The new, new manager thread. Thread closed.

[Hyabb17]

yeah, it's directly from the end of here

https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/628fba3a8137c/mens-first-team-to-travel-to-spain-for-pre-season-training-camp

Cue an announcement this afternoon  

[bathford]

If CAFC decide against BG, is his position untenable?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Yes

[Batch]

Cue an announcement this afternoon  

100% guaranteed*

* not a guarantee

If CAFC decide against BG, is his position untenable?

Difficult one. The club say "he's decided to stay at Swindon" then what?
He's going to be under enormous pressure to get the team into at least the playoffs early on. But wasn't he anyway?

[Power to people]

He clearly wanted to talk to Charlton which means he does not see his long term future here

[Townend80]

Budget definately being cut, thats 100% true.

ALL the players offered new terms have been offered reduced terms from their previous contracts, Chorley wanted by Charlton and Orient, staff cuts due soon too, not 1st team staff but staff cuts in the background to save money.

Zavier admitting that extra debt has been found, he mentioned several million.

Club is pulling in purse strings, that came from Zaviers mouth at the sponsors evening.

BS if I was a creditor and was owed ‘millions’ o would not wait a full year to make myself known.

Scaremongering lies

[Batch]

He clearly wanted to talk to Charlton which means he does not see his long term future here

Indeed, but (even ignoring recent conversations) we surely can't afford to sack him out of his contract.

[Power to people]

Indeed, but (even ignoring recent conversations) we surely can't afford to sack him out of his contract.

That is the catch 22 surely, do we keep him and fear that if he gets off to a good start another club will offer him a job and he will be off leaving us looking for a new manager and hope a new manager  can work with existing players or do we decide to keep Garner and and hope he decides to stay and not walk at first opportunity.

Also, with it out there, fans will have less patience with him the first sign of a couple of bad games, fans will want him sacked and it will affect morale of the team - not good for a club wanting promotion

And then there is the player factor - playing for a manager that potentially wants to leave - will they give 100% for him, will players renew contracts thinking the manager could be off and not knowing who they will be playing for

[Batch]

I'd rather he was gone now tbh.

Its a shame, but he's kind of backed himself into his own corner (with the help of the journo)

[Peter Venkman]

I'd rather he was gone now tbh.

Its a shame, but he's kind of backed himself into his own corner (with the help of the journo)

This.

[Jilted John]

BS if I was a creditor and was owed ‘millions’ o would not wait a full year to make myself known.

Scaremongering lies

Why would Zavier try to scare fans?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

So he doesn’t get beaten up on his doorstep again?

[Ardiles]

That is the catch 22 surely, do we keep him and fear that if he gets off to a good start another club will offer him a job and he will be off leaving us looking for a new manager and hope a new manager  can work with existing players or do we decide to keep Garner and and hope he decides to stay and not walk at first opportunity.

Also, with it out there, fans will have less patience with him the first sign of a couple of bad games, fans will want him sacked and it will affect morale of the team - not good for a club wanting promotion

And then there is the player factor - playing for a manager that potentially wants to leave - will they give 100% for him, will players renew contracts thinking the manager could be off and not knowing who they will be playing for

The problem I have with this argument is that any aspiring young manager/coach with career ambitions and a mortgage to pay will want some career progression when it's offered.  Talk of 'loyalty' makes very little sense in that context.  Why should Ben Garner put loyalty to his employer above all these other considerations?

His line of work is brutal.  A string of bad results, and he's gone.  The loyalty argument doesn't sit right with me at all.  The rest of us would reasonably expect to be able to take our talents to a new employer if that employer was offering an improved package and better career prospects.  So why not BG?  Sure, it's disappointing as fan to see a manager who had a decent first season move on.  But that's football, and that's Swindon.  We should be used to this by now.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey]

Not many are fussed if he goes. It’s being left dangling on a string that has pissed people off.

[Quagmire]

Not many are fussed if he goes. It’s being left dangling on a string that has pissed people off.

That’s not Garners fault though.