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Title: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 1, 2022, 09:44:15
THE CURRENT SQUAD

UNDER CONTRACT (26)
Position - Player - Contract Expiry - Age as of 1st Aug 2023

Goalkeepers (2)
1. Jack Bycroft - 2024 (2025 Option) - 21 - GK
25. Conor Brann - TBC - 20 - GK

Defenders (10)
3. Pharrell Johnson - 2024 (2025 Option) - 19 - DC
4. Tom Clayton - 2024 - 22 - DC Out until April
5. Frazer Blake-Tracy - 2024 - 27 - DLC
12. Tom Brewitt - 2024 - 24 - DC
14. Brooklyn Genesini - TBC - 21 - D/WBRL
17. Williams Kokolo - 2024 - 23 - D/M L
18. Reece Devine - 2024 - 21 - D/WBL Out long term with hamstring injury
22. Udoka Godwin-Malife - 2025 - 23 - DRC
24. Conor McCarthy - Loan - 25 - DC - Loan from Barnsley until EOS
31. Harrison Minturn - 2025 - 19 - DC

Midfielders (8)
6. George McEachran - 2024 - 22 - MC
8. Saidou Khan - 2024 - 27 - MC
12. Jake Cain - 2025 - 21 - MC
15. Sean McGurk - TBC - 20 - MRL
19. Tariq Uwakwe - 2024 - 23 - D/WB/ML - Impact Injury, out until end of April
20. Dawson Devoy - 2024 (Loan) - 21 - MC - Loaned from MK until EOS
26. Anton Dworzak - 2025 - 18 - MC
29. Ricky Aguiar - 2025 - 22 - MC

Forwards (6)
7. Zach Elbouzedi - 2024 (Loan) - 25 - FRL - Loaned from AIK until EOS
9. Paul Glatzel - 2024 (2025 Option)  - 22 - ST
10. Harry McKirdy - Loan - 26 - ST
11. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy - 2024 - 24 - ST
23. Aaron Drinan - TBC - 25 - ST
32. Charlie Austin - 2024 - 34 - ST

OUT ON LOAN (2)
27. Tomi Adeloye - 2024 - 27 - ST - Loaned to Partick Thistle until EOS
28. Tyrese Shade - 2024 - 23 - MRL

YOUTHS
With squad numbers

33. Joel McGregor - MF
34. Archie Milne - MF
35. Jaxon Brown - MF
36. Sonny Hart - DF
37. Harvey Fox - YTH- 18 - D/ML (extended scholarship for the 23/24 season)
38. Abu Kanu - FW - Injured until EOS (ACL)
39. Kian Larkins - MF
40. Harley Hunt - DF
41. Miles Obodo - FW
42. Josh Keyes - MF
43. Fletcher Hubbard - MF
45. Finlay Adams - DF
46. Harry Gray - MF
47. Redman Evans - GK
48. George Alston - DF
49. Liam Hutt - MF


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, July 1, 2022, 09:45:36
Cheers Nemo!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 1, 2022, 09:47:10
Grand, can edit this one.

Anyone know anything about what's going on with the youth teamers? Seem to have been no announcements either way outside of Minturn and Cowmeadow getting a contract.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, July 1, 2022, 10:02:02
What's happening with Parsons, strange not signed unless he thinks he can do better elsewhere?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Friday, July 1, 2022, 10:17:58
What's happening with Parsons, strange not signed unless he thinks he can do better elsewhere?
If he does,I would suspect him of being delusional


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 1, 2022, 14:10:52
Looks like we’re going to have a lot height in the squad this season. Hopefully a few more goals from headers. I think it was 3 last season which was pathetic.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, July 1, 2022, 16:40:42
When was the last time we had a proper right back under contract? (Rather than on loan).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, July 1, 2022, 16:41:50
Hunt and Caddis?  Egbo was under contract too.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 07:18:09
This has all turned Reg all of a sudden..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 08:03:20
Parsons in the squad today for the Melksham game.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 08:37:35
When was the last time we had a proper right back under contract? (Rather than on loan).

Egbo isn't really a full back is he? Like Kerslake and Summerbee and a bunch of players we've played out wide, you wouldn't be comfortable with them defensively in a traditional back four.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 08:56:54
Parsons in the squad today for the Melksham game.
Gas beat Melksham 6-1 last night


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 09:20:00
Grand, can edit this one.
Sorry probably had something to do with me splitting the original post :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 09:28:05
Parsons and Dabre sign 1 year extensions


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 10:08:03
Parsons in the squad today for the Melksham game.
Do you know who else will be playing?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 10:17:41
Do you know who else will be playing?

Team sheet is in the pre season friendlies thread


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 10:21:08
Team sheet is in the pre season friendlies thread
To be honest I think it’s a bit of a speculative team sheet - it’s basically just anyone who is contracted and then has “trialists” at the bottom. Probably not much research or ITK informing it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, July 2, 2022, 10:58:14
Team sheet is in the pre season friendlies thread
Cheers


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 08:47:42
Parsons and Dabre sign 1 year extensions
Was Dabre out of contract or offered new and improved terms? I don’t remember him being listed on the initial reports of OOC players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob1978 on Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 08:58:47
Think Dabre was 1 year with option for another year.
Also don't forget when talking about new contracts McKirdy, Iandolo and Gladwin signed theirs before the season ended.
So in total new contracts have been offered and accepted by McKirdy, Iandolo, Gladwin, Baudry, Parsons.
We've only missed out on Egbo and Wollacott so far - who knows if Egbo can put together a full season in the EFL and Wollacott will be distracted by internations.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 09:05:22
So in total new contracts have been offered and accepted by McKirdy, Iandolo, Gladwin, Baudry, Parsons.

+ William + Reed.

Its not clear which were offers and which were "automatic" but its a financial commitment.

We also lost AK too, we did offer.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 09:22:24
Was Dabre out of contract or offered new and improved terms? I don’t remember him being listed on the initial reports of OOC players.

Dabre was offered a new contract - he was out of contract, he was part of the list of "offered new contracts" with Parsons


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, July 5, 2022, 12:22:52
+ William + Reed.

Its not clear which were offers and which were "automatic" but its a financial commitment.

We also lost AK too, we did offer.

Williams Reed- automatic year options triggered - on basis we didn’t make a song and dance about announcing them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 10:44:13
First post update, I dropped the youth team section altogether as the club seem to have not updated anything.

Clear gaps are mostly in wide positions now. Attached a depth chart thing, which is all the rage these days.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 10:50:06
My Plymouth supporting cousin says Massey is a wide attacker in the McKirdy mode not so much used as a striker at Plymouth youths.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 10:52:38
Clear gaps are mostly in wide positions now.

Definitely need 2 x Strikers in my book. Wakeling/Massey surely not set for the lead role.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 11:09:37
Definitely need 2 x Strikers in my book. Wakeling/Massey surely not set for the lead role.
Agreed, 2 proper strikers with strength, pace, who can sometimes head a ball, have at least 2 season loan experience in first teams  in L2 or conference minimum and who know where the net is.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 11:31:26
Agreed, 2 proper strikers with strength, pace, who can sometimes head a ball, have at least 2 season loan experience in first teams  in L2 or conference minimum and who know where the net is.

The problem is why would a team loan a player to a league 2 team again.
They would presumably look to loan them to someone at a higher level, unless they didn’t do particularly well.

Based on that I think we are either getting someone who is getting their first go at first team football, or who played in the National league last  season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 12:04:29
The problem is why would a team loan a player to a league 2 team again.
They would presumably look to loan them to someone at a higher level, unless they didn’t do particularly well.

Based on that I think we are either getting someone who is getting their first go at first team football, or who played in the National league last  season.
Absolutely hence my stating L2 OR Conference, which appears to be far more likely, like Josh Neufville from Luton or similar ex Conference loanee from last season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 12:05:03
we could buy one if we can find a released one, loan the other.

I take your point on it being 'first go at league football'.

we will have to get lucky to done extent. I think most of us are that a "proven ' striker is out of budget


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 12:06:13
I fear the chances of finding another Simpson, ready for the first team straight off the bat though could be rare.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 6, 2022, 12:09:48
we could buy one if we can find a released one, loan the other.

I take your point on it being 'first go at league football'.

we will have to get lucky to done extent. I think most of us are that a "proven ' striker is out of budget

I know it's probably seen as 'short termism' but I reckon Danny Hylton (there are possibly similar examples) from Luton is a superb signing for Northampton and surely one that could have potentially been within budget. It may turn out that Wakeling might turn out to be a lower league Salah and young Tyrese Simpson did well for us until January but there are 'proven' strikers out there that I reckon we could push the boat out for.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 9, 2022, 11:35:33
Squad churn for L2



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 9, 2022, 11:37:03
Wonder if that includes Payne or not. He's probably 5 to 10 percent on his own.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, July 9, 2022, 13:26:10
Wonder if that includes Payne or not. He's probably 5 to 10 percent on his own.

Well he has effectively left the club at this moment in time so it should include him


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 11:43:54
Squad list seems to be missing the detail of the loaning club


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:35:33
Incoming -  since the transfer rumours thread has been locked


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:35:34
Seeing as someone seems to have (accidentally?) locked the transfer rumours thread, official Twitter has posted some teases of a new signing coming shortly. Whoever it has very skinny legs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:36:09
Looks like the liverpool lad mango mentioned from the video


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:36:35
Tom Clayton?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:50:37
Looks like it is Tom Clayton


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:54:32
So assuming a back 5 (sadly) we need what 6 CB's, we now have Baudry, Brennan, Harries, Clayton & Minturn (seems i have to include youths) then we can only expect 1 further CB. Damn we need an experienced player there capable of playing most games.

Interesting that its a perm, for an undisclosed fee though. This feels like the sort of player that has a chance of turning a profit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:56:29
Scotland Under 21. Seems highly rated from a brief google. Anyone got anymore on him?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:57:02
Yes, a permanent signing. That is interesting, I'd assumed this one was a probable loan. He's a CB that can play in midfield, so looks like we're heading towards three at the back.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:58:02
https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1546860724789645317

We've paid money for him too.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 13:58:57
Sorry, don't know what happened with Transfer Rumours thread but it's unlocked now.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:01:29
Sorry, don't know what happened with Transfer Rumours thread but it's unlocked now.
Fucking idiot


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:04:11
Was fully expecting this to be a loan.
The captain of Liverpool's U23's wouldn't be coming here to sit on the bench & make up the numbers.

Possibly a significant sell on included in the deal.
Is this a new tactic for Prem clubs to shift the talent in their human warehouses given the limitations on number of loans?

Got a good feeling that this will be a very decent signing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:05:15
The squad is now 20 - two keepers, seven defenders, six midfielders and five forwards (counting Clayton as a defender and Iandolo as a midfielder). Not including Hunt, Payne or Lyden.

Clayton sounds promising. He looks absolutely skeletal in the Twitter videos mind. Assuming he's a left sided CB, our squad looks something like this... (missing Cowmeadow, sorry lad)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:05:19
Sorry, don't know what happened with Transfer Rumours thread but it's unlocked now.

Was it the shock of Audrey getting one right?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:05:44
Was fully expecting this to be a loan.
The captain of Liverpool's U23's wouldn't be coming here to sit on the bench & make up the numbers.

Possibly a significant sell on included in the deal.
Is this a new tactic for Prem clubs to shift the talent in their human warehouses given the limitations on number of loans?

Got a good feeling that this will be a very decent signing.

Just posted on the other thread, mate of mine watches the under 23s at Kirkby and likes the lad


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:06:06
Liverpool 23s captain. Left footed and can play midfield from what I’ve read. On paper looks a very good bit of business.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:08:44
So that’s the squad up at 20 players, surely the last youngster now and remaining spots are reserved for a bit of experience?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:09:27
Yeah looks much more like the sort of young signing i expected, as opposed to the Massey/Wakeling ones.

My current logic on incomings is if they get 2 year deals they are expected starters, 1 years are a bit more of a gamble for squad positions. Outside loans of course.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:14:32
I've seen quite a few snarky happy clapping comments on social media about what sort of signing people wouldn't moan about and would like the look of.

Well this is what it looks like chaps.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:24:10
I've seen quite a few snarky happy clapping comments on social media about what sort of signing people wouldn't moan about and would like the look of.

Well this is what it looks like chaps.
Oh there are people still moaning. Which are who i assume the snarky happy clapping comments are about


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:29:03
My sarky hand clapping comments were about the ticket prices.

HTH.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:31:45
If you don't think that signing a Scotland U21 and Liverpool U23 captain looks good on paper then you probably can't be pleased.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:33:21
If you don't think that signing a Scotland U21 and Liverpool U23 captain looks good on paper then you probably can't be pleased.
Agree mate. A few have been very meh that can't be denied but i think as someone alluded to above, the contacts probably show which ones we think are punts and squad fillers and who we rate as 1st team


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 14:38:37
If you don't think that signing a Scotland U21 and Liverpool U23 captain looks good on paper then you probably can't be pleased.

100% this. Shade was the only one out of the 6 or 7 so far that had impressed me, but for me this is a proper piece of business and even better that we still have 3 loan spots left.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 15:05:22
This is exactly the type of player that you would expect with the new model, players that could be sold for north of £1m if they live up to their potential.

The main thing now is making sure we have the team/squad around him that will allow him to realise his potential


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 15:13:25
This one is certainly a bit more Peterborough than Poundland.

Just need a few older heads to take the pressure off development.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 15:15:39
How much longer are we giving Payne to sort his shit out?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 15:19:13
How much longer are we giving Payne to sort his shit out?

Surely either way by the end of this week, his wage money could be used elsewhere is he isn't signing a new deal with us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 09:08:41
Just posted on the other thread, mate of mine watches the under 23s at Kirkby and likes the lad
My mate...who you have met at a Town game, is a Liverpool season ticket holder and he watches all their U23 games too and he says hes a really classy defender, skinny but a good tackler and passer and can head a ball too.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 09:15:36
My mate is a Liverpool season ticket holder and he watches all their U23 games too

Jesus, has he thought about getting out more...  ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 10:05:24
Jesus, has he thought about getting out more...  ;)
Hes disabled so doesnt get out much for anything other than football.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 10:24:35
Hes disabled so doesnt get out much for anything other than football.
Well that killed that conversation JJ


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 10:30:50
Well that killed that conversation JJ
:D true though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 10:33:37
:D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:13:26
Ronan Darcy being announced now on official Twitter. Assume that's the end of Payne, but hope not.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:16:56
2 year deal


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:25:08
Another (undisclosed) fee paid.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:26:29
Another day another player signed for money. Huge club.

Maybe there will be funds for a striker or is that too optimistic?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:40:45
Too young
Too inexperienced
Not Jack Payne


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:47:54
From a Bolton fan "His most natural position is CAM, he is too lightweight to be playing as more of a conventional Central Midfielder and hasn't really got the engine to be box-to-box based on what I have seen of him. On the ball he can really make things happen with brilliant close control and good weight of pass, it's the off the ball stuff he needs to work on."


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:51:10
Sorry, being thick now...CAM is (presumably) Central A.... Midfield....what's the missing word?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:52:16
Attacking


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:52:29
Sorry, being thick now...CAM is (presumably) Central A.... Midfield....what's the missing word?

Attacking!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:56:06
Is that known as a number 10 in modern parlance?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 13:57:59
No. It’s known as Payne’s position!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:02:40
When was the last time we made two signings two days in a row costing money.....anyone? Two decades plus I'm guessing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:05:18
Attacking!
:doh: Had to be something obvious  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:08:59
No. It’s known as Payne’s position!

You know that the world doesn't end if Payne doesn't sign right Aud?  Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:11:42
I reckon Payne is as good as gone now with that signing. Disappointing as he is my favourite Town player of the last 10 years, possibly since Matt Ritchie. To counter balance that though, very encouraged that we are making permanent signings. Last season's so called 'season long loans' screwed us up big time....


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:18:07
I'd have rather kept Reed personally if it was a choice of picking one midfield player to keep. If we manage to keep Payne it would be fantastic but I'm 99% consigned to him leaving.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:19:43
You know that the world doesn't end if Payne doesn't sign right Aud?  Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but..
Oh, I agree. If he goes, he goes. Not holding my breath. Needs sorting now - either way.

I’d imagine the last 2 signings equate to Payne’s salary. Good business, I reckon.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:41:21
I'd have rather kept Reed personally if it was a choice of picking one midfield player to keep. If we manage to keep Payne it would be fantastic but I'm 99% consigned to him leaving.

Agree 100%


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:50:06
I'd have rather kept Reed personally if it was a choice of picking one midfield player to keep. If we manage to keep Payne it would be fantastic but I'm 99% consigned to him leaving.

I'm kind of torn between the importance of both players and I'm probably just on the side of Louis Reed, I reckon he makes the team tick and never really seems to have a terrible game. Don't get me wrong, Payne is class but if Darcy can step up and be 3/4 of the player Payne is, we have a more than adequate replacement I reckon at a much lower price point and a higher potential ceiling I guess?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:54:20
When was the last time we made two signings two days in a row costing money.....anyone? Two decades plus I'm guessing.

Closest I can find so far is six days in January 2019

18 JAN 2019    Tom BROADBENT    Bristol Rovers Undisclosed fee ()
24 JAN 2019    Taylor CURRAN    Southend United Undisclosed fee ()


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:55:17
Only thing with Payne is the McKirdy factor. Without Payne around keeping him somewhat in check will he same player on the pitch and behaviour wise. Get the impression Payne was a massively positive influence on McKirdy last season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 14:57:22
Closest I can find so far is six days in January 2019

18 JAN 2019    Tom BROADBENT    Bristol Rovers Undisclosed fee ()
24 JAN 2019    Taylor CURRAN    Southend United Undisclosed fee ()

You little tinker! There is no way we paid cash money for Taylor Curran!!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:00:11
Only thing with Payne is the McKirdy factor. Without Payne around keeping him somewhat in check will he same player on the pitch and behaviour wise. Get the impression Payne was a massively positive influence on McKirdy last season.

Yeah i've mentioned this about McKirdy as well. In a lot of his Social Media posts it did come across that the players were tightly bonded (even the loanees) especially Jack and Harry who seemed to form a lovely bromance. I actually get the feeling that McKirdy may have matured a little based on last season, I reckon he probably now has the belief back in himself that he must have lost at Port Vale. If we can get the Mckirdy of last season firing again, we're in for a tasty season I reckon!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:01:20
You little tinker! There is no way we paid cash money for Taylor Curran!!

Are you doubting the ever brilliant swindon-town-fc.co.uk  ;)

FWIW we more than paid for Curran in lost points.  ::)

Looking at it we went on quite the spree that window as there is also

31 JAN 2019    Cameron MCGILP    Birmingham City Undisclosed fee ()


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:01:56
You little tinker! There is no way we paid cash money for Taylor Curran!!
Not to Southend anyway!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:05:34
Not to Southend anyway!

Was it cash in brown envelopes or duffle bags?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 15:27:23
Was it cash in brown envelopes or duffle bags?
I think with the fate Southend have suffered since then it’s safe to say dodgy stuff was probably going on there.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 16:20:57
Only thing with Payne is the McKirdy factor. Without Payne around keeping him somewhat in check will he same player on the pitch and behaviour wise. Get the impression Payne was a massively positive influence on McKirdy last season.
Believe it or not Adam Hart was the biggest influence on McKirdy last season 😳


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 17:20:50
Closest I can find so far is six days in January 2019

18 JAN 2019    Tom BROADBENT    Bristol Rovers Undisclosed fee ()
24 JAN 2019    Taylor CURRAN    Southend United Undisclosed fee ()

The difference being Curran paid us (well his Dad did)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 17:24:59
Believe it or not Adam Hart was the biggest influence on McKirdy last season 😳
Interesting... Can you tell us any more?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 17:32:46
Believe it or not Adam Hart was the biggest influence on McKirdy last season 😳

What's his role at the club? He's not listed in the "Who's who" (although it does need updating)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 18:58:33
My understanding is that he is just part of the fitness team but is close to some of the players which naturally you would be. He is part of the fitness company i believe. I have met him a fair few times and will always take people at face value and i can't speak highly enough of him, seems a nice bloke, polite etc.

Obviously has an absolutely horrific past but I really am not the person to judge someone on that, i like to judge people on the now and he seems to have turned his life around. Until theres evidence they are robbing us blind taking money and smuggling midgets to Karachi all we can do is trust who is in charge but still ask the questions


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 19:15:43
midgets to Karachi you say.

is that a Priti Patel sponsored policy


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 19:25:02
midgets to Karachi you say.

is that a Priti Patel sponsored policy
Sponsored by Michael Standing  ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 19:29:36
My understanding is that he is just part of the fitness team but is close to some of the players which naturally you would be. He is part of the fitness company i believe. I have met him a fair few times and will always take people at face value and i can't speak highly enough of him, seems a nice bloke, polite etc.

Obviously has an absolutely horrific past but I really am not the person to judge someone on that, i like to judge people on the now and he seems to have turned his life around. Until theres evidence they are robbing us blind taking money and smuggling midgets to Karachi all we can do is trust who is in charge but still ask the questions

What if there is evidence of smuggling regular sized people to Karachi, would that still be ok in your book?



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 19:31:33
What if there is evidence of smuggling regular sized people to Karachi, would that still be ok in your book?


Sick bastard


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 19:39:01
Sick bastard

Whilst it’s Noble of you to stick up for the little people in this instance

Regular Sized Lives Matter, too


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 13, 2022, 21:40:14
Sponsored by Michael Standing  ;)

Careful, you know that people don’t like you stating things as facts, you might upset a few..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 07:30:22
Careful, you know that people don’t like you stating things as facts, you might upset a few..
:eek:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, July 14, 2022, 09:26:49
:D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 15, 2022, 16:10:11
khaaaaaaaaaan!

he's arrived


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 15, 2022, 16:14:36
"activated his release clause" sounds like a not inconsiderable fee.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 15, 2022, 16:20:25
Yeah. He wouldn’t have a release clause if it wasn’t fairly substantial.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 15, 2022, 16:23:22
"activated his release clause" sounds like a not inconsiderable fee.

Doing well with these budget cuts aren’t we!

Must have been paying Conroy 100k a week if we’ve slashed the budget & buying players…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, July 15, 2022, 16:39:06
When you consider we're most likely going to be playing 352, it's hard to see where Jack Payne fits in now. Especially as highest earner. We're stacked in midfield.

I'd still be over the moon if he signs mind.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 15, 2022, 17:13:20
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remeao_Hutton


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, July 15, 2022, 17:36:05
When you consider we're most likely going to be playing 352, it's hard to see where Jack Payne fits in now. Especially as highest earner. We're stacked in midfield.

I'd still be over the moon if he signs mind.

im still worried by the 3-5-2 especially at home. Changing to a back ultimately got us to the playoffs but not doing it sooner cost us the autos.

i genuinely think at league 2 level you cant start with 3cbs when the visiting team sits in with 1 up top. simply out numbered. we would always need an early goal to get the benefit of the formation and if that doesn't happen you end up with the shit we saw last season at home.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Friday, July 15, 2022, 17:43:21
im still worried by the 3-5-2 especially at home. Changing to a back ultimately got us to the playoffs but not doing it sooner cost us the autos.

i genuinely think at league 2 level you cant start with 3cbs when the visiting team sits in with 1 up top. simply out numbered. we would always need an early goal to get the benefit of the formation and if that doesn't happen you end up with the shit we saw last season at home.

You can. But the two CBs on the right and left need to be prepared to play a bit wider in those circumstances. Defenders that have played CB and FB in there time help.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: hefty toe on Friday, July 15, 2022, 17:53:16
im still worried by the 3-5-2 especially at home. Changing to a back ultimately got us to the playoffs but not doing it sooner cost us the autos.

i genuinely think at league 2 level you cant start with 3cbs when the visiting team sits in with 1 up top. simply out numbered. we would always need an early goal to get the benefit of the formation and if that doesn't happen you end up with the shit we saw last season at home.

It worked fine in an attacking sense under Cooper/Williams in the playoff season. Just depends how you play it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Friday, July 15, 2022, 18:07:19
"activated his release clause" sounds like a not inconsiderable fee.

£50k I believe..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, July 15, 2022, 18:50:45
It worked fine in an attacking sense under Cooper/Williams in the playoff season. Just depends how you play it.

less worried in league 1. we arent the big fish so to speak. league 2 the vast majority would be happy to come and target a point. if our attacking options do indeed improve this season- especially from the bench then it may well be different. we shall see!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 15, 2022, 19:02:49
incoming

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1548024011451289606?t=FFj42jGzGvjYKO3xHLVi0Q&s=19


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 15, 2022, 19:06:26
That’s Adeloye I reckon


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 15, 2022, 19:10:37
The 3 today. Hutton is Hunt’s replacement. Khan is Payne’s replacement and Adeloye is taking up the vacant striker slot.

Sound about right?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 15, 2022, 19:12:35
confirmed Adeloye


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 07:33:10
The 3 today. Hutton is Hunt’s replacement. Khan is Payne’s replacement and Adeloye is taking up the vacant striker slot.

Sound about right?
I think that sounds a fair assumtion.

Experienced right back....check.
(sort of) Experienced attacking midfielder...check.
(sort of) Experienced striker.....check.

Now another striker needed, maybe a young loan to challenge Adeloye, similar style big, strong and quick to change it about when its not working and I think the squad will be pretty much there.

Plus any other additional loan slots for players.

No idea how we will line up as first choice at the moment though but Lindsey seems to prefer 3 CB's 2 wing backs and it appears to be a 3511 style formation. But, that could be due to that being the formation that the current players felt comfortable playing and with the new additions we may change that around when/if it doesnt work.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 07:49:15
Squad shaping up nicely now. Maybe one more defender, anything else is a bit of a bonus from here.

Suspect we'll be looking to loan out two of Parsons/Cowmeadow/Massey/Dabre


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 07:56:09
Squad shaping up nicely now. Maybe one more defender, anything else is a bit of a bonus from here.

Suspect we'll be looking to loan out two of Parsons/Cowmeadow/Massey/Dabre

Looks alright but I’m guessing Iandolo might be seen more as CM than a LWB

Whilst I’ve never seen him play I was under the impression Dabre was a winger. So not sure where he fits in with a 352 unless he could do a job at LWB

Also intrigued as to whether we get some loans in so we can loan some of the youngsters out…or…whether the likes of Massey, Wakeling, Darcy, Clayton have been bought here to be involved from the off.
I guess being able to make five subs makes blooding youngsters easier


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:13:39
Looks alright but I’m guessing Iandolo might be seen more as CM than a LWB

Whilst I’ve never seen him play I was under the impression Dabre was a winger. So not sure where he fits in with a 352 unless he could do a job at LWB
I agree, Dolo is a much better midfielder than LB/LWB and should be utilised as such.

As for Dabre he has played LB/LWB/LW and has also played a couple of games on the right side too, flexible and is like a wasp, constantly running around irritating opposition, good close control and quite quick but will play anywhere he can even though hes just about 5 foot 6.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:23:32
I agree, Dolo is a much better midfielder than LB/LWB and should be utilised as such.

As for Dabre he has played LB/LWB/LW and has also played a couple of games on the right side too, flexible and is like a wasp, constantly running around irritating opposition, good close control and quite quick but will play anywhere he can even though hes just about 5 foot 6.

I think most would agree about Ian Dolo but whether Lindsey does, who knows. He might see him as a LWB or even a left sided CB?

Although from my own personal perceptive I’d swap Ian Dolo and Dabre on Nemos depth chart thingy


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:31:25
I think most would agree about Ian Dolo but whether Lindsey does, who knows. He might see him as a LWB or even a left sided CB?

Although from my own personal perceptive I’d swap Ian Dolo and Dabre on Nemos depth chart thingy
It was Lindsey that originally spotted Dolo and brought him to the club but yes it is where SL decides he is best.

But yes I would agree Swap Dabre and Dolo 100%.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:38:20
Dabre and Cowmeadow are both proper wingers really right? Probably means they don't quite fit, I think they've both played wing back a bit but hard to know where they'd fit into a 3 5 2. Probably increases the chance of them going out on loan.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:44:09
I get the feeling that our wing backs are going to be more wing than back.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:45:07
I'd loan Massey, Parsons, Cowmeadow, Dabre and Minturn out. But only after the Paint Pot Trophy games are completed or whatever it's called now.

Parsons' next step needs to be National League. Dabre too if anybody would take him. May have to settle for upper end of NLS.

Massey and Cowmeadow to Chippenham would be a good first loan. Send them for a month, see how they get on.

Minturn I really like and may need to stay for cover unless we bring in another center back. Again a national league loan could do him wonders.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 09:27:48
I'd loan Massey, Parsons, Cowmeadow, Dabre and Minturn out. But only after the Paint Pot Trophy games are completed or whatever it's called now.

Parsons' next step needs to be National League. Dabre too if anybody would take him. May have to settle for upper end of NLS.

Massey and Cowmeadow to Chippenham would be a good first loan. Send them for a month, see how they get on.

Minturn I really like and may need to stay for cover unless we bring in another center back. Again a national league loan could do him wonders.


I also like look of Minturn, thought he was solid vs supermarine and didn’t look out of place in mens football, all accounts did really well in short stint at Chippenham last season. I’d keep him also and actually in an ideal world have 1 more centre half so we’ve got a back up for the 3 starters.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 11:09:44
I also like look of Minturn, thought he was solid vs supermarine and didn’t look out of place in mens football, all accounts did really well in short stint at Chippenham last season. I’d keep him also and actually in an ideal world have 1 more centre half so we’ve got a back up for the 3 starters.



I imagine we'll sign the ex Swansea CB.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 13:23:41
I assume our link with Villa has disappeared with the previous management team, wasn't it said when we played Man City that they said they would do something with us assume loaning players, not seen or heard anything


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 13:27:49
I assume our link with Villa has disappeared with the previous management team, wasn't it said when we played Man City that they said they would do something with us assume loaning players, not seen or heard anything
I saw nothing at all in writing or in the press confirming this from either club at any official level.

Only a few posts on social media from fans, so I doubt you can read anything into that as official.

All I heard was that Man City were very happy with how the club treated them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 13:29:35
I saw nothing at all in writing or in the press confirming this from either club at any official level.

Only a few posts on social media from fans, so I doubt you can read anything into that as official.

All I heard was that Man City were very happy with how the club treated them.

I thought it came from Rob or Clem...maybe it didn't


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 13:31:08
I thought it came from Rob or Clem...maybe it didn't
If you can find that then please do post as I never personally saw that, I am happy to be proved wrong, but I heard nothing even close to that other than that Man City staff and players felt well treated by us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, July 16, 2022, 13:41:41
Yeah they seemed impressed with the set up but there was nothing like that promised.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 17, 2022, 20:39:46
So what's everybody's thoughts on who we've replaced our outgoings with?

For me, when it's laid out like below, we still need a few high calibre players to come in.

Jojo = Brynn

Conroy = Harries

O'Brien = Minturn (If first team)

Egbo = Shade

Hunt = Hutton

Tomlinson = Devine

Cooper = Brennan

Odimayo = Clayton

Davison = Adeloye

Payne = Khan

East = Darcy

JML = Wakeling

Barry = Massey


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Sunday, July 17, 2022, 21:04:25
So what's everybody's thoughts on who we've replaced our outgoings with?

For me, when it's laid out like below, we still need a few high calibre players to come in.

Jojo = Brynn

Conroy = Harries

O'Brien = Minturn (If first team)

Egbo = Shade

Hunt = Hutton

Tomlinson = Devine

Cooper = Brennan

Odimayo = Clayton

Davison = Adeloye

Payne = Khan

East = Darcy

JML = Wakeling

Barry = Massey
A few unknown quantities in there. I think there may well be a few upgrades as well as a few down grades. Bit of a mixed bag. Will be interesting to see how these players compare to their predecessors in 6 weeks time. Be prepared for surprises (good and bad). My spidey sense says that Wakeling will be an upgrade on JML and Brynn may end up being an upgrade. I would like to think Darcy will be better than East too.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, July 17, 2022, 21:57:24
There's still some work to be done, either Payne stays and we look stronger than that or a direct replacement is brought in on a decent wage, probably not what we offered Payne himself you'd assume but a player expected to be integral to the squad. 

When I say direct replacement I don't necessarily mean his position or playing style, we may already have that pretty covered, more a player that will be one of the first names on the team sheet week in, week out.  What I mean is a player that would be as important to us as he would be were he to stay.

The money is obviously there for this type of player if we still have an offer on the table for Payne and you would assume work is being done to reallocate it promptly as soon as we know for sure his intentions.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, July 17, 2022, 22:00:52
Also, East may actually be an OK player but when you are forced to compare anyone to Reed in that position they're going to look mediocre as he's up there with peak Kasim for me, exceptional player for this level.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 18, 2022, 06:43:44
Quickly deleted but . ..



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 18, 2022, 07:24:15
Am I missing something?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Monday, July 18, 2022, 07:42:46
Quickly deleted but . ..


Yeah I don’t understand?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Monday, July 18, 2022, 07:44:25
Is your mrs not into water sports


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, July 18, 2022, 07:46:13
Am I missing something?

Really don't get how people don't understand this...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Monday, July 18, 2022, 07:47:04
Really don't get how people don't understand this...
What is the significance of this with regards to the squad?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 18, 2022, 07:53:46
Let’s be real, we’ve all seen Harry stick his tongue out…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 18, 2022, 08:03:16
Really don't get how people don't understand this...

I understand the context of the photo, I just don’t understand why it’s been posted?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 18, 2022, 08:05:33
I understand the context of the photo, I just don’t understand why it’s been posted?

Jack Payne's nickname is 'squirt' and this is a subliminal way of saying he's signed a new contract?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Monday, July 18, 2022, 09:21:15
Jack Payne's nickname is 'squirt' and this is a subliminal way of saying he's signed a new contract?
Interesting…I didn’t realise this!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 18, 2022, 09:23:24
How did he get the name😀


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Monday, July 18, 2022, 09:27:37
How did he get the name😀
Anyone on the short side used to get called Squirt in my younger days


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 18, 2022, 09:28:33
Interesting…I didn’t realise this!

Not sure it’s remotely true


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, July 18, 2022, 09:31:05
I like how I tried to start a discussion comparing outgoing and incoming players and it's resorted to a discussion on squirting.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 18, 2022, 09:50:31
Interesting…I didn’t realise this!

I made it up, but you knew that surely? :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 18, 2022, 10:07:15
Johnny Leighfield reporting Payne will join Charlton later today


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 18, 2022, 10:11:22
Johnny Leighfield reporting Payne will join Charlton later today

A shame, but good luck to him and at least we have certainty and can free up any budget we had set aside. He gave us one year more than he needed to, and for that I'll always hope he does well. Sure others will feel differently, but there you go.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 18, 2022, 10:12:07
I reckon we’ve already reallocated Payne’s salary on who we’ve signed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 18, 2022, 10:48:33
Reading Baudry in t’Adver today it sounds like he’s going to be more coach than player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, July 18, 2022, 11:04:42
Earlier than normal if anyone watches live😀

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Scott joins Vic to discuss pre-season, transfers and a whole lot more.

Join us on Monday 18th July at the earlier time of 5pm!!!

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Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, July 18, 2022, 11:37:09
A shame, but good luck to him and at least we have certainty and can free up any budget we had set aside. He gave us one year more than he needed to, and for that I'll always hope he does well. Sure others will feel differently, but there you go.
I suspect he gave us one more year because he was on a lucrative contract. I doubt whether he could get anyone to match it.

This year though, he was presumably offered less by us, but more by Charlton. I suspect the reason it dragged on was to get the last dregs out of the previous contract. Then, to negotiate how much Charlton were willing to pay over how long.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:09:10
So a reference from a reliable Ayr fan on our latest addition:

So Tomi, he's a bit high maintenance, but 14 goals in 30 games for a team at the wrong end of the table wasn't too bad. Played in a very isolated position for Ayr, not a lot of support most of the time.
Some of the Ayr fans had a go at him when he left, moaning about his workrate, but it comes across as sour grapes to my eyes.

I'm sure he'll do a job for you, but he's not as good as he thinks he is.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:13:01
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX8vMt9X0AInjPE?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:13:28
dead to me


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:23:07
dead to me
Me too


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:32:50
Loves the club, allegedly offered more money and still left.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Qunk on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:52:41
Good luck. No hard feelings from me


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:53:04
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX8vMt9X0AInjPE?format=jpg&name=small)

Nah mate,off you must fuck


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, July 18, 2022, 12:55:57
Was disappointed with him in L1 but he was playing in a terrible side. Put heart and soul into his performances last year and seemed like a great character within the squad. Wish him the best in his career after Charlton, but as for them they can do one.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 18, 2022, 13:01:26
Was disappointed with him in L1 but he was playing in a terrible side. Put heart and soul into his performances last year and seemed like a great character within the squad. Wish him the best in his career after Charlton, but as for them they can do one.

I actually thought Payne was passable in L1, that season was one to forget for pretty much everyone but in a season of shite, I thought Payne did ok. Last season he was class and will be hugely missed.

Deserves his crack at L1, huge shame it's not with us but I hope he does well. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, July 18, 2022, 13:27:41
No melt down from me. Was consigned to it. Although if he'd signed for Crawley that really would have pissed me off.

Now don't sell Reed or McKirdy and start stringing some performances together.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 18, 2022, 13:44:18
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
No melt down from me. Was consigned to it. Although if he'd signed for Crawley that really would have pissed me off.

Now don't sell Reed or McKirdy and start stringing some performances together.

^^^^ this


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, July 18, 2022, 15:55:19
Lindsey just said Gladwin is 5 kilos lighter this season. Wow

Said he was too pedestrian last season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 18, 2022, 16:00:02
Does look very slim and a bit more mobile.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, July 18, 2022, 19:50:08
Lindsey just said Gladwin is 5 kilos lighter this season. Wow

Said he was too pedestrian last season

5kg causing him to be a bit slower last season or not (having lost/gained double that between 'seasons' when I was playing football regularly myself I am not convinced), he definitely looked sharper in the pre season matches compared to last season. Fingers crossed we get a Di Canio-era gladwin and not the slightly more stationary gladwin we've seen at times. I would say that he is the type of player who never appears to be moving at the greatest speed, which does lead to some detractors, but as an engine he is great.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, July 18, 2022, 20:10:27
I once saw a QPR fan tell a Blackburn fan on twitter that Gladwin is quality when he isn’t towing his caravan around the pitch. I don’t think I ever saw a more apt description of him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 18, 2022, 20:21:15
I’m not convinced Gladwin’s mobility issues have ever been a consequence of his weight but what do I know?

Cant hurt I suppose


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, July 18, 2022, 20:31:12
5kg causing him to be a bit slower last season or not (having lost/gained double that between 'seasons' when I was playing football regularly myself I am not convinced), he definitely looked sharper in the pre season matches compared to last season. Fingers crossed we get a Di Canio-era gladwin and not the slightly more stationary gladwin we've seen at times. I would say that he is the type of player who never appears to be moving at the greatest speed, which does lead to some detractors, but as an engine he is great.

Being pedantic, because I know what you’re referring too, but the di canio era gladwin was treading the boards at various m4 corridor non league sides


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 00:02:46
I once saw a QPR fan tell a Blackburn fan on twitter that Gladwin is quality when he isn’t towing his caravan around the pitch. I don’t think I ever saw a more apt description of him.

I like that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 07:59:14
Being pedantic, because I know what you’re referring too, but the di canio era gladwin was treading the boards at various m4 corridor non league sides

Marlow wasn't it? Everytime I think of Marlow I always say it in the voice of Boycie from Only Fools and Horses in my head!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 08:07:26
Marlow wasn't it? Everytime I think of Marlow I always say it in the voice of Boycie from Only Fools and Horses in my head!
:)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 08:55:38
Marlow wasn't it? Everytime I think of Marlow I always say it in the voice of Boycie from Only Fools and Horses in my head!

Prior to that the mighty AFC Wallingford, on old work colleague of mine played in the same team


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 09:06:07
Being pedantic, because I know what you’re referring too, but the di canio era gladwin was treading the boards at various m4 corridor non league sides

Pedantically correct to pull me up on it, I don't know why I conflate Gladwin's time here with Di Canio, but I always do.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 21:03:14
Prior to that the mighty AFC Wallingford, on old work colleague of mine played in the same team

I was born in Wallingford.
Used to be some decent fishing down there 😎


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 12:16:32
Am i the only one who thinks we're in need of a left sided forward? in the 'Barry' type mould.

Squad seems very shaped up for 352 but we need to be adaptable and switch to 433.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 13:42:20
Am i the only one who thinks we're in need of a left sided forward? in the 'Barry' type mould.

Squad seems very shaped up for 352 but we need to be adaptable and switch to 433.
I think we will see a loanee come in for that or possibly some faith shown in one of the newer lads alongside McKirdy and the new number 9


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 15:39:07
Surely Wakeling has done enough to expect a starting place? I know people were dismissive of his loan at Barrow, but they were struggling against relegation, and not interested in the finer details of pure football. He has shown a lot of energy and skill in the friendlies.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 15:44:11
Won't know squad numbers until Harrogate, I guess?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 15:54:59
Won't know squad numbers until Harrogate, I guess?

Dunno, the line up for Eastleigh had some strange numbering (caught me eye hence I remembered and looked back) which seemed to go beyond what one would normally expect for a pre-season 1-11 + subs?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXyibz5VUAMpUGo?format=jpg&name=small)

If so there is no no.9 which hopefully bodes well for a 1st choice striker being expected to land?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 15:58:34
I'm sure those will turn out to be the squad numbers. Too random not to be....

Edit: the lad from Ayr could get no.9...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 16:11:59
If Wakeling is capable of playing off the left and cutting in then I'm fine with that.

I just worry that if anything happens to McKirdy, 433 becomes incredibly hard to play. Unless you play Shade or Hutton as a 'forward'.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 16:16:11
Yeah probably too random not to be the new squad numbers, unless a few have just stuck with what they had last season as not been asked yet. Would have thought Ward would take up #1 if he was given the option.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 18:36:17
I don't think Ward is No.1 - we will see who plays against Cardiff at the weekend


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:09:22
Quote from: Berniman
I don't think Ward is No.1 - we will see who plays against Cardiff at the weekend

Would be a bit odd to serve Brynn out to sit on the bench

maybe we'll ease him in like we did the BFG


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:14:37
I don't think Ward is No.1 - we will see who plays against Cardiff at the weekend
That's born out by the numbers allocated at Eastleigh i.e Brynn 1, Ward 12...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:22:45
Would be a bit odd to serve Brynn out to sit on the bench

maybe we'll ease him in like we did the BFG

Yep, Benda obviously was brought in with an expectation of playing but wasn't number 1 until mid October. I expect Ward to be in goal against Harrogate, but Brynn to play more over the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Crozzer on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:31:24
Is Brynn the Big F%$#ing Teesider (BFT)?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:34:42
Is Brynn the Big F%$#ing Teesider (BFT)?

Or as they are referred to in Smoggy Land.

BF T wo heads.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:36:33
your not benching brynn. hes no.1.
player of the season award and team of the year. there you go


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:40:55
I just want whoever is in goal to take the pressure off the defence by coming and claiming all these corners and free kicks we kept conceding last season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 19:47:14
I just want whoever is in goal to take the pressure off the defence by coming and claiming all these corners and free kicks we kept conceding last season.

Brynn can do all that without jumping. fucking giant


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 20:03:01
Brynn can do all that without jumping. fucking giant

The internet (which admittedly isn’t always reliable) suggests he’s 6ft.
Not sure that’s puts him in the giant category.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 20:19:11
The internet (which admittedly isn’t always reliable) suggests he’s 6ft.
Not sure that’s puts him in the giant category.
6'4"...still not giant but a good size for a keeper...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 22, 2022, 04:53:32
You wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of Khan by the look of him. New General?



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 22, 2022, 13:48:39
Aguiar extends contact by 3 years


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 22, 2022, 13:49:11
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/new-deal-for-ricky-aguiar/

Ricky Aguiar signs a three year contract.

Don't see many of those at Town. Have we given one out since the Gareth Whalley fiasco?

Edit: I checked. Taylor fucking Curran got one.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, July 22, 2022, 13:58:13
Curran would've still been under contract last season, wouldn't he?

That would've been a bit awkward had he not left.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, July 22, 2022, 14:08:11
Curran would've still been under contract last season, wouldn't he?

That would've been a bit awkward had he not left.

Wasn't he under contract to his Dad  :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jimbob on Friday, July 22, 2022, 14:47:08
Hope I’m proved wrong but Ricky for me isn’t pacey enough for centre mid and he isn’t going to gain any more pace at his age. I understand he’s young but I also don’t think he’s good enough-particularly for a 3 year contract. Tag me in when I’m proved wrong 😃


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, July 22, 2022, 14:55:52
You can get by ably in centre mid without being quick, if other attributes are there. Take Andrea Pirlo. Hardly a whippet. What Aguiar has is an eye for goal, particularly from range, and a range of passing. This could be his breakthrough season, although the sheer numbers in centre mid mean a Conference or other L2 loan could do him wonders to get game time.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 22, 2022, 15:12:02
Doughty was a bit of a slouch but I’d imagine most would sell their granny to have him playing back here


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, July 22, 2022, 15:35:12
None of our midfield are overly quick, cost use hugely last year


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, July 22, 2022, 16:31:52
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/new-deal-for-ricky-aguiar/

Ricky Aguiar signs a three year contract.

Don't see many of those at Town. Have we given one out since the Gareth Whalley fiasco?

Edit: I checked. Taylor fucking Curran got one.

Happy with this and relieved to see us tie down our young talent. He clearly has tremendous technical ability and potential.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 22, 2022, 16:36:35
The game at home against Walsall when we won 5-0 was when he shone and scored 2 fine goals the second a beauty arriving late to smash home. That game showed glimpses of what he is capable of. We are well stocked in midfield but its great to have options like R.A, especially as we cab use 5 subs this season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, July 22, 2022, 16:41:50
The game at home against Walsall when we won 5-0 was when he shone and scored 2 fine goals the second a beauty arriving late to smash home. That game showed glimpses of what he is capable of. We are well stocked in midfield but its great to have options like R.A, especially as we cab use 5 subs this season.
I imagine he could be a good choice for free kicks if we don’t farm him out on loan. There were some clips on Twitter of a “control and shoot” drill poster a few weeks ago and his technique and power from the shot was excellent.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Friday, July 22, 2022, 16:56:56
You know what, it’s just nice to have options for once.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 22, 2022, 17:58:00
China Red just told me we nearly signed Will Grigg according to Sandro. Is he pulling my leg?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 22, 2022, 18:06:17
China Red just told me we nearly signed Will Grigg according to Sandro. Is he pulling my leg?
Was this on the TalkSport interview that I asked someone to summarise because I was unable to listen?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: 1989Monkey on Friday, July 22, 2022, 18:09:13
Was this on the TalkSport interview that I asked someone to summarise because I was unable to listen?

No it was on the bbc wilts phone in. Caught the last 15mins where he mentioned this and also an unnamed midfielder which would have been a marquee signing but signed for a league 1 club instead


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 22, 2022, 18:12:25
No it was on the bbc wilts phone in. Caught the last 15mins where he mentioned this and also an unnamed midfielder which would have been a marquee signing but signed for a league 1 club instead

The midfielder sounds like Jack Payne, no?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 22, 2022, 18:13:25
I'd rather not know😀


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: 1989Monkey on Friday, July 22, 2022, 18:19:46
The midfielder sounds like Jack Payne, no?

That was my initial thought. I can’t think of any other midfielder league 1 signings that I would have been really impressed with


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 22, 2022, 18:31:37
Was this on the TalkSport interview that I asked someone to summarise because I was unable to listen?

You can listen now on BBC Sounds...

https://twitter.com/bbcwiltssport

Just scroll down a little bit...





Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, July 22, 2022, 20:05:07
Sandro waffles a bit but I do like him.

Slightly disappointed that he only sees our budget as just above mid table given the reduction in debt, season ticket sales and attendances from last year. And any Twine money that we may / may not have seen yet.

Look, I know a bag of money has never won a football match and it's how you spend it that counts, but i'd of liked to have seen us in the top 6/7 of budgets at least. Maybe we still will be by the end of august.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 22, 2022, 20:16:28
Maybe we are top 6 or 7 in terms of budget, the number and quality of signings we've made suggest we could be. He's bound to play it down though...

He's growing on me though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, July 22, 2022, 20:28:57
I suspect he's been downplaying the budget to agents and was trying to be very careful with his words as negotiations are ongoing.  We will be top 6ish but clearly Stockport, Crawley, Salford will be miles ahead of us.

Most interesting comment was that Reed and Williams both were on 2 year deals even though we were under embargo and could only sign 1 yr deals.

 Wonder if they were backloaded so £1500 last year and £4k this year as it was a shock to sign them given the state we were in.

Really like Sandro, ticks alot of boxes, let's hope the many new faces perform as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 22, 2022, 20:48:14
Actions speak louder than words and given that we appear to have made some pretty decent signings so far, I like him a lot more than I did. If those signing live up to their promise, I'll like him even more.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, July 22, 2022, 21:09:10
I suspect he's been downplaying the budget to agents and was trying to be very careful with his words as negotiations are ongoing.  We will be top 6ish but clearly Stockport, Crawley, Salford will be miles ahead of us.

Most interesting comment was that Reed and Williams both were on 2 year deals even though we were under embargo and could only sign 1 yr deals.

 Wonder if they were backloaded so £1500 last year and £4k this year as it was a shock to sign them given the state we were in.

Really like Sandro, ticks alot of boxes, let's hope the many new faces perform as well.

I don't know but would imagine Bradford, Mansfield & Northampton are also ahead of us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, July 22, 2022, 21:35:03
Reece Brown fits the bill


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, July 22, 2022, 22:01:42
There is a January transfer window too you know. 😉


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 22, 2022, 22:21:11
Sandro interview summary:

Data:
- Trying to do what Brentford (and Brighton) have done with data. Data is a big part but not the only part. There is style of play, philosophy and letting people move on.

Simpson:
- Would like to own players like him and showcase him rather than get loan players.
- Only worth £600k is someone will pay it

Loans:
- Don't know whether we will use last 3 loans. Know what areas of the squad we want to improve. We will now get the best players to improve the team, whether that is perm or loan
- Sandro doesn't like loans at the top of the pitch as that is where the most money can be made from developing your own
- Would like to tap into the top teams' U23s and thinks we are an attractive proposition

Strikers:
- Stats last year showed we were poor finishing from 12 yards. We have identified someone we want, who is a fox in the box. If a really good, big number 9 became available, we might go for that too.
- Don't think we *have* to strengthen up top as we have options. But we may be a little light up top. We will only strengthen with the right player

Squad:
- Need a balance of youth and experience to get the best out of everyone

Data:
- Got into it through betting industry and working in odds compilation and risk management
- Moved into PR. Built relationships in the game
- Brentford and Brighton model well established, but lower clubs weren't using it.
- Geek at heart and set up a consultancy to help clubs he'd built up PR relationships with
- Opta is the market leader. AI is used to gather data for providers. Club have contracts with several data providers. Need a good team of analysts to interpret the data and provide it to the management team.
- STFC's use is innovative, but didn't want to reveal how or why.
- More emphasis placed on videos and scouting data plus GPS data. Harder to get with less experienced players. Its harder and takes a little longer to consider

Pitch:
- Looking at 'marginal gains'. Wind is one, so there is some merit in putting wind breakers in, but its not that simple.

Most exciting signings:
- Angus MacDonald is most exciting signing to Sandro. Ball playing defender who has an impressive record and outstanding credentials (In interview he said wanted to move closer to family although his partner is from oop north)
- Tom Clayton is a project and will take time to develop. Needs to put on muscle. A Lpool U23 captain and Scottish international
- Saidou Khan is technically gifted, but is robust and provides something different to last year's midfield, the way he drives forward. Exceptional in NL last year. Data is also very good.
- Tome Adeloye looks good. Scotland is an untapped area. Got international clearance today.

Hunt, Payne, Lyden & Budgets:
- Hunt: Offer put to him. He's a free agent now. Surprised someone hasn't snapped him up. Sure it won't be long before he's signed
- Payne: Wanted to play at the highest level possible. Made best offer we could
- 40% Figure: The figure, how its been previously been stated, was misleading. We have a competitive budget. That will be upper mid table. We had one of the lowest budgets last year. Would love more of a budget, but we can't compete financially
- Lyden: Not under contract, but we have duty of care to help him rehab. He has been great to have around. September/October time will be when the situation is reviewed.

Odds on Promotion?
- Models tell him that we around 5-1 or 6-1
- Salford, Bradford, Mansfield, Northampton, Stockport and Crawley are the teams to watch

Kit:
- Saw there were some shirts in the club shop today, but didn't know details

Manager Selection Process?
- Easiest thing would have to have brought his own man in
- Delayed decision to do due diligence
- Went through a full process when talked to candidates and sporting directors
- Made sure successful candidate was aligned to plans for style, philosophy etc
- Not many people out there who share the same values. Lindsay was the best candidate and at the same time offered continuity and stability
- There are a lot of people in football who would say anything to get a job. Said they were bought in, but demostrated quickly that they weren't

Marquee Signing:
- Angus MacDonald is one
- Protracted conversations with Sol Bamba. Got really close and agreed terms. But he had some family issued in Portugal, which ment he couldn't commit at this time.
- Got really close with some others, including Will Grigg and a midfielder who signed for a L1 club
- Marquee signings aren't necessarily whats not needed. Some who don't appear marquee can turn into them

Data Analysts:
- Brighton and Brentford staff are the best in the country

Aguilar:
- See him as the future of our midfield. Serious jump last year

U23s:
- A team costs a lot of money. We have U18 and then map out where we want them to go on loan
- Dabre and Parsons good example. More will likely go out this year

Cardiff & Worthing:
- Strong squad vs Cardiff
- Bit of a mix that will go to Worthing

Williams, Reed & McKirdy
- Said he thought they had signed 2 year deals before he arrived
- Everyone has a price.

Coaching:
- Might have something to announce about an addition to coaching staff next week


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: donkey on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 04:58:20
Sandro interview summary:

Data:
- Trying to do what Brentford (and Brighton) have done with data. Data is a big part but not the only part. There is style of play, philosophy and letting people move on.

Simpson:
- Would like to own players like him and showcase him rather than get loan players.
- Only worth £600k is someone will pay it

Loans:
- Don't know whether we will use last 3 loans. Know what areas of the squad we want to improve. We will now get the best players to improve the team, whether that is perm or loan
- Sandro doesn't like loans at the top of the pitch as that is where the most money can be made from developing your own
- Would like to tap into the top teams' U23s and thinks we are an attractive proposition

Strikers:
- Stats last year showed we were poor finishing from 12 yards. We have identified someone we want, who is a fox in the box. If a really good, big number 9 became available, we might go for that too.
- Don't think we *have* to strengthen up top as we have options. But we may be a little light up top. We will only strengthen with the right player

Squad:
- Need a balance of youth and experience to get the best out of everyone

Data:
- Got into it through betting industry and working in odds compilation and risk management
- Moved into PR. Built relationships in the game
- Brentford and Brighton model well established, but lower clubs weren't using it.
- Geek at heart and set up a consultancy to help clubs he'd built up PR relationships with
- Opta is the market leader. AI is used to gather data for providers. Club have contracts with several data providers. Need a good team of analysts to interpret the data and provide it to the management team.
- STFC's use is innovative, but didn't want to reveal how or why.
- More emphasis placed on videos and scouting data plus GPS data. Harder to get with less experienced players. Its harder and takes a little longer to consider

Pitch:
- Looking at 'marginal gains'. Wind is one, so there is some merit in putting wind breakers in, but its not that simple.

Most exciting signings:
- Angus MacDonald is most exciting signing to Sandro. Ball playing defender who has an impressive record and outstanding credentials (In interview he said wanted to move closer to family although his partner is from oop north)
- Tom Clayton is a project and will take time to develop. Needs to put on muscle. A Lpool U23 captain and Scottish international
- Saidou Khan is technically gifted, but is robust and provides something different to last year's midfield, the way he drives forward. Exceptional in NL last year. Data is also very good.
- Tome Adeloye looks good. Scotland is an untapped area. Got international clearance today.

Hunt, Payne, Lyden & Budgets:
- Hunt: Offer put to him. He's a free agent now. Surprised someone hasn't snapped him up. Sure it won't be long before he's signed
- Payne: Wanted to play at the highest level possible. Made best offer we could
- 40% Figure: The figure, how its been previously been stated, was misleading. We have a competitive budget. That will be upper mid table. We had one of the lowest budgets last year. Would love more of a budget, but we can't compete financially
- Lyden: Not under contract, but we have duty of care to help him rehab. He has been great to have around. September/October time will be when the situation is reviewed.

Odds on Promotion?
- Models tell him that we around 5-1 or 6-1
- Salford, Bradford, Mansfield, Northampton, Stockport and Crawley are the teams to watch

Kit:
- Saw there were some shirts in the club shop today, but didn't know details

Manager Selection Process?
- Easiest thing would have to have brought his own man in
- Delayed decision to do due diligence
- Went through a full process when talked to candidates and sporting directors
- Made sure successful candidate was aligned to plans for style, philosophy etc
- Not many people out there who share the same values. Lindsay was the best candidate and at the same time offered continuity and stability
- There are a lot of people in football who would say anything to get a job. Said they were bought in, but demostrated quickly that they weren't

Marquee Signing:
- Angus MacDonald is one
- Protracted conversations with Sol Bamba. Got really close and agreed terms. But he had some family issued in Portugal, which ment he couldn't commit at this time.
- Got really close with some others, including Will Grigg and a midfielder who signed for a L1 club
- Marquee signings aren't necessarily whats not needed. Some who don't appear marquee can turn into them

Data Analysts:
- Brighton and Brentford staff are the best in the country

Aguilar:
- See him as the future of our midfield. Serious jump last year

U23s:
- A team costs a lot of money. We have U18 and then map out where we want them to go on loan
- Dabre and Parsons good example. More will likely go out this year

Cardiff & Worthing:
- Strong squad vs Cardiff
- Bit of a mix that will go to Worthing

Williams, Reed & McKirdy
- Said he thought they had signed 2 year deals before he arrived
- Everyone has a price.

Coaching:
- Might have something to announce about an addition to coaching staff next week
Cheers for that write up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 06:01:03
Yeah, thanks. I think this bit was my favourite:

“There are a lot of people in football who would say anything to get a job.” I wonder who he had in mind in particular?

He’s made a decent first impression. I like most of what he has to say, just Hope it works out on the pitch.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 06:08:27
He’s spot on about leaving the striker positions to perm signings and not loans as that’s where the money is if we’re adhering to the new model.

It’s exactly what Peterborough do - almost all there big money transfers are them selling strikers. Certainly can’t think of any other positions where they’ve sold for big money.

Obviously we’re starting off from a lowish level but it’s about building year on year and us fans can’t start whinging when a player is sold. We’re already actually paying transfer fees now so that’s a start.

If ever the phrase speculate to accumulate is apt it’s this way of doing business.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 06:31:13
I wonder why he would name Will Grigg and not the 'mystery' midfielder?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 07:19:39

fans can’t start whinging when a player is sold. We’re already actually paying transfer fees now so that’s a start.


Yes but we need to get out of this shit league first before we start selling our best assets every year. League one is where the money is and that's where we need to be. No good making a quick 300k here and 400k there if it's going to be detrimental to our promotion chances. I understand the money would be reinvested but I think there's certain scenarios where I'd prefer to keep a player and he leaves on a free rather than cashing in. For example we could probably sell Reed for a few hundred thousand but replacing what he brings us will be extremely difficult.

Once you get to league one, good seasons from players turn the transfer fees from the low to mid hundred thousands to potentially the millions.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 07:19:52
He’s spot on about leaving the striker positions to perm signings and not loans as that’s where the money is if we’re adhering to the new model.

It’s exactly what Peterborough do - almost all there big money transfers are them selling strikers. Certainly can’t think of any other positions where they’ve sold for big money.

Obviously we’re starting off from a lowish level but it’s about building year on year and us fans can’t start whinging when a player is sold. We’re already actually paying transfer fees now so that’s a start.

If ever the phrase speculate to accumulate is apt it’s this way of doing business.

Peterborough made a lot of money on Ryan Bennett (centre back) but that was very much the exception not the rule, otherwise it's all central strikers or goalscoring wide forwards.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 07:34:42
Sandro waffles a bit but I do like him.

Slightly disappointed that he only sees our budget as just above mid table given the reduction in debt, season ticket sales and attendances from last year. And any Twine money that we may / may not have seen yet.

Look, I know a bag of money has never won a football match and it's how you spend it that counts, but i'd of liked to have seen us in the top 6/7 of budgets at least. Maybe we still will be by the end of august.

I would imagine once our internal debt has gone the shackles will be off a bit more.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 08:08:02
Yes but we need to get out of this shit league first before we start selling our best assets every year. League one is where the money is and that's where we need to be. No good making a quick 300k here and 400k there if it's going to be detrimental to our promotion chances. I understand the money would be reinvested but I think there's certain scenarios where I'd prefer to keep a player and he leaves on a free rather than cashing in. For example we could probably sell Reed for a few hundred thousand but replacing what he brings us will be extremely difficult.

Once you get to league one, good seasons from players turn the transfer fees from the low to mid hundred thousands to potentially the millions.


I suppose we’ll find out soon enough if we fend off offers for McGirty and Reed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 08:16:01
I wonder how realistic new deals are for the pair of them.

McKirdy would probably value the security of a 3 year contract given he was struggling to even find a club last summer. Could work for both parties.

Reed would be more difficult.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 08:35:25
Twitter reckons Pompey are all over signing McKirdy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 08:43:56
I am pretty confident neither McKirdy or Reed would sign extentions at this point.

I am preparing to lose at least 1 if not both before the end of the transfer window.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 08:52:33
Well, our model is to buy cheap and sell high so both should be sold. Hence when I posted earlier about us fans shouldn’t whinge when it happens.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:08:39
Well, our model is to buy cheap and sell high so both should be sold. Hence when I posted earlier about us fans shouldn’t whinge when it happens.

Our model also includes winning football matches though, right?

I get your point but late July - is not the time to be selling your squads top players - even with decent money on the table, it doesn’t give us enough time to sign any replacements and get them gelled into the team.

It’s counter productive at this point - we’d probably lose money on finishing position / tv revenue / ticket sales in the long term.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:11:26
My interpretation is that the focus of the model is to develop young talent & then sell them on.

For core players it would be more a case of "everyone has their price" and then it would be at club discretion as & when values are met & if they want to move on of course.
McKirdy & Reed are established pros who would be difficult  to replace like for like and without setting us back.
So maybe a separate strategy in place to the "model" in their case.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:11:50
The thing is we have ALWAYS been a selling club and always will be, so its not a huge change for us to accept.

We just have to ebrace the players we have when they have great seasons, of which we have had many through the years but not many last more than just a couple of seasons.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:24:08
Well, our model is to buy cheap and sell high so both should be sold. Hence when I posted earlier about us fans shouldn’t whinge when it happens.

Well I absolutely would whinge if that happened because the pair are completely integral to how we play and any success we might have this season.

Once we are out of this shit league then we can faff about trying to flip players because it's a lot easier to not be one of the 4 shittest sides in the division and slowly progress up the table than it is to be one of the best 3 teams in league 2.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:24:45
That's very true re selling club.

The days of a a player sticking around for more than 2 or 3 years on average at our level are long gone.

Would be a minor miracle for a player to reach 200 first team apps for Town these days.

#CherishEllis  !!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:37:00
As Sandra said last night, 90 of the 92 Clubs are selling Clubs to a greater or lesser degree.

Re. McKirdy and Reed, all we can do is wait and see. Maybe, just maybe the current management regime will take a different view to those that have gone before and will see the longer term benefits in not cashing in now.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:44:44
Mckirdy is an absolute talisman for the club. I'd definitely be looking to get him tied up to a much longer contract, with a sell on clause so the opportunity isn't closed for Harry to get a big move if he repeats what he did last season. If Harry's head is moved by Pompey's interest then we are in trouble anyway as repeatedly rejecting offers could see Harry throw in a transfer request.

There are many factors to this, I absolutely want to keep Harry, but do we risk keeping him this season and going for a free the end of this? Or of course we get promoted and he signs a new deal with us. Risk v reward.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 09:55:03
Strategy for McKirdy & Reed, albeit to my limited mind, has to be take the risk on promotion this season & then offer much improved terms for L1.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 13:26:22
Swindon Town head coach Scott Lindsey confirms Angus MacDonald will be the club's captain in the 2022-23 campaign. Ben Gladwin will be vice-captain. #STFC


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 17:01:12
I would sell Mckirdy tomorrow if a decent enough offer came in, and use the money to go get Simpson.  Reed would be the one that I would go all out to keep, get him on an improved longer contract ASAP.

Many will disagree I know, but we should sell while his stock is hot, it might not be this high again.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 17:03:36
I would sell Mckirdy tomorrow if a decent enough offer came in, and use the money to go get Simpson.  Reed would be the one that I would go all out to keep, get him on an improved longer contract ASAP.

Many will disagree I know, but we should sell while his stock is hot, it might not be this high again.
I've given this some thought and yeah...I make you right....


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 17:05:26
McKirdy having another season like last is, imo, unlikely.

But if he can contribute 15 goals that's still a very valuable player.

need to add to him, not replaced him.

but 1 year on his contract - money talks.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 17:17:38
I have no reason to think it but i just have a real bad feeling about McKirdy, i said even last season that i just think it is going to end in tears with him throwing the toys out the pram


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 17:45:56
I have no reason to think it but i just have a real bad feeling about McKirdy, i said even last season that i just think it is going to end in tears with him throwing the toys out the pram
If we don’t start well it will get messy with him I reckon, he doesn’t take losing well. He was in a strop at half time against Supermarine as we were so poor.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 19:18:52
I think teams might take a watching brief on McKirdy given his history prior to us to see if he is a one season wonder.

Good start and there could be offers before the end of August. Slow start and they might see what happens by Christmas.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 22:12:35
I just think he hates pre-season, as someone else said earlier/somewhere else. Even his IG he said thank fuck pre season is over.

I do worry we're just one week away from it kicking off but I do hope we're making a fuss abkut nothing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, July 23, 2022, 22:29:44
I would sell Mckirdy tomorrow if a decent enough offer came in, and use the money to go get Simpson.  Reed would be the one that I would go all out to keep, get him on an improved longer contract ASAP.

Many will disagree I know, but we should sell while his stock is hot, it might not be this high again.


…I mean I’d be trying to get Simpson in anyway regardless of McKirdy.

Whilst I take your point - I don’t think many clubs are lining up to pay good money for a player with one good season under his belt particularly considering his previous season were not only poor from a footballing perspective but his attitude / character was questions a lot.

Like I could see a club coming in with a lower ball offer in January when he’s in his last 6 months and we as a club are possible at the ‘get money now or nothing in 6 months’ point…

…but…right now just don’t think the interest is there


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 05:46:44
I’m at peace to just try and enjoy Harry while he’s here.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 06:09:04
Excellent! Championship money more than L1 money.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 06:44:03
Same as most of you - I enjoyed watching McKirdy play. He is exciting and something different on the pitch. (I'm an old fuddy-duddy and don't care much for his 'style' and antics off the pitch). As a football fan, I want to see exciting players like him.

However, I think that conditions were right last year, he was playing with his mates, he was given freedom and license to express himself. Will that happen again? Probably not.

So, if a decent offer was on the table, yes, I would take it.

But, if we are going to be 'treated' to the Cardiff first half level of performance every week, we'd better cash in on the likes of McKirdy, Williams and Reed to get some different kinds of player that will keep us in the league, rather than enable us to challenge for promotion!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 07:42:20
I'd be gutted if we sold McKirdy. I find it a bit puzzling that there seems to be a consensus that Harry is a "one season wonder" for us while assuming that Simpson isn't. McKirdy is a better footballer in my opinion. Maybe wrong but I'm happy to give McKirdy another shot. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be allowed to play with the same freedom,Lindsey saw the benefits of that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 07:47:47
I'd be gutted if we sold McKirdy. I find it a bit puzzling that there seems to be a consensus that Harry is a "one season wonder" while assuming that Simpson isn't. McKirdy is a better footballer in my opinion. Maybe wrong but I'm happy to give McKirdy another shot. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be allowed to play with the same freedom,Lindsey saw the benefits of that.

Mostly agree,

I think the ‘one season wonder’ comes from the fact last season was his only good season.
His previous indicates that last season was an exception.

We’ll see - this season will be telling whether he’s just clicked or had a good season



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 09:37:10
I'd be gutted if we sold McKirdy. I find it a bit puzzling that there seems to be a consensus that Harry is a "one season wonder" for us while assuming that Simpson isn't. McKirdy is a better footballer in my opinion. Maybe wrong but I'm happy to give McKirdy another shot. I'm not sure why he wouldn't be allowed to play with the same freedom,Lindsey saw the benefits of that.
Simpson=19 year old at the time, 1 half season in league football, looked good in 90% of games and at times looked great.

McKirdy=25 years old, 6 seasons in league football but only 1 good season, at times looked very good at times looked disinterested, hence the 1 season wonder label.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 10:18:24
I have no reason to think it but i just have a real bad feeling about McKirdy, i said even last season that i just think it is going to end in tears with him throwing the toys out the pram

It already has and that is a fact. He has been threatening to break his contract by going on holiday during pre season. I hear he is petulant.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 10:20:31
The Simpson obsession from so many of our fans is utterly bizarre imo.

Are we getting Simpson back? why not sell X and buy Simpson? SIMPSON SIMPSON SIMPSON.

I must be remembering a very different Tyreece Simpson to the rest of you. The way some fans go on it's like he was a Charlie Austin / Eoin Doyle.

I don't know if anybody's noticed but we've already replaced Simpson with Adeloye. Who brings a similar goal ratio from last season whilst playing in a side that almost got relegated and I'm also guessing they didn't have the quality of a Jack Payne, Jonny Williams And harry McKirdy supplying him.

If we're going to get a striker now, I want somebody who's more of a fox in the box to compliment the other skillset that McKirdy, Adeloye and Wakeling bring.





Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 10:23:49
Simpson=19 year old at the time, 1 half season in league football, looked good in 90% of games and at times looked great.

If you think Simpson looked good in 90% of games you've clearly been more effected by Josh Davison than I thought.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 10:48:13
IMHO it is hard to disagree with what you’re saying and implying. Simpson was an enigma last season. Indeed the whole season seems so surreal. Who would have guessed looking forward twelve months that we would have had the season we did with the players we did?

So back the Simpson and by default McKirdy. You couldn’t get two opposite and different players if you tried. One untried brick shithouse of a player who we all fell in love with and one scrawny little shithouse of a player who we all fell in love with. One recalled by his parent club just as he hit real form in a team just getting into some real form. The other stayed the course and got better as the season progressed.

So do we sell McKirdy (if a decent offer materialises) to buy Simpson? No. A club like ours with ambition would hang onto the skinny one and buy the big fucker anyway. Now, that assumes we want Simpson in the squad to play alongside McKirdy in the first place. For all we know we may well be talking to the tractor boys and have given the skinny one the nod he’s coming back to help gain auto and by the way you’re going nowhere until the end of the season.

My gut is that Simpson is not coming back and the skinny one is staying. After all if the skinny one sets off at a storm then that’s to our benefit because we want that, so why sell? Equally who is to say that McKirdy does not have break clauses in his contract to leave and or we have not given him the assurance of a big bonus to stay until the end and or a promotion bonus and improved contract for life on L1?

All fun and games. I do get the Simpson, Simpson, Simpson love fest but I don’t share it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 11:25:47
Simpson improved a lot. We would be buying that potential, but it's not guaranteed.

But it's moot. Unless Ipswich make a massive u-turn is not happening. And if they do, surely there will be other interest.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 11:32:39
I liked the way Simpson could score a goal out of nothing and would welcome him back but don't think it will happen.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 11:36:13
Simpson improved a lot. We would be buying that potential, but it's not guaranteed.

But it's moot. Unless Ipswich make a massive u-turn is not happening. And if they do, surely there will be other interest.

Interest? Interesting. I have my thoughts along that line, so where do you see said interest coming from?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 11:54:03
there's always the chance somebody like a Brighton or Brentford might buy him and loan him out for several years.

Even if he does cost 600k, it's relatively risk free for a premier league team.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 11:54:41
Just before the transfer window slams shut, Ipswich will realise they are going to get nowhere near what they want for him and we will do a deal with them.

My own personal opinion on the player...not convinced at this point.

600k....not a chance they get remotely close to that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:23:22
I’m at peace to just try and enjoy Harry while he’s here.

To update, Harry deleted his comment back to the Luton fan.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:26:25
To update, Harry deleted his comment back to the Luton fan.


Wise move.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:34:37
The Simpson obsession from so many of our fans is utterly bizarre imo.
Pretty sure nobody has a Simpson obsession only those who don't like him, you seem to have a Davison obsession it seems.

Simpson is a good talent who loved it at the club and played well for us, no obsession at all, there is no way he will come back and we cant afford him anyway, just stating facts as I see them, of which you blatantly dont agree but its called an opinion.

Would I like to see Simpson back, of course, will we see him back? no, I have moved on, I was answering a question not putting over anything saying I would break the bank for him etc.

FWIW I rate Simpson higher than Davison, thats it, thats my opinion which some don't agree with but its mine, I accept other people opininions I suggest you do too it makes life much easier.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:35:34
The Simpson obsession from so many of our fans is utterly bizarre imo.

Are we getting Simpson back? why not sell X and buy Simpson? SIMPSON SIMPSON SIMPSON.

I must be remembering a very different Tyreece Simpson to the rest of you. The way some fans go on it's like he was a Charlie Austin / Eoin Doyle.

I don't know if anybody's noticed but we've already replaced Simpson with Adeloye. Who brings a similar goal ratio from last season whilst playing in a side that almost got relegated and I'm also guessing they didn't have the quality of a Jack Payne, Jonny Williams And harry McKirdy supplying him.

If we're going to get a striker now, I want somebody who's more of a fox in the box to compliment the other skillset that McKirdy, Adeloye and Wakeling bring.


No obsession from me, if there is a similar type/age player then open to that as well.  Simpson fits with the model that we are trying to follow, young potential that will get better and showed that in his time here that he is able to progress.

The only reason I named Simpson is because he is a known quantity with me, I have seen him play and I saw him improve - I am not a scout so am not party to other players that are out there and available.  In my opinion, the type of player that I saw in Simpson is exactly the type of player that can come in, bring lots of benefit, continue to improve, and will interest Championship clubs should that improvement continue at the rate that we saw in the few months he was with us.

Feel free to swap Simpson with other names of a similar ilk in your vast knowledge of under 23 strikers out there..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:38:34
No obsession from me, if there is a similar type/age player then open to that as well.  Simpson fits with the model that we are trying to follow, young potential that will get better and showed that in his time here that he is able to progress.

The only reason I named Simpson is because he is a known quantity with me, I have seen him play and I saw him improve - I am not a scout so am not party to other players that are out there and available.  In my opinion, the type of player that I saw in Simpson is exactly the type of player that can come in, bring lots of benefit, continue to improve, and will interest Championship clubs should that improvement continue at the rate that we saw in the few months he was with us.

Feel free to swap Simpson with other names of a similar ilk in your vast knowledge of under 23 strikers out there..
Spot on.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:45:20
Interest? Interesting. I have my thoughts along that line, so where do you see said interest coming from?

Peterborough we’re interested in signing him, but it doesn’t fit their model to sign someone for that sort of money. If he were more realistically priced I’m sure they would be interested as they could see a decent potential profit


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:50:28
Anyone know if Simpson has been involved the Ipswhich pre-season friendlies.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:52:11
Pretty sure nobody has a Simpson obsession only those who don't like him, you seem to have a Davison obsession it seems.

Simpson is a good talent who loved it at the club and played well for us, no obsession at all, there is no way he will come back and we cant afford him anyway, just stating facts as I see them, of which you blatantly dont agree but its called an opinion.

Would I like to see Simpson back, of course, will we see him back? no, I have moved on, I was answering a question not putting over anything saying I would break the bank for him etc.

FWIW I rate Simpson higher than Davison, thats it, thats my opinion which some don't agree with but its mine, I accept other people opininions I suggest you do too it makes life much easier.

Look, it's quite common knowledge that our fan base has a thing for ex players and I'm not specifically just talking about members here, other social platforms too. My comment re Simpson is reference to the fans who keep banging the drum about bringing him back as if he was some sort of saviour. He showed promise and yes he was improving, I don't take that away from him, he will go on to have a good career but i'm judging him off what i've seen so far and he was very hit and miss. I watched every game last season, as i'm sure you did too and to say he was good in 90% of games, I have to strongly disagree and so would the people who sit around me in home games.

I'm not sure how to take your last sentence. Just because I find some fans opinions baffling doesn't mean they aren't entitled to them. There's nothing sinister going on here, I put my case forward and you do yours. I enjoy it. It's all opinions at the end of the day. I will come on quite strong when i truly believe something. Just the way I am.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:57:21
Peterborough we’re interested in signing him, but it doesn’t fit their model to sign someone for that sort of money. If he were more realistically priced I’m sure they would be interested as they could see a decent potential profit

I’m thinking league status rather than club. I can see L2 being interested and a smattering of L1 clubs, championship? Not really, at least not yet. If he is good enough for the championship which I have my doubts a club like Ipswich, massive in L1 should likely as not want to keep him to play this season and hopefully offer a new contract if they get promoted back to the championship for next season. However, if they are openly looking to offload him for whatever money they can get then to me that speaks volumes as to his real worth and league playing status. £600k seems to me a cover charge for his wages and development.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 12:59:14
Yeah, Simpson wasn’t good for 90% of our games last season. He definitely lost form after January…


Simpson is a raw, young player with great physical attributes, good footballing attributes and a decent ceiling for improvement.
Exactly the type of player we should be looking to sign, get two season of 20+ goals out of then sell on for a decent profit.

I think the reason he gets mentioned a lot on here is because we know of him. They are probably loads of players like him that would fit out model just we have no idea about 19 year old strikers playing in Preston North End’s (or any other club obvs) U23s


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 13:00:41
Maybe loan him to a league one club like Cambridge, Lincoln, Franchise or Lincoln.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 13:36:34
Quote from: Legends-Lounge
Interest? Interesting. I have my thoughts along that line, so where do you see said interest coming from?

mainly based off media reports other teams were interested until a 600k price was slapped on him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:00:35
Yeah, Simpson wasn’t good for 90% of our games last season. He definitely lost form after January…

He wasn’t with us after January


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:04:13
He wasn’t with us after January
Exactly :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:08:41
He wasn’t with us after January

Exactly :)

^^^


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:13:04
Just looked in on the Charlton forum. They’ve quoted ‘Swindon Twitter’ - whatever that is - that McKirdy is available for £150,000.

Presume that’s just some bloke who posts drivel on Twitter giving his opinion that £150,000 is his worth.

They pick up on it and requoted it as gospel.

I’m all for letting him go, but £150,000 is a fucking joke. A 24 goal striker, even in L2, is worth double that at least.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:16:29
500k or cya later


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:25:56
Absolutely no chance you get 500k for a player with 1 year on his contract in league 2


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:26:49
Just looked in on the Charlton forum. They’ve quoted ‘Swindon Twitter’ - whatever that is - that McKirdy is available for £150,000.

Presume that’s just some bloke who posts drivel on Twitter giving his opinion that £150,000 is his worth.

They pick up on it and requoted it as gospel.

I’m all for letting him go, but £150,000 is a fucking joke. A 24 goal striker, even in L2, is worth double that at least.
I doubt if anyone on the Charlton forum could afford him anyway, tbh.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:27:53
Absolutely no chance you get 500k for a player with 1 year on his contract in league 2

It's cya later than i guess.

I'd rather keep our talisman here, risk losing him on a free and try and get promoted than take 200-300k and potentially bring somebody in who might not know where the goal is.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:28:24
Undisclosed fee 150,000+ would be about right now but much less In January


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:30:27
Charlton got £75,000 for Davison, ffs


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:31:38
It's cya later than i guess.

I'd rather keep our talisman here, risk losing him on a free and try and get promoted than take 200-300k and potentially bring somebody in who might not know where the goal is.
Not that simple though i suppose, you add to the fact you could have a player offerring fuckall because we won't sell him and you can then be cutting of your nose to spite your face


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:33:13
Charlton got £75,000 for Davison, ffs

Under 23


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:33:50
So?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:34:55
3 years younger with more time to progress


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:36:16
I know it's easy to have a pop at Davison but to be fair he is 4 years younger and has just as good as goal to game ratio as McKirdy. I can see why a league 2 club would pay money for him


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:36:28
150k way too light.

But if he wanted to go, and with 1 year left, I wouldn't be surprised.

bit of a worry really. hypothetically


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:37:17
Come off it. Davison with 9 goals, McKirdy with 24.

Plus he would be in demand. Davison is dropping down the League, McKirdy is going up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:38:47
To be fair Aud it's only £75k which you can barely but a new BMW for that amount. If he scores 15-20 goals in a season that's money well spent.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:40:21
Davison is worth £75,000, no doubt. But I’m saying if he’s worth that then McKirdy is worth way more.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:41:29
Come off it. Davison with 9 goals, McKirdy with 24.

Plus he would be in demand. Davison is dropping down the League, McKirdy is going up.
Harry McKirdy scored 8 goals in total four different clubs at the same stage of his career as Davison. I am saying there is 2 different scenarios as to their values. McKirdy will not be in demand at 500k is my point, 150k then yes definetly would be  


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:42:07
Davison is worth £75,000, no doubt. But I’m saying if he’s worth that then McKirdy is worth way more.

Most definitely but only having one year left on his contract may limit the asking price or put clubs off until January.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:44:01
But McKirdy has done it. Davison hasn’t but may do it. Big difference.

He’s got to be worth £300,000 comparing the 2.

Davison only had 1 year


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:56:45
But McKirdy has done it. Davison hasn’t but may do it. Big difference.

He’s got to be worth £300,000 comparing the 2.

Davison only had 1 year
Wouldn't disagree with that


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 14:59:31
Just wondering why a hatful of league one clubs haven't tried to buy him as goal scorers at any level are sought after.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 15:04:45
Maybe our valuation hasn’t been met. Maybe it’s that high on purpose. If McKirdy stays and sees out his contract he’ll need to reproduce last season, or at least get somewhere near, if he’s to get his big(ger) move.

Best scenario, is he stays, we go up, he signs on again.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Ides of March on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 15:05:54
Just wondering why a hatful of league one clubs haven't tried to buy him as goal scorers at any level are sought after.

Suppose when you have the reputation he has alongside only having one successful season, clubs aren’t willing to take the risk until he backs it up with another good season. A high-maintenance player for someone who could easily flop in the division above - especially under the wrong manager.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 15:13:36
Suppose when you have the reputation he has alongside only having one successful season, clubs aren’t willing to take the risk until he backs it up with another good season. A high-maintenance player for someone who could easily flop in the division above - especially under the wrong manager.

Spot on with your comments. He's had a few clubs and it never worked out until last season. There's no doubting his talent but there's also a doubt with his off the field antics which some managers wouldn't let him get away with. The problem we could have now is his agent gets into his head and he starts to lose interest in playing for us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 16:15:00
Suppose when you have the reputation he has alongside only having one successful season, clubs aren’t willing to take the risk until he backs it up with another good season. A high-maintenance player for someone who could easily flop in the division above - especially under the wrong manager.
Spot on, many will want to see if he can be managed by someone else and recreate his form, unless it is Charlton of course


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 16:58:48
Undisclosed fee 150,000+ would be about right now but much less In January

Put the glass down Jim 😉

If Ipswich value Simpson with a £600k tag for a short spell with us and not much more. Against a diminutive skinny whippet with a shit hairstyle (ok the Barnet has been fixed now) who has a few seasons under his belt and 24 goals then £150k is way to low, maybe £400k plus might be fairer valuation.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 17:02:46
Put the glass down Jim 😉

If Ipswich value Simpson with a £600k tag for a short spell with us and not much more. Against a diminutive skinny whippet with a shit hairstyle (ok the Barnet has been fixed now) who has a few seasons under his belt and 2 goals then £150k is way to low, maybe £400k plus might be fairer valuation.

I can't see anything over £200k LL with only one year left on his contract plus some managers might not want his type of personality but hey I may be wrong.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 17:08:54
I do always find these discussions fascinating and probably why most clubs just ignore fans.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 17:45:59
I can't see anything over £200k LL with only one year left on his contract plus some managers might not want his type of personality but hey I may be wrong.
As I may be too ♥️💋


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 24, 2022, 17:53:01
As I may be too ♥️💋

 :nerner:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 25, 2022, 06:05:46
Some Charlton fans expect McKirdy to be announced today!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, July 25, 2022, 06:27:55
I suspect if they are genuinely interested, mckirdy would kick the door down to rejoin Garner and Payne at Charlton.

Let’s hope the rumoured striker isn’t him or this could get very messy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kaufman on Monday, July 25, 2022, 07:14:34
Some Charlton fans expect McKirdy to be announced today!



Had a quick look around their forum and twitter and couldn’t see anything. Not doubting you.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, July 25, 2022, 08:17:34
McKirdy in the current climate is worth about £250k to £300k I would think with add ons for goal targets and promotion etc probably rising to £500k.

If we get that then I think we will be doing ok, Newport lost the league top scorer telford to Creepy for free as they let his contract run out, at least we will get a fee when he does move on, which I feel could be before the end of this transfer window, just my thoughts not based on anything.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: 4D on Monday, July 25, 2022, 08:36:48
Some Charlton fans expect McKirdy to be announced today!

Nah, because a few on here said Garner is not raiding his former club.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 25, 2022, 08:54:28
McKirdy in the current climate is worth about £250k to £300k I would think with add ons for goal targets and promotion etc probably rising to £500k.

If we get that then I think we will be doing ok, Newport lost the league top scorer telford to Creepy for free as they let his contract run out, at least we will get a fee when he does move on, which I feel could be before the end of this transfer window, just my thoughts not based on anything.

I'm broadly aligned with this JJ. I think we'll be lucky to get too much up front and will be recompensed via future performance of Harry. Probably structured something like.

Up front fee: 200-275k
Fee after 50 appearances: 50k
Fee after 100 appearances: 50k
Fee if scores 20+ league goals in a season: 50k
Fee if Charlton win promotion: 100k
Sell on clause : 25% of profit

Something like that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:09:48
[captain obvious]

I can see commercial sense in letting him go if he wants out (and, obviously valuation, met). It becomes kind of inevitable.

The issue is replacing him. We'd only have 5 1/2 weeks to get 2 quality strikers in. Though presumably 1 is already being worked on.

[/captain obvious]
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I'd be very disappointing to lose him


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:14:46
[captain obvious]

I can see commercial sense in letting him go if he wants out (and, obviously valuation, met). It becomes kind of inevitable.

The issue is replacing him. We'd only have 5 1/2 weeks to get 2 quality strikers in. Though presumably 1 is already being worked on.

[/captain obvious]
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I'd be very disappointing to lose him

I'm reasonably confident that the club has been working behind the scenes to cover the eventuality of McKirdy being sold. Sandro and Scott did say that Harry and Reedy have a price and certainly the noises seem to be getting louder that Harry is in demand. The timing is not good at all for our talisman going and if his replacement is a loan striker from a Premier league club, that's not really going to cut the mustard with the majority of the fanbase. In fact anybody to replace Harry is going to be very difficult, a hugely popular character on and off the pitch.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:17:06
I honestly don’t think he will go, I think most of the talk about him going seems to be from our own fans worrying about it.
I don’t think anyone will come in and pay £300k + on a player who’s had one good season and is known to be a bit of a pain in the ass.

With regards to his pre season form, he was pretty average last pre season, and hardly set the world alight in his first 7/8 league games either. In fact, wasn’t he in and out of the team to begin with?



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:22:34
I honestly don’t think he will go, I think most of the talk about him going seems to be from our own fans worrying about it.
I don’t think anyone will come in and pay £300k + on a player who’s had one good season and is known to be a bit of a pain in the ass.

With regards to his pre season form, he was pretty average last pre season, and hardly set the world alight in his first 7/8 league games either. In fact, wasn’t he in and out of the team to begin with?



He's looked fatigued in pre-season ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:25:11
Had a quick look around their forum and twitter and couldn’t see anything. Not doubting you.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:30:21
I honestly don’t think he will go, I think most of the talk about him going seems to be from our own fans worrying about it.
I don’t think anyone will come in and pay £300k + on a player who’s had one good season and is known to be a bit of a pain in the ass.

With regards to his pre season form, he was pretty average last pre season, and hardly set the world alight in his first 7/8 league games either. In fact, wasn’t he in and out of the team to begin with?



Yeah, I don’t think anyone is taking the gamble on a player with one good season at 25 with a reputation / attitude that precedes him.

Now, if he carries on his good form come January when he’s kept form for a season and a half and only has 6 months left on his contract and because almost valueless to us - then I can see other clubs taking the gamble.

I mean, we didn’t even get bids for Charlie Austin after one good season (in league one) but half a season of continued form later, he was gone…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 25, 2022, 09:31:41
the 'news ' could just be this

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/garner-says-addicks-will-work-within-budget-constraints-when-asked-if-aneke-knock-highlights-need-for-extra-striker/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, July 25, 2022, 15:32:19
Have the squad numbers been released yet?

Tried looking online and the squad page on the official site is all over the place


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Monday, July 25, 2022, 15:35:24
Have the squad numbers been released yet?

Tried looking online and the squad page on the official site is all over the place

They are as there were for the Cardiff game.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, July 25, 2022, 15:43:22
They are as there were for the Cardiff game.

OK, Cheers


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 25, 2022, 16:45:45
Looks unlikely Harry will be off to Charlton anyway. Garner is going down the Swindon route of signing a young loanee striker and hoping for the best.

They’re not a happy bunch.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, July 25, 2022, 17:44:58
Mad if the Charlton fans can't see that he has been bought in to pretty much do what he did here just in a higher league


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 07:45:05
Echoing DiV and Quagmire here, I don't think charloon would stump the cash for a player who it is yet to be proven was not just a one season wonder (I don't think he is btw, but more sceptical peopl might), with a year left on his contract, when they could wait until Jan and pick him up with him having proven whether or not he's truly found his goalscoring boots, and only with 6 months left on contract.

I do hope we're at least starting talks with him about renewing, if for no other reason ust so we get top dollar for him if someone comes in. Players have been bought for much more money based off much worse seasons!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, July 27, 2022, 11:20:40
https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1552252738146340864

Squad numbers out. Won't tell us too much, but sort of interesting that Clayton has 4 (the traditional DM number) and Reed has moved to the 5 shirt. Also Adeloye being given the 9 means there's no obviously left open shirt.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kaufman on Friday, July 29, 2022, 06:28:33
Interesting that SL sees Clayton as a centreback.
Just needs more muscle and that’s what the S&C are working on.
He also believes Reed is the tough tackling all rounder holding midfielder when someone suggested Kahn could be that.
The defence makes more sense to me now.
I thought the BBC phone in was one of the better ones for a while.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 29, 2022, 06:34:06
yeah it wasn't bad.

SL also acknowledged we are short of a striker, and while we are working on it we've not approached one yet


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: china red on Friday, July 29, 2022, 07:44:12
He comes across really well, describes them as strikers rather than buying another ‘forward’ player.  Hope he does well and it’s not a huge car crash


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 29, 2022, 08:03:00
yeah, I don't see why anyone would go into the season wishing anything but that

we just don't know


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 29, 2022, 08:36:20
Lindsey interview:

Harrogate:
- Iandalo wont travel to Harrogate - Had a negative response to training. Has a quad injury. Not the same injury as at PV last season.
- Known Iandolo since youth team coaching. Spotted him at a young age and was responsible for getting him a contract
- See him as athletic and versatile. Can play him in different positions
- Devine got through training so will be involved
- Will train locally, then travel, do a stretching session before eating
- Decided upon his team earlier this week. Keeper has been the hardest decision to make. But, this doesn't mean that the person picked is number 1 and the other is number 2. There are two number 1s and they need to fight for the jersey

Striker:
- Tyreece Simpson: Thought he was outstanding for us. Ipswich put a big price tag on him and want to loan him to a L1 club. Would love to have him back, but don't think it would happen. Things might change late in the window if Ipswich can't sort something out.
- We need another striker in. We have earmarked some, but haven't made an approach

Squad:
- We have assembled more depth in the squad than last year
- Will need to send some players out on loan to get game time

Combating the Press:
- Like when teams do that as it gives us the opportunity to take several players out of the game
- Won't apologise for playing long balls when that happens
- Happy with players that he has signed
- A lot of due diligence has been done
- Its a really competitive and hard working team that has lots of depth
- The older players (from last year) have welcomed the new people
- Saidou Khan: Watched him at close quarters. Within the first 30 mins of seeing him, Lindsey was really impressed. He reached out to someone he respects who had worked with him, who gave him a glowing reference. Normally Lindsey takes time to reach a decision, but made a quick one with Khan, as he thinks he is going to be a very good player for Swindon
- Thinks that we have enough experience in the squad and thinks we have enough to be challenging near the top. Its going to be a strong league, but we are going to be very competitive.
- Will start to look to tie down players who are in last year of contract
- Wakeling: Very aggressive Has a hammer left foot. Will score goals from nowhere. Can finish
- McKirdy: Likes to play wide, link play, score at front post
- Adeloye: Physicality, link play, run in behind and win headers. Should do well as (data wise) Ayr are playing at the same level as us in L2.
- Massey: Very quick. Finishes well. Want to progress him.
- Clayton: Very pleased to get that one over the line. He will be a top, top centre half. Need to put muscle and weight onto him. Strength and conditioning team have got him to put 2Kg of weight on him already.

Set pieces:
- Have been working on a few things on the training ground. We weren't good last year and only scored 1 goal all season from them
- Not a massive fan of the long throw, but it is another option.

Gladwin & Williams:
- Yes they can play in the same midfield together
- Gladwin was too pedestrian last year. He can drive with the ball and has done that well in pre-season

Aguilar:
- Played in number 8 position. But can play deeper in the Reed position spraying the ball about
- Think he's got a bright future

Papa John:
- Will take it serious as the prize money is good
- But will give an opportunity to give other players game time.

Management Style?
- Like to be honest with the players. Will tell players why they have been left out
- Hope that breads respect from the players. Remembers Tony Pullis doing the same to him, which motivated him as a player
- Discipline: We have a good Captain and Vice Captain plus Baudry. They will help provide discipline in the squad.

Youth:
- Parsons: Had a decent preseason. There are players in front of him. He is one that might need to go out on loan
- Doesn't want a team of journeymen. Wants young players to come in and grab their shirt

Loans:
- Brynn: Been at Boro. Good keeper. Good with his feet. Made more saves than Ward in preseason. Will get some game time for sure
- Brennan: Strong as an ox and hard as nails. Added aggression in the back line
- We have a lot of good people working behind the scenes. We are building relationships all the time

Sandro Relationship:
- Nice guy and good to work with
- Wants to make sure everything is done right. He is very methodical. Lindsey has been impressed with him

Open training session Monday 1100:
- Recovery session next week
- Passing attacks past mannequins. No contact
- Pictures and autographs after the session
- Want to build relationship with the supporters and fanbase

Harrogate:
- Defensive structure, but counter attack quickly

Lindsey as a person:
- Father played with Keegan and Clements at Scunthorpe
- Uncle played for Scunthorpe too
- Favourite player Kenny Dalglish
- Hardest opponent: Cowley brothers. Never beat them
- Father biggest influence in career
- If not in football, he would be a landlord in a pub
- Hobbies: Paddle tennis
- Car: Just bought a Jaguar
- Fav TV: Only Fools and Horses
- Fav food: Chinese food

Holding Midfielder:
- Louis Reed is one. Can't play in a 2 man pivot.
- Saidou Khan is more of a number 8 driving forward. Strong boy who will make tackles

Recruitment:
- Data: Lots of things that are thrown into an algorithm. This will throw up names. They will then be scouted and watch. Finally checked for character
- Chorley did well for us last year but has moved on
- Lindsey has the final say. He will look at the player and make the final decision. If he doesn't fancy them they are scrubbed from the list

Fitness Work:
- Strength & conditioning team are first class
- We have 25 players with only 1 niggle.
- Have to be clear with players. They have clarity and all the players know their jobs
- Talked about 4 stages of play.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 29, 2022, 08:39:50
Quote
- Car: Just bought a Jaguar

And people think he was the cheap option!  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 29, 2022, 08:58:54
And people think he was the cheap option!  :D
That's what I thought!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, July 29, 2022, 09:17:01
Gladwin on the other hand will be driving with the ball.

Let's hope so.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Lardy Cake on Friday, July 29, 2022, 10:21:48
Thanks NMH for the write up. Much appreciated.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 29, 2022, 11:15:33
Does it sound as if Lindsey is waiting for the possibility of Simpson or will go for someone else in the meantime?

Be a kick in the nuts if becomes available for us and we’ve already signed someone.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Friday, July 29, 2022, 11:40:44
Does it sound as if Lindsey is waiting for the possibility of Simpson or will go for someone else in the meantime?

Be a kick in the nuts if becomes available for us and we’ve already signed someone.

Will also be a kick in the nuts if we hold out for him and end up with a similar situation to last year


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 29, 2022, 16:24:19
I don't think you can wait. it's too risky.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, July 29, 2022, 16:45:41
Does it sound as if Lindsey is waiting for the possibility of Simpson or will go for someone else in the meantime?

Be a kick in the nuts if becomes available for us and we’ve already signed someone.
In the interviews I have listened to with Sandro and Lindsey, they have both said the same:

- Simpson is the type of player that they would like to sign and improve. Ipswich have put an overinflated price tag on him - We can't afford it.

- Ipswich have also said that they would like to loan him to a L1 club to further his development/value. So, we don't have that option.

HOWEVER:
- Lindsey said that things might change at the end of the window. If Ipswich couldn't sell him for that price or if they couldn't loan him to a L1 club then we *might* be able to do business.

- Sandro said that we were primarily looking for a number 10, but if a number 9 became available at the end of the window we would take one too.


 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kaufman on Friday, July 29, 2022, 17:52:43
I was half expecting the new coach to be announced today following what SL said last night.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Honkytonk on Saturday, July 30, 2022, 09:11:18
Great write up NMH, cheers.

All bodes well for upcoming season, looking forward to Khan and Gladwin playing together, have a feeling they could be pretty excellent as a pairing.

Nice to hear they're looking to tie down those last year of contract players too, reading between the lines that means McKirdy to me.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Saturday, July 30, 2022, 09:12:07
Great write up NMH, cheers.

All bodes well for upcoming season, looking forward to Khan and Gladwin playing together, have a feeling they could be pretty excellent as a pairing.

Nice to hear they're looking to tie down those last year of contract players too, reading between the lines that means McKirdy to me.

And Reed hopefully


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 18:25:45
Apparently we turned down £350,000 from Luton for McKirdy. Probably bollocks, but I’d snap their hand off.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 18:27:10
Apparently we turned down £350,000 from Luton for McKirdy. Probably bollocks, but I’d snap their hand off.

I would if we spent the money on a quality replacement!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 18:28:26
I just get the feeling we aren’t going to get the McKirdy of last season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 18:29:33
You get the feeling he won't perform without the quality of Payne around him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 19:05:19
I just get the feeling we aren’t going to get the McKirdy of last season.
I have said this for a while, always had a feeling it's going to end messy. Heard a random rumor today that he was telling people on a golf course he is joining Cardiff


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 19:09:59
One season wonder who peaked last season.
That penalty against Port Vale was basically the end.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 19:40:06
Biggest question is if it doesn’t go for him will he become a disruptive influence? We’ve seen what happens first hand when there’s a fractured changing room when Danny Wilson was in charge.

On the flip side the optics of selling him and the pressure that it would then put onto Lindsey and the owners doesn’t bear thinking about.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, July 31, 2022, 19:52:14
Five league games before the transfer window shuts, It should be pretty obvious by then where his head is at. However I really wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves this month.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 1, 2022, 02:28:32
It does neither party any favours. If he fails to reproduce anywhere near last season’s form his value plummets, equally his chance of a big money move plummets also.

Ditto Reed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, August 1, 2022, 07:00:45
I just get the feeling we aren’t going to get the McKirdy of last season.

Agreed. It all seemed to click for him last year but it could go horribly wrong.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Monday, August 1, 2022, 07:41:25
One season wonder who peaked last season.
That penalty against Port Vale was basically the end.
Amazing foresight!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 1, 2022, 18:31:35
This has appeared on the TWTD Ipswich site. God knows what it means. A random twitter account says McKirdy and Ward have put in transfer requests - the latter because of clashes with Jamie Day. McKirdy + cash for Simpson.

https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/539174/harry-mckirdy/#26

https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-squad/7630/harry-mckirdy


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 1, 2022, 18:46:17
suppose if he wants to go we'd have little choice

assume Simpson plus cash.

not that this is anything but a rumour


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, August 1, 2022, 18:50:18
Yeah, got it the wrong way round. Simpson+ cash for McKirdy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kaufman on Monday, August 1, 2022, 19:05:27
The tweet about Mckirdy and Ward came from a twitter account with no followers and about as many following.

Will see what happens but, you know….


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, August 1, 2022, 19:08:33
All unfounded talk at this stage obviously but...

Might be OK with that, a McKirdy style player might be easier to find from the loan market than a Simpson, yes we got Simpson on loan last term but I don't think he's as common as a Louis Barry for example.  I'm positive he's got a higher ceiling as far as profit goes than Harry does but we might be slightly worse off as far as net goals for go if this were to happen.

All told if this is how we lose McKirdy then I think it could be the best way for it to happen.  He'll always be remembered fondly this way.  I've absolutely loved Harry as a fan and would love to continue to but I don't see a world where Simpson and McKirdy can both exist in our squad where we are now.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, August 1, 2022, 19:44:35
assume you mean financially can't both exist.

clearly could on the pitch!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, August 1, 2022, 19:55:59
If we ended the window without McKirdy but with Simpson, I'd be incredibly disappointed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, August 1, 2022, 19:59:49
If we ended up without McKirdy but with Simpson and another i'd be happy. All opinions though isn't it and very unlikely 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, August 1, 2022, 20:54:07
I have said this for a while, always had a feeling it's going to end messy. Heard a random rumor today that he was telling people on a golf course he is joining Cardiff

Jumping 2 divisions, with his playing record? Ok, we lauded over him last season as either our messiah or talisman, maybe both but as has been pointed out one season out of six is it?

The figure Aud suggested of £350k from Luton (if true) clearly was not enough to trigger a selling clause or if none exists not enough to tempt the club to unload him and bank the cash.

We know there is Circa £700k sloshing around in the system for the Twine sell on, which I’d be fairly confidant was not added into the playing budget, another, say £500k for McKirdy would also likely not be included into the playing budget if he went somewhere but his wages would, so in effect one out, one in plus the striker were looking at and we are trust me on that. There probably are a number of target options for this position we’ve not made a move on because Sandro has them identified but they’re being watched down to the colour of their boot laces right up until the deadline day to get as much data and in person match day contact on them before plunging in, which don’t be surprised involves a transfer fee. Could easily be a loan but we seem to not be shy about opening the piggy bank ATM.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, August 1, 2022, 21:39:11
The tweet about Mckirdy and Ward came from a twitter account with no followers and about as many following.

Will see what happens but, you know….
I sort of hope this is all bogus.....

If McKirdy wants out I fear that he will fall out with the club. I don't think he'll recreate last season for Swindon again, so, much as I'd hate to lose an exciting player, I'd understand if we cash in. But would Simpson want to come here if all the players he played with last year have gone?

I feel sorry for Ward. I don't understand why Brynn was brought in tbh. I think Ward is a good keeper at this level and imho he should have started at the weekend.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 07:31:56
Quote from: Pericardinho
If we ended the window without McKirdy but with Simpson, I'd be incredibly disappointed.

Me too.

unless we ended up with cash that would also be invested into a McKirdy replacement. Trouble is, tick, tock


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 08:36:50
If we ended up without McKirdy but with Simpson and another i'd be happy. All opinions though isn't it and very unlikely 
I agree, but I feel we are more likely to end up with neither IMO.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 09:38:30
assume you mean financially can't both exist.

clearly could on the pitch!

Yes, from a financial point of view, would love to see it on the pitch again.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 10:22:36
As a comparison, Luton have just signed John McAtee from Grimsby for £500,000. He scored 16 goals in the Conference last season- the only decent season he’s had after knocking around non league for years -  he’s in the final year of his contract and is 23 years old.

Now tell me we shouldn’t be looking for similar for McKirdy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 10:33:31
As a comparison, Luton have just signed John McAtee from Grimsby for £500,000. He scored 16 goals in the Conference last season- the only decent season he’s had after knocking around non league for years -  he’s in the final year of his contract and is 23 years old.

Now tell me we shouldn’t be looking for similar for McKirdy.

ONE MIRRION DORRA


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 10:36:25
As a comparison, Luton have just signed John McAtee from Grimsby for £500,000. He scored 16 goals in the Conference last season- the only decent season he’s had after knocking around non league for years -  he’s in the final year of his contract and is 23 years old.

Now tell me we shouldn’t be looking for similar for McKirdy.
The fee is undisclosed and said to be a lot lower up front @ £150k up front plus add ons, also Luton have loaned him back to Grimsby for the season so they are still after a striker so don't rule out McKirdy still being a target for them.

He is also 2 years younger than McKirdy.

Quote
Stockwood has just been on Humberside, says the fee is not £500k, but it includes performance related add-ons and a sell-on. Interest was clear around a month ago. He was never going to sign another contract with us, so it's the best deal we can get. Some money is upfront.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 10:49:20
As a comparison, Luton have just signed John McAtee from Grimsby for £500,000. He scored 16 goals in the Conference last season- the only decent season he’s had after knocking around non league for years -  he’s in the final year of his contract and is 23 years old.

Now tell me we shouldn’t be looking for similar for McKirdy.

It won't be £500k. Closer to 250k with add-ons apparently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 10:50:03
Then even the up front fee should be double. McAtee has only played 46 games in league football, ffs. Age difference should make little difference - 23 or 25.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 10:52:14
Then even the up front fee should be double. McAtee has only played 46 games in league football, ffs. Age difference should make little difference - 23 or 25.

What do you mean double? You mean double the 150k up-front fee for McAtee?

I think 300k plus add-ons would be a fair asking price for Harry. Whether anyone will pay that remains to be seen!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 11:24:07
Yep


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 11:26:07
but how do we get a decent replacement this late. again.

how much of the 300k would we invest


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, August 2, 2022, 11:40:54
but how do we get a decent replacement this late. again.

how much of the 300k would we invest
zero...loan striker.

Every club in L1 and L2 are looking for a striker that can score goals, no club is willing to sell for cheap so we will be looking non league or loan, thats the way it is at the moment.

Many clubs, even in L2, can easily afford a £300k up front fee if those sort of striker are out there, Crawley, Stockport, Bradford, ourselves, Orient, Crewe, Doncaster and Mansfield could probably all afford a fee of that size so the competition would be huge if that sort of player were available.

I think a loan player will be nearer the mark at this stage of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 15:53:04
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/new-deal-for-ellis/?fbclid=IwAR3PwW5JHDsH620qEziUQNitYKoV2Mj5dxYWLpgWzKf4Bfovz0bEaCTuLM4

Two more years for Ellis - would leave him one year short of a testimonial, which must have not happened for a while!


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 15:55:33
meh

I don't wish him ill. He had a good season last season, but aside from that he's had injuries disrupting his career throughout

he only signed a new one in November
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/november/iandolo-pens-new-town-deal/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 16:00:29
I like Ellis.

I do wonder if we're holding him back a bit actually. I know he's had injuries, but if he played every week in midfield somewhere he might fulfil his potential.

At the moment, he's viewed here as a utility player rather than an essential one.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 16:03:06
Last season he played more minutes than anyone else, and had more starts than he'd had in the previous six seasons combined. It's quite hard to shed the "pre-2021" Iandolo from our views of him, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't our first choice left wing back for much of this season. I know people want him to play CM, but the way our squad is built I can't see that being the main place he pitches up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 16:34:17
Always had a lot of time for Iandolo although still not certain where his best position is and that seems to be the opinion of the different managers he has played under. Never going to be a firm fans favourite but is the type of player that every club needs in that he can be slotted into various positions (apart from 'keeper and centre half) and will not look too out of place.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 18:53:43
New loan left back signed. Announced tomorrow (Sandro)

Iandolo out for a couple of months.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:19:11
Iandolo is a great player and a great servant to the club. Has played in some really awful sides and still fucking tried even when other players had given up.

Not since the Thompson not-twins have we had such a good servant.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 19:23:02
no doubting his commitment to the club.

He's played <20 have a season on average though. Not his fault, but value for money?

As long as nobody tried to play him as orthodox left back he's useful. When fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 20:35:57
New loan left back signed. Announced tomorrow (Sandro)

Iandolo out for a couple of months.

Season long loan


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bedford Red on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 20:43:31
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/august/new-deal-for-ellis/?fbclid=IwAR3PwW5JHDsH620qEziUQNitYKoV2Mj5dxYWLpgWzKf4Bfovz0bEaCTuLM4

Two more years for Ellis - would leave him one year short of a testimonial, which must have not happened for a while!

When was the last testimonial match? I remember watching Swindon draw 2-2 with Hibernian in August 1990, that was a John Trollope testimonial. I can't think of any after that but happy to be provide wrong.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bedford Red on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 20:44:07
When was the last testimonial match? I remember watching Swindon draw 2-2 with Hibernian in August 1990, that was a John Trollope testimonial. I can't think of any after that but happy to be proved wrong.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 20:44:12
Digby vs Bristol City?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 20:45:50
When was the last testimonial match? I remember watching Swindon draw 2-2 with Hibernian in August 1990, that was a John Trollope testimonial. I can't think of any after that but happy to be provide wrong.
Steve White had one just before the Prem season. My first ever game. Fjortoft scored I think


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 21:09:30
Digbys was vs Man Utd. I remember going and excitedly knowing none of the players


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 21:17:54
I remember that game. Philippe Cuervo was on trial along with some geezer called Bernard Tchoutang


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 10, 2022, 09:49:23
Christian Roberts had a testimonial, I'm sure of it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, August 10, 2022, 09:50:09
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/4234764.zola-turns-on-style-in-fitting-send-off-for-roberts/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bedford Red on Wednesday, August 10, 2022, 11:48:22
Can't believe i forgot all of those.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Cowley38 on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 10:55:07
I remember that game. Philippe Cuervo was on trial along with some geezer called Bernard Tchoutang

Remember Tchoutang quality player, didn't quite know what he would do, beat 6 players or trip over the ball

But he got the crowd on their feet

Believe we offered him contract but he wanted to much loney...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 12:35:10
Remember Tchoutang quality player, didn't quite know what he would do, beat 6 players or trip over the ball

But he got the crowd on their feet

Believe we offered him contract but he wanted to much loney...

Fucking loney grabber..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 14:35:51
Have been quite pessimistic on here recently about budget for this season and quality we’ve brought in. But one positive thing is the players do really seem to be getting on really well on social media etc, not the most important thing but can at least grind some results out with some character and togetherness in the squad (as last Saturday showed).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trashbat? on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 14:54:20
But one positive thing is the players do really seem to be getting on really well on social media etc,

This is up there with 3 draws is a win  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Super Hans on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 15:03:21
This is up there with 3 draws is a win  :D
It's good though, means they can have a nice gathering when we're relegated to the national league!

***This is a horrible joke***


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 15:07:59
Have been quite pessimistic on here recently about budget for this season and quality we’ve brought in. But one positive thing is the players do really seem to be getting on really well on social media etc, not the most important thing but can at least grind some results out with some character and togetherness in the squad (as last Saturday showed).
I for one am slightly encouraged by this as there had been some whisperings on here that bonds and team spirit between the players weren’t quite what they were last year.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, August 11, 2022, 17:08:32
There were clear divisions between new and old players according to someone on here yesterday, a case of people seeing what they want to again probably.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, August 12, 2022, 12:32:14
There were clear divisions between new and old players according to someone on here yesterday, a case of people seeing what they want to again probably.

Have seen Williams and Darcy integrating, McKirdy with Hutton etc. Doesn't look that bad, but I may not be as ITK as some clearly!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, August 12, 2022, 12:40:25
I'm with you, I was questioning the poster who said there were clear divisions as I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that myself.

It was clear from socials that the team spirit was great last season with a very new squad, just can't see that the players already involved wouldn't integrate the newcomers.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: fuzzy on Friday, August 12, 2022, 12:50:24
Have seen Williams and Darcy integrating, McKirdy with Hutton etc. Doesn't look that bad, but I may not be as ITK as some clearly!

I'm Total Klutz?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 2, 2022, 05:45:14
First post updated. Squad is pretty huge now - 28 not including Lyden, Parsons (loan) or any of the youth teamers. Need a few loan outs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 2, 2022, 05:49:27
Iandolo


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, September 2, 2022, 11:06:30
First post updated. Squad is pretty huge now - 28 not including Lyden, Parsons (loan) or any of the youth teamers. Need a few loan outs.
National League and below can carry on loaning players with no deadline so I expect a couple fo go out on loan.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:17:11
minturn -> Gloucester City (loan, obvs)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:26:23
minturn -> Gloucester City (loan, obvs)
Not in their match day squad today must have been completed too late, he looked decent in DMC on Tuesday TBF.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:31:36
minturn -> Gloucester City (loan, obvs)
Might go and watch a few games when I get a chance as nearby. Strange choice though, they play on a 4G pitch so not where I’d personally want to send players on loan but guessing we have limited options.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:33:24
Might go and watch a few games when I get a chance as nearby. Strange choice though, they play on a 4G pitch so not where I’d personally want to send players on loan but guessing we have limited options.
We have a "good working relationship" with Gloucester City so expect more loans in the future to them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:35:33
Where do Gloucester play these days.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:39:30
Where do Gloucester play these days.
Back at Hempsted at Meadow Park. It’s a good 4G pitch but still completely different to grass.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:40:59
Back at Hempsted at Meadow Park. It’s a good 4G pitch but still completely different to grass.

Cheers theskson. I haven't followed them since they left their old ground but vaguely remember them playing at Cirencester for a while.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 13:43:43
Cheers theskson. I haven't followed them since they left their old ground but vaguely remember them playing at Cirencester for a while.
They are back at there old ground now but very little remains, they’ve built a stadium out of shipping containers.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, September 3, 2022, 14:48:45
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Not in their match day squad today must have been completed too late, he looked decent in DMC on Tuesday TBF.

was mentioned by Sandro. Don't know if it's actually gone through yet


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 06:26:47
I’ve seen a few people on here and on Twitter saying that this squad is good enough to be challenging for promotion, which I’ve taken to mean is on par with last year. Is that true?? Comparing with the XI involved in the run in last year….

Goalkeeper - Bryn is better than Ward. We’re stronger here

Centre Back - not sure i see much to suggest McDonald is an improvement on what we had last year, albeit I like the look of Clayton. Will call this a draw

Full Back - Egbo was better than hutton. FBT is essentially a left footed Rob Hunt. We were better here last year

Midfield - Khan isn’t anywhere near as good as Payne. None of the carryovers look to have improved much. We were better here last year

Forwards - shade isn’t as good as McKirdy. Wakeling isn’t as effective as Davison in the middle, but he contributes more than Barry did. Adeloye doesn’t exist. We were better last year - even if jephcot performs to expectations I’ve not seen much of the wider cast to suggest an overall improvement on 21/22

Based on first impressions, not writing players off and think they can improve blah blah blah before anyone gets too annoyed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 08:10:48
If on paper player for player we're not as good as last season then our results and league position are correct.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 08:41:36
We've not seen all the new guys play yet so think it's too early to judge.   We certainly look weaker up top but that's inevitable when you lose 90% of your goals from the previous season.

Our performances on the whole have been poor.  We look very easy to play against, create little and give the ball away in our own half far too often.   Our league position reflects that and is roughly where I think we'll end up with the current management team. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 08:49:17
If on paper player for player we're not as good as last season then our results and league position are correct.

Our first 11 is way weaker than last season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 10:52:21
Our first 11 is way weaker than last season.
Yup. A bit of bullshit bongo here but we’ve done the opposite to last season and gone for quantity over quality. As the say, sometimes less is more.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 11:55:41
Yup. A bit of bullshit bongo here but we’ve done the opposite to last season and gone for quantity over quality. As the say, sometimes less is more.

I really don't think our starting 11 is horrific and to be fair like everyone has pointed out, a better manager wins the last 2 games and ironically would be on more points than this stage last year.

I think a more tactically aware manager gets more out of this team. I stupidly rewatched the game this morning as thought i was being harsh but i am even more confused. Genuinly feel sorry for Shade and the new right back yesterday


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 12:08:54
There is enough talent in this group to be challenging at the top end against the level of opposition in this league, there is no point in comparing them to last seasons group, that was last season playing against teams with their own different group of players.

What we are missing this season is a plan, structure, identity, whatever buzz word you want to use..  as much as Garner had his critics last year, one thing you can't accuse him of is not having a clear plan of how we would play against teams and not doing his homework on the opposition - whether you agreed with that plan or not is neither here or there, he was methodical in how he approached each game.

Our management team knows what they have to play with, they have a huge squad compared to last season so they should be able to come up with a number of team selections and formations that should be capable of beating the opposition depending on how they setup and play.  Last year we had the mechanic with not enough tools, this year we have lots of "tools" (don't be mean) and no mechanic, or at least not a mechanic that has shown that he knows how to use them to get the best out them.

A decent manager would know how to get the best out of the players we have, play to their strengths, utilise them in the best way.

Our GK is not a problem - maybe that is because of GK coach has not changed?

Our central defenders are being criticised for not being good footballers, whereas everyone was moaning last year about Conroy in the defence because he was a footballer - which one do we want?

Our full backs - everyone was criticising Rob Hunt last year for not being able to push forward, now we are saying FBT is Rob Hunt and is adequate - what do we want?  The new lad looked decent for his forst game in mens football yesterday, so I think he will turn out good.

Reed is dogshit and a stat paddler, but as RobT pointed out well, we are not playing to his strenghts and not utilising him in the right way at all - is that the players fault or the management?

Wingers/widemen - are players that are not used to being payed in that position, but are being played there to shoehorn people into the team or fill a gap - Is Williams and atacking wide player?  most people have agreed not..  Shade has been played in about 6 different positions (probably 4 different positions yesterday) how do we expect him to excel?

Stikers - Wakeling is not a striker, yet has been asked to play up front on hos own - 5' 8" and 9 stone when wringing wet, and his first season in mens football - work rate is great but he is not a striker.  Wakeling is an upgrade on Barry and should be played in the postion that Barry played.  The other strikers have just walked through the door so would be unfair to include - but reputation says that that at least Jephcott should be what we need.

That was just a longwinded way of saying - a decent management team should be able to find a way of being successfull with the toolbox that has been brought together - there is enough there to at least be in around the top end of the table.  If Lindsey isn't it, then the longer we persist with hoping that he comes good is wasting time and reducing our chances of being at the top end of the table by the end of the season.  Game by game we are reducing our chances of being successful this season.  I wanted to give him time and had significant fears on his appointment.  Yesterday took me from "well, we might come good in time" to "i have seen enough to feel that this won't come good in time".


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 12:19:09
Based on first impressions, not writing players off and think they can improve blah blah blah before anyone gets too annoyed.

Not your fist rodeo at not being overwhelmingly positive where it isn't warranted, it seems.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 12:34:15
Not your fist rodeo at not being overwhelmingly positive where it isn't warranted, it seems.
There is literally no one having a go at him for it either? You are having a dig at nobody


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 13:08:16
There is enough talent in this group to be challenging at the top end against the level of opposition in this league, there is no point in comparing them to last seasons group, that was last season playing against teams with their own different group of players.

What we are missing this season is a plan, structure, identity, whatever buzz word you want to use..  as much as Garner had his critics last year, one thing you can't accuse him of is not having a clear plan of how we would play against teams and not doing his homework on the opposition - whether you agreed with that plan or not is neither here or there, he was methodical in how he approached each game.

Our management team knows what they have to play with, they have a huge squad compared to last season so they should be able to come up with a number of team selections and formations that should be capable of beating the opposition depending on how they setup and play.  Last year we had the mechanic with not enough tools, this year we have lots of "tools" (don't be mean) and no mechanic, or at least not a mechanic that has shown that he knows how to use them to get the best out them.

A decent manager would know how to get the best out of the players we have, play to their strengths, utilise them in the best way.

Our GK is not a problem - maybe that is because of GK coach has not changed?

Our central defenders are being criticised for not being good footballers, whereas everyone was moaning last year about Conroy in the defence because he was a footballer - which one do we want?

Our full backs - everyone was criticising Rob Hunt last year for not being able to push forward, now we are saying FBT is Rob Hunt and is adequate - what do we want?  The new lad looked decent for his forst game in mens football yesterday, so I think he will turn out good.

Reed is dogshit and a stat paddler, but as RobT pointed out well, we are not playing to his strenghts and not utilising him in the right way at all - is that the players fault or the management?

Wingers/widemen - are players that are not used to being payed in that position, but are being played there to shoehorn people into the team or fill a gap - Is Williams and atacking wide player?  most people have agreed not..  Shade has been played in about 6 different positions (probably 4 different positions yesterday) how do we expect him to excel?

Stikers - Wakeling is not a striker, yet has been asked to play up front on hos own - 5' 8" and 9 stone when wringing wet, and his first season in mens football - work rate is great but he is not a striker.  Wakeling is an upgrade on Barry and should be played in the postion that Barry played.  The other strikers have just walked through the door so would be unfair to include - but reputation says that that at least Jephcott should be what we need.

That was just a longwinded way of saying - a decent management team should be able to find a way of being successfull with the toolbox that has been brought together - there is enough there to at least be in around the top end of the table.  If Lindsey isn't it, then the longer we persist with hoping that he comes good is wasting time and reducing our chances of being at the top end of the table by the end of the season.  Game by game we are reducing our chances of being successful this season.  I wanted to give him time and had significant fears on his appointment.  Yesterday took me from "well, we might come good in time" to "i have seen enough to feel that this won't come good in time".

Decent post that and imagine most would agree with your summary.

As posted earlier I think the quality of league 2 is down on last season so when you look at Gladwin, Reed, Williams & McDonald those players are as good as anything in the league.      
                                                                                                                                                                              Where the problem lies we've got a right old mis-match of new signings (some good, others too early to tell) where the manager doesn't seem to have the motivation skills & nous to get the best of them which is off setting the balance of the team and as with most number 2 coaches who try and step up it very rarely works and looking at his body language in his post match interview it's hard to see that he is the right man for the job.

A decent guy maybe and probably everybody's favourite behind the scenes but debatable if he has what it takes to be the manger of a league 2 club where the expectations are high with the supporters.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 14:07:46
Decent post that and imagine most would agree with your summary.

As posted earlier I think the quality of league 2 is down on last season so when you look at Gladwin, Reed, Williams & McDonald those players are as good as anything in the league.      
                                                                                                                                                                              Where the problem lies we've got a right old mis-match of new signings.

Which of the new signings has impressed you the most Jimmy?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 14:29:18
Hutton has a wicked cross on him, as seen second half v Salford.

What's his actual preferred  position


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 14:34:45
Hutton has a wicked cross on him, as seen second half v Salford.

What's his actual preferred  position

He said RW in his pre match interview


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 14:42:51
ah, ok. ta.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 14:43:23
Hutton has a wicked cross on him, as seen second half v Salford.

What's his actual preferred  position

Unfortunately that has been his only attribute so far but I do agree with you. It will be interesting to see if Hutton gets much game time or he's just going to warm the bench for Lavinier. With 5 subs you can potentially switch them about as and when. Although SL only seems to want to use 2 changes on average (I've not checked that, just taken from yesterday's game really)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 14:45:21
Hutton has a wicked cross on him, as seen second half v Salford.

What's his actual preferred  position

He does, I'm a bit surprised he didn't come on yesterday, if only for his long throws as a different option.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 15:00:30
Unfortunately that has been his only attribute so far but I do agree with you. It will be interesting to see if Hutton gets much game time or he's just going to warm the bench for Lavinier. With 5 subs you can potentially switch them about as and when. Although SL only seems to want to use 2 changes on average (I've not checked that, just taken from yesterday's game really)
First 2 games he was started at LB had a bad game and got dropped 😔 confidence shot to fuck already


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 15:10:56
First 2 games he was started at LB had a bad game and got dropped 😔 confidence shot to fuck already

I had forgotten about that. I think Walsall played Shade at LWB last season so it seemed odd that he was RB and Hutton at LB. It's almost as if SL was trying to be too clever. It's almost the time to go back to basics and play the best players in their positions.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 15:15:51
fair points above

it's been a bit odd playing players out of position at times.

What was Darcy at right back all about for instance.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 15:21:58
fair points above

it's been a bit odd playing players out of position at times.

What was Darcy at right back all about for instance.

Ugh the more you mention, the more you really have to question what SL is actually doing. Hutton and LB and Darcy at RB are just plainly odd decisions.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 15:23:59
They actually swapped for Salford so only the Harrogate game, I noted straight away to the guy to my right they'd done that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 16:46:39
Brennan, Harries, Tomi, Adeloye & Hutton all looked good in the limited time on the pitch but I do see potential in Brynn, Darcy, Clayton, Blake-Tracy,  Khan & Shade. I haven't seen anything of the recent acquisitions so can't comment😀

Interesting analysis. Who do you think has been better, Tomi or Adeloye?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 16:50:22
about even


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 16:51:38
about even

Equally terrible?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 17:52:17
Adeloye has been head & shoulders above Tomi.

Really! That’s what your saying?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 17:58:53
Really! That’s what your saying?

Eeerrr I thing that is exactly what he is us saying.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 18:11:40
I honestly think we have recruited badly - like a kid playing FM who has added some money to a transfer budget of a Div 4 team and just goes around buying everyone with no plan.

We seem to have got carried away buying up possible rough diamonds and forgot we actually need a team that can win games in this Division.

I do not see anything in the following to suggest they are top of the table go getters or able to play a league above (you want some of those if you want to go up):

Hutton
Shade
MacDonald
Blake-Tracey
Adeloye
Khan
Harries
Clayton
Brennan

Now, a couple of those have some talent you can work with, like Khan.  Blake-Tracey is a good pro type of player.  Nothing flashy, not going to set the world alight, but doesn't seem out of his depth and you could have someone like him in your squad if going for promotion.  Clayton could be good enough this season - I don't think he is up to last seasons loans in central defence, but he is comfortable and hopefully continues to grow.  It's not that I am saying they are all awful, just that you'd want two or three max, not half your first team.

Wakeling and Darcy look like they could bring something to the table this season, but not where they are playing (Darcy at Right Back is nuts).  

Brynn is a good signing.

We still have holes in the first team for me.  Shade, Wakeling & Jephcott as our front three is nowhere near McKirdy, Simpson/Davison & Barry.  Not even close, and we were still a forward short last season in all honesty.  That for me is the biggest problem - at this level, a good front three would cover a myriad of other shortfalls.

It's not all about the squad though - it's got enough in it to extract more than we are seeing.  Darcy at right back makes no sense unless someone was taking bets.  Wakeling through the middle on his own is bizarre.  Williams and Gladwin together makes just about one footballers worth of working legs and Williams has no interest in supporting a striker from wide it seems.

I haven't called out Lindsey yet - know nothing about him.  While the performances have been bad, and tactics look odd, he's managed to get draws.  It's not like we are losing them all, so have given him some slack.  I just think we are being limited by naivety at all levels in the club right now.  Yet get the free pass last season for that, we should have recruited better - players, management, exec etc.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 18:41:14
With the forward line, we do now have Hepburn-Murphy to add at some point.

I have assumed he is Barry like positionally, but don't actually know. Never heard of him before the other day.

We have brought in the Banbury winger. Assume he's for now not later but again, don't know.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:12:24
I honestly think we have recruited badly - like a kid playing FM who has added some money to a transfer budget of a Div 4 team and just goes around buying everyone with no plan.

We seem to have got carried away buying up possible rough diamonds and forgot we actually need a team that can win games in this Division.

I do not see anything in the following to suggest they are top of the table go getters or able to play a league above (you want some of those if you want to go up):

Hutton
Shade
MacDonald
Blake-Tracey
Adeloye
Khan
Harries
Clayton
Brennan

Now, a couple of those have some talent you can work with, like Khan.  Blake-Tracey is a good pro type of player.  Nothing flashy, not going to set the world alight, but doesn't seem out of his depth and you could have someone like him in your squad if going for promotion.  Clayton could be good enough this season - I don't think he is up to last seasons loans in central defence, but he is comfortable and hopefully continues to grow.  It's not that I am saying they are all awful, just that you'd want two or three max, not half your first team.

Wakeling and Darcy look like they could bring something to the table this season, but not where they are playing (Darcy at Right Back is nuts). 

Brynn is a good signing.

We still have holes in the first team for me.  Shade, Wakeling & Jephcott as our front three is nowhere near McKirdy, Simpson/Davison & Barry.  Not even close, and we were still a forward short last season in all honesty.  That for me is the biggest problem - at this level, a good front three would cover a myriad of other shortfalls.

It's not all about the squad though - it's got enough in it to extract more than we are seeing.  Darcy at right back makes no sense unless someone was taking bets.  Wakeling through the middle on his own is bizarre.  Williams and Gladwin together makes just about one footballers worth of working legs and Williams has no interest in supporting a striker from wide it seems.

I haven't called out Lindsey yet - know nothing about him.  While the performances have been bad, and tactics look odd, he's managed to get draws.  It's not like we are losing them all, so have given him some slack.  I just think we are being limited by naivety at all levels in the club right now.  Yet get the free pass last season for that, we should have recruited better - players, management, exec etc.

Cracking post and a sense of reality.

if you think you are going to put together a promotion winning team from players recruited from the likes of Walsall, Barrow, Ayr etc. then not bolster a squad with quality loan signings to the level of KKH, Crithlow, Simpson. That added to losing the quality of Conroy, Payne, McKirdy etc  it’s a very risky business. Then put that lot together with a Manager with no experience.

After all we were told it’s a longer term plan.

Supporters are already starting to feel short changed (once again).
It’s the hope that kills us.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:27:03
Where do you think Barrow and Walsall, for example, recruited from? You’d think that all the present top sides have all recruited from the cream of available players. They haven’t though. We’ve paid for players, handed out 2 year contracts and kept loans to a minimum.

The finger points at organisation, tactics and coaching. The 3 things we are so obviously shit at.

No way can you tell me this squad isn’t good enough for a top 7 finish.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:34:55
We’ve just sold a player for 250k who before joining us couldn’t get a Carlisle or Port Vale ffs.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:35:16
Where do you think Barrow and Walsall, for example, recruited from? You’d think that all the present top sides have all recruited from the cream of available players. They haven’t though. We’ve paid for players, handed out 2 year contracts and kept loans to a minimum.

The finger points at organisation, tactics and coaching. The 3 things we are so obviously shit at.

No way can you tell me this squad isn’t good enough for a top 7 finish.

I really hope you are right but my confidence is wearing thin.
The next two home games pivotal in so many ways. At what point will the Club pull the trigger on Lindsey, that’s if they actually would do?

What we would give for 2 back to back wins right now for everyone.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Steak supper on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:37:46

No way can you tell me this squad isn’t good enough for a top 7 finish.


it surprises me when things like this are said confidently by the average fan. How the hell can any one say that.

have we all scouted the squads for each team in the league



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:46:41
Where do you think Barrow and Walsall, for example, recruited from? You’d think that all the present top sides have all recruited from the cream of available players. They haven’t though. We’ve paid for players, handed out 2 year contracts and kept loans to a minimum.

The finger points at organisation, tactics and coaching. The 3 things we are so obviously shit at.

No way can you tell me this squad isn’t good enough for a top 7 finish.

Right now I'd say the edge of the play offs is the upper ceiling for this squad, as they stand today.  I think Lindsey isn't a million miles off the points we should have, but he's done it in a weird way.  We were lucky to get a few of them, then he should  have got more from two games where even a shit squad should see the games out to wins.  A better Manager has 4 more points from Stockport and Gillingham, but could just as easily lost against Carlisle, Salford & Leyton Orient despite their tactical nouse.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 19:56:06
Don’t think Lindsey knows his best team/formation.

He keeps tinkering with that to try and find it (fine understandable) but because of this, it seems everyone else has lost sight of everything else like the style of play, the tempo of play, tactics, subs, set pieces.

Garner went through a few teething problems with regards to best XI and formation but already had the other things nailed down - probably before he even rocked up at Town.

We’ll either carry on clueless till Lindsey go - or we’ll settle a bit, win a few games and start moving forward. Whether that will be far enough forward for the fans I don’t know.

Still a lot of unknowns player wise.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 20:09:15
It's just very Sheridan like.   Move players around until you find something that works.   


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, September 4, 2022, 20:27:47
We can debate the comparative qualities of this year's and last year's squads.

An obvious point, probably already made, is that we are far, far less dependent on loans this year. 

Tyreece and KKHs departures and the problems with their replacements (delay, injuries) - alongside Reed's suspension, Wollacott's internationals & Payne's injury - all combined to arguably cost us an automatic last year.

Brynn is about the only concern and, as has indeed been pointed out, it is usually possible to find an on loan keeper of competence.  Nor is there usually the same extent of a replacement having to gel with a playing style even if Ward's footballing skills didn't quite fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 5, 2022, 08:20:11
We can debate the comparative qualities of this year's and last year's squads.

An obvious point, probably already made, is that we are far, far less dependent on loans this year. 

Tyreece and KKHs departures and the problems with their replacements (delay, injuries) - alongside Reed's suspension, Wollacott's internationals & Payne's injury - all combined to arguably cost us an automatic last year.

Brynn is about the only concern and, as has indeed been pointed out, it is usually possible to find an on loan keeper of competence.  Nor is there usually the same extent of a replacement having to gel with a playing style even if Ward's footballing skills didn't quite fit.
Totally agree, there is a hell of a lot of hindsight being used here. Some of our best performers last season were the exact type of player we have recruited this summer. I still absolutely believe a competent manager has us at least 4 points better of this season. As for saying signing players from the likes of Walsall etc will not get us anywhere that is laughable, our so called better players are not even getting any games this season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, September 5, 2022, 15:59:06
We’ve just sold a player for 250k who before joining us couldn’t get a Carlisle or Port Vale ffs.



One we signed because we had to take who we could get on short notice, not because of anything data driven or scientifical.

More luck than judgement.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 5, 2022, 16:05:52
One we signed because we had to take who we could get on short notice, not because of anything data driven or scientifical.

More luck than judgement.

Anything wrong with a bit of luck? Even uber successful teams need a bit of luck.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 5, 2022, 16:08:13
Nah everything has to be perfect at Swindon or uproar.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Monday, September 5, 2022, 16:18:53
Where is everyone getting this "250,000" info from?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, September 5, 2022, 16:30:07
Where is everyone getting this "250,000" info from?

Wild guess.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, September 5, 2022, 20:35:51
Interestingly i had a look at players who left and it won't be a shock to anyone to see that Akin, Conroy and also Egbo due to injuries have started a combined 3 games all season between them. Jack Payne has not started a league game yet. The first 3 would be a rough combined 10k a month we would have taken a punt on  :eek: Ryan East has played more games than them all


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Monday, September 5, 2022, 20:39:50
Interestingly i had a look at players who left and it won't be a shock to anyone to see that Akin, Conroy and also Egbo due to injuries have started a combined 3 games all season between them. Jack Payne has not started a league game yet. The first 3 would be a rough combined 10k a month we would have taken a punt on  :eek: Ryan East has played more games than them all

And up until the lad from Spurs signed, all four would have walked back into our best starting XI based on this season so far.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, September 5, 2022, 21:00:41
Interestingly i had a look at players who left and it won't be a shock to anyone to see that Akin, Conroy and also Egbo due to injuries have started a combined 3 games all season between them. Jack Payne has not started a league game yet. The first 3 would be a rough combined 10k a month we would have taken a punt on  :eek: Ryan East has played more games than them all

Payne sat out most of pre season so imagine he might be a few weeks behind, so can kinda understand him not being involved as much…

…whether that will continue or not I dunno


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, September 6, 2022, 08:54:16
And up until the lad from Spurs signed, all four would have walked back into our best starting XI based on this season so far.
and not played because yet again they are injured


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:01:04
No option to buy?

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/plymouth-argyle-january-recall-clause-7549422


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:17:06
No option to buy?

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/plymouth-argyle-january-recall-clause-7549422

Seems pretty vague.

How does a loan with an option to buy actually work? And how is any potential future fee calculated? Would it be done at the time, or further down the line - perhaps on a sliding scale based on performance during the loan?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:18:40
Cool, so if Jephcott goes some way to offsetting the lack of goals from last season he’ll be back at Plymouth by January

They’ve fucked it


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:24:32
Surely it's just a simple case of

If they recall him, we just trigger the buy option and sign him permanently. 

Which we'd be keen to do anyway if he does well.

If he does shit, they won't recall him anyway.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:28:48
Surely it's just a simple case of

If they recall him, we just trigger the buy option and sign him permanently.  

Which we'd be keen to do anyway if he does well.

If he does shit, they won't recall him anyway.
It'll be exactly that. Of course theres no discussion to be had yet he's played half an hour


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:33:09
Surely it's just a simple case of

If they recall him, we just trigger the buy option and sign him permanently. 

Which we'd be keen to do anyway if he does well.

If he does shit, they won't recall him anyway.

It had better be


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 08:57:19
The way the article is written suggests to me that the purchase clause is not de-facto invokable from our side

Could well just be the way it's written, could be only active after n games, could be we get first refusal *if* they sell.

impossible to know

Quote
Swindon stated when they signed Jephcott they had the option to turn the loan into a permanent transfer but Dewsnip said: "It's not a discussion at this moment in time."

edit: My interpretation at the time was this was just the deal we came up with to protect us against McKirdy deal not going through and having to stump up Jephcott's fee without the MMcKirdy cash. So it would make sense we could instead buy in Jan if we choose to.

Not sure it would be fair on Plymouth. Maybe they have their own clause to protect themselves.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 7, 2022, 10:27:47
So the general principle on such deals according to Ryan Whelan
   - club would get first refusal to meet Plymouth's valuation/another bidding club
   - player can still refuse (or presumably not agree terms)

But that's just 'in general'. Our actual deal is obviously confidential and could be very different.

Worry about it later. He's had 30 minutes during a limp team display. Its a problem that hasn't happened yet


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 15:47:41
so from today's presser..

only personal twerms can prevent jephcott joining if we want him.

we are looking for another senior keeper as Brann not ready for first team


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 15:50:33
so from today's presser..

only personal twerms can prevent jephcott joining if we want him.

we are looking for another senior keeper as Brann not ready for first team
So we have not fucked it


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 16:03:54
So we have not fucked it

No. Well yes, a bit.

let's say he bangs in loads of goals. January comes, he gets recalled.

We trigger the buy option, but his agent gets wind that another club wants him too.

Jephcott doesn't agree personal terms with us as he can get more money elsewhere.

And at this point, we'd have fucked it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 16:11:24
If the worst case scenario is he bangs in loads of goals for the next four months and then goes I'm cool with that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 16:19:16
Bangs in loads of goals would mean that we'd also have been singing "we are Lindsey's red & white army" at some stage. Shirley?

Equally the opposition could have been banging in loads of goals at the same time. Not convinced that that will be the case though, says he ahead of a 0-4 drubbing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 16:28:02
No. Well yes, a bit.

let's say he bangs in loads of goals. January comes, he gets recalled.

We trigger the buy option, but his agent gets wind that another club wants him too.

Jephcott doesn't agree personal terms with us as he can get more money elsewhere.

And at this point, we'd have fucked it.
That is literally every single deal in the world though buddy. That's not us


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 16:39:51
true that. I thought it was good news assuming we are right and the muff chairman is playing silly buggers.

Was a little surprised at the goalkeeping situation though. Not that its wrong, just unexpected


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 17:10:32
We may not even want Jephcott yet.

I remain unconvinced that someone didn't get hold of Sandro's mythical spreadsheet and go and add the  =INT(RAND()*100) function everywhere in place of the players stats.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 20:39:57
That is literally every single deal in the world though buddy. That's not us

The point is, we should've just bought him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, September 8, 2022, 21:21:12
So we have not fucked it

Not yet 😉


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 9, 2022, 06:41:40
The point is, we should've just bought him.
But the same problem can happen then as well? Why buy someone we can have for free on trial for 6 months


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 9, 2022, 06:53:41
Also may have needed the McKirdy money to fund it. McKirdy wasn't done by EFL deadline


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, September 9, 2022, 07:14:05
But the same problem can happen then as well? Why buy someone we can have for free on trial for 6 months

because as explained above, that's now how it works.

All we get is first refusal.

If Jephcott doesn't want to join, we are back to square one.

If he does well another club will just give him more wages than we can afford Should've done the deal when we had the chance.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 9, 2022, 07:36:03
because as explained above, that's now how it works.

All we get is first refusal.

If Jephcott doesn't want to join, we are back to square one.

If he does well another club will just give him more wages than we can afford Should've done the deal when we had the chance.

…but if he’s crap we have no obligation to buy a shit player we don’t want


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, September 9, 2022, 07:41:17
…but if he’s crap we have no obligation to buy a shit player we don’t want

If he's crap that says more about us than anything else. He's proven to score goals at this level and higher and is still young.

I just can't be fucked with another Doyle / Yates scenario.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 9, 2022, 07:48:39
The Doyle/Yates scenario where we ended up with both for the whole season and got promoted? I'd definitely take that...

Seriously though, I get wanting certainty but there never really is in football. If we bought him outright and it got to January and someone with a bit of money wanted to buy him then, there'd still be every chance of him going. McKirdy was our player under contract, it didn't stop the vultures circling. This is just our place in the football food chain right now.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 9, 2022, 07:55:11
Also may have needed the McKirdy money to fund it. McKirdy wasn't done by EFL deadline

My memory might be playing tricks on me but didn't we say when we signed Jephcott that we did the loan with the option due to the lack of time to do a deal permanently? I suspect this may have been down to the McKirdy income as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, September 9, 2022, 07:55:46
The Doyle/Yates scenario where we ended up with both for the whole season and got promoted? I'd definitely take that...

Seriously though, I get wanting certainty but there never really is in football. If we bought him outright and it got to January and someone with a bit of money wanted to buy him then, there'd still be every chance of him going. McKirdy was our player under contract, it didn't stop the vultures circling. This is just our place in the football food chain right now.

That's not what happened though is it. Both got recalled. Doyle missed 3-4 games, Yates missed a couple too IIRC.

We were lucky we got them back. Doyle practically had to kick the door down.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Friday, September 9, 2022, 08:00:44
My memory might be playing tricks on me but didn't we say when we signed Jephcott that we did the loan with the option due to the lack of time to do a deal permanently? I suspect this may have been down to the McKirdy income as well.
Aye that's what Sandro


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 9, 2022, 08:41:43
The Doyle/Yates scenario where we ended up with both for the whole season and got promoted? I'd definitely take that...

Seriously though, I get wanting certainty but there never really is in football. If we bought him outright and it got to January and someone with a bit of money wanted to buy him then, there'd still be every chance of him going. McKirdy was our player under contract, it didn't stop the vultures circling. This is just our place in the football food chain right now.

Just a thought if Jephcott has played for Plymouth and ourselves this season - he can’t play for anyone else this season can he?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, September 9, 2022, 08:57:32
Just a thought if Jephcott has played for Plymouth and ourselves this season - he can’t play for anyone else this season can he?


Good point. If that still stands.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 10, 2022, 11:20:46
Could they not sell him in January if we didn't meet their valuation


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, September 10, 2022, 11:24:25
Could they not sell him in January if we didn't meet their valuation

…I think not, as he’s already played for two clubs this season.

I guess they could sell his registration but the buying club wouldn’t be able to register and play him - so no one else would buy him (like when Rotherham recalled Yates played him for about 5 minutes so the only club that could buy/loan him in/from January was us)

…unless the rules have change in the last few years.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, September 10, 2022, 11:41:32
…I think not, as he’s already played for two clubs this season.

I guess they could sell his registration but the buying club wouldn’t be able to register and play him - so no one else would buy him (like when Rotherham recalled Yates played him for about 5 minutes so the only club that could buy/loan him in/from January was us)

…unless the rules have change in the last few years.

I think you're right but wasn't sure if that only applies to loan deals.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 09:51:40
Lyden in talks with Barrow


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:10:37
Lyden in talks with Barrow

A shame if that goes through because I'd of backed a fit and firing Lyden to do a better job than Reid has thus far this season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:10:38
Lyden in talks with Barrow
A fit Lyden is a good asset, unfortunately we have never seen a fully fit Lyden.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:40:38
Lyden in talks with Barrow
Don't understand this at all


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 10:49:02
Don't understand this at all
Really not worth keeping him is it ?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 11:26:19
Lyden in talks with Barrow
Could free up another wage.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 11:40:39
He was OOC anyway. Think we were just letting him get fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 12:06:04
Really not worth keeping him is it ?
I don't understand why Barrow would be interested is what I was getting at? If he's near fitness maybe we should be offering?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 12:32:42
I don't understand why Barrow would be interested is what I was getting at? If he's near fitness maybe we should be offering?
Sorry Adje


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 14:51:18
thing is, he and iandolo are never long fit.

can't afford to carry them, even if it's very unfortunate.

was suprised at iandolo's contact given that


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:17:44
Iandolo played more minutes last season than anyone else. Whilst he's had injuries, they've mostly been big impact injuries rather than muscular recurring ones, right? Lyden I completely agree, classy player but just can't rely on his body.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:22:42
100ish games, 7th season. That's the facts.

Needs a few more seasons like last. if he can stay fit this season (when back) I'll retract my fitness comments


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:36:31
100ish games, 7th season. That's the facts.

Needs a few more seasons like last. if he can stay fit this season (when back) I'll retract my fitness comments

That's not (all) entirely down to injuries though is it?

He also hasn't really been at the required level in the past.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:39:18
that's also true. I'm still not entirely sure what his best position is now.

But last year was by and far his best season for us, and for me he worked best in midfield. However we have a few to choose from in that position now


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 15:42:05
We had a little spell last season where Iandolo and Aguiar looked good together. We scored plenty of goals. Aguiar then faded a little bit which was understandable.

We just seemed to have a little bit more 'bite' and they were prepared to play box to box roles.

Wouldn't be against re exploring that in the future.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 16:26:12
Iandolo's assist for a HMc goal when he was in midfield was a masterpiece, David Silva-esque.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 16:39:18
A large portion of Iandolo’s time out was attributable to a broken leg. He’s not quite the same sick note that Lyden is.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 17:13:11
Much moaning for our goal shy performance v Gillingham.

But credit to a far more positive approach to the problem from the fans of FC Magdeburg:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568886506948857857

Who said the Germans don't have a SOH    :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 18:33:03
Much moaning for our goal shy performance v Gillingham.

But credit to a far more positive approach to the problem from the fans of FC Magdeburg:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568886506948857857

Who said the Germans don't have a SOH    :)
Dont reckon we’d get those in the Town End !.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Lardy Cake on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 19:26:06
Thanks for posting that. That’s one of the funniest things I’ve seen for a while.   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, September 11, 2022, 20:49:08
Much moaning for our goal shy performance v Gillingham.

But credit to a far more positive approach to the problem from the fans of FC Magdeburg:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1568886506948857857

Who said the Germans don't have a SOH    :)

old but gold. happened 10 years ago! around the same time people started filling stratton bank with random cardboard cut outs as well i think!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, September 12, 2022, 13:01:20
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/minturn-and-massey-complete-loan-moves/

Minturn and Massey out on loan to Conf North/South sides Gloucester and Hungerford respectively. Seem sensible moves, only a month initially.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, September 12, 2022, 14:08:47
Minturn is good enough to play up a league for me.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, September 12, 2022, 16:21:13
Iandolo's assist for a HMc goal when he was in midfield was a masterpiece, David Silva-esque.

Might have been subject of a Netflix feature had that been carried out at the top level. Worthy of some lingering super slow mo attention.

Sublime.
Could conclude that Iandolo's future may lie in central midfield after that.

Just looked up where the quads are.
Must have picked up the injury early in pre season.
Such a shame for him off the back of a very good consistent season.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boy About Town on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 15:07:46
We have a new keeper signing on.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 15:14:46
Quote from: Boy About Town
We have a new keeper signing on.

yeah they mentioned we would in one of the presser. Free agent (obv).

no names though (that I've heard)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 15:31:31
Probably Idem, Idem.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 16:48:51
Probably Idem, Idem.
Heaven forbid.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 08:10:29
Williams to miss Grimsby game as he has been called up by the Welsh

Funny that what are generally a decent international side these days with quite a bit of young talent still need a league 2 player to fill out the squad


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 08:54:30
Brennan, Harries, Devine, Iandolo, Hepburn murphy, Adeloye, Dabre, Cowmeadow all out of the squad yesterday... be interesting to see how we integrate the first 5 of those back into first team contention.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 09:19:03
Roughly the same team as last night (if available) with Khan starting and Darcy/Wakeling playing in the Williams role for the Grimsby game i would suspect


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 16, 2022, 14:46:29
Cowmeadow to Slough (1 month loan, subject to approval)

cue the office jokes


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: oxonrobin on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 08:39:15
So, ten games in. What are people’s thoughts unit wise in comparison to last season?

GK - no doubt Brynn has been excellent. Surely comparable to Wollacott. Behind him though we obviously need cover. Squad wise last seasons Wollacott-Ward is superior to Brynn-Brann.

RB - looked to be in a right state pre window closing. Hutton has found some form over the last few apps, and Lavinier has looked okay with lots of potential. Few weeks back I would have said Hunt walks into this team, not clear now. Think Egbo was probably the most complete RB so I guess last season shades it.

CB - Baudry was a big part of our late season winning run, so glad he stayed on for another one. Very happy with Clayton, MacDonald is good at the defending part, not great in possession, opposite complaints of Conroy. The loans last season were all pretty competent though. Not sure about our depth here this time around, seems there are one or two that won’t cut it. Leaning towards last season again.

LB - Really like FBT, really like Tomlinson last season. Think he would start given the choice. Again not sold on our depth here. Good to have Ellis back but was never my favourite position for him. Pretty even with last year.

Seems like I’m leaning towards last seasons squad having the edge iin the back line, yet wasn’t our strong suit last season. Am I being overly sentimental? Deluded? Miserable cunt? Did we just underachieve last season?  ???


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 09:01:42
So, ten games in. What are people’s thoughts unit wise in comparison to last season?

GK - no doubt Brynn has been excellent. Surely comparable to Wollacott. Behind him though we obviously need cover. Squad wise last seasons Wollacott-Ward is superior to Brynn-Brann.

RB - looked to be in a right state pre window closing. Hutton has found some form over the last few apps, and Lavinier has looked okay with lots of potential. Few weeks back I would have said Hunt walks into this team, not clear now. Think Egbo was probably the most complete RB so I guess last season shades it.

CB - Baudry was a big part of our late season winning run, so glad he stayed on for another one. Very happy with Clayton, MacDonald is good at the defending part, not great in possession, opposite complaints of Conroy. The loans last season were all pretty competent though. Not sure about our depth here this time around, seems there are one or two that won’t cut it. Leaning towards last season again.

LB - Really like FBT, really like Tomlinson last season. Think he would start given the choice. Again not sold on our depth here. Good to have Ellis back but was never my favourite position for him. Pretty even with last year.

Seems like I’m leaning towards last seasons squad having the edge iin the back line, yet wasn’t our strong suit last season. Am I being overly sentimental? Deluded? Miserable cunt? Did we just underachieve last season?  ???

Brynn is a better keeper than Wollocott and won’t miss games due to international call ups. I agree the depth isn’t as strong as last season but I guess the flip side is we shouldn’t need the depth as much.

Egbo was good and highly rated but it was an extremely small sample size. If he could consistently play as he did the back end of last season then I’d agree he’s a better player than our current right back…but…would he have lost form as some point? Got injured?

Centre back we are better off. MacDonald is a better defender than Conroy ever was, as is Clayton. Baudry was great the back end of last season but similar to Egbo could he keep those levels up over another full season? Good that he is still here *probably* also good he isn’t first choice.

Left back Tomlinson was class but was clearly only ever going to be here for the short term particularly with his parent club looking likely to drop down a division (and doing so) whilst we are weaker I don’t think Tomlinson was ever more then a short term ‘get football’ loan.

Obviously the main difference in the back line - I’m guessing is the instructions. We are definitely dicking  about less and defending more. I said on the match day thread we have defenders who defend first, play football second. It was the opposite last season and much more emphasis on the footballing part.

I think because he hit a few decent Hollywood passes occasionally people forget just how inept Conroy was as a defender.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 09:05:03
…and that doesn’t even touch upon the fact our midfield is different and have different instructions.

Midfield protecting the defence was another one of our downfalls last season.
Reed was always in front of the defence to receive the ball when we had it but he never really protected the defence when we didn’t have the ball.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 09:09:21
Is Tomlinson still at Peterborough as he wasn't in their matchday squad yesterday.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 09:29:16
Is Tomlinson still at Peterborough as he wasn't in their matchday squad yesterday.
Yep out of favour this season and asked for a loan move before deadline day but it never happened.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 09:55:31
Yep out of favour this season and asked for a loan move before deadline day but it never happened.

Cheers, another strange scenario which isn't good for player or club.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: oxonrobin on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 10:23:06
Brynn is a better keeper than Wollocott and won’t miss games due to international call ups. I agree the depth isn’t as strong as last season but I guess the flip side is we shouldn’t need the depth as much.

Egbo was good and highly rated but it was an extremely small sample size. If he could consistently play as he did the back end of last season then I’d agree he’s a better player than our current right back…but…would he have lost form as some point? Got injured?

Centre back we are better off. MacDonald is a better defender than Conroy ever was, as is Clayton. Baudry was great the back end of last season but similar to Egbo could he keep those levels up over another full season? Good that he is still here *probably* also good he isn’t first choice.

Left back Tomlinson was class but was clearly only ever going to be here for the short term particularly with his parent club looking likely to drop down a division (and doing so) whilst we are weaker I don’t think Tomlinson was ever more then a short term ‘get football’ loan.

Obviously the main difference in the back line - I’m guessing is the instructions. We are definitely dicking  about less and defending more. I said on the match day thread we have defenders who defend first, play football second. It was the opposite last season and much more emphasis on the footballing part.

I think because he hit a few decent Hollywood passes occasionally people forget just how inept Conroy was as a defender.

Re GK, I hope so. Looking back Ward had 11 starts last season, I would have guessed more. Suppose barring injury you’d expect most seasons the number 2 to limited to the odd pizza cup appearance. I think I may come to agree with you at Brynn being better than Wollacott. Just seems a bit early to be that confident, but very consistent so far.

Agree on Baudry. Of course we cannot know but I suspect he is a valuable man to have around the squad for people like Clayton. We know he can’t be relied on for 30+ apps, but a good assets to have for situations like last week. I would be nervous at those coming in if Clayton was to be out for a good chunk of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 10:45:06
You also have to remember that the average age of our team is 23 ish which is ridiculously young really.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, September 25, 2022, 11:22:55
You also have to remember that the average age of our team is 23 ish which is ridiculously young really.
Same last year i believe


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, September 26, 2022, 09:55:08
Anyone else think that Williams may not actually get on the plane to Qatar?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 26, 2022, 09:55:14
You also have to remember that the average age of our team is 23 ish which is ridiculously young really.
Average age of the 1st team this season is just 24 so a little more than you suggest but its still young.

Last season the average starting line up age was 24.5 so it has gone down a little.

By comparison Orients average 1st team squad age on Saturday was also only 24.

We are still the only team to have taken any points off leaders Orient so far.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:18:22
Average age of the 1st team this season is just 24 so a little more than you suggest but its still young.

Last season the average starting line up age was 24.5 so it has gone down a little.

By comparison Orients average 1st team squad age on Saturday was also only 24.

We are still the only team to have taken any points off leaders Orient so far.

And Grimsby’s two league defeats so far were against Orient & Us


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, September 26, 2022, 13:56:39
And Grimsby’s two league defeats so far were against Orient & Us
Indeed they were.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 20:07:16
Harry Parsons sent off for Banbury against Gloucester tonight.

Dabre on Banbury bench

Minturn started for Gloucester


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 07:01:58
Very interesting watch to see what Angus MacDonald has been through, and still manages: https://youtu.be/KKhvIPx9ZDY


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Lardy Cake on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:01:05
Thanks for posting that. Having lived with someone with Colitis I can appreciate what he has gone through, top man.
Can't help but remember Adam Stansfield (Exeter City) who would you believe passed away 12 years ago at the age of 31.   


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:04:08
Thanks for posting that. Having lived with someone with Colitis I can appreciate what he has gone through, top man.
Can't help but remember Adam Stansfield (Exeter City) who would you believe passed away 12 years ago at the age of 31.   

His son is now playing for Exeter, on loan from Fulham which is a great touch.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 08:13:39
RHM could be out for as much as 10 weeks with his hamstring injury unfortunately.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 09:45:02
RHM could be out for as much as 10 weeks with his hamstring injury unfortunately.
Ouch that’s dreadful news. That’s the gamble you take with these kind of players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:16:15
Quote from: Bob's Orange
RHM could be out for as much as 10 weeks with his hamstring injury unfortunately.

that must be one hell of a tear. very disappointing all round


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:21:49
that must be one hell of a tear. very disappointing all round

To caveat the news. I haven't seen anything officially, I think I read it on social media so it could well be untrue/wide of the mark. Hopefully SL might confirm in the presser tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 10:41:40
cheers Bob


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 14:48:21
https://twitter.com/JonnyLeighfield/status/1575502537696120832?t=IDVfrwCiZ9W3qr4ItfhleA&s=19

Scott Lindsey confirms Rushian Hepburn-Murphy out for "up to 10 weeks" with a hamstring injury. Full story on @AdverSport shortly. #STFC


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 14:51:28
https://twitter.com/JonnyLeighfield/status/1575502537696120832?t=IDVfrwCiZ9W3qr4ItfhleA&s=19

Scott Lindsey confirms Rushian Hepburn-Murphy out for "up to 10 weeks" with a hamstring injury. Full story on @AdverSport shortly. #STFC

Tear in his hamstring tendon!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, September 29, 2022, 15:14:08
Tear in his hamstring tendon!

He tried to play on with that! Adrenaline is one hell of a drug.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:25:15
Signing imminent

New player or a contract extension (Wakeling?)

https://twitter.com/official_stfc/status/1575797705678503936?s=46&t=Q1opiPWX4Uxs51vK4GGvaA


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:32:02
Signing imminent

New player or a contract extension (Wakeling?)

https://twitter.com/official_stfc/status/1575797705678503936?s=46&t=Q1opiPWX4Uxs51vK4GGvaA


Experienced keeper for backup I would have thought.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:36:28
Well, any new keeper will have to be named Brenn, Bronn or Brunn



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:37:57
Wakeling new deal


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:39:10
Even better


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:39:22
Till 2025!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:40:14
3 year extension!

Yowzer!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:40:49
26! Lovely work.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:41:31
Till 2025!
June 2026


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:43:28
Experienced keeper for backup I would have thought.

Love being wrong :)

Great bit of business by the club - kudos.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:46:27
When was the last time we nailed a player down for 4 years?

Short termism is dead 💀


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, September 30, 2022, 10:58:13
I hope this shuts up the naysayers and doom mongers, hell of a statement that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, September 30, 2022, 11:24:58
We’ve either got 3.5 years of a very decent striker, or we’ve got a sizeable transfer fee. Good news, proper management. Now for Reed and Williams extensions… and Gladwin!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, September 30, 2022, 11:33:45
I hope this shuts up the naysayers and doom mongers, hell of a statement that.

To be fair it's been generally positive recently, 3 wins in a row have seen to that really!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 30, 2022, 12:05:06
I'm not used to long contracts, now I'm worried it's too long 🤣

shut up brain


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, September 30, 2022, 12:36:03
I'm not used to long contracts, now I'm worried it's too long 🤣

shut up brain
:) :) :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, September 30, 2022, 13:17:38
…now do Clayton


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, September 30, 2022, 13:39:05
Next summer contract expiries:

Harries
Reed
Gladwin
Williams
RHM (? Not sure a contract length was announced)
Massey
Parsons
Dabre
Minturn
Cowmeadow

Plus the loans (Brynn, Brennan, FBT, Jephcott)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, September 30, 2022, 14:27:32
I’d forgotten that Brennan was here. It’s almost like we’ve brought a loan in, so that our own young centre backs can go and play. I suspect Sheff Wed may pull him back if that carries on. I doubt the plan was to be backup for Tom Clayton.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, September 30, 2022, 14:36:32
The plan was to be the right centre back in a 3. With Macdonald centre and Clayton left side.

Harries and Baudry backups.

But 3 at the back was quickly ditched. And here we are.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:08:54
Next summer contract expiries:

Harries
Reed
Gladwin
Williams
RHM (? Not sure a contract length was announced)
Massey
Parsons
Dabre
Minturn
Cowmeadow

Plus the loans (Brynn, Brennan, FBT, Jephcott)

I would only be gutted if 3 out that list maybe 4 didn't sign. Progress already


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:37:04
I would only be gutted if 3 out that list maybe 4 didn't sign. Progress already
Which 3? Gladwin, Reed, Williams?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, September 30, 2022, 16:38:23
Class to extend by 4 years.

That’s how you protect an asset properly 🤝

Gladwin and RHM both on deals till end of next season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 30, 2022, 17:54:22
Which 3? Gladwin, Reed, Williams?
Yeah, maybe Minturn


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, September 30, 2022, 18:02:50
Class to extend by 4 years.

That’s how you protect an asset properly 🤝

Gladwin and RHM both on deals till end of next season
I thought it was a 3 year extension for JW? Where did you hear about RHM and Gladwin?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, September 30, 2022, 18:36:41
That's great bit of business

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSQ1dfPQkx0


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, September 30, 2022, 18:42:57
Class to extend by 4 years.

That’s how you protect an asset properly 🤝

Gladwin and RHM both on deals till end of next season
Of course, forget Gladwin renewed in January. I actually see another contract coming soon for him. Doing is coaching badges already so have a feeling we will see him on the coaching team sooner rather than later


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Saturday, October 1, 2022, 08:52:45
Of course, forget Gladwin renewed in January. I actually see another contract coming soon for him. Doing is coaching badges already so have a feeling we will see him on the coaching team sooner rather than later
I hope so. The guy is switched on


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: newmarket red on Saturday, October 1, 2022, 11:46:02
That's great bit of business

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSQ1dfPQkx0
smasing lad speaks well as a person and is going to be one hell of a player. :beers: :pint:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 16:00:53
Parsons recalled from Banbury


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 16:09:43
Silly move unless there is an injury


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 19:22:36
Silly move unless there is an injury
Let’s just assume there is no injury to an existing player, why is it a silly move?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 19:29:11
He’s playing there, if we have a full compiment of attackers available he wont be playing here will he


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, October 13, 2022, 20:46:06
He’s playing there, if we have a full compiment of attackers available he wont be playing here will he

I’m playing devils advocate. You’re assuming he won’t. Maybe the club just aren’t happy with his situation there, maybe he’s not happy there, maybe Banbury aren’t happy with him. Could he be lined to a loan somewhere else? There could be plans to get him integrated into the first team sooner rather than later. Whatever the reason, the have deemed it the right thing to do. Time will tell. Likely to be playing some part on Tuesday I’d expect.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, October 18, 2022, 15:00:35
Great stats for the lad. Not so sure it’s quite so good for the team overall.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, October 18, 2022, 15:19:23
He does appear to have decent career ahead of him, based on what we have seen thus far.  Does the basics well and will gain experience.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, October 19, 2022, 11:23:28
Hopefully he wont get recalled to be sent on loan to a bigger club in January


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, October 19, 2022, 12:03:17
I can’t quite properly explain why, but the benefits of being loaned to league 1 rather than league two feels less obvious for a goalkeeper than as an outfield player

I mean, shots on target are the same at any level, right?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, October 19, 2022, 18:52:24
I can’t quite properly explain why, but the benefits of being loaned to league 1 rather than league two feels less obvious for a goalkeeper than as an outfield player

I mean, shots on target are the same at any level, right?

Swings and Roundabouts I think.

You could argue you’d have better attacking players in L1 who create more chances and are better finishers but the reverse of that is you could argue L1 will also have better defenders - so it kinda balances it out.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 06:57:28
Minturn to Chippenham until end of Jan. Probably a good move for him, although on Tuesday's evidence I'd have him ahead of Harries and Brennan as CB cover.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: oxonrobin on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 07:19:46
Minturn to Chippenham until end of Jan. Probably a good move for him, although on Tuesday's evidence I'd have him ahead of Harries and Brennan as CB cover.

Hmm, agreed. Is Harries on a one year deal? Evidence so far suggests he is stealing a living as a league footballer.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 08:42:12
Minturn to Chippenham until end of Jan. Probably a good move for him, although on Tuesday's evidence I'd have him ahead of Harries and Brennan as CB cover.

I have high hopes for minturn. Looks a very good prospect indeed. Been a while since we had a youth player start for us for a decent period of time


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: A Gent Orange on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 10:44:20
Hmm, agreed. Is Harries on a one year deal? Evidence so far suggests he is stealing a living as a league footballer.

Yep. Only one year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61972509


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 10:55:32
Hmm, agreed. Is Harries on a one year deal? Evidence so far suggests he is stealing a living as a league footballer.
To be brutally honest I would send him out on loan in January if anybody wants him and reinvest on a young prospect then let his contract run out, he just doesnt seem to be of a decent enough level to warrant even a place on the bench.

I would also send Brennan back in January too and bring in another young defensive loanee.

Something I was thinking, I have no idea what Matt Smith is doing but I would make a cheeky loan bid for him as hes exactly the type of midfielder we are missing, a true box to box player who can tackle but create things too.

He seems to have not played since a poor loan to Doncaster last year where the Donny fans disliked him, and now hes 22 it could be a stepping stone getting his career back on track.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 11:10:18
Hockaday on the radio the other night said, "Harries was a great passer of the ball when he first signed for Coventry" maybe he's playing in the wrong position!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, October 22, 2022, 11:54:15
Hockaday on the radio the other night said, "Harries was a great passer of the ball when he first signed for Coventry" maybe he's playing in the wrong position!

He's a perfectly good passer of the ball now, he just looks very poor at basic defending. I wouldn't hate seeing him at LB if FBT was injured.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, October 28, 2022, 19:10:30
Harry Parsons goes on loan to Chippenham


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 28, 2022, 19:40:51
Quote from: tans
Harry Parsons goes on loan to Chippenham
🤔

Are they a higher level than Banbury?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, October 28, 2022, 19:54:30
One is National league North the other South.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 28, 2022, 19:59:08
cheers


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, October 28, 2022, 20:04:19
Harry Parsons goes on loan to Chippenham

Fa cup eligible 🤔


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, October 28, 2022, 20:12:10
cheers


 :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022, 15:27:29
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgkF5zjX0AUROP9?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 12:06:00
I’d imagine a few of our squad are now worth far in excess of what we may have paid for them - which, in some cases, was nothing at all.

Wakeling, Darcy, Khan, Hutton, Clayton will all be worth a decent wedge - I’ll leave Jephcott out until we know for sure his status come January.

Hoping beyond hope Brynn and Blake-Tracey can be made perms.

If we can’t kick on from here with those making up over half the team we don’t deserve to go up.

That Mansfield game/result has heightened everyone’s expectations.

Don’t blow it now Town!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 13:39:02
I very much doubt anyone bar Wakeling will be worth actual money.  At this level, it takes a stunning talent outside forwards for clubs in the levels above to shell out cash.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 17:15:17
I very much doubt anyone bar Wakeling will be worth actual money.  At this level, it takes a stunning talent outside forwards for clubs in the levels above to shell out cash.
I can think of at least 3 who would get good money .


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 17:20:41
That's why we need to go up this season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 20:11:33
I’d imagine a few of our squad are now worth far in excess of what we may have paid for them - which, in some cases, was nothing at all.

Wakeling, Darcy, Khan, Hutton, Clayton will all be worth a decent wedge - I’ll leave Jephcott out until we know for sure his status come January.

Hoping beyond hope Brynn and Blake-Tracey can be made perms.

If we can’t kick on from here with those making up over half the team we don’t deserve to go up.

That Mansfield game/result has heightened everyone’s expectations.

Don’t blow it now Town!

I hope there is already stuff going on in the background but we need to look at & getting some of these players on longer term contracts (like we already have with Wakeling)

It’s goes without saying that now a days (and it has been for a while now) that player value is dictated more by length of contract than talent. We can’t risk these young players getting into the last year of their contracts - because they’d be worth next to nothing.

We definitely need to get Khan, Darcy & Clayton signed up longer term.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 20:59:07
How long is Johnny signed for? I've got a feeling that now he's starting week in week out and is demonstrating he's not a complete crock, he'll be attracting attention  from higher up the league pyramid. Fans of opposition sides invariably comment that he's a cut above this level.

We've got a chance of keeping him if we go up, but it would be good if we could sort it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 21:08:08
How long is Johnny signed for? I've got a feeling that now he's starting week in week out and is demonstrating he's not a complete crock, he'll be attracting attention  from higher up the league pyramid. Fans of opposition sides invariably comment that he's a cut above this level.

We've got a chance of keeping him if we go up, but it would be good if we could sort it.

Next season we’ll in L1 and he’ll be a year older…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 21:44:02
I can think of at least 3 who would get good money .

Who?  Not saying we have a bunch of misfits or anything, just that players in L2 rarely go for much unless they are a forward with what looks like untapped talent for a higher level.  I am struggling to think of anyone bar Wakeling who hits those requirements currently, plus they need a long term contract as well.

In the past few years the ones who we have sold for any money at this level have been DJ, Ajose and?

McKirdy wouldn't have brought in game changing money for example.

The only others beyond those in years gone by were players who were at the top of League One.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, November 3, 2022, 22:19:40
I think the main thing is that, Brynn apart, we can probably cope with any of the loan players being recalled better than we did last season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:02:05
I think the main thing is that, Brynn apart, we can probably cope with any of the loan players being recalled better than we did last season

FBT ?

Not sure we have decent cover if he gets recalled - which maybe there is something in Burton not wanting him cup tied ?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:08:10
FBT ?

Not sure we have decent cover if he gets recalled - which maybe there is something in Burton not wanting him cup tied ?

Yeah I have a feeling they might look to recall him in January. Perhaps their new manager fancies him more than Jimmy Floyd Mayweather did.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:22:55
Yeah I have a feeling they might look to recall him in January. Perhaps their new manager fancies him more than Jimmy Floyd Mayweather did.
Unless we step in and make them an offer for him now that they can't refuse.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:25:47
I like FBT but I really don't think we should be making any sort of "offers that can't be refused" for a left back. If he's available for a reasonable price, then great, but the bank should remain firmly unbroken.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:35:00
I like FBT but I really don't think we should be making any sort of "offers that can't be refused" for a left back. If he's available for a reasonable price, then great, but the bank should remain firmly unbroken.
I have to admit I would be happy to pay £50k to £75k for him, he is our biggest threat from attacking corners, he can play CB and LB and we do look a much weaker side when hes not playing, I would value him higher than say Louis Reed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:41:09
Who would you prefer if Joe Tomlinson became available🤔


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:41:59
Who would you prefer if Joe Tomlinson became available🤔
No, I would pick FBT but I would sign him too :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:48:21
No, I would pick FBT but I would sign him too :)

Good answer😀 I've no idea if Tomlinson is injured or out of favour as I never hear his name for Peterborough.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:52:32
Good answer😀 I've no idea if Tomlinson is injured or out of favour as I never hear his name for Peterborough.
Hes out of favour, he was available on deadline day for a loan move but nothing transpired.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:54:06
Hes out of favour, he was available on deadline day for a loan move but nothing transpired.

Cheers JJ so maybe still an option in January depending.....


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 7, 2022, 13:55:43
I have to admit I would be happy to pay £50k to £75k for him, he is our biggest threat from attacking corners, he can play CB and LB and we do look a much weaker side when hes not playing, I would value him higher than say Louis Reed.

attacking threat at corners and swindon town is something that i have never really seen. maybe with flint.
all of set pieces are generally useless. something i wish we would get coached into more. those extra points from set pieces are huge in a season. like arsenal on sunday.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 7, 2022, 14:00:53
attacking threat at corners and swindon town is something that i have never really seen. maybe with flint.
all of set pieces are generally useless. something i wish we would get coached into more. those extra points from set pieces are huge in a season. like arsenal on sunday.
Most teams in L2 play for set peices and often score from them (against us!) the last real attacking threat from corners for me was Shaun Taylor.

For his height FBT is really good in the air, but hes no ST.

Unfortunately though he (and MacDonald when fit) are our only real threats at attacking corners.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 7, 2022, 14:05:55
Unless we step in and make them an offer for him now that they can't refuse.

He joined Burton in July 2021 signing a 2 year contract and Burton probably have 2 or 3 options depending on whether Dino Mamma Mia rates him or not.

1. They recall him, he has a great second half of the season in league 1 and he signs a new contract (think this is unlikely)

2. They recall him and sell him to us, or another team for a token amount in the January transfer window before his contract runs out.

3. They let him stay with us and just let his contract run out (Point 2 probably makes more business sense for Burton I would have thought)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 7, 2022, 14:39:10
Any idea on the dreaded ‘option’ once his contract runs out?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 7, 2022, 14:44:18
Any idea on the dreaded ‘option’ once his contract runs out?

Nothing that I can see, but it's a good point. Sometimes clubs neglect to mention it in their signing blurb so there could be one, but I am sensing not in this case.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, November 7, 2022, 17:06:23
Tomlinson would walk straight in to this team and be one of the first names on the time sheet, for me.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 08:02:40
Sol Brynn’s contract with Middlesbrough ends 31/5/23. Again, no idea on any possible option.

Surely he’d be worth signing on a perm.

Never realised FBT is 27.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 08:52:04
Sol Brynn’s contract with Middlesbrough ends 31/5/23. Again, no idea on any possible option.

Surely he’d be worth signing on a perm.

Never realised FBT is 27.

Brynn on a permanent would be a real statement of intent. I had a look on the Boro website and I'm sure it's just an oversight, but Brynn isn't even listed in any of the team squads, they have Steffen, Roberts, Daniels and Joe Lumley loaned out to Reading. Unless I am being blind?

https://www.mfc.co.uk/teams/

I hadn't realised Luongo was at Boro now. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 09:02:05
Their 1st choice at the moment is Steffen, a loan from Man City so maybe a stop gap until they think Brynn ready although Steffen is 27 so surely not a going concern for City, if 'Boro want him permanent you'd imagine he'd be available.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 09:08:33
I'd missed or forgotten Brynn had been to Queen of the South last year. He played 21 times before being recalled in December.

Would love to sign him, don't think he's BFG good yet. But the BFG wasn't BFG good at this time of year either :)

Problem (we can all see) is Boro will see he's doing well. There's a risk of recall and loan higher up to bump his value even if they don't want to keep him.

You never know though.

@Bob, looks like he's sort of between u21 and first team and not listed, at least for now.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 09:08:52
Who?  Not saying we have a bunch of misfits or anything, just that players in L2 rarely go for much unless they are a forward with what looks like untapped talent for a higher level.  I am struggling to think of anyone bar Wakeling who hits those requirements currently, plus they need a long term contract as well.

In the past few years the ones who we have sold for any money at this level have been DJ, Ajose and?

McKirdy wouldn't have brought in game changing money for example.

The only others beyond those in years gone by were players who were at the top of League One.

What is game changing money to you though mate


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 09:10:17
Tomlinson would walk straight in to this team and be one of the first names on the time sheet, for me.
I agree. I think FBT could be a great CB tbh as well.

I don't think we stand a chance at signing Brynn though


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 11:10:47
Jonny Williams up against 2 former Town players in League 2 player of the month award. Josh Davison and Kyle Knoyle


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 12:15:03
What is game changing money to you though mate

In the context of how Audrey framed it originally, in the ballpark of 500k.  The kind of money worth tying a player down for if you think it could be on the table.  We may have some players who are worth 50k or so, but most teams at this level don't bother to pay that, they wait until the players become free agents.  It improves a little if we go up a league, but down here, I'd wager we don't have those 500k type of players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 12:27:46
May depend on the wage that FBT is on at Burton, if they have no interest in him they may be willing to release him to free up his wage but you would expect they would have to pay him off, or he refuses to leave so he gets bigger wages until end of season.

Many options, they give him a free transfer so stfc can pay him a bigger salary then if we would have to pay a fee for him even

They are clearly keeping their options open by not allowing him to get cup tied though


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 12:31:29
In the context of how Audrey framed it originally, in the ballpark of 500k.  The kind of money worth tying a player down for if you think it could be on the table.  We may have some players who are worth 50k or so, but most teams at this level don't bother to pay that, they wait until the players become free agents.  It improves a little if we go up a league, but down here, I'd wager we don't have those 500k type of players.
Yet, we’ve paid money for a few players this season - Adeloye, Khan, potentially Jephcott. I’d wager 2 out of those 3 would be worth more than we paid for them (obviously guessing on Jephcott but, from what we’ve heard, the fee has already been agreed)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 12:46:03
I'd be utterly amazed if we paid anything more than the contract pay offs required to free-up each player, plus we don't usually sign players to three year plus deals (Wakeling being a recent exception and for good reason).  I'm not counting Jephcott just yet - he could be worth something if we do indeed sign him. 

Clayton is probably the only other on our books, but I think we'd need an entire season out of him and go up a level first.  Khan is too old for the position he plays to get a higher division side sniffing around I think.  If he was 5 years younger then maybe - certainly not going to see someone spending more than a seasons wages to release him at this point in his career at a L1 or higher level.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 12:47:23
Actually, Wakeling aside, Khan is probably my favourite signing this post season.  Good enough for the division we are in, a bit of upside with coaching and good players around him but not a youngster, so likely to stick out his contract.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, November 8, 2022, 12:58:01
Yet, we’ve paid money for a few players this season - Adeloye, Khan, potentially Jephcott. I’d wager 2 out of those 3 would be worth more than we paid for them (obviously guessing on Jephcott but, from what we’ve heard, the fee has already been agreed)

Adeloye was thankfully a free transfer. We paid money for Hutton and Clayton, which look like money well spent so far (along with Khan and potentially Jephcott).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 08:11:56
Assuming we want Williams to be called up tonight? It would be good income but a blow after recent goals and performances.

I see that we get 50% of wollacott, city and charlton 25% each.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 08:13:57
Assuming we want Williams to be called up tonight? It would be good income but a blow after recent goals and performances.

I see that we get 50% of wollacott, city and charlton 25% each.
I understand Charlton get 25% of Williams fees too. So it pretty much evens out.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 08:39:00
Basing that on both players being away for 30 days that should swell our coffers by

$375,000 which at today’s exchange rate is nigh on £325,000!

Yowzers! That’s probably more than we got for the Man City game.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 08:42:44
That's really good income. As you say roughly comparable with a Televised plum 3rd round FA Cup tie. I know it's painful being so poor in the cup, but I do think longer term being out of it will benefit us in the league. Williams has been excellent this season and will be missed, but we do have a deeper squad to hopefully cope when he is away.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 08:52:50
No idea if this income has been budgeted for but it’d be handy for a bid for FBT and/or Brynn and Jephcott.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 09:15:32
The Jephcott fee will already be prepared for, no way this money will have been 'put aside' for it I wouldn't imagine, Williams could have gotten injured at any time (still could of course) forcing him to sit the WC out.

I'm sure this will be added on top of any budgets already in place and could quite feasibly fund a player transfer or two, FBT seems an obvious one, Brynn seems out of our reach to me. 

I'd be looking at a solid CB to replace Baudry I think, he still has his place in the squad but can't be playing this many games back to back anymore. If there is the slightest chance we can get FBT and somehow get Tomlinson away from Peterborough, as well as the anticipated Jephcott signing, that would be the dream January.  Perhaps an extra CM on loan from somewhere although in this scenario Iandolo becomes more of an option.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 09:57:02
I understand Charlton get 25% of Williams fees too. So it pretty much evens out.

The wording from Fifa is as follows:- Teams will receive $10,000 per player, per day while the player is involved in Qatar. The payments will go to all clubs the player has played for in a two-year period prior to the world cup.''

That said, I don't think any fee is split - Town & Charlton will both get $10,000 each per day for Williams & JoJo.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 10:03:20
Yeah we desperately need a new CB for me to help sure up our defence. Baudry and MacDonald can't be relied on fitness and MacDonald hasn't really shown the player he can be yet. The others we've signed don't really cut it, in my opinion.

Tom Clayton is a serious talent. Lets get him a partner.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 10:47:10
Yeah we desperately need a new CB for me to help sure up our defence. Baudry and MacDonald can't be relied on fitness and MacDonald hasn't really shown the player he can be yet. The others we've signed don't really cut it, in my opinion.

Tom Clayton is a serious talent. Lets get him a partner.

Send Brennan back in January, we can get a much better centre back on loan. January you tend to have a good crop of players come available (players on Premier League/ Championship periphery who aren't getting game time). MacDonald and Clayton I thought were starting to look good and our defence has definitely got worse without him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 10:56:44
Send Brennan back in January, we can get a much better centre back on loan. January you tend to have a good crop of players come available (players on Premier League/ Championship periphery who aren't getting game time). MacDonald and Clayton I thought were starting to look good and our defence has definitely got worse without him.

We've been pretty unlucky with Centre Backs, just when it looks like we get a settled partnership one of them picks up an injury. Based on what i've seen MacDonald (who was improving before he got injured) Clayton and Brennan (based on the last few league games) look to have something about them. Baudry has been too erratic and Harries just very poor. I'd personally be willing to give Brennan November and December to see if he settles down before deciding to terminate his loan.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 14:44:18
Send Brennan back in January, we can get a much better centre back on loan. January you tend to have a good crop of players come available (players on Premier League/ Championship periphery who aren't getting game time). MacDonald and Clayton I thought were starting to look good and our defence has definitely got worse without him.

Yeah MacDonald was improving before he got injured, for sure. I'm still hopeful there. Brennan doesn't cut it in my opinion and Harries is so far from the required level I still can't get over the decision to sign him.

We need to bring at least one in and hope MacDonald and Clayton can stay fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 14:48:21
Harries was a strange signing considering he's 25 and been around a bit. Not sure what our scouts/ex manager saw in him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 14:49:34
Harries was a strange signing considering he's 25 and been around a bit. Not sure what our scouts/ex manager saw in him.

Something moneyballish you'd have to think.

Hasn't worked.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 15:34:07
Something moneyballish you'd have to think.

Hasn't worked.

Was a Garner signing, apparently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 15:39:13
Was a Garner signing, apparently.

That gives me a bit more faith in the current regimes track record then as Harries was probably the worst of the bunch.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 15:44:09
Is Harries on a 1 year contract🤔


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 15:44:56
Would love to see Brandon Cooper back.

Probably got League 1 Clubs interested, but Lindsay knowing him from last year + us having some extra cash + chance of promotion could be a decent proposition.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 15:45:13
Harries was a strange signing considering he's 25 and been around a bit. Not sure what our scouts/ex manager saw in him.

His whole career seems a little strange, 25 yet only played around 100 games, but doesn't seem to have been injured? Before last season he was mainly at league 1 and above?

One of those players who perhaps looks great in training but not matches?

Although to be honest Brennan's career trajectory looks pretty strange as well!

Is Harries on a 1 year contract🤔
Yep
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/harries-heads-to-sn1/

Was a Garner signing, apparently.

Would have known him from his time at Wovers I assume?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 15:58:32
Cheers Horlock, I did hear Hockaday recently say he had him at Coventry when he was around 17,18 and was praising his passing ability and how surprised he was that his career hasn't progressed up the leagues.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 16:45:12
The wording from Fifa is as follows:- Teams will receive $10,000 per player, per day while the player is involved in Qatar. The payments will go to all clubs the player has played for in a two-year period prior to the world cup.''

That said, I don't think any fee is split - Town & Charlton will both get $10,000 each per day for Williams & JoJo.

This was on otib
Quote
for players who were registered with multiple teams the money is shared pro rata based on how long that player was with each club during the two years.

Referenced against 2018 World cup payments and % we benefit the most on these players 75% Williams 50% Woolacott.

2 hours till we find out on Wales. Its a weird one as he nevers seems to play. He scored against Croatia I think then didn't make any minutes after.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 16:51:33
Wales Manager said players like Williams and Gunter helped make the atmosphere that the others players thrive on.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 16:58:43
Wales Manager said players like Williams and Gunter helped make the atmosphere that the others players thrive on.

A nice way of saying these guys are there to make up the numbers but are unlikely to play many minutes.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 17:05:22
Bet he makes the bench, though. Probably not a great pool numbers wise to choose from.

Wales v Ghana final would get the money rolling in!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 17:07:44
Wales Manager said players like Williams and Gunter helped make the atmosphere that the others players thrive on.

A nice way of saying these guys are there to make up the numbers but are unlikely to play many minutes.

With the utmost respect to Williams, Wales aren't going to get far if they are depending on players from the 4th tier to be in the 1st choice starting 11.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 17:16:57
Bet he makes the bench, though. Probably not a great pool numbers wise to choose from.

Wales v Ghana final would get the money rolling in!

He's consistently been on the bench for them so I absolutely agree with you. Actually aren't you basically allowed to put the remainder of your squad pretty much on the bench in the world cup games anyway?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 17:25:13
With Williams fitness not so much an issue this season can we expect any interest from league one clubs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 17:36:12
Bet he makes the bench, though. Probably not a great pool numbers wise to choose from.

Wales v Ghana final would get the money rolling in!

Every player in the squad makes the bench during the World Cup I believe,  they’re not limited to having a certain number of substitutes.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 17:36:36
This was on otib
Referenced against 2018 World cup payments and % we benefit the most on these players 75% Williams 50% Woolacott.

2 hours till we find out on Wales. Its a weird one as he nevers seems to play. He scored against Croatia I think then didn't make any minutes after.
Poland


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 18:43:48
Williams confirmed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, November 9, 2022, 18:50:58
££££££ :pint:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 12:16:51
Every player in the squad makes the bench during the World Cup I believe,  they’re not limited to having a certain number of substitutes.

Yeah, its been that way for a long time. Not sure if its always been that way.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 13:37:44
Substitutes weren’t allowed until 1970 - so no bench before that.
I think it’s more recent that the full squad is on the bench - 2006 possibly.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 17:38:38
George Cowmeadow joins Kidlington on loan.

Surely, our loanees need challenging higher up the pyramid than this.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 17:47:32
he's not played much men's football has he?

it kind of makes sense to do that for a bit then kick on

edit: oh yeah Slough...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 18:10:06
George Cowmeadow joins Kidlington on loan.

Surely, our loanees need challenging higher up the pyramid than this.

Makes you wonder doesn’t it? There must be a good reason why. Get Andrew Hawes onto it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 20:29:28
George Cowmeadow joins Kidlington on loan.

Surely, our loanees need challenging higher up the pyramid than this.

Said this in a discussion about Parsons.
Think we need to get them loaned out higher up. Maybe not whilst they are still 17/18 but certainly by 20.

Sure, it’s only one example but we managed to get Scott Twine out on loan one league below where we were at the time and that aided his development massively.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 10, 2022, 20:36:13
Sure, it’s only one example but we managed to get Scott Twine out on loan one league below where we were at the time and that aided his development massively.

Not straight away though, Twine did Chippenham twice (and Waterford) - and by all accounts tore the place up for Chippenham - before getting the Newport loan. You have to earn the right to move up the leagues, so far our loanees don't obviously seem to be shining when they go out.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 11, 2022, 07:57:42
Adver has confirmed that STFC will get £333,000 compo from FIFA for our 2 WC participants. If either/both countries get out of their respective group stage that amount will increase.

Nice


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 11, 2022, 10:52:03
George Cowmeadow joins Kidlington on loan.

Surely, our loanees need challenging higher up the pyramid than this.
He only made 2 sub appearances for Slough Town, so that loan was pretty much worthless.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, November 11, 2022, 10:58:31
Surely, our loanees need challenging higher up the pyramid than this.

Can't see us turning down offers from clubs higher up the pyramid than this, suspect its decided purely on who comes in for them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 11, 2022, 12:16:37
He only made 2 sub appearances for Slough Town, so that loan was pretty much worthless.

I know the Chairman at Kidlington. Already sent me a message the night before it went official.
They are very pleased to say the least.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, November 11, 2022, 12:21:57
I know the Chairman at Kidlington. Already sent me a message the night before it went official.
They are very pleased to say the least.
I hope he can get some game time and show them what hes got, always looks promising when I have seen him (about 10 games so far).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 11, 2022, 13:31:48
I hope he can get some game time and show them what hes got, always looks promising when I have seen him (about 10 games so far).

Heard good reviews.
Clearly this will give him the bumps and knocks he needs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, November 11, 2022, 14:15:15
Mo Dabre on loan to Worthing in National League South for 6 weeks or so.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, November 11, 2022, 16:17:35
Mo Dabre on loan to Worthing in National League South for 6 weeks or so.

Barely got a sniff in at Banbury, only came off the bench a couple of times.

On another note, Banbury played Chester the other night. Loads of trouble during and after the game., was lead story on BBC South last night.

I was more pissed off that they shut the bar before half time!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, November 11, 2022, 17:22:59
Adver has confirmed that STFC will get £333,000 compo from FIFA for our 2 WC participants. If either/both countries get out of their respective group stage that amount will increase.

Nice
whos  the second  player to go to the world cup.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 11, 2022, 17:24:57
Wollacott


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, November 11, 2022, 17:32:20
Hows that work out hes not here anymore or was something done before he went to charlton.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: lovestfc on Friday, November 11, 2022, 17:43:27
Compensation is paid to the clubs that a player was registered with up to2 years prior to the World Cup .Therefore  charlton have to share the compensation with swindon.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 11, 2022, 17:58:55
I think we get 50/50 with Charlton for Wollacott and we get 75/25 with Charlton for Williams.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, November 11, 2022, 18:10:04
I thought each club got the £10k


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, November 11, 2022, 18:51:22
Seems to be conflicting ideas on how the dosh is distributed.

Wales/Ghana Final would be worth a few quid!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, November 11, 2022, 19:44:34
Barely got a sniff in at Banbury, only came off the bench a couple of times.

On another note, Banbury played Chester the other night. Loads of trouble during and after the game., was lead story on BBC South last night.

I was more pissed off that they shut the bar before half time!

Has been plenty of trouble at Banbury games recently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, November 11, 2022, 19:52:54
I thought each club got the £10k

https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup/qatar2022/media-releases/fifa-distributes-more-than-usd-200m-to-clubs-across-the-world

Unfortunately most journalists can't be bothered to do research anymore and just copy and paste each others work.    It's not a daily payment but a fixed value for each player depending on how far they get.   That then gets pro-rated across the clubs.

It's closer to £180-200k than £333k
 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, November 11, 2022, 20:08:18
I wonder if lower league clubs would gamble on national call ups when signing players and offering contracts. to get a couple of hundred thousand from williams in the world cup would be a huge incentive for the club to retain him and offer him a good contract to make sure he stays.

chris gunter for wimbledon as an example. as a league 2 team if we came in and bid £50k for him in the summer (not even checked if he was out of contract) knowing that he would earn us double or trebles that from a call up it could make very good business. a transfer fee for a 33 year old would sound crazy but if its getting more and more lucractive it could be worth keeping an eye on it every 2 years.

qualifying for these tournaments is getting easier and easier for smaller nations with them increasing in size. we would need to sign 5 internationals to make sure we can postpone during in season qualifiers though!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, November 11, 2022, 20:19:48
I wonder if lower league clubs would gamble on national call ups when signing players and offering contracts. to get a couple of hundred thousand from williams in the world cup would be a huge incentive for the club to retain him and offer him a good contract to make sure he stays.

chris gunter for wimbledon as an example. as a league 2 team if we came in and bid £50k for him in the summer (not even checked if he was out of contract) knowing that he would earn us double or trebles that from a call up it could make very good business. a transfer fee for a 33 year old would sound crazy but if its getting more and more lucractive it could be worth keeping an eye on it every 2 years.

qualifying for these tournaments is getting easier and easier for smaller nations with them increasing in size. we would need to sign 5 internationals to make sure we can postpone during in season qualifiers though!
I'd be amazed if gunter played another wold cup!  I'd also expect it to be built into any price.
What you could do is offer them a decent percentage of it to top up their earnings so you are getting a good player on a lower wage.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, November 11, 2022, 21:13:47
I'd be amazed if gunter played another wold cup!  I'd also expect it to be built into any price.
What you could do is offer them a decent percentage of it to top up their earnings so you are getting a good player on a lower wage.

Sorry I meant in the summer just gone. It was all hyperthetical just interesting to see how much money is available and whether clubs would consider that when signing someone. Most see it as a hindrance but a league 1 and 2 levels the compensation is brilliant


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, November 11, 2022, 21:38:55
Sorry I meant in the summer just gone. It was all hyperthetical just interesting to see how much money is available and whether clubs would consider that when signing someone. Most see it as a hindrance but a league 1 and 2 levels the compensation is brilliant
It is but its a punt as may get injured or there's a manager change at country level.   Both clubs would know that there's a chance of compo so you'd have thought a premium would be built in by the selling club.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 12, 2022, 09:33:18
Has been plenty of trouble at Banbury games recently.


Yep, every time i have been this season there has been trouble.

Kidderminster game, ive never seen so many police there!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, November 12, 2022, 11:16:00
I thought each club got the £10k

$10k, so about £8,500


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Saturday, November 12, 2022, 18:23:20
Wollacot in danger of missing World Cup through injury


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 12, 2022, 19:56:38
Quote from: tans
Wollacot in danger of missing World Cup through injury
Noooooo

£££


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, November 13, 2022, 08:39:47
$10k, so about £8,500

Shame Truss didn’t stay a bit longer as it would have been nearer £15k 😉


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 08:33:21
I see Johnny Leighfield reckons Brennan will be recalled by Sheff We’d in January due to lack of consistent game time.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 08:36:00
I see Johnny Leighfield reckons Brennan will be recalled by Sheff We’d in January due to lack of consistent game time.

I don't think too many will shed any tears about that. He's been a bit of a mixed bag and I suppose the inconsistent nature of the Centre Backs won't have helped him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 08:38:18
I see Johnny Leighfield reckons Brennan will be recalled by Sheff We’d in January due to lack of consistent game time.

Not a surprise. A combination of Clayton starting strong, and Lindsey largely dropping his recruited for 3 at the back squad.

Can't have loan players sat on the bench.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 08:39:39
He's played every minute in five of our last six games, I suspect if it carried on like that to January they'd leave him here. But with MacDonald and Clayton to come back it will probably change.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 08:53:03
He’s a decent option tbf.

Our CBs aren’t exactly know for staying fit.

Evidently it’s Wednesdays decision rather than ours but he would be a loss and would need replacing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 17, 2022, 14:46:12
Was just looking at the bookies odds for Saturdays game and on the same page was odds on any of our players ending up top scorer in Lg2 this season.

Jephcott is 50-1
Wakeling is 80-1

and brilliantly Adeloye is 80-1 also!  :D
They really don't take much notice of this league do they!  ::)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2022, 17:37:46
Notice RHM is back in training. Another option up front.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, November 23, 2022, 07:30:34
Notice RHM is back in training. Another option up front.
For 10 mins or so.   Really hope his body doesn't let him down again but he's a nice to have rather than someone we can rely on at the moment and probably needs to be eased very gently back anyway.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, November 23, 2022, 07:56:32
For 10 mins or so.   Really hope his body doesn't let him down again but he's a nice to have rather than someone we can rely on at the moment and probably needs to be eased very gently back anyway.
A very exciting looking player 'if' he can get and remain fit. At least this injury isn't related to the long term problem, which could be a good (or a bad) thing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, November 26, 2022, 17:55:31
Saidou Khan in the away end for Chesterfield’s win at Wimbledon.

Good for him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, November 27, 2022, 15:09:09
Harry Parsons scores away at Burton in FA Cup


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, December 3, 2022, 17:41:31
Dear Santa.

For Christmas can we please have a striker that is quick, big and strong? That way we can play him with Wakeling or Jephcott. (Both should not be on the pitch at the same time)

Could I also have a couple of defenders to replace Brennan and FTB who I think are likely to be gone. Tomlinson from Perterborough would be nice, but I'm not fussy as long as they are better than what we have.

I'd like a couple of midfielders too. I don't want to have to play Iandolo anymore and I assume Reed will go. If Khan is fit again soon then that's fine for a DM. I don't really want to play Gladwin and Williams at the same time. I'd like someone with some presence, energy and guile please. A bit like the lad we had from Arsenal a couple of years pack would be fine.

Then, if you can make Shade into the player he was for the 2 best halves of the 4 he played against us for Walsall, and Jephcott into the goalscoring machine he once was for Plymouth.

That would make me happy!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Monday, December 5, 2022, 12:15:37
Dear Santa.

For Christmas can we please have a striker that is quick, big and strong? That way we can play him with Wakeling or Jephcott. (Both should not be on the pitch at the same time)

Could I also have a couple of defenders to replace Brennan and FTB who I think are likely to be gone. Tomlinson from Perterborough would be nice, but I'm not fussy as long as they are better than what we have.

I'd like a couple of midfielders too. I don't want to have to play Iandolo anymore and I assume Reed will go. If Khan is fit again soon then that's fine for a DM. I don't really want to play Gladwin and Williams at the same time. I'd like someone with some presence, energy and guile please. A bit like the lad we had from Arsenal a couple of years pack would be fine.

Then, if you can make Shade into the player he was for the 2 best halves of the 4 he played against us for Walsall, and Jephcott into the goalscoring machine he once was for Plymouth.

That would make me happy!

I'm not sure even Santa Sandro can provide all on your list, you may need to narrow it down a bit


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 5, 2022, 13:29:34
Dear Santa.

For Christmas can we please have a striker that is quick, big and strong? That way we can play him with Wakeling or Jephcott. (Both should not be on the pitch at the same time)

Could I also have a couple of defenders to replace Brennan and FTB who I think are likely to be gone. Tomlinson from Perterborough would be nice, but I'm not fussy as long as they are better than what we have.

I'd like a couple of midfielders too. I don't want to have to play Iandolo anymore and I assume Reed will go. If Khan is fit again soon then that's fine for a DM. I don't really want to play Gladwin and Williams at the same time. I'd like someone with some presence, energy and guile please. A bit like the lad we had from Arsenal a couple of years pack would be fine.

Then, if you can make Shade into the player he was for the 2 best halves of the 4 he played against us for Walsall, and Jephcott into the goalscoring machine he once was for Plymouth.

That would make me happy!

Fuck of NMH, you are getting socks and you'll enjoy them!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 5, 2022, 14:42:46
But I want my socks blown off!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, December 5, 2022, 15:27:10
But I want my socks blown off!

hahah!! You might have to wait until January for that to happen :)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, December 5, 2022, 15:34:12
But I want my socks blown off!

Fuck the socks, I just want to be blown. By a woman if you don’t mind. Just saying.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, 11:59:21
What's happened to Devine? is he injured or out of favour


I've no idea how good, bad or indifferent he is tbh


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, 12:02:59
What's happened to Devine? is he injured or out of favour


I've no idea how good, bad or indifferent he is tbh
Has only featured in match day squads twice so far, played 83 mins vs Plymuff in the Pizza Cup and looked pretty good and made the bench at Stockport in the FA cup but never came off the seat.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, 20:57:58
What's happened to Devine? is he injured or out of favour


I've no idea how good, bad or indifferent he is tbh
The one time I saw him play for us was a friendly against Woking when he looked extremely poor. Loads of misplaced passes. Admittedly was pre season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, 21:25:18
Went off injured today I believe


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, December 6, 2022, 22:02:45
Went off injured today I believe
Him and Harries not looking like they will be getting new contracts in the summer.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 07:24:07
Devine has two years


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:10:14
Devine has two years
And in the Plymouth game looked pretty decent TBH, but then its the Swindon way to write off a player with 83 first team minutes, 1 pre season game and a development game under his belt.

I still hope that Adeloye is better than hes shown us, Harries as well, yes I have been very critical of both but am still rticent to write them both off but we do look a better side when neither are playing TBH. But to write of Devine after not playing 90 mins in the first team is very very harsh. He has 19 appearances already at the age of just 20 for St Johnstone, Walsall and Swindon and a long injury history usually in the hamstring at would seem having both previous loans terminated early due to injury.

Harries has played a total of 430 mins (5 starts with 1 red card and one yellow) and Adeloye played 265 mins (2 starts).

Rovers fans made us aware of Harries ability and lack of defensive ability prior to signing for us and apparently he was Garners last signing before he left.

Adeloye, who is 26, managed to score 11 goals for Ayr at a rate of near one every 3 games and a career record of 1 goal in every 5 games during his 150 game career at various levels in England and Scotland.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:16:23
SWINDON Town head coach Scott Lindsey has revealed the club has already begun discussions over new contracts for some of its players who see deals run out in the summer of 2023.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:23:47


So those that are known to be OOC at the end of the season from the list are:

6. Mathieu Baudry - 2023 - 34 - DC
26. Cian Harries - 2023 - 25 - DLC
5. Louis Reed - 2023 - 25 - MC
7. Ben Gladwin 2023 - 30 - MC
8. Jonny Williams - 2023 - 28 - MLC
14. Oscar Massey - 2023 - 18 - ST
19. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy - 2023 - 23 - ST

31. Harrison Minturn - 2023 - 18 - DC - On loan at Chippenham Town until the end of January
29. Harry Parsons - 2023 - 19 - ST - On loan at Chippenham Town until end of December
30. Mo Dabre - 2023 - 19 - MRL - On loan at Worthing until beginning of January
32. George Cowmeadow - 2023 - 18 - AML/ST - On loan at Kidlington until end of January
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So I suspect Williams and Gladwin, maybe RHM but surely needs to prove fitness. Maybe all the youngsters. Keep forgetting Dabre is only 19.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:26:35
Not sure Williams and/or Reed would want one - especially if still in L2.

Minturn will get offered a new one I reckon.

Would have expected the likes of Dabre and Parsons would have featured and not loaned out if the club were thinking of retaining them.

Baudry and Harries defo no. Think Frenchie will retire.

Cowmeadow and Massey - who knows.

Now, Gladwin. Could see him maybe coach/player


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:29:27
I guess I thought we would at least talk to Williams. I can't see him staying in L2 either.
Reed needs to go if he remains bit part.

Agree Baudry will be thanks and goodbye.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:30:11

So those that are known to be OOC at the end of the season from the list are:

6. Mathieu Baudry - 2023 - 34 - DC
26. Cian Harries - 2023 - 25 - DLC
5. Louis Reed - 2023 - 25 - MC
7. Ben Gladwin 2023 - 30 - MC
8. Jonny Williams - 2023 - 28 - MLC
14. Oscar Massey - 2023 - 18 - ST
19. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy - 2023 - 23 - ST

31. Harrison Minturn - 2023 - 18 - DC - On loan at Chippenham Town until the end of January
29. Harry Parsons - 2023 - 19 - ST - On loan at Chippenham Town until end of December
30. Mo Dabre - 2023 - 19 - MRL - On loan at Worthing until beginning of January
32. George Cowmeadow - 2023 - 18 - AML/ST - On loan at Kidlington until end of January
-----------
So I suspect Williams and Gladwin, maybe RHM but surely needs to prove fitness. Maybe all the youngsters. Keep forgetting Dabre is only 19.

I assume Baudry will retire like he was supposed to have done summer just gone, and I suspect Reed will not accept anything unless he starts playing regularly.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:37:33
I guess I thought we would at least talk to Williams. I can't see him staying in L2 either.
Reed needs to go if he remains bit part.

Agree Baudry will be thanks and goodbye.

I've heard that Williams thinks a lot of the club for the way they have been able to manage him after a tough spell higher up the leagues with injuries. It wouldn't surprise me if he chooses to stay, he seems to be really enjoying his football and has improved in my eyes this season.

Would Baudry be one to go into coaching with us perhaps? Or is he more likely to have something already arranged post football (think he might have mentioned something 'businessy' on a Podcast but I can't properly recall)

We don't appear to be doing anything at all with Massey, I may be wrong but he never appears in any games we arrange, either in the youths or friendlies or the Pizza Trophy. Surprised he hasn't been loaned out to get football, even at a low level to see what he can do. Maybe we've already decided he's not going to make it with us. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 10:53:28
I've heard that Williams thinks a lot of the club for the way they have been able to manage him after a tough spell higher up the leagues with injuries. It wouldn't surprise me if he chooses to stay, he seems to be really enjoying his football and has improved in my eyes this season.

Would Baudry be one to go into coaching with us perhaps? Or is he more likely to have something already arranged post football (think he might have mentioned something 'businessy' on a Podcast but I can't properly recall)

We don't appear to be doing anything at all with Massey, I may be wrong but he never appears in any games we arrange, either in the youths or friendlies or the Pizza Trophy. Surprised he hasn't been loaned out to get football, even at a low level to see what he can do. Maybe we've already decided he's not going to make it with us.  
From what I have heard Williams does indeed love it at the club and is very grateful for helping him through a rough point in his career, I would think if there is any chance we can gain promotion (laughs maniacally) then he will definately stay but could wait until the end of the season to sign.

Baudry himself said he doesn't want to go into coaching so he will retire and put imself into his business venture 100%.

Massey is a weird one, I think hes not fully fit but hes still very young (18) and has been out on loan at Hungerford and Wantage to get game time but there has been very little talk from the club about him.

Minturn is highly regarded at Swindon and I think he has the attributes to do well and will almost certainly be offered a new deal, Cowmeadow is well rated but had a failed loan at Slough terminated with very little game time, may be worth 1 more season.

Parsons seems to do well at Chippenham but for me he has not shown anything yet in any of his 25 appearances in the 1st team over the last 4 years, I think he needs to move to further his career.

Mo Dabre, hmmm not convinced there is a player or not yet in there, hes like a tasmanian devil and full of energy but doesnt do much when he has the ball, probably worth another year though if his succession of loans have been of use to him and us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 11:08:52
From what I have heard Williams does indeed love it at the club and is very grateful for helping him through a rough point in his career, I would think if there is any chance we can gain promotion (laughs maniacally) then he will definately stay but could wait until the end of the season to sign.

Baudry himself said he doesn't want to go into coaching so he will retire and put imself into his business venture 100%.

Massey is a weird one, I think hes not fully fit but hes still very young (18) and has been out on loan at Hungerford and Wantage to get game time but there has been very little talk from the club about him.

Minturn is highly regarded at Swindon and I think he has the attributes to do well and will almost certainly be offered a new deal, Cowmeadow is well rated but had a failed loan at Slough terminated with very little game time, may be worth 1 more season.

Parsons seems to do well at Chippenham but for me he has not shown anything yet in any of his 25 appearances in the 1st team over the last 4 years, I think he needs to move to further his career.

Mo Dabre, hmmm not convinced there is a player or not yet in there, hes like a tasmanian devil and full of energy but doesnt do much when he has the ball, probably worth another year though if his succession of loans have been of use to him and us.

I guess with players like Parsons, Dabre, Minturn and Massey etc the coaching staff probably need about 2 years (a time period completely plucked out of thin air) to develop them football wise and also as their bodies properly develop. There has to come a time whereby they reach a point where the club doesn't think they can be or become and asset and will be released.

Didn't we give Parsons a 3 year deal? He is 20 now so surely by the end of that 3 year spell we'll know if he is to have much of a future. Surely next year he needs a season at least at National League level?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: fuzzy on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 12:49:06
I think it is important to give the younger players a bit of time to develop.

I remember an away game a couple of years ago where Twine had the ball on the wing and got muscled off. As he trotted back to our half, someone behind me shouted “It’s a man’s game Scotty!” Which drew a wounded look from the lad.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, 14:05:04
Gladwin signed a new contract in January didn't he?
Wasn't mentioned how long but I'd imagine that next season is covered at least.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Saturday, December 10, 2022, 11:16:34
Baudry has done his ACL

career ender by the sound of it according to his instagram


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 10, 2022, 11:24:52
Quote
Baudry has done his ACL

career ender by the sound of it according to his instagram
I guess even if it was fixable, at his age it's over

didn't deserve for it to end like that


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:26:03
Confused.

Lindsey saying in the Barrow presser about present loan players that he’d like to keep Jephcott but it’s out of his hands.

Thought it was a done deal to buy him in January.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:30:05
Confused.

Lindsey saying in the Barrow presser about present loan players that he’d like to keep Jephcott but it’s out of his hands.

Thought it was a done deal to buy him in January.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=59431.msg1706554#msg1706554

See comment by JAM back in October. There was clarity from the club on the deal but I can't remember what it was. Personally I don't think he suits us at the moment, that's SL's job to change that and try and get the best out of him, and our other forward players for that matter.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:32:28
That comment seems at odds with Lindsey’s ‘it’s out of our hands’. Presuming the option to buy is also an option not to buy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:43:40
Its possibly out of SL's hands as if we (Clem) did go for CA I assume we wouldn't go for LJ so the final decision is out of SL's hands?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:45:11
He did say ‘our’ hands as if it’s the club.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 12:45:32
Scott Lindsey on Charlie Austin:

There has been a lot of speculation, and we are still in December, so we can't openly discuss what we are looking at. He has had a great career, but we can't discuss targets.

?*he is pushed on it and again says he can't confirm anything*


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 13:03:16
Maybe Lindsey doesn't want a strong personality at the club who would likely contest tactics etc if results were still poor.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 13:19:54
Quote from: horlock07
Its possibly out of SL's hands as if we (Clem) did go for CA I assume we wouldn't go for LJ so the final decision is out of SL's hands?

I haven't looked at the links so apologies if this is known :

from memory we claimed jephcott deal was agreed between clubs, but the player himself could still turn us down (terms, etc).

Though I guess that would be in our hands, I.e to up our offer but who knows


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 13:21:36
Need a left footed attacking player more than anything

 LWB if 352 or the left of the middle 2 in 442 diamond

Iandolo or FBT don't cut it at LWB. FBT is good at LB in a 4 or CB in a 3 but is not an attacking option. Darcy should be backup for Gladys or Williams, not convinced when he's ends up on the left and cuts inside into dead ends (also Iandolos speciality).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 14:00:47
Need a left footed attacking player more than anything

 LWB if 352 or the left of the middle 2 in 442 diamond

Iandolo or FBT don't cut it at LWB. FBT is good at LB in a 4 or CB in a 3 but is not an attacking option. Darcy should be backup for Gladys or Williams, not convinced when he's ends up on the left and cuts inside into dead ends (also Iandolos speciality).
Agree 100%


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 14:11:06
I think we need about 4 or 5 players to challenge, at least.

Two wide attacking players (if wanting the 4-3-3 option)
A central defender - which is alarming given how many are on the books
Maybe a central striker, depending on the formation question

All of the above would need to be first team ready, not potential.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 14:29:19
It's alright having a big squad but if many are no better than average I don't see the point as your just swapping like for like mixed in with a manager who seems to be lacking In nous and motivational skills. I much prefer a smaller squad with quality and have a look what's available if you get lots of injuries.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 14:33:38
It's alright having a big squad but if many are no better than average I don't see the point as your just swapping like for like mixed in with a manager who seems to be lacking In nous and motivational skills. I much prefer a smaller squad with quality and have a look what's available if you get lots of injuries.

Those ships have sailed - we need to adjust based on where we are.  I think we will struggle to offload a number as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 15, 2022, 14:34:34
Those ships have sailed - we need to adjust based on where we are.  I think we will struggle to offload a number as well.

That's the problem they all need paying.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, December 16, 2022, 10:47:44
Harrison Minturn has been recalled from his loan at Chippenham.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 16, 2022, 10:50:36
Harrison Minturn has been recalled from his loan at Chippenham.

Surprised that didn't happen sooner with three CB injuries (Baudry, Harries, Clayton). MacDonald's return seems to be being phased carefully, but have to think he'll be playing alongside Brennan this weekend. FBT covering well but think we'd all like him back on the left, and no other cover. Three games in a week from Boxing Day to New Year's Day before we can even begin to get reinforcements in.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 16, 2022, 17:40:11
I wonder what quality Sandro has lined up!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, December 17, 2022, 13:34:49
I wonder what quality Sandro has lined up!

Less than stellar hit rate so far. I can't say I have the most confidence in his spreadsheets.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 11:22:32
Anyone know when Austin is back in the country to undergo a medical so he can play as soon as the windows opens


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 11:27:45
Free transfers can be registered whenever I thought?

So Austin could theoretically play on boxing day. If the rumours are even true.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 11:55:19
Quote from: Pericardinho
Free transfers can be registered whenever I thought?

So Austin could theoretically play on boxing day. If the rumours are even true.

free agents can be

I'm not sure if cancelling a contract counts really. otherwise the rules could easily be sidestepped


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 12:20:21
Can’t register him until Jan 1


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 12:37:45
Free agents need to have been free agents before the window closed to be registered in-between windows.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 13:59:15
Plus there'll be the infamous international clearance that always seems to drag on. I'd imagine anyone who may have played overseas wouldn't be registered in time for the New Year's Day game, might have to wait till the 14th.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 15:34:54
Scott Lindsey on Charlie Austin:

There has been a lot of speculation, and we are still in December, so we can't openly discuss what we are looking at. He has had a great career, but we can't discuss targets.

?*he is pushed on it and again says he can't confirm anything*

Reads…..I don’t want Austin however the owner does so I’m fucked either way!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, December 18, 2022, 15:58:21
that can be read many many ways Hyabb!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, December 19, 2022, 13:37:20
According to the Plymouth Herald Jephcott should be fit for Walsall!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, December 19, 2022, 14:13:25
Nice one Charlie,  nice one son, nice one Charlie, let's have another one


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 19, 2022, 14:22:01
Nice one Charlie,  nice one son, nice one Charlie, let's have another one
'I said to only blow the bloody doors off!'


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Cheltred on Monday, December 19, 2022, 22:13:20
Scott Lindsey on Charlie Austin:

There has been a lot of speculation, and we are still in December, so we can't openly discuss what we are looking at. He has had a great career, but we can't discuss targets.

?*he is pushed on it and again says he can't confirm anything*
He didn't say No though


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, December 19, 2022, 22:27:41
According to the Plymouth Herald Jephcott should be fit for Walsall!
(Obtuse mode on) Does that mean he's signing for Walsall? (Obtuse mode off)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:52:17
With the transfer window looming, I wonder if we will be looking to move anyone on either season long loan's for the youngsters or anyone out out the door permanently ?

Considering we clearly signed players to play 3-5-2 and have since had to dispense with that formation as we clearly cant play that formation, you wonder if a few will depart.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 12:14:03
With the transfer window looming, I wonder if we will be looking to move anyone on either season long loan's for the youngsters or anyone out out the door permanently ?

Considering we clearly signed players to play 3-5-2 and have since had to dispense with that formation as we clearly cant play that formation, you wonder if a few will depart.
I think we will see Reed Harries(injury dependant) Tomi and someone like Dabre go. Still wouldn't shock me to see us accept a bid for someone like Khan too

I would happily change that midfield three, obviously i like Khan but him and Reed can't play in the same team for me. I would still like to see Clayton tried in the holding role as well at some point


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 12:14:18
Maybe Adeloye would be better off going out on loan just to take him out of the firing line etc. Also with Jephcott on his way back and maybe another forward coming in January it won't do his confidence any good getting hardly any game time between now and the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 12:18:49
Reed hasn’t been great so don’t think he’d be a massive loss.
Thought Harries was starting to look acceptable before injury and I’m convinced he probably has the best left foot at the club. Very limited viewing but not sure CB is his natural position. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at LB should FBT return to Burton.

Adeloye definitely needs to go out get some regular first team football, some goals and some confidence. Whether that’s on loan or permanent is up for debate.

No idea if he’s even fit now but Devine?! Dunno if we bought him for the future or the first team as a left back or a left wing back. Either way if he isn’t still injured he could do with going out on loan.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 12:24:57
Devine, Aguiar, Roberts, Adeloye, Parsons, Cowmeadow, Massey and Minturn could all go, probably on loan rather than permanently. But really depends on what comes in/the loanees - if FBT and Brennan go back, Devine and Minturn suddenly become pretty crucial.

One or two decent conference loans would be a real boost to our system I think - developing players is all well and good, but we need something in between Chippenham and our first team. Newport was the making of Twine, but we've not managed anything similar since.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 12:34:56
wasn''t Devine injured again in that newport game? Not heard much about it

Reed I hope we don't cash in. But isn't he ooc at the end of the year and no doubt in reasonable wage

Wonder if Jephcott is enjoying it here or not? I guess we'll see in this window.

Other than Brennan and FBT going back I can't see any other outs being likely outside those Nemo listed


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 13:41:24
Devine, Aguiar, Roberts, Adeloye, Parsons, Cowmeadow, Massey and Minturn could all go, probably on loan rather than permanently. But really depends on what comes in/the loanees - if FBT and Brennan go back, Devine and Minturn suddenly become pretty crucial.

One or two decent conference loans would be a real boost to our system I think - developing players is all well and good, but we need something in between Chippenham and our first team. Newport was the making of Twine, but we've not managed anything similar since.

I have vague recollection for saying something similar else where on the TEF recently.

We don’t get our players out on loan high enough up the pyramid. Particularly those who are past being youngsters fresh out the U18s.

Aguiar is a good example. Last season he came in & had some good games for us. Clearly a player in there. If he wasn’t going to be regularly in the squad this season then he’s exactly the type of player who would have massively benefited from a season long loan to a conference team.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 14:40:23
I have vague recollection for saying something similar else where on the TEF recently.

We don’t get our players out on loan high enough up the pyramid. Particularly those who are past being youngsters fresh out the U18s.

Aguiar is a good example. Last season he came in & had some good games for us. Clearly a player in there. If he wasn’t going to be regularly in the squad this season then he’s exactly the type of player who would have massively benefited from a season long loan to a conference team.

I wonder whether its simply a case of us not having links to any of the localish National League clubs, who would that be Eastleigh and Aldershot? with most of the NL teams being professional these days is the difference that great really between NL and L2?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 15:47:23
I wonder whether its simply a case of us not having links to any of the localish National League clubs, who would that be Eastleigh and Aldershot? with most of the NL teams being professional these days is the difference that great really between NL and L2?

All the more reason to get them out on loan & playing regularly in the NL is the standard is very similar.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 16:19:35
All the more reason to get them out on loan & playing regularly in the NL is the standard is very similar.

Playing devils advocate, if the standard of football and player is very similar why do they want our youngsters if they already have similar. It why I assume NLS is where they are ending up as the variations in level reflect that, much as us getting young L1 Champ players in. 

We do seem to be a bit chaotic in it all with some going out and playing and others playing and then we recall before they play very much albeit injuries don't seem to be helping.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 18:03:03
I think one of the differences with loans to the NLS is that the clubs ar part time - so when they are on loan at eg Chippenham, the players are able to train with our squad during the week.
Most national league clubs are full time now so they couldn’t do that, which may be a factor in the approach.
Obviously the standard they gain experience at is lower in NLS, but it’s probably a similar level physically.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 20:26:09
Playing devils advocate, if the standard of football and player is very similar why do they want our youngsters if they already have similar. It why I assume NLS is where they are ending up as the variations in level reflect that, much as us getting young L1 Champ players in. 

We do seem to be a bit chaotic in it all with some going out and playing and others playing and then we recall before they play very much albeit injuries don't seem to be helping.

Gaps in their squad they need to fill.

It’s like asking why did we bring FBT in from a bottom of the table L1 club. There can’t be that much difference between bottom of L1 and top 8 of L2 but we needed a left back, so we bought him in.

There might be a NL club that need a central midfielder with an eye for a goal or two to play every week, for example


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 09:21:39
Possibly so but then one must assume that none of them feel our younger players are good enough to fill any of the gaps.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 12:48:30
Been told to expect a very busy and productive window


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 12:50:57
Been told to expect a very busy and productive window
Excellent that is exciting. Are we likely to ship any out (including on loan) do you think?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 12:51:31
Let's hope for quality over quantity.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 13:14:12
Been told to expect a very busy and productive window

I've also been told that the Austin deal isn't dead so the coming days could be interesting.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 14:37:41
Been told to expect a very busy and productive window

Oooh. Interesting and exciting.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 16:50:44
Been told to expect a very busy and productive window

On the one hand, I hope this comes with significant learning, the fear is more of the same form this past summer.  The spreadsheet seems to have used the =RAND() formula a little too often for my liking.

Take FBT for example - he is clearly quite competent and probably the best left back at the club, plus he brings some versatility by looking OK at centre back.  For me, he's one we could tick off as being a good enough signing, but, he still looks like a player we should be doing better than if we want to be top 3 (and we should be aiming for that).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 16:59:59
I though FBT looked the type of player that is one to help us into the top 3.  It is of course subjective. There's a point there somewhere. Something to do with spreadsheets and black and white answers.

There have been a lot of players that have quite clearly not hit the mark. Better not name them as people get upset.

But my question is this. What term payback are we looking for on a player - at what point do we cut and run in the model? 1 season, 2 seasons? More? Less? Whatever the contract we gave them says?

How much capital is tied up on punts and how much does this prevent us from dabbling in the market.

If DMC is right, its all good. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 17:02:11
If you look at our summer transfers, the hit rate isn't so bad.

Seem pretty good or better:

MacDonald
RHM
Shade
Wakeling
Lavinier
Darcy
Khan
Hutton
Clayton
Jephcott
Brennan
Brynn
FBT

Seem like missteps, although could still step up:

Adeloye
Harries (suggestion is he was a pre-Sandro/Scott L signing)

Never really expected to be part of first team/not really clear yet:

Brann
Massey
Roberts
Devine

The issues in the summer were more about the balance of who we signed in which positions rather than actual talent identification, in my view. Maybe I'm being overly generous, but not sure there are too many in first category that are really up for debate.

A lot of the fringier players were already at the club - we just don't seem to have been very ruthless in saying this person isn't going to be part of the squad and can be shipped out.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 17:15:08
I think Roberts is highly rated by the management, came across that way in the docuseries thing anyway. Hes starting to have longer time on pitch as a sub now aswell


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 17:19:04
I think Roberts is highly rated by the management, came across that way in the docuseries thing anyway. Hes starting to have longer time on pitch as a sub now aswell
Oooooh Banbury friend


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 17:20:50
I still wouldn't be surprised If Jephcott went back to Plymouth in January and maybe loaned out elsewhere.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 21:04:16
I still wouldn't be surprised If Jephcott went back to Plymouth in January and maybe loaned out elsewhere.

Ditto. Be interesting if Austin joins and Jephcott stays also.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 21:45:34
If you look at our summer transfers, the hit rate isn't so bad.

Seem pretty good or better:

MacDonald
RHM
Shade
Wakeling
Lavinier
Darcy
Khan
Hutton
Clayton
Jephcott
Brennan
Brynn
FBT

Seem like missteps, although could still step up:

Adeloye
Harries (suggestion is he was a pre-Sandro/Scott L signing)

Never really expected to be part of first team/not really clear yet:

Brann
Massey
Roberts
Devine

The issues in the summer were more about the balance of who we signed in which positions rather than actual talent identification, in my view. Maybe I'm being overly generous, but not sure there are too many in first category that are really up for debate.

A lot of the fringier players were already at the club - we just don't seem to have been very ruthless in saying this person isn't going to be part of the squad and can be shipped out.

You're being kind to McDonald, Shade and Darcy. Clearly able players but haven't turned out much of note (Darcy at Mansfield aside).

I excuse Jephcott from that list on the basis the style of play has not been setup around him, which is illogical.

Also, Lavinier and Hutton both good but pretty pointless signing two good right backs while not signing anyone who brings attacking threat down the left.

RHM can clearly play but whether it's a good signing surely depends on him being able to get/stay on the pitch


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 21:47:49
I think Roberts is highly rated by the management, came across that way in the docuseries thing anyway. Hes starting to have longer time on pitch as a sub now aswell

He's been completely ineffective to date.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 21:57:36
One of the big disappointments this season has been the lack of progression for Aguiar.

7 goals in 14 in Conference South last season and impressed for a few games when he came back, before, understandably in his first season, tailing off. Decent off the bench first appearance this season. Then, useless - no output on the ball but also the worst/laziest closing down when the oppo have it


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 23:23:03
Been told to expect a very busy and productive window

Scenes when we let Reed go and sign absolutely no one…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 02:23:40
You're being kind to McDonald, Shade and Darcy. Clearly able players but haven't turned out much of note (Darcy at Mansfield aside).

I excuse Jephcott from that list on the basis the style of play has not been setup around him, which is illogical.

Also, Lavinier and Hutton both good but pretty pointless signing two good right backs while not signing anyone who brings attacking threat down the left.

RHM can clearly play but whether it's a good signing surely depends on him being able to get/stay on the pitch
Christ on a bike. You’ve slated just about everyone in your 3 posts. I fear supporting a L2 side isn’t for you.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 08:14:54
Middlesbrough unlikely to recall Brynn as they are really happy with his progress


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 08:34:30
Middlesbrough unlikely to recall Brynn as they are really happy with his progress

Well that is crucial news if we're to have any sort of chance.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 08:44:37
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23207022.middlesbrough-rule-recalling-sol-brynn-swindon-town/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 08:45:36
Great news.

Just need Father Christmas to deliver a left back or two to Burton so we can keep FBT


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 09:36:18
Fantastic news! Especially as he has almost singlehandedly helped us get to where we are with how leaky our defence is. We have the highest XG against from open play in the whole league and I dread to think where we would be with an average keeper between the sticks instead.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 09:50:40
Fantastic news! Especially as he has almost singlehandedly helped us get to where we are with how leaky our defence is. We have the highest XG against from open play in the whole league and I dread to think where we would be with an average keeper between the sticks instead.

We do? I note the "from open play" caveat, but Footystats (https://footystats.org/england/efl-league-two/xg) have us in 19th (i.e. 6th best) at 1.26 overall, and 2nd best for xG created (1.75). I know sources vary etc. etc. but that at least would suggest we're mildly underperforming.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 09:52:56
If we're using the open play caveat, it isn't great reading up the other end either. Last open play goal was well over 400 minutes of game time ago.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 09:55:50
Stats that matter are we are 4th with a chance to improve the squad in January.

Great position to be in


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 09:59:51
We do? I note the "from open play" caveat, but Footystats (https://footystats.org/england/efl-league-two/xg) have us in 19th (i.e. 6th best) at 1.26 overall, and 2nd best for xG created (1.75). I know sources vary etc. etc. but that at least would suggest we're mildly underperforming.
The lovely people at Opta have us 2nd (put 1st originally oops) for expected goals against from open play. And we've conceded less than that which shows how well Brynn is doing. Brynn has 5 goals prevented Vs his expected goals against.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/08/league-two-stats-2022-23/?_gl=1*1u2iul8*_ga*MTcyMDI3MTk4OC4xNjcwOTQzMDk0*_ga_BGFPTYQE1X*MTY3MTYzNzQ3My4yLjEuMTY3MTYzNzQ4My41MC4wLjA. (https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/08/league-two-stats-2022-23/?_gl=1*1u2iul8*_ga*MTcyMDI3MTk4OC4xNjcwOTQzMDk0*_ga_BGFPTYQE1X*MTY3MTYzNzQ3My4yLjEuMTY3MTYzNzQ4My41MC4wLjA.)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 10:01:39
Stats that matter are we are 4th with a chance to improve the squad in January.

Great position to be in
Aye it's definitely a great position to be in, especially with recruitment possibilities. But it doesn't bode well long term or sustainably that we can be so leaky and ride our luck with Brynn massively overperforming Vs every other L2 goalkeeper. We can't guarantee his form will last all season. We also can't guarantee that despite the quality we bring in in defence, that this current coaching setup can improve our leakiness


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 10:12:54
I think it's recognised we aren't the finished article :)

21 goals against isn't particularly leaky. I know your point is it might be but for Brynn, but it feels more stable than last year to my eyes

anyway, on looking that up so my eyes deceive me, or have Gillingham really only scored 6 goals?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 10:14:46
I think it's recognised we aren't the finished article :)

21 goals against isn't particularly leaky. I know your point is it might be but for Brynn, but it feels more stable than last year to my eyes

anyway, on looking that up so my eyes deceive me, or have Gillingham really only scored 6 goals?
Yup only 6 goals season to date. Absolutely grim season for them, although they're in the midst of a takeover by an American billionaire. Insert Larry David gif here.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 10:43:00
I think it's recognised we aren't the finished article :)

21 goals against isn't particularly leaky. I know your point is it might be but for Brynn, but it feels more stable than last year to my eyes

anyway, on looking that up so my eyes deceive me, or have Gillingham really only scored 6 goals?

21 conceded after 22 games compares pretty well against other recent seasons;

When we won* the title under Wellens we had conceded 24 after 22 games, last season we had conceded 26 after 22 games.

So not as dire as possibly made out. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 10:59:54
Stats that matter are we are 4th with a chance to improve the squad in January.

Great position to be in

Week's ban if you post any more positive shit without at least having a little moan


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 11:16:59
If you look at our summer transfers, the hit rate isn't so bad.

Seem pretty good or better:

MacDonald
RHM
Shade
Wakeling
Lavinier
Darcy
Khan
Hutton
Clayton
Jephcott
Brennan
Brynn
FBT

Seem like missteps, although could still step up:

Adeloye
Harries (suggestion is he was a pre-Sandro/Scott L signing)

Never really expected to be part of first team/not really clear yet:

Brann
Massey
Roberts
Devine

The issues in the summer were more about the balance of who we signed in which positions rather than actual talent identification, in my view. Maybe I'm being overly generous, but not sure there are too many in first category that are really up for debate.

A lot of the fringier players were already at the club - we just don't seem to have been very ruthless in saying this person isn't going to be part of the squad and can be shipped out.

My list would be something like:

Hits:
FBT
Wakeling
Brynn
Macdonald
Hutton
Khan
Clayton
Darcy

TBC:
RHM
Lavinier
Jephcott
Shade
Brann
Massey
Devine

Missed:
Adeloye
Brennan
Harries

Quite similar but not as many hits as previously suggested


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 11:23:05
A similar list, I guess three of the TBC have missed a lot of time through injury and another couple were youngsters for the future.

On first look it would suggest about a 50% hit rate


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 12:00:48
I don’t get this ‘we’d be in the shit without Brynn’. He’s doing his job - very well at the moment - which is what he’s supposed to do. I don’t remember anyone saying we’d have been in the shit without Doyle’s goals. Why should it be any different just because our keeper is good.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: oxonrobin on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 12:07:55
I don’t get this ‘we’d be in the shit without Brynn’. He’s doing his job - very well at the moment - which is what he’s supposed to do. I don’t remember anyone saying we’d have been in the shit without Doyle’s goals. Why should it be any different just because our keeper is good.

I think this view was born from those GK stats some time back across the 4 leagues that suggested that Brynn was saving far more than expected (xS?), could be concluded that we “should” have considerably fewer points than we do off the back of Brynn’s additional saves/over performing.

On Doyle, I think everyone acknowledged how important his goals were, but we did have a fair bit of the season without him, we weren’t shit by any stretch, but not title winners without him perhaps.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 12:13:54
I don’t get this ‘we’d be in the shit without Brynn’. He’s doing his job - very well at the moment - which is what he’s supposed to do. I don’t remember anyone saying we’d have been in the shit without Doyle’s goals. Why should it be any different just because our keeper is good.
We can and absolutely should be recognising Brynn's brilliance and yeah he is doing what every team wants from there goalkeeper, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't also be asking for a better and less leaky defence at the same time.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 12:41:51
We'd absolutely be in the shit without Bynn. This season with a Kovar type in goal and we're looking at possibly our worst ever league finish, I don't care how bad opposition finishing is in League Two.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 13:02:49
The fact that Brynn was MotM several times early in the season shows how important he has been.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 13:20:54
The fact that Brynn was MotM several times early in the season shows how important he has been.

He'll be towards the top of seasons across the season, I should think.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 13:25:14
For me Brynn has been pretty much the most consistant of all our side so far, yes he has had a few poorer appearances but in the main hes exactly what we have needed, as Chalky says if we had a keeper of similar standard to Kovar we would be facing relegation already IMHO.

A keeper on his own can cost you many many points with his errors are often they result in a goal, when a CB or fullback makes a mistake then its probably way less times that it results in a goal but a keeper fucks up and its almost certainly a goal.

Every great team had a great goalkeeper, often almost every poor team conversely has a poor keeper.

That said sometimes its time for the keeper to shine, without Scott Endersby in our worst ever finish in the league in 83/84 we would have probably finished in the bottom 2 positions in Div 4 but his heroics won him POTY conceding just 46 times in 47 games and keeping 12 clean sheets.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 14:41:50
Looking at some of the players from previous promotions out of league 2 you can clearly see we don't have that quality throughout the current squad.

2007
Jamie Vincent
Jerold Ifil
Jack Smith
Sofiene Zaaboub
Christian Roberts
Lee Peacock
Barry corr
Michael Timlin
Lucas Jutkiewicz

2012
Wes Fodringham
Alan McCormick
Aden Flint
Phil Caddis
Lee Holmes
Simon Ferry
Matt Richie
Paul Benson
Nathan Thompson
Johnathan Smith

2020
Steven Benda
Rob Hunt
Anthony Grant
Paul Caddis
Jordan Lyden
Jerry Yates
Lloyd Isgrove
Eoin Doyle
Michael Doughty
Kaine Woolery
Keshi Anderson




Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 15:28:38
I don’t think the 2006/7 squad was that impressive at all, Jim. It’s success was built on being extremely fit and well drilled by Wise then Sturrock. Very little what you’d call ‘star quality’.

2011/12 had some superb players and was above any other we’ve had at this level, albeit the budget would explain that (taking nothing away from Di Canio who was superb).

2019/20, agreed a class above the current squad.

That said, a lot is dependant on the quality elsewhere in the league and it doesn’t look all that this season - we aren’t too badly placed at all in 4th.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 15:39:36
I agree the quality of of league 2 definitely seems weaker this season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 15:50:38
Yeah the 2006/7 squad was not full of stars, just brilliantly drilled and played effective, unsexy football. The only players in that said that played consistently at a higher level afterwards were Jack Smith and Jutkiewicz, who was only a kid and hardly played. Roberts and Peacock both had done, but were on the way down.

Michael Pook started 32 games that season! Think he was better than many remember, but hardly a star. Ricky Shakes 26, Curtis Weston 21. We just didn't concede goals.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 16:09:29
Fatbury probably still loves Pook


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: oxonrobin on Thursday, December 22, 2022, 16:35:15
Ha, Ricky Shakes! I can still picture him clearing the Bank or Town End regularly with one of his “crosses”. I think we signed him based on his pace. Don’t think he had anything else.

Pook’s signature move was seemingly to scoop the ball over his head in vaguely the right direction. He was probably a marginally above average league 2 midfielder at the time.

I think the standards have just improved since then.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, December 23, 2022, 09:55:51
19/20 season was definitely class, but I suppose you would expect it the money that was being paid out at that time on players, if we had half those players in this team we would walk this league this season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Friday, December 23, 2022, 11:25:39
Christ on a bike. You’ve slated just about everyone in your 3 posts. I fear supporting a L2 side isn’t for you.

I said McD, Shade, Darcy, RHM and Jephcott (although with him I think it's the system more at fault than the player)are TBCs for me.

Aguiar disappointing and Roberts not yet at the level.

Not sure that's slating.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 23, 2022, 11:32:11
Not forgetting you reckon Hutton and Lavinier are pointless signings. That doesn’t leave many you rate - just Wakeling, I reckon.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Friday, December 23, 2022, 15:40:55
Not forgetting you reckon Hutton and Lavinier are pointless signings. That doesn’t leave many you rate - just Wakeling, I reckon.
😆 I said they are both good players!

But from a squad building point of view, having two good right backs while having no attacking threat down the left isn't very helpful.

Brynn, Hutton, Lavinier, Clayton Gladwin, Khan, Joniesta and Wakeling all look like players in a top 3 team.

That's pretty healthy but clear there have been some gaps. Which is obvious because we're not top 3, and won't be top 7 if teams win games in hand.

Edit: Forgot FBT who is also quality. But is either the same player as Clayton as left footed CB or needs to be LB in a 4 with a good attacking left sided player in front of him. Which shows it isn't just the individuals that matter, it's the system (e.g. Darcy would be more effective in a counter attacking system than possession focused) and how the individuals work together to balance their strengths/weaknesses (e.g. FBT has lots of good attributes but can't cross/make incisive attacking passes as LWB)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, December 23, 2022, 16:15:45
😆 I said they are both good players!

But from a squad building point of view, having two good right backs while having no attacking threat down the left isn't very helpful.

Brynn, Hutton, Lavinier, Clayton Gladwin, Khan, Joniesta and Wakeling all look like players in a top 3 team.

That's pretty healthy but clear there have been some gaps. Which is obvious because we're not top 3, and won't be top 7 if teams win games in hand.

Edit: Forgot FBT who is also quality. But is either the same player as Clayton as left footed CB or needs to be LB in a 4 with a good attacking left sided player in front of him. Which shows it isn't just the individuals that matter, it's the system (e.g. Darcy would be more effective in a counter attacking system than possession focused) and how the individuals work together to balance their strengths/weaknesses (e.g. FBT has lots of good attributes but can't cross/make incisive attacking passes as LWB)

It's a reason for my frustration. I would like to see a better setup/style/ formation whatever you want to call it to get the best out of these players.

We shouldn't be signing Jephcott if we are going to play how we do.

In my head Darcy is a 10 and nothing else, if someone else is playing that role- he doesnt play.

Williams is a inside left/behind the strikers.

Jephcot plays down the middle.

Gladwin plays in the middle if he starts. Not right wing sitting on the left back.

Brynn

Hutton, Clayton, Mcdonald, FBT

Reed, Khan, Williams

Shade, Jephcot, Wakeling.

A kind of 4, 2, 1, 3

Darcy can come in for Williams, Gladwin for Khan, Roberts for Shade, Iandolo for FBT, Lavinier for Hutton, Adeloye for Jephcot.

Start putting players where they play and play well


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, December 23, 2022, 16:44:33
I think we’ve signed decent defenders, but I don’t see any title challenging sides being too bothered about any of the midfield or attacking signings. They’ve been….fine….by and large, but I haven’t seen anything from any of them yet (bar wakeling) which would suggest they can develop to play at a higher level. Appreciate it’s early to come to that conclusion


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, December 23, 2022, 17:38:06
Plymouth have said they have no intention of recalling Jephcott in January.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 23, 2022, 18:10:18
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Plymouth have said they have no intention of recalling Jephcott in January.

recently?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 23, 2022, 18:12:23
recently?
From Pasoti today

Quote
To have our 3 strikers on 29 goals between them before Christmas is an incredible effort.
I'm sure we've had seasons when the entire team have scored fewer!

Steven Schumacher has indicated that Luke Jephcott and Ryan Law will not be recalled from their loan spells at Swindon Town and Gillingham.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: I JBZelieve We Will Win on Friday, December 23, 2022, 19:43:53
I don't think that Jephcott would add anything to Plymouth's current squad.  They are playing at a higher level and are succeeding with what they have. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, December 23, 2022, 19:51:39
thanks Venks


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, December 23, 2022, 20:11:26
He's 23 next month so needs to settle at a club and establish himself.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, December 23, 2022, 22:02:15
A forward line of Wakeling Jephcott and Austin excites me but be nice to have a Louis Barry/McKirdy type player to play off the main striker.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: aroundthefur on Friday, December 23, 2022, 23:47:23
How would Wakeling Jephcott and Austin fit into a starting XI? Or would your ideal XI see two of those three starting together (Jephcott and Austin?) with an impact player off the bench (Wakeling?).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 08:15:23
A forward line of Wakeling Jephcott and Austin excites me but be nice to have a Louis Barry/McKirdy type player to play off the main striker.



3 exciting strikers for sure.
Exciting as a front three? Not so sure.
Whilst they are all different types of players they are (imo anyway) all central strikers, so at best you could only play two of them at a time.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 08:48:16
And going by Lavinier’s performance at Barrow, how do we fit him and Hutton in the same starting XI?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 09:03:47
And going by Lavinier’s performance at Barrow, how do we fit him and Hutton in the same starting XI?

4231 with one at right back and one wide right of the three.

So, for arguments sake (all fit and what not)

Brynn

Lavinier
MacDonald
Clayton
FBT

Reed
Khan

Hutton
Gladwin
Williams

Jephcott

…and that still leaves Wakeling, Darcy, Shade, Roberts & Iandolo who could slot into a variety of those midfield/attacking midfield positions…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 09:05:29
Ref -  to what Div has said 3 into 2 won't go and behind the scenes with the Austin speculation gathering pace is that what Lindsey alluded to in his interview when asked about Jephcott when he said there is lots to sort out. Maybe Jephcott wants to know where he would fit before committing to Swindon permanently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 09:52:14
or maybe he simply he wants too much money

or maybe the deal wasn't as agreed as reported

or maybe he's not enjoying it....

well only one when we get told. But was the loan until January or season long. could we keep him and sort it out in June?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 11:16:27
Well, seeing as Plymouth have said they won’t be recalling him in January, the original loan must be a season-long one. As to whether there is an agreement in place to sign him on a perm in January, it’s difficult to know who’s telling the truth.

Is it a done deal with fee included that is set in stone? Is it just some verbal agreement that either club could wheedle out of if they wanted to? Does Jephcott have any say.

All will soon be revealed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 11:55:04
or maybe he simply he wants too much money

or maybe the deal wasn't as agreed as reported

or maybe he's not enjoying it....

well only one when we get told. But was the loan until January or season long. could we keep him and sort it out in June?

Or maybe it's a smoke screen and we're just agreeing a fee🤔


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 12:53:25
I thought it was announced when he signed that the fee had been agreed so it was a case of Town & the player agreeing terms.

So I guess the wages but also the contract length


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 13:02:02
Definitely a season long loan so no reason for us to do anything now unless Plymouth don't want to call him back or go to a tribunal next summer when he's out of contract.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/sport/football/plymouth-argyle-striker-luke-jephcott-7536799


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 13:20:40
3 exciting strikers for sure.
Exciting as a front three? Not so sure.
Whilst they are all different types of players they are (imo anyway) all central strikers, so at best you could only play two of them at a time.
Sorry mate agree, meant as options. Wouldn't work together


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 13:52:25
Head of Recruitment, Les, has replied to some of the Austin chatter on twitter. Saying that Sandro and Scott never said no, and that a 'rat' is trying to stir up this nonsense this up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 14:21:10
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvmSReQXqnA


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, December 24, 2022, 15:47:03
Quote from: Posh Red
I thought it was announced when he signed that the fee had been agreed so it was a case of Town & the player agreeing terms.

So I guess the wages but also the contract length

yup.

fee agreed, done and dusted
personal terms to be agreed

as reported anyway


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, December 25, 2022, 09:36:31
Well, seeing as Plymouth have said they won’t be recalling him in January, the original loan must be a season-long one. As to whether there is an agreement in place to sign him on a perm in January, it’s difficult to know who’s telling the truth.

Is it a done deal with fee included that is set in stone? Is it just some verbal agreement that either club could wheedle out of if they wanted to? Does Jephcott have any say.

All will soon be revealed.
All our loans Byrnn, FBT, Brennan and Jephcott were season long loans when they signed. But we all know they can be annulled in the January window by the parent clubs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, December 25, 2022, 18:16:00
Sorry mate agree, meant as options. Wouldn't work together

It’s a done deal


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, December 26, 2022, 14:05:43
I see the TEF's favourite youth teamers, Wynn-Davis and Taank have signed loans at Wantage Town.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, December 26, 2022, 14:18:08
I’m being told via someone who is close to someone who has the ear of top management that it is a done deal.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, December 30, 2022, 16:10:49
Delighted to make today's edit. Let's hope it works!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:09:47
Aguiar has joined Torquay on a short term loan.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:10:02
Aguiar -> Torquay (short term loan)

Lets hope that kick starts his season and he finds his mojo


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 11:16:37
Just wants to get away from Lindsey by the sounds of it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 12:52:24
Good move for him, hopefully.

Parsons and Dabre's loans should have expired, any news on extensions?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 12:55:43
Should probably encourage that to be a Permanent move, good technique but flits in and out of games which is why he was so far down the food chain to begin with.  Like Darcy really, worth a punt because there is some underlying talent that is obvious and probably shows up in those stats analysis packs.  What we have seen from both is that technique is already very good but in both cases I haven't seen any improvement in other aspects.  If anything they have both gone a little backwards.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 12:57:55
Should probably encourage that to be a Permanent move, good technique but flits in and out of games which is why he was so far down the food chain to begin with.  Like Darcy really, worth a punt because there is some underlying talent that is obvious and probably shows up in those stats analysis packs.  What we have seen from both is that technique is already very good but in both cases I haven't seen any improvement in other aspects.  If anything they have both gone a little backwards.

We gave him a new three year deal four months ago...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 13:01:43
I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong, but he is not an Alzate type player (similar style and technique) where you can see how he will go on to be better.  I just think what you see is what you get.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 13:08:17
really good move for aguiar albeit for a struggling team. i like to think there is potential in him and hopefully game time proves that.

that walsall 5 nil he was unbelievable. will be looking out for him the rest of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 14:17:50
Lots of potential on the ball. Pretty woeful off it.

The game when Aguiar and Gladwin were in centre mid earlier this season was horrendous. Two blokes with no interest in pressing nor tracking back.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 14:30:38
Jephcott definitely staying


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 15:03:58
Lots of potential on the ball. Pretty woeful off it.

The game when Aguiar and Gladwin were in centre mid earlier this season was horrendous. Two blokes with no interest in pressing nor tracking back.

For sure. Aguiar would look really impressive with a good team. not a team that is poor on form and lacking fight and without a centre mid rock to take control. A luxury player that this team can't carry with current personnel. that goes against his loan move to a struggling conference team- but regular football might just get that back into him.

someone that I am glad is on a 3 year contract that has potential to come back in during better times.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 15:14:24
Jephcott definitely staying

I bet he’s ecstatic.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 15:23:36
I heard a week or so ago that he had signed a 3yr deal (or 2 with an option) how accurate that is I don't know.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 4, 2023, 16:18:17
For sure. Aguiar would look really impressive with a good team. not a team that is poor on form and lacking fight and without a centre mid rock to take control. A luxury player that this team can't carry with current personnel. that goes against his loan move to a struggling conference team- but regular football might just get that back into him.

someone that I am glad is on a 3 year contract that has potential to come back in during better times.

I think that's possibly another flaw in the 'buy young to improve' plan in that young inexperienced players are likley to struggle and not really have the opportunity to develop in a poorly playing team.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 06:38:11
At least it looks like Clayton is now fully fit. The difference in points gained with and without him is stark.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 10:41:01
At least it looks like Clayton is now fully fit. The difference in points gained with and without him is stark.
We have won 8, drawn 5 and lost 5 with him playing.

But in 2 games he was subbed off Crawley and Northampton we were drawing those games when he was taken off and subsiquently lost them both so it could read won 8, drawn 7 and lost 3 with him playing.

When he hasn't played we have only won 2, drawn 3 lost 4 in the league.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 14:32:23
So Austin wears 11 then... can't change numbers mid season despite Cowmeadow being happy to do so.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 14:50:04
So Austin wears 11 then... can't change numbers mid season despite Cowmeadow being happy to do so.

Finally, a real reason to boo the suits at the Football League.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:37:40
So Austin wears 11 then... can't change numbers mid season despite Cowmeadow being happy to do so.

Unless you're Man Utd.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 5, 2023, 16:55:17
Unless you're Man Utd.

EFL vs Prem difference maybe?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:01:49
So Austin wears 11 then... can't change numbers mid season despite Cowmeadow being happy to do so.

I think if Cowmeadow went out on loan that would have freed his number up


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:30:22
I think if Cowmeadow went out on loan that would have freed his number up

Think we’d have to sell him like Manchester United did with Dan James to free up 21 for Cavanai to free up 8 for Ronaldo.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 6, 2023, 09:45:11
Think we’d have to sell him like Manchester United did with Dan James to free up 21 for Cavanai to free up 8 for Ronaldo.

Irrelevant now, but was there any reason why we could not have just released Cowmeadow and then immediately resigned him?

I imagine the club put all this to the EFL who told them to sod off.

Watching the various videos associated with Austin signing and this number business, he may be a fantastic striker but he is an awful actor!  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 11:30:26
Stats!



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 12:24:07
Wakeling really was brilliant earlier in the season and until recently.

Need that Wakeling back.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 12:29:17
Wakeling really was brilliant earlier in the season and until recently.

Need that Wakeling back.

The sceptic in me would say he's been pretty ineffective since he signed his long term contract. Perhaps the weight of expectation has affected him? He still works his bollocks off, but seems to have lost a bit of his 'edge'


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 12:36:07
The sceptic in me would say he's been pretty ineffective since he signed his long term contract. Perhaps the weight of expectation has affected him? He still works his bollocks off, but seems to have lost a bit of his 'edge'

Bad attack of the Coutinho, P's?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 12:41:27
The sceptic in me would say he's been pretty ineffective since he signed his long term contract. Perhaps the weight of expectation has affected him? He still works his bollocks off, but seems to have lost a bit of his 'edge'
I think Wakeling is suffering like Jephcott and Adeloye....they have little to zero service and even worse while Wakeling has been playing as a lone striker, something I don't think hes capable of yet to a level we need.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 12:49:46
The sceptic in me would say he's been pretty ineffective since he signed his long term contract. Perhaps the weight of expectation has affected him? He still works his bollocks off, but seems to have lost a bit of his 'edge'

More likely he is a young player who has limited first team exposure - his performances will vary.  He is probably a player you begin to blood rather than rely on.

On top of that, Lindsey looked stuck to me - someone with no real vision/imagination who was simply trying to retain the footprints of Garner.  The longer it went from Garner leaving, the more formulaic we looked - for all my comments saying Garner likely never makes it as a "Manager", he certainly had an impact coaching wise.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 16:22:18
Can we have this for Charlie rather than the Charlie, Charlie Austin chant? Least it would get the ground rocking.

https://youtu.be/vNf2l9SuHHA


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, January 11, 2023, 16:27:24
Can we have this for Charlie rather than the Charlie, Charlie Austin chant? Least it would get the ground rocking.

https://youtu.be/vNf2l9SuHHA

No, that song really needs to die already. Although saying that how long the Kolo Toure/Yaya Toure ones have been going at the darts, we have years left of it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 15, 2023, 23:12:59
Stolen from twitter. But interesting

Out of 26 league games Swindon have had 9 clean sheets. MacDonald has played 16 games of which 7 have been clean sheets almost half of the games he has played.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, January 16, 2023, 09:35:49
Stolen from twitter. But interesting

Out of 26 league games Swindon have had 9 clean sheets. MacDonald has played 16 games of which 7 have been clean sheets almost half of the games he has played.

bUt He CaNt PaSs ThE bAlL


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 16, 2023, 10:13:23
‘ Just need to clarify on loans… 2 weeks into January is the standard deadline for recalls. There can be exceptions if the clubs allow for recalls at any point.

Essentially, if your loan players are still with you, chances are they’re staying now. ’


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 16, 2023, 10:22:06
Essentially, if your loan players are still with you, chances are they’re staying now. ’
Famous last words ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, January 16, 2023, 10:35:19
‘ Just need to clarify on loans… 2 weeks into January is the standard deadline for recalls. There can be exceptions if the clubs allow for recalls at any point.

Essentially, if your loan players are still with you, chances are they’re staying now. ’

Didn't SDM say Brynn could go down to the last day whether he stays or goes?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, January 16, 2023, 10:48:14
Didn't SDM say Brynn could go down to the last day whether he stays or goes?

He did, although he didn't exactly sound like he understood the question fully.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, January 16, 2023, 10:56:51
It’s seems that unless specified otherwise in the loan contract the 14th is the cut off for loans being recalled


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, January 16, 2023, 12:53:54
Believe Sandro said the other day on BBC it was the whole month for Brynn


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 16, 2023, 13:13:51
It’s seems that unless specified otherwise in the loan contract the 14th is the cut off for loans being recalled

Where did you read that. Looked all over for it..
(I note DMC comment above though)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, January 16, 2023, 13:16:10
Where did you read that. Looked all over for it..
(I note DMC comment above though)

Try BBC sounds


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 16, 2023, 13:35:43
Try BBC sounds

The 14th date in general, not Brynn?!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, January 16, 2023, 13:42:30
The 14th date in general, not Brynn?!

Lower League Look posted it on Twitter.... I'm holding my breath until 1st Feb in any case.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 16, 2023, 13:48:48
ah, thanks.

Whelan just confirmed what we thought "Essentially it's contractual agreement compared to a strict rules. "

keep nervous


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, January 16, 2023, 20:29:01
It was on talk of the town last week as well in that interview we all had a benny about


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 10:55:39
I thought Sandro made an interesting point on the OSC yesterday ref sale value of players. Pointing out that goalkeepers are rarely sold for decent money so it makes sense to loan a player in that position, and spend our money on players in positions that are more likely to have higher resale values. Seems sensible. Expect lots more loan keepers and defenders then.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 11:20:38
I thought Sandro made an interesting point on the OSC yesterday ref sale value of players. Pointing out that goalkeepers are rarely sold for decent money so it makes sense to loan a player in that position, and spend our money on players in positions that are more likely to have higher resale values. Seems sensible. Expect lots more loan keepers and defenders then.

Which is weird, because a keeper like Brynn in the football league, is worth his weight in gold, in my opinion. Same with the BFG.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 11:27:21
Which is weird, because a keeper like Brynn in the football league, is worth his weight in gold, in my opinion. Same with the BFG.

Very valuable to the teams success for sure. Less profitable for the club though. So loaning top goalkeepers is a better use of cash. As long as you dont get a Kovar too often.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 18:38:53
I thought Sandro made an interesting point on the OSC yesterday ref sale value of players. Pointing out that goalkeepers are rarely sold for decent money so it makes sense to loan a player in that position, and spend our money on players in positions that are more likely to have higher resale values. Seems sensible. Expect lots more loan keepers and defenders then.

Which is great until they aren’t very good or they get injured or they get recalled and you end up going through 7 keepers in season.

I can see the logic behind the above but I also think it’s a position you need stability at as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 18:41:25
Maybe good news about FBT. From Burton

‘ Left sided defender Zak Ashworth joins on loan from West Brom.

20 years old played 2 league games for them last season.’


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 18:43:34
literally makes no sense to me.

should we only sign strikers because they make the most cash?

I'm sure if a hot young prospect became available we'd sign them. we've already signed a very young keeper in fact


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 20:30:26
literally makes no sense to me.

should we only sign strikers because they make the most cash?

I'm sure if a hot young prospect became available we'd sign them. we've already signed a very young keeper in fact

No. You do what we've done this season, tailor the mix of transfer fees paid, loans and free transfers in each area of the pitch with an eye to where you'll more likely to see a return.

It's why we've got one loan keeper and a free, why most of the defence are loans or frees, except Clayton and Hutton(?). Whilst in front of that we've one loan, Jephcott (who was only loaned because we couldn't sort out a perm deal on deadline day) and most of the signings are young players who might have a resale value of they develop.

It's clearly not a complete rule, hence Clayton, Hutton at the back, and being happy to sign Charlie, Willo and Gladders to add experience in the MF and up front, but it's a general pattern.

I think it's worth the club remembering that the club's reputation for a particular style of play has meant we've sold a lot of full backs and wingbacks for decent money over the years, well players that started in those positions anyway. Over the years I've probably seen more of them sold than any other position, (King, Bodin, Kerslake, Summerbee, Horlock (even if he was a midfielder by that point), Byrne. We probably pulled in more than £5m for that lot. It's be nice to continue producing that kind of player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 20:34:09
To back up what Sandro/Dalumpinski are saying, here's Peterborough's record sales list, obviously they're very good at this kind of thing.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/peterborough-united/rekordabgaenge/verein/1072

Of 13 £1m+ sales, only one (Ryan Bennett, CB) isn't a winger or forward.

It makes sense to skew the defenders towards the more experienced players in the team.

On our own list, you have to go down to 13th to find a defender (Bodin), assuming you don't count Byrne who was not a defender by the time we sold him!

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/swindon-town/rekordabgaenge/verein/352



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 21:04:24
You don't need to be an expert to know that forwards go for more money, also, that they are pretty much the only players who go for any money at this level.  You also do not need to be an expert to know that you wouldn't just go and recruit and play 11 strikers as a result.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 21:18:08
To back up what Sandro/Dalumpinski are saying, here's Peterborough's record sales list, obviously they're very good at this kind of thing.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/peterborough-united/rekordabgaenge/verein/1072

Of 13 £1m+ sales, only one (Ryan Bennett, CB) isn't a winger or forward.

It makes sense to skew the defenders towards the more experienced players in the team.

On our own list, you have to go down to 13th to find a defender (Bodin), assuming you don't count Byrne who was not a defender by the time we sold him!

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/swindon-town/rekordabgaenge/verein/352

Whilst the general principle remains this list has missed the Calderwood sale which would be put a defender in the top 10.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 13:37:06
According to SDM we are unlikely to sign Jephcott on a perm. Wants to sign FBT on a perm if that’s the only way we can keep him


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 13:44:05
According to SDM we are unlikely to sign Jephcott on a perm. Wants to sign FBT on a perm if that’s the only way we can keep him

Yeah, he said that on Monday on the ''on the sofa'' chat with the supporters club. Said we'd only do FBT if we had too but he expects him to be here for the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 13:51:48
Yeah, he said that on Monday on the ''on the sofa'' chat with the supporters club. Said we'd only do FBT if we had too but he expects him to be here for the season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAq-4y-b5oU

I haven't seen it yet but this is the chat you allude to I think.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 13:59:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAq-4y-b5oU

I haven't seen it yet but this is the chat you allude to I think.

That's the one.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Steak supper on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 17:47:40
i watched one of those osc videos the other day - how do i get myself on the panel  ?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 18:23:01
Well I hope Jephcott has been told personally.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, January 19, 2023, 18:32:14
Well I hope Jephcott has been told personally.
Sounded that way from the last interview I saw/heard/read. Seem to recall him saying he’d enjoyed his time, but lots can happen in football. He hoped he would have scored more goals to this point and to kick on and he’d see where he was at the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 17:52:56
Brennan staying on loan for the rest of the season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 17:57:02
yup. good news.. we are short in that area

BBC tweet:

#STFC will have defender Ciaran Brennan stay with them on loan for the rest of the season from Sheffield Wednesday, according to Technical Director @Shandydimich


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 18:10:29
yup. good news.. we are short in that area

BBC tweet:

#STFC will have defender Ciaran Brennan stay with them on loan for the rest of the season from Sheffield Wednesday, according to Technical Director @Shandydimich

I assume considering he has hardly been played he would be sent back to Sheff Weds, so unless they refused to end his loan


Title: Re: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 18:28:51
I assume considering he has hardly been played he would be sent back to Sheff Weds, so unless they refused to end his loan
I thought there were rumblings that they were gonna recall him due to lack of game time, I reckon we'll see a lot more of him til the end of the season. Decent player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 18:32:20
He's got a decent left foot and can see Austin gettin on the end of his crosses.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fudoa5menjU


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, January 21, 2023, 18:34:55
yup. good news.. we are short in that area

BBC tweet:

#STFC will have defender Ciaran Brennan stay with them on loan for the rest of the season from Sheffield Wednesday, according to Technical Director @Shandydimich
Is that because we are flogging McDonald?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Sunday, January 22, 2023, 13:16:49
Is that because we are flogging McDonald?

No. We got him on a season long loan. This is just confirmation that Wendies aren't recalling him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, January 22, 2023, 13:23:27
No. We got him on a season long loan. This is just confirmation that Wendies aren't recalling him.
What I mean is that we have perhaps persuaded Wendies to let him stay here (as there were rumblings he would be going back due to not playing) as his game time is likely to increase with injuries to Devine & Clayton. Then the crapness of Harries and potentially the (potential high earning) McDonald being offski.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 17:13:45
Was asked by a fan 9n another forum how much we are paying Austin.

Said I had no idea, but guessed £3k pw. He reckoned Macdonald is on £3.5k pw.

Is that likely?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 17:31:37
Was asked by a fan 9n another forum how much we are paying Austin.

Said I had no idea, but guessed £3k pw. He reckoned Macdonald is on £3.5k pw.

Is that likely?

The kind of places that tend to claim they know these things reckon that Williams is our highest earner. Which is odd as he signed under the strict embargo, but it's possible we backloaded his contract so he was on less last year (because of the cap_) in return for a higher salary this year. But honestly we don't know, although 3-5k for the very top tier earners feels about right in this division. Not for the average squad members though!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 17:32:58
Was asked by a fan 9n another forum how much we are paying Austin.

Said I had no idea, but guessed £3k pw. He reckoned Macdonald is on £3.5k pw.

Is that likely?

Well he was at a championship club when he signed for them so possible, I read an article with the top 20 highest earners in league 2 & Williams was in it on £4100 pw. How true that is I’ve no idea.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:23:54
2 medicals going on at Crawley.

I wonder . . .


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:33:45
2 medicals going on at Crawley.

I wonder . . .

1 will almost certainly be a keeper. They only have 1!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:37:55
So have we!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:39:33
So have we!

I'd forgotten about that! I suppose technically Copland is our number 2 but you would imagine we'd want someone a bit more reliable on the bench.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:44:13
So have we!

Got 3 ain't we Brynn, Brann (at least its easy for the Kitman) and Copland, a veritable bundle of riches.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 12:48:02
Got 3 ain't we Brynn, Brann (at least its easy for the Kitman) and Copland, a veritable bundle of riches.

Brann buggered his knee and is out for the season I think. Copland is 17 and I'd imagine some way off first team football. Does the emergency window still apply for keepers? I wonder if we might be going down that route rather than getting in a number 2.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:15:00
Because Copland hasn't played a first team game, I think we'd be able to get an emergency loan in outside of the window. Just have to hope Brynn doesn't do himself an injury in the warm up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:24:01
Sandro has said that there is no value in a L2 club owning a good keeper as nobody pays good money for them at that level. Loanee keepers it is then.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:42:02
The kind of places that tend to claim they know these things reckon that Williams is our highest earner. Which is odd as he signed under the strict embargo, but it's possible we backloaded his contract so he was on less last year (because of the cap_) in return for a higher salary this year. But honestly we don't know, although 3-5k for the very top tier earners feels about right in this division. Not for the average squad members though!

Williams today:

Quote
I signed under the embargo back in 2021, I have really enjoyed my time here. I am up in the summer, but I want to stay. If we can get something sorted then amazing, but if not then who knows. I have loved my time here, the fans have been amazing since I came in. There are a number of factors, I would love to get promoted and stay and if the offer is there then I would consider staying. We will see.

Money is important but not everything. You want to be valued and be a part of something. Many things, location as well. Big things are feeling valued, being apart of something, going to work every day and looking forward to it, and the manager playing you.

I guess it is football, you never really know what will work. The turnover in the summer was huge, we let a lot of good people go. In order to be successful you need to keep good people here, value people and keep a strong bond between the fans and in the dressing room. Sometimes it works, but sometimes you get injured. I really don't know what will happen. I have loved my time here and I am desperate to get promotion. I would like to stay, but we have to come to an agreement.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 13:55:02
Sandro has said that there is no value in a L2 club owning a good keeper as nobody pays good money for them at that level. Loanee keepers it is then.
Good with me - our best ‘keepers at this level in recent seasons have been loanees - Brynn, Benda, Foderingham (initially)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 14:07:14
Good with me - our best ‘keepers at this level in recent seasons have been loanees - Brynn, Benda, Foderingham (initially)

and also our worst.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 14:08:21
Williams today:


Get him a contract offer out ASAP. One player that will still be straight on the team sheet if we're in League One.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 14:19:39
Get him a contract offer out ASAP. One player that will still be straight on the team sheet if we're in League One.

I suspect it depends on which league we'll be in next season. If it's true that he is on £4k+ per week that's a lot of outlay for a league 2 player. I think if we get promoted it's a stick on he'll get another contract offer. He's been good this season so i'd hope we are doing what we can to retain him, come what may.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 15:48:47
I suspect it depends on which league we'll be in next season. If it's true that he is on £4k+ per week that's a lot of outlay for a league 2 player. I think if we get promoted it's a stick on he'll get another contract offer. He's been good this season so i'd hope we are doing what we can to retain him, come what may.

No chance Williams is here next season with Sandro making decisions.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 15:49:18
Didn’t know where to put this

Most goals scored in the EFL since 2000 (play-offs excluded)

1️⃣Peterborough United - 1533
2️⃣Bristol City - 1450
3️⃣Rochdale - 1424
4️⃣Swindon Town - 1419


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 15:51:47
Didn’t know where to put this

Most goals scored in the EFL since 2000 (play-offs excluded)

1️⃣Peterborough United - 1533
2️⃣Bristol City - 1450
3️⃣Rochdale - 1424
4️⃣Swindon Town - 1419

We must be pretty high up the goals conceded chart too, seeing as we've ended up net two divisions lower than we were in 2000, and have been relegated five times in total!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 16:14:16
Didn’t know where to put this

Most goals scored in the EFL since 2000 (play-offs excluded)

1️⃣Peterborough United - 1533
2️⃣Bristol City - 1450
3️⃣Rochdale - 1424
4️⃣Swindon Town - 1419
TBH Rochdale genuinely surprises me as they have had a fair few struggling seasons recently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, January 26, 2023, 17:16:45
TBH Rochdale genuinely surprises me as they have had a fair few struggling seasons recently.

I bet if you looked, there aren’t actually that many teams that have stayed in only the EFL during that time. Will have been a fair few that have played premier league football, and others that were in non league.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:12:35
Whilst we want open and transparent communications from the club, I'm not liking the extent of interaction from players on twitter.

To get players keep responding to negative fans tweets isn't going to work and someone at the club needs to keep a lid on it. RHP last week, wakeling yesterday and austin sticking up for him.

If you continuously react to every fans opinion your going to eat yourself up and it will effect you. If we lose badly there are going to be hundreds of these comments floating around and you can't respond and stoke the fire. Ignore


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:16:33
I think with how quickly falsne bollocks gets spread around on twitter now it makes sense to argue your point. That in particular was Wakeling standing on the spot and waiting with the ball for Austin. That escalated into people saying he isn't a team player isn't committed to the team etc.... Why shouldn't he respond to that


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RWB Robin on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:22:42
I don't disagree, but some fans need to understand what effect their moronic comments have on players. Why should we have the freedom to pour out bile at individuals because they didn't have their best game of football and not hear directly back from them? Wakeling is a young, up and coming player learning his trade. We have the power to destroy his confidence, and we need to understand that. There is enough going around at the moment about mental health in football for anyone to see the dangers.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:31:59
I don't disagree, but some fans need to understand what effect their moronic comments have on players. Why should we have the freedom to pour out bile at individuals because they didn't have their best game of football and not hear directly back from them? Wakeling is a young, up and coming player learning his trade. We have the power to destroy his confidence, and we need to understand that. There is enough going around at the moment about mental health in football for anyone to see the dangers.

Hutton came out and defended Wakeling as well on Twitter. I'm on the fence a bit, I do like how mature Hutts seemed to be, didn't go overboard and just explained this is Wakeling's first season and statistically he's having a pretty good season. That said I do also think long term its probably better players don't get involved, especially if things turn worse.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:33:25
I don't think you can apply the moronic comments thing to just football fans, it seems absolutely prevalent in every walk of life on social media, for every 3 or 4 good comments there is one comment that does nothing more than attack an individual directly.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:39:04
Hutton came out and defended Wakeling as well on Twitter. I'm on the fence a bit, I do like how mature Hutts seemed to be, didn't go overboard and just explained this is Wakeling's first season and statistically he's having a pretty good season. That said I do also think long term its probably better players don't get involved, especially if things turn worse.
Stats show he’s top of the U21 goals and assists in L2.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:40:35
I don't think you can apply the moronic comments thing to just football fans, it seems absolutely prevalent in every walk of life on social media, for every 3 or 4 good comments there is one comment that does nothing more than attack an individual directly.

Spot on JJ, I alluded to this on the political thread. Some people don't seem to want a discussion, they just want a mindless attack. This 'be nice' thing after that TV presenter took her own life didn't really get far sadly did it?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:40:47
Stats show he’s top of the U21 goals and assists in L2.
He has been for a while I believe as he started really well but hasn’t hit the same heights recently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:46:38
He’s 19. Next season, watch out L1!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:47:42
He’s 19. Next season, watch out L1!
Agree. He is twice the player Twine was at that stage of his career


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:48:34
He’s 19. Next season, watch out L1!
*21 and a half ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 10:49:19
He's also 21, but still young.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 11:02:03
I reckon there could be a couple of presently meh players improving no end under Morris.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 11:22:29
I reckon there could be a couple of presently meh players improving no end under Morris.
Thats the thing with young players, its rare that players over 28 become much better under a new manager but with guidance and coaching often young players progress much better (can work the opposite of course too).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 11:36:21
Whilst we want open and transparent communications from the club, I'm not liking the extent of interaction from players on twitter.

To get players keep responding to negative fans tweets isn't going to work and someone at the club needs to keep a lid on it. RHP last week, wakeling yesterday and austin sticking up for him.

If you continuously react to every fans opinion your going to eat yourself up and it will effect you. If we lose badly there are going to be hundreds of these comments floating around and you can't respond and stoke the fire. Ignore

I've just found the Wakeling/Austin thing. Im staggered that the fan seemed to be suggesting that he wasn't 100% committed. Whilst it's not quite happening for Wakeling I genuinely find it staggering you could think that about him, he gives his all every time he steps on the pitch, his commitment is exemplary.

Also what it not on is abusing that fan and his family via DM. Twitter can be such a cess pit sometimes.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 11:52:00
Whilst we want open and transparent communications from the club, I'm not liking the extent of interaction from players on twitter.

To get players keep responding to negative fans tweets isn't going to work and someone at the club needs to keep a lid on it. RHP last week, wakeling yesterday and austin sticking up for him.

If you continuously react to every fans opinion your going to eat yourself up and it will effect you. If we lose badly there are going to be hundreds of these comments floating around and you can't respond and stoke the fire. Ignore

I think with how quickly falsne bollocks gets spread around on twitter now it makes sense to argue your point. That in particular was Wakeling standing on the spot and waiting with the ball for Austin. That escalated into people saying he isn't a team player isn't committed to the team etc.... Why shouldn't he respond to that
Broadly speaking I agree with both of the above. Stay away from it unless something particularly spurious / offensive has been posted. Then you reply, put the record straight and come out of there because if you don't you get dragged into an ever downward spiral.

FWIW I thought the original comment from the Town fan was quite a strange one and was really making something out of absolutely fuck all.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 12:05:51
Broadly speaking I agree with both of the above. Stay away from it unless something particularly spurious / offensive has been posted. Then you reply, put the record straight and come out of there because if you don't you get dragged into an ever downward spiral.

FWIW I thought the original comment from the Town fan was quite a strange one and was really making something out of absolutely fuck all.

the bigger issue is you will always find someone that will criticise and an important thing is they might not even be swindon fans that comment.

It would be a full time job a top level footballer to reply to every negative comment. Think it was Roy Keane saying Rashford and Co should stop posting every week apologising for performances and do the talking on the pitch.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 12:08:16
Thats the thing with young players, its rare that players over 28 become much better under a new manager but with guidance and coaching often young players progress much better (can work the opposite of course too).

Ossie managed to improve Macari's players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 12:15:41
Thats the thing with young players, its rare that players over 28 become much better under a new manager but with guidance and coaching often young players progress much better (can work the opposite of course too).
Agree, the good thing on our side though is i think some of these players went backwards under Lindsey so hopefully Morris improves that. Shade looks a better player already under Gunning/Mildy


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 12:20:58
Ossie managed to improve Macari's players.
TBH all the players we had under Macari and Ardiles were great players anyway, Ardiles managed to bring in a couple of players to improve the side but the neucleus of the Macari team was brilliant anyway.

Ardiles took a team that finished in 4th place under Macari in 88/89 and they finished in 6th place under Ardiles in 89/90 they just had an easier ride in the play off.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 12:25:47
Agree, the good thing on our side though is i think some of these players went backwards under Lindsey so hopefully Morris improves that. Shade looks a better player already under Gunning/Mildy
Indeed, at times severeal of the players who looked good under Garner looked much worse under Lindsey, Reed & Iandolo are 2 that went backwards.

I still think there is a player in Shade too despite many posters disagreeing, again he needs to find his best position and role in the team.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 15:24:57
Indeed, at times severeal of the players who looked good under Garner looked much worse under Lindsey, Reed & Iandolo are 2 that went backwards.

I still think there is a player in Shade too despite many posters disagreeing, again he needs to find his best position and role in the team.

I think Shade is an instinctive player, much better when he doesn't have to think about what he's doing.

We couldn't understand yesterday why he didn't attack the full back more, he had him on toast for speed


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 17:42:28


I still think there is a player in Shade too despite many posters disagreeing, again he needs to find his best position and role in the team.

Me being one :-)

I can see why people think the opposite of me though - like you describe, I bet every Manager he has played under thought the same.  He looks on the edge of being a player, but I just don't see from him the ability to go beyond what he is right now.  I think this is it.  I have no doubt he looked better as a youth prospect, probably outsized players, more pace, more physicality etc.  I just think he probably had it a bit easy but once he got to mens football everyone just overtook him.  As a result he missed a few years of what should have been developing his skills further, his instincts, the footballing brain if you like.

For utterly different reasons, RHM looks like a young teenager just getting his first sight of mens football.  He looks very "raw", which is likely because he kept getting injured.  Again, for different reasons, he has missed a few years of development.  Difference with him is that he missed it completely, so he can probably be coached a bit more, be more open to understanding he is behind where he would have been.

I would love for both to come good, I reckon only the latter has a real chance.  Shade may bob along at this level I think.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 17:46:13
Me being one :-)

I can see why people think the opposite of me though - like you describe, I bet every Manager he has played under thought the same.  He looks on the edge of being a player, but I just don't see from him the ability to go beyond what he is right now.  I think this is it.  I have no doubt he looked better as a youth prospect, probably outsized players, more pace, more physicality etc.  I just think he probably had it a bit easy but once he got to mens football everyone just overtook him.  As a result he missed a few years of what should have been developing his skills further, his instincts, the footballing brain if you like.

For utterly different reasons, RHM looks like a young teenager just getting his first sight of mens football.  He looks very "raw", which is likely because he kept getting injured.  Again, for different reasons, he has missed a few years of development.  Difference with him is that he missed it completely, so he can probably be coached a bit more, be more open to understanding he is behind where he would have been.

I would love for both to come good, I reckon only the latter has a real chance.  Shade may bob along at this level I think.
The thing for me is that he was playong better than this level last season. He was very highly thought of at Walsall last season and was wanted by them and other clubs. Weirdly, Murphy i didn't realise is the eldest of the 2 and at times looked headless yesterday but like you say there are glimpses of quality. I would like to think they are boach very coachable


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 17:47:12
RHM reminds me of that trialist that looks decent but does a bit too much.

But he's good at creating a bit of space, and a good assist yesterday with the cross


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 19:19:48
Spot on JJ, I alluded to this on the political thread. Some people don't seem to want a discussion, they just want a mindless attack. This 'be nice' thing after that TV presenter took her own life didn't really get far sadly did it?

Also, on the flip there is also recognising when someone is having a joke/horseplay (which depending on an individual's mood at the time, can sometimes be difficult to translate; esp. online). Like me the other day, telling you to 'shut up Gareth...' was nothing more than a joke. Which I'm certain you know it was but others may have read it thinking I was having a serious pop at you.

Never the case though as you're in my top 5 all time fave gingers, and only one place below Ralph Graham. Talking of former players, has MacDonald officially been announced as gone yet?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 19:42:45
Also, on the flip there is also recognising when someone is having a joke/horseplay (which depending on an individual's mood at the time, can sometimes be difficult to translate; esp. online). Like me the other day, telling you to 'shut up Gareth...' was nothing more than a joke. Which I'm certain you know it was but others may have read it thinking I was having a serious pop at you.

Never the case though as you're in my top 5 all time fave gingers, and only one place below Ralph Graham. Talking of former players, has MacDonald officially been announced as gone yet?
I was guilty of that myself to you earlier tbf. You carry on as you are, ignore miserable cunts like me


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, January 29, 2023, 22:19:51
I was guilty of that myself to you earlier tbf. You carry on as you are, ignore miserable cunts like me

Stop derailing the thread, you miserable cunt :)

You seem alright tbh


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 16:54:51
Who will be the new captain do we think? FBT, Austin, Williams?

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 16:55:46
Who will be the new captain do we think? FBT, Austin, Williams?

Sent from my XQ-AD51

I think Austin with FBT vice - or vice versa.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 16:56:35
Austin was captain on Saturday wasn't he? So, him on that basis I would say...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 17:20:07
If Williams stays and signs a new contract he should be Vice, but FBT would be a good choice too.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 07:48:22
When 4 out of your 6 best players are full backs it creates a dilemma of how to shoehorn them into a system..

We've been awful every game we've started 3 at the back so nervous to say it, but 3-4-1-2 probably makes most sense.

Brynn
Lavinier Clayton/Brennan FBT
Hutton Khan Cain Tomlinson
Williams
Austin Wakeling


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 07:59:24
Brynn
Tomlinson Clayton FBT Hutton
Williams Khan Cain Lavinier
Austin Wakeling


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:01:59
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Brynn
Tomlinson Clayton FBT Hutton
Williams Khan Cain Lavinier
Austin Wakeling

you've got got left and right the wrong way round?

I think it looks good, but I'm not sure how much 'fight'  khan and Cain give you.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:05:31
Depends how you are viewing it!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:05:35
I think it looks good, but I'm not sure how much 'fight'  khan and Cain give you.

More than Darcy and Iandolo off the bench!

I think if you're playing Hutton and Lavinier, you'd play Hutton further forward.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:16:40
Don't forget the new signing Dylan Kadji, who the Shitty staff rate very highly, a box to box 6 foot 2 midfielder who doesn't mind a tackle or 2.

He could be a surprise and impress for us. Can play DMC or anywhere in midfield.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:23:20
Don't forget the new signing Dylan Kadji, who the Shitty staff rate very highly, a box to box 6 foot 2 midfielder who doesn't mind a tackle or 2.

He could be a surprise and impress for us. Can play DMC or anywhere in midfield.

He could be, just an unknown. Forget the "highly rated", we've had both results from them!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:23:43
Depends how you are viewing it!

The normal way  :D :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:24:43
He could be, just an unknown. Forget the "highly rated", we've had both results from them!
I like this type of loan, a bit of a gamble. He could come in and make a difference, I won't write him off straight away though just because we haven't heard of him previously.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:31:48
I like this type of loan, a bit of a gamble. He could come in and make a difference, I won't write him off straight away though just because we haven't heard of him previously.

To clarify - I'm not writing him off. I'm just saying he's unknown and can go either way. For all we know he could be prime Anthony Grant on young legs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:32:28
Formation wise we’ve got a squad for 4231.
Think with the personnel we’d be made to line up any other way.

As shown by Gunning on Saturday and Lindsey most of the season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: hefty toe on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:37:17
Does anyone know what's going on with Reece Devine. Haven't read that he's injured. Is he just out of favour?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:38:02
To clarify - I'm not writing him off. I'm just saying he's unknown and can go either way. For all we know he could be prime Anthony Grant on young legs.
Not suggesting that you are but I am sure many shrugged their shoulders at his signing. As you say he could be the next Grant, hopefully.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:38:20
Does anyone know what's going on with Reece Devine. Haven't read that he's injured. Is he just out of favour?
He is just back from his latest injury and in training.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:38:25
Formation wise we’ve got a squad for 4231.
Think with the personnel we’d be made to line up any other way.

As shown by Gunning on Saturday and Lindsey most of the season

took me a while. Mad indeed. But 3 at the back seems to be the fashion du jour


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:40:30
He is just back from his latest injury and in training.

Yeah, I think Mad Gav said 'back running on grass' so I guess he's out for a while yet. I can't even remember his position - left back? If so I suppose Tomlinson signing backs up that he's not near.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 08:56:40
He could be, just an unknown. Forget the "highly rated", we've had both results from them!
Might be a strange thing to say, but I would probably have more confidence at this level with someone who is highly rated by a Championship club v. someone highly rated by a PL club. The latter seem to generally be technically brilliant but lightweight and a bit clueless unless someone is telling them exactly what to do.

As said previously I suspect Haaland would be a shadow of the player he is if he had come through a highly drilled technical and rigid PL academy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 09:27:47
Agreed horlock - I also think in the past we just had a few that played u23 football and didn't quite adjust to EFL football - play to win.

But we've also had a fair few that did. Clayton this year straight on it for example. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 12:01:05
When is Tomlinson expected to be fit?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 12:55:59
When is Tomlinson expected to be fit?
I have heard alternately end of Feb and early March.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 13:03:23
I have heard alternately end of Feb and early March.

I didn't realize we signed an injured player? Has to be end of Feb surely. If its end of March it means he is here for 1 month? Subject to the deal being made permanent of course.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 13:12:17
I didn't realize we signed an injured player? Has to be end of Feb surely. If its end of March it means he is here for 1 month? Subject to the deal being made permanent of course.
Could always have been a tactical injury at Peterborough....


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 13:27:16
he said he was ready to go in the interview.

I assumed he was ok?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 13:29:42
he said he was ready to go in the interview.

I assumed he was ok?
Hmmm tactical injury at Posh then, excellent.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 13:45:40
It would have been a bit odd to use a loan signing on an injured player, maybe he had hurt feelings at Posh.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 20:13:19
As Morris is a graduate of the Hoddle era do you think he's ever set up with a sweeper? Could Lavinier play that position  between Clayton and FBT.

Hutton and Tomlinson  as wing backs. Cain and Kahn in the middle. Williams in the hole behind Austin and one of Jephcott, Wakeling or RHM

Yes I've never really moved on from the Ardiles and Hoddle era really.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 20:17:25
As Morris is a graduate of the Hoddle era do you think he's ever set up with a sweeper? Could Lavinier play that position  between Clayton and FBT.

Hutton and Tomlinson  as wing backs. Cain and Kahn in the middle. Williams in the hole behind Austin and one of Jephcott, Wakeling or RHM

Yes I've never really moved on from the Ardiles and Hoddle era really.

Love how your signature is 'never go back' :D

I wouldn't have imagined Lavinier as a sweeper - I tend to think of them as technically gifted midfielders generally (Hoddle, Miglioranzi, etc), but Nathan Thompson sort of did that role - he certainly carried the ball a long way out of defence, anyway, and he was/if a full back. Stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 22:14:20
Love how your signature is 'never go back' :D

I wouldn't have imagined Lavinier as a sweeper - I tend to think of them as technically gifted midfielders generally (Hoddle, Miglioranzi, etc), but Nathan Thompson sort of did that role - he certainly carried the ball a long way out of defence, anyway, and he was/if a full back. Stranger things have happened.

Culverhouse played there as well for us and Norwich.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 3, 2023, 14:37:31
Swindon Town midfielder Morgan Roberts has agreed to join Vanarama National League side Aldershot Town on loan for the rest of the season, subject to EFL approval...

#STFC 🔴⚪️


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 3, 2023, 14:41:29
Good move for him that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 3, 2023, 14:41:35
Good move


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, February 3, 2023, 15:53:48
Good move for him


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 3, 2023, 20:48:29
Aguiar back from Torquay and not extending his loan, sounds like it was his choice to try and impress Morris which is understandable.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 6, 2023, 08:46:22
Sonny Hart joins Harrow Borough on loan


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, February 6, 2023, 08:59:12
Sonny Hart joins Harrow Borough on loan

Is he Adam Harts son?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 6, 2023, 09:31:10
Is he Adam Harts son?

Yeah I think so. Our chief scout thinks a lot of him, he said he is a top young talent with a big future with clubs interested in him. He also said he can't see us keeping hold of him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:10:30
Yeah I think so. Our chief scout thinks a lot of him, he said he is a top young talent with a big future with clubs interested in him. He also said he can't see us keeping hold of him.
Hes a pretty big old unit too IIRC. Came on as sub in the Palace game in the EFLT in the CB position.

Yes he is the son of our Operations Director Adam Hart.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:23:19
Really good player


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:36:03
Can someone remind me what's wrong with Reece Devine? Bad luck, or a known risk that hasn't paid off so far? How long a contract is he on?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:43:17
Can someone remind me what's wrong with Reece Devine? Bad luck, or a known risk that hasn't paid off so far? How long a contract is he on?

Two year contract. He's had injuries, but then just doesn't get mentioned for a while. Lindsey (and Gunning) have both said a few times that he looks really good in training. It's a really odd one, I think there's more to it than just injury but I don't know anything.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2023, 10:46:49
As nemo says hes been unlucky with injuries, hes back in training now but I doubt we will see much of him this season.

He played in the EFLT game with Plymouth where he played 83 mins and looked very solid. He was also a sub in the Stockport game (unused) in the FA cup.

Has suffered a few injuries previously while at Man Utd, Walsall and St Johnstone and now with us. Hopefully hes not a sicknote but its looking increasingly likely he is.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 6, 2023, 11:09:56
not really picking up on anything other than him being a Lyden.

was last injured in that behind doors friendly v Newport but as above, edging closer to training. Think he was either back on grass or close to.

I've written him off for the season too


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, February 6, 2023, 13:03:25
not really picking up on anything other than him being a Lyden.

was last injured in that behind doors friendly v Newport but as above, edging closer to training. Think he was either back on grass or close to.

I've written him off for the season too

Having seen Newport on Saturday, it strikes me they may not have been the best opponents to choose for a "friendly".


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2023, 13:29:47
Having seen Newport on Saturday, it strikes me they may not have been the best opponents to choose for a "friendly".
Ironically too...Adeloye has only ever scored (against league opposition) goals for Swindon vs Newport too, both goals vs the same opponent.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 6, 2023, 13:39:53
Ironically too...Adeloye has only ever scored goals for Swindon vs Newport too, both goals vs the same opponent.

Didn't he get one v Chippers?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2023, 13:45:41
Didn't he get one v Chippers?
If he did sorry I missed that one :)

Amended.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 15:17:43
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/mo-dabre-completes-loan-switch-to-worthing/

Dabre to Worthing (National League South) until EOS.

Out of contract in the summer, so needs a big few months you'd think.

Anyone know anything about Parsons, Massey or Cowmeadow's loans? They should have expired, not sure if they're all back at the club?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 17:41:51
honestly forgot we had him until a couple of days ago.

I wish him well but an utterly pointless signing. That's the way it goes


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 17:48:46
honestly forgot we had him until a couple of days ago.

I wish him well but an utterly pointless signing. That's the way it goes

These signings are total punts and I imagine cheap as chips to boot. Obviously some potential ability was spotted but it doesn't always work out. With hindsight you have to admit it was pointless but given where we are looking to hit the jackpot talent wise there are likely to be more misses than hits and I'm not against it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 9, 2023, 17:57:52
oh I agree, especially at that time

But you have to get the balance right. And not knackered your playing budget doing it


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:23:08
I imagine the management team will still watch them in training  - as you suspect where they have gone are part time -  and asses them, just they are getting game time down in non league.

Unfortunately some of the younger pro's don't seem close to the 1st team with youth teamers making the bench at times ahead of them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:24:16
What was the length of ban's for Khan & Hepburn-Murphy ?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:32:03
Khan missed tomorrow then clear.

Hepburn-Murphy 3 games - Donny, Sutton and Salford (both away)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 11:44:47
Parsons to Farnborough (NL South) until EOS. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 11:49:05
Parsons to Farnborough (NL South) until EOS. 
Interesting as I thought he would stay at 'Nam for the rest of the season. Similar level but actually vying for the play offs rather than fighting relegation with Chippy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 12:10:38
He really should have stepped up from that level by now.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 12:22:05
He really should have stepped up from that level by now.
I fear thats his level but who knows, hes 20 now and of course could still improve a fair bit.

Hes the same age now that Twine was when he had a good loan at Chippenham before the loan to Newport that made him and we all know he worked out ok.

I personally havent seen much in Parsons yet though to show he will improve.

Some players are later developers anyway though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, February 11, 2023, 15:10:30
I fear thats his level but who knows, hes 20 now and of course could still improve a fair bit.

Hes the same age now that Twine was when he had a good loan at Chippenham before the loan to Newport that made him and we all know he worked out ok.

I personally havent seen much in Parsons yet though to show he will improve.

Some players are later developers anyway though.

And with Twine that only really happened by chance. He may not have ended being loaned out to Newport but at the same time Wellens didn't really rate him that highly. Best move that happened for him in hindsight was going to Newport.

I think Parsons probably needs to go on loan next season at a Conference Premier side...he may well do with Farnboro' but if not them, then I think he definitely needs to step up eventually


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 12:42:25
Oscar Massey returns from his loan with Plymouth Parkway.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 12:46:14
Quote
Oscar Massey returns from his loan with Plymouth Parkway.

was only ever a month loan


any idea how he did?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:33:46
Another huge clear out needed in the summer isn't there


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:33:57
Cowmeadow to Poole on loan


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:37:00
Another huge clear out needed in the summer isn't there

with unfortunately the ones we want to keep like Williams and Austin likely leaving of their own accord, realistically.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 13:52:54
Another huge clear out needed in the summer isn't there

I think so.

Question for the floor - I really don't follow other clubs that closely. Is this now becoming the norm at most clubs or are we suffering from teething problems?

I get you get moneybags outliers who can afford to build established squads and keep them for a bit.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:02:50
I think so.

Question for the floor - I really don't follow other clubs that closely. Is this now becoming the norm at most clubs or are we suffering from teething problems?

I get you get moneybags outliers who can afford to build established squads and keep them for a bit.


I think we must be a bit of an outlier, there can’t be many clubs where come February the following season there’s on one member of last years squad left.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:07:30
I think so.

Question for the floor - I really don't follow other clubs that closely. Is this now becoming the norm at most clubs or are we suffering from teething problems?

I get you get moneybags outliers who can afford to build established squads and keep them for a bit.



Wasn't it said the start of pre-season by Sandro we was building a squad so that in the summer it would not be wholesale changes every season but to add to a squad to strengthen it.

The teams that seem to do better each season I believe already have that pool of players that have been together for quite a while, then gets added to.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:10:34
I think so.

Question for the floor - I really don't follow other clubs that closely. Is this now becoming the norm at most clubs or are we suffering from teething problems?

I get you get moneybags outliers who can afford to build established squads and keep them for a bit.



We've been shuffling squads in the summer for years, ironically its only really been this season where we have stopped being very dependent on loans and actually started signing players up for more than a single season, doesn't seem to be going very well but does seem to be a marked change of tack.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:21:59
Another huge clear out needed in the summer isn't there

Think that decision cant be made till the summer.

Only a few weeks ago everyone was certain Lindsey was the problem.
Now he’s gone and we’ve lost a few under Morris the players are the problem (so was Lindsey a good manager then with a poor squad?)

We are desperately lacking a no nonsense CB. A ball winning midfielder and an attacking left sided player (when all fit and healthy)

Even players like Darcy & Shade, who most fans seemingly want rid of. I think have something in their locker. Not sure hauling them out to roll the dice again next season would be anymore beneficial than giving them a second season tbh.

Even if we replaced them with lower league journey men. It’s still a gamble. We’ve had plenty of those types turn out to be shit.

Yes our squad lacks experience but in the last 30 years we’ve had some fucking awful experienced players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 14:43:56
Yes our squad lacks experience but in the last 30 years we’ve had some fucking awful experienced players.

No arguments there.

But maybe the best player available is over 24. Why limit yourself (OK Austin)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 17:59:50
Think that decision cant be made till the summer.

Only a few weeks ago everyone was certain Lindsey was the problem.
Now he’s gone and we’ve lost a few under Morris the players are the problem (so was Lindsey a good manager then with a poor squad?)

We are desperately lacking a no nonsense CB. A ball winning midfielder and an attacking left sided player (when all fit and healthy)

Even players like Darcy & Shade, who most fans seemingly want rid of. I think have something in their locker. Not sure hauling them out to roll the dice again next season would be anymore beneficial than giving them a second season tbh.

Even if we replaced them with lower league journey men. It’s still a gamble. We’ve had plenty of those types turn out to be shit.

Yes our squad lacks experience but in the last 30 years we’ve had some fucking awful experienced players.
For me it's more the fringe players i mean, Players like Parsons, Aguiare Dabre are just not progressing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, 18:15:11
For me it's more the fringe players i mean, Players like Parsons, Aguiare Dabre are just not progressing.
Yes indeed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 08:37:32
So, bit early but lots of talk of overhauls in summer. Here's who is out of contract and under contract:

Out of Contract Summer 23
Brynn (Loan), Baudry (Retiring), Harries, Minturn, Lavinier (we think), Brennan (Loan), Tomlinson (Loan), McEachran, Williams, Kadji (Loan), Austin, Massey, Jephcott (Loan), RHM, Parsons, Dabre, Cowmeadow, Brann (possibly)

2024 or Beyond
Hutton, Clayton, Devine, FBT, Iandolo, Darcy, Cain (25), Aguiar (25), Khan, Adeloye, Wakeling (26), Shade, Roberts (we think)


A few people on the wrong lists there, but there is a core of the spine of the team contracted beyond this summer at least.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 08:44:18
Club could get some good will back by getting one or two of those ooc in the summer signed up for next season…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, February 15, 2023, 13:28:40
One of our biggest mistakes in regards to experienced CB's was extending Baudry's contract last year. He had a few good games at the end of the year, but had missed large parts due to injury.

Is he even near the dressing room with his experience or is he just translating at Bournemouth?!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:11:10
I'm confused why Tomlinson was brought in, he is injured and by the seems of it judging by todays presser a distance away from full training, then he has to get fit, how many games will he get to play for us ?

Surely you only bring a player in that is for e.g. a week away from fitness, or you do a medical and determine he is a month or so away from fitness rather than take the loaning clubs word for it

You wonder if this was a panic signing with others falling though, I hope we are not paying his wages while he is injured.

I'd like to hear Sandro's take on it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:17:17
I would presume there is a financial incentive on both sides to have completed the deal.  I imagine we are indeed covering some wage cost - which would seem odd apart from the fact we have an agreement to sign him at the end of the season tied in.  Posh get a wage off the books for an injured player, accepting they lose him in the summer.  We probably get an agreement to sign him nobody else was willing to take and avoid competition in 6 months time.  I do not think he was signed for this season at all - hence the late timing of the deal.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:36:46
I would take signing an injured Tomlinson now in lieu of a fully fit version ready for next season.
If that put us in pole position for signing him in January, with a view to a permanent for next season then that's fine.
Dare I say it, might prove to be a very good  bit of business.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 15:52:15
they've said there is a purchase clause.

But another chocolate teapot signing for this season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 16:12:49
they've said there is a purchase clause.

But another chocolate teapot signing for this season

Maybe the club were thinking ahead.
Possibly an element of fan appeasement involved as well.
I'm tempted to go for panic stations being the deciding factor.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 16:20:36
it doesn't matter either way.

I can see sense in possible opening up buying for the future

I can also be miffed it's no use for the critical part of this season

I think it would have been fine had we not cocked up recruiting a centre back. But we did


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 17:20:21
Couple of nice goals from Harry Parsons for Farnborough last night.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 16, 2023, 23:21:34
I'm confused why Tomlinson was brought in, he is injured and by the seems of it judging by todays presser a distance away from full training, then he has to get fit, how many games will he get to play for us ?

Surely you only bring a player in that is for e.g. a week away from fitness, or you do a medical and determine he is a month or so away from fitness rather than take the loaning clubs word for it

You wonder if this was a panic signing with others falling though, I hope we are not paying his wages while he is injured.

I'd like to hear Sandro's take on it.

Purely done to appease fanboys.
Doncaster literally turned down a loan move for him because he was injured and wouldn’t be fit in time to make it a useful signing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, February 17, 2023, 09:19:36
It only makes any sense if he’s agreed to sign next season, otherwise it’s a complete waste of a wage


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 17, 2023, 09:34:54
It only makes any sense if he’s agreed to sign next season, otherwise it’s a complete waste of a wage

Logically it has to be this, you would have to think the club is thinking long term and getting this deal over the line now with that aim. My only concern would be if by doing that we've had to 'surrender' another deal/other deals for this season. I have absolutely no idea if that's the case, but it sounds like Tomlinson is only likely to figure for say the last 10-12 games of the season which is disappointing for this season, but fantastic for next.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 17, 2023, 11:30:29
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23327619.austin-williams-among-swindon-town-players-expiring-contracts/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 17, 2023, 11:34:12
Not really any new information there apart from the option on McEachran, was hoping when I saw the article that they might know the Lavinier contract length! They seem to have forgotten that the players out on loan exist too!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: donkey on Friday, February 17, 2023, 11:57:50
Not really any new information there apart from the option on McEachran, was hoping when I saw the article that they might know the Lavinier contract length! They seem to have forgotten that the players out on loan exist too!

Loanees are people too.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, February 17, 2023, 13:17:06
He hasnt listed Morgan Roberts on that article. I think he has another year


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 17, 2023, 13:41:50
So, bit early but lots of talk of overhauls in summer. Here's who is out of contract and under contract:

Out of Contract Summer 23
Brynn (Loan), Baudry (Retiring), Harries, Minturn, Lavinier (we think), Brennan (Loan), Tomlinson (Loan), McEachran, Williams, Kadji (Loan), Austin, Massey, Jephcott (Loan), RHM, Parsons, Dabre, Cowmeadow, Brann (possibly)

2024 or Beyond
Hutton, Clayton, Devine, FBT, Iandolo, Darcy, Cain (25), Aguiar (25), Khan, Adeloye, Wakeling (26), Shade, Roberts (we think)


A few people on the wrong lists there, but there is a core of the spine of the team contracted beyond this summer at least.

One page back is my (more complete!) version


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, February 24, 2023, 17:00:33
TEF sprog Tom Wynn-Davis loaned to North Leigh (Southern League Premier South) for the rest of the season.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/academy-prospect-tom-wynn-davies-heads-out-on-loan/?fbclid=IwAR1juJpAVuPq_HXT0Hlf6MESRl_X2x6ytyCVg_rnApsmD-Z6LU1nhigeWOE


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, February 24, 2023, 17:02:55
They are local to me, might pop along


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 24, 2023, 17:17:59
Nor Ley.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 24, 2023, 18:48:29
Quote from: Nemo
TEF sprog Tom Wynn-Davis loaned to North Leigh (Southern League Premier South) for the rest of the season.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/academy-prospect-tom-wynn-davies-heads-out-on-loan/?fbclid=IwAR1juJpAVuPq_HXT0Hlf6MESRl_X2x6ytyCVg_rnApsmD-Z6LU1nhigeWOE (https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/february/academy-prospect-tom-wynn-davies-heads-out-on-loan/?fbclid=IwAR1juJpAVuPq_HXT0Hlf6MESRl_X2x6ytyCVg_rnApsmD-Z6LU1nhigeWOE)

nah, that's Tom Wynn-Davies

;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:18:24
Mo Dabre scores for Worthing v Chippenham


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:22:16
Mo Dabre scores for Worthing v Chippenham

And sent off all in the first 30 mins


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:26:06
The ill-discipline runs deep


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 28, 2023, 20:39:20
Dabre..dabre .. the name rings a bell


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 3, 2023, 18:09:47
The brilliantly named Shyam Taank joins Wantage on loan.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Friday, March 3, 2023, 18:13:12
The brilliantly named Shyam Taank joins Wantage on loan.
Should be called Sherman


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, March 4, 2023, 20:14:33
Ellis is out for the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, March 4, 2023, 20:17:02
Ellis is out for the season.

Don’t expect to see him in a Town shirt again then.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, March 4, 2023, 21:31:09
Don’t expect to see him in a Town shirt again then.

You’ll not be dissapointed then 🤣🤣 hope he recovers though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Saturday, March 4, 2023, 21:56:39
Ellis is out for the season.
To be truthful,his absence is well covered at the moment


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, March 5, 2023, 23:28:54
Hutton is fifth in the L2 assists table with 7.
He's doing ok.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 6, 2023, 09:29:37
Another thought after the weekend going back to the atmosphere at home and this was triggered by seeing Vigs again really. At the moment we don't really have any 'flair' players that lift the crowd and get them going. Last season McKirdy did this, in spades. This season he's gone and the rest of the side don't really have anyone like this. I reckon Tomlinson could step in, he seems keen for a bit of arm waving to get the crowd going, and Devine was giving it a bit to us as he went scampering up the line to win a throw in. I suppose if RHM continues his hot streak, he could well be the guy that gets the fans off their feet.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 6, 2023, 12:40:34
Congratulations to our Sonny Hart! Currently on loan @harrowboro_fc and awarded Player Of The Month! 💪🔴⚪️


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 6, 2023, 14:58:16
You also need a decent vocal away support to help generate an atmosphere and sadly league 2 home games are very few and far between.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 9, 2023, 18:35:09
It never is!



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 10, 2023, 09:09:02
It never is!
Hair today gone tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 10, 2023, 10:39:15
Wonder why he chose to look like one of the dwarfs from Lord of the Rings.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 10, 2023, 14:31:06
Brennan has returned the Wednesday.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 10, 2023, 16:27:27
Brennan has returned the Wednesday.
3 seasons in a row we have lost a loan defender in the end of season run in when we need them most, Tomlinson last season and Masterson the season before.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 10, 2023, 16:46:36
3 seasons in a row we have lost a loan defender in the end of season run in when we need them most, Tomlinson last season and Masterson the season before.

Bit different this time though, he was never going to play for us again this season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trowbridge Red on Friday, March 10, 2023, 16:55:14
3 seasons in a row we have lost a loan defender in the end of season run in when we need them most, Tomlinson last season and Masterson the season before.

Cooper was the biggest loss last season in the run in


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 10, 2023, 17:30:50
Cooper was the biggest loss last season in the run in
Him too!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 12:27:55
Now this season seems to be petering out I’ve been looking ahead to next and wondering what sort of players we need to recruit and how many.

Departures (my guesses) - Iandolo, Hutton, Williams, Austin, Adeloye, Jephcott, Harries, Baudry plus fringe players/punts, Dabre, Parsons, Aguiar(?). Obviously Brynn.

Are 5 CBs enough - we’ll have FBT, Clayton, Minturn, hopefully Brewitt and I suppose that Spurs kid will eventually turn up.

We’d have 2 v.good WBs in Tomlinson and Lavinier - will Devine ever stay fit enough. Not sure what position Shade is seen in.

Midfield would be sparse - Khan, hopefully McCreachan, Darcy, Cain

Up front RHM, Wakeling

So that equates to 11 departures from squad of 32 = 21. How big a squad would Morris want? 26, 27, 28?

Not exactly the usual squad churn.

No doubt I’ve forgotten someone.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 12:31:52
A pretty good summary on how I see things the only thing I would add is we will probaly need a couple of goalkeepers as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 12:43:28
Would imagine Ward has a good chance of taking the backup GK slot, so another familiar face. As you say, if we can keep 18+ of this lot and add some experience and physicality I think we will be in great shape and far less churn than usual. Lets hope Morris and Brand can sell their vision to the McEachrans etc.

Austin and Williams would be a bonus for me, particularly in L2, but can see why both might chance their arm higher up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 12:47:28
Personally, I think we need something different instead of Williams/Austin. Not knocking them at all - I just don’t think they’ll fit the Morris philosophy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 17:11:18
Swindon Town midfielder Jonny Williams has officially announced his international retirement, calling time on his journey with the Welsh national team.

The 29-year-old made 33 appearances and scored twice for @Cymru.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 17:24:18
Swindon Town midfielder Jonny Williams has officially announced his international retirement, calling time on his journey with the Welsh national team.

The 29-year-old made 33 appearances and scored twice for @Cymru.
I'm not generally in favour of players "retiring from international football". Should be the manager's choice in my opinion.
However I don't blame him,after scoring against Poland he never got a kick in the next 9 games


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 17:32:00
yeah. given Wales were a bag of shit in the wc, not getting 5 minutes was pretty poor


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob1978 on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 17:38:14
Obv. Why he’s doing it he wants to move to better club/higher paid. Most clubs higher up would look at the amount of time he is off on international duty. At 29 it’ll be his last big contract.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 17:39:31
No huge loss Bob if recent performances are what we have to go on


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 17:55:05
Thanks for the World Cup cash Joniesta.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 18:02:18
Now this season seems to be petering out I’ve been looking ahead to next and wondering what sort of players we need to recruit and how many.

Departures (my guesses) - Iandolo, Hutton, Williams, Austin, Adeloye, Jephcott, Harries, Baudry plus fringe players/punts, Dabre, Parsons, Aguiar(?). Obviously Brynn.

Are 5 CBs enough - we’ll have FBT, Clayton, Minturn, hopefully Brewitt and I suppose that Spurs kid will eventually turn up.

We’d have 2 v.good WBs in Tomlinson and Lavinier - will Devine ever stay fit enough. Not sure what position Shade is seen in.

Midfield would be sparse - Khan, hopefully McCreachan, Darcy, Cain

Up front RHM, Wakeling

So that equates to 11 departures from squad of 32 = 21. How big a squad would Morris want? 26, 27, 28?

Not exactly the usual squad churn.

No doubt I’ve forgotten someone.
I would be pleasantly surprised to see Lavinier, McEachran and Brewitt (if he plays like yesterday all of the time) here next year. But, I think others might offer them more money and potentially L1 footie.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 18:05:01
Thanks for the World Cup cash Joniesta.
:nod: Without doubt, his most valuable contribution to the Club this season...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 18:32:05
I would be pleasantly surprised to see Lavinier, McEachran and Brewitt (if he plays like yesterday all of the time) here next year. But, I think others might offer them more money and potentially L1 footie.

We have an option on McEachran and I would assume Brewitt would be a similar deal.

Isn't Lavinier contracted for next year as well?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 21:15:54
It's never been confirmed publicly how long Lavinier's contract is, it's only him and Roberts from the current squad we don't know as far as I remember.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 22:12:22
Roberts is 2 years im pretty sure


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, March 12, 2023, 22:13:56
Thought Lavinier was until the end of the season.

Didn’t know what ‘options’ the club hold on the others.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 13, 2023, 13:45:57
And here in lies the problem with the squad building done thus far - we have 5 full backs in the squad currently injured/returning from injury with patchy records of availability at least this season, but in some cases further back.  How many of those do you take into next season squad, regardless of potential talent?  Surely you do not want 6 full backs on your books (adding Hutton) with only one being injury free for the past year.

Same goes for centre back.

You have to think that a professional squad build would need to see half of those players off the books by the start of next season, with money diverted into more reliable parts.  Wellens took a similar gamble, but to a far lesser degree - he at least managed to get more J Williams types, players with bad injury records from a higher division with experience.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, March 13, 2023, 13:49:30
I for one am done with gambling on people with injury records. I'd rather have the 75% solution fit and ready 100% of the time.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:16:32
Williams always used to credit the club's medical team & physio's etc with keeping him fit and managing him so he could play consistently, you wonder if that team still exists or if it has broken up over time or changed, with all our injuries could anyone have been managed better.

Just thinking out loud.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 14, 2023, 14:24:52
Williams always used to credit the club's medical team & physio's etc with keeping him fit and managing him so he could play consistently, you wonder if that team still exists or if it has broken up over time or changed, with all our injuries could anyone have been managed better.

Just thinking out loud.

Williams specifically has played 2148 minutes this season already, only 250 under what he played all of last season, and those are his top two seasons of his career by miles - only once before us had he managed even 1000 mins in a club season.

Whatever we've done has definitely worked for him, even if it seems to have not worked for a few others.

(Data from https://www.whoscored.com/Players/106185/History/Jonny-Williams)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 10:28:11
Ignoring injuries and suspensions, what is our best XI and formation?

This team below is more than good enough for the play offs over a season for me:

                                                                      Brynn

Hutton                              Brewitt                                      Clayton                                FBT

 
                                        Khan                                         McEachran


                RHM                                          Williams                                     Lavinier

                                                                   Austin


Wakeling as an impact sub. Love his energy but a fit Lavinier, who knows Morris and what he wants, could be really good.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 10:41:21
Tomlinson is too good not to be in the best XI for me. My vote....

                                  Brynn

                   Brewitt      Clayton          FBT
Lavinier                                                         Tomlinson

                         Khan       McEachran

                                Williams

                      Austin       Wakeling
                       


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 10:46:13
Weirdly, looking at this season the best players have realistically been the players we have signed who were pretty much without clubs or the total opposit of what the model has supposedly been


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:03:09
For me, we have the makings of a decent squad for next season.

CB - Clayton FBT 
RB/LB - Hutton Lavinier Devine (hopefully fit)
Central Mid - McEachran Darcy Cain Khan Iandolo
Striker - Wakeling

Re-sign - Williams Minturn Hepburn-Murphy Austin? Brewitt (done ok so far)
Sell/release - Shade Adeloye Harries Baudry

Clear areas where we need to strengthen but with the right recruitment we should be able to push on next year


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:14:55
I really don’t rate RHM.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:15:50
Weirdly, looking at this season the best players have realistically been the players we have signed who were pretty much without clubs or the total opposit of what the model has supposedly been
Similar vein to Egbo last season too, desperate players can be the best when needed as they are playing for contracts not just going through the paces.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:17:00
Brynn

Hutton
Brewitt
Clayton
FBT

Khan
McEcheran

Lavinier
Williams
Tomlinson

Austin

4 full backs ftw!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:22:19
Brynn

Hutton
Brewitt
Clayton
FBT

Khan
McEcheran

Lavinier
Williams
Tomlinson

Austin

4 full backs ftw!

Makes a change to fit 4 full backs into the team, rather than trying to find someone (anyone) to play full back (Iandolo, Wakeling as examples in recent weeks).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:22:46
Similar vein to Egbo last season too, desperate players can be the best when needed as they are playing for contracts not just going through the paces.

Totally agree with that. Brewitt looked like a guy playing for a future on Saturday with his commitment/determination. There was one particularly big tackle last night too, and you can see him busting a gut to get back after Lavinier's balls up. He really wants to grab what is probably a last opportunity to establish himself at an EFL club. Over two games he's shown that he could be at the very least a really good squad player at this level and probably not a budget buster given his situation either. A good Morris hire.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:29:35
Totally agree with that. Brewitt looked like a guy playing for a future on Saturday with his commitment/determination. There was one particularly big tackle last night too, and you can see him busting a gut to get back after Lavinier's balls up. He really wants to grab what is probably a last opportunity to establish himself at an EFL club. Over two games he's shown that he could be at the very least a really good squad player at this level and probably not a budget buster given his situation either. A good Morris hire.

And if the reports are to be believed not even our first choice in a desperate situation as they were going to sign Mariappa until he changed his mind.

Definitely done well so far


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:31:42
I really don’t rate RHM.

Interesting debate there.

I thought his movement was good the last couple of games before Walsall. But maybe the footballing brain wasn't there.

The injuries/suspension hasn't really seen him settle in properly.

Not sure if I'd be disappointing to see him go or not..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:40:45
Interesting debate there.

I thought his movement was good the last couple of games before Walsall. But maybe the footballing brain wasn't there.

The injuries/suspension hasn't really seen him settle in properly.

Not sure if I'd be disappointing to see him go or not..

After so long out he needs time... which we don't have! Would like to see him after a run of games this year and a full preseason in the Summer.

I think there is a player in there but he is a bit all over the place.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:42:34
I really don’t rate RHM.
Glad it isn't just me


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:49:07
RHM is enormous fun. I'm not sure he's actually very good, but he injects a level of chaos into the game which can really help against a well organised defence. I think in a really good version of our team he's an impact sub rather than a starter, but I'd definitely like to see him kept around- I could see him working a bit like Woolery did for Wellens.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:53:57
He reminds me of Fola Onibuje


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: derbystfc on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 11:58:12
Glad it isn't just me

I agree with this

 This is going to be controversial, but I don't really rate Khan either. He's Lg2, will struggle in Lg1. (in my not very informed opinion)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:00:31
I agree with this

 This is going to be controversial, but I don't really rate Khan either. He's Lg2, will struggle in Lg1. (in my not very informed opinion)

I absolutely don't rate Khan as a DM, which is where we have largely tried to play him. Think he could be much better higher up the pitch. Worth keeping as a squad player but agree that he's not good enough for a guaranteed start.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:02:57
I agree with this

 This is going to be controversial, but I don't really rate Khan either. He's Lg2, will struggle in Lg1. (in my not very informed opinion)

Be fine for another season then.

As for RHM he has an air of Alan O'Brien about him, can run really really fast but doesn't seem to have much more than that. FWIW he should have been given longer than he was given last night to cause chaos.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:06:36
I have said this before but of this seasons signings..

Hutton has had a lot more bad games than good, he had a few good games during and before the transfer window opened but had been poor before and after.
I don’t think Darcy, Shade, RHM, Harries, Jephcott and so far Kadji, and Cain are very good.
Clayton, Wakeling, Khan have all shown they have ability, and could be good signings provided injury’s and suspensions don’t interfere.
FBT, Lavinier, Brynn, Tomlinson and Austin are probably the only players I feel are 100% good enough for a side aiming for promotion.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:11:06
Not a bad summation- although I’d add RHM in the ‘could be’ section.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:18:30
I absolutely don't rate Khan as a DM, which is where we have largely tried to play him. Think he could be much better higher up the pitch.

Agree with this, there was a game earlier in the season where he was playing this role with Gladwin in a more attacking role where he was truly awful. They then swapped places and Khan looked a completely different player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:25:56
Not a bad summation- although I’d add RHM in the ‘could be’ section.

But you keep saying the team is better than some, like me, give them credit for.  If you agree with the summary then we have less than a teams worth of guaranteed starters, which is just not good enough.

Someone else posted a starting XI at full strength and posted it was good enough to make a go at the play off, which is just not good enough.  That may be a bit Billy big bollocks, but  I really worry we may fester if we keep down the path we started a year ago.  The previous year you give the entire team and club a pass, not this year.

For me, this season is a story of Naivety, right throughout the club.  To think we could just switch to some fancy new method overnight without building the right foundations is a recipe for disaster.  We clearly did not have the right "team" in place Operationally, off the pitch, and then eventually on the pitch.

Reviewing the notes from the AB one that keeps standing out to me is the bringing through and developing young players (the latter we tried to cheat on this season by signing a bunch from outside the club).  You simply cannot hope to achieve that without investment, serious investment.  Look at Crewe - a club we all believe we should be able to be better than.  They spend a fortune on Youth development to achieve what they do in transfer sales and mediocre success between L2 & L1.  A significant amount more than us to maintain their Academy status - which is what you need to be able to fight for the talent and help develop it.  We have a loanee of a Training pitch, a few weights in a corridor in the Arkells and Club Secretary on loan.

If we wanted to play this new game, we needed to build the foundation first.  We didn't and we ended up with an almost entire squad of fancy dan punts.  A load of Academy style didn't quite make its - so they play well in fits and starts, look OK technically, but you get the consistently inconsistent from them.

Take Hutton as an example - if he is a player you add to your squad with a view of giving them minutes and developing them, he is a good signing.  There is something there you can work on, some good attacking instincts, but you are getting some big defensive frailties and the likelihood the gap between his best and worst performance is quite considerable.  Not a player you build a tope 3 team around to start with, yet he is our first choice Right Back and probably one of our better players across the season.  That to me tells me everything and explains why we are where we are.  He is a naïve and a symptom of the naivety above him - Lindsey, Sandro, back room team, training facilities, everything.  Nobody has the experience to hold everyone else to account and lead the way.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:31:57
Hutton I don't think is good enough defensively. I'm not sure I'd keep him based on having a good cross.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:34:28
A generation ago Hutton is a right winger, he's basically the same player as Jon Paul McGovern.

Would be interested in seeing us with a 4-4-2 with Lavinier behind Hutton and FBT behind Tomlinson, and two decent forwards. I don't think that's a set up we'll ever go for, but I could see a Sturrock style side out of this squad doing alright. Not sure he'd make much of all the powder puff attacking midfielders mind!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:35:01
Shade is bang average for me. Plays ok when used as a sub but dosen't impact a game when playing from the start.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:49:42
A generation ago Hutton is a right winger, he's basically the same player as Jon Paul McGovern.


That made me smile, reminds me of my last season playing Sunday football when suddenly everyone decided that full backs had to be wing backs despite all of us not remotely having the agility or fitness to do so, hence my jacking it in.

So much as with Swindon playing to a preconceived system was overruling the ability of the players involved.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 12:51:03
A generation ago Hutton is a right winger, he's basically the same player as Jon Paul McGovern.

Would be interested in seeing us with a 4-4-2 with Lavinier behind Hutton and FBT behind Tomlinson, and two decent forwards. I don't think that's a set up we'll ever go for, but I could see a Sturrock style side out of this squad doing alright. Not sure he'd make much of all the powder puff attacking midfielders mind!


I'd be really happy with Lavinier and Tomlinson as full backs next season, just so many questions on Lavinier staying fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 13:00:45
I'd be really happy with Lavinier and Tomlinson as full backs next season, just so many questions on Lavinier staying fit.

...and Tomlinson


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 13:21:17
Rob’s point is a good one, particularly the running before you walk.

Brentford are a good pointer for what success you can achieve by flipping rough diamonds. But they didn’t start that way - they got up to the championship and consolidated there with the likes of Alan McCormack and Jonathan Douglas. Put the framework in place and then become more exotic in the transfer market


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 13:43:26
But you keep saying the team is better than some, like me, give them credit for.  If you agree with the summary then we have less than a teams worth of guaranteed starters, which is just not good enough.

Someone else posted a starting XI at full strength and posted it was good enough to make a go at the play off, which is just not good enough.  That may be a bit Billy big bollocks, but  I really worry we may fester if we keep down the path we started a year ago.  The previous year you give the entire team and club a pass, not this year.

For me, this season is a story of Naivety, right throughout the club.  To think we could just switch to some fancy new method overnight without building the right foundations is a recipe for disaster.  We clearly did not have the right "team" in place Operationally, off the pitch, and then eventually on the pitch.

Reviewing the notes from the AB one that keeps standing out to me is the bringing through and developing young players (the latter we tried to cheat on this season by signing a bunch from outside the club).  You simply cannot hope to achieve that without investment, serious investment.  Look at Crewe - a club we all believe we should be able to be better than.  They spend a fortune on Youth development to achieve what they do in transfer sales and mediocre success between L2 & L1.  A significant amount more than us to maintain their Academy status - which is what you need to be able to fight for the talent and help develop it.  We have a loanee of a Training pitch, a few weights in a corridor in the Arkells and Club Secretary on loan.

If we wanted to play this new game, we needed to build the foundation first.  We didn't and we ended up with an almost entire squad of fancy dan punts.  A load of Academy style didn't quite make its - so they play well in fits and starts, look OK technically, but you get the consistently inconsistent from them.

Take Hutton as an example - if he is a player you add to your squad with a view of giving them minutes and developing them, he is a good signing.  There is something there you can work on, some good attacking instincts, but you are getting some big defensive frailties and the likelihood the gap between his best and worst performance is quite considerable.  Not a player you build a tope 3 team around to start with, yet he is our first choice Right Back and probably one of our better players across the season.  That to me tells me everything and explains why we are where we are.  He is a naïve and a symptom of the naivety above him - Lindsey, Sandro, back room team, training facilities, everything.  Nobody has the experience to hold everyone else to account and lead the way.
This post though in 1 sums up getting it right and how hard it is. You want immediate success and say the play offs is bollocks and then by the end of the post think we should be putting the foundations in place


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 14:14:28
...and Tomlinson

Yeah, good point.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 15:00:26
This post though in 1 sums up getting it right and how hard it is. You want immediate success and say the play offs is bollocks and then by the end of the post think we should be putting the foundations in place

No, not at all.

I am saying the top priority should have been to build a squad for getting out of this Division, the number two priority (if we wanted to go down the rough diamond road) would have been to build the infrastructure to support it, and then the third priority should have been the recruitment switch, applied gradually.

Anyone thinking a club with 7m in Revenue in Div cannot support a promotion chasing team is nuts.  Bradford only just got the same Revenue as us by selling some players for good money.

We have done it arse about face.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 15:56:30
cowmeadow -> supermarine until end of season


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 12:21:10
Roberts recalled (injury cover, Morris wanting a look,not been playing, injured? no idea)

Wynn Davis moves from North Leigh to Wantage until the end of the season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 12:21:35
Morgan Roberts recalled from his loan at Aldershot.

Tom Wynn-Davis swapping North Leigh for Wantage Town on a short-term deal until the end of the season.

EDIT: just beaten to it!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 12:28:44
What would be interesting (to me at least) would be if the club did some kind of 'loan watch' update on the official site, so that fans could be kept abreast of how our loan players are getting on. I think Parsons has a few goals for Farnborough on his loan i'm but not totally sure. And North Leigh/Wantage Town is pretty low down so getting match information isn't necessarily very easy. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 12:42:51
I've liked what I've seen from Roberts when he has played. Looks tricky and might just be the 'beat the man' forward/winger that can unlock that final third for us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 13:05:01
Roberts recalled (injury cover, Morris wanting a look,not been playing, injured? no idea)

I’d say the latter, seems to have been a sub or subbed off early when he did start and wasn’t in their squad Tuesday night so pointless him being there really. Similar to Aguiar at Torquay the Aldershot fans didn’t seem very impressed by Roberts, a bit of a concern that our fringe players seem to struggle at National League level.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 13:17:53
I've liked what I've seen from Roberts when he has played. Looks tricky and might just be the 'beat the man' forward/winger that can unlock that final third for us.
Aldershot fans think he has been sent back as he wasn't of a good enough standard, shame really as I hoped he would kick on there.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 13:23:03
oh, that's a shame.

not seen enough of him, but the bits I did see were 'meh'


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 13:29:19
oh, that's a shame.

not seen enough of him, but the bits I did see were 'meh'
You win some you lose some with lower league signings.

Aguiar came in last season and looked good enough to play his part but this season he hasn't kicked on and hardly had any game time.

Hopefully Roberts will be exactly the opposite of that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 14:00:13
Does sound like he is back due to lack of game time from the presser. Hopefully he takes the chance to impress Morris in training.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 14:29:14
If Roberts has any sort of Div 4 or above type of career I'd be very surprised.  Far too raw for this stage in a career I think.  Best he can probably hope is to drop back down a bit and work his way up instead.

Aguiar could probably fake it till he makes it in Div 4.  he has a decent enough shot on him and looks a bit of a threat in the final third, but he's so far away from being able to get into most games.  He is a flat track bully type - looks OK when we are on top.  I'd say Darcy is a bit better than him, and I'm not all sold on Darcy.  Good technique, neat and tidy, and the odd shot, but he really flits in and out of games as well.  A very poor mans Payne, who was a player too good for Div 4 but not good enough to take on Div 3 in the same way.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 14:48:31
If Roberts has any sort of Div 4 or above type of career I'd be very surprised.  Far too raw for this stage in a career I think.  Best he can probably hope is to drop back down a bit and work his way up instead.


He’s already done this, hence his move to Banbury from Northampton


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 15:01:21
Too much of a leap it seems, coming back to this level.  As per the feedback, he seems below NL at this stage, so a promotion with a club lower down, or a move up one league first would have been better.  He looks way off this level.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 17:42:07
What's the point of wasting any potential budget on the Aguiars and Roberts of the world when we are in the Football Leagues basement division?

Can't we just get promoted first before trying to be clever and finding gems.

I don't mind 'gems' in the way of a Hutton or a Khan, as they at least have a full season of League 2 / National league behind them.

But we are signing players in the 7th tier and expecting them to make the grade? we don't have an under 23 team, our loan network is largely shocking and as a result we've just wasted another year of their careers.

If we were actually giving Roberts and Aguiar a chance, I might feel differently.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 19:29:59
Too many punts.   Not enough physicality, experience, pace, discipline or flair and a couple in Adoloye and Harries that just appeared odd.

A lesson in how not to build a squad and really not sure how they got it so wrong other than naivity (kid in a sweetshop).

Individually there are some decent players but the squad as a whole has just looked poor all season.

Hopefully it's a big lesson learnt and we insert a bit more pragmatism and balance into the recruitment process.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, March 16, 2023, 20:48:38
Too many punts.   Not enough physicality, experience, pace, discipline or flair and a couple in Adoloye and Harries that just appeared odd.

Can't we just get promoted first before trying to be clever and finding gems.

I don't mind 'gems' in the way of a Hutton or a Khan, as they at least have a full season of League 2 / National league behind them.

These two comments do it for me. Take some punts for potential unearthed gems, but build a core squad first.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 17, 2023, 11:11:05
Wakeling wins L2 Goal of the Month!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 19, 2023, 09:00:08
I’ve seen a few people on here and on Twitter saying that this squad is good enough to be challenging for promotion, which I’ve taken to mean is on par with last year. Is that true?? Comparing with the XI involved in the run in last year….

Goalkeeper - Bryn is better than Ward. We’re stronger here

Centre Back - not sure i see much to suggest McDonald is an improvement on what we had last year, albeit I like the look of Clayton. Will call this a draw

Full Back - Egbo was better than hutton. FBT is essentially a left footed Rob Hunt. We were better here last year

Midfield - Khan isn’t anywhere near as good as Payne. None of the carryovers look to have improved much. We were better here last year

Forwards - shade isn’t as good as McKirdy. Wakeling isn’t as effective as Davison in the middle, but he contributes more than Barry did. Adeloye doesn’t exist. We were better last year - even if jephcot performs to expectations I’ve not seen much of the wider cast to suggest an overall improvement on 21/22

Based on first impressions, not writing players off and think they can improve blah blah blah before anyone gets too annoyed.

Nigel_farage_you_all_laughed_at_me.gif

We then went and made it worse in January


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 19, 2023, 09:26:45
good enough to challenge...

we've lost 2 and drawn 2 from the bottom 6 away. we've yet to play 2 away but lost to Crawley at home.

we've won 2 from the last 10.

of the remaining squad out:

Tomlinson has only played 2 or 3
FBt is a big miss
khan is a miss but it's his own fault Greece culpable
everyone else, meh.

how anyone can say this squad is good enough for a promotion challenge beats me.

even saw someone saying we should refund fans yesterday and it's a disgrace. Have they not been watching this season? We are where we deserve to be


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, March 19, 2023, 10:04:13

how anyone can say this squad is good enough for a promotion challenge beats me.


I think because having watched most of the teams in the division this season the overall standard is crap, and we are as good/bad as a lot of them.

Nowhere near autos but probably on a level with the playoff teams.
Injuries and suspensions have hindered us a bit but can’t say we deserve any more than we have got.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Sunday, March 19, 2023, 10:12:58
A clear out of the deadwood is needed for sure. We have some players with flashes of skill but are clearly suffering from a lack of experience and physicality. Our midfield 3 (+ Cain when he came on) are all very slight and there is no real bite there. Khan will make a difference but an enforcer type is needed. I expect we will cash in on Hutton in the summer as he may well want to move on. We have a few other players it would be worth keeping. Will Austin and Williams want to stay? It is possible but probably unlikely.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 19, 2023, 11:27:07
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/03/18/jonathan-williams-what-comes-next-for-the-swindon-town-midfielder/

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/03/18/can-you-win-anything-with-kids-who-are-league-one-and-twos-youngest-and-oldest-squads/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 19, 2023, 14:20:47
The players don't have to sign straight away though do they. If they are OOC and have an offer from us then they can see what else is out there fairly relaxed that they have a job.

If we offer a deal they can't refuse, them that's just as crap. I'm sure there are deadlines attached to these offers too, but everyone knows that it's in no-one's interest to not wait an extra week or 2, so the deadlines are artificial.

We are swindon not Man City so we have very little power or draw in the transfer market.


Edit - bugger wrong thread no idea how that happened


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:22:46
Bizarrely Dylan Kadji is playing for Bristol City under 23’s this afternoon.

I know he is their player, but a bit odd no?

What if he gets injured?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:39:37
Bizarrely Dylan Kadji is playing for Bristol City under 23’s this afternoon.

I know he is their player, but a bit odd no?

What if he gets injured?

Pahahaha

…if he’s managed to be here and not get injured like everyone else he’s probably immune anyway.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:42:58
Bizarrely Dylan Kadji is playing for Bristol City under 23’s this afternoon.

I know he is their player, but a bit odd no?

What if he gets injured?
No it is fairly common, loans can allow a loaning team to still play the player for U23/U21 sides for the duration of the loan if agreed in advance.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Monday, March 20, 2023, 13:47:56
Pahahaha

…if he’s managed to be here and not get injured like everyone else he’s probably immune anyway.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Monday, March 20, 2023, 17:43:05
Shade called up for St Kitts and Nevis


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 20, 2023, 17:47:25
Shade called up for St Kitts and Nevis

Hmm. Hope that works out for him, but mid-season call ups aren't always helpful for people who aren't established in the first team anyway.

On the other hand, Stockport or St Kitts in March - what would you rather do?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 20, 2023, 18:00:44
I want to know when the scouts watched him play😀


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, March 20, 2023, 18:03:01
May be an unpopular opinion but I’m convinced there’s a player in there somewhere. 4 goals (2 very questionable goals) and 3/4 assists, when he starts he’s awful, but off the bench he looks quite dangerous and direct.

Good on him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 20, 2023, 18:09:23
He needs a run of games to build his confidence and to show us if he is a decent player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 20, 2023, 18:17:14
May be an unpopular opinion but I’m convinced there’s a player in there somewhere. 4 goals (2 very questionable goals) and 3/4 assists, when he starts he’s awful, but off the bench he looks quite dangerous and direct.

Good on him.

I'm inclined to agree. The problem with Shade, as well as quite a few of our squad is that due to the ridiculous unbalanced nature of our squad and the catalogue of injuries and suspensions, players are having to adopt themselves into round holes consistently. Shade probably also suffers from being a bit of a utility player and doesn't really have a set position. He was pretty bad at Walsall but off the bench has shown some danger, scoring at home to Carlisle and getting 2 assists at Rochdale and looking lively.

He 100% looks up for it off the bench more than when he starts games. 


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Monday, March 20, 2023, 20:31:30
May be an unpopular opinion but I’m convinced there’s a player in there somewhere. 4 goals (2 very questionable goals) and 3/4 assists, when he starts he’s awful, but off the bench he looks quite dangerous and direct.

Good on him.
Totally agree. Be good of a manager to give him a run in one position. I think i am right in saying centre half and GK are the only positions he has not played this season


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 20, 2023, 22:23:04
He played left back in the first game and never again, done a little bit of filling in at wing back but never got long, but mostly played as a wide forward or centre forward in the PJT. Without looking it up I'd say he's been pissed about positionally less than Ellis, Lavinier and (more recently) Wakeling.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, March 21, 2023, 09:14:01
He played left back in the first game and never again, done a little bit of filling in at wing back but never got long, but mostly played as a wide forward or centre forward in the PJT. Without looking it up I'd say he's been pissed about positionally less than Ellis, Lavinier and (more recently) Wakeling.
Not exactly great examples to be fair though mate are they.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, March 21, 2023, 09:24:22
Shade looks like a decent agent of chaos option off the bench when the game is ragged, but I’ve not seen much more than that

Unfortunately most of our attack fits that same bracket


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 22:30:30
Shade started in St Kitts 3-1 victory vs Saint Martin earlier.

If you are really bored, the whole game is on youtube


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, March 23, 2023, 23:23:39
Shade started in St Kitts 3-1 victory vs Saint Martin earlier.

If you are really bored, the whole game is on youtube

I thought about it, gave it some serious thought, I really did. Then I looked at my feet and decided my toenails needed cutting so, well that was it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 00:12:32
While the maths still have the door open for the play offs, my mind has that door just about closing today. So, looking forward to next season in L2 again assuming Morris is still in the driving seat I’d love to be a fly on the wall and have a butchers at his current player dossier. Not forgetting the one for potential new recruits.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 09:31:59
While the maths still have the door open for the play offs, my mind has that door just about closing today. So, looking forward to next season in L2 again assuming Morris is still in the driving seat I’d love to be a fly on the wall and have a butchers at his current player dossier. Not forgetting the one for potential new recruits.

Amazed you kept the faith this long, playoffs went a while ago.   We've had 5 wins in 5 months FFS - playing some of the shittest teams in the country - it's utterly pathetic.

The home run in was always tough and even if we had we won at Rochdale and Walsall, as we should have done, we would still be 6 points off needing over 2 points per game.

Looking back it probably had gone after Morris' first couple of games.   



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 11:47:04
It went after Doncaster at home


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mr Stevens on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 12:23:36
Getting rid of Morris is the only option. Unbelievably he's not transformed a not very good team into a not very good team. The only solution is to get shot and get a former England player in and, when he fails, we let him go. However, if he turns out to be any good, a better placed team will come in for him and the whole process will start again.

Alternatively, we good give Morris a chance after he has the opportunity to mould his own side next season and see what happens.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 12:26:24
It went when we got rid of MacDonald and didn’t sign a centre back who could head the ball


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 12:32:02
It went when we got rid of MacDonald and didn’t sign a centre back who could head the ball

Or even someone who challenges for the ball, because you don’t actually need to win the ball to put off the opponent


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 12:37:14
I think we got sold a kipper with Kadji. The guy is simply appalling. Watch back what Sandro had to say about him when we signed him... clueless. If we'd managed to get a proper DM in that might have helped. I loathe it when people talk about bringing back players from yesteryear (Jamie Sendles White etc!) but I simply don't believe that Kadji is better than a 35 year old Anthony Grant at half speed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:08:48
On another note, we talk about the ridiculous composition of our defensive options under Sandro's masterplan. Can anyone tell me who our main striker was at the start of the season? We'd resolved to sell McKirdy (arguably a winger anyway) so who was the main man to be? The #9? And don't say Adeloye! To make it to April with no players in double figures tells you everything you need to know. Stick that data in your pipe and smoke it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:25:42
On another note, we talk about the ridiculous composition of our defensive options under Sandro's masterplan. Can anyone tell me who our main striker was at the start of the season? We'd resolved to sell McKirdy (arguably a winger anyway) so who was the main man to be? The #9? And don't say Adeloye! To make it to April with no players in double figures tells you everything you need to know. Stick that data in your pipe and smoke it.

Jephcott🤣 He came with a decent scoring record from Plymouth


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:34:12
He came in after 7 games. I mean who did Sandro/Lindsey plan to be the main man through pre-season and in the early weeks? The answer is there wasn't anyone.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:37:37
On another note, we talk about the ridiculous composition of our defensive options under Sandro's masterplan. Can anyone tell me who our main striker was at the start of the season? We'd resolved to sell McKirdy (arguably a winger anyway) so who was the main man to be? The #9? And don't say Adeloye! To make it to April with no players in double figures tells you everything you need to know. Stick that data in your pipe and smoke it.

We started with 2 up front start of the season with McKirdy as one of two so he was the main man.

I agree with you about our options but based on career to date Luke Jephcott should get goals at this level.

We haven’t really played to any strikers strengths all season. Our attacking play has been slow paced all season - apart from the two games under Mad Gav.
I think Haaland might have hit double figures for us but other than that…

…and we all scoffed at the thought of signing Davison in summer - wouldn’t have done much worse but at least put in x10 the effort.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:44:11
Davison would.improve us, which is a sorry state of affairs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:44:25
On another note, we talk about the ridiculous composition of our defensive options under Sandro's masterplan. Can anyone tell me who our main striker was at the start of the season? We'd resolved to sell McKirdy (arguably a winger anyway) so who was the main man to be? The #9? And don't say Adeloye! To make it to April with no players in double figures tells you everything you need to know. Stick that data in your pipe and smoke it.
They clearly recruited for 3-5-2 before the season started with Adoloye one of the 2 up top.
He has all the physical attributes to be the big guy up top, but not much else.

It looked odd at the time considering he'd had 15 clubs in 7 years, very few games played in that time so not really fancied by any of them.   One half decent season at a poor level never looked enough.

To not sign a winger at all knowing Mckirdy was off, was also madness, lots of full backs but no natural attackers to provide pace, flair and threat on the counter.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 13:55:47


…and we all scoffed at the thought of signing Davison in summer - wouldn’t have done much worse but at least put in x10 the effort.

Not all of us


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:01:35
Davison would.improve us, which is a sorry state of affairs.
I thought he was pretty decent for a target man at this level.   Very little composure or guile, but chips in with goals, knows how to make it hard for defenders and would have improved us at setpieces at both ends. 



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:04:42
It was blindingly obvious that we needed a forward in the squad who could hold a ball up and win a header. Every squad does!

Adeloye started the first league game and hasn't started a single one since then. Was it not clear from minute one in preseason that he wasn't up to the standard? Lindsey clearly never fancied him or he would have played him. So whose signing was he...? And we gave the guy a two year deal!

Every aspect of the recruitment has been a shambles. Looking at the vast majority of the goings in or out and you can find holes in the logic, other than the late arrivals of McEachran and Brewitt. When we sold Ward, what was the plan if Brynn was injured?  Was Cain seriously going to step in for Reed for a late season promotion push? Who replaced Gladwin? If the MacDonald departure wasn't for footballing reasons, why wasn't the club honest about that?

It really makes me angry to be honest. I know that every club at our level says 'the aim is promotion' but this squad was never built for promotion, and Sandro as good as admitted that was the case. More open and transparent than he realised! I'll buy a season ticket as I always do, but the feeling we are being taken for a ride is growing by the week. I suspect Morris feels the same.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:09:25
I thought he was pretty decent for a target man at this level.   Very little composure or guile, but chips in with goals, knows how to make it hard for defenders and would have improved us at setpieces at both ends. 



A front two of Davison and Austin could work.
Austin staying up on the last man / in the box and Davison being the work horse.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:18:06
It was blindingly obvious that we needed a forward in the squad who could hold a ball up and win a header. Every squad does!

Adeloye started the first league game and hasn't started a single one since then. Was it not clear from minute one in preseason that he wasn't up to the standard? Lindsey clearly never fancied him or he would have played him. So whose signing was he...? And we gave the guy a two year deal!

Every aspect of the recruitment has been a shambles. Looking at the vast majority of the goings in or out and you can find holes in the logic, other than the late arrivals of McEachran and Brewitt. When we sold Ward, what was the plan if Brynn was injured?  Was Cain seriously going to step in for Reed for a late season promotion push? Who replaced Gladwin? If the MacDonald departure wasn't for footballing reasons, why wasn't the club honest about that?

It really makes me angry to be honest. I know that every club at our level says 'the aim is promotion' but this squad was never built for promotion, and Sandro as good as admitted that was the case. More open and transparent than he realised! I'll buy a season ticket as I always do, but the feeling we are being taken for a ride is growing by the week. I suspect Morris feels the same.
It was utterly shit and we could all see gaps, but it's not a conspiracy, they fucked up.

I think they got complacent after we overperformed last season and made the huge mistake of hiring an inexperienced DOF and inexperienced coach who signed players like a kids in a sweetshop.

On top of that, they went in moneyballs deep with a strategy none of the senior management team had seen before.

Once August was done we clearly were fucked for the season and are stuck with some of the crap and imbalance next year.
Jan then compounded it with what seemed to be firesales.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:23:52
And why did we need a fire sale...?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:28:51
Not sure we did tbh. Macdonald there were other issues, Reed was out of favour all season and Gladwin wanted to go with Lindsey. Gladwin is injured and Reed has played 0 times i think


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:30:07
Reed played twice before getting injured.
Been out since beginning of Feb.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:33:09
Gladwin played 72 minutes yesterday


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:38:28
Do we know that Gladwin wanted to leave? He looked like a hostage in his Crawley signing pics. He had said before that he wanted to finish his career at Swindon (I think!). And if he did, we should be asking why a player wants to leave a supposed promotion push for a relegation battle and possibly playing non-league next year.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:40:30
Wasn't Gladwin out of contract in the summer and Clem got a small fee for him🤔


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:43:00
Gladwin played 72 minutes yesterday
Ah he is back then


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:48:18
He was, as was Reed, but the cost of not getting promoted and lost season ticket sales, which will likely be a fair few, is going to be more than any paltry sum that we got for them. There was a brilliant L2 player in Reed. He left the club after Lindsey. Surely it was worth seeing if another manager could get a tune out of him. Morris knows a thing or two about diminutive central midfielders...
It has been one giant disorganised, ill-thought through clusterf***, and if the club don't come out and hold their hands up and say how they are going to avoid a repeat then I think they are going to see season ticket sales stall. And then we are on a shoestring for next year...

And I'm not giving the club the credit for the ground purchase either. They got a one in a lifetime bequest from a benefactor and took an existing deal that the Trust had with the council and trustees. Clem just happened to be a) in the seat when the music stopped and b) not Lee Power.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 14:57:55
I get that, but if Reed isnt going to sign a new contract, surely its better to cash in instead of getting nothing for him? Apparently he came back to pre season training the most out of shape out of the squad. No wonder the manager didnt fancy him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:01:33
Cant win.

We sell him and everyone thinks we should have kept him
We keep him for the rest of the season and he leaves for free and everyone thinks we should have sold him.

He wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference to our season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:04:04
Not sure we did tbh. Macdonald there were other issues, Reed was out of favour all season and Gladwin wanted to go with Lindsey. Gladwin is injured and Reed has played 0 times i think
RA said on OSC that we are expected to lose £500k this year.   Would have thought it would have been another £250k without the sales in Jan.  Can't believe that was the expectation at start of the season.

Clearly been a disaster on the pitch, and we are worse than last year in almost every position.   Strategy and application have to change.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:13:48
We should have kept Rob Hunt his experience and versatility is just what we've needed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:18:38
Given that neither Hutton nor Lavinier can defend, I agree that an actual RB would have been a good idea!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:21:16
Yet, all that said, matchday attendances haven’t diminished despite the poor fare on offer. If STs do fall next season, I reckon the biggest reason will be the general cost of living crisis.

9,500 yesterday when the season has already fallen apart was phenomenal.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:25:20
They count every season ticket in the attendances whether they go or not. Many I know have stopped going this season, and obviously Stockport took a decent following. We won't know until August but the mood music around me isn't great. There will always be the nutters there (I'm off to Hartlepool...  :pint:) but suspect there will be a drop off in some who came back post-Power. They've absolutely blown it this season and need to make a major statement of intent, starting with a public revision of the transfer strategy, ASAP if they are to maintain any goodwill from the floating voters.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:28:56
With the growth of Swindon and surrounding areas there's a whole new fanbase  being tapped into let's hope Clem & Sandro don't blow it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:30:22
Tbh, if I had to pay £25 on the day I would have stopped going by now, but if I had a ST all paid for I’d still go and suck it up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:30:52
9,500 yesterday when the season has already fallen apart was phenomenal.

I don’t believe that figure, as has been said they count all ST’s regardless of whether they attend or not, and there were at least a dozen empty seats around us yesterday when normally there aren’t any.

However, even for that the crowd numbers have been really good this season & I do worry that they are going to drop next year


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 15:40:35
Cant win.

We sell him and everyone thinks we should have kept him
We keep him for the rest of the season and he leaves for free and everyone thinks we should have sold him.

He wouldn’t have made a blind bit of difference to our season.
Not the way he was performing definitely. MC Eachran is an upgrade in my opinion


Title: Re: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:00:08

And I'm not giving the club the credit for the ground purchase either. They got a one in a lifetime bequest from a benefactor and took an existing deal that the Trust had with the council and trustees. Clem just happened to be a) in the seat when the music stopped and b) not Lee Power.

Clem had to pay off the £2M debenture to Andrew Black (or whoever owned it) which was due to be repaid if the club was sold or the ground redeveloped. So there is a cost to owning the ground if the sale deal means we have to start redevelopment.

I think there's a cutting back in the budget this season or a least not throwing money on the squad. I guess the difficulty is coming out and saying there are other priorities so maybe they keep the illusion going (and gates up).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:01:35
I vaguely remember reading that we had a top six budget for this season but may be wrong.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:08:07
I vaguely remember reading that we had a top six budget for this season but may be wrong.
I'm pretty sure that was never said and not sure how anyone would know exactly before season.     Competitive was what I remember hearing, which could mean anything.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:09:18
I'm pretty sure that was never said and not sure how anyone would know exactly before season.     Competitive was what I remember hearing, which could mean anything.

You maybe right and think top six was mentioned on here a while ago.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:41:51
Maybe everyone should banish anything fiscally related to playing budgets implied, inferred or otherwise relating to any previous or future season for that matter. A bit like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:47:50
We're run out of things to debate😀


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:51:19
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And I'm not giving the club the credit for the ground purchase either. They got a one in a lifetime bequest from a benefactor and took an existing deal that the Trust had with the council and trustees. Clem just happened to be a) in the seat when the music stopped and b) not Lee Power.
but there must have been a fair whack of work put in.

the debenture point has been made above.
Yes Clem will want that money back one day, no problem with that.
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I do agree though that behind the scenes appears to be completely in firefighting mode, stretched resource side and somewhat disorganised.

that's without touching recruitment


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 16:57:27
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I get that, but if Reed isnt going to sign a new contract, surely its better to cash in instead of getting nothing for him? Apparently he came back to pre season training the most out of shape out of the squad. No wonder the manager didnt fancy him.
if you think he would be key to our promotion you'd sacrifice that cash in.

He wasn't, but I was still  initially extremely pissed off to see him and Gladwin go.

But since then the injuries, suspensions and the squad just not being good enough means I think the club got it right - with hindsight.

I think retaining Reed and Gladwin would have had us a bit higher up the table, just not enough

mcE has been a more than adequate replacement for this season's Reed. But that this was not really by design but through Morris is a worry if we are persisting with the way we largely recruited this  season.

I've no idea on overall budget including transfer fees, but most of the players you'd think of as 'big earners' are gone. something that may limit our recruitment options. we'll see


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 17:00:31
Also Rob Hunt equally good right or left back


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Sunday, March 26, 2023, 21:03:34
I thought Gladwin jumped because Crawley offered a 2.5 year deal, whereas we would only have offered a further year - not unreasonably given his age and injury record, although we have missed the control he brought to midfield post January.

The finances for next season will be interesting - sustainability has to be the correct approach (even if Clem had extremely deep pockets - which, while wealthy he doesn’t have limitless cash) - not least because the Club needs to survive if Clem can’t continue for any reason (we saw what happened when Black pulled out).
I heard that there were some very onerous clauses in the debentures which is why it’s important they have been bought out by Clem, but no doubt that has reduced any cash available for other purposes.
Season ticket pricing has been talked about a lot but I think they got the increase about right - for me the over 65 concession means £290 in the Arkells which is still only £12.60 a game - but inevitably those who complain loudest about teh price rise will also be the ones who want us to pay for more high earners - the balance has to be right - should we have a couple of very high earners or more “slightly above L2 average” earners to provide more depth?

One thing which is clear - a cup run (or two) are hugely significant in terms of increasing revenue, and this year we got knocked out straight away in all 3 cups. That needs to be better planned next season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Matt71 on Monday, March 27, 2023, 17:16:24
Currently over our playing budget according to journalist on Twitter.
This lot should reduce that !!
Parsons
Aguiar
Williams
Jepcott
Hutton
Harris
Devine
Darcy
Adeloye
Roberts
Baudry
Dabre



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 27, 2023, 17:20:19
Why not play Roberts & Parsons in the remaining 10 games.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 27, 2023, 17:27:12
The time to try out fringe prospects is when the play offs are out of range mathematically.

Club can't be seen to be giving up albeit the majority of fans have.
They have to keep going.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 27, 2023, 17:31:08
Other than Austin and Morris (reputation more than anything) the club behaved like the season was toast in January.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Monday, March 27, 2023, 17:35:49
The time to try out fringe prospects is when the play offs are out of range mathematically.

Club can't be seen to be giving up albeit the majority of fans have.
They have to keep going.

I wish I could share your optimism.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 27, 2023, 17:36:57
Quote from: Matt71
Currently over our playing budget according to journalist on Twitter.
This lot should reduce that !!
Parsons
Aguiar
Williams
Jepcott
Hutton
Harris
Devine
Darcy
Adeloye
Roberts
Baudry
Dabre

+ iandolo


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Matt71 on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 08:21:23
Thoughts on this?

Out

Dabre
Parsons
Aguiar
Williams
Jepcott
Hutton
Devine
Darcy
Adeloye
Roberts
Baudry
Landolo
Shade
Cain
Brann
Copland

Keep

FBT
Austin
Laviner
Brewitt
Tomlinson
Mackrean
RHM
Kahn
Clayton
Harris
Minturn
Wakling
Dworzak
Kanu

Needed
R/B
CB x2
CM x2
Striker x1
Winger x2
Goal keeper x2


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 08:25:29
Of your outs, Hutton, Devine, Darcy, Adeloye, Roberts, Shade, Cain are under contract for next season so you'd need to find a buyer. Copland is still a youth team kid, just filling in on the bench for Brann who is injured and literally hasn't played a minute, so harsh to judge those two.

Of your ins, Harries is probably not one that most would agree with, and he's out of contract along with Austin, Brewitt, Tomlinson (who isn't ours), McEachran (think we have an option), Lavinier (possibly), Minturn and I think Dworzak is a second year scholar.

The only ones on your keep list we definitely have for next season at this stage are FBT, Khan, Clayton and Wakeling.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 08:28:44
Thoughts on this?

Out

Dabre
Parsons
Aguiar
Williams
Jepcott
Hutton
Devine
Darcy
Adeloye
Roberts
Baudry
Landolo
Shade
Cain
Brann
Copland

Keep

FBT
Austin
Laviner
Brewitt
Tomlinson
Mackrean
RHM
Kahn
Clayton
Harris
Minturn
Wakling
Dworzak
Kanu

Needed
R/B
CB x2
CM x2
Striker x1
Winger x2
Goal keeper x2


Everyone seemingly wants Hutton gone, why?

Where are we getting a better RB from?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 08:29:40
Of your outs, Hutton, Devine, Darcy, Adeloye, Roberts, Shade, Cain are under contract for next season so you'd need to find a buyer. Copland is still a youth team kid, just filling in on the bench for Brann who is injured and literally hasn't played a minute, so harsh to judge those two.

Of your ins, Harries is probably not one that most would agree with, and he's out of contract along with Austin, Brewitt, Tomlinson (who isn't ours), McEachran (think we have an option), Lavinier (possibly), Minturn and I think Dworzak is a second year scholar.

The only ones on your keep list we definitely have for next season at this stage are FBT, Khan, Clayton and Wakeling.

A lot of people failing to grasp how contracts work.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 08:44:00
A lot of people failing to grasp how contracts work.

Clearly not burned by Ruddock or Gareth Whalley...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:03:35
Everyone seemingly wants Hutton gone, why?

Where are we getting a better RB from?


I think because he’s likely to be next season’s Louis Reed.
He apparently wants out, and is going to sulk & not perform up to his own standards (as has been the case since January)

We can then also moan about the fact that he was sold and replaced by a kid


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:09:57
I think because he’s likely to be next season’s Louis Reed.
He apparently wants out, and is going to sulk & not perform up to his own standards (as has been the case since January)

We can then also moan about the fact that he was sold and replaced by a kid

Do we have any proof he wants out and is sulking?
Sure, his performances have dropped but they are still more than adequate.
Most players performances have dropped since Morris came in.

I’m no expert on 4th tier right backs but in an ideal world who are we swapping him for whose an upgrade?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:11:59
I'd love to keep him and see him played wide of a front three a la Nathan Byrne, with one job of beating a man and whipping a ball in. He's no right back as he has almost no defensive qualities!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:13:03
Fwiw, Hutton has played nearly 3000 minutes for us this season, 90% of the available minutes and more than any other outfield player by almost 500 minutes from Wakeling in second. It's probably notable that those two - who have dipped in form recently - are the top two. I imagine there's a degree of just being jaded there.

Hutton has 8 assists too - twice as many as Gladwin, 8x as many as 'creative midfielder' Williams. fourth in League Two, behind Moxon at Carlisle, Watt at Salford and Whitfield at Barrow, all of whom are midfielders. He's played the whole season at full back.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:13:37
Surely the model is to cash in and upgrade if poss. Lavinier would be his replacement.

I’ve no problem with that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:26:09
Fwiw, Hutton has played nearly 3000 minutes for us this season, 90% of the available minutes and more than any other outfield player by almost 500 minutes from Wakeling in second. It's probably notable that those two - who have dipped in form recently - are the top two. I imagine there's a degree of just being jaded there.

Hutton has 8 assists too - twice as many as Gladwin, 8x as many as 'creative midfielder' Williams. fourth in League Two, behind Moxon at Carlisle, Watt at Salford and Whitfield at Barrow, all of whom are midfielders. He's played the whole season at full back.

Do you have any defensive stats that either prove or disprove the notion that he can’t defend?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:32:57
Do you have any defensive stats that either prove or disprove the notion that he can’t defend?

I mean, there aren't really (publicly available anyway, I'm sure the pros do) stats for defensive positioning, which to the untrained eye looks like his main issue. His stats for actually completing tackles/blocks etc. are fairly average.

I think a lot of the "Hutton can't defend" stuff comes from our tactics though - he's usually incredibly far up the pitch, often ahead of most of the midfield, way more than you'd usually expect from a full back. That means he gets involved in attacks lots (hence the assists) but it also means there tends to be a gaping hole where a conventional right back would be in defence.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:34:20
I'm not a data guy  ;). I've watched him with my eyes and he can't defend. Doesn't win headers, weak in the tackle, gets physically bullied, positionally poor.

But I think he could be a very good winger at this level.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:37:49
I'm not a data guy  ;). I've watched him with my eyes and he can't defend. Doesn't win headers, weak in the tackle, gets physically bullied, positionally poor.

But I think he could be a very good winger at this level.

I think Hutton has been exactly as Barrow fans said he'd be.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 09:59:01
I think a lot of the "Hutton can't defend" stuff comes from our tactics though - he's usually incredibly far up the pitch, often ahead of most of the midfield, way more than you'd usually expect from a full back. That means he gets involved in attacks lots (hence the assists) but it also means there tends to be a gaping hole where a conventional right back would be in defence.

Plus if he is that far up the pitch it tends to mean that there is no one playing directly in front of him, meaning that often when he is defending an attack the opponents can go 2 v.1 against him in the absence of any midfield cover, he may not be a great defender but its not helping him being exposed and expected to do it all on his own..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 10:00:53
To be fair to Hutton, he was brought in to play as a wing back in a 3-5-2 so not a surprise that defending is not his strength


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 12:04:21
I still think Lavinier looks like he could be the better right back of the two.  I'd not be upset with both being retained.  It's the centre backs that need improving.  I know everyone like FBT, but he is a left back doing a decent job at centre back.  Hime and Tomlinson, assuming he signs, competing for left back is a good squad position to be in.  Clayton can fight it out, maybe Brewitt, but this season has shown us no combination is good enough for us to be getting consistently good results.  I think we need two proven centre backs brought in and release Iandolo, Devine and Harries, with Baudry retiring.  Minturn is then the back-up who can get minutes to enhance his development or be found a decent loan option.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 12:17:21
Yes, for me FBT is left of a back three or a LB. He's wasted at CB as he is pretty dangerous going forwards. Definitely need two CBs in, with one experienced. Brewitt and Clayton are at least solid squad options as you say, hopefully more.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 18:00:42
Harries starts tonight. Didn't know he was back


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 18:02:15
He may impress Morris and end up with another contract.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 19:33:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmIbSre7Tw

Who knew this fella played for us...?!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 23:20:56
Do you have any defensive stats that either prove or disprove the notion that he can’t defend?

God you are such a cunt to folk on here at the moment. Go and have a wank DV  :pint:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 23:28:37
God you are such a cunt to folk on here at the moment. Go and have a wank DV  :pint:

Just questioning people views.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 28, 2023, 23:40:43
Just questioning people views.

Yeah but your approach might be a bit different. You've continually banged the Morris is wank drum for a bit. Whether satirically or seriously, it's nearly as tedious as people who flatly and continually bash SdM - I've bashed him at times but there does become a point when it needs to be tempered a smidge and recognised as such.

I get it though, we have similarities in that respect so I'm possibly identifying something from yourself that I recognise in myself.

It can feel good at times to not feel like we have to be right about everything - as difficult as that can sometimes be to swallow.

Hope you're well man. Meditation and Tai Chi are wonderful things  :)

====

Anyway...Squad List...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 14:17:03
You did call me a sad twat for voting in the MOTM poll and thinking that my vote was all about you.. but on the whole I agree with your post.

This place would be a much nicer place if there was more discussion and less trolling and sanctimony on here, but I get that we are all guilty of that at times..  it just the repetitiveness and circle following that becomes tiresome...  only my view of course, but it does determine how much i come on here and how much i post these days.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 16:58:13
it's really difficult when deadlocked in opposing views not to go round in circles

leave it and move on is fine in theory, but I often go Columbo...'just one more thing'


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 17:02:54
:D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 30, 2023, 20:38:51
All I can see now is Batch stood there looking across a football carpark at me, with a nub end of a cigar in his mouth;

Me: Cheers then Batch, catch you again mate

Batch: Oh, but just one other thing...

[Bamboo Rolls his eyes]

Me: [muttering] Ffs, not again.

 :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:05:23
Couple of stats for Brynn seeing as some are starting to slate him. What it shows, to me anyway, is that he’s come to the rescue of a shitty defence more than should be expected.

Save Percentage

The top five using this metric appear very similar to those we have seen before, with only Tomas Holy not appearing and being replaced by Solomon Brynn of Swindon Town (there are others with a higher percentage, but Brynn has appeared in the 35 matches). Vigouroux again leads the way, saving over 78% of shots faced, Glenn Morris makes second on the list with a percentage of 75.2 and he is just ahead of Bradford’s Lewis who sits on 74.6%. Brynn (70.8%) is joined by Tzanev (70.1%) of AFC Wimbledon.

Saves Per 90 Minutes

Swindon’s Brynn is the highest-performing goalkeeper to have made 35 appearances, making an average of 3.1 saves per match, followed by another top-five appearance for Glenn Morris who makes 2.9 saves a match. Tzanev (2.7) and Lewis (2.6) appear again but third in this category goes to Jonathon Mitchell of Doncaster Rovers with 2.8 saves per 90 minutes.

This stat, again, has so many variables. Not least how good your team are at defending and how many chances you have to show your goalkeeping talents. Of course, when the opposition do get a chance you have to be good enough to stop it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:34:29
Brynn has in fairness been an asset.

However most of us are cr<itical of his timidity and hesitancy in coming  off his line.  There are awkward balls into our box that defenders are left struggle with that a more confident keeper could have handled or punched away.  There are free headers from the 6 yard box that he has no chance of stopping rooted on his line.

I would have expected to have seen a development in a young keeper's game in that department.  Pure speculation but I do ask myself what if anything Mildy does about this flaw.  I'd like to hear Hawes or someone raise that question.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 08:46:52
His distribution is very poor too. Never tries a quick throw or launches it to catch a team with a counter attack.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 11:37:40
I don't think this is the right way forward.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23447555.tom-brewitt-new-swindon-town-contract-possible-talks-underway/

Despite recent poor attacking displays the league table suggests our defense is the problem, not our attack. Brewitt has done okay as an emergency signing, but if the club is serious about promotion he is not the standard of CB we need to build a team around.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 11:39:14
Jacob Wakeling (Third most minutes for any of our outfielders, 7 goals, 5 asissts)  shortlisted for the EFL League Two Young Player of the Year Award alongside  Colchester United's Junior Tchamadeu and Jayden Sweeney of Leyton Orient.

Naturally some of our fans have decided this is a good opportunity to slag off a 21 year-old playing his first season of pro football, because he hasn't done a very good job of playing left wing back.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 11:40:09
I don't think this is the right way forward.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23447555.tom-brewitt-new-swindon-town-contract-possible-talks-underway/

Despite recent poor attacking displays the league table suggests our defense is the problem, not our attack. Brewitt has done okay as an emergency signing, but if the club is serious about promotion he is not the standard of CB we need to build a team around.



I think Brewitt would be fine as a Harries-esque squad player, but if we're expecting him to be a starting option every week then that is a concern.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 11:44:05
I think Brewitt would be fine as a Harries-esque squad player, but if we're expecting him to be a starting option every week then that is a concern.

Possibly. Its an interesting problem though. Arguably the problem this season is we had a larger squad with less quality (we had more than 2 people per position). Last season and most seasons, even under Wellens we had a smaller squad, with better players.

I doubt Brewitt is paid a lot, but can you afford to have players like that as squad back up players. Consider Clayton and FBT already under contract and we need improvements, so little room for another back up. Also i'd probably rather a youth player like Minturn is the back up.

The bigger worry is if there is a change up top of Sandro/Morris then these decisions need to be delayed until the new team is in place.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:02:37
I'd let Brewitt go.  He is not the answer to the question - "which two central defenders would you have in your squads to support a promotion push?"  As above, he is a decent back-up probably, but we already have plenty of squad players.  We need to stop adding development numbers and find some bloody quality.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:02:55
I think Brewitt would be fine as a Harries-esque squad player, but if we're expecting him to be a starting option every week then that is a concern.
I really hope we don’t sign Brewitt. I think he’s actually a terrible player but has this uncanny ability to be terrible in a not so obvious way. He just brings pure chaos into the defence, he’s never in position or where he’s meant to be, he’s just like a kid chasing round after the ball with no positional discipline.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:06:28
Need to stop signing "squad players" and the like. Spend what money we have on quality. We have enough players in the squad who still have 1+ years left on deals to make up the numbers with.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:07:04
Harsh!

I think the back four was decent against Stockport for much of the game for example.

Brewitt has conducted himself better than most on the pitch during this shitshow. I'd be happy to have him in the squad next year, albeit not as one of my two starting CBs.

I'd still like to see a back four of Tomlinson at RB, Brewitt, Clayton and FBT at LB. FBT at CB isn't working anymore.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:08:23
Well, there are only four defenders contracted past this summer: Hutton, Clayton, Devine and FBT (all 2024).

Baudry (retired), Tomlinson (loan), Minturn, Brewitt and Harries are all OOC this summer. Lavinier nobody seems to be very sure about either way.

Most of the players we have under contract are midfielders.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:14:51
From that list, you start with Clayton as your chosen number three central defender.  If we are going with a back five, then maybe he is three/four.  You'd want him as your development player - someone who could play first team minutes, but you don't want to have him in for 46 games and ruin him.  Someone like Minturn is your cheap youth prospect - play odd minutes here and there.

You need two or three central defenders who are first team, every game material.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:16:34
Harsh!

I think the back four was decent against Stockport for much of the game for example.

Brewitt has conducted himself better than most on the pitch during this shitshow. I'd be happy to have him in the squad next year, albeit not as one of my two starting CBs.

I'd still like to see a back four of Tomlinson at RB, Brewitt, Clayton and FBT at LB. FBT at CB isn't working anymore.
We’ve not won a game since he’s been here and conceded 14 in his 7 games. We’ve conceded 28% of all goals we’ve conceded in the 17% of the season he’s played. So he certainly hasn’t improved the defense.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:17:20
Well, there are only four defenders contracted past this summer: Hutton, Clayton, Devine and FBT (all 2024).

Baudry (retired), Tomlinson (loan), Minturn, Brewitt and Harries are all OOC this summer. Lavinier nobody seems to be very sure about either way.

Most of the players we have under contract are midfielders.

And there lies a problem, if Morris cant get anything out of any of them this season and make any look better than under Lindsey, then with quite a few in contract next season and only able to add a few of his own players you have to wonder.

I can honestly say I am in 2 minds, one I am saying give him time to get some of his own players and a full pre season he maybe able to get a tune out of the team, but on the other side I'm thinking since he has come in we seem to have got worse is it a risk to give him next season.

But I still see the shadow of Sandro looming large over the club, and ask is it right to keep him and his philosophy


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:20:48
We’ve not won a game since he’s been here and conceded 14 in his 7 games. We’ve conceded 28% of all goals we’ve conceded in the 17% of the season he’s played. So he certainly hasn’t improved the defense.

The 'data' isn't great, I'll give you that!

Having watched the games, he is by no means one of the main offenders but yes, he is part of a shocking defensive unit.

I'd still like to see him at DM.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:32:20
And there lies a problem, if Morris cant get anything out of any of them this season and make any look better than under Lindsey, then with quite a few in contract next season and only able to add a few of his own players you have to wonder.

I can honestly say I am in 2 minds, one I am saying give him time to get some of his own players and a full pre season he maybe able to get a tune out of the team, but on the other side I'm thinking since he has come in we seem to have got worse is it a risk to give him next season.

But I still see the shadow of Sandro looming large over the club, and ask is it right to keep him and his philosophy
Any manager/coach, whether still Morris or A N Other, would be left with a rump of this season’s squad. It’s up to peoples opinion as to whether the squad just isn’t good enough or whether Morris is unable to get a tune out of them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:46:05
Any manager/coach, whether still Morris or A N Other, would be left with a rump of this season’s squad. It’s up to peoples opinion as to whether the squad just isn’t good enough or whether Morris is unable to get a tune out of them.

I'll be honest, as much as anything my main concern is that in 13 games Morris's main influence upon the squad (however good they are or are not) seems to have been to make them look like they really don't care about playing for the club and have no inclination to play for him!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 12:47:58
I'll be honest, as much as anything my main concern is that in 13 games Morris's main influence upon the squad (however good they are or are not) seems to have been to make them look like they really don't care about playing for the club and have no inclination to play for him!

Agreed. It went from Playoff contenders to this and there are no positive noises from players/staff/management either.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, April 14, 2023, 09:49:42
I noticed Lewis Ward pictured on the pitch at open training session. Hopefully we will be able to sign him at the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, April 14, 2023, 09:54:42
Not really much point now is there? I would imagine the issues would have been sorted by now


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:00:30
Not really much point now is there? I would imagine the issues would have been sorted by now
Sorry, I meant sign him for the start of next season. I’m not sure of the exact reasoning for not signing him so far but I expect it is some barrier that may expire by the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:04:08
Got you, i think its something to do with his previous registration or something


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:13:15
We’ve not won a game since he’s been here and conceded 14 in his 7 games. We’ve conceded 28% of all goals we’ve conceded in the 17% of the season he’s played. So he certainly hasn’t improved the defense.

He's doesn't look fit enough


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:16:05
Got you, i think its something to do with his previous registration or something

I suspect that when Sutton mutually released him it was on the basis that they would continue to pay him something till the end of his contract, and I imagine like most 'gardening leave' payoff's they would cease to pay him if he got employment elsewhere within that period.

So I assume to sign him we would have to start paying him, but if he trains with us we know he is fit and I would assume that should he have/or become needed we would sign him as an emergency replacement as we don't have another senior keeper and then have to pay him, thus avoiding a salary for Jan-April/May/summer?

He's doesn't look fit enough

Hardly surprising, its not altogether clear when he last played a competitive game before we signed him, much as with Tomlinson I would be more inclined to judge him after a proper pre-season?


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:23:24
Quote
I noticed Lewis Ward pictured on the pitch at open training session. Hopefully we will be able to sign him at the end of the season.
Also signed someone's shirt as part of a squad signing.

https://twitter.com/CharlieStfcc/status/1646611958848782336?t=Fwec1bcJiJt79QNKdqtOcQ&s=19

Are we happy with him as number 1 next year, if that's what he is to be?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, April 14, 2023, 10:53:09
No, he is a good number two but he should be challenging alongside a proper number one.

You would imagine stepping out from STFC and being bombed out by Sutton has shown him that he is probably in a good place in that respect.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:03:08
Also signed someone's shirt as part of a squad signing.

https://twitter.com/CharlieStfcc/status/1646611958848782336?t=Fwec1bcJiJt79QNKdqtOcQ&s=19

Are we happy with him as number 1 next year, if that's what he is to be?
Ideally aim for another keeper ahead of him but as a backup we could do a lot worse for sure. Not a disaster if he is number one.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:05:32
No, he is a good number two but he should be challenging alongside a proper number one.

You would imagine stepping out from STFC and being bombed out by Sutton has shown him that he is probably in a good place in that respect.

I thought he left us as he wasn't happy being a backup? If he's back training with us with a view to coming back then he's either going to be number 1, or he'll be a handy backup that's changed his mind and his now content being the 'cup keeper'.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:16:28
Ward would definitely be back up at best, he’s ok coming in and doing a job but over the course of a season as number 1 he would prove too costly as he does make a lot of mistakes.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 14, 2023, 11:20:11
He's a reasonable League Two keeper. You'd hope to find someone at least as good if not better to challenge though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:15:50
A good shot stopper, but if you like to 'play out from the back' as is the modern way, that part of his game lets him down.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:21:23
If Lewis ward is our number one next season I despair


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:27:08
I think he’s the perfect number 2. Not sure about a number 1.

Benda’s profile seems like such an anomaly. Young keeper on loan who’s capable enough with his feet but also large enough to physically compete with the giants in this league. One of them pulled out of somewhere would be nice.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:28:21
I think he’s the perfect number 2. Not sure about a number 1.

Benda’s profile seems like such an anomaly. Young keeper on loan who’s capable enough with his feet but also large enough to physically compete with the giants in this league. One of them pulled out of somewhere would be nice.

See also Wes Foderingham, although I don't remember much tippy tappy shite in our own box with him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Boeta on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:36:42
See also Wes Foderingham, although I don't remember much tippy tappy shite in our own box with him.

There was loads!

Watching Fod, N Thompson and Stephens pass it around strikers in our own box, with half fans having a heart attack, is one of best memories of the past decade


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:38:00
Foderingham was many things but he was not large.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:39:49
There was loads!

Watching Fod, N Thompson and Stephens pass it around strikers in our own box, with half fans having a heart attack, is one of best memories of the past decade

I'd forgotten he was still around for that season TBH!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Friday, April 14, 2023, 12:41:12
Seems a basic thing but a goalkeeper who can come out and comfortably collect crosses to take pressure off us when under the cosh is always a satisfying sight.

Something we haven’t had a lot of in recent memory (Benda aside).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:14:01
Benda’s profile seems like such an anomaly. Young keeper on loan who’s capable enough with his feet but also large enough to physically compete with the giants in this league.

I assume you weren't at Carlisle away that season, he wouldn't have been able to compete with our present midfield that day!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:15:12
Seems a basic thing but a goalkeeper who can come out and comfortably collect crosses to take pressure off us when under the cosh is always a satisfying sight.

Something we haven’t had a lot of in recent memory (Benda aside).
The only keepers I can honestly remember doing that have been few and far between, Kenny Allen under Macari was brought in specifically to our Div 4 winning side because he was very capable of doing that, not a great shot stopper but great in the air and good distribution.

Benda was another and the only other one that springs to mind, occassionally Bart Griemink was capable of that too.

Excepting those I cannot think of any other keepers we have been that commanding coming for crosses, we tend to sign smaller more agile shot stoppers maybe with decent distribution skills not size, which seems to be the way of football now, defenders defend and get the ball away rather than a keeper doing that job, something we do not have though are defenders capable of defending.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, April 14, 2023, 13:25:24
Dave Lucas was a pretty decent ''claimer'', although he was out of the old fashioned keeper mold like John Lukic, Kevin Pressman etc, Southall et all. Keepers on the cusp of an era where they had to start getting as fit as outfield players but were basically reliable and no one really messed with them cos they were often a bit nuts. They could give a CB pairing just a look and you'd know they needed to buck their ideas up.

I would say that type of batshit crazy element in most keepers today is gone. And by BSC, I don't mean someone like Vigouroux who was more of an entitled troublemaker - although I probably wouldn't complain if Town had a Vigs or Woolacott type back.

The aforementioned old fashioned keepers whilst marginally unhinged and even a bit rotund, still commanded respect and understood what it meant to be part of a team as a complete unit; we're seeing this less now - especially in the lower leagues due to the nature of most clubs having loan goalies. As you said (no Morris pun intended), Benda appears to be the last one of that ilk and he had the blend of both being old school yet modern at the same time. Probably the perfect hybrid when looking for a keeper - I would say.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:38:20
Anton Dworzak signs 2 year pro deal


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:41:56
Anton Dworzak signs 2 year pro deal

Think this one could make it


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:42:47
IU like the look of him. Need a few experienced lads in the middle for these type of players to learn from in my opinion


Title: Re: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:43:55
Anton Dworzak signs 2 year pro deal
There you go the good news announcement people were getting their knickers in a twist about. 😉


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:46:04
Is Kanu any good?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:46:44
IU like the look of him. Need a few experienced lads in the middle for these type of players to learn from in my opinion

Think an U23 team would help here to bridge the gap between U18’s and Seniors but not much use whilst still in league 2


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 14, 2023, 16:57:40
…already signing more kid

EVERYONE OUT!!!!


Title: Re: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:05:32
…already signing more kid

EVERYONE OUT!!!!
What with him Minturn and Cowmeadow we do seem to be having a bit of a golden generation coming through, dunno whether it's by luck or investment but makes a nice change.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:06:18
Be nice if Minturn was in the squad tomorrow


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:14:53
I think Minturn has massive potential...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:17:00
What with him Minturn and Cowmeadow we do seem to be having a bit of a golden generation coming through, dunno whether it's by luck or investment but makes a nice change.

You say that but none of them are first team regulars.
Minturn has looked decent when he’s played.

Remember when Budgie was here one year we gave out about 8/9 pro deals and think about two of played.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:17:02
Good work getting him tied down, have heard a few people in interviews  (Caddis and Peacock spring to mind) rave about him. From the very brief cameos I’ve seen of him he’s looked tidy.

One for next season hopefully along with Minturn, who really should be playing, hasn’t put a foot wrong imo.


Title: Re: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:54:57
You say that but none of them are first team regulars.


When you look at the confidence drained toxic mess of our 1st team squad that's probably a good thing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 17:55:46
one for next season's squad.

nice to have a prospect, hope it's with a view to develop and not sell at first opportunity


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, April 14, 2023, 18:14:25
one for next season's squad.

nice to have a prospect, hope it's with a view to develop and not sell at first opportunity

Are you not familiar with “The Model”?!

We will sell him on the last day of the transfer window for a bag of footballs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 14, 2023, 18:39:35
I'm hoping the model blueprint is shoved up the arse of the person responsible (sideways).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, April 14, 2023, 20:37:55
That's eight midfielders under contract already for next season, nine if you include McEachran's option - Iandolo, Darcy, Cain (25), Aguiar (25), Khan, Roberts, Shade, Dworzak (25).

Gotta think we'd be trying to shift at least two of those in summer if not more. Lots of the same sort of player in that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, April 14, 2023, 21:26:14

That's eight midfielders under contract already for next season, nine if you include McEachran's option - Iandolo, Darcy, Cain (25), Aguiar (25), Khan, Roberts, Shade, Dworzak (25).

Gotta think we'd be trying to shift at least two of those in summer if not more. Lots of the same sort of player in that.


I reckon Ian, Aguiar, Roberts and Shade get moved on.
Leaves Darcy, Cain, Khanm Dworzak + McEachran option.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kirky69 on Friday, April 14, 2023, 23:15:23
I reckon Ian, Aguiar, Roberts and Shade get moved on.
Leaves Darcy, Cain, Khanm Dworzak + McEachran option.

Wouldn't keep Darcy either, offers us very little. Midfield is an area where we need some extra physicality and experience - much like the rest of the team. Technically Shade and Roberts are front 3 options as opposed to midfield, but agree wouldn't  keep either of them, based on performances this season. There is an argument, based on heading ability, experience and versatility, for keeping Iandolo.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Steak supper on Saturday, April 15, 2023, 12:07:17
 darcy offers nothing at this level


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, April 15, 2023, 12:11:13
That's eight midfielders under contract already for next season, nine if you include McEachran's option - Iandolo, Darcy, Cain (25), Aguiar (25), Khan, Roberts, Shade, Dworzak (25).

Gotta think we'd be trying to shift at least two of those in summer if not more. Lots of the same sort of player in that.

Says alot about our recruitment that I wouldn’t be bothered if every single one of them left.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, April 15, 2023, 13:19:25
Wouldn't keep Darcy either, offers us very little. Midfield is an area where we need some extra physicality and experience - much like the rest of the team. Technically Shade and Roberts are front 3 options as opposed to midfield, but agree wouldn't  keep either of them, based on performances this season. There is an argument, based on heading ability, experience and versatility, for keeping Iandolo.

Ahh, I wasn't saying that's who I would keep, rather who I think will be retained.

I agree that for all his faults, Ian does come in as a somewhat valuable utility player in League Two. Best as an off the bench or fill in when need be. Basically a utility squad player but not someone you should rely on as a starter in every match. He's like an option three utility player but I feel like Darcy is in a similar situation too. So it'd be a matter of choosing to either keep one or bin both.

Think Darcy poss has a bit more longevity and should get a little bit better. Think he still needs to know his real position; a difficulty that Ian has also had. He's still fairly raw but I think there is a smidge of a player in there - if only at League Two level. Again, much like Ian but Ian does have the benefit of actually showing improvement when Town were in League One, it's at this level he seems to struggle. Maybe it's the physicality but there's not much difference between the divisions when you have Barrow in League Two and Accrington, fucking Accrington and Morecambe in League One... although it looks like those two will be joining us next season.

Which is interesting because the teams coming down are shitter than those going up. FVR, Morecambe, Accrington and one of the Uni's looks likely. Only Oxford would be difficult out of them. Coming up from the NL is stronger in Wrexham and poss Notts County than the two leaving, in Rochdale and hopefully Crawley. Would love to see Chesterfield come back up. Both of those should be in the Football League. But overall, I think that still means a slightly weaker basement division next season, even if Wrexham and Notts County do come up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2023, 19:24:53
Jacob Wakeling lost out to Junior Tchamadeu in the EFL league 2 young player of the year award.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:03:58
Jacob Wakeling lost out to Junior Tchamadeu in the EFL league 2 young player of the year award.
That Joey Jo-Jo Shabadoo is going to be one hell of a player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:41:17
Jacob Wakeling lost out to Junior Tchamadeu in the EFL league 2 young player of the year award.

Decent player to be fair.
Wouldn’t say no to him here.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:47:37
Decent player to be fair.
Wouldn’t say no to him here.

Maybe when we flog Hutton to Peterborough we can look to get Tchamadeu in.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:54:18
Maybe when we flog Hutton to Peterborough we can look to get Tchamadeu in.

…better yet, get him in and try pushing Hutton forward.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 09:55:14
…better yet, get him in and try pushing Hutton forward.

Great in theory, but I don't think we have the necessary finances for that, sadly.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:00:55
Maybe when we flog Hutton to Peterborough we can look to get Tchamadeu in.
Unlikely, several Championship teams after him as well as Peterborough who have apparently made a bid already for him. £500k+


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:01:47
Said it would good, didn’t say it was likely!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:03:34
Unlikely, several Championship teams after him as well as Peterborough who have apparently made a bid already for him. £500k+
Where did you hear that?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:06:04
Unlikely, several Championship teams after him as well as Peterborough who have apparently made a bid already for him. £500k+

I'm assuming you mean Tchamadeu? Yeah I (and DIV I'm guessing) absolutely wasn't completely serious about it in real terms.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:15:37
Williams sounds like he is leaving according to Morris presser


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:24:01
Williams sounds like he is leaving according to Morris presser

Presser sounds a bit more positive overall though, McEachran and RHM extension option which we will activate. Same for Brewitt. He also said that he sees no reason why Austin wouldn't stay. Squad going in a lot bigger than it normally does in the summer!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: kirky69 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:27:11
Williams sounds like he is leaving according to Morris presser

No great surprise, at the stage of his career I am sure feels he should be plying his trade at a higher level, although will probably end up at Wrexham!

Even though he has reached 10 goals for the season, I have largely been underwhelmed by his overall performances. Maybe it's the fact that he has been a seasoned international player, ive always felt he should have produced more for us. Never doubted his effort though.

Will not be dissappointed as long as we replace him with a similarly experienced player with greater physicality.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:30:56
Definitely have to get some ‘beef’ in midfield. If that means replacing Williams to fit him in, so be it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:31:50
Williams sounds like he is leaving according to Morris presser

Bugger. But no surprise.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:33:37
Presser sounds a bit more positive overall though, McEachran and RHM extension option which we will activate. Same for Brewitt. He also said that he sees no reason why Austin wouldn't stay. Squad going in a lot bigger than it normally does in the summer!

We have done well considering that according to Morris in his presser at the back end of last week, the club hadn't spoken to anyone bar Brewitt. It's almost like his comments change like the wind to suit him.  ;) :D

No great surprise, at the stage of his career I am sure feels he should be plying his trade at a higher level, although will probably end up at Wrexham!

Wrexham keeps coming up, albeit not sure what based upon as he is as Welsh as me and lives miles from north Wales.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, April 24, 2023, 10:45:52
Williams sounds like he is leaving according to Morris presser

Yeah, Williams won't be here next season. He's been a decent servant and 10 goals from midfield as well as a call up to the Wales World Cup squad isn't to be sniffed at. His goal against Bradford was classic Willo, a timed run to perfection and a brave header. He can leave with his head held high.

I suspect he'll be pulling on the red of Wrexham next season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 09:37:25
Thought it was time for another crack at my preferred squad for next year based off recent performances.

Keep:

Ward
Brann - Get him out on a loan

Lavinier
Brewitt
Clayton
Minturn - Get him out on a National league loan
FBT
Devine - If he can't prove fitness in preseason then ship him out
Tomlinson - Really worry about his fitness but maybe worth a punt as he is so versatile and a good character

McEachran
Cain
Khan
Darcy

Jephcott
RHM
Wakeling

Sell:

Hutton - Defensively dire and that's his job. Bored of his emojis. If someone offers over £100k + sell on snap their hand off.
Harries - Garbage. Get rid
Iandolo - Time to part ways. If Crawley want to pay then terrific.
Shade - Looks so disinterested and makes terrible decisions
Aguiar - Morris doesn't fancy him so get rid
Adeloye - Garbage. Get rid
Roberts - Morris doesn't fancy him so get rid

Release:

Baudry - Thanks for the memories. Not so much for the medical bills
Williams - Seemingly off and we wish him well
Austin - Just don't think he is worth the wages on recent performances sadly

On that basis the key shopping list is:

1 x GK, 1 x RB, 2 x CB, 2 x DM, 1 x AM, 1 x Winger, 1 x Target Man

That gives a squad of 25 plus some yoof in Dworzak, Brown etc.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 09:56:21
I really can’t fathom why anyone would want to keep Brewitt and Darcy. Neither are good enough for a side after promotion in my opinion.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 09:59:23
I really can’t fathom why anyone would want to keep Brewitt and Darcy. Neither are good enough for a side after promotion in my opinion.

Brewitt is fine as a back up L2 squad player who probably isn't on a massive wage, plus he's likely under contract having triggered an extension.
Darcy is under contract and has shown flashes. Again, a reasonable L2 bench option in the right game.

I'm not for a moment suggesting either should be starting players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 10:42:25
Jephcott is on loan and surely isn't worth keeping.

Austin is a big asset in this league but not with the piss poor midfield we have.  Probably needs to play in a 2 with a willing power/pace man or in a 3 with a couple of forwards willing to drive into the box to support.

All of our forwards have struggled for service this year, we're just a bit too shit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 11:07:09
Jephcott is definitely worth keeping in my opinion. As you say,he's not had either great service or an extended run in the side but his goal return from starts is decent I reckon. Don't think we could get a much better proven goalscorer. Just my opinion of course


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 11:16:53
Jephcott is on loan and surely isn't worth keeping.

Austin is a big asset in this league but not with the piss poor midfield we have.  Probably needs to play in a 2 with a willing power/pace man or in a 3 with a couple of forwards willing to drive into the box to support.

All of our forwards have struggled for service this year, we're just a bit too shit.

You could say the same for Jephcott that you say for Austin, obviously different scale but also a completely different age.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 12:17:21
Jephcott is definitely worth keeping in my opinion. As you say,he's not had either great service or an extended run in the side but his goal return from starts is decent I reckon. Don't think we could get a much better proven goalscorer. Just my opinion of course

Given we do have a better goal scorer already here, I'd suggest we keep that player out of the two, if we can.

Jephcott requires a team to be built a particular way to get the best out of him, too restrictive for where we are in terms of squad.  Plus you also have Wakeling, who looks much better down the middle and seems worth investing more time and effort in, plus is in contract.  The focus should be on attacking wide talent, where we have nobody.  RHM is worth having around, but I can't determine if he is a through the middle or down the wing player.  Think that maybe because he missed several years as a youngster to develop his game.  I actually think he is what he is now - this is his best, he actually much older than you expect him to be given how raw he can look.  So he is a third option - which leaves little space for another down the middle player in a similar mold like Jephcott (similar mold in terms of being central only, needing a certain type of service).

I'd let Jephcott go and see if Adeloye, Shade, Roberts and Massey (is he alive?) can follow.  That is five forward thinking players holding up squad spaces without giving us anything remotely different or first team worthy vs. the other three.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 12:18:30
I really can’t fathom why anyone would want to keep Brewitt and Darcy. Neither are good enough for a side after promotion in my opinion.

Brewitt is OK as a fourth choice Centre Back in a squad where you have four plus a youth prospect.  Clayton would be number two or three, depending on what we could bring in.

Darcy is pointless.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 12:37:38
I think Darcy could be an okay L2 back up #10. He most certainly isn't a 'CM' or anywhere near starting XI but he at least shows energy and work rate unlike Shade.

What is odd is that Aguiar last season looked better than Darcy ever has this year. A real shame he hasn't kicked on.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 12:52:12
And that is the problem - Darcy is not a player in the squad in isolation - he is one player competing for the tippy tappy passing orchestrator role along with Williams, McEachran, Khan, Cain, Aguiar.  You probably need a couple at most in the squad and McEachran/Khan are probably the two you keep around assuming Williams moves on.  That then provides the squad space for the grunt we need in midfield.  You can't have five players for every role filling out the squad and taking all the budget.  It's a squad death by a million cuts/players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 12:55:40
You could say the same for Jephcott that you say for Austin, obviously different scale but also a completely different age.

I don't disagree - it's just he's not our player.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 12:57:18
Think of last season:

Galdwin/Williams - Reed - Payne

That midfield was not quite good enough - it was decent on the ball and Payne did give it some energy, with Reed being free to QB.  However, it was still weak in defence and exposed us too often even when we dominated possession.  It didn't really have enough goalscoring threat (Williams doing much better this season on that front).

It also had no back-up, so we dropped off quite quickly if they were out.

We still really missed some sort of midfield presence.

I think we need two or three new midfielders, which means we would need to creatre squad and wages space for them.  No time for keeping around maybe players/back-up to the back-up's.  McEachran is your sellable asset you develop, Khan can maybe be polished a little.  The two other ones should be your first names on the team sheet types.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 13:07:53
I don't disagree with any of that and we absolutely have to use our money better next year. We've spent literally hundreds of thousands this year on players who have played next to no minutes.

We are crying out for a couple of Alan McCormack/Jonathan Douglas/Anthony Grant types.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 13:55:41
Given we do have a better goal scorer already here, I'd suggest we keep that player out of the two, if we can.


I'm assuming we intend to keep Austin. No problem in having both of them for me especially as he has a career scoring rate of 1 in 3, many of them at the next level up. Not sure what level of striker we are hoping to attract at League 2 level . Obviously depends on what Argyle want for him though


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 13:58:26
Thought the Jephcott deal has been pre-agreed in January.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:06:53
Thought the Jephcott deal has been pre-agreed in January.
Even better!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:13:59
Thought the Jephcott deal has been pre-agreed in January.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23260827.luke-jephcott-unlikely-sign-permanently-swindon-town-january/

According to this article we didn't make the deal permanently in January. It states as his contract runs out in July, we could pick him up for nada then. Although because he's only 22 I'm sure we have to pay them some kind of 'development' fee if they offer him a contract don't we? Although as Plymouth are going to be in the Championship maybe they will waive the likely nominal fee and just release him as he's clearly not wanted there.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:17:23
Thought the Jephcott deal has been pre-agreed in January.
The fee was agreed in January, the personal terms were not offered by Swindon at the time.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:27:57
And hence could still not go ahead.

Not sure I get the sudden clamor to sign tbh.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:29:45
Our fans have pleaded for years for us to tie down players for longer. We've done that and now we're stuck with players we don't want.

I don't remember anybody complaining about the Cain signing. Transfer fee, 3 year deal. Happy days. Now in hindsight maybe it wasn't so good. We aren't going to get them all right. He might come good yet.

I personally don't detest Sandro as many do. I think he's working to the remit he's been given. Go out, identify young players who can improve. sign them. It's not up to him to coach them. If fans aren't happy with the model, Clem is as much to blame. He employed him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:32:09
I don't remember anybody complaining about the Cain signing.

Didn't know anything about him when he arrived tbh.

He's been, er, benign when he's played.

But he has hardly played. There is still time


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 14:52:30
And hence could still not go ahead.

Not sure I get the sudden clamor to sign tbh.
Wouldn't call it "clamour". Seems to be only me!  Have my reasons tho!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 15:04:44
He's looked reasonable in last 3 to be fair. I think there is an underlying feeling he'd be great in the right setup. I've just no confidence we will set up that way.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 16:23:21
I just think he doesn't offer enough "different" to warrant taking a squad place.  We need some wide forwards, we only really have Shade and he is shit.  We need something different.  If Austin wants to stick around, then Austin and Wakeling are the two you go for in the central scoring positions.  You maybe look for a bit of a battering ram type to change it up a bit, but you certainly need some players who can play out wide in attack (or convert Hutton).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 17:12:05
Fair enough.Not sure about the intricacies of "set up". Throughout his career it seems that if he gets 3 chances he on average takes 1. I think most set ups have the purpose of creating chances. But, that's just my view.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 08:52:07
I personally don't detest Sandro as many do. I think he's working to the remit he's been given. Go out, identify young players who can improve. sign them. It's not up to him to coach them. If fans aren't happy with the model, Clem is as much to blame. He employed him.

I think this is the thing, have any of our young players been improved since they have been here, the trend instead seems to be start reasonably and then deteriorate, Morris may be a great coach (I think jury is still out on that one), but if you are trying to improve young players confidence will forma big part of that and him coming out in post match pressers and saying that they are not good enough is really not going to help.

As for Jephcott v. Austin, Jephcott has done well on the rare occasions that he has been played in position and provided with service. A fit Austin is obviously a better player, but will he ever be fit enough to play 90 mins and 2 games a week, otherwise its a shit load of wage to tie up in a player who can't play every game, bearing in mind he will be a year older next year as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 11:49:35
I would say thank you and goodbye to Austin now.
If Morris wants us to press from the front, Austin isn’t mobile enough or quick enough to fill that role, and from my observations (we have a good view of the dug out from our seats in the Arkells) when he starts a home he usually comes across to say he’s “done” at some point between 65 and 75 minutes. This happened at Sutton away too. It is also likely to be the case that he can’t start Saturday /Tuesday/Saturday any more.
I would prefer us to sign a hold up player with pace who could provide what Simpson did in the first half of last season, as I think that would be a better fit for our preferred style, and also help us relieve pressure / get up the pitch better than we have managed in some games. Before anyone replies, I know Simpson won’t be an option - I am highlighting the type of player needed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 12:12:06
Ref Jephcott not sure he has shown enough to warrant a permanent deal here, I would like to think we can do better, and Austin I'd like to see him stay but it may comes down to what he wants to be paid, he is a proven goal scorer who given the service will score goals, but if he wants to be the highest earner then I'd allow him to go, but it may also come down to any agreement he had with Clem when he came in


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 12:12:18
My feeling is stick with a 442 but bring in a genuine right back and put Hutton on the right hand side of midfield, he is the best crosser of the ball we have


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 13:44:38
My feeling is stick with a 442 but bring in a genuine right back and put Hutton on the right hand side of midfield, he is the best crosser of the ball we have

Agree with that, but would sell if a good enough offer came in.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 14:31:45
https://www.totalswindon.com/sport/jody-morris-said-finances-will-likely-get-in-the-way-of-swindon-signing-joe-tomlinson/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 14:43:14
What the fuck were we doing signing him on loan with a view to a perm deal when he was injured for then?  An utter waste of a another squad slot for half a season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 14:46:38
What the fuck were we doing signing him on loan with a view to a perm deal when he was injured for then?  An utter waste of a another squad slot for half a season.

Yes, none of this adds up. We knew he was injured so the loan was largely meaningless and yet the terms of the permanent deal are out of our league...?

Either Sandro shat his pants on deadline day and tried to generate some goodwill by bringing in a popular player, or there is a game afoot, from Morris or from the club.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 14:47:29
The blind, it seems, are being led by the decapitated.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 15:07:43
It's quite possible we agreed it on that basis in case we were promoted to league one and could then afford the fees agreed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 15:14:57
If JM thinks it is silly money then obviously Tomlinson's agent is asking too much. You don't just pay what is being asked!

The player probably does not know what his agent is doing.  I'm sure there will be a meeting of minds. If not, then bye bye!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 15:17:40
I'll sit in the treatment room for half the price.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 15:21:07
I don’t know but assuming a fee has been agreed, but that wages haven’t (similar to Jephcott), and this is the start of negotiations.

As good as he is (when fit), I wouldn’t make him one of our top earners unless the deal is based on his availability


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 15:52:17
Interesting that Morris was speaking with the agent. Shouldn't that be a pure Sandro job, unless there has been movement there?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 16:14:36
https://www.totalswindon.com/sport/jody-morris-said-finances-will-likely-get-in-the-way-of-swindon-signing-joe-tomlinson/

I think you have got to take these things with a pinch of salt when discussed in public. The truth is with Joes injury record he would need to be cheap to warrant signing despite his quality. Think of it as £ per game, he is fucking expensive. On top of which he is still under contract. 



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 16:21:09
His best position is left which we're sorted and playing him further up the pitch dosen't seem to work so maybe better off using the money in other areas.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 16:26:12
His best position is left which we're sorted and playing him further up the pitch dosen't seem to work so maybe better off using the money in other areas.
Hes predominantly right footed so I would see him as a flexible fullback/attacking midfielder. He will pretty much play anywhere in any position, assuming he can finally get fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 16:39:14
FBTs preferred position is cb. I like tomlinson when he plays. But that's half the problem he doesn't play much so I would avoid


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 17:10:50
His best position is left which we're sorted and playing him further up the pitch dosen't seem to work so maybe better off using the money in other areas.

Are we sorted down the left? We've used quite a lot of players there - FBT, Tomlinson, Iandolo, Lavinier, Wakeling (eek) but for me it's been our weakest side. We also have to bear in mind if Hutton does get sold, it's likely/possible that Lavinier steps into RB potentially leaving us only with FBT and Wakeling there. Ifs and buts and maybes but it doesn't look hugely sorted.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 18:21:08
Reece Devine.

And Milan Misun.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 18:49:52
Are we sorted down the left? We've used quite a lot of players there - FBT, Tomlinson, Iandolo, Lavinier, Wakeling (eek) but for me it's been our weakest side. We also have to bear in mind if Hutton does get sold, it's likely/possible that Lavinier steps into RB potentially leaving us only with FBT and Wakeling there. Ifs and buts and maybes but it doesn't look hugely sorted.

I get we could utilise him in different positions but only if the price is right. For me his best position was left back when on loan last season and never quite reached those heights in the few games he has played since the start of February but that was probably down to the injuries he has had this season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 19:04:15
Reece Devine.

And Milan Misun.

Completely slipped my mind!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, April 27, 2023, 19:27:38
Completely slipped my mind!

Some might say you totally 'missuned' it


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, April 28, 2023, 09:52:16
Morris may just be negotiating publicly because they'd like to keep Tomlinson but aren't going to be paying the preagreed price given his injury history.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 28, 2023, 11:14:49
Morris may just be negotiating publicly because they'd like to keep Tomlinson but aren't going to be paying the preagreed price given his injury history.

May come down to if Posh want to keep him or get him off the books, and of course if there is interest from elsewhere, would be good to keep him, but at this level clubs only usually pay nominal fee's perhaps with contract clauses


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 28, 2023, 11:22:11
May come down to if Posh want to keep him or get him off the books, and of course if there is interest from elsewhere, would be good to keep him, but at this level clubs only usually pay nominal fee's perhaps with contract clauses

Doncaster were interested in January before we SWOOPED. I very much doubt that MacAnthony will let him leave for nothing given they paid money to Eastleigh for him. I think there is some mechanism that they can get a development fee from us if they offer him a contract equal to what he is currently on but he chooses to sign for another team. I can't see him being wanted anymore at Posh if I am honest.

I guess the alternative is we agree not to go down that rigmarole and we just agree to give them a small transfer fee come the end of the season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 18:16:57
I’m starting to wonder if we keep Ian Dolo…

He’s better than many in this squad.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 18:38:36
no point. only get 15-20 games a season out of him, last season excepted


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 18:44:45
The better way to look at the squad is to ask why we would bother to keep any of them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 19:28:52
The better way to look at the squad is to ask why we would bother to keep any of them.
Indeed. At the start of this season many were saying Iandolo was the sort of player we needed to upgrade on, the fact he is now considered better than many of our current options is seriously damning.

When did we last have such a downgrade in squad quality? Power’s asset stripping of the 14/15 play off squad comes to mind, but this time definitely feels more avoidable.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RJack on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 19:30:59
I'd keep

Brewitt
Cain (young and will come decent with experience in the side)
Clayton (same reason as Cain)
Lavinier

Mceacren (will improve)

Wakeling
Rushian Hepburn Murphy

Not sure about
Jephcott (something tells me we will see a better player next season)
Khan (can't make my mind up about him)

Everyone else not bothered about.  
Jonny will be gone as will Austin & Sol Brynn

Devine I think will be here next season but maybe on a pay to play contract.  He could be decent but is his injuries a risk?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 19:41:53
Largely agree - if Khan remains I hope it’s not as a starter, we need more quality in there (Jack Payne set the standard for a creative midfielder at this level) along with a physical presence.

Bigger question will obviously be who will take some of the shite off our hands on two year deals? I had hoped when Morris came in he’d get a tune out of some of them, but they’ve gone backwards in the main…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 19:45:43
Not sure where Austin goes if he dosen't sign a new contract as can't see league one clubs being interested


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RJack on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 19:51:15
I think there has been a fair share of shit stirring going on at the club which has caused some divide among players and personnell but luckily I think those element will be gone at the end of the season and has definitely given Morris & co a fair share of their problems.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 19:59:25
Didn’t go today but result has done nothing to improve my confidence in Morris. Undoubtedly dealt a poor hand but as I have said to many people we have a squad full of “squad players”. Most of them would be okay as options off the bench but few players who would nail down a starting spot.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Uncletrunx on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:14:24
Not sure where Austin goes if he dosen't sign a new contract as can't see league one clubs being interested

Wrexham?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:15:22
Wrexham?

I can't see him uprooting his family from Berkshire


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:20:19
Bigger question will obviously be who will take some of the shite off our hands

Can’t see anyone taking Morris off our hands, the absolute fraud.
The fact he can’t get a tune out of these players says more about him than it does the players.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:28:06
No doubts Morris is frustrated as he's always worked with the best young talent and facilities  around but can't seem to get anything out of the squad he's inherited whereas a Steve Evans type is all about motivation, organisation & discipline and relishes the challenge in the lower leagues.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:29:28
I doubt Steve Evans would get this squad in the top 7 either, mind. He relies on a certain type of player.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:39:37
I doubt Steve Evans would get this squad in the top 7 either, mind. He relies on a certain type of player.

Fair point but he probably would have insisted on having the job earlier in January so he could have got a few of his type players in.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:41:21
I doubt Steve Evans would get this squad in the top 7 either, mind. He relies on a certain type of player.

…I bet he’d win more than 4 in 18 though…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:53:53
…I bet he’d win more than 4 in 18 though…
Agreed - as posted elsewhere, I’m not a Morris apologist!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:55:00
…I bet he’d win more than 4 in 18 though…

I agree.  The squad is a disaster, but it's not Rochdale bad.  We really needed a pragmatist to come in and eek out as much as we could for the remainder of the season.  I honestly think the rot had already set in, and we'd be talking about being a few points shy of the play offs, even with that type of person in charge though.  I'm not 100% sure Lindsey ends-up in a much better place than Morris has managed either - he was already on the same sort of form even before a couple of older heads departed.

We are witnessing a live project to see what happens when you rip any sense of been there and done it from a Div 4 team.  Fortunately our budget is top 7 ish, so we padded a squad out with just enough.  Teams with slightly lower budgets have shown us how easy it can be to drop lower.

The entire place needs a massive reset button.  I do not give a fuck that we just had two summers of massive turnover in a row.  There is nothing to build from, no foundations in place.  Hang on to nothing out of some sense of loyalty, or because we might think a player may have some potential if only the stars and moon would align.  Nothing/nobody in the club is so valuable as to be worth keeping around.  Ultimately we need about 5 or 6 spine of the team first choice players brought in.  i Imagine we need to see 10 or more depart to fund that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 20:59:33
Good post and going back to Steve Evans he brought in approximately 15 players last summer after coming so close to going out of the football league.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 29, 2023, 21:03:21
I agree.  The squad is a disaster, but it's not Rochdale bad.  We really needed a pragmatist to come in and eek out as much as we could for the remainder of the season.  I honestly think the rot had already set in, and we'd be talking about being a few points shy of the play offs, even with that type of person in charge though.  I'm not 100% sure Lindsey ends-up in a much better place than Morris has managed either - he was already on the same sort of form even before a couple of older heads departed.

We are witnessing a live project to see what happens when you rip any sense of been there and done it from a Div 4 team.  Fortunately our budget is top 7 ish, so we padded a squad out with just enough.  Teams with slightly lower budgets have shown us how easy it can be to drop lower.

The entire place needs a massive reset button.  I do not give a fuck that we just had two summers of massive turnover in a row.  There is nothing to build from, no foundations in place.  Hang on to nothing out of some sense of loyalty, or because we might think a player may have some potential if only the stars and moon would align.  Nothing/nobody in the club is so valuable as to be worth keeping around.  Ultimately we need about 5 or 6 spine of the team first choice players brought in.  i Imagine we need to see 10 or more depart to fund that.

I agree with what you’ve said about the rot, agree with what you’ve said about Lindsey.

I still think a half decent manager can get more out of this squad and don’t think it’s necessarily needs burning to the ground and starting from scratch. We definitely 100% need a new, experienced spine GK, CB, CM, CF. Think literally with those 4 players we’d be good to go with the rest.

For me our main concern should be Morris. He’s shown absolutely nothing. Only RHM has improved. Everyone else has gone backwards. The team selections, tactics & subs are awful. We are picking up loads more injuries since he came in and our discipline has got worse.

I worry we might actually back up some of our words this summer and give Morris exactly what he wants - just to find ourselves in the bottom quarter of the table after 15 game & realising we did everything we could to placate an absolute dud….

….then having to start the whole cycle again.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:24:11
With now no manager, and no DoF, do we risk losing the likes of RHM and those with contract clauses that are actually decent, as it would surely be up to the new manager to decide on contracts, there may be a clause play x games and a new deal but if that is not forthcoming then surely they are free to talk to other clubs.

Assuming the retained list will also be delayed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:30:02
Those with clauses, the club could take up unilaterally. Those that are actually negotiations, it would be a surprise if the current flux didn't impact the negotiations.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:30:55
Those with clauses, the club could take up unilaterally. Those that are actually negotiations, it would be a surprise if the current flux didn't impact the negotiations.

We could. My concern is that would players like McEachran want to be here if Morris isn't? We want to steer far clear from a disruptive dressing room.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:38:13
I noticed there was an Academy Update on the official site which was quite interesting to read. And I am fully aware there are way more important things happening at the club, but for next season I'd quite like to see a continual 'Loan Update' on the official site so that fans can keep an eye on how players we have out on loan have done. It doesn't have to be monthly either, maybe every 3 months or so.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:47:44
I noticed there was an Academy Update on the official site which was quite interesting to read. And I am fully aware there are way more important things happening at the club, but for next season I'd quite like to see a continual 'Loan Update' on the official site so that fans can keep an eye on how players we have out on loan have done. It doesn't have to be monthly either, maybe every 3 months or so.

Do other clubs do it officially, I know I have seen it on https://www.nufc.com/ but that's a fan run thing?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:51:46
Do other clubs do it officially, I know I have seen it on https://www.nufc.com/ but that's a fan run thing?

I don't know whether it's done universally at other clubs tbh. I'm sure I read something on another website when I was looking for something but I can't remember who. I may be in a minority but it would interest me to see how Oscar Massey was getting on at Plymouth Parkway or Harry Parsons' recent spell with Farnborough. Yes, I could probably find that information out on the Farnborough website, but a lot of our loans go to much smaller clubs where some of the info can be difficult to find.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2023, 13:54:57
We could. My concern is that would players like McEachran want to be here if Morris isn't? We want to steer far clear from a disruptive dressing room.

McEachren was without a club for what 18 months? He failed a trial with us previously. I don't think the guy is in a position to pick and choose frankly. I also don't think he is that great, his final ball has been consistently poor.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:06:30
So if it is Flynn (or another physical manager), how does this squad work?

Good Fit: Hutton, Brewitt, FBT, Austin

Probably okay: Brann, Clayton, Devine, Lavinier, Minturn, Khan, Dworzak, Adeloye (!), Shade (?), Wakeling, RHM (?)

Seems unlikely: Iandolo, McEachran, Darcy, Cain, Aguiar, Roberts, Massey, Parsons, Cowmeadow

Going anyway: Brynn, Williams, Baudry, Tomlinson, Harries, Kadji, Jephcott


So basically, start our midfield again?


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:18:10
our midfield is shit weak and needs some steel anyway.

but how do we shift out iandolo, Darcy, Aguiar, and are Roberts, dabre, parsons all ooc?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:19:31
our midfield is shit weak and needs some steel anyway.

but how do we shift out iandolo, Darcy, Aguiar, and are Roberts, dabre, parsons all ooc?

Give them all to Crawley😀


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, May 7, 2023, 14:24:22
our midfield is shit weak and needs some steel anyway.

but how do we shift out iandolo, Darcy, Aguiar, and are Roberts, dabre, parsons all ooc?

I think Dabre and Parsons are and Roberts isn't, but his contract length was never actually announced. Aguiar and Cain with two more years each in particular look like they'd struggle with the style.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Monday, May 8, 2023, 17:43:51
Do we know how Brewitt/McEachran’s options might work?

It sounds like certainly Brewitt got an automatic year if he played over X number of games (probably 10).
On that basis he is presumably here next year as I get the impression he wants to stay.
McEachran might want to assess his options but presumably it’s a similar situation?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Monday, May 8, 2023, 17:46:59
I would imagine so


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 09:52:57
I think Dabre and Parsons are and Roberts isn't, but his contract length was never actually announced. Aguiar and Cain with two more years each in particular look like they'd struggle with the style.

Didn't Cain play under Flynn at Newport whilst ''on loan''.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:00:34
Didn't Cain play under Flynn at Newport whilst ''on loan''.

Yes


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:07:03
Didn't Cain play under Flynn at Newport whilst ''on loan''.

Twine did OK under Flynn at Newport, I think Flynn is more flexible towards playing to conditions and players abilities rather than just in a set way than people are giving him credit for.

Wasn't the style at Newport in the main down to it being played on a ploughed field?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:22:01
Quite possibly, although Walsall's football was hardly scintillating. Let's see how it goes I suppose - I suspect there's probably one spot in midfield for a Cain/McEachran alongside some more physical players, which would still leave us overstocked for the fancier midfielder even if Williams goes - Cain, McEachran, Darcy, Aguiar feels like at least one too many, maybe two.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:31:00
Quite possibly, although Walsall's football was hardly scintillating. Let's see how it goes I suppose - I suspect there's probably one spot in midfield for a Cain/McEachran alongside some more physical players, which would still leave us overstocked for the fancier midfielder even if Williams goes - Cain, McEachran, Darcy, Aguiar feels like at least one too many, maybe two.

I expect a lot to get shipped out, even if under contract honestly.

We dont have enough room to make the changes we need to, just by releasing out of contract players.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:42:52
Are the players on their holidays now or do you think Flynn will get some time to train with the squad?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:54:06
Are the players on their holidays now or do you think Flynn will get some time to train with the squad?

Think they are done. He did say he'd be meeting with some this week though I think...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:56:32
Think they are done. He did say he'd be meeting with some this week though I think...

I assume he will, at the very least, sit in on retained/released/offer new discussions.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 10:58:33
I assume he will, at the very least, sit in on retained/released/offer new discussions.


I saw Brewitt posted an airplane emoji but maybe if he has triggered an extension he doesn't need to stick around to plead his case.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:09:27
I would happily see Brewitt leave to be honest.

As with every bad season we have there is a huge case of best of a bad bunch syndrome and he was no better than average for me and if we want out the league we need much better


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Tuesday, May 9, 2023, 13:11:04
I would happily see Brewitt leave to be honest.

As with every bad season we have there is a huge case of best of a bad bunch syndrome and he was no better than average for me and if we want out the league we need much better

I think its been done to death but not sure anyone is suggesting he should be our starting centre back. I think he's shown more than enough to be a L2 squad player. Looked decent yesterday. Seems to be popular in the squad.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:41:17
Possibly don’t have the right thread for this but I was thinking about the “we have the limbs but not the spine” shouts and trying to work out what we’ll need starting XI wise for next season. I think if we want to say that we have the limbs then we’re assuming that those limbs are promotion potential quality in the right team. Assuming Flynn is going to play a 3-5-2 (not nailed on), we extend Austin/McEachran/RHM and that Williams/Hutton depart then I think we’re something like this:

                        GK
             CB       CB    Clayton
Lavinier                                FBT
                        CM  
         McEachran       Khan

              Austin  Wakeling/RHM

Needing at least a new GK, 2 x CB’s, a CM and probably a ST. All of starting XI quality, not work in progress players and a decent amount of them needing to be experienced, physical players. I may also be being a bit generous with calling a couple of those promotion quality limbs.

Then think:
Decent squad options: Cain, Brewitt, Minturn, Iandolo
Ship out: Harries, Shade, Darcy, Adeloye, Parsons, Massey, Cowmeadow, (question marks on a few of them but haven’t shown enough imo)
Needs a loan: Aguiar (think there’s a player in there), Roberts

If FBT is seen more as a CB than a LB/LWB then I’d be tempted to make Tomlinson’s loan permanent if it’s realistic budget wise.

Hope there’s room in the budget for whatever changes Flynn thinks are needed. Would be a shame if we couldn’t kick on because the budget is taken up with players he doesn’t want but we can’t shift.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:43:54
In a three at the back system, I think FBT should be of the three - he's the Kyle Walker type player that allows you to play three defenders but not just sacrifice all footballing ability back there.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:46:00
You can’t plan in Khan being a defensive midfielder, he’s too much of a liability. To be honest I don’t where you do play him but it’s  certainly not as the deepest midfielder.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:46:41
You can’t plan in Khan being a defensive midfielder, he’s too much of a liability. To be honest I don’t where you do play him but it’s  certainly not as the deepest midfielder.

This.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:48:25
He's the middle one in a three, the box to box player. A poor man's Payne, in the Reed/Payne/Gladwin or Williams set up we had under Garner.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:50:17
You can’t plan in Khan being a defensive midfielder, he’s too much of a liability. To be honest I don’t where you do play him but it’s  certainly not as the deepest midfielder.

Yeah you’re right there. I meant to swap him out of that, apologies. Fixed.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:53:18
I want a proper defensive midfielder this season. Arguably more difficult to find these days than a proper centre back. A Jonathan Douglas, not some Poundland, soft-as-shite, stats-padding Busquets knock-off that weird self appointed football cognoscenti wank themselves silly over.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:54:41
I want a Scott Leitch type


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 13:57:02
I want a proper defensive midfielder this season. Arguably more difficult to find these days than a proper centre back. A Jonathan Douglas, not some Poundland, soft-as-shite, stats-padding Busquets knock-off that weird self appointed football cognoscenti wank themselves silly over.

If we get one or more CB then Brewitt could be a good option as DM


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:37:59
You can’t plan in Khan being a defensive midfielder, he’s too much of a liability. To be honest I don’t where you do play him but it’s  certainly not as the deepest midfielder.

Didn't he play further forward for Chesterfield?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, May 11, 2023, 14:41:40
A poor mans Payne is not really a great shout for a first team spot, given we did not get promoted with the proper Payne.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Monday, May 15, 2023, 16:39:12
39 goals this season for Abu Kanu according to the clubs Twitter. Under 17 as well so another year as a scholar before a pro deal I think?

Either way sounds like an asset to try and tie down early.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 15, 2023, 20:52:00
Didn't he play further forward for Chesterfield?

Scored a good few for them so yeah.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 15, 2023, 21:00:45
I want a proper defensive midfielder this season. Arguably more difficult to find these days than a proper centre back. A Jonathan Douglas, not some Poundland, soft-as-shite, stats-padding Busquets knock-off that weird self appointed football cognoscenti wank themselves silly over.

Toumani has just been released by Rochdale. He's getting on but he's played nearly 80 games in the last two seasons so he seems like he's stayed fit.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 08:45:32
Would somebody be kind enough to update the list at the start of this thread please?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 08:56:22
Done to the contract list, will update ages and that when I have more time. I think someone said Copland had signed pro terms, any other second year scholars other than Dworzak being kept on?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:34:06
Done to the contract list, will update ages and that when I have more time. I think someone said Copland had signed pro terms, any other second year scholars other than Dworzak being kept on?
Cheers mate. I've heard nothing about any of the scholars so far.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: digby on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 12:22:31
That's a bloody young squad, will need to recruit some old gits !


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 14:10:32
That's a bloody young squad, will need to recruit some old gits !

We have an experienced striker. Need a quality experienced CB and tough DCM to help the spine through the first XI.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 14:16:10
need more than that


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 14:16:32
We have an experienced striker. Need a quality experienced CB and tough DCM to help the spine through the first XI.
Big commanding keeper, 2 big CB's, one tough tackling DMC and 2 quick wingers who can put balls into the box for Charlie is my wishlist.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 14:54:38
Obviously need a keeper, experienced leader CB, nasty DM whom likes a tackle.

Think our lack of out and out wingers have hurt us this season but from what I’ve read it doesn’t sound like Flynn will employee a formation that utilises wingers. Same for wide forwards. We need some bodies in those positions if we plan on playing 442 or 433 but think it’s lower priority because I don’t think Flynn will set up use wide players


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 15:02:05
Outgoings wise, one or two of Iandolo/Aguilar/Darcy can probably go and hopefully we'll find someone to take Adeloye. Otherwise not much out, maybe Shade or Devine but think they're less likely. Maybe the keepers.

Then I suppose probably interest likely in Hutton, not sure any others will be particularly in demand.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 15:04:59
Obviously need a keeper, experienced leader CB, nasty DM whom likes a tackle.

Think our lack of out and out wingers have hurt us this season but from what I’ve read it doesn’t sound like Flynn will employee a formation that utilises wingers. Same for wide forwards. We need some bodies in those positions if we plan on playing 442 or 433 but think it’s lower priority because I don’t think Flynn will set up use wide players
Yes Flynn does seem to prefer a 352 with wingbacks, but in L2 there is a distinct lack of quality wingbacks available, either they can't attack (Hunt) or cant defend (Hutton), its a difficult position to play well as the best ones seem to have been picke dup by Championship level teams where 352 is more prevalent a system.

Notts County play the 352 under Williams but he prefers 2 out and out wingers who can defend a little as opposed to 2 defenders who can attack a bit, but going by the play off games I watched they got found out with many balls down the wings where the wingers didnt track back.

Flynn played with Shade as LWB at Walsall previously, I hope he has learnt his lesson.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 15:07:56
Yes Flynn does seem to prefer a 352 with wingbacks, but in L2 there is a distinct lack of quality wingbacks available, either they can't attack (Hunt) or cant defend (Hutton), its a difficult position to play well as the best ones seem to have been picke dup by Championship level teams where 352 is more prevalent a system.

Notts County play the 352 under Williams but he prefers 2 out and out wingers who can defend a little as opposed to 2 defenders who can attack a bit, but going by the play off games I watched they got found out with many balls down the wings where the wingers didnt track back.

Flynn played with Shade as LWB at Walsall previously, I hope he has learnt his lesson.

Shade did alright there for Walsall didn’t he he by all accounts?
Perhaps it’s something Flynn will revisit (hopefully to great success)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 15:40:33
Shade did alright there for Walsall didn’t he he by all accounts?
Perhaps it’s something Flynn will revisit (hopefully to great success)

Yeah that what i thought, people were excited we signed him because he did alright for Walsall


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, May 20, 2023, 20:56:13
Yeah that what i thought, people were excited we signed him because he did alright for Walsall
I was excited about Shade because of his performances in 2 games against us. In both games he was awesome in the first half and then faded in the second. Seems he has continued to do the same for us.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 18:47:21
I know it’s only youth football, but Abu Kanu. Wow!

https://twitter.com/9akanu_/status/1660998860364185601?s=61&t=HYPly50GSEZLTKzNdaNp7Q


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 19:47:49
Has he signed a pro deal yet or is he the next one we flog for a fiver, a bag of footballs and a friendly against an U23 team?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 19:59:03
Has he signed a pro deal yet or is he the next one we flog for a fiver, a bag of footballs and a friendly against an U23 team?
Do we really do that anymore though?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 20:01:14
I dont know, but it always bloody happens. Would be nice once in a while to keep them for a couple of years etc


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 08:59:08
A little bit of a youth version of Tyrese Simpson about him and he is the sort of profile of player that we would be looking to cash in on in the past - yet to be seen whether we have turned a corner and are looking to get these younger prospects into the first team or start touting them to Brighton.  Abu is a good yard stick to test that out I guess.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 09:03:23
If we are going to try to hang onto our young players then we’ve also got to have the balls to play them.

Minturn a good example. Could have easily started a good 10-15 league games for us last season based on injuries and others defenders form.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 09:25:14
If we are going to try to hang onto our young players then we’ve also got to have the balls to play them.

Minturn a good example. Could have easily started a good 10-15 league games for us last season based on injuries and others defenders form.

Agreed, but on the flip side of that, the fans have got to be patient with them as well and give them a chance, our fanbase is not the best at that, especially with attacking players.

Twine wouldn't have made it unless he got that move to Newport, and I remember prospect Lloyd Macklin getting pelters at a young age.  Given Flynn was the one to give Twine a go, maybe we have a manager that is brave enough to blood some of these youngsters at the right time, and in the right way.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 09:26:34
Agree with that, but there’s always the motions sho get on their backs if they’re not PL standard from the off.

It’s the same for the young players who did play last season, there was no allowance for the fact it was their first taste of men’s football.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:12:50
Agreed, but on the flip side of that, the fans have got to be patient with them as well and give them a chance, our fanbase is not the best at that, especially with attacking players.

Twine wouldn't have made it unless he got that move to Newport, and I remember prospect Lloyd Macklin getting pelters at a young age.  Given Flynn was the one to give Twine a go, maybe we have a manager that is brave enough to blood some of these youngsters at the right time, and in the right way.

Concur.

Twine was a number of things though. The change in position and regular game time really helped. In fairness the thoughts on Twine pre Newport loan were mixed between ‘time to release him’ to ‘he’s had a good pre season give him a shot’

I watched a lot of that era of youth / reserve team and the only player I’ve seen better at that age / level for Swindon was Jutkiewicz. Macklin just glided past players for fun. He was dynamite. First touch (or lack of) at the CG ball rolled under his foot and that was his career (and fans having any faith in his ability) done in 3 seconds.

…maybe we should only blood the youngsters away from home!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:14:18
Rideout was special from the off.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:20:42
Didn't Macklin break his leg and play on or something similar in one of his first couple of appearances? Can't imagine that helped him longer term.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:24:00
Didn't Macklin break his leg and play on or something similar in one of his first couple of appearances? Can't imagine that helped him longer term.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/4664911.breaking-news-macklin-suffers-leg-fracture/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:35:09
Funny, I have absolutely no recollection of Macklin whatsoever. And yet the Richard Drydens of this world live long in the memory…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 10:37:33
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/4664911.breaking-news-macklin-suffers-leg-fracture/

I had completely forgotten about Macklin, I assume the leg break wasn't that bad as it was suggested he would only be out for up to 8 weeks?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:12:42
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/4664911.breaking-news-macklin-suffers-leg-fracture/

This comment made me laugh;

"Feel sorry for him and wish him a quick recovery, but for me he has nothing to offer. Yes, he is quick but he can't shoot, can't pass and can't cross. Sorry if you disagree but I don't rate him at all, but am willing for him to prove me wrong !!"

to be fair the guy was probably absolutely bang on the money looking at his career stats! He's still only 31 but retired in 2018.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:51:25
Given we have never really invested in supporting the first team with the right facilities and backroom staffing, it's not that surprising that our Youth talent has never really been up to much once they hit the first team age and the bigger teams have sniffed around for a few years first.  Jutkiewicz was an import later in his development, through Byrne, wasn't he, along with Tozer?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:56:56
Its a lot easier to give attacking youth players minutes than it is defensive. Abu Kanu and Minturn need to be starting in the pizza cup and getting minutes in games where its appropriate though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 11:57:32
Given we have never really invested in supporting the first team with the right facilities and backroom staffing, it's not that surprising that our Youth talent has never really been up to much once they hit the first team age and the bigger teams have sniffed around for a few years first.  Jutkiewicz was an import later in his development, through Byrne, wasn't he, along with Tozer?

Seb Broomfield is the Plymouth striker Byrne brought in along with Tozer and Morrison.

Jutkiewicz did join at about 14 though, he was in Southampton's academy but had a few years off in between us and them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 12:00:48
Looking at Jutkiewicz his career seems a bit odd in that he has had a very solid career at Championship level without ever being a prolific goalscorer, with 15 being his best haul in a single season.

He seems to have been pretty much a regular for Birmingham for the last 7 seasons, yet as a striker in those seasons he has only hit double figures 3 times. I assume they play him as a no.10 or similar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wo6GT90Jsk

Also he is 34, that makes me feel very ancient!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 12:01:31
Right, I remembered us being a bit of a Cuckoo at Youth level for a few years - which is probably not a bad approach if you are not going to spend a fortune like Crewe do in going for Elite level ranking.  In fact, it may be a better version of the model we were going for.  Rather than risk the first team by going after lots of jilted or underused 18-21 year olds, why not put that effort in at the 14-18 year old level instead.  Build a half decent Academy facility somewhere and smooth the rough diamonds a few years earlier away from the first team squad.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 24, 2023, 12:01:39
Is he not more of a target man? He was a big lump even as a 17 year old.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 26, 2023, 16:56:52
Saidou Khan called up by Gambia for the African Nations Cup.

Well done him!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 14:09:27
Does anyone know anything about the remaining scholars? Dworzak got a pro deal, I'm assuming that nobody else has, but not really sure who the second year scholars were? I feel like someone mentioned that Harvey Fox might get a third year as a scholar.

I think (but don't know) that the second years might have been Dworzak, Fox, Wynn-Davis, Afenyo, Keyes and a few others. Pretty sure Hart and Kanu are still first year, now going into second.

Would be nice if the club at least acknowledged the lads released publicly and wished them the best. Not a huge thing or anything, just a nice touch (and good for those of us trying to update squad lists!)

Was Copland even a scholar, or something else?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Thursday, June 1, 2023, 15:31:05
Jamie Russell is doing a thing on the OSC on facebook tonight


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 16:05:02
Saidou Khan called up by Gambia for the African Nations Cup.

Well done him!

See he is being interviewed etc like this, I do fear it will be the start of his time here going to shit, have we ever had a player who has been called up like this and it still worked, thinking of both Kasim and Wollocott in both cases things were never the same again.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Cookie on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 16:26:36
Luongo was decent for Australia and it probably earned him the move to QPR (but only as the makeweight in the Gladwin deal of course).


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob1978 on Thursday, June 8, 2023, 21:05:25
Luongo was decent for Australia and it probably earned him the move to QPR (but only as the makeweight in the Gladwin deal of course).

Opposite Gladwin was makeweight. Complicated deal to avoid big sell on fee to spurs I believe.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, June 9, 2023, 08:48:29
That's the point, we all knew what Power was up to and so did Spurs, I'm certain Cookie knew that too and his comment was tongue in cheek.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, June 9, 2023, 08:48:58
That's the point, we all knew what Power was up to and so did Spurs, I'm certain Cookie knew that too and his comment was tongue in cheek.

Presume this was why the relationship with Spurs severed?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kinky Tom on Friday, June 9, 2023, 08:52:01
Undoubtably


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, June 9, 2023, 10:06:10
And Tim but dim also left Spurs too


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 23, 2023, 10:19:06
Brewitt 1 year contract extension confirmed by Flynn today.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 10:24:25
Players back Wednesday so plenty of scope for random Twittering after that thankfully.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, June 23, 2023, 10:37:46
Brewitt 1 year contract extension confirmed by Flynn today.

I mean it's hardly the most exciting news ever, but the club could have at least put out a 2 liner to confirm this whilst nothing was going on.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:04:44
Baffling isn't it?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:15:30
Baffling isn't it?

Not really, when did he sign the contract, if it was yesterday or today for instance it gave Flynn something interesting to say.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Processed Beats on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:43:56
We'd have been better off not re-signing him to be honest. No where near good enough.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:46:54
https://www.totalswindon.com/sport/mike-flynn-has-told-multiple-first-team-players-they-are-free-to-leave-swindon/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:48:37
We'd have been better off not re-signing him to be honest. No where near good enough.

He's fine as a squad player, but that's it. If he's in the XI at the start of the season we have a problem.

Also worth saying, it was suggested the extra year offer was triggered by him playing x number of games, so there may not have been much choice in it our end.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:50:43
Quote
Baffling isn't it?
could be a recent signature and the club seem to wait for confirmed approval rather than the 'subject to' releases.

Quote
Also worth saying, it was suggested the extra year offer was triggered by him playing x number of games, so there may not have been much choice in it our end.
Good point .

I'm sure I read somewhere that he was good he wouldn't be a guaranteed starter. Maybe it was clickbait hearsay


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Power to people on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:53:51
https://www.totalswindon.com/sport/mike-flynn-has-told-multiple-first-team-players-they-are-free-to-leave-swindon/

Interesting, sounds like not just 1 or 2 been told to find other clubs.

The adver mentions that brewitt has signed but also says:

FLYNN ON BREWITT, HEPBURN-MURPHY, MCEACHRAN

Flynn confirms Tom Brewitt HAS signed a contract which will keep him at the CG for another season.

Delighted the others have signed new deals earlier. Flynn

assume that means that HM & McEachran have signed, what about others what were ooc ?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 23, 2023, 11:58:59
Brewitt was the only open question, the others were options we took up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 23, 2023, 12:47:42
Brewitt is fine for this level.
Last seasons game time plus a pre-season & competent management and he will be fine.

….but that doesn’t let you cunts have a good moan does it?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jilted John on Friday, June 23, 2023, 13:04:24
….but that doesn’t let you cunts have a good moan does it?
The epitomy of irony.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 23, 2023, 13:07:00
sorry DV, we will conform


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, June 23, 2023, 13:35:05
Brewitt is more than an adequate back up for League Two. Remains to be seen if he could be anymore than that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 23, 2023, 13:49:36
Hope we get to see him in midfield in pre-season as that might be useful


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:01:14
Brewitt is more than an adequate back up for League Two. Remains to be seen if he could be anymore than that.

This, much as with Austin (in a very different way) I think it would be interesting to see what a proper preseason shows up.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:26:57
dolo exit confirmed


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:27:51
dolo exit confirmed
Where?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Hyabb17 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:30:20
Where?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/june/ellis-iandolo-completes-move-to-colchester-united/


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:31:52
Ah, he’s gone to Crawley just like all the ITKers said…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:33:11
Also, I’m genuinely surprised by two things.

1. He was an ever present in our play off season
2. He’s only 25!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:35:54
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/june/ellis-iandolo-completes-move-to-colchester-united/
Thanks


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:37:12
It was time to move on, but a good servant to the club and deserves to go with our best wishes. Thank you Ellis.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:40:24
Can’t believe we got money for him - albeit peanuts I suspect. £25,000 would be good.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:40:32
Just told my Son that Ellis has gone, his reaction was "We'll need to sign 3 backups to replace him then".

Which just about sums up his last year, never a starter but could cover multiple positions adequately for a game. Would have been a much more valuable player 20 years ago when you only had one or two subs.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:41:24
Whose our longest serving player now?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:41:56
He was relentlessly targeted when he was played at LB, though. Other teams knew.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:43:17
Whose our longest serving player now?

Aguair


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:50:21
Whose our longest serving player now?

Austin - assuming it doesn't have to be continuous service.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:51:15
He was relentlessly targeted when he was played at LB, though. Other teams knew.

For me he shone at LWB and was at best 'mixed' elsewhere... And brain dead. Some of the stupidest, most costly fouls.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 23, 2023, 14:54:45
Ah, I’d forgotten that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:03:12
Also, I’m genuinely surprised by two things.

1. He was an ever present in our play off season
2. He’s only 25!

Also caught my eye in the BBC piece that 'Iandolo played 172 games for the Robins, 26 of them last season'


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:03:25
Definitely think his Jack of all trades role has his hurt his career.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:04:58
It was time to move on, but a good servant to the club and deserves to go with our best wishes. Thank you Ellis.

Pretty much this.

He was relentlessly targeted when he was played at LB, though.

By other teams or his own supporters?   ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:05:56
Definitely think his Jack of all trades role has his hurt his career.


When he initially broke through it was as an attacking midfielder, and he showed some promise.  In those 170+ games, he never really improved, just became more versatile.  It certainly didn't help him develop as a player though.  

File under the Pook folder.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:17:12
Aguair

I think you are possibly right!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: stfcjack on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:19:14
He was criminally one footed as well.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:24:15
He was criminally one footed as well.

Much as with defenders and keepers who can pass a ball, in the main decent two footed players don't tend to stay in the basement division very long.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:41:46
"Ellis Landolo" according to Flynn!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fwz3pz


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:50:47
I wish Ellis well. Can still improve and go on to have a decent career.
Another club will get to see the best of him I suspect, which is a shame.

He wasn't that bad and the level of negative critique was disproportionate when compared with worse players that have donned the shirt.
Or maybe that was just the cumulative effect of more of less the same people piping up every week.

Yeah, one good season and held back by injuries and pigeonholed as a utility player which maybe didn't help with development. Time to move on.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:52:22
Always thought the same thing about Iandolo. Fine squad player for a LGE2 side but if you want to go up and he’s starting regularly then your squad balance isn’t right.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, June 23, 2023, 15:58:17
I wish Ellis well. Can still improve and go on to have a decent career.
Another club will get to see the best of him I suspect, which is a shame.

He wasn't that bad and the level of negative critique was disproportionate when compared with worse players that have donned the shirt.
Or maybe that was just the cumulative effect of more of less the same people piping up every week.

Yeah, one good season and held back by injuries and pigeonholed as a utility player which maybe didn't help with development. Time to move on.
I echo all of the above... some people get it in their heads they don't like a player and they will never change their minds, that's how it's always been and I'm sure always will.

He was our longest seving player by a country mile, not too many players around all four divisions have been with their Clubs since 2015...wonder who it is now? Not Charlie as I mean uninterrupted service...



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:00:32
Aguiar (Aug 2021) as a pro. Minturn if you include youth team spells (he's been with us since 2011 or so but only turned pro in Mar 2022). Those two and Dworzak are literally the only two players who were at this club as long ago as May 2022 I believe - every other member of the squad was signed last summer or later.

I know player turnover is incredible these days but we've shed the Garner team with unseemly haste.

Even if you only count Minturn's pro career he's already second  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:03:34
Sorry but Iandolo was a massively limited player who cant tackle or defend and is positionally clueless but when pressed can attack down the wing and can cross, has a half decent shot when he uses it.

No loss IMO, fill his slot with a youngster on the bench to save a wage.

We all have our own opinions of him and many of us seem to disagree...thats football.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:05:09
Indeed, just referred to the conveniently placed and regularly updated squad list on page 1....

Bloody hell🤣


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:12:50
Sorry but Iandolo was a massively limited player who cant tackle or defend and is positionally clueless but when pressed can attack down the wing and can cross, has a half decent shot when he uses it.

No loss IMO, fill his slot with a youngster on the bench to save a wage.

We all have our own opinions of him and many of us seem to disagree...thats football.
Is he a world beater?
Is he as bad as some make him out to be?

The answer to both, at least to me is clearly NO and reality lies.somewhere between the two.

I find this to be the case in most situations more often than not...

There's nothing wrong witb disagreeing... Shows independent thought, which is a very good thing... 😉


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:15:49
Is he a world beater?
Is he as bad as some make him out to be?

The answer to both, at least to me is clearly NO and reality lies.somewhere between the two.

I find this to be the case in most situations more often than not...

There's nothing wrong witb disagreeing... Shows independent thought, which is a very good thing... 😉
Absolutely.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:23:00
Sad to see a long serving player go. A versatile one at that.

However, I don't consider him to be first team quality. A liability positionally in defence, and doesn't make up for it enough going forward in perhaps the same way Hutton might.

As a midfielder, he doesn't do anything well enough to justify being in a team expected to challenge the right end of the table. He's not an enforcer, goal scorer or creator.

Wish him well but we can do better.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Friday, June 23, 2023, 16:47:54
Brewitt is fine for this level.
Last seasons game time plus a pre-season & competent management and he will be fine.

….but that doesn’t let you cunts have a good moan does it?

I call stat paddler Louis Reed to the dock mi lud..

Irony indeed :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, June 23, 2023, 17:17:05
Sorry but Iandolo was a massively limited player who cant tackle or defend and is positionally clueless but when pressed can attack down the wing and can cross, has a half decent shot when he uses it.

No loss IMO, fill his slot with a youngster on the bench to save a wage.

We all have our own opinions of him and many of us seem to disagree...thats football.

The best summing up of the player by a mile.
No football intelligence whatsoever. Great one out and now one in.👍⚽️


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, June 23, 2023, 18:05:36
As I see it, Ian Dolo had 8 seasons with us, which is both an asset and a mill stone. Those years give you a pretty decent look at a player. Good, bad and ugly, plus injuries. A player who only has one or two seasons can get off pretty lightly one way or another and is soon forgotten.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Processed Beats on Friday, June 23, 2023, 18:22:22
Good dribbler, shit defender. I don't think we'll miss him.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 23, 2023, 20:18:52
I call stat paddler Louis Reed to the dock mi lud..

Irony indeed :D

…but…Reed had game time in a decent team under a competent manager & he had the added bonus of a pre season.

…and still hindered us. He really got shown up without Jack Payne in midfield with him to grab it off him and drive forward.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, June 23, 2023, 21:24:51
…but…Reed had game time in a decent team under a competent manager & he had the added bonus of a pre season.

…and still hindered us. He really got shown up without Jack Payne in midfield with him to grab it off him and drive forward.

Was about bringing in the right players to fit the Managers system.
Last Manager that nailed it was Wellens.

Feel some confidence that Flynn just might deliver it.
Unfortunately we have some shite on deals that we are desperately trying to peddle to balance the books.



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 24, 2023, 08:54:00
Ah, he’s gone to Crawley just like all the ITKers said…
Crawley wanted him 100% but when we wanted a fee that ruled them out as the club are under a self imposed embargo on signing players that are not free transfers.

I wouldn't be surprised for them to see them going into admin soon as the owners have scarpered and have not been seen by anyone at the club since April and are desperate to sell, even for a huge loss, as WAGMI's NFT empire collapses around them.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 24, 2023, 12:12:21
…but…Reed had game time in a decent team under a competent manager & he had the added bonus of a pre season.

…and still hindered us. He really got shown up without Jack Payne in midfield with him to grab it off him and drive forward.

….but that didn't stop you cunts having a good moan did it?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 24, 2023, 14:16:28
….but that didn't stop you cunts having a good moan did it?

Not the same thing but ok.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 24, 2023, 18:29:27
If you didn't see the irony in your original post then I don't think there is anymore I can say..


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 24, 2023, 23:50:41
I didn’t rate Reed but I didn’t just specifically come on this forum to moan about him.
Unlike Processed Beats who only frequents the TEF to moan about every single thing Swindon related.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 10:35:41
The point was, which you seem to be struggling to comprehend, in your original post you called a group cunts for not having the same opinion as you, it's as simple as that really - yet you have a habit of going in hard on players/managers you don't rate, at every opportunity, on every thread at the time.  I don't see many people labelling you as a cunt if they didn't agree with you, that's all.

Anyway, let's move on - like a bad joke, it's no longer funny if you have to spell it out for the other party.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 10:58:02
The point was, which you seem to be struggling to comprehend, in your original post you called a group cunts for not having the same opinion as you, it's as simple as that really - yet you have a habit of going in hard on players/managers you don't rate, at every opportunity, on every thread at the time.  I don't see many people labelling you as a cunt if they didn't agree with you, that's all.

Anyway, let's move on - like a bad joke, it's no longer funny if you have spell it out for the other party.

 👍


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 12:20:04
Which side of the bed did you get out of this morning ...soapy tit wank


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Sunday, June 25, 2023, 13:01:37
The point was, which you seem to be struggling to comprehend, in your original post you called a group cunts for not having the same opinion as you, it's as simple as that really - yet you have a habit of going in hard on players/managers you don't rate, at every opportunity, on every thread at the time.  I don't see many people labelling you as a cunt if they didn't agree with you, that's all.

Anyway, let's move on - like a bad joke, it's no longer funny if you have spell it out for the other party.

I called a group cunts because they only appear on here to have a negative opinion about everything…

Yeah, I agree - move on


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 09:27:30
For those FBT pessimists, he’s training this morning



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:41:37
Poor photo or fuzzed out?



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:42:59
Poor photo or fuzzed out?


Looks bit fuzzed out to me.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:46:52
Another fuzzy one



Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:47:07
Poor photo or fuzzed out?



Poor photo. It's the youngster Kanu isn't it?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:48:21
Declan Frith perhaps?

(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/1600x1600/f94064e0-1a31-11ed-b057-e3843e8dd104.jpg)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, July 3, 2023, 11:51:13
Poor photo or fuzzed out?


Looks like Kanu


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Benzel on Monday, July 3, 2023, 14:14:14
Photography not some you lot's strong suit hey? 😂


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, July 3, 2023, 14:45:05
People were saying Clayton was off as well. Has he been in training?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Monday, July 3, 2023, 14:50:28
People were saying Clayton was off as well. Has he been in training?

Yes, he has.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 3, 2023, 14:55:15
Photography not some you lot's strong suit hey? 😂

Was just about to comment with... Bokeh  ::)

Edit: And no, he isn't any good  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Berniman on Monday, July 3, 2023, 16:20:02
People were saying Clayton was off as well. Has he been in training?

He's in the photo above  ;)


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Benzel on Monday, July 3, 2023, 18:29:01
Yes the unfuzzy guy in the middle


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, July 3, 2023, 18:40:39
Did none of you notice that in your desperate attempts to persuade yourselves that there are players we don't know about at training based on the fact that players outside the focused subject of photos appeared blurred, one of you has posted a picture of a villa PL2 game in which everyone except the subject of the picture is similarly blurred.

It's like you've never seen pro photos before.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 18:49:12
Who fucking cares. Nobody loves a smart arse!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:01:32
Who fucking cares. Nobody loves a smart arse!

Well you seem a lot more bothered about it than me. I just thought it was funny. Oh and if you're allergic to smart are remarks have you considered that internet forums are a bad place to hang about?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:14:08
They’re fine. You just need to avoid the pricks.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:26:07
Who fucking cares. Nobody loves a smart arse!

Just trying to backtrack there Aud  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Benzel on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:28:21
Everybody focus on something relaxing.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:30:19
Everybody focus on something relaxing.

I love to chill out looking at the depth of a field  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:31:52
Brewitt finally confirmed


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:37:30
Brewitt finally confirmed

God knows why we offered him a contract, he’s shite.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:39:01
They had an option didnt they


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:39:14
God knows why we offered him a contract, he’s shite.

I thought we had to, as he hit a trigger based on number of matches played?  The delay being whether or not he fancied us.

edit:  Strike that, looks like it was the other way around, with us having an option to extend.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:47:12
God knows why we offered him a contract, he’s shite.

Just goes to show.

I thought he was generally a useful addition to last seasons squad.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: RobertT on Monday, July 3, 2023, 19:51:42
Just goes to show.

I thought he was generally a useful addition to last seasons squad.

He was a centre back, and we didn't have any for a bit, so he was useful in that regard.  I think he was OK without being someone you'd want as first choice in a promotion chasing team.  Good back-up option though.  I'd be concerned if he was seen as the starting centre back though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, July 3, 2023, 20:14:43
What was Reece Devines injury?

Is he any good? Is he likely to ever play for us?  What position?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 3, 2023, 20:23:44
LB. Looked more than decent in his fleeting appearance. No idea if he’s made of straw.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Briggany on Monday, July 3, 2023, 20:39:45
When we were first linked with Brewitt I checked out his highlight reel and thought he was more of a defensive midfielder. Seemed to win the ball up around the half way line and beyond more often than not and drive forward.

Maybe it is a case of that is where he is more natural but he can play CB semi decently so was good enough to come i n when we were desperate for a defender.

We may see him moved into that defensive midfield role this season if Flyn plays with one. Saying that if he is playing with a back five and a CDM then that only leaves four attacking options in the opposition 3rd.   


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 3, 2023, 21:17:44
Brewitt finally confirmed

Clearly I'm losing it as I'm sure this had already happened. I'd even updated the first post...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Monday, July 3, 2023, 21:51:59
Clearly I'm losing it as I'm sure this had already happened. I'd even updated the first post...
Was confirmed a while back in an interview with Flynn so you aren’t losing it. The club took a little longer to publicise it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 08:50:48
What was Reece Devines injury?

Is he any good? Is he likely to ever play for us?  What position?
I watched both his appearances for us and he looks a decent prospect, can cross a ball and tackle and is pretty quick.

Jodie played him against the wishes of the medical team and it backfired.

I hope he can regain fitness I think hes a decent prospect.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 11:13:15

We may see him moved into that defensive midfield role this season if Flyn plays with one.

Well god knows we need one. Clayton can supposedly play there too. Both should have been tried in the final games of the season when it was dead rubber.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 11:14:54
Was confirmed a while back in an interview with Flynn so you aren’t losing it. The club took a little longer to publicise it.

As is tradition.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 11:31:49
Well god knows we need one. Clayton can supposedly play there too. Both should have been tried in the final games of the season when it was dead rubber.
Clayton played in DMC for Liverpool U23s and Scotland U19s/U21s as well as at CB for both. Also Lavinier played at DMC for Spurs U21/U23s.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 11:46:05
Quote from: Nemo
Clearly I'm losing it as I'm sure this had already happened. I'd even updated the first post...


sorry for the confusion - the club finally tweeted it yesterday. Flynn said so last week


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 11:53:18
Just waiting for the announcement in the London Gazette and then people will be content.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 00:16:56
Just waiting for the announcement in the London Gazette and then people will be content.

I'll be much more at ease when it appears in the Evening Standard


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, July 5, 2023, 09:28:17
I'll be much more at ease when it appears in the Evening Standard
Or as they call it in Landan the "Eeenin Stanit".


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: adje on Thursday, July 6, 2023, 10:39:48
Or as they call it in Landan the "Eeenin Stanit".
😂


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 24, 2023, 16:55:58
Midfielder Anton Dworzak and Academy defender Sonny Hart have joined National League North side Gloucester City on (a two month) loan


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, July 24, 2023, 17:01:16
Clearing the decks for an influx of top quality Championship players no doubt!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 24, 2023, 17:57:09
I think we can assume from that the club are not worried about having enough players to field a squad at Colchester at least.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, July 24, 2023, 17:58:48
I think we can assume from that the club are not worried about having enough players to field a squad at Colchester at least.

This was my first thought, that’s 3 players we’ve let go in the last few days you’d have expected to be in and around the squad for Colchester.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, July 27, 2023, 16:17:35
Adeloye to Partick Thistle on loan means the squad now comprises 18 professional footballers, 16 of whom are fit. At least team selection for Saturday should be easy!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, July 27, 2023, 16:22:19
Adeloye to Partick Thistle on loan means the squad now comprises 18 professional footballers, 16 of whom are fit. At least team selection for Saturday should be easy!

Need 6 signings by Flynns own ideal definition of a squad size he likes then.

Most of them defenders please.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, July 27, 2023, 19:06:45
Plus at least one quality striker we're threadbare up front.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, July 27, 2023, 21:15:30
Plus at least one quality striker we're threadbare up front.
A competent League 2 striker as back up for Austin will be fine..even better if they’ve a physical presence so we can mix it up. Someone like Harry Smith would fit the bill (I’m aware he has signed elsewhere)

Hopefully the budget for the more quality players will be directed to centre half, I’d still like a physical CM too


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, July 27, 2023, 21:20:50
Edwards, Kinsella, Cooper, Genesini - chuck in Tomlinson for good luck plus Marquis from Rovers.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 05:47:44
Some dude on twitter reckons Darcy is off today.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: molepar on Friday, July 28, 2023, 05:49:49
Some dude on twitter reckons Darcy is off today.
Have you got the link to the tweet? Did he say where to?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: UTR on Friday, July 28, 2023, 05:51:33
Some dude on twitter reckons Darcy is off today.

Obviously can’t say for sure but I heard a rumour a couple days back that Crawley bid for him


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, July 28, 2023, 06:36:05
Edwards, Kinsella, Cooper, Genesini - chuck in Tomlinson for good luck plus Marquis from Rovers.

I wouldn’t bother with Tomlinson, not with his injury record, we’ve got enough of that as it is.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 06:40:55
Have you got the link to the tweet? Did he say where to?
Didn’t say where, just bemoaning that as players leave there isn’t any sign of incoming. I thought the sight of players leaving was a good one regarding that.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, July 28, 2023, 06:44:10
I thought all contracts expired 30th June or 1st July?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 06:54:44
I thought all contracts expired 30th June or 1st July?

Ignore me, wiki says 30th June.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 06:56:47
I think there is also an additional payment month up til 1 August for players who haven’t got a new contract.

‘ These clauses state that if a player whose deal expires on June 30 has not secured a move elsewhere by July 31, he is paid a month's salary for that period by the club he has left.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 28, 2023, 07:33:47
Quote
Have you got the link to the tweet? Did he say where to?
https://twitter.com/CamelSaunders/status/1684767219920637952?t=iRlWWXF6lCWeH9jry--9Eg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/CamelSaunders/status/1684767219920637952?t=iRlWWXF6lCWeH9jry--9Eg&s=19)
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I'd say that players going out would be clearing the decks for incoming.

the alternative is that something brown and smelly has hit the financial fan. But even though I think we're skint, even I think that unlikely


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 28, 2023, 07:47:01
I think there is also an additional payment month up til 1 August for players who haven’t got a new contract.

‘ These clauses state that if a player whose deal expires on June 30 has not secured a move elsewhere by July 31, he is paid a month's salary for that period by the club he has left.


So take Kinsella for example. If he hangs on until 1st August and then signs a deal with us, Walsall have to pay him a month's salary and then we pick up the wages from August?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 28, 2023, 07:55:08
So take Kinsella for example. If he hangs on until 1st August and then signs a deal with us, Walsall have to pay him a month's salary and then we pick up the wages from August?

That’s how it read.
However, if it is true and as simple as that / I’d have thought making a boat load of signings August 2nd would be much more common in the lower leagues.

Plus, that would obviously mean their contracts don’t technically finish June 30th….


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 28, 2023, 07:57:18
That’s how it read.
However, if it is true and as simple as that / I’d have thought making a boat load of signings August 2nd would be much more common in the lower leagues.

Plus, that would obviously mean their contracts don’t technically finish June 30th….

Yeah, sounds a little murky doesn't it.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:23:05
Strange way of approaching your recruitment, based purely on signing players who are willing to screw an extra month from their previous employer.

If a club signs, say, 6 players on perms @ £2k a week, not paying for the month of July would save them £48m. Not insignificant.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:28:46
Strange way of approaching your recruitment, based purely on signing players who are willing to screw an extra month from their previous employer.

If a club signs, say, 6 players on perms @ £2k a week, not paying for the month of July would save them £48m. Not insignificant.

I hope you are not an accountant


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:31:17
I hope you are not an accountant

 :girlgiggle: :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: welshred on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:31:55
Strange way of approaching your recruitment, based purely on signing players who are willing to screw an extra month from their previous employer.

If a club signs, say, 6 players on perms @ £2k a week, not paying for the month of July would save them £48m. Not insignificant.

48m??  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:41:03
48m??  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
k


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:48:43
Ignoring Audrey's Austin Powers moment, he's right to say that 50k isn't a small amount, given the pond we're fishing in.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 08:50:03
Obviously can’t say for sure but I heard a rumour a couple days back that Crawley bid for him
I am pretty sure it wont be Crawley if he does leave, we paid money for Darcy to Bolton and will want some of that back and Crawley are flat broke and wont buy players for money, hence Iandolo going to Colchester. There are also percentage add ons to be paid to Bolton on any transfer of Darcy.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:05:49
Ignoring Audrey's Austin Powers moment, he's right to say that 50k isn't a small amount, given the pond we're fishing in.
That £1k per week could be the difference in signing say, Edwards or not.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bogus Dave on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:07:28
What an incredibly poverty ridden approach to running a football club if so


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Riddick on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:10:07
That £1k per week could be the difference in signing say, Edwards or not.

I'm just not buying this Aug 1st crap honestly. That was the angle people talked about for not doing deals in June, because the 1st of July meant something financially.

If we have a competitive budget than the club trying to save 1-2% of its overall yearly player budget by not paying for new players for a month, is just complete bullshit.

They will lose way more than 48k if we lose the first few games, other players then don't fancy joining us, and fans on the edge of buying seasons tickets decide to not bother.

Its just not a real reason and is nonsense fan speculation.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:11:57
Well, that’s the point. It is fan speculation. Nobody is saying it’s true.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:12:46
Ignoring Audrey's Austin Powers moment, he's right to say that 50k isn't a small amount, given the pond we're fishing in.

Austin Powers or Dianne Abbott?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: tans on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:29:49
I asked Ryan Whelan about expiring contracts.

‘ Contract expired 1st July and they're out of contract and free to move from then. But they're entitled to receive up to a month's pay after that as a severence payment should they not find suitable employment elsewhere.

Meaning if they haven't found a club by the 1st August they'll lose their income.

That's pretty standard but isn't universal.’


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 28, 2023, 09:58:24
yeah, solidarity payment.

point is, that's bugger all to do with us, and unless we are paying them less than they were on it is no disadvantage to the player either way.

cashflow must be tighter than a nuns chuff if we are risking holding off until August and potentially losing a key player for the sake of a month's wonga.

without a clear way out of this I'm getting concerned Clem isn't the man to take us forward quickly enough. But admittedly I don't know what plans there are to get us out of firefighting mode, and that's for another thread


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 10:05:37
cashflow must be tighter than a nuns chuff if we are risking holding off until August and potentially losing a key player for the sake of a month's wonga.
That is all very Lee Poweresque. He was known to save money in such ways when he was with us.

The cashflow situation must be astoundingly bad if that is ever remotely true though.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, July 28, 2023, 10:46:45
I really hope it isn't true, but apparently the old CFO told people when he left the club was almost trading insolvent.


Title: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Batch on Friday, July 28, 2023, 10:52:39
Quote
I really hope it isn't true, but apparently the old CFO told people when he left the club was almost trading insolvent.
do we know why he was 'asked to resign'?

I could believe us being on the bread line, but also wonder about that and whether it's lead to distorting his views towards the club.

directors would be very nervous of testing while insolvent as they become personally liable


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 10:54:59
Greg Norman was his name?
I saw a tweet come up from his daughter saying he was the one who designed this seasons away kit before he left.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, July 28, 2023, 10:57:36
do we know why he was 'asked to resign'?

I could believe us being on the bread line, but also wonder about that and whether it's lead to distorting his views towards the club.

directors would be very nervous of testing while insolvent as they become personally liable

He was the fella that was basically doing multiple roles for a while wasn't he?

Perhaps what he said was tongue in cheek because of how hard he was worked or something?


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, July 28, 2023, 10:57:46
Greg Norman was his name?
I saw a tweet come up from his daughter saying he was the one who designed this seasons away kit before he left.
I believe that is correct mate.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 28, 2023, 15:39:21
17 professional footballers on the books the day before the final friendly. At least two, maybe three of those crocked. The optimistic view is that the next 7 days are going to be a fun time to be a Town fan!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: DiV on Friday, July 28, 2023, 15:51:01
17 professional footballers on the books the day before the final friendly. At least two, maybe three of those crocked. The optimistic view is that the next 7 days are going to be a fun time to be a Town fan!

It’s gonna be shit or bust on Tuesday.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2022/23)
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 28, 2023, 15:53:41
yeah, solidarity payment.

point is, that's bugger all to do with us, and unless we are paying them less than they were on it is no disadvantage to the player either way.

cashflow must be tighter than a nuns chuff if we are risking holding off until August and potentially losing a key player for the sake of a month's wonga.

without a clear way out of this I'm getting concerned Clem isn't the man to take us forward quickly enough. But admittedly I don't know what plans there are to get us out of firefighting mode, and that's for another thread
I don't think that has been the issue. We have been beat to the signature by a few clubs for players as we all know so if that was the case we wouldn't have made them offers.

I think we just need to believe Flynn when he says he is waiting


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: adje on Friday, July 28, 2023, 16:06:41
Yep,when we have 11 fit players for Colchester I will start panicking!


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 28, 2023, 16:12:28
Yep,when we have 11 fit players for Colchester I will start panicking!

The current situation is more than panic stations for me if we're heading in to the season with this squad. A signing or two isn't going to sort it either. We need 6 or 7 to compete close to the play offs this season.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: DMC on Friday, July 28, 2023, 16:15:51
The current situation is more than panic stations for me if we're heading in to the season with this squad. A signing or two isn't going to sort it either. We need 6 or 7 to compete close to the play offs this season.
I honestly think we will have that 6 or 7 by the end of the windo, 3 for next week.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Friday, July 28, 2023, 16:18:26
I honestly think we will have that 6 or 7 by the end of the windo, 3 for next week.
I admire your optimism and sincerely hope you're right...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, July 28, 2023, 16:22:32
I honestly think we will have that 6 or 7 by the end of the windo, 3 for next week.

Mostly defenders, one striker and Kinsella and i'll remove my finger from the panic button until at least 5pm 5th August  :D


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Nemo on Friday, July 28, 2023, 19:08:34
"Fun" fact: Liam Kinsella has played more EFL games (212) than:

Murphy Mahoney (2)
Conor Brann (0)
Tom Clayton (33)
Reece Devine (9)
Marcel Lavinier (23)
George McEachran (16)
Jake Cain (41)
Jacob Wakeling (49)
Tom Brewitt (34)

Combined...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: UTR on Friday, July 28, 2023, 19:21:17
Happy with Kinsella, a solid addition. Just hope we can get a couple CB’s over the line soon.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, July 28, 2023, 19:24:59
Hopefully there’s a surprising one.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 4, 2023, 06:24:51
Given our stated aim to 'try' in all of the cup competitions, including the Pizza Cup, how are we going to rotate the squad in this hectic first month...? We are bare bones...


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, August 4, 2023, 06:32:24
Given our stated aim to 'try' in all of the cup competitions, including the Pizza Cup, how are we going to rotate the squad in this hectic first month...? We are bare bones...


If you watch the interview with Hatswell on OSC he said ideally with the FA Cup you want to get to the 2nd round, draw a big team, get some money and go out so you can concentrate on the league.
He spoke about the Newport cup runs hindered their attempts for promotion.
My take is don’t expect us to all in on cup runs this season.
This management team are known for the cup runs and I’m more than confident they’ll at least take them more seriously than SL at Walsall. Loathed Stranger Dan Hunt is still scared by attending that game


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: DMC on Friday, August 4, 2023, 06:32:39
Given our stated aim to 'try' in all of the cup competitions, including the Pizza Cup, how are we going to rotate the squad in this hectic first month...? We are bare bones...
Worry about that if we have to but can't see us rotating in the first month anyway so imagine we will play a strong team but include the youngsters who won't be involved in as many league games

Jack Copland
Harvey Fox
Abu Kanu
Josh Keyes
Jaxon Brown




Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: DiV on Friday, August 4, 2023, 06:33:36
We’ll rotate 90° and play the players out of position…


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, August 4, 2023, 06:42:45

If you watch the interview with Hatswell on OSC he said ideally with the FA Cup you want to get to the 2nd round, draw a big team, get some money and go out so you can concentrate on the league.
He spoke about the Newport cup runs hindered their attempts for promotion.
My take is don’t expect us to all in on cup runs this season.
This management team are known for the cup runs and I’m more than confident they’ll at least take them more seriously than SL at Walsall. Loathed Stranger Dan Hunt is still scared by attending that game
I think he meant 'get through' the 2nd round and draw a big team in the 3rd round.

But your point stands.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Kaufman on Friday, August 4, 2023, 06:50:14
I think he meant 'get through' the 2nd round and draw a big team in the 3rd round.

But your point stands.

Yep sorry, got mixed up with the cups there as League cup brings in big clubs 2nd round.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Mooneyraker on Friday, August 4, 2023, 07:26:35
Worry about that if we have to but can't see us rotating in the first month anyway so imagine we will play a strong team but include the youngsters who won't be involved in as many league games

Jack Copland
Harvey Fox
Abu Kanu
Josh Keyes
Jaxon Brown




We have 7 games in August. If we don't rotate then our first XI will be picking up injuries.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, August 4, 2023, 07:56:44
Yep sorry, got mixed up with the cups there as League cup brings in big clubs 2nd round.

I'm not sure of the rules of the league cup 2nd round. But I think the Premier league teams not in Europe come into play and I *think* that might include Spurs and Chelsea. If we somehow squeeze past Peterborough, there is potential gold in the next round. A home tie against either of those clubs would have a good chance of being televised, big crowd etc. I don't think the prize fund in the league cup is particularly good, but it would still bring in a pretty penny.


Title: Re: The Squad List (2023/24 Edition)
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, August 4, 2023, 09:14:08