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I'm thinking about applying.

I can’t think of a logical reason why, but is there a chance McGreal resigned so as to get re-employed by Clem under what might be a better contract?

Here’s the full list of possibles - there’s some corkers!

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

I dare say the people around Morfuni would have advised him to stick with McGreal so his exit will have them scrambling.

Everything within the club has temporarily stopped so the current odds are, in my opinion, hilarious.

In terms of the next manager... good luck to them! What a task.

Not too shabby

As it stands

1. Wollacott
2. Exeter bloke - can’t remember his name!
4. Dion Conroy (c) (DC - 2022)
5. Jonathan Grounds (DLC - 2022)
6. Mathieu Baudry (DC - 2022)  
8. Prett Bitman (ST - 2022)  
14. Ellis Iandolo (D/WBL/AML - 2022)
16. Akin Odimayo (DC - 2021)
18. Jack Payne (AMRLC - 2022)
19. Jordan Lyden (DM - 2022)
21. Taylor Curran (DC - 2023)
24. Rob Hunt (D/WBRL - 2022)
37. Harry Parsons (ST - YTS)

Wollacott
Exeter bloke.  Conroy.  Grounds/Baudry   Hunt
Odimayo.  Payne.  Lyden
Iandolo.  Brett.  Parsons

Not too shabby

What changed in two days from that statement that made it McGreal's decision to leave?

If Power has turned the taps off, perhaps they weren't paid on payday?

As it stands

1. Wollacott
2. Exeter bloke - can’t remember his name!
4. Dion Conroy (c) (DC - 2022)
5. Jonathan Grounds (DLC - 2022)
6. Mathieu Baudry (DC - 2022) 
8. Prett Bitman (ST - 2022) 
14. Ellis Iandolo (D/WBL/AML - 2022)
16. Akin Odimayo (DC - 2021)
18. Jack Payne (AMRLC - 2022)
19. Jordan Lyden (DM - 2022)
21. Taylor Curran (DC - 2023)
24. Rob Hunt (D/WBRL - 2022)
37. Harry Parsons (ST - YTS)

Wollacott
Exeter bloke.  Conroy.  Grounds/Baudry   Hunt
Odimayo.  Payne.  Lyden
Iandolo.  Brett.  Parsons

Not too shabby

It's not great either - defence is could be solid IFFFFF everyone stays fit.  But midfield is imbalanced and small and Parson's is an unknown and probably shouldn't be starting early doors

Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.

Power is history now. Why not wait a few days and see how the smoke clears.

The timing of this and his statement in the week is baffling.

Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.

Hopefully McGreal leaving doesn't affect the signing of Wollacott and Sweeney as both can't officially sign until 1st July.

Similar to the Akinfenwa deal under under Sturrock.

Do we have the new home & away kits out yet or are they on hold😀

Do we have the new home & away kits out yet or are they on hold😀

I believe training has been delayed until Thursday and, as it stands, the seniors will be training with the U18s.

going skins this year

Bouncing all over the place....well the hung ones will be😀

John Terry.

I still don't think we have heard the last of McGreal and Gilmartin. That's based on nothing more than it was an odd statement and we've heard nothing from either since

I sort of hope so purely because their exit is an unwanted headache. I'm certain that McGreal was Jewell's man so I don't expect them to return but you never know.

Also, I do wonder if any possible return would made difficult if contracts have been already officially terminated? Having new owners would equate to new negotiations etc.

Swindon. New regime on way wants Flynn at Newport as boss. Ben Chorley to replace Paul Jewell as director of football.

- via Nixon on Twitter

Swindon. New regime on way wants Flynn at Newport as boss. Ben Chorley to replace Paul Jewell as director of football.

- via Nixon on Twitter

Mike Flynn will not be our new manager of that I am certain.

Clem wont start his tenure paying compensation for a manager he will almost certainly have picked the new man a while ago when he conducted several interviews (allegedly).

I have a feeling we are not in for a "blow your socks off" 1st managerial appointment from Clem.

Before anyone asks… the last time we took another clubs manager was November 2020, when we appointed a man by the name of John Sheridan who was Wigan manager at the time.
That went well.

Not sure why Flynn would leave Newport. Spent a few years there building a team and they've been very close. Also his hometown team. Obviously we are a bigger club but right now, even with Clem in charge, we're still a mess.

If it did come off I'd be pretty happy, he's done a great job there although I can't say I was a fan of his style of football whenever we faced them. Seems like he may have adapted a bit last season so who knows.

Absolutely Flynn wouldnt leave a cushy job for a (on paper) basket case club, as for his style, when we played then they were terrible, hoofball and bully opponents but I saw them 3 times when Twine was there and they played a decent on the deck style which impressed me, it could be that he only had the players (and pitch) for hoofball previously.

As it stands though if you want to waste your money stick it on Flynn for the job.

I have a feeling we will all be "meh" about the new appointment, but in Clem we trust, when he is finally ratified.

Nixon is usually right.

Although 'wanting' somebody and 'getting' somebody is not necessarily the same thing.

Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone

Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone

Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone

Update from Noxin: Flynn will be the new manager. With Twine convinced to stay too. Chorley not coming. Was lost in translation. Someone said Robbie Fowler will be travelling down from his newly relocated Chorley, on occasion.

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Please take that with the most huge slice of sarcasm.


Seems several on here are in agreeance/incredibly ITK on who Town's next manager won't be...a case of "Nixon v The ITKers"...let battle commence.

Funny though...had Cowley said similar in that regard, he'd already be hung out to dry by several here. Think Berni mentioned similar the other day '...that's how it usually works isn't it?'. Yet here we are.

Some of you obviously know more than some and of course "can't say" but I didn't know some were already as close to Clem as Great Western Reds were/are in bed with Jamie Sendles-White  :pint:

FWIW - Jerome Flynn would be a better appointment than the previous managerial enigma.

Imagine a world where Power leaves and Taylor Curran remains? Biggest travesty is the pay off he will get.

When the two of them are gone it will be interesting to learn what was going on there. Caddis is is LSpod suggested he would talk more when appropriate i think.

I’d be up on the roof protesting if we appointed Jermone Flynn

Another exit rumour.

Curran has gone

Another reason we got relegated, playing with only 10 pro’s each game. Hopefully this fraudulent agreement of having a mates son playing in return for financial favours will see another nail in Powers coffin when he inevitably is investigated for financial wrong doings. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up doing time.

Another reason we got relegated, playing with only 10 pro’s each game. Hopefully this fraudulent agreement of having a mates son playing in return for financial favours will see another nail in Powers coffin when he inevitably is investigated for financial wrong doings. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up doing time.

But, at least, Anton Rodgers was a passable footballer. The other 2 . . .

Dukes already commented regarding it. I personally think it's got legs in it

My point was I thought he said it would
be a manager out of work, which obviously Flynn isn’t. If I’ve missed a post, then my bad.

Anton Rogers  :girlgiggle:

Guffaw, guffaw, from our in house Barrister.

I have been called worse  :clap:

Guffaw, guffaw, from our in house Barrister.

You miss spelt McDonalds barista.

I get a free meal every shift

I get a free meal every shift

The fact that no betting firm has put up odds on this appointment makes me feel whoever it is, it’s already a done deal.

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

They aren’t actually a bookies. Those odds were linked to BetVictor on Friday and have since been taken down.

All signs point to Clem having chosen his new manager already as you stated earlier.

They aren’t actually a bookies. Those odds were linked to BetVictor on Friday and have since been taken down.

I don't see any Swindon manager odds on BV site.

https://www.betvictor.com/en-gb/sports/240/meetings/441511110/events/1501957400/market_group/3538

If you go to menu - football - specials - manager specials it has markets for Palace, Wrexham, Fulham, Barnsley, Spurs and Swindon.

Cooper - 11/10
Flynn - 13/8
Fowler 16/1
Tisdale 16/1

Care to put up a screenshot of the BetVictor odds as of today?

It's a lazy list. People chucking money away.

I expect to see Dave Mitchell enter the reckoning in the near future

I expect to see Dave Mitchell enter the reckoning in the near future

Seeing as Sheena Easton isn't Antipodean, how about Kylie Minogue, with Danni as CEO and Jason Donovan assistant manager?

Seeing as Sheena Easton isn't Antipodean, how about Kylie Minogue, with Danni as CEO and Jason Donovan assistant manager?

I guess Savage Garden would be looking after our pitch?

To be fair the muppet Rolf would have done a better job than Sheridan

Zero chance of a new manager coming in. In near future. Unlikely Clem will take control before September

You are anti-clem then, get the fuck off the forum.

You seem so angry

Maybe it's my meds...

Zero chance of a new manager coming in. In near future. Unlikely Clem will take control before September

You are anti-clem then, get the fuck off the forum.

New info.

not sure how I feel about that given I'm not sure how I feel about Garner.

it doesn't seem unreasonable, but results will dictate that

New info.

not sure how I feel about that given I'm not sure how I feel about Garner.

it doesn't seem unreasonable, but results will dictate that

yes Duke, let's see if fears are realised. if they are I would hope the advisory board lay out accounts to show why

I think we'll keep the core of the current squad and I'd like to think we'd improve on it. Loans are a necessity at this level, as much as I dislike it, every other club does it and by not doing it we're missing out on good talent for low cost and that will put us at a disadvantage. I'm not expecting a huge rebuild. The players enjoy it here and it would take big offers for them to leave.

Garner gets a pass for this season purely because of the shit that's happened but next year he'll be under a lot of scrutiny... and not just from the fans. If we have strong recruitment in the summer and the decent crowds continue and we're not challenging next year I don't think he'll last the season.

Unfortunately in L1 and L2 many teams rely very heavily on loan players, if you strike lucky and have 2 or 3 good loan signings there is a great chance you will have a brilliant season.

Look at Blackpool in L1 last season, they had 3 excellent loans including Simms from Everton who bagged a goal every other game, him signing in January changed their season from mediocrity to a promotion one. Also us with Yates and Doyle in L2.

Bristol Rovers season has hinged on them making loan signings Thomas, Connelly, Taylor and Anderson, 3 of those in January kickstarted their season.

Our season faltered losing Simpson but the other loan signings JOB, Cooper, Barry and Tomlinson have made a difference when fit with Davison the only one qho I consider to be inferior to the player they all replaced.

Here is the loan player count for each club in current league position order, there is little correlation between less loans=better team etc as the 3 sides with 6 current loan players are spread out at 7, 15 and 24th with 9 clubs having 5 loan players and 8 with 4 loanees, leaving only 4 teams with 1 or 2.

FGR - 2
Exeter - 4
Port Vale - 4
Mansfield - 5
Northampton - 5
B Rovers - 5
Newport - 6
Salford - 2
Tranmere - 4
Sutton - 1
Swindon - 5
Crawley - 4
Hartlepool - 5
Orient - 5
Bradford - 6
Rochdale - 4
Harrogate - 5
Walsall - 4
Carlisle - 5
Colchester - 5
Barrow - 4
Oldham - 1
Stevenage - 4
Scunthorpe - 6

I think its about having that strong spine to the team and then supplementing with loan players, next season we can't run the risk of relying so heavily (deliberately) on a loan player that like Simpson if he gets injured or recalled then it disrupts the promotion push.

I expect nothing less than a strong promotion push next season with the aim to get into L1 (lets face it its very unlikely to happen this season now).

I don't expect Clem to chuck silly money at a promotion push but would expect with the embargo lifted able to sign a slightly better class of player by paying more in wages, and if possible and required small transfer fee.

Expecting similar things next season - some good results and perhaps a decent run at some point.  Ultimately, however, the season will end with a finish between 8th to 12th place.

A bit more investment is unlikely to compete with those clubs coming down from div 3 and those coming up from the conference.

absolute pointless speculation and guess work.

So hardly out of place on this forum  :girlgiggle:

Think our current structure leaves us in a good position for things like this, assuming we keep Chorley and the back room staff.

Hey, he could barely win a game at home. Not overly fussed about this one.

Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to follow…..

Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to follow…..

Nixon saying Reed and Williams expected to follow…..

True character?  Wanting to take your career up a level doesn't show a lack of character.  It shows ambition.

This is hardly the end of the world.  Garner had talent, but he had faults/weaknesses as well.  Plenty of time to find a replacement.  Not ideal, but we'll manage and we'll move on.

True character?  Wanting to take your career up a level doesn't show a lack of character.  It shows ambition.

This is hardly the end of the world.  Garner had talent, but he had faults/weaknesses as well.  Plenty of time to find a replacement.  Not ideal, but we'll manage and we'll move on.

il chuck in a name that i would be absolutely desperate for. Michael Carrick- he got to the final 2 of the lincoln job i think. Has a link to swindon, unbelievable player and would have great contacts in the game. When i saw he was job hunting i was thinking to myself its a shame we dont have a vacancy!

il chuck in a name that i would be absolutely desperate for. Michael Carrick- he got to the final 2 of the lincoln job i think. Has a link to swindon, unbelievable player and would have great contacts in the game. When i saw he was job hunting i was thinking to myself its a shame we dont have a vacancy!

Is Garner leaving confirmed or just speculation🤔

Amazed at how many of you are happy to wave him off into the sunset. I'd be reasonably confident that with a more settled squad, lessons learned from this season, a full pre season etc that we could really push for autos with Garner next season. The grass is rarely greener.

After all, to quote one of our former managers, "It's Swindon Town".

the Reed and Williams following thing... that's the kick in the balls if it happens

Where are people getting Reed and Williams following from? Has that been reported?

fans putting two & two together & getting FIVE.

More turmoil the club could do without

People are talking about it like its a formality.

Pure speculation and stirring (IMO). :sherlock:

We had the same thing with Mark Cooper when he was supposedly off to Sheffield Wednesday in 2015 and it didn't happen.  
 
Ill believe it when its official, if true what kind of figure could we expect compensation wise? :hmmm:

It’s hardly turmoil - it’s football.
It happens literally every other week.

Funny thing is after the Leyton Orient home game he would have had precisely no chance of any other job and that was only 6 games ago. We would have probably been spending the summer debating whether he was the right man for the job as well. It’s only really the run of 4 wins to creep into the playoffs that got fans on board so I think that’s why most people are nonplussed.

It could be turmoil as we don't know the reasons behind him leaving unless you can enlighten us

Pretty straightforward, he's had an offer from a club in a higher division, great opportunity for his managerial career

John McGreal anyone?

John McGreal anyone?

You're probably right but there's been plenty of murmurs on here about the players budget being slashed etc so there could be stuff going on behind the scenes he's not happy about.

Minded to agree. A known quantity, with the factors mentioned above in his favour approaching his second season.

That we operated with only one senior striker in our squad and topped the charts for goals is remarkable in hindsight.

I’d be happy with Carrick or Mason…but have a feeling it will be someone none of us have heard of.

One thing Garner also deserves credit for is the man management of McKirdy. Any new manager will have to manage him (no easy task I’d imagine), or have a 20 goal striker up their sleeve. Very annoyed by all this. I was hoping we could get on and start announcing new signings within the next week or so. This puts the whole summer plan back and the board need to be shrewd. Nobody had heard of Ryan Manning 2 years ago, and he’s now one of the brightest young manager in the country, so we need to be open minded.

If we act fast, and make the right appointment, you never know, the new manager may convince the core of this team to stay and we can build rather than restart.

If Charlton are looking at our level for their next manager why didn’t they approach Taylor at Exeter?

One thing Garner also deserves credit for is the man management of McKirdy. Any new manager will have to manage him (no easy task I’d imagine), or have a 20 goal striker up their sleeve. Very annoyed by all this. I was hoping we could get on and start announcing new signings within the next week or so. This puts the whole summer plan back and the board need to be shrewd. Nobody had heard of Ryan Manning 2 years ago, and he’s now one of the brightest young manager in the country, so we need to be open minded.

If we act fast, and make the right appointment, you never know, the new manager may convince the core of this team to stay and we can build rather than restart.

Hoping we don’t see Ben Chorley leave for pastures new as well… do Charlton have a DOF?

Ben Garner and Johnnie Jackson to pass each other on the m4?

Had a free hit and fell short but hit a height of expectation that was not expected!

Morfuni said in a statement released by the club that he was keen to implement a DoF and head coach model rather than a traditional manager "because I want continuity to run through the club."

Morfuni went on to highlight that if the head coach moves on for whatever reason, the philosophy of the club remains the same and the playing staff would then not need "a complete overhaul" every summer.

JJ was just appointed AFC Wimbledon manager

Luke Garrard would be a good choice, done a great job at Boreham Wood.

From a pure football appointment not bitterly disappointed but he has done well first season.
Was a cheap option and brought in to develop and coach young players - he passed that test.

As a Manager I have my reservations and still believe a yes Man controlled from the top.
Can’t see Chorley staying and actually thought he would be going before Garner.

Just wondering the intent now from Hierarchy at the top and what they do next?
As this seasons model will be the same as last, cheap young loanees and development, I would think another Garner type coach will be brought in.
The debt is being reduced and no doubt ground purchase and an asset appears to be the main priority however the fans have backed the project and need to see investment on the pitch.

We need to be competing in the top 6 clubs at least in this division for talent.
Last season a free hit, this one we simply have to be challenging a top 3 finish.

Interesting month ahead.

Shit from Garner. Don't think he'll last the season at Charlton who won't accept anything less than promotion it seems (probably could say the same about us next season)

Throws some instability into the momentum that was building and that is incredibly disappointing. I wasn't too gutted at Vale because I thought we'd have a real crack next season and this certainly puts a spanner in

Into the Valley.  :band:

At least it’s good timing relatively speaking, signings never really start to happen until contracts expire in another month or so and that’s Chorley’s job anyway.

No reason why a new gaffer can’t be in place by whenever the players report back for preseason and disruption will be minimal

Very interesting month. Think you will be spot on about Chorley, i can see the whole management team including him there at Charlton. Garner really leans on them and Chorley in particular

They already have Steve Gallen in a "DOF" type role. Different title mind, but role seems basically the same.

Fuck, let’s roll it back and hire Paolo Di Canio…and win this league anyway…

Fuck, let’s roll it back and hire Paolo Di Canio…and win this league anyway…

How long did it take you to get over the first bird who dumped you?

Some of the names people are suggesting on social media show truly how out of touch with reality or common sense some fans are.

Who's being mentioned?  Could do with a laugh.

Really don't fancy going down the old warrior dog path, not that Clem, Angus and Chorley would want to anyway but suggestions like that demonstrate that all some people want is PAAASHHHHONNNN!!!!!!

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Picaretta is possibly a reasonable target. Has said he's keen a few times before.

Cristiano as player manager.  You read it here FIRST!

I'm going for free agent Gareth Bale😀

Seen Jonathan Woodgate been mentioned a few times.

Charlton fan comments on Twitter appear underwhelmed.  Will be interesting to see how his playing style/philosophy translates to League 1.  If anything, I think it could be more effective with a slightly higher calibre of player with better technical abilities.

Charlton fans seem thoroughly underwhelmed from what I’ve read.

Gone before Christmas. Never been so underwhelmed

Ben fucking who are you Garner.

Deflating news. Not excited at all.

Nah. This isn't what I was expecting. This is a shocking move. Fs

All for giving people a chance but have to admit I am underwhelmed. Meant to play attacking football which is good but surprised by this.

Ben Garner … Totally underwhelmed.

Fully expecting most people to be underwhelmed by this but he’s clearly done a good job at Swindon. At least we can press ahead with plans to get players in now. Certainly 1 or 2 at Swindon I’d be taking a look at.

I will say Swindon impressed me last season when I watched them, played good attacking football. They played Forest Green Rovers off the park away from home. They looked good against City in FA cup, although City’s class showed.

What a load of shit,,, a manger who can’t even get a team out of league two. Sangard hasn’t a clue what he is doing, taking us backwards

Massively underwhelmed.

I'll admit, despite not seeing any Swindon or knowing much outside of this thread about Garner, it is a bit underwhelming compared to Beale, Taylor and even Moris given what's been said about them.
But!
 He is supposed to play a high press to beat down the low block with attacking football so hopefully we get to see some clear development and a "style".
Edit: after reading the one Swindon fans view, maybe it'll take  a little while to get there... But as long as we do..

What on earth is he playing at. I wonder if people will continue to worship the ground that Sandgaard walks on after this appointment, absolutely bizarre.

I want to get out of this league! How did Swindon get on
this year?

People spitting their dummies out that we've signed a young, attacking-minded coach that is known to play good football. Jackson in comparison is just young.
I guess because he's not a 'name' people are not going to give him a chance.
Has been praised throughout his coaching and managerial career and his Swindon season after starting out in July with 7 players was great.

Ben fucking Garner.  Nothing against him & really hope he does well, but that's seriously underwhelming & so disappointing

McKirdy and their right back at the end of the season (Egbo?) looked decent, but I am severely underwhelmed by this

Wake up call to how shit we really are I suppose

Shambles if appointed

He got the boot from Bristol Rovers and couldn’t even get Swindon out of League two, can hardly see the season ticket sales going through the roof. This was the opportunity for Sangard to make a statement and hires a bloke from a team in the lowest league

Happy if he signs McKirdy
Not happy if he plays Davison.

We’ve faffed around for weeks and ended up with a league 2 manager who couldn’t achieve promotion from league 2, we need a good start to the season, or the fans will get on his back.

Seeing the mess Swindon were in was surprised to see them in the play offs so welcome Ben and good luck.

Fucking dreadful. Wife and her family are Rovers fans, he was useless there. Hated.

realistically will he make it past Christmas?

I would love Simon Ferry just for the interviews...
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It is depressing.  For all of the chat about who might come in, what their footballing philosophy might be, who they know and who their contacts are - we need to accept that the next appointment is also likely to be short term.  And that we're likely to be having the same conversation all over again in 12-18 months from now.

Surprised? Yes.
Disappointed? A bit
Conclusion? It’s Swindon isn’t it. To coin a phrase.

Got over the play off defeat more or less straight away. Got over this by the time I went to bed last night.

Yes Garner does rely on Chorley but I can't see Chorley going anywhere with Garner if he does go, his 2 assistants though...yes at least 1 will follow him for sure if not both Lindsey and Marshall.

I'll keep one eye on Charlton's home form this season

Yes Garner does rely on Chorley but I can't see Chorley going anywhere with Garner if he does go, his 2 assistants though...yes at least 1 will follow him for sure if not both Lindsey and Marshall.

I had heard that Chroley was a bit more than just DoF and was actively involved in transfers, tactics and team picking as well as style, maybe he will step up and take the managers job now?

From a pure football appointment not bitterly disappointed but he has done well first season.
Was a cheap option and brought in to develop and coach young players - he passed that test.

As a Manager I have my reservations and still believe a yes Man controlled from the top.
Can’t see Chorley staying and actually thought he would be going before Garner.

Just wondering the intent now from Hierarchy at the top and what they do next?
As this seasons model will be the same as last, cheap young loanees and development, I would think another Garner type coach will be brought in.
The debt is being reduced and no doubt ground purchase and an asset appears to be the main priority however the fans have backed the project and need to see investment on the pitch.

We need to be competing in the top 6 clubs at least in this division for talent.
Last season a free hit, this one we simply have to be challenging a top 3 finish.

Interesting month ahead.

And Tomlinson will stay here as part of the deal!

Think you are wrong about Chorley. He's very close with Clem and reckon he's very much a big part of the glue that makes/is going to make this 'project' work.

Also you seem to be a bit disparaging about the 'cheap young loanees'. I'd say apart from Gilbert Grape our loanees were on the whole a success. If KKH, Louis Barry, Cooper, Simpson etc are cheap young loanees then I'm more than happy. It's now maybe unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility that Simpson, Tomlinson and Davison could actually become permanent showing that the loan system might not be as throwaway as you make it sound.

Tomlinson the Peterborough player?

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

Some dreadful names on that list. Would be happy with either Mason or Carrick.

https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackrace/teams/swindon-town

Some dreadful names on that list. Would be happy with either Mason or Carrick.

Cant speak for Duke but the issue I have with lots of loans is - ultimately we are improving other teams players at the expense of our own and it’s an even shorter term option that contracted player (who are usually on a 1 or 2 year deal)

I’d agree with you the majority of our loans this season were good but ultimately we’re back to square one now they’ve all gone - we have nothing to show for their time here.

Charlton fans reckon Garner is just a name on a list - definitely not appointed yet.

Micheal Beale it is then.

Micheal Beale it is then.

Charlton fans reckon Garner is just a name on a list - definitely not appointed yet.

They wish….*maybe*

Haha Sol Campbell, would be good for shits and giggles at the reaction if it happened

Is Sheridan still with Oldham?

Thing is with Campbell the jury is still pretty much out on his abilities or otherwise as a manager having been employed to date in two complete basket cases.

I'm not meh about it. Had a real chance to build on his excellent work this season with a good squad,the majority of which may have stayed and now may not. The disruption which may follow if some of those players leave may be too much to mount a similar challenge. That's my fear.

Yeah think Campbell has done ok with what he’s had to work with tbh.
Wouldn’t be first choice but would be alright with him being appointed.

This.

Apart from Hoddle, Ardiles, Macari and even Di Canio to a lesser extent, I have never been too disappointed when managers move on or get sacked as it is in the nature of professional football that continuity of service these days is quite rare in all aspects of the day to day running of a club be it players, managers, back room staff etc.. This latest revelation however has me more concerned about where we are heading considering a week ago we could have been Wembley bound and even Divvy 1 bound, and now looks as if we are floundering around looking for a new manager and back up staff and even more importantly players to take us out of this bloody Division.

the model now put in place by Clem and Angus, in effect, should allow for coaches to be able to move on and be replaced and work under Chorley as DOF. Of course far from ideal and it's obviously not going to be seamless, but it should be less of a massive overhaul you would have thought.

Does anyone have any idea what 2 years of Compo might be for us?

I know it's not the be all and end all but can you see him being able to manage McKirdy?

Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?

They have a big pitch don't they? His style of football might work there, but as you say it will be interesting to see.

Well, it’s compo for Garner and the 2 Scotts.  Combined salaries - 2 years would be about £300,000+

Probably not.
Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?

He says he likes wide pitches but all too often we were exposed down the wings by a long cross field ball.
So really what he means is he like a wide pitch for attacking but a narrow fucker to defend.
Unsure if I'm pissed off not bothered or happy, some games were good some were fucking atrocious.
It's Swindon what do we expect, let's get another big name to get us going again.

Probably not.
Can you see McKirdy scoring another 20 goals next season or do we think his career has peaked?

Not sure how I feel about this news. On one hand it's worrying that a manager feels the need to jump ship at the first opportunity. Has he been told the budget will be reduced next season? Do we lack ambition?

He says he likes wide pitches but all too often we were exposed down the wings by a long cross field ball.
So really what he means is he like a wide pitch for attacking but a narrow fucker to defend.

Nixon saying it's not done yet.

Nixon saying it's not done yet.

Has he said he's interested in the job?

Nobody has said fuck all, tbh.

All I can add is, whatever happens, I'm confident in Morfuni and Angus, and hopefully Chorley as well. They have formed a plan, and, whether this is a shock to them or not, I believe they will do their best to ensure that plan develops.

Has he said he's interested in the job?

I'm not ITK but i've been hearing this is far from a done deal but it seems Garner has been interviewed. I personally don't give a shit but if he doesn't get the job I can't see it being very comfortable for Garner for a lot of our fanbase.

Interviewed before agreeing compensation?

Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. There’s no way he could continue as he’s shown he actively considering other jobs.

That’s the norm.

Seems likely to me that the Charlton owner has screwed him over.

Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. There’s no way he could continue as he’s shown he actively considering other jobs.

Once he has been interviewed then his position here is untenable. There’s no way he could continue as he’s shown he actively considering other jobs.
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Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Seems likely to me that the Charlton owner has screwed him over.

Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Somebody has leaked it to the press, if it was kept quiet and he didn't get the job then we would be none the wiser.

what if he went, thought he would be better staying here for now given the terms/budget Charlton offered and ended it himself?
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anyway, Garner is going to FGR ;)

Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Because this isn’t like a normal job, you have the massive complication of fans. We all know a manager would leave if he gets a better offer but to be actively looking at other jobs shows he isn’t committed and fans won’t tolerate that. Add in the player side where it will be harder to attract players when the managers position is uncertain then it makes it untenable.

Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

I appreciate this is the perceived wisdom - but its a load of shit. I can't see mobs of pitchfork wielding fans marching to the County ground over this I really can't. Bit of a balls up granted, but I don't think his position should be untenable.

Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Sorry - you aren't allowed to consider other jobs if you're football manager? Why is it different to any other job in the world?

Because this isn’t like a normal job, you have the massive complication of fans. We all know a manager would leave if he gets a better offer but to be actively looking at other jobs shows he isn’t committed and fans won’t tolerate that. Add in the player side where it will be harder to attract players when the managers position is uncertain then it makes it untenable.

He's had an interview with a team a division higher, would pay more and be closer to home. You can't exactly shoot him for that.

Garner

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My employment history, ironically

My employment history, ironically

Somebody has leaked it to the press, if it was kept quiet and he didn't get the job then we would be none the wiser.

BBC West reporting that we have "refused to comment", which suggests (to me anyway) that he IS going but some details (i.e. compensation) still have to be sorted

BBC West reporting that we have "refused to comment", which suggests (to me anyway) that he IS going but some details (i.e. compensation) still have to be sorted

Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

I have just received a fax from Steve Lomas who says he has already signed a deal

I have just received a fax from Steve Lomas who says he has already signed a deal

Assistant to Sheena Easton.

Assistant to Sheena Easton.

Assistant to Sheena Easton.

Can’t believe this has dragged on all day.

The Swindon way is to announce stuff at 5pm. Still 90mins to go  :D :D

On a Friday. May need to add another 24 hours

Sol Campbell leads the bookies list😱

Flynn for me, as per my opinion last time we needed a new manager

Had he left Walsall?  not been on most of the day

I doubt we will be poaching anyone

I doubt we will be poaching anyone

Not unless its Luke Garrard. We could probably stretch to that.

That would be as depressing as a penalty shoot out in Burslem.

Liam Rosenior is somebody I would look at if we wanted an untried option..

Would it have been Garner who offered Payne,Parsons and Egbo contracts?If so,and he knew about Charlton,could that be seen as a bit dodgy?

I read that too quickly and thought you were talking about his old man for a second, which I would've questioned your sanity over!

The silence from the club is deafening, so I expect it is just a case of working out the compo at the moment.

I'm sure the replacement will be a Prem or Championship academy coach, or maybe an up and comer from the conference? Challinor has done a good job at Stockport, but I suppose would want to give League Two a crack with them rather than move.

The Swindon way is to announce stuff at 5pm. Still 90mins to go  :D :D

People calling some names mentioned varying degrees of unrealistic (Carrick, Dyche, Mason, etc.) but I would argue we've appointed many managers that would have seemed unrealistic at the time and even in the fourth tier.

Campbell? Can we start a petition,like,quick?
Bloke couldn't even beat Zak Goldsmith in the race to be Tory Mayoral candidate for London.

Have we ever poached an in-work manager?

I understand what you are saying, but Dyche, really?   The other 2 have some logic and like the others were all new managers but adding Dyche removes all credibility.   Appreciate his name has been mentioned but only by wind up merchants, crack heads and 5 year olds.
It's not just left field it's a different multiverse.

Sheridan…. If you’d count that.

Howard?

Howard?

Just taken a call from one of my mates (ITK). Luc Nijholt is the next man in. Clem wanted someone with a previous link to the club.

I’d give Matty Taylor the job myself, see how he does working with Chorley.

Bit of a gamble no? Good player, not quite convinced he currently has the minerals to get us up at the first attempt which surely must be our aim.

With the "previous link to the club" in mind and no one has mentioned his name yet is Colin Calderwood? :hmmm:

I know a week ago he was supposedly of to Swansea, but no official confirmation on the swans website! 

https://www.nottinghamforest.news/2022/05/23/ex-nottingham-forest-coach-colin-calderwood-set-for-swansea-role/

No different to Garner.

I laughed.

Howard?

Calderwood? Good God, no.

wellens was a good relationship, but he told some lies, cheated on us and went off with another club. he has been with a few others since and i just dont know if i could take him back. i couldn't trust him not to run off again. its a no from me.

go get carrick cmon clem.

I think this is such a bad take. Wellens won the league, and is a far better manager than Garner. 'Cheated with us and went off with another club' - you remember what a cluster fuck it was behind the scenes last year, i blame nobody for leaving with the cunt power in charge and given what was going on. He's also damaged goods now, far less likely to be taken from us now he has had those spells elsewhere. I would take him back immediately, but doubt we are getting him out of orient.

Orient fans getting twitchy

then say it! don't publicly preach loyalty and piss off to the league below. not once did he site ownership problems as a reason for leaving or say power was a problem.

“First and foremost, it was to be closer to my family – I’ve lived near Salford for 25 years, and secondly, Salford is a club that wants to be ambitious. They’re the main two.

anyway old news. he's never coming back and I wouldn't want him to

On the subject of ex managers, there were rumours of Mark Cooper last summer. If he were to get the job I’d almost certainly have a break from attending as I really can’t stand him and couldn’t bring myself to support him.

I'm with you on this,as well

Late night tweets from the Charlton owner

have you got a link.to the tweets Aud? I can't find them

Very very average manager who was carried by Luke Williams whilst he was here. Managerial skills aside, he’s a proper nasty bloke and a real shit person, wouldn’t want him anywhere near club.

Late night tweets from the Charlton owner

wellens was a good relationship, but he told some lies, cheated on us and went off with another club. he has been with a few others since and i just dont know if i could take him back. i couldn't trust him not to run off again. its a no from me.

go get carrick cmon clem.

My spidey sense says it will be Mark Delaney

I'm calling Fake News. The screenshots don't look like Twitter (no handle etc) and I can't find those posts anywhere.

May not be twitter. I don’t do much social media stuff so it could be one of the others. That shot was contained within someone else’s tweet

I read somewhere that their chairman was sending messages via Linkedin so it could have been there?

May not be twitter. I don’t do much social media stuff so it could be one of the others. That shot was contained within someone else’s tweet

Fair enough. To me it looks like somebody's chucked it together on Photoshop or similar but who knows.

Ah could be, does look like it. Again though, wouldn't be surprised if it's someone havign us all on. Time will tell.

I'm calling Fake News. The screenshots don't look like Twitter (no handle etc) and I can't find those posts anywhere.

Neither club are saying very much, nay, anything at all. I'd hope at the very least we might put out a statement giving some sort of update.

Can anyone post pics of this? Or send a link?

Screenshot attached  ???

A link to the tweets..As said above nobody can find them..

If bookies have suspended bets it looks to be done anyway.

Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.

Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.

Oooh the Kostiuk meltdown would be glorious.


Another in contract though.

Micheal Duff, Cheltenham.

Oooh the Kostiuk meltdown would be glorious.


Another in contract though.

On his way to Barnsley.

I read it was LinkedIn that those comments came from.

hurry the fuck up and fuck off if you are indeed fucking off Garner

I’ve always been very surprised at the fact Duff is still at Cheltenham. He deserves a big move, and I was surprised he wasn’t in the running for the Burnley job (or, didn’t seem to be). He would be a superb appointment, and it may be realistic. He’s tied to the area, wouldn’t need to move, and would be at a club with a higher ceiling than Cheltenham. I would still be surprised, not because Cheltenham are in League One, but because I’d expect him to be after jobs like QPR and Barnsley…

So, what do we reckon. A weekend of more speculation?

Just sack the fucker.

So, what do we reckon. A weekend of more speculation?

Just sack the fucker.

sack him for what..

presumably he'd want compensation on his contract

sack him for what..

presumably he'd want compensation on his contract

Sack Ben for being unloyal...disloyal. And for joining in fun that excludes his employer.

Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they can’t just ignore supporters.

do you honestly think nobody asked him on the sly?

like I said, this order makes sense for Charlton

Sack Ben for being unloyal...disloyal. And for joining in fun that excludes his employer.

Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they can’t just ignore supporters.

But you’re not going to agree compo with Clem first if you’ve tapped Garner up on the sly. You’ve still got to play the game of doing it above board.

Compo is the last thing

The sun is shining and I am not going to fret in the meantime

Still think the club are stupid not releasing some kind of holding statement at least. Whether they like it or not it has been leaked so they can’t just ignore supporters.

This... Reading so much what ifs and people getting depressed over what-ifs doesn't help anyone

Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.

Control the controllables.

Fwiw I did speculate that an update from the club would be a good idea even if there wasn't a lot to say. But then I suppose the fans would moan about pointless statements being put out so they probably can't win either way.

Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.

I’ve got the feeling it’s all gone tits up and both parties are taking time out to decide how to spin it.

Sounds like the conservative government again.  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

This story originated in the South London Press - it could be that they got it wrong / made an assumption which was incorrect.
Then the Forums went into overdrive as it’s a bit early for most new player signing announcements and we all need something to speculate about in the close season.
The fact that neither Club is saying anything doesn’t mean they are behaving shiftily - clubs don’t deny every spurious transfer rumour.

This story originated in the South London Press - it could be that they got it wrong / made an assumption which was incorrect.
Then the Forums went into overdrive as it’s a bit early for most new player signing announcements and we all need something to speculate about in the close season.
The fact that neither Club is saying anything doesn’t mean they are behaving shiftily - clubs don’t deny every spurious transfer rumour.

Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there

Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.

Well whatever the score, the club know what is going on and trust me as has been the case in the past there will be many applications flooding in for the vacancy should Garner go.

Surely, the first thing is to find out if he wants the job.

Same with transfers, the fee is always negotiated in the end.

In this instance, it was reported that compo had been agreed. That should have been the end of it.

Jesus, there are some very needy people who use this site.

Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.

Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there and then miss the target

I think most people want Garner gone now

I think we can assume that negotiations are ongoing. If there was nothing in it the club or Garner would have issued a denial by now.

My guess is Mark Delaney will be announced as replacement as they announce Garner leaving.

Absolutely this. We are a progressive exciting club for an ambitious coach. Would love a 'name' but suspect its more likely to be someone we are relatively unfamiliar with from a higher leagues teams' academy.

Not sure its so much this as he blatantly isnt happy or he would have turned down their offer, hes made his bed now.

Maybe he wants to move back to London closer to his roots in Kent, maybe they are offering him a lot more in wages and bonuses (probably), maybe they have said to him he can have a free rein in the transfer market, all maybes.

My guess is that Garner probably knows he is only 1 bad run away from being sacked probably and has let us know Charlton were interested and if he wants to go we have said off you go then. I would not be shocked at all if when it's all announced we announce a replacement very quickly

Sums up Garner as a manager that becoming Charlton manager is even taking ages to get there

Indeed, and in the same mold as Garner such as Delaney/Beale or similar.

Well, if you take Clem at his word, it’d have to be someone of that ilk.

Supposed to be a seamless replacement, implementing what we already have in terms of style, recruitment etc.

I feel the Delaney link is just circumstancial with timing. Know he officially left at the same time Garner was interview by Charlton, but he was reported as leaving Villa over 3 weeks ago.

He left on May 20th, the day before Swindon gave Charlton permission to approach Garner.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/20/mark-delaney-departs-academy/

Sounds more like a probable than a coincidence to me.

it certainly won't effect recruitment and fundamental style of play you'd think.

imagine bringing a flutcroft type in after getting Reed and Williams signed up

Nigel Clough anyone?

About to be sacked...

Nigel Clough anyone?

About to be sacked...

No chance they will sack him

Reading a Charlton forum. Their owner, Thomas Sandgaard is a narcissist. He is not back into the country until next week. So it may be that everything is waiting for that.

He left on May 20th, the day before Swindon gave Charlton permission to approach Garner.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/may/20/mark-delaney-departs-academy/

Sounds more like a probable than a coincidence to me.

On the Charlton forum it said Garner was interviewed on the 21st. If done correctly, that suggests initial contact must have been made before that date.

How reliable is the source on the Charlton forum

exactly. if it was total bollocks it could be squashed by garner or the club in about 2 minutes.

why would they do that? For clarity to playing targets. for those specials who 'aren't renewing until they get clarity' ( I'd guess there is about 2 there).

not saying it wasn't as done as the journo thought. not saying it'll happen.

Maybe the players who are renewing contracts may know fully what's going on,

Playing targets are being given the full info through all the discussions....

I never understood why the Journo's don't keep their mouths shut and what they have to gain from it

I never understood why the Journo's don't keep their mouths shut and what they have to gain from it

I thought he was joking

Am I missing something?

Can somebody explain how the budget could possibly be smaller next season than it was this season?

Debt significantly reduced, Big Crowds, more sponsorships etc etc.