Whats wrong with football?

[Batch]

I don't know.

is it any different from employing McCormick?

so many questions..

As I said, messy

[Bogus Dave]

They were found guilty of rape in a civil court. The judge called them rapists

[4D]

Ah OK.

[Nemo]

I don't know.

is it any different from employing McCormick?

so many questions..

As I said, messy

The main difference for me (perhaps not for everyone) is that McCormick showed immediate and ongoing remorse for what he did, including to the family of those who died. Goodwillie does not and has not accepted that he did anything wrong. I don't really feel you can have forgiveness without remorse. Other people will feel differently of course, and I understand that if you don't feel you did something it might be difficult to show remorse for it.

[chalkies shorts]

Side question. Can you call someone a rapist if they haven't been found guilty in criminal law?

Yep you can call them a rapist. You can't call them a convicted rapist.
Raith paid £50k for him and a contract of £1k to 1.5k per week on a 2.5 year contract. Now he's not going to play for them.
Val mcdermidd writer and shirt sponsor made her views known back in December when the move was first mooted.
I know I'm in the minority but I think what is happening at Raith is great. Fan power in action. It's also good to see the female teams distancing themselves from Raith rovers. As a female fan how could you applaud a goal he scored.
I think Val mcdermidd is now on a mission to get the chairman and 3 other directors who approved the signing removed.

[Batch]

@nemo - sorry, I meant both had served their punishment.

I am not passing judgement on the rights and wrongs of that.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

How can a rapist not be convicted?

[Legends-Lounge]

How can a rapist not be convicted?

Does make one wonder that. It would seem that the prosecutor fiscal if in Scotland or the Criminal Protection Service in England didn’t think there was enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in the first instance. Someone paid a lot of money to bring a private prosecution and was successful it would seem.

[JBZ]

Does make one wonder that. It would seem that the prosecutor fiscal if in Scotland or the Criminal Protection Service in England didn’t think there was enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in the first instance. Someone paid a lot of money to bring a private prosecution and was successful it would seem.

I am not familiar with the jurisdiction but, if it helps, I understand that this was not a private prosecution.

[Legends-Lounge]

I am not familiar with the jurisdiction but, if it helps, I understand that this was not a private prosecution.

Well who do you understand prosecuted him if it was a cicvil case then?

[JBZ]

Well who do you understand prosecuted him if it was a cicvil case then?

It was a civil claim for damages.

Para 1 of the judgment (publicly available):-

"The pursuer is 30 years of age.  She claims damages from both defenders on the basis that in the early hours of 2 January 2011, when she was aged 24 years of age, they both committed the common law wrongs of sexual assault and rape against her.  Although there was a full police investigation into the events concerned, no criminal prosecution resulted.  The defenders each maintain that they did have sexual intercourse with her at that time, but that it was consensual.  The issue of quantum of damages was agreed amongst the parties.  The issues in the case for determination by the court were, firstly, whether, by reason of excessive consumption of alcohol, the pursuer was incapable of consenting at the material time, and secondly, whether each of the defenders had a legitimate belief, whether reasonable or honest, that she was consenting."

[fuzzy]

Remember that the burden of proof in criminal and civil cases is different.
Criminal- Beyond a reasonable doubt.
Civil- On the balance of probabilities.

[horlock07]

Does make one wonder that. It would seem that the prosecutor fiscal if in Scotland or the Criminal Protection Service in England didn’t think there was enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution in the first instance. Someone paid a lot of money to bring a private prosecution and was successful it would seem.

What would it have to do with the CPS being a Scottish case, unless we are going to try and pin this one on Starmer as well?

[horlock07]

Further arrested on sexual assault and threats to kill

Seems like a decent response from Man U/Adidas to the supporters, especially as this was to someone who bought a shirt a couple of years back...

[4D]

Who are you going to have instead Horlock?