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Here's everybody's predictions. Sorry it's a few days late. Busy Times.

STFC Dave
1. The queen
2. Prince Charles
3. Michael Parkinson
4. John McCain
5. John Cleese
6. Michael Bublé
7. Britney Spears
8. Bono
9. Austin Stevens
10. Lulu

JFW
1. Britney Spears
2. Amy Winehouse
3. Christopher Biggins
4. Stevie Wonder
5. The Queen
6. Thatcher
7. Robbie Williams
8. Woody Allen
9. Jade Goody
10. Joaquin Phoenix

A Gent Orange
1. Asif Ali Zardari
2. Hamid Karzai
3. Muammar Gaddafi
4. Fidel Castro
5. Kim Jong Ill
6. Michael Foot
7. Jimmy Saville
8. Ian Paisley
9. Kirk Douglas
10. Thatcher


Mex
1. Margaret Thatcher
2. Norman Tebbit
3. The Queen
4. Duke of edinburgh
5. Prince Charles
6. Camilla
7. Prince William
8. Prince Harry
9. Princess Micheal of Kent
10. George Bush Snr.


arriba
1. patrick moore
2. june brown
3. richard attenborough
4. denis norden
5. amy winehouse
6. prince phillip
7. ken dodd
8. lord stoddart
9. kirk douglas
10. barack obama.

DRS
1. Bruce Forsythe
2. Paul Gasgoine
3. Barack obama
4. Prince phillip- Racist attack by a zulu
5. Bobby robson- i hope not
6. The queen- Aids
7. Cliff Richard- Pure bumming
8. Paul ogrady – overdose on jam
9. Wendy Richard- for being a cunt
10. Ian Huntley- Stabbed


JJEdmunds
1. Barack Obama
2. Margaret Thatcher
3. Norman Wisdom
4. Ice-T
5. Gene Wilder
6. OJ Simpson
7. Elizabeth Taylor
8. Mohammed Ali
9. Mel Gibson
10. Winona Ryder


Dazzza
1. Norman Wisdom
2. Fidel Castro
3. Russell Watson
4. Elizabeth Taylor
5. Bobby Robson  
6. Rowdy Roddy Piper
7. Magic Johnson
8. Jim Branning
9. Prince Philip
10. Barack Obama


SwindonBob
1. Bobby Robson
2. Seve Ballesteros
3. Fidel Castro
4. Parkinson
5. Jade Goody
6. Russel Watson
7. Prince Phillip
8. Barrack Obama
9. Bear Grylls
10. David Blaine


Land_of_Bo
1. Bruce Forysth
2. Barack Obama
3. Murray Walker
4. Nelson Mandela
5. Spanky Spangler
6. OJ Simpson
7. Thaksin Shinawatra
8. Queen Elizabeth
9. Paul Gascoigne
10. Jimmy Saville

Nemo
1. Hamed Karzai (Afghan PM Chap, 51)
2. Jimmy Savile (Possibly immortal, 82)
3. Lindsay Lohan (We live in hope, 22)
4. Amy Winehouse (Because everyone will, 25)
5. Pete Docherty (See Winehouse, 29)
6. Jade Goody (See Lohan, 27)
7. Britney Spears (Circling the Drain, 27)
8. Paul Gascoigne (See Spears, 41)
9. 10. Olsens 1 and 2 (Regulars in these thing, Both 22)


Triseros
1. Barack Obamah (From Nostradamus Quatran 3/6)
2. Bruce Forsyth
3. Bear Grills
4. Clint Eastwood
5. Pete Doherty
6. Jack Osbourne
7. Murray Walker
8. Kerry Katona
9. Margaret Thatcher
10. Anthony Wedgewood Benn

Bangkok Red
1. Barack Obama.
2. Paul Gascoigne.
3. Muhammad Ali.
4. Josef Fritzl.
5. The King of Thailand.
6. David Attenborough
7. Gary Glitter
8. Lewis Hamilton
9. Timmy Mallett.
10. Alex Ferguson

Samdy Gray
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. The Queen
3. Barack Obama
4. Olivia-Newton John
5. Terry Wogan
6. Paul Daniels
7. Ranulph Fiennes
8. Sir Paul McCartney
9. Richard Branson
10. David Jason


Leefer
1. Liz Dawn...vera duckworth
2. Wendy Richards.
3. Micky Rooney
4. Paul Gasgoine
5. Sir Bobby Robson
6. Patrick Swayze
7. O J Simpson
8. Barrack Obama
9. Nelson Mandela
10. Burt Reynolds.

Village
1. Paul "Gazza" Gascoigne, 41
2. Tony Blackburn, 65
3. Barack Obama, 47
4. Jade Goody, 27
5. Jim "Bullseye" Bowen, 71
6. Diego Maradona, 48
7. Patrick Swayze, 56
8. Amy Winehouse, 25
9. Paul O'Grady, 53
10. Anthony Kiedis, 46

ghanimah
1. Barack Obama
2. Sir Bobby Robson
3. Michael Foot
4. Eunice Kennedy Shriver
5. Zsar Zsar Gabor
6. Peter Walwyn
7. Artie Lange
8. Chapman Pincher
9. Shaun Tait
10. Álvaro Uribe

DanJackson10
1. David Jason
2. Trevor McDonald
3. Fidel Castro
4. Larry Gelbart
5. Patrick Moore
6. Carl Reiner
7. Dick van Dyke
8. Norman Wisdom
9. Paul Gascogine
10. Amy Winehouse


Rich Pullen
1. Nelson Mandela
2. Sir Tom Finney
3. Bert Trautmann
4. Maggie Thatcher
5. Elizabeth Taylor
6. Barack Obama
7. Willie Nelson
8. Kelsey Grammar
9. Queen Elizabeth II
10. Kirk Douglas

Fred Elliot
1. Barrack Obama - Murdered by White Supremacist's (Hillary Clinton)
2. Boy George - Drugs OD whilst shagging Max Mosley yelling "Seig Heil !"
3. Maxine Carr - Who cares
4. Ian Huntly - Ditto
5. David Blunket - His dog goes deaf and leads him into the path of Leefer's wagon
6. Lee Majors - We cannot rebuild him
7. Dolly Parton - Tits exploded
8. Robbie Williams - We can but hope
9. Flo Rida - Following a heated gurn-off with Harvey from So Solid crew
10. Barrymore - likes it up the ass innit

Batch
1. Margaret Thatcher
2. Murray Walker
3. Patrick Moore
4. Peter Sallis
5.  Kirk Douglas
6. Stephen Hawking
7. Amy Winehouse (obviously)
9. Kylie Minogue
10. Russell Watson

Yeovil
1. Phil Jupitus
2. William Shatner
3. Barak Obamha
4. Sean Ryder
5. Micheal Jackson
6. Gazza
7. Jerermy Clarkson
8. Micky Rourke
9. Jack nicholson
10. Warren Mitchell

JPC82
1. Gene Wilder
2. John Savident
3. Paul Gascoigne
4. Valentino Rossi
5. Bobby Robson
6. Patrick Swayze
7. OJ Simpson
8. MaggieThatcher
9. Hugh Hefner
10. Hulk Hogan

Nick Bamosomi
1. Burt Reynolds
2. Paul Gascoigne
3. Bobby Robson
4. Prince Philip
5. Eric Sykes
6. Patrick Moore
7. Dolly Parton
8. Jimmy Carter (ex US President)
9. Margaret Thatcher
10. Marcus Trescothick

Spacey
1. Jeremy Clarkson (Car crash)
2. Lewis Hamilton (car crash)
3. Sharon Osbourne (Tortured to death)
4. Paul Daniels (car crash)
5. Debbie McGee (Car crash, Daniels driving)
6. David Cameron (Knocked off his bike by his chauffer)
7. Jack Charlton (Hunting accident)
8. Jim Davidson (heart attack)
9. 10. Christine and Neil Hamilton (suicide pact)

Chubbs
1. Bruce Forsyth
2. Maggie Thatcher
3. The queen
4. Robbie Williams
5. Snoop Dogg
6. Des O'Conner
7. Terry Wogan
8. patrick swayze
9. Tom Cruise
10. Steven Speilberg

LucienSanchez
1. Ariel Sharon
2. Betty Ford
3. Ian Huntley
4. Bobby Robson
5. OJ Simpson
6. Kim Jong Il
7. Mickey Rooney
8. Kirk Douglas
9. Prince Harry
10. Fidel Castro


Barry Scott
1. Donald Sutherland
2. Ozzy Osbourne
3. The Queen
4. Shane MacGowan
5. Jo Brand
6. Johnny Vegas
7. Nelson Mandela
8. Des O'Connor
9. Paul Hogan
10. Bruce Forsyth

Rossi
1. Bobby robson
2. Barack Obama
3. Prince Philip
4. Maggie thatcher
5. Kim II sung
6. Mel brooks
7. Gene wilder
8. Nelson Mandela
9. Patrick Moore
10. John bardon (jim from eastenders)




Right. Apart from the numbering the list is pretty much as recieved from each person, I'll go through and standardise names (Queen, Prince Philip etc.) when I next get a chance.

Interesting that presumed favourites Pete and Amy seem to be a fair bit behind the trio of Thatcher, Obama and The Queen. I did start doing a full count just before New Years Eve, but I lost track of Prince Philips and closed notepad in rage.

i see a few have gone for those already known to have terminal-life threatening illnessess.

Yeah. And there's a few that I'm guessing might be tricky to judge on. Swayze for instance I think may have denied his is terminal, yet it's still be pretty widely reported as otherwise, could be wrong, I can't honestly say that I've done that much research. Guess I'll worry about people like that if they die.

Cheers Ben..liked Spaceys reasons of death.

leefer.i think you will probably win as 4 of yours are terminally ill.

Can I withdraw my entry, I dont feel easy about this?

Well Arriba,reference to Fred Elliots comments with his list i will be keeping a good lookout for a certain fella and a dog...to try and boost my points.

Fuck me there's a lot of Obamas.

You gota good list Dell...though  hope Ben explained you only get half the points for Ronnie Corbett!

Scared of winning and Scotland Yard's response? :)

no one had travoltas boy then, would be nice to take an early lead

I wish I had read this site (2007) before posting my list

http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2268&page_number=2

Very disturbing i must say.

We still get points for the terminally ill though don't we? Just not as many.....thats the way forwards i think.

You can if you want. PM me.

Whilst I understand an uneasiness at the morbid nature of predicting the people's deaths, I think that by considering your list your thoughts will have been with their lives, both in the present and in the past. The list is a celebration of those who are notable enough to be remembered by many when their end comes, for both good and bad reasons; as well as a realisation that for many, their impact will be felt far beyond the direct actions their mortality allows.

Or some such bullshit.

maybe dell could make a list about which celebs he thinks will get pregnant, cos hes such a big wuss :)

im supprised not more poeple went for swayze apart from me and tcp

Yeah. 1/10th of what you would get normally.

There may well be some wisdom in picking up the almost guaranteed few points from the like of Wendy Richards and Bobby Robson, but in the end you've got no chance of hitting the big points you'd get with a younger, not ill person.

The factor of a tenth seems a bit high, although some consideration did go into it. It was between that and a score based on how many other people had picked the same person. The problem with the latter is mostly to do with the size of the fame pool we had to pick from, it would have been very easy to go through wikipedia and find obscure terminally ill people. Which is pretty boring when it comes to waiting to see who dies.

This could have been solved by stricter "fame" criteria than just having a wikipedia page, but then what do you pick instead? Stuff like an IMDB page and google search results end up being heavily skewed in favour of certain types of people.

Saying all that, if it works out ok and we play again for 2010 then it might be good to do a combo of the terminal illness rule and some sort of score weighting depending on how often they appear in lists. Have to wait and see I suppose.

It's a weird statistical balance of trying to keep the fun in making it worthwhile with lucky guesses and "feelings" about people, as well as rewarding a bit of research on who you thinks on their way out.

Ha.

Mex's list is just a wish list innit.

Good call on Thaksin Bo, don't know why I didn't think of that myself.

Oh, and I decided against Kim Jong Ill myself because of the low pointage factor.

how can you tell :)

Where does alcoholism stand in the terminal illness stakes?

Mediating on what is terminal disease wise as well could be difficult Ben, by terminal does that include people who have previously had Strokes and Heart Attacks or are we talking only about Cancer type illnesses?

As then Kirk Douglas who is known to have had a couple of major strokes would be worth 12 points based on the 100 point system but if strokes are classes as terminal then he is only worth 1.2 points!

Thats why I didnt go for the obvious ones like Castro, Wendy Richards and Bobby Robson.

Fidel Castro would be 1.8 points.
Wendy Richards would be 3.5 points.
Sir Bob Robson 2.5 points.

I dont really care either way TBH but I am just curious really as to what the guidelines are to the pointage.

I picked Kirk Douglas because he's old not because of previous illnesses, darn.

I'd already asked about known alcohol/drug abuse on the Winehouse issue and the ruling was as long as they didn't have terminal liver/brain marinading they count as healthy.

I read that to mean that alcoholism itself isn't an illness per se, but a causal factor to a number of other illnesses, be they terminal or not.

(Bollocks quota exceeded for one day)

same as.
i deliberately tried to stay away from the cancer-terminal illness sufferers ie bobby robson-wendy richard-swayze etc.

So are my Kylie/Watson picks on limited pointage? Both are in remission AFAIK and so while they are at higher risk than normal they aren't terminal.

They should be fine then batch. It's the other end of the scale I'm worried about judging, those who have (or are reported to have) potentially terminal diseases which aren't necessarily terminal yet.

Ahem

Did you not get mine FB? I emailed them to you instead of PM'ing them?

Ahhh. then I wouldn't have. I don't check the email account linked to my TEF login much anymore, and I've always been a bit bad with emails anyway.

I'll have a look through tomorrow.

For your latest deaths- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2009

uh oh need to get on and pick 4 more pronto - I thought of someone last night I wanted to add but Ive forgotten - shall I just post them on here Ben or PM them?

Noticed sadly Ian Greaves the former Bolton and Mansfield manager passes away on Jan 2nd...seem to remember we played alot against his teams in the past.

You were supposed to do it by about 5 days ago. But shh.. pm them to me and I'll sneak them in and hope nobody notices.

Got yours too Rossi. I'll add them in later.

OK thanks luv you x

I haven't done my 10 either. I forgot.

You are a joke, yes - just remembering your early posts about pulling birds!!!
You like the chase, but not the sex once caught, I believe that is correct. :flaccid:

i think you'll find i said i enjoy the sex but the chase is the exciting part

Then your life must be full of wet dreams??

How can the chase be better than the kill?

i just enjoy the chase, its new and exciting, then u get them and the nagging starts!!

How very true :nod:

That's where you're going wrong.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=buElOjx2T7w

Or as Lemmy will sometimes introduce it 'The Face is Better than the Snatch.'

Unfortunately he is 95% terminal:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a140706/swayze-i-may-only-have-two-more-years.html

yes, but i chose him before he admited it, so technicaly he did not have a terminal illness at the time of choice, therefor i shuold still get max points should he pop his clogs

I'm undecided on swayze as it has already been reported elsewhere last year than it wasn't looking good for him. But yeah, he himself hadn't admitted it.

Meh I'll decide when or if he dies.

spot on chubbster

Admitted what though? There's nothing Patrick has said since you voted for him that wasn't already known,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/entertainment/newsid_7281000/7281657.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7762168.stm


in fact he seems to be defying the odds, so when you voted for him he was more likely not to make it.


http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article5463736.ece

As someone who's not involved in this game, I do think it's a bit of a cheeky prediction.  The bloke has an aggressive form of cancer, and this was in the public domain at the time of prediction.

A stewards enquiry should be held should the geezer sadly pass away during 09.

But like I say I'm not in this game so what's it gotta do with me.

I said that if anybody asked me when they were making entries then I'd make a decision then. Nobody did. So I'm leaving it until people die now. Mainly because I can't be fucked to go through all the different people, some of which I haven't even heard of.

Hardcore.

I think he will live forever anyway like the queen

I had Tony Hart on my list and removed him as I just assumed he would live forever

indeed he was a reserve on my list, didnt have the hart to put him on

I'm surprised that nobody had him.

missed chance there for an early lead

What will Morph do now.

Sorry, I don't mean to make light of it. I think Hartbeat or whatever it was called is the only Art program I have ever watched.

And now some pictures from the gallery....

Tony Hart-great childhood memories and one of the great examples of rhyming slang "who's dropped a Tony?"

I agree, i wouldnt call him a "Legend" but definately someone that i grew up with and quite enjoyed watching when Hartbeat came on.

First points on the board for a couple of people with the passing of Wendy Richards today

I reckon you should obly get 3 points for 'shock' deaths and a point for terminals.

Wendy Richard is worth 3.5 points isn't she? 1/10th points due to the terminal clause.

I didn't know she was ill, shows how much interest I take in TV/film people.

Are You Being Served - she was a bit of scrubber/dish in those days.

RIP Wendy

Few Wendy Richards and Jade Goody's in there, and batch could be on for a Stephen Hawkins.

Don't think anybody has more than one though.

what do I get for Jacko  ???

You should piss this now!

God my precictions are rubbish!!! I reckon Yeovil is a secret Mystic Meg!

It's only June.

A Hawking and Thatcher combo can still gain me points. Not that I am washing them dead.

But Yeovil looks a good bet now.

Ive got Thatcher too - Is she still in hospital???

Hopefully we will have a cold winter - cull some of the old

Ooooooooh, harsh Charlotte!

 :eek:

But I like your style!

 ;D

Doesn't really rake in the points though does it, I reckon you should do some celeb stalking and 'accidentally' get involved with a collision.  Maybe wait till one of your younger shots leaves a club blind drunk and plough into him/her with your car, immoral yes, but effective...

one forum i post on has had a death pool for a few years, in the last 3 one poster has had 5/15 of his predictions come in. this year he's had fawcett and jackson. must be god

creepy...

That made me laugh!

boo Thatcher released and "on the mend" today!

why wont some of my picks DIE!!!

To spite you.

All 10 of your picks will drop dead 1 second into 2010.

meany pants! :P

I am willing to take a few out for you for a fee!

Being included with the halftime sweets and cookies will do!

 ;D

anyone have mollie sugden?
died today

RIP Mrs Slocombe and your pussy.  :cry:

RIP. Eunice Kennedy Shriver has died aged 88.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8195092.stm

Patrick Swazee will be on a few peoples lists

He was terminal though, surely?

i dont think it was pronounced as being terminal at the time, doesnt ben have rules on the points?
he was on my list

The TEF's answer to Arsene Wenger !!!

It had been as early as January 08 and on and off since then. I think he denied it to start off with but went quieter towards the end of the year.

Edit: If he died in a car crash or something then full points would be fair enough. As it appears that he died of the numerous terminal whatevers he was reported of having last year you get a tenth.

Anyone have Keith Floyd?

After seeing keith floyd last night, I agree with sussex...

good one, you jinxed it,  KF is now reported dead

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/sep/15/keith-floyd-dies

Yikes.  :(

Gutted about Floyd. Always found him entertaining, especially his disregard for other so called celebrity chefs. Weird timing what with the Keith meets Keith program on last night ! He did look about 457 though ! :chef: :beers:

Fuck me at 65 he looked as old as old arse holes. 

Great chef and a fucking fantastic presenter who will be missed.

I have to say though I saw that Keith meets Keith show last night and despite Allen bigging-up the old soak as a legend I couldn’t help but think he was nothing but a sorry carcass of the bloke he once was.  Real shame what booze does to people.

Im getting upset that none of my picks have died!!

still.... got a good few months yet - Im still hoping a cold winter will cull some elderly on my list

ruthless :)

Just reading some peoples predictions.
Nearly everyone went for Obama! Only got 4 months to go.

I did chuckle at DRS' choices and comments, one in particular caught my eye:


2 out of 10 so far though, not bad

Is it too early to ask Whoopi Goldberg if she's heard from Patrick Swayze yet?

Are you anticipating a sequel?

Bye bye Keith.

The man who got me interested in cooking.

PS he was trying to buy the Jesmond House Hotel in Highworth a few years ago but I think the drunk driving crash he had in Sevenhampton (was he lost?) put him off the purchase.

He had bowell cancer so maybe a blessing for him..RIP

Floyds cremation may last 3 days!!!!

A farewell flambé?

On a serious note, the best of the celebrity chefs.

RIP Keith.

Telegraph's Matt:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt

Ahhhh...I hadn't realised that he lived in Faringdingdong for a while.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4630631.Raising_a_glass_in_memory_of_Keith_Floyd/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4630631.Raising_a_glass_in_memory_of_Keith_Floyd/)

I'm guessing nobody had poor little Stephen  :(

Shit, just seen that, only 33 aswell. RIP Mr Gateley.

I shouldn't think so, Sussex.
That's shocking.


 RIP Stephen

I wonder if anyone had tickets to see Boyzone.  ;)

Facebook has already turned into some sort of memorial page. I'm surprised the news has been contained to a single thread on here.

Sorry chaps didnt realise it was on here..put a thread up...either way its sad news.

Ace. I think he may have actually been on my real life list of people I want to be executed.

:D

Can i put Ronan Keating on next years list?

I haven't actually bothered to read/hear any proper news on this yet, I presume you aren't all making it up to fool me.

How did he die? Gay? Suicide? Drugs? Barrymored by Andy Peters?

He fell asleep and did not wake up. There has got to be something dodgy(doggy) about his death.

Could have choked....people do if they are hammered sometimes.

Not sure, no cause as yet.

It could be a bad day for irish music if the two twins (Thrush) get voted out of x-factor.....

scary. 33 years old, fell asleep and didn't wake up.

Bad Day?

Bad day for them,

Good day for us!

You're kidding right?

Not sure what you mean

Think he meant good day for us if the pretend singing twins were voted out.

Yes leefer.

Not a good day somebody died obviously

They are shocking...i could sing better than them..indeed i was yesterday in the Town End....the refereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees a wankerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......to be fair he did ok i thaught.

They're this year's entertainment. Think the Chico of 2009.

i agree, keep em in

Isnt Blanche of Corrie well poorly?

That is sad - shes my fav person in Corrie - I aspire to be like Blanche when Im an old lady

She's not real - its an actress don't you know.

Thats why I said I aspire to be like Blanche not the lady that plays her - Bum chops!  :nerner: :nerner:

But is she ill in the soap, or is the actress ill?  I'm confused.  If its the character who is ill, your sadness is a bit strange.  If its the actress that makes more sense. 

Its the actress dont worry Im not a total fruitloop

I see.


Up for debate...

I reckon you should change your name to Blanche of Corrie.

Why?

because being associated with Blanche is far better than being associated with Jamie Cureton.

Agreed.

tee hee! Meh I dont even think about why my name is what it is anymore

Its History - no point in regrets! ;)

I always assumed you meant Yeovil Red.

I can mean whatever you want it to mean! :)

In that case, I accept. See you at 19:30.

mwhhahahahaaa!!! cheeky sod!

Best Line Ive heard all week!

:D

If you read out 'jayoaitchenn' out loud, it will be like you're spelling out the individual letters in the name Jamie.

I think it's an omen.

If you read the word "read" out loud, do you say read or read? Or even reed? It's just so confusing.

Actor Edward Woodward has died.He was well known for the films The Wicker Man and
Breaker Morant.TV series included Callan and The Equaliser.

We always seem to be talking about a late equaliser on this site.

:D

Nice Nev

 :D

Good harvest then this year.

Did he have 3 wooden heads?

Ive only had one death!! and just over a month left!! this is NOT good!

Heres hoping Katie Price gets it in the jungle.

Ewar Woowar

Died of a vitamin D deficiency

She did last time.

Im not on about AIDS leefer.

Hopefully a crocodile chomps away or something

did anyone have blanche from corrie?

A couple of times, she was crap tho.

RIP (of course)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/6706953/Ex-Miss-Argentina-dies-after-operation-to-tone-buttocks.html

How Bizarre.

From the "Also being read" section, this gem:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6671018/Obese-air-passenger-in-economy-seat-has-picture-taken.html

who has won this then? we having a 2010 compo?

Yeah yeah...predictions in by end of play 2009


10 each...

I think yeovil has probably won, but I haven't been keeping track.

Don't PM me for next year.

Is there going to be a comp this season????

Cue 200 pm's ;)

Two months out in my prediction. Oh well

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8547228.stm

RIP Mr Foot

Anybody have the dodgy bloke off place in the sun....

Digby??

a bit late for 2009

Patrick Moore, a popular choice for 2009, has died aged 89.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20657939

RIP Gamesmaster.

What a lost treasure

Met him when I was a kid, he was a rude arrogant cunt.

My death prediction for 2013 - Piers Morgan

Shot by an AR-15 by a gunman with no sense of irony. It's a shoe in.

The Queen or Prince Philip

Bruce Forsythe or Prince Phillip is a good shout.

Reckon Maggie is a cert

Is there any truth in the rumour that the growth she had to have surgically removed was a conscience

No - she was born without one

Gerry Anderson, of Thunderbirds and Stingray fame, has died.

That was the point, she grew one & had to have it surgically removed

She did have an arsehole transplant but it rejected her.

Mind you, all the crap Maggie put into legislation which was vilified by Labour at the time - they repealed none of it when they got into power.

All hypocrites

George Bush snr is in intensive care. Could be a late year-early year casualty

nelson mandela will be a gonner in 2013.

Evens it will be 2012.

I'm not feeling too well

I'm sticking with Brucie.

Good Game, Good Game!

Brucie is immortal

Lower,Lower!

6 feet lower!

Hugh heffner looks shook

Has he started supporting Arsenal then?

Ahhhhh Ben I lived this game!! Bloody hell that I had winehouse down in 2009!!

Michael Winner dies, in uninteresting celebrity death news.

My banker had been Hugo Chavez but my new outside tip is Yellows Forum

Burt Reynolds in intensive care

http://news.sky.com/story/1043120/burt-reynolds-admitted-to-intensive-care (http://news.sky.com/story/1043120/burt-reynolds-admitted-to-intensive-care)

Pete doherty

Piers Morgan, bound to be shot by some nut from the NRA

Hes hoping

Abusing Piers Morgan on twitter just wouldn't be the same if he was dead.

David Oates, the Football and Rugby League commentator on 5Live, has died this afternoon.

I think this could be Gazza's year...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21311843

Think the only way of saving Gazza now would be to lock him up and throw away the Key. It's a shame because absolutely everybody knows its coming !

So does he and he doesn't fucking care.

It's tragic.

Muhammad Ali in hospital, his brother said he could be gone soon. A true Legend.

The thing that fucking annoys me is that there were 500 people in that audience who saw what he was like on stage and were laughing at him. His agent should have taken him away, but no, the agent darren just fucking sits there

RIP Reg Presley used to see him in Old Town a bit when I lived in Swindon, nice bloke even though he went a bit mad in his alien searches around Avebury where he lived for many years.

Ah, The Troggs brings back memories.

RIP Reg

RIP Reg

Bloody hell, reading this scrolling up from the bottom i though you ment our Reg

He's immortal surely !!?? or was that immoral ?

I always got Kenny Ball and Kenny Baker muddled up.

For the record, Kenny Ball was the one who didn't play cornet for the soundtrack to The Beiderbeck Trilogy.

Disappointing to see Tony Gubba died today after a short illness, a very good football commentator.

Just for a minute I imagined you struggling to tell the difference between a trad jazz trumpeter and band leader and the little fellah out of the Time Bandits.

I now have a mental picture of R2D2 playing the cornet.

Am I the only one disappointed the TEF didn't predict these?

Indeed. Much better than Motson, Up there with Brian Moore (who's head looked uncannily like London Planetarium). Also immortalised by HMHB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZOXhxnes-4

Uncle Monty has died :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21973505

Storm Thorgerson (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22210378)

[url width=500 height=500]http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/40625357/Wish+You+Were+Here.png[/url]

Tony Grealish the ex Orient, Brighton, Luton and Eire midfielder aged 56 died of cancer, always played well against us back in the 70's and 80's a proper tenacious tackler.

No wonder he's dead.  He's on fire in that picture

(This is a joke.  I do know who Storm is as he just did the biffy album artwork)

I was unaware of this, but having just gone to have a look it is certainly very recognisable as a Storm Thorgerson - which goes to show how well developed his style is/was I suppose.

Good player...sad news,little bearded growler of a player.

Did you really just use the phrase "bearded growler" without any pun intended?

Yes :D

Example the musician is the nephew of Tony Grealish.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22680499

Bill Pertwee from Dad's Army now gone. I think that only leaves the vicar and Mrs Fox alive now....

Isn't private Pike (Ian Lavender) still in the land of the living?

Don't tell him, Bedford Red!

So he is, i had forgotten about him. That's good then, 3 still survive!

We didn't have Dr Chang then did we

RIP Iain Banks. Decent bloke.

And a damn good writer too RIP

Iain Banks will be sadly missed (by me anyway). My favourite author. Great writer and a top bloke...

Definitely in my top 5 too. Will have to re-read the Culture novels and the Wasp Factory in his memory.

I've got used to there being a new Banks novel each year since I was about 17/18. I'm going to miss them.

Tony Soprano!  Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22980414

Celebrity deaths never bother me but this guy played the greatest character ever seen on a TV screen.

I'm absolutely gutted

"At the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything just goes black."

RIP.

Time to watch the Sopranos I think.

im getting through it at an average of 4 a day. Why I let this superb programme pass me by when it was running I don't know

Same as that, arriba. Just started series 4, it's great

One of the best shows to have ever been on TV.

That's where i am.
Agree. Actually,thinking about it watching the lot in one go isn't a bad thing as it does keep me up with it with no breaks in time

RIP Mick Aston of Time Team fame :(

Just seen this elsewhere....very sad news. Any man with a taste for stripey jumpers and bad hair is OK by me. The really sad bit, is that Mick had a falling out with TT, a couple of series back...I'd kind of hoped to see some kissing and making up.

A seriously great educator, who will be missed.

TT has been axed Reg, Mick missed the last season because he thought they taken too much of archaeological "just come out the ground" content out of it. And he was right.

I know...had hoped though that there might have been something like the recent Julian Richards' effort...where he revisited some MtA digs, 15 or so years later, to see how thinking had changed in the following years.

There must be plenty of potential for updating TT sites.

Agreed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23125488

RIP Jim Kelly, the dude with the 'fro from Enter The Dragon.

RIP Bernie Nolan, she suffered a long time with cancer and it finally got her 2 years after she was given the all clear, she was only 52.

RIP Mel Smith.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23390982#TWEET828287

I loved Not the nine o'clock news as a kid.

I did too ( though not as a kid ).Quite shocked by that.

Really saddened by Mel Smith's early death.  RIP.

I loved Not the Nine o' clock news when i was growing up as well, and watched a lot of the Alas Smith and Jones series. Didn't realise he was 60, but still far too young an age to go

Damn, RIP Mel Smith. Didn't seem well on Celeb Mastermind to me though this could be unrelated.

Addicted to painkillers for years according to the news. Used to take 50 a day. Not going to help anyway that. RIP Mel.

Alas Smith and Jones was brilliant.

Lou Reed's just popped his clogs.

Andy Kaufman? Alive or dead?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24939133 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24939133)

Still dead, to answer my own question.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/14/showbiz/andy-kaufman-alive-or-not/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/14/showbiz/andy-kaufman-alive-or-not/)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25476668

Amazed nobody else has posted this, sad news about David Coleman yesterday. Nice to see tributes on MOTD last night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013

Bigger killstreak than Hitler and Stalin put together. Good riddance.

Your logic is quite breathtaking.

Former Palace chairman Ron Noades has died of Cancer today.

So you put inventor before user?

Well he created it so he is indirectly responsible for every death at the hands of an AK.

I wish we knew who that murderous bastard was who invented the knife, they have a lot to answer for as well...

Would have been some caveman with a bit of flint I'd imagine, but that's totally different as it would have been used as a tool too.

450k :girlgiggle:

 ???

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/original-wayne-rooney-wayne-harrison-6447491

Sad news.

Remember him being the next big thing when moving to Liverpool for a wad of money.

RIP Uncle Phil

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25572065

 :(

Aw man, 2014 sucks balls already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25709371

Going back to people having a go at me about Kalashnikov ultimately being responsible for every death at the hands of an AK. Have a read.

'Old bloke in hedging his bets shock'. The person who pulls the trigger is to blame, not the inventor.

RIP Trigger.

http://news.sky.com/story/1196137/trigger-of-only-fools-and-horses-has-died

:(

"Watcha Dave"   :(

RIP Trigger.

Hope he's buried with his broom.

RIP Trig

RIP Trigger

Crap that's genuinely shocked me.

No!!!!

RIP, Trig.

Sad News

"If it's a boy they're naming it Rodney, after Dave"  ;D

Roadsweeper, Farmer (Vicar of Dibley) Ministry of Magic (Barty Crouch in Harry Potter). Greta bloke and a joy to watch.

That's horrible news, I saw him only last year in Twelfth Night with Stephen Fry. RIP

Roger Lloyd-Pack made Trigger his own with fantastic comic timing. As important as David Jason in Only Fools and had a fine career and was much loved. RIP.

 :(

And Jake Klinger in 2poin4 Children. The Portmeirion 'prisoner' episode was great.

:D


RIP Trigger

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25772192

Interesting fellow. His book is well worth a read.

What happened to that old poster Pericarp? He was nicknamed Trig for being a bit slow.

I don't think he's died if that's what you're getting at.

No but are you sure?

He went to a game with otanswell the season before last and hasn't been seen since!

Pericarp was actually very smart.  Just didn't always come across that way.

Wasn't he a maths genuis, or something like that?

I think he was, yes.

His disappearance from the TEF ties in with him starting uni, he obviously got a bit of a life rather than being stuck in his school dorm the whole time.

Maths it's maths!!

well I'm not gonna say it..

Oops. That was a typo, Americans calling it math is actually a pet peeve of mine.

Fixed accordingly.

Pericarp probably is a maths genius, in a Mercury Rising autistic type way.

He has a beautiful mind

Getting back to predictions... I reckon Justin Bieber will kill himself within the next couple of years or so, intentionally or otherwise.

I said exactly the same thing to my wife a couple of days ago, I think he will overdose or die in an accident from drunk driving possibly.

Or even suicide. He may well do a Brittany spears and lose the plot, his feet aren't exactly firmly grounded.

I said the same about Harry Styles from One Direction.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878?mod=WSJ_NY_LEFTTopStories

Tony Hateley the ex Villa, Chelsea and Liverpool striker and father of Mark the ex England striker died today.

Philip Seymour Hoffman reported dead at 46!

Absolute brilliant actor, had his issues over the years though.

I've just finished watching the running games film with him in it. The movie ends and the first thing I learn is that he's a gonner.

Maybe I cursed him. I might watch a Nicholas Cage movie next.

As long as its not gone in 60'seconds

I'm a big fan of Philip Seymour Hoffman's work. His Paul Thomas Anderson collaborations were particularly brilliant. Then you've got Lebowski, Capote, Moneyball and his small yet great role as Lester Bangs in Almost Famous.

He also did some greatly depressing stuff like 'Happiness' and 'Synecdoche, New York'.

Ultimately, Hoffman did a great job making amends for appearing in Twister! Farewell.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/NTPRKbTl6pUZy/giphy.gif)

Brilliant actor.  All the more shocking, somehow, because he had the looks & gravitas of someone a fair bit older than 46 years old.  I was genuinely surprised to hear he was so young.  That's no age at all.  Very sad.

Brilliant actor and a sad loss.

Was he the 'wacky' one in twister?

He was a loose cannon, man.

Luckily, I doubt his legacy will be the 'wacky one in Twister'.

I genuinely don't think I have seen a film with this fella in it.

I suspect I am in the minority!

Rapid education for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXAeLWn5AYQ&feature=youtu.be

He was good in along came Polly, with Ben Stiller & Jennifer Anniston.

He was fucking ace as Gust Avrakotos in Charlie Wilsons War

"Yeah, well I'd like to take a moment to review the several ways in which you're a douche bag?"

Nope me neither.

Great in Magnolia as well. Outstanding actor and very sorry to hear the terrible news this morning

He's never done any mucky films...

You mean like Ghostbusters?

Well mucky film, one bird was covered in ectoplasm.

Shaktar Donetsk striker Maicon killed in a car accident today.

Devo guitarist Bob Casale died today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJT_MKA3i04

Looks like ghostbusters writer and star Harold 'Egon' Ramis has died :(

National Lampoon's Vacation, Caddyshack, Stripes, Groundhog Day...

More than just Egon.

:(

Yes, very true. Loads of great comedy.

RIP Egon.

RIP Egon

Just noticed that Ghostbusters is 30 years old this year.That makes me feel old.

And he co-wrote both Stripes and Ghostbusters.

 :(  RIP Egon. Loved that film, saw it as a 14 year old at the cinema. Good characters, complimented by the right actors for the roles.

Are we not men? We are Devo!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26394100


Isn't that a bit like an 'accidental' death from playing with loaded weapons?

Yep, that'll do it.

"Oh no, I appear to have slipped onto these needles and whilst crying out in surprise swallowed all these pills that I left lying around, silly me. I am a klutz!"

I presume the 'accidental' part is basically saying 'this wasn't suicide, he was just greedy.'

Bad week for the old school socialists of London.  First Bob Crow, and now Tony Benn.  I would imagine Ken Livingstone is absolutely shitting it right now.

This'll make Levi & Reg choke on their Hovis. I actually admired the bloke, didn't agree with his political leanings but a man of conviction who it appeared never waivered from his beliefs.

Still, the tobacco industries loss is the champagne industries gain.

Tony Benn was a great man. Had alot of time for what he had to say.

I can see Ken Livingstone living to a ripe old age and pissing people off for years to come.

RIP Tony Benn

I listened to a speech by Tony in the summer....it was clear he didn't have too long left, but still made the effort, this country is a lot worse off now for his passing.

Ideas though live on...I can thoroughly recommend his book....Arguments for Democracy

This is sad news. Read his autobiography a while back and, while not agreeing much with his views, at least he didn't waiver with public opinion.

A conviction politician

What, he spent time in prison?

a rarity-a politician who always told the truth

Sad to hear the news of Tony Benn's passing. Like others I didn't agree with all he had to say, but he was a 'proper' politician who stood for what he felt was right. To think we have to put up with Mps like Justin Tomlinson these days. Says it all really.

I do agree that Tony Benn was a conviction politician.  But I also feel that, ironically, those convictions played a part in making his party unelectable for the best part of a generation.  The electorate resoundingly rejected the left-wing agenda he & Michael Foot (among others) were pushing in the late 1970s/early 1980s.  All very noble, & I don't want to denigrate it necessarily.  It's just that there are many out there who hold him responsible for keeping Labour out of office for so long and cementing Thatcher's hold on the electoral centre ground in her early years.

I would have thought Michael Foot made Labour unelectable on his own.

That donkey jacket he wore at the Remembrance Day was a defining moment.

Always thought is strange that Labour has never found their equivalent of Thatcher - Tony Benn was probably the closest.

I thought it interesting that Cameron's remarks on his passing made no mention of Benn as a politician whatsoever.

Nevertheless 8.5 million people voted for such measures as the abandoning of Trident, and removal of all US bases from the UK...good to have the option even if unsuccessful....you can't complain about politicians doing what they believe to be right, then complain that they should alter their policies to be electable.

In the 83 election the votes cast for Labour + SDP/Libs...outweighed those cast for Thatcher.

Was the alternative any better?
Were the Tory years worth it? A big fucking no from me.
Socialism is the right way. It's just that everyone is too selfish and greedy for it to happen. Maybe one day humans will come to their senses though. Unlikely in my lifetime I think.

History looks very unkindly on Michael Foot mainly because of the way he looked. he was a fantastic speaker and a tremendous intellect although he was a massive Argyle fan. He was never a leader though.

Aside from the speaker and Plymouth bits, you've just described Miliband.

He was also a coward (contientious objector) and refused to fight for his country during WW2 and was interned.

I don't think a conscientious objector can automatically be labelled as a coward. There are many reasons people refused to fight, not just self preservation.

Fucking coward, end of.

I don't think you're getting the 'conscientious objector' part of conscientious objector, are you?

History and evidence proves you wrong there Arriba. None of the 'isms' has ever worked - socialism, communism, fascism. They are all simply immoral wealth redistribution systems.


It is basic human nature to maximise your own resources. It is the way we are wired and it is why none of the above ever work because the minority of sociopaths who inevitably gravitate to power do so to the detriment of the rest of the population. Hence why we need an environment where achieving as much as you can is possible without using force against others.

I disagree that "everyone is too selfish and greedy" though. For example - do you care about the poor, the sick and the old? You would say yes, as the overwhelming majority would. So would you help them if they needed it? If you said yes then you are staying with your moral principles. If no, then you obviously don't care about them. So in the absence of socialism, or a government, or a state, or any of the other faulty constructs, those people would be looked after. No socialism required  ;D

Good on him.

I'm assuming you think the same of Muhammad Ali then?

"End of." like "FACT." at the end of a post are the written equivalent of humming loudly while clapping your hands over your ears. Like saying, don't even offer me an alternative point of view. Pathetic.

Do you include capitalism on your list? Or pragmatism? The suffix -ism just means a system or ideology.

Jesus TEF, up your game. Thisis poor.

Lesbianism is my favourite

Indeed...our most famous player ever(Fleming) would not have taken up arms i am led to believe,wouldn't even play footy on a Sunday so strong was his christian beliefs.

I think he was a PE teacher during WW1.

What a totally crass and ill thought out statement.

Yes a sweeping generalistic comment based upon an illeducated attitude to peoples reasons behind their own views.

Jeez fats, you come out with some shit to me when trying to book a room,  take a bow,  you've surpassed yourself

Thank you 4D. Like I said, Fucking Coward.

Have you ever wandered around any of the war cemetaries in France?

Shock, horror, Reg, Tory Boy UKIP supporter has been to to France and enjoyed it.  :D

So, Muhammed Ali coward or not?

For someone to endure abuse, ridicule ,scorn and even worse for their beliefs does not suggest cowardice to me

Exactly.

There are many people that are not looked after imo currently

ASSUME = making and ass (though i prefer the term arse) out of u and me.

No, not at all. The Americans were not facing iminent in vasion from another country. We were...... :doh:

Yes, I include state capitalism in that list. That's the one where the powers that be are funded by the people with money who want to keep it. It includes the Conservative party. Funnily enough it also encompasses the traditional Labour party, funded by the unions. All as bad as each other. Time to think outside the box and move beyond cronyism. Yes, that's another 'ism' for you  ;)

Pragmatism as far as I know has never had a look in anywhere.

Who are they, Arriba?

The homeless, the poor, people who have to wait months for medical procedures because they cannot afford to go private, those who rely on charities to get by.

The 'Victims of market forces' according to Mr Benn.

Coward? In wartime, cowards run and hide. Conciencious Objectors stand up and say "No, I will not fight" and take serious shit for it.

To be a Conciencious Objector takes courage.

(The opinion of someone who did 6 years as an infantryman).

One of the Two fat ladies has died, Clarissa Dickson Wright aged 66, i never really got into them but my mum loved watching them.

Ah well, she'll soon be a bit less fat

Fred Phelps is dead.

If there was such a thing as hell, I wish he'd fucking burn in it. Good riddance to the evil cunt.

 :yay:

Who is fred phelps?

Leader of the Westboro Baptist Church

Have you heard of the Westboro Baptist church?

An evil bunch of fuckers. Christian extremists that would do things like picket the funerals of dead soldiers claiming that god did it because of fags (They're American).

Fred Phelps was their 'Pastor'.

Louis Theroux did a documentary on them:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtfgxo_the-most-hated-family-in-america_shortfilms

I hope hundreds of people picket his funeral the hateful arsehole.

Nope never crossed my path before.

Whilst pointing and laughing as he is buried. Fucking horrible cunt, surprised no one tried to him over

I tweeted his Son:

@WBCFredJr Your dad is dead. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

 ;D

Get on it.

Haha

Just tweeted him saying the reason his father passed was because he was gay soapy tit wank

First one i saw.

@darth_raper: @WBCFredJr can i sodomize you

Not all bad tho'. He represented African-American clients in civil rights cases. Phelps received a law degree from Washburn University and opened his own law firm, called Phelps Chartered. He took on racial discrimination cases, and represented two female professors in a gender discrimination case. He received awards from the NAACP, and made up a third of Kansas’s docket for civil rights cases.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/fred-phelps-westboro-baptist-church-104745.html#ixzz2wXHDEkrq

But did Phelps make the trains run on time?

No offence lads, but you making a point at almost enjoying his death puts you in a similar place to them enjoying the death of others. Never get that kind of mentality.

No skin off my nose, but can't agree with it.

Almost? Did you read Flashheart's tweet...

Shouldn't celebrate anyone's death.

From Twitter

'I'm going to protest WBC founder Fred Phelps' funeral by attending and behaving in a dignified, respectful manner.' Russell Brand.

Spot on.

That would depend, Jan, on whether you believe someone deserves a taste of their own medicine, or whether you should appeal to some sort of decency within them by showing them you won't be moved to anger.  In the end I don't think it matters which, neither will help because despite what Gandhi believed, some people have no decency.

Also, I know no one has articulated this here, but I hate the idea that you shouldn't speak ill of the dead, as if death absolves you of all blame for the actions of your life.

I'm going to have to watch Stewart Lee make up things that Russell Brand has said, to make me feel better.

Sorry Jan, but that is nonsense.

Phelps was nothing but pure evil who hurt other people that had never done a thing wrong to him. Picketing the funerals of dead soldiers and telling the parents it's their fault, it's difficult to think of much worse.

The world is better off without people like him. I don't mean to say that as a sound-byte people often say when somebody dies: I mean the world is literally better off without the likes of him in it and I am, literally, pleased that he is no longer on this planet because the alternative is that he is still on the planet spreading his hatred.

It's just unfortunate that he has left behind a legacy.

And very good on Russell Brand but why is he attending the funeral at all?

I think that may be a throwback from times where people were more religious/superstitious but I agree, why should death mean we can say no bad about a person? They're dead, what difference does it make what we say?

Of course there is feelings of the deceased's family to take into consideration, but not in this instance.

I think this clip says it all really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieioDh_NrXE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieioDh_NrXE)

There is a touch of hypocrisy creeping into this thread.

How so?

Wasn't the original grumble about disrespecting the dead?

You've completely missed the point.

Do you think picketing the funeral of a soldier and saying good riddance to Fred Phelps are comparable?

That's not the point being made.  Yes he was an evil hate-filled man and I'd agree that the world is better off without him, but tweeting his family to taunt them over his death is showing the same mindless hatred that characterised his sad little life.  Do that and we end up in a lynch-mob world where we decide that we are entitled to treat people as badly as they try to treat us.  Effectively that it's ok to torture a torturer.  By replicating their actions (in the name of moral outrage, common decency etc etc) you legitimise their actions.

I saw the Louis Theroux program and it did anger me.

The fallen soldiers and their families are, as far as we know, innocent.

Fred Phelps' son is not. Fuck him.

Eeeuurrgggghhh, no thanks. Each to their own and all that ....

Anyway... the Westboro Baptist Church preach that every single thing, including death, is an act of god and should therefore be rejoiced.

I wonder if they are rejoicing now.

Apparently Pastor fred was excomunicated by his church........

Isn't that the entire point, for want of a better expression giving a taste of his own medicine. Fuck 'rising above it'.

I've not actually checked the son was involved, but equally I've not tweeted him. yet.

Agreed, not for one minute am I backing up a single thing the stupid prick said during his life. But, personally, I couldn't bring myself to take the piss out of someone who's just lost their dad. You can't choose your relatives and this fuckers son had no chance in life.

I don't mind speaking ill of the dead, just find a time of passing not the time to lower yourself to the 'standards' not set by others. I prefer some dignity.

Come off it, Fred Phelps' son didn't stand any chance of turning out in any other way. Imagine having a father like that. I'm no airy fairy liberal, but that lad had a zero percent chance of being 'normal'. Brainwashed from an early age, I actually pity the lad. No shit.

george takei facebooked this comment:
Today, Mr. Phelps may have learned that God, in fact, hates no one. Vicious and hate-filled as he was, may his soul find the kind of peace through death that was so plainly elusive during his life.

Amen brother George.

Some of the family did leave...

Nate Phelps, for example, left and is now an atheist which shoots down the suggestion that Fred Jr had no chance of being 'normal'.

I don't mean to be too belligerent though because I agree that the indoctrination will certainly play a huge factor in how somebody turns out. Regardless of whether or not Fred Phelps Jr was indoctrinated or not though there is still no escaping the fact that he grew up to be a right horrible cunt.

Don't disagree with him being an 'orrible cant, but it depends on the character's strength whether they could stand up to their dad like that. Fair play to the other son effing off.

Stick em all in Waco and have another siege

Ian Watkins has topped himself then. Never saw that one coming.

Has he?

I reckon its just a twitter rumour.

Great if true though

http://www.chronicle.su/obituaries/ian-watkins-dead-at-36

that's the only source I can find actually. No fucking idea what the internet chronicle is. Perhaps I have fallen for a cheeky jape?

The same website is claiming today that John Cena has topped himself by drinking a litre of bleach.

If we needed confirmation that Flasheart is a moron...

In my defence I saw it first on twitter, always a reliable source  ;)

I don't know who John Cena is.

The Marine film

According to Sky news Peaches Geldoff has been found dead in her flat.
http://news.sky.com/ (http://news.sky.com/)

just seen this :eek:

Drugs

And there's me thinking it was old age.

25 is quite old

One more vapid, useless person gone from the world. Boo hoo.

She didnt like Mondays either then

Wow

Tell that to her kids

Was it OK to call her vapid and useless before she died?

Just seems a pretty callous and inhumane to say about the mother of two young kids who died only a few hours ago

Or maybe I'm being a soft cunt

What do you think?

From my limited knowledge of her, yes!

Nice to know there's more than one heartless fucker on here

Bloody hell. have you never held a negative opinion of somebody yourself?

Not someone I know next to nothing about and has left 2 young kids without a mother for the rest of their lives.

Seems the way of things nowadays, though

I think you need to re-read my question.....

Was it OK to call her vapid and useless BEFORE she died?

Again, I know nothing about her. Neither do you.

Surely it's better to form opinions on something you know for yourself

So you never hold a negative opinion of stars or celebs etc that you don't know then? Let's say Katie Hopkins, for example?

I don't think death is seen as a boundary by Fh. Correct me if I misread it.

I don't see why one's opinion of a person should change just because they die.

I don't really hold much of an opinion of Peaches Geldoff really. I've only seen bits and bobs about her on the internet and whatever. The whole "She's dead, you can't say that now" thing doesn;t make sense to me.

Jesse Winchester was reported as dead earlier but is apparently only "gravely ill". I'm not a massive fan but I discovered him through The Wire and 'Let The Rough Side Drag' is a cracking album...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvyKqtWGCc4

I just think it's about having a bit of respect. We all have people in the celebrity circles who we might be irritated by, never met them,  never directly affected us. If someone fits into that criteria for you personally why would you feel the need to slate them, especially when they are no longer around to respond?  If you're happy to keep slating people who have died then you're certainly entitled to your opinion,  I personally think it's something that isn't necessary to share on a forum. (but that's my opinion)

* this isn't directed at you BTW Flashheart

This has to be the best post in ages.

Yes its about respect, I don't think its going to cause too much of an issue posting opinion on the TEF, but in my opinion it would be bad form  to post on say Twitter which is much more an open shop in terms of who can see it.

Then just what do you base your opinion of her as being vapid and useless on?

As for Kate Hopkins, I don't even know who she is.

Bang on Batch.

If i thought for one minute that Peaches' family or friends would visit the TEF then I would not consider saying a bad word and may even have edited/deleted Honkytonk's post.

As it stands though stating such an opinion on the TEF doesn't make the slightest difference. There is no need whatsoever for anybody to get upset.

Not much. I could well be wrong.

Why does it matter?

If it doesn't matter, which it doesn't, why bother posting it?

Just seems a tasteless comment, that's all - whether any family or friends are likely to read it or not.

It was posted because this is a forum where people post their opinions and what not and the opinion stated is relevant to the thread. It's a thread about dead people.

I was actually asking you why it mattered to you so much? Posting such an opinion on this particular forum won't make the slightest bit of difference to anybody. Not even a little bit. So why get bothered by it?

OK. Each to their own.

Let's move on

Mickey Rooney died today, film industry mainstay since the mid-1920's... and the last of the major players from It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

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...and I don't think his role in Breakfast at Tiffany's would be... embraced in 2014.

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So long.

Jeez, thought he was already long gone!

You aint soft...others are as thick as shit,unless its there family or it directly affects them they dont give a shit.
Now i may not know any of your family members...does that give me the right to take the piss if they died??/

Course it dosn't....bollocks about them reading the forum etc dont and shouldnt come into it.

Totally agree leefer. To have such disregard for someone so young dying is just callous. She has done nothing to offend or incense. Its as if its ok to take the piss simply because she is a famous figure.

Who's taking the piss? Has anybody said they find it funny?

Honkeytonk

I don't think he found it funny that she died.

But then I'm sure he can speak for himself (cough).......

did I say he found it funny?

So then what are you objecting about? How is/was he taking the piss?

I don't want to get into a personal argument with anybody by the way. I'm just curious as to why people think that we should tip-toe around the subject of somebody's personality because they have died.

This, famous for being famous. Couldn't care less.

Humanity is on a sharp decline  ::)

By claiming she is vapid and useless along with ending the statement with boo hoo. Saying that about someone who has not only just died but of someone they don't know is quite frankly in my book, taking the piss.
I'm sure you'll disagree though wont you Flashheart?

Oh the Irony

Why does the fact that she's only just died make any difference?

Would it be OK to say in a couple of weeks? Months? Years?

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I am a conscientous human being. I didn't find it funny that Peaches Geldof died. Nor do I revel in her death or have contempt for her family members at what must be a massively difficult time for them.

Clear? Ok.

I just find it a little appalling that when someone related to a famous person, whose only (real) claim to fame was being related to that famous person, and therefore being someone who the media loves, a 'hollow' celebrity whose life is based around appearing in celebrity magazines, the media paw over it like jackals at a feast, and will doubtless continue to paw over it for as long as humanly possible, seeking out any kind of excuse to fill some air time with anything about the poor dead girl.

They don't care about who she was or what her family are going through. All they care about is using her shell of a media persona to sell stuff. And that's what they'll do, mark my words. Whether she asked for it or not. And that's what my comments were targeted at. Poorly, I'll admit, as I'd just come in from a 12hr shift at work, but that's where I was going with it.

As a related aside, if someone who has actually contributed to the betterment of life on this planet dies, they're doing well if the media reports it as front-page news, let alone actually takes a moment to remember them for their accomplishments.

Thanks Flashheart for defending me. You're a sweetheart. xxx

Personally, I tend to just think, oh that's sad.  I really don't think anyone has any need to see my thoughts through the wonders of social media.  Sometimes its just better to not share.  People seem to have lost the ability to shut the fuck up and consider things quietly without spewing it out on computers.

 

Absolutely.

It just lacks class really, doesn't it? From all sides

Can't deny that.

Although it is tucked away in a tiny corner where a scant few are likely to come across it.

I concur.

I think the most annoying thing I've seen regarding her death is the surge of 'My friends nans died and no one cared why the fuck should I care about Peaches'.

I wish people would just shut the fuck up sometimes.

Different celebrities affect people in different ways,

Personally I only know her as the child of Bob Geldof and Paula Yates and to me she meant nothing in my life. To others, perhaps she did in a positive way and her death will affect them.

When say Don Rogers passes away, this forum will be full of messages and heartache, but to others, say, not interested in football will be thinking, why are these people bothered, he only kicked a football about.

Not sure if what I am trying to say comes across properly.  :badmood:

Its tragic for her family and heart breaking that her kids will have to grow up without their mother.

But this is getting silly now....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26933626

Martin McGuinness - BBC have a word with yourselves....

Two young children are going to grow up without their mother who has died at 25, and will right now be in unimaginable distress. It's very very sad, and if people don't care about that they have lost some of their humanity. I'm glad I don't know you.

I think people react far more to the media's hyperbole than they do to the actual event. Any death is sad, and one so young is undeniably tragic.  But there's an element of mawkish, Diana-esque grief that I think is what rubs people up the wrong way. Keeping your mouth shut is almost certainly the best option, but I don't think people should be considered callous for making remarks that speak more about the culture of celebrity than the obvious tragedy of children being left without a mother.   

The reaction to Peaches death is hardly Diana-esque ffs.

That's kind of what I meant by "there's an element of..". I wasn't suggesting the two were identical.

Anyway, I haven't made any disparaging remarks towards her and nor do I intend to. It's obviously a very sad situation. I'm just saying I don't think it's fair to accuse people of being heartless etc for making flippant remarks on a forum.

The ultimate warrior is dead. He was my favourite.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If i don't care that someone I've never met has died I've lost some humanity?! Grow up mate.

Has someone called the undertaker  :hmmm:

If you don't care that two little kids are suffering then yes there is something wrong with you, you are probably somewhere on the autistic spectrum.

How can you joke about someones death like that? He had two children!

 :)

I think someone should start a social network that's a bit like the obituary pages of a newspaper. It could announce all the deaths each day all over the world with a short write up and everyone can grieve together.

It could have petitions and polls and stuff where people can effectively tell everyone just how tragic all this dying is, or how we should declare a national holiday, pay into a specific charity and find ways so it doesn't happen again. They could also have grief pages dedicated to someone like an online funeral.

Instead of a like button, it could have a "sadness" button. People can then click about how sad they are, instead of having to type, and they can then spread their grief far more quickly and effectively. They could share deaths with fellow grievers and the homepage could rank various deaths by sadness rank and shares.

It could also show grievers "other deaths you might be interested in showing sadness about" and these can then grow grief virally allowing a justified amount of sadness to be shown. 

Maybe the sadness button could be added on websites, then people can press to show they're grieving about whatever it is being talked about. This could then allow more sad content to be shared and then we won't miss any suffering and tragedy.

I think I'm on to something here. :sherlock:

Not in the slightest, I've checked. Grief tourism is fucking embarrassing. Guess what, I don't give a flying fuck about kids in Africa either. WHAT A MONSTER

All I can say is how it affects me, which is not in the slightest. I can understand the sadness those who knew her are feeling,  but I haven't spent any time mourning her passing, or anyone else's passing that I either didn't know or never touched my life. That's not being callous or cold hearted. That's being honest.
I haven't got the time, or emotional capacity to care about everyone.

With regard to her kids.....

Seeing young children lose their mother doesn't exactly fill me with joy. They'll still live a far more privileged life than the vast majority of other kids on the planet though.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN..... Nah!

I get that people go over the top when people they don't know die, Diana etc, all I am saying is to be ambiguous about toddlers suffering after losing their mum means you have been de-sensitised to the reality, if you really genuinely don't care then you are without doubt an evil cunt who should be killed (unless you have kids of course)

I never met Neville but I cared that he died, I never met peaches geldoff but I feel for her family, it's not keeping me up at night

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that that was tongue in cheek!?

Only just came back for WrestleMania, was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame Saturday night and gave his return speech on Raw Monday night.

So because I don't care about some random stranger suffering, I should suffer. Top logic. Well done.

So how do you feel about, say, British troops getting killed in Afgahistan.

Don't give a shit?

I don't give a fuck what anyone who never knew me feels when I snuff it. I'd like to think those who knew me might at least raise a glass. Anyone else can fuck right off.

Our troops died doing their duty (and their job), good on them. We should be very grateful for what they have done. I hope that their families' grief is as short lived as possible and then they carry on with their lives as soon as possible. If I could prevent it then I would..... but I can't.

I feel the same way about the Geldoff family. Albeit without any notion that the family might suffer any additional suffering caused by stress from financial pressures and what not.

Other than that if somebody wants to say that Corporal John Doe was a bit of a fucktard than that's their opinion and, provided that they don't torment the deceased's loved ones with that opinion, then they are free to express it. I don't know corporal John Doe. Was Cpl John Doe a good person just because he was a soldier? Are all soldiers good people?

Why do you single out British troops?

What about the deaths of other coalition troops, the deaths of young Taliban soldiers that have been taken advantage of and all of the innocent civilians that have lost their lives?

You heartless bastard. How callous can you be?

What it boils down to is I don't understand the motivation for somebody to say on a forum that someone who has just died is 'vapid and useless'.

Why bother saying it at all?

My opinion of you is based purely on what you post on here.

You may actually be a very nice person!   :D

He's not, but I kinda like his posts.

He's one of the "don't care" supporters and I think he acts a bit tough.

We are all imperfect but I happen to think recent death is precisely the time to see humour or distinctiveness or shared frailty in deceased persons rather than to be dismissive or ranty and negative.

Where I would agree with the "don't carers"  is that ersatz emotions of grief being genuinely experienced by proxy in respect of celebrities can become a little odd.

Harmless enough, I suppose, in that we all do it.  Although I control it these days, STFC is still capable of producing mood swings that have little relationship with real life and baffle even my family.

Still, for those unknown parents who have also lost a child in their twenties last week, their sense of grief must be cheapened somewhat by the fact that what appears like half the country is also apparently sharing the same sense of loss that they are.

Emotion by proxy at the County Ground or from a piece of music, yes but grief for a celebrity?  Respect, yes, empathy for the bereaved, yes but grief?  Get a grip.

There's not necessarily a motivation is there? This a thread about dead people after all.

There are many tossers in the world. Take Piers Morgan, for example. I think that bloke is an odious cunt and should his name spring up I may well express that opinion. It doesn't mean that there's an underlying motive for saying it, I just think he's a cunt.

I suspect that most here will share a similar opinion of him. Are they bad people for saying it now while he is still living? Will they be worse people for saying it when he is dead?

I'd say it now but I wouldn't say it after he'd just died

How about just shutting the fuck up and keeping thoughts to yourself unless you have something interesting to say.  Most people have very little to say about celebrity deaths. Point them out by all means but surely take 2 minutes before spouting shit.

Fuck it maybe I'm just to grumpy. I'm increasingly coming round to the opinion that we should just turn of the Internet and media for a week to allow people to remember what it is to think for yourself not pedal some bullshit  viewpoint and maybe to remember that what you feel you have to shout out about via social media is really not enlightening, entertaining or important.

Btw I'm not having a go at any one in particular on this, as I say I'm just grumpy. And perversely feel that I have to blather on about it on the internet thereby negating everything I've just said.

Sax.

This is a thread about celebrity deaths mate, what else did you expect?. And some people are finding the topic interesting otherwise they would not be contributing.

xox

I do regret posting what I did but this is quite a good debate.

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I did say I'm probably just grumpy.

I liked the concluding observation about negating everything you'd just said :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

TEF Threads - Bloody Hell!

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Did I know him/her? No. Same answer.

You can think grief tourism is embarrassing (I really can't stand it, and some on this board has been guilty of it on occasions) whilst also thinking that crowing about a young womens death because she was 'vapid' is also distasteful.

The two aren't mutually exclusive, the world isn't just divided into those who want to publically emote about every single tragedy and those who think it's hilarious to troll the former.

There are some of us in the middle, opposed to both, I used to think we were the majority, but I'm starting to wonder recently.

Maybe it's just me, but surely compassion for others is what humanity is.

Only being concerned about your own immediate family and friends must be the complete definition of selfishness.

Have you not noticed the increasing level of selfishness?  :sherlock:

What a load of sanctimonious bollocks.

Go read the thread again. I have not posted a single negative comment.

Well done for not knowing what SELFish means.

Wasn't saying you had, was simply pointing out that those who objected to people who had, weren't necessarily 'grief tourists' or the type who love to 'RIP' every single death.

It's sanctimonious bollocks not to think that the death of a stranger is a) an excuse to endlessly emote on the internet or b) an opportunity to show how 'edgy' you are online?

I'd say it's just called being normal

Calling people callous, heartless and selfish because they are indifferent toward the death of complete strangers = bollocks.

Acting as though one has moral superiority = sanctimonious.

ergo: What a load of sanctimonious bollocks.

I could also add hypocritical. Somebody on this thread has stated that the indifferent should be killed, which seems to have been ignored.

Therefore it is a load of sanctimonious, hypocritical bollocks.

Endlessly emote? I think you've just added to the bollocks factor!

Indifferent is an interesting choice of word, would apply inaction. Surely a  'indifferent' person wouldn't feel the need to actively go on a forum and write about negatively about the person who'd just died?

This

Somebody made a comment on a discussion form that they were no doubt already logged into anyway.. It must have taken all but a few seconds to do so. So fucking what?

"Actively go on a forum"? Do you think HT heard of her death then went out of his way to comment? I doubt it very much! Stop trying to dramatise it.

Personally I don't have a particularly strong opinion of Peaches, as I had mentioned earlier. It's a shame, but I am neither happy nor sad that she died as with other complete strangers that die. I am indifferent. I am more interested in the debate than the fact that they actually died.

I don't have a strong opinion on Peaches either, I just found it a bit strong that someone was posting shit about a young mother who had just died. To be fair that wasn't you, my mistake.

The problem is that people, all of us, form opinions of people they don't know purely on media of all sorts.

I would imagine a lot of people thought Jimmy Savile was an OK sort of guy who selflessly used his fame to raise charitable monies - an opinion formed by watching and reading. Not knowing.

We all know how that turned out.

My objection to this whole thing is that HT's comments (which he now regrets) was based on the merest skimming of social media which was harsh to say the least.

As for individuals not caring about others that is up to them but should not be surprised if some people find it sort of odd

There have also been quite a few threads marking the death of someone,  followed by lots of "R.I.P comments". I know which I prefer to read.

Who said we don't care about others?

I'm fortunate to have some very good friends and a wonderful family, I love them dearly. I can't speak for HT and Jayo but I'd guess that they also care a great deal about the people in their lives.

I certainly don't go about wishing harm on others and would stop pain and suffering if it could, but I simply can't. That doesn't mean that I should be sad whenever somebody dies. There's billions of people in the world and people are dying all the time, many in extreme anguish. It's just reality. A harsh reality but reality nonetheless.

No but there's a difference between not being sad and writing 'One more vapid, useless person gone from the world. Boo hoo.'

You must see that?

But this isn't about not being sad when someone you don't know dies - it started with HTs comments which is entirely different.

It was my opinion, and of others, that the comments were distasteful

I cried when Barry from Eastenders got pushed down the slope to his death by Janine.

It's an opinion. Why should death change somebody's opinion of a person? Why should death mean that we can no longer voice the opinion?

Fuck it. We're going around in circles now.

If that's the way you feel it should be then how can anyone answer your questions?

Eh? That doesn't make sense?

 :crash:
Yeah we fucking get it. On all counts by now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu7vySQbgXI

Really? Was anybody really surprised when the revelations came out? The bloke was a walking caricature of a paedo!

Charlie Brooker had a theory that when he became famous in the 60s/70s, TV picture quality was so poor, people couldn't tell what an oddity he was.

Just trying to break the circle  :)

We all have different opinions, we are entitled to them. I think some people draw the lines in different places, hence the reaction. Nothing more for anyone to say on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHjfdeVvJP0

The tragic moment :(

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Harrowing.

Serves him right, fat cunt.

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My opinion of Peaches is actually quite positive. She went from being a fucked up young girl with a fairly tragic past/upbringing into a lovely young woman with strong opinions and an air of grace and thougtfulness. She completely destroyed that horrible cunt Katie Hopkins in an interview on This Morning and came across as intelligent, caring and actually quite nice.

Her death, however, hasn't moved me in the slightest. She may as well have been a cartoon character for all the fucks I give.

Over 6,000 people I don't know die every hour. Nearly 1000 of them will be children, most in the developing world.

Whilst intellectually we might all agree that the death of all those young people is tragic, we don't, actually can't, go through any sort of emotional engagement or grief for those people. Human beings, quite sensibly, are programmed to care most about those closest to us, children, partners, immediate family, wider family and social network, tribe, local community etc.

We couldn't function if we felt the same way about the death of someone we never met as the death of a friend or family member, because it's happening all the time.

The variance in how people respond to the death of a celebrity, is not about how emotionally cold or engaged they are, it's about the extent to which they have accepted the concept, consciously or subconsciously, that because they've heard of this person, know all about them, are regularly given updates on what they are doing, that this means they have some sort of relationship.

When I hear about a death like this my thoughts tend to be not much more than "what a shame" but I don't FEEL anything much. I found it very difficult to take seriously the outpouring of grief around Diana Spencer's death for precisely these reasons. I couldn't understand people being so emotionally engaged with someone they'd only experienced through the media. It feels either:

- Childish - the equivalent of those young girls that are bawling in the street and needing counselling when some boy band splits up; or
- False - like people were misappropriating the grief of the woman's family and friends for effect

But I sort of had to accept that for a lot of them the feelings were genuine. There are people, and seemingly a hell of a lot of them, that are capable of forming an attachment to people they'd never met, never spoken to, who had never heard of them, and probably would never want to.

However, I'm pretty sure that no-one on here REALLY feels much of an emotional response to the death of the Geldof girl. What you're really arguing about is propriety. Some of you feel it's bad form to say anything negative about someone that's just died, or even to state that you don't care about that death.

Although many of those involved on that side of the debate don't seem to have much of a problem saying what the hell they like about people when they're alive. Odd?

Anyway, I don't think the two sides of this debate are actually that different. Your problem isn't feelings it's language and tone, which is difficult to get right in writing of this kind.

Those of you that are accusing others of being unfeeling need to honestly ask themselves this question:
"Do you really FEEL sad about this death? Or do you just THINK that this death is sad?"

I'm willing to bet for the most of you it's the later. You think the circumstance is sad, you think you should feel sad about it. But you don't actually feel any more than I do.

Maybe some of you don't know the difference, but one day you'll sit holding the hand of someone you love as they die and it'll become pretty clear.

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I have to say, that is a damned fine post dalailama (didn't think there was any point quoting the whole thing). It's what I've kind of had floating around in my brain for a couple of days now but was too lazy to post - although if I'm honest, I couldn't have put it across anywhere near as succinctly as you have. I totally agree about the whole bizarre Diana thing, that was one of the weirdest experiences of my life. Any way, I don't think there's any more to be said on the subject. Good work.

Yeah good post Lumps.

Agreed, a thoughtful, succinct post, Dalumpi

[stand back and wait for the counterblast - DMR has been quiet?]

I wish I wrote that

Great post from Lumps. Think your definition of succint differs ftom mine though RR!

:D

Don't know what you're expecting from me but I am pretty ambivalent towards the whole Peaches debate.

I'd have smashed the fuck out of her though

There's much more to life than Peaches..........There's Always The Sun, Skin Deep ,Golden Brown, No More Heoroes, 5 Minutes, Duchess, Nuclear Device, Nice 'n' Sleazy and lots more from the Stranglers in the last 40 years!

Those stranglers titles could be matched to some on here  :sherlock:

It was a very good post, and though Flashheart wishes he wrote it, I don't actually think it comes down on either side. What kicked this off, was HonkyTonks original 'boo hoo' post, personally I still think it's possible to object to that and not be labelled a grief tourist, but others disagree. Anyway this has , for me, gone on far too long.

I shall bow out

Here's some music to cheer us up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV14jq2n-jg&feature=kp

Lumps post is logical,  we know people die on a very regular basis and most of the time this doesn't impact on us personally. The clash here was the unnecessary comment. Some comments can and should be kept to yourself. I wouldn't mock the death of my worst enemy.

Fucking LOVE that tune. Some great memories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3BjVMWziE



...too soon?

I was expecting the unexpected - with hindsight, exactly that sort of comment

You're quite eloquent when not floundering under a tempest of your own impotent rage.

Wrong Peaches!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUoIclrvsPQ

Maybe this is more appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itRMx8fBwTo
They crucify you when you get it wrong
When things are fine they put you ahead
They laugh at you with your trousers down
They pick the stones and aim them at your head
When you're alive they won't care what you said
What you deserve and all the blood you bled
It doesn't matter what you try to hide
The sun comes out and then the truth is read
Your fans'll love you when you're alive
But the wreaths are laid by the rest instead
When you're alive they won't care what you said
What you deserve and all the blood you bled
'Cos everybody loves you when you're dead
Kneel and pray by the side of your bed
And everybody loves you when you're dead
Kneel and pray just like your momma said
When you're alive they won't care what you said
What you deserve and all the blood you bled
You'll turn in your grave at what's gonna be said
You'll finally be appreciated
'Cos everybody loves you when you're dead
'Cos everybody loves you when you're dead

Broken Box (DJ Peaches Remix) - Queens of the Stone Age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npLr18zoc7k

Yeah it's surprising what a course of CBT and a daily dose of Citalopram can do for you.

Sue Townsend who wrote the Adrian Mole books has passed away aged 68.

I used to love those books.

Me too - there was another book in the offing.  "Adrian Mole and the coalition years".  Wonder if it was finished.. Sad day.

I was about the same age as moley when I read the first book, loved it. I remember the TV series too, Gian Samarco (sp)??

You've done your motorbike training? Agreed, good for the soul.

68 and three quarters, surely

 :D

But was she a vapid, useless person?

(ducks)

Don't go there!

Racing commentator and town fan Julian Wilson has died.

Thats a shame, he was a big town fan, he used to sit next to my dad in the North Stand back in the 70's, nice bloke and would always speak to Town fans even if he was a bit of a snob. RIP.

I'm pretty sure it has been said that he was involved in getting macari here. Not sure I have that right though.

I heard similar but don't know how true it is. If it is indeed true then that was a major contribution in Swindon Towns history.

Wilson pops up on the end of a recent upload

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKUqSW99dE

Injured his leg celebrating a goal :D RIP to the fella.

Gabriel Garcia Marquez died last week and no one predicted death more magically than him in the opening lines of his novels:

"Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice."

"On the day they were going to kill him, Santiago Nasar got up at five-thirty in the morning to wait for the boat the bishop was coming on. He'd dreamed he was going through a grove of timber trees where a gentle drizzle was falling, and for an instant he was happy in his dream"

RIP to Colombia's greatest export - above even Shakira and Carlos Valderrama

Ex Scotland international defender and captain Sandy Jardine died yesterday aged 65.

I remember him play against England back in the 70's an uncompromising full back for Rangers and Hearts.

Barcelona ex manager Tito Vilanova aged 45.

Bob Hoskins, aged 71

Bob Hoskins of the long good friday and roger Rabbit fame dies aged 71

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27224995 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27224995)

You sure?

Ayrton Senna died 20 years ago today.

I remember vividly watching in shock and awe that weekend as Ratzenburger and Senna both died. I loved F1 back then.

Thinking about it 1994 was also the year Kurt Cobain died, some year for tragic deaths.

RIP Bob Hoskins.

Let us not forget that he also starred as Mario Mario :clap:

Bob Hoskins was great,  R.I.P Bob.

:(

I watched Made in Dagenham recently.

RIP Bob.

The title of this thread annoys me every time it pops up. Why did a 5 year old thread become the place to post about famous people who've died?

happy now?

At least until next year.

Cheers Boss.

I think it should be renamed the '5 year old thread to talk about people that have died, or those predicted to die this year'  :)

It should be renamed 'thread where people talk like 5 year olds about people that have died'

It should be renamed 'Dispatches'

Wrong thread. I think you need the 'Trivial things you don't understand/mildly annoy you' thread - http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=39090.msg1268680;topicseen#new

 :D

Peaches was on the skag then. Not that it comes of any shock.

Elena Baltacha, RIP.  Tragic.

Her Dad played for Ipswich.  Not that that's in any way relevant.  What a waste.

Real tragedy. Only retired 6 months ago. No age at all.

:( She's had liver issues since late teens, then cancer. Horrible.

While were on the subject of death, whose idea was it to have the roll of honour of those town fans who died during the season called out while everyone clapped? You struggle to hear the PA system at the best of times. 

Yeah, said the same thing. Read them out before then start the clapping.

Nigel Stepney, the former F1 Ferrari mechanic dies in what appears to be a suicide - walking out in front of an HGV

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27262470

That'll do it alright

Minutes silence is better, gives you chance to reflect. Clapping is not the British (English) way. I'd clap if if someone i truely dispised or hated died though.

Yes, they need to rethink that.  Couldn't hear a thing and for those whose loved ones were read out, it would have been important.

The woman who stands next to me lost her dad this season & she was upset she couldn't hear his name read out. Her dad used to stand behind us in the town end.

Why football has become obsessed with applause instead of dignified silence i do not know?

I'm really sure what is being applauded.

Their life.

I believe it started when George Best died, and now there sems to be more minute's applause than minutes silence.

Partly because its virtually impossible to ruin it if a few people decide to boo or make noise during the minutes applause vs the minutes silence.

Yeah, exactly. Don't think it's even people booing most of the time, just the dribbling idiots that are unable to stand quietly for 60 seconds.

So it's ruined as people cannot hear names being read out instead.
Both have their flaws i suppose.

It's something that we taken from the Italians, first it at serie a matches, they clap and sing the name of the person who has died.

Typical over the top italians.  I prefer a good old British stolid minute of contemplation and respect rather than outward displays of emotion.  Stiff upper lip and all that.

My mate lost his dad this season, and I could just hear his name, my mate couldn't, but I gave him a nudge at the appropriate moment.  A minutes silence is a better, more dignified way to remember those we have lost.

There has also been a growth in meant silences turning into applause after a few seconds of quiet. A few start clapping,others look around in confusion and then the clapping grows.

My Dad's name was read out in 2011 when it was silence. However, Iris's name had been read out shortly before which generated impromptu singing from the town end. While I completely understand why this happened, I was disappointed not to be able to hear Dad's name on my phone recording. I think silence is the way forward rather than applause as I wouldn't want anyone to miss their loved ones name.

I wish they would fix the PA in the DRS.

It can't be as bad as it is in the Town End, it is awful.

Rik Mayall has passed away.

For me the young ones was one of the best tv programmes ever made.

Nooooooooooooo.

WTF? thats awful news, one of my all time fave comedians.

They have just announced it but no cause of death as yet, such a loss to comedy.

Very Sad news.

RIP people's poet and world's stupidest bottom burp.

I know this one... Toxteth O'Grady

Young Ones was just before my time but of course Flashheart and Richard Richard are genius comic characters.

Sad news.

Shit  :( RIP Rik

I always thought drop dead Fred was an under rated film, everytime i see it, it makes me laugh.

Only 56 :(

I loved Bottom growing up (fnar fnar), even though I probably was too young to be watching it.

RIP Rik.

Yes!! As a kid I loved this film!!

correct. And lastly who has been tampering with my question cards.

Rik to Suggs:"Do you know summer holiday by cliff Richards"
Suggs to Rik:"You hum it and I'll smash your face in"

Still makes me chuckle.

Always liked The New Statesman too.

Rik Mayall!? That's not fucking on! He shall be sorely missed, for the relatively limited number of roles he was famous in, he made a huge impact to British comedy and culture in general.

Woof woof.

Can't believe it. Watching The Young Ones was the highlight of my youth. RIP Rik.  :(

fucking love Rik Mayall, a big big loss. RIP

One of the great British comedians. I don't think he ever got over that bad head injury in '98.

RIP Rik

Awful news, rip Rik.

Loved the new statesman, never seems to get aired. :(

I lived around the corner from the college I attended. I'd often skive with mates to go home, smoke weed and watch the young ones. I had them all on tape. Great days.

  :(  :( 

I first saw Rik at Glastonbury in a comedy tent....must have been early 80's.  He did a character called Kevin Turvey, which for some reason used to crease me up....so it was good to see him go on and create other stuff which I could relate to.

 Young Ones, was like my life style about 15 years earlier....a bit anachronistic, but when the BBC staple was stuff like Terry and June, Wendy Craig domestic shite, and other twee middle class suburban fodder. A welcome relief.

 Alan BStard....so well observed and still in a constituency near you.

Couldn't watch the Young Ones, disliked Bottom, thought he was superb as Flashheart. Appreciated the effect that he had on British comedy.

Very sad and at no age really. RIP

Couldn't stand the Young Ones or actually any comedy he was in. Strangely he did a few straight roles and was very good in them. He was a talent though.

Wasn't the Kevin Turvey character the one with the Birmingham accent he did on the BBC show "A Kick Up the Eighties"?

Edit:  Yes it was.  Great stuff!  Happy memories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CpHEqxy1jM

Yeah....Kevin came from Redditch.

Grim Tales was pretty cool for those my age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRi-v_7cJ_U

Fuck, loved him as a youngster, can't recall much since then. Think I also liked him as one of my uncles had a similar appearance and demeanour.

First saw him as Kevin Turvey doing a poem about "Theatre" was brilliant at the time as was the young ones which hasn't aged well but was ground breaking when I was a young lad.

Really sad news   

- Ade Edmondson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5YJKuKT3jo

According to some on here Im probably some sort of hysterical unbalanced gusher, but  I'm genuinely feeling really sad for the passing of this man who's comedy genius enriched my young life.

Getting old and seeing your heroes die is awful, but it definitely is preferable to the alternative.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/27794411

A bit of a shock....

It gets worse .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24651576

First Flashheart dies, now nursie has gone http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/21/actress-patsy-byrne-aka-blackadders-nursie-dies-aged-80-4770979/

And Percy is shitting himself.

BBC radio presenter Trevor Fry has died. RIP

RIP, Tommy Ramone

The staple diet of my informative youth

RIP

The last Ramone, may they all rest in peace.

Or may then rest in a punk rock version of it! Gabba Gabba hey.......

Cant believe they have all gone : (      Saw them once, bloody brilliant

James Garner, AKA Jim Rockford has passed away at 86.  Used to love the rockford files.  Or at least the theme tune, never got further than that as it was my bedtime.  Always thought he was a prime candidate to be resurrected in some sort of Tarantino film.  Never happened.

Rockford Files-honestly my favourite tv show of all time

I liked Garner in the 50's when he used to play Brett Maverick, in the western series Maverick.

He never did anything conventionally did he.  Odd that.

At least his likeness lives on in Troy Tempest.

STAND BY FOR ACTION!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E06cNv55jTs