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« Reply #7035 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 08:08:53 »

Good think there has to be a big football financial reset.

But it keeps on going.


I think legislation is the only way this madness ends
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« Reply #7036 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:24:21 »

Sadly its why the ambition of being self sustaining at this level is largely nonsense. The only way that becomes a reality is via exceptional player sales (see Exeter), or huge non footballing income via additional facilities. Trying to become sustainable without those things just drives down expenditure and will turn is into a non league club.
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« Reply #7037 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:28:17 »

Yeah, that's probably fair - the Club keep saying sustainable, and the Trust (James Phipps of the new board yesterday included) seem to be happy to go along with that, but fundamentally football is not a sustainably run business. This needs definition:

Break even before player sales (on plannable income only): this is basically impossible unless you have incredible commercial facilities (we do not, and are not investing in them)

Break even after player sales: probably possible averaged out over a few years, but requires up front investment to secure talented players to long contracts (we sort of tried this under Sandro, just made a balls up of it)

Consistent, predictable and relatively small loss that Clem is able to cover: This is how lower league football works really
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« Reply #7038 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:35:38 »

Sadly its why the ambition of being self sustaining at this level is largely nonsense. The only way that becomes a reality is via exceptional player sales (see Exeter), or huge non footballing income via additional facilities. Trying to become sustainable without those things just drives down expenditure and will turn is into a non league club.

Öand whilst people can bang on about what a shining example Exeter are, they are; 15th in L1 & whilst obviously significantly further up the football pyramid than we are currently - Iím not sure long term our fans would be happy with bottom half of L1 stabilityÖ
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« Reply #7039 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:36:14 »

Iíd not sure long term our fans would be happy with bottom half of L1 stabilityÖ

Short term we'd kill for it!
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« Reply #7040 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:43:59 »

Short term we'd kill for it!

fucking medium term we'd kill for it right now.
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« Reply #7041 on: Tuesday, April 2, 2024, 09:46:01 »

Iím not sure long term our fans would be happy with bottom half of L1 stabilityÖ

Short term it would be a delight.
Fans always demand more eventually, everywhere.

But it would represent a massive step in the right direction.
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« Reply #7042 on: Monday, April 8, 2024, 12:10:17 »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68759573

Quite how this is still happening is beyond me.
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« Reply #7043 on: Monday, April 8, 2024, 12:56:38 »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68759573

Quite how this is still happening is beyond me.

Because some people (and their offspring) still live in the 50ís.

Letís be honest some people act & talk like we still have an empire
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« Reply #7044 on: Monday, April 8, 2024, 18:18:07 »


Because some people (and their offspring) still live in the 50ís.

Letís be honest some people act & talk like we still have an empire


Are these the same people that have:

Went to School of Hard Knocks
University of Life
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A silhouette of a soldier framed by a Union Jack

As their identikit social media profiles? Possibly a quote by Saint George and heavy UKIP or Britain First supporter? Possibly follows the page ''Nick Griffin 4 PM'' too  Hmmm

Would love to see a Venn Diagram on this
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« Reply #7045 on: Monday, April 8, 2024, 21:12:20 »

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Quite how this is still happening is beyond me.

Quite a few Spanish people that I've known and met are pretty openly racist.
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« Reply #7046 on: Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 07:44:27 »

Quite a few Spanish people that I've known and met are pretty openly racist.

Definitely an issue in Spain, my other half is Latin American and she has suffered racism here, also a big anti Moroccan feeling especially here in the south
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« Reply #7047 on: Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 17:17:38 »


Definitely an issue in Spain, my other half is Latin American and she has suffered racism here, also a big anti Moroccan feeling especially here in the south


Which is mad, considering that Latin America was made up of a good chunk of Spanish colonists. And all that has happened is that your spouse, likely has Spanish heritage somewhere and has just seen her gravitate back to her origins {of course she could purely have Portuguese or French heritage but as a Latin American, Spanish people aren't going to know this}.

On top of that, it's bizarre there is an anti Moroccan feeling in the South of Spain, seeing as much of this region was built by North African and Muslim territories. A good 700-800 year era of implementing things like schooling, libraries. Not to mention poetry, architecture and literature. Not too mention, this era pretty much covered the whole of Iberia and the South of France. Southern Spain is all too happy to continue to using much of the terminology then in former al-Andalus! Interestingly or not, I think as the al-Andalus era came to an end, the colonisation of the Americas got underway. Ironic correlation that North African and Muslim era that colonised and created much of Spain {despite much western leaning history books liking to claim it was purely the making of the ''Christians'' Isabella and Ferdinand who made New Spain}, the new rulers of Spain then went off and colonised the Americas.

It seems {by your saying} that Southern Spain has a short term memory to it's true roots. Mind you, all nations have their issues in this way - China often has incredibly insular persons, with very little toleration for outside influence {this can be good and bad of course}. The UK, being an incredibly diverse nation and likely quite a tolerant one, yet it has it's obvious struggles with closeted and generational racism. Russia has a similar problem, oft forgetting much of its Bashkir, Tatar, Turk and Kazakh heritage {and much more} - which was very much a more peaceful group of regions and these people today are often dismissed in their modern society, with racialisation strategies by European Russia to say that they ''aren't white and are very dangerous''. We see this type of treatment often direct at different indigenous peoples globally.

I always find racism very weird. It either stems from an inherent lack of historical knowledge, which breeds a culture of ''fear of the unknown'' or basic ignorance driven by that very ''fear'' for political gain, where that ''other person'' might look a bit different. At the end of the day, not one human is in control of where on this Earth they are born. No one. So as often is the case, racism ultimately is something which is learned towards and not born into; it has no real need to exist.
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« Reply #7048 on: Tuesday, April 9, 2024, 17:18:32 »

Apologies - Back to ''What's Wrong With Footy?''  Cheesy
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« Reply #7049 on: Friday, April 12, 2024, 09:10:18 »

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