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Title: The new, new manager thread. Thread closed.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 25, 2021, 20:51:42
With all that's going on it seems we've forgotten that we need a manager.

I wouldn't mind us signing John McGreal. He's available at the moment after quitting his last job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, June 25, 2021, 20:57:33
Iíve heard a rumour that itís finally time for Tisdale, not sure how much truth there is in it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 25, 2021, 20:58:25
I'd be happy with Tisdale. It's about time he ended up here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Friday, June 25, 2021, 21:01:32
Michael Flynn the favourite. Would be VERY surprised but I guess someone fancies it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, June 25, 2021, 21:04:43
Cooper second 😳


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 25, 2021, 21:10:55
I'm thinking about applying.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, June 25, 2021, 23:10:20
 :pint:
I'm thinking about applying.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 05:44:29
I canít think of a logical reason why, but is there a chance McGreal resigned so as to get re-employed by Clem under what might be a better contract?

Hereís the full list of possibles - thereís some corkers!

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 08:41:57
suddenly the reason nobody wants the Tottenham job becomes apparent.

you don't have London mutton when Swindon steak is available

welcome JŁrgen Klinsmann


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 08:44:13
I thought it was bread and water on the menu😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cheltred on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 08:56:34
I canít think of a logical reason why, but is there a chance McGreal resigned so as to get re-employed by Clem under what might be a better contract?

Hereís the full list of possibles - thereís some corkers!

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town
It's possible, maybe Clem tipped him off?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 09:55:44
I dare say the people around Morfuni would have advised him to stick with McGreal so his exit will have them scrambling.

Everything within the club has temporarily stopped so the current odds are, in my opinion, hilarious.

In terms of the next manager... good luck to them! What a task.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:01:05
I dare say the people around Morfuni would have advised him to stick with McGreal so his exit will have them scrambling.

Everything within the club has temporarily stopped so the current odds are, in my opinion, hilarious.

In terms of the next manager... good luck to them! What a task.
The next appointment is a huge thing for Clem.

We still don't officially know if the mutual removal of McGreal was Power or Morfunis choice, we can only assume at the moment. Unless I missed the confirmation somewhere.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:08:45
But, as I said before, if McGrealís beef was with Power reneging on promises, why resign when a new owner is about to take over. I can only think it was Clem who wants his own man.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:11:25
A rep from the Trust (James Spencer) was saying they don't believe Clem has even spoken to McGreal, and in Clems last round of interviews he said he would give them a chance.

https://twitter.com/JSPhotographyUK/status/1408448423351795712

McGreal signed 2 players, but was blocked from signing more? I don't see how the last court appearance introduced anything that blocked signings. Unless they were planned on the basis the efl loan was out of the picture, a lie/promise from Power, that he had no intention of fulfilling after his fuck up has led to Clem basically getting the club. But still as a manager wouldn't your ride the transition to Clem?

Seems like Power since that court hearing has just turned off the taps. Blocked all expenditure, triggering McGreal to jump (some what foolishly i think) and removing Anderson as an expense. He's doing a mighty find job of fucking the club and giving Clem a shirt storm to pick up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:14:40
Yeah Clem spoke in his last couple of interviews that he stated he was willing to give McGreal a chance which is why I wondered if it was anything to do with Clem or just a falling out with Power.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:16:05
Power is history now. Why not wait a few days and see how the smoke clears.

The timing of this and his statement in the week is baffling.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:18:12
I wonder how aware McGreal is of all that's going on. For all we know, his only knowledge of what's happening could all come from Power and fuck knows what he'd be telling people.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:20:28
I also don't get the statement made 2 days ago, to then be followed by his departure swiftly after.

First. Its a strange statement for the club to have published anyway, especially given at the time issued the court case was not in powers favour. Who approved that statement? And what did it achieve, was it supposed to reassure the fans that work was in progress. Presumably Anderson or Power had to sign off on it. Not just the press guy?

Second. When was the last time we had 6 players lined up before preseason begins. Every single season, you may get 2 or 3 in earlier. But then its a heap of trialists as we know the better players can wait for the best option. I'm not sure i believe there were 6 players lined up.

Third. What changed in two days from that statement that made it McGreal's decision to leave? I think it has to have been his decision for it to be said to be mutual. If Power wanted rid then surely McGreal would just wait for a pay out.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:22:45
As it stands

1. Wollacott
2. Exeter bloke - canít remember his name!
4. Dion Conroy (c) (DC - 2022)
5. Jonathan Grounds (DLC - 2022)
6. Mathieu Baudry (DC - 2022)  
8. Prett Bitman (ST - 2022)  
14. Ellis Iandolo (D/WBL/AML - 2022)
16. Akin Odimayo (DC - 2021)
18. Jack Payne (AMRLC - 2022)
19. Jordan Lyden (DM - 2022)
21. Taylor Curran (DC - 2023)
24. Rob Hunt (D/WBRL - 2022)
37. Harry Parsons (ST - YTS)

Wollacott
Exeter bloke.  Conroy.  Grounds/Baudry   Hunt
Odimayo.  Payne.  Lyden
Iandolo.  Brett.  Parsons

Not too shabby


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:24:53

Not too shabby

You and i have very different definitions of shabby!

Though good work on not having to put Curran in your eleven.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:25:11
As it stands

1. Wollacott
2. Exeter bloke - canít remember his name!
4. Dion Conroy (c) (DC - 2022)
5. Jonathan Grounds (DLC - 2022)
6. Mathieu Baudry (DC - 2022)  
8. Prett Bitman (ST - 2022)  
14. Ellis Iandolo (D/WBL/AML - 2022)
16. Akin Odimayo (DC - 2021)
18. Jack Payne (AMRLC - 2022)
19. Jordan Lyden (DM - 2022)
21. Taylor Curran (DC - 2023)
24. Rob Hunt (D/WBRL - 2022)
37. Harry Parsons (ST - YTS)

Wollacott
Exeter bloke.  Conroy.  Grounds/Baudry   Hunt
Odimayo.  Payne.  Lyden
Iandolo.  Brett.  Parsons

Not too shabby

We'll probably lose one or two of those, plus there's the matter of a few being permanently injured.

Other than that, there's a very decent L2 team.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:26:17
Payne and Odimayo May look at staying now Powerís gone. Love to see both of them again next season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:26:37
What changed in two days from that statement that made it McGreal's decision to leave?


If Power has turned the taps off, perhaps they weren't paid on payday?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:29:31
If Power has turned the taps off, perhaps they weren't paid on payday?
Power does have a track record of that, similar to Sheedy and Newell at Waterford.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:29:52
As it stands

1. Wollacott
2. Exeter bloke - can’t remember his name!
4. Dion Conroy (c) (DC - 2022)
5. Jonathan Grounds (DLC - 2022)
6. Mathieu Baudry (DC - 2022) 
8. Prett Bitman (ST - 2022) 
14. Ellis Iandolo (D/WBL/AML - 2022)
16. Akin Odimayo (DC - 2021)
18. Jack Payne (AMRLC - 2022)
19. Jordan Lyden (DM - 2022)
21. Taylor Curran (DC - 2023)
24. Rob Hunt (D/WBRL - 2022)
37. Harry Parsons (ST - YTS)

Wollacott
Exeter bloke.  Conroy.  Grounds/Baudry   Hunt
Odimayo.  Payne.  Lyden
Iandolo.  Brett.  Parsons

Not too shabby

It's not great either - defence is/could be solid IFFFFF everyone stays fit.  But midfield is imbalanced and small and Parson's an unknown and probably shouldn't be starting early doors


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:31:40
I think itís safe to assume that we will sign some other players. Just pointing out that if those players stayed fit, augmented by new players, weíd have a fighting chance.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:31:56
McGreal's first and only official working week at Swindon Town.

Day 1 in the Office - Okay, this ins't ideal but I can work with it.
Day 2 in the Office - I have six people ready to sign. A delay? Why's that? Sorted soon? Okay. Fine. Hmmm.
Day 3 in the Office - Let's put a message out to the fans - We can do this! How's that delay going? Ongoing? Hmmm.
Day 4 in the Office - What do you mean you're all going? I was told... Oh forget it. I don't think this is going to work.
Day 5 in the Office - We're off. Byeeeee.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:32:31
It's not great either - defence is could be solid IFFFFF everyone stays fit.  But midfield is imbalanced and small and Parson's is an unknown and probably shouldn't be starting early doors

It's not 'great', but does anybody really expect that to be our starting XI?

There is a 'decent' team in there, not a great one, and it will certainly be added to.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:37:14
Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 10:38:23
Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.
I was just thinking that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 11:49:37
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Power is history now. Why not wait a few days and see how the smoke clears.

The timing of this and his statement in the week is baffling.

Either someone had told him something he doesn't like - e.g. budget, timeframe or Jewell leaving, crap about Clem, etc.

Or is a massive stitch up by power to get consultancy fees and get a payoff for 'his' manager .

I don't think the latter is likely.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 11:50:07
Quote
Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.
never thought of that

still can't see Payne or odimayo staying


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:12:17
Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.

Are they both injured for 4 months then?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:14:45
I see Lee Peacocks reply on twitter suggests the first team (if we can call the collection of players we have that) isn't in training until later next week. I'm sure it was stated as Monday before. I assume they have been told its pushed back while someone scrambles around.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:22:02
I believe training has been delayed until Thursday and, as it stands, the seniors will be training with the U18s.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:25:17
Do we have the new home & away kits out yet or are they on hold😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:30:22
Do we have the new home & away kits out yet or are they on hold😀

Skins v last seasons shirts (if there are any left)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:30:42
Quote from: Jimmy Quinn
Do we have the new home & away kits out yet or are they on hold😀

going skins this year


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:32:44
I believe training has been delayed until Thursday and, as it stands, the seniors will be training with the U18s.

Just got to hope this takeover is completed asap and Clem has something lined up to get into place quickly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:34:17
Do we even have a kit manufacturer, I recall Puma expired in 2020 but was extended fir a year?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 12:43:52
going skins this year

Bouncing all over the place....well the hung ones will be😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 13:03:03
Bouncing all over the place....well the hung ones will be😀

Pervert, tops only. 🙄 😁


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 13:06:26
I think wasn't made very clear😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 18:30:28
John Terry.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 19:41:36
John Terry.

With Jack "footballing encyclopaedia" Grealish as his player-assistant?  :hmmm:

Don't really think today is the day for senior managerial movements, to include two wife-shaggers in the news. Although it'd be a metaphorical "double team" for the newspapers.

Hancock taking the front, Terry taking the back....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 19:45:01
With a little racism thrown in for good measure


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 19:47:16
I still don't think we have heard the last of McGreal and Gilmartin. That's based on nothing more than it was an odd statement and we've heard nothing from either since


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 19:55:16
I still don't think we have heard the last of McGreal and Gilmartin. That's based on nothing more than it was an odd statement and we've heard nothing from either since

I sort of hope so purely because their exit is an unwanted headache. I'm certain that McGreal was Jewell's man so I don't expect them to return but you never know.

Also, I do wonder if any possible return would made difficult if contracts have been already officially terminated? Having new owners would equate to new negotiations etc.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 26, 2021, 20:56:28
I sort of hope so purely because their exit is an unwanted headache. I'm certain that McGreal was Jewell's man so I don't expect them to return but you never know.

Also, I do wonder if any possible return would made difficult if contracts have been already officially terminated? Having new owners would equate to new negotiations etc.


They wonít be returning unless they have left something in their desks.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 07:36:31
Swindon. New regime on way wants Flynn at Newport as boss. Ben Chorley to replace Paul Jewell as director of football.

- via Nixon on Twitter


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 07:39:44
Ohhh, interesting.

Would be more than happy with that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 07:44:47
Swindon. New regime on way wants Flynn at Newport as boss. Ben Chorley to replace Paul Jewell as director of football.

- via Nixon on Twitter
It says in the article that former chief scout Chorley is set to return to his former position. I read that to mean that he would be reappointed as chief scout.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 07:55:32
Swindon. New regime on way wants Flynn at Newport as boss. Ben Chorley to replace Paul Jewell as director of football.

- via Nixon on Twitter
LOVE that. Great manager for this level and would be a statement of intent. Indicates to me it's likely we will have a healthy budget if you're trying to poach one of the most talented and rounded managers at this level.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 07:57:55
Enjoying listening to the latest Loathed Strangers podcast where they're laughing at the ridiculousness of Flynn being linked. It does seem unlikely but if there's anything I've learned as a Town fan of many years, it's that I know absolutely nothing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:02:01
Clearly not much of a secret given the odds on Flynn even prior to Nixons article. Makes you wonder who the sources are given the changes and how few people there at the club.

Not sure about Flynn. Clearly done a good job at Newport. Hope he changes the way he plays a bit with a better pitch. He's a very angry man on the sidelines.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:07:22
Mike Flynn will not be our new manager of that I am certain.

Clem wont start his tenure paying compensation for a manager he will almost certainly have picked the new man a while ago when he conducted several interviews (allegedly).

I have a feeling we are not in for a "blow your socks off" 1st managerial appointment from Clem.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:13:01
I don't think Flynn is out of reach as a manager of his calibre typically would be. He seemed to be considering his position after the playoff final and Newport under their current structure will rarely break the bank to probably sustain his ambitions. As Clem has been following Swindon since 2014, Flynn is one of the standouts at this level over that period so is probably more than aware of what he would bring. Usually I am very cynical when it comes to Swindons managerial prospects but I have an unusually good feeling for once on this one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:14:36
Mike Flynn will not be our new manager of that I am certain.

Clem wont start his tenure paying compensation for a manager he will almost certainly have picked the new man a while ago when he conducted several interviews (allegedly).

I have a feeling we are not in for a "blow your socks off" 1st managerial appointment from Clem.

Inclined to agree with you.

Not sure why Flynn would leave Newport. Spent a few years there building a team and they've been very close. Also his hometown team. Obviously we are a bigger club but right now, even with Clem in charge, we're still a mess.

If it did come off I'd be pretty happy, he's done a great job there although I can't say I was a fan of his style of football whenever we faced them. Seems like he may have adapted a bit last season so who knows.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:29:05
Before anyone asksÖ the last time we took another clubs manager was November 2020, when we appointed a man by the name of John Sheridan who was Wigan manager at the time.
That went well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:33:58
Before anyone asksÖ the last time we took another clubs manager was November 2020, when we appointed a man by the name of John Sheridan who was Wigan manager at the time.
That went well.

He wasnít properly under contract though was he.

It wonít be Flynn anyway.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 08:43:57
Would be delighted at Flynn. At the very least we could go on a good cup run for a change


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:05:12
Flynnís football the last time we visited Newport in League Two was some of the ugliest stuff Iíve ever seen. Effective maybe, but just plain ugly. Newport always seemed to start seasons well under him before tailing off too.

Not massively keen on this one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:07:34
Not sure why Flynn would leave Newport. Spent a few years there building a team and they've been very close. Also his hometown team. Obviously we are a bigger club but right now, even with Clem in charge, we're still a mess.

If it did come off I'd be pretty happy, he's done a great job there although I can't say I was a fan of his style of football whenever we faced them. Seems like he may have adapted a bit last season so who knows.
Absolutely Flynn wouldnt leave a cushy job for a (on paper) basket case club, as for his style, when we played then they were terrible, hoofball and bully opponents but I saw them 3 times when Twine was there and they played a decent on the deck style which impressed me, it could be that he only had the players (and pitch) for hoofball previously.

As it stands though if you want to waste your money stick it on Flynn for the job.

I have a feeling we will all be "meh" about the new appointment, but in Clem we trust, when he is finally ratified.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:11:14
It would be an ambitious move, and Iíd be surprised but very happy with it. Look at it another way - can Morfuni afford to not appoint a proven manager? We canít go down - he needs a positive start. Managerial compensation neednít be that high. Plus, Flynnís 2020/21 Newport was very different to the 19/20 version. He had the ball going into Scott Twineís feet, not sailing over him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:11:53
Having a quick google it seems Flynn drastically altered their style last year and they played a lot more football (which it seems Twine was key to). He mentions playing long ball as a necessity due to their horrendous pitch and it being difficult to continue playing on the deck after January when the pitch was even more horrendous. It seems Flynn has done pretty well utilising two different styles!

They've signed 5 players already including ex Town Jermaine Hylton. Doesn't seem like he'll move anywhere, least of all a basket case in the same league. Football is strange though....

 https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/29026/12318917/michael-flynn-interview-newport-countys-hometown-hero-on-the-style-change-thats-taken-them-to-wembley#aoh=16247854821148&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s (https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/29026/12318917/michael-flynn-interview-newport-countys-hometown-hero-on-the-style-change-thats-taken-them-to-wembley#aoh=16247854821148&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:21:31
Absolutely Flynn wouldnt leave a cushy job for a (on paper) basket case club, as for his style, when we played then they were terrible, hoofball and bully opponents but I saw them 3 times when Twine was there and they played a decent on the deck style which impressed me, it could be that he only had the players (and pitch) for hoofball previously.

As it stands though if you want to waste your money stick it on Flynn for the job.

I have a feeling we will all be "meh" about the new appointment, but in Clem we trust, when he is finally ratified.

It's sounds like there will be a underwhelming appointment


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:22:59
hmmm. I can't see it being Flynn, even if Nicko is very often right.

it's just the money aspect. we surely need every penny to stabilise the ship.

still. my flabber has been ghasted before


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:27:12
Update from Noxin: Flynn will be the new manager. With Twine convinced to stay too. Chorley not coming. Was lost in translation. Someone said Robbie Fowler will be travelling down from his newly relocated Chorley, on occasion.

-------------------------------

Please take that with the most huge slice of sarcasm.


Seems several on here are in agreeance/incredibly ITK on who Town's next manager won't be...a case of "Nixon v The ITKers"...let battle commence.

Funny though...had Cowley said similar in that regard, he'd already be hung out to dry by several here. Think Berni mentioned similar the other day '...that's how it usually works isn't it?'. Yet here we are.

Some of you obviously know more than some and of course "can't say" but I didn't know some were already as close to Clem as Great Western Reds were/are in bed with Jamie Sendles-White  :pint:

FWIW - Jerome Flynn would be a better appointment than the previous managerial enigma.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:51:28
wonder who Nixon's source is?

It's surely either going to be from the Newport side, or from one of the old regime on ours given there is nobody left to ask.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 09:59:27
Flynn was unhappy at Newport wasnt he? Something to do with a DOF being bought in over his head

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/19340670.michael-flynn-need-consider-newport-future/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:03:47
Must admit I have never seen that, interesting, sounds like paving his way to an exit then, still doubt it will to us though but stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:07:00
It was from after the playoff final so only a month ago


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:09:33
Flynn would be great but I doubt whether we are in a position to go through an expensive and possibly timely negotiation with Newport.

I suspect we'll see someone like Tisdale being announced this week. I'm relaxed about it all, whatever happens Will happen.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:15:48
Nixon is usually right.

Although 'wanting' somebody and 'getting' somebody is not necessarily the same thing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:21:43
Nixon is usually right.

Although 'wanting' somebody and 'getting' somebody is not necessarily the same thing.

This is key, isn't it? I could buy the club and say I want Klopp but it doesn't mean it'll happen.

I'll be interested to see how Flynn/Newport react to this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:31:45
Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:35:36
Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone
Don't tease!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:36:45
Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone

Without being given a testimonial?! Disgraceful


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:36:56
ĎĎTis on Twitter, so must be true!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:38:15
Don't worry he will re-sign on Thursday :pint:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:38:44
Signing for Peruvian side Deportivo Wanka


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:40:06
Flynn's home town is Newport, which is not far from Swindon, so that may work in our favour.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:40:14
Is that a team full of tossers😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:43:39
Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone

Imagine a world where Power leaves and Taylor Curran remains? Biggest travesty is the pay off he will get.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:45:38
Update from Noxin: Flynn will be the new manager. With Twine convinced to stay too. Chorley not coming. Was lost in translation. Someone said Robbie Fowler will be travelling down from his newly relocated Chorley, on occasion.

-------------------------------

Please take that with the most huge slice of sarcasm.


Seems several on here are in agreeance/incredibly ITK on who Town's next manager won't be...a case of "Nixon v The ITKers"...let battle commence.

Funny though...had Cowley said similar in that regard, he'd already be hung out to dry by several here. Think Berni mentioned similar the other day '...that's how it usually works isn't it?'. Yet here we are.

Some of you obviously know more than some and of course "can't say" but I didn't know some were already as close to Clem as Great Western Reds were/are in bed with Jamie Sendles-White  :pint:

FWIW - Jerome Flynn would be a better appointment than the previous managerial enigma.

Iíd be up on the roof protesting if we appointed Jermone Flynn


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:48:56
Imagine a world where Power leaves and Taylor Curran remains? Biggest travesty is the pay off he will get.

When the two of them are gone it will be interesting to learn what was going on there. Caddis is is LSpod suggested he would talk more when appropriate i think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 10:49:52
When the two of them are gone it will be interesting to learn what was going on there. Caddis is is LSpod suggested he would talk more when appropriate i think.

He might be restricted as to what he can say after heís been appointed manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:08:10
Iíd be up on the roof protesting if we appointed Jermone Flynn

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Uproar when Town change from the "Robins" to the "Bluebirds" too. It's never been the same since the split from Robson Green - the melody was unchained!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:16:07
C'mon, Clem's just trying to keep the customer's satisfied!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:19:50
Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone


Another reason we got relegated, playing with only 10 proís each game. Hopefully this fraudulent agreement of having a mates son playing in return for financial favours will see another nail in Powers coffin when he inevitably is investigated for financial wrong doings. Wouldnít be surprised if he ends up doing time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:26:30
Another reason we got relegated, playing with only 10 proís each game. Hopefully this fraudulent agreement of having a mates son playing in return for financial favours will see another nail in Powers coffin when he inevitably is investigated for financial wrong doings. Wouldnít be surprised if he ends up doing time.

Just hold onto that last comment for a while.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:39:25
Good news that we are looking at Flynn.

I know on the face of it we look an absolute mess but Clem has had a while now to have an idea of what he needs to do etc to sort us out.

Managers players agents etc are a different breed, jesus Lee Power managed to sign a management team and 2 players in the middle of all this so it's not beyond reality that Clem and his CEO have outlined a plan with someone like Flynn who let's not forget can manage on a budget and would not have to worry about relocating for arguable an exciting challenge


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies shorts on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:51:10
Another reason we got relegated, playing with only 10 proís each game. Hopefully this fraudulent agreement of having a mates son playing in return for financial favours will see another nail in Powers coffin when he inevitably is investigated for financial wrong doings. Wouldnít be surprised if he ends up doing time.
You can agombar to that and probably Rodgers as well given the friendly with daddy's team would account for his wages.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 11:55:20
But, at least, Anton Rodgers was a passable footballer. The other 2 . . .


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies shorts on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 12:11:28
But, at least, Anton Rodgers was a passable footballer. The other 2 . . .
He took a good free kick. That's all


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 13:18:26
Anton Rogers  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 14:53:18
Football League Roundup

ĎSwindon have officially contacted Newport over Michael Flynn. Not clear if Flynn is interested, particularly considering the unclear direction at Swindon. #ncfc #stfcí


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 14:57:14
A real statement of intent if true.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 14:57:19
most odd. the word on the street was somebody out of work was lined up.

the word on the street isn't always right. But it's also not always wrong.

not heard any names though.

interesting week ahead.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 14:58:19
Maybe by mid week Flynn will be out of work


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 15:36:13
Will be delighted if we get Flynn. Nixon seems to be generally correct so hereís to hoping heís right about this Ďun


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 15:49:47
Nixon seems to think itís down to money. Not his wages but budget for players.

Canít think why Clem would go through all this shit for so long just to deliver a mediocre budget for a mediocre manager.

Suppose weíll see things clearer in a few days.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 15:55:12
Nixon claims to know slot considering McGreal only walked out on Friday and Flynn is still employed but if he's right we could potent end up with a better manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:04:04
We await Dukeís next reply


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:21:46
Dukes already commented regarding it. I personally think it's got legs in it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:24:42
What did he say


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:30:37
Dukes already commented regarding it. I personally think it's got legs in it

My point was I thought he said it would
be a manager out of work, which obviously Flynn isnít. If Iíve missed a post, then my bad.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:34:07
You haven't missed a post and summarise correctly


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:45:52
Apologies I misread someone else's post


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hunk on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:47:51
My point was I thought he said it would
be a manager out of work, which obviously Flynn isnít. If Iíve missed a post, then my bad.

Although heís not out of work his words after the playoff loss suggest heís worth pursuing


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: anglia red on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:53:55
If he resigns ,he will be out of work


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:55:13
If he doesn't then he's not the one lined up!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 16:55:30
Anton Rogers  :girlgiggle:

Guffaw, guffaw, from our in house Barrister.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 18:05:12
Guffaw, guffaw, from our in house Barrister.

I have been called worse  :clap:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 27, 2021, 19:35:27
I have been called worse  :clap:

Deservedly so no doubt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 28, 2021, 08:42:14
Guffaw, guffaw, from our in house Barrister.
You miss spelt McDonalds barista.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 28, 2021, 08:57:47
You miss spelt McDonalds barista.

😱


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:19:46
I get a free meal every shift


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:25:01
I get a free meal every shift

you must be happy with that?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:33:37
I get a free meal every shift
Every job has its perks.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:46:10
The fact that no betting firm has put up odds on this appointment makes me feel whoever it is, itís already a done deal.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:46:46
The fact that no betting firm has put up odds on this appointment makes me feel whoever it is, itís already a done deal.

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:48:50
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town
I know we are beggars not choosers but that list is fucking depressing in the main.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:49:27
They arenít actually a bookies. Those odds were linked to BetVictor on Friday and have since been taken down.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:54:32
They arenít actually a bookies. Those odds were linked to BetVictor on Friday and have since been taken down.
All signs point to Clem having chosen his new manager already as you stated earlier.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2021, 09:58:26
All signs point to Clem having chosen his new manager already as you stated earlier.

cue fans lazily listing a load of Australian managers!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, June 28, 2021, 11:05:14
They arenít actually a bookies. Those odds were linked to BetVictor on Friday and have since been taken down.



Incorrect. These are live odds on BV site.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 28, 2021, 11:55:33
Care to put up a screenshot of the BetVictor odds as of today?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 28, 2021, 11:57:51
I don't see any Swindon manager odds on BV site.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:04:22
I don't see any Swindon manager odds on BV site.

If you go to menu - football - specials - manager specials it has markets for Palace, Wrexham, Fulham, Barnsley, Spurs and Swindon.

Cooper - 11/10
Flynn - 13/8
Fowler 16/1
Tisdale 16/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:04:53
https://www.betvictor.com/en-gb/sports/240/meetings/441511110/events/1501957400/market_group/3538


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:08:55
https://www.betvictor.com/en-gb/sports/240/meetings/441511110/events/1501957400/market_group/3538

doh! I could have done that also!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:11:36
If you go to menu - football - specials - manager specials it has markets for Palace, Wrexham, Fulham, Barnsley, Spurs and Swindon.

Cooper - 11/10
Flynn - 13/8
Fowler 16/1
Tisdale 16/1
I put it in the search and nothing came up! what a dire list that is, other than Flynn!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:13:55
It's a lazy list. People chucking money away.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:16:21
Care to put up a screenshot of the BetVictor odds as of today?




Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 28, 2021, 12:22:58
It's a lazy list. People chucking money away.

Is anyone chucking money away or just the bookies putting out a very generic market to try and entice. You would have to have naivety on a McGreal level to delve into that at this stage.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Monday, June 28, 2021, 13:17:57
I expect to see Dave Mitchell enter the reckoning in the near future


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 28, 2021, 13:20:15
I expect to see Dave Mitchell enter the reckoning in the near future

What's Royce Brownlie up to these days?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Monday, June 28, 2021, 13:23:29
Or Gareth Edds


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2021, 13:26:53
I expect to see Dave Mitchell enter the reckoning in the near future

 :clap:



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, June 28, 2021, 14:56:13
Seeing as Sheena Easton isn't Antipodean, how about Kylie Minogue, with Danni as CEO and Jason Donovan assistant manager?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:05:00
Frank Talia, could double up as goalkeeping coach (when Kovar also returns)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:05:05
Sure Jason would be doing the catering?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:07:42
Seeing as Sheena Easton isn't Antipodean, how about Kylie Minogue, with Danni as CEO and Jason Donovan assistant manager?

We should be so lucky.....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: leftside on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:21:16
Seeing as Sheena Easton isn't Antipodean, how about Kylie Minogue, with Danni as CEO and Jason Donovan assistant manager?
And Nick Cave as physio.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:24:03
I guess Savage Garden would be looking after our pitch?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:37:48
I guess Savage Garden would be looking after our pitch?

I can't see that working out well. They believe the grass is always greener on the other side.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:43:17
As long as we don't put Rolf in charge of the youth teams


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 28, 2021, 15:44:33
Enough already!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Monday, June 28, 2021, 16:04:30
To be fair the muppet Rolf would have done a better job than Sheridan



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, June 28, 2021, 16:09:11
To be fair the muppet Rolf would have done a better job than Sheridan



If we're going Muppets then Beaker has got to be a good punt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, June 28, 2021, 16:09:48
Sheridan drawing his 'tactics' on the board to confused looks on the players faces, asking them "can you guess what it is yet?"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 18:05:52
Chris Powell. Iíve had a sneaky Erskine Henty


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 08:17:58
The new manager would surely have to be someone out of work, he would have been approached agreed to the job and will surely be doing his homework on players before anything official is announced, so when he does sign he knows the players he wants to sign if they are still available, and will be maybe talking to agents.

Although if this was going on then you would have thought a name would be leaked so maybe it is total B%^^"!$ks


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 08:23:46
If the other stories flying around have any truth in them a manager is the least of our worries.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Townend80 on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 13:26:18
Zero chance of a new manager coming in. In near future. Unlikely Clem will take control before September


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: PowerUP on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 13:30:30
Zero chance of a new manager coming in. In near future. Unlikely Clem will take control before September

You are anti-clem then, get the fuck off the forum.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 13:34:41
You are anti-clem then, get the fuck off the forum.
You seem so angry


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: PowerUP on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 13:38:12
You seem so angry

Maybe it's my meds...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 13:45:55
Maybe it's my meds...

'roid rage Dolph?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 17:55:32
Troy Deeney player manager? Out of contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 18:10:44
I think he will have aspirations above Natnional league😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 18:12:59
No manager not desperate would not touch this shit show with a barge pole at the moment. WOuld you accept a job somewhere they don't pay the staff!

I know that in the past random fans have put in CV's when the managers job was up for grabs, this would probably be the only time that such submissions would have a pretty good chance of success.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 18:35:08
Zero chance of a new manager coming in. In near future. Unlikely Clem will take control before September

As soon as this goes through plenty of positions will be confirmed including the Manager.
The challenge being when, less if at present.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Townend80 on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 20:50:42
You are anti-clem then, get the fuck off the forum.

No Iím massively pro Clem. Lee power is a massive cockwomble but he wonít sell unless heís forced. Thought that was obvious?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Robinz on Thursday, July 1, 2021, 22:35:51
Surely LL has a good idea with terminating new members whilst this shit situation is happening ???


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 10:36:36
So Garner is contracted until June 2024.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 10:37:12
New info.

not sure how I feel about that given I'm not sure how I feel about Garner.

it doesn't seem unreasonable, but results will dictate that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 10:39:07
How did you feel when Luke Williams was given a five year deal😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 10:41:57
New info.

not sure how I feel about that given I'm not sure how I feel about Garner.

it doesn't seem unreasonable, but results will dictate that
Agreed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 10:47:47
New info.

not sure how I feel about that given I'm not sure how I feel about Garner.

it doesn't seem unreasonable, but results will dictate that

Garner wonít be going anywhere soon unless he walks away.
The model will be based on loans and cheaper non league players to develop.

Will be interesting to see where we are with the current players we have and whether any of them will be actually offered improved terms to keep them.
I really hope so but I am expecting a significant complete rebuild.

Personally will get the last games out of the way and await the intent of the Board.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 11:01:29
yes Duke, let's see if fears are realised. if they are I would hope the advisory board lay out accounts to show why


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 12:00:09
yes Duke, let's see if fears are realised. if they are I would hope the advisory board lay out accounts to show why

Not going to get taken in with numbers in a spreadsheet or a roof on a stand.
Intent on the pitch the only way I will judge next season.

The Club have been backed superbly well by the fans in the time of need, no more free hits as detest this shite league and all thatís in it.
We should be challenging for a top 3 finish with what is at our disposal.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 12:27:03
I think we'll keep the core of the current squad and I'd like to think we'd improve on it. Loans are a necessity at this level, as much as I dislike it, every other club does it and by not doing it we're missing out on good talent for low cost and that will put us at a disadvantage. I'm not expecting a huge rebuild. The players enjoy it here and it would take big offers for them to leave.

Garner gets a pass for this season purely because of the shit that's happened but next year he'll be under a lot of scrutiny... and not just from the fans. If we have strong recruitment in the summer and the decent crowds continue and we're not challenging next year I don't think he'll last the season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 13:29:56
You need to build a solid side and then add extra quality through loans.

The problem is the basis of our team are loans (and this isnít just Garner, has been the case for some time).

This year was understandable considering how quickly the team was built, but would like to see us playing more of our own players.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 14:03:33
I think we'll keep the core of the current squad and I'd like to think we'd improve on it. Loans are a necessity at this level, as much as I dislike it, every other club does it and by not doing it we're missing out on good talent for low cost and that will put us at a disadvantage. I'm not expecting a huge rebuild. The players enjoy it here and it would take big offers for them to leave.

Garner gets a pass for this season purely because of the shit that's happened but next year he'll be under a lot of scrutiny... and not just from the fans. If we have strong recruitment in the summer and the decent crowds continue and we're not challenging next year I don't think he'll last the season.

Working on the assumption that Lyden probably is either not here or injured, the "core" provides this potential starting XI

JoJo
Hunt
Iandolo
Conroy
Odimayo
Reed
Gladwin
Aguilar
Payne
Williams
McKirdy

That is if everyone signs back on for next season.

The defence is as bad as the one that got us relegated here and leaked goals at it's worst this season
The midfield remain soft, while decent on the ball
The forward line lacks strikers

It's unlikely we keep everyone, so that's still a rebuild regardless.  That starting XI would be no better than mid table.  It's just so flakey without the ball and passive with it (with maybe two exceptions in Reed and McKirdy - the two most likely to attract interest).

That spine needs three or four players added that are not loans.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 14:15:39
Unfortunately in L1 and L2 many teams rely very heavily on loan players, if you strike lucky and have 2 or 3 good loan signings there is a great chance you will have a brilliant season.

Look at Blackpool in L1 last season, they had 3 excellent loans including Simms from Everton who bagged a goal every other game, him signing in January changed their season from mediocrity to a promotion one. Also us with Yates and Doyle in L2.

Bristol Rovers season has hinged on them making loan signings Thomas, Connelly, Taylor and Anderson, 3 of those in January kickstarted their season.

Our season faltered losing Simpson but the other loan signings JOB, Cooper, Barry and Tomlinson have made a difference when fit with Davison the only one qho I consider to be inferior to the player they all replaced.

Here is the loan player count for each club in current league position order, there is little correlation between less loans=better team etc as the 3 sides with 6 current loan players are spread out at 7, 15 and 24th with 9 clubs having 5 loan players and 8 with 4 loanees, leaving only 4 teams with 1 or 2.

FGR - 2
Exeter - 4
Port Vale - 4
Mansfield - 5
Northampton - 5
B Rovers - 5
Newport - 6
Salford - 2
Tranmere - 4
Sutton - 1
Swindon - 5
Crawley - 4
Hartlepool - 5
Orient - 5
Bradford - 6
Rochdale - 4
Harrogate - 5
Walsall - 4
Carlisle - 5
Colchester - 5
Barrow - 4
Oldham - 1
Stevenage - 4
Scunthorpe - 6



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 15:08:52
Manager contract lengths are essentially pointless. Donít think it makes any difference in how quickly heís gone if we underperform


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 12, 2022, 15:18:16
Unfortunately in L1 and L2 many teams rely very heavily on loan players, if you strike lucky and have 2 or 3 good loan signings there is a great chance you will have a brilliant season.

Look at Blackpool in L1 last season, they had 3 excellent loans including Simms from Everton who bagged a goal every other game, him signing in January changed their season from mediocrity to a promotion one. Also us with Yates and Doyle in L2.

Bristol Rovers season has hinged on them making loan signings Thomas, Connelly, Taylor and Anderson, 3 of those in January kickstarted their season.

Our season faltered losing Simpson but the other loan signings JOB, Cooper, Barry and Tomlinson have made a difference when fit with Davison the only one qho I consider to be inferior to the player they all replaced.

Here is the loan player count for each club in current league position order, there is little correlation between less loans=better team etc as the 3 sides with 6 current loan players are spread out at 7, 15 and 24th with 9 clubs having 5 loan players and 8 with 4 loanees, leaving only 4 teams with 1 or 2.

FGR - 2
Exeter - 4
Port Vale - 4
Mansfield - 5
Northampton - 5
B Rovers - 5
Newport - 6
Salford - 2
Tranmere - 4
Sutton - 1
Swindon - 5
Crawley - 4
Hartlepool - 5
Orient - 5
Bradford - 6
Rochdale - 4
Harrogate - 5
Walsall - 4
Carlisle - 5
Colchester - 5
Barrow - 4
Oldham - 1
Stevenage - 4
Scunthorpe - 6



Whenever I hear ďwe shouldnít go down the route of young loan playersĒ Iíve often assumed itís common practice for teams to have a number of them. Itís just normal practice now in the lower leagues so thanks for confirming that.

Never had a problem with it myself, itís the way of modern football once all the big clubs started nicking any young youth who showed the small amount of talent


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 14:50:04
I think its about having that strong spine to the team and then supplementing with loan players, next season we can't run the risk of relying so heavily (deliberately) on a loan player that like Simpson if he gets injured or recalled then it disrupts the promotion push.

I expect nothing less than a strong promotion push next season with the aim to get into L1 (lets face it its very unlikely to happen this season now).

I don't expect Clem to chuck silly money at a promotion push but would expect with the embargo lifted able to sign a slightly better class of player by paying more in wages, and if possible and required small transfer fee.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 18:03:43
I think its about having that strong spine to the team and then supplementing with loan players, next season we can't run the risk of relying so heavily (deliberately) on a loan player that like Simpson if he gets injured or recalled then it disrupts the promotion push.

I expect nothing less than a strong promotion push next season with the aim to get into L1 (lets face it its very unlikely to happen this season now).

I don't expect Clem to chuck silly money at a promotion push but would expect with the embargo lifted able to sign a slightly better class of player by paying more in wages, and if possible and required small transfer fee.

Difficult to interpret Dukes comments into hard facts regarding recruitment next season. A lot of people happily declined a refund on last seasons ST money. So to repay that next season with a lacklustre squad however that looks wonít go down well. In seven years time having redeveloped CG in L2 with hardly anyone in it is not going to work is it?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 18:29:45
Expecting similar things next season - some good results and perhaps a decent run at some point.  Ultimately, however, the season will end with a finish between 8th to 12th place.

A bit more investment is unlikely to compete with those clubs coming down from div 3 and those coming up from the conference.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 19:11:59
Expecting similar things next season - some good results and perhaps a decent run at some point.  Ultimately, however, the season will end with a finish between 8th to 12th place.

A bit more investment is unlikely to compete with those clubs coming down from div 3 and those coming up from the conference.

absolute pointless speculation and guess work.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 19:36:59
absolute pointless speculation and guess work.

So hardly out of place on this forum  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, April 14, 2022, 07:15:24
So hardly out of place on this forum  :girlgiggle:

of course. but to predict our form during a season that hasn't taken place yet without any signings and when our current season season hasn't even finished is taking speculation to the highest limit


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, April 14, 2022, 07:19:07
He's psychic :dancer:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 14, 2022, 08:24:54
Reg would be fully behind this..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:39:25
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-poised-to-appoint-swindon-towns-ben-garner-as-new-manager/


Surely not hahahaha


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:41:59
What the fuck


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:43:51
He can fuck off then, ditched at the first opportunity


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:48:13
Christ surely not?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:49:16
Fucking hell. Iím not too upset.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:49:55
Oh dear.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: hefty toe on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:51:53
Quite surprised that Charlton went for Garner really. Still very much a work in progress. Guess he'll want to bring Reed, Williams et al. Another summer without continuity. Sigh.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:53:29
Think our current structure leaves us in a good position for things like this, assuming we keep Chorley and the back room staff.

Hey, he could barely win a game at home. Not overly fussed about this one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:54:54
Think our current structure leaves us in a good position for things like this, assuming we keep Chorley and the back room staff.

Hey, he could barely win a game at home. Not overly fussed about this one.

Agree, I'd trust Chorley to make the next appointment.

Left field but wonder if there's any chance Davison might be included in the compo package?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 20:56:11
Nothing surprises me anymore, in football in general or STFC in particular...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:01:47
Let's use the compo and get Wellens back.

Yes I'm serious.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crozzer on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:03:35
Michael Flynn?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:03:38
Gareth Barry incoming?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:03:41
Iíll be honest, not really bothered by this. Shows his true character & we get a few quid


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:05:07
Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to followÖ..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crozzer on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:07:21
Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to followÖ..

You don't have to be Mystic Meg to predict that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:07:29
Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to followÖ..

Of course he is. His main snitch at Swindon left a season ago.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:07:54
I'd rather keep Reed than Garner.

I think that says a lot.

Either way, we're pretty fucked now.

You have to laugh or you'll cry.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:08:05
London man takes job in his city with higher wages in a higher league. Next. Letís see who we can get in


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:08:20
True character?  Wanting to take your career up a level doesn't show a lack of character.  It shows ambition.

This is hardly the end of the world.  Garner had talent, but he had faults/weaknesses as well.  Plenty of time to find a replacement.  Not ideal, but we'll manage and we'll move on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:08:31
Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to followÖ..

Payne and Wollacott would make a lot more sense with the contractual situation.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crozzer on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:10:13
True character?  Wanting to take your career up a level doesn't show a lack of character.  It shows ambition.

This is hardly the end of the world.  Garner had talent, but he had faults/weaknesses as well.  Plenty of time to find a replacement.  Not ideal, but we'll manage and we'll move on.


Timing is a positive, but think that Garner is making a mistake, too soon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:10:23
True character?  Wanting to take your career up a level doesn't show a lack of character.  It shows ambition.

This is hardly the end of the world.  Garner had talent, but he had faults/weaknesses as well.  Plenty of time to find a replacement.  Not ideal, but we'll manage and we'll move on.

Well it does to a point when he said ďIím here for 3 years & the projectĒ. Anyhow, not at all bothered as I wanted him gone last December with the mundane football at the time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:10:58
Not bothered about this. Home form wasnít great only a handful of decent performances all season. He was one dimensional and just didnít seem able to manage a game out- you only have to look at a Colchester away.

Move on


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:11:01
They're welcome to Williams and Reed. That'll be 500k each minimum please. Remaining debt cleared off. Lovely stuff.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:18:02
Wow! This has come out of nowhere. Wouldnít be overly upset but then who do we replace him with is the big question. Looking at the fact the same old Ďnamesí Keri getting jobs there canít be that many options. I guess someone like Garrard would be an obvious contender.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:20:10
il chuck in a name that i would be absolutely desperate for. Michael Carrick- he got to the final 2 of the lincoln job i think. Has a link to swindon, unbelievable player and would have great contacts in the game. When i saw he was job hunting i was thinking to myself its a shame we dont have a vacancy!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:21:08
Charlton fan comments on Twitter appear underwhelmed.  Will be interesting to see how his playing style/philosophy translates to League 1.  If anything, I think it could be more effective with a slightly higher calibre of player with better technical abilities.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:21:12
Get Michael Carrick in. Doubt he'd come but fuck it, lets start throwing out some random names.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:21:37
il chuck in a name that i would be absolutely desperate for. Michael Carrick- he got to the final 2 of the lincoln job i think. Has a link to swindon, unbelievable player and would have great contacts in the game. When i saw he was job hunting i was thinking to myself its a shame we dont have a vacancy!

Would like this


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:22:15
il chuck in a name that i would be absolutely desperate for. Michael Carrick- he got to the final 2 of the lincoln job i think. Has a link to swindon, unbelievable player and would have great contacts in the game. When i saw he was job hunting i was thinking to myself its a shame we dont have a vacancy!

Well, beat me to that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:22:39
What a fucking club man 😂😂😂 Ben garner has had our pants down ainít he 😂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:24:56
Luke Garrard would be my guess


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:26:16
Is Garner leaving confirmed or just speculation🤔


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:28:10
Is Garner leaving confirmed or just speculation🤔

Local press in London


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:28:43
Cheers as I couldn't see anything local.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:29:24
This is so Swindon Town, isnít it?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:30:00
fucks sake


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:30:29
They considered Cooper when they appointed Garner. Copper having just got the Barrow job and who is now unemployed?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:30:32
We like to be different!
John McGrael anyone😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:33:06
Already seeing calls for Paul Caddis - what coaching experience does he have? Heís been running his own soccer schools recently hasnít he (no disrespect meant, but itís not as if he has been coaching within the professional game) - sentiment aside, feels an odd one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:34:59
No smoke without fire, further positive cash flow.
Letís see where the intention is?
After all was a relatively cheap appointment at the time.

Canít fault his first season in fairness.
However more of a coach than an out and out Manager.

Wellens v Garner only as a debate only one winner for me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:35:52
The worst that can happen is we have to start all over again. Just this time with nowhere near as much debt and no embargo.

It's not ideal but it's exciting. This is what lower league is all about.

We're all part of a food chain. Wellens and Garner both had one good season with us after failing in their previous jobs. There is no loyalty. Both have jumped at the first opportunity.

Let's see what happens!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:36:43
Ryan Mason also mentioned which I'd be behind also. We're almost certainly going down the promising coach a la Ipswich/Franchise.

Interesting times


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:38:38
Amazed at how many of you are happy to wave him off into the sunset. I'd be reasonably confident that with a more settled squad, lessons learned from this season, a full pre season etc that we could really push for autos with Garner next season. The grass is rarely greener.

After all, to quote one of our former managers, "It's Swindon Town".


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:39:56
Carrick or Garrard seem obvious choices if attainable.

People thinking Carrick wouldn't go for it? I'd think he'd be desperate to kick start his management career the same place that kick started his playing career.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:41:59
Amazed at how many of you are happy to wave him off into the sunset. I'd be reasonably confident that with a more settled squad, lessons learned from this season, a full pre season etc that we could really push for autos with Garner next season. The grass is rarely greener.

After all, to quote one of our former managers, "It's Swindon Town".
Minded to agree. A known quantity, with the factors mentioned above in his favour approaching his second season.

That we operated with only one senior striker in our squad and topped the charts for goals is remarkable in hindsight.

Iíd be happy with Carrick or MasonÖbut have a feeling it will be someone none of us have heard of.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:43:38
the Reed and Williams following thing... that's the kick in the balls if it happens


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:44:35
Heís done well. But I canít find it within me to be upset about him leaving. Just donít feel that bothered. Looking forward more to who we replace him with rather than lamenting that heís left


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:44:42
McKirdy would also be a possibility


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:46:27
May as well say 6 players leaving to join Garner. Letís take a chill pill here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:46:52
Williams is the obvious link given he has more or less said previously that working with Garner again was the main reason he joined.

That said, he was at Charlton previously wasnít he, not sure how well thought of he was or in what circumstances that spell ended?

Charlton fans seem thoroughly underwhelmed from what Iíve read.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:47:09
Where are people getting Reed and Williams following from? Has that been reported?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:47:43
the Reed and Williams following thing... that's the kick in the balls if it happens

Reed possibly but didn't Williams have a poor spell at Charlton? Not sure they would want him back. Either way they are both under contract so they would have to buy them.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:47:44
I can live without Garner, but Iím gutted weíre going to miss out on a season of continuity - and wave goodbye to the players we thought 24 hours ago would form the core of our squad.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:51:57
Where are people getting Reed and Williams following from? Has that been reported?

fans putting two & two together & getting FIVE.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:52:43
fans putting two & two together & getting FIVE.

People are talking about it like its a formality.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:53:25
Not too fussed if he does leave. He's shown glimpses of good management this season, but at the same time made plenty of mistakes. I'd be gutted if Reed and Williams left but are they good enough for League One? Would Charlton actually pay for them? I like them both as players but not sure they would be good enough for a League One team who would be looking to be in the promotion mix.

Either way, more cash in the bank to help a new manager build a squad capable of getting out of this god forsaken division.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:57:26
A surprising development but I am left feeling a bit meh - if true


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:58:33
More turmoil the club could do without


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 21:59:49
It is the frustration of being back to square one again. It would have just been nice to have one normal summer and preseason!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Whingy the poo on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:00:07
Pure speculation and stirring (IMO). :sherlock:

We had the same thing with Mark Cooper when he was supposedly off to Sheffield Wednesday in 2015 and it didn't happen.  
 
Ill believe it when its official, if true what kind of figure could we expect compensation wise? :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:00:45
At least the timing isn't horrendous. Time to get new men in and plan for next season. With a nice wedge of compo in the bank.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:01:31
More turmoil the club could do without

Itís hardly turmoil - itís football.
It happens literally every other week.


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:01:34
People are talking about it like its a formality.
  Well to quote John McGreal... It's Swindon Town

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:01:59
Funny thing is after the Leyton Orient home game he would have had precisely no chance of any other job and that was only 6 games ago. We would have probably been spending the summer debating whether he was the right man for the job as well. Itís only really the run of 4 wins to creep into the playoffs that got fans on board so I think thatís why most people are nonplussed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:02:32
Pure speculation and stirring (IMO). :sherlock:

We had the same thing with Mark Cooper when he was supposedly off to Sheffield Wednesday in 2015 and it didn't happen.  
 
Ill believe it when its official, if true what kind of figure could we expect compensation wise? :hmmm:

If it is true it's disappointing that the Charlton "in the know's" have the exclusive over own own😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:04:19
Itís hardly turmoil - itís football.
It happens literally every other week.

It could be turmoil as we don't know the reasons behind him leaving unless you can enlighten us


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:07:58
Funny thing is after the Leyton Orient home game he would have had precisely no chance of any other job and that was only 6 games ago. We would have probably been spending the summer debating whether he was the right man for the job as well. Itís only really the run of 4 wins to creep into the playoffs that got fans on board so I think thatís why most people are nonplussed.

Exactly this. He has showed laughable tactical naivety at times this season? Credit to him, he's shown willingness to change and improve but there was still a lingering doubt we'd go back to the same during a non run in situation.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:11:01
If he goes, I fear heíll do another Wellens where the grass isnít always greener. Heís proved this season he has potential after a disastrous time at Rovers and creating the best attacking team in the league. Kudos! However, the other side of the double edged knife is that he failed to get a team promoted from League Two with the best attacking footballing team in the league and 5 teams less attacking finished higher..

Sad if he goes that weíll lose that continuity. Excited if he goes in hope we get a headline statement manager to dominate this league with McKirdy, Reed and Williams at the centre of it all.

It ainít Swindon Town unless there is drama somewhereÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:11:46
Hmm don't really have strong feelings one way or the other.  

On the one hand he seemed to build a brilliant spirit within the squad. I felt he stood a good chance of going one better and getting us promoted next season.

On the other hand he came out with some bizarre comments in interviews and never managed any sort of consistency at home.

We could have done without it but if you were to pick a time for this to happen this is it. New man has weeks to build his squad which is rare and may attract a higher quality of applicant if they know they're coming in with a clean slate and an instant chance to mould their own players into a team.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:13:57
It could be turmoil as we don't know the reasons behind him leaving unless you can enlighten us

Pretty straightforward, he's had an offer from a club in a higher division, great opportunity for his managerial career


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:14:10
I think with regards to Garner - we were really going to see what he was made of next season.
Would he be able to tactically see out games?
Would we be able to play with the same intensity as the last 6/7 games of this season when we were effectively playing knock out football?
Would he sign Ďdifferentí types of players?

I guess weíll never knowÖ

Onto the next oneÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:16:26
Öand tbh the fact he might take players with him (particularly those ooc) like Egbo & Payne worry me more than Garner going.

Obviously Williams and Reed under contract so would command a fee.

I guess we werent in a position to effectively tell Charlton to do one


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:16:56
Pretty straightforward, he's had an offer from a club in a higher division, great opportunity for his managerial career

You're probably right but there's been plenty of murmurs on here about the players budget being slashed etc so there could be stuff going on behind the scenes he's not happy about.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:18:50
John McGreal anyone?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:21:35
John McGreal anyone?

Has he been paid off yet? Wouldn't be the first time a manager we hadn't paid off came back (King who was actually officially manager the whole time, Roy Evans was officially Director of Football)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:32:33
John McGreal anyone?
Nah. The whole saga around his appointment is still very dodgy IMO.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 22:34:02
You're probably right but there's been plenty of murmurs on here about the players budget being slashed etc so there could be stuff going on behind the scenes he's not happy about.

Rumour shumours Jimmy!! :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 00:25:23
I'll keep one eye on Charlton's home form this season


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 01:23:29
Compo will be minimal as based on wage.

I think it's a shame he's going.  I've been critical of some of the one dimensional negative footy we got back around Xmas, the tactical change to combat Bradford's average team at home when we were the form team in the league and then not changing it back until we'd shipped a few etc.  

However, I also think he became more pragmatic as the season went on and we only really lost games when our small squad was tested, EG Mckirdy injured or Reed suspended or the last game when they just looked knackered.

To go from where we were a week before the trip to Scunthorpe, to the top scorers in the league, was some achievement and it would have been a big step forward to have that continuity with a decent spine if a team already in place.

Looking forward to next chapter let's hope it's a successful one.

Carrick and Mason would both be very welcome although Mason would probably be better off staying as coach at spurs for a few years.    Hadn't appreciated Carrick was unemployed, so that's not a stupid shout at all, if still unlikely.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 04:42:03
Ex piss stain manager Appleton has been mentioned - may not be a bad choice.

When it comes to players leaving to follow Garner, I do hope they havenít got a clause in their contracts that allows them to leave on a free which, I believe, Payne had.

Iíve been critical of Garner most of the season for boring the pants off fans and being responsible for the complete lack of atmosphere at home games due to the meandering, pointless passing game he favours.

Canít argue about some stonking away performances, though.

With the quality squad we had, though, we really ought to have got an auto place. 9 home wins all season was pathetic.

All in all, Iím glad heís off.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:03:54
While I can understand people being critical about the home form and the tippy tappy football (to quote an old manager), I think some are forgetting the backroom staff. We managed to get more games out of Baudry, Conroy and Iandolo than anyone else has. We even got a bit out of Lyden. Then there is the way that Williams and Egbo's fitnesses were managed.

To me, the biggest loss would be the infrastructure and training regime put in place by Garner. That appears (from the outside) to be a big part of what the management team offered.

Frustrating to be rebuilding again, but, every problem provides an opportunity.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:12:20
Minded to agree. A known quantity, with the factors mentioned above in his favour approaching his second season.

That we operated with only one senior striker in our squad and topped the charts for goals is remarkable in hindsight.

Iíd be happy with Carrick or MasonÖbut have a feeling it will be someone none of us have heard of.

Iíd be happy with Carrick or MasonÖbut have a feeling it will be someone none of us have heard of.

This. The compensation for Garner and any player contracted that follows him out the door to Charlton or A N Other club will be banked thank you very much. Weíll end up with a bargain basement manager (in terms of expenditure) who may or may not be any good but we will soon find out and players of the similar financial ilk. We will NOT IMHO be splashing the cash on a manager or players we have to spend money on if it can be avoided.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:15:30
Matt Taylor will be someone who would apply!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:20:55
One thing Garner also deserves credit for is the man management of McKirdy. Any new manager will have to manage him (no easy task Iíd imagine), or have a 20 goal striker up their sleeve. Very annoyed by all this. I was hoping we could get on and start announcing new signings within the next week or so. This puts the whole summer plan back and the board need to be shrewd. Nobody had heard of Ryan Manning 2 years ago, and heís now one of the brightest young manager in the country, so we need to be open minded.

If we act fast, and make the right appointment, you never know, the new manager may convince the core of this team to stay and we can build rather than restart.

Hoping we donít see Ben Chorley leave for pastures new as wellÖ do Charlton have a DOF?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:29:43
One thing Garner also deserves credit for is the man management of McKirdy. Any new manager will have to manage him (no easy task Iíd imagine), or have a 20 goal striker up their sleeve. Very annoyed by all this. I was hoping we could get on and start announcing new signings within the next week or so. This puts the whole summer plan back and the board need to be shrewd. Nobody had heard of Ryan Manning 2 years ago, and heís now one of the brightest young manager in the country, so we need to be open minded.

If we act fast, and make the right appointment, you never know, the new manager may convince the core of this team to stay and we can build rather than restart.
They might not, as presumably, if the reason McKirdy wanted to stay isn't here anymore, then maybe he might want to move to be with Garner?

All 'if, buts and maybe's' at the moment. Time will tell.

Charlie Austin player manager anyone?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:40:03
I presume Charlton are looking at getting promoted next season, but you donít achieve that by signing players who are too good for L2 - you need players that are too good for L1.

If Charlton are looking at our level for their next manager why didnít they approach Taylor at Exeter?

Carrick would fit the bill here. Experienced youth manager, wonít be too bothered about salary and he seems desperate for that first step on the managerial ladder.

A lot will depend if the new man is willing to work with a DoF or not.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 05:48:23
If Charlton are looking at our level for their next manager why didnít they approach Taylor at Exeter?

Who's to say they haven't? Sure he was linked with Charlton not that long ago.

In fact: https://www.devonlive.com/sport/football/football-news/exeter-city-boss-matt-taylor-7128237


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bewster on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 06:07:10
The largest annoyance here is the lack of continuity and the risk of players leaving on the back of it.

I think he had a great first season and managed the situation and some players well, getting the best of of them.

However I do think he lucked out changing to 433 when it was the only real option and it clicked. There was tactical naivety in many games.

I think Rob and Clem will make the right choice for the club, I trust them more than Power.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 06:10:59
Iíd trust Boris Johnson more than Power.

It does scream a budget appointment for Charlton, though. Their fans are much like we were when we appointed him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 06:27:07
One thing Garner also deserves credit for is the man management of McKirdy. Any new manager will have to manage him (no easy task Iíd imagine), or have a 20 goal striker up their sleeve. Very annoyed by all this. I was hoping we could get on and start announcing new signings within the next week or so. This puts the whole summer plan back and the board need to be shrewd. Nobody had heard of Ryan Manning 2 years ago, and heís now one of the brightest young manager in the country, so we need to be open minded.

If we act fast, and make the right appointment, you never know, the new manager may convince the core of this team to stay and we can build rather than restart.

Hoping we donít see Ben Chorley leave for pastures new as wellÖ do Charlton have a DOF?

Not saying youíre wrong but whose to say being jobless in the summer with little interest was a wake up call for McKirdy and that his form his down to him rather than Garner?

Not saying thatís the case just playing devils advocate. Also if McKirdy hadnít of scored 20+ goals where would we have finished?

Did Garner luck into a 20 goal striker who fired us up the table above our station? Or did he create a 20 goal striker who deservedly fired us up the table.

I guess time will tell and weíll have to wait and see what McKirdy produces next season.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 06:42:39
From a pure football appointment not bitterly disappointed but he has done well first season.
Was a cheap option and brought in to develop and coach young players - he passed that test.

As a Manager I have my reservations and still believe a yes Man controlled from the top.
Canít see Chorley staying and actually thought he would be going before Garner.

Just wondering the intent now from Hierarchy at the top and what they do next?
As this seasons model will be the same as last, cheap young loanees and development, I would think another Garner type coach will be brought in.
The debt is being reduced and no doubt ground purchase and an asset appears to be the main priority however the fans have backed the project and need to see investment on the pitch.

We need to be competing in the top 6 clubs at least in this division for talent.
Last season a free hit, this one we simply have to be challenging a top 3 finish.

Interesting month ahead.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: river monster on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:41:57
Ben Garner and Johnnie Jackson to pass each other on the m4?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:45:24
Ben Garner and Johnnie Jackson to pass each other on the m4?

JJ was just appointed AFC Wimbledon manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:46:58
Here we go again!

Im a bit Meh ref Garner.

Had a free hit and fell short but hit a height of expectation that was not expected!

Good luck to him....im and old cunt and am not attracted to the new style of Coach such as Williams and Garner.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:49:08
Had a free hit and fell short but hit a height of expectation that was not expected!

(https://c.tenor.com/WeLDYNcN4tsAAAAd/what.gif)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:52:18
Initial reaction is that this is a blow since it stalls the momentum we have built over the season and might put doubts in the minds of some of the players, especially those yet to sign a new deal. However, it's all about the replacement. Get the right person in and maybe we can excite those players and attract the right new recruits too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:52:31
I expected to win the Play Offs last week.

Pre season at Weymouth i expected a battle to stay in the League.

So...the expectation was increased.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:55:42
On a point of order, is this now the Ďnew, new, new manager threadí ?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 07:58:36
Quote
Morfuni said in a statement released by the club that he was keen to implement a DoF and head coach model rather than a traditional manager "because I want continuity to run through the club."

Morfuni went on to highlight that if the head coach moves on for whatever reason, the philosophy of the club remains the same and the playing staff would then not need "a complete overhaul" every summer.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19459552.ben-garner-named-swindon-town-manager---ben-chorley-appointed-director-football/

Time to put this to the test! I've seen Carrick, Mason and Garrard all mentioned. No idea how realistic these are but I'd be fairly pleased to see any of them given the chance.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:02:42
At least the club will get some compensation

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20166106.ben-garner-set-leave-swindon-town-become-charlton-athletic-boss---reports/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:05:20
Shit from Garner. Don't think he'll last the season at Charlton who won't accept anything less than promotion it seems (probably could say the same about us next season)

Throws some instability into the momentum that was building and that is incredibly disappointing. I wasn't too gutted at Vale because I thought we'd have a real crack next season and this certainly puts a spanner in


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:06:08
Luke Garrard would be a good choice, done a great job at Boreham Wood.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: river monster on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:07:29
JJ was just appointed AFC Wimbledon manager

Ah missed that, cheers.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:08:57
I'm surprised Paul Tusdale hasn't yet been mentioned not that we want him here😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:09:37
Luke Garrard would be a good choice, done a great job at Boreham Wood.

Couldnít say that Iíve watched much of Boreham Wood, but arenít they a fairly physical side? Wouldnít be a natural fit with the squad and DOF if so.

Iím expecting someone with a background in youth coaching. Itíd be fun if it was a Carrick/Mason type name but that only increases the risk of them getting poached again the first time we put a decent run together.

We do seem to have had an above average amount of managers poached over the last decade or so, even the non-outstanding ones (Yes, I am looking at you Mr. Flitcroft)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:11:31
They played some decent football in the FA Cup games earlier this year


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:14:34
From a pure football appointment not bitterly disappointed but he has done well first season.
Was a cheap option and brought in to develop and coach young players - he passed that test.

As a Manager I have my reservations and still believe a yes Man controlled from the top.
Canít see Chorley staying and actually thought he would be going before Garner.

Just wondering the intent now from Hierarchy at the top and what they do next?
As this seasons model will be the same as last, cheap young loanees and development, I would think another Garner type coach will be brought in.
The debt is being reduced and no doubt ground purchase and an asset appears to be the main priority however the fans have backed the project and need to see investment on the pitch.

We need to be competing in the top 6 clubs at least in this division for talent.
Last season a free hit, this one we simply have to be challenging a top 3 finish.

Interesting month ahead.
Very interesting month. Think you will be spot on about Chorley, i can see the whole management team including him there at Charlton. Garner really leans on them and Chorley in particular


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:16:33
At least itís good timing relatively speaking, signings never really start to happen until contracts expire in another month or so and thatís Chorleyís job anyway.

No reason why a new gaffer canít be in place by whenever the players report back for preseason and disruption will be minimal


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:17:18
Shit from Garner. Don't think he'll last the season at Charlton who won't accept anything less than promotion it seems (probably could say the same about us next season)

Throws some instability into the momentum that was building and that is incredibly disappointing. I wasn't too gutted at Vale because I thought we'd have a real crack next season and this certainly puts a spanner in

I mean honestly - do managers even want to last at clubs these days?

Surely there is more money in getting sacked and paid off every 6 months!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:18:40
Cant we tap Wellens up😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:20:20
Into the Valley.  :band:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:23:59
Into the Valley.  :band:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9udxbvHiqGw


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:24:31
At least itís good timing relatively speaking, signings never really start to happen until contracts expire in another month or so and thatís Chorleyís job anyway.

No reason why a new gaffer canít be in place by whenever the players report back for preseason and disruption will be minimal
Agre to an extent, but the flip side is that players might hold off signing until they know for sure who the manager's going to be. or just sign elsewhere. If we can get the right replacement in within a fortnight then no worries at all.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:24:44
Very interesting month. Think you will be spot on about Chorley, i can see the whole management team including him there at Charlton. Garner really leans on them and Chorley in particular

They already have Steve Gallen in a "DOF" type role. Different title mind, but role seems basically the same.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:24:52
Already seen someone try to put forward a case for Dyche being a realistic target  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:27:04
Tim Cahill Clems Aussie friend


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:29:24
Fuck, letís roll it back and hire Paolo Di CanioÖand win this league anywayÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:30:54
They already have Steve Gallen in a "DOF" type role. Different title mind, but role seems basically the same.
Let's go get Gallen


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:31:32
Fuck, letís roll it back and hire Paolo Di CanioÖand win this league anywayÖ

Picaretta is possibly a reasonable target. Has said he's keen a few times before.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:31:42
Fuck, letís roll it back and hire Paolo Di CanioÖand win this league anywayÖ

How long did it take you to get over the first bird who dumped you?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:34:42
How long did it take you to get over the first bird who dumped you?

Nowhere near as long as it took me to get over selling FjortoftÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:36:00
I'm not meh about it. Had a real chance to build on his excellent work this season with a good squad,the majority of which may have stayed and now may not. The disruption which may follow if some of those players leave may be too much to mount a similar challenge. That's my fear.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:36:28
The 1990 demotion was worse than any relationship break up😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:37:48
Some of the names people are suggesting on social media show truly how out of touch with reality or common sense some fans are.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:43:44
Some of the names people are suggesting on social media show truly how out of touch with reality or common sense some fans are.

Who's being mentioned?  Could do with a laugh.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:44:49
Who's being mentioned?  Could do with a laugh.

Iíve seen Stuart Pearce get a mention - as heís just left West Ham.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:46:58
Sean Dyche was mentioned on Facebook. The worst part is, that probably won't even end up as #1 ridiculous suggestion by close of play today.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:51:06
Really don't fancy going down the old warrior dog path, not that Clem, Angus and Chorley would want to anyway but suggestions like that demonstrate that all some people want is PAAASHHHHONNNN!!!!!!

(https://d3nfwcxd527z59.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2019/03/22141257/Stuart-Pearce-England-Spain-Euro-96.jpg)



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:52:45
Surprised? Yes.
Disappointed? A bit
Conclusion? Itís Swindon isnít it. To coin a phrase.

Got over the play off defeat more or less straight away. Got over this by the time I went to bed last night.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:54:03
I would love Simon Ferry just for the interviews...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:54:23
Really don't fancy going down the old warrior dog path, not that Clem, Angus and Chorley would want to anyway but suggestions like that demonstrate that all some people want is PAAASHHHHONNNN!!!!!!

(https://d3nfwcxd527z59.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2019/03/22141257/Stuart-Pearce-England-Spain-Euro-96.jpg)



Not only that but Pearce has tried his hand at management and the results were not great.

A name Iíve mentioned in the past is Duncan Ferguson partially because he has always had that fire on belly. Everton looked a lot better when he was caretaker in for a few games in Ď19.

Obviously passion isnít the only desirable trait.
That pics however is fucking immense


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 08:56:55
Picaretta is possibly a reasonable target. Has said he's keen a few times before.
A great and realistic shout. Favours a possession game so a relatively smooth transition.

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:00:38
Seen Jonathan Woodgate been mentioned a few times.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:03:19
Cristiano as player manager.  You read it here FIRST!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:04:30
I'm going for free agent Gareth Bale😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:04:34
Cristiano as player manager.  You read it here FIRST!

And last.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:05:11
I'm going for free agent Gareth Bale😀

How's the golf in Swindon?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:06:07
Yes Garner does rely on Chorley but I can't see Chorley going anywhere with Garner if he does go, his 2 assistants though...yes at least 1 will follow him for sure if not both Lindsey and Marshall.

I had heard that Chroley was a bit more than just DoF and was actively involved in transfers, tactics and team picking as well as style, maybe he will step up and take the managers job now?

I wouldnt mind Carrick, a good schooling at Man U previously and willing to drop to Lincoln so why not Swindon?

Do noit want a jobbing manager like Cooper again rather a recently retired top league footballer who wants a step up in management like Carrick or Noble (possibly) but who has not been tried and failed (Taylor).

I must admit I want continuity and felt Garner improved near the end finding a system that worked and we looked much harder to beat but for a man that has got us into the play offs I feel totally ambivalent to him leaving, just a bit "meh".

If he stays I will support him but if he leaves then thanks for last season and good luck, was always going to jump ship the first chance he got at managing higher or better clubs IMO. Could be the next Wellens as the grass rarely is greener.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:06:08
The French Miglioranzi, Zinedine Zidane


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:07:06
Seen Jonathan Woodgate been mentioned a few times.
No thanks!

His nickname at Lids was Village - short for village idiot.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:07:57
Charlton fan comments on Twitter appear underwhelmed.  Will be interesting to see how his playing style/philosophy translates to League 1.  If anything, I think it could be more effective with a slightly higher calibre of player with better technical abilities.

Charlton fans seem thoroughly underwhelmed from what Iíve read.

Well Charlton fans have a high opinion of him!

Quote
Gone before Christmas. Never been so underwhelmed

Ben fucking who are you Garner.

Deflating news. Not excited at all.

Nah. This isn't what I was expecting. This is a shocking move. Fs

All for giving people a chance but have to admit I am underwhelmed. Meant to play attacking football which is good but surprised by this.

Ben Garner Ö Totally underwhelmed.

Fully expecting most people to be underwhelmed by this but heís clearly done a good job at Swindon. At least we can press ahead with plans to get players in now. Certainly 1 or 2 at Swindon Iíd be taking a look at.

I will say Swindon impressed me last season when I watched them, played good attacking football. They played Forest Green Rovers off the park away from home. They looked good against City in FA cup, although Cityís class showed.

What a load of shit,,, a manger who canít even get a team out of league two. Sangard hasnít a clue what he is doing, taking us backwards

Massively underwhelmed.

I'll admit, despite not seeing any Swindon or knowing much outside of this thread about Garner, it is a bit underwhelming compared to Beale, Taylor and even Moris given what's been said about them.
But!
 He is supposed to play a high press to beat down the low block with attacking football so hopefully we get to see some clear development and a "style".
Edit: after reading the one Swindon fans view, maybe it'll take  a little while to get there... But as long as we do..

What on earth is he playing at. I wonder if people will continue to worship the ground that Sandgaard walks on after this appointment, absolutely bizarre.

I want to get out of this league! How did Swindon get on
this year?

People spitting their dummies out that we've signed a young, attacking-minded coach that is known to play good football. Jackson in comparison is just young.
I guess because he's not a 'name' people are not going to give him a chance.
Has been praised throughout his coaching and managerial career and his Swindon season after starting out in July with 7 players was great.

Ben fucking Garner.  Nothing against him & really hope he does well, but that's seriously underwhelming & so disappointing

McKirdy and their right back at the end of the season (Egbo?) looked decent, but I am severely underwhelmed by this

Wake up call to how shit we really are I suppose

Shambles if appointed

He got the boot from Bristol Rovers and couldnít even get Swindon out of League two, can hardly see the season ticket sales going through the roof. This was the opportunity for Sangard to make a statement and hires a bloke from a team in the lowest league

Happy if he signs McKirdy
Not happy if he plays Davison.

Weíve faffed around for weeks and ended up with a league 2 manager who couldnít achieve promotion from league 2, we need a good start to the season, or the fans will get on his back.

Seeing the mess Swindon were in was surprised to see them in the play offs so welcome Ben and good luck.

Fucking dreadful. Wife and her family are Rovers fans, he was useless there. Hated.

realistically will he make it past Christmas?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:08:03
Even excluding caretakers, we have employed 11 permanent managers over the last 11 years (Di Canio onwards); and employed 7 permanent managers in the decade before that.  Give or take, that's a new manager every season.  Goes some way to explaining the rut we've been in since the early 2000s.

It is depressing.  For all of the chat about who might come in, what their footballing philosophy might be, who they know and who their contacts are - we need to accept that the next appointment is also likely to be short term.  And that we're likely to be having the same conversation all over again in 12-18 months from now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:08:48
I would love Simon Ferry just for the interviews...
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Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:08:55
We're becoming the new Watford!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:10:16
It is depressing.  For all of the chat about who might come in, what their footballing philosophy might be, who they know and who their contacts are - we need to accept that the next appointment is also likely to be short term.  And that we're likely to be having the same conversation all over again in 12-18 months from now.
Absolutely true mate.

In football it is often "who you know" not "what you know" to help with loans and transfers etc. Like having someone at the club "ahem" Standing, who actually knew lots of players and their availability....just saying :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:10:32
Sol Campbell anyone?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:11:14
Am I surprised Garner is leaving? Yes after he signed an contract extension and was all about the project

Am I gutted he has gone? No just a bit disappointed but hey that is football

Am I worried? A little as he has left at the first chance he got. Worry is the reasons why he has left and players that might follow out the door. Hoping the reasons are just that Charlton are closer to home, a big club who should be challenging LG1/be a Championship club and a hefty pay rise.

Who will be next? Probably a name we haven't heard of but in the similar mould to Garner (develop young players, possession football). It is the project Clem wants and with a DoF, you keep that project goal in place, even with a change of manager.

Does seem the in thing with manager appointments - Getting someone from youth level (see Swansea w/ Cooper, Franchise, Ipswich, FGR and now Salford)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:11:16
Surprised? Yes.
Disappointed? A bit
Conclusion? Itís Swindon isnít it. To coin a phrase.

Got over the play off defeat more or less straight away. Got over this by the time I went to bed last night.
I wish I was you. Still going over those penalties in my head


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:11:33
And a definate no for Simon Ferry, no experience and I dont want the cub becoming a laughing stock.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:12:49
Yes Garner does rely on Chorley but I can't see Chorley going anywhere with Garner if he does go, his 2 assistants though...yes at least 1 will follow him for sure if not both Lindsey and Marshall.
Taking both apparently.

https://the72.co.uk/274219/charlton-athletics-proposed-new-boss-ben-garner-to-bring-swindon-town-pair-with-him-to-the-valley/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:12:58
Is Matty Taylor still available😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:18:17
I'll keep one eye on Charlton's home form this season

They have a big pitch don't they? His style of football might work there, but as you say it will be interesting to see.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:19:23
Fuck me I don't log on to the forum for 15 hours and this happens.

What will be will be, its typical Swindon. Seeing fans who have never taken to Garner and been very vocal about it, now bitching that he has chosen to take a job higher up the ladder is amusing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:19:40
Massive potential they had 25,000 v Plymouth when they sold cheap tickets.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:20:32
Yes Garner does rely on Chorley but I can't see Chorley going anywhere with Garner if he does go, his 2 assistants though...yes at least 1 will follow him for sure if not both Lindsey and Marshall.

I had heard that Chroley was a bit more than just DoF and was actively involved in transfers, tactics and team picking as well as style, maybe he will step up and take the managers job now?

Theyíll all go Ben x2 and Scott x2


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:21:42
From a pure football appointment not bitterly disappointed but he has done well first season.
Was a cheap option and brought in to develop and coach young players - he passed that test.

As a Manager I have my reservations and still believe a yes Man controlled from the top.
Canít see Chorley staying and actually thought he would be going before Garner.

Just wondering the intent now from Hierarchy at the top and what they do next?
As this seasons model will be the same as last, cheap young loanees and development, I would think another Garner type coach will be brought in.
The debt is being reduced and no doubt ground purchase and an asset appears to be the main priority however the fans have backed the project and need to see investment on the pitch.

We need to be competing in the top 6 clubs at least in this division for talent.
Last season a free hit, this one we simply have to be challenging a top 3 finish.

Interesting month ahead.

Think you are wrong about Chorley. He's very close with Clem and reckon he's very much a big part of the glue that makes/is going to make this 'project' work.

Also you seem to be a bit disparaging about the 'cheap young loanees'. I'd say apart from Gilbert Grape our loanees were on the whole a success. If KKH, Louis Barry, Cooper, Simpson etc are cheap young loanees then I'm more than happy. It's now maybe unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility that Simpson, Tomlinson and Davison could actually become permanent showing that the loan system might not be as throwaway as you make it sound.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:21:47
Weíll  have DJ back, please - theyíve been playing him as a wing back, apparently and not impressed.

Simpson will, no doubt, rock up at the Valley.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:22:37
And Tomlinson will stay here as part of the deal!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:24:07
And Tomlinson will stay here as part of the deal!

Tomlinson the Peterborough player?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:28:13
Austin as player manager?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:30:18
Think you are wrong about Chorley. He's very close with Clem and reckon he's very much a big part of the glue that makes/is going to make this 'project' work.

Also you seem to be a bit disparaging about the 'cheap young loanees'. I'd say apart from Gilbert Grape our loanees were on the whole a success. If KKH, Louis Barry, Cooper, Simpson etc are cheap young loanees then I'm more than happy. It's now maybe unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility that Simpson, Tomlinson and Davison could actually become permanent showing that the loan system might not be as throwaway as you make it sound.

Cant speak for Duke but the issue I have with lots of loans is - ultimately we are improving other teams players at the expense of our own and itís an even shorter term option that contracted player (who are usually on a 1 or 2 year deal)

Iíd agree with you the majority of our loans this season were good but ultimately weíre back to square one now theyíve all gone - we have nothing to show for their time here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:31:21
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

Some dreadful names on that list. Would be happy with either Mason or Carrick.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:32:24
Tomlinson the Peterborough player?

Apologies Davison


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:34:01
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

Some dreadful names on that list. Would be happy with either Mason or Carrick.

Haha Sol Campbell, would be good for shits and giggles at the reaction if it happened


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:34:06
https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

Some dreadful names on that list. Would be happy with either Mason or Carrick.

David Artell would fit the mould you'd think. I think a 'second job' candidate feels likely, but firmly not itk.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:35:46
Ferguson wouldn't be too bad


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:36:38
Charlton fans reckon Garner is just a name on a list - definitely not appointed yet.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:36:45
Micheal Beale it is then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:38:03
Michael Beale is an intriguing name


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:38:12
Cant speak for Duke but the issue I have with lots of loans is - ultimately we are improving other teams players at the expense of our own and itís an even shorter term option that contracted player (who are usually on a 1 or 2 year deal)

Iíd agree with you the majority of our loans this season were good but ultimately weíre back to square one now theyíve all gone - we have nothing to show for their time here.

Unfortunately as the bottom feeders that we currently are then the loan market realistically is going to have to be the way forwards. I know it's not for everyone but I have no problem with loan players, but totally get the point you are making. Clearly Louie Barry and KKH are 'luxury players' that are never in a million years going to end up as permanent players at Swindon. However there is no reason why the other players can't be used as a season long trial. I don't obviously know the agreement between the 2 clubs but I got an air that there was scope for deals to be done with the majority of our loan players. Had we gone up you would realistically expect us to go for Simpson, Tomlinson and maybe Davison, that's probably not on the table now given we are still in League 2 and our manager has gone.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:38:44
Charlton fans reckon Garner is just a name on a list - definitely not appointed yet.

They wishÖ.*maybe*


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:38:51
Micheal Beale it is then.

From Walford Town?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:39:16
Micheal Beale it is then.
Heís fav for the QPR job


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:39:59
Charlton fans reckon Garner is just a name on a list - definitely not appointed yet.

Really?!  I'd be surprised.  And a little awkward if true & BG didn't then get appointed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:40:02
Surprised that there has been no groundswell of support for A Grant as player manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:40:33
They wishÖ.*maybe*
One of them said he had spoken directly with Saandegard(?) and thatís what he was told. Maybe testing fans reaction.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:43:29
Haha Sol Campbell, would be good for shits and giggles at the reaction if it happened

Thing is with Campbell the jury is still pretty much out on his abilities or otherwise as a manager having been employed to date in two complete basket cases.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:44:11
Is Sheridan still with Oldham? Thought he might have been on the list.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:44:42
Is Sheridan still with Oldham?

Can you imagine!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:44:51
Thing is with Campbell the jury is still pretty much out on his abilities or otherwise as a manager having been employed to date in two complete basket cases.

Yeah think Campbell has done ok with what heís had to work with tbh.
Wouldnít be first choice but would be alright with him being appointed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:51:58
I'm not meh about it. Had a real chance to build on his excellent work this season with a good squad,the majority of which may have stayed and now may not. The disruption which may follow if some of those players leave may be too much to mount a similar challenge. That's my fear.

This.

Apart from Hoddle, Ardiles, Macari and even Di Canio to a lesser extent, I have never been too disappointed when managers move on or get sacked as it is in the nature of professional football that continuity of service these days is quite rare in all aspects of the day to day running of a club be it players, managers, back room staff etc.. This latest revelation however has me more concerned about where we are heading considering a week ago we could have been Wembley bound and even Divvy 1 bound, and now looks as if we are floundering around looking for a new manager and back up staff and even more importantly players to take us out of this bloody Division.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:53:44
Yeah think Campbell has done ok with what heís had to work with tbh.
Wouldnít be first choice but would be alright with him being appointed.

I know it's not the be all and end all but can you see him being able to manage McKirdy?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:54:28
He wouldn't need to as he won't be here😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:58:14
This.

Apart from Hoddle, Ardiles, Macari and even Di Canio to a lesser extent, I have never been too disappointed when managers move on or get sacked as it is in the nature of professional football that continuity of service these days is quite rare in all aspects of the day to day running of a club be it players, managers, back room staff etc.. This latest revelation however has me more concerned about where we are heading considering a week ago we could have been Wembley bound and even Divvy 1 bound, and now looks as if we are floundering around looking for a new manager and back up staff and even more importantly players to take us out of this bloody Division.

the model now put in place by Clem and Angus, in effect, should allow for coaches to be able to move on and be replaced and work under Chorley as DOF. Of course far from ideal and it's obviously not going to be seamless, but it should be less of a massive overhaul you would have thought.

Does anyone have any idea what 2 years of Compo might be for us?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:01:57
the model now put in place by Clem and Angus, in effect, should allow for coaches to be able to move on and be replaced and work under Chorley as DOF. Of course far from ideal and it's obviously not going to be seamless, but it should be less of a massive overhaul you would have thought.

Does anyone have any idea what 2 years of Compo might be for us?
Well, itís compo for Garner and the 2 Scotts.  Combined salaries - 2 years would be about £300,000+


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:02:35
I know it's not the be all and end all but can you see him being able to manage McKirdy?

Probably not.
Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:12:26
Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?

Crystal ball time.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:16:24
They have a big pitch don't they? His style of football might work there, but as you say it will be interesting to see.

He says he likes wide pitches but all too often we were exposed down the wings by a long cross field ball.
So really what he means is he like a wide pitch for attacking but a narrow fucker to defend.
Unsure if I'm pissed off not bothered or happy, some games were good some were fucking atrocious.
It's Swindon what do we expect, let's get another big name to get us going again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:22:56
Well, itís compo for Garner and the 2 Scotts.  Combined salaries - 2 years would be about £300,000+

Not to be sniffed at.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:24:15
Probably not.
Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?

Fuck knows with Harry. Such an unconventional character. Expectations of him are increased now so if he doesn't hit the ground running next season, we could be in for stormier waters, but as Batch says nobody knows the future - apart from Mystic Meg.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:25:29
He says he likes wide pitches but all too often we were exposed down the wings by a long cross field ball.
So really what he means is he like a wide pitch for attacking but a narrow fucker to defend.
Unsure if I'm pissed off not bothered or happy, some games were good some were fucking atrocious.
It's Swindon what do we expect, let's get another big name to get us going again.


I suspect we won't be going down the big name route. More likely to be a talented coach from a premier/championship academy side I'd have thought?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:26:18
Probably not.
Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?

With the right man in charge I think McKirdy could bag 20 again next year. He gathered goalscoring momentum as the season went on, with 5 league goals before Christmas (plus one in the pizza trophy) and 14 after (plus one vs Man City and two in the play offs). If he hit the ground running he wouldn't have to continue in the same vein as January to April to reach 20 for the year.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:32:39
Not sure how I feel about this news. On one hand it's worrying that a manager feels the need to jump ship at the first opportunity. Has he been told the budget will be reduced next season? Do we lack ambition? Will our better players leave? On the other, he was a decent coach but a pretty poor manager. The preparations for the play-off games weren't the best, and we were appalling at Vale. A good start and end to the season, but some were calling for his head mid season.

We're Swindon. Always expect the unexpected! Would be nice to temp Flynn down here, or Tisdale perhaps???


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:34:02
Nixon saying it's not done yet.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:38:32
Not sure how I feel about this news. On one hand it's worrying that a manager feels the need to jump ship at the first opportunity. Has he been told the budget will be reduced next season? Do we lack ambition?

Or more simply a bigger club with a better budget and a higher salary offered him a job.

Its always going to happen at this level, do well and you will have bigger clubs sniffing about, Edwards won the title and immediately left for bigger things, and I suspect that come the play off final being over the managers of Mansfield and PV will be attracting interest from above.

That's life, as it stands we are bottom feeders in the hierarchy and always likley to lose anyone manager or player who is seen as a prospect for higher up the pyramid.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:39:52
He says he likes wide pitches but all too often we were exposed down the wings by a long cross field ball.
So really what he means is he like a wide pitch for attacking but a narrow fucker to defend.

Garner has come out with some absolute shite over the course of the season. Its not quite Luke Williams 3 draws is a win or Paul Hart convincing us he was playing 3 strikers, but some of the stuff he said over the course of the season reminds me why I'm not bothered if he is going.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:40:49
Nixon saying it's not done yet.

Unrelated but would just remind everyone what a cunt that Nixon is.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:41:01
Nixon saying it's not done yet.

It's gonna be though isn't it or what then? A proportion of the fan base never took to the guy however well we were doing in the table (there were not sarcastic calls for his head even when we were in the play offs), if he doesn't leave now after it being reported that he wants to its going to be bloody toxic!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:41:41
How many people in life would turn down a job where you probably double your salary and have the possibility of a more successful career  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:42:26
So how will Garner be recieved if he doesn't get past the interview? If we're not top by September some people will get real sour on him.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:43:27
Shocked, surprized but not disappointed. However we could have done with stability . This could see the team dismantled and we start all over again.

Clem, Rob and Ben will need to get the next appointment right.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RWB Robin on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:44:42
All I can add is, whatever happens, I'm confident in Morfuni and Angus, and hopefully Chorley as well. They have formed a plan, and, whether this is a shock to them or not, I believe they will do their best to ensure that plan develops.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:49:54
Imagine if he doesnít now go. Instability with Garner (caused by his exit and the knowledge heíll take the next job going) or instability without. Iíll take without. If he stayed he would be incapable of persuading anyone else to stay.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:50:51
Has he said he's interested in the job?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:51:51
Has he said he's interested in the job?
Nobody has said fuck all, tbh.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 10:52:35
Nobody has said fuck all, tbh.

That's what I thought😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:07:41
All I can add is, whatever happens, I'm confident in Morfuni and Angus, and hopefully Chorley as well. They have formed a plan, and, whether this is a shock to them or not, I believe they will do their best to ensure that plan develops.

The main thing is, there hasn't been anyone complaining about the recruitment of players and nobody in their right mind possibly could. If its as clear cut as Chorley mostly recruitment and Garner mostly tactics then it'll be an improvement to the set up, no matter how much the players like Garners training.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:08:25
Has he said he's interested in the job?

Clubs don't bother agreeing compensation unless the manager wants to speak to them. Otherwise its a waste of time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:10:53
If this was a done deal - compo agreed - then why hasnít it been officially announced by now?

Get shot and get on finding the new man.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:10:56
Fair point but have we had that confirmed anywhere


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:24:06
It was reported that Garner was interviewed on May 21. Coincidentally, the same day that Aston Villaís U23 coach, Mark Delaney, left them.

Mmmmm


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:24:56
I'm not ITK but i've been hearing this is far from a done deal but it seems Garner has been interviewed. I personally don't give a shit but if he doesn't get the job I can't see it being very comfortable for Garner for a lot of our fanbase.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:25:07
Interviewed before agreeing compensation?

Sounds like Charlton fans are holding on to wishful thinking. If Clem let him interview, then agreed compo then he's gone.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:31:17
I'm not ITK but i've been hearing this is far from a done deal but it seems Garner has been interviewed. I personally don't give a shit but if he doesn't get the job I can't see it being very comfortable for Garner for a lot of our fanbase.
Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. Thereís no way he could continue as heís shown he actively considering other jobs.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:32:23
Interviewed before agreeing compensation?


Thatís the norm.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:35:32
Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. Thereís no way he could continue as heís shown he actively considering other jobs.
My thoughts too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:35:44
Thatís the norm.

Only if the club agrees. Otherwise its tapping up and breach of contract.

But it isn't that I'm saying it is abnormal. I'm saying if they've bothered to agree compensation after then they obviously want him and Charlton fans are simply holding out hope he isn't joining.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:36:58
Seems likely to me that the Charlton owner has screwed him over.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:37:58
Seems likely to me that the Charlton owner has screwed him over.
Somebody has leaked it to the press, if it was kept quiet and he didn't get the job then we would be none the wiser.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:38:11
Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. Thereís no way he could continue as heís shown he actively considering other jobs.

But in the 'real' world that would be fine. If I go for another job interview, and am unsuccessful, my current employer cannot just sack me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Moss on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:38:15
Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. Thereís no way he could continue as heís shown he actively considering other jobs.
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Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:38:27
Seems likely to me that the Charlton owner has screwed him over.

You mean something like they had all but agreed to go with Garner but once reports got out and they saw reactions from the Charlton fans they decided to have a change of heart?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:40:08
Summat like that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:41:15
Oops.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:41:17
what if he went, thought he would be better staying here for now given the terms/budget Charlton offered and ended it himself?
-----

anyway, Garner is going to FGR ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:42:45
Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. Thereís no way he could continue as heís shown he actively considering other jobs.

Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?
Because this isnít like a normal job, you have the massive complication of fans. We all know a manager would leave if he gets a better offer but to be actively looking at other jobs shows he isnít committed and fans wonít tolerate that. Add in the player side where it will be harder to attract players when the managers position is uncertain then it makes it untenable.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:43:19
Somebody has leaked it to the press, if it was kept quiet and he didn't get the job then we would be none the wiser.

I thought permission had to be sought for managers in work to be interviewed, and more often than not it gets reported that clubs have given permission for so and so to be interviewed? It does strike me as unusual that literally nothing was reported until the deal was done and dusted, although that now appears to be not the case.

Something(s) seem a bit off with this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:44:17
His Charlton stint as manager might be shorter than John McGreals stint here!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:44:29
what if he went, thought he would be better staying here for now given the terms/budget Charlton offered and ended it himself?
-----

anyway, Garner is going to FGR ;)
Even if thatís the case heís all but burnt his bridges here. Why let him recruit when a job he does fancy becomes available and heíll be off. Heís obviously not against the idea of leaving. Presume Clem gave Charlton permission to talk to Garner.

If it all falls through the last thing I want is a load of bullshit from Garner saying he was committed to being here all the time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:48:50
yeah I get the point being made.

I can't see anything but bs if he stays tbh


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Moss on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:49:48
Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Because this isnít like a normal job, you have the massive complication of fans. We all know a manager would leave if he gets a better offer but to be actively looking at other jobs shows he isnít committed and fans wonít tolerate that. Add in the player side where it will be harder to attract players when the managers position is uncertain then it makes it untenable.

I appreciate this is the perceived wisdom - but its a load of shit. I can't see mobs of pitchfork wielding fans marching to the County ground over this I really can't. Bit of a balls up granted, but I don't think his position should be untenable.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:51:27
Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Because that seems to be how many football fans think?

I will reiterate what I said earlier, a proportion of the fan base wanted him out when we were in the play offs, they are going to be like pigs in shit if he stays on after this, its not worth it for anyone.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:51:56
He's had an interview with a team a division higher, would pay more and be closer to home. You can't exactly shoot him for that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:54:18
I appreciate this is the perceived wisdom - but its a load of shit. I can't see mobs of pitchfork wielding fans marching to the County ground over this I really can't. Bit of a balls up granted, but I don't think his position should be untenable.
No thatís reality, people didnít really take to him this season so after finding out this a lot of the fanbase would outright turn on him. He was supposedly interviewed on the 21st, 2 days after the play-off defeat so you have to assume this has been bubbling in the background during the play-offs and again thatís poor. So his position is untenable as support towards him would be toxic. Heís done here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:54:48
Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?
What other job, if you get the sack, do they pay you for the full length of your contract thats left?

Its very different to the "real world".


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:55:02
Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Because this isnít like a normal job, you have the massive complication of fans. We all know a manager would leave if he gets a better offer but to be actively looking at other jobs shows he isnít committed and fans wonít tolerate that. Add in the player side where it will be harder to attract players when the managers position is uncertain then it makes it untenable.

I get what you are saying but that's entirely contradictory unless Garner has ben going around applying for jobs (which no one has suggested he is), all that seems to be in the public domain is that he has been interviewed (no indication as to who approached who) and that compo has been agreed, nothing to suggest that Garner applied for nor accepted another job.

As noted before what's set hares running is this getting into the public domain, the original source of which is unknown.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:56:02
He's had an interview with a team a division higher, would pay more and be closer to home. You can't exactly shoot him for that.
Itís how football works. Players/managers feign loyalty all the time. When it comes back to bite them on the arse thereís no hiding place from the fans.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:58:12
Garner

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Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Moss on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:09:25
Garner

=



Best thing since sliced bread?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:09:37
Trying to judge a footballing employment situation by comparing to an office job at Nationwide or a postman at Royal Mail isn't going to work.

They're not the same thing and pretending they are is just silly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:13:33
My employment history, ironically


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:20:48
My employment history, ironically

Charlton job next then....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:21:46
My employment history, ironically

Football manager?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cheltred on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:29:49
Somebody has leaked it to the press, if it was kept quiet and he didn't get the job then we would be none the wiser.
BBC West reporting that we have "refused to comment", which suggests (to me anyway) that he IS going but some details (i.e. compensation) still have to be sorted


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:31:50
BBC West reporting that we have "refused to comment", which suggests (to me anyway) that he IS going but some details (i.e. compensation) still have to be sorted

Good, best outcome for all in the circumstances.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:33:38
BBC West reporting that we have "refused to comment", which suggests (to me anyway) that he IS going but some details (i.e. compensation) still have to be sorted
As long as we put in a clause that he cannot sign any current Swindon players for a year :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:37:07
Garner out!

Oh wait, I'm a bit late to the party.

Will he or won't he, either way it's not going to go down well with our fanbase and seemingly Charlton's as well. All's said and done though, although Garner has done a good job here taking us from zero to a spot kick away from the playoff final, it's not 'just' him that's done it, and at times throughout the season this forum and a lot of the fanbase at large have been bemoaning the quality of him as a manager (forgetting he's head coach as most do...)

Will Chorley and the other backroom staff stay? Possibly. Will them leaving mean we get a bit of a windfall payment? Yes. Will we be able to replace with someone who has the ability of garner? Absolutely. I've been most impressed by the recruitment of Chorley, and Garner's handling of players like Conroy and Williams, who have big historic injuries that meant other clubs had written them off, and managing those players has perhaps been as important as the tactics for each match this season. As long as we have the architecture and scaffolding of that 'boring' bit of the backroom staff left behind when/if they go, we are still set for a good go at it.

Would I love to see Caddis and Ferry back as a coaching duo? Heck yeah. The old Celtic boys must have learnt a LOT about management under the Hart/Bodin/Di Canio period even before the rest of their careers went other directions from Swindon.

Interesting looking at the wiki article on Swindon managers as ignoring statistically insignificant amounts of games in charge, Di Canio is still our 'best' manager on 95 games, 56.8% win rate, followed by Sturrock(! 52, 50%), Flitcroft(! 42, 50%), and then Garner on 56, 50%, before Macari on 285, 48.4%. We haven't had a manager last more than 75 matches since Cooper in 2013-15 helmed 125 with a win rate of 41.6%.

Our managers over the last 10 years since 2013 have managed on average 35 games a piece, with a win rate of 35%. The decade before, it was 38 games and 35%. So for the last 20 years, on average, not much has changed. If you go back ANOTHER decade, excluding Hoddle who was coming to the end of his time in '93, we're looking at 56 games and 26% win rate per manager. So you could argue the 90's we're worse than the decades after, but we've pretty much been struggling managerially and as a club since Hoddle went in '93. (As if you couldn't fucking tell already what with us going from Prem to L2...)

Does this have any bearing on what to do if Garner goes? Well, if you look at where our most successful managers from the last 20 years come from, it's someone with no previous management experience who's thrown into a squad playing positive football with raw, young,  talented players on the team. We've got the latter two mindsets, and all we need if Garner goes is to fill in the "excited first step into management" side of the equation

#TEFMAFFS


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:56:35
Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 12:58:46
Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

Nijholt used to apply every time the role came up, this would have been 10 years or so ago though!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:10:20
Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

Well that would be underwhelming and left field


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:14:15
Heís 60 and hasnít managed for years.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:18:24
I'm sure that is a piss take, given he has applied about 12 times.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:28:27
Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:31:29
I doubt Clem would know Nijholt if he sat on his face and farted


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:47:57
If Garner wants to leave then fine, let him go, although it does surprise me next season will be a season with no embargo and signing a better quality of player, and we should be pushing for promotion, you would have thought another good season and potentially promotion would enhance his CV further and get him a bigger job if he wants to move on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 13:54:40
Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

I have just received a fax from Steve Lomas who says he has already signed a deal


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:01:14
I have just received a fax from Steve Lomas who says he has already signed a deal

I just rang ClubCall and it says that John Gorman may be coming back to management.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:01:32
I have just received a fax from Steve Lomas who says he has already signed a deal

Assistant to Sheena Easton.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:04:16
Sol Campbell leads the bookies list😱


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:04:35
Assistant to Sheena Easton.

And there it is, the winner 😂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:07:03
Assistant to Sheena Easton.

At last!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:10:13
Assistant to Sheena Easton.

No, Sheena has ruled herself out via carrier pigeon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:10:56
Canít believe this has dragged on all day.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:12:09
Canít believe this has dragged on all day.

The Swindon way is to announce stuff at 5pm. Still 90mins to go  :D :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:12:58
The Swindon way is to announce stuff at 5pm. Still 90mins to go  :D :D

On a Friday. May need to add another 24 hours


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:31:50
On a Friday. May need to add another 24 hours
Ah Friday Statements, that takes me back.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:43:13
Sol Campbell leads the bookies list😱

That would be as depressing as a penalty shoot out in Burslem.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:48:26
Good options that fit the same criteria as last time: James Rowberry (albeit in work), David Artell, Matt Taylor (the Swindon/Walsall one).

More experienced catches: Michael Appleton, Michael
Flynn.

Then the unknown youth coaches.

Known youth / reserve coaches: Carrick, Beale. Surprised if Carrick would come south for a smaller job, having thought about it. Lincoln is at least up there.  

Whoever it is, the back room is going to be vital as well. Just do it quickly and get it right. Easy, right?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:50:30
Flynn for me, as per my opinion last time we needed a new manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:51:13
Hasn't he gone yet?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:53:37
Quote from: Qunk
Flynn for me, as per my opinion last time we needed a new manager

Had he left Walsall?  not been on most of the day

I doubt we will be poaching anyone


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:55:40
Had he left Walsall?  not been on most of the day

I doubt we will be poaching anyone

Heís still there and I donít expect it to happen, but then I didnít expect us to get the caliber of Reed and Williams playing for us last season, so you just never know


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 14:56:35
fair point


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:04:22
People calling some names mentioned varying degrees of unrealistic (Carrick, Dyche, Mason, etc.) but I would argue we've appointed many managers that would have seemed unrealistic at the time and even in the fourth tier.

If someone told me Di Canio would be our new manager during the Paul Hart season, I'd definitely have laughed at you. After the Iffy Onoura season when the club was in absolute tatters, we had both Wise and Sturrock, neither of which I'd had considered very realistic at the time.

I'm not old enough to comment, but how realistic was Lou Macari for us in the fourth division in the 80s? I'm not even sure how realistic Hoddle or Ossie for a second tier club would have seemed before it happened, in hindsight.

The likes of Carrick and Mason actually fits what we've previously been known for as well. Even without the loan links, its the type of manager we usually give a chance and do well with.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:05:41
Forgot about ex Liverpool manager Roy Evans too. Must have seemed pretty pie in the sky if you'd had said it to someone in 2000 (not that he stayed long)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:06:14
I doubt we will be poaching anyone

Not unless its Luke Garrard. We could probably stretch to that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:19:38
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
Not unless its Luke Garrard. We could probably stretch to that.

Yeah, fair


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:29:21
Am I missing something about 'our' Matt Taylor, wasn't he pretty gash at Walsall!

Appleton is on the rock n roll so at least no compo or Flynn for me albeit cannot see us paying compo.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:30:51
We will be seen as a good prospect now thanks to Clem, there will probably be plenty of in work managers that would fancy the job here and get their agent to put their name in the hat, I'm sure Clem will stick to the same criteria though, a coach who likes to get on the grass and improve players and likes to play an attacking style of football.

There may be managers in work that have a release clause but realistically we will end of with a coach who is either out of work or that his (or her) current team will allow to leave for a 1st team coach / manager role.

Again, someone who wants to put roots down and prove themselves rather than a Kenny Jackett type of manager that has been round many teams and seems to have a life span of about 1.5 - 2 seasons before it goes wrong and he is sacked. We need someone that if they are successful then yes bigger teams take note but we get decent compo.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:44:28
Going the Academy Coach Route, Mark Delaney is the one for me.

Experienced Ďmanagerí route - Darren Ferguson

ĎBig nameí inexperienced ex player - Michael Carrick


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:45:24
That would be as depressing as a penalty shoot out in Burslem.


Yes it would..... and some


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:49:41
The more I think about it, the more I think I'd actually quite like to give Luke Garrard a chance. If we don't, I reckon AFC Wimbledon will at some point. Also ex player there and he put them out The FA Cup.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:51:06
Liam Rosenior is somebody I would look at if we wanted an untried option..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:56:47
Liam Rosenior is somebody I would look at if we wanted an untried option..

I read that too quickly and thought you were talking about his old man for a second, which I would've questioned your sanity over!

The silence from the club is deafening, so I expect it is just a case of working out the compo at the moment.

I'm sure the replacement will be a Prem or Championship academy coach, or maybe an up and comer from the conference? Challinor has done a good job at Stockport, but I suppose would want to give League Two a crack with them rather than move.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:57:16
Would it have been Garner who offered Payne,Parsons and Egbo contracts?If so,and he knew about Charlton,could that be seen as a bit dodgy?

That would have been Chorley i would expect, I assume that Garner was involved in discussions though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 15:59:52
I read that too quickly and thought you were talking about his old man for a second, which I would've questioned your sanity over!

The silence from the club is deafening, so I expect it is just a case of working out the compo at the moment.

I'm sure the replacement will be a Prem or Championship academy coach, or maybe an up and comer from the conference? Challinor has done a good job at Stockport, but I suppose would want to give League Two a crack with them rather than move.

I did check it on google because i always get him and his old man mixed up :D

Liam was assistant manager to Rooney at Derby, last I heard - i am sure it can't be easy there at the moment so he might fancy a crack at management


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 16:05:12
I have said the same i think he has something about him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 16:17:20
Surely any replacement would have more charisma than Bobby Bland


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DA15red on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 16:18:46
Charlton friends underwhelmed. I don't think Garnerball alone would have got us to autos next season. Need some steel, experience and leaders which with a few exceptions the current squad lacks. Don't think Garner would have gone for that type of player? We'll probably never know now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 16:19:00
View from a Charlton fan

ĎSomething doesnít stack up on Garner.

Cawley gets his info from staffers, and says that CAFC have entered talks with Swindon about compo. He also says that Garner will be bringing his coaching staff with him.

Sandgaard flatly denies this, and says no decisions have been made, and heís still interviewing.

What we now know for certain is that Warburton, Beale and Taylor are out of the picture Ö.not that they were ever in it.

What happens if TS changes his mind on Garner, or, popularity conscious as ever, decides that the reaction to him is too mixed ?

Answer Ö.in comes the Euell and de Souza combo, with Martin handily in the wings.

A scenario that some predicted from the outset.í


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 16:37:08
Campbell? Can we start a petition,like,quick?
Bloke couldn't even beat Zak Goldsmith in the race to be Tory Mayoral candidate for London.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cheltred on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:07:47
The Swindon way is to announce stuff at 5pm. Still 90mins to go  :D :D
Almost 90 minutes after 5pm and still nowt😁


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:17:54
Looks like we're in for a good old fashioned Friday Statement.

Reg would've been in his element with all of this :(


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:26:43
People calling some names mentioned varying degrees of unrealistic (Carrick, Dyche, Mason, etc.) but I would argue we've appointed many managers that would have seemed unrealistic at the time and even in the fourth tier.


I understand what you are saying, but Dyche, really?   The other 2 have some logic and like the others were all new managers but adding Dyche removes all credibility.   Appreciate his name has been mentioned but only by wind up merchants, crack heads and 5 year olds.
It's not just left field it's a different multiverse.


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:47:34
Campbell? Can we start a petition,like,quick?
Bloke couldn't even beat Zak Goldsmith in the race to be Tory Mayoral candidate for London.
Can only assume that one is a joke.

Sent from my XQ-AD51


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:51:39
Have we ever poached an in-work manager?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:54:30
Have we ever poached an in-work manager?

SheridanÖ. If youíd count that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:58:44
I understand what you are saying, but Dyche, really?   The other 2 have some logic and like the others were all new managers but adding Dyche removes all credibility.   Appreciate his name has been mentioned but only by wind up merchants, crack heads and 5 year olds.
It's not just left field it's a different multiverse.

Yeah Dyche unrealistic. But people are calling Mason and Carrick unrealistic when, if anything, its our M.O.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 17:59:04
SheridanÖ. If youíd count that.

Yeah we did poach him, didn't we? Incredible.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:23:31
Iíd give Matty Taylor the job myself, see how he does working with Chorley.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:28:48
I'd go for Appleton 100% but not sure how realistic that is.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:29:02
Local press up here suggesting barrow about to announce new manager, being suggested likely to be the guy from Halifax so we can discount him.

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:31:37
Howard?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:34:22
Howard?

Giggle


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:36:08
Howard?

I laughed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Whingy the poo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:40:53
Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

With the "previous link to the club" in mind and no one has mentioned his name yet is Colin Calderwood? :hmmm:

I know a week ago he was supposedly of to Swansea, but no official confirmation on the swans website!  

https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2022/05/23/ex-nottingham-forest-coach-colin-calderwood-set-for-swansea-role/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:44:12
Iíd give Matty Taylor the job myself, see how he does working with Chorley.
Bit of a gamble no? Good player, not quite convinced he currently has the minerals to get us up at the first attempt which surely must be our aim.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:47:24
The CC ship has well and truely sailed for me, mates are Cobbs fans, remembered fondly enough by them but not for us as a manager for me.  Maybe 10-15 years ago but I would definitely would be against that move now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 18:55:53
Orient fans getting twitchy


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 19:00:36
Bit of a gamble no? Good player, not quite convinced he currently has the minerals to get us up at the first attempt which surely must be our aim.

No different to Garner.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 19:05:59
With the "previous link to the club" in mind and no one has mentioned his name yet is Colin Calderwood? :hmmm:

I know a week ago he was supposedly of to Swansea, but no official confirmation on the swans website! 

https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2022/05/23/ex-nottingham-forest-coach-colin-calderwood-set-for-swansea-role/

Another one to add to the list of names I'd happily take.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 19:06:53
Calderwood? Good God, no.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 19:14:13
No different to Garner.

Except Garner is a career coach due to an injury wrecking his playing chances at a young age, Taylor, while an excellent pro is new to the coaching world.  Pretty deffierent really. 

Not against the Taylor type appointment in general, just think he's not the answer for us right now.  Hope he has a good time in management though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 19:22:23
I laughed.

As did I


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:21:34
wellens was a good relationship, but he told some lies, cheated on us and went off with another club. he has been with a few others since and i just dont know if i could take him back. i couldn't trust him not to run off again. its a no from me.

go get carrick cmon clem.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:24:53
Quote from: 4D
Howard?

👏


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:26:04
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Calderwood? Good God, no.

ditto. playing legend, managerial mediocrity I'm sorry to say


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:26:13
wellens was a good relationship, but he told some lies, cheated on us and went off with another club. he has been with a few others since and i just dont know if i could take him back. i couldn't trust him not to run off again. its a no from me.

go get carrick cmon clem.

I think this is such a bad take. Wellens won the league, and is a far better manager than Garner. 'Cheated with us and went off with another club' - you remember what a cluster fuck it was behind the scenes last year, i blame nobody for leaving with the cunt power in charge and given what was going on. He's also damaged goods now, far less likely to be taken from us now he has had those spells elsewhere. I would take him back immediately, but doubt we are getting him out of orient.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:43:41
Paul Scholes.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:46:44
It's a little bit 'battle of the ex's' with fans clamouring for either Wellens or Di Canio (including Piccareta in that as well). Move on, people.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:47:55
I think this is such a bad take. Wellens won the league, and is a far better manager than Garner. 'Cheated with us and went off with another club' - you remember what a cluster fuck it was behind the scenes last year, i blame nobody for leaving with the cunt power in charge and given what was going on. He's also damaged goods now, far less likely to be taken from us now he has had those spells elsewhere. I would take him back immediately, but doubt we are getting him out of orient.

then say it! don't publicly preach loyalty and piss off to the league below. not once did he site ownership problems as a reason for leaving or say power was a problem.

ďFirst and foremost, it was to be closer to my family Ė Iíve lived near Salford for 25 years, and secondly, Salford is a club that wants to be ambitious. Theyíre the main two.

anyway old news. he's never coming back and I wouldn't want him to


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 20:53:06
On the subject of ex managers, there were rumours of Mark Cooper last summer. If he were to get the job Iíd almost certainly have a break from attending as I really canít stand him and couldnít bring myself to support him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 21:33:30
I would welcome back Wellens if we could prize him away from Orient. He knows the club and is just what we need to keep the momentum going and as for jumping ship to go to Salford nobody knew the whole story of what was happening behind the scenes so impossible to judge.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 21:56:49
Iíd be intrigued by a 3rd Wellens season purely to see which was closer to the Ďnormí for him - his excellent first season or atrocious second seasonÖand how much of the recruitment in both those seasons was him or JewellÖ


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 22:13:21
Orient fans getting twitchy
We're relegation fodder and still a mess according to them.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, May 26, 2022, 22:13:41
My worry is we get another Inexperienced manager who struggles and we end up going backwards. If were able to get Wellens back you get the fans excited and the momentum from this season continues.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 02:46:27
Late night tweets from the Charlton owner



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Friday, May 27, 2022, 06:45:28
then say it! don't publicly preach loyalty and piss off to the league below. not once did he site ownership problems as a reason for leaving or say power was a problem.

ďFirst and foremost, it was to be closer to my family Ė Iíve lived near Salford for 25 years, and secondly, Salford is a club that wants to be ambitious. Theyíre the main two.

anyway old news. he's never coming back and I wouldn't want him to
I'm with you 100% on this


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Friday, May 27, 2022, 06:46:26
On the subject of ex managers, there were rumours of Mark Cooper last summer. If he were to get the job Iíd almost certainly have a break from attending as I really canít stand him and couldnít bring myself to support him.
I'm with you on this,as well


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 27, 2022, 07:36:02
Ben Garner anyone?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Friday, May 27, 2022, 07:52:35
I'm with you on this,as well

Very very average manager who was carried by Luke Williams whilst he was here. Managerial skills aside, heís a proper nasty bloke and a real shit person, wouldnít want him anywhere near club.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 07:54:21
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Late night tweets from the Charlton owner

have you got a link.to the tweets Aud? I can't find them


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 27, 2022, 07:57:12
have you got a link.to the tweets Aud? I can't find them

Screenshot attached  ???


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:01:06
All bets suspended on Garner


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:03:17
Very very average manager who was carried by Luke Williams whilst he was here. Managerial skills aside, heís a proper nasty bloke and a real shit person, wouldnít want him anywhere near club.
Seems a very toxic character


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:21:24
Late night tweets from the Charlton owner


I'm calling Fake News. The screenshots don't look like Twitter (no handle etc) and I can't find those posts anywhere.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:36:45
Charlton seem to think he will be announced today with the proviso he doesnít take any players from us.

Whether thatís feasible or even enforceable, I donít know.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:39:57
Come on Charlton just fucking get it sorted so we can get on with a manager search, although I am certain that Chorley has made contact already with some candidates, he would be silly not to have.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:43:21
I wouldnít be surprised if Chorley is what has caused the delay.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:45:00
Of course, there is always the possibility that as soon as Garner is announced at Charlton, that we quickly announce our new manager. If he interviewed last weekend and assuming we knew and gave permission, the wheels should have been in motion to search for our replacement for nearly a week. If Chorley has a list ready to go at any point in time, itís perfectly possible that (a) weíve interviewed and (b) there arenít the same complications that Charlton might have experienced, especially if we are after an out of work manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:47:31
If Garner was interviewed on the 21st, then I presume Clem was contacted well before that to seek permission to approach him. Got the feeling first contact was before the POs.

Wouldnít be surprised if it was a twin announcement of Garner going and his replacement signing.

Well, slap my thigh. Great minds


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: CMT82 on Friday, May 27, 2022, 08:48:56
A good sign it hasn't been done quickly - appears that RA/CM aren't rolling over and accepting the first offer of compensation, which may have been the case in previous years. Don't want it rolling on too long though, no doubt a list of people waiting to formally apply - if they haven't already...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:00:22
wellens was a good relationship, but he told some lies, cheated on us and went off with another club. he has been with a few others since and i just dont know if i could take him back. i couldn't trust him not to run off again. its a no from me.

go get carrick cmon clem.

And you don't think Carrick would run off?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:10:24
My spidey sense says it will be Mark Delaney


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:15:47
My spidey sense says it will be Mark Delaney

I wouldn't be unhappy with this. We seem to have a good relationship with Villa re the loan signings of KKH and Barry so it makes sense.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:16:32
If they want his team as well, fair enough. Iíd be most concerned about loosing Chorley.

However, if they all go the comp will go a long way towards making us debt free. That has to be in the minds of RA/CM.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:21:30
I'm calling Fake News. The screenshots don't look like Twitter (no handle etc) and I can't find those posts anywhere.
May not be twitter. I donít do much social media stuff so it could be one of the others. That shot was contained within someone elseís tweet


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:25:24
May not be twitter. I donít do much social media stuff so it could be one of the others. That shot was contained within someone elseís tweet

I read somewhere that their chairman was sending messages via Linkedin so it could have been there?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:28:45
I read somewhere that their chairman was sending messages via Linkedin so it could have been there?

Fair enough. To me it looks like somebody's chucked it together on Photoshop or similar but who knows.

May not be twitter. I donít do much social media stuff so it could be one of the others. That shot was contained within someone elseís tweet

Ah could be, does look like it. Again though, wouldn't be surprised if it's someone havign us all on. Time will tell.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:31:42
Fair enough. To me it looks like somebody's chucked it together on Photoshop or similar but who knows.

Ah could be, does look like it. Again though, wouldn't be surprised if it's someone havign us all on. Time will tell.

Neither club are saying very much, nay, anything at all. I'd hope at the very least we might put out a statement giving some sort of update.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:33:26
I'm calling Fake News. The screenshots don't look like Twitter (no handle etc) and I can't find those posts anywhere.

Looks like a forum. Doesn't even appear to be twitter.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:36:06
Can anyone post pics of this? Or send a link?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:36:33
Neither club are saying very much, nay, anything at all. I'd hope at the very least we might put out a statement giving some sort of update.

Friday 5pm baby!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:37:59
Can anyone post pics of this? Or send a link?

Page 35 on this thread, half way down.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 09:55:38
Screenshot attached  ???

A link to the tweets..As said above nobody can find them..

If bookies have suspended bets it looks to be done anyway.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:23:37
A link to the tweets..As said above nobody can find them..

If bookies have suspended bets it looks to be done anyway.

It definitely doesn't appear to be twitter. Has to be linkedin or some forum or something.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berts Head on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:25:49
Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:27:44
Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.

 :sherlock: what about him?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:28:45
Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.

Oooh the Kostiuk meltdown would be glorious.


Another in contract though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:33:05
Oooh the Kostiuk meltdown would be glorious.


Another in contract though.

OP probably is Kostiuk


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:33:44
Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.
On his way to Barnsley.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:33:57
Oooh the Kostiuk meltdown would be glorious.


Another in contract though.
Not saying we are going that route but i don't think whether they're in employement is a guge issue. If they think the right man for the job will come here and is affordable they'll pay


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:40:06
On his way to Barnsley.
Looks like thatís going nowhere. Apparently, there would be no compo to pay as he didnít sign the contract extension he was offered.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:41:47
I read it was LinkedIn that those comments came from.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:42:32
Quote
I read it was LinkedIn that those comments came from.
ta.

--
hurry the fuck up and fuck off if you are indeed fucking off Garner


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:48:03
hurry the fuck up and fuck off if you are indeed fucking off Garner
This.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:54:17
You would imagine they need to make some kind of statement today even if itís just a holding position. Itís not a great look if it is seemingly just ignored by the club and I think itís now got to the point that fans deserve a bit of comms on this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 10:56:27
I can understand them waiting for it to compete if it was close.

but yeah, 5pm today please


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, May 27, 2022, 11:56:28
Iíve always been very surprised at the fact Duff is still at Cheltenham. He deserves a big move, and I was surprised he wasnít in the running for the Burnley job (or, didnít seem to be). He would be a superb appointment, and it may be realistic. Heís tied to the area, wouldnít need to move, and would be at a club with a higher ceiling than Cheltenham. I would still be surprised, not because Cheltenham are in League One, but because Iíd expect him to be after jobs like QPR and BarnsleyÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cheltred on Friday, May 27, 2022, 12:46:10
Iíve always been very surprised at the fact Duff is still at Cheltenham. He deserves a big move, and I was surprised he wasnít in the running for the Burnley job (or, didnít seem to be). He would be a superb appointment, and it may be realistic. Heís tied to the area, wouldnít need to move, and would be at a club with a higher ceiling than Cheltenham. I would still be surprised, not because Cheltenham are in League One, but because Iíd expect him to be after jobs like QPR and BarnsleyÖ

I have heard that Duff's family like,the area and if he moved it wouldn't be too far. So in a way Swindon would be ideal, even if they are a division below Cheltenham (for now!)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 15:13:33
So, what do we reckon. A weekend of more speculation?

Just sack the fucker.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, May 27, 2022, 15:31:31
So, what do we reckon. A weekend of more speculation?

Just sack the fucker.

If we don't have something in about 11 minutes (as is tradition) then it'll probably drag till next week.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 15:54:34
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
So, what do we reckon. A weekend of more speculation?

Just sack the fucker.

sack him for what..

presumably he'd want compensation on his contract


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, May 27, 2022, 15:59:22
sack him for what..

presumably he'd want compensation on his contract

For having an interview with another team, after we have given permission to do so.

I mean, what does he think heís doing ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:23:13
sack him for what..

presumably he'd want compensation on his contract
For . . . For . . . For

Oh, ffs. Just sack him. Bin him. Shan him off. Get rid.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:26:21
Sack Ben for being unloyal...disloyal. And for joining in fun that excludes his employer.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:30:25
Sack Ben for being unloyal...disloyal. And for joining in fun that excludes his employer.

Gotta love partridge


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:32:36
Something not quite right.

You'd think it would've been done and dusted by now.

Perhaps it's true he was just interviewed and the Journalist jumped the gun?

Would we perhaps have an agreement with Charlton they can't announce it until we find a replacement? is that a thing?



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:32:46
Charlton fans seem to think itís normal practice to agree compo first then do the actual contract.

Seems arse about face to me.

Surely it goes

Can we speak to Ben

Yes

Ben, do you fancy a job here. This is your contract

Yes, please

Clem, Iíll be taking the job

OK. Letís sort the compo



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:35:02
from Charlton's point of view it makes sense.

you don't piss around only to find out his current club tell you to get stuffed/ask for one million dollars.

also gets things out in the open between clubs. not that unofficial tapping up doesn't happen


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:39:01
Surely, the first thing is to find out if he wants the job.

Same with transfers, the fee is always negotiated in the end.

In this instance, it was reported that compo had been agreed. That should have been the end of it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:46:58
Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they canít just ignore supporters.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:47:59
do you honestly think nobody asked him on the sly?

like I said, this order makes sense for Charlton


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:48:59
Quote from: theakston2k
Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they canít just ignore supporters.

the fact they've said nothing, says everything.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:52:32
actually, thinking about it, it's not impossible he had a release clause making us powerless to stop it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:53:30
do you honestly think nobody asked him on the sly?

like I said, this order makes sense for Charlton
But youíre not going to agree compo with Clem first if youíve tapped Garner up on the sly. Youíve still got to play the game of doing it above board.

Compo is the last thing


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 16:59:42
Sack Ben for being unloyal...disloyal. And for joining in fun that excludes his employer.

Aha!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:03:02
Iíve got the feeling itís all gone tits up and both parties are taking time out to decide how to spin it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:05:00
Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they canít just ignore supporters.
Really unsure what they can say until it's sorted really, i suppose they could say they have accepted an approach if they have but none of us know. Tbf they are forthcoming with news so much be a reason why they have not so far


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:05:02
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
But youíre not going to agree compo with Clem first if youíve tapped Garner up on the sly. Youíve still got to play the game of doing it above board.

Compo is the last thing

we are going round in circles on this.

it's also possible they
  - asked us for permission
  - agreed in principle with garner
  - agreed compo
  - hit a snag with full deal

or as above compo was a formality  as a contractual release clause amount.

who knows


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:06:10
The sun is shining and I am not going to fret in the meantime


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:10:23
Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:10:44
The sun is shining and I am not going to fret in the meantime
This... Reading so much what ifs and people getting depressed over what-ifs doesn't help anyone


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:25:43
Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they canít just ignore supporters.

What can they say. Ben Garner is still the head coach. As far as i am aware Charlton are interviewing other canidates and Ben Garner is on hold. Could be very embarrassing for him if he doesn't get the job. At the moment Swindon town are in limbo waiting for a decision.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:27:35
Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:31:29
This... Reading so much what ifs and people getting depressed over what-ifs doesn't help anyone

Control the controllables.

Fwiw I did speculate that an update from the club would be a good idea even if there wasn't a lot to say. But then I suppose the fans would moan about pointless statements being put out so they probably can't win either way.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:35:53
Quote from: REDBUCK
Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.

football fans speculating on football manager shocker


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:36:35
Nobody knows what's going on so pointless speculating until there is a statement from either club  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:41:59
Control the controllables.

Fwiw I did speculate that an update from the club would be a good idea even if there wasn't a lot to say. But then I suppose the fans would moan about pointless statements being put out so they probably can't win either way.

Be like the Royal Family. Donít complain, donít explain. In other words, keep mum.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 27, 2022, 17:44:49
Being told from a friend of a friend by a friend. Sol Campbell 80/25


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:08:25
I hope your friend of a friend's friend is chatting bollocks then!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:15:51
Same here


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:18:59
My favourite Sol moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWZrdxIu74A


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:26:41
Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.

Take a break then


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Whingy the poo on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:34:34
Iíve got the feeling itís all gone tits up and both parties are taking time out to decide how to spin it.

Sounds like the conservative government again.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:45:50
Sounds like the conservative government again.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

And the Labour also rans opposition.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:oo


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Friday, May 27, 2022, 18:49:41
This story originated in the South London Press - it could be that they got it wrong / made an assumption which was incorrect.
Then the Forums went into overdrive as itís a bit early for most new player signing announcements and we all need something to speculate about in the close season.
The fact that neither Club is saying anything doesnít mean they are behaving shiftily - clubs donít deny every spurious transfer rumour.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Friday, May 27, 2022, 21:44:06
This story originated in the South London Press - it could be that they got it wrong / made an assumption which was incorrect.
Then the Forums went into overdrive as itís a bit early for most new player signing announcements and we all need something to speculate about in the close season.
The fact that neither Club is saying anything doesnít mean they are behaving shiftily - clubs donít deny every spurious transfer rumour.

Would be a lot more fun if they did though.

Club Statement: Alan Nixon is full of shit


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Friday, May 27, 2022, 21:46:17
This story originated in the South London Press - it could be that they got it wrong / made an assumption which was incorrect.
Then the Forums went into overdrive as itís a bit early for most new player signing announcements and we all need something to speculate about in the close season.
The fact that neither Club is saying anything doesnít mean they are behaving shiftily - clubs donít deny every spurious transfer rumour.

Some one believed it enough to pack their thingsÖsupposedly


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Friday, May 27, 2022, 23:10:03
There's no spunk without bollocks


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pantomime dame on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 07:46:12
Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there
I see what you are saying. For Garner to get to London he'll have to start from SN1 then hit south east London via several trips to Carlisle and Plymouth and end up at Selhurst Park.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 08:44:11
Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 08:47:33
Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.

Well whatever the score, the club know what is going on and trust me as has been the case in the past there will be many applications flooding in for the vacancy should Garner go.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:05:03
Well whatever the score, the club know what is going on and trust me as has been the case in the past there will be many applications flooding in for the vacancy should Garner go.

Absolutely this. We are a progressive exciting club for an ambitious coach. Would love a 'name' but suspect its more likely to be someone we are relatively unfamiliar with from a higher leagues teams' academy.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:12:52
Surely, the first thing is to find out if he wants the job.

Same with transfers, the fee is always negotiated in the end.

In this instance, it was reported that compo had been agreed. That should have been the end of it.
You are correct, compensation is not calculated prior to a manager leaving its only discussed after a contract has been offered. I am sure that Swindon may well have given them an idea of compensation required but it will not be set in stone hence a delay.

It has happened in the past that a manager was offered a job and compensation not agreed and that manager then walked from the club to join the new club anyway, under these circumstances the leaving manager has no bonus payments or paid up contract which is normal in football transfers at player and manager level, future bonuses paid up front, such a wierd way of doing things.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Krays on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:15:25
Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.
The absolute irony of this post :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: SleafordRobin on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:15:41
Not sure what Mark Noble's plans are since his recent retirement? Probably still cut it on the pitch at this level as well. Fit's the bill for recently retired players cutting their teeth, or am I just being overly optimistic & getting carried away?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:15:50
Quote from: Nomoreheroes
Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.

ah yes, could be that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:17:50
Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there and then miss the target
Corrected.....TBF your comment did make me chuckle :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:21:38
I think most people want Garner gone now, but with reports of the Charlton owner and his son getting involved in recruitment, training and tactics heís setting himself up for a giant kick in the gonads.

They seem to think itíll end up with a combo of Jason Euell, some fella called de Souza and Sandegaardís son.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 09:35:26
I think most people want Garner gone now
Not sure its so much this as he blatantly isnt happy or he would have turned down their offer, hes made his bed now.

Maybe he wants to move back to London closer to his roots in Kent, maybe they are offering him a lot more in wages and bonuses (probably), maybe they have said to him he can have a free rein in the transfer market, all maybes.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 10:24:46
I think we can assume that negotiations are ongoing. If there was nothing in it the club or Garner would have issued a denial by now.

My guess is Mark Delaney will be announced as replacement as they announce Garner leaving.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 10:27:27
I think we can assume that negotiations are ongoing. If there was nothing in it the club or Garner would have issued a denial by now.

My guess is Mark Delaney will be announced as replacement as they announce Garner leaving.

I'd be happy with this. We do seem to have a bit of a link with villa, Standing, Barry, KKH, the other Barry etc. At least there would be continuity in this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 11:19:01
Absolutely this. We are a progressive exciting club for an ambitious coach. Would love a 'name' but suspect its more likely to be someone we are relatively unfamiliar with from a higher leagues teams' academy.
If we are to have "a name", I'd be disappointed if it's not Michael Carrick


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 11:22:05
Not sure its so much this as he blatantly isnt happy or he would have turned down their offer, hes made his bed now.

Maybe he wants to move back to London closer to his roots in Kent, maybe they are offering him a lot more in wages and bonuses (probably), maybe they have said to him he can have a free rein in the transfer market, all maybes.
My guess is that Garner probably knows he is only 1 bad run away from being sacked probably and has let us know Charlton were interested and if he wants to go we have said off you go then. I would not be shocked at all if when it's all announced we announce a replacement very quickly


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 11:24:32
My guess is that Garner probably knows he is only 1 bad run away from being sacked probably and has let us know Charlton were interested and if he wants to go we have said off you go then. I would not be shocked at all if when it's all announced we announce a replacement very quickly
Indeed, and in the same mold as Garner such as Delaney/Beale or similar.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 12:00:03
Well, if you take Clem at his word, itíd have to be someone of that ilk.

Supposed to be a seamless replacement, implementing what we already have in terms of style, recruitment etc.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 12:07:37
it certainly won't effect recruitment and fundamental style of play you'd think.

imagine bringing a flutcroft type in after getting Reed and Williams signed up


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 12:11:51
Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there
Tippy, tappy?   :)

Might find Clem nips in and appoints a new STFC coach whilst Garner's still going back and forth over possible Ts and Cs with no job offer in sight.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 12:45:37
Indeed, and in the same mold as Garner such as Delaney/Beale or similar.

My money on Delaney.
Academy coach and wonít cost a great deal of money.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 12:46:12
Well, if you take Clem at his word, itíd have to be someone of that ilk.

Supposed to be a seamless replacement, implementing what we already have in terms of style, recruitment etc.

This.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 13:14:08
I feel the Delaney link is just circumstancial with timing. Know he officially left at the same time Garner was interview by Charlton, but he was reported as leaving Villa over 3 weeks ago.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 13:18:27
Fits the bill perfectly, though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 13:31:28
I feel the Delaney link is just circumstancial with timing. Know he officially left at the same time Garner was interview by Charlton, but he was reported as leaving Villa over 3 weeks ago.
He left on May 20th, the day before Swindon gave Charlton permission to approach Garner.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/20/mark-delaney-departs-academy/

Sounds more like a probable than a coincidence to me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 13:40:44
He left on May 20th, the day before Swindon gave Charlton permission to approach Garner.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/20/mark-delaney-departs-academy/

Sounds more like a probable than a coincidence to me.
Aye, officially he left on 20th May, but the following from The Athletic reported on 7th May stated he would be leaving the role. Still seems more circumstancial than probable to me. Obviously now he's a free man he may be an option, but don't think he left Villa for us though
 https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/news/mark-delaney-to-leave-role-as-aston-villa-under-23-boss/rjs6qNBtTFxN/%3famp=1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 14:33:27
He's available.
Would be of the mould we need.
Will have Chorley guiding him
Isn't Sol fucking Campbell

let's give it a go at least. Can only say no


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 14:37:31
We potentially missed out on Ian Burchnall who went to FGR


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 15:52:05
it certainly won't effect recruitment and fundamental style of play you'd think.

imagine bringing a flutcroft type in after getting Reed and Williams signed up

Of course it will affect recruitment and players agreeing new contacts, not many players sign for a club not knowing who the new manager will be, and Ben wont know the type of player that the manager will want to sign, signing players is a joint effort.

Luckily it is early and agents are being spoken to about their client joining and the player may hold off until he knows who he will play for.

It is strange it is seemingly dragging on, usually when a club approaches it takes a couple of days to sort things out....whatever happens in this instance though Garner has shown he isn't committed to the club and do we want a head coach who may well fcuk off the next time he is approached causing disruption early in the season


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 16:14:53
So when do we think pre season starts? June 20th at a guess based on 2 weeks before he first pre season game, maybe the week before? Gives us 2 weeks or so to get someone in place and everything set up before the players come back but we need some recruitment prior to that which without a manager is a bit difficult.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: blinkpip on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 16:25:58
Reading up on the Charlton Forum, the Chairman interferes a lot, apparently with training a few times?
If this is true, you have to be a brave man to jump.
Good luck, but you probably won't get a second chance there if things slightly go wrong me thinks.  :shaun:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 16:37:27
Nigel Clough anyone?

About to be sacked...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 17:44:06
Nigel Clough anyone?

About to be sacked...

Not unless we're planning on relocating the club to somewhere close to the patch of the East Midlands that he's spent his entire managerial career in.

I'm not sure where he lives but he's never taken a job that's more than a 45 minute drive from somewhere near Matlock and seems happy to manage at any level as long as he doesn't have to move.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:08:08
Nigel Clough anyone?

About to be sacked...

No chance they will sack him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crozzer on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:38:36
No chance they will sack him

Going by the Radfords' previous actions, wouldn't rule it out.  But, Cloughie wouldn't fit the mould of a progressive young coach if Garner is to be replaced.  Flip Flop must have had a good day against his old club.   


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Saturday, May 28, 2022, 22:27:04
Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.

From what I've been hearing, this would make a lot of sense.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:14:29
He left on May 20th, the day before Swindon gave Charlton permission to approach Garner.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/20/mark-delaney-departs-academy/

Sounds more like a probable than a coincidence to me.
Where did this come from, that permission to speak to Garner was given on the 21st?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:31:46
On the Charlton forum it said Garner was interviewed on the 21st. If done correctly, that suggests initial contact must have been made before that date.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:50:23
How reliable is the source on the Charlton forum


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:55:28
On the Charlton forum it said Garner was interviewed on the 21st. If done correctly, that suggests initial contact must have been made before that date.

Iíd imagine it was, and they were told to wait until after our season was over

Unlike Hoddle where the deal was done before the playoffs started


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 08:56:28
Delaney might end up at Swindon, but he didnít leave his role at Villa for us. Appears he knew he was on his way out and wasnít offered a renewal on his deal if you read up on it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 09:17:26
How reliable is the source on the Charlton forum
Someone who speaks regularly with Sandegaard on LinkedIn


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 09:20:15
Fairly reliable then


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 12:18:11
the journo that broke the story thinks the move is still on (as of 16 hours ago)

https://twitter.com/RobertBaughan/status/1530549337025044482?t=JYmIADCZ-yO5nTnCMvAv_Q&s=19


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 13:36:12
Part of me now thinks it's bollocks. He's got wind of something, 2+2 = 5 and he's jumped on it early. If it happens, his reputation goes up and if it doesn't, he'll lean on the fact Charlton's chairman has changed his mind due to fan backlash.

Then again, if it wasn't true you'd think Swindon would've be bunked it with a statement. So who knows.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 13:42:25
exactly. if it was total bollocks it could be squashed by garner or the club in about 2 minutes.

why would they do that? For clarity to playing targets. for those specials who 'aren't renewing until they get clarity' ( I'd guess there is about 2 there).

not saying it wasn't as done as the journo thought. not saying it'll happen.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 14:50:54
Just wondering if Garner is away on his summer holidays and it's agents doing the talking


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 15:01:51
I see it like this. If Garner has or does indeed go to Charlton then having already renewed my ST it could well be the last one. The renewal this time next year will be dependant upon the clubs response during pre season recruitment of said new manager and players.

As has been said they have had a free hit this season and the bar has been set high for next. Can they cut the mustard and jump that extra bit higher?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 15:05:15
Easy to deny it if itís untrue.

He canít be welcomed back into the fold now, though. Heís been hung out to dry by that journo. If it wasnít for him nobody would know anything about it until it was either officially announced or if Garner didnít get the nod we would never have known anyway.

Hoping itís Garner wanting to leave to better himself rather than no longer believing in the Ďprojectí.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 15:17:50
exactly. if it was total bollocks it could be squashed by garner or the club in about 2 minutes.

why would they do that? For clarity to playing targets. for those specials who 'aren't renewing until they get clarity' ( I'd guess there is about 2 there).

not saying it wasn't as done as the journo thought. not saying it'll happen.

Maybe the players who are renewing contracts may know fully what's going on,

Playing targets are being given the full info through all the discussions....





Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:01:17
Quote from: Cowley38
Maybe the players who are renewing contracts may know fully what's going on,

Playing targets are being given the full info through all the discussions....


maybe.

my point was that if it's total bollocks, you say so and everyone moves on.

the journo repeated it's still happening an hour or two ago


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:05:19
I never understood why the Journo's don't keep their mouths shut and what they have to gain from it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:09:20
Quote from: Jimmy QuitMoaning
I never understood why the Journo's don't keep their mouths shut and what they have to gain from it

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:17:55
I never understood why the Journo's don't keep their mouths shut and what they have to gain from it
A careerÖ.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:19:34
I thought he was joking


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:19:51
Maybe if true😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 17:20:33
I thought he was joking

I was😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Robinz on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 18:14:16
Whether Garner gets the position at Charlton or not surely his is finished here at Swindon.

Must be a good reason why Clem Morfuni has not made the clubs position known by now.

Possibly if the club did make any form of statement now other than watch this space it could be seen by BG as a case for constructive dismissal.

What a crap situation Who would want to own a football club  :no:



 



 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 18:47:12
I don't agree that he's necessarily finished.

But, there is rarely smoke without fire and I expect him to be gone next week. I wish he wasn't as I would have liked continuity.

If he goes, we'll move on.

If half the players go, then we'll get other ones. If they are contracted to us, then we'll get fees for them.

Will we get promoted next year? I hope so, but nothing is guaranteed - Either with or without Garner.

COYRs!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 18:52:53
We really don't know what's been going on behind the scenes before Garner gets slated. Maybe Charlton contacted Swindon and asked for permission to speak with Garner and maybe Clem wants the compensation and a change of manager for next season and its within his interest to speak with them.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 18:54:18
yes, just that NMH.

if he comes back with his trail between his legs we very much carry on.

To be honest the issue to succeed this coming season was already high. If only football was that easy


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jimbob on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 19:50:10
Iíve been told itís a done deal FWIW and Iím not overly fussed him going tbh (I would think he feels this season was an opportunity missed and wonít better it next season - budgets etc) Iíd give a Caddis a go and give him 2 years with a first year of finding his feet. (We all want promotion next season of course)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 19:55:01
Is your contact reliable jimbob?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:00:27
Am I missing something?

Can somebody explain how the budget could possibly be smaller next season than it was this season?

Debt significantly reduced, Big Crowds, more sponsorships etc etc.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:01:36
any hints on the replacement search (more how advanced it is than names) jimbob


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:22:51
Am I missing something?

Can somebody explain how the budget could possibly be smaller next season than it was this season?

Debt significantly reduced, Big Crowds, more sponsorships etc etc.


Makes zero sense. Hopefully it isn't true.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:33:40
Am I missing something?

Can somebody explain how the budget could possibly be smaller next season than it was this season?

Debt significantly reduced, Big Crowds, more sponsorships etc etc.


Itís not.

This all stems from the fact Conroy was offered reduced terms - which has leaked out as reduced budget.

The budget will be increased but it will be used to cover a bigger squad. Simple maths.

10 players on 4k a week is still a smaller budget than 15 players on 3k week even if 10 players have had to take a pay cut.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:38:20
You have to have a wage structure. Can see why higher earners may be sacrificed/offered less.

We will have to draw our own conclusions when we see what the squad looks like come transfer deadline day


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:44:37
The Twine sell on % would help


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jimbob on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:46:53
Is your contact reliable jimbob?

Yeah and also where Iíve got the budget cut from (DoB knew of that some time ago of course). Nothing is set in stone until announced and Iím sure thereís lots of dialogue been happening between owners/clubs/players/agents but nothing new there given itís close season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:47:44
Yeah and also where Iíve got the budget cut from (DoB knew of that some time ago of course). Nothing is set in stone until announced and Iím sure thereís lots of dialogue been happening between owners/clubs/players/agents but nothing new there given itís close season.

Many thanks for sharing


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jimbob on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:53:07
any hints on the replacement search (more how advanced it is than names) jimbob

I havenít asked that question as of yet and Iím unlikely to get to know that. No doubt if he is going, theyíll be lots of applicants as there are an awful lot of managers out of work and also those wanting to try their hand at managing for the first time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 20:55:58
You have to have a wage structure. Can see why higher earners may be sacrificed/offered less.

We will have to draw our own conclusions when we see what the squad looks like come transfer deadline day

We will see. Budget isnít being cut though.
Increased but needed to stretch further. We saw how the lack of squad depth cost us this season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jimbob on Sunday, May 29, 2022, 21:00:00
Many thanks for sharing

👍I do ask/get snippets of info but Iím not properly ITK about everything that goes on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 05:45:57
Is there anyway of knowing when someone started following someone else on Twitter?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 07:42:17
I have been told we will be able to comment once their guy is back in the country as the no comment is from their end. Have also been told that we have started interviewing already.

In regards to budget i think it's a bit misleading. It will likely be similar to last season but with a stronger whole squad. There's some players already on a good wage at the club  and if you look at the likes of Conroy and Paune being on close to £10k a week alone can you blame them for cutting that? That's probably 5/6 players at other clubs


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 08:08:47
I vote that we find budget for one more player and put jollies to Karachi on the ďlow priorityĒ list instead.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Monday, May 30, 2022, 08:42:02
I vote that we find budget for one more player and put jollies to Karachi on the ďlow priorityĒ list instead.

Zav funds that out of his own pocket, allegedly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, May 30, 2022, 08:49:18
Arsenal news site reporting Sol incoming:
https://www.justarsenal.com/former-arsenal-captain-in-line-for-managerial-return/311323?fbclid=IwAR1tTO8sn2dgBbQcCnSHamQU3l29UABmHeoxOCG51yF1B2Ze_SDXCP9XNPI&fs=e&s=cl


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 08:49:31
Sol Campbell  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 08:52:28
Can't stand the bloke


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:04:54
I'd be happy with Sol Campbell


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:06:20
No thanks, massive chip on his shoulder and constantly pulls the racism card as the reason he hasnít got a top managerial job. Nothing to do with the fact he consistently comes across as as thoroughly unlikeable and only interested in himself.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: A Gent Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:12:25
A story written from another story (see link to the Gazette), that was by its own admission taken from bookiesí odds. Which, at least, they admit so now we can ignore it and carry on with our day.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:13:53
Massive case of 2+2=5. Would take with pinch of salt as it's based on the bookies odds only, and the odds aren't short enough that it seems a dead cert.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:15:24
Zav funds that out of his own pocket, allegedly.

Well that pts a different light on it, if true.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:16:21
A story written from another story (see link to the Gazette), that was by its own admission taken from bookiesí odds. Which, at least, they admit so now we can ignore it and carry on with our day.

Phew.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:18:22
Back to work  :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:24:46
Well that pts a different light on it, if true.
Pretty sure it is


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:31:00
Convicted money launderer running a side hustle out of his own pocket in Pakistan, nothing to see here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Krays on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:40:14
We will see. Budget isnít being cut though.
Budget definately being cut, thats 100% true.

ALL the players offered new terms have been offered reduced terms from their previous contracts, Chorley wanted by Charlton and Orient, staff cuts due soon too, not 1st team staff but staff cuts in the background to save money.

Zavier admitting that extra debt has been found, he mentioned several million.

Club is pulling in purse strings, that came from Zaviers mouth at the sponsors evening.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:49:06
Latest from the Charlton end

ĎHe has posted a Whatís app conversation in which Ben Garnerís Dad has told a guy in the convo that BG wants to join us, and has been offered the job, but had declined to sign it as ďSandgaard had put in unrealistic terms similar to what Jackson was on about guaranteeing a play off placeĒ.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 30, 2022, 09:53:54
Budget definately being cut, thats 100% true.

ALL the players offered new terms have been offered reduced terms from their previous contracts, Chorley wanted by Charlton and Orient, staff cuts due soon too, not 1st team staff but staff cuts in the background to save money.

Zavier admitting that extra debt has been found, he mentioned several million.

Club is pulling in purse strings, that came from Zaviers mouth at the sponsors evening.
If external debt has been found, begs the question why it hasn't been noted yet in the advisory board minutes/debt charts.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:01:30
When itís Zavier Austin talking about cutting our budget and finding mystery debts, I worry. All income streams are up. Season tickets, player sales potentially and sell ons maybe as well. I remember when Power was in the shadows for a while and then became a bit more visibleÖ 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:02:17
As previously stated it sounds like we are in turmoil!
One of these if not all😀 "a state of great disturbance, confusion, or uncertainty.
"the country was in turmoil"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:13:46
I have been told we will be able to comment once their guy is back in the country as the no comment is from their end. Have also been told that we have started interviewing already.

In regards to budget i think it's a bit misleading. It will likely be similar to last season but with a stronger whole squad. There's some players already on a good wage at the club  and if you look at the likes of Conroy and Paune being on close to £10k a week alone can you blame them for cutting that? That's probably 5/6 players at other clubs

Conroy & Payne on close to 10k a week is that each or combined as I thought that was lower championship wages?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:24:24
Conroy & Payne on close to 10k a week is that each or combined as I thought that was lower championship wages?

Combined, no way were we/are we paying a single player £10k per week as a flat wage. Payne was rumoured to be around the £5k per week mark of which Lincoln were paying some of this as we took over his remaining 2 years on that contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:26:55
Combined, no way were we/are we paying a single player £10k per week as a flat wage. Payne was rumoured to be around the £5k per week mark of which Lincoln were paying some of this as we took over his remaining 2 years on that contract.

That was my thinking but wasn't sure how it was worded.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:37:59
Quite a few posters on here now alluding to a reduced budget this year. I really hope itís not the case and donít see how it can be after being under embargo,, but if so, what the fuck are the owners playing at?

Trust Rep James Spencer (JanAirplaneMan) on here May know more and now be a good time to address a lot of these rumoursÖ
(Or if you donít know, try find out?)

Adam Hart situation? (New beginnings thread)

Are we somehow on a reduced budget from last year?

10k + crowds and club Saying they want 6k STs and 10k + attendance every game means budget should be VERY healthy and competitive..

Why on earth have we extended STs renewals to June 24- we that skint and desperate?

DOB and now another poster mentioning more debt being found. Is there actually debt or do owners just not have a pot to piss in? Or is it both? Ha.

If the above are true- makes perfect sense as to why Garner has walked


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:44:24
I think a big deep breath and less panic is needed. I know we have had years of shit to deal with but lets have trust in Clem and Rob to sort this out. Im certain we will get communication soon.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:44:33
as said It's perfectly possible to keep the playing budget the same, and fill with more players. fair enough.

budget cuts.. we'll soon see if backroom staff go and none come in

the Adam Hart thing is worrying

nobody wants to destabilise the club/piss off Clem. But ignoring power for too long nearly took us down. better to be sure this isn't that

did anyone talk to Zav at the sponsors evening


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:47:58
as said It's perfectly possible to keep the playing budget the same, and fill with more players. fair enough.

budget cuts.. we'll soon see if backroom staff go and bone come in

the Adam Hart thing is worrying

nobody wants to destabilise the club/piss off Clem. But ignoring power for too long nearly took us down. better to be sure this isn't that

did anyone talk to Zav at the sponsors evening

coulda sworn someone on here said zav was on radio pre vale second leg saying budget be good next season...?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:51:54
To be honest if a club ever needed a rich fan to surface and take on the club itís us. Iím just totally fed up of constantly having crooks and now even significant ex-cons involved with the club, even if innocent in motive itís not a great look after everything that has gone on. We just seem to attract people with questionable backgrounds.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:54:13
To be honest if a club ever needed a rich fan to surface and take on the club itís us. Iím just totally fed up of constantly having crooks and now even significant ex-cons involved with the club, even if innocent in motive itís not a great look after everything that has gone on. We just seem to attract people with questionable backgrounds.
Absolutely mate.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:56:38
To be honest if a club ever needed a rich fan to surface and take on the club itís us. Iím just totally fed up of constantly having crooks and now even significant ex-cons involved with the club, even if innocent in motive itís not a great look after everything that has gone on. We just seem to attract people with questionable backgrounds.

The scale of how rich that fan has to be has changed so much over the years though - in the olden days a local businessman running the club was viable. Now you probably need to have £50m+ in the bank (and be prepared to spend a good chunk of it) in order to make any real progress as a club, and even that is probably only to L1 level. You need to be a billionaire to make any real impact Champo and above (or very good at running stuff a la Brentford).

Not sure there is a Town fan that meets those requirements. Your man from Excalibur seemed like he might go down that path at one point, think he's involved in the Trust now? Same with Jez Webb at Supermarine - maybe a generation ago those guys run STFC. It's not really viable any more.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 10:58:17
difficult because they genuinely could be reformed characters.

just wish it was Clem and no baggage


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:05:48

Just on the brentford point, no doubt they made it without spending ridiculous amounts and using a moneyball approach- but they still owe Matthew Benham £60m.. obviously being a fan hes not going to call it in.

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1379051657812713473?lang=en-GB





Oh yeah, totally agree - I just mean that if you're good at running stuff you spend a lot *less* - you still need to be a multi, multi-millionaire, but probably don't need to have billions!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:07:32
How can they have found extra debt when they just published the accounts?

Club are employing people behind the scenes so doubtful they're cutting the budget there either.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:09:16
How can they have found extra debt when they just published the accounts?

Club are employing people behind the scenes so doubtful they're cutting the budget there either.

'Extra debt' could quite easily translate and be a smokescreen to say 'we aint got a pot to piss in' haha.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:10:29
Memory fading with age. Whoís this Adam bloke?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:14:13
Quote from: Tails
How can they have found extra debt when they just published the accounts?
.

No idea. Aren't the accounts 20-21?

Not sure how reliable a (presumably drunk?) Zavi is


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:18:08
Quote
Memory fading with age. Whoís this Adam bloke?
no it isn't .

was a name I first heard only a few days ago, on here.

- former Britain's most wanted.
- ate a SIM card when arrested (15 years ago?).
- ex kickboxer
- used to be a director of a building (?) company Austin is a director of
- was a picture posted on here that seem to show him on STFC duty

that's literally all I know from on here. no idea if he has an official role, etc


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:22:49
Budget definately being cut, thats 100% true.

ALL the players offered new terms have been offered reduced terms from their previous contracts, Chorley wanted by Charlton and Orient, staff cuts due soon too, not 1st team staff but staff cuts in the background to save money.

Zavier admitting that extra debt has been found, he mentioned several million.

Club is pulling in purse strings, that came from Zaviers mouth at the sponsors evening.

They are trying to dramatically slash the Security SIA team costs by offering less than current.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:28:36
They are trying to dramatically slash the Security SIA team costs by offering less than current.
One thought on this, which I may be completely wrong about so apologies if this is the case, but wasnt this security company ran by Powers mates? So 'allegedly' may have had a lucrative deal at the club in a jobs for the boys sense.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:29:27
One thought on this, which I may be completely wrong about so apologies if this is the case, but wasnt this security company ran by Powers mates? So 'allegedly' may have had a lucrative deal at the club in a jobs for the boys sense.

Platinum & 'Dolph'


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:33:12
I do think we should hold fire and see what 'cuts' are made. If we get rid of staff members who are deemed surplus and trim the security down and recruit a bigger squad on a smaller wage whilst at the same time purchasing the ground renovating the pitch and club shop is that a bad thing?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 11:50:36
Securing the ground is massive, so yes of course it needs funding somehow.

not sure the ship needs doing but that'll be peanuts in comparison.

guess it depends what the cuts are.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:00:36
Securing the ground is massive, so yes of course it needs funding somehow.

not sure the ship needs doing but that'll be peanuts in comparison.

guess it depends what the cuts are.

First the Karachi nonsense and now we've bought a ship? Something's not right.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:04:25
Adver says Charlton say they haven't made a decision yet.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20175267.latest-ben-garners-potential-move-charlton-athletic/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:06:46
Quote from: Private Fraser
Adver says Charlton say they haven't made a decision yet.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20175267.latest-ben-garners-potential-move-charlton-athletic/ (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20175267.latest-ben-garners-potential-move-charlton-athletic/)

yeah, it's directly from the end of here

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/628fba3a8137c/mens-first-team-to-travel-to-spain-for-pre-season-training-camp


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:16:12
Wouldnít an overseas tour be a thing the manager should have input into?

Maybe their fans are right. Sandegaard - and his son - really want to dictate things themselves.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:16:40
yeah, it's directly from the end of here

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/628fba3a8137c/mens-first-team-to-travel-to-spain-for-pre-season-training-camp

Cue an announcement this afternoon  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:20:14
If CAFC decide against BG, is his position untenable?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:22:23
Yes


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:22:27
Cue an announcement this afternoon  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

100% guaranteed*

* not a guarantee

If CAFC decide against BG, is his position untenable?

Difficult one. The club say "he's decided to stay at Swindon" then what?
He's going to be under enormous pressure to get the team into at least the playoffs early on. But wasn't he anyway?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:28:11
He clearly wanted to talk to Charlton which means he does not see his long term future here


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Townend80 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:30:45
Budget definately being cut, thats 100% true.

ALL the players offered new terms have been offered reduced terms from their previous contracts, Chorley wanted by Charlton and Orient, staff cuts due soon too, not 1st team staff but staff cuts in the background to save money.

Zavier admitting that extra debt has been found, he mentioned several million.

Club is pulling in purse strings, that came from Zaviers mouth at the sponsors evening.

BS if I was a creditor and was owed Ďmillionsí o would not wait a full year to make myself known.

Scaremongering lies


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:30:56
He clearly wanted to talk to Charlton which means he does not see his long term future here

Indeed, but (even ignoring recent conversations) we surely can't afford to sack him out of his contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:42:55
Indeed, but (even ignoring recent conversations) we surely can't afford to sack him out of his contract.

That is the catch 22 surely, do we keep him and fear that if he gets off to a good start another club will offer him a job and he will be off leaving us looking for a new manager and hope a new manager  can work with existing players or do we decide to keep Garner and and hope he decides to stay and not walk at first opportunity.

Also, with it out there, fans will have less patience with him the first sign of a couple of bad games, fans will want him sacked and it will affect morale of the team - not good for a club wanting promotion

And then there is the player factor - playing for a manager that potentially wants to leave - will they give 100% for him, will players renew contracts thinking the manager could be off and not knowing who they will be playing for


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:44:15
I'd rather he was gone now tbh.

Its a shame, but he's kind of backed himself into his own corner (with the help of the journo)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:54:30
I'd rather he was gone now tbh.

Its a shame, but he's kind of backed himself into his own corner (with the help of the journo)
This.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Krays on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:56:59
BS if I was a creditor and was owed Ďmillionsí o would not wait a full year to make myself known.

Scaremongering lies
Why would Zavier try to scare fans?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 12:59:31
So he doesnít get beaten up on his doorstep again?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:02:48
That is the catch 22 surely, do we keep him and fear that if he gets off to a good start another club will offer him a job and he will be off leaving us looking for a new manager and hope a new manager  can work with existing players or do we decide to keep Garner and and hope he decides to stay and not walk at first opportunity.

Also, with it out there, fans will have less patience with him the first sign of a couple of bad games, fans will want him sacked and it will affect morale of the team - not good for a club wanting promotion

And then there is the player factor - playing for a manager that potentially wants to leave - will they give 100% for him, will players renew contracts thinking the manager could be off and not knowing who they will be playing for

The problem I have with this argument is that any aspiring young manager/coach with career ambitions and a mortgage to pay will want some career progression when it's offered.  Talk of 'loyalty' makes very little sense in that context.  Why should Ben Garner put loyalty to his employer above all these other considerations?

His line of work is brutal.  A string of bad results, and he's gone.  The loyalty argument doesn't sit right with me at all.  The rest of us would reasonably expect to be able to take our talents to a new employer if that employer was offering an improved package and better career prospects.  So why not BG?  Sure, it's disappointing as fan to see a manager who had a decent first season move on.  But that's football, and that's Swindon.  We should be used to this by now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:06:05
Not many are fussed if he goes. Itís being left dangling on a string that has pissed people off.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:11:37
Not many are fussed if he goes. Itís being left dangling on a string that has pissed people off.

Thatís not Garners fault though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:14:47
Thatís not Garners fault though.
Unless he has not accepted their (bonus related) offer, as has been suggested.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:15:17
Who knows? Whatever, managers leaving one club for another arenít like this saga.

He was happy enough to sign a 4 year deal then bale at the first opportunity.

That spells cunt, to me. Although, perversely, Iíll be glad when heís gone. Just donít like getting screwed over.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:18:20
Not fussed either way just hope it doesn't drag on and start to effect our summers recruitment etc.

Think he should probably go but if he stays and we make a couple of decent signings I think most fans would probably move on pretty quickly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Robinz on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:21:07
If ever there was a time for Clem Morfuni to stand up and make a statement it's now.

It seems Clem owns STFC via several shelf companies who in truth nobody really can tell or knows who and how much is owed by them.

If it's correct what posters have said that Austin claims an other few million pounds of debt has some now appeared the question must be Clem Where has hell has this debt come from and who is it owed too.?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:23:09
Clean break preferable.

Garner is central to the squad that is built.

1.  How does his Charlton ambition sit with players who might otherwise be attracted to work under him?
2.  How does that ambition contribute to the CG atmosphere (not always the most robust) when things are not going our way?
3.  How would the usual "manager under pressure" guff sit with the fans: "I am dedicated to seeing X Football Club promoted/avoid relegation and won't be going anywhere unless advised otherwise".
 
I accept managers have careers.  However, the squad, the staff, the fans need a coach/leader who will inspire and who is clearly committed to the season, to the next phase at least of the project.

There will be less cost and less disruption if we get rid now and start with a clean slate, imo.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:32:09
Would we have to pay up his 4 year contract in full anyway?

He should get another job that matches our presumably modest wages with ease.  That mitigates any claim in most fields of employment.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Townend80 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:34:38
Why would Zavier try to scare fans?

Why would he say on local radio heís excited about our transfer targets 🤷🏻‍♂️ Believe none of it. Why would a creditor Whoís owed millions not make yourself know at time of take over?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:37:37
I'd be more upset if Chorley leaves tbh

A manager leaves for another club at the first glimpse of suggested success or they get sacked for a poor run..there's no loyalty either way.. the life expediency of a league manager is pretty short and this should be baked into any long term strategy and this is where the DOF comes into it.

Best get interviewing/shortlisting now and ready to get things moving asap when it's needed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:50:11
Rob Angus told me at the home P.O game that BG already had his new targets identified regardless of scenario. Why do that then leave? The whole thing is strange.

Mind you, we didnít know what was really behind Wellenís decision until it was too late.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Townend80 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:52:11
Heíd not been approached then. You must remember Charlton are a bigger club, bigger budget in a higher league not to mention garner is from that neck of the woods. Course heís interested


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Moss on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:53:26
Who knows? Whatever, managers leaving one club for another arenít like this saga.

He was happy enough to sign a 4 year deal then bale at the first opportunity.

That spells cunt, to me. Although, perversely, Iíll be glad when heís gone. Just donít like getting screwed over.

FFS - of course he was happy to sign a 4 year deal. That's 4 years wages if he gets sacked.

If that means he's a cunt then I'd suggest by your definition everyone you know is a cunt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:55:32
Chorley has resigned. On Official site.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:58:44
Chorley has resigned. On Official site.

Oh fuck.

Not hitting the panic button yet, but certainly have got it out of the draw and plugged it in.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:59:13
Something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

Very rotten...panic button at the ready...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 13:59:48
Chorley has resigned. On Official site.


Cue meltdown. Bad news. No way of spinning it otherwise. Interesting that the club has asked the fans to ďbare withĒ them though. Thatís the last thing we need.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:00:07
Red alert.

set faces to stunned


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:00:32
Rage incoming


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:01:03
Quote
"I personally, and on behalf of Swindon Town Football Club, would like to thank Ben Chorley for all the hard work he has done.

"We wish him all the best in the future in his endeavours.

"Please bare with us as we continue to strengthen our club ahead of the 2022-23 season.

"COYR."

Clem Morfuni.

Could do with a bit more detail than that to be honest Clem.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:01:47
Im wondering if this is because a manager instead of a coach is coming in to replace Garner.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:02:46
It will be interesting to see where we go from here. We don't have a lot of time to work with. Hopefully they can announce the Garner to Charlton avec compo soon and we can turn the page on that chapter. 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:03:14
I imagine Garner will be announced shortly (probably today) with a manger announcement soon after that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:03:20
I'm very much someone who has always remained in the calm and measured camp, even throughout the Power years, but the last week or so has left me feeling at a complete loss with the club. Something just doesn't feel right at all.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:06:30
Unfortunately Chorley was very much central to our football operation so it's a little bit concerning. He was involved in Sports science to Scouting so that's very much in the air as to what happens now.

Strap yourselves in guys.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:10:09
I suppose it doesn't necessarily mean mass player exodus but knowing our luck it probably does


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:10:25
 :facepalm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:10:52
We go again


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:10:59
Concerning, the fact he was waiting in the background while the takeover was being done.. it was like he was Clem's man to build the football strategy. I assume not good things are happening in the background, broken promises, etc...?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:11:18
That's the decision on my season ticket sorted.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:12:48
This has all the hallmarks of shit about to hit the fan!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:13:05
That's the decision on my season ticket sorted.

You are getting one because you're a fan of Swindon or not because you're a fan of Ben Chorley? Could you clear this up?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:13:55
For those keeping track, I think this is now the new, new, new manager and/or director of football thread.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:14:21
Not going to get one if things are going to shit.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:15:01
Not going to get one if things are going to shit.

Thought that was your angle 👍


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:15:35
We haven't had a Power Hour on BBC Wilts in a while, feels like it's about time we had Clem's Mem's on there, a lot of answers are required for a lot of questions right now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:16:04
We all dream of a club of Louis reed? As director of footballÖ is Louis reed


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:18:04
Every time this club takes a step forward, we somehow manage to get a kick in the nuts.

Was OK to see Garner go, as we still had the continuity of Chorley, now that's gone as well.
I'd imagine it was him that convinced the players to join, so will be interesting to see how many of them stay


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:19:18
So, everyone is desperate to get the hell out of Dodge. Not often this many people leg it to another club - especially one with a seemingly madcap owner who sticks his beak into every aspect. Not a good look for STFC.

Just when it appeared the club was ready to build and kick on from a decent season, it all seems it was an illusion.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:24:30
Anyone who is ďin the knowĒ have any further info on why he left?!  :badmood:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:25:03
I'd be more upset if Chorley leaves tbh

A manager leaves for another club at the first glimpse of suggested success or they get sacked for a poor run..there's no loyalty either way.. the life expediency of a league manager is pretty short and this should be baked into any long term strategy and this is where the DOF comes into it.

Best get interviewing/shortlisting now and ready to get things moving asap when it's needed.

This aged well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:27:13
Quote from: JoeMezz
We all dream of a club of Louis reed? As director of footballÖ is Louis reed

that made me laugh more than it should


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:27:37
This club is ridiculous. There was me expecting a routine pre season this time around.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Moss on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:27:45
I'm hoping he's joining Garner - if not then it stinks....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:28:28
I'm hoping he's joining Garner - if not then it stinks....

The irony is Chorley will go to Charlton & Garner won't get the job :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:29:21
Anyone who is ďin the knowĒ have any further info on why he left?!  :badmood:

Better offer I would expect.  Anyone ITK is probably keeping things to themselves, to avoid the sarcastic pitchforks that are branded regularly..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:29:45
Or Chorley is joining Wellens!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: WEBBERhyde on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:29:52
When the Garner story broke, i was musing to friends, "what is it that keeps DOFs at clubs then?". Are they not subject to the same salary/profile progression as any other lower league manager or player?

To my mind it wouldn't be surprising if he's been headhunted by a bigger club, which obviously shits all over the idea that you get stability from a DOF model if managers were to move on.

This is my reasoning to avoid having to think about the other option of the club being royally fucked/out of money in the background, anyway.  :crash:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:30:11
I'm hoping he's joining Garner - if not then it stinks....

My gut says it's more likely to be Orient..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:30:49
This club is ridiculous. There was me expecting a routine pre season this time around.

Supermarine, Eastleigh, Melksham.....seems pretty routine.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crozzer on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:31:39
Just speculation, but it would make sense that Charlton would want both Garner and Chorley.  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:33:19
This is pure speculation and based purely on the baseless rumours about budget cuts and debt etc.

However assuming the debt thing is true, perhaps we can't afford to have a manager/coach and DOF in the structure and we'll go for the old fashioned manager that prefers to work alone.

Who the fuck knows really, should be an interesting week, although I think I said that last week as well!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:33:25
Why would he say on local radio heís excited about our transfer targets 🤷🏻‍♂️ Believe none of it. Why would a creditor Whoís owed millions not make yourself know at time of take over?

Just to get into the spirit of things* but could the club be bracing itself to having to pick up the Standing dues.

*i.e. wild and way off the mark speculation.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:34:09
Supermarine, Eastleigh, Melksham.....seems pretty routine.

Along with Cardiff and one or two others!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crozzer on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:34:15
My gut says it's more likely to be Orient..

Could be, used to play for them.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:37:24
So for the past few months, all the targets that Chorley and Garner were planning for next season are a complete waste of time. Brilliant.

Something isn't right. Ringing fans begging to waive refunds, extending ST renewals, talks of budget cuts etc. I feel a bit sick tbh.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:42:42
So for the past few months, all the targets that Chorley and Garner were planning for next season are a complete waste of time. Brilliant.

Not entirely. All of the players that Chorley was paid for by us to scout, tap up, etc, will now roll up at whichever club he ends up at. If thatís FC Karachi, then maybe the mystery link will start to pay off, as we can (immovable immigration laws aside) just loan them here after theyíve signed for Karachi.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:44:55
Like other have said, perhaps the trust chap on here can shed some light, any light as the past week 5 days has made all Town fans fear the worse again. Something doesn't appear to be right.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:45:53
On the plus side - thatís now 4 lots of compo!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:46:51
Where's all the ITK's when you need them😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:47:40
On the plus side - thatís now 4 lots of compo!

Chorley resigned


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:48:14
On the plus side - thatís now 4 lots of compo!

Do you get Compo for a DOF who resigns?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:50:26
Well, I presume heís got a contract - same as Garner. Garner will resign - eventually - and weíll get compo for him, as well as the 2 coaches.

Whatís the difference?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:51:19
What about the sports scientist?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:52:16
Just off to buy my Clem t-shirt from the club shop.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:52:49
Something isn't right. Ringing fans begging to waive refunds, extending ST renewals, talks of budget cuts etc. I feel a bit sick tbh.

Angling to change the matchday ticket prices.
Getting rid of some season ticket family categories/Looking to abolish the U21 category
Fleecing the fans over the Man City game.


Looking at things in isolation can be read in two ways. Absolute ruthlessness running the club making sure every penny goes to the cause. Or we are in the shit.

Things like managers and DoF leaving don't leave the most warm and fuzzy feeling.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:53:11
Don't buy a Garner one just in case.......


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:53:45
Trust and believe


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:54:02
Whatís the difference?

That very much depends on the contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:54:28
Angling to change the matchday ticket prices.
Getting rid of some season ticket family categories/Looking to abolish the U21 category
Fleecing the fans over the Man City game.


Looking at things in isolation can be read in two ways. Absolute ruthlessness running the club making sure every penny goes to the cause. Or we are in the shit.

Things like managers and DoF leaving don't leave the most warm and fuzzy feeling.

And yet, weíve paid down a heap of debt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:55:44
Clem kept going on about transparency.. now's a good time to follow through on that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:56:06
That very much depends on the contract.
Exactly. But just to say weíll get nowt just because heís resigned is daft.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:56:16
Peterborough fleedced the fans v Man City the same as Man Utd did to Middlesbrough. It must be a Cup thing!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:56:50
Clem kept going on about transparency.. now's a good time to follow through on that
Iíd imagine thereís a few on here about to follow through!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:56:53
And yet, weíve paid down a heap of debt.

We ''The fans'' have done so.

 My worry at the start of all of this was ''what's in this for Clem, what's his end game?'' Probably of tangent a bit but it's even more ringing in my ears now.....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:57:08
As someone who had Power pegged as a cunt from the start, but thoroughly believe(d) Clem & Co are the real deal.....there is a lot of red flags at the moment, it has to be said.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:58:45
I suspect itíll all be ok. But thereís a failure of communication at the moment which triggers our fan base - weíre naturally suspicious. I suspect we wouldnít be if Austin wasnít around. There will be things they cannot comment on, but the radio silence isnít the answer.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 14:58:48
A respected poster told me a couple of months ago Chorley would be gone in the summer


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:00:45
Unless it's because we're appointing a ''Manager'' who would want ''SOL'' control. A bad one I know but couldn't help it. For the record I do not want either Sol Campbell or Mark Cooper!!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:00:46
We don't have any respected posters  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:01:38
We don't have any respected posters  :)

You can tell him😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:02:48
A lot of people getting themselves in a state based on not a lot beyond rumour, hearsay and conjecture.

Yes the club is doing everything to increase revenue, and the odd decision has left a bad taste. However, Clem is not the person to bankrole the club, the club has to be run as a going concern, not even counting the debts to pay off. If we want a squad the size the fans expect, or players of the quality we enjoy watching then its right for the club to try and make every penny they can. There is a line, and if they start pissing off fans then they will need to rethink, but needs must honestly.

A real shame Chorley has left. He was behind the Garner appointment and i know Wellens has name checked his ability to scout and bring in great talent at this level. But this is what happens, unless you capitilise on good seasons then the best performers are poached or look for opportunities elsewhere. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.

Wait and see on Garner at this point, but the same as above. Can't object to anyone wanting to further their career and earnings.

Shame for us as always, that we can't build on anything. The only time its happened recently was arguably, Wellens having half a season and then complete preseason before winning the league.

Lets see whats around the corner.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:03:57
Turmoil😀😀😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:04:18
Sol it will be then... Wonder if he can link up with Micky Tets at Arsenal for some loan prospects.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:05:11
Clem kept going on about transparency.. now's a good time to follow through on that

Reading his "Limited" statement on the official site, I get the feeling he's a bit pissed off that Chorley has resigned


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:06:23
Aberdeen seen hammering down Pipers Way in his Ford Focus to try and get his old job back!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:06:46
Nicky Hammond😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:09:27
Exactly. But just to say weíll get nowt just because heís resigned is daft.

Do the same rules apply to everyone at a football club?

For instance would we get combo for a media officer or a Stadium Director that resigned & took up a position elsewhere, probably not.

Whereas players and managers you would expect so.

The question is does a DOF sit in the first camp or the second?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:09:50
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Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:11:13
So weíre going from 2 Bens to No Bens. Ummm!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:11:20
Peterborough fleedced the fans v Man City the same as Man Utd did to Middlesbrough. It must be a Cup thing!

Except they didn't in the end, as Season Ticket holders got tickets for normal matchday prices.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:12:44
Except they didn't in the end, as Season Ticket holders got tickets for normal matchday prices.

I wasn't privy to that info


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:13:15
So weíre going from 2 Bens to No Bens. Ummm!

The only Ben left is the "Uncle Bens"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:13:22
Rob Angus is off on his holidays soon, so weíd better get a move on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:14:35
I wasn't privy to that info

Yeah, the ST holders complained to the club so they backed down and had two different sets of ticket prices, something that we said couldn't be done


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:15:07
Clem kept going on about transparency.. now's a good time to follow through on that

Fuck off Ben, you disloyal so and so!! ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:15:32
Ah, well. Another ready made excuse for another underachieving season to come.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:16:08
Yeah, the ST holders complained to the club so they backed down and had two different sets of ticket prices, something that we said couldn't be done

I thought that was the reason & like you said, we were told that wasn't possible.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:16:51
Come on Clem, you worked wonders last season you can do it again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:16:58
Do the same rules apply to everyone at a football club?

For instance would we get combo for a media officer or a Stadium Director that resigned & took up a position elsewhere, probably not.

Whereas players and managers you would expect so.

The question is does a DOF sit in the first camp or the second?

Doesn't say resigned with immediate effect.

Other higher up staff (dof for e.g.) staff usually have a notice period so he may not be able to start for 3 months for e.g. for the new club if he has that type of notice period, or the other club pay compo to release him from his contract early, that notice period would go both ways as well, he may be on 'garden leave' now.

We need to situation with Garner and his staff cleaned up now, and then for Clem to do an interview and let us know what has been going on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:17:17
Has the work started on the bank roof yet?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:18:31
This may be a dumb question, but here goes. If we have no Manager, no DOF and the CEO is on his holidays, whose doing the contract negotiations?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:22:14
This may be a dumb question, but here goes. If we have no Manager, no DOF and the CEO is on his holidays, whose doing the contract negotiations?

Football Phil.

They lock them in a room together until the player gives in and agrees to anything we want


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:23:29
Then we read about it in Saturday's football pink'


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:27:54
Quote from: Posh Red
Football Phil.

They lock them in a room together until the player gives in and agrees to anything we want

that's actually a pretty good negotiating tactic. More effective but slightly more cruel than waterboarding


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Mr Stevens on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:28:30
Can I raise a practical question at this point. Are we doing Stonehenge tonight?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:30:00
Quote from: Mr Stevens
Can I raise a practical question at this point. Are we doing Stonehenge tonight?

you've lost me


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:33:44
Spinal Tap?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:37:54
Whatís nextÖ mckirdy Reed and Williams to follow? Why not aye.

Points deduction possible yet in all

Up the national league reds 🚀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:47:43
Presume this is a wind up

ĎNixonís Patreon: #stfc

SWINDON: DoF exit paves way for Campbell appointment. Wanted sole control of transfers to which club agreed. Expected to bring in Graham Rix as assistant manager.í


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:49:06
Presume this is a wind up

ĎNixonís Patreon: #stfc

SWINDON: DoF exit paves way for Campbell appointment. Wanted sole control of transfers to which club agreed. Expected to bring in Graham Rix as assistant manager.í
There are people that believe this on twitter. Madness


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:49:31
Presume this is a wind up

ĎNixonís Patreon: #stfc

SWINDON: DoF exit paves way for Campbell appointment. Wanted sole control of transfers to which club agreed. Expected to bring in Graham Rix as assistant manager.í

It is.

Nixon has said Chorley leaving is a shock as he was Ďin with the bricksí


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:50:16
Itís just possible that:Ö.
* Garner has left and Chorley for the exact same reason. Not because weíre skint, but because Charlton is a bigger club and they are ambitious. Iím fine with that.
* Austin has turned a corner and isnít a rogue. Maybe.
* The rumours about reduced budget are wide of the mark - or half the truth. Reduced terms to individual players is fine if thatís because the budget is going on a larger squad.
* The absence of comms from the club isnít because thereís anything to hide, but because theyíre busy interviewing and negotiating terms with Carrick/Delaney/someone else promising.
* Weíll be a very different place in 2 daysí time.
* and a dead cert that Nixon, pals with Paul Jewell if his antics when he was DOF are anything to go by, is on the wind up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:52:19
Itís just possible that:Ö.
* Garner has left and Chorley for the exact same reason. Not because weíre skint, but because Charlton is a bigger club and they are ambitious. Iím fine with that.
* Austin has turned a corner and isnít a rogue. Maybe.
* The rumours about reduced budget are wide of the mark - or half the truth. Reduced terms to individual players is fine if thatís because the budget is going on a larger squad.
* The absence of comms from the club isnít because thereís anything to hide, but because theyíre busy interviewing and negotiating terms with Carrick/Delaney/someone else promising.
* Weíll be a very different place in 2 daysí time.
* and a dead cert that Nixon, pals with Paul Jewell if his antics when he was DOF are anything to go by, is on the wind up.
Or weíve got a points deduction incoming and wonít be competitive next season


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:53:25
Imagine if we had got promoted with all this going on😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 15:54:02
Can I raise a practical question at this point. Are we doing Stonehenge tonight?

Of course we're not doing bloody Stonehenge.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:03:00
mentioned Adam Hart on Twitter

"Isnít AH part of McFarlane Training Systems the Sport scientist team at the club? Though the Director link with ZA needs asking."

I guess then that's an indirect association with the club


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Krays on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:06:15
Scaremongering lies
Still think its all lies cunt?
Chorley wanted by Charlton and Orient, staff cuts due soon too, not 1st team staff but staff cuts in the background to save money.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:13:14
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/U9DvKcwEVv5njhZRRa/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:14:50
We don't have any respected posters  :)
I was thinking that too :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:15:01
If BC is wanted by Orient. Maybe theyíre getting BG as well and weíll get Wellens back.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:17:44
If BC is wanted by Orient. Maybe theyíre getting BG as well and weíll get Wellens back.
The plot thickens !


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:20:26
hahaha who started the Graham Rix rumour on Twitter

brilliant. so many bites


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Krays on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:20:41
If BC is wanted by Orient. Maybe theyíre getting BG as well and weíll get Wellens back.
Dont get your hopes up, if RW was out of work then maybe, as it stands, no hope in hell


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:21:16
Quote from: 4D
Spinal Tap?  :sherlock:

of course .

(never as good as Bad News)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:22:00
hahaha who started the Graham Rix rumour on Twitter

brilliant. so many bites
Would have been just as believable if they said Rolf Harris with Jimmy Saville as assistant, more bites than night in a mosquito farm!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:24:48
What the hell is going on with this club? How in heaven's name can we in eleven days go from a club looking to be on the up to being, on the face of it, an absolute basket case?

Nothing but rumours, innuendo and p!ss taking from certain sources and absolutely nothing from the Club itself (apart from the only definite move of Ben Chorley leaving). It is not what I expect considering the "openness" we have seen this last season and would appreciate some sort of statement even if it turms out eventually to be a load of old sphericals, better that than this continued silence.

Not a very happy bunny currently.  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:24:59
Would have been just as believable if they said Rolf Harris with Jimmy Saville as assistant, more bites than night in a mosquito farm!
I'm still shitting myself about the Campbell possibility.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:29:21
Quote from: Frigby Daser
Itís just possible that:Ö.
* Garner has left and Chorley for the exact same reason. Not because weíre skint, but because Charlton is a bigger club and they are ambitious. Iím fine with that.
* Austin has turned a corner and isnít a rogue. Maybe.
* The rumours about reduced budget are wide of the mark - or half the truth. Reduced terms to individual players is fine if thatís because the budget is going on a larger squad.
* The absence of comms from the club isnít because thereís anything to hide, but because theyíre busy interviewing and negotiating terms with Carrick/Delaney/someone else promising.
* Weíll be a very different place in 2 daysí time.
* and a dead cert that Nixon, pals with Paul Jewell if his antics when he was DOF are anything to go by, is on the wind up.

anywhere from there to another implosion is possible.

as a fan base we've largely  become used to being shat on - so we revert to expecting that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:30:10
Why is there all this questioning the whole set up at the club just because the team management set up has left?

Aren't we all used to this happening?

Managers do well in a season. If the club is promoted and looks like there's a chance of making progress in a higher league they may stay.If not chances are someone will poach them. It's been like this since Macari.

Someone comes in for our players or coaching staff from a higher league with a bump in salary then if they can pay the fee they'll likely get them. If you can't deal with that without getting your knickers in a twist then supporting Swindon might not be for you. Because we're not going to be Man City at any time soon.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:30:20
I'm still shitting myself about the Campbell possibility.
If it gets us a manager who cares then why not, could be worse, I am warming to the idea of Sol although I fully expect it to be a young untried untested academy manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:31:41
Quote from: adje
I'm still shitting myself about the Campbell possibility.

+1

though to point out I said the same about wellens


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:32:24
+1

though to point out I said the same about wellens
And Garner TBF after what Rovers fans said.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:38:15
I'm still shitting myself about the Campbell possibility.

As recent history has shown, our preconceived notions about managerial candidates do not often mirror actual performance.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:39:16
Blimey, that Sol Campbell and Rix fishing trip has certainly reeled in a few on Twatter..  How can people honestly believe that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, May 30, 2022, 16:43:05
And Garner TBF after what Rovers fans said.
Personally I'm far more anxious about the possibility of Campbell,probably because I'm not a fan of the man,than I was about the other two. Mainly because the other two were appointed after pretty shit seasons whereas this time it's on the back of a fairly successful one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:08:13
The bloke dosen't inspire me when he talks


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:15:25
Please can we stop talking about Campbell it's never going to happen. Rob Angus has even liked a tweet on twitter saying so.Unreal the meltdown this has bought on. Let's wait and see what happens before the we write everything off. There were noises a while ago that Chorley is off this summer, this i doubt is a huge suprise to the club


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:20:12
Please can we stop talking about Campbell it's never going to happen. Rob Angus has even liked a tweet on twitter saying so.Unreal the meltdown this has bought on. Let's wait and see what happens before the we write everything off. There were noises a while ago that Chorley is off this summer, this i doubt is a huge suprise to the club

Well said :clap:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:22:56
Quote from: Shrivvy Road
Please can we stop talking about Campbell it's never going to happen. Rob Angus has even liked a tweet on twitter saying so.Unreal the meltdown this has bought on. Let's wait and see what happens before the we write everything off. There were noises a while ago that Chorley is off this summer, this i doubt is a huge suprise to the club

noooo.. watching people lose their shit at this and particularly Rix has cheered me up


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:32:45
Getting weirder.

Apparently Charlton arenít in the market for a DoF. They expect a new manager to be installed within the next 2 weeks before they go off to Spain for a pre season training camp.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:34:35
Orient maybe...


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:45:17
Quote
Orient maybe...
already have one
 Martin someone or other  ;)

just because he was DoF here doesn't mean he will be one elsewhere


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:46:23
James Spencer currently on tonight's Supporters Club Monday Night Panel. Sounds like it's going to take several days before we know who's going and coming. Confirmed budget not being cut. Source - Mytton discussion with Angus today.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:46:46
Orient fans say theyíre swapping Wellens/Ling for the 2 Bens!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:48:26
Getting weirder.

Apparently Charlton arenít in the market for a DoF. They expect a new manager to be installed within the next 2 weeks before they go off to Spain for a pre season training camp.
Surely we won't wait up to two weeks to find out if we have a manager or not. Bit of a piss take if we don't know what's happening by the end of the week latest.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:50:24
With Chorley departing now, presumably thereís half a season of prep already gone into summer recruitment targets and that work will be the property of the club to make use of once a new gaffer is in place?

Otherwise Iím not sure what weíve paid Chorley for since the January window closed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:51:41
James Spencer currently on tonight's Supporters Club Monday Night Panel. Sounds like it's going to take several days before we know who's going and coming. Confirmed budget not being cut. Source - Mytton discussion with Angus today.

Panel going to be talking about the "new debt" soon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:51:57
James Spencer currently on tonight's Supporters Club Monday Night Panel. Sounds like it's going to take several days before we know who's going and coming. Confirmed budget not being cut. Source - Mytton discussion with Angus today.

What did he say about the additional debt as my feed cut out.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, May 30, 2022, 17:53:42
 :sherlock:
What did he say about the additional debt as my feed cut out.

They haven't yet. Currently talking about potential new managers.

Edit : According to Spencer, Trust not aware of any new debt (certainly not discussed at Advisory Board). Only aware of outstanding debenture, which he says is "being dealt with". Aware of what Zav said at Sponsors' Evening but Zav hasn't said anything similar to Spencer. Spencer thinks it's more "rumour than substance".

Edit: Spencer thinks Clem/Angus are wedded to the DoF/Coach model and will be looking to replicate it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 18:33:13
Thought he was coach of the Stoke womenís team


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 18:35:03
Google search says that is the case, yes


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 18:48:57
Sol Campbell link is BS


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Whingy the poo on Monday, May 30, 2022, 18:54:27

Off topic, Sorry

Does anyone know how much the broadcast fee was we got from Sky sports for the two playoff games? :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, May 30, 2022, 18:57:16
Sky sports paid us £30,000 per home team.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:01:37
So we can take from that then the following

No hidden debt
No Budget cut on the pitch
Replacements being looked at
Sol Campbell not in contention


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:04:12
Just to completely play devils advocate.

Garner was bought in as the cheap option just to see us until the end of the season. He's done ok, interest has arisen from other clubs but we aren't arsed so have let him go. New manager lined up, wants full control on transfers so Chorley has resigned. New gaffer in, budget increased, Charlie Austin through the door (hence extending ST renewals) and everything is rosy again!



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:09:59
Apart from the fact we gave him, and he accepted, a 4 year contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:13:24
Apart from the fact we gave him, and he accepted, a 4 year contract.

3 year contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boeta on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:24:51
Zav Austin DoF and Adam Hart Manager sounds good ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:26:15
Hearing Richieís name more and more


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:30:19
All the panel were saying Wellens. He wanted to come back last summer but it never quite happened. Apparently has said in the media he wanted to come back.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:31:00
Zav Austin DoF and Adam Hart Manager sounds good ;)
God , Don't get them started


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:33:51
Hearing Richieís name more and more

Reliable scource?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:35:29
I have met Zav Austin twice at STFC events and both times he has been running his mouth and telling fans things which he should really be keeping to himself. The bloke comes across as a total liability.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:36:21
Ben & Ben packed up their stuff and left the CG over a week ago.
This is no surprise.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:37:10
I have met Zav Austin twice at STFC events and both times he has been running his mouth and telling fans things which he should really be keeping to himself. The bloke comes across as a total liability.


He comes across as the same brand of chancer tool as Jed and Power, sadly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:38:55
Quote from: Boeta
Zav Austin DoF and Adam Hart Manager sounds good ;)

that's absolute bullcrap.

utter rubbish.

they won't work with Rix


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:44:16
Ben & Ben packed up their stuff and left the CG over a week ago.
This is no surprise.

Where is this from?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:45:04
Campbell now 5/2


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cowley38 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:45:31
Where is this from?

Chorley went before the playoffs....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:46:30
Where is this from?

The CGÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:48:03
Chorley went before the playoffs....

Well he was at the first leg, so thatís not true.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:48:43
Chorley went before the playoffs....
No he didn't


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Cowley38 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:50:53
Well he was at the first leg, so thatís not true.

He announced he was leaving at the end of the season before the play offs.....





Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Monday, May 30, 2022, 19:50:57
The CGÖ
Are you ďin the knowĒ as well? ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Monday, May 30, 2022, 20:02:20
Sol Campbell link is BS

There is no Sol Campbell link. He's just had a few people bet on him for the job so bookies have narrowed his odds. Someone's obviously getting on Tim Sherwood too, and I've got more chance of getting the job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, May 30, 2022, 20:17:29
Not sure second hand info from James Spencer quite meets the open and transparent brief. Hereís hoping thereís Something more concrete from the club in the next few days


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, May 30, 2022, 20:32:34
Not sure second hand info from James Spencer quite meets the open and transparent brief. Hereís hoping thereís Something more concrete from the club in the next few days
Most staff on holiday including Rob A thats why I relayed information directly from Clem. There will be proper updates once people are back and the club have information to share 😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, May 30, 2022, 20:35:25
Most staff on holiday including Rob A thats why I relayed information directly from Clem. There will be proper updates once people are back and the club have information to share 😀

Appreciated what you had to say. Hopefully the next few days progress everything which is happening in the background.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: LittleRed on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:04:24
Chorley certainly hadnít left before the playoffs, he was sat a few seats away from me at the home leg against Port Vale.


Sent from my iPhone


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:05:26
Whoever was responsible for the Graham Rix rumour, I have to hand it to. Superbly done.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:19:05
So we can take from that then the following

No hidden debt
No Budget cut on the pitch
Replacements being looked at
Sol Campbell not in contention
So the ITKers on here earlier were talking bollocks. Who'd have guessed....🤔


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:21:24
Let's hope the bookies read the forum as Campbell's odds have shortened today😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:22:34
Quote from: Exiled Bob
So the ITKers on here earlier were talking bollocks. Who'd have guessed....🤔

but it was partly right


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:31:54
Kevin Betsy considered, but seems to have accepted Crawleys position


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:38:11
Be mindful, just because people are on holibobs, they still have mobile communication devices to errr, communicate withÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, May 30, 2022, 21:52:18
but it was partly right
Which part?


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, May 30, 2022, 22:01:37
Quote
Which part?
Chorley.

The non playing budget may yet be lower

The debt thing was based off zaviers ramblings(ok *alleged* ramblings). Hopefully that's put to bed. Will be good to know the debenture isn't in play. Assume not


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, May 30, 2022, 22:20:41
Chorley.

The non playing budget may yet be lower

The debt thing was based off zaviers ramblings(ok *alleged* ramblings). Hopefully that's put to bed. Will be good to know the debenture isn't in play. Assume not
Chorley - ITK or just speculating? I think a few suspected he could leave if Garner goes.
As for the other points, have they not now been debunked? I thought it was stated that the playing budget would not be lower. Ditto the "new debt". Was it not confirmed this was not true?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, May 30, 2022, 22:29:02
I was told 2 months ago Chorley would be leaving in the summer by someone on here who is well informed


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 03:51:51
Be mindful, just because people are on holibobs, they still have mobile communication devices to errr, communicate withÖ

Be mindful that when people are on holiday they are there to have a break and spend time with their family and/or get lashed, smoke weed etc

If they have to respond to every stupid statement, rumour or allegation on the internet they would never get anything else done, ever.

It's footballs silly season and everyone needs to engage brain when reading shit and stop being so gullible.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 05:32:54
If youíre CEO of a company and something major happens (like say youíre most emportant employees leaving), then I would say itís fairly normal to expect your holiday be disrupted a little. Comes with the job

If I was being cynical I would argue this is another case if the club using the trust as a mouthpiece for some difficult messaging


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 05:37:35
Be mindful that when people are on holiday they are there to have a break and spend time with their family and/or get lashed, smoke weed etc

If they have to respond to every stupid statement, rumour or allegation on the internet they would never get anything else done, ever.

It's footballs silly season and everyone needs to engage brain when reading shit and stop being so gullible.

I take that as a dig at me. I think youíve missed the point of my post. Rest assured it has not ruined my day and I donít need counselling due to hurt feelings.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 05:53:58

The club did put out a statement that Chorley left, Garner hasn't gone yet, so how can they do a statement?

What was the difficult message from the Trust?
If youíre CEO of a company and something major happens (like say youíre most emportant employees leaving), then I would say itís fairly normal to expect your holiday be disrupted a little. Comes with the job

If I was being cynical I would argue this is another case if the club using the trust as a mouthpiece for some difficult messaging


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:00:25
If youíre CEO of a company and something major happens (like say youíre most emportant employees leaving), then I would say itís fairly normal to expect your holiday be disrupted a little. Comes with the job

If I was being cynical I would argue this is another case if the club using the trust as a mouthpiece for some difficult messaging
But nothing yet has happened with Garner he is still employed, the club cannot communicate anything differently or they risk constructive dismissal claims.  Chorley has resigned, so that has been communicated.   What realistically can the club say other than everything is under control?  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:07:09
I take that as a dig at me. I think youíve missed the point of my post. Rest assured it has not ruined my day and I donít need counselling due to hurt feelings.
Not intended as a personal dig at all.  I'm sure RA is working more than he would like, but writing official Comms every day downplaying rumour and speculation is not a priority.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:07:22
Why couldnít clem or RAngus communicate what James Spencer did last night? And why couldnít they have done so on official channels?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:25:52
Not intended as a personal dig at all.  I'm sure RA is working more than he would like, but writing official Comms every day downplaying rumour and speculation is not a priority.

That was my point. Of course theyíre communicating. In their position as top dogs and suddenly finding out youíre managerless and DOF deficient with preseason a month away, Iíd be bloody surprised if the top brass were not in cont at with each other within the club and potential managers and their agents. Everything else in secondary and can wait.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:36:03
that's absolute bullcrap.

utter rubbish.

they won't work with Rix

I heard it was Brian Rix


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:42:34
Why couldnít clem or RAngus communicate what James Spencer did last night? And why couldnít they have done so on official channels?

Imagine if he'd gone on there without a message!    It's far easier and quicker to do in that way than through official comms.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:50:32
The trust donít own the club and arenít responsible for who it employs


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:53:16
I'm speculating..........

1. It could well be that Chorley had handed in his resignation a while ago and has been working his notice period. So, the comments about 'being gone before the playoffs' could be true in some sense.

2. The lack of comments about Garner by the club: I know that employment law is very complicated and assume that it is especially so in football, where huge sums are paid in compensation. There is so much money in football, with everyone scheming to get the best deal that they can. Agents are there to get everything they can for themselves....ahem, their clients. They use very clever lawyers to make sure that they get what they can. It could well be that if an official announcement is made about a manager leaving too early, lawyers could file for constructive dismissal and result in compensation being waived and potentially also damages being paid out to the departing manager.

Its frustrating, but it will all work itself out in time - After the Jubilee weekend based on what was said last night.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:53:56
The trust donít own the club and arenít responsible for who it employs
Which is the club haven't said anything.  Garner is still employed as manager.  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 06:57:12
So itís ok for the club to communicate it third hand?

Itís not open or transparent, itís shady and manipulative. Weíre not going to agree and thatís fine


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 07:08:13
I'm speculating..........

1. It could well be that Chorley had handed in his resignation a while ago and has been working his notice period. So, the comments about 'being gone before the playoffs' could be true in some sense.

2. The lack of comments about Garner by the club: I know that employment law is very complicated and assume that it is especially so in football, where huge sums are paid in compensation. There is so much money in football, with everyone scheming to get the best deal that they can. Agents are there to get everything they can for themselves....ahem, their clients. They use very clever lawyers to make sure that they get what they can. It could well be that if an official announcement is made about a manager leaving too early, lawyers could file for constructive dismissal and result in compensation being waived and potentially also damages being paid out to the departing manager.

Its frustrating, but it will all work itself out in time - After the Jubilee weekend based on what was said last night.

Indeed, it's also the first time the new owner/leadership of the club has dealt with such a situation so will be a learning curve for them.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 07:43:48
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Chorley - ITK or just speculating?
I saw nobody link this with garner, may have missed it. if this is linked to garner then fair enough.


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i thought it was stated that the playing budget would not be lower.
define lower. I think they are doing the right thing, more players with less high earners.

however the rumour that appeared yesterday said 'non first team cutbacks'. that could be true, no?


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Ditto the "new debt". Was it not confirmed this was not true?
thankfully yes.

personally think Zav had been taking rubbish/cross purposes that was then relayed, rather than this being totally made up.

no extra debt is great news and glad that rumour is wrong.

however I think we need to get the accounts properly annotated. When is the debenture repayable? Hopefully this remains on the balance sheet and out the 'repayable now' column.

I'm trying to find the Andrew black tweets because I thought it was payable in club sale. But even then we won't know if Clem's takeover is deemed qualifying.

the good thing is that the debenture hasn't yet appeared on the advisory board debt sheet. And so I expect it is a dormant issue


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 07:56:33
Why couldnít clem or RAngus communicate what James Spencer did last night? And why couldnít they have done so on official channels?
Rob is away on holiday there may be genuine reasons why he has not communicated, he has a family and entitled to his holiday. Agree though the club could and should have probably have popped that up on the website but i do think we are being a bit over the top with our reactions. The only thing the club really had to comment on yesterday was Chorley and they did


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:05:24
Can't blame the fans for being concerned/anxious. Considering the last 35 years  ::)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:13:10
Quote from: 4D
Can't blame the fans for being concerned/anxious. Considering the last 35 years  ::)

I think that's it

Any new owner is going to inheret the baggage,  rightly or wrongly. even if this were a complete changing of the guard


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Krays on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:14:27
Chorley - ITK or just speculating? I think a few suspected he could leave if Garner goes.
As for the other points, have they not now been debunked? I thought it was stated that the playing budget would not be lower. Ditto the "new debt". Was it not confirmed this was not true?
Chorley made it clear 5 to 6 weeks ago that he was leaving.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:16:12
define lower.
??? Not higher. Or equal to.

I'm going on what was actually confirmed yesterday:

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James Spencer currently on tonight's Supporters Club Monday Night Panel. Sounds like it's going to take several days before we know who's going and coming. Confirmed budget not being cut. Source - Mytton discussion with Angus today.

That sounds fairly clear cut to me. The budget is not being cut. Of course, it could be the same as last season's....

I get the impression on here that some people want to believe stuff put about by "ITK" posters about budget cuts, hidden debts, etc...even when credible sources actually at the club (Angus in this case) confirm that it is bullshit.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:16:57
Chorley made it clear 5 to 6 weeks ago that he was leaving.

That ties in with what I was told and at the time there was no mention of Garner leaving.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:18:36
Chorley made it clear 5 to 6 weeks ago that he was leaving.
Ok...maybe so.

My comments were more regarding the "statements of fact" made that there would be budget cuts and hidden debts had been discovered.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:22:57
Rob is away on holiday there may be genuine reasons why he has not communicated, he has a family and entitled to his holiday. Agree though the club could and should have probably have popped that up on the website but i do think we are being a bit over the top with our reactions. The only thing the club really had to comment on yesterday was Chorley and they did
Exactly.

The Chorley situation is the only thing they can comment on and have done so. They cannot make an official comment on Garner because nothing official has happened yet. As far as anyone is concerned it is just speculation (even if it is likely to be true). Why would they need to officially comment on idle speculation made that the budget was being cut or hidden debts had been discovered?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:30:41
Quote from: Exiled Bob

I get the impression on here that some people want to believe stuff put about by "ITK" posters about budget cuts, hidden debts, etc...even when credible sources actually at the club (Angus in this case) confirm that it is bullshit.

nope, just trying to make sense of it all.

doubt we ever will get official lines from Garner and Chorley's reasons. Even if it's simply a 'too good to turn down' offer.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:31:43
There seems to be some really sinister misinformation being spread over the past few months. Tin foil hat on but I wonder if someone out there is trying to get this "information" out deliberately....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:33:23
If youíre CEO of a company and something major happens (like say youíre most emportant employees leaving), then I would say itís fairly normal to expect your holiday be disrupted a little. Comes with the job

If I was being cynical I would argue this is another case if the club using the trust as a mouthpiece for some difficult messaging
Most people at the club are on holiday including Rob A, Clem only one there and he simply asked the Trust to pass on the message to fans to remain calm lots of things being sorted soon. We were simply trying to help fans understand all is in hand. People should be allowed Holidays, Rob hasn't had one for over 10 months and works 6 days a week. You try and help fans by passing on a genuine message and still get criticized you cant win really.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:35:12

I'm trying to find the Andrew black tweets because I thought it was payable in club sale. But even then we won't know if Clem's takeover is deemed qualifying.


The Andrews Black debt was bought off of him by the cunt that shan't be named.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:36:11
Most people at the club are on holiday including Rob A, Clem only one there and he simply asked the Trust to pass on the message to fans to remain calm lots of things being sorted soon. We were simply trying to help fans understand all is in hand. People should be allowed Holidays, Rob hasn't had one for over 10 months and works 6 days a week. You try and help fans by passing on a genuine message and still get criticized you cant win really.

Are you not worried that Austin is telling fans snippets of information whenever he gets the chance?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:36:46
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
The Andrews Black debt was bought off of him by the cunt that shan't be named.

yeah, but I am making the assumption the terms are the same


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:37:50
Most people at the club are on holiday including Rob A, Clem only one there and he simply asked the Trust to pass on the message to fans to remain calm lots of things being sorted soon. We were simply trying to help fans understand all is in hand. People should be allowed Holidays, Rob hasn't had one for over 10 months and works 6 days a week. You try and help fans by passing on a genuine message and still get criticized you cant win really.

Club should have communicated better from when it all kicked off with BG, even just a yes weíve given Charlton and BG permission to speak, but they didnít, a lot of this could have been avoided. And I guess you could say the Trust or OSC coulda pushed them abit sooner for clarity, but it is what it is. Good work getting that statement out as itís definitely calmed the fan base, letís hope we see an appointment and a flurry of players soon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:40:04
Are you not worried that Austin is telling fans snippets of information whenever he gets the chance?
This is what I dont get, any miss information seems (allegedly) to have come from the horses mouth so to speak.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:44:27
This is what I dont get, any miss information seems (allegedly) to have come from the horses mouth so to speak.

I'm not sure that referring to Austin as "the horse's mouth" is strictly accurate. Has his role (if he has one) actually been confirmed/announced? Maybe a different part of the horse's anatomy might be more appropriate?  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:46:07
I'm not sure that referring to Austin as "the horse's mouth" is strictly accurate. Has his role (if he has one) actually been confirmed/announced? Maybe a different part of the horse's anatomy might be more appropriate?  :)
Harsh :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:46:40
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Has his role (if he has one) actually been confirmed/announced?

Austin is vice chairman.

The only thing that hasn't been announced is whether he passed the (presumably directors) test to sit on the board. Presumably not.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/

Club stories refer to him as vice chair , e.g.:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/march/zav-austin-on-karachi-trip/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: hefty toe on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:48:40
Most people at the club are on holiday including Rob A, Clem only one there and he simply asked the Trust to pass on the message to fans to remain calm lots of things being sorted soon. We were simply trying to help fans understand all is in hand. People should be allowed Holidays, Rob hasn't had one for over 10 months and works 6 days a week. You try and help fans by passing on a genuine message and still get criticized you cant win really.

Well said. Some of the fans really need to get a grip.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:51:49
Are you not worried that Austin is telling fans snippets of information whenever he gets the chance?
It depends on what has been said and how fans have interpreted what he said, we all know things can be taken in many different ways.  Its not ideal and feedback will be given on this at the advisory board .

Unfortunately the club cant communicate on the BG situation due to contractual elements which restrict what can be said, if they could communicate it they would. Trust the club they have it in hand


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:53:16
Club should have communicated better from when it all kicked off with BG, even just a yes weíve given Charlton and BG permission to speak, but they didnít, a lot of this could have been avoided. And I guess you could say the Trust or OSC coulda pushed them abit sooner for clarity, but it is what it is. Good work getting that statement out as itís definitely calmed the fan base, letís hope we see an appointment and a flurry of players soon.
They cant communicate on it due to contractual situation. If they could they would.. We have spoken to them about providing an update but due to this contract situation they cant on BG.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:57:28
yeah, but I am making the assumption the terms are the same

I thought it had been stated previously that Power bought the interest free debenture, and was now charging the club interest on the loan


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:57:54
Austin is vice chairman.

The only thing that hasn't been announced is whether he passed the (presumably directors) test to sit on the board. Presumably not.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/august/club-statement---zavier-austin/

Club stories refer to him as vice chair , e.g.:

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/march/zav-austin-on-karachi-trip/

Thanks but don't spend any more time tracking back. I've also seen him referred to as VC in the minutes of an earlier Advisory Board meeting but, until his name appears on the Companies House register, I'll remain sceptical.  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 08:59:05
I thought it had been stated previously that Power bought the interest free debenture, and was now charging the club interest on the loan

I remember that being said as well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:00:28
This is what I dont get, any miss information seems (allegedly) to have come from the horses mouth so to speak.

Can imagine it's come from someone with links to our previous owner, who is happy to try & de-stabilise the club


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:01:44
Ah I see PF. As you were then

I thought it had been stated previously that Power bought the interest free debenture, and was now charging the club interest on the loan

It may be so. I have no idea! The Trust uppers say they are on it providing explanation of the accounts that were recently published.

Once they do that, hopefully everything will be cleared up and away we go.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:03:33
They cant communicate on it due to contractual situation. If they could they would.. We have spoken to them about providing an update but due to this contract situation they cant on BG.

That was relatively obvious, but appreciate the confirmation. I think it's fair that fans should be asking questions of what is happening behind the scenes as even though Lee Power has gone, there are still what could be perceived as 'shady' characters involved in the club. (Zav Austin, Dolph, that Hunt fella)

On the other hand I think we also have to be a little bit patient re the managerial change, it's frustrating not to know but these things take time. Hartlepool for example still don't have a manager and they sacked their managerial team weeks ago, Crawley are in a similar boat.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:04:55
Most people at the club are on holiday including Rob A, Clem only one there and he simply asked the Trust to pass on the message to fans to remain calm lots of things being sorted soon. We were simply trying to help fans understand all is in hand. People should be allowed Holidays, Rob hasn't had one for over 10 months and works 6 days a week. You try and help fans by passing on a genuine message and still get criticized you cant win really.

Fwiw, Iím with you on this. Although far from ideal Iím nowhere near panicking yet. Iím all for Rob having a break and if there simply isnít anything solid to report yet Iíd rather wait until there is rather than some snippets of fluff. Not a dig at anyone on the other side of the fence, just my opinion


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:05:14
I don't know if it's feasible but is it worth trying to amalgamate some of the open questions that have been raised here for Jan Airplane Man to take away to the next advisory board?

Fuckit, I've done it anyway.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:06:26
People just need to calm down and take a breath - it's not like we haven't been in similar situations before.  The last 10-15 pages have used up our quota of 80% bollocks for next season already, it ends up just going around in circles.

The things we know based on official sources from the club:
Chorley is leaving
The budget is not being reduced
There is no additional hidden debt (at this point)
Sol Campbell is not on the list of potential candidates for new manager (if one is needed)
Graham Rix rumour was a very successful troll

The things we have enough information about to know that there is probably some truth in it:
Garner has been in discussion with CA about potentially taking the Managers role there

That is it really.  As fans, talking about it on here is healthy and needed given the lack of official information coming out of the club at the moment (due to Holidays) but everybody just needs to chill out and trust that Clem is working on a way forward as he stated in the press release - nothing more we can do.

As far as ITKers go - you can't ask "where are all the ITKers when you need them" and then when they pop up, complain when they get things wrong or can't divulge more info, it's all a game of listening to the ITKers you trust.  I trust certain posters on here because I believe that they do have the inside track and say what they can, Jan is one of those.  Others I talk with off forum.  When a poster comes on that I don't recognise stating things as fact, i take it with a pinch of salt until I get more infomration to convince me that it might be true.

Let's not be Twitter, you are all better than that people :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:10:58
 :D Well summed up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:15:17
People just need to calm down and take a breath - it's not like we haven't been in similar situations before.  The last 10-15 pages have used up our quota of 80% bollocks for next season already, it ends up just going around in circles.

The things we know based on official sources from the club:
Chorley is leaving
The budget is not being reduced
There is no additional hidden debt (at this point)
Sol Campbell is not on the list of potential candidates for new manager (if one is needed)
Graham Rix rumour was a very successful troll

The things we have enough information about to know that there is probably some truth in it:
Garner has been in discussion with CA about potentially taking the Managers role there

That is it really.  As fans, talking about it on here is healthy and needed given the lack of official information coming out of the club at the moment (due to Holidays) but everybody just needs to chill out and trust that Clem is working on a way forward as he stated in the press release - nothing more we can do.

As far as ITKers go - you can't ask "where are all the ITKers when you need them" and then when they pop up, complain when they get things wrong or can't divulge more info, it's all a game of listening to the ITKers you trust.  I trust certain posters on here because I believe that they do have the inside track and say what they can, Jan is one of those.  Others I talk with off forum.  When a poster comes on that I don't recognise stating things as fact, i take it with a pinch of salt until I get more infomration to convince me that it might be true.

Let's not be Twitter, you are all better than that people :D
Top post.  For as long as I've supported this club I've have ridden the rollercoaster of STFC.  I'm sure more clarity will be forthcoming over the next week or so then we can concentrate on our next signings


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:16:23
People just need to calm down and take a breath - it's not like we haven't been in similar situations before.  The last 10-15 pages have used up our quota of 80% bollocks for next season already, it ends up just going around in circles.

The things we know based on official sources from the club:
Chorley is leaving
The budget is not being reduced
There is no additional hidden debt (at this point)
Sol Campbell is not on the list of potential candidates for new manager (if one is needed)
Graham Rix rumour was a very successful troll

The things we have enough information about to know that there is probably some truth in it:
Garner has been in discussion with CA about potentially taking the Managers role there

That is it really.  As fans, talking about it on here is healthy and needed given the lack of official information coming out of the club at the moment (due to Holidays) but everybody just needs to chill out and trust that Clem is working on a way forward as he stated in the press release - nothing more we can do.

As far as ITKers go - you can't ask "where are all the ITKers when you need them" and then when they pop up, complain when they get things wrong or can't divulge more info, it's all a game of listening to the ITKers you trust.  I trust certain posters on here because I believe that they do have the inside track and say what they can, Jan is one of those.  Others I talk with off forum.  When a poster comes on that I don't recognise stating things as fact, i take it with a pinch of salt until I get more infomration to convince me that it might be true.

Let's not be Twitter, you are all better than that people :D
Retweeted


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:17:45
Retweeted

:D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:18:53
People just need to calm down and take a breath - it's not like we haven't been in similar situations before.  The last 10-15 pages have used up our quota of 80% bollocks for next season already, it ends up just going around in circles.

The things we know based on official sources from the club:
Chorley is leaving
The budget is not being reduced
There is no additional hidden debt (at this point)
Sol Campbell is not on the list of potential candidates for new manager (if one is needed)
Graham Rix rumour was a very successful troll

The things we have enough information about to know that there is probably some truth in it:
Garner has been in discussion with CA about potentially taking the Managers role there

That is it really.  As fans, talking about it on here is healthy and needed given the lack of official information coming out of the club at the moment (due to Holidays) but everybody just needs to chill out and trust that Clem is working on a way forward as he stated in the press release - nothing more we can do.

As far as ITKers go - you can't ask "where are all the ITKers when you need them" and then when they pop up, complain when they get things wrong or can't divulge more info, it's all a game of listening to the ITKers you trust.  I trust certain posters on here because I believe that they do have the inside track and say what they can, Jan is one of those.  Others I talk with off forum.  When a poster comes on that I don't recognise stating things as fact, i take it with a pinch of salt until I get more infomration to convince me that it might be true.

Let's not be Twitter, you are all better than that people :D

Post of the week award goes to Berniman. Let all enjoy the long weekend, chill, have a few beers and await further news. In Clem and Angus we trust, until its proved otherwise.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:22:32
Itís been posted a few times on here that Chorley announced he was leaving weeks ago.

Did everyone else miss that? Would have thought such an announcement would have been discussed on here then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:23:26
It was definitely not "announced". I took that to mean there had been rumours.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:28:04
Apparently, Garner to Charlton was a done deal weeks ago - before the POs.

That fucking stinks.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:30:24
Apparently, Garner to Charlton was a done deal weeks ago - before the POs.

That fucking stinks.

If that is true, then I'm not sure if I'm not annoyed that he snaked out on us or the fact they're still allowing it to drag on for this long after.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:32:35
Apparently, Garner to Charlton was a done deal weeks ago - before the POs.

That fucking stinks.

Where did you hear that.

The rumour yesterday was he applied before the first leg, and was interviewed 2 days after the second leg (discussed in comments on OSC "on the sofa")

As long as the squad didn't get wind and affected, I don't suppose the timing is all that bad.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:33:13
Apparently, Garner to Charlton was a done deal weeks ago - before the POs.

That fucking stinks.

What's your sauce?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:35:11
What's your sauce?

I assume itís just a piss take because after Chorley resigned yesterday every man and his dog seemed to know he was leaving weeks ago but didnít say anything until after he left


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:39:04
Hence the apparently bit

ĎWe can all relax.

We finally have a poster (on another forum) who actually knows what is happening.

- the deal with Garner was done long ago

- Garner is currently on holiday

- TS is flying over some time in the next 3 weeks to announce Garner as manager

(Source: R. Moore, although itís not Roger)
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Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:40:57
I assume itís just a piss take because after Chorley resigned yesterday every man and his dog seemed to know he was leaving weeks ago but didnít say anything until after he left

Chorley leaving rumour has been doing the rounds for weeks - it was definitely a topic of conversation at the end of season awards do, and I had heard it before that.  Some people choose not to say anything on here, which is their porogative, and understandable given the amount of grief you get.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:43:04
Charlton fans say Thomas Sandgaard is due over this week. Somebody said Thursday, but quite where that came from...

The mini statement yesterday didn't make it sound like an announcement was due imminently.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:43:18
I canít think what clause could be in Garnerís contract that prevents the club commenting.

I can imagine there is a buy-out clause that Charlton have met, but if itís Charlton not wanting it confirmed Iíd be inclined to tell them to fuck off.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:44:31
Chorley leaving rumour has been doing the rounds for weeks - it was definitely a topic of conversation at the end of season awards do

Did you get any "info" from Zav, or was that alleged to happen at the sponsors evening? Were you at that?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:46:41
Charlton fans say Thomas Sandgaard is due over this week. Somebody said Thursday, but quite where that came from...

The mini statement yesterday didn't make it sound like an announcement was due imminently.



They will likely have to wait until Garner is back, will not want to announce him without the obligatory scarf above the head photo - wouldn't look good.

Can you imagine if Garner got to his Holiday hotel and realised that there were some fans from Swindon staying there as well :D I bet he doesn't lay a STFC scarf out on the sunbed..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:48:13
That doesnít prevent STFC from just saying Garner has left the club - a la Chorley


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:48:28
They will likely have to wait until Garner is back, will not want to announce him without the obligatory scarf above the head photo - wouldn't look good.

Can you imagine if Garner got to his Holiday hotel and realised that there were some fans from Swindon staying there as well :D I bet he doesn't lay a STFC scarf out on the sunbed..

Indeed.

Think all the club could say is "permission to talk granted", but we kind of know that already


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:51:51
That doesnít prevent STFC from just saying Garner has left the club - a la Chorley
This.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:52:56
That doesnít prevent STFC from just saying Garner has left the club - a la Chorley
It does if he hasn't.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:54:22
Indeed.

Think all the club could say is "permission to talk granted", but we kind of know that already
But thatís the point. We donít know. Not for sure. Itís all assumptions.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:54:29
Did you get any "info" from Zav, or was that alleged to happen at the sponsors evening? Were you at that?

Yeah I was there.  I didn't speak to Zav directly (even though he bought our group a pint, cheers Zav :D) but members of my group heard the same thing, either from him or indirectly from him, that new additional debt had been found.  I didn't hear the context though so can't say if what he actually said was taken out of context.  What I will say though from what I witnessed is that old Zav likes the attention from the fans and certainly enjoys the PR side of a night like the players awards (not that you can say that the message delivered was good PR).  I can confirm that he was wearing a suit and not walking around in a pair of pink neon budgie smugglers though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:55:26
That doesnít prevent STFC from just saying Garner has left the club - a la Chorley

It does until he has signed the contract - otherwise he is still under contract with us


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:55:38
Thanks Bernie.

FWIW I think you have to take what was said by Zav with a pinch of salt. But at least it confirms why the rumours circulated.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:57:05
It does if he hasn't.
Again, if he hasnít the club could say that. Theyíve said the square root of fuck all.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:57:12
That doesnít prevent STFC from just saying Garner has left the club - a la Chorley
But the point is he hasn't.......yet. It doesn't become official until he has signed for another club. He might have had an offer but might not have signed it yet.

Not sure how many times this has to be explained by how many different people:

- Chorley gone
- Garner PROBABLY going.
- No announcement as its at contractual negotiations stage.
- Club working hard in background on key positions
- Clem extends his stay in UK by 10 days
- Lots of people currently on holiday
- Announcements likely delayed until after Jubilee weekend.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:57:39
But thatís the point. We donít know. Not for sure. Itís all assumptions.

Ok, but the inference of no STFC statement is that this has happened. There is zero point in not saying ""no approach has been made" or "permission refused".

Now we can only wait for events to unfold.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:58:40
If he hasnít left why are the club looking for a replacement.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:59:05
Thanks Bernie.

FWIW I think you have to take what was said by Zav with a pinch of salt. But at least it confirms why the rumours circulated.

I do, that is why I didn't post anything on here.  Back to my war and peace post about listening to who you trust.  I did discuss what I heard with people I trust and we were all in agreement that it didn't entirely sit right with us, so wait and see before posting anything and getting hung out to dry.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:00:47
It sounds like its a done deal but with TS and Garner on holiday, they're still yet to sign the official paperwork, meaning the club can't comment until they're back.

Which is where the "after jubilee weekend" thing comes from.

Seems easy enough to understand to me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:00:57
If he hasnít left why are the club looking for a replacement.

We have 1 month until pre-season. Surely that's good planning.

I guess we don't *know*. But it also makes zero sense to wait to make such announcement of him leaving if it were possible to do so. I therefore infer it is not possible.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:01:20
If he hasnít left why are the club looking for a replacement.
I'd venture that it could be because he 'might' be leaving and they don't want to be unprepared if he does perhaps?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:01:25
If he hasnít left why are the club looking for a replacement.

Because its as good as done, but not signed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:02:30
If he hasnít left why are the club looking for a replacement.

Because any sensible owner would have groundwork already in place in the event..  He hasn't left but they might be aware that there is a chance he might be leaving


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:04:00
Sorry, is Audrey just trolling everyone?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:04:55
Sorry, is Audrey just trolling everyone?

For years  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:05:11
Sorry, is Audrey just trolling everyone?

I was just about to post that I'm starting to think that his account has been hijacked by a troll  ;D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:07:28
Not trolling. But you (collective you) canít have it both ways. Either heís gone and Charlton donít want to announce it - Iíd say bollocks to that if I was Clem.

Or heís still under contract with STFC in which case nothing would prevent the club from saying so.

Why should we, the fans, be left surmising whatís going on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:10:32
 :sherlock:

https://twitter.com/Paynts13/status/1531551189896204288?s=20&t=Vp4DDNn0uIKwG8-PyqDtTw


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:10:57
Not trolling. But you (collective you) canít have it both ways. Either heís gone and Charlton donít want to announce it - Iíd say bollocks to that if I was Clem.

Or heís still under contract with STFC in which case nothing would prevent the club from saying so.

Why should we, the fans, be left surmising whatís going on.

Or its verbally a done deal but contracts aren't signed and therefore not official until their owner is back in the country and Garner is back off holiday.

Which means the club can't say anything.

Which is where the 'after jubilee weekend' thing comes from.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:13:59
Not trolling. But you (collective you) canít have it both ways. Either heís gone and Charlton donít want to announce it - Iíd say bollocks to that if I was Clem.

Or heís still under contract with STFC in which case nothing would prevent the club from saying so.

Why should we, the fans, be left surmising whatís going on.

I think we all have a fair idea of what's going on. We just have to wait for it to play out. Jan Airplane Man (one of the Trust Board guys on here) set it out pretty clearly a few pages back.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:14:33
Or its verbally a done deal but contracts aren't signed and therefore not official until their owner is back in the country and Garner is back off holiday.

Which means the club can't say anything.

Which is where the 'after jubilee weekend' thing comes from.
I know Iím sounding argumentative, but thatís would be at Charltonís behest. What Iím saying is why are we going along with it?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:15:27
I think we all have a fair idea of what's going on. We just have to wait for it to play out. Jan Airplane Man (one of the Trust Board guys on here) set it out pretty clearly a few pages back.
But thatís not the Trustís job. Itís the clubís job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:18:46
I know Iím sounding argumentative, but thatís would be at Charltonís behest. What Iím saying is why are we going along with it?

If things aren't signed, they aren't done and so can't be formally announced.

I'm sure it'll happen. I'm sure we'll appoint someone very soon after.

The DoF role I suppose could be filled ASAP - but that assumes we are keeping the model (as expected)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:19:35
I know Iím sounding argumentative, but thatís would be at Charltonís behest. What Iím saying is why are we going along with it?

So based on the facts, today, the only thing that the club could say is that Ben Garner is contracted to STFC.  Then next week would announce that he has signed a contract with Charlton and has left the club.  If that did happen, how would that help us?  Would you complain that they put out a statement last week and now they have contradicted that statement with the latest statement?

Nothing factual they can say with the current situation is going to help us with our craving for information, it really is as simple as that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:20:46
I know Iím sounding argumentative, but thatís would be at Charltonís behest. What Iím saying is why are we going along with it?

Perhaps it's simply how Clem and the Charlton board have agreed to go about the business. In reality there is no reason I can think of why we couldn't make a statement to say 'Swindon Town have accepted an approach from Charlton to speak to Ben Garner, we are in discussions around Compensation blah blah'

For me, it does seem slightly strange that that hasn't happened in this manner, but maybe the 2 clubs agreed to keep schtum until the deal has been done. If there was no truth in Garner to Charlton then I expect it would have been stated by Clem already.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:21:52
^^^ what he said ^^


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:23:17
Perhaps it's simply how Clem and the Charlton board have agreed to go about the business. In reality there is no reason I can think of why we couldn't make a statement to say 'Swindon Town have accepted an approach from Charlton to speak to Ben Garner, we are in discussions around Compensation blah blah'

For me, it does seem slightly strange that that hasn't happened in this manner, but maybe the 2 clubs agreed to keep schtum until the deal has been done. If there was no truth in Garner to Charlton then I expect it would have been stated by Clem already.

Goo points you make but how was it then leaked to the journo if all parties agree to keep quiet🤔


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:23:47
Exactly, Bob! I fail to see who benefits from keeping schtum. Certainly not us.

Comes under a duty of care to the fans!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:27:38
Goo points you make but how was it then leaked to the journo if all parties agree to keep quiet🤔

No idea Jimmy but journalists generally seem to be able to get to the bottom of these things somehow don't they?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:28:32
I fail to see who benefits from keeping schtum. Certainly not us.

We certainly do if the compensation package if favourable.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:28:59
No idea Jimmy but journalists generally seem to be able to get to the bottom of these things somehow don't they?

They do Bob but sometimes end up stirring a hornets nest😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:29:43
Exactly, Bob! I fail to see who benefits from keeping schtum. Certainly not us.

Comes under a duty of care to the fans!

I'm in agreement. I think the Charlton owners are a bit unusual but I guess if that's what they have asked, perhaps Clem has gone along with it in a professional manner. Maybe the leak that Jimmy alluded to was created by us in order to provide some updates to fans. Or maybe that's just tinfoil hat nonsense!! :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:31:33
We certainly do if the compensation package if favourable.


Fair point. Like a bribe to keep things quiet for whatever reason.

It's getting a bit boring now, wish it would just happen and we can begin to speculate about Ben squared's replacements.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:32:10
Goo points you make but how was it then leaked to the journo if all parties agree to keep quiet🤔

There is always at least one character at every club that are "friends" with certain journalists..  It affords them a certain level of leverage in the future..  and allows them to call in favours about future stories, it's how the world works


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:32:16
They do Bob but sometimes end up stirring a hornets nest😀

That's Watford! :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:33:38
Fair point. Like a bribe to keep things quiet for whatever reason.

It's getting a bit boring now, wish it would just happen and we can begin to speculate about Ben squared's replacements.
I imagine thereís a set buy out clause.

Just like the one Wellens has at Orient!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:34:41
I wonder if what we say about Garner impacts our ability to interview for his replacement?

Like, if we came out and said Garner has spoke to Charlton, weíve agreed compensation but it hasnít gone though yet - would there then be repercussions if we started interviewing for a position we just announced wasnít open yet?






Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:35:34
Post of the week award goes to Berniman. Let all enjoy the long weekend, chill, have a few beers and await further news. In Clem and Angus we trust, until its proved otherwise.
...4 pages later...🙂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:36:41
Fair point. Like a bribe to keep things quiet for whatever reason.

It's getting a bit boring now, wish it would just happen and we can begin to speculate about Ben squared's replacements.

Just as a hypothetical (and there is absolutely no truth in this whatsoever) imagine a conversation like this.

"Clem mate, we have an issue with timing, if you stay radio silent on this for the next 2 weeks to allow us to get our shit together, we will loan you DJ for next season and pay half of his wages, what do you think?"

This is the problem with not knowing the whole story, and as fans, we never will..  that is why it is best to just relax and wait for news


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:40:47
Just as a hypothetical (and there is absolutely no truth in this whatsoever) imagine a conversation like this.

"Clem mate, we have an issue with timing, if you stay radio silent on this for the next 2 weeks to allow us to get our shit together, we will loan you DJ for next season and pay half of his wages, what do you think?"

This is the problem with not knowing the whole story, and as fans, we never will..  that is why it is best to just relax and wait for news

Funnily enough I was thinking earlier that there might be sweeteners in any potential future loan players or something. DJ back for a season would be lovely!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:45:36
Funnily enough I was thinking earlier that there might be sweeteners in any potential future loan players or something. DJ back for a season would be lovely!
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Or Davison plus a little compo😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:46:24
I realise you're being hypothetical, but a much higher chance of Davison than DJ I should think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 10:53:25
I realise you're being hypothetical, but a much higher chance of Davison than DJ I should think.

But like everything else, we don't know.  Clamering for a statement now with little or no progress or information with give us nothing.  But if not saying anything is helping us negotiate a better deal, then I vote they keep schtum.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:09:52
Reminds me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU9uXsTgNrA


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:25:44
i cant find the post but im sure somebody mentioned a coach from Stoke called Henry Knight, down to 16/1 i notice  :hmmm:

imagine any small amount staked would swing the odds on this sort of market.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:32:49
I wonder if what we say about Garner impacts our ability to interview for his replacement?

Like, if we came out and said Garner has spoke to Charlton, weíve agreed compensation but it hasnít gone though yet - would there then be repercussions if we started interviewing for a position we just announced wasnít open yet?

I know fuck, all but would bet we have spoken with a few already.
If all the rumours are true and he was aware of CA interest 2 weeks ago then we will have sounded a few out and put a plan on motion.
I wouldn't be surprised someone is already not far off being offered something but until BG goes to CA we can't name or unveil a replacement.








Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:37:52
I know Iím sounding argumentative, but thatís would be at Charltonís behest. What Iím saying is why are we going along with it?
It's been explained by Jan The Man. What is difficult to understand?

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Unfortunately the club cant communicate on the BG situation due to contractual elements which restrict what can be said, if they could communicate it they would. Trust the club they have it in hand


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:39:16
But the club did communicate, just through a third (fourth) party. Stop taking us for idiots


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:41:00
Wellens at 3/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:41:41
But thatís not the Trustís job. Itís the clubís job.
He has explained that too. You are being argumentative.

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Most people at the club are on holiday including Rob A, Clem only one there and he simply asked the Trust to pass on the message to fans to remain calm lots of things being sorted soon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:42:58
Wellens at 3/1

That's only just happened as 30 mins ago I checked and he wasn't nowhere just like when he got the Swindon job


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:43:47
He has explained that too. You are being argumentative.

Didnít stop the club putting out a statement about Chorley, though.

Didnít ask the Trust to do that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:45:15
That's only just happened as 30 mins ago I checked and he wasn't nowhere just like when he got the Swindon job
Odds, schmods.

Do the Wellens/Paynter double!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:45:30
Just as a hypothetical (and there is absolutely no truth in this whatsoever) imagine a conversation like this.

"Clem mate, we have an issue with timing, if you stay radio silent on this for the next 2 weeks to allow us to get our shit together, we will loan you DJ for next season and pay half of his wages, what do you think?"

This is the problem with not knowing the whole story, and as fans, we never will..  that is why it is best to just relax and wait for news
WFT have you been eating/drinking/smoking/have stepped in recently!

You're on a streak of wonderful actions and wonderful posts! Keep the recipe, brew it and sell it for a fortune!  :clap:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:45:50
Didnít stop the club putting out a statement about Chorley, though.

Didnít ask the Trust to do that.
You're on a wind up I guess.
They put out a statement on Chorley because he had left. Do you really not see the difference?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:46:58
Didnít stop the club putting out a statement about Chorley, though.

Didnít ask the Trust to do that.

You have to be on a wind up. No way you don't understand the difference.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:47:48
Odds, schmods.

Do the Wellens/Paynter double!

News travels fast it's already been noted on the Orient forum
Wellens & Embleton would be fine by me!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:53:33
WFT have you been eating/drinking/smoking/have stepped in recently!

You're on a streak of wonderful actions and wonderful posts! Keep the recipe, brew it and sell it for a fortune!  :clap:

Agreed. Could call it 'common sense'


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:57:27
Didnít stop the club putting out a statement about Chorley, though.

Didnít ask the Trust to do that.
Is the club moving to Chorley?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:59:16
he's definitely trolling


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 11:59:53
Didnít stop the club putting out a statement about Chorley, though.

Didnít ask the Trust to do that.
Because that was all sorted and he had formally resigned. BG case more tricky as previously explained.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:01:21
Flitcroft in at 6/1😂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:02:06
Flitcroft in at 6/1😂
Iíll get me neck brace out of mothballs


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:02:36
But the club did communicate, just through a third (fourth) party. Stop taking us for idiots
What did they communicate via the trust about Garner


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:02:47
Iíll get me neck brace out of mothballs

He can stay in the potteries😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:03:17
Odds, schmods.

Do the Wellens/Paynter double!
One has resigned and left the other possibly hasn't yet.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: mexico red on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:03:55
Sheena Easton sums up bookies odds


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:05:46
Iíll get me neck brace out of mothballs

You deleted me😀

The Potteries is the traditional name for the six Staffordshire lowns of Tunstall, Burslem, Hanley, Stoke on Trent, Fenton, and Longton which federated then amalgamated to form the city of Stoke-on-Trent.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:05:53
Some of you seriously need to calm down and wait for news. The season has just finished. Enjoy your weekend and see what next week brings.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:05:57
Sheena Easton sums up bookies odds
Has someone actually put money on her?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:06:49
Sheena Easton sums up bookies odds

Back in the day she would have been welcome😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:07:19
You deleted me😀

The Potteries is the traditional name for the six Staffordshire lowns of Tunstall, Burslem, Hanley, Stoke on Trent, Fenton, and Longton which federated then amalgamated to form the city of Stoke-on-Trent.
Got to be honest. I didnít know he was at Vale!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:09:18
Got to be honest. I didnít know he was at Vale!

Only abit of fun! I don't think it would go down well if he returned as he jumped ship to follow the gold at Mansfield


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:26:12
Back in the day she would have been welcome😀
Only from nine til five.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 12:32:13
What did they communicate via the trust about Garner

Iíd say addressing the sol Campbell rumours is an indirect recognition


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 13:15:36
Those wind ups are pretty funny until its a week later and some mongs are still losing their shit over it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 14:08:04
Iíd say addressing the sol Campbell rumours is an indirect recognition

I think you know what the difference is.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 14:45:57
WFT have you been eating/drinking/smoking/have stepped in recently!

You're on a streak of wonderful actions and wonderful posts! Keep the recipe, brew it and sell it for a fortune!  :clap:

I have always been like this, you have just not opened your eyes to my masterly ways until now :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 14:50:36
Iíd say addressing the sol Campbell rumours is an indirect recognition
If that has really wound you up then we are not doing that bad


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 14:54:00
I have always been like this, you have just not opened your eyes to my masterly ways until now :D
True story.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 14:54:59
True story.
Let's not push it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 15:04:24
True story.

I think PV was involved in my first good deed on the TEF - I sent my Season Ticket down to him in deepest darkest somerset for him to use when i was on holiday for a couple of weeks - at that point I didn't know him from Adam :D  I remember meeting Herthab outside the CG on a matchday for him to deliver it for me - first time I had ever met Herthab and I didn't know him from Adam either.  I could have been getting royally scammed :D

Them were the days..  when you could trust some random bloke on t'internet..  Whatever did happen to your Nigerian cousin who came into that massive inheritance that I sent £5k to allow the transaction?  I am still waiting for the £1.2M he promised me..  I'll give it another few months :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 15:05:53
Let's not push it

That's not what you said when you were drunk that night..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 15:44:19
Read on a different forum that Kevin Betsy, Arsenal under 23 coach has been linked with us, Cheltenham and Crawley.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 16:00:43
ĎThe 44-year-old guided the young Gunners to third in the Premier League 2 table in his first season and has emerged as a highly rated coach, attracting interest not only from Crawley but also from fellow League Two side Swindon Town and League Oneís Cheltenham Town.Ď


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 16:08:21
Fits the mold they seem to be going for. Who his DoF would be though. You'd think they'd need a previous working relationship.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 16:15:14
I think PV was involved in my first good deed on the TEF - I sent my Season Ticket down to him in deepest darkest somerset for him to use when i was on holiday for a couple of weeks - at that point I didn't know him from Adam :D  I remember meeting Herthab outside the CG on a matchday for him to deliver it for me - first time I had ever met Herthab and I didn't know him from Adam either.  I could have been getting royally scammed :D

Them were the days..  when you could trust some random bloke on t'internet..  Whatever did happen to your Nigerian cousin who came into that massive inheritance that I sent £5k to allow the transaction?  I am still waiting for the £1.2M he promised me..  I'll give it another few months :D

Clique! clique!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 16:15:46
Not the sort of position where thereís much of a pot of people to choose from. Obviously need to be experienced


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 17:17:43
I think PV was involved in my first good deed on the TEF - I sent my Season Ticket down to him in deepest darkest somerset for him to use when i was on holiday for a couple of weeks - at that point I didn't know him from Adam :D  I remember meeting Herthab outside the CG on a matchday for him to deliver it for me - first time I had ever met Herthab and I didn't know him from Adam either.  I could have been getting royally scammed :D

Them were the days..  when you could trust some random bloke on t'internet..  Whatever did happen to your Nigerian cousin who came into that massive inheritance that I sent £5k to allow the transaction?  I am still waiting for the £1.2M he promised me..  I'll give it another few months :D
You never noticed when I returned a photocopy though did you? :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 17:32:22
I wouldnt be shocked to see Noel Hunt turn up as a candidate, been academy U23 manager at Reading since he left, locallyish based and knows the club and liked by the fans.

Also...

Not sure where Ryan Garry has come into the frame from?

England U18 head coach, popped into the betting in the top 4 or 5 all of a sudden.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 17:37:38
I see wellens is 3/1 outright favourite with Betfair


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 17:39:07
I wouldnt be shocked to see Noel Hunt turn up as a candidate, been academy U23 manager at Reading since he left, locallyish based and knows the club and liked by the fans.

Also...

Not sure where Ryan Garry has come into the frame from?

England U18 head coach, popped into the betting in the top 4 or 5 all of a sudden.
I wondered what had happened to him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 18:43:07
Iím never an ITK however, I have heard from someone I trust that we are in negotiations with Di Canio. That would blow my mind if he returned.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 18:44:19
Wellens now 2/1 on betting odds.com....someone is putting money on him!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 18:48:35
I'd absolutely love Wellens back.

I've tried convincing myself he's a snake, traitor, left us in the shit etc. However, now we understand what he was working under and what was about to occur. He'd have been very well informed that shit was going to hit the fan.

If he can bring Ling with him too that would be fantastic.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 19:07:05
Clique! clique!

Now now, jealousy Sam..  you are part of my met in the flesh clique anyway..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 20:27:14
Wellens- please God, no


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 20:41:29
I recall having been excited at the prospect of signing Kevin Betsy one close season a decade or so back.

He chose otherwise then, so not enamoured my end.

However with a thin squad in prospect, him and Mildy might still be useful playing squad members.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 21:20:38
Wellens isnít the way forward.

However, Wellens with a decent DoF and a Luke Williams style first team coach could be interesting.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 21:26:39
What's about Embleton as first team coach alongside him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: normy on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 04:57:44
As its been confirmed that Ben Chorley has resigned, I'm more concerned about that than losing Ben Garner, if that's the case.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 05:42:10
As its been confirmed that Ben Chorley has resigned, I'm more concerned about that than losing Ben Garner, if that's the case.
Youíre not alone there. I will be a little disappointed if Garner goes as I feel he is throwing the towel in on this project without really having had the success we wanted. I hope itís not a case of starting all over again if he goes. As many on here have said that is football and the lower down the pyramid, the greater at risk we are of our players and staff being poached by bigger fish. Now that the raw pain of the penalties is fading Iím feeling more annoyed that we didnít go up. We were so poor in so many games and still only 3 points off autos. Fine margins and if a few of those shockers were turned into average games we would have done it. Our starting 11 was good enough to get automatics. The Colchester away match still haunts me. Hopefully we have the minerals to push on and get out of this terrible basement tier next season.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 06:54:02
I guess I can cope with poaching more easily if the manager/DoF achieve something.

Arguably you could say last season was achieving something I suppose given the circumstances.
----

my main concern now is whether Reed and Williams want to stay. They are under contract, which we assume they chose to sign (rather than automatic extension) - so hopefully they are as good a their word.

if it is an automatic triggering I'd be more nervous


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:35:43
Another day, another time to breathe and be realistic:

Chorley - He's gone. Do we *really need* a DoF set up? Possibly. He's replaceable.

Garner - He's going. Is he replaceable? Yes. Lots of U23 managers out there that could work with a DoF. Also, lots of wannabe managers and unemployed managers.

Payne, Reed & Williams - Are they replaceable? Yes. But you might want to spread the ability across a more solid and robust midfield. There were lots of quick, big, athletic and skillful midfielders in some of the teams we played against this year.

McKirdy - Golden year. Will he repeat? Who knows? Replaceable? Yes.

Will we get promoted next season? Possibly, but possibly not. That is why we follow the team, hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:40:21
Matty Taylor Exeter now 2/1 favourite Wellens down to 6/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:44:14
again, why would he leave Exeter?

I mean I know you are only reporting the odds.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:44:54
again, why would he leave Exeter?

I mean I know you are only reporting the odds.

Genuinely suspect they've got the wrong Matty Taylor...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:45:54
Genuinely suspect they've got the wrong Matty Taylor...

Yep, it'll be the ex-Walsall one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 07:47:06
again, why would he leave Exeter?

I mean I know you are only reporting the odds.

As you say just looking and reporting. It would be strange if he left a league one club he's just worked hard to get promoted to drop back down to league 2 and as above it's more than likely to be the other Matt Taylor who lives fairly local.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:02:45
I wouldn't be against Taylor coming back. Didn't do a great job at Walsall but then neither did Darrell Clarke who did a good job at Rovers & Vile. Even Flynn doesn't seem to be getting a tune out of them (early days I know).

Either way. It's all in hand. Every one needs to take a deep breath and be a little bit patient I think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:47:30
Iíd be fully behind Matty Taylor. Lots to like about the man, and has cut his teeth at Spurs and no doubt learned from the Walsall experience. One step ahead of those that come straight out of youth team football.

And a very good LS pod this morning. Definite change of tone, and rightly pointing out the role of the Trust is under the spotlight. I canít help but feel that were it not for Austinís presence, there would be no suspicion and unease. You just know that in 15 years weíll look back and laugh at the time a money launderer with ďmost-wantedĒ coke smuggling associates, used the club as a veil of credibility for ďbusinessĒ trips to Pakistan, and we looked the other way.  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:56:32
Not remotely interested in Matty Taylor honestly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 08:58:42
I would probably be happier with a new manager with no previous links to us, yes I know that goes against 90% of Swindon fans feelings.

I would also prefer somebody who has yet to try managing a first team, not it doesnt always work....Williams, McDondald, Malpas, Iffy.....it can work Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, McMahon, Wise, PdC.

I know I dont want a jobbing ex manager like Jackett, Cooper, Flitcroft, Ferguson, McInnes, Kewell etc etc.

Someone like Delaney, Betsy or Garry please with an experienced DoF alongside.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:00:02
Definitely with you there PV.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:01:42
Same. I don't understand our fans infatuation with ex players and managers. Move on.

Never works 2nd time around.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:04:47
Left of field appointment. Not ex manager. Likely to be inexpensive and a head scratching Ďwho?í type appointment, highly regarded but out of sight of most of us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:07:19
Someone with a bit of passion..........

https://youtu.be/Ni2FohbJnJc


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:10:27
I think we have to trust whoever the board decide is the best person for the job. I'd say many were sceptical of Garner/Chorley when they were appointed but on the whole they did a good job. Personally I'll reserve judgement until we see what happens on the pitch from July onwards.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:16:25
Matty Taylor has definitely been interviewed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:22:16
Matty Taylor has definitely been interviewed.

Interesting and would certainly explain the swing in bookies odds. Any other names that have been interviewed do you know?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:28:42
Interesting and would certainly explain the swing in bookies odds. Any other names that have been interviewed do you know?

Him and Mark Delaney are the only 2 Iím aware of that have been interviewed/spoken to.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:29:25
I would probably be happier with a new manager with no previous links to us, yes I know that goes against 90% of Swindon fans feelings.

I would also prefer somebody who has yet to try managing a first team, not it doesnt always work....Williams, McDondald, Malpas, Iffy.....it can work Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, McMahon, Wise, PdC.

I know I dont want a jobbing ex manager like Jackett, Cooper, Flitcroft, Ferguson, McInnes, Kewell etc etc.

Someone like Delaney, Betsy or Garry please with an experienced DoF alongside.

I mostly concur but would still love to see Carrick here despite being an ex (loan) player


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:30:35
Bargain basement appointment and sums up the calibre of coaches weíre looking at if Ex player Taylor being interviewed. Was abysmal at Walsall with a very good budget. At least garner had one small spell at rovers where he done well, Taylor was shite from the first game to the last 😂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:34:05
Bargain basement appointment and sums up the calibre of coaches weíre looking at if Ex player Taylor being interviewed. Was abysmal at Walsall with a very good budget. At least garner had one small spell at rovers where he done well, Taylor was shite from the first game to the last 😂
And here it begins


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:34:17
I mostly concur but would still love to see Carrick here despite being an ex (loan) player
Yep,me too. That would thrill me,initially anyway


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:36:09
And here it begins

I really donít wanna see Taylor at the helm. Itís that simple.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:36:34
The groundswell for Wellens underwhelms me,personally


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:37:12
I mostly concur but would still love to see Carrick here despite being an ex (loan) player
Out of all the names allegedly linked I would prefer Carrick as hes obviously played at the highest level with club and country and has a good grounding at coaching level too.

He applied at Lincoln and was down to 2 but apparently asked for a fairly large pay packet hence him being overlooked.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:37:53
Is it likely we employ a new director of football first, who will then give his opinion over the new manager?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:38:44
The groundswell for Wellens underwhelms me,personally

ÖandÖmeÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:40:10
ÖandÖmeÖ

You're usually dead keen on bringing back successful former managers who left the club in disappointing circumstances!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:41:33
Him and Mark Delaney are the only 2 Iím aware of that have been interviewed/spoken to.

Fair enough, thanks. I think Mark Delaney would be an interesting and forward thinking choice.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:46:25
And here it begins

It's going to happen mate, with a fanbase like ours you are never going to be able to appeal to everyone, probably even if Pep was given the job.

I remember when Wellens was appointed there was a mixture of positive and negative comments, we won't please anyone and if people want to moan about it, that's their outlook.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:48:28
It's going to happen mate, with a fanbase like ours you are never going to be able to appeal to everyone, probably even if Pep was given the job.

I remember when Wellens was appointed there was a mixture of positive and negative comments, we won't please anyone and if people want to moan about it, that's their outlook.


Opinions and arseholes.

Forgive me for not getting excited and not wanting to be ultra positive about the possibility of Matt Taylor, whoís flopped quite bad already,  becoming our manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:54:36

Opinions and arseholes.

Forgive me for not getting excited and not wanting to be ultra positive about the possibility of Matt Taylor, whoís flopped quite bad already,  becoming our manager.

You are perfectly entitled to, which is what I said. All i'd say is that failure at a different club doesn't necessarily mean it will definitely happen with us. Sam Parkin case in point (aware that's a player, rather than a manager)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:56:44
You're usually dead keen on bringing back successful former managers who left the club in disappointing circumstances!

Key word being successful


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 09:59:58
The groundswell for Wellens underwhelms me,personally
I thought that he did well on the comms front when he was here. I also thought he handled coming back incredibly well too. I think he had a lot of luck with loan players, but he showed when Orient came to town this year that he could adapt to situations. He set that team up well to go 1-0 up. After the sending off, he reorganised and snuffed us out completely with 10 men. He went up in my estimations from that game.

I have no issues with him leaving. He didn't do a Sol Campbell. He didn't take us to the cleaners. If I'd been in his position, I think I would have gone too.

If he did come back, I would welcome and get behind him. It wouldn't be the worst appointment in the world. But, I don't think he will, and I don't think we should be looking backwards. We should thank him for the good times and move on.

Wellens is part of the past - both good and bad. We move on!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:02:11
You are perfectly entitled to, which is what I said. All i'd say is that failure at a different club doesn't necessarily mean it will definitely happen with us. Sam Parkin case in point (aware that's a player, rather than a manager)

And with regards to positivity, having a season ticket for the last however many seasons, leaving my money in the club and backing this team on virtually every single away game this season is how I be positive and support, I just standby that I donít want this guy anywhere near.

Fair RE Parkin, could even say Wellens at Oldham , Doyle at Bradford, etc etc.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:47:04
Mango, I felt the same way when Wellens was appointed.  I also saw sense in appointing Flitcroft.

No need to apologise for opinions. Surely we are all adult enough to accept that they aren't always right.

Its an emotional business the football club supporting.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:48:20
The groundswell for Wellens underwhelms me,personally

ÖandÖmeÖ

Me three.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 10:50:23
At least garner had one small spell at rovers where he done well

Iím not sure Rovers fans would agree with the ďdone wellĒ statement 😉


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Outletred on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 11:29:13
The Matty Taylor is definitely the one at Exeter


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 11:32:48
Quote
The Matty Taylor is definitely the one at Exeter
that's really odd then!

must be at a pay rise/more budget at Exeter


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 11:40:02
Out of all the names allegedly linked I would prefer Carrick as hes obviously played at the highest level with club and country and has a good grounding at coaching level too.

He applied at Lincoln and was down to 2 but apparently asked for a fairly large pay packet hence him being overlooked.

And therein lies the nub of who we can expect budget wise. Anyone with grandiose ideas of £5+ per week neednít apply anyone happy to accept upto a £3k ceiling will be welcomed with open arms and a closed wallet.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 11:54:49
The Matty Taylor is definitely the one at Exeter


So then.
A few on here claim to know whoís been interviewed.
Are we able to ask how you know itís that Matt taylor.
Are we saying both Matt Taylors have been interviewed?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 11:55:43
Yep it's definately Matt Taylor the Exeter Manager 2/1.
If Mark Delaney has been interviewed he might be worth putting a £1 on as he's 33/1 !


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 11:58:42
are you solely basing that off bookies odds, or have you had a nod and a wink?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:00:44
This is the problem posters drop snippets then go cold'


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Old_Town_Red on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:02:30
It is definitely Matt Taylor at Exeter who is now bookies favourites however I would guess that those betting have thought it was Matty Taylor (ex Swindon and former Walsall boss).

I would be more surprised if Matt Taylor came here than RW


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:02:58
The current manager at Exeter has a great gig.  Why jack that in now for a club in a lower league?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pookemon on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:13:32
Iíd be fully behind Matty Taylor. Lots to like about the man, and has cut his teeth at Spurs and no doubt learned from the Walsall experience. One step ahead of those that come straight out of youth team football.

And a very good LS pod this morning. Definite change of tone, and rightly pointing out the role of the Trust is under the spotlight. I canít help but feel that were it not for Austinís presence, there would be no suspicion and unease. You just know that in 15 years weíll look back and laugh at the time a money launderer with ďmost-wantedĒ coke smuggling associates, used the club as a veil of credibility for ďbusinessĒ trips to Pakistan, and we looked the other way.  

The pod could have done with alot more balance, but it is entertainment I suppose.

How can you possibly investigate the Pakistan operation without spending a fortune on Private investigators in at least 2 different countries.   The only real option is to ask how much has been spent and then ask questions if and when contacts given.

There's no doubt Zav and comes across as a bit dodge and there is a bit of a smell, but that doesn't mean that it is easy to investigate - football is a murky world and the quicker we get proper regulation the better.

In the last year - Power was removed, fans are soon to own 50% of the ground, and supporters Groups have monthly meetings with the board.   We are miles away from where we were 12 months ago and the trust has helped acheive that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:18:01
I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way Matt Taylor of Exeter has been interviewed. Didn't he turn down approaches for L1 clubs? Also he's just got Exeter up, why on earth would he come back down?

Edit

Oops, misread, that's madness that his odds are 2/1, people definitely betting on the wrong one 😂 talk about fools and money being easily parted.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:20:58
Yeah its got to be the other one surely


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:22:01
Has Nijholt been interviewed?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:28:20
It isnít the Exeter, Matt Taylor.

That odds site has it wrong, thatís just a website that has it listed like that, not the actual bookies.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:28:33
I'm sorry but there's absolutely no way Matt Taylor of Exeter has been interviewed. Didn't he turn down approaches for L1 clubs? Also he's just got Exeter up, why on earth would he come back down?

Sent from my CLT-L09

I'm sure there is no way that Exeter would allow an approach either just for him to talk to another club in a lower division.

Anyone take Hasselbaink ? he has done well previously.

I expect this has caught the club, Garner was picked by the DoF and known to him as he was a scout previously, this time we don't have a DoF that knows who is out there Rob & Clem have to do some digging around, will they know of up and coming coaches ? chances are they wont as they have not been in football long enough to make enough contacts to get reliable tips from contacts.

You can see a new manager / coach being appointed that has had experience elsewhere, with no DoF time is ticking towards pre-season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:46:11
The pod could have done with alot more balance,

Its not the BBC!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:48:43
The current manager at Exeter has a great gig.  Why jack that in now for a club in a lower league?

ask Ritchie wellens


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:56:52
Anyone take Hasselbaink ? he has done well previously.

Yes, for sure.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 12:59:01
Isn't JFH back at Burton?

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He is


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:14:31
One of the things I liked about Wellens was his rapport with the fans.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:27:03
One of the things I liked about Wellens was his rapport with the fans.

Is the reason people want him back, he told people want they wanted to hear.

He told us not to question his loyalty, then days later asked to leave.
He then had the opportunity to tell us how shit Power was, but actually praised him.

People saying Garner isn't welcome back due to his lack of loyalty for interviewing for another club, yet want Wellens back


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:39:53
Wellens back to 2/1 favourite Taylor drops to 4/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:46:04
Wellens back to 2/1 favourite Taylor drops to 4/1

Probably bc people have had a nibble at him at 6's so he's come back in again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:47:39
Probably bc people have had a nibble at him at 6's so he's come back in again.

I wonder how many bets it takes to alter the odds


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:48:55
Alan Pardew has resigned from CSKA Sofia today 🤔


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:50:26
I wonder how many bets it takes to alter the odds

Not that many I wouldn't have thought.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crispy on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:52:45
Next to no liquidity in the market, a score from the 'wrong' account would move it.

I had £50 on Doyle resigning in the January from Bradford, 10/1, was into 3s within the hour  ;D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:55:47
Next to no liquidity in the market, a score from the 'wrong' account would move it.

I had £50 on Doyle resigning in the January from Bradford, 10/1, was into 3s within the hour  ;D

Yeah exactly. Won't take much for the bookies to bring the odds in.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 13:59:37
Isn't JFH back at Burton?

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He is

I seem to remember JFH being mentioned after Di Canio left. Forgive me if Iím wrong


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:12:01
Alan Pardew has resigned from CSKA Sofia today 🤔


I'd forgotten about him along with Alan Curbishley & David O'Leary😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:17:32
I seem to recall that during the last round of management speculation, it was suggested that the club should be a trailblazer, break down barriers and appoint a female manager.  Why not?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:19:39
I seem to recall that during the last round of management speculation, it was suggested that the club should be a trailblazer, break down barriers and appoint a female manager.  Why not?

Iíve no issue with that whatsoever


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:21:28
Cue Cherrie Lunghi 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:23:47
I would support Cherie Lunghi in any position!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:28:33
Alex Scott. Sheís fucking everywhere else.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:33:04
Sangita Shah.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:38:04
It's going to happen mate, with a fanbase like ours you are never going to be able to appeal to everyone, probably even if Pep was given the job.
Too much like Garner. ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 14:48:05
Alex Scott. Sheís fucking everywhere else.

Apart from the place I wish she was!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:00:14
Is the reason people want him back, he told people want they wanted to hear.

He told us not to question his loyalty, then days later asked to leave.
He then had the opportunity to tell us how shit Power was, but actually praised him.

People saying Garner isn't welcome back due to his lack of loyalty for interviewing for another club, yet want Wellens back
Aye,my thoughts too


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:00:32
Aye,my thoughts too
+1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:01:02
I wonder how many bets it takes to alter the odds
For Town manager? I'd guess one


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:01:12
I seem to recall that during the last round of management speculation, it was suggested that the club should be a trailblazer, break down barriers and appoint a female manager.  Why not?
Female football is a completely different sport to mens football, itís played to a completely different intensity you donít have to set up against teams like Vale where no the ball spends more time in the air than on the ground. A female manager would need a grounding in coaching in mens football before they could even be considered IMO. And this is before you even consider the ego of an average footballer and the likely problems that would cause. Iíd rather we werenít the experimentÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:02:51
Female football is a completely different sport to mens football, itís played to a completely different intensity you donít have to set up against teams like Vale where no the ball spends more time in the air than on the ground. A female manager would need a grounding in coaching in mens football before they could even be considered IMO. And this is before you even consider the ego of an average footballer and the likely problems that would cause. Iíd rather we werenít the experimentÖ
Me too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:05:32
Aye,my thoughts too

Completely disagree. There were many mitigating circumstance behind Wellens jumping ship, as we all witnessed across that season. I don't begrudge him leaving for a local club near his family with that about to happen.

There are no such concerns this season (beyond rumours from nobodies) and the club is on the up, so there are no mitigating circumstances. Having said that i dont have a problem with him moving up the leagues earning more cash etc.

I also think the fanbase at large play down both of their achieves. With lines like, he had Doyle and Yates, or with this squad he should have got automatic. Make no mistake both managers deserve credit for getting those performances from those players and getting us where they got us. No point rewriting history and saying they werer both lucky.

Anyone on to whoever is next. I don't see Wellens leaving honestly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:07:21
Me too.

Yep, fuck that. They are pretty much 2 different sports.

Iíd rather we werenít the experiment


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:08:51
Female football is a completely different sport to mens football, itís played to a completely different intensity you donít have to set up against teams like Vale where no the ball spends more time in the air than on the ground. A female manager would need a grounding in coaching in mens football before they could even be considered IMO. And this is before you even consider the ego of an average footballer and the likely problems that would cause. Iíd rather we werenít the experimentÖ
Absolutely.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:10:55
Female football is a completely different sport to mens football, itís played to a completely different intensity you donít have to set up against teams like Vale where no the ball spends more time in the air than on the ground. A female manager would need a grounding in coaching in mens football before they could even be considered IMO. And this is before you even consider the ego of an average footballer and the likely problems that would cause. Iíd rather we werenít the experimentÖ

Same applies to men who have previously coached in women's football - Mark Sampson had a go at Stevenage, although that went pretty disastrously for multiple reasons. A good coach could make the tactical transition though - it's not exactly like men's academy football is played particularly similarly to League Two, and that's the in vogue option!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:14:11
Same applies to men who have previously coached in women's football - Mark Sampson had a go at Stevenage, although that went pretty disastrously for multiple reasons.
Yep itís a completely different sport and apart from the rules very little is transferable. Our under 18ís would beat any female team in the world with relative ease.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:15:17
You don't know until you try it.  It would be a great USP for a club that does break the mould.  I suppose you need a progressive club/fanbase.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:37:28
The Chelsea womens manager knows her stuff - whether it would work?  who knows, but she would be the only current womens manager that would get anywhere near a mens job.  Crawley considered her for their manager position apparently.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:39:58
You don't know until you try it.  It would be a great USP for a club that does break the mould.  I suppose you need a progressive club/fanbase.

Franchise would suit her best then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:42:50
Come now JBZ don't rattle the dinosaur cages


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:53:53
Apart from the place I wish she was!

In the kitchen 😀😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:56:53
The Chelsea womens manager knows her stuff - whether it would work?  who knows, but she would be the only current womens manager that would get anywhere near a mens job.  Crawley considered her for their manager position apparently.

Much prefer listening to her commentating to Jenas, Shearer & Co


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: AMayesIng on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 15:59:29
Emma Hayes. Superb reading of the game. Whether that makes a good L2 mens football manager, who knows?
https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/sport/pundit-of-the-year-emma-hayes/5164838.article#:~:text=Our%20judges%20were%20unanimous%20in,she%20triumphed%20as%20a%20pundit.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:26:37
Our under 18ís would beat any female team in the world with relative ease.


Bollocks!



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:51:45
Saying that someone of a particular gender cannot do a job wouldn't sit right with many.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:51:51
fucking hell, we are a team trying to get out of league 2, not the media circus we'd become by experimenting.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:52:26
fucking hell, we are a team trying to get out of league 2, not the media circus we'd become by experimenting.

Are they mutually exclusive?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:52:51
Saying that someone of a particular gender cannot do a job wouldn't sit right with many.

Well said Miss.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:53:31
fucking hell, we are a team trying to get out of league 2, not the media circus we'd become by experimenting.
No different to appointing someone like PDC


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:53:48

Bollocks!


Been repeatedly proven, both US womanís team and Australiaís have been spanked by academy teams in recent history. Itís a different game.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:53:52
fucking hell, we are a team trying to get out of league 2, not the media circus we'd become by experimenting.
Let FGR do the experiements in craving publicity and not us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:54:45
Phil Neville managed the England women's team without any fuss


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:55:40
Phil Neville managed the England women's team without any success
Corrected.

What happened when he managed in the USA?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:55:45
Well said Miss.

Thanks :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:56:23
Corrected.

😀😀😀 But they were a higher standard!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 16:57:56
Been repeatedly proven, both US womanís team and Australiaís have been spanked by academy teams in recent history. Itís a different game.
No surprise if they all shoot like this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/tomlinsoncj/status/1302656877919178754?lang=en


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:07:59
Quote from: Shrivvy Road
No different to appointing someone like PDC

other than him playing at the very top level in the men's game, identical.

I know you meant publicity/media circus...

I think if we were talking about a female coach of a men's team there's more of a debate to have.

it's a question of relevant experience over gender


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:26:53
Can we save the misogyny for another thread and get back to the matter at hand?

Given that (relatively) small punts on individuals can easily sway bookies odds, it could be a fun thing for the TEF pressure group to get someone obscure into the bookies running.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:27:32
Pardew resigns ! Is he coming here and bringing the Stoke U23 guy with him.

😂😂😂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:29:56
I'm not saying these two things are connected but they are facts:

Clem met Craig Moore in London on Sunday (photo on LinkedIn)

Moore was DoF at Brisbane Roar for 3 years


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:34:54
I'm not saying these two things are connected but they are facts:

Clem met Craig Moore in London on Sunday (photo on LinkedIn)

Moore was DoF at Brisbane Roar for 3 years

Nice!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:37:03
good sluthing


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:39:41
Can we save the misogyny for another thread and get back to the matter at hand?

Given that (relatively) small punts on individuals can easily sway bookies odds, it could be a fun thing for the TEF pressure group to get someone obscure into the bookies running.

Calm down love.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 17:43:24
I'm not saying these two things are connected but they are facts:

Clem met Craig Moore in London on Sunday (photo on LinkedIn)

Moore was DoF at Brisbane Roar for 3 years
He's an agent.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 20:46:01
Alex Scott. Sheís fucking everywhere else.

Well fit.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 20:49:51
Can we save the misogyny for another thread and get back to the matter at hand?

Given that (relatively) small punts on individuals can easily sway bookies odds, it could be a fun thing for the TEF pressure group to get someone obscure into the bookies running.

Or, say, Rafa Benitez


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 1, 2022, 21:11:00
Matty Taylor back at 2/1 Wellens 4/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 08:44:46
No rants this morning?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20182685.clem-morfuni-swindon-cannot-comment-speculation-amid-ben-garner-exit-reports/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:08:21
No one is bigger than the club😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:21:21
No rants this morning?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20182685.clem-morfuni-swindon-cannot-comment-speculation-amid-ben-garner-exit-reports/

"Other club". So more than hearsay.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:37:54
Mark Delaney now 8/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:41:11
So is Mark Cooper😅


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:52:58
Bookies. Odds. Mean. Nothing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:55:05
Mark Delaney has been interviewed, Mark Cooper hasn't (Yet)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 10:06:53
At 46 he's hardly a young rookie


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 10:11:18
Mark Cooper hasn't
Better stay that way as well!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 10:13:07
Better stay that way as well!

Agreed  :clap:

Saw this earlier no idea if it's genuine


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 10:27:50
Quote from: Samdy Gray
Bookies. Odds. Mean. Nothing.

it's not worth it Sam...

well to be fair they can do.. if they come crashing down to rediculous levels in a short time then get suspended ...

we aren't there


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 10:28:56
Quote from: cdakev
Mark Cooper hasn't (Yet)

surely we are not going to "go again".

I don't actually dislike him. but I don't want him back


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 11:12:00
Agreed  :clap:

Saw this earlier no idea if it's genuine
Yeah that's real

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 11:26:47
surely we are not going to "go again".

I don't actually dislike him. but I don't want him back

I didnít really have a problem with him when he was with us, however the incidents at Forest Green & Barrow since suggest he might not be the man for us


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 20:39:51
Been repeatedly proven, both US womanís team and Australiaís have been spanked by academy teams in recent history. Itís a different game.

Not just academy teams but the American womens team got beat 5-2 by an MLS Under 15s team (DC United).

Saying our Under 18s would beat any womens team in the world is not controversial. You could go quite a bit younger.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JBZ on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 21:14:04
What was Garner's playing career? Has any question or query been raised as to whether he should be coaching in the lower reaches of the football league?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, June 2, 2022, 21:18:51
What was Garner's playing career? Has any question or query been raised as to whether he should be coaching in the lower reaches of the football league?
Injury ended his career at a young age.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Friday, June 3, 2022, 06:50:01
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20184868.clem-morfuni-unable-shed-much-light-ben-chorley-quit-swindon-town/

Sounds like no DOF


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, June 3, 2022, 06:57:17
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20184868.clem-morfuni-unable-shed-much-light-ben-chorley-quit-swindon-town/

Sounds like no DOF

Iím not sure football related questions are our Chairmanís forte. But theyíre still mates, which comes as a relief to us all!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:10:03
I'm not so sure Clem is telling the whole story as there were rumours Chorley would be going at the end of the season  two months ago. Also its a bit odd that he's saying he's not sure if we need a DOF and may need to change tactics!
Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like the club are trying to reduce its outgoings starting with a DOF salary.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:14:30
I tweeted this the other day and have not seen anyone else mention it.
https://thepfsa.co.uk/the-pfsa-partner-with-swindon-town-to-provide-scouting-and-analysis-courses/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:23:15
Iím not sure football related questions are our Chairmanís forte. But theyíre still mates, which comes as a relief to us all!
I think that's a lost in translation moment. Being 'mates' is important thing for Aussies. What I think he was trying to get across is that there weren't any behind the scenes issues that forced him out. Chorley has decided for his own reasons (probably a better opportunity elsewhere) to walk away. Morfuni is looking at a number of options to replace him (and Garner, if he goes) and is open to a DoF/Coach or single Manager option.

I do wonder whether it was always the plan to bring all of these people into the club in the short term to help us survive. Then, at the end of the season, with job done, many are looking elsewhere.

We'll see. It will be an interesting few weeks again I guess.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:33:43
I'm not so sure Clem is telling the whole story as there were rumours Chorley would be going at the end of the season  two months ago. Also its a bit odd that he's saying he's not sure if we need a DOF and may need to change tactics!
Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like the club are trying to reduce its outgoings starting with a DOF salary.
I think he's probably playing the diplomat a little bit with Chorley. It's not up to him to say if Chorley has been offered a job elsewhere, it is up to Chorley whether he wants to say so, or not. As someone else pointed out, though, I'm sure it's a relief to everyone to know that they are still friends  8)

Regarding whether, or not, he has a DOF, maybe the potential new managers interviewed so far have suggested that they would prefer not to have one....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:44:19
I'm not so sure Clem is telling the whole story as there were rumours Chorley would be going at the end of the season  two months ago. Also its a bit odd that he's saying he's not sure if we need a DOF and may need to change tactics!
Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like the club are trying to reduce its outgoings starting with a DOF salary.
Totally agree, i mean it isn;t as if they have said the budget is 40% higher and we are investing in the pitch the club shop and the training ground. Agree, stinks of cuts to me


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Friday, June 3, 2022, 07:48:10
Totally agree, i mean it isn;t as if they have said the budget is 40% higher and we are investing in the pitch the club shop and the training ground. Agree, stinks of cuts to me

Oh a percentage quote? Where was this published?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, June 3, 2022, 08:11:39

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I tweeted this the other day and have not seen anyone else mention it.
https://thepfsa.co.uk/the-pfsa-partner-with-swindon-town-to-provide-scouting-and-analysis-courses/

We have a Head of Recruitment? Les Caffery is a new name to me. Seems to have been here all season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 3, 2022, 08:13:38
Totally agree, i mean it isn;t as if they have said the budget is 40% higher and we are investing in the pitch the club shop and the training ground. Agree, stinks of cuts to me

More internet bullshit.
If the budget isnít being cut why didnít we offer Conroy a substantial pay rise?
Eh eh eh?

Just making stuff up arenít you?

Just the usual gossip over breakfast with you and your mate? I bet


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, June 3, 2022, 08:32:58
More internet bullshit.
If the budget isnít being cut why didnít we offer Conroy a substantial pay rise?
Eh eh eh?

Just making stuff up arenít you?

Just the usual gossip over breakfast with you and your mate? I bet
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:I love you Div


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 09:15:42
Quote
Totally agree, i mean it isn;t as if they have said the budget is 40% higher and we are investing in the pitch the club shop and the training ground. Agree, stinks of cuts to me
40% playing budget increase? where did that come from?

some of it is for retaining players like Williams and Reed. They have to be paid what they're worth, not what the embargo enforced.

which is brilliant to be able to do
------
There is no way in hell Clem is going to reveal why Chorley left, nor should he.

the normal reasons are
   - family/personal
   - falling out with someone
   - restricted job (budget, remit)
   - got an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match

who knows.
------
very suprised we aren't going down the DoF/manager model - ok not ruled out..

guess there are a manager or two in the running who want control


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Friday, June 3, 2022, 09:41:21
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:I love you Div

I hope you pick up the billÖ.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:09:52
very suprised we aren't going down the DoF/manager model - ok not ruled out..

guess there are a manager or two in the running who want control

Iím guessing that what Clem means is that it wonít be enforced on any candidate.

We wouldnít want to lose a great candidate just because we have a DOF, so is open to either model


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:12:11
Outside of the transfer windows & scouting players and talking with agents etc what else does a DOF do on a daily/weekly basis to justify full time employment at a league 2 club


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:18:08
Quote from: Posh Red

We wouldnít want to lose a great candidate just because we have a DOF, so is open to either model

I want clear, that was my point though .

which makes me wonder if we've got some candidates who are more experienced* than I expected.

I thought we'd go academy coach/DoF

* I suppose just because you are an academy coach doesn't mean you don't want full control to take the post


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:24:45
40% playing budget increase? where did that come from?

some of it is for retaining players like Williams and Reed. They have to be paid what they're worth, not what the embargo enforced.

which is brilliant to be able to do
------
There is no way in hell Clem is going to reveal why Chorley left, nor should he.

the normal reasons are
   - family/personal
   - falling out with someone
   - restricted job (budget, remit)
   - got an offer he couldn't refuse and we couldn't match

who knows.
------
very suprised we aren't going down the DoF/manager model - ok not ruled out..

guess there are a manager or two in the running who want control

Personal reasons on this occasion only reason given


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, June 3, 2022, 10:57:42
Is there anyone who didn't get the job that you want to out on here Jan?  Just interested like..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 11:16:45
fair enough Jan. He's gone, that's all that really matters


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, June 3, 2022, 15:20:47

We have a Head of Recruitment? Les Caffery is a new name to me. Seems to have been here all season.
Also a fella called Jamie Russell. Links with Salford and WBA academies. Maybe, just maybe, these 2 put Chorleyís Nose out of joint.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 15:29:02
maybe.

but maybe it'll also give us continuity in our summer targets.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, June 3, 2022, 18:05:33
It will be nice to know a bit more about the structure of the club and the job roles of these 2 as they seem to be new names that have not had a mention.

What does Seamus Brady do these days ? he seems to have been around for years and never gets a mention


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, June 3, 2022, 18:21:12
I am still interested in who applied and didnít get job Jan? Any names? Or do I need to look on Twitter?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, June 3, 2022, 19:10:28
Quote from: Berniman
I am still interested in who applied and didnít get job Jan? Any names? Or do I need to look on Twitter?

do you think that'll ever be made public Bernie? especially if anybody employed made contact.

not your normal type of question!?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, June 3, 2022, 21:01:31
It will be nice to know a bit more about the structure of the club and the job roles of these 2 as they seem to be new names that have not had a mention.

What does Seamus Brady do these days ? he seems to have been around for years and never gets a mention
He left a long time ago!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, June 3, 2022, 23:20:20
He left a long time ago!

Still down as Academy Director in the Who's Who.  :hmmm:

Thought he had a stint at Waterford?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: otanswell on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 01:38:58
Power got rid of Chorley
Clem still paid him to scout players as he knew he would win the court csss


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 04:56:20
Matt Taylor now evens fav


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 05:27:19
It will be interesting to see if betting on him gets suspended.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 06:19:38
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Matt Taylor now evens fav

underwhelming


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 06:58:06
Really? I donít think itíll be him - why would he leave Exeter?

Only thing is, he has been linked to 2 jobs in the last 18 months - Walsall and Charlton - and heís come out on both occasions dismissing it. This rumour has been knocking about a while now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 07:15:56
Pretty sure it's ex player Matt Taylor rather than the current Exeter manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 07:25:27
Really? I donít think itíll be him - why would he leave Exeter?

Only thing is, he has been linked to 2 jobs in the last 18 months - Walsall and Charlton - and heís come out on both occasions dismissing it. This rumour has been knocking about a while now.

Probably be easy for Matt Taylor to leave Exeter - what with not working there.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 07:26:55
Still down as Academy Director in the Who's Who.  :hmmm:

Thought he had a stint at Waterford?
Hmmmm..... You are right! I thought he had gone.

Apparently went to Waterford in 2021:
https://www.wlrfm.com/sport/seamus-brady-the-new-blues-first-team-coach-173488

Power sold Waterford in June 2021 and a new manager (and coaching team) brought in. Can't find anything more about Brady at (or leaving) Waterford.

I see Brady joining Town in 2017, then the last I can see is that in April 2022 he was listed as STFC Academy Director.

In the words of Toyah, 'its a mystery'!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 07:46:17
Matt Taylor now evens fav
It obviously isn't the Exeter one. The former Town player hasn't set the world alight. Lost 3-0 vs Cheltenham in his only game in charge here. Then only won 9 of 36 at Walsall.

Interesting Fans TV video on Matt Taylor after his sacking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JXG7X4HTUo

Summary:
- Brought in as a quality coach of young players.
- Stuck at 4-3-2-1 when they didn't have the players for it
- Didn't bring in the players that were needed to score goals, but said he was happy with the squad
- Very polite, pleasant guy, but it didn't happen for him
- Matt Taylor was the fall guy, but didn't paint himself in glory
- Neil McDonald didn't support him
- Taylor didn't turn to the young players to give them a chance develop them
- Jamie Fullerton was responsible for transfers, but he failed in his role
- Lost 1-0 to Scunthorpe and were heading for non-league.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:05:00
Really? I donít think itíll be him - why would he leave Exeter?

Only thing is, he has been linked to 2 jobs in the last 18 months - Walsall and Charlton - and heís come out on both occasions dismissing it. This rumour has been knocking about a while now.
100% its not the Exeter manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:06:06
Hmmmm..... You are right! I thought he had gone.

Apparently went to Waterford in 2021:
https://www.wlrfm.com/sport/seamus-brady-the-new-blues-first-team-coach-173488

Power sold Waterford in June 2021 and a new manager (and coaching team) brought in. Can't find anything more about Brady at (or leaving) Waterford.

I see Brady joining Town in 2017, then the last I can see is that in April 2022 he was listed as STFC Academy Director.

In the words of Toyah, 'its a mystery'!
Brady definately didn't leave for Waterford at all and had no idea about the job they said he had on their OS.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:23:57
Taylorís record at Walsall was bad and he had a decent budget.

Canít see us shifting many more season tickets if that is the appointment tbh


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:35:25
Taylorís record at Walsall was bad and he had a decent budget.

Canít see us shifting many more season tickets if that is the appointment tbh

100% agree.

Not a fan of appointing him at all.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:36:22
So clem has confirmed a 40% playing budget increase.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:39:10
100% its not the Exeter manager.

It's a bit odd that the bookies haven't amended his profile if it isn't the Exeter manager JJ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:41:57
So clem has confirmed a 40% playing budget increase.



Major alarm bells if there wasnít an increase of some sort considering the embargo last season. But at least heís clarified.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:48:30
Oh a percentage quote? Where was this published?
Today's adver🙈🙈


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:50:56
Quote from: Jimmy QuitMoaning
It's a bit odd that the bookies haven't amended his profile if it isn't the Exeter manager JJ

it probably is the Exeter one at the bookies

people bet on wrong one, odds drop on wrong one. what does the bookie care. free money


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:54:56
40% sounds massive, and based on the players we got last year should be a really good squad

but in truth, with the embargo, I don't know if 40% piss us top 5 in the league or middle. we did have some bigger earners outside embargo too

I assume the former


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:55:07
it probably is the Exeter one at the bookies

people bet on wrong one, odds drop on wrong one. what does the bookie care. free money

Fair point but it does seem strange several days on that it hasn't been changed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:56:12
Today's adver🙈🙈
Nice that he has confrmed this.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 08:59:12
Quote
Fair point but it does seem strange several days on that it hasn't been changed.
be changed by who?

people starting to bet on the other Matt Taylor, that's what will change it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:03:42
be changed by who?

people starting to bet on the other Matt Taylor, that's what will change it

Not being a betting person I'm not sure how it works. When you select who you're betting on either online or in the bookies isn't made clear before you comitt?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:09:32
Today's adver🙈🙈

Yep, good to know.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:12:08
Someone has questioned the bookies as well to confirm the payout status of which ever Matt Taylor is appointed and they confirmed the payout stands as long as the person named manager is called Matt Taylor, so it shows that they're not concerned as to which Taylor shows on their odds list and that it's irrelevant.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:15:37
Nice that he has confrmed this.

Should put to bed some of 80% bollocks pertaining to the forthcoming season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:25:32
Someone has questioned the bookies as well to confirm the payout status of which ever Matt Taylor is appointed and they confirmed the payout stands as long as the person named manager is called Matt Taylor, so it shows that they're not concerned as to which Taylor shows on their odds list and that it's irrelevant.

I suppose more fool the punters for not checking but there must be a few making the same mistake.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:31:33
So clem has confirmed a 40% playing budget increase.
Read the Adver again, that's not what the article says. He confirmed a '40% budget increase' and then there was talk about spending on infrastructure (club shop, training ground and pitch). Nothing about playing budget.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:34:06
Read the Adver again, that's not what the article says. He confirmed a '40% budget increase' and then there was talk about spending on infrastructure (club shop, training ground and pitch). Nothing about playing budget.
Interesting point, I had not noticed that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:34:20
With the cost of everything going up it doesn't mean that the extra 40% will go very far whatever it's spent on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 09:58:38
Ben Garner has now formally agreed terms with Charlton and compensation fee has been agreed with Swindon for him. Scott Marshall and Scott Lindsey have both had zoom calls with Charlton, now the two clubs need to agree compensation fee for them. Deal should be closed soon. #stfc

Tweet from Ryan Walker from total sport Swindon


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:07:48
Ben Garner has now formally agreed terms with Charlton and compensation fee has been agreed with Swindon for him. Scott Marshall and Scott Lindsey have both had zoom calls with Charlton, now the two clubs need to agree compensation fee for them. Deal should be closed soon. #stfc

Tweet from Ryan Walker from total sport Swindon

Phew, if correct Iím glad itís done and we can move on


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:13:48
Ryan Mason or Mark Delaney, both fit the criteria and both want the job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:21:13
How do you know?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:22:24
Some bloke on twitter reckons Clem is desperate for Ryan Mason


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:30:46
Today's adver🙈🙈

Öbut DoB saidÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:31:48
Mason would be handy. We'd have good links with Spurs to add to our relationship with Villa (If that remains after our staff overhaul)



Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:39:18
Some bloke on twitter reckons Clem is desperate for Ryan Mason
Makes sense as Clem's a Spurs fan right?

I'd be happy with that.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:41:43
I think Ryan Mason who be a good appointment and would go down well with the supporters. Please not Matt Taylor tho


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:48:09
Mason as manager & Taylor as assistant could work.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 10:50:59
Just because


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:05:06
I'd be very happy with Mason.  I'd like him to have someone alongside him with more experience.  Maybe a Peter Taylor to his Brian Cough.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:11:15
I'd be very happy with Mason.  I'd like him to have someone alongside him with more experience.  Maybe a Peter Taylor to his Brian Cough.
I do wonder if we can match his wage at Spurs being hes 1st team coach and probably on a lot more money than we could afford.

If he wants a managers position, I use Neil Critchley from Blackpool as an example that Prem money talk loudly compared to any clubs outside the Prem.

I have a feeling it will be Matty Taylor (our old player not the Exeter one  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:) as Clem obviously knows him from his time at Swindon and hes young and ambitious to manage.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:32:30
Wasn't he caretaker boss at Spurs for a few months? Decent record too if I remember rightly


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:33:09
Mason would be handy. We'd have good links with Spurs to add to our relationship with Villa (If that remains after our staff overhaul)



Didnít Pee Lower err piss on Spurs a few years agoÖ.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:34:14
Wasn't he caretaker boss at Spurs for a few months? Decent record too if I remember rightly
7 games 4 wins 3 defeats.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:36:08
Didnít Pee Lower err piss on Spurs a few years agoÖ.
He did, massively. There are a few clubs who refuse(d) to work with us on the back of that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:37:14
He did, massively. There are a few clubs who refuse(d) to work with us on the back of that
Add Liverpool and Man City to that list.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:38:02
Is this to do with the Luongo/Gladwin sale or am I forgetting something else?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:39:06
Is this to do with the Luongo/Gladwin sale or am I forgetting something else?

The very same.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:54:18
Which benefitted us by selling Gladwin for more than he was worth and Luongo less.

We were all for Power doing the deal that way at the timeÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:54:28
Öbut DoB saidÖ

Only repeat what I get told.
Nothing more than I would like than an increased budget and of course a decent squad to get out of this awful division.

Two points, you wonít get me making things up and yes I was told this by more than one person.

Can only wait to see what unfolds.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:54:54
Well I say Ďusí if they money had been reinvested properly into our playing budget it would haveÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:55:31
do you think that'll ever be made public Bernie? especially if anybody employed made contact.

not your normal type of question!?!

It's not the type of thing that does get made public typically, but I know Jan has a different view, hence why I am directing it at him.  I am not expecting a response..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:56:40
Pretty sure it's ex player Matt Taylor rather than the current Exeter manager.

It is


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:57:53
Mason would be a decent appointment.
Very intelligent and a decent pedigree.
Get some experience in at number two and could be an exciting appointment.
Delaney mentioned again this morning but could be nothing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 11:59:25
Pretty sure it's ex player Matt Taylor rather than the current Exeter manager.

It is.
Lives locally and out of work.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:05:39
I do wonder if we can match his wage at Spurs being hes 1st team coach and probably on a lot more money than we could afford.

True enough.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:12:59
𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: Swindon manager Ben Garner has agreed a two-year contract to become Charlton's new boss.

The Addicks have also finalised a  compensation package with the Robins.

- talkSPORT sources understand


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:13:12
Didnít Pee Lower err piss on Spurs a few years agoÖ.

Just Spurs?
😂
My biggest concern remains with our previous dealings as ďagentsĒ and with other agents.
This is likely to get exposed when they lift the lid in a subsequent hearing.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:14:20
𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: Swindon manager Ben Garner has agreed a two-year contract to become Charlton's new boss.

The Addicks have also finalised a  compensation package with the Robins.

- talkSPORT sources understand

Should pave the way to make our announcement now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:16:26
Unwelcome news, but let's just get it done and move on with our summer. The delay hasn't helped the club or the fanbase one bit.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:18:34
Iím sure the club knew he was gone before we did and original article was ages ago.

Hopefully weíve been moving on swiftly and a new management team is just around the corner


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:24:32
Someone's having some fun at the bookies😀
Both Matt Taylor's are evens and Ryan Mason in at 4/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:39:28
𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚: Swindon manager Ben Garner has agreed a two-year contract to become Charlton's new boss.

The Addicks have also finalised a  compensation package with the Robins.

- talkSPORT sources understand
@ £90,000 pa heís hardly left us for the money. Is that more worrying a reason to Jack it in here?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:44:31
@ £90,000 pa heís hardly left us for the money. Is that more worrying a reason to Jack it in here?

Itís a step up, to a bigger club for more money. Nothing more than that.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 12:54:14
@ £90,000 pa heís hardly left us for the money. Is that more worrying a reason to Jack it in here?
He has left us for what he probably sees as a better job. There doesn't always have to be cause for concern Audrey


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 13:33:02
I have no ill will towards him, glad that this is finally starting to happen so we can get on and announce our guy. I'm hoping we're as good as ready to do so.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 13:39:13
Looking at the lower divisions, movement of managerial staff every season is very fluid. I doubt 70% of new appointments donít last more than two seasons before theyíre moved on by the club or move on under their own efforts. As a bottom feeder club any modicum of success either from the manager or a player is always going to attract bigger fish in the wider pond.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 13:49:02
He had to make the move. It may be the first and only chance he gets at a club the size of Charlton.

If he was to have a bad start next season, with the added pressure of no embargo and no *free hit* he'd have sackings from Bristol Rovers and Swindon on his CV. Career would be hanging by a thread.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 14:35:04
It is

Funny, i have been told it isn't and it is the Exeter guy. I love the fact the bookies can't split them and are basically offering odds on anyone called Matt Taylor!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 14:44:34
Funny, i have been told it isn't and it is the Exeter guy. I love the fact the bookies can't split them and are basically offering odds on anyone called Matt Taylor!

Do you think the TEF could mischievously put a few bets on the new manager being the Oxford striker Matt Taylor in the hope of getting three Matt Taylors into the betting charts?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 14:54:28
Do you think the TEF could mischievously put a few bets on the new manager being the Oxford striker Matt Taylor in the hope of getting three Matt Taylors into the betting charts?

We could always go for Matt Taylor the BBC weather manÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:03:41
how do they genuinely differentiate? because if you bet on someone with the same name you are basically getting 2 bets for 1. if a matt Taylor got the job and you bet on the other one you would just say it was that one!..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:06:08
The Taylor's have dropped from evens to 6/4 but Ryan Mason now 2/1 .........intriguing stuff😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:07:39
I assume someone like Mason is more likely to also require a DoF appointment?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:38:52
The Taylor's have dropped from evens to 6/4 but Ryan Mason now 2/1 .........intriguing stuff😀
Not really mate its just betting trends it actually means nothing just that theres been a run on people putting bets on Mason after the Twitter post earlier.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:47:18
not sure I get the clamour for mason, but I haven't looked up what he's been doing since the horror injury tbf


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:49:04
Mason joined the coaching staff of Tottenham Hotspur in April 2018.[59] In February 2019, he suggested that heading should be banned for children.[60] He was made the official academy coach for the Under-19 UEFA Youth League side in July 2019,[61][62] and then the head of player development (U-17 to U-23) in August 2020.[63]

On 20 April 2021, following the dismissal of Josť Mourinho as head coach, Mason was named interim head coach of Tottenham Hotspur until the end of the season.[64] At the age of 29, he became the youngest manager of a Premier League team; the previous record holder Attilio Lombardo of Crystal Palace was 32.[65][66] Mason won his first match in charge of Tottenham, who beat Southampton at home 2Ė1 on 21 April.[67] Four days later, the club lost the 2021 EFL Cup Final by a single goal to Manchester City.[68] He oversaw five more games in charge, winning three and losing two with Tottenham finishing seventh at the end of the season.[69]

On 4 November 2021, following the appointment of Antonio Conte as Head Coach, Mason was promoted to the role of First Team Coach after impressing Antonio Conte during his handling of leading training all week


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:50:52
yeah, just read that.

not sure whether head coach means manager of not..

not for me, but obviously would support him if appointed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:52:27
I would much rather have Mason than Sol Campbell😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:53:00
Mourhino was Head Coach in his time at Spurs.

Not sure what Ďkindí of new man you are expecting.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:54:42
I guess someone who has managed a bit. even if it's u21.

that's just me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:58:16
I've just realised that he's still only 30 so would he need an older experience assistant🤔


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:58:26
Modern footballing parlance doesnít seem to differentiate between manager and head coach these days. Itís just semantics, I reckon. Would Mason need a DoF? No idea. But whoever it is will have told Clem what conditions he wants to work under.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 15:59:47
yeah I did say I wasn't sure of head coach=manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:23:18
I think it's clear that (our) Matt Taylor would be the easy appointment, whether it is the right one is questionable.  My view is we have always had more success with a more left field appointment - When you think of Macari, Ossie, Hoddle, Di Canio, Wellens - they all came out of the blue, had no previous connection with the club and all did well.  I would love to see something similar as it seems to work for us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:36:53
I think it's clear that (our) Matt Taylor would be the easy appointment, whether it is the right one is questionable.  My view is we have always had more success with a more left field appointment - When you think of Macari, Ossie, Hoddle, Di Canio, Wellens - they all came out of the blue, had no previous connection with the club and all did well.  I would love to see something similar as it seems to work for us.
Each of those brought a couple of players they knew - Digby, Watson, Moncur, Hazard, Doyle etc. But they also relied on their names to attract people.

Different times now. My money would be on the cheap option Taylor with a DoF noone has heard of


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:45:10
That would be uninspiring


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:45:56
So was Garner though tbf


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 16:48:57
I think taking the 'free hit' season and then leaving is a dick more.  I hope both Bens and other coaches fail.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:07:51
I think taking the 'free hit' season and then leaving is a dick more.  I hope both Bens and other coaches fail.
Hmmm. Let's see what comes out about why Chorley resigned.

No time for Garner applying for other things while we were still in the play offs. Hope he sees the other side of loyalty in his career.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:37:47
Not just academy teams but the American womens team got beat 5-2 by an MLS Under 15s team (DC United).

Saying our Under 18s would beat any womens team in the world is not controversial. You could go quite a bit younger.

Correction FC Dallas.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:47:25
I would much rather have Mason than Sol Campbell😀

I would rather have Naomi Campbell than Sol.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:49:19
Hmmm. Let's see what comes out about why Chorley resigned.

No time for Garner applying for other things while we were still in the play offs. Hope he sees the other side of loyalty in his career.

Fair point on Chorley. I'll withdraw my comment on him pending further information.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 18:53:40
I would rather have Naomi Campbell than Sol.


The only Sol I want is in a bottle chilled🍺


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 19:33:19
If Mason and Clem are both keen as suggested in this thread, then I'd be hopeful for that.

Taylor is the ultimate cheap choice.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 19:35:44
I donít think we will ever find out the real reasons behind Chorley resigning, and no I am not ITK - just donít think it will happen


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 19:42:11
Do we need to know only interested in Garners exit and how it came about!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 19:57:28
Don't want Taylor at all.

Actually thought he was pretty crap for us as a player. Then he was crap when he briefly took charge of the team after DF left and he's been crap at Walsall.

Found it a bit bizarre when the fan base fell in love with him. A few free kicks seemed to mask over the fact he was, largely, an absolute liability at left back.

 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 20:09:30
Did you see David Peach play😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 22:06:17
Mason has managed in a cup final and the Prem,so not entirely inexperienced. I'd be happy with him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, June 4, 2022, 22:50:18
Now it seems as though the cat is out of the bag regarding the departure of BG, maybe our Ďon holibobsí management team have been using their electronic devices to scout, scope out and secure the services of a competent and inexpensive manager to thrust us back to L1 at their first time of asking and our second time of trying by the end of this week?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 03:46:12
Gets weirder.

Sandgaardís wife has said on Twitter Garner is not their new manager



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 05:05:12
My guess she is just being pedantic and itís a 3 year deal


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 05:22:37
Why is she even commenting? Garner has gone to a right basket case club.

Looking at the wages involved - Ďonlyí £30,000 more than he got here - it seems to me that Clem made little or no effort to tempt him to stay. Sure, Charlton are a bigger club but theyíre not exactly stable in terms of how itís run.

Just wondering what the attraction really is. If he gets the boot early on, which is a distinct possibility, heís done, I reckon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 05:58:09
What's this "Charlton are a bigger club"? I remember their 5k gates at Upton Park.  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 06:56:36
Gets weirder.

Sandgaardís wife has said on Twitter Garner is not their new manager


Read again. She didn't actually say that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 06:58:03
Says he hasnít signed


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 07:09:07
Says he hasnít signed

I think its a case of just wait and see what happens from tomorrow onwards.

There are obviously complexities to the signing (or the Charlton ownership's relationship with the media) that we aren't fully aware of.

Grab the popcorn and see what happens next.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 07:22:42
Yeah, Iím sure it is a done deal. Very strange way to do business, though. Charlton fans think theyíll still get Jason Euell!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Freddies Ferret 2.0 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 07:49:41
I mean all this is keeping us busy over the summer period. Charlton sound like a proper basketcase club.
Im growing on the idea of Mason


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 07:55:08
Whilst I'm not convinced the trust are the ideal people to give out club information, they're a whole lot better than Clem's wife taking to Twitter!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 08:52:43
What's this "Charlton are a bigger club"? I remember their 5k gates at Upton Park.  :)

I remember our 2k gates at the CG, does that make us smaller than the piss stains.  ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 08:54:54
I remember our 2k gates at the CG, does that make us smaller than the piss stains.  ;)

Same here early 80's


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 09:36:24
Each of those brought a couple of players they knew - Digby, Watson, Moncur, Hazard, Doyle etc. But they also relied on their names to attract people.

Different times now. My money would be on the cheap option Taylor with a DoF noone has heard of
Who was Watson? Kevin Watson?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 09:37:55
Hmmm. Let's see what comes out about why Chorley resigned.

No time for Garner applying for other things while we were still in the play offs. Hope he sees the other side of loyalty in his career.
Agreed. Piss poor, if true.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 09:58:00
I am not happy that Garner applied before the play offs as that proves that no matter what he didn't want to be here, but, Charlton are a real fuck up of a basket case club and the way they have handled all of this beggars belief, missinformation and denial from them.

I am sure it is actually a done deal but Charlton have not handled themselves very well in all of this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:04:12
Charlton owner must be absolutely furious about the leak. Over a week ago now.

Has tried to cover it by saying they're still interviewing. Then his Wife says the reports of a 2 year deal are untrue.

They've lost complete control of the situation and in trying to appear more professional, have exceeded into turning it into a circus.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:06:18
Which makes it all the more intriguing why he was so desperate to leave and why Clem did very little, if anything, to persuade him to say.

Iím sure the club could have afforded the difference in pay Garner is getting. Maybe Clem was glad to get rid without having to sack him further on down the line.

It does sound as if Clem isnít quite as enamoured to the Ďprojectí as he initially was.

Thank fuck for that!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:10:23
This quote from Clem was quite damning for me:

ďItís even like when weíre playing football, sometimes we maybe need to change our tactics because we might be away on a Tuesday night and our method of playing football is not working. We maybe need to try something different to make it work.

ďWe play a certain football; other teams play a different football. Sometimes they work out how we play and we maybe need to be a bit more flexible, but the nucleus of the team is there.


That strikes me as a slight dig at Garner and is perhaps the reason he hasn't really stood in his way.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:13:21
Exactement! I reckon he jumped, knowing a push was coming. Garner would not change his philosophy and Clem looks like he was expecting him to.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:18:32
🔬


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:22:54
We donít know that he applied before the play offs, itís all hear say.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:25:52
I blame the journalist for spreading rumours before the clubs had concluded the deal😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:26:14
True .

the rumours he was interviewed the Saturday after our exit seen stronger though.

just rumours again, admittedly.

if they are true, that's not much time after playoffs to get to that point...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:30:26
Another thought:

What happens to the shortlist of players that BC and BG have been composing for the past 10 months?

It was pretty well documented we had started recruitment for next season a long time ago.

Is that now all a waste of time? I'd like to think not otherwise you're paying a DoF a full time wage to only be useful within a transfer window.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honkytonk on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:32:50
Another thought:

What happens to the shortlist of players that BC and BG have been composing for the past 10 months?

It was pretty well documented we had started recruitment for next season a long time ago.

Is that now all a waste of time? I'd like to think not otherwise you're paying a DoF a full time wage to only be useful within a transfer window.

They only wrote it on rice paper, with lemon juice invisible ink, and they've now eaten those pieces of paper so nobody else can find out who they were thinking about.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:33:50
Another thought:

What happens to the shortlist of players that BC and BG have been composing for the past 10 months?

It was pretty well documented we had started recruitment for next season a long time ago.

Is that now all a waste of time? I'd like to think not otherwise you're paying a DoF a full time wage to only be useful within a transfer window.

I think you may fine a number of players were lined up and may still sign, hopefully subject to new Coach/Managers approval.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:35:00
For all we know, Charlton could have approached Garner before the play offs, and he may have said, let me get these out the way and then we can have a chat?

No one knows if they approached him or if he applied for the job. We probably wonít ever know either.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:36:20
Canít imagine anyone is going to sign without knowing who the manager is.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:38:57
Maybe weíve already got a manager waiting in the wings and informed any prospective signings who it is.

Iím sure a Ďnameí could also swing the OOC players into signing up again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:41:08
Canít imagine anyone is going to sign without knowing who the manager is.
Jojo and Sweeney did last season which I found a little weird, and that ended up with Sweeney leaving as soon as the new manager arrived.

As for players identified, Les Caffery the Head Of Recruitment will have the list its not like Chorley or BG had exclusive rights to the scouting reports, Les found and identified many of the targets but Chorley did the face to face stuff with the players and arranging contracts etc but the targets are still there.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:49:15
to state the obvious the list is potentially only useful if the new man wants to play in the same style. You wouldn't want a flitcroft type with a garner squad

you'd think the new man was known and that this stuff is already being worked on. But until Garner actually officially guess there's not a lot that will happen externally


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 10:56:40
Dunno what the hold with Garner was but left when the article saying he was going to Charlton was first publish. He cleared out his office and the following morning and hasnít been near the CG since.

I imagine (and Iím guessing here) the lack of official announcement from Charlton limited what we could and couldnít say about our manager search but I have no doubt itís been going on since the first article about Garner going to Charlton was published.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 11:05:16
I suspect it was all going on behind the scenes then the holidays got in the way and the journalist made things awkward by leaking the story too early.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 11:22:36
Maybe weíve already got a manager waiting in the wings and informed any prospective signings who it is.

Iím sure a Ďnameí could also swing the OOC players into signing up again.

All possibly true. Though IMHO the new manager wonít be RM. yes, I know have not suggested it would be.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 11:31:35
Jojo and Sweeney did last season which I found a little weird, and that ended up with Sweeney leaving as soon as the new manager arrived.


I lose track, but wasnít McGreal manager then?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 11:33:41
I lose track, but wasnít McGreal manager then?
TBH I lose track too, I think one was signed when we had no manager but this is Swindon, weird stuff happens all the time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 11:34:44
Another twitter ITK reckons itíll be a name nobody has heard of.

Iím going for Alf Shuttlebotham


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 12:49:33
Iím sure Clem understands the importance of getting in the right man on and off the pitch. Wonít hit 6000 ST sales if fans perceive a lack of ambition with an unknown manager in charge.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:06:57
Iím sure Clem understands the importance of getting in the right man on and off the pitch. Wonít hit 6000 ST sales if fans perceive a lack of ambition with an unknown manager in charge.
We wont hit 6k either way


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:18:18
Charlton have released a statement denying reports that they are closing-in on a deal to appoint Swindon Town manager Ben Garner.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:21:42
Another twitter ITK reckons itíll be a name nobody has heard of.

Iím going for Alf Shuttlebotham

Iím not on twitter but I think that is spot on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:23:04
Charlton have released a statement denying reports that they are closing-in on a deal to appoint Swindon Town manager Ben Garner.


This is the statement:

ďPlease find below a club update on the managerial search for the men's first team.

In an effort to update our fans, while the club remains focused on finding the right manager we are still not at a point where a final decision has been made.

The club recognises that multiple stories are being shared on social media, despite not being confirmed and providing inaccurate information to fans. We acknowledge that while we are unable to control or respond to every opinion, inaccuracy, or false statement posted by media, fans or others, the club will communicate relevant details as soon as information is confirmed and can be released publicly.

Fans taking the information in these stories as factually correct, should be aware that nothing has been confirmed by the club.

Because of the nature of negotiations, the club are limited with how much detail can be communicated externally around a managerial search or indeed any transfer, as is usually the case with negotiations in any business, not just football.Ē


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:23:55
Iím sure Clem understands the importance of getting in the right man on and off the pitch. Wonít hit 6000 ST sales if fans perceive a lack of ambition with an unknown manager in charge.

Unknown manager wouldn't necessarily equal a lack of ambition.
But as you imply, it's about fan perception.
Initial reactions probably wouldn't be positive but first impressions have been wrong before.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: sir windon on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:30:42
Donít know much about these things but is it possible that itís all been so cloak and dagger since Garnerís potential exit was first mooted because Charlton have broken some rules in approaching him?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:31:13
I lose track, but wasnít McGreal manager then?

Maybe we'll get McGreal back for a month?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:31:47
This is the statement:

ďPlease find below a club update on the managerial search for the men's first team.

In an effort to update our fans, while the club remains focused on finding the right manager we are still not at a point where a final decision has been made.

The club recognises that multiple stories are being shared on social media, despite not being confirmed and providing inaccurate information to fans. We acknowledge that while we are unable to control or respond to every opinion, inaccuracy, or false statement posted by media, fans or others, the club will communicate relevant details as soon as information is confirmed and can be released publicly.

Fans taking the information in these stories as factually correct, should be aware that nothing has been confirmed by the club.

Because of the nature of negotiations, the club are limited with how much detail can be communicated externally around a managerial search or indeed any transfer, as is usually the case with negotiations in any business, not just football.Ē


They really are desperate to be seen as having an element of control of the situation. Almost like they arenít appointing him at this point just to get one over on the journalist. The terms are probably being changed as we speak!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:32:21
could be, or could be they are trying to avoid doing so.

it's the clumsiest manager announcement I can remember involving us


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:35:21
Regardless of what Charlton do now Garner wonít be at Swindon, he canít be.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:36:58
It's all a bit embarrassing now  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:38:32
Regardless of what Charlton do now Garner wonít be at Swindon, he canít be.

But if Charlton do pull the plug, Garner is still technically contracted to us. Weíd have to sack him no?

What a shit show


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:43:53
But if Charlton do pull the plug, Garner is still technically contracted to us. Weíd have to sack him no?

What a shit show

Iíd sack him or can you get rid based on him interviewing prior to compensation being agreed (if thatís correct)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:50:03
All seems very odd. Needs to be sorted ASAP but as others have said, can't imagine he'll be here next year - any bad run of form and the crowd will turn very quickly on him (if they hadn't already).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:51:04
sack him for what?

if he's not handed in his notice we'd presumably have to pay him compensation.

if he has, we'd have announced it.

we could stick him in gardening leave indefinitely but we'd still have to pay a new guy out the budget


what a mess. let's hope it's Charlton playing at being fucknuggets and end this tomorrow


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:51:10
All seems very odd. Needs to be sorted ASAP but as others have said, can't imagine he'll be here next year - any bad run of form and the crowd will turn very quickly on him (if they hadn't already).

I think Clemís words in the adver are a nail in that coffin as well like another person put


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:52:36
sack him for what?

if he's not handed in his notice we'd presumably have to pay him compensation.

if he has, we'd have announced it.

we could stick him in gardening leave indefinitely but we'd still have to pay a new guy out the budget


what a mess. let's hope it's Charlton playing at being fucknuggets and end this tomorrow


For being shit, he messed up this free hit season. With the team
We had we should have got autoís. Regardless of the Charlton link Iíve never been a fan, never sang his name & hope he goes.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:52:40
could Charlton be trying to get him for free, with us letting him go by 'mutual consent' in a bid to move on


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:55:43
could Charlton be trying to get him for free, with us letting him go by 'mutual consent' in a bid to move on

Could be but how can two separate media outlets confirm that itís done, surely no smoke without fire


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 13:59:30
just trying to make sense of it.

maybe sandgaard is just a massive prick who likes the drama. who knows


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 14:02:29
The adver just nowÖ

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20187673.ben-garner-agrees-two-year-contract-charlton-athletic-manager/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 14:16:44

For being shit, he messed up this free hit season. With the team
We had we should have got autoís. Regardless of the Charlton link Iíve never been a fan, never sang his name & hope he goes.

You're coming off as a bit of a scorned lover here. Might suggest your take is rather lacking in generosity as well. Maybe go and lie down in a darkened room for a bit.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RWB Robin on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 14:28:24
You're coming off as a bit of a scorned lover here. Might suggest your take is rather lacking in generosity as well. Maybe go and lie down in a darkened room for a bit.
Absolutely!! We are all entitled to opinions, but that seems to be from a parallel universe! Was last season perfect? By no means  was it better than anyone could have expected? Without doubt. Garner deserves recognition for his part in that -a pretty big part, I would say.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Whingy the poo on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 14:37:13
Statement from Charlton!  :hmmm:

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/629ca3a0917e4/club-update-mens-first-team-managerial-search


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 14:51:08
You're coming off as a bit of a scorned lover here. Might suggest your take is rather lacking in generosity as well. Maybe go and lie down in a darkened room for a bit.

Completely disagree but thanks for the feedback


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 15:45:26
Statement from Charlton!  :hmmm:

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/629ca3a0917e4/club-update-mens-first-team-managerial-search
It really is a shambles their end. You can understand maybe getting the wrong man announced, but getting his salary, what compensation is being paid and his 2 assistants going with him denied beggars belief.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 15:50:41
that's not an out and out denial though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 16:04:09
Theyíre denying Garner is their manager so, by association, also denying the reported compo and salary. Do they expect everyone to accept there is nothing in it. Itís ridiculous.

Does Garner really want to be associated with such a shambolic ownership?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 16:08:11
they've simply said not everything reported is true.

could be referring any bit of what's been reported.

it was a pointless statement tbh


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 16:15:00
Nope, definitely not a denial..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: blinkpip on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 17:38:41
If Garner stays now, he has to hit next season running or everyone will be on his head like Vultures  :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 18:00:16
If he were to stay, there needs to be one hell of an explanation of what has been going on.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 18:58:43
Garner has gone, slowdown is compensation on 2 Scots, let's hope it is sorted soon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 19:04:56
thanks for the update


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 19:11:54
So, does that mean weíre free to announce the new man - if we have one yet?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 19:18:08
Until we agree compensation nothing can be announced either side


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 19:31:44
I look forward to your update on tomorrows monday night panel, James  ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 19:54:32
Until we agree compensation nothing can be announced either side

Thanks for sharing

But if BGs gone canít we announce heís gone now? Two Scottís is a different compo package surely? I presume you saying BG gone means all compo been agreed for him.


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Sunday, June 5, 2022, 20:55:02
They really are desperate to be seen as having an element of control of the situation. Almost like they arenít appointing him at this point just to get one over on the journalist. The terms are probably being changed as we speak!
https://youtu.be/31HaTbWONmQ

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, June 6, 2022, 06:29:25
So, at what time can we expect a statement saying there will be no statement today?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, June 6, 2022, 06:33:44
So, at what time can we expect a statement saying there will be no statement today?
7pm on the Monday Night Panel (That's me guessing, based on what is written above)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 6, 2022, 06:43:06
Just seen Wellens was still saying how great Power was 6 weeks agoÖ..

Quote
ďWe were getting 13,000 at Swindon regularly. I had the club just where I wanted it to be, it was my baby. I loved it. Then at Salford, it was Ďletís just win this weekí, no plan about how we would try and win.

ďDid I enjoy working there? No. I have certain standards, certain disciplines I think need to be in place in a football club, things any manager will tell you they need. I didnít think they had them at Salford. When I was working in that kind of environment, I couldnít enjoy it.

ďI worked with a wonderful chairman, Lee Power, at Swindon. He let me run the football club, every decision was by me. It was all done with clarity and decisiveness. I was allowed to go with my gut.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/gary-neville-salford-city-no-plan-ex-manager-richie-wellens-1576494


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 6, 2022, 06:47:34
13,000 regularly? That was just the once v Exeter.

If he thinks Power was a wonderful chairman he can stay at Orient.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 07:30:37
is also at odds with the hints on last Mondays OSC.

or I misinterpreted the hints


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, June 6, 2022, 07:31:29
I think in manager terms, ďwonderfulĒ means ďdoesnít interfereĒ. He says he had the ability to get on with things his way. It does make me wonder for a second if the rumour of his return has legs, and part of the deal is that he doesnít want a DOF, as that would be an interference in his mind. Doubtful, but you never know.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:17:25
Been on holiday, away from the net for a week, not read back, has anything happened?  ;) :D

Seriously though, has he left or not, is he Judas or not etc etc?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:21:46
Been on holiday, away from the net for a week, not read back, has anything happened?  ;) :D
Seriously though, has he left or not, is he Judas or not etc etc?

Status as we know it is as per Jan's post on the last page.

Garner has gone, slowdown is compensation on 2 Scots, let's hope it is sorted soon.

Nothing has been conformed at all.

Charlton have released a non-statement and the owners wife has had a couple of posts on twitter that basically says "don't believe everthing you read"

Also check out a couple of articles on the Adver site re: budget (+40) and a couple of hints we are looking for a new manager in the background.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:22:51
According to James Spence, heís gone. The hold up now is agreeing compo for Marshall and Lindsay.

Brian Rix would have been proud of this one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:23:49
Been on holiday, away from the net for a week, not read back, has anything happened?  ;) :D

Seriously though, has he left or not, is he Judas or not etc etc?

Who knows as all in the know have gone quiet so it's just random gossip!
It's becoming a circus just like No 10😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:24:12
It does make me wonder for a second if the rumour of his return has legs

Except the interview was from back in April.

I guess this situation could have been known for that long but seems unlikely


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:24:54
Been on holiday, away from the net for a week, not read back, has anything happened?  ;) :D

Seriously though, has he left or not, is he Judas or not etc etc?

I'm the same, been avoiding this site for the most part.

I believe the latest is that it has been announced by press that Swindon and Charlton have sorted Compo and Garner has agreed to take a 2 year contract there. We are still in discussion over Compo for his 2 coaches who he wants to take with him and that seems to be the sticking point. Charlton released a flaky generic statement telling people not to believe stuff on social media but it appears that the official announcement is likely in a couple of days.

As for the Judas stuff, that's for you to make up your own mind!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:34:50
I understand that they want to give us £100k for Garner but they are willing to pay £200k if we take Davison in px :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:46:40
I'm the same, been avoiding this site for the most part.


 :D

I had dipped in via Tapatalk occasionally on my blower, but that seems to piss around with the order that posts appear, and with the TEF in full pearl clutching meltdown at times, it was nigh impossible to follow what, if anything, was actually happening.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:48:21
13,000 regularly? That was just the once v Exeter.

If he thinks Power was a wonderful chairman he can stay at Orient.

You mean heís telling porkies to the media, thereís a surprise.

For those who give him a free pass because he was working under Power, just remember he thought he was a wonderful chairman


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:51:09
I'll probably get shot down here but the setup we had with Power, Jewell and Wellens did in fact work fine in the league 2 season. Easy to see why Wellens was happy. He was backed with Doyle, Yates and a healthy budget. Had control of the club, engaged with the community and was largely untouchable for a while. What's not to be happy about?

Obviously in hindsight we all know it was Powers last ditch attempt to reach League One and flog the club. The plan worked perfectly but unfortunately for him, Covid struck and the gamble backfired. Then a lot of dodgy stuff started to become public and the rest is history.





Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:52:42
I'll probably get shot down here but the setup we had with Power, Jewell and Wellens did in fact work fine in the league 2 season. Easy to see why Wellens was happy. He was backed with Doyle, Yates and a healthy budget. Had control of the club, engaged with the community and was largely untouchable for a while. What's not to be happy about?

Obviously in hindsight we all know it was Powers last ditch attempt to reach League One and flog the club. The plan worked perfectly but unfortunately for him, Covid struck and the gamble backfired. Then a lot of dodgy stuff started to become public and the rest is history.




Think you are spot on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:53:13
You mean heís telling porkies to the media, thereís a surprise.

For those who give him a free pass because he was working under Power, just remember he thought he was a wonderful chairman
Very much so, if Power was such a wonderful chairman and Swindon such a good club then why did he up and leave at the first opportunity?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, June 6, 2022, 08:59:31
I think Pericardinho summed it up pretty well....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:03:27
There are still Charlton fans that think the 2 Scotts wonít join. They already have 3 on the coaching staff so that would mean paying them off as well as compo for the 2 incoming. Still reckon Euell will get the job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:05:33
 If we are in general agreement that Mason would be welcome, how long do you think he will wait whilst this is sorted out?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:08:01
Very much so, if Power was such a wonderful chairman and Swindon such a good club then why did he up and leave at the first opportunity?
Was just about to post the same thing.An obvious but pertinent question


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:14:34
Very much so, if Power was such a wonderful chairman and Swindon such a good club then why did he up and leave at the first opportunity?

Maybe him and Lethal Lee had a cunning plan to split the compo from Salford.  :sherlock:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:25:21
There is a thought


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimpanzee on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:43:53
Fans clambering for Wellens, need to be careful what they wish for...minus us his record isn't great and he jumped at the first sign of trouble. If he leaves Orient after a few months, then why wouldn't he do the same to us when a better offer comes along?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 09:46:27
Why would he jump?
Why would we be after him knowing presumably significant compo would be needed.

I'm ignoring Wellens based on the above!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:18:38
With all his comments, and support of Power I fail to believe he wasnít complicit in what was going on and happy to go along with it as long as he was getting the financial backing to enhance his CV. Did he really care about the club? Nah he just was good at saying what people wanted to hear.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:24:14
Very much so, if Power was such a wonderful chairman and Swindon such a good club then why did he up and leave at the first opportunity?

Very much this. We need to move forwards, not backwards.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:26:45
If we are in general agreement that Mason would be welcome, how long do you think he will wait whilst this is sorted out?

I'm sure whoever the new manager is going to be has been identified and agreed and just waiting to sign officially once Garner's position is clear, he is probably working in the back ground on staff and players etc.

I bet Clem hoped to have this all sewn up before he flew back to Oz this week...little did he know how poor the Charlton ownership is


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:28:33
With all his comments, and support of Power I fail to believe he wasnít complicit in what was going on and happy to go along with it as long as he was getting the financial backing to enhance his CV. Did he really care about the club? Nah he just was good at saying what people wanted to hear.

A manager generally worries about what is happening on the pitch and if he is being backed to sign the players he wanted etc which he was...until Covid put a spanner in the works and killed his big budget


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:32:56
I'm sure whoever the new manager is going to be has been identified and agreed and just waiting to sign officially once Garner's position is clear, he is probably working in the back ground on staff and players etc.

I bet Clem hoped to have this all sewn up before he flew back to Oz this week...little did he know how poor the Charlton ownership is
Going back on the 17th now so think he has worked out what a clusterfuck it all is


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 11:54:25
when are they back in for preseason training?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:00:02
Its usually 6 weeks of preseason, so maybe 20th June. Could be later given the short preseason.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:04:53
sounds about right if first friendly is July 2nd


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:09:44
:D

I had dipped in via Tapatalk occasionally on my blower, but that seems to piss around with the order that posts appear, and with the TEF in full pearl clutching meltdown at times, it was nigh impossible to follow what, if anything, was actually happening.
Yeah this is a real pain in the arse but if you back out of the thread and come back in it does reorganise it, although it's a bit of a pain if there are a lot of new posts to catch up on.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:47:06
Very much so, if Power was such a wonderful chairman and Swindon such a good club then why did he up and leave at the first opportunity?

because swindon was wellens only success. so he needs to say when given an opportunity to do everything he wants on his own it works. and then he has an excuse for every time it fails


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:55:41
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/town-announce-sandro-di-michele-as-new-technical-director/

Quote
Swindon Town Football Club are delighted to announce the appointment of Sandro Di Michele as the clubís new Technical Director. Di Michele joins the club having previously worked as a consultant for EFL and National League clubs.

In his last role, Di Michele was Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic playing a key role in the clubís recruitment ahead of them going on to be crowned League One Champions in April.

In his new role, Di Michele will oversee all football operations including recruitment, medical, analysis, the academy and will work closely with The Head Coach and Chief Executive Officer Rob Angus.




ďFollowing a diligent and thorough recruitment process it became very clear that Sandro was the standout candidate for the roleĒ said Chief Executive Officer Rob Angus.

ďSandro has a very successful track record in data driven recruitment at a number of clubs. His philosophy and understanding of the game is completely aligned with the culture of Swindon Town Football Club and he will play an integral role in bringing success to The County Ground.Ē

Angus went on to say: ďWe are thrilled to have him on board at what is a very exciting time for the football club. Sandro will be heavily focused on a very busy transfer window for Swindon Town.Ē

Di Michele said: ďI am incredibly honoured and excited to accept this opportunity at Swindon Town. To be involved with a club that has such a rich history and an incredible fan base was an opportunity I absolutely could not let pass me by,Ē said Di Michele.

He added: ďWhen I met with Chairman Clem Morfuni and CEO Rob Angus I was blown away by the philosophy and culture at the club. When I see what they have both achieved in a short period of time I knew this was a project I had to be part of.

ďI cannot wait to get started!Ē

Swindon Town are incredibly excited to have Sandro Di Michele on board and we wish him the very best of luck during his time with us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:58:00
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/town-announce-sandro-di-michele-as-new-technical-director/


Swindon Town Football Club are delighted to announce the appointment of Sandro Di Michele as the clubís new Technical Director. Di Michele joins the club having previously worked as a consultant for EFL and National League clubs.

In his last role, Di Michele was Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic playing a key role in the clubís recruitment ahead of them going on to be crowned League One Champions in April.

In his new role, Di Michele will oversee all football operations including recruitment, medical, analysis, the academy and will work closely with The Head Coach and Chief Executive Officer Rob Angus.

As opposed to manager?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:58:07
Sounds like a very positive step.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Monday, June 6, 2022, 12:58:55
Sounds like he knows the lower leagues.....was this also the reason Chorley left, someone coming in above him?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:00:13
The new Ben Chorley then..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:00:18
Moneyball (data driven recruitment)?

Not a criticism.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:03:11
The new Ben Chorley then..

That's my reading of it... Looks pretty decent appointment as well, almost like they do have a plan and structure to deal with things.

EDit - Previously head of PR and Head of Football at Sky Bet and Coral before that

From LinkedIn 'I am an accomplished, ambitious and entrepreneurial football recruitment specialist, who has accumulated a portfolio of achievements in this field through my previous role as Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic FC and my own company Santoni Sports.

I Possess a wealth of experience in managing recruitment projects for leading EFL and Scottish Premiership clubs. I utilise expertise within data analysis and team performance metrics to enhance the talent identification process.

I possess a proven track record in unearthing cost-effective playing talent, who have progressed to add value to team performance and can generate significant transfer revenue in future sales, highly accomplished in scouting and analysis.'


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: china red on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:05:38
CV on LinkedIn, was only at Wigan for 6 months, seems to have worked for gambling companies prior to that


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:05:40
Moneyball (data driven recruitment)?

Not a criticism.

I like it - you can't always rely on contacts in the game to get the players in you want (although admittedly sometimes it helps as Chorley/Garner showed)  This also sets us up to recruit using a system rather than being reliant on having a specific person in the role, which should mean there is more continuity if people go for personal reasons.

When I first saw the picture, I thought Shrivvy Road was adding a role to his travel resume..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:06:07
Moneyball (data driven recruitment)?

Not a criticism.
100 % Moneyball


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: doomster on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:06:24
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/sandrodimichele

Not much experience seems more the type who might pick a winner at Ascot.

We shall see though hopefully he learned a lot at Wigan during his brief spell with them.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:07:17
100 % Moneyball

Following the Brentford model, that went ok

Are you sure that is not you under an alias?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bewster on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:07:46
Brother of Vicki ??


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:09:02
Gotta think the new manager/head coach has been picked already and happy to work with him then, otherwise we're limiting our options.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:10:23
Quote from: Bewster
Brother of Vicki ??

oooooooohhhh breewsteeeer


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:10:43
His name sounds cool so ultimately it must be a good appointment.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:11:52
Is this in addition to the guy that's been on Twitter talking about our recruitment? Would be interested to see an org chart!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:12:18
Following the Brentford model, that went ok

Are you sure that is not you under an alias?
:eek: :eek:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:13:29
As opposed to manager?

We still have a manger don't we, on paper at least?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:14:10
We still have a manger don't we, on paper at least?

We still have a Head Coach (at time of typing)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:15:06
:eek: :eek:

Jobs for the boys, got your twin a job at the first opportunity


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:17:04
Jobs for the boys, got your twin a job at the first opportunity
Can't even get myself a job


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:17:31
Pleased with this!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:18:28
Can't even get myself a job

:D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RWB Robin on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:23:34
Look forward to a bit more information about his experience. LinkedIn CV a bit bare, and company website lacking in any detail.....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:24:29
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/town-announce-sandro-di-michele-as-new-technical-director/


Positive appointment. Pretty forward thinking from the club in my eyes as well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:26:46
That's my reading of it... Looks pretty decent appointment as well, almost like they do have a plan and structure to deal with things.

EDit - Previously head of PR and Head of Football at Sky Bet and Coral before that

From LinkedIn 'I am an accomplished, ambitious and entrepreneurial football recruitment specialist, who has accumulated a portfolio of achievements in this field through my previous role as Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic FC and my own company Santoni Sports.

I Possess a wealth of experience in managing recruitment projects for leading EFL and Scottish Premiership clubs. I utilise expertise within data analysis and team performance metrics to enhance the talent identification process.

I possess a proven track record in unearthing cost-effective playing talent, who have progressed to add value to team performance and can generate significant transfer revenue in future sales, highly accomplished in scouting and analysis.'


Just remember when talking about ex always injured youth teamer Kurt Hammonds and what he went onto after football - his LinkedIn stated he had whilst at STFC been a League One footballer.

Which was a slight exaggeration.

As has just been said. Intrigued to hear from the man himself about what he does and what he did fpt Wigan in 6 months


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:27:37
Positive appointment. Pretty forward thinking from the club in my eyes as well.

Working with the head coach, so the club must have someone in mind...?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:28:27
I like the money ball approach, but I think it does hinge on a coaching team that can refine the rough diamonds i.e. McKirdy this season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:30:23
Just remember when talking about ex always injured youth teamer Kurt Hammonds and what he went onto after football - his LinkedIn stated he had whilst at STFC been a League One footballer.

Which was a slight exaggeration.

As has just been said. Intrigued to hear from the man himself about what he does and what he did fpt Wigan in 6 months

Spent the day with Kurt last week funnily enough, poor lad can barely walk now without any pain. Done ACL in both knees. Still trying to play a bit of football but only manages a half before the pain takes over.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:34:06
Spent the day with Kurt last week funnily enough, poor lad can barely walk now without any pain. Done ACL in both knees. Still trying to play a bit of football but only manages a half before the pain takes over.

Said this before so apologies in advance for the repetition.

Never met or spoken to Kurt but due to my job(s) and/or shift patterns I watched a fair few youth games between about 05-09.

Kurt always seemed injured but every time I saw him hobbling about I swear his upper body was bigger. Like because of his various injuries (knees and legs I guess) he just spent all the time he couldnít train doing upper body work on the gym.

Was convinced he was gonna be a body builder and/or a popular Ďskip leg dayí meme.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: stfctownenda on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:34:32
CV on LinkedIn, was only at Wigan for 6 months, seems to have worked for gambling companies prior to that

I'd say he has more experience than just Wigan, he has listed his most recent company which provides recruitment advice to football clubs for 3 and half years and if you look at his About section on LinkedIn he says alongside leading EFL clubs he also talks about working with Scottish prem clubs as well, the about section is enclosed below:                                      
                                                                                                                                                      
I am an accomplished, ambitious and entrepreneurial football recruitment specialist, who has accumulated a portfolio of achievements in this field through my previous role as Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic FC and my own company Santoni Sports.

I Possess a wealth of experience in managing recruitment projects for leading EFL and Scottish Premiership clubs. I utilise expertise within data analysis and team performance metrics to enhance the talent identification process.

I possess a proven track record in unearthing cost-effective playing talent, who have progressed to add value to team performance and can generate significant transfer revenue in future sales, highly accomplished in scouting and analysis.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:36:44
I'd say he has more experience than just Wigan, he has listed his most recent company which provides recruitment advice to football clubs for 3 and half years and if you look at his about clubs he talks about working with Scottish prem clubs as well, the about section is enclosed below:                                      
                                                                                                                                                      
I am an accomplished, ambitious and entrepreneurial football recruitment specialist, who has accumulated a portfolio of achievements in this field through my previous role as Head Recruitment Analyst at Wigan Athletic FC and my own company Santoni Sports.

I Possess a wealth of experience in managing recruitment projects for leading EFL and Scottish Premiership clubs. I utilise expertise within data analysis and team performance metrics to enhance the talent identification process.

I possess a proven track record in unearthing cost-effective playing talent, who have progressed to add value to team performance and can generate significant transfer revenue in future sales, highly accomplished in scouting and analysis.

I got the impression from his CV that he goes into a club sets up Ďthe systemí then moves on.

His betting background would indicate he knows how create/use a system to analyse numbers but not sure how much applied football knowledge he has (if that makes sense) like he can give us system that can identify players but he canít vouch as to how good they actually are (again if that makes sense)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:38:54
Glad the jigsaw is being pieced together. Whether itís betting or his previous role at Santoni (assuming that now ends as it would provide a conflict of interest, you would think?) he is clearly driven by data, which Iím a big fan ofÖ itís the norm now. No more old fashioned ďI saw the striker for 5 minutes and decided Iíd have himĒ (Andy Kingís approach to signing Eric Sabin!).

And by a coincidental twist of fate, Santoni Sports (now dissolved, it seems, as of 2020) had a registered office on ďOld Chorley RoadĒ in Bolton. Very apt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:39:55
Said this before so apologies in advance for the repetition.

Never met or spoken to Kurt but due to my job(s) and/or shift patterns I watched a fair few youth games between about 05-09.

Kurt always seemed injured but every time I saw him hobbling about I swear his upper body was bigger. Like because of his various injuries (knees and legs I guess) he just spent all the time he couldnít train doing upper body work on the gym.

Was convinced he was gonna be a body builder and/or a popular Ďskip leg dayí meme.

We have a mutual friend, and even when I met him at 14/15 years old he was always twice the size of us. But as you said, always injured and therefore his upper body just got bigger and bigger and his legs didnít!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:51:21
First thoughts are it is a strange appointment for a football club but perhaps marrying the necessities of running the background aspects makes sense with just one person in charge and is the way to go. As usual, only time will tell on our continuous roller coaster ride.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:52:23
Working with the head coach, so the club must have someone in mind...?

I'm reasonably confident the club have already done the work behind the scenes to get the new manager/coaching staff employed.

Pure speculation on my part, but I would think that Morfuni/Angus are probably not impressed with Charlton over how long it's taken to sort the Garner issue out. Less patient owners might have already  put out statements on their websites and it's to their credit that they are working professionally with Charlton (who are beginning to take the piss I reckon)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:57:42
Won't be convinced until he puts a tenner on us to win the League


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, June 6, 2022, 13:59:00
This might also point towards the reason Chorley left, perhaps he left before he was pushed.  Clem/Angus have mentioned the Brentford model before and are obvious admirers, so perhaps this is the way they intended to go all along, but Chorley jumped their gun as far as timing..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BenTheRed on Monday, June 6, 2022, 14:06:38
The moneyball strategy sounds good to me, but a note of caution,  if it was easy and risk free to  successfully implement then everyone would be doing it.

I also get the feeling we could have a new manager (head coach) announcement soon after CA announce BG


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, June 6, 2022, 14:11:52
I'm leaning more and more towards the fact the 2 ben's were employed to see us tick over. They exceeded expectations but ultimately Clem wasn't particularly arsed they've gone. If anything it might've accelerated the plan he actually wanted to implement.

I could be completely wrong though. Just an interesting take.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, June 6, 2022, 14:14:04
I'll let you know if I like moneyball after it works or fails!

perhaps now is the time of all the Football Manager/FUT experts


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, June 6, 2022, 14:19:08
There is definitely some merit to studying statistics and recruiting accordingly, but I'm not sure I'd like to be married to it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 6, 2022, 14:19:43
That knocks replacing Garner with a manager. Strange, as Clem seemed to poo poo that idea. Maybe he was just poo pooing Garnerís one dimensional approach. If we are looking to recruit young players with a view to selling them on for a large wedge, it would be difficult to identify them through stats as, by their very nature, they wouldnít have much in the way of stats.

Still, this obviously has been in the offing for a while and just needs backing up with a head coach we can identify with.

Thereís no free hit this season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, June 6, 2022, 14:59:30
From the local Wigan rag

ĎSandro Di Michele was involved in last summer's recruitment drive at the DW, which saw Latics assemble a virtual brand new squad which finished top of League One.í


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, June 6, 2022, 15:11:22
Sounds like a good appointment. Personally I'm a big fan of using data driven analytics in sport. It's not sport in it's purest form, but it's how you win games and trophies.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, June 6, 2022, 16:02:33
Stats are obviously a big thing and itís right that we are seemingly embracing the tech and data. However it still needs to be combined with traditional methods as weíve all seen how misleading stats like xG and what not can be so hope it doesnít come in to the detriment of our scouting network.

Similarly need to be wary of stat padders, a centre back could pass in a triangle between a fellow centre back and a centre midfielder and look like the ultimate ball playing centre back or conversely a team might have brick shithouse up front who wins every aimless punt in the air and would make it seem like the centre back has the passing range of De Bruyne.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Monday, June 6, 2022, 16:08:56
Stats are obviously a big thing and itís right that we are seemingly embracing the tech and data. However it still needs to be combined with traditional methods as weíve all seen how misleading stats like xG and what not can be so hope it doesnít come in to the detriment of our scouting network.

Similarly need to be wary of stat padders, a centre back could pass in a triangle between a fellow centre back and a centre midfielder and look like the ultimate ball playing centre back or conversely a team might have brick shithouse up front who wins every aimless punt in the air and would make it seem like the centre back has the passing range of De Bruyne.

Sounds like a defender I knowÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Monday, June 6, 2022, 16:23:49
Iíd like to think the data is just what qualifies a player to make the shortlist. Then selected players are probably scouted and analysed from then on.

Anyhow, it beats what our model appears to have been for the last 6 years:

Has the player played for Swindon Town before? > is he available? > sign him up


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, June 6, 2022, 16:26:51
Glad the jigsaw is being pieced together. Whether itís betting or his previous role at Santoni (assuming that now ends as it would provide a conflict of interest, you would think?) he is clearly driven by data, which Iím a big fan ofÖ itís the norm now. No more old fashioned ďI saw the striker for 5 minutes and decided Iíd have himĒ (Andy Kingís approach to signing Eric Sabin!).

And by a coincidental twist of fate, Santoni Sports (now dissolved, it seems, as of 2020) had a registered office on ďOld Chorley RoadĒ in Bolton. Very apt.

You couldnít knock Kingyís eye for bringing in talent on a relatively low budget.
Brought in some cracking players.
Loved Kingy and became a friend and shared a few beers with him. Old school Manager though without doubt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, June 6, 2022, 16:27:51
From the local Wigan rag

ĎSandro Di Michele was involved in last summer's recruitment drive at the DW, which saw Latics assemble a virtual brand new squad which finished top of League One.í

Canít knock that reference.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 6, 2022, 16:40:19
Canít knock that reference.

One thing climbing to the top, harder staying there and maintaining that position. Sounds good and obviously part of a bigger jigsaw puzzle. Iím getting the feeling this has been in the pipeline for sometime and that RA & CM knew BG was going to go along with BC either under their own steam or manoeuvred into a position of Ďuntenableí employment.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Monday, June 6, 2022, 17:48:02
So instead of a statement saying that there would be no statement today, we had a statement announcing an appointment that may, or may not, be good for the club. Indeed a statement of intent.

Will our next non statement, statement day be as intriguing?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 6, 2022, 18:42:24
perhaps now is the time of all the Football Manager/FUT experts

Finally.

My time has come.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, June 6, 2022, 19:57:59
One thing climbing to the top, harder staying there and maintaining that position. Sounds good and obviously part of a bigger jigsaw puzzle. Iím getting the feeling this has been in the pipeline for sometime and that RA & CM knew BG was going to go along with BC either under their own steam or manoeuvred into a position of Ďuntenableí employment.

Thought that BC was going before BG.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, June 6, 2022, 20:02:27
Thought that BC was going before BG.

Semantics. 😉


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Monday, June 6, 2022, 20:31:43
One thing climbing to the top, harder staying there and maintaining that position. Sounds good and obviously part of a bigger jigsaw puzzle. Iím getting the feeling this has been in the pipeline for sometime and that RA & CM knew BG was going to go along with BC either under their own steam or manoeuvred into a position of Ďuntenableí employment.

What the Fucking hell are you talking about? Mumsnet


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 09:43:28
I am a big fan of the moneyball method as they call it.

I have studied analytics in football and love stats and figures and always have, as most on here know I am a data nerd.

Would love to on board with this plan phyically hands on, it is the way forward certainly for smaller clubs looking to make a mark and further themselves and their players, buy cheap underperforming players and sell for big money and get players who can play in a position or style and fill the piece in the jigsaw to compliment the style.

As with all of it though its how its implimented on the pitch thats key and they will need a manager who understand this and impliments it to compliment the style. Its a whole way of thinking on and off the pitch, utilising players strenghts and playing to them and not thier weaknesses.

McKirdy is a perfect example of an underperforming player with a high xg but low actual goal tally that has never produced the goods previously despite creating many chances, but play him in a formation to suit his style then hopefully the goals will come, which they have with Harry. The players must also be onboard with the coaching.

One of footballs great thinkers like Jonathan Woodgate or Dave Hockaday need not apply! :D

One club well known for using Moneyball strategy (as well as Liverpool and Brentford) is Aston Villa, a club who recently got rid of their U23/academy manager who is well versed in the strategy, Mark Delaney, is this purely a coincidence? a man also quite close mates with Gareth Barry.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 09:59:23
Rasmus Ankersen, the data-driven Danish guy behind the overachievement of Mydjylland and Brentford, was the guest speaker at my company's sales conference this year. He explained how really deep analysis helped smaller David clubs compete against their Goliath competitors by outthinking them in every aspect of the running of the club, from diet to recruitment to formation, by taking subjectivity out of the equation and incorporating Dave Brailsford's marginal gains approach so that no potential performance improvement was too minor to be analysed.

His conclusion was that all this data plus desire - being hungrier because you didn't have an established model or formula for success to defend - were the key components that helped the clubs he built up to box above their weight.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718752-brentfords-moneyball-way-to-beat-football-teams-with-huge-budgets


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:14:37
For a team in the 4th tier of English football this is a huge undertaking and very forward thinking.

It sounds impressive.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:17:14
The data recruitment side of twitter are speaking very highly of the appointment, some of whom have worked with Sandro before. Some really trusted voices out there bigging it up which is a great positive.

Some Wigan fan has mentioned that Sandro's analysis company has a big input to the Football Manager database, which is another positive considering how accurate that database has been alluded to over the years.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:21:47
How does this fella fit in with Les Cafery and Russell, who both appear to be of a somewhat similar background


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:35:12
Are we all now assuming that Clem was lining up SDM for a role at the club and that has prompted the BC resignation, which has influenced BG to consider other offers?

That feels like a more rational chronology to me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: digby on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:36:16
Who's the best betting site to go with for a flutter on the new coach ?

I usually use Bet365 for my footie bets, but they don't seem to be doing it !


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:37:45
Only odds Iíve seen are on BetVictor.

We technically still have a manager - although Charlton, who do not, arenít quoted either.

Paul Caddis and Gianfranco Zola have both appeared at 8/1  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:40:11
Are we all now assuming that Clem was lining up SDM for a role at the club and that has prompted the BC resignation, which has influenced BG to consider other offers?

That feels like a more rational chronology to me.

I understand Chorley told Clem of his resignation some weeks ago (and other people here have mentioned this), but the club only announced it at the end of the season. No need to destablisie the run in. They have been looking for a replacement since and have just announced who that is, all be it in what looks like a wider role to me. BG unrelated i think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: digby on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 10:54:27
Who's the best betting site to go with for a flutter on the new coach ?

I usually use Bet365 for my footie bets, but they don't seem to be doing it !

Cheers, Just signed up and put a fiver on Delaney at 10:1

No ITK, just a bit of fun, and he seems to fit the bill !   :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:02:22
Who's the best betting site to go with for a flutter on the new coach ?

I usually use Bet365 for my footie bets, but they don't seem to be doing it !

Ask Jimmy, he seems to be ITK given his recent postings regarding odds. 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:07:38
I understand Chorley told Clem of his resignation some weeks ago (and other people here have mentioned this), but the club only announced it at the end of the season. No need to destablisie the run in. They have been looking for a replacement since and have just announced who that is, all be it in what looks like a wider role to me. BG unrelated i think.

Do you think he had to give a months notice hence the resignation weeks ago? Clearly announcing it during the play-off campaign would be far from sensible but the timeline with announcing Di Michele makes sense to what you are saying.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:08:03
Zola showing at 10/1 Caddis 8/1😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:12:56
I assume the Zola link is just because the new Technical Director is Italian/has an Italian name? I'm sure we'll see PDC in the betting before long! :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:14:31
It's fun to watch!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:21:30
I can't believe its Tuesday lunch time and those cunts in charge of Charlton haven't got this sewn up yet. Absolute circus.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:21:34
What the Fucking hell are you talking about? Mumsnet

What the fucking hell is mumsnet? You obviously know a lot about itÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:33:12
https://intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/26755/garner-next-charlton-manager-page?page=32

From the Charlton board, Raj Patel, if he is indeed ITK seems to suggest they aren't going to appoint Garner, but I'm very much reading between the lines of some random fella on a forum to take it with a massive sack full of salt.

Edit - for the Charlton fans who have spotted my post, these posts where why I read it that maybe you aren't going to appoint Garner -

CafcJack said: We all know what's coming and it will prove how this club is run like a circus act
rajpatel said : I don't think you do.....

Which suggests to me that Charlton aren't going to do what every one else thinks they do. Either way, hopefully it'll be resolved soon, i'm sure both sets of fans are pretty bored of this all now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:34:22
The gossip was that Delaney was going to QPR - not sure how true that is though, as with everything else with this long running saga


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:35:18
According to Charlton Life Sandegaard is in da building today!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:37:26
Only odds Iíve seen are on BetVictor.

We technically still have a manager - although Charlton, who do not, arenít quoted either.

Paul Caddis and Gianfranco Zola have both appeared at 8/1  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

I don't do much if any betting so unsure what the rules are whether ethically or legally.
What is to stop a betting chain from just putting names into the ring to encourage punters. To change the odds or even place names has there got to be some money change hands or can they manipulate the market?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:47:59
Having watched the Monday night club i was interested, and possibly reading too much into James' comments on the Matt Taylor situation. Knowing that Exeter have a smaller budget than us, and that he is on a low wage. I guess thats readily available info, but perhaps he is not as crazy an option as everyone thinks.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:16:25
Interesting to see that Cheltenham's Duff has been given permission to talk to 2 championship clubs but Cheltenham announced they have given permission but want him to stay but want it dealt with quickly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61713342

It still baffles me why Clem never released a statement saying Garner had been given permission to talk to a L1 club after an approach was made.

I suppose we will get told one day.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:29:24
Interesting to see that Cheltenham's Duff has been given permission to talk to 2 championship clubs but Cheltenham announced they have given permission but want him to stay but want it dealt with quickly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61713342

It still baffles me why Clem never released a statement saying Garner had been given permission to talk to a L1 club after an approach was made.

I suppose we will get told one day.



Nixon said that their owner does things "his own way". I think maybe part of some deal was that we don't say anything until it's done.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:32:56
According to Charlton Life Sandegaard is in da building today!

it would be good to put some of this uncertainty behind us. I think we all know Garner is 99% gone to Charlton but it just feels like we have to put our business on hold while they faff about like old women looking for change in their purses at a supermarket checkout.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crispy on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:36:12
I don't do much if any betting so unsure what the rules are whether ethically or legally.
What is to stop a betting chain from just putting names into the ring to encourage punters. To change the odds or even place names has there got to be some money change hands or can they manipulate the market?

Absolutely nothing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:39:09
Absolutely nothing.

Indeed, the fact is we haven't even officially announced our manager is leaving, so for them to open a book on our next manager either shows they are ITK, or just go off of newpaper musings?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:44:35
Iím struggling to think what benefit the Charlton owner is getting from keeping this hanging in the air. Who gives a shit if heís physically in the country or not. If Garner was expected to be named manager, but not yet signed, why did he fuck off on holiday? Itís totally weird all round.

Itís like having a giant piece of shit stuck to your shoe and you canít shake it off.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:51:15
Interesting to see that Cheltenham's Duff has been given permission to talk to 2 championship clubs but Cheltenham announced they have given permission but want him to stay but want it dealt with quickly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61713342

It still baffles me why Clem never released a statement saying Garner had been given permission to talk to a L1 club after an approach was made.

I suppose we will get told one day.


Well its possible this was instigated by Garner and not Charlton. A true statement is never getting released for that, and anything else is either a lie or at best obfuscation.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:07:05
Day 63 of schrodinger's Garner, and the natives are growing weary. Well I bloody well am anyway.

it would be good to put some of this uncertainty behind us. I think we all know Garner is 99% gone to Charlton but it just feels like we have to put our business on hold while they faff about like old women looking for change in their purses at a supermarket checkout.

In reality though its probably not made much difference - assuming we have a new man lined up.

Also, agest. It not just old women that do that. Its most women. Like its some kind of shock after queueing for 10 minutes that, at the end of scanning, they have to look into their now TARDIS handbag for a payment method.  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:08:02
Its now June 2026 and Ben Garner finally agrees to become the new manager at Charlton Athletic, now they just need to confirm the compensation amount.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:09:00
There's a break in the space time continuem


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:10:26

In reality though its probably not made much difference - assuming we have a new man lined up.

Agreed. Same as last summer. Chorley and Clem had Garner lined up, and had their targets mapped out. They may have lost some, or things may change, but they were definately ready for the moment they could start doing things officially.

I hope the new man is lined up and they are in a similar situation for this season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:15:10
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1h
Swindon playing hard ball on compo for coaching staff but clubs not to far apart and with TS now in the country should get sorted next 48 hours and announced then Ö
Didn't Clem or someone at the club suggest comp had been sorted now?

Its all a bit of a mess TBH.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:15:17
Day 63 of schrodinger's Garner, and the natives are growing weary. Well I bloody well am anyway.

In reality though its probably not made much difference - assuming we have a new man lined up.

Also, agest. It not just old women that do that. Its most women. Like its some kind of shock after queueing for 10 minutes that, at the end of scanning, they have to look into their now TARDIS handbag for a payment method. 


Is it worst to be ageist or a mysogonist these days? I initially just had it as an old person but changed it to try and avoid any insult on here! :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:18:13
Is Chorley off to Charlton too? My understanding was that the two leaving were unrelated and Chorley had offered his resignation towards the end of the season.

This is really getting all a bit tedious now. I've nothing against Charlton, know some of their fans and they're good people, but this is really making me dislike them a bit. I remember listening to their owner on TalkSport when he was trying to take over and thinking he sounds like a bit of a headcase. Hope he hurries the fuck up so we can get on with our season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:18:47
Didn't Clem or someone at the club suggest comp had been sorted now?

Its all a bit of a mess TBH.

It was said comp was sorted for Garner, but not for the two Scotts. But as the comments suggests, i can't believe its big numbers and going to stop anything.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:27:11
If we're getting £150k compo for Garner how much do we think we're getting for the coaching staff? Another £50k to £60k?

I can understand Clem holding out for the better compo. As frustrating as it is, it's only Charlton looking more and more unprofessional as it drags on and we have a new manager/head coach to search for anyway.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:27:56
This is really getting all a bit tedious now. I've nothing against Charlton, know some of their fans and they're good people, but this is really making me dislike them a bit. I remember listening to their owner on TalkSport when he was trying to take over and thinking he sounds like a bit of a headcase. Hope he hurries the fuck up so we can get on with our season.
Yeah I know a few Charlton fans and they are decent, but this is a joke, it doesn't reflect on the club itself as much as on their owners.

As stated above the fee surely can't be that big, after all they paid us near £1m for DJ only 18 months ago and apparently were paying Jackson £400k per year if you believe their forum, so I doubt the whole compo package would be more than at most £250k.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crispy on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:35:45
Indeed, the fact is we haven't even officially announced our manager is leaving, so for them to open a book on our next manager either shows they are ITK, or just go off of newpaper musings?

They'll be betting the rumors', the traders marking it up will have absolutely no idea who whats going on in 99% of the cases.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:41:38
They'll be betting the rumors', the traders marking it up will have absolutely no idea who whats going on in 99% of the cases.

Hence Sol Campbell being favourite despite us having zero interest. They just provide odds on who is available out their asses and then amend accordingly.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 13:44:49
How is any of this Charlton fansí fault? Theyíre just as pissed off as us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:06:31
How is any of this Charlton fansí fault? Theyíre just as pissed off as us.
Don't think anyone has blamed Charlton fans, quite the opposite. The owners of the club, totally different matter.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: digby on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:09:32
 :D
it would be good to put some of this uncertainty behind us. I think we all know Garner is 99% gone to Charlton but it just feels like we have to put our business on hold while they faff about like old women looking for change in their purses at a supermarket checkout.

I like that analogy !   :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:11:08
Is it worst to be ageist or a mysogonist these days?

T'was the 'joke' I failed to make.

Though is it misogynist if its true?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:11:19
:D
I like that analogy !   :D

Batch already told me off for being ageist! :(


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:16:37
How is any of this Charlton fansí fault? Theyíre just as pissed off as us.

I'm blaming them and no one else to be honest.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:26:22
T'was the 'joke' I failed to make.

Though is it misogynist if its true?!

Not too sure. To be honest the days of rooting around in handbags seems to be a thing of the past, almost everyone these days pays by card it seems.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:27:24
I'm blaming them and no one else to be honest.

If I do the same and then continue to do it repeatedly, does that make me an Addickt?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Crispy on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 14:53:47
Hence Sol Campbell being favourite despite us having zero interest. They just provide odds on who is available out their asses and then amend accordingly.

Yeah bang on, the same core of names will be in the betting for every league 2 vacancy, with an added twist of requests at stupidly short prices. Then they'll just adjust the book accordingly at a ridiculous %. God bless the band.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:10:27
I'm blaming them and no one else to be honest.

Rightly so, shitheads


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:15:44
Didn't Clem or someone at the club suggest comp had been sorted now?

Its all a bit of a mess TBH.
I just wanted it sorted once and for all. Iím all for fighting our corner but itís almost 2 weeks now and the last thing you want is a game of brinkmanship impacting our preparations for next season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:17:00
I just wanted it sorted once and for all. Iím all for fighting our corner but itís almost 2 weeks now and the last thing you want is a game of brinkmanship impacting our preparations for next season.
I am the opposite, nice to see us not having the piss taken out of us. Fuck em


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:26:11
The fact itís gone one two weeks, regardless of whoís fault it is or what needs to happen etc etc, kind of indicates we are being taken the piss out of.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:26:42
I just wanted it sorted once and for all. Iím all for fighting our corner but itís almost 2 weeks now and the last thing you want is a game of brinkmanship impacting our preparations for next season.

Are we actually wasting any time though? In reality we're already working behind the scenes on a replacement and it'll probably take the same amount of time as it would have anyway.

As far as I can tell its not making any material difference to us and the delay is just making Charltons owners look tin pot and unorganised.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:34:33
I am the opposite, nice to see us not having the piss taken out of us. Fuck em
Only works so long, if this is still dragging on next week then itís to the detriment of ourselves as well as them. Pre season plans etc need to be drawn up and kind of need a coaching team to do that, canít go in half cocked like last season and hope for the same result again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:44:45
Only works so long, if this is still dragging on next week then itís to the detriment of ourselves as well as them. Pre season plans etc need to be drawn up and kind of need a coaching team to do that, canít go in half cocked like last season and hope for the same result again.

Again though, has it made any actual difference to our preparation? We still have to appoint a head coach. Even if we've picked one today or yesterday, its only delaying an announcement a few days. That doesn't actually effect our season or preparation, it just frustrates fans.

I'm with Mango. We're not just rolling over and letting them tickle our belly and pay us whatever they fancy. Its good to see.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 15:58:05
Rightly so, shitheads

Whatís it got to do with the slave traders?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:01:33
Again though, has it made any actual difference to our preparation? We still have to appoint a head coach. Even if we've picked one today or yesterday, its only delaying an announcement a few days. That doesn't actually effect our season or preparation, it just frustrates fans.

I'm with Mango. We're not just rolling over and letting them tickle our belly and pay us whatever they fancy. Its good to see.
Well yeah eventually the players do return or signings will go elsewhere as people are naturally averse to uncertainty so it will soon become an issue if it drags into next week or later. Also youíve got to be careful it doesnít get to the point where Charlton call our bluff and we are left with a coaching staff on the payroll that we have no use for. Playing hardball is fine until you come up against someone that is more stubborn than yourselfÖ. The Charlton owner sounds erratic and unpredictable and the longer this takes the riskier it gets for us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:10:57
Well yeah eventually the players do return or signings will go elsewhere as people are naturally averse to uncertainty so it will soon become an issue if it drags into next week or later. Also youíve got to be careful it doesnít get to the point where Charlton call our bluff and we are left with a coaching staff on the payroll that we have no use for. Playing hardball is fine until you come up against someone that is more stubborn than yourselfÖ. The Charlton owner sounds erratic and unpredictable and the longer this takes the riskier it gets for us.

We know very little. Garner could have effectively already gone and they just want to announce the coaching staff at the same time. If that's the case, there is nothing stopping us appointing a new head coach in the mean time and just announcing it after its all done with Charlton and the coaching staff.

It seems more of a delay to announcements than an actual delay in reality.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:32:34
If the worst comes the worst, Mildly can take the initial running sessions that the players get put through, or we can hire 3rd party PTs to at least get some conditioning into the players. Time and again we've heard stories of pre season, where the coaching staff don't get the balls out for the first few weeks.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:39:33
Issue is with compensation on the 2 scotts. We need Charlton to agree this before announcements can occur. We have preferred replacements (HC and no 2), as well as players signed (current and new ones) ready to go. Lets hope it all gets agreed asap.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:51:11
Issue is with compensation on the 2 scotts. We need Charlton to agree this before announcements can occur. We have preferred replacements (HC and no 2), as well as players signed (current and new ones) ready to go. Lets hope it all gets agreed asap.

Jan the man coming in clutch with key updates. Careful though mush, you might upset a few with the fact you know and are sharing this sensitive data!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:52:30
If we have current and new players signed why havent they been announced?

What bearing does this episode have on that? Makes no sense


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:53:17
Issue is with compensation on the 2 scotts. We need Charlton to agree this before announcements can occur. We have preferred replacements (HC and no 2), as well as players signed (current and new ones) ready to go. Lets hope it all gets agreed asap.
Thanks for the update. Any pleasant surprises on the current players re-signing?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:55:14
Announce Frenchy


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 16:57:51
I also predict we are going to sign players and at least 1 of our current players will sign an extension.

I also predict we will hire a new Head Coach.

Just seems a bit pointless to mention doesn't it really.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 17:12:17
Issue is with compensation on the 2 scotts. We need Charlton to agree this before announcements can occur. We have preferred replacements (HC and no 2), as well as players signed (current and new ones) ready to go. Lets hope it all gets agreed asap.
I donít understand why we would delay player announcements if they are already signed, in fact to me that would seem to be missing out on some easy good PR whilst all this nonsense rumbles on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 17:13:34
If we have current and new players signed why havent they been announced?

What bearing does this episode have on that? Makes no sense

A good news day all in one go?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 17:27:35
Here we go again with the quivering lips. Some of you really need more going on in your lives. It'll all be announced when it's done and the club are ready, OK?

Jeez.  ::)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 17:42:45
Here we go again with the quivering lips. Some of you really need more going on in your lives. It'll all be announced when it's done and the club are ready, OK?

Jeez.  ::)
It's mental. People moan that it's holding us up off the pitch, they are reassured it's not then moan that it can't be true or why are the club not announcing it. They announce any signings and they'll be saying we must have a manager lined up why not just announce publicly.

Just let it play out i am sure all will be good


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 18:09:41
Don't want to be all itk, but hearing things will be much clearer soonish.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 18:22:47
Time and again we've heard stories of pre season, where the coaching staff don't get the balls out for the first few weeks.

Pretty much the standard for a long time I think. First few weeks are all conditioning.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 18:24:00
Issue is with compensation on the 2 scotts. We need Charlton to agree this before announcements can occur. We have preferred replacements (HC and no 2), as well as players signed (current and new ones) ready to go. Lets hope it all gets agreed asap.

Essentially what I was hoping for and thinking might be the case.

If you want to put my mind at even more rest, you can tell he the preferred Head Coach isn't Matt Taylor (unless its the Exeter one)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 18:29:24
It's mental. People moan that it's holding us up off the pitch, they are reassured it's not then moan that it can't be true or why are the club not announcing it. They announce any signings and they'll be saying we must have a manager lined up why not just announce publicly.

Just let it play out i am sure all will be good

Exactly. I love a moan with the best of them when its warranted but some people are just never happy.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 18:39:09
I donít understand why we would delay player announcements if they are already signed, in fact to me that would seem to be missing out on some easy good PR whilst all this nonsense rumbles on.

Managed PR. Not taken from Mumsnet.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 19:01:51
From Ryan Walker

CONFIRMED: Ben Garner is set to be unveiled as new Charlton manager at a press conference within the next 48 hours is my understanding. 80k compensation fee agreed with Swindon Town. Scott Marshall and Scott Lindsey are wanted but deals still not agreed. #stfc #cafc


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 19:08:41
Ben WAS ITK after all.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 19:11:57
Thought £150k was already reported agreed elsewhere for Garner?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 19:18:50
Thought £150k was already reported agreed elsewhere for Garner?

That's 150k Aussie dollars, cobber.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 19:25:44
Thought £150k was already reported agreed elsewhere for Garner?

I think that was guess work. Not sure it was ever said by any media outlet etc although I may have missed it if so.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 20:16:23
Thought £150k was already reported agreed elsewhere for Garner?
I think that'll be all 3


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 20:46:45
Is Chorley off to Charlton too? My understanding was that the two leaving were unrelated and Chorley had offered his resignation towards the end of the season.

This is really getting all a bit tedious now. I've nothing against Charlton, know some of their fans and they're good people, but this is really making me dislike them a bit. I remember listening to their owner on TalkSport when he was trying to take over and thinking he sounds like a bit of a headcase. Hope he hurries the fuck up so we can get on with our season.

Orient I reckon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 20:50:22
If we have current and new players signed why havent they been announced?

What bearing does this episode have on that? Makes no sense

Reckon Baudry will be one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 21:11:11
Reckon Baudry will be one.
Him and Egbo hopefully. Would like to see us really strengthen in full-back this year. I think Tomlinson and Egbo showed us the quality of fullback we need


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 21:13:45
That's 150k Aussie dollars, cobber.

150,000 dollerydoos!?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 21:53:41
Baudry had a good end to the season, however I hope he is nothing more than back up next year.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 22:01:34
Mason now fav. Caddis into 7/2


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 23:12:03
Caddis seems like a mad wild card as manager on paper. but with a team behind him, he know the club, he's liked by the fans. Obs a decent player who is young enough to connect with players still playing. Seems like a good plan.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 00:20:19
Very much this. We need to move forwards, not backwards.

Which ironically is a similar quote of Wellens himself (when asked at a Q&A one preseason about the possibility of signing my "lovechild" Sid Nelson - who was available after Millwall released him);

Quote
We're looking forwards - not backwards


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 05:02:48
Today the day?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 05:13:27
Today the day?

Unless it isn't.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 05:30:46
Today the day?
The Teddy bears have their picnic.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 05:45:56
Could be a whole raft of news today. Garner gone. New man in, plus assistant. Players sign and re-sign.

Or, fuck all.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 06:05:33
'This is the day, your life will surely change
This is the day, when things fall into place'

Thread made me start whistling a bit of The The.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pericardinho on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 06:36:05
Ryan Mason announced today. Chris Powell assistant. Jack Payne new deal and Charlie Austin through the door.

Lovely stuff.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 06:37:59
Him and Egbo hopefully. Would like to see us really strengthen in full-back this year. I think Tomlinson and Egbo showed us the quality of fullback we need

Egbo would be a signing with intent.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 06:40:01
Could be a whole raft of news today. Garner gone. New man in, plus assistant. Players sign and re-sign.

Or, fuck all.

Your post actually made me laugh 😂


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 07:53:36
The Teddy bears have their picnic.
Will Paddington be there with his new Ďbestieí?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:03:07
'This is the day, your life will surely change
This is the day, when things fall into place'

Thread made me start whistling a bit of The The.

"Well you didn't wake up this morning 'cause you didn't go to bed
You were watching the whites of your eyes turn red
The calendar on your wall was ticking the days off"

Describes the current state of much of our fanbase pretty precisely.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:17:43
I am sure there will be news today


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:21:57
I am sure there will be news today
Yeah, probably Boris Johnson again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:24:27
Yeah, probably Boris Johnson again.

Didn't he get the dreaded vote of confidence from the board on Monday night, can't see him coming here after that?  ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:31:20
Well within 48 hours was the report yesterday. So either today or tomorrow.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:34:29
Unless there's any hick up!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:44:10
Egbo would be a signing with intent.
Will be a great signing, just have to convince Payne now


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:45:31
Well within 48 hours was the report yesterday. So either today or tomorrow.
Ö.  Or the next dayÖ.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 08:57:40
Paul Caddis would be an appointment that would work for many I suspect.
Working towards his UEFA A licence so maybe a role as an assistant coach would be ideal to start with.

Looks to be keeping his eye in anyway.
https://www.paulcaddiselitecoaching.com/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:34:03
Paul Caddis would be an appointment that would work for many I suspect.
Working towards his UEFA A licence so maybe a role as an assistant coach would be ideal to start with.

Looks to be keeping his eye in anyway.
https://www.paulcaddiselitecoaching.com/

Just looking at his record and was quite shocked at how few games he has played, then noticed he is only 34, is he crock as surprised no one (us even) took a flyer on him last season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:43:38
Will be a great signing, just have to convince Payne now
Egbo would be excellent, as you stated having Egbo and Tomlinson showed us what we were missing at fullback over the last few years.

I have a feeling Payne will wait and decide depending on when hes spoken to the new manager to see what role he will have. Last season he stated he "wants to be at a club where he is liked and appreciated" more so than a "bigger club on better money".


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:46:45
Last season he stated he "wants to be at a club where he is liked and appreciated" more so than a "bigger club on better money".

There is 'bigger money' and there is taking a hefty pay cut from what you have been earning, assume he will need to get something sorted reasonably shortly as we/Lincoln will stop paying him end this month won't we?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:54:43
There is 'bigger money' and there is taking a hefty pay cut from what you have been earning, assume he will need to get something sorted reasonably shortly as we/Lincoln will stop paying him end this month won't we?
Yeah his last pay cheque will be the end of the month and officially out of contract on 1st July.

Pretty sure Lincoln were paying around 50% of his wages so for him to re sign we must get a fair bit closer than the wage he was on with us (that was actually paid by us).

Massive signing though if we pull it off.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 09:59:33
This is a really wanky 'ITK' type post but I'm led to believe there should be some manager and player news today. No idea of specific details but just that things should be announced.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:00:08
Yeah his last pay cheque will be the end of the month and officially out of contract on 1st July.

Pretty sure Lincoln were paying around 50% of his wages so for him to re sign we must get a fair bit closer than the wage he was on with us (that was actually paid by us).

Massive signing though if we pull it off.

Understand what you are saying but in this new post COVID world we live in & the increased costs of living are (m)any football clubs even going to / be able to offer Payne similar wages to what he was on at Lincoln (and here + Lincoln?)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:04:14
Understand what you are saying but in this new post COVID world we live in & the increased costs of living are (m)any football clubs even going to / be able to offer Payne similar wages to what he was on at Lincoln (and here + Lincoln?)

Rather depends what league are prepared to take a punt on him, I imagine some of the bigger budgets in L1 would be reasonably OK with it (wasn't it broadly £250k a year), albeit it depends on someone fancying him and feeling he can do the job at that level.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:04:39
Just looking at his record and was quite shocked at how few games he has played, then noticed he is only 34, is he crock as surprised no one (us even) took a flyer on him last season.
I am going to go against the grain here and say that he had fitness issues all his career and always seemed to be coming back unfit, it's weirdly the reason i am against him getting it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:07:01
Rather depends what league are prepared to take a punt on him, I imagine some of the bigger budgets in L1 would be reasonably OK with it (wasn't it broadly £250k a year), albeit it depends on someone fancying him and feeling he can do the job at that level.
Yeah i would imagine you are right but i wouldn't underestimate how happy he is down here to be honest. Would not shock me obviously if someone offers big money down here then yeah


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:21:40
How was Lincoln ever able to pay so much anyway? Never known them to be moneybags.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:22:43
This is a really wanky 'ITK' type post but I'm led to believe there should be some manager and player news today. No idea of specific details but just that things should be announced.

I hope this is true.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:27:55
This is a really wanky 'ITK' type post but I'm led to believe there should be some manager and player news today. No idea of specific details but just that things should be announced.

I've also heard rumblings there's something happening pretty shortly! Fingers crossed


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:34:20
Didn't he get the dreaded vote of confidence from the board on Monday night, can't see him coming here after that?  ;)

He is a wrong-un would be a perfect fit with our history 😎


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:36:06
Will be a great signing, just have to convince Payne now

Would be two incredible signings with intent, including Baudry as back up and experience.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:37:55
Egbo would be excellent, as you stated having Egbo and Tomlinson showed us what we were missing at fullback over the last few years.

I have a feeling Payne will wait and decide depending on when hes spoken to the new manager to see what role he will have. Last season he stated he "wants to be at a club where he is liked and appreciated" more so than a "bigger club on better money".

Payne and McKirdy love the City lights.
Keep one happy and you never know :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:43:21
Confirmed Garner has gone


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:44:48
Officially a cunting bottler now then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:45:07
First of many announcements today?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:46:07
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/june/club-statement-ben-garner-departs/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:47:10
Confirmed Garner has gone

One would imagining incoming imminently assuming the rumours it was all agreed and signed up are correct.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:47:14
"Hunt for new head coach well under way"  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:48:04
"Hunt for new head coach well under way"  :hmmm:

Alarming.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:48:30
"Hunt for new head coach well under way"

Rob Hunt? Perhaps that's why when we announced our retained list the wording was slightly different for Hunty.  :sherlock:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:50:11
Rob Hunt? Perhaps that's why when we announced our retained list the wording was slightly different for Hunty.  :sherlock:

Mike


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:50:23
No mention of the Scotts suggests that isn't yet resolved . Disappointing but at least we can move on now, better now than midseason.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:51:22
"We also want to reassure fans that the search for a new Head Coach is well underway and we hope to make an appointment soon."

Meaning we've been working on this for a while.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 10:57:00
So, finally the straight to DVD bargain bucket saga comes to an end & a new story is about to unfold.
A quickly forgotten drab mini series or an epic adventure. Time will tell.

Garner. Success or a failure?
A qualified success I'd say.

Clever spin by the club to effectively allow him to manage with zero pressure last season.
Was it a squad cobbled together just to survive? No way.
Could it have been a struggle if certain players hadn't of stepped up or small squad with lots of injuries? Yes, very possibly.
Frustrating to have missed out by one home win in the end and therein lay the problem.

Sticking around for another season to finish the job here would have garnered a lot more managerial credit in the bank i.e. absorb a couple of sackings and still land a decent job or two.
The managerial / coaching dynamic has changed, in that the safety net of the academy system is there as the fall back for the young guns that don't quite cut it at L1 or L2 level.
Fair play to him for backing himself to take on the Charlton job. The pressure will be on.

Historically, it's been very difficult to build on a failed play off campaign with the same manager in place here.
From that point of view, a fresh approach to the style of play and clearing the heads of any remaining mental baggage might well be the best thing for the club moving forward.
For starters, winning a few early home games would get the fans on board.

Changing the subject slightly, I'm guessing that Charlton's owner would have been seen as a knight in shining armour on taking over from a deeply unpopular regime.
A casual visit to the Charlton forum would indicate a significant level of disillusionment with the now not so shining knight.
Hope that the same doesn't happen here.
The next couple of years will be very important in needing to demonstrate tangible progression on and off the pitch.

As for Garner. An enjoyable season overall, but bridges well & truly burnt as far as this small corner of SN2 is concerned.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:03:03
"We also want to reassure fans that the search for a new Head Coach is well underway and we hope to make an appointment soon."

Meaning we've been working on this for a while.

I think so, Charlton's wording says Garner signed ''this week'' not ''today'' so it must have been done Monday I would say which would go with what Jantheplaneman said.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:03:07
How was Lincoln ever able to pay so much anyway? Never known them to be moneybags.
They made a lot (£2m+) from getting into the last 8 of the FA cup in 2017 when as a non league side they got to the QF's, they won the league then next season won the EFL trophy at Wembley, then 2 seasons after won L2 at a canter, invested wisely off the pitch too.

Also £5k pw in L1 is a higher average wage but nowhere near rare, according to the media sites that know these things. When he signed for Lincoln he was regarded as one of the best talents in L1 at the time so commanded a large wage.

Quote
How Much Do League 1 Players Make?
The English League 1 brings in far less revenue than the Championship and the Premier League. The top players in the division can earn more than £5,000-20,000 per week but this is much more than most League 1 players earn. The average player earns around a couple thousand pounds per week.

League 1 Average Salary
Many League 1 clubs are very secretive about their finances. The average weekly salary is estimated to be between £1,700 and £2,500 per week. This comes to between £88,400 and £130,00 per year.

In a leaked document by the Daily Mail, it was revealed that the average highest earner on each club was £4,753 per week or £247,188 per year.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:03:21
Here's to hopefully the return of some exciting football  :pint:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:04:43
"We also want to reassure fans that the search for a new Head Coach is well underway and we hope to make an appointment soon."

Meaning we've been working on this for a while.

Careful. Youíll be accused of getting that from Mumsnet accompanied by childish abuse.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:04:48
Beating Charlton in the 1st round of the carabao cup would be nice😀


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:06:34
Careful. Youíll be accused of getting that from Mumsnet accompanied by childish abuse.
I still have no idea what mumsnet is and no I wont google it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:06:45
Beating Charlton in the 1st round of the carabao cup would be nice😀

Donít go there JQ. Youíre tempting fate for sure.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:07:55
Hopefully Garner lets us have Chuks Aneke in return for him leaving, he always tears us a new one when we play against him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:09:59
I'm sure it would be played in front of an undestaing home crowd on a lovely summers evening!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:12:09
I still have no idea what mumsnet is and no I wont google it.

My SO suggests that it's a forum and cesspit of filth where people discuss their DD's and DS's! Albeit was interesting to see that our Divine Leader got a much harder time from there than he does from most political journalists!

Coincidentally, considering cesspits of filth,  I discovered yesterday that the TEF is blocked when on Trans Pennine Express complementary Wi-Fi!

FWIW don't really bear any hostility to Garner, he got an offer higher up the ladder on more money, can anyone honestly suggest they would not accept likewise (or at least consider), especially bearing in mind that a decent proportion of the fan base never took to him. On to the next one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:17:36
#announceNewBloke


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:20:34
I still have no idea what mumsnet is and no I wont google it.

Iíve heard of it, thatís all but clearly someone else knows more that you and I. Iím adamant (not Adam Ant) that this saga has been going on well before the play offs v Pork Vile. The appt of Di Michelle must have been in the pipeline for some time and BG wasnít going to play along with it. The club could easily have said (assuming BG contract didnít have any small print to say otherwise) this is what is going to happen going forward without naming names. BG had two choices, run with it or bail. His agent would have put the feelers out and cast the baited hook. Charlton took a big bite and here we are. His replacement probably has been chosen, though not necessarily been appointed with a contract, could be wrong I think by the end of this week weíll have that replacement. Again, they wonít cost money IMHO. Theyíd rather spend the compo on a players wages than reinvest in an existing contracted manager/coach.

I cannot help thinking that there are those amongst us who maybe donít realise how organised and forward thinking the management and owner of STFC actually are. Every business has or should have a five year plan with objectives and back up plans of critical points of the plan that get disrupted such as in losing your manager unexpectedly. Di Michele may have already pointed them towards an up and coming manager as part of an interview presentation to make his point and secure the job. Along with a list of playersÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:27:22
Interesting to hear Garner at his first press call - lets see if he is willing to disclose why he left as I'm sure at some point Clem or Rob will let the fans know the full details of why Garner left, I'm sure htye will be open about it when talking to the press.

Wonder what will happen with the 2 Scott's if they are now left here, bit awkward considering Garner wanted them, and Charlton probably wanted to pay 10p for them.

If the new man does not want them then it plays into Charlton's hand as it means we have to do something with them, if we pay them off they go straight to Charlton we got no compo


 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:29:23
2 scotts have gone aswell. From what i heard it was a simple case of they asked if Garner was interested he said yes so we let him talk to them


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: joeydubya on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:37:49
My SO suggests that it's a forum and cesspit of filth where people discuss their DD's and DS's! Albeit was interesting to see that our Divine Leader got a much harder time from there than he does from most political journalists!

Coincidentally, considering cesspits of filth,  I discovered yesterday that the TEF is blocked when on Trans Pennine Express complementary Wi-Fi!

FWIW don't really bear any hostility to Garner, he got an offer higher up the ladder on more money, can anyone honestly suggest they would not accept likewise (or at least consider), especially bearing in mind that a decent proportion of the fan base never took to him. On to the next one.

AIBU?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:50:02
the only thread I've read a little bit of on Mumsnet

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1875847-Do-you-dunk-your-penis


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:50:57
Iíve heard of it, thatís all but clearly someone else knows more that you and I. Iím adamant (not Adam Ant) that this saga has been going on well before the play offs v Pork Vile. The appt of Di Michelle must have been in the pipeline for some time and BG wasnít going to play along with it. The club could easily have said (assuming BG contract didnít have any small print to say otherwise) this is what is going to happen going forward without naming names. BG had two choices, run with it or bail. His agent would have put the feelers out and cast the baited hook. Charlton took a big bite and here we are. His replacement probably has been chosen, though not necessarily been appointed with a contract, could be wrong I think by the end of this week weíll have that replacement. Again, they wonít cost money IMHO. Theyíd rather spend the compo on a players wages than reinvest in an existing contracted manager/coach.

I cannot help thinking that there are those amongst us who maybe donít realise how organised and forward thinking the management and owner of STFC actually are. Every business has or should have a five year plan with objectives and back up plans of critical points of the plan that get disrupted such as in losing your manager unexpectedly. Di Michele may have already pointed them towards an up and coming manager as part of an interview presentation to make his point and secure the job. Along with a list of playersÖ

I agree. I can't see the Di Michele appointment coming together that quickly....so that part at least must have been going on for weeks, if not months.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:57:30
the only thread I've read a little bit of on Mumsnet

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1875847-Do-you-dunk-your-penis
I wish I hadnt opened that thread.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 11:58:20
the only thread I've read a little bit of on Mumsnet

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1875847-Do-you-dunk-your-penis

Fanjo acid?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:04:06
 :hmmm:

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/62a0651be44a4/charlton-appoint-ben-garner-as-mens-first-team-manager

The standard "xy are a massive club" new manager comment.  :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:05:39
The standard "xy are a massive club" new manager comment.  :D

If the Club is Bristol City then it seems to me mandatory, for all new signings as well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:11:32
the only thread I've read a little bit of on Mumsnet

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1875847-Do-you-dunk-your-penis
No curtains in her house then?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:12:58
the only thread I've read a little bit of on Mumsnet

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1875847-Do-you-dunk-your-penis

Clearly this Mumsnet site needs further investigationÖ..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:28:24
No curtains in her house then?

Only beef or corned beef, not to confused with tinned dog.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:36:22
Wtf is all this Mumsnet shit doing on here?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:39:20
I might ask them if they know who our new manager is.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:43:35
You mean NM.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 12:55:37
Ryan Mason :pint:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:02:06
Quote from: JoeMezz
Ryan Mason :pint:

??!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:02:41
??!

Also this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:08:09
Ryan Mason :pint:

This as wellÖ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:14:25
Masons odds keep dropping. Think a new manager will come in quite soon and I think it'll be him!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:19:36
Masons odds keep dropping. Think a new manager will come in quite soon and I think it'll be him!

Well, Iíd be more than happy with that and more surprised than that still. Especially if we have to pay for his services. What puts me off that kind of appointment is you know as soon as we get some degree of success with him heíd be off. Donít get me wrong, weíre as I have said before bottom feeders so u til we become a PL giant itís always going to happen, though that diminishes slightly the higher we go. Iím still of a mind that it is an unknown no manager/coach or Non league rising star. We of course have a historical record of blooding top ex players so who knows?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:25:26
What puts me off that kind of appointment is you know as soon as we get some degree of success with him heíd be off.

If he gets us up and competing in the league above you'd have to wish him well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:37:04
Being realistic......Mason is on a huge salary as 1st team coach at Spurs said to be more than £10k per week, does he have any aspiration to manage outside of the Premier League?

Has he himself stated he wants to manage rather than just being a coach (ignoring his 6 games in temp charge of Spurs).

Has Clem suggested he is a viable target?

Would he be willing to take a huge pay cut to start a career in management? also the first club that made him an offer from a higher league then he would be off anyway.

I think they are too man "no's" in there and I don't think he is even an option its just people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 200.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:38:28
Essentially that is what it will come down to. Is he happy being a coach or does he want to be a manager?

If its the latter then he's unlikely to be given a prem job out side of a caretaker role.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:41:17
Essentially that is what it will come down to. Is he happy being a coach or does he want to be a manager?

If its the latter then he's unlikely to be given a prem job out side of a caretaker role.
I just haven't read any interview etc with him stating he wants a career in management, there may be some but I havent read of it.

We could be trying to sell a dog to a man that is happy with a cat.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:47:07
I just haven't read any interview etc with him stating he wants a career in management, there may be some but I havent read of it.

We could be trying to sell a dog to a man that is happy with a cat.

if he didn't want it he wouldn't take it.
we shouldn't be afraid to appoint someone for fear of them doing too good. we recruit again and move on as we always have done. and hopefully from a better league


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:49:07
Don't mind who it is, as long as he's not called Steve (Evans or McMahon).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:51:38
Do we think we will have some more news today? Knowing the club a glut of announcements around 5pm (as I'm driving home from work  :eek:).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:51:52
Being realistic......Mason is on a huge salary as 1st team coach at Spurs said to be more than £10k per week, does he have any aspiration to manage outside of the Premier League?

Has he himself stated he wants to manage rather than just being a coach (ignoring his 6 games in temp charge of Spurs).

Has Clem suggested he is a viable target?

Would he be willing to take a huge pay cut to start a career in management? also the first club that made him an offer from a higher league then he would be off anyway.

I think they are too man "no's" in there and I don't think he is even an option its just people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 200.

I think they are too man "no's" in there and I don't think he is even an option its just people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 200.

Exactly this in addition my own comments, so for those reasons, Iím out.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:55:58
I do think that many of our fanbase will be very disappointed with whoever we choose as manager as there is a high likelihood that many of them haven't even heard of him, the same appointment as it was with Garner.

I don't think we will appoint someone with a "name" like Carrick or Mason, more likely a Premier League or Championship level academy or U23 manager in the mold of Garner, Critchley or Barry Lewtas.

Whoever is appointed will have my full backing from the off until they prove they don't deserve it :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 13:58:03
all this talk of Mason is pointless. I got itk from a mate

Quote
Just heard from my postman mate matty Taylor at county ground again today two days in a row now apparently


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:08:01
all this talk of Mason is pointless. I got itk from a mate


That is the exact opposite of an appointment to get the fanbase buzzing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:08:18
Has anyone considered taylor could come in as coach as well as mason? Both coaches at spurs the same time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:08:53
Assuming its our ex player and not Exeters manager, of course.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:11:23
I'll just leave this here  :creep:

https://youtu.be/Ni2FohbJnJc


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:13:27
Quote from: ChalkyWhiteIsGod
That is the exact opposite of an appointment to get the fanbase buzzing.
yes

But it was not a serious post. I mean my mate sent it me, but I'm guessing the posty knows the same as the rest of us..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:14:18
Quote from: 4D
I'll just leave this here  :creep:

https://youtu.be/Ni2FohbJnJc (https://youtu.be/Ni2FohbJnJc)

fuck...

and

right off


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:15:01
fuck...

and

right off
At least he has passion.....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:16:52
yes

But it was not a serious post. I mean my mate sent it me, but I'm guessing the posty knows the same as the rest of us..

I'm trusting the postman and completely changing course for "Matt Taylor (both)".

It's definitely someone called Matt Taylor.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:17:54
Tatt Maylor 3 year deal.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:20:01
I'll just leave this here  :creep:

https://youtu.be/Ni2FohbJnJc

Never heard of him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:31:38
My spidey sense says it will be Mark Delaney
Iím standing by this


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:35:42
Quote from: Super Hans
Tatt Maylor 3 year deal.

yeah but Matt Taylor, or Matt Taylor?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: stfctownenda on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:42:47
Issue is with compensation on the 2 scotts. We need Charlton to agree this before announcements can occur. We have preferred replacements (HC and no 2), as well as players signed (current and new ones) ready to go. Lets hope it all gets agreed asap.

Any anticipated timelines for the appointments of the preferred replacements, new signings and agreed contract extensions? Will we hear this week?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bennett on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:43:25
yeah but Matt Taylor, or Matt Taylor?
(Both)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 14:59:30
I'm certain it's Delaney tbh


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Mr Stevens on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:02:34
At least he has passion.....

I can name a number of war criminals who had passion.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:08:03
Delaney, Artell or Garrard? :sherlock:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:08:58
fuck...

and

right off
Fatty Evans -  not for me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:56:30
Delaney, Artell or Garrard? :sherlock:

Artell? Dear god no


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 15:59:52
No 5pm statement. Booo.

Was thinking half a chance when they did the Garner gone announcement early in the day.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 16:15:30
You would have thought that after nearly 3 weeks of yanking our chain theyíd throw us a bone as soon as they could.

Even if it was just the current players that are re-signing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 16:17:32
I would love Mason, was a class above when he played here and has obviously got the chops being allowed to look after spurs for a few games and running their yoof bits until becoming first team coach. Would he take the step down to L2? I think so, if he wants management as a career.

My only negative I think as I hit the thirties and I'm just about coming to terms with all the players being younger than me, is if the manager is also younger than me I'll have to get over that as well. Nightmare.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 16:32:20
I would love Mason, was a class above when he played here and has obviously got the chops being allowed to look after spurs for a few games and running their yoof bits until becoming first team coach. Would he take the step down to L2? I think so, if he wants management as a career.

My only negative I think as I hit the thirties and I'm just about coming to terms with all the players being younger than me, is if the manager is also younger than me I'll have to get over that as well. Nightmare.

Would be first ever town manager younger than me too. Would feel weird. Getting on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:02:07
Would be first ever town manager younger than me too. Would feel weird. Getting on.

Shit yeah. In which case, firm no to Mason.

Remember the first Town XI that was all younger than me was a cup game when I was about 24, which felt very unfairly early. 32 would be no age to be older than the manager.

Edit: this game (http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=20150701). Branco is a few months younger than me, he was the oldest player on the pitch at 24.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:03:59
Its when players you watched as a nipper start retiring that it hits you first. We should be comfortable with it now, to be fair.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Qunk on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:09:17
I would love Mason, was a class above when he played here and has obviously got the chops being allowed to look after spurs for a few games and running their yoof bits until becoming first team coach. Would he take the step down to L2? I think so, if he wants management as a career.

My only negative I think as I hit the thirties and I'm just about coming to terms with all the players being younger than me, is if the manager is also younger than me I'll have to get over that as well. Nightmare.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. What a class player, good guy to boot, and obviously has something about him coach/management wise or a club like Spurs would have chosen someone else to caretaker. If not Micheal Flynn, Iíd be delighted if we took Mason on. I think, objectively, itíd be good for his career too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:26:06
Spurs have a hell of an academy too and we'd do well to repair the relationship after the Luongo/Gladwin to QPR fiasco.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:37:33
Two Brighton coaches I reckon.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:42:07
Two Brighton coaches I reckon.

Sounds like a euphemism. It is Pride month.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:43:34
LGBTQ+ and that chalky.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:48:56
Its when players you watched as a nipper start retiring that it hits you first. We should be comfortable with it now, to be fair.

It was when we had players younger than my son when I started to feel old


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:49:21
Would be first ever town manager younger than me too. Would feel weird. Getting on.
Can't remember the last time a manager was older than me!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:52:14
Just checked. Roy Evans


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 17:54:07
You would have thought that after nearly 3 weeks of yanking our chain theyíd throw us a bone as soon as they could.

Even if it was just the current players that are re-signing.
Not sure we can properly until Friday


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:01:00
Just checked. Roy Evans

Must have been close with Paul Hart then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:04:24
Must have been close with Paul Hart then.
Ah,yeah. Was trying to forget about him!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:09:25
https://twitter.com/MrDavidBOwen/status/1534599911202856961?t=uwd26HkRk93fyFrnJOP0fA&s=19

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:18:00
To me, this is the appointment which makes most sense. We had a good productive relationship with Villla last season,  which presumably  Delaney was key to. Villa is definitely an ambitious club with Gerrard at the helm, and to build on what we had could be very positive at both ends.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:33:14
I love tradition. Are we in for a Friday Statement?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:36:34
Two Brighton coaches I reckon.

Not sure if you are ITK but I heard of 2 new names, one of them a Brighton coach. Don't think either has been mentioned on here before.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:37:46
Simon Rusk.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:38:08
Simon Rusk.

That's one, Andrew Croft the other.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:39:40
That's one, Andrew Croft the other.

Rusk has definitely been spoken too, no idea about Croft, thatís a new name to me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:40:04
Simon Rusk.

If it is Rusk I imagine he will be received with very much a 'meh' from fans, similar to Garner. Think we have to 'trust the process'


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:41:52
Rusk has definitely been spoken too, no idea about Croft, thatís a new name to me.

Sorry its Andrew Crofts, who is also a Brighton coach. He is 38 and Rusk 40 so goes with that twitter rumour posted above.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: molepar on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:41:58
A quick google search tells me both of those are or have been involved in the setup at Brighton in recent times.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hyabb17 on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:43:23
So are we saying those two as HC & AHC?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:45:15
For those following the betting odds, Rusk and Crofts are both 2/1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:46:39
Simon Rusk was a class DMC in the CM3 series.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: MangoRed on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:47:24
Not sure if you are ITK but I heard of 2 new names, one of them a Brighton coach. Don't think either has been mentioned on here before.

If it happens, Iím 100% ITK and milking I called it first.

If it doesnít happen, it was just guess work and be recognising Brighton in the month of pride.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:49:54
If it happens, Iím 100% ITK and milking I called it first.

If it doesnít happen, it was just guess work and be recognising Brighton in the month of pride.

I can get behind that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:51:01
Andrew Crofts and Simon Rusk are 2/1, Mark Delaney is 3/1.
It's one of those and will be announced tomorrow


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: newmarket red on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:55:32
For those following the betting odds, Rusk and Crofts are both 2/1
who are they :smack:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:55:44
Sorry its Andrew Crofts, who is also a Brighton coach. He is 38 and Rusk 40 so goes with that twitter rumour posted above.

I still had no idea bout him in fairness. Would they come in together maybe?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 18:59:05
Rusk only got an England coaching role last month.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: dalumpimunki on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:04:50
Would be first ever town manager younger than me too. Would feel weird. Getting on.

You can moan when the chairman and CEO are younger than you.  But you won't, you get used to it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:24:50
The "Trust the process" line is the biggest load of bollocks in football. Hate that phrase. Win football matches and you'll be backed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:41:54
Rusk did an appalling job at Stockport. Big fat no.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:50:25
Rusk did an appalling job at Stockport. Big fat no.
He lost 9 games


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:53:20
Simon Rusk was a class DMC in the CM3 series.

WTF DTM?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:57:49
Rusk did an appalling job at Stockport. Big fat no.

Winning 49% of your games on charge sounds decent to me


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:58:53
Go and ask Stockport fans. They'll tell you.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 19:59:41
Go and ask Stockport fans. They'll tell you.

What did they tell you when you asked them?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:07:51
Go and ask Stockport fans. They'll tell you.

Like Rovers fans did with Garner, Oldham fans did with WellensÖ etc etc.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:10:25
Like Rovers fans did with Garner, Oldham fans did with WellensÖ etc etc.

Us with Sheridan....but we were right.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:15:05
Like Rovers fans did with Garner, Oldham fans did with WellensÖ etc etc.

With just 9 home wins and too many pedestrian performances, I'm inclined to agree with the Rovers fans re Garner. Happy to be rid. Plenty of Oldham fans rated Wellens.

Rusk blew a huge NL budget on past it FL players, playing negative, boring football. No thank you.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: mrverve on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:24:36
Mile Jedinak?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:34:28
With just 9 home wins and too many pedestrian performances, I'm inclined to agree with the Rovers fans re Garner. Happy to be rid. Plenty of Oldham fans rated Wellens.

Rusk blew a huge NL budget on past it FL players, playing negative, boring football. No thank you.
You're just assuming it was Rusk who blew the budget rather than the Director of Football he was working under...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:37:47
You're just assuming it was Rusk who blew the budget rather than the Director of Football he was working under...
Who was the DoF? Farley? 😁


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 20:47:42
Rusk just took a job in the England set up last month. He went from Manager at Stockport to Assistant at Dundee before joining the England development set up. That doesn't sound like someone who wants another crack at management.

Crofts seems the more likely of them i would think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:02:01
could they be coming in to replace the Scotts rather than as head coach


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:05:10
Writing off a manager after only 1 job with a near 50% win rate

A new low


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:05:35
I think its possible a Scot replaces the Scott's.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:20:36
All names have disappeared from the betting odds so the bookies must know that a manager has been chosen


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:29:03
I'm guessing Delaney.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:35:00
If it is you would imagine good contacts with Villa for players


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 21:37:03
You would hope so wouldn't you. But it sounds like Villa moved him on, as opposed to him choosing to leave. Possibly a Gerrard thing wanting a change.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, June 8, 2022, 22:06:34
Good insight into Moneyball analytics on Wikipedia if anyone is a little lost on this subject.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 04:13:05
ĎRusk is pound for pound the worst manager in our history in my opinion and we've had many a shit manager during our well documented tumble down to Non League.

If he gets the Swindon job I can only send my condolences. Wouldn't even be funny. Actually depressing how he could fail upwards ala Burchnalí


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: kaufman on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 04:56:10
An odd twitter account says itís Andy Crofts.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 05:14:29
Crofts or Delaney are from similar backgrounds - both manager of PL U-23 teams.

Iíd be fine with either


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 05:24:26
The "Trust the process" line is the biggest load of bollocks in football. Hate that phrase. Win football matches and you'll be backed.

Yeah I wrote that through 'gritted fingers'. What I really meant was I hope that as fans we can trust what Clem and Co are doing, Garner was very much seen as a 'meh' appointment but did a fine job in the circumstances.

All I am saying is give <insert new management team here> a chance.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 07:53:42
An odd twitter account says itís Andy Crofts.


Used to share a flat with John Terry... But big Chelsea fan so McKirdy will like that!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:01:26
Anyone know how he's done at Brighton as he's only been there since last June🤔


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:06:34
Used to share a flat with John Terry... But big Chelsea fan so McKirdy will like that!

Was that in your Uni days?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:36:06
Mason now favourite


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:38:22
Where you seeing that as bettingodds.com have suspended betting.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:38:48
Mason now favourite

How much of a favourite fella? I assume things aren't going to get too realistic until they get to at least odds on


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:41:06
the only place I know that was taking bets was betvictor
 
they are no longer using bets.

the two late edition names are a very odd ones just to suddenly appear. Think it will be one of them


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:43:55
the only place I know that was taking bets was betvictor
 
they are no longer using bets.

the two late edition names are a very odd ones just to suddenly appear. Think it will be one of them

When I looked at BV late last night they had no odds, but about an hour before had Rusk and Crofts at 2/1, Delaney at 3/1, and Taylors and Mason at 4/1 I think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:47:55
I wonder if it will be Rusk & Crofts as joint managers.
Been a while since they were a thing. Still think they could work.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:50:24
the only place I know that was taking bets was betvictor
 
they are no longer using bets.

the two late edition names are a very odd ones just to suddenly appear. Think it will be one of them

The two late editions would suggest someone in the know as the average punter wouldn't have a clue so just wondering if they've both been interviewed and it's a choice between either.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:51:13
There's no odds available anywhere, where is Mason favourite?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:51:50
Last nightís chip paper


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 08:54:26
Writing off a manager after only 1 job with a near 50% win rate

A new low

Yeah I noticed that, looking at it I assume he had a great end to the first season (with players already there I assume) and a shit start to the second with his own squad so can possibly understand the disparity. Also notice he had Mark McGhee as his assistant.

If we got Jon Harley in as well we could have a Harley Rusk double act?  ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:07:52
How much of a favourite fella? I assume things aren't going to get too realistic until they get to at least odds on

5/4 on "fanbanter"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:09:13
I wonder if it will be Rusk & Crofts as joint managers.
Been a while since they were a thing. Still think they could work.

Both could be Scott(s) replacements, with Delaney as manager.

Seems unlikely to step down from U23 manager to simply coach though, so I think it'll be the Brighton guy.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:13:20
Yeah I noticed that, looking at it I assume he had a great end to the first season (with players already there I assume) and a shit start to the second with his own squad so can possibly understand the disparity. Also notice he had Mark McGhee as his assistant.

If we got Jon Harley in as well we could have a Harley Rusk double act?  ;)

I think that was the case. Apparently he had a king's ransom for a budget with Stockport and when sacked had them 11th. The stats don't look bad at all but clearly holistically things weren't great under him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:18:35
Charlton's new manager

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7iMMxRxqhnM


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:29:05
Charlton's new manager

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7iMMxRxqhnM

(https://c.tenor.com/WBSt2gcsNVMAAAAd/we-dont-care.gif)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:45:52
Charlton's new manager

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7iMMxRxqhnM

I'spose obsessing about Garner will at least replace obsessing about Port Vale.  ::)

He's left, good luck to him but we need to move on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 09:52:26
I'm certainly not obsessesed with him as a football fan just intrigued listening to what he had to say.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:08:42
Yesterday's news. No interest in what he has to say.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Boy About Town on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:09:22
I'm certainly not obsessesed with him as a football fan just intrigued listening to what he had to say.

You seem obsessed chap.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:10:05
Scrolling through twitter and one of his videos starting autoplaying and heard him say attacking high energy football and that was enough for me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:21:55
O tried to be magnanimous, but could only stomach 3 mins. Same bollocks he spouted here. Big club, massive opportunity, develop youth, philosophy, blah, blah, blah!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:29:28
I was expecting to mention us but he sounded soulless


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:31:47
I was expecting to mention us but he sounded soulless

So depressing to hear him talk. Reminds me of Luke Williams.

Hopefully this isn't a product of a lot of youth coaches if we're continuing with the model.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:42:46
I supported Garner while he was with us but never took to him as a tactician or person, this isn't sour grapes at him leaving, that doesn't bother me at all. I posted similar back in January.

Never have I been to "meh" about a manager leaving us for another club, ever, he was a dull uninspiring talker who never really engaged with fans at any level, his substitutions at times were bizarre and his tactics to constantly just pass the ball inspite of it being 2 yards in front of our goal just suicidal when just the occassional hoof would have suited the situation better, certainly in L2 with the players we had.

Admittedly in the last 7 games or so that changed somewhat and we did become better to watch due to us not playing as many hospital balls back to a keeper who struggled kicking it long.

Yes at times it was some great football to watch, breaking with pace down the wings and the middle but mostly it was keeping possession with 20 short passes inside our half only to have one stray pass be picked up by the opposition and regularly punished or at least a goal scoring chance was created.

I don't miss him and he barely registered on my radar as manager as he often kept himself to himself.

Nobody can blame him for leaving when the going was "pretty good" as he actually didnt really achieve anything other than being 1 penalty kick away from the play off final, a managers career is, of late, shorter than most player careers so make hay while the sun shines.

I bare no mallice to him and good luck for the future but I truly think we can, and will, do better than him as manager.

Thanks for 1 pretty good season against the odds at the start of the campaign, shame it wasnt a very good season in the end.

Now lets move on and support the new incoming young manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jimmy QuitMoaning on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:43:49
About right JJ


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:50:48
I supported Garner while he was with us but never took to him as a tactician or person, this isn't sour grapes at him leaving, that doesn't bother me at all. I posted similar back in January.

Never have I been to "meh" about a manager leaving us for another club, ever, he was a dull uninspiring talker who never really engaged with fans at any level, his substitutions at times were bizarre and his tactics to constantly just pass the ball inspite of it being 2 yards in front of our goal just suicidal when just the occassional hoof would have suited the situation better, certainly in L2 with the players we had.

Admittedly in the last 7 games or so that changed somewhat and we did become better to watch due to us not playing as many hospital balls back to a keeper who struggled kicking it long.

Yes at times it was some great football to watch, breaking with pace down the wings and the middle but mostly it was keeping possession with 20 short passes inside our half only to have one stray pass be picked up by the opposition and regularly punished or at least a goal scoring chance was created.

I don't miss him and he barely registered on my radar as manager as he often kept himself to himself.

Nobody can blame him for leaving when the going was "pretty good" as he actually didnt really achieve anything other than being 1 penalty kick away from the play off final, a managers career is, of late, shorter than most player careers so make hay while the sun shines.

I bare no mallice to him and good luck for the future but I truly think we can, and will, do better than him as manager.

Thanks for 1 pretty good season against the odds at the start of the campaign, shame it wasnt a very good season in the end.

Now lets move on and support the new incoming young manager.

Similar to Wellens for me.

Did well in a small window.
Donít think we were going to fully know what we had with Garner until season #2 which obviously we wonít get.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 10:52:10
I supported Garner while he was with us but never took to him as a tactician or person, this isn't sour grapes at him leaving, that doesn't bother me at all. I posted similar back in January.

Never have I been to "meh" about a manager leaving us for another club, ever, he was a dull uninspiring talker who never really engaged with fans at any level, his substitutions at times were bizarre and his tactics to constantly just pass the ball inspite of it being 2 yards in front of our goal just suicidal when just the occassional hoof would have suited the situation better, certainly in L2 with the players we had.

Admittedly in the last 7 games or so that changed somewhat and we did become better to watch due to us not playing as many hospital balls back to a keeper who struggled kicking it long.

Yes at times it was some great football to watch, breaking with pace down the wings and the middle but mostly it was keeping possession with 20 short passes inside our half only to have one stray pass be picked up by the opposition and regularly punished or at least a goal scoring chance was created.

I don't miss him and he barely registered on my radar as manager as he often kept himself to himself.

Nobody can blame him for leaving when the going was "pretty good" as he actually didnt really achieve anything other than being 1 penalty kick away from the play off final, a managers career is, of late, shorter than most player careers so make hay while the sun shines.

I bare no mallice to him and good luck for the future but I truly think we can, and will, do better than him as manager.

Thanks for 1 pretty good season against the odds at the start of the campaign, shame it wasnt a very good season in the end.

Now lets move on and support the new incoming young manager.

Exactly this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:14:07
I supported Garner while he was with us but never took to him as a tactician or person, this isn't sour grapes at him leaving, that doesn't bother me at all. I posted similar back in January.

Never have I been to "meh" about a manager leaving us for another club, ever, he was a dull uninspiring talker who never really engaged with fans at any level, his substitutions at times were bizarre and his tactics to constantly just pass the ball inspite of it being 2 yards in front of our goal just suicidal when just the occassional hoof would have suited the situation better, certainly in L2 with the players we had.

Admittedly in the last 7 games or so that changed somewhat and we did become better to watch due to us not playing as many hospital balls back to a keeper who struggled kicking it long.

Yes at times it was some great football to watch, breaking with pace down the wings and the middle but mostly it was keeping possession with 20 short passes inside our half only to have one stray pass be picked up by the opposition and regularly punished or at least a goal scoring chance was created.

I don't miss him and he barely registered on my radar as manager as he often kept himself to himself.

Nobody can blame him for leaving when the going was "pretty good" as he actually didnt really achieve anything other than being 1 penalty kick away from the play off final, a managers career is, of late, shorter than most player careers so make hay while the sun shines.

I bare no mallice to him and good luck for the future but I truly think we can, and will, do better than him as manager.

Thanks for 1 pretty good season against the odds at the start of the campaign, shame it wasnt a very good season in the end.

Now lets move on and support the new incoming young manager.

All in all Venks a steady 7/10 for me.
Canít see him lasting the season at Charlton.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:15:35
Similar to Wellens for me.

Did well in a small window.
Donít think we were going to fully know what we had with Garner until season #2 which obviously we wonít get.

Wellens was class, however we all have opinions.
Would have him every day over Foldy Arms.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:22:53
Wellens was class, however we all have opinions.
Would have him every day over Foldy Arms.

Class first season.
Atrocious second season.
Third season would have been an indication of which was the Ďtrueí Wellens.
His post STFC managerial stats are poor.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:28:49
I think all of the clubs that Wellens has been at have been basket cases for different reasons, so the championship season for us he deserves a lot of credit for, and for the overall job he did with fan engagement etc.

I really fancy LO for a strong season next year, and it's the first job he has had where you would say he is not at a real basket case club.  I personally think he will prove the doubters wrong in a relatively stable environment.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:44:24
Stroud Times reporting Cooper is in the frame


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:45:58
So if no announcement today, the bloke reporting a man in his 40s having a pic with a scarf above his head yesterday at the ground was probably yanking our chain.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, June 9, 2022, 11:47:48