. You can rely on that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:06:42
Ah, they can always make things worse. You can rely on that

I have totally given up any interest in it to be honest, barely watch anything on the TV anymore, don't look at results, or tables. STFC is literally the only football I am interested in, and that's seriously trying the patience, although there is a lot going on at the moment and surely good times are ahead!!  :doh:

Actually that's kind of lie. I usually chuck a couple of 50p accumulators on over the weekends, but they are mainly from random leagues around Europe!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:16:48
I know its Dan Roan, but a bit more info.... https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1384055668961726465?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:20:11
Does this super league mean we’ll stay up???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:27:46
Does this super league mean we’ll stay up???

Nothing is that super


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:34:01
I know its Dan Roan, but a bit more info.... https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1384055668961726465?s=20

Out of interest, why the qualification? He's one of the best sports news reporters we have.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:45:38
So Mourinho gets the boot for allegedly refusing to take the players out for training over this.

In the last 24 hours football has sunk 15 pints and taken a bag or 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:51:50
Out of interest, why the qualification? He's one of the best sports news reporters we have.

Because he has some thing of being a bit of an arsehole to work with, at least in cycling news circles, basically not allowing anyone but him 'break/front' juicy stories after others have done all the leg work..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:52:39
Because he has some thing of being a bit of an arsehole to work with, at least in cycling news circles.

you mean he's a bit of a helmet?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, April 19, 2021, 09:54:54
Good to see that some clubs are still acting with dignity in this current kerfuffle.

(https://i.imgur.com/0hmSwnW.png)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:07:17
Nothing is that super
This made me soapy tit wank properly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:16:14
Because he has some thing of being a bit of an arsehole to work with, at least in cycling news circles, basically not allowing anyone but him 'break/front' juicy stories after others have done all the leg work..

Interesting.

I think most "high profile" journos are like that, from experience.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:22:04
Interesting.

I think most "high profile" journos are like that, from experience.

I imagine they are, much as with any profession. Its all anecdotal TBH, in cycling its more to do with the BBC actually having some pretty good cycling journo's but whenever a 'big' story drops it has his byline on it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:30:57
you mean he's a bit of a helmet?
:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:34:37
Does this super league mean we’ll stay up???

I want to know why we weren't invited to join  ???


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:38:44
I want to know why we weren't invited to join  ???
Indeed, we have after all won more in Europe than Spurs


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:43:43
Good lad, Charlie

‘Football as we know it in this country is going to be smashed to pieces! These 6 clubs are a shambles and just proves this game is all about money to them! Void the league cup final Sunday!! Dock them all points and relegate them! No longer the working mans game!!!!!

— Charlie Austin (@chazaustin10) April 19, 2021’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:49:21
Rumours that Klopp has threatened to resign over Superleague as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:51:41
There will be an opening in Germany when Herr Flick takes over their national team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:52:41
Rumours that Klopp has threatened to resign over Superleague as well

Good on him, if true.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 10:58:44
Good on him, if true.
And if he follows through with it, of course, easy to make the threat


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:01:18
There must be some TV and or advertising deal backing them surely? I have not read all the papers nor heard much on TV or radio to be clear if my comments are a few hours out of date.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:02:33
There must be some TV and or advertising deal deal backing them surely? I have not read all the papers nor heard much on TV or radio to be clear if my comments are a few hours out of date.
Apparently DAZN have initially agreed to stream the matches. Hence Sky's "principled" opposition to the move


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:21:16
And if he follows through with it, of course, easy to make the threat
Probably a hollow threat knowing he will in all likelihood be sacked if they don't make the top 4 and thus Champions League this  season.

Ideally everyone involved in this money grab will be told they will be suspended from the competition next season unless they back down and won't play any European football for years whilst this drags through the courts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:22:39
I think the clearest winners here are lawyers. Every fucker is going to be suing everyone immediately.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:34:46
https://twitter.com/DippyDon_95/status/1384107294527418371?s=20


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:35:07
Quote from: Nemo
I think the clearest winners here are lawyers. Every fucker is going to be suing everyone immediately.

true


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:38:42
Can we send Franchise to play in the Super League? A fixture between them and Red Bull RasenBallsport Leipzig in the Super League would indeed sum up modern football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:39:45
Apparently DAZN have initially agreed to stream the matches. Hence Sky's "principled" opposition to the move

If they suddenly become principled Triller (sp) will step in. They have zero scruples


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Monday, April 19, 2021, 11:51:19
DAZN say that they aren't interested. Could be lying of course, but their denials are quite strong:

https://deadline.com/2021/04/european-super-league-manutd-barcelona-real-madrid-dazn-anger-1234739114/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, April 19, 2021, 12:37:36
Isn't this the very same clubs that complain about fixture congestion and having to play too many games each season ??.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 13:00:29
Isn't this the very same clubs that complain about fixture congestion and having to play too many games each season ??.
While arranging lucrative close season tours of Asia and the US. Yes, that's them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 19, 2021, 13:02:48
Of course, this could be a kite flying exercise to gauge public opinion and appetite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 19, 2021, 13:29:13
Interesting to see how FIFA/UEFA statements regarding limiting players international opportunities may focus minds, probably won't like because as we all know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0rAvZtM7w


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 19, 2021, 13:48:49
For anyone wondering why on earth these clubs would go after this, (money) given how it won;t be the usual leagues and what fans would want and watch such a thing, well, the friendlies of such clubs get televised over here.  They will lap up a bit of Real vs Atletico even if the La Liga is not on the line, same for Liverpool vs Man Utd.  I imagine the Asian market is just the same, and worth Billions if harvested without the need to send some to those pesky Burnley types, or heaven forbid, those lower league teams who don't even play in that league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 19, 2021, 13:50:18
Can we send Franchise to play in the Super League? A fixture between them and Red Bull RasenBallsport Leipzig in the Super League would indeed sum up modern football

In an interesting redemption arc, Leipzig have said no to the whole thing along with Bayern and Dortmund. Apparently the best German club they can get is (bottom of the table) Schalke...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 14:33:30
For anyone wondering why on earth these clubs would go after this, (money) given how it won;t be the usual leagues and what fans would want and watch such a thing, well, the friendlies of such clubs get televised over here.  They will lap up a bit of Real vs Atletico even if the La Liga is not on the line, same for Liverpool vs Man Utd.  I imagine the Asian market is just the same, and worth Billions if harvested without the need to send some to those pesky Burnley types, or heaven forbid, those lower league teams who don't even play in that league.
Absolutely, especially when it turns out those extra 5 "invitational" spots go to a Chinese club, an Indian club, an MLS franchise etc. Their gamble is that they  don't need "legacy fans" because they have these "fans of the future" instead


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 15:02:19
So why can’t a reformatted Football League without the ‘big 6’ be successful? Kick in the bollocks for the PL rump and the Championship aspirants but it would only hark back to halcyon days when football was more equitable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, April 19, 2021, 15:20:25
I reckon that we should make a Unilateral Decleration of Independence and play in a Wiltshire Super League.

We might even win a fucking game!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 15:51:50
So why can’t a reformatted Football League without the ‘big 6’ be successful? Kick in the bollocks for the PL rump and the Championship aspirants but it would only hark back to halcyon days when football was more equitable.
Let's hope so. That's almost an ideal outcome of all this. Seen some of the graphics floating about of what the pyramid looks like without the Selfish 6 and thought "Yeah, that looks good actually" (except the ones with Pox in the Championship).

But the next few years could be rocky - most of the Championship is massively overleveraged in terms of their wage/revenue ratio, on the premise of owners gambling on a lucrative Premier League spot. If that spot becomes less lucrative, some of those owners could well pull out and given the scale of the overcommitment clubs could well go bust. That would cause a domino effect throughout the league which could cause absolute chaos.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 15:59:39
I noticed the piss stains made an operating loss of over £3m last season. Mitigated by transfer income of nearly £5m.

They ain’t  going to get that sort of income regularly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 19, 2021, 16:01:31
In an interesting redemption arc, Leipzig have said no to the whole thing along with Bayern and Dortmund. Apparently the best German club they can get is (bottom of the table) Schalke...

More surprisingly PSG appear to have sacked it off due to loyalty to the head of UEFA (for now at least).

If they are going to sack these clubs off, rather than think just about staying in Lg 1 this season, if there results are expunged from PL history we should not have been relegated in 1994, think big!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 19, 2021, 16:28:39
Asking Tottenham to join this Super League is akin to asking Bananaman to become an Avenger


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 16:34:01
But it’s not about being competitive - it’s about making money. I’d imagine at least 4 of the English clubs are going to make a complete arse of themselves year after year.

Franchise football has arrived!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, April 19, 2021, 16:36:04
Cor, UEFA are going nuclear. Ceferin's quotes are great fun, he's giving everyone involved a proper shoeing and suggesting that three CL semi-finalists might get kicked out.

Football administration is going to be more entertaining than football for the next month or so. Sky should bid for press conference exclusive rights.

Oh, and the government has announced an enquiry into the possibility of locking the barn door as the horse disappears into the distance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Monday, April 19, 2021, 16:41:45
Cor, UEFA are going nuclear. Ceferin's quotes are great fun, he's giving everyone involved a proper shoeing and suggesting that three CL semi-finalists might get kicked out.

I wish this would happen, but there's zero chance, sadly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 19, 2021, 16:51:32
Asking Tottenham to join this Super League is akin to asking Bananaman to become an Avenger

That's fucking brilliant  :clap:

'When Eric Dier eats a banana...'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, April 19, 2021, 17:50:21
You have to hope the various authorities actually have a back bone, I doubt it though.  They need to pull the drawbridge up behind these clubs before they have left - we will offer you nothing, not a jot to stop this from happening.  Go if you want, but we won't be giving you anything to not go.

The worst outcome here is that the leagues offer them incentives to stop the idea, which will only further break what is already a pretty broken sport for most at the fan level (not the paying consumer level - TV fans).



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Monday, April 19, 2021, 18:02:34
You have to hope the various authorities actually have a back bone, I doubt it though.  They need to pull the drawbridge up behind these clubs before they have left - we will offer you nothing, not a jot to stop this from happening.  Go if you want, but we won't be giving you anything to not go.

The worst outcome here is that the leagues offer them incentives to stop the idea, which will only further break what is already a pretty broken sport for most at the fan level (not the paying consumer level - TV fans).


Tell them to fuck off. If it doesn't happen now then it will eventually. Make them pariahs. They can only play each other. No friendlies. Nothing. Which franchise will pop up to swell the numbers, a Berlin team?
In fact, just kick them out now. Leicester league champions. Call off the caribau cup on Sunday. Give Leicester the FA cup, they do the double. Fuck them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, April 19, 2021, 18:13:22
I wonder what *dons Richie Wellens voice* Pep Guwardeeyoewlohh thinks about it all?!

Still amazes me how RW couldn't say his name right. Where the fuck did he get that "W" from?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, April 19, 2021, 19:16:00
Football already had been ruined years ago - by Sky and other TV money


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 19, 2021, 20:52:20
Football already had been ruined years ago - by Sky and other TV money
Minded to agree. In a lot of ways this is just the logical conclusion of the Premier League and Champions' League. Which makes the Premier League and UEFA's bleatings about "integrity", "individual greed" and "good of the game" almost as nauseating as the Super League itself


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:47:44
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzZ_Ut7WUAEFle3?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:50:32
If 60% of 16 to 24 year olds are interested in football then it's got audiences figures that almost anything would dream of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:50:59
that would be an insanely large number


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:52:47
I bet tht number would rise if they could watch it on their phones, whilst wearing headphones  ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:53:47
There is a bigger problem: How many of those '60% of 19-24 year olds' know the difference between the regulatory duties of the FA and League? PaulD only has so much time on his hands.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:55:07
I don't think he does  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 12:07:20
I wonder what *dons Richie Wellens voice* Pep Guwardeeyoewlohh thinks about it all?!

Still amazes me how RW couldn't say his name right. Where the fuck did he get that "W" from?  :hmmm:
because "u" before "a" in Spanish has a "waah" sound?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 12:21:53
Now being reported/rumoured that at least 1 of the PL six are trying to wriggle out of it after the backlash, what the fuck did they expect?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 12:41:19
Which would likely be Man City - their owners are the least likely to be in it for the cash, more trying to make a good name for a Country, which may also account for PSG's reluctance.  Not sure we should let any of them skulk away from this, colours have been nailed to a mast, fuck off and get on with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 12:50:21
Which would likely be Man City - their owners are the least likely to be in it for the cash, more trying to make a good name for a Country, which may also account for PSG's reluctance.  Not sure we should let any of them skulk away from this, colours have been nailed to a mast, fuck off and get on with it.

PSG's reluctance is apparently down to the strong relationship between their owners and the Chair of UEFA.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 12:55:04
PSG's reluctance is apparently down to the strong relationship between their owners and the Chair of UEFA.

Probably also too soon - they don't want to anything to jeopardise Qatar 2022. Two weeks later I'd imagine PSG would be much more interested.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jevs on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:01:57
Which would likely be Man City - their owners are the least likely to be in it for the cash, more trying to make a good name for a Country, which may also account for PSG's reluctance.  Not sure we should let any of them skulk away from this, colours have been nailed to a mast, fuck off and get on with it.

Guardiola is being quoted as saying something along the lines of if it doesn't matter if you lose, it's not sport which supports that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:11:55
PSG's reluctance is apparently down to the strong relationship between their owners and the Chair of UEFA.
It may also be related to the strong relationship between their owners and the owners of BEIN Sports (they're the same people) who have invested heavily in the Champions League apparently. How long they'd need to unwind that to jump ship to a new Franchise League isn't clear from the bits I've heard/read.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:23:07
On top of horlock's earlier post, several papers/journos reporting that *both* Man City and Chelsea already getting cold feet.

This is also worth a read from Nick Harris of sporting intel on why the Franchise League isn't just a sporting travesty but also economically illiterate

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1384436044683173889


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:23:59
Fans of the "greedy six" moaning about money killing the game


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:28:43
On top of horlock's earlier post, several papers/journos reporting that *both* Man City and Chelsea already getting cold feet.

This is also worth a read from Nick Harris of sporting intel on why the Franchise League isn't just a sporting travesty but also economically illiterate

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1384436044683173889

I did wonder about this idea that JPM were just bunging a few billion in with no return expected!

Thats thread is great albeit Mr Harris could do with learning how to write a thread on twitter!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:31:03
Fans of the "greedy six" moaning about money killing the game

Where were they in 91?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:34:11
Guardiola is being quoted as saying something along the lines of if it doesn't matter if you lose, it's not sport which supports that.
Clip here if you want to watch it

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384488137867595776


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:48:12
Where were they in 91?

Spot on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:48:56
Where were they in 91?

Enjoying being part of the gravy train, football created a bidding war then is stunned when someone offers more for the product. Shameful and hilarious at the same time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:51:20
Where were they in 91?

Exactly. Welcome to our world, thirty years late.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 13:59:01
If this is supposed to start in August and the 6 are thrown out of the PL, how would the league structure look?

No relegation + extra teams promoted.

Yay! We’re saved!



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 14:24:53
Mr Squires take....

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/apr/20/david-squires-on-the-plans-for-a-european-super-league


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jevs on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 15:07:27
Clip here if you want to watch it

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384488137867595776

Thanks. I'd only scanned it as a headline before that. Will the Premier League chuck them out & decimate TV revenue, or tolerate it and lose credibility? Surely they expected the backlash, or maybe this is just a negotiating ploy

Surely the appeal of the PL around the world is that it's fast paced & competitive, atmospheric (they say) this is going to be a series of glorified frendlies with no long term future. I suppose it's how US sports work so we shouldn't be surprised.

I suppose it's a bit ironic of a Swindon Town supporter to feel sorry for a 'super club' supporter but as a Spurs fan how shameful is it your club pulls that? You last won the league before decimal currency ffs, what's the entry criteria, shiniest ground?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 15:45:26
because "u" before "a" in Spanish has a "waah" sound?

Yes but Richie Wellens is from Moss Side (or similar) last time I checked. He isn't Spanish so maybe he was trying to look/sound cultured?

In any case, he ends up getting it wrong so just looks a prick   ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 16:22:08
Yes but Richie Wellens is from Moss Side (or similar) last time I checked.

Moston.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 17:54:48
Chelsea pulling out of the money league as we speak, whole thing will come crashing down now and will come nothing but a PR disaster for clubs involved.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 17:56:20
blimey. fair play Chelsea.

shouldn't have been considered in the first place mind


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 17:58:49
I’m flummoxed at the likes of Chelsea and their lack of foresight. Did they REALLY not expect this kind of backlash? Or am I missing an angle? It can’t be that they are hoping they’ll look good in light of agreeing to, but then leaving, the project? I don’t see what’s to gain from that, not really. People will still be fully aware of their nefarious intentions even if they U-Turn


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 18:02:24
Imagine the fact they realised they’d be kicked out of Stamford Bridge and lose the right to use the Chelsea name influenced their decision.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 18:17:58
Man City pulling out now, good stuff. Did read the other day that neither them nor Chelsea were that keen but didn’t want to get left behind so seems that was right. Now let’s see if any of the American owned clubs see sense, I won’t hold my breath as this is right up their street.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 18:25:25
BREAKING: All 12 clubs are meeting tonight to discuss disbanding the Super League.

- talkSPORT sources understand.

📻 Listen &rarr; https://t.co/VJgUHnHODz https://t.co/72d2cqaAea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 18:25:52
Bottlers the lot of them.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 18:27:49
I’m flummoxed at the likes of Chelsea and their lack of foresight. Did they REALLY not expect this kind of backlash? Or am I missing an angle? It can’t be that they are hoping they’ll look good in light of agreeing to, but then leaving, the project? I don’t see what’s to gain from that, not really. People will still be fully aware of their nefarious intentions even if they U-Turn

Yep, this is a stunning bottle job really, there's no way they can't have anticipated the reaction. I can only imagine some very rich people have displayed incredible hubris and lack of understanding of how football works, and some fairly rich people beneath them in their clubs haven't had the balls to tell them that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 18:29:52
Funny thing is they’ve properly fucked their bargaining position with regards to the Champions League and what not now. They can’t threaten the leagues with some greed league any more as it’s never going to happen, a massive own goal by all involved.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 19:03:47
And Ed Woodward resigns. They'll win in the end of course, but a little bit of comeuppance being dished out for the next few days would be lovely.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 19:09:34
And Ed Woodward resigns. They'll win in the end of course, but a little bit of comeuppance being dished out for the next few days would be lovely.

At least that equalises things a bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 19:10:05
Agnelli gone too. This is great.

Obviously none of the actual owners will suffer at all, but I'm bang up for a few twatty executives getting the heave ho too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 19:13:43
He was leaving anyway. This obviously has nothing to do with it. Pure coincidence


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 19:42:01
They should all be kicked out anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 20:07:18
They should all be kicked out anyway.
Absolutely. They swaggered around, threatening the rest of football with their nuclear option and it turned out to be a water pistol. Start next season on -20 points for the lot of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 20:11:38
The problem is of course that even if the Franchise League collapses as it looks like it will, we just revert to the status quo with the ever more tedious Champions League, baked-in financial superiority in the top two divisions distorting the competition etc etc. The whole rotten edifice needs tearing down. Delighted if the Franchise League does collapse but the Premier League and UEFA are hardly friends of football. It's a bit like defeating ISIS and only having to deal with dear old cuddly Al Qaeda


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 21:07:32
Really liked Sterling’s ‘Ok bye’ tweet. Succinctly dismissive


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 21:17:55
They should all be kicked out anyway.

Yep. They served notice. Bye all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hunk on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 21:48:50
They are all about to quit


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 22:12:29
it's collapsed . well it has for the EFL teams

gambit: failed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 22:23:45
Misguided suits thought they had it all figured out but it was never going to make it through the countless amount of red tape.

I'm cynical as to how influential 'fan power' really was but it's a cute story and the silly six clubs will make fans feel all warm and fuzzy by stating that supporter influence changed their minds but the reality is that this was nothing more than an advanced toe-in-the-water exercise (big decisions being announced despite seemingly no infrastructure beyond a rip off logo and clubs agreeing).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 06:12:49
Misguided suits thought they had it all figured out but it was never going to make it through the countless amount of red tape.

I'm cynical as to how influential 'fan power' really was but it's a cute story and the silly six clubs will make fans feel all warm and fuzzy by stating that supporter influence changed their minds but the reality is that this was nothing more than an advanced toe-in-the-water exercise (big decisions being announced despite seemingly no infrastructure beyond a rip off logo and clubs agreeing).


Exactly why the premier league should still kick out the six clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:10:02
Absolutely. They swaggered around, threatening the rest of football with their nuclear option and it turned out to be a water pistol. Start next season on -20 points for the lot of them.

Though I agree that these clubs should be punished, a points deduction just punishes the fans - it's exactly the same arguement as we are having about Swindon and Power.  They need to start punishing the owners, not the fans. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:14:54
Absolutely. They swaggered around, threatening the rest of football with their nuclear option and it turned out to be a water pistol. Start next season on -20 points for the lot of them.

im sure the same swindon fans are telling the fa not to deduct the club points but to charge the people involved within our current case...

the fans didn't sign up for the ESL. that much is evident.

EDIT (must read above post before posting)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:19:09
Though I agree that these clubs should be punished, a points deduction just punishes the fans - it's exactly the same arguement as we are having about Swindon and Power.  They need to start punishing the owners, not the fans.  

Not altogether sure how they can punish the owners, fine would have to be truly colossal to be any more than petty cash to the big clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:30:10
Though I agree that these clubs should be punished, a points deduction just punishes the fans - it's exactly the same arguement as we are having about Swindon and Power.  They need to start punishing the owners, not the fans. 

Most of the people that support those clubs have never been to a game anyway. And fuck em. Except Tottenham they've all enjoyed ridiculous levels of success and glory that most clubs can only dream of, make an example of them and let their true fans suffer like we have.

We'll probably get a harsher punishment for the agent breach then they will anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:31:40
Not altogether sure how they can punish the owners, fine would have to be truly colossal to be any more than petty cash to the big clubs.

Find them not fit to own a club - ban them from being actively involved.  It won't stop them but will be a major pain in their arses - might even convince some of them to sell up and ship out..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:35:29
Most of the people that support those clubs have never been to a game anyway. And fuck em. Except Tottenham they've all enjoyed ridiculous levels of success and glory that most clubs can only dream of, make an example of them and let their true fans suffer like we have.

We'll probably get a harsher punishment for the agent breach then they will anyway.

Fair enough, let's do that then..  at least it would put an end to Swindon fans being able to say we were victims and unfairly punished with our punishment


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 08:51:03
Most of the people that support those clubs have never been to a game anyway. And fuck em. Except Tottenham they've all enjoyed ridiculous levels of success and glory that most clubs can only dream of, make an example of them and let their true fans suffer like we have.

We'll probably get a harsher punishment for the agent breach then they will anyway.

the fan bases are insane but the matchday people as a majority are still the locals. I go to OT sometimes 10 times a season (I can see the irony), couple of contacts with season tickets who can't always make midweeks etc. Standing on the stretford end with season ticket holders and they are all full on passionate mancs and in the pubs and bars before hand you chat to people. they are regular fans who care about the club

to say things like make their true fans suffer like we have is just spiteful. fans at every level very rarely deserve the shit they face. i wouldn't even want oxford to go into administration


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:08:57
Really couldn't give a fuck to be honest. Portsmouth, Luton, Rotherham, etc etc etc etc all had fans punished that didn't deserve it but it happened. The clubs deserve to be punished, the only difference with these fans is that they've only really known success and trophies. It won't hurt them as much as it would us & other lower league clubs anyway, they're still mega rich and will recover quickly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:19:54
I wouldn't even want oxford to go into administration
Splurted my coffee all over the place. Are you crazy? Fuck ‘em. Fuck ‘em in the ear.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:25:29
https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1384763846557147142?s=20

Good on him for fronting up, he could teach our politicians a thing or two.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:38:23
https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1384763846557147142?s=20

Good on him for fronting up, he could teach our politicians a thing or two.....
But who's going to save football now if this doesn't go ahead!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:40:44
Really couldn't give a fuck to be honest. Portsmouth, Luton, Rotherham, etc etc etc etc all had fans punished that didn't deserve it but it happened. The clubs deserve to be punished, the only difference with these fans is that they've only really known success and trophies. It won't hurt them as much as it would us & other lower league clubs anyway, they're still mega rich and will recover quickly.

because fans have been punished before it doesn't make it right and that it should keep happening. Regulations need to be in place to prevent this shit from happening all of the time.

im sick to death of these owners to be honest. the difference between the top 6 and us is obviously huge and yes they could afford financial punishments that we can't.

we get shafted all of the time, even when we find an owner willing to back us and take us higher it ends up shit. we attract the same personnel every time a takeover happens and can you ever see it ending? a german 51% or a financial bond guarantee is the only way the fans can get protected.

why always us!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:48:33
But who's going to save football now if this doesn't go ahead!!

Nobody, looks like the whole thing has now collapsed. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56830308


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:49:13
I was curious to see what the the pyramid would look like without the 6 greedy bastards but it would've been a bumpy ride. I still struggled with much in the way of outrage though, that world is so far removed from STFC it may as well be fictional.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 09:56:19
Well at least one of our fans will be happy with the 15 point deduction next season.

Based on the amount of unsavoury actions coming out about our owner now, they should just bin us off to the Southern Prem and be done with it..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 10:08:13
Quote
I wouldn't even want oxford to go into administration


I agree with him

eternal misery and suffering is what I want for them

karma looks to be mocking me though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 10:21:21
im sure the same swindon fans are telling the fa not to deduct the club points but to charge the people involved within our current case...

the fans didn't sign up for the ESL. that much is evident.

EDIT (must read above post before posting)
Yep, that's a fair point, as is Berniman's. I may have posted in anger before properly thinking things through. Quite out of the step with the usually considered and thoughtful tone of the forum overall :)

But it can't be allowed to just pass. This was an attempted coup, it might have been a shit one, but that's what it was, football's answer to Trump's shit coup in January. You can't just let that go, there has to be consequences, if only to deter anyone from trying it again. Banning the owners and executives involved from ever being involved in football again would be a start but there's no way the football authorities will do that, even if they had the power to do so which is doubtful. And it wouldn't really hurt the billionaires anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 10:21:41
Splurted my coffee all over the place. Are you crazy? Fuck ‘em. Fuck ‘em in the ear.


I agree with him

eternal misery and suffering is what I want for them

karma looks to be mocking me though

to be clear. i want suffering and misery for oxford. but i want that through terrible performances and not a panel because of an owner. as fans you live for the club every week and to have your season decided by events off the pitch is hard


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 10:39:03
to be clear. i want suffering and misery for oxford. but i want that through terrible performances and not a panel because of an owner. as fans you live for the club every week and to have your season decided by events off the pitch is hard

I meant I agree with you. My app didn't quote properly, now fixed.

Only club I want to see go bust is out next opponents.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 10:45:42
I would not wish admin on Oxford either. While I'm all for the banter around the footballing side of things, I wouldn't take pleasure in fans seeing their club torn apart (asides from a few dickheads). The only reason most of them are even Oxford fans at all is that they just happened to be born there. The difference between me being an Oxford fan and Swindon fan is about 50 miles.

As for Franchise, however. They should be made to start again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 10:57:47
Well at least one of our fans will be happy with the 15 point deduction next season.

Based on the amount of unsavoury actions coming out about our owner now, they should just bin us off to the Southern Prem and be done with it..

Don't twist what I said. Happy to discuss it properly but if you're gonna spin it more than fucking Sonic the fucking Hedgehog don't bother!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 11:02:06
Yep, that's a fair point, as is Berniman's. I may have posted in anger before properly thinking things through. Quite out of the step with the usually considered and thoughtful tone of the forum overall :)

But it can't be allowed to just pass. This was an attempted coup, it might have been a shit one, but that's what it was, football's answer to Trump's shit coup in January. You can't just let that go, there has to be consequences, if only to deter anyone from trying it again. Banning the owners and executives involved from ever being involved in football again would be a start but there's no way the football authorities will do that, even if they had the power to do so which is doubtful. And it wouldn't really hurt the billionaires anyway.

^^ This. But said a lot more eloquently than I ever could, as always.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 11:37:32
I'm going to try and defend the "punishment for the clubs" a bit I think, both my comments on here and my rather more extreme suggestion on Twitter (you always have to be more extreme on Twitter) "Expel all 12 clubs from Europe and their domestic leagues. Let them start again right at the bottom of the pyramid and learn the meaning of earning a promotion", also something that was written more in anger than expectation it would actually happen.

I do agree that punishing the fans is unjust, and I also agree that just because we, Luton, Rotherham, Wigan, Bournemouth and all the other clubs that were punished for having bad owners were punished this way doesn't make it right that others should suffer injustice. BUT I think there's a difference in punishing these clubs and the punishments meted out to Luton et al and any potential punishment meted out to us by the FA. And that's in terms of the effect on the club's existence. Docking Liverpool 20 points would fuck them next season but it wouldn't harm them long term. And it's not like Liverpool fans haven't had experience in having to wait for a while to make an impact on the League. Or to take my more extreme example, which wasn't entirely serious, but let's take it at face value, even if you made Man Utd start in Conference North it wouldn't be an existential threat to those clubs. Like Rangers have done in Scotland, they'd climb their way back to the top table, the real fans would probably have quite a bit fun on the way rediscovering real football, and a lot of lower league clubs would have their coffers swelled as they passed through. And it would certainly get rid of the Glazers. In contrast, docking Luton 30 points and so condemning them to the Conference very nearly finished them off. Likewise, the points deduction for Wigan at one point in time did look like it would prevent the club being sold out of administration, it could have been a killer blow to them, in a way that wouldn't be the case for the Selfish Six.

There's a 15 point penalty for putting your own club into administration or other "insolvency event" as I believe the league regs put it. Surely there should be a far harsher punishment for attempting to cause insolvency events in 86 other clubs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 11:44:29
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 13:46:55
Don't twist what I said. Happy to discuss it properly but if you're gonna spin it more than fucking Sonic the fucking Hedgehog don't bother!

I didn't twist anything, all i was pointing out is if your view on other fans getting punished is "fuck em" then you can't complain when Swindon fans get punished for the shit show that our dictator is/has served up.

No need for the saltiness.. it's just opinions.  Mine is that these clubs should most definately be punished, to the max - but when dealing out those punishments they should try to have the punishment affect the real perpertrators (the owners) rather than the fans.  Whether they are fans of clubs that have experienced success or not shouldn't come into it.  And to say they are rich, they will recover is true for the owners, but a good majority of the fans are not rich, some of them put themselves on the breadline to go and support their club - i don't see why those supporters should be punished.

I'll leave it there because I have obviously stirred up emotions without even realising it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 13:50:32

I agree with him

eternal misery and suffering is what I want for them

karma looks to be mocking me though

Isn't being an Oxford fan enough?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:08:31
I didn't twist anything, all i was pointing out is if your view on other fans getting punished is "fuck em" then you can't complain when Swindon fans get punished for the shit show that our dictator is/has served up.

No need for the saltiness.. it's just opinions.  Mine is that these clubs should most definately be punished, to the max - but when dealing out those punishments they should try to have the punishment affect the real perpertrators (the owners) rather than the fans.  Whether they are fans of clubs that have experienced success or not shouldn't come into it.  And to say they are rich, they will recover is true for the owners, but a good majority of the fans are not rich, some of them put themselves on the breadline to go and support their club - i don't see why those supporters should be punished.
Out of curiosity, because I don't have a good answer for this, what punishment do you think would be suitable then? "I don't know" is a perfectly reasonable response btw, as I say I don't have a good answer either.

However, I do worry that if the punishments aren't eye-wateringly harsh this isn't the last we've seen of this. And next time they will succeed, which will be a much worse outcome for those fans than any points deduction or relegation would be e.g. one of the obvious logical consequences of such a League would be portability for the franchised clubs as per the NFL. Sticking with my prior examples, Liverpool fans might whinge about a 20 point deduction next season, and Man Utd fans would hate going to play local clubs in Conference North, but they'd hate both of those things a hell of lot less than having their club moved to LA or Mumbai.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:13:01
I'm not sure why everyone's hell-bent on punishing them? What regulation have they breached?

They've disenfranchised millions of people. That's punishment enough. Suggestions of points deductions etc are laughable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:29:07
I'm not sure why everyone's hell-bent on punishing them?
Because if they aren't punished and harshly they will try again, with likely catastrophic consequences for the whole football pyramid. Let them go and play in their own closed league, fine, no problem from me. But they also want to go and take the lion's share of the money with them. We've already talked about how massively overleveraged pretty much the whole of the Championship, that is on the back of owners gambling on reaching the Premier League. Take the riches out of the PL and that incentive goes, along with those owners, leaving the clubs with crippling debts. And that soon ripples down into Leagues 1 and 2 and thence into the Conference and below. The football pyramid is a tightly woven ecosystem, you can't just rip out the top end without causing huge problems further down.

What regulation have they breached?

Well there's this one:
Quote
L .9.
Except with the prior written approval of the Board, during the Season a Club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than:
L.9.1. the UEFA Champions League;
L.9.2. the UEFA Europa League;
L.9.3. the F.A. Cup;
L.9.4. the F.A. Community Shield;
L.9.5. the Football League Cup;
or
L.9.6. competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.
https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2020/09/11/dc7e76c1-f78d-45a2-be4a-4c6bc33368fa/2020-21-PL-Handbook-110920.pdf


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:38:40
I'm absolutely bang against the ESL and delighted it's crashed and burned, resulting in complete embarrassment for all concerned.

But they've not actually played in any competition outside of that list, and from a governance POV I'm not sure what rule they've broken.

The complete destruction of their relationships with fans is enough for me, and anything more than that would be a huge legal issue.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:40:04
I know some people will respond by pointing out it is a free market and punishing owners is not really something that sits well with that, but football has always really been a membership of a club gig.  Be that a league, a competition etc.

I think it is time, if people really want to take this moment as an opening for real change, where the Govt and/or FA/FL go for radical rule changes.  Make it a pre-requisite that any club seeking or having membership needs to ensure a % of the voting rights of any business are held by fans (the mechanism can be debated to ensure this is done effectively like in Germany).  That's not force seizure of assets, but it does provide an immediate pause for thought for some of these owners.  The money will still be there, they can still keep some of it like they do today, but they cannot sell the business without approval and they cannot force such ridiculous ideas as the ESL down anyones throat unless the fans back them.

I know it's radical and unlikely.  I know it comes with challenges.  But either we really do think football is something of value to communities that we can allow business people to support and maybe even make some money from, or we just think it is a consumer business in which case who the fuck cares.  I like watching the odd Play in the West End, I do not support it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:48:43
Well said Rob. I think James B put it well on the Loathed Strangers Pod from last night (apologies if I'm not quoting correctly) "Owners just own the economic rights, but the club belongs to us". He was talking about the ownership situation here, but it applies equally well to any level of the pyramid.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 14:59:18
Yep - I'm not advocating for fans taking any ownership of value, or even being involved in the day to day.  Just essentially being a shareholder that can block key decisions when needed, or more accurately, be engaged when such decisions are going to be likely.

The price a financial owner has to pay for being involved - the business aspect of football is unlike many others - the customers are unlikely to go to a competitor no matter how good or bad or how costly the product is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 15:15:26
Out of curiosity, because I don't have a good answer for this, what punishment do you think would be suitable then? "I don't know" is a perfectly reasonable response btw, as I say I don't have a good answer either.

However, I do worry that if the punishments aren't eye-wateringly harsh this isn't the last we've seen of this. And next time they will succeed, which will be a much worse outcome for those fans than any points deduction or relegation would be e.g. one of the obvious logical consequences of such a League would be portability for the franchised clubs as per the NFL. Sticking with my prior examples, Liverpool fans might whinge about a 20 point deduction next season, and Man Utd fans would hate going to play local clubs in Conference North, but they'd hate both of those things a hell of lot less than having their club moved to LA or Mumbai.

I would ban the owners that directly made the play to join this league from being involved in football decisions, which should include not being able to attend matchdays.  I would probably put a European ban in place for next season for the clubs in question due to the nature of this spin off league that they were trying to form.  And not that it would hurt them much I would fine them a significant enough amount to at least stick in their throat - £100M.  That £600M should be re-invested in grassroots.

That's just off of the top of my head.

EDIT: and without reading the other suggestions made


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 21, 2021, 15:21:10
I would ban the owners that directly made the play to join this league from being involved in football decisions, which should include not being able to attend matchdays.  I would probably put a European ban in place for next season for the clubs in question due to the nature of this spin off league that they were trying to form.  And not that it would hurt them much I would fine them a significant enough amount to at least stick in their throat - £100M.  That £600M should be re-invested in grassroots.

That's just off of the top of my head.
Fair enough. Not sure any of that would be a deterrent. Very much doubt the Glazers, FSG etc have any input on "football decisions", that's what they employ the likes of Ed Woodward for. the only thing that might hurt is the ban on European places, which actually falls under the same rubric as a points deduction etc - it's "punishing the fans" again isn't it? And would have no impact whatsoever on Arsenal and Spurs, and probably not Liverpool.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 10:29:27
Fair enough. Not sure any of that would be a deterrent. Very much doubt the Glazers, FSG etc have any input on "football decisions", that's what they employ the likes of Ed Woodward for. the only thing that might hurt is the ban on European places, which actually falls under the same rubric as a points deduction etc - it's "punishing the fans" again isn't it? And would have no impact whatsoever on Arsenal and Spurs, and probably not Liverpool.



IMO - the club not being in Europe doesn't punish the fans that much, certainly not as much as a domestic league points deduction.  A points deduction basically removes a season or two of the "bread and butter" for a fan whereas a European ban is removing the cherry on top - that is all.  However not being in Europe punishes the owners because they will not see the funds and qudos associated with it.  A point deduction does not affect the owners in any way really, except for making things difficult for them for a while - the real losers in that scenario are the fans.

As far as banning the owners - owning a club with the stigma of being banned from football and not being able to ship up at games means that some of the enjoyment of owning the club is taken away, they can't laud themselves as the reason for any success and it ensures that nobody will forget that you were part of the 6 that tried to betray the fans of all European clubs.  It certainly wouldn't be as enjoyable to own the club and make things more difficult for you to operate and might be enough to convince then to sell up and ship out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 10:33:10
As far as banning the owners - owning a club with the stigma of being banned from football and not being able to ship up at games means that some of the enjoyment of owning the club is taken away, they can't laud themselves as the reason for any success and it ensures that nobody will forget that you were part of the 6 that tried to betray the fans of all European clubs.  It certainly wouldn't be as enjoyable to own the club and make things more difficult for you to operate and might be enough to convince then to sell up and ship out.

Do the owners of the 'big' 6 attend many games, OTTOMH the Glazers are terrified of the fans, when Liverpool won Henry etc were fairly silent, Levy is pretty high profile but both Chelsea and Arsenal have owners who are not commonly seen due to visa issues and not sure about the City lot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Chunkyhair on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 10:55:51
Problem is - as as already been stated - the owners don't give a shit about the football, just the money (from the Levy's of this world to the Power's).  As has again already been said, football is a strange business in that regard, but the way it has evolved since the PL was set up has made a few (many) people rich but by and large left clubs with huge debts and continually eroded the pyramid with the ESL potentially having been the final nail in the coffin.

This summed it up for me as to where the mindset is:

Perez reiterated his view that the ESL was created "to save football", having also previously said the move had been made because young people were "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games".

Fucking hell - in spite of everything that has been spouted on here by all of us (inc. me) about the crap football we have been watching over the years, we will continue to go to watch and support Town, as will fans of teams at all levels of the game from Sunday League to CL.  To spout that the ESL would save football is contemptible, and would be insulting if Perez thought that anyone would believe it.  It will line the pockets of a few clubs (more specifically the owners) to the detriment of the game as a whole!

My fear though is that - again as many have said - this was a half baked ill conceived attempt to do somethat  that will reappear better planned and organised by the protaganists in the future.  There is a real need for the authorites to act to prevent that, but that is where my realist hat comes on and I say to myself - they will do fuck all.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 10:58:56
I would think it's obvious why young people are not getting into football. It's really fucking expensive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 11:01:13
Its quite the spectator sport to see Perez slowly going round the bend... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56842442


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 11:04:54
This summed it up for me as to where the mindset is:

Perez reiterated his view that the ESL was created "to save football", having also previously said the move had been made because young people were "no longer interested in football" because of "a lot of poor quality games".

I would think it's obvious why young people are not getting into football. It's really fucking expensive.

From recollection didn't Perez say something along the lines of 40% of 'young' people not being interested in football, on that basis 60% are which seems no different to how it was 40+ years ago and still seems a pretty good rate for any sport.

He is making a complete bell end of himself and if they want any chance of such a thing progressing they need to take the microphone away from him ASAP!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 11:11:55
Do the owners of the 'big' 6 attend many games, OTTOMH the Glazers are terrified of the fans, when Liverpool won Henry etc were fairly silent, Levy is pretty high profile but both Chelsea and Arsenal have owners who are not commonly seen due to visa issues and not sure about the City lot.
Abramovitch is apparently one of the most frequent attendees, the others barely go at all. Abramovich aside, as he does actually apparently genuinely enjoy football, they don't particularly like football. So banning them from attending games would be one of the most ineffective punishments it's possible to think of, if anything they'd be relieved to have an excuse not to have to put in the very few token appearances they currently make


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 11:47:19
Abramovitch is apparently one of the most frequent attendees, the others barely go at all. Abramovich aside, as he does actually apparently genuinely enjoy football, they don't particularly like football. So banning them from attending games would be one of the most ineffective punishments it's possible to think of, if anything they'd be relieved to have an excuse not to have to put in the very few token appearances they currently make

The banning from the games is not the key point here though, the banning from football is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 11:50:23
The banning from the games is not the key point here though, the banning from football is.
OK, my apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick, just you seemed to have focused on that. Agree that banning them from football would certainly be a huge deterrent. Not going to happen unfortunately.

Man Utd training disrupted this morning by anti-Glazer protests from fans btw



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 22, 2021, 15:12:29
Yeah, we know that none of what I suggested is going to happen, I was just wracking my brains to think of some sort of punishment where the fans were less affected..

At the end of the day they will do what they are going to do and nobody will have a real say in it.. the same as the result of the charges against STFC


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 23, 2021, 03:50:09
I see our erstwhile leader met with Ed Woodward a few days before the ESL announcement. Of course, there were no discussions about this breakaway and the billions of pounds there would be sloshing around.

There seems to be no facet of life in this country where that inflated sleazeball doesn’t leave his slime all over it.

Two faced fucker.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 23, 2021, 10:14:08
Herein lieth the problem

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2077847-call-on-manchester-united-owners-to-reduce-their-shareholding-in-wake-of-esl-debacle


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 23, 2021, 12:06:46
Maybe this is the solution

https://www.beesunited.org.uk/in-focus/why-the-brentford-model-of-a-fan-director-and-a-golden-share-could-work-at-your-club/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 23, 2021, 13:03:18
Maybe this is the solution

https://www.beesunited.org.uk/in-focus/why-the-brentford-model-of-a-fan-director-and-a-golden-share-could-work-at-your-club/

Problem with any of this is capital, even at our shitty level Power values the club at £7.5m so to obtain 51% of that you are talking £3,825,000 where is that going to come from? That's why I linked the bit about Man Utd, its all very well them saying the Glazers should sell up to a degree but who is going to pay the money, in the main people with that sort of cash want something for their investment.

And don't get me started on the laughable suggestion in the Man Utd piece that people who have only invested to make cash are going to sell at below market value, it ain't gonna happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 23, 2021, 13:07:38
For those who are interested the terms of reference of the "fan-led" review of football have been published, and it looks like a sensible starting point. It's also being led by Tracey Crouch who was actually not a bad Sports Minister (and does at least like football) so that is also encouraging

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fan-led-review-of-football-governance/terms-of-reference-for-the-fan-led-review-of-football-governance

As long as it's not just another "Let's have a review instead of doing something"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, April 23, 2021, 13:44:04
For those who are interested the terms of reference of the "fan-led" review of football have been published, and it looks like a sensible starting point. It's also being led by Tracey Crouch who was actually not a bad Sports Minister (and does at least like football) so that is also encouraging

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fan-led-review-of-football-governance/terms-of-reference-for-the-fan-led-review-of-football-governance

As long as it's not just another "Let's have a review instead of doing something"
I quite like her. Resigned her minister for sport gig over the betting terminals mallarky. Football could have done a lot worse than get her to head up the review..
Let's see what she comes up with.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 23, 2021, 13:49:57
I quite like her. Resigned her minister for sport gig over the betting terminals mallarky. Football could have done a lot worse than get her to head up the review..
Let's see what she comes up with.
Yes she's pretty good, one of the more genuine MPs from either side and does actually like football, IIRC she used to (and may still) coach a grassroots girls' team in her constituency and used to have to get pairs with opposition MPs on votes so she could get back to take U14s training :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 23, 2021, 14:58:03
I quite like her. Resigned her minister for sport gig over the betting terminals mallarky. Football could have done a lot worse than get her to head up the review..
Let's see what she comes up with.

If its like most of the recent 'reviews' I imagine the conclusions are already written and will be leaked in the next few days.  ;)

Seriously though she is probably the best choice in the commons.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:22:18
It looks like rumours resurfacing about Celtic and rangers joining the premiership.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:28:09
It looks like rumours resurfacing about Celtic and rangers joining the premiership.
Yeah I read that, as long as they start in the bottom tier of English football then I have no objection, but no way should they be allowed into the top 4 divisions straight off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:51:00
2 teams in every league would have to be displaced to make room for them. That would be wrong.

Start them in non-league first. Make them earn their place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:54:39
Quote from: chalkies shorts
It looks like rumours resurfacing about Celtic and rangers joining the premiership.

hopefully UEFA will object as strongly as they did with the euro League


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:54:46
I quite like the idea of an all-UK Cup competition to replace the League cup. Got no real issue with integration between the Scottish and English leagues, but if it was to happen I'd like to go beyond just Celtic and Rangers. A cup competition seems like a way of trying it out without ruining the financial viability of the Scottish leagues.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:58:56
I quite like the idea of an all-UK Cup competition to replace the League cup. Got no real issue with integration between the Scottish and English leagues, but if it was to happen I'd like to go beyond just Celtic and Rangers. A cup competition seems like a way of trying it out without ruining the financial viability of the Scottish leagues.
Been done before.

https://www.stevesfootballstats.uk/anglo_scottish_cup.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 10:59:31
The plan is for them to start at the top. Money grabbing again. Fuck the sheff utds, Brighton,s, Burnley's of this world.
The ESL will happen and eventually morph into a world league 1 and 2 with South American teams, a USA franchise or two, a Chinese one, a south African one etc. This will add the competitive edge but keeping the riff raff out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 11:09:49
The plan is for them to start at the top. Money grabbing again. Fuck the sheff utds, Brighton,s, Burnley's of this world.
The ESL will happen and eventually morph into a world league 1 and 2 with South American teams, a USA franchise or two, a Chinese one, a south African one etc. This will add the competitive edge but keeping the riff raff out.
Some good away days to come then ??.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 15:00:15
Looks like Perez is keen to keep this fun still

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56873448


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 18:15:08
The plan is for them to start at the top. Money grabbing again. Fuck the sheff utds, Brighton,s, Burnley's of this world.
The ESL will happen and eventually morph into a world league 1 and 2 with South American teams, a USA franchise or two, a Chinese one, a south African one etc. This will add the competitive edge but keeping the riff raff out.
No eventually about it. That's why they called it the Super League, not the European Super League, the European bit was added by the press and pundits. The plan has always been for those 5 invited teams to be the likes of LA Galaxy, Ghangzhou etc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, April 24, 2021, 21:11:18
Hopefully, the legacy supporters of those PL sides will decide to go and watch/support their local div 4 or NL sides instead.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 26, 2021, 16:27:02
I know we’re all worrying about ourselves at the moment, but there is a very real chance of Derby County doing a Bury.

Don’t know what’s been going on there but it ain’t good.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/feb/25/derby-takeover-silence-and-mounting-debts-how-did-it-come-to-this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 26, 2021, 19:19:51
I know we’re all worrying about ourselves at the moment, but there is a very real chance of Derby County doing a Bury.

Don’t know what’s been going on there but it ain’t good.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/feb/25/derby-takeover-silence-and-mounting-debts-how-did-it-come-to-this

By paying shit loads of money to ex premier league players hoping to score the mother load and pay off the debts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, April 26, 2021, 20:02:33
That's dated. They're being bought by some Spanish chap.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/erik-alonso-derby-county-takeover-5291659



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 26, 2021, 20:31:54
That's dated. They're being bought by some Spanish chap.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/erik-alonso-derby-county-takeover-5291659
Or more likely they've been bought by a Far East consortium fronted by an Indonesian who is himself using the 29-year old Spaniard with little to no experience and very little money of his own as a front man. It could be fine, it might not be.

But you're right the original article is badly out of date. TBF it is from February so it was accurate then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 01:18:15
That's dated. They're being bought by some Spanish chap.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/erik-alonso-derby-county-takeover-5291659


The problem is that there are concerns he won’t pass the ‘test’ as the EFL are twitchy about where the money is actually coming from. My link was really about how they got to this point - and that’s with a fan as owner who has put £100m of his own money in!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 5, 2021, 13:53:20
Looks like Valencia are on the brink of bankruptcy. Owned by Salford’s very own Peter Lim.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/sports/soccer/valencia-peter-lim.html#click=https://t.co/lTorCqEkUM


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 6, 2021, 06:26:10
That's dated. They're being bought by some Spanish chap.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/erik-alonso-derby-county-takeover-5291659


Latest

The takeover of Derby County is in serious doubt after claims that prospective owner Erik Alonso has attempted to refinance Pride Park in a bid to fund the deal.

Sportsmail has been told that alarm bells are ringing inside the club and there is a realisation that the buyout is unlikely to go through.

Alonso has provided proof of funds — it is not known if this money belonged to him or an associate — but sources say he does not intend to use that to complete the purchase of the Championship club.

What’s also interesting in our current situation is that Alonso also acts as an agent so it seems incredulous that the EFL/FA have even let the buyout get this far.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 6, 2021, 12:49:53
Here’s an interesting statistic. In games against 7 of the 8 top teams in L1 the piss stains have amassed just 8 points.

STFC have 11.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 6, 2021, 14:14:10
Here’s an interesting statistic. In games against 7 of the 8 top teams in L1 the piss stains have amassed just 8 points.

STFC have 11.
We should be allowed to swap league places with them on that basis alone!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 7, 2021, 11:47:31
Or more likely they've been bought by a Far East consortium fronted by an Indonesian who is himself using the 29-year old Spaniard with little to no experience and very little money of his own as a front man. It could be fine, it might not be.

But you're right the original article is badly out of date. TBF it is from February so it was accurate then.
Or, in fact, not bought, as it turns out Alonso is as suspected, a massive bullshitter with no money

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1390548540498264073

EDIT: apologies to Audrey who it seems has already posted pretty much the same info. AudreyMedia could rival tansmedia for being first off the press!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 7, 2021, 11:56:33
Latest

The takeover of Derby County is in serious doubt after claims that prospective owner Erik Alonso has attempted to refinance Pride Park in a bid to fund the deal.

Alonso has provided proof of funds — it is not known if this money belonged to him or an associate — but sources say he does not intend to use that to complete the purchase of the Championship club.

Isn't this broadly what the Glazers did to buy Man Utd?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 7, 2021, 12:01:23
Pretty much. Raised loans on the club to buy it. What a scam that is!

Apparently since 2013? when the Glazers ‘bought’ Man Utd the loans they used have racked up £833m in interest alone!

Derby are right in it - even if they survive getting relegated tomorrow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 7, 2021, 12:12:00
Isn't this broadly what the Glazers did to buy Man Utd?
And the Americans who have just bought Burnley with their own (i.e. Burnley's) cash reserves. They've turned a £50m surplus into an £80m debt to finance their takeover


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 7, 2021, 18:59:37
Uefa fining 9 of the teams a paltry £1.5m each for the ESL debacle. Pathetic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, May 7, 2021, 19:07:00
Uefa fining 9 of the teams a paltry £1.5m each for the ESL debacle. Pathetic

That's one or two u23s for each squad kicked off the books to solve that problem then or just raise the price of tickets by £1.50 and bobs ya sprocket.

£1.50
x
50,000 (fans)
=
£75,000
x
20 (games min)
=
£1.5m

That is not a punishment. They know folk are frothing at the mouth to get back to live football. Should've been harder. Yet Town will probably get the fucking book thrown at them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:00:15
Not the moving it to the UK which makes sense, more the fact that they would move the play off final to accommodate it, why can't the Champions League final be played at somewhere like Villa Park if they want it in the UK and leave the play off game where it is!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57051804


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 10, 2021, 13:01:04
Because the FA are money grabbing cunts. Not withstanding in debt to pay off the colossal bill for Wembley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 10, 2021, 13:36:44
UEFA now considering playing the champions league final in Portugal

Just play it here ffs, this lot couldnt run a bath


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 10, 2021, 14:53:49
McBurnie. What a cunt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=McBurnie&src=trend_click&vertical=trends


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 10, 2021, 15:00:23
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
McBurnie. What a cunt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=McBurnie&src=trend_click&vertical=trends (https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=McBurnie&src=trend_click&vertical=trends)

what the hell kicked him off?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: welshred on Monday, May 10, 2021, 15:04:01
what the hell kicked him off?

I think that's the point with this. Absolutely zero context to what has set him off. Obviously its not a good idea to kick off when you have a public profile, but the video appears to have been neatly cropped so it doesn't show the full altercation.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 10, 2021, 15:05:00
yeah. it's easy to say 'just walk away', but two sides to every story.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, May 10, 2021, 17:02:13
Curran on Instagram story today promoting gambling tipsters and showing off his bet wins! Is that even allowed?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: stfcjack on Monday, May 10, 2021, 17:03:00
He’s “up big time in the last few days” so at least he’s doing well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 10, 2021, 17:30:01
Curran on Instagram story today promoting gambling tipsters and showing off his bet wins! Is that even allowed?!

Assuming it is not football related assume yes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 08:35:07
He’s “up big time in the last few days” so at least he’s doing well

I suspect its daddy's money though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 09:24:13
He’s “up big time in the last few days” so at least he’s doing well

Gamblers only show you their winnings as a rule.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 13, 2021, 11:19:13
I haven't done masses of research on it but initially the decision to move the Champions League final from Istanbul to Porto, when there are 2 English sides taking part doesn't seem logical.

Why couldn't it have just taken place in England? And it didn't have to be Wembley, I am sure a number of Premier league sides would have been able to host the game, I think its 6,000 from each team allowed so didn't even need to be a Premier league side. (although I suspect lower league clubs are busy on their pitches now the league has ended)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, May 13, 2021, 11:21:06
I haven't done masses of research on it but initially the decision to move the Champions League final from Istanbul to Porto, when there are 2 English sides taking part doesn't seem logical.

Why couldn't it have just taken place in England? And it didn't have to be Wembley, I am sure a number of Premier league sides would have been able to host the game, I think its 6,000 from each team allowed so didn't even need to be a Premier league side. (although I suspect lower league clubs are busy on their pitches now the league has ended)

Because the UK government, rightly, wouldn't make concessions on quarantine periods for UEFA support staff, broadcast staff, media and commercial visitors. c.2000 people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 13, 2021, 11:42:59
Because the UK government, rightly, wouldn't make concessions on quarantine periods for UEFA support staff, broadcast staff, media and commercial visitors. c.2000 people.

I knew there would be a proper reason, thanks. Makes much more sense when you put it that way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pauld on Thursday, May 13, 2021, 20:16:34
Or, in fact, not bought, as it turns out Alonso is as suspected, a massive bullshitter with no money

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1390548540498264073

EDIT: apologies to Audrey who it seems has already posted pretty much the same info. AudreyMedia could rival tansmedia for being first off the press!
Derby finally realise Alonso is a massive bullshitter - they should have asked Aud, he could have told them this weeks ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/05/13/derby-scrap-negotiations-spanish-businessman-erik-alonso-proposed/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 14, 2021, 14:18:31
(https://i8.amplience.net/i/jpl/jd_412662_a?qlt=92&w=750&h=957&v=1)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:10:03
This shows perfectly what's gone wrong with the modern game. Defenders having to do this....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:12:40
I'm surprised none are wearing gloves😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:13:14
This shows perfectly what's gone wrong with the modern game. Defenders having to do this....

I noticed this yesterday as well. He's basically having to reduce the chances of blocking the ball just in case he handles it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, May 16, 2021, 11:13:36
I'm surprised none are wearing gloves😀

Zabòooooooooub


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 10:43:27
Yowzer!

The 32 clubs who have published some results to date in the top two divisions have made total day to day losses of £1,653,000,000. Clubs are averaging losses of £660,000 a week in the Championship & £1,250,000 a week in the Premier League.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 12:03:32
So its not just us and Taylor Curran then :D

(https://i.postimg.cc/RCynMTj9/curran.png)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 12:32:43
Yowzer!

The 32 clubs who have published some results to date in the top two divisions have made total day to day losses of £1,653,000,000. Clubs are averaging losses of £660,000 a week in the Championship & £1,250,000 a week in the Premier League.

The whole thing is broken isn't it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 13:26:33
So its not just us and Taylor Curran then :D

(https://i.postimg.cc/RCynMTj9/curran.png)

He's probably better though.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 13:40:55
yeah, they're drawing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, May 19, 2021, 05:34:25
Yowzer!

The 32 clubs who have published some results to date in the top two divisions have made total day to day losses of £1,653,000,000. Clubs are averaging losses of £660,000 a week in the Championship & £1,250,000 a week in the Premier League.
I think that shows how obscene payments are in football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 27, 2021, 05:53:43
It is in the Daily Mail, your favourite choice for quality journalism so it’s probably bullshit unless you’re quoting from it to further your own agenda.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9622273/Barcelona-Real-Madrid-Juventus-launch-astonishing-joint-statement-amid-Super-League-debacle.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 27, 2021, 10:12:37
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57263805

Something seriously needs to be done properly about this. Why should a footballer (well anyone really) have to go online and read racist abuse from (presumably) his own fans? Football, and society really needs to get itself out of the gutter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, May 27, 2021, 10:45:54
Social media was a mistake.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 1, 2021, 09:34:16
Just a mess really.... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gianluigi-donnarummas-remarkable-contract-failure-24218437


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 4, 2021, 14:20:26
Bristol Shitty owner Lansdown converts another £14m in club debts into shares and has them written off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, June 4, 2021, 14:33:21
Bristol Shitty owner Lansdown converts another £14m in club debts into shares and has them written off.
And they still can't get above the championship, Oh for an owner with cash to splash like that.  :please: :please:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, June 4, 2021, 14:59:21
To be fair, they have only been going since 1982


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 4, 2021, 15:04:01
Ooh, the big 4 0 next year  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 06:20:47
Not sure if this should be in the ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thread.

The Rangers Chairman has suggested the top 4 Scottish clubs joining the Caribou Cup. Tbf, that competition has become very stale and I don’t think I would be against it - unless we’re drawn away to Aberdeen!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 08:07:11
Not sure if this should be in the ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thread.

The Rangers Chairman has suggested the top 4 Scottish clubs joining the Caribou Cup. Tbf, that competition has become very stale and I don’t think I would be against it - unless we’re drawn away to Aberdeen!

Aberdeen is a great city! Bit of a trek mind but would be a brilliant away day. Not like Swindon are ever going to get into Europe anyway so would be the closest to an away European trip we're likely to get.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:15:52
Not sure if this should be in the ‘good’ or ‘bad’ thread.

The Rangers Chairman has suggested the top 4 Scottish clubs joining the Caribou Cup. Tbf, that competition has become very stale and I don’t think I would be against it - unless we’re drawn away to Aberdeen!

To be fair, the league cup is a competition that could do with a bit of a revamp.
Could add all the Scots Prem teams in tbf.
They’d probably all take it seriously and for then it’s a potential route into Europe.
Would also throw up some new fixtures.

Only down side would be (apart from the final) aren’t all the other games mid week.
Celtic away on a Tuesday night is probably a bit too much of a trek


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:23:19
Aberdeen is a great city! Bit of a trek mind but would be a brilliant away day. Not like Swindon are ever going to get into Europe anyway so would be the closest to an away European trip we're likely to get.
I went there last year just after lockdown, it didnt feel very great at the time, mid August and pissing with rain on both days we visited!

It is miles from anywhere though!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:31:10
Aberdeen away would be the most convenient Town game possible for me now really, bring on the Anglo-Scottish Cup!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:31:17
I went there last year just after lockdown, it didnt feel very great at the time, mid August and pissing with rain on both days we visited!

It is miles from anywhere though!

I think because there is a lot of Granite, it has a grey and dark look about it, not helped in dreek conditions!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:50:09
I think because there is a lot of Granite, it has a grey and dark look about it, not helped in dreek conditions!
Dreek does indeed sum the city up! it was mid August and it was 10 degrees, wet and windy!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: leftside on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 13:41:20
I took my daughter to an Aberdeen Uni open day a couple of summers ago. We drove up in a day and took in a visit to Dundee V&A en route.

It goes without saying that we had to have a look at Pittodrie before enjoying an ice cream on the prom.

Great place but they can stick to their own competitions, thanks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, June 10, 2021, 23:00:20
Their Angus Beef is nice😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 11, 2021, 00:39:58
This has reminded me I have to do a Rangers v Celtic game at some point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 23:02:49
Derby found guilty of... something... them and Wycombe will have interchangeable fixture lists. Really bizarre! EFL statement was at 11.30PM!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 23:23:45
Derby found guilty of... something... them and Wycombe will have interchangeable fixture lists. Really bizarre! EFL statement was at 11.30PM!
Championship club Derby County have been fined £100,000 over some of their accounting policies.

However, the English Football League has the option to appeal against the verdict and may call for a points deduction - which could see the Rams relegated from the Championship.

The EFL said in a statement on Wednesday that, pending any appeal, it had developed an interchangeable fixture list for next season for Derby and Wycombe Wanderers, while the disciplinary process is finalised.

Wycombe were relegated on the last day of last season, finishing one point behind Derby.

The fixtures for the forthcoming Championship season are due to be released on Thursday at 09:00 BST.

The Rams were cleared of breaching Financial Fair Play rules last year.

However, the EFL appealed against the decision to an independent tribunal and won the element of the case concerning how the club measured the value of players - called amortisation.

On Wednesday, the EFL said Derby had been fined and also issued with a reprimand as to their future conduct.

The club has also been ordered to file restated accounts for financial years ending 30 June 2016, 2017 and 2018 "together with updated profit and sustainability calculations if necessary," the EFL said.

So, Lee Power, be aware !!.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, June 24, 2021, 08:35:31
Our fixtures have been released this morning, Scunthorpe away first up


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, June 24, 2021, 08:42:41
Championship club Derby County have been fined £100,000 over some of their accounting policies.

However, the English Football League has the option to appeal against the verdict and may call for a points deduction - which could see the Rams relegated from the Championship.

The EFL said in a statement on Wednesday that, pending any appeal, it had developed an interchangeable fixture list for next season for Derby and Wycombe Wanderers, while the disciplinary process is finalised.

Wycombe were relegated on the last day of last season, finishing one point behind Derby.

The fixtures for the forthcoming Championship season are due to be released on Thursday at 09:00 BST.

The Rams were cleared of breaching Financial Fair Play rules last year.

However, the EFL appealed against the decision to an independent tribunal and won the element of the case concerning how the club measured the value of players - called amortisation.

On Wednesday, the EFL said Derby had been fined and also issued with a reprimand as to their future conduct.

The club has also been ordered to file restated accounts for financial years ending 30 June 2016, 2017 and 2018 "together with updated profit and sustainability calculations if necessary," the EFL said.

So, Lee Power, be aware !!.

If Derby suddenly get hit with a points deduction and are therefore relegated I’m not sure if that is a godsend to Wycombe, they’ll have already been well into preparations for a league one campaign with players possibly leaving with get out clauses in their contracts and players being released etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 24, 2021, 08:49:47
Our fixtures have been released this morning, Scunthorpe away first up

What's wrong with that? soapy tit wank


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 24, 2021, 14:05:34
I am kind of indifferent to this, but UEFA are scrapping the away goals rule next season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, June 24, 2021, 14:45:30
What was the last game Swindon would have played that involved away goals?? And when would they have last won on away goals??

Im guessing some LDV vans game near the turn of the century?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 16:04:12
The EFL have announced that Peter Ridsdale has been elected onto the board as he is seen by Rick Parry as an advocate of spending limits & changing football’s financial distribution model.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 16:56:57
Distributing the money to his pockets no doubt


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 16:59:23
And people think power is finished in football!!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 09:07:57
Meanwhile in France......

https://youtu.be/GSZ3S9lHOUI


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:07:58
(https://scontent.fman4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/239734771_4320294271388508_2375108249154939732_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=--e9G3EHtQkAX_OmiVr&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-2.fna&oh=cea67a7cef145456be794c3bbb3ec45a&oe=614935E0)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:11:40
Funniest bit is the Nice president trying to blame Payet for throwing the bottles back, he got absolutely smashed by one on the back so don't blame him for chucking it back. Too many seem to think players are robotic professionals and should ignore everything, they are paid to play football not accept basically being assaulted.

French League are just as bad, tried to force the match to restart and now trying to push a 3-0 defeat on Marseille for 'forfeiting' the match.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:18:09
this could go in many threads. But at least Barnet are communicating. soapy tit wank

https://barnetfc.com/a-message-from-our-chairman (https://barnetfc.com/a-message-from-our-chairman)

and they lost 5-0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:21:06
this could go in many threads. But at least Barnet are communicating. soapy tit wank

https://barnetfc.com/a-message-from-our-chairman (https://barnetfc.com/a-message-from-our-chairman)

and they lost 5-0

They had my full support before they inflicted 2,000 cans of Fosters on their fans....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 10:23:42
They had my full support before they inflicted 2,000 cans of Fosters on their fans....

haha - I was thinking something similar. I wonder what the 'chef' was like they employed that wasn't 'up to standard'. Surely he just has to flip a few burgers and fry some chips etc?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 11:53:55
Funniest bit is the Nice president trying to blame Payet for throwing the bottles back, he got absolutely smashed by one on the back so don't blame him for chucking it back. Too many seem to think players are robotic professionals and should ignore everything, they are paid to play football not accept basically being assaulted.
True....but by that logic every player that gets kicked during a match is therefore entitled to kick the other player back.
It is understandable that Payet reacted, but not really excusable. The point is that the referee should have stopped the game before it got to that situation.

And Nice should be punished because of the actions of their fans. The French FA are cocks (or coqs) if they award the match to Nice as it is giving a green light to any other set of moronic fans to act in the same manner.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 12:30:00
If someone throws a bottle from the crowd it may or may not hit a player. If the player throws it in to the crowd then he's sure to hit someone and high up too. The chances of him hitting whoever threw it? Could be a thug, could be a woman or child. Payet was a fucking idiot as was carragher a few years back.
I'd like to see whoever he hit sue him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 12:42:37
Players should not have bottles thrown at them. Whoever did it should be found and punished accordingly.

And players should not throw them back. The twat could have hit a kid. It's nothing to do with not being a robot. It's everything to do with being a decent human being.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:13:26
If someone throws a bottle from the crowd it may or may not hit a player. If the player throws it in to the crowd then he's sure to hit someone and high up too. The chances of him hitting whoever threw it? Could be a thug, could be a woman or child. Payet was a fucking idiot as was carragher a few years back.
I'd like to see whoever he hit sue him.
Seriously?! Have you actually even seen the videos? The one where Payet gets smashed in the back of the head and the injury it has left on his back. It's all great being high and mighty on an internet forum but I'd challenge any of you not to react if you were basically just assaulted, it was absolutely disgusting and that's the second time in 2 weeks he's had this with no action from the French authorities. Punishing Payet just reinforces their behaviour as it will make them believe that physically baiting a player can eventually cause players to get into trouble themselves!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:14:41
Seriously?! Have you actually even seen the videos? The one where Payet gets smashed in the back of the head and the injury it has left on his back. It's all great being high and mighty on an internet forum but I'd challenge any of you not to react if you were basically just assaulted, it was absolutely disgusting and that's the second time in 2 weeks he's had this with no action from the French authorities. Punishing Payet just reinforces their behaviour as it will make them believe that physically baiting a player can eventually cause players to get into trouble themselves!
Agree totally with this. He should not have reacted the way he did but i totally undertsand why he did


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:21:18
There is nothing 'high and mighty' about objecting to bottles being thrown into a crowd of people. Behave.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:35:18
There is nothing 'high and mighty' about objecting to bottles being thrown into a crowd of people. Behave.
Again I'd challenge you not to eventually react after repeatedly being subjected to it and nothing being done to stop it for successive matches. And don't throw the professional or paid enough to ignore it card as players are paid to play football not to provide target practice for Neanderthals.  If you've just almost been knocked out, acting in a calm and collected manner is unlikely to be the first thing on your mind.

If Payet gets anything it should be a quiet word in private, nothing should be done to stop the whole spotlight focus being solely on Nice and the lack of protection to players from the authorities. But at the moment their moron of president seems to be succeeding in pushing the blame on to Marseille which is a complete nonsense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:38:14
I would not react in such a way.

It doesn't make me a saint or 'high and mighty'. It just makes me somebody who's aware that the bottle could land anywhere and hurt anybody. It would also be fucking moronic considering the low chances of hitting the person who even threw it.

Quote
If you've just almost been knocked out, acting in a calm and collected manner is unlikely to be the first thing on your mind.

Who said anything about staying calm? I wouldn't be calm. But that doesn't mean I'll throw a bottle unto a crowd of people.

You need to wind it in a bit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:41:17
Seriously?! Have you actually even seen the videos? The one where Payet gets smashed in the back of the head and the injury it has left on his back. It's all great being high and mighty on an internet forum but I'd challenge any of you not to react if you were basically just assaulted, it was absolutely disgusting and that's the second time in 2 weeks he's had this with no action from the French authorities. Punishing Payet just reinforces their behaviour as it will make them believe that physically baiting a player can eventually cause players to get into trouble themselves!
Yes I'm serious but you're correct the French authorities need to act.
Payet is innocent so almost certainly is the person he hit. Throwing the bottle back into the crowd was going to get a reaction.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:42:05
I would not react in such a way.

It doesn't make me a saint or 'high and mighty'. It just makes me somebody who's aware that the bottle could land anywhere and hurt anybody. It would also be fucking moronic considering the low chances of hitting the person who even threw it.

You need to wind it in a bit.
I stand by my point that the majority of people would eventually snap, and easy to criticise but unless you are put in his position you'll never know!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:45:25
It is very easy indeed for me to criticize because I would not throw a bottle into a crowd of people - because it's a massively twattish thing to do. 

Why are you getting so defensive over him anyway?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:55:06
It is very easy indeed for me to criticize because I would not throw a bottle into a crowd of people - because it's a massively twattish thing to do. 

Why are you getting so defensive over him anyway?
Because having watched the game on TV they were pelted in the warm up at that end, pelted at every corner and goal kick down that end and nothing was done. If the authorities don't do anything then eventually the players will take it into their own hands and that's what happened, to try and pin the blame on Payet for what happened as their president has is just a poor deflection tactic.

I'd happily wager there were no women or kids in that part of the stadium as it's the home of their hooligan mob (I'm not going to call them Ultra's) locate themselves so have absolutely no sympathy for any person in that part of the stadium.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:55:25
Toys and prams?  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 14:55:41
I've heard theakston2k throws bottles at kids


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 15:10:00
I have heard Flasheart throws children at players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 15:11:52
I have heard Flasheart throws children at players

Only the small ones.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, August 24, 2021, 15:14:14
Eric Cantona didn't like being told to f**k off back to France😀

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PSY7KYThk


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, August 29, 2021, 06:41:25
This is disgusting

https://mobile.twitter.com/sfeher/status/1431616995410186243/video/1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, August 29, 2021, 07:38:23
This is disgusting

https://mobile.twitter.com/sfeher/status/1431616995410186243/video/1

Worse than disgusting. Still retribution and revenge is sweet buts it’s not fattening and just being on social media like this will bring both.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 3, 2021, 05:19:15
I see Wayne Rooney’s Derby County have a 5th FA charge on their rap sheet - failure to publish audited accounts. Seeing as they are in trouble with their 4 previous annual accounts I can guess this year’s can’t be published until they’ve cooked them.

Also charged with failure to pay other clubs for player transfer fees. Wonder if Power actually got anything for Jayden Bogle. If Derby haven’t been paying clubs I’d imagine lil ol’ STFC would be way down the list.

Here’s hoping.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 17:11:16
Sheesh, and we thought Power was bad...

(https://i.imgur.com/GRAcrM5.png)

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1440681467135205376


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 17:42:50
Seeem to be so many of these charlatans, chancers and crooks in the EFL


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 17:56:16
It’s not going to go away, is it?

https://twitter.com/mirrorfootball/status/1440616868100726784?s=21


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, September 22, 2021, 18:25:42
It’s not going to go away, is it?

https://twitter.com/mirrorfootball/status/1440616868100726784?s=21

Yo pep. These players CAN play all of the time against championship and league one teams. Its called the loan system mate. fuck off back to la liga and enjoy the b teams


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 7, 2021, 11:48:27
Looks like the Newcastle takeover is going through. Realise the ship on ethical money in football (and Britain generally tbh) sailed some time ago but christ, there has to be a line somewhere, eventually, doesn't there?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, October 7, 2021, 16:06:39
Looks like the Newcastle takeover is going through. Realise the ship on ethical money in football (and Britain generally tbh) sailed some time ago but christ, there has to be a line somewhere, eventually, doesn't there?

Agreed, but as the country runs largely on foreign investment from dubious sources, and the fact that the next World Cup is being held in Qatar, who have an equally poor humanitarian record it does seem a bit odd that the corrupt premier league were expected to be the ones taking the moral high ground.

Let’s be fair it will have been the big boys who don’t want anymore competition that tried to stop it, and that’s purely for selfish reasons


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, October 7, 2021, 16:30:06
Possibly the most entitled take on the Newcastle takeover:

https://twitter.com/omgrotb/status/1445873952761389059


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 7, 2021, 17:02:03
Quote from: ibelieveinmrreeves
Possibly the most entitled take on the Newcastle takeover:

https://twitter.com/omgrotb/status/1445873952761389059 (https://twitter.com/omgrotb/status/1445873952761389059)

what a bell end


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, October 8, 2021, 07:46:46
It’s been deleted. What was the general gist?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 8, 2021, 07:59:24
It’s been deleted. What was the general gist?

That Newcastle fans have been through 'footballing torture' for the last 14 years or so. He was getting pelters from people advising that supporting Bury or Macclesfield is more like 'torture' compared to the plight of Newcastle. I guess he got tired of trying to put over his point of view.

Premier league fans are literally the most dramatic people on the planet, pathetic.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 08:21:27
I'd explain Nick, but

"Unless you are a Toon fan, you have no real concept of what football torture is. It's not just what happens on the pitch, but more so, it's what happens off it. A chairman that hates us, and refuses to invest. 10 years of pain, a ground that has slowly degraded. we need this!"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 8, 2021, 08:28:08
I'm all a bit torn about this, having lived up there for a while I have a soft spot for Newcastle and if I have a 'big' team its probably them so its nice to see them getting away from Ashley. On the other hand a large number of their fans have acted like entitled twats for 2 years about this and made pricks of themselves.

The whole SA thing stinks, but the PL trying to suggest it was some sort of moral thing is bollocks, it was all to do with the TV rights and when that was sorted it all clicked into place.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:09:12
I've nothing against Newcastle, just this post.

they're not even the most 'tortured' team that play in black and white stripes, and whose name begin with N


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:16:41
Nothing says innocent like a NDA followed by getting it dismissed on a technicality.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58840227


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 8, 2021, 09:37:51
'Boro fans felt left out....

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/taliban-to-take-over-middlesbrough-fc-20211008212884

:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:32:34
Football fans have fucking short memories, if Newcastle go on a 3 game winning run or win a trophy they won't give a flying fuck where the owners come from.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:36:14
Football fans have fucking short memories, if Newcastle go on a 3 game winning run or win a trophy they won't give a flying fuck where the owners come from.

Not sure I have seen any NUFC fans give a shit where the cash is coming from they are high on money and power at the moment, rather ironic after all their bleating about cartels being too powerful etc?

Be interesting to see having pushed for the deal, how critical any Chronicle reporters dare to be if things turn sour on or off the pitch.

Kudos to Steve Bruce he managed to cling on for long enough to get a decent pay off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 8, 2021, 10:43:21
Not sure I have seen any NUFC fans give a shit where the cash is coming from they are high on money and power at the moment, rather ironic after all their bleating about cartels being too powerful etc?
I have several (about 10) mates who are Geordies and fans and at least 3 have questioned the background of the consortium. One of my friends, the ex cofounder of Viz, Simon Donald (self proclaimed Geordie media whore), is being exceptionally outspoken already about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, October 8, 2021, 11:47:55
Football fans have fucking short memories, if Newcastle go on a 3 game winning run or win a trophy they won't give a flying fuck where the owners come from.

Or their ‘Wonga’..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 8, 2021, 11:50:20
I have several (about 10) mates who are Geordies and fans and at least 3 have questioned the background of the consortium. One of my friends, the ex cofounder of Viz, Simon Donald (self proclaimed Geordie media whore), is being exceptionally outspoken already about it.

Fucking name dropper!  :D ;)

I must confess due to Covid I have not discussed it with my closest Geordie mates who tend to be more cerebral than those on Facebook who I went to Uni with who seem to have turned rather Tommy Robinson in recent times and see the takeover as brilliant and throw all manner of whataboutery about if anyone queries.

See Eddie Howe is currently bookies favourite to replace Bruce, that would be hilarious and rather contradict the Benitez level manager many fans think they will be getting.

Most interesting, who is going to be their Robinho, hope its Countinho!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, October 9, 2021, 12:11:08
All the clubs, except NUFC, being angry at Newcastle takeover!

One presumes that the takeover was originally stopped because the PL wanted to protect the big 6. I wonder if any of the “big 6” have said, “see, this is why we wanted to super league, the big 6, needs to stay the big 6!” I think it’s hilarious.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/08/angry-premier-league-clubs-demand-emergency-meeting-on-newcastle-deal


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, October 24, 2021, 10:55:45
Seems everybody’s favourite scouse Manager, Joey Barton, has managed to infuriate another section of society by using the word ‘holocaust’ in his post match interview yesterday.

Say what you like, but he’s a full on loony tune.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, October 24, 2021, 10:59:13
Seems everybody’s favourite scouse Manager, Joey Barton, has managed to infuriate another section of society by using the word ‘holocaust’ in his post match interview yesterday.

Say what you like, but he’s a full on loony tune.

Maybe he should team with PDC for a footballing management dream team with Roy Keane as fitness coach?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 12:15:16
Bugger me..... https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/ligue-1/2021-2022/psg-midfielder-aminata-diallo-arrested-in-connection-to-attack-on-team-mate-kheira-hamraoui_sto8623107/story.shtml


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 10, 2021, 16:48:27
You can always count on the PL.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59234391


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, November 11, 2021, 07:59:14
If allowed would probably have about as much impact as kneeling before games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, November 11, 2021, 08:15:57
Great opportunity to help our own as so many people constantly tell us we should be doing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, November 11, 2021, 08:53:24
Can't be seen to be doing that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, November 11, 2021, 08:58:26
If allowed would probably have about as much impact as kneeling before games.

The fact that you have brought it up tells you that the kneeling before games is having the desired effect of keeping the point of the kneeling on the agenda.  The purpose of the kneeling is not to fix racism, it's to keep people talking about it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 11, 2021, 09:10:15
Great opportunity to help our own as so many people constantly tell us we should be doing

Yeah, sadly the truth is rather more like this...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDmy219X0AEJP_7?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 15, 2021, 17:20:31
Early July start next season. No stopping for L1/2, so we could be without a couple if they are still here. Strange there is no mention of the FA Cup.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/november/efl-fixture-schedule-202223/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, November 15, 2021, 17:21:14
You can cancel games due to international callups if needed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 15, 2021, 17:24:38
So if Wollacott and Williams are away in Qatar we could go the entire 5 weeks of the WC without a game?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, November 15, 2021, 17:28:09
So if Wollacott and Williams are away in Qatar we could go the entire 5 weeks of the WC without a game?

Isn’t it minimum of 3 players away to request a postponement? I may be wrong tho.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 15, 2021, 17:45:04
Isn’t it minimum of 3 players away to request a postponement? I may be wrong tho.

It is 3 minimum.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, November 15, 2021, 17:46:47
No way should we cancel 5 weeks worth of games IMO even if we’ve got 3 players at the WC

The backlog of games we would have to catch up on negates the advantage of getting those players back, just suck it up and try and do without


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 15, 2021, 18:56:27
Think ahead and consider who we currently have as regular internationals and which of those we will have next season. What cannot obviously be factored in is any additions to the squad who in themselves may be internationals and will almost certainly be playing in Qatar. In fact I’ll go as far as to suggest that any managers/coaches/DOF looking in the closed season to strengthen their squads and we’ll certainly be one of them may in effect go out of their way to avoid offering them a contract at all. We’re not a PL or well off championship team able to absorb a player or two who’ll be missing for up to (five weeks?) plus friendliest to prep before a ball is kicked in anger. Balance that against the likely hood that any players we do have in the WC are unlikely to be playing after the initial group stages anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 15, 2021, 19:43:35
We’ll also be without JoJo in January when Ghana will be in the African Nations Cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, November 15, 2021, 19:58:02
Hopefully we don’t see the ‘Kasim effect’ on his return ala the 14/15 season!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, November 15, 2021, 20:01:07
That being given as a penalty.
Fucking hell


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, November 15, 2021, 20:14:29
That also being given as a penalty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 15, 2021, 20:15:14
Booking seemed unfair


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 15, 2021, 20:18:19
The commentary on the England game is boring me. It's like a love in for England and Harry Kane. Geez, give San Marino a break. England don't have to break a sweat.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, November 15, 2021, 20:46:58
I'm not sure the ref had much option with either of them. Even if the ball is clearly going out, if you stick your hand over your head to handle the ball it's going to be a pen and you may get booked if it looks like it was deliberate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, November 15, 2021, 20:55:33
Are we overlooking the fact it didn’t even hit his hand?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 07:08:20
Despite having salaries capped by the EFL to a max of £8.5k pw Reading have just signed Andy Carroll on a short term contract. To go alongside other high earners that, somehow, they’ve managed to hide their actual salaries. And they’re supposed to be under an umbongo!

And we get called Swindle!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 07:21:28
The commentary on the England game is boring me. It's like a love in for England and Harry Kane. Geez, give San Marino a break. England don't have to break a sweat.

No different to when the top prem sides are playing a 'lesser' side. Yes, it's annoying.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 08:51:17
Are we overlooking the fact it didn’t even hit his hand?

Both incidents clearly hit hands and were clear penalties, however harsh it was on San Marino and whether they should have got yellows for them.  If you want to see an obvious mistake, take a look at our dissallowed goal and subsequent yellow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 09:42:13
San Marino 0 England 10 absolutely no point in having these fixtures anymore when the game becomes an embarrassment for the opposition and they simply aren't good enough to compete.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 09:49:20
Both incidents clearly hit hands and were clear penalties, however harsh it was on San Marino and whether they should have got yellows for them.  If you want to see an obvious mistake, take a look at our dissallowed goal and subsequent yellow.

The first one didn’t touch his hand
The second one was hit towards him from a couple of yards away.
Neither should have been given.

Nor should England’s goal have been disallowed either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 10:00:06
The first one didn’t touch his hand
The second one was hit towards him from a couple of yards away.
Neither should have been given.

Nor should England’s goal have been disallowed either.
First one did touch but was still harsh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 10:09:13
Despite having salaries capped by the EFL to a max of £8.5k pw Reading have just signed Andy Carroll on a short term contract. To go alongside other high earners that, somehow, they’ve managed to hide their actual salaries. And they’re supposed to be under an umbongo!

And we get called Swindle!


I would imagine that its some sort of pay when played deal and considering how injured he is I wonder whether that equate to less than £8.5k a week over a year!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 10:11:56
besides which he may have significantly lowered his wages in order to put himself in the shop window and prove his fitness ahead of the window.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 12:00:02
The first one didn’t touch his hand
The second one was hit towards him from a couple of yards away.
Neither should have been given.

Nor should England’s goal have been disallowed either.

Watch the replay of the first one, clearly clipped off of hand that was up in the air above his head.  The second was hit towards him from a couple of yards away yes, but his arm was out from his body and clearly blocked the shot.

The handball rule is hardly ideal and in some cases unfair, but it is the rule so both were valid penalties.  The examples I think are entirely unfair is when the ball hits the arm when the arm is in front of the body (the arms have got to be held somewhere) and if it hadn't had hit the arm it would have hit the body anyway.  In both of these case the arms were well outsode of the body and definitely affected the balls route towards the goal - did they stop a goal, possiblily, but they certainly affected a chance for a goal.



Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 12:19:19
Quote
The handball rule is hardly ideal and in some cases unfair, but it is the rule so both were valid penalties.  
this.

it drives me nuts. defenders having to defend with their hands behind their backs... just in case.

is like someone played FIFA 16, ball blasted from a yard hits hand... penalty.. yeah let's do that in real football

but it is the rule.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 13:04:31
Personally, I'd change the rule.  If the ball touches a hand, regardless of intent, a free kick or penalty is awarded.  Just make it clear cut and simple.

Yes, there will be penalties given when a ball strikes a hand from a few feet away.  The onus would be on the defender in such situation to make a judgement call - can I block this confidently with anywhere by the hand, or do I need to be far more careful about where I am chucking my body.

The concept of intent is daft - without everyone sitting down and presenting evidence, you cannot really know, especially in games without VAR.  Even then it's an educated guess.

Obviously I never played any decent level, but every time the ball ever hit my hands I'd instantly wait for the whistle to go, regardless of whether I was trying to touch the ball with my hands or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:05:22
couldn't disagree more. other than there being and always has been subjectivity on what is handball.

now offside, that's a different story


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:07:32
Not sure there is an easy solution to this which doesn't just heavily weigh things even more against defenders.

We already have a generation of 'exciting' attackers, a large part of whose game is to run at defenders really quickly in the knowledge that if the defender goes near then they fall over and win a free kick/penalty. With hand ball it was already getting the case that players knew that if you got into the area and were near a defender if you kicked the ball at their hand 9 times out of 10 you get a penalty.

Short of removing defenders hands (might become policy at Newcastle United anyway) not sure what can be done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:13:22
Personally, I'd change the rule.  If the ball touches a hand, regardless of intent, a free kick or penalty is awarded.  Just make it clear cut and simple.

Yes, there will be penalties given when a ball strikes a hand from a few feet away.  The onus would be on the defender in such situation to make a judgement call - can I block this confidently with anywhere by the hand, or do I need to be far more careful about where I am chucking my body.

The concept of intent is daft - without everyone sitting down and presenting evidence, you cannot really know, especially in games without VAR.  Even then it's an educated guess.

Obviously I never played any decent level, but every time the ball ever hit my hands I'd instantly wait for the whistle to go, regardless of whether I was trying to touch the ball with my hands or not.

What this conversation proves is the more that FIFA try to improve the game and it’s rules, in this case VAR, the more clouded they get. Over the last thirty to forty years there have been numerous initiatives, rule changes and interpretations so VAR is nothing new other than the technology aspect in trying to clarify the rules. Possibly in equal measure players, managers have tried in some cases successfully to be more clever in their approach to said changes. This kind of collective conversation will still be on going in twenty years I suspect.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:16:11
Not sure there is an easy solution to this which doesn't just heavily weigh things even more against defenders.

We already have a generation of 'exciting' attackers, a large part of whose game is to run at defenders really quickly in the knowledge that if the defender goes near then they fall over and win a free kick/penalty. With hand ball it was already getting the case that players knew that if you got into the area and were near a defender if you kicked the ball at their hand 9 times out of 10 you get a penalty.

Short of removing defenders hands (might become policy at Newcastle United anyway) not sure what can be done.

Short of removing defenders hands (might become policy at Newcastle United anyway) not sure what can be done.

Made me chuckle somewhat. Quite an escalation on a week or two weeks wage fine for club discipline infringements.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:23:02
Let's change the ruling handball should be just that not anywhere below the armpit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:37:26
some rule changes have been positive.

the backpass rule...

and more subs named on bench

and, er


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:46:46
It's ok having seven named players on the bench but many of them up and down the country never get used so it seems pointless😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: AMayesIng on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 14:51:45


Short of removing defenders hands (might become policy at Newcastle United anyway)

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 15:20:02
Let's change the ruling handball should be just that not anywhere below the armpit

I'd take my harsh approach of handball is handball, but make it anything below the elbow, essentially ruling out the ability to catch a ball with a degree of ease.  If players want to spend their time aiming at hands rather than a goal, let them crack on.  As a defender, I'd take that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 15:22:02
I'd take my harsh approach of handball is handball, but make it anything below the elbow, essentially ruling out the ability to catch a ball with a degree of ease.  If players want to spend their time aiming at hands rather than a goal, let them crack on.  As a defender, I'd take that.

fairly unheroic 9000th post.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 15:23:12
Good shout Robert. I woud also stop the clock and have it on display like in Rugby so everyone knows how long there is left to play.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 15:31:39
Should only be handball if…

1. The player gains an obvious advantage
and/or
2. It’s deliberate

If a shot is smashed at a defender from 2 yards away and his hand/arm is in a position where if they didn’t exist it would still hit another part of his body. Not handball.
If they are raised in a position where if they didn’t exist the ball would continue on its original trajectory but does not because of them. Handball.

If a shot is going high and wide and it just about brushes someone’s hand that makes no difference to the balls trajectory or anything in the entire universe. Not handball.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 15:50:28
fairly unheroic 9000th post.

We don't need another hero....

Lets be honest, there are no posts worthy of one-upmanship after an individual posts about losing all their clothes in a back alley


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 15:58:44
Should only be handball if…

1. The player gains an obvious advantage
and/or
2. It’s deliberate

If a shot is smashed at a defender from 2 yards away and his hand/arm is in a position where if they didn’t exist it would still hit another part of his body. Not handball.
If they are raised in a position where if they didn’t exist the ball would continue on its original trajectory but does not because of them. Handball.

If a shot is going high and wide and it just about brushes someone’s hand that makes no difference to the balls trajectory or anything in the entire universe. Not handball.



This is my view also - totally agree


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 16:08:27
We don't need another hero....

Lets be honest, there are no posts worthy of one-upmanship after an individual posts about losing all their clothes in a back alley

Wanna know what I did last night?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 18:43:44
Wanna know what I did last night?

I doubt he does. I think most of the forum in fact are not interested in the little fantasy exploits of the ‘night before’ that you write about.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 20:37:11
Oooh a forum rivalry.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 16, 2021, 21:53:02
Unheard of.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 06:49:38
I doubt he does. I think most of the forum in fact are not interested in the little fantasy exploits of the ‘night before’ that you write about.

Fair point. Carry on then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 09:58:56
BAT is not the forum rep Benny.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:22:48
After beating Bradford 3-0 in their replay last night it looks like Exeter will be kicked out of the FA cup for making 6 subs instead of the permitted 5.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:23:20
After beating Bradford 3-0 in their replay last night it looks like Exeter will be kicked out of the FA cup for making 6 subs instead of the permitted 5.
Really? that makes me laugh! thats shoddy management if you cant even count subs!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:31:48
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportlatest/19722834.fa-investigate-exeter-break-sub-limit-bantams/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DerbyRed on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:38:13
Surely the 4th official should have picked that up??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:41:14
Surely the 4th official should have picked that up??

Exactly. All he has to do is subs and time.

And the ref should note it in his notebook, or is that old school?

Quote
The Grecians made a sixth change – one more than allowed - when they brought on Josh Key for Sam Nombe at the start of extra-time.

The competition rules state that clubs “may use five ... substitute players at any time in a match (including during any period of extra-time).”

Clubs are permitted a further opportunity to make a sub during extra-time – but not go above the five-change limit.

Not sure I understand the BIB. It was clear up to that point

edit: oooh  I didn't realise the limited number of times you can make substitution(s) during a game was a thing .

It is pretty clear in the FA cup rules though. Muppets.

Quote
ii) In the Competition Proper, a maximum of nine substitutes may be nominated. Subject to the below a Club may at its discretion use five of those substitute players at any time in a match (including during any period of extra time). Each team is only permitted a maximum of three opportunities to make substitutions during normal time in the Match (excluding half time). If the Match proceeds to extra time, each Club will be permitted to carry over any unused substitution opportunities into extra time and will be permitted an additional (fourth) opportunity to make a substitution (excluding (i) the break between full time and extra time and (ii) at half time of extra time). A substitution can only be made when play is stopped for any reason and the Referee has given permission. Prior to the substitution being made the Club must identify to the Match Officials the number of the player out and the player in, in accordance with the Official Team Sheet.

iii) In the Competition Proper, if a player suffers a concussion (or potential concussion), the Club and its opponent shall be permitted to use additional substitution(s) in accordance with the relevant IFAB protocol adopted by The Association and in force from time to time. Concussion substitutions shall be permitted to be used in addition to the substitutions listed above. If The Association has adopted an IFAB protocol for the purposes of the Competition, this shall be communicated to competing Clubs in advance of the relevant Round.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:50:47
Exactly. All he has to do is subs and time.

And the ref should note it in his notebook, or is that old school?

Not sure I understand the BIB. It was clear up to that point

edit: oooh  I didn't realise the limited number of stoppages to make substitutions during a game to make subs was a thing .

It is pretty clear in the FA cup rules though. Muppets.



Isn't it five, with a sixth only allowed for concussion?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:52:49
Isn't it five, with a sixth only allowed for concussion?

yup, and the opponent gets a freebie too. I've edited my above post with the actual wording as its clearer!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:54:43
yup, and the opponent gets a freebie too. I've edited my above post with the actual wording as its clearer!

I assume they will discover a mysterious potential concussion....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:55:36
How you feeling Batch post Covid and any taste yet?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:55:50
I assume they will discover a mysterious potential concussion....

Er, maybe..But then if Bradford were not notified they have a  grievance with the rules not being applied.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 13:57:27
I've only got a little taste back but feeling a little fatigued now


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 14:02:17
I've only got a little taste back but feeling a little fatigued now

Sorry that Exeter's errant 6th substitution has had such a detrimental effect upon you.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 12:58:17
Sorry that Exeter's errant 6th substitution has had such a detrimental effect upon you.

Tie ordered to be replayed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 14:10:36
Sorry that Exeter's errant 6th substitution has had such a detrimental effect upon you.

Thanks for your concern let's hope you don't catch the virus and have to go through the same.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 15:57:54
Tie ordered to be replayed

That's an odd one, thought it would just be a normal win for the other lot!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 16:14:13
Tie ordered to be replayed
[/quote


Apparently the officials got it wrong and told both teams they could use 6 subs each, Bradford were preparing their 6th at the time they knew they had got it wrong so a little harsh on Exeter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 16:30:18
Apparently the officials got it wrong and told both teams they could use 6 subs each, Bradford were preparing their 6th at the time they knew they had got it wrong so a little harsh on Exeter.

Ah that makes more sense, seamlessly moves from hard on Bradford to hard on Exeter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 17:00:44
Although Exeter own 3-0 I don't know what the score was when the 6th subsitute happened.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Banker on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 17:56:47
Although Exeter own 3-0 I don't know what the score was when the 6th subsitute happened.

0-0 I believe. Tinpot competition anyway.  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 17:58:45
Not if we make the 3rd round :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 18:30:19
0-0 I believe. Tinpot competition anyway.  :D

Yes, it was. Looks like the 89th and 90th minutes were busy on the touchline.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59298670


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 18, 2021, 18:39:20
Bradford to win the rematch 😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 12:08:26
The piss stains game at Wigan just called off - they have 7 positive Covid cases.

Didn’t they come over all holier than thou when another club called off their game last season - Crewe maybe.

How the fuck can you leave that late. Some of their fans are already there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Gnasher on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 12:17:51
BT. Can't watch BT Sport or even access their main website. Anyone else having trouble connecting?

[edit] and just as I post it comes back!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 12:33:41
The piss stains game at Wigan just called off - they have 7 positive Covid cases.

Didn’t they come over all holier than thou when another club called off their game last season - Crewe maybe.

How the fuck can you leave that late. Some of their fans are already there.

Piss poormfor the fans but not sure what else they could do as the negative LFT were done this morning and surprised this hasn't happened to other teams on the day of the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 12:34:20
The piss stains game at Wigan just called off - they have 7 positive Covid cases.

Didn’t they come over all holier than thou when another club called off their game last season - Crewe maybe.

How the fuck can you leave that late. Some of their fans are already there.

About four of ‘em I’d guess 😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 12:41:32
Sounds dodgy to me. How could 7 players test positive today when they, presumably, tested negative a couple of days ago. I’m not sure on the protocol clubs have to adhere to regarding when and how often players/staff get tested.

If they all fell ill due to something other than Covid would they have to forfeit the points? Food poisoning?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 12:47:05
I reckon we are heading for another spike again here in the U.K.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:35:22
Nixon has come up with a number the prospective new owner of Wayne Rooney’s Derby County will have to fork out

£247m

Yikes!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:38:46
I reckon we are heading for another spike again here in the U.K.

Heading for?  We're there already.  Not basing this on publicly available stats.  Just what's going on around me.  Steady stream of friends/family going down with it now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 20, 2021, 13:41:37
Heading for?  We're there already.  Not basing this on publicly available stats.  Just what's going on around me.  Steady stream of friends/family going down with it now.

Just recovering myself and work had many off 2/3 weeks ago but all I hear on local news is that the rates are dropping which surprised me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 09:10:44
Nothing will actually change will it.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59406087


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 25, 2021, 09:16:04
I don't know, some of the things in that report are fundamentally excellent ideas. If, and it's a big if, it's implemented in full then I think that's a big step in the right direction. A transfer tax and golden shares for the fans both seem unlikely to happen in any meaningful sense mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, November 27, 2021, 21:24:56
Belenenses in Portugal having to start their game Vs Benfica with 9 men due to covid. 7-0 down at half time currently.

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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 28, 2021, 03:48:24
Abandoned at half time as they were magically reduced to only 6 fit players and 7 is the minimum allowed for a team to play.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 28, 2021, 09:29:10
Sounds tactical,


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, November 28, 2021, 20:02:49
https://twitter.com/EurosportNorge/status/1465017283152125955

Not often you'll see a goalie's dive get his team mate sent off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 28, 2021, 20:32:54
Quote from: ibelieveinmrreeves
https://twitter.com/EurosportNorge/status/1465017283152125955 (https://twitter.com/EurosportNorge/status/1465017283152125955)

Not often you'll see a goalie's dive get his team mate sent off.

unbelievable Jeff


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 29, 2021, 16:42:30
If anyone fancies listening to Sheridactyl’s time with us, this is out tomorrow



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, November 29, 2021, 16:48:12
Nah,  you're alright, think I'll give it a miss.  Heard enough of his shit whilst he was here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 29, 2021, 17:37:15
Stripping out away fans, this is the average home fans attendances for L1.

Not looking good for the piss stains. Doing fairly well, supposedly decent football and this is all they can scrape up. Is that figure going down or is it historically about right?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 17:51:09
I thought Plymouths would be higher and how the mighty piss stains & Gillingam have fallen.
Can you not get league 2 stats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:32:09
I lived in geordie land and am thus hard wired to dislike Mackams, but averaging nearly 30k at that level is incredible.

Especially when you consider population of Sunderland is smaller than Swindon.

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:34:05
Isn't the population of Sunderland around 340,000?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: AMayesIng on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:37:09
https://twitter.com/EurosportNorge/status/1465017283152125955

Not often you'll see a goalie's dive get his team mate sent off.

On the subject of diving:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/59448643



Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:46:52
Isn't the population of Sunderland around 340,000?
I assume you had never been to mackem country

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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 19:49:29
You've assumed right


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:16:59
Isn't the population of Sunderland around 340,000?

About 175k, 10k less than Swindon


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:21:15
It depends on what you are compairing as the metro size of Sunderland was 342.000 in 2020

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/22881/sunderland/population


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:28:50
That includes outlying Towns, and Swindon has a few less to add on - you are probably comparing with close to 250k in the same area for Swindon (before you get too far and start adding in Wiltshire Towns).

Anyway you cut it, their average is impressive as a % of the population, especially given the location of competing teams and their size vs. Swindon.

In our defence, Swindon is very much a suburb of London these days, with the vast majority of population growth having been commuter traffic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:31:58
Oxfords average seems about their norm - the Manor Ground was only around 10k capacity.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:33:03
What amazes me is their away following whenever they come down south considering how far it is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:34:45
Oxfords average seems about their norm - the Manor Ground was only around 10k capacity.

I thought Plymouth would be 14000+ considering how well they've been doing and the numbers they take away.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:41:29
It depends on what you are compairing as the metro size of Sunderland was 342.000 in 2020

https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/22881/sunderland/population

However you have places like Durham that could support another football team as well as some bigger Suburbs and areas.
It’s a massive Region is the NE but you are right a real football hotbed.
Equally both Newcastle and Sunderland have a huge following down South similar to Leeds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:43:18
I may be making a bad assumption here, but I have always though the South West teams have been pretty poor at attracting fans relative to their local populations.  Part of that I guess is the origins of the game being much more Northern centric with the heavy industry - I am sure Reg would have known the league list ranked as attendance vs population.

Bristol being a prime example - they are what, two or three times the size of Newcastle? and yet neither club can sustain much more than 15k over the recent long term unless doing really well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:44:07
Newcastle at home in the 3rd round would be nice!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:44:31
If anyone fancies listening to Sheridactyl’s time with us, this is out tomorrow



Wouldn’t wish any shit from that wanker on my worse enemy.
He can go and fuck himself. Complete waste of space and should have walked instead of prolonging the pain further under his tenure.
Worst Manager in my lifetime and doubt any others will ever come close.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:46:25
You could make a comedy book entitled "The Matchday Musings of a 1950's Football Manager" based entirely around the audio clips he created on the Portsmouth game.  Hearing that ensured there could be no doubt as to his quality, or lack thereof.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:46:32
Newcastle at home in the 3rd round would be nice!

Would be my favourite draw away from home.
Love the NE and would make another weekend of that.
Spent my last weekend up there just before the start of this season, absolutely love the City.
Had some cracking weekends up there both as a single lad and married man.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 29, 2021, 20:47:51
I may be making a bad assumption here, but I have always though the South West teams have been pretty poor at attracting fans relative to their local populations.  Part of that I guess is the origins of the game being much more Northern centric with the heavy industry - I am sure Reg would have known the league list ranked as attendance vs population.

Bristol being a prime example - they are what, two or three times the size of Newcastle? and yet neither club can sustain much more than 15k over the recent long term unless doing really well.

Yes that's a very good point you make about the south west teams not attracting as many fans per population compared to Northern teams.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: AMayesIng on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 08:43:44
I may be making a bad assumption here, but I have always though the South West teams have been pretty poor at attracting fans relative to their local populations.  Part of that I guess is the origins of the game being much more Northern centric with the heavy industry - I am sure Reg would have known the league list ranked as attendance vs population.

Bristol being a prime example - they are what, two or three times the size of Newcastle? and yet neither club can sustain much more than 15k over the recent long term unless doing really well.

Industrial working class areas and the 'cradle of the game' is obviously a factor; but I also think Rugby plays a part in this. It was never as popular as football, but in very specific geographical areas it has taken some of the potential support. The North East has never had any real rugby as an alternative, Brizzle, as we know, does. Also compare say Leeds vs Liverpool or Sheffield, or Hull vs Nottingham, or South Wales vs West Midlands for similar case studies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:18:29
Newcastle at home in the 3rd round would be nice!

Newcastle away would be nicer.....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:23:24
Newcastle away would be nicer.....
Way to far for Town fans to travel in huge number, Arsenal or Spurs away would be perfect and we would easily get 5,000 going.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:34:47
Bristol City away


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 09:35:50
Yeovil away.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Banker on Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 21:42:03
Bradford to win the rematch 😀

Cheers, Jimmy !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 04:28:59
They were winning just couldnt hold onto it😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 07:15:47
That includes outlying Towns, and Swindon has a few less to add on - you are probably comparing with close to 250k in the same area for Swindon (before you get too far and start adding in Wiltshire Towns).

Anyway you cut it, their average is impressive as a % of the population, especially given the location of competing teams and their size vs. Swindon.

In our defence, Swindon is very much a suburb of London these days, with the vast majority of population growth having been commuter traffic.

Also, Swindon has to compete with the big clubs on our doorstep like Liverpool, Manchester United etc.

East Anglia always surprises me, smaller places like Ipswich and Norwich get decent home crowds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 13:42:54
The North East has the advantage being in the far reaches of the country, and having comparatively few league football clubs.

Draw a line across the country through Harrogate and Morecambe and, North of that, there's 2 clubs in the West, Barrow and Carlisle; and in the East, 4, Newcastle, Sunderland, Hartlepool and Boro.

The latter two draw a fair amount of support from North Yorkshire as well as Teeside. Sunderland get support from across Wearside, and scrap with the Toon for supporters in that urban, suburban sprawl that runs down the A194 into County Durham. Newcastle have pretty much the whole of Northumberland as their catchment area as well the urban area of Newcastle, Gateshead and South Shields.

Those two bigger clubs have a history of past glory so there are a good few that travel across from Cumbria as well.

In the same sort of geographical area we have the two Bristol clubs, Forest Green and Cheltenham, Oxford, Reading and Wycombe, and Bournemouth, Southampton and Portsmouth to our South.

So the far north has a population of 4.3m or so and 6 clubs. We have a population from Bristol to Berkshire and down through Hampshire of about 5.5m and 11 league clubs  trying to attract support.

That's without allowing for the fact that half the population in Swindon are descendants of London expats that can follow their family club easily enough from here.

So not surprising they get better support.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 13, 2021, 12:39:06
The Champions League draw having to be redrawn! Amateur hour!

Uefa's statement: "Following a technical problem with the software of an external service provider that instructs the officials as to which teams are eligible to play each other, a material error occurred in the draw for the UEFA Champions League Round of 16.

"As a result of this, the draw has been declared void and will be entirely redone at 1500 CET."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Monday, December 13, 2021, 12:47:11
It's all getting a bit Masi.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 13, 2021, 12:48:01
Club lawyers sighing and cancelling their Christmas plans across Europe. Any club that gets a significantly harder draw now is going to be fuming.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 13, 2021, 13:18:47
I think this dog had the right idea about the UEFA conference league.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfrT-2sg2hA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 21, 2021, 16:54:49
'ark at this joker moaning about having to play 2 games in 4 days!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59745954

With the caveat of course that I have no idea how many fit players they have sidelined with Covid, but they have a massive squad of players so i'm sure they could field a half decent line-up with subs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:18:17
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59797491

Money well spent, City  :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:20:47
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59797491

Money well spent, City  :eek:
Must be about the 10th year in a row Shitty have had a deficit of £10m+.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:30:48
Yeah, but £38.4m in one season - albeit a Covid season!

I keep thinking if there is a similar kind of club to ourselves in the Championship that appears to be at least half sustainable without an owner propping them up.

Edit: probably Luton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:47:21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59797491

Money well spent, City  :eek:

Be interesting to see how much the rugby club loses also.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:54:53
The Union salary cap is £5m a season total, it's a tiny fraction of the football club. Admittedly they supposedly pay Piatau £1m outside the cap, but if you consider that would make him the best paid player in the league, it puts the two sides of Landsdown's sports empire in perspective. Football is crazy expensive.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:55:24
Be interesting to see how much the rugby club loses also.
Shitheads forum seem to think he cares way more about rugger than he does about them, I would say that constant £10m+ losses every year, year on year proves the opposite.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 13:58:58
They are getting into FFP breach territory, too, and the points deduction that could bring. Noticeable the losses are £600,000 short of the acceptable limit on losses.

Without Derby and Reading already having points deducted they’d be looking at relegation this season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 16:18:52
City did refund their season ticket holders on a game by game basis though!

Lansdown is getting more bang from his bucks spending the money on Bristol Rugby and raising the Bristol sporting profile than bumbling along in the Championship with City.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 19:45:43
Oldham banning 3 fans for "promoting their dislike" of their club.

Kostiuk could well be banned for life if we took that route.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59742923


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 19:52:15
Those bans got overturned i think


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 19:53:56
Those bans got overturned i think
Did they? its a proper murky legal area TBH.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cheltred on Tuesday, December 28, 2021, 22:17:31
Did they? its a proper murky legal area TBH.
Yes they did, it was replaced with a "final warning"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 11:33:38
AFCON during a season.

A huge amount of pundits saying about the disrespect shown by fans and clubs about AFCON. The biggest gripe is that its during a season, if it was in a summer i don't think there would be any fuss about call ups. OR have a winter break and schedule it then. The clash is the issue not racism


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 12:35:12
dead right, but top teams take players knowing about the clash. I don't think we saw Jo Jo being called up though.

every nation has a right to hold it's own championship. of course they do.

tbh the corrupt world cup having to be played in November annoys me more


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 13:50:49
Why dont they do it at end of season? Temperature? To lose your best players for 5 weeks mid season is a bit shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 13:56:47
Maybe because of the WC starting in November. Any African nation qualified for that would be pushed to compete in 2 such competitions in such a short space of time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 14:31:21
Its January every year


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 15:43:20
It actually changed to the summer in 2017, but was postponed last year and moved to January due to 'unfavourable weather'.

Presumably used to be played in January as not everything revolves around European football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, January 2, 2022, 15:51:12
AFCON during a season.

A huge amount of pundits saying about the disrespect shown by fans and clubs about AFCON. The biggest gripe is that its during a season, if it was in a summer i don't think there would be any fuss about call ups. OR have a winter break and schedule it then. The clash is the issue not racism

You do realise there are other Countries in the world, right?  And not every football season matches the English one?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 14:39:58
Colchester calling off their game against Rochdale at 2.37pm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 14:44:10
Tbf, it was a waterlogged pitch so I presume the ref called it off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 14:49:34
Tbf, it was a waterlogged pitch so I presume the ref called it off.
They’ve consistently had problems since they moved to that awful new stadium. The pitch always seems to be awful and I remember playing them there one year and the car park had flooded.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 8, 2022, 14:55:53
Quote from: bigbobjoylove
Colchester calling off their game against Rochdale at 2.37pm

bloody hell. maybe it was fine up to close to then, but that's over a 200 mile journey


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 24, 2022, 14:43:54
Government bailing Derby out with a £20m loan.

Where were they when Bury and Macclesfield needed help.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 24, 2022, 14:48:04
Government bailing Derby out with a £20m loan.

Where were they when Bury and Macclesfield needed help.

Yeah don't agree with this one either. Of course I don't want to see any football club go out of business but Mel Morris is worth £500 million quid so why should the taxpayer help to bail them out when their owner(s) have got them in this mess in the first place?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 24, 2022, 16:01:22
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/60110971

This seems... less than ideal


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 24, 2022, 16:14:53
harsh isn't it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 25, 2022, 11:27:54
Got to feel for them when they played their left back in goal, had a player sent off after 7 minutes and still ended up going down by a single goal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 30, 2022, 16:03:38
Not exactly football related, but Mason Greenwood has been banned from training or playing for Man Utd after vids, pics and messages appeared on social media assaulting a woman.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 30, 2022, 16:22:02
If true what a horrible piece of work he is.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17488410/mason-greenwood-out-of-man-utd-squad-indefinitely-after-girlfriend-harriet-robson-accuses-him-of-domestic-violence/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 30, 2022, 17:01:00
Now accused of rape.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 30, 2022, 20:36:22
The video is grim


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 17:11:29
Further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 17:12:49
The video is grim

The voice note you mean? Or is there more?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 17:24:57
Sorry, i meant the voice note


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: pantomime dame on Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 17:35:17
Player power
It's interesting when we live in a time when cancel culture and knee bending are really popular that a premiership player may have a problem with the concept of "no means no"



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 15:08:10
not sure which thread to put this in. messy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60244442


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 16:04:28
not sure which thread to put this in. messy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60244442

Side question. Can you call someone a rapist if they haven't been found guilty in criminal law?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 16:13:46
I don't know.

is it any different from employing McCormick?

so many questions..

As I said, messy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 16:18:21
They were found guilty of rape in a civil court. The judge called them rapists


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 16:19:58
Ah OK.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 16:22:19
I don't know.

is it any different from employing McCormick?

so many questions..

As I said, messy

The main difference for me (perhaps not for everyone) is that McCormick showed immediate and ongoing remorse for what he did, including to the family of those who died. Goodwillie does not and has not accepted that he did anything wrong. I don't really feel you can have forgiveness without remorse. Other people will feel differently of course, and I understand that if you don't feel you did something it might be difficult to show remorse for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: chalkies shorts on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 16:34:37
Side question. Can you call someone a rapist if they haven't been found guilty in criminal law?
Yep you can call them a rapist. You can't call them a convicted rapist.
Raith paid £50k for him and a contract of £1k to 1.5k per week on a 2.5 year contract. Now he's not going to play for them.
Val mcdermidd writer and shirt sponsor made her views known back in December when the move was first mooted.
I know I'm in the minority but I think what is happening at Raith is great. Fan power in action. It's also good to see the female teams distancing themselves from Raith rovers. As a female fan how could you applaud a goal he scored.
I think Val mcdermidd is now on a mission to get the chairman and 3 other directors who approved the signing removed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 17:51:08
@nemo - sorry, I meant both had served their punishment.

I am not passing judgement on the rights and wrongs of that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 17:53:29
How can a rapist not be convicted?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 18:03:54
How can a rapist not be convicted?

Does make one wonder that. It would seem that the prosecutor fiscal if in Scotland or the Criminal Protection Service in England didn’t think there was enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in the first instance. Someone paid a lot of money to bring a private prosecution and was successful it would seem.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 18:32:28
Does make one wonder that. It would seem that the prosecutor fiscal if in Scotland or the Criminal Protection Service in England didn’t think there was enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in the first instance. Someone paid a lot of money to bring a private prosecution and was successful it would seem.

I am not familiar with the jurisdiction but, if it helps, I understand that this was not a private prosecution.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 19:19:06
I am not familiar with the jurisdiction but, if it helps, I understand that this was not a private prosecution.

Well who do you understand prosecuted him if it was a cicvil case then?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, February 3, 2022, 19:21:32
Well who do you understand prosecuted him if it was a cicvil case then?

It was a civil claim for damages.

Para 1 of the judgment (publicly available):-

"The pursuer is 30 years of age.  She claims damages from both defenders on the basis that in the early hours of 2 January 2011, when she was aged 24 years of age, they both committed the common law wrongs of sexual assault and rape against her.  Although there was a full police investigation into the events concerned, no criminal prosecution resulted.  The defenders each maintain that they did have sexual intercourse with her at that time, but that it was consensual.  The issue of quantum of damages was agreed amongst the parties.  The issues in the case for determination by the court were, firstly, whether, by reason of excessive consumption of alcohol, the pursuer was incapable of consenting at the material time, and secondly, whether each of the defenders had a legitimate belief, whether reasonable or honest, that she was consenting."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, February 4, 2022, 09:12:27
Remember that the burden of proof in criminal and civil cases is different.
Criminal- Beyond a reasonable doubt.
Civil- On the balance of probabilities.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 4, 2022, 09:13:53
Does make one wonder that. It would seem that the prosecutor fiscal if in Scotland or the Criminal Protection Service in England didn’t think there was enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in the first instance. Someone paid a lot of money to bring a private prosecution and was successful it would seem.

What would it have to do with the CPS being a Scottish case, unless we are going to try and pin this one on Starmer as well?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 4, 2022, 14:20:22
Further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill

Seems like a decent response from Man U/Adidas to the supporters, especially as this was to someone who bought a shirt a couple of years back...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKsPrspXoAAK69g?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 4, 2022, 14:25:46
Who are you going to have instead Horlock?  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 4, 2022, 14:37:33
Horlock played for City not United


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Friday, February 4, 2022, 16:09:59
Are they doing the same with any shirts purchased with Giggs name as well?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 4, 2022, 16:13:44
Are they doing the same with any shirts purchased with Giggs name as well?

Who knows, isn't Ronaldo subject to a similar civil case ala Goodwhillie at the moment?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 12:52:06
Kurt Zouma

https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1490811894197886981?s=20&t=wM8xrNCfj-kQuCsvCpvofg


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 18:58:28
Kurt Zouma

https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1490811894197886981?s=20&t=wM8xrNCfj-kQuCsvCpvofg

Vile scumbag, and his family are no better for allowing it to happen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 08:00:09
David Moyes for playing Zouma last night


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 12:27:13
David Moyes for playing Zouma last night
I'm a bit torn on this as him not playing would have protected him a bit, instead he rightly got dogs (should that be cats) abuse from all the fans.

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:47:03
Michail Antonio; why he is bringing racism into it is beyond me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:52:26
Don't Fuck With Cats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:53:21
Because what people are suggesting should happen to Zouma would imply that kicking a cat is more of a crime than being racist


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:55:40
“I’ve got a question for you,” Antonio responded. “Do you think what he’s done is worse than racism? I’m not condoning a thing that he’s done, I don’t agree with what he’s done at all. But there’s people who’ve been caught for racism who’ve played football afterwards. They haven’t got punished, they got an eight-game punishment or something like that, but people are now calling for [Zouma] to be sacked, to lose their livelihood.

“I’ve just got to ask this question to everyone out there: is what he’s done worse than what the people have done that are convicted of racism?”


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:56:03
Michail Antonio; why he is bringing racism into it is beyond me.

And just an example of people using Whataboutery to attempt to defend/make something look better.

Racism is wrong, abusing an animal is wrong, why do the 2 things need to be compared, it's not a competition for fucks sake!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 11:59:44
Probably easier to say when you’re not the victim of racist abuse than if you are

And just an example of people using Whataboutery to attempt to defend/make something look better.

Racism is wrong, abusing an animal is wrong, why do the 2 things need to be compared, it's not a competition for fucks sake!
And just an example of people using Whataboutery to attempt to defend/make something look better.

Racism is wrong, abusing an animal is wrong, why do the 2 things need to be compared, it's not a competition for fucks sake!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:00:44
Because what people are suggesting should happen to Zouma would imply that kicking a cat is more of a crime than being racist

On a similar note social media seems awash with people rightly up in arms about this, however in a huge number of cases with a bit of delving same peoples timelines are also full of stuff about immigration and leaving people to drown in the channel. So for many it appears cats are more important than human beings?

Country has gone fucking mad!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:09:44
Probably easier to say when you’re not the victim of racist abuse than if you are


It absolutely is, no probably about it.

Having taken the time to properly listen and digest what Antonio actually said, I think there is huge merit in what he has said and I can understand why he's now said it. Seems I was too quick to attempt to make a throwaway salient point in fairness.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:11:10
And just an example of people using Whataboutery to attempt to defend/make something look better.

Racism is wrong, abusing an animal is wrong, why do the 2 things need to be compared, it's not a competition for fucks sake!

Completely agree, and yes I have been the victim of racism.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:13:57
Completely agree, and yes I have been the victim of racism.

What was said, done to you if you don't mind me asking? Having lived in Scotland for a lot of my young adult life I was called an English Prick, English Wanker, Sassenach etc etc but oddly at the time I never really took it on board as being racist, I suppose as it was generally in the pub watching football or rugby I just ignored it as 'banter' Thinking back it definitely was and I wonder if it would be so prevalent now rather than 20 or so years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:18:52
I can see how Antonio's point isn't especially well expressed, but I think he's fundamentally right.

Zouma should clearly face some sort of consequences legally and some sort of short-term footballing ban (and Antonio more or less says as much) but Antonio is reacting to people calling for him to never play again or to be sacked - that's not a realistic outcome here, but I'm sure the question will have been asked. When you compare that to the four game ban John Terry got, or the eight Suarez got, you can see why it might rankle.

More generally, if as a sport we don't want to see people playing whilst they're under investigation for charges relating to their non-footballing lives, that should probably be centrally enforced by the league. Expecting each club to make an individual moral judgement just seems like asking for trouble.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:20:57
Quote from: horlock07
On a similar note social media seems awash with people rightly up in arms about this, however in a huge number of cases with a bit of delving same peoples timelines are also full of stuff about immigration and leaving people to drown in the channel. So for many it appears cats are more important than human beings?

Country has gone fucking mad!

You've only just noticed. The mob will have their way screener it's right or wrong.

this week I'm amazed Jimmy Carr hasn't been cancelled


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:22:52
What was said, done to you if you don't mind me asking? Having lived in Scotland for a lot of my young adult life I was called an English Prick, English Wanker, Sassenach etc etc but oddly at the time I never really took it on board as being racist, I suppose as it was generally in the pub watching football or rugby I just ignored it as 'banter' Thinking back it definitely was and I wonder if it would be so prevalent now rather than 20 or so years ago.

Attacked by North Africans in Lyon. Fists and verbals. That was one incident. No, it wasn't football related  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:24:52
Attacked by North Africans in Lyon. Fists and verbals. That was one incident. No, it wasn't football related  :)

What did you do to rile them up so much?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:25:27
Zilch. Got followed out of the Metro.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:28:53
Zilch. Got followed out of the Metro.

Scary shit. Did they try and rob you, or was it just a case of roughing you up?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 12:32:17
Scary shit. Did they try and rob you, or was it just a case of roughing you up?

Verbals and kicks to the arse to try and get you to react, I did  :)
Was pretty nervy as I was only 20, my face ended up in a window of a restaurant where all the diners stopped eating and gawped at me  ;D
There were 4 or 5 of them, then random people ran to join in,  against us. There were 2 or 3 of us, plus my mates girlfriend  ::)
They ran off in the end, think somebody shouted they were calling the police, not that I understood.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:25:58
On a similar note social media seems awash with people rightly up in arms about this, however in a huge number of cases with a bit of delving same peoples timelines are also full of stuff about immigration and leaving people to drown in the channel. So for many it appears cats are more important than human beings?


To many folk, animals are more important than people.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 14:34:39
Verbals and kicks to the arse to try and get you to react, I did  :)
Was pretty nervy as I was only 20, my face ended up in a window of a restaurant where all the diners stopped eating and gawped at me  ;D
There were 4 or 5 of them, then random people ran to join in,  against us. There were 2 or 3 of us, plus my mates girlfriend  ::)
They ran off in the end, think somebody shouted they were calling the police, not that I understood.


My eldest son had a similar incident on the Paris metro a few years ago when he was studying at Uni there. He was speaking to some in English when a couple of French N. Africans tried mug/pickpocket his rucksack. Being fluent in French he gave them what for loudly enough to frighten them off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 15:03:03
To many folk, animals are more important than people.

I suspect in this case more to do with origin than species!

Reminds me of a Smith & Jones skit (Showing my age) it was a mock up of a tabloid front page across which was splashed the headline (something like anyway - this is 30 odd years ago OTTOMH) 'British Man offended by comments made about his suit at Madrid airport' and then in really small writing in the bottom corner of the page there was a story about 500,000 people being killed in an earthquake in Africa.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 18:04:33
Don't Fuck With Cats


Remember this woman!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/19/cat-bin-woman-mary-bale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYdUZdan5i8


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 19:03:06
She got more stick, plus death threats....

https://youtu.be/NooGkGdDIlI


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 19:08:55
What a strange woman and did she lie about her age as she's an old 45 year old!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 10, 2022, 21:15:32
What a strange woman and did she lie about her age as she's an old 45 year old!

54 maybe.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 11, 2022, 09:35:45
What a strange woman and did she lie about her age as she's an old 45 year old!

Hate and unhappiness ages people prematurely, just look at Hatey Cockpins, she is the same age as me but looks in her mid late 50's and then there is Therese Coffey she is only 50!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:45:10
Peterborough are charging £42 for a ticket v Man City in the cup.

That’s a £14 increase on normal prices, even worse than what we did.

Interestingly, I read that Forest charged £15 for a ticket for their cup tie against Leicester


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:53:18
Peterborough are charging £42 for a ticket v Man City in the cup.

That’s a £14 increase on normal prices, even worse than what we did.

Interestingly, I read that Forest charged £15 for a ticket for their cup tie against Leicester

I noticed that. It's £32 for Season ticket holders but £42 for non-season ticket holders which is an interesting way of doing things.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 11, 2022, 10:58:16
I usually check the daily videos on the excellent Rich Banyard site and today's game from 1989 was a 'classic'. If you thought our recent defending was anything to go by, you ain't seen nothing yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpQwK-6Wy0Q

Also, what was with the American commentator with the Northern Irish twang??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:14:59
I noticed that. It's £32 for Season ticket holders but £42 for non-season ticket holders which is an interesting way of doing things.

Yeah, especially as Rob Angus said we weren’t allowed to do that, hence why ST holders are due to get a free ticket to the Oldham game (PS anyone want a cheap ticket for the Oldham game ;) )


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:21:43
I'll see your free Oldham ticket, and raise you 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:22:36
I'll see your free Oldham ticket, and raise you 2

Ok, I will raise you to three (I can’t go so my ST is free too) ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:24:35
I fold, too cold for me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 11:27:37
Quote from: Posh Red
Peterborough are charging £42 for a ticket v Man City in the cup.

That’s a £14 increase on normal prices, even worse than what we did.
 

their fans are equally delighted as ours were.

"only" 32 for ST holders as you say.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 11, 2022, 16:10:59
Hate and unhappiness ages people prematurely, just look at Hatey Cockpins, she is the same age as me but looks in her mid late 50's and then there is Therese Coffey she is only 50!

First thought was....wait she isn't in her late 50s!?


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 11, 2022, 16:41:43
Posh relent on ticket prices

https://www.theposh.com/news/official-club-statement-manchester-city-tickets (https://www.theposh.com/news/official-club-statement-manchester-city-tickets)

(which is a good thing, but the prices were mentioned in this thread)


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 00:01:39
I know it's going to be controversial, but a Town ban for this seems harsh

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19929699.man-city-swindon-town-fan-ends-court-clash/

Suspect there is more to it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 00:11:46
Was he not up at Barrow causing ‘bother’ or is it just a doppelgänger?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 06:23:40
I know it's going to be controversial, but a Town ban for this seems harsh

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19929699.man-city-swindon-town-fan-ends-court-clash/

Suspect there is more to it
Who was it that wanted a roofer?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 08:04:41
Was he not up at Barrow causing ‘bother’ or is it just a doppelgänger?

Could be. Would add a bit of context tbh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 09:28:31
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/bristol-city-think-seven-more-championship-clubs-could-be-deducted-points-for-ffp-breaches-317692

"I'd like to think that Bristol City is looked at as a very stable, well run football club, locally-owned, with sensible actions,"

I think not, didn't they rack up £10m minus getting out of League One, spending more on playing staff wages than income ?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 09:34:38
I know it's going to be controversial, but a Town ban for this seems harsh

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19929699.man-city-swindon-town-fan-ends-court-clash/

Suspect there is more to it

Maybe the prosecuter is a relation of the cockney chancer given his name..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 09:44:25
I thought that was standard behaviour outside most football grounds when two sets of rival fans bait each other


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 10:44:15
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/bristol-city-think-seven-more-championship-clubs-could-be-deducted-points-for-ffp-breaches-317692

"I'd like to think that Bristol City is looked at as a very stable, well run football club, locally-owned, with sensible actions,"

I think not, didn't they rack up £10m minus getting out of League One, spending more on playing staff wages than income ?

The paragraph immediately before that one starts...

"With the club reportedly losing £412,000 a week"

Cheating cunts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Thursday, February 17, 2022, 10:52:19
The paragraph immediately before that one starts...

"With the club reportedly losing £412,000 a week"

Cheating cunts.

They'll be taking players on loan next.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 5, 2022, 12:11:20
Absolutely shocking.

Quote
Cardiff City debt at £109m as Vincent Tan loans increase.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60605107.amp


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, March 6, 2022, 13:51:06
https://twitter.com/AIUS51/status/1500281694317957123?s=20&t=nfIohRiNA1kCcVjJuvQnjA

TW: several graphic pictures and videos of a riot at a Mexican football game.

Horrific stuff. Never mind what's wrong with football, what's wrong with humanity?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 6, 2022, 14:25:59
https://twitter.com/AIUS51/status/1500281694317957123?s=20&t=nfIohRiNA1kCcVjJuvQnjA

TW: several graphic pictures and videos of a riot at a Mexican football game.

Horrific stuff. Never mind what's wrong with football, what's wrong with humanity?
That is utterly fucking shocking.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, March 6, 2022, 14:30:15
https://twitter.com/AIUS51/status/1500281694317957123?s=20&t=nfIohRiNA1kCcVjJuvQnjA

TW: several graphic pictures and videos of a riot at a Mexican football game.

Horrific stuff. Never mind what's wrong with football, what's wrong with humanity?
Sorry, but I felt sick after seeing the first couple. Don't understand why anyone would do that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, March 6, 2022, 14:50:00
Sorry, but I felt sick after seeing the first couple. Don't understand why anyone would do that.

Dreadful. I have been involved with posturing perhaps over 15 years ago, but never have I seen anything like that before. I hope for no life changing injuries. Why strip them naked? I am losing faith in humanity more and more by the day. Them scenes make the Batman film I just watched look very placid.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, March 6, 2022, 16:07:31
17 deaths reported, I think.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, March 7, 2022, 21:13:54
Can't see an option to edit my post - correction, NO deaths reported. I must have misread this when it was talking about numbers injured (which is actually 26 now).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, March 13, 2022, 15:13:09
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60728701


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, March 14, 2022, 14:07:42
So PSG fans showing themselves as nothing better than entitled wankers?

Who'd a thunk it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Monday, March 14, 2022, 16:01:31
So PSG fans showing themselves as nothing better than entitled wankers?

Who'd a thunk it?

Real Paris football fans go to Red Star.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 14, 2022, 16:04:57
Real Paris football fans go to Red Star.

 :nod: PSG fans are vile.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:30:15
Chelsea. Wankers.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60747640


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:34:18
Chelsea. Wankers.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60747640

Apparently Chelsea want to “maintain sporting integrity “.

A bit like when they tried to become part of The SuperLeague fiasco then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:36:05
Chelsea. Wankers.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60747640
unbelievable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:41:00
Apparently Chelsea want to “maintain sporting integrity “.

A bit like when they tried to become part of The SuperLeague fiasco then.

Absolutely classless.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:46:19
Absolutely classless.
Absolutely, the FA should move the tie to Middlesborough and tell them to not sell Chelsea any tickets.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:49:45
Absolutely, the FA should move the tie to Middlesborough and tell them to not sell Chelsea any tickets.

It is in Middlesborough mate. Which is what makes what Chelsea are doing even worse!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 14:50:34
It is in Middlesborough mate. Which is what makes what Chelsea are doing even worse!!
Oh I didnt realise, my bad :) that does make it worse!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 16:59:10
Chelsea withdraw their request


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 21:02:05
Good article on how Rochdale fans fended over their takeover in the summer that Kieran Maguire tweeted

https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/they-wanted-control-of-the-club-but?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 22:58:01
good article that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 06:12:49
Good article on how Rochdale fans fended over their takeover in the summer that Kieran Maguire tweeted

https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/they-wanted-control-of-the-club-but?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct

A salutary lesson to all die hard fans on how things easily unravel if we’re not careful. We’re soon going to be faced with a similar Chelsea situation regarding the ground. Not the dubious source of an oligarchs money. Chelsea’s pitch is fan owned or was initially 100% some have sold out over the years but it was the one bit that RA couldn’t get his hands on in spite of offering eye watering amounts of money for each square foot. This was IIRC put in place by the late Matthew Harding and or Ken Bates before it was sold to RA or some such equation (look it up). That is why CFC is still where it always was and not moved elsewhere. A similar fan power thing to Rochdale and likely scenario to us when we get the chance to buy ground shares via the Trust. Can you imagine say 10-20 years down the line and we’re doing rather well. CM may or may not own the other half by then and a new owner or wolf in sheep’s clothing wants the whole lot?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 06:32:13
Clem could only sell the 50% he would own. The Trust own the other half precisely to prevent such a scenario.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 08:28:53
Clem could only sell the 50% he would own. The Trust own the other half precisely to prevent such a scenario.

Exactly. That is why as fans we should embrace the ‘share offer’.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 09:21:31
Exactly. That is why as fans we should embrace the ‘share offer’.

Indeed, albeit it dropping slap bang in the middle of the biggest cost of living crisis since records began is a very Swindon Town thing to happen!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 09:32:46
did I read it right that the £19.69 will be an annual charge?

totally ok with that by the way, provided that continuing 50% trust ownership isn't changed if everyone suddenly stopped paying. I can't see that being the case (people stop/ownership changing)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 24, 2022, 09:58:45
did I read it right that the £19.69 will be an annual charge?

totally ok with that by the way, provided that continuing 50% trust ownership isn't changed if receive suddenly stopped paying. I can't see that being the case

I think that was going to be the case.

I did ask a few weeks ago, and the Trust replied that the details would be published after the sale was agreed/gone through so hopefully will get some more details soon.

It was the AGM last night


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 14:06:44
What's kicking off at Staines Town?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 14:07:58
Is it massive?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 14:08:06
What's kicking off at Staines Town?

Child slavery, fraud, murder et al


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 14:10:27
What's kicking off at Staines Town?

It is all very odd, https://twitter.com/FACupFactfile/status/1508774916509904911


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 17:01:46
Everton’s financial loss last season was £120.9m taking total losses over three years to £372.6m. No other Premier League club has lost more in that period.

If they get relegated they’re right in it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: AMayesIng on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 18:34:31
Anyone else start reading that Staines Town letter and, just for a moment, see "STFC...xxx...xxx" and think "Fuck, now what?"


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 29, 2022, 19:05:15
yup!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 06:53:26
Signs begging/asking for a players shirt, when did that become a thing?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 07:05:51
Signs begging/asking for a players shirt, when did that become a thing?
Must cost clubs/players a fortune,  mind they can afford it,  don’t think I’d want a sweaty second hand shirt hanging in my wardrobe,   Bet most of them turn up on EBay anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 09:36:11
Must cost clubs/players a fortune,  mind they can afford it,  don’t think I’d want a sweaty second hand shirt hanging in my wardrobe,   Bet most of them turn up on EBay anyway.

Everyone puts up a sign saying 'Your Round!' when you are in the boozer!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 15:03:12
I’ve been keeping an eye on the shenanigans at Derby. A lot of their fans are expecting liquidation - but,  for some reason, they seem to think they would reform with a place in L2.

Theory being they are a big club with a big following - which they are - and EFL L2 clubs would actually vote for it for the extra income they’d generate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 15:08:57
soapy tit wank.. good luck with that


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 16:09:19
Imagine the uproar if that happened


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 16:32:08
Tbh, it’s not just fans fantasy - it’s a real possibility.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, April 1, 2022, 16:07:37
A World Cup in Qatar


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:05:38
Religion in Football Islamic Republic of Iran.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:08:15
I mean, it’s literally the name of the country


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:09:03
Religion in Football Islamic Republic of Iran.
Yeah,Christian Pulisic should not be allowed to play against us


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:11:30
I mean, it’s literally the name of the country

My mistake I forgot they've always been known as Islamic Iran


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:12:07
Yeah,Christian Pulisic should not be allowed to play against us

Not much you can do about that when you're born with the name


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:14:02
Since 1979, apparently.

What do you feel about singing a song about god before a football match?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:14:14
Religion in Football Islamic Republic of Iran.

April Fool?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:14:47
April Fool?

Too late in the day😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, April 1, 2022, 18:28:52
Since 1979, apparently.

What do you feel about singing a song about god before a football match?
How about....

'Met a priest in Paris France - Made the people get up and da-da-dance.
Sold cassettes for 60p - Said he'd set the people free.
We shall see, we shall see!
Shah-Shah a go-go! Shah-Shah a go-go!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX_IPiThjwI



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 13:00:20
Salford City losing £91k A WEEK!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 13:07:53
I assume there are no FPP type rules for lower league clubs? Otherwise surely they would be in massive breach?

As they are such a poorly supported side their income must be pretty pathetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 13:38:25
I assume there are no FPP type rules for lower league clubs? Otherwise surely they would be in massive breach?

As they are such a poorly supported side their income must be pretty pathetic.
Hopefully project 92 is going to fall flat on its face and they slip back into non league where they belong.

Peter Lim and his Man Utd cronies wil lose interest at hemorrhaging money soon. £4.3m in L2 is a massive loss, even in the Championship that would be large. Thats a similar amount that Derby County are losing each week.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, April 5, 2022, 15:05:20
Let's hope next season we aren't  competing with Wrexham & Stockport!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 16:06:06
Last night. Not good for the ticker!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 09:13:32
Don’t know quite what to say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10779835/amp/Crawley-Towns-suspended-manager-John-Yems-accused-enforcing-racial-segregation.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 09:19:13
Don’t know quite what to say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10779835/amp/Crawley-Towns-suspended-manager-John-Yems-accused-enforcing-racial-segregation.html
I read on the Crawley forum about a year ago that Yems had an issue with black players but this is as bad as anything Steve Evans has done, they know how to pick them!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 14:29:52
Don’t know quite what to say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10779835/amp/Crawley-Towns-suspended-manager-John-Yems-accused-enforcing-racial-segregation.html

Ah, ah, ah, remember it is the Daily Mail after all. Bloody shocking if true.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 14:42:45
The rest of it is terrible, but segregated training rooms. Surely not. Not as a matter of course. That would have been blown open long ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 17:39:46
https://twitter.com/Mockneyrebel/status/1529024821220212741


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:54:35
EFL CEO Statement on crowd behaviour. That'll fix it! (or should that be Trev'll Fix It?)

https://www.efl.com/news/2022/may/efl-ceo-trevor-birch-writes-open-letter-on-crowd-behaviour/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:02:02
at least they are looking at further sanctions


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:26:42
at least they are looking at further sanctions
Sanctions for future incidents it seems, with little or no punitive action in light of recent events. Hope I'm wrong but the rhetoric suggests they're taking this as a 'learning opportunity' rather than an oportunity to set an example.

I await our fine for the two(?) chairs that were broken in the away end at Vale.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Monday, May 30, 2022, 20:18:23
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61636543

He's effectively got away with it, absolutely pathetic leniency


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whingy the poo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:14:17

£500 Absolutely pathetic punishment.

Big deterrent to stop it happening again, well done FA.  :suicide:
 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:29:29
£500 Absolutely pathetic punishment.

Big deterrent to stop it happening again, well done FA.  :suicide:
 
So much for a points deduction.  We all knew that was never going to happen,  not even a mention of a touchline ban, seems there’s one rule for a club called  ‘Swindon’  and another for everyone else.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:42:56
Pathetic and typical


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:08:00
https://fanbanter.co.uk/fa-to-launch-investigation-into-neil-warnock-over-players-revelation-on-tiktok-video/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 21:49:54
I mean .... what

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61653086


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 05:43:38
I mean .... what

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61653086
Makes a total mockery of the process. Hungarian FA should be sanctioned in a way that is not easily bypassed with some kind of bargain bucket ticket scam.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 06:53:56
I mean .... what

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61653086
Total piss take.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:05:20
I mean .... what

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61653086

Wow. On the one hand you have to hand it to the Hungarians for being so creative, but on the other hand it's completely wrong and I hope they get the book thrown at them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:48:25
Wow. On the one hand you have to hand it to the Hungarians for being so creative, but on the other hand it's completely wrong and I hope they get the book thrown at them.
This.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:52:55
So, do you get England to do the same against Italy at Molineux ?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:53:59
Yes. What's the point otherwise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:30:41
Radio Derby reporting that the Kirchner deal to buy the club is about to collapse.

They’re dead if that happens.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61729900


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:35:30
England fans constantly taunting the German fans about the war.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:13:30
Don't mention the war.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:29:53
Radio Derby reporting that the Kirchner deal to buy the club is about to collapse.

They’re dead if that happens.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61729900

I strongly suspect that big Mike will step in at the last hour to get a deal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:39:31
The EFL have extended their own deadline twice for Kirchner to sort it out. The next round of wages is due in days and, as of now, there is no money to pay it.

Kirchner’s reaction was to tell Derby fans not to worry - I’m off to play golf now!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:42:05
these things always seem to go to the wire


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:45:07
Isn't the sticking point the ground, which the club at present do not own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:56:40
Mel Morris owns the ground


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:26:28
England fans constantly taunting the German fans about the war.
Fuelled,no doubt,by a weekend of flag-shagging Brittania rules the waves claptrap


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:52:51
Fuelled,no doubt,by a weekend of flag-shagging Brittania rules the waves claptrap

Yes no doubt!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:11:58
Fuelled,no doubt,by a weekend of flag-shagging Brittania rules the waves claptrap
Passion,  that’s what’s lacking these days,  maybe I’m an old fart but that’s what’s needed - Passion.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:26:06
Passion,  that’s what’s lacking these days,  maybe I’m an old fart but that’s what’s needed - Passion.

I’m sure everyone, myself included is with you regarding passion. However, regardless of those who think I’m a facist and racist cunt, cannot in any way shape or form condone what those cunts did giving a Nazi salute. Pissed or not, they hopefully will get what is coming to them via the German, errr, sorry EU justice system. Mind you when Kane was celebrating the successful penalty kick in the background there was a German bloke giving him a very enthusiastic middle finger, which did make me laugh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:34:35
Listening to middle aged pissed up England followers singing about the RAF shooting down a German bomber gets tedious


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:04:47
Passion is definitely not the same as being a lairy cunt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:06:37
Passion is definitely not the same as being a lairy cunt.

Spot on


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:48:05
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Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:22:36
Money - You can end the thread there!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:33:16
There’s a reason the Premier League & Champions League exist, and it’s not to improve football for everybody, they are both money making exercises for the big clubs of England & Europe.

Many people believe football started with the PL, whereas it was the beginning of the end.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:35:00
Yep. Don't watch or invest in it myself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:59:29
Yep. Don't watch or invest in it myself.

I used to be a huge general football fan and used to love watching games on TV. Nowadays anything outside of Swindon or the lower leagues in general bore me and I refuse to show any interest.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:02:40
I used to be a huge general football fan and used to love watching games on TV. Nowadays anything outside of Swindon or the lower leagues in general bore me and I refuse to show any interest.

Same. I watched The Champions League Final. But thats about it. Saw the last couple of penalties of the Fa Cup Final.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:06:02
Same. I watched The Champions League Final. But thats about it. Saw the last couple of penalties of the Fa Cup Final.

Yeah, if I am at home then I might tune into the odd finals, or the last games of the season if there is a lot riding, but I wouldn't make a special effort. I actually watched the FA Cup final but we had guests arriving so missed ET and the penalties. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 17, 2022, 09:43:59
This.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/co-chairman-of-league-two-club-claims-theyll-be-in-premier-league-in-15-to-20-years/

Confident much?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, June 17, 2022, 09:45:31
Pride cometh before a fall......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 17, 2022, 09:54:07
Pride cometh before a fall......
Crypto currency on the decline too....what could possibly go wrong? :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Friday, June 17, 2022, 09:55:54
Southern Premier league?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 17, 2022, 10:10:03
Southern Premier league?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrOcrisGyI


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Boeta on Monday, June 27, 2022, 13:34:12
Good article on how Rochdale fans fended over their takeover in the summer that Kieran Maguire tweeted

https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/they-wanted-control-of-the-club-but?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct

And now here we are, in SN1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football (journalism)?!
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 11, 2022, 10:29:17
Alistair Magowan for BBC Sport
'...And if he can help deliver a first MLS title to LAFC, who are again top of the Western Conference this season, his name could go down in legend.'

Christ there's sensationalism and then there is this. Go down in legend for a franchise that COULD uproot at any point to become something like LAFC (Texas South Depot).

I get that "history" is there to be made - it's an ever happening thing but to attach legend this instantaneously to some project that could be more short lived (geographically) than the career of a footballer...

Had this been written by Alistair McGowan (Impressionist) I would have assumed a BBC Sport website hack!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Monday, July 25, 2022, 13:31:42
Pitch invasions: Offenders to receive automatic club ban under new Premier League & EFL measures

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62293635 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62293635)

Not sure which thread this should go in, but worth pointing to considering our direct involvement in the incidents that have lead to this.

Not surprising, but a shame it's come to having to actually enforcing this (assuming clubs actually enforce it). To me the unwritten rule of going to a match (actually, it is probably written, but you get what i mean) as a fan is that you stay off the pitch. You used to be able to make the very odd passable exception for particularly poignant moments of celebration (e.g Jimmy Glass at Carlisle), but that threshold and the following behaviour of some has slid a long way now.

Interesting to see if it's enforceable on the numbers of people we saw contributing the numerous scenes at the end of last season.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 25, 2022, 14:22:34
"Individuals who carry or use pyrotechnics or smoke bombs will also be banned and identified offenders will be reported to the police."
------
Didn't Cardiff have on on Saturday?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, July 25, 2022, 14:51:24
"Individuals who carry or use pyrotechnics or smoke bombs will also be banned and identified offenders will be reported to the police."
------
Didn't Cardiff have on on Saturday?

Yes and he was reprimanded outside the ground by the police. I don't think he was arrested for anything and he was allowed to walk back to the station.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 25, 2022, 15:23:16
Yes and he was reprimanded outside the ground by the police. I don't think he was arrested for anything and he was allowed to walk back to the station.

Presumably it was 'fair game' as it was only a friendly and not a league game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 25, 2022, 17:29:16
personally I don't have a problem with it. But you can't use common sense if you are stamping it out. zero tolerance.
--

The guidelines have only just come out. let them be publicised to the far corners, even Wales, then apply from the start of the season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 12:11:58
Bristol Rovers charging away fans £30 a ticket for their shit heap.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 12:14:49
Bristol Rovers charging away fans £30 a ticket for their shit heap.

Are tent pegs included in that price?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 12:18:46
Just lucky heather I think.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 13:42:35
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Bristol Rovers charging away fans £30 a ticket for their shit heap.

w.....t.....f


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 13:45:16
Bristol Rovers charging away fans £30 a ticket for their shit heap.
I know Barton is a criminal but you can add extortion to that list of offences too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 15:39:59
I know Barton is a criminal but you can add extortion to that list of offences too.

I know that holidays in the UK have become expensive, but I didn't think camping cost so much these days


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 12:42:31
At least refs will be clamping down more this season, apparently.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/efl-referees-given-new-instructions-on-fouls-time-wasting-and-player-behaviour/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 12:56:02
At least refs will be clamping down more this season, apparently.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/efl-referees-given-new-instructions-on-fouls-time-wasting-and-player-behaviour/

For about ten games and then go back to normal.....like always.

Port Vale at home ref (in the league not the play offs) may have been the most clueless ref I've ever seen to these sorts of tactics. Think half the team had to redo their laces at some point and the cunt was oblivious. Absolute muppet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 12:57:27
they could start by booking players that run 20 years to stand in front of the ball when the opposition gets a free kick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 13:02:41
At least refs will be clamping down more this season, apparently.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/efl-referees-given-new-instructions-on-fouls-time-wasting-and-player-behaviour/

If it's done consistently then i'm all for it. I'm sure teams will find sneakier ways to use 'gamesmanship' to see out games. As Batch said, the blocking of quick free kicks should be punished harder. The number of times Reed/Payne/Williams would be fouled and then ready to take a quick free kick only to see an opponent get in the way was countless last season. It was very rarely punished. In theory it should benefit teams like us that try and play football and punish 'cloggers' that are just out to park the bus and stop us playing. Hopefully giving us more entertaining games rather than teams wasting time from the 60th minute to see out a 0-1/0-0 scoreline at the CG.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 14:06:55
um - what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8p6Z8b6_Jk


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: oxonrobin on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 14:11:20
Not sure what I just watched.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 14:30:57
I'm confused.

who, what, why.... association with Crawley?

ok it's the opening fixture, but eh?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 14:32:31
I'm confused.

who, what, why.... association with Crawley?

It's the Wagmi crowd that bought/Invested in Crawley over the summer. I really really don't get it and I'm not sure yanks do either. The proper Crawley fans must be absolutely cringing about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 14:37:34
ah yes, just found that. I assumed it was some weird fan group thing.

that's, er, shit. when do we play them?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 14:49:06
Oh yeah, the red devils. Carlisle fans must be pissing themselves laughing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, July 28, 2022, 16:23:21
ah yes, just found that. I assumed it was some weird fan group thing.

that's, er, shit. when do we play them?
Were up there on the 13th of August !!.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 09:46:27
Not sure whether to put this in the "things that made you smile" thread because it's definitely funny but...

Southend have a new sponsor for their West Stand, which is all good and normal except the name of the local estate agent sponsor is... not an ideal fit for this particularly stand.

https://twitter.com/sjapresley/status/1553395529429794817

Any publicity is, I suppose, good publicity...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, 20:22:09
Not sure whether to put this in the "things that made you smile" thread because it's definitely funny but...

Southend have a new sponsor for their West Stand, which is all good and normal except the name of the local estate agent sponsor is... not an ideal fit for this particularly stand.

https://twitter.com/sjapresley/status/1553395529429794817

Any publicity is, I suppose, good publicity...
For Rose or Southend ?!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, August 5, 2022, 14:07:45
whats "bonkers" with football. try telling me on that rainy night at the Withdean that brighton would in the future be selling players for £60m. a player that has 1 cap and 1 top flight season.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, August 5, 2022, 14:26:47
No burgers at the CG. Pastys and sausage rolls only.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 5, 2022, 15:15:11
First home game of the season for Coventry and there’s a pitch inspection to see if the game can go ahead due to the state of it.

Do they have rodeos or something?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 5, 2022, 15:17:51
First home game of the season for Coventry and there’s a pitch inspection to see if the game can go ahead due to the state of it.

Do they have rodeos or something?

Their pitch was used for the rugby sevens (and maybe other sports, I am not sure) during the commonwealth games and in June hosted German heavy metal group Rammstein prior to that so has taken a bit of a battering. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, August 5, 2022, 16:08:37
Their own fault then for allowing it to happen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, August 5, 2022, 16:23:11
Their own fault then for allowing it to happen

They don’t own the stadium, do they?

So not much they can do about it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 5, 2022, 16:38:40
They don’t own the stadium, do they?

So not much they can do about it

I think that's right. They share it with Wasps Rugby Union so their pitch is always shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, August 5, 2022, 20:22:24
thomas partey playing football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, August 6, 2022, 09:03:17
The constant bleating about fixture congestion by one PL manager in particular and the season hasn't even started.

Reduce the PL to 18 clubs.
Ditch the LC and compensate EFL clubs accordingly for loss of earnings every season. Job done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Saturday, August 6, 2022, 09:47:17
The constant bleating about fixture congestion by one PL manager in particular and the season hasn't even started.

Reduce the PL to 18 clubs.
Ditch the LC and compensate EFL clubs accordingly for loss of earnings every season. Job done.

Pull out of the Champions League.
Easy solution.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, August 6, 2022, 11:06:37
Stop travelling half way round the world for pre-season £££ fixtures😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Saturday, August 6, 2022, 12:12:59
thomas partey playing football

Why?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, August 6, 2022, 12:50:36
A Tweet about 3 Town players wanting out!  :cry:

(The fact that they might want out rather than the Tweet)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, August 6, 2022, 12:52:00
Ward, McKirdy and Reed?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 8, 2022, 11:45:30
not sure it's wrong exactly, but the end of an era as the 5pm classified results go from radio 5

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62397375


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Monday, August 8, 2022, 11:48:57
not sure it's wrong exactly, but the end of an era as the 5pm classified results go from radio 5

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62397375

Back in the 80's/early 90's i could leave the County Ground at the end of the match and be back in my car to hear them at 5pm. Most times now i'm not out of the ground until after 5pm when the match has finished, so haven't listened to it for years now. It is sad, but with smart phones etc it is as you say Batch, more the end of an era.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, August 8, 2022, 13:36:35
thomas partey playing football
Why?

because he should be suspended pending investigation for multiple rape charges. one of which has been released publicly with messages showing what he did. under current law he would be charged but he got off due to technicality.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 01:52:53
A plane was flown over Selhurst Park on Friday (when Arsenal played Palace), pulling a banner that said KICK RAPISTS OFF THE PITCH.

https://the18.com/en/soccer-news/arsenal-banner-vs-crystal-palace-kick-rapists-off-pitch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 06:28:45
Colchester thugs break seats in the away end at Ipswich… then throw them at their own fans in the tier below. Bizarre.

https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2022/august/club-statement/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 06:33:29
Colchester thugs break seats in the away end at Ipswich… then throw them at their own fans in the tier below. Bizarre.

https://www.cu-fc.com/news/2022/august/club-statement/
Our idiots did something similar at Stevenage last year.

Really don't understand it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, August 14, 2022, 17:52:55
Men behaving badly😀

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQlbWY7u8QA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, August 14, 2022, 17:57:38
Great game that was Jimmy wasn't it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, August 14, 2022, 18:00:48
I only saw the highlights and one fixture that never disappoints!
I can't wait to see the post match interviews when they're asked about it😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, August 21, 2022, 17:25:55
Jimmy Floyd Hasslebaink appearing on Sky Sports while his Burton side are rock bottom of league one


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Sunday, August 21, 2022, 20:20:23
Stupid statistics used on football programmes.

Just watched the ITV EFL show, and one of the stats was "Barrow have won three home games in a row for the first time in 50 years in the League". Well yes that's correct, but seeing as they weren't in the League for 48 of those 50 years it's a bit pointless at best.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, August 21, 2022, 21:49:52
Thomas Tuchel, complaining about the result at Leeds today.

Said things started to go wrong because they couldn’t get a flight so had to go up yesterday on a coach.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, August 21, 2022, 22:13:28
Jimmy Floyd Hasslebaink appearing on Sky Sports while his Burton side are rock bottom of league one

Its only because he played for Leeds and Chelsea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, August 23, 2022, 14:58:35
We could have been greeting Garner tonight if the club had shown ambition at Wallsall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Uncletrunx on Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 12:25:08
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62646030

Another case of "buy a minescule non-league club, throw all the cash in the world at it, plough up the leagues."

Probably replacing a team with a long established fanbase and a ton of history in the league, if it works. Then they can play in front of crowds of 1,200 upon reaching league 1...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 13:27:30
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62646030

Another case of "buy a minescule non-league club, throw all the cash in the world at it, plough up the leagues."

Probably replacing a team with a long established fanbase and a ton of history in the league, if it works. Then they can play in front of crowds of 1,200 upon reaching league 1...

They've got to get six promotions to get into the League. Also, Bedford Town (the ground is literally right next door) are three levels ahead, get bigger crowds etc (and have some decent non-league history in the distant past).

Never going to happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, August 24, 2022, 18:45:53
"Real" Bedford. Tosspots


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, August 26, 2022, 00:06:10
Tinport Vale fans getting excited about taking 1700 to Burton............ 38 miles down the road  ;D Wow  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, August 26, 2022, 05:58:24
Tinport Vale fans getting excited about taking 1700 to Burton............ 38 miles down the road  ;D Wow  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Come on Burton …..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, August 26, 2022, 06:50:56
They played last Saturday - 0-2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, August 26, 2022, 12:24:07
"Real" Bedford. Tosspots

They're claiming that it's pronounced 'Real', as in Real Madrid and in Madrid the 'Real' means 'Royal', but I wonder if Bedford is in any way Royal or they're just using this an an excuse for a shitty name.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Friday, August 26, 2022, 12:33:09
Bedford has got one of the oldest Royal Charters -

https://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/gallery-historic-royal-charter-celebrated-civic-service-793994

but i've got no idea if it's connected to that or not.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, August 26, 2022, 12:38:10
Bedford has got one of the oldest Royal Charters -

https://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/gallery-historic-royal-charter-celebrated-civic-service-793994

but i've got no idea if it's connected to that or not.

Ah, could be that, yes. Could also be them using it as an excuse to come across as 'The REAL Bedford' but using cowardice to avoid admitting it. I know nothing of the two clubs and whether they have a rivalry that could stoke that kind of juvenile response. Either way, massive dickhead move.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Friday, August 26, 2022, 13:16:29
Absolutely no rivalry at all. Bedford Town have always been the much bigger club, had some famous cup matches in the 50's and 60's, went bust in 1982, reformed in 1990 and apart from playing "Real Bedford" in their first season back, when they were "Bedford United" they only play them in the odd pre-season friendly as they've always been in higher leagues.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 1, 2022, 11:40:44
So this transfer window Nottingham Forest have spent more than the entire Eredivisie.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, September 2, 2022, 18:51:46
So this transfer window Nottingham Forest have spent more than the entire Eredivisie.

22 players in! Was just reading about them, will be interesting to see if they can beat the drop. Seems like the pissed off quite a lot of people with their FM-like transfer strategy of bidding for loads of players they didn't end up signing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 11:00:55
I think it’s all going to go tits up. However, I would like one of the so called bigger team get relegated. Plus Bournemouth, always Bournemouth.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 11:51:13
22 players in! Was just reading about them, will be interesting to see if they can beat the drop. Seems like the pissed off quite a lot of people with their FM-like transfer strategy of bidding for loads of players they didn't end up signing.

Squad photo😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, September 16, 2022, 15:27:42
Papa Johns Trophy again. Joke of a competition.

At @ManCity's request, our @PapaJohnsTrophy meeting on Tuesday has been postponed due to significant international call-ups in their Elite Development Squad ⚠️❌

We now have new dates for both of our remaining group games in the competition.

#DCFC #dcfcfans


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donkey on Friday, September 16, 2022, 15:55:13
Papa Johns Trophy again. Joke of a competition.

At @ManCity's request, our @PapaJohnsTrophy meeting on Tuesday has been postponed due to significant international call-ups in their Elite Development Squad ⚠️❌

We now have new dates for both of our remaining group games in the competition.

#DCFC #dcfcfans

Need to bin this joke tournament off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 16, 2022, 16:39:42
Papa Johns Trophy again. Joke of a competition.

At @ManCity's request, our @PapaJohnsTrophy meeting on Tuesday has been postponed due to significant international call-ups in their Elite Development Squad ⚠️❌

We now have new dates for both of our remaining group games in the competition.

#DCFC #dcfcfans

Surely they have a big enough squad to put out a team, even if it is an XI full of 17 and 18 year olds, it's not like it's an important game for them FFS.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 16, 2022, 17:30:38
Bournemouth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62933779


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Friday, September 16, 2022, 17:54:51
One has to ask why STFC appears to be unattractive to 'high profile' investors ...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:15:33
One has to ask why STFC appears to be unattractive to 'high profile' investors ...

Have you seen the Bus Station?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:18:40
Have you seen the Bus Station?

Not since 20 August


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:23:47
If you go with scenery alone we're never going to compete with the Bournemouth coastline.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:24:29
If Maxim Denim wanted to start again and repeat what he did at Bournemouth, I’m sure we’d all welcome him with open arms. Where was that report that said we were one of the most attractive clubs for investment in the country?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:28:03
The proof of the pudding is in the actual level of investment


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:33:24
The proof of the pudding is in the actual level of investment

Limited expansion of fanbase - so while it is good for this level, we already have teams either side of us that take the people interested in sport but with no affiliation.  Swindon is big, 30 miles around is not.

Limited chance of ROI - ground isn't yet owned, even when it is the footprint is limited and development options are limited.

Dormitory nature of residents - lots of people live in Swindon because cost of housing is cheaper, they are already supporters of other teams.  Swindon itself is not that wealthy, so not as big return on assets values as you might get in a Bournemouth, not as much opportunity to cream extra money from people (just look at the reaction to price increases when we should be the most expensive club to watch in this Division).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Friday, September 16, 2022, 18:36:41
Limited expansion of fanbase - so while it is good for this level, we already have teams either side of us that take the people interested in sport but with no affiliation.  Swindon is big, 30 miles around is not.

Limited chance of ROI - ground isn't yet owned, even when it is the footprint is limited and development options are limited.

Dormitory nature of residents - lots of people live in Swindon because cost of housing is cheaper, they are already supporters of other teams.  Swindon itself is not that wealthy, so not as big return on assets values as you might get in a Bournemouth, not as much opportunity to cream extra money from people (just look at the reaction to price increases when we should be the most expensive club to watch in this Division).

Yes - I think that I have alluded to these key points in the past


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 16, 2022, 19:39:27
it's ok, we are getting a £35M bus boulevard replacing Flemming Way road.

it's not just a bit of grass and some new bus stops.. nope.

musk or bezos do you think?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 16, 2022, 19:44:17
An investment which nobody gives a fuck about


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, September 16, 2022, 20:23:45
it's ok, we are getting a £35M bus boulevard replacing Flemming Way road.

it's not just a bit of grass and some new bus stops.. nope.

musk or bezos do you think?

Once complete, will JBZ be required to wear a Cravat to Swindon games?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, September 17, 2022, 05:55:38
Bournemouth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62933779

‘American Foley is the 77-year-old owner of the Golden Knights and, evidently, he sees there is money to be made by owning a Premier League club.’ And there you have it, not that we didn’t know that already. TBF that’s a sound bite from the larger written article, however it does demonstrate that the investment/purchase of ANY English football club is done purely on the premise to make money not improve the lot of the fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, September 17, 2022, 06:27:13
If that goes through I think the number of American owners isn’t too far off the number needed to approve premier league changes. 39th game anyone?

Also, Robs points are all valid re: investment potential, but I would argue all apply to the likes of Brentford and Brighton. Just need a local billionaire


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, September 17, 2022, 12:09:46
Scunthorpe in real danger of going into Administration and folding.

Bottom of the National League and with a takeover falling over this week, could be curtains for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, September 17, 2022, 12:23:19
Beef curtains?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Saturday, September 17, 2022, 12:54:45
Iron curtains more likely


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Saturday, September 17, 2022, 12:57:35
it's ok, we are getting a £35M bus boulevard replacing Flemming Way road.

it's not just a bit of grass and some new bus stops.. nope.

musk or bezos do you think?

Would have been cheaper to get me to do it, a few trees, a couple of benches and a tin of paint to write buses only at each end. 3 grand.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:30:48
Celtic fans, classy as always. As well as their catlick compatriots at Dundee United too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:33:07
Celtic fans, classy as always.

Sadly that’s where religion, politics and not being able to let go of or forget the past stew in the shit pot. Sprinkled with a shovel full of ignorance.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:42:39
Sadly that’s where religion, politics and not being able to let go of or forget the past screw in the shit pot. Sprinkled with a shovel full of ignorance.
Indeed it is.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:47:52
I didn't expect Everton fans to behave like they did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:51:24
I didn't expect Everton fans to behave like they did.
And Spurs fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:27:57
Quote from: Jimmy QuitMoaning
I didn't expect Everton fans to behave like they did.

didn't see the games, do you mean they behaved unexpectedly well, or unexpectedly badly


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:30:23
I'm surprised clubs didn't change to a minutes applause once the obscenities started.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:32:29
didn't see the games, do you mean they behaved unexpectedly well, or unexpectedly badly

Disrespectful chanting causing the minutes silence to be aborted after 15 seconds.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:41:26
I'm surprised clubs didn't change to a minutes applause once the obscenities started.

Football has been subject to a commemorative clapping culture for a number of years.
There might be a correlation with the increased profile of the game after its conception by Sky in the early 90's.

In keeping with that, then maybe a minutes applause for every year of the late QE2's life might have been a fitting in game tribute.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, September 19, 2022, 13:45:59
Football has been subject to a commemorative clapping culture for a number of years.
There might be a correlation with the increased profile of the game after its conception by Sky in the early 90's.

In keeping with that, then maybe a minutes applause for every year of the late QE2's life might have been a fitting in game tribute.

Agreed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 05:11:46
There’s a PL/EFL meeting tomorrow where, in exchange for a few more crumbs from their table, the PL will demand an end to FA Cup replays, clubs being able to withdraw from the league cup or field U-21 sides if they are in European competition


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 05:31:44
Football has been subject to a commemorative clapping culture for a number of years.
There might be a correlation with the increased profile of the game after its conception by Sky in the early 90's.

In keeping with that, then maybe a minutes applause for every year of the late QE2's life might have been a fitting in game tribute.

I don’t agree with clapping. It hasn’t the same effect. How can you think and remember someone in the same way as a silence.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 07:35:56
There’s a PL/EFL meeting tomorrow where, in exchange for a few more crumbs from their table, the PL will demand an end to FA Cup replays, clubs being able to withdraw from the league cup or field U-21 sides if they are in European competition
It seems the PL are trying to inflict a slow death on football as many of us know and love it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 08:48:57
It seems the PL are trying to inflict a slow death on football as many of us know and love it

They want it all, and we should be grateful for the crumbs off their table.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whingy the poo on Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 18:17:15
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62965782

Greedy PL teams just want it all. :crash:

The replay money and chance of TV money will be lost for lower league teams who would have earned the right to a replay.
Fucking bullshit.  :cunty:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 14:40:07
Not sure if this should be in the ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ thread.

With the energy crisis affecting every business, weekend FA Cup and league games could kick off at lunchtime to avoid having to use floodlights.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 14:49:43
Shades of the mid 70's with the "three day week".
Nice.

Before my time as a fan, but midweek games were played in the afternoon with pretty poor attendances.
Relegation season for us I think?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 14:53:22
Not sure if this should be in the ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ thread.

With the energy crisis affecting every business, weekend FA Cup and league games could kick off at lunchtime to avoid having to use floodlights.

Couldn't they just ask everyone to hold their mobile phones up?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 14:56:21
Solar powered floodlights?

We should utilise the wind tunnel too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 15:38:09
Memories of playing Pompey in 1974 FA Cup replay at 2pm midweek in January to save on floodlights when there were power cuts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 16:04:01
Solar powered floodlights?

We should utilise the wind tunnel too.

Happy to help!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 09:24:13
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62989792

This should provide an interesting discussion. Personally I'm not sure it's merely a football issue but more a societal issue. There are obviously a large number of factors affecting people at the moment, 'post-lockdown blues', financial struggles and a roadmap of woe really that doesn't look like getting better anytime soon.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 09:51:21
Happy to help!

Can you supply the pegs too?  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 10:45:03
https://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/2022/september/crawley-town-fc-to-scout-players-at-sidemen-fc-charity-match/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 11:02:26
https://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/2022/september/crawley-town-fc-to-scout-players-at-sidemen-fc-charity-match/
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, September 22, 2022, 11:26:50
I’m going to this fucking game, purely for the benefit of 12 year old step daughter

Bloody dreading it, load of shite


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 23, 2022, 18:27:02
Graeme Le Saux co-commentating on Italy v England 🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: oxonrobin on Friday, September 23, 2022, 19:11:51
Graeme Le Saux co-commentating on Italy v England 🤣

Really dull first half


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 23, 2022, 19:12:36
Really dull first half

Very dull🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 23, 2022, 19:22:47
wait, are England playing?

Not trying to be all wanker about it, genuinely didn't know


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: oxonrobin on Friday, September 23, 2022, 20:20:14
They may as well not have. So far below the sum of their parts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 10:48:40
Last season’s autumn international break saw Sky’s live match FGR v Swindon

Today’s international break live match is FGR v Exeter

Has Vince done some more brown(green)nosing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 11:01:45
ITV and the BBC must be wetting themselves at the opportunity to show Salford yet again in a few weeks.  :badmood:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 11:15:22
ITV and the BBC must be wetting themselves at the opportunity to show Salford yet again in a few weeks.  :badmood:
You mean "Gary Neville's Salford"? :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 12:05:34
That's the one, aye. :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, September 24, 2022, 13:47:52
https://www.crawleytownfc.com/news/2022/september/crawley-town-fc-to-scout-players-at-sidemen-fc-charity-match/

1.9 m streaming that currently, I am told


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, September 26, 2022, 17:25:41
Grimsby having to rearrange a rearranged league fixture to play Man City in the piss pot trophy

https://gtfc.co.uk/new-date-for-manchester-city-papa-johns-fixture/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, September 26, 2022, 18:12:34
Quote from: tans
Grimsby having to rearrange a rearranged league fixture to play Man City in the piss pot trophy

https://gtfc.co.uk/new-date-for-manchester-city-papa-johns-fixture/ (https://gtfc.co.uk/new-date-for-manchester-city-papa-johns-fixture/)

absolutely a joke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 09:34:53
EFL clubs that are affiliated with Skybet actually get a %age of fans losses. Proper grubby imo.

https://twitter.com/uglygame/status/1574718276852019201


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 11:33:35
Quote from: jayohaitchenn
EFL clubs that are affiliated with Skybet actually get a %age of fans losses. Proper grubby imo.

https://twitter.com/uglygame/status/1574718276852019201 (https://twitter.com/uglygame/status/1574718276852019201)

affiliate links for clubs, ugh. not a good look from the EFL there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 11:48:53
Also shows the clubs make fuck all out of iFollow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 12:47:15
Grimsby having to rearrange a rearranged league fixture to play Man City in the piss pot trophy

https://gtfc.co.uk/new-date-for-manchester-city-papa-johns-fixture/
Shove the tournament,  total waste of time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 13:19:56
Also shows the clubs make fuck all out of iFollow.

No, it shows Accrington make fuck all out of iFollow. Ot confirms the split that was reported previously, about 58% goes to the club. I


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 13:29:06
No, it shows Accrington make fuck all out of iFollow. Ot confirms the split that was reported previously, about 58% goes to the club. I

Who pays for the filming, equipment, cameraman, commentator summariser etc?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Wednesday, September 28, 2022, 13:35:44
Who pays for the filming, equipment, cameraman, commentator summariser etc?

The club get 58% of revenue, not profit.

Edit - revenue minus collection costs it seems. 67% of revenue before collection costs.

Edit edit - 100% of domestic matchday pass revenue to the club, minus VAT.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 09:06:08
Wasn't sure exactly where to put this but Port Vale have been fined £15,000 for the incident in the play-off at Vale Park.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 09:17:18
What's that equate to, about a fiver for each of their fans?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:14:17
£1.28 from  each ticket sold. That'll learn them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:20:25
It will be interesting to see what punishments Forest and the other sides. (I can't remember who they are now) that had issues with pitch invasions the end of last season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:31:43
Man City was another one


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:44:06
Everton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 11:23:08
Were players assaulted at Man City & Everton?

Forest is the closest to the events at Port Vale, so that will be interesting to see the outcome.

For me a pitch invasion in itself is not the problem (there weren’t any issues at Walsall as far as I know), the issues come when fans think it’s ok to assault players


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 17:37:14
Wasn't sure exactly where to put this but Port Vale have been fined £15,000 for the incident in the play-off at Vale Park.
Points deduction is the only way to stop it.   Fans don’t give a shit about fines - they don’t have to pay them.
Don’t call 15k a deterrent,  a championship players weekly wage ?.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 18:16:52
Points deduction is the only way to stop it.   Fans don’t give a shit about fines - they don’t have to pay them.
Don’t call 15k a deterrent,  a championship players weekly wage ?.

Maybe the clubs that are hit by such fines can sue the fans who caused the trouble.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 18:37:19
a genuinely pathetic fine. for the injuries to the swindon fans and players absolutely pathetic.

huddersfield were fined £70k yesterday- An elderly Luton fan was also left with a head injury after a coin was thrown at him at the end of the match.

An elderly swindon fan had a flare cage thrown and hit his head


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 30, 2022, 22:23:12
Quote from: BBC Football Gossip Page
RB Leipzig's 24-year-old France forward Christopher Nkunku has already completed a medical ahead of joining Chelsea for £52m in next summer's transfer window.

There's tying down players, Wakeling for example, and there's this.  Does this mean there is to be no further follow up or is his current fitness taken as gospel and no change in his physical suitability to the PL need be heeded?  Not 20% of this season done and medicals are being carried out for next season already?  He could be injured for 18 months next week or even just turn to shit in the next few months, what is the point in doing this? Am I missing something here?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Saturday, October 1, 2022, 07:42:23
There's tying down players, Wakeling for example, and there's this.  Does this mean there is to be no further follow up or is his current fitness taken as gospel and no change in his physical suitability to the PL need be heeded?  Not 20% of this season done and medicals are being carried out for next season already?  He could be injured for 18 months next week or even just turn to shit in the next few months, what is the point in doing this? Am I missing something here?

Assume that's all built into the deal. Don't think it's that strange IMO.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Saturday, October 1, 2022, 08:55:36
There has to be some insurance / contingency plan.

Not in great taste but he could be one car crash away from losing a leg or not surviving.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Saturday, October 29, 2022, 19:26:46
Maybe should be in the "what's right with football" thread from a Swindon point of view but:

Gillingham have scored 6 goals in 16 league games. 1 of them has come from open play. That's so shocking it's almost impressive


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 29, 2022, 22:27:14
Maybe should be in the "what's right with football" thread from a Swindon point of view but:

Gillingham have scored 6 goals in 16 league games. 1 of them has come from open play. That's so shocking it's almost impressive
They are shocking.One of the worst sides I've seen for a long time


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 5, 2022, 11:21:10
Mike Ashley tells Coventry to leave:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1705391/Newcastle-Mike-Ashley-Coventry-City-stadium-football-news-Fraser-Group-Championship/amp

trying to get a better deal for himself, or genuine? who knows


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 5, 2022, 11:24:00
Mike Ashley tells Coventry to leave:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1705391/Newcastle-Mike-Ashley-Coventry-City-stadium-football-news-Fraser-Group-Championship/amp

trying to get a better deal for himself, or genuine? who knows
Has to be to up the financial reasons surely.

There is a reason hes so hated by so many, greed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Monday, December 5, 2022, 12:15:04
Good on him. About time Coventry were being run properly and stopped getting everything on the cheap. Swear they been in admin for about 10 years it seems


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 5, 2022, 12:26:28
Mike Ashley tells Coventry to leave:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1705391/Newcastle-Mike-Ashley-Coventry-City-stadium-football-news-Fraser-Group-Championship/amp

trying to get a better deal for himself, or genuine? who knows

I suspect there are a load of factors involved, money legalities with the previous owners etc etc, I see from some reporting the ownership of the club itself is subject to possible legal action. https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/not-case-major-update-next-25674854


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 5, 2022, 13:01:50
Good on him. About time Coventry were being run properly and stopped getting everything on the cheap. Swear they been in admin for about 10 years it seems
They havent been run well in a long long time, since about 2011/12 wasnt it the first time? when they were kicked out originally?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 5, 2022, 13:06:51
They havent been run well in a long long time, since about 2011/12 wasnt it the first time? when they were kicked out originally?

Looking at Wiki, their first brush with admin seems to have been about 2007, when SISU took over with 20 mins to spare, and the rest they say is history...

2005 – Coventry relocated to the 32,609 seat Ricoh Arena after 106 years at Highfield Road. The club's last game at Highfield Road stadium results in a 6–2 win over Midlands rivals Derby County in front of a sell-out 22,777 crowd.
2007 – Coventry narrowly avoided administration when Ray Ranson and London-based hedge fund SISU Capital Limited, took over the club with twenty minutes to spare.
2008 – The club celebrated its 125th anniversary. It avoided relegation to League One despite having been beaten 4–1 at Charlton on the final day of the season.
2009 – The first ever complete sell-out of the Ricoh Arena was announced for the FA Cup quarter-final match against Chelsea on 7 March 2009, which Chelsea won 2–0 in front of a crowd of 31,407.
2012 – Coventry are relegated to League One, the third tier in English Football, for the first time in 48 years.
2013 – The club owners, SISU, place a non-operating subsidiary of the club, which owns no financial assets and has no employee on or off the pitch, into administration. The club moved all staff out of the Ricoh Arena and the administrator accepted a bid from the Otium Entertainment Group, a company registered by three ex-Coventry directors Ken Dulieu, Onye Igwe and Leonard Brody. The club agrees to play future home matches at Sixfields Stadium, Northampton, a 70-mile round-trip from the Ricoh. Following two adjournments a creditors meeting in August rejected a Company Voluntary Arrangement put forward by the administrator.
2014 – The club return to the Ricoh Arena[11] and suffer a shock FA Cup First round defeat at the hands of Worcester City.
2016 – Protests from Coventry City supporters against owners SISU reach an all-time high, with demonstrations during matches against Charlton Athletic and Sheffield United receiving widespread press attention. A petition calling for SISU to sell up and leave was set up in September 2016 and has so far been signed by nearly 20,000 individuals, including several former Coventry City players and managers.[15] FA chairman Greg Clarke described Coventry's situation as "a very sad case", a sentiment later echoed by caretaker manager Mark Venus's description of "a sorry football club".
2017 – Coventry reach Wembley for the first time in 30 years by defeating Wycombe Wanderers in the semi-final of the EFL Trophy.[18] They go on to win the final against Oxford United to lift their first trophy since 1987's FA Cup victory. But that result is in obvious contrast with the club's season as a whole, with Coventry being relegated to EFL League Two, their first time in the fourth tier of English football since 1959.
2018 – The club achieve a top-six finish for the first time since 1969–70, and are promoted via the League Two play-offs to League One, their first promotion from any tier since 1967.
2019 – After failing to reach an agreement with Ricoh Arena owners Wasps RFC, the club commits to a groundsharing agreement with Birmingham City, playing their home fixtures at St Andrew's (a 38-mile round-trip from Coventry), again much to the chagrin of the supporters.
2020 – Coventry were crowned Champions of EFL League One after an Extraordinary General Meeting between all 23 League One clubs, which saw the season ended 9 games early, ruled that the final table would be calculated on a points per game (PPG) basis.
2021 – The club began life back in EFL Championship for the first time in 9 years. In March 2021, The club announced that they will return to the Coventry Building Society Arena in August 2021 on a 10-year deal after spending the 2019/20 and 2020/21 seasons playing home matches in Birmingham. On Saturday 8 May, Coventry beat Millwall 6–1 to secure a 16th-placed finish in the Championship, their best league finish in 15 years. On 7 August 2021, Coventry City played Nottingham Forest at the Coventry Building Society Arena in the club's first game back at the ground in 2 years and their first Championship game in Coventry since 2012 in front of an attendance of 20,843, City won the game 2-1 after a 96th-minute injury-time winner from Kyle McFadzean.
2022 - Douglas King took over the club buying a 85% share of the club, but narrowly failed to acquire the Coventry Building Society Arena (Prev. Ricoh Arena) after losing out to Mike Ashley.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 5, 2022, 13:14:33
Ouch, and we thought we had a rough old list of ownership issues!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 5, 2022, 13:39:20
Ouch, and we thought we had a rough old list of ownership issues!

I know, got a mate who is a Cov supporter and they seem to have had 15 odd years of bloody misery.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 17:03:02
Bloody hell, Neville Southall has let himself go a bit



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 17:06:43
Bloody hell, Neville Southall has let himself go a bit



Whole new dimension to the moniker ‘Big Nev’ don’t you think?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 17:22:00
Bloody hell, Neville Southall has let himself go a bit



For context….. this is the other lad in the photo

https://youtu.be/XadLaAYKol0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 16, 2022, 09:46:00
Sounds familiar https://www.wsc.co.uk/stories/hard-watch-rampant-anti-football-tactics-leave-league-two-fans-short-changed/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, December 16, 2022, 11:20:38
A watchalong in the legends lounge of the 2-1 win vs Oxford a few years ago

I don’t fault the energy and enthusiasm - but if another club did this (including those in yellow) we would pillory them for being tinpot and obsessed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, December 16, 2022, 11:28:11
A watchalong in the legends lounge of the 2-1 win vs Oxford a few years ago

I don’t fault the energy and enthusiasm - but if another club did this (including those in yellow) we would pillory them for being tinpot and obsessed.

I’m glad someone has said it, was my thinking too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 16, 2022, 11:52:05
A watchalong in the legends lounge of the 2-1 win vs Oxford a few years ago

I don’t fault the energy and enthusiasm - but if another club did this (including those in yellow) we would pillory them for being tinpot and obsessed.

Absolutely.

On another ‘if any other club did it’ note.
The whole Clem/Chairman allegedly agreeing a deal for Charlie Austin to sign (all rumours at this point admittedly) but if it was an other chairman at any other club agreeing a signing of any other player we’d be pelting them for being a tinpot mess with a chairman who wants to play real life football manager
& a manager who is obviously nothing more than an out of depth puppet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 16, 2022, 14:09:15
A watchalong in the legends lounge of the 2-1 win vs Oxford a few years ago

I don’t fault the energy and enthusiasm - but if another club did this (including those in yellow) we would pillory them for being tinpot and obsessed.

Is that with special guest host Taylor Curran?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 12:36:30
Rangers allocated three sides of the ground for their away cup tie at St Johnstone, and home fans being charged £30.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/4019329/st-johnstone-rangers-fans-angry-ticket-stands-mcdiarmid/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 12:49:55
Rangers allocated three sides of the ground for their away cup tie at St Johnstone, and home fans being charged £30.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/4019329/st-johnstone-rangers-fans-angry-ticket-stands-mcdiarmid/

Would St Johnstone sell anymore though? Realistically Rangers are going to find a way to buy the empty seats anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 12:53:52
Would St Johnstone sell anymore though? Realistically Rangers are going to find a way to buy the empty seats anyway.

Not really the point though from a fan perspective.  Its not like they are in a different league.

I suspect the salient point is "“After talks between both clubs and the police..". But again, did they do this for the league fixture?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 12:55:20
Rangers allocated three sides of the ground for their away cup tie at St Johnstone, and home fans being charged £30.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/4019329/st-johnstone-rangers-fans-angry-ticket-stands-mcdiarmid/
It is very wrong but StJ are making as much money from the tie as they can, guarenteed sell out which with a home average of 3,500 to sell out the full 10,700 without the risk of Rangers fans infiltrating any of the home stands and with them selling enough home seats to cover their home average.

Maximise profit and minimise any possible trouble.

I think in England we underestimate the gap between the haves (Celtic and Rangers) and the have nots (every other team) in terms of fanbase as I also expect the majority of the Rangers fans in attendance would live more than 25 miles from Perth anyway.

My best mate is a St Johnstone season ticket holder and he backs it as it makes the game less hassle for home fans and also gains them a decent income as the StJ fans do not expect to get any further than this game anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 13:07:30
It is very wrong but StJ are making as much money from the tie as they can, guarenteed sell out which with a home average of 3,500 to sell out the full 10,700 without the risk of Rangers fans infiltrating any of the home stands and with them selling enough home seats to cover their home average.

Maximise profit and minimise any possible trouble.

I think in England we underestimate the gap between the haves (Celtic and Rangers) and the have nots (every other team) in terms of fanbase as I also expect the majority of the Rangers fans in attendance would live more than 25 miles from Perth anyway.

My best mate is a St Johnstone season ticket holder and he backs it as it makes the game less hassle for home fans and also gains them a decent income as the StJ fans do not expect to get any further than this game anyway.

Exactly this. They might be in the same league, but its like us facing City in the cup, apart from we won't fill our own end. What else would be expect the club to go other than give them a bigger allocation?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 13:11:03
Exactly this. They might be in the same league, but its like us facing City in the cup, apart from we won't fill our own end. What else would be expect the club to go other than give them a bigger allocation?
Exactly this, was just going to say we can’t really berate St Johnstone when we did the same thing against Man City last season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 13:14:28
Exactly this. They might be in the same league, but its like us facing City in the cup, apart from we won't fill our own end. What else would be expect the club to go other than give them a bigger allocation?
No it's not. St J play in the same division and beat Rnagers in November.

Exactly this, was just going to say we can’t really berate St Johnstone when we did the same thing against Man City last season.

We increased the home allocation beyond the usual amount, rather than giving three sides to the away team. In terms of ticket prices, yes we did something similar. Not sure how many of the Rangers squad were involved at the World Cup though??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 13:42:06
Exactly this, was just going to say we can’t really berate St Johnstone when we did the same thing against Man City last season.

I'm still a bit pissed off at the ticket prices. The City team was at least a strong one.

We did however do as much as we could to ensure "home" fans got as many seats as possible and City only got the bank.
---
Remember that time we have the Town End to Pompey (?), that went down just as well


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 14:13:12
Exactly this, was just going to say we can’t really berate St Johnstone when we did the same thing against Man City last season.

I'm confused. Isn't the 'issue' here that St Johnstone have potentially disregarded the thoughts of their own supporters and also negated their competitive advantage of a home cup tie by giving 3 sides of their stands to away supporters? Unfortunately I guess for a smaller club they have to look at monetising these things as much as possible but it must be galling for the Die Hard St J fan being squeezed into a stand and surrounded by opposition fans in your own back yard?

I'm not sure it's similar in any way as to what happened in the Cup against Man City unless I am totally missing something?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 14:14:33
I'm still a bit pissed off at the ticket prices. The City team was at least a strong one.

We did however do as much as we could to ensure "home" fans got as many seats as possible and City only got the bank.
---
Remember that time we have the Town End to Pompey (?), that went down just as well

Sunderland and Ipswich fans also got to use the Town End before didn't they? (JJ - your time to shine fella :) )


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 14:32:19
I'm confused. Isn't the 'issue' here that St Johnstone have potentially disregarded the thoughts of their own supporters and also negated their competitive advantage of a home cup tie by giving 3 sides of their stands to away supporters? Unfortunately I guess for a smaller club they have to look at monetising these things as much as possible but it must be galling for the Die Hard St J fan being squeezed into a stand and surrounded by opposition fans in your own back yard?

I'm not sure it's similar in any way as to what happened in the Cup against Man City unless I am totally missing something?

I wonder if they do this the other 12 times a season they play them


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 14:34:07
:)

but this time they can fleece Rangers fans by hiking the prices up ..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 3, 2023, 14:39:52
No it's not. St J play in the same division and beat Rnagers in November.

I'm talking about size of the fan bases, not difference in division or squad quality.

If anything their example is more extremely different, we'd have sold out our ground on our own.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 10:45:54
Interesting article on the unfolding cryptoshambles at Crawley.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/05/crypto-chaos-how-crawley-crumbled-under-owners-reckless-leadership


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 11:03:43
Interesting article on the unfolding cryptoshambles at Crawley.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/05/crypto-chaos-how-crawley-crumbled-under-owners-reckless-leadership

Whatever one things of the way he is running the club, that guy has a strong beard game!

In other news looks like Morecambe will be changing hands, although again it all sounds a bit alarmbelly! Plus £20m???

https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/national/20-year-old-business-tycoon-at-centre-of-new-morecambe-fc-buyout-rumour-3974492


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 11:09:36
Interesting article on the unfolding cryptoshambles at Crawley.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/05/crypto-chaos-how-crawley-crumbled-under-owners-reckless-leadership

Bizarre.
I wonder if Conroy was offered the header bonus as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 11:49:24
Quote from: reeves4england
Interesting article on the unfolding cryptoshambles at Crawley.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/05/crypto-chaos-how-crawley-crumbled-under-owners-reckless-leadership (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/05/crypto-chaos-how-crawley-crumbled-under-owners-reckless-leadership)

Quote
Tonight’s highlight was Johnson asking the fourth official at half-time how subs work. Whilst sat on the bench. Good luck, Crawley fans.”

ouch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 06:21:59
Piss stains player could be in real trouble. He did get booked



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 07:25:15
Wish someone had forwarded it to me,  need to recoup some of my recent bookmaker losses.  Mind, it would never have happened if I’d backed it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 07:01:34
Man United's first goal not being offside is insanity and therefore belongs in this thread


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: oxonrobin on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 07:26:45
Man United's first goal not being offside is insanity and therefore belongs in this thread

The rule could do with tightening up, in this case the player crossed the path of the ball, impacting the defenders options. That seems a lot like interfering with play.

Makes the title race more interesting though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 09:22:30
The rule could do with tightening up, in this case the player crossed the path of the ball, impacting the defenders options. That seems a lot like interfering with play.

Makes the title race more interesting though.

It was a ridiculous decision, one of the worst I’ve ever seen. How Rashford was not interfering with play is beyond me


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 09:34:21
Not sure it’s exactly right but Bill Shankly once said something like “if a player is on the pitch & not interfering with play he shouldn’t be there”.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 09:40:49
Not sure it’s exactly right but Bill Shankly once said something like “if a player is on the pitch & not interfering with play he shouldn’t be there”.

Either he did or Cloughie? But that’s a well known phrase often used in the right footballing context.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 20:14:49
That little prick who kicked Ramsdale in the back during the London derby needs to be made an example of. I know he’s young, but he, and other impressionable little pricks like him, need to know you can’t behave like that. Five year ban from any football ground in the country as far as I’m concerned


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 20:16:13
Also the little pricks harassing Everton players in the street after the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 20:17:27
That little prick who kicked Ramsdale in the back during the London derby needs to be made an example of. I know he’s young, but he, and other impressionable little pricks like him, need to know you can’t behave like that. Five year ban from any football ground in the country as far as I’m concerned

Ban the cunt indefinitely and make Spuds play their next game behind closed doors.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 20:27:58
Life ban for the litltle bastard.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 20:36:23
Ban the cunt indefinitely and make Spuds play their next game behind closed doors.

For one person? We had a bloke run on and take a swing at a keeper a few years back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 20:40:10
For one person? We had a bloke run on and take a swing at a keeper a few years back.

And?

About time the football authorities made an example of a big club, ok, it’s spuds so maybe not that big.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 21:03:39
Yeah punish 60,000 fans because of one idiot seems very fair indeed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 21:05:25
Yeah punish 60,000 fans because of one idiot seems very fair indeed.

Yep.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 07:03:50
Stevenage have sold 2200 tickets for their FA Cup tie at Stoke.

They’ve also sold 22 tickets for their trip to us next Tuesday.

22?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 08:44:34
Stevenage have sold 2200 tickets for their FA Cup tie at Stoke.

They’ve also sold 22 tickets for their trip to us next Tuesday.

22?

You may see this as something for the 'what's right ' thread.  They seem to be punching well above their weight despite the low numbers through the gates and (as far as I am aware) the lack of serious financial backing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:27:41
Gnonto's best Di Canio impression for Leeds last night.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64326065



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:38:56
Gnonto's best Di Canio impression for Leeds last night.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64326065



Wrong??


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 11:12:06
You may see this as something for the 'what's right ' thread.  They seem to be punching well above their weight despite the low numbers through the gates and (as far as I am aware) the lack of serious financial backing.
Not for me. If a club having a great season and in the scheme of things not too far away can’t muster more than 22 fans it has no business in the EFL.

Ditto Harrogate, Crawley, Salford, Fleetwood, Sutton etc. They should all fuck off from whence they came.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 11:30:21
Not for me. If a club having a great season and in the scheme of things not too far away can’t muster more than 22 fans it has no business in the EFL.

Ditto Harrogate, Crawley, Salford, Fleetwood, Sutton etc. They should all fuck off from whence they came.

I think that it has been done to death by others on other threads. As things move on, bums on stadium seats will have less significance.

It will be interesting to see what the actual attendance figure is on the night. But I will be a bit more interested in the scoreline.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 12:39:41
Wrong??

Misread the thread title, thought this was the 'right with football' one. Doh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 15:34:23
Not for me. If a club having a great season and in the scheme of things not too far away can’t muster more than 22 fans it has no business in the EFL.

Ditto Harrogate, Crawley, Salford, Fleetwood, Sutton etc. They should all fuck off from whence they came.

Yep, only the best attended 92 teams in the country should be allowed in top 4 divisions.

None of this earning the right to be there bollocks


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 16:14:20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64333540


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 16:26:05
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64333540
Thats shocking.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 16:32:56
The whole way they have dealt with the situation is mindblowingly wrong


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 16:50:37
Not for me. If a club having a great season and in the scheme of things not too far away can’t muster more than 22 fans it has no business in the EFL.

Ditto Harrogate, Crawley, Salford, Fleetwood, Sutton etc. They should all fuck off from whence they came.
Interesting you say that, I did a quick recap of the poorest away following we have had since around the year 2000.

Here are the averages of the lowest excluding lockdown obviously. Harrogate on 41, Stevenage on 45 and 34 and Accrington on 34 are the lowest away attendances.

Obviously distance will have an impact. Interesting figures for those of us who like to study attendances etc.

Harrogate   - ave 41 in 1 visit. (218 miles)
Stevenage  - ave 68 in last 5 visits. (102 miles)
Morecambe - ave 78 in 4 visits. (212 miles)
Fleetwood   - ave 83 in 3 visits. (206 miles)
Sutton        - ave 98 in 2 visits. (93 miles)
Salford       - ave 109 in 2 visits. (193 miles)
Crawley      - ave 128 in last 6 visits. (106 miles)
Hartlepool   - ave 135 in last 5 visits. (269 miles)
Burton        - ave 139 in 2 visits. (119 miles)
Crewe         - ave 147 in last 7 visits. (134 miles)
Colchester   - ave 156 in last 7 visits. (153 miles)
Rochdale     - ave 165 in last 5 visits. (181 miles)

 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 20:27:43
Manchester City fans have just booed their team off. I know they're losing 2-0 to Spurs and everything, but you have a fucking dream team with the best manager in the world and generally win everything. Remarkable nonsense to get all arsey because you've had a sticky patch (the definition of sticky patch in Man City's world apparently being finishing 2nd in the Prem).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 20:56:06
Manchester City fans have just booed their team off. I know they're losing 2-0 to Spurs and everything, but you have a fucking dream team with the best manager in the world and generally win everything. Remarkable nonsense to get all arsey because you've had a sticky patch (the definition of sticky patch in Man City's world apparently being finishing 2nd in the Prem).

Looks even more ridiculous now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 21:04:40
Looks even more ridiculous now.

…or looks inspired.

Boo’d the team off and they reacted by scoring three goals!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 21:07:58
…or looks inspired.

Boo’d the team off and they reacted by scoring three goals!

Never works at SN1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 21:27:52
Never works at SN1

We obviously don’t boo loud enough


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Friday, January 20, 2023, 06:08:37
I was saying 'boo-urns'.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 20, 2023, 07:17:39
Why, we’ve quite literally never ever had a players called Burns.
(just Byrne)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 14:28:23
As was originally discussed here, seemed most sensible place to put it. IIRC the rumours have been circulating for some time that the lass was no longer co-operating with the police investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-64502021


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 14:32:42
It begs the question, what they hell happened!? Was she paid off? Intimidated? Both?

Brave Club who takes him on if there is anyone. Very clearly everyone knows he is guilty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:01:45
money money money, must be funny, it's a rich man's world.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:06:52
It begs the question, what they hell happened!? Was she paid off? Intimidated? Both?

Brave Club who takes him on if there is anyone. Very clearly everyone knows he is guilty.

I think the suggestion I've seen is that they are back together as a couple.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:29:52
I think the suggestion I've seen is that they are back together as a couple.

Oh god.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:43:37
It begs the question, what they hell happened!? Was she paid off? Intimidated? Both?

Brave Club who takes him on if there is anyone. Very clearly everyone knows he is guilty.

Do we know he’s guilty though? (Genuinely not kept up with any of it)

Or is it a case of people are jumping to the conclusion he’s guilty but got away with it because he has money ??

Like if he was regular man who worked at Tesco’s would everyone have the same ‘how’s he got away with that, he’s definitely guilty’ reaction or not?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:45:40
Do we know he’s guilty though? (Genuinely not kept up with any of it)

Or is it a case of people are jumping to the conclusion he’s guilty but got away with it because he has money ??

Like if he was regular man who worked at Tesco’s would everyone have the same ‘how’s he got away with that, he’s definitely guilty’ reaction or not?

There are some... pretty disturbing videos that came out at the time an arrest was first made. Clearly nothing that would be enough for a conviction without the co-operation of the woman involved in the view of the CPS, but enough to look very fucking bad indeed for the individual in question.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:45:58
Did Man Utd fire him or just suspended?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 15:47:27
There are some... pretty disturbing videos that came out at the time an arrest was first made. Clearly nothing that would be enough for a conviction without the co-operation of the woman involved in the view of the CPS, but enough to look very fucking bad indeed for the individual in question.

Fair enough the sorta answer I was expecting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 16:15:31
Put it this way. If he is innocent, so is OJ.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 16:49:49
Did Man Utd fire him or just suspended?

I would assume suspend, I suspect they would be on very thin ice legally doing more than that pre any trial.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 17:08:00
Yeah club are in an awful spot now. Can't sack him from a legal stand point but can't really go on as normal as there will be uproar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 17:42:54
Do we know he’s guilty though? (Genuinely not kept up with any of it)

There was an audio clip circulating a while ago where basically she says, "I don't want to have sex right now", and he replies something like "Well, I've asked and we're going to do it."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Thursday, February 2, 2023, 21:48:20
There was an audio clip circulating a while ago where basically she says, "I don't want to have sex right now", and he replies something like "Well, I've asked and we're going to do it."

Exactly this, here's a link to a tweet with the audio recording.

https://twitter.com/thfc___dan/status/1621155177146507271?s=19

If he wasn't a footballer, he would be rotting in jail with that as evidence


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Friday, February 3, 2023, 05:56:03
Yeah club are in an awful spot now. Can't sack him from a legal stand point but can't really go on as normal as there will be uproar.
Mad isn't though, they got rid of Ronaldo for saying the gym and restaurant was shit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 3, 2023, 06:23:17
Quote from: DMC
Mad isn't though, they got rid of Ronaldo for saying the gym and restaurant was shit

Ronaldo wanted out and engineered it by doing the Morgan interview


Do we think he'll play for United again?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, February 3, 2023, 10:29:51
Not a chance


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:31:09
Would expect them to pay up his contract and show him the door.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 3, 2023, 11:39:15
No doubt a club somewhere in the world will sign him. Obviously Qatar wouldn’t be too bothered about his past


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, February 3, 2023, 12:06:57
He a very talented player, someone will take him on especially if he ends up being a free agent


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Friday, February 3, 2023, 15:01:11
Ronaldo wanted out and engineered it by doing the Morgan interview


Do we think he'll play for United again?
in which he moaned about the facilities and got released on... No?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Friday, February 3, 2023, 15:07:00
Would expect them to pay up his contract and show him the door.

Man Utd are conducting their own internal investigation and possibly have enough evidence that he's breached his contract, in order to release him without a pay-off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 3, 2023, 15:07:45
Quote from: DMC
in which he moaned about the facilities and got released on... No?

correct

I'm just saying both parties wanted out after that making the situation easier

But on reflection greenwood would be mad not to want to get out the country, so maybe it's similar.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:44:13
https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1622539544078827520

Manchester City accused of less than perfect financial probity.

I, for one, can't believe such things.

I'm sure they'll get demoted two divisions...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:57:20
https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1622539544078827520

Manchester City accused of less than perfect financial probity.

I, for one, can't believe such things.

I'm sure they'll get demoted two divisions...
If only! It will never ever happen again unfortunately, if we had a good solicitor it wouldnt have happened to us either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:11:33
Oooh, city in big shit then.

what do we reckon, might be as much as £1m fine and a windows transfer ban (suspended 3 weeks)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:13:03
Oooh, city in big shit then.

what do we reckon, might be as much as £1m fine and a windows transfer ban (suspended 3 weeks)
£100,000 fine suspended for 3 years more likely.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:15:01
I can safely predict that a lot of sports lawyers will making an absolutely incredible amount of money.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:18:19
If only! It will never ever happen again unfortunately, if we had a good solicitor it wouldnt have happened to us either.

Modern day with Social Media they would back off too.

Just like the European Super League.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:54:16

Just like the European Super League.

That will happen eventually, just needs a few more billionaires owning top clubs to get it over the line.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 6, 2023, 15:50:40
Yet another footballer wrecks his career it seems.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/serious-accusation-made-as-exeter-suspend-top-scorer-jevani-brown-over-disciplinary-matter/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 6, 2023, 16:03:11
Yet another footballer wrecks his career it seems.

https://fanbanter.co.uk/serious-accusation-made-as-exeter-suspend-top-scorer-jevani-brown-over-disciplinary-matter/

Been charged https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-64542042


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 09:23:30
What could possibly go wrong, be interesting to see how the FL manage to fudge the FPP Test on this one. https://twitter.com/SSTInvesting/status/1621729803463233536


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 10:10:57
What could possibly go wrong, be interesting to see how the FL manage to fudge the FPP Test on this one. https://twitter.com/SSTInvesting/status/1621729803463233536

Oooh, that's not good reading.  It may indeed be he has family wealth but that's not how he claimed he made his money.

I mean when we got Jed all he had to do was wave a bank statement with £1M of someone else's money at the EFL. I hope things have moved on since.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 10:36:22
Shades of the teenager who tried to ride to the rescue of Aldershot in the early 90's with £100k of borrowed money that he couldn't pay back.
Got a chat show appearance on the BBC out of it. Everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame or should that be infamy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 7, 2023, 19:30:01
Has STFC found JOE* yet?

About a year on and there's more chance of figuring out the whereabouts of Nicola Bulley than there is of finding JOE  :D







*More likely involvement from contacts at the media company known as JOE and not the made up little lad. Great PR stunt that was  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 12:52:40
Vale fans going apoplectic about last night’s ref for their 1-1 v Accrington. They scored, ref brings it back for a pen which they miss. Apparently Accrington were the absolute masters of the dark arts and, to quote, ‘only Swindon of 10 years or so ago were worse’.

Was that when PdC and the team were smashing everyone?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 13:25:32
I see vile are back to their usual 4k crowds. Only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 13:36:45
I see vile are back to their usual 4k crowds. Only a matter of time.
Fucking crap crowd for a fairly local game too, but Accrington probably only took about 100 for the 52 mile trip!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 14:48:23
Fucking crap crowd for a fairly local game too, but Accrington probably only took about 100 for the 52 mile trip!

52 miles?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 15:01:11
Fucking crap crowd for a fairly local game too, but Accrington probably only took about 100 for the 52 mile trip!

Good guess. 97.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 18:12:21
52 miles?
As the crow flies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 18:41:35
Not sure many people crow fly to away games…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 8, 2023, 20:36:23
Not sure many people crow fly to away games…

Probably more reliable than the trains.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 11:44:27
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european-super-league-news-b2278824.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 12:00:06
it's going to happen one day isn't it

the state of the remaining domestic leagues will be grim when the money goes with it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 13:07:37
I think money was the origin of the demise in football. Bring back the good old days.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 13:48:18
it's going to happen one day isn't it

the state of the remaining domestic leagues will be grim when the money goes with it

How much money from the PL actually filters down lower than the Championship, can't imagine we make much from TV cash (and assume that would stay unaltered if the PL fucked off), if the home grown rules remained they would still have to root around the lower leagues for players which again would be little altered. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 11:49:35
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64584541


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 24, 2023, 09:14:52
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64753335

 ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, February 24, 2023, 09:38:28
Looks like the keeper got the upper hand, fair play to him  ;D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 24, 2023, 09:45:04
Looks like the keeper got the upper hand, fair play to him  ;D

I thought that too! He'll probably get a 3 game ban or something silly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Laddy in Red on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 19:25:19
Midweek FA Cup Fifth Round.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 19:26:41
Midweek FA Cup Fifth Round.

Only for replays😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:27:35
Only for replays😀
It's not  :no:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:30:54
It's not  :no:

I meant mid week FA Cup  games should only be for replays😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:32:26
Bristol City’s kit is bloody lovely.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:33:39
Stadium looks impressive


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 21:30:21
They have played bloody well tonight


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whingy the poo on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 21:48:16

Were Bristol City giving out free scarfs for tonight game?  :hmmm:

Because they are all wearing the same style scarf!  :zipped:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 08:24:35
Were Bristol City giving out free scarfs for tonight game?  :hmmm:

Because they are all wearing the same style scarf!  :zipped:
Yes,  scarves were given out free, one laid over each fans seat.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:06:53
They have played bloody well tonight

Didn't score though  :-[


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:08:15
Ground holds 27k, but attendance was 25.7k. Either City didn't fill allocation?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:51:43
Ground holds 27k, but attendance was 25.7k. Either City didn't fill allocation?

Probably reduced capacity for TV, I know that happens to us. Extra cameras blocking views of certain seats and whatnot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 09:52:32
Yes,  scarves were given out free, one laid over each fans seat.



I miss when the fans got on board with scarves in the Di Canio era because he wore one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 10:01:02
Were Bristol City giving out free scarfs for tonight game?  :hmmm:

Because they are all wearing the same style scarf!  :zipped:

I noticed that. I watched the last half an hour or so. Thought BCFC played really well and the atmosphere sounded electric. In the end the class and quality of Man City shone through. Have to say Ashton Gate did look impressive full last night.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:53:16
So, Khan gets 5 games for a shove and this Charlton player gets a yellow card for a swinging punch

https://twitter.com/J_swfc1867/status/1630675258473586692


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:56:02
So, Khan gets 5 games for a shove and this Charlton player gets a yellow card for a swinging punch

https://twitter.com/J_swfc1867/status/1630675258473586692

Khan got 5 games because it was a repeat offence (the retrospective counts as a red, on top of previous).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 13:58:31
Khan got 5 games because it was a repeat offence (the retrospective counts as a red, on top of previous).

But he got a retrospective red card for a shove, whereas the Charlton player got a yellow for throwing a punch, and because he got a card from the ref it won’t be changed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 14:10:16
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJ1SCQqQ/Untitled.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 14:22:04
But he got a retrospective red card for a shove, whereas the Charlton player got a yellow for throwing a punch, and because he got a card from the ref it won’t be changed.

Not saying the Charlton one is right, saying the Khan one is not wrong - he got 5 games for more than one thing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 1, 2023, 14:41:17
Not saying the Charlton one is right, saying the Khan one is not wrong - he got 5 games for more than one thing.

The 5 game ban is mandatory for a third red card, just questioning whether it should have been a red, considering the two incidents since, yellow cards in the Spurs/Chelsea and now for Charlton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 2, 2023, 06:43:50
Reading in line for a second points deduction


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 00:42:01
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-64861231

Don't know the context of the fight and the persons involved but obviously no one should ever go to a football match and not come home.

Be careful out there lads, lasses and everyone else. As many will know, sometimes you don't even have to be ''involved'' to get caught up in something totally unprovoked.

The less said about those who go purely just for a punch up the better; never understood that kind of Darwin award mentality...maybe their lives are just that shit but there's definitely other ways of getting the adrenaline going; some of them should take up base jumping - without the parachute.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 08:58:06
Be careful out there lads, lasses and everyone else. As many will know, sometimes you don't even have to be ''involved'' to get caught up in something totally unprovoked.

Was having a conversation about this yesterday with someone about not getting invloved.

Certainly if it kicks off in a pub I retreat to a safe distance/go elsewhere, though I could see you could easily get caught up accidentally.

But what about inside the ground? Would you say something if someone was being out of order (e.g. racist). The answer we all think we'd give is "yes, of course".

e.g. I was at Notts County a few years ago and it must have been around remembrance day. There was a group of our "specials" there and while I think the minutes silence was observed the rest of the proceedings were met with "Tommy Robinson" chants. I told them to shut the fuck up, a few minutes later a couple of hardy looking souls sat behind me - I don't know if they were part of the group of moving away from the group.

You'd hope pure racism (e.g.) would be less tolerated by the crowd

I still bottled it though and switched to 'football only' comments.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 09:58:37
When ‘flight or fight’ kicks in for me it’s always ‘flight’ that wins. Not much use really as I’m a big heavy guy! The only time I have experienced both at football was watching Coventry vs Spurs at Highfield Road in the 80s. Charged by Spurs fans, I, and hundreds others move swiftly from the halfway line away from the rampaging hordes. Then, we were stuck and couldn’t escape. I remember having a moment of clarity of purpose and pure rage. I turned and was ready to fight the world. It lasted a few seconds until I realised that those coming towards me were kids. I started walking back towards my seat  and came across ‘pwopper’ naughty boys fighting. I just sat down and let them get on with it - so pleased that I wasn’t part of it……Totally bizarre feelings that I didn’t like at the time, but have stuck in my mind for over 40 years!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 10:39:10
I hate all the needless violence shit and it's sad when someone innocent ends up hurt or worse.

I got caught up in this.....

https://youtu.be/xS0itquGRuo

Not involved obviously,  just happened to get to the ground at the wrong moment. Best thing I could do in that situation, was to stand with my back against a wall. At least you can see what is coming at you. Especially those horses. It passed and I had to get through a police cordon, got grabbed by a copper but he realised I wasn't part of the problem. This was pre match.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 15:11:52
That would have been a familiar scene outside the County Ground hotel / Burden Electronics in the mid 70's through to late 80's


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lardy Cake on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 15:40:12
That would have been a familiar scene outside the County Ground hotel / Burden Electronics in the mid 70's through to late 80's
Don't forget Cudmore's shop. I took refuge in there on one occasion when Bristol City were in town !


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 15:52:20
FA reject Northampton's appeal following their red against Crawley, video in tweet

https://twitter.com/ntfc/status/1633131634483503105?t=kYC4PR_LO27XslAqjT2-Tw&s=19


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 15:56:41
I mean, that is a bit funny. It's got to be for the little stamp/kick at the end right, not the push?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 15:58:41
FA reject Northampton's appeal following their red against Crawley, video in tweet

https://twitter.com/ntfc/status/1633131634483503105?t=kYC4PR_LO27XslAqjT2-Tw&s=19

Looks like simulation is FA endorsed now then.... it is quite funny but what a bloody farce!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 16:00:12
https://twitter.com/VitalWalsall/status/1633090039818207233


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 16:27:31
https://twitter.com/VitalWalsall/status/1633090039818207233

I suspect they are not going to be the last....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 16:49:02
https://twitter.com/VitalWalsall/status/1633090039818207233
If ours are remotely close to that I won’t be bothering. Imagine paying £500+ for a league 2 season ticket. Fuck that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 16:50:42
Good point someone makes......It will price a lot of people out of the game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 16:53:51
Just going by main stand adult price, that's a 17% increase


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 7, 2023, 17:55:21
Walsall and Orient's price increases are around 20% in places i believe. Bradford sticking to their guns and pricing at £200 ish. They've sold 4,000 so far.

I reckon ours will be up but not by as much as 20%


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 16:57:58
But where does it stop... https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-manchester-united-ffp-neville-26388651

Increasingly beginning to wonder whether it would be best if the top 6 just did fuck off elsewhere as they seem to be skewing the whole system*, I see Rotherham's figures have been released which show how they have had to spunk cash about to try and get to and stay in the Championship, lost £5.3m over last decade - but struggled to stay in Championship (three relegations)...

* It will, however, be funny as fuck, watching various NUFC supporters doing moral gymnastics after moaning like hell the other year about how corrupt football was, about how bad the big 6 were, what an unfair cartel the PL and ESL was going to be etc when it looked like they wouldn't get an invite to the party yet likley now lap it up!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 18:22:12
If Rotherham have only lost 5.3m, that is actually not that bad.  We've lost more than that and all we have managed to achieve is becoming a mid table League 2 team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 18:41:01
If Rotherham have only lost 5.3m, that is actually not that bad.  We've lost more than that and all we have managed to achieve is becoming a mid table League 2 team.

How much when you take off how much Power fleeced us on though? Can't imagine its near that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 19:23:05
The accumulated losses since Black sold us are over 10m from memory.  Sure, Power may have taken some cash and maybe hit the P&L through expense charges, but think he took most of the money through loan repayments - he paid himself when others invested the finance (if that is what you are inferring).  So the club still lost money hand over fist.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 10, 2023, 10:30:18
If Rotherham have only lost 5.3m, that is actually not that bad.  We've lost more than that and all we have managed to achieve is becoming a mid table League 2 team.

But how many people are there out there who can spunk £5+m up the wall just to get to (but not necessarily stay) in the second tier, its getting to the stage that even the Championship is unattainable for probably 50+% of clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 10, 2023, 11:58:10
Just double checked out prices from last year.

£370 renewal DRS and Arkells (400 new)
£350 Town End (380 new)

If they are going to try to fleece us out of 20%, make the Town End cheaper and less of a rise. Some mates are considering moving back, but £20 is no saving at all.

I get the TE isn't all about the money/view. But by a couple of accounts there are some right knob youth in our old section - (towards back  in 40s).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, March 10, 2023, 13:39:20
A 20% rise would mean matchday prices of £30 and renewals of £445 & £480 in the side stands.

That must be getting close to the tipping point for some


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, March 10, 2023, 14:16:54
A 20% rise would mean matchday prices of £30 and renewals of £445 & £480 in the side stands.

That must be getting close to the tipping point for some

Definitely too much. The difference in new tickets vs renewed already puts off new buys.

You could probably get away with putting the renewals up to the old new price and slapping another £30 or so on new ones.

I think that would be reasonable given inflation but anymore than that and you're risking a big drop off in buys. That's just over an 8% rise.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 10, 2023, 15:17:08
A 20% rise would mean matchday prices of £30 and renewals of £445 & £480 in the side stands.

That must be getting close to the tipping point for some

Certainly is. Particularly with the way things are in recruitment and performance v fan expectation.

Ifollow gives people options too


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 10, 2023, 15:18:57
I reckon many will say fuck it and just pay for games on the day that take their fancy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Saturday, March 11, 2023, 12:51:11
But by a couple of accounts there are some right knob youth in our old section - (towards back  in 40s).

Near roughly where I am, know a few season ticket holders that have been in those seats for decades that are leaving that area of the TE (or moving to a new stand altogether) cause of it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:34:03
'Uddersfield on the verge of going into Admin resulting in a 12 point deduction, a few buyers lined up but nothing in place yet.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21680113/huddersfield-az-alkmaar-championship/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:35:10
Near roughly where I am, know a few season ticket holders that have been in those seats for decades that are leaving that area of the TE (or moving to a new stand altogether) cause of it.

Indeed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:35:51
'Uddersfield on the verge of going into Admin resulting in a 12 point deduction, a few buyers lined up but nothing in place yet.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21680113/huddersfield-az-alkmaar-championship/

Wow, what a crazy fall from grace. I thought they were being sensible with their money while in the Prem.

Admin after Thursday = 12 points next season - difficult one as they're not quite dead and buried.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:42:02
Wow, what a crazy fall from grace. I thought they were being sensible with their money while in the Prem.

Admin after Thursday = 12 points next season - difficult one as they're not quite dead and buried.

It appears to be more of a writing off debts moonlight flit/pre-pack sort of admin, basically the sort where all their suppliers/creditors get screwed over but gives the new owners a debt free vehicle. Pretty similar to what Power seemed to be trying to do with the yanks before he fucked things up!

Already 6 points off safety and not really showing any signs of a revival so its an admin to basically save money, stinks TBH.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 13, 2023, 11:48:38
It appears to be more of a writing off debts moonlight flit/pre-pack sort of admin, basically the sort where all their suppliers/creditors get screwed over but gives the new owners a debt free vehicle. Pretty similar to what Power seemed to be trying to do with the yanks before he fucked things up!

Already 6 points off safety and not really showing any signs of a revival so its an admin to basically save money, stinks TBH.
I wonder how football transfers stand? as they paid Ipswich £500k for our old loanee Simpson, I doubt that was paid all up front in the Summer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 13, 2023, 12:04:46
It appears to be more of a writing off debts moonlight flit/pre-pack sort of admin, basically the sort where all their suppliers/creditors get screwed over but gives the new owners a debt free vehicle. Pretty similar to what Power seemed to be trying to do with the yanks before he fucked things up!

Already 6 points off safety and not really showing any signs of a revival so its an admin to basically save money, stinks TBH.

I'm surprised Warnock went back there for the remainder of the season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 13, 2023, 12:12:02
I wonder how football transfers stand? as they paid Ipswich £500k for our old loanee Simpson, I doubt that was paid all up front in the Summer.

Aren't they linked to the Golden Share, which essentially makes them a Preferred Creditor - get paid in full before any other funds are distributed to the unsecured creditors.  It's why HMRC started getting much tougher earlier on to avoid being at the back of the queue.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 09:30:10
Bristol Rovers and the Piss Stains are battling it out for a ground upgrade



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 10:12:30
That looks like the stand to the left from the cuckoo lane terrace  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 17, 2023, 02:01:48
I see Reading’s cumulative losses have now reached £179m according to their latest accounts.

How do they keep going?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Laddy in Red on Friday, March 17, 2023, 07:40:22
They'll keep going until they can't borrow more and then debt wipe via administration. We have form here so there's little in the way of morale high ground to view this from but I guess the Premier League is worth the gamble because so many clubs do it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 24, 2023, 12:12:23
I'll link to tweet, its easier.

https://twitter.com/christoph_21/status/1639176263507091456

How is that division remotely sustainable for most clubs?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 24, 2023, 13:22:51
The Championship devours football clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 24, 2023, 14:43:38
Maybe yo-yoing between leagues 1 and 2 is where it's at.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 14:45:54
The problem is we don't have any yo😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Friday, March 24, 2023, 14:55:14
Our aim based on where we are at the moment should be to yo yo between Lg1/Champ, because we shouldn't be remortgaging the house to survive in the Champ.  But as has been alluded to, we are missing a yo currently at this level, so we need to address that first.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 17:56:45
As of next year we’d have spent 6 out of the past 7 seasons in league two

I’d settle for becoming an established league one side at this rate


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:18:59
As of next year we’d have spent 6 out of the past 7 seasons in league two

I’d settle for becoming an established league one side at this rate
Agreed...what a depressing thought though...For some reason (I can't help it) when I see the likes of Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth, Blackpool, Brentford, Bristol City, Brighton, Hull... I go back to the 95/96 season when we OWNED THOSE BITCHES...and I look at where they are now...or what they have achieved in the recent past, even if they've gone up to the Prem and come back down (but just look at those stadiums!!!)  and I think, FUCK...why can't it ever be us... >:(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:35:49
Agreed...what a depressing thought though...For some reason (I can't help it) when I see the likes of Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth, Blackpool, Brentford, Bristol City, Brighton, Hull... I go back to the 95/96 season when we OWNED THOSE BITCHES...and I look at where they are now...or what they have achieved in the recent past, even if they've gone up to the Prem and come back down (but just look at those stadiums!!!)  and I think, FUCK...why can't it ever be us... >:(

It could have been in the early 2000's if the Great Crested Newts & Old Town Councillor hadn't stopped Terry Brady's consortium building a 30,000 capacity stadium, hotel & houses near jct 16/whicelstowe!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:44:09
You have to question how serious Mr Brady's bid was really, don't you?
 :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:47:57
Agreed...what a depressing thought though...For some reason (I can't help it) when I see the likes of Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth, Blackpool, Brentford, Bristol City, Brighton, Hull... I go back to the 95/96 season when we OWNED THOSE BITCHES...and I look at where they are now...or what they have achieved in the recent past, even if they've gone up to the Prem and come back down (but just look at those stadiums!!!)  and I think, FUCK...why can't it ever be us... >:(

Similar but the season I go back to is 03/04 and the Brighton play off season under Kingy.

…even if you ignore the 4 teams that finished above is (Plymouth, QPR, Bristol City & Brighton)

Bournemouth, Luton, Colchester, Barnsley, Blackpool, Sheffield Wednesday, Brentford, Peterborough & Wycombe have all spent season in the top 2 divisions.

…then you look at the division below.

Doncaster, Hull, Huddersfield, Yeovil, Swansea, Southend & Scunthorpe have all spent seasons in the top 2 divisions.

20 years later quite a mixed bag of ‘where are they now?’ But on the face of it…

I dunno why I default to 2003/04. It probably wasn’t but really felt like that’s when the gap between the Premier League and the rest started getting bigger and bigger. When Chelsea starting spending billions. Also feels like the time Champions League qualification started becoming more important than the domestic cups and also when longer term contracts and any form of squad continuity went out the window and everything was 1 and 2 year deals. Big clubs hoovering up young talent, lower leagues filling their squads with loan players.

At the time seemed like new stadium = success. Reading, Wigan, Swansea, Hull all seemed to get new stadiums and progress.

I can’t imagine that’s exactly when it ALL happened but must have been around that time.






Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:51:42
You have to question how serious Mr Brady's bid was really, don't you?
 :hmmm:

It's a long time ago but it seemed serious at the time!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:52:48
It could have been in the early 2000's if the Great Crested Newts & Old Town Councillor hadn't stopped Terry Brady's consortium building a 30,000 capacity stadium, hotel & houses near jct 16/whicelstowe!

We also had the Shaw tip thing as well didn’t we…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:53:48
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3551387.stm


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:55:20
We also had the Shaw tip thing as well didn’t we…

I think it was where the Shaw Forest is now close the the car dealerships but the locals weren't happy in West Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:57:34
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3551387.stm

Good work finding that report and I noticed that capacity had dropped to 22,000 from 30,000


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 24, 2023, 18:57:42
Quote from: Bogus Dave
As of next year we’d have spent 6 out of the past 7 seasons in league two

I’d settle for becoming an established league one side at this rate

how fucking depressing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 24, 2023, 19:08:42
Good work finding that report and I noticed that capacity had dropped to 22,000 from 30,000

…wasn’t difficult.
Only had to google ‘Swindon Town new stadium Shaw Tip’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 19:10:47
…wasn’t difficult.
Only had to google ‘Swindon Town new stadium Shaw Tip’

 :clap: :clap:

Wasn't the site opposite Honda also considered


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, March 24, 2023, 19:21:46
Can only hope that the loyalty card can be binned and replaced by some sustainable success.
Well within our grasp to hold our own in League One, just a case of getting out of this woeful league.
Had enough yet still pull myself into the car and trains and rack up the miles in support of it.

It’s been tough, only knows how I have kept going.
Feel an immense sense of hope with this news, mindful that it won’t be an immediate success but what an opportunity to build from.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 24, 2023, 19:24:26
Can only hope that the loyalty card can be binned and replaced by some sustainable success.
Well within our grasp to hold our own in League One, just a case of getting out of this woeful league.
Had enough yet still pull myself into the car and trains and rack up the miles in support of it.

It’s been tough, only knows how I have kept going.
Feel an immense sense of hope with this news, mindful that it won’t be an immediate success but what an opportunity to build from.

Lets just hope there's enough money in the pot to redevelop the County ground over the coming years to move this great club forwards.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 08:42:55
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65097761


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 13:26:41
Agreed...what a depressing thought though...For some reason (I can't help it) when I see the likes of Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth, Blackpool, Brentford, Bristol City, Brighton, Hull... I go back to the 95/96 season when we OWNED THOSE BITCHES...and I look at where they are now...or what they have achieved in the recent past, even if they've gone up to the Prem and come back down (but just look at those stadiums!!!)  and I think, FUCK...why can't it ever be us... >:(

Two of those clubs had fans going round with buckets at the county ground to save them.

Nobody gives a fuck when its us.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 17:11:51
Two of those clubs had fans going round with buckets at the county ground to save them.

Nobody gives a fuck when its us.
Yep, I remember Bournemouth. They owe me a fucking pound!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 17:17:58
You should have got rid of any old pesetas!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 17:39:16
Yep, I remember Bournemouth. They owe me a fucking pound!

With interest


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 31, 2023, 08:14:00
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65131177

In 2005 the Glazer family bought a debt-free Manchester United. 18 years later United owe £968 million and more than £1 billion has been taken out of the club in interest, dividends and bank charges.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 31, 2023, 11:07:57
Lee Power weren't that bad then🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Friday, March 31, 2023, 13:31:55
The Piss stains having an operating loss for 21/22 of £4m, spending £1.08 on wages for every £1 they make and £20m in debt .

https://twitter.com/kieranmaguire/status/1641777771822080000?s=61&t=2UTeOVNqC2DFXUZMXW2GDA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:11:27
EFL announce Sky Sports as preferred bidders for the EFL rights.

Bottlers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:25:45
EFL announce Sky Sports as preferred bidders for the EFL rights.

Bottlers.

Wrexham will be on about 6 times next season. (assuming they go up)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:40:05
Wrexham will be on about 6 times next season. (assuming they go up)

Likely, but this rights deal starts the season after next.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:41:36
Wrexham will be on about 6 times next season. (assuming they go up)

Wrexham vs Salford. Cant fucking wait.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:43:36
Fairytale.  Think of the narrative.  Thats what its all about.  Hopefully one of them will draw Bournemouth in the cup and the other Franchise.  Sky will explode in a torrent of jizz.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:44:18
Likely, but this rights deal starts the season after next.

Ah fair enough. Not sure how many League 2 games get to be on the box, but I bet Wrexham will get the vast majority of games next season. The Morris factor (if he is still about) might mean we get a game on TV. Same for Bradford and Mark Hughes if they don't get promoted.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, April 3, 2023, 15:45:27
Let's hope Oxford manage to get a live league 2 fixture!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 3, 2023, 17:08:07
Quote from: tans
EFL announce Sky Sports as preferred bidders for the EFL rights.

Bottlers.

sky bid more?!

I'm in favour of retaining the blackout


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 09:48:59
Wrexham will be on about 6 times next season. (assuming they go up)

 :puke:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 14:25:44
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65184213

Italy needs a seismic culture change. If it doesn’t happen then professional football there should be shut down until the racist contingent are discarded of. Might seem harsh to those who just want to enjoy watching people of any race play football, but it’s completely unacceptable and an example needs to be made


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 19:23:48
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65184213

Italy needs a seismic culture change. If it doesn’t happen then professional football there should be shut down until the racist contingent are discarded of. Might seem harsh to those who just want to enjoy watching people of any race play football, but it’s completely unacceptable and an example needs to be made

Money talks and one won’t be made.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 07:49:55
My local team, the recently relegated to the Conf S - Yeovil - now on the verge of possible bankruptcy after their takeover fell through when the new prospective owner failed the fit and proper test.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 07:55:53
My local team, the recently relegated to the Conf S - Yeovil - now on the verge of possible bankruptcy after their takeover fell through when the new prospective owner failed the fit and proper test.

Was Jed not involved there at some stage or did I imagine that?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 07:59:31
My local team, the recently relegated to the Conf S - Yeovil - now on the verge of possible bankruptcy after their takeover fell through when the new prospective owner failed the fit and proper test.

Shit like this is quite poignant.
Like that could so easily be us. We are lucky to still have a club.

Not suggesting our owners are perfect and should get a free ride (before people come in with bedroom preferences) but it could be a lot worse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 08:59:31
Hmmmm

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1654006518671351809

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/andrew-andronikou-derby-county-administrators-5949934


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:12:46
Was Jed not involved there at some stage or did I imagine that?
He was a silent investor but definately put money in, his team Banbury at the ttime had a loan/first option with Yeovil and visa versa before he moved on to Stratford.

Shit like this is quite poignant.
Like that could so easily be us. We are lucky to still have a club.

Not suggesting our owners are perfect and should get a free ride (before people come in with bedroom preferences) but it could be a lot worse
Indeed, it is very easy to fall down the slippery slope in football.

There are way more chancers wanting to own football clubs than Hollywood superstars.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:26:20
My local team, the recently relegated to the Conf S - Yeovil - now on the verge of possible bankruptcy after their takeover fell through when the new prospective owner failed the fit and proper test.

Sad to see.

They did annoy me when they were in the Championship and voted against more money being handed down the lower leagues though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:28:06
Sad to see.

They did annoy me when they were in the Championship and voted against more money being handed down the lower leagues though

Jesus. That really is what goes around comes around. What a braindead decision.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:32:49
He was a silent investor but definately put money in, his team Banbury at the ttime had a loan/first option with Yeovil and visa versa before he moved on to Stratford.
Indeed, it is very easy to fall down the slippery slope in football.

There are way more chancers wanting to own football clubs than Hollywood superstars.

I dont think thats correct JJ, he had to leave Banbury when he took over STFC as it was a conflict of interest. Never went back to Banbury after leaving STFC, partly because he is fucking hated there! No one on the board at Banbury has a good word to say about him!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:46:13
I dont think thats correct JJ, he had to leave Banbury when he took over STFC as it was a conflict of interest. Never went back to Banbury after leaving STFC, partly because he is fucking hated there! No one on the board at Banbury has a good word to say about him!

This popped up the other week, old Jedders is leaving quite a trail in his wake....

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/05/worcester-warriors-the-inside-story-of-a-rugby-clubs-demise

Didn't he roll up at Solihull Moors for a bit after Power got shot of him here?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:51:35
This popped up the other week, old Jedders is leaving quite a trail in his wake....

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/05/worcester-warriors-the-inside-story-of-a-rugby-clubs-demise

Didn't he roll up at Solihull Moors for a bit after Power got shot of him here?

He has what Viz would call the 'Fecal Touch'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:55:21
This popped up the other week, old Jedders is leaving quite a trail in his wake....

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/oct/05/worcester-warriors-the-inside-story-of-a-rugby-clubs-demise

Didn't he roll up at Solihull Moors for a bit after Power got shot of him here?

Certainly did!
Currently standing in the local elections as a tory


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 11:56:40
Certainly did!
Currently standing in the local elections as a tory

Says something about his eye for a distressed brand that he's put a Tory rosette on at the moment!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:17:20
Says something about his eye for a distressed brand that he's put a Tory rosette on at the moment!

You would think that when he shows up around your organisation you'd react in the same way that the local population do when Lyse Doucet pitches up in town.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 4, 2023, 13:20:58
Sad to see.

They did annoy me when they were in the Championship and voted against more money being handed down the lower leagues though

Similar to Scally at the Pikeys who was keen on the Championship (as is now) becoming PL2 so promotion & relegation would be suspended.  For all the reasons to dislike them this became top of the list, such a short sighted self interest view


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 5, 2023, 08:45:36
I dont think thats correct JJ, he had to leave Banbury when he took over STFC as it was a conflict of interest. Never went back to Banbury after leaving STFC, partly because he is fucking hated there! No one on the board at Banbury has a good word to say about him!
Ah cheers must have missheard and it was Stratford then they had the link up with, it was definately a Jed team, whoever he was conning at the time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 5, 2023, 13:21:03
Says something about his eye for a distressed brand that he's put a Tory rosette on at the moment!

He didnt get elected, every cloud


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 5, 2023, 15:51:30
He didnt get elected, every cloud

Yet 288 fools voted for him, possibly giving credence to the oft held view that you could stick a certain coloured rosette to an animal in certain areas and people will blindly vote for it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:22:20
Wigan not paying their players again.

How many times now? Should be excluded from the league imo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:23:50
Hasn’t taken them long to get in the financial shit again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 14:34:59
Wigan not paying their players again.

How many times now? Should be excluded from the league imo

5th time this season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 15:45:35
5th time this season.

Absolute joke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 15:47:26
Will they get a points deduction next season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:16:43
They got a 3 points deduction this season for the same offence.

Can see no reason why they wouldn’t get more of the same next season.

They ‘only’ didn’t pay those players who are OOC at the end of this season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:21:30
Those players are still under contract until July

5 fucking times ffs. Make an example of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, May 6, 2023, 16:35:20
They got a 3 points deduction this season for the same offence.

Can see no reason why they wouldn’t get more of the same next season.

They ‘only’ didn’t pay those players who are OOC at the end of this season.

Another 3 points would be a joke they need a zero after the three


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:39:48
Below (from 442) is a list of certain clubs last 20 managers (excluding caretakers ( think), note John Chapman managed Manchester United in the 1920s, while Thomas Mitchell was the first Arsenal manager back when the team was still called Dial Square.

(https://scontent.fman4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/345645776_270680535312248_6118262839891924925_n.png?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=uMmGCOc5gxIAX8VYZhU&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-1.fna&oh=00_AfDoDeXjuMHFATK_9DOX7r5k7bjjqY3pew0lhqLVFJZCZQ&oe=6460801F)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:44:18
20 permanent managers ago for us was Andy King (first time round) so closest to Chelsea probably. Only three managers have reached 100 games this century (King, Wilson, Cooper).


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 08:52:07
20 permanent managers ago for us was Andy King (first time round) so closest to Chelsea probably. Only three managers have reached 100 games this century (King, Wilson, Cooper).

In my lifetime (almost 60) we had 13 managers in the first 30 years and have had 26 in the next 30.

To be fair, unlike Chelsea & Watford we haven’t sacked that many of them (especially recently)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:08:32
In my lifetime (almost 60) we had 13 managers in the first 30 years and have had 26 in the next 30.

To be fair, unlike Chelsea & Watford we haven’t sacked that many of them (especially recently)

Only two managers since Steve McMahon have managed two full back to back seasons. King and Cooper. Insane really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 09:19:08
Post King (2005):

Onoura - offered a demotion and turned it down (so basically sacked)
Wise - left to join Leeds
Sturrock - left to join Plymouth
Malpas - sacked
Wilson - resigned
Hart - sacked
Di Canio - left in a strop
MacDonald - resigned for personal reasons
Cooper - sacked
Ling - resigned for personal reasons
Williams - sacked
Flitcroft - left for Mansfield
Brown - sacked
Wellens - left for Salford
Sheridan - sacked/resigned under pressure
Garner - left for Charlton
Lindsey - left to Crawley
Morris - sacked

So of the last 18, seven left for pastures new and two left for non-footballing reasons (Ling/MacDonald). The other half were sacked or resigned under significant pressure.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: donaldslovehild on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 18:06:21
Yet 288 fools voted for him, possibly giving credence to the oft held view that you could stick a certain coloured rosette to an animal in certain areas and people will blindly vote for it!
Surely your not suggesting the Conservative candidate vetting process lacks due diligence. From what I know of him, he fulfills all of the criteria required to be a Tory MP.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 18:12:30
Post King (2005):

Onoura - offered a demotion and turned it down (so basically sacked)
Wise - left to join Leeds
Sturrock - left to join Plymouth
Malpas - sacked
Wilson - resigned
Hart - sacked
Di Canio - left in a strop
MacDonald - resigned for personal reasons
Cooper - sacked
Ling - resigned for personal reasons
Williams - sacked
Flitcroft - left for Mansfield
Brown - sacked
Wellens - left for Salford
Sheridan - sacked/resigned under pressure
Garner - left for Charlton
Lindsey - left to Crawley
Morris - sacked

So of the last 18, seven left for pastures new and two left for non-footballing reasons (Ling/MacDonald). The other half were sacked or resigned under significant pressure.



McGreal

Edit (sorry if that’s not relevant. I’ve got a big crack down the middle of my phone so I can only see half of what’s being talked about)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 20:03:54
You're quite right, think he doesn't appear on Rich Banyard's list because he didn't manage a game. No idea how you'd categorise him either!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, May 10, 2023, 20:42:32
You're quite right, think he doesn't appear on Rich Banyard's list because he didn't manage a game. No idea how you'd categorise him either!
He should definitely be on the list. Put him down as 'mutual consent'... needs to be on there though... 'can't airbrush history' and all that...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 17:32:34
Just been having a conversation with the DNA about the Arsenal collapse. His second team like me town being our first obvs.

I see the problem for Arsenal being next season that a number of newer unfashionable clubs all see the prospect of European football within their grasp as the PL title is a bridge to far in terms of player recruiting and the costs of that. The prize these days isn’t the title anymore it’s European football qualification as that’s where the money is. First the LC became a burden to the big clubs, then the FA cup and now to an extent the PL title. You don’t have to win the PL to get a chance at the football money pot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 17:59:04
The Bradford-Carlisle playoff game being played 7pm on a Sunday night.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 20:25:08
The Bradford-Carlisle playoff game being played 7pm on a Sunday night.

Thinking of going?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, May 14, 2023, 21:35:42
I watched it. Didn’t really enjoy it.

Carlisle had some defenders.

Also, the forwards moved rather than wait for the ball to come to them and tried to beat their men.

But, the rest was a bit hoofy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, May 15, 2023, 06:43:26
Their #4 Moxon looked a very good player.

Their left wing back looked handy as well.

Think they'll turn it around at their place. Bradford looked terrible. I hope that's not we turn into under Flynn..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:15:23
Carlisle under Simpson have been very impressive to be fair. I doubt many would have expected Carlisle to be anywhere near the top of the table and I'm sure a few might have actually tipped them to struggle.

Moxon is attracting suitors higher up the food chain. Agree with Pericardinho, I expect they will turn Bradford over up in Cumbria.

On another note, and I know this discussion is done to death, but with all 4 of the league 2 play-off contenders northern clubs, does the final REALLY have to be at Wembley? (I know the answer is yes and they have to suck it up, but it just seems so pointless having a half empty Wembley when you could have a nearly full Old Trafford or wherever.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:40:00
does the final REALLY have to be at Wembley?

From a footballing point of view clearly not, but a final at Wembley is special* I'd be disappointing to lose elsewhere**.

* Is it just me? Even though its been a shithole for us, going to Villa park wouldn't be the same.

**  Not for FA Cup semi-finals FFS. Clearly its all financial clawback


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:50:10
On another note, and I know this discussion is done to death, but with all 4 of the league 2 play-off contenders northern clubs, does the final REALLY have to be at Wembley? (I know the answer is yes and they have to suck it up, but it just seems so pointless having a half empty Wembley when you could have a nearly full Old Trafford or wherever.

And if they must be at Wembley, have them kick off at a time that allows fans to get home after the game on public transport.

For instance the last train to Carlisle on a Sunday night leaves Euston at 1929 (so 29 mins into the 1st half last night) and that doesn't take into account the time it would take getting from Wembley back into Euston to go out again!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 15, 2023, 08:55:25
And if they must be at Wembley, have them kick off at a time that allows fans to get home after the game on public transport.

For instance the last train to Carlisle on a Sunday night leaves Euston at 1929 (so 29 mins into the 1st half last night) and that doesn't take into account the time it would take getting from Wembley back into Euston to go out again!

Yeah that was my main thinking actually Horlock, it's an absolute ballache for fans to get there and back so rather than trying to schedule it around TV times, actually schedule it at a time that suits both parties. Let's be honest TV numbers for the league 2 play-off final aren't going to be record breaking anyway and those that are interested will watch the game on TV whenever it's scheduled.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 15, 2023, 09:01:26
Yeah that was my main thinking actually Horlock, it's an absolute ballache for fans to get there and back so rather than trying to schedule it around TV times, actually schedule it at a time that suits both parties. Let's be honest TV numbers for the league 2 play-off final aren't going to be record breaking anyway and those that are interested will watch the game on TV whenever it's scheduled.

IIRC when we played Preston in the PO final years back it was shitty for them trying to get back after the game.

Actually I fucked up earlier as Carlisle were at Bradford last night weren't they, they could have actually stayed to half time and then left to catch the last train.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bedford Red on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:47:51
From a footballing point of view clearly not, but a final at Wembley is special* I'd be disappointing to lose elsewhere**.

* Is it just me? Even though its been a shithole for us, going to Villa park wouldn't be the same.


Having watched the last 3 "performances" at Wembley, i'd take a Villa Park if it helped us win. Plus the atmosphere would be better i would hope, i remember the Millwall game and you couldn't hear Swindon fans in other parts singing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 08:28:27
https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement/

This kind of cowardly behaviour by football fans really needs to stop. Using a social media platform to racially abuse someone because of losing a football match is beyond pathetic. It seems to be a regular occurrence these days unfortunately. And yes, it's a societal problem but it's also a football problem which needs to be flushed away with all the other hatred which crosses lines.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 16:07:40
8 month ban from football for Ivan Toney for betting

Bit much?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 16:12:36
8 month ban from football for Ivan Toney for betting

Bit much?

Didn’t Joey Barton get 18 months, although reduced on appeal, so a president exists


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 16:15:14
Ouch! Rules are rules I suppose

Edit: Oh, it's immediate


Quote
His suspension starts immediately, but the 27-year-old can return to training with Brentford four months before it ends on 17 September.

He will not be allowed to play again until 17 January, 2024.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 16:44:22
Assuming he wasn’t betting on any games involving his own teams it does seem pretty harsh to me.

So what if he was betting on other games? His money, his life


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 17:05:43
The hypocrisy of football organisations merrily plastering betting brands on anything that stays still long enough and then acting all pearl clutchy when some of their players bet is just phenomenal. Not surprising though...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 17:22:22
The hypocrisy of football organisations merrily plastering betting brands on anything that stays still long enough and then acting all pearl clutchy when some of their players bet is just phenomenal. Not surprising though...

They can bet. Just not on football. It's not difficult to understand and the blanket ban makes it very clear. Vary from that and it makes it bloody complicated. Bet on a former club you still have links with? Allowed or not? Bet on a transfer you've been tipped about. Basically insider trading. Total ban only thing that works and EVERY bloody player knows the rule. If they insist on betting on the game then it's because they think they can pick up easy money from insider knowledge.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 19:39:46
They can bet. Just not on football. It's not difficult to understand and the blanket ban makes it very clear. Vary from that and it makes it bloody complicated. Bet on a former club you still have links with? Allowed or not? Bet on a transfer you've been tipped about. Basically insider trading. Total ban only thing that works and EVERY bloody player knows the rule. If they insist on betting on the game then it's because they think they can pick up easy money from insider knowledge.
In no other sport though does this happen funnily enough


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 20:29:58
In no other sport though does this happen funnily enough

World Rugby, the ICC, the NFL, the NBA all ban players from getting on their sport so I'm not sure what you mean.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 20:50:34
Calvin Ridley got suspended for a year for the Falcons.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 06:23:30
NFL won’t let you bet on anything at all if it’s at or on company business/location. Gambling in America is about 20 years behind here (only recently legalised I think, sure Rob T will know more) - it’s startling sometimes listening to some American podcasts and how positive and encouraging they are about gambling


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 07:20:06
where and how long you have been able to bet on sports depends on state. Still banned in some, but has been around in others for a while.

for example 'sportsbooks' were introduced into Vegas in the mid 70s (which still seems like ages ago). The first legal casino was 1931.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 08:37:08
World Rugby, the ICC, the NFL, the NBA all ban players from getting on their sport so I'm not sure what you mean.
Apologies meant in the UK . I actually agree i was meaning there should be more sports banning there own from gambling


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 08:59:33
where and how long you have been able to bet on sports depends on state. Still banned in some, but has been around in others for a while.

for example 'sportsbooks' were introduced into Vegas in the mid 70s (which still seems like ages ago). The first legal casino was 1931.

There was definitely some de-restrictions of some kind in the past few years though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 09:17:54
We were in Dallas a few years ago and my son tried to bet online but all the websites he uses at home were blocked.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 09:22:14

you are quite right Dave,

https://www.bettingusa.com/states/

Quote
Legal sports betting has expanded as well thanks to a 2018 Supreme Court decision striking down the federal prohibition. In addition to Nevada, we now have legal sports betting in Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Mississippi and additional states since then.

There's a bit of a weird situation with online betting it seems
   - horse racing - fine
   - sports betting not fine
   - other betting (online casino, etc). Not fine (pre 2011), then fine (2011), then possibly not fine (2019)

Maybe Rob will tell us its moved on but it certainly seems way more restricted than here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 11:17:50
(https://i.postimg.cc/8zWyy5tX/newsthump-347639131-3350883078507553-5759378245303180878-n.jpg)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 11:25:14
Is there a summary somewhere detailing what these charges actually relate to, as their ridiculous spunking on players and wages seem little different to a plethora of clubs both here and abroad?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 11:43:20
Is there a summary somewhere detailing what these charges actually relate to, as their ridiculous spunking on players and wages seem little different to a plethora of clubs both here and abroad?
From what I can find
Quote
An investigation into potential rule breaking at Manchester City is focused on illegal payments for underage players, inflated sponsorship deals and hidden salary payments made to a former manager


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 12:08:57
you are quite right Dave,

https://www.bettingusa.com/states/

There's a bit of a weird situation with online betting it seems
   - horse racing - fine
   - sports betting not fine
   - other betting (online casino, etc). Not fine (pre 2011), then fine (2011), then possibly not fine (2019)

Maybe Rob will tell us its moved on but it certainly seems way more restricted than here.

Online is a mess right now - there were moves to free this up and most of the big British betting companies started sniffing around to try and get into the market.  The rules are a mish mash - so Federal rules relaxed a little a I think, but then you have State laws to circumvent.  Keep in mind, Gambling and Alcohol are still seen as Sins by many in the Religious world and the USA inherited Europes Puritans.  The County I live in has only just recently allowed a Liquor store to open and in Pennsylvania, the State buys and sells all alcohol as a single Wholesaler - you cannot buy any alcohol in a Supermarket.

At the Casino level it is very different.  Gambling in person is pretty much banned by all States - Nevada has a small carve out specifically for the Mob/Mormon's, which we no know as Vegas.  However, any Reservation land is not impacted by such State/Federal laws, and so anything seen as revenue from industries of ill repute have gravitated to them - given how their land was raped from them, then sucking the white persons money from them seems the least they could do in revenge.  Hence you'll often find a random massive Casino resort/City appear out of nowehere.

So the short answer is, fucked if anyone really knows - assume it's banned!

It is a bit weird that they then talk about odds all over standard sports programmes.  You also have a massive following of Fantasy Leagues, where prize money sort of replaces the gambling.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 12:10:12
From what I can find

Ta, I've said before if City were up to something I strongly suspect every one of the big clubs in the PL plus the big European clubs were doing likewise!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 12:16:59
Ta, I've said before if City were up to something I strongly suspect every one of the big clubs in the PL plus the big European clubs were doing likewise!

The owners have spent hundreds of millions on sponsorship deals, but they've always pointed to the massive investments subsequently made in facilities in return.  As it boils down to a mixture of the EPL & Man City brand values, then it's a murky old world of opinions.  The baby version of this is FGR at our level, who make a significant amount of their revenue from sponsorship from Ecotricity.  They can always argue that the deal leads to exposure in the National and International press that the local Skip company wouldn't get them, so it's value is much greater for both parties as a result.

The Youth football one is interesting, they pretty much copy and pasted the Barcelona model, before Guardiola moved over.  Given the lack of reputation they had at the time, it would be rather odd for so many players from International locations to suddenly desire a move to rainy Manchester.

The fact everything always looks so obvious but then they win legal arguments goes to show they've played in the right opaque areas of sports financing I guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 12:53:16
The owners have spent hundreds of millions on sponsorship deals, but they've always pointed to the massive investments subsequently made in facilities in return.

They have spent a sodding fortune regenerating the east end of Manchester, I remember when I used to work on the canals and the area around the Etihad was basically an industrial wasteland that we were not allowed to lone work in, they have spent so much working with Manchester City  Council in the area both on their facilities but also wider regeneration projects.

The net spend over the last 5 seasons is peculiar https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city albeit I suppose City could be spending a load more on wages than others? 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 13:06:43
It did help somewhat that they were handed the stadium though, so they didn't have to fork out so much for that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, May 18, 2023, 13:28:44
They have spent a sodding fortune regenerating the east end of Manchester, I remember when I used to work on the canals and the area around the Etihad was basically an industrial wasteland that we were not allowed to lone work in, they have spent so much working with Manchester City  Council in the area both on their facilities but also wider regeneration projects.

The net spend over the last 5 seasons is peculiar https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city albeit I suppose City could be spending a load more on wages than others?  

The net spend is still huge, but they do better than the likes of Man Utd because they sell players on at the right time. Like last summer they received  more for Sterling and Jesus than they spent or Phillips and Haaland. When the sell Haaland they'll either triple their money or they'll get 8 seasons out of him and still recoup the outlay


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 21, 2023, 15:48:07
Don’t know if this is the right place but the strength of Man City’s subs bench today v Chelsea

Ederson, Stones, Dias, Rhodri, Grealish, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Silva & Haaland.

Especially when you look at the eleven playing and think it’s quite a decent team


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, May 21, 2023, 16:05:28
People are going to have to get used to the Prem being won by whichever Middle Eastern country is willing to spunk the most oil money on winning the prem whilst pretending that their own human rights issues are normal compared to the country that they own that club in.  Might as well call it the Middle Eastern Premier League.

I think you are going to see more US investment at EFL level as well, jumping on the Deadpool bandwagon - hopefully if we do get sold, we will be one of them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 21, 2023, 16:05:49
Don’t know if this is the right place but the strength of Man City’s subs bench today v Chelsea

Ederson, Stones, Dias, Rhodri, Grealish, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Silva & Haaland.

Especially when you look at the eleven playing and think it’s quite a decent team

Including the subs that's only a squad of 20😀 The only way around it is to give every play an average points system like they do in speedway so you get penalised if your teams point total is too high. Also years ago you could only play so many foreign players in your starting eleven!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, May 21, 2023, 16:06:45
Don’t know if this is the right place but the strength of Man City’s subs bench today v Chelsea

Ederson, Stones, Dias, Rhodri, Grealish, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Silva & Haaland.

Especially when you look at the eleven playing and think it’s quite a decent team

All they need now is Shade and they are unstoppable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, May 21, 2023, 22:28:03
People are going to have to get used to the Prem being won by whichever Middle Eastern country is willing to spunk the most oil money on winning the prem whilst pretending that their own human rights issues are normal compared to the country that they own that club in.  Might as well call it the Middle Eastern Premier League.

I think you are going to see more US investment at EFL level as well, jumping on the Deadpool bandwagon - hopefully if we do get sold, we will be one of them.

I'll see if I can have a word with Arthur Blank - we at least share some of the same things as Towns/Cities - both grew due to the Railroads, both saw huge expansion in the 90's, we both have sports teams that use the colour Red, both are well known for crushing their sports fans hopes and dreams on a regular basis.  Atlanta Utd already have some sort of partnership with Aberdeen, so maybe they need an English club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 22, 2023, 07:55:19
All they need now is Shade and they are unstoppable.

I'm sure a couple of million(*) would persuade us to let him go




(*) packets of crisps


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 22, 2023, 08:48:43
I'll see if I can have a word with Arthur Blank - we at least share some of the same things as Towns/Cities - both grew due to the Railroads, both saw huge expansion in the 90's, we both have sports teams that use the colour Red, both are well known for crushing their sports fans hopes and dreams on a regular basis.  Atlanta Utd already have some sort of partnership with Aberdeen, so maybe they need an English club.

Aberdeen are the Don's, play in red. We are SwinDON. How much more do you need? Duncan Shearer etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 22, 2023, 08:55:23
Aberdeen are the Don's, play in red. We are SwinDON. How much more do you need? Duncan Shearer etc.

Angus MacDonald.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:00:05
Angus MacDonald.

Jerel Ifil!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:16:09
Jerel Ifil!

Bloody hell i forgot he went there!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:17:50
We have MANY links to the other Dons....Miles Storey, Tom Jones, Juan Cobian, Nicky Hammond, Rory Fallon, Adam Rooney and Scotty Leitch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:19:25
http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/HeadToHead.asp?Team=Aberdeen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:32:25
Didn't realise Tom Jones came from them. Not unusual for me to forget.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:35:38
We have MANY links to the other Dons....Miles Storey, Tom Jones, Juan Cobian, Nicky Hammond, Rory Fallon, Adam Rooney and Scotty Leitch.

Missed out the biggest link - big Dunc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:43:30
Missed out the biggest link - big Dunc
He was mentioned above mate.

Aberdeen are the Don's, play in red. We are SwinDON. How much more do you need? Duncan Shearer etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 22, 2023, 09:54:52
We have MANY links to the other Dons....Miles Storey, Tom Jones, Juan Cobian, Nicky Hammond, Rory Fallon, Adam Rooney and Scotty Leitch.

I had to look up Scott Leitch. I know he was a bit of a legend at Hearts but wasn't aware he had played for the Dandy Dons. Indeed he hadn't. A disastrous assistant manager spell working alongside Mark McGhee only lasted 8 months and included a 9-0 loss to Celtic, ouch!!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 22, 2023, 10:14:03
I had to look up Scott Leitch. I know he was a bit of a legend at Hearts but wasn't aware he had played for the Dandy Dons. Indeed he hadn't. A disastrous assistant manager spell working alongside Mark McGhee only lasted 8 months and included a 9-0 loss to Celtic, ouch!!
No Tom never played for them but I do remember him there on the coaching team, McGhee was an uuter knob.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 26, 2023, 11:59:42
Wigan starting off next season in L1 with yet another points deduction - 8 points this time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, May 26, 2023, 12:12:34
Wigan starting off next season in L1 with yet another points deduction - 8 points this time.

Im getting fucked off with this Wigan saga. Make an example of them. Expel them. How many times have they failed to pay their players? Utter joke.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 26, 2023, 12:29:04
It’s probably more accurate to say ‘chosen’ not to pay.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 13:28:05
 Leeds United’s chairman Andrea Radrizzani offered to use the club’s Elland Road stadium as security for a £26m bank loan which his company, Aser, and a bidding partner, Gestio Capital, intended to use to complete a takeover of Sampdoria.

Is this even legal?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 16:18:22
Leeds United’s chairman Andrea Radrizzani offered to use the club’s Elland Road stadium as security for a £26m bank loan which his company, Aser, and a bidding partner, Gestio Capital, intended to use to complete a takeover of Sampdoria.

Is this even legal?

Wasn't that what got Bury and Derby in the shit?  Albeit on a smaller scale..

Edit:  Might have been Bolton..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 16:27:19
I imagine we’d be no more if Power had owned the CG.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Friday, June 2, 2023, 07:36:20
https://twitter.com/refsupportuk/status/1664351293891125249

Anthony Taylor being abused by some human scum on his way back from Budapest. If I ever give up on football, it’ll be because of something like this. Disgraceful, what is wrong with these degenerates?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, June 2, 2023, 07:50:11
Mourinho certainly stoked the fire!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 2, 2023, 07:57:54
https://twitter.com/refsupportuk/status/1664351293891125249

Anthony Taylor being abused by some human scum on his way back from Budapest. If I ever give up on football, it’ll be because of something like this. Disgraceful, what is wrong with these degenerates?

I see quite a lot of stuff on SM saying Jose Mourinho's behaviour has a lot to do with this kind of reaction. I didn't watch the game and haven't seen any of what he has done, but seemingly he has spoken out in public against the performance of Anthony Taylor in an extremely aggressive manner. It reminds me of when Anders Frisk had the 'temerity' to send off Chelsea's Didier Drogba which resulted in Mourinho alleging that Frisk had invited the Barcelona manager into the referee's room at half time. The fall out of this was that Frisk retired due to death threats against his family.

There is so much shite bubbling about in society these days which i absolutely abhor. Since Covid in my eyes the world has changed. Of course there are multiple other factors, cost of living, a war in Eastern Europe, geo-political issues, protests etc etc. There is so much anger, negativity, hatred and impatience in all walks of life. This also of course spills into the football 'arena'. I'm closer than ever to giving up on the game, every time I see a report of players receiving racist abuse it just makes me want to walk away completely. Sorry I went off topic there a bit Qunk, but the behaviour against Anthony Taylor, walking through an airport with his family (I think it was his wife with him in obvious distress) was disgusting and if I was a Roma fan I would be embarrassed. (although they won't, they'll be on social media blaming Lazio fans or the Italian Government or something rather than owning their cowardly behaviour of fellow fans)

It's a huge shame because football does so so much good in society.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, June 2, 2023, 09:46:34
I see quite a lot of stuff on SM saying Jose Mourinho's behaviour has a lot to do with this kind of reaction. I didn't watch the game and haven't seen any of what he has done, but seemingly he has spoken out in public against the performance of Anthony Taylor in an extremely aggressive manner. It reminds me of when Anders Frisk had the 'temerity' to send off Chelsea's Didier Drogba which resulted in Mourinho inviting the Barcelona manager into the referee's room at half time. The fall out of this was that Frisk retired due to death threats against his family.

There is so much shite bubbling about in society these days which i absolutely abhor. Since Covid in my eyes the world has changed. Of course there are multiple other factors, cost of living, a war in Eastern Europe, geo-political issues, protests etc etc. There is so much anger, negativity, hatred and impatience in all walks of life. This also of course spills into the football 'arena'. I'm closer than ever to giving up on the game, every time I see a report of players receiving racist abuse it just makes me want to walk away completely. Sorry I went off topic there a bit Qunk, but the behaviour against Anthony Taylor, walking through an airport with his family (I think it was his wife with him in obvious distress) was disgusting and if I was a Roma fan I would be embarrassed. (although they won't, they'll be on social media blaming Lazio fans or the Italian Government or something rather than owning their cowardly behaviour of fellow fans)

It's a huge shame because football does so so much good in society.
Agree with every word BO, very well said.

And FWIW, I've always thought Mourinho was an unpleasant, egotistical twat and could never understand the media's infatuation with him...I suppose he's always good good for an outrageous soundbite but I could never stand the bloke...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Friday, June 2, 2023, 10:23:01
I saw a reel of the incidents that Jose was losing his shit about and Anthony Taylor looked to have got everyone spot on.  Typical manager blaming the ref at every opportunity for his team not turning up.  Garner was good at that for us, and Mark Hughes has a history of it - hence why he is plying his trade in Lge2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, June 2, 2023, 10:33:19
Security about as effective as Roma's penalties.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Friday, June 2, 2023, 13:28:28
I saw a reel of the incidents that Jose was losing his shit about and Anthony Taylor looked to have got everyone spot on.  Typical manager blaming the ref at every opportunity for his team not turning up.  Garner was good at that for us, and Mark Hughes has a history of it - hence why he is plying his trade in Lge2

I thought he did absolutely fine considering that, as usual, he had no help from the players and their play acting/generally immature behaviour.

And Mourinho in shouting at him and possibly his family in the car park after the game perfectly reflects the mindsets of those who attempted to physically abuse him at the airport. Mourinho is a bully and a disgrace to his profession.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, June 2, 2023, 18:12:37
I thought he did absolutely fine considering that, as usual, he had no help from the players and their play acting/generally immature behaviour.

And Mourinho in shouting at him and possibly his family in the car park after the game perfectly reflects the mindsets of those who attempted to physically abuse him at the airport. Mourinho is a bully and a disgrace to his profession.

Quite. Two teams notorious for being a bunch of scheming, fouling, diving bastards play a game full of that behaviour, loads of them get booked but it's the refs fault.

Mourinho is and has pretty much always been a fecking disgrace, and should get a substantial punishment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 2, 2023, 19:47:22
The footage of Mourinho abusing the ref in the garage after the game is terrible.

The footage of ‘fans’ abusing the ref in the airport is despicable.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, June 2, 2023, 19:55:06
Anthony Taylor should sue him for defamation of character


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 13:52:35
Yet again, Wigan have failed to pay their senior players this month. Non—playing staff and U-23s paid.

More points deducted?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 19:06:43
Im getting fucked off with this Wigan saga. Make an example of them. Expel them. How many times have they failed to pay their players? Utter joke.

I repeat this statement


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 19:09:17
I agree maybe they should start on -30 next season like Luton did years ago just to set a precedent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 19:30:43
Expel them.

Fuck em.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 19:56:59
I agree maybe they should start on -30 next season like Luton did years ago just to set a precedent.

I thought we set a precedent?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, June 3, 2023, 20:06:02
I thought we set a precedent?

Ours was the opposite we were paying players illegally😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, June 4, 2023, 15:43:49
The Man United fan with 'not enough' and the number '97' on the back of his shirt mocking the Hillsborough victims.

Beyond sick.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 4, 2023, 15:45:57
Met arrested him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, June 4, 2023, 15:47:49
Met arrested him.

Good.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 4, 2023, 15:58:38
Expel them.

Fuck em.
2 Wigan Directors have resigned. Looks like they’re really are in the last chance saloon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, June 4, 2023, 16:02:42
As Tans was saying kick them out the league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, June 4, 2023, 18:46:48
The Man United fan with 'not enough' and the number '97' on the back of his shirt mocking the Hillsborough victims.

Beyond sick.

I only half read the article and didn’t pay it enough attention to the time to understand that was his intent. Utterly disgusting


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 5, 2023, 09:11:06
The Man United fan with 'not enough' and the number '97' on the back of his shirt mocking the Hillsborough victims.

Beyond sick.

Has quite the history with Britain First etc, seems like a lovely chap!

2 Wigan Directors have resigned. Looks like they’re really are in the last chance saloon.

Takeover has apparently been agreed to sort all this, so we shall see... https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/2115526-mystery-surrounds-wigan-athletic-in-latest-takeover-twist believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 5, 2023, 09:18:16
agreement in principle...

what's Power and Curran up to?

in all seriousness hope it works out for their fans . Fans aren't the ones that should suffer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 5, 2023, 09:20:45
I think I heard that Ian Lenegan, who already owns the Rugby League team is going to be the new owner.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 5, 2023, 09:24:09
Ex scummer. Don’t think their fans want him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, June 5, 2023, 09:55:59
The Man United fan with 'not enough' and the number '97' on the back of his shirt mocking the Hillsborough victims.

Beyond sick.
What an incredibly dark place that man's world must be...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, June 5, 2023, 14:03:35
What an incredibly dark place that man's world must be...

If anything it just lacks intelligence and any type of tact or subtlety. Probably thought it was a good idea after a few too many Special Brews or some form of wonderfully-arrogant-coke-induced-brainstorm.

Their brain probably has about as much wisdom as a packet of three minute ramen; that being an absolutely massive insult to any ramen too.

No excuses but if it was a sober thought process that led them to this eureka moment then I worry about the direction of {de-}evolution some of our species are headed.

Not without question that's it's fucking awful

NB: The worse thing is, this specimen has probably already spawned offspring. The only hope is they go a polar opposite direction to this thing after recognising what an absolute melon their father is.

In other fleeting thoughts to ponder upon, the fucking Dime Bar wasn't even born when the Hillsborough Disaster happened AND the match he was attending at Wembley didn't even feature any of the teams involved in said disaster, and lives in fucking Warwickshire. I fucking despair at this mindless attempt to antagonise - one can only further hope he's not offering his brain to scientific research and he's voluntary offered to be castrated before the new season starts.

#RamenHead #AbsoluteMelon #JFT96 #CastrateNotProCreate  :pint:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, June 5, 2023, 14:56:14
I think I heard that Ian Lenegan, who already owns the Rugby League team is going to be the new owner.

Is the young kid that tried to buy Morecambe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 5, 2023, 15:39:08
Is the young kid that tried to buy Morecambe

Isn't he still taking over Morecambe, albeit at a pace that would put a Sloth to shame?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 5, 2023, 15:42:07
Remember that spotty oik who was trying to buy Aldershot years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, June 5, 2023, 15:49:03
Isn't he still taking over Morecambe, albeit at a pace that would put a Sloth to shame?

Hes in for Wigan now according to The Athletic.

Dont know what happened with Morecambe in the end, last i read he couldnt provide proof of funds


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 5, 2023, 15:57:00
Out of the frying pan ...?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65808709

Sunderland fans certainly warning Charlton fans so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 5, 2023, 16:02:48
Hes in for Wigan now according to The Athletic.

Dont know what happened with Morecambe in the end, last i read he couldnt provide proof of funds

Can't imagine with the mess at Wigan they have time for him to takeover if his performance at Morecambe is repeated?

The whole Morecambe thing is odd as he has put some money into the club but it all ground to a halt.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 09:55:03
Out of the frying pan ...?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65808709

Sunderland fans certainly warning Charlton fans so.

And now the potential (or is it completed) Charlton owners have changed to a company registered in the Cayman Islands?? https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1665985065619189761


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, June 6, 2023, 17:04:13
Remember that spotty oik who was trying to buy Aldershot years ago.

Jacob Rees-Mogg?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:16:47
Benzema off for one last pay out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:26:59
Benzema off for one last pay out.

Dunno, considering his pretty grotty history taking the sport-washing dollar will probably suit him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:31:24
£200m a year i would do the same to be honest

Kante is going next


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:33:44
£200m a year i would do the same to be honest

Kante is going next
Kante blame him ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:39:38
Middle East money really is running/ruining football/sport at the moment isn't it.

£200m a year i would do the same to be honest

Kante is going next

My mentality is going to be vastly different to that of Benzema, Ronaldo, Messi etc but these are massively wealthy guys that have had a tremendous football career and are ending it in the backwaters of football, merely for one last pay-day. It's a shame there really is no romance in the game any more, there would be a greater story (in my eyes) if Benzema decided to end his career in Lyon, Ronaldo at Sporting Lisbon/Madeira or Messi to Rosario in Argentina. (they still could of course)



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:42:31
But what standard is Saudi pro football realistically. Non-league?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:45:03
£200m a year i would do the same to be honest

Kante is going next

This was noted on Twitter earlier....

'To put Saudi Arabia spending into perspective: European football's highest ever contract was Lionel Messi at Barcelona: €75m per annum. (This was significantly reduced at PSG).

In SA Ronaldo reportedly earns €200m per annum. Benzema €200m. Kante €100m. Messi offered €400m.'


I think its pretty much tax free as well.

The whole thing is just peculiar, China tried it (paying stupid money for big name players) a few years back and it achieved absolutely feck all, not sure what SA hope to achieve? I can understand spunking the cash on the Golf yesterday as that has never been wedded to geography or history, but football is?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:47:48
I sort of get the Ronaldo/Messi big money, those guys bring an enormous amount of eyeballs and brand power, well beyond what they do on the pitch.

But £100m for N'Golo Kante? A great player, but the very definition of understated. Just a filthy rich bunch of man children spending oil money in an attempt to launder their reputation. It's as grubby as it gets, but football hasn't had ethical standards for a long time.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 12:51:08
I sort of get the Ronaldo/Messi big money, those guys bring an enormous amount of eyeballs and brand power, well beyond what they do on the pitch.

But £100m for N'Golo Kante? A great player, but the very definition of understated. Just a filthy rich bunch of man children spending oil money in an attempt to launder their reputation. It's as grubby as it gets, but football hasn't had ethical standards for a long time.

And that is precisely the way to look at this - it's not a for profit venture, it's a Branding expense of the oil money profits, to further enhance the Saudi stronghold on that market, especially wit Russia being dicks.

On the footballer side, not only is it insane money, many of them have more often than no show they are in it for the money anyway.  How many players in Spain and France keep getting dragged through courts for avoiding taxes?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 16:09:34
Messi chose the less lucrative American option then. Probably good news for Al Nassr and their supporters as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:03:09
5 minutes in and Fiorentina players feigning fouls/injuries v West Ham.

Fucking tedious cheats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:05:33
5 minutes in and Fiorentina players feigning fouls/injuries v West Ham.

Fucking tedious cheats

This


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:07:46
5 minutes in and Fiorentina players feigning fouls/injuries v West Ham.

Fucking tedious cheats

I was thinking the same :cry:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:11:29
It may be the the old centre half in me talking but if they are going to go down with little/no contact, you may as well put in a bit of contact!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:27:18
What a fantastic dive🤣🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:30:31
West Ham fans are utter cretins


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, June 7, 2023, 19:33:21
I haven't seen any police yet🤔


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 07:45:57
Just thinking. Why is the word ‘Conference’ used in a sporting context so much?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 09:12:25
West Ham fans are utter cretins

Unlike the Fiorentina fans who used chains and belt buckles? Cowards.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 09:24:22
Unlike the Fiorentina fans who used chains and belt buckles? Cowards.

Football fans in 'who are the biggest morons' shocker.

Both sides of what happened in Prague were totally wrong. Unfortunately for West Ham and their fans they are likely to receive the punishment for what happened re the items thrown on the pitch as the club will be punished for being 'unable to control their fans'. I guess the throwing of objects was probably seen as 'japery' by those that had been on the sauce all day. I initially thought it was fairly minor, but clearly being hit by those plastic beer 'cups' ended up causing injury. These muppets that can't spend 90 minutes without resorting to behaving like children is part of the reason of these stupid rules like bottle tops being removed at Swindon happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 10:18:39
Football fans in 'who are the biggest morons' shocker.

Both sides of what happened in Prague were totally wrong. Unfortunately for West Ham and their fans they are likely to receive the punishment for what happened re the items thrown on the pitch as the club will be punished for being 'unable to control their fans'. I guess the throwing of objects was probably seen as 'japery' by those that had been on the sauce all day. I initially thought it was fairly minor, but clearly being hit by those plastic beer 'cups' ended up causing injury. These muppets that can't spend 90 minutes without resorting to behaving like children is part of the reason of these stupid rules like bottle tops being removed at Swindon happen.

Looking at the state of the players head I suspect it was more than a cup which caused that injury. As you say Hammers will get, ahem, hammered as it happened in the ground, can't see anything happening for what happened outside. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 10:23:13
Looking at the state of the players head I suspect it was more than a cup which caused that injury. As you say Hammers will get, ahem, hammered as it happened in the ground, can't see anything happening for what happened outside. 

Some of those plastic cups have a bit of an edge on the base and head wounds notoriously bleed like a bastard. It looked like just a cup on the tv footage- though it may have been weighted by fluid content.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 10:43:26
Looking at the state of the players head I suspect it was more than a cup which caused that injury. As you say Hammers will get, ahem, hammered as it happened in the ground, can't see anything happening for what happened outside. 

Looked like a cup from the footage, they even did a slow motion replay at one stage. Those cups had a handle on them so it could potentially have come from that, or the base. I mean it was only a flesh wound, but there was plenty of 'claret'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 15:26:37
Hes in for Wigan now according to The Athletic.

Dont know what happened with Morecambe in the end, last i read he couldnt provide proof of funds
Now under an umbongo


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 15:34:45
The referee was holding up a red lighter/Vape which would definitely do some damage.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 16:08:42
The referee was holding up a red lighter/Vap which would definitely do some damage.

arson for one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 16:36:05
Bloody hell, after the season they have just had...

https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2023/june/a-statement-from-the-barrow-afc-board-of-directors/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 16:38:18
Hes in for Wigan now according to The Athletic.

Dont know what happened with Morecambe in the end, last i read he couldnt provide proof of funds

Couldn't/wouldn't supply the paperwork to pass FPP tests, no idea why this will be any different with Wigan considering its the same FL he is trying to persuade. General opinion from Morecambe fans seems to be good riddance!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 17:39:35
Quote from: horlock07
Bloody hell, after the season they have just had...

https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2023/june/a-statement-from-the-barrow-afc-board-of-directors/ (https://www.barrowafc.com/news/2023/june/a-statement-from-the-barrow-afc-board-of-directors/)


every club has bellends


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 19:02:30
arson for one.

 :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 12, 2023, 18:14:35
HMRC issue a winding up order issued at Wigan.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 12, 2023, 18:21:28
Their players are up for grabs from Friday as they will be released from their contracts with not being paid.

Don’t know if any of them would drop to L2 or we could afford them if they did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 12, 2023, 18:59:18
Quote from: Nemo
HMRC issue a winding up order issued at Wigan.

should force things along a bit


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 10:42:52
Nothing new here, but pretty grim nonetheless.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/sportswashing-world-cup-2030-saudi-arabia-qatar-b2356514.html


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 10:47:32
Nothing new here, but pretty grim nonetheless.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/sportswashing-world-cup-2030-saudi-arabia-qatar-b2356514.html
Same as Ryan Reynolds is trying to do at Wrexham, payback for all the people he killed in Deadpool.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 10:47:43
Looks like Newport are in a spot of financial trouble, £500k owed to the rugby club with there lease having expired. https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/23587522.newport-county-reveal-loss-1-2m-fa-cup-money-spent/

Alongside Crawley and Morecambe, they'll probably be battling out to avoid relegation this season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 11:01:11
Same as Ryan Reynolds is trying to do at Wrexham, payback for all the people he killed in Deadpool.

Are Wrexham trying to get the 2030 world cup now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 11:05:04
Are Wrexham trying to get the 2030 world cup now?
Not sure any American has ever heard of the World Cup TBF.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 11:10:12
Ex Reading journo has tweeted to say that Readings owner has disappeared without a trace and club potentially up for sale. Reading had the highest wages to revenue ratio in the championship.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 11:45:34
If everyone is going to have some bloke from Saudi or Qatar with a bit of oil owning them soon, we may as well have as well.

The clubs owned by yanks can't even compete.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 11:53:30
If everyone is going to have some bloke from Saudi or Qatar with a bit of oil owning them soon, we may as well have as well.

The clubs owned by yanks can't even compete.

We were 30 odd years ahead of the ball with our relationship with Burmah/Castrol!!

In other news, albeit related, David Squires endearing himself to Citeh and Newcastle supporters! https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2023/jun/13/david-squires-on-the-greatest-football-season-in-sportswashing-history


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 12:09:13
According to Whelan Creepies are in the shite again. Summat to do with Wagmi but couldn’t be arsed to read the article


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 14:09:59
Not sure any American has ever heard of the World Cup TBF.

Reynolds is Canadian isn't he?

I will give the Yanks their due.  They have surprised me since moving over with the shift towards proper football.  Atlanta United average around 50k per game and I would put good money on the 2026 World Cup being well attended.

When I went to a local bar to watch the England vs USA game, it too me by surprise to find the place rammed with an hour to go before kick off and I would not call where I live a hotbed.  Probably a lot to do with the changing demographics, but it's certainly growing in the more traditional bases as well.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 14:38:50
Reynolds is Canadian isn't he?
No idea I dont follow him or his career, it was a joke anyway, obviously not taken as a joke by some.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 15:04:43
Wigan's lifeline answered and billionaire takeover is over the line.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 15:11:44
Reynolds is Canadian isn't he?

I will give the Yanks their due.  They have surprised me since moving over with the shift towards proper football.  Atlanta United average around 50k per game and I would put good money on the 2026 World Cup being well attended.

When I went to a local bar to watch the England vs USA game, it too me by surprise to find the place rammed with an hour to go before kick off and I would not call where I live a hotbed.  Probably a lot to do with the changing demographics, but it's certainly growing in the more traditional bases as well.

The thing debating if something is "big" in the US is, its one giant fucking country. You can be doing big big numbers which anyone would clearly answer "yes, its big" but the next persons definition of big is being right in the forefront of the mainstream, which very little is. 

Oasis is a good example. Apparently never 'cracked' America yet was selling out MSG in their so called bad years on the same week so called mainstream American acts were playing to it half full. But people will still tell you they never made it anywhere big.

People will try to argue with you that boxing has become a niche sport in the states because the likes of Terence Crawford aren't houshold names that every general sports fan knows.

The standard some people set for being big or popular in a country as giant as The United States is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 14, 2023, 15:22:37
Wigan's lifeline answered and billionaire takeover is over the line.

Interesting chap, fairly well known Man Utd supporter who also owns the New Statesman Magazine.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 16, 2023, 12:37:04
Reading have been charged by the EFL for failing to pay their players on three separate occasions last season💰❌

Wigan style points deduction?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 19, 2023, 13:03:58
I see that Chelsea (whose owners seem to have some sort of financial tie up with the Saudi PIF) are getting rid of loads of their high earners to Saudi clubs who are owned by... the Saudi PIF.... S'pose its one way of working round FFP!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 23, 2023, 08:20:11
Reading’s umbongo has been extended because of non payment of tax. Deep shit.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 23, 2023, 09:04:51
Reading’s umbongo has been extended because of non payment of tax. Deep shit.
(https://c.tenor.com/TWH8Ex_6QQkAAAAC/tenor.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 23, 2023, 09:08:47
Some fall from 'grace' for Reading isn't it. Could very well be the best stadium to have been in non-league at this rate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, June 23, 2023, 12:03:45
Just one of a bunch of clubs overinflated by a rich owner for a brief period, while clubs with actual ready made fanbases suffer with cunts at the helm. Couldn't give a fuck about them from a 'local rival' stand point, because they're not. But as far as that goes, I'm happy to see it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:36:38
Darlington springs to mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Friday, June 23, 2023, 18:19:12
Reading’s umbongo has been extended because of non payment of tax. Deep shit.



Non-payment of tax, but still going to Spain for a preseason training camp.

https://twitter.com/ReadingFC/status/1672243118257700866?t=OY97OkhNQyboY6OJ5UQYLg&s=19


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Saturday, June 24, 2023, 21:06:40
Bristol Rovers set to sign Jevani Brown, a player who admitted to a charge of assaulting women.

Fits in perfectly with Barton


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 06:26:44
Hope the super computer had a malfunction!

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23608579.supercomputer-predicts-swindon-towns-23-24-finishing-position/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 07:30:20
Hope the super computer had a malfunction!

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23608579.supercomputer-predicts-swindon-towns-23-24-finishing-position/
You mean we won’t finish that high up !😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 08:16:09
Hope the super computer had a malfunction!

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23608579.supercomputer-predicts-swindon-towns-23-24-finishing-position/

Given its using bookies odds to make it's predictions, think there's a pretty good chance it's not going to be correct, especially since we know how accurate the bookies are when it comes to odds at this level.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 09:04:44
Making predictions at this stage is foolhardy. 3 sides still have yet to recruit any players and squads are far from completed. The best value for signing players is as late as possible apparently - Wellens and now Flynn have basically some out and said that.

That said, it's the close season so these sort of nonsensical articles are the only way to get clicks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 09:07:33
When I saw 23/24 I assumed that was our finishing position.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:12:17
Bristol Rovers set to sign Jevani Brown, a player who admitted to a charge of assaulting women.

Fits in perfectly with Barton

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzje9DVWwAE8noA?format=jpg&name=small)

Albeit in previously signing Dion Donohue I am not sure we can really claim the moral high ground here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:38:57
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzje9DVWwAE8noA?format=jpg&name=small)

Albeit in previously signing Dion Donohue I am not sure we can really claim the moral high ground here.

I fucking hate all this shit, in all honesty.
I know people will strongly disagree with me and/or think I’m a cunt,  but I really couldn’t give much of a shit about who Swindon sign, and what their pasts are like.

I just want to go to a game, and see us win, if someone that scores the winning goal happens to be on an assault charge, I really couldn’t give a shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:39:56
I fucking hate all this shit, in all honesty.
I know people will strongly disagree with me and/or think I’m a cunt,  but I really couldn’t give much of a shit about who Swindon sign, and what their pasts are like.

I just want to go to a game, and see us win, if someone that scores the winning goal happens to be on an assault charge, I really couldn’t give a shit.
You ar not alone in thinking that way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:41:51
Ok - Devils advocate.

Its your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mum that someone has beaten up/raped/murdered

Would you still cheer when he scores a goal


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:43:30
I felt very uncomfortable with McCormick.
Less so with Wise.

inconsistent


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:48:49
I felt very uncomfortable with McCormick.
Less so with Wise.

inconsistent
Its been covered a million times before when McCormack signed, but, at which point do you say they have done their time for a crime/been released without charge and then move on and let them get back into normal society?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:53:22
I fucking hate all this shit, in all honesty.
I know people will strongly disagree with me and/or think I’m a cunt,  but I really couldn’t give much of a shit about who Swindon sign, and what their pasts are like.

I just want to go to a game, and see us win, if someone that scores the winning goal happens to be on an assault charge, I really couldn’t give a shit.

I get that line of thinking particularly with something like assault because my understanding is that assault is such a broad term. He could have pushed a woman or he could have knocked ten bells of shit out her: both are assault right?

I can probably look past a one time misdemeanour like that but draw the line before rapists, murders and ex Oxford


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:55:54
Ok - Devils advocate.

Its your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mum that someone has beaten up/raped/murdered

Would you still cheer when he scores a goal

That is a valid point isn’t it? But the answer is not a straight yes or no and you know it. Example being I’m with JJ and Quaggy but only in as much as if an individual has been sentenced and served their time and is genuinely repentant. Equally generally a man who is up in court for some ‘alleged’ incident against a female is then subsequently discharged from any charges or allegations. The latter in someways is worse because they don’t get their day in court but still have the stigma of the allegation to bare. These IMHO should be able to continue their lives and careers unhindered. However society loves a villain, loves to throw stones etc. we’ll all have a repugnance against vermin but some cannot let the due course of justice no matter how it is seen to be served to be the end of a matter.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:57:45
Ok - Devils advocate.

Its your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mum that someone has beaten up/raped/murdered

Would you still cheer when he scores a goal

I should probably clarified, rape and murder is the worst of the worst, but I wouldn’t expect a convicted rapist or murderer to sign for the club, as they’d rightly be doing time.

However, as DV said, assault is such a broad term, it could be something as simple as a push. Even sexual assault could be some bloke pinching a girls ass when pissed up.

It’s a grey area, and I hate all these charities etc getting involved when players sign for clubs.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 26, 2023, 14:59:27
I don't know the full Jevani Brown thing but according to an article -

"Brown has signed a two-year contract with the option of a further 12 months at the Mem after his agreement with the Grecians expired. The 28-year-old is due to stand trial on July 7 after pleading not guilty to assaulting a woman and has previously admitted a second charge of assault relating to a different woman."

As an FYI.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 26, 2023, 15:03:27
Its been covered a million times before when McCormack signed, but, at which point do you say they have done their time for a crime/been released without charge and then move on and let them get back into normal society?

There is entirely that but I think in the case of McCormack (which I agree was and has been done to death), there is/was also a degree of There but by the grace of god and all that.

As for Brown as we are not signing him I don't really care for now, it was purely that it had been raised on here and then that thing popped up on Twitter. One would assume that Rovers are pretty sure he is not going to go down if they have agreed a 2 year contract with him.

P.S He is specifically charged with 2 counts of assaulting women by beating, admitted one denied the other.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, June 26, 2023, 15:15:51
I wonder if Man Utd fans had known that Giggs beat up his previous wife and partner and cheated with his brothers wife for eight years would have worshipped him like they did.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 26, 2023, 15:17:31
I felt very uncomfortable with McCormick.
Less so with Wise.

inconsistent

Again, and maybe i’m a cunt, but the McCormick thing didn’t bother me.

He made a mistake, a catastrophic mistake at that, but he served his time so in my eyes should be okay to resume his career.
I’m not going to sit here and pretend I haven’t drink drove, because I did in my younger days when I as an idiot. I was just very lucky I never hurt myself, and more importantly anyone else.

So I can’t sit here and judge him for doing the same.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Monday, June 26, 2023, 16:19:09
Always a very grey area. McCormick was a absolute idiot and didn't get away with. Jimmy Davies was a absolute idiot and didn't get away with it either but the outcomes being so different leads them to be judged very differently. They both commoitted the exact crime


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 26, 2023, 16:27:11
Again, and maybe i’m a cunt, but the McCormick thing didn’t bother me.

He made a mistake, a catastrophic mistake at that, but he served his time so in my eyes should be okay to resume his career.
I’m not going to sit here and pretend I haven’t drink drove, because I did in my younger days when I as an idiot. I was just very lucky I never hurt myself, and more importantly anyone else.

So I can’t sit here and judge him for doing the same.

Exactly, people in glass houses and they who are without son cast the first stone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 26, 2023, 16:36:42
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Its been covered a million times before when McCormack signed, but, at which point do you say they have done their time for a crime/been released without charge and then move on and let them get back into normal society?

it's a personal thing.

the legal side is well defined


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 26, 2023, 17:53:12
Reading have a winding up order



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 26, 2023, 18:36:58
it's a personal thing.

the legal side is well defined

Really? I guarantee that a lawyer will beg to differ..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 09:13:18
Gary Neville becoming a Dragon on Dragon’s Den.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 09:16:08
Love that. Good on him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 09:17:11
Always a very grey area. McCormick was a absolute idiot and didn't get away with. Jimmy Davies was a absolute idiot and didn't get away with it either but the outcomes being so different leads them to be judged very differently. They both committed the exact crime

Yeah, pretty much this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 13:39:27
Premier league supposedly looking to buy international coverage for the FA Cup. Worries are that it would give them much more leverage over the FA allowing them to push through their proposals such as scrapping replays, moving games to midweek and moving the final to a PL weekend.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 13:50:49
https://twitter.com/RyanDilks1/status/1676583622239715328

Made me smile but imagine if our new manager unveiling was just Clem going off on one about Sam Parkin.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 12:27:11
Whilst the theory is nice, if you know the scene you could conclude that they are comparing him to a 20' cock and balls/love length!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJXKYa3o/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 7, 2023, 16:09:17
Edwin van der Sar in intensive care after a bleed on the brain


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 10, 2023, 15:34:57
Reading in court over unpaid tax bill. This bit from previous owner John Madjetski (?) sounds ominous.

‘ “Running football clubs is not for the faint hearted. I don’t agree with the way it’s being run at the moment, but what I have to say is that Mr Dai has presided over Reading Football Club for six years and has put in well over £200 million.

“It’s a worry because we know he walked away from the club he owned in Belgium. He also allegedly put two clubs into liquidation in China so his track record is not good.’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, July 10, 2023, 18:09:36
Not that I give a fuck because its Reading but how are cunts that have been involved in the downfall of several other clubs allowed to even takeover somewhere new?

It was my main argument vs happy clappers when people questioned why I had it in for Power given his history with Cambridge, Luton, Rushden and somewhere else I might be forgetting.

Its like the monorail cunt from the Simpsons turning up in Springfield when he's already turned North Haverbrook in to a shithole.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, July 10, 2023, 18:54:03
Not that I give a fuck because its Reading but how are cunts that have been involved in the downfall of several other clubs allowed to even takeover somewhere new?

It was my main argument vs happy clappers when people questioned why I had it in for Power given his history with Cambridge, Luton, Rushden and somewhere else I might be forgetting.

Its like the monorail cunt from the Simpsons turning up in Springfield when he's already turned North Haverbrook in to a shithole.

‘Its like the monorail cunt from the Simpsons turning up in Springfield when he's already turned North Haverbrook in to a shithole.’

You do realise that for the rest of the evening I’m going to be chanting, Monorail, Monorail, Monorail, Monorail in my head you bastard.

🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 08:43:50
Depends on where one sits on the matter as to whether its wrong or right, Morecambe have announced that they are doing away with Programmes for the coming season replacing it with a monthly magazine. I suspect Morecambe are not the only club who have been losing money in producing one for each match day.

https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2023/july/matchday-programme-to-evolve-for-new-season/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 09:04:32
Not that I give a fuck because its Reading but how are cunts that have been involved in the downfall of several other clubs allowed to even takeover somewhere new?

It was my main argument vs happy clappers when people questioned why I had it in for Power given his history with Cambridge, Luton, Rushden and somewhere else I might be forgetting.

Its like the monorail cunt from the Simpsons turning up in Springfield when he's already turned North Haverbrook in to a shithole.

Haha. I have an image of Lee Power in a straw boater leading The Trust AGM in a sort of Chas N Dave cockney-knees-up version of “Monorail”  when they agreed to buy the ground with him.

Now we have the board of the Monorail Company in charge and, again, caution about their motivations is verboten amongst elements of our fanbase.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 11:22:38
Depends on where one sits on the matter as to whether its wrong or right, Morecambe have announced that they are doing away with Programmes for the coming season replacing it with a monthly magazine. I suspect Morecambe are not the only club who have been losing money in producing one for each match day.

https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2023/july/matchday-programme-to-evolve-for-new-season/

Do we still do a physical one? Can just download it on your phone now, can't you?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 11:54:18
you can get it digitally

we certainly had a physical one last year


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 11:56:16
I haven't bought a programme in years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, July 11, 2023, 13:03:58
I like buying one away to be honest


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 11:19:42
Could be the end of Southend today. In court facing a winding up order from HMRC.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 11:29:25
Could be the end of Southend today. In court facing a winding up order from HMRC.

Managed to get a further 42 day extension to sort their finances out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 12:49:29
Perhaps we can obtain a similar loan for all our overseas activities... https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2023/07/11/wolves-secure-99m-government-loan/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 13:12:36
Perhaps we can obtain a similar loan for all our overseas activities... https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2023/07/11/wolves-secure-99m-government-loan/
Seems a very normal thing this now doesn't it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, July 12, 2023, 13:16:56
Perhaps we can obtain a similar loan for all our overseas activities... https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2023/07/11/wolves-secure-99m-government-loan/

 i think we'd miss the mark on the fact we are importing rather than exporting.

If only Zav had set-up a street stall in Karachi to sell off end of season kits.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 10:03:54
This really isn't the right thread but jeez, good luck to him, brave to make this public - hope it helps

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66187943

Quote
Everton midfielder Dele Alli says he was sexually abused when he was six years old.

In an emotional interview with former England footballer Gary Neville, Alli revealed the abused he suffered as a child before he was adopted aged 12.

He said he was "molested" aged six, started smoking aged seven and was dealing drugs at eight years old.

Alli, 27, recently spent six weeks in rehab because of a sleeping pill addiction and mental health issues.

One of football's brightest young talents, Alli was part of the England squad that reached the semi-finals of the 2018 World Cup and helped Tottenham reach the Champions League final in 2019.

However, his form dipped and he left Spurs to join Everton in February 2022 before going on a loan spell to Turkish side Besiktas last season.

Alli, who earned the last of his 37 England caps in 2019, returned to Everton at the end of last season because of injury.

"When I came back from Turkey, I found out I needed an operation and I was in a bad place mentally," he told The Overlap.

"I decided to go to a modern day rehab facility for mental health. They deal with addiction, mental health and trauma.

"I felt like it was time for me. With things like that, you can't be told to go there. You have to know and make the decision yourself or it's not going to work. I was caught in a bad cycle. I was relying on things that were doing me harm.

"I was waking up every day and I was winning the fight going into training, smiling, showing that I was happy but inside I was definitely losing the battle. It was time for me to change it."

Alli said he had come out of rehab three weeks ago and "could never have imagined how much" he would get from it as "a lot happened when I was younger that I could never understand and figure out" and it had helped him on that front.

He later talked about being "molested" at six before being "sent to Africa to learn discipline".

"At seven, I started smoking, eight I started dealing drugs," he added.

"An older person told me that they wouldn't stop a kid on a bike, so I rode around with my football, and then underneath I'd have the drugs. That was eight.

"Eleven, I was hung off a bridge by a guy from the next estate, a man.

"Twelve, I was adopted - and from then, it was like - I was adopted by an amazing family like I said, I couldn't have asked for better people to do what they'd done for me. If God created people, it was them."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 11:58:33
i think we'd miss the mark on the fact we are importing rather than exporting.

If only Zav had set-up a street stall in Karachi to sell off end of season kits.

The current home shirts look like they should probably be sold on a street stall for a fiver to be fair.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 12:14:13
Trouble at mill?

‘ Barnsley Football Club has been charged with multiple breaches of EFL Regulations.

The charges relate to the Club:

failing to provide the League with correct and/or complete information regarding the beneficial ownership of shares in the Club despite a request for such information being made by the League;
failing to provide the League with the necessary notifications regarding the ownership position at the Club;
failing to publish accurate information on the Club’s website concerning the ultimate owners of the Significant Interest in the Club;
allowing individuals to acquire a position of Control without prior clearance from the EFL; and
failing to act towards the League with the utmost good faith.
Paul Conway and Chien Lee have also been charged with causing the Club to be in breach of EFL Regulations.

The Club, Mr Conway and Mr Lee have 14 days to respond to the charges. ’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 12:34:12
Trouble at mill?

‘ Barnsley Football Club has been charged with multiple breaches of EFL Regulations.

The charges relate to the Club:

failing to provide the League with correct and/or complete information regarding the beneficial ownership of shares in the Club despite a request for such information being made by the League;
failing to provide the League with the necessary notifications regarding the ownership position at the Club;
failing to publish accurate information on the Club’s website concerning the ultimate owners of the Significant Interest in the Club;
allowing individuals to acquire a position of Control without prior clearance from the EFL; and
failing to act towards the League with the utmost good faith.
Paul Conway and Chien Lee have also been charged with causing the Club to be in breach of EFL Regulations.

The Club, Mr Conway and Mr Lee have 14 days to respond to the charges. ’

As noted in another thread about this...

This does all sound a little bit Power and Standing so what sanction they get could be interesting.... https://www.efl.com/news/2023/july/efl-statement-barnsley-fc


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 12:36:28
What the fuck has happened to those FA charges? And Power v Standing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 12:38:00
I think the whole FA side is being pushed back beyond the court case. Club have responded to their bit

as to when the case is, 🤷‍♂️


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 19:50:58
What's happened to the Ryan Giggs & Joey Barton alleged assault cases🤔


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 20:13:48
What's happened to the Ryan Giggs & Joey Barton alleged assault cases🤔

RG is due for a retrial very soon. Barton was acquitted I think?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, July 13, 2023, 20:15:17
RG is due for a retrial very soon. Barton was acquitted I think?

Cheers LL I hadn't heard anything for ages.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 16, 2023, 09:51:21
£105m for a player between English clubs. Not even a great player just a decent player.

 :no:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, July 16, 2023, 10:35:35
A lot of money, isn't it? Alternatively you could think of it as two Marc Cucurellas, which sounds like a bargain!

Supposedly the 8th highest fee of all time. A surprising amount of the Top 20 went... less than well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_association_football_transfers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 11:23:42
Not sure what thread it was on, but there was some chat about football programmes slowly being phased out of the game. I note that Crawley Town have discontinued their programme. (for the 2023/2024 season) This has caused some rightful dismay as their Player Sponsorship that was advertised specifically states will get a mention in the matchday programme.

I personally stopped buying a programme a long while back but I can remember as a kid going to my grandfather's house in Stratton and reading through his collection. (he was a Pompey fan) I would spend hours on end looking through results and statistics. (mainly looking for Swindon games to be honest) I know some people still love a programme but as with anything, I guess they have a shelf life.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 11:26:19
. I note that Crawley Town have discontinued their programme. (for the 2023/2024 season).

Are we sure they're not publishing each page of the program as an NFT?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 11:28:29
Are we sure they're not publishing each page of the program as an NFT?

I have a feeling they are fucked financially and this is all part of cost cutting. I don't really understand NFTs and don't really have any desire to!! :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, July 19, 2023, 14:56:44
Maybe resign Conroy & Gladwin😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 12:44:36
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wrexham-match-tickets-ryan-reynolds-30548219


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, July 28, 2023, 12:47:16
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wrexham-match-tickets-ryan-reynolds-30548219

Also an article about them flying to games in the National League.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 12:50:08
Also an article about them flying to games in the National League.
Really? jeez.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, July 28, 2023, 13:17:15
Pah - their local fans have had plenty of years to show they were hard core fans and show up every week, and why wouldn't you fly if you had the budget, to reduce tiredness in the players from long coach journeys?  Maybe have a pop on climate change reasons, but who gives a fuck how they travel to a match otherwise?  What I wouldn't give to have someone come and release the potential in our club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, July 28, 2023, 13:52:52
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wrexham-match-tickets-ryan-reynolds-30548219

Oh dear, trouble in ‘Paradise’?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, July 28, 2023, 13:59:15
I couldnt give a fuck about them flying to games.

Non story.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 28, 2023, 14:03:52
Just more excuses for pearl clutching really.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Friday, July 28, 2023, 14:28:42
I fucking hate Wrexham, the Millwall of north Wales, " oh their fans were so hard done by" whose fucking arent in the football league. Their fans are cunts and disney can fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, July 28, 2023, 14:50:49
I'm with Mex  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, July 28, 2023, 15:09:22
I was running those Kings of Leon shows and really really biting my tongue around their fans.  Its another bullshit fairytale ignorant mugs who aren't actually interested in football fall for.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, July 28, 2023, 16:09:01
I fucking hate Wrexham, the Millwall of north Wales, " oh their fans were so hard done by" whose fucking arent in the football league. Their fans are cunts and disney can fuck off.
Classic "Mex rant" and I fully agree."Fairytale" my arse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 09:54:06
Classic "Mex rant" and I fully agree."Fairytale" my arse
Agreed. I hated Wrexham before they became famous :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, July 29, 2023, 12:42:52
Flying to national league games = big time Charlie's😆


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 11:57:56
What Neymar earns in a day,.will take me more than 10 years to earn.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:16:52
Agreed. I hated Wrexham before they became famous :)
I have a long list of clubs that I detest for varying reasons - some of which I’ve forgotten. There are a handful of clubs that I have a liking for.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 12:21:23
I have a long list of clubs that I detest for varying reasons - some of which I’ve forgotten. There are a handful of clubs that I have a liking for.
Yes its usually one little (or big) thing that sets off a dislike or like.

I have a liking for West Ham for no reason other than I was brought up knowing they were the backbone of the 1966 (year I was born) World Cup winning team, and that they play football the right way.

I dont even look out for their results, I just have a soft spot for them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 15:31:07
I see its being reported that Man Utd are planning to keep Mason Greenwood on and start a process to reintegrate him into the team and wider club (would have started at the start of this month, but delayed 'cos of women's world cup), should be an interesting watch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 15:37:49
Yes its usually one little (or big) thing that sets off a dislike or like.

I have a liking for West Ham for no reason other than I was brought up knowing they were the backbone of the 1966 (year I was born) World Cup winning team, and that they play football the right way.

I dont even look out for their results, I just have a soft spot for them.
I look out for QPR results because my Mum bought me a reduced Easter Egg in a QPR mug (after Easter) when I was little!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:12:03
It’s started

‘ BREAKING: The Saudi Arabian football association is in talks with UEFA about having a Saudi team in the UEFA Champions League in 2025.’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:15:29
Fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:20:53
The premier league clubs and fans will hate this.
Which makes me all for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:26:34
UEFA - the Union of European Football Associations. Surely for Saudi clubs to be involved in anything, the UEFA Champions League as we know it would have to be abolished and a brand new, global club tournament would have to be launched? Its a non-starter surely? That said, money seems to talk and these guys seem to have endless pots of the stuff.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:29:28
UEFA - the Union of European Football Associations. Surely for Saudi clubs to be involved in anything, the UEFA Champions League as we know it would have to be abolished and a brand new, global club tournament would have to be launched? Its a non-starter surely? That said, money seems to talk and these guys seem to have endless pots of the stuff.

Are there not already Israeli sides in both the Champions and Europa leagues?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:31:19
I see its being reported that Man Utd are planning to keep Mason Greenwood on and start a process to reintegrate him into the team and wider club (would have started at the start of this month, but delayed 'cos of women's world cup), should be an interesting watch.

Hopefully someone gives him a career ender first game back.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 16:32:31
Are there not already Israeli sides in both the Champions and Europa leagues?

Yeah I knew that would come up. Seems Israel, Turkey and Kazakhstan are outliers that are part of UEFA. So I guess its probably more feasible than I initially thought Geographically.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 18:06:27
How long before a premier league game is played in Saudi ££££


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:21:29
Hopefully someone gives him a career ender first game back.

I think a know a Kinsella fella for the job  >:D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:49:21
It’s started

‘ BREAKING: The Saudi Arabian football association is in talks with UEFA about having a Saudi team in the UEFA Champions League in 2025.’

But surely they already compete in their own version of that tournament with the Asian Champions League?

I think this is probably just as much about UEFA not wanting to devalue their own tournament in the long run [plus a huge wedge of image rights and cash no doubt]. They couldn't possibly allow the ACL to become bigger than the UEFA ECL. Which could be a possibility if Saudi clubs continue to poach the biggest players and the Middle East effectively becomes the much suggested ''Super League'', if not by big clubs but by the personnel playing for them - under the guise of Saudi Clubs. Nope, UEFA would see it much better to negotiate and allow say one or two more^ clubs to join.

They also have a convenient political crutch to use too...Russia. They could easily expel [if not already done so] Russian clubs from competing and then say something like:

'...since the expelling of Russian sides in the ECL, we noticed the need for additional members. With Saudi Arabia now attracting some of the worlds best talent, formerly playing at European clubs, it aligned with the consistency and quality that maintains the integrity of our tournament as being the most competitive club tournament in the world. For that reason we have decide to allow membership of two Saudi Arabian clubs, starting from the 2025/26 season. In order to align further with this, the tournament will also be rebranded as the UEFA Champions Super League...'

On top of this, from a marketing and image rights perspective...there's a massive 400m+ catchment of people living in the Middle East...a figure one hundred million to the greater than whole of the USA - so of course UEFA are likely to tap into that from a TV rights POV. Especially whilst Saudi...and likely other Middle East countries are throwing seemingly endless pots of money around


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:54:34
Will be interesting when the Israeli clubs get drawn against them.
Or do they swap the Israeli clubs with the Saudi ones (who offer more money)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, August 16, 2023, 21:59:38
You can already smell the corruption when the draw is made!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 06:56:45
This would have to see them comply with FFP, the four clubs owned by the state have been gifted 17 billion between them do as they please.  Either abolish FFP completely or refuse them entry if they refuse to aline. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:08:50
Are there not already Israeli sides in both the Champions and Europa leagues?

And Eurovision!  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:11:08
And Eurovision!  ;)
FFS dont let the fucking Aussies into the Europa League too! :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 12:32:39
Hopefully someone gives him a career ender first game back.

https://twitter.com/DanielHussey2/status/1691838460712133033


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, August 17, 2023, 16:14:10
And Eurovision!  ;)

Australia get in that FFS


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, August 18, 2023, 15:01:26
Fucking hell, this is going to get messy...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F30ccbeXkAA5Yeb?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 14:05:15
Bit draconian.... https://www.swanseacity.com/news/cardiff-city-important-ticketing-information

Albeit amusingly the tickets are actually a quid cheaper than our away tickets at Morecambe, hopefully there will be less restrictions on those ones.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 14:49:27
Fucking hell, this is going to get messy...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F30ccbeXkAA5Yeb?format=jpg&name=small)

Fucking shambles how this has been handled


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 15:48:22
Bit draconian.... https://www.swanseacity.com/news/cardiff-city-important-ticketing-information

Albeit amusingly the tickets are actually a quid cheaper than our away tickets at Morecambe, hopefully there will be less restrictions on those ones.

Could be (probably are) scenarios whereby some Swans fans could be iving in or around Newport, for example, having to drive past Cardiff to get to Swansea to get a coach to and from Cardif to then have to drive back past Cardiff to get home. 

Would be the same for those of us (if I'm in the UK) Northants based Town fans having to drive straight past Oxford to do the same.

I understand the sentiment but it doesn't seem particularly fair to those who travel for home games.


Title: Re: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 16:57:49
Could be (probably are) scenarios whereby some Swans fans could be iving in or around Newport, for example, having to drive past Cardiff to get to Swansea to get a coach to and from Cardif to then have to drive back past Cardiff to get home. 

Would be the same for those of us (if I'm in the UK) Northants based Town fans having to drive straight past Oxford to do the same.

I understand the sentiment but it doesn't seem particularly fair to those who travel for home games.

I think if you read further down there is an option to address this sort of thing, albeit the process seems equally stringent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 17:30:35
Considering Swindon are at home that day and I’ll have to travel through both Swansea and Cardiff to get there, the more restrictions the better  :zipped:
But sometimes I do wonder how much these regulations have the opposite effect.

Greenwood off to Besiktas apparently.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 17:45:59
you can't be too careful with the Cardiff scum

in any case
Quote
In conjunction with South Wales Police, the club has introduced new and more stringent checks to ensure everyone wishing to attend this fixture can do so safely.
suspect bib is the underlying cause. Maybe they had intelligence.. maybe not


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 17:52:06
I think if you read further down there is an option to address this sort of thing, albeit the process seems equally stringent.

Ah, admittedly, as I assume is obvious, I didn't make it to the end.  I'm not going to go back to see the solutions offered, just ultimately hope those who really want to go can and it isn't too much hassle for them and that there's no fan trouble on the day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 1, 2023, 19:04:38
State of Luton’s pitch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, September 1, 2023, 19:12:05
State of Luton’s pitch

Got a lot of admiration for Luton.

As DRS said on twitter, they are the fairytale that everyone wants us to believe that Bournemouth are


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 1, 2023, 19:17:13
Detest the fuckers


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 1, 2023, 19:18:43
They did have to rip it up and, as mentioned in the CG thread, lay a million pounds worth of cables before installing a new pitch, hopefully just early days and it improves.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 1, 2023, 20:12:29
It’s great that Luton seemed to hit rock bottom and then go all the way to the top but with the greatest respect they are going to get absolutely mullered this season.

Like Derby points and Swindon goals conceded bad…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 1, 2023, 20:14:20
And if Adebayo is a PL player my cock’s a kipper


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 1, 2023, 20:16:28
We'd all swap with Luton wouldn't we?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 1, 2023, 20:16:31
Our record will never be beaten, those extra 4 games will always make the difference.  Goals conceded per game perhaps but we will hold the 100 record well beyond any of our demises.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 1, 2023, 20:17:25
Quote from: Wobbly Bob
We'd all swap with Luton wouldn't we?
I'm not fucking living there


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, September 1, 2023, 20:20:09
I'm not fucking living there

Well yeah, in terms of shitholes ours is much better, by a margin.

You know what I meant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, September 8, 2023, 22:46:03
I am probably going to be in the minority here...

(I may have missed this subject, sorry if so)

Maguire is in the England squad.  I really don't think it's right to go with a completely new CB partnership in a competitive game, Stones is injured, we cant be starting with 2 CB's who have no international experience so I think SlabHead is vital as an accomplished international performer as someone to intergrate the new generation into the squad.

I can see everyone moaning if we went with Marc Guehi and Colwill straight away if it didn't work out.  Maybe the future but not now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 05:00:01
I am probably going to be in the minority here...

(I may have missed this subject, sorry if so)

Maguire is in the England squad.  I really don't think it's right to go with a completely new CB partnership in a competitive game, Stones is injured, we cant be starting with 2 CB's who have no international experience so I think SlabHead is vital as an accomplished international performer as someone to intergrate the new generation into the squad.

I can see everyone moaning if we went with Marc Guehi and Colwill straight away if it didn't work out.  Maybe the future but not now.

I will sort of agree with that one.
Kalvin Phillips however  :crash:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 05:51:03
I'm surprised Man City didn't offload Phillips and buy Declan Rice before he signed for Arsenal.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 05:55:42
Football has changed massively. As have tactics. Most teams play differently.

Back in the day everyone played 442 with basic positional roles.

If you played CB at Manchester United, Arsenal, Newcastle or Aston Villa you played the same position, same role - just a different team. You could slot any two CBs together and they knew their roles, it didn’t change from their club roles and they could play together

Now England played differently to Man City who play differently to Arsenal who play differently to Palace etc. So you could play CB at Man City and be great but still not first choice for England because they set up their defence differently.

To make a long story short (too late) it’s a lot more selecting players to fit systems rather than just picking the best players. Maguire fits Englands system and has never let England down - so can full get why he’s been selected.

Definitely time he moved on from Manchester United though…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 08:50:41
He absolutely needs to move clubs, there will soon be a time when he just can't be in the England set up without regular minutes.  Once this new raft of CB's are properly intergrated the argument against his incusion is quite rightly much stronger than it is now.  Cannot for the life of me understand why he didn't go to West Ham, even on a loan deal, when the offer was on the table.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, September 9, 2023, 09:29:05
Back in the day everyone played 442 with basic positional roles.
Its 4, 4 fucking 2 with Benson and Hedges up front!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 15:56:53
Anyone bothering to watch England v Sweaties this evening? Time to ditch Southgate?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:04:01
Anyone bothering to watch England v Sweaties this evening? Time to ditch Southgate?

The DNA thinks so. Mind you he wanted Wenger out, then had a flirt with Arteta out, so..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:05:45
If Southgate was to go, there just seems to be no realistic options out there to replace him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:20:58
If Southgate was to go, there just seems to be no realistic options out there to replace him.

This is the problem, for all the success of having consistency going forward can you imagine the response if they went down the same route they went with Southgate and appointed Lee Carsley to the gig!

Whatever happens Southgate should go after the Euro's next summer, cannot see the point disrupting things before then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:28:27
Potter & Howe are the only two options at the moment. Looking further ahead maybe Rooney will become a successful league manager and be offered the job.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:30:14
Depends if the FA wants an English manager. Thank God Flynn is Welsh!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:31:21
Klopp maybe🤔


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:39:38
Potter & Howe are the only two options at the moment. Looking further ahead maybe Rooney will become a successful league manager and be offered the job.

Fuck me no, this is my point, there is no one else.

Even foreign managers, I can’t think of any realistic options.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:50:46
Fuck me no, this is my point, there is no one else.

Even foreign managers, I can’t think of any realistic options.

It's a massive problem and one the FA must be dreading.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 16:55:48
I am probably going to be in the minority here...

(I may have missed this subject, sorry if so)

Maguire is in the England squad.  I really don't think it's right to go with a completely new CB partnership in a competitive game, Stones is injured, we cant be starting with 2 CB's who have no international experience so I think SlabHead is vital as an accomplished international performer as someone to intergrate the new generation into the squad.

I can see everyone moaning if we went with Marc Guehi and Colwill straight away if it didn't work out.  Maybe the future but not now.
I'm in the same minority then. All this Maguire bashing is getting tiresome. He gets blamed for everything in some quarters. Even the other night when Rice completely  failed to track the goalscorer. What is the point in picking completely different sides every competitive game just because someone's had a couple of decent games in the Prem?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 20:53:36
Fuck me no, this is my point, there is no one else.

Even foreign managers, I can’t think of any realistic options.

My son sent me a quote the other day that  Southgate was going after the Euros in 2024, and the FA wanted Pep as his replacement. Could be bollocks but Pep’s City contract expires in the summer of 2024.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 20:58:22
My son sent me a quote the other day that  Southgate was going after the Euros in 2024, and the FA wanted Pep as his replacement. Could be bollocks but Pep’s City contract expires in the summer of 2025.

he would have the pick of world football and would be incredible to see england play football with him. sooner he fucks off from city the better


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 06:22:52
Fuck me no, this is my point, there is no one else.

Even foreign managers, I can’t think of any realistic options.

The best bet would be Mourinho.
He’d fall out with players, the press, god knows who else.
He’d probably play some mind numbingly boring football…
…but he’s always ground out result & won things everywhere he’s been (apart from Spurs)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 06:55:02
The best bet would be Mourinho.
He’d fall out with players, the press, god knows who else.
He’d probably play some mind numbingly boring football…
…but he’s always ground out result & won things everywhere he’s been (apart from Spurs)

A lot of the 'ire' of some of the England fans are that Southgate it too defensive and with an exciting group of players tends to prefer to play with the handbrake on. I can't see that going from Southgate to Mourinho would be altogether popular.

That said, you can't argue with what he has achieved as a manager. In essence I'm probably agreeing with you, but with that said, I'm not sure it would ever happen. I wonder, if for continuity sake the under 21 manager would be promoted? *checks who that is* Lee Carsley and Ashley Cole.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 07:02:56
A lot of the 'ire' of some of the England fans are that Southgate it too defensive and with an exciting group of players tends to prefer to play with the handbrake on. I can't see that going from Southgate to Mourinho would be altogether popular.

That said, you can't argue with what he has achieved as a manager. In essence I'm probably agreeing with you, but with that said, I'm not sure it would ever happen. I wonder, if for continuity sake the under 21 manager would be promoted? *checks who that is* Lee Carsley and Ashley Cole.
The interesting thing about Carsley is his U21 teams are super attacking. He goes a bit 'FIFA' and often his central midfielders are wingers or attacker's dropped deeper. It may have been isolated to their most recent tournament rather than a sustainable long term solution, but it was very vibey and fun. Doubt it would win a men's tournament mind.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:05:04
A lot of the 'ire' of some of the England fans are that Southgate it too defensive and with an exciting group of players tends to prefer to play with the handbrake on. I can't see that going from Southgate to Mourinho would be altogether popular.

That said, you can't argue with what he has achieved as a manager. In essence I'm probably agreeing with you, but with that said, I'm not sure it would ever happen. I wonder, if for continuity sake the under 21 manager would be promoted? *checks who that is* Lee Carsley and Ashley Cole.

It would not be exciting that’s for sure but I *think* people would cut Mourinho some slack on the basis he’s won a lot of trophies.

Wouldn’t we all take dour Mourinhoball to see England win a major tournament?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:08:50
Kalvin Phillips.

Why, just why does Southgate persist with him?

I read somewhere that had played more times for England the last year, than he has for Man City.

Lewis Dunk played well last night


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 09:44:47
My son sent me a quote the other day that  Southgate was going after the Euros in 2024, and the FA wanted Pep as his replacement. Could be bollocks but Pep’s City contract expires in the summer of 2024.

Considering how much Pep seems to thrive on the day to day of training players I just can't see him taking a national job until right at the end of his career (if ever!).

A lot of the 'ire' of some of the England fans are that Southgate it too defensive and with an exciting group of players tends to prefer to play with the handbrake on. I can't see that going from Southgate to Mourinho would be altogether popular.

But Mourinho is a 'name' isn't he, never underestimate the hypocrisy of a football fan.  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 11:31:10
Kalvin Phillips.

Why, just why does Southgate persist with him?

I read somewhere that had played more times for England the last year, than he has for Man City.

Lewis Dunk played well last night
To be honest, I thought Phillips was very good last night. Maybe not playing regularly for City makes him hungrier and maybe more energetic.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 11:37:12
To be honest, I thought Phillips was very good last night. Maybe not playing regularly for City makes him hungrier and maybe more energetic.

I think Phillips needs to get himself out of City, just doesn't seem to fit there and he won't stay in the England squad forever not playing.

In a different way its similar with Foden who is absolutely thriving and pushing on now De Bruyne is injured but I fear may go back to bit part once De Bruyne is fit again.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 13:50:57
On the flip side, Pep turns good players into absolute marvels.  I'm still not sold on Grealish for example, and it took him a good year to understand what was being asked of him, but I can't doubt his impact on the team these days.  Foden is similar - Pep just seems to be able to gradually invest a player everything they need to maaster their role.  Gundogan was another - a pretty damned good player, but one of the best in the world when he arrived? not likely.  Yet he looked unplayable towards the end of last season.

I actually think Phillips will be the best player he can be if he stays at Man City, soaks it up and puts in the effort.  If he doesn't, sulks a little or doesn't really invest his full attention and moves on, then he will just be what he is right now.  A good player, great engine, but not really a top world talent.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:25:52
Reading deducted another 3 points

Fucking hell, make an example of them ffs. Expel them or something.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:29:18
What were they initially deducted?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:32:39
There's an old rivalry with them waiting to be reignited!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:34:34
There's an old rivalry with them waiting to be reignited!
Swap leagues I reckon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:35:43
There's an old rivalry with them waiting to be reignited!

Not really unless you're from Hungerford/Newbury way. No more relevant to us than Forest Green, Cheltenham, Wycombe, etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:39:36
Not really unless you're from Hungerford/Newbury way. No more relevant to us than Forest Green, Cheltenham, Wycombe, etc.

They used to be in the mid 70's through the 80's when they played at Elm Park until we went seperate ways.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:43:11
‘ Reading Football Club can confirm that a suspended three-point penalty has been activated as a result of owner Mr Dai failing to deposit an amount equating to 125% of the club's monthly wage bill into a designated account by the deadline of Tuesday 12 September 2023, as ordered by the Independent Disciplinary Commission in its decision of 15 August 2023.

Last month, the club received a one-point penalty in relation to breaches of Regulation 64.7 of the EFL Regulations (relating to three instances of late payment of player wages), with a further three-point suspended penalty to be applied should the club fail to pay players' wages on time on any further occasion before 30 June 2024, or should the deposit payment fail to be paid.

The points deduction will now be applied to our League One total with immediate effect.

As communicated to our supporters previously, Mr Dai is currently undertaking an ongoing process of seeking sources of stable external investment for the football club, with the aim of mitigating the risk of cashflow complications arising in future.’

Eat Shit and Dai


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:47:17
‘ Reading Football Club can confirm that a suspended three-point penalty has been activated as a result of owner Mr Dai failing to deposit an amount equating to 125% of the club's monthly wage bill into a designated account by the deadline of Tuesday 12 September 2023, as ordered by the Independent Disciplinary Commission in its decision of 15 August 2023.

Last month, the club received a one-point penalty in relation to breaches of Regulation 64.7 of the EFL Regulations (relating to three instances of late payment of player wages), with a further three-point suspended penalty to be applied should the club fail to pay players' wages on time on any further occasion before 30 June 2024, or should the deposit payment fail to be paid.

The points deduction will now be applied to our League One total with immediate effect.

As communicated to our supporters previously, Mr Dai is currently undertaking an ongoing process of seeking sources of stable external investment for the football club, with the aim of mitigating the risk of cashflow complications arising in future.’

Eat Shit and Dai

So its not actually a new case, just a suspended deduction coming into effect for them still being shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:48:54
It does say the points deduction will be applied with immediate effect. Table shows them in a relegation spot.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 15:54:42
Eat Shit and Dai

 :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 17:10:22
Not really unless you're from Hungerford/Newbury way. No more relevant to us than Forest Green, Cheltenham, Wycombe, etc.

Or if you are an older fan, ie before the piss stains got in the league.
Back then it was Reading as the only other options were the Bristol clubs & they had each other.

The thing is being from the west of the county City & Rovers we’re more of a rival than the piss stains


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 17:17:35
Or if you are an older fan, ie before the piss stains got in the league.
Back then it was Reading as the only other options were the Bristol clubs & they had each other.

The thing is being from the west of the county City & Rovers we’re more of a rival than the piss stains

I can remember many tasty games v Reading although they never brought that many here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 18:08:56
On the flip side, Pep turns good players into absolute marvels.  I'm still not sold on Grealish for example, and it took him a good year to understand what was being asked of him, but I can't doubt his impact on the team these days.  Foden is similar - Pep just seems to be able to gradually invest a player everything they need to maaster their role.  Gundogan was another - a pretty damned good player, but one of the best in the world when he arrived? not likely.  Yet he looked unplayable towards the end of last season.

I actually think Phillips will be the best player he can be if he stays at Man City, soaks it up and puts in the effort.  If he doesn't, sulks a little or doesn't really invest his full attention and moves on, then he will just be what he is right now.  A good player, great engine, but not really a top world talent.

I see where you are coming from. Pep has always had the luxury of buying top players to sit and learn to be prepared to be ‘next man up’

Foden is 23 and KDB is 32 and keeps getting injured. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Foden take his spot next season. I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see City move KDB on particularly with the Saudi’s splashing cash on well known players. They could probably still fetch 100m for him!

Phillips is 27 and the person in front of him is Rodri who is also 27 & a much better player than Phillips. I cant foresee Man City moving Rodri on in the summer so how/where/when does Phillips get in?

Imo, he doesn’t - which for me is why he should get out. He’s had a season there, despite his minimal contributions he’s got three winners medals and his name will go down in history as part of the Man City treble winning team but unlike Foden I can’t see his path through to being a first team regular given his age and who is in front of him…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 18:22:10
I can't understand why City didn't break the bank to sign Bellingham and recouped some of the money by off loading Philips.

Imagine a team with Bellingham, Foden & Halland😳


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, September 13, 2023, 20:53:17
…because they got Rodri in CM who probably has a good 5-6 years left in him.

Now when Bellingham gets in the last year of his Madrid contract - probably a different story…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 08:05:21
Bellingham is one of a small handfull of players who wouldn't actually benefit from a move to City imo.  Take his performance vs. Scotland this week as an example, he was everywhere and he should be, he's that good, he shouldn't be tied down to such a tactics led system like Pep plays.

Positional play (https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/positional-play-football-tactics-explained-guardiola-cruyff-manchester-city/) is the exact opposite of a system to get the best from him for me, just put him on a pitch and let him go wherever he wants. 

Maybe in another 4, 5, 6 years once Pep has moved on and City play a different way but are still competing at the top table then perhaps but for now he should be allowed to express himself however he sees fit in any given moment.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 08:45:54
Phillips is 27 and the person in front of him is Rodri who is also 27 & a much better player than Phillips. I cant foresee Man City moving Rodri on in the summer so how/where/when does Phillips get in?

Imo, he doesn’t - which for me is why he should get out. He’s had a season there, despite his minimal contributions he’s got three winners medals and his name will go down in history as part of the Man City treble winning team but unlike Foden I can’t see his path through to being a first team regular given his age and who is in front of him…

This was the very point I was making re Phillips, he may develop to a degree on the training pitch at City, but in association with that development he also needs to be playing (we know from experience here what happens with players who are developed well on the training pitch but don't play games). I actually assumed he was way younger than 27, which rather exacerbates the matter even further.

Ultimately decision lies with him doesn't it, get the cash and win the medals whilst playing very little or play more and see what happens. Not the worst place to be I s'pose.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:15:02
This was the very point I was making re Phillips, he may develop to a degree on the training pitch at City, but in association with that development he also needs to be playing (we know from experience here what happens with players who are developed well on the training pitch but don't play games). I actually assumed he was way younger than 27, which rather exacerbates the matter even further.

Ultimately decision lies with him doesn't it, get the cash and win the medals whilst playing very little or play more and see what happens. Not the worst place to be I s'pose.

Exactly that - if it was me (and it clearly isn’t) I’d treat my time at City as a gap year. Barely working (playing) get a few medals. Name in history but after two years of that I think I’d get bored and want play more football somewhere else where I could be an influential player.

Plus, ultimately why would City want to keep a non playing 27/28 year old?
In the long run they’d be better off having a 19/20 year old from their youth team in that spot - who might one day actually take over from Rodri.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:30:18
I can't understand why City didn't break the bank to sign Bellingham and recouped some of the money by off loading Philips.

Imagine a team with Bellingham, Foden & Halland😳

Interestingly (and this is going off my dodgy memory so possibly wrong) City don't tend to "break the bank" in terms of individual transfer fees. 

I think i saw a graphic showing that of the top 20 transfer fees paid in PL history City were responsible for 0 of them.

Admittedly they may have made that graphic before Chelsea starting spending £100 every other week on somebody since Todd Bohley took over


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:35:34
I can't understand why City didn't break the bank to sign Bellingham and recouped some of the money by off loading Philips.

Imagine a team with Bellingham, Foden & Halland😳

Southgate would bench 2


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:55:16
Southgate would bench 2

Serious question, would you start Haaland over Kane?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 09:57:18
Interestingly (and this is going off my dodgy memory so possibly wrong) City don't tend to "break the bank" in terms of individual transfer fees.  

I think i saw a graphic showing that of the top 20 transfer fees paid in PL history City were responsible for 0 of them.

Admittedly they may have made that graphic before Chelsea starting spending £100 every other week on somebody since Todd Bohley took over

Possibly some time ago, pretty sure that Grealish would be in the top 20 if no one else?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 11:33:23
Serious question, would you start Haaland over Kane?

Every day of the week, twice.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, September 14, 2023, 19:16:14
Southgate would bench 2

You're not wrong😆


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 15, 2023, 04:56:23
The Czech version of Taylor Curran/Harry Agombar

‘ 📝 𝗗𝗘𝗔𝗟 𝗗𝗢𝗡𝗘: A 22-year-old student, who's never played football before, has been signed by third tier Czech club FK Usti nad Labem.

He's set to play in a match for the team, thanks to his father's payment of 500,000 Koruna [£17,500] in exchange for 10 minutes of playing time. 🇨🇿 ’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:53:18
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-09-17/keeper-receives-racist-abuse-online-following-premier-league-loss


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, September 17, 2023, 15:10:45
I can't understand why City didn't break the bank to sign Bellingham and recouped some of the money by off loading Philips.

Imagine a team with Bellingham, Foden & Halland😳

Could've been England.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 17, 2023, 15:12:15
Could've been England.

At least we have Kane with Bellingham and Foden when Southgate departs😆


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 18, 2023, 10:28:44
Going well.

‘ Attendances over the 5 Saudi Pro League games so far in Gameweek 6 are 5308.8 - the lowest since the start of the season. 31,114 fans need to attend the remaining 4 games otherwise aggregate attendance will be lowest of the season.’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 07:37:33
I know it’s Reading but nobody deserves this as a prospective new owner

Businessman William Storey is attending a meeting at Select Car Leasing and has interest in Reading.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 08:05:12
Gimme all your loving


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 08:12:03
Remember him from that Netflix series on F1. He did Haas up like a kipper with supposed sponsorship of his energy drink brand Rich Energy. Sniffed round Coventry and Sunderland too. Wrong ‘un.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 08:18:11
Remember him from that Netflix series on F1. He did Haas up like a kipper with supposed sponsorship of his energy drink brand Rich Energy. Sniffed round Coventry and Sunderland too. Wrong ‘un.

Should be well suited then.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 08:22:21
Gimme all your loving

Not a sharp dressed man, that's for sure.

How these turds are able to float from one ruined venture to the next is beyond me.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 14:51:06
I see the piss stains go forward a bit with their stadium move. Unfortunately, for them it will be on a leasehold basis so rent will still be paid.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:00:14
I see the piss stains go forward a bit with their stadium move. Unfortunately, for them it will be on a leasehold basis so rent will still be paid.



Probably won't go down well here, but I'm actually pleased for them as don't like fans of any club being screwed over.

That being said, to complete the legals of a lease, design, consult, get planning permission (especially when it seems to have limited local support and a shed load of local objectors) and then build/fit out is beyond ambitious so who knows what will actually happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:01:53
Current lease runs out in 2026. No idea if 3 years is a realistic timescale to get things done. Seems very short.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:10:39
Our lot will probably offer to ground share with them while its being built. Wouldn't surprise me one little bit with this lot in charge, they would sell us out for a few quid


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:10:57
I can just imagine them doing all that and sat in their new stadium, whilst we do a survey around the Stratton bank roof.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:13:06
I’d happily see them disappear


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:13:46
I can just imagine them doing all that and sat in their new stadium, whilst we do a survey around the Stratton bank roof.

Yep, said it before, i’ll believe the guff about stadium redevelopment when i actually see the shovels in the ground


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:14:34
I thought they had a legal timescale to start getting things done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:16:24
Our lot will probably offer to ground share with them while its being built. Wouldn't surprise me one little bit with this lot in charge, they would sell us out for a few quid

Are you sure? About the ground share at least 😉 As the trust own half the pitch I’m sure they could veto that. Can you imagine the carnage if that did happen and we were in the same league? Fuck meeeeeee.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:16:39
Current lease runs out in 2026. No idea if 3 years is a realistic timescale to get things done. Seems very short.

Will depend on how much they have done at risk in the background I suspect. Starting from scratch 3 years is no hope, but if they have a scheme drawn up with consultants well on with the planning submission package prep (which would have taken a commitment of a few £100K's at least) they may have a chance albeit they will need a following wind and a lot of political support I suspect. Worth bearing in mind that the planning lies in the gift of Cherwell rather than Oxford City Council?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:16:48
I thought they had a legal timescale to start getting things done.

Ditto


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:16:54
Believe so, but where do you see the money coming from?
The owner literally had to go cap in hand to others to pay a debt when he couldn't afford to do it himself


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:17:51
Are you sure? About the ground share at least 😉 As the trust own half the pitch I’m sure they could veto that. Can you imagine the carnage if that did happen and we were in the same league? Fuck meeeeeee.

Indeed, plus who is actually taking money out of the club at the moment to screw us over?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 15:23:39
Will depend on how much they have done at risk in the background I suspect. Starting from scratch 3 years is no hope, but if they have a scheme drawn up with consultants well on with the planning submission package prep (which would have taken a commitment of a few £100K's at least) they may have a chance albeit they will need a following wind and a lot of political support I suspect. Worth bearing in mind that the planning lies in the gift of Cherwell rather than Oxford City Council?

My Oxford supporting mate is of the impression that they were are already prepared for it to be passed today and stuff was already in motion to follow quickly after. I think their owners are well versed in building stadia, i think they built DC United stadium in Washington too. I think they can only use this land for a stadium too, so think that counts out pubs etc

Billionaires too, which will help somewhat im sure!

Dont think the Kidlington locals are too keen on the idea


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 17:12:31

Dont think the Kidlington locals are too keen on the idea

Although there are a few complainers there are also a lot of fans here - nearly every shop has a signed shirt up and Josh Ruffels (now at Huddersfield) was a particularly well-liked player due to being from Oxford and Kidlington.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 17:23:32
My God! All that and the poor sod had to go to Huddersfield. Life’s just not fair for some.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Laddy in Red on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 17:44:22
Obviously over the moon they've kept the 3 side theme going by purchasing a triangle but otherwise I hope it drags on for a little while at least.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 19, 2023, 17:57:38
Wtf is that constant funeral dirge from the Milan fans? Fucking annoying.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:36:15
(https://scontent.fman4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/376630756_690347936472585_5298361844000403392_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=ngeQXHeAokEAX9JZtsA&_nc_ht=scontent.fman4-2.fna&oh=00_AfCaNt7VJ3k9Xf9ZB48DnV2RpKe34v-SXrmPSv6S3IKCig&oe=650F5C0E)

Loftus Road apparently, albeit Barrow wasn't much better!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, September 20, 2023, 08:41:12
Where was that fucking crested newt from stopping us building a new stadium. I am happy to send it up the 419...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 25, 2023, 10:48:41
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/24/fa-brentford-owner-football-betting


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 25, 2023, 10:56:27
We’ve already sold 766 tickets for Reading


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:10:41
We’ve already sold 766 tickets for Reading

I suspect that as we haven't played them for over 20 years is driving ticket numbers a bit, plus it will be a new ground for many younger supporters?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:12:13
Have we ever played at the Majdeski?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:15:49
Have we ever played at the Majdeski?

Twice I reckon, one one, lost one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:24:21
went to both, 2000 and 2001. ~5k away fans if i remember rightly.

that 3-1 was a great game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:47:54
My son’s first away game was at the Madjeski, unfortunately it was the game we lost


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 25, 2023, 11:48:32
I went to the loss, think I was still in the car park a couple of hours after the game, sorry, field.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 25, 2023, 12:09:33
My son’s first away game was at the Madjeski, unfortunately it was the game we lost
Reading away in 1977 was my first ever away game a 2-2 draw in front of about 10k fans, went to Elm Park about 6 times through the 70s, 80s and 90s but never been to the Madjeski yet. Although I have stayed in a hotel right next to the ground a month ago.

For a new(ish) build stadium it looks quite good to me, about the capacity I would like the CG to have if we ever get a redevelopment done.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 25, 2023, 12:48:58
Ajax fans wrecking their own stadium after going 3 down v Feyenoord. Game abandoned.

https://x.com/centregoals/status/1705959654134895098?s=61&t=HYPly50GSEZLTKzNdaNp7Q


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 14:39:18
I see Scunthorpe are dishing out banning orders to several supporters who criticise the club and its owners online.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 14:45:06
CG would be empty on that basis!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 14:54:18
Twice I reckon, one one, lost one.

So a draw and a defeat  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 15:03:07
I see Scunthorpe are dishing out banning orders to several supporters who criticise the club and its owners online.

As did Diamandis many moons ago to me and Yeovil Red


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 15:10:11
So a draw and a defeat  :hmmm:

B'dum, tish (I couldn't find a suitable emoji!)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 16:50:42
I've never been to the madjeski. Went to elm Park a few times.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 17:16:09
Reading about to have a 3 point suspended points deduction triggered on Friday as it seems unlikely they’ll meet that deadline to pay HMRC and/or place £125,000 with the EFL that covers wages. Also another transfer window ban to add to the 3 they already have.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 17:53:52
Staggering stats. 97% of former cat 1 academy players now aged 21 to 26 never made an EPL appearance.

70% weren't handed a pro contract at an EPL or EFL club. And only 1 in 10 went on to make more than 20 league appearances in the top four tiers of English football.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 26, 2023, 17:57:19
the first stat doesn't surprise me. The rest have thought..


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 28, 2023, 11:30:24
https://x.com/sufcofficial/status/1707351157553713588?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, September 28, 2023, 11:53:38
https://x.com/sufcofficial/status/1707351157553713588?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshire/news/2113963-businessman-confirms-scunthorpe-united-is-up-for-sale

Oh and Gainsborough Trinity apparently know feck all about any groundsharing......


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, September 28, 2023, 14:10:36
All a power trip, by doing this he can say Gainsborough Trinity helped kill the club if they go under


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 29, 2023, 09:07:03
I see that Sheffield Wednesday’s owner has said pretty much the same thing as the Scunthorpe owner in refusing to further finance the club.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 29, 2023, 10:00:19
I see that Sheffield Wednesday’s owner has said pretty much the same thing as the Scunthorpe owner in refusing to further finance the club.
Hes fucking nutty as squirrel shit.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/dejphon-chansiri-slams-sheffield-wednesday-fans-in-astonishing-rant-as-owner-makes-no-more-cash-vow/ar-AA1hqQGh#image=1

Quote
"Some fans need to have more respect for owners of clubs and not be so selfish, thinking of their own benefit without doing anything good to the club. This is not acceptable and as a result I am not willing to inject more money while I am being treated unfairly by those fans."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 2, 2023, 12:44:22
I mean sometimes, words really can't express how vile some people are/can be. Sadly this kind of shit is becoming more and more prevalent. There is also a video out there of Newcastle fans mocking Man United because of the Munich Air Disaster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-66985501

Edit - oh and here's yet more people racially abusing footballers behind the 'security' of social media. If it was up to me, I'd be arranging for these people to be locked in a room with the person they are abusing and explain why they've done, or said what they have to these footballers. It's not going away is it.  >:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66984698


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, October 2, 2023, 12:48:16
There is also a video out there of Newcastle fans mocking Man United because of the Munich Air Disaster

To be fair Liverpool fans have been doing that for many years, which makes their outrage about other team’s chants about Hillsborough somewhat ironic


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 2, 2023, 12:54:42
To be fair Liverpool fans have been doing that for many years, which makes their outrage about other team’s chants about Hillsborough somewhat ironic

I know it's not what you are trying to do PR, but the culture of 'one-upmanship' that is prevalent amongst football fans really does my head in. Your absolutely right that there are some truly horrible Liverpool fans that use these tragedies against a hated rival, which is absolutely crazy given what happened to them at Hillsborough. Whoever you support, using the death of a fan/player/tragedy as some kind of weapon to abuse a rival fan is absolutely despicable and needs to stop. One week there will be an impeccable minutes's silence to observe a sad passing, the next week there will be fans of the same club(s) involved in the disgusting 'baiting'.

Football and sport in general does so much good to so many people, so why can't we get rid of this cancer surrounding the game? The more of this shite I read, the more I want to turn my back on the game for good, sadly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Monday, October 2, 2023, 17:00:43
I mean sometimes, words really can't express how vile some people are/can be. Sadly this kind of shit is becoming more and more prevalent. There is also a video out there of Newcastle fans mocking Man United because of the Munich Air Disaster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-66985501

Edit - oh and here's yet more people racially abusing footballers behind the 'security' of social media. If it was up to me, I'd be arranging for these people to be locked in a room with the person they are abusing and explain why they've done, or said what they have to these footballers. It's not going away is it.  >:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66984698

What goes through these idiots minds is a complete mystery to me. Drink neither explains or excuses it. I hope he goes to jail.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, October 3, 2023, 08:20:00
I get a bit of tasteless, inappropriate banter. A subversive laugh at things that are not funny... but to put it on Twitter? Absolute moron.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 3, 2023, 10:27:55
What goes through these idiots minds is a complete mystery to me. Drink neither explains or excuses it. I hope he goes to jail.

Its going to set one hell of a dangerous (and expensive) precedent if being an offensive obnoxious arsehole at the football comes with time at His Majesty's pleasure attached!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Tuesday, October 3, 2023, 21:42:29
Supposedly match officials in the since abandoned Orient-Lincoln game tried to restart the match while a fan was recieving CPR and the when the incident started the medics had to run around the pitch instead of straight to the stand. Match was unable to restart when other fans invaded the pitch to stop it restarting (that being something right with football). All online hearsay thus far, but doesn't look like the officials covered themselves in glory there tonight.

Bonus cunt points for sky for saying the match was abandoned due to crowd trouble.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 08:44:10
Supposedly match officials in the since abandoned Orient-Lincoln game tried to restart the match while a fan was recieving CPR and the when the incident started the medics had to run around the pitch instead of straight to the stand. Match was unable to restart when other fans invaded the pitch to stop it restarting (that being something right with football). All online hearsay thus far, but doesn't look like the officials covered themselves in glory there tonight.

Bonus cunt points for sky for saying the match was abandoned due to crowd trouble.
Wellens showed what a cunt he really is as well storming on to the pitch shouting abuse at those on the pitch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 12:01:04
it's possible he didn't have a full grasp of what was going on, the ref probably didn't either


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 12:29:14
it's possible he didn't have a full grasp of what was going on, the ref probably didn't either
Shouldn’t have got to that stage though. Something had obviously happened to make the fans go on to the pitch and Wellens should have stayed well out of it. Now he’s left with an image of him ranting at fans trying to get a game to restart whilst a fan has actually passed away. Not a good look.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 12:39:59
What do people think of the latest VAR kerfuffle(if anyone has an opinion on it)?
Is this disallowed goal thing unprecedented as Klopp claims? Or is his call for a replay justified?
Personally, I think it would be ridiculous and would lead to all sorts of spurious claims for other replays. Just Klopp being capricious as usual in my opinion


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 12:40:53
It's Liverpool. I couldn't care less  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 12:47:30
What do people think of the latest VAR kerfuffle(if anyone has an opinion on it)?
Is this disallowed goal thing unprecedented as Klopp claims? Or is his call for a replay justified?
Personally, I think it would be ridiculous and would lead to all sorts of spurious claims for other replays. Just Klopp being capricious as usual in my opinion
Klopp’s just a sick, it shows how inept the English officials are but that’s nothing new. This is no different to any other mistake that officials make and then fess up to afterwards, it’s not grounds for a replay.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 13:07:19
What has the world come to, man the fuck up and get on with it.  Makes him look a twat.  Maybe we can call for games to be replayed if one of our players makes a mistake that costs a goal?  Didn't Oliver once give a goal for Watford vs Reading when it went wide - worse has happened and will happen.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 13:30:09
Klopp’s just a sick, it shows how inept the English officials are but that’s nothing new. This is no different to any other mistake that officials make and then fess up to afterwards, it’s not grounds for a replay.
Agreed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 13:30:53
What has the world come to, man the fuck up and get on with it.  Makes him look a twat.  Maybe we can call for games to be replayed if one of our players makes a mistake that costs a goal?  Didn't Oliver once give a goal for Watford vs Reading when it went wide - worse has happened and will happen.
Also agreed. He's an annoying prat


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 13:31:57
I think it sets a dangerous precedent if they do replay it. (I don't think they will, unless Spurs offer, which they won't) The process unfortunately isn't perfect and there was an element of human error which has been made evident by the recording. Not being able to stop the game to correct that error, whilst frustrating in that it was wrong, was the correct way of following the legislation in place.

FWIW I watched that game and even without the lines drawn on the screen could see that Diaz was being played onside.

I'm with RobT here - just fucking get on with it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 13:46:21
What do people think of the latest VAR kerfuffle(if anyone has an opinion on it)?
Is this disallowed goal thing unprecedented as Klopp claims? Or is his call for a replay justified?
Personally, I think it would be ridiculous and would lead to all sorts of spurious claims for other replays. Just Klopp being capricious as usual in my opinion

All it has really shown is how shit the protocols for communication within VAR are, especially when you compare it with the clear language and terminology used in Rugby, this just seemed to be various people having a cosy chat, chatting over each other with no idea what was going on. Its part of the reason it needs to be piped into the stadia as they would all up their game with the professionalism.

Going forward little will change, the game won't be replayed, there will be acres of newspaper space accorded to it, its why the media love Klopp, he fills empty space.  


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 14:16:02
Quote
author=theakston2k link=topic=49726.msg1764986#msg1764986 date=1696409050]
Wellens showed what a cunt he really is as well storming on to the pitch shouting abuse at those on the pitch.

EFL guidelines were to carry on playing i beleive as it wasnt on the pitch


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 14:43:57
World Cup 2030 to be held in Morocco/Portugal/Spain

3 games to played in South America - Paraguay/Uruguay/Argentina - these 3 automatically qualify also

WTF?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 14:48:38
World Cup 2030 to be held in Morocco/Portugal/Spain

3 games to played in South America - Paraguay/Uruguay/Argentina - these 3 automatically qualify also

WTF?

Apparently the South American trio is to mark 100 years of the Fifa World Cup. It did seem quite random to have them hosting a game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 14:55:12
What a load of bollocks that is!

Paraguay get a free place because CONMEBOL is based there. Madness

If they are going to pull shit like this why not make all previous winners automatically qualified?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, October 4, 2023, 15:28:33
What a load of bollocks that is!

Paraguay get a free place because CONMEBOL is based there. Madness

If they are going to pull shit like this why not make all previous winners automatically qualified?

The more countries involved, the more bribes FIFA can take.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 10:17:49
Preferential treatment to Livepool here

Darren England, the VAR official who made the mistake last weekend, will not officiate Liverpool for the rest of the season.

If he is not good enough to referee one team in the league surely he isnt good enough for the others too?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 11:54:27
yup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 12:18:11
Preferential treatment to Livepool here

Darren England, the VAR official who made the mistake last weekend, will not officiate Liverpool for the rest of the season.

If he is not good enough to referee one team in the league surely he isnt good enough for the others too?

I believe its what's referred to in PR circles as 'being seen to do something'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 12:54:06
They should tell Liverpool to shut the fuck up and fuck off, give anyone ranting about it in public a ban.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 13:04:52
They should tell Liverpool to shut the fuck up and fuck off, give anyone ranting about it in public a ban.

I'd go further and implement a points deduction. 3 points for every vocal discretion. It's fucking boring hearing people from the bigger clubs wibbling on about hardships


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 13:11:23
I'm pretty sure Brighton would have qualified for the champions league if not for the couple of errors they received a similar apology to Liverpool last season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 13:15:11
I'm pretty sure Brighton would have qualified for the champions league if not for the couple of errors they received a similar apology to Liverpool last season

So it's not all bad then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, October 5, 2023, 16:43:57
They should tell Liverpool to shut the fuck up and fuck off, give anyone ranting about it in public a ban.
If only they had the bollocks


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 21:14:46
Reading being taken over by William Storey - the rich energy drink bloke


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 11, 2023, 22:57:43
Bloody hell! How’d he pass the test? That’ll teach them for the 5-0. He’s a serial bullshitter.

https://onefootball.com/id/berita/who-is-william-storey-the-man-eyeing-reading-fc-takeover-38242880

Edit. He hasn’t passed the test yet and, according to sources close to the club, is unlikely to do so.

I do hope it’s true, though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 07:51:42
Sounds like a Storey that won't have a happy ending.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 08:01:27
Bloody hell! How’d he pass the test? That’ll teach them for the 5-0. He’s a serial bullshitter.

https://onefootball.com/id/berita/who-is-william-storey-the-man-eyeing-reading-fc-takeover-38242880

Edit. He hasn’t passed the test yet and, according to sources close to the club, is unlikely to do so.

I do hope it’s true, though.

Come on, the likes of Steve Dale, Jed Mccrory and Lee Power all managed to pass!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 08:26:59
Just another serial bullshitter, be interesting to know the source of the money he has as 'energy drinks' seems to be the new dubious source, see also the bloke 'buying' Morecambe!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 08:30:50
It's obviously a one-sided article but these things all sound quite red-flaggy to me.

"In the Netflix series Drive To Survive, Haas claimed that Rich Energy were supposed to pay £59.7 million worth of sponsorship in their first season - halfway through the 2019 season though the deal was terminated by Rich Energy's side.

Storey and his company did the same thing three years later with British Superbike team OMG Racing by ending an agreement mid-season,

It was also claimed by Storey that he tried to launch a £100 million takeover of the Force India F1 team back in 2019, but that was denied as ever happening by Force India.

Storey had suggested that Rich Energy had been backed by £4 billion worth of endorsements and 90 million cans of his drink had been produced, but there is no proof of this and the fact that the company, renamed as 'Lightning Volt Ltd' was liquidated in 2021 suggests that business wasn't all as it seemed."


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 08:53:31
The stench of bullshit around this bloke is overwhelming. I hope Reading survive. Feel sorry for their fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, October 12, 2023, 09:45:28
Anyone ever seen a can of Rich Energy for sale?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 13, 2023, 06:36:08
I know it’s the sweaties but how did VAR decide on cancelling this worldie for a foul on the Spanish keeper

https://x.com/viaplaysportsuk/status/1712562690227311061?s=61&t=HYPly50GSEZLTKzNdaNp7Q


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 13, 2023, 07:20:20
On the radio they were saying UEFA clarified it was not given due to offside (15 minutes after).

The guy (sweatie) said it was a fair call, I can't watch the video at work to see, but the weirdness around it all and saying initially it was foul is very odd.

If I were a betting man I'd say they disallowed it in the VAR room, asked the ref to confirm the offside, he's thought they were disallowing for a foul and went to the monitor - and whether he thought he saw something or not the general rule is 'called over - dissallow' so he's gone with that. So right decision, wrong reason! But what do I know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Friday, October 13, 2023, 08:01:43
From the Angle behind McTom the other Jock stands near the keeper and the keeper kinda moves back. From that angle it looks like the player gives the keeper a bit of a push.

The reverse (and closer) angle shows it’s not a foul in a million years. Not convinced it’s offside either…

I don’t know how the qualifying tables look but if a positive Scottish result but Spain’s chances of qualifying in jeopardy then well who knows…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, October 13, 2023, 11:25:42
People getting in a right kerfuffle about not lighting up the arch tonight


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 13, 2023, 11:27:48
People getting in a right kerfuffle about not lighting up the arch tonight

They need to be careful, too many out there trying to gain political capital off the back of all this. I saw an MP was kicking off about Council buildings being lit up in what they claimed were Palestinian flag colours, before it was gently pointed out to them that it was to celebrate black history month and had been lit up like that for ages!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 13, 2023, 11:33:24
People getting in a right kerfuffle about not lighting up the arch tonight
Should have kept their beaks out from the outset. They lit the arch for Ukraine.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Laddy in Red on Friday, October 13, 2023, 12:16:54
Celebration of war mongering is sick in the head.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 13, 2023, 13:04:08
it's surely in consideration of innocent people who lost their lives


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 13, 2023, 13:17:56
it's surely in consideration of innocent people who lost their lives

What colours they gonna go for, considering it seems pretty neck and neck in terms of innocent numbers killed on either side whilst the dick waving goes on between the leaders of Israel and Hamas.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, October 13, 2023, 13:50:45
They should light it up with both flags and a dove of peace in the middle.
Too many people in the world living in the 12th century.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 13, 2023, 14:00:21
They should light it up with both flags and a dove of peace in the middle.
Too many people in the world living in the 12th century.

I actually really like this idea. Sadly it won't happen though.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, October 13, 2023, 14:03:21
it's surely in consideration of innocent people who lost their lives
Well,yeah I agree but I think it would be churlish to consider only one side's innocent losses.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 13, 2023, 14:05:33
I actually really like this idea. Sadly it won't happen though.

Lashing a dove to the Wembley arch would just piss off the animal rights people!  ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, October 13, 2023, 14:13:35
Lashing a dove to the Wembley arch would just piss off the animal rights people!  ;)

Probably end up with a pigeon sat there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 16, 2023, 14:06:28
https://x.com/LewishamBoroCFC/status/1713597869628809337


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, October 16, 2023, 15:16:06
First I’ve heard about this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, October 17, 2023, 06:22:06
Two Swedish fans shot dead before their game v Belgium.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 19, 2023, 11:24:08
Whoops..... https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/ireland-euro2024-qualifying-netherlands-uefa-31198916 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 23, 2023, 12:10:16
It feels like football fans using tragedies as a weapon against rivals isn't going away fast. Hibs fans at Ibrox at the weekend writing '66' on the seats in the away end in reference to the 66 who lost their lives in the Ibrox disaster and just now flicking through Twitter there is a video of Man City fans singing about Bobby Charlton being in a box.

Beyond ridiculous behaviour.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, October 23, 2023, 12:53:36
It feels like football fans using tragedies as a weapon against rivals isn't going away fast. Hibs fans at Ibrox at the weekend writing '66' on the seats in the away end in reference to the 66 who lost their lives in the Ibrox disaster and just now flicking through Twitter there is a video of Man City fans singing about Bobby Charlton being in a box.

Beyond ridiculous behaviour.

Given how far we have come in recent decades, it never ceases to amaze me just how thick we still remain as a species.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, October 23, 2023, 13:07:34
Given how far we have come in recent decades, it never ceases to amaze me just how thick we still remain as a species.

I personally believe a lot of it is down to social media. I think society has regressed as a result of the stupidisation of the young. I look at my step son and his friends and they're more homophobic, racist and misogynistic than my generation.

I find that a bit crazy as many years ago I thought the youth would grow up with more tolerance and acceptance of all the differences due to it's prevalence.

Instead they spend too much time watching brainless cunts (Andrew Tate to name but one) and have become more stupid and more American and polarised in their views.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, October 23, 2023, 13:09:57
This sort of stuff does my head in, absolutely no need for it and a total lack of respect.

Same with the youth element at games giving it large to the opposition then seeing them in tears pleading innocence when the get collared by the police


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 23, 2023, 13:22:51
I personally believe a lot of it is down to social media. I think society has regressed as a result of the stupidisation of the young. I look at my step son and his friends and they're more homophobic, racist and misogynistic than my generation.

I find that a bit crazy as many years ago I thought the youth would grow up with more tolerance and acceptance of all the differences due to it's prevalence.

Instead they spend too much time watching brainless cunts (Andrew Tate to name but one) and have become more stupid and more American and polarised in their views.

I think you might have hit the nail on the head, sadly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, October 23, 2023, 13:53:39
Whose that wrapped around the lamppost?

Come on mocking tragedies was far worse before the rise of social media. Social media is just another outlet for it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, October 23, 2023, 14:23:10
Whose that wrapped around the lamppost?

Come on mocking tragedies was far worse before the rise of social media. Social media is just another outlet for it.

Still remember the Town end singing "Harry Roberts is our friend.....".

Took me years to find out who he was, without google it wasn't as easy.

I honestly think that SM just gives the fuckwits a public voice, it was always there, it was just that most of us didn't know about it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, October 23, 2023, 14:48:41
Still remember the Town end singing "Harry Roberts is our friend.....".

Took me years to find out who he was, without google it wasn't as easy.
Yes at the time I had no idea who he was until about 10 years ago I saw a documentary on Harry Roberts, turns out he wasnt anyones friend really!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 23, 2023, 14:51:44
Come on mocking tragedies was far worse before the rise of social media. Social media is just another outlet for it.

The Man U fans didn't take kindly to JAFs goal celebration. If they'd watched MOTD past their own games they would have realised it wasn't linked to Munich.

Do think SM has emboldened some, and provided an incorrect sense of "no consequences".


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 23, 2023, 17:15:51
Steven Gerrard’s Al-Ettifaq lost to Al-Riyadh this weekend in front of 696 fans. 🏟️🇸🇦


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 15:55:36
State of this Gillingham fan. Disgusting.

https://x.com/lowertiers/status/1718278866639126844?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 15:56:54
State of this Gillingham fan. Disgusting.

https://x.com/lowertiers/status/1718278866639126844?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

Reminds me of that fat Port Vale fan on the bank in the play off game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 15:59:24
State of this Gillingham fan. Disgusting.

https://x.com/lowertiers/status/1718278866639126844?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA
He need to go back to his caravan and grow up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 16:18:00
He'll have more free time on Saturday's now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 16:29:35
Omar Bogle should have filled him in


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, October 28, 2023, 19:19:00
State of this Gillingham fan. Disgusting.

https://x.com/lowertiers/status/1718278866639126844?s=46&t=sUQ-fFgelrF5oqTmo-D8tA

Oh fucking dear. What an inexcusable specimen of ‘humanity’. Banned for life, period. Heavily fined.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, October 30, 2023, 12:32:01
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67258093


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, October 30, 2023, 16:56:19
Most Fouls Committed In League Two ❌

210 - Accrington Stanley
199 - Wimbledon
189 - Grimsby Town
176 - Doncaster Rovers
175 - Salford City
174 - Walsall
173 - Bradford City

Can’t even top this table!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, October 30, 2023, 17:00:22
Most Fouls Committed In League Two ❌

210 - Accrington Stanley
199 - Wimbledon
189 - Grimsby Town
176 - Doncaster Rovers
175 - Salford City
174 - Walsall
173 - Bradford City

Can’t even top this table!

You dirty Northern bastards.
Wimbledon being the outlier but the spirit of the Crazy Gang lives on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 08:29:41
Don’t go giving Clem any ideas

‘ Chansiri has been the subject of protests from Owls fans who want him to sell up and leave the club, but he says only if supporters stump up the £2m would they then have the right to ask him to go.
He told the Sheffield Star: "With HMRC, if we don’t pay until, say, the fifth of November, then that means it’s been 14 days, but if we don’t pay wages as well then that’s five days - that means a total of 19 days. Each issue counts separately.
“If 20,000 people gave £100 then it’s £2m, and it’d be clear - so we can finish it. That would cover everything, HMRC and the wages. That would need to be done before November 10th if they don’t want to pass the 30 days, but that means that there can be no next time.
"It’d need to be before to make it safe - if it was on the fifth then there would be 10 days left… if we were to hit 30 days then we’ll get a ban for three windows.”


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 08:34:40
Was just going to post this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 10:25:17
That is one fucking huge can o' worms there.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 11:24:02
Looks like another winter world cup in 2034 then....


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:11:55
Looks like another winter world cup in 2024 then....

Did you type the wrong date?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:17:32
2034. Saudi Arabia. Oh joy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 12:21:27
Did you type the wrong date?

Nah, I am having one on my own next year!  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 14:59:07
Sutton under umbongo for non payment to HMRC


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 31, 2023, 17:15:03
That is one fucking huge can o' worms there.
Who is going to buy Reading at full price when they can get it for a song when they go into Admin.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 13:47:48
Just goes to show that stats are misleading

Which League Two teams are the best at moving the ball into more dangerous areas of the pitch, and which teams are best at preventing the opposition from doing so? By using Expected Threat values, we can look at this!

Swindon (#stfc), #StockportCounty & Notts County (#Notts) have the highest xThreat values so far this season. Whereas Morecambe (#UTS), Harrogate (#ProudToBeTown) & #SuttonUnited have had the most difficulty in getting into more threatening positions on the field.

Defensively, #StockportCounty are the best side in the league at restricting their opponents from getting into dangerous areas, followed by Bradford (#BCAFC) & AFC Wimbledon (#afcw).

The teams that struggle the most to keep their opponents from getting into more dangerous areas are Tranmere (#trfc), Walsall (#saddlers) & Newport (#NCAFC).



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 14:36:38
How is it misleading?  We would be very high on the threat side because we were chucking players forward, especially early on.  I imagine it's less in recent weeks though.  We are also middle of the road defensively, in terms of preventing threats, but we all see with our own eyes just how porous we are when that threat is made, so we concede more than we should on the pure states side.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 14:48:24
We are also middle of the road defensively, in terms of preventing threats, but we all see with our own eyes just how porous we are when that threat is made, so we concede more than we should on the pure states side.

Our defensive woes are not helped by us having WB's who are encouraged to get forward and 2 of 3 CB's who also want to get forward at every opportunity.

There were a couple of times against Morecambe where I switched off for a moment or two talking to my mate, looked up and both UGM and FBT were on the edge of the Morecambe box leaving Brewitt with basically 2/3rds of the pitch to defend, when it works its great, but when it doesn't its a liability, I imagine for both Brewitt and the midfield its a balance of pleasure and nightmare!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 1, 2023, 15:15:16
How is it misleading?  We would be very high on the threat side because we were chucking players forward, especially early on.  I imagine it's less in recent weeks though.  We are also middle of the road defensively, in terms of preventing threats, but we all see with our own eyes just how porous we are when that threat is made, so we concede more than we should on the pure states side.
Misleading because it shows that being top of that particular stat does not translate into success.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 2, 2023, 15:56:06
Pizza Cup will now be known as the Bristol Street Motors Trophy after a change of sponsor.

The BS Cup  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, November 2, 2023, 16:25:43
Pizza Cup will now be known as the Bristol Street Motors Trophy after a change of sponsor.

The BS Cup  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Just bin the bloody thing.

Make the League Cup just L2, L1 and Championship whilst you are at it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 2, 2023, 17:23:31
Just bin the bloody thing.

Make the League Cup just L2, L1 and Championship whilst you are at it.

Plus National league and Europa League place for the winners.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 13:57:08
Arsenal U18s’ game away to Brighton today was postponed after the team bus travelled to Bournemouth instead of Brighton…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 4, 2023, 13:58:32
Arsenal U18s’ game away to Brighton today was postponed after the team bus travelled to Bournemouth instead of Brighton…

Even if the driver fucked up you would think the players and staff would realise when looking out of the window on the journey😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 16:55:10
"The Kenny" when talking about Luton's ground. Do fuck off.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 5, 2023, 19:22:54
VAR as if we didn’t already know😡


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 9, 2023, 19:28:30
Reading are currently losing around £400,000 every week.

Send for Clem!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 10, 2023, 09:04:21
Reading are currently losing around £400,000 every week.

Send for Clem!
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-14-2016/SVYnGo.gif)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, November 17, 2023, 13:53:33
Everton -10 points for FFP when clubs like Man City and Chelsea can do as they please


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 17, 2023, 13:59:45
Everton -10 points for FFP when clubs like Man City and Chelsea can do as they please

Havn't read much about it, but assume Everton haven't got the po0ckets for the delaying lawyers?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:02:01
Everton -10 points for FFP when clubs like Man City and Chelsea can do as they please

I think Man City potentially are still going to get a punishment if what I am reading in this article is accurate.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12804623/man-city-premier-league-charges-explained-what-are-they-what-could-punishment-be-whats-the-timescale

But based on Everton breaching FPP and Man City also doing the same - if not on a larger scale. They should AT LEAST be getting a 10 point penalty.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:03:22
Are punishments based on the scale of the offence or just the offence itself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:09:24
I would like an owner that is in the country more than a few weeks a year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:45:11
Havn't read much about it, but assume Everton haven't got the po0ckets for the delaying lawyers?
Tip of the iceberg

‘Burnley, Leeds and Leicester intend to sue Everton for £300m'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 17, 2023, 14:58:15
The PL seems only rivalled by the Championship in being a financial cess pit, frankly, as the supporter of a crappy lower league club, the quicker the top 10 bugger off to a ESL the better and then recalibrate the 3 leagues below + the NL accordingly.

This from Kieran M this morning was horrendous and says it all.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_IJPxLW8AANT25?format=png&name=small)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 09:52:12
I’m really confused as to why the Rice goal was ruled out in yesterday’s (turgid) England match. As long as you don’t touch the ball while in an offside position why aren’t you allowed to obscure the goalkeeper’s sight, as seems to be the reason for the goal being disallowed? What am I missing here?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 10:05:59
It's an offence to obscure the goalkeeper's view, interfering with an opponent, but not in the Vinny Jones way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 10:13:58
I’m really confused as to why the Rice goal was ruled out in yesterday’s (turgid) England match. As long as you don’t touch the ball while in an offside position why aren’t you allowed to obscure the goalkeeper’s sight, as seems to be the reason for the goal being disallowed? What am I missing here?

It's basically 'interference' with the keeper. (Not physically, clearly) In other words it disadvantages the keepers ability to see/save the ball when you have player(s) in an offside position in his 'vision'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 14:10:09
Accrington apparently hiking away ticket prices by a fiver for Wrexham today.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 14:24:09
Accrington apparently hiking away ticket prices by a fiver for Wrexham today.

Ooh, there's a thought  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 14:51:12
Category A matches it’s going all premier league😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 15:23:38
Accrington apparently hiking away ticket prices by a fiver for Wrexham today.

Tourist tax


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 18, 2023, 16:06:47
Tourist tax
Disney tax!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Friday, December 1, 2023, 09:32:01
Funny how most of this type of thing is now the work of continental fans, yet they seem to be immune from bans. Only seems to happen to England/English clubs...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67585147


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Friday, December 1, 2023, 10:16:32
Havn't read much about it, but assume Everton haven't got the po0ckets for the delaying lawyers?

Everton admitted it, the other 2 haven't


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 1, 2023, 10:24:35
Everton admitted it, the other 2 haven't

Indeed, I have also read a bit more about it, I don't think Everton helped their case by flagging up to the PL that they were potentially going to break it a couple of years back, agreeing remedial measures with the PL to ensure that they didn't, and then totally ignoring those agreed measures and continuing to spunk cash up the wall.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, December 4, 2023, 09:46:20
The demise of football banter in the stadium.

Every week chants are making the top stories. Snowflakes the lot of them.
I used to enjoy wheres your caravan to any long haired player.

Sung the sign on chant many a time.

Where is the line? I wouldn't sing about tragedies but for me appearance and club location/reputation is fair game. I cant ever remember leaving a ground upset at the thought someone said swindon was a shithole.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 10:20:17
Yeah, it’s all ‘diddums’ now. People aren’t happy if they’re not getting offended by something.

People need to grow a pair. It’s sickening to watch.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:10:11
We've got Wrexham soon, good luck with that  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:19:29
Where is the line?

Ever moving. And sooner or later some of us fail to keep up.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:23:53
The only chanting I can remember making headlines are when explicitly racist or homophobic things being chanted. I'd say neither are fine in society or stadia...I guess that's being a snowflake?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:28:13
The only chanting I can remember making headlines are when explicitly racist or homophobic things being chanted. I'd say neither are fine in society or stadia...I guess that's being a snowflake?
Also the 10 German Bombers chant.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:33:02
You're obviously only picking on the extreme stuff that nobody likes Bennett  ::)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 11:37:30
Yeah fair, maybe i'm being snarky about this claim...

Every week chants are making the top stories. Snowflakes the lot of them.

I can't see anything in the headlines other than egregious shit no one else likes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:00:43
Yeah fair, maybe i'm being snarky about this claim...

I can't see anything in the headlines other than egregious shit no one else likes

I suspect that once again its mainly certain media outlets trying to stir shit up about it to try and provoke the whole culture way shtick that is all their beloved government have left to peddle, sure in the next week it will be overtaken by 'they're banning Christmas/Christians' rage, which will then flow seamlessly into shite about Easter!

Most of the reported shit these days seems limited to Munich vs. Hillsborough chanting depending on what end of the East Lancs Road one lives at?

That said I was rater surprised to experience some of our fans deep into 'no surrender to the IRA' in that famously Fenian stronghold of Carlisle the other year.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:03:11
Yeah fair, maybe i'm being snarky about this claim...

I can't see anything in the headlines other than egregious shit no one else likes
Ok maybe not headlines in terms of newspapers but twitter is full of it.

There has been a twitter storm last week when some tiktok lad was singing feed the scousers, let them know its Christmas time. Had to come out and beg for forgiveness.

This weekend Nottingham Forest fans condemned for singing Sign Up chants to Everton fans.



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:10:34
I'm going to cry and report the next person who sings inbreds and roundabouts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:12:59
Are there songs about the magic roundabout?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:18:09
Are there songs about the magic roundabout?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtWzGyBEh64&list=RDARM8-qltIBU&start_radio=1


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:18:30
There has been a twitter storm last week when some tiktok lad was singing feed the scousers, let them know its Christmas time. Had to come out and beg for forgiveness.

This weekend Nottingham Forest fans condemned for singing Sign Up chants to Everton fans.
The lad had to or realised the context of the song and didn't agree with it?
Or may he realised that it's not socially acceptable and wanted to continue making money off his youtube?

Personally I don't think generalising Liverpudlians as being poor is ok, nor is it ok to chant that.
edit - So i would not do so.

The fact notwithstanding that every other cunting liverpool fan isn't from there anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:19:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtWzGyBEh64&list=RDARM8-qltIBU&start_radio=1
We ought not cry about that...if a club can bang that out at the CG i'd stand and applaud (assuming no drum)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 12:33:48
The lad had to or realised the context of the song and didn't agree with it?
Or may he realised that it's not socially acceptable and wanted to continue making money off his youtube?


Its all very Lawrence Fox isn't it, bleat like feck about freedom of speech whilst rather ignoring that yeah fine express your freedom to speak on Twitter but there are also thoudands of people on that platform who are similarly allowed to express their freedom to speak in noting that you are a cunt who talks shit.

I hope that lad didn't lose a lead role in Batman off his derogatory comments about scousers.  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:03:16
The lad had to or realised the context of the song and didn't agree with it?
Or may he realised that it's not socially acceptable and wanted to continue making money off his youtube?

Personally I don't think generalising Liverpudlians as being poor is ok, nor is it ok to chant that.
edit - So i would not do so.

The fact notwithstanding that every other cunting liverpool fan isn't from there anyway

This was my point in case. Banter is seemingly not acceptable. In a football stadium of fans your saying that generalising scousers as poor is not ok.

It's like saying Oxford fans have 6 fingers and everyone in Swindon are inbreds. Is it socially acceptable to want Tommy Mooney to be tied up on a piece string and then have the shit kicked out of him, no obviously, but it's a brilliant song.

Always shit on the Welsh side of the bridge, sheep shaggers. The list is endless



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:06:07
Is it socially acceptable to want Tommy Mooney to be tied up on a piece string and then have the shit kicked out of him, no obviously, but it's a brilliant song.


Originally just an Oxford fan that. Doesn't really make sense as Mooney when your grandad bought you the toy. Maybe in 30 more years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:19:21
I think banter about being inbreds etc is fine because it's just silly and not a specific stereotype. same with Mooney on a piece of string, patently stupid.
I also think the sheepshagger/welsh teams chant is alright, because that's not actually based on anything.

As with all things it's not a right/wrong, but I can't think of any other chant types as truly specific as the liverpool ones. It's based on a reality that we've grown up being told and targeted solely at them for something beyond their control (we can all agree maggie thatcher was to blame somehow)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:24:15
It's like saying Oxford fans have 6 fingers and everyone in Swindon are inbreds.

I think in those cases a pretty strong defence could be made insofar as both are factually correct?  :D ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:36:12
I think banter about being inbreds etc is fine because it's just silly and not a specific stereotype.

Every club calls their rivals inbred. Or usually online its idiots calling them 'inbread' and you have to ask what kind of bread they're in.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, December 4, 2023, 13:42:39
I think banter about being inbreds etc is fine because it's just silly and not a specific stereotype. same with Mooney on a piece of string, patently stupid.
I also think the sheepshagger/welsh teams chant is alright, because that's not actually based on anything.

As with all things it's not a right/wrong, but I can't think of any other chant types as truly specific as the liverpool ones. It's based on a reality that we've grown up being told and targeted solely at them for something beyond their control (we can all agree maggie thatcher was to blame somehow)

We could look at the does your boyfriend know your here chant when quite obviously not everyone in Brighton is gay.
Not all gillingham fans are pikey- (i think)

Football is tribal for every region and every region should have banter with another region, stereotypes or not. Normal life is different to a football stadium in that sense.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, December 4, 2023, 15:21:30
Every club calls their rivals inbred. Or usually online its idiots calling them 'inbread' and you have to ask what kind of bread they're in.

Ah Scott Murray, how we miss thee


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 4, 2023, 15:42:10
There’s no racist chanting in the UK nowadays - just individual knobheads.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Monday, December 4, 2023, 16:54:06
Every club calls their rivals inbred. Or usually online its idiots calling them 'inbread' and you have to ask what kind of bread they're in.

Maybe they mean ‘into bread’? I know I am, especially tiger bread. And I have some very nice Co-op finest sourdough crumpets at home.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:10:32
FGR have to replay their 1st round tie v Scarborough due playing a loan player without having obtained the parent club’s permission.

Barnsley were kicked out for fielding an ineligible player.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:57:25
FGR have to replay their 1st round tie v Scarborough due playing a loan player without having obtained the parent club’s permission.

Barnsley were kicked out for fielding an ineligible player.

Barnsely player was ineliigble full stop

FGR player was eligible to play, but didnt have parent club permission. Thats the difference


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:59:04
Isn’t that exactly what I posted?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 10:59:42
FGR have to replay their 1st round tie v Scarborough due playing a loan player without having obtained the parent club’s permission.

Barnsley were kicked out for fielding an ineligible player.

I thought that was odd. Seemingly whilst both infringements broke the rules, they were 2 'different' rules broken, hence the different punishment.

For me if an ineligible player plays or is named in the squad then the punishment should be consistent, regardless whether its an 'innocent' admin error or something done deliberately.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:01:34
I wasn’t really comparing the 2, just stating why each club was treated differently


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:19:16
The FA are carrying the can I think for not confirming, hence the reprieve.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:21:01
I wasn’t really comparing the 2, just stating why each club was treated differently

Yeah, I understood. Technically both players were ineligible though, and so whilst there were differences in both cases essentially neither of the players should have been involved, and for me the punishment should have been consistent.

However thems the rules I guess.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:42:09
For me if an ineligible player plays or is named in the squad then the punishment should be consistent, regardless whether its an 'innocent' admin error or something done deliberately.

But that's not what the rules say!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 11:57:00
But that's not what the rules say!

Tomayto, tomato 😀


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:44:09
Barnsely player was ineliigble full stop

FGR player was eligible to play, but didnt have parent club permission. Thats the difference

Not strictly correct, from Dale Vince...

When investigations take place and rulings get announced in football, fans are often left confused as to what actually went on - making them wonder what the hell is happening at their club.

Our recent charge came about after we failed to tell the FA that we had permission from the player's home club to be part of our FA Cup squad.  They recognised we had approval for the player - but that we had not told them, which was our mistake.  In the grand scheme of things this was an admin error, so we appreciate the FA's acceptance of what happened and their judgement.

The FA ruled that @safc will keep all the money from the gate for this replay, as is right - and we don’t get travel or accommodation expenses (which are normal). Hopefully this means something good can come from this.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 14:47:19
If that's *it* the only surprise is that it doesn't happen more often. Shocked to hear every other football club is on top of that admin (not least er... ours)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 15:01:52
The rules are clear:
Quote
A player on a domestic temporary (loan) transfer (including a player on loan either to
or from a Welsh Club that competes in the Competition in the current season) is
ineligible to compete in the Challenge Cup Competition unless permission to do so is
given by the lending Club in writing (which, for the avoidance of doubt, can include
appropriate wording and/or the completion of tick boxes in any loan form) and a copy
is received by The Association by the Registration Deadline for that round. Any
permissions must clearly state that the player has approval to play in The FA Challenge
Cup Competition. A player who is registered on a Scholarship for work experience may
play for another Club, subject to written permission being given by the Club that he is
registered to and provided that such permission is received by The Association by the
Registration Deadline for that round.

And the punishment is clear, though a little subjective on "could not reasonably have known", but common sense prevails:

Quote
However, where the club satisfies the Professional Game Board that the club (or any of its
officers) did not know and could not reasonably have known, even had it made every
reasonable enquiry (with the exercise of the utmost caution), that the player was ineligible,
the club shall not be removed from the Competition but may still be subject to any other
penalty. (e.g. fine, ordered to replay the match)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 15:19:14
Every day is a school day.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 18:56:47
The FA Cup third round TV picks are dreadful this year


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 19:44:53
The FA Cup third round TV picks are dreadful this year
Aah,the "magic of the FA Cup"! I'm surprised they managed to slip a couple of championship teams in there! What's that the 100th successive Manchester United tie to be televised?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 19:48:20
The FA Cup third round TV picks are dreadful this year

The problem is that the BBC & ITV don’t get to show live PL games, so when they get live football they always pick the games of the big (fan base) teams


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Lemis on Thursday, December 7, 2023, 22:09:08
The problem is that the BBC & ITV don’t get to show live PL games, so when they get live football they always pick the games of the big (fan base) teams

Yeah fully understand that, should be on the FA to ensure that games get shown across the divisions when they offer the deals out. Unfortunately it's just dull watching the same teams getting selected season after season


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, December 8, 2023, 09:50:36
Palace/Everton & Spurs/Burnley are very dull choices but the other 4 games are fair enough.

In all fairness there aren't any other League 1/2 teams at home to PL teams as far as i can see, those sort of games would have been picked.  The non league teams all have shit draws (Watford v Chesterfield on the box? no thanks, not for me)

It was a pretty crap 3rd round draw in general



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 8, 2023, 09:56:16
Palace/Everton & Spurs/Burnley are very dull choices but the other 4 games are fair enough.

In all fairness there aren't any other League 1/2 teams at home to PL teams as far as i can see, those sort of games would have been picked.  The non league teams all have shit draws (Watford v Chesterfield on the box? no thanks, not for me)

It was a pretty crap 3rd round draw in general



Global fanbase/interest in these clubs I can only think is what the television companies are thinking with these games. On paper absolutely bland games for the neutral.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, December 8, 2023, 09:57:54

It was a pretty crap 3rd round draw in general


Agreed, clearly the best two games are Arsenal v Liverpool & Sunderland v Newcastle with are both on TV.

Man Utd at Wigan is another obvious choice beyond that it’s all a bit meh.

I guess if Leeds were still in the PL their game at Peterborough may be another game chosen


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, December 8, 2023, 10:00:37
Global fanbase/interest in these clubs I can only think is what the television companies are thinking with these games. On paper absolutely bland games for the neutral.

Quite and that is logical thinking if you are the TV Exec, if there isn't an obvious choice with wide appeal to neutrals then next option is look at fan base size to get the viewing figures instead


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 12:54:29
Barrow v Gills - off


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, December 8, 2023, 12:59:03
A 2pm call off tomorrow would have been better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 8, 2023, 14:11:29
A 2pm call off tomorrow would have been better.
Its ok the caravan train had already reached Manchester!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, December 8, 2023, 14:34:52
Barrow v Gills - off
I don't understand why that's wrong?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 14:51:47
It’s not. But where would you put it?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, December 8, 2023, 15:38:16
Tonight Im off to see Al Nasser (or al team that ronaldo plays for) against Al Riyadh (or Al team that, erm, Andre Gray plays for). 

I put it in the whats wrong with football as I am ashamed of myself but I am very very bored.  Its about £18 a ticket. 

Its the equivalent of Man City Vs Luton.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 8, 2023, 15:39:53
Where are you going for a beer beforehand? Is there a Spoons nearby?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, December 8, 2023, 15:40:05
It’s not. But where would you put it?
I probably wouldn't put it anywhere!  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, December 8, 2023, 15:59:22
Where are you going for a beer beforehand? Is there a Spoons nearby?

The range of alcohol free is pretty impressive round these part so I might have a cheeky non alcohol pale ale.  Mind you Im driving which is fucking terrifying in this city.  Very much need to keep my wits about me.  So Im probably not even sniffing anything that seems like beer.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 8, 2023, 16:06:15
Mind you Im driving which is fucking terrifying in this city.  Very much need to keep my wits about me. 
A bit like the Peoples Republic of Chippenham then!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 07:30:11
So my Saudi pro league visit.  Weird experience that.  Good stadium.  Clearly trying to ape the crazy football experience of some of the more rabid fanbase.  17 and a half thousand including probably 500 'away' fans (Well it was 2 Riyadh teams but driving across this shitty city probably takes about as long as driving from Swindon to Reading)

Quality of football.  Well.  It wasn't good.  It was attack versus defence.  Ronaldo was walking for most of the game but that was fine as the locals cheered him for breathing.  Im sure his ego is very much bolstered by the adoration.  Personally Ive always hated him but I probably would have got lynched if I stood up and called him a wanker.  Mane seemed to make a bit of an effort.  Andre Gray was clearly not enjoying playing with a pretty poor team.  Im sure the paycheck and being married to a little mix helps soothe his worries.

The yellow and blue made me feel very uncomfortable.

Unless they buy a raft of ex town players I don't think Ill be going again.  Mind you given the standard of football I reckon Don Rogers has still got a role out here.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 07:55:34
Nice review mate.

I watched a match of the day style programme last week on bein sports last week and it does seem to be attack v defence basketball style gav gunning football, crowds looked full and there were flares going off and all sorts.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 11:02:30
Never quite got why Ronaldo was getting booed on camera at the boxing few weeks back, fans of the other side I guess?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 11:52:20
Complete gibberish, the blokes an imbecile of gigantic proportions.

https://twitter.com/Joey7Barton/status/1733427897937940956?t=ahmYD_JYCz2j5eIeOqQ1Ww&s=19


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 15:17:39
Never quite got why Ronaldo was getting booed on camera at the boxing few weeks back, fans of the other side I guess?

Are you sure it wasnt siuuuuuuu 🤷‍♂️ often sounds like a boo!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 9, 2023, 17:37:03
Are you sure it wasnt siuuuuuuu 🤷‍♂️ often sounds like a boo!

Pretty sure. He didn't look impressed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 10:36:42
Manchester United 0 - 3 AFC Bournemouth

Ok, so who remembers chipping in when the buckets were out?

No way of predicting how things would pan out for us & them over the following 25 years or so, particulalry in the days before the advent of mega rich owners.

Even when we did have a wealthy owner the foundations were built on sand.

Anyway, there is always this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMsdOkNJmu0


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 15:04:53
I absolutely do remember chucking into their bucket at the CG. Resented it over the past few years!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, December 10, 2023, 15:41:32
And Brighton. Nobody really gives a fuck when we're in the shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 11, 2023, 09:01:03
I absolutely do remember chucking into their bucket at the CG. Resented it over the past few years!

This is a glass half full/half empty thing - you can resent Bournemouth's success (not unreasonably), or you can laugh at Man Utd 3-0 losing to a team we took four points off when we were last in the same division ten years ago!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bennett on Monday, December 11, 2023, 15:01:57
Good response by Everton
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67682536

(Posted in here purely because it was a discussion point previously)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 01:17:53
Oops  :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67688071


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 09:06:16
Oops  :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67688071

Given how behaviour in society in general appears to be going backwards, I guess it was only a matter of time before a top class referee was attacked. Not surprising it was in Turkey in all honesty.

Personally, (and I will be in the minority i'm sure) I find the blaming of referees all too easy in the modern game. We've seen attacks in Sunday league games and it was only a matter of time before it boiled over. It wouldn't surprise me if referees went on strike before long. Criticism of course comes part and parcel as they are always going to make mistakes, but there also needs to be proper respect shown to them.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 09:25:05
Given how behaviour in society in general appears to be going backwards, I guess it was only a matter of time before a top class referee was attacked. Not surprising it was in Turkey in all honesty.

Personally, (and I will be in the minority i'm sure) I find the blaming of referees all too easy in the modern game. We've seen attacks in Sunday league games and it was only a matter of time before it boiled over. It wouldn't surprise me if referees went on strike before long. Criticism of course comes part and parcel as they are always going to make mistakes, but there also needs to be proper respect shown to them.

I'd fully support a ref strike. I think the way they are treated in the upper echelons of the game is disgusting. If football players berated themselves or each other each time they made a mistake in a game of football there would be no football, but its ok to abuse a referee when they make a mistake? Its something that has to stop.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 09:26:34
I'd fully support a ref strike. I think the way they are treated in the upper echelons of the game is disgusting. If football players berated themselves or each other each time they made a mistake in a game of football there would be no football, but its ok to abuse a referee when they make a mistake? Its something that has to stop.

Well said Qunk, I am in full agreement.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 09:34:37
Haaland missed an open goal last week against I think it was Spurs, but then went crazy at the referee for not allowing an advantage when Grealish was in on goal.

No one has mentioned Haalands miss, just the ref’s decision - which is actually his prerogative if he wants to allow the advantage.
 
The way players and managers treat them is a disgrace.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 09:42:01
I hate to be "that guy", but it happens far less in rugby culturally and through the rules.

There will always be some degree of dissent of course. You lay down the law, and start dishing out reds and retrospective citing bans for referees and it stops from players. You have to do it consistently and permanently (rather than the normal 6 weeks).

The framework doesn't help, referees rarely give any kind of feedback on decisions and why they are given.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 10:06:20
I hate to be "that guy", but it happens far less in rugby culturally and through the rules.

There will always be some degree of dissent of course. You lay down the law, and start dishing out reds and retrospective citing bans for referees and it stops from players. You have to do it consistently and permanently (rather than the normal 6 weeks).

The framework doesn't help, referees rarely give any kind of feedback on decisions and why they are given.

I actually watch a lot more rugby than I used to do and I love the fact that it's an absolutely brutally aggressive sport, but the referee in general is respected and I think is often called 'Sir' by the players. Obviously the video is very important in rugby also to make sure decisions are accurate but on the whole the man in charge lays down the letter of the law and his decision, almost all of the time is respected.

I think you are right Batch about the framework. Often football referees are seen as arrogant and simply won't explain their decisions to players. I think if there was more explanation, perhaps to the captains then players might not be so hot headed towards the man in the middle? 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 10:33:17
The mildly interesting thing is that Rugby Union is currently having something of an existential crisis about an increase in the abuse of refs - not on field, but after games in the media/online. Several active refs have basically said they've had enough of the whole thing and quit, which has led to a lot of reflection.

I honestly don't know why anyone would choose to be a football referee. There's not an amount of money you could pay me to make me want that job, and most of these people do it for absolute buttons (the Prem refs do okay, but still not that well off I don't think, but most below that level are part time).

There's an interesting psychological thing about ref mistakes - a player misses a chance or loses their man from a corner, they generally get brushed over. A ref misses a penalty in a split second, it's a huge conspiracy against your club and they should be nailed to the nearest cross. It's a weird one. Especially at our level where the players aren't very good, we seem constantly surprised that the refs aren't very good either.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 11:31:08
And Brighton. Nobody really gives a fuck when we're in the shit.

Brighton offered us a fair bit of support around the time of diamandis, I remember a fair few of them wearing orange hats on the bank too


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 11:36:10
Brighton offered us a fair bit of support around the time of diamandis, I remember a fair few of them wearing orange hats on the bank too

Ah fair play. Don't remember that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 11:39:18
They actually gave us loads of advice having recently dealt with beloti/gilliingham/goldstone. still cunts for the play offs though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 11:41:30
They actually gave us loads of advice having recently dealt with beloti/gilliingham/goldstone. still cunts for the play offs though

I ended up being invited onto the Albion roar their radio show - the first ever away fan, they were genuine decent fans in the main and had been through the mill, i still speak to them now and then,  they cant believe they are now playing in amsterdam etc, living every lower league football fans dream


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 13:05:07
On the ref front, if the clubs really wanted it bad enough, good refs, then they should expect them to be as professional as their average player at least.  So, every club should pay a Ref Tax equal to the mean or median salary of their first team squad which should be used to fund refs wages for that division.

I loved the change earlier this season of dishing out yellows at eh merest hint of running towards the ref - the two players being booked for Crewe being a highlight as you could see it coming, and so could one of their players who was going to go then tried to put the brakes on and stop the others but the barreled past him.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 14:03:01
I'd fully support a ref strike. I think the way they are treated in the upper echelons of the game is disgusting.

Its really not just the upper echelons, its everywhere, our lass played a season in under 10's girls football (before she thankfully decided to sack it off for other things) and some of the parents and managers in that were ridiculous (including one coach who had a fecking white board for half time!!) exacerbated even more by the refs who people were being cunts to in the main being kids themselves!

I hate to be "that guy", but it happens far less in rugby culturally and through the rules.


I wonder whether micing up the refs might help a bit, being heard to call somebody a cunt might calm some of the more self aware players and managers down, similarly the whole sin bin thing might provide an easy way to deal with dissent and general cuntyness from players.

I think you are right Batch about the framework. Often football referees are seen as arrogant and simply won't explain their decisions to players. I think if there was more explanation, perhaps to the captains then players might not be so hot headed towards the man in the middle? 

Its really not helped by many of our most respected pundits not having a fucking clue about the rules and the way they are interpreted. Case in point was Shearer on the Rest is Football whining about the ref's decision for the late hand ball penalty in the Newcastle PSG game, yes it was a ridiculous decision and yes it wouldn't be given in the PL as they interpret the hand ball rule differently there, but it entirely reflected the way UEFA tell referee's to interpret the rules and thus was hand ball!

So, every club should pay a Ref Tax equal to the mean or median salary of their first team squad which should be used to fund refs wages for that division.

Nice idea, but not sure paying more would make much difference, as with most jobs high pay doesn't necessarily give you high quality, plus you would just have people like Shearer banging on about it needing to be former players!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 14:26:11
I wasn't suggesting it would actually change the level of talent at the top end, at least not overnight.  It would attract more people to get into the job though, and maybe improve the lower levels.

The real reason for suggesting is more the fact that top level clubs seem content to bash them in the media when their much higher earning talent makes plenty more fuck ups deserving of public criticism by the Managers.  If they won't do that (which they won't and they shouldn't), then shut the fuck up about some poor people doing a fucking difficult job.  if you are going to lambast them, at least make it worth their while.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends Lounge Lovechild on Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 15:08:51
I wasn't suggesting it would actually change the level of talent at the top end, at least not overnight.  It would attract more people to get into the job though, and maybe improve the lower levels.

The real reason for suggesting is more the fact that top level clubs seem content to bash them in the media when their much higher earning talent makes plenty more fuck ups deserving of public criticism by the Managers.  If they won't do that (which they won't and they shouldn't), then shut the fuck up about some poor people doing a fucking difficult job.  if you are going to lambast them, at least make it worth their while.
agree with everythign there apart from sayingc"some poor people"
think that might be correct in relative terms to pro football players but pro level refs arnt poor relative to the poor man on the street
i dont know what poor might be to you or anyone else and what the gov says it is prob isnt worth listenign too
for me i think a prem level ref isnt poor unless they have an unhealhty drink/drugs habit, a champ one prob isnt too bad of eiver
league one and two refs prob make 300 per game  today but i think all pro refs get a retainer on top of that but you were talking about top level maybe you meant all four pro divisoins or just prem n champ?
abyway heres an articel on pro refs its f6 years oldbut that will only mean they earn more now
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-much-referees-england-earn-14343911?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 15, 2023, 10:29:30
It looks like a concentration camp how an earth is that allowed🤔


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 12:58:36
In archives released, Tony Blair was trying to get Wimbledon to relocate to Belfast before they moved to MK.

Great away day that would have been!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, December 28, 2023, 17:24:53
So it was.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 1, 2024, 11:52:58
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25190083/wrexham-news-reynolds-mcelhenney-money-gamble/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 1, 2024, 11:59:27
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25190083/wrexham-news-reynolds-mcelhenney-money-gamble/

Sun links don't work.
Must be a rogue admin in the house. :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, January 1, 2024, 12:18:42
Doesn’t really tell you much TBH.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Monday, January 1, 2024, 12:37:58
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25190083/wrexham-news-reynolds-mcelhenney-money-gamble/

I see they have just given Paul Mullin and Elliott Lee a bumper contract extension for another 3 years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, January 1, 2024, 21:54:27
The little prick through on goal for Liverpool v Newcastle tonight, taking it round the keeper and choosing to dive instead of playing on and trying to score a goal, which had a good chance of doing...of course he was rewarded by the penalty being given...

What sort of mentality is that? It makes me sick and is one of many reasons why I have pretty much fallen out of love with football over the last few years...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 10:01:27
Pre recorded fairwell messages from departing loanees.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 10:05:10
Pre recorded fairwell messages from departing loanees.

Agreed. Absolutely tinpot and only ever going to be a lightning rod for negativity on social media. Another comms disasterclass.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 2, 2024, 10:13:49
Pre recorded fairwell messages from departing loanees.

Not needed. They did their jobs (brilliantly) but the players are no longer ours and I'm sure they won't give Swindon much thought in 6 months.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 10:17:26
The little prick through on goal for Liverpool v Newcastle tonight, taking it round the keeper and choosing to dive instead of playing on and trying to score a goal, which had a good chance of doing...of course he was rewarded by the penalty being given...

What sort of mentality is that? It makes me sick and is one of many reasons why I have pretty much fallen out of love with football over the last few years...
Not defending it, it was pathetic to watch but maybe the "mentality" is we get a pen and the keeper gets a red".
🤷‍♂️


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:17:54
Not defending it, it was pathetic to watch but maybe the "mentality" is we get a pen and the keeper gets a red".
🤷‍♂️

VAR hasn't helped. Strikers have always been coached that if you feel contact go down.  Now with VAR where they know that any challenge is going to be looked at very closely and they only really have to prove that contact was made.  It was a pen, but it also was a dive, and made no sense as to why he didn't just put it in, apart from to trigger the double jeopardy rule.

The point is, we should fix the laws before we put it on the players that have been coached that way for years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 11:57:09
Not defending it, it was pathetic to watch but maybe the "mentality" is we get a pen and the keeper gets a red".
🤷‍♂️

The mentality should be "I can score here, l'm going to keep going" but that doesn't even enter the player's head any more...



The point is, we should fix the laws before we put it on the players that have been coached that way for years
True...but it won't happen of course as it's systemically ingrained into the game and as you say, that's what players are coached to do. And it's endorsed by pundits  (ex players no less) saying things like "I'm not saying he should dive, but if he's felt contact he should go down"....Jesus wept, that is describing exactly what the process of diving is...they even criticise players if they don't do it...and you've now got a whole generation of fans who accept all that crap.

The game is so far removed from what I fell in love with so many years ago...I'm sure most of us have had someone who isn't interested in football say to us at some point, "I don't see the point in football, it's just 22 men kicking a ball around"...you smile and nod and think "you haven't got a clue, there is SO much more to it than that"....but I hate to say, I'm almost getting to that stage myself now...that applies to football in general and (which is really sad) STFC in particular...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:33:48
Newport away brought forward to 12.45, like last year  :doh:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 12:48:05
The mentality should be "I can score here, l'm going to keep going" but that doesn't even enter the player's head any more...

True...but it won't happen of course as it's systemically ingrained into the game and as you say, that's what players are coached to do. And it's endorsed by pundits  (ex players no less) saying things like "I'm not saying he should dive, but if he's felt contact he should go down"....Jesus wept, that is describing exactly what the process of diving is...they even criticise players if they don't do it...and you've now got a whole generation of fans who accept all that crap.

The game is so far removed from what I fell in love with so many years ago...I'm sure most of us have had someone who isn't interested in football say to us at some point, "I don't see the point in football, it's just 22 men kicking a ball around"...you smile and nod and think "you haven't got a clue, there is SO much more to it than that"....but I hate to say, I'm almost getting to that stage myself now...that applies to football in general and (which is really sad) STFC in particular...

It's not just the pundits and coaches though, how many times have we as fans sat in the stand and said "why didn't he go down?" The game has moved on from what it was 30, 20 even 10 years ago, and we have all seen it coming - we were all saying over the past few years that eventually it's going to turn into a non-contact sport, but VAR (in it's current form in the Prem) has speeded that process up.  Until they fix that, then these things are going to continue to get worse, this season has proved that.  All post match interviews now are about Arteta moaning about a ball going out of play, Klopp moaning about an offside, Pep moaning about a foul.  VAR stinks currently, needs to go back to it's original form when it was trialed at the World Cup.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 14:59:10
Sums us up perfectly.

‘ Biggest underachievers

Oldham, who currently play in the National League, are England's biggest underachievers and languish 54 places below their 50-year average ranking after suffering relegation from the Football League for the first time in 115 years in 2021/22, followed by Southend and Scunthorpe (both -41).

Oldham last appeared in England's top division in 1994, when they also reached the FA Cup semi-finals
Other serious underachievers include Torquay (-35), Swindon (-32), Yeovil (-28), Charlton (-27), Hartlepool (-26) and Derby (-25).’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:10:12
What about Bristol City🤔


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:19:10
If you mean because of the size of Bristol then yes they are underachieving but in relation to their position over the last 30 years or so then no they aren't underachieving.

Oldham have had it really bad, no promotion since they made it into the old Div 1, so 30+ years and haven't had a top half finish in any league for about 20 odd seasons (from memory) 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 4, 2024, 15:25:59
Yeah Bristol as a whole has to be one of the most underachieving footballing cities in the world.

Bristol is three quarters of a million people, top club has a rich owner spunking millions, not played in the top flight in forever and never won fuck all.

Who else even competes?

Maybe New York City before a few years ago had never had a team win an MLS, but now they have and the Cosmos had one 5 titles in the previous American league.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 5, 2024, 08:41:30
Not sure which thread this should go in! Imagine if they did it for Oxford or City..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67887975


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Friday, January 5, 2024, 09:16:16
Be the sort of thing this lot in charge would do tbh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, January 5, 2024, 09:26:54
I’m sure Brighton used to do something similar for travelling fans, albeit the away sections were setup to do so.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 5, 2024, 10:20:26
I’m sure Brighton used to do something similar for travelling fans, albeit the away sections were setup to do so.

+ a case of the away teams local beer in the away dressing room IIRC.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 21:23:04
Harrogate v Donny today attendance 1,017.

Can that be right?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 21:28:09
I would say it is as I’ve got the same on two different sites.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 6, 2024, 22:05:45
3137 at Harrogate for their derby

https://twitter.com/HarrogateTown/status/1743658198882537761?t=4JSqPpffEEgiHoR9RqWhyA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/HarrogateTown/status/1743658198882537761?t=4JSqPpffEEgiHoR9RqWhyA&s=19)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:07:12
Not sure if this is the right place…Watching Arse vs L’pool: Utter rubbish…..

Oh! L’pool just scored!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:10:29
Arsenal playing in White at home is just confusing😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:16:51
Having said that, L’pool can defend. Amazing to see that it is possible!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:26:13
Not sure if this is the right place…Watching Arse vs L’pool: Utter rubbish…..

Oh! L’pool just scored!

Interesting statement, I thought it was a great game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:30:20
Having said that, L’pool can defend. Amazing to see that it is possible!

So frustrating watching a team like Liverpool not only be content on holding a 1-0 lead in stoppage time but still go on attack and grab a second to kill off the game. Meanwhile all season we’ve pissed about in stoppage time giving away numerous goals.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 7, 2024, 18:36:13
Defend in numbers, attack in numbers….masterclass take note Mr Flynn


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, January 8, 2024, 00:21:14
We’ve got another 19 games left! 🫨


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, January 8, 2024, 09:37:56
Interesting statement, I thought it was a great game.

Agreed, even if that would have ended 0-0, it was a great tactical game to watch, fascinating.  So many of the games with the top sides tend to be either boring stalemates or a complete walkovers - this was a brilliant game by two good teams playing great football IMO


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 8, 2024, 09:56:39
Agreed, even if that would have ended 0-0, it was a great tactical game to watch, fascinating.  So many of the games with the top sides tend to be either boring stalemates or a complete walkovers - this was a brilliant game by two good teams playing great football IMO

Glad it wasn't just me :) I watch very few non-Swindon games these days, but I thought I'd give it a go yesterday. As you say even though there were no goals, it was played in a good, quick tempo with both sides going for it. Saka had a bit of an off day and Arsenal were shocking in front of goal. It was also good to have a game not being interrupted by VAR. Fair play to Liverpool in the second minute of injury time to create their second rather than Alisson holding onto the ball for ages to waste time - with that said, in a league game I suspect that's what he might have done however.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:17:16
I thought Arsenal were huffing and puffing (with slow, deliberate build ups) but their forwards were dallying too long, taking too long and wasting chance after chance. Liverpool were just 'not playing' and sitting back soaking up pressure. It sort of reminded me of the NBA (which I hate) where the majority of the game is irrelevant and drifts by. Then the 'real' game starts in the last few mins as the better team usually steps it up a gear and triumphs. I find that all a bit dull.

When Liverpool finally decided to play, ie when they scored their first (in the middle of my post), it got more interesting. As both team then started playing.

If either team had been Swindon, I would have seen it differently, but I didn't care who won.

I did notice (and admire) that those players could do things that ours can't - find players with passes in tight situations, control the ball, move the ball quickly and most impressively, defend properly!

But I just don't like killing the game and compressing it to the last few mins. I hope that makes sense?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:18:27
Arsenal playing in White at home is just confusing😁
Especially with white numbers!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:28:22
I thought Arsenal were huffing and puffing (with slow, deliberate build ups) but their forwards were dallying too long, taking too long and wasting chance after chance. Liverpool were just 'not playing' and sitting back soaking up pressure. It sort of reminded me of the NBA (which I hate) where the majority of the game is irrelevant and drifts by. Then the 'real' game starts in the last few mins as the better team usually steps it up a gear and triumphs. I find that all a bit dull.

When Liverpool finally decided to play, ie when they scored their first (in the middle of my post), it got more interesting. As both team then started playing.

If either team had been Swindon, I would have seen it differently, but I didn't care who won.

I did notice (and admire) that those players could do things that ours can't - find players with passes in tight situations, control the ball, move the ball quickly and most impressively, defend properly!

But I just don't like killing the game and compressing it to the last few mins. I hope that makes sense?
It does make sense but Asenal had 20 shots at goal in the first half alone and both teams hit the bar. I thought it was a great 90 mins of football personally but we all see games differently.

How bloody good is Trent Alexander Arnold though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:33:40
I thought Arsenal were huffing and puffing (with slow, deliberate build ups) but their forwards were dallying too long, taking too long and wasting chance after chance. Liverpool were just 'not playing' and sitting back soaking up pressure. It sort of reminded me of the NBA (which I hate) where the majority of the game is irrelevant and drifts by. Then the 'real' game starts in the last few mins as the better team usually steps it up a gear and triumphs. I find that all a bit dull.

When Liverpool finally decided to play, ie when they scored their first (in the middle of my post), it got more interesting. As both team then started playing.

If either team had been Swindon, I would have seen it differently, but I didn't care who won.

I did notice (and admire) that those players could do things that ours can't - find players with passes in tight situations, control the ball, move the ball quickly and most impressively, defend properly!

But I just don't like killing the game and compressing it to the last few mins. I hope that makes sense?

NMH - We all see games differently, that's the beauty of it, and this forum really. To be honest, I hadn't really thought about Liverpool soaking up pressure, but now you mention it I do see where you are coming from. I guess without their spine - Van Dijk, Szobozlai (I've almost certainly spelled that wrong) and Salah I guess Klopp had to set them up in such a way to play with the handbrake on a bit more. That seemed to change in the second half, especially as Arsenal were giving up chance after chance.

Your highlighted point is spot on, some of the close control and quick, incisive passing is just on a different level to what we see isn't it?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:35:02
It does make sense but Asenal had 20 shots at goal in the first half alone and both teams hit the bar. I thought it was a great 90 mins of football personally but we all see games differently.

How bloody good is Trent Alexander Arnold though

His passing range/ability reminds me of Hoddle a little bit. Different type of players of course, but his striking of the ball technique is just so 'pure'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, January 8, 2024, 10:55:11
Funny, I remember a 5-10 minute spell when Trent Alexander Arnold was defending like Hutton and getting roasted! Then, the defence started to double up on the Arsenal left winger and snuff out the threat. Our defence should take note!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 8, 2024, 11:56:18
It's true he was but we all know he isn't a right back but they tactically play to his strenghs. Now i am not saying Hutton is on that level but it is exactly what we should be doing but unfortunately the ones covering are as shit defending as he is


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, January 8, 2024, 12:04:51
It's true he was but we all know he isn't a right back but they tactically play to his strenghs. Now i am not saying Hutton is on that level but it is exactly what we should be doing but unfortunately the ones covering are as shit defending as he is
Yep! That was my point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mystical_goat on Monday, January 8, 2024, 18:57:14
8 and 8.15pm kick-offs. Is this just big TV flexing its muscles? I'm often falling asleep on the sofa during the second half of matches, never mind the travelling away fans.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Monday, January 8, 2024, 19:10:41
I agree and its so brexit. Us europeans have to wait until 9:15


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, January 8, 2024, 20:33:50
I agree and its so brexit. Us europeans have to wait until 9:15

Which goes to show the £ is mightier than the € because money talks.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Monday, January 8, 2024, 21:22:47
shame its dropped by 25% since brexit eh?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, January 8, 2024, 21:33:14
shame its dropped by 25% since brexit eh?

We do have a let’s get political thread.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 07:21:42
shame its dropped by 25% since brexit eh?

I’m referring to the British audiences value to the tv broadcaster and their advertising customers. Clearly still bitter at democracy.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 08:30:56
I will say this once as quite rightly pointed out this is not the politics thread. Yes I am bitter, Brexit personally costs me £8-10,000 anually in lost pay due to the dramatic collapse of the pound. Thats not made up figures thats my brexit reality.

With regards to kick off times, I realise you are being flippant as was I , however, there is one reason and one reason only for the kick off times with their scatter gun approach, tv audiences in Asia and the states. That is the ONLY factorwhy these times exist, nothing to do with British audiences


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 08:47:23
shame its dropped by 25% since brexit eh?

It hasn't though. It was 1.14 in 2017 and been roughly the same since. It was up around 2015 to 1.45 but that was an exception in the last 10 to 15 years.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 09:28:31
8 and 8.15pm kick-offs. Is this just big TV flexing its muscles? I'm often falling asleep on the sofa during the second half of matches, never mind the travelling away fans.
Whatever time the kick off I’m usually asleep during the second half watching Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 10:07:16
Whatever time the kick off I’m usually asleep during the second half watching Swindon.

Ok Remeao


(joke would work equally as well with any STFC players name)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 15:53:59
Is it me or does there seems to be a regular occurrence of fans collapsing at games these days?

Hope the fan at Bolton is OK.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 15:59:04
Is it me or does there seems to be a regular occurrence of fans collapsing at games these days?

Hope the fan at Bolton is OK.

Yeah, think the main difference is now they stop the game, I’m sure if it happened in the 80s they’d have just carried on playing


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 16:10:37
Strangely, the game has been abandoned


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 16:16:13
Is it me or does there seems to be a regular occurrence of fans collapsing at games these days?

Hope the fan at Bolton is OK.

Tread carefully, you’ll upset the jab lovers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 16:20:04
That's bizarre. And yes,it does seem to happen more often in the last 2 or 3 years


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Leggett on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 19:54:52
Reading... Yes, dreadful that a bad owner got through the rigorous (!) EFL checks and I hope the situation gets resolved shortly... but it just shows how much smaller clubs rely on massively rich idiots to fund them massively beyond their means.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: jimbob on Saturday, January 13, 2024, 21:01:29
Everyone having sympathy with Reading forgetting they’ve spent millions and their fans milking it over the last few years…you reap what you sow…no sympathy here


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:03:08
Another one

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67753997


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, January 15, 2024, 09:04:55
Micah bloody Richards using the term "quarterback" on MOTD. Fool


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, January 15, 2024, 15:55:01
Everyone having sympathy with Reading forgetting they’ve spent millions and their fans milking it over the last few years…you reap what you sow…no sympathy here

Pathetic attitude, given the shitness of our owner currently i'd like to think we as a fanbase should have sympathy for those with worse owners than us.

Suspect this is routed in tribal bollocks anyway


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, January 15, 2024, 17:02:23
Pathetic attitude, given the shitness of our owner currently i'd like to think we as a fanbase should have sympathy for those with worse owners than us.

Suspect this is routed in tribal bollocks anyway
But are there worse owners than ours. At least they know who their owners are.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 13:30:07
QPR posting losses of £474,000 a week for last season.

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 13:33:29
QPR posting losses of £474,000 a week for last season.

Sent from my XQ-AD51
Wow


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 14:07:52
I'm sure it has been posted before, but...........

Swindon Town  :(


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 14:17:56
I'm sure it has been posted before, but...........

Swindon Town  :(
That thought involuntarily springs into my mind every time I see this thread title...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 19:45:05
Sky Sports...I'll continue...Sky Sports comparing Ivan Toney's 'isolated' time away from football akin to a stretch at Alcatraz. Fuck the fucking fuck off.

Full on script writing, fairytale stuff tonight that Sky are currently creaming themselves over right now. 'A long hard eight months'...yeah cos a professional footballer just could not survive on a meagre £20k per week salary {probably soon to be quadrupled in Feb}, having access to private doctors and personal trainers on tap, with probably some spare time and disposable income to fuck off wherever he wanted for the first four months of his ban.

Yeah Sky Sports, I feel so empathetic to him.^








^Note, not Toney's fault that Sky Sports behave like this. He's clearly a quality player but fuck me does Sky Sports simpers grate.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 21:04:34
It didn’t take Ivan Toney long to start cheating again but this time on the pitch  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 21:07:07
Personally thought him moving the free kick when the ref's back was turned was hilarious, but then again I'm watching Gladiators so I'm all up for some proper heel footballers.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 21:08:18
Personally thought him moving the free kick when the ref's back was turned was hilarious, but then again I'm watching Gladiators so I'm all up for some proper heel footballers.

Not just moving the ball tho he moved the line the ref had sprayed on the grass but it was quite cheeky and surprised VAR didn’t check it :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 21:16:07
It didn’t take Ivan Toney long to start cheating again but this time on the pitch  :soapy tit wank:

Bet he was pissed off, probably had a few quid on himself being the first goal scorer


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 20, 2024, 21:17:00
Bet he was pissed off, probably had a few quid on himself being the first goal scorer

 :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 17:03:24
Blimey, I thought the County Ground was a morgue but Bournemouth...it sounds like a BHC Friendly for the most part. Bar the odd flurry of noise when Liverpool make a mistake?

Had to smile as Bournemouth fans got ''vocal'' when obtaining a goal kick  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 19:52:56
Not just moving the ball tho he moved the line the ref had sprayed on the grass but it was quite cheeky and surprised VAR didn’t check it :D
Cheating. I agree. No different than any other form of cheating,trying to gain an advantage by illicit means. Bloody ridiculous that VAR didn't get involved as Forest manager said.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 21, 2024, 19:56:41
Cheating. I agree. No different than any other form of cheating,trying to gain an advantage by illicit means. Bloody ridiculous that VAR didn't get involved as Forest manager said.

Spot on :clap:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:18:48
It has always been the same. No different to gaining a few yards on a throw in or how you used to move forward when the ref turned around


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:27:36
It has always been the same. No different to gaining a few yards on a throw in or how you used to move forward when the ref turned around

I was surprised none of the Forest players tried to point it out to the referee. Also wouldn't it have been right in front of the linesman?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 22, 2024, 11:55:11
It has always been the same. No different to gaining a few yards on a throw in or how you used to move forward when the ref turned around

Pinching a few yards for a throw in doesn't really gain that much of an advantage does it?

The "Big Dog" has moved the ball to give himself more or less a clear shot at goal & was skilled enough to execute.
Yeah, ref, assistant & the Forest wall should have picked up on it.
Clever play or gamesmanship?

Would like to see the spray deployed for throw ins as well.
Maybe football should be a lot more exact when insisting that restarts from the line are taken from the correct position.
Other field sports do it after all.

Less for fans to moan about though & we can't be having that. :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Monday, January 22, 2024, 12:58:59
I agree with TBL, as a player you will try to gain an advantage when possible, it's up to the officials and opposing team to address it if it's overstepped the mark. Clever by Toney IMO, he saw an advantage to be gained and went for it, if nobody picked up on it then so be it.  However Toney wouldn't have been able to complain should the goal had been ruled out by VAR, but to call it cheating is over the top.  A keeper going down to get a delay in game is a similar thing, which Mahoney and Flynn utilised regularly.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 22, 2024, 14:42:16
I agree with TBL, as a player you will try to gain an advantage when possible, it's up to the officials and opposing team to address it if it's overstepped the mark. Clever by Toney IMO, he saw an advantage to be gained and went for it, if nobody picked up on it then so be it.  However Toney wouldn't have been able to complain should the goal had been ruled out by VAR, but to call it cheating is over the top.  A keeper going down to get a delay in game is a similar thing, which Mahoney and Flynn utilised regularly.

Yeah but that's because Town have less hope than all the ''Hopes'' in the world. And Town are a bit wank


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, January 22, 2024, 14:56:44
It has always been the same. No different to gaining a few yards on a throw in or how you used to move forward when the ref turned around
Not often throw ins turn into goals. I don't really think that's the same thing personally


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Monday, January 22, 2024, 14:57:39
I was surprised none of the Forest players tried to point it out to the referee. Also wouldn't it have been right in front of the linesman?
Isn't that what VAR is supposed to be for?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, January 22, 2024, 15:03:21
Isn't that what VAR is supposed to be for?

Or VAR. The point is, there should be more than enough people watching that game to have noticed what Toney was doing and have put a stop to it, either before, or after the event.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, January 22, 2024, 15:09:42
VAR can't intervene on restarts apparently.

Toney's explanation that he thought that the ball could be moved was laughable to the point of taking the piss.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, January 22, 2024, 17:55:50
Not often throw ins turn into goals. I don't really think that's the same thing personally
It'll be a never ending arguement. If we are to start being that pedantic over 1 or 2 feet we may as well use VAR to make sure the ref has marked the correct area too. I know it's not often but the game is full of scenarios like it and we need to stop wanting everything disallowed


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 17:16:06
Port Vale fan chased the ref of the pitch after giving Portsmouth a late penalty

Stay classy


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 19:28:14
The ref took off for sure!

Imagine that’ll cost Vile a few quid.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 27, 2024, 20:33:23
VAR can't intervene on restarts apparently.

Toney's explanation that he thought that the ball could be moved was laughable to the point of taking the piss.

Did he think he was also allowed to move the foam🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 09:06:32
The ref took off for sure!

Imagine that’ll cost Vile a few quid.
Presume Vile social media team didn’t actually mean this


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 09:49:39
Presume Vile social media team didn’t actually mean this


That last paragraph in bold reminded me of a mass encroachment there in the not too distant past.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 12:37:20
Joey Barton does have a point re female presenters.

‘West Brom v Wolves tomorrow - The Black Derby County’


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 12:50:29
Joey Barton does have a point re female presenters.

‘West Brom v Wolves tomorrow - The Black Derby County’
Joey Barton does have a point re female presenters.

‘West Brom v Wolves tomorrow - The Black Derby County’

Reminds me of a time about 15 years ago in Swindon Sunday League and we had a cup game against Swindon West Indies - who as the name suggests were team from Swindon with West Indian heritage…

Went to text message went round asking for availability the text read that we were playing West Swindon Indians - which would make them a team of Indians specifically from West Swindon.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 13:33:32
Wolves fans in the WBA end fighting. Scenes resembling the 70’s


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Qunk on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 15:08:40
Wolves fans in the WBA end fighting. Scenes resembling the 70’s

Sub-human scum bags.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 16:57:48
BBC commentators talking about Wrexham v Newcastle is a mouth watering game when they haven’t yet played Blackburn away😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:29:57
BBC commentators talking about Wrexham v Newcastle is a mouth watering game when they haven’t yet played Blackburn away😁
Twats


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:36:39
Newport 2 Man Utd 2,  don’t know wether to laugh or cry.😀😂😀😂.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:45:53
Newport 2 Man Utd 2,  don’t know wether to laugh or cry.😀😂😀😂.

Flynn looking well at half time and sounding like he’s got a foot in the Newport door.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:46:06
Newport 2 Man Utd 2,  don’t know wether to laugh or cry.😀😂😀😂.

Choose to laugh.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:47:58
Definitely laugh!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:50:34
Flynn looking well at half time and sounding like he’s got a foot in the Newport door.
Yeah, "we" this and "we" that. They're welcome to him


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:52:45
Newport’s pitch is in a better state than ours, wouldn’t have said that a few years ago.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 17:53:37
Hopefully they’ll be worn out on Saturday.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 18:01:58
Anthony’s pink boots😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 28, 2024, 20:27:03
Yeah, "we" this and "we" that. They're welcome to him

He is from Newport & was a fan as a kid so not really a surprise


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whingy the poo on Monday, January 29, 2024, 23:32:48
BBC commentators talking about Wrexham v Newcastle is a mouth watering game when they haven’t yet played Blackburn away😁

And Blackburn beat them 4-1. Hahaha  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :smugfu:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 00:09:48
And Blackburn beat them 4-1. Hahaha  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :smugfu:
What a fairytale  :pint:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 30, 2024, 01:18:56
Good riddance. Hate all this fake fawning bollocks, what's so fucking special about them? It's not a fairytale, it's tedious shit.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 8, 2024, 21:06:31
No thanks….

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiZto-705yEAxVXWEEAHZdxDMMQFnoECD0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.skysports.com%2Ffootball%2Fnews%2F11095%2F13066894%2Fifab-set-to-introduce-blue-cards-for-football-sin-bins&usg=AOvVaw3G3p0_PbR4gfIEtaP801dE&opi=89978449


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, February 9, 2024, 06:51:26
Sin bin for 10 mins?
All for it if it cuts out the cynical fouls that would normally be a yellow but warrant a bit more, stopping short of a red.
Maybe "taking one for the team" won't then be viewed with as much seeming approval as it is now.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, February 9, 2024, 07:26:44
Sin bin for 10 mins?
All for it if it cuts out the cynical fouls that would normally be a yellow but warrant a bit more, stopping short of a red.
Maybe "taking one for the team" won't then be viewed with as much seeming approval as it is now.

Have to agree. Going off for 10 minutes should be no more disruptive than going off the pitch for treatment therefore shouldn’t interrupt the game much. Long overdue IMHO, be interesting to see the players behaviour once they realise the cost to their team. Did I read that refs are also going to be mic’d up to explain decisions like rugby? All for that too.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Riddick on Friday, February 9, 2024, 08:38:01
The challenge will be on the ref to manage the 10 mins players are in the sin bin as the penalised team will clearly do everything to slow the game down right, and the ref just adding mins at the end of the game when teams are back up to 11 is going to do nothing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Friday, February 9, 2024, 08:41:25
I may be an aging cynic, but if refs are miked up it will be for the benefit of tv viewers only and not for those in the stadium (in club rugby this is how it works currently).
Not sure about blue cards - if 3 or 4 team mates are all screaming dissent at the same time will the ref really reduce the team to 8 or 7 ?  Unlikely in my view.
I can see the benefit of a “red or yellow review” like they have in rugby for challenges which might be borderline - review helping to get it right while play goes on.
I think that dissent should be punished by yellow / red if continued. Why do they need a blue? Otherwise refereeing at grass roots level will become impossible.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Friday, February 9, 2024, 08:42:29
Also agree with Riddick on the time management point.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 9, 2024, 08:59:35
I assume this trialling of a blue card is them holding their hands up that the refs who were supposed to be stricter on cynicism and time-wasting hasn't worked? With that said, there does seem to be a lot less of players kicking the ball away now, which is positive.

It won't happen but i'd love to see us get to a stage where players have much more respect for the officials.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Friday, February 9, 2024, 09:47:41
We've had "sin bin" in our Sunday league for years for dissent only. At first it was overused but now it's underused. Refs
now tend to just give a yellow for dissent but some don't so all it's achieved really is inconsistency. The game does not need even more inconsistency,surely?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, February 9, 2024, 10:23:38
As it's going to be trialled in the FA Cup, we will only see it for one game max!  :D


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 9, 2024, 10:30:10
As it's going to be trialled in the FA Cup, we will only see it for one game max!  :D

Feeling blue in our inevitable first round defeat away to Solihull Moors, Tyrese Shade inevitably on the scoresheet!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, February 9, 2024, 15:06:22
What a load of bollocks leave the game alone.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 09:47:45
Crawley have released their accounts. 4 million quid lost in 22/23. That's on the back of 1 million quid plus losses for both FGR and Orient.

Crewe's accounts being released today also I think.


Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 10:47:07
Crawley went bonkers on players then didn't they? Backed by NFT money, or not as it may be.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 11:21:12
Crawley went bonkers on players then didn't they? Backed by NFT money, or not as it may be.

Yeah, their owners 'Wagmi' are 'owed' those losses, interest free.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 11:37:17
Hope that £4m was mostly the fee for Gladwin & Lindsey!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 12:31:11
Hope that £4m was mostly the fee for Gladwin & Lindsey!
Probably not even 4p.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 13:31:45
Would be interesting to see what the annual expenditure is, and where it sits in relation to our £8m & the vegans £10m


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 18:25:24
From 25/26 the FA Cup will only be shown on TNT Sports

Disgraceful sell out.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 18:34:23
From 25/26 the FA Cup will only be shown on TNT Sports

Disgraceful sell out.

No it wont

Some games are still free to air

Quote
Selected matches from every round will be available free-to-air, and highlights of every game will be made available. Further details of the free-to-air broadcaster will be confirmed in due course.

https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/the-emirates-fa-cup/2023-2024/the-fa-and-tnt-sports-agree-new-four-year-deal-to-broadcast-the-emirates-fa-cup-from-2025-26_sto10023595/story.shtml



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 18:49:47
Well, yeah but it is only on TNT and it’s associated channels.

Is TNT a widely available channel for anyone without some kind of TV package.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 18:55:20
Well, yeah but it is only on TNT and it’s associated channels.

Is TNT a widely available channel for anyone without some kind of TV package.

TNT will be working with either BBC or ITV still, so not much will change.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 18:55:36
It's basically BT Sports renamed.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 15, 2024, 18:55:42
What does this mean for the Creepies? Dissolved on 20 Feb?



Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 16, 2024, 09:55:23
What does this mean for the Creepies? Dissolved on 20 Feb?



After a 30 second internet/twitter search apparently nothing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 16, 2024, 10:56:06
Crewe announce losses of 1.4 million from last year. There is certainly a pattern emerging.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 16, 2024, 10:58:53
No club actually wants to post a profit and have to pay tax on it. I’m dubious that these ‘losses’ are nothing more than convenient.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 16, 2024, 10:59:29
What does this mean for the Creepies? Dissolved on 20 Feb?
Hopefully.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 16, 2024, 11:00:34
It’s the company that’s dissolving but they are the owners. So after they’ve dissolved who owns Creepies.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 16, 2024, 11:23:07
According to Swindon Town's very own Miss Marple on Twitter, the company being dissolved isn't the one that owns Crawley Town. That's Wagmi United US LLC seemingly, so this dissolvement doesn't affect Crawley.

Edit - With that said, Wagmi United US LLC are not on Companies House so I'm actually not sure that's right.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 16, 2024, 12:06:57
I assume that's the US company which is listed on an Edgar search

https://www.sec.gov/edgar/search/#/ciks=0001897661&entityName=WAGMI%2520United%2520LLC%2520(CIK%25200001897661)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 16, 2024, 13:37:03
Ah ok. I've never used Edgar before. :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 19, 2024, 20:45:17
Other than the last 5mins of the first half, never seen The Grand Old Lady sound more dead than a morgue at Everton.

I guess their fans are at a similar apathy stage as Towns?  :hmmm:

Also found this anecdote and it couldn't be more true

'...the only thing worse for a football club than a toxic fanbase is one that has been ground into apathy.'


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 06:38:02
Well, yeah but it is only on TNT and it’s associated channels.

Is TNT a widely available channel for anyone without some kind of TV package.

Get a Firestick and problem solved.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 09:42:13
I have. It’s those who don’t I’m banging on about.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 12:15:08
QPR accounts published. How on earth are they still afloat. Another £20m annual loss to add to their accumulated losses - now north of £300m. Losing £55,000 a day and in the Championship relegation zone. Paying salaries of £109 for every £100 of income. Whatever model clubs are using they aren’t working.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 12:24:08
Salaries and fees are crazy these days. Only heading one way.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 12:35:28
QPR accounts published. How on earth are they still afloat. Another £20m annual loss to add to their accumulated losses - now north of £300m. Losing £55,000 a day and in the Championship relegation zone. Paying salaries of £109 for every £100 of income. Whatever model clubs are using they aren’t working.

Surely they are totally in breach of FPP rules? (whatever they may be these days)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 12:50:09
Well, that’s what their fans are thinking. Don’t forget they still have to lay off that huge fine they got - £40m?. They’re hoping the £12m they’ve ‘earmarked’ for a training complex will be offset against those losses. Dropping into L1 will put them right in it.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: cheltred69 on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 18:41:07
Not sure if it belongs in the right or wrong thread, but I see Andy Holt, Accrington owner, has been active on twitter re their finances.
£1m loss last year which he says can’t be continued so has set out plans to close the gap and make them sustainable. Mostly through increasing revenue, including ticket and food & drink prices but also cutting playing budget, I think from around £1.5m to £1.2m.
Was very open about the tightrope needing to be walked, particularly when so many other clubs are throwing around wages that aren’t affordable.
The sort of openness that’s sadly lacking here of course.
Interestingly he was also bemoaning that over 60% of their playing budget was going to players currently out injured, though not sure what plans he had for addressing that!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 20:30:01
Gareth Barry and Tim Sherwood pundits together on the panel for the Man City v Brentford match, on Singapore's StarHub Premier...  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, February 20, 2024, 20:33:29
If only they would be Clems shares🤣


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 21:46:07
Porto


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 23:01:40
Porto
Especially that massive cunt Pepe


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 21, 2024, 23:04:26
good finish though


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: mexico red on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 08:32:37
yes agreed, good goal, but the constant play acting drives me mental, i remember the final against celtic years ago, it seems nothing changes


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 10:27:05
yes agreed, good goal, but the constant play acting drives me mental, i remember the final against celtic years ago, it seems nothing changes
True mate. And not only Porto,the majority of Portuguese football including the national team, I reckon. Far cry from the days when their talisman was that immaculate sportsman Eusebio


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 15:09:08
Torquay on the brink after Clarke Osborne withdrew financing the club and called in the administrators.

He’s the twat who owns the Abbey Stadium and closed down the speedway with, no doubt, the greyhounds to follow.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, February 22, 2024, 15:49:09
Torquay on the brink after Clarke Osborne withdrew financing the club and called in the administrators.

He’s the twat who owns the Abbey Stadium and closed down the speedway with, no doubt, the greyhounds to follow.

Twat's being nice.....he also tried to get Coventry speedway's site sold off for housing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 23, 2024, 14:32:24
Wtf

😳 QPR’s Ilias Chair has been sent to prison after being found guilty of breaking a truck driver's skull with a rock.

He’s been sentenced to a year with a further 12 months suspended.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, February 26, 2024, 14:04:15
Keiron Maguire has said on his latest pod that he knows of clubs in the EFL who are artificially inflating their attendances because they are connected with money laundering operations.

What are the odds on STFC being one of them?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, February 26, 2024, 14:15:18
Keiron Maguire has said on his latest pod that he knows of clubs in the EFL who are artificially inflating their attendances because they are connected with money laundering operations.

What are the odds on STFC being one of them?

I'd say that ours were kosher taking ST holders into account.
Would be a lot more suspicious if they stayed the same next season.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Monday, February 26, 2024, 14:28:47
Keiron Maguire has said on his latest pod that he knows of clubs in the EFL who are artificially inflating their attendances because they are connected with money laundering operations.

What are the odds on STFC being one of them?
If he knows this then he should be revealing who


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 26, 2024, 14:51:34
Revealing it publicly could land him in hot water legally. But he should be reporting it to the authorities.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 26, 2024, 14:56:47
It wouldn't be a surprise, given the authorities made it public they were giving Money Laundering more focus within football.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 26, 2024, 14:58:57
Revealing it publicly could land him in hot water legally. But he should be reporting it to the authorities.
Absolutely this, he has a right to report to the authorities so they can act upon it even if not publically.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 26, 2024, 15:06:08
It wouldn't be a surprise, given the authorities made it public they were giving Money Laundering more focus within football.
If anyone genuinely thinks this doesnt actually happen in real football then I would suggest they watch this documentary about Bangor FC and fake owners and money laundering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c7h89x

"BBC Wales Investigates: The Hidden World of Football"

Also I give you George Reynolds the money laundering owner of Darlington FC (at the time).

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/6987328.reynolds-500-000-linked-quakers/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, February 26, 2024, 15:06:57
Ok, so who's had the thought hoping that it might be us?
Take the medicine, clean sweep of miscreants, start again afresh preferably still in the EFL?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 26, 2024, 15:08:39
Ok, so who's had the thought hoping that it might be us?
Take the medicine, clean sweep of miscreants, start again afresh preferably still in the EFL?
I am still hoping it isnt us but sort of expecting that it will be.

I want Clem and co out as much as anyone but no way would I want the club to go the phoenix route.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 26, 2024, 16:15:55
I mean, I am not insinuating anything, but anyone who does any sort of Money Laundering training in the corporate world, or financial threats etc., would be identifying a significant number of red flags.  We have a high cash based business, we've started trading with a previously unincorporated business in a Country known for money laundering, engaged in more than one international business requiring the transfer of money and exchange of currencies, work in an industry where financial deals are kept secret, and so on.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 26, 2024, 16:36:57
Ok, so who's had the thought hoping that it might be us?

Nah not us, we've got match day guests who are experts and could spot it happening form Karachi.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 26, 2024, 17:45:12
Ok, so who's had the thought hoping that it might be us?
Take the medicine, clean sweep of miscreants, start again afresh preferably still in the EFL?

I absolutely am.  

I'm sure some of the usual suspects will think I'm a cunt for that because it might ultimately mean being demoted or expelled from the league, but it would be better to take our licks and have the clear out we need and then start the rebuild rather than carry on sleepwalking slowly in that direction anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 26, 2024, 18:04:27
I always thought clubs were misreporting attendances lower than they actually were - not higher. Smaller crowds = less in income = less taxable income.

Obviously this was rife in the days of paying cash at the turnstiles as we well know.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 26, 2024, 18:44:47
I forgot one other red flag, actually having someone connected to the club with a Money Laundering conviction.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, February 26, 2024, 19:36:59

I forgot one other red flag, actually having someone connected to the club with a Money Laundering conviction.



But we have no one at the club connected with Money Laundering conviction{s}...Clem told us himself. The only link is that he is a very friendly, kind type chap doing some visa stuff, will take a kicking every now and again...and is a matchday guest  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 11:35:35
I forgot one other red flag, actually having someone connected to the club with a Money Laundering conviction.

Just that?

Not the Adam Hart MTK Global thing as well?

https://www.boxingscene.com/court-hearing-alleges-mtk-kinahan-cartel-laundered-money-using-fighters-bank-accounts--180359#:~:text=Defunct%20management%20company%20MTK%20Global,claimed%20in%20a%20court%20hearing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 12:40:18

But we have no one at the club connected with Money Laundering conviction{s}...Clem told us himself. The only link is that he is a very friendly, kind type chap doing some visa stuff, will take a kicking every now and again...and is a matchday guest  :soapy tit wank:

I think he said words to the effect of "time served".

I sincerely hope he and Hart are changed men, they could be. But the EFL have rules for a reason, and if Austin is really just a matchday guest my flabber will be well and truly gasted. That doesn't mean wrongdoing of course, in the illeagal sense anyway.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 12:43:37
Just that?

Not the Adam Hart MTK Global thing as well?

https://www.boxingscene.com/court-hearing-alleges-mtk-kinahan-cartel-laundered-money-using-fighters-bank-accounts--180359#:~:text=Defunct%20management%20company%20MTK%20Global,claimed%20in%20a%20court%20hearing.

Well, apart from that, what have the Money Launderers ever done for us? 

If you were working in the financial crimes section of the police, you'd be sniffing about and if you were a a financial consultant/risk analyst you'd be giving the club a significant amount of advice on it's processes.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 12:44:44
I think he said words to the effect of "time served".

I sincerely hope he and Hart are changed men, they could be. But the EFL have rules for a reason, and if Austin is really just a matchday guest my flabber will be well and truly gasted. That doesn't mean wrongdoing of course, in the illeagal sense anyway.

How does Austin find himself on the invite list of so many L2 clubs Directors Lounges, especially when we play them?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 12:51:14
As Clems guest i would imagine


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 12:54:06
How does Austin find himself on the invite list of so many L2 clubs Directors Lounges, especially when we play them?

Doesn't Ranford do the same as guests of our security contractors ?!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 13:10:15
For away games I'd imagine that the visiting club would be allocated a number of complementary tickets for boardroom lounges or equivalents based on capacity.

For home games given the recent focus by the club on ticket category entry abuse, I would hope that there are similar efforts to crackdown on excessive freeloading in the executive lounges.

I'd imagine (again) that the potential increase in matchday income would far outweigh any perceived abuse at the lowly turnstile level.

Maybe this is one of the disadvantageous commercial arrangements that the club is referring to?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 16:50:02
Reading deducted yet another 2 points with another 2 suspended after Yongge failed, yet again to deposit wages + 25% into a specified account.

So after months of fans protesting against his ownership he’s taken no notice and done nothing to alleviate the situation.

Hardly surprised our fans can’t be arsed protesting.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 27, 2024, 19:53:46
The fact that some of their fans still have a go at protesters makes me wonder how bad it would have to get here before the happy clappers stop happy clapping.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 12:30:19
Paul Pogba, given a 4 year ban for doping…..what a waste of a career.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 12:32:52
Doping in football is a weird one, essentially nobody ever gets caught and when they do, nobody really talks about it, but there's far too much money around the game for it not to be absolutely rife.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 12:34:18
Exactly that Nemo.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 12:39:06
An interesting article on doping in football here.

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/doping-in-football-what-is-it-why-do-players-do-it--famous-allegations/1md3krn3ucbgl1xrf4bwx3kynz


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 12:52:46
Where there's money to be made there will be cheats.

And accidents where you inadvertently take something.

for the maximum ban to be made I assume the latter does got supply to pogba


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:07:27
Where there's money to be made there will be cheats.

And accidents where you inadvertently take something.

for the maximum ban to be made I assume the latter does got supply to pogba
His claim was that he must've taken it "inadvertently".  Obviously his claim was not accepted.

Not calling Pogba a liar or drugs cheat but has a drugs cheat ever fessed up, saying "you got me bang to rights, I thought I'd get a little boost and get away with it" ?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 13:19:10
Lance Armstrong. There was a bit of a gap between doing it/accusations and confession though!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 20:01:11
Grimsby’s accounts.£4m on wages.



Title: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 29, 2024, 20:52:29
have to say I really wanted David Artell instead of Morris, not going well at Grimsby is it


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:10:31
Phillips chippy being shut on last 2 midweek home games!

Anyone know if Tuesday is just closed day now?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:12:07
Grimsby’s accounts.£4m on wages.



They still turned a profit though. Mainly due to them getting to the FA Cup 1/4 final though I would have thought.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:17:29
Phillips chippy being shut on last 2 midweek home games!

Anyone know if Tuesday is just closed day now?

Yeah, closed on a Tuesday according to Google.

Always a queue before & after midweek games.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 1, 2024, 11:23:55
I see Tomi Adeloye was on the scoresheet Tuesday night, but sadly appears to have been (allegedly) racially abused by someone from the Partick Thistle section, which sums up the guys that do these kind of things really.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/24155470.swindon-town-loan-striker-subject-alleged-racial-abuse/


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:27:02
Yeah, closed on a Tuesday according to Google.

Always a queue before & after midweek games.

Thanks. Shame, but at least I know. Should have googled it myself.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 1, 2024, 13:36:09
They still turned a profit though. Mainly due to them getting to the FA Cup 1/4 final though I would have thought.

That's the businesses total wage bill as well though, you'd expect ours to be closer to 5m given scale of operation/size of club etc.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 2, 2024, 21:03:45
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68459920

The absolute nest of conflicts of interest involved in the whole thing. Stick to Gladiators, Clattenburg.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:25:01
A clubs 'referee analyst'. Jesus.  Thats a job I need to apply for.

How was the ref - he was a c*nt.

There's my audition for the role.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:34:39
All the ridiculous fall out because Liverpool scored at the death, had Forest scored it would have been a different reaction I’m sure.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 13:54:06
All the ridiculous fall out because Liverpool scored at the death, had Forest scored it would have been a different reaction I’m sure.

Try telling my Forest supporting mate that.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 14:47:58
Sound familiar?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/9/investigation-reveals-football-used-to-launder-money-men-who-sell-football


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:28:29
Try telling my Forest supporting mate that.

The teams/managers/owners had an opportunity to come together and say enough is enough when PGMOL publicly screwed up and later apologised after the Spurs vs Liverpool match at the start of the season.  They then had a 2nd opportunity when the same thing happened in the Liverpool vs Arsenal game.  Because it wasn't against them they said nothing, now all season after every team feel they have been wronged, they winge and moan about it, Arteta has done it, now forest Manager/coaching staff/owner.

Little sympathy, it's been clear that PGMOL is a shit show all season, but it seems it only matters when it's your team.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 15:58:49
The teams/managers/owners had an opportunity to come together and say enough is enough when PGMOL publicly screwed up and later apologised after the Spurs vs Liverpool match at the start of the season.  They then had a 2nd opportunity when the same thing happened in the Liverpool vs Arsenal game.  Because it wasn't against them they said nothing, now all season after every team feel they have been wronged, they winge and moan about it, Arteta has done it, now forest Manager/coaching staff/owner.

Little sympathy, it's been clear that PGMOL is a shit show all season, but it seems it only matters when it's your team.

Personally I don’t give a fuck. I’m just offering a view from my mate. ASI pointed out to him, try being a Swindon supporter😉


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 16:10:55
Personally I don’t give a fuck. I’m just offering a view from my mate. ASI pointed out to him, try being a Swindon supporter😉

I quoted you but it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the subject as a whole


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 20:25:50
Clattenburg never was and never EVER will be John Anderson.

''Eunice, you whoo-will go on my first whoo-whistle''


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 3, 2024, 20:27:57
I quoted you but it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the subject as a whole

I don’t actually care, the shit i get on this site just makes me laugh, so no offence taken whatsoever.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 4, 2024, 20:12:12
Sheffield Utd already 3 down at home to Arsenal after 15 minutes.

We were never that bad.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Whingy the poo on Monday, March 4, 2024, 22:09:26

"Sheffield United set an unwanted record when they became the first team in English football history to concede five goals in four consecutive home games across all competitions as they were dismantled by Arsenal at Bramall Lane."

They have currently conceded 72 goals, goal different of -50 after 27 games.
Swindon 93/94 after 27 games was, conceded 61, goal different of -33.

Its looking very likely that our record in 93/94 is going to be smashed by the Blades. :eek:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, March 4, 2024, 22:13:23
"Sheffield United set an unwanted record when they became the first team in English football history to concede five goals in four consecutive home games across all competitions as they were dismantled by Arsenal at Bramall Lane."

They have currently conceded 72 goals, goal different of -50 after 27 games.
Swindon 93/94 after 27 games was, conceded 61, goal different of -33.

Its looking very likely that our record in 93/94 is going to be smashed by the Blades. :eek:
That disappoints me. I hoped we’d keep a Prem record.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 00:57:03
"Sheffield United set an unwanted record when they became the first team in English football history to concede five goals in four consecutive home games across all competitions as they were dismantled by Arsenal at Bramall Lane."

They have currently conceded 72 goals, goal different of -50 after 27 games.
Swindon 93/94 after 27 games was, conceded 61, goal different of -33.

Its looking very likely that our record in 93/94 is going to be smashed by the Blades. :eek:

Perhaps but we played 4 more games…


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 06:27:05
Perhaps but we played 4 more games…
Comparison is after 27 games each unless I’m very much mistaken.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 07:08:15
Sheffield Utd already 3 down at home to Arsenal after 15 minutes.

We were never that bad.
True.

But 3 down in 9 minutes at home to Arsenalldershot says anything the Blades can do, we can do better.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 08:21:30
Comparison is after 27 games each unless I’m very much mistaken.

Yes, so they are on course for it currently they’d still have to concede 3 goals a game. Or more accurately 5 goals every 2 games.

From game 27 to 42 we concede an average of 2.6 per game.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: adje on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:30:34
That disappoints me. I hoped we’d keep a Prem record.

We'll always be the first! 🥇


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:46:18
That disappoints me. I hoped we’d keep a Prem record.
Its ok at least this season we made a new FA cup record that will not be beaten in many years, if ever, as the heaviest home defeat to a non league team ever.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 5, 2024, 10:52:57
I wish someone could explain that game - I still can’t make sense of it. The weirdest thing I’ve ever witnessed - well, 60 minutes of it!


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Cookie on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 10:08:27
Could be other thread depending on point of view but Reading have flogged their training ground to Wycombe for 22 million quid.

Another example of how far off STFC is but also how fucked Reading are.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 10:23:43
Jeez

Don't wish to see Reading go bust tbh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 10:40:13
He’s asset stripping before he legs it.

How the fuck have Wycombe got £22m?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:05:44
He’s asset stripping before he legs it.

How the fuck have Wycombe got £22m?

Because they are well run and have an ownership that make sensible decisions.  They have no doubt made some decent money by rising up the leagues and some decent cup runs without going after the dream.  I have no doubt they probably have some backers that have deeper pockets than an aussie plumber.  Wycombe are in an ideal location, right on the edge of Landan and can fly under the radar whilst steadily doing their thing.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:36:24
Because they are well run and have an ownership that make sensible decisions.  They have no doubt made some decent money by rising up the leagues and some decent cup runs without going after the dream.  I have no doubt they probably have some backers that have deeper pockets than an aussie plumber.  Wycombe are in an ideal location, right on the edge of Landan and can fly under the radar whilst steadily doing their thing.

I think Wycombes owners are courting some fella from Georgia to try and buy them. Wonder if this is the first step of him getting involved in the club?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:44:58
I think Wycombes owners are courting some fella from Georgia to try and buy them. Wonder if this is the first step of him getting involved in the club?

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.  If you think about their location they must be a prime candidate for a wealthy purchaser - they are not really too disimilar to a Fulham/Brentford/QPR, albeit not in London and with cheaper rent/taxes.  Must be a tempting club for anyone wishing to purchase one.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 11:54:17
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.  If you think about their location they must be a prime candidate for a wealthy purchaser - they are not really too disimilar to a Fulham/Brentford/QPR, albeit not in London and with cheaper rent/taxes.  Must be a tempting club for anyone wishing to purchase one.

Got undersoil heating too ;)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 12:02:15
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.  If you think about their location they must be a prime candidate for a wealthy purchaser - they are not really too disimilar to a Fulham/Brentford/QPR, albeit not in London and with cheaper rent/taxes.  Must be a tempting club for anyone wishing to purchase one.

Gotta think you get more buying Swindon though, but probably doesn't cost as much. Wycombe was who Bergkamp and co were after.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 12:22:03
Wycombe are a small club though  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 13:10:08
Wycombe are a small club though  :hmmm:
I would put them at a similar size to Boremuff before the Russian took them over and they started their fairytale rise.

Same size average crowds in L2 and L1, never went above the lower reaches of Div 3 and 4 barring the odd season, small fanbase, no major silverware in their history etc...


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: TailBetweenLegs on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 13:31:41
Wycombe are a small club though  :hmmm:
So are we tbh


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 13:44:52
Dai Yongge took over Beijing Renhe in 2007. 2020 they were relegated to the 3rd tier. 2021 they were dissolved 🇨🇳

His sister took over KSV Roeselare in 2016. They were relegated to the 3rd tier. They dissolved in 2019 🇧🇪

Reading- Sound familiar? Fit and proper?


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 14:06:17
So are we tbh

Maybe, but not Wycombe levels. To me they are a Stevenage, Northampton, Oxford  :)


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:02:10
Wycombe have cracked 5.5k attendances at home twice this season (Reading & Oxford) FWIW (nothing)




Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:08:18
Maybe, but not Wycombe levels. To me they are a Stevenage, Northampton, Oxford  :)

All League 1 clubs, while we are struggling to stay in League 2.

It's so depressing, and is probably going to get worse


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:18:25
All League 1 clubs, while we are struggling to stay in League 2.

It's so depressing, and is probably going to get worse

I was going to say, all of the 4 'small' clubs that were mentioned are comfortable in League 1 whilst we are about to post our weakest league finish in history.

Hopefully we can go all D:Ream sooner rather than later, but I won't hold my breath. 


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:20:03
Dai Yongge took over Beijing Renhe in 2007. 2020 they were relegated to the 3rd tier. 2021 they were dissolved 🇨🇳

His sister took over KSV Roeselare in 2016. They were relegated to the 3rd tier. They dissolved in 2019 🇧🇪

Reading- Sound familiar? Fit and proper?

I read about that. It's pretty staggering how he managed to pass Fit and Proper. His sister at one stage was one of the richest women on the planet.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:33:25
I read about that. It's pretty staggering how he managed to pass Fit and Proper. His sister at one stage was one of the richest women on the planet.

Yet Zav Austin couldn't pass the test, says it all really


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: DiV on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:43:43
All League 1 clubs, while we are struggling to stay in League 2.

It's so depressing, and is probably going to get worse

All with lower crowds I imagine just furthering the point it’s a massively outdated metric for club size & spending power.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 14, 2024, 15:50:54
Look at Bradford


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 19:45:29
Wrexham lost over £5m in the last 12 months and they ‘owe’ Reynolds et al just shy of £9m in total.


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 19:49:12
They will have the premiership money in a few years to pay it back😁


Title: Re: Whats wrong with football?
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 28, 2024, 19:49:36
Wrexham lost over £5m in the last 12 months and they ‘owe’ Reynolds et al just shy of £9m in total.

No surprise that they lost lots of money, but the standout think for me was their revenue - £10m, a full quarter of which came from overseas and £3.4m from merchandise. Absolutely ridiculous numbers for (then) National League. Obviously they spend even more, but they're a bit like Manchester United in the Prem - the amount they bring in is just loads more than anyone else.